WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:00.850 Hello. 00:00:01.630 --> 00:00:03.350 Oh, what is this thing doing? 00:00:04.130 --> 00:00:04.950 Can you hear me? 00:00:05.270 --> 00:00:09.010 I can hear you, but hold on one second, because why? 00:00:09.470 --> 00:00:11.070 Okay. What's wrong? 00:00:13.330 --> 00:00:19.550 I don't... Okay, I'm having a problem, which has happened the last few weeks, 00:00:19.570 --> 00:00:22.510 where my camera is zoomed in. 00:00:23.050 --> 00:00:30.450 It won't zoom out. I don't know why. um i. 00:00:30.450 --> 00:00:35.370 I see you normally like it's not like i only see your nose or something i see your whole. 00:00:35.370 --> 00:00:40.890 Yeah but that's because i had to move physically to get in front of it i can't 00:00:40.890 --> 00:00:43.370 like adjust it in any way you. 00:00:43.370 --> 00:00:45.990 Mean that the automatic moving and centering. 00:00:45.990 --> 00:00:49.750 Well not even well it's not even i'm not trying to move it automatically i'm 00:00:49.750 --> 00:00:53.770 trying to do it manually which i'm supposed to do and It's not letting me in 00:00:53.770 --> 00:00:56.850 any way, shape, or form. Ah, wait, wait, wait. Hang on. 00:00:57.470 --> 00:00:57.810 Okay. 00:00:58.050 --> 00:01:03.010 Well, it's letting me re-center, but what it's not letting me do is zoom. I can't. 00:01:03.470 --> 00:01:12.590 It used to be I am zoomed at that zoom, and it's not letting me adjust it for whatever reason. 00:01:12.590 --> 00:01:20.390 I can't zoom out, which I could do normally, and it's not letting me for some reason. 00:01:21.370 --> 00:01:24.570 Okay. And I don't know why. 00:01:25.850 --> 00:01:29.950 I'm sure if it's a problem, somebody's found it and you'll be able to Google a solution. 00:01:30.270 --> 00:01:34.810 Oh, God. Yeah. Well, all right. Well, let's. Okay. You got a close up of my. 00:01:34.950 --> 00:01:36.410 You got a close up of my face. 00:01:36.890 --> 00:01:40.110 It's not even close up. It's completely normal from what I can see. 00:01:40.250 --> 00:01:42.450 Like, it's exactly like you look every week. 00:01:43.850 --> 00:01:48.430 Anyway, just because you've been talking about zooming, zoom, zoom, zooming. 00:01:49.010 --> 00:01:49.450 Zooming. 00:01:49.450 --> 00:01:58.150 We're going to have a special intro this time for us Gen Xers out here. 00:03:35.390 --> 00:03:39.270 That, that's it. Yvonne was looking like confused. So I presume this is not 00:03:39.270 --> 00:03:40.910 a show from his childhood. 00:03:41.390 --> 00:03:43.670 No, it isn't. Which show was this one? 00:03:44.130 --> 00:03:49.230 This is Zoom, which was a PBS show in the 1970s. 00:03:50.250 --> 00:03:52.710 The PBS kids show from the 1970s. 00:03:52.870 --> 00:03:55.530 Well, here's the thing. It sounded familiar, but I guess it's not one of the 00:03:55.530 --> 00:03:58.250 ones that was one of my top choices. 00:03:58.550 --> 00:04:02.270 Because it's got a bunch of kids running around doing stuff. 00:04:02.410 --> 00:04:04.950 And they, the big thing was they had Sazis. 00:04:05.390 --> 00:04:08.450 self-addressed stamped envelopes. You could send in a self-addressed stamped 00:04:08.450 --> 00:04:10.710 envelope to get some stuff from them and blah, blah, blah. 00:04:11.330 --> 00:04:14.730 It's, yeah, it was a 70s kids show. 00:04:15.090 --> 00:04:20.870 I must admit, let's see, what year was this from? 00:04:21.190 --> 00:04:25.650 Well, it started in 72, which was a little bit early even for us, 00:04:25.930 --> 00:04:28.590 but it was on for a long time. 00:04:28.850 --> 00:04:32.890 Well, 72 through 78. Interesting, 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:40.150 but I, I look I religiously watched every PBS show and what I it it when I was 00:04:40.150 --> 00:04:44.830 little and that show was not on our PBS feed in Puerto Rico. 00:04:44.830 --> 00:04:47.930 Oh well you missed out. 00:04:47.930 --> 00:04:49.610 I missed out you're. 00:04:49.610 --> 00:04:52.970 Gonna you're gonna have to like find all the episodes on YouTube and watch them now. 00:04:52.970 --> 00:04:55.810 Oh yeah I got plenty of time for that right now sure, 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.620 Look, I had a friend of mine yesterday. 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.680 Oh, by the way, this is Curmudgeon's Corner. Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner. 00:05:04.020 --> 00:05:08.240 Saturday, October 25th, just after 16 UTC as we're starting to record. 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.400 I'm Sam Minter. This is Yvonne. Okay, continue, Yvonne. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:15.360 I had a friend of mine yesterday from HP. 00:05:15.540 --> 00:05:20.440 This is one of the first people I met when I started working at HP, 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:26.640 and this was like in June of 1997, okay? This was just coincidental, 00:05:26.640 --> 00:05:29.360 the reason I met him. We wound up just being assigned. 00:05:29.940 --> 00:05:32.140 I was an intern. They gave me this cue. 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:43.080 And he was relocating from Venezuela to Miami at the time for a job. 00:05:43.080 --> 00:05:46.680 He's, I think, about five years older than I am. 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:50.700 So he'd already been working at HP for a while. 00:05:50.860 --> 00:05:55.220 Okay. He had started very young. in his early 20s. 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.460 And he had gotten a promotion. He had been doing work, basically, 00:06:00.700 --> 00:06:05.880 and what he used to do was warranty repair work, basically. 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:11.820 I mean, the entire warranty supply chain and managing partners and doing stuff, 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:19.480 especially in Latin America, Caribbean, a lot more complex to do those there than in the U.S. 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:25.540 for the repairs. A lot of times you had to get local companies to do a lot of 00:06:25.540 --> 00:06:28.480 the work because you had to hire a local company that you could trust, 00:06:28.840 --> 00:06:33.320 import parts, export parts, do all this stuff. So he became pretty. 00:06:34.210 --> 00:06:36.870 A guru on that stuff and he was pretty good and they 00:06:36.870 --> 00:06:39.910 decided to relocate him to miami to to to this business 00:06:39.910 --> 00:06:43.850 and so he wound up so we get assigned we 00:06:43.850 --> 00:06:48.010 moves there our queues are right one right beside the other me starting as an 00:06:48.010 --> 00:06:54.110 intern and him him there and so so we've known each other now so it's like what 00:06:54.110 --> 00:07:01.750 he's 28 years just a little while yeah just a little while and so you know We've 00:07:01.750 --> 00:07:03.170 always kept in touch regularly, 00:07:03.170 --> 00:07:05.530 but we hadn't seen each other. We hadn't met in a while. 00:07:05.890 --> 00:07:08.130 So we got together after work yesterday. 00:07:08.530 --> 00:07:16.510 And he works at a company that had some, for Land America, that had some major IT outage this week. 00:07:17.930 --> 00:07:19.730 Yeah, I wonder who that could be. Go ahead. 00:07:19.890 --> 00:07:23.490 Yeah, yeah. It's like if you look in the news, you can figure out which company that is. 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:28.790 Doing kind of the same thing with partners and stuff. And so I was discussing 00:07:28.790 --> 00:07:33.010 with them the fact that, you know, they still work remotely in their in their 00:07:33.010 --> 00:07:35.870 geography. He's based over here. But bastards. 00:07:36.510 --> 00:07:37.810 But. But. 00:07:38.250 --> 00:07:39.550 But. OK, yes. 00:07:39.830 --> 00:07:47.630 Here's the but. OK. But they have a new regional VP and that person is based in Brazil now. 00:07:48.640 --> 00:07:55.280 And this person has recently decided that she doesn't want to have staff in 00:07:55.280 --> 00:07:57.440 Miami, that she wants all her staff in Brazil. 00:07:57.660 --> 00:08:02.280 And so they told him if, well, if he wanted to continue in his role, 00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:04.200 that he needed to relocate to Brazil. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:05.280 Right. 00:08:05.940 --> 00:08:12.080 You know, he's a few years ahead of me and saving money. 00:08:12.220 --> 00:08:15.160 His kids already work. his wife worked a long 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.720 time at this and like their 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.920 company the company where she was at which kind of funny she worked at nortel 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:29.100 but she worked at nortel up until basically it she was one of the last employees 00:08:29.100 --> 00:08:32.140 left at nortel before it it it it 00:08:32.140 --> 00:08:37.880 was really finally sold off and then the company And then bought Nortel. 00:08:38.380 --> 00:08:43.040 Bought their asses with Ericsson. Now, initially, she was paid a severance and 00:08:43.040 --> 00:08:48.960 dismissed. But the Ericsson people were like, holy shit, she's the only person that knows this shit. 00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:54.780 Could we hire you to come over to Ericsson? Like, very quickly, 00:08:54.940 --> 00:08:56.280 like, less than a month after. 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.520 So then she worked for Ericsson until that long ago. So she wanted to retire. 00:09:01.640 --> 00:09:05.400 So he's like, he was like, screw this. I'm retiring. 00:09:06.980 --> 00:09:12.440 he's turning 60 now and he's like to hell with this I told him that he's going 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:20.120 to retire at the end of December rather than relocate to Brazil for work so that was my. 00:09:22.680 --> 00:09:26.220 Conversation yesterday so it's one of those things where I'm like well, 00:09:27.260 --> 00:09:30.240 He's asking, so what are you guys doing? Nothing. 00:09:30.680 --> 00:09:38.160 I mean, our company hates offices. They don't want to spend their money on data centers. 00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:41.460 Billions of it. They don't want to buy a damn office right now. 00:09:41.620 --> 00:09:43.460 What the hell am I buying a damn office for? 00:09:44.140 --> 00:09:48.920 They need to spend $100 billion building data centers. The last thing I want 00:09:48.920 --> 00:09:51.760 is like real estate for people sitting in a cube. 00:09:52.460 --> 00:09:56.320 That's what it seems like the attitude is. But anyway, I was curious that that 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.600 was the conversation that I had like yesterday. 00:09:58.780 --> 00:10:03.940 But one thing is interesting, though, you know, with the way I got to interact 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:06.920 with him first was so he moved up. 00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:11.780 We moved over from Venezuela. And so he smoked back then. He quit smoking quite 00:10:11.780 --> 00:10:14.540 a long time ago. OK, he quit smoking like a couple of years. 00:10:15.020 --> 00:10:17.200 He quit smoking in the night. OK. 00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:24.440 All right. But the thing is, even Venezuela, he did not smoke American cigarettes. 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.980 He smoked Venezuelan cigarettes. It's this brand. 00:10:28.340 --> 00:10:32.980 I'll never forget the brand called Belmont. The reason why, why do I remember this is because, 00:10:33.670 --> 00:10:36.930 You know, they knew he was sitting right beside me. So what happened was that 00:10:36.930 --> 00:10:38.410 you couldn't get those cigarettes in the U.S. 00:10:39.010 --> 00:10:41.850 So people were traveling frequently back and forth to Venezuela. 00:10:42.170 --> 00:10:42.870 And they would bring him. 00:10:42.870 --> 00:10:43.650 And dropping off the cigarettes. 00:10:43.810 --> 00:10:47.150 And dropping off the cigarettes. But he wasn't at his desk. They were like, 00:10:47.270 --> 00:10:51.090 didn't want to just leave him there. I said, hey, Tony's out. 00:10:51.370 --> 00:10:54.150 Here, hold these for him. Give them to him when he gets back. 00:10:54.510 --> 00:11:01.030 So I was being the cigarette delivery courier for him at first. 00:11:01.610 --> 00:11:05.430 So when he arrived, it's like, hey, Tony, hey, yeah, they dropped off these 00:11:05.430 --> 00:11:06.770 boxes for you. Oh, OK, great. 00:11:06.950 --> 00:11:11.930 Thank you. So so I was the cigarette delivery guy for for him. 00:11:12.110 --> 00:11:15.750 You should have just made that your new career. Could have moved into that full time. 00:11:16.030 --> 00:11:20.310 Listen, I mean, obviously, that's a declining career. You know, 00:11:20.450 --> 00:11:25.530 we're looking at, you know, it's crazy how cigarette smoking rates of the United 00:11:25.530 --> 00:11:28.430 States have been plummeting for decades. 00:11:28.430 --> 00:11:33.030 It's plummeting, but it's like, I mean, it's plummeted in just, 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:36.990 you know, so much. I mean, it's down to like... 00:11:36.990 --> 00:11:42.170 Of course, we did have like an upswing in vaping. Yeah, but... 00:11:42.170 --> 00:11:43.610 Not as much as the downswing. 00:11:43.870 --> 00:11:49.390 But not as much. But not as much. It really, I mean, but I can't remember what 00:11:49.390 --> 00:11:54.390 country, and I shared this story that I was like reading about this week regarding 00:11:54.390 --> 00:11:58.110 cigarettes, where I can't remember what country. Oh, it's Lebanon. 00:11:59.610 --> 00:12:03.810 Lebanon has had a massive upswing in smoking. 00:12:04.290 --> 00:12:11.870 It's crazy. And not just that, well, the result of this has been that Lebanon also, 00:12:12.170 --> 00:12:16.210 not just due to the smoking, but to other environmental factors like that massive 00:12:16.210 --> 00:12:19.410 explosion that they had and some other shit or whatever, 00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:22.710 has had a ridiculous upswing in cancer. 00:12:22.710 --> 00:12:28.750 I mean, cancer right now in Lebanon is soaring uncontrollably. 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:35.260 okay and so but yeah but i got to meet the guys like this week is kind of interesting 00:12:35.260 --> 00:12:44.900 i realize that it's been jeez fuck 20 i mean i was like trying to count like how many damn years, 00:12:45.580 --> 00:12:48.780 this shit i'm getting it keeps adding. 00:12:48.780 --> 00:12:50.580 Up and i i don't i don't like it. 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:54.060 No not particularly no not 00:12:54.060 --> 00:12:56.980 at all and here's the other fucked up conversation that 00:12:56.980 --> 00:13:00.240 this kind of aging starts so talking about 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.080 hey we're we're people are going to retire whatever so there 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.980 is a group of xhp people that i haven't look 00:13:06.980 --> 00:13:10.040 we got one guy who was our vp who's suffering from 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:15.060 dementia alzheimer's okay which that's really rough okay to see okay yeah right 00:13:15.060 --> 00:13:18.440 i told me that i hadn't seen him but i've talked to a couple of other people 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.540 and telling me that he sees you and he kind of like remembers you but he doesn't 00:13:22.540 --> 00:13:28.880 know anybody's name any okay which that's fucked up okay he's 70 he's not really 77. 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:29.780 He's not that old. 00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:34.400 Not that old, but something has really impacted his health. 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.960 But all these guys are also looking at all these 55-plus communities, 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.500 like, right now, to buy houses into, okay, to go. 00:13:42.680 --> 00:13:46.780 I'm like, yeah, because there is this cheap place up in Port St. 00:13:46.900 --> 00:13:49.660 Lucie, 55-plus, where you can get whatever. I'm like, 00:13:50.570 --> 00:13:53.450 fucking my goddamn house in a 55 plus. 00:13:53.450 --> 00:13:55.190 You know i should i. 00:13:55.190 --> 00:13:58.790 Don't want to move into an old people old people's prison camp no. 00:13:58.790 --> 00:14:05.170 Well yeah well you know here's the thing like i can understand the like my my 00:14:05.170 --> 00:14:10.790 dad just moved into one of these places that starts as an apartment but as you 00:14:10.790 --> 00:14:14.450 need more care can transition into giving you more and more care as you get 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:17.310 old but he needed And I can understand that, right? 00:14:17.430 --> 00:14:20.550 Because it's about, you know, hey, you know, you're getting older, 00:14:20.730 --> 00:14:25.610 you know, you're physically diminishing in various ways, and you are going to need more care. 00:14:25.790 --> 00:14:30.210 And it provides a smooth transition, but lets you have as much independence 00:14:30.210 --> 00:14:33.650 as you can, as long as you can, right? And I understand that. 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:36.930 That makes a lot of sense. I like it. I've been to the place. You know, it's cool. 00:14:37.550 --> 00:14:46.090 But absent that, the age-restricted communities, it seems like it would be the 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:47.150 opposite of what you want. 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:51.970 You want to be in a community where you have younger people and you have kids 00:14:51.970 --> 00:14:56.930 and it's all mixed and you have all experiences together. And I feel like that 00:14:56.930 --> 00:15:01.210 would keep you young more than surrounding yourself with a bunch of other old people. 00:15:01.450 --> 00:15:05.310 Our old fucks. Yes, that's right. I mean, I want some mixing ages. 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:08.330 I don't want to be just surrounded by a whole bunch of old fucks. 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.000 Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I agree completely. 00:15:13.260 --> 00:15:17.740 I feel like, and it's one of those things that especially, I mean, 00:15:17.780 --> 00:15:23.660 you can speak to international trends, but in the U S the tendency is to like, 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.840 go hide your old people. So you don't see them anymore. 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.540 You see, but that's the thing. That's the thing. That's not, 00:15:31.180 --> 00:15:34.020 I, we don't do that. Okay. 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:37.620 As a matter of fact, we have more as like cross-generational, 00:15:37.900 --> 00:15:43.880 uh, uh, you know, households born and going and hiding the old people. 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:49.200 Like my, listen, my aunt, my, my, my, both my aunts, they still live in the 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:52.420 same house that they lived since I've known them since, since I was born. 00:15:53.380 --> 00:15:58.180 you know in their still the same house my grandma lived in her house up until 00:15:58.180 --> 00:16:02.820 she was in her 90s and then when she was too old to be by herself she moved in with my mom, 00:16:03.420 --> 00:16:07.160 you know so she was like so we could see her I mean I could see her regularly 00:16:07.160 --> 00:16:11.160 like every week you know I just you know I was able to see her all the time 00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:18.400 you know so yeah like my my sister and mother-in-law she lives in a house across the street. 00:16:19.680 --> 00:16:22.300 You know so that's more you know 00:16:22.300 --> 00:16:25.220 what I'm used to I don't want to like really be like I 00:16:25.220 --> 00:16:28.180 don't know now granted I I do 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:32.620 live a little bit like I don't live like I don't live like in another state 00:16:32.620 --> 00:16:37.400 but I do live like about 30 miles away from when where my parents and my my 00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:42.780 sister live and so forth but I mean it's not 30 miles isn't that far no 30 miles 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:46.360 see them regularly I see them regularly yeah yeah yeah see them all 00:16:46.450 --> 00:16:52.550 time so so that's not like you know i i do see them regularly so you know. 00:16:53.540 --> 00:16:59.180 I don't I don't want to be like in this community where I live is quite a mixed 00:16:59.180 --> 00:17:04.980 group of ages. We have old retired people while we have college age college 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:07.240 students. Like, you know, I just, you know, right. 00:17:07.420 --> 00:17:13.840 You know, we had like a couple of ladies that lived right across from us and 00:17:13.840 --> 00:17:17.660 their parents like from California had bought and bought. 00:17:17.800 --> 00:17:20.640 They started going to college over here. And so they had bought a condo. 00:17:20.860 --> 00:17:24.680 And so I knew them for about five years. and you know the one thing is that 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.660 you know they moved out they left us a very grateful note because they're they 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:32.180 were like actually extremely grateful that they had us as neighbors because. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.040 Shit happened our parents lived in california right 00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:40.760 and you know they they actually you know they were so grateful like you know 00:17:40.760 --> 00:17:43.960 anytime that we needed something from you your wife you guys were always so 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.520 grateful and graceful you helped us out with stuff or whatever so it was kind 00:17:47.520 --> 00:17:50.380 of nice and it was kind of nice honestly it was super nice to see them grow 00:17:50.380 --> 00:17:53.880 up into adults get a job and They just moved out because they got a new job 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:55.600 and they're relocating for that job. 00:17:55.700 --> 00:17:58.760 And that was actually quite nice to see that, to be honest. 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.340 And it's kind of like, I honestly, I like seeing that shit instead of just seeing, 00:18:03.520 --> 00:18:07.340 unfortunately, we had another couple like from in front of us that unfortunately 00:18:07.340 --> 00:18:08.600 their husband passed away. 00:18:09.020 --> 00:18:13.020 But you get, I think that we get both of them. 00:18:13.140 --> 00:18:16.300 Yes, we're getting the older people that also pass well at the same time as 00:18:16.300 --> 00:18:18.880 seeing people like do that. I like to see that diversity. 00:18:19.120 --> 00:18:21.960 I don't just want to see, I just want to be in a place where everything we've 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.540 got down over coffee is like, hey, who died this morning? Oh, John over at 702. 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.860 Yeah. It's depressing after a while. 00:18:31.790 --> 00:18:36.390 The thing is about having the mixed ages and everybody together and, 00:18:36.630 --> 00:18:40.510 you know, and honestly, I'm not great at this because I never see anybody outside 00:18:40.510 --> 00:18:41.830 my whole house, practically. 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:44.350 Like, I don't go out. I don't see my neighbors. I don't, like, 00:18:44.490 --> 00:18:45.790 interact with them on a regular basis. 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:52.370 But the advantage that I could see anyway is you see the whole life cycle. 00:18:52.590 --> 00:18:52.950 Right. 00:18:53.130 --> 00:18:55.970 You see kids. You see them grow up. 00:18:56.110 --> 00:19:01.430 You see new babies being born. And yes, on the other hand, you see people getting 00:19:01.430 --> 00:19:08.430 older and people passing away and it centers you in. Yeah. Yeah. This is what life is. 00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:08.930 Yeah. 00:19:09.010 --> 00:19:13.230 You can't pretend that whatever your stage of life is, is the only stage of life. 00:19:13.330 --> 00:19:17.150 Right. We're all, you know, not dying. You know, everything that's happened 00:19:17.150 --> 00:19:19.070 is that we are old and just all drop dead. 00:19:22.230 --> 00:19:26.790 So anyway, so yeah, so I, I, I, that was like just a, just, you know. 00:19:26.790 --> 00:19:33.050 Okay. So I got a couple things. I will do a movie, but I have one thing first, 00:19:33.150 --> 00:19:34.310 so I'll only do one movie today. 00:19:34.550 --> 00:19:37.170 You know, I keep forgetting that I should have done a movie and I did not do this. 00:19:37.250 --> 00:19:38.810 Oh, okay. Do your movie. 00:19:39.250 --> 00:19:40.970 I want to see Tron Aries. 00:19:41.830 --> 00:19:46.870 Ah, okay. Yes. I've heard mixed reviews of this. I know you said on the Slack 00:19:46.870 --> 00:19:49.250 you liked it, but I've heard mixed reviews online. line. 00:19:49.490 --> 00:19:55.490 Okay, this is what I will say about this. First of all, my wife, 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:57.730 my son, and I, we all went to see the movie. 00:19:58.070 --> 00:19:58.430 Right. 00:19:58.590 --> 00:19:59.510 I hear a lot of people... 00:19:59.510 --> 00:20:02.630 Did you refresh yourself by watching the first two first? 00:20:03.590 --> 00:20:07.130 We had watched them in the last year even before. You know, we watched that 00:20:07.130 --> 00:20:08.630 movie right a little bit. So it's not like. 00:20:09.650 --> 00:20:12.290 Even the second one? You've watched both of them? 00:20:12.570 --> 00:20:17.510 Yes. My son likes the second one more than the first one. 00:20:17.650 --> 00:20:22.610 And the second one is actually a better movie as entertainment. 00:20:22.950 --> 00:20:28.470 It was a better... The script was far more developed. 00:20:28.750 --> 00:20:33.330 Whereas the first one was more showier. Still a good script, I think. 00:20:33.450 --> 00:20:41.190 I think both had a good script. But the second one had a better pace of the movie, okay? 00:20:41.470 --> 00:20:46.550 I think the first one gets kind of the same criticisms as the first Star Trek 00:20:46.550 --> 00:20:48.410 The Motion Picture kind of a thing. 00:20:48.430 --> 00:20:53.290 Yes, yes. It's showing off the look and the idea more than it is like, 00:20:53.290 --> 00:20:54.250 here's the actual characters involved. 00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:57.590 Which I like Star Trek The Motion Picture of the original movie myself. 00:20:57.690 --> 00:21:00.270 So I don't have a problem with the pacing. 00:21:00.450 --> 00:21:03.990 Although, as I said before, the latest director's edition that he did, 00:21:03.990 --> 00:21:07.690 he did tighten up the pacing quite a lot on it, and it actually made it for 00:21:07.690 --> 00:21:09.070 a better movie. Okay? Alright? 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:09.330 Okay. 00:21:09.490 --> 00:21:15.050 But I liked the original anyway, okay? You know, but I can see how a lot of people didn't. 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:16.350 Okay, back to Tron. 00:21:16.610 --> 00:21:20.210 But, but, listen, my wife went as well. 00:21:20.550 --> 00:21:25.770 I will, I will, my wife really liked the movie, okay? 00:21:26.310 --> 00:21:29.270 And my wife is not a Tron fan. 00:21:29.410 --> 00:21:34.430 She knows that me and Manu like Tron, but she went and just watched the movie 00:21:34.430 --> 00:21:38.610 and came out of it really liking the movie. Okay? 00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:42.270 And I think that a lot of people that are shitting out the movie, 00:21:42.370 --> 00:21:45.130 first it starts with the fact that Jared Leto is a controversial, 00:21:45.910 --> 00:21:50.730 actor because as far as I can understand, because I wasn't following this closely, 00:21:50.950 --> 00:21:54.250 it's related to a whole bunch of Me Too stuff, okay, as well, 00:21:54.290 --> 00:21:57.750 that apparently I saw, okay, but granted, 00:21:59.450 --> 00:22:03.210 Recall me having seen a Jared Leto movie before, I'll be honest. 00:22:03.750 --> 00:22:05.990 I know nothing about him or his scandal. 00:22:06.210 --> 00:22:09.210 Exactly. So me coming into this, 00:22:09.370 --> 00:22:15.890 I did not have this in my head that there was such a scandal about it. 00:22:16.270 --> 00:22:18.330 Yeah, I just brought up his Wikipedia 00:22:18.330 --> 00:22:21.250 page and I'm like, I don't even recognize this guy. I have no idea. 00:22:21.490 --> 00:22:25.290 Exactly, I didn't recognize the guy at all. And I thought that the movie was 00:22:25.290 --> 00:22:28.690 quite good. The plot was really good. 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.940 a timely plot it really did like uh 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:35.900 uh tie back in many ways 00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:38.820 to the to to you know the other 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:42.180 movies even though the tie the ties itself 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:47.800 were it did tie back there is one but there is one plot gap that that's kind 00:22:47.800 --> 00:22:53.200 of difficult in there okay all right that that i that is the only gap really 00:22:53.200 --> 00:23:01.240 okay that that you just don't it's it's difficult to to you don't understand it there there is a, 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:07.080 some kind of like throwaway explanation that's thrown in there but it's not 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:13.940 it's not clear how we got to from and i guess i should warn this is a spoiler 00:23:13.940 --> 00:23:16.440 alert at this point spoiler spoiler, 00:23:18.300 --> 00:23:21.600 how in tron legacy we had you 00:23:21.600 --> 00:23:24.300 know kevin flynn was the guy 00:23:24.300 --> 00:23:27.580 from the original movie who was the creator it was really the 00:23:27.580 --> 00:23:32.220 the guy who was the head of any comma who was who was who was the main star 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:36.320 of the first film let's be clear about this flynn was the star of the movie 00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:40.560 tron it wasn't tron which also brings back to why the hell this movie called 00:23:40.560 --> 00:23:44.760 tron okay instead of planet i'm gonna guess because it sounds cooler, okay? 00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:50.220 Because the reality is that Tron was more of a secondary character. 00:23:50.380 --> 00:23:54.000 Both in the first and second movie. It's the cool computer guy, 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.480 not like the regular human. 00:23:55.840 --> 00:23:57.740 Exactly. So this was... 00:23:57.740 --> 00:24:01.540 Like the whole thing, like if you'd named the movie Flynn, I mean, come on. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:06.740 Yeah, I know. It doesn't work, okay? All right, I get that. So that was the one thing, okay? 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:08.780 It's like calling Star Wars Luke. 00:24:10.100 --> 00:24:13.140 Yeah, exactly. It kind of like that. So, 00:24:15.280 --> 00:24:19.900 you know, it was just that you didn't, you know, you had Kevin Flynn. 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:24.240 Sam Flynn appeared in the second movie as his son who went to try to find, 00:24:25.660 --> 00:24:27.920 investigate about where his dad was, who disappeared. 00:24:28.180 --> 00:24:31.260 There was a clue that came in that allowed him to go, like, 00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:35.560 to find him in the grid. But in this third movie, 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:43.880 at the end of the second movie, Sam Flynn came back out of the grid and brought 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:50.560 back a life form that was an amalgam of human and technology. Okay? 00:24:52.320 --> 00:24:55.260 I watched the second movie, but I have no memories of it. 00:24:55.320 --> 00:24:58.920 And they rolled off in the sunset, and that was that. 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:03.340 When this other movie starts, it appears that Sam disappeared, 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.060 quit the company, and they named this other person as CEO. 00:25:07.340 --> 00:25:12.040 But what you don't understand is why that is. Why was it this person? 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.520 It's just not clear. Okay? 00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:21.380 But what you know is that Sam Flynn disappeared, and it's this other person 00:25:21.380 --> 00:25:24.760 that has no relationship with either of them. Okay? 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.780 but skipping that but in the movie it explains well Sam Flynn disappeared and 00:25:30.780 --> 00:25:35.340 they named her CEO that's it but it doesn't really delve into that, 00:25:36.040 --> 00:25:43.120 but look the movie, the action was good the idea was well executed the special 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:48.060 effects looked great and at the end by the way they did tie everything together 00:25:48.060 --> 00:25:53.200 in a certain way that by the way leads you to well they left it You know, 00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:55.460 obviously, it depends if Disney decides to make another... 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:56.700 They left it open for another sequel. 00:25:56.780 --> 00:25:59.880 They left it completely open and tied everything together. 00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:00.900 Mm-hmm. 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.740 All right? In a certain way. That you didn't understand at first, 00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:11.260 but then everything actually, at the end, did come together in a certain way. I... 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:17.640 My wife, my son, me, all thought the movie was great. 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:22.340 What I've seen is that people that have watched the Tron series loved the movie. 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:27.760 They loved the movie. A lot of people, you get people who's like, 00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:29.900 well, why isn't Tron in the movie? 00:26:30.020 --> 00:26:37.020 Now, there is a good question about that because they could have had Tron in the movie. 00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:41.920 But again, even in Tron Legacy, Tron was just a peripheral, 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:49.060 presence in the movie he wasn't really you know a central character to the plot 00:26:49.060 --> 00:26:57.760 okay right so you know that didn't really faze me okay about that it's just that was you know, 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:04.460 look I even if you don't follow the series that movie was enjoyable it was pretty 00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:07.300 cool it was worth a watch I would recommend to go see it. 00:27:07.300 --> 00:27:08.620 Thumbs up from Yvonne. 00:27:08.860 --> 00:27:10.960 Thumbs up from me and everybody in the house. 00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:15.920 Okay well I'm looking at the critical receptions section on Wikipedia and it 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:20.760 sounds like at almost all of the places that do this let's see Rotten Tomatoes 00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:24.500 53% Metacritic 48 out of 100. 00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:29.200 Cinema score gives it a B+. So there you go. 00:27:29.420 --> 00:27:34.460 But by the way I think that the reception to Tron Legacy was very similar as well. 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.580 I just this is not a movie for everybody and a lot of. 00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:39.000 People go to. 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.260 A movie and they just don't like it but i think that um. 00:27:42.260 --> 00:27:45.560 You think for the people who like the previous two movies they'll like this 00:27:45.560 --> 00:27:52.360 one too absolutely 100 yes okay okay so i have like i said i will do one movie 00:27:52.360 --> 00:27:59.460 but before i do the movie some podcast announcements todd podcast bum bum bum bum, 00:28:00.810 --> 00:28:07.390 So number one is I've been mentioning that I was going to do this for a long time, but I finally did. 00:28:08.030 --> 00:28:12.350 The curmudgeons corner blue sky account is now actually active and posting. 00:28:13.290 --> 00:28:17.790 So if you it's just curmudgeons hyphen corner dot com on blue sky, 00:28:17.970 --> 00:28:20.030 it doesn't have one of those BSKY things. 00:28:20.190 --> 00:28:22.670 It's it's the it's the domain name. 00:28:23.330 --> 00:28:28.390 So you can follow curmudgeons corner on blue sky and it will it automatically 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:32.450 posts when we start our live streams. and when new episodes come out. 00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:40.170 And I am also manually now posting on there the same video clips I'm posting on TikTok. 00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:41.150 Okay. 00:28:41.550 --> 00:28:47.010 So you can get the, and I'm still like a month behind or something posting those video clips. 00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:53.070 So as we are recording this, the last clips I posted were from, 00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:58.130 I believe the September 20th show, something like that, maybe 26th. 00:28:58.570 --> 00:29:03.650 I have to be accurate. So I must say this. Let's see. 00:29:07.130 --> 00:29:11.330 September 20th. And the last clips I posted were from the September 20th episode. 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:14.790 By the time I put this out, you'll probably have some from the next show after that. 00:29:15.390 --> 00:29:18.210 But I am doing that. So follow us on Blue Sky. 00:29:19.250 --> 00:29:23.130 I didn't do anything. Anyway, I'll be staying for the other video clips. 00:29:25.050 --> 00:29:26.170 Follow us on Blue Sky. 00:29:27.620 --> 00:29:31.800 Mastodon also gets the episode announcements. So, you know, follow us there. 00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:34.560 If you're there instead, I'm not posting the video clips on Mastodon. 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.160 I guess that you can do that, but whatever. 00:29:37.940 --> 00:29:41.980 And I'm still posting on TikTok. I have, I have still not linked to the TikTok 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:45.380 because, you know, TikTok officially is still in flux. 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.940 You know, there's stuff going on. Who knows what's going to happen with TikTok? 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.700 I don't know. I may get to it eventually. And TikTok, you know, 00:29:52.760 --> 00:29:55.020 you've heard all the stuff. 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.620 It may get acquired in a new U.S. version of the app, blah, blah, 00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:01.480 blah. Who knows if I'll continue with that or not. 00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:06.800 Anyway, so the videos are now on Blue Sky. So that's announcement number one. 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:12.720 Announcement number two is that as part of doing this, I refreshed the Curmudgeon's 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.000 Corner website a little bit. 00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:19.940 specifically you know all the blue sky contacts are on there now as well as 00:30:19.940 --> 00:30:24.040 mastodon to make it a little bit more parallel i made the facebook links the 00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:31.680 same so for mastodon blue sky and facebook there are links to not only the curmudgeon's 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.800 corner accounts but to both me and Yvonne personally. 00:30:35.180 --> 00:30:39.040 And then the big thing for the webpage. 00:30:39.380 --> 00:30:39.820 Big. 00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.440 That people have been clamoring for. 00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:45.880 Clamoring. Clamoring. 00:30:46.300 --> 00:30:50.040 And, you know, on the curmudgeons corner, Slack, specifically. 00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:53.320 So that's why there were people on the streets last Saturday. That was it. 00:30:53.420 --> 00:30:58.300 It was, you know, very excited. You know, no. John on the Slack asked for this. 00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.780 Some other people have asked for this. 00:31:00.650 --> 00:31:07.270 There is now a link. So without joining our Patreon, you can directly buy the mug. 00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:09.890 You can buy the curmudgeons corner mug. 00:31:10.010 --> 00:31:10.630 There you go. 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:16.510 If you go to the website, it says mug colon, and it has a little Zazzle icon 00:31:16.510 --> 00:31:18.430 because Zazzle is who we use to do the mugs. 00:31:18.490 --> 00:31:21.450 You can click on that. You can go straight through and buy the mug. 00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:26.650 And if people do buy the mug, we get a small kickback from that, from Zazzle. 00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:30.490 Hey, you're learning from Trump, huh? 00:31:30.490 --> 00:31:34.810 Getting kickbacks well you know not completely because zazzle lets you pick 00:31:34.810 --> 00:31:40.150 how much of a kickback you get and like there's a certain level that if you 00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:44.350 go above that level like you can go as high as you want you can say like the 00:31:44.350 --> 00:31:50.250 the base cost of the mug is 12 bucks but our kickback is 50 you know or 100 or whatever like. 00:31:50.250 --> 00:31:53.530 A so yeah so like it's like yeah like trump watch levels yes. 00:31:53.530 --> 00:31:57.370 Yeah yeah no but i did not do that there's a certain level that they don't recommend 00:31:57.370 --> 00:32:00.690 you go past and is like, they take an extra fee for themselves. 00:32:00.690 --> 00:32:05.430 If you go above that level, I went as high as you could go without them taking their extra fee. 00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:07.910 So the mugs are like, what are they? 00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:10.440 $13.16. 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:12.060 Oh, there you go. 00:32:13.260 --> 00:32:16.840 And I think we get like a buck out of that or something. I don't even know. 00:32:17.180 --> 00:32:22.000 Like, you know. So if you want a curmudgeon's corner mug and have not earned one. 00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:23.840 This will ameliorate our losses. 00:32:24.300 --> 00:32:25.560 Or being on the show. 00:32:26.040 --> 00:32:30.160 All it does is ameliorate our losses. I, you know. 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:35.900 Yes. Yes. And, you know, despite recent increases to the Patreon. 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:41.740 Thank you, Emily. we uh we we still run at a loss every every month so i mean by the. 00:32:41.740 --> 00:32:44.760 Way and the loss that you're looking at doesn't include how much i'm paying for slack. 00:32:44.760 --> 00:32:49.200 I know you added the slack payment yeah on top of the slack payment i've got 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:54.260 the let's see what do we pay at the moment we pay for riverside we pay for aphonic 00:32:54.260 --> 00:33:01.920 we pay for dream host for hosting and we pay for slack at the moment right yeah and our and our own time. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.240 And our own time. 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:09.620 Yes so none of none of what comes in in exchange adds up to even one of those 00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:11.960 services I listed, let alone all of them. 00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:15.940 We're going to do, like, my friend and plan our retirement, like, 00:33:16.020 --> 00:33:17.500 right now by December 31st. 00:33:18.520 --> 00:33:24.060 Unless you are out there right now and want to join our Patreon. 00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:28.920 There is, on the website, there is a link to our Patreon with all kinds of benefits. 00:33:29.560 --> 00:33:34.840 And, you know, if instead of, you know, the $25 that it used to, 00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:39.120 $25 a month that it used to get, I mean, you can still get a mug for $25 a month. 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.340 But if you really want a mug, you can buy one for $13. 00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:46.280 Plus shipping. And Zazzle's shipping is not trivial. It's not free shipping. 00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:48.220 They add, like, in some stupid shipping. 00:33:48.220 --> 00:33:50.560 So for $100,000 a month. 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:51.320 Yes. 00:33:52.560 --> 00:33:54.020 Then, you know, we're in business. 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:58.740 Exactly. So we will do that. Anyway, no, absent that. 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.860 So anyway, bottom line out of all this, my whole point was here. 00:34:03.040 --> 00:34:06.620 The Curmudgeon's Corner Blue Sky is now active and posting on a regular basis. 00:34:06.620 --> 00:34:09.020 I had created the account like nine months ago or something, 00:34:09.140 --> 00:34:11.320 but it hadn't posted a damn thing until like a week ago. 00:34:12.200 --> 00:34:15.040 and but it is now active and posting and you can now 00:34:15.040 --> 00:34:18.120 go to the website and directly order a curmudgeon's corner 00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:20.900 mug if you so wish you can still 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:26.560 get a mug by joining our patreon at the i think it's the 20 level 25 you know 00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:31.460 and now i'm gonna have to like actually say what all the levels are at our patreon 00:34:31.460 --> 00:34:38.980 so the levels the tears on our patreon membership okay here we go not. 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:42.100 Not Not crying tears. You mean tears like levels. 00:34:42.100 --> 00:34:48.320 Yes, yes. Although you can cry. You are permitted to cry during the show. It is often warranted. 00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:53.220 No, at $1 a month, we will mention you. Yeah, at $1 a month, 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:55.400 we will mention you and thank you on the show. 00:34:56.040 --> 00:35:00.920 At $2 a month, we will also invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack, 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.740 which we also give away for free if you just ask. 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:11.440 For $5 a month, we ring a bell. for $10 a month we will send you a postcard, 00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:15.120 And for $20 a month, we will send you a mug. 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.740 Now, we also do have a $50 a month tier, which no one has ever done. 00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:27.940 For that, we will invite you to record a 30 to 90 second audio clip on almost any topic you like. 00:35:28.120 --> 00:35:31.160 We reserve the right to reject obscene or offensive content, 00:35:31.180 --> 00:35:33.800 which we will play on the show in the next episode. 00:35:34.160 --> 00:35:38.020 I mean, if the content is just insulting us, we'll probably be okay with that. 00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:39.380 Yeah, yeah. 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:42.940 I mean, if you're just saying, like, you know, you guys suck, 00:35:43.540 --> 00:35:45.020 you know, terrible show. 00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:50.160 I don't know why the hell I donated, blah, blah, blah. We're fine. 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.800 Yeah. And look, I made up these tiers when we first set up the Patreon ages 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.900 ago. I know they're somewhat unrealistic tiers. 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:01.540 They are basically a tip jar for us. 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.440 We've also had the request on multiple occasions. Can I just give you a one-time 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.900 thing instead of a subscription? 00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:14.020 And, you know, I've, I've given people like, you know, a PayPal or whatever 00:36:14.020 --> 00:36:18.100 and ways to do that, but maybe one day I'll put that on the, on the site too. 00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:23.260 Like just a one-time tip jar mechanism, you know, because I understand, I don't like. 00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:28.190 subscriptions either. And especially like, I don't, you know, 00:36:28.270 --> 00:36:30.930 $20 a month for a mug. I mean, you know, whatever. 00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:36.410 It's not about the mug. Now you can, you can also get the mug from being on the show. 00:36:36.810 --> 00:36:41.170 If you're actually on the show with us, I will send you a mug for that as well. 00:36:41.350 --> 00:36:43.950 I didn't do that at first, but I've done that for the last few years. 00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:47.210 Whenever somebody joins us on the show. Anyway, that's that. 00:36:48.410 --> 00:36:52.170 Any, any thoughts on that before I jump into my movie, Eva jump. 00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:53.130 Into the movie go. 00:36:53.130 --> 00:36:56.270 Jump jumping oh my 00:36:56.270 --> 00:36:59.110 oh I will say on the don't hurt 00:36:59.110 --> 00:37:01.890 yourself I will not hurt myself I 00:37:01.890 --> 00:37:06.870 on the the last I mentioned the videos I post on TikTok the very last one I 00:37:06.870 --> 00:37:11.070 got on TikTok did also get a a decent amount of people commenting on it and 00:37:11.070 --> 00:37:16.830 such including some MAGA folks and some whatevers and you know some people you 00:37:16.830 --> 00:37:20.250 know defending us against the MAGA folks. 00:37:20.430 --> 00:37:26.130 And of course, I have yet to be convinced that this translates into people actually. 00:37:26.130 --> 00:37:27.670 Listening to the podcast itself. 00:37:27.970 --> 00:37:30.070 I doubt it. Yeah. 00:37:30.270 --> 00:37:33.110 I mean, it takes extra work. You have to figure it out. 00:37:33.430 --> 00:37:36.070 Well, think about, well, it's not just that. Think about, look, 00:37:36.170 --> 00:37:40.830 you watch these clips from certain shows a lot of time that you like, 00:37:40.830 --> 00:37:42.530 and you even like the clips a lot. 00:37:42.830 --> 00:37:47.370 But that doesn't necessarily translate into you watching the show in its entirety. 00:37:47.390 --> 00:37:50.430 Absolutely. Like, I mean, I'll tell you right now, like, you know, 00:37:51.070 --> 00:37:56.630 it has been years since I have actually watched in its entirety, 00:37:57.370 --> 00:38:03.710 any of the late night talk shows, Saturday night, live the daily show, any of these. 00:38:03.810 --> 00:38:07.090 Now, do I see clips from them on a regular basis? Yes, I do. 00:38:07.410 --> 00:38:07.690 Right. 00:38:07.810 --> 00:38:09.990 Just because they show up in my social media feed. 00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:11.610 Yeah. But, but you don't watch the show. 00:38:11.950 --> 00:38:16.010 I don't watch the shows. I don't, I don't know. And, and like the thought of 00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:19.810 doing so is even like, really, Ridiculous. Why would I do that? 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:20.430 Right. 00:38:21.610 --> 00:38:22.170 It's crazy. 00:38:22.770 --> 00:38:23.830 It's preposterous. Yeah. 00:38:24.510 --> 00:38:26.310 Yeah. So anyway. Okay. Movie. 00:38:26.970 --> 00:38:29.830 I'll only do one. I'm never going to catch up on these damn things. 00:38:29.990 --> 00:38:32.970 But Hairspray from 1988. 00:38:34.690 --> 00:38:39.810 I knew absolutely nothing about this movie coming into it. I mean, I knew it was a musical. 00:38:39.810 --> 00:38:43.330 I gotta say, look, I don't think I've watched it either. 00:38:43.590 --> 00:38:46.830 I think I may have, like, because that was one of those movies. 00:38:46.930 --> 00:38:53.230 1988 was a time when, like, that was around the time when I used to subscribe 00:38:53.230 --> 00:38:54.770 to all the movie channels, right? 00:38:55.310 --> 00:38:55.750 Okay. 00:38:55.750 --> 00:39:02.070 So I'm sure that I, I know, I know that flipping through channels, 00:39:02.070 --> 00:39:04.530 it must have been on at some point. 00:39:04.570 --> 00:39:09.910 And I'm sure that I, I saw a little bit, but the moment I realized it's a musical, 00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:13.070 I probably I'm like, okay, I'm out next. 00:39:13.490 --> 00:39:14.770 Right. Yeah. 00:39:15.270 --> 00:39:20.270 So I, I have no idea, but it sounds like something that happened in a beauty salon. 00:39:21.570 --> 00:39:22.310 And it's not. 00:39:23.550 --> 00:39:28.590 Okay, so there you go. You see, I mean, how wrong am I? 00:39:28.710 --> 00:39:31.630 I just proved my point that I have no clue about it either. 00:39:32.270 --> 00:39:38.250 Yeah, and the only thing I knew was a musical, and I guess it was based on a Broadway musical. 00:39:38.470 --> 00:39:43.570 Oh, no, wait. It was a movie musical first, and then it was adapted into a Broadway 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:45.210 musical. It usually goes the other way around. 00:39:45.450 --> 00:39:46.850 Yeah, almost always. 00:39:47.230 --> 00:39:55.090 Yeah, so no, no. It was a 1988 movie, and in 2002, it was adapted for Broadway. 00:39:55.510 --> 00:40:00.050 And there was a second movie version in 2007. 00:40:00.510 --> 00:40:04.670 I watched the 1988 version, not the 2007 version. 00:40:06.370 --> 00:40:12.470 So I will start with the first couple paragraphs of the description and go from there. 00:40:12.470 --> 00:40:23.170 In 1962, Baltimore, overweight teenager Tracy Turnblad dreams of appearing on The Corny Collins Show, 00:40:23.210 --> 00:40:29.330 a popular local television program featuring a council of teenagers dancing to popular songs. 00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:31.770 So, like, you know, think American Bandstand. 00:40:32.130 --> 00:40:32.490 Sure. 00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:38.490 One night, she and her best friend Penny Pingleton sneak out to a record hop 00:40:38.490 --> 00:40:43.250 emceed by the show's host, Corny Collins. though the yes, 00:40:44.370 --> 00:40:49.990 Though the event is segregated, she impresses guest judge Motormouth Maybelle 00:40:49.990 --> 00:40:53.890 Stubbs, who co-hosts the program's monthly Negro Day. 00:40:54.850 --> 00:40:58.730 After Tracy and her partner Fender win that night's dance contest, 00:40:58.970 --> 00:41:03.130 narrowly beating council dancers Amber Von Tussle, the show's reigning queen 00:41:03.130 --> 00:41:08.530 and a mean, conventionally attractive high school classmate whose racist parents, Velma and Franklin, 00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:13.210 own Tilted Acres Amusement Park, which bans African Americans. 00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:15.750 and her boyfriend, Link Larkin. 00:41:16.270 --> 00:41:20.710 Corny invites her to audition for the program at the WZZT television studio 00:41:20.710 --> 00:41:24.970 the next day, inspiring her to bleach, tease, and rat her big hair. 00:41:25.370 --> 00:41:31.770 At the audition, Penny nervously stumbles over her answers and another girl is cut for being black. 00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:36.390 Tracy's dance moves and stellar performance during the mock interview challenge 00:41:36.390 --> 00:41:40.050 earn her a spot on the council beginning with that afternoon's taping. 00:41:40.390 --> 00:41:46.430 After mocking Tracy's weight, Amber is suspended for the day by Corny... Dot, dot, dot. 00:41:46.690 --> 00:41:52.310 The one thing you will have noticed, even from these first couple paragraphs, is... 00:41:53.260 --> 00:41:59.820 It talks about race. It talks about segregation in the 1960s. And this is one thing. 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.120 If this movie came out now, like, what the hell, man? 00:42:03.240 --> 00:42:09.060 I mean, it'd be like a MAGA, like MAGA people would be protesting in front of the. 00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:12.480 Oh, yeah. MAGA would be protesting. Right, right. I thought you were going to 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:13.920 say they would like it. No. 00:42:14.600 --> 00:42:16.580 No. No, they would be protesting outside the movie. 00:42:16.580 --> 00:42:17.420 Because it exists. 00:42:18.080 --> 00:42:18.340 Yes. 00:42:18.580 --> 00:42:23.320 Yes. Yes. No, and this is the thing that, like, again, knowing nothing about 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:26.860 this, I was actually surprised because it had serious themes. 00:42:26.860 --> 00:42:27.460 I'm shocked. 00:42:27.640 --> 00:42:28.980 It had serious themes. 00:42:29.140 --> 00:42:31.840 I thought that this was just some dumb musical. 00:42:32.520 --> 00:42:35.680 Right. And like you, I was like, okay, it's hairspray. They're going to be, 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.800 like, at a salon or something, like you said. 00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:46.160 Right. Fuck. I was not even remotely, remotely close to what the hell this movie's about. 00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:49.760 Well, and even when they start talking about like, oh, OK, they're going on 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.720 like this American bandstand type show. 00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:56.280 I was like, OK, light and frothy, blah, blah, blah. And then it gets into segregation 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.840 and the effects of segregation on the people. 00:42:59.100 --> 00:43:05.060 And then the spoilers here, essentially, the majority of the movie is their 00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:13.640 efforts to desegregate this dance show on TV and how that effort plays out. 00:43:13.640 --> 00:43:17.000 and, you know, there are police involved at various points. 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.720 There's a riot. People get injured, you know. 00:43:20.720 --> 00:43:24.040 Okay, well, question, question. Okay, well, then now this is very confusing. 00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:28.040 Going back to what I talked about, why Tron is called Tron, but it's got very 00:43:28.040 --> 00:43:31.060 little to do with Tron. What the hell is it called? Hairspray. 00:43:31.520 --> 00:43:35.280 Well, I did mention that, you know, to get ready for audition, 00:43:35.580 --> 00:43:38.960 she bleached, tased, and ratted her big hair. 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.020 And presume, you know, and so like, no, I'd say the same thing. 00:43:44.140 --> 00:43:48.920 Look, it's, it's, it's, it's probably a big part of it is exactly. 00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:54.720 I guess the title bandstand racism, is it like, does it really roll off the tip of the tongue? 00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:58.580 I think that's part of it. And also you want to get people in who aren't necessarily 00:43:58.580 --> 00:44:00.000 expecting the heavy message. 00:44:00.120 --> 00:44:03.480 No, exactly. That's what it will. They won't buy. They won't buy that. 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:07.080 You know, the other one isn't attractive and it doesn't roll off the tip of the tongue. 00:44:07.220 --> 00:44:12.720 It's like you said, like, you know, call the movie, you know, Flynn kind of sucked. 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.940 Anyway, it is a musical. It is highly stylized. 00:44:19.080 --> 00:44:26.360 It's not intended to be realistic, but it does hit the more serious themes, and it surprised me. 00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:30.320 It was not what I was expecting coming in. 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:35.940 I'm okay. This is not what I expected in any way, shape, or form. 00:44:36.850 --> 00:44:40.230 And, and, and so, yeah, I, in the end, I'm giving it a thumbs up. 00:44:41.150 --> 00:44:44.630 It's not like, I don't remember any of the damn songs. Like, 00:44:44.630 --> 00:44:49.730 so I can't, I can't tell you that like, you know, I, it hit me in that way. 00:44:49.910 --> 00:44:51.730 You were blown away by the song. 00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:53.870 Yeah. No. 00:44:54.150 --> 00:44:54.550 Something. 00:44:55.250 --> 00:45:00.330 No. Yeah. So I wasn't blown away by the songs. 00:45:00.470 --> 00:45:04.150 I don't remember the songs. I don't remember a lot of details, 00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:11.530 but I really remember the transition from, oh, crap, this isn't going to be like light and fluffy. 00:45:11.730 --> 00:45:15.750 It's not a light and fluffy. This is a serious fucking film. To hell. 00:45:16.290 --> 00:45:21.650 And I remember enjoying it. And, you know, like, you know, at the end, 00:45:21.770 --> 00:45:24.670 when it ends, you feel all the right emotions and et cetera. 00:45:24.930 --> 00:45:29.470 I'll also mention a few members of the cast that you might recognize. 00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:36.310 Sonny Bono is in it. no ricky lake you remember ricky lake god. 00:45:36.310 --> 00:45:38.090 Yes holy shit. 00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:42.330 Jerry stiller wow those 00:45:42.330 --> 00:45:45.310 those are the ones i really knew apparently it has divine 00:45:45.310 --> 00:45:48.090 in it who i didn't really know but apparently is 00:45:48.090 --> 00:45:50.970 well known and a few other people but 00:45:50.970 --> 00:45:54.850 those are those are the ones that uh that i recognized uh 00:45:54.850 --> 00:46:02.190 and specifically ricky lake i was like what what like i haven't heard that name 00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:08.210 in decades you know did a talk show quite a long time ago quite a long time 00:46:08.210 --> 00:46:12.950 ago late i guess when did she do the talk show is 80s had. 00:46:12.950 --> 00:46:15.190 To be the 90s 80s. 00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:16.390 Let's see i, 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:25.320 to that talk show talk show ricky lake yeah you're right 90s 90 93 to 2004. 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.660 The ricky lake show was on yeah it sounded about right and. 00:46:28.660 --> 00:46:31.520 Uh and she's close to our age she's 57. 00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:37.640 Fuck really yeah ricky lake she would be a lot older so wait a minute ricky 00:46:37.640 --> 00:46:40.260 lake so wait she started a show 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:44.880 basically at the same about about the same age as we left college yeah. 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:45.680 Something like that. 00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:50.780 Wow but by the way but but she apparently was an actress because i mean think 00:46:50.780 --> 00:46:52.980 about it she did that movie uh 00:46:52.980 --> 00:47:02.480 in what 88 so she was like shit i mean 19 yeah okay okay so she was 1920. 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.840 Yeah she was born in 68 yeah. 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.780 Yeah yeah so it's 1920 yeah and. 00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:11.300 And she was in a she was in a few movies it looks like in a couple. 00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:15.220 TV shows as well as a show. Yeah, so she was somebody who was a famous young actress. 00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:17.000 She wasn't an A-list actor. 00:47:17.420 --> 00:47:21.480 No, but, you know, she was around, you know, yeah. 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.400 Anyway, thumbs up to Hairspray. More for the themes than the movie itself, 00:47:28.600 --> 00:47:30.200 I guess. But it was fun as a movie, too. 00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:34.460 I mean, I don't remember the songs, but I remember them being non-objectionable. 00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:37.380 I remember the... 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:41.800 Always, always the song review that you want to get from your audience. 00:47:42.080 --> 00:47:45.200 Hey, how was my concert? I was non-objectable. 00:47:45.640 --> 00:47:47.600 Objection. I can't even say it. 00:47:48.200 --> 00:47:52.140 Whatever. The stars looking at you like, oh, that's, that's. 00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:54.540 I remember liking. I'm glad you didn't. 00:47:54.740 --> 00:47:56.680 I'm glad you didn't wretched vomit. 00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:58.740 at my songs. 00:47:58.740 --> 00:48:01.940 Thank you yes yes i i remember 00:48:01.940 --> 00:48:05.980 also liking sort of it was 1960s 00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:13.580 but stylized and so i i remember noticing the colorful outfits and the 1960s 00:48:13.580 --> 00:48:19.700 look and sort of the you know you know just the 1960s vibe but it was like you 00:48:19.700 --> 00:48:24.220 know upped you know so it wasn't a realistic, gritty 1960s. 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.460 It was like a, I'm not quite, it's not like, it's not like watching the original 00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:31.380 Batman TV series like that. 00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:31.680 Okay. 00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:36.080 But, but it's still like, you know, colorful, amped up, you know, 00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:40.640 sort of cartoonish version, but mixed in with the serious themes. 00:48:41.060 --> 00:48:45.720 So anyway, thumbs up for that. Shall we take a break and get onto our serious stuff? 00:48:46.180 --> 00:48:48.900 Yes. Let's take a breaky. Breaky, breaky. 00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.820 Okay. This one. 00:49:40.200 --> 00:49:45.460 Okay, there we are. So, Yvonne, you usually do the first segment. 00:49:45.700 --> 00:49:50.800 What are your top topics in this amazing week where we've had, 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.480 you know, things happen? 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:07.420 I'm getting, like, heartburn just thinking about it. I'm looking at this shit. 00:50:08.100 --> 00:50:15.040 At our lovely list that we maintain throughout the week. He looks so excited. So excited. 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:19.440 You know... 00:50:21.560 --> 00:50:25.340 Okay, I'm going to bring this up because I don't know much about this, 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.980 and it seems like I think that you do know more about this. 00:50:29.220 --> 00:50:29.740 Oh, no. 00:50:30.060 --> 00:50:31.980 It's about the main Senate thing. 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.080 Ah, the main Senate thing. 00:50:35.120 --> 00:50:38.480 But can you explain what's going on with the main Senate? I mean, 00:50:38.580 --> 00:50:42.340 listen, all I know, this is I will give you my. 00:50:42.640 --> 00:50:45.600 I probably don't know a lot more, but go ahead. Go ahead. 00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:48.960 OK, well, I will just say what what I'm pretty sure, you know, more than that. 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:49.800 OK. 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:50.100 OK. 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.240 And if not, I'll just make shit up. 00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:55.400 Well, that's that's great. Perfect. You know, you know what? 00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:59.320 We would be very 2025. OK, by doing that. 00:50:59.600 --> 00:51:01.420 Yeah. I'll ask chat. 00:51:01.580 --> 00:51:08.820 Yeah. So what what? OK, all I know is that there is some Democrat, 00:51:09.340 --> 00:51:16.680 right, that's running for the primary to be the nominee for Senate for Maine, 00:51:16.940 --> 00:51:19.740 which people think is a winnable seat at this point. 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:20.040 Right. 00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:27.460 And apparently this guy had a tattoo on his chest and it was a Nazi symbol. 00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:30.140 and then apparently he said that 00:51:30.140 --> 00:51:34.100 he removed the tattoo or something something 00:51:34.100 --> 00:51:41.360 and then i guess that some chats or some stuff about him appeared to show that 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:46.900 he was just throwing around nazi shit you know like just like the young republicans 00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:53.040 that we heard about uh the other time uh yeah so So that's it. That's all I know. 00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:56.580 Okay. You are close to what I know already. 00:51:56.780 --> 00:51:56.960 Fuck. 00:51:57.200 --> 00:52:02.860 Let's go into a little bit more. So first of all, yes, this is Susan Collins' 00:52:03.040 --> 00:52:05.500 seat in Maine. They're up in 2026. 00:52:06.020 --> 00:52:10.760 She is considered one of the most vulnerable Republicans because generally speaking, 00:52:11.020 --> 00:52:15.520 Maine has gone Democrat on a statewide level for a while now. 00:52:16.080 --> 00:52:19.540 You know, they split their votes in the Electoral College the last couple times 00:52:19.540 --> 00:52:22.440 around because they're one of the two states that can do that. 00:52:22.620 --> 00:52:29.000 And they have continued to elect her as a Republican for Senate for a while. 00:52:29.140 --> 00:52:29.240 Right. 00:52:30.060 --> 00:52:33.500 But it's considered gettable because she's. 00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:38.160 She said it because she's a fucking sellout. I mean, that's it. 00:52:38.580 --> 00:52:42.180 I mean, every time that something comes up that is horrible, 00:52:42.860 --> 00:52:49.700 her default, you know, it's now a comedy skit. Well, it's not just that. 00:52:50.700 --> 00:52:56.000 I was going to say. Oh, I am deeply concerned. Oh, I am extremely concerned. 00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:01.060 Now I am, like, disturbingly concerned. You know? 00:53:02.180 --> 00:53:03.520 Do something, bitch. 00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:07.860 Well, I. I was going to, I was actually going to, it's not quite as dramatic 00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:10.940 as the situation, but I was going to compare her to Manchin in West Virginia. 00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:16.740 She is a Republican leftover in a state that has moved blue as opposed to a 00:53:16.740 --> 00:53:18.640 Democratic leftover in a state that has moved red. 00:53:18.640 --> 00:53:21.540 But even Manchin voted for some Democratic shit and protected some important 00:53:21.540 --> 00:53:23.960 shit like the ACA, whereas she got it. 00:53:24.040 --> 00:53:28.660 She voted to, I mean, she voted for these psychopathic fucking nominees. 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.800 But for most of the time, she votes with the Republicans. Every once in a while, 00:53:33.820 --> 00:53:35.420 she votes with the Democrats on something. 00:53:35.640 --> 00:53:41.180 So it's kind of she, you know, the difference is that Maine hasn't gone as far 00:53:41.180 --> 00:53:47.040 blue as West Virginia has gone red. But she's still one of those people who are, you know. 00:53:48.060 --> 00:53:52.760 in a position where her state has moved and she hasn't necessarily. 00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:59.200 But she is one of the last remaining people who, you know, is considered one 00:53:59.200 --> 00:54:04.400 of those swing Republicans that actually sometimes goes with the Democrats on something. 00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:05.480 Okay. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.000 Even though, as you said, she's constantly saying she's concerned. 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:11.160 Deeply concerned. 00:54:12.040 --> 00:54:16.320 Extremely concerned. She said, she says Roe versus Wade is important for her, 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.560 but she votes for the judge that's obviously going to get rid of it. 00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:20.080 Exactly. 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.120 Because they told her, like, maybe they won't. 00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:28.100 They promised, because we promise you we won't. Fuck it. 00:54:28.180 --> 00:54:32.500 Right. Anyway, all this kind of stuff. So, she's gettable. 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:36.540 So, there is a primary on the Democratic side. 00:54:37.060 --> 00:54:40.480 There are all sorts of people running. 00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:44.480 So, on the Democratic side, let's see. 00:54:45.260 --> 00:54:49.440 The guy we're talking about is Graham Planter. He's been the front line. 00:54:49.620 --> 00:54:55.980 You see, that's one thing. Listen, if right now you had said Ivan for $50, 00:54:57.300 --> 00:55:01.380 name the guy in Maine. That is a controversy. 00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:05.060 I would have struck out. 00:55:05.980 --> 00:55:12.300 Right. But we've also got David Costello, Tucker Favreau, Darius Smith Rodriguez. 00:55:13.780 --> 00:55:20.500 Yes. Daria Smith-Rodriguez, Jordan Wood, and just within the last two weeks, 00:55:20.620 --> 00:55:25.980 jumping in, the current governor of Maine, Janet Mills. Now, 00:55:26.770 --> 00:55:33.730 And let's hit this a little bit. Graham Planter, who all this controversy is 00:55:33.730 --> 00:55:36.930 about, had been gaining lots of momentum. 00:55:37.170 --> 00:55:40.930 Well, the last poll that I saw, which was before all of this came out, 00:55:40.990 --> 00:55:43.810 he was over 50%. What was his appeal? 00:55:43.950 --> 00:55:48.710 By the way, why was he the frontrunner? What was his bona fides, bona fides? 00:55:48.710 --> 00:55:52.790 Well, interestingly enough, given what we're about to talk about, 00:55:52.850 --> 00:55:57.250 about Nazi tattoos, was he was getting popular with the progressive crowd. 00:55:57.470 --> 00:55:59.370 He was endorsed by Bernie Sanders. 00:56:00.070 --> 00:56:04.950 He was endorsed by Ro Khanna. He was endorsed by David Hogg, 00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:08.450 if you remember him, and a few other people on those lines. 00:56:08.570 --> 00:56:13.870 And he was making a lot of sort of progressive noises that made the left side 00:56:13.870 --> 00:56:21.550 of the Democratic Party very happy. Also, he was just being direct and outspoken. 00:56:21.930 --> 00:56:24.690 And, you know, like we've talked about other candidates, he was sort of, 00:56:24.790 --> 00:56:30.030 you know, directly attacking Trump and hitting some of the national issues while 00:56:30.030 --> 00:56:33.990 also rooting things locally. people were talking about. 00:56:34.290 --> 00:56:40.110 There were some comparisons to Fetterman before he went crazy in terms of he's 00:56:40.110 --> 00:56:47.670 got sort of the look of a guy who might appeal to sort of right-wing or moderate 00:56:47.670 --> 00:56:50.430 MAGA folks and may be able to convert a few of them. 00:56:50.590 --> 00:56:53.530 I mean, actually, it's not MAGA people. 00:56:53.830 --> 00:56:58.630 The kind of people that these people appear to are the more low-information people, 00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:03.100 of voters that sometimes because they're 00:57:03.100 --> 00:57:06.360 they have been raised in some conservative environment they 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.460 kind of like always like oh well i was raised republican i'm going to vote republican 00:57:10.460 --> 00:57:13.860 they're low information so they want to but this is the kind of voter that would 00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:17.440 appeal to him because it sounds like it's like he's like one of them and so 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.260 when he's talking he's like oh i i you know this guy i you know i relate to 00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:24.660 this guy okay great you know that's that's what i see. 00:57:24.660 --> 00:57:29.360 And part of his appeal was military, masculine, whatever, you know, 00:57:29.540 --> 00:57:34.560 had that kind of, you know, macho guy kind of look, but still had sort of your, 00:57:34.560 --> 00:57:38.880 your progressive opinions on social issues and other things like that. 00:57:39.540 --> 00:57:43.900 And so he was getting a lot, you know, I mentioned some of the endorsements, 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.240 but also like other democratic senators, like Elizabeth Warren, 00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:53.980 Chris Murphy, Sheldon Whitehouse, So, yeah, good, good, good, good. 00:57:54.100 --> 00:57:56.440 They didn't endorse outright, but they expressed support. 00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.560 They supported him. Okay, yeah, sure. Sounds like a good. 00:57:59.720 --> 00:58:03.960 Okay. And so, like, he was gaining lots and lots of momentum. 00:58:04.340 --> 00:58:11.360 Now, a lot of establishment Democrats were like, uh-oh, we can't have this. 00:58:11.500 --> 00:58:17.200 He's, like, he's going to be too far left or he's going to have other issues. 00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:24.740 and we're just going to, if we run this guy, we're going to end up with Susan Collins winning again. 00:58:25.580 --> 00:58:30.380 You know, she's going to pull out the win because this guy may be appealing 00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:33.140 to certain parts of our party, but he can't win a general election. 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.880 That was their take on him, and they generally were unhappy with him. 00:58:37.140 --> 00:58:41.560 And maybe they knew some of this stuff that was going to come out. 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:45.620 Now, because they were actively trying to recruit Janet Mills, 00:58:45.740 --> 00:58:48.780 who is the Democratic governor of Maine. 00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:52.700 And she's term limited, so she can't stay on as governor longer. 00:58:53.200 --> 00:58:58.580 She has been around a long time. She is also 77 years old. 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:04.200 So she's one of the people who like that. You know, we've talked many times 00:59:04.200 --> 00:59:09.640 about sort of the democratic age problem where, you know, and I know you take 00:59:09.640 --> 00:59:11.720 the point of like, hey, if they're effective, 00:59:12.080 --> 00:59:14.480 age doesn't matter, whatever. However. 00:59:15.420 --> 00:59:22.660 The Democratic leadership is really top-heavy with baby boomers or even silent 00:59:22.660 --> 00:59:24.380 generation who just won't let go. 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:27.820 They're starting to, but that's still an issue. And so, okay, 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:34.220 we've got another late 70s person who, with a six-year term, would be in here. 00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:37.760 More my question is about her positions and how she has been. 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.340 I mean, and how popular—well, here's the thing, and I think more importantly—. 00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:42.620 She is very popular in. 00:59:42.620 --> 00:59:46.120 Maine. You see, that's the thing. If she is a super popular governor in Maine, 00:59:46.340 --> 00:59:49.360 then obviously she and this has happened before here in Florida, 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:53.200 she would be the natural candidate to win that that Senate seat. 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.660 Look at fucking Rick Scott. That bastard. 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:55.920 Yeah. 00:59:56.060 --> 00:59:59.620 You know, maybe wasn't the most popular governor, but he was governor. 00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:05.020 And that guy went and easily moved from being governor into winning the damn seat. 01:00:05.020 --> 01:00:10.420 And when you are able to do that, the reality is that I will say that just looking 01:00:10.420 --> 01:00:14.220 at the situation without really knowing the specifics, 01:00:14.520 --> 01:00:20.640 the reality is that that is definitely gives you a far more winnable candidate for the campaign, 01:00:21.160 --> 01:00:22.540 period. End the story. 01:00:22.540 --> 01:00:27.380 And I think in terms of viewpoints and everything, as far as I know, 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.500 she's a fairly mainline Democrat. 01:00:31.100 --> 01:00:36.800 Like, she's not a progressive Democrat, but she's a fairly mainline, 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.920 what you would expect of a Democrat who's been around for a while. 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:46.920 Can I be, listen, but can I be blunt one thing about what the hell defines a 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:51.920 mainline Democrat versus a progressive Democrat these days? 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:56.040 Because the other day I was listening to Bernie Sanders in an interview talking 01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:58.580 about this, and it's not the positions. 01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:00.460 It's the attitude. 01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:06.380 Yeah, that's it. It's a thing of like where Bernie says the system is completely broken. 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:10.980 And I'm saying this is what he said for the last 20 years. 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:18.860 And that the way to what we need to do is that we can't be timid by making, 01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:24.440 you know, by the way that the Democrats want to legislate or make these changes 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:25.980 when we need to destroy the whole thing. 01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:28.840 And that's what Trump understands. OK. 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:34.700 Right. You can't make small incremental changes for, you know, 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.120 yeah, maybe you're improving it a little bit, but you have to address the underlying problem. 01:01:38.220 --> 01:01:41.040 And he said, well, that's what Trump understands. The problem is that what Trump 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:46.340 understands and what he's doing is that, yeah, Trump may be saying the system's 01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:48.500 broken, but the problem is that 01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:51.940 what he has is a disdain for the law and a disdain for everybody else. 01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:57.600 And I'm sorry, but if what you're telling me is that the way to make things 01:01:57.600 --> 01:02:04.780 work is to basically, you know, wipe your ass with the law, with the rule of law. 01:02:06.060 --> 01:02:14.440 I mean, I'm sorry, but that's not a way to either to fix things either. 01:02:14.860 --> 01:02:19.000 You know, now, now I do think. 01:02:20.130 --> 01:02:28.910 That Democrats need to be take what the law allows and be far more aggressive with it. 01:02:29.270 --> 01:02:31.190 Yeah, you need to push it as far as it. 01:02:31.410 --> 01:02:37.070 Exactly. You need to push the limits of the law. OK, that that I am with and 01:02:37.070 --> 01:02:38.630 they are not and they have not. 01:02:38.890 --> 01:02:41.630 And that's been the problem because there were things that Biden could have 01:02:41.630 --> 01:02:47.730 done that were far more aggressive in order to do certain things. And we just didn't do it. 01:02:47.810 --> 01:02:52.050 OK, it just wasn't done. So that I agree with, but, but I don't, I don't, I don't. 01:02:52.050 --> 01:02:55.370 I don't at least part of it is we did have mansion and cinema. 01:02:55.770 --> 01:02:59.470 Which, but even blocked a bunch of stuff, which blocked a whole bunch of stuff 01:02:59.470 --> 01:03:01.050 as well, because you couldn't even take it. 01:03:01.170 --> 01:03:03.370 Even if you took the limit and said, Hey, we'll break the filibuster. 01:03:03.530 --> 01:03:04.930 It didn't happen because you didn't have enough. 01:03:05.310 --> 01:03:09.390 You didn't have enough senators anyway, to, to, to get, to get stuff, 01:03:09.750 --> 01:03:11.790 but other stuff like with the Supreme court. 01:03:12.680 --> 01:03:17.020 And, you know, going going all the way to say, fuck it, we'll pack the court. 01:03:17.180 --> 01:03:24.840 Go, you know, you got to go more Roosevelt than than than we have. 01:03:25.120 --> 01:03:28.780 And Roosevelt did a lot of a lot of this and he got pushed back. 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.560 OK, yeah, he was super aggressive. 01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:36.940 I don't I don't I don't I don't disagree that you got to be aggressive. But but my point is that. 01:03:36.940 --> 01:03:40.300 It's it's about even on even on his court packet. 01:03:40.300 --> 01:03:43.040 you know he basically the way that 01:03:43.040 --> 01:03:46.600 played out it is he was going to nominate a whole bunch more judges without 01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:49.340 explicit legislation to expand the court or anything like that 01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:52.460 he was just going to nominate more judges and and 01:03:52.460 --> 01:03:59.640 see what would happen and basically this was because the supreme court was in 01:03:59.640 --> 01:04:02.260 the process of they'd already done it on a few things and we're going to do 01:04:02.260 --> 01:04:06.360 it on more push back a bunch of new deal legislation and declare it unconstitutional 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.320 exactly and basically with the threat of the court packing, 01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:15.960 the court backed down and agreed to compromises, essentially, 01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:19.160 and allowed things through. At least this is how I remember it. 01:04:19.180 --> 01:04:22.020 I think your recollection is correct. 01:04:22.240 --> 01:04:26.900 And so the court packing never actually came to the head in the end because 01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:28.520 you exerted the pressure. 01:04:28.680 --> 01:04:32.580 You exerted the damn pressure. That's the point. You can't just sit there, 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.940 you know, my whole thing, and like I said, progressive, this isn't appropriate. 01:04:37.730 --> 01:04:42.610 You fucking put the positions out there. It isn't about the goddamn positions anymore. 01:04:43.010 --> 01:04:46.230 They actually aren't that far off from each other. 01:04:46.550 --> 01:04:53.130 And even before, the biggest difference was incrementality versus big pop changes. 01:04:53.130 --> 01:04:55.390 I think we all agree on big pop changes. 01:04:55.930 --> 01:05:00.230 At this point, certainly. I mean, I've made the argument before that you have 01:05:00.230 --> 01:05:04.990 to do certain things incrementally because otherwise you get all kinds of unintended 01:05:04.990 --> 01:05:07.510 consequences and backlash and all kinds of things. 01:05:07.730 --> 01:05:13.990 But at this point, certainly for the kinds of things we were talking about that 01:05:13.990 --> 01:05:19.670 Obama should have done, you know, make new states, expand the court, et cetera. 01:05:20.550 --> 01:05:24.470 Yeah, just fuck it, man. Listen, just you got to go take that playbook right 01:05:24.470 --> 01:05:26.330 now and you got to fucking, you know, 01:05:26.810 --> 01:05:31.690 basically, whoever the hell wins like right now has to take the you have to 01:05:31.690 --> 01:05:36.930 take the you you would need to run on the anti-project 2025 platform. 01:05:36.930 --> 01:05:38.410 Basically you you. 01:05:38.410 --> 01:05:44.330 Go and you're saying i'm undoing all of this shit and by the way we're gonna 01:05:44.330 --> 01:05:47.590 undo it the same way this asshole did it and. 01:05:47.590 --> 01:05:50.730 Go further you know i saw someone post 01:05:50.730 --> 01:05:54.710 on blue sky and i i'm gonna be mad at myself because i don't remember who that 01:05:54.710 --> 01:06:00.010 oh okay we're going to we're gonna solve this where the democrats are gonna 01:06:00.010 --> 01:06:05.490 figure out like you said the the approach and the approach is going to be hire 01:06:05.490 --> 01:06:07.730 some consultants to come up with a plan. 01:06:08.860 --> 01:06:17.700 The plan is health care and or jobs, and then we're going to do the same thing. 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:23.400 To be fair to Biden, Biden was very aggressive on a lot of things that he did 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.240 compared to previous presidents. 01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:30.280 Well, he actually got more, I mean, he got more of the progressive priorities 01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.940 done than any president since LBJ. 01:06:33.980 --> 01:06:34.960 Well, yeah, the LBJ. 01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:35.880 No, since LBJ. 01:06:36.040 --> 01:06:39.820 Yes, it's LBJ. Okay. And here's the one thing for all the Bernie talk or whatever 01:06:39.820 --> 01:06:43.700 that he talks about. I'm sorry, but how much legislation has Bernie actually passed? 01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:48.520 So here's the thing. And that's the other thing. 01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:53.900 I'm like, look, my problem with him is that he's been very ineffectual. 01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:57.860 He's been super ineffectual. So I don't give a shit what, you know, 01:06:57.940 --> 01:07:04.720 show me during his track record, during his life, you know, what has he accomplished? Okay. 01:07:05.260 --> 01:07:10.520 So that's my knock on him. He sure as hell can complain or rile up, 01:07:10.660 --> 01:07:12.760 but not actually get anything done. 01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:15.480 So let's circle back to Maine. 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:21.220 And the whole point was because you mentioned that they're trying to bring the governor. 01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:24.640 Apparently, did she officially throw her hat in the ring at this point? 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:29.760 Yes. Her hat is now in the ring. She is now running. And this is where some 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.280 of this stuff comes back into play. 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:40.500 because the rumor is that everything we've been hearing about Nazi tattoo guy, 01:07:40.680 --> 01:07:42.640 whose name I already forgot, Graham Planter, 01:07:44.160 --> 01:07:47.860 is essentially oppo research coming out of Mill's campaign. 01:07:48.180 --> 01:07:48.320 Okay. 01:07:48.680 --> 01:07:54.200 Which makes you think, like, was the mainstream opposition to this guy actually 01:07:54.200 --> 01:08:00.120 mostly, oh, he's a progressive, or did they know some of this stuff and knew it would be a problem? 01:08:00.200 --> 01:08:00.480 Sam. 01:08:00.620 --> 01:08:00.800 Right? 01:08:01.950 --> 01:08:05.330 Like, okay, listen, I don't give a shit where this came out. 01:08:05.770 --> 01:08:08.250 I'm fucking sorry, okay? 01:08:08.730 --> 01:08:13.670 Just because it came out of somebody else that the motherfucker was Nazi-tatted 01:08:13.670 --> 01:08:18.650 on his fucking body doesn't make a fucking difference in the facts. 01:08:19.230 --> 01:08:22.930 So let's go through some of the history. So before the tattoo stuff came out, 01:08:23.090 --> 01:08:28.290 what had started to come out was this guy apparently was a prolific poster on Reddit. 01:08:28.730 --> 01:08:37.090 Oh! Yeah. Yeah, a platform of absolutely civil discourse and, 01:08:37.090 --> 01:08:39.230 you know, discussion. Yes, of course. 01:08:39.590 --> 01:08:42.530 And so people, of course, started looking through his history. 01:08:42.650 --> 01:08:47.530 They found him making comments about, you know, how, you know, 01:08:47.610 --> 01:08:51.750 black people don't tip and, you know, that kind of stuff. 01:08:51.750 --> 01:08:58.930 he made some comments basically defending how the military was not taking seriously 01:08:58.930 --> 01:09:02.710 accounts of sexual assault and rape in the military oh. 01:09:02.710 --> 01:09:06.630 Yeah oh a wholehearted progressive right here buddy. 01:09:06.630 --> 01:09:12.350 And basically saying like you know hey you know the the military is right to 01:09:12.350 --> 01:09:16.650 downplay this stuff it's a bunch of you know whiny women who should just suck 01:09:16.650 --> 01:09:18.330 it up that kind stuff. Ah, yes. 01:09:18.410 --> 01:09:20.890 Just enjoy the rape. That's what they used to say. 01:09:21.030 --> 01:09:21.170 Right? 01:09:21.430 --> 01:09:24.910 You know, why don't you just calm down and, you know, enjoy it? 01:09:25.210 --> 01:09:28.210 No, what I said was not an exact quote. 01:09:28.790 --> 01:09:32.610 No, but I'm not doing an exact quote either, but that is what... 01:09:32.610 --> 01:09:35.630 I'm sorry. There are people that used to say that, Sam. 01:09:36.290 --> 01:09:40.810 Yeah, yeah. So anyway, there were comments like that that were already out there, 01:09:40.870 --> 01:09:45.350 and he was already like defending them, and then the tattoo thing came out, 01:09:45.350 --> 01:09:49.290 And apparently the way he did this, he actually released it first. 01:09:49.550 --> 01:09:54.170 He got wind that somebody else was going to release it. So he went on some podcast. 01:09:54.530 --> 01:09:58.290 They played this video of him from a birthday party or whatever. 01:09:58.530 --> 01:10:03.230 And he was singing karaoke shirtless and the tattoo was very visible, right? 01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:14.180 And, and so he brought this up and it is apparently one of the well-known Nazi 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:18.700 symbols. It's like a skull with wings or whatever. It is not a swastika. 01:10:18.940 --> 01:10:22.480 It is not the SS symbol, but this is apparently like number three. 01:10:22.660 --> 01:10:27.460 Like if you were going down Nazis, you know, symbolism and, and things that 01:10:27.460 --> 01:10:29.540 were used and that people are well-known for. 01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:34.300 He, his argument, he said he had no idea what it was. 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:39.320 it was just, yeah, it was, he got it on a drunken night in the military and 01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:43.920 it was a military thing and it was about being in the unit he was in, 01:10:44.140 --> 01:10:49.060 et cetera, et cetera, which by the way, if true is all problematic in and of itself, but whatever. 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:52.320 He says he didn't know it was Nazi at the time. 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.840 And once this pressure started coming up, he started talking about getting it removed. 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:04.600 I saw one report, but I didn't see this talked about a lot more that he did 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:11.460 get a cover-up tattoo that also was something that tended to be used by white supremacists and such. 01:11:12.020 --> 01:11:17.520 It's like, I haven't seen that. I saw some talk of it for a couple hours on 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:18.720 the day, but then not much since. 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.980 So I'm wondering, was it even true or was it misinformation as well? 01:11:22.100 --> 01:11:28.580 I don't know. So, but then, you know, I think it was K-File from, from CNN. 01:11:29.650 --> 01:11:37.290 And just went looking at more of his Reddit posts and found him talking about 01:11:37.290 --> 01:11:42.610 that symbol that he had tattooed, that he denied he had any idea what it was from several years ago, 01:11:42.930 --> 01:11:48.290 in a conversation that fully acknowledged it was a Nazi symbol. 01:11:48.890 --> 01:11:53.750 Now, having said that, he was saying in that conversation how, 01:11:53.750 --> 01:11:57.710 yes, it was a Nazi symbol, but it was okay because. 01:11:58.390 --> 01:12:02.730 And he started, basically, he was saying, you know, it's used by lots of folks 01:12:02.730 --> 01:12:05.950 in the military. It's just sort of an aggressive skull kind of thing. 01:12:06.010 --> 01:12:11.290 It doesn't have to be associated with its Nazi origins, you know, blah, blah, blah. 01:12:11.750 --> 01:12:15.110 And there are lots of folks in the military that have this that aren't Nazis. 01:12:15.270 --> 01:12:19.790 Yeah. You know what? That all may be true. but I will say this. 01:12:20.010 --> 01:12:24.630 I don't want to elect somebody that believes that. 01:12:25.090 --> 01:12:31.590 Even if I take him at his foot, at his word, I don't, I, that's not a guy I want period. 01:12:32.010 --> 01:12:40.050 Yeah. I mean, it shows this, the best possible interpretation of all this is 01:12:40.050 --> 01:12:44.150 bad judgment from start to finish, including how he's handled the last two weeks. 01:12:44.150 --> 01:12:47.590 So we're not just even talking about like things that happened years ago. 01:12:47.590 --> 01:12:52.710 And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything you said. 01:12:52.990 --> 01:12:56.230 It's still, to me, it's unacceptable. 01:12:57.070 --> 01:13:01.830 I mean, I saw, you know, there's been some debate about this, and I think I... 01:13:04.460 --> 01:13:08.640 There was a post by Christy Coulter, who's someone I knew and has been on the 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:12.860 show a few years back, about this, where she talked about. 01:13:13.060 --> 01:13:15.120 And other people have said this too. I'm going to make a joke. 01:13:15.240 --> 01:13:16.420 She's not related to Ann Coulter. 01:13:16.940 --> 01:13:19.860 No, she's not. Thank God. Not as far as I'm aware. 01:13:20.240 --> 01:13:20.600 Okay. 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:22.800 Spelled differently. 01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:23.900 Okay, good. 01:13:23.900 --> 01:13:30.140 Anyway, look, if you're going to do, redemption arcs are part of American history. 01:13:30.540 --> 01:13:35.400 It's something we tend to revere. The person who was like, was wrong, 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:41.960 realizes they were wrong, admits they were wrong, and then works to undo the 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.300 damage they did previously. Okay, that happens. 01:13:45.700 --> 01:13:47.500 And that can be okay. 01:13:48.120 --> 01:13:53.620 But what we have, but if he was going to play those cards for the tattoo, 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.780 for his previous bad statements, for whatever... 01:13:58.050 --> 01:14:03.190 then he would have started out right out of the gate, essentially, with that story. 01:14:03.590 --> 01:14:07.190 Yeah, there you go. Not deny, deny, deny. 01:14:07.630 --> 01:14:13.190 Right. I used to be an asshole. I did a lot of things that I am ashamed of today. 01:14:16.170 --> 01:14:20.630 Not even specifically about Reddit posts or whatever, but just in general, 01:14:20.830 --> 01:14:30.490 I held views that I now realize were wrong. I have had some further experiences. I have met more people. 01:14:30.690 --> 01:14:39.130 I've talked to people. I've realized my previous whatevers were toxic and bad. 01:14:39.130 --> 01:14:44.310 And now I'm better and I'm working to undo damage. 01:14:44.310 --> 01:14:50.330 I'm working to do the right thing now. By the way, I got that damn tattoo removed 01:14:50.330 --> 01:14:54.970 20 years ago or whatever. He's probably not even old enough to have a tattoo 01:14:54.970 --> 01:14:56.670 20 years ago. I don't know how old the guy is. 01:14:56.670 --> 01:15:00.070 How old is he? What's his name again? I can't remember his name. 01:15:00.190 --> 01:15:01.270 I don't want to remember his name. 01:15:01.390 --> 01:15:04.730 I want to delete him from my files. What the fuck is his name again? 01:15:05.470 --> 01:15:07.710 Let me bring him up again. Graham Planter. 01:15:08.170 --> 01:15:10.390 Graham. I was going to say Graham Parker. 01:15:11.110 --> 01:15:12.170 He's 41. He's 41. 01:15:12.630 --> 01:15:14.650 So 20 years, well, no, 20 years ago. 01:15:14.710 --> 01:15:15.350 It would have been 21. 01:15:15.690 --> 01:15:16.210 Yeah. Okay. 01:15:16.350 --> 01:15:21.290 Could have done it. Just barely, just barely. Anyway, he, that's not what he did at all. 01:15:21.590 --> 01:15:21.950 No. 01:15:22.110 --> 01:15:26.030 He preemptively went and started deleting as much off Reddit as he could. 01:15:26.830 --> 01:15:34.730 He denied knowing that this tattoo was of Nazi origin, even though subsequent 01:15:34.730 --> 01:15:38.010 Reddit posts that people found showed that he knew exactly what it was. 01:15:38.010 --> 01:15:43.070 Maybe he didn't know what it was when he got it, but he certainly knew before now. 01:15:43.450 --> 01:15:48.070 Sam, if I found out that I got something that I thought was cool, 01:15:48.570 --> 01:15:52.990 okay, not that I have any tattoos, okay, but if I went and I found out that 01:15:52.990 --> 01:15:56.850 I got something on that I thought was cool and then somebody fucking told me 01:15:56.850 --> 01:16:01.070 that it was a Nazi symbol, I'd be fucking running to the goddamn fucking place 01:16:01.070 --> 01:16:02.690 to get this shit off of me. 01:16:03.890 --> 01:16:06.030 Yes, absolutely. Yes. 01:16:06.610 --> 01:16:12.170 Say if I bought a t-shirt, okay, that I thought, oh, that looks cool. 01:16:12.190 --> 01:16:17.050 And somebody tells me, oh, you realize, right? That's a white supremacist logo. 01:16:17.250 --> 01:16:20.090 I've been fucking burning the shirt immediately. 01:16:20.690 --> 01:16:27.810 Right. Yeah. No, absolutely. And, and, and, yeah, and, and. 01:16:28.970 --> 01:16:31.650 And you'd tell that story if it came up. 01:16:31.870 --> 01:16:35.550 Exactly. I said, listen, I went to the shop. I saw this T-shirt, 01:16:35.690 --> 01:16:37.090 man. It looks so fucking cool. 01:16:37.290 --> 01:16:40.950 I thought, whatever, you know, let me get this. Then all of a sudden I'm together 01:16:40.950 --> 01:16:43.730 with some friends and somebody points out that it's a fucking white supremacist 01:16:43.730 --> 01:16:44.890 thing. And we were having a barbecue. 01:16:45.070 --> 01:16:49.010 And I, you know what? I grabbed the damn shirt off of me and just fucking tossed 01:16:49.010 --> 01:16:51.690 it in the fire pit. I didn't know what I bought. 01:16:52.550 --> 01:16:56.450 Yeah. Yo, to switch to a slightly lighter thing for a moment, 01:16:56.570 --> 01:16:59.570 since you mentioned the tattoos that people don't know what are. Okay. 01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:07.410 There's a woman, you know, she does a whole series and I wish I, 01:17:07.610 --> 01:17:09.130 man, I don't know her name. 01:17:09.250 --> 01:17:13.990 She just has come up for me flipping through on TikTok, but she's a woman, 01:17:14.390 --> 01:17:15.390 fluent Chinese speaker. 01:17:16.280 --> 01:17:21.320 Her whole thing is translating people's Chinese tattoos. 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:23.520 Yes, I've seen some of this. Yes. 01:17:24.540 --> 01:17:29.140 Because people get these tattoos because they think the Chinese characters look cool or whatever. 01:17:29.400 --> 01:17:33.740 They have no idea what they say. Or something wise or something. 01:17:33.740 --> 01:17:35.320 And it says, eat at Joe's. 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.520 Yes. Or like, I am stupid. 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:41.980 I am stupid. Yeah, exactly. Like, yes, yes. 01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:48.480 You know, and it's just hilarious. Because, like, you know, they come in every once in a while. 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.260 There's one that actually makes sense. But most of the time, 01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:54.220 and of course, she doesn't pick the ones that make sense. 01:17:54.360 --> 01:17:57.720 Because why would you? Well, obviously, why? That's not the fun. Right. 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:03.000 But, like, there are lots that are just gobbledygook nonsense phrases, 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.100 which mean absolutely nothing at all. 01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:05.920 Oh, yeah. 01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:09.740 And then there are phrases that are just like, like you said, eat it, Joe's. 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:17.320 I am stupid. Like the, the, the, the butterfly is dead, you know, whatever. I don't know. 01:18:17.500 --> 01:18:21.780 Like, and it's just, it's, it's hilarious. 01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:29.900 Okay. So anyway, I guess, I guess this is the key thing to me is like, 01:18:30.630 --> 01:18:37.210 He has not shown that arc. He has not shown that he is, you know, 01:18:37.710 --> 01:18:40.950 really over this, which makes you sort of immediately suspicious. 01:18:40.950 --> 01:18:44.950 He is actually using the standard, substandard GOP playbook, 01:18:45.190 --> 01:18:48.970 which is double down and deny. That's it. 01:18:49.610 --> 01:18:53.770 Which makes you. Evade. You know, fuck this shit. I don't want that guy. 01:18:53.970 --> 01:18:56.610 Go run in the Republican primary. 01:18:56.610 --> 01:18:59.770 It makes you wonder, like, if you actually elected this guy, 01:18:59.910 --> 01:19:01.010 what would you actually get? 01:19:01.370 --> 01:19:01.910 Exactly. 01:19:02.410 --> 01:19:09.410 You know, are you getting something more like the asshole that will be happy 01:19:09.410 --> 01:19:13.470 wearing Nazi tattoos for 15 years and everything you associate with that? 01:19:13.930 --> 01:19:14.190 Probably. 01:19:14.770 --> 01:19:20.550 Or, you know, did he really, is he really like this great progressive whatever? 01:19:20.550 --> 01:19:23.510 and i feel like this is a scenario 01:19:23.510 --> 01:19:26.390 where you're highly likely to be disappointed but even more 01:19:26.390 --> 01:19:29.470 so you just don't know you can't trust him anymore 01:19:29.470 --> 01:19:32.690 you know whatever whatever ability to trust 01:19:32.690 --> 01:19:35.850 is gone and and also like now 01:19:35.850 --> 01:19:39.370 to to to tie to uh another conversation we 01:19:39.370 --> 01:19:43.950 had on the curmudgeon corner slack this week like okay 01:19:43.950 --> 01:19:47.290 he's not what you want like if he does end up winning the nomination is 01:19:47.290 --> 01:19:50.130 he still better than collins now this 01:19:50.130 --> 01:19:54.170 is a you know with collins i'm not sure at least you know what if it was him 01:19:54.170 --> 01:19:58.270 versus trump i'd probably still pick him over trump yeah but if it was him versus 01:19:58.270 --> 01:20:05.050 collins i don't know maybe probably like is it is it is it enough of a complete 01:20:05.050 --> 01:20:09.130 disqualifier do you believe his redemptive arc do you take the gamble yeah. 01:20:09.130 --> 01:20:13.450 Okay the problem is like you said it's it's the choice between like him and 01:20:13.450 --> 01:20:19.990 collins like right now and and i'm like Fuck You know I would have to I would 01:20:19.990 --> 01:20:24.450 have to fucking like swallow hard And still vote for this guy if I had to But 01:20:24.450 --> 01:20:26.130 I sure as hell wouldn't like it. 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:32.200 And, and, and, and meanwhile, like, and I don't know, see, see, here's the thing. 01:20:33.360 --> 01:20:37.540 If it's just between like him, I sat on the curmudgeon's course Slack. Okay. 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.160 At first, a few weeks ago, before all this stuff coming out, 01:20:41.240 --> 01:20:43.760 I was like, why the hell are they trying to get Mills to run? 01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:47.900 They've got this guy, people are excited about him. He's young. He's got energy. 01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:53.500 He looks like he could win. He's, you know, he's, you know, whatever. 01:20:53.820 --> 01:20:56.680 Like, why would they run Mills? This guy looks good. 01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:02.260 And so I was excited about it. As soon as all this stuff came out, I was like, okay, fine. 01:21:02.740 --> 01:21:06.840 Run the old 77-year-old Democrat with whatever. 01:21:07.180 --> 01:21:08.060 Who's a woman. 01:21:08.140 --> 01:21:10.260 Who's a popular governor. 01:21:11.180 --> 01:21:13.560 Who's a popular governor and a woman. 01:21:14.160 --> 01:21:24.040 So I would probably pick, at this point, my default would be- Right now, my default is- No. 01:21:24.040 --> 01:21:26.180 No, no, no, no, no thinking about it. 01:21:26.180 --> 01:21:30.860 The one caveat I would say about this still, I'd have to think about it, 01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:34.980 like, you know, Yvonne and I were talking on the Slack, and you guys can go 01:21:34.980 --> 01:21:38.120 look on the Slack for this if you missed it. Join the Slack if you haven't. 01:21:38.580 --> 01:21:43.860 We were talking about this in the context of Newsom and Trump, 01:21:44.120 --> 01:21:47.240 or other MAGA Republicans. 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:54.060 But if at this point, though, if there was lots of polling, and the polling 01:21:54.060 --> 01:22:00.980 showed this planter guy doing better against Collins than Mills did. 01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:02.340 Hmm. 01:22:03.260 --> 01:22:09.020 Would that change? Like, cause I, and it are mixed feelings here because there's 01:22:09.020 --> 01:22:11.320 different points in the decision-making process. 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:18.020 There's who do you actually like the most? There's whose policies do you agree with the most? 01:22:18.260 --> 01:22:23.720 And then there's the completely strategic, do you want to win and is winning 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:25.100 the only thing that matters. 01:22:28.020 --> 01:22:37.080 If a Democrat who I don't like is doing better against the Republican, 01:22:37.320 --> 01:22:44.920 do I still vote for the Democrat I don't like over the Democrat I do like because 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:46.300 they have a better chance of winning? 01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:52.040 Years ago, I would have said, of course not. You vote for the one that is most 01:22:52.040 --> 01:22:58.800 aligned with your own views and you vote for, and duh, not even a hard decision. 01:22:59.260 --> 01:23:10.460 But in the situation we're at now, where every senator matters and we're looking 01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:14.200 at the absolute destruction of everything I value in this country, 01:23:14.540 --> 01:23:16.900 do you make that choice? 01:23:18.540 --> 01:23:21.360 you know because this is the same thing by the way I. 01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:22.360 Will say listen, 01:23:23.830 --> 01:23:29.030 Honestly, this is very simple. This is going to a primary. I'm going with whomever 01:23:29.030 --> 01:23:31.330 the primary picks as the guy. 01:23:31.510 --> 01:23:34.650 Well, no, but if you were voting in the primary, who would you vote for? 01:23:34.650 --> 01:23:39.770 If I was voting in the primary, I'm still voting for Mills. Yeah. Yeah. 01:23:40.190 --> 01:23:41.810 Even if polls said Mills. 01:23:41.810 --> 01:23:47.030 I mean, unless the polls were like, I mean, like there's a 10-point difference. 01:23:47.630 --> 01:23:51.850 If the difference is like we're talking margin of error difference, I'm going with Mills. 01:23:52.130 --> 01:23:54.790 Right. But I'm doing that scenario. I'm doing it. 01:23:54.890 --> 01:23:59.610 But if it's if it's like a 10, 15 point difference, then yikes. I got it. 01:23:59.790 --> 01:24:04.910 If the polls were showing that Collins would crush Mills, but it would be competitive with this guy. 01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:09.290 I mean, that's not I haven't seen polls that say that. I'm just putting it out. 01:24:09.870 --> 01:24:13.210 That's a tough that's a tough call. But because especially because, 01:24:13.370 --> 01:24:16.510 listen, so many things change after a primary. 01:24:17.790 --> 01:24:21.950 Look, we saw that with Biden when he won the nomination back in 2020. 01:24:23.230 --> 01:24:28.310 I mean, he was behind on everything up until all of a sudden, 01:24:28.770 --> 01:24:32.930 you know, he surged and everybody consolidated around him. 01:24:33.290 --> 01:24:37.210 He was he was behind in the primary polls. I mean, one of the appeals to him 01:24:37.210 --> 01:24:42.790 was even back then in early parts, he did better against Trump in the polls than anybody else. 01:24:43.030 --> 01:24:48.270 Than anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that's one of the reasons people consolidated. 01:24:48.430 --> 01:24:54.130 But by the way, but even then, even though I saw that, I wasn't voting for him at that moment. 01:24:54.590 --> 01:24:58.450 I thought you'd already switched him because like, Kamala was already out. 01:24:58.730 --> 01:25:04.410 I think it may have been, you know, I can't remember. It may be because Kamala was already out. 01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:13.260 But my first and second choices, you know, were not him. He was really down to my third. 01:25:14.120 --> 01:25:17.400 So I went with him because he was my third choice. But it wasn't. 01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:23.360 And just to be clear, by the time we got to Florida, the race was essentially over. 01:25:23.380 --> 01:25:25.500 The race is over. Right. Exactly. 01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:28.780 And certainly by the time they got to Washington State as well. 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:34.540 Yeah. So that's the thing. I mean, I just but but that but I had not changed 01:25:34.540 --> 01:25:36.240 my mind is what I'm saying. 01:25:36.420 --> 01:25:40.260 If my candidate would have still been on the ballot, I would have still voted 01:25:40.260 --> 01:25:42.780 for them anyway, even though I knew the matchup. 01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:46.300 And because I knew that, look, even if they didn't win, I was going to vote 01:25:46.300 --> 01:25:49.320 for whomever was the winner of the fucking nomination anyway. 01:25:49.980 --> 01:25:54.260 It's not like this was, you know, I was expressing my opinion of what I who 01:25:54.260 --> 01:25:55.080 I thought should be there. 01:25:55.220 --> 01:25:58.080 But that didn't mean that I was going to vote. You know, I wasn't going to vote 01:25:58.080 --> 01:26:00.480 for them anyway when they got the nomination. 01:26:00.780 --> 01:26:04.400 The problem of that, of course, is it essentially assumes that your vote doesn't 01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:06.660 make a difference in the primary and whoever wins wins. 01:26:06.860 --> 01:26:10.840 If you were just, you know, picking them outright, you know, 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:12.220 it makes it more complicated. 01:26:12.360 --> 01:26:16.680 I mean, all I'm saying, like these these decisions get complicated in this scenario. 01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:21.960 And also to bring it back to general elections, this kind of rationale with, 01:26:22.140 --> 01:26:25.800 OK, I don't like them, but they're better than the other guy. 01:26:26.900 --> 01:26:32.480 are exactly what a lot of Trump voters said about Donald Trump. 01:26:33.140 --> 01:26:38.160 It's also the same kind of rationale of, on the other hand, saying, 01:26:38.900 --> 01:26:43.500 you know, oh, they are toxic. I can't vote for them no matter what. 01:26:43.820 --> 01:26:48.040 Right. Is what a lot of left Democrats, or what a lot of leftists, 01:26:48.200 --> 01:26:53.620 who wouldn't call themselves Democrats necessarily, their rationale for not voting for Harris. 01:26:54.240 --> 01:26:55.020 Or Hillary. 01:26:55.020 --> 01:27:02.520 Or Hillary or whatever. And it's because I'm not going to make the lesser of two evils choice. 01:27:03.260 --> 01:27:06.840 I'm going to sit back and vote third party or whatever. 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.800 Actually, I love how that becomes I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils 01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:14.340 when what you're doing is actually voting for the evils. 01:27:15.340 --> 01:27:22.320 And I'm like, you're trying to argue, no, what you're doing by not voting is voting for the evil. 01:27:22.620 --> 01:27:25.560 Period. That's what you're doing. You're just doing it passively. 01:27:26.360 --> 01:27:29.420 You know, being passive aggressive about it. But you're doing it. 01:27:30.380 --> 01:27:32.500 That ends up being the effect. Yes. 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:37.440 Yeah. So don't give me that shit that you're not voting for. You're doing it. 01:27:38.020 --> 01:27:44.000 You're giving passive acquiescence to the evil. just because you're not getting 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:46.940 everything you want like a toddler. Fuck you. 01:27:47.860 --> 01:27:51.400 So anyway, I don't know. 01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:57.460 I am anxious to see the first polls that come out after all of this stuff has 01:27:57.460 --> 01:28:02.040 come out about Planter to see if he drops and Mills goes up. 01:28:02.580 --> 01:28:10.680 My kind of expectation is that that will happen and that Mills will end up being 01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:12.380 the nominee here, not Planter. 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:18.780 But I don't know. I mean, like I've heard Sanders didn't immediately back away 01:28:18.780 --> 01:28:20.000 from this guy, for instance. 01:28:20.220 --> 01:28:25.760 He sort of was going along with, well, he's changed, he's fixing it, blah, blah, blah. 01:28:26.040 --> 01:28:29.520 You know, so I don't know. He may have some enduring support. 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:31.680 People seem to, he's charismatic. 01:28:32.420 --> 01:28:38.280 He's, you know, he talks well. People relate to him, and he is younger, 01:28:38.280 --> 01:28:40.900 so I don't know. We'll see what happens. 01:28:41.660 --> 01:28:43.480 Ah, we will know soon enough. 01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:49.660 Okay. Let's take a break, and then we'll figure out something else to talk about for a few minutes. 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:52.360 Back after this episode. 01:29:35.050 --> 01:29:38.270 You know, now I have to look at this stupid list and pick something. 01:29:39.010 --> 01:29:46.950 By the way, while we were doing this, I am traveling Monday back to San Juan for some stuff. 01:29:47.350 --> 01:29:50.810 By the way, I don't know. You didn't post anything, but I did tell you that 01:29:50.810 --> 01:29:54.510 I am getting surgery on November 5th. Okay. 01:29:54.790 --> 01:29:56.470 You mentioned the surgery before. 01:29:56.970 --> 01:30:02.670 But I did tell Sam, Sam, you know, because he gave me shit about the other day. 01:30:02.670 --> 01:30:08.390 about, yes, about, yeah, I, I, by the way, my wife, yeah, but, 01:30:08.390 --> 01:30:12.630 but it was short notice, but my wife also forgot about our fucking wedding anniversary too. 01:30:12.730 --> 01:30:15.190 Okay. I remembered before she did. Okay. 01:30:16.010 --> 01:30:21.550 So, um, so, you know, so, you know, so I, give me some fucking break. 01:30:21.650 --> 01:30:24.610 I did remember and I did get her something nice and a Rachel something, 01:30:25.030 --> 01:30:29.010 you know, uh, for, for our anniversary, but, uh, you know. 01:30:29.670 --> 01:30:34.550 I'm getting surgery on November 5th and that's on a Wednesday. 01:30:34.870 --> 01:30:40.870 And I will not be in a good position to be able to record the podcast because 01:30:40.870 --> 01:30:44.930 I know that I'm going to be recovering from the surgery. And I am staying at 01:30:44.930 --> 01:30:46.470 my brother's place in Texas because 01:30:46.470 --> 01:30:49.270 the surgeon is somebody we know in the family that lives over there. 01:30:49.410 --> 01:30:52.970 And I was like, I really would like if I'm going to get my first surgery really 01:30:52.970 --> 01:30:59.430 ever. I would like it to be done by somebody that is somebody very trusted by my family. 01:30:59.570 --> 01:31:01.010 My sister-in-law is a doctor. 01:31:01.270 --> 01:31:05.090 My brother is a pharmacist at the pharmacy hospital. I've already known this 01:31:05.090 --> 01:31:07.610 guy for a lot of time. He's operated on other people in the family. 01:31:07.870 --> 01:31:12.570 And, you know, he's been very, he actually has figured out shit that other people 01:31:12.570 --> 01:31:15.710 haven't. Okay. So I trust this guy very much. 01:31:16.050 --> 01:31:20.390 Obviously, some DEI hire that we got from Mexico, you know, I'm allowing myself 01:31:20.390 --> 01:31:23.730 to be done that. And, you know, I know. 01:31:24.410 --> 01:31:25.970 So the bottom line is. 01:31:25.990 --> 01:31:29.610 So bottom line is I can't record. I'm not I will not be able to record that 01:31:29.610 --> 01:31:32.890 weekend. So therefore, somebody should co-host with Sam. 01:31:33.090 --> 01:31:36.190 And I was going to send out my regular email a little bit later, closer. 01:31:36.450 --> 01:31:40.830 I mean, I don't like to do it like the day before, but I don't like to do it too far out either. 01:31:41.010 --> 01:31:45.870 But for those of you listening, if you are interested in co-hosting and are 01:31:45.870 --> 01:31:51.150 actually listening to this show, not just receiving a random email from me, you can email back. 01:31:51.150 --> 01:31:57.070 It's feedback at curmudgeons-corner.com and let us know you're interested. 01:31:57.450 --> 01:32:01.350 If we know you, it's probably a slam dunk. We'll try to work it out. 01:32:01.430 --> 01:32:03.350 I'll try to work it out, make a time work for you. 01:32:03.550 --> 01:32:09.170 This would probably need to be recorded either the evening of November 6th, 01:32:09.330 --> 01:32:13.170 Thursday, November 6th, or Friday, November 7th. Or... 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:19.160 earlier in the day on saturday november 8th those are the options where we usually record, 01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:22.580 let me know if if we have never heard 01:32:22.580 --> 01:32:26.160 your name before and have never heard of you we may save you for another time 01:32:26.160 --> 01:32:30.440 but we can start talking to you uh and get to know you so that we can maybe 01:32:30.440 --> 01:32:34.380 do that another time but yeah if you've been talking to us already we know you 01:32:34.380 --> 01:32:38.720 blah blah blah you've done the show before uh let us know that you're interested 01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:41.300 so one thing is that we'll get One or more if you want. 01:32:41.360 --> 01:32:44.520 We could have a whole party. We could have like five of you. 01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:46.240 Wow. 01:32:46.380 --> 01:32:47.200 Could be crazy. 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:48.640 Woo! Okay. 01:32:49.080 --> 01:32:53.680 Yeah, or you can tell me on the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack as well if you're already on there. DM me. 01:32:54.300 --> 01:32:58.160 Okay. So, as we're preparing for the Curmudgeon's Corner orgy, 01:32:58.360 --> 01:33:00.580 I mean party, whatever the heck this is going to be. 01:33:01.260 --> 01:33:04.260 Are you trying to say the next topic should be Epstein? 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:10.420 No, no, no. What I was going to say is that I just got a note I had a notice 01:33:10.420 --> 01:33:13.820 of a mistake that I just did in booking my travel. Oh, oops. 01:33:14.120 --> 01:33:17.360 That I, in my... Look, I mean... 01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:24.400 Look, in my ridiculous amount of time that I've done bookings. 01:33:24.740 --> 01:33:31.280 Did you do those like those girls did a month or so ago and go to Tunis instead of Tunis? 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:36.600 No, not something that dumb. Okay. All right. But I mean, I've made... 01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:40.420 I'm trying to remember. I think that maybe once it's a travel agent, 01:33:40.700 --> 01:33:42.260 we confused the Greensboro. 01:33:43.240 --> 01:33:43.800 Okay. 01:33:44.120 --> 01:33:48.500 Because there are more than one in the Greensboro. Okay. And I think that the 01:33:48.500 --> 01:33:51.820 person that was booking and me, we weren't sure which one they were heading to. 01:33:51.900 --> 01:33:54.560 And I think we may have sent them to the wrong one, something like that. 01:33:54.700 --> 01:33:57.620 I may have done a mistake like that in my travel agent days. 01:33:57.640 --> 01:33:59.760 Okay. But understand that I've booked. 01:34:00.740 --> 01:34:06.640 I mean, with my, listen, as a travel agent, sometimes we would issue like 20, we would do 15. 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:09.440 I'm going to say on average, we did 10 bookings a day. 01:34:09.820 --> 01:34:13.440 So if you think about it, I mean, you know, the number of bookings I would do 01:34:13.440 --> 01:34:16.880 it, it was, it's, I've done thousands, tens of thousands of bookings. 01:34:16.900 --> 01:34:19.840 bookings, okay? Rarely did I ever make a mistake, okay? 01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:23.220 Not that it didn't happen, but it happened, I'm going to guess, 01:34:23.320 --> 01:34:26.520 less than 10 times, okay, that a mistake was made. 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:30.740 But I just did a mistake in this booking that I just did, and I got on the app 01:34:30.740 --> 01:34:34.600 from the travel agency notified me, and it sent me a weird notification because 01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.600 it said, you don't have a hotel for your stay. 01:34:38.200 --> 01:34:40.560 I'm like, what the hell do you mean I don't have a hotel for my stay? 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:43.660 I know I booked a hotel for my stay. What the hell are you talking about, okay? 01:34:44.140 --> 01:34:46.720 Yeah, you're missing a hotel from your next trip to San Juan. 01:34:47.140 --> 01:34:49.540 And I'm like, but why is that? 01:34:49.820 --> 01:34:52.720 Well, here's this goofy thing I did. 01:34:53.360 --> 01:34:59.280 Traveling from Monday through Thursday, I somehow booked a hotel only from Monday through Wednesday. 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.260 Now, I don't know how the hell I was able to do that. 01:35:05.200 --> 01:35:12.260 But the app just notified me that, hey, you're missing a hotel. And I'm like, really? 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:16.200 I am? And I just went in. I fucked that up. 01:35:16.360 --> 01:35:20.400 I, well, probably the hotel, because I'm extended a stay at a hotel, 01:35:20.900 --> 01:35:23.880 you know, probably would have given me an extra night. 01:35:24.870 --> 01:35:30.930 Listen, I have been in hotels where it's happened that we've needed to do an 01:35:30.930 --> 01:35:33.510 extended stay and the hotel has been booked solid. 01:35:33.750 --> 01:35:37.370 And they're like telling me, no, sir, we're sorry, but we cannot give you an 01:35:37.370 --> 01:35:38.310 extra night. You need to check. 01:35:38.630 --> 01:35:46.250 So I just fixed it as we were talking because I, but I may, I, I, I, I'm, I'm shocked. 01:35:46.250 --> 01:35:51.410 This is, I'm telling you, about from all the bookings I've ever done, 01:35:51.630 --> 01:35:55.890 thousands, I made a mistake like this in less than 10. 01:35:56.550 --> 01:36:02.870 Okay. Good job. Oh, before I get to my actual topic, I did have one other thing to mention. 01:36:03.050 --> 01:36:07.330 Since you're talking about your surgery, I do not have another surgery coming. 01:36:07.450 --> 01:36:12.110 I did have surgery on my nose a few months ago, but my wife, Brandy. 01:36:12.250 --> 01:36:13.290 You need to get a refund. 01:36:14.630 --> 01:36:16.050 Refund on the nose surgery. Yeah. 01:36:16.050 --> 01:36:19.230 Yeah, that nose job. I mean, it looks the same. What the hell are you doing? 01:36:21.910 --> 01:36:22.350 Exactly. 01:36:22.990 --> 01:36:26.010 You know, there is this thing. I didn't share this article where apparently 01:36:26.010 --> 01:36:29.750 a whole bunch of people that work in companies like ours in tech are now, 01:36:29.750 --> 01:36:32.270 as they approach their 60s, all getting facelifts. 01:36:32.750 --> 01:36:33.750 Oh, come on. 01:36:33.970 --> 01:36:38.810 Oh, yeah. I just stumbled upon that story right now because tech is for the young. 01:36:39.010 --> 01:36:43.690 And so, therefore, they're all getting paid for plastic surgery. Yes. 01:36:44.550 --> 01:36:51.770 Okay, whatever. I'll just tell you, like, I did have the reconstructive surgery on my nose. 01:36:52.390 --> 01:36:56.590 And the intention was to make it look like it did before. And I think they did 01:36:56.590 --> 01:36:58.990 a decent job. This is a little bit of a scar if you look carefully. 01:36:59.390 --> 01:37:03.650 But, like, there was a giant hole in my fucking nose. Okay? 01:37:04.310 --> 01:37:08.150 Like, you know, it was giant. It was huge. 01:37:08.630 --> 01:37:14.650 I've got pictures, if anybody wants the pictures of the open wound before they reconstructed it. 01:37:14.650 --> 01:37:15.370 No, thanks. 01:37:15.550 --> 01:37:15.910 But... 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:22.320 Just hit me up at that feedback at curmudgeon-quarter.com if you want those pictures. 01:37:22.580 --> 01:37:24.660 Yeah, I'll send them to you directly. Don't post them on the public. 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:27.720 You know, whatever. If you're going to send a picture, DM the pictures. 01:37:27.940 --> 01:37:29.680 We don't want to. The rest of us don't want to see this shit. 01:37:30.220 --> 01:37:36.200 Yeah, there you go. No, but my wife is having surgery on Tuesday. Oh, God. Knee surgery. 01:37:37.460 --> 01:37:41.500 She injured her knee like it was actually a long time ago. 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:46.840 Like not this July 4th, but the July 4th before this July 4th. 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:53.280 So like a year and a bit ago, she was at like, we were at the fireworks celebration 01:37:53.280 --> 01:37:55.820 and she was walking back from getting snacks or whatever. 01:37:56.300 --> 01:38:00.820 And there was a, there was a hole in the pavement and she basically, 01:38:01.120 --> 01:38:02.640 her foot went in the hole. 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:08.840 She tripped, she went over, she hurt her knee and her knee's been bothering her ever since. 01:38:09.140 --> 01:38:12.760 She finally got it fully checked out about a month ago. And they were like, 01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:17.520 yeah, we should, we should fix that. There's an extra piece of like floating 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:22.280 cartilage or whatever that did something it wasn't supposed to and blah, blah, blah. 01:38:22.360 --> 01:38:24.940 And it's causing problems. We should fix that. 01:38:25.240 --> 01:38:28.260 So she's going and having that fixed on Tuesday. 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:31.840 So anyway, surgery all around. 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.120 Surgery's all around. Surgery's for everybody. Yay! 01:38:36.340 --> 01:38:36.780 Exactly. 01:38:36.780 --> 01:38:40.360 It's not like we're not Oprah. We don't hand out cars. We just hand out surgeries. Yes. 01:38:40.500 --> 01:38:41.360 Buy one, get one free. 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:46.260 Oh, God. Great. There you go. both the kind of bogos I don't like. 01:38:48.340 --> 01:38:51.720 Okay. There are a number of things that could be talked about. 01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:59.240 That I'm not going to talk about. The value of strategic pandering. 01:38:59.380 --> 01:39:01.400 That was the Newsom Trump stuff. 01:39:02.460 --> 01:39:07.140 The Virginia, how do you say her last name? Giluf, Giluf, Giluf, something. 01:39:07.740 --> 01:39:13.160 Gafoy. We should pronounce her name properly. 01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:14.640 She deserves some respect. Yes. 01:39:15.040 --> 01:39:17.520 I'm going to look that up because, yeah, she does. 01:39:17.940 --> 01:39:18.700 Okay, look it up. 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:19.820 I got to look. 01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:25.460 Anyway, while you do that, She had a book out that details a bunch of her experiences 01:39:25.460 --> 01:39:27.840 with Epstein and others. 01:39:29.160 --> 01:39:33.460 There's more about Prince Andrew in there. She mentioned some other folks. 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:35.180 Jeffrey. Jeffrey. 01:39:35.260 --> 01:39:40.220 Jeffrey. Jeffrey. Virginia Jeffrey. And so there's a bunch to talk about there. 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:44.220 Yeah, the only thing I'll mention before moving on, I guess, 01:39:44.300 --> 01:39:46.420 is the one thing that stood out 01:39:46.420 --> 01:39:51.940 for me from the clips or what people have talked about in the book so far, 01:39:52.140 --> 01:40:01.660 just besides Prince Andrew and Maxwell and the main players, 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.160 is her mention of the way these parties worked. 01:40:05.420 --> 01:40:13.100 All of these other rich and famous people, they may not have directly interacted 01:40:13.100 --> 01:40:19.420 with the girls. Some of them did, but they were, it was open. 01:40:20.420 --> 01:40:23.240 They had to be aware that something was happening. 01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:30.260 Not just aware, watching. They had these like, these things would be happening 01:40:30.260 --> 01:40:34.520 in the middle of a living room or whatever with the party going on around them. 01:40:35.390 --> 01:40:42.110 So like, you know, if, if you were an attendee, you saw what was happening. 01:40:42.350 --> 01:40:46.890 It wasn't just plausible deniability. You knew exactly what was happening, 01:40:47.270 --> 01:40:56.610 which, you know, even if you didn't partake, makes you culpable for not doing 01:40:56.610 --> 01:40:59.130 anything about it at the very least, 01:40:59.510 --> 01:41:02.950 you know, or, or even for staying for not 01:41:02.950 --> 01:41:07.710 walking away like you know anyway that 01:41:07.710 --> 01:41:10.670 was that was one thing i noted which to me like 01:41:10.670 --> 01:41:16.830 vastly expands the group of people who are probably very right to be afraid 01:41:16.830 --> 01:41:25.810 of the epstein files you know anyway moving on we we we have the trump giving 01:41:25.810 --> 01:41:28.730 himself money from the doj I mean. 01:41:28.910 --> 01:41:38.450 Like I mentioned, we have moved on from the kind of like indirect payment of, hey... 01:41:39.550 --> 01:41:43.410 By, you know, oh, we're staying at my hotel during an official trip. 01:41:43.410 --> 01:41:49.590 We're doing the G7 meeting at my hotel and we're paying, you know, 01:41:49.710 --> 01:41:56.190 we're sending payments straight into the I am just going to have the Treasury send me money. 01:41:56.430 --> 01:41:57.030 Yes. 01:41:57.190 --> 01:41:58.710 Phase of this grift. 01:41:58.710 --> 01:42:04.550 And so specifically the way this worked out, before his second term started 01:42:04.550 --> 01:42:09.830 in sort of the interim time period, Trump had filed various motions. 01:42:09.830 --> 01:42:13.570 It wasn't a lawsuit yet, although he said it was at one point he was wrong. 01:42:13.570 --> 01:42:22.710 He filed a thing basically saying, I deserve compensation for the improper prosecutions 01:42:22.710 --> 01:42:24.130 you have done against me, 01:42:24.430 --> 01:42:31.950 both for the Russia stuff during the Mueller investigation and for the raid of Mar-a-Lago. 01:42:33.490 --> 01:42:38.530 And basically, bottom line is, once he becomes president, it's his administration 01:42:38.530 --> 01:42:41.150 that gets to decide what to do about those complaints. 01:42:41.690 --> 01:42:45.710 Right. And it's his appointees. By the way, it's his attorneys. 01:42:46.730 --> 01:42:51.410 It's his attorneys who are on the opposite side of those cases when they were 01:42:51.410 --> 01:42:56.070 happening, who now are in positions where they get to decide whether or not 01:42:56.070 --> 01:42:58.590 to give him $230 million in compensation. 01:42:59.450 --> 01:43:03.310 And he made it clear from his comments as well that it's not really his appointees 01:43:03.310 --> 01:43:04.990 choice anyway. It's his decision. 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.020 He will make the decision of how much money to give himself. 01:43:10.240 --> 01:43:13.280 Which, Sam, but he said he's going to give it to charity. 01:43:13.660 --> 01:43:15.980 Oh, yes. Just like all the other charities. 01:43:16.300 --> 01:43:20.220 Just all the charitable donations that he has given over the years. Of course. Yes. 01:43:20.860 --> 01:43:26.300 Right. Okay. Lightning rounding again. Instead of, like, picking one of these first. 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:29.860 We got Bannon talking about Trump 2028 again. 01:43:30.500 --> 01:43:35.060 He has made mentions of this before. You know, when the clip was going around 01:43:35.060 --> 01:43:37.000 this week, I'm like, hasn't he said this stuff before? 01:43:37.220 --> 01:43:41.060 Yes, he has said this stuff before, but he said it again this week and was in 01:43:41.060 --> 01:43:43.380 the news for it. Basically saying, you know. 01:43:43.500 --> 01:43:45.780 Someone asked him- Flat out that Trump is getting a third term. 01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:49.040 Trump is going to run again and Trump will get a third term. 01:43:49.220 --> 01:43:51.900 And somebody asked, what about the 22nd Amendment? He's like, 01:43:51.940 --> 01:43:52.900 we've got ways around that. 01:43:53.340 --> 01:43:55.660 He didn't specify, but we've got ways around that. 01:43:56.540 --> 01:44:01.120 And there are a number that people have talked about. Yeah, there's the trick 01:44:01.120 --> 01:44:06.980 of Trump runs as VP, and then as soon as they're sworn in on January 20th, 01:44:07.500 --> 01:44:11.920 Vance or whoever immediately resigns, and he becomes president again that way. 01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:15.580 Of course. One of the things about that is because—, 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:19.540 People in that circle are so traitors, right? 01:44:20.120 --> 01:44:25.920 Hell, if I'm, honestly, if I'm Vance, I don't want to let go of power. Fuck that. 01:44:26.860 --> 01:44:29.220 I'm probably taking him and sending him to jail. 01:44:29.700 --> 01:44:32.640 Well, you know, Trump could just shoot him at that point on Fifth Avenue. 01:44:33.260 --> 01:44:35.960 Well, actually, Vance could shoot him and he's immune. 01:44:36.300 --> 01:44:40.000 Well, he could do that now. But I'm saying once we had that scenario where Vance 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:41.420 was trying to stay in power. 01:44:42.200 --> 01:44:45.540 Right, what I say, but Vance could shoot him and he's immune. 01:44:46.420 --> 01:44:48.780 He could do that now oh. 01:44:48.780 --> 01:44:50.160 That's right and he'd be president. 01:44:50.160 --> 01:44:53.220 Right yeah we we've talked 01:44:53.220 --> 01:44:59.420 about this before like there's there's no there's no like way around this like 01:44:59.420 --> 01:45:04.800 you know because at that point you can't it would take a long time to impeach 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:09.440 right you can't invoke the 22nd amendment at that point because you don't have 01:45:09.440 --> 01:45:12.460 a vice president and you need vice president plus half the cabinet Right. 01:45:13.120 --> 01:45:17.380 You know, so, you know, a coup here is completely legal. 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:24.860 Also, by the way, since if it happens in D.C., then the federal pardon power applies. 01:45:25.260 --> 01:45:25.740 Right. 01:45:25.860 --> 01:45:28.340 Because normally murder is a state crime. 01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:32.060 But in D.C., right, it's a federal crime. 01:45:32.200 --> 01:45:37.420 So the vice president at any time can shoot the president, take power, 01:45:37.580 --> 01:45:39.460 pardon himself, and he's free and clear. 01:45:40.830 --> 01:45:45.950 You know, there are a few holes in our constitutional system as it currently is. 01:45:46.110 --> 01:45:52.350 30 years ago, if you had told me that we'd be having these discussions as plausible, 01:45:52.810 --> 01:45:59.190 as truly plausible things, I would have told you you're completely out of your mind. 01:45:59.730 --> 01:46:06.050 I don't think Vance is lining up to shoot Trump. I think Vance is much more 01:46:06.050 --> 01:46:07.610 a smothering with a pillow type. 01:46:08.190 --> 01:46:09.410 Fair. Yeah. 01:46:09.530 --> 01:46:09.690 Yeah. 01:46:09.930 --> 01:46:13.090 That's a good point. Yeah. Died in his sleep. Oh, well. 01:46:13.710 --> 01:46:20.130 Exactly. So anyway, yeah. So corruption run rampant. 01:46:21.210 --> 01:46:27.610 2028. Oh, another another theory of the case is basically just the make them 01:46:27.610 --> 01:46:29.930 stop you. Just run anyway. 01:46:30.510 --> 01:46:35.110 Run it through the courts. I mentioned and again on the curmudgeon corner slack, 01:46:35.170 --> 01:46:36.890 Yvonne and I went back and forth on this a little bit. 01:46:36.890 --> 01:46:42.290 The same kind of theory that the Supreme Court used on saying that you couldn't 01:46:42.290 --> 01:46:47.330 disqualify the president for being an insurrectionist could potentially be expanded 01:46:47.330 --> 01:46:49.930 further to basically say, well, 01:46:50.270 --> 01:46:54.790 the states can't really determine eligibility at all, and that has to be determined 01:46:54.790 --> 01:46:56.210 on January 6th by the Congress. 01:46:56.890 --> 01:47:00.150 There are all kinds of things. There are all kinds of ways you could do this. 01:47:00.550 --> 01:47:04.850 And none of them are like legit or normal. 01:47:05.270 --> 01:47:07.410 But we're not living in that world anymore. 01:47:07.410 --> 01:47:08.730 We're not living in that world anymore. 01:47:09.530 --> 01:47:15.490 We're living in the world where Donald Trump will just try whatever he wants and make them stop him. 01:47:15.790 --> 01:47:18.830 You know, and we're going to talk about my last thing is going to be, 01:47:18.930 --> 01:47:21.630 of course, the White House, which is another example of that. 01:47:21.970 --> 01:47:27.410 But even on more minor things, he's determining that he's going to pay the military 01:47:27.410 --> 01:47:30.730 through means that are not legal. 01:47:31.550 --> 01:47:36.430 He's taking all kinds of things. He's moving money around during the shutdown 01:47:36.430 --> 01:47:40.670 that is not authorized in any way, shape or form and basically says, well, stop me. 01:47:41.150 --> 01:47:45.630 And the thing is, you know, who's going to sue him? There's a question of who has standing. 01:47:45.890 --> 01:47:49.590 And if the Democrats try to go after him for it, like, wait, 01:47:49.710 --> 01:47:52.270 wait, you're paying the military. You shouldn't pay the military. 01:47:52.450 --> 01:47:53.290 You don't have authorization. 01:47:53.570 --> 01:47:55.910 It's a bad political, you know. 01:47:56.030 --> 01:47:56.110 Yeah. 01:47:56.890 --> 01:47:57.690 So they're not going to. 01:47:58.050 --> 01:48:01.290 OK. By the way, one great thing. You're going to talk about the ballroom. 01:48:01.290 --> 01:48:03.490 And this came up on our Slack today. 01:48:03.770 --> 01:48:08.890 And I realized there may be a silver lining to this right now. I just realized. Okay. 01:48:10.010 --> 01:48:16.190 They didn't have time to do a proper asbestos or lead mitigation whatsoever. 01:48:16.190 --> 01:48:18.610 Because that would take a long time to do. 01:48:19.190 --> 01:48:22.290 I hope all these fuckers get sick and die. 01:48:22.670 --> 01:48:27.710 Like right now, which is very likely that they will, given that they just went 01:48:27.710 --> 01:48:29.710 and exposed themselves to all of that. 01:48:29.710 --> 01:48:35.970 For a construction like this, usually, to go through that and mitigate all of 01:48:35.970 --> 01:48:38.490 that shit literally takes years. 01:48:39.270 --> 01:48:42.670 to properly do that. And they did not do that. 01:48:43.310 --> 01:48:50.870 And I hope to fucking hell they get all of them die of some serious fucking 01:48:50.870 --> 01:48:53.050 disease from that fucking demolition. 01:48:53.490 --> 01:48:57.450 Now, of course, the person who got the most dose is probably that poor schlub 01:48:57.450 --> 01:48:59.870 driving the backhoe or whatever it was. 01:48:59.970 --> 01:49:04.130 Hey, you know what? Fuck him too. Because if they went and they sent me on that 01:49:04.130 --> 01:49:07.670 job, you know what I would have done? I would have quit on the fucking spot. 01:49:09.080 --> 01:49:13.120 I'm sorry. It's not like those jobs are scarce. 01:49:14.080 --> 01:49:18.620 That is a job that actually is one of those jobs that we keep saying we have trouble filling. 01:49:19.300 --> 01:49:23.380 And so if somebody went and told me, oh, just take that backhoe and knock down 01:49:23.380 --> 01:49:25.620 the fucking White House, I would have said, fuck this shit, I quit. 01:49:26.260 --> 01:49:29.060 Or no, make me, fire me, so I can get my unemployment. 01:49:29.580 --> 01:49:29.980 Right. 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:35.060 So if that guy did it, that guy was okay with it. He gets exposed to it, 01:49:35.300 --> 01:49:37.000 fuck you, you did it on your own. 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:44.660 So anyway, this is another example of, you know, I saw a number of people post 01:49:44.660 --> 01:49:48.740 detailed rundowns of applicable laws and such. 01:49:49.340 --> 01:49:57.160 there are most of it seems to be as with so much that we have discovered over the years, 01:49:58.520 --> 01:50:05.620 that there are all kinds of norms about what should have happened here but there 01:50:05.620 --> 01:50:11.320 are very few laws and when there are laws there are no teeth to those laws and so because. 01:50:11.320 --> 01:50:13.100 We expect the people to respect the law. 01:50:13.100 --> 01:50:17.280 Especially the president and in some cases there are laws specifically about 01:50:17.280 --> 01:50:21.760 preservation of federal buildings, guess what? White House exempted. 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:26.740 Like specifically written out of the law as this doesn't apply to the White House. 01:50:28.580 --> 01:50:32.080 And this is the kind of thing where, you know, the Trump folks have been pointing 01:50:32.080 --> 01:50:35.660 out over and over again, oh, there have been lots of renovations to the White House. 01:50:36.040 --> 01:50:41.120 Hell, the East Wing itself was a renovation to the White House in like 1901 01:50:41.120 --> 01:50:42.200 or something. It was added. 01:50:42.340 --> 01:50:46.500 I thought it was, was it Teddy Roosevelt or FDR? 01:50:48.020 --> 01:50:49.300 For the east wing. 01:50:49.300 --> 01:50:50.880 Yeah 1901. 01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:52.020 Would be Teddy right. 01:50:52.020 --> 01:50:53.500 And definitely. 01:50:53.500 --> 01:50:55.100 Not FDR I'm just. 01:50:55.100 --> 01:51:00.280 I mean that was okay so I thought it was I thought okay but she's. 01:51:01.030 --> 01:51:03.950 McKinley was president in 1901. 01:51:04.230 --> 01:51:04.890 Yeah, but I thought... 01:51:05.390 --> 01:51:10.690 And then the first Roosevelt took over right after that. 01:51:11.250 --> 01:51:15.490 No, it was expanded in 1942. That's what I said. I knew that Roosevelt had done something. 01:51:15.610 --> 01:51:19.150 But it was expanded. Truman did a major renovation. Truman gutted the entire 01:51:19.150 --> 01:51:21.450 White House because it was falling apart. 01:51:21.610 --> 01:51:22.490 Well, it was falling apart. 01:51:22.590 --> 01:51:26.790 He preserved the exterior and redid the entire interior of the White House. 01:51:26.790 --> 01:51:29.050 I mean, it was falling apart. There were various expansions. 01:51:29.790 --> 01:51:33.170 There are various things that have happened. And, you know, and people point 01:51:33.170 --> 01:51:36.450 out, you know, Obama added a basketball court and blah, blah, blah. 01:51:36.690 --> 01:51:40.930 Obama didn't add a basketball court. Obama converted the tennis court to basketball. 01:51:40.930 --> 01:51:41.830 To a basketball court, yes. 01:51:41.830 --> 01:51:45.930 Okay, so there wasn't a construction of a new court. They just repainted some 01:51:45.930 --> 01:51:48.550 lines and added a couple of basketball hoops. 01:51:48.650 --> 01:51:50.330 Not exactly really, like, you 01:51:50.330 --> 01:51:54.910 know, which could have been easily turned back to what the hell it was. 01:51:54.910 --> 01:52:00.190 Anyway, the point is all of those, all of those actually did go through a process. 01:52:00.810 --> 01:52:04.630 Well, the one that they were saying about Obama, the $393 million, 01:52:04.770 --> 01:52:08.770 because I remember that one very much, was a lot of the systems in the White 01:52:08.770 --> 01:52:13.170 House, the boilers, the ACs, everything, electrical, were ancient, okay? 01:52:13.170 --> 01:52:15.950 The AC systems didn't work. 01:52:16.130 --> 01:52:18.670 Everything was old and falling apart. 01:52:18.870 --> 01:52:23.030 And through an appropriation through Congress or process, money was approved 01:52:23.030 --> 01:52:28.030 in order to fix all this shit that in many cases was dated back to fucking, 01:52:28.030 --> 01:52:30.530 you know, FDR and before. 01:52:30.990 --> 01:52:31.550 Right. 01:52:32.430 --> 01:52:38.150 Anyway, the point is, everything previous did go through some sort of process. 01:52:38.370 --> 01:52:41.930 There was a proposal. It was examined. There was an appropriation. 01:52:42.050 --> 01:52:43.610 There was an appropriation. 01:52:43.770 --> 01:52:49.630 There was a this. There was a that. And there was a long, detailed process where 01:52:49.630 --> 01:52:56.530 whatever changes were being proposed were approved by multiple people in multiple places. 01:52:56.850 --> 01:52:59.710 It wasn't a unilateral decision. 01:53:00.810 --> 01:53:04.210 in this case no no it's is 01:53:04.210 --> 01:53:07.270 it's just go and also apparently 01:53:07.270 --> 01:53:10.130 there is one law like they are 01:53:10.130 --> 01:53:14.650 touting over and over again how this is privately funded the the taxpayer won't 01:53:14.650 --> 01:53:20.310 pay a dime right apparently there is a law from the late 1800s that specifically 01:53:20.310 --> 01:53:25.830 prohibits private funds going to maintenance and construction of public buildings 01:53:25.830 --> 01:53:29.610 it has to come through the congressional appropriation process. 01:53:29.910 --> 01:53:31.870 Yeah, and there is a reason for that, by the way. 01:53:32.190 --> 01:53:32.610 Yeah. 01:53:33.970 --> 01:53:35.910 A very good fucking reason. 01:53:36.610 --> 01:53:40.910 And so, as is his approach with everything, Donald Trump is like, 01:53:41.030 --> 01:53:43.990 just do it, and then we'll deal with it. 01:53:44.450 --> 01:53:50.010 I mean, I was going to say, make him stop me. In this case, there's no make me stop me. It's done. 01:53:50.510 --> 01:53:54.890 By the time we're recording this, the entire East Wind of the White House is gone. 01:53:55.510 --> 01:54:01.170 You know? And apparently the remnants are now being buried in some golf course somewhere. 01:54:02.220 --> 01:54:11.120 You know, no consideration of, you know, historic faithfulness, whatever. 01:54:11.540 --> 01:54:17.300 No process. The funding is apparently illegal and is just being used as a yet 01:54:17.300 --> 01:54:19.540 another mechanism to bribe this administration. 01:54:21.180 --> 01:54:24.800 It was really sad watching this, you know. 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:32.140 It was awful. I had a terrible week with this thing. look and and it's and it's 01:54:32.140 --> 01:54:33.640 not because it's a building. 01:54:33.640 --> 01:54:35.700 Right it's. 01:54:35.700 --> 01:54:39.420 Not because it's the it's the building because buildings get renovated things 01:54:39.420 --> 01:54:40.740 sometimes happen you know. 01:54:40.740 --> 01:54:44.520 I i mean people have pointed out by the way that there have been serious proposals 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:47.280 for building some sort of, 01:54:48.260 --> 01:54:50.840 ballroom type area to hold bigger 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:56.720 events and even even even potentially renovating the east wing to do it. 01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:01.620 Now, most of, if not all of these proposals were, you change the interior, 01:55:01.900 --> 01:55:06.000 you leave the exterior alone, and we're nowhere near as massive as this. 01:55:06.100 --> 01:55:09.640 But there were some serious proposals that were being talked about because there 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:13.320 is some need there, but not like this. 01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:17.980 It's just, it's not like this. And by the way, speaking of the whole asbestos 01:55:17.980 --> 01:55:22.640 mitigation and stuff, there is an organization called the Asbestos Seas Awareness Organization, 01:55:22.900 --> 01:55:28.960 okay, which literally posted a story specifically about this in their webpage. 01:55:29.340 --> 01:55:34.100 And they are talking about specifically about how that building, 01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:38.880 okay, the East Wing is more than 100 years old with portions constructed initially 01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:46.060 in 1902, later additions in 1942, at the height of our nation's use of toxic 01:55:46.060 --> 01:55:48.880 ambestos in our construction. Okay? 01:55:49.780 --> 01:55:51.520 That there is no way, 01:55:52.620 --> 01:56:00.100 They properly did anything to mitigate that when they demolished that. There was no time. 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:07.340 Yeah, and they probably did some of the encasing the asbestos stuff that was 01:56:07.340 --> 01:56:09.680 going on a lot in the 70s and 80s. 01:56:09.780 --> 01:56:12.300 But when you demolish it, it undoes all that. 01:56:12.860 --> 01:56:16.280 Exactly. Exactly. You undo all of that, 01:56:16.380 --> 01:56:21.180 which is why if you're going to fucking demolish it, 01:56:21.180 --> 01:56:28.820 It takes a process, a very painstaking process of first going in and removing 01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:35.200 all of that before you go and demolish the fucking building. 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:39.100 Yes. And, you know. 01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:48.580 So right now I can tell you flat out, people will get sick and die from that demolition as well. 01:56:50.200 --> 01:56:55.960 Ah so and and this brings another one of those issues where like you know can 01:56:55.960 --> 01:57:01.900 can the democratic candidate please actually directly campaign on you know we'll 01:57:01.900 --> 01:57:05.840 tear down whatever the fuck he builds and oh fuck yeah i want that. 01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:11.640 Fucking thing like i i swear to god that my i i would like for explosive charges 01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:14.440 to be placed at it and just imploded as soon as possible. 01:57:15.450 --> 01:57:20.710 You know, well, and here's the thing, you know, aside from everything else, 01:57:20.790 --> 01:57:23.810 because like I was thinking about that and like, you know, actually, 01:57:24.110 --> 01:57:27.590 it is unlikely that a future president will do that. 01:57:27.750 --> 01:57:31.030 They will use the space because it's actually useful, blah, blah, blah. 01:57:31.190 --> 01:57:36.590 But then I also remember this is Donald Trump building it. It's going to be a piece of shit. 01:57:36.590 --> 01:57:39.530 Is going to be shit, which is what I, what, what, what, what, 01:57:39.550 --> 01:57:42.370 one of my friends that's been in construction for 30 years, okay, 01:57:42.490 --> 01:57:46.690 basically said that there is no way that they're going to build something that 01:57:46.690 --> 01:57:49.850 isn't a piece of shit in the rush timeline they are doing this. 01:57:50.710 --> 01:57:54.850 Yes. And, you know, and of course the grift angle is here too. 01:57:54.970 --> 01:58:00.130 They're going to be siphoning money off that 300, you know, so it's not all, 01:58:00.290 --> 01:58:05.370 they're going to be like, oh, let's get the cheapest possible materials we can 01:58:05.370 --> 01:58:08.410 get. Let's cut every quarter we can possibly get. 01:58:08.830 --> 01:58:12.910 Listen, let's get the cheapest possible materials that we can get, 01:58:13.110 --> 01:58:18.950 but let's gold plate them so they look like something expensive, 01:58:18.950 --> 01:58:21.670 which is exactly the Trump style. 01:58:21.850 --> 01:58:25.610 Oh, but also the cheapest in terms of quality. 01:58:25.850 --> 01:58:26.290 Right. 01:58:26.410 --> 01:58:28.770 But pay full price for it to your friends. 01:58:29.490 --> 01:58:30.090 To your friends. 01:58:30.130 --> 01:58:30.870 Who will pocket the difference. 01:58:30.870 --> 01:58:36.650 Who will, by the way, you know, go and send back part of it to myself. 01:58:37.650 --> 01:58:44.530 Absolutely. There's no question in my mind that that will all be happening. Okay. 01:58:44.870 --> 01:58:45.870 Happy times, Sam. 01:58:46.350 --> 01:58:50.630 Happy times. Happy times are here again. Like, blah, blah, blah. 01:58:53.890 --> 01:58:59.430 Okay. 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Woman trying to kill cockroach set South Korea apartment block ablaze. 02:02:30.260 --> 02:02:30.780 Oh, no. 02:02:31.940 --> 02:02:38.440 You know, a neighbor died after falling to the ground in a failed escape attempt, okay? 02:02:39.500 --> 02:02:44.440 To escape through a window, this lady for some reason had thought that the best 02:02:44.440 --> 02:02:47.280 method to try to kill a cockroach, instead of stomping on it, 02:02:47.500 --> 02:02:51.240 was to use, if I remember correctly, a can of, like, 02:02:51.960 --> 02:02:57.280 flammable spray and a lighter, okay, to try to kill the cockroach, okay? 02:02:57.580 --> 02:03:04.000 Apparently, she had used that method before, but on Monday, items in her home caught fire, okay? 02:03:04.320 --> 02:03:10.180 And so, you know, for whatever reason, apparently on social media. 02:03:10.820 --> 02:03:15.400 Blasting cockroaches with blow-tortures or homemade flamethrowers has emerged 02:03:15.400 --> 02:03:20.320 as a novel way of getting rid of house pests made popular by videos on social media. Look, 02:03:21.270 --> 02:03:26.430 Can I just say, and unfortunately that this led to, this would have been really 02:03:26.430 --> 02:03:32.790 more, this would have been funny if somebody didn't die from setting the fucking building ablaze. 02:03:33.030 --> 02:03:38.690 Right. Look, if you want to kill a fucking pest, just stomp on it. Damn it. 02:03:39.270 --> 02:03:43.270 You know, and in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, 02:03:43.470 --> 02:03:44.990 the cockroach survived. 02:03:45.150 --> 02:03:48.530 Survived. Yes. Probably. 02:03:49.070 --> 02:03:53.190 Yes. yet just generally as 02:03:53.190 --> 02:03:56.890 a ongoing theme i like 02:03:56.890 --> 02:04:01.970 to avoid fire yes like like yeah there are a few places where it's necessary 02:04:01.970 --> 02:04:08.070 yeah but like just just as one example once upon a time when we were younger 02:04:08.070 --> 02:04:15.050 having candles in the house was commonplace fuck for one thing or another, 02:04:16.190 --> 02:04:19.210 and and like it before us people 02:04:19.210 --> 02:04:22.990 even used candles on their damn christmas trees and stuff like that that's true 02:04:22.990 --> 02:04:27.810 you know before the little electric lights but like people still when we were 02:04:27.810 --> 02:04:31.670 young candles were commonplace people had candles used as decorations i guess 02:04:31.670 --> 02:04:36.250 some people still do but i know at this point like and also as a backup you 02:04:36.250 --> 02:04:38.230 know the power goes out have some candles Right. 02:04:38.650 --> 02:04:43.750 At this point, all my backup light stuff is still electrical. 02:04:44.290 --> 02:04:49.510 You know, I've got I've got flashlights. I've got little lanterns that are battery powered. 02:04:50.150 --> 02:04:52.990 Even when you want like little decorative tea lights or whatever, 02:04:53.130 --> 02:04:56.010 you've got like battery powered ones. You don't need open flame. 02:04:56.710 --> 02:04:59.550 I mean, I will admit I have some in my house. 02:04:59.670 --> 02:05:03.930 My wife likes to have some candles that furlough, some aromas or whatever. 02:05:03.930 --> 02:05:08.350 But they are in containers that even if you let, I mean, even if you forget 02:05:08.350 --> 02:05:11.250 the candle lit, nothing's going to happen. Okay. 02:05:11.550 --> 02:05:15.410 They're in a safe, like, you know, uh, uh, uh. 02:05:16.270 --> 02:05:22.010 container and limited location, okay, in order to, you know, 02:05:22.170 --> 02:05:23.690 avoid such kind of things. 02:05:23.810 --> 02:05:26.230 But it's not like I have a lot of them. There's like, you know, 02:05:26.410 --> 02:05:29.530 it's just, but that's about the only thing that we use it for. 02:05:29.530 --> 02:05:33.590 I get the appeal, they're somewhat cool sometimes, and, you know, 02:05:33.850 --> 02:05:37.990 and people like fireplaces too sometimes, 02:05:38.330 --> 02:05:43.170 but, you know, like, I remember a story, like, when I was researching my genealogy 02:05:43.170 --> 02:05:44.550 stuff a number of years ago. 02:05:45.030 --> 02:05:50.390 I think I may have mentioned this on the show once before, but I forget which ancestor this was. 02:05:50.510 --> 02:05:54.210 This was back a number of generations in the mid 1800s sometime, 02:05:54.590 --> 02:05:56.510 maybe even earlier, might've been 1700s. 02:05:56.630 --> 02:06:04.390 But anyway, they had a fireplace and it was like, I forget, like three or four kids plus the parents, 02:06:05.390 --> 02:06:10.190 little girl, like three or four years old, her dress caught fire off the fireplace 02:06:10.190 --> 02:06:11.710 because she got too close for it, 02:06:11.710 --> 02:06:14.650 went up like a candle ran around the 02:06:14.650 --> 02:06:17.330 house as she was dying set everything else on the 02:06:17.330 --> 02:06:20.510 fire on fire basically the family 02:06:20.510 --> 02:06:24.910 of five there was like one survivor or something everybody else died the house 02:06:24.910 --> 02:06:31.930 was gone like you know and it's like this kind of stuff happened all the time 02:06:31.930 --> 02:06:37.910 because people had open flames everywhere you know we used to have that in. 02:06:37.910 --> 02:06:41.790 Puerto rico our houses are made of cement and there was like the lady that used 02:06:41.790 --> 02:06:47.190 to take care of us she set two of our kitchens on fire, 02:06:47.960 --> 02:06:51.780 However, however, the house is made out of cement. 02:06:52.060 --> 02:06:59.280 The fire was contained to the kitchen. The whole the whole house on in neither 02:06:59.280 --> 02:07:02.600 case did not go up, which would have been normal here in the U.S. 02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:06.840 if the kind of fire that we had would have would have set a house here in the 02:07:06.840 --> 02:07:08.460 U.S. 100 percent on fire. 02:07:09.080 --> 02:07:14.700 But because thankfully we like to use reinforced concrete, the fire was absolutely 02:07:14.700 --> 02:07:18.000 contained just simply to the kitchen. and therefore we didn't do that. 02:07:18.100 --> 02:07:19.400 But it was scary, regardless. 02:07:19.720 --> 02:07:22.520 Okay, you know, we had those happen. 02:07:22.740 --> 02:07:29.160 So, yeah. Okay, anyway, reduce open flames to the bare necessities. That's my advice. 02:07:29.460 --> 02:07:29.980 All right. 02:07:30.100 --> 02:07:34.460 Everybody. Okay, we're done here. 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