Sam:
[0:00]
| Shall we start?
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Ivan:
[0:01]
| Yes.
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Sam:
[0:02]
| Okay. Here it goes. Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Saturday, September 27th, 2025. It is just after two UTC as we're starting to record. I am Zam. I'm Zam. Zam Minter. There's my new name.
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Ivan:
[0:42]
| Zamboni.
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Sam:
[0:43]
| I am Zam a mentor. Yes. Zamboni Minter. And Yvonne Bo is with me. Hello, Yvonne.
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Ivan:
[0:49]
| Hi.
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Sam:
[0:54]
| Once again, you sound tired. I'm tired. Everyone's tired all the time. There's just stuff.
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Ivan:
[1:03]
| It's I mean every day it feels like a bad news buffet I mean and there's no like stopping it okay.
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Sam:
[1:19]
| It's this like.
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Ivan:
[1:21]
| And I don't care what political inclination you have I'm sorry but who likes to go at 1030 at night get messages that there's going to be a 25% tariff on trucks, right? Think about any of these people in the trucking business. Most of them, you know, I'm sure a lot of them are probably conservative. And you hear that buying a new truck for your business is going to cost 25% more money. How the fuck is that making you feel better? Or that your sales of your soybeans have basically collapsed to zero. And then this government is going to bail out the government of another country that has basically taken away our sales of soybeans. I mean, I'm like, you know... I don't know, everything, it's just, every day, it's like.
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Sam:
[2:17]
| Well, this, I mean, remember, I mean, I feel like it's even worse, but we talked about this over and over and over again during the first Trump administration.
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Ivan:
[2:27]
| But it's worse.
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Sam:
[2:28]
| How it was just, it's just nonstop, every day stuff. And some of it is, honestly, most of it is extremely worrying, but it comes in degrees. You have everything ranging from, you know, oh, look, there's the destruction of more civil liberties to, oh, he's paving over to Rose Garden, you know, and everything in between.
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Ivan:
[2:57]
| And everything in between, right. I don't know.
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Sam:
[3:02]
| I mean, we will get to our news segments in a little bit.
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Ivan:
[3:06]
| I'm really, you know, so much about the Tylenol stuff, Just nothing.
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Sam:
[3:13]
| Yes, that was this week as well.
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Ivan:
[3:15]
| I'm going through those like they're candy.
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Sam:
[3:18]
| Oh, yeah. Well, good thing you're not pregnant.
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Ivan:
[3:21]
| Right. Well, maybe I am. Maybe that's the problem. I realize. Okay, let's correct that because maybe you're pregnant. Maybe Trump suggests, of course, idiotically that it could be, you know, the cause of. But there is no problem with taking Tylenol while you're pregnant.
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Sam:
[3:39]
| Right. Except the usual problems with Tylenol that like people have been warning for a while.
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Ivan:
[3:46]
| Yes. If you take a massive. Yeah. But you know, you know what the massive amount is that could cause liver damage on a daily basis. I believe it's 10,000 milligrams or something like that.
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Sam:
[3:58]
| It's something like.
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Ivan:
[3:59]
| It's a ridiculous.
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Sam:
[4:01]
| It's like something like seven times the prescribed dose or something.
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Ivan:
[4:04]
| Correct.
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Sam:
[4:05]
| What it has been criticized for before is of all over-the-counter drugs, the difference between the prescribed dose and the harmful dose is the smallest.
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Ivan:
[4:19]
| Yeah, it's still, dude, seven times the fuck I'm out.
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Sam:
[4:21]
| You still have to take a lot of Tylenol.
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Ivan:
[4:23]
| You still have to be, I mean, you got to be chugging this like it's, you know, it's going out of, you're going out of business. It's crazy.
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Sam:
[4:31]
| I mean, and frankly, like, if you, like, down an entire bottle of Tylenol in an hour...
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Ivan:
[4:38]
| You're trying to kill yourself.
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Sam:
[4:40]
| You know? I mean, they're not... Most drugs are problematic if you, like, are...
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Ivan:
[4:49]
| Everything is problematic in excess, okay?
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Sam:
[4:54]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[4:54]
| You know, so...
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Sam:
[4:57]
| But, yeah, that's entirely different than what was being talked about this time. Yes.
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Ivan:
[5:01]
| Right.
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Sam:
[5:02]
| And, in fact, during pregnancy, it's one of the few painkillers that's actually recommended. The others are more harmful or are actually harmful.
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Ivan:
[5:14]
| Or, right, or could be harmful.
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Sam:
[5:16]
| Yeah. Anyway, so we will get to all of the newsy stuff later. I am, as usual, going to do a couple movies.
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Ivan:
[5:23]
| Do we need to?
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Sam:
[5:24]
| Do we need to do news? we could do an all movie show.
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Ivan:
[5:28]
| I mean you know there's something else we could talk about I mean I don't know man it's so fucking exhausting there are.
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Sam:
[5:40]
| A couple little things I was going to talk about but you know.
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Ivan:
[5:43]
| I'm trying to remember what the hell that I want to talk about I'm trying to fucking remember I think I did make a note somewhere around here let me see hold on see if I forgot, Anything I forgot I thought I wanted to.
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Sam:
[6:01]
| Scintillating listening here.
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Ivan:
[6:03]
| Yvonne Scintillating Oh, I know I'm usually This is how we How we make people happy on our show By looking at how we How we decide How not to talk about shit I don't know What did I do this week? I worked a lot. You know, my wife is working elections again. And so one of the things about that is that I've been basically just having to work and take care of everything at the same time. And most of the days it's not that bad. But what happened is that on Tuesday was a holiday for school.
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Sam:
[6:49]
| Okay.
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Ivan:
[6:49]
| And so all of a sudden, you know, yeah, I don't have the, let me send my son to school. And I, that, you know, that keeps me, you know, I don't have to, I mean, I don't have to be taking care of him. Okay. So, so, so all of a sudden he was here all day. And then I, I regularly try to avoid calls after four o'clock. I just try to, okay. It's not.
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Sam:
[7:18]
| Yeah. Right.
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Ivan:
[7:20]
| It's just, you know, because at that time, you know, it's after school and whatever. So I try to, you know, most of the time, like today, I try to busy myself with other work that I got to stuff, handling presentations, a lot of stuff or whatever. I just want to keep that time to that. But this week, I got flooded with post four o'clock calls, okay?
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Sam:
[7:40]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[7:40]
| And I'm like, and that's okay, usually, because my wife will be here, but she wasn't here. And my son has to do Certain things after four Like I had to take him to To his music class, And then he had, like, his tutoring. And actually, usually it's like, hey, okay, just go to the computer and log on. But for some reason, they changed. The schedule got all mixed up, okay? I forgot. Well, one thing is, I forgot one thing. We had moved one session to Tuesdays at 4. And so at first I said, Manu asked me, hey, so I have work? And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you don't have any. And then I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm getting texted by the person. Oh, shit, that's right. We shifted it to Tuesday at four. So I have to go and like, dude, dude, go, go, go. But I had a conference call starting at the same time. So I'm trying to mute myself over here. I'm chasing him over there. And this happened on several days. Okay. This happened like, you know, the next day, the tutoring session, one of them happened that they changed from, like, using FaceTime to Zoom. The link was not on the invite. We didn't get the invite. He's trying to log in. He can't log in. So I'm trying to, like, hey, what is going on? Where is the link? But I had calls.
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Sam:
[9:10]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[9:11]
| And so, like, so my wife usually at that time, so I'm, like, you know, bouncing in both places. Like, I was just running around like an idiot. and then now you know were.
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Sam:
[9:24]
| These ones where you were just late to the call or were you on the call and supposedly.
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Ivan:
[9:28]
| Paying attention to be on the call all of a sudden i have to mute myself and just go running i get off the computer and i can run back to the call okay gotcha yeah that that kind of call beautiful yeah that was like the stressful part i'm fucking running from one room to the other room and i'm like you know so yeah i think i you know and then you know i had a doctor's appointment i had picked this week also to have listen i picked i i scheduled this weeks and weeks ago okay so i had scheduled weeks and weeks ago where i was doing this thing to my car okay where basically the the reason i'm doing this because i was going to keep the car long okay i decided to buy out the lease and keep my car okay okay and so this i decided no i'm gonna keep this car, like i've done most of my other cars at least six seven years something like that okay i decided i'm gonna do it with this one okay so one of the things i wanted to do is because i drive a lot on the highway and so to protect the paint they sold me on this thing i've seen a lot of people do it they put this paint protection film which is this this this plastic that goes over which by the way is.
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Ivan:
[10:44]
| Very difficult to notice okay it's it's not nearly invisible but that it will protect against small impacts rocks stuff so you won't get the paint damaged or whatever and so i was like okay well i want to do that i'm going to keep the car longer you know i like to take care of i'm very anal about that stuff so of course and this makes it and this makes it actually a lot easier to clean as well because what happens is that anything gets stuck on it a surface it's like super easy to clean as well so so it makes it it makes it cleaning it easier it protects it i'm like okay so great i i want to get this okay from this guy i know in town and so yeah but i i scheduled to drop off the car, to do that this week and my wife is working the elections and then i i and then i had this doctor appointment and then all the shit going on and and i i you know i'm just running around like first i had to drop off the car i had a rental car that i picked up i pick up the rental car go over here year go over there go to the doctor go to the i i was like a hockey puck basically bouncing around the whole damn week okay and working because i'm getting like the other day i'm like i'll go to this place for lunch as i'm heading out trying to get i was actually going to try to see at 12 i wanted to see if i went to the doctor on wednesday i wanted to see if the pain i had is still there so i'm gonna well i'm gonna try to light i'm gonna try to work out a little bit at 12th.
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Ivan:
[12:10]
| So to go over there, I'll do it. I'll leave the house like at 1130. I was going to leave a little bit earlier. I mean, usually I'll leave a little later, but I was going to leave earlier. So at the moment I'm leaving, I get a call about a deal. And so all of a sudden I'm like, I wound up getting there late because I'm talking on the phone about a deal. Okay. All right. And I'm like, damn it. Of course they called me right now. They couldn't have waited. So I'm going over there. I'm negotiating a deal, I'm running back quickly because I really was going to go a short amount of time, like half an hour. I cut out after half an hour to come back, do work, eat lunch, make lunch, clean, whatever. I was just, it's crazy. I don't understand. I swear to God. Well, I do understand a little bit. I have a friend of mine who's a single mom. And let me tell you something, okay? Okay.
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Ivan:
[13:06]
| She if her head wasn't attached, I'm sure she would forget it because because that's what happens when you've got you've got a job, you've got the kid, you've got the thing, you've got the whatever. I mean, you're I mean, it's it's nuts, you know, all the all the shit that you have to do. I mean, single single parents have it the worst. I mean, oh, and look to to homework, two parents that work. I mean, that's still a fucking complicated shit show. OK, all right. I mean, who the hell can pick up the kids to school for both of work and whatever you got to shift you got to do? It's like it's a madhouse. And especially when me decided to do something that was really optional, but I put it in this week and then I have to go to the doctor. that, you know, at that complication, which I had that scheduled for weeks. Oh, God. So, yes, it's Friday. I'm fucking tired.
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Sam:
[14:03]
| It is Friday.
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Ivan:
[14:04]
| Oh, the whole week has been a steady stream of shitty news. Okay? Pick the topic. Any positive news that came from this administration this week. I mean, seriously, what is there a positive? Can you tell me a positive? Anything?
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Sam:
[14:23]
| Uh let's see no we.
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Ivan:
[14:26]
| Say that the trump administration did anything positive i mean they went and they insulted the whole world on on the stage that was one thing they did basically pissed off everybody what i mean i don't know.
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Sam:
[14:40]
| Is there anything is there any when we get to the news but.
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Ivan:
[14:44]
| I'm like what.
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Sam:
[14:45]
| Positive things there is they have they done anything positive since january no well.
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Ivan:
[14:51]
| Jimmy kimmel was back on tv so that's like.
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Sam:
[14:53]
| Well yeah they didn't do that they they're not something that yeah.
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Ivan:
[14:57]
| They didn't do that right they wanted to keep them off the air.
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Sam:
[14:59]
| Anyway let me move on to my things i'm gonna give up one of my two movies so i can mention another thing i did this week and then i'll do one movie so this is i i start I started seeing this on Facebook and I mentioned it to Yvonne offline that I was going to do this, but it turns out in my county, somebody started sort of a local podcasting network thing.
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Ivan:
[15:32]
| And Sam tells me, I'm going to a networking event, and I thought that, man, is there a meteor about to hit the earth or something? Because if there's somebody that I've never heard that wants to voluntarily participate in such a kind of an event, it's Sam Minter right here.
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Sam:
[15:53]
| Exactly like uh i i voluntarily going to any sort of, social event where i don't already know the people involved hell even if i do know the people involved i have to be dragged there most of the time basically yeah you know but you know i saw i i saw this the posted by there's a a friend of my wife's who also has a podcast that i'll mention in a few minutes but and she posted this stuff and i first saw something about it like a month ago and they were having an event but i couldn't make it but then when i came around and it was there was like they were going to do another something i'm like okay let me check it out i'll do this because it it's it's it's called the Snohomish Podcast Network. It's just like a local thing. We're in Snohomish County. If you look at the podcasts that they have that are involved, most of them have some sort of local angle to them, you know, in terms of being about something that relates to the local community. Not all of them, though. They've only got, well, I shouldn't say only, they've just started out.
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Sam:
[17:12]
| They've just looking at the thing one to start it looks like it started out with eight eight podcasts and even that i was like there are eight podcasts based in this county, You know, because I mean.
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Ivan:
[17:29]
| I don't know. There are so many podcasts.
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Sam:
[17:31]
| I know. I know. They're everywhere. Listen, here's the thing. I had done I had done some searches like years ago for like podcasts about the county or the towns around here. And I found a few, but most of them have subsequently gone defunct. These are not some of these are about the county. Some of them are not, like I said. But, you know, you're right. There are just so many right now.
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Ivan:
[17:54]
| Sam, let me give you numbers because I've been tracking this now. Okay, go to numbers and make a count.
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Sam:
[18:03]
| Okay, because I have another project I've been doing that one of the side effects is tracking this. Of course, my page where I have this is like not loading right now. So I have to find it from another source. Hold on. Hold on. I have to bring it up manually because my stupid thing is like dying on me. Here we go. Okay. So in the last week, 251,284 podcasts updated.
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Ivan:
[18:40]
| Wow, that's a lot.
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Sam:
[18:41]
| And over the course of the last year, updated 4.58 million. Or if I round properly, sorry, 4.59 million rounding. There are a lot of podcasts out there. That's like, you know, all kinds of different languages.
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Ivan:
[19:01]
| There are so many podcasts right now that on this show that I listen to, there's also a podcast. They are making a little game show for guests, real or fake podcast, okay, where they make these names up of, like, podcasts based on some personalities or whatever, and they try to see if you believe the podcast is real or fake. And let me tell you something. They've gotten me. They've gotten everybody because some of them sound so ridiculous that you're like, no, come on. That can't be a contest. Oh, yes, it is a real podcast. This guy, I'm like, what the hell? You know, it's like, you know, just take any name of anybody. Like, I don't know. And then just make some funny, like, you know, name out of it. Let me give you some real podcast names.
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Sam:
[19:52]
| Because here's the thing. like my little project, which isn't ready for prime time yet, but I've been working on that. The notion is exploring that long tail of podcasts, right? Cause there's thousands of podcast directories practically where you can go and see all the popular ones. Right. And you can even search by topic and things like that. And, and, but you know, they're all ranked by popular and I'm like, okay, you know, there are a lot of small podcasts out there too, like ours, you know.
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Ivan:
[20:18]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[20:19]
| But how do you find them, you know?
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Ivan:
[20:21]
| Right.
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Sam:
[20:22]
| So my basic idea of the little site I'm building is, you know, pick like some categories. Like you want it to be in English. You want it to have been updated recently. Pick a topic, things like that. And then... actually show you a random selection of podcasts that meet that criteria, not ranked by popularity, just pick randomly. Now, I haven't built the things that let you filter by topic yet, but here are just 10 random podcasts in English. So I've gone from the 251,000 podcasts overall to 177,000 in English that were updated. And here's 10 random ones.
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Sam:
[21:08]
| Three pastors walk into a bar by the Athol Baptist Church, which is discussions between three pastors and a variety of guests ranging from theological leaders to philosophical thought contributors. So that's one. round springfield that is a simpsons adjacent podcast where they interview writers directors showrunners and voice actors from the simpsons okay that's actually it looks like it's uh actually done by a it's related to maximum fun networks which is a real network then we have gutter studies by tom it's the audio feed for gutter studies a video essay project exploring the pleasure, history, and meaning of low cinema.
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Ivan:
[21:55]
| I thought maybe this was some guy that, you know, actually installed. Yeah.
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Sam:
[22:00]
| Well, you know, the other Curmudgeon's Corner podcast, the one that's on YouTube, is done by people who run an auto detailing business.
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Ivan:
[22:09]
| Ah.
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Sam:
[22:10]
| They talk about other things, but they also talk about auto detailing.
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Ivan:
[22:14]
| It's almost like, what's the name from NPR? Oh, God.
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Sam:
[22:18]
| Car Talk.
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Ivan:
[22:19]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[22:20]
| Which has been defunct for a while but yes I mean they still replay the old episodes I know they play the reruns.
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Ivan:
[22:26]
| But not just the guys both of.
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Sam:
[22:28]
| Them died no one of them's dead one of them's dead no.
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Ivan:
[22:31]
| No one of them I didn't think both of them were dead but.
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Sam:
[22:34]
| Yes anyway Close to the Edge by Lifestyles 55 Podcasts with your host Byron Capon is a show for late boomers old punks Gen Xers and anyone else who likes their music with an edge, Voices from the Bench. Oh, here's good. Here's a good one. A weekly podcast dedicated to the dental laboratory industry. Featuring anyone associated with the profession from all over the world.
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Ivan:
[23:04]
| That sounds scintillating.
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Sam:
[23:08]
| Pisces astrology bites daily horoscopes with Luna Vega.
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Ivan:
[23:13]
| Okay. A lot of people like.
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Sam:
[23:16]
| Bourbon matters. A podcast about bourbon and the ones who drink it.
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Ivan:
[23:21]
| You see, this, these are good names to mix into that game show. I told you real or fake.
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Sam:
[23:26]
| Right. These are all real.
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Ivan:
[23:28]
| Those are all real, But you can see how that show would work where you would just mix it, you know, you know, other names you made up and it's whether this podcast is real or fake. The reality is it's just so many of them. It's just ridiculous.
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Sam:
[23:42]
| I got three more of these and then I'm going to go back to talking about the local podcast network. What Goes Bump in the Night by Trevor and Riley. Our names are Trevor and Riley. We are from West Michigan and we are best friends who have had a love for the things that go bump in the night for years. After many years talking about doing a podcast, we're finally about going out and investigating the paranormal ourselves. We finally did it.
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Ivan:
[24:08]
| Well, we're not investigating the paranormal, that's for sure.
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Sam:
[24:12]
| The Haunted Attraction Network, countdown to Halloween with our 61-day haunt-a-thon. And then finally, Spiral, a Bitcoin newsletter, now in audio. So there's my 10 random ones. okay.
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Ivan:
[24:30]
| But okay but all right you found all these podcasts and there were so many podcasts in your county and whatnot.
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Sam:
[24:36]
| Yeah so so here's what well what did they do yeah yeah so like i went to the first thing i've actually gone to two things now with them the first one was just like a social mixer type of thing to just get get to know people blah blah blah and met met a a few folks And let's see if I can remember. I met Tony from the Crusher Social podcast, which is about like optimizing social media for businesses and stuff like that. I met Sheila from the Snohomish Storytellers. So that's stories about things from Snohomish County. Who else did I meet? I'll talk about that one in a minute.
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Sam:
[25:25]
| I, there was somebody who I'm not, I'm not sure he's in this officially yet, but I met somebody who does a podcast on RVing in the Pacific Northwest. It's called RVs, RV out West.
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Sam:
[25:39]
| There's another storytelling podcast. I didn't meet all these folks. So I'm talking about the ones I'm, but then, so, and, you know, chatted for a few hours, you know, with, with a few of these folks talked a little bit about podcasting, talked a little bit about other stuff, just whatever. And then I went to a second meeting that was more sort of a business meeting. Like, what do we want the network to do? Blah, blah, blah. You know, and so they're trying to do some cool stuff. Like they've got some services for, you know, it's being run by someone who does like podcast production services and stuff like that. And so they're doing some hosting and some analytics and helping people out with production. And that's some other things that they're doing, but they're talking about doing some, you know, cross promotion stuff and, you know, basically helping each other out with a few things. Anyway, I thought it was cool. I joined up. So this is just a heads up to the listeners. I may do some more cross promotion of some of these folks, you know, mentioning them or them mentioning us, you know, things like that. Now these are all fairly small podcasts like us. You know, there's no like big, huge, like, oh my God, there's somebody who's famous and getting millions of views and listens and making a living off their podcast exclusively and things like that.
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Ivan:
[27:04]
| For all we know, somebody is, taking our podcast and probably mashing up the sound and using it as as white noise to make people sleep and making millions of dollars that we.
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Sam:
[27:14]
| Don't know we are the source of the white noise podcast it was really us all along exactly yeah yeah no but bottom line it was cool it was cool to like meet people and talk to them and and get the one other one i will mention because i think it's the most like us it was also a member they were at the second meeting but not the first and who also is the person who my wife knew anyway is one of the co-hosts is a podcast called um sir and i'll call them out specifically because of all of these eight podcasts it's the one that's most aligned with curmudgeons corner because they are also a podcast that talks about news and current events and politics and all this kind of stuff and it's basically you know the way i described it to yvonne it's like a female version of us you know described.
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Ivan:
[28:10]
| It to me when did you describe it to me.
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Sam:
[28:12]
| You actually responded to it no you did not miss it you actually responded to it it's in slack in a in a dm do you want slack yeah.
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Ivan:
[28:21]
| Yeah yeah that's right okay yeah yeah yeah i i just remember that yeah you had that okay yeah.
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Sam:
[28:26]
| Yeah so it's and basically it's it's two women chatting about the same kinds of things we chat about some other stuff they're actually slightly more produced they were doing like video, from the beginning, I guess. And they very frequently, I've listened to a few of their episodes.
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Ivan:
[28:42]
| From the beginning. When did they start? Could I ask?
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Sam:
[28:45]
| They're new. They're new. They have not been going like 30.
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Ivan:
[28:49]
| 40, 50 years, however long they've been going. That's what I'm saying. I mean, when we started, I mean, for God's sakes, I mean, we were on freaking radio, for God's sakes. I mean, the idea of a podcast didn't fucking exist. I mean, we used Skype for all fucking logs. So, yeah.
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Sam:
[29:02]
| We used the two cans with the string in between.
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Ivan:
[29:05]
| Basically. Yeah, it's pretty close.
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Sam:
[29:07]
| You know, yeah, they haven't been going that long, but they routinely drop in the audio clips of the current news to react to, and we only occasionally do that. We have done that. I mean, come on. It's a lot of fucking work. It takes preparation.
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Ivan:
[29:21]
| Work. Organization.
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Sam:
[29:23]
| I mean, come on.
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Ivan:
[29:25]
| Man. I just talked about my fucking week.
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Sam:
[29:29]
| I know.
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Ivan:
[29:30]
| Listen, let's see. And after this week, by the way, I'm flying on Sunday to Texas to go meet a doctor on Monday. Then I will fly back from Texas and get back here at 1 in the morning. Well, the flight gets at 1 in the morning. So I'll get over 2.30 in the morning to work on Tuesday, okay?
|
Sam:
[29:46]
| And then on Wednesday.
|
Ivan:
[29:47]
| I'm flying to Guyana. What the fuck? I mean, I'm sorry. I don't have to. You want me to have audio clips prepared for shit? What the fuck am I doing? Listen, unless, unless, you know, my stock, you know, goes, you know, multiplies another 10 X or something at this point.
|
Sam:
[30:07]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[30:08]
| OK. And then at that point, I'll hire a fucking producer. But until then right now, you know, you're stuck with us, you know, pantomiming sounds of shit like right now. I could go like, you know, start like reading shit.
|
Sam:
[30:22]
| I was telling, first of all, the co-hosts of the Umsur thing are Emily and Sammy. So I think they have a Sam too, S-A-M-I-E. I think it's Sammy. But anyway, not them, but I was talking to someone else there at one of the social things. And they asked, like, first of all, they asked, you started in 2007. What's that? 18 years. We've been doing this 18 years and three months. We've been doing this podcast. Okay. You know, did I do the math right?
|
Ivan:
[30:55]
| Yeah, you're right. You're right. Listen, they're a first podcast, I'm certain. You know, and listen, I'm not ragging on you. I'm just teasing. No, no, no. In 2023. Okay. All right. Look, I mean, listen, you guys have, you know, yeah. I mean, when we did this, okay, the technology was so bad. they need to go you know we need to replay our first couple of episodes for people to listen to how bad it was they're very short in large part because multiple times we recorded everything and then we lost everything we recorded and then we had to do it again yeah.
|
Sam:
[31:32]
| Well they're all available on curmudgeons-corner.com you can go back there and listen to our early episodes the descriptions are all messed up they're not like good but anyway you can go see the archives But no, no, I was talking to this other woman there. And, you know, first of all, she asked, how can you possibly have done this for 18 years? Like, we struggle to keep up the momentum to, like, you know, do one episode a month.
|
Ivan:
[31:56]
| You know what I'm going to say? I'm going to go with the news this week. Probably our parents took a lot of Tylenol when we were pregnant.
|
Sam:
[32:01]
| Well, by answer, directly. She asked, how do you do this? I said, autism. You know, that was my answer.
|
Ivan:
[32:09]
| That's it? Basically. No other explanation.
|
Sam:
[32:12]
| You know, it's like, absolutely. That is how I can keep up a pattern like this for 18 years. That 100%. And, you know.
|
Ivan:
[32:23]
| What the hell else? No other fucking reason. Hell, I struggle at it, you know, to do it. But, you know, yeah.
|
Sam:
[32:33]
| And, you know, the other thing when they asked a few more details, I said, like, look, one of the things is, you know, i went through a period where i was we were doing a lot we were doing more than we do now i mean there's some stuff we've like technologically we're live streaming now we didn't do that before but that was like one click once we were on riverside there was one click to do that right but like there were there was a period of time where i was spending like half my weekend editing episodes and making sure like it sounded right. And, you know, I, I, I told him like, I've never done the thing where we record two hours and I pick the best half hour. I don't do that kind of stuff. We've never scripted it. We don't do that kind of stuff. I, I, I tried a couple of scripted episodes once on weeks you weren't here. I didn't like it. I didn't like doing that. I tried writing it out in advance and I wouldn't stick to the script either. I'd start with the script and then I'd deviate as I went, you know?
|
Ivan:
[33:34]
| Basically, we can't put you on a teleprompter.
|
Sam:
[33:36]
| Yeah, no, I mean, and I mostly stick with the script. But anyway, no, the other thing was at a certain point, I decided, look, I don't need all that stuff. There was one time where I specifically made some changes that dramatically reduced the amount of time I had to spend. And then for the next four weeks on the podcast, I asked a question every week. Did anybody notice the difference nobody noticed the difference.
|
Ivan:
[34:04]
| And and i mean we did do some period where we did some we've done some promotions we've had some we've had you know we've gotten some bursts of of people coming in and so forth but you know what for the last couple years you really haven't really been you know doing any promotion or trying no.
|
Sam:
[34:25]
| I handed out business cards at these events for the podcast and that's the most i've done in like, half a decade, at least.
|
Ivan:
[34:31]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[34:31]
| Maybe more. And, you know, but the thing is, I think also at a certain point, like I switched, you know, there was a point I was like, okay, let's, let's grow this and let's try to get some people. And then I was like, you know, let's just have fun.
|
Ivan:
[34:47]
| Yeah. You know, listen, if for some reason, listen, listen, folks out there, if for some reason you find a scintillator and you want to offer us a multi-million dollar multi-year contract to do this for a living i'm all over we're all over it okay we'll we'll we'll we'll figure it out okay no problem okay but but you know unless somebody's coming in with that with that kind of an offer at the door i'm like you know we'll just stick with having fun with us.
|
Sam:
[35:17]
| Yeah we make 25 bucks a month from the patreon which is incredible thank you for all our patrons.
|
Ivan:
[35:23]
| Yes um.
|
Sam:
[35:24]
| But it's not exactly replacing my income anytime soon and.
|
Ivan:
[35:28]
| You know.
|
Sam:
[35:29]
| That that's fine we have fun with it you know and would i like to have more folks yes but i'm not going to kill myself over it i'm not going to like fundamentally change.
|
Ivan:
[35:38]
| What we do to optimize you know for all of sometimes we think about nobody's listening whatever i always keep getting being surprised by people like here who hear and hearing comments of people all of a sudden contact me and tell me, oh yeah, I listen to this, listen to that. Always catches me off guard.
|
Sam:
[35:58]
| But anyway, at the same time, I had a blast talking to these folks and they're doing some interesting stuff and I'm like, sure, I'll do some cross promotion. No problem. I've mentioned a couple of the podcasts. Let's see if I can read these. Crush Your Social story. Okay, I'm looking at...
|
Ivan:
[36:17]
| By the way, I'm looking... I didn't look at this that closely, but...
|
Sam:
[36:21]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[36:22]
| Were these people a lot younger than you and me? It seems like it, though. Because I'm looking at the two ladies on Umsurf Podcast and, I think we could be their parents.
|
Sam:
[36:34]
| I did not ask their ages, but I do not think they are. I don't think we could be their parents. They could be our younger siblings, perhaps.
|
Ivan:
[36:45]
| Like a lot younger siblings.
|
Sam:
[36:49]
| I don't know. I don't know.
|
Ivan:
[36:51]
| You're not sure?
|
Sam:
[36:52]
| Yvonne, I'm 33. I don't know how old you think you are.
|
Ivan:
[36:55]
| Oh, you're 33. Oh, I see. Oh, well, I didn't realize that. Okay. Well, now that you cleared that.
|
Sam:
[37:04]
| No, no, no. There was a range of ages represented at this thing. So I was trying to read all the names of the podcasts. Storytelling. Sorry. Crush Your Social. Storytelling in a Small Town. At Homish. Um, sir. Snohomish Storytellers. Soul Filler Diaries. and Market Maven podcast were their founding members. And now we're in there too. And anyway, it was fun. And I think they're, I told them I'm willing to help out some. And if we do some cross promotion, that's cool. And happy to do sort of little reads and whatever. And I certainly am happy to do like the just networking and share stories and give advice.
|
Ivan:
[37:58]
| I just checked on this. Yeah, we would be their way, we would be like their, we could be very, very, very young parents.
|
Sam:
[38:05]
| Did you check their ages?
|
Ivan:
[38:07]
| Yes, I'm already on one. We could be their very, very young parents. But if we were related, they would be like the oops child. Like, it's the difference, like, between you and your sister.
|
Sam:
[38:21]
| 19-year age difference? That's normal for siblings, right?
|
Ivan:
[38:24]
| Like, yeah, like, yeah, that's the gap that we've got. they.
|
Sam:
[38:28]
| Could be our younger siblings.
|
Ivan:
[38:30]
| Yeah like yeah yeah like like the ones that you know we were in college while they were you know they they were like you know more kind of a thing yes.
|
Sam:
[38:40]
| I guess so.
|
Ivan:
[38:42]
| We are so fucking old but let me tell you something.
|
Ivan:
[38:47]
| You know obviously you know the effects of all this tylenol you know i've gotten to be you know the other day i i go and i'm like i got my niece the other day i'm trying to do help her with papers for like our citizenship applications and man i don't know is it just a work i'm like okay we need to scan these documents scan how do you scan i'm like fuck me, the hell man it's just very bright bright but i realized that i i noticed that well i guess scanning i i guess i realized that's that's passe right obvious it's very passe yes people like take pictures of stuff, I guess, or whatever. But the one thing is that.
|
Ivan:
[39:28]
| You and me, and look, a lot of people our age are technologically inept, but you and me have been around the block on technology way too many damn times. And so it's still like sometimes I'm still get surprised how I'm still around people and I'm expecting, you know, because tech is so ingrained into shit right now where everybody is like, you know, my wife is taking this art class. she's going to florida atlantic university she's actually going to university right now which i must have been a little bit jealous about the fact she's going twice uh twice a week being able to be at school a little bit like right now well one of the things is that you know how they're using like ipads and things and drawing and stuff and all this tech in the classroom itself which of course we didn't do that back then you know but but i'm like we.
|
Sam:
[40:19]
| We had uh what was that class where they taught you how to use a mouse and stuff that we had.
|
Ivan:
[40:24]
| Oh the computer skills workshop yes yes yeah assignment send.
|
Sam:
[40:28]
| Log in assignment one assignment two send an email.
|
Ivan:
[40:33]
| Send an email create a word document that kind of stuff yeah but but our our brother but we have been we have always been especially for our generation at the cutting edge of a lot of this shit, It comes from our education. It comes from our background. We went to a tech school. Went to a tech school. And so, you know, we're doing this shit. I had somebody I know that worked with me at HP, who basically is just asking me so many basic questions about some of this stuff. I'm like, what the fuck, man? You don't know anything. The hell? Do any people know anything? And I realized, yeah, they don't. But it's okay.
|
Sam:
[41:10]
| Well, you know, I've heard some discussion around how the youngest generation is actually much more computer illiterate than, you know, the millennials and are using.
|
Ivan:
[41:26]
| Just their phones.
|
Sam:
[41:28]
| Well, because it's so so ingrained now. of the culture as a user who doesn't have to understand it. Whereas like for a certain period of time to effectively use the technology.
|
Ivan:
[41:44]
| You had to really know, you had to really understand it.
|
Sam:
[41:47]
| You had to get into the weeds.
|
Ivan:
[41:48]
| Now we're building, you know, building a computer wasn't like in the nineties, it's still in the two thousands. It wasn't something that was like only nerds would do or something in a, in a garage, like in the seventies. Okay. This was something that a lot of people, kind of like mainstream, would build computers, okay? And, oh, you'd order the parts. You put them together because that was the best way to get the best deal. Because it was cheaper. It was cheaper, yeah. You know, get more performance, better price, bah, bah, bah. You know, people would do that. But I'm like, Jesus Christ. I mean, I don't know. Nobody builds a fucking computer anymore. I'm sure there are people that do, but it's not, yeah.
|
Sam:
[42:28]
| Anyway, we've taken long enough on this. I'm going to skip both of my movies. I will give the network, it's snohomishpodcast.com, if anyone wants to check it out. But, you know, and it's cool. It does have a local twist, though, which is different. Like, I've occasionally poked around at, like, sort of, should I go to a national podcast convention or something? Would it be cool to do that? This has the advantage. It's, like, small and it's local people.
|
Ivan:
[42:58]
| What are we going to do at the national podcast convention? What the fuck are we going to do?
|
Sam:
[43:02]
| We'll take over.
|
Ivan:
[43:03]
| You know we'll.
|
Sam:
[43:04]
| We'll we'll take over we'll hand out our business cards we'll become a massively famous we will become.
|
Ivan:
[43:11]
| You know they wanted joe rogan on the left it's.
|
Sam:
[43:15]
| It's us it's clearly us right.
|
Ivan:
[43:18]
| Fuck i don't want to be that famous yeah it would be kind of annoying.
|
Sam:
[43:24]
| You know you you don't get harassed by the paparazzi every time you leave your front door.
|
Ivan:
[43:28]
| Thank god no, that joe rogan who's a fucking loser, you know i noticed there's an article i was reading this week about people like yeah joe rogan has this like look to him and that i don't know there is this thing about this, look this muscular look it's beyond the muscular where there are I mean, I don't know. There is this... I, I don't, what word should I use? This, there's this stupid fucking male testosterone look that these guys tend towards.
|
Sam:
[44:13]
| Okay. Yes.
|
Ivan:
[44:14]
| You know, and that apparently there are like these plastic surgeons that cater to that. And that there's a lot of people now, like in the younger generation, they're trying to achieve this look and like this kind of thing. And I'm just, I was just like, Oh God, for God's sakes. Yeah. You want to look like a fucking, you know, drunk enhanced, you know, you know, steroid enhanced asshole. This is this is what you guys want to copy. The fuck?
|
Sam:
[44:44]
| OK, I'm trying to end the segment here.
|
Ivan:
[44:47]
| So on the segment in a half on a happy note, can we do a happy note? Well, you said the cross promotion cross cross.
|
Sam:
[44:54]
| Check out I'm sir. Check out I'm sir. It's a good podcast. I've only listened to a handful of episodes, but I've enjoyed everyone I've listened to. it's okay all right and uh and i will be listening to more i'm sure and they know about us now so they might be checking this out oh.
|
Ivan:
[45:10]
| Fuck well i hope i didn't embarrass us now.
|
Sam:
[45:17]
| So well you spent some time talking about how long how young they looked so they're Well.
|
Ivan:
[45:22]
| Yes!
|
Sam:
[45:23]
| They probably like that. Right?
|
Ivan:
[45:25]
| I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway. Probably.
|
Sam:
[45:31]
| Again, you're the old one. I'm 33.
|
Ivan:
[45:34]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[45:35]
| The um-sir women are probably teenagers. You know, so.
|
Ivan:
[45:40]
| I'm turning.
|
Sam:
[45:43]
| Yeah.
|
Ivan:
[45:44]
| Yeah, I'm the old guy. I'm turning 55 in how many months now? Fuck. It's the 26th of September. so we got uh two four shit it's four months and a few days there you go am i doing this math right yeah shit jesus fucking christ right.
|
Sam:
[46:07]
| And again snowmuchpodcast.com we're done with that we're going to take a break and we're going to come back and talk newsy stuff newsy news news news news news Oh, and I should mention the two movies that got preempted, Dark Days from 2000 and Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse from 2023.
|
Ivan:
[46:30]
| Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse.
|
Sam:
[46:33]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[46:34]
| Jesus Christ. I don't understand the entire Spider-Man world of movies.
|
Sam:
[46:41]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[46:42]
| It's so confusing.
|
Sam:
[46:44]
| Okay. Can we take that break now? Here we go.
|
Break:
[46:51]
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|
Break:
[47:35]
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|
Sam:
[48:30]
| Okay.
|
Ivan:
[48:31]
| He really does hate curmudgeonscorner.
|
Sam:
[48:33]
| He does. He's under my desk right now, like protesting.
|
Ivan:
[48:38]
| Ha ha ha!
|
Sam:
[48:39]
| As we're recording. No, one more thing. Since I mentioned that site with a random podcast, even though it's not done yet, the only thing you can filter by is the time it was updated and the language, and it doesn't have built-in players yet, and I haven't built any of that stuff yet.
|
Ivan:
[48:57]
| But you can go to iTunes and other places.
|
Sam:
[49:00]
| No, no, I'm talking about my random thing. Like, no, yes.
|
Ivan:
[49:04]
| Oh, the random.
|
Sam:
[49:05]
| For all the podcasts I mentioned, You can look them up in your podcast player of choice.
|
Ivan:
[49:10]
| Yes.
|
Sam:
[49:11]
| For my thing, it's jukepotter.com. J-U-K-E-P-O-D-D-E-R.com. Right now, all it is is pick a language, pick how recently it needed to be updated, and see random podcasts from that. It's a little slow, too. I haven't optimized it for speed yet. but yeah the next thing i want to do is let you filter by topic and add like little players and there's there's some other things i want to do but it is what it is you can see some funny podcasts you can see what's out there if you want to go check out your bulgarian podcasts instead of english you can do that you know all kinds of stuff like that.
|
Ivan:
[49:52]
| Uh the old good old bulgarian podcasts i know.
|
Sam:
[49:56]
| I i would i would read you some i know that random bulgarian podcasts but i don't know bulgarian you know i.
|
Ivan:
[50:03]
| I got my my my best friend from hp your husband they're from bulgaria so they actually visit pretty regularly so there you go probably get.
|
Sam:
[50:10]
| Him to translate here here's a quick quiz because i know you really don't want to get into the newsy stuff so i'm giving you more opportunity to delay thank thank fucking the most common podcast language is English.
|
Ivan:
[50:23]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[50:24]
| Guess at number two, three, four, and five.
|
Ivan:
[50:29]
| Spanish, number two?
|
Sam:
[50:31]
| Yes, Spanish is number two.
|
Ivan:
[50:33]
| I'm going to go with Portuguese.
|
Sam:
[50:37]
| Yes, Portuguese is number three.
|
Ivan:
[50:39]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[50:40]
| Are you looking at my website?
|
Ivan:
[50:42]
| No, no, no, no. I swear to God. No, no, no.
|
Sam:
[50:44]
| Because you can read this off the dropdown.
|
Ivan:
[50:46]
| No, no. Let's see. What would be fourth? Man, it's got to be French.
|
Sam:
[50:53]
| French is number five.
|
Ivan:
[50:55]
| Hmm. So I wonder what's it for? Italian? No.
|
Sam:
[50:59]
| Italian is seven.
|
Ivan:
[51:01]
| Yeah, no. Chinese?
|
Sam:
[51:04]
| Eight chinese is number eight.
|
Ivan:
[51:06]
| What am i.
|
Sam:
[51:08]
| Did you give up that.
|
Ivan:
[51:09]
| French spanish english yeah i give up what's fourth.
|
Sam:
[51:13]
| Indonesian ah.
|
Ivan:
[51:15]
| Yes makes sense okay.
|
Sam:
[51:18]
| Okay yeah the top 10 shit what i.
|
Ivan:
[51:22]
| Did i listen.
|
Sam:
[51:23]
| I did pretty good you did pretty good i i i knocked.
|
Ivan:
[51:27]
| Off one two and three.
|
Sam:
[51:28]
| You did you did pretty good now actually no number four in my ranking is actually unspecified there are a whole bunch of podcasts where they didn't like actually bother to put down the language most of them are english but okay you know so but english spanish portuguese indonesian french, german italian chinese russian japanese i think that rounds out the top 10 there.
|
Ivan:
[51:54]
| You go so.
|
Sam:
[51:55]
| Okay I guess there's no more avoiding. It's time for newsy stuff. Where would you like to start, Yvonne? There's lots happened this week, as we alluded to.
|
Ivan:
[52:07]
| Nope. Right, Mike. This is very scintillating podcasting, as you're all aware at this point. Me basically just over here filibustering. Let's talk about the Comey indictment.
|
Sam:
[52:23]
| Oh, no. Okay. Yes, Comey. So, yes. You know, this is one of the things in our annual prediction show. I said there'll be investigations, but he probably won't get around to indictments this year. I thought we'd get some in 2026, but I didn't think we'd already have indictments now. But, you know, the Trump administration has been speedrunning everything. Their whole notion is do as much as they can, as quick as they can. And apparently, you know, I talked last week about the guy they fired slash made quit, whatever, because he was like, I'm not going to indict him. Well, at the time I was thinking it was mainly the, what's her, what's her name from New York? because that was part of it, too. He was like, I'm not indicting this because there's no evidence. It's not there. And apparently it was not just Tish James. It was not just Tish James. It was also Comey. And Comey had this statute of limitations that was running out next week. Just a few days from now. I believe it's a few days.
|
Ivan:
[53:33]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[53:33]
| On Tuesday.
|
Ivan:
[53:34]
| It was in September. So it must be the end of the month. Yeah.
|
Sam:
[53:37]
| Yeah. And so, fired him, brought on somebody who had no worries about the fact that there's not enough evidence to convict, and quite possibly no crime at all anyway. And so, they indicted him. It's only two pages.
|
Ivan:
[53:54]
| Look, I shared today a summary from this guy on Midas Touch that does their legal analysis. Yeah. I think it's Legal AF. And he went through.
|
Sam:
[54:04]
| Actually— Another podcast, by the way.
|
Ivan:
[54:06]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[54:06]
| Good, fun podcast to listen to. I've listened to it a few times.
|
Ivan:
[54:11]
| And, you know, he went through the indictment itself, how this thing was so sloppy. It was just, I don't know if you got a chance to look at it, but this thing was just.
|
Sam:
[54:22]
| I read the whole thing. It was two pages long. It was short.
|
Ivan:
[54:24]
| It was two pages long. It was sloppy as all can be.
|
Sam:
[54:28]
| And there were errors in it. There were errors. There were errors in the third charge that the grand jury didn't go to as well.
|
Ivan:
[54:34]
| Yeah. There were errors.
|
Sam:
[54:36]
| They apparently submitted two copies that weren't the same, all kinds of things.
|
Ivan:
[54:40]
| But aside from that, he actually went through what the charges were and then the testimony that supposedly was the criminal offense, which, look, his analysis is this. I know that Comey said that he wanted to go to trial. Yeah. He is like, look, I don't understand how this gets even past it. How does this get dismissed out of hand? It's it's it's a joke. It's a joke. The damn indictment is a complete joke. There is just nothing out of nothing.
|
Sam:
[55:23]
| Well, one of the things that's striking just in terms of that, we got spoiled with, you know, the special counsel and everybody going after Donald Trump. because they would submit like multi-hundred page indictments. I mean, I'm exaggerating slightly.
|
Ivan:
[55:37]
| But only slightly. Not really.
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Sam:
[55:39]
| Well, some of them were over 100. Some of them were in the 70s, 80s, whatever. But they were detailed what they call speaking indictments where they don't just give, we're going to charge them under this statute and this statute. But instead, they lay out the case.
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Ivan:
[55:54]
| Right.
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Sam:
[55:55]
| There was none of that here. They're just bare minimum.
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Ivan:
[55:59]
| Well, I mean, you know, there's the bare minimum where they mentioned what it is. And he went through that part. The guy on Legal AF, he went through that part. And it was just, I mean, you could watch, you know, it was very helpful because he played the videos of exactly the testimony we're talking about. And it's just like, look, James Comey, I think by, is he by training an attorney? I don't, I don't remember. But if he isn't an attorney, he certainly is like myself, who isn't an attorney, but has been in enough legal proceedings to know how to correctly answer his questions in legal forms.
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Sam:
[56:40]
| Yes, he's an attorney.
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Ivan:
[56:41]
| Yeah, okay. I thought he was an attorney, but I was just making sure.
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Sam:
[56:45]
| Yeah, he, uh.
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Ivan:
[56:46]
| To know.
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Sam:
[56:47]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[56:47]
| To know how to correctly answer questions in forms like this, okay? and the answers that he gave... You know, they avoided any of the pitfalls that you can wind up in, in such answers that could get you into legal trouble. Okay. One of them, if I remember correctly, was specifically about a recollection that he had versus Andrew McCabe had related to certain information that wound up in the newspapers. Okay. and you know uh he was the question the question was.
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Sam:
[57:30]
| About whether or not he authorized anybody to be a source to the press.
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Ivan:
[57:35]
| And but the way but the way but the question well but the question was beyond that the question was like for example he was asking him if andy mccabe lied if he and he said and he very clearly said you know what i'm not going to talk about what i'm I'm not.
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Sam:
[57:53]
| I'm not, I'm not characterizing my own testimony.
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Ivan:
[57:55]
| I stand by my own testimony of what I said.
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Sam:
[57:59]
| And what I testify.
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Ivan:
[58:01]
| You know, and you know, he was very careful in his answers.
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Sam:
[58:04]
| Well, this also, it was characterized as either McCabe is lying or he is lying, but there was an inspector general's report that dug deeply into this exact question and determined, yeah, it was McCabe who was lying, you know, and, you know, Comey was probably telling the truth. Now, one of the things here is because this wasn't a speaking indictment.
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Ivan:
[58:26]
| Theoretically— said he didn't he didn't go into the pitfall of answer you know going and like answering that about the other person and identify he he just stuck he talked about his own but i'm answering about me right and this is what i said then what i said before stance yes the other.
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Sam:
[58:46]
| Part of this you know theoretically like maybe they have some other evidence because they did not have to disclose it. Maybe they had some direct evidence that something he said there was incorrect.
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Ivan:
[59:00]
| Whatever.
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Sam:
[59:01]
| Sam, Sam, Sam. Incorrect is not the rule. Let me finish this. It doesn't matter because also one of the requirements of the law is that the question that he, assume he lied, it has to be relevant to the proceedings he was part of, and it was not, because the hearings that he was a part of, it was a different topic. you know, than the one he was answering about McCabe. So there's all kinds of problems with this, you know, and, you know, and I've heard a number of people comment that, you know, this is, you know, this is all they got. I mean, what, what they really want, what Trump really want. And like, you hear a bunch of these conservative commenters talking about how, how evil Comey is and how he's a criminal and he needs to go to jail, blah, blah, blah. But the thing that they're all worked up about is not what he was just charged on. They want to nail him for doing the whole Russia investigation. That's what Trump wants to get back at him for. But, you know, they don't have anything on that.
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Ivan:
[1:00:05]
| They don't have anything. They don't have anything.
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Sam:
[1:00:08]
| The whole Durham investigation dug into that for years as well and found jacked. It found a couple of low-level things that he couldn't get through. Like, even when he did indict people, it didn't stick. Like, they were acquitted.
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Ivan:
[1:00:26]
| Here's the problem that happens when criminals are trying to investigate other people. Okay? Criminals always think that everybody else is just as crooked as they are. And so when you dig into their shit, you are going to find— Everything is projection. We've talked about this before. Exactly. They're going to find all these crimes. And they get really, really angry. Like Trump is getting really angry when he goes and he sends out his minions to find all this evidence of all their criminal shit. And it's like, well, we can't find anything, Donald.
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Sam:
[1:01:02]
| Because they cannot imagine the idea that somebody might not be cheating.
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Ivan:
[1:01:09]
| Right.
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Sam:
[1:01:10]
| That somebody might actually be trying to play by the rules. That someone actually cares about, like, doing the right thing. And like I said before.
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Ivan:
[1:01:19]
| And actually the guy had legal AF as well, and some other people said, same thing as I did. I'm like, look, I'm not a James Comey fan. I'm not a guy who is like, you know, whatever.
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Sam:
[1:01:32]
| Donald Trump is his fault more than Donald Trump is his fault.
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Ivan:
[1:01:38]
| But at the same time, I am pretty confident that James Comey wasn't doing this because of some criminal conspiracy in his head or something. I just think there were bad judgment calls that he made. That's it. I think that, you know, it's nothing more than that.
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Sam:
[1:02:01]
| It was somebody trying to do the right thing who occasionally screwed up.
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Ivan:
[1:02:06]
| Right. He's a bureaucrat to a certain extent. And one of the things that sometimes happens with bureaucrats, and I experienced that, is that sometimes they err so much in the side of caution that they cause more problems than are warranted because, no, no. And I'm like, but, you know, because sometimes I know that I am one that is a fan, and I've said this many times, that when I do things, I don't want to just, I don't want to be just proper. I want to also try to avoid the appearance of impropriate.
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Sam:
[1:02:45]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:02:46]
| Okay? That means that even if I, you know, you know, talking about this about hiring or contract practices with people, it's like, you know, I will try to avoid the situation that puts us in what is it appears as a conflict of interest. Okay. I will try to avoid those things. And I think that in his, you know, but sometimes some people get in such a zeal. For that, that they actually make things worse because they're also as a bureaucrats, unfortunately, many have a many have a tendency to do things just for the purpose of covering their ass because they don't want to later be said that you didn't do it because you were wrong, even though you already knew when you saw everything 10 times that you knew what it was. And I'm like, they're trying to do it just because there's covering their ass. And I think that James Comey fell into that trap. OK, to a certain extent, which is a trap that many bureaucrats are prone into. And that's OK. Most of the time, it's not a big deal. Most of the time, it's just causes more work. But in this case, it wound up giving us Donald Trump.
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Sam:
[1:03:59]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:04:00]
| And he probably didn't think he was going to win like nobody. None of us thought he was going to win anyway.
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Sam:
[1:04:06]
| Right. And of course, again, this indictment, they wish they could indict him over Trump-Russia and Russia-Russia-Russia and all that. But this is all they got? Like some really, really weak case on lying to Congress where it doesn't look like he even did?
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Ivan:
[1:04:25]
| Listen, it took for nobody. It's so bad that nobody wanted to indict him over this, including M. Bondi, by the way.
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Sam:
[1:04:33]
| Yes, Pam Bondi had reservations, etc.
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Ivan:
[1:04:36]
| Including Pam Bondi, that he had to bring one of his attorneys from his headshot photo book where he hires frickin' attorneys. Because I realize it's the same. Donald Trump just hires from a headshot book.
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Sam:
[1:04:50]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[1:04:50]
| Who looks hot? Oh, this one. Okay, great. That's my new attorney. The fuck is this? Okay? So it's like, I mean, qualifications? Who needs that shit? Right. OK. And it brings is this person that from the from the from the cursory review of the work she did looks. I mean, I've had attorneys that I mean, I've never seen such shitty work from any attorney I've hired. OK, ever. That's how shitty an attorney this person is. And they went in there and they signed their name to this thing. OK, to do it, because by the way, that was one thing that was important. Right. Usually they named they named her district attorney for that for that district. Correct. So usually the indictment would be signed not by that person, but somebody that works for them. And the only reason what the analysis is like, you know why she wound up signing it? Because nobody else would.
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Sam:
[1:05:50]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:05:51]
| Nobody else put their name to that damn thing.
|
Sam:
[1:05:54]
| And of course, you know, she's never been a prosecutor before. like some of the questions are being asked. So like, okay, who from her office is actually going to do the work on the case? Is she going to do it all herself do, you know?
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Ivan:
[1:06:06]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[1:06:07]
| And we'll see. I mean, one of, one of the things that, people have brought up in the commentary on this, and I've heard this from a few different places, but I think resonates as well, is that Donald Trump himself, when he's thinking about this, doesn't think five steps ahead. He's not thinking, how will this case play out and will the guy end up in jail? He thinks about that day's headline.
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Ivan:
[1:06:37]
| Well, to be fair, in his thinking, he could be think in the way that he does a lot of his legal cases, which are most of the time lose. Okay. And he's just doing it just to inflict pain on the other person.
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Sam:
[1:06:53]
| Exactly. There are two things here. One, he's got the headline. He got the headline that Comey was indicted. He's been wanting that headline for years and years and years. He got his headline. He's got 90% of what he wants, even if it gets to miss tomorrow.
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Ivan:
[1:07:11]
| He got him indicted.
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Sam:
[1:07:12]
| He got him indicted. He's going to cause him to have to pay lawyers. He's going to cause him heartache. He's going to go down to the courtyard and be fingerprinted and get a mug shot and all that kind of stuff. He's going to be humiliated in the same way Donald was humiliated. And that's already most of what he wants. even if it gets like dismissed right away.
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Ivan:
[1:07:38]
| And you know how bad this is? The Wall Street Journal editorial board, not exactly one that is, you know, on the left.
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Sam:
[1:07:46]
| Bastion of socialism.
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Ivan:
[1:07:48]
| Yeah, not even close. The Comey-Trump revenge cycle, it's a historic tragedy. The president, it said here, it's the Comey-Trump revenge cycle. I mean, that's basically what he talks about it. That's the headline. I mean, it's just, it's, you know, And this is a lot of conservative news media have basically said that this is they have bashed it. It's not just I mean, like I said, you know, Kobe, it's not like he's full of friends in liberal circles either. You know, not like they're welcoming it. But I think universally, the bottom line is this thing is just.
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Sam:
[1:08:35]
| Well, this is Trump's revenge where. Yeah, it's clearly Trump's revenge Well.
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Ivan:
[1:08:41]
| Let's be clear One thing that he said today He said that Combs' indictment isn't about revenge But, Look, he fucking You know, he's such an idiot I mean, he basically posted That it is revenge on Truth Social Just last week Yes Now.
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Sam:
[1:08:58]
| He meant that to be a DM to Pam, though You know?
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Ivan:
[1:09:00]
| Right!
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Sam:
[1:09:01]
| But we posted it to the whole world That doesn't count He didn't mean to Ah Ah.
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Ivan:
[1:09:07]
| He didn't mean to. Okay. Well, he did delete it.
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Sam:
[1:09:10]
| He did delete it.
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Ivan:
[1:09:11]
| Which apparently is really rare. So he thinks that we all forgot about it. It's kind of like in the movie Men in Black, he thinks we got neuralized by just deleting it.
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Sam:
[1:09:18]
| Right, with the little thing.
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Ivan:
[1:09:19]
| Yeah, with the little thing. So now we don't remember anything. Right. It's gone.
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Sam:
[1:09:23]
| Right. And look, and he says there's more coming, right? We know he wants to go after Tish James. We know he wants to go, like, well, he mentioned a whole bunch of people in that thing to Pam body uh you know to shift.
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Ivan:
[1:09:40]
| I should look into moving to asia for about europe what the fuck am i doing you know here's one thing that if i move to asia yes if i move somewhere like australia right okay the thing is that because it's it's it's day right as as it's day over here it's night over there so i could sleep through the news cycle in the u.s ah right so so so you know I just have my phone, everything, just delete all the alerts in the morning, right? And then as I go through my day, no new alerts will happen.
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Sam:
[1:10:15]
| There you go. Anyway, he's going after the, apparently he's subpoenaing the one in Georgia. What's her name?
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Ivan:
[1:10:23]
| I've already forgotten. Fannie Willis.
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Sam:
[1:10:25]
| Fannie Willis, who, by the way, I had not registered. Last week, the Supreme Court of Georgia declined to take up her appeal. that where she was removed from that case. So the case is officially like in complete limbo, like theoretically some other prosecutor could pick it up, but nobody's going to. So not right now it's effect, you know, there was, I guess, still some limited chance that it would come back, but no, it is. It is an infinitesimally small chance now. I mean, it's not zero, but, Don't hold your breath on that one. And I guess we still have that case out in Arizona, but I haven't heard any updates on that since Trump became president either. So, you know, maybe they're waiting four years for him to leave and then they'll pick it up again. I don't know. But anyway, shall we move on from Comey?
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Ivan:
[1:11:23]
| Yeah, you pick something.
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Sam:
[1:11:26]
| My turn? My turn?
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Ivan:
[1:11:28]
| Yes.
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Sam:
[1:11:28]
| Um, that now, now it's my term turned to him and ha you know, there are a couple, there are a couple, you, you mentioned the Tylenol stuff. I don't know if there's a lot more to say about it other than RFK's continuing to do whatever.
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Ivan:
[1:11:46]
| A fucking idiot. Fuck him.
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Sam:
[1:11:48]
| Yeah.
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Ivan:
[1:11:48]
| Fuck his, fuck everything he says.
|
Sam:
[1:11:51]
| Because, I mean, the bottom line on all of that is, like, if you actually go to anybody who knows what the hell they're talking about, it's all bullshit. It's all bullshit.
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Ivan:
[1:12:02]
| Look, the biggest thing about all the studies with the upset is that here's the main thing, which is why RFK's an idiot. Why do people take Tylenol during a pregnancy?
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Sam:
[1:12:15]
| Because they hurt.
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Ivan:
[1:12:16]
| Right. Because they hurt or they got a fever or something that happened.
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Sam:
[1:12:19]
| Or fever or whatever.
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Ivan:
[1:12:20]
| So the thing is that they're correlating, you know, this with like some activity, whereas in most cases, what could be the reality is that you're taking it as a result of something that is happening to the person.
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Sam:
[1:12:34]
| Well, and people also pointed out that just if you look for other correlations, one of the other things that's correlated with the incidence of autism is older mothers. And as you get older, you just take more painkillers anyway.
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Ivan:
[1:12:48]
| Right. Right, because you hurt more.
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Sam:
[1:12:51]
| You know, there are all kinds of things here. And just fundamentally, the whole... Let's panic because incident rates are going up. No, diagnoses are going up, you dumbass.
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Ivan:
[1:13:05]
| Well, this is the bigger problem because these idiots think that autism is something new, whereas the reality is that it's already been shown that if you take the diagnostic criteria and you take case histories and you go back 100 plus years, you realize that the incidence was there. It's just that we were not diagnosing it. Simple as that.
|
Sam:
[1:13:23]
| We didn't have the language. We didn't know what to call it. We didn't identify it as such.
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Ivan:
[1:13:28]
| Everybody was, like, retarded, a moron, whatever they called it. Just all these things. And they all got sent to institutions. If the person was not functional, they were institutionalized. That's it. They were sent away. They sent them away.
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Sam:
[1:13:42]
| Right. And the people who were functional, you know, we called, like, you know, got the amount of Einstein. Einstein, Newton, nerd, geeks. Exactly. Nerds and geeks.
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Ivan:
[1:13:54]
| We're the fucking nerds.
|
Sam:
[1:13:58]
| Yeah. I mean, like there, there, there, there's a cartoon, like, you know, there are a number of cartoons like this, but one that I remember offhand is, you know, it had like this kid and his like dad or somebody and the dad saying, you know, back in my day, there was no such thing as this autism stuff. Now leave me alone so I can play with my train sets, you know, you know, and it's like, No, it's highly genetic and there's been a huge increase in, first of all, you know, what we even call it. Like the diagnosis is a much broader range. Back a couple decades ago, it was only the most severe, most profound cases that would ever be called that. And now, like, you know, yes, you still have some of those profound cases. You also have you and me, you know? And plenty of people that, you know, it's insulting, it's stupid, it's going to cause more harm. I mean, like, as pointed out, simply telling people to avoid Tylenol is going to cause more harm to both mothers and babies simply because they don't take care of it when they have a fever.
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Ivan:
[1:15:18]
| Oh, totally. That's probably going to cost even worse things to the mothers and the child. The fucking idiots.
|
Sam:
[1:15:28]
| So, okay, we had dialed note. You also mentioned in passing Jimmy Kimmel coming back. The one thing I'll say about this, you mentioned this as the potential good news. It wasn't something that the Trump administration did, but it was a successful walk back. There was pressure put on over this. I mean, like you said, some conservatives were even saying Comey was lying too far. even more were saying Kimmel was aligned too far you.
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Ivan:
[1:16:00]
| Had Ted Cruz coming out and saying what are they doing Tucker Carlson right.
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Sam:
[1:16:06]
| Saying you know this is inappropriate we should not be doing this this is gonna I mean sometimes it was couched in this will come back and hurt us when the liberals are in charge again because they'll do it to.
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Ivan:
[1:16:16]
| Us well they're right but.
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Sam:
[1:16:18]
| Uh but even aside from that it's like there was a massive pressure campaign put out there were there was the whole like people going out and saying they're canceling disney plus and canceling other disney services.
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Ivan:
[1:16:33]
| And things you said you were canceling something but listen kimmel kimmel did a great job i i watched it okay he actually did a very good job that day i saw clips i didn't watch the whole thing i watched well i watched it on youtube it's like whatever he did a really good job okay by the way right but he put out the.
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Sam:
[1:16:48]
| Whole episode on youtube and uh.
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Ivan:
[1:16:50]
| Yeah i watched a few seconds.
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Sam:
[1:16:52]
| Here in a few.
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Ivan:
[1:16:52]
| Seconds but but but but look i watched the whole thing because i started watching it and i got into it because you know one of the things about it is that look he was very emotional okay all right about it he was very emotional because a lot of people that gave him a lot of support and a lot and and you know he did explain by the way that dialogue with the company He wasn't like, you know, he was very gracious. And I do think that he did a really good job of also eviscerating Trump and Brendan Carr and his idiots for it. So he didn't go easy on them. And he did a really good job that day of talking about it. The one thing I found hilarious was, yes, this need to place a condition on me. And he pulled out this piece of paper. And the piece of paper was.
|
Sam:
[1:17:43]
| Okay. How to reinstate your account.
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Ivan:
[1:17:44]
| In order to reactivate your account. your subscription, please go to your Disney Plus app and press over here the instructions in order to reactivate your subs. That was hilarious. I fucking like the floor laughing with that one, which, by the way, I did. Okay?
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Sam:
[1:18:06]
| You reactivated whatever you canceled.
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Ivan:
[1:18:09]
| Hey, they did it! I mean, what the hell? I think, okay, you know, it's fair. You know, they did actually listen a lot of places don't you.
|
Sam:
[1:18:18]
| Had canceled some espn thing right.
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Ivan:
[1:18:20]
| I canceled this bundle that included espn plus and hulu yes and so it's two things that we do watch okay so and it was like basically i was like hitting myself in the balls with a hammer because i'm the one that watched pretty much both of those okay mano is the one that watches disney plus which is why i didn't cancel a disney plus one two for him because i was just like whatever but you know I also, I also did write an email to Bob Iger calling him a pussy.
|
Sam:
[1:18:49]
| OK, basically, I said.
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Ivan:
[1:18:52]
| Well, I didn't. Well, I didn't say it exactly. I was a little bit more. I basically said, I'm sorry, you are the CEO of multi, you know, the multibillion dollar company. Why are you letting these people like, you know, basically let the let the tail wag the dog. And by the way, which is finally what they did with Sinclair and the other people that took the show off the air. They basically went back to them and said, hey, you got an affiliate contract that you put the damn show back on the air. Or you know what? You're going to have consequences. And here's the reality. They need ABC content more than they need those damn stations.
|
Sam:
[1:19:31]
| Right. So, well, and this is a lesson, by the way, that applies more generally. Like the folks who have stood up have generally won.
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Ivan:
[1:19:42]
| Won!
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Sam:
[1:19:43]
| When the New York Times fought back, they won. Harvard fights back. They win.
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Ivan:
[1:19:47]
| They won.
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Sam:
[1:19:47]
| The law firms that did not capitulate won.
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Ivan:
[1:19:51]
| The law firms that did sign their own capitulate, they all won. All of them.
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Sam:
[1:19:55]
| Whereas all of the folks who ended up being like, oh, yes, let's go along to get along. Let's do whatever. Most of them are getting screwed by it. Maybe some not immediately. But in the end, you know, you are.
|
Ivan:
[1:20:11]
| Basically— You're better off fighting than submitting yourself to this bullshit.
|
Sam:
[1:20:16]
| Now, you know, I mean, maybe it's not universal. I mean, like, we've talked about the advantages. Like, you know, Apple gave him a handful of, like, token things and they got away from some tariffs.
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Ivan:
[1:20:29]
| But you see, the thing is, but look at the, those are different moves. You see, because the thing is, he wasn't really demanding. It wasn't like one of these, like, demands like this, right? What was it? He went and they're like, hey, he's doing these trade actions that are hurting us, right? Why don't I go with a little orb and a gift and, like, make him look good, okay? Because he likes the orbs, okay, for whatever the hell reason. And then that way he won't bother us, okay? So they went and they proactively kind of, like... Just, well, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't the capitulation to like at the, you know, like, like when he's coming to you.
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Sam:
[1:21:11]
| Even, even when they have sort of capitulated to theoretical demands, a lot of folks have been smart on that and sort of agreed to do things they were already doing.
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Ivan:
[1:21:21]
| Doing exactly. Or shit like that.
|
Sam:
[1:21:24]
| You gotta make him think it's a win, but really you haven't changed a damn thing.
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Ivan:
[1:21:28]
| Right. Exactly. So stuff like that, there, there are certain maneuvers, but, but when there are, but But when he comes in in a direct attack like that, like what happened to Harvard or these, the problem is that you can't just you can't just roll over because bullies, you know, when you roll over, they'll come back and bully you again and again and again. That's what they do. That's the way it works.
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Sam:
[1:21:52]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:21:53]
| So. So.
|
Sam:
[1:21:55]
| So speaking of bullies, next item, the Russians have been sending drones and fighter planes all over Eastern Europe. Well, not even just Eastern Europe, Northern Europe too. What do we think? Oh, and near Alaska as well, by the way, although they haven't actually gone into U.S. airspace.
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Ivan:
[1:22:12]
| Well, what I heard is that the last message that Europeans sent to Putin was, send another one of these fuckers, we're going to start shooting them down. That was basically the last message. You want to keep at this? We're going to start shooting these down. And now, all of a sudden they stopped after they said that.
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Sam:
[1:22:32]
| Interesting. I don't know, maybe they're just gearing up for it.
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Ivan:
[1:22:36]
| Maybe.
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Sam:
[1:22:36]
| But, I mean, I think it was a test. Yeah. And, you know, and at first it was looking like they're not doing jack. You know, but like you said, at a certain point they were like, no more. Donald really sort of kept out of it. It's like it's up to Europeans, do it, you know, whatever. He did say they should.
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Ivan:
[1:23:00]
| You went this week and went and like did a complete 180 on everything. I mean, what the hell? And the statement that he issued. Well, I know it's a usual, it's a usual like Donald meets with somebody and then the next thing he says is whatever the hell he talked to this guy. He said that Ukraine can take back, he believes that Ukraine could go and reclaim back all their land. Let me see. I'm trying to find a headline. There's this one. I'm not sure from what news source this is. But it said, massive change in Trump's stance on Russia emerging. Trump calling Russia a paper tiger and proclaiming that Ukraine can win are just some indicators of a big policy shift. I don't think that that is. That's what it sounds like, but it's really just him parroting the talking points of the last meeting.
|
Sam:
[1:23:58]
| Well, with a couple of important exceptions, that he did both in terms of the airspace incursions and with this. He said he thought Ukraine could push back the borders with the help of the EU.
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Ivan:
[1:24:16]
| With the help of the EU.
|
Sam:
[1:24:17]
| Yes. Not the help of the U.S.
|
Ivan:
[1:24:20]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:24:21]
| He was not offering for the U.S. to do any more.
|
Ivan:
[1:24:24]
| Yeah, he was basically bailing out, but at the same time, he wasn't saying that Ukraine should accept a peace where it was like right now.
|
Sam:
[1:24:31]
| Yes, yes. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's definitely a change. But again, I wonder, will it last a week? Two weeks? When's his next call with Putin?
|
Ivan:
[1:24:43]
| When's the next meeting with Putin? I mean, that is the thing, right? What is the next call with Putin? And then all of a sudden, you know, we're back. Yeah. That is a problem. Yes. I don't know.
|
Sam:
[1:24:57]
| But, you know, since we're lightning rounding this, essentially, this will all be solved because Hegseth has called all the generals to Quantico.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:08]
| Oh, fuck this asshole. Jesus Christ. And apparently, I saw a headline in the Washington Post talking about this. Basically, it said, new details emerge on hacks as unusual mass gathering atop troops. What is expected to be a short lecture on the warrior ethos.
|
Sam:
[1:25:28]
| The warrior ethos.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:29]
| Listen, this stupid motherfucker who, has he even served in the military?
|
Sam:
[1:25:36]
| I think he did. Yes, actually.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:39]
| Did he?
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Sam:
[1:25:40]
| He was in, like, something, something, reserves, whatever.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:43]
| Like, what, what, like, you know, the reserves. That's what he did?
|
Sam:
[1:25:49]
| Let's see. He does have soul back.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:52]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[1:25:53]
| We're both looking it up. We're both looking it up.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:55]
| I'm looking it up because I don't know.
|
Sam:
[1:25:58]
| Army National Guard.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:59]
| He's a fucking National Guardsman? No, he said U.S. Army and then Army National Guard. So, let's see.
|
Sam:
[1:26:08]
| Okay.
|
Ivan:
[1:26:08]
| I guess he became, I guess he was a major. Okay. So I guess he, he, he did. Okay. I didn't realize that he actually was.
|
Sam:
[1:26:17]
| 2003 through 2021 with a couple gaps. He did a variety of stuff. Yes. So yes.
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Ivan:
[1:26:24]
| Okay. All right. But, but this guy, Mr.
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Sam:
[1:26:28]
| He got a bronze star in Iraq.
|
Ivan:
[1:26:32]
| This is such horseshit.
|
Sam:
[1:26:34]
| Well, you know, there was speculation at first that, oh, he's bringing them all in for a loyalty test whatever or this is preparation for a coup or all kinds of things it seems like i mean who knows what will happen but it seems like it's much stupider than that although he is still exercising the actual like you all have to come from wherever in the world be here in person so he's exercising sort of that power over all the generals as sort of you know again one of these testosterone things, I guess.
|
Ivan:
[1:27:09]
| All these guys and fucking testosterone. I swear to God, Jesus fucking Christ. Anyway, he's such a loser.
|
Sam:
[1:27:17]
| But, you know, people have pointed out, there are a couple things here. One, of course, national security concern having all these people at the same place at the same time. It's like the entire leadership of the U.S. military physically located in one place.
|
Ivan:
[1:27:31]
| How could that be a fucking problem?
|
Sam:
[1:27:33]
| And second, and by the way, apparently just travel back and forth for all of these people for like the half hour meeting he's planning or whatever, something like $22 million.
|
Ivan:
[1:27:45]
| I would say, yeah, yeah. Because I've done, I mean, let's see. I mean, how many people are coming into the meeting? Do we know?
|
Sam:
[1:27:52]
| Well, there are 800 actual generals, plus they're bringing members of their staff as well. Some of them can take last minute. Yeah, I mean, we. Some of them are taking last minute commercials. Some of them are taking military flights, which are even more expensive. You know, so we're talking like millions of dollars. And someone also pointed out that the timing coincides with another topic we'll have in a couple minutes. The possible government shutdown, which if it happens, would strand a lot of them and not and a lot of them wouldn't be able to get back easily because their funding for travel would be cut when they need to go back to wherever they're actually posted. You know, yes. Anyway, we'll see what happens with that.
|
Ivan:
[1:28:42]
| Well, that's one thing we didn't put on our topics. Sam, we're going to get a shutdown. We are going to get a shutdown. And the reason we're going to get a shutdown, I think, goes to the one thing it reminded me is Elon Musk going to these data centers and Twitter after he took over and him just pulling cables to see. Oh, you see, nothing broke.
|
Sam:
[1:29:03]
| Nothing broke.
|
Ivan:
[1:29:03]
| Nothing broke until all of a sudden shit broke. It's kind of like the same thing. Trump is in this active mode right now with a lot of the things that he's doing, including this, to see at what point is he going to break something. Now, the problem is, of course, with a lot of these things is that when it starts breaking because of how, you know, how aggressive the actions he is doing, it will start breaking majorly.
|
Sam:
[1:29:34]
| Well, look, there's lots that's broken already, right? But they've pre-announced that instead of furloughing people, they're just going to straight up lay off people with no intention of bringing them back once we are into the government shutdown.
|
Ivan:
[1:29:47]
| Well, they're saying that that's the threat right now. That's what they want to do.
|
Sam:
[1:29:53]
| Meanwhile, this week, they announced they were bringing back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that were laid off by Doge earlier in the year because they realized they actually need them. I mean, so, yeah, we're going to have a shutdown. And this is one of the things, by the way, that Schumer said was one of his reasons for saving the Republicans from the shutdown earlier in the year was that he was afraid they would take advantage of it to just shut down even more than they had to. It was giving the Republicans more leverage to more easily shut down parts of the government they don't agree with. They've been doing that anyway.
|
Ivan:
[1:30:31]
| But it will give them an excuse. That one leverage, what are you talking about? He's doing everything he wants, like, right now anyway. Fuck that shit. Might as well just, you know, listen. Again, it's what we talked about earlier. You don't give in. You don't fucking give in. Fuck this shit.
|
Sam:
[1:30:48]
| Right. Even if you lose in the end, you gotta fight.
|
Ivan:
[1:30:53]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[1:30:54]
| You know, you got to show that you care about it, that you stand by your principles, etc. And I think this time, at least initially, who knows what things will look like if we have a shutdown that drags out a while, but Schumer seems to be a little bit more along the lines of, we're going to let this happen, we're not going to bail them out.
|
Ivan:
[1:31:20]
| I mean, you can't. Right. And you know what? Schumer is pretty sure that Schumer and Jeffries already at this point have heard pretty loudly from their constituents, pretty loudly about how pissed off they have been at their being just not aggressive enough. Right.
|
Sam:
[1:31:43]
| Although even then on the Sunday shows this weekend, this last weekend, when they were asked about, well, we're going to demand X, Y, Z of the Trump administration in order to get our support to do this. And they rattled off a list of things they want and things that Trump has said, no way in hell. Fuck you. but you know but you know so but the the interviewer asked them well okay but if trump doesn't give you that then what do you do you stand by this and let the let the government be shut down indefinitely and they hemmed a nod they did not have an aggressive answer to that they they did not say we will hold the line until donald trump gives in or anything like i will.
|
Ivan:
[1:32:30]
| Say this here's one thing that i i i i i will i will say that trump caves before anybody else because trump.
|
Sam:
[1:32:39]
| Because he usually does taco because.
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Ivan:
[1:32:40]
| He usually yeah it's taco so i i think trump caves before anybody else so by the way something else we had mentioned elon musk and prince andrew named the new epstein files, How about that?
|
Sam:
[1:32:53]
| Yeah. Well, we knew about Andrew.
|
Ivan:
[1:32:56]
| Yeah, but Elon. There you go.
|
Sam:
[1:32:58]
| But Elon.
|
Ivan:
[1:32:59]
| Good old Elon.
|
Sam:
[1:33:00]
| Well, and look, and to be clear, the thing that was mentioned was he was supposed to go to the island, and someone has a little note, is this still on? So it's not actually like proof Elon did anything, but yes, of course.
|
Ivan:
[1:33:13]
| But yeah, he was planning on it.
|
Sam:
[1:33:15]
| He was planning on it. And look, Kara Fisher, Kara Fisher, what's her name?
|
Ivan:
[1:33:20]
| Swisher.
|
Sam:
[1:33:21]
| Swisher. or not Fisher, Kara Swisher, commented on Blue Sky, I think, about this. Look, this is just the reality. All of those Silicon Valley folks were being wooed by Epstein. He was trying to get into their good graces. He was flying them to the island. It's like all over Silicon Valley. Like, you know, because who else was mentioned? It wasn't just Prince Andrew. It was Peter Thiel was in the release today. Bannon was on the release today.
|
Ivan:
[1:33:56]
| Bannon, Bannon, Bannon is on the list.
|
Sam:
[1:33:58]
| Yes, Steve Bannon was on the list. You know, so drip, drip, drip on the Epstein stuff, you know. Oh, and Donald Trump was quoted. There was a report leaked. This is not on tape or anything, but leaked where Donald Trump was getting increasingly, upset about all the Epstein stuff and said to people around him, look, people don't just don't understand how different it was in Palm Beach in the 90s. And so, of course.
|
Ivan:
[1:34:32]
| The follow up question was.
|
Sam:
[1:34:34]
| Please explain exactly what was different.
|
Ivan:
[1:34:36]
| What you mean, what you mean.
|
Sam:
[1:34:38]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[1:34:39]
| Look, let me tell you something. I don't know what the fuck he's still talking about. I lived down here in south florida since the late 90s okay i'm sorry but yes there was a lot more cocaine and booze parties you know whatever whatever this thing that he's talking about about banging like you know you know having like sexual prisoners you know basically sex trafficking underage girls that's not that was not normal you.
|
Sam:
[1:35:08]
| Weren't invited to those parties is that what you're telling me.
|
Ivan:
[1:35:10]
| I was not invited to those parties now i was invited to other parties where other interesting stuff happened but i can assure you that the women were of age okay, you were checking i met were definitely well above age probably some even older than i was at that time okay.
|
Sam:
[1:35:31]
| Very good yes so we had that i'm clicking off the list we got kimmel we got tylenol harris harris's book is out.
|
Ivan:
[1:35:40]
| Oh fuck harris's book whatever i don't care you know what i i'm like i i heard a couple of things about it i'm just like why the fuck i don't even want this book i just fucking burned a fucking book burned her book burned all these fucking books i'm so done with them.
|
Sam:
[1:35:55]
| I can see that you know and it's like it's you know as someone asked like, why why would you do this book right now how is that helpful to the future and you know someone answered look the the easy answer to why.
|
Ivan:
[1:36:14]
| Someone put.
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Sam:
[1:36:16]
| A big ass pile of money in front of her to do the book okay you know let's let's not overthink it you know.
|
Ivan:
[1:36:24]
| I get it but i mean but but it's just the book is just i a couple of the comments i heard which one was about biden and one was about uh buddhich and i was just like oh fuck just he's just burned this fucking book, just just take them out take them all take them put them all in a shredder just whatever i.
|
Sam:
[1:36:43]
| I i I think it's interesting getting the insights. I think it's still like, you know, it's all about missed opportunities. I think like there were so many places where I, I, I know you sometimes disagree on this and we disagree. I think she could have won if she'd made a couple of choices differently.
|
Ivan:
[1:37:05]
| I agree. But at the same time.
|
Sam:
[1:37:08]
| I mean, I think it's possible.
|
Ivan:
[1:37:11]
| But I think, But look.
|
Sam:
[1:37:14]
| Man, it was so close. It was so close in the end. So anyway, then we talked Trump about the UN. We talked about Russia. We talked about Hegseth. We talked about Comey. There are two more things, and then we'll wrap it up. Trump did an executive order on domestic terrorism that was talking about Antifa and stuff like that, but basically worded everything widely enough that basically anyone who disagrees with Donald Trump could be interpreted as a domestic terrorist. Now, as with many of his executive orders, it's unclear how much, if anything, is real based on it and what's legal and what's not, and things will go to court. But, you know, In many cases, it has the effect anyway, even if in the end it's determined to be an overreach of power. And the Supreme Court likes a lot of the stuff at this point. So who knows? But it's all very, you know, I talked last week about all of a sudden— It's so broad.
|
Ivan:
[1:38:26]
| It's just ridiculous. I'm just like, whatever.
|
Sam:
[1:38:29]
| All of this stuff is dangerous.
|
Ivan:
[1:38:30]
| A terrorist organization, great. Well, send, you know, go and close their bank accounts and send a notice to their headquarters. I mean, what the fuck?
|
Sam:
[1:38:44]
| Yeah. It's all just dangerous, slippery slope stuff, though. And it's all tied into Donald Trump pushing limits as quickly as he can. And finally, new tariffs. You mentioned trucks, but there's also furniture.
|
Ivan:
[1:39:00]
| There is bathroom vanities, pharmaceuticals. Now, he's doing a whole bunch of these tariffs using another authority, which he believes is in me, which they believe is more difficult to be legally challenged. But I think a whole bunch of those is still going to be legally challenged anyway. They just haven't been at this point. But it's just it's like I said, he's just pulling cables from back room to see until he can fucking like, you know, really, you know, break something. And until something really breaks something and a fire alarm starts going off and shit starts, you know, the shit storm starts, then he won't stop doing it.
|
Sam:
[1:39:38]
| Well, and the problem with that approach in terms of this that's different than pulling out cables and servers is that you don't, if you're waiting for the cliff where everything gets completely destroyed in one moment, first of all, that'll be really dramatic when it does happen. but before then you've just got this degradation that's happening the whole time where it's.
|
Ivan:
[1:40:04]
| Not it is a degradation look today sam i went you remember i think i mentioned about the coffee i buy normally yeah i want to buy some more coffee today yes it's double the price right now again i used to pay it.
|
Sam:
[1:40:18]
| Doubled before already right.
|
Ivan:
[1:40:19]
| Yeah no it was up 50 now it's double okay okay, It's double the price.
|
Sam:
[1:40:25]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[1:40:26]
| I mean, and look, I can afford, you know, a $22 bag of coffee that used to be $11 or $12. Okay, fine. I ordered more. But, you know, we've got people that are... Listen, CarMax went and announced that sales in, you know, people that have lower incomes buy used cars. That's just the reality, okay? And Carmack sales like dropped off a cliff in August. Okay. 20%. There's a massive drop off. And they keep being all these signs all over the place of these things. It's like, yeah, people talking about food prices being screwed. A number of places reporting lower demand. It's just, there's just all these, you don't have one big massive thing, But there are just all these warning lights are flashing in different places. Okay.
|
Ivan:
[1:41:32]
| And, you know, you've got them. It's crazy. On one side, they talk about how the economy is great. But then they must be freaking out because then they got this guy, whatever, that they put on the Federal Reserve saying that we need to act right now before the economy crashes. So which one is it, motherfuckers? Okay. I mean, can you explain to me which one it is? Because I'm not sure. What side it's great. All this is work on the planets. All is awesome. And then on the other side, you guys fed, cut, cut, cut, because everything's going.
|
Sam:
[1:42:06]
| Yeah. I mean, and the thing is, with the gradual, like, spread out over the course of four years, getting worse and worse and worse over the course of four years, it's harder to identify, like, that moment. we've we've talked on the show numerous times about like the problem with delayed effects where people like you know don't tie the bad thing they're experiencing to the decision that some politician made three years previously so you have all sorts of those problems but the way they're going at some point they are going to hit one of these things where it's just like you know things Things go downhill really fast at some point. And then it's going to be the recovery is going to be so long and so painful because it's so bad. I mean, I've crossed my fingers that that doesn't happen, but they're doing everything is the high risk scenario.
|
Ivan:
[1:43:12]
| They're doing everything possible to fuck up the economy. I mean, it's like, you know, they're literally doing everything possible to fuck up this economy.
|
Sam:
[1:43:20]
| But Yvonne, we're making so much income off the tariffs and we're going to bring all that manufacturing back to the U.S. It's going to reinvitalize everything after a little bit of pain.
|
Ivan:
[1:43:31]
| I don't know if you read this article that the New York Times did interviewing the guys that got deported to Korea from the Hyundai factory.
|
Sam:
[1:43:41]
| Yes, I did.
|
Ivan:
[1:43:44]
| You think they want to come and invest in this country for their construction? How motivated are they to continue investing in the U.S.?
|
Sam:
[1:44:00]
| Not. I mean, like, there's been much reporting about how the Korean specific, not just those individual Koreans, but the Korean government, Korean industry in general, are like, hold up, pause. We have to completely rethink everything we were doing. You know, the U.S. is not a safe place to go right now.
|
Ivan:
[1:44:23]
| To invest. For us to go and send our people and invest. It isn't.
|
Sam:
[1:44:29]
| Right. Right. And they're not the only ones.
|
Ivan:
[1:44:32]
| No.
|
Sam:
[1:44:33]
| I mean, oh, did we even mention the $100,000 H-1B thing, you know?
|
Ivan:
[1:44:39]
| Oh, God, I didn't mention that one.
|
Sam:
[1:44:41]
| I think I may have mentioned it in passing last week. I'm not sure. But, yeah, again, like, this is Trump's whole idea is, you know, he doesn't want it. He doesn't want the international investment in the end. I mean, he backtracked a little bit on the Koreans. He was trying to like, the administration was like.
|
Ivan:
[1:45:03]
| Wait, wait, wait, no, no. Oh, he was trying to like right now. But it's like one of those things after you did, I mean, after you did that, that they don't want to do it.
|
Sam:
[1:45:10]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[1:45:12]
| The trust has been broken.
|
Sam:
[1:45:14]
| The trust has been broken. But fundamentally, like in the end, you know, he may be temporarily trying to backtrack on that. But he doesn't want Koreans here.
|
Ivan:
[1:45:23]
| No.
|
Sam:
[1:45:24]
| He doesn't want anybody here. but you know and and you know again you know he imports all kinds of eastern european wives he has no problem with eastern europeans you know and it to deny it is fundamentally racist is like at this point is insane like it is a white nationalist white christian nationalist view of what the country should be and that everybody else shouldn't be a real citizen shouldn't be here at all. If they are here, they should be, you know, second class like and clearly so by law, you know? Right. And that's where all this comes from. And yeah.
|
Ivan:
[1:46:10]
| All right. Let's wrap this up. Yeah. Let's wrap it up.
|
Sam:
[1:46:15]
| Okay. You guys all know curmudgeons hyphen corner.com. Oh, we haven't talked about TikTok, the TikTok deal. I realize there's some reasons why you might not be able to, but I'm not talking about the TikTok deal. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's still, it's still, it's not officially confirmed in all the places that need to confirm it, specifically China. But anyway, curmudgeons-corner.com, you can find our archives, you can find our transcripts of old shows, all the ways to contact us, all the fun stuff. I actually watched somebody at that podcast event try to go from curmudgeons-corner.com and figure out how to subscribe from there. and they had difficulty, I did it for them. But, you know, I have to re-examine, like, the link to, like, iTunes and stuff like that. They just got really confused. So, like, at some point I may have to re-examine how all that works to make it easier.
|
Sam:
[1:47:16]
| But, and maybe add a couple more services. I don't know, because, like, we're on all of them. But, like, I only include links to a couple. But anyway, you can find out how to subscribe. if you can figure out the icons, and click on the right things and if they actually work because like, you know, I set those stupid links up like 10 plus years ago like, I haven't checked them lately, you know but you can just look up Curmudgeon's Corner in any podcast player. Of course, if you're listening to this, you probably already know this Anyway, all of our.
|
Sam:
[1:47:51]
| Stuff, and importantly you will find a link to our Patreon where you can give us money at various elements, various elements, at various levels, we will mention you on the show. We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. We will send you a mug. And importantly, at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us, we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack, where Yvonne and I and a whole bunch of other people are chatting throughout the week. And Yvonne, what is a highlight from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that would make people want to join that we have not talked about on the show.
|
Ivan:
[1:48:25]
| Well, this is something that you shared, okay? Yes. 9-1-1 caller thought a coconut was an explosive device, police say. Police in Washington State said a park goer called 9-1-1 to report a potential explosive device, but it turned out to be a coconut. The, Moulbukliteo Police Department said a 9-1-1 caller...
|
Sam:
[1:48:50]
| Yvonne, Yvonne.
|
Ivan:
[1:48:51]
| What?
|
Sam:
[1:48:51]
| Muckle Teal. It's Muckle Teal.
|
Ivan:
[1:48:57]
| Muckle T.O., okay, police department, said a 911 caller on Tuesday. All these fucked up names, places around you, God's sakes. Anyway.
|
Sam:
[1:49:09]
| You know, are you disparaging Native Americans?
|
Ivan:
[1:49:12]
| God, no, no, no, no. I love Native Americans. Okay, you know, great people. Muckle T.O. Said a 911 caller on Tuesday. Muckle T.O. Caller on Tuesday reported finding a coconut in Lighthouse Park that appeared to have a drilled hole, a fuse, and black powder inside. Officers temporarily closed the park and boat launch, which sits on Puget Sound, north of Seattle, to investigate. Officials ultimately determined the coconut was not an explosive device. The park and boat launch were quickly reopened.
|
Sam:
[1:49:42]
| It's not Puget.
|
Ivan:
[1:49:44]
| Okay, okay.
|
Sam:
[1:49:45]
| Puget. Puget.
|
Ivan:
[1:49:48]
| Fuck. Why is it not Puget? Anyway. All right, push it sound. What the hell? We would like to thank the public again for their patience and not, as we know, it caused some inconvenience. We treat these incidents with utmost caution and always prioritize the safety of the public. I'm guessing this must have been some kind of one of these, like, toy things or something. I mean, they were, like, doing something. It was a coconut.
|
Sam:
[1:50:13]
| It was a coconut.
|
Ivan:
[1:50:14]
| It was just a coconut. It's not an explosive device.
|
Sam:
[1:50:19]
| I've been to this park. I've been to this park within the last couple of months. It's a nice park. You know, it's, well, it's got a lighthouse. It's where the ferry comes in as well. You know, it goes across to the islands and stuff like that.
|
Ivan:
[1:50:33]
| And you didn't leave any coconuts there.
|
Sam:
[1:50:34]
| And there's some restaurants and stuff nearby. You didn't leave any coconuts there.
|
Ivan:
[1:50:37]
| I did not leave any coconuts.
|
Sam:
[1:50:39]
| I did not leave. You know, they didn't even say like it was.
|
Ivan:
[1:50:42]
| They must have floated there, right? There's not palm trees around there. Coconuts are not native there.
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Sam:
[1:50:47]
| Right? Somebody must have brought a coconut from a grocery store or something.
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Ivan:
[1:50:51]
| Well, one thing, coconuts can float long distances. Okay? And they do arrive at certain places. So you can get on a shore.
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Sam:
[1:50:59]
| It was unclear from the article to me. Like, was the guy who reported it wrong? Or did somebody actually take a real coconut, drill a hole in it, add something that looked like a fuse? Did they try to make something?
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Ivan:
[1:51:11]
| Yeah, they did clarify that.
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Sam:
[1:51:14]
| But, you know, even so, like, you know, Brandy pointed this out when I read the article. It's like they made it into one of those. If they did make it to try to look like, quote unquote, a bomb, it was one of those cartoon bombs, like the little black round bomb with the fuse on it.
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Ivan:
[1:51:32]
| Exactly. The cartoon, cartoon style bomb. I guess he thought that those are real from the cartoons.
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Sam:
[1:51:38]
| Well, I presume the cartoon bombs were based on something that was real in the 30s or 40s or something.
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Ivan:
[1:51:45]
| Well, if you remember correctly, back up, the old cannonballs with a thing on them, whatever, exploded kind of look like that. Yeah. So, you know.
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Sam:
[1:51:54]
| Although most cannonballs were just a bomb. I mean, not a bomb. Were just a ball.
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Ivan:
[1:51:58]
| No, they were just a ball. Yes. But there were like cannonballs that were kind of, I remember, were explosive as well.
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Sam:
[1:52:05]
| I'm sure they were explosive ones as well.
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Ivan:
[1:52:08]
| Yeah, it's called a round shot. It looks like.
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Sam:
[1:52:12]
| It's called a round shot.
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Ivan:
[1:52:13]
| I see. Simply ball. No, this is the ball, which is a cannonball. Let me see. There's the exploding cannonball.
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Sam:
[1:52:23]
| Yeah, as we all Google things, it'll get us on FBI watch lists. How do you make an old-fashioned round bomb?
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Ivan:
[1:52:33]
| You know I guess no those were just in movies contrary to Hollywood films and popular horror cannonballs did not explode on contact percussion fuses were not used in spherical projectiles these shells in spherical case shot were designed to explode only when a flame reached her interior charged, okay but it does say okay article from 2016.
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Sam:
[1:52:57]
| From Atlas Obscura.
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Ivan:
[1:52:58]
| Why we picture bombs.
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Sam:
[1:53:00]
| As round black balls with a burning wick So I'm reading from it. In 1920, the popular newspaper comic strip, Jerry on the Job, was adapted by Bray Studios into a few animated films. In The Bomb Idea, Jerry and another character read that Bolsheviks are on the loose throughout the country and that all citizens should be on alert. Shortly after, a man arrives carrying a heavy black sphere—, Jerry and his friend panic, assuming the item is a bomb, when eventually it is revealed to just be a bowling ball. But it's clear that by 1920, everybody knew what a bomb looked like. Except by 1920, bombs didn't really look like that anymore. They hadn't for nearly 50 years as nitroglycerin and dynamite began replacing black powder as the explosive of choice. However, the black spherical bomb wick burning slowly away to a boom has remained the understood image for an explosive from Looney Tunes to Adam West's Batman to jokes on Homestar Runner. This is what our bombs look like.
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Sam:
[1:54:22]
| But there's a diagram of a bomb that looks like that in an 18th century French mortar bomb. Cartoons always relied on visual shorthand. Bombs actually did look like that for a while. According to Jack Kelly, historian and author of Gunpowder, Alchemy, Bombards, and Pyrotechnics, those bombs were specifically mortar bombs that used gunpowder, now referred to as black powder, as an explosive. The Civil War was the last great gunpowder war. Unignited, uncontained gunpowder will burn, but for it to explode, the gas pressure needed to be built up within a seal. sealed container often a spherical one made the most sense since the shape was aerodynamic and could be made of two halves with one seal instead of a box so they did there.
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Ivan:
[1:55:10]
| Were around with a little wick okay.
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Sam:
[1:55:13]
| And and there were mortars so often they were shot out of cannon-like devices as well okay.
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Ivan:
[1:55:19]
| Okay so there you go okay all right.
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Sam:
[1:55:22]
| So good a look on atlas obscure i read a couple little bits of it but the article is much longer and gives more detail So there you go.
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Ivan:
[1:55:30]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[1:55:30]
| Okay. I think we're done, Yvonne.
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Ivan:
[1:55:33]
| We're done.
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Sam:
[1:55:34]
| So thanks everybody for joining us yet again. Please tune in next week. I haven't said this in a while, but tell your friends, tell your friends, I don't know. Review us any place that reviews podcasts. Do people do that anymore? I don't know. Whatever. Stay safe. Have a great week. We'll be back next time. Goodbye.
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Ivan:
[1:55:56]
| Bye.
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Break:
[1:55:59]
| Thank you.
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Sam:
[1:56:28]
| Okay. Later, Yvonne. I'm hitting stop.
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Ivan:
[1:56:31]
| Bye.
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