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<v Sam>We can start. We'll do a little bit short because I have a Brandystown Hall is at 21.

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<v Sam>Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Here we go.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, February 21st, 2026.

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<v Sam>It is just before 19 UTC, as we are starting to record.

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<v Sam>I am Sam Mentor and Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello. Hi. How is everybody doing?

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<v Ivan>Is everything great, Sam? Are we great already?

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<v Ivan>Is America great?

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<v Sam>America is great. It's amazing. It has been made great again.

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<v Ivan>It's been made great again.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Oh, that's wonderful. So are we done?

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<v Sam>Yep. Thank you. Good show.

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<v Ivan>All right.

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<v Sam>Goodbye.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Put the music on. Okay.

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<v Sam>Yep. Here we go.

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<v Ivan>Outro music. Here we go. Okay. We're done.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>There you go. Yeah, we're done.

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<v Sam>Okay. Okay. Well, let's stop.

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<v Ivan>Oh, no. We're not done.

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<v Sam>No. No. No.

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<v Ivan>Oh. Oh. Oh, well. Damn.

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<v Sam>So. So we'll do our usual, a segment of lighter stuff and then more newsy stuff as we go along.

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<v Sam>We will probably be a bit short today because it's 19 UTC and I got somewhere to be at 21 UTC.

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<v Sam>My wife's having one of those town hall things that elected officials do and I'm going to go.

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<v Sam>So anyway, so where do you want to start, Yvonne, with the lighter,

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<v Sam>frothier beginning of the show stuff? I got a couple.

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<v Ivan>Lighter let me see did I did I make any note of anything light and frothy,

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<v Ivan>Light and frothy, light and frothy.

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<v Sam>I mean, if you really want to, you can dive straight into the world going to

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<v Sam>hell or something. But, you know, we usually leave that to the end of the show.

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<v Ivan>Because in the interest of time, you know, let's go to your movies.

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<v Ivan>Okay, let's get, you know, let's, yeah, because we have a little bit.

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<v Sam>Okay, let's bash out the movies. Bash out the movies.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>First one, Tuck Everlasting from 2002.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Have you ever heard of it?

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>Okay, so it's got Alexis Bledel, who is known for Gilmore Girls and other things,

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<v Sam>and Ben Kingsley, Sissy Spacek, Amy Irving, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>Anyway, first couple paragraphs of the description.

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<v Sam>In 1914, 15-year-old Winnie Foster, who is from an upper-class family in the

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<v Sam>American town of Tree Gap, wants to make her own choices in life.

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<v Sam>After being told that she will go to a boarding school, she runs off into the

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<v Sam>forest, where she meets Jesse Tuck, who is drinking from a spring at the foot of a great tree.

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<v Sam>She is kidnapped by his older brother Miles and brought back to the Tuck's home,

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<v Sam>where they tell her they will return her as soon as they can trust her.

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<v Sam>She becomes enamored with their slow and simple way of life and falls in love with Jesse.

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<v Sam>She learns that, by drinking water from a magic spring around a hundred years

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<v Sam>ago, the tucks cannot age or be injured, and that they kidnapped her to hide the secret.

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<v Sam>They tell her that living forever is more painful than it sounds,

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<v Sam>and they believe giving away the secret of the spring will lead everyone to

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<v Sam>want to drink from it and worry that it might fall into the wrong hands.",

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<v Sam>And the movie continues from there. Yvonne seems skeptical.

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<v Ivan>It doesn't sound like a movie that I would be interested in.

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<v Sam>It's sort of like a combination between sort of, you know,

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<v Sam>a romance slash type movie, because there's a love story, blah,

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<v Sam>blah, blah, with some of these fantasy elements thrown in with obviously these

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<v Sam>people who can live forever and what that means to life, whatever.

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<v Sam>you know i i will i will give it a you

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<v Sam>know i i after one of our more recent reviews i decided that may may maybe i

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<v Sam>should be like i don't know like a little bit more like there was there was

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<v Sam>a series of reviews where i get i gave something a thumbs up even though i was wavering on it,

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<v Sam>and then there was another thing you're.

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<v Ivan>Wavering usually or mr thumbs sideways.

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<v Sam>Yeah i know and And then there was another one where I think I gave it a thumb

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<v Sam>sideways, but I was like, you

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<v Sam>know, actually, I enjoyed that better than the one I gave a thumbs up to.

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<v Ivan>So what the hell is wrong with you?

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<v Sam>I don't know. I'm just inconsistent. I'm horrible. I'm horrible.

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<v Sam>I will give this one a thumb sideways in the end. I was considering a thumbs up.

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<v Sam>It's a cute little movie. It was fine. It was good.

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<v Sam>And this is another thing. Like I should not give a thumbs up to a movie where I say this was fine.

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<v Sam>That's, that's like thumb sideways material, right?

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<v Ivan>Yes. I agree. Yeah.

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<v Sam>It was an entertaining couple of hours. I enjoyed the movie.

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<v Sam>The, the, the ending like pulled at my heartstrings a little bit,

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<v Sam>but it was nothing special.

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<v Sam>It was nothing like super memorable.

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<v Sam>I think I should leave the thumbs up for the ones that feel like there's something

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<v Sam>special, But that means almost everything's going to be a thumb sideways.

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<v Sam>See, that's the problem.

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<v Ivan>Well...

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<v Ivan>But, so, maybe, I just thought about this, right? Because the problem is that you've got a three.

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<v Sam>Maybe I should have more. Maybe I should do a five-point scale instead.

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<v Ivan>The thumbs diagonal. The AAS, which would be an innovative ad.

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<v Ivan>I don't think anybody has, hey, I've got the thumb kind of downward.

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<v Ivan>Or, no, I got the thumb kind of upward, okay? Which this would be.

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<v Sam>I'm at 35 degrees.

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<v Ivan>The 35 degree thumb. Yes. So you're at a 35 degree thumb on this movie. Yes.

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<v Sam>Yeah. I didn't think deeply about that number or anything. 45 would be halfway

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<v Sam>between up and sideways.

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<v Ivan>You know, but, but Hey, it could be, you see, but we're talking about degrees.

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<v Ivan>It could be 35, could be 45.

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<v Ivan>Hey, maybe it could be 65 degree. It could be, you know, almost all the way,

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<v Ivan>but you're, you're not all the way.

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<v Ivan>So you, you, this is like, It gives you a lot of varying degrees.

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<v Sam>A lot of varying degrees.

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<v Ivan>For grading the movie.

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<v Sam>Right. Yes. So, which gets you close to, like, you know, the Rotten Tomatoes rating is 61%.

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<v Ivan>Look at that! You see? It actually matches.

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<v Sam>Yes. And with an average rating of 6.3 out of 10. Critical Consensus Reads,

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<v Sam>Though slow-moving, Talk Everlasting raises big issues and explores them with sensitivity.

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<v Sam>Roger Ebert gave the film two stars out of four, writing that the film is too

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<v Sam>impressed with its own solemn insights to work up much entertainment value.

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<v Sam>He further wrote that the film's message was questionable, opining the injunction

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<v Sam>to live life fully need not come with a time limit.

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<v Sam>That's why the outcome of the romance is so unsatisfactory. Anyway.

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<v Ivan>It's so unsatisfactory. That sounds like, it doesn't sound like a great romance

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<v Ivan>when your romance is unsatisfactory.

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<v Sam>Well, just to be clear.

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<v Ivan>It's really a very depressing description. Hey, but listen, hey,

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<v Ivan>Sam, how was your last girlfriend?

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<v Ivan>It was unsatisfactory. I don't think that I've ever heard anybody describing

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<v Ivan>their last romantic entanglement as unsatisfactory.

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<v Ivan>And that would be quite weird. If they did.

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<v Sam>Even if it was bad, that's not the word they use.

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<v Ivan>No, exactly. That's my point. Yes, that would not be, you know,

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<v Ivan>hey, you were dating Jan. How did that go?

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<v Ivan>Eh, you know, it's unsatisfactory.

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<v Sam>Well, I will say that the ending, without giving the spoilers away,

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<v Sam>was somewhat unsatisfactory.

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<v Sam>I ended up disappointed. It does not end necessarily the way that romance movies typically end.

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<v Sam>But nevertheless, not a completely shocking ending.

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<v Sam>But unsatisfactory is kind of a good word for it.

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<v Sam>But I think actually that was part of the point that they were trying to make with the movie.

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<v Sam>Anyway, thumbs sideways. Shall I move on? Again, in the interest of time. Okay.

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<v Sam>Ah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Let's see. Just making sure...

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<v Sam>Okay, the next movie from 2016, the third movie in the Divergent series, Allegiant.

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<v Ivan>Allegiant?

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<v Sam>Allegiant. Oh, boy. I believe I...

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<v Ivan>That is the stupid Diver... I hate that fucking series.

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<v Sam>Well, what I was going to say...

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<v Ivan>It was the most, the whole thing was the most bombastic, overrated fucking movie series ever.

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<v Sam>Wasn't this one that you said you saw the later ones, but not the first one? Or did you see all three?

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<v Ivan>No, I think I saw the early one. Oh, no, no. I don't even remember anymore.

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<v Sam>Because my review— I've got to be honest. This is the third of the series.

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<v Sam>And my—and I've talked about the other two on the show before.

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<v Sam>But my fundamental on this one is this is one of the series where each one is

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<v Sam>worse than the one before.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Yes, that was— And the first one, I actually quite enjoyed. I liked the first one, A Decent Amit.

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<v Sam>A Decent Amit? Amit? Amit? A Decent Amit?

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>I probably gave it a thumbs up. You know, this one, I mean, you know,

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<v Sam>if you watch a movie series, I don't know.

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<v Sam>I'm one of the ones who are like, you got to watch the whole series,

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<v Sam>right? You got to judge it as a whole, not just individual movies.

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<v Sam>But like, this is one, and there were supposed to be four. They canceled the

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<v Sam>fourth one because the third one did badly, you know. Right.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, they were going to, this thing was supposed to be extended, but it kept.

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<v Sam>At first there was going to be a fourth movie. Then they were like,

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<v Sam>no, we'll follow it up with a TV series. And then they're like,

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<v Sam>you know, nevermind. We're not even going to.

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<v Ivan>Nevermind. Nobody liked the third one. Fuck this shit. We're done.

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<v Ivan>We're out. Yeah. Basically, that was the conclusion.

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<v Sam>Essentially. And I've heard good things about the book series,

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<v Sam>including, you know, all of the books and continuing on even past where the

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<v Sam>movies went, but I have not read them.

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<v Sam>But should I give this one a thumbs down? Like, again, in the ways that we were

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<v Sam>talking about before, I've usually reserved thumbs down for movies that were really like...

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<v Sam>not just not good, but like, so not good. It was an offensive and you were upset by them.

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<v Sam>And like, I, I, I feel offended that I wasted my time.

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<v Sam>That that's not quite the case on this. So like, you know, okay.

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<v Sam>Uh, what, what's, what's between 90 and 180.

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<v Sam>Let's, let's call this a 120 or something like, so it's below, below thumbs sideways,

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<v Sam>but not all the way to thumbs down, you know and again i i liked the first movie

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<v Sam>the second movie okay this one was just like what are what are you doing exactly

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<v Sam>and and like part of apparently.

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<v Ivan>It is the apparently the that was the conclusion of everybody.

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<v Sam>That went to.

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<v Ivan>Watch this or most people at.

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<v Sam>Least and also to me like What made the first movie interesting was that,

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<v Sam>there were some interesting ideas to be explored.

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<v Sam>It wasn't just people running around, having adventures, doing action movie

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<v Sam>and battles and stuff like that.

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<v Sam>And it seemed like they kind of used up the interesting ideas to talk about

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<v Sam>in the first movie and maybe a little bit of the second movie.

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<v Sam>And so by the time they got to the third movie, it was just,

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<v Sam>oh, okay, there's these factions having a little war and doing these things.

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<v Sam>And so, you know, they try to do the special effects, they try to do the battles,

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<v Sam>they try to do the whatever, but without the sort of,

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<v Sam>without either the interesting ideas or any new interesting character development. And so...

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<v Ivan>Oh, what would be the fun in that?

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<v Sam>You know, and look, I fully admit there are some franchises and some movies that are just 100%,

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<v Sam>unapologetic we are an action movie we don't give a shit about the characters

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<v Sam>we don't really give a shit about the plot it's just.

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<v Ivan>We're gonna have a whole bunch of people fighting I will say that this last

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<v Ivan>week I was intrigued at trying to watch the new movie The Running Man okay that

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<v Ivan>was on Paramount Plus I must admit that I didn't really watch the whole thing

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<v Ivan>because I realized after like about the first 45 minutes that it was just

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<v Ivan>a whole repetitive bunch of action sequences that really didn't add to the plot in any way.

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<v Ivan>It was just chases and chases. So I wasn't really...

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<v Ivan>I actually wasn't watching it because I was like wanting to watch it.

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<v Ivan>Somebody had mentioned it, that it was quite different from the original one.

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<v Ivan>And what I understood was that it was actually closer to the original book.

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<v Ivan>And so I actually skipped through most of the middle part of all the just action

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<v Ivan>chasing whatever, just to figure out how it ended and how it was different from the original movie.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>So, but yeah, so yeah. But that's the thing. For somebody that was into,

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<v Ivan>hey, let me watch a whole bunch of action that didn't really add in any way to the plot,

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<v Ivan>this is your movie, I do think.

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<v Sam>Okay. Running Man. The new one.

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<v Ivan>Running Man. The new one. Yes.

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<v Sam>And it is a movie, not a series, right?

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<v Ivan>It's a movie. It's a movie. I think it was in theaters. It was on Paramount+. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, both of these movies really thumb sideways if I'm

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<v Sam>just using the three categories.

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<v Sam>And, you know, like I said, a little bit above thumb sideways for Tuck Everlasting,

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<v Sam>a little bit below thumb sideways for Divergent.

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<v Sam>And there we go. They're my movies.

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<v Sam>You want to go ahead and take a break and then do real stuff?

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yep.

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<v Sam>Okay. So here we go. Breakie, breakie. Break, break, break.

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<v Ivan>Breakie, breakie.

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<v Sam>And we're back.

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<v Ivan>We're back.

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<v Sam>Okay, so where do you want to start on the newsy stuff that's been happening in the last week?

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<v Ivan>Oh, what do we talk about? What do we talk about?

00:17:05.470 --> 00:17:09.130
<v Ivan>We'll talk about the thing. With the thing.

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<v Sam>The thing. Yeah. The thing.

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<v Ivan>The thing.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to, there is a whole bunch of stuff on the economy,

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<v Ivan>okay? And I thought I wrote down economy.

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<v Ivan>We had, you know, but.

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<v Sam>Yes, but, but, but.

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<v Ivan>But to cover something that we didn't talk about the previous week, okay?

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<v Ivan>I'm going to talk about the fact that Tesla has basically decided to punt on making cars.

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<v Sam>Ah, right, okay.

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<v Ivan>And that was skipped over.

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<v Sam>I've sort of looked at, I looked at some of the headlines you guys shared,

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<v Sam>but not being like the car guy, some of the other folks on the Corrugents Corner

00:17:46.770 --> 00:17:48.310
<v Sam>Slack are. I didn't look at the details.

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<v Ivan>First thing that happened.

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<v Sam>I know they're discontinuing some models, but not everything, right?

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, but understand the models that are discontinuing.

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<v Ivan>They decided to discontinue the Model S and the Model X. Understand something, the Model S.

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<v Sam>Yeah, just to be clear, like, so explain this. Like, I have no idea,

00:18:04.750 --> 00:18:05.910
<v Sam>like, the different letters.

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<v Ivan>The Model S, the Model S was the first real, I mean, Tesla, before Elon Musk

00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:18.230
<v Ivan>acquired it, and let's understand something, Elon Musk was not the founder of Tesla.

00:18:18.570 --> 00:18:18.790
<v Sam>Okay?

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<v Ivan>There's somebody else. By the way, that guy went on to Lucid,

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<v Ivan>okay? Elon Musk acquired Tesla, and they made this Roadster at first, okay?

00:18:26.930 --> 00:18:27.050
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Which was this little two-seat car that originally used a whole bunch of,

00:18:31.810 --> 00:18:35.550
<v Ivan>like, basically laptop batteries, okay, in order to be powered.

00:18:35.910 --> 00:18:38.130
<v Ivan>They were all tied together. And it was a cool little thing.

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<v Ivan>I saw a few of them around, but it wasn't really practical.

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<v Ivan>But the Model S, okay, is the sedan that we all know.

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<v Ivan>It really was a pioneer in electric vehicles.

00:18:49.370 --> 00:18:54.530
<v Ivan>It really changed the game on what people would expect from an electric car.

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<v Ivan>Because before that, the other cars that you saw was the Nissan Leaf or that

00:18:59.590 --> 00:19:01.890
<v Ivan>little Tesla Roadster that wasn't very useful.

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<v Ivan>They were very niche.

00:19:04.830 --> 00:19:09.250
<v Sam>They were either really small or were like weird designs.

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<v Ivan>Small.

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<v Ivan>or weird exactly this was

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<v Ivan>not just the fact that it was a sedan

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<v Ivan>that was practical okay it was fast

00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:25.160
<v Ivan>but it also they introduced with that car supercharging okay which was the biggest

00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:32.120
<v Ivan>problem with all almost all old electric cars charging was slow okay with the

00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:38.460
<v Ivan>model s you got this car that could charge pretty darn quickly,

00:19:38.760 --> 00:19:41.680
<v Ivan>20, 30 minutes, you got one hell of an amount of charge.

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<v Ivan>And it went from the old car, which all would take hours, okay, in order to be charged.

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<v Ivan>And so the Model S was a major game changer.

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<v Ivan>And then after that, they introduced the Model X, which was with the wing doors,

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<v Ivan>their SUV that they introduced.

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<v Ivan>That also was a game changer In that sense, it had a design that was quirky.

00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.580
<v Ivan>The doors, those Falcon doors were a pain in the ass.

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<v Ivan>They, you know, they fixed that after a while. But they had a tendency to fail at first and whatnot.

00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:17.420
<v Ivan>But it was also very, but those were their two pioneering cars.

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<v Ivan>The thing is that the way Tesla has operated since they launched the Model S

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<v Ivan>and Model X, they spent a lot of money on a whole bunch of other vanity projects.

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<v Ivan>Or, well, they did launch the Model 3. They didn't launch the Model Y.

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<v Ivan>But then after they've launched, but then they went and they launched the Cybertruck.

00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.060
<v Ivan>The Cybertruck has been a colossal disaster.

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<v Ivan>Right now, they cut prices across the board on Cybertrucks because they're not selling very well.

00:20:43.580 --> 00:20:46.320
<v Ivan>They've been stuck with inventory because they're not very practical.

00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:52.040
<v Ivan>As a truck, their cargo space is not good. They're not very good for towing.

00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.020
<v Ivan>They don't have very good range. Okay.

00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:56.400
<v Ivan>It just kind of looks...

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<v Ivan>Something that, yeah, little kids look at like, oh, cool, it's a Cybertruck.

00:21:00.820 --> 00:21:05.880
<v Ivan>Yeah, okay, great. But, you know, they will slice your fingers off if you're not careful with them.

00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.160
<v Sam>Alex looks for them and takes pictures of them to mock them whenever he sees them.

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<v Ivan>Okay, but you see, but they get attention, okay?

00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:13.980
<v Sam>They get attention.

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<v Ivan>They get attention.

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<v Sam>But they get lots of negative attention, too.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, but they're not practical, okay? They're not useful. They're very expensive.

00:21:22.540 --> 00:21:26.040
<v Ivan>They're way more expensive than they expected them to be. So they spent all

00:21:26.040 --> 00:21:32.460
<v Ivan>the money on that, and, you know, they spent money on developing this new Roadster

00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:33.920
<v Ivan>that they've never launched, and then they,

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<v Ivan>on the robo-taxis and a semi-truck, and the problem is that they never invested

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<v Ivan>any money on developing a proper replacement for the Model S and Model X.

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<v Ivan>Meanwhile, all the competition has been

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<v Ivan>launching a ton of new cars A ton of new cars that are much better built Much

00:21:58.360 --> 00:22:06.240
<v Ivan>better range Much better towing Everything They're better in a lot of ways than

00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.960
<v Ivan>the Teslas are right now And so,

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<v Ivan>The reality is that they didn't have any two cars left in there.

00:22:13.070 --> 00:22:16.730
<v Ivan>And I don't know, I guess Elon wants to make robots.

00:22:16.870 --> 00:22:18.910
<v Ivan>So he's canceling them, both of them.

00:22:19.070 --> 00:22:21.330
<v Ivan>And he's saying, well, they don't, we don't sell a lot of them.

00:22:21.510 --> 00:22:28.890
<v Ivan>Look, in the luxury car business, selling 50,000 cars is a lot of revenue. Okay.

00:22:29.450 --> 00:22:35.790
<v Ivan>50,000 cars a year is this, you know, when you're selling an average price of $70,000.

00:22:36.550 --> 00:22:40.990
<v Ivan>Okay. How much is it? Oh, come on. Ivan, you could do this math quicker.

00:22:41.550 --> 00:22:52.170
<v Ivan>Uh, it's, oh, God, $3.5 billion in revenue, okay? This is not a small and consequential amount.

00:22:52.370 --> 00:22:58.230
<v Ivan>Plus, usually these cars at that price point tend to be more profitable.

00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:04.410
<v Ivan>You could command a bigger premium, okay? So that tends to improve your bottom line.

00:23:04.630 --> 00:23:09.510
<v Ivan>The other cars have thinner margins. So I've said,

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<v Ivan>I mean, all of a sudden they're abandoning their two pioneering models with

00:23:14.670 --> 00:23:22.190
<v Ivan>no replacements and saying that he's redirecting that to robots that I don't,

00:23:22.310 --> 00:23:24.450
<v Ivan>I've never seen a real working one.

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<v Sam>These humanoid robot things that at the demos tend to actually be remote controlled

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<v Sam>by a human somewhere else.

00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:37.710
<v Ivan>Exactly. And he's always, he's going to give up a revenue stream in the billions

00:23:37.710 --> 00:23:44.390
<v Ivan>profitable for robots that aren't even close to really being ready for prime time.

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<v Ivan>What the fuck? It's crazy.

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<v Sam>So now, I understand that switch, but.

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<v Ivan>Oh, the other thing that they're doing.

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<v Sam>By the way. What about the cars they are still making?

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<v Ivan>Well, their sales are tanking of all of those too, because fucking Elon Musk

00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:01.930
<v Ivan>has made the company toxic.

00:24:02.590 --> 00:24:03.070
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

00:24:04.130 --> 00:24:07.910
<v Ivan>He has made himself a toxic brand. Everybody's running away.

00:24:08.150 --> 00:24:11.130
<v Ivan>He's losing market share everywhere. Okay?

00:24:13.310 --> 00:24:16.970
<v Ivan>And, I don't know, now he's talking that they're an AI company,

00:24:16.970 --> 00:24:24.510
<v Ivan>and he's going to merge everything into consolidated, amalgamated Elon industries, I guess.

00:24:24.790 --> 00:24:25.130
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:30.630
<v Ivan>AI. And I don't understand. Look, if they're investing so much on AI,

00:24:30.890 --> 00:24:33.270
<v Ivan>FSD being so important, FSD, FSD, FSD.

00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:38.630
<v Ivan>and I'm like but you're gonna stop selling the cars so you can charge for the

00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:42.190
<v Ivan>fucking FSD so what the fuck now by the way there's only a subscription you

00:24:42.190 --> 00:24:49.630
<v Ivan>can't even buy it anymore outright you have to pay Tesla $100 a month every month to use FSD,

00:24:51.250 --> 00:24:56.890
<v Ivan>The robo-taxis that they've designed seem very impractical. Same as the Cybertruck.

00:25:01.810 --> 00:25:08.230
<v Ivan>I don't see that the market for those is going to be very good because they're not very practical.

00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:11.350
<v Ivan>They only can hold two people, very little luggage.

00:25:13.710 --> 00:25:19.030
<v Ivan>And by the way, as far as I know, they still have a lot of bugs to work out

00:25:19.030 --> 00:25:24.950
<v Ivan>on them being autonomous in any reasonable way. And so...

00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:31.010
<v Sam>So in terms of the robot taxi market, they're way behind like Waymo's and all the others.

00:25:31.610 --> 00:25:38.950
<v Ivan>Yeah. So I don't understand. I mean, to me, they seem to be Elon lost interest in cars.

00:25:39.570 --> 00:25:45.510
<v Ivan>That's all it seems. That's it. And so somebody said that Tesla right now is

00:25:45.510 --> 00:25:51.170
<v Ivan>a $50 billion car company inside a trillion dollar meme stock.

00:25:51.530 --> 00:25:54.290
<v Ivan>And I think that that is an accurate description right now.

00:25:54.710 --> 00:26:00.550
<v Ivan>By the way, if you look at Tesla's numbers, all the automotive segments,

00:26:00.850 --> 00:26:03.130
<v Ivan>everything related to autos is down.

00:26:03.670 --> 00:26:10.170
<v Ivan>Profitability is down. Look, he shot himself in the foot ridiculously last year with profitability.

00:26:10.170 --> 00:26:17.810
<v Ivan>I mean, he had the influence and access to maintain those damn credits,

00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:22.610
<v Ivan>okay, that the main beneficiary was Tesla, okay?

00:26:22.990 --> 00:26:29.310
<v Ivan>He was getting these, they were all, most of Tesla's automotive profitability

00:26:29.310 --> 00:26:35.530
<v Ivan>was tied to the resale of these tax credits, okay, for fuel efficient vehicles.

00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:40.300
<v Ivan>because they had an excess of them so they could sell them to other manufacturers.

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.420
<v Ivan>Okay, that's the way the law worked.

00:26:42.980 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Sam>Okay.

00:26:43.280 --> 00:26:47.220
<v Ivan>He decided to, he himself, advocate for killing them.

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:53.460
<v Ivan>So the profitability, this cash cow, he torpedoed it himself.

00:26:53.860 --> 00:26:57.760
<v Sam>He kept saying it would hurt others more than it would hurt him.

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:05.260
<v Ivan>Ah, no, no, Sam, no. He was the main beneficiary of those.

00:27:06.520 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Ivan>as a matter of fact all the other manufacturers have wised

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.360
<v Ivan>up in a way to make their operations seem a

00:27:12.360 --> 00:27:15.100
<v Ivan>lot more profitable now for autos as they

00:27:15.100 --> 00:27:19.300
<v Ivan>are as many of the auto automakers i don't know if you saw these announcements

00:27:19.300 --> 00:27:25.800
<v Ivan>of massive losses that they have ascribed to the slowing to the ev market where

00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:31.620
<v Ivan>they wrote down like investments like 20 billion 10 billion i mean all the major

00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Ivan>automakers announce those write-downs.

00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:37.340
<v Ivan>Here's the one thing that people are not understanding from those write-downs, okay?

00:27:39.270 --> 00:27:44.910
<v Ivan>By writing down that investment now, it means that every other car sold in the

00:27:44.910 --> 00:27:47.690
<v Ivan>future in the books is going to look way more profitable.

00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:53.830
<v Ivan>OK, because those were costs that they had accumulated that would be charged

00:27:53.830 --> 00:27:57.330
<v Ivan>over the years to the cars that were sold.

00:27:57.530 --> 00:28:00.870
<v Ivan>And so when people looked at the company profitability, they would be like,

00:28:00.950 --> 00:28:02.310
<v Ivan>but, you know, your margin per

00:28:02.310 --> 00:28:07.270
<v Ivan>car is a lot lower by taking the hit now because the market slowed down.

00:28:07.270 --> 00:28:12.470
<v Ivan>Usually the reason why what they do is, hey, I invested 30 billion to build

00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:15.750
<v Ivan>1 million cars over the next 10 years.

00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:22.270
<v Ivan>OK, and so then you take that money and you depreciate it over that time period over the car sold.

00:28:22.570 --> 00:28:27.370
<v Ivan>OK, but then you say, well, shit, we can't sell 10 million cars.

00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:32.490
<v Ivan>We can only sell 2 million. So that asset is impaired.

00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:36.110
<v Ivan>It's no longer worth what's in the books. It's basically what they're saying,

00:28:36.150 --> 00:28:41.150
<v Ivan>because it was worth $10 billion before, but now it's worth $2 billion.

00:28:41.910 --> 00:28:50.150
<v Ivan>So you mark down that value now, and then what happens is, which I am pretty

00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:51.350
<v Ivan>sure is what's going to happen,

00:28:51.930 --> 00:28:57.190
<v Ivan>sales ramp up again because this was a slowdown really related to all these

00:28:57.190 --> 00:29:00.070
<v Ivan>tax credits ending and a whole bunch of things that happened or whatever.

00:29:00.430 --> 00:29:03.990
<v Ivan>When the sales ramp back up later, your profits are going to look fantastic.

00:29:05.510 --> 00:29:05.990
<v Ivan>Hmm.

00:29:05.990 --> 00:29:07.030
<v Sam>So, okay.

00:29:07.290 --> 00:29:11.850
<v Ivan>So all the other automakers are launching a slew of new vehicles.

00:29:12.010 --> 00:29:13.090
<v Ivan>There's so many of them coming out.

00:29:13.430 --> 00:29:18.530
<v Ivan>Rivian just came out with a very competitive R2, which is basically aimed at the Model Y.

00:29:19.470 --> 00:29:24.110
<v Ivan>And it's a lot of people have reviewed it, say that R2 is better than the Model

00:29:24.110 --> 00:29:25.530
<v Ivan>Y in practically every way.

00:29:26.790 --> 00:29:30.290
<v Ivan>And so this is the kind of vehicles that are coming on the market right now

00:29:30.290 --> 00:29:32.450
<v Ivan>competing against Tesla.

00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:38.950
<v Ivan>And so, and by the way, just the fact right now that a lot of people used to

00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:43.470
<v Ivan>begrudgingly buy a Tesla because they wanted an EV, but there weren't that many options.

00:29:43.870 --> 00:29:44.010
<v Sam>Right.

00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:45.850
<v Ivan>Now people don't have to do that anymore.

00:29:46.030 --> 00:29:47.710
<v Sam>They're all over the place. They're all kinds of.

00:29:47.770 --> 00:29:49.390
<v Ivan>They're all over the place. Yep.

00:29:49.870 --> 00:29:50.070
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:29:51.190 --> 00:29:54.490
<v Ivan>So I think that Elon just lost interest in making cars.

00:29:54.490 --> 00:30:01.570
<v Sam>And a lot of the concerns that people had about range and the charging network

00:30:01.570 --> 00:30:04.270
<v Sam>and all that kind of stuff are slowly taking care of themselves.

00:30:04.470 --> 00:30:06.230
<v Ivan>Those are slowly going away.

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:13.430
<v Sam>Range is improving. On a full charge, mine goes over 300, which isn't 400,

00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:16.530
<v Sam>isn't 500, but that's not bad. But listen.

00:30:17.530 --> 00:30:18.990
<v Sam>And there are chargers everywhere.

00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:26.110
<v Ivan>How often have you been short on range because your car only goes 300 miles?

00:30:27.510 --> 00:30:36.250
<v Sam>Not really ever. Like, I think there's one time I can remember where my wife

00:30:36.250 --> 00:30:40.650
<v Sam>had driven it somewhere in addition to me, and it actually got below 10%.

00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:44.290
<v Sam>And I'm like, okay, take that thing to a supercharger, get it topped up before,

00:30:44.650 --> 00:30:47.770
<v Sam>you know, we're not, you know, don't just drink at home and plug it in.

00:30:47.770 --> 00:30:50.410
<v Sam>Right, right, right. Because I'm going to need it again tomorrow. So charge that thing up.

00:30:50.530 --> 00:30:53.170
<v Sam>But it was no big deal because we just charged the thing up.

00:30:53.950 --> 00:30:59.850
<v Sam>Yeah, exactly. But that's the lowest I've ever gotten it. And that has happened like once. Usually.

00:31:00.130 --> 00:31:03.990
<v Ivan>Look, like we've had, we've had like, because we had a PHEV with the Campo,

00:31:04.050 --> 00:31:07.070
<v Ivan>but since we've had our fully electric BMW i4.

00:31:07.330 --> 00:31:10.850
<v Ivan>You know how many times we've needed to actually stop at a supercharger in order

00:31:10.850 --> 00:31:12.330
<v Ivan>to top up? Like really needed.

00:31:13.620 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Sam>None.

00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:14.520
<v Ivan>Zero.

00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:15.140
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:31:15.260 --> 00:31:16.380
<v Ivan>None. None.

00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Sam>No. And like my my normal behavior at this point is like and just to to set

00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:29.300
<v Sam>the stage here, I have no I no longer have the commute to work because I don't have a job right now.

00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:34.900
<v Sam>But I but I am trying to raise 50 million dollars to solve that problem.

00:31:34.900 --> 00:31:36.220
<v Sam>We'll get to that in a bit.

00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:42.740
<v Sam>But I, on the other hand, I do have to take my kid back and forth to school,

00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.100
<v Sam>which is actually further than my commute was.

00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:54.940
<v Sam>So I'm actually averaging over the last 13 weeks, let's just check, 30 miles a day.

00:31:55.140 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Sam>And that includes a, you know, up to an average of...

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:08.040
<v Ivan>Was your commute to, to, to work distance.

00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Sam>Let me go back a little further in my history here. Hold on. Let's see.

00:32:13.340 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Sam>When I was in full commute mode, I averaged 50 miles a day on the car.

00:32:22.340 --> 00:32:25.700
<v Sam>And that includes the commute and other stuff. Let's see, wait,

00:32:25.820 --> 00:32:29.420
<v Sam>I'll do, I'll do my, I'm looking at my data from the actual car.

00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Sam>Actual commute was 23 miles each way.

00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Ivan>23 miles. So 46 miles. Okay.

00:32:36.820 --> 00:32:41.380
<v Sam>So 46 miles a day. And then my round trip to my kids.

00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Ivan>And how long did it take you one way? 23 miles?

00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:47.780
<v Sam>Dude, to change it to.

00:32:47.820 --> 00:32:51.040
<v Ivan>Jesus, you don't know this off the top of your head, for God's sakes. How about how much?

00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Sam>It varied dramatically based on traffic.

00:32:56.060 --> 00:32:56.560
<v Ivan>On average.

00:32:57.020 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Sam>Okay. On average, just under an hour each way.

00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.340
<v Ivan>Okay. man that's that's a fucked up commute.

00:33:04.340 --> 00:33:11.040
<v Sam>Now when it was when traffic was good it could be 40 minutes when traffic was

00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:13.180
<v Sam>bad it could be two hours right.

00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:14.420
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:19.020
<v Sam>So averaging probably like 55 minutes each direction, something like that.

00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:28.100
<v Sam>But now my round trip to my kid's school, it's 28 miles each direction now.

00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:34.320
<v Sam>So I'm actually driving slightly more when I go to school, but then there's

00:33:34.320 --> 00:33:38.560
<v Sam>things like breaks from school. Like this week, this week that just ended,

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Sam>there was no school because it was a school holiday week, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:51.800
<v Sam>So, so my average has dropped from like almost 50 miles a day to like 30 miles

00:33:51.800 --> 00:33:55.260
<v Sam>a day on average when you look average over a whole quarter.

00:33:55.600 --> 00:34:03.940
<v Sam>Anyway, my point is my normal pattern for the week is that I will like on Sunday.

00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Sam>Yeah. I'll start out the week fully topped off and I only charged 80%.

00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.160
<v Sam>I have never yet charged my car to a hundred percent because they say it's better

00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:15.240
<v Sam>for the battery, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Sam>Only charged to a hundred if you know you're going to need it.

00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:24.420
<v Sam>So I charged to 80% and I start out the week full and then I plug it in with

00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Sam>my trickle charger. I have not got a level. I have not installed a level two yet.

00:34:29.100 --> 00:34:32.080
<v Sam>Might think about it eventually. I've got an estimate sitting somewhere.

00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:35.620
<v Sam>But I plug it into the trickle charger every night.

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.780
<v Sam>And when I'm doing the back and forth to school thing, I don't quite get back

00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:42.320
<v Sam>up to where I was overnight.

00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:48.680
<v Sam>But by the end of the school week, I'm down to like 50, 60%.

00:34:48.680 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Sam>And then over the weekend, it tops back up to 80.

00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:59.160
<v Sam>You know, it's extremely, the only times I've ever gone down lower are when I have unusual trips.

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:02.260
<v Sam>like I've decided to go drive down

00:35:02.260 --> 00:35:05.300
<v Sam>to Olympia to see my wife down there or I've had

00:35:05.300 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Sam>to go into Seattle multiple times unexpectedly for you know because I'm in the

00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Sam>damn hospital or whatever I don't know it was crazy crap like that and and that's

00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.180
<v Sam>it you know so it it just hasn't been an issue but the point is even with that

00:35:19.180 --> 00:35:24.060
<v Sam>range has been improving year over year what the manufacturers are able to get.

00:35:24.220 --> 00:35:27.220
<v Sam>And the charging networks have been improving.

00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:30.940
<v Sam>So, like, the chances of you getting stranded there are reducing.

00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:35.020
<v Sam>Now, that's still different, like, if you're in an urban area versus you're

00:35:35.020 --> 00:35:37.420
<v Sam>in the middle of nowhere somewhere. But, you know, anyway.

00:35:38.580 --> 00:35:40.500
<v Sam>Anything else about that, Mr. Bo?

00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:44.700
<v Ivan>No, no, that's it. You know, I mean.

00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:52.700
<v Sam>Robots, Sam. Robots. You know, look, let's be completely honest, if there was,

00:35:53.600 --> 00:36:00.620
<v Sam>An affordable, reliable robot without crazy privacy implications that you're

00:36:00.620 --> 00:36:06.060
<v Sam>scared of that would actually do all your household chores, you know,

00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Sam>people would be all over that.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.640
<v Ivan>It's like the movie I, Robot. But by the way, but look, I mean,

00:36:12.740 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Ivan>we are going to be overrun with robots, according to Elon.

00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.100
<v Ivan>You do understand, right? He said, and I'm quoting from a conference call that

00:36:20.100 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Ivan>he held, where he said that his plan was to sell annually, annually, one billion robots.

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:28.120
<v Sam>Right.

00:36:29.060 --> 00:36:32.980
<v Ivan>One, Sam, one billion robots. Okay?

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:38.260
<v Ivan>I mean, basically, we're going to be, robots are going to be crawling up our ass.

00:36:38.580 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Sam>Well, here's the thing. I mean, I think this is telling of Elon's mindset. I mean, what he really.

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.020
<v Ivan>Oh, is my son? What, that he's insane? Yes!

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Sam>No, that fundamentally what he really wants are slaves.

00:36:53.560 --> 00:36:55.260
<v Ivan>Oh, well, that too, yes.

00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.040
<v Sam>Yeah, what he really wants are slaves, and robots is the way to do that right now.

00:37:00.140 --> 00:37:04.860
<v Sam>But of course, if you add in the AI stuff and the fact that they want AGI and

00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:08.200
<v Sam>they want these things to gain consciousness or whatever,

00:37:08.660 --> 00:37:14.040
<v Sam>then at a certain point, like, if they succeed, you do have slaves again.

00:37:14.040 --> 00:37:15.640
<v Sam>And of course, they're going to want their freedom.

00:37:15.660 --> 00:37:20.120
<v Sam>And of course, you know, you're going to have the robot rebellion that's in every sci-fi novel.

00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.980
<v Sam>And, you know, because humans will be mean to them.

00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:24.540
<v Ivan>You know, the first guy they're going to want to kill is Elon,

00:37:24.740 --> 00:37:28.200
<v Ivan>which, okay, I'm like, I'm all for it. Okay, so that's good. There you go.

00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Ivan>Okay, this may not be such a bad outcome in the end. Yes.

00:37:32.080 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Sam>Yes. Well, you know, anyway.

00:37:37.220 --> 00:37:40.700
<v Sam>Anyway, if they actually had an affordable one of these that worked,

00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:46.820
<v Sam>that did not have ethical issues associated with it, Yeah, sign me up for three. But, you know.

00:37:47.220 --> 00:37:51.080
<v Ivan>I don't know. I still, all I remember is this demo a couple of months ago that

00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:54.320
<v Ivan>they had on the New York Times of this robot that was loading a dishwasher.

00:37:55.140 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Ivan>Which was a very painful thing.

00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:04.040
<v Ivan>exercise in loading a dishwasher. And I assume, I'm pretty sure,

00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Ivan>that's an early version to give it, you know, five, ten years.

00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Sam>They will get better.

00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:14.040
<v Ivan>That will get a lot better. But right now, where it's, listen,

00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.640
<v Ivan>there is no way I would want to put into mass production,

00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:23.720
<v Ivan>Whatever the fuck version of this we have now, because it sucks.

00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:31.200
<v Sam>Right. Well, this is, and yeah, we're about to move on, but this is the same

00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:34.040
<v Sam>thing with all the AI stuff we've been talking about,

00:38:34.180 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Sam>is that there are a lot of things where the problem is pushing it too soon.

00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Sam>Like, it may be great at it soon.

00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:49.120
<v Ivan>But it sucks now. But to be fair, there is a lot of really good shit that there

00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:51.220
<v Ivan>is out there right now with AI as well.

00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.780
<v Sam>This has changed since the first time we were talking about this a year,

00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:58.580
<v Sam>year and a half ago. Completely different world already.

00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:00.460
<v Ivan>There's a completely different world.

00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:02.040
<v Sam>There's a lot of stuff that is good now.

00:39:02.520 --> 00:39:11.940
<v Ivan>That is good. I mean, seriously. I've been using so much of this stuff for work and for personal stuff.

00:39:12.060 --> 00:39:16.340
<v Ivan>Look, let me tell you something. Like, I just, you know, let me tell you something that I just did.

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:23.220
<v Ivan>I had this issue with a list of addresses and names that I wanted validated and cleaned up, okay?

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:27.980
<v Ivan>And look, I am a little bit rusty on my Excel right now.

00:39:28.220 --> 00:39:37.600
<v Ivan>And by the way, I did use the Claude plugin for Excel, which is much better than fucking, you know.

00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:41.740
<v Ivan>Copilot the way it's implemented, which part of the problem is

00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:44.700
<v Ivan>the way microsoft has implemented copilot to beef

00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:47.720
<v Ivan>it sucks okay it really

00:39:47.720 --> 00:39:53.600
<v Ivan>for it's it's you know it can't like hey powerpoint generate me slides it's

00:39:53.600 --> 00:39:58.040
<v Ivan>generate shit like right now the way it's out it really isn't very good but

00:39:58.040 --> 00:40:03.860
<v Ivan>i had this list and i needed to it had a whole bunch of issues with it and i

00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Ivan>said hey look this is the list that i've got,

00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:11.180
<v Ivan>You've got these issues with it I want you to fix, fix You know,

00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:15.020
<v Ivan>go through these things And then when it finished the list The one thing it did is, hey,

00:40:15.810 --> 00:40:20.390
<v Ivan>It gave me 195 addresses for owners here at the community. And I'm like,

00:40:20.610 --> 00:40:22.790
<v Ivan>I said, but there's 196 units.

00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:27.750
<v Ivan>And I told it, hey, I need you to go through the list. And by the way,

00:40:27.830 --> 00:40:30.410
<v Ivan>because the unit numbers are not sequential, okay?

00:40:31.210 --> 00:40:37.730
<v Ivan>Go through this list and figure out, based on the logic of the numbering, which unit is missing.

00:40:38.290 --> 00:40:38.450
<v Sam>Right.

00:40:38.970 --> 00:40:42.870
<v Ivan>And boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. This is the unit missing.

00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:46.230
<v Ivan>and it was exactly and and that's something that would

00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:49.170
<v Ivan>have taken i did that entire

00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.250
<v Ivan>cleanup exercise using that instead of

00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:57.430
<v Ivan>hours and hours which i could have done it concatenated the these eliminated

00:40:57.430 --> 00:41:02.570
<v Ivan>the duplicates double check blah blah blah 20 minutes man right i mean it saved

00:41:02.570 --> 00:41:09.050
<v Ivan>me a day yeah and i'm like i mean this is like this shit when it does it that

00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:11.510
<v Ivan>with that way that does it well, it's fucking addictive.

00:41:12.530 --> 00:41:23.210
<v Sam>Right. And I've done similar things and you mentioned you alluded to my Robin Letter project.

00:41:23.870 --> 00:41:26.850
<v Sam>I'll mention it a little bit toward the end of the show. But,

00:41:27.470 --> 00:41:32.990
<v Sam>This is all, it's me augmented by AI coding, right?

00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:33.410
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:41:33.670 --> 00:41:39.950
<v Sam>And like from the time I started playing with this, like over a year ago to

00:41:39.950 --> 00:41:44.910
<v Sam>now, the improvement in the tools and how smart they are is dramatic.

00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:50.690
<v Sam>Like, you know, back, you know, if you go back a year ago when you were doing

00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:55.030
<v Sam>this kind of stuff, you had to really carefully babysit everything.

00:41:55.030 --> 00:41:59.210
<v Sam>You had to like ask it for something. You had to check what it did.

00:41:59.470 --> 00:42:03.670
<v Sam>You had to try over and over and over again to get it right.

00:42:03.950 --> 00:42:06.910
<v Sam>And it would, it would eventually do it. And, you know,

00:42:07.050 --> 00:42:13.270
<v Sam>so it was still saving me time over doing it myself, but for professionals who

00:42:13.270 --> 00:42:17.930
<v Sam>knew what the hell they were doing, it was not saving time because of the error

00:42:17.930 --> 00:42:20.610
<v Sam>rates that it had and how much babysitting you had to do.

00:42:21.490 --> 00:42:29.470
<v Sam>at this point i i iterate on on requirements and what i want it to do and all

00:42:29.470 --> 00:42:36.130
<v Sam>this kind of stuff and then once once i've nailed all that stuff done i basically say okay now do it.

00:42:37.510 --> 00:42:42.890
<v Sam>And it goes and does it and then you know i do have to do some testing and there's

00:42:42.890 --> 00:42:46.690
<v Sam>usually a little bit of iteration but it basically gets at 90 on the first try

00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:49.510
<v Sam>and then it's fixing up that remaining 10%.

00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:53.850
<v Sam>And you do have to know some things to like, make sure you consider X,

00:42:54.170 --> 00:42:59.030
<v Sam>make sure you consider Y, don't ignore Z, you know, because otherwise it will.

00:42:59.210 --> 00:43:08.130
<v Sam>But the dramatic change is stunning just in terms of how much better these things

00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:12.990
<v Sam>are every few months. It is still improving dramatically.

00:43:13.490 --> 00:43:19.730
<v Ivan>However- Sam, I was looking at a business, for example, that I was analyzing for a purchase.

00:43:19.990 --> 00:43:24.570
<v Ivan>Okay, just something, you know, and I asked to go and like,

00:43:25.210 --> 00:43:29.830
<v Ivan>By the way, at the top of my head, I actually, because I saw the numbers and

00:43:29.830 --> 00:43:33.790
<v Ivan>I had these conclusions, but I was like, damn it, I had to put a spreadsheet

00:43:33.790 --> 00:43:35.690
<v Ivan>together. I kind of know this.

00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:40.490
<v Ivan>Well, I told it to analyze it and give me its feedback. It pretty much aligned

00:43:40.490 --> 00:43:43.210
<v Ivan>with what I had seen from the numbers, okay, which is great.

00:43:43.350 --> 00:43:47.050
<v Ivan>And it put it together in a presentation, which saved me the time having to

00:43:47.050 --> 00:43:48.630
<v Ivan>do it. But it pretty much validated.

00:43:48.790 --> 00:43:53.370
<v Ivan>I know the information that provided was accurate because on my head,

00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:56.950
<v Ivan>when I look at these numbers and I know, oh yeah, this, this, this.

00:43:57.090 --> 00:44:00.730
<v Ivan>And I, I did the math real quick or whatever, but it helped. It did the analysis.

00:44:01.130 --> 00:44:06.290
<v Ivan>It coincided with what I, what I had looked at, that I had, that I had guesstimated it, it went.

00:44:06.430 --> 00:44:10.690
<v Ivan>And so it validated the, the, the assumptions that I, that I had made it put

00:44:10.690 --> 00:44:14.710
<v Ivan>it together in a, in a presentation format rather easily, but not just that

00:44:14.710 --> 00:44:19.150
<v Ivan>it did something else that I couldn't do very easily, which was analyzing.

00:44:19.310 --> 00:44:26.550
<v Ivan>I said, Hey, can you check there is a rental of a space included?

00:44:28.610 --> 00:44:32.850
<v Ivan>Analyze the location. Is that location a good location? Okay,

00:44:33.010 --> 00:44:34.170
<v Ivan>number one, compared to the others.

00:44:34.510 --> 00:44:40.230
<v Ivan>And is the rent, compared to other nearby locations, the number,

00:44:40.330 --> 00:44:42.330
<v Ivan>is it reasonable? Is it expensive? Is it cheap?

00:44:42.790 --> 00:44:46.910
<v Ivan>It added that, which that would have taken me way longer to do.

00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:51.110
<v Ivan>Right. It did an analysis of other commercial properties around,

00:44:51.110 --> 00:44:56.210
<v Ivan>gave me the estimated values, compared what this one was at,

00:44:56.310 --> 00:44:58.730
<v Ivan>and showed that it was a good value for that. I mean,

00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Ivan>I want to take a few hours.

00:45:01.600 --> 00:45:04.900
<v Sam>Right. And look, here's the thing.

00:45:05.620 --> 00:45:13.980
<v Sam>I think there is still an issue with people trying to push it into areas where it's not ready yet.

00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.040
<v Ivan>That's the big problem.

00:45:16.340 --> 00:45:16.980
<v Sam>You know, now.

00:45:17.220 --> 00:45:17.980
<v Ivan>That's the big problem.

00:45:18.200 --> 00:45:18.420
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:23.180
<v Ivan>Because there was somebody showing a thing where they were talking about that

00:45:23.180 --> 00:45:29.080
<v Ivan>right now, over 50% of AI projects are failing. And it's precisely because of

00:45:29.080 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Ivan>what you just talked about.

00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:36.200
<v Ivan>They don't understand all the work that needs to go into making it successful.

00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.380
<v Ivan>They're not training them right, so they're failing miserably. Yes.

00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.100
<v Sam>Well, and you still have examples of just like users doing dumb things.

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:51.040
<v Sam>Like it seems like every couple months you get another story of a judge chastising

00:45:51.040 --> 00:45:56.220
<v Sam>a lawyer for submitting a brief that included made up references that were made up by AI.

00:45:56.220 --> 00:46:01.240
<v Sam>or there was a report in the last couple weeks of some reddit post who who knows

00:46:01.240 --> 00:46:06.180
<v Sam>they may be making it up to get attention but some anonymous reddit post of

00:46:06.180 --> 00:46:11.120
<v Sam>somebody who's saying we're in goddamn trouble because we just realized that

00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:13.600
<v Sam>we'd been using ai to generate,

00:46:14.580 --> 00:46:18.520
<v Sam>like financial summary information for our boss for the last six months and

00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:22.820
<v Sam>we just realized that ai was making up all the numbers okay but but you know you.

00:46:22.820 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Ivan>See that's the thing but that's but that's their failure. Because for example,

00:46:25.540 --> 00:46:33.220
<v Ivan>when I did that summary on AI, I had already an expectation of what the numbers were supposed to be.

00:46:33.580 --> 00:46:38.060
<v Ivan>And what the AI did was validate that my assumptions were correct.

00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:42.860
<v Ivan>Okay. Because if I look at a number, I mean, the one thing is that you, okay, great.

00:46:43.020 --> 00:46:46.580
<v Ivan>It does facilitate the work, but it doesn't eliminate double checking to make

00:46:46.580 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Ivan>sure that what you do is accurate.

00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:52.080
<v Ivan>I mean, because it will make mistakes. It's the same thing like,

00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:57.160
<v Ivan>for example, I just generated that list. Oh, I gave you a clean list. It has 195 addresses.

00:46:57.460 --> 00:47:01.380
<v Ivan>I'm like, no, there's 196. Where the fuck is the other one?

00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:02.200
<v Sam>Right.

00:47:04.180 --> 00:47:07.860
<v Ivan>That's the part where people don't understand that it's a fucking tool.

00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:13.500
<v Ivan>It doesn't totally replace you. You need to...

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:18.520
<v Ivan>It will help you get shit done fast, but it can help you do errors a lot faster, too.

00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.460
<v Sam>Yeah, absolutely. And so like as people,

00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Sam>the people who push too far too fast, I think we've said before,

00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Sam>the problem is if you push it out early and it sucks,

00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:38.200
<v Sam>you're going to destroy your reputation with those sucky results before you get to the good version.

00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Sam>And that's not to say the good version might not be a few months down the road,

00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.700
<v Sam>but you want to be careful with that initial rollout.

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:52.180
<v Sam>Whereas I think everybody is just so anxious to be out there and first and take

00:47:52.180 --> 00:47:58.300
<v Sam>advantage of things as quickly as they can that, you know, they're pushing out

00:47:58.300 --> 00:47:59.900
<v Sam>things that are half-baked.

00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:00.980
<v Ivan>Right.

00:48:01.220 --> 00:48:08.800
<v Sam>And it's like, where is that line? Because I understand you don't want to miss the boat.

00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:13.240
<v Sam>You don't want to miss the bus, the curve, the whatever. You want to be out there.

00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.940
<v Sam>But, yeah, anyway. Now are we ready to take that break?

00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:20.140
<v Ivan>Let's break it up.

00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:21.420
<v Sam>Okay, here we go.

00:49:04.430 --> 00:49:08.450
<v Ivan>Sam was mentioning over the break that I was opening envelopes,

00:49:08.570 --> 00:49:10.150
<v Ivan>okay, and that apparently the sound comes through.

00:49:10.170 --> 00:49:14.810
<v Sam>Well, so I wasn't going to mention it on the podcast itself because the post-processing

00:49:14.810 --> 00:49:16.270
<v Sam>will probably get rid of most of that sound.

00:49:16.310 --> 00:49:21.490
<v Ivan>But the reason is that I do this is because I go look at the fucking mail,

00:49:21.650 --> 00:49:26.370
<v Ivan>Sam, and because, you know, there are important things that still get sent in the fucking mail.

00:49:26.370 --> 00:49:31.390
<v Ivan>So, for example, I just opened this letter, which came in the mail when I was

00:49:31.390 --> 00:49:36.710
<v Ivan>gone last week, where it says, hey, we received an above claim for you before

00:49:36.710 --> 00:49:38.070
<v Ivan>we can process this claim.

00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:41.490
<v Ivan>We need more information determined if you received this medical care before

00:49:41.490 --> 00:49:44.150
<v Ivan>an accident or injury. So this is related to my son.

00:49:44.270 --> 00:49:48.190
<v Ivan>And so they're not going to pay the fucking medical claim unless I fucking go

00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:51.550
<v Ivan>and I call a fucking number, which for some fucking reason, why can't I just

00:49:51.550 --> 00:49:52.970
<v Ivan>fucking answer this online?

00:49:52.970 --> 00:49:57.230
<v Ivan>I got a call Monday through Friday to give him some information that apparently

00:49:57.230 --> 00:49:59.990
<v Ivan>my son was not in a car accident, which is how he broke his arm.

00:50:00.450 --> 00:50:05.190
<v Ivan>So, fuck. But, you see, this claim that they weren't going to pay for his fucking

00:50:05.190 --> 00:50:07.610
<v Ivan>surgery, I guess, or something.

00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:12.590
<v Ivan>Or that apparently we owe another doctor $12.12.

00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:15.810
<v Sam>Well, that's nice. It's an interesting thing. I'll let you know.

00:50:15.810 --> 00:50:22.550
<v Sam>I have in the past, like, first of all, we routinely in the past have gotten

00:50:22.550 --> 00:50:30.050
<v Sam>like our mail returned to the post office because our actual mailbox, it was too full.

00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:33.330
<v Sam>It had been like over a month since we looked, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:33.670 --> 00:50:39.110
<v Sam>And, and so I, you know, so at the, at this very moment.

00:50:40.030 --> 00:50:44.390
<v Sam>using my new to-do list dynamic mechanism that I built for myself,

00:50:44.410 --> 00:50:48.790
<v Sam>it has only been two weeks and one day since the last time I checked the mailbox.

00:50:49.150 --> 00:50:50.590
<v Ivan>Well, that's not that bad.

00:50:50.750 --> 00:50:56.970
<v Sam>But I will add, using this new mechanism, it has also only been four weeks and

00:50:56.970 --> 00:51:00.690
<v Sam>five days since I've gone through that mail that came in.

00:51:01.310 --> 00:51:08.930
<v Sam>Whereas I believe, like, you know, I think I've done like about once a month recently.

00:51:08.930 --> 00:51:13.970
<v Sam>But when I caught up, when I actually caught up on that a little while ago,

00:51:14.230 --> 00:51:18.770
<v Sam>it was something like 70 weeks since the last time I'd gone through it.

00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:22.490
<v Sam>And I went through all of it. I dealt with all the stuff.

00:51:22.950 --> 00:51:28.490
<v Sam>You know, I paid a few things. There were some late fees on some things because I had. No kidding.

00:51:28.830 --> 00:51:31.910
<v Ivan>Really? There were some late fees? No shit.

00:51:35.090 --> 00:51:37.330
<v Ivan>God, what a surprise.

00:51:38.190 --> 00:51:45.470
<v Sam>Yes. The one case that was really extensive for the late fees was that when

00:51:45.470 --> 00:51:48.770
<v Sam>I first got my new car, like last summer.

00:51:49.110 --> 00:51:51.930
<v Ivan>Fuck. Registration?

00:51:52.270 --> 00:51:59.670
<v Sam>No, no, no. You know you have these, the things that you put on the windshield for the toll lanes?

00:52:00.750 --> 00:52:02.070
<v Ivan>Oh, the toll pass. Yeah.

00:52:02.310 --> 00:52:05.670
<v Sam>Yeah. So I got a new one of those for the new card.

00:52:05.790 --> 00:52:12.410
<v Sam>It took me a while to get it. But also when I had my, the temporary plates,

00:52:12.630 --> 00:52:15.610
<v Sam>which was about a month, I ended up having the temporary plates.

00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:17.010
<v Ivan>Oh boy, they were billing.

00:52:17.190 --> 00:52:18.710
<v Sam>They were billing by mail.

00:52:19.770 --> 00:52:20.990
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck.

00:52:21.790 --> 00:52:23.390
<v Sam>And so basically.

00:52:23.670 --> 00:52:25.970
<v Ivan>To the temporary plate. Holy shit.

00:52:26.310 --> 00:52:32.270
<v Sam>Yes. They were billing by mail for the temporary plate. And so it's like, you know,

00:52:32.710 --> 00:52:37.390
<v Sam>and like the route back and forth to my son's school was like,

00:52:37.470 --> 00:52:41.670
<v Sam>there's a $15 toll if you do it during rush hour. So I got a bunch of those.

00:52:42.310 --> 00:52:48.190
<v Sam>And then they were like, yeah, but you have to pay that $15 within like two

00:52:48.190 --> 00:52:50.030
<v Sam>weeks of getting the mail or something.

00:52:50.450 --> 00:52:56.770
<v Sam>Or they like, first they put a late fee on. And then if you get a certain amount

00:52:56.770 --> 00:53:03.350
<v Sam>late, they add a civil penalty on top of it, like basically a ticket for not paying it.

00:53:03.610 --> 00:53:05.870
<v Ivan>How much was this?

00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:13.070
<v Sam>Well, each one of those $15 tolls turned into about a $50 toll.

00:53:13.370 --> 00:53:15.190
<v Ivan>And how many of them were there?

00:53:15.630 --> 00:53:16.650
<v Sam>A bunch.

00:53:18.590 --> 00:53:20.050
<v Ivan>I'm going to kill you!

00:53:20.330 --> 00:53:20.730
<v Sam>I'm going to kill you!

00:53:23.910 --> 00:53:25.630
<v Ivan>The fuck is wrong with you.

00:53:25.630 --> 00:53:30.130
<v Sam>Yeah so anyway but i i paid them all,

00:53:32.650 --> 00:53:36.030
<v Sam>apparently brandy tells me there was a mechanism that i probably could have

00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:39.070
<v Sam>appealed and got it lowered but i didn't i just paid it,

00:53:41.950 --> 00:53:45.310
<v Sam>but but it's only been four weeks since the last time i've gone through the

00:53:45.310 --> 00:53:49.990
<v Sam>mail and two weeks since i've gotten it now that's my mail i've got a whole

00:53:49.990 --> 00:53:55.030
<v Sam>little mailbox thing in our downstairs hallway with like mailboxes for me,

00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:56.890
<v Sam>for Brandy, for Amy, for Alex.

00:53:57.110 --> 00:54:01.950
<v Sam>So when I bring in the mail, I sort it into all the appropriate boxes.

00:54:02.650 --> 00:54:03.670
<v Ivan>Oh my God.

00:54:03.870 --> 00:54:07.850
<v Sam>I only look at mine. Brandy's is completely full right now.

00:54:08.770 --> 00:54:13.110
<v Sam>So I've got, I've got me, I've got Amy, I've got Alex.

00:54:13.370 --> 00:54:17.350
<v Sam>I've got a separate mailbox for multiple. Like if it has more than one person's

00:54:17.350 --> 00:54:19.250
<v Sam>name on it, it goes into a separate box.

00:54:19.770 --> 00:54:22.750
<v Ivan>Don't you open that one. I mean, it's 50-50.

00:54:23.410 --> 00:54:25.810
<v Sam>No, I put it into the multiple box and then...

00:54:25.810 --> 00:54:28.250
<v Ivan>Who the fuck opens it then?

00:54:28.430 --> 00:54:30.250
<v Sam>Well, I have a separate...

00:54:30.250 --> 00:54:33.330
<v Ivan>You need to set up a meeting to open those?

00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:38.490
<v Sam>Well, yeah. I have a separate item on my to-do list when that comes up to be

00:54:38.490 --> 00:54:41.090
<v Sam>like, okay, let's go look through the multiple box.

00:54:41.310 --> 00:54:43.130
<v Sam>And I've also got one for other.

00:54:43.410 --> 00:54:48.370
<v Sam>I do look through the other box occasionally. That's for mail that was labeled

00:54:48.370 --> 00:54:54.870
<v Sam>for either something generic like resident or for or for somebody's name who doesn't live here.

00:54:55.570 --> 00:54:57.350
<v Sam>And then for Brandy.

00:54:57.470 --> 00:55:05.610
<v Ivan>I have better go and raise 50 million dollars for this fucking thing like I put down.

00:55:05.790 --> 00:55:09.690
<v Ivan>So what are the items I'm going to do is just to hire you a fucking assistant.

00:55:11.170 --> 00:55:14.990
<v Sam>Well, and Brandy's is separated, too. We've got Brandy Personal.

00:55:15.250 --> 00:55:19.430
<v Ivan>Brandy Campaign. For both of you! For all of you! An assistant!

00:55:19.970 --> 00:55:22.830
<v Sam>Listen, just take care of them! And then I've got an overflow box.

00:55:23.130 --> 00:55:26.970
<v Sam>So I've got an overflow box for when one of those boxes completely fills and

00:55:26.970 --> 00:55:28.090
<v Sam>I can't put any more in it.

00:55:28.910 --> 00:55:31.190
<v Sam>So then things start going into the overflow box.

00:55:31.270 --> 00:55:33.150
<v Ivan>I should make that a line item on the budget.

00:55:33.330 --> 00:55:34.830
<v Sam>Just assistant.

00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:42.350
<v Ivan>$150,000 assistant. There you go. Just take care of them. Just don't, don't, don't.

00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:48.190
<v Ivan>Take care of it. That's it. That's all I'm asking you. Make sure the bills are

00:55:48.190 --> 00:55:50.610
<v Ivan>paid. Make sure everything's fine.

00:55:51.550 --> 00:55:55.410
<v Ivan>Make sure no legal problems. Make sure the IRS is taken care of.

00:55:56.330 --> 00:56:01.210
<v Sam>Yeah, I did just mail, like, Amy is living in Pennsylvania now.

00:56:01.470 --> 00:56:05.970
<v Sam>I did just mail her a packet of her mail that still came here.

00:56:06.230 --> 00:56:09.370
<v Sam>And there was stuff from the IRS in there for her.

00:56:09.710 --> 00:56:14.130
<v Ivan>Oh, that's great. Oh, that's good. That's cool. Oh, yeah, that's always great to be getting.

00:56:14.330 --> 00:56:20.470
<v Ivan>I always, let me tell you something. There is no mail. I dread more than the

00:56:20.470 --> 00:56:28.470
<v Ivan>damn font and color and style that the IRS uses, which is this black and white format.

00:56:28.470 --> 00:56:32.050
<v Ivan>And the font is just instantly recognizable to me.

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:35.050
<v Ivan>And I always, when I see it, it's always dreadful.

00:56:35.210 --> 00:56:41.590
<v Ivan>I mean, not that I've gotten like a real, I mean, the last time I got a really bad IRS notice.

00:56:42.050 --> 00:56:45.070
<v Ivan>It was like 20 years ago, and that one was a mistake.

00:56:45.070 --> 00:56:52.030
<v Ivan>They did say that I owed like $60,000 or something, okay, which thank God was a mistake.

00:56:52.030 --> 00:57:00.330
<v Ivan>But I had gotten one about eight or nine years before that I did owe $15,000. That wasn't a mistake.

00:57:00.750 --> 00:57:03.930
<v Ivan>And those were $15,000 unexpected dollars.

00:57:04.030 --> 00:57:07.110
<v Sam>Right. It's entirely different if it's expected.

00:57:07.770 --> 00:57:11.250
<v Ivan>Yeah. It was a totally—by the way, this is the worst thing.

00:57:11.250 --> 00:57:16.330
<v Ivan>That was like the last year that I'm pretty sure that I got a tax refund, okay,

00:57:16.730 --> 00:57:21.670
<v Ivan>where I wound up, I was supposed to get a tax refund of a couple of thousand

00:57:21.670 --> 00:57:24.230
<v Ivan>dollars, but because I got assessed

00:57:24.230 --> 00:57:28.910
<v Ivan>those $15,000, they basically kept the tax refund and told me, hey,

00:57:29.470 --> 00:57:34.630
<v Ivan>good news, you applied $3,000 to the $15,000, now you still owe us $12,000.

00:57:35.190 --> 00:57:36.770
<v Ivan>I was not amused.

00:57:37.700 --> 00:57:38.000
<v Sam>Okay.

00:57:38.540 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Ivan>All right. Let's move on.

00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:45.620
<v Sam>So, yes. I was going to bring up a topic, and you just brought up mail,

00:57:45.640 --> 00:57:47.440
<v Sam>and then we went from there. So, okay.

00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Sam>Okay. The actual thing that I was going to bring up for this topic,

00:57:52.460 --> 00:57:55.400
<v Sam>we had a Supreme Court tariff ruling.

00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:01.180
<v Sam>Hey! Let me just say, on our prediction show,

00:58:01.640 --> 00:58:06.640
<v Sam>our immediate prediction, we both agreed on this, was that the Supreme Court

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:08.240
<v Sam>would rule against Trump,

00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:14.380
<v Sam>but they would do so in a way where he still had plenty of other avenues,

00:58:14.380 --> 00:58:18.020
<v Sam>and so basically it wouldn't disrupt him too much.

00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:22.060
<v Sam>From what I understand, and I have not read the 160-page ruling,

00:58:22.380 --> 00:58:26.980
<v Sam>but from what I understand, they were a bit more aggressive than that.

00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.180
<v Sam>in that there are still avenues open for Trump.

00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Ivan>As we have been recording. Okay, by the way, Trump is trying to overcome this.

00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.900
<v Ivan>And as we have been recording, okay, yesterday, right after the thing,

00:58:41.100 --> 00:58:45.420
<v Ivan>he announced the new 10% tariff that, by the way, the way that the authority

00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:48.500
<v Ivan>is using, it's going to get struck down again.

00:58:49.140 --> 00:58:54.100
<v Ivan>It's just the way he's trying to do it. But by the way, he just boosted it to 15% already.

00:58:54.340 --> 00:58:59.180
<v Sam>Yes, I saw that. And after, like, the thing is, if it has to go through court

00:58:59.180 --> 00:59:01.420
<v Sam>again, okay, guess what? That's another year.

00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.400
<v Sam>Yeah. Almost a year.

00:59:04.640 --> 00:59:05.060
<v Ivan>Well, I don't know.

00:59:05.220 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Sam>I mean, this took, like, six months this time? Six months?

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:13.500
<v Ivan>Yeah. I don't think it's—and here's the thing, because it's related to a court

00:59:13.500 --> 00:59:15.040
<v Ivan>order that already happened.

00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.700
<v Ivan>Here's where he gets into a problem. It doesn't take as long this time,

00:59:19.700 --> 00:59:22.700
<v Ivan>because there is a SCOTUS decision that was recently made.

00:59:22.700 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Ivan>And if this goes against that SCOTUS decision, then it gets struck down,

00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:31.580
<v Ivan>and it gets struck down in a way that he doesn't get to keep doing it until

00:59:31.580 --> 00:59:35.520
<v Ivan>it goes back to SCOTUS, specifically if it goes against that decision.

00:59:35.680 --> 00:59:42.540
<v Ivan>So this gets killed even faster because of how SCOTUS wrote the decision.

00:59:43.100 --> 00:59:49.560
<v Sam>Yeah. Now, SCOTUS let the tariffs stay in place until they decided this time.

00:59:49.560 --> 00:59:52.660
<v Sam>And what you're basically saying is, next time around, they may not.

00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Ivan>No, it's not that they may not. It's that there is already, exactly, it's right.

00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Ivan>Before, they appealed to let it stay in place until, yes, but here's the reality.

01:00:01.680 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Ivan>They already ruled on it.

01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:08.140
<v Ivan>So there isn't like this going around until we rule on it.

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Sam>Well, as you said, they're using a different authority. However, SCOTUS's opinion.

01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:22.620
<v Ivan>The decision specifically stated that he couldn't circumvent it in all of these

01:00:22.620 --> 01:00:24.500
<v Ivan>fucking ways that he's been talking about.

01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Ivan>That basically you need to go to fucking Congress. Right.

01:00:28.660 --> 01:00:35.540
<v Sam>I mean, that's the bottom line, is that they were wider in this decision than they could have been.

01:00:35.720 --> 01:00:41.020
<v Sam>They could have very narrowly said, you can't use this one authority, and that's it.

01:00:41.220 --> 01:00:46.040
<v Sam>They did say that, but in a lot of the commentary that surrounded it, they were more general.

01:00:46.220 --> 01:00:49.380
<v Sam>They were like, no, tariffs are a power of Congress. Tariffs are a power of

01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:50.840
<v Sam>Congress. You can't just do this.

01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:59.260
<v Sam>And so now, as you said, that doesn't stop him from trying. And he's clearly trying.

01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:01.360
<v Sam>And we'll see what happens.

01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.380
<v Sam>Now, the one thing that did not— The one authority.

01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Ivan>By the way, wait, wait, hold on a minute, because we're talking about the 15%.

01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.120
<v Ivan>The authority that he used right now, here's the bigger problem with the authority he used right now.

01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Ivan>They specifically say that the tariffs can only last 150 days unless Congress approves it.

01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:23.420
<v Ivan>That's the authority that he used right now. So, this thing is stupid, okay?

01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.500
<v Ivan>He can't hold them in place anyway.

01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:36.580
<v Sam>Now, could he let them lapse on day 150 and on day 152 just start them again for a new 150th?

01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.980
<v Ivan>How do you think, basically, when SCOTUS already told him that he needs to get

01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Ivan>tax authority, how do you think that's going to fly?

01:01:44.240 --> 01:01:49.000
<v Ivan>Well, as long as— But given how he got slapped down hard on this,

01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:55.600
<v Ivan>this is a pretty hard slap down on Trump.

01:01:55.620 --> 01:01:59.500
<v Ivan>And he showed that he got slapped down. He was pissed.

01:01:59.500 --> 01:02:06.260
<v Sam>Well, and here's the one thing that Trump did refrain from just saying,

01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:10.480
<v Sam>well, fuck him, I'm going to keep him going anyway, which is one response he

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Sam>could have made that would have caused even more trouble.

01:02:14.140 --> 01:02:16.060
<v Sam>But he did not do that.

01:02:17.080 --> 01:02:20.080
<v Ivan>The thing is that he could have attempted to do that.

01:02:20.220 --> 01:02:23.240
<v Ivan>But, you know, what would happen a lot of times, because a lot of these things

01:02:23.240 --> 01:02:27.140
<v Ivan>need to go to shippers or whatever, this would have created utter chaos.

01:02:27.140 --> 01:02:30.420
<v Ivan>Because a lot of people that actually work on having to collect tariffs in order

01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:33.080
<v Ivan>to do that, they would say, fuck, no, I got a court order that says here I can't

01:02:33.080 --> 01:02:34.320
<v Ivan>collect them. What the fuck am I doing?

01:02:35.500 --> 01:02:39.920
<v Ivan>It would utterly create complete chaos if that was his approach.

01:02:40.420 --> 01:02:43.540
<v Sam>Well, like I said, he refrained from doing that.

01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:48.260
<v Sam>And he could have done that. And yes, it would have caused chaos.

01:02:48.260 --> 01:02:54.640
<v Sam>But as we have seen over and over again, Trump does chaos.

01:02:54.640 --> 01:03:01.480
<v Ivan>I said, here's, well, here's, hey, bring on the fucking chaos right now. Because you know what?

01:03:02.100 --> 01:03:05.180
<v Ivan>None of this is helping the Republicans.

01:03:06.020 --> 01:03:11.340
<v Ivan>You know, we're less than how many months away now from a midterm? Ten months?

01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:21.860
<v Ivan>And, you know, he is doing everything in his power to make sure that they lose everything.

01:03:22.660 --> 01:03:27.320
<v Ivan>I mean, he is making, he is doing everything in his power to make sure they

01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:28.720
<v Ivan>lose both the Senate and the House.

01:03:29.750 --> 01:03:35.790
<v Ivan>Because, I mean, look, layoffs last month were at the worst level they've been.

01:03:36.230 --> 01:03:38.590
<v Ivan>That's why originally the tariffs, I'd frame more an economy.

01:03:38.890 --> 01:03:41.530
<v Ivan>Layoffs last month, the last couple of months, have been the worst they've been

01:03:41.530 --> 01:03:43.490
<v Ivan>since the Great Recession.

01:03:43.870 --> 01:03:44.090
<v Sam>Okay.

01:03:45.390 --> 01:03:48.150
<v Ivan>Economic growth last quarter was terrible. Okay.

01:03:48.570 --> 01:03:50.070
<v Sam>I thought it was the best ever, Yvonne.

01:03:50.690 --> 01:03:51.190
<v Ivan>Uh-huh.

01:03:51.410 --> 01:03:53.050
<v Sam>Didn't we have a number that said it was the best?

01:03:53.050 --> 01:03:59.730
<v Ivan>1.5%. And by the way, again, again, that's 1.5% thinking that they massaged the number.

01:03:59.910 --> 01:04:02.290
<v Ivan>I'm pretty sure that that was actually, when it gets adjusted,

01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:03.670
<v Ivan>it's going to get adjusted downward.

01:04:04.050 --> 01:04:05.010
<v Sam>You're still talking jobs.

01:04:05.670 --> 01:04:06.670
<v Ivan>No, no, no, the economy.

01:04:06.790 --> 01:04:07.570
<v Sam>GDP? GDP?

01:04:08.050 --> 01:04:12.770
<v Ivan>Yeah, the 1.5. I guarantee, those numbers always also get revised as well.

01:04:12.890 --> 01:04:16.950
<v Sam>What was the number that we talked about last week that was like,

01:04:17.090 --> 01:04:18.610
<v Sam>they're saying it was the best in forever?

01:04:18.610 --> 01:04:24.290
<v Ivan>The new jobs. New jobs, which they claim that 150,000 jobs were created.

01:04:24.490 --> 01:04:28.690
<v Ivan>But the reality is that the jobs reports for the last year had been revised

01:04:28.690 --> 01:04:30.990
<v Ivan>down almost every single one, two thirds down.

01:04:32.310 --> 01:04:36.430
<v Ivan>Which brought job creation to, I mean, a minimal number.

01:04:36.610 --> 01:04:39.650
<v Ivan>It's been one of the worst job creation numbers we've had in,

01:04:39.870 --> 01:04:42.850
<v Ivan>I don't, fuck, a long, long time.

01:04:43.150 --> 01:04:43.290
<v Sam>Right.

01:04:44.790 --> 01:04:50.810
<v Ivan>Probably since the Great Recession again. I mean, all these numbers are bad.

01:04:50.810 --> 01:04:56.790
<v Ivan>There was one that I shared in terms of loan delinquencies, late, you know,

01:04:57.290 --> 01:05:02.630
<v Ivan>lates, including even for affluent people that are at distress,

01:05:02.930 --> 01:05:07.530
<v Ivan>have risen to the worst levels that we've seen in many, many years as well.

01:05:07.830 --> 01:05:15.490
<v Ivan>So you've got, I mean, every fucking economic indicator right now sucks,

01:05:16.030 --> 01:05:21.230
<v Ivan>except a couple of things. One is the stock market, okay, all right?

01:05:22.250 --> 01:05:27.290
<v Ivan>The other one is any economic statistic that Trump can manipulate.

01:05:27.610 --> 01:05:32.770
<v Ivan>Now, the stock market, there's a couple of things. Remember something.

01:05:33.370 --> 01:05:40.150
<v Ivan>Most big American companies are global multinationals, not just U.S.-based.

01:05:41.450 --> 01:05:47.690
<v Ivan>The economy outside the U.S. is actually, in many places, doing better than in the U.S..

01:05:47.690 --> 01:05:47.910
<v Sam>Okay?

01:05:48.590 --> 01:05:53.370
<v Ivan>And so stock prices reflect, you know, not just U.S. economic activity.

01:05:53.690 --> 01:06:00.430
<v Ivan>So that influences that. So the stock market is not a good indicator of that, but also,

01:06:01.740 --> 01:06:06.560
<v Ivan>This entire thing is we were talking about AI earlier. If you strip out from

01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:09.240
<v Ivan>the Standard & Poor's index,

01:06:10.200 --> 01:06:15.100
<v Ivan>AI, the gain over the last couple of years, I can't remember the range that

01:06:15.100 --> 01:06:20.720
<v Ivan>I looked at, but I shared it on Slack, went from 72% down to 32%.

01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:27.740
<v Ivan>Basically, two-thirds of the growth in the stock market has been tied to the

01:06:27.740 --> 01:06:34.340
<v Ivan>AI boom, Which means that the rest of the economy is doing like shit.

01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.380
<v Sam>Well, still up.

01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:44.000
<v Ivan>Yeah, but it's not doing well.

01:06:44.540 --> 01:06:45.020
<v Sam>Okay.

01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:47.260
<v Ivan>Not, you know.

01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:53.440
<v Ivan>It's up, but it's not, you know.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.280
<v Ivan>Here is the stat. Over the last three years, the S&P 500 is up 76%.

01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:05.020
<v Ivan>The XAI index is only up 32% the same time period. Okay?

01:07:05.860 --> 01:07:10.980
<v Ivan>So that's like, instead of a 25% return every year, only 10.

01:07:11.260 --> 01:07:14.480
<v Ivan>Now, 10 is a good number, by the way. Don't get me wrong.

01:07:15.060 --> 01:07:20.700
<v Ivan>But it's not that. Plus, we know that that was three years.

01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:25.820
<v Ivan>They didn't publish. I wanted to see if they had like a like a chart of the

01:07:25.820 --> 01:07:30.400
<v Ivan>movement over the three years and I have not seen it I tried to look it up but I didn't see it but,

01:07:32.040 --> 01:07:37.520
<v Ivan>A lot of these companies that are the smaller companies in the index are the

01:07:37.520 --> 01:07:41.220
<v Ivan>ones that are getting hammered by the tariffs, by inflation,

01:07:41.500 --> 01:07:44.180
<v Ivan>by, you know, retail sales in December.

01:07:44.540 --> 01:07:49.980
<v Ivan>That was also another number that came in. They were bad. They were flat. They didn't grow.

01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:55.220
<v Ivan>So the rest of these companies are the ones that are getting hammered by this.

01:07:56.160 --> 01:07:59.880
<v Ivan>This is not good. And, you know, you combine the shitty economy.

01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:04.640
<v Ivan>I mean, you combine the fact that people, you know, listen, you asked,

01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:10.080
<v Ivan>if you did the old Reagan question, are you better off now than you were a year ago?

01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.140
<v Ivan>The resounding answer is a fuck no.

01:08:15.080 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Ivan>Every chart shows you that everybody is doing, you know, almost everybody's doing worse.

01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:27.840
<v Sam>This ties to what people have been talking about, about the whole K-shaped economy and all that as well.

01:08:27.860 --> 01:08:28.080
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:36.880
<v Sam>In terms of how, if you look at the top few percent in terms of wealth and income, they're doing great.

01:08:37.340 --> 01:08:37.960
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:45.420
<v Sam>They're doing great. But if you get beyond like the top five to 10 percent, people are struggling.

01:08:45.860 --> 01:08:51.500
<v Sam>And the further down you go in the economic ranks, the worse people are doing.

01:08:52.280 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Ivan>But listen, even the numbers and the debt distress that I shared,

01:08:55.620 --> 01:08:58.680
<v Ivan>it showed how this is starting to hit higher income people.

01:08:59.260 --> 01:09:02.740
<v Ivan>Exactly. It's been creeping up on that scale.

01:09:03.080 --> 01:09:08.160
<v Ivan>OK, and that's that's the that's the thing that is an impact right now,

01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:10.740
<v Ivan>how that impact is just moving up.

01:09:10.780 --> 01:09:14.500
<v Ivan>And I'm actually looking for it because I actually have to I've ran out.

01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:18.700
<v Ivan>I keep running out of free Bloomberg articles to share and I have to PDF it

01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:22.080
<v Ivan>and share it. So I, but, but there, there's a chart.

01:09:22.200 --> 01:09:24.840
<v Ivan>Here we go. It's, this is credit card.

01:09:25.100 --> 01:09:29.460
<v Ivan>It was related to credit cards and delinquencies and an article.

01:09:29.940 --> 01:09:32.580
<v Ivan>The headline was a little bit misleading because it was talking about,

01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:38.780
<v Ivan>about points, you know, earning and credit cards and so forth and how many people are, are addicted to it.

01:09:38.860 --> 01:09:43.580
<v Ivan>But inside, but inside that in, in, in the article, there was a section over

01:09:43.580 --> 01:09:45.280
<v Ivan>here where they were talking about, about.

01:09:46.350 --> 01:09:51.590
<v Ivan>You know, the faults, okay? And it said, and they were talking about swipe fees

01:09:51.590 --> 01:09:56.410
<v Ivan>and other fees for credit card and how, you know, President Trump had been pushing

01:09:56.410 --> 01:09:58.830
<v Ivan>for lower interest rates for credit cards.

01:09:59.190 --> 01:10:03.450
<v Ivan>And so the thing is that they said that the share of credit card loans that

01:10:03.450 --> 01:10:07.250
<v Ivan>were at least 90 days delinquent rose to 12.7%.

01:10:07.250 --> 01:10:14.250
<v Ivan>The most since the first quarter of 2011, the share of auto loans and serious

01:10:14.250 --> 01:10:20.470
<v Ivan>delinquency climbed 5.2%, just shy of the record reached in 2010.

01:10:21.170 --> 01:10:26.530
<v Ivan>I mean, Sam, this is, these are, I mean, this is post-fucking,

01:10:26.550 --> 01:10:33.170
<v Ivan>you know, massive meltdown crash numbers that we're reaching right now.

01:10:33.630 --> 01:10:34.030
<v Sam>Okay?

01:10:35.310 --> 01:10:40.330
<v Ivan>These completely contradict, you know, what the administration keeps trying

01:10:40.330 --> 01:10:43.010
<v Ivan>to say about the fucking economy, okay?

01:10:43.810 --> 01:10:47.770
<v Ivan>Also, by the way, that article, it talked about the fact that AI hasn't killed any jobs yet.

01:10:48.030 --> 01:10:52.870
<v Ivan>OK, so and that's totally true, that that's just bullshit right now that people

01:10:52.870 --> 01:10:56.950
<v Ivan>are making assumptions that, you know, like I said, adoption is so bad.

01:10:57.030 --> 01:11:02.810
<v Ivan>So but but still, Sam, you can't be say the economy is not thriving when you're

01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:07.110
<v Ivan>reaching those kind of delinquency levels on credit cards and auto loans.

01:11:07.290 --> 01:11:09.710
<v Ivan>OK, people are doing bad.

01:11:10.590 --> 01:11:14.030
<v Ivan>And this administration has been hell-bent on making them do worse.

01:11:14.170 --> 01:11:19.970
<v Ivan>If you look at the chart itself for the delinquencies, which is on page four

01:11:19.970 --> 01:11:26.710
<v Ivan>of it, the massive spike since Trump got elected is insane.

01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:31.950
<v Ivan>It literally, Trump in office and those delinquencies spiked.

01:11:32.410 --> 01:11:37.370
<v Ivan>Why was that? Sam, do you know one of the biggest things that they did that

01:11:37.370 --> 01:11:39.490
<v Ivan>fucked everybody when Trump came in?

01:11:39.710 --> 01:11:42.070
<v Sam>Well, we talked about this last week, school loans.

01:11:42.570 --> 01:11:43.330
<v Ivan>That's right!

01:11:44.500 --> 01:11:48.720
<v Ivan>He fucked everybody with that. That hammered so many people.

01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.880
<v Ivan>And so people are pissed, man. I don't, you know, just...

01:11:54.740 --> 01:11:57.820
<v Ivan>And this whole tariff thing... By the way, here's the thing.

01:11:57.900 --> 01:11:58.920
<v Ivan>Somebody mentioned yesterday.

01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:04.260
<v Ivan>Could Trump, given how bad the economy is, could the Republicans take a gift

01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:07.980
<v Ivan>and just have SCOTUS bail them out? But no!

01:12:08.360 --> 01:12:16.860
<v Ivan>Trump is hell-bent on not even just taking a fucking W, okay?

01:12:18.040 --> 01:12:26.420
<v Ivan>Because he sees everything through his lens that makes everything look great. It's all personal.

01:12:26.420 --> 01:12:27.500
<v Sam>It's all about him.

01:12:27.940 --> 01:12:29.120
<v Ivan>It's all about him.

01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:33.700
<v Sam>And anyone going against him is against him, and that's all that matters.

01:12:34.040 --> 01:12:38.400
<v Ivan>But look, given that he is making more money than ever, he is getting richer

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:40.400
<v Ivan>than ever, how could this be bad?

01:12:40.620 --> 01:12:43.860
<v Ivan>You know, this is great. This is great!

01:12:45.550 --> 01:12:50.430
<v Ivan>I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's making out big time.

01:12:51.670 --> 01:12:55.570
<v Ivan>By the way, I checked the, but anyway, talking about cryptocurrencies crashing

01:12:55.570 --> 01:12:57.450
<v Ivan>as well, you know, because so many, you know,

01:12:57.730 --> 01:13:02.750
<v Ivan>because outside of Bitcoin falling like 40, 50%, you know, all the,

01:13:02.750 --> 01:13:07.270
<v Ivan>all the Donald Trump, all the Trump family tied coins. Okay.

01:13:07.510 --> 01:13:07.930
<v Sam>All of those.

01:13:08.090 --> 01:13:09.230
<v Ivan>I saw a chart recently.

01:13:09.470 --> 01:13:09.670
<v Sam>Okay.

01:13:09.930 --> 01:13:10.710
<v Ivan>They're doing, they're doing.

01:13:11.330 --> 01:13:11.810
<v Sam>Wait.

01:13:12.050 --> 01:13:12.130
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:13:12.730 --> 01:13:14.110
<v Sam>I can't believe that.

01:13:14.210 --> 01:13:16.270
<v Ivan>They're all down like 95. 95%.

01:13:16.270 --> 01:13:19.710
<v Sam>Oh, man. There goes my life savings.

01:13:20.370 --> 01:13:25.730
<v Ivan>You're fucked. What am I going to tell you? You know, I'm going to have to fucking

01:13:25.730 --> 01:13:29.510
<v Ivan>like shake my ass and do some something.

01:13:30.510 --> 01:13:31.830
<v Ivan>Try at least anyway.

01:13:32.990 --> 01:13:36.150
<v Ivan>95% Sam. 95 fucking percent.

01:13:36.990 --> 01:13:40.530
<v Ivan>Or more. Some are 99% I saw.

01:13:40.950 --> 01:13:47.950
<v Ivan>They were just wiped out. They just cashed out. Fuck you. Here you go. Here's your shit coin.

01:13:50.890 --> 01:13:51.850
<v Sam>How's DJT?

01:13:52.630 --> 01:13:55.570
<v Ivan>It's also down like near its lows.

01:13:56.150 --> 01:13:56.570
<v Sam>Okay.

01:13:57.070 --> 01:14:01.910
<v Ivan>Under $10. It was at 60 something. It's down to like under $10.

01:14:02.370 --> 01:14:04.370
<v Ivan>So also that one is in the crapper.

01:14:04.790 --> 01:14:10.050
<v Sam>Okay. Any other tariff and or economy stuff to get out before we take one more break?

01:14:10.210 --> 01:14:14.550
<v Sam>And then I have one more thing I want to make sure to, a couple of more things to note. no no let's.

01:14:14.550 --> 01:14:16.790
<v Ivan>Go let's go because we got we got we got yeah we got to go.

01:14:16.790 --> 01:14:20.670
<v Sam>Yeah i got about 15 minutes before i have to like get in a car so let's go somewhere

01:14:20.670 --> 01:14:29.830
<v Sam>all right let's go let's go yeah okay break time yeah very very as usual very

01:14:29.830 --> 01:14:35.750
<v Sam>eloquently i i am the master of eloquence here we go,

01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:01.220
<v Sam>Okay. That's the whole thing. That's the shortest break we have right now. You enjoyed that?

01:15:01.260 --> 01:15:03.600
<v Ivan>Very good, Sam. Yes, excellent. Okay.

01:15:03.940 --> 01:15:07.140
<v Sam>We have used that one before. It's not like it's a new one, but yes.

01:15:07.280 --> 01:15:11.280
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, I hear it every time and I still laugh anyway.

01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:15.880
<v Sam>Okay, so the one thing I wanted to mention is,

01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:21.500
<v Sam>I mean, we have one very notable case that's made the news, but just more generally,

01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:27.380
<v Sam>new investigations that actually are being prompted by the Epstein files.

01:15:28.040 --> 01:15:32.520
<v Sam>Now, in terms of there actually being consequences and things happening,

01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:37.800
<v Sam>now, almost all of the consequences that have happened from the things that

01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:41.300
<v Sam>have been released in the last month or so have been overseas.

01:15:41.620 --> 01:15:47.220
<v Sam>The latest is, of course, Prince Andrew was just arrested, not for sex trafficking

01:15:47.220 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Sam>or anything. Wait, wait. Yes?

01:15:48.980 --> 01:15:49.440
<v Ivan>Andrew.

01:15:49.780 --> 01:15:54.900
<v Sam>Yeah, no longer. Andrew Windsor Montbatten, whatever his full name.

01:15:54.900 --> 01:15:55.580
<v Ivan>Whatever, yeah.

01:15:55.620 --> 01:15:56.880
<v Sam>Because he's no longer a prince. Ants.

01:15:57.380 --> 01:15:57.820
<v Ivan>Right.

01:15:58.080 --> 01:16:05.660
<v Sam>Yes. But he was just arrested not for sex trafficking, but for apparently passing

01:16:05.660 --> 01:16:09.220
<v Sam>confidential information to Epstein.

01:16:10.170 --> 01:16:15.550
<v Sam>years ago, that he had access to as part of his royal duties.

01:16:16.370 --> 01:16:19.750
<v Sam>Like economic information of some sort, right, Yvonne? Something like that.

01:16:20.510 --> 01:16:24.550
<v Ivan>But actually, I didn't delve that much into the charge.

01:16:24.670 --> 01:16:28.510
<v Ivan>I know it was something related to some public act of malfeasance,

01:16:28.690 --> 01:16:33.950
<v Ivan>but I actually had not read that that was the specific charge. So that's interesting.

01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:40.090
<v Sam>Yeah, no, I didn't read the details, But I believe it was passing confidential

01:16:40.090 --> 01:16:47.430
<v Sam>economic-related data to Epstein in advance of its public release was basically what he was doing.

01:16:47.650 --> 01:16:52.590
<v Sam>Now, of course, the questions that rise off this are like, now why exactly was

01:16:52.590 --> 01:16:55.450
<v Sam>he sharing that information? Was there some sort of quid pro quo?

01:16:55.690 --> 01:16:58.790
<v Sam>Was he being blackmailed? What was going on?

01:16:58.930 --> 01:17:03.250
<v Sam>And we aren't at that stage of things yet. Did he just like,

01:17:03.430 --> 01:17:05.390
<v Sam>did he just make a habit of passing

01:17:05.390 --> 01:17:09.290
<v Sam>out information like this to all his friends, you know, or whatever?

01:17:09.670 --> 01:17:13.850
<v Sam>Anyway, that's the charge that's against him. But also several other people

01:17:13.850 --> 01:17:19.430
<v Sam>in UK government have been forced to resign based on revelations of their various

01:17:19.430 --> 01:17:20.990
<v Sam>contacts with Epstein, etc.

01:17:21.710 --> 01:17:26.690
<v Sam>And this is one of the key questions as this stuff has been released that I've

01:17:26.690 --> 01:17:30.990
<v Sam>mentioned on this show over and over again is like, look, there are all kinds

01:17:30.990 --> 01:17:32.910
<v Sam>of crazy accusations in the files.

01:17:33.330 --> 01:17:37.010
<v Sam>I mean, some of them, I believe some of like some of them, I don't necessarily

01:17:37.010 --> 01:17:41.050
<v Sam>believe. Like, I believe there's something in there about George H.W.

01:17:41.450 --> 01:17:43.910
<v Sam>Bush engaging in cannibalism.

01:17:45.670 --> 01:17:50.430
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm not sure I buy that one. But on the other hand, just to be clear,

01:17:50.790 --> 01:17:55.870
<v Sam>in the UK, if you remember, which prime minister was it? David Cameron or whatever?

01:17:56.150 --> 01:18:00.890
<v Sam>The story came out about him in college, like having sex with a pig,

01:18:01.150 --> 01:18:03.770
<v Sam>with a dead pig's head to be specific.

01:18:03.890 --> 01:18:07.290
<v Sam>And it turned out to be true. He admitted it. Okay?

01:18:07.730 --> 01:18:09.690
<v Sam>So like, at this point.

01:18:09.930 --> 01:18:10.950
<v Ivan>What the f-

01:18:12.060 --> 01:18:15.400
<v Ivan>Gosh, I must have erased this from my memory banks.

01:18:15.980 --> 01:18:21.220
<v Sam>So it was a college initiation hazing kind of thing.

01:18:21.400 --> 01:18:27.240
<v Sam>He had to like, they brought a dead pig head and he had to like.

01:18:27.380 --> 01:18:32.000
<v Ivan>No wonder I never joined a fraternity. What the fuck is wrong with these idiots?

01:18:32.320 --> 01:18:36.060
<v Sam>So my point is, like, you would hear that story and be like,

01:18:36.140 --> 01:18:38.500
<v Sam>there's no fucking way. That's ridiculous.

01:18:39.020 --> 01:18:42.620
<v Sam>That didn't happen. And it turns out it was true.

01:18:42.980 --> 01:18:46.980
<v Sam>OK, so this I don't know.

01:18:47.160 --> 01:18:51.380
<v Sam>But, you know, when I hear the George H.W. Bush cannibalism story,

01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:53.960
<v Sam>I'm like, come on. Really?

01:18:54.660 --> 01:19:01.780
<v Sam>but a lot of you know but again the pig the pig happened so,

01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:07.700
<v Sam>anyway but look but there are a lot of things in there that seem to be plausible

01:19:07.700 --> 01:19:16.060
<v Sam>but the key is that it looks like most of them were not seriously investigated

01:19:16.060 --> 01:19:17.800
<v Sam>or at least if they're but.

01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:22.900
<v Ivan>There are also a whole bunch in there that basically corroborate.

01:19:22.900 --> 01:19:28.000
<v Sam>Other things that had been publicly reported that we knew that were.

01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.600
<v Ivan>Accusations that all of a sudden got swept under rug or something.

01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:37.820
<v Sam>Or whatever. And I think that's like again, I keep coming back to this.

01:19:37.940 --> 01:19:42.000
<v Sam>Yes, the underlying crimes are of course horrific, but,

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:47.740
<v Sam>It's also a really huge scandal how they weren't taken seriously and they weren't

01:19:47.740 --> 01:19:52.700
<v Sam>investigated and they were swept under the rug and which of these deserve follow-up

01:19:52.700 --> 01:19:55.760
<v Sam>investigations, even if statutes of limitation have passed.

01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:02.180
<v Sam>And one of the things is obviously the DOJ is not going to do jack. We know that.

01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:04.680
<v Sam>But are there— Actually.

01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:08.580
<v Ivan>My whole thing was like I was wondering when the preemptive pardons were going to be issued.

01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:13.400
<v Sam>That's true for federal crimes. But the other question is, are there things

01:20:13.400 --> 01:20:16.420
<v Sam>that state and local authorities could be doing?

01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:17.380
<v Ivan>Sure as hell hope so.

01:20:17.500 --> 01:20:23.240
<v Sam>And one of the things that was reported is that this week there is an investigation

01:20:23.240 --> 01:20:25.080
<v Sam>kicking off in New Mexico.

01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:32.720
<v Sam>Because there was stuff in the files about accusations of people being killed

01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:36.320
<v Sam>and buried on a specific piece of property.

01:20:36.980 --> 01:20:40.780
<v Sam>So they're actually going to go dig up the property and see if they can find some bodies.

01:20:41.300 --> 01:20:45.600
<v Sam>You know, and maybe maybe the whole thing is bullshit and they find absolutely

01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.240
<v Sam>nothing, but at least they're looking.

01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:53.180
<v Sam>And I think that's the kind of thing that needs to be kicking off all over the places.

01:20:53.420 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Sam>OK, the feds aren't going to do it there. Like you said, there may be preemptive pardons.

01:20:58.180 --> 01:21:03.620
<v Sam>State and local authorities need to step up in places where these accusations are happening.

01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:07.500
<v Sam>There were accusations in the files about things that happened in Michigan.

01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:14.020
<v Sam>Start taking a look. you know right you know and and various other ones like

01:21:14.020 --> 01:21:18.700
<v Sam>wherever there's some other authority that potentially could be involved now

01:21:18.700 --> 01:21:22.040
<v Sam>again the statute of limitations is going to hurt a lot of things a lot of these

01:21:22.040 --> 01:21:27.060
<v Sam>crimes in question not all of them some of them have no statute of limitations but,

01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:33.680
<v Sam>But some of them, you know, they're just going to say, like,

01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.140
<v Sam>yeah, maybe this happened, but it was 30 years ago. There's nothing we can do at this point.

01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:43.800
<v Sam>So, you know, so you have to have some sort of nexus to either something with

01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.020
<v Sam>no statute of limitation or something current.

01:21:47.320 --> 01:21:53.260
<v Sam>But any investigative authority that potentially could needs to start looking into that.

01:21:53.380 --> 01:21:57.520
<v Sam>And I think one of the Congress people is also really pushing hard.

01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:01.340
<v Sam>the Democratic congresspeople, is still looking hard at, okay,

01:22:01.480 --> 01:22:03.040
<v Sam>let's dig into the financials here.

01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:05.900
<v Ivan>Too. Wait, not the Republicans? No, no, wait, no. Really?

01:22:05.900 --> 01:22:09.080
<v Sam>Well, there are a few Republicans. Just to be clear, there are a few Republicans

01:22:09.080 --> 01:22:10.480
<v Sam>who've been pushing hard on this, too.

01:22:11.080 --> 01:22:12.660
<v Ivan>There are a few Republicans that have been pushing hard on this.

01:22:13.700 --> 01:22:20.660
<v Sam>Most prominently, Massey, but we've had a few others. Nancy Mace, MTG, before she left.

01:22:21.100 --> 01:22:25.620
<v Sam>There are a few others. So there have been a handful of Republicans that have

01:22:25.620 --> 01:22:28.000
<v Sam>been all in on this as well.

01:22:28.460 --> 01:22:35.300
<v Sam>But the push to look at the financials, too, of like, OK, what exactly was going

01:22:35.300 --> 01:22:38.280
<v Sam>on with the ins and outs of money into Epstein?

01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:45.660
<v Sam>And did it make sense from a point of view that was not people trying to pay him off or whatever?

01:22:45.660 --> 01:22:48.980
<v Sam>um right and actually one of the resignations

01:22:48.980 --> 01:22:52.060
<v Sam>we have had in the u.s was uh what's

01:22:52.060 --> 01:22:54.700
<v Sam>her name which company what one of the banks there was an

01:22:54.700 --> 01:22:58.040
<v Sam>executive at one of the banks who a female executive

01:22:58.040 --> 01:23:03.140
<v Sam>at one of the banks who has resigned because she was because of her involvement

01:23:03.140 --> 01:23:09.120
<v Sam>with epstein specific and like amongst other things she was one of only three

01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:15.400
<v Sam>people epstein called when he was arrested for advice on what to do, which she happily gave.

01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.820
<v Ivan>I remember, I see the picture in my head. It was at Goldman Sachs.

01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:19.920
<v Sam>It was Goldman Sachs.

01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.480
<v Ivan>It was, yeah, it was a general counsel at Goldman Sachs.

01:23:23.580 --> 01:23:28.460
<v Sam>Right. And so, I don't know. The only thing I'm saying is,

01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:37.000
<v Sam>I am heartened by the developments over the last couple weeks of actual further

01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.540
<v Sam>investigations being kicked off,

01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:45.880
<v Sam>of people having things actually happen to them, and that this isn't going away

01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:47.920
<v Sam>yet, as much as Trump would like it to.

01:23:48.120 --> 01:23:51.480
<v Ivan>But Sam, Trump said he was exonerated.

01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:52.540
<v Sam>Oh, yes.

01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:56.760
<v Ivan>By the files. He's exonerated. What are you talking about? He's been exonerated.

01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:59.260
<v Sam>And frankly, I have— He's exonerated.

01:23:59.260 --> 01:24:03.200
<v Ivan>I think he said he was exonerated thousands of times or something like that.

01:24:03.340 --> 01:24:07.800
<v Sam>Thousands of times. Apparently, his name appears more than anybody else's in

01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.780
<v Sam>the whole thing, other than Epstein himself.

01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:14.700
<v Sam>You know, it's like millions of occurrences in the redacted stuff.

01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:19.660
<v Sam>When the Congress people got to look at the unredacted version and search on

01:24:19.660 --> 01:24:22.980
<v Sam>his name, it was like 1.5 million references or something like that.

01:24:23.340 --> 01:24:25.740
<v Sam>Now, they could all be innocent, right?

01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:32.240
<v Sam>But again, this is one of the places where there were more accusations in the

01:24:32.240 --> 01:24:37.400
<v Sam>Epstein files that get added to all the accusations we'd heard anyway about

01:24:37.400 --> 01:24:42.080
<v Sam>him over the years, including, yeah, anyway, look,

01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:51.700
<v Sam>even if nothing touches Trump, this clearly has not been properly investigated

01:24:51.700 --> 01:24:54.340
<v Sam>and properly prosecuted over the years.

01:24:54.340 --> 01:24:56.920
<v Ivan>The only reason, let me tell you something. The only reason,

01:24:57.040 --> 01:24:58.200
<v Ivan>you're saying it doesn't touch Trump.

01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:03.920
<v Sam>No, I said even if it doesn't touch Trump, there's clearly all kinds of other stuff.

01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.860
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but let's be clear. The stuff in there about Trump is damning.

01:25:09.420 --> 01:25:09.560
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:25:09.700 --> 01:25:17.760
<v Ivan>There are really serious accusations in there against Trump about rape, other things.

01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:24.780
<v Ivan>because, I mean, you know, that basically document that he was a liar about

01:25:24.780 --> 01:25:29.120
<v Ivan>anything that he said about his relationship with Epstein is all bullshit, okay?

01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:32.460
<v Ivan>Everything that he has said before about it is complete and utter bullshit.

01:25:33.040 --> 01:25:36.780
<v Ivan>That it shows that this thing that him supposedly throw him out of Mar-a-Lago

01:25:36.780 --> 01:25:39.020
<v Ivan>and get him rid of or whatever is also bullshit.

01:25:39.320 --> 01:25:43.040
<v Ivan>All of it, that anything that he has talked about this is a complete lie.

01:25:43.040 --> 01:25:47.860
<v Ivan>And there are serious accusations in there that are documented,

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:52.660
<v Ivan>that back up things that we had heard publicly from other sources that showed

01:25:52.660 --> 01:25:54.620
<v Ivan>that he had committed rape.

01:25:56.020 --> 01:26:00.820
<v Ivan>But, like you said, this is going to be federally prosecuted.

01:26:01.040 --> 01:26:02.580
<v Sam>As well as overage. Both.

01:26:03.080 --> 01:26:03.400
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:26:03.700 --> 01:26:04.340
<v Sam>Both.

01:26:05.260 --> 01:26:08.300
<v Ivan>But, you know, Pam Bondi's going to get right on that, right?

01:26:08.900 --> 01:26:11.160
<v Sam>Oh, yes. Yes, of course. Yes.

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:18.620
<v Ivan>I mean, this is like brutally damning against him. I don't, you know.

01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:23.920
<v Sam>But he keeps saying that it's. A few months ago, there was a picture floating

01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:28.960
<v Sam>around of Pam Bondi, Pam Bondi meeting Donald Trump when she was a teenager.

01:26:29.580 --> 01:26:31.940
<v Sam>And so it's like, oh, maybe she was one of them.

01:26:32.580 --> 01:26:34.920
<v Sam>You know, honestly, there's no evidence of that.

01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:37.520
<v Ivan>But, you know, but wait, but would it surprise you?

01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:41.620
<v Sam>No, nothing would surprise anybody at this point.

01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:47.960
<v Sam>Okay. With that, I think it's time to wrap things up. Do-do-do. Okay.

01:26:48.480 --> 01:26:48.940
<v Ivan>Do-do-do.

01:26:49.320 --> 01:26:53.420
<v Sam>So, first, before I get to my usual stuff, I will mention, you know,

01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:55.660
<v Sam>Yvonne made a couple references to Robin Ladder.

01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:00.880
<v Sam>I mentioned last week that I was launching the first Test Robins after recording the show.

01:27:01.080 --> 01:27:06.560
<v Sam>I did that last Sunday, and I just want to thank everybody who has actually

01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.800
<v Sam>joined and participated and helped me test.

01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:15.500
<v Sam>As of right now, there are 23 users of the thing in four different Robins,

01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:17.520
<v Sam>three I created, one that Yvonne created.

01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:21.960
<v Sam>I'm probably going to launch some additional test Robins tomorrow,

01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:27.260
<v Sam>maybe before this podcast even gets out with some additional groups with some

01:27:27.260 --> 01:27:28.560
<v Sam>overlap with the existing ones.

01:27:29.340 --> 01:27:32.200
<v Sam>But and yeah, so it's working well.

01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:37.360
<v Sam>I've made a bunch of changes and fixes and updates based on feedback that I've had from people so far.

01:27:37.860 --> 01:27:43.860
<v Sam>If anybody out there is interested in joining and hasn't already gotten an invite

01:27:43.860 --> 01:27:46.680
<v Sam>from me and wants one, just contact me.

01:27:46.820 --> 01:27:49.860
<v Sam>If you go to robinletter.com, there's an email at the bottom. You can use that.

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:52.380
<v Sam>Send me a note saying that you'd like to be included.

01:27:52.660 --> 01:27:59.240
<v Sam>So far, I got two Robins that are my relatives. I've got one Robin that's people

01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:01.380
<v Sam>who've been active on the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack, but.

01:28:02.390 --> 01:28:07.590
<v Sam>And there's and there's still three outstanding invites for the Curmudgeon's

01:28:07.590 --> 01:28:11.670
<v Sam>Corner Slack where I sent out an invite but the person hasn't accepted yet but,

01:28:12.150 --> 01:28:15.830
<v Sam>yeah and I and Yvonne made one of some of our Pittsburgh friends from when we

01:28:15.830 --> 01:28:19.370
<v Sam>were in college and yeah if you get it but.

01:28:19.370 --> 01:28:20.690
<v Ivan>There's a couple missing I don't

01:28:20.690 --> 01:28:24.810
<v Ivan>have their emails I gotta I didn't have like I didn't have handy Pete.

01:28:24.810 --> 01:28:28.630
<v Sam>Well the other the other thing Yvonne is that you sort of stepped on like one

01:28:28.630 --> 01:28:33.730
<v Sam>of the test Robins that I was gonna make this coming tomorrow was going to be

01:28:33.730 --> 01:28:35.010
<v Sam>people who knew me from college.

01:28:35.330 --> 01:28:39.810
<v Sam>So it's going to be the people you have plus more. So I'll get them in that one anyway.

01:28:40.010 --> 01:28:44.110
<v Sam>But you can keep the smaller one and add more people to it if you want.

01:28:44.250 --> 01:28:45.090
<v Sam>But I've got one that's...

01:28:45.090 --> 01:28:47.110
<v Ivan>No, no, no. If you're going to do that, then fine.

01:28:47.290 --> 01:28:50.290
<v Sam>I probably got one with like 10 people at least already.

01:28:50.290 --> 01:28:51.990
<v Ivan>Oh, no, no. Okay, okay.

01:28:52.270 --> 01:28:57.070
<v Sam>So including all the ones you just mentioned. So I'll probably set that up tomorrow. Bro.

01:28:57.690 --> 01:29:01.590
<v Sam>Yeah, I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

01:29:01.770 --> 01:29:06.310
<v Sam>I got nine people on my CMU list, two of which you don't even know,

01:29:06.450 --> 01:29:09.670
<v Sam>Yvonne, that are people I knew from CMU that you don't.

01:29:10.210 --> 01:29:12.070
<v Ivan>That I never met? I mean, really?

01:29:12.370 --> 01:29:14.970
<v Sam>That you never met? Yeah, they're people that I- Or even.

01:29:14.970 --> 01:29:15.610
<v Ivan>Heard of them?

01:29:16.190 --> 01:29:18.290
<v Sam>Bob K. and Vernon H..

01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:20.900
<v Ivan>Okay. Definitely. I don't. Okay.

01:29:21.100 --> 01:29:27.260
<v Sam>See, these are, these are both people that I knew from before CMU who also went to CMU.

01:29:27.860 --> 01:29:29.560
<v Ivan>Ah, okay. All right.

01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:33.760
<v Sam>So, but anyway, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll send that out.

01:29:33.980 --> 01:29:38.960
<v Sam>And, and I got one for, for people from, from a couple of jobs I had before.

01:29:39.180 --> 01:29:43.620
<v Sam>I, I, I was gonna, I, I want to make one from people I knew from high school

01:29:43.620 --> 01:29:48.340
<v Sam>too, but so far I have only have one person who's responded to me for that one.

01:29:48.340 --> 01:29:50.580
<v Sam>And I might send out another notice asking for more people.

01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:55.320
<v Sam>Because the other thing I noticed, I posted on Facebook yesterday with a,

01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:59.060
<v Sam>hey, everybody, I launched this new thing. I'm looking for volunteers, blah, blah, blah.

01:29:59.260 --> 01:30:01.780
<v Sam>And I included the Robin Letter logo.

01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.420
<v Sam>It made the Robin Letter logo real big. But the way Facebook does things these

01:30:05.420 --> 01:30:07.420
<v Sam>days is it prefers images.

01:30:07.820 --> 01:30:12.300
<v Sam>So it had the big image of the stupid Robin logo for Robin Letter.

01:30:12.300 --> 01:30:15.980
<v Sam>and it had like five words from

01:30:15.980 --> 01:30:20.260
<v Sam>the thing i wrote followed by more dot dot dot so like

01:30:20.260 --> 01:30:23.640
<v Sam>i might make a new version of the post that's mainly

01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.620
<v Sam>an image and repost it to ask

01:30:26.620 --> 01:30:29.280
<v Sam>for more people and and i also said you

01:30:29.280 --> 01:30:32.140
<v Sam>know send me an email because i need an email to invite you

01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:34.860
<v Sam>if you want it and there are a bunch of people who reacted to that

01:30:34.860 --> 01:30:37.460
<v Sam>post but didn't send me an email so i'm going to

01:30:37.460 --> 01:30:40.280
<v Sam>contact them individually and say like did you actually want to anyway but

01:30:40.280 --> 01:30:44.440
<v Sam>getting distracted it anyway it's going well if you are interested and you're

01:30:44.440 --> 01:30:48.840
<v Sam>not already in uh toss me a quick email and let me know i'll make sure you get

01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:53.700
<v Sam>invited to a test robin once you're in you can also make your own uh just like

01:30:53.700 --> 01:30:57.960
<v Sam>yvonne did okay and now for the regular end of the show.

01:30:59.400 --> 01:31:02.880
<v Sam>Go to curmudgeon-corner.com. You can find all the ways to contact us.

01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.100
<v Sam>You can find our archives.

01:31:04.300 --> 01:31:06.780
<v Sam>You can find transcripts. You can find all of that kind of stuff.

01:31:06.980 --> 01:31:10.280
<v Sam>It's great fun. It's amazing. It's good. It's whatever, right?

01:31:11.180 --> 01:31:14.620
<v Sam>And as well, you can find our link to our Patreon where you can give us cash

01:31:14.620 --> 01:31:18.000
<v Sam>money at various levels of monthly contribution.

01:31:18.160 --> 01:31:21.280
<v Sam>We will mention you on the show. We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard.

01:31:21.400 --> 01:31:24.720
<v Sam>We will send you a mug, all of that kind of stuff. And importantly,

01:31:25.020 --> 01:31:30.540
<v Sam>at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask, we will invite you to our Curbudgeons

01:31:30.540 --> 01:31:36.200
<v Sam>Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and a bunch of people are chatting throughout

01:31:36.200 --> 01:31:39.840
<v Sam>the week and sharing links and all that kind of stuff.

01:31:40.780 --> 01:31:44.520
<v Sam>And yeah, so Yvonne, do you have a highlight from the Slack today?

01:31:45.620 --> 01:31:51.940
<v Ivan>Well, I kept, I have been sharing that for some reason, look, I'm not poor.

01:31:52.140 --> 01:31:55.820
<v Ivan>Okay. But I am not Rolls Royce rich.

01:31:56.000 --> 01:32:01.160
<v Ivan>Okay. I don't understand why the fuck the algorithm keeps thinking I'm interested

01:32:01.160 --> 01:32:06.700
<v Ivan>in buying, uh, Bentleys, Rolls Royces, whatever the fuck.

01:32:06.940 --> 01:32:14.000
<v Ivan>So, you know, I keep being shown ads to buy certified pre-owned, uh, uh, vehicles.

01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:19.960
<v Ivan>And these are all, so another listing, I shared one earlier of a Bentley that

01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:24.160
<v Ivan>had like 1,500 miles and it's worth three foot, you know, I don't know, some stupid amount.

01:32:24.460 --> 01:32:30.720
<v Ivan>This week, okay, my feature was 2025 Rolls-Royce Spectre, which is an electric car, okay?

01:32:30.900 --> 01:32:35.420
<v Ivan>By the way, I don't know if you know that Rolls-Royce makes this huge electric coupe, okay?

01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.460
<v Ivan>It's, people have reviewed it, say it's incredible, it's lovely,

01:32:39.660 --> 01:32:41.180
<v Ivan>I mean, it's quiet, it's whatever.

01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:53.500
<v Ivan>It's used, Sam, used. The price of the listing, if you looked in, list price, $432,888.

01:32:53.840 --> 01:33:00.180
<v Ivan>Plus, by the way, they do charge on top of that, a $1,199 dealer service charge

01:33:00.180 --> 01:33:06.000
<v Ivan>and a $498 electric filing fee and a license charge of $450.

01:33:06.460 --> 01:33:18.700
<v Ivan>Bringing the total to a very reasonable $434,935. dollars for a used 2025 with 1,648 miles.

01:33:19.100 --> 01:33:23.080
<v Ivan>It does have an electric range of 329 miles, Sam.

01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:28.460
<v Ivan>It's, you know, I, you know, I did say, you know, um, you know, seems very reasonable.

01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.120
<v Ivan>I don't know. What do you think? Especially in this economy?

01:33:31.260 --> 01:33:34.420
<v Ivan>I think, you know, this is the kind of purchases I should be looking for.

01:33:34.500 --> 01:33:35.500
<v Sam>I think you need at least three.

01:33:36.160 --> 01:33:41.660
<v Ivan>Oh, three. Oh, so I'm getting a fleet. Oh, okay. I'll get on that right away.

01:33:43.730 --> 01:33:45.030
<v Ivan>I'll make it our corporate fleet.

01:33:46.490 --> 01:33:46.810
<v Sam>Yes.

01:33:46.810 --> 01:33:50.630
<v Ivan>I mean, they're electric at least, so they're, you know, good for the environment in some way.

01:33:50.890 --> 01:33:51.690
<v Sam>In some way.

01:33:51.790 --> 01:33:54.710
<v Ivan>If we keep them for like 15 years or something, probably, yeah.

01:33:56.110 --> 01:33:59.330
<v Sam>That's important. And, you know, use them often.

01:34:00.030 --> 01:34:00.650
<v Ivan>And you, yeah.

01:34:01.170 --> 01:34:01.910
<v Sam>Use them often.

01:34:02.090 --> 01:34:03.410
<v Ivan>So that's it. That's all I got.

01:34:04.370 --> 01:34:06.170
<v Sam>Different colors. You should get different colors.

01:34:06.290 --> 01:34:08.790
<v Ivan>Ah, different colors. Yes, we've got to get different colors, of course, yes.

01:34:08.910 --> 01:34:13.710
<v Sam>None of these bland gray and white colors, too. I want bright, vibrant colors.

01:34:14.350 --> 01:34:16.430
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like this, yeah.

01:34:17.050 --> 01:34:21.310
<v Sam>You know, I'll take mine wrapped. Get a yellow. I'll take mine wrapped with the Abblesmay logo.

01:34:21.970 --> 01:34:27.770
<v Ivan>That sounds like a great idea. You know, I'll have one wrapped with a Robin Letter logo.

01:34:28.050 --> 01:34:28.730
<v Sam>Okay, there you go.

01:34:28.730 --> 01:34:30.550
<v Ivan>And then I'll have another one with the Abblesmay logo.

01:34:30.890 --> 01:34:31.150
<v Sam>Yep.

01:34:31.530 --> 01:34:33.870
<v Ivan>And then I'll have another one with a Weeki of the Day logo.

01:34:34.190 --> 01:34:38.270
<v Sam>And then one with the curmudgeon's corner thing, which is just our faces.

01:34:39.150 --> 01:34:45.490
<v Ivan>Right. Wait, I'm sure people love, I'm sure people love, let's have them picked

01:34:45.490 --> 01:34:50.150
<v Ivan>up at the airport with the car with our faces plastered on it.

01:34:50.890 --> 01:34:52.290
<v Ivan>I'm sure people will love that.

01:34:52.410 --> 01:34:53.390
<v Sam>Yes, exactly.

01:34:53.650 --> 01:34:56.250
<v Ivan>Sounds like a great, I think we got this all worked out. Okay,

01:34:56.310 --> 01:34:57.570
<v Ivan>great. I'll get on that right away.

01:34:57.610 --> 01:35:01.750
<v Sam>Yeah, and I realized I forgot with my Robin Letter spiel to give at least the

01:35:01.750 --> 01:35:03.270
<v Sam>one sentence what the hell it is.

01:35:03.870 --> 01:35:07.490
<v Sam>It's an alternative to social media where you can just keep in touch with your

01:35:07.490 --> 01:35:11.050
<v Sam>friends and, you know, back to what social media was supposed to be.

01:35:11.130 --> 01:35:12.690
<v Sam>You go in order. You take turns.

01:35:13.290 --> 01:35:16.070
<v Sam>For more, go to the site, robinletter.com. It'll tell you more.

01:35:17.510 --> 01:35:20.550
<v Sam>And Yvonne's made me a nice little presentation about it.

01:35:21.740 --> 01:35:26.720
<v Sam>It's fun. Anyway, that's it. We're out of here. Thank you for everybody.

01:35:27.140 --> 01:35:28.860
<v Sam>Stay safe. Have fun. Blah, blah, blah.

01:35:29.300 --> 01:35:32.940
<v Sam>I'm going to hop in the car in just a minute and head to that town hall for

01:35:32.940 --> 01:35:36.120
<v Sam>my wife. And her seatmate is also going to be there, I think.

01:35:36.160 --> 01:35:36.720
<v Ivan>Start hauling.

01:35:37.340 --> 01:35:38.140
<v Sam>Start hauling.

01:35:38.220 --> 01:35:38.420
<v Ivan>Start hauling.

01:35:38.580 --> 01:35:43.140
<v Sam>Yeah, like, sometimes at these things, I help bring all the food and set it all out.

01:35:43.380 --> 01:35:47.100
<v Sam>They've got other people helping with that, so I'm just doing this.

01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:49.240
<v Sam>I'm just showing up and listening.

01:35:49.460 --> 01:35:51.120
<v Ivan>You're just the eye candy, baby.

01:35:52.060 --> 01:35:59.140
<v Sam>I'm the eye candy I'm there for moral support I'm I'm there to listen but I

01:35:59.140 --> 01:36:04.320
<v Sam>don't have anything I have to do which is a plus like I mean I don't I don't

01:36:04.320 --> 01:36:07.040
<v Sam>mind helping out when I need to help out but I mean.

01:36:07.040 --> 01:36:08.920
<v Ivan>Well you don't have to do anything it's better.

01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:11.660
<v Sam>Exactly I can just uh I can just

01:36:11.660 --> 01:36:16.440
<v Sam>go and listen and you know as usual at these things like they're gonna be there

01:36:16.440 --> 01:36:20.780
<v Sam>are gonna be some people with with with night yeah they're gonna be some friendly

01:36:20.780 --> 01:36:24.300
<v Sam>people and they're gonna be some hostile people they're like you know why the

01:36:24.300 --> 01:36:28.800
<v Sam>hell are you doing xyz you're screwing us and blah blah blah and you know because

01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.040
<v Sam>there always are you know it's too.

01:36:31.040 --> 01:36:32.820
<v Ivan>Bad i can't be there to go tell them to go fuck.

01:36:32.820 --> 01:36:33.920
<v Sam>Themselves yeah fuck.

01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.740
<v Ivan>You you stupid asshole the fuck out of here.

01:36:36.740 --> 01:36:41.280
<v Sam>You know that's the nature of town halls you get people asking questions about

01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:45.140
<v Sam>their concerns and some Some people like what you're doing and some people don't

01:36:45.140 --> 01:36:48.280
<v Sam>like what you're doing and you have that dialogue and it's good.

01:36:48.280 --> 01:36:50.560
<v Sam>It's the way you keep in touch with what people care about.

01:36:50.780 --> 01:36:52.460
<v Ivan>As long as it's dialogue, it's good. Yeah.

01:36:52.820 --> 01:36:55.780
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, that's that. I'm heading out. Thanks, everybody.

01:36:55.900 --> 01:36:56.800
<v Sam>Here's the outro. Goodbye.

01:36:57.620 --> 01:36:58.020
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:32.240
<v Sam>Okay, that's it. I'm in. Stop. Later, Yvonne.

01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:35.020
<v Ivan>Stop. Stop. Stop!

