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Ivan:
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| Can you hear me? Hello?
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Sam:
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| You can't hear me?
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Ivan:
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| I can hear you.
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Sam:
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| Excellent.
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Ivan:
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| Very well.
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Sam:
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| That's beautiful. That's amazing.
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Ivan:
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| I don't know about that. Let's not go crazy here.
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Sam:
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| You know, we were talking last week about our inevitable Grammys. So, you know.
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Ivan:
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| Ha ha ha! Uh yeah well.
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Sam:
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| Okay shall we just go yeah.
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Ivan:
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| Well i uh i i captain.
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Sam:
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| I i i i our nose nose your ear, okay i'm i'm i'm hitting the button, Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, February 22nd, 2025. It's just after 1930 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter, Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne!
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Ivan:
[1:29]
| Hello!
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Sam:
[1:31]
| Very exciting. So, usual thing, we're going to do a butt first with some less newsy topics at the beginning. I got a TV show this time, and maybe a couple other things to mention, I don't know. And then, I don't know what Yvonne's got. And then after we have the non-newsy stuff, we'll have two segments of, like, and that'll be a show.
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Ivan:
[1:53]
| I hate the news. Yes. I fucking hate the news.
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Sam:
[1:57]
| Should we restructure everything and just talk about, like, I don't know, gardening or something? I know nothing about gardening.
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Ivan:
[2:05]
| I don't know much. You know, that's one thing I'm terrible at. I know that you need dirt, seeds.
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Sam:
[2:11]
| Well, you could do hydroperilizers.
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Ivan:
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| You might not need dirt. Well, you know, yeah. I mean, you know, I say that I don't know anything. And a couple of months ago, when I went to Epcot for decades, they have had this tour called Behind the Seeds. Behind the Seeds. So there is this area, I guess that's my butt first, now great, beautiful. There's this area that is at Epcot called The Land.
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Sam:
[2:39]
| And just shockingly, by the way, just absolutely shockingly, your butt first is Disney related.
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Ivan:
[2:46]
| Yeah, but that's because you brought up gardening, planting. shit. So look, Epcot used to be almost exclusively focused on education. Now there's a lot of it really tilts towards entertainment. But originally it was to learn about technology.
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Sam:
[3:07]
| It was like a permanent World's Fair was the original brief form.
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Ivan:
[3:10]
| Basically, yes. Yeah, learn about the countries, learn about the cultures, you know, all that kind of stuff. Okay. You do still do some of that, but that focus is, significantly less but one of the things that's remained there is this area in the land even though they've replaced they added like some stuff that's not educational but there's still a lot of educational stuff there and there is this one boat ride where you go through and they show you, farming techniques how they have evolved over time okay right you know modern farming techniques they show you how they use hydroponics they show you how they grow stuff without soil.
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Sam:
[3:51]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[3:52]
| You know, they have a research lab that they show you how they are testing different methods, how to, you know, do stuff without using any pesticides, for example, using natural, combatants, like certain bugs and certain things. And they keep always said, hey, if you want to know even more about it, there is this tour called the Behind the Seeds Tour. That takes you in depth and what we do, you know, to cultivate this stuff. So I had heard about this tour for, I will say, decades. Never signed up for it. You always have to sign up in advance. Right. You know, it gets booked up. And so if you don't sign up, if you get there, like that week, you'll, you won't get a spot.
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Sam:
[4:39]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[4:40]
| So sometime last year, my wife had been saying, Hey, I want to take that tour because she, she does love to plant, do stuff. She, she does have a green thumb. Okay. All right. I'm like you and me. Okay. So she, yeah, I'm pretty much, I'm not.
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Sam:
[4:58]
| There's a plant behind me in my office. There are two plants behind me in my office that actually are still alive despite my best efforts. Like, you know.
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Ivan:
[5:08]
| Are they plastic?
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Sam:
[5:09]
| No, they are not plastic. Okay. One of them is in bad shape right now. The other one is getting by. My wife got me very hardy plants because I will forget they exist. Alex helps remind me to occasionally water them. But, like, it's alive. And this one replaces another plant that had lasted for years and years and years, but I finally killed.
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Ivan:
[5:33]
| Well, look, I have accidentally, for example, at my mom's house, she would leave town and say, hey, water the plants. I accidentally watered plastic plants more than once.
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Sam:
[5:45]
| I thought you were going to say you forgot and killed them, but yeah.
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Ivan:
[5:48]
| No, no, I watered them, but I, you know, she had some real, very real looking plastic plants. And I watered the damn, my mom was like, hey, you watered the damn plastic plants. Well, they looked real.
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Sam:
[6:03]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[6:03]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[6:04]
| Back to the tour. Back to the tour.
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Ivan:
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| So she said, hey, I'm going to sign us up for the tour. A few months back then, we were planning this trip to go during the end of the year. We were going like around New Year's. We were going to go between Christmas and, you know, during New Year's around those days. Then, unfortunately, my wife, she booked us, got us all three tickets to go.
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Sam:
[6:30]
| And then she got sick, if I remember.
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Ivan:
[6:32]
| Well, she ruptured her Achilles tendon.
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Sam:
[6:34]
| So she couldn't go. That wasn't sick.
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Ivan:
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| So she was the one that, well, yes, so she's the one that was really cool about going. But she wound up not being able to go on the trip. So I wound up, I did go, Manu and I did go on and take the tour. And, you know, they showed us all, you know, how it was one, you know, there are many interesting things that they showed us. There was one area where you went in where they showed where they basically like harvested these bugs. That these bugs were natural enemies of some other bug that came in and would regularly attack their, you know, their plants.
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Sam:
[7:18]
| Okay.
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Ivan:
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| And so instead of pesticides, they managed to somehow harvest these bugs that they could go and then let, you know, and that otherwise were not, you know, harmful in any other way. And they would go in and they would let them out in there and they would naturally take care of these other bugs that were spoiling the stuff that they were growing. So that was like interesting. They also showed you what I said about dirt. Look, they had this entire system where they showed basically, hey, you don't really need dirt at all. We could feed the water and the nutrients in like minute doses. You know we we control the air we control the light everything you know we could in here we could grow whatever the hell we need and the way that we do it consumes like so so much fewer resources than traditional farming in any way so yeah so they they did walk us through that the entire tour showed us their fish. They have fish farms too. They showed us those. But yeah, so I did learn something. I'm not an expert in any way, shape or form.
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Sam:
[8:38]
| But enough so that we could pivot the whole show to that topic, right?
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Ivan:
[8:42]
| Yes, we'll do two hours of hydroponic planting methods. You know what the other thing is? My wife during the pandemic, this was like a very popular thing. At best buy they were selling the this this little little kit where you bought these pods and it had lighting and it automatically like fed it water whatever for you to grow like, indoor like vegetables but you could grow lettuce tomatoes this kind of stuff okay right okay and she got this kit and she was using it for a while and as a matter of fact she was eating the lettuce, I kind of like refuse to eat that lettuce I must admit it looked fine I think I may Have eaten it once or twice.
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Sam:
[9:26]
| We've got an apple Tree in the front yard.
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Ivan:
[9:29]
| Every year it.
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Sam:
[9:31]
| Produces Apples my mother Comes over and has Taken some of the apples and eaten them And said they're absolutely fine apples I am scared of the apples I'm.
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Ivan:
[9:42]
| Like why.
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Sam:
[9:43]
| I'm like apples are supposed to come from the grocery Store not some fucking plant in my yard.
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Ivan:
[9:48]
| Oh i have picked apples and i have i have helped make fresh apple pies using those apples at some point while i was at summer camp many many decades i'm sure these.
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Sam:
[10:06]
| Apples are fine i have no idea what variety of apple they are because obviously like.
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Ivan:
[10:10]
| There's a huge variety i mean i wouldn't be worried about an apple i mean i was just you know these green leaves growing indoors i was just like what the hell man i'm like i don't know they looked kind of weird at.
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Sam:
[10:21]
| The end of the tour did they offer you the opportunity to eat stuff they grew.
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Ivan:
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| Well here is the thing they did use that produce at the number of restaurants in the that produce was used at the restaurants at the at epcot now okay the reality is that because it's not that small it's not enough to really like supply the whole place it's really more meant like a little like sample but it did They did produce several tons of produce, regardless, every year, they said. So it wasn't an insignificant amount, but it's not enough for a place that big, okay? But it definitely was a significant amount of food that they produced. So anyway.
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Sam:
[11:03]
| So anyway, gardening.
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Ivan:
[11:04]
| That's all I know.
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Sam:
[11:06]
| Amazing.
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Ivan:
[11:08]
| And that's all I, I don't know.
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Sam:
[11:10]
| Maybe next time that tree produces apples, I'll get brave and try one.
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Ivan:
[11:13]
| I tried once an experiment. Like, you know, did you have to do, I mean, you have like a science fair at your school?
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Sam:
[11:22]
| I think at various points, yes.
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Ivan:
[11:25]
| I was not very into the science fair thing. I must admit. There were other people that were very, very like, and then, you know, could go to a national science fair and compete with them.
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Sam:
[11:35]
| I was definitely, like, I was into science, but I definitely was never into the science fair thing. Like, the only times I ever would have done something like that were when I was forced, and I don't really remember. On the science fair topic, though, since you brought it up, I will still bring my favorite, I think I probably told this story on the show before, but it was my favorite, like, thing that's science fair related. Yeah. When my daughter was young, I think it was like sixth grade or something. It's like when we, it's the, the year we lived in Florida, they had some science fair thing. And I forget the one she was doing. She was doing something like on like, I don't know, actually it was the year before Florida. No, I don't know. Right around that timeframe, whatever. I think she was doing something on like how blankets work or something. I forget. But, like, the thing was, we went to— How blankets work? Yes. Well, because there's a common misconception— Well.
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Ivan:
[12:33]
| I guess that there is, you know, okay? Yeah.
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Sam:
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| There's a common misconception that blankets work because the blanket itself is warm.
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Ivan:
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| Oh, people think that? No, it husbands your own— Right.
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Sam:
[12:47]
| Right.
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Ivan:
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| It husbands your own heat.
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Sam:
[12:49]
| Yes, yes. There are people who, like, feel like the way a blanket— What the hell?
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Ivan:
[12:53]
| The blanket is hot? What? It's got batteries in it? What the hell is wrong with you?
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Sam:
[12:59]
| Well, there are electric blankets, but that's a whole different thing.
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Ivan:
[13:01]
| Well, there are those. Yes, those do exist. Yeah, but if your blanket is not plugged into anything, the fucking blanket ain't making heat.
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Sam:
[13:08]
| Well, the key was also like you can actually use blankets to keep things cold, too.
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Ivan:
[13:14]
| Correct. Yes, that's true. Because it will hold in, whether it's heat or cold. Right. But the thing is that we generate heat. so you put on a blanket yeah.
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Sam:
[13:26]
| Geez the point was not her project though we got to the science fair where we got to view everybody else's and there was one project where somebody had something about, It was like about bugs or something. And I completely forget the whole thing about like what it was trying to say about bugs, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, like if you're doing a project about bugs, it is not uncommon to like have dead bugs pinned to your board. Right. So like, you know, you can see somebody doing something about butterflies and it's got a bunch of dead butterflies pinned to the board or whatever. Right. The thing on this one is when you looked carefully, you realized that a couple of the bugs that were pinned to the board were still alive.
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Ivan:
[14:20]
| Oh.
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Sam:
[14:21]
| They were pinned to the board and like squirming. Like, ah, get me off. Get me off. And the stupid bug was still like alive.
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Ivan:
[14:30]
| Oh.
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Sam:
[14:31]
| I think it was some kind of roach or something. But like.
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Ivan:
[14:34]
| Lovely.
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Sam:
[14:36]
| That is like the main thing I remember about this whole incident is this one kid at a science project about bugs. And like sometimes you'll see a science project about bugs where they're in a little terrarium or something and they're supposed to be alive. But no, this was the bug was pinned to the board.
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Ivan:
[14:53]
| They were supposed to be dead.
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Sam:
[14:53]
| It was a bug. Like it had it had like a little needle like shoved right through the middle of its body, holding it onto the board. And it was still alive and squirming.
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Ivan:
[15:04]
| Ew. It's disgusting. My science experiment faux pas was dumber. I was not into the damn science experiment. I don't know why the hell I said, hey, we put water in the plants. What happens if we put alcohol in? Here's a newsflash. They die. Okay, by the way. So, yeah, they don't like alcohol. But here's the one thing. So I did this experiment where the experiment. What the fuck experiment? it. Look, I went and I got a set of plans. I took a set amount of alcohol. I dumped it into them every day and I took pictures of it every day over a number of days to see what the hell happened to show the results. Well.
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Ivan:
[15:48]
| What problem this is back in the day of film okay so i'm i'm taking these pictures and i think i'm taking these pictures right and this stupid camera is counting that i i'm taking pictures then i think i'm finished i i go and i'm like look i'm going to i need this for i need to go and like get these printed so i need to i gotta i'm gonna i'm gonna just whatever i'm gonna rewind to roll even before it's done just so I can like, you know, take the pictures. So I supposedly do that. I opened the camera. There was no film in the camera. I spent 10 days taking pictures with no film in the camera. The fucking camera was counting pictures. The counter is stupid. The idiotic counter was counting. There's no film! So all of a sudden I'm like, fuck! I just did this stupid experiment for this damn thing. I wrote up all, I wrote up everything about the daily results and what changes or whatever and whatnot. And this damn thing now, I have no pictures. Now what? So I have to go somehow. I believe I somehow, based on my descriptions, I faked the goddamn results for the pictures.
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Sam:
[17:01]
| I thought you were going to say you drew them or something.
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Ivan:
[17:04]
| No, I went and I just somehow tortured the plants into looking kind of like what was happening during the experiment. I believe I added a whole bunch of hot water and alcohol like in massive doses. And that kind of like killed them like in a day or two. Because I thankfully, I didn't do this.
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Sam:
[17:26]
| This wasn't the night before.
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Ivan:
[17:28]
| Thankfully, it wasn't. Okay, so I had a couple of days to try to figure out what the fuck. To kill more fuck. Yeah, to kill more plants. Yes. Because I had to get new plants to kill them because the other ones were already dead. I couldn't kill them again.
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Sam:
[17:42]
| Uh, Beautiful. Okay. All right. My turn. Okay. Okay. So, so two things real quick. I am going to, I'm going to talk about bones.
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Ivan:
[17:56]
| Bones, bones, bones, like the TV show bones or like the TV show.
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Sam:
[18:00]
| Physical phones, TV show bones. That's my, that's my show of the, the day to talk about. But before that, I just wanted to mention, I mentioned this several months ago, like in December or something, but I just want to throw it out there again. I am looking for career opportunities. So if any of our listeners out there are interested in someone like me, either from the stuff you hear here on the show.
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Ivan:
[18:24]
| Now, listen, just listen to him on the podcast. Don't look at him on video. That's all I'm asking. No, no, no. He looks decent on video still. Okay. All right.
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Sam:
[18:33]
| You know, you can look at me on video, but maybe this is time for a new career. I can be the guy that's being interrogated on law and order because I was like the homeless guy who like saw the crime.
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Ivan:
[18:51]
| I like this career. You know, you're not you're the guy who plays the homeless, you know, and we'll get you like new disguises every week. You play the guy who is just the homeless guy. I like this career. Listen, if I could figure out a way to get paid like a million dollars a year to just be, yes, to be the guy who is just the homeless guy on Lauderdale, I saw them over there and they were like, oh, my God, I don't know. Well, you know, I lied. You know, I've been drinking too much. The meth and ketamine and whatever. But I think I remember them. Yeah, there you go.
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Sam:
[19:33]
| What I was going to say is if you have any tips for me for either things like what you see here, like if you want to hire somebody to yammer endlessly about current events, by all means, I'm up for the career change, okay? Or if you like what I've done with election graphs or Wiki of the Day or anything like that, You know, hit me up. All the contact information is at the end of the show. Or if you go to abulsme.com, A-B-U-L-S-M-E dot com slash resume. R-E-S. How do you spell resume? R-E-S-U-S-M-E. You know, this is showing how good I am and why you should hire me.
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Ivan:
[20:16]
| You're a genius.
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Sam:
[20:17]
| Because I'm like, how do you spell resume? Yeah. Anyway, go there.
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Ivan:
[20:24]
| Austin, he's a great writer. I will say this. As I can attest to this, he's a very talented writer.
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Sam:
[20:30]
| Oh, I am, okay.
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Ivan:
[20:31]
| Yes, you are. Don't confuse his spelling faux pas occasionally, Arizona. You write very eloquently.
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Sam:
[20:40]
| Anyway, you can go there to see what I actually do for a living. It's sort of product program management stuff. Officially, I've usually had a technical in front of that, but I actually hate the technical part of it, so I would be happy to dump that. I know, Yvonne's like, you don't say that. But, you know, whatever.
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Ivan:
[20:59]
| Yeah, don't say that. You edit that out. Just stop saying what you did. Cut that out. What are you doing?
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Sam:
[21:06]
| I would be so much happier without that around my neck. Whatever.
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Ivan:
[21:10]
| You're just trying to get to retirement. Shut up. Okay? What are you doing? What the fuck's your problem?
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Sam:
[21:17]
| Anyway, if you have any tips, networking, people I should talk to, hit me up. Contacts on that on that web page or we'll give you stuff on that at the end of the show okay now time for bones.
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Ivan:
[21:33]
| Bones bones.
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Sam:
[21:35]
| The tv series have you you you you mentioned it.
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Ivan:
[21:38]
| Are you familiar have you watched it listen i know what it is i have watched a little bit of it but i i am not one that liked watching it like my wife liked it so i i mean she would put it on the tv i sometimes would graze around her and just, you know, see some of it. So I know kind of like the actors and how the show works. You know, it's one of these investigative procedurals kind of a thing where the focus is on the forensic analysis, you know.
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Sam:
[22:12]
| Exactly. So, so you've summarized the whole thing. I don't have to say anything. No, the first of all, this was one that I, I started it. I started watching it before I was tracking rigorously when I started. So I don't know exactly when I started, but I fit and, and I talk about TV shows only when I finished the entire TV show for the most part. Like I've made a couple of exceptions here and there, but anyway, I finished it in. In may may 25th i finished it the thing has 12 seasons it ran from 2005 to 2017 and how many seasons.
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Ivan:
[22:53]
| Have you watched again.
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Sam:
[22:55]
| Well i i'm talking about it because i finished all 12 seasons oh.
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Ivan:
[22:59]
| You did finish all 12 seasons.
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Sam:
[23:01]
| Yeah wow yeah okay like this is like i finished the show and that's why i'm talking about it here so like you said it's a police procedural blah blah blah blah it's got like a forensic forensic anthropologist the main character bones uh who's i guess the the character's name is temperance brennan but her nickname is bones she goes by that and she works with an fbi agent celie booth and they solve murders and stuff and the focus like you said again is on like they're trying to figure out who did it by analyzing the remains, So that's like, you know, they're like law and order that we'd mentioned in passing, you know, that you got the cops out on the street interviewing people and stuff. And you get some of that occasionally. But the focus here is they figure it out because of the evidence in the body.
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Sam:
[23:54]
| And, uh, anyway, I will say thumbs up. I enjoyed this show. I mean, like any show that runs 12 seasons, it's got ups and downs and, you know, and at a certain point you're like, okay, haven't we done everything we can do with this like set of characters? And, you know, they change a few things here and there. And sometimes they throw in something big, like, you know, usually it's like a mystery of the week kind of thing. But at some point they're like, okay, well, you know, we gotta, we gotta up the stakes here. Let's have a serial killer who's after the team or whatever. Right. Or, or, you know, something else that throws it, throws additional drama in or, or something bad happens to one of the main characters or whatever. Cause you have to do something to shake these things up if they last this many years. And so, you know.
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Ivan:
[24:45]
| Well, I mean, you don't have to.
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Sam:
[24:47]
| Well, look, I, yes, I know we were just again, law and order.
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Ivan:
[24:50]
| 22 seasons now.
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Sam:
[24:52]
| It took a.
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Ivan:
[24:52]
| Break it's back but shaking it out they basically i mean it's the same and gumball i mean almost the exact same exact formula and and by the way one thing i did find i i did hear i've heard this from more from youtubers but i've also heard this mentioned about these these kind of tv shows that actually certain people whenever they deviated significantly from the formula that's.
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Sam:
[25:16]
| When people leave.
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Ivan:
[25:17]
| Oh yeah people get like really pissed off yeah you know that those are like the usually the most hated episodes or like you know the least watched videos that they put on youtube whatever they they try to deviate significantly from the formula yeah i.
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Sam:
[25:33]
| Mean it it depends and especially for tv shows it depends like sometimes when they when a show goes off and does a quote-unquote like creative episode that's.
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Ivan:
[25:45]
| Like like uh like they jumped the shark well.
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Sam:
[25:48]
| Like it like a bunch of shows have done like musical episodes there were just.
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Ivan:
[25:52]
| Oh that's i i've seen that those are all i always found those utterly bizarre well.
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Sam:
[25:59]
| You know and the thing is they're risky like some of those for some shows are well remembered as like oh my god that's a classic episode people loved him so much others are like they tried to do something different and they just failed.
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Ivan:
[26:12]
| There is the this podcast that i do like dad levitard show did do a musical okay and actually that actually came out really good and and it's all related to it's they they did a lot of songs about sports happenings things and whatnot etc and i find myself every once in a while just listening to it because what they did actually came out really, really, really good. So, okay. But for the most part, I'm not big on music. Oh, I say that, and you know, I've liked going to see a musical, but, but yeah, but I, I do realize that there are, I'm picky about them. Okay. It's not like I, I, okay. I don't blanket hate musicals, but I will say that the majority of the ones that I've watched, I haven't liked, but I've liked some.
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Sam:
[27:10]
| Understood. So anyway, my point was, as with any show, my point was, as with any show.
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Ivan:
[27:16]
| We're not going to talk about musicals for the next hour.
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Sam:
[27:17]
| We're not going to talk about musicals like at, at, at certain points as I'm back through the media world and I'm going to do these media reviews again, there, there are musicals on the list. And when we get to them, we can talk about it.
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Ivan:
[27:31]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[27:31]
| But no, my point on bones was like with any show that lasts this long, it has some ups and downs, but I will say I never lost interest. Like, you know, a number of months ago, I was talking about finishing House of Cards and how, like, it really went downhill fast.
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Ivan:
[27:49]
| Oh, my God. Yeah, it started just it just crumbled.
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Sam:
[27:53]
| Like, it was good at the beginning. And then it it crumbled.
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Ivan:
[27:58]
| It just just yeah, I won that.
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Sam:
[28:01]
| Yeah, I would say Bones did not do that. I mean, I was I liked it all the way through all 12 seasons. There are a few places where I'm like maybe you're stretching a little bit but for the most part I enjoyed it all a thumbs up for Bones I liked all 12 seasons, And 246 episodes total. Apparently there is a show that maybe I'll watch someday that is like one episode of this series, like from I forget which season, was a backdoor pilot for another series that's not the same characters. Like they had a guest star come in and then the new series is based on that guest star. I might watch that somewhere called The Finder, apparently. I guess it didn't last anywhere near the 12 years.
|
Ivan:
[28:54]
| It didn't last very long because I.
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Sam:
[28:57]
| Yeah, but whatever, but, but bones itself, you know, thumbs up. I enjoyed it. It's, it's fun. If you let, if you enjoy these kinds of procedural things with a bit of like the sciencey stuff thrown in. Oh, and of course, like, like a lot of these, these, these days, there's a lot of it. That's the personal interdynamics of the characters too. So it's not just, here's the case. we're going to solve the case there's a lot of you know how do these characters interact with each other and they do evolve somewhat over the course of the 12 years you know so i mean there's some core personality elements that there are the same all the way through of course but like you know people get together people like break up people like have kids like because i mean 12 years is a long time, you know?
|
Ivan:
[29:46]
| Well, but you, I don't know, but you know, there are, well, we can't do it like in the cartoons. Like, you know, Snoopy ran for about 50 years and none of the characters ever grew up.
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Sam:
[29:58]
| That is Peanuts, not Snoopy.
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Ivan:
[30:01]
| Peanuts. Peanuts. Peanuts. Peanuts.
|
Sam:
[30:04]
| Yeah, good point. No, they did not grow up. And neither did The Simpsons. You know, The Simpsons.
|
Ivan:
[30:09]
| Neither are The Simpsons. Right.
|
Sam:
[30:11]
| But, like, that's harder to do when you have human actors.
|
Ivan:
[30:14]
| It is. I've seen some shows that...
|
Sam:
[30:18]
| Try.
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Ivan:
[30:19]
| Yeah, there have been some shows that you can see that they keep trying not to age the characters.
|
Sam:
[30:25]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[30:26]
| But that could only go on for a certain period of time.
|
Sam:
[30:30]
| Yeah and it works better with like people who are already sort of yeah like 30 yeah exactly.
|
Ivan:
[30:37]
| But but but you.
|
Sam:
[30:38]
| Know like you can sort of if you're like characters yeah if you you can sort of keep characters from late 20s to late 40s and basically try to ignore their age in the stories you.
|
Ivan:
[30:52]
| Know there there are like i think that there's been some shows where you know say they've had like a 10 year old character and they start getting older where they've kind of like all of a sudden just swapped them for.
|
Sam:
[31:05]
| Some other.
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Ivan:
[31:06]
| Kid that was like younger you know like nobody will notice it's a different kid.
|
Sam:
[31:10]
| Well there was one show i'm not going to remember who it was but it's it's a famous instance of oh i think it might have been happy days actually um okay Wait, wait. I'm missing a picture. I'm checking my references. Okay, yes. Chuck Cunningham.
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Ivan:
[31:34]
| Uh-huh.
|
Sam:
[31:36]
| Okay, no. Well, there's several, but Chuck Cunningham is one example of this. He was the oldest child in Happy Days. Richie Cunningham and Joni Cunningham's older brother.
|
Ivan:
[31:50]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[31:50]
| He was in the first two seasons. In season three, he was gone and never mentioned again.
|
Ivan:
[32:00]
| There you go. Just, you know, whatever. He never existed.
|
Sam:
[32:04]
| There was, and I believe, let's see, I'm trying to, upstairs, I'm just trying to find all these. Okay, here we are. where Judy from Family Matters was another character. So the Family Matters, this is the series that eventually had like Urkel and stuff, I believe. I never watched this show. But this one, there was an episode in the latter half of the episode in the fourth season, Judy was set to her room as a punishment.
|
Ivan:
[32:43]
| Never came back.
|
Sam:
[32:45]
| She was never seen or heard from or mentioned on the show again.
|
Ivan:
[32:49]
| That's great. Perfect. Talk about the ultimate punishment.
|
Sam:
[32:54]
| You know, and, um, yeah.
|
Ivan:
[32:58]
| Um, we just you know forget it yeah what who's judy what are you talking about what are you yeah what are you talking about what are you talking about it's what character what are you yeah.
|
Sam:
[33:12]
| And no write-off no like.
|
Ivan:
[33:15]
| Nothing nothing we're don't even pretend now i'm just just just god, god and yeah perfect so that's the way it should be we just you know we don't even, we don't even pretend we don't even pretend that we you know it's like it's like one of those you know those those things where they're trying to drive the person crazy it's like what do you mean president you know yeah that person doesn't exist what are you talking about you're like but what do you yeah my brother no you know.
|
Sam:
[33:51]
| Well there's another series that did that in reverse famously as well and that was buffy the vampire slayer which i'm i'm not currently watching but i watched almost every episode when it was actually on new and i and let me check which season this happened in and so in the fifth season of the show.
|
Ivan:
[34:16]
| Yeah yeah what did they do.
|
Sam:
[34:19]
| All of a sudden, the main character, Buffy, had a little sister. Had never existed. Out of the blue.
|
Ivan:
[34:26]
| Now I got a sister.
|
Sam:
[34:28]
| Teenage little sister. So it wasn't like a baby that was just born or something. Teenage little sister.
|
Ivan:
[34:34]
| We need to add a sister. We need to add a sister.
|
Sam:
[34:36]
| We need to add a sister.
|
Ivan:
[34:38]
| It's like, well, they did that. Well, is this because of peanuts? They did that with peanuts. All of a sudden, Snoopy had a brother spike.
|
Sam:
[34:46]
| Well, there you go. And like, spoilers here, there did end up being an in-show explanation for why Buffy's little sister Dawn showed up at that point. They did explain it in-show. I won't get into that because it's spoilers. But yeah, it's just like, all of a sudden, she's there. And there's no like introduction, like, oh, new sister. It's just she's there as if she was always there. And yeah.
|
Ivan:
[35:15]
| That's a way to do it. Exactly. That's the way to do it. You know, Tal. You know, I should get, I should be, it should be as easy to get Manu a brother. Like some people say, well, I got a brother. All of a sudden, we just show up and, oh yeah, Manu's brother. He's 11. What?
|
Sam:
[35:31]
| He's always been there.
|
Ivan:
[35:32]
| What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You're like, what do you mean? He's all in it. Yeah. What are you talking about?
|
Sam:
[35:39]
| Okay. Anyway.
|
Ivan:
[35:40]
| Then I just edit, I just use AI to edit, edit them into all the old pictures.
|
Sam:
[35:44]
| You can do that now.
|
Ivan:
[35:45]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[35:46]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[35:46]
| I mean just edit all the old pictures of videos all of a sudden there's this guy that shows up laughing.
|
Sam:
[35:56]
| It could be spike it.
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Ivan:
[35:58]
| Could be spike yes.
|
Sam:
[35:59]
| Snoopy's brother spike not the spike from his brother's vampire slayer that's.
|
Ivan:
[36:03]
| Yeah no no different spike yeah yeah.
|
Sam:
[36:05]
| Different spike different spike okay i think we need to we finally take a break and like talk i mean you said you hated the news so i figured no problem going along on the non-news, Okay, let's take a break. We'll be back. And then Yvonne can tell us which of the news things that he hates the most he would like to talk about first. Back after this. You know, I was paying so much attention that it took me until the second half.
|
Sam:
[38:35]
| Of that break before I realized that it was the Ray Lynch break and not one of the breaks for Alex's YouTube channel. Oh, I was like, this is still going on. Alex's breaks aren't usually this long. What's going on? Oh, it's Ray Lynch.
|
Ivan:
[38:51]
| It's not the Alex break. It was Ray Lynch.
|
Sam:
[38:54]
| You know, I was looking at stuff on the other screens I have here while it was playing. And I wasn't actually paying attention, obviously, you know, so yeah. Anyway, so Yvonne, of the various exciting news things.
|
Ivan:
[39:09]
| I'm double checking right now just to make sure one thing.
|
Sam:
[39:14]
| Okay.
|
Ivan:
[39:14]
| Yeah. I want to make sure that we keep playing this. Ray Lynch is getting older. I wanted to make sure that he's still alive as far as I can tell. Okay.
|
Sam:
[39:22]
| I check that periodically as well. Yes.
|
Ivan:
[39:25]
| Yeah. He is still alive. Okay. Good. All right. Okay. Just double checking. Yes. he's still he's 81 but yeah he's very much still very much with us.
|
Sam:
[39:34]
| You know right around the time we made this break was also when like his house burned down or something yes but that was years ago that.
|
Ivan:
[39:42]
| Was a long time ago yeah.
|
Sam:
[39:44]
| But like yeah so he had but yeah like he's he's i i do check this periodically as well not not to feel glum here or something no it's just.
|
Ivan:
[39:53]
| That you know yeah I mean, I don't want to like.
|
Sam:
[39:55]
| If he ever play it.
|
Ivan:
[39:56]
| If he ever, we have to make a note of that.
|
Sam:
[39:59]
| You know, if he ever does pass away. And I, I preface that with if, cause you know, he may live forever, but you know, then we should mention it when it happens.
|
Ivan:
[40:09]
| Yes, we should. It should be. Yes. Should be noted. Yes. If that. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[40:15]
| Okay. So topic you find, what, what, what newsy thing are you most willing to actually talk about without like destroying your blood pressure.
|
Ivan:
[40:26]
| Looking at all of these.
|
Sam:
[40:28]
| We could do more movies and TVs, the whole damn show. We could go back to the gardening topic. Talk, talk about the last meal you had.
|
Ivan:
[40:40]
| I'm thinking about this.
|
Sam:
[40:42]
| We could discuss our miscellaneous health ailments for ourselves and our families, you know, all kinds of fun stuff like that.
|
Ivan:
[40:50]
| Fuck. fuck i'm i'm looking at them and i'm i'm debating here for a second uh-huh i guess the stupid fucking shit that happened with ukraine this week okay now summarize what happened first yes oh we'll preface even before the summary yeah that no one should have been surprised by This.
|
Sam:
[41:17]
| Is something we've said repeatedly, like on everything, like, and this, this seems to be like a fundamental division when you talk to people about what's going on. For the most part, Harris voters, well, I don't even want to put it in terms of Harris and Trump voters. There are people who believed what Donald Trump says.
|
Ivan:
[41:40]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[41:41]
| And then there are people who are like, ah, that's just how he is. He talks about stuff. He won't actually do that stuff. But, you know, but everything he is doing lines right up with things he said he would do.
|
Ivan:
[41:56]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[41:57]
| Plus Project 2025, which he said he had nothing to do with. However, everybody associated with him did. And if you read the positions he actually espoused on his own damn website, which was called like.
|
Ivan:
[42:12]
| We're all Project 2020.
|
Sam:
[42:13]
| It was like something 47 or something. I forget what he called it. But like, it was basically a summary of Project 2025. Just shorter. You know? So anyway. way yes no one should be.
|
Ivan:
[42:27]
| Surprised by anything so you're.
|
Sam:
[42:28]
| Constantly hearing about people being like oh my god i can't believe he's doing this we weren't prepared.
|
Ivan:
[42:34]
| So he met with putin you know they he talked with putin he didn't meet with him in person not yet not yet no no but they talked, and basically as as we expected he he threw ukraine completely under the bus, And I think, well, one thing that we do know, we've heard this before, so I guess, I guess this was a little bit surprising for him, for me to hear, but it not, it shouldn't have been. Trump has this reputation that, especially of people that he, like, admires that he will go into a meeting with them. They will tell him something and he will come out at a meeting, basically regurgitating that point. Okay. And so he goes to the meeting with Putin, Putin, not being an idiot like he is what basically was to the position. Well, Ukraine started this war.
|
Sam:
[43:31]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[43:32]
| And so Trump came out and basically just said that, and you basically accused of, you know, ukraine starting the war and then.
|
Sam:
[43:42]
| Zelinski being a dictator the.
|
Ivan:
[43:45]
| Zelinski's a dictator which that's also a talking point of of.
|
Sam:
[43:50]
| The russians i'll mention specifically part of that talking point is zelinski refuses to have elections zelinski is the ukrainian constitution that was in place before the invasion actually explicitly says in a situation of war or emergency elections will be delayed so that's not like a decision that zelinski specifically made i mean i guess you could say he could say there's no emergency anymore but they're at war there.
|
Ivan:
[44:16]
| Is no emergency.
|
Sam:
[44:17]
| You know so it's it is the situation is mandated by their constitution you can argue whether that's the right thing to do i mean you know the u.s had elections throughout like all our wars but there They were very, even the civil war, but like most of our wars haven't been on our own territory and our constitution has no provisions for that, for that, et cetera. You know, so it does eventually become untenable. Eventually you have to have elections again.
|
Ivan:
[44:49]
| But I understood that the UK also had that, that they, they, they did suspend elections during the world war two.
|
Sam:
[44:57]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[44:58]
| Um, yeah.
|
Sam:
[44:59]
| Although famously, like, Churchill did get kicked out during World War II. Right. But anyway, continue, continue.
|
Ivan:
[45:09]
| But it was more closely. But, okay, so threw them under the bus. Then I guess the whole thing was demanding, like, basically, hey, just give us all your... And then I think, who was it that said that they never getting their land back? Was it Hagzeth?
|
Sam:
[45:24]
| Yes. He said, and I think we touched on this statement last week, but he said, yeah, they're very unlikely to get their land back. NATO membership is not on the table. He said a couple other things along those lines that basically positioned the U.S. At the beginning of the negotiations already at the Russian position.
|
Ivan:
[45:49]
| And even for, you know, he went, you know, but but during this the whole week, he goes on this thing about making withdrawals from Europe of U.S. Troops, reductions in U.S. military spending. I mean, basically, it's like a Putin wish list.
|
Sam:
[46:08]
| Yeah. And he explicitly made the statement about, you know, Europe should get out of the habit of assuming the U.S. is their primary defense mechanism.
|
Ivan:
[46:18]
| And but but but but but then at the same time you know by the way yeah a lot of this by the way a lot of how we got there okay all right but you know but a lot a.
|
Sam:
[46:30]
| Lot of these statements just to be clear over the next few days both hegsess and trump backed off a little bit from these statements but they'd already said it.
|
Ivan:
[46:40]
| But they were all putin talking points is my point yes came out And basically, it's like, look, if it's like Putin handed him, if anybody would have dreamed of being able to hand the president of the United States, Putin wanted to hand him talking points, he got his wish. It's basically here, read this. And he read it. And then troop withdrawals from Europe. Oh, my God. Defense cutbacks. But here's the crazy thing about the defense cutbacks. He wants like Europe to spend 5% of GDP on defense. Fuck, we're not spending anywhere near that, okay? And worse, I mean, he wants to go and cut it to below what he's demanding the Europeans to spend.
|
Sam:
[47:27]
| Right. Let me mention a little bit more about, you started to mention Trump's demand for a mineral deal.
|
Ivan:
[47:35]
| Yes. Rare earths.
|
Sam:
[47:38]
| Yeah, rare earths. So basically, and we even like a couple of weeks ago, we talked about how, ah, maybe this is okay. Like there's some sort of deal between, you know, in exchange for rare earths, Trump will actually put some troops in and provide more support, blah, blah, blah. He's transactional. And maybe Zelensky's like, okay, deal. Well, what happened was the demand was 50% of all of those resources that the Ukraine has, and Trump made it clear this was not in exchange for anything going forward. The way Trump put it was, this is to pay us back for what Biden spent in Ukraine already and gave nothing in exchange, was basically just, we demand these resources. So Zelensky said no.
|
Sam:
[48:32]
| And apparently that made Trump really upset. And along with some other things Zelensky said about Trump, basically Trump had talks in Saudi Arabia with Russia, not in person, but his people, about the situation without even telling the Ukrainians it was going to happen in advance, let alone including them. And Zelensky made some statements about how that was unacceptable and no deal negotiated without Ukraine would ever be accepted by the Ukrainian people. Ukraine has to be involved, blah, blah, blah. And this made Trump very mad. The latest I've seen reporting on just in the last 24 hours is that I don't know if it's Trump or Musk or some combination thereof, but they are saying that they are going to cut off all Ukraine access to Starlink if they don't give them all those mineral rights. And Starlink is, of course, right now a key portion of how the Ukrainian military communicates on the battlefield. So we're basically blackmailing them now at this point to get those mineral rights in exchange for nothing.
|
Sam:
[49:45]
| So all of this, the bottom line on all of this is we have effectively switched sides. On this conflict. Yeah, basically. This is not playing some sort of neutral arbiter. The Trump administration is now pushing the Russian position on this conflict. And Europe and Ukraine are scrambling to figure out how to react on that. Now, we haven't quite said, okay, we're going to supply arms to the Russians now. But basically everything's short of that.
|
Ivan:
[50:22]
| No. And now the Europeans all of a sudden are scrambling and now they're assembling their own aid and weapons package to Ukraine of a significant amount.
|
Sam:
[50:36]
| One of Trump's talking points, by the way, has been how the U.S. Has spent so much more than Europe and Ukraine, which is just outright false. The U.S. has spent more than any other individual country, but if you add up all of Europe together, they have spent like 30% more than we have. I forget the exact number, but ballpark. They have definitely spent more than us on supporting the Ukrainians overall. So that's just plain false. Also i should mention like his we we mentioned he's sort of taking the russian talking points on who started the war at all but where that came up more most blatantly was in response to zelinski saying that he wasn't included trump basically said well you had three years to make a deal you didn't make a deal and in fact you shouldn't have even started it you know was his response to all that.
|
Ivan:
[51:27]
| Shouldn't even started what?
|
Sam:
[51:29]
| The war.
|
Ivan:
[51:29]
| Oh, because yeah, he started the war. Right.
|
Sam:
[51:32]
| Yeah. Zelensky started the war, according to Trump. Again, there has been some minor back off from some of these statements, but-
|
Ivan:
[51:41]
| Well, one thing is that I, the one thing that the Europeans are, have been reacting very belatedly is they've known that they've had this risk related to their defense posture, especially since Trump was in his first term. And the reality is that they had to spend more on defense, even though I know that the economy, that they've had issues with economic growth in recent times. But they are the ones that are the tip of the spear in terms of the threat from Russia at the time. And, you know, given what happened in the first Trump term, they should have had a sharper reaction. However, they didn't. Now they're all under scrambling to react to something that they knew was a looming threat. And it shouldn't have surprised them in one bit that it was said. I will say that having Vance and Paxev basically go over there and shit all over them probably wasn't, they didn't think that that part specifically could have happened. I guess they probably expected it from Trump itself. But basically, you know, they went over there and just shit all over Europe in terms of military economy, everything. You know, we support the far right parties. I mean, basically, it was just, you know, that's been the last couple of weeks of our relations with Europe at this moment.
|
Sam:
[53:06]
| Well, here's the thing. After Trump won. You know, already Europe was talking like, you know, we have to figure out how to live our lives without the assumption of a benevolent America. I mean, America's never been completely benevolent. There's been all kinds of weirdness in the relationship. But fundamentally.
|
Ivan:
[53:29]
| An America that actually had a good relationship with Europe.
|
Sam:
[53:32]
| Yes. Yes. That's a good way to put it. Like, there was a mutually beneficial U.S.-Europe relationship that everybody appreciated. Yeah. And they started to, in Trump one, they sort of retrenched, but I think everybody, and this goes for us, how we reacted to Trump internally too. There was sort of this general feeling that this is temporary. This is an aberration. Trump will be here a little while. And then as long as we can get through it, things will go back to normal. Right now with trump winning a second time including winning the u.s popular vote, there's a lot more thought of like well shit this might not be temporary this might just be how the way it is and even if it is temporary even if like the next u.s president comes in and tries to reverse all this stuff well what about the one after that right we can no longer rely on this long-term. We have to treat the U.S. As an unpredictable entity that at any moment.
|
Sam:
[54:43]
| You know, could switch direction. So we can't rely on a damn thing. And, and, you know, with, with Trump himself, I mean, with all this mineral stuff and everything else, we come back to again, his transactional nature. Like there's nothing sort of, there's no sort of base ideological thing here on most of this. There's, there's some core racism that exists. There's some core sexism that exists that permeates everything, but fundamentally, like he could switch direction 180 degrees on a dime if he perceived it would benefit him, you know, or, or, or if it hurt people that he doesn't like, that is also a reason that he will turn on a dime.
|
Ivan:
[55:31]
| Yes.
|
Sam:
[55:31]
| You know, so, so yeah, no one can count on him. And so everybody worldwide is going to have to pivot to that stance that they just cannot rely on the U.S. For anything one way or another and figure out how to go about things based on that new assumption of what the world is like. that, yes, the U.S. May do something helpful every once in a while, but they also may do things that are horribly harmful.
|
Ivan:
[56:03]
| Correct.
|
Sam:
[56:04]
| Regardless of who you are in the world and what the previous relationship was, good or bad. You know? And that's the new reality. That's the new reality. And that's a very, very unstable reality.
|
Ivan:
[56:17]
| The one thing is that Trump supposedly is doing this for, I'm not even really sure what his in his head he thinks is the reason for this. I mean, do you, because it doesn't make America safer in any way. The reality is no, no, that that's, that's the, that's the clear reality. This doesn't do that in any way, shape or form. So, I mean, I, but I also realize that when we talk about Trump, when we talk about the fact that he's transactional, he also doesn't think he's not thinking strategically in terms of a long term.
|
Sam:
[57:02]
| No, no, everything is extremely short term.
|
Ivan:
[57:05]
| So he's thinking that he can get a very short-term benefit for whatever the hell reason right now, regardless of what situation he creates in the future, that is inherently far more dangerous to the world in general, including the United States, because this will embolden other countries.
|
Sam:
[57:28]
| In short-term versus long-term, and this is a problem not just with Trump, but lots of things in the world right now, but in terms of short-term, long-term, he couldn't give a flying fuck what happens five years from now, as long as there's a benefit to be had in the next few weeks.
|
Ivan:
[57:44]
| Yeah so yeah I mean he's really setting up he's setting up America in the long term in a far more precarious situation, I mean, that's my my view. Here's the one thing that I find humorous about all this. I know that it's difficult to to think of that, but but, you know, I find it. The one thing that I found humorous is fucking Marco Rubio's face as he sat at the at this meeting in Saudi Arabia and other meetings with Lavrov and all these people. And with this face that just completely betrays the fact that in his head, you know, he knows he is a complete sellout, but the thing is that he has sold himself out for financial reasons, for political reasons, you know.
|
Sam:
[58:45]
| Because just to be clear, Marco Rubio's history, like.
|
Ivan:
[58:48]
| Is a hard-life anti-Russia guy. Right. And he is sitting there doing this shit and his face betrays the fact that he is just right now a lackey that is doing what his boss wants that he despises. But because he is just a lackey, he's sitting there looking, you know, absolutely stone face and being, uh, yeah.
|
Sam:
[59:16]
| There was another Trump appointee. I forget in what role he was a spokesman for something or other, but he used to be a congressman. I forget which person it was or which name. But some reporter asked him, showed him a clip of him as a congressman taking hardline anti-Russian positions and pro-Ukraine positions. And basically he was asked, how do you reconcile these? How do you reconcile this? Have you changed your mind? Do you now agree with President Trump's position on this? And he's like, well, obviously, at this point, I, you know, agree with the president, you know, and it was clear it was one of these, you know. He probably doesn't, but his job is now to push the administration line, just like Rubio's is. And on the one hand, that's what you expect, right? On any administration, you expect if there are internal disagreements, they are kept internal and publicly all the people, you know, give the administration line. But at the same time, these are such fundamental reversals.
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Ivan:
[1:00:30]
| I mean, this isn't like, hey, we're going to use, instead of vanilla, we're going to use vanilla with chocolate chip. No, we're not even using ice cream. We're going to give you lava. Yeah, hot molten lava. You're like, do you like hot molten lava?
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Sam:
[1:00:49]
| These are the level of disagreements where you would expect that if you had that level of disagreement in an area.
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Ivan:
[1:00:57]
| You would resign.
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Sam:
[1:00:59]
| Yes. You would resign or you would not have taken the job in the first place.
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Ivan:
[1:01:04]
| Or not taking the job. Right.
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Sam:
[1:01:05]
| Because these are disagreements that are at the core part of what your job responsibilities are. They're not even peripheral.
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Ivan:
[1:01:12]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:01:12]
| They're like, you know.
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Ivan:
[1:01:14]
| It's not like we're at the margins. You know, the other day I was having this disagreement about a strategy related to something at a customer. You know, the one thing that in my head I remembered is that, you know, look, the end goal is the same. There's different approaches to doing this. There is no one right approach to closing a deal. OK, you know, and so so it's OK, you know, as you know, we're trying to do whatever. But, you know, but in this case, it's not just it's not an approach thing. The position is completely anathema to everything that you did before. It's not sweetening, it's not changing it It's not sprinkling stuff on it It's just, you know You just, you know You are basically saying that you are You are sitting there As Marco Rubio And saying, hey, we're lackeys of Putin, and he's like sitting there Stone-faced Yeah, I am It's pathetic Yes There was one senator this week Republicans just started railing against them.
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Sam:
[1:02:29]
| On the specific issue of Ukraine, right?
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Ivan:
[1:02:32]
| Yeah. And Putin, yeah. He went on the floor and just, went completely you know then it started just ripping everything apart that they it's at this week most most have remained absolute it's like the question that you it's like the the evasive answer you said uh whatever the guy spoke yeah yeah or his congressman gave like whatever well do you support this now and yeah i support the president you know not no uh you know and one of these non-specific answers that just gets me out of having to answer more questions about this right but look i it it's a new and different reality maybe it's for the better in some ways look i'll say this that europe for the last number of years has been a little bit rudderless okay and and maybe this galvanizes them into finally coming together and taking some serious actions that actually grows the influence that the EU should have on a global stage.
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Sam:
[1:03:40]
| Yeah, I agree with that.
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Ivan:
[1:03:42]
| Because for the size of their economy and the size of what they bring to the table, which is really way bigger than Russia, like 10 times Russia, okay? And if still not bigger, about the size of China as well. And an individual, you know, GDP far exceeds it, you know, maybe this finally is a galvanizing moment that they needed to finally get their fucking ass, you know, off just being wishy-washy about doing certain things and taking leadership in certain things.
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Sam:
[1:04:14]
| Um, a couple other things real quick before we wrap up the segment, cause I'm going to go in a completely different direction for the next segment.
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Sam:
[1:04:22]
| First of all, you mentioned like the one Senator who's saying something different. There have been a number of reports in the last few weeks and more domestically about, Republican Congress people going to their home districts and having town halls in very, very red districts, by the way, we're talking like districts where the Republican won by 60 fucking percent, you know, like huge red districts where they are getting a really harsh reception at the town halls with people going, basically, what the hell is Trump doing? And are you going to do anything about it? Mostly seeming related to unhappiness with some of the Dodge stuff, with Elon going through and slicing things off randomly that are actually helping their constituents in red states. But, but just in general now, who knows, like, and are we, and we've got the budget stuff coming up, by the way, where right now the proposal that Trump has endorsed so far is the one that's going through the house. There's a different one that's more narrow going through the Senate, where even though Trump has said things like, we're not going to touch Medicare and Medicaid, the current proposal on the table in the house very much does touch those things. Because, frankly, like, if you're going to make a big dent, you have to.
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Sam:
[1:05:51]
| And so the question is, of all— Sam— The question is, do these things end up eventually, almost by necessity, driving a wedge between congressional Republicans and Trump?
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Ivan:
[1:06:04]
| Yes, because there's no other— Because there's no other— I mean, I don't see how the hell they survive politically. Listen, them right now already, I've already seen videos and I can't, I didn't see anybody in the news confirm this is accurate or not. Okay. But.
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Sam:
[1:06:23]
| So let's spread the misinformation. I've got some more information.
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Ivan:
[1:06:26]
| No, no, no. I'm giving. Wait, wait. I am prefacing this not as confirmed fact. I'm saying that this is something that has come up that they are saying related to some of these changes, for example.
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Sam:
[1:06:38]
| Yeah. Okay.
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Ivan:
[1:06:39]
| Medicare insulin price caps, okay? A number of people had said weeks ago that one of the things that Trump had signed as an executive order basically obliterated those. The many news organizations I saw that first said, no, that's not the case. But then I keep seeing anecdotal reports of people going to refill their insulin and all of a sudden they're going from having to pay $6 that they're being demanded $80, okay, to do so. These are, this is the shit, you see, this is the kind of shit that got Biden into problems in the first place, okay? This kind of stuff. My eggs were more expensive, the gas was more expensive, this was more, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Man, look, if people are going to go to the pharmacy, they're going to find that they're paying 80 bucks for insulin instead of six? This is going to blow up so fast in their face.
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Sam:
[1:07:35]
| Well, so, so far on almost anything like that, the Trump administration is still saying it's Biden's fault, which, you know, look, it's only been a month.
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Ivan:
[1:07:44]
| Yeah, but then he can fix it. Okay, but wait, but that doesn't last because you can fix, because you can fix it. Now you're there. You're supposed to be fixing it.
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Sam:
[1:07:52]
| Right. I mean, the, it's the last guy's fault thing will last a while. You can do that for a while. You can't do that forever.
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Ivan:
[1:07:59]
| It's not going to last a while if the price started right after he came into office. That's the problem.
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Sam:
[1:08:06]
| One of the things that we've said repeatedly on this show is how economic stuff has a significant delay between the action that's taken and the result. So we have to be fair on that in both directions, right?
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Ivan:
[1:08:20]
| But the thing is that, but, but, but, okay, but I'm talking about two different things. Okay. One is, hey, I decided to eliminate funding for research and development for these things. OK, that has a delayed effect. Well, we're going to stop the project to build this bridge. OK, we're not going to fix the bridge. Well, that doesn't have an immediate effect. But if you're going to go and, like, people are going to go and get their health care cut, if they're going to go and immediately, like, get their, all of a sudden, the deductibles for their medicines, like, soar, like, you know, 1,000%, that's not a delayed effect. They just did it, like, right away.
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Sam:
[1:09:03]
| And here's the other thing that they're doing.
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Ivan:
[1:09:05]
| But here's the other thing that they're mushrooming. Here's the other problem. They're doing these things where, you know, hey, an interest rate increase or cut has a delayed effect. But if you lay off half a million people now, that has an immediate effect. That doesn't get that delayed.
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Sam:
[1:09:22]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:09:23]
| That's half a million people on the street that aren't going to find jobs right away.
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Sam:
[1:09:27]
| There's a huge difference between we passed the Inflation Reduction Act with all kinds of infrastructure spending that's scheduled over the next 10 years.
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Ivan:
[1:09:37]
| Years.
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Sam:
[1:09:38]
| Or the introduction of the ACA, which also phased in over 10 years. yeah i.
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Ivan:
[1:09:44]
| Think it was 10 years.
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Sam:
[1:09:45]
| I think it was uh it is close anyway it was a long time regardless it was a long time it was in both of these situations it's long enough that by the time you get the effect everybody has forgotten the thing that caused it in the beginning even you know certainly the people who aren't paying attention anyway they're just hey this good thing happened and it you know there's no a trump so much trump yeah there's no association whatsoever with the actions that actually kicked it off because it was way far in the past and they're not paying attention anyway. But you're absolutely right. Like there are other certain actions of the kind you mentioned, like lots of federal layoffs or, you know, institute a tariff right today. All these kinds of things are going to have impacts very quickly.
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Ivan:
[1:10:31]
| Yes. Right away.
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Sam:
[1:10:34]
| And so, yes, you're going to get some pain there. But, you know, and we haven't talked much about like the budget negotiations and all that crap, but, It's going to be very tough for them, you know?
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Ivan:
[1:10:47]
| And then they talk about deficit reduction, right?
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Sam:
[1:10:53]
| Well, barely.
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Ivan:
[1:10:54]
| Can you explain to me how the hell we're going to reduce the deficit if we're all going to get a check?
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Sam:
[1:11:01]
| All of the proposals, both House and Senate, will raise the deficit. And that's before we even talk about what you just mentioned. There's a proposal on the table to send out checks to all Americans I've heard as much as $5,000.
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Ivan:
[1:11:17]
| Yes I have to all Americans.
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Sam:
[1:11:22]
| To give them the benefit of the stuff that Elon is canceling with his.
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Ivan:
[1:11:28]
| Dodge effort.
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Sam:
[1:11:30]
| Doge doge I'm saying it wrong.
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Ivan:
[1:11:32]
| Give them the benefit I don't understand this they're using Visa to pay MasterCard what the fuck is wrong with these people, we're already borrowing that money so you're going to borrow the money now to go and fucking like give us more checks just to give us wait to give us wait the thing is we had economic stimulus checks before because people wrote unemployment whatever blah blah blah no they're saying that these are hey we're giving you checks of our savings but they're borrowing money to give us checks of our savings yeah.
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Sam:
[1:12:05]
| Well, presumably the checks are less than the actual savings, although I'm not sure that's true because everything we've heard so far.
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Ivan:
[1:12:12]
| The savings that they say because it's all. Yeah. Well, well, well, the thing is that that that what's his name is purporting that he's going to come up with two trillion worth of savings.
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Sam:
[1:12:26]
| Right. The five thousand dollars is presumably based on actually getting the two trillion.
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Ivan:
[1:12:29]
| And then that $2 trillion turns into 25% of that $500 billion is handed out of checks. But look, here's the thing. Here's the reality. They may just say, because, you know, they'll cook the books in whatever way to show these $2 trillion in shavings. Shavings?
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Sam:
[1:12:49]
| Shavings?
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Ivan:
[1:12:50]
| Shavings? We're talking like Sean Carter right now. We'll shine.
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Sam:
[1:12:54]
| You keep the little bowl of everything you've shaved off your face in the last year, right?
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Ivan:
[1:12:58]
| Oh, my God.
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Sam:
[1:12:59]
| That's what we're talking about.
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Ivan:
[1:13:00]
| Don't be so disgusting. Anyway, there's a shaming that they're proposing. And so they're going to cook the books. They're going to say that they saved $2 trillion. Then we're going to give a check on the 25%, which is $500 billion, which winds up basically putting a massive, bigger hole in the deficit and sending us checks for whatever the hell damn reason. You know, and a whole bunch of morons because they're going to be signed by Donald Trump and probably Elon Musk, too, as far as I I'm sure that it'll be signed to Donald Trump, Elon Musk, you know, savings, whatever. OK, and then and then everybody look, you see, Elon Musk sent me a check.
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Sam:
[1:13:45]
| Yes, exactly. like okay and and you know in in that interview like uh after he lost you know biden specifically said hey you know i probably screwed up by not signing the damn checks you know because he went back to normal which is the check is signed by like the secretary of the treasury or something you know and he's like i should have signed the damn checks yeah so that people would because They got checks from me! Yes, because all kinds of people thought that Donald Trump was personally sending them checks. You know, when in fact, the checks were being sent out in many cases based on laws the Democrats had passed that the Republicans didn't want.
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Ivan:
[1:14:27]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:14:28]
| You know, but Donald Trump signed the check. And so, yes, the one other Trump related thing I wanted to mention is we were talking about all like, oh, he's doing all the Russian talking points. So this once again brings us to the what the fuck is up with Donald and Putin? you know because and so.
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Ivan:
[1:14:47]
| People have well before we go back to that hold the donald point because there is one thing that i wanted to talk about in terms of the taxation and that budget and that budget issue which we keep talking about i had pulled up some data before that i hadn't like talked about on the show i shared on the slack specifically related to you know what is our issue why is the deficit at two trillion dollars right now and look it's it's purely related to the fact that the republicans have cut taxes in a crazy way especially to the wealthiest and corporations there is just there there is just nothing and you see it in terms of our economy how it's grown in the last decade the economy in the last decade has added is went from about 15 to 16 trillion dollars about 26 you know 26 25 26 added about 10 trillion worth of it you know of a GDP to the economy.
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Ivan:
[1:15:40]
| And during that time period, the taxes only rose by, even though it was like a 50%, over 50% growth on the economy, the taxes only grew by less than 10%. We only added like about, you know, a few hundred billion in revenue, which makes no sense whatsoever. Okay. That pretty much means that we're just, you know, we have been just cutting taxes to so many companies. Warren Buffett today, basically, just flat out called every other corporation. They just announced their profits. He just announced that they had record profits, but also that they paid more. They actually, Berkshire Hathaway, paid 5% of the corporate taxes in America paid last year.
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Ivan:
[1:16:22]
| Berkshire Hathaway, one fucking company. OK, and and that just shows you how fucked up the corporate taxation system is in the United States. And the thing is that he went and purposely did as little as possible to avoid taxes. OK, because if he had, he probably could have paid zero. But he said, fuck it, because, you know, one thing that Ruben Gallego was actually talking about, which I'm actually agreeing on him on this, is that a couple of people, and Mark Andreessen said this, but his conclusion is a different one. I got a lot of people on the left that vilify every business and every corporation, blah, blah, blah, that everybody is a crook. Every rich person is a crook and every corporate company is a crook. The one thing that they do do is that they alienate certain people that actually are advocating for the same shit that they are and just calling them crooks. Look, you want to like, you know, you want to say that most of them are crooked like this? Absolutely. But you also have to recognize that a number of them are your allies in this and not shit all over them, okay? People like Michael Bloomberg, people like Warren Buffett, people like Bill Gates, they want that. They're trying to help. Don't shit on the people that are also trying to help. Don't shit on people that are rich and are saying, hey, I should be taxed more.
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Sam:
[1:17:49]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:17:49]
| I my my tax rate at that rate should be 90 percent. They're trying to help you stop shitting on them. And also the other thing that Runga you actually said, which I do agree with, even though some of the stuff is great with is that a lot of poor people actually want to be rich. So when you vilify every rich person, they're like, but I want to be rich, too. You know, that's the American dream.
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Sam:
[1:18:13]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:18:14]
| I want to be rich. And I'm like, you know, and he's right. And I'm like, you know, I'm one that doesn't care if they vilify people that make a lot of money. I'm like, even though, you know, many times I've fallen into that group, I'm just like, you know, look, I don't care. Because I know that a lot of stuff they're right, they may be lumping everybody into the group. But the problem is that there are so many of them, so many people that make a lot of money that are fucking shitheads that I get why they will take the product rush and just, you know, pay it over everybody. OK, I get it. I understand why they're angry. But I don't I don't think that's working. And by the way, I'm remembering that Clinton. That was a big change that they did from campaigning in the 80s towards a campaign in the 90s of work at Clinton is that he had stopped doing that to a certain extent. And so we need to gain allies across the spectrum everywhere, and we can't just be just in a situation where we are right now taking people that because they fit into certain economic group or something or whatever, just shitting on them right now when they're actively trying to help.
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Sam:
[1:19:27]
| This goes more to the general Democratic issue with pure, with like, you know, if.
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Ivan:
[1:19:36]
| Well, it happens in the Republic. So let's not think this is a political purity, you know, purity testing that's going on lately.
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Sam:
[1:19:42]
| Specifically the notion that like, hey, if you disagree with us on anything, you're out.
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Ivan:
[1:19:49]
| Fuck you. Yeah.
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Sam:
[1:19:49]
| Fuck you. You're out. Like, you know, there's not the real, okay, we agree on 70%. We can fight about that 30%, but let's, let's move forward together on the 70, you know, and that that's, it's hard right now. There's, I mean, and look, there's certainly a lot of people who are after the consensus. I don't want to say that, but there, there are key elements of people. And, you know, the typical example we've used over and over again, the last couple months is the people who refuse to vote for Harris because of Gaza.
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Ivan:
[1:20:24]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:20:25]
| Um, you know, this does not help, you know, you, you, you gotta look at the, you gotta look at the full picture and yes, I understand you think the position is bad on policy X, but you gotta look at everything and you have to look at what the policy of the opposition is.
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Ivan:
[1:20:43]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:20:44]
| You, you know, I, I saw someone put it that said, okay, so you, you argue like it's not true, but you argued that Trump and Harris were exactly the same on Gaza.
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Ivan:
[1:20:58]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:20:59]
| You know, okay, assume that is true. At best, that takes that issue off the table because they're equivalent. So now you have to look at everything else.
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Ivan:
[1:21:09]
| So then vote on everything else.
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Sam:
[1:21:10]
| Right. You can't just say no overall. Okay. The one other thing I was going to say, I said I wanted to share a piece of misinformation.
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Ivan:
[1:21:21]
| You were going to talk about the Russia-Putin-Trump thing.
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Sam:
[1:21:26]
| Because once again, people are like, what's going on with Trump? And he's so subservient to Russia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And of course, we don't have to regurgitate the whole thing. But we had a Mueller report that, despite the spin that was put on it, showed a lot of improper connections between Trump and Russia in the campaign season. We had a bipartisan Senate report that also talked about all kinds of improper Russia stuff during the 2016 election cycle, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. However, all that stuff aside. There is a new report today, yesterday, yesterday, in the Daily Mirror coming out of the UK. Now, by the way, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Yvonne, the Mirror is tabloid trash, isn't it? Like, they're not known for, like...
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Ivan:
[1:22:16]
| I thought the Mirror was owned by the Murdochs.
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Sam:
[1:22:18]
| Check that. Like, is it owned by the... That would be interesting. Anyway, but it's... My understanding is the Mirror is not known for due diligence in journalism.
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Ivan:
[1:22:28]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[1:22:29]
| Am I wrong? I'm not fully up on the nuances between different British publications. I'll be honest there.
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Ivan:
[1:22:42]
| Let's see.
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Sam:
[1:22:43]
| The Mirror.
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Ivan:
[1:22:44]
| Daily Mirror.
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Sam:
[1:22:45]
| What's the verdict?
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Ivan:
[1:22:46]
| British, founded out of the Mirror, is owned by Raj VLC, Massa, Simply the Mirror, Sister Suba, Sunday Mirror, actually, no, I guess it's not owned by political alignment. and labor. Okay, so they are on the left.
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Sam:
[1:23:02]
| So they're leftish.
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Ivan:
[1:23:03]
| Originally pitched to the middle class readers converted into a working class newspaper in 1934. The baby went through a protective period of crisis or death, blah, blah, blah. Nothing says that.
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Sam:
[1:23:14]
| Is it reputable or is it like the National Enquirer kind of trash?
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Ivan:
[1:23:19]
| As far as I can tell, it is, reputable.
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Sam:
[1:23:24]
| Okay. Well, I haven't seen this anywhere else, and they're only citing one story.
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Ivan:
[1:23:28]
| I confused Murdoch. I'm sorry. The Mirror was owned by Robert Maxwell. That's why. And they went through a very big crisis after he died because, I mean, Robert Maxwell was his, okay, Robert Maxwell's, Ghislaine Maxwell's dad, who is Epstein's, you know, Paramore, I guess. I don't know what the hell to call her.
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Sam:
[1:23:55]
| She acquired young girls for him.
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Ivan:
[1:23:56]
| Yes. who is in jail right now, right?
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Sam:
[1:24:00]
| I believe so.
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Ivan:
[1:24:01]
| So, yeah. But as far as I can tell, it's a regular paper.
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Sam:
[1:24:06]
| Okay, so they, and I am prefacing this by saying I've seen this nowhere else, and it's misinformation, and it's not backed up by anything other than a single person's accusation anyway. So take that with what you will. It is probably misinformation, and it's of the same level of quality as you probably had in, what was that stupid report? What was the stupid report called? The one with the first product, the pee tape and everything? Oh uh the dossier the steel the steel dossier right which which i think that consensus in the end was there's some aspects of truth sprinkled throughout it but also lots of clearly false stuff and that it probably was done specifically as russian misinformation about trump and russia to weaken trump in office seems to be what was actually happening there but anyway their their headline from yesterday, from February 21st. Donald Trump was recruited by KGB with codename Krasnov claims ex-Soviet spy. Former chairman of Kazakhstan's National Security Committee.
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Sam:
[1:25:19]
| Alnur Musayev, claims the Soviet KGB recruited Donald Trump before the collapse of the USSR, assigning him the alias Krasnov. And it goes on a little bit more with basically this guy who apparently was related to KGB at various points in Kazakhstan and in Moscow. He did counter intelligence, blah, blah, blah. So he's saying this. He was, let's see, he made another allegation in a social media post today, or I guess yesterday, for sometime this week. The personal file of resident Krasnov has been removed from the FSB. It is being privately managed by one of Putin's close associates.
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Ivan:
[1:26:07]
| Anyway, I don't know, but this is obviously one source, no confirmation, but, but, but there is one thing that we.
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Sam:
[1:26:13]
| Here's the thing, here's the, here's the thing, just, just like the Steele dossier, I could easily see this being Russian propaganda in and of itself, whether or not Donald is actually has some sort of relationship, it's in Russia's interests to spread the notion that maybe he is.
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Ivan:
[1:26:34]
| Now here, I, I, I, I, this is what, this is what, what, this is what, what, what, what would make sense. One of the things that I did here that in, in the recent call with, with, Putin, that a lot of the stuff that was being dangled in front of Trump was dollars. Basically, oh, you guys are going to make so much money because if you get rid of the sanctions, go back into Russia and then you'll make a killing. And I mean, look, he had been looking at he has been looking at so many deals with like name and buildings and real estate and things like right now that whatever. I mean, obviously, all he sees are dollar signs in front of him, which incent him to do all of this stuff. And then you plant the story where you get him to follow your talking points. You dangle a ton of money in front of him. And then you dangle this other story that basically says, yeah, this is because we control him for like since the last 30, 40 years. It completely plays into, you know, he's so easily manipulable and gullible that then we can also undermine him by doing.
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Sam:
[1:27:41]
| Absolutely. This ties in completely. And we had reached this conclusion and talked about it on the show before the Mueller report was released that the most likely explanation for everything is not is useful. Idiot. It is not. Trump is a knowing paid Russian spy or anything like that. It is useful. Idiot. It is he is easily manipulated and easily convinced.
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Ivan:
[1:28:06]
| We'll send a Russian to buy his house in Palm Beach for $100 million. It was only worth $30 million.
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Sam:
[1:28:12]
| And also, by the way, just a natural alignment. He likes the authoritarian. He likes his dictators.
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Ivan:
[1:28:20]
| He likes his. He loves his dictators. Loves his dictators.
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Sam:
[1:28:23]
| Not just Putin. There isn't a dictator he doesn't love. Exactly. Not just Putin. He loves his dictators. He thinks that the way Putin runs things is awesome. He, like, aspires to be like that.
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Ivan:
[1:28:35]
| That's what he's trying to do now in the U.S. He wants to run the U.S. Modeled, exactly patterned after how Putin runs Russia.
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Sam:
[1:28:45]
| And that guy in Hungary, too, and a few others. But yes.
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Ivan:
[1:28:49]
| But Orban, it's not. No, no, no. It's Putin. Look, it's not. Listen, Orban's economy is a lot smaller. He doesn't have the economic influence that Putin has or reputation that Putin has. It's Putin. His idol is Putin.
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Sam:
[1:29:08]
| I think it all comes down to natural alignment of interests and useful idiots. And even if they did give him a code name and all of this kind of stuff.
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Ivan:
[1:29:20]
| Like, like he was like.
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Sam:
[1:29:21]
| It could be a code name for this manipulation. You know, it's right.
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Ivan:
[1:29:25]
| That's what they coded the name for it. Yeah.
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Sam:
[1:29:27]
| It's not. I think recruited implies something else that I don't, I still don't believe right now, despite everything. I don't believe that like, you know, Trump is actually like every day just explicitly being like, oh, yeah, Putin's my boss and he pays me like on a monthly basis a regular stipend to do what he wants. You know, no, it's more complicated than that. But this anyway, I just thought this it was interesting, this article coming out now in the mirror. OK, let's take a break. and then one last thing and i'm gonna like i said i'm gonna shift gears directly or completely no politics but instead a topic that bruce requested that we talk about on the episode after and we just haven't so i think.
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Sam:
[1:30:20]
| Well bruce was bruce took over it's just hemorrhoids no not not hemorrhoids oh okay okay we'll talk about it after we get back here's another break It's a wiki of the day. Enjoy. Okay, before the real topic, there have been trumpets.
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Ivan:
[1:32:39]
| It's not hemorrhoids.
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Sam:
[1:32:40]
| It's not hemorrhoids.
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Ivan:
[1:32:42]
| But while we've been- Well, by the way, I was going to just say, we're not experts on it.
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Sam:
[1:32:46]
| No. You know, it- I'm an expert on it.
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Ivan:
[1:32:52]
| We could bring up the- I don't have them. I don't have them. I'm just saying I'm not an expert.
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Sam:
[1:32:55]
| We could bring up the Wikipedia page and spend the next half hour talking about it.
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Ivan:
[1:32:59]
| We could read it?
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Sam:
[1:33:01]
| We could read it. We could discuss it. Like, read a paragraph, discuss our thoughts.
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Ivan:
[1:33:05]
| You know um well.
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Sam:
[1:33:09]
| Let's see uh h e hemorrhoid okay i i i could uh make a wiki of the day on.
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Ivan:
[1:33:17]
| Yes there you go great uh you did well you had the four nations thing which i i you know uh hockey yeah did you watch i did watch a little bit i did not watch the whole thing because the schedule didn't work for me, but I did share some of the clips of the us getting booed at the anthem by the Canadians. And by the way, after they beat the U, because Donald Trump right now is 0-2 and calling teams ahead of a game and having them lose the big game. He did that to Kansas City before they lost the Super Bowl. He did that to the U.S. team ahead of this, and now they are 0-2, so he has now been called the jinx.
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Sam:
[1:34:01]
| Okay, so to continue, hemorrhoids, also known as piles, are vascular structures in the anal canal. In their normal state, they are cushions that help with stool control. They become a disease when swollen or inflamed. The unqualified term hemorrhoid is often used to refer to the disease. The signs and symptoms of hemorrhoids depend on the type present. Internal hemorrhoids often result in painless, bright red rectal bleeding when defecating. External hemorrhoids often result in pain and swelling in the area of the anus. If bleeding occurs, it is usually darker. Symptoms frequently get better after a few days. A skin tag may remain after the healing of an external hemorrhoid.
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Ivan:
[1:34:51]
| I think we've never used the word anus. I don't think we've ever used the word anus as often on this show.
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Sam:
[1:34:58]
| I don't know why not. You know, we could do more with that.
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Ivan:
[1:35:04]
| I guess. I take it that's not what Bruce asked. What did Bruce ask him?
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Sam:
[1:35:10]
| No, Bruce specifically, the show that he co-hosted a few weeks back was the day the plane and the helicopter crashed in D.C. And he was like, I really want to hear Yvonne's thoughts on this. Now, since then.
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Ivan:
[1:35:26]
| And then we had another.
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Sam:
[1:35:27]
| Yeah, since then, we had that Learjet crash in Philly and we had this one in Toronto that landed upside down. Now and and then a host of other private plane crashes but private planes crash all the time they've been so they've been they've been highlighted the last couple weeks more often than normal right people are looking out for plane crashes but frankly small private planes if you crash all the day if you're paying attention there's probably two or three of them every week.
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Ivan:
[1:35:54]
| Yes it is so you know it is such a common occurrence that private private plane crashes.
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Sam:
[1:36:00]
| Oh there was a private aviation there was that other one that like some like member of motley cruise plane or something crashed in arizona too but that's also a private plane but it's also a private plane the the bigger private planes crash a little bit less often than the small ones but the two big not that even.
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Ivan:
[1:36:17]
| Not that much less often i mean it's look general aviation in general is way way way way way way way more dangerous than commercial aviation.
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Sam:
[1:36:29]
| Okay that.
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Ivan:
[1:36:29]
| That's just a fact. And yeah, I mean, I share occasionally some clips from this YouTuber that goes in detail and analyzes general aviation accidents on a regular basis. I'm using him because unfortunately, I used to watch another guy from the Airline Airplane Pilots Association, and he used to do that kind of analysis. Unfortunately, he died himself.
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Sam:
[1:36:54]
| In a plane crash?
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Ivan:
[1:36:55]
| In a plane crash, yes. On a general aviation plane crash himself, yes. He was, he was the guy that did all the safety videos for them for years. And he died. A couple of years ago. And so they have been doing some now at AOPA, but it's not the same guy that they had before. He wasn't as good. And there is this guy called one Brown, whose YouTube channel is called Blanco Lerio, who is a triple seven pilot. He also was, if I remember correctly, he was a accident investigator in the military. Okay. When he was in the, when he, because he flew when he flew in the military. And so he does a lot of this. So he covers a lot of these general aviation accidents. And so if you watch his channel and you just go to his YouTube, you will see how many he has covered over the last couple of years of these small general aviation accidents that happened just all the freaking time. But talking about the one in D.C. specifically.
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Sam:
[1:38:02]
| Yeah, let's do the two commercial ones.
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Ivan:
[1:38:04]
| Yeah, because that's why I'm like, just the general aviation ones are just, you know, forget it. Say that there's not a lot, there's not more of them. It's noise. It doesn't really. The two commercial ones are two accidents that happen with very different factors involved. You know, in D.C.
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Sam:
[1:38:27]
| Let's do D.C. first.
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Ivan:
[1:38:29]
| The issue in D.C. is that that airspace is very, very crowded. There is a helicopter, basically an air route that actually goes right just under where the airspace that leads to Runway 33 at National. Okay. And one of the things I have seen, it isn't uncommon for helicopter traffic to go around airports, to go fly either above it, because if you fly high enough above, it doesn't matter if you're flying straight above the airport. I mean, it doesn't really impact operations. Many times they will get clearance if they're going to cross at an altitude that may impact aviation. they'll get that. Now, in the case of the one in DC, they have this air route where they basically specify that military aircraft they can go through there as long as they stay under 200 feet. Problem is that, That, that's very difficult, especially in the type of aircraft they were operating and also with the equipment that they were using.
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Sam:
[1:39:40]
| You're talking the helicopter.
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Ivan:
[1:39:41]
| Yes, the helicopter, because the helicopter is the one that needs to stay clear of the commercial aircraft. Now, you're having a plane, it's coming in for a landing, it's a national to the main runway. They asked them to circle to runway 33. That happens normally because it was a spacing issue. If they came in, they may have to wind up doing a go around because the runway, I believe somebody was lining up to take off. They wanted to have them lined up so that way you could have that plane land. And then the other one took off and the traffic flow goes a lot faster. And it's very common for them to get requests to go around to that runway instead of landing on the one that they were set up for. They were just coming in for the landing. And look, the helicopter was flying through the airspace. They did not stay at the the altitude that they were supposed to be at they it's pretty clear that they misidentified the air traffic and a large part of that is they were told.
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Sam:
[1:40:42]
| To look out for the plane visually and.
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Ivan:
[1:40:44]
| They saw a wrong plane and they confirmed several times that they had the traffic in sight we have to traffic in sight but the problem was that they were doing this exercise using those damn night vision goggles in the city. And look, I don't understand why the hell they were.
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Sam:
[1:41:02]
| Was it a specific training?
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Ivan:
[1:41:04]
| It was training.
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Sam:
[1:41:04]
| It was training on how to use the night vision goggles.
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Ivan:
[1:41:07]
| They weren't doing a training on it. They were doing a check ride. Every once in a while, you have to do a ride to certify your proficiency. So this was one of those rides, okay, where they were doing that. But the reality is that those damn goggles have a lot of, They have a lot of drawbacks, okay? Number one, you're wearing them in an environment like a city that is so lit up. There's so much light that it starts washing out everything, okay? Number one. Number two, peripheral vision with those damn things is very limited. It really severely restricts your peripheral vision, okay? Number three, your depth perception gets fucked up with those things as well. So when you're looking at three airplanes that are up in the air and you're trying to pick which one it is, they 100% convinced that they were looking at this aircraft that was way further out. Well, it was the one that was like right there, but it was probably in a blind spot. This helicopter also has a lot of the windows aren't like these wide, expansive windows. They had a lot of blind spots in them.
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Ivan:
[1:42:21]
| Yeah, it is an older helicopter. It had a lot of blind spots. And on top of that, this wasn't like the latest fucking version of this helicopter. They didn't have ADS-B. They weren't using it. At the altitude, they were in under 500 feet. There were some TCAS warnings. But unfortunately, TCAS, which is Traffic Collision and Avoidance System, usually at above over 1,000 feet, it will tell both aircraft, hey, go, hey, you know, turn left, turn right, go, go, you know, climb, descend. And so it will tell, and you follow the directions of the TCAS. Because the TCAS will talk to each other and they'll tell one plane to climb and the other one to descend. So that way they're not both going in the same way.
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Sam:
[1:42:59]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:42:59]
| Under a thousand feet, you can't, TCAS is disabled. It will give you a warning that there's traffic.
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Sam:
[1:43:05]
| I mean, fundamentally, the problem is you can't tell.
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Ivan:
[1:43:07]
| You can't tell a plane to descend if they're already at 350 feet. What are you going to do? Where are they going? So that's the problem. And that helicopter, because it was one of the older helicopters, that one was a completely analog. Helicopter there's no no no fancy like altitude like you know something to hold altitude specifically at two feet with automatic they have none of that okay so look a hundred foot deviation flying by hand is not is not out of the ordinary now the one thing is that and they they actually right now finally stopped helicopter traffic from going through there there had been a history of close calls on that route with the helicopters and the damn planes coming way too close there have been hundreds of them okay of close encounters there that was just a stupid route to be flying it was it was unfortunately flown at night it was flown with the damn night vision goggles.
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Ivan:
[1:44:14]
| You know, so you had a whole bunch of hindrances. It was a helicopter that wasn't the latest, greatest, most sophisticated one. And another thing is just a question of, you know, just bad luck of timing. I mean, they just literally just came together at that exact same moment that they crossed through there. And probably a hundred other times, you know, they don't exactly.
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Sam:
[1:44:38]
| It would just be another entry on the list of close calls.
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Ivan:
[1:44:41]
| Close calls. Yep. But this time they were right there at the exact time at the exact moment and they hit and the helicopter hit them and and the guys on the American Airlines flight didn't even have a chance of react. They had they had no they didn't know what the fuck happened. They just had no they they now.
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Sam:
[1:45:01]
| Although I think the if I remember right the the the the cockpit recorder did.
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Ivan:
[1:45:08]
| There was a warning.
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Sam:
[1:45:09]
| They knew there was traffic. They knew like half a second in advance or something.
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Ivan:
[1:45:12]
| But no, no, but they knew that. But listen, they knew there was traffic.
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Sam:
[1:45:15]
| Right. But I mean, specifically, like, correct me if I'm wrong. I thought the data showed that they didn't have enough.
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Ivan:
[1:45:22]
| They got a TCAS warning.
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Sam:
[1:45:23]
| They had enough time to try to react. They tried to actually change the plane's attitude, but it was too late. They couldn't do it.
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Ivan:
[1:45:30]
| It was too late. Yeah. Well, it wasn't just, it was just not enough time. But they got a TCAS warning. But the problem is that it was one of those TCAS warnings.
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Sam:
[1:45:37]
| It doesn't tell you what to do.
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Ivan:
[1:45:38]
| Exactly. And, you know, it's not like airline pilots expect that on final, you know, I, you, you prepare for so many things. You're not, you're not expecting another airplane to hit you when you're like at 350 feet about the land. That's not what you're, you're at that point. You're just, you know, you're cruising, you're comfy, you're coming in now. Yeah, we're going to land. No problem. Boom, boom, boom.
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Sam:
[1:46:04]
| Now you, you, before moving on to Toronto, you met, you mentioned that you know, being off by a hundred feet when you're doing it manually is, uh, is not uncommon, is not uncommon, but would you say this still is probably, is there, are they going to pin this on pilot error of the helicopter in the end or is there, or there's systematic things here that.
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Ivan:
[1:46:27]
| Well, there is a systematic issue with the fact that, I mean, that corridor, that was just way too narrow a margin of clearance between that route for the helicopters.
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Sam:
[1:46:40]
| But they're still going to conclude the pilot fucked up.
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Ivan:
[1:46:43]
| Yeah, they're going to conclude the pilot fucked up because they were supposed to be at 200 feet or under and they were over 100 feet above. But what I'm saying is that, Pilots committing errors, 100 plus minus feet on occasion, okay, flying manually is typical. It happens, okay?
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Ivan:
[1:47:04]
| You know, that's not, you know, that isn't like, that is, you know, it is something that you plan for, basically, that, you know, you're going in an altitude and you're going at 2,000 feet, 3,000 feet. I mean, there's a reason why we keep aircraft a thousand foot separation, okay? Minimum separation flying a cruise is a thousand feet and it's there for a reason because if you did a hundred feet you know look planes would be crashing into each other regularly okay that's just you know that's why it's a thousand feet a thousand feet is good enough that any pilot being plus or minus a hundred feet whatever because they fucked I mean because there's so many reasons you could have a hundred feet deviation hell you forgot to change your barometric pressure on the altimeter that'll fuck you up by a hundred feet There's been so many crashes that have been predicated on a mistake that has been that, you know, hey, you had a minimum descent altitude, okay, that you had to be over. They crossed it and they had their, this is an accident, I remember, and they had set the barometric pressure incorrectly. And so when they did so, you take that they went below, but then you add the error from the altitude, boom, they crashed. And so it's, you know, that's why you keep a thousand feet.
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Ivan:
[1:48:23]
| That separation was that they had on that route made no sense. And also error on the part of them. I keep saying there is no justification for doing that kind of night vision training.
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Sam:
[1:48:40]
| Certification, whatever it was.
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Ivan:
[1:48:41]
| Or, you know, exactly on that route at that location. You're not flying into a fucking city with night vision goggles for the most part, that is a possible military mission if the power is not cut off you're going into a city where power has been cut off and you use night vision goggles sure, but a city that is lit up when I look the one time I got fucking lost flying, was flying at night with all the damn city lights over Indianapolis, okay? Me and my instructor, we were heading to Indianapolis International Airport, and with the damn city lights, we got confused where the fuck we were, okay? And it got to a point, it was bad, it was so bad. Look, we stayed at, now we stayed at altitude. We stayed at 2,000, 3,000 feet. Because we're like, I can't see this fucking airport. Where the fuck is this airport? And embarrassingly enough, we got on the radio and called the tower and said, Hey, can you tell us where the hell we are? And all of a sudden we get told you're flying right over the airfield.
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Sam:
[1:49:52]
| You couldn't see it because it was under you.
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Ivan:
[1:49:54]
| Yes. But that's how bad we misjudged it, that it got lost in the city lights so bad that we approached it and flew over it and we couldn't make it out. And so that's the reason why you don't fucking use those damn night vision goggles when what they will do with all that lights is wash out everything. Looking at a damn city.
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Sam:
[1:50:17]
| I want to move on to Toronto real quick before we wrap up the show. But first, a public service announcement. This is important. And you can take this either as a hint of where you want to go look or as a hint of something to avoid based on your own personal preferences. Okay? And I just want to say that that Wikipedia page I was reading about hemorrhoids has quite a few close-up pictures of anuses with hemorrhoids. So, again, depending on your personal preferences.
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Ivan:
[1:50:55]
| Okay, so you probably don't want to look it up at work.
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Sam:
[1:50:57]
| Well, probably not at work, but depending on your personal preferences, maybe this is like.
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Ivan:
[1:51:03]
| You're not going to go there at all.
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Sam:
[1:51:05]
| Well, but maybe there's some people who are like, oh, wow, I want to go investigate that resource. Or perhaps you'll want to avoid it.
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Ivan:
[1:51:17]
| You're giving a warning.
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Sam:
[1:51:19]
| I am giving. yeah well this is.
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Ivan:
[1:51:22]
| A content warning.
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Sam:
[1:51:23]
| Well no no it's it's only a warning for the people who don't want to see it that's what i'm saying yeah for the people who do want to see it it's advice you know it is a nice place you can go see if you want this kind of content oh.
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Ivan:
[1:51:35]
| God jesus christ okay i'm like that was a mistake.
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Sam:
[1:51:39]
| I i was gonna say like personally i'm on the i would have preferred if i had not scrolled down on that page i.
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Ivan:
[1:51:47]
| Yeah i yeah god okay yeah let's not scroll down.
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Sam:
[1:51:51]
| On that page again ever okay vaude with that out of the way what happened in toronto oh and by the way i should say right up front important difference between these two crashes in dc everybody everyone died in toronto everyone lived yes remarkably but everyone lived some some significant injuries but like everyone lived.
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Ivan:
[1:52:16]
| So toronto was a delta flight that was arriving at toronto international airport and it was in a stabilized approach all the way up until right before landing okay or it seemed like it was in a completely stable approach you you look at the data they weren't like descending too hard or so forth they seem to be on the glide They seem to be going there. The winds were gusty. Okay. Nothing that a commercial airline pilot doesn't regularly see. But what the data showed, what seemed to happen near the end, is that near the end, the descent rate accelerated right as it was about to land. And you didn't see a flare on the plane. So basically a flare. OK, so as you're landing, you usually kind of like in a little bit of a on a small plane, you're kind of at a down nose approach. But you keep your nose down on the plane. You slow down to your approach speed. You usually approach about 130, 150 knots. You're going, you got your flaps extended. And so you're slowing down. The plane is coming down gently, gently, gently about to land. And just like as you're around 50 feet, all of a sudden you actually pull the nose up a little bit to slow down the rate of descent. So you come down nice and gently. Okay. All right. That's basically what you're doing. So this airplane, as it arrived.
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Sam:
[1:53:35]
| And by the way, if you've played with a flight simulator of any kind on your computer or your console or whatever, you yeah that's part of what you do if you want a successful landing but.
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Ivan:
[1:53:46]
| Most people fail on the simulator because most people that are just playing with it just playing on it usually just slam the damn planes on the runway.
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Sam:
[1:53:53]
| Well yeah most people are playing like and look to get that right and the planes.
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Ivan:
[1:53:57]
| Can take a big hit by the way.
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Sam:
[1:53:58]
| Because I've slammed.
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Ivan:
[1:54:00]
| The plane on the runway.
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Sam:
[1:54:00]
| Accidentally and if you're playing in the simulator like that like landing is a lot harder than taking off way harder It is a lot harder than flying.
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Ivan:
[1:54:12]
| Any idiot could do the takeoff. Landing is where you make your money.
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Sam:
[1:54:17]
| And even flying straight and level is pretty easy, too.
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Ivan:
[1:54:20]
| It's pretty damn easy, too. Yes.
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Sam:
[1:54:22]
| And on the flight simulators, you can learn how to do various stunts and survive. And like, you know, but landing is hard.
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Ivan:
[1:54:30]
| Landing right is hard.
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Sam:
[1:54:33]
| Like, I mean, I've played with flight simulators for years and years and years, not every day or anything. and I can land successfully, but still probably like a significant portion of my attempts fail.
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Ivan:
[1:54:46]
| And it probably, if it were a real plane that you were landing, most of the people on the plane would be coming off the plane quite angry.
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Sam:
[1:54:53]
| Yes, yes. If they came off the plane alive.
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Ivan:
[1:54:56]
| If they came off the plane alive, yes.
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Sam:
[1:54:58]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:54:59]
| Okay. So it seemed like, as I was mentioning, you know, the plane is coming in for its landing. Approach speed looks fine. They were configured for a landing. But right as they neared, like, less than 100 feet, the sink rate accelerated, okay? And so speculation has been that because you're looking at the speed that they were approaching at, because of the strong gusts, that maybe they hadn't added enough extra speed to compensate for the fact that because the winds are gusty, all of a sudden, the wind could slow down. And if the wind slows down all of a sudden at the wrong moment and you had not added enough extra thrust.
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Ivan:
[1:55:40]
| The plane will just drop like a rock, okay? And that's what it seemed like happened. All of a sudden, near the end of the approach, looking at the speed, the speed seemed like it was more like a speed for a normal approach. And the plane all of a sudden came down very, very quickly and well before the normal landing point. And so when the plane came down super quickly, it hit so hard it broke off the right wing and what happened is that the plane cartwheeled because well the left wing was still intact so it was generating lift so it just went and as the plane slid forward that lift that plane that wing still had lift and it flipped the damn plane over just as it was landing fortunately because it was at landing and because they were in a controlled approach, even though they lost a wig and even though the plane flipped over, you know, thankfully nobody, you know, most, most of the people were able to get on off the plane uninjured. Yeah. There are some that had some more severe injuries.
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Sam:
[1:56:53]
| But 18 that ended up in the hospital. And I think like two of them were fairly critical, but you know, but even they are expected to.
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Ivan:
[1:57:01]
| Recover everyone so everyone lived so so yeah i mean i just think that it it looks like i mean from the first stuff that i've seen it may just be that they they misjudged how much speed they needed to add you know because of the strong gusts that there were and there could have been just the wind you know as the wind sometimes does especially in a gusty situation the gust came in picked them up real quick, and then all of a sudden, the wind just died down, and they didn't have enough extra speed on it, and the plane just hit the runway hard. But, well, hard, but look, way harder than normal. I mean, because, look, hard landings happen to everybody. I mean, I've been in commercial planes doing hard landings quite a lot of times. I will say, especially when I was learning to land a plane, believe me, almost every early plane was a hard landing. Every landing was a hard landing. I mean, my instructor was like, at one point, ow! How many of these are we doing? Can you stop just dropping us like a rock on the runway? So it took a while to learn not to do that, okay? You know? So, yeah, you know, hard landings happen.
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Ivan:
[1:58:17]
| But this, all it just seems, it was just a landing that was way harder than normal. And one of the things that, obviously, there's not enough information yet, and we'll see if more information comes up. Whether there was prior damage or repair or something that happened that maybe led to that wing being weaker than it normally would have been. Because there was a recent accident that actually happened with a private plane, I will say, but that came to mind when we were doing this, where it was a private plane that landed very hard and the landing gear on one side failed. OK, and they wound up crashing into another plane that was that was on the tarmac, unfortunately, and killed those people. And when they were going through the records of the aircraft.
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Ivan:
[1:59:09]
| They had found that apparently they had recently had a repair on that on that on that landing gear that failed on landing. So so obviously people are going to be looking at at that information to see whether there was something in the in the history of the repairs of the plane i mean having had repairs that that unfortunately later on came to cause a crash is unfortunately something that does happen it doesn't happen very often but but it it unfortunately is something that has happened in the past so that is something that they will look at or it may have just been that they'd really really hit the runway that damn hard at that moment but but like i said the from the data that we've got.
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Ivan:
[1:59:57]
| Adsb data is the same as the flight recorder data once they get the they don't have that yet once they have that that data pulled up and then we'll look at that of course we don't we never even talked about the jeju air crash in in in south korea like that that happened a while back where that one. Well, we don't know what the hell happened on that one, by the way. This is one of those things. There's a lot of also commercial airline crashes outside North America. North America is one where we just haven't had barely any. But in the rest of the world, I mean, you've got a lot of them too, okay? Far more than in the U.S.
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Ivan:
[2:00:35]
| And, you know, we have so... There are different requirements for airline pilots in the U.S. There's also a, the feed of Air Force pilots, how many are ex-military pilots that turn into commercial pilots is huge in the U.S., okay? And the training standards for our military are superb, okay, for, you know, for pilots, OK, our our military pilots are I can safely argue they are the best trained there. They are the best in the world. And so you get those guys that come off of doing that and, you know, and go straight into commercial aviation that you've got, you know, the level of the average level of pilot. And by the way, the U.S. Also has and has had for many years, due to some earlier accidents, much higher requirements for minimum flight hours for anybody flying commercial.
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Ivan:
[2:01:45]
| In the rest of the world, they will put pilots, a lot of pilots with 500 hours into a co-pilot seat or whatever, you know, in order for them to pick up hours. In the U.S. Many years ago, because of certain incidents that happened, the minimum got raised to like 1,500 hours, if I remember correctly. It's over 1,000. And that is a much, much, you know, that is a much higher threshold than the rest of the world has. Some have argued that that's created a pilot shortage. OK, but at the same time, I truly believe that a big reason why our commercial aviation is that much safer is because that is the level of experience that we demand from anybody behind a, you know, flying a commercial airline.
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Sam:
[2:02:40]
| Do we have better maintenance requirements as well?
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Ivan:
[2:02:42]
| And the maintenance requirements also. We have the maintenance systems, requirements, audits, everything. You know, it's just, yeah.
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Sam:
[2:02:55]
| Yvonne, just to be clear, we're getting regulations.
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Ivan:
[2:02:59]
| Yeah, amazingly enough, huh? Can you believe that?
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Sam:
[2:03:02]
| Oh, well, we're going to get rid of all those anyway.
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Ivan:
[2:03:04]
| Yeah, we'll get rid of all of those and then we're fine.
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Sam:
[2:03:06]
| And we're firing half of all the people who work in those areas anyway. So NTSB, FAA, we don't need those things.
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Ivan:
[2:03:15]
| Yeah, we don't need that shit.
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Sam:
[2:03:17]
| Sorry to distract with the political stuff.
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Ivan:
[2:03:19]
| Yeah, we don't need any of that shit. Regulations. Regulations!
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Sam:
[2:03:23]
| Any other plane crashes you want to review real quick before we wrap this sucker up?
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Ivan:
[2:03:27]
| I'll tell you this. If you guys want to go see a hard landing that didn't cause it a crash, okay? In the Blanco Area Channel, there is one from April 2023. There is a really cool hard landing of a Cargo Lux. If you look up Cargo Lux 747-400 Cablamo. Okay. There is. it's a 747-8 the latest one that has a really, hard fucked up landing that they wind up going around afterwards but it's one of those videos where you're like you want to see a hard landing that's why I'm still wondering if was there some kind of repair on that plane that failed because you look at how hard that plane landed and it still was able to go around, you're like wow so how come this one couldn't Resist that one. So.
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Sam:
[2:04:22]
| Okay. Well, let's wrap this up. Curmudgeons-corner.com. Go there. Find our archives. Find all the ways to contact us. As I said, if you have any career tips for me, you can contact me through the things on Curmudgeons-corner, curmudgeons-corner.com, or go to ablesmay.com slash resume. It has some contact info too.
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Sam:
[2:04:46]
| But yeah all the contact info all the archives transcripts link to our youtube i still haven't linked to tiktok it tiktok is still out there but i i i'm holding off and i'm still posting highlights on tiktok you can find us just search curmudgeon's corner on tiktok i haven't bothered linking it yet though uh because that's not fully resolved well it's back and it's back in the app stores as well, but it's not fully resolved. They still have that 90 day deadline. So we'll see what happens then. I don't know. I basically, I'm just lazy. I don't want to add that. But you know, and but yeah, find all the links to everything, including our Patreon, where you can give us money at various levels. We will mention you on the show, we will send you a postcard. I still have not sent the postcards. We'll send you a mug. I still have not sent the mug. Sorry, folks who I owe those things to, I will eventually, I've been kind of busy and yeah. And at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us, we will invite you to our curmudgeons corner slack where Yvonne and I, and a bunch of listeners are chatting throughout the week, sharing links, all that kind of fun stuff. The more the merrier, please. If you're listening, ask to join. We would love to have you there. Oh, and tell all your friends about the show. Get more people listening, damn it. And follow us on TikTok and YouTube and all that stuff.
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Ivan:
[2:06:07]
| And guys that can donate a million dollars for Patreon. Yeah, they will.
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Sam:
[2:06:12]
| Please, please. It doesn't even have to be a million dollars a month.
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Ivan:
[2:06:16]
| It can be $500,000.
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Sam:
[2:06:18]
| Okay. So Yvonne, any highlights from the Slack this week that will make people really, really want to join us there?
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Ivan:
[2:06:25]
| Any highlights from the Slacker Dome? Let's see. What do we got here? Um, let me see. Let me see.
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Sam:
[2:06:35]
| You're making it sound like this week Slack was a real loser.
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Ivan:
[2:06:39]
| There are things, just I'm not, you know, there's a lot of things. Well, the asteroid.
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Sam:
[2:06:48]
| Ah, yes, the asteroid.
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Ivan:
[2:06:49]
| So, Justin, NASA says that there's now a 3.1% chance an asteroid will hit Earth in 2032, up from 2.6% yesterday. That is the highest risk assessment an asteroid has ever received, surpassing 2.7% in 2004. That's not an Earth killer.
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Sam:
[2:07:03]
| Unfortunately, there's also an update. More recently, since I shared that, the odds have dropped to less than half a percent. But apparently, the odds are increasing of it hitting the moon. instead.
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Ivan:
[2:07:16]
| Oh, what the fuck?
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Sam:
[2:07:18]
| Now, if this thing does hit, I think it's like a quarter of a percent now or something like that.
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Ivan:
[2:07:23]
| But it's not a, this one's not an earth killer.
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Sam:
[2:07:26]
| No, it is. It is a, it is a city killer potentially, but even then they, they actually, they actually were, they're not sure if it'll actually hit the planet at all or not, but apparently they have a good, pretty good idea. If it hits the planet, where it would hit the planet. It, it's a, it's a path that stretches from, from the west coast of South America up through the Atlantic Ocean across the Middle East and into India. And and and northern africa as well i forgot to mention northern africa on the way to the middle east that that's the path that it could hit so even if it did hit there's a significant chance of ocean and if it missed the ocean there's a significant chance of like the middle of the sahara desert or other most of the earth is most.
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Ivan:
[2:08:11]
| Of the earth is water i mean that's the reality that's why you know even though we've gotten hit by these things before the reality is that most the damn earth is war.
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Sam:
[2:08:20]
| Yes. So, well, and most of the land is not cities either.
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Ivan:
[2:08:24]
| It's not city.
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Sam:
[2:08:25]
| Most of the land is land. Most of the and. Most of the land is relatively unpopulated as well because human populations.
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Ivan:
[2:08:32]
| The bland. The clustered shavings. Well, you know, we had that one that hit like Siberia, right? Yeah.
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Sam:
[2:08:39]
| Well, we, the two most famous ones were one in the early 1900s. There was the big one in Siberia that was, you know, really large, it was felt around the world essentially, but then there was an expedition to go find it and found hundreds of square miles of flattened trees and such. And then there was the one from just a few years ago that was a big fireball that impacted in Russia. And there were lots of broken windows and a few injured people, but no one killed. So they happened occasionally, But this was the biggest risk on that risk scale that has been determined so far since they've created it. And we've been doing good asteroid tracking. But it now looks like the odds of it hitting the Earth are dropping. The odds of it hitting the moon are increasing. Last I heard, it was like 1% chance of hitting the moon.
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Ivan:
[2:09:32]
| So when is Elon setting up his moon colony?
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Sam:
[2:09:34]
| And this was like 2032 or something. So not that far in the future when this thing was going to hit. But it's still a much bigger chance that it'll miss both the Earth and the Moon. But, you know.
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Ivan:
[2:09:47]
| So so when is Elon setting up his moon colony so we can just he.
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Sam:
[2:09:51]
| Elon is very much against doing anything with the moon. He wants to go straight to Mars. He's only agreeing to, like, do some moon stuff because NASA is paying him to. But he wants to just go to Mars. But don't worry, things hit Mars all the time, too.
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Ivan:
[2:10:07]
| That's true. I really would like to accelerate his launch to Mars.
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Sam:
[2:10:13]
| His personal launch to Mars.
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Ivan:
[2:10:15]
| Correct. Yes.
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Sam:
[2:10:17]
| He hasn't ever written in his own rockets.
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Ivan:
[2:10:18]
| Now, I know this week, because he was all talking so much smack about the ISS and whatever, Mark Kelly, the astronaut, went on X and said, Listen, you coward. What are you getting on one of your rockets, you freaking coward? This is what we get.
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Sam:
[2:10:31]
| He should have been in that car they launched.
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Ivan:
[2:10:34]
| Yes. That would have been great. Apparently, it's about to crash back into Earth soon.
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Sam:
[2:10:39]
| No, it's not. That was also... It was identified as a list of potential Earth-crossings. Asteroids, but then they determined it was a car, but it doesn't have a...
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Ivan:
[2:10:49]
| No, but I thought that they said that the orbit was also decaying.
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Sam:
[2:10:51]
| It was potential Earth crossing, but it does not. It was ruled out. It's not going to hit the Earth anytime soon.
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Ivan:
[2:10:58]
| No, it won't.
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Sam:
[2:10:59]
| It's one of those where every few years it'll come somewhat close to the Earth, and maybe eventually it'll hit the Earth. But even if it did, it's small enough it would just burn up and re-entry. Okay, we are done here. Thanks everybody for joining us for yet another curmudgeon's corner as usual have fun stay safe blah blah blah tell your friends your friends already you know yeah goodbye bye, Okay, we're out. I'm hitting stop.
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Ivan:
[2:12:01]
| We're out. Stop.
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