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Ivan:
[0:00]
| Hello? No, wait.
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Sam:
[0:02]
| Mary, hold on. Waiting for streaming software to go live. Here we go. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a picture.
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Ivan:
[0:15]
| A picture. Well, as long as it's a picture. We don't need the right picture. We just need a picture.
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Sam:
[0:21]
| That's right. Who cares about those details? Okay, did that right. okay okay thanks for being flexible yvonne shall we go yeah go okay here we go make sure this is live Blub-bloop.
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[0:43]
| Blub-bloop.
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Sam:
[1:03]
| Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Tuesday, April 22nd, 2025. It is just after 2 UTC. I'm Sam Minter. Yvonne Bo is here. Our agenda is going to be like the normal agenda, I guess. We are doing this a little bit early, so I don't know about a normal agenda.
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Ivan:
[1:24]
| I mean, we'll probably do a shortened agenda. that we are bored, you know, because.
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Sam:
[1:30]
| It hasn't been that long since.
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Ivan:
[1:31]
| Exactly. Right.
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Sam:
[1:33]
| Well, you know, there are things and happened and I got stuff. I don't know. Okay. So I, I know I owe an explanation. We usually record these days, like over the course of this podcast, which we started in 2007, long time ago, but we have, we have recorded on different days. When we first started this thing, we used to record on Sundays. And then there was a period of time where we recorded on, well, we shifted all over the place. For a while, it was like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and it could be any of the above. More recently, it's usually been Friday or Saturday with sometimes Thursday. And I'm talking U.S. time right now, shifted all like, you know. But anyway, but I've made sure there's been one episode per week, no matter what. So we are doing it early this week because I will be indisposed later in the week, as they say. And so I'll give the reason why. I'm going to have some surgery. I'm going to have some surgery.
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Ivan:
[2:42]
| Yay! Isn't that exciting? So what is it? Finally, we're doing the lobotomy?
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Sam:
[2:49]
| Yes. I don't need any of that brain anymore. It's served its purpose. It's done.
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Ivan:
[2:55]
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You know, what the hell?
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Sam:
[2:58]
| No, so...
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Ivan:
[2:59]
| So it's not the lobotomy.
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Sam:
[3:00]
| It's not the lobotomy. And I'm actually getting too...
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Ivan:
[3:04]
| And it's not... You're not getting some kind of enlargement surgery that we know of.
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Sam:
[3:09]
| Well, you know. I could, but no, no, um, no, no, no, I'm actually getting two surgeries. It's very exciting. Both of them are outpatient. So in theory, I will only be there for a few hours for each of these. I have one going on on Thursday, one going on on Friday, but they basically said like, you're probably still going to feel awful for a while after the surgeries. So I didn't want to try to like have surgery in the daytime and do the podcast in the evening or even worry about editing the podcast afterwards i wanted to take care of it so my my disclosure is it it's a basal cell carcinoma on my nose so that apparently yeah there'd been a place on my nose that like would occasionally like like bleed and i was like oh whatever it's like a zit or whatever it's a pimple that got you know whatever but it kept coming back like in the same spot like not all the time like every few months it would pop up and eventually i'm like i every couple of months because i have.
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Ivan:
[4:24]
| I had a every couple of months it would start bleeding again.
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Sam:
[4:27]
| Yeah because.
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Ivan:
[4:28]
| I i have a spot that it's actually i've had to check that i i my family suffers from like little veins that pop.
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Sam:
[4:35]
| Right i.
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Ivan:
[4:36]
| Have a i had a spot where that's been the case i had one like it was around in my nose that my my sister-in-law being a doctor and i want to be surgeon.
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Sam:
[4:47]
| I have to say during dinner pulled out the.
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Ivan:
[4:52]
| Scapel and just cut it off.
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Sam:
[4:55]
| At like i'll take care of that for you yeah basically Luckily.
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Ivan:
[4:58]
| She was like, ah, it's just a vein. I'll take it out right here. Boom.
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Sam:
[5:03]
| Did she at least sterilize it?
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Ivan:
[5:06]
| No. Well, yeah. Well, I mean, the stuff was sterile. Yes. But then when she did, it started bleeding like a lot. Okay. Now she did have something to stop the bleeding, but she didn't have it handy because she didn't expect it to start bleeding that much at that moment.
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Sam:
[5:24]
| Yeah.
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Ivan:
[5:25]
| So then she had to apply something there to stop the bleeding. But yeah, I got it. I had this kind of stuff done at dinner.
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Sam:
[5:32]
| Yeah. Well, very nice. I am not having it done at dinner. No. So anyway, the thing.
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Ivan:
[5:37]
| If Brandy came out with a scaffolder heading towards you, you'd be like, oh, shit. Wait, what? No. Yeah, that would be. Yeah, that would be. Yeah.
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Sam:
[5:44]
| Yeah. So anyway, like every few months this would come back. And by eventually, I mean nearly three years, I brought this up to my general practitioner, or my regular family doctor on a routine visit, and she takes a look at it, and is like, yeah, let's send you to the dermatologist. And so a few weeks later, I go to the dermatologist, and they take a, what you call, a sample, you know, and went off and tested it, and yep, basal cell carcinoma. So for those of you who don't know, because I wouldn't have known this off the top of my head before, that is a skin cancer. It's the most common form of skin cancer, but it's known to it grows very very very slowly and right and it's incredibly rare that it migrates and spreads to other parts of the body but you.
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Ivan:
[6:36]
| Want it you need to take care of it.
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Sam:
[6:38]
| But you need to take care of it like and it you know it very very rarely turns serious either like you people very rarely die of this you know but yeah you want to take care of it anyway like because you don't want to press your luck and be one of the fraction of a percent where it does spread and become more serious or anything like that. So anyway, what they're doing is what's called Mohs surgery, which is extremely fun sounding.
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Sam:
[7:07]
| A friend of ours, Ivana and I's, had this done as well. She sent me pictures. It was very exciting. Apparently my stepmother also had this done at one point. It's a fairly common thing, but basically the way I envision it, it does not actually work this way. But I imagine them going in with, you know, an ice cream scoop or a melon baller and just like scooping out stuff. But the basic idea of it is that they do a little bit at a time. They do. They take out a little bit, then they go test it and see, did they get everything? And if they did, then you're done. If they didn't, they go back in and take more and repeat until you're done. And so, so anyway, that's the procedure I've got going on on Thursday. On Friday, I have to go back in because they expect that the hole they're going to make in my nose is big enough that it's going to need plastic surgery to repair.
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Sam:
[8:08]
| So and apparently exactly what procedure they'll do will depend on exactly how big the hole ends up being but what they told me they're kind of expecting is a procedure where they basically take you know a flap of skin from my forehead and like bend it down and shove it in and fill up the hole with it so that's my fun the the the thursday procedure is i'm going to be awake for, but the Friday one is going to be my very first experience with general anesthesia. So that'll be fun, I guess. Is fun the right word, Yvonne?
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Ivan:
[8:43]
| Oh, it's exciting. It's tingling.
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Sam:
[8:45]
| Have you done general?
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Ivan:
[8:47]
| No.
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Sam:
[8:48]
| No.
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Ivan:
[8:49]
| Well, okay. Well, for, well, yes, for a colonoscopy.
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Sam:
[8:54]
| Now, I had a colonoscopy, but I, and I remember them making me loopy, but not completely.
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Ivan:
[9:03]
| No, no, no. No, the way that they've done the colonoscopy, I've been completely out. I mean, I basically had to start done, and all of a sudden I wake up in a recovery room and I have no recollection of anything.
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Sam:
[9:12]
| See, because when I had the colonoscopy, I remember being awake enough to ask them to please turn the screen so I could see too.
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Ivan:
[9:20]
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What the hell place you're, what the hell kind of fucking like place you're going to? No, I went to a place where I was completely, completely out.
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Sam:
[9:30]
| No, I was like, I want to see, I want to see. And they were like describing what I was looking at while they were shoving the thing in me, you know? So, yeah. Cause you know, they had it up on a big screen and I could see and do it. You know, now I was completely like. high. And I imagine for part of it, I might not have been fully aware, but I was aware for enough of it. So it definitely wasn't fully general anesthesia.
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Ivan:
[9:59]
| I was completely out.
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Sam:
[10:04]
| Yeah. And my son Alex has had general a couple of times for the dentist because he wouldn't cooperate with them otherwise when he was younger. So, you know, so I know, I know this is a completely routine procedure, but still I'm like, I'm going to spend two days going through procedures. And they told me basically expect to like be uncomfortable and have bandages all over your face for a week. So I'm actually taking not only Thursday and Friday this week, but all of next week off from work. And on the one hand, I'm like, Ooh, a week off, I can do all kinds of stuff. I can get stuff done. But on the other hand, I'm like, you know, basically they've told me do as little as possible for that week. You know, you don't, you, you, you want, you're not going to be feeling great. It's going to be uncomfortable. You don't want to do active things that are like, I don't know, rip out stitches or whatever, you know, just, just do as little as possible. But I figure I can sit at my desk and do stuff probably, or, and, you know, or maybe I'll just be watching TV the whole time i don't know but you know anyway so that's why we're doing this early we're you know usually the latest we were ever usually like i said utc wise it's usually thursday or friday no no utc wise it's usually friday or saturday very occasionally thursday this time we're recording on monday evening uh u.s time tuesday utc so way early for us but you know whatever That's my excuse. I have an excuse. Damn it.
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Ivan:
[11:33]
| Yes, you do have an excuse. So anyway, now that we've eaten the excuse to death.
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Sam:
[11:37]
| But first, and then we'll, we'll see how the other rest goes. Maybe it'll all be a, but first, maybe I'll just do a whole bunch of movies.
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Ivan:
[11:45]
| If we could do that, I guess.
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Sam:
[11:47]
| Yeah. We do have a couple real things, but do you have any?
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Ivan:
[11:54]
| No, we'll skip the but first today. Okay. This is on this short show. We'll skip the but first.
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Sam:
[11:59]
| Okay. So what's your first real topic then? I guess I did my first topic.
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Ivan:
[12:05]
| Well, the first real topic is quite simple. Mr. President that doesn't shut up today, tank the markets again.
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Sam:
[12:12]
| Again. Again.
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Ivan:
[12:13]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[12:13]
| I was kind of busy at work, but I didn't notice that that was happening.
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Ivan:
[12:19]
| He is insisting on Jerome Powell lowering rates, and he keeps telling people he wants to fire Powell, which the markets are basically—there's already a brewing—I'm not going to say it's at a crisis of confidence level yet, but certainly he has shaken confidence in the— Wasn't it already shaken? No, he has, he has already shaken, but shaken it further.
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Sam:
[12:48]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[12:49]
| Okay. The confidence in, in, in, in, in, in our monetary system, the economic system. Um, yeah. And so it's just, you won't shut the fuck up.
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Sam:
[13:06]
| And I, it's very clear that it's going so well so far.
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Ivan:
[13:11]
| A number of reports would indicate otherwise, Sam, that right now, in terms of 100 days for a president, in the modern history, this is about as bad in terms of approval, in terms of markets, in terms of everything that it's ever gone for any president ever. And yet we wonder why he bankrupted casinos.
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Sam:
[13:41]
| I've heard that's hard to do.
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Ivan:
[13:43]
| It is. It's very hard. I mean, some casinos, and the thing is, bankrupt casinos, not where, you know, there were certain casino companies that borrowed too much money and they had trouble servicing the debt. But the casinos themselves were making money. Okay. So it was just, they just, you know, borrowed too much money of too high an interest rate. And so that caused them to be unable to pay the debt service. But the casino itself, the operation was solid. You understand what I'm saying? In his case, he did that where he borrowed the money bad and the casino was run like shit. So that's how he managed to do that achievement. It's very, very, very, how do I say? He's very innovative in that way. And so he's doing the same here. You know, I mean, it's just a bunch of idiot incompetence. He's basically dictating policy. It seems like Scott Bessent, it's one of the few that are non-lunatics around him.
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Sam:
[14:52]
| You know what that means, though, Yvonne?
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Ivan:
[14:54]
| Yeah, what?
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Sam:
[14:55]
| He's going to be fired any day now. Yes, any day now.
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Ivan:
[14:58]
| I don't know.
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Sam:
[14:59]
| Because he keeps telling him to, like, calm down, not do crazy things.
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Ivan:
[15:03]
| Well, he's been doing stuff not in that way, as far as I've heard. The one thing that he did the last time, I guess, I think he did call on some people to appear on Fox Business News. which by the way we found that's how you talk to him right and talk about how bad shit is and then what he did is that apparently he showed him some kind of simple charts on the problems with the bond market and I guess he could understand those he said hey you're trying to drive down interest rates look at this they're selling them off it's going the wrong way, every time you yammer about this. So that kind of helped for a little bit, but it hasn't held. He keeps yammering away. That way, another interesting thing, you know, that they had to negotiate 90 trade deals in like 90 days.
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Sam:
[16:02]
| Yes, yes, yes.
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Ivan:
[16:03]
| How many do you think he's done?
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Sam:
[16:06]
| None.
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Ivan:
[16:07]
| You would be correct.
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Sam:
[16:09]
| Well, they're all going to come on day 89.
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Ivan:
[16:11]
| Ah, that's what it is.
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Sam:
[16:13]
| They're going simultaneously.
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Ivan:
[16:15]
| Ah that's what i.
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Sam:
[16:17]
| Well you know here here's the thing i i presume a few of these will actually get negotiated i mean it doesn't actually have to do 90 there's like four or five that really matter right and as we've talked about before it could just be like we change one comma in whatever agreements already existed and he can declare victory and you're done you know it doesn't have to be a substantive well i mean.
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Ivan:
[16:41]
| He's going to here's a problem there's 90 of these here's the other thing okay look some people are just right now refusing to play ball.
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Sam:
[16:51]
| Well and and like they're just so they're like.
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Ivan:
[16:56]
| They're they're just like fuck you we're not gonna play ball.
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Sam:
[16:59]
| Well right because there's no even if you did there's no trust that anything you do would matter like You mentioned, well, last week you talked about, in a different context, the renegotiation of NAFTA, right?
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Ivan:
[17:16]
| Right.
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Sam:
[17:17]
| Well, and it changed some really minor things and Trump declared— Very minor. But here's the thing. Trump got into office— Now he's refudiating. Yeah. Trump got back into office and he ripped it to shreds. So what good was that agreement?
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Ivan:
[17:30]
| Right. What good was Canada and Mexico going and negotiating with him when just a short amount of time later he would just, you know. Just renege on everything. Yeah.
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Sam:
[17:40]
| Yeah. I mean, he's doing that left. Like most of what he's doing with tariffs is violating one previous agreement or another. And, you know, someone pointed out.
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Ivan:
[17:51]
| Like 20 of those countries around that number had free trade agreements with the United States already.
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Sam:
[17:57]
| And someone pointed out, like, it's not just like a standard bit of international affairs that everyone has typically assumed in the past. is that if a country signs a treaty or signs an agreement, even if it's not an official treaty, then subsequent governments of that country are still bound by that agreement. And so, you know, you have governments come and go, but the new government respects the previous agreements. And hell, that even happened when, like, big changes, like the Soviet Union becomes Russia plus all the independent states, right? Like, even then, those obligations were carried forward. Donald Trump has shown that he not only doesn't care about agreements signed by other presidents, he doesn't care about the agreements he signed himself.
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Sam:
[18:57]
| I mean, and in that scenario, how can you possibly trust anything? And what point is there in doing the negotiation other than to end up effectively genuflecting to Donald Trump? And maybe in the short term, he'll let you off the hook. Like, I mean, we had we had a couple rounds of this at the beginning with Canada, Mexico and Colombia, where basically he's like tariffs. And then they're like, hey, why don't we do this that we were going to do anyway? But why don't we do this? And he's like, OK, delay in the tariffs, you know, but there's only how many cycles of that is anybody going to be willing to go through?
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Ivan:
[19:39]
| Well, yeah, and it's just that right now, I think the Chinese, for example, are just fed up. They've decided that they're not. He went, he said, yeah, they're done. They said, oh, bring us a proposal. And he's like, and they're like, why? Why? You know, listen, you're the one that started the trade war. Where are your demands? What are you asking for? I mean, that's reasonable. Because this thing of asking about, that he's asking for, like, to balance the trade. It's just nuts, okay? It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, how do we do it? You know, you want us to balance the trade? How? What the hell are we wanting from you that we could use for an extra couple of hundred billion dollars in terms of merchandise? Because, again, he's not, they're not looking at services. They're not looking at anything else. And, like, everybody has made as an example, It's like the whole thing, like going to a grocery store and getting pissed off at them. Hey, I have a trade imbalance with you. You need to buy back from me like, you know, you know, $12,000 a year of stuff.
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Sam:
[20:57]
| You know, like it seems like, you know, and I know the impact on some countries will be significant. But it seems like in almost all these cases, given how irrational and how inconsistent Donald Trump is, the only real response is like, dude, do whatever you're going to do. We're just going to ignore you. Like, whatever happens, happens. And but, you know, we're not going to respond. I mean, some of them are retaliating, but I feel like just doing nothing and ignoring it and saying, okay, you're hurting yourself with the tariffs. Yeah, we get some collateral damage on our side. We'll figure out how to deal with it is probably the smartest. Now, there are a few countries, like China specifically, if they really wanted to get aggressive here, like I mentioned on the Commissions Corner Slack, and this is really extreme, and there are all kinds of reasons why they wouldn't do this. But China could theoretically say, you know what, you don't want our goods. We're just going to stop. Complete outright ban on exports to the United States for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, whatever.
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Ivan:
[22:09]
| They could do that. I mean, you know, well, listen, they've done already –, One of the things that they did was, you know, they're they're not allowing Boeing to deliver airplanes to to Chinese airlines like right now.
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Sam:
[22:25]
| Yeah, no, no, definitely that. But what I'm saying is like, you know.
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Ivan:
[22:30]
| No, but that's that's an aggressive move is what I'm saying. Yeah, no, that's aggressive.
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Sam:
[22:34]
| What I'm saying is like the move I suggested. No, I know.
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Ivan:
[22:37]
| Which is to suspend everything that we don't they don't ship anything to us.
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Sam:
[22:41]
| What I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is in that scenario, it would basically be like, you don't want our stuff, feel the pain of not having our stuff because you have no idea how much of what your people consume on a daily basis is from here. And, and like, see how long it takes until you scream uncle.
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Ivan:
[23:02]
| Right, right, right, right, right. I mean, they could do that, but that also would be quite economically painful. Oh, it would hurt them too.
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Sam:
[23:09]
| Absolutely. It would be brutal. But China has shown, through what their response to the pandemic was, they're willing to accept some pain.
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Ivan:
[23:18]
| Listen, they're already accepting pain, like, right now. Look, there is a lot of canceled orders, increased costs, shit like that that is already happening with these tariffs in place, like, right now. And they're accepting that pain, like, right now. And they're accepting the pain because they figure, and rightly so, that they can withstand more pain than we can. Because it's less tenable politically over here. You know, she doesn't have to run for an election. Nobody over there has to run really for an election. They're not worried about the next election. The Republicans have to worry about midterms pretty soon. and special elections and some other stuff. And they already have an amount of pain inflicting on people that is already hurting a lot of their constituents, that it's already showing up in the approval ratings for the president. I mean, for the first time ever, finally, it took this to beat this into people's heads. The Democrats right now finally have an edge on handling the economy in recent surveys. It took...
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Ivan:
[24:39]
| Biden losing, well, the Democrats losing because Biden wasn't running, and for Trump to once again display his lack of any skills at doing this, for people to, I mean, realize, geez, these Republicans are really shitty at this, aren't they? I mean, they've done it to us over and over, over and over, Sam, my lifetime.
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Sam:
[25:04]
| Yes, yes.
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Ivan:
[25:05]
| I mean, I don't get it. How the hell they skate with this shit? Oh, yeah, they're better on the economy. Look, back in the 80s, we had the SNL crisis. Okay? That fucking SNL crisis was due to basically Republican-led deregulation of these damn savings and loans, which basically, they just were out there totally unregulated, And it's just fucking like loaning money left and right. And, you know, we had half a half a trillion dollars of bad loans out there and we had to pick up the mess and it caused a big recession. And, you know, and so that that was that was the first time that W came along more to regulation, fucked us again with, you know, the 2008 crash, which was the biggest part of it was also deregulation of the financial sector.
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Ivan:
[26:02]
| That they nailed us with lack of oversight and the financial sector just took crazy risk again and fucked us over again, okay? Second time, okay? And then, you know, look, Trump, what has he done? I mean, the first time, he kind of like coasted through and like did some tax breaks, but the reality is, and look, he grossly mismanaged the pandemic, okay? Yep. That's just a fact, okay? The pandemic was way worse and people have been at each other's throats and angrier because of him. Yep. Period. End of discussion. Biden comes in, the economy, he did a lot of actions that actually did a lot of the things that he purportedly said he was going to do. Infrastructure week, Sam. Remember how many infrastructure weeks we had under the first Trump? He didn't pass a single fucking infrastructure bill. The wall.
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Sam:
[26:52]
| Wall.
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Ivan:
[26:53]
| Oh, yeah, we got about three or four miles of wall. And then Biden passed an infrastructure bill, and then this motherfucker comes back, and he starts like basically trying to undermine it, even though it's the shit that he wanted done in the first place. Yeah.
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Sam:
[27:07]
| I mean, this guy is just...
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Ivan:
[27:09]
| Oh, and bringing back manufacturing, also undermining that one. Because, I mean, Biden knew that you can't just force them to bring the factories back. So, hey, let's... Big incentives. Hey, let's target certain industries. Let's go and let's, you know, let's, you know, electric cars. Yeah, that's important. It's not just like.
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Sam:
[27:31]
| Let's bring back sock manufacturers. Sneaker manufacturers.
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Ivan:
[27:34]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[27:35]
| Right. You know, like the survey showed. It's let's do clean energy stuff. But of course.
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Ivan:
[27:41]
| Let's do the future. Because, you know, the past, you know. Hey, we're not. No, no.
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Sam:
[27:46]
| Yvonne, clean coal is the future. Ah, the clean coal.
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Ivan:
[27:50]
| Yes, I forgot. Or what does he call it?
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Sam:
[27:52]
| Beautiful clean coal? Beautiful clean coal.
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Ivan:
[27:54]
| Something like that. Yes. Yes. The beautiful clean coal. What the fuck, man? So he goes and he spent the whole fucking weekend trying to badger Powell to lower rates. Yep. Pete on our Slack mentioned probably quite accurately that, and I'm pretty sure he is right on this, that part of the reason why Carter inherited such a bad financial situation was because Nixon did the same thing in the early 70s, with the oil shock and shit because inflation was going through the roof and the economy was in the crapper. And then he like had wanted the Fed to lower interest rates. Problem is, as I've said here repeatedly, is it's very inflationary. And so, you know, Carter wound up with this inflation that was like raging because of all this shit that Nixon had put in place between the oil embargo and that kind of stuff. the policies that he did that weren't helping that situation, and he wound up in a very difficult situation. So, this shit is likely to do the same kind of crap. It's not a great outcome, Sam.
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Sam:
[29:13]
| Now, let's mention for a second, like, according to the laws that exist, Donald Trump cannot actually remove the Fed chair.
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Ivan:
[29:23]
| That's Correct, yes. But look, that being illegal hasn't stopped him from trying.
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Sam:
[29:31]
| Now, if I understand correctly, he could theoretically remove him for cause, and that's the loophole because he can make up a cause. and then the question is like, well, what's the, you know, who adjudicates whether the cause is good enough, Go to the courts. It'll have to go to courts. It'll have to go up to SCOTUS and then SCOTUS will have to decide, like, can the president decide on his own authority? Sam, have you.
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Ivan:
[30:01]
| Noticed something that's happened the last couple of weeks with SCOTUS?
|
Sam:
[30:04]
| They have been going against Trump more often, but not just that.
|
Ivan:
[30:09]
| It's not just good to going against Trump. It, It's the speed.
|
Sam:
[30:14]
| Yes, they have been asking relatively quickly.
|
Ivan:
[30:17]
| Now, they sent out like a fucking like ruling the other day at one in the, you know, in the middle of the fucking night. Okay.
|
Sam:
[30:24]
| Because they were looking to stop some additional deportation flights that were about to happen. Right.
|
Ivan:
[30:31]
| Yeah. All of a sudden, you know, these fucking assholes that enabled this whole fucking scenario.
|
Sam:
[30:39]
| These same assholes who decided to take nine months to issue a ruling on presidential immunity and all this. Right.
|
Ivan:
[30:46]
| And then issue one that basically is just, you know, preposterous. Let's be clear about this. And basically enabled this guy to think he could act with impunity. Now all of a sudden are like, oh, shit. You know, and worse. I mean, they declared, for example, that he could legally run for president.
|
Sam:
[31:07]
| Alito did put in a dissent saying that the rest of the court was being hasty. Rushed and hasty.
|
Ivan:
[31:15]
| Here's the interesting thing. The only two guys that put in those objections was Alito and fucking Thomas. Not even his appointees were on board with his shit. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[31:27]
| I mean, I think we're still barreling towards what I mean. I predicted last week that Trump would not make it an explicit confrontation with the court and try to basically say he's following what they say while still not actually following what they say. But we'll see. I think we've got several more issues that are going to adapt to SCOTUS. I think this is escalating. But here's the.
|
Ivan:
[31:56]
| Thing that's happening right now. One of the things that he was counting on was SCOTUS... Rubber stamping what he did. Or no, taking their time. Right. Because the one thing that he's always... It's delay, delay, delay. Well, all of a sudden, SCOTUS has been, oh, fuck these delays. No, we're sending out something, like, quicker. Which kind of short circuits a big part of his MO, okay? By moving that quickly. Right. But, you know, again, these are the assholes that went and ruled that for some reason, the fucking constitutional amendment, which basically said that he should not have been allowed to run for fucking president. OK, that it was. Oh, no, just Congress is the one that decides. I'm like, you know, fuck, that's not what it said. It's any of that.
|
Sam:
[32:47]
| Well, you. Yeah, we don't have to rehash that one. But but they could have.
|
Ivan:
[32:53]
| They have.
|
Sam:
[32:53]
| Congress should have passed legislation a century or more ago on how to go about that. And actually, there was some legislation in the aftermath of the Civil War, but it expired. It had an expiration date on it in terms of defining what the procedures were to determine who was affected.
|
Ivan:
[33:13]
| Yeah, but hell, I didn't realize that that legislation existed. If it had that already in place, why the fuck did they act like it was just Congress? Like, I mean, it's just...
|
Sam:
[33:24]
| Well, Congress did that legislation. I mean, basically, in the wake of the Civil War, Congress passed actual legislation that defined how to... No, no, no.
|
Ivan:
[33:34]
| But how was the process? I mean, do you recall? I don't remember what the process was.
|
Sam:
[33:39]
| There was a process that expired, like, X number of decades after the Civil War, because they put an end date on it.
|
Ivan:
[33:48]
| Well, they enabled the monster. Yes.
|
Sam:
[33:50]
| And so now.
|
Ivan:
[33:51]
| They've got to figure out how to deal with it. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[33:54]
| And... I think we still have a situation where it is situational, like how many of the justices will be on which side. But we've had a sequence of cases over the last couple of weeks where the court has clearly had the majority for, yeah, no, this is not okay.
|
Ivan:
[34:17]
| And the only two guys that are just on the hard line on some occasions. Because even in one case, they went 9-0. they were like totally unanimous but in the ones that the only guys that are peeling off are alito and thomas right.
|
Sam:
[34:33]
| So we shall see things up and down in the courts any any market predictions for the rest of the week, it depends what.
|
Ivan:
[34:45]
| The futures were up a little bit today i don't know you know we see how asha is doing right now and we go and like put it on i mean i don't know i did turn off but i i mean i don't know it's just look it's it's we're not going back to highs anytime soon i'll tell you that right now you think it'll be a while it'll just gonna be a while except in gold, gold keeps soaring i it's just i mean i i it's just it's just ridiculous the amount of the percentage that gold is up right now since, I mean, I, I, I, since I bought gold in early February right now, up 16 percent okay.
|
Sam:
[35:35]
| It's not even three.
|
Ivan:
[35:37]
| Months nice okay it's just it's just it's just crazy that gold is up that much in such a brief period of time okay.
|
Sam:
[35:46]
| Let let's take a break and then we can do at least two more things we'll see about more than that but so this break i mentioned last week that the next break was supposed to be a wiki of the day break oh wait i was gonna give the Asia market.
|
Ivan:
[36:01]
| Something kind of flat. Asia's maybe a little bit down, kind of flat. Nothing to write home about right now. Okay. And the futures for tomorrow, they were showing up last time I checked, slightly up for the U.S. Buy, buy, buy.
|
Sam:
[36:20]
| Right?
|
Ivan:
[36:20]
| Buy the dip?
|
Sam:
[36:21]
| Is it time to buy the dip yet?
|
Ivan:
[36:23]
| No, it's not time to buy the dip. Try to tell people it's not even close to buying to fucking dip maybe look if trump has a heart attack tomorrow then it's time to buy what what.
|
Sam:
[36:34]
| If what if you've just stuck to and maintained dollar cost averaging over this whole period just keep at it well listen.
|
Ivan:
[36:41]
| I i i one thing i would say is like during this time i i think that if you've got a program like buying like say your ira for example like your 401k, depositing, you should continue buying because these are at low prices. What I'm saying is that if you sold a significant position like a few months, like the gold I sold, but.
|
Sam:
[37:03]
| I am not.
|
Ivan:
[37:04]
| Moving right now from gold into something. I expect at some point to do a pivot on that, but it's not right now. Right.
|
Sam:
[37:15]
| Okay.
|
Ivan:
[37:16]
| It's not, and I don't expect it to be in the next couple of months either.
|
Sam:
[37:20]
| Okay. So anyway, I was saying last week I was supposed to use a Wiki of the Day break, but I didn't have time. I didn't prepare it. So this week, as I was going to prepare the Wiki of the Day break, my son Alex came and had a specific request. Like I normally just pick randomly one of the three current Wiki of the Days whenever I include one here. But Alex did not want that. Alex had a specific episode from last year that he wanted me to include. So we went and found that episode from last year. It was from last June. And I will use that as the break. It's not the special curmudgeon's corner version of Wiki of the Day. It's the actual full episode, but here we go. A special Alex selection for a wiki of the day that is especially meaningful to him and that we hope will be meaningful to you too.
|
Break:
[38:23]
| Featured wiki of the day, your daily dose of knowledge from Wikipedia's finest articles. The featured article for Wednesday, June 26, 2024 is torture. Torture is the deliberate infliction of severe pain or suffering on a person for various reasons, including punishment, extracting a confession, interrogation for information, or intimidating third parties. Some definitions are restricted to acts carried out by the state, but others include non-state organizations. Most victims of torture are poor and marginalized people suspected of crimes, although torture against political prisoners or during armed conflict has received disproportionate attention. Judicial corporal punishment and capital punishment are sometimes seen as forms of torture, but this label is internationally controversial. A variety of methods of torture are used, often in combination. The most common form of physical torture is beatings. Since the 20th century, many torturers have preferred non-scarring or psychological methods to provide deniability. Torturers more commonly act out of fear or due to limited resources than sadism. Although most torturers are thought to learn about torture techniques informally and rarely receive an explicit order, they are enabled by organizations that facilitate and encourage their behavior. Once a torture program is begun, it usually escalates beyond what is intended initially and often leads to involved agencies losing effectiveness.
|
Break:
[39:48]
| Aims to break the victim's will and destroy their agency and personality and is cited as one of the most damaging experiences that a person can undergo. Many victims suffer both physical damage, chronic pain is particularly common, and mental sequelae. Although torture survivors have among the highest rates of post-traumatic stress disorder, many are psychologically resilient. Torture has been carried out since ancient times. Still, in the 18th and 19th centuries, many Western countries abolished the official use of torture in the judicial system, although torture continued to be used throughout the world. Public opinion research has shown general opposition to torture. Torture is prohibited under international law for all states under all circumstances and is explicitly forbidden by several treaties.
|
Break:
[40:34]
| Opposition to torture stimulated the formation of the human rights movement after World War II, and torture continues to be an important human rights issue. Although prevention efforts have been of mixed effectiveness, institutional reforms and elimination of incommunicado detention have had positive effects. Although its incidence has declined, torture is still practiced in most countries. This recording reflects the Wikipedia text as of 2.05 UTC on Wednesday, June 26, 2024. For the full current version of the article, search Wikipedia for torture. This podcast uses content from wikipedia under the creative commons attribution share like license visit our archives at wiki of the day.com and subscribe to stay updated on new episodes follow us on mastodon at wiki of the day at masto.ai also check out curmudgeon's corner a current events podcast until next time i'm neural joanna well.
|
Sam:
[41:29]
| There we go wow was it was it as touching for you as it is for alex, warm and fuzzies inside from no.
|
Ivan:
[41:41]
| Not exactly. No. From a, from a fucking like, you know, academic, you know, discussion on torture. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[41:51]
| Okay. Um, I guess it's my turn. Yes.
|
Ivan:
[41:56]
| I guess I added some things. So to remind you certain things. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[42:00]
| As we were.
|
Ivan:
[42:01]
| Yes.
|
Sam:
[42:02]
| I saw you adding things, but you know, Well, I'm going to do my movie.
|
Ivan:
[42:08]
| Okay, go through your goal. All right, goal movie. All right, what do we got? My movie.
|
Sam:
[42:13]
| Twilight Zone. No, not yet. Well, Twilight Zone's a TV show if you're looking on. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a TV show.
|
Ivan:
[42:20]
| Not a movie, not a movie. But no, Adiparash.
|
Sam:
[42:25]
| Adiparash.
|
Ivan:
[42:25]
| I don't even know what the fuck this is.
|
Sam:
[42:28]
| So it's because it's an Indian movie. in Hindi or Tagaloo, Telugu, sorry.
|
Ivan:
[42:39]
| I'm looking at, before you continue, I looked it up. Okay, yes. Wow, this is interesting. It has a 2.7 out of 10 on IMDB. And it has a 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. Yes. holy shit that's that's that's not good I mean a 2.7 on IMDB is has to be one of the worst.
|
Sam:
[43:09]
| Movies on IMDB.
|
Ivan:
[43:11]
| It has to be so.
|
Sam:
[43:14]
| Let me tell you so first of all this is the first one we've watched that's like an Indian language movie I don't I think we watched the Hindi version with English subtitles, but it's look my my experience while watching it was just oh my god this is so bizarre okay and part of this was like i was like is this just what bollywood is like i haven't watched a real bollywood movie before and this is this wasn't really like the song and dance kind although there was a little bit of that okay so by the way i just looked it up yeah it is ranked.
|
Ivan:
[43:55]
| As the not the worst one.
|
Sam:
[44:00]
| On imdb.
|
Ivan:
[44:00]
| But it is 30th 30th okay.
|
Sam:
[44:03]
| Yes it is it.
|
Ivan:
[44:05]
| Is it's a bit that basically mean there's only 29 movies that are worse that nip on imdb yes.
|
Sam:
[44:10]
| So this was so just to read the the wikipedia summary real quick. The name translates to The First Man. It's a 2023 Indian mythological action film inspired by the Hindu epic Ramayana. It's, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was heavily panned by critics and audience alike who critiqued the screenplay, dialogues, and visuals. It emerged as a block of a novel. Everything, basically.
|
Ivan:
[44:41]
| There's nothing good about it. Not the writing, not the acting, and not any of the special effects, not the filming, nothing.
|
Sam:
[44:48]
| So here's the thing, though. When I was watching it, I was just sort of stunned by, like... How bad it was? Well, the thing is, it was so stylized as well. And I honestly wasn't sure, is it supposed to be this way? Like, is it over the top and bad on purpose? And like, you know, I did some... It is almost, almost at the point where it's bad enough to be entertaining by how bad it is.
|
Ivan:
[45:22]
| But you said almost, but barely almost, but not there.
|
Sam:
[45:27]
| You know well you know like there's that other one uh what was the other bad one you sent me to that we've talked about on the show before that that you watched the one with the bounty hunter guy trying to rescue the the the woman who'd been kidnapped it was really low budget really bad low blow low blow yes that yeah yeah low blow yeah yeah low blow walked out listen.
|
Ivan:
[45:55]
| We walked out of the theater on low blow low.
|
Sam:
[45:57]
| Blow was bad in a way that was just bad there yeah that was i mean there was.
|
Ivan:
[46:02]
| No you know you it was just bad you couldn't there was.
|
Sam:
[46:06]
| No redeeming qualities you couldn't even laugh at how bad it was no this on the other bad this on the other hand i will say like i the whole time it did have my attention because was like, what the fuck is going on now? Like there were just crazy things happening. There were just weird special effects. Like apparently one of the criticisms this got when it was released was apparently there was a trailer that went out where the special effects were really horrible. And so they improved the special effects before they released the movie, but it was still really bad. And, you know, but they're just sort of, the whole thing was surreal. It was surrealistic and like, and it just, I'm actually going to give it a thumbs sideways, not a thumbs down, you know? Wow. Because while I could not by any stretch of the imagination say this was good, the whole damn time I was intrigued.
|
Sam:
[47:12]
| I was like, what the hell is going on? What is happening? Why is this happening? Now, some of it I'm sure is because like, I'm not familiar with the Hindu epic that this was based on. If I was, maybe I'd have more context, but I had none of that going into this. So it was just all just weird and bizarre. And it had the surrealistic style and the bad CGI and, you know, people.
|
Sam:
[47:44]
| It's hard to even describe the damn thing all super saturated colors yeah, like i'm not i it was 179 minutes long i can tell you right now i would not want to watch all 179 minutes oh jesus 179 minutes holy shit fucking three.
|
Ivan:
[48:08]
| Hour movie yes.
|
Sam:
[48:11]
| And you know but i will say it's worth watching at least a few minutes of like if you can find where this is streaming and watch a few minutes of it and just get a flavor. Maybe skip around, fast forward, rewind, pick random spots in the middle. Like the plot is incoherent enough to an outsider who doesn't know this that I don't think it matters where in the movie you start. You just pick a random spot and watch five to 10 minutes and you'll get the idea. And, you know, again, my, my fundamental reaction is, was being stunned, being like, what the hell, what the hell am I watching? I don't get it, but it's somehow still drawing me in to like.
|
Sam:
[49:03]
| It, not quite a train wreck kind of way. more like you know and i i honestly haven't done this so i'm talking via anecdote but like some kind of psychedelic trip you know it's just like weird and bizarre and colorful and you know so, i don't have any real psychedelic trips to compare it to in my history but it's what i imagined that would be like so there you go thumb sideways for adipurish adipurish i don't know the right way to pronounce it i'm sorry no better a di you are ush and you're giving it a thumb sideways and and i'm pretty sure i watched the hindi version but apparently it was released both in hindi and telugu from the beginning but it didn't matter i don't know either one of those languages i mean and so i watched that's what i was gonna.
|
Ivan:
[49:58]
| Say i'm like what the hell like what makes a fucking difference but i'm like i'm assuming obviously it's subtitled yes.
|
Sam:
[50:05]
| I watched the English. Not dubbed.
|
Ivan:
[50:07]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[50:07]
| We watched it with English subtitles. Yeah. I try to be like, I try to avoid dubbing like for almost everything. Like I will go it. I will search out the subtitled version. Like we aren't at this yet, but I, there was a Godzilla movie that we watched later from this where the first place I found it streaming was dubbed. And I actually went and bought a DVD of the movie so that I could get a subtitled version instead of a dubbed version.
|
Ivan:
[50:38]
| When I was in Puerto Rico, when I was growing up.
|
Ivan:
[50:41]
| In the theaters, or actually, I haven't been to a movie in the theater in Puerto Rico, but I'm assuming this is still the case. They're always subtitled in Spanish. Okay? Puerto Rico, they did not play dubbed versions. Thank God. Okay? They always had just subtitled versions of all the movies. Okay? But on TV, local TV, everything was dubbed. Okay? All the TV programs, everything was dubbed. And at first growing up, I mean, i was like whatever i didn't know anything else but when i first started except movies on tv.
|
Ivan:
[51:15]
| At movies at the theater right um then when i started to be able to get some of these versions like a whole a lot of it like in english because i knew english okay so it became like really really irritating where i was just like i don't want anything else dubbed ever again please if i can avoid it i just cannot i i really the ones that i will say that actually were not that bad well actually don't let's change that the cart there were actually good the cartoons i will say that i don't know if they did something with with it additionally in order to make it that it wasn't dubbed but watching the flintstones in spanish you know what listen it's i mean they got some guy that did a good friend flintstone in spanish okay all right and you know you don't have it so it worked out it it was actually pretty good okay the flintstones in spanish they were funny okay.
|
Ivan:
[52:13]
| Whereas almost every other tv program that was dubbed was just i mean it was just annoying i i mean.
|
Sam:
[52:21]
| Like the thing is with live action you definitely have the the misalignment between what you're seeing on the screen and the talking and that does go away in the cartoon because like.
|
Ivan:
[52:29]
| It's a.
|
Sam:
[52:30]
| Voice actor anyway. Yes, it's a voice actor anyway. The lips don't match exactly anyway. You know? But, you know, even there, I feel like, I don't have a current show like this, but there are shows on my list that if I ever start them, are cartoons where the original language is not English. I would still seek out the original language, you know, just to be more authentic.
|
Ivan:
[52:59]
| Oh, for most of them, you're right. It just happened to be that the Flintstones in Spanish turned out to be pretty damn good. You know, whoever they got to play the characters in Spanish actually worked out very well. And the names they picked in the translations were also hilarious. OK, because they didn't call it wasn't Fred Flintstone in Spanish. It was Pedro Pica Piedra. OK, and that name was actually pretty damn good. You know, Barney Rubble was Pablo Marmol, for example. And all those names are names that you talk in Spanish. it's one of those things where that one, whoever did it, really took the time no, no, no, we gotta make this right so this works, okay? And they really did, you know, whoever they picked for the voiceovers and whatever they had a very similar like... they knew how to play the character okay as well so they did a good job but on most many of them they reuse the same voice actors for a whole bunch of fucking tvs tv programs so it's really annoying because it's like you're watching say the six million dollar man and then you're watching magma but i'm like what the fuck's the same goddamn voice on both different programs this is really annoying although.
|
Sam:
[54:12]
| I gather in some cases now for cartoons because they're building for an international audience to begin with, it's getting harder to determine what is the original language because right off the bat, they're animating it once with the intention of we're going to hire casts for 15 languages.
|
Ivan:
[54:29]
| I'll tell you one thing that was like that. Okay, for example, my son watched when he was little was Pocoyo, which is from Spain originally. And they had an English version of Pocoyo as well. They actually had two different English versions. I remember one for British English, for American English.
|
Sam:
[54:45]
| I've watched all three versions of Folkio.
|
Ivan:
[54:48]
| And so the thing is that that one was one that really, you know, it's very obvious that they planned it for all three languages. But I will say I definitely liked it. It's a lot better in Spanish. That one, I cannot argue that one. To me, it was a little bit annoying. I'm like, oh, fuck. God, we recorded an English episode.
|
Sam:
[55:10]
| The thing is, even if they know from the beginning they're going to have voice acting casts for like 20 languages. They're writing the episode first in one language. That's the one I want to find because that's the one that's going to be most natural and closer to the intent. But if I don't know the language, I'm still going off the captions and there's still liberties taken with captions. One of the things, if nothing else, you have to translate the idioms to something that makes sense for the language you're in, because you'd be like, what? Because idioms don't translate literally, usually. But also, I've noticed even... We always watch TV with the captions on. And so one of the things that Alex and I regularly do is notice when the captions don't match what the person said. And it's all the fucking time. Even in English captions for an English show. They're mismatches all the time. Most commonly, it's like shortened phrases, like where they simplify the sentence to get it on the screen. But sometimes it's just completely different. And it's like...
|
Ivan:
[56:27]
| I'll tell you the one that was like hilarious beyond that was, I always loved when they translated movie titles for posters. Where it's just that some of the movie titles played, but some it was just like, what it's called in Spanish. What? We were like, just, we just, we just, you know, laughing. I'm like, what the, I mean, the, the, the names that they picked made just no sense. Like whatsoever. You were just like, oh, okay, sure. You know, well, I don't know. So anyway, okay.
|
Sam:
[57:03]
| All right. Well, pick a topic.
|
Ivan:
[57:05]
| My turn, pick a topic. So is Hackset going to be out?
|
Sam:
[57:09]
| You know, when that, When that first signal thing happened, my prediction was that there would be heads that rolled. But it wasn't his. No, no. But no, my prediction was, but there'd be a delay. Okay. You know, it would not be immediate. There'd be a long enough period of time such that you could do it without tying it directly back to the signal incident. Okay. But, and also I said, with this particular group of people, they will have done something else by then anyway. Right. And Haggith, how do you say his damn name? Haggith.
|
Ivan:
[57:51]
| Haggith.
|
Sam:
[57:52]
| Anyway, he has indeed done other things. The most recent thing was another signal conversation where apparently.
|
Ivan:
[58:01]
| With his brother and his wife on his personal phone. Right.
|
Sam:
[58:04]
| Talking about the same sort of classified Yemen stuff, apparently also just the actual internal dynamics of what's going on at the Pentagon, the place is in entirely in chaos because, you know, he does, he has no idea what he's doing and everybody is worried and concerned and they're contradictory things going on. And so, you know, apparently, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, things aren't going well at the Defense Department anyway. got this stuff going on and he did something else too didn't he didn't he do something else too i don't remember but and apparently trump's rapid response team a few hours ago like retweeted something a report from somewhere else talking about how haggis was on his way out and it's like oops like they so far like haven't like you know it's not official right there was an npr report saying that the administration has started to look for his replacement that's the most solid information we have right now yeah but that there is no official statement that says he's out he's still acting like he's there he said this is all bullshit there is one thing.
|
Ivan:
[59:25]
| Though there i I will.
|
Sam:
[59:26]
| Say this.
|
Ivan:
[59:27]
| You know, Trump did a very strong defense of him today. Okay. You know, in my experience, every time that one of these guys comes out in a strong defense of somebody, it really means, oh, this guy is toast. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[59:43]
| Usually the we're 100% behind him statement comes about five minutes before the knife and back. Correct.
|
Ivan:
[59:50]
| Yes. Yeah. Is this some kind of a record for a, for a, for a. If he's gone, say, in the next couple of weeks, is this some kind of record for the shortest tenure of a secretary of the feds?
|
Sam:
[1:00:04]
| Ooh, good question. Let's see if we can find out anything about that.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:13]
| This has got to be some kind of record. Wikipedia.
|
Sam:
[1:00:16]
| Let's see. Like, okay. Okay, let's find out how far. So far, he's been 86 days. Uh-huh. Should we count? We're not counting acting.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:27]
| Not counting acting.
|
Sam:
[1:00:29]
| Because apparently the acting secretary of state immediately before Haggis was Robert G. Selesis, who served for five days. Okay.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:38]
| Okay. Okay.
|
Sam:
[1:00:39]
| But like ignore the acting. So he's at 86 days. Lloyd Austin was one day short of four years. Mark Esper was one year, 109. Let's look for anybody under a year. Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:53]
| Oh.
|
Sam:
[1:00:54]
| Elliot Richardson is in administration, 114 days. That's close. We're at 86.
|
Ivan:
[1:01:04]
| Why the hell did Elliot and Richard...
|
Sam:
[1:01:06]
| If we fire him right now... Break the record. I still haven't gone all the way back. Then we had Clark Clifford at 125 days. That's higher.
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Ivan:
[1:01:21]
| Shit, that's way higher.
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Sam:
[1:01:24]
| 356 days for George C. Marshall. And then that's it for Secretary of Defense. Now, Secretary of Defense replaced, like, that was only created in 1947. So, like, what was the predecessor for it? See?
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Ivan:
[1:01:45]
| Okay, so what happened was the reason why he wound up leaving SecDef is because it says, after only three months as Secretary of Defense, Richardson becomes Nixon's Attorney General, a move that would put him into Watergate's spotlight. So I guess that was like, I guess he had gotten rid of the previous Attorney General, so he wound up needing somebody, and he said, okay, you, yeah, you. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[1:02:10]
| Oh, it was the Secretary of War before it was the Secretary of Defense. Let's see if any of them are shorter. Oh, oh, the last Secretary of War, Kenneth Royal under Harry Truman, 61 days.
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Ivan:
[1:02:27]
| Whoa. So why was that?
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Sam:
[1:02:29]
| The hell?
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Ivan:
[1:02:30]
| What happened with this guy?
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Sam:
[1:02:32]
| Royal.
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Ivan:
[1:02:33]
| Okay, we got to look this up.
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Sam:
[1:02:36]
| Secretary of War.
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Ivan:
[1:02:38]
| Kenneth Clair, U.S. Army General, Truman administration. Okay. Oh, interesting. What happened here?
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Sam:
[1:02:46]
| I'll tell you why.
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Ivan:
[1:02:47]
| Royal was forced into retirement in April 1949 49 for continuing to refuse to desegregate the army.
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Sam:
[1:02:55]
| Okay. Good reason.
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Ivan:
[1:02:57]
| Good damn fucking reason.
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Sam:
[1:03:00]
| We also had Alfonso Taft under Ulysses S. Grant, who was only 81 days. Oh, and, um, well, but as secretary of defense.
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Ivan:
[1:03:12]
| If he went under the 111 days, he would be the shortcut secretary of defense ever. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[1:03:18]
| We also had, I'm just, I want to keep going back. We had Joseph Holt, secretary of war under James Buchanan for only 45 days. And which I believe was because the James Buchanan administration ended and Abraham Lincoln took over. But... And is that it? Is that it? Is that it? Is that it? That's it. Going back all the way to George Washington. Those are all the ones under a year. There you go.
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Ivan:
[1:03:48]
| So. So we're close to record breaking territory. If it happens soon.
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Sam:
[1:03:53]
| His days are numbered. I think the only question is when. Right. Like, I mean, Donald Trump. I mean, the guy's an idiot. The guy's an idiot. He's doing stupid things.
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Ivan:
[1:04:05]
| We knew he was an idiot before. Fucking said it still confirmed. them, even though they knew he was an idiot.
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Sam:
[1:04:11]
| And look, we're talking idiot by Donald Trump standards. Exactly.
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Ivan:
[1:04:16]
| We're talking idiot by Donald Trump standards. Yes.
|
Sam:
[1:04:18]
| And that's saying a lot. But yeah, I think the question is timing, though. Like Donald Trump doesn't like to fire people because he feels like he's being pressured to fire somebody. So if there's a lot of pressure to fire him, I think Donald Trump will just dig in his heels and keep him longer. where Donald Trump wants to do it quietly at a time where he can make it look like it's his own idea and it has nothing to do with whatever the scandal of the day is.
|
Ivan:
[1:04:47]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[1:04:47]
| So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Should we do it? Should we take a break and do two more or should we wrap it up, Yvonne?
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Ivan:
[1:04:57]
| I think we could do at least one more. Okay.
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Sam:
[1:05:00]
| Then let's take another break. Let's see, what break am I supposed to do? Number six, one, two, three, four, five, six, okay. Break number six, here we go. we are back. So I guess that makes it my turn. Um, and I will pick the Pope died.
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Ivan:
[1:06:08]
| The Pope died. So JD Vance killed him, right?
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Sam:
[1:06:11]
| That's what I hear. Yeah.
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Ivan:
[1:06:13]
| You know, the.
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Sam:
[1:06:14]
| Thing is at first I was like, cause there had been reports that the Pope had refused to meet with him and sent an underling instead who basically yelled at JD Vance about immigration and being nice to immigrants. But apparently that, that did happen, but But apparently the Pope did give him a brief audience afterwards. And so, yeah, J.D. Vance was one of the last few people with an audience with the Pope.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:40]
| Today, J.D. Vance actually posted this. I guess this is on Shitter. I cannot believe I even have to post this. The rumors running around that I killed the Pope are not true. Wait, wait, wait.
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Sam:
[1:06:51]
| I thought that was a fake J.D. Vance post. Is that a real J.D. Vance post? No, that was a real J.D.
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Ivan:
[1:06:57]
| Vance post.
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Sam:
[1:06:57]
| Did you actually confirm this? It really is?
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Ivan:
[1:07:00]
| Okay, hold on. I got it from somebody who wasn't an unreliable source. But... Because I saw.
|
Sam:
[1:07:09]
| That screenshot and immediately thought it was fake.
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Ivan:
[1:07:13]
| I don't even know. Hold on. Can I even look at this?
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Sam:
[1:07:17]
| Okay, I'm actually bringing up. I'm on the shitter.
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Ivan:
[1:07:21]
| I'm on his shitter.
|
Sam:
[1:07:22]
| Okay, you're on the real Twitter. Okay, then I won't log into my Twitter for the first time in forever. I'll let you do it.
|
Ivan:
[1:07:28]
| I'm in there, but not logged in.
|
Sam:
[1:07:30]
| I thought you couldn't see Twitter without logging in. I am seeing posts on.
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Ivan:
[1:07:34]
| I can delete it by account, but I can see. Okay, go ahead.
|
Sam:
[1:07:37]
| Okay, it doesn't.
|
Ivan:
[1:07:38]
| Okay, I don't see. Hold on. Okay, it was fake. i don't i don't see it but you see i'm not looking at replies right now i can't it doesn't let me look it wasn't a reply the one i.
|
Sam:
[1:07:49]
| Saw was it last.
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Ivan:
[1:07:51]
| Edited at 9 45 a.m let's see 9 45 a.m problem is that these are not in chrono let's see 18 hours oh yeah i don't see it it may be fake oh well it was oh come on would.
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Sam:
[1:08:06]
| Have been better.
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Ivan:
[1:08:06]
| If it was real anyway so.
|
Sam:
[1:08:08]
| Anyway like you know to He was old. He'd been in health. He'd had health issues for months and months and months. It appears that the final.
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Ivan:
[1:08:19]
| A stroke and a heart attack. A stroke, yeah. Look, I. Well, I was raised Catholic, okay? But I haven't really practiced in like. A long time.
|
Sam:
[1:08:30]
| Forever.
|
Ivan:
[1:08:31]
| Even though I will say, look, I went to church like three times in the last two weeks. For funerals.
|
Sam:
[1:08:36]
| For funerals.
|
Ivan:
[1:08:38]
| I mean one of them honestly like he said I think I mentioned this earlier I mean look a lot of us may not practice Catholicism anymore but even like in that case it was just like well it's the only thing we knew how to do what the fuck else did we do you know after he died so you know we did a mass you know, I got nothing we got nothing else I mean we were all there We hadn't been in church like forever None of us, The one thing is that even though I might have Pope Francis is one of the popes that I agreed with on more things than any in my life. There were a couple of things where I, him and I that I did not agree, but I will say that on 90 plus percent of the shit that he was trying to do, he was right.
|
Sam:
[1:09:33]
| Compared to other Catholic popes, he was quite liberal.
|
Ivan:
[1:09:37]
| Well, I mean, compared to some recent popes, You got to remember Vatican second council going back that made a whole bunch of the changes to the current church, including like not giving mass in Latin for God's sakes, because nobody knows fucking Latin. Okay. And shit like that happened. You know, we need to bring back Latin. You know, sure.
|
Sam:
[1:10:01]
| You know, I'll go take some classes. We can start doing the show in Latin.
|
Ivan:
[1:10:05]
| Yeah, I'm sure that'll everybody will love that. but you know those changes like that where there are a whole bunch of changes that that that happened and so that was a very revolutionary, event period yes and then period and then then we had a number of more conservative popes along the way including benedict who it was so bad that he wound up basically resigning you know because it got so bad well and pro france for health reasons, he's still fucking alive.
|
Sam:
[1:10:34]
| Well is he i thought he finally yes.
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Ivan:
[1:10:36]
| He's still alive he's still alive yeah okay let's.
|
Sam:
[1:10:43]
| See i'm just double checking you oh no he died.
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Ivan:
[1:10:47]
| Okay sorry he died two years ago okay no at 95 yes okay okay so he did die a couple of years ago but he was alive a hell of a long fucking time after he quit yes he was.
|
Sam:
[1:10:59]
| I mean so.
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Ivan:
[1:11:00]
| You know almost 10 years but but i thought.
|
Sam:
[1:11:03]
| The reason he resigned was because he felt like he was no longer up to the job.
|
Ivan:
[1:11:06]
| There was a lot of pressure. I mean, his health wasn't great, but there was a lot of pressure around him to fucking resign, especially because of a lot of the scandals related to child abuse and a whole bunch of things that he had done around that and related to that. Yeah, he was just, yeah. ton of pressure. So, but Pope Francis was a guy who was, he was a man of compassion to everybody. And even those he didn't agree with on, on things. Okay. Unlike others. And so, you know, I, I, I, you know, I saw him do many acts with people that were so kind over time and say so many things that were kind and and help a lot of people because the catholic church because of a lot of things that it did over time man it created a lot of shame and hurt and things in a lot of people over decades which is why i don't practice it regularly but you know he he did make a lot of changes in that in the church he was even you know i know he got pushback on that but even including like, he wanted to, like, be able to, like, bless gay unions, for example. Right.
|
Sam:
[1:12:26]
| You know, and.
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Ivan:
[1:12:27]
| When you hear that and you've been a Catholic and you're gay and, you know, you're, if you're in that and you hear that, man, the message that you're sending to people who feel that they can't leave their religion, but then all of a sudden this guy is saying, hey, you're not, you know, you're not this person that so many others in the religion, like, would despise. That's such a that brings so much to to people, you know, it just it's it's it's it really helps people that have been indoctrinated in this told so many bad things about themselves. And then all of a sudden a man in the leadership goes and says, no, you're not less. No, you're not whatever you really, you know, we value you. I saw today a video where there was a child that in Italy that was in an event that the Pope was, and the child's father had recently passed away. And the child's father had been an atheist. Okay. And he had been, he's a very small kid. He must've been like six, seven or eight. And his father had actually, even though he was an atheist, he had baptized. He had four kids and he had baptized them all.
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Ivan:
[1:13:43]
| And the kid was at this event with the Pope and the kid was, was sad, you know, his father recently died and he had a question and he asked somebody because he didn't want to say it in public. And then the Pope said, no, no, no, look. And he has my son's name. Well, well, not exactly. Emmanuel, no, not one. Come talk to me. Come talk to me. So he talked to him in secret and he, and he, you know, talk to him. He, he, he comforted him and he sent him back and he asked him if, Hey, I could tell everybody what you said. And he said, you know, me with a question. My dad was an atheist. Is he going to be in heaven?
|
Ivan:
[1:14:17]
| You know, and, and he gave him a very comforting answer, you know, to him that, yes, that, you know, like, you know, you said he was a good man, a good man. God is not going to push away a good man, you know, but, saying those kinds of things to these kids that have been taught this, when you're hearing it from the pope the the the comfort level that descends on these people that that really truly believe that this is the ultimate word it's it's it's it's big and that's the thing that he did more than everybody else he really took the time to say things to comfort people instead of shaming people and instead of like making people feel bad about themselves and so yeah it's sad that he's he passed away because he really did that a lot i saw that there's another video i didn't realize I said a few years ago, he invited a whole bunch of very famous comedians around the world, including Jimmy Fallon and some others and whatever, basically to thank them for something important. He said that you guys all make people laugh. And it's so important for the joy of the world to have people like you that come and like make them laugh. And I wanted to show my appreciation to, to all of you in making it and making the world a happier place. That was really cool. I got to admit. So yeah. So a couple.
|
Sam:
[1:15:31]
| A couple of things there. One, I I'd made a joke. both on the curmudgeon's corner slack well did i do it on the slack i did it on mastodon and blue sky but well now i know what the popular wiki of the day is going to be because it's always like a big person right right right but.
|
Ivan:
[1:15:48]
| I was wrong.
|
Sam:
[1:15:49]
| Just a few seconds ago while you were talking the new popular wiki of the day came out well it was it was pope benedict the well it was the pope it's just the wrong pope well and here's why because for wiki of the day i have a rule that You can't be the popular wiki of the day twice in a hundred day span. And Pope Francis, he was the popular wiki of the day back in February when he was hospitalized. He was hospitalized.
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Ivan:
[1:16:15]
| It's too soon.
|
Sam:
[1:16:16]
| So he didn't qualify. And so it dropped down. The number of views yesterday, yesterday for UTC, the number one page views on Wikipedia was Pope Francis with 2.9 million page views. number two was Wrestlemania 41 with, with 980,000 views. But that also had been a previous popular wiki of the day, like yesterday or something, or the day before, I forget. And so number three was Pope Benedict the 16th.
|
Ivan:
[1:16:51]
| Oh, fucking WrestleMania, for God's sakes. I was just listening to people talk about this. I don't, you know, I will say that when I was little, I think like my brothers watched this kind of like wrestling stuff on TV. and i i i think i watched it for a little bit but then i don't know sometime in my early teens i was like what is this bullshit this is this this is horseshit what the fuck is this this this is ridiculous but i i was just seeing a whole bunch of adults today talking about oh my god wrestle mania gotta be there gotta go i'm like thinking the fuck is wrong with all of you it's just this This thing is just complete bullshit. It's stupid. It's ridiculous.
|
Sam:
[1:17:39]
| I mean, it's just.
|
Ivan:
[1:17:40]
| I, the people really love this shit. Yeah, I know.
|
Sam:
[1:17:43]
| So back to Pope stuff for a second. The one other thing to talk about on the Pope is the, I've only lived through a couple of these, but the selection of the new Pope is fascinating. Oh yeah. There's sort of ancient procedures.
|
Ivan:
[1:17:58]
| I recently watched that their movie conclave. Oh, of recently, okay? I gotta tell you, thumbs up.
|
Sam:
[1:18:07]
| You know, your last segment should be Conclave.
|
Ivan:
[1:18:12]
| Thumbs up on Conclave, by the way, okay? It was really, that movie was really good. The movie was really good. I wasn't, I don't know what to expect. I can't remember why I wound up watching it. I think my mom won. Oh, because my mom was like, hey, I want to watch this movie a few months back. And I was at home with her, and I'm like, Okay, let's watch it. What the hell? And I sat there watching it. I'm like, shit, this thing's good. So, yeah, Conclave is quite good. I mean, I've watched a couple of these over the years. Very indiscriminately.
|
Sam:
[1:18:45]
| Process i mean i.
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Ivan:
[1:18:47]
| I mean most.
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Sam:
[1:18:49]
| Of it's a secret of course but you get the like they're all, you know when i was doors and you wait for the white smoke and all this and there's a lot of you know there's a lot of speculation in terms of like okay did francis appoint enough cardinals so that whoever is the next pope will like be a pope kind of like francis or not quite like we had from pope john paul ii to pope benedict we sort of went backwards a bit you know so what's going to happen this time we don't know like apparently apparently francis did appoint quite a few cardinals but is it well well one.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:30]
| Thing i i and did he put them with.
|
Sam:
[1:19:32]
| That in mind i don't know The processes.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:34]
| Of the inner workings of the Catholic church are to be still something that is just, it's still out of another century.
|
Sam:
[1:19:47]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:47]
| I mean, not even this, I mean, not even like. Not even a recent century.
|
Sam:
[1:19:51]
| Not even a recent century.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:54]
| You know, I remember actually having spoken to a couple of people in the Catholic Church that had worked at the Vatican for a while. And it's just always their stories about that. We're always kind of, we're always fascinating about how things happened at the Vatican. You know, it happened, I remember that it happened to be that the guy who was the principal of our high school wound up being somebody that, he wound up being a representative of the Vatican for his religious order for a couple of years. Somebody else I met, I think it was a priest, was at the Vatican, yeah, and that it came back. And so it's, it isn't just that it's, the process of, you know the catholic church is a massive organization that really owns a ton of shit across the world it's it's crazy it's a business it's a there's a bank there's it's it's it's it's just it's nuts how complex it is it is really nuts okay well i mean if you look at.
|
Sam:
[1:21:11]
| There are many ways to look at this. This is only one of them. But in some senses, the current Catholic Church is actually the successor to the Roman Empire. Basically. It's what's left of the Western Roman Empire. Now, there are a whole bunch of different ways you can interpret the history of the fall of Rome and both Eastern and Western, but that's one way you could do it. And yeah. so so yeah it's.
|
Ivan:
[1:21:41]
| Always so so i don't know it'll be interesting to see and i and i i really i hope that because there are one of the things i was reading today and where jd vance sits because he's a fucking catholic some i mean now he converted what six years ago but but there is there is a group especially in the u.s that has very aligned themselves with the more hardened conservative types. The conservative Catholics, for sure. But I really believe that on a global basis, that group is definitely in the minority based on what I've observed of who, you know, you mentioned how many cardinals Pope Francis appointed. I mean, from what I've observed, he has moved the church definitely towards a more liberal side substantially. That's for sure. Even though in may have entrenched some groups like that so well and what's interesting too.
|
Sam:
[1:22:38]
| Is you know once upon a time like long ago at this point like the catholic church was predominantly european now europe is a small portion of the global catholic universe sure and the whole sort of where they are theologically in terms of more liberal or more conservative or whatever varies a lot country to country as you go across the world. And where exactly that balance is, is unclear. And also, you know, one of the things with Francis was he was the first non-European in like centuries, right? As Pope, because he was from Argentina, remember, right? Yeah. Yeah, he was. But the question is, is there going to be another non-European? I mean, remember, for a while, it was not only European, it was only Italians. Yeah. Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[1:23:43]
| It was only Italians.
|
Sam:
[1:23:44]
| And then we got Pope John Paul II from Poland. And then we have Francis from Argentina. Well, even Benedict was German, right? Yeah, Benedict was German. So we had a series of, you know, non... I mean, I have to.
|
Ivan:
[1:23:59]
| Believe that it's going to be a non-European again. Because, I mean, this was... I mean, Pope Francis was the first non-European. He was very popular and he was in there for 13 years. So I have to believe that it will be another non-European. I think because the church in Europe has been on a... Catholic Church has been on a massive decline in Europe. So it's just, you know, like you mentioned, I mean, it's such a, so much more global, I mean, that in terms of, well, it's not, I don't know if it's that it's expanded as much in the rest of the world as it has decreased that much in Europe. That's basically what it is. Right.
|
Sam:
[1:24:40]
| So let me ask you a couple of trivia questions here. Okay. Trivia. So on the official list of popes, which just to be clear, starts with a few saints in ancient history, what number was Francis without looking it up? What number pope?
|
Ivan:
[1:25:00]
| Yes. All right. Let me take a stab here. And just to be clear.
|
Sam:
[1:25:06]
| This list starts with St. Peter. Yeah. Pope number one in the year 30 AD. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:15]
| See how close you can get.
|
Sam:
[1:25:17]
| You know, I see.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:20]
| I'm going to say around 200. 266.
|
Sam:
[1:25:26]
| Oh, not bad. I wasn't that far off.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:28]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[1:25:29]
| The 200th Pope, let me just look that up real quick. 200th Pope was Urban V in the 1300s. Wow. 1362 to 1370 was when he was Pope and he was French. I was guessing around 60.
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Ivan:
[1:25:51]
| Popes every hundred years. So it wasn't that far off. Okay. 60, you mean.
|
Sam:
[1:25:56]
| 60 every thousand. I mean, every thousand. Yeah.
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Ivan:
[1:25:59]
| Right. Exactly. Somewhere around there. But, but I, I, but I guess that it, uh, at the beginning, there probably had to be more because lifespans were shorter.
|
Sam:
[1:26:10]
| Probably and and there was lots of violence there were a lot of yeah there were a lot of popes I think who got murdered I could be wrong about that you know just yeah anyway, Okay, was Conclave your topic, or do you have one last thing you want to talk about? No, I think we need to wrap up.
|
Ivan:
[1:26:33]
| Sam. It's one more subject. I think we need to wrap up. We are done.
|
Sam:
[1:26:37]
| Thank you, everybody, for joining us. You know the deal. curmudgeons-corner.com for our archives and all the ways to contact us, transcripts, everything you could possibly want, including a link to our Patreon. on if you want to give us money at various levels we will do various things that are exciting and new just like the love boat and at two dollars a month or more or if you just ask us we will invite you to a curmudgeon's corner slack where yvonne and i and a bunch of listeners are chatting and having fun throughout the week sharing links to news talking about things whatever so yvonne how about one highlight from the slack well before i get to that i went i checked something for example in the.
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Ivan:
[1:27:20]
| Third century there were.
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Sam:
[1:27:21]
| 30 popes.
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Ivan:
[1:27:22]
| Okay okay in the 20th.
|
Sam:
[1:27:24]
| Century there.
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Ivan:
[1:27:24]
| Were 10 so yes at the beginning they were we were going through a lot.
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Sam:
[1:27:28]
| More popes, you know yeah um okay yes so yeah uh let's.
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Ivan:
[1:27:37]
| See all right we have what do we got here what do we got here we've got a lot of stuff hey sam did we just find aliens no we.
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Sam:
[1:27:48]
| Did not so there There was a story that was making all the popular rounds of the best evidence yet for life on another planet. It basically claimed to detect chemicals in the atmosphere of a planet about 120 light years away, if I remember correctly, that on Earth is only known to come from life, particularly certain kinds of sea life actually created it. and if you look at the popular news stories, they're all very breathless about this, et cetera. I waited a couple days. I did share it with the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack as soon as I saw it, but I waited a couple days for sort of science creators I trust to give their take on it, and there are basically lots and lots and lots of ifs. I mean, even the first story said this requires confirmation, But first of all, even with all the assumptions, Even with all the assumptions they make, there's only like, there's a 99% chance it really is this chemical, but they make a lot of assumptions. They make assumptions about what kind of planet this is that it does not really full agreement that it's actually that kind of planet in terms of like the general composition of the planet, you know, water versus hydrogen atmosphere versus whatever. But the thing is, I guess that it's probably not.
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Ivan:
[1:29:16]
| We can't rule it out though yet.
|
Sam:
[1:29:17]
| We can't necessarily rule it out, but like the, for this to actually be life, you have, there, there's several layers of unlikely things that still have to happen. Like, right. And so part of it is like, they're, first of all, there's these whole bunch of assumptions. Even if those assumptions are true, then there's a chance that it's not really this chemical, you know, it could be something else. they could have misidentified the chemical. And even if, you know, and even to have the, they had to make a whole bunch of assumptions to even think it was the chemical in the first place. So if any of those assumptions are wrong, then it's definitely not the chemical. But even if those assumptions are right, there's a chance they're wrong about it being the chemical. But, and then even if it is the chemical, just because we don't have evidence of that chemical being uncreated on Earth without life doesn't mean it can't happen somewhere else.
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Ivan:
[1:30:20]
| Doesn't mean it can't happen.
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Sam:
[1:30:20]
| And in fact, we have found this chemical on comets. We have found this chemical on interstellar clouds. So we know it can be created without life. Well, or maybe it landed.
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Ivan:
[1:30:32]
| There because of life and then the life wasn't there. Because the comets are maybe thousands and thousands of years old.
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Sam:
[1:30:38]
| So anyway, this is a tantalizing, piece of new evidence, but it's nowhere close to being actually, okay, yeah, this is life. Okay.
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Ivan:
[1:30:51]
| Another sad news that I need to communicate that was on our Mudge's Corner Slack. I know everybody will be disappointed by this, but Fyre Festival 2 has been postponed. Sorry, guys. you know. I was going. I was going to go.
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Sam:
[1:31:09]
| Yeah. It was.
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Ivan:
[1:31:11]
| Oh, well. Yeah. It's canceled. It's, well, it says it's postponed. Postponed. Right.
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Sam:
[1:31:20]
| Postponed. Yeah. Postponed until we actually do find the aliens. Right. So we can invite them. Yes.
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Ivan:
[1:31:27]
| I'm sure the aliens will be so thrilled with the Fyre Festival. J.D. Vance can go.
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Sam:
[1:31:33]
| Yeah. J.D.
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Ivan:
[1:31:34]
| Vance can be the host. also shared on their.
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Sam:
[1:31:37]
| Curmudgeons corner slack was somebody's meme about the Dalai Lama now changed his plans to not meet with JD. Not meet with JD.
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Ivan:
[1:31:46]
| Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is the prudent move. Yes. Okay.
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Sam:
[1:31:53]
| We are done. We are out. If I were to Dalai Lama and I had agreed to a meeting with.
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Ivan:
[1:31:57]
| With JD Vance, I don't, that I would be, Hey, how about we cancel this fucking thing? Okay.
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Sam:
[1:32:04]
| There you go. I would be.
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Ivan:
[1:32:07]
| Yeah. Okay. We're done.
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Sam:
[1:32:09]
| Thank you, everybody, for listening. We'll be back next week at our normal time of week, I imagine. So thank you, everybody, for joining us. Have a great week. Stay safe. Have fun. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Bye. Okay, Yvonne, good night. All right, well, let's.
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Ivan:
[1:33:01]
| Get this thing uploaded.
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