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<v Sam>There we go. Boom. Boom. Okay.

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<v Sam>Music. Live.

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<v Sam>Any preliminaries or can I just take go?

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<v Ivan>Go.

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<v Sam>Okay, here goes. Transcription by CastingWords

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday,

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<v Sam>February 14th, 2026.

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<v Sam>It is just after 18 UTC as we are starting to record. I am Sam Enter and Yvonne

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<v Sam>Bow is back this week. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Happy Valentine's Day, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Oh, happy Valentine's Day.

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<v Sam>Will you be my Valentine, Yvonne?

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<v Ivan>Sure. Why not?

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<v Sam>Ah so it's it's it's a week it's

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<v Sam>a week uh we'll do our usual sort of less

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<v Sam>newsy stuff up front and then newsy stuff as we go along i don't know yvonne

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<v Sam>well you know i i i am i i i i'm still discombobulated via various things i

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<v Sam>just woke up a few minutes ago as i often do when we record on saturdays you

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<v Sam>know so i i'm still like oh.

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<v Ivan>You you you have been you know we have been through a series of health issues and crises.

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<v Sam>Oh yeah over the last i had several months right i mean you.

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<v Ivan>Know my son had surgery i had surgery i mean what the fuck man.

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<v Sam>And and i and i'm not done i have

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<v Sam>one more surgery i it was just scheduled it's scheduled for march 9th which

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<v Sam>is later than i hoped it would be originally they had me scheduled for uh february

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<v Sam>23rd but then they couldn't get some piece of equipment they needed booked so

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<v Sam>they had to push me back so you know that doesn't.

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<v Ivan>Sound great when they need like specialized equipment to deal with you sam.

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<v Sam>It it was a laser they couldn't get the laser.

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<v Ivan>Exactly. They need a laser. I mean, you know, what the hell?

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<v Ivan>What are we getting this from? We're bringing this down from the ISS? What are we doing?

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<v Sam>No, I think they just had other patients booked to use the laser because apparently

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<v Sam>they don't have enough lasers.

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<v Ivan>When it's this specialized that the laser needs booking like a month,

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<v Ivan>you know, plus in advance. I mean, this isn't great.

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<v Sam>So, yeah. So I was excited when they said the 23rd. I'm like,

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<v Sam>that's pretty soon. I'll be done with this crap.

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<v Sam>You know, they'll, they'll take the stuff they put in my body back out again and I'll be done.

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<v Sam>Right. But then they called back and you're like, you know, I'm sorry.

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<v Sam>We can't actually do the 23rd.

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<v Sam>How about March 9th? And I'm like, crap, that's like, that's like so far in the future.

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<v Sam>I mean, it's not that far in the future.

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<v Ivan>But, you know. Well, it's a thing, like, we got, like, my son's,

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<v Ivan>like, when he broke his arm, and then, I mean, we got him to see a doctor.

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<v Ivan>It happened on a Friday night. I mean, we got him to see the specialist on Monday,

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<v Ivan>and we did the surgery on Wednesday.

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<v Ivan>So that was like, you know, yeah, we had boom, boom.

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<v Sam>Well, I am glad the doctor, by the way, the surgery I had this Monday could

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<v Sam>have been later because the doctor was about to go on vacation.

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<v Sam>And the first dates he was having for the first one were like after he got back.

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<v Sam>And then he managed to squeeze me in before he left. So I was like,

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<v Sam>that's good because, you know, I have further progressed and I'm in a better

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<v Sam>state than I was before Monday.

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<v Sam>And I will be in a yet better state again after the March 9th one.

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<v Sam>I just have to wait for the March 9th one.

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<v Sam>It's like they started to break up the kidney stone and stuff.

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<v Sam>They put in an extra drain and they used the laser the first time and apparently

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<v Sam>they got 90% of the stone.

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<v Sam>But they could not get that last 10% because of where it was located.

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<v Sam>They would have had to do something else in some different way, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>So they would have had to have me back in anyway because they put in an extra little...

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<v Sam>Like thing thing to like increase the drainage between my kidney and my bladder.

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<v Sam>I, whatever does some, I don't know. There's something inside me.

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<v Ivan>But like I said before, if we can figure out a way to harvest these stones,

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<v Ivan>apparently they're very, you know, difficult and we could use them for some kind of purpose.

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<v Ivan>We could sell these for something. I mean, imagine we could sell some of these,

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<v Ivan>you know, it's like a diamond or something, you know, and sell for a million

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<v Ivan>dollars or something, you know, and I'm all for harvesting Sam for stones.

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<v Ivan>I would like, I mean, we just start harvesting, you know, fuck everything else.

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<v Ivan>We'll just start harvesting Sam for stones. That's it. There you go.

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<v Sam>That'd be beautiful.

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<v Ivan>I'll start, I'll be the stone dealer here.

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<v Sam>Yeah, it really is too bad these aren't like diamonds or something.

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<v Ivan>Exactly. I mean, if we were like going in there and we're like,

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<v Ivan>you know, we're extracting diamonds out of Sam, I'm like, what the hell,

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<v Ivan>man? you know, or I don't know, some other rare metal or whatever,

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<v Ivan>you know, whatever or something.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. But you know, maybe we could use it to power your car or something. I don't know.

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<v Sam>Exactly.

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<v Ivan>Like some kind of like, you know, like nuclear fusion material,

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<v Ivan>you know, material could be used in nuclear fusion or something or fission for

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<v Ivan>that matter, whichever, there you go.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>Now, exactly like that.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So, so now like, yeah. So I, you know, so I still have like,

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<v Sam>I'm still on painkillers. I'm still on antibiotics. I have the prescription

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<v Sam>painkillers, but after the first day after surgery, I switched myself to over-the-counter.

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<v Sam>So I'm taking some ibuprofen, some Tylenol.

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<v Sam>I'm mixing them up to avoid... Because I could just take Tylenol or whatever, but I want to be careful.

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<v Sam>You're not supposed to take too much Tylenol. So I'm taking a little less Tylenol.

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<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, you're supposed to limit it to under 4,000 milligrams a day.

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<v Ivan>Really, the dose that gets you effed up is 10. But the reality is that,

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<v Ivan>look, you can mix e-ibuprofen.

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<v Sam>Right, so you can mix them, so I am. So I'm taking a little less Tylenol,

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<v Sam>a little more ibuprofen, and blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>And so I still have some aches and pains, you know, because I just had freaking surgery.

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<v Sam>God damn it. So, and of course, this was just to be fun and entertaining and graphic for our users.

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<v Sam>This is not the kind of procedure where they made an incision.

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<v Sam>This is the kind of procedure where they went in through an existing hole.

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<v Sam>If you're heading towards my bladder and kidney, you can imagine which hole they had to go through.

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<v Ivan>What? Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Yeah. I'm assuming it's in the front, not in the back. That would be quite a long route.

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<v Ivan>That would be quite a weird route to get to your blood, to get to your kidneys. But yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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<v Sam>So, you know.

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<v Ivan>They didn't go through your mouth. They didn't go through your ears or nose.

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<v Sam>That's right. You know, so.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>And there's a good reason why you are asleep when they do this.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>So.

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<v Ivan>Yes. I, you know, I, I, you know, look. I highly recommend anesthesia.

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<v Ivan>Look, there's nothing great. You know, I'm sorry, but I had my surgery,

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<v Ivan>and there's nothing better than, boom, I'm out.

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<v Ivan>And I wake up, I'm in recovery, and I felt all of a sudden I started feeling

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<v Ivan>pain. I said, nurse, painkillers.

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<v Ivan>Now, oh, we gave you something. No, not strong enough.

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<v Ivan>No. Whatever I want. No. Stronger. Ah, that feels better.

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<v Ivan>Okay, good. All right. Now I can sleep again. Thank you.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's fun for both of us.

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<v Sam>We've had a great few weeks, few months, whatever.

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<v Ivan>Well, the thing is that last week was.

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<v Sam>Well, last week you weren't. It wasn't a health issue. You had a birthday.

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<v Ivan>Well, it was like, yeah. And the thing is that my, my, okay.

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<v Ivan>My brother that lives in Texas that, uh, uh, came over for it. Okay.

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<v Ivan>It's funny, but, but, you know, he comes visit all the time. but there was,

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<v Ivan>There's a couple of times that he tried to come over for my birthday and something happened.

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<v Ivan>Like one time, like for my 40th, he was going to fly over.

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<v Ivan>There was a there was an ice storm in Texas that prevented him from being able

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<v Ivan>to fly in it. All his flights, everything got canceled.

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<v Ivan>He couldn't he couldn't leave. So that was like one thing. So you see,

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<v Ivan>like one thing or another always happened.

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<v Ivan>And so but he managed to come over this time. My oldest brother told me,

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<v Ivan>well, he was going to be out of town for business.

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<v Ivan>The thing is, my oldest brother sells industrial products, and his route is one that,

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<v Ivan>It's he goes, he has a work truck that, you know, from his company that he drives

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<v Ivan>to these places because in many cases is not that convenient to fly. OK.

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<v Ivan>And so he's covering, you know, places like Savannah, Georgia,

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<v Ivan>Athens, Georgia, you know, northern Florida, stuff like that,

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<v Ivan>which actually it's not even like that easy to fly into anyway,

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<v Ivan>which is why he's driving. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And he's driving, he's driving this truck right now. If I understood correctly,

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<v Ivan>he told me he's putting in like 50,000 miles a year on this truck. It's a company truck.

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<v Ivan>They pay for it. So, you know, but it's like crazy the amount of miles that

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<v Ivan>he's having to, to put in for, for this.

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<v Ivan>So he was going to be like in Savannah, like, and it's like,

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<v Ivan>well, I don't think I could make it down, but he actually went and figured out

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<v Ivan>because he heard that my other brother's coming in. He actually figured out a way.

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<v Ivan>And all of a sudden, as we're at the restaurant, we're at the,

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<v Ivan>we're at the bar area just waiting for a table, then all of a sudden he showed

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<v Ivan>up. And I was like, whoa, you're here.

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<v Ivan>Oh, good. So, so, so yeah. So, uh, so that was good. So we had a, we had a good time.

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<v Ivan>So yeah. So because everybody was here in town, I was like, you know,

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<v Ivan>take care of people. I didn't have time to record all of a sudden. So I was like, you know.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. I understand. Well, we had Ed, Ed was great. We did the thing, you know? So yeah.

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<v Ivan>And I don't know. Well, I, I, I, I don't know if you mentioned it last week,

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<v Ivan>but I'll mention it because I sent this note and I know that I haven't been

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<v Ivan>in the podcast in the past.

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<v Sam>Oh, I did not. I actually thought about it but saved it for when you were here

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<v Sam>if I'm thinking about the thing you're thinking.

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<v Ivan>The person that gave us the musical rights, the music that we have used on the

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<v Ivan>show since back in college, WRCT, so this is like longer than 30 years,

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<v Ivan>Ray Lynch, his family posted news that he passed away.

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<v Ivan>He passed away in December.

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<v Ivan>And I did not want to mention that, you know, his wife and him were very gracious

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<v Ivan>to give us, you know, we were worried that we had been using it without permission.

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<v Ivan>But we went and we reached out to them and said, hey, guys, you know,

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<v Ivan>we've been using the music and I don't know. And we're small.

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<v Sam>We're small. You know, we're not making money off this thing.

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<v Ivan>Money off of it. But, you know, we just wanted to make sure that we were using the music just in case.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I don't know. You know, sometimes this thing gets big or something or

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<v Ivan>whatever. We don't want to be impinging on their rights.

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<v Sam>Or even if it isn't, they could decide to be assholes, you know?

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<v Ivan>Which some people are, you know, that we're using music without rights.

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<v Ivan>But they gave us absolutely, you know, in writing, they put it down.

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<v Ivan>We had absolute permission to use the music in our show.

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<v Ivan>And we do promos regularly for them.

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<v Sam>In exchange, we do that break. And, you know, the first break we take this time, I will do that break.

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<v Sam>But yeah, it's and that was the deal. They said, just, hey, occasionally give us credit.

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<v Sam>So like, yeah, the show descriptions always have, you know, the Ray Lynch information

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<v Sam>and links to his website and all that kind of stuff. And we have that promo

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<v Sam>that runs every few weeks. It comes up in our rotation.

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<v Sam>And yeah, and that was the deal. And otherwise, they were they were very nice.

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<v Sam>And in fact, Ray Lynch's wife, immediately after we had that conversation,

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<v Sam>you know, start asking us for information because they were apparently they

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<v Sam>were apparently actually going after and suing some other podcast who used the

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<v Sam>music without permission.

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<v Sam>Oh, you don't remember this.

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<v Ivan>And oh, God, I forgot about that.

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<v Sam>Yeah, it was some major like podcast done by like one of the big like,

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<v Sam>you know, affiliated with a major news organization. I forget which one,

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<v Sam>whether it was NPR or something else, but they, and it was one of these big,

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<v Sam>like highly produced, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>And, you know, they had, they had used the music without permission and,

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<v Sam>you know, the, the lynches were trying to get them to cease and desist or whatever.

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<v Sam>And they were trying, they were trying to claim that like that completely impossible.

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<v Sam>We can't do that, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>And I'm like, look, it's one thing for like a live podcast or whatever.

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<v Sam>But like, if you have done a completely produced thing where you have assembled

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<v Sam>all the musics and clips, you've got like some, some software somewhere with

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<v Sam>the edited version of this,

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<v Sam>where I'm not saying it would be trivial or not a lot of work,

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<v Sam>but you could go in and re-edit and re-release those episodes if you had to

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<v Sam>with different music or, or just take out the music entirely.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>It might not be ideal, but is it possible? Yes.

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<v Sam>It's not, it's not like some, if you're doing a production, I mean,

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<v Sam>hell, even I, like I have all the raw tracks that I use to put these together,

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<v Sam>save from the beginning of when we started doing this show.

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<v Sam>Now there are, there was a time at the beginning where we just recorded,

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<v Sam>recorded live and whatever that was, it was, it was a single track.

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<v Sam>But for years and years and years, you know, we record all the individual tracks

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<v Sam>and I put them together and I, and the music gets added and it's all separate.

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<v Sam>And I like, you know, do some editing.

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<v Sam>At this point, I mainly do automated editing because I just don't have time

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<v Sam>for the human editing anymore, except for very small little bits and amounts.

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<v Sam>But like, you know, but I have all the originals.

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<v Sam>And I would be really unhappy about it, but if somebody came up and told me,

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<v Sam>there's a 2022 episode where you used a clip of something, you didn't have permission,

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<v Sam>you need to take that down.

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<v Sam>I could theoretically go back, find that episode, re-edit it,

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<v Sam>and republish that episode and leave it up.

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<v Sam>Or, of course, I could take it down. Right, right.

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<v Sam>And I would be unhappy. I wouldn't want to, but is it possible? Yes. Come on.

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<v Sam>Anyway, so we talked to them about that. And, you know, again,

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<v Sam>and we never talked to Ray himself.

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<v Sam>We talked to his wife, but she was very nice.

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<v Ivan>Well, Ray, you know, Ray, what they posted had been in some ill health for a bit.

00:15:47.660 --> 00:15:49.040
<v Sam>Their house had burned down.

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<v Ivan>Yes. And that was the other thing, that their house in one of the California

00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:58.000
<v Ivan>wildfires, I think it was in the Palisades fire, burnt down.

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<v Ivan>And not just that, you know, the house fire burned his original master recordings as well.

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<v Ivan>Which that was horrible.

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<v Sam>Speaking of being able to go back and re-edit things, you can't if the masters go away.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, their original masters were gone.

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<v Ivan>So that was sad. And so, you know, according to what their post,

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<v Ivan>he had been in ill health and he passed away in December and they did make a post.

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<v Ivan>But they had not published it until like January that that happened.

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<v Ivan>But I just wanted to make a recognition that, you know, because we did,

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<v Ivan>you know, I know Kathleen passed a note on to Ray that we were very thankful

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<v Ivan>for him to authorize us to use his music.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, we really appreciate it. And I just want to be,

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<v Ivan>you know, recognize how gracious they were with us and, you know, about it.

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<v Ivan>And it's passing, unfortunately, that happened in December. So, yeah.

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<v Ivan>He was, I mean, I don't know. Look, Ray Lynch's music is one that caught my

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<v Ivan>ear a long, long time ago.

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<v Ivan>And, I mean, I was in high school.

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<v Sam>I mean, we used this as a theme song for this show when we did it on the radio in the early 90s.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. And I remember that I think I heard the album from a friend of mine in

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<v Ivan>high school. And I went and I, I'm pretty sure I bought the CD and Tower Records in New York.

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<v Sam>Because we used this on the show. This was, I was not a music buying person up through college.

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<v Sam>This was like one of the first five CDs I ever bought, I believe.

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<v Sam>Because we were using it on the show.

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<v Ivan>And it's uh and it's um i mean

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<v Ivan>it's one of the he he is one of the first

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<v Ivan>like pioneers in like new age music

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<v Ivan>and the thing is that you know it's it's just one of those things

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<v Ivan>and by the way he's a guy that's really a

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<v Ivan>classical instrumental music musicalist he

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<v Ivan>really mentioned that he's not not really good with

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<v Ivan>tech and so but it sounds like

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<v Ivan>it may sound like it was digitally produced but it really isn't

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<v Ivan>but he was also one of the biggest

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<v Ivan>independent you know he didn't have a a

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<v Ivan>recording contract he was one of the most how

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<v Ivan>do i say successful like independent music publishers that that have been out

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<v Ivan>there and he published a few few records and they they were i mean they they

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<v Ivan>sold millions of copies so so it was you know this wasn't you know he isn't an He isn't an artist,

00:18:38.710 --> 00:18:42.190
<v Ivan>it's just some tiny artist that just had a few records.

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<v Ivan>He actually was very successful, but it was all on his own.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, so anyway, just want to recognize the fact that he,

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<v Ivan>that this happened and my eternal life take care of him very well.

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<v Ivan>Thank you, Ray. Thanks, Kathleen.

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<v Sam>Okay. So moving on, I guess. I am going to do movies.

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<v Sam>I have one additional thing I want to throw out there.

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<v Sam>As I've mentioned on the show before, I've been working on this Robin Letter thing.

00:19:12.570 --> 00:19:19.730
<v Sam>Basically, for over a year, lightly, but I didn't really get going until after

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<v Sam>I was laid off at the end of October.

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<v Sam>So basically, I've been working on it November, December, January, three and a half months.

00:19:29.750 --> 00:19:31.990
<v Sam>I'm going to jinx myself here.

00:19:32.390 --> 00:19:32.930
<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>But I think, I think.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>I should be able to be at the point where I can invite the first real test users later this weekend.

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<v Ivan>Whoa.

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<v Sam>Wow. Wow. Basically,

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<v Sam>what I have left is taking everything that I've done in a development environment

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<v Sam>and moving it to a real production environment and retesting things to make

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<v Sam>sure I didn't break anything in the process and then starting.

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<v Sam>I'm going to have it started out as basically, I'm going to start one of these

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<v Sam>with my mother's side of the family and one of these with my father's side of the family.

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<v Sam>Those are the first two I'm going to start.

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<v Sam>I'm going to see how they go for a few days to a week, and then I'm going to

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<v Sam>recruit for additional volunteers from other categories of people I know. I've got a list.

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<v Sam>Already of people who have explicitly said, hey, I want to be included in early tests.

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<v Sam>And so I will make sure all of them are included in the next round after that.

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<v Sam>And I'll do one for people who are active on the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack.

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<v Sam>I will start one with all of those folks.

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<v Sam>So if you're on there, consider yourself automatically included.

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<v Sam>If you've sent me thing saying you want to be included, you'll be included in that second round.

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<v Sam>But also the way I have the way I'm setting it up is like once I invite people

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<v Sam>for ones I create, they will in turn be able to make their own and invite more people.

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<v Sam>So we'll see if there's any organic growth based on that.

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<v Sam>But yeah, like all I have left is some some

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<v Sam>moving between environments and some final testing and blah blah blah which

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<v Sam>you know i i my intention at this point is to after we're done recording the

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<v Sam>podcast basically just move into my god i have to get this done you know i've

00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:40.460
<v Sam>only got a little bit spreading viruses and then we can start spreading viruses yeah so what.

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<v Ivan>Is that what we used to do with like a lot of people used to do with like forwarding

00:21:44.580 --> 00:21:48.980
<v Ivan>email you know they used to do all these email forwards like 20 20 plus years

00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:52.440
<v Ivan>ago of shit oh yeah look i found this cool thing or whatever and sending it

00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.680
<v Ivan>on to people and they were just like going and clicking on attachments like

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<v Ivan>spreading viruses on a regular basis.

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<v Sam>Yes yes so so anyway just for everybody out there we're not we're.

00:22:01.760 --> 00:22:03.500
<v Ivan>Not gonna is that we're bringing it back we're.

00:22:03.500 --> 00:22:07.180
<v Sam>Not bringing it back no no no no no no viruses anyway for anybody out there

00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:10.540
<v Sam>who is not already familiar who is not already expressed interest if they're

00:22:10.540 --> 00:22:12.820
<v Sam>interested robinletter.com,

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<v Sam>There's an email address at the bottom if you want to be sure to be included in my early tests.

00:22:18.910 --> 00:22:25.230
<v Sam>And the basic concept is an alternative to social media that's intentionally

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<v Sam>slower, intentionally longer.

00:22:28.550 --> 00:22:33.690
<v Sam>It's intended to not be sort of this thing where you're broadcasting to the

00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:39.270
<v Sam>world, but instead small groups of people that are explicitly defined that you

00:22:39.270 --> 00:22:40.470
<v Sam>want to keep in touch with.

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<v Sam>And you have to update

00:22:44.150 --> 00:22:48.630
<v Sam>when it's your turn. So it's not a free-for-all of everybody in the group can

00:22:48.630 --> 00:22:49.650
<v Sam>post whenever they want.

00:22:49.810 --> 00:22:55.030
<v Sam>You post when it's your turn. It ensures that everybody has an equal opportunity to contribute.

00:22:55.350 --> 00:22:59.630
<v Sam>It ensures that it's sort of like, it's not an everyday thing.

00:22:59.710 --> 00:23:04.210
<v Sam>It's not intended to be like, you know, the dopamine hit for your attention

00:23:04.210 --> 00:23:07.590
<v Sam>where you're, you're checking it five times a day, every day, whatever.

00:23:07.910 --> 00:23:11.450
<v Sam>It's like, Hey, you check in when there's an update and then you make an update

00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:13.470
<v Sam>when it's your turn to make an update, et cetera.

00:23:13.750 --> 00:23:19.810
<v Sam>So it's intentionally slower, which may hurt its virality, but you know, whatever we'll see.

00:23:19.990 --> 00:23:22.950
<v Sam>It's a, it's a concept I've been thinking about for more than a decade.

00:23:23.550 --> 00:23:30.950
<v Sam>And I finally built the damn thing. The initial version is only text, only text updates.

00:23:31.390 --> 00:23:37.550
<v Sam>But if, if, you know, the next up on the agenda after I launch these initial

00:23:37.550 --> 00:23:45.250
<v Sam>tests are, you know, everybody who gets invited will have a limited number of invites initially.

00:23:45.630 --> 00:23:50.210
<v Sam>I'm going to build a way to buy more invites. I'm going to add a premium tier

00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:52.510
<v Sam>that you can add images to your posts.

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<v Sam>I'm going to do things like being able to comment and react on posts,

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<v Sam>because right now you just make your own post when it's your turn,

00:23:59.490 --> 00:24:03.690
<v Sam>but I can see it being useful to be able to comment and react to a specific post.

00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:06.650
<v Sam>You know, that kind of thing i've got a whole bunch of things

00:24:06.650 --> 00:24:09.390
<v Sam>i want to further enhance it with it this is sort of

00:24:09.390 --> 00:24:12.410
<v Sam>the minimum viable product but if all

00:24:12.410 --> 00:24:15.890
<v Sam>goes well cross my fingers like i said i'm jinxing myself i'll try to move it

00:24:15.890 --> 00:24:19.430
<v Sam>to the new environment and absolutely everything will break or i'll accidentally

00:24:19.430 --> 00:24:24.770
<v Sam>delete everything at the moment i try to launch it instead of launching it but

00:24:24.770 --> 00:24:28.390
<v Sam>like if all goes well i'll have a test out this weekend if not within a few

00:24:28.390 --> 00:24:31.190
<v Sam>days because my intention is i'm not going to do other other.

00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Sam>Other shit other than get this podcast out until

00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.500
<v Sam>this is out as well so robinletter.com check

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<v Sam>it out if you want to be in the first few waves of tests

00:24:41.600 --> 00:24:45.000
<v Sam>and you're not already on one of my lists and

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:50.320
<v Sam>you're not an active curmudgeon's corner slack user then you know email the

00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:53.760
<v Sam>email there and i'll make sure you're included for the second round i'm going

00:24:53.760 --> 00:24:57.720
<v Sam>to make a post on facebook and say hey any any of my friends want to be in more

00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.940
<v Sam>rounds like i'm going to make one for like people who knew Sam in college,

00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:02.780
<v Sam>people who knew Sam in high school,

00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:05.740
<v Sam>people who knew Sam from Merrill Lynch, people who knew what,

00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:11.040
<v Sam>you know, I'm going to make lists like that, but only with volunteers who say they want to be invited.

00:25:11.300 --> 00:25:16.720
<v Sam>Of course, I have built the mechanism so that once, um, once you're in a Robin.

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:21.200
<v Sam>You know, you can invite more people to the Robin, which may be problematic

00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:22.840
<v Sam>in the future. We'll see.

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.480
<v Sam>I'll, I'll adjust things as needed anyway.

00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.180
<v Sam>So like, you know, I'll only invite people initially who've said they wanted

00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:34.100
<v Sam>to be invited, but then anybody else who's in there can invite whoever they

00:25:34.100 --> 00:25:35.500
<v Sam>want. So it could go crazy.

00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:41.760
<v Sam>Or it could immediately die because everybody thinks it's stupid and doesn't use it. So we'll see.

00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Sam>So anyway, uh, okay. Beyond that movies.

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<v Ivan>What movies do we got, Sam?

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<v Sam>First movie, another AFI movie from, and, uh, from the 1998 ranking, this was number seven.

00:26:00.840 --> 00:26:05.060
<v Sam>It is dropped to number 17 in 2007 ranking.

00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:10.060
<v Sam>And I noticed they have not issued any new rankings in nearly 20 years.

00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.620
<v Sam>They probably should. but you know whatever um.

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<v Ivan>I'm sure trump will order a new ranking that will be an interesting ranking

00:26:18.760 --> 00:26:22.840
<v Ivan>if trump is trump's favorite movies yeah well.

00:26:22.840 --> 00:26:28.100
<v Sam>They'll all be by that guy who made the melania movie and melania is probably number.

00:26:28.100 --> 00:26:33.620
<v Ivan>One no no no remember that he also gave sylvester stallone like uh uh uh some

00:26:33.620 --> 00:26:39.960
<v Ivan>kind of award so so it'll be a combination of like probably Sylvester Stallone,

00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:46.280
<v Ivan>Kevin Spacey You need You need an accused Sex offender At least in there They

00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:51.780
<v Ivan>all need You know Yeah I don't know Woody Allen Yes of course,

00:26:52.820 --> 00:26:57.320
<v Ivan>Yeah, it'll be like, oh, who's the guy in Europe, the guy that fled the country?

00:26:58.300 --> 00:27:03.500
<v Ivan>Rowan Polanski? What is it? God, I don't want to call. I don't want to. Wait, I don't want to.

00:27:03.740 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Sam>The under siege guy?

00:27:05.580 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Ivan>Oh, wait, Steven Seagal. Yes. Oh, my God. Of course.

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Ivan>No, no, I wasn't thinking of Steven. No, God. But yeah, it's I mean,

00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:15.620
<v Ivan>shit. I mean, that's got to be at the top of the list.

00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.280
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, yeah. No, the

00:27:18.280 --> 00:27:24.260
<v Ivan>guy that fled the country because he was convicted of rape or something.

00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.340
<v Sam>Oh, Roman, that R guy?

00:27:27.700 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Ivan>I think, well, the thing is, I don't want to disparage the wrong guy.

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:33.540
<v Sam>The wrong guy.

00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.600
<v Ivan>Yeah, so let me double check. I want to make sure, you know,

00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:43.740
<v Ivan>hold on before I call somebody a fugitive and criminal and things.

00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:44.560
<v Sam>Roman Polanski.

00:27:45.140 --> 00:27:49.120
<v Ivan>Yeah, it was Roman Polanski, okay. was arrested and charged with drugging or

00:27:49.120 --> 00:27:52.260
<v Ivan>raping a 13-year-old girl. So this is like, you know, right?

00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:57.380
<v Ivan>I mean, it seems like this would be up in the Trump movie collection. Yes.

00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:04.020
<v Sam>Of course. Okay. Anyway, the movie in question is The Graduate from 1967.

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.080
<v Ivan>I don't remember if I've seen it. I got to look this up. Hold on.

00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Ivan>Oh, I don't know. Did I see it? I think I did. But I got to look it up.

00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Sam>This is one where, by the way, famous movie, I had heard things about it,

00:28:22.340 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Sam>but I had definitely not seen the actual movie.

00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:33.760
<v Sam>I had heard, there's a famous phrase from it that has been sampled in songs

00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:40.320
<v Sam>that when the lady says, I am not trying to seduce you. Do you want me to seduce you?

00:28:41.300 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Sam>Right. Yeah, that has been sampled in a variety of songs. It's also famous,

00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:46.500
<v Sam>the whole thing about plastics.

00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.800
<v Sam>You need to invest in plastics.

00:28:51.860 --> 00:28:53.560
<v Ivan>You know what? I don't know.

00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.540
<v Sam>And of course, it's referenced like Mrs.

00:28:55.540 --> 00:28:59.280
<v Ivan>Robinson. I know about it, but I don't know if I've watched it. Right.

00:29:00.120 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Sam>The Mrs. Robinson song from Simon and Garfunkel was actually made for this movie.

00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:09.560
<v Sam>It was part of the soundtrack of this movie.

00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:17.120
<v Sam>Anyway, basic. I'll read the first two bits of the plot from the Wikipedia summary.

00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Sam>First couple paragraphs.

00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.040
<v Sam>After earning his bachelor's degree, Benjamin Braddock returns to his parents'

00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.420
<v Sam>home in Pasadena, California.

00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:28.180
<v Sam>During his graduation party, Mrs. Robinson, the wife of his father's law partner,

00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:29.860
<v Sam>asks him to drive her home.

00:29:30.300 --> 00:29:35.340
<v Sam>Once there, she tries to seduce him. He resists her advances, but later invites Mrs.

00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:39.460
<v Sam>Robinson to the Taft Hotel, where he registers under the surname Gladstone.

00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:42.900
<v Sam>Benjamin spends the summer idly floating in his parents'

00:29:43.040 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Sam>swimming pool and meeting mrs robinson at the hotel during one

00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.380
<v Sam>of their trysts mrs robinson reveals that she and

00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:52.320
<v Sam>her husband married after she accidentally became pregnant

00:29:52.320 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Sam>with their daughter elaine when benjamin jokingly suggests that he date elaine

00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:03.080
<v Sam>mrs robinson angrily forbids it benjamin's parents and mr robinson pester benjamin

00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:07.460
<v Sam>to ask elaine out he reluctantly takes her out but attempts to sabotage the

00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:11.080
<v Sam>date by ignoring her driving recklessly and taking her to a strip club.

00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:17.060
<v Sam>She flees in tears, but Benjamin chases after her, apologizes, and kisses her.

00:30:17.300 --> 00:30:22.180
<v Sam>They eat at a drive-in restaurant where they bond over their shared uncertainty about their plans.

00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Sam>After they visit the Taft Hotel for a late-night drink and the staff greet Benjamin as Mr.

00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:31.560
<v Sam>Gladstone, Elaine deduces that Benjamin is having an affair.

00:30:32.060 --> 00:30:35.840
<v Sam>Benjamin admits to having an affair with a married woman who he does not name,

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:41.780
<v Sam>because it's her mom. he tells Elaine the affair is over and asks to see her

00:30:41.780 --> 00:30:45.520
<v Sam>again dot dot dot it continues uh,

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<v Sam>It was a good movie. It's definitely, you know, it's a 1967 movie,

00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.100
<v Sam>but it kind of feels 1970-ish to me.

00:30:53.620 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Sam>But it, it, it is a good movie. I will give it a thumbs up.

00:30:58.100 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Sam>Is it number seven of all time? Eh, maybe not, but it was a good movie. It was enjoyable.

00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:08.020
<v Sam>And, and like I, again, like I had heard about the movie.

00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.760
<v Sam>I had known about parts of the movie. It's, if I didn't say it's Dustin Hoffman in the lead role.

00:31:13.340 --> 00:31:15.320
<v Sam>Um, and, it.

00:31:16.850 --> 00:31:23.030
<v Sam>Because I wasn't spoiled, I didn't know what was happening other than sort of...

00:31:23.030 --> 00:31:27.210
<v Sam>I mean, I knew it was about a guy having an affair with an older woman.

00:31:27.310 --> 00:31:29.290
<v Sam>But that's all I knew. That's all I knew.

00:31:29.810 --> 00:31:31.770
<v Sam>And it was good. It was good.

00:31:33.190 --> 00:31:36.910
<v Sam>1970s style, which I'm not always super into, even though it was 67.

00:31:37.830 --> 00:31:41.050
<v Sam>But I enjoyed the movie. Good movie. Thumbs up. Watch it.

00:31:41.270 --> 00:31:44.750
<v Sam>There you go. It's one of those things that's referred to in culture all the

00:31:44.750 --> 00:31:47.850
<v Sam>time. and like, I mean, maybe less so.

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:52.230
<v Sam>It's getting old now. I imagine like there are probably lots of younger folks

00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:54.490
<v Sam>who know absolutely nothing about this movie.

00:31:54.670 --> 00:31:59.910
<v Sam>And even I, at our age, knew that it existed, but, you know,

00:31:59.930 --> 00:32:03.670
<v Sam>had not seen it and was not aware of the details.

00:32:03.850 --> 00:32:06.750
<v Sam>But it was a good movie. There you go. That's all for that one.

00:32:07.070 --> 00:32:10.190
<v Sam>And I'll rush through one more. I think this one will be pretty quick.

00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:17.110
<v Sam>This is also from the AFI list. next one on the list, number six in 1998,

00:32:17.470 --> 00:32:19.770
<v Sam>dropped to number 10 in 2007.

00:32:20.670 --> 00:32:27.170
<v Sam>But this is the 1939 Wizard of Oz, the one that everybody knows.

00:32:28.330 --> 00:32:35.290
<v Sam>Everybody's seen, used to be on TV every year, I think around Thanksgiving, if I remember right.

00:32:36.050 --> 00:32:41.430
<v Sam>And, you know, it was, you know, I mean, I don't need to describe The Wizard of Oz.

00:32:42.350 --> 00:32:50.530
<v Sam>Everybody knows The Wizard of Oz, right? Like, certainly anyone listening to this podcast, right?

00:32:50.730 --> 00:32:52.690
<v Ivan>Yes, I'm pretty sure, yes.

00:32:53.210 --> 00:32:57.890
<v Sam>I'll give it a thumbs up. You know, it's one of those things where, you know,

00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:04.530
<v Sam>obviously I'd seen The Wizard of Oz before. I've, but yeah.

00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:07.010
<v Sam>I don't watch it regularly.

00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:14.030
<v Ivan>I haven't watched it in, I'm sure, like in 30 plus years.

00:33:14.450 --> 00:33:21.950
<v Sam>And by the way, just to be clear, we watched the original on our screen at home.

00:33:22.010 --> 00:33:26.970
<v Sam>We did not go and see the one in the sphere on Las Vegas where they have recreated

00:33:26.970 --> 00:33:29.610
<v Sam>it with AI. We have not seen that.

00:33:30.590 --> 00:33:33.690
<v Sam>Where they have actual flying monkeys in the theater.

00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:36.530
<v Ivan>This is black and white, right? did you or you watch colorized.

00:33:36.530 --> 00:33:41.390
<v Sam>Dude the wizard of oz is quite famous for its color.

00:33:41.970 --> 00:33:43.130
<v Ivan>Was it a color.

00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:43.910
<v Sam>Which one.

00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:44.750
<v Ivan>Is the one i'm.

00:33:44.750 --> 00:33:49.350
<v Sam>Confused the wizard of oz from that age the wizard of oz is quite famous because

00:33:49.350 --> 00:33:56.130
<v Sam>the first few minutes of it are are in sepia tone and then when she goes and.

00:33:56.130 --> 00:34:00.870
<v Ivan>It switches to color which i'm thinking from that era that was colorized that

00:34:00.870 --> 00:34:04.510
<v Ivan>was like very like controversial because it was colorized it was.

00:34:04.510 --> 00:34:08.350
<v Sam>Like they've colorized a whole bunch of things from that era and it's always

00:34:08.350 --> 00:34:12.570
<v Sam>controversial because it's like and not even that era but i mean there continued

00:34:12.570 --> 00:34:17.070
<v Sam>to be black and white movies released well after this because color was more

00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:21.710
<v Sam>expensive and some movies right it's didn't deserve it well.

00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:27.130
<v Ivan>You see i don't know if you forget it started in sepia then it turns into color right when they're.

00:34:27.130 --> 00:34:31.750
<v Sam>Right and there this And because of that, lots of people think like this was

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:34.610
<v Sam>the first color movie. It was not the first movie in color.

00:34:34.830 --> 00:34:41.450
<v Sam>But because of that transition, people like that transition was shocking to

00:34:41.450 --> 00:34:43.810
<v Sam>people because they come in, it looks like a black and white movie.

00:34:43.890 --> 00:34:47.890
<v Sam>It was sepia tone, not grayscale, but like, and then all of a sudden,

00:34:47.990 --> 00:34:49.670
<v Sam>kaboom, it's in Technicolor.

00:34:50.270 --> 00:34:55.090
<v Sam>And that transition was very famous. Now, and it's interesting,

00:34:55.230 --> 00:34:59.570
<v Sam>the mechanics of how they did that transition because Dorothy goes through that

00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:01.830
<v Sam>door and beyond the doors in color.

00:35:02.150 --> 00:35:08.150
<v Sam>And so they actually did a thing where Dorothy was before, they were actually

00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:11.150
<v Sam>recording in color, but everything was colored brown.

00:35:11.470 --> 00:35:17.070
<v Sam>So it was in sepia tone. Like the earlier scenes were actually recorded in sepia

00:35:17.070 --> 00:35:18.650
<v Sam>tone, but that particular transition,

00:35:18.810 --> 00:35:21.470
<v Sam>the beginning, you see Dorothy's back but it was

00:35:21.470 --> 00:35:25.150
<v Sam>a stand-in wearing a brown dress and

00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:27.890
<v Sam>then she opens the door and it sort of

00:35:27.890 --> 00:35:31.130
<v Sam>zooms in towards the thing and the Dorothy the real Dorothy

00:35:31.130 --> 00:35:36.890
<v Sam>yeah the real Dorothy Judy Garland in the blue famous blue dress comes in and

00:35:36.890 --> 00:35:40.770
<v Sam>goes through the door and so the you know so that the you know because of course

00:35:40.770 --> 00:35:46.290
<v Sam>this was you know special effects were all practical so this was done that way

00:35:46.290 --> 00:35:50.770
<v Sam>anyway Wizard of Oz deserves its place in the pantheon, I guess.

00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:54.470
<v Sam>There's some things that like every time I watch it, I'm like,

00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:59.170
<v Sam>I never remember that part because some parts of it are clunkier than others.

00:35:59.470 --> 00:36:04.630
<v Sam>But you know, the main parts are all famous and you know it and you know all

00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:08.150
<v Sam>the songs and you can sing along to them and you know, whatever.

00:36:08.650 --> 00:36:14.530
<v Sam>And you know, so, you know, The Wizard of Oz, what else can you say about it. So.

00:36:14.810 --> 00:36:16.330
<v Ivan>Thumbs up. Okay. Good.

00:36:16.630 --> 00:36:21.650
<v Sam>There you go. And now I guess we'll take our break and we'll do newsy stuff.

00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:26.230
<v Sam>And as promised, we're going to start with the Ray Lynch break.

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<v Sam>So thanks again to Ray Lynch and his family. We appreciate it. Here you go.

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<v Break>No no it's not the beginning of the show again we're just taking a little time

00:36:42.040 --> 00:36:46.160
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<v Break>of the show what you are listening to right now is the o of pleasure by ray

00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:54.820
<v Break>lynch We'll be right back.

00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.960
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00:37:26.260 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Break>the first independently released album ever to be certified gold by the RIAA.

00:37:32.740 --> 00:37:37.860
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<v Ivan>Well, I want to take the opportunity. I looked up our last emails that we had

00:38:39.020 --> 00:38:41.420
<v Ivan>traded with Kathleen at that time.

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:48.060
<v Ivan>There was a note that Ray Han wrote, because he wasn't very techie, but that he sent.

00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:49.940
<v Ivan>It was one of the last notes that he sent to us.

00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Ivan>And he said, Dear Ivan, an answer to your question, Kathleen and I are recovering pretty well.

00:38:55.060 --> 00:38:58.980
<v Ivan>This was after the fire, because I had inquired about that. We won't have a

00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:00.900
<v Ivan>home of our own for about a year and a half or so.

00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Ivan>We both appreciate your continued use of of

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.520
<v Ivan>the music and we do hope that your listeners find it

00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:09.420
<v Ivan>as attractive do find it to be as attractive

00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:12.300
<v Ivan>as you have by the way i can tell you that the music is

00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:16.340
<v Ivan>very dear to my heart as well and that i listen to it often as an artist after

00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:19.740
<v Ivan>all i have to get it right and i can't release composition to the public until

00:39:19.740 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Ivan>i know that it is beautiful i hope you and sam are doing well and i thank you

00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.460
<v Ivan>for your kind words kind words and your support my best regards ray lynch so

00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:31.580
<v Ivan>that was that was his note to us that was after a fire because,

00:39:32.180 --> 00:39:35.640
<v Ivan>as you mentioned they had they had they had reached out to us over that issue

00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Ivan>with they had with podcaster and you know we had inquired about the fire so

00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.260
<v Ivan>i'm saying yeah there we go all right okay so.

00:39:44.260 --> 00:39:46.260
<v Sam>Where do you want to start on other stuff as.

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:53.120
<v Ivan>Usual we have a list yes yes sam we are using lasers to shoot balloons the hell

00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Ivan>is going on did you see this Yes.

00:39:57.130 --> 00:40:00.370
<v Sam>Is it the same laser? Is that why I can't get my surgery?

00:40:01.210 --> 00:40:07.770
<v Ivan>That's it. Yes. That's what's going on. They're using it to shoot balloons.

00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:09.550
<v Sam>Yes.

00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:12.450
<v Ivan>Apparently, party balloons, Sam.

00:40:13.010 --> 00:40:17.030
<v Sam>So they closed the airspace for, where was it, El Paso or somewhere?

00:40:17.450 --> 00:40:22.410
<v Ivan>Yeah, sometime in the middle of the night. They send out a note of saying we've

00:40:22.410 --> 00:40:26.830
<v Ivan>closed the El Paso airspace for 10 days.

00:40:28.110 --> 00:40:28.970
<v Sam>Right, right.

00:40:29.410 --> 00:40:35.430
<v Ivan>And everybody's like, what the fuck? 10 days? The hell's going on?

00:40:35.810 --> 00:40:36.110
<v Sam>Right.

00:40:36.750 --> 00:40:42.210
<v Ivan>They don't, no explanation. All of a sudden, all flights canceled, whatever.

00:40:42.610 --> 00:40:46.730
<v Ivan>Then a few hours later, well, yeah, we didn't mean it.

00:40:47.090 --> 00:40:50.410
<v Ivan>Airspace opened again. and then everybody's like

00:40:50.410 --> 00:40:53.870
<v Ivan>what the hell is going on and then they said oh the

00:40:53.870 --> 00:40:57.510
<v Ivan>story changed like a whole bunch of times yes i

00:40:57.510 --> 00:41:00.210
<v Ivan>mean you know they said it

00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:06.050
<v Ivan>was drones then somebody said that they were testing yeah it's a weapons test

00:41:06.050 --> 00:41:14.970
<v Ivan>and then it seems that it was just some party balloons that were floating the

00:41:14.970 --> 00:41:18.010
<v Ivan>wrong way and they used some kind of, like,

00:41:18.830 --> 00:41:21.750
<v Ivan>new weapon that appeared to be a laser to shoot him down.

00:41:22.330 --> 00:41:24.350
<v Sam>Awesome? What the fuck?

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.020
<v Ivan>This is, the hell are we doing, man? The hell are we doing?

00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.120
<v Sam>They were attack party balloons from south of the border, Yvonne.

00:41:35.660 --> 00:41:41.020
<v Ivan>Oh, I see. So important. That's the kind of a, so that's the kind of stuff.

00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:50.660
<v Sam>You know, if the party balloon had said happy birthday instead of feliz navidad.

00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Ivan>Oh, then they wouldn't have shouted down.

00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:55.160
<v Sam>I know it's Christmas, but you know what I mean?

00:41:57.620 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Sam>I you know.

00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.160
<v Ivan>It's close to december it's close

00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:09.260
<v Ivan>yes i mean it could have been floating like since december yes exactly i mean

00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:17.580
<v Ivan>yeah and it got up there like you know and so yeah it's possible sure yeah you

00:42:17.580 --> 00:42:19.620
<v Ivan>know one of those things well.

00:42:19.620 --> 00:42:20.500
<v Sam>You you know,

00:42:21.620 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Sam>We did have, during the Biden administration, those Chinese spy balloon things.

00:42:27.120 --> 00:42:27.740
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.580
<v Sam>I guess they've just been miniaturized in some way.

00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:33.700
<v Ivan>To party balloons.

00:42:33.860 --> 00:42:37.220
<v Sam>To party balloons. And I don't know.

00:42:37.340 --> 00:42:43.680
<v Sam>Look, it just seems like this seems like another place where you had different

00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:51.500
<v Sam>agencies not talking to each other properly, staffed by people who are, I don't know.

00:42:51.620 --> 00:42:55.520
<v Sam>I don't know. Is this a scenario where all the career people who knew what they

00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:58.920
<v Sam>were doing are gone, and this is a bunch of, like, Trumpies?

00:43:00.620 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Ivan>I think that this is just one of those things that it always shows the kind

00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Ivan>of, like, incompetence.

00:43:08.540 --> 00:43:11.540
<v Sam>But is this normal incompetence that could have happened any time?

00:43:11.660 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Sam>Like, this could have happened?

00:43:12.460 --> 00:43:16.600
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. You see, the thing is that under disadministration,

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:23.340
<v Ivan>incompetence at ridiculous levels is, like, the norm of the day.

00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.620
<v Ivan>It's like there's this story about Christy Noem deciding that she fired a pilot,

00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:32.940
<v Ivan>because they didn't bring her blankie.

00:43:33.140 --> 00:43:36.460
<v Sam>Well, didn't Lewandowski fire the pilot on her behalf?

00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.780
<v Ivan>I, okay, I didn't see if it was Lewandowski or her.

00:43:40.780 --> 00:43:45.260
<v Sam>Because they're also having an affair and that's apparently semi-well-known.

00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:46.340
<v Sam>Which they keep denying.

00:43:46.680 --> 00:43:47.300
<v Ivan>But, you know.

00:43:47.300 --> 00:43:50.340
<v Sam>But everyone knows it's one of those things.

00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:56.560
<v Ivan>Yeah, but we fire a guy because a blankie didn't make it from one plane to the other.

00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Sam>Right.

00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.560
<v Ivan>And then they realize, oh, shit, we don't have another pilot.

00:44:02.060 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Ivan>I guess we need to hire you back.

00:44:04.580 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:13.060
<v Ivan>I mean, this is the kind of idiotic shit that these people do every day.

00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Sam>Right.

00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Ivan>Just. Hey, we, we, we, you know, we tear off the shit out of,

00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:23.700
<v Ivan>I don't know how many products.

00:44:24.680 --> 00:44:28.300
<v Ivan>And I'm like, you know, oh, this is no big deal.

00:44:29.620 --> 00:44:34.980
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden they're like undoing. They started like undoing. Oh, well, shit.

00:44:35.140 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Ivan>Coffee is through the roof. Maybe we shouldn't have tariffed coffee.

00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:42.640
<v Ivan>I guess we weren't bringing coffee production back to the U.S., Sam.

00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:49.180
<v Ivan>We're not going to... Sam, it's ridiculous, but we're not making coffee.

00:44:49.620 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Sam>I don't know why. We've had a few months. Why haven't...

00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.780
<v Ivan>The tradition has not ramped up. We have a longstanding tradition of,

00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Ivan>like, you know, up in West Virginia and the Appalachians where we get all these

00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:03.060
<v Ivan>coffee-growing regions that we have, as you're well aware.

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.400
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.220
<v Ivan>The famous Appalachian coffee. Right off the Appalachian Trail.

00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:13.960
<v Sam>Just to be clear, in theory, you could have agriculture for any plant on the

00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:18.200
<v Sam>planet, anywhere on the planet, with proper indoor agriculture.

00:45:18.500 --> 00:45:19.040
<v Ivan>Correct.

00:45:19.120 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Sam>Yeah, you could do climate control. You can bring in the necessary nutrients.

00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.080
<v Sam>You can do whatever, you know.

00:45:26.020 --> 00:45:32.080
<v Sam>So, they've had a year, Yvonne. Why couldn't they ramp this up?

00:45:33.060 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Ivan>I don't know, Sam. may have to do something with a thing called economics.

00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.740
<v Sam>Yvonne, we have once again missed our opportunity. At this point,

00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:48.500
<v Sam>we could have been the coffee kings of Nebraska or something.

00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:54.380
<v Ivan>This is the new thing that I'm doing.

00:45:54.660 --> 00:45:58.900
<v Ivan>We're going to become coffee kings. I didn't have this on my bingo card.

00:46:02.380 --> 00:46:03.500
<v Ivan>Okay uh.

00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:08.060
<v Sam>Uh any more on this or you want.

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:13.120
<v Ivan>You're officially talking about balloons yeah but but it's just you know it's

00:46:13.120 --> 00:46:20.080
<v Ivan>just the thing we fuck why are we it's like every you know,

00:46:21.580 --> 00:46:27.740
<v Ivan>we have a story like this popping up like just every week now every every other

00:46:27.740 --> 00:46:29.560
<v Ivan>day I mean it's just it's just of just,

00:46:30.540 --> 00:46:38.780
<v Ivan>sheer stupidity you know just just you know revealing itself on a regular basis right.

00:46:39.600 --> 00:46:42.540
<v Sam>Okay so should we alternate topics do like.

00:46:42.540 --> 00:46:47.820
<v Ivan>Lightning round style we can go what's the next topic what's the next big one you got okay.

00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:56.100
<v Sam>I I'm gonna do what this thing where I pick one where I'm actually like asking

00:46:56.100 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Sam>you and you get to talk of it.

00:46:58.280 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Ivan>Okay But.

00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:05.460
<v Sam>Let's hit the unbelievable economic data. What's going on with our economy, Yvonne?

00:47:06.060 --> 00:47:09.380
<v Ivan>Okay. Well, according to the government, Sam.

00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Sam>Yes.

00:47:10.560 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Ivan>The economy is doing great. Awesome. I don't know if you've seen the economic

00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.300
<v Ivan>reports, but a great inflation report, a great jobs report.

00:47:22.300 --> 00:47:30.340
<v Ivan>I mean, everything just, you know, they keep saying the economy is like, it's doing great.

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:38.720
<v Ivan>The problem is that every other private sector data report that comes out shows

00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:41.300
<v Ivan>quite the opposite. Okay.

00:47:42.080 --> 00:47:45.980
<v Ivan>You know, it's like, hey, the tariffs, you know, the countries are going to

00:47:45.980 --> 00:47:49.120
<v Ivan>pay the tariffs. One of the announcements that came out yesterday,

00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Ivan>a couple of companies announced where massive tariff bills that,

00:47:57.190 --> 00:48:05.290
<v Ivan>tanked profits for automakers and other companies that just got crushed.

00:48:05.630 --> 00:48:12.090
<v Ivan>You know, Ford had a billion-dollar extra tariff bill at the end of the year

00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:13.830
<v Ivan>that crushed their profits.

00:48:14.470 --> 00:48:23.850
<v Ivan>You know, housing sales, January had one of the worst drops in housing sales we've ever had.

00:48:27.170 --> 00:48:33.550
<v Ivan>The private sector job creation report by ADP completely contradicted what that showed.

00:48:33.670 --> 00:48:42.330
<v Ivan>But also, when the unemployment report got shown, they revised last year every

00:48:42.330 --> 00:48:44.790
<v Ivan>previous report that they had issued downward.

00:48:45.410 --> 00:48:46.370
<v Sam>All of them.

00:48:47.010 --> 00:48:47.230
<v Ivan>Okay?

00:48:48.490 --> 00:48:51.090
<v Sam>By a bunch, right? Not just like tiny.

00:48:51.330 --> 00:48:56.670
<v Ivan>By a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. by two-thirds. By two-thirds!

00:48:56.970 --> 00:49:00.030
<v Sam>Just a slight revision. It was off by like a couple percent.

00:49:00.650 --> 00:49:02.350
<v Ivan>Right. By two-thirds.

00:49:02.730 --> 00:49:02.890
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:49:03.530 --> 00:49:07.330
<v Ivan>Americans with higher income are starting to fall behind on payments.

00:49:07.610 --> 00:49:13.050
<v Ivan>Rising debt levels and more mispacements push the financial stress gauge to

00:49:13.050 --> 00:49:16.390
<v Ivan>its highest level ever. Ever!

00:49:16.930 --> 00:49:17.370
<v Sam>Right.

00:49:17.650 --> 00:49:22.750
<v Ivan>Okay? The U.S. cattle herd Okay, beef prices are soaring.

00:49:22.890 --> 00:49:28.250
<v Ivan>The U.S. cattle herd is down to the lowest level in 75 years.

00:49:29.990 --> 00:49:31.810
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just...

00:49:34.490 --> 00:49:42.690
<v Ivan>Every single point of data from private sector, companies repeatedly stating

00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:46.450
<v Ivan>how massive tariff hits, hits profits,

00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:53.070
<v Ivan>you know, billions and billions and billions that they've had to take.

00:49:53.070 --> 00:50:00.310
<v Ivan>Like, you know, but then on the flip side, they keep, you know,

00:50:00.450 --> 00:50:04.630
<v Ivan>posting these economic reports that seem incredulous.

00:50:04.810 --> 00:50:10.830
<v Ivan>They posted about inflation being down, you know, but there is no data.

00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:16.030
<v Ivan>I mean, when you see the issue with, like, beef, there's nothing to,

00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:21.990
<v Ivan>you know, that shows that any of this stuff is under control.

00:50:21.990 --> 00:50:25.190
<v Ivan>December retail sales were flat, for example.

00:50:25.710 --> 00:50:26.490
<v Sam>Year over year.

00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:33.810
<v Ivan>December, yes. You know, this is usually a very recessionary indicator, okay?

00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:41.910
<v Ivan>You know, you got flat sales. You got people announcing multibillion-dollar tariff bills.

00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:45.710
<v Ivan>You've got private employment data showing terrible stuff.

00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:50.030
<v Ivan>You've got financial indicators, you know, financial distress indicators.

00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:54.710
<v Ivan>It's like I said, a late payments and shit, and even including people that make,

00:50:54.750 --> 00:50:57.770
<v Ivan>you know, higher levels of income in distress.

00:50:58.250 --> 00:50:58.870
<v Sam>Mm hmm.

00:51:00.290 --> 00:51:05.590
<v Ivan>And but oh, yeah, we've had we had excellent hiring. No, no.

00:51:05.770 --> 00:51:10.350
<v Ivan>But but ADP says totally the opposite. So.

00:51:11.590 --> 00:51:17.070
<v Ivan>I mean, this is this was the concern that that, you know, we had like from before where.

00:51:19.210 --> 00:51:22.970
<v Ivan>They've made the government data not trustworthy.

00:51:23.330 --> 00:51:23.750
<v Sam>Right.

00:51:23.910 --> 00:51:24.190
<v Ivan>At this point.

00:51:24.190 --> 00:51:30.890
<v Sam>Well, and this aligns with, we've had more and more court rulings as well,

00:51:31.150 --> 00:51:37.850
<v Sam>basically saying we can't, like traditionally when folks go to court,

00:51:38.090 --> 00:51:40.670
<v Sam>the government gets sort of deference.

00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:46.490
<v Sam>Like we're going to assume good faith on the part of the government.

00:51:46.490 --> 00:51:52.250
<v Sam>And there have been increasing rulings from a variety of judges all over the

00:51:52.250 --> 00:51:54.570
<v Sam>country, appointed by a whole bunch of different presidents,

00:51:54.790 --> 00:51:55.730
<v Sam>including Trump himself,

00:51:56.370 --> 00:52:01.950
<v Sam>basically saying that the government has broken that track record and we can

00:52:01.950 --> 00:52:08.730
<v Sam>no longer assume the things the government says in filings are true without proof.

00:52:08.990 --> 00:52:09.690
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:09.690 --> 00:52:15.290
<v Sam>And and we can no longer trust them to do the things we tell them to without

00:52:15.290 --> 00:52:21.090
<v Sam>measures to compel it, you know, and exactly the same thing with the economic data here.

00:52:21.230 --> 00:52:27.770
<v Sam>And for that matter, not just economic data, you know, information coming out of CDC on health data.

00:52:27.910 --> 00:52:28.090
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:28.490 --> 00:52:36.150
<v Sam>Or out of wherever you just the you cannot. And lots of people say you could.

00:52:36.150 --> 00:52:43.470
<v Ivan>How could you not trust our health information, the stuff coming from our top health officials, Sam?

00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:46.870
<v Ivan>I mean, look, Health Secretary RFK Jr.

00:52:47.170 --> 00:52:52.150
<v Ivan>Bragged recently that he wasn't afraid of COVID germs because he used to store

00:52:52.150 --> 00:52:54.810
<v Ivan>cocaine off of toilet seats.

00:52:55.070 --> 00:52:55.310
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:52:56.670 --> 00:53:01.550
<v Ivan>And I thought, I swear to God, that somebody made that up.

00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:08.210
<v Ivan>I mean, honestly, when I first saw it posted, oh, come on, somebody made this up, right?

00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:09.130
<v Sam>Yes.

00:53:09.270 --> 00:53:09.730
<v Ivan>But no!

00:53:10.090 --> 00:53:15.210
<v Sam>And I'll tell you what, my guard was down because of that. You posted that video clip.

00:53:15.430 --> 00:53:21.110
<v Sam>And then someone posted an AI-generated version of RFK Jr.

00:53:21.570 --> 00:53:26.170
<v Sam>Pretending to be Jar Jar Binks talking about Epstein. And I was like,

00:53:26.290 --> 00:53:31.110
<v Sam>well, you know, he's, he talked about licking toilet seats. I guess this is real too.

00:53:33.030 --> 00:53:38.230
<v Sam>And I was fooled for, for like a few minutes and then it was taken down.

00:53:38.450 --> 00:53:46.070
<v Sam>But like, yeah, at this point it's like, what do you know?

00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:54.630
<v Ivan>I've done a lot of fucked up shit. Okay.

00:53:55.630 --> 00:54:00.550
<v Ivan>Seriously I mean I'm one that has done a lot of fucked up shit,

00:54:01.700 --> 00:54:09.340
<v Ivan>Damn it, RFK Jr. makes me look like just a saint compared to this shit.

00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.580
<v Sam>Well, yes. I mean, I remember when he was running for president.

00:54:15.580 --> 00:54:19.460
<v Sam>We had, like, new stories about his, like, craziness, like, every week.

00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Sam>I mean, the thing with the bear in Central Park.

00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.180
<v Ivan>But, Sam, I mean, holy shit.

00:54:24.180 --> 00:54:31.220
<v Sam>There was a whale head at some point. And we knew he had all kinds of drug problems.

00:54:31.220 --> 00:54:33.100
<v Ivan>Yeah, but come on, man!

00:54:34.540 --> 00:54:43.020
<v Sam>Yes. And women, of course. We had the nuzzy thing, and that was just one of many. You know.

00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:49.160
<v Sam>There was something weird with how he broke up with his ex-wife, too, I think.

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:55.240
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. I mean, actually, I'm afraid to hear it.

00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Sam>Okay?

00:54:58.060 --> 00:54:58.500
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:05.900
<v Ivan>Yeah, but these are the people issuing information and direction to our country right now.

00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:16.640
<v Sam>Right. And, you know, the systematic destruction of all of the actual professionals

00:55:16.640 --> 00:55:19.880
<v Sam>and experts throughout the entire administration.

00:55:21.160 --> 00:55:27.500
<v Ivan>Here's one thing. Can this be covered for? The answer is yes,

00:55:27.540 --> 00:55:30.660
<v Ivan>but it is damaging regardless, okay?

00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:39.800
<v Ivan>You know, look, Argentina for years, okay, had leaders that manipulated economic statistics.

00:55:41.640 --> 00:55:48.160
<v Ivan>I'm convinced they still do. For like, they started really manipulating them like 20 years ago.

00:55:49.450 --> 00:55:54.150
<v Ivan>You know, one of the things that Argentinians have shown me is that despite

00:55:54.150 --> 00:55:59.550
<v Ivan>all of this kind of shit, which they've lived through this kind of shit for

00:55:59.550 --> 00:56:02.350
<v Ivan>a long time, you can still survive.

00:56:04.790 --> 00:56:11.930
<v Ivan>It's not great, but you can still survive. But it's not great.

00:56:11.930 --> 00:56:19.270
<v Sam>Well, I mean, the thing with all of this is you get, there is a certain world

00:56:19.270 --> 00:56:24.990
<v Sam>you can live in if you have reliable, trustworthy information,

00:56:25.350 --> 00:56:27.270
<v Sam>a reliable, trustworthy government.

00:56:27.470 --> 00:56:32.310
<v Sam>You can be sure that contracts are enforced. You can be sure that laws are enforced.

00:56:32.350 --> 00:56:34.730
<v Ivan>Well, Sam, we don't have any of that shit right now.

00:56:34.930 --> 00:56:38.330
<v Sam>Exactly. And that world, actually,

00:56:38.470 --> 00:56:46.850
<v Sam>that regularity where you have the infrastructure in place so that there's a

00:56:46.850 --> 00:56:50.690
<v Sam>level set on expectations, there's a level set on truth,

00:56:50.930 --> 00:56:56.550
<v Sam>all of that kind of thing, enables a whole bunch of activity and potentially

00:56:56.550 --> 00:57:01.910
<v Sam>prosperity that when all of those things are taken away,

00:57:02.330 --> 00:57:04.590
<v Sam>it fundamentally puts...

00:57:04.590 --> 00:57:06.390
<v Ivan>It puts everything at risk.

00:57:06.550 --> 00:57:14.450
<v Sam>It puts society as a whole at a disadvantage. Now, the thing it does is it advantages

00:57:14.450 --> 00:57:17.330
<v Sam>those with inside information.

00:57:18.090 --> 00:57:20.290
<v Ivan>Wow. Which is the intent of... Really?

00:57:20.710 --> 00:57:21.150
<v Sam>You know?

00:57:21.350 --> 00:57:25.950
<v Ivan>Really? I mean, have you not known? I mean, it's like, that's one of the things

00:57:25.950 --> 00:57:26.990
<v Ivan>that we've been talking about.

00:57:26.990 --> 00:57:33.410
<v Ivan>How much insider trading, poly markets, weird bets, all of this shit is going

00:57:33.410 --> 00:57:37.050
<v Ivan>on right now. And it's actually the same thing as in Argentina, for example.

00:57:37.250 --> 00:57:40.910
<v Ivan>Look, one of the things that, for example, that was advantageous during all

00:57:40.910 --> 00:57:44.470
<v Ivan>this era manipulation, one of the things we were doing with the currency was

00:57:44.470 --> 00:57:49.630
<v Ivan>that if you had the right contacts, connections, or things set up, you could get...

00:57:50.380 --> 00:57:56.060
<v Ivan>Currency at preferred rates. You could get all these other things at preferred

00:57:56.060 --> 00:57:59.200
<v Ivan>rates and everybody else got the shaft.

00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:01.740
<v Ivan>Okay. You know, they couldn't.

00:58:02.420 --> 00:58:10.260
<v Ivan>You know, one example was of imports and exports because since they manipulated

00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Ivan>the currency, they limited your dollar buying and selling.

00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Ivan>And so when I was at my previous employer, because the company imported stuff

00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.100
<v Ivan>that was deemed necessary,

00:58:22.660 --> 00:58:29.640
<v Ivan>okay, we were able to go to the central bank and get currency in order to be

00:58:29.640 --> 00:58:33.240
<v Ivan>able to properly pay and import shit, okay?

00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:37.220
<v Ivan>But this distortion also created that the people that bought stuff from us,

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.180
<v Ivan>because we could get at the official rate.

00:58:39.180 --> 00:58:44.780
<v Ivan>I have people like banging down my door to just buy shit because the official

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:50.080
<v Ivan>rate was so much better than any other exchange rate that people were just we

00:58:50.080 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Ivan>just want to buy your shit and

00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:55.540
<v Ivan>I'm like but why do you want to buy this much? well because it's at the.

00:58:57.160 --> 00:59:00.040
<v Ivan>Preferred exchange rate then they could sell it

00:59:00.040 --> 00:59:02.700
<v Ivan>at the at what it's really worth which is a

00:59:02.700 --> 00:59:07.600
<v Ivan>ton more and they were like making tons

00:59:07.600 --> 00:59:13.420
<v Ivan>of money off of that and this is the kind of like thing that happens with with

00:59:13.420 --> 00:59:17.460
<v Ivan>these regimes and by the way and and by the way this applies to us in the terms

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:22.900
<v Ivan>of tariffs because like right now we have this fucking tariff regime right now

00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:24.960
<v Ivan>where if you're in the right side of the tariffs,

00:59:25.160 --> 00:59:27.580
<v Ivan>you're doing good. But if you're on the wrong side, you're fucked.

00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:34.300
<v Sam>And that all depends on your personal relationship with Donald Trump and his cronies.

00:59:34.600 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Ivan>Correct.

00:59:35.020 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Sam>And whether or not you're paying them off.

00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.820
<v Ivan>Right. And if you're getting exemptions or shit or whatever,

00:59:41.080 --> 00:59:42.100
<v Ivan>or you're getting fucked.

00:59:42.620 --> 00:59:45.640
<v Sam>Right. Which is why you have things like,

00:59:45.640 --> 00:59:48.780
<v Sam>you know tim cook giving that

00:59:48.780 --> 00:59:55.400
<v Sam>little trophy to donald orb the gold orb the the the shiny customized iphone

00:59:55.400 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Sam>whatever the hell you know yeah it is because of this because people know at

01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:08.680
<v Sam>this point that how that it is 100 personal it is 100 transactional play.

01:00:08.680 --> 01:00:12.100
<v Ivan>Man 100 you have to pay to play.

01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:16.860
<v Ivan>If you're not paying to play, you're not going to be, you know,

01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.140
<v Ivan>you're not going to be one of the people really making money.

01:00:21.720 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Sam>Which again, like that whole structure is 100% designed to benefit a certain

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.940
<v Sam>group of people who control those strings.

01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:40.680
<v Sam>But as a whole, if you're looking at the impact to the overall economy,

01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:46.340
<v Sam>to society as a whole, to whatever, it's a negative drag, you know?

01:00:46.620 --> 01:00:52.560
<v Sam>And, and so, yeah, I mean, there, there will be certain people making tons of

01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:55.660
<v Sam>money off this and everybody else gets fucked.

01:00:57.030 --> 01:01:00.710
<v Ivan>Basically, you know, so it's a new economy, Sam.

01:01:01.450 --> 01:01:05.170
<v Sam>Well, and the thing is also the,

01:01:05.910 --> 01:01:12.630
<v Sam>you know, there are many problems with this, but one of the big ones is let's

01:01:12.630 --> 01:01:17.350
<v Sam>say the quote unquote good guys take over everything.

01:01:17.910 --> 01:01:22.550
<v Sam>You know, come 2029 after the

01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:26.930
<v Sam>next elections, you can't just snap your fingers and undo all this shit.

01:01:27.590 --> 01:01:28.110
<v Ivan>No.

01:01:28.550 --> 01:01:31.430
<v Sam>Like, there is... I mean, you can undo some of it.

01:01:31.470 --> 01:01:37.490
<v Sam>You can undo some things, but there is a lot of stuff that has been broken that

01:01:37.490 --> 01:01:39.450
<v Sam>will take a long time to repair.

01:01:39.950 --> 01:01:42.670
<v Sam>Once you break trust, it doesn't come right back.

01:01:43.210 --> 01:01:47.690
<v Ivan>It's easier to destroy than it is to create. That is just a reality.

01:01:48.890 --> 01:01:53.830
<v Ivan>You know, this is just the nature of this.

01:01:54.050 --> 01:02:01.510
<v Ivan>You know, when you have... When you've created over decades ecosystems of checks,

01:02:01.850 --> 01:02:05.630
<v Ivan>balances, controls, and things, and trust.

01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:12.370
<v Sam>Trust is a big part of it. Regardless of what is technically on the books and

01:02:12.370 --> 01:02:16.130
<v Sam>what the laws are, if you have changed the culture,

01:02:16.710 --> 01:02:21.750
<v Sam>if you have moved from an area where people can generally assume good faith

01:02:21.750 --> 01:02:26.390
<v Sam>to one where everybody assumes everybody's out to screw everybody else,

01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:33.070
<v Sam>it takes a long time to rebuild the culture you just broke, if ever.

01:02:33.350 --> 01:02:40.270
<v Ivan>Look, one of the things, and why there are many foreign debt issuers,

01:02:40.430 --> 01:02:47.990
<v Ivan>historically, issued debt that was either resolved in U.S.

01:02:48.150 --> 01:02:49.710
<v Ivan>Courts or...

01:02:50.970 --> 01:02:54.270
<v Ivan>Uk courts okay historically and the

01:02:54.270 --> 01:02:57.470
<v Ivan>reason for that is trust in

01:02:57.470 --> 01:03:03.070
<v Ivan>the legal system because if you if you signed it and then you did it that it

01:03:03.070 --> 01:03:11.830
<v Ivan>was contracted in a country with a system of laws that you believe will be enforced

01:03:11.830 --> 01:03:15.650
<v Ivan>then it's more likely that somebody's going to loan you money Right. Okay.

01:03:16.290 --> 01:03:27.170
<v Ivan>And so now at this point still, I will say that one of the things that our courts have been.

01:03:27.910 --> 01:03:31.890
<v Ivan>Even if they aren't making in many cases decisions that we like,

01:03:32.150 --> 01:03:37.650
<v Ivan>what they have been is I think that they have shown more resilience than a lot

01:03:37.650 --> 01:03:41.270
<v Ivan>of the other institutions just because of the way that our courts are structured.

01:03:41.270 --> 01:03:45.050
<v Ivan>In terms of, for example, one of the things that we were concerned about,

01:03:45.370 --> 01:03:47.150
<v Ivan>you know, prosecuting enemies, right?

01:03:47.770 --> 01:03:52.710
<v Ivan>Most of the cases of this administration trying to prosecute people,

01:03:53.010 --> 01:03:58.590
<v Ivan>you know, for stupid shit, keep being turned away.

01:03:58.950 --> 01:04:03.610
<v Ivan>They don't get far, okay? The courts keep rejecting them,

01:04:03.850 --> 01:04:08.650
<v Ivan>like like when they were trying to prosecute Comey or Letitia James or,

01:04:08.810 --> 01:04:14.110
<v Ivan>you know, repeatedly, you know, when they were trying to prosecute like the

01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:16.050
<v Ivan>guy that threw that sandwich in D.C.

01:04:16.450 --> 01:04:22.810
<v Ivan>You know, it used to be that we said that a federal prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich.

01:04:23.130 --> 01:04:27.030
<v Ivan>And right now they have been in a situation where.

01:04:27.970 --> 01:04:33.710
<v Ivan>It's an unprecedented situation where they keep being turned away from indictments,

01:04:34.150 --> 01:04:38.150
<v Ivan>something that normally doesn't happen because they keep presenting indictments

01:04:38.150 --> 01:04:40.870
<v Ivan>that people look at them like, are you crazy?

01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:46.990
<v Ivan>No. They tried to indict the House members, the Democrat House members,

01:04:47.130 --> 01:04:52.510
<v Ivan>for example, because they said something, they made that statement about military

01:04:52.510 --> 01:04:55.530
<v Ivan>people disobeying illegal orders.

01:04:55.890 --> 01:04:59.530
<v Ivan>And they tried to indict them and they couldn't.

01:05:00.030 --> 01:05:04.630
<v Ivan>The grand jury, basically not one person voted to indict them.

01:05:04.630 --> 01:05:08.170
<v Sam>It was zero. It wasn't even like they couldn't get a majority. It was zero.

01:05:08.270 --> 01:05:13.590
<v Ivan>No, it was zero. And so that is one of the things that I will say that thankfully,

01:05:13.850 --> 01:05:19.530
<v Ivan>even at this moment, because of the way it's structured, they haven't been able to crack that.

01:05:19.870 --> 01:05:25.230
<v Sam>Well, and I'll add on that particular case also, they were trying to go after

01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:28.670
<v Sam>Mark Kelly's like military retirement benefits.

01:05:29.010 --> 01:05:29.490
<v Ivan>That also got.

01:05:29.610 --> 01:05:33.850
<v Sam>And the judge just slapped him down and said, this is obviously an infringement

01:05:33.850 --> 01:05:36.750
<v Sam>on First Amendment rights of veterans. And no.

01:05:37.930 --> 01:05:43.990
<v Ivan>Yeah. So so there is that like right now in which the courts still in many cases

01:05:43.990 --> 01:05:48.130
<v Ivan>are still, you know, standing in this.

01:05:48.270 --> 01:05:52.250
<v Ivan>I mean, listen, the main problem that we've got with this entire situation right

01:05:52.250 --> 01:05:54.550
<v Ivan>now is a completely spineless Congress.

01:05:54.970 --> 01:06:01.770
<v Ivan>OK, it this it isn't it's not that the the mechanisms aren't there.

01:06:02.130 --> 01:06:07.350
<v Ivan>It's that the people that supposedly have the mechanisms aren't using them.

01:06:07.350 --> 01:06:11.850
<v Ivan>Well, they're all like, in the large part, the Republicans are either,

01:06:12.030 --> 01:06:14.410
<v Ivan>they are complicit, many of them.

01:06:14.510 --> 01:06:18.070
<v Sam>Well, that's what I was going to say. I was going to quibble with the word spineless

01:06:18.070 --> 01:06:20.770
<v Sam>because a good deal of the Congress is actually supportive.

01:06:21.070 --> 01:06:24.570
<v Ivan>Yeah, they're complicit. They're either complicit or spineless,

01:06:24.670 --> 01:06:27.330
<v Ivan>depending on which ones you're looking at. Right. Right.

01:06:27.930 --> 01:06:31.890
<v Sam>So, yeah, I mean, and and and also listen.

01:06:32.050 --> 01:06:35.970
<v Ivan>But Sam, you know, that in the listen in the in the whispers,

01:06:35.970 --> 01:06:40.270
<v Ivan>a lot of these people go and say

01:06:40.270 --> 01:06:44.230
<v Ivan>that he is a lunatic, that he needs to be impeached, but they won't do it.

01:06:44.330 --> 01:06:48.550
<v Ivan>Well, and even a whole bunch of those that are that are that are going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:48.550 --> 01:06:52.590
<v Sam>Well, one of the things that I was going to bring up as a later topic,

01:06:52.750 --> 01:06:58.550
<v Sam>but we can just merge into, is we are seeing more splinters on the Republican side.

01:06:59.990 --> 01:07:06.430
<v Sam>Now, we've had various times where they've splintered before and then come back into the fold.

01:07:06.430 --> 01:07:11.830
<v Sam>So, as usual, I'm not anticipating any major actions until or unless we see it.

01:07:11.830 --> 01:07:20.830
<v Sam>But especially on this Epstein stuff, there are a half dozen Republicans, at least,

01:07:21.110 --> 01:07:28.490
<v Sam>who are clearly upset and unhappy with what the administration is doing.

01:07:28.490 --> 01:07:35.170
<v Sam>You have, you know, like Nancy Mace was ranting about what the administration

01:07:35.170 --> 01:07:40.770
<v Sam>was doing with the redactions and she was upset about them like spying on Jam Paul.

01:07:41.050 --> 01:07:45.570
<v Sam>Like those aren't exactly like allies. no

01:07:45.570 --> 01:07:48.530
<v Sam>you know but and what

01:07:48.530 --> 01:07:51.570
<v Sam>i mean is bondi when she was testifying in

01:07:51.570 --> 01:07:54.550
<v Sam>front of whichever committee it was about the epstein

01:07:54.550 --> 01:07:58.310
<v Sam>stuff had opened a binder that

01:07:58.310 --> 01:08:03.670
<v Sam>included a list of exactly what jay paul had looked at when she went to look

01:08:03.670 --> 01:08:07.230
<v Sam>at the epstein files that have been released to congresspeople to look at the

01:08:07.230 --> 01:08:14.070
<v Sam>unredacted versions and you know even even johnson was upset about that and

01:08:14.070 --> 01:08:15.250
<v Sam>said that should not be happening.

01:08:16.150 --> 01:08:19.030
<v Sam>I'll talk to whoever I need to talk to. That needs to be fixed.

01:08:19.410 --> 01:08:22.410
<v Ivan>Hey, Sam, how was Bondi's testimony in Congress?

01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:28.060
<v Sam>So it went really well, I gather. She came off looking great.

01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:30.060
<v Sam>Oh, for Bondi, of course.

01:08:30.820 --> 01:08:36.460
<v Sam>She did wonderfully. No, of course. Like, look, she had her little burn books.

01:08:37.040 --> 01:08:40.000
<v Sam>Where apparently she'd done this before, so they were ready for it.

01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:46.380
<v Sam>Basically, her strategy for every question was to ignore the question and instead

01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:51.660
<v Sam>look up oppo research she had in a little binder on the person asking her the questions.

01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:56.080
<v Sam>And instead, why are you asking me about this when you blah,

01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:59.640
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever oppo research she had on the person

01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.860
<v Sam>asking the question? For the Democrats, of course.

01:09:02.700 --> 01:09:06.940
<v Sam>And when asked about Epstein, she started yelling about like,

01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:10.380
<v Sam>But the Dow, the Dow hit $50,000.

01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:11.320
<v Ivan>Dollars.

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:17.280
<v Sam>Dollars. It hit $50,000. Why are you asking me about this stuff?

01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:24.080
<v Sam>She was asked to apologize to the Epstein victims for not redacting their names

01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:30.360
<v Sam>from the files that were released while simultaneously redacting all of the potential bad actors.

01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:37.620
<v Sam>Right. And she absolutely refused to do that. And so like, and yeah,

01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Sam>a lot of, a lot of Republican Congress people are pissed at her now too.

01:09:43.440 --> 01:09:46.240
<v Sam>So we'll see. And again, like,

01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Sam>and people just more generally on the theme of splinters on the Republican side,

01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:58.220
<v Sam>you see a lot of Republicans increasingly uncomfortable about the tariff issues because they're like,

01:09:58.320 --> 01:10:04.760
<v Sam>it's the economy stupid and we're coming into the election and our polls are all bad.

01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.120
<v Sam>It looks like we're going to get slaughtered in the House, and suddenly the

01:10:09.120 --> 01:10:14.220
<v Sam>Senate is competitive, and it didn't used to be, and meanwhile you're making

01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Sam>coffee prices high? What the fuck, dude?

01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:21.660
<v Sam>Fix this. You know, so there are a lot of Republicans getting upset.

01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.480
<v Sam>They're also, you know, it's just...

01:10:26.050 --> 01:10:29.890
<v Sam>Again, they've been upset before. Every once in a while.

01:10:30.070 --> 01:10:35.590
<v Sam>Going all the way back to the Access Hollywood tape in 2016,

01:10:35.590 --> 01:10:41.630
<v Sam>you get a flurry of Republicans being all like, oh, no, we have to dump him.

01:10:41.810 --> 01:10:43.830
<v Sam>Donald Trump's dead. He's over.

01:10:44.250 --> 01:10:47.770
<v Ivan>But those were big swings that then reverted.

01:10:48.210 --> 01:10:54.050
<v Ivan>Right now, it's more like a slow bleed. Yeah, it's more like a like a slow bleed

01:10:54.050 --> 01:10:58.590
<v Ivan>of people either leaving Congress, resigning Congress,

01:10:59.190 --> 01:11:04.710
<v Ivan>splintering and not going back to the mean and stopping being afraid of like

01:11:04.710 --> 01:11:07.550
<v Ivan>calling him out on certain stuff.

01:11:09.110 --> 01:11:15.210
<v Ivan>It's a slow bleed right now that that that he's enduring from from from those guys.

01:11:15.390 --> 01:11:18.030
<v Ivan>And look, the economic data is not going to get better, Sam.

01:11:19.070 --> 01:11:25.130
<v Ivan>Now, I will admit, and I said this because I finished my taxes this week,

01:11:25.150 --> 01:11:32.210
<v Ivan>that there probably will be a bump this quarter because of tax refunds, okay?

01:11:33.630 --> 01:11:40.390
<v Ivan>Because I mentioned, you know, on Slack that, look, I probably spent the last

01:11:40.390 --> 01:11:46.930
<v Ivan>20 years that I had to write a check, whether a big check or a small check.

01:11:46.930 --> 01:11:52.570
<v Sam>Well, because you specifically designed it that way, right? So that you're not loaning the IRS money.

01:11:53.070 --> 01:11:57.050
<v Ivan>Well, yes. Now, usually I try to design it that it was a small check.

01:11:57.290 --> 01:11:57.650
<v Sam>Right, right.

01:11:57.870 --> 01:12:04.370
<v Ivan>But, you know, so I try to like err on the side that I might owe a little bit

01:12:04.370 --> 01:12:08.170
<v Ivan>of money instead of me loaning the government money for free. Okay.

01:12:09.430 --> 01:12:15.210
<v Ivan>But look, with the tax law changes last year, I've had the biggest tax refund

01:12:15.210 --> 01:12:16.550
<v Ivan>I've ever gotten in my life.

01:12:17.700 --> 01:12:18.860
<v Ivan>Like, by a lot.

01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.480
<v Sam>He was complaining about it a lot on the Slack, so I told him he should just send it to me.

01:12:24.820 --> 01:12:26.440
<v Ivan>Yeah. No, I'm not sending it to you.

01:12:26.440 --> 01:12:30.320
<v Sam>I'll take care of it for you. I'll happily take that off your hands.

01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:35.980
<v Ivan>But my thing is that I'm expecting that a lot of people, because they did not

01:12:35.980 --> 01:12:40.580
<v Ivan>adjust withholdings last year according to the law, and so that a lot of people

01:12:40.580 --> 01:12:44.600
<v Ivan>are going to wind up getting very big tax refunds right now.

01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:48.460
<v Ivan>Now, of course, the thing is that, as I mentioned, with so many people in debt

01:12:48.460 --> 01:12:52.480
<v Ivan>distress right now, anyway, I don't know if that's going to make a big difference.

01:12:52.700 --> 01:12:55.640
<v Ivan>What, by the way, surprise, surprise, debt distress.

01:12:55.860 --> 01:13:01.840
<v Ivan>What do you think is the biggest issue right now in terms of people all of a

01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:05.820
<v Ivan>sudden defaulting on debt that they had not been on default before?

01:13:06.260 --> 01:13:08.140
<v Ivan>What do you think is the number one thing?

01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.220
<v Sam>The school loans.

01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:11.320
<v Ivan>Boom.

01:13:11.320 --> 01:13:14.740
<v Sam>Because the deferments and everything were all taken away.

01:13:15.120 --> 01:13:21.140
<v Ivan>Right. They, it is at a level, at the highest level, like almost,

01:13:22.500 --> 01:13:25.340
<v Ivan>I think ever it was in the chart, period. Okay.

01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:28.860
<v Ivan>That's where we're at right now with that. And then that's having a negative

01:13:28.860 --> 01:13:33.140
<v Ivan>impact on people's finances that, you know,

01:13:33.820 --> 01:13:35.540
<v Ivan>either you're paying them or you're

01:13:35.540 --> 01:13:41.920
<v Ivan>going to, you know, you're getting a negative impact because of this.

01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:47.540
<v Ivan>And, you know, this is something, this is another bond that the administration threw at people.

01:13:47.900 --> 01:13:53.560
<v Ivan>Okay. And this is an economic bomb that hits disproportionately people that make less money.

01:13:54.420 --> 01:13:54.560
<v Sam>Right.

01:13:56.220 --> 01:14:01.420
<v Ivan>So, you know, and it hits a lot of people with higher incomes as well,

01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:03.320
<v Ivan>which is that's one change.

01:14:03.460 --> 01:14:10.360
<v Ivan>Because if you think about it, say you studied a profession that was expensive,

01:14:10.360 --> 01:14:17.180
<v Ivan>that then you had gotten all these deferments in terms of not having to pay on those student loans.

01:14:17.180 --> 01:14:21.240
<v Ivan>But maybe you borrowed a couple of hundred thousand dollars for that for that profession.

01:14:21.460 --> 01:14:27.440
<v Ivan>But then, you know, all of a sudden, you know, you're you're you're screwed again.

01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Ivan>So it's the the the stress behavior is is really bad, you know,

01:14:34.660 --> 01:14:37.500
<v Ivan>because we have seen issues with auto loans.

01:14:37.780 --> 01:14:41.060
<v Ivan>OK, auto loan delinquencies have been soaring.

01:14:41.460 --> 01:14:46.160
<v Ivan>OK, credit card delinquencies are at their highest level since the Great Recession.

01:14:46.160 --> 01:14:49.180
<v Ivan>Okay auto loan delinquencies are

01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:52.960
<v Ivan>the highest level since the great recession as well student

01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:57.420
<v Ivan>loan ones are at the highest level even higher than before the great recession

01:14:57.420 --> 01:15:03.940
<v Ivan>okay and more and mortgage ones are also rising now they are not anywhere near

01:15:03.940 --> 01:15:07.660
<v Ivan>level of the great recession because that was like the biggest precipitator

01:15:07.660 --> 01:15:11.540
<v Ivan>but if you look at mortgage defaults they had gone from,

01:15:11.780 --> 01:15:16.260
<v Ivan>a share of loans that are at least 30 days of liquid mortgages, they went from about,

01:15:17.490 --> 01:15:26.010
<v Ivan>Like 1.5% to all of a sudden they're like closing in on 3.5%, 4%. That's a big bump.

01:15:26.390 --> 01:15:33.490
<v Ivan>Now, it's actually back to where it was the norm up until 2020.

01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:37.770
<v Ivan>So that would like rose. But the trend isn't great.

01:15:37.770 --> 01:15:51.510
<v Ivan>So look the Trumpian economics is a mother fucking disaster Sam okay this is

01:15:51.510 --> 01:15:55.210
<v Ivan>all these fucking people idiots.

01:15:56.490 --> 01:16:03.030
<v Ivan>Fucking idiots that voted for Trump because he's $50,000 yes.

01:16:03.030 --> 01:16:09.870
<v Sam>Like what are you saying the economy is horrible like all of these things are through the roof.

01:16:09.870 --> 01:16:12.910
<v Ivan>You know i i i was going

01:16:12.910 --> 01:16:15.870
<v Ivan>to try to pull for the podcast an analysis to

01:16:15.870 --> 01:16:18.970
<v Ivan>try to separate in terms of the stock market

01:16:18.970 --> 01:16:25.150
<v Ivan>performance where you've because because you've got a lot of a number of very

01:16:25.150 --> 01:16:33.250
<v Ivan>large profitable companies that dominate these indices and they're doing well

01:16:33.250 --> 01:16:37.250
<v Ivan>like we mentioned this whole thing about the economy where we've got winners.

01:16:37.610 --> 01:16:41.010
<v Ivan>We got this winners and losers decided by the government. And you've got what

01:16:41.010 --> 01:16:43.830
<v Ivan>a lot of people describe this K-shaped economy where people,

01:16:44.050 --> 01:16:46.830
<v Ivan>some people are doing great and the other people are getting fucked.

01:16:47.150 --> 01:16:51.190
<v Ivan>And the stock market is also exhibiting that behavior as well,

01:16:51.190 --> 01:16:56.030
<v Ivan>where you've got restaurant chains going under one after the other. Okay.

01:16:56.450 --> 01:17:00.130
<v Ivan>You've got Wendy shutting down 600 restaurants. Okay.

01:17:00.230 --> 01:17:04.310
<v Ivan>For example, like they just announced like this week you've got,

01:17:04.430 --> 01:17:08.650
<v Ivan>but, But on the flip side, you know, you got Apple that, you know.

01:17:10.450 --> 01:17:16.130
<v Ivan>Just had one of their biggest quarters ever. No, their biggest quarter ever, okay, on the other side.

01:17:17.230 --> 01:17:21.890
<v Ivan>And so that's the situation that you've got right now where you've got a lot

01:17:21.890 --> 01:17:24.030
<v Ivan>of sectors getting bubbled.

01:17:24.130 --> 01:17:29.830
<v Ivan>I mean, think about this thing about how housing historically has been a very

01:17:29.830 --> 01:17:33.210
<v Ivan>big economic motor, okay, in the United States, okay?

01:17:34.390 --> 01:17:37.810
<v Ivan>Home sales last month plunged, okay?

01:17:38.310 --> 01:17:41.150
<v Ivan>They plunged. and this is

01:17:41.150 --> 01:17:44.250
<v Ivan>already from a level that was already low and they

01:17:44.250 --> 01:17:48.210
<v Ivan>dropped even more i mean if home

01:17:48.210 --> 01:17:51.490
<v Ivan>sales are plunging it's because people can't

01:17:51.490 --> 01:17:54.550
<v Ivan>afford to buy houses sam because there

01:17:54.550 --> 01:17:57.310
<v Ivan>is and look people have talked

01:17:57.310 --> 01:18:04.190
<v Ivan>about there is a dearth of on the flip side there's a dearth of of houses people

01:18:04.190 --> 01:18:10.250
<v Ivan>affordable houses people are struggling to find homes but if you've got people

01:18:10.250 --> 01:18:16.470
<v Ivan>struggling to buy homes and sales are collapsing it's it's the it's the worst of both worlds right,

01:18:17.290 --> 01:18:21.730
<v Ivan>but according to the trump economic data it's the trump boom.

01:18:22.860 --> 01:18:28.080
<v Ivan>It was Peter Navarro came on the news the other day, and I think that the reason

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:33.000
<v Ivan>he was saying this was because of all the restatements of the old labor data,

01:18:33.160 --> 01:18:35.940
<v Ivan>where they had to cut down the previous reports.

01:18:36.040 --> 01:18:40.680
<v Ivan>Once they took out all the bullshit estimates,

01:18:40.940 --> 01:18:48.700
<v Ivan>because a lot of the more recent ones include estimates of certain things,

01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.100
<v Ivan>extrapolations, because you don't have the full data.

01:18:51.820 --> 01:18:57.380
<v Ivan>Peter Nomura went on TV and said some real, one of his usual lunatic lines.

01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.620
<v Ivan>This was a different one, a new one. Let me see if I find it over here because

01:19:01.620 --> 01:19:07.080
<v Ivan>I shared it on the Slack, where he said, it sounded kind of like Kellyanne Conway

01:19:07.080 --> 01:19:09.980
<v Ivan>talking about alternative facts, like about many years ago.

01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:15.680
<v Ivan>He said something along the lines of, you got to learn to look at this data

01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.700
<v Ivan>differently from the past.

01:19:19.580 --> 01:19:22.780
<v Ivan>And you're like, what? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:26.560
<v Ivan>You can't look at those labor numbers like they used to look at the labor numbers.

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.700
<v Ivan>You got to look at them and you got to think about them differently.

01:19:30.980 --> 01:19:39.340
<v Ivan>You know, because here, the revision to the labor numbers specifically, I pulled it up over here.

01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:43.580
<v Ivan>Prior year the slowdown that job

01:19:43.580 --> 01:19:46.800
<v Ivan>gains averaged only 15 000 a month

01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.740
<v Ivan>for last year but the original pace

01:19:49.740 --> 01:19:56.820
<v Ivan>reported was 49 000 a month think about that okay it is one of the slowest bases

01:19:56.820 --> 01:20:02.380
<v Ivan>of any job creation since the great recession and i and i think that the reason

01:20:02.380 --> 01:20:05.540
<v Ivan>why he was saying that you have to look at this data differently and here here's

01:20:05.540 --> 01:20:08.480
<v Ivan>a quote peter navarro the jobs report comes out tomorrow,

01:20:08.700 --> 01:20:13.300
<v Ivan>we have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly job

01:20:13.300 --> 01:20:14.800
<v Ivan>number should look like.

01:20:15.100 --> 01:20:16.540
<v Ivan>Wall Street has to adjust for

01:20:16.540 --> 01:20:20.260
<v Ivan>the fact that we're deporting millions of illegals out of the job market.

01:20:22.220 --> 01:20:28.340
<v Ivan>If you're, if we're, wait a minute, I thought they were mooches on,

01:20:28.580 --> 01:20:32.100
<v Ivan>on, you know, on welfare, Sam.

01:20:34.500 --> 01:20:41.640
<v Sam>Once again, yet another place that exposes that all of the excuses about that

01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:43.980
<v Sam>kind of stuff are bullshit and it's just flat out racism.

01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:47.300
<v Ivan>Correct. So.

01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:51.060
<v Ivan>It's a brave new world, Sam.

01:20:51.060 --> 01:20:52.480
<v Sam>It is it.

01:20:52.480 --> 01:20:54.640
<v Ivan>Is it is a brave new world.

01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.520
<v Sam>Okay somehow i'm sleeping better.

01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:03.760
<v Ivan>I don't know why i think i've gotten to a point where it's just like i just i i.

01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:09.400
<v Sam>Well it's look it's so negative yeah well it's the thing that you know at the

01:21:09.400 --> 01:21:12.800
<v Sam>very beginning when donald trump first won in 2016,

01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:17.480
<v Sam>people were like don't normalize don't normalize but it's natural for human

01:21:17.480 --> 01:21:20.200
<v Sam>beings to normalize You get used to the new normal.

01:21:20.540 --> 01:21:24.540
<v Sam>And then, like, the things that were outrageous before are like,

01:21:24.620 --> 01:21:26.440
<v Sam>well, that's just how it is.

01:21:26.440 --> 01:21:31.280
<v Ivan>But it's just in general. Like, I got to think, like, Londoners during the Blitz,

01:21:31.420 --> 01:21:33.880
<v Ivan>right? Okay? They were getting bombed every night, right?

01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:34.020
<v Sam>Right.

01:21:34.020 --> 01:21:36.300
<v Ivan>I could hear them. I'm sure the bombs were listening every night.

01:21:36.460 --> 01:21:39.720
<v Ivan>I'm sure at some point, at first they couldn't sleep. But I'm sure at some point

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:41.600
<v Ivan>they started sleeping through the fucking bombs.

01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:42.940
<v Sam>Because you have no choice.

01:21:43.340 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Ivan>You got no choice! Yeah.

01:21:45.740 --> 01:21:52.720
<v Sam>I mean, the humans are naturally resilient. You know, they will figure out how

01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:55.380
<v Sam>to deal with whatever situation they're in.

01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:03.460
<v Sam>That's not to say the way they deal with it may not have all kinds of negative effects over time.

01:22:03.740 --> 01:22:09.880
<v Sam>Like there's all kinds of trauma, you know, like you, you can argue that entire

01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.840
<v Sam>generations and how they interacted with the world were.

01:22:15.470 --> 01:22:21.750
<v Sam>After the Great Depression, after World War II, hell, after what we are going through right now,

01:22:22.270 --> 01:22:28.890
<v Sam>entire generations' ways of interacting with the world will be different and

01:22:28.890 --> 01:22:34.530
<v Sam>not necessarily different in a positive way because of the trauma that they've gone through.

01:22:35.450 --> 01:22:39.530
<v Sam>You know, you survive the trauma. You figure out how to deal with the trauma.

01:22:39.810 --> 01:22:44.210
<v Sam>You go on with life, even through the worst of circumstances.

01:22:44.770 --> 01:22:50.730
<v Sam>But that trauma impacts everything for the rest of your life.

01:22:50.890 --> 01:22:54.990
<v Sam>And trauma usually does not impact people in a positive way.

01:22:56.490 --> 01:23:02.610
<v Sam>No it doesn't with that excitement uh let's take a break we will be back and

01:23:02.610 --> 01:23:06.110
<v Sam>uh talk about a few other things i have an idea for the next thing and i'm gonna

01:23:06.110 --> 01:23:10.710
<v Sam>change the direction slightly but here we go change the direction slightly slightly

01:23:10.710 --> 01:23:14.590
<v Sam>you know whatever here's a break.

01:23:16.010 --> 01:23:18.670
<v Break>Okie dokie here it comes,

01:23:24.530 --> 01:23:27.890
<v Break>It was just my internet being stupid.

01:23:28.290 --> 01:23:33.370
<v Break>My internet being stupid is a new song we will make.

01:23:33.370 --> 01:23:43.530
<v Break>Do you believe in the blue the blue the blue the blue the blue the blue the blue the the,

01:24:00.670 --> 01:24:05.190
<v Break>Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on,

01:24:05.190 --> 01:24:07.630
<v Break>come on, come on, come on. Come on, I'm tired.

01:24:08.190 --> 01:24:11.430
<v Break>What's wrong? I'm really tired.

01:24:11.850 --> 01:24:16.550
<v Break>You, you, you, it's, it's amazing. To get the show on the road. There's a road?

01:24:17.110 --> 01:24:20.410
<v Break>There's a road? Oh my God, there's a road.

01:24:21.250 --> 01:24:24.990
<v Sam>Okay, we are back. And so the first thing for my next thing,

01:24:25.110 --> 01:24:29.390
<v Sam>rather than pick another serious newsy thing, I actually, I should have included

01:24:29.390 --> 01:24:31.470
<v Sam>this during our media segment.

01:24:31.470 --> 01:24:37.790
<v Sam>It is not, you know, usually I only talk about, like, movies that I've watched

01:24:37.790 --> 01:24:40.990
<v Sam>or TV shows where I've watched the entire damn thing.

01:24:41.470 --> 01:24:47.750
<v Sam>But I think based on an episode Alex and I watched last night,

01:24:47.750 --> 01:24:51.810
<v Sam>it is time for another update on this show.

01:24:53.950 --> 01:24:54.710
<v Break>Oh!

01:24:55.370 --> 01:25:05.370
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. We are watching Law & Order, and last night, Alex and I finished season six. Okay?

01:25:06.510 --> 01:25:11.570
<v Sam>Now, the one thing I'll say is, we were on the last episode of season six,

01:25:11.690 --> 01:25:18.410
<v Sam>episode 23 of season six, and, like, we were just a few minutes into the episode, and I was like,

01:25:19.030 --> 01:25:21.830
<v Sam>holy shit, this is...

01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:30.840
<v Sam>This is different and noticeably better than almost all Law & Order episodes

01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:32.420
<v Sam>that I've watched before.

01:25:33.740 --> 01:25:38.520
<v Sam>And so I paused the show and I'm like, am I crazy?

01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:44.660
<v Sam>I looked this up. There's a website called seriesgraph.com where you can put

01:25:44.660 --> 01:25:45.840
<v Sam>in your show of your choice.

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:52.220
<v Sam>And it shows you a chart of the individual episode ratings from,

01:25:52.240 --> 01:25:56.060
<v Sam>I don't know, IMDB or one of these others.

01:25:56.060 --> 01:25:58.340
<v Ivan>I'm assuming this is after McCoy joined the cast.

01:25:59.240 --> 01:26:01.580
<v Sam>McCoy is already in the cast at this point.

01:26:01.620 --> 01:26:03.220
<v Ivan>Sam Waters, right. Yeah, but this is like, yeah.

01:26:03.620 --> 01:26:07.000
<v Sam>Yeah, he's in it at this point. But sure enough,

01:26:07.620 --> 01:26:11.120
<v Sam>and I stopped it after like five minutes into the episode,

01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:14.260
<v Sam>maybe 10 at the most, to check this because I'm like,

01:26:14.260 --> 01:26:17.000
<v Sam>holy shit what is going on with this episode this is

01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.800
<v Sam>like it's like on a

01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:22.920
<v Sam>whole different level than law and order usually is

01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.620
<v Sam>and sure enough out of we are

01:26:25.620 --> 01:26:31.300
<v Sam>now in the midst of season 25 of law and order is airing right now okay okay

01:26:31.300 --> 01:26:39.640
<v Sam>yeah this episode season six episode 23 is the single highest rated episode

01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:44.120
<v Sam>of all 25 seasons so far the one that i watched last night,

01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:47.820
<v Sam>it break and you will probably remember it

01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:51.340
<v Sam>because i know you're a law and order fan when i described the episode this

01:26:51.340 --> 01:26:55.320
<v Sam>is the episode where at the very beginning most

01:26:55.320 --> 01:27:01.120
<v Sam>of the cast witnesses the execution of somebody that they had arrested oh of

01:27:01.120 --> 01:27:09.240
<v Sam>course and so instead of the usual you have the law half and then the order

01:27:09.240 --> 01:27:14.160
<v Sam>half and they you know they go through solving the crime and then and then go

01:27:14.160 --> 01:27:15.240
<v Sam>to court and blah, blah, blah.

01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.760
<v Sam>Instead, the whole damn episode.

01:27:19.690 --> 01:27:21.170
<v Ivan>Is about the aftermath.

01:27:21.630 --> 01:27:23.470
<v Sam>That's the name of the episode.

01:27:24.390 --> 01:27:25.910
<v Ivan>Aftershock. It's Aftershock.

01:27:26.270 --> 01:27:31.330
<v Sam>Aftershock. But it's the aftermath and it's all of the characters and how they

01:27:31.330 --> 01:27:35.090
<v Sam>deal with having that experience.

01:27:36.210 --> 01:27:36.390
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:27:37.970 --> 01:27:39.910
<v Sam>Extremely powerful episode.

01:27:40.350 --> 01:27:42.150
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:27:44.210 --> 01:27:52.390
<v Ivan>Everybody dealt with it so different. And it's, I mean, it really captured how human nature is.

01:27:53.210 --> 01:27:58.310
<v Sam>Yeah. And it completely broke the format that the show usually does because

01:27:58.310 --> 01:28:01.530
<v Sam>it was all about the personal lives of all the people involved.

01:28:02.050 --> 01:28:04.450
<v Sam>But it was, it was done very well.

01:28:05.090 --> 01:28:10.170
<v Sam>And of course, and I'm not going to give a spoiler, but it ended dramatically as well.

01:28:10.330 --> 01:28:14.030
<v Ivan>It ended all, yeah. Not end well.

01:28:14.890 --> 01:28:21.790
<v Sam>Anyway, looking at all these ratings, these rate episodes from 0 to 10 or whatever,

01:28:22.010 --> 01:28:27.770
<v Sam>this is the only episode of Law & Order in all 25 seasons rated over a 9.

01:28:28.330 --> 01:28:30.690
<v Sam>It is rated a 9.1.

01:28:31.370 --> 01:28:37.950
<v Sam>I also noticed looking at the graph sort of how consistent Law & Order is in quality.

01:28:38.090 --> 01:28:44.270
<v Sam>You look at other shows and it's all over the place. There's some good episodes.

01:28:44.450 --> 01:28:46.450
<v Sam>There's some bad episodes. It's all over the place.

01:28:47.030 --> 01:28:52.470
<v Sam>Law and Order, like almost every, like if you, if you look at this chart,

01:28:52.930 --> 01:28:57.170
<v Sam>there's seven, seven point something all over the place.

01:28:57.350 --> 01:29:00.950
<v Sam>There, there's some eights there, there, there, there's some episodes in eights

01:29:00.950 --> 01:29:09.890
<v Sam>and apparently season 21 kind of sucked. It had the lowest ratings by far, mostly in the sixes.

01:29:10.090 --> 01:29:18.250
<v Sam>But overwhelmingly sevens with maybe 20-30% being eights.

01:29:18.410 --> 01:29:22.970
<v Sam>And just remarkably consistent as well through the entire run.

01:29:24.370 --> 01:29:29.730
<v Sam>Apparently, the season I just finished, season six, and the season following

01:29:29.730 --> 01:29:34.970
<v Sam>it, season seven, are the highest rated seasons in terms of average episode

01:29:34.970 --> 01:29:36.410
<v Sam>ratings of the entire run.

01:29:36.630 --> 01:29:40.810
<v Sam>So apparently I'm at peak Law and Order right now in season six and seven.

01:29:41.970 --> 01:29:49.790
<v Sam>And anyway, I just like, there are a handful of TV episodes in various places

01:29:49.790 --> 01:29:54.590
<v Sam>where you are just immediately shocked by the episodes.

01:29:55.540 --> 01:30:02.740
<v Sam>This was one of them. Like, I added it to the list to talk about as an individual episode.

01:30:02.860 --> 01:30:08.900
<v Sam>And I don't usually do that because it was just like, whoa, what the fuck did I just watch?

01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:14.620
<v Sam>You know? And so, I just figured I'd call that out.

01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:19.540
<v Sam>And I'll note that, like, you know, Law & Order, very consistent in the sevens.

01:30:19.620 --> 01:30:22.440
<v Sam>You know exactly what you're coming in to expect. I'm comparing.

01:30:22.660 --> 01:30:26.140
<v Sam>There's another show that Alex and I are watching right now.

01:30:26.280 --> 01:30:29.280
<v Sam>We're actually about to finish the series called The Closer.

01:30:30.060 --> 01:30:31.840
<v Sam>It's also very consistent, but

01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.840
<v Sam>consistent in the eights instead of consistent in the sevens. So, okay.

01:30:36.380 --> 01:30:41.140
<v Sam>It's a different kind of show than Law & Order, a little bit more to it.

01:30:41.200 --> 01:30:43.440
<v Sam>So I get that, but nice and consistent.

01:30:43.660 --> 01:30:48.440
<v Sam>But like, again, like the consistency is actually valuable.

01:30:48.740 --> 01:30:53.500
<v Sam>Like for, you know, you know, again, you know exactly if you turn on an episode

01:30:53.500 --> 01:30:57.020
<v Sam>of Law & Order, you know what you're going to get.

01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:01.240
<v Sam>It's a very consistent level of quality, and you can say, okay,

01:31:01.580 --> 01:31:06.020
<v Sam>maybe that gets a little bit repetitive, but they managed to make it so that

01:31:06.020 --> 01:31:07.740
<v Sam>there's enough different to do it.

01:31:08.240 --> 01:31:11.880
<v Sam>We'll see when we get to some of these later series that have lower ratings.

01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:14.460
<v Sam>I wonder what they fucked up in season 21.

01:31:15.140 --> 01:31:18.440
<v Ivan>Well, season 21 was the return.

01:31:18.740 --> 01:31:20.700
<v Sam>No, season 22 was the return, wasn't it?

01:31:21.260 --> 01:31:22.220
<v Ivan>No, I think it's season 21.

01:31:22.220 --> 01:31:24.620
<v Sam>Wasn't season 21 the last season of the old version?

01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:29.920
<v Ivan>Hang on, hang on, hang on. Looking at our... No, it's the return season. Yeah.

01:31:30.200 --> 01:31:30.440
<v Sam>Okay.

01:31:30.780 --> 01:31:33.620
<v Ivan>And it was kind of... It was a little...

01:31:33.620 --> 01:31:35.200
<v Sam>Shaky. Okay. Yeah.

01:31:36.820 --> 01:31:39.520
<v Sam>It looks like they got their feet again in season 22.

01:31:39.700 --> 01:31:41.460
<v Ivan>Yes. They started getting their feet

01:31:41.460 --> 01:31:47.680
<v Ivan>back again after that. But that first comeback was a little bit shaky.

01:31:48.080 --> 01:31:51.700
<v Ivan>I think it's just too much time off. They started getting their feet back again

01:31:51.700 --> 01:31:54.720
<v Ivan>after that. But yeah, that was a little bit eh.

01:31:55.740 --> 01:31:57.620
<v Ivan>And it was short as well.

01:31:58.860 --> 01:32:04.640
<v Ivan>They only did 10 episodes. They went back. I know it's really hard like in this

01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:07.380
<v Ivan>in this era where to get like full.

01:32:08.360 --> 01:32:14.640
<v Ivan>Well, most, you know, companies only order 10 10 shows of a season.

01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:18.920
<v Ivan>But but but, you know, I mean, these new season, like I'm looking at season

01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:24.320
<v Ivan>24 or low on orders back to like a full like 22 episode season.

01:32:24.460 --> 01:32:29.220
<v Sam>And I've heard like people talking about like the need for TV to get back to this.

01:32:29.220 --> 01:32:36.500
<v Sam>Like, rather than having, like, 10 super expensive, super involved,

01:32:37.120 --> 01:32:43.060
<v Sam>high-end episodes as, like, a prestige drama or whatever, just start cranking the fuckers out again.

01:32:43.740 --> 01:32:50.000
<v Ivan>No, and then way too many of these shows have gaps that are way too long between seasons.

01:32:50.060 --> 01:32:53.980
<v Sam>They do 10 episodes. That too, but also people have pointed out,

01:32:54.100 --> 01:32:58.240
<v Sam>like, you need to give the shows time to breathe as well. You need some of the

01:32:58.240 --> 01:33:02.020
<v Sam>episodes that let you explore things.

01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:08.920
<v Sam>If you're crunching it down to 10, it's basically a miniseries or a super long

01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:13.560
<v Sam>movie, which is a different thing than a series series.

01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:21.400
<v Sam>Okay. Now, before I move on, I had mentioned episodes of shows that really just live.

01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:25.180
<v Sam>Individually knock you over i will

01:33:25.180 --> 01:33:28.380
<v Sam>mention two more from other shows neither of

01:33:28.380 --> 01:33:37.260
<v Sam>which i'm currently actively watching but one is buffy the vampire slayer episode

01:33:37.260 --> 01:33:45.900
<v Sam>five no sorry season five episode 16 the body um i don't.

01:33:45.900 --> 01:33:48.800
<v Ivan>Think i've ever i i i am pretty confident on this.

01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:49.660
<v Sam>I don't think i.

01:33:51.250 --> 01:33:54.890
<v Ivan>I've not even watched a single episode or a minute of the show.

01:33:55.070 --> 01:34:00.510
<v Ivan>Maybe I passed by it on the TV and watched a few seconds, but I am pretty confident

01:34:00.510 --> 01:34:02.550
<v Ivan>that I didn't watch like a full minute.

01:34:02.730 --> 01:34:06.030
<v Sam>It was a good show. Unfortunately, this is one of the shows where it turns out

01:34:06.030 --> 01:34:09.650
<v Sam>the creator turned out to be a scumbag, Joss Whedon, who did this.

01:34:09.910 --> 01:34:14.090
<v Sam>But it's one of those separate the art from the artist kind of thing.

01:34:14.190 --> 01:34:20.450
<v Sam>And also one of the actors in it also was a scumbag and ended up having all

01:34:20.450 --> 01:34:24.170
<v Sam>kinds of issues in jail, blah, blah, blah, afterwards. But, like, whatever.

01:34:24.490 --> 01:34:30.610
<v Sam>Like, anyway, The Body, season five, episode 16 of Buffy, it won't hit if you

01:34:30.610 --> 01:34:35.530
<v Sam>just watch this episode in isolation quite the same way. You have to know the characters already.

01:34:36.350 --> 01:34:38.130
<v Sam>But without giving...

01:34:39.150 --> 01:34:43.890
<v Sam>Detailed plot stuff. It is the episode where Buffy's mother dies.

01:34:44.310 --> 01:34:44.810
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:34:45.330 --> 01:34:49.630
<v Sam>And it is just so incredibly well done.

01:34:50.710 --> 01:34:58.350
<v Sam>And it kicks you in the gut, etc. And I guess the episodes I'm mentioning have a theme.

01:34:58.990 --> 01:35:01.550
<v Sam>Because the other one that I immediately thought of.

01:35:01.590 --> 01:35:02.750
<v Ivan>Apparently a lot of death.

01:35:03.350 --> 01:35:06.110
<v Sam>Yes, because the other episode I immediately thought of.

01:35:06.110 --> 01:35:07.790
<v Ivan>It starts with a freaking execution.

01:35:09.810 --> 01:35:15.390
<v Sam>Yes, yes. And the other one is,

01:35:16.030 --> 01:35:20.350
<v Sam>just make sure I have the right episode here, there you go,

01:35:20.790 --> 01:35:29.510
<v Sam>is MASH Season 3, Episode 24, which is also, spoiler for that episode,

01:35:29.770 --> 01:35:31.450
<v Sam>from the episode that came out in what.

01:35:31.790 --> 01:35:32.410
<v Ivan>1979?

01:35:32.410 --> 01:35:37.910
<v Sam>Yeah, something like that. 1975 for this episode. March 1975.

01:35:38.590 --> 01:35:45.190
<v Sam>It's where the first commander that you got to know gets to go home.

01:35:46.310 --> 01:35:54.830
<v Sam>And then in the last minute of the episode, you found out that his plane going home was shot down.

01:35:57.510 --> 01:36:02.070
<v Sam>The whole episode is like saying goodbye to him happy farewells blah blah blah

01:36:02.070 --> 01:36:07.190
<v Sam>and then he's shot down on the way home and you see everybody's reaction to hearing that news.

01:36:08.170 --> 01:36:08.730
<v Ivan>Hmm.

01:36:10.050 --> 01:36:12.990
<v Sam>Anyway, all of those happy notes.

01:36:13.130 --> 01:36:14.910
<v Ivan>Just all these happy notes.

01:36:15.050 --> 01:36:19.110
<v Sam>I mean, I'm sure there's, Oh, and the red wedding episode of game of Thrones

01:36:19.110 --> 01:36:22.830
<v Sam>also is like one of those like episodes with like a major.

01:36:23.050 --> 01:36:24.370
<v Ivan>I've not watched, you know.

01:36:24.530 --> 01:36:28.330
<v Sam>And I have never finished game of Thrones, but I got up to that episode.

01:36:28.470 --> 01:36:35.930
<v Sam>And anyway, it was, it's, it's one of those where people are surprised by what happens in it.

01:36:36.110 --> 01:36:40.670
<v Sam>If they haven't been spoiled and, shocked and, oh my God, what just happened?

01:36:40.870 --> 01:36:46.190
<v Sam>Anyway, there are a bunch of classic episodes of shows. I wonder if any of them are happy.

01:36:46.450 --> 01:36:55.130
<v Sam>Our listeners suggest, are there any episodes of TV shows that are so incredibly

01:36:55.130 --> 01:37:02.650
<v Sam>outstanding that you remember that one episode of the show over and above everything else of the show,

01:37:02.810 --> 01:37:05.250
<v Sam>but where it's happy.

01:37:05.730 --> 01:37:09.790
<v Sam>It's not outstanding because it handled tragedy well.

01:37:09.790 --> 01:37:14.770
<v Ivan>I'm not going to say episode of a show, but I did post a lot about this.

01:37:14.910 --> 01:37:17.250
<v Ivan>Okay. It was on TV this week.

01:37:17.330 --> 01:37:21.430
<v Sam>But I will say that— I was going to transition into the Super Bowl next. Are you ready to do that?

01:37:21.430 --> 01:37:29.990
<v Ivan>But listen, I'm sorry, but the Super Bowl halftime show that just happened with my compatriot,

01:37:29.990 --> 01:37:35.650
<v Ivan>okay all right who i'm gonna let me clarify something here i'm not one that

01:37:35.650 --> 01:37:42.570
<v Ivan>has a fan of his music not not because i was you know some people are like oh

01:37:42.570 --> 01:37:46.350
<v Ivan>my god no it's like it's not my kind of music.

01:37:46.350 --> 01:37:48.110
<v Sam>Yeah you're more into the ray lynch.

01:37:48.110 --> 01:37:54.230
<v Ivan>Yeah exactly it wasn't my kind of music you know i many times that his albums

01:37:54.230 --> 01:37:59.590
<v Ivan>have come out before i listened to listen to it i'm But I will say that one

01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:00.490
<v Ivan>of the things that, well,

01:38:01.110 --> 01:38:04.710
<v Ivan>a couple of things. His last album was very different, and I didn't realize

01:38:04.710 --> 01:38:06.730
<v Ivan>that the album was that different, okay?

01:38:07.030 --> 01:38:10.510
<v Ivan>And so I started hearing the music relatively recently, okay?

01:38:10.990 --> 01:38:14.450
<v Ivan>Where he incorporated a lot more elements of actually, like,

01:38:14.550 --> 01:38:19.270
<v Ivan>doing more traditional Puerto Rican music, like salsa, okay?

01:38:19.370 --> 01:38:23.690
<v Ivan>There's, I mean, this is a guy who's in a genre, genre, reggaeton,

01:38:23.870 --> 01:38:27.690
<v Ivan>which is, it's a, I don't know how to describe it.

01:38:28.190 --> 01:38:31.310
<v Ivan>It's a combination of, like, it's a

01:38:31.310 --> 01:38:34.390
<v Ivan>danceable music okay with it's kind

01:38:34.390 --> 01:38:37.790
<v Ivan>of like a i will say that it's a style of rap that's

01:38:37.790 --> 01:38:40.570
<v Ivan>puerto rican in a certain extent with a

01:38:40.570 --> 01:38:44.090
<v Ivan>very different vibe and rhythm to it okay it's

01:38:44.090 --> 01:38:53.710
<v Ivan>very puerto rican and you know my one thing was and this is my ignorance okay

01:38:53.710 --> 01:38:57.710
<v Ivan>i will say is a lot A lot of stars of this kind of music usually are people

01:38:57.710 --> 01:39:02.090
<v Ivan>that aren't thoughtful or nice people, okay?

01:39:02.850 --> 01:39:09.190
<v Ivan>But the show, the halftime show, which I think that when the global numbers

01:39:09.190 --> 01:39:12.950
<v Ivan>come out will probably have been the most watched one globally.

01:39:13.170 --> 01:39:16.630
<v Ivan>Even in the U.S., it was like fourth of U.S.

01:39:16.810 --> 01:39:21.150
<v Ivan>Watch numbers. But from what I could tell globally, this was this had a lot

01:39:21.150 --> 01:39:28.970
<v Ivan>more appeal because look, Bad Bunny has been number one global music streaming

01:39:28.970 --> 01:39:30.950
<v Ivan>artist for multiple years.

01:39:31.330 --> 01:39:35.990
<v Ivan>OK, you know, topping Taylor Swift in many cases. They've been like up there.

01:39:36.310 --> 01:39:39.890
<v Ivan>OK, right. You know, in that in that competition.

01:39:42.530 --> 01:39:43.930
<v Ivan>So, I mean, I.

01:39:45.210 --> 01:39:49.910
<v Ivan>The entire production, and I had seen one that he had done earlier,

01:39:50.270 --> 01:39:54.090
<v Ivan>shorter, one in Puerto Rico that was also very moving that I realized,

01:39:54.190 --> 01:39:55.410
<v Ivan>shit, this guy is more thoughtful.

01:39:55.730 --> 01:40:05.790
<v Ivan>But the entire production itself was an ode to Puerto Rico and to people and

01:40:05.790 --> 01:40:08.750
<v Ivan>to the Americas and to our diversity.

01:40:08.750 --> 01:40:14.550
<v Ivan>And it also touched many themes,

01:40:14.970 --> 01:40:23.930
<v Ivan>talked about the happy things, the great things, the hurtful things, the struggle things.

01:40:23.930 --> 01:40:29.630
<v Ivan>You know, it started shooting, showing a sugar cane plantation.

01:40:30.210 --> 01:40:38.770
<v Ivan>You know, people in Puerto Rico were, I mean, those plantations were slavery for many years,

01:40:39.130 --> 01:40:42.950
<v Ivan>you know, for many people in Puerto Rico up until like the abolition of slavery

01:40:42.950 --> 01:40:45.330
<v Ivan>in Puerto Rico, which was late in 1871.

01:40:46.070 --> 01:40:52.270
<v Ivan>And then even after that, when companies took over, the employers were basically

01:40:52.270 --> 01:40:57.110
<v Ivan>almost indentured slaves to the companies that worked for them.

01:40:57.230 --> 01:41:05.570
<v Ivan>They wound up always, like, being in debt to the—it was akin to slavery,

01:41:05.790 --> 01:41:12.030
<v Ivan>okay, for a long time, until that industry went away in the first half of the

01:41:12.030 --> 01:41:14.190
<v Ivan>20th century, finally, thank God.

01:41:14.190 --> 01:41:18.490
<v Ivan>Than Puerto Rico for better and other employment opportunities.

01:41:19.870 --> 01:41:21.190
<v Ivan>But it, it, it.

01:41:22.740 --> 01:41:26.820
<v Ivan>To everybody that I spoke to that was from Puerto Rico that watched this,

01:41:27.020 --> 01:41:31.360
<v Ivan>they all cried because of how beautiful it was and how it really shared everything

01:41:31.360 --> 01:41:37.440
<v Ivan>that we have done from from how our culture is to the things that were the things

01:41:37.440 --> 01:41:38.740
<v Ivan>that were hurtful and struggled.

01:41:40.120 --> 01:41:43.200
<v Ivan>I mean, they had this entire scene where they did it with the,

01:41:43.460 --> 01:41:48.760
<v Ivan>where all of a sudden the power lines, the utility poles like exploded.

01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:54.700
<v Ivan>And that's a direct reference to the, what happened with Hurricane Maria,

01:41:54.900 --> 01:41:59.400
<v Ivan>which is almost now 10 years ago, which was something that was very traumatic

01:41:59.400 --> 01:42:02.140
<v Ivan>for everybody. I mean, it was traumatic for my family.

01:42:03.120 --> 01:42:11.200
<v Ivan>Very much so. And so, and, but the one thing is that his message was one of joy and love,

01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:19.380
<v Ivan>I mean, to everybody, and how he went through the trouble of mentioning every

01:42:19.380 --> 01:42:22.380
<v Ivan>inch of land in the Americas.

01:42:23.930 --> 01:42:28.770
<v Ivan>At the end to express the love for all of them. Okay.

01:42:29.510 --> 01:42:29.910
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:42:30.630 --> 01:42:35.270
<v Ivan>And, oh, it was, man, it was joyful.

01:42:35.610 --> 01:42:42.410
<v Ivan>It brought tears, but it was more tears of joy, not tears of suffering to see him do that.

01:42:44.910 --> 01:42:50.110
<v Ivan>Look, people are still, it's crazy.

01:42:50.110 --> 01:42:56.470
<v Ivan>The attention it's gotten, like, on a global basis and how in media and other

01:42:56.470 --> 01:43:01.430
<v Ivan>places, it just keeps being replayed over and over and over right now.

01:43:02.830 --> 01:43:08.490
<v Ivan>So, you know, especially after Trump and a lot of MAGA idiots vilified him,

01:43:08.650 --> 01:43:17.290
<v Ivan>that the show was just that good and that it was really done from the heart

01:43:17.290 --> 01:43:20.950
<v Ivan>and with love and joy. Was so awesome.

01:43:21.490 --> 01:43:29.630
<v Ivan>And I, you know, it made me very proud of him and my tiny little island.

01:43:32.250 --> 01:43:38.010
<v Ivan>That, yeah, I mean, look, this kid, this kid is not from a rich family.

01:43:38.110 --> 01:43:41.370
<v Ivan>This kid is from a town that's near from where my parents are.

01:43:41.570 --> 01:43:44.530
<v Ivan>A very humble town, okay?

01:43:44.990 --> 01:43:47.890
<v Ivan>This kid used to bag groceries, man.

01:43:48.330 --> 01:43:52.930
<v Ivan>You know? And he started uploading music at the SoundCloud and all of a sudden

01:43:52.930 --> 01:43:54.070
<v Ivan>started getting popular.

01:43:54.890 --> 01:44:03.390
<v Ivan>And he started being popular. The thing about him that a lot of the way that he has...

01:44:05.160 --> 01:44:10.100
<v Ivan>In general, is showing of such kindness and concern for everybody.

01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:18.440
<v Ivan>You know, he mentioned that in his last album, one of his goals was why he made

01:44:18.440 --> 01:44:23.640
<v Ivan>a lot of songs that were outside of his main genre was to give opportunities to people.

01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:29.120
<v Ivan>And there's a public school of music in San Juan to give them an opportunity

01:44:29.120 --> 01:44:32.080
<v Ivan>to shine, to get opportunities.

01:44:32.300 --> 01:44:35.200
<v Ivan>So he decided that he wanted to do that because that's their kind,

01:44:35.400 --> 01:44:38.540
<v Ivan>that's not, it's not a genre, but he wanted all those people to get opportunities

01:44:38.540 --> 01:44:41.100
<v Ivan>to be musicians, to be successful.

01:44:41.580 --> 01:44:47.380
<v Ivan>He said that basically, well, we're all going to die, so I need to do,

01:44:47.580 --> 01:44:52.500
<v Ivan>you know, but that's just the way it is, so I love my people, why not help them out?

01:44:53.180 --> 01:44:57.020
<v Ivan>Listen, he did that last year. You know, he held no concerts in the U.S.,

01:44:57.020 --> 01:45:03.300
<v Ivan>and the reason he did that is because he did 30 shows in San Juan over like

01:45:03.300 --> 01:45:05.860
<v Ivan>a month It basically said, hey, you want to see the concert?

01:45:06.060 --> 01:45:07.480
<v Ivan>Come to San Juan to watch it.

01:45:08.380 --> 01:45:13.160
<v Ivan>And that was a huge boost to the local economy. I can tell you I was there.

01:45:13.280 --> 01:45:17.980
<v Ivan>I mean, it was packed with visitors during a time that is usually low season. Okay?

01:45:18.730 --> 01:45:24.830
<v Ivan>And so, and, you know, you know, they keep talking about price being price gouged

01:45:24.830 --> 01:45:28.930
<v Ivan>out of concerts, people, you know, oh, my God, you know, ticket master the fees.

01:45:29.430 --> 01:45:35.330
<v Ivan>So the first 10 concerts, he made sure that people locally could get tickets at really cheap prices.

01:45:35.650 --> 01:45:38.850
<v Ivan>OK, there were paper tickets, so they couldn't be resold like a line.

01:45:39.010 --> 01:45:42.190
<v Ivan>You had to go like they actually printed the paper tickets and they sold them

01:45:42.190 --> 01:45:48.370
<v Ivan>at like these old prices. So he does all these acts and things that are just

01:45:48.370 --> 01:45:50.570
<v Ivan>to care for people and show it.

01:45:50.730 --> 01:45:56.250
<v Ivan>And he's a joyful and genuinely happy guy. And that's what he was trying to share with the world.

01:45:56.490 --> 01:46:03.090
<v Ivan>And, you know, the thing is that Maga, I guess, tried to do this stupid kid rock show, whatever.

01:46:03.330 --> 01:46:07.810
<v Ivan>I don't know if you saw the thing that apparently the because he did this entirely

01:46:07.810 --> 01:46:12.790
<v Ivan>live and he did not lip sync one second of it. Okay.

01:46:13.430 --> 01:46:17.230
<v Ivan>Of the show. Apparently Kid Rock, they have to reshoot it like 30 times.

01:46:17.350 --> 01:46:19.050
<v Ivan>They spent three days shooting.

01:46:19.350 --> 01:46:20.890
<v Sam>And it was recorded like months ago, right?

01:46:21.090 --> 01:46:24.210
<v Ivan>It was recorded like weeks. Well, it was weeks ago or something.

01:46:25.030 --> 01:46:29.350
<v Ivan>And that they had to do reshoots after reshoots because people weren't getting

01:46:29.350 --> 01:46:32.310
<v Ivan>excited. The people in the crowd were paid.

01:46:33.570 --> 01:46:36.410
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just so fucking ridiculous.

01:46:36.830 --> 01:46:38.090
<v Sam>But Yvonne, Yvonne.

01:46:38.430 --> 01:46:38.910
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:46:38.910 --> 01:46:48.150
<v Sam>Bad Bunny is spitting on real Americans by speaking and singing in a foreign

01:46:48.150 --> 01:46:53.010
<v Sam>language and being like brownish.

01:46:53.570 --> 01:46:58.670
<v Sam>And just not, you know, what's wrong with him?

01:46:58.870 --> 01:47:01.950
<v Sam>Why can't we have real Americans at the Super Bowl, Yvonne?

01:47:02.470 --> 01:47:06.630
<v Ivan>Ah, real Americans. Yes. So what are we going to do?

01:47:06.670 --> 01:47:09.090
<v Sam>Just to be clear, I am not expressing my own opinion.

01:47:09.510 --> 01:47:14.050
<v Ivan>Are we going to have like the Seminole and Cherokee tribes do a show like live

01:47:14.050 --> 01:47:17.250
<v Ivan>on the stage? Is that where we're going to move to?

01:47:17.390 --> 01:47:21.610
<v Ivan>I mean, I would be all for that, actually, by the way. That sounds like a great idea.

01:47:21.610 --> 01:47:25.250
<v Sam>It would probably be a fun show, but no, like,

01:47:25.510 --> 01:47:31.070
<v Sam>and by the way, all of these MAGA people talking about real Americans do seem

01:47:31.070 --> 01:47:36.930
<v Sam>to get somewhat flustered when you start talking about Native Americans and being like, you know,

01:47:37.270 --> 01:47:42.050
<v Sam>oh, we're going to kick out all the immigrants who came here without permission. Okay, okay.

01:47:43.490 --> 01:47:46.930
<v Ivan>So where are we starting?

01:47:47.190 --> 01:47:51.670
<v Ivan>Okay, you know, it's just so fucking stupid.

01:47:52.110 --> 01:47:52.610
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:47:52.850 --> 01:47:56.490
<v Ivan>The whole thing is just so stupid. The whole immigration enforcement,

01:47:56.490 --> 01:48:03.630
<v Ivan>the whole fucking thing, the whole bullshit, it's all just fucking fascism and racism.

01:48:03.730 --> 01:48:09.110
<v Sam>That's it. And look, it's time to wrap up, so I'm not going to get into this extensively.

01:48:09.110 --> 01:48:13.950
<v Sam>But there was more that came out in the last week to two weeks about the conditions

01:48:13.950 --> 01:48:19.730
<v Sam>in some of these camps, you know, that they're setting up for adults and kids

01:48:19.730 --> 01:48:24.030
<v Sam>that are just I saw the stuff this morning about like, you know,

01:48:24.810 --> 01:48:26.510
<v Sam>diseases.

01:48:27.410 --> 01:48:31.310
<v Ivan>It's all about cruelty. It is all about thing to do.

01:48:31.490 --> 01:48:38.710
<v Ivan>It is all about being cruel to to to people that are to black and brown people.

01:48:39.450 --> 01:48:41.290
<v Ivan>Look, now there are some, by

01:48:41.290 --> 01:48:44.930
<v Ivan>the way, there are some white people being ensnared, by the way, as well.

01:48:46.270 --> 01:48:51.790
<v Sam>I saw a post this morning about, like, some Russians who are,

01:48:51.790 --> 01:48:53.830
<v Sam>like, locked up in these camps.

01:48:54.310 --> 01:49:00.390
<v Sam>Oh, somebody from Ireland that I saw. Yeah, no, you know, this is,

01:49:00.530 --> 01:49:05.870
<v Sam>the clear target is non-white folks.

01:49:06.390 --> 01:49:10.970
<v Sam>Right. But there's lots of collateral damage they're hitting as well.

01:49:11.290 --> 01:49:17.130
<v Sam>You know, I mean, the stuff in Minnesota got attention because we killed like

01:49:17.130 --> 01:49:20.190
<v Sam>reputable looking white people, you know.

01:49:20.690 --> 01:49:25.350
<v Ivan>Very nice people, by the way. OK, I'm not I'm not going to because by the way,

01:49:25.470 --> 01:49:32.350
<v Ivan>people that I by the way, I give my respects to them because they were out there

01:49:32.350 --> 01:49:34.210
<v Ivan>protesting for people like me.

01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:38.940
<v Ivan>That's why they were there. And that's why they lost their lives for people

01:49:38.940 --> 01:49:41.580
<v Ivan>like me. And so I do appreciate it very much.

01:49:41.580 --> 01:49:51.780
<v Sam>Yeah. Look, one of the things, you know, when talking about when this regime is gone and we have,

01:49:52.280 --> 01:49:57.180
<v Sam>you know, hopefully somebody good in place, one of the things that I'm going

01:49:57.180 --> 01:50:02.900
<v Sam>to be looking for, honestly, to evaluate success or failure is not just that

01:50:02.900 --> 01:50:05.300
<v Sam>we stop doing some of these things.

01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:07.580
<v Ivan>It's how we prosecute these fuckers.

01:50:07.580 --> 01:50:16.260
<v Sam>Absolutely. Like we cannot do the things like, oh, let's look forward, not back.

01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:23.800
<v Sam>No, like, no, no, we need to vigorously and especially look,

01:50:23.940 --> 01:50:28.080
<v Sam>look, I care about all the corruption crap, too. That should all be like prosecuted as well.

01:50:28.220 --> 01:50:33.700
<v Sam>But what really like what we are doing in terms of, you know,

01:50:34.080 --> 01:50:40.040
<v Sam>setting up goddamn concentration camps and and all of the abuses of power that

01:50:40.040 --> 01:50:42.100
<v Sam>are happening related to the immigration issue.

01:50:43.080 --> 01:50:46.120
<v Sam>This stuff is like send them to the hague kind

01:50:46.120 --> 01:50:49.240
<v Sam>of stuff yeah you know and yeah

01:50:49.240 --> 01:50:52.400
<v Sam>you know we need we need to like and and i'm

01:50:52.400 --> 01:50:58.700
<v Sam>not confident of the uh the ability of the of us to handle this stuff internally

01:50:58.700 --> 01:51:03.500
<v Sam>so honestly like yeah some of this stuff is like sign us up to the world court

01:51:03.500 --> 01:51:09.560
<v Sam>and hand people over you know and let let them deal with it as international

01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:10.900
<v Sam>crimes against humanity,

01:51:11.500 --> 01:51:13.800
<v Sam>you know, and, and, you know.

01:51:14.480 --> 01:51:19.780
<v Sam>With, with a whole bunch of this stuff, but especially like how we're handling

01:51:19.780 --> 01:51:24.400
<v Sam>the immigration issue, this is just completely intolerable.

01:51:24.580 --> 01:51:30.560
<v Sam>It is, it's like, and it's, it's the kind of stuff that makes you wonder at

01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:33.600
<v Sam>some point, and I'm not saying, I'm not advocating anything,

01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:39.040
<v Sam>but at some point you do wonder where does the,

01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:45.040
<v Sam>I still think nonviolence is the most effective way to deal with any of this stuff.

01:51:45.280 --> 01:51:51.100
<v Sam>But at some point, if somebody is being clearly abused on the street,

01:51:51.280 --> 01:51:56.200
<v Sam>when is it appropriate to intervene with violence to stop the cop from shooting the guy?

01:51:56.200 --> 01:52:01.540
<v Sam>Like, if there had been another bystander there in the two cases in Minnesota

01:52:01.540 --> 01:52:05.840
<v Sam>we're talking about that had a firearm and saw them about to shoot these innocent

01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:10.840
<v Sam>people, would they be in the right taking action against the ICE agents?

01:52:11.140 --> 01:52:13.760
<v Sam>I don't know. I don't know.

01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:16.640
<v Sam>So, anyway.

01:52:17.100 --> 01:52:19.240
<v Ivan>Anyway. On that happy note.

01:52:21.860 --> 01:52:25.000
<v Ivan>We sucked out the joy out of everything again.

01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:34.440
<v Sam>I'm sorry. I brought us down with very dramatic affecting episodes that like

01:52:34.440 --> 01:52:38.600
<v Sam>hurt your soul, but like are incredibly good and powerful.

01:52:38.860 --> 01:52:44.020
<v Sam>And then you were like, but joy, Super Bowl halftime show, joy, joy, joy.

01:52:44.220 --> 01:52:49.180
<v Sam>And then I'm like, concentration camps, human rights abuses.

01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:54.440
<v Ivan>By the way, another reason why Bad Bunny decided not to do the shows in the

01:52:54.440 --> 01:53:00.600
<v Ivan>United States was he was afraid that ICE enforcement was going to go and,

01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:01.520
<v Ivan>like, surround the shows.

01:53:01.620 --> 01:53:05.000
<v Ivan>And so many of his fans are Latino. He was like, fuck this shit.

01:53:05.140 --> 01:53:07.440
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I'm not going to expose them.

01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:12.720
<v Ivan>In Puerto Rico, it's a lot, you know, because you blend in so much, it's not such a problem.

01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:16.160
<v Ivan>And so, therefore, that's why all the shows were done there.

01:53:16.500 --> 01:53:16.860
<v Sam>Right.

01:53:17.790 --> 01:53:27.670
<v Sam>Okay, let's wrap it up. Curmudgeons-corner.com. Go there, find all our archives, find all kinds of stuff.

01:53:27.850 --> 01:53:29.950
<v Sam>You can find all the ways to contact us.

01:53:30.390 --> 01:53:34.990
<v Sam>I will say, I have a little graph at the bottom that has sort of a listener

01:53:34.990 --> 01:53:37.270
<v Sam>chart, if you go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:53:37.410 --> 01:53:39.190
<v Sam>I have something similar on Wiki of the Day.

01:53:39.550 --> 01:53:43.870
<v Sam>And I will add that I'm not going to promise a timeline,

01:53:44.710 --> 01:53:49.110
<v Sam>but because of some stuff i've done to help out the snohomish podcast network

01:53:49.110 --> 01:53:56.490
<v Sam>that we're a part of for their stats i've got coming soon an improved dashboard

01:53:56.490 --> 01:53:58.690
<v Sam>for curmudgeon's corner stats,

01:53:59.810 --> 01:54:07.270
<v Sam>like i i i've i'm tracking downloads in a better way than we did before in terms

01:54:07.270 --> 01:54:09.150
<v Sam>of what's valid versus what's robots.

01:54:10.470 --> 01:54:14.590
<v Sam>I'm charting it in ways that show not only total numbers, but like downloads

01:54:14.590 --> 01:54:18.790
<v Sam>of individual episodes and stuff like that. I got good stuff.

01:54:19.830 --> 01:54:24.570
<v Sam>I've got it. I've built out some stuff for, like I said, for the Snohomish Podcast Network.

01:54:24.730 --> 01:54:28.250
<v Sam>Go check them out. Check out all the other podcasts, including our UMSR.

01:54:29.670 --> 01:54:32.310
<v Sam>Who've done shows with us a couple of times. I've been on their show.

01:54:32.410 --> 01:54:33.130
<v Sam>They've been on our show.

01:54:33.570 --> 01:54:37.150
<v Sam>Well, one of them has. Sammy hasn't been on our show. Sammy, if you're listening,

01:54:37.850 --> 01:54:43.690
<v Sam>you should come on sometime. Anyway, but you can find all that stuff and archives,

01:54:45.050 --> 01:54:46.570
<v Sam>transcripts, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:54:47.090 --> 01:54:50.430
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01:54:50.430 --> 01:54:52.710
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01:54:52.810 --> 01:54:54.630
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01:54:54.930 --> 01:54:59.350
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01:54:59.350 --> 01:55:05.290
<v Sam>Chorus Slack, where Yvonne and I and a bunch of other people are chatting and

01:55:05.290 --> 01:55:08.490
<v Sam>sharing links all through the week. Yvonne, do you have a highlight from this?

01:55:08.930 --> 01:55:13.190
<v Ivan>I'll make some, back to comedy, okay? I got a couple, okay?

01:55:13.450 --> 01:55:13.690
<v Sam>Yes.

01:55:13.690 --> 01:55:21.850
<v Ivan>One is, this was in the standard, hospital evacuated as man found to have World

01:55:21.850 --> 01:55:24.770
<v Ivan>War I artillery share in rectum.

01:55:25.310 --> 01:55:32.290
<v Ivan>The discovery of the century-old shell prompted a hospital evacuation amid fears it could explode. Yes.

01:55:33.510 --> 01:55:38.270
<v Ivan>Greg made a comment that he said that he wanted to eliminate his kidney stones in a hurry.

01:55:38.890 --> 01:55:39.070
<v Sam>Yes.

01:55:39.250 --> 01:55:42.170
<v Ivan>That was part of his plan. So that, that's one that I got.

01:55:42.510 --> 01:55:45.350
<v Ivan>I should have thought of that. Exactly. I don't know. You're, you're not.

01:55:45.490 --> 01:55:51.610
<v Ivan>And the second one is that there was some novelty items being sold around.

01:55:51.790 --> 01:56:00.630
<v Ivan>There's like a, but, but one is apparently somebody has made Donald Trump butt plugs for sale.

01:56:01.270 --> 01:56:01.750
<v Sam>Okay.

01:56:02.050 --> 01:56:09.290
<v Ivan>Yes. I, I, You know, that doesn't look very—I don't see who could be deriving

01:56:09.290 --> 01:56:13.450
<v Ivan>any joy from having Donald Trump shoved up their ass.

01:56:14.250 --> 01:56:19.290
<v Sam>It is not enticing to me. That's all I can say. I'm not going to judge anybody.

01:56:20.010 --> 01:56:21.950
<v Ivan>Yeah, but I'm out on that one.

01:56:22.390 --> 01:56:28.370
<v Sam>Yeah, I've had enough foreign objects inserted into orifices in the last week.

01:56:28.710 --> 01:56:32.050
<v Ivan>Indeed. Let's quit on that. Yes.

01:56:32.050 --> 01:56:36.430
<v Sam>Now, two more things to mention. One, Alex just came up to me,

01:56:36.950 --> 01:56:40.690
<v Sam>wanting me to mention that I have shared this on the Commudgeons Corner Slack,

01:56:40.970 --> 01:56:44.070
<v Sam>but apparently there's a site where you can do custom wordles.

01:56:45.210 --> 01:56:53.290
<v Sam>And so he's made a whole bunch for me. But I was proud of one because it was

01:56:53.290 --> 01:56:57.510
<v Sam>a 13-letter one, and I actually got it.

01:56:57.670 --> 01:57:03.630
<v Sam>Because I realized with this custom wordle, every entry didn't have—I misspelled

01:57:03.630 --> 01:57:08.150
<v Sam>my first attempt at a 13-letter word because I didn't even attempt to spell

01:57:08.150 --> 01:57:09.310
<v Sam>hippopotamus correctly.

01:57:09.650 --> 01:57:13.910
<v Sam>So I put in hippopotamus but misspelled, and it still worked.

01:57:13.910 --> 01:57:18.230
<v Sam>So I was like, ah, you can put in non-words, and that helps with long words

01:57:18.230 --> 01:57:21.330
<v Sam>because you can just try a whole bunch of letters and see what works and what doesn't.

01:57:22.610 --> 01:57:27.990
<v Sam>Anyway, in five tries, I successfully got cephalothorax.

01:57:28.810 --> 01:57:29.910
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ, that's it.

01:57:31.360 --> 01:57:36.540
<v Ivan>I looked at it and my response is like, fuck no, I'm not doing this.

01:57:38.060 --> 01:57:45.180
<v Sam>Well, he sent me some with even longer words and I had that same response for the others.

01:57:45.400 --> 01:57:47.420
<v Sam>I'm like, okay, I did the one. I'm out.

01:57:48.360 --> 01:57:53.500
<v Sam>He also did one that only had four letters, which I did do. It was liar.

01:57:54.160 --> 01:57:57.580
<v Ivan>Okay, that sounds more reasonable. Four letters. Okay.

01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:04.180
<v Sam>I shouldn't give... Lies? It was lies. It was, he, he's.

01:58:04.260 --> 01:58:07.080
<v Ivan>He's upset at me because I'm not remembering properly.

01:58:08.020 --> 01:58:12.500
<v Sam>Okay. What was it? He's going to tell me. While he gets me that,

01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:16.580
<v Sam>I will repeat once again, Robin letter, robinletter.com.

01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:21.720
<v Sam>If you're, if you're interested, send an email and I'll, I'll get you on the

01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:25.100
<v Sam>list. I'll be expanding in waves.

01:58:25.620 --> 01:58:29.700
<v Sam>Hopefully people like it. And frankly, even if you don't like it,

01:58:30.480 --> 01:58:35.720
<v Sam>feedback would be useful for me to be able to iterate or just learn from my failure.

01:58:35.720 --> 01:58:39.220
<v Ivan>Plus, we like feedback, positive and negative. You know, for some reason,

01:58:39.240 --> 01:58:43.800
<v Ivan>we used to get more feedback, unlike other places. I think it's because we haven't been doing ads.

01:58:43.980 --> 01:58:48.120
<v Ivan>But when we got feedback, it was funny, especially the guys that said we suck.

01:58:48.730 --> 01:58:52.170
<v Sam>It was lies-a. Oh.

01:58:52.610 --> 01:58:59.250
<v Sam>Oh, no. It was lies was my last guess, but I was wrong. So I never did find out that word.

01:58:59.750 --> 01:59:02.890
<v Sam>Oh. It ends in a yes. So.

01:59:03.310 --> 01:59:03.730
<v Ivan>Oh, well.

01:59:03.990 --> 01:59:08.590
<v Sam>I thought, I misremembered. Anyway, robinletter.com.

01:59:08.990 --> 01:59:15.670
<v Sam>Yes. And Phil, you know, and we don't even check, like, the iTunes reviews anymore.

01:59:15.670 --> 01:59:16.770
<v Sam>I haven't looked in years.

01:59:16.770 --> 01:59:18.630
<v Ivan>I checked it a while back.

01:59:18.810 --> 01:59:19.350
<v Sam>Nothing new.

01:59:19.370 --> 01:59:22.070
<v Ivan>I checked it in the last year, and I didn't see any new reviews.

01:59:22.270 --> 01:59:24.010
<v Sam>That's because, you know.

01:59:24.190 --> 01:59:30.330
<v Ivan>Well, let me try again. Let me check again. Hold on. Not that you mentioned it. There we go.

01:59:30.490 --> 01:59:33.650
<v Ivan>But I did look not that long ago.

01:59:34.190 --> 01:59:37.950
<v Sam>Well, and I guess it's not even iTunes anymore. It's now the separate podcast app.

01:59:38.250 --> 01:59:39.210
<v Ivan>Podcast app.

01:59:39.470 --> 01:59:42.630
<v Sam>Yeah. Anyway. See y'all.

01:59:42.770 --> 01:59:44.230
<v Ivan>See y'all.

01:59:44.270 --> 01:59:44.710
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:59:45.230 --> 01:59:50.430
<v Ivan>Yeah, the last written review was years ago.

01:59:50.570 --> 01:59:56.210
<v Sam>Well, we stopped asking, too. So, hey, if you're out there, go to your podcast

01:59:56.210 --> 02:00:00.450
<v Sam>app, whatever your favorite player is, whether it's the most of them have associated

02:00:00.450 --> 02:00:03.610
<v Sam>places to rate or review podcasts.

02:00:04.070 --> 02:00:08.410
<v Sam>So, you know, go to the Apple podcast app or whatever other thing you have and

02:00:08.410 --> 02:00:10.350
<v Sam>give us a rating and a review.

02:00:10.570 --> 02:00:14.210
<v Ivan>The review I like the most. It's still here. This is from three years ago.

02:00:14.710 --> 02:00:20.210
<v Ivan>Two guys ranting about stuff they barely know. Get a bloody editor.

02:00:20.870 --> 02:00:23.370
<v Ivan>Unlistenable. By Basket Rabbit.

02:00:24.070 --> 02:00:26.330
<v Sam>There you go. Best review ever.

02:00:27.010 --> 02:00:30.710
<v Ivan>Yeah. See, I, you know. Okay.

02:00:31.310 --> 02:00:34.550
<v Sam>We're done here. Thanks, everybody. Stay safe. Have fun. Blah,

02:00:34.590 --> 02:00:38.630
<v Sam>blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. And yeah. Goodbye.

02:00:39.330 --> 02:00:39.750
<v Ivan>Bye.

02:01:10.390 --> 02:01:14.390
<v Sam>And that was, of course, more Ray Lynch. So thanks again for Ray Lynch.

02:01:15.350 --> 02:01:21.830
<v Sam>And yeah. Okay. I'm going to head to stop button, Yvonne. Bye.

02:01:22.290 --> 02:01:22.790
<v Ivan>Bye.

