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<v Emily>Hi, welcome to be here. Am I really this close?

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<v Sam>Your head's about the same size as mine on my screen. You're good. Now we wait for Yvonne.

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<v Emily>How are you?

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<v Sam>I'm doing okay.

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<v Emily>Yeah? Living the dream?

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<v Sam>Yeah living the i get i get to do fun things because i don't have to work but

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<v Sam>i'm not making any money thing you know but yeah.

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<v Emily>Well that's well that's it same having a good time that's for sure.

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<v Sam>Oh there's mr bow.

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<v Ivan>No people we have people.

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<v Emily>I'm here i was prompt lots of people and i don't have my mic going you two are

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<v Emily>all fancy and i got i got great backdrops okay.

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<v Sam>There you go.

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<v Ivan>I have a hyper expensive backdrop. Don't. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I have to.

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<v Sam>You know, you have to look impressive on video calls every day. Basically.

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<v Ivan>Regularly, at least. Maybe not every day. But, you know, if I'm trying to get

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<v Ivan>a CIO to purchase like a million dollar contract from me, you know what?

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<v Ivan>I don't want to be looking like me. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Emily>You need to dress for the job.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Dress for the job.

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<v Emily>Yes. But it's background expensive because it has a lot of degrees back there. So that was it.

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<v Ivan>Well, no, no. All the cabinetry and stuff. From both. From the furniture.

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<v Ivan>Well, yes, the degrees, yes, the degrees were expensive.

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<v Emily>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Well, actually, not totally.

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<v Emily>Okay.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, Carnegie Mellon University, when we went to school,

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<v Ivan>I remember, it was only like $12,000 a year.

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<v Sam>Because that was a long time ago.

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<v Ivan>And my master's degree was free. I got a full scholarship plus expenses to get my master's degree.

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<v Ivan>So, therefore, you know, so in real relative financial terms,

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<v Ivan>they were not expensive right now compared to today.

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<v Emily>Yeah, I think, well, my parents would probably beg to differ,

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<v Emily>but I managed to get out of, you know, it was a state school,

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<v Emily>but I paid $16,000, I think.

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<v Emily>That was after, like, yeah, and I got two degrees.

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<v Emily>I went every summer, which was helpful. I would get, like, I got it in that

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<v Emily>amount of time. I think I went maybe one more quarter, one more class to get

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<v Emily>my final political science one.

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<v Ivan>Sam and I, look.

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<v Emily>So summer. Wait, summer.

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<v Ivan>Summer, summer, come on.

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<v Emily>I did go to summer school.

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<v Ivan>Sam and I, we're very lazy people. We don't go to summer school.

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<v Emily>Well, I'm lazy too, and summer school was not about just school.

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<v Emily>It was about partying at WSU in the summer.

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<v Ivan>Look, I could get partying done without having to have the excuse of going to

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<v Ivan>school, okay? That was not a requirement in any way, shape, or form.

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<v Ivan>I could figure out how to party without being at school. Thank you very much.

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<v Emily>Me too.

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<v Ivan>Okay, I got subjects lined up. I got things.

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<v Sam>Yeah, we had a few things happen.

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<v Ivan>Really?

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Calm. Everything is fine.

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<v Ivan>All right, well, come on. Let's get this show on the road. Let's go. Come on.

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<v Sam>Okay, everyone ready?

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<v Ivan>Ready as we'll ever be.

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<v Emily>Never ready, but I'm ready.

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<v Sam>Here we go.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Saturday, January 17th, 2026.

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<v Sam>It is just after 3 UTC as we are starting to record. I am Sam Minter. Yvonne Bowe is with us.

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<v Sam>And this time we also have Emily Wicks with us again, who is,

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<v Sam>of course, the co-host of the UMSUR podcast and is joining us again.

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<v Sam>So thank you, Emily. Thank you, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello, hello.

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<v Emily>Hello.

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<v Ivan>You know, you guys, what's the temperature up there where you guys are at? Oh, yeah.

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<v Sam>Just checking right now. 42.

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<v Emily>It's really nice.

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<v Ivan>42.

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<v Emily>We've had really sun skies lately.

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<v Ivan>And it was 42 this morning over here.

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<v Ivan>All right. Look, it's 60. I was out with a sweater, a jacket.

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<v Ivan>I'm indoors. I'm freezing my ass off.

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<v Ivan>You know, I. Yes, I know.

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<v Ivan>And it's going to be. Yes. And it's going to be cold again tonight.

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<v Ivan>I'm not. I'm not doing well.

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<v Emily>So when would it Cold means 40s. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. That's that's that's Arctic.

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<v Ivan>No, cold is 60.

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<v Emily>Wow. You don't belong in Washington State.

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<v Ivan>No, I do not. There is a reason I live down in South Florida.

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<v Ivan>Look, I mean, I'm Puerto Rican, for God's sakes. This is not my, no, no.

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<v Sam>Look, Yvonne, here at 60 degrees, people are wearing shorts and T-shirts.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I got a whole bunch of Canadians down here. Not as much,

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<v Ivan>not as many as we usually have gotten, you know, thanks to our dear old Presidente,

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<v Ivan>okay, you know, that are all around in shorts and whatever and stuff and bathing suits.

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<v Ivan>And I'm looking at them and, you know, my wife takes out her winter coat,

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<v Ivan>literally takes out her winter coat. I'm not exaggerating.

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<v Ivan>You know, high 50s, 60s is you go to a Starbucks and there are people wearing boots and winter coats.

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<v Sam>Yeah, ridiculous. You guys are, I don't know what to say.

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<v Sam>You know, I know you're not used to it, but come on.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to tell you something. Look, I made some notes about some stuff that's been going on.

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<v Ivan>One thing, you know, a few weeks ago after my surgery, they drew some blood work.

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<v Ivan>And they tell me this thing.

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<v Ivan>Hey, you know what? Your cortisol levels are high.

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<v Ivan>Now, cortisol is related to stress.

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<v Ivan>And they asked me, hey, have you been enduring stressful situations?

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Ivan>Where are we living, for God's sakes?

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<v Ivan>Have you seen the news? Between the news, my job, this shit,

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<v Ivan>or whatever? You know, yes, of course.

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<v Sam>My cortisol is high. Not to mention the surgery as well. And the surgery, right.

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<v Ivan>And the surgery.

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<v Sam>You know, like, this reminds me, like, you know,

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<v Sam>Both when my wife and my mother both had surgery recently as well.

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<v Sam>And in both cases, the doctors at one point or another, as they're preparing

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<v Sam>for surgery, were like, your blood pressure is a little high.

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<v Sam>Are you nervous about something?

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<v Ivan>No. No.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Anyway.

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<v Emily>Well, have you done the, because when you have high, like, stress levels,

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<v Emily>you're supposed to do the superwoman stance or the superman stance.

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<v Emily>It lowers your cortisol levels, you know?

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<v Emily>Like, when you go, we always tell people before you're going to a stressful

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<v Emily>interview, go into the bathroom or go wherever you need to do and stand like

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<v Emily>this with your, you know, like, or just, like, go big. And then it lowers your

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<v Emily>cortisol levels and it helps.

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<v Ivan>I am taking some new supplements that they recommended I take.

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<v Ivan>So based on that, I'm doing that. But I got to be honest.

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<v Ivan>This is, I'm kind of like at a point, like right now, where this is like,

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<v Ivan>I've realized this is the normal. You know, you...

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<v Ivan>Look, I saw that you had done a post about, you were doing an interview about

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<v Ivan>stuff that's going on in the Capitol recently.

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<v Ivan>But the thing is that I went to the podcast episode, and it's not what I was listening that you had.

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<v Ivan>You mentioned something about being, there was a whole bunch of different subjects,

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<v Ivan>but the one that I heard was about living in different places.

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<v Sam>You're talking about UMSR, of course.

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<v Ivan>I'm talking about UMSR. And you mentioned about, I guess you recently visited Brazil.

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<v Emily>Oh, yeah. Well, no. It was 2018.

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<v Ivan>2018. Well, relatively recent.

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<v Emily>Yeah. And I was just listening to your podcast when you guys recorded when you

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<v Emily>were in Brazil. And that was what? Was that 2006 or 2009?

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<v Ivan>That was 2009.

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<v Emily>Oh, my God.

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<v Sam>You were listening to a 2009 episode?

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<v Ivan>So this is what happened. She mentioned that she was in Brazil.

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<v Ivan>And I realized that I said, I realized that, you know, I mentioned,

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<v Ivan>well, I remembered, Sam, we recorded a lot of podcasts.

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<v Ivan>episodes from when I was in Brazil. Okay.

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<v Sam>Well, in general, when you had the job that you were traveling internationally

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<v Sam>every single week, we recorded episodes with you all over the world.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, basically. Yes. Did we, did we, no, we did not record from Russia.

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<v Ivan>I think I avoided recording from Russia.

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<v Sam>No, no, I don't think we recorded from Russia, but I know, I know we recorded when you were in Asia.

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<v Sam>I know we recorded in South America. You know, you were all over the place.

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<v Ivan>Yes so so we recorded episodes from from everywhere but i i must tell you so

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<v Ivan>that's your only visit that you went to brazil.

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<v Emily>Yeah i mean i it was what city.

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<v Ivan>Did you go to.

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<v Emily>We just we went to rio de janeiro that's where we spent most of our time and

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<v Emily>then we did take a trip to ila grande the island okay it was so funny because

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<v Emily>my friend was telling me he had gone there he had stayed with a family there

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<v Emily>for many years and his wife so we went with his dad and

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<v Emily>And we went with his wife at the time and his daughters. That was her first

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<v Emily>time, like, coming back.

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<v Emily>His wife was, she was from Brazil. She's Portuguese and, not Portuguese, she's Brazilian.

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<v Ivan>Brazilian, yeah, don't, yeah, don't say, listen, don't, do not ever say that to.

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<v Emily>Yeah. You're right, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Don't tell a Portuguese person they have a Brazilian.

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<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Talk about the ultimate insult. They will, yes, they will kill you.

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<v Emily>Two things. I know Spanish relatively well, not well, but I can get around if I need to.

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<v Emily>I'm not good at just busting it out, but it can get around.

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<v Emily>But my friend was like, oh, yeah, Portuguese is just the same.

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<v Emily>You can build on it. And I was like, I don't know.

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<v Emily>Like, I was doing Duolingo for a year before we left.

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<v Emily>It was so hard. And I go, this is not the same. And then you go there.

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<v Ivan>It's no.

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<v Emily>And the way that I thought you were supposed to say something was not the same.

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<v Emily>because the country is huge.

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<v Emily>It's like trying to listen to somebody, you know, speak in Texas or like Chicago

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<v Emily>or Boston and then talk to someone.

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<v Ivan>The accents are so different between cities, like, you know,

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<v Ivan>Sao Paulo accent or Rio accent. They're so very different.

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<v Ivan>But one thing, what I will tell you, listen, there is one thing I want to say

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<v Ivan>that you mentioned that you did on the trip that I cringed a little bit, okay,

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<v Ivan>is that you guys did this whole, when we were, when I spent a lot of time in

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<v Ivan>Brazil, one of the things that we were talking about,

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<v Ivan>American tourists go for the first time, was this.

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<v Ivan>Focus on doing favela visits, which people locally were like,

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<v Ivan>why are the Americans crazy?

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<v Ivan>And they think that they want to come over here and visit the favelas.

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<v Ivan>Like, like, you know, it's not, it's like to a lot of the locals,

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<v Ivan>it's very, a very big cringy thing.

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<v Ivan>But you said that you didn't go on one of those.

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<v Emily>We had a host. We, that was actually where my friend stayed.

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<v Emily>So we were actually a host family.

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<v Ivan>Oh, but you stayed with a host family. Okay.

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<v Emily>That was his host family.

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<v Ivan>No, because there are people that go on these bus tours.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, okay, so it was that you were staying. Okay, that makes me feel better.

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<v Ivan>No, the one thing is that I think to a lot of people, and I say that,

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<v Ivan>you know, I saw, I visited Brazil so often for like 25 years.

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<v Ivan>Last time, the last trip that I did, and I think I saved the boarding pass on

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<v Ivan>my desk. It's right here. Okay. Yeah, I have.

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<v Ivan>This is the boarding pass from a flight from Sao Paulo to Miami on the 12th of March of 2020.

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<v Emily>Okay. Gosh.

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<v Ivan>Now, if you think about how that date may be important in our world history,

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<v Ivan>it's because it was right before the COVID shutdown.

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<v Ivan>And I actually, I was very concerned about this. And when I landed...

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<v Ivan>The satellite internet had stopped working on the flight over overnight.

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<v Ivan>So all of a sudden, I was trying to get updates on what's going on.

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<v Ivan>We're all very worried about what's going on with COVID rearing,

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<v Ivan>about shutdowns, things, stuff, or whatever.

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<v Ivan>And we landed, and literally all our phones blared, and all the flight attendants,

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<v Ivan>and everybody from America's flight attendant was standing nearby.

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<v Ivan>We're all in shock because America announced right when we landed that all flights

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<v Ivan>to South America, international, were all suspended. And that was the moment that we landed.

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<v Emily>Wow.

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<v Ivan>So I beat, like, not being stuck, like, in some foreign country for months by

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<v Ivan>a very, by a whisker, okay?

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<v Ivan>And so, but one thing is that.

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<v Ivan>i i love brazil i have a lot of friends it's a

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<v Ivan>great country i just always like go to people it's like

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<v Ivan>i saw how brazil had one of the biggest developments of a middle class that

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<v Ivan>we've had in history from when i used to visit in the 90s to like now where

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<v Ivan>i mean brazil was so poor when i I used to visit in the 90s.

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<v Ivan>And one of the things to give credit to the current president,

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<v Ivan>even though he was sent to jail for bribery and he's out and now he's president

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<v Ivan>again. But okay, you know, who's counting?

00:15:01.420 --> 00:15:04.320
<v Ivan>But who's counting, right? Okay, at least they did send him to jail.

00:15:04.540 --> 00:15:05.680
<v Ivan>Okay, I can say that. Okay.

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<v Ivan>That they take a lot of people out of poverty. It was just the transformation

00:15:14.260 --> 00:15:18.960
<v Ivan>where I still remember one thing that I always found incredible was looking

00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:20.340
<v Ivan>out a window out of our office.

00:15:20.540 --> 00:15:26.780
<v Ivan>We're back in the 90s. There was this huge favela. And as time passed, it disappeared.

00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:31.160
<v Ivan>And it's not because, you know, like in certain places, you know,

00:15:31.180 --> 00:15:32.480
<v Ivan>in cities where they try to like

00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.160
<v Ivan>hide all the homeless. No, it's because people were making more money.

00:15:35.740 --> 00:15:41.820
<v Ivan>It's because actually, heaven forbid, there was income distribution.

00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:46.980
<v Ivan>It happened where the poor got more money instead of just the rich having money.

00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:51.700
<v Ivan>There was an economy that grew and the poor were made richer.

00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.480
<v Ivan>And it was just one of those things that, and it was just kind of one of those

00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.880
<v Ivan>interesting things that I saw out a window where you saw, I remember this place

00:15:58.880 --> 00:16:00.580
<v Ivan>where all of a sudden it was favela and all of a sudden disappeared,

00:16:00.680 --> 00:16:01.220
<v Ivan>disappeared, disappeared.

00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:04.140
<v Ivan>Yes, what happened? Oh, well, people got money. They got houses.

00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:04.780
<v Emily>They moved out.

00:16:05.560 --> 00:16:09.900
<v Emily>he got to go to places it's like it's one of those things good i just remember

00:16:09.900 --> 00:16:14.800
<v Emily>something with the it rained one night really it was really crazy so yeah we

00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:19.320
<v Emily>were not in a bus i'll just say we were not tourists in a bus we had people

00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.020
<v Emily>that knew the area that were from okay very specific area,

00:16:23.560 --> 00:16:26.280
<v Emily>but i yes but i had a lot to learn and it

00:16:26.280 --> 00:16:29.080
<v Emily>was really helpful to learn about that experience while i

00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.800
<v Emily>was there with a friend who was like this is

00:16:31.800 --> 00:16:36.180
<v Emily>what i learned as a white person from marysville washington as well and like

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<v Emily>who's traveled here and stayed here for a long time so there's a lot of things

00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:43.480
<v Emily>that i didn't understand like the tipping culture i thought was really interesting

00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:49.480
<v Emily>um they don't i i was like i want to tip and he's like do not tip them do not tip they.

00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.400
<v Ivan>Don't yeah they don't it's not yeah.

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<v Emily>That was something that you know threw me off but that i do remember we were

00:16:54.900 --> 00:17:00.520
<v Emily>having a great like you know we are having steak at a friend of his home it

00:17:00.520 --> 00:17:01.800
<v Emily>started pouring down rain.

00:17:02.180 --> 00:17:08.260
<v Emily>We saw, you know, police officers like coming up, you know, the favela,

00:17:08.380 --> 00:17:10.380
<v Emily>like the hill that was right up.

00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:14.240
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah. It was really- Usually on hills. Yeah. And when it rains,

00:17:14.380 --> 00:17:18.120
<v Ivan>I mean, the storm of water that comes through is a gusher.

00:17:18.300 --> 00:17:20.520
<v Emily>Yeah. There was a couch that came down the hill.

00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.220
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll happen.

00:17:23.660 --> 00:17:27.920
<v Emily>Side, but underneath things watching, we were like, holy shit. Like, you know,

00:17:28.490 --> 00:17:33.610
<v Emily>But, you know, his host father that was there was talking to us about how he

00:17:33.610 --> 00:17:37.710
<v Emily>felt a lot safer in the favelas than he did when he was, you know,

00:17:37.810 --> 00:17:39.510
<v Emily>out in other areas of the city.

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<v Emily>And we were there during New Year's Eve, which I'll tell you was,

00:17:43.670 --> 00:17:47.190
<v Emily>you know, being on Copacabana Beach, I'll never see fireworks,

00:17:47.430 --> 00:17:52.070
<v Emily>no matter what, that will ever, like, compare to that firework show.

00:17:52.570 --> 00:17:55.390
<v Emily>and but i did have a um it was

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<v Emily>a i was wearing a necklace someone told me not to wear you know

00:17:58.070 --> 00:18:00.970
<v Emily>jewelry and i was wearing like a cheap gold necklace it was

00:18:00.970 --> 00:18:05.450
<v Emily>nothing it was like you know i forgot i even had it on it was just so flimsy

00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:10.290
<v Emily>or whatever and this you know kid started going like you know getting in front

00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:15.410
<v Emily>of me went like this and then grabbed at my neck to grab my necklace and this

00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:19.170
<v Emily>was as we were like going there to to new year's and going to the beach and i was

00:18:19.290 --> 00:18:21.950
<v Emily>what the heck? And my friend, you know, pulled him aside.

00:18:22.370 --> 00:18:26.230
<v Emily>Later, he went to go find some friends of his that were trying to find us,

00:18:26.310 --> 00:18:30.050
<v Emily>which I don't know how he found us back on the beach because we just slow.

00:18:30.290 --> 00:18:31.270
<v Ivan>There's like so many people. Yeah.

00:18:31.750 --> 00:18:36.230
<v Emily>I mean, we made our little area and then we just, you know, it just zoomed in.

00:18:36.590 --> 00:18:41.650
<v Emily>We had nothing at the end of it. And so he said that he ended up seeing that

00:18:41.650 --> 00:18:46.030
<v Emily>little boy later and he was beat to a pull because he was, you know,

00:18:46.330 --> 00:18:49.850
<v Emily>like basically trying to rob people at the beach. It was just like.

00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:54.030
<v Ivan>Yeah, probably some people were like, okay, enough, you know, come on.

00:18:54.410 --> 00:18:57.950
<v Emily>He was, you know, helpless, you know, or like, I mean, yeah,

00:18:58.070 --> 00:19:00.050
<v Emily>it was really, it was just interesting.

00:19:00.330 --> 00:19:05.490
<v Emily>And then that was also when, it was 2018, you know, my husband and I remember

00:19:05.490 --> 00:19:09.910
<v Emily>this because my spouse and I, we got engaged on the beach and it was really interesting.

00:19:10.070 --> 00:19:11.390
<v Ivan>Oh, oh, there you go.

00:19:11.590 --> 00:19:14.970
<v Emily>He was literally holding this ring that he wouldn't want to get robbed.

00:19:15.850 --> 00:19:16.850
<v Emily>whole time.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I did get robbed in Brazil. Okay. They stole my briefcase at the airport.

00:19:22.370 --> 00:19:28.410
<v Ivan>Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was, it was, it was, it was an opportunity to, it was stupid.

00:19:28.670 --> 00:19:33.150
<v Ivan>I was checking in at the ticket counter and there actually had a gang of people

00:19:33.150 --> 00:19:35.710
<v Ivan>that were preying on, on people at the ticket counter.

00:19:35.870 --> 00:19:39.470
<v Ivan>I was super exhausted. I put my briefcase on the floor and they caused a commotion

00:19:39.470 --> 00:19:41.630
<v Ivan>behind me. And all of a sudden I looked down again at my briefcase.

00:19:42.570 --> 00:19:46.710
<v Emily>Yeah, I mean, that was an experience I don't think I would ever,

00:19:46.710 --> 00:19:50.610
<v Emily>like, have been able to do without having the relationship with the friends

00:19:50.610 --> 00:19:54.510
<v Emily>that we had, that my, you know, husband had. It was incredible.

00:19:54.830 --> 00:19:58.030
<v Emily>But we were there for three weeks, and that was too long. Oh, there you go.

00:19:58.290 --> 00:20:02.950
<v Emily>That was too long to go anywhere and to be away. Sam, have you been to Brazil?

00:20:04.450 --> 00:20:05.410
<v Sam>I have not.

00:20:05.970 --> 00:20:06.270
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:20:06.370 --> 00:20:10.070
<v Ivan>But he's been to Portuguese-speaking countries. That is true.

00:20:10.830 --> 00:20:14.470
<v Sam>I lived in Mozambique when I was two to four years old, yes.

00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:18.550
<v Sam>And I visited there once when I was college age as well.

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<v Ivan>When you were in college, yeah.

00:20:20.030 --> 00:20:20.250
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:20:20.430 --> 00:20:20.770
<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Somewhere over there.

00:20:21.470 --> 00:20:28.430
<v Sam>But yeah, no. And I believe on the way back from Africa, we stopped in Portugal.

00:20:29.270 --> 00:20:30.490
<v Ivan>Yeah, okay, that doesn't count.

00:20:30.590 --> 00:20:34.370
<v Sam>When I was four years old. Like, we stayed there for like a week or something.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Well, very good, Sam.

00:20:37.550 --> 00:20:43.210
<v Sam>I have very vague memories of this house we stayed at when I was four years

00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:44.990
<v Sam>old on the way back to the U.S.

00:20:45.010 --> 00:20:51.310
<v Sam>from Africa because the guy had an accordion, and I was very intrigued by the accordion.

00:20:51.570 --> 00:20:52.050
<v Ivan>Oh.

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<v Sam>Outside his place, they had people playing, what is it, bocce ball or whatever?

00:20:57.730 --> 00:20:57.790
<v Ivan>Yes, yes.

00:20:57.790 --> 00:21:07.790
<v Sam>I was very intrigued by that. And I believe this is also where I got a little toy truck that I really,

00:21:07.950 --> 00:21:13.530
<v Sam>really enjoyed until I lost it when my parents and I were visiting New York

00:21:13.530 --> 00:21:17.010
<v Sam>City several years later. And it upset me ever since.

00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:22.290
<v Sam>To this day, I am upset. It was a little double truck thing,

00:21:22.590 --> 00:21:26.210
<v Sam>like matchbox car size. And I probably

00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:30.830
<v Sam>had it from when I was four to when maybe I was like six or seven.

00:21:31.330 --> 00:21:36.990
<v Sam>And then I think I left it at the house of the people we were visiting.

00:21:37.270 --> 00:21:39.290
<v Sam>But I never got the damn thing back.

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<v Sam>And I'm pissed to this day. I'm like, I should call up my mom and dad,

00:21:43.950 --> 00:21:48.430
<v Sam>find out who we were visiting, and go see if they're still alive. As you can see.

00:21:48.570 --> 00:21:53.830
<v Ivan>Sam will hold grudges for a long time. Okay, so don't cross them.

00:21:55.370 --> 00:22:04.050
<v Sam>Hey, it's been slightly less than 50 years, like maybe 48 or 49 years.

00:22:04.570 --> 00:22:11.750
<v Ivan>So, well, I'll make one, you know, aside from like asking Emily about her podcast

00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:13.190
<v Ivan>and like her adventures,

00:22:13.370 --> 00:22:19.730
<v Ivan>I want to just say one thing because we didn't talk about this in the last week

00:22:19.730 --> 00:22:23.530
<v Ivan>because we didn't record after this happened. that I'll make a mention about...

00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:26.480
<v Ivan>My buddy that passed away on Wednesday.

00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:28.280
<v Emily>I'm so sorry.

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<v Ivan>So last, when I was around after Christmas, I had a call from a mutual friend

00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:44.100
<v Ivan>of ours that a friend of our friend, a friend I have, Bob Corby. He, uh, but he was sick.

00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:47.100
<v Ivan>And I was like, Mark, how sick is he?

00:22:47.660 --> 00:22:51.620
<v Ivan>I don't know. Wow, baby. And, you know, Mark is old, but much older.

00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:54.080
<v Ivan>And I met him like 20 some odd years ago.

00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:57.540
<v Ivan>and i met him because we had boats i i used to

00:22:57.540 --> 00:23:01.980
<v Ivan>do a lot of stuff with boats and and

00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:04.900
<v Ivan>i go and i'm like you know so but is

00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:08.180
<v Ivan>he okay i think he's okay okay well

00:23:08.180 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Ivan>i i call him back i call bob

00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.140
<v Ivan>a couple of days later hey bob are you okay no i'm at

00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:18.540
<v Ivan>the hospital i'm like shit you're at the hospital well do you know do they know

00:23:18.540 --> 00:23:23.340
<v Ivan>what you have they don't know they're doing tests so i go i went to visit him

00:23:23.340 --> 00:23:28.360
<v Ivan>and he was jaundiced he was yellow i mean he was not looking good of course

00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:33.620
<v Ivan>and the doctors were there for and they couldn't figure out what the heck was wrong with him,

00:23:36.050 --> 00:23:40.210
<v Ivan>Next day or two, they said that they had discovered that he had a cancer that metastasized.

00:23:40.370 --> 00:23:44.170
<v Ivan>They'd metastasized all over. Basically, there was nothing that they could do

00:23:44.170 --> 00:23:48.130
<v Ivan>that they were just sending him to hospice right away.

00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:55.710
<v Ivan>And I went to, this was like, so this was Tuesday. Thursday, I found that out.

00:23:55.850 --> 00:23:58.870
<v Ivan>Friday, I saw him at the hospital. They were sending him to hospice over the weekend.

00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:04.110
<v Ivan>I was going to go try visit him this week. I found out where they sent him to hospice on Monday.

00:24:04.970 --> 00:24:11.750
<v Ivan>so and Wednesday morning they called me that he passed away hmm that's awful uh,

00:24:13.010 --> 00:24:17.370
<v Ivan>and that was just you know Bob was I posted something online about,

00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:22.550
<v Ivan>look I met him just because I needed somebody to drive a boat I come down here

00:24:22.550 --> 00:24:28.510
<v Ivan>and I didn't I I'm one that knows how to drive a boat I took Sam to the,

00:24:29.530 --> 00:24:33.950
<v Ivan>Virgin Islands on a boat with a compass and a map back then there was no GPS

00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:35.890
<v Ivan>Yes, basically from Puerto Rico.

00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:40.150
<v Ivan>All I had was a, not even a map. I didn't even use a chart. I knew where we were going.

00:24:40.290 --> 00:24:44.450
<v Ivan>I'm like, I just used the, I'm like, ah, we're going to go, we're going to go west. There you go.

00:24:44.530 --> 00:24:44.630
<v Sam>That way.

00:24:45.010 --> 00:24:49.470
<v Ivan>That way. Basically. Just follow the compass. But over here,

00:24:49.470 --> 00:24:53.490
<v Ivan>I didn't know this area and it's like dangerous, honestly.

00:24:54.330 --> 00:24:55.770
<v Ivan>Charts don't show everything.

00:24:56.070 --> 00:25:01.510
<v Emily>You didn't have to jump on an island when you were there somehow that you shouldn't

00:25:01.510 --> 00:25:04.030
<v Emily>have been on, right? like on that trip.

00:25:04.330 --> 00:25:06.270
<v Ivan>Sorry. No, no, no.

00:25:06.810 --> 00:25:10.430
<v Sam>But Yvonne has mentioned we passed within sight of it.

00:25:10.450 --> 00:25:15.690
<v Ivan>Okay, we did pass within sight of it. Yes, we passed actually less than,

00:25:17.110 --> 00:25:19.450
<v Ivan>Probably a couple hundred feet from it.

00:25:19.730 --> 00:25:23.190
<v Emily>Okay. Okay. I've already written this down. We are coming to visit you,

00:25:23.310 --> 00:25:27.410
<v Emily>and you are taking us on a boat. Me and Sammy need to go.

00:25:27.690 --> 00:25:27.970
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:25:28.990 --> 00:25:31.630
<v Sam>He doesn't have the boat anymore. He got rid of it a long time ago.

00:25:31.630 --> 00:25:34.330
<v Ivan>I don't have a boat right now. I've got to buy another boat at some point, but, you know.

00:25:35.130 --> 00:25:38.310
<v Emily>These people tell me to come to Florida, and until I met you,

00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:40.690
<v Emily>I didn't feel like I had a reason.

00:25:41.830 --> 00:25:45.190
<v Ivan>I don't have a boat. My wife wants me to buy another boat, but I don't have

00:25:45.190 --> 00:25:48.730
<v Ivan>a boat right now again. But we did come within a couple of hundred feet,

00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:51.330
<v Ivan>you know, of that island.

00:25:51.510 --> 00:25:55.130
<v Ivan>That island is exactly there. When you leave, if you go to St.

00:25:55.530 --> 00:25:59.990
<v Ivan>Thomas, okay, specifically, and St. Thomas, the U.S. Virgin Islands are a chain of islands.

00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:03.310
<v Ivan>You got St. Thomas, St. John, St. Croix, which is further south where Joe Biden

00:26:03.310 --> 00:26:06.590
<v Ivan>was on vacation recently. But that was like further south. But St.

00:26:07.650 --> 00:26:11.030
<v Ivan>Thomas and St. John are very close.

00:26:11.030 --> 00:26:14.650
<v Ivan>And when you go from the capital of Charlotte, Amalia, to get to St.

00:26:14.790 --> 00:26:20.730
<v Ivan>John, you actually, the passage that you cross in order to go over there goes

00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:22.250
<v Ivan>right by Epstein Island.

00:26:22.850 --> 00:26:28.910
<v Ivan>It's like right by there. OK, so, yeah, it's an island that I saw and passed

00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:33.490
<v Ivan>by many times through there.

00:26:34.050 --> 00:26:37.270
<v Ivan>And I saw the house. I remember you could see the house.

00:26:37.750 --> 00:26:44.590
<v Ivan>But I never in a billion effing years thought that's what was going on at that damn place.

00:26:45.110 --> 00:26:50.630
<v Emily>I mean, I would if there's just a bunch of, like, you know, expensive fucking boats there.

00:26:50.890 --> 00:26:54.130
<v Emily>Excuse my French, but, like, I'd be like, something's going on over there.

00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:58.450
<v Ivan>You know, there's a lot of, listen, a lot of expensive boats out there.

00:26:58.570 --> 00:27:02.570
<v Ivan>And as far as I remember growing up, there was no pedophilia going around,

00:27:02.870 --> 00:27:07.610
<v Ivan>okay, all right, with the people, at least the ones I knew, okay? That's all I know.

00:27:08.390 --> 00:27:10.570
<v Emily>But you know what, though? Like, I look back.

00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Emily>on, you know, we read Virginia's book, right?

00:27:14.540 --> 00:27:19.340
<v Emily>Gouffre's book. And I, all I can think of when I'm like listening to or reading

00:27:19.340 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Emily>her book and thinking back about this time was just, you know,

00:27:23.580 --> 00:27:28.200
<v Emily>Britney Spears growing up in this world of, you know, the Christina Aguilera's,

00:27:28.260 --> 00:27:30.100
<v Emily>the Britney Spears, the feeling.

00:27:30.260 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Sam>I remember, I remember the countdown pages for various female teenage celebrities,

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:42.920
<v Sam>like on the web you could go to like pages and be like how many days until they turn 18 and are legal.

00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Emily>Seriously that.

00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.520
<v Ivan>That that was a thing.

00:27:45.520 --> 00:27:52.320
<v Emily>Oh yeah for like for the olsen twins for britney spears for.

00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Sam>All if if you had a famous.

00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.460
<v Emily>Female celebrity who was a teenager there.

00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:01.340
<v Sam>Were countdowns for like when they turn legal.

00:28:01.340 --> 00:28:04.120
<v Emily>The the way that we were

00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:07.420
<v Emily>like i was treated as like an old millennial

00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:11.760
<v Emily>you know like i remember that like the what we needed how we needed to look

00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:16.740
<v Emily>how we needed to feel what we were jealous of the expectations of women it is

00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:21.120
<v Emily>it's so creepy it's like hindsight's 2020 though too because i didn't see it

00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:26.360
<v Emily>but like looking back and reading the number of quotes that she quotes, like,

00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Emily>the odd songs, you know, in her book.

00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:35.660
<v Sam>Yeah, and, well, you're talking, like, the early aughts. If you go back to the 80s or 90s, it was worse.

00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Sam>Yeah. You know, if you look at a lot of 80s media, like, there are all sorts

00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.860
<v Sam>of movies that have as a theme the older guy and the teenager.

00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:51.420
<v Sam>There's songs going back to the 50s and 60s that have that theme.

00:28:51.540 --> 00:28:57.900
<v Ivan>Look, to be fair, okay, look, in the reverse, Look, I did like older women,

00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:01.620
<v Ivan>okay, especially when I was younger, and I did date.

00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:07.180
<v Ivan>Like, when I was 16, I know more. Once I went out with somebody that was 18, 19, 20.

00:29:07.560 --> 00:29:11.540
<v Ivan>Okay, and when I was 18— By the way.

00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.380
<v Sam>16 and 18 is starting to push it a little bit, but it's still,

00:29:15.380 --> 00:29:17.840
<v Sam>like, within the realm of, eh.

00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:22.700
<v Sam>But, like, what we're really talking about is the 16-year-old with the 30-something guy.

00:29:22.780 --> 00:29:27.340
<v Ivan>Yeah, well, okay, but the girlfriend that you met that I had when we were at

00:29:27.340 --> 00:29:32.240
<v Ivan>Cardi Bell and Sabina, when I was 18, 19, she was 23.

00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:37.020
<v Sam>Right. Well, once you're 18, 19, it's a little bit different, too.

00:29:37.020 --> 00:29:41.100
<v Ivan>Like there's a, there's a lot bigger of a difference that we were 22.

00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:47.480
<v Ivan>Okay. It was like, you know, my point is, you see, I realized why I wasn't interested

00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.140
<v Ivan>in those countdown pages because I liked older women.

00:29:51.820 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Ivan>I was like, no, no, no, I don't want, I don't want young image. No, no.

00:29:55.500 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Ivan>Give me something, you know, give me older. No, no, I don't want to deal with that.

00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:02.180
<v Emily>That's the way to do it.

00:30:02.840 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Ivan>So anyway, so that was it.

00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Sam>And now you're creeping on the 70-year-olds whenever you get a chance.

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Ivan>Right. Exactly. Of course. Yes. Well, listen, the youngest woman I dated,

00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.040
<v Ivan>who is my current wife, because I met her at a party.

00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.740
<v Ivan>Listen, I met her at a party in South Beach where it was a work party,

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.380
<v Ivan>okay, that somebody had bought a condo.

00:30:23.620 --> 00:30:27.180
<v Ivan>Somebody from a friend of mine or a co-worker bought a condo.

00:30:27.320 --> 00:30:30.300
<v Ivan>This was, by the way, this is when condos in Miami Beach were cheap.

00:30:30.520 --> 00:30:33.860
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. This is like 25 plus years ago.

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.600
<v Ivan>and you know bought this little condo whatever and we went there for a party

00:30:38.600 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Ivan>and i met her and i thought she was like i don't know my age or whatever then

00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.600
<v Ivan>i realized she was like i was like eight years older and she was and i was like

00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:47.700
<v Ivan>the heck i'm like i didn't realize that i was you know,

00:30:48.360 --> 00:30:52.360
<v Ivan>but but you know she was of age anyway she was like this was not like you know

00:30:52.360 --> 00:30:56.420
<v Ivan>she's 20 she was in her 20s we were both in our 20s i just thought that she

00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Ivan>was like my age not not eight years younger than I was, you know.

00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Ivan>Damn it. But then we're not getting married.

00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:04.260
<v Emily>God, I always keep you scared of me.

00:31:07.230 --> 00:31:11.990
<v Ivan>Well, Sam, are you going to review a book? I mean, a movie?

00:31:13.050 --> 00:31:17.690
<v Sam>Well, I was going to, but we've sort of like been going on and on and on.

00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:24.410
<v Ivan>No, but we're way behind on your movie reviews. We need to catch up on a movie review. So come on.

00:31:24.810 --> 00:31:25.530
<v Sam>Just one?

00:31:26.410 --> 00:31:28.310
<v Ivan>Yes. Let's get to movie review.

00:31:28.570 --> 00:31:32.390
<v Sam>The next thing is actually a book. It is not a movie.

00:31:32.870 --> 00:31:36.530
<v Ivan>What the heck? My brain actually picked it out. This is, Okay.

00:31:37.010 --> 00:31:38.130
<v Ivan>Somehow, for some reason.

00:31:38.290 --> 00:31:38.830
<v Sam>You got it right.

00:31:39.050 --> 00:31:39.270
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:31:39.890 --> 00:31:43.550
<v Sam>This is one that Alex and I read together.

00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:49.670
<v Sam>As I've mentioned on the show before, all of my book reading at this point,

00:31:50.070 --> 00:31:55.510
<v Sam>both one series I have of ones I'm picking for myself and a separate simultaneous

00:31:55.510 --> 00:32:01.230
<v Sam>series of ones I'm picking for Alex that are mainly books that I liked when

00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:06.270
<v Sam>I was his age that I'm choosing to read again with him. So we got both things going.

00:32:06.450 --> 00:32:13.750
<v Sam>This is from, this actually came up in my list, but then we are continuing the series with him.

00:32:14.130 --> 00:32:18.490
<v Sam>But all of these, by the way, the way we're doing these, despite the fact that

00:32:18.490 --> 00:32:23.230
<v Sam>he's 16 years old right now, is I am reading them out loud to him.

00:32:23.230 --> 00:32:28.590
<v Ivan>This is so ridiculous. I mean, how long does it take?

00:32:28.670 --> 00:32:34.590
<v Ivan>I mean, this has to be the slowest damn process in the history of mankind to go through a book.

00:32:35.170 --> 00:32:39.070
<v Sam>Well, we're doing it in half hour chunks. Like, we do a half hour at a time,

00:32:39.170 --> 00:32:40.130
<v Sam>and I will read for half an hour.

00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:42.470
<v Ivan>So how many pages do you go through in half an hour?

00:32:43.870 --> 00:32:46.910
<v Sam>I don't know. I'm reading on a Kindle. I don't know what a page is.

00:32:46.930 --> 00:32:47.270
<v Emily>It's true.

00:32:49.870 --> 00:32:54.550
<v Emily>I love that idea I read to James when he's driving like you know when we take

00:32:54.550 --> 00:33:00.430
<v Emily>long road trips it's either you know or it's me reading with him I know some

00:33:00.430 --> 00:33:04.750
<v Emily>people can't do that but I'm lucky that I can so I like to read out loud my.

00:33:04.750 --> 00:33:11.990
<v Ivan>Wife on a road trip goes to sleep and we blast like EDM music the whole way

00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:17.910
<v Ivan>on a and my wife somehow figures out how to go to sleep and between us like just go and like on a,

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.660
<v Ivan>on a heater of just bagged music.

00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:28.840
<v Sam>Anyway, to move on, this is a book I liked when I was a teenager.

00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Sam>It's A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le Guin, published originally in 1968.

00:33:36.540 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:42.580
<v Sam>It is a fantasy novel. She wrote both fantasy and science fiction.

00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:49.140
<v Sam>This particular one, reading from Wikipedia, It is regarded as a classic of

00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:53.340
<v Sam>children's literature and of fantasy within which it is widely influential.

00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:00.540
<v Sam>The story is set in the fictional archipelago of Earthsea and centers on a young

00:34:00.540 --> 00:34:05.020
<v Sam>mage named Ged, born in a village on the island of Gaunt.

00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:10.140
<v Sam>He displays great power while still a boy and joins a school of wizardry where

00:34:10.140 --> 00:34:13.640
<v Sam>his prickly nature drives him into conflict with a fellow student.

00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:20.140
<v Sam>During a magical duel, Ged's spell goes awry and releases a shadow creature that attacks him.

00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Sam>The novel follows Ged's journey as he seeks to be free of the creature.

00:34:25.120 --> 00:34:30.600
<v Sam>Anyway, and this is the first of a series of books. It was originally written

00:34:30.600 --> 00:34:35.640
<v Sam>as a one-off, but then she ended up doing a bunch of sequels afterwards.

00:34:36.040 --> 00:34:42.160
<v Sam>And I think back when I was a teenager, I read this first one and maybe the

00:34:42.160 --> 00:34:45.260
<v Sam>second one, but not any further in the series.

00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:49.540
<v Sam>And I didn't, you know, I didn't really remember much from the second one,

00:34:49.600 --> 00:34:54.300
<v Sam>but the first one, you know, was, was impactful for me.

00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Sam>There were several items, there are several bits of it that I remembered,

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:00.460
<v Sam>even though I hadn't read it since I was a.

00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:12.770
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, I remember really noticing and thinking, oh, this is an important

00:35:12.770 --> 00:35:14.690
<v Sam>insight. This is really cool.

00:35:14.870 --> 00:35:16.950
<v Sam>This is whatever. Back when I was a teenager.

00:35:17.310 --> 00:35:22.170
<v Sam>Anyway, reading it again with my son. First of all, I really enjoyed it again.

00:35:22.470 --> 00:35:25.330
<v Sam>Big, huge thumbs up on this one, too.

00:35:25.650 --> 00:35:25.870
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:35:26.070 --> 00:35:31.710
<v Sam>It is sort of a coming of age teenager, goes through an adventure,

00:35:32.310 --> 00:35:36.190
<v Sam>becomes an adult sort of through the process of maturing and figuring out what's

00:35:36.190 --> 00:35:38.750
<v Sam>going on. So it is that kind of story.

00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:43.930
<v Sam>I remember originally sort of being blown away by the ending,

00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:52.630
<v Sam>being like, oh, wow, you know, and reading it now, on the one hand,

00:35:52.630 --> 00:35:57.150
<v Sam>I was like, actually, that ending was kind of telegraphed and obvious.

00:35:57.850 --> 00:36:02.230
<v Sam>But then again, I remember I'd read it before.

00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:03.190
<v Ivan>You read it before.

00:36:03.990 --> 00:36:09.490
<v Sam>And I knew what happened. And so I was anticipating the ending the entire time

00:36:09.490 --> 00:36:10.990
<v Sam>I was reading the book again.

00:36:12.070 --> 00:36:13.850
<v Sam>But I think...

00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:18.390
<v Sam>I think as an adult, having read a lot more things and have gone through a bunch

00:36:18.390 --> 00:36:21.930
<v Sam>of tropes, I probably, you know, anticipated the ending anyway,

00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:24.210
<v Sam>even though, but it's hard to tell.

00:36:24.370 --> 00:36:27.910
<v Sam>Like, what's it, is it really more obvious than I thought it was when I was a teenager?

00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:30.690
<v Sam>Or did I just know the ending because I'd read it before?

00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:35.690
<v Ivan>I'm going to guess that you knew the ending because you had read it before. Yes.

00:36:36.950 --> 00:36:40.130
<v Sam>But anyway, big thumbs up.

00:36:40.230 --> 00:36:43.370
<v Sam>The other thing that I had not

00:36:43.370 --> 00:36:46.070
<v Sam>caught on to at all when I was a

00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:51.990
<v Sam>teenager that I noticed a lot this time and comes specifically because I was

00:36:51.990 --> 00:37:00.510
<v Sam>reading it out loud is how much the word choices were such that it's almost

00:37:00.510 --> 00:37:03.990
<v Sam>obvious it was meant to be read out loud.

00:37:04.290 --> 00:37:09.550
<v Sam>There's a lot of places where there's like a rhythm in the words.

00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:14.050
<v Ivan>What's the age target that the book you think had when you read it?

00:37:14.130 --> 00:37:20.450
<v Sam>The age target was definitely, it was intended as older children, young teenagers.

00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:23.050
<v Sam>That was the target audience for the book original.

00:37:23.770 --> 00:37:28.430
<v Sam>And I think as you go through some of the sequels, it ages up with them a little bit.

00:37:28.710 --> 00:37:37.270
<v Sam>But the thing is, it was, you know, just reading it, it was almost poetic in a variety of places.

00:37:37.470 --> 00:37:40.110
<v Sam>I mean, it was never outright like, I'm reading a poem.

00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:46.350
<v Sam>But it was clear that the author paid a lot of attention to things like the

00:37:46.350 --> 00:37:49.930
<v Sam>cadence of the words, the rhythm that was going on,

00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:53.870
<v Sam>that the fact that when you said it out loud,

00:37:53.870 --> 00:38:01.490
<v Sam>it had more power than if you were just reading it and zooming past the words,

00:38:01.490 --> 00:38:05.690
<v Sam>not thinking about how they were pronounced and how they were said.

00:38:06.510 --> 00:38:12.930
<v Sam>And so that, I kept noticing that over and over and over again as I read this

00:38:12.930 --> 00:38:15.690
<v Sam>book out loud. You know, places where,

00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:20.740
<v Sam>You know, there was alliteration. There was, I keep saying rhythm.

00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:21.860
<v Sam>There was definitely rhythm.

00:38:22.060 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Sam>There were definitely, like, patterns to the tone where all of it sort of came

00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:33.420
<v Sam>together in a way that I noticed because I was reading it out loud. Okay, question.

00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:36.680
<v Ivan>How long did it take you to read the book?

00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Sam>Okay, hold on. I will tell you.

00:38:40.060 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Ivan>I know you know this. I know he knows it. He tracks this.

00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Sam>Yes, I log all these. Let's see.

00:38:46.060 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Ivan>Right. Of course you do.

00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:54.020
<v Sam>And, you know, I should have brought it up already to have that ready, but I didn't.

00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.120
<v Ivan>Come on, Sam.

00:38:56.380 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Sam>I'm going for the logging.

00:38:58.160 --> 00:39:00.140
<v Ivan>I have to cut your pay, Sam, again.

00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:09.400
<v Sam>Yes, definitely. Okay. Wizard of Earthsea began on May 8, 2024,

00:39:10.340 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Sam>finished on March 2, 2025.

00:39:13.120 --> 00:39:16.220
<v Sam>It was 198 pages long.

00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:21.780
<v Sam>It took 298 days to read it. So that's an average of 0.7 pages per day.

00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Sam>Now, keep in mind, keep in mind, this is, we were not reading every day.

00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:28.980
<v Ivan>Right.

00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Sam>I mentioned we would do the half hour of reading maybe once a week or so. So.

00:39:35.080 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Ivan>And then what, did you all of a sudden pack a few, you know,

00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Ivan>like a long reading session where you read out loud for what, an hour or so?

00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Sam>No, no, no. Every, it was always half hour sessions.

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:51.120
<v Sam>So if you estimate, we did a session about once a week and it was 0.7,

00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.220
<v Sam>then 0.7 times seven, about five pages a day.

00:39:55.590 --> 00:39:56.610
<v Ivan>Five pages a day.

00:39:56.770 --> 00:39:58.910
<v Sam>Five pages per half hour session.

00:39:58.910 --> 00:39:59.730
<v Ivan>Per half hour session.

00:40:00.010 --> 00:40:00.070
<v Emily>Okay.

00:40:01.030 --> 00:40:01.510
<v Sam>Approximately.

00:40:01.890 --> 00:40:05.590
<v Emily>There's no judgment here. You know, you gotta.

00:40:06.070 --> 00:40:10.750
<v Ivan>No, no, no. It's just, you know, it's just, I'm always, I'm not judging. I always just laugh.

00:40:11.050 --> 00:40:15.710
<v Ivan>Sam's methods are always like very interesting to, to understand,

00:40:15.710 --> 00:40:21.210
<v Ivan>you know, what, how he, how he goes about to get a task completed, you know.

00:40:21.610 --> 00:40:25.470
<v Emily>See, I don't know is why we've been wasting our time on JK Rowling.

00:40:25.590 --> 00:40:29.890
<v Emily>her bullshit when this existed, you know, when this book's here. And also I needed to.

00:40:30.070 --> 00:40:35.730
<v Ivan>Can I say that I've been at the forefront of the anti-JK Rowling thing because

00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:39.490
<v Ivan>I never wanted to read any of her shit or watch any of her movies.

00:40:39.550 --> 00:40:41.910
<v Ivan>So I consider myself a pioneer.

00:40:42.370 --> 00:40:43.070
<v Emily>Yeah, you are.

00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:46.530
<v Sam>Well, you know, there are similarities. Obviously, this is a wizard who goes

00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:48.850
<v Sam>to a wizarding school and figures out stuff.

00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.890
<v Sam>And, you know, so you got some similarities. And this was, of course, many decades earlier.

00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:58.130
<v Sam>The details are all completely different, of course. But, you know,

00:40:58.190 --> 00:41:01.270
<v Sam>there's definitely some similarities there.

00:41:01.530 --> 00:41:08.470
<v Sam>And I think this is definitely superior in sort of a literary and how well thought

00:41:08.470 --> 00:41:11.770
<v Sam>out it is sort of way to J.K. Rowling.

00:41:13.970 --> 00:41:19.850
<v Sam>And there are also some things. She has complained, the author of this, who died a few years ago.

00:41:19.850 --> 00:41:30.170
<v Sam>But there were a handful of attempts to make made-for-TV movies or miniseries

00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:33.450
<v Sam>or whatever out of this book, and she hated all of them.

00:41:33.710 --> 00:41:34.350
<v Emily>Oh, yeah.

00:41:34.430 --> 00:41:41.810
<v Sam>And one of the reasons she hated him all is that she intentionally made the main character black.

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:48.550
<v Sam>And when they made, like, movies, the miniseries or whatever, they made him white.

00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:53.650
<v Emily>Yeah, he's like, not just white, because I was looking this up because I wanted to see.

00:41:54.410 --> 00:41:59.230
<v Emily>He's like, he's like redhead white. Like, he's as white as you can be.

00:41:59.350 --> 00:42:01.230
<v Emily>It's not even, like, white passing.

00:42:02.110 --> 00:42:04.010
<v Emily>it's like white.

00:42:04.010 --> 00:42:06.870
<v Sam>Yeah and you

00:42:06.870 --> 00:42:09.750
<v Sam>know and i i we are going through the rest

00:42:09.750 --> 00:42:12.610
<v Sam>of the series now we actually just started the third

00:42:12.610 --> 00:42:16.890
<v Sam>book in this series a couple weeks ago but but

00:42:16.890 --> 00:42:20.310
<v Sam>yeah like i have not watched any of the the

00:42:20.310 --> 00:42:23.050
<v Sam>things the the the video remakes of this

00:42:23.050 --> 00:42:25.910
<v Sam>i have put them on my list i will see them

00:42:25.910 --> 00:42:28.830
<v Sam>if they come up but all but apparently she hated

00:42:28.830 --> 00:42:31.790
<v Sam>them she was like upset that she'd sold the rights because

00:42:31.790 --> 00:42:34.690
<v Sam>she was guaranteed that they would do a good job

00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:37.890
<v Sam>and she'd have some creative input and then they didn't do any

00:42:37.890 --> 00:42:43.650
<v Sam>of that um and but but yeah this is it's good stuff i enjoy it and apparently

00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:49.750
<v Sam>this is the only series of hers i've read but she has a bunch of other output

00:42:49.750 --> 00:42:54.610
<v Sam>that she did both in the science fiction and fantasy genres and apparently it's

00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.170
<v Sam>almost all universally really good.

00:42:56.710 --> 00:42:59.330
<v Emily>So they, it sounds like thumbs up.

00:42:59.470 --> 00:43:00.910
<v Ivan>Well, thumbs up for sure.

00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:01.530
<v Sam>Absolutely.

00:43:01.770 --> 00:43:04.870
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. So double checking, make sure that we got our preview.

00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:09.650
<v Emily>It also sounds like A24 is currently developing a new TV series with hopes for

00:43:09.650 --> 00:43:11.570
<v Emily>a more faithful rendition.

00:43:12.150 --> 00:43:12.890
<v Sam>Oh, nice.

00:43:13.090 --> 00:43:14.850
<v Ivan>There you go. Hopefully you can fix that.

00:43:15.470 --> 00:43:15.590
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:43:15.750 --> 00:43:18.750
<v Ivan>Well, but to be fair, look, we are. I know.

00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:23.590
<v Ivan>You know, the other day I was hearing somebody complaining about how they portrayed

00:43:23.590 --> 00:43:26.190
<v Ivan>some Cuban or something as a redhead.

00:43:26.330 --> 00:43:29.450
<v Ivan>Look, one of my best friends. I think you met him.

00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:32.010
<v Sam>I met the one you're talking about.

00:43:32.190 --> 00:43:36.050
<v Ivan>Yes, it's a massive redhead and he's 100 percent Puerto Rican.

00:43:36.830 --> 00:43:42.150
<v Sam>Well one of the things she did in this book is she very intentionally she set

00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:47.070
<v Sam>out a world that had a lot of diversity and there were a lot of people you know

00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:49.870
<v Sam>with a whole bunch of different descriptions it is a hell hole.

00:43:49.870 --> 00:43:55.970
<v Ivan>For steve miller sam is what what she said she designed a complete complete

00:43:55.970 --> 00:44:01.470
<v Ivan>the the nightmares of which hannity's nightmares and you know what's his name

00:44:01.470 --> 00:44:04.790
<v Ivan>steve miller and what's that other asshole and fucking fox news i keep forgetting

00:44:04.790 --> 00:44:09.750
<v Ivan>for for an idea the other the other fucker i care tucker oh tucker carlson the one they took.

00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:13.310
<v Sam>Off now the one thing i did read in her introduction is

00:44:13.310 --> 00:44:16.150
<v Sam>that after the fact after this first book

00:44:16.150 --> 00:44:19.470
<v Sam>came out and was very popular and whatever she realized

00:44:19.470 --> 00:44:22.330
<v Sam>and criticized herself for being

00:44:22.330 --> 00:44:25.310
<v Sam>a female author who created a very male book

00:44:25.310 --> 00:44:30.130
<v Sam>for the first book well there are a couple of female characters but they're

00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:35.370
<v Sam>secondary or even tertiary characters and so she corrected that in the second

00:44:35.370 --> 00:44:39.910
<v Sam>book and there was a major female character in the second book but but she's

00:44:39.910 --> 00:44:42.410
<v Sam>like what the hell am i doing you know.

00:44:43.290 --> 00:44:47.030
<v Emily>George rr martin says that to people all the time you know i mean he's creating

00:44:47.030 --> 00:44:50.410
<v Emily>like i don't know it's kind of weird to me sometimes hearing the stories about

00:44:50.410 --> 00:44:54.250
<v Emily>these women that george rr martin wrote it you know about women but

00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:59.150
<v Emily>Yeah, like, I think good for them. Take a different perspective.

00:44:59.150 --> 00:45:02.870
<v Ivan>Sometimes, look, like I've mentioned that we talked about this here sometimes.

00:45:02.870 --> 00:45:06.750
<v Ivan>So we have these subconscious bias and things that are created to us,

00:45:06.830 --> 00:45:11.430
<v Ivan>even including ourselves, about who we should be and how should something be

00:45:11.430 --> 00:45:13.570
<v Ivan>portrayed and who should be in it.

00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:18.270
<v Ivan>Just because culturally, that's what's been told to us. And that's what we,

00:45:18.290 --> 00:45:19.970
<v Ivan>you know, go and project.

00:45:20.330 --> 00:45:23.310
<v Ivan>So, but it's, you know, and we don't sometimes, sometimes we don't,

00:45:23.390 --> 00:45:26.110
<v Ivan>we don't even think about it. It's not, not even, it's not conscious.

00:45:26.490 --> 00:45:32.190
<v Ivan>So, no, well, but she fixed it. But she realized it and fixed it. So that's good.

00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:35.230
<v Emily>It sounds like she has a lot more self-awareness than J.K.

00:45:35.370 --> 00:45:40.770
<v Emily>Rowling. And I'm like, want to make this person, sorry, Ursula, let's help her.

00:45:41.890 --> 00:45:46.190
<v Emily>I know that she's no longer with us, but yeah.

00:45:46.350 --> 00:45:49.310
<v Ivan>Maybe her family is like, make a buddy off of this. I don't know.

00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:51.070
<v Ivan>They're good people. Who knows?

00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:54.590
<v Emily>I'm excited to read this. I've been wanting another good fantasy book.

00:45:54.690 --> 00:45:58.830
<v Emily>And I think it's really cool that it's, you know, from the 60s, you know.

00:46:00.550 --> 00:46:06.050
<v Sam>And presumably, you won't read it half hour a time a week or two apart.

00:46:06.350 --> 00:46:10.090
<v Sam>And so it'll take you less than 298 days to read it.

00:46:10.430 --> 00:46:15.650
<v Sam>It's actually a relatively short book and a relatively quick read if you just

00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:16.970
<v Sam>pick it up and read it normally.

00:46:17.570 --> 00:46:20.930
<v Emily>I'll let you know if I feel like the ending is surprising.

00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:25.590
<v Sam>There you go. Let me know. Like, yeah. Yeah.

00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:31.390
<v Sam>And it wasn't just surprising. I mean, even as a teenager, I might have seen

00:46:31.390 --> 00:46:37.610
<v Sam>it coming, but it was sort of, it was still sort of a powerful ending, I thought.

00:46:37.930 --> 00:46:38.030
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:46:38.170 --> 00:46:44.470
<v Sam>But again, that's my teenage brain talking, a little less so rereading it,

00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:46.330
<v Sam>but, you know, whatever, you know.

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.360
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.720
<v Sam>Okay. Shall we take a break and then start?

00:46:53.220 --> 00:46:53.580
<v Emily>Sorry.

00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:56.560
<v Ivan>No, no, no. You're good. You're good. Say hi.

00:46:57.240 --> 00:47:00.020
<v Sam>Okay. Ready? Ready? Ready for a break?

00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:00.620
<v Emily>Ready.

00:47:00.660 --> 00:47:01.500
<v Ivan>Ready for a break.

00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:01.980
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.300
<v Sam>Okay. Here comes the break. And then when we come back, Emily,

00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:06.900
<v Sam>we'll let you pick a topic first.

00:47:07.080 --> 00:47:10.460
<v Sam>Oh, I don't have to. Yeah, we got a lot of stuff going on this last week.

00:47:10.600 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Ivan>Okay. Yeah. If you go to the show topics list, you can pick some stuff or you can just pick.

00:47:15.660 --> 00:47:18.660
<v Emily>You know. Okay. I'll tell you. I already know.

00:47:18.700 --> 00:47:22.860
<v Sam>Yeah, because we got Minnesota. We got Greenland. We've got Venezuela.

00:47:23.180 --> 00:47:28.520
<v Sam>We've got Iran. We've got like, we got all kinds of stuff. We got all kinds of stuff.

00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Ivan>Where are my anti-cortisol pills? God's sakes.

00:47:32.780 --> 00:47:36.500
<v Emily>I'm going to let you guys know what's up. I'm going to be like, tell me what happened.

00:47:36.660 --> 00:47:41.780
<v Emily>I know kind of everything, but like someone dive deep because I could not this week.

00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.040
<v Sam>Okay, here's the break. Back after this.

00:48:05.210 --> 00:48:10.390
<v Ivan>Oh, God. It's the break we wind up with. Excellent. Thank you, Sam. Okay, great.

00:48:10.690 --> 00:48:17.610
<v Sam>Of course. It's beautiful. Okay, we are back. So, Emily, what have you chosen?

00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:20.830
<v Emily>I want to talk about Kristen's cinema.

00:48:22.050 --> 00:48:26.830
<v Ivan>Oh, that fucking... Okay. Oh, that's... Okay.

00:48:27.110 --> 00:48:30.770
<v Ivan>Well, there you go. You know, this is good, so we don't have to talk about something depressing.

00:48:31.270 --> 00:48:34.270
<v Emily>We can talk... Everything's depressing, even this.

00:48:34.270 --> 00:48:39.570
<v Ivan>No, no, no, not this. Because, you know, at least we can shit on this fucking bitch, for God's sakes.

00:48:40.490 --> 00:48:44.110
<v Ivan>I, you know, it is the, I must say,

00:48:44.750 --> 00:48:50.490
<v Ivan>one of the things that, to this day, still, I always, when I think of cinema,

00:48:50.870 --> 00:48:57.530
<v Ivan>that really, really, really pisses me off, to no end, is how she,

00:48:57.850 --> 00:49:03.930
<v Ivan>just like a lot of her Republicans that have been,

00:49:04.270 --> 00:49:09.170
<v Ivan>recent additions to the Senate and House, their main focus is getting fucking rich.

00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:17.170
<v Ivan>OK, I mean, she came in with a net worth of bupkis into the Senate and left

00:49:17.170 --> 00:49:19.010
<v Ivan>with tens of millions of dollars.

00:49:19.070 --> 00:49:22.970
<v Ivan>And you're trying to fucking tell me that this was out of just,

00:49:23.230 --> 00:49:28.270
<v Ivan>you know, not insider trading or not, you know, bullshit.

00:49:28.590 --> 00:49:34.250
<v Ivan>OK, and so many of them have been doing this recently, especially in the G.

00:49:34.270 --> 00:49:40.410
<v Ivan>Because, you know, AOC hasn't done that. You've seen her financial filings.

00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:45.070
<v Ivan>I know that my representative, you know, over here, you know,

00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:51.590
<v Ivan>that I sat beside her in coach many times flying, wasn't also doing that either, okay?

00:49:51.870 --> 00:49:59.430
<v Ivan>But, yeah, but she, what, I mean, I saw the lawsuit and I'm going, what the fuck?

00:50:00.020 --> 00:50:07.140
<v Sam>Okay, fill us in the details. I know some of it. Let me read the article title.

00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Emily>The article title says, MDMA and steamy texts alleged as ex-senator sued over Trist with Bodyguard.

00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Sam>What publication was that in?

00:50:21.240 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Emily>Well, it's in Raw Story, so that seems pretty right based on.

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:31.220
<v Sam>So Raw Story doesn't ever do their own reporting. They summarize other places

00:50:31.220 --> 00:50:32.680
<v Sam>and link to it. But you can find it there.

00:50:34.080 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Ivan>But there was a lawsuit that claimed that I, and I know I, didn't I share this?

00:50:41.120 --> 00:50:44.660
<v Ivan>I don't think I shared it under the news side. That's why, because I didn't

00:50:44.660 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Ivan>think it was like really news.

00:50:46.700 --> 00:50:53.480
<v Ivan>But it was like, they talked about that some, who was it that sued her over this?

00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:58.580
<v Emily>His wife, and it was a controversial law in North Carolina.

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Sam>The wife of the person she had the affair. So she got involved with,

00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:08.260
<v Sam>like, one of her bodyguards or something, and it was the bodyguard's wife, right, who's suing?

00:51:08.860 --> 00:51:09.260
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:11.080
<v Sam>Yes, that sounds right.

00:51:12.580 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Emily>North Carolina law allows a person to be held liable for malicious interference in a marriage.

00:51:20.060 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Emily>That's an interesting, I mean, it's controversial because like, yeah.

00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Ivan>Okay, so here, I found a story because, I don't know, for some reason I didn't find a link on our Slack.

00:51:32.720 --> 00:51:39.780
<v Ivan>But MDMA, the title, MDMA and Steenie Tex alleged as ex-senators sued over Tristwith Bodyguard.

00:51:47.240 --> 00:51:53.740
<v Ivan>A former lawmaker was accused of sending sexual text messages using MDMA and

00:51:53.740 --> 00:51:59.580
<v Ivan>having sex with her former bodyguard in a lawsuit filed against her for alienation of affection.

00:52:00.560 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Ivan>Alienation of affection. I loved how that sounds. According to reports Thursday,

00:52:05.180 --> 00:52:07.520
<v Ivan>the lawsuit was filed by Heather Amel,

00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:12.340
<v Ivan>Matthew Amel's wife, who alleged in a lawsuit filed in North Carolina that Foreigner

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:18.740
<v Ivan>Senator Kirsten Sinema sent her husband photos of herself wrapped in a towel

00:52:18.740 --> 00:52:23.520
<v Ivan>and recommended via signal messages that he bring MDMA on a work trip to guide

00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:27.060
<v Ivan>him through a psychedelic experience that Daily Beast reported.

00:52:27.060 --> 00:52:33.540
<v Ivan>The ex-bodyguard's wife also alleges Sinema was having sexual relations with

00:52:33.540 --> 00:52:34.560
<v Ivan>other security members.

00:52:34.660 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Ivan>So this was like some kind of security orgy that was going on.

00:52:38.680 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Ivan>The alienation of affection lawsuit falls under a controversial North Carolina

00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.520
<v Ivan>law that allows a person to be

00:52:44.520 --> 00:52:47.880
<v Ivan>held liable for malicious interference in a marriage, the Beast reported.

00:52:48.340 --> 00:52:52.000
<v Ivan>Heather also claimed in the allegations that Sinema told her husband she could

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Ivan>help him overcome his mental health challenges after his U.S.

00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Ivan>Army service. Yes, I can see how she was helping.

00:53:00.010 --> 00:53:05.090
<v Ivan>Mental health challenges. Sinema served in the U.S. House of Representatives, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:05.370 --> 00:53:11.610
<v Ivan>So anyway, yes, apparently she was, you know, having orgies and drug parties

00:53:11.610 --> 00:53:13.890
<v Ivan>with her security staff.

00:53:17.210 --> 00:53:18.610
<v Emily>What a fucking idiot.

00:53:18.730 --> 00:53:22.270
<v Ivan>Sounds like she should have been a Republican. I don't understand how the hell you wound up with her.

00:53:22.810 --> 00:53:24.030
<v Emily>She was getting there.

00:53:24.530 --> 00:53:30.570
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, you know, but I'm confused. Am I confusing her?

00:53:30.650 --> 00:53:31.890
<v Sam>What's she up to anyway?

00:53:32.670 --> 00:53:33.110
<v Emily>What?

00:53:34.330 --> 00:53:39.370
<v Sam>I was thinking the same thing, but I think she was always advertised herself as bi.

00:53:39.430 --> 00:53:41.850
<v Ivan>Oh, she was bi. Okay. All right. Okay.

00:53:42.390 --> 00:53:42.990
<v Emily>I think.

00:53:44.530 --> 00:53:49.970
<v Sam>But my first memory was, wait, wasn't she a lesbian? But I think she was bi.

00:53:50.470 --> 00:53:55.590
<v Ivan>Now I don't know. But yeah, but that was. But you know what?

00:53:56.730 --> 00:54:00.410
<v Ivan>while the details were salacious, honestly, I read it and I'm like,

00:54:00.510 --> 00:54:03.170
<v Ivan>this is not shocking me in one bit. This is, you know,

00:54:04.490 --> 00:54:07.410
<v Ivan>Not really surprised, especially who we're talking about.

00:54:08.190 --> 00:54:08.470
<v Emily>Yeah.

00:54:08.670 --> 00:54:13.410
<v Sam>Well, what's she been up to anyway? She's a lobbyist for like energy firms or something, right?

00:54:13.610 --> 00:54:16.850
<v Emily>I don't know. You got to do something after that failure.

00:54:17.290 --> 00:54:20.330
<v Ivan>You know what? Something. Listen, let me see. What is she doing?

00:54:21.470 --> 00:54:25.510
<v Ivan>I'm looking it up because usually these people wind up being partners in some

00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:29.910
<v Ivan>damn law firm where they wind up getting paid millions of dollars or something.

00:54:30.070 --> 00:54:31.810
<v Ivan>Just like career after elected office.

00:54:32.530 --> 00:54:37.050
<v Ivan>Sinema joined Coinbase. Oh, crypto. Jeez. You know, fucking tracks.

00:54:37.270 --> 00:54:37.630
<v Sam>Oh, okay.

00:54:37.750 --> 00:54:41.870
<v Ivan>Global Advisory Council to advocate for the cryptocurrency industry and help

00:54:41.870 --> 00:54:43.370
<v Ivan>it coordinate with U.S. lawmakers.

00:54:43.590 --> 00:54:50.650
<v Ivan>Gee, another shocking development is that she's peddling crypto. Okay.

00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:57.550
<v Emily>Wow. Can someone know what a proudest socialist is? Because she called herself that in 2004.

00:54:57.930 --> 00:54:59.190
<v Ivan>What the fuck does that even mean?

00:54:59.310 --> 00:55:00.010
<v Emily>I don't know.

00:55:01.970 --> 00:55:05.230
<v Sam>It means she's a socialist, but she likes expensive stuff.

00:55:07.390 --> 00:55:11.210
<v Emily>Everybody, you get a Prada, you get a Prada, you get a Prada.

00:55:11.250 --> 00:55:18.290
<v Ivan>I mean, that was the one thing I kept saying. Look, I had this dinner with some

00:55:18.290 --> 00:55:24.350
<v Ivan>friends of mine, executives at a few different companies around here.

00:55:24.450 --> 00:55:28.970
<v Ivan>And we were talking that we had a few of our wives and kids that they were talking about.

00:55:28.970 --> 00:55:32.650
<v Ivan>you know they were all like talking like they were all these socialists but

00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:36.610
<v Ivan>they were socialists and they are you know with their expensive watch and bag

00:55:36.610 --> 00:55:41.050
<v Ivan>and shit or whatever and we're going what the fuck are you assholes talking

00:55:41.050 --> 00:55:46.530
<v Ivan>about you guys have with Louis Vuitton bags and shit or whatever you're talking

00:55:46.530 --> 00:55:48.130
<v Ivan>like socialists what are you,

00:55:49.350 --> 00:55:57.330
<v Ivan>what is that bullshit yeah why why it's disgusting yeah yeah well although i.

00:55:57.330 --> 00:56:00.930
<v Emily>Love listening to the every outfit podcast it's one of my favorite and they

00:56:00.930 --> 00:56:05.170
<v Emily>uh talk fashion all the time but it's like something i i don't have or care

00:56:05.170 --> 00:56:09.750
<v Emily>about like i'm like i got this at the thrift store that is it that's where i'm going.

00:56:09.750 --> 00:56:13.610
<v Ivan>You could be a fashionista from shit from the from the thrift store let me tell

00:56:13.610 --> 00:56:16.770
<v Ivan>you something it does not require money exactly.

00:56:16.770 --> 00:56:21.190
<v Emily>Yeah well i know and i love but i love my vogue magazines but i'm still never

00:56:21.190 --> 00:56:25.310
<v Emily>gonna be that person unfortunately i like just looking at it.

00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:28.190
<v Ivan>No but my whole thing is these people that

00:56:28.190 --> 00:56:33.750
<v Ivan>go and like oh i am a proto social listen this is fucking bullshit and and i

00:56:33.750 --> 00:56:37.170
<v Ivan>mean i'm sorry every time that you saw her dressed up and you're saying listen

00:56:37.170 --> 00:56:41.710
<v Ivan>this outfit cost how many thousands of dollars every fucking time you saw her

00:56:41.710 --> 00:56:47.910
<v Ivan>because Don't give me this shit that you're the socialist defender or whatever the fuck.

00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:51.970
<v Ivan>Every time I see you dress, it's costing like $5,000 for every outfit that you're

00:56:51.970 --> 00:56:53.890
<v Ivan>wearing, including a purse. Give me a fucking break.

00:56:54.090 --> 00:56:56.490
<v Ivan>No. And of course, now she's peddling crypto.

00:56:56.930 --> 00:56:59.530
<v Emily>But also, why would she ever say that she's a socialist?

00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:03.770
<v Sam>If you remember, if you remember when she was first senator,

00:57:04.590 --> 00:57:10.350
<v Sam>wasn't there a brief blip of like publicity or news articles over the fact that,

00:57:10.510 --> 00:57:13.030
<v Sam>you know, she was selling outfits on eBay or something?

00:57:13.250 --> 00:57:14.670
<v Ivan>That's right. That's right.

00:57:15.210 --> 00:57:20.450
<v Sam>Like, worn once by Kyrsten Sinema, you can buy this for, like, $600 or whatever.

00:57:21.850 --> 00:57:26.310
<v Ivan>Probably paid with campaign funds, actually. You know, I wouldn't be surprised.

00:57:26.650 --> 00:57:31.370
<v Emily>Those are the people that drive me fucking. Also, I'm sorry,

00:57:31.450 --> 00:57:37.230
<v Emily>but, like, wasn't she, isn't she, like, a, where, why would she ever say that she was a socialist?

00:57:37.430 --> 00:57:42.070
<v Emily>Am I, like, maybe I'm forgetting something because, like, even a Prada socialist,

00:57:42.450 --> 00:57:44.770
<v Emily>because isn't she just a horrible Democrat?

00:57:44.770 --> 00:57:47.270
<v Ivan>But listen, listen, listen.

00:57:47.510 --> 00:57:53.750
<v Sam>So this was one of the things that came up after she was elected originally,

00:57:53.750 --> 00:57:57.950
<v Sam>because she campaigned as a lefty.

00:57:58.330 --> 00:58:03.330
<v Sam>And then as soon as she got into office, she started moving right quickly.

00:58:03.910 --> 00:58:09.330
<v Sam>And then immediately started figuring out the place where she could...

00:58:10.170 --> 00:58:13.930
<v Sam>I guess, you know, tying into what Yvonne started this conversation with,

00:58:14.270 --> 00:58:19.670
<v Sam>tying into the grift part of it, the way that she could leverage her position

00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:25.790
<v Sam>the most was to be right on the edge and the key vote for things.

00:58:25.790 --> 00:58:28.710
<v Sam>where she could she could then say like

00:58:28.710 --> 00:58:32.570
<v Sam>you need me and therefore you

00:58:32.570 --> 00:58:39.050
<v Sam>know you can you know and so she put herself her and mansion were the key votes

00:58:39.050 --> 00:58:45.390
<v Sam>that the democrats needed anything almost anything and so she put herself in

00:58:45.390 --> 00:58:51.210
<v Sam>the position where you know depending on who would do what for her,

00:58:51.510 --> 00:58:55.030
<v Sam>she might change what she was thinking in that key spot.

00:58:55.390 --> 00:58:59.150
<v Emily>Well, that's what you get from Arizona. No, that's Arizona.

00:58:59.150 --> 00:59:03.050
<v Ivan>Oh, come on. We got Mark Kelly. He's not anywhere nearly as bad now as this.

00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:07.110
<v Emily>We love their freeways, though. That place is ridiculous. I can't drive.

00:59:07.250 --> 00:59:10.470
<v Emily>I don't like the roads there. That's my complaint about Arizona.

00:59:10.970 --> 00:59:13.550
<v Ivan>I'll say, listen, I'll say one thing. I've only, I've been to Arizona,

00:59:13.550 --> 00:59:16.270
<v Ivan>I think, only once or once.

00:59:16.410 --> 00:59:19.710
<v Ivan>And I remember that I got in the car at the thermometer. I mean,

00:59:19.850 --> 00:59:23.590
<v Ivan>I'm fine with heat, but I remember that it was 11 o'clock at night and it was

00:59:23.590 --> 00:59:25.790
<v Ivan>over 100 degrees. And I'm like, oh, come on.

00:59:26.330 --> 00:59:28.550
<v Ivan>Give me a break. OK, this is just ridiculous.

00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:35.190
<v Emily>I mean, I can go to a hot place or whatever. I just if you're like like I remember

00:59:35.190 --> 00:59:40.170
<v Emily>James and I went for spring training before I had gone this last November to Arizona.

00:59:40.510 --> 00:59:45.250
<v Emily>And, you know, it was it was Peoria area, you know, a Phoenix area.

00:59:45.690 --> 00:59:49.630
<v Emily>But I I was like guiding him. We had a rental car.

00:59:49.770 --> 00:59:50.750
<v Emily>Like, there's no way you can really

00:59:50.750 --> 00:59:55.250
<v Emily>get around there without having either taking a Waymo, taking a cab.

00:59:55.490 --> 01:00:00.650
<v Emily>Like, their transit sucks. And I said, okay, you're going to turn at the next block. It's coming up.

01:00:01.740 --> 01:00:04.420
<v Emily>It's coming up. It's still coming up.

01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:07.720
<v Ivan>For many miles. So let me get this right.

01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:13.680
<v Ivan>You're blaming her turn into grift on the road network in Arizona.

01:00:14.580 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Emily>I'm saying that I like Mark Kelly, too.

01:00:17.740 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Emily>But the Arizona folks, they love their roads. They love roads. And I can't stand it.

01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:26.040
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:29.020
<v Emily>Separately, Kyrsten Sinema sucks.

01:00:29.860 --> 01:00:30.100
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:34.640
<v Emily>Ruben Gallego. They're on the way up. Mark Kelly, yes. You know,

01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Emily>they do have some good folks there.

01:00:37.720 --> 01:00:43.020
<v Emily>But Mark Kelly wanted more freeway. And I'm like, remind me to tell you never

01:00:43.020 --> 01:00:45.240
<v Emily>to run for president because I don't like that.

01:00:46.330 --> 01:00:53.890
<v Emily>So I'm glad he didn't become the vice presidential nominee is what I'm saying. He was up there.

01:00:55.410 --> 01:00:56.730
<v Ivan>Well, I don't know.

01:00:56.990 --> 01:01:02.670
<v Sam>Okay. So, Emily, do you have another topic for your segment before we take a

01:01:02.670 --> 01:01:03.750
<v Sam>break and let Yvonne pick one?

01:01:03.790 --> 01:01:08.510
<v Ivan>Well, wait, wait. No, we can own one and a break. We've got to pick.

01:01:09.290 --> 01:01:13.590
<v Ivan>You know, we only went like a few minutes. Let's go. Let's pick one other topic.

01:01:14.670 --> 01:01:19.550
<v Sam>Okay. We usually take a break between who is picking, but, like, okay.

01:01:19.550 --> 01:01:20.330
<v Ivan>Let's see. So.

01:01:20.710 --> 01:01:23.730
<v Sam>Unless we're explicitly doing a lightning round. We want to do a lightning round.

01:01:23.790 --> 01:01:26.750
<v Ivan>Go ahead, anyone. Well, we went short on that one, so let's go.

01:01:27.030 --> 01:01:30.550
<v Sam>Yeah, that was short. It was all short. It was, like, 20 minutes.

01:01:30.730 --> 01:01:31.310
<v Sam>What's it? Yeah, go ahead.

01:01:31.470 --> 01:01:31.790
<v Ivan>I know.

01:01:32.170 --> 01:01:33.010
<v Sam>15, 20 minutes.

01:01:33.250 --> 01:01:34.710
<v Ivan>Anyway. Well, let's see. Next.

01:01:35.190 --> 01:01:40.550
<v Sam>Wait. No, no, no. I am wrong. I misread my notes. It's been more like eight to ten minutes.

01:01:40.550 --> 01:01:44.270
<v Ivan>That's what I thought. What are you doing to me, Sam? You're driving.

01:01:45.350 --> 01:01:47.430
<v Sam>You know, math is not my strong point.

01:01:47.430 --> 01:01:53.070
<v Ivan>But that's why we need that math as a service software application that you

01:01:53.070 --> 01:01:57.150
<v Ivan>wanted me to develop and charge $50 a year.

01:01:57.470 --> 01:02:04.370
<v Sam>I shared a joke video from TikTok on the curmudgeon score of Slack of this guy who was like,

01:02:05.290 --> 01:02:09.950
<v Sam>He was setting up a service. It did have a free tier, but for full usage,

01:02:09.950 --> 01:02:14.070
<v Sam>it was $99 a month for a Celsius to Fahrenheit converter.

01:02:15.310 --> 01:02:16.450
<v Ivan>$99 a month.

01:02:16.590 --> 01:02:17.390
<v Sam>But like hardened.

01:02:19.610 --> 01:02:22.850
<v Sam>And then unless you're an enterprise, then you have to call sales.

01:02:22.990 --> 01:02:29.030
<v Ivan>Right. They have to call me. I'll charge. I'll charge. Man. And I'll charge.

01:02:29.030 --> 01:02:35.350
<v Sam>I only shared one video, but he produced a whole series of videos responding

01:02:35.350 --> 01:02:39.210
<v Sam>to people's comments on this and taking himself completely seriously.

01:02:39.310 --> 01:02:42.490
<v Sam>Obviously, it's a joke, but he was taking himself completely serious.

01:02:42.670 --> 01:02:45.250
<v Emily>I feel like you guys could do this without this.

01:02:47.410 --> 01:02:51.790
<v Ivan>I'm like, do we really need to be this precise on our temperature conversions?

01:02:52.190 --> 01:02:54.630
<v Ivan>Really? Is it really not necessary?

01:02:55.250 --> 01:03:00.170
<v Ivan>Do I really need a whole data center in Arizona, you know, in order to crunch

01:03:00.170 --> 01:03:02.010
<v Ivan>the numbers, you know, for this conversion?

01:03:02.890 --> 01:03:05.130
<v Emily>Here's my code. I was like, why do we need this?

01:03:05.350 --> 01:03:09.250
<v Ivan>All right.

01:03:09.650 --> 01:03:11.730
<v Sam>Okay. Anyway, Yvonne, what's next?

01:03:11.850 --> 01:03:14.570
<v Ivan>Look, let's talk about fucking Minnesota. Okay?

01:03:15.270 --> 01:03:16.610
<v Emily>Oh, we're Minnesota.

01:03:18.870 --> 01:03:22.270
<v Ivan>Because, I know, because it sucks.

01:03:23.670 --> 01:03:29.350
<v Sam>And it seems like it's getting worse before it gets better too but okay so bring

01:03:29.350 --> 01:03:33.910
<v Sam>us up to speed there have been a lot of things happening you want me to bring us up to speed?

01:03:34.030 --> 01:03:37.530
<v Ivan>You bring us up to speed because there's been so much shit going on.

01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:45.720
<v Sam>Okay, so let's start with this. You know, for the last year since Trump became

01:03:45.720 --> 01:03:49.260
<v Sam>president, it's been almost exactly a year. Three more days, it'll be a year.

01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:58.000
<v Sam>And Trump has sort of, on the anti-immigration ICE stuff, he's sort of picked

01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:01.600
<v Sam>one location to pick on at a time. You know, he did L.A.

01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:03.980
<v Sam>for a while. He did Chicago for a while.

01:04:04.340 --> 01:04:09.580
<v Sam>There was talk of several other places. But the most recent place that he's

01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:12.400
<v Sam>sort of surged is Minneapolis.

01:04:12.820 --> 01:04:20.680
<v Sam>And he's been sending many hundreds of ICE folks into Minneapolis to do raids

01:04:20.680 --> 01:04:23.340
<v Sam>all over the area. a Minneapolis-St.

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.960
<v Sam>Paul area, suburbs, et cetera, where they're just going around,

01:04:28.100 --> 01:04:32.700
<v Sam>they're doing their normal thing, going around often in unmarked cars,

01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.580
<v Sam>wearing masks, et cetera, et cetera,

01:04:36.200 --> 01:04:42.800
<v Sam>going and basically finding brown people to harass, grabbing them,

01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.460
<v Sam>asking for their papers, et cetera.

01:04:45.460 --> 01:04:50.820
<v Sam>in Minnesota specifically and this has happened in the other places too but

01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:54.740
<v Sam>people don't like this gee you think yeah,

01:04:56.290 --> 01:05:01.470
<v Sam>And not just the brown people being targeted, but also the white folks around

01:05:01.470 --> 01:05:03.410
<v Sam>them, too. Look, let me just say this.

01:05:03.490 --> 01:05:08.070
<v Ivan>I had to live with this for a number of years in Puerto Rico specifically.

01:05:08.510 --> 01:05:16.690
<v Ivan>And the one place where it was stupidly annoying was at the airport when you were taking a flight.

01:05:17.250 --> 01:05:20.750
<v Ivan>Because we are inside the United States. We don't need to.

01:05:20.850 --> 01:05:25.050
<v Ivan>We don't clearing immigration. However, at some point, the fucking CBP people

01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:30.230
<v Ivan>decided to install some people to start asking everybody if you're a fucking U.S. citizen.

01:05:31.090 --> 01:05:36.490
<v Ivan>And they started getting belligerent at one point if you didn't answer, okay?

01:05:37.070 --> 01:05:45.890
<v Ivan>Until one time many years ago, people sued, ACLU sued, and it went all the way to SCOTUS.

01:05:46.070 --> 01:05:51.870
<v Ivan>And SCOTUS actually ruled against CBP and said, you know what? You can't do this.

01:05:52.670 --> 01:05:59.270
<v Ivan>However, since the advent of Trump, it's happened to me more than one occasion

01:05:59.270 --> 01:06:02.790
<v Ivan>that all of a sudden I've been, it hasn't happened recently, but it happened,

01:06:03.190 --> 01:06:07.490
<v Ivan>where I'm boarding a flight to go to Miami and all of a sudden they're asking

01:06:07.490 --> 01:06:12.270
<v Ivan>for people for their fucking papers on a domestic flight in the jetway.

01:06:12.870 --> 01:06:13.430
<v Emily>Wow.

01:06:14.050 --> 01:06:14.270
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:06:15.090 --> 01:06:23.910
<v Sam>So anyway, people have been organizing to basically do peaceful,

01:06:24.270 --> 01:06:26.190
<v Sam>nonviolent interference.

01:06:26.730 --> 01:06:30.490
<v Sam>So one of the common things is people...

01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:37.480
<v Sam>So monitoring where ICE is going, sending out alerts on social media,

01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:42.400
<v Sam>sending out alerts on various apps, and even things on the ground like blowing

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:47.500
<v Sam>whistles and stuff to basically warn people, ICE is coming, hide,

01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:50.640
<v Sam>get out of the way, do whatever you need to do, etc.

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:55.960
<v Sam>One of the things that they have done in some places is sort of intentionally

01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Sam>like create excess traffic on streets where ICE is trying to go.

01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Sam>I'm not going to say explicitly block them, although in some cases they have.

01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:13.440
<v Sam>the particular situation a little bit more than a week ago is that this this

01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:18.500
<v Sam>one woman who was there there are actually conflicting reports whether she was

01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:22.380
<v Sam>explicitly trying to do this or whether she was just leaving her house and was

01:07:22.380 --> 01:07:24.820
<v Sam>at that spot but i gotta be honest i've.

01:07:24.820 --> 01:07:28.420
<v Ivan>Watched that video many times and she seemed that she was just trying to maneuver

01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:33.040
<v Ivan>around there and she wasn't blocking the street let's be clear cars passed around her.

01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:35.140
<v Sam>She was waving people past Yeah.

01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:36.500
<v Ivan>She was waving people past.

01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:42.060
<v Sam>So, but anyway, she got in, you know, they were, they started telling her to

01:07:42.060 --> 01:07:43.900
<v Sam>get out of the way, to move, whatever.

01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:50.640
<v Sam>And as she was, I've seen the video too, as she was apparently trying to start

01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:52.860
<v Sam>to comply, they shot her.

01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.560
<v Sam>Initially, the reports were that she was shot in the face.

01:07:56.980 --> 01:08:02.220
<v Sam>Earlier today, more detail came out. She was apparently shot twice in the chest,

01:08:02.420 --> 01:08:06.860
<v Sam>once in the arm, and perhaps a fourth shot grazing her in the head.

01:08:07.600 --> 01:08:11.560
<v Sam>But, and apparently, the initial reports were also, she was shot twice in the

01:08:11.560 --> 01:08:12.700
<v Sam>face, she was dead instantly.

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.780
<v Sam>No, apparently not. When the paramedics got there.

01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:16.120
<v Ivan>No, she had a pulse.

01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:20.540
<v Sam>She still had a very weak pulse. They were unable to revive her.

01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:27.100
<v Sam>But, but yeah, so, and most likely the injuries would have been fatal no matter what.

01:08:27.100 --> 01:08:32.380
<v Emily>They were supposed to shoot to kill anyways So they fucked that up Sorry, I'm being rude.

01:08:33.150 --> 01:08:34.290
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm just no.

01:08:34.650 --> 01:08:38.770
<v Ivan>No, that's that's that's curmudge's corner. Now you're being you're you're you're

01:08:38.770 --> 01:08:40.250
<v Ivan>you're you're doing our show now.

01:08:40.510 --> 01:08:43.390
<v Ivan>So, yeah, no, no.

01:08:43.850 --> 01:08:47.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, they missed bastards. You know, they failed their training.

01:08:48.350 --> 01:08:52.130
<v Emily>I'm just sick of men saying that to me that like like guns all the time.

01:08:52.290 --> 01:08:54.810
<v Emily>Like, yeah, you're when you shoot, you shoot to kill. I'm like, why?

01:08:55.030 --> 01:08:58.830
<v Emily>Why don't you be good at like not shooting to kill? I'm like shooting someone

01:08:58.830 --> 01:09:02.870
<v Emily>in the leg where they can't go after you or something.

01:09:03.150 --> 01:09:05.410
<v Emily>But whatever, you know.

01:09:06.110 --> 01:09:08.010
<v Ivan>That that thing. Can I be honest?

01:09:09.190 --> 01:09:13.150
<v Ivan>The people that I hear that they talk like about that, about guns shoot to kill,

01:09:13.290 --> 01:09:16.230
<v Ivan>are usually the people that are the least trained in actually using guns who

01:09:16.230 --> 01:09:17.590
<v Ivan>have actually done any shooting.

01:09:18.810 --> 01:09:20.610
<v Ivan>These are just the cowboy idiots.

01:09:20.770 --> 01:09:23.130
<v Emily>They're not good at it either. That's clear.

01:09:24.070 --> 01:09:28.830
<v Sam>So to continue bringing us back up to speed, her name was Renee Good, by the way.

01:09:30.130 --> 01:09:35.570
<v Sam>And, you know, she had just finished dropping off her six-year-old at school.

01:09:35.930 --> 01:09:42.170
<v Sam>She was with her wife. you know etc the wife was there with her when it happened

01:09:42.170 --> 01:09:48.790
<v Sam>but since then things have escalated further because obviously this.

01:09:48.790 --> 01:09:53.850
<v Ivan>Situation wait wait but let's be clear they they went around that incident for

01:09:53.850 --> 01:09:58.210
<v Ivan>they they have claimed that she ran over this guy they have claimed that she

01:09:58.210 --> 01:10:02.670
<v Ivan>and that the guy was hit even though all videos show that that's not the case

01:10:02.670 --> 01:10:04.710
<v Ivan>they had claimed that the guy was in the hospital.

01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:09.130
<v Ivan>They actually published a fucking video narrated by some jackass.

01:10:09.290 --> 01:10:13.830
<v Ivan>Just a complete fabrication of lies about everything that happened in the incident.

01:10:14.450 --> 01:10:21.550
<v Ivan>You know, and it's just, they have completely created this entire fabricated story.

01:10:21.730 --> 01:10:24.910
<v Ivan>Somebody was, I think, in the Bulwark podcast, they were talking that these

01:10:24.910 --> 01:10:29.630
<v Ivan>guys must have this entire, like, fill-in-the-blanks lie form where they have

01:10:29.630 --> 01:10:31.130
<v Ivan>already all this shit ready.

01:10:31.350 --> 01:10:35.530
<v Ivan>Just to put in the names of the new person, Oh, this is the lie that we're going to tell this time.

01:10:35.670 --> 01:10:41.030
<v Ivan>Oh, yes. The guy was like bleeding internally and dying, hit by this person

01:10:41.030 --> 01:10:44.210
<v Ivan>who was, depending on what it was, whether it's the illegal immigrant or the

01:10:44.210 --> 01:10:45.230
<v Ivan>interferer or whatever.

01:10:45.410 --> 01:10:45.810
<v Sam>Blah, blah, blah.

01:10:45.850 --> 01:10:50.290
<v Ivan>And it's just the same prefabricated bullshit story. Yes. They called her a

01:10:50.290 --> 01:10:51.510
<v Ivan>domestic terrorist. Yes.

01:10:51.610 --> 01:10:51.810
<v Emily>Yes.

01:10:52.070 --> 01:10:56.150
<v Ivan>And then as for her wife to be investigated for domestic terrorism,

01:10:56.430 --> 01:10:59.130
<v Ivan>it's just the most preposterous fucking bullshit.

01:10:59.330 --> 01:11:04.230
<v Sam>Yeah. The whole damn thing. A number of federal prosecutors resigned because

01:11:04.230 --> 01:11:08.890
<v Sam>they were being ordered to investigate her and her wife for—

01:11:09.080 --> 01:11:15.780
<v Sam>over this incident at the same time that the feds locked out the local authorities

01:11:15.780 --> 01:11:17.700
<v Sam>from the investigation and the evidence.

01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:25.240
<v Sam>And from all appearances, we're jumping straight to the conclusion that she

01:11:25.240 --> 01:11:28.940
<v Sam>was guilty, the officer was not, and we're not doing any sort of serious investigation.

01:11:29.260 --> 01:11:36.940
<v Sam>There have been some reports that the other ICE officers on the scene very quickly

01:11:36.940 --> 01:11:41.920
<v Sam>cleaned up the evidence and who the hell knows where it is right now, et cetera, et cetera.

01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:45.640
<v Ivan>But here's the thing about this, and I'm a little bit alike,

01:11:46.100 --> 01:11:50.860
<v Ivan>that Minnesota has been very timid in this investigation because clearly there

01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:57.240
<v Ivan>is sufficient video evidence to have that guy charged.

01:11:57.700 --> 01:12:00.460
<v Sam>Okay, without any of the physical evidence.

01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:04.720
<v Ivan>Without anything else. Without anything else. There is sufficient video evidence

01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:11.900
<v Ivan>to have that guy charged and arrested, okay, for that incident, period.

01:12:12.120 --> 01:12:16.020
<v Sam>But Yvonne, J.D. Vance says he has complete immunity.

01:12:16.280 --> 01:12:19.840
<v Ivan>Yeah, what is it? Complete immunity now they call it? Is a new thing now?

01:12:19.900 --> 01:12:22.240
<v Ivan>Now it's complete immunity. It's the new thing.

01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:23.520
<v Sam>I forget the exact word.

01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:26.600
<v Ivan>It's like, you know, it's like new Coke or like new whatever.

01:12:26.740 --> 01:12:30.920
<v Ivan>Now it's complete immunity, you know? The new brand, newly and improved, yes.

01:12:31.180 --> 01:12:34.580
<v Ivan>What's complete immunity? Complete immunities. We can do whatever the fuck we

01:12:34.580 --> 01:12:36.240
<v Ivan>want when we say we want to do it. Yes.

01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:43.240
<v Sam>The theory that has existed for cops for a long time is basically they do have

01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:46.820
<v Sam>immunity from things done in the course of their duties.

01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:52.980
<v Sam>And as this has gone through the courts, that is generally upheld in most situations,

01:12:52.980 --> 01:12:57.760
<v Sam>except when there's something extenuating and it's like, you know,

01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.400
<v Sam>okay, they completely, they weren't doing what they were supposed to.

01:13:01.890 --> 01:13:06.550
<v Ivan>Look, it's like in almost any situation that somebody that is doing their job

01:13:06.550 --> 01:13:13.650
<v Ivan>and it's doing it according to, you know, the rules that exist for that job,

01:13:13.810 --> 01:13:17.790
<v Ivan>that they are usually protected from a lawsuit or legal action.

01:13:17.950 --> 01:13:22.890
<v Ivan>However, there is nothing in this incident that indicates that this guy was

01:13:22.890 --> 01:13:24.230
<v Ivan>doing anything of the sort.

01:13:24.230 --> 01:13:30.870
<v Sam>Well, I mean, one of the things is they, you know, people have published the

01:13:30.870 --> 01:13:35.910
<v Sam>actual ICE guidelines for how to deal with vehicles and situations like this.

01:13:36.010 --> 01:13:39.550
<v Sam>And the guy violated every rule in ICE's own guidelines.

01:13:39.810 --> 01:13:44.850
<v Ivan>Exactly. Exactly. Violated their own guidelines completely. So that's my point.

01:13:44.970 --> 01:13:47.530
<v Ivan>There is nothing in there that the guy has done.

01:13:48.050 --> 01:13:51.010
<v Sam>But, you know, one of the media outlets, I forget which one,

01:13:51.130 --> 01:13:53.130
<v Sam>maybe it was the New York Times, maybe it was somebody else,

01:13:53.710 --> 01:14:00.970
<v Sam>dug up 14 other incidents of ICE or Border Patrol interacting with vehicles

01:14:00.970 --> 01:14:02.830
<v Sam>over the last few months.

01:14:03.350 --> 01:14:10.590
<v Sam>And this exact situation, absent the gunshots at the end, has replayed,

01:14:10.750 --> 01:14:14.030
<v Sam>well, even absent the person dying at the end.

01:14:14.030 --> 01:14:16.830
<v Sam>like there were something like 14 of

01:14:16.830 --> 01:14:19.770
<v Sam>these and i believe it was in a majority of

01:14:19.770 --> 01:14:22.570
<v Sam>them they actually did end up shooting into the car even though they're

01:14:22.570 --> 01:14:29.110
<v Sam>not supposed to it's just the people survived and you know and so this is a

01:14:29.110 --> 01:14:33.570
<v Sam>pattern of behavior regardless of what the guidelines are and it's becoming

01:14:33.570 --> 01:14:40.730
<v Sam>increasingly clear that even when the administration officially does have guidelines,

01:14:40.970 --> 01:14:44.350
<v Sam>the actual guidance to people on the street,

01:14:44.930 --> 01:14:46.890
<v Sam>is, oh, ignore all that shit.

01:14:47.150 --> 01:14:50.250
<v Sam>Just do what you need to do and be badasses.

01:14:51.410 --> 01:14:57.030
<v Sam>Go crack heads. Oh, and by the way, mandate to everybody, get as much video

01:14:57.030 --> 01:15:02.890
<v Sam>as you can because we want to be able to publicize this and make people scared

01:15:02.890 --> 01:15:03.850
<v Sam>and all that kind of stuff.

01:15:03.990 --> 01:15:09.350
<v Sam>And in fact, one of the issues going on with this one is the cop that did the cop,

01:15:09.610 --> 01:15:16.470
<v Sam>the ice person, they're not cops, who did this, was videoing on his phone with

01:15:16.470 --> 01:15:20.070
<v Sam>one hand while he was shooting her with the other, and.

01:15:20.940 --> 01:15:22.420
<v Emily>And and they.

01:15:22.420 --> 01:15:24.320
<v Sam>And they released the video.

01:15:24.320 --> 01:15:26.000
<v Emily>Thinking it would make them look good,

01:15:31.340 --> 01:15:34.520
<v Emily>they're so stupid but there's also stupider

01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:37.440
<v Emily>people out there that are like sitting there

01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:41.000
<v Emily>repeating this nonsense over and over my friend who

01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:44.060
<v Emily>works in the same like democratic policy and public

01:15:44.060 --> 01:15:47.200
<v Emily>spaces as me she was like

01:15:47.200 --> 01:15:50.660
<v Emily>my dad was like oh she was a domestic terrorist and

01:15:50.660 --> 01:15:54.680
<v Emily>i showed him videos and then he was like i don't know why she was shot like

01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:59.720
<v Emily>literally just showing someone like the truth actually like helped that person

01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Emily>in that situation they're not seeing the same things that we're seeing that's

01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:07.900
<v Emily>what's really scary and they're not having those experiences like we are And it's all.

01:16:07.900 --> 01:16:11.100
<v Sam>They hear is J.D. Vance saying domestic terrorist.

01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.860
<v Ivan>Yeah. Listen, Emily, they live in a completely alternate reality.

01:16:15.320 --> 01:16:19.460
<v Ivan>You know, it is everything that they look at is just, you know,

01:16:19.660 --> 01:16:22.160
<v Ivan>it's crazy. You know, it's like every once in a while.

01:16:22.340 --> 01:16:26.900
<v Ivan>I don't I don't try to do this very often. I have this four up thing on my TV

01:16:26.900 --> 01:16:29.860
<v Ivan>that I that I have here in my office where they've got like,

01:16:29.980 --> 01:16:31.860
<v Ivan>say, the different news feeds.

01:16:32.040 --> 01:16:35.960
<v Ivan>And I'm usually watching the business feeds. And so they've got the Fox Business

01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:41.840
<v Ivan>feed versus the CNBC feed versus the Bloomberg feed and some other channel that

01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:43.420
<v Ivan>is nonsense. I don't even understand.

01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.780
<v Ivan>There's this Cheddar News channel. It's complete nonsense.

01:16:47.140 --> 01:16:50.080
<v Ivan>It makes it that is the most useless channel.

01:16:50.740 --> 01:16:54.040
<v Ivan>I don't even know how to consider that news. But anyway, you know what?

01:16:54.080 --> 01:16:58.300
<v Emily>It's good for a bar at night when you can't.

01:16:58.540 --> 01:16:59.080
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:16:59.710 --> 01:17:04.410
<v Ivan>That's what it's good for. If I'm hammered after quite a few drinks,

01:17:04.630 --> 01:17:06.010
<v Ivan>I'm like, oh, look at this bullshit.

01:17:06.290 --> 01:17:14.150
<v Ivan>Oh, look, maybe, maybe, maybe I could get like this dog crypto shit from Saudi Arabia.

01:17:14.150 --> 01:17:20.150
<v Ivan>And if I buy like five bonds and exchange them for Argentinian currency,

01:17:20.490 --> 01:17:22.810
<v Ivan>maybe I could create this synthetic.

01:17:23.510 --> 01:17:28.730
<v Ivan>Oh, Jesus Christ. It's like anyway. But no, the thing is, Fox News,

01:17:28.870 --> 01:17:31.210
<v Ivan>what they're talking about, you see on the other channels, hey,

01:17:31.370 --> 01:17:36.130
<v Ivan>Jay Powell's being, you know, forced into this. Jay Powell's being arrested over there.

01:17:36.550 --> 01:17:43.470
<v Ivan>The immigrants are invading the North Carolina border today with,

01:17:43.570 --> 01:17:47.250
<v Ivan>you know, and you're like, what? Which, which, what, what invasion?

01:17:47.530 --> 01:17:49.310
<v Ivan>Which one are they talking about now?

01:17:49.770 --> 01:17:57.610
<v Emily>Yeah, it's nuts. I think what's even easier is that the ICE officers now,

01:17:57.850 --> 01:18:01.250
<v Emily>like three or four videos that I've seen of people,

01:18:01.530 --> 01:18:06.090
<v Emily>of the public recording the ICE officers, where the ICE officer is sitting there

01:18:06.090 --> 01:18:09.510
<v Emily>being like, have you learned nothing from the past few days?

01:18:09.630 --> 01:18:12.410
<v Emily>As if they think that is going to...

01:18:13.300 --> 01:18:19.540
<v Emily>you know, deter people. I mean, it will. I mean, yeah, but I think this is actually.

01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:25.880
<v Sam>This is actually key. The ICE folks and the administration for the matter,

01:18:26.020 --> 01:18:31.420
<v Sam>for that matter, think the lesson that you should take out of that is protesters

01:18:31.420 --> 01:18:37.360
<v Sam>should go hide at home and stop doing this because their opposition to ICE is the terrorism.

01:18:38.100 --> 01:18:44.000
<v Sam>Whereas polling has shown The general public responds in exactly the other way

01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:48.380
<v Sam>that, you know, by like a 75-25 sort of margin that,

01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:55.260
<v Sam>no, the lesson here is that, you know, to use a term from years ago,

01:18:55.540 --> 01:19:01.000
<v Sam>I mean, we got a bunch of jackbooted thugs over here that are running rampant

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.180
<v Sam>and are trampling on people's rights, left, right, and center.

01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:11.720
<v Sam>And, you know, these folks who are, I'm not the first one to point this out,

01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.520
<v Sam>but these same folks who are going, don't tread on me and keep the government

01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:19.840
<v Sam>out of everything a few years ago are now saying comply or die.

01:19:20.080 --> 01:19:20.280
<v Ivan>Comply!

01:19:21.020 --> 01:19:21.700
<v Emily>Mm-hmm.

01:19:22.310 --> 01:19:22.730
<v Emily>Yeah.

01:19:22.870 --> 01:19:26.450
<v Sam>You know, and so you were getting at these for me.

01:19:27.010 --> 01:19:27.490
<v Emily>Yeah.

01:19:27.950 --> 01:19:34.390
<v Sam>You were you were getting at these folks, you know, warning the public,

01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:37.670
<v Sam>basically, don't do like she did or you're going to get shot,

01:19:37.690 --> 01:19:42.810
<v Sam>too. But generally speaking, over the last week, there's been escalation.

01:19:42.950 --> 01:19:45.230
<v Sam>The protesters have gotten more mad.

01:19:45.390 --> 01:19:47.910
<v Sam>The protesters are coming out in bigger numbers.

01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:50.090
<v Sam>There have been—.

01:19:50.090 --> 01:19:54.310
<v Ivan>They're sending a thousand more fucking ICE agents to Minnesota,

01:19:54.310 --> 01:19:56.530
<v Ivan>these assholes, for God's sakes.

01:19:57.230 --> 01:20:01.050
<v Sam>Outnumbering the local police forces by almost 10 to 1 at this point.

01:20:01.570 --> 01:20:07.070
<v Sam>And basically, you know, the governor and others have been warning— And they've

01:20:07.070 --> 01:20:11.870
<v Sam>been getting some flack for this, basically saying, look, don't take the bait,

01:20:12.090 --> 01:20:15.070
<v Sam>don't get violent, you know, don't give them what they want.

01:20:15.250 --> 01:20:21.450
<v Sam>Because the administration is telegraphing almost completely obviously that

01:20:21.450 --> 01:20:28.510
<v Sam>what they are hoping for here is to set up a situation where there is a violent

01:20:28.510 --> 01:20:32.930
<v Sam>confrontation and not just their folks shooting some innocent white woman.

01:20:32.930 --> 01:20:40.550
<v Sam>But a confrontation where protesters do something that they can use as an excuse to further

01:20:40.790 --> 01:20:46.530
<v Sam>crackdown. Trump is talking about the Insurrection Act and nationalizing the

01:20:46.530 --> 01:20:54.990
<v Sam>Guard and bringing in regular army and stuff to basically go take over these cities.

01:20:55.170 --> 01:20:59.730
<v Sam>Just a little while before we started recording, I saw that there was a report

01:20:59.730 --> 01:21:07.190
<v Sam>that Trump has instigated a federal investigation of Walls and several other

01:21:07.190 --> 01:21:09.650
<v Sam>Minnesota politicians to...

01:21:09.650 --> 01:21:12.730
<v Ivan>Well, but he did that to news. He's done that to everybody.

01:21:12.830 --> 01:21:16.990
<v Sam>No, no, no. Right now, it's part of his playbook, but that's the point.

01:21:17.150 --> 01:21:24.950
<v Sam>The point is he's using all the aspects of federal power to harass anyone who goes against But.

01:21:24.950 --> 01:21:28.790
<v Ivan>Here is the thing, Sam, but here's the thing. This is the opportunity,

01:21:29.050 --> 01:21:31.370
<v Ivan>Sam, that we have been forgetting, okay?

01:21:31.370 --> 01:21:37.410
<v Ivan>Because as all these people are getting investigated, look, if you want to steal

01:21:37.410 --> 01:21:45.730
<v Ivan>a lot of money and bribe somebody big time all the way, this is the perfect opportunity.

01:21:45.990 --> 01:21:50.030
<v Ivan>And by the way, you will get out of jail. Listen, we should be figuring out

01:21:50.030 --> 01:21:53.170
<v Ivan>a way to steal millions of dollars at this point.

01:21:53.170 --> 01:21:57.830
<v Ivan>Because one thing that's guaranteed is that I will go, if I steal $50 million

01:21:57.830 --> 01:22:04.870
<v Ivan>right now, and I take out $5 million to put into MAGA whatever thing that I

01:22:04.870 --> 01:22:07.950
<v Ivan>need to put in, I will be pardoned.

01:22:08.450 --> 01:22:13.050
<v Sam>Yes. No problem. And by some reports, like, some people are paying $5 million.

01:22:13.110 --> 01:22:17.430
<v Sam>Some people are paying less and still getting, you know, their- Two and a half. Yeah.

01:22:17.450 --> 01:22:20.930
<v Ivan>They pardoned the fucking- Let me tell you, Emily. They pardoned today.

01:22:20.930 --> 01:22:24.590
<v Ivan>the fucking ex-governor of Puerto Rico who was on,

01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:30.820
<v Ivan>Goddamn recorded soliciting a fucking bribe from this Venezuelan banker,

01:22:31.080 --> 01:22:36.380
<v Ivan>okay, for her goddamn campaign in exchange for her terminating an investigation

01:22:36.380 --> 01:22:44.080
<v Ivan>and firing the guy that was the head of the fucking office of financial institutions

01:22:44.080 --> 01:22:47.720
<v Ivan>in Puerto Rico to fire that guy because he's investigating the bank that was

01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:49.000
<v Ivan>a Ponzi scheme and a fraud.

01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.680
<v Ivan>And, oh, by the way, hey, this guy donated $2.5 million to Trump,

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.060
<v Ivan>and all of a sudden he's pardoned and she's pardoned, and they're all out of jail today.

01:22:58.440 --> 01:23:01.760
<v Emily>It's crazy. There's no integrity.

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:06.540
<v Emily>I remember my friend Cindy was running for county auditor, and she was running

01:23:06.540 --> 01:23:09.920
<v Emily>on this, like, bringing integrity because she has so much of it.

01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:13.660
<v Emily>And I was like, no, none of these fucking people care about integrity.

01:23:14.020 --> 01:23:14.700
<v Ivan>Care about integrity.

01:23:15.020 --> 01:23:19.520
<v Emily>They don't do that, unfortunately. can I bring it back to something really quick

01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:21.180
<v Emily>did you talk about oh no well.

01:23:21.180 --> 01:23:22.340
<v Ivan>Sorry we we are.

01:23:22.340 --> 01:23:22.880
<v Emily>Very good.

01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:23.800
<v Ivan>On our tangents.

01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:25.460
<v Emily>Yes okay how.

01:23:25.460 --> 01:23:26.220
<v Ivan>Far are we off.

01:23:26.220 --> 01:23:31.700
<v Emily>This is kind of an old story but I like it I always it always comes to mind

01:23:31.700 --> 01:23:37.840
<v Emily>like I mean it was only January 2025 but did you talk about the Seattle man

01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:43.300
<v Emily>that came to a Sunnyside City Council meeting which Sunnyside is in you didn't

01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:45.700
<v Emily>see that So this was in 2025,

01:23:45.820 --> 01:23:47.920
<v Emily>in January, so early 2025,

01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:52.180
<v Emily>and this man, claiming to be a bounty hunter, made threatening comments at a

01:23:52.180 --> 01:23:55.020
<v Emily>press conference—it was actually at a city council meeting, I understood,

01:23:55.220 --> 01:23:57.400
<v Emily>or as I saw it—saying that a U.S.

01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.420
<v Emily>immigration and custom enforcement plans to deputize and pay private civilian

01:24:01.420 --> 01:24:04.900
<v Emily>forces to detain undocumented immigrants—.

01:24:06.270 --> 01:24:11.050
<v Emily>He said, you can put a price on every human being. Every human is worth a dollar amount.

01:24:11.330 --> 01:24:15.830
<v Emily>He identified himself as Martin Alvarado before being hushed by the city manager

01:24:15.830 --> 01:24:16.990
<v Emily>and residents and attendants.

01:24:17.130 --> 01:24:21.410
<v Emily>He was basically saying, like, they're going to pay us all of this money to

01:24:21.410 --> 01:24:24.830
<v Emily>put people away. What are you going to pay us to protect yourself?

01:24:24.850 --> 01:24:26.130
<v Emily>Because this is what we're doing.

01:24:26.270 --> 01:24:30.650
<v Emily>It was the most frightening thing that I've ever heard happening in Washington state.

01:24:30.850 --> 01:24:34.470
<v Emily>And what was even more frightening is that the city council members that were

01:24:34.470 --> 01:24:39.450
<v Emily>hearing, I mean, he was somebody posted he was warning us, you know, like he was.

01:24:39.630 --> 01:24:42.470
<v Emily>And the council was like, you need to get out of here. You need to get out.

01:24:42.530 --> 01:24:43.390
<v Emily>You're scaring everybody.

01:24:43.610 --> 01:24:47.550
<v Emily>And it was, you know, a predominantly Hispanic council there in the Sunnyside

01:24:47.550 --> 01:24:50.330
<v Emily>area. And it was just, you know, they didn't want to hear anything about it.

01:24:50.390 --> 01:24:51.470
<v Emily>They just wanted him out of there.

01:24:51.550 --> 01:24:56.050
<v Emily>But he was literally explaining what is happening right now and what was happening

01:24:56.050 --> 01:24:57.470
<v Emily>and was going to happen very quickly.

01:24:57.950 --> 01:25:00.810
<v Ivan>Well, well, here's the thing. I don't know. No, it's like, I mean,

01:25:00.990 --> 01:25:05.970
<v Ivan>the thing is, listen, right now, can you really tell the difference if you wound

01:25:05.970 --> 01:25:10.030
<v Ivan>up with a whole bunch of scammers dressed as fucking ICE agents that went around

01:25:10.030 --> 01:25:12.270
<v Ivan>and started grabbing people and then holding them for ransom?

01:25:12.630 --> 01:25:19.310
<v Sam>Well, we have had a couple of verified incidents already where people impersonated

01:25:19.310 --> 01:25:22.910
<v Sam>ICE and did things like that.

01:25:23.190 --> 01:25:28.550
<v Sam>You know, most of them is actual ICE. ICE is acting badly on their own.

01:25:29.190 --> 01:25:32.610
<v Emily>Why can't I go and be ice and just keep letting people go? I mean,

01:25:32.750 --> 01:25:34.950
<v Emily>like, no, man, that's not what was said.

01:25:35.250 --> 01:25:37.510
<v Emily>Like, actually, you got the wrong person.

01:25:37.870 --> 01:25:41.230
<v Emily>That's what I would do. Pretend to be ice and, like, derail their whole act.

01:25:42.700 --> 01:25:47.100
<v Emily>I might get shot, though, so maybe not good. I don't know. Maybe some of the

01:25:47.100 --> 01:25:50.220
<v Emily>men can do it. Maybe I can't sell it. I don't think I could.

01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:54.760
<v Emily>I wanted to say this real quick. How are you going to stop us from coming through?

01:25:54.780 --> 01:25:56.780
<v Emily>Because we don't have to worry about warrants.

01:25:56.820 --> 01:26:00.880
<v Emily>We don't have to really follow too many of the laws. And if we're going to be

01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:04.580
<v Emily>deputized by ICE, we can pretty much do anything we want, he said.

01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:09.460
<v Emily>$1,000 per illegal is a pretty good price just to do things that you kind of

01:26:09.460 --> 01:26:14.020
<v Emily>enjoy how or what are you guys going to do to stop that what are you going to

01:26:14.020 --> 01:26:17.480
<v Emily>do how what are you going to pay us more are you going to pay us two thousand

01:26:17.480 --> 01:26:18.820
<v Emily>dollars just to leave them alone,

01:26:19.480 --> 01:26:22.640
<v Emily>it's crazy sorry i just had to read that part it.

01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.460
<v Ivan>Ain't but it is crazy the whole thing is crazy we are.

01:26:25.460 --> 01:26:26.400
<v Emily>Situation right.

01:26:26.400 --> 01:26:31.240
<v Ivan>Now that is just beyond nuts in terms of you've got an entire,

01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:37.600
<v Ivan>They created this entire parallel military force right now.

01:26:38.320 --> 01:26:41.880
<v Ivan>They had all these issues with, well, we want to send the National Guard,

01:26:41.980 --> 01:26:46.160
<v Ivan>and all the court orders stopped us from sending the National Guard and the

01:26:46.160 --> 01:26:50.180
<v Ivan>military to places, and we got turned away. So how do we scare the cities?

01:26:50.380 --> 01:26:57.620
<v Ivan>Well, now we've got this army of fucking Gestapo people that are called ICE

01:26:57.620 --> 01:27:02.960
<v Ivan>that we are sending and flooding cities with just to scare the living shit out of people.

01:27:03.420 --> 01:27:06.120
<v Sam>Well, and that's the thing with the Insurrection Act as well.

01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:08.100
<v Sam>If he... Not if he, Vaughn.

01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:13.100
<v Sam>If Donald Trump initiates the Insurrection Act...

01:27:13.100 --> 01:27:17.140
<v Ivan>Listen, if I right now have the right to fucking invoke the Insurrection Act,

01:27:17.300 --> 01:27:20.300
<v Ivan>I'm sending it to Washington, D.C., and I'm grabbing this asshole,

01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:24.740
<v Ivan>you know, from his bed and fucking dragging him out on the street and fucking,

01:27:24.740 --> 01:27:27.720
<v Ivan>like, putting him in Fort Leavenworth. without a fucking trial.

01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:30.080
<v Ivan>Then we'll discuss it later.

01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:34.940
<v Sam>The thing is, if he invokes the Insurrection Act, then that is a completely

01:27:34.940 --> 01:27:39.480
<v Sam>different authority for nationalizing the National Guard, and he can also do

01:27:39.480 --> 01:27:43.160
<v Sam>regular military as well that has not gone through court yet.

01:27:43.340 --> 01:27:47.440
<v Sam>Now, obviously, and they're already talking about that, if he does that,

01:27:47.580 --> 01:27:51.120
<v Sam>like, people are talking about the scenario, like, why doesn't Walls bring out

01:27:51.120 --> 01:27:55.680
<v Sam>the National Guard under his command in order to help defend against dice?

01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:59.460
<v Ivan>Because the federal government can nationalize the National Guard that he's fucking, okay?

01:27:59.580 --> 01:28:03.900
<v Ivan>So it's not really a great solution at this point.

01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:09.760
<v Sam>Right. And yes, so we enter a whole

01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:14.840
<v Sam>different universe if Trump actually initializes this insurrection act.

01:28:14.860 --> 01:28:15.540
<v Ivan>What could he do?

01:28:15.900 --> 01:28:19.580
<v Sam>Now, obviously it would instantly go to court again on that as well.

01:28:19.980 --> 01:28:25.340
<v Ivan>Well, right now already, one thing, they've got a court order right now that happened this evening.

01:28:25.340 --> 01:28:32.800
<v Ivan>related to ICE that we had posted on the Slack specifically where a federal

01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:35.540
<v Ivan>judge restricted immigration agents' actions,

01:28:36.090 --> 01:28:40.030
<v Ivan>Towards protesters, specifically, you know, restricting a whole bunch of the

01:28:40.030 --> 01:28:44.710
<v Ivan>shit that they had been doing where they had been using force against peaceful

01:28:44.710 --> 01:28:48.710
<v Ivan>protesters, where they had been like, just because people were peaceably protesting,

01:28:49.170 --> 01:28:51.730
<v Ivan>they had been tear gassing them, attacking them, doing whatever.

01:28:52.390 --> 01:28:56.470
<v Ivan>And there was a judge order today that they could not be using those broad dispersal

01:28:56.470 --> 01:29:00.150
<v Ivan>tools, that they couldn't be like, you know, doing this thing on the road where

01:29:00.150 --> 01:29:03.050
<v Ivan>they were like, like what they did to Renee Good. But basically,

01:29:03.270 --> 01:29:06.350
<v Ivan>that was the order tonight. Of course, I'm wondering if it's going to be challenged.

01:29:06.350 --> 01:29:11.290
<v Sam>I'm sure it will be appealed. I mean, if we follow the pattern of all of these

01:29:11.290 --> 01:29:16.690
<v Sam>other court things that have happened, whether or not there's an order in effect

01:29:16.690 --> 01:29:20.430
<v Sam>will go back and forth as it works its way up the courts.

01:29:20.830 --> 01:29:24.370
<v Sam>And then eventually, most of these will get to SCOTUS.

01:29:26.370 --> 01:29:30.850
<v Sam>And eight times out of ten, they're siding with Trump.

01:29:30.850 --> 01:29:34.110
<v Ivan>Here is the one thing that's happening right now.

01:29:34.630 --> 01:29:43.710
<v Ivan>This entire thing has gone from a nuisance into something that is hated by the

01:29:43.710 --> 01:29:45.190
<v Ivan>majority of Americans, okay?

01:29:45.410 --> 01:29:51.790
<v Ivan>It is supported by a very, you know, in terms of who says this is good right

01:29:51.790 --> 01:29:55.050
<v Ivan>now, the polling has this down to like 25%.

01:29:55.050 --> 01:29:55.770
<v Emily>Okay?

01:29:55.770 --> 01:30:01.550
<v Sam>And I said 75, 25 earlier, but to be clear, it's actually more like 56,

01:30:01.770 --> 01:30:04.070
<v Sam>25, and then a bunch of people in the middle who always say,

01:30:04.150 --> 01:30:06.250
<v Sam>I don't know, I don't know what's going on.

01:30:06.590 --> 01:30:09.770
<v Ivan>No, but those people always don't know anything, whatever.

01:30:09.930 --> 01:30:12.250
<v Ivan>They got their head up their ass their entire life. So, you know,

01:30:12.410 --> 01:30:16.230
<v Ivan>it won't happen. But you've got a situation where...

01:30:16.860 --> 01:30:24.120
<v Ivan>I shared that chart on the Slack of what has happened to Trump's disapproval this last two weeks.

01:30:24.480 --> 01:30:32.020
<v Ivan>It has skyrocketed. Like, I've never seen such a surge in a brief amount of time.

01:30:32.300 --> 01:30:35.460
<v Ivan>People are angry, okay? People are pissed.

01:30:36.020 --> 01:30:40.000
<v Ivan>There are people that I've ever heard of basically calling these guys the Gestapo.

01:30:40.340 --> 01:30:47.820
<v Ivan>People just disapproving of this en masse. And so The pressure on This kind

01:30:47.820 --> 01:30:53.880
<v Ivan>of shit continuing You know is ratcheting up Significantly across the board I know that,

01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:59.460
<v Ivan>One thing that could be done And some people started discussing is We gotta

01:30:59.460 --> 01:31:06.100
<v Ivan>cut the fucking funding off this thing Okay The money has to be This shit where

01:31:06.100 --> 01:31:11.740
<v Ivan>all this money Got given to ICE This money needs to be cut As soon as possible Yeah.

01:31:12.440 --> 01:31:18.160
<v Sam>Well, and here's the thing of this, you know, there, you are definitely hearing

01:31:18.160 --> 01:31:22.520
<v Sam>a few Republicans wavering on this now in the Congress.

01:31:23.820 --> 01:31:29.820
<v Sam>The question is, you know, is it enough? And can, you know, now Democrats can,

01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.040
<v Sam>the one point of leverage they have, even if they don't get any Republicans,

01:31:33.340 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Sam>is they could force another government shutdown.

01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:40.000
<v Sam>Yeah. But it sounds like leadership doesn't want to,

01:31:40.480 --> 01:31:46.960
<v Sam>you know, and that and unless you get a whole bunch of Republicans also willing

01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:51.800
<v Sam>to go along, that's pretty much the only thing that congressional Democrats could do.

01:31:53.340 --> 01:31:59.680
<v Sam>Now, there are, you know, on a few other issues, some Republicans in some other

01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:04.700
<v Sam>areas, like, look, there was a Republican senator, I forget which one,

01:32:05.160 --> 01:32:09.560
<v Sam>who made some comments about, like, I expect a serious investigation of goods

01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:13.120
<v Sam>killing, and they better have something real.

01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:17.760
<v Sam>and then there are a few others who said the same thing about the investigation

01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:26.800
<v Sam>into the fed there are republicans starting to splinter off but as usual there's not they are a whole.

01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:29.380
<v Ivan>Bunch of fucking pussies.

01:32:29.380 --> 01:32:40.000
<v Sam>I'm sorry they have no fucking sign to stand up to any of that what were.

01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.440
<v Emily>You saying I said her ball sacks Well, they're ball socks.

01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:45.500
<v Sam>There you go.

01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.120
<v Emily>Pussies are strong. Ball socks are not.

01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:51.600
<v Ivan>That's fair. That is very fair.

01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:52.740
<v Emily>It's not offensive.

01:32:54.210 --> 01:32:59.290
<v Sam>Um, so no, even on like the Venezuela war power resolution, there were,

01:32:59.290 --> 01:33:03.610
<v Sam>there were like a bunch of Republicans who, who actually voted on a procedural

01:33:03.610 --> 01:33:07.830
<v Sam>thing and then they backed off because Donald Trump called them and pressured

01:33:07.830 --> 01:33:08.870
<v Sam>them and they were like, ah,

01:33:09.430 --> 01:33:11.670
<v Sam>you know, and so that, that didn't go anywhere.

01:33:11.790 --> 01:33:14.890
<v Sam>And I think this is the pattern you have on a lot of things.

01:33:15.050 --> 01:33:21.370
<v Sam>You just don't, to really do anything, you need a whole bunch of Republicans

01:33:21.370 --> 01:33:26.850
<v Sam>to defect and we still aren't there, even though there are cracks growing.

01:33:28.070 --> 01:33:30.950
<v Ivan>You know, the cholesterol is not working fast enough.

01:33:31.050 --> 01:33:36.470
<v Ivan>Did you see, I saw some rumor today that apparently Trump had a stroke.

01:33:37.050 --> 01:33:37.810
<v Emily>Oh, God.

01:33:38.450 --> 01:33:44.350
<v Sam>We've been hearing that rumor of multiple strokes over the course of the whole

01:33:44.350 --> 01:33:46.970
<v Sam>last year. Like, this comes up every month or so.

01:33:48.010 --> 01:33:50.430
<v Emily>I mean, he's not normal. It's not.

01:33:50.570 --> 01:33:55.050
<v Sam>He's not doing well. He is clearly not doing well in all kinds of different ways.

01:33:55.070 --> 01:33:59.470
<v Ivan>He had a fucking half stroke, a heart attack, something, anything.

01:34:00.050 --> 01:34:08.050
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just, everybody in that party is just so scared of him, okay, to do anything.

01:34:08.370 --> 01:34:12.490
<v Ivan>They just are so, none of them will stand up to him.

01:34:12.790 --> 01:34:20.330
<v Ivan>And look, look at anybody that's stood up to him so far has gotten their political

01:34:20.330 --> 01:34:22.150
<v Ivan>career put in a shredder.

01:34:23.010 --> 01:34:25.130
<v Ivan>They have been burned completely.

01:34:25.650 --> 01:34:28.030
<v Emily>MTG seems to be doing pretty good now.

01:34:29.010 --> 01:34:32.270
<v Ivan>I'm seeing their political career. What is MTG even doing?

01:34:32.330 --> 01:34:37.050
<v Sam>You say MTG is doing pretty well, but she's out of a job for the moment. I mean, yeah.

01:34:37.230 --> 01:34:40.630
<v Emily>Well, yeah. I mean, yes. But I was just saying, like, there's, yeah. Yeah.

01:34:41.630 --> 01:34:45.550
<v Emily>I guess what's so frustrating about this whole situation is not even that,

01:34:45.550 --> 01:34:49.530
<v Emily>like, the Republicans can't stand up to him.

01:34:49.630 --> 01:34:53.890
<v Emily>It's also that, like, you already said this earlier today, that two prosecutors,

01:34:53.890 --> 01:34:57.970
<v Emily>like, quit their job or resigned because they didn't want to, you know, investigate.

01:34:57.970 --> 01:35:02.570
<v Emily>And it's like, I'm kind of sorry-sickening, and maybe this is just me not really

01:35:02.570 --> 01:35:07.590
<v Emily>understanding, but hearing that Tim Walz is not going to fight and just is going to leave after.

01:35:07.650 --> 01:35:11.310
<v Emily>I know he's gone through a lot as a governor. Like there's been a lot that happened

01:35:11.310 --> 01:35:17.330
<v Emily>in Minnesota from the shooting of the legislators to to everything in that in

01:35:17.330 --> 01:35:20.110
<v Emily>that state, you know, and he's gone through a lot.

01:35:20.210 --> 01:35:23.630
<v Emily>But like to resign, to not fight back, like let them.

01:35:23.930 --> 01:35:27.950
<v Sam>Well, he's not resigning. He just announced he's not running for reelection.

01:35:28.290 --> 01:35:29.510
<v Ivan>No, but that's me.

01:35:29.730 --> 01:35:34.550
<v Emily>That is like he. Yes. But it does look like it.

01:35:34.810 --> 01:35:41.290
<v Sam>I mean, the initial impression is that he did so because of these sort of thing.

01:35:41.550 --> 01:35:42.670
<v Emily>Like the families.

01:35:42.950 --> 01:35:48.690
<v Sam>Yeah. It was the nonsense Somalian fraud thing where the people actually committing

01:35:48.690 --> 01:35:50.470
<v Sam>fraud were not actually Somali.

01:35:50.570 --> 01:35:53.990
<v Sam>There were people committing fraud and there was an investigation already going

01:35:53.990 --> 01:35:55.270
<v Sam>on and it was being worked on.

01:35:55.390 --> 01:36:00.410
<v Sam>But like, you know, it was trumped up by the administration, pun intended.

01:36:02.170 --> 01:36:08.670
<v Sam>and they were using it as leverage against all of the Democrats in Minnesota

01:36:08.670 --> 01:36:13.650
<v Sam>when, you know, that's not really what was going on and it was whatever.

01:36:14.050 --> 01:36:17.150
<v Sam>Like, as usual, it's misrepresented. But...

01:36:17.150 --> 01:36:19.850
<v Emily>People that are stealing millions, we're pardoning those people.

01:36:20.230 --> 01:36:26.090
<v Sam>Yes, of course. But also, Wall's, I mean, his stated reason is,

01:36:26.210 --> 01:36:29.930
<v Sam>look, I have to concentrate on, you know, Minnesota's under attack.

01:36:30.590 --> 01:36:32.290
<v Sam>I have to concentrate on this stuff.

01:36:33.230 --> 01:36:39.290
<v Ivan>And by the way, I do understand that reasoning right now, given the situation that Minnesota is in.

01:36:39.990 --> 01:36:43.950
<v Ivan>With all these investigations and all of this stuff, trying to actually do a

01:36:43.950 --> 01:36:48.990
<v Ivan>campaign at the same time, it's kind of very crazy.

01:36:49.270 --> 01:36:53.350
<v Ivan>So I do give him credit that, look, if you're going to focus on something,

01:36:53.590 --> 01:36:58.210
<v Ivan>Minnesota, against this assault against the state, which is a federal assault

01:36:58.210 --> 01:37:03.130
<v Ivan>against the state, it's very difficult to also be campaigning for an election as well.

01:37:04.050 --> 01:37:09.530
<v Ivan>and you know what at least it also and the assault against you personally with all these frivolous.

01:37:09.530 --> 01:37:10.610
<v Sam>Investigations and stuff.

01:37:10.610 --> 01:37:13.570
<v Ivan>But it deflects fire away from him is the one thing because

01:37:13.570 --> 01:37:16.210
<v Ivan>you can wind up okay whoever is going

01:37:16.210 --> 01:37:21.250
<v Ivan>to run as a democrat you know he can be taking the fire for that while the other

01:37:21.250 --> 01:37:25.290
<v Ivan>person is running a campaign to make sure that the democrats win the state so

01:37:25.290 --> 01:37:30.770
<v Ivan>I think that in terms of his motivations for doing this I think they do make

01:37:30.770 --> 01:37:34.350
<v Ivan>sense but But right now falls into that.

01:37:34.530 --> 01:37:38.870
<v Emily>I feel bad for him. But also no one should be quitting their job or just resigning

01:37:38.870 --> 01:37:42.310
<v Emily>is what he's OK. He can do it if he has a plan.

01:37:42.870 --> 01:37:50.730
<v Ivan>OK, so I know that Sam gets gets gets gets crazy when when I when I talk about my condo association.

01:37:50.950 --> 01:37:56.490
<v Ivan>But about a year ago, OK, listen, you know, listen, I you know,

01:37:56.750 --> 01:37:58.510
<v Ivan>you let me tell you something.

01:37:59.110 --> 01:38:02.630
<v Ivan>Listen, a whole bunch of people started making up a whole bunch of accusations

01:38:02.630 --> 01:38:06.810
<v Ivan>about me, about me stealing money from the place that I was like,

01:38:06.910 --> 01:38:11.310
<v Ivan>I took construction funds, that I took bribe, that I, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:38:11.630 --> 01:38:15.490
<v Ivan>And this was like when I was sick with demarticulitis, my wife was,

01:38:15.650 --> 01:38:19.130
<v Ivan>I just had surgery, and I've got all this work, and I'm like,

01:38:19.190 --> 01:38:20.270
<v Ivan>look, I got to focus on myself.

01:38:20.410 --> 01:38:24.530
<v Ivan>I can't, like, be, like, trying to run this place and, like,

01:38:24.610 --> 01:38:25.830
<v Ivan>with all these people, and I quit.

01:38:26.070 --> 01:38:30.210
<v Ivan>But here's what's happened in the interim. The people that were accusing me

01:38:30.210 --> 01:38:35.250
<v Ivan>of this right now, basically, it's the usual. They have been...

01:38:36.200 --> 01:38:38.720
<v Ivan>They've been doing anything that they said that they're doing.

01:38:39.400 --> 01:38:40.560
<v Ivan>They're the ones that are doing.

01:38:40.980 --> 01:38:46.100
<v Ivan>And like right now, basically, but what it gave me that time to rest gave me

01:38:46.100 --> 01:38:52.220
<v Ivan>the time to figure out how to mount a proper counterattack in order to expose

01:38:52.220 --> 01:38:53.480
<v Ivan>everything that they had been doing.

01:38:53.480 --> 01:39:00.000
<v Ivan>And so I think in terms of having seen how this works and how sometimes you

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:07.020
<v Ivan>wind up in a situation where, look, I can't, tactically, it's not a good attempt to stay there.

01:39:07.180 --> 01:39:10.320
<v Ivan>I don't think tactically was a good thing to just stay there.

01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:14.920
<v Ivan>And it maybe risks the state, you know, being lost. Okay.

01:39:15.240 --> 01:39:19.000
<v Ivan>It's better for him to say, look, I'll step aside right now.

01:39:19.120 --> 01:39:22.040
<v Ivan>They've got enough time. We can get somebody to run.

01:39:23.040 --> 01:39:26.460
<v Ivan>And we've got enough time to rectify the situation. I think that makes sense.

01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.700
<v Ivan>But I think that the one thing is that Tim, they need to get more aggressive.

01:39:30.300 --> 01:39:33.300
<v Ivan>And he just started yesterday than he had been now.

01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:36.540
<v Ivan>Because one thing that I give credit to Pritzker and Newsom,

01:39:37.060 --> 01:39:38.620
<v Ivan>when they were doing this to them,

01:39:39.580 --> 01:39:47.580
<v Ivan>especially Pritzker. Pritzker was very, very vocal and strident against what

01:39:47.580 --> 01:39:48.760
<v Ivan>was being done in Chicago.

01:39:49.620 --> 01:39:53.200
<v Ivan>Tim has been distracted by all these hacky-shades or whatever.

01:39:53.500 --> 01:39:57.980
<v Ivan>He hasn't been strident in defending his state against this.

01:39:58.100 --> 01:40:01.720
<v Ivan>He needs to step up his game in this right now.

01:40:01.900 --> 01:40:05.540
<v Ivan>He is on his back foot right now, and he needs to step up his game.

01:40:06.180 --> 01:40:11.380
<v Emily>Yeah. I think about it. You were talking about the prosecutors, though, like, yes.

01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:15.700
<v Emily>And as somebody who left public office to do other things, I think that are

01:40:15.700 --> 01:40:16.740
<v Emily>actually more effective.

01:40:16.820 --> 01:40:19.880
<v Emily>I guess I can say that. Yes, that's right.

01:40:20.140 --> 01:40:25.580
<v Emily>And I but it's it's the paramount, you know, executives that left to it's like

01:40:25.580 --> 01:40:27.500
<v Emily>for for being upset by that.

01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:31.260
<v Emily>It's it's like, come on, you have the money standing, you know, go and fight.

01:40:31.400 --> 01:40:34.660
<v Emily>And actually, that's where the real levers of power are those people that are

01:40:34.660 --> 01:40:35.860
<v Emily>sitting in those executive seats.

01:40:36.040 --> 01:40:43.140
<v Emily>And if you leave from those positions, you're actually just throwing in the towel for some things.

01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:48.620
<v Sam>There's always a debate in some of these situations where, you know,

01:40:48.940 --> 01:40:52.480
<v Sam>especially people like prosecutors, things like that, or for that matter,

01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:57.160
<v Sam>military folks, you are being ordered to do something you think is wrong,

01:40:57.380 --> 01:40:59.140
<v Sam>illegal, unethical, whatever.

01:40:59.420 --> 01:41:00.800
<v Ivan>They're not leaving you a lot of choices.

01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:09.340
<v Sam>Well, the question is, do you do you resign in protest or do you not do it and make them fire you?

01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:13.200
<v Sam>You know, either way, you're not going to stay there in the end.

01:41:13.200 --> 01:41:18.460
<v Sam>You know, now they're one of the things that was said over and over by people

01:41:18.460 --> 01:41:22.600
<v Sam>in the first Trump administration is the reason we're staying.

01:41:22.820 --> 01:41:25.420
<v Sam>And people would say this privately off the record, et cetera.

01:41:25.780 --> 01:41:31.160
<v Sam>They said the reason we're staying is we can mitigate the damage by staying.

01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:36.140
<v Sam>We can stop some of his worst impulses. And we gave him shit.

01:41:36.240 --> 01:41:41.820
<v Ivan>By the way, we said we said shit about them. And now we realize.

01:41:42.550 --> 01:41:46.850
<v Ivan>that, you know what? They were right. They did.

01:41:47.130 --> 01:41:55.610
<v Sam>Yeah. And that's what's different about this Trump second term is none of those folks are allowed here.

01:41:55.990 --> 01:42:02.590
<v Sam>If you have the slightest whiff of saying no or not just jumping and saying

01:42:02.590 --> 01:42:07.410
<v Sam>yes, sir, and moving as quick as possible, you're out of there very quickly.

01:42:07.730 --> 01:42:11.410
<v Ivan>Hey, Sam, let me ask you a question. Where's Tulsi? Anybody heard from her?

01:42:13.090 --> 01:42:16.710
<v Sam>Uh she's been very quiet no but

01:42:16.710 --> 01:42:19.570
<v Sam>there was something she was

01:42:19.570 --> 01:42:25.450
<v Sam>in the news for a few weeks back let me see if i can find it but but no mostly

01:42:25.450 --> 01:42:31.710
<v Sam>she's been missing mostly oh the latest news article i see eight days ago from

01:42:31.710 --> 01:42:38.050
<v Sam>the wall street journal tulsi gabbard sidelined from venezuela planning how there you go there.

01:42:38.050 --> 01:42:40.770
<v Ivan>You go oh yeah there you go perfect beautiful.

01:42:40.770 --> 01:42:46.070
<v Sam>U.s spy chief Gabbard excluded from Maduro plan over past views.

01:42:46.230 --> 01:42:49.230
<v Sam>Tulsi Gabbard booted from Venezuela plans.

01:42:49.890 --> 01:42:54.570
<v Sam>Age-joking, DNI stands for do not invite, etc.

01:42:57.750 --> 01:42:59.390
<v Ivan>Good work, Tulsi. There you go.

01:42:59.570 --> 01:43:02.610
<v Sam>That's all the recent news about Tulsi is how she's been.

01:43:02.790 --> 01:43:05.110
<v Ivan>You fucking sold your soul, and this is what it's gotten you.

01:43:05.230 --> 01:43:06.830
<v Ivan>Congratulations. Great job.

01:43:09.710 --> 01:43:15.550
<v Emily>Speaking of Venezuela, when somebody mentioned, you know, just because someone

01:43:15.550 --> 01:43:19.450
<v Emily>gives you a peace prize doesn't mean that you got a Nobel Peace Prize.

01:43:19.490 --> 01:43:22.670
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, you know.

01:43:22.870 --> 01:43:25.070
<v Emily>Can we just talk about, like, how dumb.

01:43:25.270 --> 01:43:28.070
<v Ivan>Sam, Sam, look. Look, I got an award over here.

01:43:28.530 --> 01:43:28.990
<v Emily>Yeah.

01:43:29.230 --> 01:43:36.190
<v Ivan>You want the award? I have. Look, it's a medal. I got this medal. There. Here we go.

01:43:37.010 --> 01:43:40.790
<v Ivan>Let me get the medal. Check it out. Look. Here.

01:43:42.010 --> 01:43:43.310
<v Ivan>Look, I got this medal.

01:43:43.530 --> 01:43:45.630
<v Sam>Mail it over. I'll put it on my resume immediately.

01:43:45.710 --> 01:43:50.770
<v Ivan>Hewlett Packard, 2003, most valuable player. Okay? I mean,

01:43:53.710 --> 01:43:59.190
<v Ivan>Sam, you could be the Hewlett Packard. 2003 Most Valuable Player. Look at that.

01:43:59.190 --> 01:44:05.250
<v Sam>It's a metal. Mail it over. I'm going to put it on my resume immediately. I will claim it.

01:44:06.270 --> 01:44:10.250
<v Ivan>Old blue HP color. It's made us some metal,

01:44:11.360 --> 01:44:14.960
<v Ivan>Kind of thing. I don't think it's gold.

01:44:15.140 --> 01:44:18.400
<v Emily>Do you think that Maria Karina Machado is an idiot?

01:44:18.740 --> 01:44:23.040
<v Emily>Sorry, I keep just being like, why did you think Trump would treat you any differently

01:44:23.040 --> 01:44:24.900
<v Emily>throughout this process at the end?

01:44:25.080 --> 01:44:30.140
<v Ivan>No, I think that she, no, no, no. I think what she did today was basically what

01:44:30.140 --> 01:44:33.500
<v Ivan>she decided is, look, I got to play the book, okay?

01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:37.900
<v Ivan>Which the book is, look, the Swiss arrived with a Rolex watch.

01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.680
<v Ivan>Apple showed up with a gold orb. okay

01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:45.220
<v Ivan>and i'm like well fuck here by

01:44:45.220 --> 01:44:51.260
<v Ivan>the way she had it framed with this thing that said presented the trump and

01:44:51.260 --> 01:44:57.320
<v Ivan>this old thing inside this case and the thing and the metal i mean so she said

01:44:57.320 --> 01:45:01.180
<v Ivan>look this is the playbook apparently where everybody gets what they want so

01:45:01.180 --> 01:45:04.740
<v Ivan>i i gotta step up my game well.

01:45:04.740 --> 01:45:09.400
<v Emily>Look here here's the thing she's a woman and he's not gonna do that like he's

01:45:09.400 --> 01:45:11.100
<v Emily>not going to give or this awful.

01:45:11.100 --> 01:45:16.720
<v Ivan>She's a woman and she's no she doesn't mean she has to not pass the double D test,

01:45:17.400 --> 01:45:18.620
<v Ivan>for Trump. Okay.

01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:23.700
<v Emily>And she just continued to like metaphorically suck his dick more. So I'm like.

01:45:25.020 --> 01:45:28.000
<v Sam>But the fundamental problem here though,

01:45:28.300 --> 01:45:34.440
<v Sam>is not that like she played pretty much the only place she had left, but the thing was,

01:45:34.580 --> 01:45:40.780
<v Sam>and the reporting on this is basically when there were conversations with her

01:45:40.780 --> 01:45:45.020
<v Sam>earlier in the year with the administration,

01:45:45.020 --> 01:45:53.360
<v Sam>her responses were things about democracy and human rights and doing better for the Venezuelans.

01:45:53.360 --> 01:45:58.180
<v Sam>And we need to respect the results of the election and all that kind of stuff.

01:45:58.420 --> 01:45:59.120
<v Sam>And the question is there.

01:45:59.220 --> 01:46:02.820
<v Ivan>Where's my money? Where's my goal? Where's my money? Where's my medal?

01:46:03.060 --> 01:46:07.860
<v Sam>Well, exactly. But here's, and Donald Trump apparently right off the bat,

01:46:08.020 --> 01:46:11.780
<v Sam>like was upset that she got the NOBA Peace Prize and not him.

01:46:11.980 --> 01:46:15.660
<v Sam>And he almost wrote her off at that point anyway.

01:46:15.860 --> 01:46:21.200
<v Sam>But also, very importantly here, he is 100% transactional.

01:46:21.320 --> 01:46:25.680
<v Sam>When they had back channel conversations with the VP, with Maduro's VP,

01:46:26.060 --> 01:46:31.120
<v Sam>she apparently was very open to, we will talk to you about oil.

01:46:31.260 --> 01:46:35.360
<v Sam>We will talk to you about this we will we will be open to doing what you want

01:46:35.360 --> 01:46:37.200
<v Sam>and oh by the way democracy.

01:46:37.200 --> 01:46:40.400
<v Ivan>Bullshit i don't give a shit about that it's probably well.

01:46:40.400 --> 01:46:41.760
<v Sam>And also wait.

01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:46.680
<v Ivan>Elections democracy fuck you i don't even want an election here the hell.

01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:51.220
<v Sam>Do i want election over there also apparently not to leave this out one of the

01:46:51.220 --> 01:46:55.120
<v Sam>points of contention when when the trump administration,

01:46:55.660 --> 01:47:00.900
<v Sam>was talking to her as the nobel peace prize winner earlier in the year and saying

01:47:00.900 --> 01:47:02.000
<v Sam>what they wanted her to do.

01:47:02.240 --> 01:47:07.400
<v Sam>They wanted her to enter into negotiations with the Maduro government to come

01:47:07.400 --> 01:47:09.120
<v Sam>to an end, you know, whatever.

01:47:09.420 --> 01:47:12.660
<v Sam>And basically, she stood on principle and said, he's illegitimate,

01:47:12.780 --> 01:47:15.480
<v Sam>he's a dictator, we're not going to negotiate with him.

01:47:15.620 --> 01:47:19.460
<v Sam>And the Trump folks said, well, then you're just an obstruction and we don't need to deal with you.

01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:27.160
<v Ivan>Great beautiful well i don't know look he gave her he gave him the medal and

01:47:27.160 --> 01:47:31.760
<v Ivan>i don't know look i know that the did you see the transaction where apparently

01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:36.460
<v Ivan>they gave us 500 million dollars of oil but apparently the money instead of

01:47:36.460 --> 01:47:39.460
<v Ivan>going to the u.s treasury went to a bank account in qatar,

01:47:40.400 --> 01:47:44.920
<v Ivan>yes well which is normally where of course the u.s government always wants their money.

01:47:46.340 --> 01:47:51.680
<v Sam>People have pointed out this pattern with all kinds of things venezuela is just

01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:54.400
<v Sam>the latest example, the ballroom is another. There's another,

01:47:54.660 --> 01:47:55.600
<v Sam>there's several others.

01:47:56.060 --> 01:48:01.180
<v Sam>Basically, Donald Trump is making these side deals all over the place that involve

01:48:01.180 --> 01:48:08.500
<v Sam>money coming into accounts that he controls independent of what Congress has authority over.

01:48:08.940 --> 01:48:11.720
<v Sam>Which, by the way, of course, is illegal under the Constitution,

01:48:12.020 --> 01:48:13.680
<v Sam>but who the hell cares about that anymore?

01:48:14.580 --> 01:48:16.080
<v Sam>Like, you know, like.

01:48:16.160 --> 01:48:24.360
<v Emily>You cannot be okay with, I mean, that's what I'm saying. somebody have some fucking balls.

01:48:27.080 --> 01:48:31.520
<v Ivan>Actually, wait, I'm sorry. You just explained to me the balls are weak, okay?

01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:37.280
<v Ivan>They need to have a fucking real pussy and show up over there instead of balls.

01:48:37.700 --> 01:48:40.460
<v Ivan>This is the fucking problem that we've got right now.

01:48:40.480 --> 01:48:43.580
<v Emily>Have some fucking pussy. Have some fucking...

01:48:43.580 --> 01:48:46.680
<v Ivan>Yes! Damn it! That's what we need!

01:48:46.820 --> 01:48:47.580
<v Emily>You still want the ball now.

01:48:47.580 --> 01:48:51.180
<v Sam>I don't think I think I can get away with making that the title of the episode.

01:48:51.380 --> 01:48:59.160
<v Emily>Let's be clear. The ball sacks are not great. The balls are good. And the pussy.

01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:06.780
<v Ivan>But the balls are weak. You hit the balls and we fall over in two seconds.

01:49:07.080 --> 01:49:08.680
<v Emily>Where are your ovaries? Where are your balls?

01:49:09.260 --> 01:49:09.840
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:49:11.770 --> 01:49:17.830
<v Emily>But isn't you know and i think it's also crazy that they're letting the former

01:49:17.830 --> 01:49:23.210
<v Emily>vice president lead and she's basically in with maduro was not doing anything

01:49:23.210 --> 01:49:28.990
<v Emily>differently so like well no the the key the key thing no she is doing something

01:49:28.990 --> 01:49:31.730
<v Emily>very crucially different okay she.

01:49:31.730 --> 01:49:35.670
<v Sam>Is willing to talk to donald trump and make the deals with him.

01:49:35.670 --> 01:49:36.670
<v Emily>Oh yeah she's.

01:49:36.670 --> 01:49:38.010
<v Ivan>Willing to deal She's been willing.

01:49:38.010 --> 01:49:38.410
<v Emily>To deal.

01:49:38.510 --> 01:49:43.010
<v Ivan>She's been willing and dealing. She actually did free some political prisoners.

01:49:43.410 --> 01:49:46.370
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. But other than that, not much change.

01:49:46.730 --> 01:49:50.150
<v Ivan>One thing that I had, you know, I have a lot of friends.

01:49:50.490 --> 01:49:53.650
<v Ivan>Look, my boss is Venezuelan. Okay. They're Venezuela and diaspora.

01:49:53.990 --> 01:49:58.770
<v Ivan>Okay. And that's just my boss. I have a lot of friends out here that are Venezuela and diaspora.

01:49:58.870 --> 01:50:02.030
<v Ivan>And I spoke to them about this. Look, the one problem right now,

01:50:02.150 --> 01:50:07.010
<v Ivan>the situation is even with Maduro gone, the reality is that nothing really has

01:50:07.010 --> 01:50:11.730
<v Ivan>changed in terms of the political situation nothing really has changed because

01:50:11.730 --> 01:50:13.230
<v Ivan>they did not come in with a plan,

01:50:14.110 --> 01:50:21.870
<v Ivan>this whole thing is honestly as far as I can tell this whole thing has been

01:50:21.870 --> 01:50:26.330
<v Ivan>so far a distraction from the Epstein files that's it nothing else.

01:50:26.330 --> 01:50:31.830
<v Sam>I will add to that you mentioned the 500 million or whatever it is I think the

01:50:31.830 --> 01:50:36.230
<v Sam>reality here is that well maybe Rubio wanted something more.

01:50:36.370 --> 01:50:39.670
<v Sam>But as far as Trump is concerned, mission accomplished.

01:50:39.970 --> 01:50:44.050
<v Sam>As long as he can get some random money coming into accounts that he controls,

01:50:44.330 --> 01:50:45.830
<v Sam>he's done what he wants to.

01:50:45.910 --> 01:50:52.290
<v Sam>He doesn't care about in one little tiny bit what the situation on the ground is in Venezuela.

01:50:53.030 --> 01:50:58.970
<v Ivan>Well, there was one other thing that they wanted. They did want to be able to more easily deport,

01:50:59.630 --> 01:51:03.370
<v Ivan>because they ended in temporary protected status, they wanted to more easily

01:51:03.370 --> 01:51:08.090
<v Ivan>deport the $150,000 people with TPS that we had over here. Okay,

01:51:08.210 --> 01:51:09.890
<v Ivan>so you want it to be able to do that as well.

01:51:10.390 --> 01:51:14.590
<v Ivan>And the other thing is, like I told you before, transactional again,

01:51:14.790 --> 01:51:16.430
<v Ivan>the $500 million that came in.

01:51:17.910 --> 01:51:24.290
<v Ivan>The Venezuelan diaspora, a lot of them talk to Trump regularly because they

01:51:24.290 --> 01:51:29.890
<v Ivan>are the biggest contingent of theirs is in Doral, Florida.

01:51:30.450 --> 01:51:34.530
<v Ivan>Doral is where he has that country club that's just a little bit south,

01:51:34.710 --> 01:51:39.190
<v Ivan>like here, Bob Marlano being a little bit north, that he spends a lot of time at, okay?

01:51:39.410 --> 01:51:44.170
<v Ivan>Where he's had the G7 and whatever and all this shit. Those people are members.

01:51:44.350 --> 01:51:47.950
<v Ivan>They have money. And they have been talking to him about this,

01:51:48.150 --> 01:51:49.510
<v Ivan>about getting rid of Maduro.

01:51:49.690 --> 01:51:53.870
<v Ivan>And a lot of them were pissed because he was in a temporary protected status.

01:51:54.250 --> 01:52:00.190
<v Ivan>So this whole thing about they all hated Maduro was a lot to appease these guys,

01:52:00.910 --> 01:52:04.910
<v Ivan>okay, that give him money. And they promised him money.

01:52:05.190 --> 01:52:07.230
<v Ivan>Somehow, he's already gotten $500 million.

01:52:07.790 --> 01:52:13.630
<v Ivan>They keep promising all this other oil riches. and he figures he can get money somehow out of this. And,

01:52:14.980 --> 01:52:19.260
<v Ivan>You know, this is all, again, like you said, transactional. Boom.

01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:22.340
<v Ivan>They wanted him out. I get him out. I'm going to get money somehow.

01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:25.960
<v Ivan>I already got $500 million. I'm going to get a few more billions somehow out of it.

01:52:26.420 --> 01:52:30.880
<v Sam>Yeah, exactly. And like Rubio wants more stuff. Rubio cares about coming off Cuba.

01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:34.260
<v Ivan>Rubio wanted democracy. Seriously. I don't believe it.

01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:40.300
<v Sam>Or, you know, as with everything else and everybody else who works with Trump,

01:52:40.980 --> 01:52:46.160
<v Sam>you know, So Rubio is not going to get the things he wants.

01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:48.940
<v Sam>He's going to get stabbed in the back and get screwed in the end.

01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:54.680
<v Sam>He may get a little bit of things here or there, but he isn't.

01:52:55.440 --> 01:53:02.600
<v Sam>All of these people delude themselves into thinking that they can manipulate the situation.

01:53:04.400 --> 01:53:11.060
<v Sam>Take advantage of poor, delusional, senile Trump and get what you want out of

01:53:11.060 --> 01:53:13.260
<v Sam>it. Some of them are better at it than others.

01:53:13.420 --> 01:53:17.240
<v Sam>I think Miller is better at it than Rubio, as an example.

01:53:17.440 --> 01:53:21.480
<v Ivan>Miller is definitely, I mean, well, I mean, Jesus Christ. The guy's a vampire, for God's sakes.

01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:24.820
<v Ivan>I'm sure he's, like, fucking, like, sucking his blood every other day,

01:53:24.860 --> 01:53:27.680
<v Ivan>which is part of, like, why the hell he gets the shit that he wants.

01:53:28.540 --> 01:53:31.000
<v Emily>Good Lord. It looks like an anal polyp.

01:53:31.410 --> 01:53:32.850
<v Emily>That's what we know.

01:53:35.390 --> 01:53:35.890
<v Sam>Okay.

01:53:36.150 --> 01:53:36.330
<v Ivan>I can't.

01:53:36.330 --> 01:53:39.490
<v Emily>Okay. Not being able to say it, we have to talk about it all the time.

01:53:39.870 --> 01:53:41.490
<v Ivan>Cannot disagree.

01:53:41.750 --> 01:53:46.450
<v Emily>We are waiting for South Park to do an episode where he is an anal polyp.

01:53:46.750 --> 01:53:48.550
<v Ivan>That sounds wonderful.

01:53:48.930 --> 01:53:51.730
<v Emily>We are suggesting that South Park, if they ever hear this, please.

01:53:52.630 --> 01:53:59.190
<v Ivan>Well, given that our first question went eight minutes, and now we have gone one hour.

01:53:59.530 --> 01:54:02.850
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. almost on the second one. Are we going to take a short break

01:54:02.850 --> 01:54:04.750
<v Ivan>and we're going to try to end this pretty soon.

01:54:04.770 --> 01:54:08.070
<v Sam>I guess? I was wondering if we should just wrap it up.

01:54:08.650 --> 01:54:10.130
<v Ivan>Maybe we should just wrap it up.

01:54:10.650 --> 01:54:15.770
<v Sam>If you have anything else to talk about other than wrapping it up,

01:54:15.890 --> 01:54:18.510
<v Sam>I will take a break and then we will come back and we can do that.

01:54:19.770 --> 01:54:22.710
<v Ivan>Do you have anything else? No, no, no, no. We can wrap it up.

01:54:22.890 --> 01:54:28.210
<v Emily>If anything, we can just talk about... I'm bummed out because I feel like I

01:54:28.210 --> 01:54:35.630
<v Emily>don't get to know Yvonne enough you know I mean I get to see Sam a little bit more often so I feel like,

01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:41.140
<v Emily>What should we talk about now that I'm not just talking to you over?

01:54:41.220 --> 01:54:45.240
<v Ivan>No, no, no. Listen, you'll get the right. I said I'm going to pop up to one

01:54:45.240 --> 01:54:48.500
<v Ivan>of the meetups. I just got to figure out my schedule, okay?

01:54:48.940 --> 01:54:51.900
<v Ivan>Like, next month is bad. I'm going to have to be in Puerto Rico again.

01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:55.640
<v Ivan>I'm going next week, and I'm going to have to be that week. But I'm going to

01:54:55.640 --> 01:54:56.700
<v Ivan>come up to one of the meetups.

01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:57.240
<v Emily>Okay?

01:54:57.320 --> 01:54:58.260
<v Ivan>So I'll play out.

01:54:58.540 --> 01:55:03.560
<v Emily>It's a summer one, like, in our hottest month of the year. Let's try to get you in July.

01:55:04.140 --> 01:55:07.860
<v Ivan>I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll look at the calendar whenever it pops up.

01:55:08.240 --> 01:55:12.800
<v Ivan>It's got to be, you know, whatever I got to, I got an opening on the calendar

01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:15.900
<v Ivan>right now. I thought about maybe February and sucking up the cold.

01:55:16.400 --> 01:55:19.860
<v Sam>Yvonne is talking about the meetups for the Snohomish Podcast Network,

01:55:20.100 --> 01:55:24.380
<v Sam>which both this podcast and Emily's Umsur are members of.

01:55:25.580 --> 01:55:27.940
<v Ivan>Okay, well, by the way, my wife doesn't want to go to Seattle.

01:55:27.940 --> 01:55:29.600
<v Sam>Check out the home network and all the other podcasts.

01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:34.680
<v Ivan>She is part of a group that meets regularly that is in Seattle.

01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:36.640
<v Ivan>She's actually been to Seattle a couple of times.

01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:42.580
<v Ivan>Well, not Seattle. She's been nearby. No, she did fly to Seattle. Yeah.

01:55:43.280 --> 01:55:45.160
<v Sam>It's closer to us than Seattle.

01:55:45.700 --> 01:55:52.400
<v Ivan>Yeah. No, but the thing is that they went through this retreat and banged down in...

01:55:52.870 --> 01:55:55.810
<v Ivan>Near Oregon, basically, on the coast.

01:55:56.050 --> 01:55:57.630
<v Emily>Vancouver? Oh, okay.

01:55:58.290 --> 01:56:03.190
<v Ivan>Yeah, so, well, we were supposed to be there last summer to go to Vancouver,

01:56:03.210 --> 01:56:05.890
<v Ivan>but my son freaked out on the plane and he couldn't get on the plane.

01:56:06.370 --> 01:56:07.730
<v Ivan>That's another story. Okay.

01:56:08.690 --> 01:56:11.310
<v Ivan>But, I don't know, at some point we'll figure it out. By summer,

01:56:11.410 --> 01:56:17.650
<v Ivan>I'm sure we'll be there because my wife is talking about, at least not that I come up by July.

01:56:18.430 --> 01:56:18.810
<v Sam>Okay.

01:56:19.170 --> 01:56:19.950
<v Emily>I'm excited.

01:56:20.930 --> 01:56:21.450
<v Ivan>All right.

01:56:22.230 --> 01:56:26.910
<v Sam>Okay. So this time around, just to, we hit Venezuela.

01:56:27.650 --> 01:56:31.670
<v Sam>We didn't talk about the January 6th anniversary. We didn't talk about Jack Smith.

01:56:32.030 --> 01:56:35.710
<v Sam>We talked about Minnesota. We have not talked about Greenland.

01:56:35.950 --> 01:56:37.610
<v Sam>We have not talked about Iran.

01:56:37.910 --> 01:56:42.590
<v Sam>We have not, I meant, we mentioned in passing the investigation of Powell.

01:56:43.070 --> 01:56:45.750
<v Ivan>The longest, the longest podcast in history.

01:56:46.290 --> 01:56:51.970
<v Sam>I'm just listing the things that we didn't get to, but just to show how busy this last week was.

01:56:51.970 --> 01:56:55.630
<v Sam>we didn't talk about like interest rates and

01:56:55.630 --> 01:56:59.410
<v Sam>ai and blah blah blah we we

01:56:59.410 --> 01:57:02.530
<v Sam>we kind of talked about pardons a little bit but

01:57:02.530 --> 01:57:07.450
<v Sam>you know look there's just the the rate at which things are happening is once

01:57:07.450 --> 01:57:13.550
<v Sam>again seeming to accelerate and it feels like you know who who was it what what's

01:57:13.550 --> 01:57:19.710
<v Sam>the famous quote about like that there there are some weeks that nothing happens

01:57:19.710 --> 01:57:21.630
<v Sam>and there's some i don't know,

01:57:22.290 --> 01:57:28.710
<v Sam>There's a stupid quote that's very good about like how sometimes you have very slow periods of times.

01:57:28.890 --> 01:57:32.910
<v Ivan>When we did this in the Obama administration, when we did this podcast during

01:57:32.910 --> 01:57:36.130
<v Ivan>the Obama administration, you could find some episodes that are pretty short.

01:57:36.230 --> 01:57:40.030
<v Ivan>You could find we were like, ah, it's a boring week. Nothing happened.

01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:42.680
<v Ivan>You know, I mean.

01:57:43.240 --> 01:57:44.060
<v Emily>Boring weeks.

01:57:44.440 --> 01:57:46.460
<v Ivan>Yes. So do I.

01:57:48.120 --> 01:57:53.900
<v Sam>Anyway, things are being crazy right now. And there are a lot of places that could blow up.

01:57:54.460 --> 01:57:59.800
<v Sam>You know, is Trump about to attack Iran?

01:58:00.200 --> 01:58:05.760
<v Sam>Is he about to attack Minnesota more greatly? Is he going to do more crazy stuff in Venezuela?

01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:16.460
<v Sam>Or Cuba. Yes. Or, you know, he mentioned like a half dozen countries in the

01:58:16.460 --> 01:58:18.540
<v Sam>last two weeks. So, you know, whatever.

01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:22.760
<v Emily>You know what, with what you were just saying, I was about to ask this question,

01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:28.340
<v Emily>like, during the Obama administration, was less happening or were we just not

01:58:28.340 --> 01:58:29.600
<v Emily>talking about some of the things?

01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:35.280
<v Emily>because one thing I'm getting frustrated with is Democrats and people that were

01:58:35.280 --> 01:58:37.940
<v Emily>Obama supporters starting to...

01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:42.460
<v Emily>call out trump especially about regarding venezuela and

01:58:42.460 --> 01:58:45.280
<v Emily>say well obama did this and obama did

01:58:45.280 --> 01:58:49.380
<v Emily>that like this idea that we're justifying donald trump or trying to find some

01:58:49.380 --> 01:58:55.040
<v Emily>reason and i just i need to say that out loud like i mean one these are not

01:58:55.040 --> 01:58:58.960
<v Emily>the same people and stop trying to wrap your head around donald trump or make

01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:05.060
<v Emily>justifications there are none so if you are you know comparing comparing a president that.

01:59:05.060 --> 01:59:09.700
<v Ivan>Was trying to do something where his considerations were national security,

01:59:10.060 --> 01:59:12.100
<v Ivan>the security of people providing food.

01:59:12.280 --> 01:59:17.340
<v Ivan>These were not selfish considerations versus a guy with presidents.

01:59:17.480 --> 01:59:21.960
<v Sam>There was lots of things that we criticized Obama on at the time,

01:59:21.980 --> 01:59:26.740
<v Sam>but the nature of those things was entirely different.

01:59:27.080 --> 01:59:31.500
<v Sam>It was even when he did something we disagreed with,

01:59:31.500 --> 01:59:35.060
<v Sam>you could feel like okay he's he

01:59:35.060 --> 01:59:40.740
<v Sam>may be doing something we disagree with and we think is wrong but his he has

01:59:40.740 --> 01:59:45.760
<v Sam>a good motivation he's trying to get a good result and he's doing it wrong or

01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:49.900
<v Sam>but and at least he's thinking about it he's thinking about it he was a deep

01:59:49.900 --> 01:59:52.640
<v Sam>thinker you could tell all this kind of stuff they're.

01:59:52.640 --> 01:59:55.080
<v Ivan>Not selfish considerations is my.

01:59:55.080 --> 01:59:56.040
<v Sam>Point everything.

01:59:56.040 --> 02:00:00.220
<v Ivan>That trump does is only about him.

02:00:00.220 --> 02:00:01.900
<v Sam>Right that's.

02:00:01.900 --> 02:00:08.280
<v Ivan>It there is nobody else he doesn't care about the world about america about his family doesn't care.

02:00:08.280 --> 02:00:08.800
<v Emily>About him.

02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:11.860
<v Ivan>He doesn't care about his kids son of a bitch.

02:00:11.860 --> 02:00:17.740
<v Emily>Anybody and and and we as democrats have never been shy about dragging somebody

02:00:17.740 --> 02:00:22.900
<v Emily>democrat or whatever that we just don't agree with we're like yeah that's a bad move and we're

02:00:23.080 --> 02:00:28.660
<v Emily>like immune to it and that's why i just cannot understand why there are people

02:00:28.660 --> 02:00:30.940
<v Emily>that are trying to like because.

02:00:30.940 --> 02:00:34.480
<v Sam>Well this is this is the same thing as we.

02:00:34.480 --> 02:00:39.260
<v Ivan>Live in a world where we don't value listen people like obama,

02:00:39.770 --> 02:00:47.510
<v Ivan>And I fall into this category where we just do the hard work.

02:00:47.510 --> 02:00:54.250
<v Ivan>We're not out there just trying to get credit for doing the hard work of keeping things together.

02:00:54.450 --> 02:00:58.370
<v Ivan>The hard work that it took to get the Affordable Care Act passed.

02:00:59.270 --> 02:01:03.570
<v Ivan>People criticize it, shit on it. It's not national health care. It's not a one.

02:01:03.830 --> 02:01:08.850
<v Ivan>Listen, so many people, tens of millions of people benefited from that.

02:01:08.850 --> 02:01:14.350
<v Ivan>And everybody, so many shit on it Because, well, it's not universal health,

02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:23.260
<v Ivan>instead of seeing how hard it was to get that and how many people's lives improved, okay?

02:01:23.480 --> 02:01:26.780
<v Ivan>Because it's not the perfect solution. It sucks.

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<v Ivan>He's a fucking, you know, neoliberal asshole, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Ivan>I'm not sick of those people because it's so many, because they,

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<v Ivan>and then they don't go and are taking this president that basically couldn't

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<v Ivan>give a flying fuck about the lives of anybody.

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<v Ivan>You weren't just posting, Sam, about this fucking measles outbreak now in your

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<v Ivan>fucking county, for God's sake.

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<v Ivan>This motherfucker is bringing back diseases we had eradicated.

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<v Ivan>He's making people hungry. He has killed millions of kids in Africa.

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<v Ivan>He doesn't give a fuck about anybody.

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<v Ivan>And you know what? These people are all, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Ivan>motherfucker. Fuck you.

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<v Emily>No, the purity politics only applies to Democrats, but it can do no wrong on the other side.

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<v Emily>Or maybe, no, it's bullshit.

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<v Ivan>Hey, by the way, tell me where the fuck Jill Stein is. Can you fucking,

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<v Ivan>hey, can you tell me where the fuck Jill Stein is?

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<v Emily>I'm sorry. You know what the fuck Jill Stein is?

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<v Ivan>The alarm is going to be a warm honor and what's going to destroy the world?

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<v Ivan>Where the fuck is that bitch?

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<v Emily>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Well, look, this is a fundamental cultural difference, too. The right thing

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<v Sam>This fundamentally is about authority and lines of authority and respecting

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<v Sam>authority and blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>The left is about diversity of opinion and all of this kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>And so this is very much aligned with all the folks on the right saying,

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<v Sam>well, what if Clinton's in the Epstein files?

02:03:03.490 --> 02:03:08.790
<v Sam>What if Clinton did this? And people on the left are like, well, then fuck him.

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<v Emily>Jail yeah he probably is go put him in jail let him die there let him rot yeah whereas they.

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<v Sam>And they can't imagine this because they're like well you defend your guy no.

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<v Emily>Matter what fucking idiots i can't.

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<v Ivan>I can't i can't anyway all right we were supposedly trying to wrap up.

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<v Emily>Yeah sorry i did that I need that. I did it. Sorry, it was me. No, no, no.

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<v Ivan>But we do it. No, no, no. Sorry, we do. No, no, no. We do this. Fuck.

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<v Ivan>You know, yeah, we're going for a wrap up. And all of a sudden,

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<v Ivan>it's like, what happened? Oh, yeah. Okay.

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<v Sam>And I heard you going for the Taylor Swift lyric. And then Yvonne interrupted

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<v Sam>you. But, you know. Anyway.

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<v Emily>Does anyone have any plans this weekend? Good plans. Fun plans.

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<v Ivan>I think we're done bowling tomorrow.

02:04:01.440 --> 02:04:02.820
<v Sam>I'm going to exercise.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to go bowling, and I'm flying to Puerto Rico on Monday.

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<v Emily>Wow.

02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:10.760
<v Sam>I'm going to work on stuff around home and watch TV.

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<v Emily>Same. Same.

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<v Ivan>There you go.

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<v Sam>Okay, so.

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<v Emily>It's so beautiful in Washington right now. Hopefully it'll be nice this weekend, too.

02:04:19.320 --> 02:04:24.820
<v Sam>Yeah, it's in the 50s. Awesome. Go out, walk.

02:04:25.080 --> 02:04:29.300
<v Sam>Yeah, we probably will go to a park and walk the dog with my mom and my son.

02:04:29.300 --> 02:04:36.660
<v Ivan>I will say, look, one of the issues with what it gets cold here is that my house is made to stay cool.

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<v Ivan>And what happens is that when you've got more floors, they get so damn cold.

02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:50.900
<v Ivan>And so it's just during the day, it's just really uncomfortable.

02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:57.180
<v Ivan>And I And since I Since I don't live like in I have a friend in Mexico City

02:04:57.180 --> 02:05:03.900
<v Ivan>that did the thing Where under the marble They ram these lines To heat the floor

02:05:03.900 --> 02:05:10.720
<v Ivan>Since I don't live in a place that's that cold I don't have that shit here Okay We have.

02:05:10.720 --> 02:05:16.800
<v Emily>A upstairs bathroom And it's way too hot up there Like it's like Sammy cleans my bathroom.

02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:20.660
<v Ivan>She hates it You need more controls.

02:05:22.660 --> 02:05:28.620
<v Emily>It's so easy to do those, though, because you just have to lay it down before you... Sorry.

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<v Sam>As I try to wrap it up for like the eight millionth time... Are you trying to get...

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<v Ivan>As I have my medal here that I will present to you the next time I see you.

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<v Sam>Yes, my medal.

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<v Ivan>For the 2003 Most Valuable Player.

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<v Sam>Curmudgeons-corner.com. Go to the website. You'll find all the ways to contact us.

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<v Sam>Yvonne and I, anyway. Emily, what's the best way to get in touch with you and or plug your podcast?

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<v Emily>Oh, sure. So you can find us at theumsurpodcast at gmail.com.

02:06:03.110 --> 02:06:09.190
<v Emily>You can follow the ums or follow umsir podcast, know thee on Instagram.

02:06:09.570 --> 02:06:15.830
<v Emily>And you can also follow me, Emily and Everett, and I will connect you with Sammy and everyone else.

02:06:15.990 --> 02:06:18.950
<v Emily>So both places are really fun, but we're definitely on Instagram.

02:06:18.950 --> 02:06:23.150
<v Emily>And then you can find us, Samly Blicks on TikTok, because that's where the kids

02:06:23.150 --> 02:06:25.810
<v Emily>are these days. And you guys are too. The kids.

02:06:25.970 --> 02:06:28.950
<v Sam>Yeah, the kids. We're the kids.

02:06:29.470 --> 02:06:33.570
<v Sam>so anyway on the website all the ways to contact us our archive of episodes

02:06:33.570 --> 02:06:37.550
<v Sam>transcripts all that kind of stuff and a link to our patreon so you can give

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<v Sam>us money we like money money is fun,

02:06:41.270 --> 02:06:45.770
<v Sam>and at various levels we'll send you a postcard we'll send you a mug we'll mention

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<v Sam>you on the show we'll do all this kind of stuff importantly at two dollars a

02:06:49.470 --> 02:06:52.790
<v Sam>month or more or if you just ask us we will invite you to our conventions corner

02:06:52.790 --> 02:06:58.390
<v Sam>slack where yvonne and i and emily and And all sorts of other folks are sharing

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<v Sam>links and chatting throughout the week.

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<v Sam>So do either of you have something from the Slack that you would like to highlight?

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<v Ivan>I have it already because I had mentioned something earlier and I realized that

02:07:09.430 --> 02:07:11.270
<v Ivan>I did save it. Okay for this? Okay.

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<v Ivan>Sam has these weird methods of organizing his work and algorithms.

02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:19.820
<v Ivan>Like, he's got these lists sometimes.

02:07:20.160 --> 02:07:24.620
<v Ivan>Now he's working on this list thing where he randomly assigns his tasks and stuff.

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<v Ivan>So he's got these methods, you know, he's got his methods, okay?

02:07:28.820 --> 02:07:34.760
<v Ivan>So I found this guy online that apparently is kin to Sam in this way.

02:07:34.880 --> 02:07:38.720
<v Ivan>For he wrote, I write C++ every day for two hours.

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<v Ivan>And find this a day. I add two hours to the next day This has truly been a game

02:07:45.120 --> 02:07:50.240
<v Ivan>changer Tomorrow I'm supposed to code For three years And this totally sounds

02:07:50.240 --> 02:07:53.700
<v Ivan>like something Sam would do Based on his schedule Absolutely,

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<v Ivan>You know, so yeah, so this guy, this guy is your kind of guy, Sam.

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<v Sam>Excellent. Emily, do you have one?

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<v Emily>What is this? What are we doing?

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<v Ivan>Some random tidbit that's funny.

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<v Sam>Is there some article or something from the Curmudgeon's Chorus Slack that you

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<v Sam>wanted to highlight that we have not talked about on the show?

02:08:16.670 --> 02:08:18.650
<v Sam>Or for that matter, if you have a funny article.

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<v Emily>You know, I want to just read this because as you were saying that,

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<v Emily>I was like, oh, am I supposed to find something in the Slack?

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<v Emily>And this is what I immediately came to, and I will read it out loud.

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<v Emily>What did we get stuck in our rectums last year?

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<v Ivan>Oh!

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<v Sam>Yeah, I think we mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Emily>No, I'm just clicking in there, and I'm like, this is what came up.

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<v Emily>So this is what I'm choosing.

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<v Emily>This is the time of year to be grateful for not having things stuck in our asses

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<v Emily>and to think of those less fortunate than us.

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<v Emily>So spare thought for those Americans who misjudged the capacity of their own orifices.

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<v Emily>All reports are taken from the U.S.

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<v Emily>Consumer Product Safety Commission's database of emergency room visits.

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<v Emily>So, yeah, those are things that got stuck in people's asses and were reported.

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<v Sam>And they have, like.

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<v Ivan>They file reports with details on every single one, yes.

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<v Emily>And people are very creative. I do not want to look at it.

02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:25.220
<v Emily>but I appreciated that. Also, I had like a random, the Slack bot did a custom

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<v Emily>response for me. Have you seen those?

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<v Emily>And in response to someone, it wanted me to put a little poop,

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<v Emily>you know, like a little poop emoji. And I'm like, I don't understand.

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<v Sam>No, there are some auto responses that

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<v Sam>were actually set up by someone who was on the

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<v Sam>Slack years ago who isn't anymore that if if people say certain things it will

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<v Sam>auto respond not just you saw it but other people saw it too so like for instance

02:09:53.980 --> 02:09:58.920
<v Sam>you're you're one you saw is basically if anyone says shit or poop or anything

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<v Sam>like that it just automatically responds with the emoji yes.

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<v Ivan>Well and the thing is that whenever i you know whenever the word fuck is used

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<v Ivan>on the slack it assumes it's me.

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<v Emily>Oh.

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<v Ivan>Which is probably correct.

02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:12.860
<v Sam>There goes Yvonne again.

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<v Emily>Well, I guess I'll use my colorful language going forward. Okay.

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<v Emily>And it can guess who it is.

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<v Sam>Okay. Well, thanks everybody. Thank you, Emily, for joining us once again.

02:10:26.200 --> 02:10:27.500
<v Sam>Thanks for being here. It's been a blast as usual.

02:10:28.020 --> 02:10:28.840
<v Emily>So fun to be here.

02:10:29.580 --> 02:10:33.660
<v Sam>And everybody, listen to us, but also tune in to UMSUR.

02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:34.100
<v Emily>Yeah.

02:10:35.580 --> 02:10:39.520
<v Sam>They also publish most weeks and it's good stuff. Okay.

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<v Sam>And with that, I think we are done. Thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Sam>Have a great week. Stay safe. Stay fun.

02:10:47.200 --> 02:10:52.260
<v Sam>Sorry, because these last two weeks we recorded at the beginning of the week

02:10:52.260 --> 02:10:54.080
<v Sam>two weeks ago and the end of the week this time.

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<v Sam>So it's one of the longest gaps between episodes we've ever had.

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<v Sam>So hopefully you didn't get out of the habit and you're back here.

02:11:01.740 --> 02:11:05.960
<v Sam>I guess if you're still listening here at the end of the episode, you are. So whatever.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Anyway, have a great week, everybody. We'll see you next time. Everybody say goodbye.

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<v Emily>Goodbye.

02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:14.380
<v Ivan>Bye.

02:11:15.320 --> 02:11:15.820
<v Sam>Goodbye.

02:11:46.520 --> 02:11:50.480
<v Sam>Okay. Yvonne, next time we lose your audio in the middle, we'll take the time

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<v Sam>to fix it, because it did sound, like, noticeably worse ever since that happened.

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<v Ivan>I don't fucking understand.

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<v Sam>It's on the ones in your ears. I can tell.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>Okay. Bye, everyone. Thank you again.

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<v Ivan>Stop. Report.

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<v Sam>Stop. Stop.

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<v Ivan>Stop. Stop.

