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<v Sam>Let's make sure those thingy is in anybody.

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<v Sam>Here it goes. And I'm not going to worry about the notifications and stuff.

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<v Sam>It'll just do what it does. Shall we start?

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay, here we go. Oh, I haven't annotated the thing for you.

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<v Sam>I'll probably do it tomorrow. What? What?

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<v Sam>I'll get it done. I've been doing other stuff. Here we go.

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<v Sam>welcome to curmudgeon's corner first saturday march 7th 2026.

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<v Sam>It's just after 18 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Menter.

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<v Sam>Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello!

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<v Ivan>Sam, it's another boring week, huh?

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<v Sam>Another boring week. Yes, always.

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<v Sam>Always. You know, we do have them occasionally. Less often than we used to,

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<v Sam>but they still occasionally happen.

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<v Ivan>Okay, you might try to remind me when the fuck was the last boring week.

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<v Ivan>Because I can't remember.

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<v Sam>You know, now you're putting me on the spot.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. You know, I, I don't, I mean, I'm trying to remember. Anytime do we have, I don't, I mean.

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<v Sam>Let me see. Let me see. I'm going to look at our archives.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>And see when the last episode was,

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<v Sam>That was mostly fluff. Okay. Last week, we had the Iran war stuff.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>The week before that, we had some Epstein stuff. We had some tariff stuff.

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<v Sam>But there wasn't one big thing.

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<v Sam>Going back before that, we had Bad Bunny and some economic data stuff.

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<v Sam>But honestly, some government incompetence stuff. But honestly,

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<v Sam>it was it was an episode where we had a bunch of small little things and we

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<v Sam>didn't have a big overwhelming thing just like three weeks ago.

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<v Ivan>I guess that in my thought, that's relative.

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<v Ivan>Remember, there was a lot of controversy about Bad Bunny and they were like

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<v Ivan>ripping him and MAGA was all on flames about it and blah, blah, blah.

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<v Ivan>I guess I'm talking about this is all relative, right?

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<v Ivan>I guess relative relative to like, you know.

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<v Sam>Trump era. The week before that was all small things, too.

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<v Ivan>You know, in the Trump era, I guess that all seems minor.

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<v Ivan>Whereas I'm talking about, you know, you don't seem to remember that there were

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<v Ivan>weeks when Obama was president that we were, like, struggling to figure out

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<v Ivan>what to talk about at all.

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>You know, like, you know, there was no week when the president said something

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<v Ivan>like, I don't know, there was some truth post today about Iran.

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<v Sam>I, as usual, just woke up. So if something happened this morning,

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<v Sam>I don't know about it yet. He said something about losers.

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<v Ivan>Things. It was just so, it's just another one of those unhinged things.

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<v Ivan>posts, he was saying something about, I mean, he, let me see if I could find it real quick.

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<v Ivan>I didn't even share it. It's just, it was just so unhinged.

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<v Ivan>It's, but it was, it was about Iran.

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<v Ivan>Let me see. I don't see it right now, but he, he was saying how Iran is just

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<v Ivan>a bunch of losers and things and how we've made them,

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<v Ivan>pounded them into submission, these losers.

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<v Ivan>And, and just, it was just, it's just the post that if I took that post,

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<v Ivan>okay, out of the context of Trump and had said that George W.

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<v Ivan>Bush said something like this, he would have probably, I mean,

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<v Ivan>he might've been impeached.

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<v Ivan>He might have been. They might have gone with the 25th Amendment.

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<v Sam>Just for, like, the post.

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<v Ivan>Just for that post.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Okay, just for that post, if Obama had made that post that Trump did last night,

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<v Ivan>I think the Democrats themselves would have impeached him.

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<v Ivan>Because it's so nutty. But this is how we have normalized the insanity right now.

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<v Ivan>Because every day is like this.

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<v Sam>Okay, I found your quote for you. Okay. Okay, so this is a Donald J.

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<v Sam>Trump truth social post. I'm not going to call it a truth.

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<v Sam>It's not a truth.

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<v Ivan>You're right. That's a misnomer.

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<v Sam>Whoever took the screenshot, it says 6.11 a.m. I don't know if that's Eastern or what, but anyway.

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<v Ivan>Probably.

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<v Sam>I will read you this. Iran, which is being beat to hell, has apologized and

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<v Sam>surrendered to its Middle East neighbors.

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<v Sam>and promised that it will not shoot at them anymore.

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<v Sam>This promise was only made because of the relentless U.S. and Israeli attack.

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<v Sam>They were looking to take over and rule the Middle East.

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<v Sam>It is the first time that Iran has ever lost in thousands of years to surrounding

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<v Sam>Middle Eastern countries.

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<v Sam>They have said, thank you, President Trump. I have said, you're welcome.

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<v Sam>Iran is no longer the bully of the Middle East. They are instead the loser of

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<v Sam>the Middle East and will be for many decades until they surrender or,

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<v Sam>more likely, completely collapse.

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<v Sam>Today, Iran will be hit very hard under serious consideration for complete destruction

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<v Sam>and certain death because of Iran's bad behavior.

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<v Sam>Our areas and groups of people that were not considered for targeting up until this moment in time.

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<v Sam>Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.

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<v Ivan>I mean, this is a normal fucking 6 a.m.

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<v Ivan>post by our president that in the past, if any of them had done this and sent

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<v Ivan>out a press release saying this,

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<v Ivan>they, you know, probably his cabinet would have put him in a straitjacket and

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<v Ivan>sent them to, you know, Walter Reed and made some excuse about his health.

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<v Ivan>and said, you know, I don't know. We got to figure out something.

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<v Ivan>This guy has lost his mind.

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<v Sam>Ivan, Ivan.

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<v Ivan>That would have been the past. I mean, but wait, Sam, would that not be accurate?

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<v Sam>I think they would very, at the very least, be like sequestering him away and

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<v Sam>trying to figure out what was going on.

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<v Sam>But, you know, hear this thing. You know, this is just part of Donald Trump's

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<v Sam>charm. This is just how he is.

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<v Sam>this is this is what people elected him

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<v Sam>for because he's straight and to the point and you know tells it like it is

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<v Sam>etc etc etc right yeah you know i saw something and i guess we're dumping straight into news stuff no.

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<v Ivan>No well here's the thing.

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<v Sam>Yesterday i.

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<v Ivan>I do bring this up in part because yesterday I did go last night.

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<v Ivan>My wife had bought tickets to go see this new Disney Pixar movie called Hoppers.

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<v Sam>Hoppers? Yes. Are you going to give a review of Hoppers?

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<v Ivan>I am going to give a brief review about Hoppers.

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<v Sam>It's on my list, but obviously I have not seen it yet.

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<v Ivan>I'm not going to give away any spoilers about it.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>But I guess the one thing is the main thrust of this is a young boy who's an

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<v Ivan>activist for the green spaces in the city versus a mayor who is hell-bent on

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<v Ivan>development. That's the main thing.

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<v Ivan>And I'm going to tell you, look, it's a beautiful movie.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>I loved it. I mean, it's one of those great Pixar movies.

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<v Sam>So for a while, Pixar had a run where it was like, Pixar never does wrong.

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<v Sam>And then they had a few sort of, eh.

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<v Ivan>They were like, okay.

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<v Sam>This is back to form?

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Absolutely. A hundred percent.

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<v Ivan>And I don't want to give a spoiler, but the ending itself, in terms of our time,

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<v Ivan>because if you think about the conflict between somebody, the development and

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<v Ivan>somebody in these things is.

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<v Sam>There are parallels?

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<v Ivan>Well, no.

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<v Sam>No?

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<v Ivan>Okay. No, no, no, but it's beautiful, and sometimes you wish the world were, like,

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<v Ivan>I was in the movie, which is why I make, you know, one thing that we forget,

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<v Ivan>Hollywood made Hollywood movies because a lot of people's lives were miserable,

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<v Ivan>and it was an escape from that.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>And, oh, it's a Hollywood movie, whatever, whatever, well, you know what,

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<v Ivan>because maybe people need a fucking escape from the drudgery and misery of a

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<v Ivan>lot of shit that's going on. And that, you know what, is uplifting.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>And so the movie, look, total thumbs up. Don't miss it.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>It's really good. It is really good.

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<v Ivan>And so I thought about how uplifting the movie was, and then I think about this

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<v Ivan>asshole that we got as president, and it's like, you know, like, fuck.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>You know, fuck me. Why do we have this? It's just, I don't know.

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<v Sam>It sounds like you're having a good time.

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<v Ivan>I didn't have a good time last night going to the movies for that.

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<v Ivan>I stayed up late yesterday watching, it's the start of the Formula One season.

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<v Sam>Okay, so you were watching something live coming out of Europe or something.

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<v Ivan>Well, not Europe, Australia. It's starting in Australia.

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<v Sam>Even worse.

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<v Ivan>Which is even worse, which is the thing, right? because qualifying last night

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<v Ivan>was started at midnight, okay? All right.

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<v Ivan>You know, and so it lasted until like 1.30 in the morning.

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<v Ivan>And a race is also tonight, so it's a what-the-hell time.

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<v Ivan>I got it on my calendar. I have this thing from the F1 people that puts the

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<v Ivan>stuff in my calendar, which is very helpful, okay, especially with the different time zones and stuff.

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<v Ivan>What time does it say the race starts?

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<v Ivan>Coverage starts at 11 p.m., but I think the race officially starts at midnight. So, yeah.

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<v Ivan>So, no, I was watching that. Very excited about that. You know,

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<v Ivan>the thing is that, well, number one, this year, there's a lot of changes.

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<v Ivan>A lot of people are like, Apple TV bought the U.S.

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<v Ivan>rights to broadcast the F1 races.

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<v Ivan>Which, by the way, actually, they give you access, included with your Apple TV subscription, okay,

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<v Ivan>to the F1 official coverage, okay?

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<v Ivan>So you go to the F1 app now, which I used to have to pay for $150 extra a year,

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<v Ivan>and now I get that free of charge, okay?

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<v Ivan>So I don't have to pay. So it's good. And so Apple's doing that and providing,

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<v Ivan>like, you know, with your Apple TV subscription and watching that.

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<v Ivan>There's a lot of controversy.

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<v Ivan>A lot of people bitching and moaning. But the reality is that for a lot of people

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<v Ivan>that were really good F1 fans had both the subscription to F1 TV, okay, and to Apple TV.

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<v Ivan>So all of a sudden, I get the same shit, and I don't have to pay extra for it.

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<v Ivan>I'm sorry, but this is a massive win for me.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>Okay? The other people, I'm like, well, sorry for you, but, you know, but I'm thrilled.

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<v Ivan>So I was watching that last night, and I don't know.

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<v Ivan>But also, I have been doing all this stuff with—I've just been playing around with stuff now—,

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<v Ivan>So since I started using the Claude co-work analysis tools, because you know

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<v Ivan>one thing that we talked about, the ChatGPT isn't very good at math. Okay?

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>But Claude is. Okay? With spreadsheets and numbers and things and stuff or whatever, Claude is.

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<v Sam>Well, and that's because it's not trying to do that just with the LLM.

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<v Sam>It's using external tools that interact with the spreadsheet and know how to do math.

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<v Ivan>Exactly.

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<v Sam>You know, and this is the thing where a lot of the developments that have caused improvements,

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<v Sam>and I believe we had like a conversation like a year ago or more about how they

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<v Sam>needed to do something beyond straight LLM technology.

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<v Sam>They needed to augment it with things that knew about truth, for instance.

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<v Sam>And this is augmenting it with something that knows about spreadsheets and how to use a spreadsheet.

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<v Sam>And, you know, and a lot of the tools now also, like,

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<v Sam>even when you add, when you ask it to do something that is deterministic,

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<v Sam>will write themselves a little program to do that rather than trying to do it natively.

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<v Sam>So, like, I remember one example, it just posted within the last month or so, where,

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<v Sam>you know, I think it was ChatGPT he was playing with, but still failed this

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<v Sam>test, where they asked ChatGPT to count out loud from 1 to 100, skipping no numbers.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, yeah, that was hilarious.

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<v Sam>And it would always go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and then I will continue like that all the way to 100.

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<v Sam>and he's like no no no I want you to go all the way to 100 and no matter what

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<v Sam>he did it would still stop like that right um and but like,

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<v Sam>A lot of the more sophisticated ones now, like especially if you're in like

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<v Sam>one of the coding environments or co-work, like you said,

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<v Sam>will know to like don't just try to like spit out the LLM's response to that question,

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<v Sam>but instead recognize it as a request that you go and set off an agent to go

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<v Sam>do properly by writing a program or looking at a spreadsheet or whatever using

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<v Sam>tools that are actually meant for that task.

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<v Sam>Anyway, so your experience with it using the spreadsheets and analysis.

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<v Ivan>No, so it's allowing me to do ear,

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<v Ivan>The thing is that I find, because you know that I'm always a guy that's built

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<v Ivan>a lot of spreadsheets, numbers, things, finance, blah, blah,

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<v Ivan>blah. I always do a lot of that.

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<v Ivan>Of course, especially when I worked in finance, I had a lot more time to do

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<v Ivan>that and worked in operations.

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<v Ivan>But the thing is that I'm doing so many other things so much of the time,

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<v Ivan>I don't have the time to spend a couple of days to build a spreadsheet anymore,

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<v Ivan>to detail analysis a couple of things.

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<v Ivan>But the thing is that with using this,

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<v Ivan>I could go back to doing some of the spreadsheet shit that

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<v Ivan>I used to do and it helps me burn through it a lot faster because

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<v Ivan>a big chunk of what I used

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<v Ivan>to have to do in order to do analysis say at

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<v Ivan>work okay was extracting stuff from databases different

00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:19.480
<v Ivan>data sources whatever trying to make these data sets coherent in a certain way

00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:25.400
<v Ivan>okay to normalize the data okay so you weren't you know say for example you

00:16:25.400 --> 00:16:30.520
<v Ivan>you you you had like sales data in one format from one database,

00:16:30.540 --> 00:16:32.340
<v Ivan>and then you had activity,

00:16:32.640 --> 00:16:34.240
<v Ivan>you know, you had the sales.

00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:36.820
<v Ivan>So say you had sales, okay?

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<v Ivan>Then you had the performance of individual sales reps that was tied to that sales data, okay?

00:16:44.260 --> 00:16:48.340
<v Ivan>But they may be organized in a different way. So how do you get those two data

00:16:48.340 --> 00:16:52.520
<v Ivan>sets to not duplicate information,

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<v Ivan>but to give you basically a more rich picture of what was happening with those

00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.360
<v Ivan>accounts for example so that would take a whole bunch of work of me pulling

00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.560
<v Ivan>data for maybe two three different four different spreadsheets putting it all

00:17:03.560 --> 00:17:07.020
<v Ivan>together whatever but now i could go to shit hey claude here.

00:17:07.910 --> 00:17:11.950
<v Ivan>I got this, this, this, and this. Fucking tell me, you know,

00:17:12.310 --> 00:17:14.350
<v Ivan>integrate all of this in a coherent way and whatever.

00:17:14.570 --> 00:17:19.750
<v Ivan>And the one thing is that I keep telling it, well, I look through it and I identify,

00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:21.690
<v Ivan>well, no, no, no, you did this wrong.

00:17:22.530 --> 00:17:26.050
<v Ivan>This part, no, no, no, you missed this. No, this doesn't add up.

00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:29.750
<v Ivan>Because one thing that I've always been able to do, and it feels like it's like

00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:33.170
<v Ivan>when I had like 10 employees in finance and they did shit and they did it wrong.

00:17:33.290 --> 00:17:36.110
<v Ivan>And then I kept telling them, dude, that doesn't add up.

00:17:36.550 --> 00:17:40.830
<v Ivan>What do you mean it doesn't add up? I know how much money is supposed to be

00:17:40.830 --> 00:17:46.570
<v Ivan>in that bucket. And what you added it up to is wrong. And I just know it by looking at it.

00:17:46.810 --> 00:17:49.230
<v Ivan>And then I go, oh, yeah, you're right.

00:17:49.490 --> 00:17:52.850
<v Ivan>That is too much money. Yeah, I know how much it's supposed to be there.

00:17:52.930 --> 00:17:54.690
<v Ivan>There's no way it adds up to that much.

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<v Ivan>And it's almost the same thing as I got with Claude. Sometimes I'm like,

00:17:57.730 --> 00:18:02.090
<v Ivan>I actually was trying to do some analysis for my own sales.

00:18:02.270 --> 00:18:04.550
<v Ivan>And I'm like, that number's wrong.

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<v Ivan>And then I tell it, oh, yeah, you're right. I added it up wrong.

00:18:08.450 --> 00:18:09.130
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

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<v Ivan>So I kind of like been entertaining myself a lot with that.

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<v Sam>Okay. Very good.

00:18:16.070 --> 00:18:22.150
<v Ivan>I find it very entertaining or like doing stuff like, you know, Apple.

00:18:22.330 --> 00:18:26.370
<v Ivan>So Apple, you know, has a lot of like all this health tracking stuff.

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<v Ivan>And over the years of it, I've been using it.

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<v Ivan>And on the phone, it gives you a lot of information and richness in terms of

00:18:32.910 --> 00:18:34.750
<v Ivan>like showing you trends and things or whatever.

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<v Ivan>One thing that I'm annoyed is that Apple doesn't have the same app for the computer.

00:18:40.650 --> 00:18:41.830
<v Ivan>It's not synchronizing it.

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<v Sam>Right. There's just no fitness app or whatever. The health app is not there. They haven't made it.

00:18:48.230 --> 00:18:51.850
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's not. There's no equivalent for the Mac.

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<v Ivan>So, okay, I can look at it on my phone, which is cool, and it doesn't give me very good information.

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<v Sam>On the latest versions of Apple, you can bring up the phone app on your computer.

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<v Ivan>Right, but it's still a small window.

00:19:04.810 --> 00:19:05.530
<v Sam>It's still the phone app.

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<v Ivan>Okay?

00:19:05.890 --> 00:19:06.190
<v Sam>I know.

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<v Ivan>It's still the phone. Okay? And what I want is, no, listen, I want a health

00:19:10.670 --> 00:19:15.890
<v Ivan>app that is on the computer so I can look at this stuff in the way that it is on there, which is cool.

00:19:16.630 --> 00:19:20.450
<v Ivan>But there are some people that make tools in order to be able to extract some

00:19:20.450 --> 00:19:23.650
<v Ivan>of that information. So I had been playing with extracting it.

00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:27.070
<v Ivan>The thing is that for whatever reason, the one tool that I found,

00:19:27.670 --> 00:19:32.490
<v Ivan>it would extract every workout in every session as an individual CSV.

00:19:33.430 --> 00:19:35.330
<v Ivan>And I'm just like, oh, come on, man.

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<v Sam>Are you using the tool that I pointed you out a few months ago?

00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.520
<v Ivan>No, I've had this tool for over a year, so I'm not sure if it's one that you

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<v Ivan>pointed out a few months ago.

00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:47.880
<v Sam>Well, you know how my sense of time goes. A few months ago might be five years.

00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:51.720
<v Ivan>That's true. It may have been one that you pointed out. Okay.

00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.300
<v Ivan>So I don't remember how I stumbled on it. It may be the one you pointed out.

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<v Ivan>But the thing is, okay, great.

00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:02.620
<v Ivan>So I got, you know, 2,000 CSV files all of a sudden. Great.

00:20:02.820 --> 00:20:06.660
<v Ivan>Beautiful. I'm like, okay, I could figure out a way to merge all this data,

00:20:06.700 --> 00:20:10.000
<v Ivan>but I don't want to do this. And I'm like, and I believe, no,

00:20:10.100 --> 00:20:12.820
<v Ivan>and I had done that, but it was a pain in my ass.

00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.540
<v Ivan>But I realized, well, let me have Claude take a whack at it, okay? Well, shit.

00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:23.560
<v Ivan>Damn it. It gave me now finally what I've been looking at in order to be able

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<v Ivan>to track my fitness and my workouts in a better way that I can look at it on the computer as well.

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<v Ivan>Not just my phone, which by the way, the functionality on the phone that Apple

00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:36.080
<v Ivan>has is actually quite good because it does help me, you know,

00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:40.220
<v Ivan>visualize it like very easily on my phone. Their visuals are actually quite good.

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<v Ivan>OK, but but I but they don't they haven't made the same thing for the fucking

00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:45.840
<v Ivan>computer. It's annoying.

00:20:47.260 --> 00:20:52.660
<v Ivan>Apple, somebody fucking, you know, bring the damn health app also to the Mac.

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<v Sam>You remember how like for years they like didn't bring like stocks and weather

00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:04.810
<v Sam>or something like, or calculator wasn't on like the iPad or whatever for years.

00:21:05.270 --> 00:21:08.250
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, there was no calculator on the iPad for whatever reason.

00:21:08.650 --> 00:21:11.810
<v Sam>Yes. I mean, and yes, there were third party alternatives.

00:21:12.050 --> 00:21:14.730
<v Ivan>But it was like, just seemed like a gap. It's always there. I always remember,

00:21:14.770 --> 00:21:20.330
<v Ivan>and I loved, I remember that one time, one of the first memories that I have

00:21:20.330 --> 00:21:24.350
<v Ivan>of using a Mac was on one of the original Macs,

00:21:24.730 --> 00:21:28.990
<v Ivan>you know, black and white, using the little calculator app on that Mac.

00:21:29.310 --> 00:21:34.210
<v Ivan>And there was one time that I, funny story. I still remember this one.

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<v Sam>Funny story. Oh, prepare yourself.

00:21:36.710 --> 00:21:40.130
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, you're going to, a barrel of laughs. Not really that much.

00:21:40.230 --> 00:21:43.130
<v Ivan>But we did this talent show in high school, okay?

00:21:43.650 --> 00:21:47.630
<v Ivan>And the thing is that the judges did all this stuff on scoring.

00:21:47.930 --> 00:21:53.970
<v Ivan>And so we actually, so one of my classmates had brought his Mac.

00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:57.090
<v Ivan>I think he had a Mac plus or something like that, that they had.

00:21:57.370 --> 00:22:01.890
<v Ivan>I brought it over to the place where we held a talent show to help us with,

00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:06.590
<v Ivan>we had some, we had used it to build some like flyers, things,

00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:07.670
<v Ivan>a whole bunch of things or whatever.

00:22:07.670 --> 00:22:15.390
<v Ivan>And then we had been keeping track of, you know, all the program and things on there.

00:22:15.730 --> 00:22:19.710
<v Ivan>But then all of a sudden I realized, shit, we need to add up the scoring.

00:22:20.310 --> 00:22:25.450
<v Ivan>And so I very quickly had to wind up, like, using that calculator because we

00:22:25.450 --> 00:22:27.170
<v Ivan>didn't even have time for a spreadsheet.

00:22:27.170 --> 00:22:32.110
<v Ivan>I was just like, you know, taking the scores of the judges and then writing

00:22:32.110 --> 00:22:39.510
<v Ivan>it down, but I was like using very intensely that calculator app on the Mac on the original system,

00:22:39.670 --> 00:22:43.010
<v Ivan>which was super cool. I like that calculator app. It's very nice.

00:22:45.570 --> 00:22:47.810
<v Sam>It was a calculator.

00:22:48.710 --> 00:22:55.310
<v Ivan>Yeah. Come on. Back then, you know. Well, I'm, okay, I, look.

00:22:55.550 --> 00:22:57.110
<v Sam>You know, one of the things I saw.

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<v Ivan>I was always fascinated with the fucking adding machines.

00:23:01.250 --> 00:23:06.430
<v Ivan>And I remember that I would spend hours playing with the adding machines at our store.

00:23:06.650 --> 00:23:10.370
<v Ivan>Dad had these Olivetti ones, okay, that he had bought. And listen,

00:23:10.570 --> 00:23:14.870
<v Ivan>if you look up an Olivetti adding machine, the style of those machines back

00:23:14.870 --> 00:23:17.850
<v Ivan>in the 70s and 80s was really cool.

00:23:18.050 --> 00:23:21.950
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. They were like these digital ones with a little printer or whatever.

00:23:22.170 --> 00:23:28.050
<v Ivan>And boy, would I love to just spend a burn paper on that little thing.

00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:32.170
<v Ivan>Just, just doing, just, just typing away numbers for whatever reason.

00:23:32.310 --> 00:23:36.110
<v Ivan>With no rhyme or reason just to have the, just to have the printer just make the noise.

00:23:36.110 --> 00:23:43.190
<v Sam>I remember doing the same thing with a handheld calculator with the little red LED digits.

00:23:43.530 --> 00:23:44.330
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:44.570 --> 00:23:48.430
<v Sam>Like that I had, it was my dad's. And of course, I would steal it and play with

00:23:48.430 --> 00:23:54.010
<v Sam>it and go into a closet where it was dark. And so the lights were just done.

00:23:54.770 --> 00:23:58.670
<v Sam>I would play with the buttons. I would also sort of move it around because it

00:23:58.670 --> 00:24:00.450
<v Sam>would leave like a trail behind it.

00:24:00.450 --> 00:24:01.330
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:01.350 --> 00:24:05.290
<v Sam>You know, when you moved around. Also, I was going to say, a few days ago,

00:24:05.350 --> 00:24:09.490
<v Sam>I almost shared it on the Slack, but I didn't, and I'm sure I wouldn't be able to find it again.

00:24:09.750 --> 00:24:17.770
<v Sam>But somebody on TikTok posted, and I don't know whether it was actually an original

00:24:17.770 --> 00:24:19.770
<v Sam>or whether it was an attempted recreation.

00:24:20.810 --> 00:24:24.310
<v Sam>It seemed like it could be an original, but you never know these days.

00:24:25.110 --> 00:24:27.350
<v Sam>A commercial, a television commercial.

00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.980
<v Sam>from the 1970s for, like, a calculator.

00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:34.080
<v Ivan>Ah.

00:24:34.360 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Sam>Like, talking about all the benefits of this cool, amazing, like,

00:24:40.340 --> 00:24:43.780
<v Sam>calculator, and it was the only calculator you were ever going to need,

00:24:43.800 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Sam>and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and how compact it was.

00:24:47.080 --> 00:24:49.340
<v Sam>And, of course, it was huge, right? You know, but.

00:24:49.340 --> 00:24:55.240
<v Ivan>Of course. Look, I just on the Slack, on random, just posted a link to a calculator,

00:24:55.420 --> 00:24:58.940
<v Ivan>like the one that we had at the store, okay? By the way, used one.

00:24:59.260 --> 00:25:01.180
<v Ivan>There are vintage collectors.

00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Ivan>$170 on eBay to get one of these, like right now. Just check it out because

00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:09.520
<v Ivan>it's a really cool design that the calculator had.

00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:14.820
<v Ivan>And you go take a peek. But it was one just like that, okay,

00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:16.660
<v Ivan>that we had. I don't know if you could see it.

00:25:17.620 --> 00:25:22.780
<v Sam>I brought it up. Yes, yes. It's to describe to people because this is,

00:25:22.860 --> 00:25:24.260
<v Sam>of course, an audio show.

00:25:24.540 --> 00:25:24.940
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:25.360
<v Sam>Yes.

00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:32.300
<v Sam>It's, let's see, it looks like it's about a foot on a side, black plastic,

00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:37.780
<v Sam>really big buttons, one of those little ribbon printer things on the left,

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Sam>some ventilation holes on the right.

00:25:41.100 --> 00:25:41.300
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.340
<v Sam>Because, of course, like, you know, the calculator is going to generate lots

00:25:44.340 --> 00:25:47.420
<v Sam>of heat. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You know, et cetera.

00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:54.440
<v Sam>So it's cool. I would bring up the, if this was, I mean, I know we do have video

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.440
<v Sam>like for the live streamers, but if this was a video podcast,

00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Sam>maybe I would search for the picture of the calculator I was talking about,

00:26:01.520 --> 00:26:04.520
<v Sam>or even that video of the commercial I thought I saw.

00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:07.180
<v Sam>But no, this is an audio podcast, so I won't do that.

00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:12.360
<v Ivan>The one thing, the buttons on that machine were so, the tactile feel.

00:26:12.360 --> 00:26:17.260
<v Ivan>Like, oh, just fantastic tactile feel.

00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:24.620
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, it cannot, you know, cannot understate how cool those buttons felt, you know.

00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Ivan>And that big, you see, it's got a big ass plus button, okay?

00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.620
<v Ivan>Because back then, most of the stuff that you were doing is adding stuff real quick.

00:26:32.860 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Sam>That's why they were called adding machines, not subtraction or division machines.

00:26:36.560 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Ivan>No, it was an adding machine.

00:26:38.020 --> 00:26:40.880
<v Sam>I mean, of course, the very first adding machines could only add.

00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.220
<v Sam>but they later added other functions.

00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Ivan>But it's just so it's just so very satisfying to be hitting you know typing

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:53.760
<v Ivan>the numbers and plus plus plus plus plus plus plus I don't know okay let me.

00:26:53.760 --> 00:26:55.260
<v Sam>Let me bang out my two movies,

00:26:56.230 --> 00:26:59.930
<v Sam>Not in the movies. Yes. We're already almost half an hour in.

00:27:00.010 --> 00:27:02.550
<v Sam>So let's do this. Okay, number one.

00:27:02.550 --> 00:27:02.750
<v Ivan>Right.

00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:04.070
<v Sam>From 2020.

00:27:04.290 --> 00:27:06.510
<v Ivan>We're already getting one movie. So we're going to three movies.

00:27:06.690 --> 00:27:08.610
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. Three movies. Amazing.

00:27:08.770 --> 00:27:08.930
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:14.650
<v Sam>I mean, one of them was you, which is fair. Fair. Absolutely fair. Fair. Okay.

00:27:16.290 --> 00:27:20.750
<v Sam>I was going to say yesterday. Last week, we did a video game movie,

00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:23.170
<v Sam>Minecraft. We both liked it. Thumbs up.

00:27:23.210 --> 00:27:23.970
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes.

00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:29.590
<v Sam>This next one for me is another video game movie from 2023. It's the Super Mario Bros. movie.

00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:36.950
<v Sam>And surprisingly, this is another thumbs up. I enjoyed this movie as well.

00:27:37.710 --> 00:27:43.710
<v Sam>Folks may remember there were like Mario movies made and Mario cartoons like

00:27:43.710 --> 00:27:49.450
<v Sam>a few decades ago that I have not seen, but from all reports were bad.

00:27:49.450 --> 00:27:54.890
<v Sam>It was like a live-action Mario, and they did something. I don't know.

00:27:55.530 --> 00:27:59.910
<v Sam>But no, this is fully, like, you know, it's animated.

00:28:01.230 --> 00:28:08.590
<v Sam>And it doesn't—one of the things that people have praised about it is— and actually

00:28:08.590 --> 00:28:11.170
<v Sam>different from what the Minecraft movie did.

00:28:12.070 --> 00:28:16.550
<v Sam>Well, I don't know. There's some similarities. Anyway, they didn't try to do

00:28:16.550 --> 00:28:20.390
<v Sam>the thing where, okay, these characters are in the real world,

00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:25.990
<v Sam>and now we're going to do something with them, and it's going to be like, you know—.

00:28:28.010 --> 00:28:31.590
<v Sam>Use some of the characters, but very, very different from the video games.

00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:36.710
<v Sam>Instead, they like are continuously reproducing elements from the video games.

00:28:36.870 --> 00:28:40.950
<v Sam>And like the characters are doing things they do in the video games and such.

00:28:41.170 --> 00:28:44.190
<v Sam>Let me give you the first couple of paragraphs as usual.

00:28:45.410 --> 00:28:48.990
<v Sam>Italian American, from Wikipedia, Italian American brothers,

00:28:49.150 --> 00:28:54.130
<v Sam>Mario and Luigi operate a struggling plumbing business in Brooklyn to the derision

00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:56.890
<v Sam>of their ex-formin Spike and the disapproval of their father.

00:28:57.190 --> 00:29:01.470
<v Sam>After seeing a significant water main leak on the news, Mario and Luigi go underground

00:29:01.470 --> 00:29:05.170
<v Sam>to fix it, but are sucked into a warp pipe and separated.

00:29:06.110 --> 00:29:11.150
<v Sam>So it does start in Brooklyn, but it's still animated. It's not like humans or whatever.

00:29:12.070 --> 00:29:15.450
<v Sam>Mario lands in the Mushroom Kingdom, ruled by Princess Peach,

00:29:15.670 --> 00:29:19.810
<v Sam>where Luigi arrives in the Darklands, ruled by the evil Koopa King Bowser,

00:29:20.150 --> 00:29:25.610
<v Sam>who seeks to marry Peach and will destroy the Mushroom Kingdom using a superstar if she refuses.

00:29:26.370 --> 00:29:30.790
<v Sam>Seeing Mario as competition for Peach's love, Bowser imprisons Luigi to threaten

00:29:30.790 --> 00:29:34.210
<v Sam>him. Mario meets Toad, who takes him to Peach.

00:29:34.550 --> 00:29:38.970
<v Sam>Peach plans to ally with the primate Kongs to help repel Bowser,

00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:42.630
<v Sam>and trains Mario before allowing him and Toad to travel along.

00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:46.450
<v Sam>During their journey, she tells Mario that she ended up at the Mushroom Kingdom

00:29:46.450 --> 00:29:50.550
<v Sam>as a baby, where the Toads took her in and eventually made her their leader.

00:29:51.250 --> 00:29:56.930
<v Sam>In the Jungle Kingdom, King Cranky Kong agrees to help if Mario defeats his

00:29:56.930 --> 00:29:59.390
<v Sam>son, Donkey Kong, in a fight.

00:29:59.710 --> 00:30:02.850
<v Sam>Despite initially being overpowered by Donkey Kong's strength,

00:30:03.070 --> 00:30:04.790
<v Sam>Mario defeats him using a cat suit.

00:30:05.070 --> 00:30:08.630
<v Sam>Dot, dot, dot. It continues. They go through multiple adventures.

00:30:08.930 --> 00:30:12.690
<v Sam>Anyway, it does not take itself seriously. It is like,

00:30:13.150 --> 00:30:17.910
<v Sam>You know, it knows we're talking about cartoon video game characters and it

00:30:17.910 --> 00:30:21.450
<v Sam>leans into that and it's done well. And I had fun.

00:30:21.590 --> 00:30:26.950
<v Sam>And I guess that's the that's the bottom line for it. I mean, this is not a deep movie.

00:30:27.370 --> 00:30:30.930
<v Sam>It is a Super Mario Brothers movie. It is animated.

00:30:30.990 --> 00:30:36.050
<v Ivan>It is. It is shallow. I mean, this is like this.

00:30:36.890 --> 00:30:41.270
<v Ivan>This this is that doesn't even qualify as a shallow pool or pond.

00:30:41.550 --> 00:30:42.770
<v Ivan>It's not even a kiddie pool.

00:30:43.970 --> 00:30:49.590
<v Sam>I don't know if I go that far, but it doesn't attempt to be like it doesn't. No, no, no.

00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:55.450
<v Sam>It is an unabashed video game movie that leans into that 100%.

00:30:56.070 --> 00:31:00.370
<v Sam>It is made as a family movie. So the adults are going to enjoy it too.

00:31:00.510 --> 00:31:04.590
<v Sam>Especially adults who have nostalgia for Nintendo stuff from decades ago.

00:31:04.910 --> 00:31:07.570
<v Sam>And I, you know, when I was a kid, I never had a Nintendo.

00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:12.650
<v Sam>You know, I, I, the first time I played like an actual Mario game,

00:31:12.770 --> 00:31:14.790
<v Sam>I was already an adult, right?

00:31:15.010 --> 00:31:20.130
<v Sam>You know, I had other stuff. I was like on the VIC-20, Commodore 64,

00:31:20.690 --> 00:31:26.830
<v Sam>and then briefly DOS, and then Mac. You know, I never had consoles.

00:31:26.830 --> 00:31:32.530
<v Ivan>By the way, I am also one that did not have a Nintendo. I had a Sega.

00:31:33.090 --> 00:31:34.050
<v Sam>Okay, yeah.

00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:36.930
<v Ivan>So I played Sonic. Right.

00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:40.980
<v Sam>Yeah so anyway it did

00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:46.020
<v Sam>well there's going to be a sequel it actually won a a few awards i mean we're

00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:51.260
<v Sam>not talking like i would make sure before i say this we're not talking to us

00:31:51.260 --> 00:31:57.620
<v Sam>picture best well it was it was nominated for a golden golden globe for best

00:31:57.620 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Sam>animated feature you know so that's.

00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.380
<v Ivan>I thought that's that's a fair award yeah yeah.

00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:10.120
<v Sam>So you know so anyway and a bunch of others Anyway, fun, lighthearted movie,

00:32:10.860 --> 00:32:16.820
<v Sam>nostalgia bait for Nintendo fans, done well, et cetera. Thumbs up.

00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:18.220
<v Ivan>Thumbs up!

00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Sam>Next up, The Dark Knight Rises from 2012.

00:32:25.300 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Ivan>Another movie that I didn't see. This is one of those where they,

00:32:29.820 --> 00:32:36.540
<v Ivan>I gotta tell you, this entire thing with Batman making, I don't know how many

00:32:36.540 --> 00:32:39.280
<v Ivan>fucking versions of the stupid thing.

00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Sam>Well, they just reboot it every 15 years or something.

00:32:43.060 --> 00:32:47.620
<v Ivan>15? It seems like they rebooted it every five years. It's so fucking confusing.

00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:52.520
<v Ivan>I mean, like, none of the timelines align. They change all the actors.

00:32:52.780 --> 00:32:54.180
<v Ivan>I'm like, just, you know what?

00:32:54.840 --> 00:32:56.840
<v Ivan>I get, at what point I'm like, just fuck.

00:32:57.660 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Ivan>I'm like, fuck Batman.

00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:00.380
<v Sam>Okay.

00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Ivan>That's my analysis.

00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.420
<v Sam>Let me see how often these actually are. So live action.

00:33:07.420 --> 00:33:11.120
<v Ivan>Look how many Bat- Listen, go back and count.

00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:14.460
<v Sam>How many Batmans- I am doing that right now, okay?

00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:15.560
<v Ivan>Okay, all right, all right.

00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:20.940
<v Sam>And you said every five years. So live action films. So we're excluding TV for the moment.

00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Sam>We're excluding whatever, old serials, things like that. Okay, okay.

00:33:27.510 --> 00:33:31.650
<v Sam>The one that was based on the TV show, the Batman movie in 1966.

00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:32.890
<v Ivan>Okay?

00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:38.010
<v Sam>That was actually, it was essentially an extended episode of the Batman TV series

00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:41.270
<v Sam>set between two of the seasons of the Batman TV series.

00:33:41.390 --> 00:33:43.430
<v Sam>But there was the Batman movie in 1966.

00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:48.010
<v Sam>The next Batman was 1989.

00:33:48.730 --> 00:33:54.870
<v Sam>That was the Tim Burton one with Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton, okay? Okay.

00:33:55.070 --> 00:34:04.150
<v Sam>Now, in that sequence, you had 1992, Batman Returns, and 1995, Batman Forever.

00:34:04.870 --> 00:34:12.330
<v Sam>And then finally, 1997, Batman and Robin, which completely killed off that sequence

00:34:12.330 --> 00:34:15.290
<v Sam>of Batman. because it was really bad, apparently.

00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:21.130
<v Sam>Okay, so that sequence was the first, well, second.

00:34:21.290 --> 00:34:27.790
<v Sam>So we added the 1966 version, then we added the 1992 through 1997 version. So that's two so far.

00:34:27.910 --> 00:34:33.930
<v Sam>Now that's a total of six movies, but only two iterations.

00:34:34.470 --> 00:34:35.730
<v Ivan>Two iterations, okay.

00:34:35.930 --> 00:34:39.790
<v Sam>Two iterations, let's see. Fourth and final, yeah, okay.

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:43.990
<v Sam>Oh, sorry, I counted wrong. That's four. Four plus the one. So four in that sequence.

00:34:44.270 --> 00:34:51.510
<v Sam>Okay. The next, now we have related things. Like there was a Catwoman movie in 2004. Okay.

00:34:52.430 --> 00:35:01.910
<v Sam>But then in 2005 was the reboot that started the sequence that the one I'm talking

00:35:01.910 --> 00:35:04.710
<v Sam>about is in, I believe, wait,

00:35:06.010 --> 00:35:08.030
<v Sam>the Christopher Nolan version.

00:35:08.890 --> 00:35:15.390
<v Sam>Okay, so this starts in 2005 with Batman Begins. Okay, so just to be clear, from...

00:35:16.560 --> 00:35:25.500
<v Sam>The end of the last series to this one was, do my math, eight years? Eight years.

00:35:25.640 --> 00:35:34.180
<v Ivan>Okay. Listen, I went and asked GPT for a list because otherwise we'll kill the

00:35:34.180 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Ivan>rest of the audience at this point.

00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:35.700
<v Sam>Okay, fine.

00:35:35.720 --> 00:35:37.300
<v Ivan>But look, I went. Hang on.

00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:37.820
<v Sam>Yeah, okay.

00:35:38.040 --> 00:35:46.120
<v Ivan>There's been a total of nine different Batmans, okay, since the first fucking movie. Okay? All right?

00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Ivan>And I'm going to go back to just, you know, 1990, when we had 1989,

00:35:52.700 --> 00:35:54.860
<v Ivan>we had Michael Keaton as Batman.

00:35:55.160 --> 00:35:59.140
<v Ivan>I'm not counting the ones before that. But since 1990, okay,

00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:01.060
<v Ivan>there's been six movies.

00:36:01.810 --> 00:36:07.530
<v Ivan>Michael Keaton, Vol Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale, Ben Affleck,

00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:10.230
<v Ivan>and Robert Pattinson. Listen, I don't understand.

00:36:11.870 --> 00:36:14.970
<v Sam>And you're right. Some of those were in the same sequence, right?

00:36:15.110 --> 00:36:19.650
<v Sam>Like I mentioned Batman and Robin, I believe, was like the George Clooney one.

00:36:20.250 --> 00:36:25.770
<v Sam>Right. And that was actually the fourth movie of the sequence that started with Michael Keaton.

00:36:25.950 --> 00:36:29.670
<v Sam>And they were theoretically the same universe, but they did change actors.

00:36:29.910 --> 00:36:36.730
<v Ivan>But here's the fucking thing, man. I mean, there is no other fucking movie goddamn

00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:42.670
<v Ivan>series that has fucking changed the main character of Batman,

00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:45.990
<v Ivan>you know, main character that fucking often.

00:36:46.370 --> 00:36:55.750
<v Ivan>It's crazy. Okay. Listen, Daniel Craig played James Bond for 20 years. Okay.

00:36:56.310 --> 00:37:01.250
<v Ivan>Over that same time period, there were five Batmans. Five.

00:37:02.250 --> 00:37:06.210
<v Sam>What the fuck man no fuck.

00:37:06.210 --> 00:37:08.330
<v Ivan>Them you fight batmans.

00:37:08.330 --> 00:37:12.970
<v Sam>I think it does make more sense like the one where you sort of theoretically

00:37:12.970 --> 00:37:17.310
<v Sam>have the same sequence but you change the actors it's kind of goofy if you reboot

00:37:17.310 --> 00:37:20.550
<v Sam>the whole thing with a new actor that's all that's another story okay you're

00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:24.330
<v Sam>doing the new reboot for this decade right i'm okay with that but but.

00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:31.550
<v Ivan>I mean, six versions in that time?

00:37:31.710 --> 00:37:35.410
<v Ivan>I mean, literally, what are we doing? Barely five years per Batman.

00:37:36.010 --> 00:37:41.110
<v Sam>Well, again, though, if you treat it not as by actor, but by sequence,

00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:47.170
<v Sam>we've got the 1960s version, we've got the 1990s version, and we've got the early 2000s version,

00:37:47.370 --> 00:37:52.070
<v Sam>and then we've got a later 2000s version. So it's really four.

00:37:53.290 --> 00:37:56.750
<v Ivan>Here's the one thing for me who is a casual guy with these movies,

00:37:56.910 --> 00:38:01.010
<v Ivan>okay? Every fucking time I would go and see, oh, there's a Batman.

00:38:01.350 --> 00:38:07.370
<v Ivan>And then I look at it and I'm like, but wait, what happened with the old Batman? Wait, so...

00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:13.370
<v Ivan>Wait, again, we're rebooting again? And I'm like, wait, what does this timeline

00:38:13.370 --> 00:38:14.450
<v Ivan>have to do with the old time?

00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:18.970
<v Ivan>It, honestly, to me, confused the fuck out of me regularly.

00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:23.970
<v Sam>Now, I tend to generally agree with you on lots of things that I like the ones

00:38:23.970 --> 00:38:28.730
<v Sam>where it's continuations of the universe rather than flat-out reboots better.

00:38:29.370 --> 00:38:34.730
<v Sam>But, yeah, I don't know. I guess as long as they're sort of clear about it,

00:38:35.370 --> 00:38:41.850
<v Sam>like the the 1990s Batman sequence is not the same universe as the 2000s Batman

00:38:41.850 --> 00:38:44.830
<v Sam>universe is not the same as the 2020s Batman.

00:38:45.110 --> 00:38:47.910
<v Sam>No, no. So, I don't know.

00:38:48.050 --> 00:38:57.010
<v Sam>So, anyway, to get back to my movie, my movie is the Dark Knight Rises,

00:38:57.530 --> 00:39:06.890
<v Sam>which is the third movie, I believe, in this trilogy. Okay.

00:39:07.670 --> 00:39:10.810
<v Sam>Let me make sure. Okay.

00:39:10.810 --> 00:39:18.110
<v Sam>The Dark Knight Trilogy starts with Batman Begins in 2005, then The Dark Knight in 2008,

00:39:18.310 --> 00:39:24.470
<v Sam>and finally ends in The Dark Knight Rises in 2012, which is the one that I am

00:39:24.470 --> 00:39:25.850
<v Sam>talking about right now.

00:39:26.910 --> 00:39:28.330
<v Sam>Okay, so...

00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Sam>So I'm going to give this one the, you know, as we've talked about more granularity,

00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.080
<v Sam>between a thumb sideways and a thumbs up, okay?

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.600
<v Sam>And let me give you the beginning of the plot on this one as well.

00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Sam>Bain, a former—I'm all blubbery today.

00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Sam>Bain, a former member of the League of Shadows, leads an attack on a CIA plane

00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:59.340
<v Sam>over Uzbekistan to abduct nuclear physicist Dr. Leonard Pavel.

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:04.520
<v Sam>Meanwhile, eight years after the death of Gotham City Attorney Harvey Dent and

00:40:04.520 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Sam>the arrest of the Joker, organized crime has been eradicated in Gotham by the

00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.700
<v Sam>Dent Act, legislation that gives expanded powers to the police.

00:40:14.140 --> 00:40:18.620
<v Sam>Police Commissioner James Gordon has kept Dent's killing spree a secret,

00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.460
<v Sam>and allowed the blame for his crimes to fall on Batman.

00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.780
<v Sam>Bruce Wayne, still mourning the death of Rachel Dawes, has become a recluse.

00:40:29.070 --> 00:40:33.790
<v Sam>Bane conspires to help Wayne Enterprises board member John Daggett take over

00:40:33.790 --> 00:40:36.930
<v Sam>the company, and they begin by trying to buy Bruce's fingerprints.

00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:42.230
<v Sam>Burglar Selina Kyle steals Bruce's prints from Wayne Manor for Daggett,

00:40:42.330 --> 00:40:45.130
<v Sam>but he double-crosses her and she alerts the police.

00:40:45.750 --> 00:40:50.830
<v Sam>Bane's henchmen capture Gotham in the sewer—sorry, capture Gordon in the sewers,

00:40:50.910 --> 00:40:55.590
<v Sam>but he escapes and is found by steadfast Gotham City police officer John Blake,

00:40:55.590 --> 00:40:58.970
<v Sam>an orphan who has deduced Bruce's secret identity.

00:40:59.410 --> 00:41:02.630
<v Sam>Blake persuades Bruce to resume his vigilantism.

00:41:03.330 --> 00:41:09.050
<v Sam>Bain attacks the Gotham Stock Exchange and uses Bruce's fingerprints to verify

00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:13.130
<v Sam>fraudulent transactions, leaving Bruce ousted from his company and bankrupt.

00:41:13.830 --> 00:41:17.190
<v Sam>Fearing Bruce will purposefully get himself killed fighting Bain,

00:41:17.370 --> 00:41:22.450
<v Sam>his butler, Alfred Pennyworth, resigns in the hope of saving him after revealing

00:41:22.450 --> 00:41:26.790
<v Sam>that Rachel was going to marry Dent and thus Bruce should let her go.

00:41:27.390 --> 00:41:31.710
<v Sam>Bane kills Daggett to pursue his own goals while Bruce and Wayne Enterprises'

00:41:31.910 --> 00:41:35.870
<v Sam>new CEO, Miranda Tate, become lovers. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

00:41:36.530 --> 00:41:39.790
<v Sam>And it continues. There are adventures. There are battles. There are all those

00:41:39.790 --> 00:41:42.450
<v Sam>things that happen in your normal superhero movie.

00:41:42.890 --> 00:41:48.690
<v Sam>But I think, you know, last week we talked about Blade II and how it was just

00:41:48.690 --> 00:41:53.250
<v Sam>nothing but, you know, action sequence to action sequence to action sequence

00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:57.490
<v Sam>with blood and gore and things happening and gross-out stuff,

00:41:57.670 --> 00:42:00.250
<v Sam>and I was not impressed at all by that.

00:42:00.790 --> 00:42:04.930
<v Sam>This was a good superhero movie. I enjoyed it. I had fun.

00:42:05.090 --> 00:42:09.030
<v Sam>I mean, it's still just a superhero movie, but it was fun. I enjoyed it.

00:42:09.170 --> 00:42:10.890
<v Sam>And there we go. We're done.

00:42:11.330 --> 00:42:12.910
<v Ivan>Okay, we're done with superheroes.

00:42:13.210 --> 00:42:17.010
<v Sam>And let's move on. Once again. I owe everybody an Apple dream.

00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:17.590
<v Ivan>Fuck Batman.

00:42:18.330 --> 00:42:23.990
<v Sam>Yeah, fuck Batman. Gotcha. I understand that he's well-built and attractive,

00:42:24.010 --> 00:42:26.990
<v Sam>but I do not personally want to do that. But you can.

00:42:27.390 --> 00:42:32.390
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I will avoid that as well. You know, the other day I realized, you know,

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:40.810
<v Ivan>Sam, there's one thing. Look, I have a lot of, I have, I don't know,

00:42:40.810 --> 00:42:43.110
<v Ivan>I have gay friends, whatever.

00:42:43.390 --> 00:42:46.530
<v Ivan>But you know what? I don't find men attractive. There's just nothing.

00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:49.470
<v Ivan>I mean, there's nothing. Not, I mean, I.

00:42:49.490 --> 00:42:54.510
<v Sam>I, I, I am offended, Yvonne. Look at me. Look at me.

00:42:55.230 --> 00:42:55.950
<v Ivan>An Adonis.

00:42:57.390 --> 00:42:57.750
<v Sam>Exactly.

00:42:58.250 --> 00:43:01.650
<v Ivan>You're an Adonis, Sam. You're an Adonis. I, I, you know, look,

00:43:01.770 --> 00:43:05.410
<v Ivan>I get, I get, I get, like, for example, I, I mean, I can understand to see somebody,

00:43:05.550 --> 00:43:08.270
<v Ivan>a guy that looks very attractive.

00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:14.250
<v Ivan>I can see how that guy, that guy's attractive. But am I, do I find him attractive? Nah.

00:43:15.190 --> 00:43:15.550
<v Sam>Okay.

00:43:15.870 --> 00:43:17.370
<v Ivan>No. Not in me.

00:43:17.370 --> 00:43:25.790
<v Sam>Not my thing not your thing so you don't really want to fuck Batman no.

00:43:25.790 --> 00:43:27.830
<v Ivan>Or Corey Lewandowski for that matter.

00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:34.290
<v Sam>Okay well with that transition let's take a break I owe you guys an Apple dream

00:43:34.290 --> 00:43:39.050
<v Sam>it was supposed to be last week and I said I'd do it this week and I still didn't

00:43:39.050 --> 00:43:46.510
<v Sam>do it so no Apple dream this week maybe next week but in the meantime here is the other,

00:43:46.870 --> 00:43:49.910
<v Sam>here's another one of our breaks, and we'll be back and we'll talk about,

00:43:50.150 --> 00:43:57.530
<v Sam>I don't know, Iran or the economy or MAGA fracturing or something.

00:43:57.850 --> 00:44:01.990
<v Sam>The primary elections, we had primary elections. We'll talk about something after this.

00:44:02.650 --> 00:44:02.870
<v Ivan>Something.

00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.580
<v Sam>Kachoo. Kachoo. Kachoo.

00:44:49.180 --> 00:44:51.380
<v Ivan>Kachoo. Kachoo.

00:44:51.540 --> 00:44:51.820
<v Sam>All right.

00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Ivan>So I got to pick something. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.

00:44:59.540 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Ivan>Okay. So let's see.

00:45:03.340 --> 00:45:08.420
<v Ivan>I got primary election results.

00:45:08.660 --> 00:45:14.040
<v Ivan>Sam, I don't I didn't really pay close. I didn't pay very close attention to

00:45:14.040 --> 00:45:20.560
<v Ivan>those. I know a little bit, but can you fill us in on what happened with all

00:45:20.560 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Ivan>those primary elections that we had this week?

00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:23.680
<v Sam>No.

00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:27.600
<v Ivan>No? Okay. All right, then. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.

00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.600
<v Ivan>See ya. So what do you know about it?

00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:37.180
<v Sam>I wasn't prepared. I don't have like a nice, neat little summary of everything that happened.

00:45:37.340 --> 00:45:42.200
<v Ivan>Well, what do you know then? Which is probably more than what I do.

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.980
<v Sam>Here are some high-level summaries that I can say.

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:59.380
<v Sam>First of all, the big Democratic primary in Texas, the moderate-ish guy, his name starts with a T.

00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Ivan>Tallarico.

00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.060
<v Sam>Tallarico.

00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Ivan>That I know. Tallarico.

00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Sam>He won over Jasmine Crockett.

00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.180
<v Ivan>Why are so many people seemingly angry about this whole thing?

00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:19.990
<v Sam>There are a couple things. One, this is an example of the quote-unquote centrist

00:46:19.990 --> 00:46:24.810
<v Sam>winning where people were hoping to give the progressive a chance,

00:46:25.070 --> 00:46:30.030
<v Sam>where progressives were hoping to give the progressive a chance, just to be clear there.

00:46:30.170 --> 00:46:34.170
<v Sam>And they were kind of excited about her and thought she had a shot, etc.

00:46:34.510 --> 00:46:38.730
<v Sam>Even though polling sort of says that in Texas, the moderate is more likely

00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:41.790
<v Sam>to win in the general election. Surprise.

00:46:42.150 --> 00:46:42.350
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:46:42.790 --> 00:46:47.330
<v Sam>Surprise. But they figured, you know, I don't know. They were excited about that.

00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:53.330
<v Sam>They were also really upset about this thing that happened in Dallas County where...

00:46:53.330 --> 00:46:55.650
<v Ivan>Oh, well, I did hear a little bit about that.

00:46:55.850 --> 00:47:01.670
<v Sam>So there was Dallas County, and this is apparently a county by county thing in Texas,

00:47:01.670 --> 00:47:11.530
<v Sam>but the Republicans refused to cooperate on allowing people to vote anywhere in the county.

00:47:11.530 --> 00:47:17.030
<v Sam>and forced a situation where people would have to vote within their own precinct.

00:47:17.710 --> 00:47:19.910
<v Sam>Okay. This caused a- Oh.

00:47:19.910 --> 00:47:24.530
<v Ivan>You know, I, I, yeah, I was, I did see that. And I was just discussing that

00:47:24.530 --> 00:47:27.170
<v Ivan>with my wife because my wife usually works elections over here.

00:47:27.170 --> 00:47:27.390
<v Sam>Yes.

00:47:27.810 --> 00:47:30.870
<v Ivan>And I, and I, you know, I, I told her about this.

00:47:31.310 --> 00:47:36.850
<v Ivan>That is one of those changes that is so insane to do. Okay.

00:47:37.250 --> 00:47:40.050
<v Ivan>Because of the confusion. Okay.

00:47:40.050 --> 00:47:44.090
<v Sam>Well, and especially because it was a change. Like, if it had been that way

00:47:44.090 --> 00:47:46.510
<v Sam>forever, then people would be used to it, right?

00:47:46.910 --> 00:47:52.110
<v Sam>But last election, people could go anywhere in the county to vote that was convenient.

00:47:52.110 --> 00:47:54.090
<v Sam>And now they had to go to their precinct.

00:47:54.170 --> 00:47:57.090
<v Ivan>But here's the funny thing about all of these changes.

00:47:57.870 --> 00:48:03.270
<v Ivan>You know, I think the Republicans keep making a lot of these changes in the

00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:06.410
<v Ivan>idea that for some reason they think that it will...

00:48:08.050 --> 00:48:12.890
<v Ivan>But I'm going to tell you something. We keep seeing that Republicans are,

00:48:13.210 --> 00:48:18.370
<v Ivan>with everything going on, their motivation level has been dampened.

00:48:19.290 --> 00:48:24.550
<v Ivan>And I happen to think that this kind of shit, when you do this,

00:48:24.710 --> 00:48:29.050
<v Ivan>and your emotions are already dampened to go vote,

00:48:29.650 --> 00:48:33.390
<v Ivan>you know, as a Democrat, you'll probably get even more furious and go,

00:48:33.470 --> 00:48:34.910
<v Ivan>the Republicans are like, ah, fuck it.

00:48:34.910 --> 00:48:42.410
<v Ivan>But I don't, this is not, I don't think, this is stupid.

00:48:42.870 --> 00:48:46.970
<v Sam>Right. So anyway, they did this. And so lots and lots of people were confused.

00:48:47.210 --> 00:48:50.750
<v Sam>They would show up at one place to vote, be told they couldn't vote there,

00:48:50.970 --> 00:48:55.570
<v Sam>be told you have to go across town to this one that's near where you live instead

00:48:55.570 --> 00:48:57.930
<v Sam>of the one you went to near where you work or whatever.

00:48:58.330 --> 00:49:01.590
<v Sam>And it's probably less convenient and blah, blah, blah. Some of them would give

00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:05.210
<v Sam>up at that point immediately. Some of them would have to do it, but do it later.

00:49:05.470 --> 00:49:10.210
<v Sam>And that's where the next thing comes in, is because as polls were closing.

00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:14.550
<v Sam>There was, you know, somebody went to a judge and said, hey,

00:49:14.770 --> 00:49:17.070
<v Sam>because of all this confusion, we need more time.

00:49:17.450 --> 00:49:23.030
<v Sam>A judge granted them more time, allowed the polls to stay open extra hours.

00:49:23.330 --> 00:49:26.310
<v Sam>Like they were supposed to close at seven and he allowed them to stay open till

00:49:26.310 --> 00:49:28.490
<v Sam>nine, something like that. I forget the exact details.

00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:32.950
<v Sam>So more people were voting from seven to nine in this county.

00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:38.510
<v Sam>And then that was appealed by the attorney general, who, by the way,

00:49:38.590 --> 00:49:43.690
<v Sam>was on the ballot. So this affects his own election to the Texas Supreme Court,

00:49:43.690 --> 00:49:47.130
<v Sam>who ruled, no, no, no, that extension was invalid.

00:49:47.390 --> 00:49:52.070
<v Sam>So a bunch of people actually did vote from seven to nine. And then the judge

00:49:52.070 --> 00:49:53.610
<v Sam>ruled that their votes can't count.

00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:00.500
<v Sam>And then that was still being appealed. And this was an area where Crockett

00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Sam>was expected to be strong. Okay.

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:08.980
<v Sam>So you're theoretically disenfranchising Crockett voters through this action.

00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Sam>And so a lot of Crockett supporters were really upset by this on top of the

00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.440
<v Sam>fact that, you know, they're just disappointed in general and wanted her to win. Right.

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Sam>Crockett didn't concede the night of because these lawsuits were going on,

00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Sam>but did concede the next morning when it became clear that there just weren't

00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.680
<v Sam>enough votes in this county to make a difference.

00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:34.080
<v Sam>Like she lost by a decent amount.

00:50:34.460 --> 00:50:37.640
<v Sam>Like, I think it was like an eight point spread or something like that.

00:50:37.640 --> 00:50:43.620
<v Sam>And so she could not make up that ground based on whatever happens on the county

00:50:43.620 --> 00:50:46.160
<v Sam>and whether or not they allowed the votes for these two hours.

00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.180
<v Sam>Now, they're still going through the process to try to litigate the basic principle

00:50:51.180 --> 00:50:52.680
<v Sam>of, like, you should count every vote.

00:50:52.900 --> 00:50:57.620
<v Sam>You let these people vote. You should actually count them. You shouldn't just,

00:50:57.620 --> 00:51:00.180
<v Sam>like, shove them in a box to the side, right?

00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:03.420
<v Sam>You count the votes. But it's not going to make a difference in the race.

00:51:03.980 --> 00:51:08.460
<v Sam>and and so she lost the other guy whose name i've already forgotten again at

00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:14.460
<v Sam>one talarico talarico i keep you know i keep thinking of other t names but not

00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:20.440
<v Sam>that one tal talarico talarico talarico okay anyway yeah.

00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.900
<v Ivan>I'm saying it i don't know why you know i'm doing this thing where i'm like you know.

00:51:25.640 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Sam>People on the left are also uncomfortable with how much he is wearing his religion on his sleeves.

00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:42.120
<v Sam>Like he's taking democratic positions, but he's doing it from a religious point of view.

00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:47.500
<v Sam>He expresses himself as an evangelical, even though he doesn't agree with all

00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:49.100
<v Sam>the right wing evangelical positions.

00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:53.220
<v Sam>And so that makes people a little bit nervous about like, is he going to be

00:51:53.220 --> 00:51:59.780
<v Sam>the kind of guy that you get him in office and then he moves Republican anyway,

00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:03.980
<v Sam>like, and sort of does, doesn't play along with the Democrats a lot.

00:52:03.980 --> 00:52:08.060
<v Sam>So they're worried about that kind of stuff, you know? So we'll see.

00:52:08.200 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Sam>But at the same time, it's Texas.

00:52:11.580 --> 00:52:12.060
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:17.100
<v Sam>You know, how do you, how do you appeal to the potential people who are dissatisfied

00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:22.080
<v Sam>with Donald Trump, but don't like the normal Democrats, you know?

00:52:22.080 --> 00:52:27.840
<v Ivan>You know, one thing is that I know plenty of people that are deeply religious,

00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Ivan>but are also very liberal.

00:52:29.620 --> 00:52:30.200
<v Sam>Yes.

00:52:31.050 --> 00:52:36.150
<v Sam>And there's not a straight, like, you're religious, therefore you're conservative.

00:52:36.330 --> 00:52:40.690
<v Sam>It's certain types of religion that go along with the conservatism.

00:52:40.910 --> 00:52:47.070
<v Ivan>I mean, look, even with Catholics, which the whole abortion thing is an issue.

00:52:47.490 --> 00:52:47.650
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:52:47.810 --> 00:52:52.310
<v Ivan>Man, let me tell you something. Some of the most liberal people I've ever met,

00:52:52.630 --> 00:52:56.930
<v Ivan>I mean, like, extremely, are fucking Catholics.

00:52:57.550 --> 00:53:01.070
<v Ivan>That'll make some people that we think are liberal look like just fucking,

00:53:01.070 --> 00:53:04.890
<v Ivan>you know, you know, complete, you know, capitalists.

00:53:05.450 --> 00:53:07.450
<v Ivan>So, I mean, there's the whole.

00:53:07.730 --> 00:53:12.710
<v Sam>Like, in the 70s and 80s, there was this whole Catholic liberation theology thing going on.

00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:16.330
<v Ivan>Liberation theologists, exactly. Those people I'm referring to, yes.

00:53:16.330 --> 00:53:20.290
<v Sam>And, you know, people have said all the time that, like, if you actually,

00:53:20.310 --> 00:53:25.670
<v Sam>like, read the Bible in the New Testament as opposed to the Old Testament,

00:53:25.890 --> 00:53:30.290
<v Sam>it's fairly radical liberal ideas all through that thing.

00:53:30.810 --> 00:53:34.310
<v Ivan>Yes. Well, I mean, that is the reality. And that's one of the things that,

00:53:34.470 --> 00:53:39.130
<v Ivan>you know, because I did I did spend a lot of time with people that deeply,

00:53:39.130 --> 00:53:41.230
<v Ivan>you know, study liberation theology.

00:53:41.830 --> 00:53:45.810
<v Ivan>And, you know, I realize that it's one of those things where it's one of the

00:53:45.810 --> 00:53:52.770
<v Ivan>worst fucking lies by the evangelicals that the New Testament,

00:53:52.910 --> 00:53:56.470
<v Ivan>you know, that they completely act like the New Testament is some kind of right-wing

00:53:56.470 --> 00:54:03.270
<v Ivan>fucking writing when it is about the most fucking flaming liberal thing you could see in your life.

00:54:04.410 --> 00:54:08.510
<v Sam>Yes. The whole, like, rich people passing through the eye of a needle.

00:54:09.130 --> 00:54:17.630
<v Ivan>Anti-rich people. I mean, you know, anti-discrimination, anti-every, all of this shit.

00:54:18.050 --> 00:54:20.310
<v Sam>Yes. The golden rule.

00:54:20.550 --> 00:54:22.130
<v Ivan>The golden rule.

00:54:22.690 --> 00:54:23.390
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:54:24.090 --> 00:54:27.530
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just, it's bonkers.

00:54:28.990 --> 00:54:33.330
<v Sam>Yes. Anyway, so people are nervous about him for that reason.

00:54:33.870 --> 00:54:37.090
<v Sam>Also, for Texas Senate, and this was for Texas Senate, by the way,

00:54:37.270 --> 00:54:43.730
<v Sam>on the Republican side for Texas Senate, they've gone into a runoff between the incumbent.

00:54:43.890 --> 00:54:46.350
<v Sam>This is not Ted Cruz. This is the other one. What's his name,

00:54:46.450 --> 00:54:49.110
<v Sam>Yvonne? I'm so bad on names this time.

00:54:50.130 --> 00:54:50.570
<v Ivan>Tallarico?

00:54:51.090 --> 00:54:55.510
<v Sam>No, no, no, no. The incumbent senator from Texas on the Republican side.

00:54:55.670 --> 00:54:58.110
<v Ivan>Cornyn. Cornyn.

00:54:58.370 --> 00:55:03.870
<v Sam>Cornyn. Yes. So Cornyn is running against Paxton, and neither one of them got

00:55:03.870 --> 00:55:06.190
<v Sam>a majority, and so they're going to run off.

00:55:06.330 --> 00:55:10.410
<v Sam>And the runoff schedule in Texas is long, so we're going to have like a few

00:55:10.410 --> 00:55:11.430
<v Sam>months of this, apparently.

00:55:11.670 --> 00:55:11.690
<v Ivan>It's in May.

00:55:11.870 --> 00:55:15.750
<v Sam>It's in May. So you're going to have this going on.

00:55:15.950 --> 00:55:20.470
<v Sam>And, you know, Paxton has his own set of scandals.

00:55:20.770 --> 00:55:23.410
<v Sam>So the dream Democratic scenario.

00:55:23.410 --> 00:55:33.090
<v Ivan>I mean, how the hell this son of a bitch still is in politics is a testament to the new GOP.

00:55:33.270 --> 00:55:41.670
<v Sam>The GOP in Texas impeached him for all sorts of wrongdoing. And then he was

00:55:41.670 --> 00:55:45.030
<v Sam>acquitted as part of the impeachment proceedings.

00:55:45.230 --> 00:55:49.770
<v Sam>He's had issues with his wife. He's had issues with corruption.

00:55:49.850 --> 00:55:53.130
<v Sam>He's had issues with all kinds of different things.

00:55:53.410 --> 00:55:56.410
<v Sam>And yet he has survived all of them so far.

00:55:56.670 --> 00:55:58.450
<v Ivan>The new GOP.

00:55:58.770 --> 00:56:05.330
<v Sam>Now, so again, the Democratic dream scenario essentially started with the victory,

00:56:05.590 --> 00:56:11.590
<v Sam>started with the moderate already winning on the Democratic side and ends with

00:56:11.590 --> 00:56:18.710
<v Sam>if Paxton wins the primary on the Republican side, they think that combination

00:56:18.710 --> 00:56:20.230
<v Sam>would give them a real chance.

00:56:21.230 --> 00:56:24.470
<v Ivan>Well, I do agree. because look, you just said it yourself.

00:56:25.620 --> 00:56:29.820
<v Ivan>The guys that fucking impeached him were his own party in the first place.

00:56:30.040 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Ivan>They already tried to fucking torpedo him. Okay.

00:56:34.620 --> 00:56:39.700
<v Ivan>They already believe he is, you know, irredeemable.

00:56:40.060 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Ivan>So, yeah, that's going to, I think that that will definitely impact their chances

00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.040
<v Ivan>of keeping the seat. Yeah.

00:56:49.540 --> 00:56:52.300
<v Sam>Right. So we shall see, like, you know.

00:56:53.500 --> 00:56:58.300
<v Sam>People on our Slack and elsewhere make the point that, you know,

00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:04.040
<v Sam>Texas for the Democrats is Lucy Charlie Brown and the football. Okay.

00:57:04.100 --> 00:57:04.460
<v Ivan>I know.

00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:10.600
<v Sam>For years and years, it's like Texas is slowly moving. It's getting purple.

00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Sam>The Democrats are going to win any time now.

00:57:14.900 --> 00:57:20.780
<v Sam>Any time now. And, you know, this last 2024 went the opposite direction.

00:57:20.780 --> 00:57:23.100
<v Sam>It went more red than it's been in a while.

00:57:23.780 --> 00:57:29.380
<v Sam>You know, but Texas has actually been like, you know, in people's heads,

00:57:30.340 --> 00:57:32.860
<v Sam>Texas is this solid red state.

00:57:33.580 --> 00:57:42.620
<v Sam>And in fact, it is not, it is a red state, but it is not as solid as people think it is.

00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:45.560
<v Sam>It's like, you know, the Republicans have an advantage.

00:57:45.740 --> 00:57:48.460
<v Sam>It's a decent advantage, but it's not like Wyoming. Okay.

00:57:48.460 --> 00:57:55.740
<v Ivan>No, and it's also helped a lot by a lot of things that the Republicans have

00:57:55.740 --> 00:57:59.180
<v Ivan>done to structurally tilt it their way, okay?

00:57:59.360 --> 00:57:59.580
<v Sam>Yes.

00:57:59.640 --> 00:58:09.460
<v Ivan>Because if you see the general population, it's not as conservative as the voting would let you believe.

00:58:09.660 --> 00:58:13.720
<v Ivan>It is, but it's moderate, okay?

00:58:14.560 --> 00:58:20.140
<v Ivan>It's not, you know, right? It's a lot of big cities, okay?

00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:25.300
<v Ivan>You know, you got San Antonio, you got Dallas, and they're very blue, and Austin.

00:58:25.600 --> 00:58:31.140
<v Ivan>So, you know, the state is a lot more moderate than...

00:58:32.310 --> 00:58:34.490
<v Ivan>It seems at first glance.

00:58:34.750 --> 00:58:38.210
<v Sam>Right. And so, you know, who knows?

00:58:38.550 --> 00:58:46.870
<v Sam>Like the safe response on anything Texas related is I'll believe it when I fucking see it.

00:58:46.990 --> 00:58:54.090
<v Sam>And not one moment before, you know, you know, because I don't know.

00:58:55.250 --> 00:59:00.270
<v Sam>Occasionally you get inroads and it really seems to be the common, the combination.

00:59:00.270 --> 00:59:03.590
<v Sam>you have to have a republican

00:59:03.590 --> 00:59:06.950
<v Sam>who's in trouble anyway okay right

00:59:06.950 --> 00:59:09.930
<v Sam>you know and then you have a more moderate democrat

00:59:09.930 --> 00:59:13.130
<v Sam>you know and with that combination

00:59:13.130 --> 00:59:20.490
<v Sam>democrats have gotten close before and yeah i i long-term trends yeah at some

00:59:20.490 --> 00:59:25.250
<v Sam>point you'll probably have a democratic senator again you know or you might

00:59:25.250 --> 00:59:30.930
<v Sam>have the state go blue in a presidential election at some point But again,

00:59:31.610 --> 00:59:35.790
<v Sam>believe it when you see it, not one moment earlier. Okay.

00:59:36.310 --> 00:59:41.470
<v Sam>Other stuff from the primary. There are lots of races all over the country.

00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:49.890
<v Sam>The only others that I saw someone talking about, and I think this was Chris Hayes on MS Now.

00:59:50.110 --> 00:59:54.430
<v Sam>I wasn't even fully paying attention, and I think it was on in the background, so apologies.

00:59:54.430 --> 00:59:59.650
<v Sam>But I think mostly in North Carolina, but in some other places,

00:59:59.650 --> 01:00:08.170
<v Sam>too, there have been primaries where there has been a Democrat who ended up.

01:00:08.860 --> 01:00:13.720
<v Sam>Cooperating with the Republicans on one issue or another.

01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:19.160
<v Sam>Like there was one in North Carolina, I believe, who provided the swing vote

01:00:19.160 --> 01:00:24.220
<v Sam>in the state legislature to allow some additional cooperation with ICE in the

01:00:24.220 --> 01:00:25.160
<v Sam>state of North Carolina.

01:00:26.060 --> 01:00:32.300
<v Sam>And then some Democratic constituent just got extremely upset about that,

01:00:32.680 --> 01:00:34.800
<v Sam>ran against them in the primary and won.

01:00:36.140 --> 01:00:38.980
<v Sam>Because and there were several examples of this sort

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:42.820
<v Sam>of thing where there were more moderate republicans

01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:45.620
<v Sam>who actually did the thing and you see this

01:00:45.620 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Sam>in in the congress like uh all the time too where you have a handful of democrats

01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Sam>who will go along with you know with this just this last week we had war powers

01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.900
<v Sam>resolution stuff we had democrats go along with that or we had democrats go

01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:03.600
<v Sam>along with reopening the government after the shutdown.

01:01:03.740 --> 01:01:05.820
<v Sam>We have Democrats go along with whatever.

01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:09.860
<v Sam>We have a small handful of them. And apparently at the local level,

01:01:10.060 --> 01:01:12.980
<v Sam>in North Carolina specifically, but I think a couple other states,

01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:17.000
<v Sam>there were Democrats who did that and then just immediately got punished.

01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Ivan>Well, apparently also, Fetterman's stroke made him a Republican.

01:01:20.220 --> 01:01:21.340
<v Sam>Well, yeah, pretty much.

01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:28.620
<v Sam>He didn't have a primary this time, but it's a tangent there. But yes. Yeah.

01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:33.560
<v Sam>So a bunch of these folks got punished. And so which is a little,

01:01:33.740 --> 01:01:37.000
<v Sam>you know, in Congress, you know, different states are doing different things.

01:01:37.080 --> 01:01:38.800
<v Sam>Right. In Texas, the moderate won.

01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:46.440
<v Sam>In a bunch of these other places, the moderate incumbent got punished and tossed

01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:53.760
<v Sam>out for not doing enough to fight what was going on and instead sort of going along in certain cases.

01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:59.260
<v Sam>So those are the, those are the two main things that I remember.

01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Sam>There probably is more, like I said, I wasn't prepared.

01:02:02.680 --> 01:02:06.360
<v Sam>Like I, after, you know, sometimes after these, like there was a,

01:02:06.560 --> 01:02:08.440
<v Sam>there was another election of,

01:02:08.950 --> 01:02:14.350
<v Sam>A few months. I don't know. Whatever. I had like a nice little cheat sheet of

01:02:14.350 --> 01:02:19.530
<v Sam>here are all the things that happened that I saw some post online and I saved

01:02:19.530 --> 01:02:22.690
<v Sam>it and I had it ready and blah, blah, blah. I didn't do that.

01:02:23.290 --> 01:02:28.770
<v Sam>I did share on the curmudgeon's core Slack a TikTok that had all that kind of stuff.

01:02:29.170 --> 01:02:31.810
<v Ivan>Wait a second. Yeah, and it wasn't even up to date when you shared it.

01:02:31.990 --> 01:02:32.730
<v Sam>Well, it was like.

01:02:32.810 --> 01:02:33.290
<v Ivan>It had some mistakes.

01:02:33.290 --> 01:02:35.110
<v Sam>It was a few hours old.

01:02:35.230 --> 01:02:36.550
<v Ivan>It had mistakes.

01:02:36.850 --> 01:02:37.930
<v Sam>The only mistake.

01:02:37.930 --> 01:02:41.370
<v Ivan>I heard it and I'm like, what the hell is this thing talking about?

01:02:41.510 --> 01:02:46.270
<v Sam>The only mistake was it didn't have that Crockett had conceded.

01:02:46.370 --> 01:02:48.730
<v Sam>It was a few hours old. Everything else was fine.

01:02:49.290 --> 01:02:53.090
<v Sam>Let me actually find out. I'll play that for you. There we go.

01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.980
<v Sam>I just have to find it. I just have to find the thing where you complained about it.

01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:05.980
<v Sam>And then that'll be my shortcut to bringing it up.

01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Ivan>There you go.

01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:13.020
<v Sam>Okay, here we go. This is Amanda Nelson. By the way, good TikToker,

01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:18.040
<v Sam>political content, has good content every day. But let me bring it up.

01:03:18.540 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Amanda Nelson>We had elections last night, and a lot of Republican incumbents had very bad

01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.120
<v Amanda Nelson>nights. But let's start with the big one, the Texas Democratic primary.

01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:29.200
<v Amanda Nelson>It's been called for James Tallarico by most places, but there were some issues

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<v Amanda Nelson>with the Dallas county vote.

01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.140
<v Amanda Nelson>Republicans introduced a precinct system to the county for the first time.

01:03:34.300 --> 01:03:36.720
<v Amanda Nelson>Most people could vote before anywhere in the county that they wanted,

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<v Amanda Nelson>but now they had an assigned precinct.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Some of them, most of them, a lot of them had no idea. A judge ordered the polls

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<v Amanda Nelson>to be kept open after 7 from 7 until 9 p.m. so that people could figure out

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<v Amanda Nelson>where they were supposed to go.

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<v Amanda Nelson>And then Ken Paxton, the attorney general for Texas and a candidate in this

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<v Amanda Nelson>race for the Republican primary, appealed it.

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<v Amanda Nelson>And the Texas Supreme Court sided with Paxton. So those votes that were taken

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<v Amanda Nelson>in Dallas from 7 to 9 p.m. are not being counted.

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<v Amanda Nelson>So Crockett is not actually conceded. And I expect there will be lawsuits.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Dallas County primary voters are largely black. I don't care how you feel about

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<v Amanda Nelson>who may or may not have won this race, but we should be calling for every vote

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<v Amanda Nelson>to be counted. in all circumstances.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Meanwhile, the Republican Senate primary is messy, messy, messy, messy.

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<v Amanda Nelson>John Cornyn's already spent $60 million fending off this challenge,

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<v Amanda Nelson>and it didn't work. They're going to a runoff.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Back to the Dems. In the Texas second, Al Green is struggling to maintain his incumbency.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Al Green was the rep at the State of the Union with the sign that said Black

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<v Amanda Nelson>people aren't apes. He's 78 years old. Runoff.

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<v Amanda Nelson>In the Texas 2nd, Dan Crenshaw has lost his primary to Steve Toth, who is crazier than Dan.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Somehow, this is Dan, if you don't remember.

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<v Amanda Nelson>In the Texas 23rd, Tony Gonzalez is also failing to stave off a primary opponent.

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<v Amanda Nelson>This is the guy whose girlfriend set herself on fire. Run off.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Yikes. And the attorney general race. Going to a runoff. Oh,

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<v Amanda Nelson>who's that? Our good friend Chip Roy.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Did not do well. Not going to be in Congress one way or to other.

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<v Amanda Nelson>The North Carolina 4th had a primary rematch between Valerie Fushi and Nita Alam.

01:05:11.010 --> 01:05:14.410
<v Amanda Nelson>Fushi held on by like a thousand votes. Super close. They had some differences

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<v Amanda Nelson>on data centers and funding from Israel. Two votes!

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<v Amanda Nelson>North Carolina's state Senate seat, the 26th. Phil has sat in that seat for

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<v Amanda Nelson>20 years. He's been the Senate pro-temporary president for 15.

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<v Amanda Nelson>He is responsible for redrawing the maps of North Carolina at Donald Trump's behest last year.

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<v Amanda Nelson>He lost by two votes. Two. His son sits on the North Carolina Supreme Court.

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<v Amanda Nelson>So, you know, expect shenanigans. North Carolina's House District 106.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Carla Cunningham is a Democrat who has voted with Republicans in North Carolina to partner with ICE.

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<v Amanda Nelson>She lost her primary 77 to 22.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Ouch. Over in Arkansas, we had a special election and a flip.

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<v Amanda Nelson>This is the 70th House District. Alex Holliday was running for that seat again.

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<v Amanda Nelson>He lost by 200 votes last time. He won by over a thousand votes this time.

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<v Amanda Nelson>I talked to him as part of Choose Your Fighter.

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<v Amanda Nelson>You can go back on my feed and see that interview.

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<v Amanda Nelson>Sorry about your bad day, Cornyn. Hope it gets better.

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<v Sam>Okay, that's it.

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<v Ivan>I forgot about Crenshaw losing, you know.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>Oh, well. But the thing is that he lost to somebody who is more unhinged.

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<v Sam>Yes, and the guy whose girlfriend set herself on fire, he has since.

01:06:27.730 --> 01:06:28.790
<v Ivan>Yeah, he's withdrawn.

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<v Sam>Well, it was going to go to a runoff, but he has since the party leadership

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<v Sam>basically told him, get out.

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<v Sam>And he is not resigning his seat, but he has announced he's dropping out of the race.

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<v Ivan>That is something that is very important correction because I need to honor

01:06:43.090 --> 01:06:45.130
<v Ivan>that girl about that. I don't want this to go wrong.

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<v Ivan>That woman was not his girlfriend. That woman was pressured and harassed into

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<v Ivan>a sexual relationship with this asshole who was her boss.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>And she felt bad about it, ashamed, embarrassed in her marriage and fucking killed herself over it.

01:07:04.230 --> 01:07:06.830
<v Ivan>No, not her his girlfriend.

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<v Sam>I stand for it.

01:07:10.430 --> 01:07:14.530
<v Ivan>But everybody's getting this wrong, and it's pissing me off.

01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:20.770
<v Ivan>This woman was harassed intensely by this asshole into a sexual relationship,

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<v Ivan>and she felt cornered as an employee.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>That guy is really messed up.

01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:33.100
<v Sam>Yeah. And he has dropped out of the race.

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<v Sam>So I guess the runoff, the other guy is likely to win.

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<v Sam>But he is at the moment saying he's going to serve out the rest of his term.

01:07:43.180 --> 01:07:48.360
<v Sam>I know there had been some talk of disciplinary hearings within the House.

01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:56.080
<v Sam>Like, even the other Republicans are appalled by this guy and were about ready to take action.

01:07:56.260 --> 01:07:59.420
<v Sam>Yeah, even given they're really narrow margins.

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<v Sam>But I guess that I guess the deal has probably been made that he can serve out

01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:07.660
<v Sam>his term in exchange for dropping his reelection bid.

01:08:07.900 --> 01:08:11.940
<v Sam>So so I don't expect really more to come of that. But, you know,

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<v Sam>if more comes out, it could still flare up.

01:08:14.540 --> 01:08:18.000
<v Sam>So anyway, that's it for the election summaries. Shall we take a break?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay. Here we go. Here comes a break. And when we come back,

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<v Sam>it'll be my turn. Back after this.

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<v Sam>Okay. We got two things. Maybe we can spend a little bit of time on each, at least the big things.

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<v Sam>One, I think we'd be remiss in not following up on Iran.

01:09:15.860 --> 01:09:19.240
<v Sam>Last week, we were still in the very first hours of it.

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<v Ivan>Well, we did do some coverage of Iran first. You did read the message from our

01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:26.480
<v Ivan>dear leader. Do you want to read it again?

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.060
<v Sam>No, I don't want to read it again. Once was quite enough.

01:09:31.060 --> 01:09:37.400
<v Ivan>I mean, it's like reading that shit, almost like it's like it's like almost

01:09:37.400 --> 01:09:41.360
<v Ivan>like try to it's like almost clogging your heart arteries with something.

01:09:41.440 --> 01:09:45.480
<v Ivan>It's like clogging my brain with like this garbage infusion.

01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:47.580
<v Ivan>OK, of nonsense.

01:09:48.300 --> 01:09:51.740
<v Ivan>Well, but but but wait.

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<v Sam>Wait, I need to say this since you mentioned Donald Trump's statements.

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<v Sam>there was also a press availability earlier today with donald trump and hegseth,

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<v Sam>and there are a few quotes i'm just going to scroll up and down i have not watched

01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:15.700
<v Sam>the actual video of this but i noticed as we've been speaking here on on i have

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<v Sam>mastodon up and there were a few highlights that were posted it was actually highlights you.

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:21.800
<v Ivan>Be you be lowlights.

01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:27.320
<v Sam>Yes. Posted by threads. It was actually threads. Aaron Rupar posting on threads.

01:10:27.460 --> 01:10:28.800
<v Sam>I just had a gateway into Mastodon.

01:10:29.080 --> 01:10:36.520
<v Sam>Okay. So the first highlight he posted was, this was Trump speaking to a grouping

01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.580
<v Sam>of Latin American leaders. Okay.

01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:45.780
<v Sam>Trump to Latin American leaders. Quote, I'm not learning your damn language. I don't have time.

01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:55.380
<v Ivan>Well, we didn't expect that Trump at age 80 Whatever the fuck you are Nobody asked you Okay.

01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:56.500
<v Sam>Here's another one.

01:10:56.500 --> 01:10:59.460
<v Ivan>Not learning your damn language Okay, all right, very good.

01:11:00.390 --> 01:11:05.310
<v Sam>Another quote from Trump. We use missiles. You want us to use a missile?

01:11:05.530 --> 01:11:07.050
<v Sam>They're extremely accurate.

01:11:07.550 --> 01:11:11.870
<v Sam>FOOM! Right into the living room. That's the end of that cartel person.

01:11:14.650 --> 01:11:15.750
<v Sam>Okay, let's see.

01:11:16.170 --> 01:11:20.410
<v Ivan>The fucking hell. The fucking hell.

01:11:20.550 --> 01:11:24.190
<v Ivan>How could we be living this right now for real?

01:11:25.050 --> 01:11:28.630
<v Sam>Okay, here's another one. Trump on Mexico. Quote.

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<v Sam>I like the president very much. She's a very good person. She's got a beautiful

01:11:33.870 --> 01:11:35.430
<v Sam>voice. Beautiful woman.

01:11:36.210 --> 01:11:41.290
<v Sam>I said, let me eradicate the cartels. No, no, no, please, president.

01:11:41.830 --> 01:11:45.270
<v Sam>We have to eradicate them. We have to knock the hell out of them.

01:11:45.530 --> 01:11:48.130
<v Sam>The cartels are running Mexico. We can't have that.

01:11:49.190 --> 01:11:51.110
<v Sam>Okay, here's a Hegseth one.

01:11:52.290 --> 01:11:58.110
<v Sam>So Hegseth was asked, oh wait, let me get the beginning, the question too,

01:11:58.370 --> 01:12:00.190
<v Sam>because that was important to this.

01:12:01.590 --> 01:12:06.370
<v Sam>Trump asked Hegseth, is Rubio better in Spanish?

01:12:07.090 --> 01:12:10.650
<v Sam>And Hegseth answered, I only speak American.

01:12:12.490 --> 01:12:17.490
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus Christ. Fucking hell.

01:12:21.850 --> 01:12:24.030
<v Ivan>Well, everything seems to be going well over there.

01:12:24.110 --> 01:12:24.190
<v Sam>Huh?

01:12:26.430 --> 01:12:28.170
<v Ivan>Mi no spico americano.

01:12:32.490 --> 01:12:38.150
<v Sam>Okay, another Hegseth quote, and then I think we can move on and get back to Iran.

01:12:38.450 --> 01:12:39.350
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

01:12:39.430 --> 01:12:42.250
<v Sam>This was all at the meeting with the Latin American leaders.

01:12:42.490 --> 01:12:48.090
<v Sam>Hey, Seth, for far too long, our country's gaze was only on borders in far-flung

01:12:48.090 --> 01:12:52.350
<v Sam>places, not our own border, not our own hemisphere, not the Western Hemisphere.

01:12:52.610 --> 01:12:56.390
<v Sam>President Trump has established the Trump corollary of the Monroe Doctrine,

01:12:56.530 --> 01:13:01.310
<v Sam>the Donroe Doctrine, and the War Department is implementing it as fast as we can.

01:13:02.780 --> 01:13:10.160
<v Ivan>Just, you know, so eloquent, so full of, you know, strength.

01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:16.920
<v Sam>Okay, anyway, I ran. We did speak about it last week, but we were still in the

01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.600
<v Sam>very first early hours of the conflict.

01:13:19.940 --> 01:13:26.940
<v Sam>I think the main thing that, first of all, it was confirmed that the Ayatollah

01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:32.180
<v Sam>was killed. at the first, you know, while we were recording last week.

01:13:32.180 --> 01:13:37.600
<v Ivan>Not just the Ayatollah, but almost literally. The whole, I still go and I'm

01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:43.220
<v Ivan>like, I am still in shock at the stupidity of the Iranian leadership.

01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:44.460
<v Sam>That they had a meeting.

01:13:44.540 --> 01:13:47.420
<v Ivan>In terms? Yes! With everybody in person.

01:13:48.360 --> 01:13:53.320
<v Ivan>Yes, and it wasn't in some kind of like ridiculously hardened bunker.

01:13:53.660 --> 01:13:54.640
<v Sam>There's just some house.

01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.320
<v Ivan>Of all places. Yeah. What do they think?

01:13:59.960 --> 01:14:04.060
<v Ivan>What? I don't, I'm, I'm, it's stunning.

01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:09.780
<v Sam>Well, and the reports are, and, and, and I don't know how much of this has been

01:14:09.780 --> 01:14:14.480
<v Sam>confirmed because it seems actually kind of alarming that this level of detail was coming out.

01:14:14.620 --> 01:14:21.900
<v Sam>But I saw reports saying that specifically, you know, how the Israelis located

01:14:21.900 --> 01:14:24.760
<v Sam>him and everything was first of all.

01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:29.000
<v Sam>Well, no, no. First of all, they have all kinds of on-the-ground intelligence, right?

01:14:29.240 --> 01:14:35.360
<v Sam>Well, yeah, that they do. They do have, like, molds in the Iranian government, and they have that.

01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:35.560
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:35.780 --> 01:14:45.140
<v Sam>But also, more specifically, Tehran and lots of Iran has a massive,

01:14:45.140 --> 01:14:50.340
<v Sam>like, you know, CCD surveillance network around the whole city.

01:14:50.340 --> 01:14:52.220
<v Ivan>And they infiltrated it, of course.

01:14:52.420 --> 01:14:57.360
<v Sam>And the Israelis infiltrated it. So they had access to all the security cameras

01:14:57.360 --> 01:15:03.220
<v Sam>across the whole city and were on an ongoing basis tracking the movement of

01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:05.320
<v Sam>all the significant leaders that they cared about.

01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:14.000
<v Ivan>I mean, I'm just shocked that there's stupidity.

01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:22.580
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, when we recorded last week, there had been some reports of

01:15:22.580 --> 01:15:25.100
<v Sam>the Ayatollah's death. Iran was denying it.

01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:31.640
<v Sam>Other sources were saying yes. But and by the time we finished the show,

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.660
<v Sam>it looked like it had probably happened, but still wasn't 100 percent confirmed.

01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:39.640
<v Sam>It was confirmed later. As you said, lots of other leaders killed.

01:15:39.980 --> 01:15:45.460
<v Sam>I mean, they basically decapitated huge numbers of the Iranian leadership.

01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:53.560
<v Sam>I mean, seriously, imagine the same effect as someone bombing the State of the Union address here.

01:15:54.540 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Sam>I mean, we're at that level of decapitation.

01:15:58.160 --> 01:15:59.380
<v Ivan>That level, yes.

01:16:00.220 --> 01:16:04.580
<v Sam>But, you know, and, you know, there are people survive and there's still leadership

01:16:04.580 --> 01:16:07.220
<v Sam>and it's still continuing, just as it would here.

01:16:07.480 --> 01:16:13.500
<v Sam>We have the designated survivor, you know, and so, but all of that is going on.

01:16:13.860 --> 01:16:17.480
<v Sam>And then the Iranians have, of course, been retaliating.

01:16:18.420 --> 01:16:23.760
<v Sam>And they have been striking basically every fucking country in the region.

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:29.520
<v Sam>I mean, especially places where there are American assets in place.

01:16:30.420 --> 01:16:34.340
<v Sam>But not only. I mean, they hit Azerbaijan the other day.

01:16:35.420 --> 01:16:40.060
<v Sam>Basically, every Gulf Coast state that exists has been hit.

01:16:40.580 --> 01:16:46.180
<v Sam>Israel, of course. Israel has been attacking Lebanon as well as Iran.

01:16:46.480 --> 01:16:54.000
<v Sam>The U.S. has been attacking Iran. One of the things that has been coming out over the last,

01:16:54.560 --> 01:17:01.520
<v Sam>I guess it's been a week now, is the administration has apparently been taken

01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:08.200
<v Sam>somewhat by surprise by the level of the Iranian response. What?

01:17:08.200 --> 01:17:10.700
<v Ivan>They just expected that nothing was going to happen?

01:17:10.700 --> 01:17:16.400
<v Sam>Well, the last couple of times that Iran has been attacked, they've sort of

01:17:16.400 --> 01:17:20.940
<v Sam>done one half-hearted counterattack, and then it's been over, right?

01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.140
<v Ivan>Yeah, but it's almost also because...

01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:29.380
<v Ivan>I mean, on purpose, they held back. I mean, that is what they did.

01:17:29.540 --> 01:17:36.840
<v Sam>They held back on purpose. They held back on purpose before they specifically wanted not to escalate.

01:17:37.040 --> 01:17:41.400
<v Sam>Okay, this time, you killed their entire leadership.

01:17:41.980 --> 01:17:43.100
<v Ivan>What did you expect?

01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:50.220
<v Sam>You're doing a massive ongoing attack that you have said explicitly will probably last several weeks.

01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:54.340
<v Ivan>But here's the other problem. I'm going to tell you the other problem of what

01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:57.780
<v Ivan>they have done. Okay, the biggest issue.

01:17:58.120 --> 01:17:59.500
<v Sam>What the Iranians have done.

01:17:59.960 --> 01:18:01.260
<v Ivan>Well, I'm going to say...

01:18:01.260 --> 01:18:02.640
<v Sam>Or the Americans. Or the Israelis.

01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:07.400
<v Ivan>The Americans in terms of like, why are they surprised that there was more of a response?

01:18:07.620 --> 01:18:07.800
<v Sam>Yes.

01:18:08.300 --> 01:18:16.460
<v Ivan>Look, in the past, when we've done a military campaign of this type anywhere, okay, first thing to do,

01:18:17.580 --> 01:18:23.380
<v Ivan>There was a mass buildup that took way longer than the buildup that they did.

01:18:23.620 --> 01:18:29.200
<v Ivan>Yes. Spent a lot of time in preparation. And when they went in on first strikes,

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.580
<v Ivan>it wasn't a small first strike.

01:18:33.140 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Ivan>The first strikes were meant to paralyze the other opponent, okay?

01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:47.460
<v Ivan>To immediately inflict such damage that they were basically paralyzed.

01:18:47.580 --> 01:18:52.120
<v Sam>To be fair, they did decapitate the leadership, as we said. But the other part.

01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:55.380
<v Ivan>But that's a relatively easy target, if you think about it.

01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:59.020
<v Sam>Well, no, no. But those are not. The key missing.

01:18:59.200 --> 01:19:01.140
<v Ivan>And actually, that actually. Wait,

01:19:01.200 --> 01:19:04.560
<v Ivan>wait, wait. But that actually is counterproductive for them to do that.

01:19:04.620 --> 01:19:07.840
<v Ivan>Because if you take out the leadership, that there's nobody to talk to that

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.480
<v Ivan>to kind of like say, hey, we're going to do this. You can stop.

01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.420
<v Ivan>No. You talk about there's no decision making.

01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.580
<v Ivan>You got everybody here under attack. What I heard a little bit is that they

01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:21.440
<v Ivan>decentralized decision-making at that point so that they all could fire anyway

01:19:21.440 --> 01:19:23.980
<v Ivan>if they got hit. So what the hell?

01:19:24.380 --> 01:19:30.580
<v Ivan>You went and you created this situation where they didn't – okay.

01:19:30.780 --> 01:19:37.180
<v Sam>The key missing element for the shock and awe kind of stuff that you were talking

01:19:37.180 --> 01:19:44.660
<v Sam>about for the Iraq wars was actually you start out by eliminating air power.

01:19:44.660 --> 01:19:47.600
<v Sam>and making sure you have that's

01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.700
<v Sam>the focus you you make sure you have

01:19:50.700 --> 01:19:55.820
<v Sam>complete control of the airspace as soon as possible now you'll notice what's

01:19:55.820 --> 01:20:01.640
<v Sam>happening right now and the other place that the americans had not well there's

01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:05.200
<v Sam>several places the americans had not thought through even last week we were

01:20:05.200 --> 01:20:08.640
<v Sam>talking about hey they had no plan for day two right but like,

01:20:09.190 --> 01:20:14.370
<v Sam>These they're using their cheap drones as part of these attacks that apparently

01:20:14.370 --> 01:20:18.830
<v Sam>they've stockpiled, you know, 100,000 of these things or something like they've

01:20:18.830 --> 01:20:21.470
<v Sam>been they've been constantly building these cheap drones.

01:20:21.470 --> 01:20:24.270
<v Sam>They cost like 20 grand each to make or something like that,

01:20:24.350 --> 01:20:25.390
<v Sam>something insanely cheap.

01:20:25.970 --> 01:20:30.530
<v Sam>And they've been attacking all of these Gulf countries where the Americans have

01:20:30.530 --> 01:20:35.550
<v Sam>been giving them Patriot missiles for defense against missile attacks.

01:20:35.550 --> 01:20:40.030
<v Sam>These patriots cost like a couple million dollars each per missile,

01:20:40.290 --> 01:20:44.890
<v Sam>and they're designed to go after missiles, so they're not actually all that

01:20:44.890 --> 01:20:46.250
<v Sam>good against these drones.

01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:52.400
<v Sam>And every time they shoot down one of these drones, they're spending $2 million

01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:54.700
<v Sam>to shoot down a $20,000 drone.

01:20:55.480 --> 01:21:00.340
<v Sam>And they've got a lot of these drones and not very many of the Patriot missiles.

01:21:00.460 --> 01:21:04.600
<v Sam>And this is just one of those planning things. So enough so.

01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:11.060
<v Ivan>But this is once again, lack of strategic planning around this and forethought

01:21:11.060 --> 01:21:15.300
<v Ivan>into, hey, what can they do?

01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:20.200
<v Ivan>How do we prepare? How do we, by the way, because the preparation for this was not that complicated.

01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:27.180
<v Ivan>Well, and look, who could give you the tools to prepare for this very effectively? What country?

01:21:28.120 --> 01:21:31.040
<v Sam>Well, this is what I was going to say. Ukraine, of course. Because here's the

01:21:31.040 --> 01:21:34.480
<v Sam>thing. This was not, there's no way this should have been unexpected.

01:21:35.100 --> 01:21:35.580
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:21:36.020 --> 01:21:42.080
<v Sam>Because the Russians have been using the Iranian drones in Ukraine as like their

01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:46.040
<v Sam>primary mode of attack for months and months and months now.

01:21:47.100 --> 01:21:52.080
<v Sam>I mean, they use other things, too, but they've been using extensively these drones.

01:21:52.480 --> 01:21:58.500
<v Ivan>And so if you didn't have a strategy to completely neutralize that threat to

01:21:58.500 --> 01:22:01.620
<v Ivan>do that, that you're a bunch of idiots.

01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:06.100
<v Sam>And let's be very specific here. It's not even the Russians using some Russian

01:22:06.100 --> 01:22:08.780
<v Sam>drones that the Iranians don't have access to are.

01:22:08.780 --> 01:22:10.500
<v Ivan>Using Iranian drones.

01:22:11.080 --> 01:22:16.000
<v Sam>Yes. The exact same kind of drones that Iran is now using in the Gulf.

01:22:16.540 --> 01:22:25.980
<v Ivan>Ukraine is fighting and neutralizing in very large swaths and they've developed defenses for. But hey!

01:22:26.900 --> 01:22:30.080
<v Ivan>You know, we're smarter than everybody, right, Sam?

01:22:30.620 --> 01:22:35.960
<v Ivan>Our leadership is, I mean, as you can see, I mean, those quotes you gave, oof, let me tell you.

01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:42.320
<v Ivan>Talk about, talk about it. I mean, intelligence there. Oof, let me tell you, I'm overwhelmed.

01:22:42.460 --> 01:22:51.300
<v Sam>Well, look, I mean, the fundamental thing is just, it's seemingly just,

01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.320
<v Sam>it's not even that they had a bad plan.

01:22:54.320 --> 01:22:59.360
<v Sam>It's literally that, again, like we talked last week, the plan did not go beyond

01:22:59.360 --> 01:23:01.360
<v Sam>the first few hours of the conflict.

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:06.880
<v Ivan>The plan was like the plan of what we've done before, what Trump has done many

01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:11.340
<v Ivan>times, which is just launch missiles and then, OK, bye.

01:23:11.900 --> 01:23:20.220
<v Ivan>They expected just what you OK, you actually very well encapsulated it earlier when you said that.

01:23:21.570 --> 01:23:25.090
<v Ivan>They thought they were going to get a response like what's happened before.

01:23:25.590 --> 01:23:32.590
<v Ivan>And are shocked that it's been more extensive. And it shows absolutely no,

01:23:32.870 --> 01:23:37.690
<v Ivan>as we've talked about how this administration operates, no long-term plan.

01:23:37.830 --> 01:23:41.950
<v Ivan>No thinking of anything beyond, you know, the current moment.

01:23:42.190 --> 01:23:50.250
<v Sam>And they never, because I feel like this is fundamentally connected to the entire way MAGA operates.

01:23:50.250 --> 01:23:55.430
<v Sam>and the fact that they have no empathy for anything, no consideration whatsoever

01:23:55.430 --> 01:24:00.930
<v Sam>of, hey, let's try to think through what it would be like to be the other side

01:24:00.930 --> 01:24:02.590
<v Sam>of the conflict and what they would do.

01:24:04.070 --> 01:24:04.570
<v Ivan>Right.

01:24:05.550 --> 01:24:13.650
<v Sam>You know, because they can't, they physically cannot put themselves into the position of the...

01:24:13.650 --> 01:24:14.210
<v Ivan>Or mentally, not physically.

01:24:14.410 --> 01:24:20.570
<v Sam>But... Right. Into the mental position of the other side and try to role-play that out.

01:24:21.750 --> 01:24:25.630
<v Sam>It appears to just not be a skill they have at the leadership level.

01:24:25.710 --> 01:24:32.090
<v Sam>And look, I am sure there are people at the Pentagon who are very qualified to do this.

01:24:32.170 --> 01:24:34.510
<v Ivan>Right, but they're not listening to them.

01:24:34.550 --> 01:24:39.830
<v Sam>I'm sure there were plans on the shelf that had been written and refined over

01:24:39.830 --> 01:24:44.990
<v Sam>the course of many years and decades of if we really had to do a full attack

01:24:44.990 --> 01:24:46.290
<v Sam>on Iran, what would we do?

01:24:46.290 --> 01:24:51.790
<v Sam>I can almost guarantee you those were ignored completely I'm.

01:24:51.790 --> 01:24:53.150
<v Ivan>100% sure that you're right.

01:24:53.150 --> 01:24:56.930
<v Sam>Right you know because oh,

01:24:57.980 --> 01:25:00.520
<v Sam>experts did that. We don't like experts.

01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:01.720
<v Ivan>Oh, we don't like experts.

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.840
<v Sam>You know, that was touched by people that Biden and Obama liked.

01:25:06.460 --> 01:25:08.300
<v Ivan>Therefore, we can't even look.

01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:10.680
<v Sam>We're going to shred them. Yeah. We're not going to look at those.

01:25:11.300 --> 01:25:11.440
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.620
<v Sam>And, you know, and so we hadn't thought of that.

01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:20.360
<v Sam>Apparently, we hadn't thought of, oh, people might want to get evacuated from the region.

01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:24.080
<v Sam>How would we deal with that? And Rubio is out there. I think it was Rubio who

01:25:24.080 --> 01:25:27.940
<v Sam>said, And, like, this wouldn't be a problem except the airspace is closed.

01:25:28.700 --> 01:25:32.400
<v Ivan>Oh, who could have foreseen that that could be a problem, Sam?

01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:38.460
<v Sam>And now, and they're also surprised that there may be shipping issues in the Straits of Hormuz.

01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.320
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Who the hell could have foreseen that as well?

01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:47.560
<v Ivan>How could that have impacted the price of oil, Sam? Oh, my God.

01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:50.860
<v Sam>Right. Well, we'll just tell them it's safe. Go ahead.

01:25:50.860 --> 01:25:56.460
<v Ivan>Hey, how could going and battling against every clean energy project of the

01:25:56.460 --> 01:26:02.320
<v Ivan>United States and then all of a sudden launching a war that restricts the exports of liquid natural,

01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:07.240
<v Ivan>liquefied natural gas and oil have an impact on energy prices, Sam?

01:26:07.440 --> 01:26:11.760
<v Ivan>My God, who could have foreseen all of this, Sam?

01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:13.040
<v Sam>No one.

01:26:13.580 --> 01:26:17.140
<v Ivan>It's completely out of the blue. There's a whole bunch of elitist,

01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:21.360
<v Ivan>overeducated pinheads that we don't listen to.

01:26:22.160 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Sam>Right. Because, and then, and we had started to talk about this last week,

01:26:27.780 --> 01:26:30.780
<v Sam>but it seems to have become even more clear this week.

01:26:32.120 --> 01:26:35.720
<v Sam>No thought whatsoever. Okay, we're going to decapitate the leadership.

01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:38.360
<v Sam>Okay, who's next? And how does that work?

01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:42.240
<v Ivan>And how would you have worked, if that's what you wanted to do,

01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:46.140
<v Ivan>who did you want to? Because, okay, we're not, by the way, how many times did

01:26:46.140 --> 01:26:48.540
<v Ivan>they flip-flop from regime change, no regime change?

01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:53.200
<v Ivan>Regime change or no regime change? I mean, but of course, because they had no

01:26:53.200 --> 01:26:56.940
<v Ivan>thought about it later because you would, what you would have been doing is working.

01:26:57.160 --> 01:27:00.860
<v Ivan>Okay, who is going to replace them if you're going to kill them all?

01:27:02.460 --> 01:27:06.120
<v Ivan>We negotiated with them in order to go and like do something.

01:27:06.340 --> 01:27:12.640
<v Sam>Now, Donald Trump has said in another Truth Social post that he does expect

01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:15.720
<v Sam>to have a say in who gets to be picked.

01:27:16.220 --> 01:27:17.240
<v Ivan>Ah, I see.

01:27:17.420 --> 01:27:21.860
<v Sam>And that the one that the Iranians have picked so far, which is the son of the

01:27:21.860 --> 01:27:26.880
<v Sam>one we killed, the high total we killed, is unacceptable. And that won't do.

01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:27.500
<v Ivan>I see.

01:27:29.700 --> 01:27:33.740
<v Sam>Now of course the i'm sure they're going to try to respond by that but just

01:27:33.740 --> 01:27:39.860
<v Sam>whoever the iranians pick just kill them until we get one that we think we like or maybe.

01:27:39.860 --> 01:27:43.140
<v Ivan>Okay maybe the iranians will get a little bit fucking smarter this time and

01:27:43.140 --> 01:27:46.860
<v Ivan>not just set him up somewhere where he can just get fucking killed.

01:27:46.860 --> 01:27:51.120
<v Sam>You know yes the the.

01:27:52.460 --> 01:27:57.660
<v Ivan>I don't know. Listen, first of all, what we did is abhorrent.

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.400
<v Ivan>What the United States has done right now.

01:28:01.080 --> 01:28:04.760
<v Ivan>And as we criticize the war plans or whatever, let me go back to one thing,

01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.640
<v Ivan>because I do agree that some people have talked about how we're talking about

01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:09.220
<v Ivan>this like it's some kind of sport or whatever.

01:28:09.220 --> 01:28:13.560
<v Ivan>What the United States did in this attack and what it's done and the damage

01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:16.480
<v Ivan>and the killing that is done together with Israel is abhorrent.

01:28:17.020 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Ivan>It's ridiculous. There's no reason for this.

01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.980
<v Ivan>There's never been any fucking reason for this. OK, you know,

01:28:23.080 --> 01:28:32.620
<v Ivan>we had, OK, an agreement that President Obama forged to limit their Iranian nuclear plan, OK,

01:28:32.900 --> 01:28:36.140
<v Ivan>to develop nuclear weapons. This had been solved.

01:28:36.440 --> 01:28:40.160
<v Ivan>And the only reason we don't have it right now is because Donald Trump decided

01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:43.040
<v Ivan>that because Obama did it, I don't want it. Okay?

01:28:43.440 --> 01:28:43.580
<v Sam>Right.

01:28:43.660 --> 01:28:48.660
<v Ivan>This issue had been put to bed. Number one. Number two.

01:28:49.060 --> 01:28:54.560
<v Ivan>Right now. The only reason this happened is because of the fucking Epstein files

01:28:54.560 --> 01:29:00.220
<v Ivan>and because Netanyahu wanted it and dog walked Trump into it because he figured,

01:29:00.340 --> 01:29:02.480
<v Ivan>well, how can I get this distraction off my head?

01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:05.180
<v Ivan>Hey, let's go to war. Fuck it.

01:29:05.780 --> 01:29:10.680
<v Ivan>I like bombs. I don't like those Arab guys. Persians. Yeah, not Arabs.

01:29:11.200 --> 01:29:12.940
<v Sam>Donald Trump was quoted this week.

01:29:13.080 --> 01:29:15.700
<v Ivan>Well, he'll call them Arabs, even though they're Persians. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah.

01:29:16.420 --> 01:29:21.500
<v Sam>Donald Trump said this week, in my first term, I built this military.

01:29:21.500 --> 01:29:23.760
<v Sam>In my second term, I'm using it.

01:29:24.900 --> 01:29:28.120
<v Sam>So, anticipate more.

01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:32.960
<v Sam>He's been talking about Cuba recently, too. He recently said something about,

01:29:33.080 --> 01:29:34.920
<v Sam>like, we're going to put Rubio in charge there.

01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:40.180
<v Sam>So, like, apparently Rubio's going to, yeah, they're going to do something in

01:29:40.180 --> 01:29:42.280
<v Sam>Cuba and Rubio's going to be president there or something.

01:29:42.340 --> 01:29:46.400
<v Ivan>We're going to make him the governor of Cuba.

01:29:46.480 --> 01:29:53.640
<v Sam>Something. Yeah, I don't know. so he yeah he said repeatedly like Cuba's next,

01:29:54.300 --> 01:29:55.900
<v Sam>in one way shape or another,

01:29:56.990 --> 01:29:57.910
<v Sam>The peace president.

01:29:58.490 --> 01:29:59.650
<v Ivan>The peace president.

01:30:00.090 --> 01:30:04.630
<v Sam>You know, he did say, didn't he say something like, since you didn't give me

01:30:04.630 --> 01:30:07.990
<v Sam>my Nobel Peace Prize, now I don't have to worry about peace so much anymore?

01:30:08.430 --> 01:30:13.230
<v Ivan>I think he did say that at one point. But he probably stole the man the Nobel

01:30:13.230 --> 01:30:14.370
<v Ivan>Peace Prize again anyway.

01:30:14.470 --> 01:30:17.870
<v Sam>Well, what better way to get peace than to.

01:30:17.870 --> 01:30:18.450
<v Ivan>Go to war?

01:30:18.750 --> 01:30:22.330
<v Sam>Than to fully destroy your enemy so they can't fight back anymore.

01:30:22.590 --> 01:30:26.030
<v Ivan>There is this movie that I always use to quote.

01:30:26.030 --> 01:30:33.970
<v Ivan>it's not a it's not a good movie but it's uh oh god where the hell i had the dvd around here,

01:30:34.730 --> 01:30:38.330
<v Ivan>it was it's called sale of the century okay and

01:30:38.330 --> 01:30:42.630
<v Ivan>the sale of the century is a movie with gregory hines and chevy chase where

01:30:42.630 --> 01:30:49.530
<v Ivan>they were arms dealers okay and they go to this there is this arms sales like

01:30:49.530 --> 01:30:54.170
<v Ivan>bizarre thing whatever did you know they show what they do and the whole the

01:30:54.170 --> 01:30:55.990
<v Ivan>slogan was arms for peace.

01:30:56.530 --> 01:31:01.130
<v Ivan>You know, I always loved the slogan, arms for peace, Sam.

01:31:01.270 --> 01:31:06.870
<v Ivan>That's what you got. You got, you know, you got, you know, war for peace, arms for peace.

01:31:07.190 --> 01:31:12.390
<v Ivan>Yeah, you know, but sale of the century. It's got a few funny moments.

01:31:12.530 --> 01:31:17.590
<v Ivan>It's not a good movie, but there's a couple of things that are funny in the movie.

01:31:18.450 --> 01:31:24.310
<v Sam>I am looking for this and not finding, Oh, a 1980, Deal of the Century.

01:31:24.710 --> 01:31:25.890
<v Ivan>Deal of the Century.

01:31:26.010 --> 01:31:30.150
<v Sam>Deal of the Century, 1983 is the movie you're thinking about.

01:31:30.670 --> 01:31:34.690
<v Sam>Sale of the Century was, there were apparently a few game shows with that name.

01:31:34.890 --> 01:31:37.590
<v Ivan>But in different countries. Yeah, that's the game. Deal of the Century. Deal of the Century.

01:31:37.590 --> 01:31:39.090
<v Sam>Deal of the Century. There we go.

01:31:40.150 --> 01:31:45.730
<v Ivan>So, yeah. You know, arms for peace, Sam. War for peace.

01:31:46.490 --> 01:31:50.810
<v Ivan>War for peace. The more we bomb, the more peace we'll get.

01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:57.000
<v Sam>That's that's lovely. OK, let's do a quick switch up because I don't want to

01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:04.580
<v Sam>end without letting you talk a little bit about more bad economic numbers that came out this week.

01:32:05.160 --> 01:32:08.500
<v Ivan>Sam, hey, look at that.

01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:15.320
<v Ivan>Look, the the the the golden era, the the jobs president. So I shared it.

01:32:15.340 --> 01:32:19.840
<v Sam>I know I know my situation has turned around. I just got like 30 new jobs this week.

01:32:20.500 --> 01:32:22.060
<v Ivan>Wow. Congratulations.

01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:26.480
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. I'm no longer unemployed. I am over-employed.

01:32:26.660 --> 01:32:28.540
<v Ivan>You're over-employed. Wow.

01:32:29.020 --> 01:32:29.220
<v Sam>Yes.

01:32:29.220 --> 01:32:34.920
<v Ivan>Wow. That's great. Okay. So I don't know if you, I shared this chart that showed

01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:42.780
<v Ivan>the average job gain, okay, over the last, since 2023 through 2020.

01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:46.620
<v Ivan>February, 2026. Okay.

01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:59.320
<v Ivan>And the one very salient point in this data is the dramatic slowdown in job

01:32:59.320 --> 01:33:04.840
<v Ivan>creation that happened right after Trump basically came into office.

01:33:05.320 --> 01:33:10.800
<v Ivan>Okay. And it's a, Sam, it's a

01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:16.680
<v Ivan>stunning drop that I don't think that I have ever seen. No, I don't think.

01:33:17.100 --> 01:33:28.720
<v Ivan>No president ever has been able to slow down job creation as effectively as Donald Trump has.

01:33:28.860 --> 01:33:30.900
<v Sam>Good job. Donald's done great.

01:33:31.580 --> 01:33:34.880
<v Ivan>Since the start of the presidency. And let me be clear.

01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.900
<v Sam>Oh, come on, Yvonne. Sometimes presidents are hostage to— It's not under the

01:33:38.900 --> 01:33:41.020
<v Sam>president's control. It's nothing.

01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:46.260
<v Sam>Biden left him this destroyed economy.

01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:46.800
<v Ivan>Right.

01:33:47.140 --> 01:33:51.420
<v Sam>And he's trying to fix it, Yvonne. Tariffs will fix everything,

01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.340
<v Sam>except the stupid Supreme Court is trying to get in the way.

01:33:55.000 --> 01:34:02.860
<v Ivan>Right. Okay, the refunds. It's Sam, no president ever has been more job destructive

01:34:02.860 --> 01:34:05.160
<v Ivan>as quickly as Donald Trump.

01:34:05.400 --> 01:34:12.660
<v Ivan>It's crazy. It's just crazy. He came into office and ever since he started with

01:34:12.660 --> 01:34:16.380
<v Ivan>this whole thing of his trade war, economic war, tariff thing,

01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:21.220
<v Ivan>basically ending all these subsidies, cutting all these things,

01:34:21.740 --> 01:34:25.560
<v Ivan>you know, Now, President Biden has started all these infrastructure programs

01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:30.980
<v Ivan>and the Inflation Reduction Act and all this investment in the manufacturing economy and whatever.

01:34:31.140 --> 01:34:35.280
<v Ivan>And he basically came in and fucking stopped.

01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:42.440
<v Ivan>All of those and then proceeded to do all these things that made every employer

01:34:42.440 --> 01:34:44.920
<v Ivan>be afraid of hiring people.

01:34:45.200 --> 01:34:53.600
<v Ivan>And he just slammed the brakes immediately on all job creation and has led to job losses.

01:34:54.100 --> 01:34:57.780
<v Ivan>And he did this.

01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:03.960
<v Ivan>In other cases, you can blame, you know, hey, Obama came into a bad economy from W.

01:35:04.080 --> 01:35:06.340
<v Sam>I thought it was all AI. Right.

01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:13.220
<v Ivan>No, it's not the fucking AI. OK, it's not the fucking AI. It's Donald.

01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:19.240
<v Ivan>And it's not even his advisors. It's fucking Donald J.

01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:30.180
<v Ivan>Trump directly has been the biggest job killing president ever, ever. It's incredible.

01:35:31.140 --> 01:35:36.740
<v Ivan>It is. And then, you know, we keep spending all these months where people keep

01:35:36.740 --> 01:35:40.620
<v Ivan>saying that the economic data that the government is showing is great.

01:35:40.740 --> 01:35:45.120
<v Ivan>And me and Pete on the Slack have to keep saying, man, look,

01:35:45.340 --> 01:35:49.280
<v Ivan>the data they keep publishing keeps getting revised backwards.

01:35:49.620 --> 01:35:55.000
<v Ivan>OK, all the other data that isn't manipulated by the government shows you that everything is fucked.

01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:00.900
<v Ivan>It can't be that they're saying that everything is under control while all external

01:36:00.900 --> 01:36:02.780
<v Ivan>data says everything is fucked.

01:36:03.380 --> 01:36:07.700
<v Ivan>And even their data now is showing that we're fucked.

01:36:08.020 --> 01:36:12.100
<v Ivan>Inflation is rising again. And by the way.

01:36:14.060 --> 01:36:19.920
<v Ivan>They think oil is going to hit 100 bucks. That's not going to push down inflation.

01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:24.640
<v Ivan>By the way, the last time we had a big inflation push was precisely because

01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:28.400
<v Ivan>oil soared when Russia declared war on Ukraine.

01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:36.540
<v Ivan>I mean, that was one of the side effects. OK, now Biden didn't incite the war

01:36:36.540 --> 01:36:37.860
<v Ivan>between Russia and Ukraine.

01:36:38.060 --> 01:36:41.880
<v Ivan>Biden did everything he could to try to stop the war between Russia and Ukraine.

01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:49.560
<v Ivan>In this case, this idiot launched a war and was like, oh, wait,

01:36:49.820 --> 01:36:51.320
<v Ivan>this might stop the flow of oil?

01:36:51.980 --> 01:36:55.860
<v Ivan>Wait, this might cause oil to rise? All of a sudden, now they're scrambling

01:36:55.860 --> 01:37:00.380
<v Ivan>to try to, you know, fix the problem, okay?

01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:04.820
<v Ivan>Oh, we're going to offer insurance guarantees. Look, let me tell you something.

01:37:04.820 --> 01:37:10.840
<v Ivan>Do you think insurance is going to go and make a company try to sail a fucking

01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:14.300
<v Ivan>boat that might get shot at? The crews won't want to do it.

01:37:14.540 --> 01:37:20.440
<v Ivan>Who the fuck wants to go and sail a fucking oil tanker through a fucking war zone?

01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.980
<v Ivan>Nobody's going to do that. This is idiotic.

01:37:24.660 --> 01:37:27.920
<v Ivan>Vessel traffic from the Strait of Hormuz has dropped like 90%.

01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:33.520
<v Ivan>And unless there is a ceasefire completely agreed upon, it's not going to resume.

01:37:34.020 --> 01:37:35.500
<v Ivan>Another problem that we've got,

01:37:35.580 --> 01:37:40.480
<v Ivan>by the way, is that these idiots had been depleting the SPR last year.

01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.160
<v Ivan>Do you know why these idiots have been depleting the...

01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:43.640
<v Sam>The Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:47.560
<v Ivan>The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, yes. Do you know why these idiots were depleting the SPR?

01:37:47.860 --> 01:37:48.540
<v Sam>Why, Yvonne?

01:37:49.020 --> 01:37:52.820
<v Ivan>Because they were trying to artificially push down oil prices, okay?

01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:57.160
<v Ivan>Because they kept trying to fucking, like, lower inflation, okay?

01:37:57.340 --> 01:38:03.880
<v Ivan>But using it just simply to lower the price of oil. Not because there was an urgency or whatever.

01:38:04.100 --> 01:38:10.020
<v Ivan>Now the SPR has been depleted and now we've got a real shock that they created

01:38:10.020 --> 01:38:13.560
<v Ivan>and the SPR has been significantly depleted.

01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:14.200
<v Sam>Right.

01:38:14.700 --> 01:38:16.440
<v Ivan>So they can't use that.

01:38:17.670 --> 01:38:18.130
<v Sam>Awesome.

01:38:18.670 --> 01:38:26.010
<v Ivan>This is the biggest bunch of fucking morons we have ever had in charge.

01:38:26.370 --> 01:38:33.730
<v Ivan>Makes the George W. Bush administration look like an absolute cadre of geniuses.

01:38:34.150 --> 01:38:34.830
<v Sam>Indeed.

01:38:37.790 --> 01:38:45.150
<v Ivan>It's, I mean, by the way, every fucking jobs report that's come out has,

01:38:45.390 --> 01:38:50.090
<v Ivan>keeps being downward. And I said this recently, downwardly revised. OK.

01:38:50.990 --> 01:38:58.910
<v Ivan>Over the last seven months, America has lost 76,000 jobs. That's the net result.

01:38:59.630 --> 01:39:04.730
<v Ivan>In the last 15 years, there have been only nine months where America has lost jobs.

01:39:06.030 --> 01:39:10.390
<v Ivan>All nine happened to be under Donald Trump. Now, I know it included COVID.

01:39:10.790 --> 01:39:11.170
<v Sam>Yep.

01:39:11.550 --> 01:39:18.710
<v Ivan>But all these since 2025 are not COVID. We've had, think about nine, right?

01:39:19.150 --> 01:39:19.490
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:39:19.990 --> 01:39:25.050
<v Ivan>Since Trump is in office, we've had one, two, three, four, five.

01:39:25.570 --> 01:39:26.610
<v Sam>In his second term.

01:39:26.970 --> 01:39:33.550
<v Ivan>In his second term. Yep. During COVID, we only had four. And now we've had five.

01:39:34.410 --> 01:39:37.930
<v Sam>You know... This is what folks voted for, right?

01:39:38.350 --> 01:39:42.170
<v Ivan>Yes. And by the way, oh, here's another kicker. Check this out,

01:39:42.250 --> 01:39:45.690
<v Ivan>how he wants to solve the price of oil problem, okay?

01:39:45.930 --> 01:39:49.810
<v Ivan>You know, we talk about Ukraine and them helping with things and whatever, whatnot.

01:39:50.550 --> 01:39:54.550
<v Ivan>Skazma sent one on TV with Larry Kudlow, another fucking psychopath.

01:39:55.550 --> 01:40:01.190
<v Ivan>He says that Trump may now lift sanctions on Russian oil to try and reduce oil

01:40:01.190 --> 01:40:02.630
<v Ivan>prices during Trump's war.

01:40:03.170 --> 01:40:10.230
<v Ivan>Huh? How about that? Hey, now let's, hey, let's make the price of oil go up

01:40:10.230 --> 01:40:14.970
<v Ivan>and let's let Russia sell the oil now at the higher price.

01:40:16.710 --> 01:40:17.610
<v Ivan>How's that?

01:40:18.210 --> 01:40:27.590
<v Sam>Sounds good. You know, I'm sure like on his weekly one-on-one with Putin to

01:40:27.590 --> 01:40:30.270
<v Sam>report on his progress, he's able to say some good things.

01:40:30.390 --> 01:40:35.150
<v Ivan>Oh, he's getting excellent marks. Yes, he's getting great grades, of course.

01:40:36.010 --> 01:40:39.830
<v Ivan>You know, I'm sure that the Qataris are, at this point, are really disappointed

01:40:39.830 --> 01:40:41.430
<v Ivan>in their investment, like right now.

01:40:41.530 --> 01:40:45.510
<v Ivan>They give this guy a plane. They give a plane, I don't know,

01:40:45.610 --> 01:40:47.070
<v Ivan>all of this shit, whatever.

01:40:47.410 --> 01:40:54.690
<v Sam>Somebody went through at one point, like, just listing countries and the bribes

01:40:54.690 --> 01:40:56.250
<v Sam>they'd given to Donald Trump, basically.

01:40:56.250 --> 01:41:01.750
<v Sam>either the plane, the investment in Kushner's stuff, buying,

01:41:01.950 --> 01:41:07.490
<v Sam>buying his stupid, like crypto company, like whatever, like,

01:41:07.610 --> 01:41:10.430
<v Sam>and they were just able to like, I, you know,

01:41:11.780 --> 01:41:17.360
<v Sam>tick through like five or six different countries and list the huge amounts

01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:19.900
<v Sam>of dollars that they're funneling towards the Trump family.

01:41:20.120 --> 01:41:25.300
<v Sam>And it's like, oh, well, we're not even usually talking about that because,

01:41:25.500 --> 01:41:29.500
<v Sam>you know, we've long ago determined, oh, well, that's just how it is now.

01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:35.160
<v Ivan>But here's the thing that's worse for them. So you understand that the Qataris

01:41:35.160 --> 01:41:39.420
<v Ivan>and the UAE, Dubai specifically, more than anything.

01:41:39.700 --> 01:41:39.800
<v Sam>Okay?

01:41:40.440 --> 01:41:48.440
<v Ivan>One big economic engine that they've done is the super hubs that they have built for air travel, okay?

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:53.900
<v Ivan>You know, the Qataris with Qatar Airways and then Dubai with Emirates, okay?

01:41:54.280 --> 01:41:58.080
<v Ivan>Well, what the hell do you think has happened in the last fucking week, like right now?

01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:07.000
<v Ivan>So both hubs have had to completely shut down operations. It has stranded hundreds

01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.140
<v Ivan>of thousands of people, okay?

01:42:09.160 --> 01:42:13.360
<v Ivan>I have a friend who had people stranded recently because of this, okay?

01:42:14.100 --> 01:42:17.480
<v Ivan>And many people were stranded there. They couldn't leave.

01:42:17.700 --> 01:42:20.540
<v Ivan>So we're not talking—forget about America's not being able to get home.

01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:27.160
<v Ivan>We're talking about the two of the largest—I mean, the Dubai hub is the largest

01:42:27.160 --> 01:42:29.400
<v Ivan>hub right now in the world, okay?

01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.780
<v Ivan>For global—for international air traffic, okay?

01:42:33.820 --> 01:42:39.080
<v Ivan>and Doha is not far back. They've both been shut down.

01:42:39.400 --> 01:42:45.200
<v Ivan>The negative economic impact of both Dubai and Qatar has been horrific right

01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:47.320
<v Ivan>now at this point for this war.

01:42:47.500 --> 01:42:51.440
<v Ivan>And they don't see how they can reopen right now.

01:42:53.160 --> 01:42:57.480
<v Ivan>Now, I know that they said they tried to do this deal where they said,

01:42:57.540 --> 01:43:03.760
<v Ivan>hey, if they don't use us to shoot at you, then you can't shoot at us deal.

01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:06.680
<v Ivan>That was like this morning, which is part of it because they've been desperately

01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:08.440
<v Ivan>trying to dial this thing down.

01:43:09.500 --> 01:43:12.820
<v Ivan>But I don't know if that's really going to work. Well, like right now.

01:43:12.900 --> 01:43:16.700
<v Sam>I mean, frankly, like if all the Gulf states say you can't, you know,

01:43:17.100 --> 01:43:19.480
<v Sam>you can't do anything on your American basis.

01:43:20.040 --> 01:43:25.660
<v Sam>you know i i don't know that trump would listen he might do it anyway and that

01:43:25.660 --> 01:43:27.820
<v Sam>further deteriorates things right.

01:43:27.820 --> 01:43:29.480
<v Ivan>Um yes you.

01:43:29.480 --> 01:43:33.720
<v Sam>Know like and so i'm not sure they would they're they're in.

01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:37.520
<v Ivan>A hard place well they're yeah they're stuck between a rock and a hard place

01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:40.960
<v Ivan>right now yeah so i suggest that the qataris and the dubai i don't know what

01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:42.100
<v Ivan>the fuck they're gonna buy him now,

01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:50.080
<v Ivan>well um yeah i don't know and it's the problem of trying to do business with

01:43:50.080 --> 01:43:56.080
<v Ivan>trump okay because every deal you get fucked on and they're getting fucked they

01:43:56.080 --> 01:43:59.080
<v Ivan>did these deals they thought yeah yeah yeah we got him we got him we got him

01:43:59.080 --> 01:44:02.700
<v Ivan>our side or whatever and then he always turns around and fucks you anyway of.

01:44:02.700 --> 01:44:07.000
<v Sam>Course i i mean this is one of the things you know,

01:44:08.570 --> 01:44:13.590
<v Sam>The problem, well, there are many, many problems, but when you have Donald Trump

01:44:13.590 --> 01:44:17.850
<v Sam>specifically and the way that he deals with everything transactionally and the

01:44:17.850 --> 01:44:20.490
<v Sam>way where there is no history,

01:44:20.850 --> 01:44:26.270
<v Sam>like there is no, there is no concept of, I shouldn't go back on this deal because

01:44:26.270 --> 01:44:30.350
<v Sam>that will affect the next deal because the next deal doesn't matter right now.

01:44:30.490 --> 01:44:33.970
<v Sam>It's only the current one. And whenever it makes sense for me to go back on

01:44:33.970 --> 01:44:37.590
<v Sam>it, I'm going to go back on it because I'm never thinking.

01:44:38.570 --> 01:44:41.770
<v Sam>That far ahead. I'm only thinking right now.

01:44:41.970 --> 01:44:51.210
<v Sam>And so the whole basis of sort of American soft power over the last century

01:44:51.210 --> 01:44:55.170
<v Sam>was based on fundamentally,

01:44:55.530 --> 01:45:00.030
<v Sam>like, obviously there have been exceptions, but, you know, us keeping our word,

01:45:00.230 --> 01:45:03.330
<v Sam>you know, and across administrations,

01:45:03.770 --> 01:45:06.710
<v Sam>Republican, Democrat, President A, President B doesn't matter.

01:45:06.710 --> 01:45:15.490
<v Ivan>Any diplomacy, any fucking diplomacy in the world ever only really works if

01:45:15.490 --> 01:45:17.710
<v Ivan>people keep to their damn deals.

01:45:18.730 --> 01:45:24.550
<v Sam>Right. Because if you keep going back, I mean, the Iranians specifically,

01:45:25.110 --> 01:45:31.530
<v Sam>like this week, a couple days ago, were asked about whether or not they're ready

01:45:31.530 --> 01:45:34.550
<v Sam>to negotiate with the Trump administration on a ceasefire.

01:45:34.610 --> 01:45:37.490
<v Ivan>No! Who the fuck would believe, you know?

01:45:38.010 --> 01:45:42.870
<v Sam>They're like, we have been negotiating for years. And every time we negotiate

01:45:42.870 --> 01:45:46.410
<v Sam>and we start to think we're getting close to a deal, they bomb us.

01:45:46.890 --> 01:45:48.410
<v Sam>So why would we do it again?

01:45:50.080 --> 01:45:50.660
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:45:51.160 --> 01:45:56.900
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, if anything, the history of negotiations during the Trump administration

01:45:56.900 --> 01:46:02.380
<v Sam>has been like Iran's actually been engaging in the negotiations in good faith.

01:46:02.900 --> 01:46:07.100
<v Sam>The Trump administration is not. They've been using them as delaying tactics

01:46:07.100 --> 01:46:08.640
<v Sam>to get ready to do more bombing.

01:46:09.020 --> 01:46:09.740
<v Ivan>That's right.

01:46:10.020 --> 01:46:14.360
<v Sam>So why the hell would you do that? Why would, why the hell?

01:46:14.540 --> 01:46:21.020
<v Sam>And frankly, it's the same dilemma Zelensky's in, you know, with negotiating with the Russians.

01:46:21.220 --> 01:46:23.880
<v Sam>Why would I negotiate with Russians? They broke the last deal.

01:46:24.240 --> 01:46:28.940
<v Ivan>Well, let me tell you something. Even the Russians, I would believe them more

01:46:28.940 --> 01:46:32.620
<v Ivan>keeping their word on a deal than fucking Donald Trump. Yeah.

01:46:34.260 --> 01:46:39.600
<v Sam>It is a sad state of affairs. Yeah. And, you know, and look,

01:46:40.120 --> 01:46:43.800
<v Sam>you know, last week I said, you know, this is probably going to be the kind

01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:47.400
<v Sam>of thing where something happens and then it dies out in two weeks and we're

01:46:47.400 --> 01:46:48.840
<v Sam>not even talking about it in a month.

01:46:49.580 --> 01:46:53.260
<v Sam>That may still happen, but it seems like the chances are reducing.

01:46:53.700 --> 01:46:58.520
<v Sam>You know, between Israel and Iran, they both want to expand this.

01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:02.160
<v Sam>You know, they both want to make it bigger, not smaller.

01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:08.720
<v Ivan>And Donald Trump's not using— The Iranians gain nothing by making it smaller.

01:47:09.320 --> 01:47:12.540
<v Ivan>It's totally to their advantage to expanding it, okay?

01:47:12.780 --> 01:47:17.280
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, Bibi has been wanting to— They want the Gulf states to feel pain

01:47:17.280 --> 01:47:21.160
<v Sam>so that the Gulf states will push back against Donald Trump and Netanyahu.

01:47:21.160 --> 01:47:21.480
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:47:21.860 --> 01:47:25.200
<v Sam>Correct. You know, and it makes perfect sense.

01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:30.160
<v Sam>And so, like, no, it does not make sense for Iran to back down or capitulate.

01:47:30.420 --> 01:47:34.940
<v Sam>And you get quotes from Hegseth and Trump basically being like, I don't understand.

01:47:35.260 --> 01:47:38.760
<v Ivan>Complete capitulation. Unconditional surrender.

01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:42.620
<v Ivan>By the way, can you explain to me what the fuck unconditional surrender means?

01:47:42.860 --> 01:47:44.320
<v Ivan>Can you explain that to me?

01:47:44.360 --> 01:47:48.500
<v Sam>Yeah, but not only that, they're like, I don't understand why they haven't already surrendered.

01:47:49.540 --> 01:47:52.020
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. They're like confused.

01:47:52.280 --> 01:47:56.560
<v Sam>Yeah. And again, it's that lack of the ability to put yourself in somebody else's shoes.

01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:04.240
<v Sam>But, no, to answer your question, they have almost explicitly said,

01:48:04.420 --> 01:48:07.940
<v Sam>what we want in Iran is what we did in Venezuela.

01:48:08.340 --> 01:48:13.680
<v Sam>We take out the top leader, whoever's second in charge, just decides to cooperate

01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:15.060
<v Sam>with us and do whatever we want.

01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:17.920
<v Ivan>But they killed the second people at charge!

01:48:18.160 --> 01:48:20.020
<v Sam>And a third, and a fourth, and...

01:48:20.020 --> 01:48:21.300
<v Ivan>A fourth, right! So...

01:48:23.820 --> 01:48:25.180
<v Ivan>And we keep bombing them.

01:48:25.260 --> 01:48:25.680
<v Sam>And by the way...

01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:28.520
<v Ivan>There's a difference in Venezuela. By the way, in Venezuela,

01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:30.960
<v Ivan>we didn't go and bomb Venezuela like this.

01:48:31.100 --> 01:48:34.360
<v Ivan>They went in and took Maduro.

01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:35.060
<v Sam>That's it.

01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:40.580
<v Ivan>In this case, we have been bombing the shit out of the country for a week plus.

01:48:40.620 --> 01:48:43.660
<v Sam>We bombed a school full of elementary school girls.

01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:44.180
<v Ivan>Yes!

01:48:44.360 --> 01:48:46.200
<v Sam>We killed like at least 150 of them.

01:48:46.280 --> 01:48:50.880
<v Ivan>We fucking killed 200,000 children for God's sakes. Motherfuckers! Yeah.

01:48:52.030 --> 01:48:57.770
<v Ivan>Look, and I'm sure that we have killed many other thousands more innocent people.

01:48:57.990 --> 01:49:03.530
<v Sam>OK, we are many more. We are not being I mean, obviously, we hit the leadership

01:49:03.530 --> 01:49:04.850
<v Sam>in a fairly targeted way.

01:49:04.990 --> 01:49:08.350
<v Sam>But more generally, we're not being very discriminant.

01:49:08.490 --> 01:49:13.430
<v Sam>And there are reports unconfirmed that we're using A.I.

01:49:13.710 --> 01:49:17.890
<v Sam>shit for targeting, that some of which had inaccurate old information.

01:49:17.890 --> 01:49:22.150
<v Sam>One of the things I heard is that even the targeting of the school may have

01:49:22.150 --> 01:49:25.710
<v Sam>simply been because we had inaccurate information about what was at that location.

01:49:26.650 --> 01:49:34.130
<v Sam>There have been reports where we were going back to like World War One level tactics.

01:49:34.770 --> 01:49:41.350
<v Sam>Iran had painted silhouettes of planes on runways and we bombed the silhouettes of planes.

01:49:42.170 --> 01:49:45.830
<v Sam>OK, where where we spent like here's another.

01:49:45.830 --> 01:49:52.430
<v Ivan>Thing that we did. OK, we fucking said we used a torpedo to sink a fucking ship,

01:49:52.750 --> 01:49:55.270
<v Ivan>OK, which we hadn't used since World War Two.

01:49:55.430 --> 01:50:00.050
<v Ivan>And then we sent this other fucking Iranian warship that was thousands of miles

01:50:00.050 --> 01:50:04.890
<v Ivan>away from the from the war zone and clear violation of international rules of

01:50:04.890 --> 01:50:06.390
<v Ivan>engagement and such kind of things.

01:50:06.390 --> 01:50:11.090
<v Sam>Yeah, two things on that. One, it wasn't just the first sub it wasn't just us

01:50:11.090 --> 01:50:13.850
<v Sam>doing a submarine sinking a ship for the first time since World War Two.

01:50:13.850 --> 01:50:16.930
<v Sam>It's the first time anybody's done that since World War II.

01:50:17.690 --> 01:50:23.550
<v Sam>And then on the other one, it was an Iranian naval ship that had been in India

01:50:23.550 --> 01:50:29.570
<v Sam>for some sort of exercises, exhibition, training, that we also participated in, by the way.

01:50:29.670 --> 01:50:32.410
<v Sam>We were at the same event. Our Navy was.

01:50:32.750 --> 01:50:37.070
<v Sam>In order to participate in the event, the ship had to be completely unarmed.

01:50:37.490 --> 01:50:38.950
<v Sam>And it was just heading home.

01:50:39.610 --> 01:50:41.190
<v Sam>And not just that.

01:50:41.350 --> 01:50:46.330
<v Ivan>I understood, I don't have a confirmed version of this, but apparently after

01:50:46.330 --> 01:50:54.570
<v Ivan>we fucking sank the ship, we did not fucking off aid to the sailors.

01:50:55.010 --> 01:50:55.330
<v Sam>Right.

01:50:55.470 --> 01:50:56.610
<v Ivan>We let them fucking drown.

01:50:57.670 --> 01:50:59.210
<v Sam>I believe that is correct.

01:50:59.330 --> 01:51:02.650
<v Ivan>Yeah. These people are sick.

01:51:03.190 --> 01:51:07.350
<v Sam>This is one of those, are we the baddies moments.

01:51:07.690 --> 01:51:08.950
<v Ivan>And yes, yes, we are. Oh, 100%.

01:51:09.610 --> 01:51:10.050
<v Sam>Yes.

01:51:10.330 --> 01:51:14.030
<v Ivan>And I'm sorry, Hegseth and all the fucking people that authored that should

01:51:14.030 --> 01:51:16.030
<v Ivan>be fucking tried for war crimes.

01:51:17.250 --> 01:51:17.670
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:51:18.270 --> 01:51:21.790
<v Ivan>And they've already done a whole bunch of things to qualify for that shit.

01:51:22.070 --> 01:51:24.230
<v Sam>Yeah. Even before this. And now they're doubling down.

01:51:24.230 --> 01:51:24.510
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:51:24.610 --> 01:51:29.650
<v Sam>Yes, absolutely. You know, and look, we at the same time, just like we had in

01:51:29.650 --> 01:51:35.130
<v Sam>Venezuela, you have like Iranian Americans and celebrating, you know,

01:51:35.210 --> 01:51:36.410
<v Sam>we've overthrown the Ayatollah.

01:51:36.590 --> 01:51:39.770
<v Sam>It was a horrible government. We have Iranians in Iran celebrating.

01:51:40.410 --> 01:51:40.850
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:51:41.070 --> 01:51:44.490
<v Sam>To some degree. And so, you know, there's this argument that,

01:51:44.610 --> 01:51:46.050
<v Sam>well, we got rid of the bad guy.

01:51:46.270 --> 01:51:49.730
<v Sam>So no matter how we did it, it's okay. We got rid of the bad guy,

01:51:49.870 --> 01:51:51.130
<v Sam>both Venezuela and Iran.

01:51:51.630 --> 01:51:59.030
<v Sam>And I think you can't, that's once again, sort of first level thinking you have

01:51:59.030 --> 01:52:01.430
<v Sam>to go beyond that. Yes, you got rid of the bad guy.

01:52:01.970 --> 01:52:09.010
<v Sam>But if you do it in such a way that violates all the norms of how things are

01:52:09.010 --> 01:52:12.770
<v Sam>supposed to be done, and you don't have a plan for what's next.

01:52:12.770 --> 01:52:15.970
<v Ivan>Not just norms not just norms

01:52:15.970 --> 01:52:22.790
<v Ivan>sam laws doing it in a way it not just laws doing it in a way that we are just

01:52:22.790 --> 01:52:29.130
<v Ivan>fucking not giving a shit about innocent people yes we're just going out there

01:52:29.130 --> 01:52:34.730
<v Ivan>in a like in some kind of fucking murderous rage where they think this is fun, Sam.

01:52:35.090 --> 01:52:41.490
<v Ivan>This asshole headset this week shared a fucking video combining footage of the

01:52:41.490 --> 01:52:45.550
<v Ivan>attacks with a fucking goddamn video game, okay?

01:52:46.090 --> 01:52:49.310
<v Ivan>Like, we're playing a goddamn video game over there.

01:52:50.690 --> 01:52:55.210
<v Sam>And, you know, people think like precedents don't matter, but precedents matter.

01:52:55.450 --> 01:53:00.010
<v Sam>We are doing things that we should fully expect at some point.

01:53:00.010 --> 01:53:02.830
<v Ivan>We'll come back to bite us in the fucking ass heart.

01:53:02.830 --> 01:53:06.010
<v Sam>Somebody will do the same thing to us that we just did to them.

01:53:07.610 --> 01:53:12.990
<v Sam>And when we say, oh, it's a terrorist act, they'll be like, it's exactly what you did in our room.

01:53:12.990 --> 01:53:16.370
<v Ivan>Exactly what the fuck we did. Exactly what the fuck we did.

01:53:16.890 --> 01:53:17.330
<v Sam>Yes.

01:53:17.330 --> 01:53:25.710
<v Ivan>We have no, no, no defense whatsoever against, you know, morally,

01:53:26.050 --> 01:53:30.130
<v Ivan>to stand on any moral high ground at all.

01:53:30.430 --> 01:53:34.470
<v Sam>And if you listen to the people in the Trump administration,

01:53:34.470 --> 01:53:37.990
<v Sam>they'd laugh at the mere idea of moral high ground anyway.

01:53:38.250 --> 01:53:44.110
<v Sam>Their whole view of the world is all just about power. And it's what you can

01:53:44.110 --> 01:53:47.630
<v Sam>do and who's stronger. And that's all that matters. I know, I know.

01:53:47.730 --> 01:53:49.290
<v Ivan>That's their, that's their, that's their thought.

01:53:50.450 --> 01:53:50.890
<v Sam>Okay.

01:53:50.970 --> 01:53:53.230
<v Ivan>They're a bunch of disgusting, evil people.

01:53:53.910 --> 01:53:55.490
<v Sam>Shall we close up then?

01:53:55.990 --> 01:53:57.510
<v Ivan>Oh, on that happy note.

01:53:58.110 --> 01:53:59.730
<v Sam>We always end on a happy note.

01:54:00.250 --> 01:54:02.410
<v Ivan>On such a joyous note.

01:54:02.610 --> 01:54:07.550
<v Sam>You know, we, we should put the movies at the end so that we could end it with like.

01:54:07.750 --> 01:54:10.630
<v Ivan>We can, we can sign off on some kind of happy note. Yes.

01:54:10.790 --> 01:54:13.490
<v Sam>It's like, oh, that was an awesome movie. It was fun.

01:54:13.610 --> 01:54:14.290
<v Ivan>It was enjoyable.

01:54:14.630 --> 01:54:16.350
<v Sam>Well, of course, you didn't talk about Batman.

01:54:16.550 --> 01:54:18.150
<v Ivan>And I'm like, fuck, fuck Batman.

01:54:18.730 --> 01:54:21.110
<v Sam>But Hoppers was great, right? It was fun.

01:54:21.330 --> 01:54:22.010
<v Ivan>It was inspiring.

01:54:22.670 --> 01:54:23.170
<v Sam>It was whatever.

01:54:23.370 --> 01:54:25.830
<v Ivan>I tell you all to go watch Hoppers.

01:54:26.110 --> 01:54:27.110
<v Sam>There you go. Great movie.

01:54:27.470 --> 01:54:27.950
<v Ivan>Great movie.

01:54:29.050 --> 01:54:35.490
<v Sam>Okay. So let's wrap this up. Curmudgeons-corner.com. Go there.

01:54:35.790 --> 01:54:37.910
<v Sam>Archives. All the ways to contact us.

01:54:38.250 --> 01:54:43.550
<v Sam>All the fun stuff, including our Patreon, where you can go and give us money

01:54:43.550 --> 01:54:45.270
<v Sam>at various levels. We will mention you on the show.

01:54:45.370 --> 01:54:49.730
<v Sam>We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. We will send you a mug, all that kind of stuff.

01:54:49.910 --> 01:54:53.510
<v Sam>And at $2 a month or more, or if you ask us nicely,

01:54:54.550 --> 01:54:59.010
<v Sam>You will, uh, we will invite you to the convention square slack where Yvonne

01:54:59.010 --> 01:55:02.310
<v Sam>and I, and a bunch of our listeners are sharing things throughout the week,

01:55:02.450 --> 01:55:03.750
<v Sam>chatting, all this kind of stuff.

01:55:04.170 --> 01:55:07.650
<v Sam>Yvonne, do you have a highlight from the slack before we close things up?

01:55:08.290 --> 01:55:13.830
<v Ivan>Uh, a highlight from the slack, a highlight from the slack, right from the slack.

01:55:15.590 --> 01:55:21.370
<v Ivan>Um, uh, let me see. Uh, let's see. Something funny.

01:55:21.970 --> 01:55:27.210
<v Ivan>Something funny. I don't want to, like, uh, I should have been ready.

01:55:28.190 --> 01:55:30.490
<v Sam>Well, we're going to have to dock your pay.

01:55:31.390 --> 01:55:37.730
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. Well, I guess the only thing that I mentioned here that we did

01:55:37.730 --> 01:55:39.530
<v Ivan>that I didn't mention, like, here.

01:55:40.230 --> 01:55:47.590
<v Ivan>Far-right influencer urges followers to vote Democrat and abandon GOP over Iran war.

01:55:48.650 --> 01:55:51.530
<v Ivan>Now, Nick Fuentes, of all fucking people.

01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:58.400
<v Ivan>A right-wing neo-Nazi went on his stream and urged people to vote Democrat.

01:55:58.700 --> 01:56:00.760
<v Ivan>What the fuck world are we in, Sam?

01:56:02.260 --> 01:56:07.060
<v Sam>Yeah. Well, we didn't talk about this aspect of it, and I'm not going to go

01:56:07.060 --> 01:56:10.940
<v Sam>into it long this time, but there are a lot of MAGA folks.

01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:16.120
<v Sam>Tucker Carlson was also apparently desperately on the phone with Trump over

01:56:16.120 --> 01:56:19.600
<v Sam>and over and made several personal visits to try to talk him out of doing this

01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:25.420
<v Sam>in Iran. and has even called him afterwards to say, please, declare victory and go home.

01:56:25.860 --> 01:56:29.240
<v Sam>Stop. Declare victory and go home. And Trump is like, no.

01:56:30.240 --> 01:56:36.820
<v Sam>And all of these other MAGA folks are very... Look, there are a lot of MAGA

01:56:36.820 --> 01:56:39.560
<v Sam>folks very upset that we're going to war in Iran.

01:56:39.660 --> 01:56:43.760
<v Sam>There are a lot of MAGA folks very upset about the Epstein files.

01:56:44.280 --> 01:56:47.760
<v Sam>And this is causing rifts. like

01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:51.240
<v Sam>the biggest rifts we've seen so far now

01:56:51.240 --> 01:56:54.460
<v Sam>you never want to say forever because we

01:56:54.460 --> 01:56:58.840
<v Sam>had so many examples over the years of something that looked like it damaged

01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:03.980
<v Sam>trump and then like a few weeks later they're all back in the fold but these

01:57:03.980 --> 01:57:09.900
<v Sam>are more significant than the other than any we've seen since the access hollywood

01:57:09.900 --> 01:57:13.880
<v Sam>tape i'd say you know in terms of people sort of you know.

01:57:15.700 --> 01:57:21.280
<v Sam>People on his own side chastising trump for what's going on so i don't know

01:57:21.280 --> 01:57:26.920
<v Sam>we'll see and also he's a lame duck so of course they're going to be like splintering off okay yes,

01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:33.040
<v Sam>anything more on that one hey that one wasn't particularly super funny but you know whatever.

01:57:34.380 --> 01:57:38.420
<v Ivan>Well okay the one the one that i'm going to say is a completely oddball one

01:57:38.420 --> 01:57:43.140
<v Ivan>is that i shared that Lexus actually launched an electric Lexus ES.

01:57:43.400 --> 01:57:48.520
<v Ivan>And I don't know if any of you realize, but Lexus has taken the place that Cadillac

01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:53.980
<v Ivan>used to have in American car buyers, the older buyers.

01:57:54.040 --> 01:57:58.740
<v Ivan>We always thought of this old guy driving around in a soft and cushy Cadillac.

01:57:58.880 --> 01:58:00.940
<v Ivan>Well, that's been replaced by the Lexus. Okay.

01:58:01.140 --> 01:58:08.420
<v Ivan>And the ES is the epitome of the old, old Cadillac driver. My father actually

01:58:08.420 --> 01:58:12.020
<v Ivan>drives one now, which is the reason why I know that this is exactly because

01:58:12.020 --> 01:58:15.900
<v Ivan>that was my father used to drive a Cadillac and now he drives a Lexus.

01:58:16.060 --> 01:58:19.240
<v Ivan>So Lexus launched an electric Lexus.

01:58:19.860 --> 01:58:23.640
<v Ivan>But here's the kicker about this. They launched electric, hybrid,

01:58:23.820 --> 01:58:25.760
<v Ivan>plug-in hybrid and gas versions.

01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:29.060
<v Ivan>OK, they launched they're going to strategy that, by the way,

01:58:29.080 --> 01:58:31.460
<v Ivan>the Chinese are doing for cars because that's what they're doing.

01:58:31.460 --> 01:58:34.800
<v Ivan>It's one of the reasons they've been really successful by launching a car,

01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:37.260
<v Ivan>but launching, you know, versions of all different types of fuel.

01:58:37.540 --> 01:58:41.680
<v Ivan>The thing is that the electric car is the cheapest one in their case,

01:58:41.940 --> 01:58:43.540
<v Ivan>instead of the more expensive premium one.

01:58:43.700 --> 01:58:47.940
<v Ivan>They actually made it the cheapest car in the lineup, but not just they made

01:58:47.940 --> 01:58:49.040
<v Ivan>it the cheapest car in the lineup.

01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:54.920
<v Ivan>Unlike Tesla and others, hey, let's make the electric car the super high-performance car.

01:58:55.580 --> 01:59:01.660
<v Ivan>The cheap version of the electric car is, well, by historical standards, it's.

01:59:02.400 --> 01:59:05.740
<v Ivan>Fast enough but it's not it won't

01:59:05.740 --> 01:59:08.660
<v Ivan>it's not it doesn't have the the neck breaking

01:59:08.660 --> 01:59:11.700
<v Ivan>speed that a lot of electrics have but it's fast enough

01:59:11.700 --> 01:59:15.480
<v Ivan>if you get into any regular car right now it's like you know hey it goes through

01:59:15.480 --> 01:59:20.920
<v Ivan>60 in the seven second range which 20 years ago was considered plenty fast it's

01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:24.440
<v Ivan>still plenty fast for most people but it's it's not going to break your neck

01:59:24.440 --> 01:59:28.800
<v Ivan>or whatever but it's relatively cheap that's not something you want.

01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:30.860
<v Sam>In a car you don't want your car to break your.

01:59:30.860 --> 01:59:34.100
<v Ivan>Neck well but sam a lot of electric ev

01:59:34.100 --> 01:59:37.060
<v Ivan>manufacturers seem to help bent on this okay you

01:59:37.060 --> 01:59:41.920
<v Ivan>know i know it's like i mean literally i mean you built these cars zero to 60

01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:45.240
<v Ivan>just a standard car that some mom is going to drive the soccer that can get

01:59:45.240 --> 01:59:49.920
<v Ivan>to 60 miles an hour in under four seconds and i mean literally that will snap

01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:55.260
<v Ivan>your neck back literally and you're like why they don't need this.

01:59:56.020 --> 02:00:00.180
<v Ivan>And by the way, it's a reason why I insist why Tesla has some of the highest

02:00:00.180 --> 02:00:03.000
<v Ivan>death rates of vehicles out there.

02:00:03.180 --> 02:00:06.360
<v Ivan>OK, if you look at Tesla, oh, no, our cars are safest.

02:00:06.540 --> 02:00:10.680
<v Ivan>Listen, accident data bear out and more people get killed in Tesla's and in

02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:15.320
<v Ivan>crashes than almost any cars right now, even though the cars and crash tests do very well.

02:00:15.320 --> 02:00:21.180
<v Ivan>The problem is that because the cars are so fast, they really incentivize people

02:00:21.180 --> 02:00:25.160
<v Ivan>to do shit that they shouldn't be doing with a car and wind up getting into

02:00:25.160 --> 02:00:27.860
<v Ivan>more crashes. It's not that the car is inherently unsafe.

02:00:27.980 --> 02:00:33.720
<v Ivan>If you drove it like driving Miss Daisy very slowly, you probably would be safer than average.

02:00:34.080 --> 02:00:38.500
<v Ivan>But it's just it's just there are certain cars out there like Mustangs,

02:00:38.740 --> 02:00:42.960
<v Ivan>Dodge Chargers or whatever that people get killed at crazy rates. Why?

02:00:43.180 --> 02:00:46.340
<v Ivan>Because they're so fast, they incentivize people to do stupid shit behind a

02:00:46.340 --> 02:00:47.480
<v Ivan>wheel and get themselves killed.

02:00:47.820 --> 02:00:55.620
<v Ivan>And this car is the opposite. Nope. We want luxurious, dull, boring cars.

02:00:56.160 --> 02:01:00.540
<v Ivan>Not slow, but not fast and cheap.

02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:06.980
<v Ivan>And I think, you know, selling this car, when we're talking about that the average car in the U.S.

02:01:07.040 --> 02:01:09.420
<v Ivan>right now is over $50,000.

02:01:10.440 --> 02:01:14.840
<v Ivan>This Lexus electric car starts actually under $50,000. Okay?

02:01:15.060 --> 02:01:18.380
<v Ivan>It's cheaper than a lot of cars. It's far more luxurious than other cars on

02:01:18.380 --> 02:01:23.660
<v Ivan>the street. I think that they probably will sell quite well because they're nice and cheap.

02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:24.940
<v Sam>Right? Okay.

02:01:25.660 --> 02:01:26.560
<v Ivan>So there you go.

02:01:26.780 --> 02:01:30.400
<v Sam>Okay. With that, one last thing for me. I'm going to do my Robin Letter plug.

02:01:31.100 --> 02:01:37.760
<v Sam>Robin Letter on Friday, March 6th, hit 50 users.

02:01:38.060 --> 02:01:39.680
<v Sam>Yay. I'm up to 50.

02:01:40.180 --> 02:01:43.680
<v Sam>43 of which were actually active in the previous seven days.

02:01:44.440 --> 02:01:47.460
<v Sam>And so I want to get that to 100 and then beyond.

02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:54.140
<v Sam>But so if you are listening to this and have not yet gotten a Robin Letter invite,

02:01:54.140 --> 02:01:59.280
<v Sam>email me feedback at robinletter.com I will get you an invite either to one

02:01:59.280 --> 02:02:05.300
<v Sam>of my existing Robins or to a brand new one or to you can make your own whatever

02:02:05.300 --> 02:02:08.200
<v Sam>but you know ping me ping me.

02:02:08.820 --> 02:02:14.940
<v Sam>You want, it's a lot of fun. And I've now, all of the Robins that were created

02:02:14.940 --> 02:02:18.940
<v Sam>either by me or by Yvonne are now getting real updates.

02:02:19.100 --> 02:02:22.620
<v Sam>One of them was having, was a little slow getting started, but they've now all

02:02:22.620 --> 02:02:27.540
<v Sam>got real updates from real people talking about stuff. People are sharing things.

02:02:27.860 --> 02:02:31.300
<v Sam>I've gotten a lot of feedback from people saying that they're enjoying it and

02:02:31.300 --> 02:02:33.920
<v Sam>And it's an interesting new way of doing things.

02:02:34.140 --> 02:02:36.080
<v Sam>So we shall see.

02:02:36.460 --> 02:02:40.800
<v Sam>But definitely, if you haven't gotten on board yet, get on board.

02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:46.560
<v Sam>And I'm especially interested, by the way, in people who are interested in creating

02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:52.320
<v Sam>their own Robins that do not involve me with their own other groups of people.

02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:57.840
<v Sam>Just a reminder, this is slower, sort of an anti-social media thing.

02:02:57.980 --> 02:03:01.760
<v Sam>Keep in touch with your friends. but just these tight groups of people where

02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:06.420
<v Sam>you take turns so that everybody sort of contributes equally and you talk about

02:03:06.420 --> 02:03:08.900
<v Sam>things and you keep in touch with people slowly,

02:03:08.900 --> 02:03:13.880
<v Sam>not with pressure to do it like every day and to capture your attention and

02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:16.360
<v Sam>algorithmically trying to manipulate you. None of that stuff.

02:03:16.820 --> 02:03:21.000
<v Sam>Anyway, up to 50 users. That's pretty good for like, what's it been?

02:03:21.940 --> 02:03:26.080
<v Sam>One, two, three, four, five. I launched on February 15th.

02:03:26.580 --> 02:03:28.940
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's not even. We're not even in a month, three weeks.

02:03:29.360 --> 02:03:36.440
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, 50 users. Congratulations, me. I added comments yesterday.

02:03:37.340 --> 02:03:41.860
<v Sam>No, Thursday. Thursday, I added comments. I did some refinements to it based

02:03:41.860 --> 02:03:45.900
<v Sam>on feedback yesterday or last night as I'm recording this.

02:03:46.300 --> 02:03:50.720
<v Sam>And I have a list of little tweaks and bug things. And I always have those and

02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:51.960
<v Sam>I'm working through those as well.

02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:56.900
<v Sam>but those were the my big batch of new features was being able to edit your

02:03:56.900 --> 02:04:01.740
<v Sam>posts adding comments that you can edit to the next things i'm going to work

02:04:01.740 --> 02:04:05.500
<v Sam>on next big things i'm going to work on are going to be monetization crap so

02:04:05.500 --> 02:04:09.740
<v Sam>we'll see anyway that's it for the show thank you all the.

02:04:09.740 --> 02:04:15.720
<v Ivan>Crap that i the crap that i i tell that i started arguing with sam already sam

02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:17.960
<v Ivan>who needs to make money sam's like.

02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:22.100
<v Sam>The purity of the concept, Yvonne.

02:04:22.360 --> 02:04:23.000
<v Ivan>Right, right.

02:04:23.120 --> 02:04:26.340
<v Sam>No, no, I want it to make money, too. I'm just, like, thinking,

02:04:26.340 --> 02:04:31.480
<v Sam>like, slow, gradual growth and, you know, like, but, yes.

02:04:31.820 --> 02:04:36.140
<v Ivan>I'm like, Sam is, well, maybe we could make a buck here, a buck there.

02:04:36.140 --> 02:04:37.820
<v Ivan>And I'm like, no, millions.

02:04:38.800 --> 02:04:42.300
<v Ivan>What are you talking about? A buck here, there. What the fuck?

02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:52.560
<v Sam>I i hope uh i will be very gratified if yvonne's optimism is correct but uh we shall see optimism.

02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:57.020
<v Ivan>I'm just look you can't turn you know if you target that you're gonna make a

02:04:57.020 --> 02:04:58.880
<v Ivan>buck or two you're only gonna make a buck or two.

02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:06.180
<v Sam>Yeah okay i i owe yvonne some annotations of the deck he put together to pitch

02:05:06.180 --> 02:05:11.480
<v Sam>this to investors so i i will get that done this weekend before i go into surgery

02:05:11.480 --> 02:05:13.620
<v Sam>on Monday. Yeah, I have my final surgery on Monday.

02:05:13.700 --> 02:05:18.820
<v Ivan>Yay! Woo! Surgery! Surgery!

02:05:19.620 --> 02:05:23.960
<v Sam>Yeah, and I'm presuming recovery will be fast and, you know,

02:05:24.080 --> 02:05:26.080
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah. I'll be back to myself in a couple days.

02:05:26.080 --> 02:05:26.860
<v Ivan>Fast and furious! Yeah.

02:05:28.340 --> 02:05:31.560
<v Sam>We don't need to talk about those movies again. Okay, we are out of here.

02:05:32.120 --> 02:05:35.300
<v Sam>Thank you, everybody, for joining us. Stay safe. Have fun. Blah,

02:05:35.400 --> 02:05:38.820
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We'll talk to you next time.

02:05:39.980 --> 02:05:43.080
<v Sam>We'll talk to you next week. Goodbye!

02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:44.140
<v Ivan>Bye!

02:06:15.360 --> 02:06:19.440
<v Sam>Okay, that's it. I'm going to hit stop, and then I'm going to go get some food.

02:06:20.280 --> 02:06:20.720
<v Ivan>Food!

02:06:21.260 --> 02:06:23.780
<v Sam>Yes, food. Food is important. Later.

02:06:24.180 --> 02:06:24.540
<v Ivan>Yes.

