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<v Sam>I can't hear you. Hold on.

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<v Ivan>I can hear you.

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<v Sam>Ah, that's why. Hello. Hello.

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<v Ivan>Can you hear me now?

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<v Sam>Yes, I can hear you now.

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<v Ivan>I can hear you now. You're over there watching some program about kids not having

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<v Ivan>to cross the border four times to go to school.

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. It was a CGP gray clip on TikTok. His YouTube's great. You should check it out.

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<v Ivan>I have seen some. something from him.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah, I had no idea you were there. Okay. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Sam>I'm like, wait a second, the live stream just came up. Okay.

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<v Sam>Let's get everything toasted.

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<v Ivan>Toasted. Okay. All right. Well, that's one.

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<v Sam>Toasted. Toasted. Here we go. Here we go.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Sunday, January 4th, 2026.

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<v Sam>Welcome to another Curmudgeons Corner. This is Sam Minter and Yvonne Boas here with us. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello. This year already feels way too long.

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<v Sam>It's only been four days.

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<v Ivan>It's only been four days!

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<v Sam>Not even the full fourth day yet.

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<v Ivan>No!

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<v Sam>Anyway, this is another of our special shows.

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<v Sam>This is our review of our 2025 predictions.

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<v Sam>Now, we did have at least one significant news event since last week's show.

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<v Sam>We went into Venezuela and took Maduro, and there's undoubtedly lots to talk about that.

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<v Sam>We've got a big review show to do, though, Yvonne. Do you want to say anything

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<v Sam>about Venezuela before we move on, or can we save that till next week?

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<v Sam>I mean, there may be more developments by next week, too.

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<v Ivan>Here's the one weird thing about this whole Venezuela thing, okay? Right?

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<v Ivan>Or maybe it's not weird. I guess it's actually expected.

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<v Ivan>I believe that when I spoke about this on the show,

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<v Ivan>sometime well before this happened right now, My main concern was,

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<v Ivan>it's not that Maduro isn't an illegal dictator that I think should be removed.

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<v Ivan>There has been a massive exodus of people. Look, I know people that have died under Maduro, okay?

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<v Ivan>People that have had to go into exile because being persecuted by Maduro,

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<v Ivan>okay? This isn't some kind of abstract thing that it is for most people in the

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<v Ivan>United States that are talking a lot about it and have no clue, okay?

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<v Ivan>Oh, well, there is this duly elected person. The entire elections in Venezuela

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<v Ivan>have been a fraud for 20 years, okay?

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<v Ivan>They have, I mean, independent observers have said this repeatedly,

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<v Ivan>that the elections have been a sham, all of them, okay? So don't tell me this

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<v Ivan>thing, that there is some lawful government.

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<v Ivan>He illegally took power.

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<v Ivan>Chavez took it first, transferred to him, and he's kept it.

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<v Ivan>And they have systematically done a campaign of terror against the population,

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<v Ivan>jailed the opposition, murdered them,

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<v Ivan>incited murder against people, persecuted them, and left people to die.

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<v Ivan>Repeatedly that the the number the

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<v Ivan>the diaspora of venezuelans that has occurred over the last 15 years is crazy

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<v Ivan>okay you there has been no country that's experienced such a mass migration

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<v Ivan>in the americas especially one that was as developed as venezuela in the last

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<v Ivan>you know in history and so quickly.

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<v Ivan>So, but my problems at the beginning was, well,

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<v Ivan>if Trump is doing this, he's not doing it for any good reasons and probably

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<v Ivan>has no plan other than some vague thing about we're going to be rich.

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<v Sam>Well, and I'll add, and we had a discussion on the curmudgeon's course slack about this.

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<v Sam>There's also process issues. I mean, there's like.

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<v Ivan>Donald, whether or not even the international ones or not, the U.S.

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<v Ivan>processes. Yes.

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<v Sam>Whether or not you agree with the ultimate goal. And I think there's,

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<v Sam>you know, there's multiple issues.

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<v Sam>There's there's whether you think, you know, it would be better if Maduro was gone.

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<v Sam>There's, do you think the U.S. should intervene in making sure Maduro is gone?

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<v Sam>And then there's the process. These are all independent questions, right?

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<v Sam>Then there's the question of what's the right way to do it and what's legal and what's not.

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<v Sam>And it's fairly clear that, you know, although I did see some legal analysis

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<v Sam>saying there is some debate even here, But Donald Trump did not follow any of

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<v Sam>the processes you would expect to be followed to do this kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>Yes, 100%. He didn't go to Congress. He didn't build public support domestically. He didn't do Jack.

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<v Ivan>I mean, what's the justification? How did he justify this for Americans? Okay?

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<v Sam>Well, that's changed every 10 seconds.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, but let me be clear. I've always said, what the— Listen, everybody—,

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<v Ivan>It keeps making this too complicated. Trump is transactional,

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<v Ivan>okay? As we all know. The transaction is super simple.

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<v Ivan>Damn it. I shared with you. You guys don't understand.

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<v Ivan>Trump Doral is in Doral.

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<v Ivan>Doral is the biggest fucking community of the Venezuelan diaspora.

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<v Ivan>A lot of those people have money. A lot of those people were members of the

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<v Ivan>Trump fucking country club. God damn it.

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<v Sam>Uh-huh. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>This is transactional with those people that probably promised them riches,

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<v Ivan>things, whatever. Hey, get us our country back and we'll make you rich.

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<v Ivan>That's it. I guarantee you.

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<v Ivan>There is nothing else.

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<v Sam>Right. Yeah. As usual, he's pushing the personal stuff you talked about. He's pushing oil.

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<v Sam>There's this. There's that. And the oil people don't even.

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<v Ivan>Well, the oil part is.

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<v Sam>He's like having to like coerce the oil companies to like participate in this

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<v Sam>because they don't really want to anyway.

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<v Ivan>The problem with the oil, OK,

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<v Ivan>is that, you know, Venezuela had infrastructure and a very capable oil workforce

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<v Ivan>that had been there up until the sometime in the 2000s.

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<v Ivan>Decades of investment.

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<v Ivan>A vertically integrated extraction, refining, distribution with Citgo in the

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<v Ivan>United States as well. part of that, that generated quite a lot of money.

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<v Ivan>And by the way, it was also the most efficient per employee oil company in the

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<v Ivan>world back before Hugo Chavez took over, okay?

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<v Ivan>And Hugo Chavez destroyed that, okay?

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<v Ivan>Because what he, you know, the first thing that he did when he came in is that

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<v Ivan>he decided that he wanted the company to, well, I want to do all these programs.

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<v Ivan>You need to give me more money. You need to give me more money.

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<v Ivan>And he was demanding so much money. Okay. You're, you're, you're making us take

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<v Ivan>money away from the investment that we regularly do to maintain production. Okay.

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<v Ivan>We can't, you can't, you can't extract that much money from the company without

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<v Ivan>destroying its future ability to produce oil, okay?

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<v Ivan>You know, these facilities need continuous reinvestment.

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<v Ivan>And he kept doing that, and then he said, all you people aren't loyal,

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<v Ivan>and then he fired all the oil employees, okay?

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<v Ivan>And so for a while, as it happens with these organizations, oh,

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<v Ivan>you see, I fired all the people, so everything's fine.

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<v Ivan>Well, everything started breaking down over years as the lack of maintenance,

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<v Ivan>the lack of knowledge, the lack of investment took its toll on oil production,

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<v Ivan>where oil production now in Venezuela, even though reserves are still there,

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<v Ivan>is down over 80, 90 percent.

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<v Ivan>80, 90 percent. They have lost 80 to 90 percent of their oil producing capacity.

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<v Ivan>This is because of all the disinvestment and all the refineries and everything.

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<v Ivan>There was an article in the New York Times the last couple of years that showed

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<v Ivan>the environmental devastation in Venezuela from the lack of attention that has

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<v Ivan>been paid to all these facilities that have just completely broken down, exploded,

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<v Ivan>started leaking.

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<v Ivan>just are non-functional and have just created environmental devastation wherever

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<v Ivan>they are located, okay? Because they've just been left to rot.

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<v Sam>So anyway, I want to make sure...

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<v Ivan>So an oil company, okay, the point is you go, oh, Exxon, go down there and invest

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<v Ivan>and you're looking at this rusting hulk of shit, okay?

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<v Ivan>And wait, before I pull anything, I got to invest how much money?

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<v Ivan>And by the way, this isn't light sweet crude oil, which is the easy one,

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<v Ivan>It's bunker oil, so I have to have the refineries, and you guys destroyed the fucking refineries.

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<v Ivan>Venezuela used to make all their own gasoline. You could buy gasoline in Venezuela

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<v Ivan>20 years ago at four cents a gallon, okay? Right now, they have to import gasoline.

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<v Sam>So, anyway, we've got multiple things here.

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<v Sam>We've got, okay, we got the guy, we pulled him out, which apparently, like, look,

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<v Sam>Everything else equal, the fact that we were able to go in, swoop in,

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<v Sam>grab the president and out with apparently minimal casualties,

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<v Sam>even on the Venezuelan side, they're reporting 40 dead,

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<v Sam>which is not nothing, but it is a lot less than it could be.

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<v Ivan>Um and and by the way why do you i'm telling you the reason it happened is because

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<v Ivan>the support for maduro is so low that none of those people that were there yes

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<v Ivan>he had this entire security apparatus or whatever but when push came to shove

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<v Ivan>they're like yeah fuck him take him.

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<v Sam>Well well there's at least some reports going around and i think there's a lot

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<v Sam>of reporting that hasn't been

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<v Sam>fully verified yet, you know, but there's some reporting that the U.S.

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<v Sam>was in back-channel conversations through Dubai with the VP about,

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<v Sam>hey, I'm actually better than Maduro.

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<v Sam>Let's get rid of him and you can deal with me instead, you know, this kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So there's, but again, okay.

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<v Ivan>But again, my point is that there was nobody, everybody, nobody there had the level of loyalty,

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<v Ivan>to go and just, you know, start a shooting over defending Maduro. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So your VP, who, by the way, they said is the main person, like,

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<v Ivan>supporter of him, basically is like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll do it.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, get rid of him.

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<v Sam>Anyway, anyway, we've got several different distinct issues, I think, here. One is...

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<v Sam>Is it good to get rid of Maduro? Two, is how Donald Trump did this appropriate?

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<v Sam>And then number three, which you brought up earlier, is there a plan going forward?

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<v Sam>Because it already seems like no.

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<v Ivan>There's no plan. And that was the whole fucking problem.

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<v Ivan>I always said from the beginning, because if you were going to do this,

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<v Ivan>the right approach, which is like the approach that happened in Panama,

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<v Ivan>was that very quickly we had an interim government and we set up a free election.

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<v Ivan>And that's it. OK.

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<v Sam>But here's the thing. Even facts on the ground versus what Donald Trump is saying

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<v Sam>versus the justification they gave are all different at this point.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>The official justification is we're going in. This is a criminal arrest.

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<v Sam>The whole military aspect was just to support the arrest. The FBI is going in.

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<v Sam>They're arresting him for drug charges.

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<v Ivan>Listen, there had been ample evidence for a long time before for this that Maduro

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<v Ivan>had used the military in Venezuela to traffic drugs in order to enrich himself.

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<v Sam>Fine. But that justification lends towards we're in and out.

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<v Sam>We grabbed him and then we're done. We have nothing to do with anything else whatsoever.

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<v Sam>Meanwhile, Donald Trump is talking about regime change.

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<v Sam>And we're going to run the country. Rubio is going to be in charge or whatever.

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<v Sam>And I mean, wait.

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<v Ivan>He said that he said, wait, wait, wait, he did say that. No, he didn't say that.

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<v Sam>You you said that. I thought I thought you were channeling.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. I that was just on my bingo card that I made up this bingo card.

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<v Ivan>And I thought Rubio won't be in charge of Venezuela.

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<v Sam>I thought you had actually heard him say that. No, what I can verify that he

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<v Sam>said was that there will be sort of a committee of the important people.

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<v Sam>When he was asked who will be in charge, he gestured around to the people in the room.

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<v Sam>So that was Rubio, Hegseth, a few other people from the cabinet and military.

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<v Sam>So basically he was like, it's us, us here in this room. We're the ones who

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<v Sam>are going to be in charge. But meanwhile, on the ground...

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<v Ivan>We're doing nothing. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't understand.

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<v Sam>In order to impose something like that, you can't just go in,

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<v Sam>grab the president, and leave because the VP is ostensibly in charge now.

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<v Sam>There's the person who actually, quote unquote, won the previous rigged election

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<v Sam>who was an opposition figure who reportedly got a significant landslide, actually.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>And then we've got that lady who won the Nobel Peace Prize, who's also in the contention.

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<v Ivan>That was Weidol, who all reports say that he did—I mean, there was a lot of

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<v Ivan>data that showed that he won the election in a landslide, yes.

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<v Sam>But anyway, the facts on the ground are not us occupying Venezuela.

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<v Sam>So all of this talk about all of these things we intend to do there,

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<v Sam>where the hell is that coming from, unless there's a lot more coming up?

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<v Ivan>I know where they're coming from, Sam.

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<v Sam>And what Hegseth said— Wait, wait.

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<v Ivan>No, I know where they're coming from.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>Out of his ass.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes. Well, and— I mean.

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<v Ivan>Am I wrong?

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<v Sam>No, you're not wrong, but I think there's at least some question of whether,

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<v Sam>you know, whether he's just making shit up or whether he's actually delusional.

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<v Sam>You know, and whether there's a delta between— I mean.

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<v Ivan>I think that right now it's very difficult to discern the difference between those two.

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<v Sam>Yes, is he lying or is he delusional? We don't know.

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<v Ivan>Who the hell knows? Who the hell knows? Right.

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<v Sam>Right. So, and how this plays out ends up being very different if we really

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<v Sam>are done or whether there's more coming.

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<v Ivan>Listen, if we don't want a repeat of Iraq, I will say the one thing, okay?

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>That leaving the current government in charge,

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<v Ivan>Is one way of ensuring that we don't have the kind of collapse that led to a

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<v Ivan>lot more bloodshed, like in Iraq, where we went and we created this vacuum that created just.

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<v Sam>If you actually work with this, this government and try to coerce them into,

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<v Sam>oh, OK, a year from now, you'll have real elections.

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<v Ivan>You'll be right. You're going to have a independent monitor,

00:16:48.650 --> 00:16:51.570
<v Ivan>you know, election that is free and fair.

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<v Ivan>We're going to give you this timeline. You're going to do this and whatever.

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<v Ivan>and, you know, you're going to do those actions, then OK.

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<v Ivan>But that I mean that that but but but but the point is that they didn't seem

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<v Ivan>to have that planned already.

00:17:05.770 --> 00:17:09.470
<v Ivan>They went in and did this without without this already structured.

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<v Sam>According to what Trump said in his news conference, this VP had told Rubio

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<v Sam>that she'd be cooperative.

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<v Sam>Of course, then she immediately gave a speech saying, no, no,

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<v Sam>absolutely not. But of course, she has to. Right.

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<v Ivan>Right. So who knows what's really

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<v Ivan>going on? Right. Who knows what's really going on? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay. We should move on and do our actual show for today.

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<v Sam>So let me introduce and then we'll take a break and then we'll get into it.

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<v Sam>Basically, if you listened to last week's show, you heard us do our predictions

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<v Sam>for 2026. A year and a week ago, we did our predictions for 2025.

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<v Sam>There were five sections, politics, international, economy, technology, and hodgepodge.

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<v Sam>So we are going to, when we come back, we are going to review the predictions we made a year ago.

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<v Sam>I spent about, I don't know, five hours or so going over last week's show over

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<v Sam>the last, I started last night, finished this morning.

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<v Ivan>Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh my God.

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<v Ivan>Oh my God. Oh my God. I gotta pull out my bingo card And cross it off Washington

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<v Ivan>Post front cover Rubio takes on his most challenging role yet Viceroy Of Venezuela,

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<v Ivan>Yes Shit.

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<v Sam>You know, he should just move there into the presidential palace.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>You know, so, yeah. He can do that and be secretary of state here at the same time, right?

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<v Ivan>I thought that I was, like, really stretching it by saying, let me put,

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<v Ivan>you know, somebody said, hey, make a 2026 bingo card, all sorts of crazy stuff.

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<v Ivan>So I got Putin dying and, you know, Ukraine at peace.

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<v Ivan>I don't know, whatever. And I said, you know what? Rubio's in charge of Venezuela. Fuck it.

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<v Ivan>I just wrote that like three days ago and boom! I didn't even get to...

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<v Sam>Anyway Anyway we are going to have after this we're going to take a break and

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<v Sam>then we'll come back and we'll do one segment for each of these we will go over

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<v Sam>all of the predictions we made.

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<v Sam>I listened to the show carefully. I wrote down every prediction that either

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<v Sam>Yvonne or I made for most of them I tried to do a preliminary fact check so

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<v Sam>that I know whether we were right or wrong.

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<v Sam>For some of them, Yvonne and I will have to discuss to make a final determination.

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<v Sam>But that's basically the plan.

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<v Sam>And, you know, last week's show, yeah, the prediction show is usually the longest

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<v Sam>of the year. This is usually like the second longest of the year.

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<v Sam>So let's get to it. We're going to take the first break and then we'll come

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<v Sam>back and talk about our politics predictions for 2025 and see how we did.

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<v Sam>How do you think we did, Yvonne? I think we did good.

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<v Ivan>I have no idea Okay.

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<v Sam>Here we go Break, break, break,

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<v Sam>I will mention that he has been posting on that channel again.

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<v Sam>There was a new video posted just yesterday. It's an almost one hour long video,

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<v Sam>most of which is the camera pointed at the wall of his room with nobody visible.

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<v Sam>But you can hear him and his grandmother talking.

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<v Ivan>Well, that's riveting.

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<v Sam>As they work on a story.

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<v Ivan>Are we going to nominate this for like some kind of like gold?

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<v Sam>Globe or academy a webby.

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<v Ivan>A webby best short film uh you know unscripted short film i don't know something.

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<v Sam>I don't know it's that episode's long enough i'm not sure it qualifies as a

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<v Sam>short i mean it's not a full it's not feature length i think you have to be

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<v Sam>over an hour for that and it's like 54 minutes or something okay so.

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<v Ivan>It quite you know it's a short film.

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<v Sam>I guess so yeah Although when I think about short films, I'm usually thinking

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<v Sam>like 20 minutes or something.

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<v Ivan>15, 20 minutes.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>It's under an hour.

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<v Sam>Okay. Let's get started. And I'm trying to figure out like the right place to

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<v Sam>put all my windows so I can see everything I need to see.

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<v Ivan>Can I just mention again on the affordability? Well, two quick things before we go.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes.

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<v Ivan>Number one is on the affordability crisis right now. My last coffee order,

00:21:59.510 --> 00:22:05.310
<v Ivan>my coffee that used to be $12 a pound came in at $23 per pack. Okay. All right.

00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:05.870
<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>So much for that thing. So that's one thing.

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<v Ivan>The second thing is that I don't remember anymore. So let's move on.

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<v Sam>That was very profound, Yvonne. Thank you for interjecting that.

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<v Ivan>I know that I usually have, you know, very profound things. Oh,

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<v Ivan>no, no. The polymarkets thing.

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<v Sam>Oh, yes, yes.

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<v Ivan>You didn't see somebody went and like made a killing in polymarkets on the Venezuela invasion?

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<v Sam>You posted that on our curmudgeon's corner slack like 12 hours after I did. But yes, go ahead.

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<v Ivan>Well, no, that somebody did. Well, I didn't see that you put it.

00:22:41.610 --> 00:22:43.030
<v Ivan>That somebody went and did it.

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<v Sam>They put in a whole bunch of money on Venezuela-related issues a few hours before it happened.

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<v Ivan>Now, here's the one thing. On that bet, man, it could have been almost anybody.

00:22:56.270 --> 00:22:59.210
<v Ivan>You could have been a military guy for all, you know.

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<v Ivan>I mean, hey, you know, you're one of the soldiers. You're going to send to Venezuela.

00:23:03.350 --> 00:23:04.530
<v Ivan>You're like, well, fuck this.

00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:08.090
<v Ivan>Polymarket, boom. I'm putting in money and we're invading Venezuela. Boom.

00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:09.070
<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Sam>It could have been anybody. You're right. The number of people who knew,

00:23:15.070 --> 00:23:20.450
<v Sam>quote unquote, knew something more definitive than the general public was in the thousands.

00:23:20.790 --> 00:23:23.050
<v Ivan>It was in the thousands. Yeah. So, yeah.

00:23:23.370 --> 00:23:27.650
<v Sam>So, we can't just automatically point this to Hegseth or something.

00:23:28.050 --> 00:23:32.430
<v Ivan>Right. Which I have falling off a carrier drunk during 2026,

00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:33.810
<v Ivan>and I would like to see if that happens.

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<v Sam>On your bingo card?

00:23:34.790 --> 00:23:35.090
<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>That would be cool.

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<v Sam>It would be interesting. can we get started yes.

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<v Ivan>Let's get started.

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<v Sam>Okay our first prediction last year was about elon musk and how he would end

00:23:51.510 --> 00:23:58.510
<v Sam>his time as advisor to the president we both agreed well,

00:24:01.250 --> 00:24:07.290
<v Sam>actually this is slightly different your prediction was just that he would not

00:24:07.290 --> 00:24:10.350
<v Sam>last the year as an advisor you were correct.

00:24:10.350 --> 00:24:11.310
<v Ivan>That was correct.

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<v Sam>Okay i was more

00:24:14.330 --> 00:24:17.710
<v Sam>specific i had several bits on this one

00:24:17.710 --> 00:24:21.690
<v Sam>was that musk would not be fired by tweet and

00:24:21.690 --> 00:24:24.710
<v Sam>i was right i mean there was a there was

00:24:24.710 --> 00:24:27.750
<v Sam>a tweet battle but they had a little going away for

00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:30.630
<v Sam>him party for him in the oval office they had some

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:34.110
<v Sam>other stuff going on they they had pre-announced the

00:24:34.110 --> 00:24:36.870
<v Sam>date before it actually happened for for his

00:24:36.870 --> 00:24:39.850
<v Sam>official end date right um so i'm counting myself

00:24:39.850 --> 00:24:43.570
<v Sam>as right and i will say that rather

00:24:43.570 --> 00:24:48.310
<v Sam>than a formal firing i also said it would just sort of become more and more

00:24:48.310 --> 00:24:54.350
<v Sam>clear that trump had stopped paying attention to musk and i think even before

00:24:54.350 --> 00:24:58.470
<v Sam>he officially left that was already starting to happen but what do you think

00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:00.330
<v Sam>should i should i count that for me or no.

00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:01.820
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:03.780
<v Sam>Okay. I counted as yes.

00:25:03.820 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:11.540
<v Sam>Yeah. And then I said Musk will be gone by the end of June as a meaningful advisor.

00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:16.060
<v Sam>His farewell in the Oval Office that I mentioned was May 30th.

00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:19.700
<v Sam>His tweet about Trump being in the Epstein files was June 5th.

00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:24.080
<v Sam>So I think I did good on timing. I said before the end of June and May.

00:25:24.380 --> 00:25:24.580
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Sam>Yes on that. Then, next up, we both agreed that there would be no legislation

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.120
<v Sam>passed to privatize the U.S.

00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:36.080
<v Sam>Postal Service. And we were correct.

00:25:36.580 --> 00:25:37.920
<v Ivan>Okay, good.

00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:47.060
<v Sam>Okay, next up, you said that the Trump inauguration crowd size would be bigger than 2016.

00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Sam>Were you right, Yvonne?

00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.100
<v Ivan>I don't know. Was I?

00:25:51.860 --> 00:25:57.460
<v Sam>No, because they moved it inside and it was an invited crowd only because of weather.

00:25:58.260 --> 00:26:00.740
<v Ivan>Oh, because of the weather. That's right.

00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:01.080
<v Sam>Right.

00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:01.560
<v Ivan>Oh, wow.

00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:06.800
<v Sam>So you were wrong. Meanwhile, I did predict that it would be smaller than 2016 and I was right.

00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:10.580
<v Sam>Although I did not like give the, it was be because of weather and all that.

00:26:10.780 --> 00:26:11.020
<v Ivan>Right.

00:26:11.100 --> 00:26:11.700
<v Sam>It was smaller.

00:26:11.860 --> 00:26:13.320
<v Ivan>Well, I was wrong.

00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Sam>I further said that clump.

00:26:16.660 --> 00:26:25.280
<v Ivan>Clump, clump, I further claim Donald clump. Yes.

00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:30.940
<v Sam>I said that Donald Trump will claim it was bigger though. And in fact,

00:26:31.060 --> 00:26:33.340
<v Sam>not only that, but claim that it was the biggest ever.

00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Ivan>He did.

00:26:35.300 --> 00:26:39.460
<v Sam>No, he didn't. He did neither of those things because it was inside and stuff.

00:26:39.580 --> 00:26:40.740
<v Sam>So I got both of those wrong.

00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:42.480
<v Ivan>Oh God. Oh, well.

00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.140
<v Sam>Okay. Next, we both said there would be no recess appointments for the cabinet,

00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.820
<v Sam>that Donald Trump would not need to do that.

00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:57.340
<v Sam>There were, in fact, no recess appointments. They were all regular appointments for the cabinet.

00:26:57.980 --> 00:26:59.780
<v Sam>So we were both right on that.

00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:06.220
<v Sam>We both agreed that there would be a full cabinet in place by October 1st.

00:27:06.320 --> 00:27:09.620
<v Sam>That was a date that Bruce gave us. We both said that was plenty of time.

00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:16.620
<v Sam>We were both correct. In fact, the last cabinet position to be filled was March 10th.

00:27:17.100 --> 00:27:20.140
<v Sam>You have a guess as to which cabinet position was last?

00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Ivan>Health secretary?

00:27:22.820 --> 00:27:24.060
<v Sam>No, labor.

00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Ivan>Labor.

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.560
<v Sam>Health was somewhere in the middle.

00:27:27.260 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:35.220
<v Sam>Okay. And then we both confidently agreed that there was absolutely no question

00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:39.700
<v Sam>whatsoever that there would be some cabinet turnover by the end of the year.

00:27:40.360 --> 00:27:49.780
<v Sam>In fact, all 21 members of Donald Trump's cabinet were confirmed and have been

00:27:49.780 --> 00:27:51.560
<v Sam>there ever since and are still there.

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Ivan>I'd say that's one of the more shocking developments.

00:27:55.430 --> 00:28:01.670
<v Ivan>this year, the fact that there's been no turnover in the cabinet because that

00:28:01.670 --> 00:28:03.270
<v Ivan>was a regular of the first term.

00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:08.190
<v Sam>Well, cause I think the difference is this year he 100% went for loyalty.

00:28:08.510 --> 00:28:12.850
<v Sam>Whereas last time around, he got a whole bunch of people that other folks were

00:28:12.850 --> 00:28:17.870
<v Sam>telling him were experts or were good or had, you know, knew about the space

00:28:17.870 --> 00:28:21.410
<v Sam>or whatever. And he didn't like any of those people because they kept telling him no.

00:28:23.030 --> 00:28:28.230
<v Ivan>So he hired a cabinet of yes, men. And because the cabinet is a cabinet of yes, men and women,

00:28:30.930 --> 00:28:33.170
<v Ivan>they, you know, they're all still there. Okay.

00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:39.890
<v Sam>Yeah. So we were both wrong on that one. We both agreed that there would be

00:28:39.890 --> 00:28:43.690
<v Sam>no January 6th type drama before the inauguration. We were correct.

00:28:44.370 --> 00:28:47.810
<v Ivan>So a bunch of Democrats that didn't go and like invade the Capitol.

00:28:48.330 --> 00:28:51.630
<v Sam>No, nothing like that. And I also went further and said there won't even be

00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:57.530
<v Sam>the kind of drama we had in 2016, where there were some objections at the January

00:28:57.530 --> 00:28:59.730
<v Sam>6th ceremonies that were instantly overridden.

00:28:59.750 --> 00:29:03.850
<v Sam>We didn't even have that, I don't think. So I'm counting myself right on that.

00:29:04.570 --> 00:29:11.290
<v Sam>We also both agreed, because there was a little bit of chatter that maybe Biden

00:29:11.290 --> 00:29:16.810
<v Sam>would be creative with this, but no mini-Harris presidency between Biden and Trump.

00:29:17.210 --> 00:29:17.730
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:29:19.690 --> 00:29:23.590
<v Sam>A few folks were toying around with the idea, it was really half a joke,

00:29:23.790 --> 00:29:30.850
<v Sam>that Biden could resign like a one week early, let Harris be president for a week so that, you know,

00:29:31.510 --> 00:29:36.490
<v Sam>Trump wouldn't be 47, we'd have a woman president for at least a little bit,

00:29:36.710 --> 00:29:37.650
<v Sam>you know, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:37.850 --> 00:29:40.050
<v Sam>No, that did not happen. So we were both correct.

00:29:40.650 --> 00:29:45.490
<v Sam>I further predicted that Biden would indeed attend the inauguration and hand it over. I was right.

00:29:46.570 --> 00:29:50.890
<v Sam>we both agreed that trump would still be president at the end of the year we were correct,

00:29:51.780 --> 00:29:58.180
<v Sam>You further predicted to go along with that, that Trump will not die. You got that right.

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:00.260
<v Ivan>I went, wow, I went.

00:30:00.300 --> 00:30:07.220
<v Sam>I will say you hedged your bets and later in the show, you predicted that he will die. So, you know.

00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:09.980
<v Ivan>Oh, so I played both sides. Okay.

00:30:10.060 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Sam>You played both sides. But for this segment, you predicted he would not.

00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:18.940
<v Ivan>Okay, great. Good job, Ivan.

00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:25.640
<v Sam>We both said that there would be at least one additional assassination attempt on Trump.

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.900
<v Sam>Not that has been publicized. Not in this year.

00:30:30.300 --> 00:30:35.060
<v Sam>I did look up, there were, I believe, three security incidents.

00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Sam>including one where they found like what looked like a hideout that had a view

00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:50.600
<v Sam>of somewhere that Trump was scheduled to be, but they didn't find a person. They didn't find a gun.

00:30:50.780 --> 00:30:53.180
<v Sam>They didn't actually like, you know, whatever.

00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:57.000
<v Sam>So, but there were, there were security incidents, but there were no flat out

00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.040
<v Sam>assassination attempts.

00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.980
<v Sam>Okay. So we were both wrong on that one.

00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:11.100
<v Sam>next up we both agreed that the sentencing in the new york case would be delayed

00:31:11.100 --> 00:31:18.560
<v Sam>past 2025 because they would delay it until after his term yeah we were wait no.

00:31:18.560 --> 00:31:21.140
<v Ivan>No we were wrong yeah sentencing was was passed.

00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:27.180
<v Sam>They sentencing was handed down on january 10th it was basically nothing but

00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:32.300
<v Sam>it was handed down i had said the new york case would not be dismissed because

00:31:32.300 --> 00:31:34.280
<v Sam>there was some talk of it just being dismissed.

00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:36.580
<v Sam>I was right. It was not dismissed.

00:31:37.820 --> 00:31:41.080
<v Sam>Next up, you know, I will stop here for a second.

00:31:41.560 --> 00:31:45.180
<v Sam>We have gone through a whole bunch of these so far, and basically there's been

00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:47.280
<v Sam>no discussion yet, which is unusual for us.

00:31:47.820 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Sam>Oftentimes when we go through these, at least some of these prompt some discussion

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.140
<v Sam>on who's right, who's wrong, what happened, what didn't, you know,

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Sam>but no, so far these have been pretty straightforward.

00:31:59.300 --> 00:32:04.180
<v Sam>Next up, we both agreed that the Trump administration would openly investigate

00:32:04.180 --> 00:32:05.520
<v Sam>their opponents or the press.

00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:08.040
<v Sam>We were both correct. They absolutely did.

00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Sam>Then we split on whether or not there would actually be indictments of those

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:17.360
<v Sam>folks that were investigated.

00:32:17.800 --> 00:32:24.620
<v Sam>You said yes. I said no. You were right. There were actual indictments resulting

00:32:24.620 --> 00:32:32.660
<v Sam>from these investigations this year. We had, you know, the Letitia James one, we had the Comey one.

00:32:32.820 --> 00:32:35.420
<v Sam>Now, those indictments haven't gone very far.

00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:37.040
<v Ivan>But they were indictments.

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.700
<v Sam>But they were, in fact, indicted.

00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:46.280
<v Sam>Okay, next up. We both predicted that there would be no direct U.S.

00:32:46.760 --> 00:32:50.980
<v Sam>military involvement in places the U.S. was not already involved in 2024.

00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:53.100
<v Sam>We were wrong.

00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Ivan>Where did we go that wasn't on the bingo?

00:32:56.900 --> 00:33:01.100
<v Sam>Well, if nothing else, Venezuela. Yeah, but wait, wait.

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:01.320
<v Ivan>Wait.

00:33:01.420 --> 00:33:06.800
<v Sam>No, no, the actual thing at the end that we said was in January,

00:33:06.800 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Sam>but we attacked some docks the last week of December.

00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Ivan>That's true. Okay. Yeah.

00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:20.060
<v Sam>And someone posted the other day a list of countries Trump has bombed.

00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:28.900
<v Sam>And it apparently, the 2025 number for the number of separate countries the U.S.

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Sam>has bombed was greater in 2025 than in any other year in the history of the country.

00:33:36.320 --> 00:33:38.120
<v Ivan>Wow. Damn.

00:33:38.120 --> 00:33:42.100
<v Sam>Because we had Nigeria. That was new, too, by the way. We bombed Nigeria.

00:33:42.220 --> 00:33:45.420
<v Ivan>Nigeria was, yeah, I know. I was like, we're trying to remember which place.

00:33:45.540 --> 00:33:50.600
<v Sam>But yeah, Nigeria. We bombed Nigeria, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Venezuela.

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.460
<v Sam>I'm missing a couple. There were like seven or eight total.

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:55.980
<v Ivan>Yeah, we're doing great.

00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Sam>Somalia. Did I say Somalia? I think we've done that as well.

00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.820
<v Ivan>No, no, we didn't say Somalia, but yeah, fuck it.

00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:07.940
<v Sam>So, like, if I had the list handy, I'd read it. But, like, those are just off the top of my head.

00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:14.010
<v Sam>Anyway, so we were both wrong on that one. We both agreed that there would be

00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:16.710
<v Sam>no invasion of Panama. We were correct.

00:34:17.630 --> 00:34:21.390
<v Sam>We both agreed there would be no invasion of Greenland. We were correct.

00:34:21.470 --> 00:34:22.290
<v Ivan>We were both correct.

00:34:23.270 --> 00:34:29.430
<v Sam>We both agreed that the Trump tax cuts would be extended. We were both correct.

00:34:30.490 --> 00:34:35.170
<v Sam>I, however, was stupid and became more specific and said that would happen in

00:34:35.170 --> 00:34:37.210
<v Sam>the first hundred days. It did not.

00:34:37.410 --> 00:34:38.050
<v Ivan>It did not.

00:34:38.050 --> 00:34:41.350
<v Sam>The extension of the tax cuts apparently was part of the big,

00:34:41.450 --> 00:34:43.350
<v Sam>beautiful bill, which I believe was July.

00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:48.390
<v Sam>Then that was it for presidency, and we started talking about,

00:34:48.590 --> 00:34:51.270
<v Sam>well, I guess the last couple might have been Congress.

00:34:51.810 --> 00:34:57.630
<v Sam>We're now on Congress. We split on how many speakers of the House there would be in 2025.

00:34:58.930 --> 00:35:03.190
<v Sam>You said two, and I said three. How many were there, Yvonne?

00:35:03.790 --> 00:35:04.130
<v Ivan>One.

00:35:04.630 --> 00:35:09.590
<v Sam>One. We were both wrong. we split on whether it's stunning.

00:35:09.590 --> 00:35:11.730
<v Ivan>How Mike Johnson is still holding on.

00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:16.950
<v Sam>Yeah we split on whether or not he would even win the January speaker vote you

00:35:16.950 --> 00:35:21.550
<v Sam>said he would I said he would not you were obviously right I was wrong,

00:35:22.590 --> 00:35:28.930
<v Sam>we split on how many ballots it would take to pick a speaker in January I said

00:35:28.930 --> 00:35:36.070
<v Sam>I said 5 to 10 you said 2 to 10 how many ballots was it Yvonne? one it was one,

00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:43.950
<v Sam>So, yeah, we were both wrong on that one. We both, however, agreed that Republicans

00:35:43.950 --> 00:35:46.890
<v Sam>would keep the House all year long. And in fact, they did.

00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:48.290
<v Ivan>They did? Okay.

00:35:49.050 --> 00:35:49.870
<v Sam>They did.

00:35:51.330 --> 00:35:54.090
<v Ivan>Yeah. They have been razor thin.

00:35:54.230 --> 00:35:59.450
<v Sam>But they have. Then we both agreed that there would be at least one issue where

00:35:59.450 --> 00:36:06.110
<v Sam>Republicans in Congress would break from Trump in significant numbers.

00:36:06.810 --> 00:36:08.170
<v Sam>Were we correct, Yvonne?

00:36:08.270 --> 00:36:08.810
<v Ivan>Oh, yes.

00:36:09.330 --> 00:36:11.110
<v Sam>And what issue would that be, Yvonne?

00:36:11.290 --> 00:36:13.010
<v Ivan>The Epstein file, Sam.

00:36:13.670 --> 00:36:19.730
<v Sam>Indeed, we were both right. And I furthermore predicted that once it was clear

00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:22.470
<v Sam>he was losing, Trump would back down.

00:36:22.850 --> 00:36:24.530
<v Sam>And he did, in fact, do that.

00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:25.170
<v Ivan>Yes, he did.

00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:29.050
<v Sam>At the very end, he was like, okay, fine, pass the damn thing.

00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:36.490
<v Sam>So I was right on that. We both, however, made the prediction that Trump will

00:36:36.490 --> 00:36:40.010
<v Sam>never admit defeat about anything. Were we right, Yvonne?

00:36:40.250 --> 00:36:41.730
<v Ivan>Oh, come on. Of course.

00:36:43.810 --> 00:36:44.750
<v Sam>Of course.

00:36:45.410 --> 00:36:49.550
<v Ivan>I mean, that's a feature. I mean, come on.

00:36:51.290 --> 00:36:58.450
<v Sam>Okay, next up. We both agreed with the statement, Dodge will be a complete failure.

00:36:58.870 --> 00:37:00.390
<v Sam>Were we correct, Yvonne?

00:37:00.390 --> 00:37:03.930
<v Ivan>Fuck fucking at 100, 200% correct.

00:37:04.910 --> 00:37:12.910
<v Sam>Okay. Now, you furthermore said that the mode that this would work in is they

00:37:12.910 --> 00:37:14.810
<v Sam>would come up with a bunch of things to cut,

00:37:14.850 --> 00:37:20.070
<v Sam>but those cuts would not actually happen because Congress wouldn't go along with them.

00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:22.690
<v Sam>Is that how it played out, Yvonne? Not exactly.

00:37:22.950 --> 00:37:23.750
<v Ivan>No, not exactly.

00:37:23.870 --> 00:37:28.410
<v Sam>No. I'm counting you as wrong in that because what Dodge did was they actually

00:37:28.410 --> 00:37:32.150
<v Sam>did go in and shut crap down, even though they had no legal authority.

00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:34.350
<v Ivan>Even though they have no legal authority, yes, that's correct.

00:37:34.910 --> 00:37:39.790
<v Sam>Right, which goes along with me saying Dodge will find ways to claim victory

00:37:39.790 --> 00:37:42.730
<v Sam>without actually having done much. What would you say out of that one?

00:37:42.910 --> 00:37:45.670
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck. Yes. Yeah.

00:37:45.970 --> 00:37:51.850
<v Sam>I further said at best things would be held to current levels not actually decrease.

00:37:52.410 --> 00:37:56.850
<v Sam>I was right on that as well. We've seen charts multiple times throughout the

00:37:56.850 --> 00:37:58.630
<v Sam>year of total federal spending.

00:37:59.890 --> 00:38:01.710
<v Ivan>Is a deficit down?

00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:05.130
<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait. That's a separate question. We'll get to that in a second.

00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:07.610
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I'm like, well, I know it's a separate question,

00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:10.270
<v Ivan>but in this case, did they cut spending, Sam?

00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:15.260
<v Sam>That's an entirely different question than the deficit question.

00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Sam>So let me answer the spending question.

00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.820
<v Ivan>Did the total spend of the U.S. federal government with Dodge go down?

00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:26.120
<v Sam>No, it did not go down. In fact, it was the highest ever again.

00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:30.820
<v Sam>And if you look at the chart throughout the year, it was higher every single

00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:32.900
<v Sam>day of the year than previous years.

00:38:33.660 --> 00:38:41.580
<v Ivan>What a shocking development, Sam. Sam, what a shocking, stunning, Sam, I'm stunned.

00:38:42.240 --> 00:38:48.020
<v Sam>Yes. Okay, next up, though, you specifically predicted that they would not cut

00:38:48.020 --> 00:38:52.600
<v Sam>VA health, because that's one of the things that had been mentioned. I think they did.

00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:55.620
<v Sam>They fired a whole bunch of people from VA.

00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:56.600
<v Ivan>Yes, they did. They did a bunch of stuff.

00:38:56.860 --> 00:39:04.380
<v Sam>So we'll count you as wrong on that one. I said they will find over a billion dollars to cut.

00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:10.980
<v Sam>like because we went back like there was a we said billion not trillion we were

00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Sam>saying that there was a small amount they would never reach the the trillions

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.820
<v Sam>or whatever that they targeted but we said they would find over a billion but

00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:22.600
<v Sam>it would be compensated by increases elsewhere i was right on that right yeah.

00:39:22.600 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Ivan>That's 100 correct yes.

00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Sam>Yes i also said they will find scapegoat programs republicans don't like and

00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.700
<v Sam>get rid of them totally correct i was right i said but Simultaneously,

00:39:34.700 --> 00:39:37.640
<v Sam>they'll increase funding for things like defense and SpaceX.

00:39:38.260 --> 00:39:39.580
<v Ivan>That's totally correct.

00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Sam>Yes. Okay. We both agreed that there would be more tax cuts.

00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:49.380
<v Ivan>So 100% true on that one.

00:39:49.740 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Sam>We both agreed that there would be no net spending cuts.

00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Ivan>It's 100% true on that one, too.

00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Sam>Okay, we split on SCOTUS openings. You said there would be no SCOTUS openings. I said there would be.

00:40:04.600 --> 00:40:07.500
<v Sam>There were none this year. So you were right. I was wrong.

00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:08.580
<v Ivan>Once again.

00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:15.820
<v Sam>Okay, now the budget deficit. We both predicted the budget deficit would be up.

00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.720
<v Ivan>Let me ask a question. What did Trump say he was going to do with the deficit

00:40:19.720 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Ivan>when he came into office?

00:40:21.520 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Sam>Well, he was going to kill it completely and we'd have surpluses, right?

00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.240
<v Ivan>Isn't that what he always says? I mean, is that what he said? Hang on.

00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:29.240
<v Sam>I don't remember.

00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Ivan>I'm going to check to see.

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:34.700
<v Sam>He promised that the first term, I think.

00:40:36.040 --> 00:40:37.620
<v Ivan>I'm going to check what he promised for this time.

00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Ivan>All right. Let's see. Checking, checking, checking. Let's see.

00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:49.300
<v Ivan>Let me see what answer I come on.

00:40:51.040 --> 00:40:55.020
<v Ivan>All he said was that he would slash the federal budget deficit,

00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Ivan>that he would reduce spending and boost revenue.

00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:03.080
<v Ivan>So, yeah. So, he was vague. He didn't do that. But that was,

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:09.460
<v Ivan>like you mentioned, that, like, the deficit to zero thing was a first campaign promise.

00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:09.680
<v Sam>First term.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:10.860
<v Ivan>Yeah, first term.

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:17.260
<v Sam>Okay, so here's what actually happened. Fiscal year 2024, deficit was $1.82 trillion.

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Sam>Fiscal year 2025, deficit was $1.78.

00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.040
<v Sam>The deficit was actually down. We were both wrong.

00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.420
<v Ivan>The deficit was actually down. Huh.

00:41:28.700 --> 00:41:30.900
<v Sam>Slightly. Just slightly. But it was down.

00:41:31.240 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Ivan>Okay. Actually, you could, you know what? That was actually the tariffs.

00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Sam>Yeah, it probably was.

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.680
<v Ivan>Yeah, because it was $200 billion in tariff revenue.

00:41:45.140 --> 00:41:49.780
<v Ivan>So if you add that in there, yeah, the deficit would have been higher.

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.060
<v Ivan>But that was straight up the tariff revenue.

00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:57.770
<v Sam>We both agreed that the debt limit would be increased. Was it increased, Yvonne? Yes.

00:41:58.830 --> 00:42:03.470
<v Sam>Not only increased, but increased by the biggest amount ever in the history

00:42:03.470 --> 00:42:06.530
<v Sam>of the debt limit. Just saying.

00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:13.110
<v Sam>Okay. I, however, said this will happen with Democrats plus a few Republicans,

00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:15.610
<v Sam>because that's how it had usually played out in the past.

00:42:15.810 --> 00:42:18.090
<v Sam>I believe that was not how it happened.

00:42:18.370 --> 00:42:20.110
<v Sam>This was increased as part of the

00:42:20.110 --> 00:42:22.970
<v Sam>big, beautiful bill, which was all the Republicans and a few Democrats.

00:42:23.250 --> 00:42:23.830
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:24.290 --> 00:42:26.730
<v Sam>Or most Republicans and a few Democrats.

00:42:27.270 --> 00:42:27.410
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:28.370 --> 00:42:33.830
<v Sam>Okay. We split on government shutdown. You said there would be one.

00:42:33.950 --> 00:42:35.610
<v Sam>I said there would not be one.

00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:37.390
<v Ivan>Sam, were you right?

00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:40.010
<v Sam>I was not right.

00:42:40.690 --> 00:42:41.230
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:42.390 --> 00:42:46.230
<v Sam>However, you decided to be more specific in two ways.

00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:47.350
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

00:42:48.490 --> 00:42:53.550
<v Sam>One, you said the government shutdown would happen the first time they got to

00:42:53.550 --> 00:42:55.130
<v Sam>a limit that they had to deal with.

00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:57.950
<v Ivan>No, it was not the first time.

00:42:57.970 --> 00:43:01.230
<v Sam>They kicked the can down the road several times. It was later in the year.

00:43:01.470 --> 00:43:06.710
<v Sam>Yeah. You also predicted the shutdown would be brief. It was the longest ever.

00:43:06.710 --> 00:43:07.550
<v Ivan>It was the longest ever.

00:43:08.810 --> 00:43:10.990
<v Sam>So you were wrong on both of those two.

00:43:10.990 --> 00:43:17.530
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ, those extra two predictions. I completely self-sabotaged myself on that one.

00:43:19.030 --> 00:43:22.950
<v Sam>Okay, next up is one we might want to discuss a little bit to determine.

00:43:22.950 --> 00:43:33.150
<v Sam>The question was whether there would be state versus federal conflict on the

00:43:33.150 --> 00:43:38.690
<v Sam>ground in a way similar to the civil rights movement in the 1960s,

00:43:38.810 --> 00:43:45.510
<v Sam>where the feds sent out National Guard, federal troops, whatever,

00:43:45.830 --> 00:43:51.890
<v Sam>to enforce federal decisions over states, except obviously sort of in reverse.

00:43:52.950 --> 00:43:57.050
<v Sam>You had said, no, that will remain entirely in the courts.

00:43:57.430 --> 00:44:01.750
<v Sam>And I said there would be such conflict on the ground.

00:44:01.990 --> 00:44:06.210
<v Sam>The question is, does what happened count?

00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:15.710
<v Sam>Because we did have Trump send federalized National Guard and other troops into various cities.

00:44:16.350 --> 00:44:19.570
<v Sam>But is it sufficient to count as this?

00:44:19.710 --> 00:44:23.930
<v Sam>Because we also didn't have the states really. It's not like we had state forces

00:44:23.930 --> 00:44:28.430
<v Sam>battling federal forces, you know. Does this count?

00:44:28.450 --> 00:44:34.690
<v Ivan>I think it counts because the reality is that there was conflict with local

00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:37.810
<v Ivan>officials, even though they didn't go and, like, send out, like,

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.220
<v Ivan>In most cases, like, you know, police to go and, like, battle,

00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.520
<v Ivan>like, federal troops. So, I'd say the answer is yes.

00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Sam>Okay. So, I was right. You were wrong.

00:44:48.180 --> 00:44:48.540
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:44:49.180 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Sam>You furthermore specifically said no federal troops on the ground.

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:53.900
<v Sam>There were federal troops on the ground.

00:44:53.900 --> 00:44:56.260
<v Ivan>Oh, God. There were a lot of federal troops on the ground.

00:44:56.300 --> 00:45:00.080
<v Sam>Yes. And I said he would nationalize the Guard. So, I was right.

00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.340
<v Sam>At least part of the Guard. Yeah. Not all of it, obviously.

00:45:04.120 --> 00:45:13.600
<v Sam>Okay, next up is we split on whether the gross number of illegal border crossings

00:45:13.600 --> 00:45:17.580
<v Sam>would go up or down this year. Did it go up or down?

00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Ivan>Down, I think.

00:45:19.740 --> 00:45:23.700
<v Sam>It went down, which means I was right and you were wrong. You predicted it would go up.

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.460
<v Sam>Now, this is one, I think I know the answer to this, but I will fully admit

00:45:30.460 --> 00:45:35.440
<v Sam>to not having a verified source of it. So total immigration,

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.420
<v Sam>so legal and illegal, to the U.S.

00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:43.700
<v Sam>would go down. We both predicted it would go down. Did it go down this year?

00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:49.300
<v Sam>Yes. That's what I thought. I didn't bother verifying it, but basically because

00:45:49.300 --> 00:45:54.180
<v Sam>no one wants to come here anymore because we're being damn hostile to anybody who comes.

00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:55.420
<v Ivan>Let me eat.

00:45:56.570 --> 00:46:03.310
<v Ivan>Let me fact check that a little bit. It's not, I, this, this last weekend that I was in Disney.

00:46:03.470 --> 00:46:05.650
<v Sam>I was surprised at the number of international. Whenever you say nobody,

00:46:05.970 --> 00:46:07.350
<v Sam>it obviously, it's never nobody.

00:46:07.450 --> 00:46:11.510
<v Ivan>I was surprised by the number of international visitors that were at Disney.

00:46:11.870 --> 00:46:18.330
<v Ivan>Okay. From, from many countries. I mean, a lot of Asian visitors specifically

00:46:18.330 --> 00:46:26.470
<v Ivan>that I saw, Latin American as well. Well, I was surprised by the number of international visitors.

00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:28.130
<v Sam>Yeah, obviously I was being hyperbolic saying nobody wants to come here.

00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:28.210
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

00:46:28.610 --> 00:46:32.470
<v Sam>It's down, but it's like down 10% or something. It's not down like 50.

00:46:32.810 --> 00:46:37.050
<v Ivan>It is down substantially. It's more specific for certain countries,

00:46:37.490 --> 00:46:43.590
<v Ivan>which, you know, like Canadian visits are significantly down.

00:46:44.270 --> 00:46:48.370
<v Sam>I wonder why. Did we piss off Canada in some way? Yeah, just a tad.

00:46:49.330 --> 00:46:54.250
<v Ivan>Just a little bit. But one thing is that international students at U.S.

00:46:54.970 --> 00:46:59.950
<v Ivan>universities, the total number didn't really go down that much either,

00:47:00.350 --> 00:47:05.750
<v Ivan>even with all the different actions and things that happened in the first few

00:47:05.750 --> 00:47:07.830
<v Ivan>months of the administration.

00:47:09.610 --> 00:47:15.110
<v Sam>Okay. Next up, we split on deportations. I said they'd be up.

00:47:15.190 --> 00:47:16.430
<v Sam>You said they would not be up.

00:47:17.410 --> 00:47:20.670
<v Sam>They are up. They are up. They are up. Yes.

00:47:20.830 --> 00:47:26.950
<v Sam>I didn't get end-of-year numbers, but as of June, we were already almost at the 2024 numbers.

00:47:27.210 --> 00:47:30.190
<v Ivan>They were at double the pace that they had been before.

00:47:31.090 --> 00:47:36.030
<v Sam>So I was right. You were wrong on that one. We both agreed, however,

00:47:36.330 --> 00:47:40.050
<v Sam>that there would be plenty of what we called show deportations,

00:47:40.050 --> 00:47:44.890
<v Sam>where they were just making examples of certain people and making sure it was

00:47:44.890 --> 00:47:48.210
<v Sam>on video and talking about them a lot. There were quite a few of those.

00:47:48.450 --> 00:47:53.910
<v Ivan>There were quite a few of those. I mean, specifically the one that got all this,

00:47:54.510 --> 00:47:58.730
<v Ivan>press coverage recently for the 60 Minutes thing, the ones that we sent to that

00:47:58.730 --> 00:48:04.770
<v Ivan>terrorist prison And El Salvador was, yeah, El Salvador.

00:48:05.190 --> 00:48:07.790
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, it's Seacott. I mean, that was like.

00:48:08.230 --> 00:48:12.650
<v Sam>Well, and we have had all that attention on that guy in Maryland.

00:48:12.650 --> 00:48:14.150
<v Sam>I mean, he's still in the country.

00:48:14.430 --> 00:48:18.270
<v Sam>Well, he was out and then back, and then they're still trying to get rid of him.

00:48:18.830 --> 00:48:22.510
<v Sam>Abrego Garcia, was it? Yeah. Anyway, yes.

00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:27.630
<v Ivan>But the courts firmly ruled in his favor that the whole thing was illegal.

00:48:28.330 --> 00:48:30.610
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, but they're trying under other grounds.

00:48:30.610 --> 00:48:33.190
<v Ivan>I know. It's still in court right now. I know, but.

00:48:33.190 --> 00:48:36.650
<v Sam>The courts— They're fighting over which country to send him to now,

00:48:37.070 --> 00:48:42.470
<v Sam>as opposed to— And one of the latest things is he's actually agreed to go to

00:48:42.470 --> 00:48:46.350
<v Sam>one country that has said there and would be happy to take him.

00:48:47.590 --> 00:48:48.750
<v Ivan>They don't want to send him there.

00:48:48.870 --> 00:48:53.030
<v Sam>They want to send him there. They want to send him somewhere else.

00:48:53.290 --> 00:48:57.850
<v Ivan>Which is one of the reasons why the court went and was ruled against the federal

00:48:57.850 --> 00:49:04.430
<v Ivan>government, because there is no legal basis for that. It's just to be...

00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:07.520
<v Ivan>assholes. That's it.

00:49:07.740 --> 00:49:12.120
<v Sam>Pretty much. Anyway, that was the last question of the politics section.

00:49:13.100 --> 00:49:17.120
<v Ivan>By the way, the deportation numbers that I was able to pull out,

00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:24.220
<v Ivan>what the numbers are, full fiscal year 2024 was $271,000, okay, under Biden.

00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Ivan>Estimate for full fiscal year 2025 is $605,000.

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Sam>Right. Most definitely up. Yeah. Okay, so here's how we did.

00:49:35.900 --> 00:49:41.820
<v Sam>I made 49 predictions, of which 34 were correct.

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Sam>That's 69.4%.

00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.120
<v Ivan>Nice.

00:49:45.720 --> 00:49:53.300
<v Sam>You made 41 predictions, of which 25 were correct. That's 61.0%.

00:49:53.300 --> 00:49:55.580
<v Ivan>So, Sam, you're in the lead.

00:49:55.820 --> 00:50:01.320
<v Sam>I'm in the lead. Our combined number was 90 predictions, of which 59 were correct.

00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:08.220
<v Sam>That's 65.6%. I will also compare us to 2024. Our combined number again this

00:50:08.220 --> 00:50:10.080
<v Sam>year was 65.6%. I think we're better.

00:50:10.120 --> 00:50:13.500
<v Sam>Last year, our combined number was 41.3.

00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:15.700
<v Ivan>Yeah, we're way better.

00:50:16.180 --> 00:50:19.200
<v Sam>We absolutely bombed last year.

00:50:19.340 --> 00:50:20.680
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. It was so bad.

00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:26.220
<v Sam>It was so bad. Yeah, so we got 2024, like, completely wrong.

00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.620
<v Ivan>We so fucked up 2024.

00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:35.580
<v Sam>Okay. With that, it is time to take a break. When we come back,

00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:38.380
<v Sam>it will be time for International.

00:50:39.240 --> 00:50:45.100
<v Sam>And so here is another breaky break break break break break thing. Here we go.

00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:08.180
<v Sam>Okay, moving on to international.

00:51:09.020 --> 00:51:13.980
<v Sam>We started out about whether or not there'd be a ceasefire in Ukraine.

00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:18.500
<v Sam>You said no, I said yes. There was no ceasefire in Ukraine.

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.740
<v Ivan>There was no ceasefire in Ukraine, yeah.

00:51:21.140 --> 00:51:25.820
<v Sam>So you were correct, I was wrong. You furthermore said there would,

00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:28.460
<v Sam>however, be lots of posturing and negotiation.

00:51:29.160 --> 00:51:31.380
<v Ivan>Gee, Sam, was that right?

00:51:32.460 --> 00:51:38.800
<v Sam>Yes, you were right. We both further said there'd be no signed peace deal,

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.060
<v Sam>which is separate from, of course, a ceasefire. We were both correct on that.

00:51:44.740 --> 00:51:50.820
<v Sam>I further said Ukraine would be struggling with the fact that they got less

00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Sam>support from Trump than from Biden.

00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:55.760
<v Sam>That's kind of subjective. What would you say?

00:51:56.460 --> 00:52:00.060
<v Ivan>I'd say they're about the same shape as they were before. I don't think anything

00:52:00.060 --> 00:52:01.260
<v Ivan>really materially changed.

00:52:01.700 --> 00:52:02.580
<v Sam>So, no?

00:52:03.020 --> 00:52:03.900
<v Ivan>Yeah, no.

00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:12.740
<v Sam>I almost want to fight you on that, but not quite, because Trump has provided less aid.

00:52:13.680 --> 00:52:16.680
<v Sam>The situation on the ground has been a stalemate for two years.

00:52:17.060 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Ivan>Exactly. Did the situation materially change? Because the thing,

00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:21.940
<v Ivan>they would be struggling because of that.

00:52:22.140 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Ivan>Did the situation on the ground materially change because of that? The answer is no.

00:52:26.520 --> 00:52:26.740
<v Sam>Okay.

00:52:28.740 --> 00:52:32.160
<v Sam>I also said Ukraine would not be completely defeated. I was right.

00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:38.020
<v Sam>Then there was a question of whether or not there would still be a Ukrainian

00:52:38.020 --> 00:52:41.120
<v Sam>presence in Kursk at the end of the year.

00:52:41.540 --> 00:52:43.500
<v Sam>So I looked this up.

00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:45.320
<v Ivan>I think the answer is no.

00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Sam>The answer is yes, but just barely. Okay.

00:52:49.540 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Sam>They retreated from almost all of the territory they had occupied in Kursk like in April or May.

00:52:57.380 --> 00:53:04.720
<v Sam>Okay. But there are apparently a handful of small, little, tiny pockets where

00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:10.040
<v Sam>they are still across the border as of at least November. That was the latest data I can find.

00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:11.240
<v Ivan>All right. Well.

00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:15.560
<v Sam>So we split on that. You were actually right. I was wrong. You said there would

00:53:15.560 --> 00:53:16.940
<v Sam>still be a presence in Kursk.

00:53:17.180 --> 00:53:18.240
<v Ivan>There you go. Okay.

00:53:19.160 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Sam>The next question was, would Russia increase its percentage of control in Ukraine year over year?

00:53:28.220 --> 00:53:35.920
<v Sam>We both agreed that they would. We are both correct. They gained 0.8% of Ukrainian

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.320
<v Sam>territory over the course of 2025.

00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:40.420
<v Ivan>What was the number again?

00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:42.660
<v Sam>0.8%.

00:53:42.660 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Ivan>Wow. I guess it's a gain.

00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:50.340
<v Sam>I think that's more of a gain than they had in 2024, actually.

00:53:50.600 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Sam>So they did accelerate a little bit.

00:53:53.020 --> 00:53:56.640
<v Ivan>But it's just, you know, we're calling it, I mean, it's like,

00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.880
<v Ivan>hey, I made a massive return on my investments this year of 0.8%.

00:54:03.700 --> 00:54:04.220
<v Sam>Yes.

00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:13.790
<v Sam>And by the way, the cost of that 0.8% in lives lost, people injured,

00:54:14.090 --> 00:54:17.850
<v Sam>equipment, and of course, cash is huge.

00:54:18.210 --> 00:54:19.070
<v Ivan>It's ridiculous.

00:54:19.830 --> 00:54:25.890
<v Sam>Yes. Okay, we both agreed there would be no coup in Europe. Was there any coups in Europe?

00:54:26.230 --> 00:54:28.510
<v Ivan>I don't recall any coups in Europe.

00:54:28.510 --> 00:54:36.650
<v Sam>Okay. We also both agreed that there would be no additional right-wing takeovers

00:54:36.650 --> 00:54:39.750
<v Sam>of governments in Europe in 2025.

00:54:40.550 --> 00:54:43.090
<v Sam>Were they right? I think we were right.

00:54:43.330 --> 00:54:45.770
<v Ivan>I think we were right. Yeah. As a matter of fact, as anything,

00:54:45.970 --> 00:54:50.550
<v Ivan>they actually shifted, you know, some, they made some gains.

00:54:51.010 --> 00:54:56.070
<v Sam>The next couple questions are about gains without changes in government.

00:54:56.070 --> 00:54:56.310
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:54:56.590 --> 00:55:02.490
<v Sam>This was just me. I said in France, we'd end up with a more conservative coalition

00:55:02.490 --> 00:55:04.170
<v Sam>at the end of the year than at the beginning.

00:55:04.770 --> 00:55:08.710
<v Sam>I don't think we did. There was a lot of chaos in France.

00:55:09.070 --> 00:55:13.190
<v Sam>They changed prime ministers that one resigned and then was immediately reappointed.

00:55:13.410 --> 00:55:18.330
<v Sam>There was craziness in France. But I think in the end, we sort of ended up at

00:55:18.330 --> 00:55:19.770
<v Sam>the same place as where we started.

00:55:20.370 --> 00:55:24.410
<v Sam>Does that sound right to you? I spent a little bit of time on Wikipedia trying

00:55:24.410 --> 00:55:29.110
<v Sam>to figure this out, but I clearly did not know enough about French politics

00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:30.350
<v Sam>to have a lot of certainty here.

00:55:30.610 --> 00:55:31.950
<v Ivan>Well, I mean either.

00:55:32.210 --> 00:55:34.550
<v Sam>So I'm going to say no.

00:55:35.050 --> 00:55:35.370
<v Ivan>OK.

00:55:37.790 --> 00:55:42.130
<v Sam>However, I did predict there'd be a more conservative coalition in Germany,

00:55:42.330 --> 00:55:47.010
<v Sam>not like the far right people take over, but it was more conservative than the beginning of the year.

00:55:47.010 --> 00:55:51.730
<v Sam>The conservatives did have some election success earlier in the year,

00:55:51.730 --> 00:55:54.850
<v Sam>and I believe they're actually the ones that formed a government.

00:55:55.170 --> 00:55:57.050
<v Sam>So I was right on that one.

00:55:58.040 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Sam>We both agreed that Russia would not invade any more countries in 2025.

00:56:05.080 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Ivan>Yeah, Russia did not invade any more countries that I'm aware of, right?

00:56:08.700 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Sam>We are both correct. Then we split on whether Russia would still have a presence in Syria.

00:56:17.200 --> 00:56:21.180
<v Sam>You said no, I said yes. Do you know the answer to this one, Yvonne?

00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Ivan>I think the answer is no, right?

00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Sam>No, Russia is still in Syria. They are. have bases in Syria.

00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:32.820
<v Sam>They've been in negotiation with the new government in Syria,

00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:38.500
<v Sam>who would probably prefer they leave, but so far they are still in their bases

00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:40.380
<v Sam>in Syria and they have not been kicked out.

00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:46.160
<v Sam>And we both predicted there would still be U.S. troops in Syria.

00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Sam>There are, in fact, still U.S.

00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:53.860
<v Sam>troops in Syria. In fact, there were news reports as recently as mid-December

00:56:53.860 --> 00:56:56.580
<v Sam>of U.S. troops killed in Syria.

00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:02.700
<v Sam>So, yeah, we were both right on that one. Now, this next one,

00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:07.700
<v Sam>you had said there would be a new dictatorship in Syria.

00:57:08.520 --> 00:57:13.680
<v Sam>I'm going to count you as wrong on that one. because the government in Syria

00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:15.780
<v Sam>has not changed over the course of 2025.

00:57:16.340 --> 00:57:23.280
<v Sam>They did go from a transitional government to another transitional government, but it's the same guy.

00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:29.640
<v Sam>It's that same, you know, and so I'll say no new dictatorship.

00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:35.280
<v Sam>I said that the government in Syria would not be a tolerant,

00:57:35.560 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Sam>multicultural, friendly government.

00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:45.420
<v Sam>I'm going back and forth on that one because they've sort of tried to be.

00:57:45.540 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Ivan>But haven't— Relative to the other stuff?

00:57:51.060 --> 00:58:00.560
<v Ivan>I mean, shit, the answer's kind of like— Well, they are more tolerant than many others in the area.

00:58:00.980 --> 00:58:09.380
<v Sam>They are. Now, there have been some issues with their treatment of certain minorities— Yeah.

00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.560
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah. But every country has issues with treatments of certain minorities.

00:58:12.940 --> 00:58:15.240
<v Sam>Yes, obviously, including us.

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:16.060
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:58:17.980 --> 00:58:25.900
<v Sam>But, yeah, just in general, they have been, I don't know, I'm going to count myself wrong.

00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:58:27.260 --> 00:58:32.720
<v Sam>Yeah, they're not perfect. But as governments in that region go,

00:58:33.080 --> 00:58:35.580
<v Sam>they're not anywhere near the worst.

00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Ivan>That's right. That is absolutely right.

00:58:40.420 --> 00:58:42.660
<v Sam>I also predicted that the Syrian

00:58:42.660 --> 00:58:45.900
<v Sam>government would not be in control of the whole country. I was correct.

00:58:46.180 --> 00:58:51.260
<v Sam>The Syrian civil war continues just with a different set of players.

00:58:51.680 --> 00:58:51.980
<v Ivan>Essentially.

00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:58.460
<v Sam>We both agreed that there would be no democratically elected government in Syria yet.

00:58:58.860 --> 00:59:04.200
<v Sam>We're both correct. It's still some sort of transitional temporary government, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:05.540 --> 00:59:10.620
<v Sam>Theoretically, they are saying all the right things about they want to move

00:59:10.620 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Sam>beyond that, but they haven't yet.

00:59:13.020 --> 00:59:13.160
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:59:13.720 --> 00:59:21.080
<v Sam>Okay. We both were fairly sure that Benjamin Netanyahu would no longer be Prime

00:59:21.080 --> 00:59:22.680
<v Sam>Minister of Israel by the end of the year.

00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:24.980
<v Ivan>We're pretty fucking wrong.

00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:27.560
<v Sam>We were indeed wrong.

00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:29.420
<v Ivan>I mean, a guy's a cockroach.

00:59:31.240 --> 00:59:36.340
<v Sam>We both agreed there would be a ceasefire in gaza by the end of the year there was yeah.

00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:37.660
<v Ivan>There was yeah.

00:59:37.660 --> 00:59:44.640
<v Sam>I furthermore said that the ceasefire would basically be on israel's terms that's.

00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:46.860
<v Ivan>Pretty much correct yes.

00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:49.700
<v Sam>So i was right i will take this moment to note that

00:59:49.700 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Sam>as i was putting together these notes i was being

00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:56.660
<v Sam>very sloppy and typing quickly and not paying attention to typos so for instance

00:59:56.660 --> 01:00:04.820
<v Sam>what it actually says on my little spreadsheet is si rassi fire not ceasefire

01:00:04.820 --> 01:00:10.900
<v Sam>a si rassi fire well okay yeah it's a si rassi fire,

01:00:11.640 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Sam>we both agree we both agreed no full withdrawal from gaza we were both correct.

01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:18.260
<v Ivan>We're both correct.

01:00:18.260 --> 01:00:23.320
<v Sam>We both agreed no saudi recognition of israel we were both correct Correct.

01:00:24.970 --> 01:00:29.130
<v Sam>We both agreed that the war in Yemen would continue. We were both correct.

01:00:30.710 --> 01:00:36.130
<v Sam>We both agreed there would be no Western country that fully normalized relationships

01:00:36.130 --> 01:00:38.690
<v Sam>with Iran. We were correct.

01:00:39.250 --> 01:00:45.390
<v Sam>No Western normalization. We both agreed there would be no widespread Mideast war.

01:00:45.770 --> 01:00:49.190
<v Sam>Like the conflict wouldn't spread and become like, you know,

01:00:49.270 --> 01:00:56.350
<v Sam>a massive war involving many countries. I mean, I guess you can count, like, this is a no.

01:00:56.870 --> 01:01:01.110
<v Sam>Like, there were, you know, at various points, Lebanon was involved,

01:01:01.290 --> 01:01:06.290
<v Sam>Israel was involved, Iran, Jordan was involved in some ways.

01:01:06.430 --> 01:01:10.410
<v Sam>We got, you know, but there was no, we were talking about like a massive multi-country

01:01:10.410 --> 01:01:12.550
<v Sam>war going on, and that never happened.

01:01:13.170 --> 01:01:15.030
<v Sam>So we were both correct on that.

01:01:16.330 --> 01:01:21.530
<v Sam>We split on whether Trump would reopen talks with North Korea.

01:01:22.230 --> 01:01:25.850
<v Sam>You thought he would. I thought he would not. What happened, Yvonne?

01:01:26.590 --> 01:01:28.510
<v Ivan>We haven't talked to North Korea, right?

01:01:28.950 --> 01:01:31.990
<v Sam>No. Which means I was right and you were wrong.

01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:36.890
<v Ivan>Oh, well. I figured he would. I mean, he liked the guy so much.

01:01:36.890 --> 01:01:40.170
<v Ivan>I figured that he was, you know, going to go over there and,

01:01:40.190 --> 01:01:42.630
<v Ivan>you know, would be chummy again.

01:01:43.490 --> 01:01:46.910
<v Sam>Next up, you specifically predicted that North Korea, however,

01:01:47.190 --> 01:01:49.870
<v Sam>would make trouble again over the course of the year.

01:01:50.550 --> 01:01:54.750
<v Sam>Now, just last week we were talking about this. Apparently they did a few things,

01:01:54.870 --> 01:01:56.030
<v Sam>but nobody's paying any attention.

01:01:56.450 --> 01:02:01.610
<v Ivan>So, yeah. So the answer is no, I guess. Because nobody—I mean,

01:02:01.690 --> 01:02:04.190
<v Ivan>it's not enough that anybody even noticed.

01:02:04.890 --> 01:02:09.570
<v Sam>Right. Like, they apparently have been trying to make trouble, but failing.

01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:10.550
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:02:11.070 --> 01:02:13.790
<v Sam>Because nobody's paid any attention or cared.

01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:14.310
<v Ivan>Right.

01:02:14.670 --> 01:02:20.090
<v Sam>At least publicly. It hasn't been a big thing in the news. Okay, now,

01:02:21.540 --> 01:02:27.340
<v Sam>The next one, Ed had asked us a very specific question, and then we ended up

01:02:27.340 --> 01:02:28.880
<v Sam>sort of answering something else, I think.

01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:33.760
<v Sam>So I will point out that Ed had asked specifically about whether ASML,

01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:38.940
<v Sam>which is a semiconductor company based out of Europe, I think,

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Sam>would break ground in the U.S.

01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:46.700
<v Sam>That apparently did happen, but we did not actually answer his question.

01:02:46.700 --> 01:02:54.900
<v Sam>We answered a slightly related question about whether or not there'd be a big new U.S.

01:02:55.100 --> 01:02:57.740
<v Sam>push into domestic semiconductor production.

01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:02.140
<v Sam>I don't think there was, Yvonne. What would be your answer to that?

01:03:02.520 --> 01:03:06.700
<v Ivan>There wasn't. I mean, there wasn't.

01:03:06.720 --> 01:03:09.640
<v Sam>There might be like little things opening here and there like what.

01:03:09.640 --> 01:03:15.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, but if anything, we wound up with a situation where stuff that Biden had,

01:03:15.040 --> 01:03:22.240
<v Ivan>you know, had pushed was actually, you know, kind of short-circuited by this administration.

01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.980
<v Sam>Okay. So we were both right. Next up, and this is a judge, you know,

01:03:28.040 --> 01:03:30.560
<v Sam>I'm going to ask you to judge yourself on this one.

01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:33.800
<v Sam>You said relations with China will improve.

01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:35.480
<v Ivan>No.

01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:42.420
<v Sam>Okay. I will count you as wrong in that. I said the relationship with China

01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Sam>will be a mixed bag and specifically Trump will be less willing to confront

01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.680
<v Sam>them on defense, but more willing to confront them on trade.

01:03:51.640 --> 01:03:52.160
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:03:52.580 --> 01:03:54.420
<v Sam>Yes on all three? Okay.

01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, he was willing. Yeah, he was definitely willing to challenge them

01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.080
<v Ivan>more on trade, but not on other stuff.

01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:08.940
<v Sam>Yep. Okay. Excellent. Next up, we both agreed that China would not invade Taiwan. we were china.

01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Ivan>Has not invaded taiwan as far as i'm.

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:17.300
<v Sam>Next up would gdp in argentina be up.

01:04:18.770 --> 01:04:20.370
<v Ivan>I think the answer is yes.

01:04:20.990 --> 01:04:26.330
<v Sam>Yes, it was. So you predicted that it would be, and it was indeed.

01:04:26.790 --> 01:04:27.270
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:04:28.050 --> 01:04:34.770
<v Sam>Next up, you'd said, however, that even though it would be up 2024 to 2025,

01:04:35.330 --> 01:04:40.550
<v Sam>it would not be back up to the levels before— What's the president's name?

01:04:40.710 --> 01:04:43.170
<v Sam>M-something. How do you pronounce his name? What does he—,

01:04:45.630 --> 01:04:50.310
<v Sam>I mean, the current president— He's the libertarian president of Argentina.

01:04:50.310 --> 01:04:54.410
<v Ivan>Oh, what's his name now? Yeah. Milet.

01:04:54.470 --> 01:04:54.790
<v Sam>Did I say it?

01:04:54.830 --> 01:04:56.590
<v Ivan>Milet. Milet. Milet. Milet.

01:04:56.970 --> 01:05:01.930
<v Sam>Anyway, you said GDP would not be back up to levels from before Milet.

01:05:03.010 --> 01:05:07.590
<v Sam>I looked this up. It appears that GDP is at new highs. So you were wrong.

01:05:08.210 --> 01:05:08.390
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:05:09.310 --> 01:05:14.970
<v Sam>And to be clear, this was GDP absolute, not GDP growth.

01:05:15.410 --> 01:05:17.630
<v Sam>GDP growth is not at new highs.

01:05:18.470 --> 01:05:24.610
<v Sam>but absolute level of GDP is at new highs for 2025 from what I found.

01:05:25.130 --> 01:05:27.730
<v Sam>You can check me if you want. I was looking at worldometers.

01:05:29.350 --> 01:05:36.050
<v Ivan>The estimate, yes. By the IMF, yes. It is higher.

01:05:36.350 --> 01:05:39.190
<v Ivan>By a little bit, but yes.

01:05:39.350 --> 01:05:39.810
<v Sam>A little bit.

01:05:39.890 --> 01:05:46.270
<v Ivan>It is higher. But it is higher. Well, one of the things, you know,

01:05:46.330 --> 01:05:48.610
<v Ivan>the thing is that this is, we're measuring it in dollars.

01:05:48.910 --> 01:05:52.870
<v Ivan>And the currency has been incredibly overvalued, making the purchasing power

01:05:52.870 --> 01:05:57.730
<v Ivan>of the peso right now, like, really crazy overvalued. And so,

01:05:57.970 --> 01:06:00.990
<v Ivan>yeah, so that's why it's it's showing that way.

01:06:01.870 --> 01:06:05.850
<v Sam>OK, next up, we both agreed that the U.S.

01:06:05.950 --> 01:06:11.550
<v Sam>would not annex Panama or any part of Panama like the canal. We were both correct.

01:06:11.850 --> 01:06:12.910
<v Ivan>I think we're both correct.

01:06:13.470 --> 01:06:20.190
<v Sam>Now, I said more so than that. Trump will, however, try to extract something

01:06:20.190 --> 01:06:24.710
<v Sam>from Panama in exchange for not taking over the canal. He forgot about Panama.

01:06:26.070 --> 01:06:31.890
<v Sam>Yeah, I think there was some talk about that back, like, in December when we

01:06:31.890 --> 01:06:34.050
<v Sam>made this prediction show, but it basically disappeared.

01:06:34.330 --> 01:06:35.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, he's completely forgotten about it.

01:06:36.050 --> 01:06:38.830
<v Sam>So I'll say no, he didn't really.

01:06:38.990 --> 01:06:44.930
<v Sam>I mean, maybe something behind the scenes happened, but basically Panama stopped being talked about.

01:06:44.930 --> 01:06:49.850
<v Ivan>The only thing that I remember was something about... Well, well,

01:06:50.370 --> 01:06:53.550
<v Ivan>okay, now, there was one thing that happened, okay?

01:06:54.490 --> 01:06:58.990
<v Ivan>Hang on. Let me double check. Let me double check, but I think that there was...

01:06:59.970 --> 01:07:03.570
<v Ivan>Let me let me let me see if I OK.

01:07:04.750 --> 01:07:09.910
<v Ivan>I'm looking this up. Hang on. I think there was a deal.

01:07:13.690 --> 01:07:23.130
<v Ivan>There had been a push for a deal to take China out of management of ports in

01:07:23.130 --> 01:07:26.090
<v Ivan>in Panama that was done by Hutchison.

01:07:26.410 --> 01:07:34.030
<v Ivan>OK, and they did push them through that. But I don't think the deal actually happened.

01:07:34.150 --> 01:07:36.130
<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, there's an article here.

01:07:36.310 --> 01:07:40.830
<v Sam>The prediction was Trump will try to extract something.

01:07:41.210 --> 01:07:48.070
<v Ivan>OK, so the answer is yes. Yes. What they were trying to do was that they were

01:07:48.070 --> 01:07:57.950
<v Ivan>demanding that Hong Kong-based Hutchinson cease managing the ports and move

01:07:57.950 --> 01:08:00.890
<v Ivan>those operations to U.S.

01:08:00.970 --> 01:08:05.430
<v Ivan>investors because the ports are strategic here in the U.S.

01:08:05.430 --> 01:08:09.530
<v Ivan>they they have been still negotiating that as a matter of wall street journal

01:08:09.530 --> 01:08:14.690
<v Ivan>reported on that that they're still working on that as of december 14th of the

01:08:14.690 --> 01:08:18.670
<v Ivan>year and that started way earlier in the year so the answer is yes they have been pushing for that.

01:08:18.670 --> 01:08:29.110
<v Sam>Okay next question no non-peaceful transitions of power in the americas now

01:08:29.110 --> 01:08:32.710
<v Sam>venezuela was 2026 so it does not count.

01:08:32.710 --> 01:08:33.790
<v Ivan>That I don't think.

01:08:33.790 --> 01:08:37.190
<v Sam>There were any others. No. Were there? I'm not forgetting any.

01:08:37.430 --> 01:08:42.950
<v Ivan>I mean, not that the, that, that, that, that non-peaceful, that the U.S.

01:08:42.990 --> 01:08:44.430
<v Ivan>was involved or just in general?

01:08:44.930 --> 01:08:49.290
<v Sam>Just in general. In the Americas, non-peaceful transfer of power.

01:08:49.510 --> 01:08:55.530
<v Sam>Like, as far as I know, every, every transfer of power was sort of regularly

01:08:55.530 --> 01:08:58.930
<v Sam>scheduled according to the rules, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:59.350 --> 01:09:02.690
<v Ivan>Let me double check. I thought I was thinking about Ecuador, maybe.

01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:06.220
<v Ivan>There were some impeachments.

01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.940
<v Sam>Well, even an impeachment would be peaceful.

01:09:10.740 --> 01:09:14.040
<v Ivan>True. Yeah, everything went normal. Okay.

01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:20.120
<v Sam>Okay. We were both correct then. Now, you know, if the weather had cooperated

01:09:20.120 --> 01:09:22.680
<v Sam>with Donald Trump, we would have been wrong.

01:09:22.860 --> 01:09:23.660
<v Ivan>We would have been wrong.

01:09:23.980 --> 01:09:27.020
<v Sam>Because he wanted to do the Venezuela thing on Christmas Day.

01:09:27.480 --> 01:09:31.640
<v Sam>But A, the Nigeria thing took precedence, which got done on Christmas Day instead.

01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.140
<v Sam>And then they had to wait for good weather.

01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:38.180
<v Ivan>Such lovely holiday presents that we get from our president.

01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:44.160
<v Sam>Okay, next up, we both agreed that Canada would not be the 51st state.

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.300
<v Ivan>I think that we are correct.

01:09:48.340 --> 01:09:52.180
<v Sam>We both agreed that Trump would not invade Mexico. We were right.

01:09:52.180 --> 01:09:53.740
<v Ivan>I think we're accurate on that one.

01:09:54.060 --> 01:09:56.780
<v Sam>We both agreed that Trump would not invade Canada.

01:09:57.300 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Ivan>No, we didn't invade Canada, yeah.

01:10:00.020 --> 01:10:03.320
<v Sam>We both agreed that we would not buy Greenland.

01:10:04.260 --> 01:10:05.600
<v Ivan>We haven't bought Greenland.

01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.380
<v Sam>We both agreed that Trump would not trade Puerto Rico for Greenland.

01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:16.360
<v Ivan>Unfortunately, Trump has not traded Puerto Rico for Greenland. I'm sad to report.

01:10:16.660 --> 01:10:21.680
<v Sam>We both agreed that there would be no new war between UN member states.

01:10:22.040 --> 01:10:23.680
<v Sam>I believe we were correct.

01:10:24.440 --> 01:10:28.740
<v Sam>And we specified it had to be between UN member states to sort of take off the

01:10:28.740 --> 01:10:33.660
<v Sam>table, like internal conflicts and... And, uh, hang on.

01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:34.220
<v Ivan>Hang on.

01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Sam>Okay. And, and it had to be new in 2025.

01:10:37.900 --> 01:10:38.700
<v Ivan>Not a civil war.

01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:43.900
<v Sam>Not a civil war. Now we did have all these wars that Trump stopped.

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.080
<v Sam>Were any of those new in 2025? And then he stopped them.

01:10:48.120 --> 01:10:53.880
<v Sam>I don't think any of them were full. I mean, even when they were like border skirmishes and stuff.

01:10:53.900 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Ivan>So we had the India-Pakistan armed conflict. Okay. So we had that. But was it a war?

01:11:00.540 --> 01:11:01.720
<v Sam>I mean, I guess.

01:11:02.020 --> 01:11:02.540
<v Ivan>It was three days.

01:11:03.780 --> 01:11:06.500
<v Sam>So is that a yes? There was a new war?

01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:12.540
<v Ivan>There was a Thailand-Cambodia border war that happened during July 2025.

01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:14.360
<v Sam>Okay.

01:11:14.360 --> 01:11:18.940
<v Ivan>I mean, Iran and Israel did fucking shoot at each other for.

01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:21.900
<v Sam>Yeah. I guess that there's fuzziness

01:11:21.900 --> 01:11:25.720
<v Sam>in here in terms of how severe something has to be to be a full war.

01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:27.880
<v Ivan>I mean, I guess, yeah, exactly. I mean, what is.

01:11:28.160 --> 01:11:30.960
<v Sam>I mean, is it like a war or something? Like, did we just have a war with Venezuela or not?

01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:37.980
<v Ivan>Well, okay, here's the thing. These were all short skirmishes.

01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:39.040
<v Sam>Right.

01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:39.420
<v Ivan>Right?

01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:41.700
<v Sam>I mean, I have to say. Do they count?

01:11:41.700 --> 01:11:48.260
<v Ivan>I don't, I mean, I think that, I mean, where's, you know, you know,

01:11:48.900 --> 01:11:53.960
<v Ivan>what is a reasonable amount of time for a conflict to become a war?

01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:59.420
<v Sam>I mean, back in the old days, you'd say, was there a formal declaration of war?

01:11:59.540 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Sam>But nobody does that anymore.

01:12:01.080 --> 01:12:03.500
<v Ivan>Right. We don't have that. We don't have that. So.

01:12:04.240 --> 01:12:08.380
<v Sam>I mean, like Ukraine and Russia clearly counted. Right. That's a war.

01:12:08.440 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a war. That's a war.

01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:16.740
<v Sam>You know, and I'd say, and, you know, it's not a member state,

01:12:16.860 --> 01:12:19.720
<v Sam>but Israel-Gaza, that was a war.

01:12:19.940 --> 01:12:24.140
<v Ivan>That was a war. That was a war. It was the length of time that was a war.

01:12:24.740 --> 01:12:26.140
<v Sam>So would you count these or not?

01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.020
<v Ivan>They were too short.

01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.140
<v Sam>Okay. So we'll say, yes.

01:12:30.140 --> 01:12:32.960
<v Ivan>There was no war. Yeah, they were too short.

01:12:34.390 --> 01:12:35.690
<v Ivan>They were just too short.

01:12:36.350 --> 01:12:42.150
<v Sam>Yes, no new war. We also said there would be no new civil wars that would be

01:12:42.150 --> 01:12:45.030
<v Sam>significant enough that we would pay attention to them on the show.

01:12:45.630 --> 01:12:50.690
<v Sam>There were all kinds of civil wars across the world going on,

01:12:50.710 --> 01:12:53.850
<v Sam>but I don't think we spent a significant amount of time talking about any.

01:12:54.550 --> 01:12:59.130
<v Ivan>That's true. Did we spend a lot of time talking about? No, even though there are.

01:12:59.270 --> 01:13:00.570
<v Sam>Like a whole segment.

01:13:00.690 --> 01:13:04.090
<v Ivan>We mentioned Sudan. That was a whole bunch of. Exactly. I was going to say Sudan.

01:13:04.090 --> 01:13:09.150
<v Sam>Yeah, we've mentioned it, but we we've never like if you add up all the times we talked about.

01:13:09.170 --> 01:13:10.410
<v Ivan>We don't know enough about it.

01:13:10.670 --> 01:13:11.250
<v Sam>Fucking year.

01:13:11.710 --> 01:13:15.090
<v Ivan>Yeah, we don't know enough about it. I agree. We don't know enough about it.

01:13:15.250 --> 01:13:19.010
<v Ivan>We just don't. That's that's that's on us. But, you know.

01:13:20.070 --> 01:13:26.350
<v Sam>OK, so, yes, we were right about that. And that is the end of the international section.

01:13:27.770 --> 01:13:36.850
<v Sam>OK, ready for the stats, Yvonne? I made 40 predictions, of which 34 were correct.

01:13:36.850 --> 01:13:47.110
<v Sam>That's 85.0%. You made 34 predictions, of which 27 were correct. That's 79.4%.

01:13:47.110 --> 01:13:49.250
<v Ivan>We're pretty good on international.

01:13:49.530 --> 01:13:57.070
<v Sam>So collectively, 74 predictions, 61 correct. That's 82.4%. And if we compare

01:13:57.070 --> 01:14:01.930
<v Sam>to last year, 79.5% last year.

01:14:02.070 --> 01:14:04.390
<v Sam>So we're up on this category as well.

01:14:04.790 --> 01:14:06.230
<v Ivan>We improved again.

01:14:07.050 --> 01:14:14.370
<v Sam>Okay. So time for another break. And then we will come back and do economy slash business.

01:14:14.950 --> 01:14:19.730
<v Sam>And as usual, by the way, each one of these tends to be shorter than the one

01:14:19.730 --> 01:14:21.470
<v Sam>before as we go through this.

01:14:21.750 --> 01:14:26.310
<v Sam>So you're past the bulk of it already. So, here we go!

01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:30.370
<v Sam>Okay, here we are. And actually, this section is really short.

01:15:31.030 --> 01:15:37.170
<v Sam>So, for some reason, we did not do a lot of economy stuff last time around.

01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:42.970
<v Sam>Okay, first up, we both predicted that mergers would ramp up under Trump. Were we correct?

01:15:43.830 --> 01:15:48.010
<v Ivan>I think the answer is yes, but I got to look up data on it. Hold on.

01:15:48.010 --> 01:15:53.090
<v Sam>I found a number of articles talking about how mergers were up,

01:15:53.150 --> 01:15:58.770
<v Sam>and there was lots of merger activity with people excited about the regulatory

01:15:58.770 --> 01:16:00.670
<v Sam>environment being more lenient.

01:16:01.710 --> 01:16:05.390
<v Sam>But I'll let you confirm it. Did you confirm it?

01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:12.890
<v Ivan>I'm looking. I'm trying to search. Hang on. The answer, yes. Confirm. Yes.

01:16:13.590 --> 01:16:22.850
<v Sam>Yes. Okay. you predicted and for some reason i didn't but no 2025 recession were you correct yeah.

01:16:22.850 --> 01:16:26.050
<v Ivan>There's no recession in 2025 as far as we know.

01:16:26.050 --> 01:16:34.050
<v Sam>Now we gave we both agreed on a sort of wishy-washy prediction about antitrust

01:16:34.050 --> 01:16:40.150
<v Sam>yeah uh the prediction was basically that some antitrust efforts would be canceled,

01:16:40.450 --> 01:16:46.130
<v Sam>but Trump will also keep some of them because of Trump's transactional approach for everything.

01:16:46.290 --> 01:16:49.990
<v Sam>Basically, if he liked you, he would stop going after you.

01:16:50.030 --> 01:16:56.570
<v Sam>If he didn't like you, he would sick them on you and do all the antitrust stuff he could.

01:16:58.590 --> 01:17:01.030
<v Sam>Is that correct? Is that how it played out?

01:17:01.230 --> 01:17:07.070
<v Ivan>We couldn't have been more accurate if we fucking had a damn Nostradamus on our team.

01:17:07.750 --> 01:17:08.350
<v Sam>Ha ha.

01:17:10.320 --> 01:17:17.520
<v Sam>Okay. Next up, tariffs. We both agreed that the overriding theme of tariffs would be similar.

01:17:17.860 --> 01:17:23.700
<v Sam>That regardless of anything else, in the end, they would all be transactional.

01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:28.980
<v Sam>You know, Trump would, you know, tariff or not tariff based on how much he liked you.

01:17:29.620 --> 01:17:32.760
<v Ivan>No. Were we right, Sam?

01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:35.500
<v Sam>I believe we were.

01:17:36.220 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Ivan>I mean, we couldn't have, again, we couldn't have been more accurate.

01:17:40.120 --> 01:17:42.240
<v Ivan>We had a fucking, you know, damn.

01:17:42.780 --> 01:17:48.700
<v Sam>Now, there were announcements of sort of these global values and all this kind of stuff.

01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:49.180
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:49.180 --> 01:17:52.080
<v Sam>But then they all got adjusted based on this kind of stuff.

01:17:52.220 --> 01:18:00.360
<v Ivan>And then you showed up with a fucking, like, custom Rolex and on the desk and, you know, a gold orb.

01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:03.340
<v Ivan>And all of a sudden, your tariffs got reduced.

01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:07.240
<v Sam>Right. Okay, next one.

01:18:08.420 --> 01:18:13.320
<v Sam>You're going to have to judge yourself on this one, too. You said there would

01:18:13.320 --> 01:18:19.720
<v Sam>not be enough tariffs so the average consumer would notice the difference.

01:18:21.100 --> 01:18:26.160
<v Ivan>I think I'm wrong. The average consumer has been bitching to all hell about

01:18:26.160 --> 01:18:29.360
<v Ivan>the affordability right now and prices soaring.

01:18:29.360 --> 01:18:37.580
<v Ivan>And they can't put their thumb on exactly why, because of the delayed effect.

01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:38.600
<v Sam>Right.

01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:41.940
<v Ivan>I mean, like I mentioned about my coffee today.

01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:42.860
<v Sam>Yes.

01:18:43.220 --> 01:18:47.940
<v Ivan>It's double. I mean, I've been buying that shit for a long time.

01:18:48.300 --> 01:18:50.540
<v Ivan>I mean, it's doubled in price.

01:18:51.300 --> 01:19:00.060
<v Sam>Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. We could debate whether or not knowing that it's because

01:19:00.060 --> 01:19:02.300
<v Sam>of tariffs matters to this question.

01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:07.660
<v Sam>But I think the average consumer has noticed an effect of the tariffs.

01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:09.320
<v Ivan>They have noticed that.

01:19:09.320 --> 01:19:10.600
<v Sam>They know that's what it is.

01:19:10.780 --> 01:19:13.340
<v Ivan>Right. They can't afford shit.

01:19:14.060 --> 01:19:20.760
<v Sam>Okay. Next up, we both agreed that there would be no significant impact from

01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.000
<v Sam>the tariffs on reshoring manufacturing.

01:19:24.820 --> 01:19:28.540
<v Ivan>That's been 100%. Yes. Look at the employment figures. Yes.

01:19:29.450 --> 01:19:34.510
<v Ivan>The only thing that propped up the economy in the second half was AI investment.

01:19:35.090 --> 01:19:40.430
<v Ivan>If it wasn't for AI investment, we would have been in a recession. Straight up. That's it.

01:19:41.070 --> 01:19:44.550
<v Sam>Next up are a whole bunch of up and downs for various values.

01:19:45.150 --> 01:19:48.390
<v Sam>We both agreed that inflation would be up.

01:19:48.870 --> 01:19:54.270
<v Sam>Now, typically, we use the November number for this and compare November to November.

01:19:55.610 --> 01:20:03.170
<v Sam>November 2024 was 2.7%. November 2025 was 2.7%.

01:20:03.170 --> 01:20:07.030
<v Ivan>Well, let me pull up a comparison over here.

01:20:07.070 --> 01:20:09.630
<v Sam>So that means inflation is not up.

01:20:10.590 --> 01:20:11.750
<v Ivan>Let me see. Hold on.

01:20:12.770 --> 01:20:16.910
<v Sam>I have 2.7% for both Novembers from my source.

01:20:17.470 --> 01:20:20.150
<v Ivan>Okay, if we go for a full calendar year.

01:20:20.490 --> 01:20:20.970
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:20:21.170 --> 01:20:25.350
<v Ivan>Okay, or at least the dates that we have so far.

01:20:25.510 --> 01:20:29.650
<v Sam>We have never done that before. We've always just compared the November number to the November number.

01:20:30.270 --> 01:20:35.530
<v Sam>Now, we didn't specify, so I guess you could argue to try to do a full year number instead.

01:20:36.850 --> 01:20:42.490
<v Ivan>You see, the thing is that it, because remember that we had this problems with

01:20:42.490 --> 01:20:44.510
<v Ivan>like the data reporting, okay?

01:20:45.070 --> 01:20:45.630
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

01:20:46.950 --> 01:20:50.750
<v Ivan>The number for last November, what did you say it was?

01:20:50.990 --> 01:20:51.950
<v Sam>2.7.

01:20:52.330 --> 01:20:53.370
<v Ivan>2.7.

01:20:53.810 --> 01:20:57.290
<v Sam>I'll send you, I'll text you the link that I used.

01:20:58.570 --> 01:21:02.710
<v Sam>Here's the site I used for this. As Yvonne looks.

01:21:05.970 --> 01:21:09.850
<v Ivan>2.7. You see, the problem that

01:21:09.850 --> 01:21:16.530
<v Ivan>we've got is that if you look at that chart specifically, what happened?

01:21:16.950 --> 01:21:21.030
<v Sam>And I'm, again, looking at usinflationcalculator.com. Yes, go ahead.

01:21:21.310 --> 01:21:22.930
<v Ivan>What happened with this chart, Sam?

01:21:23.310 --> 01:21:25.450
<v Sam>Well, we've got a missing October number.

01:21:25.630 --> 01:21:26.330
<v Ivan>That's right.

01:21:26.870 --> 01:21:30.290
<v Sam>But we're looking at November. And we have a November number.

01:21:31.650 --> 01:21:36.750
<v Sam>And they're equal, which since we both said it would be up, I'm counting us both as wrong.

01:21:38.050 --> 01:21:40.350
<v Ivan>I mean, if we go by the...

01:21:40.350 --> 01:21:45.230
<v Sam>Now, if you look at full year, we're still wrong. Like, if you look at every single month...

01:21:45.230 --> 01:21:49.870
<v Ivan>Actually, the problem is it depends on what data you use to fill out the data that's missing. Okay.

01:21:50.650 --> 01:21:51.350
<v Sam>Oh, yes.

01:21:51.610 --> 01:21:56.610
<v Ivan>And I have some people that estimate, based on what they believe happened in

01:21:56.610 --> 01:22:02.470
<v Ivan>October, it actually was higher if you punch that number in. so.

01:22:02.470 --> 01:22:05.670
<v Sam>Well but again like if you look month to month.

01:22:05.670 --> 01:22:11.210
<v Ivan>Can i just say something i'm sorry i based on what happened with the data reporting

01:22:11.210 --> 01:22:14.290
<v Ivan>with the fucking federal government we can't just don't believe anything anymore

01:22:14.290 --> 01:22:20.590
<v Ivan>now we don't have the data to actually accurately do this stupid question,

01:22:21.190 --> 01:22:27.250
<v Ivan>they they fucking went and like sabotaged the data reporting it's not comparable

01:22:27.250 --> 01:22:30.070
<v Ivan>apples to apples anymore so.

01:22:30.070 --> 01:22:33.750
<v Sam>I still lean to saying we got it wrong do you want to actually.

01:22:33.750 --> 01:22:38.170
<v Ivan>Disqualify this i'm disqualifying this question okay.

01:22:38.170 --> 01:22:43.570
<v Sam>I'll disqualify the question so it just doesn't count next.

01:22:43.570 --> 01:22:47.790
<v Ivan>If i go by the way i pulled up there is somewhere here let me see what this

01:22:47.790 --> 01:22:51.830
<v Ivan>is no they don't have the seasonally adjusted number either.

01:22:52.270 --> 01:22:54.930
<v Ivan>No, because the data is missing. Yeah.

01:22:57.490 --> 01:23:00.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, I'm disqualifying the question. I mean, there is a number there.

01:23:00.730 --> 01:23:04.230
<v Ivan>There's a chart further down which shows you seasonally adjusted inflation that

01:23:04.230 --> 01:23:09.670
<v Ivan>goes monthly that shows you the thing instead of like the annual inflation rate. Okay.

01:23:09.950 --> 01:23:12.130
<v Ivan>Which is what you were looking at. We're looking at the top.

01:23:12.710 --> 01:23:15.330
<v Ivan>And look at what happens in October or November. There's no number reported.

01:23:16.310 --> 01:23:16.710
<v Sam>Right.

01:23:17.250 --> 01:23:18.630
<v Ivan>Which that would be actually,

01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.660
<v Ivan>But we have no number. We have no number.

01:23:25.340 --> 01:23:29.520
<v Ivan>This fucking administration has broken everything.

01:23:30.380 --> 01:23:35.100
<v Sam>Okay. Well, the next one is also one that relies on government numbers, which is unemployment.

01:23:35.620 --> 01:23:40.660
<v Sam>We both agreed that it would be up. The BLS number, again, comparing November

01:23:40.660 --> 01:23:49.300
<v Sam>to November, goes from 4.2 in 2024 to 4.4 in 2025. So, yes, up, just barely.

01:23:49.300 --> 01:23:55.020
<v Ivan>It's up, and even if you go with the private number data from other people,

01:23:55.160 --> 01:23:56.380
<v Ivan>it confirms that the number is up.

01:23:56.780 --> 01:24:03.420
<v Ivan>This one, there is corroboration that unemployment is up. So, yeah.

01:24:04.780 --> 01:24:10.220
<v Sam>Okay, next up, we both agreed that Apple stock would be up for the year.

01:24:10.660 --> 01:24:11.700
<v Ivan>That we were right.

01:24:11.940 --> 01:24:17.060
<v Sam>We were right. We both agreed the Dow would be up for the year. We were right.

01:24:17.240 --> 01:24:17.840
<v Ivan>We were right.

01:24:19.060 --> 01:24:23.260
<v Sam>You predicted Bitcoin would be up, but I predicted Bitcoin would be down.

01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:25.320
<v Sam>I was right. You were wrong.

01:24:25.860 --> 01:24:26.080
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:24:26.500 --> 01:24:29.180
<v Sam>It's fairly flat, but it was down a little bit.

01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:31.900
<v Ivan>It was down. It was down. It was down. Just a little bit. For the whole year.

01:24:33.030 --> 01:24:37.810
<v Sam>Next up, eggs. We both agreed the price of eggs would be up.

01:24:38.430 --> 01:24:41.590
<v Sam>No. The price of eggs are down significantly.

01:24:42.270 --> 01:24:45.230
<v Sam>Down quite a bit from the end of last year.

01:24:45.910 --> 01:24:51.990
<v Sam>And then we split also on West Texas Intermediate Oil.

01:24:52.350 --> 01:24:56.770
<v Sam>You said it would be down. I said it would be up. It is very much down.

01:24:57.490 --> 01:25:04.290
<v Sam>So you were right. I was wrong. And we are already at the end of the economic section.

01:25:05.230 --> 01:25:05.270
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:25:05.570 --> 01:25:10.050
<v Sam>I made 10 predictions of which I got eight correct. That's 80%.

01:25:10.050 --> 01:25:14.810
<v Sam>You made 12 predictions of which you got nine correct.

01:25:15.050 --> 01:25:21.090
<v Sam>That's 75%. So combined, 22 predictions, 17 right.

01:25:21.290 --> 01:25:29.790
<v Sam>That's 77.3%. Last year, we were at 61.5. so third category in a row we beat

01:25:29.790 --> 01:25:35.610
<v Sam>last year there you go and third category in a row i did better than you.

01:25:35.610 --> 01:25:40.330
<v Ivan>Sam has been kicking my asses here.

01:25:40.330 --> 01:25:47.450
<v Sam>Yeah i i i'm i'm amazing i'm incredible that is the way things go incredible

01:25:47.450 --> 01:25:53.530
<v Sam>nostra samus nostra samus yes there you go okay let's take another break,

01:25:53.690 --> 01:25:54.590
<v Sam>even though it was short.

01:25:54.890 --> 01:25:58.670
<v Sam>And when we come back, it'll be time for technology.

01:25:59.170 --> 01:25:59.830
<v Sam>Here we go.

01:27:43.030 --> 01:27:46.950
<v Sam>Okay. And it's time to continue with technology.

01:27:47.310 --> 01:27:52.070
<v Sam>And I said each one gets shorter than one before, but economy was really short.

01:27:52.250 --> 01:27:54.490
<v Sam>We're back up to a bit larger numbers here.

01:27:54.850 --> 01:27:59.190
<v Sam>So first up, Yvonne, this is your area of expertise, so you're going to need

01:27:59.190 --> 01:28:05.590
<v Sam>to look this up. We're talking about the percent of total sales in the U.S.

01:28:06.030 --> 01:28:11.270
<v Sam>of electric and hybrid 2024 versus 2025.

01:28:11.850 --> 01:28:12.290
<v Ivan>It was up.

01:28:12.430 --> 01:28:13.090
<v Sam>Okay.

01:28:13.130 --> 01:28:16.870
<v Ivan>I don't remember, but the numbers were significantly up.

01:28:17.730 --> 01:28:21.210
<v Sam>Significantly up. Because you'd basically said it would be plus or minus 1%,

01:28:21.210 --> 01:28:24.290
<v Sam>so basically flat. And I'd said it would be down.

01:28:24.690 --> 01:28:26.650
<v Ivan>And now they were way up.

01:28:26.830 --> 01:28:28.170
<v Sam>So we're both wrong.

01:28:28.710 --> 01:28:33.790
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, they were way up. I mean, you pull up the chart to confirm,

01:28:33.950 --> 01:28:35.470
<v Ivan>but yeah, they were way up.

01:28:35.770 --> 01:28:41.930
<v Ivan>Remember, because the expiration of the incentives, there was a massive tailwind.

01:28:41.930 --> 01:28:43.090
<v Sam>Lots of people trying to get in under the line.

01:28:43.110 --> 01:28:46.250
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

01:28:46.650 --> 01:28:52.210
<v Ivan>Let me pull it up, but I know that I had looked it up recently because I knew this would come up.

01:28:52.690 --> 01:28:55.530
<v Sam>Well, we made a new prediction on it last week, so.

01:28:55.830 --> 01:29:02.750
<v Ivan>Yes. Here we go. Let's see. Yeah, they were up 11.7%.

01:29:03.250 --> 01:29:08.030
<v Sam>Okay. I don't think it makes a difference for this, but was this pure electric

01:29:08.030 --> 01:29:10.610
<v Sam>only or electric plus hybrid or what?

01:29:10.730 --> 01:29:13.450
<v Ivan>I was looking at pure electric, like, right now.

01:29:15.070 --> 01:29:22.130
<v Sam>Okay, next up was U.S. gas consumption, gasoline consumption in the U.S.

01:29:22.990 --> 01:29:29.490
<v Sam>You had said it would be basically flat, plus or minus 1%, 2025 versus 2024. I said it would be up.

01:29:30.150 --> 01:29:35.330
<v Sam>The best, I looked briefly for this, it looked like it was down more like 3%.

01:29:36.130 --> 01:29:39.750
<v Sam>And I was comparing same month to same month.

01:29:39.870 --> 01:29:43.970
<v Sam>I didn't have a full year number. so i was like comparing october to october

01:29:43.970 --> 01:29:45.890
<v Sam>or something because that's the most recent month i had.

01:29:45.890 --> 01:29:51.210
<v Ivan>Do you have a different info well let's see let's let's let's try look let's,

01:29:54.850 --> 01:30:05.030
<v Ivan>it the estimate that is from s&p global flat to slight increase it is like basically flat.

01:30:05.030 --> 01:30:07.690
<v Sam>Is it within one percent that's how you define.

01:30:07.690 --> 01:30:14.410
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah it was like 8.94 million barrels a day versus 8.95 million barrels a day.

01:30:14.410 --> 01:30:18.770
<v Sam>Okay so you you were right oh wait you said slightly up.

01:30:18.770 --> 01:30:20.910
<v Ivan>It's flat to slight increase yeah.

01:30:20.910 --> 01:30:27.310
<v Sam>8.94 okay so we were both right because i said up and you said flat so but i

01:30:27.310 --> 01:30:31.430
<v Sam>i did find an october to october number that was like down for october or something

01:30:31.430 --> 01:30:34.030
<v Sam>like that but i'll go with your number there.

01:30:34.030 --> 01:30:37.270
<v Ivan>There's there's a there's a you know they're they're,

01:30:39.190 --> 01:30:44.930
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, it's about, it's about flattish.

01:30:45.370 --> 01:30:45.810
<v Sam>Okay.

01:30:45.950 --> 01:30:47.150
<v Ivan>I mean, it's, yeah.

01:30:47.890 --> 01:30:48.130
<v Sam>Now.

01:30:48.390 --> 01:30:55.250
<v Ivan>But flattish to little bits. And this is from S&P Global, basically, the one that I had in AAA.

01:30:56.070 --> 01:31:00.170
<v Sam>Okay. Excellent. Okay. Good. We were both right then. Next up,

01:31:00.310 --> 01:31:02.690
<v Sam>the next few questions are about Tesla specifically.

01:31:03.310 --> 01:31:08.930
<v Sam>You started out with a vague high level, and then we both got a little bit more specific.

01:31:09.190 --> 01:31:15.810
<v Sam>So the vague high level was you said Tesla will be doing worse in 2025 than 2024.

01:31:16.390 --> 01:31:21.050
<v Ivan>I mean, in terms of metrics, but I'm specifying metrics. I guess I meant car

01:31:21.050 --> 01:31:23.110
<v Ivan>sales. The answer is car sales. They're down.

01:31:23.690 --> 01:31:27.310
<v Sam>Okay. Then I will count you as right on that one.

01:31:27.610 --> 01:31:27.730
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:31:27.890 --> 01:31:33.190
<v Sam>Then you, then you did get more specific. You said Tesla revenue and profits would both be down.

01:31:33.570 --> 01:31:34.530
<v Ivan>That's correct.

01:31:35.190 --> 01:31:39.410
<v Sam>Okay. Then I said Tesla's stock would be down, and I was wrong.

01:31:39.670 --> 01:31:40.810
<v Ivan>Oh, God, you were wrong.

01:31:41.930 --> 01:31:45.410
<v Sam>Because, of course, those things shouldn't relate in any way, right?

01:31:45.550 --> 01:31:48.510
<v Sam>No. Like the financial performance versus stock performance.

01:31:48.670 --> 01:31:50.170
<v Sam>There's no reason those would be correlated.

01:31:50.170 --> 01:31:52.710
<v Ivan>There's no reason those should be related. What are you talking about?

01:31:53.110 --> 01:31:56.710
<v Ivan>What kind of sick person are you? Come on. No.

01:31:57.410 --> 01:32:04.670
<v Sam>Okay. You then predicted that Biden's clean energy incentives would not be reversed.

01:32:05.390 --> 01:32:06.930
<v Ivan>Well, I was wrong on that one.

01:32:07.790 --> 01:32:12.710
<v Sam>You made the argument that a whole bunch of red states benefit from them a lot,

01:32:12.710 --> 01:32:15.210
<v Sam>so there'd be congressional resistance to any rollback.

01:32:15.250 --> 01:32:19.250
<v Ivan>And actually, there has been congressional resistance from those states,

01:32:19.270 --> 01:32:22.070
<v Ivan>but not enough to stop it from happening.

01:32:22.450 --> 01:32:25.310
<v Ivan>And I expect that—here's the other thing that I expected.

01:32:25.730 --> 01:32:30.930
<v Ivan>I mean, Elon Musk is benefiting greatly from these, but he decided to completely

01:32:30.930 --> 01:32:32.450
<v Ivan>shoot himself on the foot on this.

01:32:32.870 --> 01:32:33.490
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:32:34.860 --> 01:32:40.440
<v Ivan>But it's one that baffles me to this day. I don't understand why.

01:32:41.240 --> 01:32:48.580
<v Sam>Okay, next up. Global carbon burned, we both agreed, would not go down this

01:32:48.580 --> 01:32:50.940
<v Sam>year. We were correct. It did not go down.

01:32:51.100 --> 01:32:53.640
<v Sam>It continues to increase on a global level.

01:32:54.020 --> 01:32:59.360
<v Sam>I further predicted that the global CO2 level, so not the amount burned,

01:32:59.540 --> 01:33:04.180
<v Sam>but the amount actually in the air would continue to go up. And yes, of course it did.

01:33:05.280 --> 01:33:14.540
<v Sam>We both agreed that the percentage of global energy use from non-carbon sources would increase. It did.

01:33:15.020 --> 01:33:15.500
<v Ivan>It did.

01:33:16.420 --> 01:33:24.380
<v Sam>We both agreed that there would be an increase in the percentage of global power

01:33:24.380 --> 01:33:27.540
<v Sam>from nuclear power, specifically year over year.

01:33:27.540 --> 01:33:37.940
<v Sam>Now, I could not find 2025 data out yet, but 2024 was slightly up from 2023,

01:33:37.940 --> 01:33:40.000
<v Sam>so I was going to count us both right.

01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:43.840
<v Ivan>Let's see if I can find anything. Let's see what we got.

01:33:46.980 --> 01:33:49.600
<v Ivan>The World Nuclear Association.

01:33:50.300 --> 01:33:53.460
<v Sam>I think I may have been on their site earlier today as well.

01:33:53.620 --> 01:33:56.780
<v Ivan>It says like a modest increase, like about 2%.

01:33:58.940 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Sam>Percent of global? Because I found a percent increase of an absolute number, not of a percentage.

01:34:04.180 --> 01:34:08.960
<v Ivan>Global, absolute, yeah. Absolute production globally, a slight increase of 2%.

01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:12.120
<v Sam>Yeah, so, but we weren't talking about absolute, we were talking about a percentage

01:34:12.120 --> 01:34:14.780
<v Sam>of global. So, you'd have to do the math on that.

01:34:15.260 --> 01:34:18.000
<v Sam>I still gave us yes on both.

01:34:18.380 --> 01:34:19.140
<v Ivan>Okay, all right.

01:34:20.220 --> 01:34:26.060
<v Sam>Because the hard number I could find on percentage was a year out of date,

01:34:26.060 --> 01:34:27.500
<v Sam>but it was still up slightly.

01:34:28.160 --> 01:34:33.560
<v Sam>And indicators like this for 2025 are like, okay, the absolute number was up.

01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:37.660
<v Sam>Whether or not the percentage is up depends on whether that increased faster

01:34:37.660 --> 01:34:41.460
<v Sam>or slower than the overall number, but I'll give it to us.

01:34:42.100 --> 01:34:42.200
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:44.400
<v Sam>Okay, next up,

01:34:45.510 --> 01:34:53.190
<v Sam>was whether there'd be a successful reuse of Starship or Super Heavy by SpaceX.

01:34:53.750 --> 01:34:54.690
<v Ivan>Was there?

01:34:55.110 --> 01:35:01.350
<v Sam>Now, what I found was a reference that Super Heavy was reused in May,

01:35:01.710 --> 01:35:07.210
<v Sam>but it had, quote-unquote, a hard splashdown.

01:35:08.150 --> 01:35:09.430
<v Sam>So does it count as successful?

01:35:09.610 --> 01:35:12.310
<v Ivan>No, no, that wasn't a successful reuse.

01:35:12.790 --> 01:35:16.290
<v Sam>Well, it successfully boosted whatever it was supposed to boost to orbit.

01:35:16.950 --> 01:35:19.230
<v Ivan>Yeah, but— Or whatever it was supposed to do. Well, I'm sorry,

01:35:19.290 --> 01:35:21.750
<v Ivan>but also the recovery is part of the damn thing.

01:35:21.850 --> 01:35:25.150
<v Ivan>You're like saying, hey, I dropped the kid off at school.

01:35:25.330 --> 01:35:27.870
<v Ivan>Hey, I successfully drove to school. I dropped the kid off at school.

01:35:27.950 --> 01:35:29.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, but you came back with no car!

01:35:30.430 --> 01:35:32.350
<v Sam>Well, I successfully dropped the kid off.

01:35:33.450 --> 01:35:35.030
<v Ivan>It was not a successful trip.

01:35:35.630 --> 01:35:40.890
<v Sam>Okay, now, and to be fair, I found the references to May. I could not verify

01:35:40.890 --> 01:35:42.950
<v Sam>whether they tried again after me.

01:35:43.490 --> 01:35:45.590
<v Sam>Do you want to see if you can find something real quick?

01:35:46.090 --> 01:35:49.510
<v Ivan>No, no, we're, we're, you know, no, okay.

01:35:49.530 --> 01:35:53.630
<v Sam>No successful reuse. I'm sure if we got that wrong, Bruce will yell at us.

01:35:53.930 --> 01:35:55.670
<v Ivan>Yes, we'll get a yell. We'll get a courage.

01:35:55.690 --> 01:35:59.130
<v Sam>And he will probably tell us that it was a successful reuse because it did launch

01:35:59.130 --> 01:36:00.350
<v Sam>the thing it was supposed to launch.

01:36:00.530 --> 01:36:04.830
<v Ivan>I don't agree to successful reuse. I mean, it doesn't include like,

01:36:05.070 --> 01:36:06.870
<v Ivan>you know, completing the damn.

01:36:06.870 --> 01:36:11.150
<v Sam>I mean, it didn't blow up on the pad. They just, like, it had a hard landing.

01:36:11.410 --> 01:36:12.810
<v Ivan>Hey, I didn't die!

01:36:13.870 --> 01:36:15.590
<v Sam>Don't, yeah, yeah, okay.

01:36:16.170 --> 01:36:16.690
<v Ivan>Fine.

01:36:18.450 --> 01:36:20.170
<v Sam>We both agreed no major.

01:36:20.170 --> 01:36:22.050
<v Ivan>My success metric is a little bit higher.

01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:29.340
<v Sam>Okay, we both agreed no major new human spaceflight developments in 2025.

01:36:30.660 --> 01:36:32.140
<v Ivan>We didn't have any, right? Or did we?

01:36:32.280 --> 01:36:33.440
<v Sam>I think we were right.

01:36:33.740 --> 01:36:34.180
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:39.040
<v Sam>You predicted no major self-driving developments in 2025.

01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:42.640
<v Ivan>We didn't have any. Basically status quo.

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:48.180
<v Sam>So I'll count you as right on that. But you specifically also called out they

01:36:48.180 --> 01:36:51.140
<v Sam>still can't reliably do unproductive left turns.

01:36:51.140 --> 01:36:57.600
<v Sam>Now, I saw some articles from late in the year saying there specifically had

01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:03.560
<v Sam>been significant improvements in Tesla full self-driving doing unpredicted left

01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:05.120
<v Sam>turns, unproductive left turns.

01:37:05.160 --> 01:37:10.700
<v Ivan>Yeah, but not unpredicted. Once again, this is like, you know, yeah, it improved.

01:37:10.900 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Ivan>Yeah, but that's like same shit as we've had. Significant breakthrough. Okay.

01:37:15.420 --> 01:37:17.800
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's been improving, but it's not there yet.

01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:23.460
<v Sam>Well, no, this prediction was they still can't reliably do unprotected left turns.

01:37:23.820 --> 01:37:26.420
<v Sam>Can they reliably do unprotected left turns now?

01:37:27.080 --> 01:37:32.460
<v Ivan>Okay. I, I, I, I, you know what? I don't know if that's the case.

01:37:33.120 --> 01:37:35.380
<v Ivan>Okay. Check it. Ugh.

01:37:36.820 --> 01:37:38.080
<v Ivan>Ugh. All right.

01:37:39.320 --> 01:37:41.580
<v Ivan>The answer is no.

01:37:42.040 --> 01:37:44.240
<v Sam>No, they still can't do them?

01:37:44.500 --> 01:37:47.100
<v Ivan>No, they're not reliably in all conditions.

01:37:47.700 --> 01:37:50.920
<v Sam>Okay, so I'm going to count you as correct.

01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:54.680
<v Ivan>So it's improved, but it still can't do it reliably in all conditions.

01:37:55.100 --> 01:37:58.160
<v Sam>Okay, next up, social media.

01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:03.700
<v Sam>You made a general prediction, and then I was more specific.

01:38:03.700 --> 01:38:07.140
<v Sam>your prediction was that x would

01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:10.460
<v Sam>still be bigger than the other competitor social

01:38:10.460 --> 01:38:13.500
<v Sam>media platforms now i broke

01:38:13.500 --> 01:38:17.300
<v Sam>it down and made separate predictions for threads mastodon and blue sky but

01:38:17.300 --> 01:38:23.300
<v Sam>you just made a general one against the competition so how would you because

01:38:23.300 --> 01:38:29.960
<v Sam>we talked last week towards the end of the year yeah threads exceeded x on monthly

01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.400
<v Sam>active users so does that mean you are wrong on this one?

01:38:33.820 --> 01:38:37.880
<v Ivan>I may be. Let me see. All right, let's see.

01:38:39.190 --> 01:38:43.870
<v Ivan>I would say because it's not a trend. It was only like one month that X was

01:38:43.870 --> 01:38:45.750
<v Ivan>still bigger because it was only one month.

01:38:46.250 --> 01:38:52.630
<v Ivan>You know, we did have a month where that metric did exceed, but I don't know if reliably they are.

01:38:53.530 --> 01:38:55.450
<v Sam>So you want to count yourself as right.

01:38:56.090 --> 01:38:56.570
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:38:56.870 --> 01:38:57.970
<v Sam>X is still bigger. Okay.

01:38:58.210 --> 01:38:58.350
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:38:58.630 --> 01:39:03.610
<v Sam>Well, in that case, I will make a clean sleep on the clean sleep.

01:39:04.050 --> 01:39:05.610
<v Sam>Clean sleep sounds good.

01:39:05.870 --> 01:39:07.290
<v Ivan>That sounds nice.

01:39:08.310 --> 01:39:12.710
<v Sam>Okay, no, I separately said X is bigger than Threads, X is bigger than Mastodon,

01:39:12.810 --> 01:39:15.170
<v Sam>X is bigger than Blue Sky, so I should say yes on all three.

01:39:15.290 --> 01:39:15.450
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:39:15.450 --> 01:39:22.430
<v Sam>I got all three right. I did, however, say X will continue to decline, and that was also true.

01:39:22.630 --> 01:39:25.450
<v Ivan>That's correct, yes. It did decline, but it didn't, yeah.

01:39:26.130 --> 01:39:31.930
<v Sam>Okay. And this all hinges on us saying that, yes, Threads did have a good month,

01:39:31.970 --> 01:39:34.570
<v Sam>but we're not quite ready to say that it's bigger than X.

01:39:35.030 --> 01:39:35.790
<v Ivan>Correct, yes.

01:39:36.370 --> 01:39:40.030
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. then tick tock we

01:39:40.030 --> 01:39:46.730
<v Sam>both agreed that there would be no tick tock ban at any point in 2025 we.

01:39:46.730 --> 01:39:47.970
<v Ivan>Were definitely right on that one.

01:39:47.970 --> 01:39:54.150
<v Sam>No we were not they were shut down for 24 hours on january 19th right.

01:39:54.150 --> 01:39:57.310
<v Ivan>They were shut down for 24 hours i forgot about that,

01:39:59.430 --> 01:40:00.710
<v Ivan>huh yeah.

01:40:00.710 --> 01:40:06.950
<v Sam>And then uh so we were both wrong on that one i specifically had predicted that

01:40:06.950 --> 01:40:12.270
<v Sam>scotus would be the ones to rescue tiktok they were not it.

01:40:12.270 --> 01:40:13.090
<v Ivan>Was donald trump.

01:40:13.090 --> 01:40:19.490
<v Sam>It was donald j trump and in fact when tiktok turned themselves back on they

01:40:19.490 --> 01:40:23.450
<v Sam>had a message thank you donald j trump So,

01:40:24.070 --> 01:40:28.110
<v Sam>which, which by the way, happened before he was officially inaugurated.

01:40:28.310 --> 01:40:32.590
<v Sam>He basically promised he was not going to do anything about this ban and there

01:40:32.590 --> 01:40:36.290
<v Sam>and them and Apple and Google and everybody else were like, oh,

01:40:36.450 --> 01:40:38.690
<v Sam>okay, then we'll, we'll turn you back on.

01:40:40.140 --> 01:40:44.920
<v Sam>We'll believe you. Okay, I did have a conditional one, though,

01:40:45.020 --> 01:40:48.740
<v Sam>which said if it is banned, it will come back. So I'm counting myself right for that one.

01:40:49.120 --> 01:40:50.840
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, that's right. I mean, yeah.

01:40:51.740 --> 01:40:57.200
<v Sam>Okay, we both agreed there would be no other major social media shutdowns.

01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:58.900
<v Sam>I think we were right on that one.

01:40:58.940 --> 01:40:59.740
<v Ivan>I think that's right.

01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:10.020
<v Sam>Okay, we both agreed. And in fact, you made a recommendation based on this prediction.

01:41:11.120 --> 01:41:19.440
<v Sam>You said that Donald J. Trump, the stock, DJT stock, would be up year over year,

01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:25.380
<v Sam>and you recommended that this is the smart play for investment during the Trump administration.

01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:30.220
<v Sam>How did DJT stock do over the course of the year, Yvonne?

01:41:30.240 --> 01:41:36.020
<v Ivan>You pulled up the chart. I'm 90, 90, 90. I was wrong.

01:41:36.260 --> 01:41:40.040
<v Ivan>I haven't even pulled up the chart. I know I was wrong. And it,

01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:44.980
<v Ivan>let's see, during the year, holy fuck,

01:41:47.430 --> 01:41:58.990
<v Ivan>So in, let's see, pull up one year, on January, the stock peaked at $42.9 a

01:41:58.990 --> 01:42:02.230
<v Ivan>share on January 13th, right before the inauguration.

01:42:02.770 --> 01:42:10.530
<v Ivan>Right now, it's at 13.7. So down like 75%.

01:42:10.530 --> 01:42:13.450
<v Sam>Did I make a mistake putting my entire life savings in this, Yvonne?

01:42:13.670 --> 01:42:15.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, that was probably a bad idea.

01:42:15.930 --> 01:42:19.670
<v Sam>Oh, man. Okay, we were both wrong.

01:42:20.650 --> 01:42:26.030
<v Sam>Then we talked about Truth Social as a social media site, and we talked about

01:42:26.030 --> 01:42:30.450
<v Sam>it for a couple minutes, but the summary was that it remains just a cesspool

01:42:30.450 --> 01:42:32.190
<v Sam>for MAGA and no one else uses it.

01:42:32.450 --> 01:42:35.570
<v Ivan>Basically, that's what it still is. Nothing's changed.

01:42:36.250 --> 01:42:45.810
<v Ivan>I mean, Truth Social should be renamed the Trump Official Communications Authority.

01:42:47.480 --> 01:42:59.500
<v Sam>It's where he gets to do his 200 truth posts when he goes and does 200 of these

01:42:59.500 --> 01:43:02.680
<v Sam>at 3 in the morning when he can't sleep. That's what it's for.

01:43:04.620 --> 01:43:12.160
<v Sam>Okay, next up. We both agreed, and I counted this as one prediction,

01:43:13.020 --> 01:43:18.880
<v Sam>but we were talking about whether or not x would introduce an email app or some

01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:23.140
<v Sam>sort of cash app we both agreed they would not did they haven't.

01:43:23.140 --> 01:43:25.120
<v Ivan>Introduced shit as far as i know.

01:43:25.660 --> 01:43:26.360
<v Sam>Okay they.

01:43:26.360 --> 01:43:29.940
<v Ivan>Even lost their ceo i don't even know who's in charge of the damn company anymore.

01:43:29.940 --> 01:43:37.160
<v Sam>Wait that that lady's gone yeah oh yeah exactly it.

01:43:37.160 --> 01:43:39.180
<v Ivan>Was that yeah she's gone i don't even.

01:43:39.180 --> 01:43:39.560
<v Sam>Know who's.

01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:40.700
<v Ivan>In charging a company anymore.

01:43:40.700 --> 01:43:44.400
<v Sam>Okay well uh let me see who.

01:43:44.400 --> 01:43:51.060
<v Ivan>Replaced uh at uh x.

01:43:51.060 --> 01:43:58.660
<v Sam>Oh by the way last week we had talked about whether or not the the tiktok takeover

01:43:58.660 --> 01:44:03.620
<v Sam>was complete and you said yes it was it just happened i saw somewhere else that

01:44:03.620 --> 01:44:08.100
<v Sam>it's actually later this month oh okay like like the 28th or something.

01:44:08.580 --> 01:44:11.920
<v Ivan>Okay. I guess that what they announced was formally that they announced a specific

01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:13.600
<v Ivan>date it was closing. Okay. All right.

01:44:14.180 --> 01:44:18.620
<v Sam>All right. It apparently has not actually closed yet. It will later this,

01:44:18.740 --> 01:44:20.900
<v Sam>later this month. I forget the exact date.

01:44:21.420 --> 01:44:28.180
<v Ivan>Okay. Linda Iaccarino left her role in July, 2025, and Elon did not publicly

01:44:28.180 --> 01:44:32.480
<v Ivan>announce a successor for the role. So there's no boss.

01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:34.700
<v Sam>Well, presumably it's him.

01:44:36.170 --> 01:44:44.070
<v Ivan>I think, remember how they kind of merged XAI and X?

01:44:44.590 --> 01:44:45.090
<v Sam>Right.

01:44:45.170 --> 01:44:49.750
<v Ivan>I think if I remember that the guy that was running XAI and I kind of has like

01:44:49.750 --> 01:44:53.270
<v Ivan>as a responsibility of X.

01:44:54.030 --> 01:44:55.330
<v Sam>Grok's just running everything.

01:44:55.830 --> 01:44:56.330
<v Ivan>Right.

01:44:56.490 --> 01:44:57.210
<v Sam>Grok's in charge.

01:44:57.990 --> 01:44:59.250
<v Ivan>So everything should be fine.

01:45:00.230 --> 01:45:03.670
<v Sam>Okay. I did have a conditional here that if they did launch something,

01:45:03.670 --> 01:45:07.690
<v Sam>it would not be a success and nobody would use it. But it was a conditional, so it doesn't count.

01:45:07.850 --> 01:45:08.450
<v Ivan>It doesn't count.

01:45:09.390 --> 01:45:16.130
<v Sam>Okay. Then we both agreed that Apple would not launch glucose monitoring on the watches.

01:45:16.670 --> 01:45:18.670
<v Ivan>We were correct, as far as I know.

01:45:18.710 --> 01:45:24.950
<v Sam>You were correct. We both agreed that the AI bubble would not pop in 2025.

01:45:25.590 --> 01:45:26.830
<v Sam>That's correct. I believe we were correct.

01:45:27.210 --> 01:45:27.530
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:45:27.790 --> 01:45:32.290
<v Sam>If anything, things have still accelerated over the course of 2025. Yeah.

01:45:33.180 --> 01:45:37.840
<v Sam>We both agreed, however, that there would not be any AGI in 2025,

01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:43.480
<v Sam>you know, artificial general intelligence. I think we were right.

01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:44.140
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:45:45.100 --> 01:45:49.640
<v Sam>Now, this one's debatable because we said one thing on last week's show,

01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:51.640
<v Sam>but we can argue it again now.

01:45:52.880 --> 01:46:00.040
<v Sam>We disagreed on whether or not there would be a major incident blamed on AI

01:46:00.040 --> 01:46:03.640
<v Sam>this year. And we debated a little bit on what would count.

01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:08.460
<v Sam>I said it would be an issue with definable harm that we would talk about.

01:46:08.780 --> 01:46:13.980
<v Sam>We said that it wasn't enough that people were committing suicide because they

01:46:13.980 --> 01:46:16.680
<v Sam>were talking to the AIs because people committed suicide anyway.

01:46:16.980 --> 01:46:21.840
<v Sam>We said it wasn't enough that Teslas were running over people in the streets

01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.220
<v Sam>because people run over people in the streets anyway.

01:46:25.220 --> 01:46:28.240
<v Sam>So the question is, what counts? Now, last week on the show,

01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:35.340
<v Sam>we said that the fact that an AI apparently came up with those initial tariffs

01:46:35.340 --> 01:46:39.640
<v Sam>levels counted for this. Do we want to count it again today?

01:46:39.940 --> 01:46:40.780
<v Ivan>Yes, I agree.

01:46:41.320 --> 01:46:44.380
<v Sam>Okay, so you were wrong. I was right because you said there would be no major

01:46:44.380 --> 01:46:45.760
<v Sam>incident and I said there would be.

01:46:46.460 --> 01:46:49.600
<v Ivan>Yeah. No, no, no. It definitely counts as a major incident. Yeah.

01:46:50.040 --> 01:46:57.640
<v Sam>But were the tariffs really blamed on the AI? Or were they blamed on Donald Trump?

01:46:58.200 --> 01:47:02.740
<v Ivan>No, they went... Listen, Donald Trump said, give me reciprocal tariffs.

01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:07.240
<v Ivan>And they went, they used the AI to calculate them, and then we created a fucking...

01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:15.840
<v Ivan>international massive incident based on calculations done by an AI agent that

01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:17.340
<v Ivan>were pulled out of its ass.

01:47:17.660 --> 01:47:21.860
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. Guess what? We're done with technology.

01:47:22.140 --> 01:47:22.760
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:47:23.480 --> 01:47:28.840
<v Sam>I made 24 predictions of which 17 were correct.

01:47:29.120 --> 01:47:33.160
<v Sam>That's 70.8%. You

01:47:33.160 --> 01:47:36.220
<v Sam>made 22 predictions of which 15 were.

01:47:36.220 --> 01:47:39.880
<v Sam>Correct that's 68.2 percent you're

01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:44.380
<v Sam>still yet another category i've beat you yeah consistently

01:47:44.380 --> 01:47:51.060
<v Sam>beating me our combined number 46 predictions 32 right that's 69.6 percent and

01:47:51.060 --> 01:48:00.880
<v Sam>again comparing to 2024 we had 65.6 percent so up again up again up in every category so far,

01:48:01.820 --> 01:48:05.440
<v Sam>And we've only got one category left.

01:48:06.120 --> 01:48:07.180
<v Sam>Dun, dun, dun.

01:48:08.860 --> 01:48:14.540
<v Sam>Okay. So that last category is hodgepodge, but we're going to take a break first.

01:48:15.700 --> 01:48:18.320
<v Sam>And just so you guys all know the way it's going to work, we're going to do

01:48:18.320 --> 01:48:21.180
<v Sam>the hodgepodge category, then we'll take one final break, then we'll come back

01:48:21.180 --> 01:48:23.420
<v Sam>with overall numbers for the whole year, and then we'll be done.

01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:26.680
<v Sam>Okay, here we go.

01:49:39.820 --> 01:49:41.400
<v Ivan>No blue thing.

01:50:23.180 --> 01:50:24.660
<v Sam>You usually find music.

01:50:28.260 --> 01:50:35.400
<v Sam>Okay, so we are back. The first item is one to debate whether it should count at all or not.

01:50:36.780 --> 01:50:42.180
<v Sam>So we made a prediction about whether or not Jimmy Carter would survive 2025.

01:50:43.140 --> 01:50:50.580
<v Sam>He, of course, died essentially right after we recorded the prediction show, but still in 2024.

01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:57.840
<v Sam>So we said he would not survive 2025. Is this question moot and doesn't count at all?

01:50:58.020 --> 01:51:02.720
<v Ivan>I think it's moot and doesn't count at all. I mean, we didn't enter 2025 alive.

01:51:03.060 --> 01:51:08.000
<v Sam>Okay. Because you have your Fidel prediction, and he's still dead.

01:51:08.140 --> 01:51:11.040
<v Sam>He's still dead. Like, Jimmy Carter's still dead.

01:51:11.480 --> 01:51:14.380
<v Ivan>Okay, if we use Fidel as a threshold.

01:51:14.380 --> 01:51:20.080
<v Sam>What we said was, will not survive. Which is different than you predicting Fidel is still dead.

01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:25.920
<v Ivan>I mean... Hmm. Okay. Damn. Damn.

01:51:27.370 --> 01:51:30.310
<v Ivan>I don't know. What do you think? What are your thoughts?

01:51:31.170 --> 01:51:34.570
<v Sam>I think it should probably be moot. Okay.

01:51:34.950 --> 01:51:39.910
<v Sam>Because surviving the year implies that at some point in the year, he was still alive.

01:51:39.910 --> 01:51:41.490
<v Ivan>He was alive. Right.

01:51:42.030 --> 01:51:51.250
<v Sam>Now, if we had just said, Jimmy Carter will still be alive at the end of 2025, I would count that.

01:51:52.550 --> 01:51:53.930
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:51:53.950 --> 01:51:55.410
<v Sam>Or that he was still dead.

01:51:55.670 --> 01:51:56.950
<v Ivan>Yeah, but we said, yeah.

01:51:57.370 --> 01:52:02.350
<v Sam>We said he will not survive. We didn't say he will be dead.

01:52:02.610 --> 01:52:03.090
<v Ivan>Right.

01:52:03.290 --> 01:52:08.450
<v Sam>There's a difference. So I'm just taking this off. This question does not count.

01:52:08.730 --> 01:52:09.250
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:52:09.350 --> 01:52:12.410
<v Sam>We both agreed that he'd be dead, though.

01:52:12.790 --> 01:52:13.250
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:52:13.610 --> 01:52:17.330
<v Sam>But he started the year dead, so we'll not count this.

01:52:17.850 --> 01:52:24.010
<v Sam>Okay, next up, we both agreed that the polio vaccine would not lose approval for the U.S.

01:52:24.170 --> 01:52:27.850
<v Sam>because of RFK Jr. He did not pull the approval.

01:52:28.910 --> 01:52:31.930
<v Sam>He's done all kinds of things to mess with vaccine schedules,

01:52:32.110 --> 01:52:33.690
<v Sam>but he did not actually pull the approval.

01:52:34.070 --> 01:52:39.590
<v Sam>So we were both right. Now, this next one was a question from our listener,

01:52:40.010 --> 01:52:48.250
<v Sam>Ed, about a very specific thing about whether or not dengue fever would be eliminated

01:52:48.250 --> 01:52:56.010
<v Sam>for a certain number of square mile area due to a specific technique regarding using,

01:52:56.010 --> 01:52:58.430
<v Sam>like, treated mosquitoes or something.

01:52:58.810 --> 01:53:02.770
<v Ivan>Yeah, they've been doing that, like, experimenting with that, yes.

01:53:02.770 --> 01:53:07.490
<v Sam>Yeah. Now, I could not find specific information about this on 2025.

01:53:08.150 --> 01:53:12.730
<v Ivan>I haven't seen, I haven't heard that anybody used that anywhere.

01:53:13.550 --> 01:53:19.770
<v Sam>Like, I looked for this and I found some general information about dengue fever

01:53:19.770 --> 01:53:24.370
<v Sam>trends, but nothing specifically about trials with this technique.

01:53:24.370 --> 01:53:25.770
<v Sam>Now, I could have missed it.

01:53:27.160 --> 01:53:32.360
<v Sam>We both predicted that they would not only try it, but be successful at the

01:53:32.360 --> 01:53:34.440
<v Sam>trials. So I'm ready to call ourselves wrong.

01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:44.520
<v Ivan>I'm searching to see. According to ABC, there was a plan in Australia to release

01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.080
<v Ivan>the mosquitoes aimed at reducing dengue risk.

01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:52.420
<v Ivan>But it was paused and withdrawn after public backlash and regulatory reviews.

01:53:54.440 --> 01:53:59.000
<v Ivan>So there was an attempt to do it. Yeah, there was an attempt to do it,

01:53:59.300 --> 01:54:02.180
<v Ivan>but apparently it did not go through.

01:54:03.100 --> 01:54:11.320
<v Sam>Okay, next question was whether or not bird flu would make the jump to human-to-human transmission.

01:54:11.780 --> 01:54:15.000
<v Sam>We both said it would.

01:54:15.480 --> 01:54:17.320
<v Sam>I do not believe that happened.

01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:22.400
<v Sam>There have been bird-to-human transmission, but I don't think there's been human-to-human.

01:54:22.940 --> 01:54:26.540
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, no, there hasn't been human-to-human, yeah, that's correct.

01:54:26.540 --> 01:54:27.740
<v Sam>So we were both wrong.

01:54:28.040 --> 01:54:28.360
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:54:29.400 --> 01:54:33.300
<v Sam>I also predicted there would be a bird flu epidemic, but not a pandemic.

01:54:33.300 --> 01:54:37.280
<v Sam>I don't think there was either. No, there wasn't. There were a handful of cases, but not a pandemic.

01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:38.480
<v Ivan>No, we hadn't either. No.

01:54:38.980 --> 01:54:45.000
<v Sam>Okay. Okay, next up was the Super Bowl. First of all, Yvonne, who won? Oh, my God.

01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:46.320
<v Ivan>Philadelphia.

01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:49.980
<v Sam>Okay. Do you remember who you said would win?

01:54:50.140 --> 01:54:51.840
<v Ivan>I probably said Kansas City.

01:54:52.180 --> 01:54:54.920
<v Sam>You did. Do you remember who I said would win?

01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:56.200
<v Ivan>No.

01:54:56.540 --> 01:54:59.340
<v Sam>The bears bills oh the buffalo bills.

01:54:59.340 --> 01:55:01.200
<v Ivan>Okay all right we're both wrong there you go.

01:55:01.200 --> 01:55:10.240
<v Sam>Okay so good job us um okay next up are a couple questions that alex had added

01:55:10.240 --> 01:55:17.020
<v Sam>first up i predicted that abel fnaf web edition would not be canceled i was

01:55:17.020 --> 01:55:19.820
<v Sam>correct it was not canceled okay,

01:55:21.510 --> 01:55:25.510
<v Sam>I predicted that Abelsmay, that's me, would not die.

01:55:26.030 --> 01:55:29.270
<v Ivan>Yeah, I think we're right on that one. Yes.

01:55:29.630 --> 01:55:33.010
<v Sam>Unless you're a very good clone. I have something to reveal.

01:55:34.690 --> 01:55:39.090
<v Sam>I am, in fact, a zombie. I have been dead for years.

01:55:39.410 --> 01:55:43.210
<v Ivan>Well, you're doing great. But it didn't... Wait, but it's been for years.

01:55:43.210 --> 01:55:46.290
<v Ivan>So that means you didn't die in 2025.

01:55:47.090 --> 01:55:48.750
<v Sam>You're right. That's right. I died earlier.

01:55:49.110 --> 01:55:49.490
<v Ivan>Yikes.

01:55:50.210 --> 01:55:55.270
<v Sam>Okay. Well, anyway, Abel Smae did not die. You also agreed that Abel Smae would

01:55:55.270 --> 01:55:56.550
<v Sam>not die. Thank you, Yvonne.

01:55:56.870 --> 01:55:57.570
<v Ivan>You're welcome.

01:55:58.870 --> 01:56:05.410
<v Sam>We were both correct. Then a second Abel FNAF web version.

01:56:05.630 --> 01:56:08.970
<v Sam>Abel FNAF web version will not be canceled for real.

01:56:09.350 --> 01:56:13.090
<v Sam>I was right on that one as well. It is not canceled.

01:56:13.570 --> 01:56:17.830
<v Sam>However, I predicted that Abel FNAF web edition would be released,

01:56:18.430 --> 01:56:20.890
<v Sam>and it has not been. so I was wrong on that one.

01:56:21.650 --> 01:56:21.850
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:56:22.510 --> 01:56:27.010
<v Sam>Next, we have a couple of traditional Yvonne predictions. You predicted that

01:56:27.010 --> 01:56:30.470
<v Sam>Fidel Castro would stay dead. Did he stay dead?

01:56:30.850 --> 01:56:31.550
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:56:32.270 --> 01:56:35.330
<v Sam>Okay. Next, you predicted pain.

01:56:36.550 --> 01:56:41.870
<v Ivan>I mean, I think that I've never been more accurate.

01:56:42.390 --> 01:56:48.190
<v Sam>There you go. Next up, U.S. hurricane landfalls.

01:56:49.150 --> 01:56:53.110
<v Sam>I predicted three, you predicted six. How many were there, Yvonne?

01:56:53.490 --> 01:56:53.970
<v Ivan>Zero.

01:56:54.550 --> 01:56:56.710
<v Sam>There were zero. We were both wrong.

01:56:58.790 --> 01:57:03.510
<v Sam>Next, we both agreed that 2025 would be the hottest year ever.

01:57:04.390 --> 01:57:06.050
<v Ivan>Was it? Of course it was.

01:57:06.410 --> 01:57:10.270
<v Sam>No, it was not. It looks, the numbers are still preliminary,

01:57:10.270 --> 01:57:12.370
<v Sam>but it looks like it's going to come in second or third.

01:57:13.050 --> 01:57:15.250
<v Ivan>Oh, wow. Okay.

01:57:15.810 --> 01:57:18.110
<v Sam>So we were both wrong on that one.

01:57:19.050 --> 01:57:19.390
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:57:19.990 --> 01:57:25.650
<v Sam>You know, every year it's in, like, the top three, basically.

01:57:26.310 --> 01:57:30.570
<v Ivan>But, well, I'm glad we're wrong.

01:57:30.910 --> 01:57:37.210
<v Sam>I'm glad we're wrong, too. But, yeah, and so, again, still preliminary. Could be two.

01:57:37.350 --> 01:57:39.550
<v Sam>Could be three. But definitely not one.

01:57:40.250 --> 01:57:40.490
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:57:40.690 --> 01:57:48.330
<v Sam>Okay. We both predicted the best movie Oscar. You said Conclave. I said Wicked.

01:57:49.210 --> 01:57:50.810
<v Sam>Do you know what it actually was?

01:57:51.050 --> 01:57:52.630
<v Ivan>I have no idea. Who won?

01:57:53.290 --> 01:57:53.770
<v Sam>Onora.

01:57:54.690 --> 01:57:58.010
<v Ivan>Yeah, whatever. Like, Jesus, like we would have no idea. Fuck.

01:57:59.230 --> 01:58:07.270
<v Sam>Yeah, no, we were both wrong. Next was a prediction of where the average number of weekly,

01:58:07.510 --> 01:58:12.610
<v Sam>the trend line, where the trend line would be for curmudgeons corner seven day

01:58:12.610 --> 01:58:14.650
<v Sam>downloads at the end of the year.

01:58:14.650 --> 01:58:20.390
<v Sam>We both predicted it would be between 40 and 60, which is where it normally

01:58:20.390 --> 01:58:23.230
<v Sam>is almost all of the time.

01:58:23.530 --> 01:58:24.210
<v Ivan>And?

01:58:24.470 --> 01:58:25.930
<v Sam>It was less than that.

01:58:26.530 --> 01:58:27.330
<v Ivan>It was less?

01:58:27.830 --> 01:58:33.830
<v Sam>Over the last few weeks, it had been in that range most of the year.

01:58:34.170 --> 01:58:37.930
<v Sam>It has dropped below that in the last few weeks.

01:58:38.090 --> 01:58:45.070
<v Sam>I blame it for our non-standard publication schedule. we've had the last few

01:58:45.070 --> 01:58:50.970
<v Sam>weeks where we've released on all kinds of weird days instead of sort of like when we usually do.

01:58:51.190 --> 01:58:56.370
<v Sam>So our numbers have gone down. Like, just as an example, we put two episodes

01:58:56.370 --> 01:58:58.130
<v Sam>out only like three days apart.

01:58:59.190 --> 01:59:04.670
<v Sam>And so even if somebody downloaded both of those, they count once for that period

01:59:04.670 --> 01:59:06.590
<v Sam>of time, for that seven-day period.

01:59:07.210 --> 01:59:12.090
<v Sam>And then we've gone a couple times waiting longer than seven days.

01:59:12.170 --> 01:59:13.650
<v Sam>And now this time we're going to be shorter.

01:59:14.410 --> 01:59:17.510
<v Sam>Anyway, it's been a weird schedule and it's been holidays.

01:59:17.750 --> 01:59:20.610
<v Sam>I mean, we always have holidays and it doesn't usually dip this far,

01:59:20.790 --> 01:59:25.610
<v Sam>but it dipped pretty low because of our—and again, I'm blaming our weird schedule.

01:59:25.790 --> 01:59:27.870
<v Sam>It could be something else. People could just hate us now.

01:59:28.790 --> 01:59:35.550
<v Sam>Although it has started to pop back up in the last few days so anyway we were both wrong on that one,

01:59:36.450 --> 01:59:40.010
<v Sam>i predicted you made no prediction on this where the

01:59:40.010 --> 01:59:42.770
<v Sam>trend line for wiki of the day downloads would

01:59:42.770 --> 01:59:46.150
<v Sam>be combining all three of the wiki of the day podcasts i predicted

01:59:46.150 --> 01:59:49.730
<v Sam>it would be between 125 and 175 per

01:59:49.730 --> 01:59:52.730
<v Sam>seven day period at the end of the year i was wrong

01:59:52.730 --> 01:59:55.710
<v Sam>it's up at 240 so let's go

01:59:55.710 --> 01:59:58.890
<v Sam>look at that so and once

01:59:58.890 --> 02:00:02.350
<v Sam>again a lot more people apparently download

02:00:02.350 --> 02:00:05.770
<v Sam>my completely automated podcast that like

02:00:05.770 --> 02:00:08.530
<v Sam>i put no effort into on a daily

02:00:08.530 --> 02:00:11.610
<v Sam>basis than this one that i spend many hours on but

02:00:11.610 --> 02:00:17.230
<v Sam>you know whatever well it's a much simpler shorter download simpler shorter

02:00:17.230 --> 02:00:21.990
<v Sam>three minutes it's less of an investment than like a multi-hour current events

02:00:21.990 --> 02:00:29.590
<v Sam>podcast you know yeah so so anyway okay we're We split on whether Taylor Swift

02:00:29.590 --> 02:00:31.570
<v Sam>and Travis Kelsey would get engaged.

02:00:32.390 --> 02:00:36.690
<v Ivan>What did you say? Wait, they did. So what did you say?

02:00:36.690 --> 02:00:39.170
<v Sam>You said they would not. I said they would.

02:00:39.470 --> 02:00:41.730
<v Ivan>So you were wrong and I was right. Ha ha ha!

02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:47.420
<v Sam>Okay, next up, and I previewed this earlier, because earlier in the show,

02:00:47.440 --> 02:00:50.560
<v Sam>in the politics section, you said Trump would not die.

02:00:50.740 --> 02:00:53.180
<v Sam>Here in Hodgepodge, you say Trump will die.

02:00:55.180 --> 02:00:58.120
<v Sam>So last time you were right, this time you were wrong.

02:00:58.160 --> 02:01:00.860
<v Ivan>So I basically just canceled myself out. Great.

02:01:01.100 --> 02:01:02.740
<v Sam>You canceled yourself out. So

02:01:02.740 --> 02:01:06.700
<v Sam>you were wrong this time. You also predicted that King Charles would die.

02:01:07.380 --> 02:01:09.120
<v Ivan>Well, King Charles is not dead.

02:01:09.460 --> 02:01:10.980
<v Sam>King Charles is not dead.

02:01:10.980 --> 02:01:16.940
<v Ivan>I'm like, I mean, I'm not helping any, you know, this is, you know,

02:01:17.340 --> 02:01:22.960
<v Ivan>me predicting people will die is a surefire way for them to live longer.

02:01:24.260 --> 02:01:31.880
<v Sam>So now on last week's show, I predicted that Dick Van Dyke will die in 2026.

02:01:32.480 --> 02:01:37.900
<v Sam>But last year, I predicted he would live through 2025. And I was right.

02:01:38.380 --> 02:01:39.380
<v Ivan>Ah, there you go.

02:01:40.060 --> 02:01:45.000
<v Sam>However, I predicted that David Attenborough and Alan Greenspan would die,

02:01:45.020 --> 02:01:47.820
<v Sam>and they did not. So I got those two wrong.

02:01:51.280 --> 02:01:56.000
<v Sam>You—those were the old people, like, that were, you know—but then you—both of

02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:59.180
<v Sam>us predicted one younger person who would die this year.

02:01:59.380 --> 02:02:01.780
<v Sam>You predicted Jared Kushner would die.

02:02:02.320 --> 02:02:02.660
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:02:04.700 --> 02:02:10.880
<v Ivan>Like I said, this doesn't help me, you know, yeah, no, Cusher's not dead.

02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:14.340
<v Sam>I predicted Matt Gaetz would die.

02:02:14.780 --> 02:02:16.640
<v Ivan>Well, neither of them are dead.

02:02:17.620 --> 02:02:22.160
<v Sam>No, which is a shame because I didn't get to test my conditional,

02:02:22.440 --> 02:02:27.440
<v Sam>which was if Matt Gaetz did die, he would die high on cocaine in the arms of a hooker.

02:02:28.480 --> 02:02:33.640
<v Ivan>That would have been quite a, you know, quite a win for you.

02:02:33.640 --> 02:02:35.480
<v Ivan>Yes, and everybody else.

02:02:35.960 --> 02:02:40.000
<v Sam>Okay. We are now at the end of the hodgepodge section.

02:02:42.260 --> 02:02:46.460
<v Sam>Can you tell, just by having gone through that, how well or not we did?

02:02:46.660 --> 02:02:50.300
<v Ivan>I don't think we did do well. I don't think we did well in the hodgepodge.

02:02:50.460 --> 02:02:53.120
<v Ivan>I think we really screwed ourselves in the hodgepodge.

02:02:54.180 --> 02:02:58.280
<v Sam>I made 20 predictions, of which I got six.

02:03:00.320 --> 02:03:09.660
<v Sam>That is 30%. You made 14 predictions, of which you got 4 correct.

02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:10.860
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

02:03:11.300 --> 02:03:14.220
<v Sam>That is 28.6%.

02:03:14.220 --> 02:03:15.680
<v Ivan>How hard?

02:03:16.300 --> 02:03:21.260
<v Sam>So collectively, that's 34 predictions, of which we got 10 correct.

02:03:21.380 --> 02:03:25.120
<v Sam>That is 29.4% in the Hodgepodge.

02:03:25.140 --> 02:03:26.880
<v Ivan>How did we do versus last year?

02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:33.560
<v Sam>Well, last year at Hodgepodge, we got 41.9%. Jesus Christ.

02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:42.400
<v Sam>Every other category we did better this year, Hodgepodge, we were already low

02:03:42.400 --> 02:03:44.780
<v Sam>last year, and we fell even further through the floor.

02:03:46.560 --> 02:03:52.440
<v Sam>So, yeah. So that's that. And that's the end of the section.

02:03:53.080 --> 02:03:57.280
<v Sam>so we're going to take one more quick break and then we'll come back with the

02:03:57.280 --> 02:04:04.300
<v Sam>totals for everything together and then we'll say goodbye so here we go.

02:04:54.690 --> 02:04:59.370
<v Sam>Okay, we are back. First off, I just want to mention that even though we did

02:04:59.370 --> 02:05:06.710
<v Sam>so much worse on HodgePodge this time around than last year, I still beat you.

02:05:07.610 --> 02:05:08.370
<v Ivan>Yes, you did.

02:05:09.010 --> 02:05:13.710
<v Sam>So I did better than you in all five categories this year.

02:05:13.790 --> 02:05:16.150
<v Ivan>You did a clean sweep on all the categories.

02:05:16.930 --> 02:05:25.030
<v Sam>I did. Yeah, because I'm just that good. Okay, overall, I made 143 predictions,

02:05:25.030 --> 02:05:27.850
<v Sam>of which 99 were correct.

02:05:28.090 --> 02:05:33.890
<v Sam>Just one short of that 100 mark, but that's 69.2%.

02:05:34.870 --> 02:05:41.590
<v Sam>You made 123 predictions, of which you got 80 correct. That is 65%.

02:05:41.590 --> 02:05:43.030
<v Ivan>Okay, okay.

02:05:43.030 --> 02:05:47.890
<v Sam>So our overall number, 266 predictions,

02:05:48.930 --> 02:05:58.690
<v Sam>179 correct, that's 67.29%, compared to 52.40 last year.

02:05:58.870 --> 02:06:04.350
<v Sam>So significantly better than last year, just comparing to...

02:06:05.860 --> 02:06:12.820
<v Sam>Years going back even further. I'm just searching back. 2020.

02:06:14.540 --> 02:06:21.880
<v Sam>Whoa, this is good. This is good. 2018. 2017.

02:06:23.720 --> 02:06:28.020
<v Sam>Oh. I only have records in this spreadsheet going back to.

02:06:28.320 --> 02:06:35.820
<v Sam>Okay, here we go. This is the best we've done since 2016 when we got 73%.

02:06:36.420 --> 02:06:38.300
<v Ivan>Damn, there you go.

02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:46.800
<v Sam>So it may have not seemed great, but we actually did better with our 2025 predictions

02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:53.540
<v Sam>than 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, or 2017.

02:06:53.960 --> 02:06:57.280
<v Sam>Damn. Have to go back all the way to 2016 to get better.

02:06:58.020 --> 02:07:01.120
<v Sam>So we did pretty good in 2016, 73%.

02:07:01.120 --> 02:07:04.140
<v Ivan>You know, I noticed there's a weird thing.

02:07:04.500 --> 02:07:05.060
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:09.540
<v Ivan>I mean, wait, 2016 was the year.

02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:10.440
<v Sam>No, that was the year.

02:07:10.740 --> 02:07:11.980
<v Ivan>It was the election year.

02:07:12.380 --> 02:07:19.120
<v Sam>Yeah. Even though we both predicted Hillary would be president. Right. I think.

02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:20.140
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:07:20.300 --> 02:07:22.860
<v Sam>Let me make sure. Did we both predict Hillary would be president?

02:07:23.080 --> 02:07:28.940
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Well, we did predict Trump was going to be president. That's for sure.

02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:36.000
<v Sam>Our categories were all different. Here we go. Trump wins. Trump wins.

02:07:36.160 --> 02:07:37.800
<v Sam>Super Tuesday. Blah, blah, blah.

02:07:38.660 --> 02:07:42.260
<v Sam>Clinton. Yes, we both agreed that Clinton would win the presidency.

02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:43.160
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:07:43.320 --> 02:07:43.460
<v Sam>So.

02:07:43.820 --> 02:07:44.940
<v Ivan>That was our biggest.

02:07:45.440 --> 02:07:48.960
<v Sam>We were wrong about that one. But we were right about a lot of other things that year.

02:07:49.060 --> 02:07:55.160
<v Ivan>Right about everything else except. Just a little teeny weasy.

02:07:55.860 --> 02:07:59.340
<v Sam>So I guess I got to be happy. Best in like almost 10 years.

02:07:59.980 --> 02:08:03.100
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty damn good.

02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:09.380
<v Sam>Okay. Well, that's it for the show. You guys know curmudgeons-corner.com.

02:08:09.580 --> 02:08:13.840
<v Sam>We'll be back to doing normal shows next week, assuming nothing crazy happens.

02:08:14.480 --> 02:08:18.900
<v Sam>And it'll be longer than normal because for this week we recorded on a Sunday.

02:08:19.460 --> 02:08:24.420
<v Sam>So it'll be almost two weeks until the next episode is out.

02:08:25.650 --> 02:08:26.990
<v Ivan>Is that the way this is working?

02:08:27.750 --> 02:08:34.330
<v Sam>Yes, yes. We went over this last week. We record one episode every Sunday through Saturday week.

02:08:35.250 --> 02:08:37.230
<v Ivan>Right, so that means...

02:08:37.230 --> 02:08:44.150
<v Sam>So we're already done for the week of the 4th through the 10th.

02:08:44.430 --> 02:08:48.710
<v Sam>So chances are we won't record again until like the 15th or 16th.

02:08:50.050 --> 02:08:54.310
<v Sam>So unless we want to shift back to doing it earlier in the week instead of later

02:08:54.310 --> 02:09:01.290
<v Sam>in the week. But, you know, anyway, but yeah, so we'll be back to a normal show next time.

02:09:02.310 --> 02:09:05.790
<v Sam>And yeah, go to curmudgeoncypherandcorner.com. You can look at all our archives.

02:09:05.910 --> 02:09:10.950
<v Sam>You can actually listen to the prediction show that we just talked about if you want to.

02:09:11.290 --> 02:09:18.110
<v Sam>It was the last show recorded in 2024, December 27th.

02:09:18.690 --> 02:09:22.350
<v Sam>You know, you can go look at the, there's an archive section,

02:09:22.630 --> 02:09:25.630
<v Sam>click 2024, scroll down, find it, blah, blah, blah.

02:09:26.030 --> 02:09:29.190
<v Sam>I just listened to it. It was very exciting. It was a wonderful show.

02:09:29.330 --> 02:09:30.950
<v Sam>You guys should go back, listen to it.

02:09:31.130 --> 02:09:34.070
<v Sam>You can go back and listen to our 2016 prediction show too.

02:09:34.870 --> 02:09:38.810
<v Sam>That would have been the last one we recorded in 2015. It's all on the website.

02:09:38.950 --> 02:09:41.150
<v Sam>That's what the website's for. Listen to all these old episodes.

02:09:41.790 --> 02:09:46.690
<v Sam>Anyway, you can also find there all the ways to contact us, transcripts, all that kind of stuff.

02:09:47.110 --> 02:09:53.050
<v Sam>And of course, a link to our Patreon, where you can give us money at various levels.

02:09:53.110 --> 02:09:56.290
<v Sam>We will mention you on the show, we will ring a bell, we will send you a postcard,

02:09:56.370 --> 02:09:59.630
<v Sam>we will send you a mug, or importantly, at $2 a month or more,

02:09:59.830 --> 02:10:03.710
<v Sam>or if you just ask us, we will invite you to our curmudgeon's corner Slack.

02:10:04.740 --> 02:10:10.260
<v Sam>Where a bunch of us hang out and share links, talk about the news,

02:10:10.460 --> 02:10:14.120
<v Sam>talk about other things all through the week. It's lots of fun. The more the merrier.

02:10:14.460 --> 02:10:19.340
<v Sam>Please join us. We had one new person join this last week, but they haven't said anything yet.

02:10:19.860 --> 02:10:23.280
<v Sam>So I don't know, you know, but maybe they're lurking.

02:10:23.800 --> 02:10:25.320
<v Ivan>Yes, probably.

02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:29.300
<v Sam>So welcome, Monica, if you're also listening to the show.

02:10:30.200 --> 02:10:32.820
<v Ivan>Of course, we're saying it at the end, you know, at the end,

02:10:32.820 --> 02:10:35.480
<v Ivan>And, you know, tail ends of a really long.

02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:41.000
<v Sam>More boring show where we're just listing a whole bunch of things. But anyway.

02:10:43.400 --> 02:10:46.220
<v Sam>Yeah. So did you want to highlight something from the Slack?

02:10:47.180 --> 02:10:50.400
<v Ivan>Well, I did mention, because I don't think I mentioned this earlier,

02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:58.340
<v Ivan>that as I was driving to Orlando last week, navigation on Google Maps suggested

02:10:58.340 --> 02:11:00.280
<v Ivan>that I make a detour. Okay.

02:11:01.180 --> 02:11:07.200
<v Ivan>And the detour suggested that I go through 5.6 miles of unpaved road.

02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:08.560
<v Sam>Excellent.

02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:12.520
<v Ivan>In order to get to Orlando 23 minutes slower.

02:11:13.340 --> 02:11:16.780
<v Ivan>Not sure, really. And I looked up, I double-checked.

02:11:16.780 --> 02:11:17.480
<v Sam>Was it Roy?

02:11:18.040 --> 02:11:22.040
<v Ivan>No, it's not Roy. Roy is north of Orlando.

02:11:22.320 --> 02:11:28.420
<v Sam>For anybody who doesn't know, Yvonne and I did a trip together in the car.

02:11:28.700 --> 02:11:33.060
<v Sam>You can find it on ablesmay.com slash trip.

02:11:33.700 --> 02:11:33.880
<v Ivan>Right.

02:11:34.300 --> 02:11:37.800
<v Sam>I make sure I'm giving you correct information.

02:11:39.160 --> 02:11:46.800
<v Sam>Ablesmay.com slash trip. It is labeled as the non-random predecessor GPS trip

02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:54.020
<v Sam>where we did back roads from New Jersey to Miami Beach using a GPS in 1998.

02:11:54.020 --> 02:12:03.040
<v Ivan>Okay, let's be clear. This is in 1998. We used a Garmin GPS receiver hooked up with a laptop.

02:12:03.040 --> 02:12:07.560
<v Ivan>We also tried and we couldn't get to work. We were going to get with my cell

02:12:07.560 --> 02:12:11.260
<v Ivan>phone a data connection to see if we could upload.

02:12:11.440 --> 02:12:15.000
<v Ivan>We had a Connectix Quick Cam to see if we could connect it.

02:12:15.080 --> 02:12:18.900
<v Ivan>But the adapter that we got for the phone when we got there was the wrong.

02:12:18.980 --> 02:12:21.520
<v Ivan>They sent us the wrong damn adapter for the phone.

02:12:21.720 --> 02:12:26.300
<v Ivan>So we couldn't make that part work. But there are digital pictures there with

02:12:26.300 --> 02:12:31.160
<v Ivan>what is a terrible camera for today's standards.

02:12:31.300 --> 02:12:37.220
<v Ivan>But there was a digital camera back then and stuff. and we avoided any highways,

02:12:38.100 --> 02:12:43.060
<v Ivan>Toll routes. The whole purpose of the trip was to make it all the way down by

02:12:43.060 --> 02:12:48.040
<v Ivan>avoiding all major highways through there. And it was a very interesting trip.

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<v Ivan>We got a lot of things. And one of the things that happened is an incident that

02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:55.780
<v Ivan>happened with this so-called city of Roy, which it routed us through,

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<v Ivan>which looked, wow, look at this mapped out city.

02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:03.320
<v Ivan>And it was like swampland that somebody just mowed through and marked some streets somehow.

02:13:04.000 --> 02:13:08.880
<v Ivan>And we almost got stuck in the mud. I did go and like find Roy on the map.

02:13:09.120 --> 02:13:14.760
<v Ivan>I did see that they added some major roads around again, but it is still pretty

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<v Ivan>much swampland with a whole bunch of unpaved roads.

02:13:18.620 --> 02:13:23.000
<v Ivan>There are more houses there, but it's still pretty much the same.

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<v Sam>Excellent. I presume you've bought property there.

02:13:26.380 --> 02:13:27.440
<v Ivan>Yes, of course.

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<v Sam>Okay. That your story?

02:13:31.380 --> 02:13:31.520
<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay. Well, I think we're done. So thank you, everybody, for joining us again.

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<v Sam>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Have a great week.

02:13:38.860 --> 02:13:44.500
<v Sam>Hope you had a good set of holidays, spent some time with the family, all that kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>And we'll talk to you next time. Goodbye.

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<v Sam>Say goodbye, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Bye.

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<v Sam>Thank you. Okay, that's it. Thank you, Yvonne. We'll see you another time.

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<v Ivan>All right. Bye. Thank you.

