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<v Sam>Hold on a second.

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<v Ivan>There we go.

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<v Sam>Okay. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah. All good?

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<v Ivan>Yep.

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<v Sam>Blah.

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<v Ivan>Blah.

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<v Sam>Let's do this. Hold on. I'm booking something in the other window.

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<v Ivan>Booking.

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<v Sam>Booking. Booking.

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<v Sam>Schedule.

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<v Sam>Okay. Did that. I should put it in my calendar.

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<v Sam>you know that's annoying okay there it is plus paste let's see if this does it right,

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<v Sam>sorry give me one second 15 this becomes 23 okay good good good good okay ready

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<v Sam>to go or do we have preliminaries to work out first you're kind of blurry and frozen right now Oh.

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<v Ivan>I, I, okay. I think I know why. Hold on. You see something.

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<v Ivan>Oh, what am I doing? Okay. No, close. Okay. Let's see.

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<v Ivan>Blurry and frozen. I.

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<v Sam>Oh, let me.

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<v Ivan>Okay. I.

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<v Sam>Back to the right window.

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<v Ivan>Well, I, I, I mean, I'm looking at my video. Looks fine.

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<v Sam>Okay. Let me look at what. Yeah. On, on YouTube, you look. Wait,

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<v Sam>now we both look good. We look amazing.

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<v Ivan>It's almost like. It's only. You mean, not that we look good.

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<v Ivan>You mean the signal quality is, the video quality is good.

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<v Sam>Oh, no. I mean, we're horribly attractive people.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. You know, I got to, you know, as I walk through the mall,

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<v Ivan>I'm just like, you know, pushing them away.

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<v Sam>Of course. Of course.

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<v Ivan>That's how it works. Like, look, I'm married. Get off of me.

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<v Ivan>What are you doing? Jesus Christ, you know.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Both men and women. All of them, you know?

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<v Sam>Of course. Of course. And probably the reindeer at the Santa display, too.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yes. Yes. And the dogs.

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<v Sam>And the dogs. Yes. They all love you. Shall we get started before this goes south any further?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Here we go.

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<v Ivan>Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Thursday, December 11th, 2025.

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<v Sam>It's just after 22 UTC as we are starting to record.

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<v Sam>And yeah, that's the thing.

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<v Sam>Before I forget, before I forget, I'm going to give something I promised last time.

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<v Sam>And I will be mentioning this every week until the time comes.

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<v Sam>which is that the Google Doc for making suggestions of things for us to predict

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<v Sam>on our annual prediction show is now up.

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<v Sam>The URL is tinyurl.com slash ccpred2026.

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<v Sam>So I expect all of you out there listening to go in and start dropping in.

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<v Sam>And flood it. Yes, flood it.

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<v Sam>Flood the zone, as Steve Bannon says.

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<v Sam>It is divided up into sections, you know, politics, international,

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<v Sam>economy, technology, hodgepodge, and each one of those sections further has some subsections.

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<v Sam>Feel free to add bullet points with your questions that you want us to predict.

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<v Sam>I do ask that you sign your submissions. Just at the end of the question,

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<v Sam>do dash and your initials.

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<v Sam>It doesn't even have to be your real name or anything.

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<v Sam>Just dash something that's identifiable so we can thank you for the question

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<v Sam>when we actually do the show.

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<v Sam>And put in however much you want. If there's so much there that I'm like,

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<v Sam>okay, we're done. I don't need any more.

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<v Sam>Then we won't add our normal things because they'll already be there.

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<v Sam>But if there's not enough, then we'll sort of fill it in with the stuff that

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<v Sam>we usually make predictions about and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>But anyway, this is all because our annual prediction show will be our last show of the year.

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<v Sam>And then our first show of the new year will be reviewing predictions from that

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<v Sam>we made about 2025 to see how we did.

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<v Sam>So anyway, I wanted to get that out of the way before I forgot,

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<v Sam>because I knew I would forget if I did.

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<v Sam>So again, it's tinyurl.com slash ccpred2026.

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<v Sam>So go there. Add stuff that you want us to predict.

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<v Ivan>Things.

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<v Sam>It'll be exciting. Exiting. Exiting.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I don't understand. How the fuck are you supposed to know the difference

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<v Ivan>between exciting, exiting?

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<v Ivan>Say you're a new person coming to the language. Actually, they don't.

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<v Ivan>This is the problem with English.

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<v Ivan>It's very different. Many times, it's now phonetic.

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<v Ivan>Unlike Spanish.

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<v Sam>It's contextual.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, not even that.

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<v Sam>Well, usually you can tell the difference between exiting and exciting by the

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<v Sam>sentence that's around it.

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<v Sam>Well, the pronunciation isn't automatic.

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<v Ivan>But if you're looking, let's say, but yeah, true. The context helps.

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<v Ivan>But if you're looking at a list of words, say you're new to the language.

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<v Ivan>is I remember we had these quizzes for language to learn new words at school,

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<v Ivan>and they just gave you this list of 10, 20, 30 words to learn for this week.

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<v Ivan>I mean, if, you know, unless you had pronunciation guides, you had no idea really

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<v Ivan>how to pronounce a lot of words.

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<v Sam>Well, yes, and I will point out those two words are spelled differently.

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<v Ivan>They are spelled differently, but the reality is that you could read them in

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<v Ivan>either way. I mean, if you don't know the language that well.

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<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, there's the extra letter in exciting.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, but still.

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<v Sam>So it's the sound. So it's X-citing versus. Or sitting. X-itting.

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<v Ivan>But it's a C.

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<v Sam>It is a C. And Cs can be different things depending on all kinds of different things.

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<v Ivan>Exactly.

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<v Sam>There are some letters that have like four or five different ways to say them depending on the word.

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<v Ivan>But one thing but the one thing is that what I'm saying it's in Spanish you

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<v Ivan>know we take English and Spanish I mean you just you know all the letters sound

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<v Ivan>the same you learn the sounds and you put them together and you read it and

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<v Ivan>you should be able to you know read the words,

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<v Ivan>so that's the thing which brings me to like my but first Sam you're.

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<v Sam>Go for it yes yes.

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<v Ivan>My son laughing,

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<v Ivan>Appears to know Japanese.

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<v Sam>Now, how did this happen, Yvonne?

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<v Ivan>I'm pretty confident.

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<v Sam>Now, I swear, I saw a TikTok about another little kid who, like,

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<v Sam>was not speaking English, but, like, it turns out, oh, they picked up Japanese from TV.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he learned language that way.

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<v Ivan>Look, I learned English by just watching TV as well when I was little.

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<v Sam>Have you had him watching all kinds of Japanese TV shows in Japanese?

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<v Ivan>I haven't, but he has been on YouTube watching a lot of YouTube videos in Japanese

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<v Ivan>about stuff that he likes.

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<v Ivan>He kept finding all these videos about vehicles and things and whatever,

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<v Ivan>and these people playing with toy construction vehicles, all sorts of,

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<v Ivan>you know, all these videos about stuff that he likes in Japanese.

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<v Ivan>and you know i knew he knew words in japanese you

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<v Ivan>know because i had quizzed him on because i know that he saw and you

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<v Ivan>could i could ask him all sorts of construction vehicles and words and things

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<v Ivan>like you know and he he knew the right words okay i i checked the words and

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<v Ivan>i was like oh no so you know what a fire truck is a police car this way so i

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<v Ivan>was like you know but i wasn't I wasn't taking that he knew just the words into full sentences,

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<v Ivan>okay, into just language, into watching a clip from a Japanese TV show and knowing

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<v Ivan>what the fuck they're saying.

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<v Ivan>But the, but the thing is that I recently kept watching them,

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<v Ivan>you know, it came up that I stumbled across a video that visually was funny

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<v Ivan>from, you know, from these crazy Japanese game shows. Okay. All right.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Where they do all sorts of really crazy stuff. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And I saw this, and this was this thing about this person walking into an elevator.

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<v Ivan>Okay. thinking it's an elevator. And then all of a sudden, as she is just standing

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<v Ivan>there, the floor opens and they go down to slide into another room out of,

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<v Ivan>you know, to completely take it by surprise.

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<v Sam>Okay, interesting.

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<v Ivan>Yes. And so it was hilarious. And Manu watches the video and I hear him repeating what it says.

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<v Ivan>And then out of curiosity, because I'm hearing him really pronounce very well

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<v Ivan>what the Japanese announcers say.

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<v Ivan>And I ask him, hey, what is he saying in English? And he went very quickly and

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<v Ivan>translated what he said. And I checked, see if it was correct.

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<v Ivan>And lo and behold, yes, it was.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, just to be clear.

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<v Sam>By checking, how did you check?

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<v Ivan>I found something that there was a translation, subtitles or whatever,

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<v Ivan>where I could see what the fuck the guy was saying and it translated.

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<v Ivan>And it was, you know, it was what the guy was saying. It was right.

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<v Sam>So now what I'm...

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<v Ivan>And I found some other clips, whatever, and I found another clip But I asked

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<v Ivan>him again, hey, what does this guy say?

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<v Sam>Boom.

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<v Ivan>Translated what the fuck the guy was saying, too.

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<v Ivan>So, here's the thing, right?

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<v Ivan>So, you know, I had him watch a lot of videos in Spanish when he was growing up.

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<v Ivan>But I don't think that the material itself was the stuff that he really liked. Okay?

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So, he found this stuff that he really liked wasn't Japanese.

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<v Ivan>And so his Spanish is far, his Spanish is way worse than the Japanese.

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<v Sam>Now, what I suggested on the curmudgeon's corner slack when you first mentioned

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<v Sam>this is when are you going to find a native Japanese speaker to go have lunch with or something?

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<v Ivan>You know, I have, as a matter of fact, a few weeks ago, not a native Japanese

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<v Ivan>speaker, but I have a, I have a friend who worked with me.

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<v Ivan>I, I, I actually, I, I helped him with his career a couple of times,

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<v Ivan>you know, from Puerto Rico who lived in Japan for a couple of years and speaks Japanese. Okay.

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<v Ivan>I got to go and like get him to say, to, to, to, to talk to him.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Go, go have lunch or something. and like, you know, see how, see how it goes.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. You never know. Like it, it may unlock things that like,

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<v Sam>you know, he may, he may have conversations in Japanese that he's not willing

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<v Sam>to have in English. Right.

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<v Ivan>I'm not fucking moving to Japan.

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<v Sam>Hey, I know you're, you're working on the whole Spain thing,

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<v Sam>but Japan just wasn't on your agenda.

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Ivan>I don't speak the language. What, now I got to learn Japanese?

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<v Ivan>I mean, I guess I could try.

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<v Sam>Manu will translate for you. You're all cool. You don't have to know it yourself.

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<v Ivan>I could get those AirPods with a simultaneous translation. So I guess,

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<v Ivan>you know, that is a thing.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>So anyway, I, you know, yeah. You know, Japanese.

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<v Ivan>I don't, I, you know, he's struggled with language. a lot it's been hard you

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<v Ivan>know he still has speech regularly.

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<v Sam>You just weren't talking about the stuff that he was he was interested in.

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<v Ivan>Apparently not.

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<v Sam>You know so Japanese it is.

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<v Ivan>Japanese it is.

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<v Ivan>So the other thing I was going to mention I put this down as a topic but I put

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<v Ivan>it down more because I was going to talk about it a little bit like more duh,

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<v Ivan>but first is that I went to this I took my car to the shop that I had worked

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<v Ivan>on it done before for like the, the, the,

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<v Ivan>bullshit that I do to Karst anyway. Nothing really important what it is.

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<v Ivan>This guy is a Colombian immigrant. He's been here for a couple of years.

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<v Ivan>I was waiting for my wife to arrive, and we're talking about what the hell's going on with stuff.

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<v Ivan>I can't remember how this came up, but we started talking about everything that's

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<v Ivan>going on with immigration and health and some other stuff and whatever.

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<v Ivan>One thing that he told me, him as a business owner, He is from Columbia. He is here legally.

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<v Ivan>The thing is, he has a business in it, and it sells a pretty decent amount a month.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, he's telling me that because, you know, it's his own business,

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<v Ivan>health insurance is so expensive that he basically, you know,

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<v Ivan>he had gotten a quote just for himself. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And it's like $1,500 a month, something like that. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So for him and his wife, it was over $3,000 a month, something crazy. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So, but he told me that his solution that he is doing in terms of for a catastrophe

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<v Ivan>or something that he gets, say he gets diagnosed with cancer or something like that, for example.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So how, what's the solution to get treatment? Well, he told me that,

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<v Ivan>look, he keeps paying premiums for health insurance back in Columbia.

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<v Ivan>He has an active health insurance policy in Columbia.

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<v Ivan>And so his plan is, look, if I get diagnosed with something like that,

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<v Ivan>I'm going to go home to go get treatment because the premiums over there are

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<v Ivan>so much lower that I can afford to pay that and be covered just in case I have a catastrophe. Okay?

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<v Sam>Right. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But look at the ridiculous shit.

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<v Ivan>The extent that people have to go in order to get health insurance in this fucking country.

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<v Ivan>Okay. It's crazy. I just, you know, he told me that. And then one of the things

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<v Ivan>he was also talking is that he has as employees, two people that have been granted

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<v Ivan>asylum, I believe from Venezuela. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And the thing is that they have hearings at court next year for their asylum cases, okay?

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<v Ivan>And they entered, they were granted asylum. They came in legally.

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<v Ivan>They got granted. They were granted asylum. They came in legally or whatever.

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<v Ivan>They right now are almost, they're like, they don't want to go to the hearing.

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<v Sam>Right. Because they've been picking up people who have done everything right,

00:15:51.760 --> 00:15:56.160
<v Sam>jumped through every hoop they were asked for, picking them up at hearings and

00:15:56.160 --> 00:15:58.660
<v Sam>or even the naturalization ceremony.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>And picking them up and...

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<v Ivan>I haven't heard about naturalization ceremony. What I've heard is more like

00:16:06.640 --> 00:16:09.320
<v Ivan>the final green card interviews.

00:16:09.620 --> 00:16:12.520
<v Sam>They've done the green card interviews, but there was also an article,

00:16:12.520 --> 00:16:17.900
<v Sam>it was in Massachusetts where it happened most recently, where they...

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<v Sam>They I don't think they actually picked them up at the naturalization ceremony,

00:16:23.520 --> 00:16:28.880
<v Sam>but they canceled the naturalization ceremony at the last moment and then issued

00:16:28.880 --> 00:16:30.260
<v Sam>orders for them to be deported.

00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.620
<v Ivan>That's no that's that's that's wait.

00:16:33.780 --> 00:16:38.680
<v Ivan>But but I don't mean that's not even legal. You know, the reality is the ceremony

00:16:38.680 --> 00:16:43.140
<v Ivan>is more formality than anything else at that point. They've already been granted citizenship.

00:16:43.540 --> 00:16:47.340
<v Ivan>They've got papers that say they're granted citizenship. You go to the ceremony,

00:16:47.520 --> 00:16:51.700
<v Ivan>it's like, you know, you know, we talk about going to, you know,

00:16:51.820 --> 00:16:55.660
<v Ivan>when you go to that the president is president, even if he's we don't swear.

00:16:55.760 --> 00:16:57.880
<v Sam>Even if they haven't. Yes. Yes.

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<v Ivan>I mean, what I understood is the ceremony is basically kind of like that.

00:17:01.880 --> 00:17:05.820
<v Ivan>You already been granted fucking citizenship. It's not, you know.

00:17:05.820 --> 00:17:09.400
<v Sam>This was this was a couple of weeks ago where I saw an article, so I don't have it handy.

00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:15.600
<v Sam>But yeah, no, they were they were rescinding at the very last possible moment

00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:23.380
<v Sam>of someone who was like about to do the last legal steps, including the ceremony and and.

00:17:25.490 --> 00:17:26.710
<v Sam>Torpedoing it at the last second.

00:17:27.850 --> 00:17:31.390
<v Ivan>So, yeah, I mean, and the one thing that he told me was like,

00:17:32.670 --> 00:17:38.070
<v Ivan>OK, if I can't, if these guys can't stay here legally, OK, he's struggling to

00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:40.170
<v Ivan>figure out how the fuck he's going to hire people for the business.

00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:44.890
<v Ivan>He said it's like, I mean, I'm sorry, but it's not like I've got like,

00:17:45.050 --> 00:17:48.110
<v Ivan>it's not like I'm turning away U.S.

00:17:48.190 --> 00:17:49.250
<v Ivan>citizens for this job.

00:17:49.770 --> 00:17:50.170
<v Sam>Right.

00:17:50.870 --> 00:17:53.830
<v Ivan>You know, it's the kind of work that U.S.

00:17:53.850 --> 00:17:58.870
<v Ivan>citizens really are going out there and really, you know, banging at the door to get.

00:17:59.730 --> 00:18:00.210
<v Sam>Okay.

00:18:00.650 --> 00:18:08.850
<v Ivan>And so, yeah, that was just like my morning convo with, about that. It's just how, you know.

00:18:08.990 --> 00:18:10.010
<v Sam>What industry are we talking?

00:18:10.570 --> 00:18:15.430
<v Ivan>It's in the car detailing industry. Car, you know, they do car detailing,

00:18:15.570 --> 00:18:18.870
<v Ivan>they do car treatments and stuff or whatever. It's just aftermarket stuff.

00:18:19.010 --> 00:18:23.850
<v Ivan>You know, they work on expensive cars and things and they just do stuff to them.

00:18:23.850 --> 00:18:26.050
<v Ivan>But just, but it's just, it's...

00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:29.110
<v Sam>It feels like that, like, I mean...

00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.400
<v Sam>It feels like you could get Americans in that job.

00:18:33.520 --> 00:18:38.580
<v Ivan>You could. But there's not as many, is my point.

00:18:38.580 --> 00:18:39.780
<v Sam>No, yeah, I understand.

00:18:39.820 --> 00:18:44.060
<v Ivan>It makes it far more difficult to recruit and keep.

00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:47.880
<v Sam>Well, in a lot of these things, the answer, of course, is you probably could,

00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:53.700
<v Sam>but you'd have to pay them so much that it becomes uneconomical or something.

00:18:53.700 --> 00:18:58.120
<v Ivan>Well, the thing is that a lot of people, look, these were legal immigrants,

00:18:58.280 --> 00:18:59.840
<v Ivan>okay, that are doing this work, okay?

00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:03.100
<v Ivan>And it's just, it's one of those things that, it's one of those things that

00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:06.840
<v Ivan>people that, especially if they're struggling still with the language,

00:19:07.080 --> 00:19:09.580
<v Ivan>you're struggling with getting acclimated to the country, they don't,

00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:13.140
<v Ivan>they maybe not, don't have the right certifications, education or whatever.

00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:17.740
<v Ivan>It's the kind of jobs that a lot of these people go for. And it's like what we're talking about,

00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.300
<v Ivan>you know, we're talking a little bit about how they go and they try to say that,

00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:26.280
<v Ivan>you know, that these people this week, they were talking about how these people

00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:31.460
<v Ivan>are coming in and why is the price of houses so expensive?

00:19:31.780 --> 00:19:35.480
<v Ivan>Oh, because they're coming in and buying the houses. Look, let me tell you something.

00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:40.980
<v Ivan>None of these people are coming in and buying $700,000 houses.

00:19:41.500 --> 00:19:46.740
<v Ivan>You know, they can't get mortgages. They don't grant mortgages to non-U.S.

00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:51.100
<v Ivan>citizens. It's one of the requirements of fucking getting a damn mortgage is

00:19:51.100 --> 00:19:54.980
<v Ivan>you've got to show citizenship or legal.

00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:58.820
<v Ivan>You know, you have to have, you know, you need legal status.

00:19:59.540 --> 00:20:02.800
<v Sam>I'm sure your illegal migrants are just paying cash for them.

00:20:02.860 --> 00:20:07.120
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. And that was the funny thing. We're saying they're paying

00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:10.160
<v Ivan>cash. But at the same time, somehow they're all on welfare, too.

00:20:10.520 --> 00:20:16.540
<v Sam>Right. Oh, of course. Yes. You know, they're using their welfare checks to buy to.

00:20:16.540 --> 00:20:18.680
<v Ivan>Go buy the $700,000 houses.

00:20:18.940 --> 00:20:19.340
<v Sam>Yes.

00:20:19.840 --> 00:20:20.500
<v Ivan>In cash.

00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:21.460
<v Sam>In cash.

00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:31.900
<v Ivan>And it's just, you know, and, you know, and what he said is he was talking about, man,

00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:39.120
<v Ivan>you know, him as an immigrant himself, okay, just talking about these fucking

00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:41.780
<v Ivan>people talk like we're a whole bunch of lazy fucks coming over here,

00:20:42.220 --> 00:20:44.580
<v Ivan>just leeching, mooching off the government.

00:20:45.740 --> 00:20:50.120
<v Ivan>It's nothing even remotely, not even remotely close. They can't even get health care, Sam.

00:20:50.620 --> 00:20:51.100
<v Sam>Right.

00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:53.160
<v Ivan>They can't even get fucking health care.

00:20:54.200 --> 00:21:00.820
<v Sam>So, yeah, as I've said many times when we end up talking about immigration,

00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:05.120
<v Sam>the people who actually have the

00:21:05.120 --> 00:21:08.860
<v Sam>motivation and fortitude to pick

00:21:08.860 --> 00:21:14.460
<v Sam>up their entire lives and move across the world to a whole different country

00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:20.260
<v Sam>where often they don't know the language and are starting from scratch are the

00:21:20.260 --> 00:21:25.780
<v Sam>people who show the kind of qualities that you want.

00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:29.660
<v Ivan>They are the guys that really believe in the American dream.

00:21:30.220 --> 00:21:30.680
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:21:30.840 --> 00:21:36.020
<v Ivan>Like, I mean, they really believe in it, you know? And it's an American dream,

00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:38.420
<v Ivan>you know, on the back of hard work.

00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:44.140
<v Ivan>Not, you know, not giveaways. Hard work.

00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:47.340
<v Ivan>you know but this guy

00:21:47.340 --> 00:21:50.500
<v Ivan>i'm not you know well i

00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.300
<v Ivan>am actually he's here legally nobody did johnny who i was talking

00:21:53.300 --> 00:21:56.160
<v Ivan>to today and you know he's built

00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:02.520
<v Ivan>up a business with him his wife you know his kids sometimes work there you know

00:22:02.520 --> 00:22:06.840
<v Ivan>because it started from a smaller shop built it into a bigger shop he's got

00:22:06.840 --> 00:22:11.920
<v Ivan>to be doing like right now like you know over a million dollars in business

00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.720
<v Ivan>over there you know, doing work on cars and stuff or whatever,

00:22:15.520 --> 00:22:19.940
<v Ivan>you know, hard work every day in the shop every day. Yeah.

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:24.740
<v Ivan>And you know, what I hear from these people, you know, you hear how they're,

00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:29.780
<v Ivan>they're taking their jobs, taking our homes or taking our whatever every fucking day.

00:22:30.340 --> 00:22:33.940
<v Ivan>There's nothing, nothing even remotely of the sort. There's people just coming

00:22:33.940 --> 00:22:37.220
<v Ivan>over to go break their backs, doing jobs that most Americans don't want.

00:22:37.860 --> 00:22:40.020
<v Ivan>Simple as that. Simple as that.

00:22:41.110 --> 00:22:48.890
<v Ivan>So, yeah, so that was my morning convo after I jumped my son off to lunch,

00:22:49.350 --> 00:22:51.490
<v Ivan>you know. So, I mean to lunch.

00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:54.730
<v Sam>To school. To school. To school. Lunch school.

00:22:55.230 --> 00:22:58.710
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, there was lunch afterwards. Yeah, I took him lunch bag.

00:22:58.970 --> 00:23:01.950
<v Ivan>I sent him, well, because of his food allergies, we sent his food.

00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:04.770
<v Ivan>That's one of, so he'd pack his lunch.

00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:15.390
<v Sam>There you go. So meanwhile, my son is not at school right now because he decided to stay up all night.

00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:19.170
<v Sam>Like we all fell asleep. He was up all night.

00:23:20.110 --> 00:23:26.210
<v Sam>He was still awake at eight in the morning, you know, and then he finally like

00:23:26.210 --> 00:23:30.790
<v Sam>went to sleep around eight, eight 30 in the morning and there was no getting him up again.

00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:35.070
<v Sam>So school did not happen today. I sent in a note to school.

00:23:35.430 --> 00:23:41.550
<v Ivan>Oh, wow. So anyway, we got more movies, Sam.

00:23:41.730 --> 00:23:43.050
<v Sam>We got more movies.

00:23:43.470 --> 00:23:43.970
<v Ivan>All right.

00:23:44.090 --> 00:23:47.970
<v Sam>Let's let's let's first stop that I watched at the end of January.

00:23:48.810 --> 00:23:51.890
<v Sam>Oh, of course. Now my son's waking up.

00:23:52.150 --> 00:23:52.370
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:23:52.510 --> 00:23:59.830
<v Sam>He's here now. Anyway, first up watched at the end of January from 1977.

00:24:01.410 --> 00:24:02.470
<v Sam>Oh, God.

00:24:03.250 --> 00:24:04.470
<v Ivan>Oh, my God.

00:24:05.590 --> 00:24:07.650
<v Sam>There you go. Exactly. With George Burns.

00:24:07.830 --> 00:24:08.850
<v Ivan>George Burns.

00:24:09.090 --> 00:24:10.170
<v Sam>George Burns.

00:24:10.410 --> 00:24:12.250
<v Ivan>I remember watching that movie.

00:24:12.950 --> 00:24:13.310
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:24:13.430 --> 00:24:16.830
<v Ivan>Wait, back when? I'm pretty sure I haven't watched it since then.

00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:24.150
<v Sam>Yeah, I think this is one of the ones where I had probably seen parts of it, like, over the years.

00:24:24.430 --> 00:24:25.630
<v Ivan>Well, I know that I watched the whole movie.

00:24:25.870 --> 00:24:27.810
<v Sam>I don't know that I'd seen the whole thing.

00:24:27.890 --> 00:24:31.710
<v Ivan>This one, I'm positive I watched the whole movie. It was on HBO.

00:24:31.810 --> 00:24:32.970
<v Ivan>That's where I watched it.

00:24:33.350 --> 00:24:33.970
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:34.610
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:34.930
<v Sam>And?

00:24:35.250 --> 00:24:36.910
<v Ivan>That was when we had the little HBO.

00:24:36.930 --> 00:24:37.410
<v Sam>Do you have thoughts about the movie?

00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:42.670
<v Ivan>By the way, the one thing that we had, this is at the time, where HBO was like

00:24:42.670 --> 00:24:45.190
<v Ivan>on channel like three, something like that.

00:24:45.330 --> 00:24:48.890
<v Ivan>But you needed this little decoder thing that you plugged into.

00:24:49.810 --> 00:24:52.570
<v Ivan>The cable came in and you plugged it in.

00:24:52.850 --> 00:24:57.710
<v Ivan>And then you, the cable coming down from that went to that little Y splitter thing.

00:24:57.850 --> 00:25:02.690
<v Ivan>You remember we had that little box thing that was like the little Y things

00:25:02.690 --> 00:25:06.890
<v Ivan>that went into the back of the TV, you know, because you were used to plug in an antenna.

00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:13.850
<v Ivan>So that was how that went into the TV. And so this box, all the sole function

00:25:13.850 --> 00:25:18.390
<v Ivan>of this box is when you tune to the channel where HBO was, it was kind of fuzzy.

00:25:19.190 --> 00:25:25.490
<v Ivan>So you turn the box to on and it unscrambled the signal. Okay.

00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:29.310
<v Ivan>Right. So that was like how you got HBO back then.

00:25:29.410 --> 00:25:29.790
<v Sam>Right. Right.

00:25:29.890 --> 00:25:32.690
<v Ivan>At least in Puerto Rico in the late 70s. Okay.

00:25:32.830 --> 00:25:33.330
<v Sam>Yes. Okay.

00:25:33.370 --> 00:25:38.970
<v Ivan>And so I watched the movie and what I remember, I remember it was funny.

00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:43.370
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. a whole bunch of things happened to what was his name uh the

00:25:43.370 --> 00:25:50.930
<v Ivan>the blonde guy the whatever uh oh god was what was the guy's name the the john denver it.

00:25:50.930 --> 00:25:52.430
<v Sam>Was john denver uh.

00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.250
<v Ivan>Yes i thought you were reaching for the character name no no no no for john

00:25:56.250 --> 00:26:00.390
<v Ivan>john denver all the stupid follies that happened to him like during the time

00:26:00.390 --> 00:26:04.170
<v Ivan>and everybody thought that he was completely crazy and you know the movie is

00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:06.270
<v Ivan>what i remember the movie was funny,

00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:12.550
<v Ivan>For my memory, I would give it a thumbs up, but I haven't watched it in like

00:26:12.550 --> 00:26:15.490
<v Ivan>40 years. Holy shit. Almost 40 years.

00:26:16.830 --> 00:26:20.690
<v Sam>Yeah. I think my thought, I'm not going to give it a thumbs up.

00:26:20.830 --> 00:26:29.070
<v Sam>I mean, it was okay, I guess, but it really did feel very dated. It did not feel like.

00:26:29.070 --> 00:26:30.030
<v Ivan>Also 1977.

00:26:30.030 --> 00:26:38.170
<v Sam>I know it's 1977, but like some old movies really hold up and some don't.

00:26:38.290 --> 00:26:41.970
<v Ivan>It wasn't an Academy Award winning movie from 1977.

00:26:42.510 --> 00:26:42.830
<v Sam>Well, no.

00:26:43.310 --> 00:26:45.550
<v Ivan>Did it get any awards by any chance?

00:26:45.850 --> 00:26:48.390
<v Sam>Did it get any awards? Let me scroll down.

00:26:48.410 --> 00:26:48.850
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:26:49.430 --> 00:26:54.450
<v Sam>It received an Oscar nomination for best adapted screenplay.

00:26:54.630 --> 00:26:57.250
<v Ivan>Oh, look at that. Holy shit. I didn't realize that.

00:26:57.250 --> 00:27:04.150
<v Sam>A Saturn Award for Best Writing, the Writers Guild Award for Best Comedy Adapted

00:27:04.150 --> 00:27:05.910
<v Sam>from Another Medium. So I guess like.

00:27:06.070 --> 00:27:10.630
<v Ivan>Okay, shit. So, okay. So it was more regarded than I recall. Okay.

00:27:10.810 --> 00:27:13.870
<v Sam>And it was adapted. So like what? Was it a book?

00:27:14.530 --> 00:27:15.410
<v Ivan>Or a play? What was this?

00:27:15.570 --> 00:27:21.930
<v Sam>A play? What was this? Based on the 1971 novel by Avery Corman. So, okay.

00:27:22.070 --> 00:27:22.270
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:27:22.630 --> 00:27:27.490
<v Sam>So it was a book at some point. Yeah, like, I just felt like,

00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:32.370
<v Sam>I don't know. Like you could see where some of the stuff might've been funny

00:27:32.370 --> 00:27:36.830
<v Sam>or whatever, but like, I felt like it was.

00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:41.570
<v Ivan>The one scene that I remember was funny was the one where the car got flooded where he wanted Ray.

00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:42.030
<v Sam>Yes.

00:27:42.090 --> 00:27:43.650
<v Ivan>There was a scene in his car.

00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:45.170
<v Sam>Yes. Yes.

00:27:45.290 --> 00:27:46.010
<v Ivan>That was funny.

00:27:46.690 --> 00:27:52.110
<v Sam>I, you know, and you know, the other thing that got me and this,

00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:56.590
<v Sam>this is coming from me as a very secular, non-religious person.

00:27:57.310 --> 00:28:00.210
<v Sam>the fact that it actually took sort of

00:28:00.210 --> 00:28:04.250
<v Sam>the religious part of this somewhat seriously like

00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:07.110
<v Sam>the you know god came down and was giving a

00:28:07.110 --> 00:28:11.590
<v Sam>new message to the people and all this kind of stuff so it was a comedy and

00:28:11.590 --> 00:28:19.170
<v Sam>all but you know it it treated the religious aspects with i don't know i'm sure

00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:24.250
<v Sam>it was controversial anyway for not like being not treating god as seriously

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:26.650
<v Sam>as they could But at the same time,

00:28:26.870 --> 00:28:28.790
<v Sam>it was sort of like,

00:28:29.090 --> 00:28:37.870
<v Sam>I don't know, if they tried to make this today, it would be different, I think,

00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:40.270
<v Sam>you know, in a variety of different ways.

00:28:40.270 --> 00:28:44.530
<v Ivan>Well, I don't think you could get the movie made today. I got to tell you that right now.

00:28:44.570 --> 00:28:46.250
<v Sam>Probably not. Yeah.

00:28:46.650 --> 00:28:51.310
<v Ivan>In large part because they didn't take that, even though they did include the

00:28:51.310 --> 00:28:54.210
<v Ivan>religious aspect, they didn't really take God that seriously.

00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:59.590
<v Sam>Well, because here's what you had back then. You had a significant part of the

00:28:59.590 --> 00:29:05.230
<v Sam>population that were quote-unquote mainstream Christianity,

00:29:05.690 --> 00:29:12.850
<v Sam>whereas you still have some of that, but the percentage of the population has declined.

00:29:12.850 --> 00:29:16.370
<v Sam>And what you've had is a divergence into either folks that,

00:29:19.070 --> 00:29:25.370
<v Sam>Or are sort of the crazy right-wing Christians. And the people who are in the middle.

00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:31.450
<v Ivan>So nobody would be happy with this movie. Right. None of them would be happy.

00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:39.330
<v Sam>This was aimed squarely at folks who were sort of religious in the sense of

00:29:39.330 --> 00:29:41.810
<v Sam>going to the church all the time.

00:29:41.810 --> 00:29:47.750
<v Sam>and sort of had the general beliefs but weren't dogmatic about it and weren't

00:29:47.750 --> 00:29:55.690
<v Sam>wanting to impose their beliefs on everybody necessarily and weren't the literalists

00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:57.870
<v Sam>or, you know, or whatever.

00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:01.350
<v Sam>You know, it was sort of—and that group, it still exists. I mean,

00:30:01.450 --> 00:30:06.110
<v Sam>the denomination my mother is a part of is that kind of, you know,

00:30:06.730 --> 00:30:11.690
<v Sam>mainstream sort of liberal-ish Christianity or centrist Christianity even.

00:30:11.810 --> 00:30:18.310
<v Sam>But those groups have declined relative to conservative Christians and the secular

00:30:18.310 --> 00:30:20.310
<v Sam>folks who aren't religious at all.

00:30:20.630 --> 00:30:26.570
<v Sam>And and so, like, this kind of thing, I think that that might be part of the

00:30:26.570 --> 00:30:32.450
<v Sam>reason it feels dated, in fact, like that it represents this sort of this view

00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:34.410
<v Sam>of religion that is something that just.

00:30:34.410 --> 00:30:37.170
<v Ivan>Really doesn't exist that much anymore. Yeah.

00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:46.360
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, I don't want to. It does still exist. It's just it's declined since the 70s.

00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Ivan>It's declined a lot, Sam, a lot.

00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Sam>And, you know, and I don't know, like maybe it's just I didn't appreciate the

00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.120
<v Sam>specific types of humor as well.

00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.980
<v Sam>I mean, I'm not saying it was bad, so maybe I'll give it a thumb sideways,

00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:06.700
<v Sam>but not a thumbs up. I wasn't like coming out of it.

00:31:06.740 --> 00:31:11.780
<v Sam>I wasn't laughing out loud. I wasn't like, oh man, that was awesome. I want to see it again.

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Sam>You know, the sequels are now on my list. Of course, there are two sequels.

00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:17.420
<v Sam>Oh God, book two from 1980.

00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Ivan>I remember the sequels were not.

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:20.620
<v Sam>And Oh God, you devil from 84.

00:31:20.620 --> 00:31:21.360
<v Ivan>The sequels were not.

00:31:22.620 --> 00:31:26.800
<v Ivan>None of those sequels are very good. I mean, that I recall, compared to the

00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:33.120
<v Ivan>original one, look, if you didn't like this one, you're not going to like the sequels.

00:31:34.520 --> 00:31:37.500
<v Ivan>I got to tell you that right off the bat.

00:31:37.840 --> 00:31:42.940
<v Sam>Oh, and I've neglected reading the beginning of the plot summary from Wikipedia, so I should do that.

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:48.840
<v Sam>God appears as a kindly old man to Jerry Landers, an assistant supermarket manager.

00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:54.040
<v Sam>He tells Jerry that he has been selected to be his messenger to the modern world,

00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Sam>much like a contemporary Moses.

00:31:57.060 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Sam>Landers tells his wife, children, and a religious editor of the Los Angeles

00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.040
<v Sam>Times of his encounters with God and becomes a natural icon of comedic fodder.

00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:12.860
<v Sam>Jerry appears on television with Dinah Shore. Yes, national icon.

00:32:12.860 --> 00:32:18.840
<v Sam>and describes the look God takes when he encounters him the next day after Jerry

00:32:18.840 --> 00:32:20.220
<v Sam>is stranded from a car break down.

00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:25.300
<v Ivan>Yeah, and they do a sketch on the show. Yeah, and then they showed a movie,

00:32:25.340 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Ivan>and then the audience is like, burst out laughing because nobody believed him.

00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:30.760
<v Ivan>They all thought he was nuts.

00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:35.200
<v Sam>God appears as a taxi driver to take him home where they are met by a bunch

00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:36.500
<v Sam>of chanting religious nuts.

00:32:36.840 --> 00:32:41.380
<v Sam>Before he disappears, God consoles Jerry that he has the strength that comes from knowing.

00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Sam>Landers finds his life turned upside down as a group of theologians attempt to discredit him.

00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Sam>They challenge him to answer a series of questions in Aramaic while locked in

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.800
<v Sam>a hotel room alone to prove God is contacting him directly.

00:32:56.060 --> 00:33:02.460
<v Sam>After an agonizing wait, God delivers food to Jerry and answers the questions, dot, dot, dot.

00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Sam>It continues, et cetera, and, you know, adventures ensue.

00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.100
<v Sam>Yeah, so thumb sideways for Oh God.

00:33:10.760 --> 00:33:14.700
<v Sam>And one more, one more movie, because I'm trying desperately to catch up.

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Sam>From 1946, this time from the AFI list, 1998 rank number 11.

00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Sam>For the 2000 list, it has slipped to number 20.

00:33:28.520 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Sam>Oh, and by the way, updates on the 2000 list, or the 2007 list,

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.660
<v Sam>Alex and I are already up to, or down to 93.

00:33:40.260 --> 00:33:41.900
<v Sam>And I'll also give another update.

00:33:42.560 --> 00:33:46.100
<v Sam>We're working our way through Law and Order as well. We just finished season five.

00:33:47.300 --> 00:33:49.080
<v Sam>So we're working our way.

00:33:49.260 --> 00:33:53.340
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ. Only season five. Okay. Well, that's not bad, actually, considering.

00:33:53.540 --> 00:34:01.700
<v Sam>Yeah. I think we're going faster than one season per year. Yeah. So.

00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:05.320
<v Ivan>Well, I guess maybe, you know, you have some extra time lately to catch up.

00:34:07.020 --> 00:34:14.340
<v Sam>Well, and also right now, at the moment, three of the shows we were watching, we finished.

00:34:14.600 --> 00:34:19.260
<v Sam>But because I'm behind in logging my stuff, we haven't replaced them yet.

00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:22.420
<v Sam>So there are fewer shows to pick from when we're picking shows.

00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Sam>So each one of them is moving faster as well.

00:34:25.220 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Sam>So anyway, this movie from 1946, ranked 11 on the 1998 list,

00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:34.340
<v Sam>is It's a Wonderful Life.

00:34:35.890 --> 00:34:40.110
<v Ivan>You know what? I'm not sure I've watched It's a Wonderful Life.

00:34:40.870 --> 00:34:45.590
<v Sam>This is another one where I'm going to answer. You don't think so?

00:34:46.910 --> 00:34:51.650
<v Ivan>Probably I've seen, I've been like with you, where I saw clips, but not the movie.

00:34:51.970 --> 00:34:54.490
<v Sam>Right. And I think that was my case with It's a Wonderful Life 2.

00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:56.570
<v Sam>I'm pretty sure I'd seen bits and pieces of it.

00:34:56.770 --> 00:35:01.390
<v Sam>I'd probably seen the ending after flipping through channels and I watched the

00:35:01.390 --> 00:35:04.590
<v Sam>end. And, you know, I may have seen little bits back and forth,

00:35:04.690 --> 00:35:07.390
<v Sam>but I don't think I'd seen it end to end.

00:35:07.970 --> 00:35:08.550
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah.

00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:15.070
<v Sam>Anyway, classic Christmas movie. Let me start this time with the plot summary, the beginning of it.

00:35:16.050 --> 00:35:22.630
<v Sam>On Christmas Eve, 1945, in Bedford Falls, New York, George Bailey contemplates suicide.

00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:27.590
<v Sam>The prayers of his family and friends reach heaven, where guardian angel second

00:35:27.590 --> 00:35:33.790
<v Sam>class Claris Oddbody is assigned to save George in order to earn his wings.

00:35:34.370 --> 00:35:37.190
<v Sam>Clarence has shown flashbacks of George's life.

00:35:37.390 --> 00:35:41.350
<v Sam>He watches 12-year-old George rescue his younger brother Harry from drowning

00:35:41.350 --> 00:35:44.950
<v Sam>in a frozen pond, leaving George with deafness in his left ear.

00:35:45.570 --> 00:35:49.790
<v Sam>George later saves pharmacist Mr. Gower from accidentally poisoning a customer.

00:35:50.210 --> 00:35:55.550
<v Sam>In 1928, George plans a world tour before college. He is reintroduced to Mary

00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:57.410
<v Sam>Hatch, who has loved him since childhood.

00:35:57.750 --> 00:36:02.330
<v Sam>When his father dies from a stroke, George postpones his travel to settle the

00:36:02.330 --> 00:36:04.650
<v Sam>family business, Bailey Brothers Building and Loan.

00:36:05.870 --> 00:36:10.290
<v Sam>Avaricious board member Henry F. Potter, who owns most of the town,

00:36:10.450 --> 00:36:14.610
<v Sam>seeks to dissolve the company, but the board of directors votes to keep it open if George runs it.

00:36:14.950 --> 00:36:18.870
<v Sam>George works alongside his uncle Billy, giving his tuition savings to Harry

00:36:18.870 --> 00:36:22.690
<v Sam>with the understanding that Harry will take over the company when he returns.

00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:27.970
<v Sam>One more paragraph. Harry returns from college married and with a job offer

00:36:27.970 --> 00:36:32.470
<v Sam>from his father-in-law, and George resigns himself to running the building and loan.

00:36:32.810 --> 00:36:36.730
<v Sam>George and Mary rekindle their relationship in Mary, but abandon their honeymoon

00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:40.190
<v Sam>to use the savings to keep the company solvent.

00:36:40.430 --> 00:36:43.730
<v Sam>During a run on the bank, dot, dot, dot, things continue.

00:36:44.990 --> 00:36:47.410
<v Sam>And spoilers, it does have a happy ending.

00:36:48.290 --> 00:36:52.750
<v Sam>Anyway, you know, this is a classic Christmas movie. I think it's a classic

00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:54.590
<v Sam>Christmas movie for a reason.

00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:56.830
<v Sam>It's good.

00:36:59.570 --> 00:37:04.490
<v Sam>It's definitely like we're talking about dated movies. This is dated, but in a different way.

00:37:04.810 --> 00:37:09.590
<v Sam>This is dated in that, oh, okay, this is obviously set in the 1940s.

00:37:09.590 --> 00:37:16.250
<v Sam>You know, it's not a modern movie. It's a little bit slower in the style,

00:37:16.930 --> 00:37:18.410
<v Sam>you know, etc., etc., etc.

00:37:18.810 --> 00:37:26.890
<v Sam>But it still hits the emotional strings it's supposed to.

00:37:27.030 --> 00:37:29.150
<v Sam>You still feel sympathetic to the characters.

00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:32.990
<v Sam>This one has a little bit of a religious undertone, too. I mean,

00:37:33.070 --> 00:37:34.770
<v Sam>there are angels in it, for God's sake.

00:37:35.150 --> 00:37:38.110
<v Sam>But, you know, it's not overwhelming.

00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:41.050
<v Sam>And, you know, it basically...

00:37:42.810 --> 00:37:47.830
<v Sam>Again, spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen this movie from, you know, 80 years ago.

00:37:49.330 --> 00:37:52.890
<v Sam>It's, this guy is all down on himself because he didn't get out,

00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:54.570
<v Sam>get what he wanted out of life.

00:37:54.790 --> 00:37:59.870
<v Sam>But then, you know, he's basically shown the positive effect he's had on the

00:37:59.870 --> 00:38:01.690
<v Sam>life of so many other people.

00:38:02.370 --> 00:38:08.950
<v Sam>You know, and teaches a little lesson, makes you feel like a little warm inside.

00:38:08.950 --> 00:38:12.850
<v Sam>The guy, like, you know, feels better about himself at the end, etc.

00:38:13.450 --> 00:38:17.790
<v Sam>You know, it's and it is stylized like movies of that time.

00:38:17.990 --> 00:38:23.250
<v Sam>But, you know, it's a fine movie. Thumbs up. Thumbs up.

00:38:23.830 --> 00:38:29.390
<v Sam>OK, I will make one other note. There is a point where there are two characters

00:38:29.390 --> 00:38:33.510
<v Sam>talking to each other that are not the main character.

00:38:33.730 --> 00:38:39.510
<v Sam>They're sort of side characters, but they're talking to each other and they're named Bert and Ernie.

00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:40.770
<v Ivan>Ah!

00:38:41.810 --> 00:38:47.670
<v Sam>And they're bantering back and forth and you realize that, wait a second,

00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:56.010
<v Sam>this, like, some of how they interact with each other quite possibly was an

00:38:56.010 --> 00:38:59.050
<v Sam>inspiration for the Sesame Street characters.

00:38:59.410 --> 00:38:59.830
<v Ivan>Interesting.

00:39:00.070 --> 00:39:08.390
<v Sam>Okay. And then I saw recently a clip of a Sesame Street holiday special,

00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:16.430
<v Sam>where Bert and Ernie walk past a TV in the shop that is playing the scene of

00:39:16.430 --> 00:39:18.650
<v Sam>Bert and Ernie in this movie talking to each other.

00:39:19.270 --> 00:39:19.670
<v Ivan>Nice!

00:39:20.150 --> 00:39:23.630
<v Sam>Anyway, so, fun stuff.

00:39:23.850 --> 00:39:28.230
<v Ivan>I loved Bert and Ernie. I remember they were one of my favorites when I was

00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:29.570
<v Ivan>growing up, I must admit.

00:39:30.830 --> 00:39:32.770
<v Sam>They're they're they're good.

00:39:32.770 --> 00:39:36.670
<v Ivan>They're good hilarious love to watch burton ernie.

00:39:38.130 --> 00:39:41.990
<v Sam>Yeah i i'm definitely like yes and

00:39:41.990 --> 00:39:46.750
<v Sam>and of course there are other you know you you can you can you can map them

00:39:46.750 --> 00:39:51.450
<v Sam>towards the odd couple as well yeah yeah yeah there are a variety of other sort

00:39:51.450 --> 00:39:56.610
<v Sam>of characters you can map into and then of course there's been the age old you

00:39:56.610 --> 00:39:59.930
<v Sam>know are burton Ernie gay? Are they a couple?

00:40:00.810 --> 00:40:04.890
<v Sam>And of course there's a whole, you know, there are people who like,

00:40:05.310 --> 00:40:07.090
<v Sam>you know, give all the evidence for.

00:40:07.250 --> 00:40:11.530
<v Sam>Now, Sesame Street's official position is that they are puppets.

00:40:12.310 --> 00:40:12.490
<v Ivan>Right!

00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:17.690
<v Sam>Thank you very much. And that you don't need to think quite this deeply about

00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:20.670
<v Sam>this question. Yes. But, anyway.

00:40:20.990 --> 00:40:26.730
<v Ivan>Let's just say the odd couple. I was watching it the other day for some reason. It was on TV.

00:40:26.730 --> 00:40:29.710
<v Sam>Now, there have been many versions of the article.

00:40:29.710 --> 00:40:32.290
<v Ivan>Too. Well, I'm talking about the Walter Matthau, Jack Lepp.

00:40:32.370 --> 00:40:34.370
<v Sam>Oh, the movie version, not the TV version.

00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:40.170
<v Ivan>Yeah, the movie version. I got to say that if Sam and I had lived together,

00:40:40.390 --> 00:40:42.730
<v Ivan>that may have been us. Oh, my God.

00:40:43.370 --> 00:40:45.370
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. It would have been.

00:40:46.330 --> 00:40:52.970
<v Ivan>I mean, that would have been. Yeah. I was like, what the hell? Jesus Christ.

00:40:54.130 --> 00:40:59.330
<v Ivan>But look, I was wise. I saw how Sam lived on his own.

00:41:01.450 --> 00:41:07.090
<v Ivan>Unless I was in poverty in some way that I could not afford my own place.

00:41:07.270 --> 00:41:11.530
<v Ivan>And I'm sure that Sam would not have let me sleep on the streets. I'm pretty sure.

00:41:12.470 --> 00:41:15.410
<v Ivan>I'm pretty confident that, you know, that that would have happened.

00:41:15.730 --> 00:41:18.830
<v Ivan>That, you know, I would not have moved in with him. However,

00:41:19.090 --> 00:41:21.870
<v Ivan>I know that I would have driven him crazy if I lived there because...

00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:28.180
<v Ivan>I would have been, hell, I drive my wife crazy because I'm, you know,

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Ivan>I'm constantly like, why the fuck is this thing over here?

00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:36.240
<v Ivan>Why did you, like, just everything must be, by the way, in that,

00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:40.060
<v Ivan>in that note, aside from my son learning Japanese the same way I learned English,

00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:42.720
<v Ivan>he also keeps picking up after his mom.

00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Sam>Okay.

00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:44.240
<v Ivan>Also.

00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:44.580
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:41:44.600 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Ivan>So he's got both, he's like, he got both.

00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.600
<v Ivan>She'll forget to close a door in a closet and Madhu was like right behind her,

00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:55.460
<v Ivan>wham, they're closing. What are you doing?

00:41:55.560 --> 00:42:00.520
<v Sam>I will say it would be nice actually to have somebody in the family who was

00:42:00.520 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Sam>a neat freak because while I am not capable of actually keeping things nice

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.520
<v Sam>and tidy, I have come to learn that about myself.

00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:15.820
<v Sam>I do appreciate a place that is and I feel better when I am in a place that is.

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:22.040
<v Ivan>I will say that Sam, the times that I came into his place and I did go and do

00:42:22.040 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Ivan>cleaning, was not really displeased.

00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:27.080
<v Sam>Right.

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:27.820
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:42:28.020 --> 00:42:30.940
<v Sam>Like, it's not like I hate a clean place.

00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:34.220
<v Ivan>It's just that it doesn't come out of you naturally.

00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:36.180
<v Sam>It does not come out of you naturally.

00:42:36.180 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Ivan>And if I left it for you clean, you would be like, oh, this is nice.

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:40.200
<v Sam>Yes.

00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:40.560
<v Ivan>I like this.

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:45.580
<v Sam>And it would last for approximately three hours, and then it would be trashed. But, you know.

00:42:46.060 --> 00:42:49.100
<v Ivan>No, no, no. Some of the things I did last a lot longer.

00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.680
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. And yes, anyway,

00:42:53.940 --> 00:43:01.940
<v Sam>it's, you know, I, and, you know, a few, and I actually don't necessarily mind

00:43:01.940 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Sam>the physical acts of cleaning either.

00:43:05.220 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Sam>However, what, what I and everybody in this household is missing is the ability

00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:16.680
<v Sam>to do that sort of spontaneously as other things go on.

00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:19.260
<v Ivan>And on a consistent basis, right.

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:21.120
<v Sam>Right, as opposed to, like...

00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Sam>If I decide, okay, I am cleaning now, I will go spend some time cleaning.

00:43:27.680 --> 00:43:29.520
<v Sam>I will clean a specific area out.

00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:37.220
<v Sam>But that is an entirely different skill than, you know, I finish something and

00:43:37.220 --> 00:43:42.300
<v Sam>when I'm finished, I put it away instead of just dropping it where it is until

00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Sam>the next time I actually am cleaning.

00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.460
<v Ivan>And it's a thing of like your method of like working through your task list.

00:43:47.620 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Ivan>Look, I realized the other day that you said that you were going to do Wordle. Okay. All right.

00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:56.300
<v Ivan>And that you put it on your task list. And I realized that a number of days

00:43:56.300 --> 00:43:58.060
<v Ivan>have elapsed that you have not done it.

00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Ivan>And I realized that it's on his task list. And because of the way and method

00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:09.540
<v Ivan>that he arrives at doing things, he may not do Wordle again until 2026.

00:44:10.540 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Sam>Right now, Wordle, and we talked a few weeks ago about my to-do list mechanism

00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:17.860
<v Sam>and the randomization and all that.

00:44:18.140 --> 00:44:22.160
<v Sam>It has been two days, 20 hours, and eight minutes since the last time I did Wordle.

00:44:22.520 --> 00:44:29.420
<v Sam>And if I would roll to pick a task to do right now, Wordle has a .296 chance

00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Sam>of coming up as the task gets picked.

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:35.500
<v Ivan>Yeah, so I'm accurate. It's highly likely that I will not see you do another

00:44:35.500 --> 00:44:39.140
<v Ivan>Wordle until 2026, given the few number of days.

00:44:39.540 --> 00:44:43.640
<v Sam>It's only a few weeks away. So, yeah, it's possible.

00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:50.900
<v Sam>I mean, I am picking tasks most days, like, you know, maybe 15, 20 times.

00:44:51.140 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Sam>So, like, something that has, like, a .2, .3 chance can come up.

00:44:55.420 --> 00:45:00.060
<v Ivan>It can come up, but I got a good shot at seeing you at 2026.

00:45:00.460 --> 00:45:02.100
<v Sam>You do. You do indeed.

00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:04.540
<v Ivan>All right.

00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.220
<v Sam>Okay, I think that's time for our break.

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:07.580
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:11.300
<v Sam>Than to talk about, you know, other stuffs.

00:45:11.900 --> 00:45:12.460
<v Ivan>Stuff.

00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:19.960
<v Sam>So, stuffs. So I have to pick. Here comes the break. Enjoy. Enjoy, enjoy.

00:45:21.080 --> 00:45:25.240
<v Break>Okie dokie. Here it comes. T-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t.

00:45:29.630 --> 00:45:32.990
<v Break>It was just my internet being stupid.

00:45:33.310 --> 00:45:38.390
<v Break>My internet being stupid is a new song we will make.

00:45:38.390 --> 00:46:08.370
<v Break>do believe in the morning balloon,

00:46:11.590 --> 00:46:18.910
<v Break>i'm tired what's wrong i'm i'm really tired you you you it's it's amazing to

00:46:18.910 --> 00:46:25.710
<v Break>get the show on the road there's a road there's a road oh my god there's a road.

00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:33.050
<v Sam>Okay all right here we are we're back we're back so you know up until like an

00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:37.510
<v Sam>hour before we recorded this show there was like,

00:46:38.030 --> 00:46:42.270
<v Sam>almost nothing on our list for this week and then both yvonne and i dropped

00:46:42.270 --> 00:46:45.930
<v Sam>some things in real quick because we're also doing this a little bit earlier

00:46:45.930 --> 00:46:47.250
<v Sam>in the week than we usually do,

00:46:48.510 --> 00:46:52.730
<v Sam>even when we do it thursday night u.s time we usually do it thursday night u.s

00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:56.350
<v Sam>we're doing it thursday well thursday afternoon here for me on the west coast

00:46:56.350 --> 00:47:02.070
<v Sam>it's like after what almost six o'clock there it's almost yeah yeah yeah but

00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:07.730
<v Sam>um east coast west coast north coast south coast whatever you know there could be a.

00:47:07.730 --> 00:47:08.750
<v Ivan>North coast south coast.

00:47:08.750 --> 00:47:13.190
<v Sam>There is a south coast there is a north coast yeah.

00:47:13.190 --> 00:47:15.150
<v Ivan>There's you know it's coast all over the place.

00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:16.250
<v Sam>Go up to hudson bay.

00:47:17.590 --> 00:47:18.530
<v Ivan>That's a good point. Yeah.

00:47:19.150 --> 00:47:21.930
<v Sam>So anyway, what do you want to talk about, Yvonne?

00:47:23.170 --> 00:47:27.850
<v Ivan>Oh, let's see. We did put a whole bunch of things down, but let's see.

00:47:30.730 --> 00:47:35.230
<v Ivan>Talk a little bit about some elections politics kind of a thing,

00:47:35.290 --> 00:47:37.510
<v Ivan>because there's a couple of things in here related to those.

00:47:37.770 --> 00:47:40.050
<v Sam>Election politics kind of a thing.

00:47:40.370 --> 00:47:45.490
<v Ivan>Yes. So, well, the reason I mentioned both, I'll talk first. Well, we just had this.

00:47:45.630 --> 00:47:50.990
<v Ivan>This just happened as we were just before we started recording that Indiana

00:47:50.990 --> 00:47:58.850
<v Ivan>rejected the redistricting that that Trump was pushing and rejected it by fairly substantial margin.

00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:05.770
<v Ivan>I saw over here that the vote was 19 to 31 to defeat it.

00:48:05.850 --> 00:48:09.210
<v Ivan>So it wasn't even like it's not like it was close to passing.

00:48:09.630 --> 00:48:12.290
<v Ivan>It was quite a wide margin.

00:48:13.350 --> 00:48:21.270
<v Ivan>And so I did see that Trump was using his usual charm to try to get the people

00:48:21.270 --> 00:48:22.850
<v Ivan>in Indiana to vote for him.

00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:28.310
<v Ivan>I pulled this up on one that says President Trump has made it clear to Indiana leaders.

00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:35.650
<v Ivan>If the Indiana Senate fails to pass the map, all federal funding will be stripped from the state.

00:48:36.290 --> 00:48:40.510
<v Ivan>Roads will not be paved. Guard bases will close.

00:48:41.070 --> 00:48:46.510
<v Ivan>Major projects will stop. There are stakes and every no vote will be to blame.

00:48:47.650 --> 00:48:48.690
<v Ivan>It sounds really democratic.

00:48:49.050 --> 00:48:51.530
<v Sam>Is that not how things are supposed to work, Yvonne?

00:48:52.230 --> 00:48:56.970
<v Ivan>I mean, I guess it depends where, I guess it's how things are supposed to work

00:48:56.970 --> 00:49:01.430
<v Ivan>depends on where you're, where you've lived for all your life, I guess.

00:49:02.030 --> 00:49:07.190
<v Sam>Well, I'm thinking Indiana for this. Yeah. Is it not how things are supposed to work in Indiana?

00:49:07.430 --> 00:49:09.710
<v Ivan>It's not how things have worked in the past. This is kind of like the,

00:49:09.710 --> 00:49:12.790
<v Ivan>this is kind of like the Trump's administration requirement that people provide

00:49:12.790 --> 00:49:15.750
<v Ivan>with no details how this is supposed to happen.

00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:19.610
<v Ivan>But five years of social media history when they are doing their electronic

00:49:19.610 --> 00:49:23.830
<v Ivan>visa application, which is like something that is like for people that are that

00:49:23.830 --> 00:49:27.270
<v Ivan>already, you know, they have like visa free access.

00:49:27.550 --> 00:49:32.890
<v Ivan>You do this ESTA form, which is just electronic like thing that you submit to do that.

00:49:33.270 --> 00:49:37.730
<v Ivan>And, you know, it says that you're supposed to do it with no explanation as to how.

00:49:38.810 --> 00:49:46.170
<v Ivan>You know, right. How do you provide five? I don't. How do I provide five years? So what do I, I would.

00:49:46.390 --> 00:49:47.470
<v Sam>You print it out, Yvonne.

00:49:47.730 --> 00:49:48.390
<v Ivan>You print it out.

00:49:48.470 --> 00:49:49.630
<v Sam>You take it with you to the airport.

00:49:49.970 --> 00:49:53.890
<v Ivan>Yeah, you show up and I'm like, here you go. Okay, here is, you know,

00:49:54.350 --> 00:49:59.230
<v Ivan>there's a crate, I guess, in cargo that has five years of my printed social media history.

00:49:59.410 --> 00:50:01.530
<v Ivan>So go knock yourself out, start looking through it.

00:50:01.890 --> 00:50:08.710
<v Ivan>Anyway, but yeah, I mean, this has been the threat that it really seems like

00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:11.310
<v Ivan>from what I was reading that.

00:50:12.490 --> 00:50:15.130
<v Ivan>Basically, the threats just pissed off people.

00:50:15.850 --> 00:50:16.330
<v Sam>Right.

00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:21.150
<v Ivan>This wasn't like any encouragement. It was just, you know, this is what you're

00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:24.570
<v Ivan>threatening. You know, we need to, you know, do this.

00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:28.390
<v Ivan>And I guess that it seemed that they were only going to be able to pick up.

00:50:28.510 --> 00:50:33.710
<v Ivan>Did I understand that basically that they could have maybe picked up like one seat?

00:50:34.610 --> 00:50:39.590
<v Sam>Two from Indiana. There are two Democratic seats in Indiana right now.

00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:41.730
<v Sam>And our goal was to wipe them both out.

00:50:41.930 --> 00:50:46.230
<v Ivan>Yeah. But I saw I was seeing that maybe they thought that even like with this,

00:50:46.290 --> 00:50:49.270
<v Ivan>maybe they could get realistically in the end, like one.

00:50:49.430 --> 00:50:53.790
<v Ivan>But but I'm just, you know.

00:50:55.830 --> 00:51:00.990
<v Ivan>I do think that this is part of a little bit of Donald Trump is turning into

00:51:00.990 --> 00:51:01.990
<v Ivan>a little bit of a lame duck.

00:51:02.510 --> 00:51:07.470
<v Sam>Oh, a little bit. I think that's accelerating very quickly, you know,

00:51:07.670 --> 00:51:09.430
<v Sam>because people are starting.

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:16.870
<v Sam>You know, the whole thing about Donald Trump capturing the Republican Party

00:51:16.870 --> 00:51:22.110
<v Sam>was that everybody was afraid of him and afraid of his supporters.

00:51:22.430 --> 00:51:29.430
<v Sam>Right. OK, but what's happening so far in this second term, I mean, a couple of things.

00:51:29.550 --> 00:51:33.770
<v Sam>I mean, one, he's becoming increasingly unpopular, even among Republicans.

00:51:34.070 --> 00:51:38.950
<v Sam>Now, to be clear, he's still got a lot of support among Republicans,

00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:41.770
<v Sam>but it's less than it was by a decent amount.

00:51:42.230 --> 00:51:49.670
<v Sam>And and two, he's showing himself more and more to be less effective.

00:51:49.670 --> 00:51:57.110
<v Sam>And when people have gone against him, they haven't necessarily suffered the

00:51:57.110 --> 00:51:59.290
<v Sam>same sort of negative consequences.

00:51:59.930 --> 00:52:05.710
<v Sam>Now, you do have even like MTG is resigning Congress. She's not fighting there.

00:52:05.910 --> 00:52:08.990
<v Sam>She's not trying to stay. so there

00:52:08.990 --> 00:52:12.550
<v Sam>you could say there are still negative consequences but

00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:15.270
<v Sam>his endorsement hasn't meant as much as it has

00:52:15.270 --> 00:52:19.750
<v Sam>in the past he's endorsed people who have lost he has not endorsed people who

00:52:19.750 --> 00:52:25.870
<v Sam>have gone on to win and it's just showing his weakening power and you expect

00:52:25.870 --> 00:52:30.430
<v Sam>that as you approach the lame as you approach the second half of a presidential

00:52:30.430 --> 00:52:34.870
<v Sam>of a second presidential term anyway but i think.

00:52:35.990 --> 00:52:41.710
<v Sam>There is more and more of the Republican Party who's starting to actively think

00:52:41.710 --> 00:52:49.530
<v Sam>about, well, what's next after him and are starting to position themselves for that.

00:52:50.190 --> 00:52:58.010
<v Sam>And so, yeah, 100 percent lame lame duckness is increasing as time goes on.

00:52:58.010 --> 00:53:02.930
<v Sam>And it doesn't help that like half the time these days he's looking confused

00:53:02.930 --> 00:53:06.550
<v Sam>and like he doesn't know where he is and he's falling asleep in cabinet meetings

00:53:06.550 --> 00:53:08.210
<v Sam>and all this kind of crap.

00:53:08.410 --> 00:53:13.790
<v Ivan>He went on this like to do this speech somewhere that apparently like it was

00:53:13.790 --> 00:53:19.030
<v Ivan>in a tiny place that not a lot of people actually showed up to do something on affordability.

00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:22.550
<v Ivan>And then they decided, oh, we're going to bring a working person to show over

00:53:22.550 --> 00:53:25.010
<v Ivan>here how this whole affordability thing is a hoax.

00:53:25.010 --> 00:53:29.430
<v Ivan>And the person that they brought up on stage basically just ripped them to,

00:53:29.570 --> 00:53:35.510
<v Ivan>I mean, it was, they, they basically came up and just said, I just get a paycheck

00:53:35.510 --> 00:53:39.910
<v Ivan>and I, all my money goes out to pay bills and I can't afford anything.

00:53:41.530 --> 00:53:44.230
<v Ivan>So it looked very well planned.

00:53:45.640 --> 00:53:49.740
<v Ivan>Indeed, what the hell they did like this week was just, you know,

00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:55.720
<v Ivan>ridiculous, you know, this entire thing, you know, and but but the fact nobody showed up.

00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Ivan>This was just I this is the the contrast versus how it used to be whenever Trump

00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Ivan>went somewhere or whatever and how this thing just,

00:54:07.660 --> 00:54:11.720
<v Ivan>you know, he went off the rails as usual, but that's not unexpected. I mean, whatever.

00:54:11.740 --> 00:54:15.100
<v Ivan>He was just talking like meandering and whatever, whatnot. That is a big deal.

00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:18.340
<v Ivan>But the fact that very little, very few people showed up and,

00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:26.080
<v Ivan>and, and look, in a demonstration of how, uh, the, he is a lame duck and he

00:54:26.080 --> 00:54:29.520
<v Ivan>is struggling with support and aligning people.

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.620
<v Ivan>Well, what happened here in this, in the city of Miami? So let me start first

00:54:33.620 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Ivan>by explaining what the hell the city of Miami is.

00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:38.620
<v Sam>Which is not Miami-Dade County. Because we had yet more elections.

00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.780
<v Sam>We had yet more, like we had elections a few weeks ago. We got even more now.

00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Ivan>In Florida, there were like three state Senate, you know, state legislature

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.640
<v Ivan>seats that, by the way, they all swung heavily Democratic.

00:54:52.180 --> 00:54:55.740
<v Ivan>Right. I mean, by my substantial margins.

00:54:56.120 --> 00:55:02.540
<v Ivan>Like, I mean, they, you know, Florida last election cycle, all the places that

00:55:02.540 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Ivan>I knew that were heavily blue, they really, really, really had been a lot redder

00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.080
<v Ivan>than they ever had been, ever. Okay.

00:55:10.740 --> 00:55:15.660
<v Ivan>But that apparently has self-corrected quite quickly with everything that's

00:55:15.660 --> 00:55:19.380
<v Ivan>been going on, especially because they talk about affordability and whatever,

00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:20.640
<v Ivan>and it's a blue state problem.

00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Ivan>Look, Florida is the epicenter of shitty affordability. OK, all right.

00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:32.280
<v Ivan>I mean, this is this is ground zero to this right now, especially because there's

00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.540
<v Ivan>never any Medicaid expansion. This is the reason why I was talking earlier about

00:55:35.540 --> 00:55:40.260
<v Ivan>the guy I talked about and health insurance and how nobody can afford fucking

00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Ivan>health insurance in this state, okay?

00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.600
<v Ivan>If you're earning 60-some-odd thousand dollars a year,

00:55:47.610 --> 00:55:50.170
<v Ivan>Which, by the way, is not enough to live in this state. Basically,

00:55:51.230 --> 00:55:57.970
<v Ivan>when median rents are $2,000 a month, all of a sudden, we have the worst housing

00:55:57.970 --> 00:56:02.210
<v Ivan>affordability right now in the nation, in this state.

00:56:02.890 --> 00:56:05.670
<v Ivan>This is just the reality.

00:56:06.870 --> 00:56:10.170
<v Ivan>One of the things that happened also is with the city of Miami.

00:56:10.330 --> 00:56:14.410
<v Ivan>And look, the city of Miami, which is not Miami-Dade County.

00:56:14.530 --> 00:56:19.570
<v Ivan>Miami-Dade County is 3 million people, has a lot of cities. City of Miami Beach is a separate city.

00:56:19.850 --> 00:56:24.210
<v Ivan>City of Miami Lakes or City of Doral, where Doral has his fucking golf course.

00:56:24.630 --> 00:56:30.690
<v Ivan>City of Miami itself is the downtown Miami area. It includes a little Havana and whatever.

00:56:31.070 --> 00:56:35.430
<v Ivan>It's got about 600,000 people, OK, out of three million plus.

00:56:35.650 --> 00:56:39.570
<v Ivan>That is the entire Miami-Dade County. And by the way, the reason they changed

00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:43.290
<v Ivan>the name from Dade County to Miami-Dade County is people didn't know where the

00:56:43.290 --> 00:56:46.370
<v Ivan>fuck is Dade County for a while.

00:56:46.370 --> 00:56:51.490
<v Ivan>So many years ago, they changed it to Miami-Dade County. So you knew what the hell it was. OK.

00:56:52.530 --> 00:56:56.610
<v Ivan>Right. City of Miami had not elected a Democrat to the mayor.

00:56:57.350 --> 00:57:01.890
<v Ivan>30 years, Sam. 30 fucking years, okay?

00:57:01.950 --> 00:57:02.150
<v Sam>Right.

00:57:02.350 --> 00:57:08.270
<v Ivan>And they elected a Democrat, and it was by an overwhelming margin that they

00:57:08.270 --> 00:57:09.730
<v Ivan>elected a Democrat, okay?

00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:13.490
<v Ivan>Not just that, the one thing that happened with this last cycle,

00:57:13.690 --> 00:57:22.550
<v Ivan>there was a series of Cuban Republican family dynasties that were in government

00:57:22.550 --> 00:57:27.070
<v Ivan>both at the county level and at the city of Miami level.

00:57:27.350 --> 00:57:30.370
<v Ivan>There are the Carollos, OK, number one.

00:57:30.570 --> 00:57:35.670
<v Ivan>OK, these guys are awful people. OK, Joe Carollo is mayor of Miami.

00:57:36.010 --> 00:57:41.870
<v Ivan>He was in the he was the city council in Miami. He had been in power there for 30 years.

00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:47.570
<v Ivan>This is a guy that that, you know, did so much corruption and never.

00:57:47.670 --> 00:57:50.110
<v Ivan>I mean, he had been tried in federal court.

00:57:50.290 --> 00:57:55.470
<v Ivan>He lost the case, a civil suit that a bard had against a ball and chain for

00:57:55.470 --> 00:58:00.210
<v Ivan>abusing city resources. to basically try to shut down a business that annoyed

00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:02.010
<v Ivan>him personally. That's it.

00:58:02.630 --> 00:58:07.410
<v Ivan>There's nothing else. He lost a lawsuit. They were foreclosing on his house.

00:58:07.570 --> 00:58:10.430
<v Ivan>They were trying to take everything. He figured out some fucking way.

00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:17.070
<v Ivan>I think Trump also and their DOJ helped and him not being able to have taken all his stuff away.

00:58:17.310 --> 00:58:22.570
<v Ivan>But he had been, you know, he had, you know, this guy wound up being back in

00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:25.510
<v Ivan>government every time. It's like you could never get rid of him, okay?

00:58:26.330 --> 00:58:31.010
<v Ivan>And so they set a new term limit thing so the thing that the Corollos would

00:58:31.010 --> 00:58:32.810
<v Ivan>do oh I'm not running I'm going to put my brother,

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Ivan>They would keep flipping back and forth, okay? His brother or him.

00:58:37.580 --> 00:58:39.220
<v Ivan>Well, guess what? They all lost.

00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.220
<v Ivan>Term limits got put in. His brother lost. He lost.

00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:47.180
<v Ivan>The Suarez's, there was this guy who kept appearing with Trump recently.

00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:51.560
<v Ivan>He was the mayor of the city of Miami who was a crypto bro, okay?

00:58:51.700 --> 00:58:54.300
<v Ivan>All right? He was the son of the old fucking mayor, okay?

00:58:54.520 --> 00:58:57.720
<v Ivan>And if you go with Francis Suarez, this guy, look, you looked at him as the

00:58:57.720 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Ivan>prototypical slick-haired crypto bro that you see these days.

00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.240
<v Ivan>That guy, the Suarez's, also, they got booted out.

00:59:06.640 --> 00:59:10.200
<v Ivan>They lost their power as well. There's another one I'm forgetting,

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:14.020
<v Ivan>like right now, that also, but the thing is that they also put,

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Ivan>finally, in the city of Miami, for the first time, okay, real term limits.

00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.220
<v Ivan>Lifetime term limits. Not that you can't, you know, forget about this thing

00:59:24.220 --> 00:59:27.160
<v Ivan>because the way we do is, oh, two terms or whatever.

00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.560
<v Ivan>Now it's like, yeah, because then, oh, well, I skipped one term because I put

00:59:30.560 --> 00:59:33.900
<v Ivan>my brother and then I can come back, right? No, that's it.

00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:38.140
<v Ivan>Done. No more fucking term limits. OK. All right. They're done.

00:59:38.300 --> 00:59:40.780
<v Ivan>They're over. Finally, for fucking once. OK.

00:59:41.080 --> 00:59:44.160
<v Sam>The opposite. Not no more term limits. We have real term limits.

00:59:44.180 --> 00:59:46.960
<v Ivan>I mean, no. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the opposite. Yeah. No more.

00:59:47.100 --> 00:59:51.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly. No more. No more lifetime terms for these people. They're done. OK.

00:59:51.260 --> 00:59:56.620
<v Ivan>They finally were able to pass the term limits in a real way that their lifetime

00:59:56.620 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Ivan>term limits that you can't find some loophole or to get get get a turn around.

01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.860
<v Ivan>You know, there was this family, the Escalonas, for example.

01:00:04.160 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Ivan>Okay. Well, actually, the Escalonas got a broke Corolla streak.

01:00:09.060 --> 01:00:15.680
<v Ivan>The Corolla family had a 16-year streak occupying the District 3 seat in the city council.

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.080
<v Ivan>16 years. Okay.

01:00:18.500 --> 01:00:21.600
<v Ivan>That they were there. And this guy's also mayor and whatever.

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:25.600
<v Ivan>Mayor Francis Suarez, who was the guy that I told you, the crypto bro,

01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:30.700
<v Ivan>he came in sixth where he was running. Okay. Okay.

01:00:31.370 --> 01:00:36.930
<v Ivan>And so under Regalados, Regalado was also a guy that was a mayor of Miami and

01:00:36.930 --> 01:00:40.550
<v Ivan>his brother was also running for something and he lost the special election as well.

01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:46.070
<v Ivan>So these were like families that had, you know, the Regalados,

01:00:46.410 --> 01:00:48.510
<v Ivan>the Suarez's, the Corollos.

01:00:48.790 --> 01:00:57.130
<v Ivan>They, man, you know, they had power in Miami that had transcended decades and decades.

01:00:57.470 --> 01:01:01.150
<v Ivan>And these guys were all Cuban. They were Republicans. OK, that's the main thing.

01:01:01.370 --> 01:01:09.530
<v Ivan>And all of them, finally, all gone in one fell swoop, completely. So...

01:01:11.750 --> 01:01:17.290
<v Ivan>For that to happen, when you got rid of those three dynasties in Miami,

01:01:17.710 --> 01:01:24.470
<v Ivan>and how the margin for the Democratic— Man, this has been like razor-thin margins

01:01:24.470 --> 01:01:26.330
<v Ivan>there, you know, all this time.

01:01:26.550 --> 01:01:31.590
<v Ivan>The margin was so overwhelming for the Democrat that— I think you're getting—I

01:01:31.590 --> 01:01:34.470
<v Ivan>think that the people in Miami, with everything that's happened,

01:01:34.570 --> 01:01:39.850
<v Ivan>especially with— Listen, especially with the affordability crisis, okay?

01:01:39.990 --> 01:01:46.830
<v Ivan>All right. Because the city of Miami is in Miami-Dade County is the place of the state.

01:01:46.990 --> 01:01:54.130
<v Ivan>The affordability is just just gone like off the deep end because you had so

01:01:54.130 --> 01:01:57.910
<v Ivan>many of these people from Wall Street and other places that came in and,

01:01:57.930 --> 01:02:00.930
<v Ivan>you know, and started bidding everything up.

01:02:01.170 --> 01:02:06.250
<v Ivan>OK, and all these people that were following Trump's coattails because he's down here in Doral.

01:02:06.490 --> 01:02:09.090
<v Ivan>He keeps spending all this time down here, whatever. where all these people

01:02:09.090 --> 01:02:13.730
<v Ivan>fall in his coattails. I mean, there were tens of, they came in with a lot of money.

01:02:14.550 --> 01:02:18.310
<v Ivan>And a lot of them were selling from higher property states that come down here.

01:02:18.530 --> 01:02:21.310
<v Ivan>They bid up everything. They've made everything unaffordable.

01:02:21.950 --> 01:02:25.810
<v Ivan>Salaries don't go up because this state doesn't believe in like raising people's salaries.

01:02:26.390 --> 01:02:30.170
<v Ivan>Fuck the healthcare or whatever. So they can't afford to live.

01:02:30.330 --> 01:02:33.730
<v Ivan>They don't have enough wages or whatever. Man, they all got fed up.

01:02:34.570 --> 01:02:36.330
<v Ivan>And they just voted all these people out.

01:02:37.770 --> 01:02:41.710
<v Ivan>So I didn't see what happened in other states, but I was paying close attention

01:02:41.710 --> 01:02:42.630
<v Ivan>to what happened down here.

01:02:43.250 --> 01:02:49.390
<v Ivan>It was just quite surprising given the swing that happened from just a year ago.

01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:57.720
<v Ivan>It was, it was, it was a swings over 10 plus points in a lot of places. And, um, right.

01:02:57.900 --> 01:03:03.900
<v Sam>So I, I, I had given a summary from, from Tanneel, who is at,

01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:08.780
<v Sam>I have mentioned him before, it is a publication called bolts does a lot of

01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:11.780
<v Sam>local coverage of local politics all across the country.

01:03:12.020 --> 01:03:16.300
<v Sam>Anyway, the summary of his huge nights, huge night for Democrats,

01:03:16.660 --> 01:03:20.360
<v Sam>starting with what you mentioned. They flipped Miami's mayorship.

01:03:20.940 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Sam>They flipped a state house district in Georgia that had voted for Trump by 13%.

01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:27.560
<v Ivan>Jesus.

01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.540
<v Sam>And this was posted right after Tuesday. I haven't looked at the follow-up.

01:03:31.620 --> 01:03:37.060
<v Sam>They were on track to keep the Albuquerque mayorship while a liberal faction

01:03:37.060 --> 01:03:38.620
<v Sam>flips the city council there.

01:03:39.260 --> 01:03:43.560
<v Sam>And big overperformance in the two Florida specials you mentioned,

01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.740
<v Sam>plus 17 and plus 22 in the two.

01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:52.360
<v Sam>And this is one of the themes as we go through these specials is even if the

01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:58.060
<v Sam>Democrats don't win, they're doing huge amounts better than the Democrat is

01:03:58.060 --> 01:04:02.020
<v Sam>quote unquote expected to do in regions all across the country.

01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:10.160
<v Sam>And it's one where if you translate that same amount of movement into all of

01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Sam>the races that are supposed to be in 2026,

01:04:14.140 --> 01:04:17.500
<v Sam>you're talking a big blue wave if this continues.

01:04:17.740 --> 01:04:24.240
<v Sam>Now, we're 11 months out yet from that election. Lots of stuff can happen in 11 months.

01:04:24.680 --> 01:04:28.280
<v Ivan>Here's the one thing. But the stuff that's happening as we're recording,

01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:33.340
<v Ivan>the fucking Senate basically told everybody, fuck you, it told everybody,

01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:36.900
<v Ivan>oh, your health premiums, fuck you, they're going up and we don't care.

01:04:37.950 --> 01:04:41.190
<v Sam>So why don't you start talking about that? What's...

01:04:41.190 --> 01:04:43.390
<v Ivan>Well, in the Senate...

01:04:43.390 --> 01:04:49.870
<v Sam>I will start. I will start. Remember the Democrats' deal to end the government

01:04:49.870 --> 01:04:54.810
<v Sam>shutdown was that they would get a vote on these health care premium things.

01:04:55.310 --> 01:05:02.430
<v Sam>Well, the vote happened today. And as expected, nothing passed. nothing.

01:05:02.910 --> 01:05:10.250
<v Ivan>It was, it was a 50, you know, 54, they got 54 votes if I remember correctly, 53 or 52 votes. Okay.

01:05:10.450 --> 01:05:14.270
<v Sam>This is why when you make a deal, you don't,

01:05:14.930 --> 01:05:20.790
<v Sam>The cost of the deal shouldn't be you get a vote on something that you don't

01:05:20.790 --> 01:05:21.650
<v Sam>think you're going to win.

01:05:21.850 --> 01:05:26.770
<v Sam>If you actually want that thing, you have to make that part of the deal in the

01:05:26.770 --> 01:05:31.930
<v Sam>first place, not, oh, we'll have a vote a few months from now. Yeah. Come on.

01:05:32.090 --> 01:05:40.250
<v Ivan>And so, yeah, this was not good. But, I mean, politically, who's getting killed are the Republicans.

01:05:40.330 --> 01:05:43.030
<v Ivan>Are the Republicans regardless. And this is honestly.

01:05:43.250 --> 01:05:47.870
<v Sam>Honestly, that was part of the justification for the deal was like,

01:05:47.930 --> 01:05:51.350
<v Sam>look, this is just going to be bad for the Republicans anyway.

01:05:51.970 --> 01:05:56.790
<v Ivan>So but I didn't want people to get killed without their health insurance premiums.

01:05:56.890 --> 01:06:00.610
<v Ivan>You see, my thing is, and I get it, that politically, strategically,

01:06:00.930 --> 01:06:04.630
<v Ivan>yes, this was better. But the reality is I'm not into this.

01:06:04.890 --> 01:06:08.350
<v Ivan>I'm not into a lot of this shit for the just for the politics,

01:06:08.530 --> 01:06:14.890
<v Ivan>just for that. I mean, I, you know, I really wanted people not to have their

01:06:14.890 --> 01:06:16.690
<v Ivan>insurance premiums soaring.

01:06:16.970 --> 01:06:20.870
<v Sam>The calculation was the Republicans were never actually going to cave on that.

01:06:20.990 --> 01:06:23.970
<v Sam>And so the question was just how long the government stays closed.

01:06:24.610 --> 01:06:26.170
<v Sam>Now, having said that.

01:06:26.630 --> 01:06:30.910
<v Ivan>The final vote was 51 to 48. So they presented both the Democrats,

01:06:30.930 --> 01:06:37.170
<v Ivan>which is extend the health care subsidies for three years. and the idiotic fucking

01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:40.650
<v Ivan>like Republican proposal, which basically did nothing.

01:06:40.870 --> 01:06:46.450
<v Ivan>It gave you like, oh, here, I'll give you $2,000 now so you can try to afford

01:06:46.450 --> 01:06:48.810
<v Ivan>your $3,000 a month premiums.

01:06:48.970 --> 01:06:51.290
<v Ivan>Not really exactly that helpful.

01:06:51.890 --> 01:06:55.730
<v Sam>Yeah, no, I was just going to say, back to the government shutdown ending,

01:06:56.430 --> 01:07:00.990
<v Sam>the thing that got me about it is the timing because at the moment they capitulated,

01:07:00.990 --> 01:07:04.890
<v Sam>it looked like the Republicans actually were on the ropes and were starting to crack.

01:07:05.370 --> 01:07:07.450
<v Sam>And that was the moment they decided to like.

01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:13.680
<v Ivan>But but OK, but but here is the thing. If if what we're talking about is a one year cost.

01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.240
<v Ivan>Because we think we could turn this back later, but I don't know.

01:07:18.380 --> 01:07:22.440
<v Ivan>The Senate really map isn't changing that much. You know, is the problem.

01:07:23.220 --> 01:07:26.480
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, well, the the best case scenario.

01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:32.560
<v Sam>Well, I'd say at this point with the numbers we're seeing, rather than the Senate

01:07:32.560 --> 01:07:37.160
<v Sam>being a lost cause for the Democrats, is at least a chance. but they're certainly

01:07:37.160 --> 01:07:38.340
<v Sam>not favored in the Senate.

01:07:38.540 --> 01:07:41.540
<v Sam>I think the, and we'll have our prediction show coming up very soon.

01:07:41.660 --> 01:07:44.300
<v Sam>And I'm sure one of the predictions is what's going to happen to now in the

01:07:44.300 --> 01:07:50.260
<v Sam>Senate, but it's looking like the Democrats have a very, very good chance of flipping the House.

01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:56.600
<v Sam>The Senate is still a long shot, but they've got a better chance now than it

01:07:56.600 --> 01:07:58.260
<v Sam>seemed like they would have a few months ago.

01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Sam>So, and of course, even if they flip both the House and the Senate,

01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.580
<v Sam>it, you know, Donald Trump's going to veto anything they want to do anyway.

01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:11.920
<v Sam>So it's not like they'll be able to legislate and get things done necessarily.

01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:15.980
<v Ivan>Well, exactly. It's not like they're going to get 60 votes in the Senate is my point.

01:08:16.320 --> 01:08:19.640
<v Sam>And they probably won't have enough. Even if they get a majority,

01:08:19.820 --> 01:08:22.040
<v Sam>they're probably not going to have enough to kill the filibuster either.

01:08:23.260 --> 01:08:26.500
<v Sam>So because, you know, lots of Democrats don't want that anyway.

01:08:27.530 --> 01:08:31.770
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just there are so few here that is even possible.

01:08:31.950 --> 01:08:35.930
<v Ivan>It's just, yeah, I mean, all you've got is a little bit where you can get,

01:08:36.010 --> 01:08:38.190
<v Ivan>just get a little bit over 50, but that's it.

01:08:38.250 --> 01:08:41.210
<v Ivan>I mean, it's not like, I mean, they're not going to get, well,

01:08:41.470 --> 01:08:45.930
<v Ivan>but no, it's just not, they're not enough seats to, you know,

01:08:45.970 --> 01:08:51.630
<v Ivan>there's just, you know, you're not going to get, well, I mean, we did get Alabama once.

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:52.610
<v Sam>Once.

01:08:52.610 --> 01:08:53.190
<v Ivan>I say that.

01:08:53.650 --> 01:08:55.150
<v Sam>There were special circumstances.

01:08:55.150 --> 01:08:57.890
<v Ivan>There's one Kentucky Open. There's an Alabama Open one.

01:08:58.530 --> 01:09:03.390
<v Sam>It looks like the Democrats have the best shot at Maine that they've had in a long time. Yeah.

01:09:03.630 --> 01:09:10.790
<v Ivan>I mean, it's one of those things where I guess it's possible,

01:09:10.890 --> 01:09:16.990
<v Ivan>but it's highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, highly unlikely.

01:09:17.490 --> 01:09:22.970
<v Ivan>Unless, you know, it's just, I mean, I don't know. But it's just,

01:09:23.430 --> 01:09:27.810
<v Ivan>basically, I'm not putting money on it that we could get to,

01:09:27.970 --> 01:09:30.970
<v Ivan>we could turn the clock back to 2008.

01:09:31.570 --> 01:09:32.050
<v Sam>Right.

01:09:32.450 --> 01:09:35.830
<v Ivan>But the way, you do realize the way that, you know, of course,

01:09:35.950 --> 01:09:41.850
<v Ivan>which, again, because I don't like people getting hurt, I'm not advocating for this.

01:09:42.330 --> 01:09:47.590
<v Ivan>The way that we got to 60 votes in 2008 was because basically the Republicans

01:09:47.590 --> 01:09:49.670
<v Ivan>finished destroying the academy.

01:09:50.630 --> 01:09:55.770
<v Sam>Mm-hmm. And they nominated a few real clunkers for their Senate races as well.

01:09:55.990 --> 01:09:56.110
<v Ivan>Right.

01:09:56.470 --> 01:10:01.410
<v Sam>I mean, you mentioned Alabama. They nominated somebody who then,

01:10:01.410 --> 01:10:04.630
<v Sam>who was revealed, was like molesting children or something.

01:10:06.230 --> 01:10:09.970
<v Sam>And so you never know.

01:10:10.110 --> 01:10:14.810
<v Ivan>Let's face it. I mean, I don't know. We've got a child molesting president right

01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:17.750
<v Ivan>now anyway, as far as we was, you know, it's pretty clear.

01:10:18.990 --> 01:10:21.250
<v Ivan>So not like that's been a showstopper.

01:10:21.950 --> 01:10:23.450
<v Sam>Ah, yes.

01:10:24.700 --> 01:10:28.440
<v Ivan>So anyway, anything else that we got in politics like right now,

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.200
<v Ivan>I don't know. Anything else that happened, let me see.

01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:39.680
<v Ivan>I mean, Venezuela is not. I mean, I don't know what the fuck. Are we going to war, Sam?

01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:42.500
<v Sam>Are we talking Venezuela? If

01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Sam>we're going to talk Venezuela, let's take a break and then do that. Okay.

01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:48.660
<v Ivan>All right. Let's take a break. Let's talk about whatever the fuck else is on

01:10:48.660 --> 01:10:50.340
<v Ivan>here. Okay. All right. Okay.

01:10:51.400 --> 01:10:52.440
<v Sam>Ah, here we go.

01:10:55.390 --> 01:10:58.570
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<v Sam>Okay, we are back. So, you know, there were a couple things I was trying to

01:12:39.310 --> 01:12:42.290
<v Sam>decide between for a topic for the last segment. But since we brought it up,

01:12:42.470 --> 01:12:43.710
<v Sam>let's talk about Venezuela.

01:12:44.450 --> 01:12:48.430
<v Sam>you know we've had first of all we've had my question is simple.

01:12:48.430 --> 01:12:49.350
<v Ivan>Are we going to war.

01:12:50.420 --> 01:12:55.180
<v Sam>I, you know, I am torn at this point between.

01:12:55.420 --> 01:13:00.740
<v Ivan>I'm not saying if you like the war. I ain't going to war.

01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.120
<v Sam>I'm not answering what, you know, do I want to go to war?

01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:08.140
<v Sam>I'm not answering like, you know, if I was president, would I go to war?

01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:13.640
<v Sam>I'm your question is, will we? And I'm still torn about that because on the

01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.320
<v Sam>one hand, you have Donald Trump.

01:13:15.660 --> 01:13:18.700
<v Sam>You know, as we mentioned, there are all kinds of reasons where it's seeming

01:13:18.700 --> 01:13:20.140
<v Sam>like he's more and more ineffective.

01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:25.920
<v Sam>Well, the one place where he can sort of just do stuff and,

01:13:26.320 --> 01:13:32.160
<v Sam>well, it's not the only place, but like he could decide to do this as a way

01:13:32.160 --> 01:13:37.420
<v Sam>to show his manliness and to show he's in charge and to, you know, make them stop me.

01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.820
<v Sam>I mean, we've got that little controversy over that double tap.

01:13:40.820 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Ivan>I gotta be honest, I'd rather have him like pull out his pee-pee in public in

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.220
<v Ivan>order if he wants to do that instead of going to war.

01:13:48.030 --> 01:13:55.550
<v Sam>But on the other hand, we've got taco from Always Chickens Out. That's true.

01:13:56.530 --> 01:14:02.470
<v Sam>And so, you know, we apparently, like, what was the most recent thing?

01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:10.050
<v Sam>We boarded a tanker and took over a tanker that we said was sending oil to Iran or whatever.

01:14:10.390 --> 01:14:14.010
<v Sam>We've got these continued attacks on boats.

01:14:14.550 --> 01:14:19.570
<v Ivan>Is that something about, it was a sanctioned... Sanctioned, it had sanctioned oil, they said.

01:14:20.310 --> 01:14:25.510
<v Sam>Yes. Well, the story is that it was intended to deliver oil to Iran,

01:14:25.510 --> 01:14:29.270
<v Sam>which is not allowed under the Iranian sanctions, and that's why they boarded it.

01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:32.910
<v Sam>I don't know what proof they do or do not have on that.

01:14:33.110 --> 01:14:37.490
<v Sam>Who knows? It might be. They might be telling the truth. I don't know.

01:14:38.490 --> 01:14:42.570
<v Sam>But, and then they keep attacking these boats that they say are drug boats,

01:14:42.570 --> 01:14:44.070
<v Sam>and we've got The whole thing about

01:14:44.070 --> 01:14:49.470
<v Sam>the killing of the two survivors that Hegseth ordered, that has been,

01:14:50.310 --> 01:14:54.550
<v Sam>you know, I think that had already happened by the time we talked last week, I forget.

01:14:54.790 --> 01:14:59.050
<v Sam>But, like, it has not gone away in the intervening time.

01:14:59.450 --> 01:15:04.150
<v Sam>People are still talking about it and the circumstances and will they release

01:15:04.150 --> 01:15:07.750
<v Sam>the video. At one point, Donald Trump said they would, and then they sort of

01:15:07.750 --> 01:15:12.450
<v Sam>seemed to back down from that. And you've got Republicans saying that,

01:15:12.670 --> 01:15:14.250
<v Sam>oh, it was completely justified anyway.

01:15:14.410 --> 01:15:18.750
<v Sam>They were still a threat. And then the Democrats saying that when they watched

01:15:18.750 --> 01:15:20.790
<v Sam>the video, it certainly didn't look like that to them.

01:15:21.110 --> 01:15:25.330
<v Sam>You know, they were two barely alive survivors hanging on to the wreckage and

01:15:25.330 --> 01:15:30.630
<v Sam>trying not to drown and then went back for a second attack and killed them.

01:15:32.310 --> 01:15:42.910
<v Sam>It's a mess. And if there is a Trump always chickening out moment, I don't think it's yet.

01:15:43.090 --> 01:15:47.270
<v Sam>I think we escalate further before we back down.

01:15:47.530 --> 01:15:51.410
<v Sam>And Donald Trump has been saying he's like all four going in,

01:15:51.610 --> 01:15:59.390
<v Sam>not just boats, but attacking on land, using the Air Force, going after the regime.

01:15:59.390 --> 01:16:03.690
<v Ivan>Well, apparently one thing is that with U.S.

01:16:03.790 --> 01:16:09.350
<v Ivan>help, it has been claimed, the lady that was a presidential candidate that actually

01:16:09.350 --> 01:16:17.950
<v Ivan>got the Nobel Peace Prize, they helped her escape to, I guess she was in Oslo.

01:16:18.470 --> 01:16:23.990
<v Ivan>Is this what they were showing her like today? So, yeah, they helped her escape

01:16:23.990 --> 01:16:29.110
<v Ivan>from Venezuela. And she said that it was like the U.S. helped her escape.

01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.580
<v Sam>Right. Yes, I had heard that.

01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:37.540
<v Ivan>So, I mean, so that was a, but obviously that's another action that seems to

01:16:37.540 --> 01:16:41.520
<v Ivan>insinuate that we have infiltrated the country. That's what I'm saying.

01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.460
<v Ivan>Physically with like people somehow.

01:16:45.220 --> 01:16:46.520
<v Ivan>Not sure what kind of.

01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:53.160
<v Sam>I'm sure. Donald Trump publicly signed an authorization for CIA covert action

01:16:53.160 --> 01:16:56.060
<v Sam>within Venezuela like almost two months ago.

01:16:56.360 --> 01:16:56.900
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah.

01:16:56.900 --> 01:17:01.460
<v Sam>And normally, you sign an authorization for covert action. It's supposed to

01:17:01.460 --> 01:17:04.280
<v Sam>be covert, and you don't announce that you've done so.

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:08.960
<v Ivan>Oh, so that's the way that works. You don't go and say, hey,

01:17:09.240 --> 01:17:13.680
<v Ivan>people, I'm doing covert actions over here.

01:17:14.580 --> 01:17:18.420
<v Sam>Yes. Now, I suppose the individual actions are still, they're trying to do it

01:17:18.420 --> 01:17:20.420
<v Sam>undercover and stealth and all that kind of stuff.

01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:20.960
<v Ivan>Still.

01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:26.580
<v Sam>But it's been acknowledged that we are doing that. So, yes, I'm absolutely sure

01:17:26.580 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Sam>there are covert CIA agents and quite possibly covert military of various sorts

01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:35.800
<v Sam>operating within Venezuelan borders.

01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:40.520
<v Sam>The question is, what exactly do they do?

01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.980
<v Sam>And do we escalate to overt?

01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:48.280
<v Sam>Do we have the Air Force explicitly bombing targets?

01:17:48.540 --> 01:17:56.260
<v Sam>Do we have ground troops going in specifically to try to take over pieces of territory?

01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.780
<v Sam>Do we do that kind of escalation or no? Yeah.

01:18:00.420 --> 01:18:07.760
<v Sam>And like I said, I feel like this is one of those cases where Donald Trump can

01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.900
<v Sam>still make that call in the end,

01:18:10.900 --> 01:18:15.640
<v Sam>but Donald Trump is unstable. And what he does.

01:18:16.360 --> 01:18:22.260
<v Ivan>Wait, Donald Trump is unstable? So wait, they're going to hold a 25th Amendment?

01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:27.000
<v Sam>No, of course not. But they will. Well, yeah.

01:18:27.400 --> 01:18:30.440
<v Sam>And a lot of stuff is going to happen because like, you know,

01:18:30.540 --> 01:18:34.880
<v Sam>we all know, we've talked about for years how like it's the last person who whispers in his ear.

01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:38.720
<v Sam>So they're going to try to control very carefully who's the last person who

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:45.100
<v Sam>whispers in his ear and have it be the one who does the things that whoever,

01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.780
<v Sam>you know, whether it's Miller or who, whoever, like there are people.

01:18:50.780 --> 01:18:59.460
<v Sam>Well, it seems fairly obvious at this point that the folks in the Trump administration,

01:18:59.460 --> 01:19:05.800
<v Sam>in the various zones of the administration, are basically running their own

01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.140
<v Sam>areas because they can whisper in Trump's ear,

01:19:09.300 --> 01:19:12.820
<v Sam>say what they want to say, and he'll just say, yeah, go ahead.

01:19:14.220 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Ivan>Well, but I'm sure that everything will be solved by the switch in fonts at the State Department.

01:19:21.060 --> 01:19:25.060
<v Sam>You know, I figured you would save that for the what's something we talked about

01:19:25.060 --> 01:19:26.920
<v Sam>on the Slack that we haven't talked about on the show.

01:19:27.180 --> 01:19:30.300
<v Ivan>I thought that was a critical thing for a nation's security.

01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:35.520
<v Sam>This is how Rubio is making his big mark on the State Department.

01:19:36.380 --> 01:19:42.280
<v Sam>Because we have to go back to using Times New Roman instead of the sissy font

01:19:42.280 --> 01:19:45.300
<v Sam>they decided to use instead. Like, you know.

01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:52.120
<v Ivan>I'm sure they said it was woke and gay. they did say it was woke oh they said

01:19:52.120 --> 01:19:56.580
<v Ivan>it was woke oh shit okay I was only half right well.

01:19:56.580 --> 01:19:58.340
<v Sam>The whole yeah,

01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:04.040
<v Sam>On the one hand, who gives a shit about the stupid font?

01:20:04.220 --> 01:20:08.580
<v Sam>On the other, it actually was changed for a specific reason,

01:20:08.580 --> 01:20:11.320
<v Sam>which is that it's easier to read.

01:20:11.820 --> 01:20:12.060
<v Ivan>Yes!

01:20:12.380 --> 01:20:17.380
<v Sam>Which, by the way, it's easier to read for everyone, but it specifically makes

01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:21.900
<v Sam>a difference for people who have trouble with things like dyslexia.

01:20:22.740 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Sam>But it's easier for everyone, including the dyslexics. But it was done to make

01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:33.540
<v Sam>it easier for people to read who had, like, reading impairments of various sorts

01:20:33.540 --> 01:20:34.980
<v Sam>and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:20:35.380 --> 01:20:37.760
<v Sam>And so, of course, we need to undo that.

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:38.540
<v Ivan>Of course.

01:20:38.860 --> 01:20:40.080
<v Sam>To bring back Times New Roman.

01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:40.660
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.660
<v Sam>Because Times New Roman, it's the Romans.

01:20:43.660 --> 01:20:44.800
<v Ivan>It's a real manly font.

01:20:44.980 --> 01:20:49.020
<v Sam>It's manly. It's the Romans. It's got those twiddly little serifs.

01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:51.620
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. Yes, of course.

01:20:51.700 --> 01:20:54.100
<v Sam>And that's, of course, very manly when you have the little twiddly font.

01:20:54.100 --> 01:20:58.840
<v Ivan>I mean, you want a real manly font. You don't want like the sissy, you know, woke...

01:20:59.700 --> 01:21:04.220
<v Ivan>Font at the State Department. Yeah, when you're getting a letter from the State

01:21:04.220 --> 01:21:07.160
<v Ivan>Department, it needs to not be woke.

01:21:07.440 --> 01:21:12.020
<v Ivan>It needs to be, you know, it needs to have Department of War vibes,

01:21:12.420 --> 01:21:13.780
<v Ivan>not Department of Defense.

01:21:14.100 --> 01:21:16.900
<v Ivan>It needs to be war, Sam. You understand?

01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.740
<v Sam>You know, given that, you know.

01:21:21.740 --> 01:21:24.240
<v Ivan>You're in the fucking dumbest timeline, Sam.

01:21:24.780 --> 01:21:29.720
<v Sam>Yeah, it should it should be like one of those fonts that looks like the old military stencils.

01:21:30.540 --> 01:21:33.180
<v Ivan>I mean, if they wanted that, they should have gone to Courier.

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:35.440
<v Ivan>Honestly, fuck this shit.

01:21:35.660 --> 01:21:39.160
<v Sam>No, I'm thinking more like, you know, the logo for the A-team.

01:21:39.700 --> 01:21:43.880
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That, you know, damn it. That would have been.

01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:47.300
<v Ivan>Let's not say this too loud because all of a sudden.

01:21:47.780 --> 01:21:50.000
<v Sam>For everything, not just the titles and stuff.

01:21:50.300 --> 01:21:53.800
<v Ivan>Right. Why are we giving ideas? because this is like, you know,

01:21:53.860 --> 01:21:55.480
<v Ivan>they'll hear this. They're like, oh, yes.

01:21:56.280 --> 01:21:56.800
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:21:57.360 --> 01:22:01.320
<v Ivan>Anyway, this is the dumbest fuck.

01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:10.460
<v Ivan>I mean, every fucking day, these assholes take their time to attend to the dumbest,

01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:19.120
<v Ivan>most useless shit just to make some kind of score, some kind of points with,

01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:23.340
<v Ivan>you know, I don't know. incels.

01:22:25.630 --> 01:22:26.330
<v Sam>I don't know.

01:22:29.090 --> 01:22:33.270
<v Sam>It's all, you're right. It's all dumb. It's all performative. Well, not all.

01:22:34.230 --> 01:22:41.630
<v Sam>Look, the problem is the performative dumbness is done in a way that actively hurts people.

01:22:41.830 --> 01:22:45.670
<v Ivan>It's made to hurt people. Yes. It's made absolutely, absolutely.

01:22:45.670 --> 01:22:50.290
<v Sam>It's not just, like, if they were just changing the font and that was all the

01:22:50.290 --> 01:22:53.430
<v Sam>stuff they were doing, then, okay, whatever.

01:22:53.690 --> 01:22:59.270
<v Sam>Change the damn font. but it's everything. And it's like, even the font change

01:22:59.270 --> 01:23:05.230
<v Sam>is specifically like, Oh, people who have trouble reading, fuck them.

01:23:05.430 --> 01:23:05.990
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:23:06.110 --> 01:23:13.810
<v Sam>You know, but everything else. Oh, let's, let's attract, attack random boats near Venezuela.

01:23:14.150 --> 01:23:17.110
<v Sam>You know, let's, let's do,

01:23:18.180 --> 01:23:19.240
<v Sam>The most.

01:23:20.060 --> 01:23:21.020
<v Ivan>But Sam.

01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:25.100
<v Sam>Let's do deportations in the most harmful way we possibly could.

01:23:25.280 --> 01:23:29.920
<v Ivan>Trump said that they're full of drugs. Oh, yes. Coming to the U.S.

01:23:30.360 --> 01:23:32.220
<v Ivan>You know, with all these terrorists.

01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:33.760
<v Sam>I mean, you know.

01:23:33.780 --> 01:23:35.900
<v Ivan>They check they check the boats, you know.

01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:39.640
<v Sam>Well, and I was talking to you. I was mentioning harmful things that I keep

01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:47.580
<v Sam>thinking in between shows like the we've talked about the the harmful way.

01:23:47.580 --> 01:23:49.400
<v Sam>they're doing deportations and stuff.

01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:55.900
<v Sam>But I think it does not get enough attention that we've got tens of thousands,

01:23:56.320 --> 01:24:00.560
<v Sam>getting close to hundreds of thousands, of people under detention because they

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Sam>can't deport them immediately.

01:24:02.440 --> 01:24:06.480
<v Sam>We're just pulling people off the street who don't have their papers 100% in

01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:09.500
<v Sam>order and putting them into really...

01:24:09.500 --> 01:24:14.100
<v Ivan>And people who... Wait, wait, wait. We're pulling people who have their papers

01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:17.360
<v Ivan>in order, but they decided that they don't want them on the street anymore.

01:24:17.580 --> 01:24:23.020
<v Sam>That's true. And even occasionally rounding up American citizens in the process.

01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:23.640
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:24:24.120 --> 01:24:33.260
<v Sam>But from all reports, these detention centers are absolutely horrid in terms of the conditions.

01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:35.020
<v Ivan>Oh, so they're not the Ritz-Carlton, Sam, is what you're saying.

01:24:35.020 --> 01:24:40.540
<v Sam>They're not the Ritz-Carlton. They're not even close. They're worse than most

01:24:40.540 --> 01:24:42.940
<v Sam>prisons. And prisons are bad.

01:24:43.140 --> 01:24:44.160
<v Ivan>And prisons are bad.

01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.380
<v Sam>You know, and— I mean.

01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:50.380
<v Ivan>Actually, you know what? It would be a favor to send him to a regular federal prison.

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:52.220
<v Sam>In many cases, yeah.

01:24:52.700 --> 01:24:52.860
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:56.220
<v Sam>And we, because...

01:24:57.570 --> 01:25:03.530
<v Sam>Because we can't keep up with everything and we can't maintain a continuous

01:25:03.530 --> 01:25:09.510
<v Sam>level of outrage over everything all the time, I feel like some of these atrocities

01:25:09.510 --> 01:25:11.510
<v Sam>that are happening on a regular,

01:25:11.850 --> 01:25:15.110
<v Sam>everyday basis sort of fade into the background.

01:25:15.110 --> 01:25:20.410
<v Sam>And I don't know the right way to combat that, but I feel like some of these

01:25:20.410 --> 01:25:23.790
<v Sam>things aren't getting enough attention because the new shiny thing gets attention

01:25:23.790 --> 01:25:29.630
<v Sam>instead. But, like, I mean, we've got fucking concentration camps, essentially.

01:25:30.290 --> 01:25:30.690
<v Ivan>Yep.

01:25:31.250 --> 01:25:35.450
<v Sam>You know, and, you know, I've heard some stuff recently.

01:25:35.870 --> 01:25:39.890
<v Sam>You know, I guess I have not listened to it, but Rachel Maddow put out a new

01:25:39.890 --> 01:25:46.030
<v Sam>podcast in the last couple weeks about the history of the Japanese internment

01:25:46.030 --> 01:25:49.810
<v Sam>camps during World War II and some of the debate and back and forth that went on with that.

01:25:49.810 --> 01:25:53.630
<v Sam>And I'm actually listening to an audio book right now that covered some of the

01:25:53.630 --> 01:25:57.610
<v Sam>same ground in some of the chapters I was listening to recently in terms of

01:25:57.610 --> 01:26:01.650
<v Sam>the debates that happened over that and how basically the folks that were against

01:26:01.650 --> 01:26:02.910
<v Sam>it just lost out completely.

01:26:03.130 --> 01:26:09.310
<v Sam>And we're 100% there again right now. You know, it's atrocious.

01:26:09.550 --> 01:26:14.770
<v Sam>And the problem is there's so many things that are atrocious. What do you do?

01:26:14.770 --> 01:26:17.650
<v Ivan>Uh but i i mean it

01:26:17.650 --> 01:26:20.270
<v Ivan>it look it it's it's hard other than

01:26:20.270 --> 01:26:23.170
<v Ivan>what we do and talk about you know i i think

01:26:23.170 --> 01:26:27.090
<v Ivan>that we're we're trying to keep the visibility of this every week where we talk

01:26:27.090 --> 01:26:32.690
<v Ivan>about it in our tiny little podcast and but but also it's difficult to have

01:26:32.690 --> 01:26:37.330
<v Ivan>people look it's it's what happens to everybody in general when look if you're

01:26:37.330 --> 01:26:41.370
<v Ivan>being subjected to to miserable conditions every day.

01:26:41.970 --> 01:26:44.830
<v Ivan>Eventually, at some point, you start actually getting used to the miserable

01:26:44.830 --> 01:26:46.290
<v Ivan>conditions. Okay? All right?

01:26:47.330 --> 01:26:51.150
<v Ivan>It's just, you turn numb to it, to a certain extent.

01:26:51.410 --> 01:26:55.190
<v Sam>I mean, this is what people were talking about eight years ago with, like, normalization.

01:26:55.610 --> 01:27:00.030
<v Ivan>Right. You know? And, you know, we spend time here,

01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:05.200
<v Ivan>every week and we keep pounding

01:27:05.200 --> 01:27:12.180
<v Ivan>the pavement on it because i don't want people to feel that this is normal people

01:27:12.180 --> 01:27:16.940
<v Ivan>shouldn't feel that this is normal and i see you know like i said today look

01:27:16.940 --> 01:27:21.940
<v Ivan>i had my time that i spent today talking to people that for real are getting really hurt by this shit,

01:27:25.220 --> 01:27:30.240
<v Ivan>Yeah, and I do spend my time talking to people that are getting hurt by this

01:27:30.240 --> 01:27:33.000
<v Ivan>regularly, unfortunately.

01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:37.460
<v Ivan>You know, people that are scared to drive around. They're just scared to drive

01:27:37.460 --> 01:27:40.400
<v Ivan>around. They don't want to go to events. They don't want to do anything.

01:27:40.980 --> 01:27:49.280
<v Ivan>Even though, again, in many cases here, these people are here legally.

01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:50.440
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:27:50.700 --> 01:27:53.580
<v Ivan>But they don't have a green card. They don't have citizenship.

01:27:53.580 --> 01:27:58.720
<v Ivan>And they are scared to go and live their normal lives.

01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:03.420
<v Sam>Which, by the way, seems to be a significant part of the goal.

01:28:03.580 --> 01:28:05.240
<v Sam>That's exactly what they want.

01:28:06.120 --> 01:28:08.560
<v Sam>They want folks to become less visible.

01:28:08.700 --> 01:28:10.840
<v Ivan>I know. And it's horrible.

01:28:11.220 --> 01:28:14.620
<v Sam>This applies to immigration. This also applies to the trans issue.

01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.040
<v Sam>They just want these people to go back into hiding.

01:28:18.020 --> 01:28:22.060
<v Sam>They don't want this to be visible as something you see.

01:28:22.060 --> 01:28:24.980
<v Sam>they you know whether whether it's gay

01:28:24.980 --> 01:28:28.480
<v Sam>and trans people or whether especially trans

01:28:28.480 --> 01:28:32.700
<v Sam>they've sort of seems like the republicans are almost used to gay folks at this

01:28:32.700 --> 01:28:37.400
<v Sam>point but you know they feel like they can still win on trans they they don't

01:28:37.400 --> 01:28:42.820
<v Sam>want that to be a visible part of what they see when they go outside and they

01:28:42.820 --> 01:28:47.580
<v Sam>don't want to see not people who aren't white either you know yeah They.

01:28:47.580 --> 01:28:53.980
<v Ivan>Definitely don't want people that are not white or to speak another language, for that matter.

01:28:54.260 --> 01:29:00.040
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. That's not acceptable. You've got to speak American around here.

01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:03.400
<v Ivan>Yeah, you've got to speak American, yes. Very American.

01:29:04.480 --> 01:29:09.540
<v Sam>Okay, so let's see. What else do we have on the list here? I think we've—oh,

01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.460
<v Sam>well, what do you think is going to happen in Venezuela?

01:29:11.700 --> 01:29:14.220
<v Sam>You asked me, but you didn't. What's your own thought?

01:29:17.010 --> 01:29:20.910
<v Ivan>I keep thinking that Trump is going to get tempted into bumping off Maduro.

01:29:21.250 --> 01:29:28.610
<v Ivan>And by the way, here is one thing. In terms of, I would like to see Maduro gone. Okay?

01:29:28.790 --> 01:29:29.650
<v Sam>Because you don't like him either.

01:29:30.150 --> 01:29:33.870
<v Ivan>It's not just that I don't like him either. He's made millions of Venezuelans suffer.

01:29:34.070 --> 01:29:39.830
<v Ivan>I mean, the massive exodus of Venezuelans to places around the world because

01:29:39.830 --> 01:29:45.170
<v Ivan>of how his regime has made conditions in Venezuela untenable.

01:29:46.370 --> 01:29:49.450
<v Ivan>Forget about even if you're aligned with him politically.

01:29:50.710 --> 01:29:54.950
<v Ivan>Venezuela, violence that went through the roof.

01:29:55.250 --> 01:29:59.990
<v Ivan>Venezuela has had shortages of everything possible. The economy has imploded.

01:30:00.470 --> 01:30:03.730
<v Ivan>Safety is not there. you know,

01:30:03.870 --> 01:30:11.390
<v Ivan>they went through this process of destroying all the institutions and Maduro

01:30:11.390 --> 01:30:18.770
<v Ivan>violently attacks anybody who expresses dissent as well.

01:30:18.950 --> 01:30:22.970
<v Ivan>So it's not like Maduro is some kind of benevolent dictator.

01:30:23.170 --> 01:30:27.190
<v Ivan>Look, Maduro has been holding on to power illegally for a long time.

01:30:28.910 --> 01:30:34.350
<v Ivan>and so if you ask me in an abstract what do i want maduro gone yes i want maduro gone,

01:30:35.290 --> 01:30:39.210
<v Ivan>i would like it to see if it could be done through diplomatic channels there

01:30:39.210 --> 01:30:45.210
<v Ivan>had been some indications that he had been willing to leave given the pressure

01:30:45.210 --> 01:30:48.650
<v Ivan>that had been put on but my concern is that,

01:30:50.280 --> 01:30:54.260
<v Ivan>What Trump is doing isn't in

01:30:54.260 --> 01:30:59.520
<v Ivan>any way really inclined to do something good because he never does that.

01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:04.680
<v Sam>I'll just say you're absolutely right about Donald Trump. But even more generally, the U.S.

01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:10.600
<v Sam>has such an amazing record over the last, you know, 50, 60 years.

01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:16.140
<v Sam>Listen, the last time that we do interventions for regime change,

01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:21.560
<v Sam>whether it's in Latin America or the Middle East or anywhere else.

01:31:21.580 --> 01:31:22.180
<v Ivan>Here's the thing.

01:31:22.540 --> 01:31:24.080
<v Sam>We don't have a good record.

01:31:24.540 --> 01:31:30.060
<v Ivan>No, we don't, which is a problem. But the last time that we did one in Latin

01:31:30.060 --> 01:31:36.980
<v Ivan>America, it actually turned out positive, okay, which was in Panama when we arrested Noriega.

01:31:36.980 --> 01:31:42.240
<v Ivan>If you ask the Panamanian people, are they better off without Noriega,

01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.340
<v Ivan>their resounding answer is a yes, okay?

01:31:45.660 --> 01:31:50.140
<v Ivan>They thank God that the U.S. got rid of Noriega, okay? Okay.

01:31:51.380 --> 01:31:56.720
<v Ivan>So, so, so do you have that, but at the same time, a couple of times we tried

01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:01.480
<v Ivan>to do an intervention in Haiti, it never really, never really worked.

01:32:01.700 --> 01:32:03.660
<v Ivan>Nothing really positive came up, came of that.

01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:07.340
<v Ivan>Haiti is still in crisis. Actually, the crisis has gotten worse.

01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:11.280
<v Ivan>I don't think it really had to do with any intervention. So it would have been

01:32:11.280 --> 01:32:13.020
<v Ivan>just as bad if we had intervened, Whatever.

01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:17.200
<v Ivan>I think that that one, whatever we did had no effect.

01:32:17.900 --> 01:32:23.340
<v Ivan>But then you think about what's happened in Iraq, for example,

01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.340
<v Ivan>and, you know, all we did was chaos.

01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:31.060
<v Ivan>But the reality is that there has been no country.

01:32:31.060 --> 01:32:38.860
<v Sam>I'm just going to give you one quick comparison in terms of if you want somebody

01:32:38.860 --> 01:32:44.640
<v Sam>to have a chance of not completely screwing up a foreign engagement.

01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:51.040
<v Sam>Who would you prefer, Donald Trump or George H.W. Bush?

01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:56.180
<v Ivan>Fuck, I'm voting with Bush. H.W. or W?

01:32:56.500 --> 01:33:00.380
<v Sam>H.W. We were talking Panama. That was H.W..

01:33:00.380 --> 01:33:03.900
<v Ivan>Right? Exactly. Well, yes, H.W. did that. Exactly right.

01:33:04.500 --> 01:33:08.380
<v Sam>And look, I'm not saying that I approve of everything George H.W. Bush did.

01:33:09.060 --> 01:33:12.840
<v Sam>However, like, put on a comparison.

01:33:13.440 --> 01:33:16.120
<v Ivan>There's no comparison. I mean, there's no fucking comparison.

01:33:16.120 --> 01:33:20.060
<v Sam>I mean, frankly, with his son, either. I mean, George H.W.

01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.980
<v Ivan>Fuck, I'd say W. probably still over Trump doing this.

01:33:24.780 --> 01:33:28.740
<v Ivan>Because even W. in his misguided idiocy.

01:33:28.980 --> 01:33:35.480
<v Ivan>Wait, wait, wait. But here, W. in his misguided idiocy actually wanted something positive.

01:33:35.700 --> 01:33:38.880
<v Ivan>It was just misguided and stupid and naive as all hell.

01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:46.580
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, look, we've said before. I mean, pick any random person off the street.

01:33:46.660 --> 01:33:50.800
<v Sam>You've got a 95% chance they'll do better than Donald Trump.

01:33:50.900 --> 01:33:51.920
<v Ivan>Donald Trump, yes.

01:33:52.100 --> 01:33:57.860
<v Sam>You know, could you find worse? Yes, but you'd have to work at it.

01:33:58.020 --> 01:34:03.900
<v Ivan>You'd have to work at it, yes. You'd be hard-pressed. Yeah, so that's my problem.

01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.160
<v Ivan>The problem is it's so much to go.

01:34:06.820 --> 01:34:10.600
<v Sam>You've been going around in circles. What do you think is going to happen in Venezuela?

01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:15.060
<v Ivan>I think he's going to do it. i think the bastard's gonna do it you know i think

01:34:15.060 --> 01:34:18.860
<v Ivan>the bastard's gonna do it because this is trump 2.0 unchained unchained right

01:34:18.860 --> 01:34:24.240
<v Ivan>so right now his popularity is in the shit what what but what do you think though.

01:34:24.240 --> 01:34:29.160
<v Sam>Are you predicting sort of targeted assassination or are you talking like full.

01:34:29.160 --> 01:34:35.820
<v Ivan>Out right no i think he's gonna do the decapitation thing okay just knock you

01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:36.960
<v Ivan>know just just fucking like,

01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:39.020
<v Ivan>You know, take out Maduro.

01:34:39.340 --> 01:34:42.120
<v Sam>Maybe he learns from his mentor and he falls out a window.

01:34:42.660 --> 01:34:45.920
<v Ivan>Maybe. There you go. That could be. Yes.

01:34:47.040 --> 01:34:50.580
<v Ivan>Because that always keeps happening. Trump signs executive order for single

01:34:50.580 --> 01:34:53.080
<v Ivan>national AI regulation framework.

01:34:53.320 --> 01:34:56.820
<v Ivan>What the fuck? Does he even know what he's talking about?

01:34:56.980 --> 01:35:02.220
<v Sam>I saw something about that happening like a day or two ago. Did he actually sign it just now?

01:35:02.300 --> 01:35:04.000
<v Ivan>Apparently, he just signed it just now.

01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:04.900
<v Sam>Okay.

01:35:04.980 --> 01:35:06.040
<v Ivan>Does he even know what he's signing?

01:35:06.740 --> 01:35:07.800
<v Sam>I'm sure he doesn't.

01:35:08.140 --> 01:35:10.340
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't either.

01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:16.700
<v Sam>You remember that, what country was it the former president of that he just

01:35:16.700 --> 01:35:18.360
<v Sam>pardoned for drug charges?

01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:22.280
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. The Honduran guy.

01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:28.120
<v Sam>Jesus Christ. Now, when asked about the specifics of that scenario,

01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:32.640
<v Sam>Donald Trump very, no qualms whatsoever.

01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:36.160
<v Sam>He said, like, oh, I don't know about the details of the case,

01:35:36.260 --> 01:35:42.940
<v Sam>but people I trust told me he was railroaded just like I was railroaded.

01:35:42.940 --> 01:35:48.540
<v Sam>And it was weaponization of politics and the people who, you know,

01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:52.240
<v Sam>his opponents didn't like him. And that's what this was.

01:35:52.360 --> 01:35:59.120
<v Sam>And that's why I pardoned him. but it didn't even pretend to know any details

01:35:59.120 --> 01:36:03.680
<v Sam>whatsoever about the situation or even who the guy was.

01:36:03.900 --> 01:36:08.840
<v Sam>Same thing. He pardoned some crypto guy, uh, like last month or whatever.

01:36:09.100 --> 01:36:14.040
<v Ivan>Just criming. Like, you know, well, actually no, the one that last month, right.

01:36:14.200 --> 01:36:16.840
<v Ivan>But, but there's a guy that he pardoned like about, you know,

01:36:16.980 --> 01:36:21.600
<v Ivan>I can't remember when it was like recently that you just went back to fraud, like right away. Yeah.

01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:26.200
<v Sam>Is there another reason you'd pardon them? You want them to do that,

01:36:26.320 --> 01:36:28.380
<v Sam>right? I don't know. Like.

01:36:29.380 --> 01:36:35.140
<v Ivan>Well, by the way, here's one thing. Honduras itself has issued an arrest warrant

01:36:35.140 --> 01:36:38.460
<v Ivan>to go and throw this guy in jail.

01:36:38.620 --> 01:36:43.680
<v Sam>You know what would be really amusing? The guy apparently, the Honduran president

01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.400
<v Sam>who was released, was released for a prison in Kentucky or whatever.

01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:52.000
<v Sam>So I guess he's just wandering around in Kentucky right now or something like

01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.700
<v Sam>that. But it would be really hilarious if ICE picks him up now.

01:36:55.180 --> 01:36:56.920
<v Ivan>That would be great. That would be hilarious.

01:36:57.540 --> 01:36:58.120
<v Sam>You know?

01:36:58.620 --> 01:37:00.120
<v Ivan>And they deport him to Honduras.

01:37:00.360 --> 01:37:02.880
<v Sam>What is exactly his visa situation at the moment?

01:37:02.980 --> 01:37:04.220
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:37:05.260 --> 01:37:06.420
<v Sam>Does he have a work permit?

01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:09.900
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. You know what he's going to do? He's going to,

01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:13.220
<v Ivan>you know, they opened that Trump gold card thing this week.

01:37:13.420 --> 01:37:14.340
<v Sam>Oh, yes, yes.

01:37:14.340 --> 01:37:17.000
<v Ivan>So he's just going to buy a Trump gold card and that's it. Problem solved.

01:37:17.580 --> 01:37:17.960
<v Sam>Okay.

01:37:18.660 --> 01:37:22.720
<v Ivan>There you go. Listen, here's the amazing thing. Right now, we won't give asylum,

01:37:22.980 --> 01:37:29.520
<v Ivan>we won't do anything, whatever, but, but, but, if you buy a Trump gold card

01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:32.200
<v Ivan>and you go to Mar-a-Lago and buy a membership,

01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:34.520
<v Ivan>damn it, we're going to give you citizenship, Sam.

01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:36.300
<v Ivan>Right away.

01:37:36.740 --> 01:37:44.280
<v Sam>Of course. Yes. Of course, one of the things that there were new stats and polls

01:37:44.280 --> 01:37:47.780
<v Sam>on this recently, but it's been building for a long time.

01:37:48.280 --> 01:37:51.820
<v Sam>The number of people who actually want to come is, of course,

01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:54.560
<v Sam>plummeting, which is, of course, what these guys want.

01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:57.520
<v Sam>Right. They don't want people to want to come. They want them to stay away.

01:37:57.700 --> 01:38:01.460
<v Sam>But it's working like tourism is down dramatically.

01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:06.720
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Tourism. We have lost so much money. We've lost about $30 billion.

01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:10.160
<v Sam>People don't want to go to university. People don't want to go to university here anymore.

01:38:10.620 --> 01:38:14.800
<v Sam>People don't want to visit here for tourism. People aren't wanting to come for

01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:18.760
<v Sam>jobs, you know, because we're making it a hostile place.

01:38:19.180 --> 01:38:22.760
<v Ivan>Well, look, there is a reduction in demand. It's not like nobody's coming. Okay.

01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.680
<v Sam>Well, yes, there is a reduction. It's not going to zero. No.

01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:28.380
<v Ivan>But there is definitely...

01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:34.960
<v Ivan>I mean, we're driving people away. We're driving money away. Okay?

01:38:35.200 --> 01:38:40.740
<v Ivan>We're driving students away. And it's just, my whole thing is that they're all

01:38:40.740 --> 01:38:44.000
<v Ivan>framing this somehow as a positive to the economy.

01:38:44.300 --> 01:38:46.060
<v Ivan>And it never has been.

01:38:46.660 --> 01:38:53.000
<v Ivan>All the nations that we know around the world that have low immigration,

01:38:53.400 --> 01:38:57.000
<v Ivan>their economies have been in the shit. Okay? Okay.

01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:03.720
<v Ivan>Immigration, almost everything you see has been a net positive for the economy.

01:39:04.380 --> 01:39:08.580
<v Ivan>And so, you know, when they try to, you know, now they're trying to blame immigration

01:39:08.580 --> 01:39:11.920
<v Ivan>for all the problems when they, now that they deport all the people to make

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.020
<v Ivan>economy worse, what are they going to blame it on now? Well,

01:39:14.040 --> 01:39:14.920
<v Ivan>they're going to blame Biden.

01:39:16.220 --> 01:39:18.780
<v Ivan>Obviously, that's the first person they're going to blame. It's just going to

01:39:18.780 --> 01:39:21.080
<v Ivan>blame Biden. But you still got to blame Biden.

01:39:21.080 --> 01:39:27.680
<v Sam>No, you blame Biden, but then you start blaming the internal folks who don't

01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:28.900
<v Sam>fit the mold that you want.

01:39:29.080 --> 01:39:33.540
<v Sam>You're going to blame non-white people. You're going to blame the gays.

01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:34.600
<v Sam>You're going to blame the trans.

01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:38.220
<v Sam>You're going to blame non-Christians. You're going to blame,

01:39:38.580 --> 01:39:40.880
<v Sam>you know, whatever. And of course, the liberals.

01:39:41.160 --> 01:39:46.180
<v Sam>Anybody who's liberal, progressive, you're obviously a traitorous third column,

01:39:46.360 --> 01:39:48.920
<v Sam>right? You know, and yeah.

01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.380
<v Ivan>But my point is, yeah, yeah, but, but, but, okay.

01:39:51.460 --> 01:39:55.320
<v Sam>This is how these kinds of regimes work, right? Like they, the,

01:39:55.400 --> 01:39:58.220
<v Sam>the, the universe of who's the enemy grows.

01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:03.060
<v Ivan>But I hate to break it to you, Sam, that doesn't make you a lot more popular.

01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:13.480
<v Sam>No. Which is why it is often paired with increasingly brutal crackdowns as you

01:40:13.480 --> 01:40:16.320
<v Sam>narrow that universe of who the good guys are.

01:40:17.200 --> 01:40:21.580
<v Sam>And then one way or another, hopefully you snap out of it at some point.

01:40:21.580 --> 01:40:24.920
<v Ivan>One of the things that I'm starting to see,

01:40:25.080 --> 01:40:32.320
<v Ivan>like, it's just that for one of our advantages in these scenarios,

01:40:32.320 --> 01:40:35.080
<v Ivan>because even as they spend all this money and whatever,

01:40:35.140 --> 01:40:39.120
<v Ivan>because you've seen how they're struggling to hire competent people,

01:40:39.120 --> 01:40:43.260
<v Ivan>like for this massive budgetary expansion for ICE and whatever.

01:40:43.260 --> 01:40:46.740
<v Ivan>I mean, like right now, they're basically just hiring. I mean, they're hiring.

01:40:47.060 --> 01:40:52.020
<v Ivan>They're down to hiring, like, you know, just totally unqualified people.

01:40:52.160 --> 01:40:54.520
<v Ivan>They can't even do the job. No training whatsoever.

01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:58.380
<v Sam>Yvonne, I am job hunting.

01:40:59.220 --> 01:41:03.700
<v Ivan>Nice. Hey, they got $50,000. You know, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

01:41:04.360 --> 01:41:09.820
<v Ivan>They got that $50,000 bonus. Okay. All right. Find out what you got to do to

01:41:09.820 --> 01:41:12.100
<v Ivan>get the $50,000 bonus and then quit.

01:41:12.100 --> 01:41:13.100
<v Sam>And then immediately quit.

01:41:13.260 --> 01:41:13.760
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:14.120
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.040
<v Ivan>I do like this thought. Yeah.

01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:24.280
<v Sam>I disrupt from within by like intentionally being incompetent and unable to

01:41:24.280 --> 01:41:25.860
<v Sam>do the things they want you to do.

01:41:27.200 --> 01:41:31.840
<v Ivan>You know, I think, you know, the problem is, Sam, that they're not struggling

01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:33.840
<v Ivan>at fighting those people. Can I be honest?

01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:41.780
<v Sam>They're already nicely incompetent. No, I don't think that that is something

01:41:41.780 --> 01:41:44.220
<v Sam>I could consider. It's just like morally Republican.

01:41:44.500 --> 01:41:49.660
<v Ivan>The thing is, what I'm saying is that because the United States doesn't really

01:41:49.660 --> 01:41:51.860
<v Ivan>have like a lot of other countries—,

01:41:53.240 --> 01:42:01.180
<v Ivan>Police, the largest law enforcement is a federal police, a national police. Okay. All right.

01:42:02.460 --> 01:42:07.560
<v Ivan>Russia has a national police. Okay. This is not in control of like individual

01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.600
<v Ivan>like states, governments, or whatever, whatnot.

01:42:10.120 --> 01:42:12.520
<v Sam>By comparison, like the FBI is small.

01:42:13.480 --> 01:42:18.760
<v Ivan>The FBI is tiny. Okay. The FBI is like, you know, I think total employees like

01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:20.180
<v Ivan>10,000, something like that.

01:42:20.320 --> 01:42:22.840
<v Ivan>It's not a hell of a whole lot of people. Okay.

01:42:23.240 --> 01:42:25.460
<v Ivan>FBI is a tiny organization, okay?

01:42:25.980 --> 01:42:29.560
<v Ivan>So whereas, you know, you go to like, I'm going to look up like,

01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:30.940
<v Ivan>say, Russian National Police.

01:42:31.160 --> 01:42:37.080
<v Ivan>I mean, that's got to be larger than Army, you know, for example.

01:42:37.500 --> 01:42:46.460
<v Ivan>And so the one positive thing that you have is that we don't have that structure, okay?

01:42:46.620 --> 01:42:52.980
<v Ivan>They have 900,000 people in the Russian National Police, for example.

01:42:52.980 --> 01:42:55.300
<v Ivan>900,000, almost a million people.

01:42:55.720 --> 01:43:00.160
<v Ivan>And national police forces are of that kind of a size, you know,

01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:02.940
<v Ivan>a million people, 2 million, you know.

01:43:03.320 --> 01:43:07.300
<v Ivan>And so he doesn't have that, okay, at his disposal.

01:43:07.320 --> 01:43:11.320
<v Ivan>And so that's the benefit of, so it makes it more difficult.

01:43:11.500 --> 01:43:17.940
<v Ivan>He is obviously trying to inflict pain from all the points that he can to make

01:43:17.940 --> 01:43:21.880
<v Ivan>it miserable for people. But it's difficult in the U.S.

01:43:22.040 --> 01:43:25.680
<v Ivan>as a president, as much as you want to try.

01:43:26.360 --> 01:43:31.120
<v Ivan>And, you know, that's one thing that the Constitution didn't fuck up,

01:43:31.260 --> 01:43:37.780
<v Ivan>to be honest, that it does make it difficult for a president to be as repressive

01:43:37.780 --> 01:43:39.600
<v Ivan>as they are in other countries.

01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:44.280
<v Ivan>They just don't have the scope of the control that's all the way down.

01:43:44.420 --> 01:43:49.420
<v Ivan>Obviously, it's not like they haven't made it miserable so far. but I do think.

01:43:50.850 --> 01:43:56.190
<v Ivan>These guys, they're trying all this shit. A lot of people are not happy with them.

01:43:58.480 --> 01:44:03.200
<v Ivan>Even with all the threats that he did to Indiana, they went and they said,

01:44:03.240 --> 01:44:04.820
<v Ivan>no, we're not doing this.

01:44:05.980 --> 01:44:08.640
<v Ivan>And like we talked about, we talked about the lame duck thing.

01:44:08.980 --> 01:44:13.440
<v Ivan>The lame duck thing has an effect. So, you know, he can go and like there's still.

01:44:13.860 --> 01:44:19.300
<v Ivan>Listen, I'm not saying that he is not going to continue to inflict misery on us because he will.

01:44:22.400 --> 01:44:27.400
<v Ivan>Unfortunately, for the foreseeable future. But it's just his,

01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:35.260
<v Ivan>you know, he is not, thankfully, I think that his effectiveness at doing this

01:44:35.260 --> 01:44:38.000
<v Ivan>is weakening to a certain extent.

01:44:38.820 --> 01:44:45.820
<v Sam>Right. Okay. Anything else we want to cover here before we start wrapping things up?

01:44:46.540 --> 01:44:50.900
<v Ivan>Let me see. Anything? Well, I'll mention one thing.

01:44:51.580 --> 01:44:56.100
<v Ivan>They couldn't reindict Letitia James, huh? No matter how much they tried, huh?

01:44:58.120 --> 01:45:04.220
<v Sam>Well, who knows? They may try again. So far, two grand juries have said that

01:45:04.220 --> 01:45:05.600
<v Sam>they're not going to indict her.

01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:12.280
<v Sam>They tried once, like, last week, and they just tried again today,

01:45:12.460 --> 01:45:18.700
<v Sam>apparently, and the new grand jury backed up what the first one said and was

01:45:18.700 --> 01:45:21.440
<v Sam>like, are you kidding me? No. So.

01:45:21.780 --> 01:45:23.260
<v Ivan>That's pretty pathetic.

01:45:24.240 --> 01:45:31.440
<v Sam>Just in general, the increase of, like, you know, the standard line that people

01:45:31.440 --> 01:45:35.740
<v Sam>repeat over and over again is grand juries will indict a ham sandwich.

01:45:35.940 --> 01:45:38.780
<v Sam>They're just a rubber stamp off whatever the prosecutors want.

01:45:39.080 --> 01:45:45.980
<v Sam>And it's not really an effective step in the process because it's very close

01:45:45.980 --> 01:45:51.900
<v Sam>to a rubber stamp. Over the last few months, this administration has been showing,

01:45:53.390 --> 01:46:00.610
<v Sam>Well, the reason that's true is because, in general, prosecutors do their job

01:46:00.610 --> 01:46:06.870
<v Sam>well and don't even take it to a grand jury unless they're fairly sure they've got a really good,

01:46:07.310 --> 01:46:09.190
<v Sam>unless there's really a case.

01:46:09.350 --> 01:46:15.170
<v Sam>Over and over and over again, over the last couple months, this administration

01:46:15.170 --> 01:46:19.470
<v Sam>has been trying to indict people for one thing or another, and grand juries

01:46:19.470 --> 01:46:21.490
<v Sam>have been saying, no, are you kidding me?

01:46:22.090 --> 01:46:24.450
<v Sam>They wouldn't indict that sandwich-throwing guy.

01:46:24.710 --> 01:46:24.870
<v Ivan>Nope.

01:46:24.970 --> 01:46:31.050
<v Sam>They're not indicting James. And this was after, of course, the first indictment

01:46:31.050 --> 01:46:33.830
<v Sam>where they did get an indictment over both James and Comey.

01:46:33.830 --> 01:46:34.590
<v Ivan>And then those got dismissed.

01:46:34.930 --> 01:46:35.830
<v Sam>Comey, was it?

01:46:36.430 --> 01:46:36.590
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:46:36.930 --> 01:46:41.610
<v Sam>Well, those were thrown out because the prosecutor was illegally appointed.

01:46:41.950 --> 01:46:42.190
<v Ivan>Right.

01:46:42.330 --> 01:46:44.930
<v Sam>Because they didn't even follow the right procedures for that.

01:46:45.670 --> 01:46:53.150
<v Sam>Although apparently I heard today earlier they have actually nominated her officially

01:46:53.150 --> 01:46:55.090
<v Sam>to go through the Senate process.

01:46:55.390 --> 01:46:58.470
<v Sam>So we'll see what happens there. And apparently they did it a while ago,

01:46:58.470 --> 01:47:01.670
<v Sam>but they just didn't issue a press release on it.

01:47:01.890 --> 01:47:06.310
<v Sam>Like normally, whenever the president nominates somebody for some position.

01:47:06.530 --> 01:47:08.030
<v Ivan>They make a big deal out of it.

01:47:08.170 --> 01:47:12.770
<v Sam>They make a press release. They introduce blah, blah, blah. Apparently, weeks ago,

01:47:13.170 --> 01:47:21.070
<v Sam>they sent over this nomination to the Senate without mentioning it in any other

01:47:21.070 --> 01:47:25.970
<v Sam>way other than transmitting the nomination to the Senate committee who needs to receive it.

01:47:26.500 --> 01:47:33.000
<v Sam>That's it. So they, but they are apparently trying to do that at this point

01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:38.660
<v Sam>because, you know, you know, cause, but here's, let's be clear.

01:47:38.860 --> 01:47:40.980
<v Sam>This is not the only person they've appointed illegally.

01:47:41.200 --> 01:47:44.340
<v Ivan>They're, they're not getting, but my point is that look, this is another part

01:47:44.340 --> 01:47:48.760
<v Ivan>of it. Look, it's not getting, listen, he's been trying, he's been trying for months.

01:47:49.180 --> 01:47:54.240
<v Ivan>Okay. To get these people like to, to like court, the closest he got was,

01:47:54.420 --> 01:47:58.320
<v Ivan>you know, to, to show up at court and to have, the case dismissed like right out of hand.

01:47:58.320 --> 01:48:01.360
<v Sam>Right i i'm

01:48:01.360 --> 01:48:04.820
<v Sam>still waiting for the the indictments

01:48:04.820 --> 01:48:08.160
<v Sam>of hillary clinton and and biden

01:48:08.160 --> 01:48:12.700
<v Sam>and obama and all of those kinds for some reason he's being slow with those

01:48:12.700 --> 01:48:19.220
<v Sam>i don't i don't know why yeah maybe maybe he'll skip that part entirely and

01:48:19.220 --> 01:48:24.840
<v Sam>invite them to see if maybe they'll accidentally be on a boat north of Venezuela.

01:48:27.400 --> 01:48:32.260
<v Ivan>They're going to decide to take a cruise on a boat north of Venezuela.

01:48:32.480 --> 01:48:35.100
<v Ivan>That's what you're saying. Hey, we got a little,

01:48:37.300 --> 01:48:42.400
<v Ivan>boat. We're going to go north of Venezuela. The discussion I was having about

01:48:42.400 --> 01:48:45.580
<v Ivan>this, this is something I mentioned when I was over in Guyana.

01:48:45.700 --> 01:48:48.900
<v Ivan>I was talking about people like, you know, they're afraid to go on their fucking

01:48:48.900 --> 01:48:50.900
<v Ivan>boats just to go fishing around there, okay?

01:48:51.900 --> 01:48:53.020
<v Sam>Right, of course.

01:48:53.420 --> 01:48:56.280
<v Ivan>I mean, they're all, like, just freaked out. They're like, well,

01:48:56.460 --> 01:48:58.160
<v Ivan>shit, I might get blown out of the water.

01:48:59.530 --> 01:49:01.930
<v Ivan>This is a ridiculous shit that this president does.

01:49:02.570 --> 01:49:07.670
<v Sam>Well, and so far the administration has not actually provided any proof that

01:49:07.670 --> 01:49:10.570
<v Sam>these boats are what they say they are at all. They just like trust us.

01:49:10.690 --> 01:49:11.030
<v Ivan>You know.

01:49:11.130 --> 01:49:13.210
<v Sam>And of course, they're the most trustworthy in the world.

01:49:13.470 --> 01:49:18.270
<v Ivan>You know, every fucking day that I see these people with a false equivalency

01:49:18.270 --> 01:49:22.130
<v Ivan>saying, well, Obama executed people, you know, with drones.

01:49:22.590 --> 01:49:27.470
<v Ivan>And I'm like, look, in each one of those, there was some kind of process where

01:49:27.470 --> 01:49:29.110
<v Ivan>there was a finding done.

01:49:29.350 --> 01:49:33.070
<v Ivan>Who is it that we're targeting? Why are we targeting? They went through a process.

01:49:33.270 --> 01:49:36.850
<v Ivan>They didn't just go and just randomly shoot some fucking boats in the water.

01:49:37.050 --> 01:49:42.050
<v Ivan>And look, you can still and you may still argue that that was an illegal act.

01:49:42.570 --> 01:49:47.550
<v Ivan>But the reality is that if you go to every single one of those,

01:49:47.730 --> 01:49:49.910
<v Ivan>this was not just, you know,

01:49:50.210 --> 01:49:53.910
<v Ivan>out of pulling out of your ass, deciding, hey, there's a boat over there,

01:49:54.110 --> 01:49:59.170
<v Ivan>looks like drug runners, let me just shoot at it. That's not what was done.

01:50:00.250 --> 01:50:04.110
<v Sam>Yes, they had a process, and they did make some mistakes. They killed some civilians

01:50:04.110 --> 01:50:06.670
<v Sam>that they shouldn't have, but in most cases, they admitted it,

01:50:06.770 --> 01:50:12.510
<v Sam>they apologized, they sent money, blah, blah, blah, you know, et cetera.

01:50:13.550 --> 01:50:18.410
<v Sam>But yes, there was a process. They were criticized that the process was too heavy and too slow.

01:50:19.430 --> 01:50:23.030
<v Sam>And, of course, that's part of the reaction in the Trump administration is against

01:50:23.030 --> 01:50:25.990
<v Sam>some of that stuff. You know, they don't want a process.

01:50:26.550 --> 01:50:28.210
<v Ivan>They want to just be able to do whatever—.

01:50:29.090 --> 01:50:32.790
<v Sam>Exactly. Do whatever the hell we want, and we don't have to follow rules.

01:50:33.090 --> 01:50:36.290
<v Sam>That's the whole point of almost everything they do.

01:50:36.630 --> 01:50:37.110
<v Ivan>Rules?

01:50:37.370 --> 01:50:43.830
<v Sam>Yeah. They don't believe that the presidency should be constrained by rules

01:50:43.830 --> 01:50:46.630
<v Sam>or process imposed from outside. At all.

01:50:47.090 --> 01:50:47.430
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:50:47.770 --> 01:50:53.150
<v Sam>Yeah. That's the whole idea behind the whole unitary executive thing that the

01:50:53.150 --> 01:50:55.370
<v Sam>Supreme Court seems to like a lot at the moment.

01:50:56.050 --> 01:50:56.590
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:50:57.310 --> 01:50:59.590
<v Sam>Okay. Can we wrap it up?

01:51:00.230 --> 01:51:00.650
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:51:01.550 --> 01:51:02.030
<v Sam>Okay.

01:51:04.890 --> 01:51:10.210
<v Sam>Go to curmudgeon-corner.com. You can see all our stuff, all the ways to contact

01:51:10.210 --> 01:51:13.830
<v Sam>us, all our old shows, transcripts of shows.

01:51:14.010 --> 01:51:19.230
<v Sam>You know, I was talking to somebody at one of these Snohomish podcast thing

01:51:19.230 --> 01:51:24.830
<v Sam>events yesterday who said they don't have time to listen to our show.

01:51:24.830 --> 01:51:27.670
<v Sam>It's too long, but they read the transcript.

01:51:28.550 --> 01:51:33.230
<v Ivan>Oh, you know, that I've done that with certain shows that I'm like,

01:51:33.310 --> 01:51:37.030
<v Ivan>well, I don't have time to read, but I'll read a transcript of the show. Yeah.

01:51:37.630 --> 01:51:38.350
<v Ivan>I'll do that.

01:51:38.630 --> 01:51:43.310
<v Sam>So I'm like, okay, cool. I guess I'm glad I added those.

01:51:43.890 --> 01:51:47.830
<v Sam>Thanks to Pete for suggesting it a few years back.

01:51:48.070 --> 01:51:54.790
<v Sam>But yeah, no, I kind of laughed. Like, okay, fine. That's fine. You can do that.

01:51:55.530 --> 01:51:59.630
<v Sam>But anyway, yes, our transcripts are on there, all the ways to contact us,

01:51:59.810 --> 01:52:01.230
<v Sam>old shows, blah, blah, blah.

01:52:02.130 --> 01:52:05.530
<v Sam>and uh alex wants me to tell

01:52:05.530 --> 01:52:08.570
<v Sam>people that at that event i

01:52:08.570 --> 01:52:12.210
<v Sam>did wear an ugly sweater that he made there and

01:52:12.210 --> 01:52:17.890
<v Sam>uh emily from the no serve podcast posted it on her instagram i believe if you

01:52:17.890 --> 01:52:22.670
<v Sam>want to go searching for that but basically i'd been this this meeting was supposed

01:52:22.670 --> 01:52:27.370
<v Sam>to have like an ugly sweater theme for like ugly christmas sweaters and as i

01:52:27.370 --> 01:52:30.050
<v Sam>was getting ready to go i'd been telling Alex, you know,

01:52:30.270 --> 01:52:33.750
<v Sam>I looked through my sweaters and none were sufficiently ugly.

01:52:34.370 --> 01:52:38.490
<v Sam>I mean, I'm not to say that none were ugly at all, but none were sufficiently

01:52:38.490 --> 01:52:40.230
<v Sam>ugly for that kind of theme.

01:52:40.710 --> 01:52:46.550
<v Sam>So of course he pulled out an old ratty, one of his sweaters and decorated it

01:52:46.550 --> 01:52:48.970
<v Sam>by hand in various ways to make it even uglier.

01:52:49.070 --> 01:52:52.890
<v Ivan>I gotta admit that he did a great, he did a great job of painting the Abel's May symbol on it too.

01:52:53.090 --> 01:52:56.010
<v Sam>He did paint the Abel's May symbol on it. And on the back

01:52:56.010 --> 01:52:59.210
<v Sam>of it it had like the pattern from a minecraft

01:52:59.210 --> 01:53:05.370
<v Sam>character i had from the skin and then there were some like some some sort of

01:53:05.370 --> 01:53:12.090
<v Sam>fluffy stuff that looked like a vaguely santa-like blob on it that was all glued

01:53:12.090 --> 01:53:17.330
<v Sam>on it in various ways anyway i won the ugly sweater contest yeah oh god yeah.

01:53:17.330 --> 01:53:20.610
<v Ivan>Well i you should yeah damn yeah if you didn't win.

01:53:20.610 --> 01:53:23.750
<v Sam>With that i mean fuck yeah so anyway

01:53:23.750 --> 01:53:32.030
<v Sam>so yes anyway importantly also on curmudgeon-corner.com you can do what.

01:53:32.030 --> 01:53:33.150
<v Ivan>Oh yes.

01:53:33.150 --> 01:53:34.770
<v Sam>You can give us money patreon.

01:53:34.770 --> 01:53:40.830
<v Ivan>At money yeah at this point and right now we need we sure need it.

01:53:43.750 --> 01:53:46.770
<v Sam>That is right it is important

01:53:46.770 --> 01:53:50.030
<v Sam>give us tons tons and tons

01:53:50.030 --> 01:53:57.950
<v Sam>of cash and let's see there we go and yeah so at various levels get mentioned

01:53:57.950 --> 01:54:00.950
<v Sam>on the show we can ring a bell we can send you a postcard we could send you

01:54:00.950 --> 01:54:07.050
<v Sam>a mug but at two dollars a month or more or if you just ask us we will invite you

01:54:07.140 --> 01:54:11.740
<v Sam>to Curmudgeon's Corner Slack, where Yvonne and I and a bunch of listeners are

01:54:11.740 --> 01:54:13.760
<v Sam>sharing links and chatting throughout the week.

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:18.780
<v Sam>So, Yvonne, what is something that has been talked about on the Curmudgeon's

01:54:18.780 --> 01:54:23.320
<v Sam>Corner Slack over the last week that we have not mentioned on the show?

01:54:24.040 --> 01:54:28.780
<v Ivan>Woman-hating podcaster admits that he's never slept with a woman.

01:54:29.120 --> 01:54:34.480
<v Ivan>Nick Fuentes addresses intimate affairs as he sparred with conservative pundit Pierce Morgan.

01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:40.480
<v Ivan>So, Nick Fuentes goes on some kind of show with Piers Morgan, not exactly like Mr.

01:54:42.380 --> 01:54:48.080
<v Ivan>Paragon of Journalism guy here, and admitted under questioning that he,

01:54:48.280 --> 01:54:52.700
<v Ivan>by the way, if I remember correctly, he's the first guy that said, your body, my choice.

01:54:53.280 --> 01:54:55.200
<v Ivan>Okay. That was him.

01:54:56.180 --> 01:54:59.340
<v Ivan>So Mr. Your body, my choice, basically.

01:55:00.060 --> 01:55:03.760
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I'm remembering the phrase. I know he's the one that said it,

01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:07.180
<v Ivan>But I was trying to say, yeah, it's your body, my choice. That's what he said.

01:55:07.420 --> 01:55:10.920
<v Ivan>So he said this shit. Well, guess what?

01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:17.500
<v Ivan>Apparently, no, he hasn't had any choice with anybody because no woman will sleep with him.

01:55:18.040 --> 01:55:20.460
<v Sam>Now, is he an incel or is he gay?

01:55:21.080 --> 01:55:25.280
<v Ivan>He said he's an incel. Basically, he said he said he's not gay.

01:55:25.580 --> 01:55:26.860
<v Ivan>He declared that he's not gay.

01:55:27.980 --> 01:55:30.840
<v Sam>Well, do you trust that coming out of these kind of folks?

01:55:32.850 --> 01:55:37.010
<v Sam>So, but he could be both. He could be both.

01:55:37.530 --> 01:55:38.030
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:55:38.370 --> 01:55:45.350
<v Sam>Now, he did not say he did not have sex with men. He only apparently said he didn't with women. So.

01:55:46.380 --> 01:55:52.180
<v Ivan>Okay. And, you know, so, but yeah, but this is the, this is the, uh.

01:55:52.360 --> 01:55:55.860
<v Sam>And back when, back when that whole Kirk thing came up, like the guy who shot

01:55:55.860 --> 01:55:57.540
<v Sam>Kirk and they were talking about like,

01:55:58.260 --> 01:56:03.240
<v Sam>uh, apparently there, there's stuff that came out about that sub various subcultures

01:56:03.240 --> 01:56:08.180
<v Sam>that I did not know about before, but apparently on the conservative side of

01:56:08.180 --> 01:56:11.440
<v Sam>things, there is a subculture.

01:56:11.740 --> 01:56:14.240
<v Ivan>What do I know about now that you're going to tell me?

01:56:14.240 --> 01:56:22.040
<v Sam>This is the subculture of femboys who are not, they distinguish themselves from

01:56:22.040 --> 01:56:24.360
<v Sam>trans people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:24.360 --> 01:56:27.120
<v Ivan>But that's, okay, but what has it got to do with conservatives?

01:56:27.300 --> 01:56:28.200
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, those exist.

01:56:28.220 --> 01:56:37.100
<v Sam>No, it's because you have these conservative incels who, because of their positions

01:56:37.100 --> 01:56:40.320
<v Sam>and their attitude towards women, are actually repulsive towards women.

01:56:40.320 --> 01:56:45.780
<v Sam>But they are actually attracted towards women. So there's this culture of femboys

01:56:45.780 --> 01:56:54.200
<v Sam>who will dress up as and act as women to be the sex object of these conservative

01:56:54.200 --> 01:56:57.880
<v Sam>incels because they can't get actual women,

01:56:58.020 --> 01:57:03.140
<v Sam>but they can get men who pretend to be women, but who aren't trans and who aren't

01:57:03.140 --> 01:57:05.740
<v Sam>otherwise identifying themselves that way,

01:57:05.900 --> 01:57:09.920
<v Sam>but who—they will say they're men.

01:57:09.920 --> 01:57:15.580
<v Sam>They will say, I am a man, but I am a man who likes to dress as a woman and

01:57:15.580 --> 01:57:19.620
<v Sam>act like a woman and be as feminine as I possibly can.

01:57:20.980 --> 01:57:29.320
<v Sam>And these conservatives who are otherwise incels feel that, well,

01:57:29.440 --> 01:57:30.860
<v Sam>at least I can get these femboys.

01:57:31.460 --> 01:57:36.280
<v Sam>And I'm not gay either. I'm not gay. I'm not gay at all. But because,

01:57:36.440 --> 01:57:38.020
<v Sam>you know, they act like women.

01:57:38.820 --> 01:57:43.440
<v Sam>And this was one of the things that came up after the whole Charlie Kirk thing

01:57:43.440 --> 01:57:46.840
<v Sam>is that there's apparently this whole subculture of this kind of stuff going on, too.

01:57:47.300 --> 01:57:51.880
<v Ivan>Wait, why does this have to do with Charlie Kirk? Why did this have to do with Charlie Kirk?

01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:56.640
<v Sam>Oh, because they were talking about how the guy who killed him had a boyfriend

01:57:56.640 --> 01:58:00.680
<v Sam>who was trans or had a girlfriend who was a trans woman.

01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:04.140
<v Sam>But then there were people saying, no, no, she was not a trans woman.

01:58:04.300 --> 01:58:06.700
<v Sam>She was a femboy or he was a femboy.

01:58:07.240 --> 01:58:08.260
<v Ivan>Okay, so that's what.

01:58:08.260 --> 01:58:11.860
<v Sam>And that's where the connection comes in and people were talking.

01:58:12.060 --> 01:58:17.900
<v Sam>Now, none of this was necessarily verified at the time, but people got into these.

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.120
<v Ivan>That was the conversation, okay? Came up about these.

01:58:20.220 --> 01:58:23.440
<v Sam>The conversation started talking about this subculture that exists there,

01:58:23.660 --> 01:58:31.520
<v Sam>which, of course, all seems to tie into very highly repressed people who just

01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:37.380
<v Sam>can't admit, like, their actual orientation and preferences because they believe it's wrong.

01:58:37.380 --> 01:58:43.040
<v Sam>So they jump through all these hoops to try to like, oh, I'm I'm not actually gay.

01:58:43.380 --> 01:58:48.200
<v Sam>This is a femboy or whatever, or somehow justify to themselves like,

01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:50.480
<v Sam>you know, whatever is going on.

01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:58.200
<v Sam>And it's just or I'm not whatever, you know, it's just it was a bizarre subculture

01:58:58.200 --> 01:59:00.200
<v Sam>that I had not known anything going through.

01:59:00.480 --> 01:59:05.020
<v Ivan>These are the hoops that they're going through in order to try to say that they're not gay.

01:59:05.020 --> 01:59:07.980
<v Sam>They're not gay they're not trans they're whatever

01:59:07.980 --> 01:59:13.060
<v Sam>instead there are these other subcategories and and look i i'm not denying that

01:59:13.060 --> 01:59:17.340
<v Sam>there may be all kinds of subcategories that people that are valuable and people

01:59:17.340 --> 01:59:22.880
<v Sam>should pay attention to but this just seems like high just like highly repressed

01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:25.280
<v Sam>people trying like somebody.

01:59:25.280 --> 01:59:26.660
<v Ivan>Said that basically.

01:59:26.660 --> 01:59:27.500
<v Sam>I don't know just.

01:59:27.500 --> 01:59:28.320
<v Ivan>Went that like,

01:59:30.360 --> 01:59:32.380
<v Ivan>I mean, are you telling me that

01:59:32.380 --> 01:59:35.920
<v Ivan>the fucking solution is just to get all these people laid in some way?

01:59:36.100 --> 01:59:39.580
<v Ivan>No, apparently not, because the problem is that they feel guilty about it.

01:59:39.660 --> 01:59:41.640
<v Ivan>Because this is the big problem about

01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:47.880
<v Ivan>this and why this entire thing about anti-trans is so bad, okay, to me.

01:59:48.500 --> 01:59:53.420
<v Ivan>One of many reasons, but yes. But one of the big reasons is because how it drives

01:59:53.420 --> 01:59:59.580
<v Ivan>these people into actually questioning their own personhood,

01:59:59.860 --> 02:00:04.000
<v Ivan>into questioning what they like and what they don't like and make them depressed

02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:08.240
<v Ivan>about how they feel because they make them feel like it's wrong. Okay?

02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:13.440
<v Ivan>And this is the reason why, unfortunately, trans people have such a high rate of suicide.

02:00:13.940 --> 02:00:14.620
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

02:00:14.620 --> 02:00:19.600
<v Ivan>And it's assholes like this driving this stupid bullshit, you know,

02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:26.160
<v Ivan>narrative, acting like this, talking like this, being the, you know, the whatever macho guy.

02:00:26.160 --> 02:00:30.940
<v Ivan>And all you are is just somebody who has been so fucked in the head,

02:00:31.140 --> 02:00:35.360
<v Ivan>you know, with all these thoughts that you're just lashing out at society and everybody else.

02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:37.860
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean...

02:00:38.530 --> 02:00:46.790
<v Sam>All of this stuff, like, shame-based culture and purity-based culture and all

02:00:46.790 --> 02:00:49.390
<v Sam>of this kinds of thing is just incredibly toxic.

02:00:50.150 --> 02:00:54.690
<v Sam>Just as long as nobody's hurting anybody else or doing something non-consensual.

02:00:54.830 --> 02:00:55.590
<v Ivan>Don't knock yourself out.

02:00:55.650 --> 02:00:59.890
<v Sam>Then let people do whatever the hell they want to do. But you do realize that

02:00:59.890 --> 02:01:02.350
<v Sam>most of the people that behave like this thick cuentas.

02:01:02.490 --> 02:01:06.770
<v Ivan>They're a combination of either these incels. or you've got the other ones that

02:01:06.770 --> 02:01:10.330
<v Ivan>I said or the female abusers.

02:01:10.970 --> 02:01:13.090
<v Ivan>It's one or the other. It's one or the other.

02:01:14.070 --> 02:01:18.250
<v Ivan>This is this group. They're all like Trump, Epstein and all these people that

02:01:18.250 --> 02:01:24.090
<v Ivan>abuse women, treat them like they're less than men or whatever.

02:01:24.630 --> 02:01:30.030
<v Sam>I want to be absolutely clear when I said consensual, fully consensual among

02:01:30.030 --> 02:01:31.410
<v Sam>adults, blah, blah, blah. Right.

02:01:31.630 --> 02:01:34.670
<v Sam>That is not saying go and do whatever the hell you feel like,

02:01:34.750 --> 02:01:36.590
<v Sam>including if you want to rape children. No.

02:01:36.970 --> 02:01:40.730
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. Consensual amongst adults is what I'm saying.

02:01:40.830 --> 02:01:44.530
<v Ivan>Anything consensual amongst the adults, well, consensual against teenagers,

02:01:44.750 --> 02:01:48.430
<v Ivan>because teenagers will do, you know, you know, stuff.

02:01:48.610 --> 02:01:51.050
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, look, I mean, that's a reality.

02:01:51.230 --> 02:01:54.730
<v Ivan>But the reality is that you can't shame these people into what they feel.

02:01:54.750 --> 02:01:59.950
<v Sam>Well, it's a completely different thing with two 17-year-olds doing something

02:01:59.950 --> 02:02:03.870
<v Sam>consensual versus, you know, the 45-year-old and the 17-year-old.

02:02:03.870 --> 02:02:08.170
<v Ivan>You know yeah and and and and and why it's so difficult to explain to people

02:02:08.170 --> 02:02:10.730
<v Ivan>why that is so it's just i just,

02:02:11.660 --> 02:02:20.240
<v Ivan>Oh, anyway. Anyway, I thought I found something more funny. Don't we have something more fun?

02:02:20.360 --> 02:02:23.160
<v Sam>Yeah, I was about to say, can we have something more funny? I mean,

02:02:23.260 --> 02:02:26.380
<v Sam>you were trying to make fun of him because he admitted, yo, but.

02:02:26.380 --> 02:02:30.020
<v Ivan>Well, I was just trying to bring up the fact that the hypocrisy.

02:02:30.420 --> 02:02:31.940
<v Ivan>Well, I will say something more funny.

02:02:32.060 --> 02:02:38.440
<v Ivan>I posted this thing where I put our electric car to charge,

02:02:38.460 --> 02:02:42.700
<v Ivan>and they have idle fees for some reason overnight, which I think is stupid because

02:02:42.700 --> 02:02:47.400
<v Ivan>it's so what I did is in order to not have to pay the idle fee,

02:02:47.540 --> 02:02:50.520
<v Ivan>I can adjust the speed of charging on the car.

02:02:51.140 --> 02:02:56.500
<v Ivan>So I slowed it down. So it was charging slow enough that in the morning it was going to be ready.

02:02:57.340 --> 02:02:57.800
<v Sam>Okay.

02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:03.920
<v Sam>Very clever of you. Get back at the new people in charge, right?

02:03:04.180 --> 02:03:05.560
<v Ivan>Yeah, basically, yes.

02:03:05.700 --> 02:03:08.880
<v Sam>Because they took over from you when you resigned.

02:03:08.900 --> 02:03:11.580
<v Ivan>Right, and I didn't use to charge such kind of fees. So, like,

02:03:11.660 --> 02:03:14.120
<v Ivan>these assholes are starting to charge an idle fee at night.

02:03:14.220 --> 02:03:17.460
<v Ivan>You know, it's like, who the hell is going to go plug in at 2 in the morning? You idiots.

02:03:18.120 --> 02:03:22.360
<v Ivan>You know, why are you charging me an idle fee at 2 in the morning? Okay.

02:03:23.200 --> 02:03:24.660
<v Sam>You never know if someone could.

02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:33.680
<v Ivan>I actually watched a video you know, check surveillance for many reasons no, rarely no, never.

02:03:34.500 --> 02:03:38.960
<v Sam>I will mention one more thing from the curmudgeon score slack and then we can

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:46.940
<v Sam>shut up I posted an article about Bill Gates' daughter securing $30 million in funding for an AI app.

02:03:46.940 --> 02:03:54.320
<v Ivan>That must have been so difficult for Bill Gates' daughter to secure that funding oh my god.

02:03:54.880 --> 02:04:02.340
<v Sam>Sam. Yes. All I'm saying is if anybody wants to give me $30 million for my to-do

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<v Sam>list thing, for Robin Letter, for Juke Potter, for any of these things, I'm wide open.

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<v Sam>You know, send me the check. I will make good use of it.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I think that your first start is to call Bill Gates's daughter.

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<v Sam>You know, I remember talking to somebody a few years ago, like when When my

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<v Sam>daughter was at a prep school around here,

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<v Sam>she never actually met Bill Gates' daughter, but she had friends that were friends

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<v Sam>with Bill Gates' daughter.

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<v Ivan>So there you go.

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<v Sam>Yeah, so, anyway, she, yeah, but I never got introduced, you know,

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<v Sam>I should have, you know, it would have been a good thing.

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<v Ivan>That's your missed opportunity right there at your funding. I mean,

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<v Ivan>come on, man, you had the golden ticket right in front of you.

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. You know, I heard every once in a while Bill Gates just,

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<v Sam>like, goes up to hamburger places and orders a burger in line and stuff,

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<v Sam>and I should just go stalk those places waiting for him to show up.

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<v Sam>right does that work yeah yeah yeah that's what you got to do i'll be i'm sure

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<v Sam>i'm sure if i found him he would immediately hand me a 30 million he just.

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<v Ivan>Exactly he would just pull it out of his pocket no.

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<v Sam>No no.

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<v Ivan>No cash cash.

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<v Sam>Exactly oh yeah cash that'd be awesome like get the big briefcase or or even

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<v Sam>better like the scrooge rick duck money bags yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Sam>Okay 30 million in pennies okay uh okay we're clearly well past done thank you

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<v Sam>every for thank you everyone for joining us have a great week stay safe have

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<v Sam>fun blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,

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<v Sam>and we are out of here goodbye bye,

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<v Sam>Okay. Thanks, Yvonne. We'll talk to you later.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Bye.

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<v Sam>Bye.

