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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Tuesday, December 23rd, 2025.

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<v Sam>It's just after 18 UTC.

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<v Sam>And yeah, we're doing this only three days. Oh yeah, I'm Sam Mentor,

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<v Sam>Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi! How?

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<v Sam>And we're doing this only three days after recording our last show,

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<v Sam>because as we alluded to during our last show, we had some scheduling to figure out.

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<v Sam>so because of holiday schedules and

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<v Sam>all that kind of stuff we're recording one show

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<v Sam>it like you know we do one show per saturday to sunday week or no sunday to

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<v Sam>saturday week sunday to saturday week there we go let's say sunday to saturday

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<v Sam>and usually we record on thursday friday or saturday wait.

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<v Ivan>Wait wait no no it's monday through sunday week.

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<v Sam>No no no because you push it out You push it.

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<v Ivan>Out on Sunday.

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<v Sam>No, no, no. If we record one show every Sunday through Saturday week.

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<v Sam>When I push it out is an entirely different story. It is when we start the recording.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, but there is, we could technically record a show on Sunday.

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<v Sam>Yeah, but it would count for the Sunday week, not for the week that just ended.

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<v Ivan>I don't think you're right. And I believe that in the past we used to record on Sundays.

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<v Sam>We did. We did. But when we shifted, I made sure the weeks were correct.

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<v Sam>We have done one show per every Sunday to Saturday week since we started.

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<v Sam>So I have been very meticulous about this. Every Sunday through Saturday.

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<v Ivan>So you mean to tell me that when we switched, because when we switched the days,

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<v Ivan>when we went from Sunday and started recording, that was to you,

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<v Ivan>it counted as later in the week, not earlier.

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<v Sam>Yes, that is correct.

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<v Ivan>Okay, I will say that I have not gone through and counted, so I trust your—

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<v Ivan>And there was never— I trust you.

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<v Ivan>I know math isn't your strong suit, but tracking this kind of shit is.

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<v Sam>We have never done a Sunday through Saturday with two shows,

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<v Sam>and we have never done a Sunday through Saturday with zero shows.

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<v Sam>We have all and and importantly, this the measure is when the moment we start

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<v Sam>recording the beginning of the show,

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<v Sam>not when the show is released, because if you count when the show is released,

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<v Sam>what I just said was not true.

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<v Sam>If you count when the show was finished recording, what I said was not true.

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<v Ivan>I always kept thought about it based on release in my head.

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<v Sam>No, no. And I'm very careful. Like, the website orders things by the recording date.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>I mean, I list both the recording and release date, but, like,

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<v Sam>when I divide it into months and everything for the archive,

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<v Sam>it's by the recording date, not the release date.

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<v Sam>Okay. And because, you know, there have been circumstances where I have started

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<v Sam>the recording on set. And of course, these weeks are UTC weeks as well,

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<v Sam>of course, to, you know, to be clear.

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<v Ivan>Well, that's, I mean, consistent. We've got people listening into a lot of different places. So, you know.

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<v Sam>But there have been weeks where I have started the recording on Saturday at

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<v Sam>the very end of the day UTC and then continued recording.

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<v Sam>Like when I don't have a guest when I'm doing a solo show, I spread the recording

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<v Sam>out. So I have started the recording on Saturday, done more recording on Sunday,

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<v Sam>and even continued recording onto Monday, and then released the damn show on Tuesday.

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<v Sam>But that still counts as the show from the Sunday to Saturday week that had

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<v Sam>ended before I released it.

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<v Ivan>Okay, well.

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<v Sam>So anyway, the point is, because of scheduling,

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<v Sam>the show for the December 21st through December 27th week is being recorded

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<v Sam>now on Tuesday the 23rd, and it's going to be a normal show, normal show.

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<v Sam>And then the show for the December 28th through January 3rd will be the last.

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<v Sam>We will do that on the 31st.

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<v Sam>On Wednesday the 31st. And that will be our prediction show.

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<v Sam>Now, to be clear, that's the last show we are recording in 2025.

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<v Sam>It will not come out till 2026. I will probably get that thing out somewhere on New Year's Day.

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<v Sam>Unless I'm delayed, in which case it may be later. And then finally,

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<v Sam>the January 4th to January 10th week, we are going to record on Sunday the 4th,

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<v Sam>and that will be the third week, and that will be the review show of our 2025 predictions.

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<v Sam>So that is the plan for the next few weeks. Those are the dates we're going to record.

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<v Sam>I generally get it out one to two days. I usually get it out within 48 hours

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<v Sam>of recording, but, you know, things sometimes happen.

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<v Sam>You know, but usually I get it out. I try, you know, in my ideal world.

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<v Sam>I get it out, like, the same day we record it. But that often doesn't happen.

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<v Sam>So, anyway, that's our plan. And, you know, and given that we've only had three

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<v Sam>days since our last show, like, there's not a lot of new stuff that we have

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<v Sam>added to our list of things to talk about.

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<v Sam>I got a couple movies, of course, and we have had a few news items happen.

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<v Ivan>We have had a few news items happen.

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<v Sam>Yeah, we have. We have.

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<v Ivan>So, you know, it's not like we have a dearth of content like right now,

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<v Ivan>you know, things happened.

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<v Ivan>So, I mean, on Friday, we just had the release of the Epstein files.

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<v Ivan>We've gotten more stuff on that, for example, and other stuff.

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<v Ivan>We'll go cover that in the news. But once again, my pet peeve strikes again.

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<v Sam>Oh, no. Pet peeve.

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<v Ivan>Dammit, this thing with no spare tires on new cars.

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<v Ivan>My wife had a doctor's appointment this morning early, a recheck on her Achilles

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<v Ivan>tendon surgery, okay, that she had from last year, okay?

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<v Ivan>Because, you know, so she had an appointment early this morning,

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<v Ivan>and when she leaves the appointment, she calls me up, hey, I think I got flat.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, what? Now, this car is not five months old, okay? Okay,

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<v Ivan>yep. And I'm like, what the hell?

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<v Ivan>I'm like, now, one thing is that this car, okay, all new cars have TPMS in some way.

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<v Ivan>But I've learned that there are two methods of tire, TPMS starts for tire pressure

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<v Ivan>monitoring system. Okay, okay.

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<v Sam>I was like, what the hell is that acronym? Okay.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, okay. TPMS is tire pressure monitoring system. It's this little thing

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<v Ivan>that pops up in your dashboard in the simplest cases that shows this little

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<v Ivan>tire and a warning, you know, to try to indicate to you that you've got a problem with a tire.

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<v Ivan>OK, now, the one thing is that there are simple to complicated systems.

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<v Ivan>OK, so there's not one universal implementation of this.

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<v Ivan>Some cars, all you get is the little icon on the dashboard, and it doesn't really

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<v Ivan>tell you which tire is low or by how much. OK, so it doesn't tell you that.

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<v Ivan>A further step is that some, okay, will go in a display, tell you which tire

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<v Ivan>it is, but there is no tire pressure sensor on the wheel.

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<v Ivan>So all it tells you, hey, it's low, this tire.

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<v Ivan>But at least you know which tire they're referring to, okay?

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<v Sam>But not like how much?

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<v Ivan>Not by how much. My understanding is that the way that that system works is related to sensors,

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<v Ivan>wheel speed sensors, and that it detects that there is something wrong with

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<v Ivan>that wheel, how it's moving, compared to a stored value that you do when you fill up the tires,

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<v Ivan>you hit the button for reset, you drive,

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<v Ivan>it records a measurement of the tires,

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<v Ivan>and then if later it the value of

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<v Ivan>how it's reading that differs it tells

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<v Ivan>you hey that tire has a problem but also again doesn't tell you how much the

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<v Ivan>tire pressure is low i find that system annoying okay and it's weird like which

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<v Ivan>car makers put that in or not i mean it's like you would think sometimes like

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<v Ivan>oh well the luxury cars would have the one with all the luxury cars would have

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<v Ivan>the one with the tire pressure,

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<v Ivan>but no, my Audi or my Volvo depend on that one, which tells you which tire it

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<v Ivan>is, but not the exact tire pressure.

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<v Ivan>Now, I've noticed that, for example, here's the weird thing. Volkswagen owns Audi.

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<v Ivan>In a regular run-of-the-mill Volkswagens I've had, it said the tire pressure

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<v Ivan>on the fucking tire, but not the Audi, which doesn't make any fucking sense, okay?

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<v Ivan>All right, I'm like, you know, wait, you took the luxury car,

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<v Ivan>you didn't put that on the cheaper one?

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<v Ivan>Now, thankfully, my wife's BMW not only gives you tire pressure,

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<v Ivan>but I can log in from the app and it'll show that information.

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<v Ivan>So lo and behold, at first when I logged in and hadn't updated,

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<v Ivan>I checked and I'm like, shit, yeah, you've got, the tire is super low.

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<v Ivan>It's like the normal reading is like 36 to 39 PSI, it had 16.

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<v Ivan>So I was like, here's a problem. Once again, there's no spare tire.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>She had to get towed to fucking BMW. There's no other way to fix this.

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<v Ivan>annoying. This is ridiculous. This is the worst fuck. And here's the other thing.

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<v Ivan>BMW used to, when they moved to removing spare tires, made a point to put run-flat

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<v Ivan>tires on all their cars for many years.

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<v Ivan>Many people bitched about the run-flat tires.

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<v Ivan>They said they ride harder, they're more expensive, whatever.

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<v Ivan>So for whatever the hell damn reason, They decide, ah, we'll stick non-run flat tires.

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<v Ivan>Nobody else is anyway. We were the only idiots doing it.

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<v Ivan>And we got shit from everybody for it. Yeah, well, great.

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<v Ivan>She had to call fucking tow to go for a fucking tire.

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<v Ivan>This is the biggest bullshit in autos ever.

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<v Ivan>I, you know, having to get towed for a fucking tire is so dumb.

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<v Sam>Let me ask, at this point, couldn't you have...

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<v Sam>Yeah, the people who do tires, couldn't they have the service where instead

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<v Sam>of towing you, they bring the new tire to you and do it? Like,

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<v Sam>you don't have a spare with you.

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<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, the answer is yes. Okay? And as a matter of fact,

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<v Ivan>I've had a mobile tire installer come and do tires at my house.

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<v Sam>Okay?

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<v Ivan>They come with this vehicle, the whole thing. They got the machine.

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<v Ivan>They got everything. They can ride on the spot. Boom, boom, boom.

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<v Ivan>Do the whole thing. But that's not very common.

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<v Ivan>It's complicated. It's expensive. It's a lot of equipment.

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<v Sam>Because you have to have the right kind of tires as well. You have to have the right...

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<v Ivan>Exactly. Yeah. Well, you probably, I think in this tire's case, you can repair it.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yep.

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<v Ivan>Whatever it was, was repairable. You didn't need to replace the tire.

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<v Ivan>But yeah, if it's a tire that needs full replacement, then you have to have

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<v Ivan>the inventory of the tire on board and you may not be able to get that.

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<v Ivan>So it takes a lay. So, but still, this is the greatest leap backwards in autos.

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<v Ivan>No spare tire. And, oh, yeah, we're not going to give you a run flat tires either

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<v Ivan>because people hate them for whatever reason.

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<v Sam>You could always buy your own spare tire and just put it in the trunk.

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<v Ivan>Yes, but that's quite a small trunk. So, basically, our trunk would be quite

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<v Ivan>useless. Now, I have heard.

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<v Sam>Just put it in the back seat instead.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yes, of course, because I never have passengers in the backseat.

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<v Ivan>Of course, why would I need the backseat either?

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<v Sam>Put it in the passenger seat up front?

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<v Ivan>Look, I have heard they sell this kit for some kind of like...

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<v Sam>Tie it to the roof.

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<v Ivan>That sounds lovely. Sounds like a great idea. By the way, they also do it because

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<v Ivan>of weight reduction. You know this, right?

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>It's so dumb. I want, you know, fucking cars.

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<v Ivan>If you're not going to have a fucking spare tire, you should be mandated to put run flat tires.

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<v Ivan>It's just the dumbest thing. I hate this.

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<v Sam>Okay, then.

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<v Ivan>So this morning, yeah, you know, she just, but literally, Sam,

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<v Ivan>this happened at 930 in the morning.

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<v Ivan>It took her three and a half hours to get this thing resolved.

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<v Sam>Very nice.

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<v Ivan>So, yeah. Again, I rant. I hate no spare tires.

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<v Sam>I understand. I mean, yeah.

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<v Sam>Look, I'll be honest. If I had a flat, I wouldn't want to be...

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<v Sam>I probably would call AAA over changing the tire myself.

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<v Ivan>But they would come in and change the tire for you right there.

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<v Sam>Exactly. Like, if you had one.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>And obviously, my new car doesn't have one either. I don't think my one before

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<v Sam>this had one. You know? It's just... I don't know.

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<v Ivan>But they would come over and fucking change the tire for you.

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<v Ivan>That's what they used to do when people didn't know how to change a spare tire.

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<v Ivan>And that got you going, like, real quick. You didn't have to be there for three

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<v Ivan>and a half hours to fucking, like, deal with the damn tire. Pain in my ass.

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<v Sam>Okay, you got anything else for this segment? Or should I jump right into it?

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<v Ivan>I will say that I, at changing spare tires, was pretty adept at it, okay?

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<v Ivan>I still remember this one time that I had this Honda Accord.

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<v Ivan>We were driving to the airport. I was driving to the airport to take a friend of mine.

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<v Ivan>And I had a flat on the way. And it's not like this was the pre-TSA days.

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<v Ivan>So it's not like we had, I was like, I built in like, it's not like I was heading

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<v Ivan>over there to drop them off like an hour and a half in advance or something.

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<v Ivan>No, we were going there tight on time.

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<v Ivan>I was able to pull over and change the tire in less than 10 minutes and get

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<v Ivan>to the airport without, without any issues.

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<v Ivan>I got it done in less than 10 minutes. Boom.

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<v Sam>I'm in, you know, I'm impressed, Mr. Bo.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. So, you know, I could do that. Fuck. you know anyway all right it's moving on sam movies.

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<v Sam>Movies well before movies i just want to mention one thing like the last few

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<v Sam>days since the last show i've been running an annoying fever in the afternoons

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<v Sam>and at night like no no i i am nearly 100 sure it is a uh a uti i.

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<v Ivan>Was gonna say Don't tell me you got kidney stones again.

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<v Sam>Well, it might be. I don't know. Like the symptoms are consistent whenever I,

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<v Sam>for those who haven't listened long enough, I have had recurrent kidney stones since I was 25 years old.

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<v Sam>Like, you know, like once a year, maybe something like that.

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<v Sam>Anyway, like it's consistent with that. Like a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Sam>I had some, some lower back pain that's consistent with where the kidneys are.

00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:58.100
<v Sam>and then a couple weeks after that I'll often get like,

00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:02.540
<v Sam>a UTI as the stone works its way out.

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<v Sam>But every once in a while, I'll have a UTI without and noticing that I've passed anything.

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<v Sam>But anyway, so like the last few days, I've been like spiking till like last

00:17:13.080 --> 00:17:16.760
<v Sam>night, like I was at 103.5 for a while.

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<v Ivan>Jesus Christ, I would have gone to the ER.

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<v Sam>I was like, we were considering it.

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<v Sam>We were like, if this doesn't go down, and, you know, I took some more ibuprofen.

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<v Sam>I drank a bunch of cold water.

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<v Sam>It went down a little bit and then started heading down. And then by the time

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<v Sam>I woke up in the morning, it was normal again, but it's inching its way back up now.

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<v Ivan>Okay, tip, tip.

00:17:42.040 --> 00:17:42.460
<v Sam>Yes, tip.

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<v Ivan>Acetaminophen is better for a fever than ibuprofen.

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<v Sam>I have heard such. It's just that's the one that I knew where the jar was.

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<v Ivan>Okay, well, you should go find the acetaminophen because it is better for a fever.

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<v Ivan>And by the way, you could take them concurrently, by the way.

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<v Sam>You don't have to. The other thing, though, is the fever is presumably doing its job.

00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:11.480
<v Sam>You reduce the fever in order for comfort.

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<v Ivan>What, you think you're heating off? That's not the way it works.

00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:22.740
<v Ivan>That's not the way it works. What the hell? You're listening to RFK Jr.

00:18:22.940 --> 00:18:27.380
<v Ivan>for fucking, you know, healing tips?

00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:30.140
<v Ivan>That's not the way it works. It's not like you're heating off,

00:18:30.260 --> 00:18:33.140
<v Ivan>killing the bacteria with the heat. No.

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<v Ivan>The fever is a sign of an infection that needs to be treated,

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<v Ivan>not the fever is killing the infection.

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<v Sam>Well, the fever is your body's immune response kicking into the antibiotics.

00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:53.440
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. The fever is a sign that your body is fighting something, okay?

00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:54.360
<v Sam>Right.

00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:59.620
<v Ivan>It's like your car is overheating. The overheating isn't fixing the engine.

00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:03.040
<v Ivan>It's a sign that there is something wrong with the engine.

00:19:03.040 --> 00:19:08.100
<v Sam>That's why I have to go to the auto parts store and try to put that like hose on.

00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:10.800
<v Ivan>Yes. Right.

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<v Sam>Anyway, I just want to mention.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Yes.

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<v Sam>Anyway, I just wanted to mention, I've kind of felt like crap the last few days.

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<v Sam>Like better in the mornings and then getting worse in the evenings.

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<v Ivan>You know, I'm surprised it's not the flu because my direct boss at the company

00:19:32.620 --> 00:19:34.540
<v Ivan>is in the hospital with the flu.

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<v Sam>Okay.

00:19:36.120 --> 00:19:42.780
<v Ivan>Okay. And our friend who is on the Slack, but come on, she's not listening.

00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:48.220
<v Ivan>You know, I know Kathy. I mean, you know, it's probably on her list of things to do.

00:19:48.340 --> 00:19:51.760
<v Ivan>Like it would be on your list of things to do and it will get to her list of

00:19:51.760 --> 00:19:53.760
<v Ivan>things to do by the time we die. Okay.

00:19:54.020 --> 00:19:56.020
<v Ivan>So Kathy also had the flu.

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<v Sam>Okay.

00:19:57.940 --> 00:20:04.660
<v Ivan>And this flu going around is bad. So if any of you have not gotten your flu shots, okay?

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<v Sam>I have gotten my flu shot. I got flu and COVID.

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<v Ivan>I highly recommend that you go get them because this flu going around right now is bad.

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<v Sam>Okay. Very well. Anyway, you know, and yet there might be an, like,

00:20:18.800 --> 00:20:23.460
<v Sam>just like UTIs and, and kidney stones don't always come together,

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<v Sam>but like my personal pattern has always been that I end up with a UTI around

00:20:30.280 --> 00:20:33.520
<v Sam>the same time as I'm about to pass a kidney stone.

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<v Sam>But again, not always, who knows? Anyway, I've felt like crap and we probably,

00:20:40.600 --> 00:20:44.700
<v Sam>if it continues, I probably will make a trip to the doctor.

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<v Sam>Last night, we were like, okay, if it stays over 103, we'll go to the ER.

00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:57.340
<v Sam>If it goes over 104, we're not even, like, pausing. We're going straight to the ER.

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<v Sam>But it started going down again, and, you know, so anyway.

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<v Sam>Okay, movies. I just wanted to give that up. Not like anybody cares.

00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:08.920
<v Sam>That's probably TMI. Too much information.

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<v Sam>But you know it has been a part of my life the last three days I felt like you know,

00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:21.580
<v Sam>I had all these things that I wanted to do and I've

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<v Sam>ended up during the mornings and days I felt like okay I can still do stuff

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<v Sam>at my computer I'm not going to do like heavily physical things but I can still

00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:38.200
<v Sam>do stuff at my computer and then by the time I got to evening I felt,

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<v Sam>Bad enough that all I did was sit and watch TV with Alex.

00:21:44.380 --> 00:21:47.360
<v Sam>I was trying to remember his name. I was having trouble remembering his name.

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<v Ivan>You're doing great, Sam. You're doing awesome.

00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:56.600
<v Sam>I almost called him Chad. I almost called him Yvonne. And then I figured out, oh, yeah, it's Alex.

00:21:56.820 --> 00:21:59.460
<v Ivan>Chad? Chad? You what? You reached for Chad?

00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:01.200
<v Sam>I reached for Chad.

00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:08.460
<v Ivan>He kind of, you know what? He does remind me of Chad physically for some reason.

00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:10.320
<v Ivan>Someone we knew in college. Yes, yes, yes.

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<v Sam>Anyway.

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<v Sam>Movies. First movie. And this

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<v Sam>was watched in February 16th of this year is the 2023 movie named Wish.

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<v Sam>Have you heard of this movie?

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>Okay. It's an animated Disney movie.

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<v Sam>It is one that they put out as, it was like one of their, what was it?

00:22:41.930 --> 00:22:44.870
<v Sam>Was it Disney 100? Disney was 100 years old.

00:22:45.710 --> 00:22:48.150
<v Sam>Anyway, it was part of what they put out by that.

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<v Sam>And I'll give the first couple paragraphs, our first three paragraphs of the

00:22:55.050 --> 00:22:56.170
<v Sam>plot summary from Wikipedia.

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<v Sam>King Magnifico and his wife, Queen Amaya, established the kingdom of Rosas on

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<v Sam>an island in the Mediterranean Sea.

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<v Sam>Having studied sorcery, Magnifico is able to grant the greatest desires of his subjects,

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<v Sam>but they have to give up the memory of their wishes to be sealed away and protected

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<v Sam>by the king until he can grant them.

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<v Sam>Once a month, at a ceremonial event, Magnifico chooses one wish to be granted.

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<v Sam>Years later, 17-year-old Asha prepares to interview for the job of Magnifico's

00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:40.570
<v Sam>apprentice on the day of her grandfather Sabino's 100th birthday,

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<v Sam>hoping that Magnifico will grant Sabino's wish to inspire people.

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<v Sam>The interview goes well until Asha requests for Sabino's wish to be granted,

00:23:50.270 --> 00:23:56.530
<v Sam>which Magnifico declines, seeing the wish's elusiveness as a potential threat to his power.

00:23:56.910 --> 00:24:02.850
<v Sam>Asha realizes Magnifico never intends to return the ungranted wishes to their

00:24:02.850 --> 00:24:07.950
<v Sam>owners, and when she questions his methods, Magnifico refuses to accept her

00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:10.810
<v Sam>apprenticeship or grant any of her family's wishes.

00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:18.260
<v Sam>Asha tries but fails to convince Sabino and her mother Sakina that Magnifico is deceiving them.

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<v Sam>Distraught, she makes her own wish on a star, and to her surprise,

00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:24.540
<v Sam>the star descends from the sky

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<v Sam>in the form of an anthropomorphic ball of light, which Asha names Star.

00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:35.620
<v Sam>Star's magic gives the forest animals, including Asha's pet goat Valentino,

00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:40.020
<v Sam>the ability to talk, and they tell her that all life is made of stardust.

00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.180
<v Sam>Encouraged, Asha enlists Star's help in retrieving her family's wishes.

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<v Sam>Everyone in the kingdom senses Star's presence, and Magnifico feels intimidated by it.

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<v Sam>Despite Amaya's pleas, he turns to forbidden dark magic to maintain his position

00:24:55.120 --> 00:24:57.760
<v Sam>of power as his subjects begin to doubt his way of ruling. Dot,

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<v Sam>dot, dot. It continues. It continues.

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<v Sam>Bottom line, I'm going to give this one a thumb sideways. It was an entertaining movie.

00:25:07.060 --> 00:25:09.980
<v Sam>It was fine. It wasn't horrible.

00:25:10.460 --> 00:25:12.480
<v Sam>It wasn't too long. It's 95 minutes.

00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:17.560
<v Sam>But it was not memorable at all.

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<v Ivan>I had no idea this movie existed. I just had to look it up.

00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:27.560
<v Ivan>I completely blanked on apparently 2023 movies.

00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:31.260
<v Ivan>I had no clue it existed at all.

00:25:32.820 --> 00:25:38.080
<v Ivan>I just heard about it. I just looked it up. I saw that a lot of people didn't like it either.

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Sam>Mm hmm.

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<v Ivan>So this is a rare Disney flop because most Disney, you know,

00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.740
<v Ivan>Disney has a good record of making this kind of movies that people like.

00:25:48.840 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Ivan>And this was this was a flop.

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<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, it, and like I said, it wasn't bad.

00:25:56.390 --> 00:26:02.870
<v Sam>It just wasn't memorable. It's like, okay, it's generic animated,

00:26:02.890 --> 00:26:10.250
<v Sam>you know, sort of standard story that proceeds in the ways you would expect it to proceed.

00:26:11.190 --> 00:26:17.310
<v Sam>And so, yeah, I mean, I don't regret watching it or anything, but you know,

00:26:18.810 --> 00:26:25.370
<v Sam>You know, when this came up on my list, as the next one I was going to talk

00:26:25.370 --> 00:26:31.150
<v Sam>about, I could not for the life of me remember what the hell it was about until

00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:32.850
<v Sam>I looked up the Wikipedia page.

00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:36.810
<v Sam>And in fact, I believe...

00:26:36.810 --> 00:26:40.510
<v Ivan>That's a bad, bad, bad, bad sign.

00:26:40.850 --> 00:26:46.070
<v Sam>And I believe I had it confused in my head with another movie. You know?

00:26:47.770 --> 00:26:54.890
<v Sam>that's not good now it was nominated for a few awards but I don't think it won

00:26:54.890 --> 00:26:59.410
<v Sam>any well there's a section on what let's see yeah but.

00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:01.390
<v Ivan>Let's see what the awards are because.

00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:01.930
<v Sam>They may not.

00:27:01.930 --> 00:27:03.990
<v Ivan>Be about the plot or anything could be.

00:27:03.990 --> 00:27:12.550
<v Sam>The most notable one I think is Golden Globe for best animated feature it was

00:27:12.550 --> 00:27:15.590
<v Sam>nominated it did not win I guess my.

00:27:15.590 --> 00:27:23.310
<v Ivan>Question is was 2023, given the pandemic, a year where very few of these got released.

00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:24.610
<v Sam>Maybe.

00:27:25.270 --> 00:27:30.150
<v Ivan>Yeah, so it's like, hey, you know, if you, hey, we were in the top three.

00:27:30.870 --> 00:27:33.650
<v Ivan>Well, there are only three, so what the fuck, you know?

00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.660
<v Ivan>I mean, that's not really great, you know, when that's the case.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:48.740
<v Sam>It was nominated for Best Animated Female by the Alliance of Women Film Journalists. Best voiceover.

00:27:48.820 --> 00:27:52.700
<v Ivan>That's a group that I'm always, like, looking for, you know,

00:27:52.820 --> 00:27:59.280
<v Ivan>their annual rankings. I know there's watch parties for when they release those, I'm sure.

00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:06.380
<v Sam>Best voiceover performance by the Astra Film Awards. Best Original Song by Astrofilm Awards, too.

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.760
<v Sam>Outstanding Voice Performance by Black Real Awards.

00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:16.080
<v Sam>Best Animated Feature by the Critics' Choice Movie Awards. Best Song by the

00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Sam>Critics' Choice Movie Awards. I mentioned the Golden Globes.

00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Sam>Best Original Song in an Animated Film by Hollywood Music and Media Awards.

00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:28.660
<v Sam>Emerging Technology Award by the Visual Effects Society. and,

00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:36.820
<v Sam>importantly, favorite female voice from an animated movie by the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards.

00:28:37.340 --> 00:28:38.600
<v Ivan>Okay, well, that one...

00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:42.060
<v Sam>It was nominated for all of those and did not win any of them.

00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.420
<v Ivan>I mean, that's not a terrible one. Okay.

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Ivan>You know, I'm looking at the list of what were the top movies from 2023 animated,

00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.840
<v Ivan>and I will tell you that it's not a memorable list.

00:28:58.420 --> 00:28:58.980
<v Sam>Okay.

00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:00.100
<v Ivan>Which is what I suspect.

00:29:00.100 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Sam>Tell me the rest. I don't have this.

00:29:02.620 --> 00:29:08.360
<v Ivan>So, box office hits. The Super Mario Brothers movie, which I keep forgetting existed.

00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Sam>Apparently people really liked that.

00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:16.700
<v Ivan>Yeah, so that was the biggest hit. But it's not a movie that I see that,

00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:23.890
<v Ivan>You know, there's these big animated movies that have this cultural resonance,

00:29:23.890 --> 00:29:26.950
<v Ivan>like Frozen, for example, and some others like that.

00:29:27.370 --> 00:29:31.910
<v Ivan>I don't think the Super Mario Brothers movie is one of those. Okay.

00:29:33.030 --> 00:29:38.350
<v Ivan>It's not like that. Elemental was the second one. That was a Pixar one.

00:29:38.510 --> 00:29:38.690
<v Sam>I think.

00:29:38.870 --> 00:29:43.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, that was a Pixar one. And that also, people considered that it wasn't, well, that's the thing.

00:29:44.090 --> 00:29:47.650
<v Ivan>People considered that it wasn't like a great movie. Then the Teenage Mutant

00:29:47.650 --> 00:29:53.770
<v Ivan>Ninja Turtles movie, Zazoom, Chicken Run, Dawn of the Nugget, and Blue Giant.

00:29:54.850 --> 00:30:02.490
<v Ivan>Basically, not a list of movies that—I just read all those to you,

00:30:02.570 --> 00:30:04.730
<v Ivan>and you were like, huh, that happened?

00:30:05.750 --> 00:30:09.210
<v Ivan>Not a great year for animated movies.

00:30:09.530 --> 00:30:11.630
<v Sam>Probably not a great year for movies, period.

00:30:11.990 --> 00:30:15.010
<v Ivan>Period, yeah, probably, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:30:15.850 --> 00:30:25.570
<v Sam>Okay. So, ready for a giant tonal shift from the animated Fluffy Wish movie? Are you? Are you ready?

00:30:26.050 --> 00:30:28.850
<v Ivan>I'm ready. I'm prepared. I'm preparing.

00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:33.530
<v Sam>The next movie. 1993, Schindler's List.

00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:34.830
<v Ivan>Fuck.

00:30:36.910 --> 00:30:37.630
<v Ivan>Look.

00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:39.270
<v Sam>So, first of all.

00:30:39.270 --> 00:30:42.830
<v Ivan>I have the book over here, too. First of all.

00:30:42.830 --> 00:30:43.210
<v Sam>Let me just say this.

00:30:43.350 --> 00:30:49.170
<v Ivan>I watched that movie. Back in the year when it came out. It was released.

00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:49.810
<v Sam>Yes.

00:30:50.370 --> 00:30:54.390
<v Ivan>I haven't watched it again, not because it wasn't an excellent movie.

00:30:54.550 --> 00:30:58.330
<v Ivan>It was an excellent movie. It was made very well.

00:30:58.750 --> 00:31:04.110
<v Sam>And this, by the way, was on the AFI list number nine.

00:31:04.810 --> 00:31:06.350
<v Ivan>And deservedly so.

00:31:07.910 --> 00:31:12.050
<v Ivan>Deservedly so. But it's quite a depressing movie.

00:31:12.570 --> 00:31:13.210
<v Sam>Yes.

00:31:13.430 --> 00:31:17.990
<v Ivan>It's not. You remember we were talking about last week about how they fucked

00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:24.090
<v Ivan>up the ending of that Wall Street Money Never Sleeps movie by making it a Hollywood ending.

00:31:24.350 --> 00:31:30.470
<v Ivan>Let me guarantee you something for those of you that don't know or haven't watched Schindler's List.

00:31:30.810 --> 00:31:33.110
<v Ivan>It doesn't have a Hollywood ending.

00:31:33.110 --> 00:31:38.150
<v Sam>First of all, if you haven't watched Schindler's List, go watch it.

00:31:38.410 --> 00:31:39.330
<v Ivan>Go watch it.

00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:46.890
<v Ivan>The one thing, of course, that you bring up this movie, as we now have this

00:31:46.890 --> 00:31:52.390
<v Ivan>revival of people really glorifying Nazis.

00:31:52.390 --> 00:32:01.210
<v Ivan>is and literally trying to imitate many of the worst things of it in many ways,

00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:05.210
<v Ivan>including our government directly with how it's treating immigrants. Okay.

00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:10.750
<v Ivan>After, of course, you know, we've had this whole 60 minutes saga related to

00:32:10.750 --> 00:32:13.770
<v Ivan>specifically one of those things. Yeah.

00:32:14.110 --> 00:32:15.830
<v Sam>I mean, we may talk about that later. Yeah.

00:32:16.590 --> 00:32:17.210
<v Ivan>And. Yeah.

00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:23.770
<v Ivan>You know, people just, I don't know, people forget history. It doesn't matter

00:32:23.770 --> 00:32:25.430
<v Ivan>how brutal it was. They always forget it.

00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:29.170
<v Ivan>They always just fucking forget it. You know?

00:32:29.610 --> 00:32:33.670
<v Sam>So, first of all, big thumbs up for Schindler's List.

00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:37.870
<v Sam>Like you said, excellent movie deserves its place.

00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:45.110
<v Sam>But watching this once every 20 years is probably enough for me.

00:32:45.530 --> 00:32:49.810
<v Ivan>Yeah. I don't have the strength to watch that movie again.

00:32:50.090 --> 00:32:55.230
<v Sam>I mean, I am tearing up just talking about it like I am now.

00:32:55.750 --> 00:32:58.870
<v Sam>Without, like, getting into the details of anything that happened.

00:32:59.950 --> 00:33:03.670
<v Sam>So, I won't read the whole Wikipedia plot summary or anything like that.

00:33:03.850 --> 00:33:07.690
<v Sam>But just at a high level, this is a Holocaust movie.

00:33:07.950 --> 00:33:10.230
<v Sam>It is about, you know.

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:18.260
<v Sam>Jews getting rounded up during World War II and sent to the death camps and

00:33:18.260 --> 00:33:19.600
<v Sam>all of this kind of stuff.

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Sam>Schindler was an industrialist who ended up basically providing cover to keep

00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.600
<v Sam>a whole bunch of people safe.

00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:39.040
<v Sam>And it goes through how he did that, what he did, and that whole thing.

00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Sam>And you see, they don't shy away from the violence of what was going on.

00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.780
<v Sam>And, you know, there's a certain point, you know, there are parts of the movies

00:33:53.780 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Sam>where things seem to be going almost normally. You see the guy going around, he's doing the thing.

00:33:58.840 --> 00:34:04.620
<v Sam>And then, you know, you got the Nazis, like, arbitrarily shooting people, torturing people.

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:13.300
<v Sam>very famously there's one one girl who like there's like there's segments where

00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Sam>everything's in black and white except one girl's dress is in red,

00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:22.700
<v Sam>and you see her doing stuff and then later you see her body.

00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Ivan>All right, let's not keep going on the plot.

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Sam>It's just, it's a devastating movie.

00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:40.500
<v Ivan>Yes. I don't know how the hell Steven Spielberg was able to finish making that damn movie.

00:34:42.120 --> 00:34:43.780
<v Sam>But it's an important movie.

00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:49.540
<v Ivan>Oh, no, no, no. But I agree. I'm talking more about the emotional fortitude

00:34:49.540 --> 00:34:54.120
<v Ivan>to go through that is what I'm referring to.

00:34:54.660 --> 00:34:59.700
<v Ivan>And by the way, I'll make a somewhat small, funny aside.

00:35:00.100 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Sam>Okay. Let's lighten it up.

00:35:02.600 --> 00:35:06.520
<v Ivan>Lighten it up. Because, you know, people don't realize that Liam Neeson was

00:35:06.520 --> 00:35:12.020
<v Ivan>the star of that movie and that Liam Neeson was, this is the kind of movies that he used to make.

00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:19.020
<v Ivan>And then you tell people that, well, I never imagined Liam Neeson as a younger

00:35:19.020 --> 00:35:21.460
<v Ivan>people, some kind of action star.

00:35:21.680 --> 00:35:26.260
<v Ivan>And I'm like, what are you talking about? He's always, no, no,

00:35:27.060 --> 00:35:31.160
<v Ivan>this is the kind, this is what we do Liam Neeson kind of movies for making,

00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.160
<v Ivan>making that kind of movie.

00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Ivan>Not being like James Bond, like, I don't know, some kind of like,

00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:44.640
<v Ivan>you know, secret agent, you know, assassin guy. No.

00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:50.900
<v Sam>Yeah. And also, in terms of, like, how did Steven Spielberg pull it off,

00:35:51.020 --> 00:35:53.960
<v Sam>he released two movies in 1993.

00:35:54.040 --> 00:35:56.300
<v Sam>This was one of them. You know what the other one was?

00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:57.680
<v Ivan>Saving Private Ryan.

00:35:58.040 --> 00:35:59.380
<v Sam>No, Jurassic Park.

00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:03.080
<v Ivan>Oh, Jurassic Park. Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:08.240
<v Sam>So, you know, they were both released in 1993. You know, at least in part,

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.180
<v Sam>they had to be overlapping working on them.

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.720
<v Sam>So can you imagine, like, in the morning, you're working in Jurassic Park,

00:36:13.900 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Sam>dinosaurs, special effects.

00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.600
<v Sam>In the afternoon, oh, let's flip over to Schindler's List.

00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:26.860
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ. Talk about, you know, maybe, you know, I haven't seen him in an

00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:28.620
<v Ivan>interview asked about that.

00:36:28.780 --> 00:36:31.300
<v Ivan>I'm going to guess that it was probably a relief.

00:36:31.640 --> 00:36:35.500
<v Sam>It may have been. Now, I don't know the exact scheduling. Maybe he did a few

00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:38.040
<v Sam>months of one and a few months of the other, as opposed to, like,

00:36:38.560 --> 00:36:39.860
<v Sam>intermingling on a single day.

00:36:40.020 --> 00:36:42.600
<v Sam>But, like, but still, they were in close proximity.

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:45.720
<v Sam>Anyway.

00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:51.820
<v Ivan>I did mention that I did meet Steven Spielberg once, right?

00:36:52.180 --> 00:36:56.720
<v Sam>Oh, I don't think I remember this. Tell us about your encounter with Mr. Spielberg.

00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Ivan>Okay, my brief, brief, brief, brief encounter with Steven Spielberg. Okay.

00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Sam>Wasn't it an airport?

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:10.460
<v Ivan>No, it was not. At an airport. Come on. You think he, he travels private.

00:37:10.600 --> 00:37:13.120
<v Ivan>What are you, what are you doing? I don't travel private. What are you,

00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Ivan>what are you doing? No, it's not at an airport.

00:37:15.040 --> 00:37:18.500
<v Ivan>It was not at a restaurant, but it isn't a place where you would,

00:37:18.560 --> 00:37:23.600
<v Ivan>it was, I went back when I had, when I had a yacht.

00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:25.360
<v Sam>Was it at the premiere of one of your big movies?

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.040
<v Ivan>No, it was when I had a yacht that I went to this, this, this island,

00:37:30.180 --> 00:37:31.980
<v Ivan>the Bahamas. That's a very like,

00:37:32.990 --> 00:37:38.610
<v Ivan>It's an island that only people usually a lot richer than I do go,

00:37:38.730 --> 00:37:46.130
<v Ivan>but I was with the right captain that knew how to get to places, and he got us there.

00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:51.830
<v Ivan>When I got off the boat, well, yeah, that wasn't the boat. It's a yacht.

00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:59.110
<v Ivan>When I got off, and I was walking down the marina, Steven Spielberg was docked

00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:02.810
<v Ivan>near where I was, and we crossed paths walking.

00:38:03.410 --> 00:38:07.670
<v Ivan>past each other down the marina. That's how much I met Steven Spielberg.

00:38:07.850 --> 00:38:11.290
<v Ivan>I didn't even have the, I actually froze. I couldn't even say,

00:38:11.490 --> 00:38:16.430
<v Ivan>like, I think I may have said, I didn't recognize him. It took me a little bit like, oh, hi.

00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:18.870
<v Ivan>So I did say, I think he said hi to me too.

00:38:19.250 --> 00:38:21.690
<v Ivan>So I got Steven, Steven Spielberg said hi to me, Sam.

00:38:22.410 --> 00:38:24.090
<v Sam>Very good. Very good.

00:38:25.270 --> 00:38:29.370
<v Ivan>So that was my brief, brief, brief, brief, brief, brief meeting.

00:38:29.510 --> 00:38:33.530
<v Sam>So, so about what year was that? We can see like, Like which of his movies you inspired?

00:38:34.290 --> 00:38:34.410
<v Ivan>2006.

00:38:35.270 --> 00:38:36.930
<v Sam>Okay, 2006. So it's...

00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:37.750
<v Ivan>Summer of 2006.

00:38:38.170 --> 00:38:41.610
<v Sam>Well, that makes sense then. His next movie after that was Indiana Jones and

00:38:41.610 --> 00:38:43.110
<v Sam>the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:44.410
<v Ivan>Oh, there you go.

00:38:44.590 --> 00:38:45.670
<v Sam>Which clearly is all about you.

00:38:47.730 --> 00:38:50.370
<v Ivan>Because of your crystal skull. That's why that movie flopped.

00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:53.430
<v Ivan>That's why that movie was a disaster. Look, you see?

00:38:53.890 --> 00:38:58.350
<v Ivan>Who bumps into me and his movie producing skills go into the shitter.

00:38:58.510 --> 00:39:01.230
<v Ivan>Yes, this makes total sense. Absolutely.

00:39:02.170 --> 00:39:06.750
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ, that blew me shit. How could we go from like Jurassic Park and

00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:08.710
<v Ivan>Schindler's List to making that piece of shit?

00:39:11.700 --> 00:39:14.940
<v Sam>Anyway, reiterate, thumbs up for Schindler's List.

00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.820
<v Sam>If you have not watched it, you should watch it. If you watched it once in the

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:25.500
<v Sam>1990s like Yvonne did, it might be worth watching again. It is hard, though.

00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:29.380
<v Sam>It is not a fun movie at all.

00:39:29.600 --> 00:39:35.640
<v Sam>It is a hard, serious movie, but it is well worth watching.

00:39:36.120 --> 00:39:39.580
<v Sam>Like I said, I don't think I could stand to do it more than once every 20 years.

00:39:39.580 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Sam>But if it's been more than 20 years since you've seen it, or if you've never

00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Sam>seen it, go get, have yourself watch Schindler's List.

00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:53.740
<v Ivan>98% on Rotten Tomatoes. 93% liked this movie.

00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.580
<v Ivan>I guess the Nazis didn't like it, so that's why it didn't get 100%.

00:39:59.600 --> 00:40:00.120
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.980
<v Ivan>By the way, a budget, only $22 million.

00:40:06.740 --> 00:40:07.300
<v Sam>Right.

00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:12.940
<v Ivan>He made it on a shoestring comparatively to what movies cost.

00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:15.820
<v Ivan>Yeah. Anyway. All right.

00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:21.620
<v Sam>Yeah, and I have heard him interviewed about this being a movie that he felt he had to make.

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Ivan>To make, yeah. I definitely heard him say that. And he was right.

00:40:26.580 --> 00:40:32.040
<v Sam>Okay, let's take a break, and then we'll talk about newsy stuff. Back after this.

00:40:32.860 --> 00:40:35.860
<v Break>Okie dokie. Here it comes.

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:44.700
<v Break>Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. It's just my internet being stupid.

00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.100
<v Break>My internet being stupid is a new song we will make.

00:40:50.100 --> 00:41:22.020
<v Break>do you believe Come on, come on, come on.

00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:28.120
<v Break>I'm tired. What's wrong? I'm really tired.

00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:33.280
<v Break>It's amazing to get the show on the road. There's a road?

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.200
<v Break>There's a road? Oh my god, there's a road!

00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:41.180
<v Sam>Okay, we're back. So, Yvonne, where would you like to start?

00:41:41.560 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Ivan>Where would I like to start? Where would I like to start? Where would I like to start?

00:41:48.340 --> 00:41:48.820
<v Break>Ahhhh.

00:41:56.930 --> 00:42:04.250
<v Ivan>Let's talk about the more more the epstein shenanigans.

00:42:04.250 --> 00:42:09.110
<v Sam>Epstein shenanigans okay how so hey.

00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:12.130
<v Ivan>Hey sam how's that redaction process going.

00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:20.690
<v Sam>So they have again screwed up in the way everybody knows redactions can screw up.

00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:26.430
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sam, Sam, I'm sorry.

00:42:26.830 --> 00:42:32.690
<v Ivan>If you have competent people doing redacting, okay, okay, all right,

00:42:32.930 --> 00:42:34.230
<v Ivan>there is no screwing it up.

00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:39.230
<v Ivan>You can't, you don't, you don't screw up redactions. You just have people that

00:42:39.230 --> 00:42:46.490
<v Ivan>have no idea, that have no idea how to redact.

00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:54.580
<v Sam>Yes, well, although I've heard people speculate that maybe it's people who are

00:42:54.580 --> 00:42:56.100
<v Sam>intentionally doing this.

00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:59.460
<v Ivan>Okay, that could be, but no, but I've seen them, no, no, no,

00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.380
<v Ivan>but I've already seen them do this in the past.

00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:11.340
<v Ivan>They keep hiring people to do shit where they have no idea how to do redactions, okay?

00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.160
<v Ivan>and they i can't remember which documents they they've done before they were

00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:20.860
<v Ivan>supposed to be redacted and they did the same thing and when people don't know

00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:24.940
<v Ivan>what redaction is they keep thinking is oh we just go in a pdf and we just mark

00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:31.700
<v Ivan>it in black right not realizing that if that's what you do that's removable so.

00:43:31.700 --> 00:43:36.260
<v Sam>To be clear the what people discovered because of course people checked for

00:43:36.260 --> 00:43:41.640
<v Sam>this, is that on a subset of the documents, so some of them were redacted correctly,

00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Sam>even a majority of them were were redacted correctly.

00:43:45.700 --> 00:43:51.240
<v Sam>But on a subset of them, if you went into the document, into the PDF and,

00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:57.080
<v Sam>you know, did a select and copy paste into a new document, you would get the

00:43:57.080 --> 00:43:58.860
<v Sam>text that was under the black bars.

00:43:59.020 --> 00:44:03.460
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, because what what what's happening is, look, people are going and

00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:09.240
<v Ivan>like instead Instead of the redaction feature, okay, when you use it in,

00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:12.680
<v Ivan>when you use the redaction feature in most,

00:44:13.610 --> 00:44:20.930
<v Ivan>PDF tools or that you're using actually permanently removes that information from there.

00:44:21.110 --> 00:44:24.850
<v Ivan>OK, it's it's not reaccessible. You can't it's gone.

00:44:25.150 --> 00:44:29.450
<v Ivan>OK, the copy that you're sending out does not have the content there.

00:44:29.750 --> 00:44:32.070
<v Ivan>OK, there is no way to undo it.

00:44:32.610 --> 00:44:37.970
<v Ivan>OK, so what but what they are doing is because they don't understand that there

00:44:37.970 --> 00:44:41.110
<v Ivan>is such a redaction feature and they see redactions, people market in black,

00:44:41.290 --> 00:44:44.830
<v Ivan>they will go, oh, look, there's the paint tool. Let me paint this over in black.

00:44:45.030 --> 00:44:48.250
<v Ivan>Well, painting over in black and then sending the document means that I can

00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.370
<v Ivan>select that and delete and get rid of it.

00:44:51.170 --> 00:44:51.650
<v Sam>Right.

00:44:52.390 --> 00:44:57.670
<v Ivan>You're using highlighting instead of redaction. And that's what happens when you get stupid people.

00:44:58.130 --> 00:45:03.170
<v Sam>Now, from what I've heard, people have started to go through like,

00:45:04.410 --> 00:45:08.050
<v Sam>Is there anything significant under these redactions?

00:45:09.250 --> 00:45:14.410
<v Sam>And mostly, they haven't found any smoking guns or anything under redactions.

00:45:14.770 --> 00:45:23.170
<v Sam>However, other than them saying most of the redactions have nothing to do with

00:45:23.170 --> 00:45:24.530
<v Sam>protecting the victims.

00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:31.270
<v Sam>They are just embarrassing to other people, whatever, but have nothing to do

00:45:31.270 --> 00:45:36.110
<v Sam>with actually protecting the victims, which is the one thing that was authorized

00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:37.970
<v Sam>by the law for redaction.

00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:42.770
<v Sam>I mean, it was protecting victims, national security, and ongoing investigations,

00:45:42.770 --> 00:45:44.530
<v Sam>I believe, were the only three things.

00:45:45.750 --> 00:45:49.870
<v Sam>And basically, people found, like, this isn't any of those.

00:45:50.290 --> 00:45:54.250
<v Sam>And in some cases, they've actually found, even independent of the redaction

00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:00.290
<v Sam>error, they found that some of the things they'd redacted had actually already

00:46:00.290 --> 00:46:03.670
<v Sam>been released publicly in unredacted form.

00:46:04.930 --> 00:46:11.490
<v Sam>You know, so yes, they are once again showing their incompetence or, or again,

00:46:11.710 --> 00:46:18.650
<v Sam>there's like some sort of mole in the investigation who's like doing this intentionally

00:46:18.650 --> 00:46:22.870
<v Sam>with the precise idea that somebody will get through the redaction and,

00:46:22.870 --> 00:46:26.010
<v Sam>and see something, you know, but.

00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:31.350
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, no, no. And that's, you know, those are the two things that it could be.

00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:38.210
<v Ivan>I think that, but they also released stuff that they didn't want released that

00:46:38.210 --> 00:46:39.630
<v Ivan>then all of a sudden made disappear.

00:46:40.550 --> 00:46:44.890
<v Sam>Yes, and some of that's come back. They've done, some things disappeared,

00:46:44.890 --> 00:46:46.270
<v Sam>then some things came back.

00:46:46.590 --> 00:46:50.390
<v Sam>Sometimes they came back with different redaction. Oh yeah, after people like...

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:59.230
<v Ivan>It's after, listen, after they got discovered, oh, well, they put it back, Sam.

00:46:59.730 --> 00:47:05.190
<v Ivan>If it wasn't discovered, they wouldn't have. I mean, come on. Give me a break.

00:47:05.710 --> 00:47:10.710
<v Sam>And of course, people noticed instantly. And of course, people have made archival copies of all this.

00:47:10.870 --> 00:47:16.610
<v Sam>So like if they remove something after the fact, I'm sorry, it's already out.

00:47:16.830 --> 00:47:19.510
<v Sam>You already released it, you know.

00:47:20.750 --> 00:47:22.030
<v Sam>so yes,

00:47:24.610 --> 00:47:30.890
<v Sam>and it's it's just a they're showing their and of course all of this is late

00:47:30.890 --> 00:47:36.010
<v Sam>and not you know the requirement was on Friday they release everything they

00:47:36.010 --> 00:47:37.550
<v Sam>didn't release everything on

00:47:37.550 --> 00:47:42.630
<v Sam>Friday so far they've released three tranches the one on Friday with what.

00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:47.550
<v Ivan>The law ordered so far basically they've they have they have,

00:47:48.730 --> 00:47:57.590
<v Ivan>They have released Epstein stuff, but they didn't comply with what the law demanded in full.

00:47:57.850 --> 00:48:03.430
<v Sam>And a lot of the specific documents that people are waiting for have not come out yet.

00:48:03.590 --> 00:48:10.770
<v Sam>Like they interviews with with victims, for instance, the FBI interviewed notes

00:48:10.770 --> 00:48:14.770
<v Sam>because like the FBI like is archaic.

00:48:14.770 --> 00:48:18.990
<v Sam>They don't record their interviews. They don't take transcripts of their interviews.

00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:21.030
<v Sam>They just have an agent take notes.

00:48:22.170 --> 00:48:27.970
<v Sam>But they want the notes of those interviews, and the victims themselves have

00:48:27.970 --> 00:48:31.450
<v Sam>been clamoring for those with their names redacted, of course.

00:48:31.690 --> 00:48:34.310
<v Sam>But that has not come out yet.

00:48:34.690 --> 00:48:39.050
<v Sam>The three tranches were Friday, Saturday, and now there's one Tuesday,

00:48:39.050 --> 00:48:41.650
<v Sam>a few hours before we're recording.

00:48:42.010 --> 00:48:49.590
<v Sam>The most significant thing that's come out of the last one is a,

00:48:49.830 --> 00:48:55.390
<v Sam>and I'll be careful how I say this, because apparently there is some question

00:48:55.390 --> 00:49:01.790
<v Sam>as to its authenticity, that it hasn't been validated.

00:49:02.090 --> 00:49:11.630
<v Sam>There's a handwritten note that was apparently sent from Epstein to another sex offender.

00:49:11.930 --> 00:49:13.170
<v Ivan>Larry Nassar.

00:49:13.350 --> 00:49:17.670
<v Sam>Larry Nassar, whose name I don't remember, but I...

00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:23.310
<v Ivan>Larry Nassar was this... Well, Larry Nassar was this guy who...

00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:26.950
<v Ivan>Was the gymnastics team doctor.

00:49:26.950 --> 00:49:27.470
<v Sam>Oh, is that guy?

00:49:27.870 --> 00:49:37.790
<v Ivan>Yes. Okay. And it said, we shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies

00:49:37.790 --> 00:49:40.370
<v Ivan>and the hope they reached their full potential.

00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:45.050
<v Ivan>The letter also claimed that about our president and young girls.

00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:47.610
<v Sam>So let me.

00:49:47.610 --> 00:49:49.190
<v Ivan>Here, I got the note.

00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:51.710
<v Sam>I've got it up. Let me read it. Let me just read the whole thing.

00:49:52.010 --> 00:49:53.730
<v Ivan>You read the note because it's not very long.

00:49:54.170 --> 00:50:02.270
<v Sam>It's not very long. Dear L.N., As you know by now, I have taken the short route home.

00:50:02.490 --> 00:50:08.430
<v Sam>And by the way, this apparently was written right before the suicide. He committed suicide.

00:50:08.870 --> 00:50:14.750
<v Sam>And sent right after. So it was postmarked like two days after his suicide.

00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:19.110
<v Sam>I have taken the short route home. Good luck.

00:50:19.830 --> 00:50:25.110
<v Sam>We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies, and the hope they'd

00:50:25.110 --> 00:50:32.850
<v Sam>reach their full potential, our president also shares our love of young, nubile girls.

00:50:33.690 --> 00:50:40.730
<v Sam>When a young duty walked by, he loved to grab snatch,

00:50:42.230 --> 00:50:48.730
<v Sam>whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system.

00:50:49.050 --> 00:50:52.930
<v Sam>Life is unfair. Yours, Jay Epstein.

00:50:53.390 --> 00:50:58.430
<v Sam>Now, the controversy here is apparently like, this letter is in the files,

00:50:58.810 --> 00:51:06.410
<v Sam>but there's nothing authenticating, did Epstein really write this?

00:51:06.410 --> 00:51:10.310
<v Sam>Or did somebody else write something to try to set this up?

00:51:10.850 --> 00:51:15.410
<v Sam>Now, the other thing is, of course, even if Epstein wrote this,

00:51:15.690 --> 00:51:18.170
<v Sam>it's not proof of jack shit.

00:51:18.690 --> 00:51:22.970
<v Sam>You know, Epstein could say whatever he wanted, but it does not look good.

00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:31.430
<v Ivan>Yes, you're right, Sam. It's not proof. We don't have a smoking gun here. Okay.

00:51:32.270 --> 00:51:35.870
<v Ivan>But come on. Come on, man.

00:51:36.370 --> 00:51:38.530
<v Sam>Look, there is so much smoke here.

00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:43.750
<v Ivan>I mean, there's so much smoke that I need my oxygen mask.

00:51:43.750 --> 00:51:47.590
<v Sam>I mean, even without the stupid letter.

00:51:47.790 --> 00:51:57.370
<v Sam>I mean, it's been obvious Donald Trump is a sexual predator for his entire damn life.

00:51:57.530 --> 00:52:03.630
<v Sam>Now, whether or not that included going after young girls, slightly less clear.

00:52:03.790 --> 00:52:06.170
<v Sam>But there's been plenty of smoke around that, too.

00:52:06.450 --> 00:52:11.190
<v Sam>Wait, slightly less clear? The whole thing about him walking in on the models

00:52:11.190 --> 00:52:14.170
<v Sam>and saying that he could just walk in whenever he wanted.

00:52:14.730 --> 00:52:19.310
<v Ivan>The rape accusations, the repeated rape accusations.

00:52:19.630 --> 00:52:27.910
<v Sam>I know. Yeah. I mean, most of the public accusations against Donald Trump have been of legal adults.

00:52:28.410 --> 00:52:34.990
<v Sam>However, there was that one from right before the 2016 elections of the person

00:52:34.990 --> 00:52:37.530
<v Sam>who claimed that he raped her when she was 14.

00:52:37.550 --> 00:52:41.530
<v Sam>and there have been plenty of you know other.

00:52:41.530 --> 00:52:46.390
<v Ivan>There was something else in the recent release there was something related to

00:52:46.390 --> 00:52:50.470
<v Ivan>a conversation that I think that I saw that was overheard by somebody I mean

00:52:50.470 --> 00:52:56.830
<v Ivan>somebody saying specifically a young woman claiming specifically that that,

00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Ivan>that they were raped by Trump. But again, you know, yeah, here's the problem.

00:53:07.220 --> 00:53:10.720
<v Ivan>There's a preponderance of evidence, Sam.

00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.140
<v Sam>But not beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.760
<v Ivan>Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. I didn't say that.

00:53:18.020 --> 00:53:22.000
<v Ivan>I think it's beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:53:22.900 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Ivan>There is a preponderance.

00:53:25.380 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Ivan>Sam, there's just so much of it. I'm sorry. We are beyond that there is a doubt.

00:53:32.600 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Sam>The thing is, for a crime, it needs to be something specific,

00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.340
<v Sam>not just a general tendency. And like what I said...

00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.860
<v Ivan>A general tendency. Sam, I mean, you've had...

00:53:42.860 --> 00:53:49.780
<v Sam>Look, what I said a couple months ago on these Epstein files was that the likelihood,

00:53:49.780 --> 00:53:52.780
<v Sam>as far as I could tell, is, look,

00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:59.660
<v Sam>if there had been stuff in here that they felt was good enough for a prosecutable

00:53:59.660 --> 00:54:05.300
<v Sam>case against any of these men other than Epstein, they probably would have done it.

00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:09.340
<v Sam>I feel like they think there's not enough to make the legal case.

00:54:09.460 --> 00:54:15.220
<v Ivan>All right. I think that you are right in terms of meeting the legal threshold in a court of law.

00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Sam>Okay?

00:54:16.300 --> 00:54:21.120
<v Ivan>Because of how the evidence needs to be presented. But one of the things is

00:54:21.120 --> 00:54:24.380
<v Ivan>that Many times we have rules of evidence that make, you know,

00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:28.880
<v Ivan>certain cases far more difficult than what it is for an objective observer,

00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:33.520
<v Ivan>looking at all of the information that you're getting and what your conclusion is.

00:54:33.700 --> 00:54:40.080
<v Ivan>To me, if I'm just looking at this, not from the point of view of getting a

00:54:40.080 --> 00:54:44.580
<v Ivan>criminal conviction, which is a higher bar, okay, versus me going and looking

00:54:44.580 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Ivan>at this and seeing, hey, what does this tell me?

00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:49.940
<v Sam>Yes, I agree.

00:54:49.940 --> 00:54:56.100
<v Ivan>There is no objective observer that could come away to the conclusion that this

00:54:56.100 --> 00:55:00.920
<v Ivan>guy was not abusing underage girls.

00:55:02.030 --> 00:55:05.070
<v Ivan>Everything points towards it. And here's the worst thing.

00:55:06.090 --> 00:55:13.030
<v Ivan>The Justice Department is trying so hard to cover up shit in these documents,

00:55:13.670 --> 00:55:18.730
<v Ivan>that all they are communicating is it's bad for him.

00:55:19.310 --> 00:55:19.830
<v Sam>Yes.

00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:23.970
<v Ivan>With every action that they have done so far.

00:55:23.990 --> 00:55:27.010
<v Sam>Meanwhile, Bill Clinton has said, please release the rest. Release everything

00:55:27.010 --> 00:55:29.910
<v Sam>with my name in it. You don't have to redact my name.

00:55:30.070 --> 00:55:35.130
<v Sam>You don't have to do anything. Just release it because I have nothing to worry about.

00:55:36.630 --> 00:55:39.850
<v Ivan>And even if it was, apparently, he thinks that even if it was something that

00:55:39.850 --> 00:55:42.610
<v Ivan>maybe, like, didn't look good, it's not that bad.

00:55:42.990 --> 00:55:45.910
<v Ivan>Or at least something that might piss off Hillary right now.

00:55:46.050 --> 00:55:50.650
<v Ivan>Probably Hillary told him, for the love of God, dude, I already put up with

00:55:50.650 --> 00:55:53.470
<v Ivan>all this shit. Whatever. Tell him to fucking release it.

00:55:54.090 --> 00:56:01.670
<v Sam>Yes. Well, and also, like, you know, he's not doing anything else politically. He's just, you know.

00:56:02.250 --> 00:56:08.150
<v Ivan>But here's the other thing. If I remember, both Bill and Hillary studied law, right?

00:56:10.300 --> 00:56:15.680
<v Ivan>So, one thing that somebody like that does, especially in a situation like this,

00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Ivan>you don't make a statement like that unless you know the answer.

00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Ivan>You don't ask a question like that. Get something unless you know the answer.

00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:22.060
<v Sam>Right.

00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Ivan>So, they already know. They're like, fuck, we know. Fuck you.

00:56:26.740 --> 00:56:28.600
<v Ivan>You want to play games? Go release everything.

00:56:29.740 --> 00:56:32.500
<v Sam>Yeah. So, I don't know.

00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Sam>More to come, I guess. They're not done. They said they'd be trickling these

00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.580
<v Sam>things out over a few weeks. And I don't know.

00:56:40.680 --> 00:56:42.220
<v Ivan>Trump thinks it's over.

00:56:42.460 --> 00:56:45.420
<v Sam>Trump thinks it's over. He said, like, I don't know why they're still asking

00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:46.400
<v Sam>me questions about this.

00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:55.120
<v Sam>Look, and frankly, if you wanted to make it go away as quickly as possible,

00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:57.940
<v Sam>I don't see how stretching it out. Release it all in one shot?

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:00.480
<v Sam>Yeah. Like, how does stretching it out help?

00:57:00.620 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Ivan>Why would you be stretching it out?

00:57:03.520 --> 00:57:07.880
<v Sam>You want to delay the worst stuff for as long as possible. You're probably going

00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:11.980
<v Sam>to release it on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, or New Year's Eve.

00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:14.160
<v Ivan>This is going to be my Christmas present?

00:57:18.040 --> 00:57:18.560
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:57:19.660 --> 00:57:20.180
<v Ivan>Fuck.

00:57:20.680 --> 00:57:24.540
<v Sam>Because you're going to try to release it at a time when nobody's paying attention

00:57:24.540 --> 00:57:28.740
<v Sam>and hope that everybody forgets by the time they get back from vacation.

00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:32.600
<v Ivan>I see. Well, that makes a lot of sense.

00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:37.100
<v Sam>And meanwhile, they'll try to figure out better ways to redact.

00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.720
<v Ivan>But this is, you know, the whole thing with the redactions. This is what happens

00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:46.620
<v Ivan>every time to these idiots when what they do is,

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:53.960
<v Ivan>when you hire for loyalty instead of competence, this is what you get. Idiots.

00:57:54.940 --> 00:57:55.460
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:57:57.040 --> 00:58:00.200
<v Sam>Okay. You got any more on Epstein?

00:58:01.740 --> 00:58:02.140
<v Ivan>No.

00:58:02.860 --> 00:58:06.680
<v Sam>You got any more on anything you want to bring up before we take a break and I pick something?

00:58:07.240 --> 00:58:08.080
<v Ivan>Let's take a break.

00:58:08.620 --> 00:58:09.020
<v Sam>Okay.

00:58:09.600 --> 00:58:13.020
<v Ivan>Or I can bring up the, well, because I don't have any details on it.

00:58:13.120 --> 00:58:17.260
<v Ivan>I didn't really dive in deep because I must admit that I have been,

00:58:17.260 --> 00:58:22.700
<v Ivan>like, checked out from everything. I've been trying not to do shit the last few days.

00:58:23.180 --> 00:58:23.580
<v Sam>Yes.

00:58:23.580 --> 00:58:30.640
<v Ivan>They released a q3 gdp report like a couple of months late and the numbers are

00:58:30.640 --> 00:58:35.680
<v Ivan>incredible literally incredible sam they're not believable i.

00:58:35.680 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Sam>Heard this is the best growth the u.s has had in like forever or.

00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:46.500
<v Ivan>Something the numbers are literally not believable now tell me tell me what.

00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:47.500
<v Sam>Why what and why.

00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:53.400
<v Ivan>Well they they released it and said the gdp growth as as was at 4.3 percent OK,

00:58:54.200 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Ivan>and they said that this did not include like that, that, you know,

00:59:03.040 --> 00:59:06.020
<v Ivan>consumer spending was not a driver of this.

00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:11.040
<v Ivan>Now, once again, they said that the biggest driver was AI spending.

00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:20.020
<v Ivan>OK, but they said given what is going on with labor and everything else,

00:59:20.020 --> 00:59:23.120
<v Ivan>it's just not a believable report.

00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:29.940
<v Ivan>Because the one thing I thought that maybe could have pushed up spending, OK, was consumer.

00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:33.040
<v Ivan>But, you know, they said no, it's just.

00:59:35.380 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Ivan>It's not a believable number. And as many of these, you know,

00:59:39.080 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Ivan>right now, you can't believe our government's economic statistics.

00:59:44.160 --> 00:59:52.300
<v Ivan>We are at that point where our statistics are no better than those of a third-rate government.

00:59:53.260 --> 01:00:02.080
<v Sam>Right. Which, like, one of the things that has led to this country being an

01:00:02.080 --> 01:00:04.400
<v Sam>economic leader all over the world, et cetera,

01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.540
<v Sam>among other things, but is that you could trust stuff like this.

01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.440
<v Ivan>Yes. And right now we can't trust any of it.

01:00:11.740 --> 01:00:16.940
<v Sam>Because it's being manipulated for the political effect, or at the very least,

01:00:17.120 --> 01:00:24.940
<v Sam>there's enough uncertainty that you can't be sure it's not being. at the very least.

01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:32.100
<v Ivan>A Fed governor recently stated, you know, that numbers were distorted due to

01:00:32.100 --> 01:00:36.800
<v Ivan>many one-time items and things that they put in that usually they will call

01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.900
<v Ivan>out in order to show what the true numbers are.

01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:46.500
<v Ivan>So it's just, you know, I don't believe the number.

01:00:46.660 --> 01:00:52.300
<v Ivan>Given what's going on with jobs and hiring and whatever, what they are saying

01:00:52.300 --> 01:00:54.860
<v Ivan>versus what is happening in the labor market.

01:00:55.220 --> 01:00:57.340
<v Sam>And it was multiple months late anyway.

01:00:57.680 --> 01:01:02.020
<v Ivan>And it was multiple months late. Anyway, they don't not, they are not,

01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Ivan>the data is not jiving. It just isn't.

01:01:07.790 --> 01:01:13.410
<v Sam>So, I don't know, what do you think? If you can't trust the numbers, you can't trust.

01:01:13.550 --> 01:01:18.170
<v Sam>Are there alternate sources of this kind of information that are more trustworthy

01:01:18.170 --> 01:01:21.350
<v Sam>from the private sector? Like, what do we think is really going on?

01:01:21.950 --> 01:01:25.570
<v Ivan>Well, we know what is going on.

01:01:25.750 --> 01:01:30.250
<v Ivan>We know the one thing is that we know that the labor market is stagnant because

01:01:30.250 --> 01:01:34.190
<v Ivan>we know that from private sector data. So we know that.

01:01:34.350 --> 01:01:36.570
<v Ivan>We know that wages are not growing.

01:01:37.110 --> 01:01:41.530
<v Ivan>And if the economy was expanding at such a rate, you wouldn't be getting that.

01:01:42.450 --> 01:01:47.390
<v Ivan>This is not compatible with that picture that's happening in the labor market.

01:01:47.550 --> 01:01:49.330
<v Ivan>There's a huge disconnect there.

01:01:50.290 --> 01:01:51.030
<v Sam>That's.

01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:58.350
<v Ivan>That i mean there there is your disconnect they just don't they the labor market

01:01:58.350 --> 01:02:00.410
<v Ivan>and that data don't agree.

01:02:00.410 --> 01:02:08.230
<v Sam>Okay so you do not believe that this is a huge growth quarter because i mean

01:02:08.230 --> 01:02:12.730
<v Sam>everybody else has been saying we've got all sorts of flashing red lights that

01:02:12.730 --> 01:02:16.650
<v Sam>we are heading into recession or maybe already are in one.

01:02:17.010 --> 01:02:17.410
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:02:17.430 --> 01:02:20.890
<v Sam>And this is like completely the opposite direction of that.

01:02:20.990 --> 01:02:24.770
<v Ivan>Exactly. There are so many other indicators that indicate the opposite thing.

01:02:25.610 --> 01:02:32.170
<v Ivan>Let me give you an example. Right now, auto loan defaults. Nerd records. Okay?

01:02:32.790 --> 01:02:35.050
<v Ivan>The labor market. That's bad.

01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:38.050
<v Ivan>Real estate. Residential real

01:02:38.050 --> 01:02:43.610
<v Ivan>estate. It's in the shitter. Commercial real estate is not doing great.

01:02:44.690 --> 01:02:52.010
<v Ivan>You know, you have all of these metrics that point towards bad, bad, bad, bad.

01:02:52.750 --> 01:02:56.970
<v Ivan>Oh, no, GDP is growing. You're like, how?

01:02:59.640 --> 01:03:06.200
<v Sam>So I just saw that the Department of Justice has responded to that letter that we read.

01:03:06.700 --> 01:03:12.860
<v Sam>What they've said so far, the Department of Justice is currently looking into

01:03:12.860 --> 01:03:18.060
<v Sam>the validity of this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar,

01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:20.720
<v Sam>and we will follow up as soon as possible.

01:03:20.980 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Sam>In the meantime, three facts stand out.

01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:29.980
<v Sam>Bullet. The postmark on the envelope is Virginia, not New York,

01:03:30.120 --> 01:03:32.060
<v Sam>where Jeffrey Epstein was jailed at the time.

01:03:32.900 --> 01:03:38.240
<v Sam>Bullet. The return address listed the wrong jail where Epstein was held and

01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:42.180
<v Sam>did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.

01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:48.140
<v Sam>Bullet. The envelope was processed three days after Epstein's death.

01:03:48.740 --> 01:03:50.200
<v Ivan>That doesn't mean anything.

01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Sam>So as i said like the question on that is like it was it really from epstein

01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:05.060
<v Sam>or did somebody like throw this it did somebody else make this up and it's.

01:04:05.060 --> 01:04:07.720
<v Ivan>A very simple thing you've got the handwriting go compare.

01:04:07.720 --> 01:04:08.480
<v Sam>Yeah go.

01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.340
<v Ivan>Do do the handwriting comparison start off with that.

01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:16.940
<v Sam>Yep i and that should and that should be easily resolved by third parties like

01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:18.520
<v Sam>you don't have to trust the DOJ.

01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:20.940
<v Sam>Somebody out there has got to have like actual...

01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Ivan>Yeah, we got the Epstein State Files. We got his handwriting.

01:04:24.100 --> 01:04:26.960
<v Ivan>Go compare it. See if that matches up.

01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:27.760
<v Sam>Right.

01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:28.500
<v Ivan>Start off with that.

01:04:29.340 --> 01:04:31.100
<v Sam>Okay. Shall we take a break?

01:04:32.670 --> 01:04:36.830
<v Sam>Okay, we're going to take this break and then I'll come back and spoilers,

01:04:37.150 --> 01:04:41.150
<v Sam>I'm going to do the 60 minutes Seacott story. Back after this.

01:04:41.790 --> 01:04:48.170
<v Break>You're supposed to say do do do. Do do do Alex Emzela.

01:04:49.690 --> 01:04:53.690
<v Break>Alex Emzela is awesome. Its videos are fun.

01:04:54.130 --> 01:05:00.470
<v Break>And today, once again, we have one of our most loyal subscribers here to tell

01:05:00.470 --> 01:05:02.110
<v Break>you how awesome Alex Emsola is.

01:05:02.430 --> 01:05:10.390
<v Break>I'd say on a rate from 1 to 10, Alex Emsola is awesome at, I don't know, 37, 82.

01:05:10.950 --> 01:05:16.070
<v Break>He's pretty radical. His videos are phenomenal. They're full of creativity.

01:05:16.490 --> 01:05:20.270
<v Break>And they're so funny and exciting to watch.

01:05:20.730 --> 01:05:26.690
<v Break>Wow, what happened to your voice then, Amy? Was that Dad pretending to be you

01:05:26.690 --> 01:05:33.290
<v Break>because the audio was distorted when it really wasn't because I told him to?

01:05:33.790 --> 01:05:37.430
<v Break>Yes. Good job on remembering, Dad.

01:05:38.130 --> 01:05:39.690
<v Break>Do, do, do!

01:05:40.550 --> 01:05:46.670
<v Sam>Okay, we are back. And so, 60 Minutes. Barry Weiss.

01:05:47.210 --> 01:05:49.390
<v Ivan>Did they handle that well, Sam?

01:05:49.390 --> 01:05:54.850
<v Sam>Them they handled it in about the worst way you could possibly handle it okay so here's the deal,

01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:03.500
<v Sam>For a while, the 60 Minutes reporting staff group, whatever it is,

01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:08.680
<v Sam>they had been working on a story on the conditions inside the Seacott prison,

01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:16.520
<v Sam>which is where the place in El Salvador where the administration had been.

01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:17.600
<v Ivan>By the way.

01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.180
<v Sam>I. No.

01:06:19.580 --> 01:06:20.300
<v Ivan>No.

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:27.620
<v Sam>I have not yet watched it. I watched something similar on Frontline a while

01:06:27.620 --> 01:06:30.700
<v Sam>ago, but no, I have not yet. Why not?

01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.740
<v Ivan>It's 15 minutes, not like three hours.

01:06:34.740 --> 01:06:39.080
<v Sam>I know it's 15 minutes. I promise I will watch it.

01:06:40.020 --> 01:06:43.260
<v Sam>So bottom line, they'd been working on this for a while.

01:06:44.160 --> 01:06:48.780
<v Sam>It had gone through all of the approval processes that it was supposed to go

01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:54.060
<v Sam>through, from legal, from standards and practices, from whatever.

01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:58.300
<v Ivan>And it was already announced that it was going to be on the next newscast.

01:06:58.420 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Sam>It was announced. There were promos running. There was all this kind of stuff.

01:07:02.700 --> 01:07:06.220
<v Sam>Three hours before the broadcast, Barry Weiss pulled it.

01:07:07.100 --> 01:07:10.580
<v Sam>She'd apparently previewed it a couple days earlier,

01:07:11.640 --> 01:07:17.400
<v Sam>but didn't pull it until three hours before, saying that basically there was

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:24.340
<v Sam>an inadequate amount of the administration's perspective in the story.

01:07:26.540 --> 01:07:32.580
<v Sam>And she said some things that were just not true in terms of it not including

01:07:32.580 --> 01:07:36.540
<v Sam>the administration's justification. They did include that.

01:07:37.560 --> 01:07:41.620
<v Sam>It may be not enough for her, but they included some of it. And,

01:07:41.620 --> 01:07:43.580
<v Sam>uh, and they had asked them for.

01:07:43.640 --> 01:07:48.920
<v Ivan>For, for, you know, you guys want to comment, you guys want to talk,

01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:52.020
<v Ivan>you guys want to send anybody to the interview and they refused.

01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:58.540
<v Sam>Correct. And so the excuse here is we're holding it for release at a later date

01:07:58.540 --> 01:08:02.500
<v Sam>so that we can do more reporting and we can get some of that kind of stuff.

01:08:02.660 --> 01:08:10.120
<v Sam>But the bottom line is if you follow that logic, then the administration basically has a veto.

01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:15.640
<v Ivan>Exactly. All they have to do is not answer any questions on any story out there

01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:18.260
<v Ivan>and they're just not going to publish them.

01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Sam>Well, and this is the thing. It's a preposterous standard.

01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:22.860
<v Ivan>People.

01:08:22.860 --> 01:08:27.540
<v Sam>Have speculated from the beginning that this is actually why Barry Weiss is

01:08:27.540 --> 01:08:37.120
<v Sam>there you know that she was well known worked at like a conservative online thing.

01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:42.400
<v Ivan>But there's one thing about it I'd read up where she was working at one thing

01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:47.180
<v Ivan>that I had read about her okay and read about the,

01:08:48.240 --> 01:08:54.620
<v Ivan>reporting at the place was that at least based on, they were pretty factual.

01:08:55.240 --> 01:09:01.280
<v Ivan>So whatever they published as stories, it was not the type of coverage where

01:09:01.280 --> 01:09:04.120
<v Ivan>you could say, oh, these people are just making up the news stories.

01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:11.200
<v Ivan>So they were factual. Okay, so I, you know, the one thing that I could see was

01:09:11.200 --> 01:09:13.640
<v Ivan>that there were certain specific areas,

01:09:14.240 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Ivan>more related to Israel than anything else where she had done a column in the

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.620
<v Ivan>New York Times and some other places that a lot of people vehemently disagreed with her.

01:09:25.900 --> 01:09:30.340
<v Ivan>That was pretty much it that I had read. There wasn't really much.

01:09:30.460 --> 01:09:37.700
<v Ivan>But the one thing that was very evident is she did not have the background or

01:09:37.700 --> 01:09:43.080
<v Ivan>experience in running such a large organization ever.

01:09:43.480 --> 01:09:50.360
<v Ivan>Like not even close. She had, she did not have the, she just didn't have the background at all.

01:09:52.590 --> 01:09:57.850
<v Ivan>And I think that it was telling that Scott Pelley went and said,

01:09:57.970 --> 01:10:00.670
<v Ivan>and he's been quoted as saying that this is not a part time job,

01:10:01.290 --> 01:10:10.570
<v Ivan>you know, because what it felt like was that she, as I've seen many managers do.

01:10:11.540 --> 01:10:13.800
<v Ivan>Was kind of like, you know, she's

01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:19.340
<v Ivan>been like meddling, but not involved in strategy and stuff or whatever.

01:10:19.660 --> 01:10:22.440
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden at the last minute, she caught something she didn't

01:10:22.440 --> 01:10:25.880
<v Ivan>like and then just arbitrarily pulled it without having been involved in the

01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.120
<v Ivan>process where she should have been.

01:10:28.860 --> 01:10:38.460
<v Sam>You know, I my from my understanding, like most of the criticism of Barry White. Barry White?

01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.600
<v Ivan>Barry White? You never.

01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:42.060
<v Sam>Barry White's a little bit different.

01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:47.080
<v Ivan>I mean, I think that, you know, that's a totally different subject.

01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:48.620
<v Ivan>We can cover Barry White.

01:10:48.700 --> 01:10:51.980
<v Sam>Totally different subject. Barry Weiss.

01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:58.580
<v Sam>I have certainly heard what you've been concentrating on, which is like inexperienced,

01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.680
<v Sam>doesn't know what she's doing, et cetera, et cetera.

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:09.120
<v Sam>But also very much like, look, she was brought in because of her political views as well.

01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:11.800
<v Ivan>I'll tell you the one thing CBS News.

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:17.580
<v Sam>But but to be more friendly to Republicans and more friendly to MAGA specifically.

01:11:17.980 --> 01:11:22.200
<v Ivan>But you know what? Listen, I think this can be done in many different ways.

01:11:22.200 --> 01:11:25.580
<v Ivan>If you think about it and I think that's the whole problem here,

01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:30.700
<v Ivan>because I think about, say, the Wall Street Journal. Right. OK.

01:11:31.220 --> 01:11:33.300
<v Ivan>Obviously, the owners are conservative. OK.

01:11:33.860 --> 01:11:36.260
<v Ivan>But the one thing that they don't fuck with is the facts.

01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:43.020
<v Sam>Well, the thing is that there there's a very—you can tell the conservative nature

01:11:43.020 --> 01:11:45.980
<v Sam>of the Wall Street Journal through the editorial page.

01:11:46.160 --> 01:11:46.320
<v Ivan>Right.

01:11:46.420 --> 01:11:48.680
<v Sam>But they, for the most part, leave the news alone.

01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.680
<v Ivan>And that's the point, right? And that's the thing.

01:11:51.980 --> 01:11:55.740
<v Sam>But it hasn't felt like that's what they're doing here. No, no.

01:11:55.900 --> 01:12:01.580
<v Ivan>She has been injecting opinion. She has been directly going and—,

01:12:02.460 --> 01:12:11.060
<v Ivan>Injecting what seems to be opinions into what's shaping the coverage of the news.

01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:14.000
<v Ivan>I actually I was seeing somebody yesterday in

01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:21.840
<v Ivan>the bulwark specifically saying that it feels like she got the job more because

01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:28.220
<v Ivan>the new owners really wanted to put somebody there that other people like because

01:12:28.220 --> 01:12:32.380
<v Ivan>they really didn't buy Paramount CBS for this.

01:12:33.260 --> 01:12:40.920
<v Ivan>they didn't really want this okay they wanted the movies they wanted the

01:12:41.320 --> 01:12:46.160
<v Ivan>entertainment that was the the part that they bought and this was yesterday

01:12:46.160 --> 01:12:49.700
<v Ivan>in the bull war I just caught this yesterday I said look when they're buying

01:12:49.700 --> 01:12:56.900
<v Ivan>this this is an extra thing that was like came with it that they really didn't

01:12:56.900 --> 01:13:00.120
<v Ivan>want it so they wanted to put somebody there who you know,

01:13:00.860 --> 01:13:05.120
<v Ivan>hey you know we need Washington to be happy with us let's just put somebody

01:13:05.120 --> 01:13:09.040
<v Ivan>there who keeps us happy and that's the name that they came up with.

01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:15.680
<v Sam>Well right and this is what a lot of I mean you've seen similar moves at CNN

01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Sam>um you know where it's what can we do to keep Donald Trump from getting.

01:13:25.740 --> 01:13:27.660
<v Ivan>Exactly. That's right.

01:13:41.410 --> 01:13:48.750
<v Sam>If at any moment in your thought process, the question, how do we keep from

01:13:48.750 --> 01:13:53.690
<v Sam>pissing off the president, is part of what you are doing,

01:13:54.350 --> 01:13:57.230
<v Sam>then you cannot do your job properly.

01:13:57.230 --> 01:14:01.230
<v Ivan>No, you can't. And, but,

01:14:01.450 --> 01:14:06.510
<v Ivan>you know, this entire thing goes back and several people actually brought up

01:14:06.510 --> 01:14:11.270
<v Ivan>that it's been almost like 30 years precisely to the day when CBS went through

01:14:11.270 --> 01:14:14.690
<v Ivan>the crisis that I had mentioned related to Jeffrey Weingand,

01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:17.810
<v Ivan>which is very aligned to a lot of what's going on right now.

01:14:17.810 --> 01:14:21.850
<v Sam>Because I've heard a couple of people mention it, but I don't remember it. So what was that?

01:14:22.190 --> 01:14:26.530
<v Ivan>Listen, this was the story related to Brown and Willis and Tobacco and the testimony

01:14:26.530 --> 01:14:31.730
<v Ivan>against the tobacco companies where the story was pulled in the same way.

01:14:31.890 --> 01:14:40.850
<v Ivan>And the reason was, by the way, a big part of it was because Westinghouse was

01:14:40.850 --> 01:14:45.810
<v Ivan>going to buy CBS from Larry Tish. Okay.

01:14:46.610 --> 01:14:49.250
<v Ivan>and they needed this story.

01:14:50.130 --> 01:14:54.990
<v Ivan>The thing is that there was all this litigation and this lawsuit and whatever

01:14:54.990 --> 01:15:01.450
<v Ivan>that could potentially involve a lot of money and they needed the litigation

01:15:01.450 --> 01:15:05.550
<v Ivan>to go away in order for the merger to close.

01:15:05.750 --> 01:15:11.430
<v Ivan>So even though it wasn't the government, there was a deal, there was a merger,

01:15:11.570 --> 01:15:14.770
<v Ivan>there was something happening and they just went, they said,

01:15:14.770 --> 01:15:18.290
<v Ivan>no, you know what, let's just, you know, let's just kill the story.

01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.860
<v Ivan>Over the, you know, similar, you know, back then they said the, the,

01:15:24.500 --> 01:15:30.240
<v Ivan>the, the, what legal went and said that it was because they thought that CBS

01:15:30.240 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Ivan>could be sued out of business for false accusations because there was a,

01:15:34.740 --> 01:15:37.240
<v Ivan>because Jeffrey Weigand had a non-disclosure agreement,

01:15:37.460 --> 01:15:45.080
<v Ivan>which he was violating in order to reveal that the tobacco executives at the time were lying.

01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:46.240
<v Sam>Right. Right.

01:15:47.470 --> 01:15:51.330
<v Ivan>And so it was a lot of a similar dynamic with this.

01:15:51.550 --> 01:15:55.510
<v Ivan>And by the way, the newsroom also revolted.

01:15:56.290 --> 01:16:04.070
<v Ivan>They rebelled the same way. And you've got this merger sitting out there right

01:16:04.070 --> 01:16:07.130
<v Ivan>now that they're trying to do again.

01:16:08.130 --> 01:16:15.050
<v Ivan>And you've got the president that has been meddling with all these media mergers now.

01:16:15.510 --> 01:16:16.250
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:16:16.250 --> 01:16:23.730
<v Ivan>And so they're all trying to just, you know, satisfy him like like right now because of this.

01:16:24.870 --> 01:16:27.770
<v Ivan>But this is what you get with. I mean,

01:16:27.930 --> 01:16:33.650
<v Ivan>this is the abuse of power that you've got like right now from a presidency

01:16:33.650 --> 01:16:41.970
<v Ivan>that is willing to to basically put their fingers into every aspect of business. which.

01:16:41.970 --> 01:16:48.730
<v Sam>Major news organizations at this point can you still mostly trust like.

01:16:48.730 --> 01:16:52.910
<v Ivan>Because i feel like bloomberg doesn't give a shit he's been like oh my god he's

01:16:52.910 --> 01:16:59.890
<v Ivan>been shitting on uh on trump like you know like with with no no qualms i.

01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:01.290
<v Sam>Know you're a big bloomberg fan.

01:17:01.290 --> 01:17:07.890
<v Ivan>But he's but but have you but they're not pulling any punches and like michael

01:17:07.890 --> 01:17:11.490
<v Ivan>bloomberg referred to him as like You know, what he said, you know,

01:17:11.570 --> 01:17:13.310
<v Ivan>I'm a real billionaire, not like Donald.

01:17:14.150 --> 01:17:14.630
<v Sam>Right.

01:17:15.010 --> 01:17:18.930
<v Ivan>So he could give a rat's ass if fucking Donald's gonna go after him.

01:17:19.290 --> 01:17:21.730
<v Sam>But like, I think this, this instant,

01:17:22.570 --> 01:17:26.310
<v Sam>Sort of is another nail in the coffin of CBS.

01:17:26.630 --> 01:17:31.970
<v Sam>It's like, okay, you know, I feel like you're going to end up with a lot of people leaving.

01:17:32.650 --> 01:17:34.910
<v Sam>You're good. And it's like, okay.

01:17:34.950 --> 01:17:39.430
<v Ivan>Here's the one thing. One thing about this was that Barry Weiss was put there

01:17:39.430 --> 01:17:42.690
<v Ivan>also in order to take care of things.

01:17:43.490 --> 01:17:48.730
<v Ivan>I have a feeling that she's going to wind up out of a job because of how clumsy

01:17:48.730 --> 01:17:50.170
<v Ivan>this whole thing was handled.

01:17:50.170 --> 01:17:53.230
<v Sam>Oh, because we didn't get to the point. Like, it was pulled from the U.S.

01:17:53.350 --> 01:17:57.970
<v Sam>broadcast. They neglected to pull it from international. So it aired in Canada.

01:17:58.470 --> 01:18:02.930
<v Sam>And then, of course, a lot of people ripped a copy off the airing in Canada

01:18:02.930 --> 01:18:05.250
<v Sam>and started distributing online.

01:18:06.230 --> 01:18:08.150
<v Sam>It's been a game of whack-a-mole.

01:18:08.150 --> 01:18:10.690
<v Ivan>60 Minutes, CBS sells this internationally.

01:18:11.010 --> 01:18:11.410
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah.

01:18:11.850 --> 01:18:15.990
<v Ivan>And so they had sold the story already, and they already had it ready to go,

01:18:16.010 --> 01:18:20.990
<v Ivan>you know, because there are 60 Minutes international newscasts in other places,

01:18:21.090 --> 01:18:22.670
<v Ivan>or 60 Minutes Australia, whatever.

01:18:22.870 --> 01:18:26.010
<v Ivan>So, yeah, so they had that, you know, yeah, they pulled the story in the U.S.,

01:18:26.010 --> 01:18:27.750
<v Ivan>but they already sold the fucking story.

01:18:28.450 --> 01:18:32.390
<v Sam>Yeah, so, and they didn't pull, they didn't bother to pull it internationally.

01:18:32.590 --> 01:18:37.050
<v Sam>I've seen speculation of, like, nobody bothered to tell Barry about that.

01:18:38.150 --> 01:18:44.670
<v Ivan>I'm sorry. You know what? You are the head of the news organization.

01:18:45.150 --> 01:18:49.170
<v Ivan>You have been the head for many months. You should know.

01:18:49.990 --> 01:18:56.470
<v Sam>Anyway, it's a bit of whack-a-mole because CBS is trying to get it removed from everybody who posts it.

01:18:57.230 --> 01:18:59.430
<v Sam>But it's not working.

01:19:00.190 --> 01:19:07.390
<v Sam>It is 100% Streisand effect here. In fact, I've seen people say this puts the

01:19:07.390 --> 01:19:09.350
<v Sam>original Streisand effect to shame.

01:19:09.810 --> 01:19:13.950
<v Sam>Like, so many more people have seen this than would have if she just left it alone.

01:19:14.230 --> 01:19:19.850
<v Ivan>Exactly. Listen, I guarantee you one thing. I would not have watched this if this didn't happen.

01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:25.220
<v Sam>Right. And so, look, it is Whack-A-Mole.

01:19:25.340 --> 01:19:29.560
<v Sam>They are taking them down sometimes, but it is widespread enough.

01:19:29.740 --> 01:19:33.560
<v Sam>And for every one they take down, there are three new ones that are put up.

01:19:33.700 --> 01:19:36.940
<v Sam>So if you want to see this, I am sure you can find it.

01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:37.580
<v Ivan>It is freely available.

01:19:38.020 --> 01:19:39.240
<v Sam>It's freely available.

01:19:39.340 --> 01:19:44.500
<v Ivan>I checked the link, the one I shared, and that one is working no problem.

01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:46.940
<v Ivan>I checked right before the start of the podcast.

01:19:46.940 --> 01:19:50.800
<v Sam>The first one that was put up, there was some Canadian who put it up on YouTube.

01:19:51.140 --> 01:19:53.400
<v Sam>That one disappeared a few hours later.

01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.000
<v Sam>But by the time it disappeared, there were a half dozen others.

01:19:58.580 --> 01:19:58.700
<v Ivan>Right.

01:19:58.860 --> 01:20:03.020
<v Sam>You know, and so, you know, it's all over the place now.

01:20:03.120 --> 01:20:05.960
<v Ivan>I grabbed it from somewhere on Substack. Okay. All right.

01:20:06.540 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. No, it was put on archive.org. The Mueller She Wrote folks posted it.

01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:15.420
<v Ivan>That's where I grabbed it from. Yep.

01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Sam>That that's the one where you grabbed it um there was

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.760
<v Sam>the original guy who put it on youtube it's available on on torrents for those

01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:29.740
<v Sam>of you who remember like torrenting things from like 15 years ago you know it's

01:20:29.740 --> 01:20:34.100
<v Sam>all over the place it's it's all over the place and every every time they take

01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:38.040
<v Sam>some down more come up so i checked and.

01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:44.020
<v Ivan>Uh this one is yeah mueller she wrote yeah that one's still up. They haven't.

01:20:44.140 --> 01:20:44.420
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:20:44.660 --> 01:20:46.640
<v Ivan>I don't think they'll be able to get to that one. Yeah.

01:20:47.220 --> 01:20:54.060
<v Sam>And, and look with all of these, the, it'll be interesting to see if they ever

01:20:54.060 --> 01:20:56.300
<v Sam>do. Like Barry Weiss has said,

01:20:57.040 --> 01:20:58.540
<v Sam>We'll do more reporting. We'll

01:20:58.540 --> 01:21:02.180
<v Sam>air it later. It'll be interesting to do a comparison, if they ever do.

01:21:03.340 --> 01:21:08.840
<v Sam>There's been enough pressure on it that it seems like maybe they actually will,

01:21:09.040 --> 01:21:10.240
<v Sam>because they were caught.

01:21:11.020 --> 01:21:13.580
<v Sam>Otherwise, I would assume it's just been spiked permanently.

01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:18.760
<v Sam>But the thing is, what this tells you is, okay, this one was pulled at the last

01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:23.120
<v Sam>moment, but what things aren't getting greenlit at all?

01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:27.580
<v Ivan>But that's the thing that I talk about, the clumsiness of this whole damn thing, okay?

01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:31.900
<v Ivan>Because that's, I think, that if you're expecting somebody to be doing what

01:21:31.900 --> 01:21:36.880
<v Ivan>they're doing, it's you're expecting them to be doing it in that more, how do I say,

01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:42.080
<v Ivan>artful way that it's like, well, you're just steering it and you're not going

01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:45.880
<v Ivan>and like going three hours before a fucking news report is going up and then

01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:49.120
<v Ivan>making it a bigger deal, which is the stupidest thing about this, okay?

01:21:50.180 --> 01:21:53.000
<v Ivan>you know which is what again this is the same thing

01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.920
<v Ivan>that happened with the with the with Jeffrey Wang and

01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.660
<v Ivan>30 years it's ridiculous how much deja vu there

01:21:58.660 --> 01:22:01.380
<v Ivan>is in this whole damn thing and once again I tell people that if you

01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:04.580
<v Ivan>guys haven't watched the movie The Insider which covers this you

01:22:04.580 --> 01:22:07.680
<v Ivan>know from completely it's a great number it's

01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.900
<v Ivan>a very good movie there are some artistic licensing in it

01:22:10.900 --> 01:22:13.660
<v Ivan>a little bit not that much you know as far as I as far as I've heard

01:22:13.660 --> 01:22:16.600
<v Ivan>there are just certain things that are that are obviously not not not

01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:20.180
<v Ivan>exactly the real but the movie's very entertaining and it's and it covers it

01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:24.720
<v Ivan>quite well so so watch that it's russell crow and now pacino and that movie

01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:29.120
<v Ivan>they did a they did an excellent job in that movie so go check it out but i

01:22:29.120 --> 01:22:36.100
<v Ivan>but it's just here but here's the one thing sam look this wasn't honestly that big a deal,

01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:43.320
<v Ivan>you mentioned before that frontline had covered this yeah they had already this

01:22:43.320 --> 01:22:46.880
<v Ivan>this story already even done you know and.

01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.440
<v Sam>That's also one of the reasons she said we're not treading new ground here.

01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:55.180
<v Ivan>That's one of the excuses but that's my point so why'd you pull it,

01:22:57.250 --> 01:23:02.850
<v Ivan>I mean, it did do some, it did do, they did have certain interviews with.

01:23:03.250 --> 01:23:08.310
<v Sam>So let's step back a second because I have not watched it.

01:23:08.450 --> 01:23:15.370
<v Sam>You have. And I, I technically watched the front line that covered this. It was also only a 15.

01:23:15.570 --> 01:23:20.390
<v Sam>It was like the last 15 minutes of a longer front line. And I'll be honest,

01:23:20.410 --> 01:23:22.950
<v Sam>I think I might've fallen asleep. But.

01:23:23.530 --> 01:23:31.170
<v Ivan>Number one is they cover that. Listen, they showed how they were flown there,

01:23:31.530 --> 01:23:34.350
<v Ivan>how they were treated, how they first got told they were going to Venezuela,

01:23:34.390 --> 01:23:35.730
<v Ivan>and then they wound up in El Salvador.

01:23:36.070 --> 01:23:39.290
<v Ivan>They showed the entire treatment of how they were dragged off in shackles,

01:23:39.410 --> 01:23:42.950
<v Ivan>how they were abused and tortured, the horrible conditions at the prison.

01:23:43.070 --> 01:23:50.950
<v Ivan>They showed that in detail because the place is just it is it is absolutely an inhumane prison.

01:23:51.110 --> 01:24:00.610
<v Ivan>It is, you know, already many human rights organizations have decried that it

01:24:00.610 --> 01:24:05.010
<v Ivan>does not meet any minimum standards for treatment of prisoners anywhere.

01:24:05.370 --> 01:24:10.630
<v Ivan>I mean, they have their lights on 24 hours. They don't give people proper places to sleep.

01:24:11.050 --> 01:24:16.770
<v Ivan>It is just they deny food. They were making people drink dirty water.

01:24:16.930 --> 01:24:20.670
<v Ivan>They wouldn't even give them fresh, clean water or food. Okay.

01:24:21.110 --> 01:24:27.250
<v Ivan>There were beatings and torture. They denied them health care during the stay there.

01:24:28.180 --> 01:24:32.460
<v Ivan>And the interviews with the people that were sent there, which is basically,

01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:34.620
<v Ivan>they got sent there. Why? Because they had tattoos.

01:24:35.400 --> 01:24:37.680
<v Ivan>And I'm like, that's it.

01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:45.360
<v Ivan>When, by the way, it was very well known by ICE that they claimed they were Trenderagua.

01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.260
<v Ivan>Trenderagua, they don't use tattoos to identify people.

01:24:50.160 --> 01:24:53.260
<v Ivan>That the picture where Kristi Noem was standing in front of a whole bunch of

01:24:53.260 --> 01:24:56.980
<v Ivan>prisoners, all the ones behind her, They were all Salvadorans.

01:24:57.160 --> 01:25:01.400
<v Ivan>MS-13, they were not the people from the flight at all.

01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:08.340
<v Ivan>That they didn't, you know, they sent them there, that they have a list that

01:25:08.340 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Ivan>shows that less than 2% of the people that were sent there had violent criminal records.

01:25:15.320 --> 01:25:19.280
<v Ivan>That the others that they said that 50% were criminals were basically people

01:25:19.280 --> 01:25:22.100
<v Ivan>that they were criminalizing because simply they entered the U.S.

01:25:22.440 --> 01:25:24.900
<v Ivan>according to them illegally. Which, by the way, in many instances,

01:25:25.140 --> 01:25:27.520
<v Ivan>people were illegal, but then they turned them into illegal.

01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:29.660
<v Ivan>So that's their only offense.

01:25:30.340 --> 01:25:35.500
<v Ivan>And that they were just brutalized for four months until finally,

01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:43.660
<v Ivan>amazingly enough, the guy who freaking got them out of there was the president of Venezuela.

01:25:43.660 --> 01:25:48.040
<v Ivan>Not exactly a warm and cuddly guy either.

01:25:48.340 --> 01:25:53.720
<v Ivan>Another fucking asshole. and it was in a trade for some Americans that had been

01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.560
<v Ivan>imprisoned in Venezuela.

01:25:58.020 --> 01:26:03.120
<v Ivan>So, you know, the detail of how badly they were mistreated and the kind of abuse

01:26:03.120 --> 01:26:06.100
<v Ivan>that they were endured is really gut-wrenching.

01:26:07.160 --> 01:26:12.940
<v Ivan>Sam, these people are being made to... They weren't being given not even water.

01:26:13.180 --> 01:26:16.240
<v Ivan>They were being told that they needed to drink the same water they bathe with.

01:26:16.380 --> 01:26:18.160
<v Ivan>That's the water they should be drinking. Right?

01:26:19.010 --> 01:26:19.450
<v Sam>Right.

01:26:20.170 --> 01:26:24.050
<v Ivan>So, yeah, so it was the part.

01:26:24.250 --> 01:26:29.190
<v Ivan>It's pretty damning. But again, I think, you know, one of the things they highlighted

01:26:29.190 --> 01:26:34.730
<v Ivan>there also was that the president of El Salvador had been allowing a lot of

01:26:34.730 --> 01:26:39.070
<v Ivan>like social media people and tours to to go visit the place.

01:26:39.650 --> 01:26:45.730
<v Ivan>And so, by the way, a lot of the facts there to gather who it was,

01:26:45.970 --> 01:26:49.710
<v Ivan>where they were located, how they were treated, and corroborate all the information

01:26:49.710 --> 01:26:53.070
<v Ivan>was compiled by not just the interviews,

01:26:53.170 --> 01:26:57.690
<v Ivan>but so many social media people have been allowed there to visit and take a

01:26:57.690 --> 01:27:03.270
<v Ivan>look that they were able to build a composite and figure out who the people were,

01:27:03.630 --> 01:27:06.250
<v Ivan>where they were being held, what was the criminal record.

01:27:06.250 --> 01:27:11.410
<v Ivan>They were able to reconstruct just about all the details about the group and

01:27:11.410 --> 01:27:15.510
<v Ivan>come to the conclusion, like I mentioned, that basically less than 2% of the

01:27:15.510 --> 01:27:17.410
<v Ivan>people that got sent there had violent criminal records.

01:27:18.070 --> 01:27:18.590
<v Sam>Right.

01:27:20.470 --> 01:27:28.290
<v Sam>And look, I just, while we were talking about that, I saw a blue sky thing with

01:27:28.290 --> 01:27:33.010
<v Sam>Representative McIver coming out of— Now I got McIver?

01:27:33.950 --> 01:27:37.670
<v Sam>Not McIver. Not McIver. McIver.

01:27:38.170 --> 01:27:39.490
<v Ivan>McIver. Okay. All right.

01:27:39.610 --> 01:27:40.210
<v Sam>McIver.

01:27:40.270 --> 01:27:41.130
<v Ivan>Not McIver. Okay.

01:27:41.350 --> 01:27:45.510
<v Sam>Yeah. She just did a tour of an ice facility in Newark, New Jersey,

01:27:45.510 --> 01:27:50.130
<v Sam>and was talking about how conditions there were horrible.

01:27:50.690 --> 01:27:57.890
<v Sam>So I feel like we're missing—I mean, there's been some reporting on how bad

01:27:57.890 --> 01:28:04.270
<v Sam>the domestic camps are, but I think we need more of that and more visibility on that as well.

01:28:04.790 --> 01:28:12.170
<v Sam>Yes. Because I think we're going to find that we got some pretty bad stuff going

01:28:12.170 --> 01:28:14.630
<v Sam>on domestically, too, without even sending the telephones on.

01:28:14.630 --> 01:28:18.890
<v Ivan>Yeah, and there has been coverage on those as well.

01:28:18.990 --> 01:28:19.490
<v Sam>There has been.

01:28:19.490 --> 01:28:24.710
<v Ivan>But but again, the whole damn problem is people are people are there's so much

01:28:24.710 --> 01:28:28.030
<v Ivan>bad news coming out with this shit that people are being desensitized.

01:28:28.130 --> 01:28:30.650
<v Ivan>And the only reason they paid attention to it now is because of what happened

01:28:30.650 --> 01:28:31.610
<v Ivan>when they pulled a story.

01:28:32.480 --> 01:28:40.120
<v Sam>Yes. Because, you know, it's very easy to ignore the latest piece of bad news.

01:28:40.300 --> 01:28:44.740
<v Sam>This gives us a different spin because it's more, oh, they're trying to hide it.

01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:52.960
<v Sam>You know, we've said before, even with all of Trump's obvious corruption and

01:28:52.960 --> 01:29:00.680
<v Sam>such, the fact that he just does it out in the open without even trying to hide it.

01:29:01.440 --> 01:29:05.560
<v Sam>like makes people automatically dismiss it to a degree. Well,

01:29:05.620 --> 01:29:08.360
<v Sam>it can't be that bad. He's not even trying to hide it.

01:29:08.780 --> 01:29:13.960
<v Ivan>Well, you know, and now we are going to be made safe by the, whatchamacallit?

01:29:14.020 --> 01:29:16.000
<v Sam>The Golden Fleet? The Golden Fleet.

01:29:16.360 --> 01:29:20.820
<v Ivan>Yes. I mean, that's how we're going to be safe and secure, with the Golden Fleet,

01:29:20.980 --> 01:29:22.080
<v Ivan>the Golden Shower Fleet.

01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:23.980
<v Sam>Bring back the battleship.

01:29:24.980 --> 01:29:29.840
<v Ivan>Bring back the battleship, yes. It's going to be, I think he said,

01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:34.880
<v Ivan>a thousand times more powerful than any other ship. A thousand times.

01:29:35.860 --> 01:29:40.280
<v Sam>And it'll be a 6,000% reduction as well.

01:29:40.620 --> 01:29:43.700
<v Ivan>Yes, there will be a 6,000% reduction in cost, yes.

01:29:44.020 --> 01:29:44.860
<v Sam>Yes, yes.

01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:49.020
<v Ivan>And with a thousand times more power. Numbers are amazing.

01:29:50.870 --> 01:29:53.590
<v Sam>Okay, I think we're running out of steam here. Should we wrap it up?

01:29:53.750 --> 01:29:55.630
<v Ivan>We're out of steam. Yeah, let's...

01:29:55.630 --> 01:30:00.410
<v Sam>Oh, will the Golden Fleet be steam-powered? Because we can't trust all that

01:30:00.410 --> 01:30:06.150
<v Sam>modern, newfangled, like, diesel or nuclear or whatever. It should be steam.

01:30:07.090 --> 01:30:11.430
<v Ivan>It's coal and steam. It's going to be all coal-powered. Coal-powered.

01:30:11.470 --> 01:30:12.930
<v Sam>Clean coal. Clean coal.

01:30:12.990 --> 01:30:16.510
<v Ivan>Yeah, clean coal. we're going to have we're going to use illegal immigrants

01:30:16.510 --> 01:30:20.970
<v Ivan>to go and like you know be shoveling the coal into the furnaces no.

01:30:20.970 --> 01:30:23.510
<v Sam>No no no we have to go back farther.

01:30:23.510 --> 01:30:33.930
<v Ivan>Slaves ores oh the ores slaves with ores slaves with ores yes yes yes unlimited power yes.

01:30:33.930 --> 01:30:43.010
<v Sam>Unlimited okay let's wrap this up oh I should before before I do the standard

01:30:43.010 --> 01:30:44.710
<v Sam>rappy-up-y-up-y stuff.

01:30:45.650 --> 01:30:55.530
<v Sam>Next week will most definitely be the 2026 Predictions show. We have...

01:30:56.710 --> 01:30:57.510
<v Ivan>We have things.

01:30:57.750 --> 01:31:06.450
<v Sam>Okay. So we have the thing, the tinyurl.com slash ccpred2026.

01:31:06.450 --> 01:31:12.430
<v Ivan>Yeah, and post it on the Slack. I thought you had posted it on the Slack for some reason, but yeah.

01:31:12.570 --> 01:31:16.490
<v Sam>No, no. I had only mentioned it on the show. Somebody on the Slack asked for

01:31:16.490 --> 01:31:19.430
<v Sam>it. You asked for it. So I posted it twice on the Slack as well.

01:31:19.570 --> 01:31:22.090
<v Sam>I will mention I just opened it up.

01:31:22.910 --> 01:31:30.650
<v Sam>We do have input from somebody. The other, we do have some things that are added onto there by my son.

01:31:31.070 --> 01:31:35.230
<v Sam>My son is the only one who has added things for us to predict.

01:31:35.650 --> 01:31:43.070
<v Sam>So far, he has added, in economy numeric, he has added, will one plus one equals two?

01:31:43.870 --> 01:31:47.150
<v Ivan>Whoa! Good question.

01:31:47.830 --> 01:31:55.250
<v Sam>In hodgepodge medical, he has added, will Yvonne die? So, very nice of him.

01:31:55.490 --> 01:31:58.550
<v Ivan>Nice of him to be so concerned with my health.

01:31:59.550 --> 01:32:06.630
<v Sam>In HodgePodge Sports slash Abelsmay, he has added, will Abelsmay become an athlete?

01:32:07.090 --> 01:32:09.850
<v Sam>And there are a couple others. Excellent.

01:32:11.490 --> 01:32:19.170
<v Sam>Anyway, everybody, look, you got one week. We are recording on the 31st.

01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:25.020
<v Sam>So get your stuff in by like the 30th, okay?

01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:34.440
<v Sam>Like we're recording earlier in the day on the 31st. So get your stuff in.

01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:40.980
<v Sam>I will start adding my own stuff to this list probably on the 30th.

01:32:40.980 --> 01:32:44.340
<v Sam>but go there for suggestions for

01:32:44.340 --> 01:32:48.460
<v Sam>us to do predictions of tinyurl.com slash

01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:51.880
<v Sam>ccpred2026 add in

01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:56.660
<v Sam>your suggestions we will prioritize anything that we have been asked to predict

01:32:56.660 --> 01:33:03.360
<v Sam>over other stuff and i will just fill in the blanks with our own ideas of things

01:33:03.360 --> 01:33:07.740
<v Sam>similar to what we've done in previous years if you know if they're not enough

01:33:07.740 --> 01:33:10.500
<v Sam>and of course yvonne feel free to add your own as well.

01:33:11.160 --> 01:33:16.340
<v Sam>And, but yes, we would prefer to be predicting all things that people have asked us to predict.

01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:20.800
<v Sam>So get in there, do this. Okay. With that said,

01:33:21.160 --> 01:33:26.460
<v Sam>curmudgeons-corner.com, go there for our archives, go there for all the ways

01:33:26.460 --> 01:33:32.720
<v Sam>to contact us, go there for transcripts, go there to buy mugs, go there for.

01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:34.900
<v Sam>You know, to have fun.

01:33:35.320 --> 01:33:37.580
<v Sam>You'll listen to all our old shows.

01:33:38.400 --> 01:33:46.840
<v Sam>You know, there's no better way to spend a relaxing Saturday afternoon than

01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:50.640
<v Sam>picking, say, you know, 2003.

01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:56.200
<v Sam>And just checking out what we had to say in 2003. Right?

01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.860
<v Sam>Did we start in 2000? We started in 2007, didn't we?

01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:03.040
<v Ivan>2007, yes.

01:34:03.180 --> 01:34:05.540
<v Sam>So don't look at 2003. That won't work.

01:34:05.540 --> 01:34:06.540
<v Ivan>Yeah, that would be, that won't work.

01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:14.900
<v Sam>But, you know, pick a random year, 2012. Let's say 2012. See what we were talking about in 2012.

01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:19.660
<v Sam>Pick a random episode from a random month in 2012. See how it was.

01:34:20.060 --> 01:34:21.500
<v Sam>Give us your feedback on that.

01:34:22.780 --> 01:34:26.720
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01:34:27.620 --> 01:34:28.880
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01:34:28.940 --> 01:34:31.560
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01:34:32.360 --> 01:34:36.480
<v Sam>And, importantly, for $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us,

01:34:36.480 --> 01:34:40.660
<v Sam>We will invite you to the Cummudgeons Corner Slack, where Yvonne and I and all

01:34:40.660 --> 01:34:44.400
<v Sam>sorts of others are hanging out throughout the week, sharing links,

01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:45.880
<v Sam>chatting, all that sort of stuff.

01:34:46.200 --> 01:34:51.140
<v Sam>So, Yvonne, what's a highlight from the Slack that we have not talked about on the show?

01:34:51.140 --> 01:34:55.220
<v Ivan>I got I got I got three tidbits. One was back in 1982.

01:34:55.520 --> 01:35:00.480
<v Ivan>Neiman Marcus used to send out this catalog once a year for Christmas that they

01:35:00.480 --> 01:35:06.800
<v Ivan>always had some kind of like outrageous, expensive item that was like available that year for sale.

01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:15.680
<v Ivan>OK, and, you know, it was like this this super special expensive car or something in 1982.

01:35:16.080 --> 01:35:21.820
<v Ivan>They had this recliner pod, OK, that looked like you were sitting in some kind

01:35:21.820 --> 01:35:26.900
<v Ivan>of spaceship, OK, from like some 1980s, 70s sci-fi movie.

01:35:26.900 --> 01:35:35.020
<v Ivan>And in it, you had like a TV, a phone thing, all these flashing lights and rotated

01:35:35.020 --> 01:35:38.640
<v Ivan>electrically and rotated $32,000.

01:35:39.200 --> 01:35:44.220
<v Ivan>Okay. For your nice little rotating pod where you could like basically just

01:35:44.220 --> 01:35:48.120
<v Ivan>get in there and like feel like you're in some kind of space capsule.

01:35:48.340 --> 01:35:52.000
<v Ivan>Okay. So that was like, I thought that was pretty cool. It could be actually,

01:35:52.140 --> 01:35:56.200
<v Ivan>if you look at the video on the link, I mean, actually with some updates,

01:35:56.280 --> 01:35:58.440
<v Ivan>it would be kind of cool to be sitting on right now.

01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:01.660
<v Ivan>You know, if you can get one. The second one.

01:36:02.390 --> 01:36:07.470
<v Ivan>Rescued owl was too fat to fly, Suffolk Century says.

01:36:07.870 --> 01:36:13.730
<v Ivan>An owl rescued from a ditch and thought to be injured was in fact just too fat

01:36:13.730 --> 01:36:16.150
<v Ivan>to fly, a bird rescue center has said.

01:36:16.350 --> 01:36:24.310
<v Ivan>I had never seen this in my life, where a bird managed to get themselves too fat to fly.

01:36:24.670 --> 01:36:29.090
<v Ivan>That's a new one, okay?

01:36:29.090 --> 01:36:32.510
<v Sam>Well, that's kind of what happens to all ostriches.

01:36:32.850 --> 01:36:34.310
<v Ivan>It does? Okay.

01:36:35.190 --> 01:36:35.550
<v Sam>All right.

01:36:35.590 --> 01:36:36.850
<v Ivan>But I never saw that with an owl.

01:36:37.530 --> 01:36:41.610
<v Sam>I guess, though, with an ostrich, even when they're little, they can't fly.

01:36:42.070 --> 01:36:42.170
<v Ivan>Right.

01:36:42.170 --> 01:36:43.390
<v Sam>They just never fly.

01:36:43.390 --> 01:36:47.250
<v Ivan>There are some birds like, well, you know, like turkeys. As WKRP.

01:36:47.410 --> 01:36:47.890
<v Sam>Turkeys can fly.

01:36:48.830 --> 01:36:49.630
<v Ivan>Apparently not.

01:36:49.830 --> 01:36:52.970
<v Sam>As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

01:36:53.610 --> 01:36:59.110
<v Ivan>Yes. That is what happened. And if you need to go back, review the WKRP in Cincinnati

01:36:59.110 --> 01:37:02.450
<v Ivan>episode related to this. Okay. All right. And the next.

01:37:02.810 --> 01:37:06.830
<v Sam>Apparently, turkeys actually can fly a little bit, just like chickens can.

01:37:07.010 --> 01:37:09.070
<v Ivan>They're just not good for it. Not when dropped from a helicopter.

01:37:09.710 --> 01:37:11.670
<v Sam>Well, that's a whole different story. Yes.

01:37:11.810 --> 01:37:16.370
<v Ivan>Right. Okay. And the last one. Back in the day.

01:37:16.910 --> 01:37:20.010
<v Ivan>And actually, you can still get this service for iPods.

01:37:20.590 --> 01:37:23.570
<v Ivan>You know, when you order an iPod, you can get it engraved. I don't know if you

01:37:23.570 --> 01:37:27.870
<v Ivan>can get the iPhones still engraved. I know that I got some engraving on the

01:37:27.870 --> 01:37:31.670
<v Ivan>iPad for my wife, and I got them on the AirPods.

01:37:32.330 --> 01:37:38.330
<v Ivan>But apparently some guy was trying to order an iPod, and so they asked for the engraving.

01:37:39.430 --> 01:37:42.430
<v Ivan>And he didn't want the engraving, okay?

01:37:43.010 --> 01:37:49.370
<v Ivan>But he didn't understand how the box worked. So he ordered the iPod and in the

01:37:49.370 --> 01:37:51.030
<v Ivan>back and said, no thanks.

01:37:51.070 --> 01:37:53.270
<v Ivan>I don't want my iPod engraved.

01:37:53.830 --> 01:37:54.750
<v Sam>Very good.

01:37:54.750 --> 01:37:55.510
<v Ivan>Yes,

01:37:56.620 --> 01:38:04.340
<v Ivan>So, yeah, that was, you know, that's an interesting way to get your iPod engraved.

01:38:04.740 --> 01:38:07.600
<v Ivan>No thanks. You know, I don't want my iPod engraved.

01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:13.620
<v Sam>I think very early on, like I had a couple of my Apple devices engraved like that.

01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:20.400
<v Sam>But then I just realized through experience that eventually I'm going to have

01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:24.440
<v Sam>an issue with that item and I'm going to take it in under AppleCare.

01:38:24.440 --> 01:38:28.040
<v Sam>and they're going to swap it out with the refurbished one anyway.

01:38:28.360 --> 01:38:30.900
<v Sam>And the refurbished one isn't going to have my engraving.

01:38:31.420 --> 01:38:31.860
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:34.260
<v Sam>So what's the point? Maybe, you know?

01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:38.740
<v Ivan>Well, I got my wife's like a little... Well, one thing is that it was useful.

01:38:38.880 --> 01:38:41.940
<v Ivan>And actually, I have my wife's iPad Pro here. Let's see.

01:38:42.540 --> 01:38:46.900
<v Ivan>Did I get it engrained? I think so.

01:38:47.740 --> 01:38:50.260
<v Ivan>Of course, it's got the case on. You can't.

01:38:50.980 --> 01:38:51.980
<v Sam>There's another reason.

01:38:52.580 --> 01:38:56.980
<v Ivan>Yeah, there it is. I put her initials in the back. Yeah. Yeah.

01:38:56.980 --> 01:39:01.960
<v Sam>I think I'd put like, you know, my email address or something if it was lost

01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.100
<v Sam>or I don't remember what I put like.

01:39:05.200 --> 01:39:08.920
<v Ivan>For example, for the AirPods, kind of like, you know, because we have both AirPods,

01:39:09.080 --> 01:39:10.340
<v Ivan>so I could tell which one is which.

01:39:11.020 --> 01:39:11.460
<v Sam>Okay.

01:39:13.430 --> 01:39:17.930
<v Ivan>So anyway, interesting. It would have been more fun, I guess,

01:39:17.950 --> 01:39:19.030
<v Ivan>if I had said, no, thanks.

01:39:19.250 --> 01:39:21.850
<v Ivan>I don't want... I'd have been great.

01:39:23.130 --> 01:39:24.810
<v Ivan>And last but not least...

01:39:24.810 --> 01:39:28.270
<v Sam>Those forums can be confusing. And last but not least.

01:39:28.970 --> 01:39:33.930
<v Ivan>A do-not-miss television extravaganza tonight at 8 o'clock.

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<v Ivan>The Trump-Kennedy Center Honors will be broadcast tonight on CBS at 8 p.m.

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<v Ivan>and Trump will be the masters of ceremony.

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<v Ivan>I think the one thing that we don't get, unfortunately, is that this isn't live.

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<v Ivan>Because I guess with quite a lot of heavy editing, this will not have Trump

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<v Ivan>looking like a complete idiot.

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<v Ivan>But if he tried to do this live, this probably would have turned into the most

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<v Ivan>amazing fiasco in television history. And God only knows.

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<v Sam>It's not.

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<v Ivan>Going to be a disaster.

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<v Sam>Is there an audience though it's it's like a live event though yeah so but they'll

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<v Sam>edit it for television yes but but if it's a disaster you'll hear from some

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<v Sam>of the people who are physically there you'll i'm sure well.

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<v Ivan>It depends who got invited i mean.

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<v Sam>Well that's true it's probably a very select audience yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean i imagine it was extremely select now you know So this is another thing

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<v Ivan>that, you know, like the stupid story on 60 Minutes.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I don't think I've ever watched a Kennedy Center Honors. Have you?

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<v Sam>Yeah, I don't think I have either. No, no, I don't. I'm pretty sure not.

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<v Ivan>It's one of these shows that I'm just like, who the fuck watches this?

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<v Sam>There are people who are fans of this type of show.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I just don't just, you know, like me, my family. We don't.

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<v Ivan>I don't. I'm trying to figure out what the audience is because I don't think

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<v Ivan>that I have, like I know or my friends, any of us which watch a show like this.

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<v Ivan>I'm trying to figure out who the heck the audience is. Is it people that are

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<v Ivan>still stuck in TVs from the, TV, like the 1960s.

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<v Ivan>And they're like, they're going to watch whatever CBS puts on.

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<v Sam>There's a lot of that, but there's, you know, these kinds of shows were much

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<v Sam>bigger, you know, in Trump's heyday.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>Like if you go back to the seventies and eighties and stuff like this kind of

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<v Sam>show was a popular kind of show and people like.

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<v Ivan>There was only three channels to watch. I mean, you know, and somebody put.

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<v Ivan>this on for like two hours.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, what the fuck else? It was an event. I mean, what else are you going to do?

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<v Sam>You know, and no, and I was about to say, you know,

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<v Sam>attendance at the Kennedy Center has apparently dropped like a rock since Trump

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<v Sam>did his hostile takeover of the Kennedy Center board.

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<v Ivan>Oh, let me get this straight. So, so MAGA folks aren't really patrons of the arts.

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<v Sam>Hmm.

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<v Ivan>Who could have guessed?

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<v Sam>And all of the non-MAGA folks are like, there's no way we're participating in this.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>Yo, they killed our thing. And this is one of the ongoing permanent or semi-permanent

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<v Sam>damage of this Trump second administration.

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<v Sam>is how many things are just dying.

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<v Sam>You know, we're killing the Kennedy Center. We're killing CBS. We're killing CNN.

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<v Sam>We're killing, you know, we're killing the rule of law.

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<v Ivan>Here, to be fair, on a number of things, okay, a number of these things had

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<v Ivan>become less relevant over time, and like it just was mentioned.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes. These are things that he is— They were due for killing. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, the one thing is that because a show like the Kennedy Center

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<v Ivan>Honors, I'm guessing that's the only reason he wanted to take over this in order

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<v Ivan>to be able to take control of the show.

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<v Ivan>It seems like that is very clearly the case, because I'm sure that,

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<v Ivan>you know, the regular plays and things and other stuff that's going on,

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<v Ivan>that never interested him anyway.

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<v Ivan>You know, so, so yeah, it seems this was like the goal, but like,

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<v Ivan>as one of the Kennedy said,

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<v Ivan>and I, I was in wholehearted agreement is like, they can't wait until Trump's

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<v Ivan>out of office and that they will climb up on a ladder and fucking rip his stupid name off of there.

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<v Ivan>And there will be a certain level of satisfaction, by the way,

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<v Ivan>to be a, you know, the fact that he's doing this with so many things,

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<v Ivan>I will take great pleasure.

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<v Ivan>And getting all this shit renamed again without his fucking name.

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<v Sam>Well, I heard one person commenting on this this week, basically saying,

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<v Sam>Donald Trump, does he not realize that he is handing a big PR thing to whoever comes next?

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<v Ivan>Yep.

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<v Sam>Where they have the ceremonial, like, restoration of things to how they were.

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<v Sam>Right. Like, all that gold shit in the Oval Office.

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<v Ivan>Ripped off immediately.

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<v Sam>Immediately. Gone.

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<v Ivan>I mean, unfortunately— All those plaques disparaging the president's gone.

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<v Ivan>Unfortunately, they can't— I'll fucking make sure that, you know,

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<v Ivan>what we have is a picture of a fucking orange instead of him in the White House, okay, for a few years.

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<v Sam>Years now unfortunately they can't

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<v Sam>just bring back the east wing now so someone

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<v Sam>someone the other day was talking about like some movie and on fox news there

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<v Sam>was a conversation about some movie and whether donald trump had watched it

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<v Sam>or not and somebody asked is there a movie theater in the white house and of

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<v Sam>course the answer is there was there was it was in the east wing It's gone now.

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<v Ivan>It's gone.

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<v Sam>You know, but all of these things, it's just like...

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<v Sam>Some things will be easily restored, like taking Trump's name off the Kennedy

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<v Sam>Center will happen nearly instantly.

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<v Ivan>Repainting Air Force One. By the way, I think that at this point,

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<v Ivan>you do realize that right now they went and they bought two more 747-8s used from Lufthansa. Okay.

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<v Ivan>All right. To add to the fleet, aside from the Qatari plane that we've got and

01:46:03.650 --> 01:46:10.750
<v Ivan>the two that we're building. So right now we have five 7478s being tried to

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<v Ivan>convert into Air Force One.

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<v Ivan>And I'm going to bet you my bottom dollar.

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<v Sam>Not a single one is ready before he leaves.

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<v Ivan>Exactly right.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>He will never get to fly on him.

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<v Sam>I will also bet you that the ballroom ain't done by the time he leaves either.

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<v Ivan>That's right. Yeah.

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<v Sam>You know, maybe they'll have some sort of ceremonial groundbreaking,

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<v Sam>but they're not going to.

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<v Ivan>Like— They're not going to— It's not going to be done. It's not going to be done.

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<v Sam>It's not going to be done. And, you know, and hopefully it's not too far along so it can be stopped.

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<v Sam>Right. And something reasonable put there instead.

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<v Sam>Like, you know, and people have talked about, like, you know,

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<v Sam>for the East Wing, apparently people have talked for a long time.

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<v Sam>You know, the building is out of date. There are things that could be updated.

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<v Sam>There are reasonable arguments for, in a controlled way, renovating and doing

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<v Sam>something different with that space.

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<v Sam>Knocking the whole damn thing down and building a jimongous ballroom ain't it.

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>Now, people have said, you know, hey, what's stopping him from knocking down

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<v Sam>the rest of the White House? Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Well, I guess he won't have any place to stay.

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<v Sam>He could do it all from Mar-a-Lago.

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<v Ivan>Oh, God, please. No, I don't want him down here more than he is already.

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<v Sam>Yeah, well, anyway, I think we're done here, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>We're done.

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<v Sam>Thanks, everybody. Once again, go to tinyurl.com slash ccpred2026.

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<v Sam>Give us stuff to predict. We'll be recording that show at 1800 UTC on the 31st.

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<v Sam>So get your stuff in by the 30th. Okay?

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<v Sam>Okay? You got it? And we'll do our annual prediction show, which is often one

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<v Sam>of our longest shows of the year.

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<v Sam>So we'll have fun with that.

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<v Sam>And in the meantime, you know, I know we said it last time, but Merry Christmas,

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<v Sam>Happy Hanukkah. is Hanukkah still going on?

01:48:23.970 --> 01:48:29.290
<v Sam>I, I, I always forget dates. I'm sorry. I know it's in progress or was recently or something.

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<v Sam>Happy Festivus, happy Kwanzaa, happy solstice, happy whatever winter break thing you happen to be doing.

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<v Sam>Enjoy it all. Have a good time with family.

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<v Sam>And, you know, and before, you know, we'll record on the 31st,

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<v Sam>but it probably won't be out till the 1st.

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<v Sam>So Happy New Year, too, because this is probably the last time you'll hear from us before then.

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<v Ivan>So anyway, Happy New Year. Merry Christmas.

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<v Sam>Happy Hanukkah. Happy Holidays. Let's be forgot.

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<v Sam>I think I better just, like, start the music. Goodbye, everyone.

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<v Ivan>Bye.

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<v Sam>98.9. Fever hasn't spiked again yet.

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<v Sam>Now, last couple days it hasn't spiked till a few hours later than this in a day, so we'll see.

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<v Sam>Take some more meds. Okay, bye. Hitting stop.

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<v Ivan>Bye.

