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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Hello. Get this thingy. Here we go. Okay.

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<v Ivan>By the way, you did not respond to my message about me coming to your area.

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<v Sam>That's right.

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<v Ivan>Everybody else did except you.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Not everybody else. Emily has not either. But you did not.

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<v Sam>You are correct, because I got it while I was out, and I meant to,

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<v Sam>once I got home and had my calendar in front of me, block off the time and then respond to you.

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<v Sam>But then by the time I got home, I completely forgot.

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<v Ivan>Of course.

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<v Sam>But it's far enough out, and it's an important enough event.

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<v Ivan>I figured.

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<v Sam>I will.

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<v Ivan>I already booked a hotel near where you live.

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<v Sam>I was going to respond on the Slack that I was shocked that there was any hotel

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<v Sam>establishment closer than Seattle that would meet your standards.

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<v Ivan>I mean, well, I mean, it's not great, but there's a Delta hotel and like a courtyard.

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<v Ivan>I mean, the courtyard actually looked horrible, but I went and I there is this

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<v Ivan>relatively new Delta hotel that those hotels get decent reviews. It doesn't look too bad.

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<v Sam>Okay, okay. Yes, anyway. Yes, it'll be good to see you here. We'll do a thing.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. So, I don't know. I am not convinced that my wife will come out that day

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<v Ivan>simply because of the jet lag, because I know her. Right.

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<v Ivan>So, you know...

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<v Sam>All good.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, I know that I will be, you know, I'll arrive and do something,

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<v Ivan>but, you know, I know my people.

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<v Ivan>And I know last time I went to Seattle, the first thing she did when she got

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<v Ivan>to the hotel was like climbing to bed and not leave for many hours. Yes, basically, yeah.

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<v Sam>Yes. Now, are you actually flying into Everett?

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. We're flying to Seattle.

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<v Sam>Oh, man, you know, it's a cute little airport.

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<v Ivan>There aren't very many flights to there.

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<v Sam>No, I know. To go almost anywhere, you have to do multiple stops on the way.

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<v Ivan>There's no flights.

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<v Sam>You usually have to make multiple stops and pay more. But it's a nice little airport.

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<v Sam>Anyway, shall we go?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay, here it goes.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, February 28th, 2026.

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<v Sam>It's just after 18 UTC as we're getting started. I am Sam Minter.

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<v Sam>Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>I heard a beep.

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<v Sam>Once again, a beep. It's been a long time since you've actually heard them.

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<v Sam>Like, it's not like they've stopped.

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<v Ivan>Well, but I just heard it again. And I just, all of a sudden,

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<v Ivan>just as you finished, all I heard is beep.

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<v Sam>You know, I added, I added to my.

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<v Ivan>You know what? You don't, you don't have a fucking day job right now.

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<v Ivan>You're fucking like changing damn fucking battery.

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<v Sam>I have added to my probabilistic to-do list as a once a week priority one task,

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<v Sam>which means it'll probably actually come up on the agenda once every couple

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<v Sam>of months to identify and remove one beep from the house somewhere.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Now, I believe at the moment there are two beeps going on in the house.

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<v Ivan>Oh, fuck me.

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<v Sam>I think one of them is a smoke alarm, and the other might be related to our alarm system.

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<v Sam>But I'm not actually sure. But I have noticed that there is a beep.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I will be clear that if I was,

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<v Ivan>if beeps had been going on that long and I couldn't,

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<v Ivan>and they weren't fixed, at some point I would find a baseball bat or something

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<v Ivan>and just beat whatever was doing it into submission for it to shut up.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>That would be the solution. Here's the other thing.

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<v Ivan>Look, my, well, the other, but it's not even me.

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<v Ivan>Look, my wife has made me wake up from bed in the middle of the night because

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<v Ivan>one of those has started and basically it's been, you got to stop that right now.

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<v Ivan>And my son also. I imagine by the. It's not like even like, like option.

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<v Ivan>It's not like I could like, ah, I'll be fine.

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<v Sam>I imagine by the time I even notice there is a beep, it's probably already been going for months.

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<v Sam>And then when I notice it, it's like, I'm going up the stairs or something.

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<v Sam>And I'll notice there's a beep while I'm going up the stairs.

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<v Sam>I'm like, oh, there must be a smoke detector somewhere near here.

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<v Sam>Like someday I'll look at that. And then I won't notice when I'm in other parts of the house.

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<v Sam>so I have to be like walking by it when it makes the beep and like unless at

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<v Sam>that very moment I'm in like hey I'm going to take care of beeps mode then I'm not,

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<v Sam>I'll file it away as oh there's a beep and you know it's a very interesting.

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<v Ivan>Mode I'm going to take care of beeps mode interesting,

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<v Ivan>I'm going to take care of beeps.

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<v Sam>Right. And like I said, I just added it to my list.

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<v Sam>And once every few months, it'll probably come up. And I'm sure there'll always

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<v Sam>be a beep somewhere in the house to find out.

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<v Sam>The other day, a task came up that I'd added to change.

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<v Sam>I had noticed one of, we've got like on the back porch, there's like two lights,

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<v Sam>you know, and one of the bulbs had gone out.

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<v Sam>So I added to my to-do list to change that light bulb that had gone out.

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<v Sam>And several months later when it came up and I went out to the back,

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<v Sam>I went to unscrew the bulb and I just touched it and it came back on.

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<v Sam>So I'm like, oh, it just needed to be screwed back in. And I was disappointed

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<v Sam>because I didn't actually get to change a light bulb.

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<v Sam>Now, there are other light bulbs out that I know about, but they haven't come up on my list yet.

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<v Ivan>I, I, I look, if I go up to a light bulb and I managed to like fix it without

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<v Ivan>changing the light bulb, I don't, I don't get disappointed.

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<v Sam>No, I was really excited because, because it was one of, it was one of these

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<v Sam>old fluorescent curly Q type of bulbs.

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<v Ivan>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was going to replace it with an LED bulb.

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<v Ivan>The old curly ones, yeah.

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<v Sam>You know, but it turned back on. The old curly ones.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>It turned back on when I tightened it. So I'm like, oh, oh, well,

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<v Sam>it gets to stay there another few years, maybe.

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<v Ivan>There, there, you know, the, we had...

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<v Ivan>Years ago, we did this, we did some remodeling, not planned.

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<v Ivan>It was, we had this issue where we had this flood.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And because we had to do a whole bunch of construction,

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<v Ivan>the guy that came in to do the work said, hey, you want me to switch out all

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<v Ivan>the hi-hats with LED lights?

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<v Ivan>It's like, what the hell? You know, we're in the middle of it. What the hell? Do it.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And that was when they were more expensive at that time.

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<v Ivan>Because I think each fixture was like $50, $60 each.

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<v Sam>Now they're the norm.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, now, yeah. Now they're, you know.

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<v Sam>Now if you don't want LED, you have to go out of your way to get something else.

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<v Ivan>Right, right. But the one thing

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<v Ivan>that happened with those LEDs that were original, a lot of those failed.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>They were a brand that.

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<v Sam>I mean, I remember.

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<v Ivan>Had a high failure rate.

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<v Sam>Yeah, no, I remember, like, specifically, like, they were, one of the benefits

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<v Sam>that was touted was these things will last a long time, and then it turned out

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<v Sam>a lot of them didn't, and some of them would.

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<v Ivan>They did last a long time.

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<v Sam>Some of them did.

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<v Ivan>But they didn't last as long as they should have, okay? Well, and part of it.

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<v Sam>Like.

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<v Ivan>That brand, but.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes.

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<v Ivan>But wait, let me finish, because I had two brands of LEDs that I had put in.

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<v Sam>And one was better than me.

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<v Ivan>Not in those hi-hats. Yes, one was way better.

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<v Ivan>The ones that were not the hi-hats, I bought a whole bunch of Philips light bulbs.

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<v Sam>Now, remind us what's the hi-hat.

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<v Ivan>Those Philips, the hi-hat are the ones that are embedded on the ceiling, okay?

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<v Sam>Right, right. That are kind of like flush.

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<v Ivan>Okay? They're inside the ceiling. And then the other ones that I bought,

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<v Ivan>these bulbs that were bulbs to replace where there were regular bulbs to stick in bulbs, okay?

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<v Ivan>In other places that were not in the ceiling. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Dough. And that I bought were Phillips.

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<v Ivan>And the Philips, look, I still have, they're 15 years old.

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<v Sam>Well, one of the.

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<v Ivan>Most of them actually did not fail.

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<v Ivan>I actually came that the fixture, in some cases, the fixtures that rusted and

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<v Ivan>the bulbs are still working with the Philips. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So I was replacing the rusted fixtures.

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<v Sam>One of the problems with the first generation of LED bulbs was that they did

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<v Sam>badly in places that heated up.

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<v Sam>So like the ones that were actually in enclosures of one sort or another did

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<v Sam>worse than the ones that had more airflow.

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<v Sam>Now, and they fixed that subsequently. But that was one of the problems in the

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<v Sam>first generation of these things.

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<v Ivan>And I think that, and that may be what happened with the ones in the ceiling

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<v Ivan>itself. They did last eight years, eight, nine, ten years.

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<v Ivan>Okay. But considering that, I had put in the Philips before and none of the

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<v Ivan>Philips had failed. Okay. I mean, none of them.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Okay. I think maybe out of, I put in like 20 of those Philips bulbs,

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<v Ivan>maybe more, one failed. Something like that.

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<v Ivan>Philips knows how to manufacture a fucking bulb.

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<v Ivan>Okay. I'll give them, I'll give them a hug. By the way, Philips is the one that,

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<v Ivan>okay, because these bulbs were invented while I was at HP, okay, by the way.

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<v Ivan>HP is the one that came up with this in HP Labs.

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<v Ivan>The thing is that at some point, all of that was sold to Philips.

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<v Ivan>And then Philips is the first one that actually made these work.

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<v Ivan>Now, everybody else copied them afterwards, but Philips was the first one that

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<v Ivan>made these. So the Philips ones were, they were really rock solid.

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<v Ivan>They were really good, okay? And so the Philips bulbs were the best.

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<v Ivan>Every other brand were cheap knockoffs and...

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<v Ivan>Almost every other brand that I tried was shit except the Philips.

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<v Ivan>And then I got these ones that were from Home Depot or built in.

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<v Ivan>I had to, I think right now at this point I've, I had to replace all.

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<v Ivan>No, I don't think I, I have replaced all of those that were put in, in 2014.

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<v Ivan>So they lasted about 10 years, you know, now they're all replaced with the newer

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<v Ivan>versions that, I'm going to guess that these will last a lot longer because,

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<v Ivan>like you mentioned, they fix the issue with these.

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<v Ivan>Right. That's just a lot of those in that situation where it's in the ceiling,

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<v Ivan>not enough airflow, they heat, they died. Right.

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<v Ivan>But yeah, no, I, but there was one time I went to replace one of them and started

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<v Ivan>working again. I'm like, oh, wait, I was thrilled.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, oh no, I don't have to do it. Good. But you were disappointed.

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<v Sam>I was disappointed because I don't get to change light bulbs that often anymore.

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<v Sam>It was like, you know, okay.

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<v Sam>I was excited. I went out to the back porch. I, you know, and then,

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<v Sam>and then the old one just turned on.

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<v Sam>I mean, I could have replaced it anyway because I was out there,

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<v Sam>but no, I was like, no, it's still working.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, it's working. No, no, leave it, leave it, leave it.

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<v Sam>Yeah, exactly. And also it's not like, it's, it's not one that,

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<v Sam>not that this would affect my decision, but it's, it's not like a,

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<v Sam>what I would call a key light bulb.

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<v Sam>I mean, it was probably out for a year before I even noticed it was out.

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<v Sam>You know, it's like, it's the backyard light.

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<v Sam>We don't use our backyard space very often.

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<v Sam>We turn on the light sometimes to look out to the backyard from inside.

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<v Sam>And there was still, there's like, you know, one bulb on each side of the door.

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<v Sam>And we noticed, and it was the one that was further away.

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<v Sam>And so, you know, unless you were looking from outside, you don't really notice.

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<v Sam>And we weren't looking from outside very often at that. So, but anyway.

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<v Sam>So with this fun, exciting talk about light bulbs.

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<v Sam>Yeah. We're going to do our usual, I guess, and do the...

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<v Sam>Less newsy stuff first. And then, you know, I got a couple of movies.

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<v Ivan>There's no news.

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<v Sam>Oh, you're going to do this thing again? Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Did anything happen?

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<v Sam>Yeah. This is Evod's little routine about how there's no news on weeks where there's clear news.

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<v Ivan>I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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<v Sam>No, nothing.

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<v Ivan>I don't know why you're saying that I'm pretending about this.

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<v Ivan>I don't know. There's news? There's news? What news? What are you talking about?

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<v Ivan>something happened i'm.

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<v Sam>Sure you're talking about the winter olympics.

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<v Ivan>They had they had their closing ceremony

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<v Ivan>since we last talked didn't they something do you realize

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<v Ivan>that i did you know i i am not i used to

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<v Ivan>watch the olympics i am no longer an

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<v Ivan>olympics person right i

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<v Ivan>i just i didn't i don't think i watched a single i did not tune into an olympics

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<v Ivan>channel watch like voluntarily like a single second of the olympics okay yeah

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<v Ivan>i'm finding myself actually.

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<v Sam>I'm finding myself checking to.

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<v Ivan>See did it actually end this week or not or was it like two weeks ago no no

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<v Ivan>no it did no it was this week it was this week okay i mean i you know that's.

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<v Sam>Clearly it that's clearly what you're talking about.

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<v Ivan>No, I woke up and we're at war, Sam.

00:15:21.020 --> 00:15:25.960
<v Sam>I was still awake when that happened. And, you know, so.

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<v Ivan>Well, I was sound asleep.

00:15:29.760 --> 00:15:32.900
<v Sam>We got those extra West Coast hours over here.

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<v Ivan>I had a long week, as I mentioned. I almost got myself killed.

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<v Ivan>I came way too damn close to getting killed this week, Sam. I was not through. I was not.

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<v Sam>You mentioned this on the Slack, but tell our listeners. What happened to you this week?

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<v Ivan>I'll tell the short version, because I know we ran long on light bulbs. But look, very simple.

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<v Ivan>When I travel in most big cities, if I'm in a walking distance of somewhere,

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<v Ivan>I will walk there. I'm not going to take a car. There's no point.

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<v Ivan>Usually the traffic is so bad in big cities that it doesn't make any sense. Okay.

00:16:06.260 --> 00:16:15.780
<v Ivan>So, you know, I, I was, I've, I've walked back and forth to this place many times and, you know,

00:16:16.300 --> 00:16:21.800
<v Ivan>in the Dominican Republic and in the Capitol and Santo Domingo, and it's just that.

00:16:22.770 --> 00:16:27.330
<v Ivan>The traffic is just brutal over there. But the thing is, the cyclists,

00:16:27.450 --> 00:16:29.130
<v Ivan>the motorcycle guys are nuts.

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<v Ivan>And, I mean, they have a reputation for it.

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<v Ivan>They're very, very, very just crazy on the streets.

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<v Sam>Very, very.

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<v Ivan>Gotcha. I mean, it's just, forget about just lane splitting,

00:16:45.750 --> 00:16:47.570
<v Ivan>cutting, running red lights, whatever.

00:16:47.950 --> 00:16:53.610
<v Ivan>They will do it all, okay? They just don't care. and at very high speeds.

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<v Ivan>So, look, I was crossing the street in one place where traffic had stopped,

00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:00.090
<v Ivan>crossing the streets over here.

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<v Ivan>The cars aren't exactly like giving way anyway either, okay?

00:17:03.790 --> 00:17:05.190
<v Ivan>They don't really like to give way.

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<v Ivan>So the traffic had stopped, and I was on the phone talking to my wife,

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<v Ivan>and I am at the middle of this intersection waiting for traffic to pass,

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<v Ivan>and I see that the traffic had slowed down, but cars had stopped so I could weave through the cars.

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<v Ivan>I said, I tell my wife, listen, hang on one second, because I didn't want to

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<v Ivan>be on the phone talking as I'm

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<v Ivan>crossing the street. I wanted to be paying attention to what I'm doing.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, just hang on one second. So I put the phone down like I had,

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<v Ivan>like by my ear and I put it down like by my by by my waist.

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<v Ivan>So so I'm not I'm not on the phone. I didn't want to hang up.

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<v Ivan>So I'm I crossed the streets, three lanes. I crossed the first and the second one.

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<v Ivan>I'm in front of a stopped car and cars were moving on the third one and a car

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<v Ivan>over there stopped to let me through.

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<v Ivan>OK, so there was a. big SUV behind me, and I looked to see if a motorcycle's

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<v Ivan>coming, and I didn't see one, but this guy was coming up so fast that as I went across,

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<v Ivan>this motorcycle was coming through, and I had walked in. I realized it's coming.

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<v Ivan>I literally have this guy's cyclist face in front of me less than a few inches,

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<v Ivan>and I did manage to jump back out and not get hit by the motorcycle.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>That was too close for comfort.

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<v Sam>I can imagine.

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<v Ivan>Way too close for comfort.

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<v Sam>If you remember, not a motorcycle, but in my family, there were at least two

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<v Sam>pedestrian versus car accidents over the last, I don't know.

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<v Sam>Oh, it's been a while now. But a few years back, a car, my dad was crossing

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<v Sam>the street and had just stepped off the curb and a car ran over his foot.

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<v Sam>out you know as it was you know turning around

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<v Sam>the corner where he i mean he was crossing at an intersection

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<v Sam>with you know the the walk light for

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<v Sam>pedestrians on and then um my

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<v Sam>mother-in-law just like two years ago was crossing

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<v Sam>the street at a crosswalk in front

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<v Sam>of her church and and a

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<v Sam>car just barreled right into her like you know

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<v Sam>she was she was in the hospital for like a while

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<v Sam>for that and recovering for months after

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<v Sam>that and and i don't i don't know

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<v Sam>what the story was with the guy who ran over my dad's foot

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<v Sam>but the guy who was who who hit my mother-in-law um was paying attention to

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<v Sam>a baseball game on the radio and not looking at what was in front of him and

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<v Sam>speeding as he passed by this church nice.

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<v Ivan>Not bad no i i mean in my case i i walk very defensively which is why i don't i don't i'm not on.

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<v Sam>My you know presumably the guy presumably the guy in the motorcycle was doing

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<v Sam>something wrong right he was he was going too fast the.

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<v Ivan>Guy was like lane oh yeah the guy was like speeding and lane splitting and speeding

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<v Ivan>at a very high I rate a speed, and if I remember correctly, he also ran a red light!

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<v Sam>Oh, excellent, excellent.

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<v Sam>Was it a hit and run? Did he leave? Well, he didn't hit you. He almost hit you.

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<v Ivan>He didn't hit me. Oh, he just kept going. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay. Well, as I said on the curmudgeon's corner slack, I'm glad you're not dead.

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<v Ivan>But like I said, one thing, look, all I said about that incident,

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<v Ivan>the one thing that would have really made it way, way, way worse is,

00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:43.660
<v Ivan>look, if my wife, if that guy hit me, right, my wife is listening to this as it's happening, right?

00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:44.280
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>And she's a thousand miles away. I cannot imagine the ridiculously helpless

00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.380
<v Ivan>feeling that she would have if that happened.

00:20:53.620 --> 00:20:54.920
<v Sam>Right. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, if she doesn't hear it, it's not as bad.

00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:05.920
<v Ivan>But I just thought this couldn't have been any worse if I got hit. Okay?

00:21:06.520 --> 00:21:06.880
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So, thank God that, you know, but that's the reason why I usually try to be

00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:19.350
<v Ivan>very, like, I'm not, I don't, you know, she called me.

00:21:19.450 --> 00:21:22.570
<v Ivan>I don't try to be walking and being on, when I'm walking streets like that,

00:21:22.670 --> 00:21:24.010
<v Ivan>I'm not walking and being on the phone.

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<v Ivan>Okay? I don't do that. I'll take a phone call like my wife called me,

00:21:27.350 --> 00:21:29.470
<v Ivan>but I try usually not to even do that. Okay?

00:21:29.770 --> 00:21:35.410
<v Ivan>But, you know, look, I'm traveling. You know, it's hit and miss when we can,

00:21:35.570 --> 00:21:38.930
<v Ivan>like, you know, because she called me. I believe I called her because I had

00:21:38.930 --> 00:21:41.950
<v Ivan>been in a meeting and she tried to call me a couple of hours earlier and I couldn't

00:21:41.950 --> 00:21:43.290
<v Ivan>talk to her. So I was like calling her back.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>You know, so it's one of those things. But but I but I usually try to like if

00:21:47.790 --> 00:21:51.770
<v Ivan>I'm walking in the city streets like that, I'm like not on my phone. No, no.

00:21:52.070 --> 00:21:55.250
<v Ivan>It's just you know, you have to be you have to be paying attention,

00:21:55.410 --> 00:21:58.530
<v Ivan>especially in these cities where traffic is is crazy.

00:21:58.710 --> 00:22:02.090
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, it's you know, it's crazier than here.

00:22:02.330 --> 00:22:04.730
<v Ivan>And so, yeah. So, you know, you want to be mindful.

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<v Sam>Well, speaking of close calls, traffic in cities, et cetera,

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<v Sam>this seems like a good opportunity to once again tell the story of when I first came to Seattle.

00:22:19.310 --> 00:22:23.110
<v Sam>like I've mentioned

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<v Sam>this before I'm sure but it was I think I'd already interviewed and I'd gotten

00:22:31.330 --> 00:22:40.050
<v Sam>a job here but I was going to be in temporary housing and so the bottom line was.

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<v Sam>The, when I got my rental car, they were out of like regular old sedans or whatever.

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<v Sam>And they gave me like, I forget what it was, whether it was,

00:22:55.860 --> 00:23:02.120
<v Sam>I think it was in, in my head, it was a pickup truck, but it may have been like a, an SUV or something.

00:23:02.260 --> 00:23:07.700
<v Sam>Remember this was 20 some years ago, but whatever, it was a bigger vehicle than I was used to.

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<v Sam>Okay. And so I had found, like, my hotel or whatever, and it was brand new to the city, and, like,

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:27.520
<v Sam>I'd found a place to park, whatever, and I was getting out of the truck in order

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<v Sam>to, you know, go check into my hotel or whatever.

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<v Sam>i i i had yeah and it was i'm trying to remember it if like it wasn't a it didn't

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<v Sam>have like a place to pull up to check in it was like a i don't know i parked

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<v Sam>across street or something or may i i forget the details anyway i had parked

00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:49.000
<v Sam>on the street and was getting out of the truck,

00:23:50.740 --> 00:23:58.960
<v Sam>and i was unused to the size of the truck so i went to step out of the truck Oh, boy.

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<v Sam>And the ground was not where I expected it to be.

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<v Ivan>Ah, right.

00:24:04.100 --> 00:24:07.700
<v Sam>Okay. So I basically fell out of the truck.

00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:09.240
<v Ivan>You fell out of the truck. Okay.

00:24:09.560 --> 00:24:12.540
<v Sam>And I stumbled forward several feet. Okay.

00:24:13.210 --> 00:24:19.370
<v Sam>And I missed getting squashed by a bus by less than five inches.

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<v Ivan>Nice!

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<v Sam>Like, I saw the bus go vroom right in front of my face, like an inch or two away from my face.

00:24:28.990 --> 00:24:35.490
<v Sam>And, like, you know, that would have been the end of my Seattle adventures if

00:24:35.490 --> 00:24:39.470
<v Sam>I had stumbled one or two inches further at that moment.

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<v Sam>It would have been all done. it would not have been survivable I would have

00:24:45.290 --> 00:24:56.650
<v Sam>been done lovely and I was of course extremely traumatized but completely unhurt but like it was,

00:24:57.770 --> 00:24:58.870
<v Sam>probably,

00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:08.470
<v Sam>the closest call in my life to a life ending traumatic event like that that's

00:25:08.470 --> 00:25:12.930
<v Sam>very sobering There might have been another health issue when I was a teenager,

00:25:12.930 --> 00:25:16.490
<v Sam>like I was in the hospital for some asthma stuff and apparently it was touch

00:25:16.490 --> 00:25:18.990
<v Sam>and go for a while, but I barely remember that.

00:25:19.350 --> 00:25:26.170
<v Sam>This was like, I fell out of a damn truck and was inches away from getting clobbered

00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:31.130
<v Sam>by a bus, you know, that was going at, you know, full city bus speed.

00:25:31.250 --> 00:25:34.150
<v Sam>I mean, it wasn't like, you know, going highway speeds or anything,

00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:39.990
<v Sam>but it was quite enough that I would not have survived that incident if it had

00:25:39.990 --> 00:25:41.330
<v Sam>just been a couple inches different.

00:25:41.550 --> 00:25:48.550
<v Sam>And so, yes, it was very sobering. It was like I was quite shaken for the rest of that evening.

00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:56.110
<v Ivan>Well, you're here, so we both are here, so there you go. So we've managed to make it so far.

00:25:56.210 --> 00:25:57.610
<v Sam>20-plus years later, I'm still here.

00:26:00.310 --> 00:26:01.850
<v Ivan>How shall we do your movies?

00:26:02.090 --> 00:26:07.510
<v Sam>Well, let's do movies before we go to war. Well, we already went to war,

00:26:07.570 --> 00:26:12.870
<v Sam>but before we talk about going to war, the most recent war-like adventures from

00:26:12.870 --> 00:26:14.890
<v Sam>our wonderful president. Okay.

00:26:16.750 --> 00:26:19.350
<v Ivan>War-like? War-like?

00:26:20.350 --> 00:26:21.350
<v Sam>Well you know.

00:26:21.350 --> 00:26:26.410
<v Ivan>I don't i don't i don't i don't see it as war like it's it's it's it's pretty

00:26:26.410 --> 00:26:28.530
<v Ivan>it's pretty actual war not.

00:26:28.530 --> 00:26:31.570
<v Sam>War like the thing is and we

00:26:31.570 --> 00:26:35.810
<v Sam>we can talk about this when we actually hit the subject but we

00:26:35.810 --> 00:26:43.150
<v Sam>have yet to see like to me there's we have it's unfortunate but we almost have

00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:51.170
<v Sam>to start making the distinction between the events that sort of last a few days

00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:52.790
<v Sam>or a week and then are done.

00:26:53.210 --> 00:26:56.230
<v Sam>Oh, I see what you're saying. Versus, you know.

00:26:56.390 --> 00:27:03.630
<v Ivan>So how many days is it a skirmish versus a war? So Ukraine is a war. Ukraine is a war.

00:27:03.930 --> 00:27:07.170
<v Sam>But like, did Venezuela turn out to be a war?

00:27:07.330 --> 00:27:07.590
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

00:27:07.590 --> 00:27:09.770
<v Sam>I mean, it was basically over in a couple hours. No.

00:27:10.510 --> 00:27:14.390
<v Ivan>Right. Venezuela's not a war. Yeah. It's a skirmish. Not a war. Yeah.

00:27:14.390 --> 00:27:21.690
<v Sam>Now, was it an act of war, according to international law? Absolutely.

00:27:22.450 --> 00:27:24.210
<v Sam>But was it a war? But it's not a war.

00:27:24.370 --> 00:27:31.330
<v Ivan>I mean, but not yet. Not yet. Not yet, Sam. I mean, you know. Anyway.

00:27:31.930 --> 00:27:38.010
<v Sam>Anyway. Okay. Movies. First up, from 2002, Blade II.

00:27:38.930 --> 00:27:46.250
<v Ivan>Is that with what's his name the tax the tax uh tax guys snipes right yes yes

00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:53.330
<v Ivan>why can't i remember his name i remember just about my head now it's he's always the tax guy and.

00:27:53.330 --> 00:27:58.270
<v Sam>A while ago we talked about me watching blade the original this is the sequel.

00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:03.470
<v Ivan>Well for for those that don't know okay because i call him the tax guy wesley

00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:07.630
<v Ivan>snipes got this brilliant financial advisor that basically told,

00:28:07.930 --> 00:28:10.910
<v Ivan>that basically convinced them that he should declare himself,

00:28:11.070 --> 00:28:12.210
<v Ivan>I think, a sovereign citizen,

00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:14.410
<v Ivan>basically that he didn't own any taxes.

00:28:15.030 --> 00:28:22.150
<v Ivan>And so he filed to get a tax refund for all the taxes that he had filed in two

00:28:22.150 --> 00:28:25.010
<v Ivan>years prior, tens of millions of dollars.

00:28:25.210 --> 00:28:30.330
<v Ivan>The IRS did not take this lightly and basically went after him.

00:28:30.490 --> 00:28:32.470
<v Ivan>And then he hadn't filed other taxes.

00:28:32.670 --> 00:28:36.890
<v Ivan>So they went after him criminally and threw him in jail for tax evasion.

00:28:37.490 --> 00:28:40.590
<v Sam>Okay. Yes. This is him.

00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:45.010
<v Ivan>But it's the kind of stuff that doesn't happen to our president who does the same thing. But anyway.

00:28:45.610 --> 00:28:46.090
<v Sam>Anyway.

00:28:46.630 --> 00:28:48.330
<v Ivan>Only two black guys.

00:28:49.450 --> 00:28:54.190
<v Sam>Now, Blade is technically a Marvel property, but this is.

00:28:54.310 --> 00:28:54.890
<v Ivan>It is?

00:28:56.030 --> 00:29:00.310
<v Sam>Yes, I believe that we had discussed this last time we talked about this.

00:29:00.390 --> 00:29:02.730
<v Ivan>Fuck if I know that I don't know any of these things.

00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:08.990
<v Sam>But this is not part of the MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

00:29:09.330 --> 00:29:13.250
<v Sam>But Blade was a Marvel Comics character.

00:29:14.090 --> 00:29:19.710
<v Sam>And I believe Alex and I were watching this as going systematically through

00:29:19.710 --> 00:29:25.290
<v Sam>Marvel-based movies, of which another was your favorite Howard the Duck.

00:29:26.030 --> 00:29:27.810
<v Sam>So, also Marvel.

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.760
<v Ivan>I still can't believe that's a horrible movie. Don't understand.

00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:36.980
<v Sam>Also not MCU, though.

00:29:37.780 --> 00:29:38.080
<v Ivan>Right.

00:29:38.780 --> 00:29:47.320
<v Sam>Anyway, some of you may remember, I'm pretty sure I gave no better than a thumb

00:29:47.320 --> 00:29:50.420
<v Sam>sideways to the original movie and probably a thumbs down.

00:29:51.060 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Sam>These do not get better, I don't think, as you go along through the series.

00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.280
<v Ivan>But they actually, didn't they do well at the box office?

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.060
<v Sam>They did fine, I think. Box office.

00:30:04.060 --> 00:30:10.100
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, I know he did a couple of these. I'm looking it up. 57% Rotten Tomatoes.

00:30:10.100 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Sam>This one made $80 million in the U.S.

00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.140
<v Ivan>And Blade II.

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:17.640
<v Sam>That's not a huge amount, but it's, you know.

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.560
<v Ivan>Well, no, but a U.S. But look, here's the thing. It's a low-budget movie.

00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:26.760
<v Ivan>Blade II, $54 million budget, which considering where budgets are for movies,

00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Ivan>it's pretty low budget. But 155 million total box office. Yeah, not that bad.

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Sam>Yeah. Anyway, it's the kind of movie like, well, let me give the first couple

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.280
<v Sam>paragraphs of the plot like I usually do.

00:30:44.020 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Sam>Again, from Wikipedia. In Prague,

00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:52.320
<v Sam>Blade searches for his mentor, Abraham Whistler, who is thought dead after being

00:30:52.320 --> 00:30:54.560
<v Sam>attacked by Deacon Frost, but

00:30:54.560 --> 00:30:59.040
<v Sam>was instead turned into a vampire and held prisoner by them for two years.

00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:05.080
<v Sam>After interrogating Vampire Rush on Whistler's whereabouts, Blade rescues Whistler

00:31:05.080 --> 00:31:07.120
<v Sam>and cures him of his vampirism.

00:31:07.540 --> 00:31:12.020
<v Sam>Whistler meets Scud, Blade's young, gifted new technician.

00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:14.320
<v Ivan>Vampirism? Vampirism?

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:17.420
<v Sam>Vampirism, vampirism, yeah.

00:31:19.450 --> 00:31:20.070
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:27.270
<v Sam>A pandemic is turning vampires into reapers, primal mutant creatures with a

00:31:27.270 --> 00:31:28.810
<v Sam>ravenous thirst for blood.

00:31:28.970 --> 00:31:30.690
<v Ivan>So that's how we got RFK.

00:31:32.530 --> 00:31:37.930
<v Sam>And a highly infectious bite that transforms both humans and vampires alike.

00:31:38.190 --> 00:31:43.390
<v Sam>The original carrier of the reaper strain and cause of the pandemic is Jared

00:31:43.390 --> 00:31:47.310
<v Sam>Nomak, who bears hatred towards the vampire race.

00:31:48.110 --> 00:31:55.070
<v Ivan>Are you sure this isn't a historical thing? If I use this to explain some of

00:31:55.070 --> 00:31:56.910
<v Ivan>the shit we're going through, this explains a lot.

00:31:57.370 --> 00:32:06.250
<v Sam>Uh-huh. To combat the Reapers, vampire overlord Eli Demeskinos sends his trusted

00:32:06.250 --> 00:32:10.990
<v Sam>servant Assad and his daughter Nissa to strike a truce with Blade.

00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:14.130
<v Sam>knowing humans will be the reaper's next target after

00:32:14.130 --> 00:32:19.670
<v Sam>vampires blade reluctantly allies himself with them and it continues look my

00:32:19.670 --> 00:32:25.410
<v Sam>basic complaint about this one and probably why it still did decently is the

00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:30.370
<v Sam>same thing that i believe we talked about last week on like the last allegiant

00:32:30.370 --> 00:32:34.010
<v Sam>one and it's like it's like 100 percent,

00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:44.610
<v Sam>Move from like one violent action fight scene to a few seconds of exposition

00:32:44.610 --> 00:32:49.270
<v Sam>to the next violent fight scene to, you know, and.

00:32:49.270 --> 00:32:53.870
<v Ivan>The whole point of the movie is the violent, the violent scenes.

00:32:53.870 --> 00:32:55.090
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean...

00:32:55.090 --> 00:32:57.990
<v Ivan>It's not really the plot. Well, let's just... Listen, let's just...

00:32:58.830 --> 00:33:03.170
<v Ivan>Let's just kind of, like, sprinkle some kind of semblance of a plot here,

00:33:03.330 --> 00:33:06.090
<v Ivan>just for an excuse for a whole bunch of action scenes.

00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:10.670
<v Sam>Yes. I mean, and look, it's not all violence. There's also chase scenes.

00:33:11.590 --> 00:33:17.950
<v Ivan>Oh, and chase... Well, you gotta chase the person to get to the violence.

00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:23.670
<v Sam>Yes, yes. And there's also... Okay, as I...

00:33:23.870 --> 00:33:31.690
<v Sam>As a former physics major, there was also, these are vampires who are sensitive,

00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:35.990
<v Sam>of course, to like sunlight and such. Yeah.

00:33:36.270 --> 00:33:36.410
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:43.670
<v Sam>And so, but one of the things they had in this movie was basically sunlight grenades.

00:33:44.270 --> 00:33:50.570
<v Sam>Okay. These things would go off and it would basically produce a bright light.

00:33:51.270 --> 00:33:51.990
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:33:51.990 --> 00:33:59.050
<v Sam>And then the vampires would die exposed to this bright light and the other creatures

00:33:59.050 --> 00:34:01.290
<v Sam>that were in this as well. The Reapers.

00:34:01.610 --> 00:34:02.770
<v Ivan>Sunlight grenades.

00:34:03.310 --> 00:34:04.810
<v Sam>But here's the thing.

00:34:05.930 --> 00:34:07.150
<v Ivan>There's a thing.

00:34:07.950 --> 00:34:13.450
<v Sam>The light from these grenades went around corners.

00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:15.190
<v Ivan>Whoa! No!

00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:23.570
<v Sam>And like, it's basically just a really bright flashlight.

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Ivan>That manages to go around corners.

00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:32.180
<v Sam>It goes around corners. I mean, it's like the light would explode,

00:34:32.180 --> 00:34:34.600
<v Sam>like a regular explosion, but it was just light.

00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:39.580
<v Sam>But light does not go around corners. Light goes straight.

00:34:40.100 --> 00:34:43.820
<v Sam>I mean, it'll bounce off mirrors and stuff, but that's not what was happening here.

00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Sam>They were in the sewers under some Eastern European city, and they would set

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.680
<v Sam>it off, and the light would expand out.

00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:58.980
<v Sam>By the way, not at the speed of light. It wouldn't be just like turning on a flashlight.

00:34:59.020 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Sam>It would go vroom and expand out from wherever this grenade went off and go around corners.

00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:11.500
<v Sam>And every time this was happening, I was pausing the movie and complaining to

00:35:11.500 --> 00:35:14.320
<v Sam>Alex about how light wouldn't behave that way.

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.540
<v Sam>And all these are are bright flashlights. So why is it happening this way?

00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:24.640
<v Sam>And then they were like, you know, they had, I don't know.

00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:30.220
<v Sam>It bugged me. It bugged me. That was a thing in this movie.

00:35:30.540 --> 00:35:33.580
<v Sam>And no, it was. Anyway.

00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.200
<v Ivan>It does sound idiotic. Look, I love that this thing.

00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:42.700
<v Ivan>Look, there's one thing. I was looking at Wikipedia page on this.

00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:46.060
<v Ivan>I love this blurb. Okay. This is a fantastic blurb.

00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:48.380
<v Ivan>There's a video game released on this.

00:35:48.620 --> 00:35:50.100
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. All right.

00:35:51.180 --> 00:35:56.180
<v Ivan>Here's the blurb. This is the best blurb. Okay. It's just, there's a single

00:35:56.180 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Ivan>line about this in the Wikipedia review. Video game.

00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Ivan>A video game, Blade II, was released for PlayStation 2 and Xbox on September 3rd, 2002, period.

00:36:05.740 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Ivan>Reviews were generally negative.

00:36:07.940 --> 00:36:08.460
<v Sam>Okay.

00:36:13.770 --> 00:36:19.830
<v Ivan>There you go you know yeah you know there is apparently a third this is about

00:36:19.830 --> 00:36:24.150
<v Ivan>vampires so there's vampires third movie by the way yes.

00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:24.710
<v Sam>I have not.

00:36:24.710 --> 00:36:25.170
<v Ivan>Yet seen.

00:36:25.170 --> 00:36:26.490
<v Sam>The third movie so don't spoil.

00:36:26.490 --> 00:36:29.410
<v Ivan>It no I'm not no no no I'm not gonna go with spoilers I'm gonna go into revenue

00:36:29.410 --> 00:36:32.010
<v Ivan>because you know what we talked about with Divergent how they started doing

00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:36.350
<v Ivan>worse and worse each time yes they did increase the budget a little bit to 65

00:36:36.350 --> 00:36:41.230
<v Ivan>million but the box office was down like 20 million to 132 million but still,

00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:43.390
<v Ivan>considering, you know,

00:36:44.070 --> 00:36:49.070
<v Ivan>movies and how they go now and spend $300 million on a movie only to get $300

00:36:49.070 --> 00:36:52.450
<v Ivan>million in revenue, I would guess that for a studio, they're like, yeah,

00:36:53.270 --> 00:36:55.070
<v Ivan>it's not bad. You know?

00:36:55.510 --> 00:37:00.250
<v Ivan>Hey, this works. We can work with this. Exactly.

00:37:00.950 --> 00:37:02.970
<v Ivan>They also made Blade the series.

00:37:03.850 --> 00:37:09.050
<v Ivan>Man, I tell you what, I've never seen something more milked.

00:37:09.510 --> 00:37:12.670
<v Sam>I'm guessing the TV series is toned down a little. This had,

00:37:12.810 --> 00:37:18.890
<v Sam>you know, in addition to lots of violence, and they made it graphic and gory

00:37:18.890 --> 00:37:24.130
<v Sam>violence in many cases, there's also, you know, lots of swearing.

00:37:24.610 --> 00:37:28.910
<v Sam>Basically, Wesley Snipes is being a badass and, you know, doing the thing.

00:37:29.630 --> 00:37:35.590
<v Sam>There's not, it's like, I was going to say sex stuff, but it's not like real sex.

00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:40.470
<v Sam>It's not like, it's not even rated R, right? This thing's rated PG-13, I think, probably.

00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:44.630
<v Ivan>By the way, speaking of how movies going downwards.

00:37:44.990 --> 00:37:45.530
<v Sam>Yes.

00:37:46.230 --> 00:37:50.910
<v Ivan>The previous one had like Rotten Tomatoes. Blade 2 was like,

00:37:50.990 --> 00:37:54.070
<v Ivan>I think it looked like 50, 60 Rotten Tomatoes approval.

00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:57.990
<v Ivan>Okay. So I went to Blade, the third one, the Blade Trinity.

00:37:58.410 --> 00:37:58.570
<v Sam>57.

00:37:59.270 --> 00:38:04.470
<v Ivan>57. On the Rotten Tomatoes, the film has a 24% approval rating.

00:38:04.470 --> 00:38:08.290
<v Ivan>So this thing basically just, just like went off for number three.

00:38:08.970 --> 00:38:10.730
<v Ivan>Yeah. For number three, it's just.

00:38:10.910 --> 00:38:12.810
<v Sam>You know, I'm looking forward to that one then.

00:38:14.700 --> 00:38:21.200
<v Ivan>It basically is just driving off a cliff in terms of, you know,

00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:25.740
<v Ivan>this goes with a little bit of, like, how I know that he must have done it for

00:38:25.740 --> 00:38:28.520
<v Ivan>the money, the guy that did the Bourne film.

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Ivan>Well, he did it for the money, I'm sure. But it's the same thing as,

00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Ivan>like, with the Jason Bourne films, where, what's his name, that did the Bourne films.

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.980
<v Ivan>He said at one point, and I'm like, he declined at one point to do a movie,

00:38:42.020 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Ivan>and somebody else did it instead of him. And he said, man, look,

00:38:46.140 --> 00:38:48.560
<v Ivan>they came to me. Let's do another one of these.

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Ivan>I was just like, man, what are we going to call it? The Bourne redundancy?

00:38:52.700 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Ivan>I mean, what the hell? It's the same shit over and over.

00:38:56.980 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Ivan>We keep milking this for, you know, to no end. Okay.

00:39:01.220 --> 00:39:02.980
<v Ivan>You know, enough. Enough.

00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:06.120
<v Sam>Okay. So.

00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.940
<v Sam>Thumb it down? Well, since we decided to be more graduated.

00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:18.820
<v Sam>Halfway between thumbs sideways and thumbs down. I'm not going to give it a

00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:20.220
<v Sam>straight up thumbs down.

00:39:20.520 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Ivan>You're a thumb angled down, but not straight down.

00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:32.680
<v Sam>Yes, exactly. And because like I'm reserving straight down for the worst of the worst.

00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Sam>And this isn't quite that bad.

00:39:35.160 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Ivan>This isn't quite that bad.

00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:44.680
<v Sam>But I would certainly not recommend this movie unless what we have described

00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:47.160
<v Sam>here, like, is the kind of thing you like.

00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:55.560
<v Ivan>You just want, like, some kind of, like, hey, I need my fix of graphic violence

00:39:55.560 --> 00:39:59.140
<v Ivan>and some sexual innuendo on TV.

00:39:59.560 --> 00:40:00.240
<v Sam>Right.

00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Ivan>I'm bored. I can't find anything else. Where can I find this? Oh, Blade!

00:40:06.180 --> 00:40:06.820
<v Sam>Too,

00:40:09.060 --> 00:40:22.040
<v Sam>exactly okay next up next up from 2025 which we actually saw in the theaters a Minecraft movie oh.

00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Ivan>I've watched this.

00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.460
<v Sam>You've watched it okay okay yes so mine.

00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:29.600
<v Ivan>Who likes Minecraft we went to see the movie yes.

00:40:29.600 --> 00:40:33.200
<v Sam>So let's get your thoughts first then what did you think of it,

00:40:34.250 --> 00:40:35.830
<v Sam>Now, let me ask.

00:40:36.050 --> 00:40:40.730
<v Ivan>Okay, I'll give the short, brief summary because it was a while back when I watched it.

00:40:40.890 --> 00:40:45.190
<v Sam>Also, give, what is your experience with the game?

00:40:45.410 --> 00:40:48.950
<v Sam>Like, how much have you played yourself? I know Manu's played a little bit.

00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:50.190
<v Sam>How much have you played?

00:40:50.810 --> 00:40:55.530
<v Ivan>I mean, I've played some, you know. I mean, I've played with them, you know.

00:40:55.710 --> 00:41:01.450
<v Sam>But you're not, like, deeply familiar with the Minecraft lore and things like that.

00:41:01.450 --> 00:41:07.430
<v Ivan>Lore itself lore well I know all the characters like all the little like creeper

00:41:07.430 --> 00:41:13.950
<v Ivan>you know I know all the you know I recognize all the things that appeared in

00:41:13.950 --> 00:41:20.170
<v Ivan>the movie I don't know about the lore itself probably not but you know let me.

00:41:21.390 --> 00:41:30.030
<v Sam>Get a basic like level set did you understand what was happening when they had

00:41:30.030 --> 00:41:34.410
<v Sam>the Technoblade cameo or did you recognize DanTDM when he was on the screen?

00:41:35.150 --> 00:41:35.630
<v Ivan>No.

00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:40.010
<v Sam>Okay. See? So you're not deeply enough.

00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:42.370
<v Ivan>I'm familiar. No, no, I'm familiar.

00:41:42.450 --> 00:41:48.210
<v Sam>This is two YouTubers who, like, one was referenced and one made a cameo.

00:41:48.630 --> 00:41:51.290
<v Ivan>No, no, no. And there were some others. Like I said, I'm, like,

00:41:51.490 --> 00:41:55.550
<v Ivan>familiar with it, but I'm not. No, I'm not. No.

00:41:55.890 --> 00:41:59.370
<v Ivan>Not even close. But, look, I found a movie.

00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:00.670
<v Ivan>Me, personally, I'll give the

00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:04.110
<v Ivan>preview. because you just saw it more recently. I liked it. It was fun.

00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:06.990
<v Sam>Well, I saw it when it was in the theaters. So like, you know,

00:42:07.090 --> 00:42:08.970
<v Sam>I couldn't have seen it that much more recently than you.

00:42:09.490 --> 00:42:13.750
<v Ivan>Well, I thought it was, you know what? It was a fun movie. I liked it.

00:42:14.300 --> 00:42:19.500
<v Sam>I'm going to agree. Thumbs up from me as well. And I am like, it wasn't.

00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:24.660
<v Ivan>I was surprised. I thought it was going to suck. I thought it was a terrible idea.

00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.660
<v Ivan>How the hell are they going to make a whole fucking movie about Minecraft was what I was thinking.

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Ivan>And I came out, and maybe that helped, but I came out very pleasantly surprised.

00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.660
<v Ivan>I said, hey, this was fun.

00:42:37.060 --> 00:42:42.380
<v Sam>Mine would like it too. And I wasn't surprised about making a movie out of Minecraft

00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:50.500
<v Sam>because I've watched many an animated thing on YouTube that's in Minecraft, you know, fully.

00:42:50.740 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Sam>What I was dubious about was the fact that this mixes real life and Minecraft.

00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:56.520
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:56.700 --> 00:43:00.820
<v Sam>As opposed to really being an animated thing completely within the world of Minecraft.

00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:04.600
<v Sam>Instead, it, you know, it starts out in the human world and then they move into

00:43:04.600 --> 00:43:11.200
<v Sam>Minecraft and, you know, and it's sort of a weird hybrid and they sort of acknowledge

00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:13.940
<v Sam>the gaminess of it as well. Yes.

00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Sam>And so it doesn't take itself super seriously.

00:43:17.560 --> 00:43:23.460
<v Sam>No, no. I haven't given the actual plot, so let me read the first couple paragraphs there, too.

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.040
<v Sam>Struggling doorknob salesman Steve breaks into a mine to fulfill a childhood

00:43:28.040 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Sam>dream, where he discovers the orb of dominance and the Earth crystal.

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Sam>When combined, they create a portal that transports him to the overworld,

00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:40.080
<v Sam>a world where the terrain is made of easily manipulated cubes.

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:44.380
<v Sam>He builds his own paradise and later stumbles across a porter to a hellish world

00:43:44.380 --> 00:43:49.720
<v Sam>called the Nether. He is imprisoned by Malgosha, the gold-obsessed piglin ruler

00:43:49.720 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Sam>of the Nether who gravely discourages creativity.

00:43:52.680 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Sam>Because the orb would allow her to control the overworld, Steve has his dog

00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:02.220
<v Sam>Dennis escape with the orb and crystal and hide them under his bed in the real world.

00:44:02.550 --> 00:44:08.150
<v Sam>Some time later, 1980s video game champion Garrett the Garbage Man Garrison

00:44:08.150 --> 00:44:12.310
<v Sam>owns a failing video game store in Chuglas, Idaho.

00:44:12.710 --> 00:44:16.850
<v Sam>He heads to a storage auction to acquire items to sell for cash,

00:44:17.370 --> 00:44:20.090
<v Sam>ultimately winning the contents of Steve's old house.

00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:24.430
<v Sam>While searching through the items, particularly hoping to find an Atari Cosmos,

00:44:24.710 --> 00:44:30.310
<v Sam>he instead finds Steve's old belongings, including the orb and crystal, dot, dot, dot.

00:44:30.310 --> 00:44:36.990
<v Sam>But anyway, a couple kids and that guy end up, you know, also following into

00:44:36.990 --> 00:44:41.070
<v Sam>the overworld, into the world of Minecraft and having adventures,

00:44:41.310 --> 00:44:43.570
<v Sam>rescuing Steve, etc. Sorry, spoilers.

00:44:44.610 --> 00:44:52.870
<v Sam>And anyway I agree it surprised me for being a lot of fun was it perfect?

00:44:53.250 --> 00:44:58.250
<v Sam>No there were things I could quibble with as someone who has followed some of

00:44:58.250 --> 00:45:06.930
<v Sam>the Minecraft stuff I liked the cameos I haven't watched all the like there are a whole bunch of,

00:45:08.570 --> 00:45:11.850
<v Sam>YouTubers that were did cameos let me.

00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:19.250
<v Sam>There we go. So cameos are of YouTubers.

00:45:19.930 --> 00:45:25.290
<v Sam>DanTDM, who I mentioned, who Alex watched tons of DanTDM when he was younger.

00:45:25.530 --> 00:45:31.610
<v Sam>Not anymore, really, but I'll occasionally put it on because I miss DanTDM.

00:45:31.710 --> 00:45:34.370
<v Sam>I watched it, too, because Alex was watching it.

00:45:36.170 --> 00:45:39.870
<v Sam>Apmow, who I don't know. MumboJumbo, who we watched a bunch of as well.

00:45:39.870 --> 00:45:47.350
<v Sam>mumbo jumbo is a a minecraft redstone youtuber he made makes all kinds of contraptions

00:45:47.350 --> 00:45:54.570
<v Sam>out of out of redstone in minecraft and does some other things too and apparently he didn't make a,

00:45:55.470 --> 00:46:01.410
<v Sam>i guess he he did make a cameo but he also helped design some of the the redstone

00:46:01.410 --> 00:46:04.990
<v Sam>mechanisms in the game to make sure that in the movie to make sure they were

00:46:04.990 --> 00:46:09.070
<v Sam>match the game ld shadow lady i didn't really watch a lot of her,

00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:10.310
<v Sam>but I would recognize her.

00:46:11.250 --> 00:46:17.030
<v Sam>And one of the developers of Minecraft, who's one of their spokespeople when

00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:20.110
<v Sam>they have events, announcing new features and stuff, made a cameo as well.

00:46:20.370 --> 00:46:24.130
<v Sam>And I mentioned Technoblade. Technoblade was a YouTuber who died.

00:46:24.510 --> 00:46:29.490
<v Sam>Died very young of cancer. He was a Minecraft YouTuber. Very big Minecraft YouTuber.

00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:34.330
<v Sam>And they included a cameo of his character.

00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:39.690
<v Sam>Walking across the street and made a little Just made a little statement to

00:46:39.690 --> 00:46:42.030
<v Sam>him. And like, I caught all those references.

00:46:42.810 --> 00:46:46.070
<v Ivan>And so I don't know. I'm not. Right. I'm not that, you know.

00:46:46.350 --> 00:46:49.750
<v Sam>And so, like, I recognize the people. I was like, oh, there's Dan.

00:46:50.230 --> 00:46:53.850
<v Sam>And oh, that's the Technoblade reference. I never really watched Technoblade

00:46:53.850 --> 00:46:57.470
<v Sam>channel, but I knew who he was and I knew the reference and I knew it was coming, etc.

00:46:57.470 --> 00:47:03.450
<v Sam>And so I appreciated all that because I mentioned they didn't take themselves

00:47:03.450 --> 00:47:07.750
<v Sam>seriously at all, but they also treated it with some respect.

00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:14.310
<v Sam>So that if you played the game a lot and had all this background,

00:47:14.310 --> 00:47:19.870
<v Sam>you would appreciate it and not be like, oh man, they're completely messing it all up.

00:47:20.130 --> 00:47:24.010
<v Sam>They didn't mess it all up. They did it fairly well.

00:47:24.010 --> 00:47:27.130
<v Sam>and so yeah I enjoyed it I think there's I

00:47:27.130 --> 00:47:30.130
<v Sam>think there's going to be a sequel yep talks for

00:47:30.130 --> 00:47:34.090
<v Sam>a potential sequel began a few days after release looks

00:47:34.090 --> 00:47:39.450
<v Sam>like the release date of the sequel is going to be in 2027 so yeah I'll you

00:47:39.450 --> 00:47:45.690
<v Sam>know it was fun I liked it thumbs up even more thumbs up if you have sort of

00:47:45.690 --> 00:47:52.070
<v Sam>followed YouTube followed Minecraft on YouTube specifically and watched like,

00:47:52.430 --> 00:47:53.810
<v Sam>you know, some of, you know,

00:47:54.270 --> 00:47:59.450
<v Sam>I mean, there's everything from Minecraft music videos to whole stories that

00:47:59.450 --> 00:48:02.370
<v Sam>were done animated in Minecraft and all this kind of stuff.

00:48:02.370 --> 00:48:08.350
<v Sam>And if you followed like some of the long running sort of adventure series where

00:48:08.350 --> 00:48:13.610
<v Sam>people are playing the game, but sort of acting out an adventure within it on YouTube.

00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:17.450
<v Sam>You appreciate it even more, I think, if you followed some of that stuff.

00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:21.370
<v Sam>But even if you haven't, I think it was, it was just a fun little movie.

00:48:21.370 --> 00:48:24.150
<v Sam>So there you go. Thumbs up to a Minecraft movie.

00:48:24.660 --> 00:48:27.400
<v Sam>Yeah okay so all right

00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.620
<v Sam>ready for break and then i guess we can talk war

00:48:30.620 --> 00:48:37.120
<v Sam>and destruction and you know i only had two aside from movies and tv that i

00:48:37.120 --> 00:48:42.580
<v Sam>added to the list this week the only two other things on our list were the violence

00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:47.740
<v Sam>in mexico and iran oh fuck that's the only two things that got.

00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Ivan>Because of course, you know, to hell, Jesus Christ.

00:48:52.300 --> 00:48:57.700
<v Sam>Yes. Okay. But we'll, we'll be back after, uh,

00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:00.860
<v Sam>after this one.

00:49:38.470 --> 00:49:42.130
<v Sam>Okay. So, Iran or Mexico?

00:49:42.710 --> 00:49:45.590
<v Sam>Where do you want to start? Or do you want to throw a curveball and talk about

00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:49.450
<v Sam>something else entirely? Let's talk about Iran. And then save those for the next segment. Okay.

00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:55.810
<v Sam>So, as we are, I'm going to caveat like I often do with breaking news events.

00:49:56.090 --> 00:49:59.030
<v Sam>We are recording this Saturday.

00:50:00.330 --> 00:50:03.610
<v Sam>And Saturday, February 28th, as I mentioned at the beginning.

00:50:04.450 --> 00:50:09.010
<v Sam>This is an ongoing news event as we are, right, speaking.

00:50:09.390 --> 00:50:12.570
<v Sam>There are still attacks going on. Iraq.

00:50:13.250 --> 00:50:16.950
<v Sam>Iran is counterattacking. Things are happening.

00:50:17.490 --> 00:50:20.730
<v Sam>The events of the day are going to overtake us.

00:50:20.870 --> 00:50:27.230
<v Sam>By the time you listen to this, things will have changed since,

00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:29.990
<v Sam>you know, midday Saturday U.S. time.

00:50:30.110 --> 00:50:33.030
<v Sam>It's in the afternoon for Ivan. It's right before noon for weeks.

00:50:33.030 --> 00:50:34.790
<v Ivan>Why are we doing this again, Sam? For me here on the West Coast.

00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:39.550
<v Sam>I ran bad, Alex. No, you're not Alex.

00:50:43.310 --> 00:50:50.670
<v Sam>i i get you you you all confused all the time i get the dog confused i you know

00:50:50.670 --> 00:50:55.270
<v Sam>luckily my family doesn't mind when i accidentally call them by the dog's name

00:50:55.270 --> 00:50:59.430
<v Sam>they get amused when i call the dog we need to you.

00:50:59.430 --> 00:51:02.970
<v Ivan>Know we need to send you out to pasture you know you know just like we did with

00:51:02.970 --> 00:51:05.610
<v Ivan>biden because you you keep getting names confused.

00:51:05.610 --> 00:51:12.010
<v Sam>Once i'm in that pasture with the cows i am sure Or I will call one of them Yvonne.

00:51:12.570 --> 00:51:15.710
<v Ivan>Probably. So why are we doing this again?

00:51:16.750 --> 00:51:21.210
<v Ivan>No, look. What the fuck?

00:51:21.410 --> 00:51:24.790
<v Ivan>Sam, what the fuck are we doing? Listen, this is just another.

00:51:25.010 --> 00:51:35.810
<v Sam>It looks fairly clear that what Trump and or the people behind Trump that have been pushing for this.

00:51:35.950 --> 00:51:36.150
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:51:36.770 --> 00:51:42.370
<v Sam>They're straight up after regime change. Like, this is not...

00:51:42.370 --> 00:51:43.910
<v Ivan>Oh, come on. Look.

00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:46.250
<v Sam>Now, whether or not they succeed is another question.

00:51:46.250 --> 00:51:47.050
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:48.680
<v Ivan>No.

00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:51.160
<v Sam>You think it's all just distraction from Epstein or whatever?

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:57.680
<v Ivan>Are you fucking kidding me? I literally said on the Slack two weeks ago,

00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Ivan>literally asked, when are we attacking Iran?

00:52:01.520 --> 00:52:05.640
<v Sam>Well, the talk of us attacking Iran has been going on for months anyway.

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:06.040
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

00:52:06.340 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Sam>And Israel's been pushing it. Well, okay.

00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:11.240
<v Ivan>Listen, listen.

00:52:12.860 --> 00:52:15.500
<v Sam>The specific timing may be influenced.

00:52:15.520 --> 00:52:18.080
<v Ivan>One thing you just said is the biggest one. Israel, obviously,

00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.860
<v Ivan>has been goading Trump to attack Iran.

00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:29.280
<v Ivan>They have, this has been, I mean, Bibi has wanted this.

00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:35.220
<v Ivan>But also, by the way, why does Bibi want to attack Iran? What's the primary reason?

00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:38.220
<v Sam>Oh, is he also trying to stay in office?

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.580
<v Ivan>No! And stay out of jail? No, you got, don't say, Sam!

00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:46.740
<v Sam>No, but I don't want to listen. Wait, wait.

00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Sam>I don't like saying these words myself either. But to be fair to Bibi,

00:52:52.040 --> 00:52:54.340
<v Sam>he's wanted to go after I ran for decades.

00:52:54.660 --> 00:53:03.060
<v Ivan>True, true, true. But but also as an extra motivation that this is that that is that does help.

00:53:05.070 --> 00:53:12.270
<v Sam>Yeah. Oh, yeah. None of this hurts. I'm sure the timing was probably influenced by stuff we need.

00:53:12.470 --> 00:53:16.050
<v Ivan>I think that's the main thing. It's the whole timing.

00:53:16.430 --> 00:53:22.990
<v Ivan>Why now? And I think it has to do more with trying to divert and distract from

00:53:22.990 --> 00:53:27.650
<v Ivan>all the other shit going on, both in Israel and the United States,

00:53:27.850 --> 00:53:31.110
<v Ivan>than anything else. Because we're in the middle of negotiations with Iran.

00:53:31.290 --> 00:53:33.490
<v Ivan>When we're talking, we're doing a whatever.

00:53:33.710 --> 00:53:36.130
<v Ivan>And you know what? We just go, ah, fuck it. We're bombing them.

00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:43.390
<v Sam>Well, I'm not sure how much of those negotiations was ever really in good faith anyway.

00:53:43.510 --> 00:53:46.910
<v Ivan>Well, Sam, how could they be in good faith in the first place?

00:53:47.210 --> 00:53:50.970
<v Ivan>Listen, this entire thing has been a charade from the beginning.

00:53:51.130 --> 00:53:59.870
<v Ivan>Look, like Tim Kaine I just said, we had a deal with these guys. and we broke it.

00:54:00.770 --> 00:54:08.090
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and look, in terms of what, you know, I said that the sort

00:54:08.090 --> 00:54:15.610
<v Sam>of nominal, all the language they're using is more aligned with regime change than anything else.

00:54:15.930 --> 00:54:22.770
<v Sam>But in terms of like what's actually likely to happen, I feel like,

00:54:22.950 --> 00:54:27.010
<v Sam>you know, maybe they'll get lucky and do something like they did in Venezuela.

00:54:27.010 --> 00:54:30.010
<v Sam>Sam, let me ask a question. But I think it's more. Wait, wait, wait.

00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:31.970
<v Ivan>Let me finish the thought. Let me finish the thought.

00:54:31.970 --> 00:54:32.090
<v Sam>Let me finish the thought.

00:54:32.110 --> 00:54:33.570
<v Ivan>For you about the regime change thing.

00:54:33.710 --> 00:54:33.810
<v Sam>Okay, okay, okay.

00:54:33.910 --> 00:54:37.710
<v Ivan>When you say regime change, what do you think it means for them?

00:54:39.510 --> 00:54:45.910
<v Sam>I really don't think they think any further than let's get rid of the one or two people at the top.

00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:53.130
<v Ivan>So it's just, hey, let's just topple it and then whatever happens, happens. Okay.

00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Sam>Pretty much.

00:54:55.660 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Ivan>Sounds like a brilliant plan.

00:54:56.900 --> 00:55:03.740
<v Sam>Sam. I honestly don't think they think multiple steps ahead in terms of this kind of stuff.

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:09.260
<v Sam>It doesn't seem like they did in Venezuela. No. I don't think they would here, too.

00:55:09.620 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Sam>I mean, when experts are talking about, like, what happens in Iran,

00:55:13.700 --> 00:55:20.620
<v Sam>like, they're like, hey, let's say they succeeded and they killed the Ayatollah today.

00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:21.460
<v Ivan>Uh-huh.

00:55:21.460 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Sam>And what is the most likely result of that?

00:55:25.540 --> 00:55:32.560
<v Sam>It is not, oh, wow, suddenly a democracy springs up tomorrow that's friendly to the West.

00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.580
<v Sam>No, most likely you get years of chaos.

00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.740
<v Ivan>By the way, I just opened an article in the New York Times talking about this.

00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:43.740
<v Ivan>Let me read this sentence here.

00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Ivan>This is from an article that says, Netanyahu takes a shot at regime change in Iran.

00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:56.040
<v Ivan>I'll give you this line. Nothing would burnish the legacy of Mr.

00:55:56.200 --> 00:56:01.100
<v Ivan>Netanyahu, Israel's longest-serving prime minister, more than toppling the Islamic

00:56:01.100 --> 00:56:07.300
<v Ivan>Republic, which he has likened to Hitler's Germany and ending its nuclear program for good.

00:56:09.200 --> 00:56:10.100
<v Ivan>How about that?

00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Sam>Well, and look, and honestly, if he succeeded, he might be right.

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:21.820
<v Sam>I mean, and this is the thing, too. Like, and this is the same kind of argument

00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:23.980
<v Sam>we were having about Venezuela as well.

00:56:24.980 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Sam>Let's assume, like, well, let's not assume.

00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Sam>Well, OK, for the sake of argument, let's say everything about this goes perfectly for Donald Trump.

00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:44.740
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. You know, we have limited to no American casualties.

00:56:45.540 --> 00:56:50.740
<v Sam>Civilian casualties aren't that big, although I've seen some unconfirmed reports

00:56:50.740 --> 00:56:53.160
<v Sam>that we may have hit a school by mistake.

00:56:53.620 --> 00:56:55.200
<v Sam>You know, I don't know if it's true or not.

00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Sam>Fog of war kind of stuff. We'll know more eventually.

00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:05.260
<v Sam>But let's assume limited American casualties, limited civilian casualties.

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:08.540
<v Sam>We decapitate the iranian government it falls

00:57:08.540 --> 00:57:15.200
<v Sam>and we get a good friendly government that is good on human rights and likes

00:57:15.200 --> 00:57:20.080
<v Sam>the west and blah blah blah i mean we're talking about like the the heir of

00:57:20.080 --> 00:57:23.720
<v Sam>the shah coming back he's one of the people that's been agitating lately in

00:57:23.720 --> 00:57:25.820
<v Sam>in iran well i mean the shah was.

00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:30.080
<v Ivan>Another dictator and a brutal dictator anyway i mean what the hell man it's

00:57:30.080 --> 00:57:34.420
<v Ivan>not exactly like, you know, like, the Shah was like this benevolent guy.

00:57:37.140 --> 00:57:40.220
<v Sam>What can I tell you? Anyway, so...

00:57:41.030 --> 00:57:47.810
<v Sam>Assume everything goes well. Then, yes, Donald Trump will get some accolades

00:57:47.810 --> 00:57:52.590
<v Sam>for doing something that ended up turning out positively.

00:57:52.970 --> 00:57:55.770
<v Sam>Now, it may not, but let's assume it does.

00:57:55.970 --> 00:58:01.270
<v Sam>It is still completely and totally illegal for him to have done it.

00:58:01.630 --> 00:58:07.410
<v Ivan>It is? Oh, so the checks and balances will now come into play, right?

00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:13.450
<v Sam>There, yeah, there's been no, Congress has not authorized this in any way,

00:58:13.610 --> 00:58:15.450
<v Sam>let alone an actual declaration of war.

00:58:15.590 --> 00:58:18.050
<v Sam>He hasn't done any selling of this.

00:58:18.270 --> 00:58:23.310
<v Sam>I mean, he had the State of the Union a few days ago and did not talk about,

00:58:23.490 --> 00:58:28.010
<v Sam>he did not make a case for doing something against Iran at the State of the Union.

00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:32.970
<v Sam>I think he may have mentioned it, but not extensively. It wasn't like a major theme.

00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:38.470
<v Sam>If you poll the American public, support for us taking this kind of action is

00:58:38.470 --> 00:58:41.150
<v Sam>incredibly low. But he's doing it anyway.

00:58:42.430 --> 00:58:48.450
<v Sam>And that's just domestic stuff. Internationally, it also does not meet any of

00:58:48.450 --> 00:58:52.930
<v Sam>the requirements for a legal action as far as international law is concerned.

00:58:53.150 --> 00:58:56.330
<v Sam>Of course, we don't give even the slightest crap about that.

00:58:58.950 --> 00:59:05.190
<v Sam>But nevertheless, this is the kind of thing where, I mean, remember how conflicted,

00:59:05.330 --> 00:59:10.790
<v Sam>you know, when we talked about Venezuela, you're like, yes, Sam,

00:59:10.890 --> 00:59:13.770
<v Sam>he's doing it illegally, but somebody needed to do this.

00:59:14.230 --> 00:59:19.350
<v Sam>And there are a lot of people who are going to feel the same way about Iran. Yeah.

00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:26.500
<v Sam>whether or not like this goes into, I mentioned the positive scenario.

00:59:26.780 --> 00:59:32.620
<v Sam>Of course, the worst case negative scenario is an ongoing Middle East war that

00:59:32.620 --> 00:59:37.140
<v Sam>spirals out of control and consumes multiple countries. But I think the most

00:59:37.140 --> 00:59:40.240
<v Sam>likely scenario is neither of those.

00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:46.200
<v Sam>The most likely scenario is, you know, they've said this campaign is going to last days, not hours.

00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:53.300
<v Sam>I've heard like four or five days of intensive bombing and such of the country. We're going to do that.

00:59:54.260 --> 00:59:59.780
<v Sam>We're going to kill a few high-profile people. I saw there were initial reports

00:59:59.780 --> 01:00:02.880
<v Sam>that maybe we got the Supreme Leader, but it seems like, no,

01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:06.280
<v Sam>we probably didn't. He was evacuated. He's fine, probably.

01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:10.300
<v Sam>But we did get a couple of high-ranking people, and we'll probably get more

01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:13.220
<v Sam>before we're done. But we've done that before.

01:00:13.720 --> 01:00:18.780
<v Sam>And you remember, it was just a few months ago where we supposedly completely

01:00:18.780 --> 01:00:20.960
<v Sam>eliminated their nuclear capability anyway.

01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Ivan>Yeah, what happened?

01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:22.900
<v Sam>I mean, Donald Trump said so.

01:00:23.060 --> 01:00:26.480
<v Ivan>Did they go with the day? Wow, they're so good, Sam.

01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:32.720
<v Ivan>They managed to, after we completely, completely wiped out their nuclear capability,

01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.580
<v Ivan>Sam, they managed to rebuild it in just a few months. They're incredible.

01:00:36.740 --> 01:00:41.300
<v Sam>Well, somebody in the Trump administration did an interview where he once again

01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:44.500
<v Sam>said they were one week away from making weapons.

01:00:45.550 --> 01:00:51.550
<v Sam>Which, of course, wait, but I thought we completely destroyed all their capabilities

01:00:51.550 --> 01:00:55.650
<v Sam>and made it so they couldn't even think of rebuilding anything for decades.

01:00:55.870 --> 01:00:56.230
<v Ivan>Right.

01:00:56.530 --> 01:00:59.870
<v Sam>But apparently a few months later, we're one week away again.

01:01:00.730 --> 01:01:06.570
<v Sam>And so and look, bottom line is there's no trustworthy narrator here.

01:01:07.030 --> 01:01:10.410
<v Sam>So, you know, what's the real situation on the ground?

01:01:11.230 --> 01:01:15.470
<v Sam>Fucked if I know, you know, because you certainly can't trust.

01:01:15.550 --> 01:01:17.430
<v Sam>anything the Trump administration is saying.

01:01:17.550 --> 01:01:21.430
<v Sam>You certainly can't say anything. You can't trust anything Netanyahu is saying.

01:01:21.730 --> 01:01:24.510
<v Sam>You can't trust anything the Iranians are saying either.

01:01:25.170 --> 01:01:26.850
<v Sam>So who the hell knows?

01:01:27.130 --> 01:01:28.110
<v Ivan>Who the hell knows?

01:01:28.130 --> 01:01:34.930
<v Sam>You know, but at the same time, yeah, I feel like the most likely scenario is

01:01:34.930 --> 01:01:38.890
<v Sam>once again, we engage in a military campaign. It lasts a few days. There's some damage.

01:01:39.090 --> 01:01:46.090
<v Sam>But basically, we end up not really changing substantially the facts on the ground.

01:01:46.410 --> 01:01:51.730
<v Sam>That's the most likely scenario. And I don't know, we repeat this again in another six months?

01:01:52.600 --> 01:01:57.720
<v Sam>I don't know. I mean, it could go the way that everything goes Donald Trump's

01:01:57.720 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Sam>way and we have a completely changed Iran in a few months,

01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:08.460
<v Sam>or it could go the way where we have the regional war that drags on for years.

01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:13.320
<v Sam>Either of those could happen, too. But I feel like the most likely is just we

01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:18.600
<v Sam>bomb them for a few days and then a week or two from now, we're not even talking about it anymore.

01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:21.260
<v Sam>Just like we're not talking about Venezuela much anymore.

01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:26.640
<v Ivan>You know, about the... The only positive thing that I could say about the Trump

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Ivan>administration for the first Trump administration was that they never got us

01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.220
<v Ivan>into any major conflict like this. OK.

01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:40.420
<v Ivan>And and and and and and and look, look now, look, look at this shit.

01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.100
<v Ivan>I mean, look now. It's just I mean.

01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:49.340
<v Sam>I just to be clear, having having previewed the next three years,

01:02:49.520 --> 01:02:51.740
<v Sam>this is absolutely nothing compared.

01:02:52.600 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Sam>to the land war in Greenland coming up soon.

01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:01.140
<v Ivan>Listen, yeah, well, of course. So what are we finding? Fighting polar bears, I guess.

01:03:03.040 --> 01:03:09.500
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, is that what we're doing? I'm like, you know, it's,

01:03:10.540 --> 01:03:17.620
<v Ivan>He's got now this taste for bombs, if you haven't noticed.

01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:23.960
<v Ivan>He likes just unleashing his bombs and the airplanes and showing them off.

01:03:24.520 --> 01:03:28.600
<v Ivan>So this is going to escalate, unfortunately.

01:03:29.220 --> 01:03:31.480
<v Ivan>He's going to be doing this more and more.

01:03:34.040 --> 01:03:40.180
<v Sam>Well, frankly, it's just like tariffs. Once he finds a toy that he figures out

01:03:40.180 --> 01:03:41.600
<v Sam>the levers to play with it.

01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:49.640
<v Sam>And he knows if I do this, I can drive the news cycle. I can get attention. I can get this.

01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:50.540
<v Ivan>I can get that.

01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.420
<v Sam>I can use this as leverage.

01:03:56.720 --> 01:04:01.780
<v Ivan>This will drive the news cycle the direction I wanted to be driven in.

01:04:01.900 --> 01:04:04.920
<v Ivan>This has nothing else to do with anything else, Sam.

01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:11.700
<v Ivan>Nothing. Not regime change, not nothing. It's how can I drive the news cycle

01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:16.940
<v Ivan>to pay attention to something else, what I want attention to be paid to.

01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.780
<v Ivan>And that is the only, you know, the worst thing is this is the only thing that motivates him.

01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:26.200
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, like, he gave that little speech last night about,

01:04:26.380 --> 01:04:29.620
<v Sam>like, now's your chance, Iranians, rise up.

01:04:29.680 --> 01:04:34.200
<v Ivan>Like he could give two flying fucks about the Iranian people.

01:04:35.410 --> 01:04:42.470
<v Sam>Exactly. Isn't he deporting Iranian refugees who are here? I mean, come on.

01:04:42.750 --> 01:04:44.470
<v Ivan>Come on. Give me a fuck about it.

01:04:44.470 --> 01:04:52.270
<v Sam>There are people who have fled the regime there that we are trying to send back.

01:04:52.370 --> 01:04:52.510
<v Ivan>Right.

01:04:53.510 --> 01:04:57.530
<v Sam>And, you know, not just Iran, of course. Like, we're doing the same thing with

01:04:57.530 --> 01:04:59.350
<v Sam>Afghanistan, with all these places.

01:04:59.750 --> 01:05:02.770
<v Ivan>Everybody, yeah. He doesn't give a fuck about any of them.

01:05:03.630 --> 01:05:11.550
<v Sam>No, no. Yeah. If he cared about any of that stuff, he'd be actively supporting

01:05:11.550 --> 01:05:17.050
<v Sam>the people who had fled the regime and all this kind of stuff. No, no, no, not.

01:05:18.550 --> 01:05:26.710
<v Sam>I'm sure there is some covert support for some internal Iranian opposition because,

01:05:26.810 --> 01:05:29.670
<v Sam>of course, we're doing that. I'd be shocked if we weren't.

01:05:30.190 --> 01:05:32.130
<v Sam>But it's not the same thing.

01:05:32.130 --> 01:05:36.170
<v Ivan>It's not with the—it's the entire goal, once again, is disruption.

01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:37.830
<v Sam>It's not with their best interest action in mind.

01:05:37.850 --> 01:05:42.630
<v Ivan>Exactly. The entire goal is disruption, not any, you know—,

01:05:43.330 --> 01:05:49.290
<v Ivan>positive direction for Iran. I think that's the key thing.

01:05:50.110 --> 01:06:02.350
<v Sam>Yes. Anything that is done by Trump and his administration anywhere in the world is certainly,

01:06:02.690 --> 01:06:06.190
<v Sam>like, you would think, like, at least you could argue, okay,

01:06:06.330 --> 01:06:11.290
<v Sam>he's worried about the interests of the U.S., not the interests of that country.

01:06:11.290 --> 01:06:14.010
<v Sam>And you'd be like, okay, that's normal. That's like every administration.

01:06:14.010 --> 01:06:16.670
<v Sam>Of course, they're looking out for the interests of the U.S.

01:06:16.770 --> 01:06:21.830
<v Sam>But in Donald Trump's case, he's not even doing that. It's only his own interests.

01:06:22.090 --> 01:06:22.330
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:06:22.370 --> 01:06:24.090
<v Sam>It's only his own personal interests.

01:06:24.350 --> 01:06:26.070
<v Ivan>It's only his own personal interests.

01:06:26.550 --> 01:06:30.110
<v Sam>But frankly, one difference, even of previous administrations,

01:06:30.430 --> 01:06:37.270
<v Sam>that some have been more naked about, like, look, we only care about U.S.

01:06:37.290 --> 01:06:39.670
<v Sam>and we'll screw anybody else and we don't give a shit.

01:06:39.670 --> 01:06:46.030
<v Ivan>But he cares. They care about what they believe is the good thing for the U.S.

01:06:46.410 --> 01:06:52.430
<v Ivan>This is only about what is good for him.

01:06:53.690 --> 01:06:58.270
<v Sam>Right. But I was also going to say, even compared to that, we have had some

01:06:58.270 --> 01:07:06.230
<v Sam>administrations where they actually recognize that sometimes the best way to benefit the U.S.

01:07:06.810 --> 01:07:12.730
<v Sam>is to benefit the other countries as well. because there's a such thing as a win-win relationship.

01:07:13.490 --> 01:07:15.110
<v Sam>And when we, when we.

01:07:15.670 --> 01:07:23.010
<v Ivan>In his, in his mind, there is no such thing as a win-win. Those don't exist. Ever.

01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.100
<v Ivan>Ever. Those don't exist at all.

01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:34.440
<v Sam>And the whole concept of soft power where you end up benefiting this country

01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:38.360
<v Sam>by providing a good example and making people like you.

01:07:39.120 --> 01:07:39.880
<v Ivan>No.

01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:47.820
<v Sam>Oh, they like you because you helped them when they were in need and provided

01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:51.460
<v Sam>a good example and blah, blah, blah. You know, now, the U.S.

01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.620
<v Sam>has a very mixed record of that kind of stuff, to be completely honest.

01:07:54.900 --> 01:08:01.060
<v Sam>However, at least, like, some administrations actually believed in that and

01:08:01.060 --> 01:08:05.240
<v Sam>tried to do that and, you know, and had some decent success over the last hundred years.

01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:08.440
<v Ivan>Maybe they didn't do it to every country consistently, okay?

01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:12.300
<v Ivan>All right? And they did it in some ways that it was bad. But the reality is

01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:16.520
<v Ivan>that in many cases, they actively tried to do that and did that with some countries.

01:08:16.660 --> 01:08:18.440
<v Ivan>With others, they didn't do it that well.

01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:21.480
<v Sam>Concept of USAID, which of course you eliminated.

01:08:21.480 --> 01:08:22.340
<v Ivan>Yes, but of course we eliminated.

01:08:23.140 --> 01:08:32.000
<v Sam>Yes. I mean, is that we can use our extreme wealth to help out all over the world in ways that,

01:08:33.020 --> 01:08:36.720
<v Sam>really, in the grand scheme of things, did not cost us a lot of money.

01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:43.820
<v Sam>But helped a lot of people and left them feeling good about, hey, they helped us.

01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:44.340
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:08:44.580 --> 01:08:51.120
<v Sam>And, you know, as we've both said, we haven't always been consistent about this.

01:08:51.240 --> 01:08:52.600
<v Sam>We've often done it badly.

01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:56.400
<v Sam>We've often taken advantage of people.

01:08:56.400 --> 01:09:03.560
<v Ivan>But Sam, there was a general intention, direction in terms of advancing American

01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:08.280
<v Ivan>interest and in many cases helping some of these countries, even when we sometimes

01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:10.240
<v Ivan>we didn't do it positively.

01:09:10.240 --> 01:09:14.460
<v Ivan>OK, many times, sometimes a failure of vision, many times it was a failure of

01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:19.000
<v Ivan>us understanding the country, you know, for the for the most part,

01:09:19.160 --> 01:09:21.420
<v Ivan>the president wasn't actively trying.

01:09:21.660 --> 01:09:26.860
<v Ivan>You know, they they they they thought that they were advancing the interests of the United States.

01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.120
<v Ivan>And sometimes they said, well, the interest of the U.S. is more important than others.

01:09:30.280 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Ivan>We don't we don't care about it. But it was even in their misguided way,

01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:38.600
<v Ivan>it was still the interest of the United States that they were thinking in the first place.

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Ivan>This is completely different. This has nothing to do with this.

01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:46.980
<v Ivan>Any action that Trump does, that is not even remotely a thought.

01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:48.100
<v Sam>Yep.

01:09:49.540 --> 01:09:55.140
<v Sam>It's all about what's in it for me. How is this going to help me in my personal situation right now?

01:09:55.360 --> 01:09:55.700
<v Ivan>Right now.

01:09:55.900 --> 01:10:00.340
<v Sam>Whether it's distraction from other news that he doesn't want,

01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:04.320
<v Sam>or whether it's a monetary thing, or whether it's just attention.

01:10:04.540 --> 01:10:05.860
<v Sam>He does just like attention.

01:10:06.120 --> 01:10:10.780
<v Ivan>Too. The guy is an attention whore. Everything is about attention to him,

01:10:10.860 --> 01:10:13.600
<v Ivan>and everything is about a positive attention to him.

01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:18.220
<v Ivan>And this, obviously, is much better positive attention than the Epstein files.

01:10:18.220 --> 01:10:25.020
<v Ivan>or inflation or I lost at SCOTUS with the tariffs, etc., etc.,

01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:27.580
<v Ivan>or the polls are bad, whatever.

01:10:28.080 --> 01:10:33.660
<v Sam>And this is one of those things that you can almost count on.

01:10:34.180 --> 01:10:39.360
<v Sam>Most news coverage, including at outlets that are usually critical of Donald

01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:46.840
<v Sam>Trump, when you are at, like, a war footing, tend to be very deferential.

01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:52.430
<v Sam>To like, oh, yeah, we're doing this and here's why and blah,

01:10:52.490 --> 01:10:57.910
<v Sam>blah, blah, as opposed to, you know, just saying flat out over and over and

01:10:57.910 --> 01:11:00.630
<v Sam>over again, hey, this is an illegal action.

01:11:01.170 --> 01:11:04.010
<v Ivan>I don't know what's going on on the ground. I was like, look,

01:11:04.150 --> 01:11:07.190
<v Ivan>I was on the front page of the New York Times, like right now,

01:11:07.670 --> 01:11:13.030
<v Ivan>my editorial board first article is basically saying that look at the articles,

01:11:13.090 --> 01:11:15.150
<v Ivan>for example, one over here.

01:11:15.150 --> 01:11:19.770
<v Ivan>For Trump, the Iraq Iran attack was the alt is the ultimate war of choice.

01:11:20.010 --> 01:11:24.010
<v Ivan>That's one of the top top stories about this opinion editorial board.

01:11:24.110 --> 01:11:27.450
<v Ivan>Number one opinion. Trump's attack on Iran is reckless.

01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:33.850
<v Ivan>This is not like deferring to Trump and his action in any way, shape or form.

01:11:34.010 --> 01:11:40.310
<v Ivan>I just saw MS now putting Tim Kaine like I said that this was completely idiotic.

01:11:40.450 --> 01:11:44.870
<v Ivan>That was the main thing on there. OK, number one, you know, there,

01:11:45.010 --> 01:11:47.370
<v Ivan>you know, look, opinions, Washington Post.

01:11:47.530 --> 01:11:50.810
<v Ivan>There is no reason to think this war with Iran is necessary.

01:11:50.870 --> 01:11:54.590
<v Ivan>The first fucking opinion under the editorial board.

01:11:54.950 --> 01:11:57.790
<v Ivan>All of these are. Listen, there is nothing.

01:11:58.270 --> 01:12:04.330
<v Sam>Maybe it's shifting quickly. Like before I went to bed, before I went to sleep

01:12:04.330 --> 01:12:09.390
<v Sam>last night when this was already ongoing, a lot of the initial coverage was

01:12:09.390 --> 01:12:12.190
<v Sam>saying things like, you know, it. Thank you.

01:12:12.790 --> 01:12:19.570
<v Sam>was repeating without a lot of questioning, like, Israel says this is preemptive, for instance.

01:12:19.830 --> 01:12:23.790
<v Sam>Now later, a few hours later, I started seeing criticism of that.

01:12:23.930 --> 01:12:28.410
<v Sam>But the initial wave of coverage was basically just like, Israel says this, the U.S.

01:12:28.470 --> 01:12:32.050
<v Sam>says this, without much of what you're talking about now.

01:12:32.230 --> 01:12:35.450
<v Sam>Maybe even just a few hours later, the tide is turning.

01:12:35.670 --> 01:12:39.970
<v Sam>Because once again, I woke up again right before we started recording,

01:12:39.970 --> 01:12:43.090
<v Sam>after watching a few hours of this coverage last night.

01:12:43.330 --> 01:12:50.590
<v Sam>So we shall see. I mean, again, polling on this before it happened was universally negative.

01:12:51.010 --> 01:12:54.210
<v Sam>Like when people were asked, should we be getting?

01:12:54.750 --> 01:13:01.650
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, you even even amongst Trump voters, if you remember one of the

01:13:01.650 --> 01:13:09.230
<v Sam>things that repeatedly was said during Trump's campaigns, both in 2016 and...

01:13:09.230 --> 01:13:13.190
<v Ivan>The Democrats are warmongers! They're going out to go get us into war!

01:13:13.330 --> 01:13:14.830
<v Ivan>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:15.630 --> 01:13:19.530
<v Ivan>Look, here's one from Gavin Newsom's governor's press office.

01:13:19.890 --> 01:13:23.710
<v Ivan>Donald Trump's old tweet. Now that Obama's poll numbers are in a tailspin,

01:13:23.930 --> 01:13:28.870
<v Ivan>watch him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.

01:13:29.110 --> 01:13:35.150
<v Ivan>As usual, everything is a motherfucking projection! Everything.

01:13:35.510 --> 01:13:39.830
<v Sam>Yes. As Yvonne blows out the microphone, screaming into it. Yes,

01:13:40.010 --> 01:13:41.330
<v Sam>yes. Everything is projection.

01:13:41.970 --> 01:13:47.150
<v Sam>And, like, we've seen this, especially with Donald Trump, but frankly,

01:13:47.250 --> 01:13:50.690
<v Sam>the whole fucking Republican Party for years now.

01:13:50.930 --> 01:13:56.070
<v Sam>And this goes for the Epstein, like, sex scandal stuff, too.

01:13:56.310 --> 01:13:56.370
<v Sam>The whole Epstein thing.

01:13:56.370 --> 01:13:59.670
<v Ivan>The whole pediophilia thing. The whole fucking, like, listen,

01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:02.030
<v Ivan>the whole massive homophobia thing.

01:14:02.770 --> 01:14:03.290
<v Sam>Yes.

01:14:04.410 --> 01:14:05.810
<v Ivan>For God's sakes!

01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Sam>Like almost everything that they accuse the Democrats of, if you look at it

01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:18.300
<v Sam>in detail, the Democrats aren't doing it, but they are.

01:14:18.620 --> 01:14:19.160
<v Ivan>Right.

01:14:20.420 --> 01:14:25.240
<v Sam>It's like, you know, and, you know, trying to mess with elections.

01:14:25.780 --> 01:14:27.420
<v Sam>Come on, who's doing that?

01:14:28.860 --> 01:14:34.120
<v Sam>You know, all of it, all of it over and over and over and over again.

01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:42.520
<v Sam>It's, it's just like, Like, you want to know what nefarious things the Republicans might be up to?

01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:48.500
<v Sam>Look at what they're accusing the Democrats of. You get a nearly 100% hit rate.

01:14:49.650 --> 01:14:53.690
<v Ivan>Yeah. Damn. Okay.

01:14:54.790 --> 01:15:02.450
<v Sam>Again, my prediction is that like our previous strikes on Iran,

01:15:02.610 --> 01:15:03.850
<v Sam>this one may be a bit bigger,

01:15:04.490 --> 01:15:11.010
<v Sam>but a few days, the immediate strike will be over. Things will calm down.

01:15:11.650 --> 01:15:16.830
<v Sam>And I don't know about next week, but two weeks from now, we may not even be

01:15:16.830 --> 01:15:18.230
<v Sam>talking about Iran on the show.

01:15:18.230 --> 01:15:23.490
<v Ivan>Here, I'm wondering, you know, because everything to him is driven by attention,

01:15:23.770 --> 01:15:24.930
<v Ivan>phone numbers or whatever.

01:15:25.390 --> 01:15:31.710
<v Ivan>If he starts getting a lot of negative publicity, right? Is that how this drives us real quickly?

01:15:31.910 --> 01:15:35.930
<v Ivan>Where all of a sudden he's getting, you know, it starts like,

01:15:36.310 --> 01:15:40.890
<v Ivan>you know, it being negative because he's getting shit from all his MAGA folks

01:15:40.890 --> 01:15:41.790
<v Ivan>and everybody, whatever.

01:15:41.970 --> 01:15:45.390
<v Ivan>Then all of a sudden he completely turns around and changes.

01:15:45.590 --> 01:15:50.250
<v Ivan>By the way, here's one that I saw. Tulsi Garbert was in the Situation Room with

01:15:50.250 --> 01:15:51.970
<v Ivan>Vance watching this launch.

01:15:52.290 --> 01:15:56.130
<v Ivan>There's a tweet also that Gavin Newsom press office just shared from Tulsi.

01:15:56.250 --> 01:15:57.270
<v Ivan>What do you think it says?

01:15:58.070 --> 01:16:02.330
<v Sam>Oh, she was very big against attacks on Iran for years.

01:16:02.630 --> 01:16:03.890
<v Ivan>No more with Iran!

01:16:05.250 --> 01:16:05.690
<v Sam>Yes.

01:16:06.130 --> 01:16:10.870
<v Ivan>You know what? Fuck you, Tulsi, 2.4. I forget, you know, which is my usual. I need to remember.

01:16:11.050 --> 01:16:15.110
<v Ivan>Oh, by the way, before I give out my fuck yous for the week.

01:16:15.230 --> 01:16:17.510
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck Jill Stein as well, too. this week.

01:16:18.550 --> 01:16:21.210
<v Ivan>Wolves apparently crawled out of her cave early.

01:16:22.340 --> 01:16:27.660
<v Sam>Yes, she has surfaced. Yeah, it's like the groundhog.

01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:28.420
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:35.180
<v Sam>When she pops up, you know. No, look, I think it's almost simpler than like,

01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:38.020
<v Sam>oh, there's negative backlash, so he backs off.

01:16:38.200 --> 01:16:43.260
<v Sam>I think it's almost no matter what's happening, good, bad, indifferent.

01:16:44.060 --> 01:16:46.980
<v Sam>Once we are done with the initial set of strikes that were planned,

01:16:47.160 --> 01:16:48.720
<v Sam>he's going to declare victory and call it done.

01:16:49.020 --> 01:16:51.380
<v Ivan>I mean, that's the MO, right?

01:16:52.200 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Sam>Yeah. It doesn't matter what the actual results are.

01:16:55.980 --> 01:16:58.400
<v Ivan>And if you think about it, it's almost like every battle. Like,

01:16:58.500 --> 01:17:02.140
<v Ivan>you know, I'm not talking about battle war, just in general,

01:17:02.380 --> 01:17:04.500
<v Ivan>okay? I'm talking about, hey, the healthcare debate.

01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:07.500
<v Ivan>Hey, this, the thing, whatever. You know, how he goes and he says,

01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:10.140
<v Ivan>you know, there's a whole bunch of arguing and blah, blah, blah,

01:17:10.140 --> 01:17:11.400
<v Ivan>negotiating, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:17:11.540 --> 01:17:14.580
<v Ivan>Then he goes and he says, no, well, I'm going to have a solution in two weeks.

01:17:15.660 --> 01:17:21.000
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, the two weeks pass and we forget about it and we're on to something else.

01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:25.840
<v Sam>Whatever new outrageous thing is going on. Now, I will say the one possible

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.580
<v Sam>exception is... Well, even...

01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:35.100
<v Sam>We got Maduro and he declared victory, but like that still disappeared off the

01:17:35.100 --> 01:17:36.360
<v Sam>headlines in a couple of weeks.

01:17:36.540 --> 01:17:40.440
<v Sam>I feel like even I was about to say the one exception might be if they actually

01:17:40.440 --> 01:17:41.500
<v Sam>kill the Supreme Leader.

01:17:42.820 --> 01:17:48.540
<v Sam>But even if they did that, we're probably moved on to something else. And in a few weeks.

01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:52.020
<v Ivan>There was this there was this gorgeous there was a headline.

01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:55.640
<v Ivan>I remember this one that somebody reposted from like 2016, which I remember

01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:59.640
<v Ivan>that I believe I wanted to fucking like punch a screen or something when I read this.

01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:06.020
<v Ivan>It's an article by Maureen Dowd who talked about Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk.

01:18:06.160 --> 01:18:08.560
<v Ivan>And I still fucking remember. Somebody reposted that headline.

01:18:08.740 --> 01:18:14.000
<v Ivan>And that's one where I want to fucking find Maureen Dowd right now and beat the shit out of her.

01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:18.580
<v Ivan>Grab a fucking copy of it and fucking like rub it in her face.

01:18:19.580 --> 01:18:25.980
<v Sam>Well, like you said, in his first term, he mostly stayed out of things.

01:18:26.180 --> 01:18:34.160
<v Sam>Now, I say mostly. He actually did dramatically increase the drone program from what Obama was doing.

01:18:34.360 --> 01:18:36.480
<v Sam>He was quieter about it.

01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:42.060
<v Sam>But there were more drone hits on more countries during Trump's first term than

01:18:42.060 --> 01:18:44.860
<v Sam>Obama had been doing. So he increased that.

01:18:45.020 --> 01:18:50.400
<v Sam>But he didn't outright start messing with additional countries.

01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:53.860
<v Sam>The second term, he absolutely has.

01:18:54.020 --> 01:19:00.560
<v Sam>He's all over the place. You know? I mean, hell, we did a military attack on

01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.700
<v Sam>Nigeria at the end of last year.

01:19:02.820 --> 01:19:03.700
<v Ivan>Right, I forgot about that.

01:19:03.700 --> 01:19:05.400
<v Sam>Does anybody even remember that?

01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:10.880
<v Ivan>Fuck no. Jesus Christ, we've had... Sam, Sam, it's like every fucking day,

01:19:11.040 --> 01:19:13.440
<v Ivan>there's so much shit going on.

01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:17.060
<v Ivan>I mean, if we went and we made a list of all the stupid shit that we've had.

01:19:18.820 --> 01:19:23.860
<v Ivan>We've had Americans murdered on the streets by ice. We've had an invasion of

01:19:23.860 --> 01:19:26.160
<v Ivan>Minnesota by our own federal government. Thank you.

01:19:26.750 --> 01:19:32.690
<v Ivan>I mean, we had, listen, we were attacking, listen, we helped an attack in Mexico.

01:19:32.690 --> 01:19:37.810
<v Ivan>We murdered this fucking cartel leader and unleashed complete chaos in Mexico.

01:19:38.390 --> 01:19:42.130
<v Sam>Well, with that, why don't we take a break and then talk about that?

01:19:45.350 --> 01:19:50.390
<v Sam>Ah, yes. Okay. This next one should be an Apple dream, but I didn't prepare it.

01:19:50.530 --> 01:19:53.390
<v Sam>So we'll have an Apple dream next week. And in the meantime,

01:19:53.690 --> 01:19:58.630
<v Sam>this break, and then we'll talk about Mexico and whatever else we end up talking about. Here we go.

01:21:00.790 --> 01:21:06.230
<v Sam>Okay, we're back. So, Yvonne, you were starting to describe what happened in

01:21:06.230 --> 01:21:08.570
<v Sam>Mexico last week, and then I said, let's take a break.

01:21:08.710 --> 01:21:13.630
<v Sam>So, continue where you left off. What the hell happened? We killed some drug lord?

01:21:14.010 --> 01:21:16.390
<v Sam>Or Mexico killed some drug lord with our alp?

01:21:16.390 --> 01:21:19.770
<v Ivan>OK, so apparently it did involve the U.S.

01:21:19.950 --> 01:21:23.310
<v Ivan>Not sure exactly the extent, but but but the U.S.

01:21:23.450 --> 01:21:30.450
<v Ivan>was involved in this where the the chief of the Holisco drug cartel.

01:21:30.590 --> 01:21:36.010
<v Ivan>OK, that was he used to be part of the Sinaloa cartel that got kept getting

01:21:36.010 --> 01:21:37.550
<v Ivan>mentioned a lot in the U.S.

01:21:37.550 --> 01:21:40.530
<v Ivan>he was murdered okay and the

01:21:40.530 --> 01:21:43.570
<v Ivan>reaction by the members of the cartel was

01:21:43.570 --> 01:21:47.370
<v Ivan>to unleash violence across significant

01:21:47.370 --> 01:21:50.490
<v Ivan>parts of mexico okay in response to

01:21:50.490 --> 01:21:56.170
<v Ivan>that i mean there was i mean you know i i've been to jalisco many times i've

01:21:56.170 --> 01:22:00.250
<v Ivan>been to the city of guadalajara many times or or is the late uh what what's

01:22:00.250 --> 01:22:05.070
<v Ivan>the name most of the most of the late wait wait wait i need to let me as a late

01:22:05.070 --> 01:22:08.410
<v Ivan>The late Lou Dobbs on TV once called it Farfula,

01:22:08.730 --> 01:22:13.430
<v Ivan>in which he was trying to pronounce the name of the city. You know...

01:22:14.860 --> 01:22:19.300
<v Ivan>Guadalajara is the second, I would say the second most important city in Mexico.

01:22:19.300 --> 01:22:22.020
<v Ivan>It is a tech and industrial hub.

01:22:23.420 --> 01:22:30.040
<v Ivan>Most major U.S. companies have tech companies have operations in the city.

01:22:31.440 --> 01:22:34.920
<v Ivan>So this is a very developed area of the country.

01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.260
<v Ivan>I said, you know, Mexico is very developed, but one of the most developed areas in the country.

01:22:39.400 --> 01:22:46.300
<v Ivan>So all of a sudden, the airport was under siege. OK, I mean, people had to run out.

01:22:46.480 --> 01:22:49.520
<v Ivan>This is an airport that I've been to many times. OK, so this is particularly

01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.140
<v Ivan>like very disturbing to me.

01:22:51.500 --> 01:22:55.720
<v Ivan>OK, people wound up on the tarmac because the airport was under attack.

01:22:55.900 --> 01:22:58.340
<v Ivan>The airport in Fort Ovalarta was also under attack.

01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.220
<v Ivan>There were burning trucks. There were blocking roads. They were shooting.

01:23:01.420 --> 01:23:05.180
<v Ivan>They burned down the Costco and Costco's. They burned out.

01:23:05.420 --> 01:23:12.780
<v Ivan>It was just a massive just, you know, eruption of violence across the state.

01:23:12.780 --> 01:23:14.180
<v Ivan>and in other parts of the country.

01:23:14.380 --> 01:23:16.480
<v Ivan>It didn't affect the Capitol, okay?

01:23:16.980 --> 01:23:22.540
<v Ivan>But the thing is that this was something that some of the people locally were telling me,

01:23:23.100 --> 01:23:28.860
<v Ivan>that they didn't want to do this in large part because they feared what the

01:23:28.860 --> 01:23:32.340
<v Ivan>reaction was going to be by doing this.

01:23:32.420 --> 01:23:39.440
<v Ivan>But the president was forced by the Trump administration to pursue this action.

01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:45.580
<v Ivan>This was not something that they were targeting, but that the Trump administration forced upon.

01:23:46.900 --> 01:23:51.940
<v Sam>Let me ask one question about the violence, because most of the coverage—,

01:23:53.040 --> 01:23:59.020
<v Sam>I have seen in U.S. media has sort of concentrated on the tourists.

01:23:59.660 --> 01:24:03.800
<v Sam>What's the actual balance in terms of where the violence was targeted?

01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:08.780
<v Sam>Is it specifically targeted against tourists or is it actually against everybody

01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:10.600
<v Sam>and tourists were just caught up in it?

01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:12.000
<v Ivan>Yes. Tourists were just caught up in it.

01:24:12.040 --> 01:24:12.700
<v Sam>It was against everybody.

01:24:13.040 --> 01:24:13.920
<v Ivan>No, it was against everybody.

01:24:14.160 --> 01:24:17.260
<v Sam>But of course, our coverage is about the tourists because they're more important

01:24:17.260 --> 01:24:18.100
<v Sam>than the locals apparently.

01:24:18.200 --> 01:24:20.960
<v Ivan>Correct. Yes. No, no, no. But this is against everybody. Yeah,

01:24:21.040 --> 01:24:24.540
<v Ivan>yeah, yeah. This is not targeting tourists at all. This is against everybody.

01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:27.640
<v Ivan>Now, yeah, this is not targeted against the tourists in any way.

01:24:27.940 --> 01:24:29.240
<v Ivan>They just happen to get caught up.

01:24:30.400 --> 01:24:34.280
<v Ivan>Flights canceled and shit, and airports closed all of a sudden, you know?

01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.400
<v Ivan>I mean, Mexico gets so many U.S. tourists. I mean, it's crazy.

01:24:38.620 --> 01:24:45.520
<v Ivan>So it is, you know, it is a massive amount of Americas that go to Mexico for tourism.

01:24:45.660 --> 01:24:48.980
<v Ivan>And so, yeah, I mean, it was very visible to the tourists.

01:24:49.120 --> 01:24:52.120
<v Ivan>But, yeah, it was, the impact was local. I mean, there were,

01:24:52.220 --> 01:24:54.820
<v Ivan>you know, the local residents were petrified.

01:24:54.940 --> 01:24:57.520
<v Ivan>They were staying at home. They weren't going anywhere in Jalisco.

01:24:58.580 --> 01:25:02.600
<v Ivan>I will say that I spoke to my friends in Mexico City, and they weren't really,

01:25:03.320 --> 01:25:04.680
<v Ivan>you know, they know that it was going on.

01:25:04.780 --> 01:25:08.380
<v Ivan>But they were somewhat concerned, but nothing happened in Mexico City.

01:25:09.020 --> 01:25:10.640
<v Ivan>So this was really going to say, too.

01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:15.340
<v Sam>Now, was there a big spike that's calmed down? Yes.

01:25:15.340 --> 01:25:18.220
<v Ivan>Or is this ongoing still? No, it's calmed down. It's calmed down.

01:25:18.220 --> 01:25:18.400
<v Sam>Okay.

01:25:18.580 --> 01:25:26.700
<v Ivan>Yes. but but the one thing is is people were mentioning to me this was not look the current,

01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:34.680
<v Ivan>the current president the party itself more i will say more the entire party,

01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:40.540
<v Ivan>a lot of talk has gone over the years how they are they have this uneasy alliance

01:25:40.540 --> 01:25:43.520
<v Ivan>with the cartels in some way, okay?

01:25:44.140 --> 01:25:52.060
<v Ivan>So, to them, going against them isn't exactly in their best interests, okay?

01:25:52.930 --> 01:25:58.210
<v Ivan>Because this was really forced upon them by the United States,

01:25:58.410 --> 01:26:03.930
<v Ivan>which is why the reaction by them was so visible and violent right away.

01:26:03.930 --> 01:26:10.150
<v Ivan>I think more as a warning to the president that they don't have control of the

01:26:10.150 --> 01:26:12.310
<v Ivan>country, that they can control the country if they want.

01:26:13.010 --> 01:26:16.890
<v Ivan>And that's, I think, the biggest signal that they wanted to send.

01:26:17.710 --> 01:26:23.630
<v Ivan>And I also find that the way that the administration wanted to do this It seemed

01:26:23.630 --> 01:26:26.950
<v Ivan>really like, once again, we were targeting an execution instead of like actually

01:26:26.950 --> 01:26:32.550
<v Ivan>capturing as we have done with others in the past. They just wanted them killed.

01:26:32.790 --> 01:26:32.970
<v Sam>Right.

01:26:33.370 --> 01:26:34.470
<v Ivan>They didn't want to capture them.

01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:40.320
<v Sam>Well, and also, I think this is just the fact that there was this backlash.

01:26:42.360 --> 01:26:51.820
<v Sam>I just can't view it any other way that this is just another example of where they don't think ahead.

01:26:51.940 --> 01:26:52.120
<v Ivan>No!

01:26:52.660 --> 01:26:57.040
<v Sam>They only think of the very next action they want to take.

01:26:57.160 --> 01:27:03.220
<v Ivan>And what the repercussions or what the long-term strategy is and what doing that gets us.

01:27:03.220 --> 01:27:08.000
<v Sam>There is nothing long-term. No, no. I mean, for years, people were talking about

01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:11.880
<v Sam>how, hey, it's not really that they're stupid.

01:27:11.900 --> 01:27:14.340
<v Sam>They're playing five-dimensional chess.

01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:21.180
<v Sam>They're thinking so many steps ahead. And they're, no, no, no, none of that.

01:27:21.460 --> 01:27:29.240
<v Sam>They are, at best, thinking about the very next step they want to take.

01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:29.680
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:27:30.140 --> 01:27:33.280
<v Sam>And figuring they'll deal with what happens after after.

01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:34.120
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:27:34.120 --> 01:27:36.240
<v Sam>You know, there's no thought.

01:27:36.240 --> 01:27:39.260
<v Ivan>Well, they don't think, wait, wait, no, it's not even, they don't even think

01:27:39.260 --> 01:27:41.780
<v Ivan>there's going to be an after after. They don't even get there.

01:27:41.980 --> 01:27:43.040
<v Ivan>They don't even get there.

01:27:43.940 --> 01:27:45.420
<v Sam>They're just, oh, we're going to win.

01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:46.080
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:27:47.340 --> 01:27:50.120
<v Sam>That's it. That's it. Yeah. We're going to get what we want.

01:27:50.280 --> 01:27:52.480
<v Sam>We're going to win. That's the whole story.

01:27:54.380 --> 01:28:00.200
<v Sam>And part of this is also just this complete disdain for expertise as well.

01:28:00.200 --> 01:28:07.580
<v Sam>Like, do you think anybody in the Trump administration consulted with people

01:28:07.580 --> 01:28:09.500
<v Sam>who actually had extensive local

01:28:09.500 --> 01:28:15.460
<v Sam>knowledge of what was going on in either Iran or Mexico or Venezuela?

01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:18.280
<v Ivan>Come on.

01:28:18.940 --> 01:28:21.780
<v Sam>Or any of Ukraine, for that matter?

01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:24.620
<v Ivan>Well, not that he would listen or consider it, you know, because,

01:28:24.700 --> 01:28:29.040
<v Ivan>I mean, Marco Rubio, even though he is a complete dickhead and sellout,

01:28:29.200 --> 01:28:33.480
<v Ivan>is not dumb. So he does understand a lot of the repercussions of these things, okay?

01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:38.020
<v Ivan>And probably things further. But it's not like he knows that nobody gives a shit. Exactly.

01:28:38.280 --> 01:28:41.940
<v Ivan>It's not like anybody gives a shit about that. So he's not going to be, you know, doing that.

01:28:42.360 --> 01:28:45.960
<v Ivan>He's just playing his game. That's it.

01:28:49.050 --> 01:28:50.250
<v Sam>It's fun.

01:28:51.130 --> 01:28:54.490
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, fun. More fun.

01:28:55.390 --> 01:28:59.010
<v Ivan>Fun in Mexico. Fun in the Middle East.

01:28:59.250 --> 01:29:06.550
<v Ivan>I got a friend of mine who told me that their son was traveling with a group

01:29:06.550 --> 01:29:09.330
<v Ivan>that was about to travel through Doha today.

01:29:09.730 --> 01:29:14.050
<v Ivan>And that all their flights got canceled. And they got stuck in Africa right

01:29:14.050 --> 01:29:20.270
<v Ivan>now because of this. because all air traffic right now is stopped, you know, through.

01:29:20.470 --> 01:29:28.870
<v Sam>So let me ask, given the current state, is now the perfect time to finally get

01:29:28.870 --> 01:29:31.870
<v Sam>around to my random trip to the southern Yucatan?

01:29:33.250 --> 01:29:35.130
<v Ivan>Actually, the Yucatan is.

01:29:35.330 --> 01:29:40.230
<v Sam>I know it's the other side of the country from where most of this was going on.

01:29:40.230 --> 01:29:44.090
<v Ivan>It's a very big country at it. I would say, well, maybe not the perfect time,

01:29:44.090 --> 01:29:48.710
<v Ivan>But I don't think that you're, if you went, there would be not, no, no, no.

01:29:48.710 --> 01:29:52.270
<v Sam>And we're not talking about Cozumel or either. We're talking about a fairly

01:29:52.270 --> 01:29:54.090
<v Sam>rural area near the Belize border.

01:29:54.270 --> 01:29:56.810
<v Ivan>It's, it's, it's, yeah, but it's near the Belize border. There's nothing going

01:29:56.810 --> 01:29:58.110
<v Ivan>on over there. You should be fine.

01:29:58.590 --> 01:30:05.010
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. So after you visit Seattle, we'll just get on a plane and go straight there.

01:30:05.490 --> 01:30:06.930
<v Ivan>Okay. You got to tell my wife.

01:30:07.130 --> 01:30:07.390
<v Sam>Okay.

01:30:07.990 --> 01:30:10.050
<v Ivan>You got, you got to tell my wife about this.

01:30:10.570 --> 01:30:13.830
<v Sam>You, you, you can dump your wife at that retreat and we can go.

01:30:14.330 --> 01:30:16.810
<v Ivan>That's what we're gonna do we dump her into the retreat and we just fucking

01:30:16.810 --> 01:30:22.590
<v Ivan>like what are we charter a jet how are we doing this oh yeah drive oh,

01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.380
<v Ivan>Well, I am grabbing a rental car. So basically, okay, so this is the thing.

01:30:28.620 --> 01:30:33.100
<v Ivan>You get in the car with me. We drop her off at Long Beach.

01:30:33.300 --> 01:30:38.960
<v Ivan>And then we go for the border in a rental car. Drive all the way to Yucatan.

01:30:39.780 --> 01:30:40.220
<v Sam>Yes.

01:30:40.380 --> 01:30:44.840
<v Ivan>And then we try to make it back in five days. Basically, I had to do that round

01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:48.480
<v Ivan>trip in five days. So then I could pick her up.

01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.220
<v Ivan>We get back to Seattle. We take our flight and we go home.

01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:52.920
<v Sam>There you go. Perfect.

01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:58.780
<v Ivan>I am tentative by this idea.

01:30:59.080 --> 01:31:01.420
<v Sam>Okay, I'm not going to lie.

01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:02.700
<v Ivan>Okay, all right.

01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:09.700
<v Sam>Now, to get to the Yucatan by car from here.

01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:11.160
<v Ivan>It's not a problem.

01:31:12.120 --> 01:31:17.180
<v Sam>It's drivable. Would we have to go through some more dangerous areas than the

01:31:17.180 --> 01:31:18.300
<v Sam>Yucatan itself? Not really.

01:31:18.440 --> 01:31:22.380
<v Ivan>There's some, you know, Mexico has major highways. We could make it probably

01:31:22.380 --> 01:31:26.300
<v Ivan>pretty close to where the hell we're going to go through the highways. Yeah.

01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:27.240
<v Sam>Okay.

01:31:27.440 --> 01:31:28.880
<v Ivan>It's not that big a deal.

01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:32.740
<v Sam>There you go.

01:31:32.820 --> 01:31:33.440
<v Ivan>I may have to change.

01:31:33.440 --> 01:31:34.200
<v Sam>Yeah, we have a plan.

01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:38.760
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ. Okay, so let me see. Long Beach.

01:31:40.060 --> 01:31:46.860
<v Ivan>Long Beach, Washington. Okay, great. Let me see. Directions to. Okay, from.

01:31:47.100 --> 01:31:49.720
<v Sam>You got to get the actual name of the town. Hold on.

01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:54.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, give me the name of the town. Hold on so I can see the driving directions. Hang on.

01:31:55.040 --> 01:32:02.080
<v Sam>It is Chachoban, C-H-A-C-C-H-O-B-E-N.

01:32:02.420 --> 01:32:02.900
<v Ivan>Wait, wait.

01:32:03.020 --> 01:32:04.120
<v Sam>In Quintana Roo, Mexico.

01:32:04.480 --> 01:32:06.020
<v Ivan>Say C-H-O-B?

01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:13.000
<v Sam>C-H-A-C-C-H-O-B-E-N.

01:32:13.540 --> 01:32:17.680
<v Ivan>Okay. Man, this is tough to prep. Chachoban. Okay, here we go.

01:32:18.140 --> 01:32:21.300
<v Ivan>All right, let's see. Come on. Give me the driving directions.

01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:23.780
<v Ivan>Two days and ten hours.

01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:32.960
<v Ivan>3,619 miles tolls required but I'll tell you what it's a pretty straight shot

01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:37.000
<v Ivan>through highways all the way there from up there to,

01:32:38.300 --> 01:32:44.680
<v Ivan>yeah but I got straight out directions we gotta go, actually we'll go through

01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:49.500
<v Ivan>yeah, because we'll go through very close to where my brother lives in Texas

01:32:49.500 --> 01:32:51.300
<v Ivan>okay, cross the border through,

01:32:51.900 --> 01:32:55.840
<v Ivan>Monterey, Mexico which is one of the other big cities in Mexico.

01:32:56.100 --> 01:32:59.240
<v Ivan>We're Victoria, Tampico, Veracruz, Villahermosa.

01:33:00.160 --> 01:33:03.240
<v Ivan>And then we get all the way there. Very close to, yeah.

01:33:04.200 --> 01:33:04.820
<v Sam>There you go.

01:33:04.820 --> 01:33:05.660
<v Ivan>It's actually doable.

01:33:08.220 --> 01:33:11.400
<v Sam>Well, that's two and a half days of straight driving.

01:33:11.620 --> 01:33:11.700
<v Ivan>Right?

01:33:12.660 --> 01:33:17.560
<v Sam>Yes. Okay. Eight hour shifts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, yeah.

01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:22.860
<v Ivan>We basically, yeah. It's, you know, yeah. So, you know, let's see.

01:33:22.860 --> 01:33:25.320
<v Sam>No stops on the way, just straight out.

01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:30.100
<v Ivan>I mean, it's basically, yeah, we're just, this is a mad dash all the way down there, basically, yes.

01:33:30.660 --> 01:33:31.860
<v Sam>And then all the way back.

01:33:31.940 --> 01:33:32.120
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.740
<v Sam>Okay, enough of that. All right. Anything else on Mexico?

01:33:39.220 --> 01:33:40.280
<v Ivan>Not at the moment, Tom.

01:33:40.900 --> 01:33:46.800
<v Sam>Are there any other topics you want to make sure to cover before we close things up?

01:33:46.900 --> 01:33:49.620
<v Sam>I know we're still a little bit short of our normal time, but.

01:33:49.820 --> 01:33:54.540
<v Ivan>There was one thing, and I posted news, but I didn't put into topics. Sam?

01:33:55.100 --> 01:33:55.260
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:33:58.120 --> 01:34:02.640
<v Ivan>Guess what? About inflation. Do you know what was reported?

01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:03.140
<v Sam>About inflation.

01:34:03.420 --> 01:34:07.220
<v Ivan>Yeah. Do you know what was reported earlier this week about inflation?

01:34:07.220 --> 01:34:14.320
<v Sam>Well, I remember one of you guys posting a link about Boebert trying to define inflation.

01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:18.200
<v Ivan>Well, yes. How did she do? Did you watch it?

01:34:18.700 --> 01:34:23.880
<v Sam>I think she said it was when prices were bad because of Biden.

01:34:24.460 --> 01:34:26.360
<v Ivan>Something along those lines. Yes.

01:34:27.580 --> 01:34:27.900
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:34:30.360 --> 01:34:35.740
<v Sam>Anyway, was it revisions in the bad direction or something like that?

01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:36.860
<v Sam>What was the actual news?

01:34:37.220 --> 01:34:43.440
<v Ivan>The producer price index was announced this week, okay?

01:34:43.780 --> 01:34:51.440
<v Ivan>And it showed that hotter than expected increases, 0.5 for the month,

01:34:51.860 --> 01:34:57.920
<v Ivan>and that the annual inflation rate was at 2.9% for producer prices.

01:34:58.200 --> 01:35:04.340
<v Ivan>So think about this. This is the prices that manufacturers eventually have to

01:35:04.340 --> 01:35:06.160
<v Ivan>pass on to consumers, okay?

01:35:06.700 --> 01:35:07.180
<v Sam>Okay.

01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:11.340
<v Ivan>So their prices are up and it's hotter than expected.

01:35:11.580 --> 01:35:15.720
<v Ivan>And also there were revisions to earlier months that showed that it was hotter

01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.160
<v Ivan>than expected. Sam, take a look at that.

01:35:19.400 --> 01:35:24.540
<v Sam>Okay. Interesting. I thought all economic indicators were going well.

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:28.800
<v Ivan>Yeah. And inflation was down. Under control.

01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:34.640
<v Sam>Yes. Inflation is down. Jobs are good. Housing is good.

01:35:34.860 --> 01:35:35.000
<v Ivan>Yep.

01:35:35.860 --> 01:35:39.340
<v Sam>Everything's operating on all cylinders. Everything's going great.

01:35:39.340 --> 01:35:44.560
<v Ivan>By the way, in terms of goods, it was down, but simply because it was impacted

01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:46.300
<v Ivan>by energy prices, which are down.

01:35:46.500 --> 01:35:51.080
<v Ivan>Okay. Some energy prices are down. But that's, you know, energy prices are very

01:35:51.080 --> 01:35:52.480
<v Ivan>volatile up and down, whatever.

01:35:52.740 --> 01:35:59.880
<v Ivan>So, you know, there was a 5.5% decrease in gasoline prices. But, you know, but that's...

01:36:00.340 --> 01:36:02.140
<v Sam>Bottom line, Yvonne, your prediction

01:36:02.140 --> 01:36:05.000
<v Sam>is still the economy is going to hell before it gets better again.

01:36:05.360 --> 01:36:08.380
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, there's just no...

01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:16.160
<v Ivan>All the economic indicators suck. Except the ones that Trump can manipulate.

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:17.260
<v Sam>Right.

01:36:18.470 --> 01:36:22.550
<v Sam>Okay, one update. While we've been talking here the last few minutes,

01:36:23.170 --> 01:36:26.010
<v Sam>Bob shared on our Curmudgeons Corner Slack an update.

01:36:26.510 --> 01:36:34.770
<v Sam>Netanyahu has apparently been on Israeli TV claiming that they did in fact get Ayatollah Khomeini.

01:36:35.050 --> 01:36:39.890
<v Sam>I always forget and do the earlier name, but the Supreme Leader of Iran,

01:36:40.070 --> 01:36:44.070
<v Sam>Netanyahu, is saying all indications show he's no longer with us.

01:36:44.070 --> 01:36:48.110
<v Sam>Now, a couple hours ago, I was hearing that he was scheduled to give an address

01:36:48.110 --> 01:36:50.850
<v Sam>to the Iranian people. I guess maybe he hasn't yet.

01:36:51.230 --> 01:36:54.750
<v Sam>Again, fog of war. By the time you listen to this, you'll know more.

01:36:55.110 --> 01:36:59.490
<v Sam>But maybe, maybe they got the supreme leader, which is one of the scenarios

01:36:59.490 --> 01:37:06.830
<v Sam>I mentioned that would result in more substantial changes than just,

01:37:07.110 --> 01:37:10.850
<v Sam>hey, let's bomb them for a few days and then things continue on exactly as they were.

01:37:10.850 --> 01:37:17.070
<v Sam>if they actually got the supreme leader and a few other you know top five top

01:37:17.070 --> 01:37:19.590
<v Sam>ten people in iran that's going

01:37:19.590 --> 01:37:22.390
<v Sam>to lead to some volatility because who the hell knows what comes next.

01:37:22.390 --> 01:37:27.390
<v Ivan>I'm sure this will be fine it'll all break out in jeffersonian democracy tomorrow

01:37:27.390 --> 01:37:32.850
<v Ivan>there's going to be like this this entire like just just you know but but i'm

01:37:32.850 --> 01:37:35.130
<v Ivan>talking about it more in terms of like the

01:37:35.550 --> 01:37:46.410
<v Ivan>myths where it will just all be it'll all be wonderful and happy roses on the

01:37:46.410 --> 01:37:49.170
<v Ivan>streets and happiness and hugs and.

01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:54.580
<v Sam>Well, the one thing I will say about Iran, along the lines of,

01:37:54.700 --> 01:37:57.960
<v Sam>is that actually possible, is that

01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:03.880
<v Sam>the younger population, which is a significant majority at this point,

01:38:04.060 --> 01:38:06.420
<v Sam>has been, over the last couple years,

01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:13.680
<v Sam>getting increasingly vocal and agitated about wanting an opening of society,

01:38:13.980 --> 01:38:16.460
<v Sam>wanting real democracy, wanting that change.

01:38:16.460 --> 01:38:21.820
<v Sam>There were massive demonstrations in Iran just a month or two ago that were

01:38:21.820 --> 01:38:23.400
<v Sam>put down like they usually did.

01:38:23.500 --> 01:38:29.540
<v Sam>But if they are given an opportunity by a decapitation of the leadership,

01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:37.880
<v Sam>there is a non-zero chance that just like the revolution in the 70s that caused

01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:44.180
<v Sam>the hostage crisis and everything else, the Iranian youth actually do take over the country.

01:38:44.180 --> 01:38:50.120
<v Sam>It's not impossible. I mean, it could turn out good for whom?

01:38:51.380 --> 01:38:56.680
<v Sam>Well, it could be a net positive for the Iranian people. It's possible.

01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.980
<v Sam>I'm not predicting that, but I'm saying it is within the realm of possibility

01:39:00.980 --> 01:39:04.720
<v Sam>that the Israelis and U.S.

01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:10.940
<v Sam>decapitate the Iranian government and that Iranian reformers take advantage

01:39:10.940 --> 01:39:12.720
<v Sam>of it and we get a good outcome.

01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:16.100
<v Ivan>But it's possible, but it's one of those things that, again,

01:39:16.540 --> 01:39:23.040
<v Ivan>it happens by accident, not necessarily by any plan, because I'm sure that we

01:39:23.040 --> 01:39:26.860
<v Ivan>didn't lay any groundwork in order to be able to support that.

01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:35.540
<v Sam>Right. It's kind of like, if you remember the Kurds in Iraq during the first

01:39:35.540 --> 01:39:36.760
<v Sam>George Bush administration.

01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:37.080
<v Ivan>Right.

01:39:37.620 --> 01:39:44.220
<v Sam>Where we gave a lot of noise about like, you know, hey, we're liberating Kuwait.

01:39:44.360 --> 01:39:47.000
<v Sam>Now's your time. You may want to rebel too.

01:39:47.180 --> 01:39:51.000
<v Sam>It would be a good time. And they did. And we backed them up with zero.

01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:51.760
<v Ivan>Right.

01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:53.080
<v Sam>Exactly.

01:39:53.240 --> 01:39:55.400
<v Ivan>We'll let them get slaughtered. Yeah. Exactly.

01:39:55.400 --> 01:39:59.460
<v Sam>You know, and that's another possible outcome here.

01:39:59.660 --> 01:40:10.120
<v Sam>But the key is, and I think this is a standard of Donald Trump and his administration as well.

01:40:11.040 --> 01:40:15.560
<v Sam>And frankly, it's a reason why a lot of people like him, is he's willing to

01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:21.640
<v Sam>take huge bets where there may be a massive downside possibility.

01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:25.280
<v Sam>but there's also a massive upside possibility.

01:40:25.660 --> 01:40:27.200
<v Sam>And he's just willing to roll the dice.

01:40:27.460 --> 01:40:30.900
<v Ivan>Basically, it's not even a roll of the dice, Sam. It's like putting all your

01:40:30.900 --> 01:40:33.480
<v Ivan>money on one number on the roulette table. Okay.

01:40:34.160 --> 01:40:40.360
<v Ivan>You know, there's 40 fucking numbers. The likelihood that you will succeed is stupidly low.

01:40:40.580 --> 01:40:42.820
<v Ivan>It's not, this isn't the grand plan.

01:40:43.100 --> 01:40:47.820
<v Ivan>I mean, if it happens, it's just pure luck. Yeah.

01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:53.000
<v Ivan>It's dumb luck! Pure dumb luck! Period. End of story.

01:40:54.820 --> 01:41:01.300
<v Sam>Unfortunately, this man has had a lot of pure dumb luck and had things that

01:41:01.300 --> 01:41:05.140
<v Sam>should have landed him in jail decades ago,

01:41:05.280 --> 01:41:09.960
<v Sam>and instead, he's president of the fucking United States for the second time.

01:41:10.040 --> 01:41:14.340
<v Ivan>Ah, for the love of fucking God. Yeah. Okay, so on that note, shit.

01:41:15.910 --> 01:41:22.210
<v Ivan>Fuck me. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. You're right. Son of a bitch.

01:41:23.050 --> 01:41:26.010
<v Sam>Anyway. Yeah. Let's close it up.

01:41:26.310 --> 01:41:27.250
<v Ivan>Yeah, let's close it up.

01:41:28.230 --> 01:41:31.510
<v Sam>Okay, everybody. You know, I almost said electiongraphs.com,

01:41:31.590 --> 01:41:35.770
<v Sam>but there's nothing happening there yet. Soon. Soon. We'll set up for 2028.

01:41:36.910 --> 01:41:41.190
<v Sam>But curmudgeons-corner.com. You can go there. You can find all our old shows,

01:41:41.350 --> 01:41:45.330
<v Sam>transcripts, all the ways to contact us, all that kind of fun stuff.

01:41:45.330 --> 01:41:54.290
<v Sam>and of course you can find our Patreon so you can give us money at various levels we will send you a,

01:41:55.050 --> 01:41:57.750
<v Sam>we'll mention you on the show we'll ring a bell we'll send you

01:41:57.750 --> 01:42:00.770
<v Sam>a postcard we'll send you a mug all that kind of fun stuff at $2

01:42:00.770 --> 01:42:04.830
<v Sam>a month or more or if you just ask us we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's

01:42:04.830 --> 01:42:10.470
<v Sam>Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and all kinds of other folks are chatting throughout

01:42:10.470 --> 01:42:15.430
<v Sam>the week sharing links talking about the news talking about other stuff and

01:42:15.430 --> 01:42:20.690
<v Sam>we would love to have you the more the merrier so Yvonne, what's a highlight,

01:42:21.370 --> 01:42:26.370
<v Sam>from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that we have not mentioned on the show yet okay.

01:42:26.570 --> 01:42:32.350
<v Ivan>I will mention this I shared this on a random channel and this is something

01:42:32.350 --> 01:42:37.250
<v Ivan>that I that I dearly love and there is this there was this article about,

01:42:38.130 --> 01:42:45.850
<v Ivan>it was called the title is Inside the Cutthroat Competition for the best baguette in Paris. Okay?

01:42:47.670 --> 01:42:51.710
<v Ivan>Bread is God in Paris. Enter the Baguette Grand Prix.

01:42:51.890 --> 01:42:59.210
<v Ivan>There is this entire competition where all the bakeries in France go and,

01:42:59.210 --> 01:43:02.670
<v Ivan>like, submit these baguettes to be judged for the best baguettes.

01:43:03.170 --> 01:43:07.790
<v Ivan>in Paris, okay? And there is this entire process of evaluating,

01:43:08.070 --> 01:43:12.110
<v Ivan>looking at them, tasting them, judging them in order to arrive at the best baguette.

01:43:12.250 --> 01:43:19.830
<v Ivan>And my fucking God, I would give anything to be a judge on this fucking competition

01:43:19.830 --> 01:43:24.350
<v Ivan>because I sure fucking love a baguette. Oh my God.

01:43:25.030 --> 01:43:25.830
<v Sam>There you go.

01:43:26.830 --> 01:43:30.590
<v Ivan>You gotta look at the picture. It looks so delicious.

01:43:30.610 --> 01:43:34.090
<v Sam>Do you eat it straight or with butter? or with some other topping?

01:43:34.250 --> 01:43:37.150
<v Ivan>How do you consume it? I know with butter is my preferred, obviously, yes.

01:43:37.390 --> 01:43:44.070
<v Ivan>You know, with a nice, just, you know, a nice baguette warm with just a little bit of butter.

01:43:44.570 --> 01:43:48.810
<v Ivan>You know, it's just excellent. There is this French butter brand that I like

01:43:48.810 --> 01:43:52.030
<v Ivan>that's just, it's so expensive, which is why I don't normally buy it,

01:43:52.070 --> 01:43:54.390
<v Ivan>but it's so good whenever I get it. Oh my gosh.

01:43:55.150 --> 01:43:57.210
<v Sam>Now you have me wanting one of these.

01:43:57.490 --> 01:44:00.090
<v Ivan>Oh my God, it's, it's.

01:44:00.170 --> 01:44:01.310
<v Sam>Or at least some kind of breakfast.

01:44:01.470 --> 01:44:07.790
<v Ivan>It's glorious, man. I'm telling you. I had to find the brand of the butter.

01:44:08.050 --> 01:44:15.350
<v Ivan>I will tell you that out of all my butters, near my top are the European butter

01:44:15.350 --> 01:44:18.430
<v Ivan>is usually like Lurepak or Irish butter.

01:44:18.610 --> 01:44:25.570
<v Ivan>Those are really good. But there is this one specific butter that I'm pulling

01:44:25.570 --> 01:44:30.430
<v Ivan>up the name like over here, which is it's not easy to find.

01:44:30.430 --> 01:44:38.710
<v Ivan>And it's also stupidly expensive, which is why I will admit that it's just so expensive.

01:44:38.950 --> 01:44:46.750
<v Ivan>You can't have this on a regular basis.

01:44:47.070 --> 01:44:50.490
<v Ivan>It's called Eschire, okay?

01:44:51.350 --> 01:44:55.490
<v Sam>And you don't want to waste it on normal crappy bread. No, no.

01:44:56.790 --> 01:45:00.510
<v Ivan>It's Eschire. It's from France. it's just,

01:45:01.590 --> 01:45:04.330
<v Ivan>if you let me see if I last time

01:45:04.330 --> 01:45:08.070
<v Ivan>I looked it up it was just so stupidly expensive it's it's

01:45:08.070 --> 01:45:14.930
<v Ivan>but but it's it's absolutely delicious it see it one little container of SRA

01:45:14.930 --> 01:45:22.230
<v Ivan>okay all right a little container is sixteen dollars okay if you buy I see where

01:45:22.230 --> 01:45:24.730
<v Ivan>they sell it like in a package okay if you get like a,

01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:28.880
<v Ivan>You know how you would get like four bricks of butter for like $10,

01:45:29.020 --> 01:45:33.820
<v Ivan>$15, $20 at Costco? The same amount for this, $240.

01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:36.580
<v Sam>Yeah, okay.

01:45:37.120 --> 01:45:40.060
<v Ivan>This is why I don't buy this butter. I'm not going to, I mean.

01:45:41.340 --> 01:45:43.840
<v Sam>I'll stick with some land of lakes or something, you know.

01:45:43.940 --> 01:45:47.800
<v Ivan>Yeah, but, I mean, and the problem is that, yeah, you want to because you'll

01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:49.320
<v Ivan>try it and then you'll be like.

01:45:49.940 --> 01:45:55.740
<v Sam>You know, Brandy occasionally gets some fancy Irish butter.

01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:56.640
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:56.720 --> 01:46:01.420
<v Sam>And, you know, and I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, I'll be honest,

01:46:01.420 --> 01:46:06.080
<v Sam>I can barely tell the difference, but I can recognize it's a little bit better.

01:46:06.540 --> 01:46:10.340
<v Sam>But, you know, I can see occasionally blurred.

01:46:10.340 --> 01:46:19.320
<v Ivan>This one is, it's stupid. It's over and above the norm of how good it is. Okay, all right.

01:46:19.500 --> 01:46:22.880
<v Ivan>I mean, literally, it's just stupidly good.

01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.040
<v Ivan>I'm going to try to see if I find a place that has it cheaper than, like, at that.

01:46:28.200 --> 01:46:31.180
<v Ivan>But almost all the places that I've seen it, when I've gone to buy it,

01:46:31.320 --> 01:46:32.980
<v Ivan>it's been like, oh, it's $80.

01:46:33.360 --> 01:46:38.660
<v Ivan>Oh, it's $200. I'm like, oh, fuck me. No, no. I can't start eating,

01:46:38.660 --> 01:46:46.140
<v Ivan>you know, butter that costs, you know, $80, like, you know, for just something

01:46:46.140 --> 01:46:48.240
<v Ivan>that costs, like, $15 on the other one.

01:46:48.300 --> 01:46:52.580
<v Ivan>It seems like, on a daily basis, it seems extravagant. Extravagant.

01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:57.220
<v Sam>Right. Yeah. I mean, I can see splurging every once in a while as a treat,

01:46:57.220 --> 01:46:59.720
<v Sam>but that's different than making this your everyday butter.

01:46:59.960 --> 01:47:02.260
<v Ivan>Yeah. No, it's just, it's too much.

01:47:03.530 --> 01:47:07.890
<v Sam>Okay. One last thing. I'm going to do my Robin letter promo again.

01:47:08.110 --> 01:47:18.210
<v Sam>Just as stats for everybody, we're up to 37 users at the moment who have made, where's my number here?

01:47:19.050 --> 01:47:28.370
<v Sam>47 updates so far between those 37 users across seven Robins.

01:47:29.050 --> 01:47:30.830
<v Sam>By the way, as you mentioned on the Slack.

01:47:30.990 --> 01:47:36.150
<v Ivan>My thing about creating a pitch deck to sell it was only half in jest. It's not completely.

01:47:37.890 --> 01:47:44.250
<v Ivan>I did it first kind of like jokingly, but I realized later, maybe this isn't

01:47:44.250 --> 01:47:47.410
<v Ivan>a complete joke. After I started putting everything together.

01:47:47.650 --> 01:47:53.490
<v Ivan>So we do need to discuss this at some point. Maybe not as much money as I put

01:47:53.490 --> 01:47:55.450
<v Ivan>it there, but then I thought about it.

01:47:55.450 --> 01:47:59.290
<v Sam>Yvonne's joking about getting us $50 million in funding for this thing.

01:47:59.290 --> 01:48:04.930
<v Ivan>But here's the thing, Sam. Look at all the stupid shit that's gotten a lot more money than this.

01:48:05.130 --> 01:48:08.310
<v Ivan>And it's a lot dumber. And more expensive.

01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:12.620
<v Sam>Yeah yeah yeah i mean and you know

01:48:12.620 --> 01:48:15.340
<v Sam>as i've as i said on the curmudgeon's course

01:48:15.340 --> 01:48:17.980
<v Sam>slack about no i didn't say it on the sock i said it in one of

01:48:17.980 --> 01:48:21.500
<v Sam>the robins ah yes you know there there are

01:48:21.500 --> 01:48:25.780
<v Sam>potential issues with venture funding and how it matches and expectations and

01:48:25.780 --> 01:48:29.300
<v Sam>maybe there are ways to get money organically but i don't know i don't know

01:48:29.300 --> 01:48:34.620
<v Sam>i'm i'm willing to talk i'm willing to talk if if anybody wants to like buy

01:48:34.620 --> 01:48:38.340
<v Sam>me out for a few million dollars i'd have to at least think about it, you know,

01:48:38.500 --> 01:48:41.940
<v Sam>but anyway.

01:48:42.660 --> 01:48:48.120
<v Sam>Anyway, it's actually a lot of fun and people have been, it varies Robin to Robin.

01:48:48.280 --> 01:48:53.220
<v Sam>Like I have one that I tried to start up for like people I knew from the Seattle

01:48:53.220 --> 01:48:56.200
<v Sam>area that's starting very, very slowly.

01:48:56.620 --> 01:49:00.740
<v Sam>Only a couple of people have accepted their invitations, even after I solicited

01:49:00.740 --> 01:49:03.580
<v Sam>and said, would you be willing to do this?

01:49:03.660 --> 01:49:06.500
<v Sam>And they said, yeah, sign me up. And then they haven't actually followed up.

01:49:06.500 --> 01:49:13.020
<v Sam>So that, that one's going really slowly, but like my, the one for the curmudgeons

01:49:13.020 --> 01:49:16.260
<v Sam>corner Slack has with a bunch of people who are on our Slack,

01:49:16.440 --> 01:49:20.080
<v Sam>people have been giving like heartfelt updates about their lives.

01:49:20.440 --> 01:49:24.860
<v Sam>And for the ones that I've started with my cousins on the two sides of my family,

01:49:25.100 --> 01:49:28.420
<v Sam>I've, they're real updates from people where they've written about what's going

01:49:28.420 --> 01:49:31.960
<v Sam>on with them and their kids and stuff. And so it's, it's actually pretty.

01:49:32.490 --> 01:49:37.170
<v Sam>doing its intended purpose, you know, but it's still all people I know.

01:49:37.570 --> 01:49:42.870
<v Sam>So we need to get past that. And I need to build out a couple more features

01:49:42.870 --> 01:49:47.210
<v Sam>before it's like really fully baked.

01:49:47.230 --> 01:49:50.250
<v Sam>I would say like it's got most of the key functionality, but like,

01:49:50.310 --> 01:49:52.030
<v Sam>I know there's some things missing.

01:49:52.290 --> 01:49:55.010
<v Sam>You need to be able to upload pictures. People want to do that.

01:49:55.150 --> 01:49:58.990
<v Sam>You need to be able to comment on posts when it's not your turn.

01:49:59.150 --> 01:50:02.630
<v Sam>The more I've actually played with this, the more I've wanted to do that myself.

01:50:03.050 --> 01:50:05.250
<v Sam>So, you know, I've got a few, I've got work to do.

01:50:05.890 --> 01:50:08.970
<v Sam>But, but yeah, I don't know. We'll, we'll, we'll talk, Yvonne.

01:50:09.110 --> 01:50:13.790
<v Sam>We'll talk, Yvonne. Maybe we can do something. But anyway, my point was.

01:50:14.030 --> 01:50:17.790
<v Ivan>My whole thing is, look, why not take a stab at it? You have a product.

01:50:18.010 --> 01:50:19.930
<v Ivan>I, I, I, I think there's some potential.

01:50:20.230 --> 01:50:22.430
<v Ivan>Okay. So I think we need to seriously discuss.

01:50:23.160 --> 01:50:26.760
<v Sam>Okay. Like we, we said we were going to talk last week and then we didn't.

01:50:26.860 --> 01:50:28.260
<v Sam>We'll, we'll, we'll make sure it happens.

01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:31.320
<v Ivan>Almost getting killed and shit. Okay.

01:50:31.580 --> 01:50:37.500
<v Sam>You know, well, it was also me. Like I, I, I said, let's talk about it tomorrow.

01:50:37.980 --> 01:50:40.840
<v Ivan>I'm sure it's on your task list. So it will at some point. Yeah.

01:50:41.140 --> 01:50:45.900
<v Sam>Like at some point I'll, I'll randomly pick, talk to Yvonne and then I'll text

01:50:45.900 --> 01:50:51.040
<v Sam>you and you'll, you will have gotten run over by a motorcycle and you won't be available.

01:50:51.340 --> 01:50:58.320
<v Sam>So that could be, you know, anyway, Anyway, my point was, I got 37 users now. I want more.

01:50:58.460 --> 01:51:04.960
<v Sam>So if you are listening to this and you have not yet been invited and actually

01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:06.680
<v Sam>joined one of these Robins.

01:51:06.860 --> 01:51:11.340
<v Sam>Oh, and by the way, I have, there are still how many people who have not accepted?

01:51:12.060 --> 01:51:17.580
<v Sam>I still have 20 open invites from invites that have gone out,

01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:22.420
<v Sam>but the people haven't accepted yet, in addition to the 37 that are already online.

01:51:22.420 --> 01:51:26.260
<v Sam>so if you are interested

01:51:26.260 --> 01:51:29.280
<v Sam>at all willing at all even if you're not super interested if

01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:33.160
<v Sam>you're willing to give it a shot contact me feedback at

01:51:33.160 --> 01:51:37.820
<v Sam>robinletter.com and i'll get you an invite anyway and then you can go from there

01:51:37.820 --> 01:51:42.660
<v Sam>that's it that's it i am done for real now thanks everybody for joining us yet

01:51:42.660 --> 01:51:47.460
<v Sam>again and after yvonne talked about all that bread i think i need to go find

01:51:47.460 --> 01:51:52.320
<v Sam>some breakfast soon i'm hungry i'm all i'm also tired because i mentioned i woke up just

01:51:52.420 --> 01:51:57.300
<v Sam>before the show, but I'd only been asleep like two and a half hours at that point.

01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:02.700
<v Sam>Cause I, I, I, I was, I was doing some stuff like we.

01:52:03.710 --> 01:52:06.910
<v Sam>I don't want to get into the whole story, but we replaced our projector that

01:52:06.910 --> 01:52:07.810
<v Sam>we use in our living room.

01:52:07.890 --> 01:52:11.850
<v Sam>The old one died, got a new one. I installed it, mounted it on the ceiling.

01:52:12.510 --> 01:52:15.950
<v Sam>Alex helped me mount it at first, but we had some problems. So,

01:52:16.070 --> 01:52:20.290
<v Sam>like, at, like, one in the morning, I realized I had to fix some shit because

01:52:20.290 --> 01:52:24.650
<v Sam>the way we'd done it the first time was not going to stay. Okay?

01:52:24.990 --> 01:52:30.270
<v Ivan>It's kind of like the fucking scale that, you know, you guys are not experts

01:52:30.270 --> 01:52:33.310
<v Ivan>at hanging anything on the fucking ceiling is what I'm realizing.

01:52:34.310 --> 01:52:39.950
<v Sam>We haven't told that story on the thing. My son bought a hanging scale to weigh

01:52:39.950 --> 01:52:43.270
<v Sam>the dog and mounted it from the ceiling and stuff like that. Anyway.

01:52:43.410 --> 01:52:46.430
<v Ivan>And apparently on the first attempt, apparently, you know, I'm like,

01:52:46.570 --> 01:52:48.450
<v Ivan>I went, I stupidly asked what he said.

01:52:48.710 --> 01:52:52.310
<v Ivan>Oh, wow. He found the stud on the first try. That's amazing.

01:52:52.490 --> 01:52:57.050
<v Ivan>And then Sam was like, oh, no, he actually didn't. And it came crashing down. Oh, of course.

01:52:57.710 --> 01:52:59.150
<v Sam>He found it on the second try.

01:52:59.270 --> 01:52:59.710
<v Ivan>Of course.

01:53:01.210 --> 01:53:04.810
<v Sam>I asked him when I first came upstairs, I'm like, you remember to put that in

01:53:04.810 --> 01:53:06.930
<v Sam>a stud, right? And he's like, stud?

01:53:07.270 --> 01:53:08.230
<v Ivan>He's like, stud?

01:53:10.130 --> 01:53:13.790
<v Sam>And then so he tried it and it, of course, came out. Like, it wasn't like a

01:53:13.790 --> 01:53:16.730
<v Sam>big crash and burn type thing, but it came out.

01:53:16.830 --> 01:53:21.070
<v Ivan>It was just, yeah, well, it just slid out. Yeah. Well, thank God it wasn't more

01:53:21.070 --> 01:53:22.030
<v Ivan>damaged. Yeah. Okay, good.

01:53:22.690 --> 01:53:26.870
<v Sam>Yeah. And so he put it back up and he did it the right way. And then when we

01:53:26.870 --> 01:53:30.450
<v Sam>mounted the projector, it was in fact a similar issue.

01:53:31.150 --> 01:53:39.210
<v Sam>And then I, like 1.30 in the morning, I'm like, okay, we're going to fix this. And he was tired.

01:53:39.370 --> 01:53:45.570
<v Sam>He fell asleep. But I kept working on it. I remounted everything properly.

01:53:45.910 --> 01:53:53.610
<v Sam>I had to readjust how some of the wiring was because it wasn't exactly in the

01:53:53.610 --> 01:53:55.050
<v Sam>same position as the old one.

01:53:55.050 --> 01:54:02.730
<v Sam>And there was one screw that in the mounting hardware that got broken in the process.

01:54:03.010 --> 01:54:06.690
<v Sam>And I had to figure out a way to make it all work anyway.

01:54:07.090 --> 01:54:10.910
<v Sam>Anyway, and by the way, while all this was going on, we were going to war.

01:54:11.330 --> 01:54:16.270
<v Sam>And so even once I got it all mounted, even once it got all mounted,

01:54:16.530 --> 01:54:21.330
<v Sam>I turned on my four up news channels and sat there watching news for a couple more hours.

01:54:21.850 --> 01:54:24.850
<v Sam>And yeah, so I've had less than three hours sleep.

01:54:25.050 --> 01:54:31.130
<v Sam>So I have competing impulses in me right now. I am hungry and I am tired.

01:54:31.590 --> 01:54:37.490
<v Sam>And Alex is still asleep. So the question is, do I get food or do I take a nap

01:54:37.490 --> 01:54:42.770
<v Sam>or do I actually try to do something productive or some combination of the three?

01:54:42.970 --> 01:54:51.590
<v Sam>Like I could drive somewhere to get food and on the way sleep in the car and

01:54:51.590 --> 01:54:56.230
<v Sam>then shove food into my mouth while I'm asleep as well and choke on it.

01:54:57.440 --> 01:54:58.480
<v Sam>Does that sound like a plan?

01:54:58.940 --> 01:54:59.340
<v Ivan>Perfect.

01:55:00.160 --> 01:55:03.440
<v Sam>And I've got Robin Letter work to do. I rolled Robin Letter,

01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:06.380
<v Sam>more stuff on Robin Letter. I'm fixing some bugs right now.

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:12.520
<v Sam>I have a list of bugs and things to look at before I go adding new features. So I got to do that too.

01:55:13.220 --> 01:55:17.800
<v Sam>And other stuff that needs to be done. So anyway, I was saying goodbye.

01:55:18.240 --> 01:55:21.880
<v Sam>Bye. Goodbye, everybody. Have a great week. Stay safe. Have fun.

01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:23.460
<v Sam>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:55:24.900 --> 01:55:27.560
<v Sam>And we'll talk again next week. Goodbye. Bye.

01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:04.380
<v Sam>Okay. That's it. Hit and stop, Ivan. Have a good rest of your weekend.

01:56:05.060 --> 01:56:05.540
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:56:06.040 --> 01:56:06.520
<v Sam>Bye.

