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<v Ivan>Oh!

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<v Sam>Hello!

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<v Ivan>Volume, volume, volume.

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<v Sam>Here we go. Here we go. It's starting up. Almost there.

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<v Ivan>Almost there.

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<v Sam>Almost there. That song. That is a song.

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<v Sam>From the thing. There we go. Almost there. From the Princess and the Frog.

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<v Sam>good song Disney movie 2009 Disney movie thumbs up.

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<v Ivan>I don't remember this movie I must have missed.

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<v Sam>It's a good Disney movie there's the girl in New Orleans and there's a prince

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<v Sam>they both get turned into frogs and then they go through an adventure to get

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<v Sam>back and she gets her spoilers there's a happy ending.

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<v Sam>Although there are sad things along the way. There you go. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Disney movies have a tendency to include some sad thing in them.

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<v Ivan>Somebody dies, you know.

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<v Sam>Well, it's a whole, like, trope that in almost all Disney movies,

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<v Sam>the main character's parents die near the beginning.

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<v Ivan>Die. Right, right.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's really awful. if you think about it.

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<v Sam>Yeah okay shall shall we go here comes,

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, March 28th, 2026.

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<v Sam>It's just after 1630 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter.

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<v Sam>Yvonne Bowe is back with us again this week. And yeah, so hello, Yvonne. How was Texas?

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<v Ivan>Very Texany.

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<v Sam>Very Texany?

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Did you have a good time with all your flights and TSA and all that kind of nonsense?

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<v Ivan>Absolutely. None of that was an issue. Okay.

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<v Ivan>You know, we, Miami, there was no lines.

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<v Ivan>There's no ICE agents either.

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<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

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<v Ivan>And so that was uneventful. Manu, you know, was discussed a long time ago.

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<v Ivan>The main thing that I was trying to, we didn't have a lot of time for a vacation this year.

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<v Ivan>my work my wife is taking

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<v Ivan>a class at the university the spring break for the university doesn't coincide

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<v Ivan>with the spring break for manu's school it left very little time for any vacation

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<v Ivan>okay right and so we wound up only going i was like,

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<v Ivan>i was trying to i was trying to make sure that manu could fly somewhere Right Anywhere Okay,

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<v Ivan>I had been When I had been in Texas Back for my surgery Months back I had had

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<v Ivan>some blood work With a With my With a doctor,

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<v Ivan>With my sister-in-law Who's a doctor She actually wanted to check How it was

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<v Ivan>doing And so I was like Well what the hell Let's just all go to Texas Let's

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<v Ivan>visit my brother I mean what the hell It's not like,

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<v Ivan>You know, so let's just go. I mean, what the heck? I mean, it wasn't my brother.

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<v Ivan>I mean, we have a good time. So we did. We went over there. We had a good time. Manu had a great time.

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<v Ivan>Manu, you know, in between the fact that I took him on that flight simulator,

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<v Ivan>I don't know if I discussed that. I can't remember.

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<v Sam>I know you talked about it on the curmudgeon's course Slack.

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<v Sam>I'm not sure you mentioned it on the show.

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<v Ivan>No. So I, you know, one of the things that I was doing in order to acclimate

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<v Ivan>Manu to get back the flying was that I was able to get them,

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<v Ivan>get some, book some time at a flight simulator.

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<v Ivan>It looked like a real A320 cockpit.

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<v Sam>Just to be clear, we're talking about not like you're running it on your little

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<v Sam>computer, but a full-fledged, big.

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<v Ivan>Like... A full-fledged cockpit experience, you know, this really felt like,

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<v Ivan>it's not completely like the one that pilots use, but it's a very good one, okay? Okay.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, it was a full cockpit. Actually, I believe that pilots do use

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<v Ivan>this for ground school because it's, but this is not the ones that they use

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<v Ivan>for certification. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. So it wasn't the one on a big, like, hydraulic platform that moves and stuff. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, those are the ones that they use for certification flights and

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<v Ivan>other stuff. But this one, for ground school to train, this is good enough to

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<v Ivan>train a pilot on an A320 for grounds. That's for sure. Okay?

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<v Ivan>Make sure that they know how to operate the controls. Make sure they know how to set destinations.

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<v Ivan>Make sure that they can, everything replicates truly an A320.

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<v Ivan>I got it. Manu had a blast with it. I had a blast with it.

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<v Ivan>And the pilot was a little bit like, well, he did ask me, do you have any flight experience?

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, yes, I do. It's not been a long time.

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<v Ivan>But the thing is, I sat behind the controls and I've watched enough videos and

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<v Ivan>things and used different flight simulator software that I know what I'm looking

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<v Ivan>at when I'm looking at an A320, you know, display.

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<v Ivan>So when he set it up, I know that I've, listen, I've got the controls.

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<v Ivan>He had set the auto throttles. I didn't have to mess with those. He set the speed.

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<v Ivan>He lined us up for landing.

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<v Ivan>And I know that on the artificial horizon, what I got to do is when he set it

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<v Ivan>up in the ILS, the thing that Airbus aircraft have is this really cool flight director thing.

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<v Ivan>And the flight director, basically, it's like these couple of things on the

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<v Ivan>artificial horizon where, listen, you just need to keep it lined up with that

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<v Ivan>and you will land the plane. Now, it's not as easy as it sounds, okay? All right?

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<v Sam>Okay, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Okay, it does take some skill and you using the controls to do it.

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<v Ivan>But if you've had some skill at using the controls to do it, okay, you could do...

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<v Ivan>okay. All right. And so I actually did pretty decent with it.

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<v Ivan>And he was like, what the hell you're, you know, I had some issues with like

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<v Ivan>the actual touchdown itself.

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<v Ivan>And he told me that what he noticed is, well, look, you learn to fly on small planes. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So what happens is that when we're about to land on a small plane,

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<v Ivan>we, we pulled a nose up a lot. Okay.

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<v Ivan>For the land. all right okay on you don't

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<v Ivan>need to do as much on an a320 i kept instinctively as

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<v Ivan>it counted down 50 40 30 i

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<v Ivan>kept instinctively pulling back on the

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<v Ivan>nose and so i i i kind of like i

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<v Ivan>i lofted it a little bit instead of letting it touch

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<v Ivan>down okay so i did that a couple of times when

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<v Ivan>he told me about it the second time around that i did it i got it

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<v Ivan>right on and he was like why don't

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<v Ivan>you get your license again he's a

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<v Ivan>flight instructor so he gave me his card i may

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<v Ivan>take him up on it right now i'm just there's so

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<v Ivan>much going on right i don't want to add anything more yeah i don't want to add

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<v Ivan>anything more right now but but i definitely left me thinking about it because

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<v Ivan>i really quite enjoyed doing that manu had a great time manu's main thing that

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<v Ivan>he liked was first fucking with me with the controls or he was pushing the,

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<v Ivan>he kept pushing the, the, the runner and kept getting me offline.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, why the hell am I getting offline?

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<v Ivan>Then the pilot told me, your son's pushing the runner.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, and also setting off the alerts.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Oh yeah. He loved like, you know, pull up, pull up. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Making it like, you know, pointing the nose down and getting it to,

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<v Ivan>to yell at me to pull up, pull up.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, he liked that. He definitely liked that.

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<v Sam>See, this is the thing with flight simulators and kids in general. The fun part...

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<v Sam>is not straight and level flight or takeoffs or landing.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no.

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<v Sam>The fun part is, like, can we crash in creative ways?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Or can we do flips in a plane that clearly should not be doing flips, you know?

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<v Ivan>Should not be doing flips, yeah.

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<v Sam>Things like that. Aerobatics in a large airliner, you know?

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<v Ivan>Yes. Those are not fun for any of the passengers. I know that,

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<v Ivan>I don't know if you, in which one, the one for X-Plane, If you're using it,

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<v Ivan>they actually add a sound where you hear the passengers scream.

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<v Sam>Yeah, I use X-Plane all the time, and so does Alex. I've never heard the passengers scream.

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<v Ivan>Oh, well, maybe you don't have

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<v Ivan>all the sounds up. You will hear the passengers all of a sudden go, ah!

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<v Sam>Okay, I'll have to get a large... I mean, because Alex has crashed large planes

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<v Sam>in X-Plane quite a few times. I'll have to get that spun up again and see.

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<v Ivan>If you go and like I keep flying usually like a triple seven,

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<v Ivan>simulator a lot if you go like say push the nose down like really hard where

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<v Ivan>you create like a big G input you will hear the passengers like scream.

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<v Sam>Okay. Okay. Gotta work on that. Gotta work on that. Somehow I've missed that.

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<v Ivan>I gotta get the passengers just screaming so yeah so.

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<v Sam>Uh one of the very early videos on his channel is him playing x plane and as

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<v Sam>the plane is doing various things me in the background saying you know this

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<v Sam>is why they don't let six-year-olds pilot planes yes yeah i.

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<v Ivan>Mean you know in real life you had that that guy that russian pilot that let the his kid end up.

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<v Sam>I know right.

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<v Ivan>And literally did crash it.

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<v Sam>I know. Yes. Yes.

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<v Ivan>So, yes, it's been demonstrated in real life. That doesn't work well.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Sam>I mean, not to say that there might not be some very responsible six year olds

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<v Sam>who could handle it properly.

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<v Ivan>However, however, it's not a good idea.

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<v Sam>I don't want to be in that plane.

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<v Ivan>No, I don't want to be on that plane. Okay. So we flew over there.

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<v Ivan>Look, we gave him a tranquilizer as well.

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<v Ivan>I, you know, I had that gas for some tranquilizers. And the first flight,

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<v Ivan>he was a little bit like, he was a little bit. He actually.

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<v Ivan>And the last time I tried, he wouldn't even get on the plane. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>We had, and he was actually anxious all the way to the airport.

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<v Sam>Uh-huh.

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<v Ivan>He was fine. He may have been a little bit, oh, let's go to the lounge.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, no, we're not going to the lounge. We don't have time.

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<v Ivan>Okay. We're going straight to, straight to the, and when we got to the gate,

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<v Ivan>we were boarding already.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Uh, so we went straight on and boarded and he didn't, he didn't make a fuss. We sat down.

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<v Ivan>He's a little bit like a little bit anxious on takeoff, but that was it. He was fine.

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<v Ivan>Everything went fine. It was uneventful.

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<v Ivan>Okay. So, and he likes Dallas Airport. Dallas Airport's quite good.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>It is the biggest airport in the world. Okay.

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<v Sam>Like square foot wise or?

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Sam>It is the biggest airport. It's not the busiest.

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<v Ivan>But, but in terms of like size, geographical. Yeah. It is the biggest airport in the world.

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<v Sam>Which is appropriate for Houston, which also is known for sprawl.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. But, but sit Dallas, not Houston.

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<v Sam>Oh, sorry. I got confused. Well, Dallas is known for sprawl too.

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<v Ivan>Dallas is very, it's a Texas, all of those Texas cities are known for sprawl.

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<v Ivan>brawl and so you know he had uh the thing is that they have like uh now i'm hearing the.

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<v Sam>Damn theme music from the show the.

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<v Ivan>Dallas theme music in my head oh yeah interesting so

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<v Ivan>we we were going around look that the airport has uh the the skylink train which

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<v Ivan>is very you know that listen you very difficult to get around that airport without

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<v Ivan>the train i mean i i know that i've i've had to,

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<v Ivan>one time a long time ago walked from like say terminal C to terminal A,

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<v Ivan>that's a lot of walking okay,

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<v Ivan>I mean, that's a lot of walking. So having the, so he likes the Skylink train.

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<v Ivan>And the cool thing about the Skylink, unlike like in Atlanta, they have subway.

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<v Ivan>You don't get to see anything. You're down underground. You go, you go back and forth.

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<v Ivan>But Skylink, I mean, you get to see the whole airport, you know,

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<v Ivan>you're riding around and you, you see all the airplanes, all the movements, all the gates.

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<v Ivan>It's, it's, it's, it's very cool to get a full view of all of the operations

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<v Ivan>at the airport just to basically just ride around in Skylink and you can see

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<v Ivan>what the heck is going on.

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<v Ivan>So he likes riding to Skylink. He also was very adamant because we couldn't

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<v Ivan>get on the lounge before departure. We had a long layover to return that he

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<v Ivan>wanted to make sure that we did go to the lounge.

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<v Sam>Okay. Very cool.

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<v Ivan>To sit down and eat and, you know, things. Okay.

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<v Sam>So I didn't say at the beginning. As usual we're doing lighter stuff at the

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<v Sam>beginning and And then we will move on to newsy stuff later.

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<v Ivan>Frothy.

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<v Sam>Frothy stuff.

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<v Ivan>Frothy.

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<v Sam>Last time I didn't do any newsy stuff at all. When you were gone last week,

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<v Sam>I just talked, you know, random other crap the whole time. And I was like,

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<v Sam>I don't, I don't feel like news.

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<v Sam>I don't feel like news. I'm not doing news. You know, but.

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<v Ivan>The news. I mean, the news suck.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, all the news suck. You know, it sucks. Everything sucks.

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<v Sam>So do you have any.

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<v Ivan>I don't want to get into any details at work. Things at work have been rough.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, to the point that I wound up at one point even tearing up how bad how bad it was this week.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So anything lighter before I do my stuff?

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<v Sam>I'm going to replace one of my two movies with a story that I have from a couple

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<v Sam>of weeks ago that I saved for you.

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<v Ivan>Anything lighter, lighter, lighter, lighter, lighter. Oh, well, OK, I will mention this.

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<v Ivan>I wound up, you know, look, this week I wound up traveling.

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<v Ivan>I went to Texas on Friday. I came back on Monday I went to Santo Domingo on

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<v Ivan>Tuesday morning And I flew back from Santo Domingo On Wednesday night Okay,

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<v Ivan>Then I had a friend of mine,

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<v Ivan>This very good friend of mine from Brazil that, you know, we've known him from

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<v Ivan>when I started working at HB almost 30 years ago, for God's sakes. Fucking ridiculous.

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<v Ivan>Well, last minute he said, hey, I'm coming to town. I'm going to go see tennis.

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<v Ivan>I'm getting there Friday and I'm getting there on Friday. I'm going to be all

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<v Ivan>week. I'm like, fuck, he's getting here on Friday.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, dude, I'm leaving right now. I'm literally leaving.

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<v Ivan>I'm not coming back until like next Wednesday.

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<v Ivan>Okay, we'll see you when you get back Wednesday. So then I texted him,

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<v Ivan>hey, when are you leaving?

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<v Ivan>And he says, Friday morning. It's like, fuck, Friday morning.

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<v Ivan>Shit. So the only night is Thursday. So he was in Miami, which is,

00:16:09.050 --> 00:16:10.050
<v Ivan>you know, it's like downtown.

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<v Ivan>Like, you know, like to you to go to downtown Seattle, you know,

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<v Ivan>it's, I mean, it's a, it's a, you know, it's a pain.

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<v Ivan>And I've already been to Miami already three times the damn week.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, fuck, fine, fine.

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<v Ivan>We'll go meet you for dinner. Problem is, of course, you know,

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<v Ivan>having to meet him for dinner, not on the, I was hoping the weekend,

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<v Ivan>not on the weekend. It was like, hey, let me meet him after work on Thursday. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Fuck. I leave here. Rush out. It's just nuts.

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<v Ivan>Okay. So it took like an hour and a half to get to Miami.

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<v Ivan>To give you an example, at four in the morning one day that I drove to the airport,

00:16:46.670 --> 00:16:48.490
<v Ivan>it takes me 40 minutes. Okay.

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<v Ivan>It took an hour and a half. Okay. to get there.

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<v Ivan>And then to come back, it took two hours because Florida Department of Transportation,

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<v Ivan>the geniuses that they are,

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<v Ivan>decided that the construction they were going to do on Thursday night,

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<v Ivan>hey, I go and I get to this place, you're going on I-95 North,

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<v Ivan>which has four lanes, okay, four or five lanes, you know, northbound.

00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:19.750
<v Ivan>Express lanes closed. So that leaves three or four. It has six.

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<v Ivan>So that took cut it down to four.

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<v Ivan>Then at some point, it splits into

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<v Ivan>the turnpike where you can go take the turnpike or continue a 95 north.

00:17:29.780 --> 00:17:34.800
<v Ivan>Oh, well, the exit to the turnpike is closed. I'm like, fuck.

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<v Ivan>Exit to the turnpike. And by the way, here's the crazy thing.

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<v Ivan>I think they closed it just as I was driving north because the GPS showed it

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<v Ivan>was open when I was going.

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<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, traffic built up and it's closed.

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<v Ivan>So they must have just closed it, okay? as I'm driving up. And I'm like,

00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:56.840
<v Ivan>fuck. They closed. Okay.

00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:04.060
<v Ivan>All right. But then it says, hey, lanes closed on I-95. More lanes closed.

00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:08.340
<v Ivan>Like, more lanes closed. How many fucking lanes could they decide to close if

00:18:08.340 --> 00:18:09.260
<v Ivan>they already closed the turnpike?

00:18:09.380 --> 00:18:14.080
<v Ivan>Look, they had narrowed it down to only one fucking lane.

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<v Ivan>One lane northbound.

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<v Ivan>When normally you've got six fucking lanes plus the turnpike where people get

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<v Ivan>off, which is an extra three more lanes, nine lanes, and they narrowed this down to one fucking...

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<v Ivan>Listen, you can't close the turnpike and close all the lanes on 95 at the same

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<v Ivan>time. You got to do one or the other, you cheap fucks.

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<v Ivan>The hell? It was like midnight, and it's the biggest traffic jam ever at fucking

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<v Ivan>11 o'clock at night. It was just crazy.

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<v Ivan>Okay but when

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<v Ivan>i got to downtown yes oh my

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<v Ivan>god sam this whole influencer live

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<v Ivan>stream crowd is just so fucked up man so i get to this place look we'll go to

00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.900
<v Ivan>this restaurant that i've normally gone to but the area around it has grown

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<v Ivan>a lot and i haven't been there last time i was there was like two years ago

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<v Ivan>and and this has been like a change post-pandemic by the way this is this This

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<v Ivan>wasn't like that pre-pandemic.

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<v Ivan>And I get there, and it's just so crowded, but it's all these young influencers

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<v Ivan>with their media sticks and the things that they're all live streaming to show

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<v Ivan>how they are downtown and we're so cool.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like thinking, could you fucking guys go and like have a good time instead

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<v Ivan>of like trying to stream to everybody to tell them that you're having a good time?

00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:39.420
<v Ivan>And all of them are all in these hyper, they're all like in their 20s,

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<v Ivan>and I guess their parents have

00:19:41.180 --> 00:19:44.820
<v Ivan>a lot of money, And they're all in these ridiculously expensive carts.

00:19:44.980 --> 00:19:47.500
<v Ivan>Like, all of them are over $400,000.

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<v Ivan>And they're all parked, like, in this spot, like, up there. And they're all,

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<v Ivan>like, showing themselves live on video.

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<v Ivan>And I'm trying to avoid all these. Look, I'm just trying to get to this fucking restaurant.

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<v Ivan>I need you all to get the fuck out of my way. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But it was just a bizarre, bizarre look at the modern influencer lifestyle for

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<v Ivan>more minutes than I really wanted to.

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<v Sam>So what you're telling me is after we finish recording the show,

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<v Sam>I should just switch from live streaming on my computer to live stream on my

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<v Sam>phone and live stream the rest of the day, no matter what's going on,

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<v Sam>no matter what I'm doing.

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<v Ivan>But you need to go and trade in your car for a $450,000 Rolls-Royce SUV.

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<v Sam>Oh, I'll get right on that.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Because that's the thing that gets... Yes. Because that's the thing that

00:20:46.560 --> 00:20:47.540
<v Ivan>apparently gets attention.

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<v Sam>Oh, okay. Okay.

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<v Sam>Can I get one of those, like, sort of kits where I just change the logo of my existing car?

00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:59.030
<v Ivan>You know what? Actually, that would be even better. I got to be honest with you.

00:20:59.210 --> 00:20:59.790
<v Sam>Let's just get it.

00:20:59.950 --> 00:21:03.290
<v Ivan>Yes. Let's just do a kit. There's got to be some kind of kit.

00:21:03.430 --> 00:21:07.090
<v Ivan>Hey, turn Ionic 5 into Rolls kit.

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<v Ivan>Listen, people have done that throughout time.

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<v Ivan>There's got to be a kit. And that would be fantastic. And then we live stream that. Perfect.

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<v Sam>There you go.

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<v Ivan>We are the anti-influencer group. We go in there, and we arrive in the Kitted

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<v Ivan>Out Ionic 5. Perfect. I love it.

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<v Sam>There you go. Okay. My turn. Do you want a movie first or my story first?

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<v Ivan>Let's go to the story first. Okay.

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<v Sam>So I had intended to do this last week, but you were out, and I decided to save

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<v Sam>it for when you were here. So this is almost two weeks ago now.

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<v Sam>But I figured you would appreciate this story more than me just saying it to myself last week.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. So here's the fundamental deal.

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<v Sam>Two weeks ago, Brandy had finished up her session at the legislature in Olympia

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<v Sam>and, you know, was moving all her stuff out. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. Because she rents a house with another legislature, legislator,

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<v Sam>for the months that they're in session. And so she's got all kinds of stuff.

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<v Ivan>How long is the session, by the way?

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<v Sam>From early January. Well, it changes by year.

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<v Sam>Like, they have short sessions and long sessions. election years are like are

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<v Sam>shorter so this wasn't this is an election year so it's shorter so it went from

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<v Sam>like the second week of january to the second week of march okay so basically two week of.

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<v Ivan>January to okay so it's only two weeks okay.

00:22:42.510 --> 00:22:44.650
<v Sam>Two months months not two months.

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<v Ivan>Two months no two months okay.

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<v Sam>Yes and then in the long session it's like it's like three months instead okay

00:22:51.170 --> 00:22:53.930
<v Sam>so okay And I'm rounding here.

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<v Sam>It's like, it's not quite. And it's like, whatever.

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<v Sam>It's close enough. Two months and three months.

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<v Sam>And so she's got stuff in her office to move.

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<v Sam>She's got stuff in the place she rented to move. Because she,

00:23:07.610 --> 00:23:09.490
<v Sam>of course, brings like all kinds of supplies.

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<v Sam>She's got stuff because she's going to be there for, you know, a couple months.

00:23:13.090 --> 00:23:16.850
<v Sam>So it's basically like moving in for a couple months. It's not like the stuff

00:23:16.850 --> 00:23:19.730
<v Sam>you bring to a hotel for a week, you know.

00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:20.690
<v Ivan>Right, right, right.

00:23:21.350 --> 00:23:22.950
<v Sam>You know, so, anyway.

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<v Ivan>Is it like an Airbnb? I mean, what do you get? Do you get like an Airbnb?

00:23:28.190 --> 00:23:32.830
<v Sam>It's an Airbnb. It's a whole house. But it's, yes, they get it through.

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<v Sam>I don't know if they used Airbnb or some other service, but they rented an entire

00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:39.490
<v Sam>house. Okay. Her and one roommate. Right.

00:23:39.810 --> 00:23:40.110
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:23:41.070 --> 00:23:45.310
<v Sam>So, anyway, or housemate, I should say. They didn't actually share a room.

00:23:45.690 --> 00:23:46.830
<v Sam>At least I don't think they did.

00:23:46.830 --> 00:23:47.050
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:47.050 --> 00:23:50.490
<v Sam>Maybe they did and they're just not telling me, you know, but, you know. Anyway.

00:23:50.490 --> 00:23:53.310
<v Ivan>I keep forgetting that. I call room, you know, I've made that mistake,

00:23:53.410 --> 00:23:54.950
<v Ivan>and you're absolutely right.

00:23:55.070 --> 00:23:59.910
<v Ivan>Like, when I had, like, you know, when somebody, you know, shared a,

00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:06.350
<v Ivan>One of the rooms in my apartment, their housemates, they're not a roommate. We didn't share a room.

00:24:06.690 --> 00:24:08.910
<v Sam>Right. Right. Exactly. So anyway.

00:24:09.250 --> 00:24:09.530
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:24:09.690 --> 00:24:12.650
<v Sam>So I am at home with Alex.

00:24:12.990 --> 00:24:16.970
<v Sam>We are, the initial expectation is just she's going to pack up the rest of her

00:24:16.970 --> 00:24:18.670
<v Sam>stuff and then come home.

00:24:19.850 --> 00:24:21.910
<v Sam>And it's in the evening.

00:24:23.490 --> 00:24:28.310
<v Sam>But around like, I don't know, 8 p.m.

00:24:28.470 --> 00:24:34.450
<v Sam>or something, she starts telling me that two things, two important notes.

00:24:34.850 --> 00:24:36.830
<v Sam>One, she's not feeling that good.

00:24:37.590 --> 00:24:43.690
<v Sam>And two, she's not sure all the stuff will fit in her car. Okay?

00:24:46.530 --> 00:24:51.570
<v Sam>So she's calling me, and she has to be out of the house that night.

00:24:51.910 --> 00:24:56.090
<v Sam>So like, you know, she, so there's no, like, oh, we'll just do it tomorrow.

00:24:56.370 --> 00:25:00.350
<v Sam>Okay. So she has to be out of the house that night. So she's working on the stuff.

00:25:00.870 --> 00:25:05.810
<v Sam>And I, I, I ask a few times, like, okay, do I need to, you need me to come down?

00:25:05.970 --> 00:25:08.190
<v Sam>Do you need a second car? You need, do you need help?

00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:13.290
<v Sam>And for longest time, she's like, no, no, I got it. I'll, I'll figure it out. I got it.

00:25:15.150 --> 00:25:19.350
<v Sam>Eventually she's like, yes, I do need you. Okay.

00:25:19.350 --> 00:25:22.030
<v Sam>by this time it's like 10 30 p.m or

00:25:22.030 --> 00:25:27.130
<v Sam>something you know olympia is like at least it's the middle of the night like

00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:31.190
<v Sam>if it if it was during the day it's like two hours plus to go because of traffic

00:25:31.190 --> 00:25:34.890
<v Sam>but like in the middle of the night you can do it in under two hours i mean

00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:40.190
<v Sam>you could probably do it in 30 minutes because you know you're a maniac on roads but you know how.

00:25:40.190 --> 00:25:41.090
<v Ivan>Many miles is it.

00:25:42.410 --> 00:25:44.150
<v Sam>I'll tell you hold on,

00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Sam>It's 67 miles.

00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:55.340
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck. Wait, how long did you say it was going to take you a night?

00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:59.740
<v Sam>Right now, if I drove it, at this very second while we're recording,

00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:01.700
<v Sam>Waze says an hour and 35 minutes.

00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:03.580
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck that.

00:26:04.020 --> 00:26:04.980
<v Sam>Fuck that.

00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:09.060
<v Ivan>I'd be there. Jesus Christ. Like, 50 minutes tops.

00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:13.720
<v Sam>See, the problem is you have to go through downtown Seattle to get there.

00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:19.220
<v Ivan>Ah. No, but even still, you go through the highway through downtown.

00:26:19.580 --> 00:26:21.600
<v Sam>Yeah, but there's traffic, you know.

00:26:21.740 --> 00:26:23.740
<v Ivan>Yeah, but not at 11 o'clock at night.

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:26.600
<v Sam>No, no, not at 11 o'clock at night. No, no, no.

00:26:26.840 --> 00:26:30.820
<v Sam>So like I said, you could probably make it in like 30 minutes or some crap,

00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:33.760
<v Sam>you know, but we're not going to make it in 30 minutes.

00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:34.020
<v Ivan>No.

00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:39.380
<v Sam>Anyway, the point is, I'm not leaving home until like 1030 or something.

00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.120
<v Sam>I forget exactly what time it is.

00:26:42.260 --> 00:26:49.340
<v Sam>and you know and i'm meeting her and here's the thing here's where the story part you have a.

00:26:49.340 --> 00:26:51.120
<v Ivan>Full charge on your car.

00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.840
<v Sam>I did not so here's where

00:26:53.840 --> 00:26:57.140
<v Sam>the story starts coming in because i

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.940
<v Sam>had not planned on a long trip so i was just you

00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:03.360
<v Sam>know trickle charging like i usually do and i was going to catch up on the weekend

00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Sam>so it was a little low and i actually had not plugged in that particular time

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:17.180
<v Sam>yet that day even because this was before my last procedure and I was in a lot of pain still.

00:27:17.930 --> 00:27:21.690
<v Sam>And, like, the last time I had come home, I had brought Alex home from school

00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:27.170
<v Sam>or whatever, and I had just gone straight in because I had to carry,

00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:28.870
<v Sam>like, stuff or whatever.

00:27:28.930 --> 00:27:32.850
<v Sam>And I was like, I just went in and collapsed. I didn't go back out and plug the thing in.

00:27:32.850 --> 00:27:34.970
<v Ivan>Okay, well, fuck it. You got to supercharge somewhere. Okay.

00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:40.150
<v Sam>Right. So I'm like, no problem. There's going to be—we're going up and down I-5.

00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:43.190
<v Sam>There are going to be superchargers all over the place. Not a problem at all.

00:27:45.370 --> 00:27:50.850
<v Sam>Anyway, so—and I checked. There was enough to get there. just not enough coming back okay right.

00:27:50.850 --> 00:27:51.590
<v Ivan>Right right right.

00:27:51.590 --> 00:27:54.510
<v Sam>So because i and i was like i'll charge

00:27:54.510 --> 00:27:58.650
<v Sam>i'll charge on the way back i'm not going to bother charging now and then going

00:27:58.650 --> 00:28:03.390
<v Sam>because that was an option i could have charged a supercharger near me topped

00:28:03.390 --> 00:28:07.830
<v Sam>up and then had enough for round trip right but i didn't do that i went down

00:28:07.830 --> 00:28:11.670
<v Sam>there i met her at the state capitol because she'd already finished everything

00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:14.370
<v Sam>at her house but she needed to get a few more things from her office,

00:28:14.830 --> 00:28:19.750
<v Sam>And so I met her at the state capitol at after midnight, took a picture of the

00:28:19.750 --> 00:28:22.630
<v Sam>state capitol, posted it to Blue Sky or whatever.

00:28:23.530 --> 00:28:26.850
<v Sam>And we got the rest of the stuff we needed. Also, I'll mention,

00:28:27.030 --> 00:28:30.430
<v Sam>this is still me. Like I said, before surgery, I'm in pain.

00:28:31.190 --> 00:28:36.850
<v Sam>Whenever I move, it hurts. Whenever I move, like if I move even a little bit,

00:28:37.030 --> 00:28:41.110
<v Sam>then the side effect of me moving is I desperately have to pee.

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:45.440
<v Sam>Oh, nice. At least I feel like I have to.

00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Sam>And there's a disconnect between how much is actually ready to come out of me versus how I feel.

00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.360
<v Sam>Like, I feel like I'm about to explode. And then I actually get to a bathroom

00:28:55.360 --> 00:28:56.520
<v Sam>and there's like a few drops.

00:28:56.780 --> 00:28:57.180
<v Ivan>It's just a squirt.

00:28:57.600 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Sam>Yes. Right. But in any way, it becomes incredibly desperate.

00:29:02.540 --> 00:29:07.500
<v Sam>Like, if I walk like 30 feet, then it's like, ah, I gotta go. Okay.

00:29:07.780 --> 00:29:11.120
<v Sam>So anyway, I'm there. I help her with the last couple things.

00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:15.760
<v Sam>And honestly, I was basically providing just room in my car for these last couple

00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:21.540
<v Sam>things because she managed to fit everything from her B&B or whatever into her

00:29:21.540 --> 00:29:23.780
<v Sam>car, but not the extra stuff from her office.

00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.020
<v Sam>So I was providing the backseat of my car and, you know, the trunk of my car for a few extra items.

00:29:30.300 --> 00:29:32.380
<v Sam>You know, that's basically what I was there for.

00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:36.180
<v Sam>And so we do that. And then it's like one in the morning or something.

00:29:36.220 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Sam>And I'm ready to go. I'm like, OK, great.

00:29:38.620 --> 00:29:42.380
<v Sam>I find the closest supercharger. it's only like two miles away no problem i

00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:47.280
<v Sam>go to the supercharger and i go to charge and she's going off she decided she

00:29:47.280 --> 00:29:50.900
<v Sam>was booking a hotel for the night because she wasn't feeling good she was she

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:55.280
<v Sam>booked a hotel for the night she was gonna sleep and then come home in the morning okay.

00:29:55.280 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Ivan>Probably yeah okay.

00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:06.040
<v Sam>Sensible so so i go to the supercharger oh boy and i plug in and it says it's

00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:08.780
<v Sam>charging for 10 seconds and then it stops.

00:30:09.560 --> 00:30:13.900
<v Sam>And I'm like, well, crap. Okay, well, I've done this before.

00:30:14.780 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Sam>At the supercharger near me, this has sometimes happened, where one of the chargers doesn't work.

00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.140
<v Sam>I just change to a different parking spot and it works just fine.

00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:26.060
<v Sam>So I do that. Same thing. Doesn't work.

00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.740
<v Sam>I try a third spot. Same thing. Doesn't work.

00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:37.110
<v Sam>I'm like, well, shit. And by the way, the process of doing this,

00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:38.470
<v Sam>I already need to pee again.

00:30:38.850 --> 00:30:40.750
<v Sam>Like, because I've been moving to do it.

00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:45.050
<v Sam>And I'm in the middle of, like, some parking lot at, like, a mall.

00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:46.870
<v Sam>Everything's closed because it's

00:30:46.870 --> 00:30:49.510
<v Sam>1 in the morning. It's not like there's someplace I can run in to pee.

00:30:49.750 --> 00:30:51.830
<v Ivan>Just pee somewhere around there in the bushes.

00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:54.170
<v Sam>I wasn't going to do that.

00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:58.130
<v Ivan>What do you mean? Fucking Jesus Christ, it's midnight. There's nobody,

00:30:58.310 --> 00:30:59.810
<v Ivan>2 in the morning, there's nobody around.

00:30:59.810 --> 00:31:04.670
<v Sam>Well, there were actually there were two other cars at the supercharger and

00:31:04.670 --> 00:31:06.270
<v Sam>it was working just fine for them.

00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:09.090
<v Sam>OK, it was working just fine for them, apparently.

00:31:09.290 --> 00:31:10.350
<v Ivan>All right. So it's a you problem.

00:31:10.610 --> 00:31:15.770
<v Sam>OK, so it's probably a you problem. But I'm like, well, where's the next closest supercharger?

00:31:17.050 --> 00:31:22.290
<v Sam>And, you know, I there was there were a couple like ones and twosies superchargers

00:31:22.290 --> 00:31:25.230
<v Sam>that were low speed and I ignored them.

00:31:25.230 --> 00:31:27.970
<v Sam>there was a and i i also

00:31:27.970 --> 00:31:31.270
<v Sam>like i never got the adapter thing to work properly so

00:31:31.270 --> 00:31:34.450
<v Sam>i'm only going to tesla you know ones with tesla plugs

00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:37.410
<v Sam>but then and and actually that's

00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:40.350
<v Sam>a thing like i was like maybe whatever was

00:31:40.350 --> 00:31:43.070
<v Sam>wrong with getting the adapter to work which i've never gone back

00:31:43.070 --> 00:31:46.010
<v Sam>to ask a dealership about because maybe there's a

00:31:46.010 --> 00:31:48.910
<v Sam>chance it was related to when amy hit my car if

00:31:48.910 --> 00:31:51.770
<v Sam>you remember okay yeah like the normal

00:31:51.770 --> 00:31:56.370
<v Sam>charger worked fine but the the adapter never did and i don't think i ever tried

00:31:56.370 --> 00:32:03.210
<v Sam>it before then but anyway for those of you who can't see yvonne is holding his

00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:09.010
<v Sam>head in his hands he is appalled so yeah because.

00:32:09.010 --> 00:32:13.490
<v Ivan>Here's the thing right like with my wife's car and this is not even my car i

00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:18.970
<v Ivan>went and i fucking went and myself double checked to make sure that the stupid fucking,

00:32:19.610 --> 00:32:23.550
<v Ivan>charging was working like it's a super charge even though we never needed it

00:32:23.550 --> 00:32:29.330
<v Ivan>just to make sure I tried the adapt I'm like I need to make sure this shit works I'm like,

00:32:30.530 --> 00:32:35.190
<v Ivan>I can't be on a business trip, and all of a sudden, my wife is somehow low on

00:32:35.190 --> 00:32:36.670
<v Ivan>charge, and it doesn't fucking work.

00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:42.830
<v Sam>Yeah, and so we had tried the adapter. We just, it never worked. It never worked.

00:32:43.510 --> 00:32:45.570
<v Ivan>So the regular Tesla charger worked for it. I made sure, like,

00:32:45.610 --> 00:32:47.190
<v Ivan>I had the issue where I had with

00:32:47.190 --> 00:32:50.110
<v Ivan>the charging over here where it wasn't working. I made sure I fucking.

00:32:50.210 --> 00:32:53.130
<v Sam>Like, almost didn't sleep. It's not just that you checked, because we checked.

00:32:53.330 --> 00:32:55.990
<v Sam>You just, when you found out it didn't work, you did something about it.

00:32:56.130 --> 00:32:56.570
<v Ivan>Yes!

00:32:56.810 --> 00:32:58.810
<v Sam>Correct! Okay, that's the part I didn't do.

00:32:58.810 --> 00:33:04.170
<v Ivan>I fixed the problem. I went and I fucking spent like a whole day figuring out

00:33:04.170 --> 00:33:05.590
<v Ivan>what the fuck the problem was.

00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:09.310
<v Ivan>Which, by the way, I found out in my case, it was the form of payment.

00:33:10.070 --> 00:33:14.930
<v Ivan>And the stupid ChargePoint app should have... I wanted the people at ChargePoint

00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:19.330
<v Ivan>should be shot because, dude, really?

00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:22.570
<v Ivan>You couldn't explain to me there was an issue with the form of payment?

00:33:23.230 --> 00:33:23.670
<v Sam>Right.

00:33:24.450 --> 00:33:26.190
<v Ivan>You're going to tell me that that was your problem.

00:33:26.770 --> 00:33:29.390
<v Sam>Not quite, but you're getting warm. Okay.

00:33:29.570 --> 00:33:30.850
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck.

00:33:31.950 --> 00:33:37.910
<v Sam>So I find the next supercharger and it's like another like 20,

00:33:38.030 --> 00:33:40.590
<v Sam>30 miles up the road or something. And I have enough to get there.

00:33:40.950 --> 00:33:46.310
<v Sam>But I'm like, OK, here's the deal. If I get like right now where I am,

00:33:46.550 --> 00:33:49.890
<v Sam>I'm like three miles from my wife's hotel.

00:33:50.350 --> 00:33:53.290
<v Sam>I could go to her hotel and figure it out in the morning.

00:33:54.050 --> 00:33:59.790
<v Sam>If, on the other hand, I go to this Charger, there's a chance I won't be able

00:33:59.790 --> 00:34:04.010
<v Sam>to get home and I won't be able to get back to her hotel either. Okay?

00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:05.870
<v Ivan>Oh, my gosh. Oh, God.

00:34:06.290 --> 00:34:09.250
<v Sam>I decide to go to the next Charger anyway.

00:34:09.530 --> 00:34:10.410
<v Ivan>Oh, no.

00:34:12.370 --> 00:34:17.690
<v Sam>So I drive the extra 20 or 30 miles down the road to the next Charger.

00:34:19.650 --> 00:34:25.590
<v Sam>And same damn thing. I try three or four different chargers at the spot.

00:34:25.830 --> 00:34:29.970
<v Sam>I try, I'm like, maybe there's a loose connection. I try sort of just like holding

00:34:29.970 --> 00:34:35.030
<v Sam>the charger and in weird positions and seeing, you know, does it help if I shove

00:34:35.030 --> 00:34:37.270
<v Sam>it in harder? Maybe something's loose.

00:34:38.390 --> 00:34:44.370
<v Sam>And I call Brandy and I'm like, nothing's working. Nothing's working.

00:34:45.090 --> 00:34:51.110
<v Sam>What, you know, what should we do? And I check the distance.

00:34:51.110 --> 00:34:53.870
<v Sam>I do have enough to get back to her hotel.

00:34:54.670 --> 00:34:56.830
<v Sam>Barely. With like maybe two or three miles to spare.

00:34:56.830 --> 00:35:00.190
<v Ivan>Was there a trickle charger there perhaps at that hotel or something?

00:35:00.450 --> 00:35:00.870
<v Sam>No.

00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:01.850
<v Ivan>Fuck.

00:35:01.950 --> 00:35:08.450
<v Sam>No. But I could get back to her hotel with maybe two or three miles to spare. I'm like, okay, fine.

00:35:09.680 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Sam>I will come to your hotel. We will call and get this like towed to a Hyundai

00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.780
<v Sam>dealership in the morning for them to check it out.

00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.240
<v Sam>There's obviously something wrong with the car. Okay.

00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:21.620
<v Sam>There's something wrong with the charger.

00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:28.680
<v Sam>I'm like, okay, Alex may have to miss school tomorrow if neither of us can get

00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:32.620
<v Sam>home in time to take him to school, whatever, whatever, but I'll do this because

00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:35.200
<v Sam>I'd left Alex at home. He was asleep when I left.

00:35:35.560 --> 00:35:40.560
<v Sam>Like, so, you know, I texted him a message of where I went in case he woke up.

00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, he's an adult.

00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Sam>An adult. Close, close. He's 16. He's 16. He can handle it.

00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Ivan>In some places, he would be considered a legal adult.

00:35:52.660 --> 00:35:57.540
<v Sam>We have no concerns about leaving. We could leave him alone for a week. He'd be fine. Okay?

00:35:58.260 --> 00:35:59.340
<v Ivan>Starving, but fine.

00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:01.940
<v Sam>No, he would feed himself. He feeds himself all the time.

00:36:01.940 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Ivan>Oh, he would feed? Okay.

00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Sam>Yeah, he feeds himself. He's made Instacart orders for more groceries.

00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:11.660
<v Sam>You know, he can take care of himself.

00:36:11.700 --> 00:36:13.520
<v Ivan>Okay, okay, so he won't starve. Okay, okay.

00:36:13.620 --> 00:36:15.560
<v Sam>He won't starve. He can take care of himself.

00:36:16.460 --> 00:36:19.560
<v Sam>now would what he eats be

00:36:19.560 --> 00:36:25.160
<v Sam>great probably not but honestly it would probably be better than when i'm feeding

00:36:25.160 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Sam>him you know like he'll make me dinner he'll make me like hamburgers and stuff

00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Sam>and other he's made thanksgiving dinner for us like so he'd be fine he'd be better than us.

00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:45.160
<v Sam>Anyway i on the way back to hotel i'm like i'll try that first supercharger

00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:50.260
<v Sam>one last time It's only like a little bit off the highway. I'll try that one last time.

00:36:50.660 --> 00:36:56.940
<v Sam>I go there and I'm like, maybe I'll just try a different one.

00:36:57.060 --> 00:37:02.280
<v Sam>I will try one of the slots where I saw someone successfully charging a couple hours ago.

00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:09.100
<v Sam>And of course, nothing. And of course, this entire time, this entire time driving

00:37:09.100 --> 00:37:12.780
<v Sam>back and forth, I'm like desperate to pee. That's what, you know.

00:37:14.100 --> 00:37:23.560
<v Sam>So I finally get to her hotel I meet her there I park the car in the hotel parking lot I go in I'm like,

00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:28.980
<v Sam>The whole plan is We'll call and we'll deal with it in the morning I can sleep

00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Sam>And by this time it's like 2.30 in the morning or something,

00:37:33.340 --> 00:37:37.660
<v Sam>I get in there And of course as I said I desperately needed to pee I go to the

00:37:37.660 --> 00:37:41.540
<v Sam>bathroom And as you do when you go to the bathroom You pick up your phone,

00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:48.750
<v Sam>I look at my phone. I pop into my email. I see email from Hyundai.

00:37:49.290 --> 00:37:53.310
<v Sam>I see 15 emails from Hyundai.

00:37:53.970 --> 00:37:58.770
<v Sam>And what do you think those say, Yvonne?

00:37:59.170 --> 00:38:00.830
<v Ivan>Your credit card has been declined.

00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:04.430
<v Sam>No. No. No? Okay.

00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:10.450
<v Sam>There are 15 emails saying that charging service is blocked because I have not

00:38:10.450 --> 00:38:12.610
<v Sam>accepted the revised terms of service.

00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:15.210
<v Ivan>Oh, get the fuck out of here.

00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:21.330
<v Ivan>Sam, you live looking at your phone.

00:38:21.870 --> 00:38:26.910
<v Ivan>How the fuck had you not looked at this?

00:38:27.170 --> 00:38:32.590
<v Sam>There were no alerts. I had to go into my email and not even my priority.

00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:35.990
<v Ivan>You live looking at your fucking phone.

00:38:36.250 --> 00:38:40.110
<v Sam>I don't look at my email very often. And when I look at my email.

00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:41.890
<v Ivan>Oh, well, not your email. You have said that, yes.

00:38:41.890 --> 00:38:48.350
<v Sam>And in my email, I have accounts that are set to VIP, and I almost always only

00:38:48.350 --> 00:38:51.550
<v Sam>look at the VIP mailbox. I only look at the other mailbox, like,

00:38:51.550 --> 00:38:56.290
<v Sam>every couple weeks, like, that has my non-VIP mail.

00:38:56.310 --> 00:39:01.990
<v Sam>I just happened to poke in while I was, you know, in the bathroom, and I saw this.

00:39:02.150 --> 00:39:08.550
<v Sam>And so there were 15 fucking emails. And by the way, no alerts on the damn phone.

00:39:08.550 --> 00:39:14.710
<v Sam>like Hyundai sends me alerts Hyundai's app sends me alerts if I leave the door

00:39:14.710 --> 00:39:19.990
<v Sam>unlocked for 20 seconds it doesn't send me an alert for this yes.

00:39:19.990 --> 00:39:23.350
<v Ivan>That is a big massive fail.

00:39:24.810 --> 00:39:33.050
<v Sam>And so like yeah I had to go into the app and then within the app go into a

00:39:33.050 --> 00:39:37.470
<v Sam>sub menu and then within that sub menu accept the terms of service,

00:39:38.590 --> 00:39:42.950
<v Sam>And then everything was okay. So I did, I did at this point,

00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:47.510
<v Sam>like sleep for several hours at the hotel. I was like, it's already three in the morning.

00:39:48.410 --> 00:39:52.750
<v Sam>I slept. My intention was to sleep for like an hour and then get back on the road.

00:39:52.890 --> 00:39:56.430
<v Sam>In fact, I slept until like 8 a.m. or something. And then I got back on the road.

00:39:57.190 --> 00:40:01.890
<v Sam>But eight or nine. But yeah, as soon as I accepted the damn terms of service,

00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:03.010
<v Sam>everything worked perfectly.

00:40:03.710 --> 00:40:08.090
<v Sam>But it didn't tell me. It didn't tell me. Like if it had popped up.

00:40:08.810 --> 00:40:13.250
<v Ivan>I mean, but that's it's a similar fail to mine, except a different one,

00:40:13.290 --> 00:40:17.290
<v Ivan>because I mean, I went and I had I had gone and like made sure,

00:40:17.550 --> 00:40:20.290
<v Ivan>right, that I wasn't in a situation where I was in a.

00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:24.690
<v Ivan>almost out of charge to figure out that i i

00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:27.430
<v Ivan>had a situation where you know i i

00:40:27.430 --> 00:40:30.310
<v Ivan>came home the car had 30 i plugged

00:40:30.310 --> 00:40:33.250
<v Ivan>tried to charge it wouldn't charge i didn't understand

00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:36.430
<v Ivan>what the fuck was going on and i i went

00:40:36.430 --> 00:40:39.530
<v Ivan>and i the thing is that i could plug it into my

00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:42.330
<v Ivan>garage on the trickle charger just you know on the

00:40:42.330 --> 00:40:44.990
<v Ivan>110 and so i just went like look i'm gonna

00:40:44.990 --> 00:40:47.870
<v Ivan>plug it into the i'm gonna put it in the garage and put

00:40:47.870 --> 00:40:50.650
<v Ivan>it on the slow charger and let me see what happens

00:40:50.650 --> 00:40:53.530
<v Ivan>and then and and the thing is that i also tried to plug to charge

00:40:53.530 --> 00:40:56.630
<v Ivan>my volvo and it wouldn't charge either and

00:40:56.630 --> 00:41:00.150
<v Ivan>i'm like what the fuck you can't charge either car what the hell is going on

00:41:00.150 --> 00:41:05.410
<v Ivan>and then and i took it to a supercharger nearby and it worked perfectly so i'm

00:41:05.410 --> 00:41:11.010
<v Ivan>like what the fuck you know but but our chargers here are charge point the the

00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:16.230
<v Ivan>supercharger's fpl is a different account and so um properly.

00:41:16.230 --> 00:41:17.910
<v Sam>Or it had different.

00:41:17.910 --> 00:41:23.830
<v Ivan>Apparently apparently the card had expired okay but it didn't tell me that way

00:41:23.830 --> 00:41:30.370
<v Ivan>i'm like you know like you said about all these dumb ass notifications hey tell

00:41:30.370 --> 00:41:37.290
<v Ivan>me the fucking card expired right it didn't say anything it actually no.

00:41:37.290 --> 00:41:38.250
<v Sam>Not a single.

00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:41.030
<v Ivan>Message warning nothing Now.

00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:45.470
<v Sam>If I had gone into the app and looked in the right submenu of the app,

00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:46.610
<v Sam>I would have seen something.

00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:52.170
<v Sam>But I never use the app when I plug into the chargers because I have it all

00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:56.410
<v Sam>set up to be automatic. I just plug in and it charges me and I don't have to look at a damn thing.

00:41:57.150 --> 00:42:01.590
<v Sam>And so, no, I had not opened my Hyundai app. And so...

00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:07.750
<v Sam>Yes. It's like, again, I get all these stupid notifications for all kinds of

00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:08.990
<v Sam>other things. And I shouldn't say stupid.

00:42:09.130 --> 00:42:10.390
<v Sam>I actually appreciate it when

00:42:10.390 --> 00:42:13.970
<v Sam>it tells me my car is unlocked that I forgot and I lock the car, you know?

00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:18.250
<v Sam>But at the same time, I would appreciate this one even more.

00:42:18.430 --> 00:42:22.850
<v Sam>And when I finally rolled into that charger in the morning, after I figured

00:42:22.850 --> 00:42:26.650
<v Sam>this out, I had less than five miles on the thing.

00:42:27.370 --> 00:42:29.470
<v Sam>Like, if it had not. Well, you made it.

00:42:29.590 --> 00:42:29.930
<v Ivan>You made it.

00:42:29.930 --> 00:42:31.090
<v Sam>I made it. I did make it.

00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:34.030
<v Ivan>You made it. You made it. You made it. You made it. You made it.

00:42:34.130 --> 00:42:35.270
<v Ivan>You didn't get stranded.

00:42:35.850 --> 00:42:42.290
<v Ivan>I had expected. I fully expected. Sam finally got stranded with no charge story.

00:42:42.630 --> 00:42:49.430
<v Ivan>And no, I did not get that. You wound up, you wound up, you know, barely eking it out.

00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:54.690
<v Sam>Yeah. Barely eking it out. Because if I had run out, then I would have been stuck.

00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:56.910
<v Sam>I would have had to call somebody. would have had to do something,

00:42:57.110 --> 00:43:00.010
<v Sam>you know, get it, get it like whatever it would, it would have been,

00:43:00.170 --> 00:43:07.250
<v Sam>or if I had not looked at my email, this part of my email that I don't usually check, then.

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:12.220
<v Sam>Then we still would have called and had the thing towed in the morning and they

00:43:12.220 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Sam>would have been like, you dumbass, everything's fine.

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:18.600
<v Ivan>This shit is a reason why I even still to this day, even though I've got like,

00:43:18.700 --> 00:43:22.640
<v Ivan>you know, I'm using like with with Apple Mail, I'm using the I don't I don't

00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:26.640
<v Ivan>use the VIP part that much. But I do, you know, my primary bail box,

00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.340
<v Ivan>I have the with Apple Mail.

00:43:29.600 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Ivan>I have it set that I am getting my primary notifications there where it's filtered

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Ivan>out enough that I'm not I'm not like before where I would get like 50 emails in my primary inbox.

00:43:42.600 --> 00:43:45.600
<v Ivan>It's like like yesterday, for example, my primary inbox, I got one,

00:43:45.680 --> 00:43:48.600
<v Ivan>two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten messages.

00:43:48.940 --> 00:43:51.240
<v Ivan>OK, you scroll through those or whatever.

00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Sam>My stuff is still a mess. I tried the categorization that Apple Mail does now,

00:43:56.520 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Sam>and I hated it. So I went back to not having that.

00:44:00.240 --> 00:44:05.680
<v Ivan>I'm sorry, but once you get it sorted, it is really easy.

00:44:05.720 --> 00:44:09.200
<v Ivan>I got my transactions in one side. I got my primary receipt.

00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.460
<v Ivan>I got the people that send newsletters and updates on one side.

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:16.020
<v Sam>And I got promotions on another one. It didn't work for me, not because it wasn't

00:44:16.020 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Sam>doing what it was supposed to be. It didn't work with how my brain works.

00:44:19.020 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Ivan>Your brain. They work with your brain. But I still, even with that,

00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Ivan>I still occasionally will scroll through to junk just in case something is going there.

00:44:27.540 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Sam>Oh, I still have to check my junk on a regular basis because there are routinely

00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.120
<v Sam>non-junk things in there. But anyway, that's a whole different topic.

00:44:36.180 --> 00:44:39.720
<v Ivan>I have to say that at least it's... I have been...

00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.140
<v Ivan>I've got it set up right now that I'm not getting stuff.

00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Ivan>It's been a long time that something's gone to junk that shouldn't be there. Thank God.

00:44:50.580 --> 00:44:55.620
<v Sam>I would bet you that if I open my junk mail right now, I would find something

00:44:55.620 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Sam>within a few minutes if I looked.

00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.580
<v Sam>Of course, I'm doing that. Let's see. Did I find anything?

00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Sam>Not in the first screen of stuff.

00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:14.160
<v Sam>well there's an email from next door which technically speaking is not spam

00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:18.540
<v Sam>but honestly i don't really want it so you know what.

00:45:18.540 --> 00:45:21.720
<v Ivan>Do you mean it's not spam next door is i'm like i'm.

00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:27.200
<v Sam>Well i actually have the next door account and i apparently did not set my preference

00:45:27.200 --> 00:45:33.180
<v Sam>to not have that particular email so it's legit it's not you know it's not someone

00:45:33.180 --> 00:45:35.560
<v Sam>i have no relationship with But that's the only one.

00:45:35.700 --> 00:45:40.240
<v Sam>Oh, oh, oh, here's one from my son's school district.

00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:46.120
<v Sam>Okay. So that's real. So two in the first screen full, I, in the first screen

00:45:46.120 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Sam>of about 50 messages, I found two that weren't spam.

00:45:49.660 --> 00:45:55.140
<v Sam>So anyway, so that was my story. That was my exciting story.

00:45:55.560 --> 00:46:00.760
<v Sam>I made it, but I was, you know, when, when I was in the bathroom,

00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.420
<v Sam>Brandy heard loud swearing suddenly coming out of the bathroom.

00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:09.560
<v Sam>And of course she's thinking...

00:46:11.080 --> 00:46:16.460
<v Ivan>She's thinking that you're feeling bad from the peak or something or whatever. It's like, you know...

00:46:18.350 --> 00:46:19.070
<v Sam>Exactly.

00:46:21.410 --> 00:46:26.850
<v Sam>It's like, is he passing a stone? Is there an issue? Do we have to go to the hospital? No.

00:46:27.550 --> 00:46:33.030
<v Ivan>No. No, it's you saying, fuck, fuck, this stupid thing. Fuck.

00:46:34.870 --> 00:46:38.150
<v Ivan>Stupid fucking app, you stupid hot day idiots.

00:46:38.830 --> 00:46:45.670
<v Sam>Exactly. So, anyway. That took a while. Let's just, we'll forget the movies.

00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:50.710
<v Sam>Yeah, we'll skip the movies for this week. I will give the preview next week

00:46:50.710 --> 00:46:53.110
<v Sam>will be Lawrence of Arabia from 1962.

00:46:54.210 --> 00:47:02.890
<v Sam>That's number five on the 1998 AFI list and The Martian from 2015.

00:47:03.450 --> 00:47:06.410
<v Sam>So those will be the movies for next time.

00:47:06.550 --> 00:47:11.590
<v Sam>But in the meantime, we will take a break and we will come back and we will

00:47:11.590 --> 00:47:16.510
<v Sam>talk actual news of the day back after this.

00:47:59.500 --> 00:48:04.460
<v Sam>Okay, we are back. So on serious newsy stuff, where do you want to start, Yvonne?

00:48:06.980 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Sam>We sort of, you know, you said TSA wasn't an issue for you.

00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:16.240
<v Sam>It was for other folks. We had the ICE folks there. We had the LaGuardia plane

00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.780
<v Sam>versus fire truck thing. We have Iran, of course.

00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:25.240
<v Ivan>Well, let's talk about aviation. That way I can mix into TSA and the accident.

00:48:25.780 --> 00:48:27.400
<v Sam>Okay, then we'll go from there.

00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:37.160
<v Ivan>Well, hey, Sam, what did the president do on Friday related to paying the TSA employees?

00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:41.420
<v Sam>Oh, I was going to say he slept through some meetings like he usually does.

00:48:41.520 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Ivan>Well, he did that, too.

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:44.980
<v Sam>No, he signed an executive order.

00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:51.160
<v Ivan>Yeah, but Sam, what did we find out when he signed the executive order?

00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Ivan>Did you read through the fine print of this?

00:48:55.060 --> 00:48:56.680
<v Sam>Because. Yes.

00:48:57.640 --> 00:49:05.200
<v Ivan>Because the thing is that we found out that they had not run out of money to

00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:10.480
<v Ivan>pay the TSA employees, that they had chosen not to fucking pay the TSA employees.

00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.580
<v Sam>I was going to say, I've heard semi-conflicting things on this.

00:49:14.700 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Sam>One is that, in fact, they have not run out of money yet, and they could have

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Sam>been paying these people all along, and it was just an administration choice

00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.480
<v Sam>not to, specifically to sort of increase the pain or whatever.

00:49:24.720 --> 00:49:25.020
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:49:25.020 --> 00:49:30.640
<v Sam>But also, I've heard, nevertheless, Trump's executive order to pay them is probably

00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:35.640
<v Sam>illegal, because that's not the right mechanism to do this, etc.

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:42.200
<v Ivan>But the reality is that they had not run out of money to pay the guys.

00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:48.540
<v Sam>Every other part of the Department of Homeland Security was being paid, except TSA.

00:49:50.450 --> 00:49:56.230
<v Sam>And maybe a couple other stragglers. But, like, you know, the funding bill that

00:49:56.230 --> 00:49:57.470
<v Sam>was holding up was for all of you.

00:49:57.470 --> 00:50:01.870
<v Ivan>By the way, Global Entry was reopened, by the way, when I came back from Dominican Republic.

00:50:02.230 --> 00:50:06.290
<v Sam>But it was all of Department of Homeland Security that the bill is for.

00:50:07.230 --> 00:50:11.830
<v Sam>And various other parts were being paid properly.

00:50:12.430 --> 00:50:16.150
<v Sam>And, you know, there are all kinds of rules about in-government shutdowns,

00:50:16.150 --> 00:50:18.870
<v Sam>who gets paid, who doesn't get paid. There's a lot of discretion.

00:50:19.410 --> 00:50:24.610
<v Sam>There's a lot of determination of sort of what's critical, what's not, et cetera.

00:50:25.870 --> 00:50:31.670
<v Sam>So bottom line is it seems to be consensus that they could have paid these folks

00:50:31.670 --> 00:50:32.970
<v Sam>all along if they'd wanted to.

00:50:33.710 --> 00:50:35.070
<v Ivan>Right. But they chose not to.

00:50:35.430 --> 00:50:36.210
<v Sam>They chose not to.

00:50:37.290 --> 00:50:38.790
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just...

00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.700
<v Sam>And of course, the problem that was happening in many airports,

00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:45.240
<v Sam>but not all, as you said, in your

00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:48.380
<v Sam>airport, there was no significant delays whatsoever in the trips you had.

00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.640
<v Sam>In other airports, there were delays of multi hours to get through security lines.

00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:58.120
<v Ivan>But I don't know if you saw, I shared a chart that, listen, it's really- Basically.

00:50:58.160 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Sam>Houston was the only bad one, right?

00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:05.860
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, you didn't comment on this, but I actually said

00:51:05.860 --> 00:51:08.080
<v Ivan>specifically, was this on purpose?

00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:09.200
<v Sam>Right.

00:51:09.860 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Ivan>You know, given the name of the airport, that was why I said,

00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:16.420
<v Ivan>yes, George Bush Airport.

00:51:18.040 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Ivan>These fuckers did that on purpose. Sam, every other airport was at 22 minutes.

00:51:25.060 --> 00:51:28.020
<v Ivan>Houston was at three hours and 20 minutes.

00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:29.640
<v Sam>So the thing is about it.

00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:30.780
<v Ivan>This had to be intentional.

00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:37.220
<v Sam>The only thing about it being intentional that I would question is, from what I understand,

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Sam>the airports, the reason there were trouble was, I mean, is that TSA employees,

00:51:44.740 --> 00:51:47.820
<v Sam>despite not being paid, were theoretically supposed to show up.

00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:51.220
<v Sam>But of course, some were calling out sick because they're like,

00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:52.920
<v Sam>fuck this, I'm not working for free.

00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Sam>And so the places where there were delays were where more people were not showing up.

00:52:00.020 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:05.160
<v Sam>So, but that would be sort of under the control of the individual TSA employees,

00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:09.460
<v Sam>not like a choice from above, unless somebody was like, hey,

00:52:09.600 --> 00:52:11.560
<v Sam>you Houston folks, why don't you all hang back?

00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:12.980
<v Sam>I don't know.

00:52:13.180 --> 00:52:16.300
<v Ivan>That's what I'm saying. Because, I mean, it's crazy.

00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:21.860
<v Ivan>But understand, here's the problem of, well, unless you use sick pay.

00:52:22.100 --> 00:52:24.480
<v Ivan>Listen, if you don't show up to work, you're not going to get paid.

00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:27.600
<v Sam>Well, they were calling out sick specifically.

00:52:28.100 --> 00:52:28.460
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:29.160 --> 00:52:34.560
<v Sam>Okay. Which presumably for these agents, there is sick pay. I don't know. I guess.

00:52:35.160 --> 00:52:39.700
<v Sam>Normally after these shutdowns, Congress pays them retroactively.

00:52:39.720 --> 00:52:41.160
<v Ivan>They get paid retroactively, right.

00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:44.140
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, Congress has to explicitly do that.

00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:48.540
<v Ivan>But if you don't show up to work, you're not going to get paid.

00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Sam>Right. Unless it's a sick day and it's an approved sick day.

00:52:53.600 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Sam>So they were calling out sick. Now, do you actually believe everyone was sick

00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.180
<v Sam>at exactly the same time during the shutdown?

00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:03.260
<v Sam>I don't know. But, you know, what are you going to do?

00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Sam>I guess they could ask them all for doctor's notes.

00:53:06.640 --> 00:53:11.240
<v Ivan>I guess. But yeah, three hours and 20 minutes in Houston.

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Ivan>I mean, like, if you looked at

00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.700
<v Ivan>the chart, it was like three hours and 20 minutes of Houston, Phoenix 20.

00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.120
<v Ivan>I mean, Miami, like I said, look, Checkpoint 3, which I don't use Checkpoint 3.

00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.900
<v Ivan>I usually use, it's one nearby it, which has pre-checkpoint.

00:53:25.080 --> 00:53:27.740
<v Ivan>It was, that Checkpoint 3 had 15 minutes.

00:53:28.900 --> 00:53:33.380
<v Ivan>Actually, I just realized right now, no, we did go through Checkpoint 3,

00:53:33.600 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Ivan>because Manu doesn't have pre-check.

00:53:35.120 --> 00:53:38.180
<v Ivan>I keep forgetting about this. I'm going to have to sign him up for...

00:53:38.180 --> 00:53:42.160
<v Ivan>Now he's old enough, I've got to sign him up for global entry.

00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.180
<v Ivan>Otherwise, yeah, so I've got to do that.

00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.340
<v Ivan>And, yeah, we did go to Checkpoint 3. As a matter of fact, they actually...

00:53:52.340 --> 00:53:56.420
<v Ivan>Because they saw that we both had pre-check and he didn't, they actually let

00:53:56.420 --> 00:53:59.500
<v Ivan>us cut in front of everybody. That was actually faster.

00:54:00.340 --> 00:54:00.780
<v Sam>Okay?

00:54:02.100 --> 00:54:03.020
<v Ivan>So, but...

00:54:04.690 --> 00:54:11.890
<v Ivan>I, it's just, my whole thing is that they, they didn't have to not pay TSA employees,

00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:13.450
<v Ivan>but they chose to do so anyway.

00:54:13.690 --> 00:54:14.210
<v Sam>Yes.

00:54:14.810 --> 00:54:20.970
<v Ivan>Because it's just the standard bullshit, fucking bullshit that we deal with

00:54:20.970 --> 00:54:23.690
<v Ivan>every day with this fucking bullshit administration.

00:54:24.770 --> 00:54:29.730
<v Sam>Well, and despite the executive order, and theoretically they could be paid

00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:35.910
<v Sam>as early as Monday, but despite this executive order, the actual funding of

00:54:35.910 --> 00:54:38.770
<v Sam>Department of Homeland Security still has not resolved.

00:54:38.950 --> 00:54:40.730
<v Ivan>Well, is that right? Because even though the Senate.

00:54:40.850 --> 00:54:41.930
<v Sam>They didn't make a deal.

00:54:42.270 --> 00:54:42.510
<v Ivan>Right?

00:54:43.310 --> 00:54:48.690
<v Sam>They made a deal in the Senate, even though Donald Trump was yelling at them to not make a deal.

00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:50.670
<v Sam>Right. But the Senate made a deal.

00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:55.210
<v Sam>They passed something through unanimous consent a couple of days ago.

00:54:55.450 --> 00:54:59.670
<v Sam>And then the house was like, no, fuck that. I'm not doing that because apparently

00:54:59.670 --> 00:55:02.730
<v Sam>they pay more attention to Donald than, than the Senate does.

00:55:03.370 --> 00:55:08.410
<v Sam>And they passed their own thing, which does not match at all,

00:55:08.490 --> 00:55:11.850
<v Sam>in which the Senate says is a non-starter in the Senate.

00:55:12.250 --> 00:55:16.890
<v Sam>And I think the difference is the Senate actually did make some nods towards

00:55:16.890 --> 00:55:24.450
<v Sam>adjusting ICE and funding for ICE and rules for ICE and things like that.

00:55:24.530 --> 00:55:28.710
<v Sam>And the House is not willing to do that at all. And so— Well, the House.

00:55:28.830 --> 00:55:30.570
<v Ivan>Well, the House.

00:55:30.930 --> 00:55:33.970
<v Sam>Well, Speaker Johnson. it and leadership thank you

00:55:33.970 --> 00:55:37.150
<v Sam>yeah because this is a yet another thing where

00:55:37.150 --> 00:55:40.810
<v Sam>you know you might end up with a discharge position petition

00:55:40.810 --> 00:55:44.130
<v Sam>to override but that takes a long time you

00:55:44.130 --> 00:55:46.910
<v Sam>know that's not going to happen anytime soon that you know right

00:55:46.910 --> 00:55:55.670
<v Sam>and so we'll see we'll see but if now that we're paying tsa it's not going to

00:55:55.670 --> 00:56:00.030
<v Sam>be painful anymore so there's no incentive to resolve it sooner rather later

00:56:00.030 --> 00:56:06.210
<v Sam>so it'll it'll just hang out there for a long time probably yeah yeah now.

00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:09.510
<v Ivan>There's really no incentive to make a deal quickly anytime

00:56:09.510 --> 00:56:16.470
<v Ivan>soon well if they make the deal they still haven't yet so i i well i don't know

00:56:16.470 --> 00:56:20.250
<v Ivan>but the whole thing is that this is just my whole point about this is it's a

00:56:20.250 --> 00:56:24.170
<v Ivan>it's it's the standard substandard bullshit of these guys and it's always it's

00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:27.530
<v Ivan>always a show It's always bullshit. It's all bullshit.

00:56:28.250 --> 00:56:34.210
<v Ivan>Nothing is what it seems. They're never making anything in terms of trying to

00:56:34.210 --> 00:56:35.630
<v Ivan>solve a problem, legislation, whatever.

00:56:35.810 --> 00:56:38.350
<v Ivan>They create problems. They fake create problems.

00:56:38.930 --> 00:56:44.370
<v Ivan>Everything is a straw man, and this is another one of them.

00:56:45.150 --> 00:56:52.810
<v Ivan>Right. I don't know. Well, going back to the issue at sticking with aviation,

00:56:53.070 --> 00:56:54.750
<v Ivan>that crash at LaGuardia.

00:56:55.370 --> 00:56:55.530
<v Sam>Right.

00:56:56.090 --> 00:57:02.910
<v Ivan>I shared some detailed information on this on the Slack. The thing is that at night at LaGuardia,

00:57:03.130 --> 00:57:11.890
<v Ivan>they lower the number of people at control tower well below what is in the daytime,

00:57:12.110 --> 00:57:14.550
<v Ivan>even though in many cases traffic is not lighter.

00:57:15.950 --> 00:57:19.270
<v Ivan>OK, and one of the things that they do is that they've got two runways that

00:57:19.270 --> 00:57:22.910
<v Ivan>they combine their responsibilities for ground.

00:57:23.290 --> 00:57:28.770
<v Ivan>And OK, so you've got a ground controller that is the one that supervises movements

00:57:28.770 --> 00:57:30.970
<v Ivan>on the ground of vehicles and aircraft.

00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:34.750
<v Ivan>OK, authorizes when an aircraft is supposed to cross a runway or not, et cetera, whatever.

00:57:35.490 --> 00:57:42.410
<v Ivan>And then you've got the tower controller, which is the one that controls takeoffs and landings.

00:57:42.410 --> 00:57:48.270
<v Ivan>Anybody that is close to the airport, when you are about close,

00:57:48.510 --> 00:57:52.970
<v Ivan>you know, because there's a departure controller and there's an arrivals controller

00:57:52.970 --> 00:57:55.470
<v Ivan>that controls the airspace around the airport.

00:57:55.710 --> 00:57:59.510
<v Ivan>Once you get very close to the airport, you switch to the tower,

00:57:59.690 --> 00:58:02.830
<v Ivan>which is the one that gives you instructions for final land. Okay.

00:58:03.450 --> 00:58:08.710
<v Ivan>So that's the tower controller. So they combine tower and ground at night.

00:58:08.710 --> 00:58:15.710
<v Ivan>But look, at an airport like DeGuardia, that's too much work for one guy. It's just too much.

00:58:16.770 --> 00:58:19.150
<v Ivan>But even still, here's the reality.

00:58:20.910 --> 00:58:27.690
<v Ivan>The tower, you know, that controller that was doing both, did clear the fire

00:58:27.690 --> 00:58:33.710
<v Ivan>trucks that were involved in the incident to go across that active running.

00:58:33.850 --> 00:58:36.130
<v Sam>Explain the scenario that was happening.

00:58:36.130 --> 00:58:41.350
<v Ivan>Okay. So here's what happened. A United aircraft on the other side of the airport,

00:58:41.530 --> 00:58:46.270
<v Ivan>okay, on the east side of the airport, had reported that they had fumes,

00:58:46.270 --> 00:58:50.070
<v Ivan>that there was an issue, and they needed emergency equipment right away.

00:58:50.070 --> 00:58:54.990
<v Ivan>So for those fire vehicles to get there, they had to cross the active runway

00:58:54.990 --> 00:58:57.370
<v Ivan>that was being used for takeoffs and landings, okay?

00:58:57.550 --> 00:59:03.610
<v Ivan>So the vehicles called the ground controller to get clearance to go across.

00:59:04.630 --> 00:59:09.970
<v Ivan>The controller cleared them to cross, but also he had cleared this Air Canada

00:59:09.970 --> 00:59:12.870
<v Ivan>airplane to land at the same time. Okay.

00:59:14.530 --> 00:59:18.270
<v Ivan>All of a sudden, after the controller did clear the ground and he's looking

00:59:18.270 --> 00:59:23.090
<v Ivan>and they have radar that shows the vehicles on the ground, not just the aircraft,

00:59:23.270 --> 00:59:26.470
<v Ivan>but that shows what vehicles are on the ground. Okay.

00:59:27.410 --> 00:59:31.330
<v Ivan>The tower controller realizes that those vehicles have been cleared across,

00:59:31.350 --> 00:59:32.730
<v Ivan>but there was an airplane landing.

00:59:32.970 --> 00:59:39.050
<v Ivan>He calls out twice for, and he called out vehicle one, stop,

00:59:39.170 --> 00:59:41.490
<v Ivan>stop, stop, stop. He tried to get them to stop.

00:59:42.370 --> 00:59:44.510
<v Ivan>Here's another thing that should have been at play.

00:59:45.750 --> 00:59:53.550
<v Ivan>That airport has this lighting system that will, if you are an airplane or a

00:59:53.550 --> 00:59:56.570
<v Ivan>vehicle approaching to cross an active runway,

00:59:57.390 --> 01:00:00.150
<v Ivan>red lights will flash to tell you

01:00:00.150 --> 01:00:03.850
<v Ivan>hey forget about don't cross

01:00:03.850 --> 01:00:07.030
<v Ivan>don't fucking cross now people

01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:09.990
<v Ivan>need to verify they're working correctly i mean

01:00:09.990 --> 01:00:12.690
<v Ivan>it's a system that's been installed in place at many airports for

01:00:12.690 --> 01:00:15.670
<v Ivan>a long time i see them all the time when i'm plane spotting work

01:00:15.670 --> 01:00:18.470
<v Ivan>you will see them like light up right there they will be lighting up right

01:00:18.470 --> 01:00:21.270
<v Ivan>right right until all the sun you get cleared they go and they

01:00:21.270 --> 01:00:24.210
<v Ivan>go white so you can you so you can go onto the onto the

01:00:24.210 --> 01:00:27.270
<v Ivan>active runway uh but that that that

01:00:27.270 --> 01:00:30.010
<v Ivan>fire truck should have seen that but here's the thing about it

01:00:30.010 --> 01:00:35.250
<v Ivan>the lead truck didn't stop but when the stop got called out ground radar showed

01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:41.110
<v Ivan>that all the vehicles following him did it was only that one that didn't stop

01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:45.770
<v Ivan>right so i'm not understanding what the hell happened in the communication inside

01:00:45.770 --> 01:00:48.850
<v Ivan>the lead vehicle that there were about,

01:00:49.350 --> 01:00:54.590
<v Ivan>eight or ten trucks that were heading over there, all of the other trucks heard

01:00:54.590 --> 01:00:56.770
<v Ivan>the stop but not the lead vehicle.

01:00:57.570 --> 01:00:58.050
<v Sam>Right.

01:00:58.230 --> 01:01:03.710
<v Ivan>When the Air Canada plane landed and that vehicle crossed, there was nothing they could do.

01:01:03.830 --> 01:01:09.390
<v Ivan>There was nothing they could do. They had, they were going way too fast.

01:01:09.570 --> 01:01:13.510
<v Ivan>It was too close to the point where they landed. They were doing over a hundred knots.

01:01:14.150 --> 01:01:16.090
<v Ivan>They're fucked. There's nothing they could do.

01:01:17.490 --> 01:01:22.350
<v Ivan>So now the investigation has to go is to understand why the heck that lead vehicle,

01:01:22.450 --> 01:01:24.590
<v Ivan>despite the fact that it got told to stop twice,

01:01:24.970 --> 01:01:29.070
<v Ivan>despite the fact that it had flashing red lights, why the heck all the other

01:01:29.070 --> 01:01:34.250
<v Ivan>vehicles understood the command to stop and he didn't.

01:01:34.410 --> 01:01:37.370
<v Ivan>The controller did make a mistake to clear them.

01:01:37.530 --> 01:01:43.830
<v Ivan>However, the controller did call back to correct it to stop within enough time

01:01:43.830 --> 01:01:46.770
<v Ivan>that they should have stopped. Yes, absolutely.

01:01:48.430 --> 01:01:53.950
<v Sam>And to be clear, we should learn more about this. The people in the firetruck survived.

01:01:54.670 --> 01:01:55.070
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:01:55.590 --> 01:02:00.230
<v Sam>You know, they had to be hospitalized. I don't know their current condition, but they survived.

01:02:00.610 --> 01:02:02.690
<v Ivan>Now, the question is, of course, if they're going to fess up.

01:02:02.690 --> 01:02:05.850
<v Ivan>I make sure that they're going to fess up. Why the hell they fucked up?

01:02:06.050 --> 01:02:11.210
<v Sam>Oh, well, I'm sure they are already lawyered up. If not, they should be.

01:02:11.810 --> 01:02:15.430
<v Ivan>They should be. Yeah, that's my concern right now. Now, I mean,

01:02:15.490 --> 01:02:19.230
<v Ivan>was it an equipment failure or did they fuck up?

01:02:20.170 --> 01:02:22.790
<v Ivan>That's good because it could have been an equipment failure as well.

01:02:24.310 --> 01:02:29.090
<v Ivan>Like radio equipment something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just weren't working

01:02:29.090 --> 01:02:31.930
<v Ivan>right something. Yeah. So that's a possibility.

01:02:33.390 --> 01:02:38.890
<v Ivan>Hey, the ground, I mean, those systems work very well.

01:02:39.490 --> 01:02:45.030
<v Ivan>Did the ground light system with the flashing red lights, did it not activate for some reason?

01:02:45.350 --> 01:02:48.250
<v Ivan>And that's something that needs to be determined as well. It needs to be tested.

01:02:48.970 --> 01:02:52.990
<v Ivan>Because that's the reason why that's been put around almost every airport around the U.S.

01:02:53.350 --> 01:02:57.690
<v Ivan>And that's something that has reduced those kinds of runway incursions a lot.

01:02:58.470 --> 01:03:02.690
<v Ivan>And it's a system that people depend on. So we got to check to see if that system was working properly.

01:03:03.560 --> 01:03:07.560
<v Ivan>But yeah, it's very unfortunate, man, because, you know, the controller made

01:03:07.560 --> 01:03:09.880
<v Ivan>a mistake, but the controller caught his mistake.

01:03:10.040 --> 01:03:13.540
<v Ivan>But the reality is that the reason the controller made the mistake is because

01:03:13.540 --> 01:03:18.120
<v Ivan>there was no reason he should be doing that job by himself with that much traffic in the air.

01:03:18.600 --> 01:03:19.060
<v Sam>Right.

01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.160
<v Ivan>But this was not the controller's fault.

01:03:22.600 --> 01:03:28.080
<v Sam>Yeah. The other thing here, though, is it actually seems remarkable that we

01:03:28.080 --> 01:03:31.480
<v Sam>only had the pilot and co-pilot die.

01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:32.520
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah.

01:03:32.520 --> 01:03:35.580
<v Sam>You know, given the nature of the accident.

01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:38.260
<v Ivan>A lot of people did get hurt on the plane.

01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:39.060
<v Sam>Yes. Yes.

01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:39.680
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:03:40.380 --> 01:03:43.940
<v Sam>A lot of concussions. A lot of people like slamming their heads into the seat

01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:47.140
<v Sam>in front of them. Things like that. But only two dead.

01:03:47.660 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Sam>And I gather the, and some people weren't injured at all.

01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Ivan>The emergency vehicles, thankfully, were right there. There was an entire gaggle of them.

01:03:58.760 --> 01:03:59.240
<v Sam>Yes.

01:03:59.240 --> 01:04:02.080
<v Ivan>It didn't take too long to get rescue on it.

01:04:03.240 --> 01:04:08.620
<v Sam>Yeah. I guess it probably delayed the attention to that other plane that had the smell or whatever.

01:04:08.860 --> 01:04:14.400
<v Ivan>Yes. The other plane, it was a fume incident. You know, I don't know how they

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.200
<v Ivan>dealt with, you know, they dealt with that. They were, yeah.

01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:21.540
<v Ivan>So, they had been originally, the other plane had been trying to avoid evacuating

01:04:21.540 --> 01:04:23.900
<v Ivan>the airplanes and they were trying to get the fire trucks over there for them

01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:28.960
<v Ivan>to, I'm assuming they finally, they probably evacuated that plane because of the fumes.

01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.660
<v Sam>So i mean in this case like you said there were

01:04:31.660 --> 01:04:34.460
<v Sam>a bunch of people injured enough to go to the hospital there are a bunch of people who

01:04:34.460 --> 01:04:38.700
<v Sam>walked off the damn plane without anything um the

01:04:38.700 --> 01:04:41.860
<v Sam>the pilot and co-pilot died there was one stewardess who

01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:47.000
<v Sam>was ejected from the plane found 300 feet away and needed medical attention

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:56.420
<v Sam>but will be fine in the end um you know so i i heard you know some some conflicting

01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:59.300
<v Sam>reports on like, you know, we're,

01:05:00.160 --> 01:05:06.160
<v Sam>Did the pilots do things that helped, even though, like, they ended up dying?

01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:11.940
<v Sam>Like, you know, like, for instance, if they had tried to swerve to avoid the

01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:15.360
<v Sam>truck, it probably would have made things worse, not better.

01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:21.720
<v Sam>Because, like, given the speed they were going, given the amount of time they had.

01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Ivan>If they turned— It would have flipped the plane over.

01:05:23.520 --> 01:05:28.100
<v Sam>It would have flipped the plane over or hit on the wings that still had fuel

01:05:28.100 --> 01:05:29.380
<v Sam>in them and caused a fire.

01:05:30.080 --> 01:05:30.160
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.320
<v Sam>You know, and I've heard a little bit of conflict of whether they were able

01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Sam>to slow down more than they would have on a normal landing so that to just be

01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:46.220
<v Sam>a little bit slower when they hit the truck, I don't know.

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Sam>Maybe that helped a little bit, maybe not. But it clearly could have been a lot worse.

01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:58.540
<v Ivan>Oh, it could have been. It could have been a lot worse, But I really feel bad

01:05:58.540 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Ivan>for those pilots. They really just...

01:06:01.710 --> 01:06:06.090
<v Ivan>And there's nothing they could do. They were just at the worst possible moment,

01:06:06.090 --> 01:06:07.290
<v Ivan>something like that to happen.

01:06:07.310 --> 01:06:13.830
<v Ivan>It's one of those where, you know, I still remember, it reminds me of this car

01:06:13.830 --> 01:06:16.230
<v Ivan>accident that we had where we were driving down.

01:06:16.730 --> 01:06:22.170
<v Ivan>I was a passenger where this guy just ran a stop sign right at the moment that we're coming through.

01:06:22.170 --> 01:06:26.550
<v Ivan>true and it's just this helpless feeling you can't there it doesn't matter how

01:06:26.550 --> 01:06:31.730
<v Ivan>good you're there's nothing to do nothing to do all i did was close my eyes

01:06:31.730 --> 01:06:33.850
<v Ivan>put my hands over my head i said oh shit.

01:06:33.850 --> 01:06:34.870
<v Sam>Because there.

01:06:34.870 --> 01:06:35.910
<v Ivan>Was nothing else to do.

01:06:35.910 --> 01:06:38.870
<v Sam>Yeah and there are

01:06:38.870 --> 01:06:42.190
<v Sam>a lot of scenarios that end up being like that i

01:06:42.190 --> 01:06:45.190
<v Sam>mean you know you you talk about first of

01:06:45.190 --> 01:06:48.370
<v Sam>all if you're the driver driving carefully driving defensively all

01:06:48.370 --> 01:06:51.910
<v Sam>that kind of stuff but there's some scenarios where there's

01:06:51.910 --> 01:06:54.670
<v Sam>just absolutely nothing nothing you can do

01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:57.470
<v Sam>there i mean i remember you remember a

01:06:57.470 --> 01:07:00.490
<v Sam>few years ago where sort of across the

01:07:00.490 --> 01:07:06.170
<v Sam>street from where i was working in seattle a crane fell on the damn road right

01:07:06.170 --> 01:07:11.550
<v Sam>you know and you know there was dash cam video right you know there was somebody

01:07:11.550 --> 01:07:19.390
<v Sam>that was at a stoplight right red light waiting for it to turn green and a crane fell on the car right,

01:07:20.790 --> 01:07:22.030
<v Sam>nothing defensive.

01:07:22.030 --> 01:07:27.550
<v Ivan>Driving technique are you using in order to avoid the crane falling on your car.

01:07:27.550 --> 01:07:35.930
<v Sam>Right you know but yeah and and of course this is same thing for pilots in this

01:07:35.930 --> 01:07:40.330
<v Sam>kind of situation obviously it's just like the the thing that happened happened

01:07:40.330 --> 01:07:44.430
<v Sam>too late and at a time where there was nothing to do nothing to.

01:07:44.430 --> 01:07:46.070
<v Ivan>Do nothing to do nothing to do unfortunately.

01:07:49.070 --> 01:07:52.750
<v Sam>Okay anything else aviation wise before we move on to another topic,

01:07:54.640 --> 01:07:58.080
<v Sam>Okay. Ah, let's see. What do we do then? What do we do then?

01:07:58.160 --> 01:08:00.060
<v Sam>What do we do then? I guess I ran.

01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:05.140
<v Ivan>I fucking ran. How's it going, Sam? Are we winning?

01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:09.900
<v Sam>Oh, yes, clearly. Well, I mean, I keep hearing Donald Trump's...

01:08:09.900 --> 01:08:13.340
<v Ivan>Hey, did you notice that the Iranians hacked Kash Patel's private email?

01:08:14.100 --> 01:08:23.020
<v Ivan>Talk about the great... We have the dumbest fucking heads of anything ever.

01:08:23.020 --> 01:08:24.360
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

01:08:27.410 --> 01:08:32.410
<v Sam>I would say at least it wasn't his work email, but reality of these guys is

01:08:32.410 --> 01:08:33.710
<v Sam>they don't use their work email.

01:08:34.110 --> 01:08:37.870
<v Sam>They're using their personal email for government duties. They're using Signal.

01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:43.690
<v Sam>Right. You know, from previous history, it's remarkable that they're not,

01:08:43.690 --> 01:08:46.170
<v Sam>like, signaling journalists about what they're doing anyway.

01:08:46.910 --> 01:08:47.110
<v Ivan>Right.

01:08:47.230 --> 01:08:54.430
<v Sam>You know? So, no. If you remember just in the early days of this war,

01:08:54.770 --> 01:09:03.510
<v Sam>there were pictures released of Trump and his advisors at Mar-a-Lago managing

01:09:03.510 --> 01:09:09.910
<v Sam>the start of the war with a black curtain separating them from the diners that

01:09:09.910 --> 01:09:11.990
<v Sam>are just at Mar-a-Lago as customers.

01:09:12.370 --> 01:09:17.010
<v Ivan>Why are they so stupid? I mean, okay, fine.

01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:23.610
<v Ivan>Take your stupid positions. That's fine. You know, but why are they just so

01:09:23.610 --> 01:09:25.410
<v Ivan>stupid about even this shit?

01:09:26.150 --> 01:09:33.010
<v Ivan>What is it? I don't get it. I mean, even Putin, with all his despicable positions,

01:09:33.850 --> 01:09:37.650
<v Ivan>manages operational security of his shit a lot better than this.

01:09:38.090 --> 01:09:42.630
<v Ivan>I mean, okay, so these guys are assholes. I mean, the problem is that they're,

01:09:42.830 --> 01:09:52.270
<v Ivan>okay, Putin is an asshole, an evil one, but not stupid. these guys are evil stupid assholes.

01:09:52.270 --> 01:09:54.890
<v Sam>Right fuck,

01:09:58.470 --> 01:10:04.550
<v Sam>they are and but i keep hearing donald trump say over and over and over that

01:10:04.550 --> 01:10:09.570
<v Sam>we come you know we've completely destroyed and obliterated and blah blah blah

01:10:09.570 --> 01:10:12.950
<v Sam>and but we're still gonna go for a couple weeks but then we'll be done okay.

01:10:12.950 --> 01:10:19.510
<v Ivan>Okay okay yeah the the economist gave the perfect quote about this where they

01:10:19.510 --> 01:10:22.610
<v Ivan>said that what was it they said that,

01:10:24.930 --> 01:10:30.550
<v Ivan>Yes, Donald, you said that you obliterated, you know, all their capability,

01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:35.830
<v Ivan>100% of their military capability, but it's amazing how much damage to the world

01:10:35.830 --> 01:10:39.290
<v Ivan>economy that 0% of their capability is doing.

01:10:40.470 --> 01:10:40.550
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:10:41.540 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Sam>I've heard. Yes.

01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:45.680
<v Ivan>So stupid.

01:10:46.100 --> 01:10:51.800
<v Sam>The latest I've heard, by the way, is that in addition to the oil that is not

01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:56.480
<v Sam>going through the Gulf of, the Gulf of Hormuz, the Strait of Hormuz.

01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:57.500
<v Ivan>Gulf of Hormuz?

01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.520
<v Sam>Yeah, the Gulf of Hormuz. Well, I also, I'm trying to be careful because it's really- I have.

01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:09.300
<v Ivan>All these fucking names. I have the Strait of Hormuz. Now we're calling it the Gulf of Hormuz.

01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:11.340
<v Sam>Well, also the thing that.

01:11:11.540 --> 01:11:14.460
<v Ivan>That should be the name of the episode. The Gulf of Hormuz. Yes.

01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:19.020
<v Sam>The mistake that I've made myself that I've heard others make as well,

01:11:19.120 --> 01:11:22.760
<v Sam>including Donald Trump, by the way, is to make it plural straights.

01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Sam>It is not the straights of Hormuz. It is a single straight of Hormuz. Okay?

01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:32.440
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ.

01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:35.560
<v Sam>You know, it is one, not multiple.

01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.220
<v Ivan>Not multiple. Not multiple.

01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:43.640
<v Sam>Right. So anyway, in addition to the oil that's not getting through,

01:11:44.120 --> 01:11:52.020
<v Sam>there are apparently some necessary raw materials for making fertilizer that

01:11:52.020 --> 01:11:53.400
<v Sam>are also not going through.

01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Ivan>Yeah, that is correct.

01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:59.780
<v Sam>And there is, there are apparently, it's starting to cascade because there are

01:11:59.780 --> 01:12:04.940
<v Sam>fertilizer manufacturing plants in Bangladesh and elsewhere that are shutting

01:12:04.940 --> 01:12:06.280
<v Sam>down because they don't have-

01:12:06.280 --> 01:12:09.500
<v Ivan>Fertilizer prices have been going through the roof. Yes, that's correct. Yeah.

01:12:10.300 --> 01:12:10.980
<v Sam>And this is...

01:12:10.980 --> 01:12:14.080
<v Ivan>It's part of the winning, Sam. It's part of the fucking winning.

01:12:14.540 --> 01:12:17.940
<v Sam>Well, this is one of those things that also cascades because,

01:12:17.940 --> 01:12:23.380
<v Sam>you know, first the fertilizer prices go up, then fertilizer becomes harder

01:12:23.380 --> 01:12:27.220
<v Sam>to get because the price is going up and just supply,

01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:33.200
<v Sam>which then affects agriculture, which then affects food prices,

01:12:33.580 --> 01:12:35.800
<v Sam>which then affects food availability.

01:12:36.280 --> 01:12:43.660
<v Ivan>You don't understand the 6D chess that we're playing, Sam. This is the thing.

01:12:44.280 --> 01:12:52.440
<v Ivan>We're winning, Sam. We are winning. We have eliminated 100% of their military capability, Sam.

01:12:53.580 --> 01:12:57.660
<v Ivan>100%. Now we need to get rid of the other 100%, I guess.

01:12:57.700 --> 01:13:05.740
<v Sam>From what I understand, though, Iran is making deals on a one-off basis at a

01:13:05.740 --> 01:13:09.320
<v Sam>time with different countries, different freighters, whatever,

01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.560
<v Sam>to let specific things through.

01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:15.880
<v Ivan>Listen, that is complete bullshit anyway. It doesn't matter.

01:13:16.120 --> 01:13:19.340
<v Ivan>This whole thing about cutting one-off deals.

01:13:20.260 --> 01:13:27.920
<v Ivan>Nobody is going to go and sail a ship through a fucking shooting war.

01:13:29.820 --> 01:13:34.860
<v Ivan>OK. Most companies, most, most ships are not.

01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:36.300
<v Sam>There have been a few going through.

01:13:36.700 --> 01:13:38.160
<v Ivan>Very tiny amounts.

01:13:38.540 --> 01:13:39.220
<v Sam>Very tiny amounts.

01:13:39.240 --> 01:13:40.240
<v Ivan>Very tiny amounts.

01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.920
<v Sam>But the point is, some of those are because of these one-off deals,

01:13:44.120 --> 01:13:46.780
<v Sam>which are gaining, you know, Iran's making money off it.

01:13:46.860 --> 01:13:49.100
<v Ivan>But Sam, it doesn't matter.

01:13:49.480 --> 01:13:50.800
<v Sam>Oh, no, it won't affect the globe.

01:13:50.860 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Ivan>It's not enough.

01:13:51.100 --> 01:13:55.140
<v Sam>It's not enough to affect. No, here's the thing. It's not enough to affect the

01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.240
<v Sam>global economic situation. It

01:13:57.240 --> 01:14:02.580
<v Sam>is enough for Iran to claim some specific victories and to gain some cash.

01:14:02.580 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. But we have eased sanctions on Iran.

01:14:09.240 --> 01:14:14.280
<v Ivan>Cash, Iran's oil. We fucking eased sanctions on the fucking Iranian oil anyway.

01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.980
<v Ivan>So what the hell? We gave the fucking money.

01:14:17.540 --> 01:14:18.140
<v Sam>Yes.

01:14:18.280 --> 01:14:19.320
<v Ivan>And the Russian oil.

01:14:19.500 --> 01:14:22.540
<v Sam>And the Russian oil. Yeah, this is the point.

01:14:22.540 --> 01:14:29.460
<v Sam>Like, if you start, and this harkens back to the conversation we had a couple weeks ago on this,

01:14:29.620 --> 01:14:35.540
<v Sam>where the way that the Trump administration is calling this a success is,

01:14:35.540 --> 01:14:37.960
<v Sam>look at all the shit we blew up.

01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.480
<v Sam>Look at all the people we killed.

01:14:40.860 --> 01:14:47.200
<v Ivan>Listen, apparently Donald Trump is getting a daily, like, clip.

01:14:47.480 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Ivan>It's like a video clip. It's like a YouTube.

01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:54.700
<v Ivan>Yeah, a two-minute clip. of like just shit being blown up.

01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:55.460
<v Sam>Right.

01:14:56.930 --> 01:15:00.750
<v Ivan>You know, and he obviously, it's

01:15:00.750 --> 01:15:05.450
<v Ivan>one of those montages that I'm sure looks cool in the abstract, right?

01:15:05.750 --> 01:15:10.390
<v Ivan>And for a dumbass like him, makes him feel like he's totally winning.

01:15:10.970 --> 01:15:17.650
<v Sam>Yes, and this is the thing. If you are grading solely on shit blown up and people

01:15:17.650 --> 01:15:20.850
<v Sam>killed, you can rattle off the list of the things you've blown up.

01:15:20.910 --> 01:15:24.890
<v Sam>We've apparently dropped a shit ton of weaponry on it between us and Israel.

01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:31.710
<v Sam>we have blown up lots of things we have killed lots of people now 200 of them

01:15:31.710 --> 01:15:39.790
<v Sam>were innocent school girls but whatever we killed a bunch of people but whatever whatever well.

01:15:39.790 --> 01:15:43.550
<v Ivan>Listen you're channeling what they would say 200 innocent.

01:15:43.550 --> 01:15:47.750
<v Sam>School girls they weren't that innocent they weren't that.

01:15:47.750 --> 01:15:49.510
<v Ivan>Innocent they're iranians.

01:15:49.510 --> 01:15:52.790
<v Sam>You know anyway however Well.

01:15:53.370 --> 01:15:57.770
<v Ivan>I'm sorry. Is that what they—I'm sure that that's what they were saying.

01:15:58.150 --> 01:16:03.230
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm sure. Now, however, if you start looking at potential strategic goals

01:16:03.230 --> 01:16:05.370
<v Sam>here— Okay, regime change.

01:16:05.990 --> 01:16:10.070
<v Sam>We have succeeded in getting someone more hard-line than where we started.

01:16:12.270 --> 01:16:15.070
<v Sam>Win, right? Yeah, clearly a win.

01:16:15.230 --> 01:16:19.150
<v Ivan>Not just that, but listen, we have emboldened Iran.

01:16:19.910 --> 01:16:21.490
<v Sam>We have emboldened them.

01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:28.390
<v Ivan>Why would they make a deal right now? For deal what? For what?

01:16:29.250 --> 01:16:35.610
<v Sam>Yes. And look, all sorts of, if you look at,

01:16:35.810 --> 01:16:40.870
<v Sam>there's probably a half dozen different strategic goals that you could potentially

01:16:40.870 --> 01:16:46.690
<v Sam>say were a goal of this endeavor or excursion, excursion, as Donald Trump says.

01:16:47.850 --> 01:16:51.130
<v Sam>Oh, that's an excursion. yes every single one

01:16:51.130 --> 01:16:54.810
<v Sam>of these

01:16:54.810 --> 01:17:00.950
<v Sam>strategic measures as opposed to how much shit did we blow up is going the wrong

01:17:00.950 --> 01:17:09.110
<v Sam>direction so like this is not this is completely backfired in terms of any of

01:17:09.110 --> 01:17:13.110
<v Sam>these other things you know and and look,

01:17:14.690 --> 01:17:21.790
<v Sam>Donald Trump is saying now that he has delayed the next phase of like blowing

01:17:21.790 --> 01:17:26.350
<v Sam>up power plants and stuff multiple times now because we are in healthy,

01:17:26.590 --> 01:17:31.930
<v Sam>fruitful negotiations with the Iranians on a way out. Okay.

01:17:32.090 --> 01:17:33.610
<v Ivan>So do you believe this?

01:17:34.170 --> 01:17:36.810
<v Sam>Here is. I am trying.

01:17:37.390 --> 01:17:43.930
<v Ivan>Do you believe this? No, no, no. Yes or no question. Do you believe that statement?

01:17:44.690 --> 01:17:52.430
<v Sam>I believe something is happening, but not what Donald—let me explain what I think, okay?

01:17:52.530 --> 01:17:59.750
<v Sam>Because I have been trying to parse Donald Trump's completely addled statements

01:17:59.750 --> 01:18:02.170
<v Sam>that clearly are not well tied

01:18:02.170 --> 01:18:06.830
<v Sam>to reality to try to figure out what might actually be going on, okay?

01:18:07.470 --> 01:18:11.990
<v Sam>Because he has said we are in fruitful negotiations. And when asked who we are

01:18:11.990 --> 01:18:15.910
<v Sam>in negotiations with, has been like, no, we're not talking to the Ayatollah.

01:18:16.030 --> 01:18:18.490
<v Sam>No, we're not talking to this group. No, we're not talking to that group.

01:18:18.850 --> 01:18:26.530
<v Sam>What I think is happening is they are talking to some random Iranian that they

01:18:26.530 --> 01:18:33.670
<v Sam>hope might be able to take over once they kill a few more of the current leadership.

01:18:33.670 --> 01:18:39.050
<v Ivan>This sounds like the Ahmed Shalabi of Iran.

01:18:39.570 --> 01:18:47.750
<v Sam>Who was an exiled Iraqi, for those who don't remember, who hoped to become president

01:18:47.750 --> 01:18:51.410
<v Sam>of Iraq after the U.S. killed Saddam.

01:18:51.750 --> 01:18:53.430
<v Ivan>They had a lot of work out, Sam.

01:18:53.610 --> 01:18:58.250
<v Sam>That did not work out at all. But I think that's what's happening here.

01:18:58.250 --> 01:19:03.110
<v Sam>I think when they are saying they're talking to Iranians and negotiating with Iranians,

01:19:03.250 --> 01:19:09.510
<v Sam>they are talking to some random Iranian who's not actually in a position of power,

01:19:09.530 --> 01:19:16.550
<v Sam>but they hope could be the head of a puppet government after they kill a few

01:19:16.550 --> 01:19:18.750
<v Sam>more people. That's what I think is happening.

01:19:20.250 --> 01:19:20.530
<v Ivan>Great.

01:19:20.990 --> 01:19:22.070
<v Sam>Sounds great.

01:19:22.690 --> 01:19:26.030
<v Ivan>Awesome. It's like, you know, I mean,

01:19:26.410 --> 01:19:31.850
<v Ivan>listen, this, this, there was this guy who during the financial crisis,

01:19:32.190 --> 01:19:36.970
<v Ivan>right as the 2008 financial crisis, right as Bernie Madoff went down,

01:19:37.150 --> 01:19:40.750
<v Ivan>there was another guy that went down with a similar Ponzi scheme,

01:19:41.010 --> 01:19:44.750
<v Ivan>but that does not get as much coverage for it.

01:19:44.750 --> 01:19:47.970
<v Ivan>It was, if I remember his name is Fred Dreyer, right?

01:19:48.450 --> 01:19:50.030
<v Sam>Okay, I don't remember this.

01:19:50.170 --> 01:19:54.430
<v Ivan>Mark Dreyer. Yes, Mark Dreyer. Okay, well, let me tell you the thing that he

01:19:54.430 --> 01:19:59.990
<v Ivan>was, one of the things that he was trying to do to further his scheme near the

01:19:59.990 --> 01:20:02.270
<v Ivan>end, that is the one thing that almost brought him down.

01:20:02.530 --> 01:20:06.510
<v Ivan>He was trying to sell these notes, okay?

01:20:06.690 --> 01:20:10.250
<v Ivan>And he claimed that they were from an insurance company somewhere in Canada,

01:20:10.250 --> 01:20:11.170
<v Ivan>if I remember correctly.

01:20:11.170 --> 01:20:17.810
<v Ivan>And so he went and somehow he got access to the office of the insurance company,

01:20:18.090 --> 01:20:23.130
<v Ivan>got access to a conference room, and sat down in there to negotiate the sale

01:20:23.130 --> 01:20:27.210
<v Ivan>of these securities like he was part of the insurance company.

01:20:27.210 --> 01:20:32.030
<v Ivan>But all he did was manage to hijack a conference room into place to act like

01:20:32.030 --> 01:20:33.170
<v Ivan>he was the insurance company.

01:20:33.310 --> 01:20:38.010
<v Ivan>And this is kind of like the people I feel that this administration is talking

01:20:38.010 --> 01:20:43.630
<v Ivan>in Iran. It's some fucking guys that decided to go and say, hey, we'll talk to you.

01:20:43.850 --> 01:20:47.690
<v Ivan>OK, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, we'll make a deal with something,

01:20:47.870 --> 01:20:48.570
<v Ivan>whatever, blah, blah, blah.

01:20:48.710 --> 01:20:52.490
<v Ivan>They got the Pakistanis in the middle, which I believe are trying to also curry

01:20:52.490 --> 01:20:54.410
<v Ivan>favor with Trump in some way.

01:20:54.550 --> 01:20:57.890
<v Ivan>And so they're saying that they're talking to them. But who the fuck knows who

01:20:57.890 --> 01:20:59.230
<v Ivan>the hell they're talking to anyway?

01:20:59.650 --> 01:21:02.810
<v Ivan>You know, might as well. They're probably just bullshitting him anyway.

01:21:02.810 --> 01:21:06.830
<v Ivan>Because, by the way, he doesn't, you know, because if you were a real president,

01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:10.370
<v Ivan>okay, you'll be using your intelligence services to figure out and figure it

01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:14.450
<v Ivan>out who the fuck you're talking to and making sure that whatever you're talking to is a real source.

01:21:14.750 --> 01:21:18.110
<v Ivan>Instead, you know, this is like, hey, bro, I trust you, baby.

01:21:18.450 --> 01:21:21.350
<v Ivan>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You tell me what the fuck it is, you know,

01:21:21.450 --> 01:21:23.250
<v Ivan>and that's who they're talking to.

01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:27.300
<v Sam>Like, meanwhile, the actual Iranian leadership, which, by the way,

01:21:27.380 --> 01:21:30.440
<v Sam>apparently the new Ayatollah has not been seen in a while.

01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:34.480
<v Sam>So there are rumors that maybe he was significantly injured and maybe he's not

01:21:34.480 --> 01:21:36.280
<v Sam>dead, but he's not really functional.

01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:42.080
<v Sam>But the folks who are talking in Iranian leadership are 100 percent.

01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:46.700
<v Sam>Why would we ever negotiate with the Americans again?

01:21:46.700 --> 01:21:51.360
<v Sam>The last two times that we were negotiating with them,

01:21:51.740 --> 01:21:55.040
<v Sam>right in the middle of the negotiations, where we, by the way,

01:21:55.300 --> 01:22:02.720
<v Sam>were offering real things and real concessions, right in the middle of that, they attack us.

01:22:03.100 --> 01:22:07.340
<v Sam>So why would we bother? There's no trustworthy negotiation.

01:22:07.700 --> 01:22:14.080
<v Sam>We had a deal that we made with Obama that was really strict and had a whole

01:22:14.080 --> 01:22:16.540
<v Sam>bunch of stuff on it, and it was going well.

01:22:16.700 --> 01:22:20.160
<v Sam>And Donald pulled out of that thing last time.

01:22:20.580 --> 01:22:24.860
<v Sam>And then these last two times they've attacked us during negotiations.

01:22:24.860 --> 01:22:26.900
<v Sam>Why would we ever do that again?

01:22:27.100 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Sam>If you remember, in one situation, the Israelis even attacked the negotiating

01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:38.340
<v Sam>team at their hotel in, I forget which Gulf state it was.

01:22:39.110 --> 01:22:44.350
<v Sam>You know, why would we trust any of this? And that's completely legitimate.

01:22:44.530 --> 01:22:46.630
<v Sam>Why would they? Why would they?

01:22:47.490 --> 01:22:49.490
<v Sam>There's no incentive for it whatsoever.

01:22:50.050 --> 01:22:51.410
<v Ivan>I mean, the deal was terrible, Sam.

01:22:52.070 --> 01:22:59.370
<v Sam>And look, apparently, they were offering stuff close to the previous Obama deal

01:22:59.370 --> 01:23:03.210
<v Sam>this time around, if not ahead of it in certain areas.

01:23:03.210 --> 01:23:13.270
<v Sam>And, you know, but it certainly appears that, you know, the Trump administration didn't actually care.

01:23:13.410 --> 01:23:15.410
<v Sam>It was all just a sideshow.

01:23:15.630 --> 01:23:17.390
<v Sam>Like, they didn't really want a deal.

01:23:17.830 --> 01:23:21.530
<v Sam>They wanted to do this. Although there's some question about that, too.

01:23:21.630 --> 01:23:24.350
<v Sam>It may have been one of these things where Trump was going back and forth and

01:23:24.350 --> 01:23:29.650
<v Sam>this and Yahoo was just the last person he talked to before he gave the yes,

01:23:29.990 --> 01:23:31.950
<v Sam>you know, to to do the attack.

01:23:32.930 --> 01:23:34.450
<v Sam>But I don't know, Yvonne, are

01:23:34.450 --> 01:23:39.210
<v Sam>we going to we still have we still have all kinds of taco opportunities.

01:23:39.210 --> 01:23:46.050
<v Sam>Donald Trump has not bombed the power facilities and such because Iran said,

01:23:46.190 --> 01:23:49.030
<v Sam>you know, you do that, we're going to bomb similar facilities all throughout

01:23:49.030 --> 01:23:50.870
<v Sam>the Middle East, you know.

01:23:51.150 --> 01:23:55.270
<v Sam>And so Donald apparently backed out, apparently. And he's talking about these

01:23:55.270 --> 01:23:56.870
<v Sam>negotiations that are going well.

01:23:57.830 --> 01:24:02.250
<v Sam>Donald could stop our involvement at any moment.

01:24:02.890 --> 01:24:07.450
<v Sam>There's a question whether Iran would back off. There's a question of whether Israel would back off.

01:24:08.700 --> 01:24:13.520
<v Sam>But do you believe that in another two weeks, we'll all be done here?

01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:15.220
<v Sam>Everything back to normal?

01:24:16.180 --> 01:24:19.340
<v Ivan>No. No. There's no way. No.

01:24:20.260 --> 01:24:28.400
<v Sam>And by the way, even if hostilities stopped tomorrow, all of the price implications

01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:31.780
<v Sam>of this stuff, they don't reset in a week.

01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:36.340
<v Sam>That's going to take a long time to rebalance and get things back.

01:24:36.340 --> 01:24:43.200
<v Ivan>Like, listen, the inflationary effects that we have right now are going to last a very, very long time.

01:24:44.140 --> 01:24:50.600
<v Ivan>This is a worst scenario that they have created related to inflation in the economy right now.

01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:59.020
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I feel like we've already got baked in,

01:24:59.180 --> 01:25:03.380
<v Sam>I mean, at least through the end of this year, right? Even if things get better right away?

01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:10.380
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, the supply shock of oil isn't going to get rectified anytime soon.

01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:15.820
<v Ivan>So this is going to create a serious issue in terms of prices, in terms of everything.

01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:22.220
<v Ivan>It's like these shocks just don't go away that quickly.

01:25:23.140 --> 01:25:29.260
<v Ivan>And so when you have depleted inventories, when you've got like fuel shortages,

01:25:29.860 --> 01:25:32.900
<v Ivan>when you people are going to start one of the things that's going to happen

01:25:32.900 --> 01:25:37.900
<v Ivan>is people are going to start hoarding supplies also which that drives up prices

01:25:37.900 --> 01:25:49.460
<v Ivan>um no i mean like right now listen five dollar a gallon for regular gas right now is real it's here,

01:25:50.450 --> 01:25:52.150
<v Ivan>And it's not going away anytime soon.

01:25:52.330 --> 01:25:58.010
<v Sam>I shared a picture to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack of one gas station near

01:25:58.010 --> 01:26:01.170
<v Sam>my son's school that's at $6 for regular.

01:26:01.410 --> 01:26:04.830
<v Sam>Now, to be fair, it's the most expensive I've seen around here.

01:26:04.990 --> 01:26:07.450
<v Sam>Almost everywhere else is between $5 and $5.50.

01:26:07.970 --> 01:26:10.130
<v Sam>But there's this one that's at $6.

01:26:10.830 --> 01:26:13.610
<v Sam>I don't know how they can get away with it when all the ones around them are

01:26:13.610 --> 01:26:16.590
<v Sam>$5.50, but whatever. Location, I guess.

01:26:16.810 --> 01:26:19.530
<v Ivan>Listen, it probably, let me tell you something. Like, one of the things about

01:26:19.530 --> 01:26:22.430
<v Ivan>now, but one of the things about gasoline prices is having, like,

01:26:22.550 --> 01:26:28.130
<v Ivan>my uncle had a gas station. So I remember how they set prices a lot of the time.

01:26:28.410 --> 01:26:31.350
<v Ivan>So it depends on when they get shipments, okay?

01:26:31.510 --> 01:26:35.750
<v Ivan>All right? So they will set the price depending on when the last shipment of gas that came in.

01:26:35.810 --> 01:26:41.310
<v Ivan>You pay, you know, your gas station, you will be paying for spot price for gasoline

01:26:41.310 --> 01:26:42.590
<v Ivan>as it arrives at that moment.

01:26:42.590 --> 01:26:46.990
<v Ivan>And then from that, you will set price. And so, you know, if it's a high volume

01:26:46.990 --> 01:26:52.330
<v Ivan>gas station, they get pretty frequent shipments, your price,

01:26:52.550 --> 01:26:54.890
<v Ivan>you're going to have to push the price up immediately.

01:26:55.130 --> 01:26:59.830
<v Ivan>Because if you get a new tanker that you fill up and it's 25% more than the

01:26:59.830 --> 01:27:01.870
<v Ivan>last one, you can't be selling it.

01:27:02.030 --> 01:27:06.970
<v Ivan>You can't sell it at four bucks when you paid five, you know?

01:27:07.310 --> 01:27:10.030
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I said location as well, right?

01:27:10.130 --> 01:27:14.670
<v Sam>Because if it's in a good location, like this one gas station that's at six,

01:27:15.110 --> 01:27:18.310
<v Sam>there are cheaper gas stations nearby, but not within sight.

01:27:18.750 --> 01:27:22.870
<v Sam>It's a little different than when it's the one like 30 feet down the road, right?

01:27:23.090 --> 01:27:26.330
<v Sam>You know, you're going to, the people driving by are going to go to the cheaper

01:27:26.330 --> 01:27:27.970
<v Sam>one if they can see both of them at the same time.

01:27:27.990 --> 01:27:31.210
<v Ivan>Yeah, when they're like right across the street sometimes. Yeah,

01:27:31.590 --> 01:27:34.290
<v Ivan>that does happen with gas stations across the street where they have.

01:27:34.290 --> 01:27:38.350
<v Ivan>But eventually, what I'm saying is that when the other gas station gets their

01:27:38.350 --> 01:27:41.070
<v Ivan>next shipment, their price is going to go back up. Yeah.

01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:45.600
<v Ivan>Yeah, so we're fucked.

01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:53.820
<v Sam>Nice. Well, I mean, the one good thing from my point of view on this is the

01:27:53.820 --> 01:27:57.540
<v Sam>more this kind of stuff is fucked, the better the Democrats are going to do in November.

01:27:57.900 --> 01:28:08.120
<v Ivan>So, listen, this is, this is the, this is, I mean, you want to talk about bad

01:28:08.120 --> 01:28:11.080
<v Ivan>scenarios for a party, okay?

01:28:12.300 --> 01:28:15.780
<v Ivan>this is almost as bad

01:28:15.780 --> 01:28:19.460
<v Ivan>as 2008 like right now it's

01:28:19.460 --> 01:28:26.360
<v Ivan>edge it's it's it's it's going towards 2008 1980 type but here's the thing even

01:28:26.360 --> 01:28:30.060
<v Ivan>in 1980 the democrats didn't lose the house well of course the democrats held

01:28:30.060 --> 01:28:36.340
<v Ivan>the house forever okay it was like 50 plus years until neil law until newt Inrish. Yeah.

01:28:38.480 --> 01:28:42.380
<v Sam>And you say they didn't lose, but I think they lost ground. Like,

01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:44.720
<v Sam>they lost, they just had enough of a buffer that they could...

01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:48.120
<v Ivan>They lost ground, but they, yeah, but they never, but they never,

01:28:48.320 --> 01:28:52.060
<v Ivan>they didn't lose it for fucking 50 years, okay? You know?

01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:59.520
<v Ivan>So, I mean, this is, you know, this is a very different territory than 1980. We can't compare it.

01:29:00.580 --> 01:29:01.680
<v Sam>Ah, yet.

01:29:02.740 --> 01:29:03.240
<v Ivan>Yet.

01:29:04.240 --> 01:29:07.480
<v Sam>Yes. We can, you know, like never

01:29:07.480 --> 01:29:13.700
<v Sam>underestimate the potential for this administration to make things worse.

01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:23.020
<v Ivan>Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, that is one thing that, I mean, they are being quite

01:29:23.020 --> 01:29:26.580
<v Ivan>impressive at just fucking with everything.

01:29:26.900 --> 01:29:28.840
<v Ivan>And the thing is that...

01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:36.040
<v Ivan>Right now, everything they are doing is so unpopular. And they keep doubling and tripling down on it.

01:29:36.380 --> 01:29:43.440
<v Ivan>And it's like... But of course, they go and they show Trump all these videos of the bombs, right?

01:29:43.660 --> 01:29:48.840
<v Ivan>So he's like, yay, look, my bombs. They're so cool.

01:29:49.180 --> 01:29:54.060
<v Ivan>Look at all those cute little bombs over there, killing all those people.

01:29:54.060 --> 01:30:00.540
<v Ivan>it's like listen they were playing the DOD was putting out fucking videos combining

01:30:00.540 --> 01:30:07.840
<v Ivan>video fucking game footage with fucking war footage like this is some kind of

01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:11.960
<v Ivan>game not like we're killing people meanwhile.

01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:16.180
<v Sam>And I shared this on the curmudgeon's corner slack Iran put out,

01:30:17.060 --> 01:30:22.500
<v Sam>Honestly, a really good music video with like Lego versions of Donald Trump and everybody.

01:30:23.120 --> 01:30:28.220
<v Ivan>Oh my God. They did a brilliant job. You know, this is one of these things where

01:30:28.220 --> 01:30:30.400
<v Ivan>I'm just like, man, look, let me tell you something.

01:30:30.620 --> 01:30:33.300
<v Ivan>On the one side, I have a repressive regime.

01:30:33.300 --> 01:30:35.860
<v Sam>I mean, 100% propaganda, but come on, it was good.

01:30:36.860 --> 01:30:43.900
<v Ivan>Yes, but it was good. But this is what I'm cheering on the Iranian side.

01:30:43.900 --> 01:30:49.060
<v Ivan>A brutal, repressive regime that has murdered so many people,

01:30:49.200 --> 01:30:53.700
<v Ivan>that oppresses them, that kills gays, that kills whatever, puts people in prison

01:30:53.700 --> 01:30:56.220
<v Ivan>without any due process, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

01:30:56.580 --> 01:31:00.980
<v Ivan>Okay, it's a horrible regime. On the right side, I got fucking Donald J.

01:31:01.120 --> 01:31:05.060
<v Ivan>Trump, who is also an evil asshole on it.

01:31:05.180 --> 01:31:13.340
<v Ivan>And I never thought that I would be on the cheering side for Iran on something.

01:31:13.340 --> 01:31:16.460
<v Ivan>They put out that video, and I'm like, this is brilliant.

01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:21.300
<v Ivan>They are right. What the fuck can I say? I can't argue about anything.

01:31:21.580 --> 01:31:25.160
<v Ivan>They put out this fucking video. Not one fucking thing. Nothing.

01:31:26.180 --> 01:31:31.820
<v Sam>It was things about Donald Trump making people's lives worse.

01:31:31.860 --> 01:31:34.800
<v Sam>It was about him doing this to distract from the Epstein file.

01:31:35.100 --> 01:31:41.320
<v Sam>It was about, yeah, search up the Iranian Lego propaganda video.

01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:46.080
<v Sam>It's worth a watch. honestly it's funny it's

01:31:46.080 --> 01:31:48.780
<v Sam>it's got uh yeah it's got a

01:31:48.780 --> 01:31:54.440
<v Sam>song behind it that's actually catchy you know yeah and like and like yvonne

01:31:54.440 --> 01:31:59.820
<v Sam>said most of what they say in there you you look at it and you're like you know

01:31:59.820 --> 01:32:05.780
<v Sam>they're right about this part they're right about that part you know there are

01:32:05.780 --> 01:32:08.440
<v Sam>parts where they're like calling for revenge and stuff almost.

01:32:08.440 --> 01:32:09.120
<v Ivan>None of it.

01:32:09.120 --> 01:32:15.820
<v Sam>You know So anyway, one other thing about Donald they'll say, and then let's wrap up.

01:32:17.220 --> 01:32:21.380
<v Sam>And I know I'd said something about this to a curmudgeon's corner slack and

01:32:21.380 --> 01:32:23.240
<v Sam>Yvonne's like, you know, Sam, nobody cares.

01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:27.520
<v Sam>And I agree. Nobody cares. But Donald Trump's mental state is getting worse.

01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:32.820
<v Sam>Mental and physical state is getting noticeably worse, like on a week to week basis.

01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:37.480
<v Ivan>But the thing is that, listen, I know, but we've talked about it for so long.

01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:40.240
<v Ivan>And the Republicans don't give a fuck.

01:32:40.460 --> 01:32:44.180
<v Ivan>They are not going to do a goddamn thing about it.

01:32:44.180 --> 01:32:48.640
<v Sam>No, they are not. And they're actively covering for it, if anything.

01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:54.940
<v Sam>I mean, I mentioned earlier him falling asleep. I think Hegseth was talking or something.

01:32:55.120 --> 01:32:59.900
<v Sam>And Donald Trump was sitting right next to him, two feet away, and was clearly asleep.

01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:04.860
<v Sam>Hegseth sort of mentioned his name a couple of times to try to get him to wake up.

01:33:05.820 --> 01:33:11.420
<v Sam>And you saw his eyes roll a little bit. And he's saying things that are,

01:33:12.180 --> 01:33:15.100
<v Sam>I mean, and look, we're grading on a curve here.

01:33:15.260 --> 01:33:19.360
<v Sam>We're talking against, like, Donald Trump was never particularly hinged to begin

01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:22.280
<v Sam>with, but he's even more unhinged now.

01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:28.880
<v Sam>Like, the things he's saying and how much they are or are not related to reality, it's getting worse.

01:33:29.120 --> 01:33:29.740
<v Ivan>You know what, what,

01:33:30.820 --> 01:33:40.440
<v Ivan>Listen, what really pisses me off to no end now is where the fuck are all these

01:33:40.440 --> 01:33:44.600
<v Ivan>people that kept complaining about Biden's mental state?

01:33:46.140 --> 01:33:51.020
<v Ivan>Fuck you all. Okay? Fuck you all in hell. Okay?

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:59.700
<v Sam>Yes. I mean, hell, even during the 2024 campaign, like, with everything you

01:33:59.700 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Sam>could say about Biden, Trump was arguably worse even then.

01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:06.340
<v Sam>He's definitely worse now.

01:34:07.780 --> 01:34:10.360
<v Sam>You know, he, like, and, yeah.

01:34:10.360 --> 01:34:11.080
<v Ivan>Way worse!

01:34:11.420 --> 01:34:13.200
<v Sam>And there's something you could be.

01:34:13.280 --> 01:34:19.560
<v Ivan>Hey, where is Jake Tapper's expose on Trump's mental fucking facilities,

01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.100
<v Ivan>huh? Where the fuck is his expose?

01:34:22.860 --> 01:34:25.640
<v Ivan>you know what that prick still to this day and I

01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:30.740
<v Ivan>swear to God if I bump into that guy I'm gonna yell at him okay if I if I bump

01:34:30.740 --> 01:34:35.380
<v Ivan>into that asshole that fucking part about well they were considering putting

01:34:35.380 --> 01:34:40.560
<v Ivan>him in a fucking wheelchair hey Sam have you seen Rin right now even with cancer

01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:44.340
<v Ivan>being rolled around through airports in a fucking wheelchair no.

01:34:44.340 --> 01:34:49.340
<v Sam>No I've seen I've seen recent pictures of him getting ice cream again on planes

01:34:49.340 --> 01:34:55.260
<v Sam>at the airport, like, you know, all walking by himself. Yeah.

01:34:56.120 --> 01:35:01.880
<v Sam>And that's with cancer. And by the way, even if he had to be in a wheelchair,

01:35:02.380 --> 01:35:05.280
<v Sam>that says absolutely nothing about his mental state and what matters.

01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:08.500
<v Sam>You know, we had a president in a wheelchair before.

01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:14.380
<v Ivan>Yes, you have seen him interacting with people, random interactions with so many people.

01:35:14.540 --> 01:35:20.520
<v Ivan>Has he sounded like an incoherent, blubbering idiot that our president right now sounds like.

01:35:21.460 --> 01:35:23.760
<v Sam>No, no, no, no.

01:35:24.160 --> 01:35:28.060
<v Ivan>But if I fucking, I swear to God, that motherfucker, better Jay Tapper,

01:35:28.320 --> 01:35:31.460
<v Ivan>never, ever I see that fucking guy in front of me.

01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:37.000
<v Ivan>Because that guy will experience a screaming match that he will have never gotten in his life.

01:35:37.860 --> 01:35:45.520
<v Sam>Well, and looking back at 2024, the problems with Trump's mental state and with

01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:47.200
<v Sam>Biden's mental state were different.

01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:52.300
<v Sam>You know, when you look at Biden, okay, he's tired sometimes. But he's still smart.

01:35:52.500 --> 01:35:53.780
<v Ivan>Biden was tired.

01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:56.240
<v Sam>Biden was tired.

01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:01.540
<v Ivan>And went to that debate sick with a fucking cold.

01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:08.100
<v Sam>With Donald Trump, the issue going back decades, not all of this is new,

01:36:08.380 --> 01:36:11.880
<v Sam>is the stupid narcissistic personality disorder.

01:36:12.200 --> 01:36:18.740
<v Sam>The fact that he doesn't distinguish truth from fiction at all.

01:36:18.740 --> 01:36:23.180
<v Sam>he believes that's like irrelevant never the

01:36:23.180 --> 01:36:31.440
<v Sam>fact that he's he has zero reading comprehension has like he's just not that

01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:37.660
<v Sam>smart in general can't like really absorb the materials that you need to be

01:36:37.660 --> 01:36:42.780
<v Sam>a competent president and and frankly just the the whole fact of like Like,

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:49.620
<v Sam>I guess this is encompassed in the narcissistic personality disorder, but it's all about him.

01:36:50.220 --> 01:36:58.180
<v Sam>It's all about him all the time. You know, and these are all problems.

01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:02.860
<v Ivan>But he did say that it, hey, Sam, have we confirmed who the former president

01:37:02.860 --> 01:37:05.520
<v Ivan>is that he talked to about the war like recently?

01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.580
<v Sam>It's probably George Washington. Okay. Okay.

01:37:12.730 --> 01:37:16.410
<v Ivan>Is the ghost of George Washington in the White House? Oh, okay. All right. That's it.

01:37:16.830 --> 01:37:20.850
<v Sam>Exactly. No, you know, George Washington never lived in the White House. It was built after him.

01:37:21.690 --> 01:37:24.970
<v Sam>But, no, the, look, and just.

01:37:25.410 --> 01:37:27.930
<v Ivan>Aren't there any pieces? Wait, wait, wait, wait. But no, but I,

01:37:28.150 --> 01:37:32.290
<v Ivan>didn't when they did their remodeling, there's some things from George Washington.

01:37:32.490 --> 01:37:36.290
<v Sam>Oh, I'm sure they're George Washington artifacts. But he did not live in it.

01:37:36.310 --> 01:37:36.410
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:37:36.550 --> 01:37:39.130
<v Sam>He did not live in the White House. He did not die in the White House.

01:37:39.370 --> 01:37:39.590
<v Ivan>No, no, no, he didn't.

01:37:39.590 --> 01:37:41.490
<v Sam>So his ghost is somewhere else.

01:37:41.870 --> 01:37:42.330
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:42.750 --> 01:37:44.930
<v Sam>His ghost is off in Mount Vernon or something.

01:37:45.010 --> 01:37:47.050
<v Ivan>Well, okay, fair enough. Fair enough, fair enough.

01:37:47.090 --> 01:37:49.330
<v Sam>Fair enough. That was George Washington's place.

01:37:49.330 --> 01:37:49.730
<v Ivan>Right? Yeah, Mount Vernon.

01:37:49.910 --> 01:37:50.250
<v Sam>Yeah, Mount Vernon.

01:37:50.470 --> 01:37:53.090
<v Ivan>Yeah, Mount Vernon. Yeah, Mount Vernon. It was Mount Vernon.

01:37:53.250 --> 01:37:54.190
<v Ivan>Yeah, so Mount Vernon, yeah.

01:37:54.670 --> 01:37:56.030
<v Sam>Anyway, I just want to say,

01:37:56.810 --> 01:38:03.370
<v Sam>Like, in terms of Trump's own mental state, I mean, the falling asleep is a physical thing.

01:38:03.650 --> 01:38:08.830
<v Sam>But, and I'm not saying, some people are directly saying dementia. I'm not going there.

01:38:09.010 --> 01:38:17.290
<v Sam>I'm just saying pre-existing problems he has had are getting worse over time. That's all I'm saying.

01:38:17.610 --> 01:38:23.030
<v Sam>And so, like, you get him, when you listen to his speeches, he's confused.

01:38:23.350 --> 01:38:28.810
<v Sam>He's rambling. he's saying things that are nonsensical he's getting facts wrong

01:38:28.810 --> 01:38:34.570
<v Sam>and all of these things are happening at an increasing pace and he was never

01:38:34.570 --> 01:38:38.990
<v Sam>good at any of this stuff to begin with never ever ever and.

01:38:38.990 --> 01:38:39.970
<v Ivan>Now they are worse.

01:38:39.970 --> 01:38:43.290
<v Sam>And now they are worse and they seemingly are

01:38:43.290 --> 01:38:46.270
<v Sam>getting worse quickly so i

01:38:46.270 --> 01:38:49.310
<v Sam>don't and and and like you said like nobody seems

01:38:49.310 --> 01:38:52.330
<v Sam>to care the republicans certainly don't care the mainstream

01:38:52.330 --> 01:38:55.130
<v Sam>media isn't talking about it a lot like you know

01:38:55.130 --> 01:38:58.250
<v Sam>they're they're they're all they'll write

01:38:58.250 --> 01:39:00.930
<v Sam>an article about like he'll get he'll he'll give a little

01:39:00.930 --> 01:39:06.250
<v Sam>news conference and when they write about it they'll sanitize it all and try

01:39:06.250 --> 01:39:11.030
<v Sam>to like like like i did when i was like oh he's probably talking to the you

01:39:11.030 --> 01:39:13.970
<v Sam>know these people in iran who aren't the people in charge but he hopes they'll

01:39:13.970 --> 01:39:19.430
<v Sam>be in charge i am trying to interpret like you're saying watching it.

01:39:19.610 --> 01:39:24.730
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm saying, watch, I'm trying to find some aspect of reality out of what

01:39:24.730 --> 01:39:31.610
<v Sam>really most likely are just incoherent ramblings, you know? So, I don't know.

01:39:32.990 --> 01:39:34.210
<v Sam>Are we done, Mr. Bo?

01:39:35.670 --> 01:39:36.110
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:39:36.950 --> 01:39:39.910
<v Sam>Okay. So let me wrap this sucker up.

01:39:40.930 --> 01:39:47.090
<v Sam>Go to curmudgeons-corner.com. You'll find all of the ways to contact us.

01:39:47.150 --> 01:39:48.050
<v Sam>You'll find our archives.

01:39:48.210 --> 01:39:50.350
<v Sam>You'll find transcripts. You'll find all that kind of stuff.

01:39:50.650 --> 01:39:54.430
<v Sam>You will, of course, also find a Patreon where you can give us money.

01:39:55.050 --> 01:39:58.930
<v Sam>Money is nice. Give us money. And at various levels on the Patreon,

01:39:59.270 --> 01:40:00.290
<v Sam>we will mention you on the show.

01:40:00.390 --> 01:40:02.870
<v Sam>We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. We will send you a mug.

01:40:03.050 --> 01:40:06.050
<v Sam>All of that kind of stuff. at $2 a month or more.

01:40:06.350 --> 01:40:10.810
<v Sam>Or if you just ask us, we will invite you to the Commissions Chorus Slack,

01:40:11.050 --> 01:40:13.570
<v Sam>which we have mentioned quite a few times on this show of like,

01:40:13.650 --> 01:40:15.990
<v Sam>oh, well, we discussed this on the Slack. We shared this on the Slack.

01:40:16.130 --> 01:40:18.570
<v Sam>We share all kinds of stuff. We talk about things.

01:40:18.910 --> 01:40:24.370
<v Sam>We, whatever, the news. Like while we have been talking, Yvonne has simultaneously

01:40:24.370 --> 01:40:29.350
<v Sam>been having a conversation about his condo association on the Slack.

01:40:29.590 --> 01:40:31.490
<v Sam>So all kinds of things are going on all the time.

01:40:31.490 --> 01:40:36.690
<v Ivan>I shared my campaign. Okay, I did. And if you look at it, look.

01:40:36.970 --> 01:40:40.270
<v Sam>I have not opened a link. Because I've been paying attention to you.

01:40:41.240 --> 01:40:46.220
<v Ivan>Okay, my campaign site right now, you should take a page from mine,

01:40:46.460 --> 01:40:51.420
<v Ivan>you should take a page from my campaign site for your wife's in terms of the issues part.

01:40:51.860 --> 01:40:57.780
<v Ivan>Because if you look at my issues part, I am fucking detailed as,

01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:03.500
<v Ivan>I will put anybody to shame on details about the issues, the facts,

01:41:03.900 --> 01:41:06.820
<v Ivan>an action plan, what we're doing, whatever.

01:41:06.820 --> 01:41:14.620
<v Ivan>However, it's nauseatingly thorough, okay? Let me just put it to you this way, okay?

01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:17.040
<v Ivan>It is nauseatingly thorough, okay?

01:41:17.580 --> 01:41:22.860
<v Ivan>And backed up with just a ridiculous amount of detail, okay? All right?

01:41:23.540 --> 01:41:29.540
<v Ivan>I also, by the way, I took the opportunity to expose my nemesis.

01:41:29.540 --> 01:41:35.920
<v Ivan>I downloaded all our text messages and I summarized them so they can see clearly

01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:42.440
<v Ivan>how he lied while saying that I was never cooperative.

01:41:43.420 --> 01:41:49.100
<v Ivan>And saying publicly, in private text messages, he repeatedly said the opposite.

01:41:49.480 --> 01:41:50.080
<v Sam>Okay.

01:41:50.820 --> 01:41:56.120
<v Ivan>So I downloaded our entire, there was a massive trove of text.

01:41:56.280 --> 01:42:02.080
<v Ivan>I saved them all. I summarize them and have it there in detail to expose him

01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:05.320
<v Ivan>as a fucking lying piece of shit he is.

01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:10.720
<v Sam>There you go. That's very nice. So aside from that, Yvonne, what's a highlight

01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:14.700
<v Sam>from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that we have not talked about on the show

01:42:14.700 --> 01:42:16.700
<v Sam>that will make people want to join our Patreon?

01:42:17.320 --> 01:42:18.240
<v Sam>Or our Slack.

01:42:18.860 --> 01:42:22.580
<v Ivan>It's related to air travel, but really isn't. Okay.

01:42:22.740 --> 01:42:29.620
<v Ivan>All right. And I will say, here's the thing. This happened the first time I, over the years,

01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:40.620
<v Ivan>airlines have combined train or bus travel together with air travel as like a one ticket. Okay.

01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:46.960
<v Ivan>So a flight segment made appear on an airline ticket as a flight segment,

01:42:46.980 --> 01:42:48.940
<v Ivan>but may actually be on a train.

01:42:49.120 --> 01:42:55.280
<v Ivan>This is something I had heard that is rare, has been rare, but has happened, okay?

01:42:55.520 --> 01:43:02.140
<v Ivan>In the 80s, I remember specifically out of Newark specifically, there was a way,

01:43:02.380 --> 01:43:05.940
<v Ivan>you know, it was out of New York area airport where you could combine a certain

01:43:05.940 --> 01:43:11.640
<v Ivan>portion of the travel by air or bus to get to certain places in order to complete your trip, okay?

01:43:11.860 --> 01:43:15.780
<v Ivan>And so the thing about it is that allowed all the, all you could to be able

01:43:15.780 --> 01:43:17.480
<v Ivan>to pay it on your airline ticket.

01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:20.700
<v Ivan>And so you're not buying a separate bus ticket and whatever.

01:43:20.980 --> 01:43:26.140
<v Ivan>So you get your entire transportation all in one. But it's not common. OK, it's very uncommon.

01:43:26.400 --> 01:43:31.360
<v Ivan>And so a few months ago on a podcast I listened to, somebody was going to South

01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:36.080
<v Ivan>Bend, Indiana, and there are planes that travel from Chicago to South Bend, Indiana.

01:43:36.460 --> 01:43:41.580
<v Ivan>But American Airlines went and substituted that with a bus. Okay.

01:43:42.100 --> 01:43:48.580
<v Ivan>And so all of a sudden, and the thing is that you board the bus from a gate at the airport. Okay.

01:43:48.980 --> 01:43:54.340
<v Ivan>So the thing is that he goes and he lands in Chicago. He's going to the gate for his connection.

01:43:54.620 --> 01:43:59.400
<v Ivan>And then he gets taken down to a bus. And then he thinks that the bus is going

01:43:59.400 --> 01:44:02.160
<v Ivan>to take him to the plane. But no.

01:44:03.070 --> 01:44:06.370
<v Ivan>bus was taken up to South Bend. Okay.

01:44:06.690 --> 01:44:07.270
<v Sam>Excellent.

01:44:07.570 --> 01:44:13.690
<v Ivan>And it arrived at the airport and it left them not like at a bus depot,

01:44:13.830 --> 01:44:18.990
<v Ivan>but it drove to like where the planes arrived and then offloaded them there and his bags.

01:44:19.270 --> 01:44:23.790
<v Ivan>And this was very confusing. So a story came out about this,

01:44:23.890 --> 01:44:28.690
<v Ivan>you know, on the Washington Post, you know, about this when your first class

01:44:28.690 --> 01:44:30.750
<v Ivan>flight turns out to be a bus ride.

01:44:30.750 --> 01:44:34.930
<v Ivan>Some airlines are operating bus routes as flights from small communities to larger.

01:44:35.170 --> 01:44:40.110
<v Ivan>And the one thing that why some people are confused, as I realize,

01:44:40.390 --> 01:44:46.710
<v Ivan>is that if you're buying this now, not from the airline website,

01:44:46.990 --> 01:44:50.270
<v Ivan>okay, but you're buying it from a third party.

01:44:50.550 --> 01:44:52.030
<v Sam>Like an Expedia or something.

01:44:52.030 --> 01:44:57.190
<v Ivan>It's not obviously clear. Yeah. It's not obviously clear that it's a bus.

01:44:57.910 --> 01:45:00.830
<v Ivan>and that's where people like if you because you go to

01:45:00.830 --> 01:45:05.210
<v Ivan>American Airlines you know you buy it from there it's it's it's very very obvious

01:45:05.210 --> 01:45:10.490
<v Ivan>that part of the trip is on a bus but these people went on Expedia or whatever

01:45:10.490 --> 01:45:13.670
<v Ivan>bought this thing and then all of a sudden you know they're like wait a minute

01:45:13.670 --> 01:45:18.310
<v Ivan>what the fuck a bus and it's a nice bus by the way some people have mentioned

01:45:18.310 --> 01:45:20.190
<v Ivan>that and I've seen the bus.

01:45:20.670 --> 01:45:22.870
<v Ivan>I'll tell you what, this is nicer than some planes.

01:45:23.810 --> 01:45:31.910
<v Sam>Well, yeah. I mean, especially the economy class jammed in on some airlines, right?

01:45:32.430 --> 01:45:35.510
<v Sam>Buses usually have a decent amount of legroom, for instance.

01:45:37.110 --> 01:45:40.430
<v Ivan>It's a luxury coach bus.

01:45:40.590 --> 01:45:44.030
<v Ivan>It's not, you know, it's a very nice, if you go into the article and you see

01:45:44.030 --> 01:45:45.410
<v Ivan>the pictures, it's a very nice bus.

01:45:45.690 --> 01:45:47.630
<v Sam>It's not a 1980s school bus.

01:45:48.630 --> 01:45:52.910
<v Ivan>No, no, no. Oh, no, nothing of the sort. It's even got fold-down tables like

01:45:52.910 --> 01:45:54.770
<v Ivan>on the airplane and everything, you know?

01:45:55.050 --> 01:45:57.770
<v Ivan>It's got video screens, fold-down, Wi-Fi.

01:45:59.010 --> 01:46:00.890
<v Sam>Very good. Okay.

01:46:01.130 --> 01:46:01.930
<v Ivan>So, anyway.

01:46:02.690 --> 01:46:08.350
<v Sam>Nice, nice, nice thing. I will do my obligatory Robin Letter promotion, too.

01:46:09.330 --> 01:46:14.370
<v Sam>Trailing four-week active users is up to 80. So, that's good, you know.

01:46:14.610 --> 01:46:17.770
<v Sam>And I suspect, since I've mentioned it on the show several times,

01:46:17.810 --> 01:46:20.430
<v Sam>anybody who's interested here has already contacted me.

01:46:20.830 --> 01:46:26.490
<v Sam>So, I've stopped, like, inviting my own people. So I have to figure out what

01:46:26.490 --> 01:46:30.630
<v Sam>the next growth burst will be and how I will engineer that.

01:46:30.790 --> 01:46:36.550
<v Sam>But I now have, there are three Robins that have been created that I am not

01:46:36.550 --> 01:46:41.410
<v Sam>personally on at this point. And all three of them seem to be active over the

01:46:41.410 --> 01:46:43.850
<v Sam>last few days. So that's going well.

01:46:44.330 --> 01:46:44.630
<v Ivan>There you go.

01:46:44.730 --> 01:46:49.290
<v Sam>So we'll see. We'll see. Yvonne's presumably still working on getting the millions

01:46:49.290 --> 01:46:50.930
<v Sam>from this for this for me.

01:46:51.090 --> 01:46:54.970
<v Sam>And I am working on getting the individual dollar bills at some point.

01:46:54.970 --> 01:47:00.470
<v Ivan>I was traveling, but I have modified the documents and stuff.

01:47:00.470 --> 01:47:03.190
<v Ivan>I have some action items that I had.

01:47:03.310 --> 01:47:07.110
<v Ivan>I had been traveling this last week. I've been busy, but I had promised to catch

01:47:07.110 --> 01:47:09.350
<v Ivan>up on it this week when I got back.

01:47:09.490 --> 01:47:13.270
<v Sam>That's all cool. And I've been slogging through some...

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<v Sam>Some behind-the-scenes stuff, like improving metrics collection and stuff like

01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:23.680
<v Sam>that, that hasn't had a new user impact. I've got a list of things to get through.

01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:29.820
<v Sam>I've got a couple bugs before I get to the next new major things that users would be able to tell.

01:47:29.940 --> 01:47:36.060
<v Sam>So I have to decide when my next social media posts and stuff to try to get more people.

01:47:36.740 --> 01:47:39.840
<v Sam>Anyway, we'll see. Anyway, robinletter.com. If you're not on it,

01:47:40.380 --> 01:47:44.880
<v Sam>hit me up in email, and I'll get you on it, because it's still an invite-only

01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:46.920
<v Sam>mode. So you can't just go to the website and sign up.

01:47:47.060 --> 01:47:51.380
<v Sam>You have to still have to talk to me or be invited by somebody who's already on it.

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<v Ivan>Invite. Invite.

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<v Sam>Invite. Anyway, that's it. Thanks, everybody, for joining us.

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<v Sam>Have a safe week, all that.

01:47:58.260 --> 01:48:02.100
<v Sam>I'm about to go to—by the time you guys listen, it'll be long over,

01:48:02.140 --> 01:48:04.840
<v Sam>but I'm about to go to the No Kings stuff.

01:48:05.100 --> 01:48:10.800
<v Sam>This is the third No Kings event, and Brandy and I are going to try to hit probably

01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:16.280
<v Sam>two or three of them in our area over the next little bit. So we'll see how

01:48:16.280 --> 01:48:17.960
<v Sam>many people they get this time.

01:48:18.120 --> 01:48:22.260
<v Sam>Honestly, the hype for this one seems to have been a bit less than last time.

01:48:22.480 --> 01:48:25.260
<v Sam>So I know they hope that these are going to be even bigger than last time,

01:48:25.340 --> 01:48:31.620
<v Sam>but I'm not sure if we'll end up there because I heard less about these in the run up.

01:48:31.900 --> 01:48:36.040
<v Sam>Like only in the last few days, it was I really aware, oh, there's one coming

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<v Sam>up this weekend. So we'll see, but I'm going to go.

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<v Sam>So that's it. Have a safe week. Have a fun week, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>and we will talk to you next time goodbye goodbye hold on the outro is not playing,

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<v Sam>okay oh wait is it going is it going yes,

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<v Sam>Okay. Thanks, Yvonne. We'll talk to you later. Have a good rest of your whatever. Bye.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Bye.

