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<v Sam>Okay, we'll get started. Are we ready to get started, Yvonne?

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<v Ivan>Sure.

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<v Sam>Here we go.

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<v Sam>welcome to curmudgeon's corner for friday october 10th 2025.

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<v Sam>It's just after 2 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Menter and Yvonne

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<v Sam>Boas here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello everybody. Hello.

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<v Sam>Indeed.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Hello and hi.

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<v Ivan>Sam, let me tell you something.

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<v Sam>Oh no, we're starting out good.

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<v Ivan>I mean, there have been times you've been loud wrong. And I just went over the

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<v Ivan>recording of how loud wrong you were.

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<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait. Did you find the timestamp?

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<v Ivan>Yes, I have it. I can play it.

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<v Ivan>Yes. And I can play just how absolutely, ridiculously loud wrong you were.

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<v Ivan>And not just, no, wait, wait, wait. But before you say it, and not just that,

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<v Ivan>but how absolutely right I was.

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<v Ivan>And I told you you were full of shit before I said it, and you're talking out of your ass.

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<v Ivan>and told you flat out exactly what actually played out and how you told me,

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<v Ivan>oh, no, you're wrong. It's going to be that way.

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<v Ivan>The tech companies know what they're doing.

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<v Ivan>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Sam, damn it.

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<v Ivan>Holy shit, were you loud wrong?

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<v Sam>Let's give the context here. So on October 9th, 2015, so 10 years and a day

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<v Sam>ago, we recorded an episode.

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<v Sam>It was episode 435 of this podcast, which I titled Check Us in 2025.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Yvonne and I got into a discussion on self-driving cars.

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<v Sam>And I gave a very optimistic assessment, basically the bottom line being,

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<v Sam>well, I was going to try to pull this audio, but I didn't have time. But Yvonne has it.

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<v Ivan>I have it.

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<v Sam>Yvonne's going to play it, and then I will edit in a higher quality version of it when we're done.

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<v Sam>But Yvonne, why don't you go ahead and play the appropriate clip from this show

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<v Sam>from 10 years and a day ago, and then we can discuss just how wrong I was.

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<v Ivan>Now, hold on one sec.

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<v Sam>I will say that I realized fully, and we even discussed on the show,

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<v Sam>that I was going to be wrong about this like five years ago.

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<v Sam>Like, it did not take the whole 10 years. Because we remembered,

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<v Sam>like, Yvonne put a reminder on his phone for 10 years in the future.

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<v Ivan>On our calendar, I sent you an invite. Was it still on your calendar?

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<v Sam>Let's see if it was still on my calendar.

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<v Ivan>Because I saw my calendar. If you see the picture, it said that I sent you an in-play for it.

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<v Sam>Yes, I have it on my calendar. I never open my Apple calendar anymore, but it's right there.

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<v Ivan>So it is right there.

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<v Sam>It is right there.

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<v Ivan>I literally did set a reminder 10 years in the future.

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<v Ivan>And the funniest thing about this is that all of a sudden, I see this thing on the calendar.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, what the hell is my wife doing? What is this self-driving car

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<v Ivan>thing? What are you talking about?

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, honey, what is it? I'm like, nah, it's not mine.

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<v Ivan>And then I read it, and then I started remembering.

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<v Ivan>And I said to Sam, I'm like, wait, I'm guessing this is a prediction we made 10 years ago.

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<v Sam>Yes, it was.

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<v Ivan>And it was set as a reminder. It worked.

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<v Sam>Yes. Well, I guess technically you set it as an appointment on your calendar, not a reminder.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. I set it as an appointment on the calendar. Yes.

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<v Sam>Very good.

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<v Ivan>And lo and behold, it worked. We remembered.

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<v Sam>And tell me and the audience what the time stamp is in that show from 10 years ago.

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<v Ivan>I believe it's somewhere. It's around a minute, an hour, 35 minute mark.

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<v Ivan>I got to around the time of the prediction, which is somewhere around a minute,

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<v Ivan>an hour, 39 minutes and 30 seconds.

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<v Ivan>I will. Here, hold on. I'm trying to scroll through this thing. Oh, come on.

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<v Ivan>Here we go. Oh, 139.

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<v Ivan>Okay, so here, let me see. Let's

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<v Ivan>see if the audio will play here so we can listen. There we go. Let's see.

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<v Break>Tooddly-doo, tooddly-doo, tooddly-doo.

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<v 2015 Ivan>You say you want to sit there and not worry about it.

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<v 2015 Sam>The Google cars are already 100% autonomous.

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<v 2015 Ivan>They're 100% autonomous and they still say, well, you still may have to watch

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<v 2015 Ivan>because there may be situations where you may have to take over.

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<v 2015 Sam>No, no. They are only doing that for legal reasons right now.

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<v 2015 Sam>They're not because they have to. And they're still working on it.

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<v 2015 Sam>This is what I'm saying. The traditional car companies are coming at it from

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<v 2015 Sam>the approach you're saying.

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<v 2015 Sam>Google and the tech companies are coming from it from the opposite approach.

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<v 2015 Ivan>They're saying right now that Google's overpromising what they can deliver on that.

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<v 2015 Sam>Maybe this is.

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<v 2015 Ivan>What I'm telling you right now. Google's overpromising what they can deliver

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<v 2015 Ivan>on that right now. They're talking out of their ass.

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<v 2015 Sam>I think what's going to happen, my predictions.

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<v 2015 Ivan>I really think that they're way overpromising.

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<v 2015 Sam>My prediction is the companies that are coming at it from the Google approach.

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<v 2015 Sam>And I don't know if it's going to be Google or if it's going to be somebody

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<v 2015 Sam>else. But the companies that are coming at it from the approach of,

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<v 2015 Sam>we are going to build something that does not require a driver,

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<v 2015 Sam>period, stop, end of story, that's what they're trying to do.

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<v 2015 Sam>They don't succeed until they achieve that, will at some point lap the companies

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<v 2015 Sam>who are coming at it from the point of view of the other direction.

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<v 2015 Ivan>Now, what I'm going to tell you right now is that those guys that are promising

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<v 2015 Ivan>that right now, they are way overestimating how quickly they can get that to

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<v 2015 Ivan>work the way that they believe it is going to work. They're not going to get there.

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<v 2015 Ivan>That's what I think. I think they're way overpromising.

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<v 2015 Sam>I think within 10 years, they will be there.

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<v 2015 Ivan>I think it's going to take longer than 10 years. It's going to take longer than 10 years.

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<v 2015 Ivan>I'm going to tell you the main reason why that is, because there's just going

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<v 2015 Ivan>to be millions of cars around those cars that are not that way.

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<v 2015 Sam>It'll take more than 10 years to get mass adoption, but it'll be less than 10

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<v 2015 Sam>years until you can buy a car that does that.

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<v 2015 Ivan>Listen, even in aircraft that are 10 times smarter than any of the cars that

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<v 2015 Ivan>we have out there right now, okay, it took for the technology to have,

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<v 2015 Ivan>to have the infrastructure, to have the airplanes be able to talk to each other

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<v 2015 Ivan>to everything in order to be able to be able to be able to fly autonomous.

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<v 2015 Ivan>And what you're telling me is that, oh, no, we're going to build a car right

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<v 2015 Ivan>now that, you know what, it's not going to rely on that. It's never going to

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<v 2015 Ivan>end up going to accident and nothing's going to happen, right?

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<v 2015 Sam>No, not never, just less than human accidents. The Google cars already have

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<v 2015 Sam>a safety record better than human drivers.

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<v 2015 Ivan>Listen, I'm telling you right now, but the problem is that you're not going

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<v 2015 Ivan>to get away from the fact that you still have that many factors around.

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<v 2015 Ivan>I don't know. I listen, like I said, it's but you see, my point is that there

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<v 2015 Ivan>are a lot of situations and we're not just talking about driving the United States.

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<v 2015 Ivan>We're talking about being able to drive anywhere in the world.

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<v 2015 Ivan>OK, not just here, off road, on road, wherever the hell, whatever.

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<v 2015 Sam>The first ones of these will be geographically restricted. The first ones of these you buy will.

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<v 2015 Ivan>Well, my point is that you're not going to get to something that can go anywhere.

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<v 2015 Ivan>It's still going to require some level of human intervention.

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<v 2015 Ivan>No, it's going to take, listen, I'm telling you, look,

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<v 2015 Ivan>I, I will stake my ground even 10 years from now, the car may be 10 times smarter

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<v 2015 Ivan>and be able to avoid to make it 90% of the mistakes you can do right now,

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<v 2015 Ivan>but fully autonomous, fully a hundred percent, not 10.

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<v 2015 Sam>I tell you, I tell you this then.

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<v 2015 Ivan>Yes.

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<v 2015 Sam>By 2025, it may be very, it may still be very expensive.

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<v 2015 Sam>It may be very limited in terms of.

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<v 2015 Sam>how many people have them. But by 2025, you will be able to buy a car that you

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<v 2015 Sam>can get in, tell it your destination, and go to sleep.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Sam.

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<v Sam>Was that the end?

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<v Ivan>No, I got it because it was a drag on Ferrari. But that's basically the main point. Sam? Sam?

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<v Sam>Yes? Yes.

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<v Ivan>You're loud wrong. and I was allowed right.

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<v Sam>I was definitely wrong. I was thinking for a little bit, maybe I could finesse

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<v Sam>it, like, do Waymo's count? Because you can legally go to sleep in a Waymo.

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<v Ivan>But you cannot just buy a Waymo. You can't just buy a Waymo,

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<v Ivan>not just that it's geographically fenced, which is the one thing we're talking about.

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<v Sam>No, no, I said they might be geographically fenced or otherwise limited.

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<v Sam>The key part is you can't just buy a Waymo.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, right. You were expecting some very rich people to be able to have one

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<v Ivan>to work and you just can't just buy a Waymo. No.

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<v Sam>You can't just buy a Waymo and they are very limited. I mean,

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<v Sam>again, I allowed the fact they might be very limited, but I figured you'd be able to buy one.

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<v Sam>But the only people who have full autonomous, and even they cheat because they

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<v Sam>have like remote safety drivers that can take over.

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<v Sam>You know, so they cheat as well.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>And you can't buy those.

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<v Ivan>You can't buy them.

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<v Sam>You can't buy those. You know, the autonomous taxis are growing while they do cheat.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Tesla rolled out some and they had like people sitting in the fucking car watching them.

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<v Sam>Well, right. All of the, yeah, well, they had people sitting in the car.

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<v Sam>But even the ones that are theoretically, there's no.

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<v Ivan>There's somebody somewhere.

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<v Sam>There's somebody remote. Even if there's not somebody in the car.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>You know, and if I remember right. If you if you played that further,

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<v Sam>we talked a little bit about, you know, I made the point about sleeping in the car.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>And now there are definitely people who actually do sleep in the car while they

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<v Sam>use their Tesla self-driving.

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<v Sam>But in our discussion, I specified that it would be legal to do so.

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<v Sam>It is definitely not legal.

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<v Ivan>Well, the one thing that we're talking about was that being safer right now

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<v Ivan>than that that you would drivers. And the reality is that right now,

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<v Ivan>I mean, look, insurance data showed that Tesla drivers have some of the highest

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<v Ivan>rates of accidents that there are out there.

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<v Ivan>And there are the cars right now equipped with the most of the technology,

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<v Ivan>the most advanced in that sense.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Well, aside from the Waymos of the world, right?

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>Like of cars you can actually buy. But one of the points I was making in our

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<v Sam>discussion from 10 years ago, because I have not re-listened to this episode

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<v Sam>like you just did, but I remember the conversation, even though it was 10 years ago.

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<v Sam>No, but one of the points that I have made probably in this episode,

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<v Sam>but over and over again when we talked about this,

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<v Sam>is the driver assist is actually more dangerous than actually doing full autonomous

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<v Sam>driving because it assumes the driver can take over at a moment's notice.

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<v Ivan>I mean, that's been my biggest knock on FSD, the way it is right now.

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<v Ivan>It's the reason why, during the episode, I was talking about technology helping

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<v Ivan>people, stopping them from having accidents, for example.

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<v Ivan>Which a lot of the driver aides that many car manufacturers do right now do a lot of that.

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<v Ivan>Like, you know, like my car, for example, has avoided me, you know,

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<v Ivan>getting into an accident by me changing lanes and not seeing somebody, for example.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>You know, that kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>My new car has just basic blind spot warnings and stuff, and they've absolutely

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<v Sam>been helpful. It's gone beep, beep, beep when I'm about to try something stupid.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>You know?

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<v Ivan>That kind of stuff, which we've got a lot of that, and it's significantly improved from what we had.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, the FSD technology, and look, I told the story about this guy

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<v Ivan>was having lunch who was basically being cavalier and falling asleep and doing

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<v Ivan>what the hell we're talking about and doing that whatever. And he got into, he totaled the Tesla.

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<v Ivan>The Tesla drove into a wall because he was that cavalier. Okay.

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<v Ivan>and totaled the car. I mean, this wasn't a small accident, okay?

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<v Sam>Yeah, and this is the thing, and the fully autonomous ones have been slower,

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<v Sam>because I had specified it had to be legal to go to sleep, and part of my argument

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<v Sam>was these cars would not even have the steering wheel. It would just be a passenger compartment.

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<v Sam>And some of the taxis are, in fact, structured that way, the autonomous taxis that are running out.

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<v Ivan>Remote drivers anyways. What the hell?

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<v Sam>A lot of remote drivers have to sometimes take over.

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<v Ivan>They have a wheel over there. So you took out the wheel from a car and there's

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<v Ivan>somebody with a fucking wheel sitting in a room somewhere else.

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<v Sam>It might be a keyboard or a joystick.

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<v Ivan>It might be a keyboard or a joystick, yes, as much as we know, yes.

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<v Sam>And you see videos every once in a while about people like, you know,

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<v Sam>oh, the Waymo got stuck. The Waymo's confused.

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<v Ivan>Yep, yep, yep. You see that, yeah.

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<v Sam>Because, you know, something happens and it just has no idea what to do.

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<v Ivan>Something happened that a human could figure out, but the Waymo could not, basically.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>So, yes, I was absolutely wrong. It did not happen within 10 years.

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<v Sam>You can go to sleep in your autonomous driving vehicle, but if it's a Tesla,

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<v Sam>you would be incredibly stupid to do so, if you're the driver, obviously.

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<v Sam>And in a Waymo, you're probably fine going to sleep.

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<v Ivan>Well, there is somebody else minding the fucking store.

00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:21.620
<v Sam>It's geofenced.

00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.340
<v Ivan>Somebody else is minding it.

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<v Sam>Now, have they disclosed? Is there someone actually monitoring in real time at all points?

00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:34.840
<v Sam>Or does the Waymo call for help when it feels like it's in?

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<v Ivan>I thought it was the Waymo call. I thought it was alert. I think so, too. Okay? Yeah.

00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:39.940
<v Sam>I think so, too.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>So there's not necessarily someone watching.

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<v Ivan>But it's doing it, again, it's doing it in a very limited geographic area because

00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.100
<v Ivan>it's the one that it knows very well.

00:14:50.300 --> 00:14:52.420
<v Ivan>And even back then, 10 years ago.

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<v Sam>Although they're expanding the geographic area over time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>It is slowly. But, you know, even 10 years ago, I still remember seeing BMW

00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.120
<v Ivan>demo a car that could go around a track by itself and a track that it knew very well.

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<v Ivan>It's not like that wasn't possible.

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<v Ivan>I mean, shit. I mean, we had, come on, man. When we were in college,

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<v Ivan>and let's face it, Sam, when we were in college was a really,

00:15:15.780 --> 00:15:18.580
<v Ivan>really, really long time ago now, okay?

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<v Sam>Yes, it was. And they already had self-driving on the CMU campus. I mean, it was slow.

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<v Sam>I remember going out to see the demos of the big self-driving Humvee that they

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<v Sam>put together or whatever in the park.

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<v Sam>And it's like maximum speed was like five miles per hour or something.

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<v Sam>But it did it. And, of course, they improved that rapidly over time and removed

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<v Sam>the amount of restrictions on it, etc.

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<v Sam>I think the first cross-country drive of one of these things was not that long

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<v Sam>after we were in college with the safety driver and all this kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>You know, so I was over-optimistic.

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<v Sam>I was indeed.

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<v Ivan>I love this. Well, actually, I love this more The fact that I found this I mean,

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<v Ivan>all of a sudden I'm just looking at my calendar I'm like, what?

00:16:10.340 --> 00:16:12.920
<v Ivan>Wait, what? We fucking, wait, this was,

00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:15.530
<v Ivan>Fuck. And I'm like realizing, Jesus.

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<v Sam>A reminder from yourself from a decade in the past.

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<v Ivan>From a decade ago. And then it happens that Apple technology apparently is still

00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:28.050
<v Ivan>so, I still use it so widely that it was still on the same fucking calendar

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<v Ivan>I put it from 10 years ago.

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<v Ivan>Now that's more amazing, I think, than anything else.

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<v Sam>Now i had remembered for a long time

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<v Sam>i i every every once in a while and certainly

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<v Sam>every time we've talked about self-driving on this podcast i've

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<v Sam>been like we had that thing that was like for some huge number of years in the

00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:49.570
<v Sam>future has that passed yet it seems like it should have passed yet but no not

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<v Sam>until just now and although like like i said for at least five years i have

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<v Sam>admitted whenever we've talked about self-driving that i was gonna be wrong

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<v Sam>about this when the time game oh.

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<v Ivan>Gosh but you know but yeah so i mean so wait yeah okay so let me ask you a question

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<v Ivan>do you guys have like a home family calendar like the you use what do you use for the or no.

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<v Sam>So here's here's the thing i had set up all of that stuff okay once upon a time

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<v Sam>uh-huh so yes i have we each have like on our phones a private calendar and

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<v Sam>a shared calendar and we're all subscribed to each other's shared calendars, theoretically.

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<v Ivan>But is that which calendar? I mean, I guess it's not using your Apple calendar on the phone?

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<v Sam>No, it was using Apple, but let me get to the part why it's not actually practically

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<v Sam>in use anymore. Because...

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<v Sam>First of all, like my main constraints are generally my work calendar.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>And it is possible for me to share my work calendar with my Apple phone.

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<v Sam>But I stopped years ago having anything work-related on my phone that allowed

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<v Sam>the company to have like management rights on my phone.

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<v Ivan>Okay, okay.

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<v Sam>And so no more work calendar on my personal phone.

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<v Sam>OK, well, the way that I. OK, so wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

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<v Sam>let me finish this. Let me finish this.

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<v Sam>And then so I had no more work calendar on my personal phone.

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<v Sam>Now, I could have done something like just block out big blocks of time where

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<v Sam>I'm at work. You know, just like, I'm at work these hours, these days, and boom, that's all.

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<v Sam>But I never did that. And then when Brandy started her work,

00:18:45.210 --> 00:18:49.370
<v Sam>she had similar constraints with her work calendars.

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<v Sam>And she had campaign calendars and work calendars, but they were all on different tech.

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<v Sam>And you couldn't be shared freely, blah, blah, blah. And so I still potentially,

00:19:01.370 --> 00:19:05.170
<v Sam>in some cases, put personal appointments on there.

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<v Sam>But frankly, none of us look at

00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:12.030
<v Sam>our Apple accounts enough or use our Apple accounts to make it worth it.

00:19:12.090 --> 00:19:18.110
<v Sam>Because we all have the things that actually matter and block our calendars on other systems.

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<v Sam>A whole diverse set of systems that aren't brought together because of constraints.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, so basically you don't have family. I mean, here's the thing that we have about the family count.

00:19:28.850 --> 00:19:29.610
<v Sam>We set one up. We just...

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<v Sam>drifted away from it because of all these constraints.

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<v Ivan>I have a family calendar, but the one thing that I do, if there's anything,

00:19:37.370 --> 00:19:41.070
<v Ivan>look, I'm assumed to be at work during the day, bottom line.

00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:43.670
<v Ivan>It's like, look, just assume I'm at work.

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<v Ivan>However, if there is an event that requires me to block time from work to be

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<v Ivan>at, what we do is send an invite to my work calendar. Okay?

00:19:54.430 --> 00:19:55.010
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>And so that way blocks the work time because I have to be at a doctor or something like that.

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<v Sam>Well, this is what I do at this point.

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<v Ivan>Too. That way is what I do. But then they have the family calendar and everything

00:20:05.670 --> 00:20:09.170
<v Ivan>that they see. And Manu lives by the calendar, religiously.

00:20:09.250 --> 00:20:09.470
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Okay. So he is looking at, you know, I put my travel schedules on there and

00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:17.110
<v Ivan>it's like, you know, synchronized.

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<v Ivan>You know, if it's travel, I have it that I sent an invite to the home calendar

00:20:22.270 --> 00:20:25.950
<v Ivan>so it's on there so they know what it is and, you know, that kind of stuff.

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<v Ivan>So that way they will see the events that are relevant. And if they need to

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<v Ivan>block time from me, I basically am like somebody else that is like you do business

00:20:34.730 --> 00:20:36.310
<v Ivan>at another company. You can't see the calendar.

00:20:36.510 --> 00:20:39.370
<v Ivan>Hey, you sent them an invite. So, hey, I'll get an invite. Oh,

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<v Ivan>OK. No, I can't do that time.

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<v Ivan>I'll decline it or I'll accept it. And I will be able to block my work time, basically.

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<v Sam>Right. Yeah. Yeah, no, I hear you. And like when I have appointments for anything,

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<v Sam>I put them on my work calendar because that's what I have.

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<v Sam>I put them directly on my work calendar because that's what I have to work around for the most part.

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<v Sam>And even even if it's something like if I have something Saturday that I have

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<v Sam>to remember, I will put a reminder.

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<v Sam>I will block some time on my calendar for Friday afternoon saying,

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<v Sam>remember, you have this thing Saturday.

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<v Ivan>Right. Right. OK.

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<v Sam>You know, because I will look at it while I'm at work, but I'm not looking at,

00:21:20.520 --> 00:21:24.960
<v Sam>any of the personal calendars anymore i'm only looking at my work calendar realistically,

00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.460
<v Sam>and okay occasionally you know brandy would get pissed at me like what do you

00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:32.740
<v Sam>mean you didn't know about this i put it on the calendar i'm like well i don't

00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:40.000
<v Sam>look at that calendar anymore you know and i don't know so anyway that's that.

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<v Ivan>Anyway all right so that's my but first basically i i figured i could make.

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<v Sam>Excellent i was gonna bring it up if you didn't right up at the front But you

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<v Sam>beat me to it because you wanted to, like, make fun of me.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:59.020
<v Sam>Which is important. You could be damn sure if I'd been right,

00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:00.300
<v Sam>I would have been making fun of you.

00:22:01.260 --> 00:22:07.020
<v Ivan>Yes. You know, listen, Sam, for a number of, I mean, it was a long time.

00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:15.220
<v Ivan>I made a prediction about Paul Sangas being the Democratic candidate who's going

00:22:15.220 --> 00:22:17.540
<v Ivan>to be president, I said, in 1992.

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<v Ivan>Sam took that clip, put it on his answering machine for everybody to listen

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<v Ivan>to when they left him a message saying, wrong, sorry, Yvonne, but you were wrong.

00:22:31.080 --> 00:22:36.460
<v Ivan>So, yes, I need to be able to take advantage of what I got right now,

00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:40.940
<v Ivan>given that he spent like, it must have been like a year or more that that was

00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:42.280
<v Ivan>his answering machine message.

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<v Sam>Okay, now, Yvonne, you want to go double and nothing for 2035 on the same prediction?

00:22:50.740 --> 00:22:54.900
<v Ivan>I think 2035, they may have figured it out. Okay?

00:22:55.240 --> 00:23:00.200
<v Ivan>I think another 10 years, they may have figured it out. So, no, I won't do double.

00:23:00.780 --> 00:23:03.420
<v Ivan>No, no. I think 2035, they...

00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:09.580
<v Sam>What if we reverse our predictions then? You can say we will be able to buy

00:23:09.580 --> 00:23:12.180
<v Sam>a car that you can just go to sleep, and I'll say you won't.

00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:16.000
<v Ivan>Gosh, but I'm not even that convinced about that one right now.

00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:23.500
<v Ivan>I think it goes back to, during that, it goes back to the one problem that I said about,

00:23:24.100 --> 00:23:28.260
<v Ivan>you know, with aircraft, one of the ways that they've made it that aircraft

00:23:28.260 --> 00:23:34.600
<v Ivan>can literally like almost fly by themselves is with the adoption of stuff like TCAS, for example.

00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.320
<v Ivan>ADS-B and other technologies that constantly share.

00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:42.400
<v Sam>Every plane is mandated to be able to communicate with each other so that you can.

00:23:42.520 --> 00:23:47.740
<v Ivan>And communicate precise data on location, precise data on a lot of information.

00:23:47.740 --> 00:23:53.420
<v Ivan>And they are able to talk to each other, to avoid each other and so much and so on.

00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:58.580
<v Sam>And you don't have the possibility of the kid running across the street chasing their ball.

00:23:58.700 --> 00:24:05.700
<v Ivan>Exactly. You don't have that. But so the thing is that I think that even like 10 years from now,

00:24:05.860 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Ivan>one of the things that I think would make a big improvement in this is that

00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.360
<v Ivan>cars would be able to communicate to each other kind of like a way to say that

00:24:14.360 --> 00:24:19.080
<v Ivan>airplanes do in a certain extent in order to avoid those kinds of things.

00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Ivan>OK, and that the roads would be smart roads and that kind of stuff.

00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:28.760
<v Ivan>But that requires a massive multi, hell, I think over a trillion dollar investment

00:24:28.760 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Ivan>in some of that in order to be able to get to the full level that I think.

00:24:34.360 --> 00:24:37.120
<v Ivan>I think they may be able to get a lot closer, but but.

00:24:38.340 --> 00:24:40.740
<v Ivan>But with the other advances, they may be able to get a lot closer,

00:24:40.820 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Ivan>that it doesn't need to be that way.

00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Ivan>But my whole point is that since all the other cars don't have that,

00:24:46.360 --> 00:24:50.940
<v Ivan>cars have to keep, even the smart car that can drive by itself or whatever,

00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Ivan>maybe in a perfect environment, right?

00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:56.340
<v Ivan>You still have all these other morons that there's still hundreds of millions

00:24:56.340 --> 00:25:01.400
<v Ivan>of these other cars and you just dart out of a place, just smash into you senselessly.

00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:05.100
<v Ivan>And so that's the big risk that you have there.

00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:10.620
<v Ivan>And the cars aren't really that well prepared to have some assholes like swerving,

00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:13.800
<v Ivan>coming at, like say, for example, like a wrong way driver. Okay.

00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:19.760
<v Sam>Well, to be honest, to be honest, humans aren't necessarily that well prepared for that scenario.

00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Ivan>But I think the autonomy gets so confused.

00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Ivan>It's sometimes even worse. I mean, I've avoided a wrong way drive,

00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:29.900
<v Ivan>like at least once in my lifetime. Okay. And it was.

00:25:29.900 --> 00:25:32.760
<v Sam>I've been a wrong-way driver at least once in my lifetime.

00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:37.300
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck. Well, all right. And what I, okay.

00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:38.760
<v Sam>Not for very long.

00:25:38.860 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Ivan>I realized it very quickly. Okay, yeah, no, no. And I meant,

00:25:41.800 --> 00:25:45.080
<v Ivan>yeah, and I just realized, I meant like wrong-way driver, instead of being on

00:25:45.080 --> 00:25:48.040
<v Ivan>a highway, okay, all right, where I had a car coming at me.

00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Sam>For a long period of time.

00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:54.240
<v Ivan>At 70 miles an hour, driving the wrong fucking direction on a highway, okay? Or more.

00:25:54.860 --> 00:25:59.520
<v Sam>I remember twice, once was turning onto a one-way street in Pittsburgh.

00:26:00.780 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Ivan>And that's always, you know.

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Sam>You know, and I realized within like a dozen feet and pulled over and figured out how to get out of it.

00:26:09.540 --> 00:26:16.320
<v Sam>And then the other was accidentally heading on the off ramp of a highway.

00:26:17.100 --> 00:26:20.320
<v Sam>And then my family started screaming, what the hell are you doing,

00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Sam>Sam? And then once again, I figured it out.

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:29.380
<v Ivan>You know, I had like our mutual friend who I haven't heard from in forever.

00:26:29.380 --> 00:26:32.820
<v Ivan>So I don't even know if we're friends anymore, Marilyn, that once borrowed my

00:26:32.820 --> 00:26:36.620
<v Ivan>car and she was lost and was in my car.

00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:38.900
<v Ivan>This was the time that cars had cell phones.

00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:43.380
<v Ivan>Maybe she didn't personally own one, but my car had a cell phone and she calls

00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:46.300
<v Ivan>me from the car to try to figure out where the hell she is to make a turn.

00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.700
<v Ivan>And I go and I tell her to make a left turn at this place where she told me

00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:53.140
<v Ivan>that she was, but she made a left turn and started going the wrong way.

00:26:53.600 --> 00:26:57.440
<v Ivan>And all of a sudden I hear her freaking out as she realized that she made the

00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.060
<v Ivan>left turn, but didn't get on the right.

00:26:59.890 --> 00:27:03.670
<v Ivan>Didn't get on the right lane, stayed on the left, was driving the wrong way.

00:27:03.850 --> 00:27:06.010
<v Ivan>She's freaking out on the cell phone.

00:27:06.290 --> 00:27:11.850
<v Ivan>She backs up, you know, trying to make a U-turn hurriedly and actually crunched

00:27:11.850 --> 00:27:16.490
<v Ivan>the back of my car as I was on the other side of the cell of the phone.

00:27:16.930 --> 00:27:20.110
<v Ivan>And I've already talked about a little bit how I'm a little bit of an anal about

00:27:20.110 --> 00:27:23.570
<v Ivan>my cars. I will admit that I did not flip out at her because I realized that

00:27:23.570 --> 00:27:24.690
<v Ivan>that would probably make it worse.

00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:25.570
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:27:25.810 --> 00:27:29.770
<v Ivan>I remained calm and I just said, listen, just drive forward. Don't worry about it.

00:27:30.590 --> 00:27:34.950
<v Ivan>and we'll figure it out. Thankfully, it wasn't too much. Okay, it was no big deal.

00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:40.050
<v Ivan>But I know that I felt really like, I felt like somebody just stabbed me in

00:27:40.050 --> 00:27:44.850
<v Ivan>the heart for a second as I heard this, but I maintained composure and did not

00:27:44.850 --> 00:27:45.870
<v Ivan>make the situation worse.

00:27:46.290 --> 00:27:48.730
<v Ivan>And I did not yell at her about it.

00:27:49.110 --> 00:27:52.430
<v Sam>Good job, Yvonne. So sorry, I distracted you from your story.

00:27:53.290 --> 00:27:56.610
<v Ivan>Which, we're done. We're done with story. We're done with story.

00:27:56.610 --> 00:27:57.330
<v Sam>We're done with cars.

00:27:57.590 --> 00:27:58.410
<v Ivan>Yeah, we're done with cars.

00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:02.830
<v Sam>And we have decided not to set another alarm for 10 years from now.

00:28:02.830 --> 00:28:07.070
<v Ivan>No, I'm not setting another alarm. I'm not making another. Okay,

00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:09.530
<v Ivan>wait. No, maybe we'll do a check.

00:28:10.110 --> 00:28:11.330
<v Sam>Okay, let's do a check.

00:28:11.330 --> 00:28:13.790
<v Ivan>Let's do a check. You set the appointment right now. Okay, I'll set the appointment

00:28:13.790 --> 00:28:18.890
<v Ivan>again for 10 years so we can check the status of where we're at with it,

00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:20.950
<v Ivan>but no bet. No prediction.

00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:28.410
<v Ivan>I don't feel very confident about my prediction back then. I felt very confident back then.

00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:31.330
<v Ivan>I don't feel, I don't know.

00:28:31.670 --> 00:28:34.210
<v Ivan>Now I'm in the area of I don't know.

00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:37.970
<v Ivan>Instead of like, now, no way, never going to happen.

00:28:38.390 --> 00:28:42.510
<v Ivan>So I'm on the I don't know, like right now. So let me, I'm making,

00:28:42.790 --> 00:28:45.550
<v Ivan>looking at the calendar. Where the hell is this?

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<v Ivan>Okay, I will make the change now in order for us to, there it is. Autonomous car fully.

00:28:52.870 --> 00:28:57.770
<v Ivan>You can fall asleep. Here we go. Make a change for...

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<v Ivan>October 9th, 2025, but 2035. Okay, here we go.

00:29:05.350 --> 00:29:09.850
<v Ivan>Typing in 2035 onto the calendar. Here we go.

00:29:10.510 --> 00:29:15.630
<v Ivan>Boom, boom. Yep. Here we go. So now it's launched into the future.

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<v Ivan>10 years from now. Okay.

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<v Sam>We will reconvene.

00:29:20.450 --> 00:29:21.030
<v Ivan>In 10 years.

00:29:21.550 --> 00:29:27.430
<v Sam>And somehow we will manage, and I will accept. I just got the meeting request.

00:29:27.650 --> 00:29:28.970
<v Ivan>You see, you got the invite. There you go.

00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:35.290
<v Sam>I got the invite. Let's, I'm going to accept. There we go. Accepted the meeting invite.

00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:36.550
<v Ivan>Excellent. Excellent.

00:29:37.170 --> 00:29:38.870
<v Sam>So see you in 10 years, Yvonne.

00:29:38.990 --> 00:29:40.310
<v Ivan>See you in 10 years. Again.

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<v Sam>Okay. With that out of the way.

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<v Ivan>You got to cover your movies.

00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:52.230
<v Sam>Yeah. Although I don't know if I want to. Last week we said we'll do three.

00:29:52.490 --> 00:29:55.250
<v Sam>But I don't know if, you know, two is plenty.

00:29:55.370 --> 00:29:57.630
<v Ivan>All right. Go with two. Go with two. Go with two.

00:29:57.710 --> 00:30:01.570
<v Sam>All right. Two is plenty. We've already done half an hour on autonomous cars.

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<v Sam>Okay. Movie number one, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse.

00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:14.020
<v Sam>which I watched January 2nd of this year. So I'm in the same year again.

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<v Ivan>Jesus Christ. I mean, when is this movie from? I don't even remember this movie.

00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.140
<v Ivan>What's the name of the movie again?

00:30:21.380 --> 00:30:25.660
<v Sam>This was a 2023 movie. Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse.

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<v Ivan>How bad? The same as all the other fucking Batman movies, this Spider-Man reboot 10 times movies.

00:30:36.380 --> 00:30:37.040
<v Sam>Here's the thing.

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<v Ivan>Confuse the shit out of me.

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<v Sam>So this is the second in the Spider-Verse franchise.

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<v Sam>The first one was Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse from 2018.

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<v Sam>Okay. And there's a third one coming out, I think, next year.

00:30:53.860 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Sam>Okay. It's due to come out next year, I think. Or maybe it got delayed to 2027.

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<v Sam>Let me check that. Sequel Beyond the Spider-Verse.

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<v Ivan>And this one's animated.

00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:09.340
<v Sam>Yes this series is animated.

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<v Ivan>I had no clue i mean i literally just looked at the poster and it's like i swear

00:31:14.620 --> 00:31:19.080
<v Ivan>to god i mean it's this isn't even one that i maybe saw the poster like no but

00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:24.380
<v Ivan>i just saw it and i was just like shocked at the poster like i have no idea so.

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<v Sam>The third one is now due to come out june 2027 so we got a little bit of time

00:31:30.700 --> 00:31:37.780
<v Sam>yet for for that one so let let me you know Now, I will just put it this way.

00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.120
<v Sam>I've watched the first two movies.

00:31:40.700 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Sam>I really enjoyed both movies. Big thumbs up.

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<v Sam>These are about the Miles Morales Spider-Man, not the Peter Parker Spider-Man, just to be clear.

00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:58.340
<v Ivan>Once again, I didn't even know there was a Miles Morales Spider-Man.

00:31:59.020 --> 00:31:59.760
<v Sam>You know.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I didn't even know that. I don't know anything.

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<v Sam>So you should, Yvonne. Miles Morales is Puerto Rican.

00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:10.120
<v Ivan>It sounded from the name of it.

00:32:13.620 --> 00:32:16.940
<v Sam>He's an African-American Puerto Rican descendant.

00:32:17.100 --> 00:32:21.500
<v Ivan>But wait, wait, wait. His dad's African-American, his mother's Puerto Rican.

00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.140
<v Ivan>I was mentioning that I wound up for some reason running into somebody online

00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Ivan>who was African-American from Georgia that got into my face and insisted that

00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Ivan>all Puerto Ricans were white and Spanish. Are we all white?

00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.280
<v Sam>Apparently.

00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:38.860
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Sam>Yes.

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:39.500
<v Ivan>Right.

00:32:39.800 --> 00:32:39.980
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:32:40.100 --> 00:32:40.980
<v Ivan>So this must be fake.

00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:52.220
<v Sam>Anyway, the, the, the, they both got a lot of accolades for having interesting

00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:55.300
<v Sam>animation style, blending animation styles, et cetera.

00:32:55.660 --> 00:33:04.620
<v Sam>The second one really doubled down into the whole idea of the multiverse that

00:33:04.620 --> 00:33:06.620
<v Sam>into the spider first, the first one.

00:33:06.620 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Sam>And the first movie in the series introduced it.

00:33:11.580 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Sam>There was a sort of crossover between the different universes,

00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.820
<v Sam>you know, and so you had some intersection between them.

00:33:20.140 --> 00:33:27.100
<v Sam>The second movie went completely in there. Like there's this hub between universes

00:33:27.100 --> 00:33:31.940
<v Sam>where you have Spider-Men from like dozens of different dimensions interacting

00:33:31.940 --> 00:33:33.740
<v Sam>with each other with different histories.

00:33:34.120 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Sam>And they have sort of canonical events that happen in the lives of all spider

00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Sam>creatures. Because, you know, some of them, there's men, there's women.

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Ivan>So there's like a lot of spider creatures.

00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.460
<v Sam>Yes. Yes, from different, and, you know, there's some that are,

00:33:50.580 --> 00:33:54.020
<v Sam>like, in the first movie and appearing again in the second movie,

00:33:54.120 --> 00:33:57.500
<v Sam>there's, like, one version of Spider-Man who's a pig, you know.

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:04.600
<v Sam>There's different animation styles, so you see them, like, interact with each other.

00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:11.640
<v Ivan>I am so lost. I am so confused. There's Spider-Man. I have no idea about these things.

00:34:12.540 --> 00:34:18.940
<v Sam>Anyway, very creative. I really liked it. if I had to pick, maybe the first one's a little bit,

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.240
<v Sam>better than the second one because it

00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Sam>doesn't get quite all tied up in the mythos of all of these different like universes

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:36.700
<v Sam>interacting with each other and it's more directly on like you'll look you have

00:34:36.700 --> 00:34:40.600
<v Sam>a small group of characters that you really get to know and like there's,

00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:47.180
<v Sam>and you you meet it's not just spider like one of the female spider-men is in

00:34:47.180 --> 00:34:52.900
<v Sam>some universes she's known as Spider Woman, but this was, colloquially she's Spider Gwen.

00:34:54.220 --> 00:34:57.900
<v Sam>And anyway, I liked both of them. I liked the second one.

00:34:58.020 --> 00:35:01.740
<v Sam>I say, if I had to put them, maybe the first one's a little bit better,

00:35:02.260 --> 00:35:04.460
<v Sam>but I really liked the second one too.

00:35:04.720 --> 00:35:07.580
<v Sam>And it completely sets up its sequel though.

00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:13.500
<v Sam>It's one of those situations where I was pissed at the end of the movie because

00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:18.120
<v Sam>I wanted to go straight to the next one. and it's not going to be out for like three years.

00:35:18.120 --> 00:35:19.940
<v Ivan>For still, you got to, yeah, still a while, yeah.

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:27.780
<v Sam>Yeah, so, but very creative, creative with the animation styles as well,

00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:32.740
<v Sam>like, and multi-animation styles, because, like, when you get the Spider-Men

00:35:32.740 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Sam>from different universes,

00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Sam>they're animated differently in terms of how they look and feel.

00:35:40.540 --> 00:35:44.060
<v Sam>Like, some are more comic book-y, some are more 3D animation,

00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.020
<v Sam>some are more this, some are more that.

00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:51.700
<v Sam>You get some things where even the frame rate of the animation changes depending

00:35:51.700 --> 00:35:54.700
<v Sam>on what's going on with the character and stuff like that.

00:35:55.260 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Sam>So there's a lot of sort of artistry stuff about it, but then it's also just a good story.

00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:08.380
<v Sam>I will read the beginning of the plots from both of these from Wikipedia,

00:36:08.380 --> 00:36:12.780
<v Sam>from Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse. That's the first one.

00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:16.140
<v Sam>Here's the beginning of the Wikipedia plot description.

00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:21.520
<v Sam>New York City teenager Miles Morales struggles to live up to the expectations,

00:36:22.340 --> 00:36:28.080
<v Sam>of his father, police officer Jefferson Davis, who sees Spider-Man as a menace.

00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:30.980
<v Sam>Miles' uncle Aaron takes him

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Sam>to an abandoned subway station to paint graffiti as a way to cheer him up.

00:36:34.720 --> 00:36:39.600
<v Sam>There, Miles is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains abilities similar to

00:36:39.600 --> 00:36:42.060
<v Sam>Spider-Man. Because the original Spider-Man is also in here.

00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:47.900
<v Sam>Returning to the station where he got bit, he discovers a collider built by

00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:53.260
<v Sam>Kingpin, who hopes to access parallel universes to abduct alternate versions

00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:55.740
<v Sam>of his late wife, Vanessa, and son, Richard.

00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:00.680
<v Sam>Spider-Man attempts to stop the collider while fighting Kingpin's enforcers,

00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.920
<v Sam>the Green Goblin, and Prowler.

00:37:03.570 --> 00:37:07.970
<v Sam>I'll read the second paragraph. Green Goblin shoves Spider-Man into the Collider,

00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:13.770
<v Sam>causing an explosion that mortally wounds Spider-Man, who then gives Miles a

00:37:13.770 --> 00:37:17.110
<v Sam>USB flash drive designed to sabotage the Collider,

00:37:17.450 --> 00:37:21.090
<v Sam>warning that the machine could destroy the city if reactivated.

00:37:21.470 --> 00:37:26.430
<v Sam>After watching in horror as Kingpin murders Spider-Man, Miles flees.

00:37:26.690 --> 00:37:33.270
<v Sam>As the city mourns Spider-Man's death, Miles tries to honor his legacy by becoming the new Spider-Man.

00:37:33.570 --> 00:37:39.930
<v Sam>but inadvertently damages the drive. At Spider-Man's grave, he meets Peter B.

00:37:40.230 --> 00:37:44.690
<v Sam>Parker, a middle-aged and world-weary Spider-Man from another dimension.

00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:48.530
<v Sam>Dun-dun-dun. And then the movie proceeds from there.

00:37:48.770 --> 00:37:49.190
<v Ivan>Ah.

00:37:49.450 --> 00:37:56.490
<v Sam>And then across the Spider-Verse, which happens later, on Earth-65,

00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:02.190
<v Sam>Spider-Woman Gwen Tracy has become increasingly isolated from her friends and

00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:03.930
<v Sam>estranged from her father, George.

00:38:04.350 --> 00:38:09.550
<v Sam>George is hunting Spider-Woman for killing Peter Parker, unaware that it was

00:38:09.550 --> 00:38:12.050
<v Sam>an accident after Peter turned into the lizard.

00:38:12.970 --> 00:38:17.250
<v Sam>Gwen encounters a version of the Vulture from an Italian Renaissance-themed

00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:21.990
<v Sam>alternate universe, and Miguel O'Hara and Jess Drew arrive through dimensional

00:38:21.990 --> 00:38:23.750
<v Sam>portals to help neutralize him.

00:38:24.110 --> 00:38:28.990
<v Sam>George corners Gwen and she reveals her identity to him, and he attempts to

00:38:28.990 --> 00:38:33.490
<v Sam>arrest her before she leaves with Justin Miguel. Miguel. Miguel.

00:38:34.690 --> 00:38:40.970
<v Sam>Second paragraph. In Bookland, Bookland, I'm getting really bad with the pronunciations here.

00:38:41.540 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Sam>In Brooklyn, on Earth-1610, 16 months after Kingpin's defeat,

00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.500
<v Sam>oh sorry, spoilers for the end of the first movie, and the destruction of the Alchemax Collider,

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.100
<v Sam>Miles Morales is having trouble with his parents due to his duties as Spider-Man

00:38:57.100 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Sam>interfering with his personal life, and is grounded when he is late to a party

00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.940
<v Sam>celebrating his father Jeff's promotion to police captain.

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:11.380
<v Sam>Miles encounters the Spot, an Alchemax scientist-turned-supervillain whose body

00:39:11.380 --> 00:39:14.700
<v Sam>was infused with portals during the Collider's destruction.

00:39:15.060 --> 00:39:19.620
<v Sam>The Spot blames Miles for causing his mutation and reveals that the radioactive

00:39:19.620 --> 00:39:24.520
<v Sam>spider that bit Miles and gave him his powers came from an alternate universe,

00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Sam>Earth-42, while the Spot was testing the Collider.

00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:33.500
<v Sam>The spot accidentally transports himself into a void and learns to use his portals

00:39:33.500 --> 00:39:38.700
<v Sam>to travel to other universes and empower himself by using Alchemist's colliders and other dimensions.

00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:44.100
<v Sam>Gwen travels to Miles' dimension and they reconnect, sharing their struggles

00:39:44.100 --> 00:39:48.240
<v Sam>and hinting at feelings of attraction towards each other.

00:39:48.500 --> 00:39:50.480
<v Sam>Dot, dot, dot. Movie continues.

00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:56.500
<v Sam>Anyway, both good. Like them. I recommend them. Even if you don't like superhero

00:39:56.500 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Sam>movies, even if you don't really like animations, these are fun little movies.

00:40:01.040 --> 00:40:06.520
<v Sam>But you will have to wait till 2027 for the third movie in the trilogy.

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.980
<v Ivan>Well, 2026 is almost around the corner.

00:40:11.220 --> 00:40:11.720
<v Sam>Almost here.

00:40:12.120 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:18.300
<v Sam>You got like, what, a year and three quarters. Yeah. You got a year and three quarters.

00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:20.720
<v Ivan>I'm sure it's going to be a summer release.

00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:24.540
<v Sam>Yeah, June. June. June 2027.

00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:25.960
<v Ivan>So, thumbs up.

00:40:26.620 --> 00:40:28.500
<v Sam>Thumbs up, yes. And thumbs up

00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.780
<v Sam>for the older one, too, which I probably reviewed on here a few years ago.

00:40:32.540 --> 00:40:33.020
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:36.560
<v Sam>You know, Bridge on the River Kwai can wait.

00:40:37.020 --> 00:40:37.500
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:40:39.020 --> 00:40:42.180
<v Sam>I'll never catch up this way, but Bridge on the River Kwai can wait.

00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Sam>Let's take a break, and then we'll come back and talk about the actual news

00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:53.300
<v Sam>of this week, as opposed to things from 10 years ago and a movie from last year.

00:40:53.300 --> 00:41:03.940
<v Sam>So, or two years ago is 2023, 2023, you know, all these years just sort of merge together over time.

00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Sam>You know, our discussion about

00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.780
<v Sam>that 10 year and a future prediction could have been last week. Yeah.

00:41:10.020 --> 00:41:18.880
<v Sam>You know, and so it's all, it's, it's all, all blurred together badly.

00:41:19.740 --> 00:41:24.500
<v Sam>Okay. Here comes a break. We'll be back after this.

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<v Ivan>One thing that I want to mention was that In that recording of that curmudgeon's

00:43:14.300 --> 00:43:18.820
<v Ivan>corner, and I skipped through it quickly trying to find this section and figured if I did that.

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:24.220
<v Ivan>But Alex, I heard talking into the microphone and actually speaking.

00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.900
<v Ivan>That did happen like 10 years ago.

00:43:27.040 --> 00:43:33.520
<v Sam>He used to do that quite a bit. He did entire shows as my co-host.

00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:37.600
<v Sam>Now, he would only talk about his YouTube channel and video games,

00:43:37.600 --> 00:43:38.940
<v Sam>not anything else. But, you know.

00:43:39.120 --> 00:43:44.180
<v Ivan>Hey. You know. Yeah. So anyway, all right, so I guess it's my time to pick a

00:43:44.180 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Ivan>topic, and I'm going to pick something that is newsy.

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Ivan>Honestly, I'm surprised that it's gotten, and I put this on the Slack because

00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.560
<v Ivan>I'm still shocked that it's gotten zero, no,

00:43:56.680 --> 00:44:01.680
<v Ivan>it's got zero attention, but maybe it's because there's so many scandals and

00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:05.040
<v Ivan>frauds and shit related to Trump that they just.

00:44:05.180 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Sam>Is it the hotel?

00:44:05.580 --> 00:44:09.500
<v Ivan>Yes, it's about the hotel. It's about the fucking hotel. Okay.

00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Ivan>Because nobody gave a shit about this. Okay.

00:44:12.700 --> 00:44:19.820
<v Sam>Yeah. And you putting it into Slack was literally the only thing I've heard about it.

00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:25.900
<v Ivan>No one else has even talked about it. You know, so everybody remembers that

00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:30.980
<v Ivan>Trump had this hotel during his first term that was basically a walking distance from the White House.

00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:36.080
<v Ivan>And that that hotel basically became the hub, the meeting place for all the

00:44:36.080 --> 00:44:38.300
<v Ivan>Republicans that were going to Washington.

00:44:38.580 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Ivan>They were all spending money there. Many foreign governments would buy rooms.

00:44:44.660 --> 00:44:49.500
<v Ivan>There were stories specifically about certain governments specifically buying

00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Ivan>blocks of rooms in the hotel, which they didn't even use, just to put money into the damn hotel.

00:44:57.060 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Ivan>And the hotel was very active during that time.

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:14.260
<v Ivan>Well, soon after Trump lost, okay, back in 2022, okay, Trump sold the hotel for $375 million.

00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Ivan>Now, the thing about that sale at $375 million— Wait.

00:45:18.540 --> 00:45:19.260
<v Sam>Wait, real quick.

00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:19.600
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.120
<v Sam>It was you who bought it, right?

00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Ivan>Yes, of course. Yeah. I used my petty cash.

00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:23.900
<v Sam>Just checking.

00:45:24.120 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Ivan>Using my petty cash, as usual. So, you know, no, it's a guy called Raul Fuentes,

00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Ivan>which I think I understood he's of somebody of Jamaican descent.

00:45:38.140 --> 00:45:44.020
<v Ivan>I'm not really sure where, how, and his background is murky.

00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:50.070
<v Ivan>Very little information about him. He owns something called CGI Merchant Bank

00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:53.070
<v Ivan>that owned a few other hotels and real estate properties.

00:45:53.630 --> 00:46:01.670
<v Ivan>Now, the $375 million everybody that had looked at this hotel said was a sky-high crazy number.

00:46:02.370 --> 00:46:05.750
<v Ivan>I mean, even when Trump bought it, okay, and made the lease,

00:46:05.890 --> 00:46:07.570
<v Ivan>they said that they way overpaid.

00:46:07.790 --> 00:46:11.590
<v Ivan>That it was a sky-high crazy price. That there was no way to make money on that

00:46:11.590 --> 00:46:14.030
<v Ivan>property. It didn't have enough rooms, okay?

00:46:14.830 --> 00:46:18.970
<v Ivan>The location, the layout of the building was quite funky because it was the

00:46:18.970 --> 00:46:20.410
<v Ivan>old post office over there.

00:46:20.510 --> 00:46:23.830
<v Ivan>It was a historic building, so there was a lot of things and changes that you

00:46:23.830 --> 00:46:25.790
<v Ivan>couldn't really do to the property, okay?

00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:29.050
<v Ivan>There was a big rent that had to be paid, you know, because it was.

00:46:29.050 --> 00:46:36.170
<v Sam>Really— Just to throw it out there, I remember having a school group tour of

00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:38.590
<v Sam>that old post office when I was, like, in high school.

00:46:38.650 --> 00:46:41.930
<v Ivan>Me too, okay? I did that as well, okay, during that time.

00:46:42.110 --> 00:46:42.670
<v Sam>It was cool.

00:46:42.770 --> 00:46:43.170
<v Ivan>It was cool.

00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:45.470
<v Sam>Nice columns and things.

00:46:45.830 --> 00:46:49.170
<v Ivan>A big open atrium in the middle, you know. Yeah. It's a very,

00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:50.310
<v Ivan>very cool building, okay?

00:46:52.130 --> 00:46:55.150
<v Ivan>So, listen, the price was sky high.

00:46:55.310 --> 00:46:59.610
<v Ivan>There's no way to make money on this. But the guy that bought it also got a...

00:46:59.610 --> 00:47:05.030
<v Ivan>So, but as other deals that Trump has been involved, like him being able to

00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:08.630
<v Ivan>sell a house in Palm Beach that he bought for $20 million that all of a sudden

00:47:08.630 --> 00:47:13.090
<v Ivan>got flipped for $100 million that a Russian bought, Which was like multiple

00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:14.530
<v Ivan>times what anybody would pay.

00:47:14.910 --> 00:47:18.510
<v Ivan>Okay. And nobody understands how the hell this deal happened.

00:47:18.710 --> 00:47:22.470
<v Ivan>This deal happened with this hotel where this guy came up $375 million.

00:47:22.950 --> 00:47:27.890
<v Ivan>The guy borrowed $285 million of the money for the purchase. Okay.

00:47:28.710 --> 00:47:33.750
<v Ivan>And within it, he didn't even get to a year before he was in default.

00:47:34.560 --> 00:47:39.600
<v Ivan>OK, yeah, I mean, this guy, I mean, yeah, he didn't even make it a year.

00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.640
<v Ivan>OK, and then he said, well, we got hit with some taxes and blah,

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.740
<v Ivan>blah, blah. And I'm like, well, that's ridiculous.

00:47:48.180 --> 00:47:52.100
<v Ivan>That's complete, utter bullshit on a three hundred and seventy five million dollar deal.

00:47:52.540 --> 00:47:56.560
<v Ivan>You know, you're doing your fucking due diligence. You know what the fuck is

00:47:56.560 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Ivan>coming up? There is no way that you got all of a sudden blindsided by some bill

00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Ivan>like this. It's bullshit.

00:48:06.140 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Ivan>Especially saying it's taxes. It was crazy. Okay.

00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Ivan>So very quickly defaulted on the loan. Okay.

00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:20.160
<v Ivan>Donald. Okay. Apparently since he got so much money. Okay. Paid on this. So the price was $375.

00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:24.340
<v Ivan>Apparently agreed to carry $28 million. Okay. All right.

00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Sam>Okay.

00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Ivan>As that. Which by the way. That's, in deals like this, that's not unusual, to be honest.

00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.660
<v Ivan>In some deals where the person made a lot of money and there was like a little

00:48:35.660 --> 00:48:39.940
<v Ivan>piece left over, I've done that in some deal where I've got a property that

00:48:39.940 --> 00:48:43.500
<v Ivan>maybe I have a ton of equity on that the person went and like,

00:48:43.720 --> 00:48:45.940
<v Ivan>maybe, you know, the price was $400,000.

00:48:46.780 --> 00:48:50.820
<v Ivan>Well, they came up to me $370,000 and I figured, you know what,

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.720
<v Ivan>I'll carry a lien for the other $30,000.

00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:59.020
<v Ivan>Okay, you know, whatever. It's not the worst risk. I made a lot of money on

00:48:59.020 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Ivan>it already. I'll carry a note, you know.

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.640
<v Ivan>Well, let it ride. It's part of the profit. I'm just, you know,

00:49:04.680 --> 00:49:07.080
<v Ivan>probably make some more money because I'm getting paid interest. Okay.

00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Ivan>Of course, he defaulted on that too. Okay.

00:49:10.540 --> 00:49:16.540
<v Ivan>So the place went into foreclosure very quickly. Okay. It wound up being foreclosed already in 2024.

00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Ivan>Okay. And there was a foreclosure auction. Okay. In 2024.

00:49:22.340 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Ivan>By the way, in which there was only one bidder. And the winning bid,

00:49:26.720 --> 00:49:32.680
<v Ivan>I remember, paid $375,000, go to foreclosure auction, only one bidder,

00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.100
<v Ivan>the price was $100 million.

00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:41.620
<v Ivan>I mean, it's not, by the way, the hotel business has been booming the last few

00:49:41.620 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Ivan>years, if anybody hasn't noticed, okay? But hotels have been booming.

00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Ivan>I mean, talk about $375 to only fetch $100 million?

00:49:52.840 --> 00:50:00.940
<v Ivan>at foreclosure and you know and i'm like i'm sorry this guy that said that he

00:50:00.940 --> 00:50:05.660
<v Ivan>you know that bought the hotel i still don't understand how the he got the loan

00:50:05.660 --> 00:50:09.460
<v Ivan>who gave him the money why would anybody,

00:50:10.040 --> 00:50:16.660
<v Ivan>knowing the hyper inflated valuation of this willingly go and loan this much

00:50:16.660 --> 00:50:19.820
<v Ivan>money on this property that they knew was,

00:50:20.180 --> 00:50:25.120
<v Ivan>everybody, everybody knew the price was ridiculously sky high.

00:50:25.300 --> 00:50:27.740
<v Ivan>So they wrote that off.

00:50:27.980 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Ivan>But by the way, Donald Trump sued for his $28 million, okay? By the way.

00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:36.040
<v Ivan>And he won a judgment because, of course, Trump sued because he always sued.

00:50:36.200 --> 00:50:36.660
<v Sam>Okay?

00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:40.080
<v Ivan>And he won a judgment for like $30 some odd million or whatever, whatnot.

00:50:40.080 --> 00:50:48.560
<v Ivan>The bottom line is that, once again, another real estate deal that Donald is

00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Ivan>involved, where everything is murky.

00:50:52.580 --> 00:50:57.760
<v Ivan>Pricing, you know, a deal where he buys it that everybody's saying it's impossible to make money.

00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:02.860
<v Ivan>All of a sudden, he gets bailed out by somebody at a sky-high price.

00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, the buyer defaults on it, the source of the money.

00:51:07.240 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Ivan>Who the fuck understands this? I mean, it's and it was a significant amount of money.

00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Ivan>And if you remember, this happened during a period where Trump was under significant

00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.180
<v Ivan>financial pressure because of the lawsuits, because of all this shit happening,

00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.380
<v Ivan>because of judgments, because of all of this shit.

00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:27.160
<v Ivan>He was under a lot of pressure. OK.

00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:33.820
<v Ivan>And lo and behold, voila, a couple of hundred million dollars came out of the sky.

00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:35.260
<v Sam>Right.

00:51:36.340 --> 00:51:37.900
<v Ivan>It's it's always.

00:51:37.900 --> 00:51:44.660
<v Sam>Ivan I am sure the authorities are aggressively investigating this as we speak uh-huh sure.

00:51:46.060 --> 00:51:49.280
<v Ivan>Uh-huh. Nobody gives a shit about this.

00:51:49.620 --> 00:51:51.000
<v Sam>Right. Yeah.

00:51:51.140 --> 00:51:54.780
<v Ivan>But nobody gives a shit about this because there's so much other shit going

00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Ivan>on that this is like, well, whatever.

00:51:59.160 --> 00:52:03.360
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, we've talked about this general problem before,

00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:10.180
<v Sam>but the speed of events, and this was true in Trump's first term.

00:52:10.180 --> 00:52:12.340
<v Sam>It's even more so this term.

00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:20.740
<v Sam>There is so much going on so constantly, so many new things every single week

00:52:20.740 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Sam>that, you know, people did the comparisons to Watergate, right?

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Sam>We've got like 10 new Watergates every week.

00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:30.380
<v Ivan>Every week.

00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:37.040
<v Sam>Every week. And, you know, some of them, you know, much, much more significant

00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:38.500
<v Sam>than Watergate ever was.

00:52:38.600 --> 00:52:38.820
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Sam>Some, some of them about the same, some of them maybe a little bit less,

00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:49.300
<v Sam>but like there's stuff every week that is of that scale or bigger.

00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:52.740
<v Sam>And it's just overwhelming.

00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:53.180
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:52:53.260 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Sam>There's so much of it. Like, like you mentioned this one, if you put a list

00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:03.700
<v Sam>of potential Donald Trump scandals of recent times, maybe this is number 30

00:53:03.700 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Sam>on the list. Maybe, maybe 40.

00:53:06.520 --> 00:53:11.180
<v Ivan>You know, there's another one that came out today with this kind of murky money trail.

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:16.560
<v Ivan>And I think this also, by the way, I saw this and immediately I was like,

00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:19.700
<v Ivan>this isn't for the reasons I think people think it is.

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Ivan>The Dominion voting systems got sold. OK.

00:53:23.660 --> 00:53:24.600
<v Sam>Yes. Yes.

00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:25.640
<v Ivan>And by the way.

00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:27.620
<v Sam>To some conservative group.

00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Ivan>Yeah. But the only reason this happened is because it was such a source of lawsuits

00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:37.380
<v Ivan>and problems. And they were still suing and sent people that,

00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.140
<v Ivan>how do you, how do you eliminate the problem?

00:53:39.700 --> 00:53:42.480
<v Ivan>Buy them. That's it. Done.

00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Ivan>It's fucking crazy.

00:53:47.080 --> 00:53:51.600
<v Ivan>And I guess the, you know, the buyer said that they want, oh,

00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.940
<v Ivan>but the announcement is double better because, okay, not only does conservatives

00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:58.300
<v Ivan>buy it, but they said that, I guess they're ending their technology and they

00:53:58.300 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Ivan>want everybody to go back to paper, something like that.

00:54:02.220 --> 00:54:07.700
<v Sam>Well, if you actually look nationwide at this point, it's in the high 90s in

00:54:07.700 --> 00:54:12.240
<v Sam>terms of the percentage of people who use systems that are paperbacked anyway.

00:54:12.520 --> 00:54:14.760
<v Ivan>Oh, they're paperbacked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:20.180
<v Sam>Yeah, in terms of having a paper trail that's left and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:26.140
<v Sam>And I forget exactly which technologies Dominion was, but yeah, whatever.

00:54:28.720 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Sam>There are many, many concerns about elections and how elections are going to

00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.620
<v Sam>work and how people are going to want to manipulate them in 2026 and beyond.

00:54:39.620 --> 00:54:42.720
<v Sam>I think Dominion is also relatively low on that list.

00:54:42.720 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, but I think it was more about the lawsuits. I really do.

00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.140
<v Ivan>I really think that that was like the main thing. How do I stop in the lawsuits?

00:54:52.460 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Ivan>Hey, buy them out. No more lawsuits. There you go.

00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:01.360
<v Ivan>Problem solved. Hey, how did Donald Trump stop, you know, his legal problems?

00:55:01.900 --> 00:55:04.540
<v Ivan>Take over the Justice Department. Problem solved.

00:55:07.680 --> 00:55:10.140
<v Ivan>Hey, yes, it works. It works.

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:18.780
<v Sam>So with that in mind do you want to transition from the hotel to any other issues we can transition I.

00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:21.700
<v Ivan>Mentioned the Justice Department it was kind of like it was kind of like giving

00:55:21.700 --> 00:55:23.220
<v Ivan>you the off ramp in that direction.

00:55:23.740 --> 00:55:28.860
<v Sam>Well I figure we will let you we will let you control for the rest of this segment

00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Sam>go a little further and then we will take a break and then I will lightning

00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.260
<v Sam>round everything that you have not picked by that well.

00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:37.700
<v Ivan>I mean this whole thing like right now with the Justice Department and like

00:55:37.700 --> 00:55:40.580
<v Ivan>well we got the Comey indictment and now we got Letitia.

00:55:40.580 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Sam>James being indicted. Letitia James.

00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:42.920
<v Ivan>Right.

00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Sam>I was in the process of mispronouncing her name when you said it first,

00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:50.540
<v Sam>because I'm doing so well with that today.

00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:56.600
<v Ivan>With a very flimsy, ridiculous—I mean, I read the fucking—it's stupidly—another

00:55:56.600 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Ivan>ridiculous— It's another two-page.

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Sam>Indictment without that many details.

00:56:00.940 --> 00:56:06.780
<v Ivan>It is so flimsy. And the accusation, which is just—it's the same.

00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:12.000
<v Ivan>It's an accusation that, I mean, nobody gets prosecuted for this.

00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:16.380
<v Ivan>And by the way, here's a, well, it's starting with that, but what they're claiming,

00:56:16.720 --> 00:56:18.940
<v Ivan>which is also facts that,

00:56:20.220 --> 00:56:24.300
<v Ivan>terribly in dispute. The reason why a lot of people don't go into this is because,

00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Ivan>okay, you look at the paperwork and maybe- Describe.

00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:28.600
<v Sam>What they actually.

00:56:28.600 --> 00:56:29.740
<v Ivan>Said she did. Basically, it's

00:56:29.740 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Ivan>the same thing they were trying to go after the lady in the Fed, okay?

00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:40.180
<v Ivan>Which is that in the process of applying for a mortgage that they supposedly

00:56:40.180 --> 00:56:45.040
<v Ivan>misstated that this house is a primary home and not an investment property.

00:56:45.540 --> 00:56:49.540
<v Ivan>And therefore, by doing that, they got a favorable interest rate.

00:56:49.540 --> 00:56:55.620
<v Sam>Wait, just real quick. The Fed one, the accusation is she said it was a primary

00:56:55.620 --> 00:56:57.460
<v Sam>home when really it was a secondary home.

00:56:57.720 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Sam>In this case, it's that she said it was a secondary home, but she never actually

00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Sam>used it as a secondary home. She just rented it out.

00:57:05.420 --> 00:57:13.180
<v Ivan>Okay. So, yeah, it wasn't. Yeah. Okay. So it was a secondary home, but, you know, I mean.

00:57:15.100 --> 00:57:16.520
<v Ivan>and supposedly over.

00:57:16.520 --> 00:57:20.940
<v Sam>The 30 year lifetime of the loan or whatever this is what just under 20 000.

00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:24.660
<v Ivan>They save 20 000 they would save 20 000 which by the way the loan doesn't have

00:57:24.660 --> 00:57:26.160
<v Ivan>20 years as far as i know anyway oh.

00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:27.620
<v Sam>It's not a 30 year it's like.

00:57:27.620 --> 00:57:34.160
<v Ivan>A 10 year 15 or something that okay i mean this was on 2020 so only like five

00:57:34.160 --> 00:57:41.180
<v Ivan>years have elapsed so that would be over the life of the loan There are maybe fucking 25 years.

00:57:41.620 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Ivan>So what we're talking here is not even that. We're talking about a couple of

00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:47.900
<v Ivan>thousand bucks in interest.

00:57:48.160 --> 00:57:51.140
<v Ivan>Maybe if, and by the way, here's a problem.

00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Ivan>This whole thing, the problem is that this accusation is supposedly trying to

00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.160
<v Ivan>read the person's mind and their intention. Because you know what?

00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:06.040
<v Ivan>It's not illegal to buy a house, declaring it as a second home because you think

00:58:06.040 --> 00:58:09.600
<v Ivan>it might be a second home. And then you're changing your mind and deciding to rent it out.

00:58:10.180 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Ivan>That's not illegal. And so unless they tell me that they've got some x-ray vision

00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.220
<v Ivan>into our head to determine, you know, that.

00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.020
<v Sam>I mean, I could do the same with my primary home, right?

00:58:23.020 --> 00:58:23.280
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Sam>I could decide I don't want to live here anymore. I'm going to rent it.

00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.440
<v Ivan>And the fact is not going to force you to refinance.

00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Sam>Right. So that was actually going to be my question. And, you know,

00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:37.580
<v Sam>assuming that everything outlined is true, is this actually a crime?

00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:42.980
<v Sam>Like, I know the numbers are small and this is selectively enforced.

00:58:43.220 --> 00:58:44.240
<v Ivan>Is it a crime? Well...

00:58:45.390 --> 00:58:47.790
<v Sam>Presumably the motivation has something to do with it, right?

00:58:47.870 --> 00:58:50.550
<v Sam>You have to go in there with the intent of defrauding.

00:58:50.770 --> 00:58:58.230
<v Ivan>Yes. By the way, even the law says that if it's just an omission, it's okay.

00:58:58.930 --> 00:59:01.350
<v Ivan>So if you made a mistake...

00:59:02.130 --> 00:59:06.510
<v Sam>Or if it's the scenario that you said. She intended to use it as a vacation.

00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:13.730
<v Ivan>It's totally legal. This is about as stupid, you know...

00:59:14.370 --> 00:59:18.030
<v Sam>Well this is another scenario and it's it's the same and.

00:59:18.030 --> 00:59:21.270
<v Ivan>By the way according to what i heard about letitia james was apparently there

00:59:21.270 --> 00:59:25.070
<v Ivan>was a there was some papers that did say that but apparently that she corrected

00:59:25.070 --> 00:59:27.230
<v Ivan>them is what i what i read today.

00:59:27.230 --> 00:59:34.930
<v Sam>Well this just this just like comey and involving the same players this was

00:59:34.930 --> 00:59:40.710
<v Sam>another one where the person resigned because he said there was no evidence.

00:59:40.970 --> 00:59:45.910
<v Sam>Actually, the initial reporting was he resigned because of Letitia James.

00:59:46.050 --> 00:59:48.210
<v Sam>It only later came out that it was also Comey.

00:59:48.710 --> 00:59:52.790
<v Sam>He resigned because they were pressuring him to indict in both these cases,

00:59:52.790 --> 00:59:56.730
<v Sam>and he did his investigation and found no reason to indict.

00:59:56.930 --> 00:59:57.290
<v Ivan>Exactly.

00:59:57.830 --> 00:59:58.970
<v Sam>Like, he found...

00:59:58.970 --> 01:00:03.470
<v Ivan>And once again, there's not... Lindsay Halligan couldn't find anybody in the

01:00:03.470 --> 01:00:08.110
<v Ivan>office that wanted to sign this indictment either because nobody would put their

01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:12.850
<v Ivan>name to this piece of shit, okay? And she wound up having to do it herself again.

01:00:13.170 --> 01:00:17.990
<v Ivan>At least I will say this. This time it seemed like they learned to use some spell check.

01:00:19.710 --> 01:00:27.590
<v Sam>Although, apparently, in the indictment, they misidentify where Letitia James lives.

01:00:27.750 --> 01:00:28.270
<v Ivan>Oh, of course!

01:00:29.290 --> 01:00:32.730
<v Sam>They got the name of the town right, but they said it was in New Jersey.

01:00:33.090 --> 01:00:36.610
<v Ivan>Of course they did. Of course they you know, of course they did.

01:00:38.740 --> 01:00:46.140
<v Ivan>I mean, this whole document is like, the counts, you know, it's five,

01:00:46.220 --> 01:00:48.700
<v Ivan>it's five, well, four, four pages.

01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.420
<v Ivan>So, yeah, two pages double-sided, yeah? Okay?

01:00:51.640 --> 01:00:52.020
<v Sam>Right, right.

01:00:52.060 --> 01:00:52.240
<v Ivan>Yeah?

01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:57.220
<v Ivan>I mean, you couldn't even get that right.

01:00:58.600 --> 01:01:05.720
<v Sam>Well, and this brings us back to, like, that these will probably get dismissed.

01:01:05.720 --> 01:01:09.420
<v Sam>There's a good chance of it because there's also, by the way,

01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:13.200
<v Sam>the legal talking heads who've been talking about both these cases.

01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.020
<v Sam>What's her name again? Halligan and again.

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:16.240
<v Ivan>Lindsay Halligan.

01:01:16.700 --> 01:01:17.860
<v Sam>Lindsay Halligan.

01:01:18.060 --> 01:01:25.140
<v Ivan>Another one that, by the way, was picked. By the way, another one of her qualifications

01:01:25.140 --> 01:01:29.460
<v Ivan>that I saw was that she was in some beauty pageant as well again.

01:01:29.680 --> 01:01:34.380
<v Sam>Of course. But here's the thing. for both of them.

01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Sam>Apparently, the way she was put into this position did not follow the rules.

01:01:41.060 --> 01:01:41.160
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:01:41.460 --> 01:01:44.140
<v Sam>She is not legally in this position.

01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:44.460
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:51.060
<v Sam>So they are likely to move to dismiss for at least two different reasons.

01:01:51.460 --> 01:01:58.860
<v Sam>One is the only person who signed the indictment was not in a legal position to do so.

01:01:58.860 --> 01:01:59.140
<v Ivan>Right.

01:02:00.200 --> 01:02:06.020
<v Sam>And two, vindictive and selective prosecution where the primary evidence is

01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Sam>a post that Donald Trump made on Truth Social.

01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.420
<v Sam>Specifically saying to go after these two.

01:02:11.580 --> 01:02:11.780
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:18.340
<v Sam>And by the way, the third name in that post was Schiff, Senator Schiff from California.

01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:23.220
<v Sam>So presumably the indictment against him is coming any day now.

01:02:23.560 --> 01:02:25.840
<v Sam>And we'll have all of the same flaws.

01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:27.580
<v Ivan>Yes. Yeah, great.

01:02:27.580 --> 01:02:32.080
<v Sam>But here's the thing, and we talked about this when it happened to Comey.

01:02:32.930 --> 01:02:40.110
<v Sam>I don't know if Donald Trump even cares. Like, even if this gets thrown out, he has made his point.

01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:46.730
<v Sam>He has he has indicted his enemies. He has caused them to spend money on legal defense.

01:02:46.830 --> 01:02:54.190
<v Sam>He has proven that he can he can direct the Justice Department to indict whoever

01:02:54.190 --> 01:02:56.630
<v Sam>the hell he wants, regardless of the evidence.

01:02:57.390 --> 01:03:01.210
<v Ivan>I mean, I mean, it's quite a pyrrhic victory, can I be honest?

01:03:01.210 --> 01:03:08.110
<v Ivan>This victory is only for his own personal vindictiveness.

01:03:08.590 --> 01:03:13.730
<v Sam>That's it. But Ivan, that's all he cares about. That's his whole life.

01:03:13.970 --> 01:03:16.910
<v Ivan>What a fucked up way to live a life.

01:03:17.870 --> 01:03:21.250
<v Sam>That and making sure the money keeps rolling in.

01:03:21.490 --> 01:03:24.070
<v Ivan>Yeah. What a fucked up way to live a life.

01:03:24.250 --> 01:03:27.570
<v Sam>Oh, and that you can hurt brown people wherever possible.

01:03:27.610 --> 01:03:32.050
<v Ivan>Well, that's definitely the top of his list. As I also shared a story on the

01:03:32.050 --> 01:03:37.390
<v Ivan>Slack about how basically, you know, Trump is, anybody that's black,

01:03:37.590 --> 01:03:41.990
<v Ivan>they're like first on the list to get fired.

01:03:43.010 --> 01:03:43.570
<v Sam>Surprise.

01:03:43.910 --> 01:03:45.970
<v Ivan>I mean, that's not racist, is it?

01:03:46.370 --> 01:03:47.950
<v Sam>Oh, of course not.

01:03:48.050 --> 01:03:48.330
<v Ivan>Nah.

01:03:49.010 --> 01:03:51.410
<v Sam>He's judging things purely on their merits.

01:03:51.670 --> 01:03:52.670
<v Ivan>Purely on their merits, yes.

01:03:53.110 --> 01:03:58.070
<v Sam>Purely on their merits. I'm obviously sarcastic here, in case anybody can't tell.

01:03:58.070 --> 01:04:01.190
<v Ivan>If anybody can't tell, yes, our sarcasm, we're laying it really,

01:04:01.330 --> 01:04:05.750
<v Ivan>really, really, really, really, really, really, really thick. Just make sure, okay?

01:04:06.810 --> 01:04:10.570
<v Ivan>Oh, yes. Be ditto.

01:04:14.590 --> 01:04:20.970
<v Sam>Look, that point being made about like, he'll indict anybody if you cross him,

01:04:21.250 --> 01:04:29.070
<v Sam>has power even if these start getting dismissed because there's not that much to them.

01:04:29.170 --> 01:04:33.310
<v Sam>Because one of these days he will find one that sticks. He will get the right

01:04:33.310 --> 01:04:36.150
<v Sam>grand jury. He will get the right judge. He will get the right jury.

01:04:37.290 --> 01:04:41.350
<v Ivan>Well, one of these days maybe he'll find a criminal if he really looks at it.

01:04:41.350 --> 01:04:45.510
<v Sam>And right, yeah. I'm sure he can. There are plenty of criminals around that

01:04:45.510 --> 01:04:47.390
<v Sam>are also enemies of Donald Trump. Right.

01:04:47.650 --> 01:04:49.730
<v Ivan>I'm sure that maybe at some point they'll be right.

01:04:50.270 --> 01:04:54.970
<v Sam>Remember what's his name? What's that guy who is defending the porn star and

01:04:54.970 --> 01:04:56.170
<v Sam>is now in jail? Oh, Avenatti.

01:04:56.310 --> 01:04:56.750
<v Ivan>Avenatti.

01:04:57.050 --> 01:04:59.230
<v Sam>Avenatti. There you go. There's a good example.

01:04:59.590 --> 01:05:03.590
<v Ivan>I figured that he would pardon him. He'd like it. After he figured out he was

01:05:03.590 --> 01:05:06.910
<v Ivan>a scammer, he'd probably love him. Fucking give him a pardon.

01:05:08.030 --> 01:05:12.450
<v Sam>Yeah. So, look, yes, he will undoubtedly find a real criminal at some point

01:05:12.450 --> 01:05:15.430
<v Sam>as well, in which case, by all means, go after them.

01:05:15.550 --> 01:05:21.090
<v Sam>But the thing is, even there, the selectivity is the important part of this.

01:05:21.170 --> 01:05:27.490
<v Sam>Because a couple of people have done a quick perusal of mortgage documents for

01:05:27.490 --> 01:05:29.070
<v Sam>people in Donald Trump's cabinet.

01:05:29.270 --> 01:05:30.930
<v Ivan>Oh, they all have done the same or worse.

01:05:30.930 --> 01:05:36.550
<v Sam>Well, they found at least three that have done the same or worse in terms of

01:05:36.550 --> 01:05:41.410
<v Sam>declaring things as a primary residence where they didn't live and things like that.

01:05:42.170 --> 01:05:45.990
<v Sam>And are they being gone after? No. Of course not.

01:05:46.290 --> 01:05:51.930
<v Sam>And we also have the Justice Department deciding not to investigate any way

01:05:51.930 --> 01:05:53.630
<v Sam>the guy. What's his name?

01:05:54.170 --> 01:05:59.690
<v Sam>Hoden. Hoden. I'm so bad with names. The guy who took the $50,000 in cash.

01:05:59.750 --> 01:06:01.670
<v Ivan>Oh, Holman. Tom Holman.

01:06:02.370 --> 01:06:03.170
<v Sam>Tom Homan.

01:06:03.450 --> 01:06:03.570
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:06:03.830 --> 01:06:08.350
<v Sam>Now, I did see some legal analysis, by the way, that said, actually,

01:06:08.350 --> 01:06:11.670
<v Sam>it may have been hard to make that case against him.

01:06:11.670 --> 01:06:17.870
<v Ivan>Oh, I know. I mean, I read why, especially because he wasn't in the administration at the time.

01:06:17.870 --> 01:06:25.530
<v Sam>Yeah, which apparently, by the way, that's a cool loophole that apparently with

01:06:25.530 --> 01:06:30.690
<v Sam>our current laws and the current Supreme Court rulings that they've been made

01:06:30.690 --> 01:06:34.230
<v Sam>weakening bribery statutes for the last couple of decades,

01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:42.290
<v Sam>it may actually be perfectly legal to if you have been appointed to a government job,

01:06:42.470 --> 01:06:45.450
<v Sam>but you are not in that job yet. And he wasn't even appointed yet.

01:06:45.590 --> 01:06:49.650
<v Sam>He just anticipated that he was going to be. Right, right. which makes it even further out.

01:06:50.190 --> 01:06:55.090
<v Sam>But if you, even if you were like the way it works, by the way,

01:06:55.410 --> 01:06:59.390
<v Sam>like when people, when president elects announced their cabinet,

01:06:59.690 --> 01:07:03.730
<v Sam>they can't actually appoint anybody until they're president,

01:07:03.730 --> 01:07:09.550
<v Sam>but they announce it between the election and the inauguration so that Congress

01:07:09.550 --> 01:07:12.750
<v Sam>can get a move on doing their hearings and stuff.

01:07:12.790 --> 01:07:16.870
<v Sam>But the official nomination can't happen until you're actually president.

01:07:17.110 --> 01:07:23.490
<v Sam>So in this whole middle zone where you have a fairly good idea that you're going

01:07:23.490 --> 01:07:27.050
<v Sam>to be a high government official but you aren't actually one yet. So at that point.

01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:31.290
<v Ivan>You could just open the cash register and just grab every fucking dime you can.

01:07:32.230 --> 01:07:38.450
<v Sam>Absolutely. You could take all the money you want because the bribery statutes

01:07:38.450 --> 01:07:41.510
<v Sam>only apply to people who are actually in office.

01:07:42.030 --> 01:07:43.170
<v Ivan>Motherfucking hell.

01:07:46.190 --> 01:07:51.750
<v Sam>Even though they have him on camera accepting a bag of cash,

01:07:51.750 --> 01:07:56.530
<v Sam>$50,000 of cash, which apparently he has not had to give back either.

01:07:56.570 --> 01:08:01.550
<v Sam>He's got, he got to keep that money, even though it was part of a sting operation

01:08:01.550 --> 01:08:04.030
<v Sam>where the government just handed him the 50 grand.

01:08:06.610 --> 01:08:12.770
<v Sam>And yeah. So, but anyways, they were continuing the investigation after Donald

01:08:12.770 --> 01:08:19.270
<v Sam>Trump took office, presumably to see if you got the other end of the quid pro quo,

01:08:19.530 --> 01:08:25.150
<v Sam>because then maybe you could still make some sort of case that even though he got the money before,

01:08:26.150 --> 01:08:30.890
<v Sam>you know, he did the action after and maybe you could still make that case.

01:08:31.590 --> 01:08:35.870
<v Sam>Maybe you could do something if he didn't declare it properly on his taxes.

01:08:36.430 --> 01:08:36.590
<v Ivan>Right.

01:08:36.930 --> 01:08:38.230
<v Sam>You know, although someone.

01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:43.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, my question is, did he really filed a 50, that would be the one where

01:08:43.670 --> 01:08:46.790
<v Ivan>he could get caught. If he didn't declare it.

01:08:47.270 --> 01:08:52.330
<v Sam>Also, I heard a couple of legal experts where they were asking the question,

01:08:52.690 --> 01:08:55.550
<v Sam>okay, from a legal tax point of view,

01:08:56.370 --> 01:09:03.650
<v Sam>Is the bribe income considered income at the time you receive it or only once

01:09:03.650 --> 01:09:06.410
<v Sam>you do the action that you were being paid for?

01:09:06.930 --> 01:09:10.110
<v Ivan>No, it's at the time you receive it. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

01:09:10.490 --> 01:09:14.490
<v Sam>Because apparently this is uncharted legal territory because there are certain

01:09:14.490 --> 01:09:17.990
<v Sam>things where you can defer the income if it was paid for a specific act.

01:09:19.850 --> 01:09:23.670
<v Ivan>Yes, if for some reason it required you to follow through.

01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:29.050
<v Ivan>So basically, it's kind of like in a contract where if you give money and you're

01:09:29.050 --> 01:09:31.950
<v Ivan>supposed to deliver on something, but you didn't deliver on it,

01:09:32.030 --> 01:09:35.030
<v Ivan>then it's not considered. But here's the thing.

01:09:35.310 --> 01:09:38.190
<v Sam>Because it's not income yet, you would have to give it back.

01:09:38.290 --> 01:09:42.070
<v Ivan>If you had to give it back. But here's the thing. He hasn't given the money back.

01:09:42.250 --> 01:09:45.710
<v Ivan>So unless there was a contract signed that said, hey, the money needs to be

01:09:45.710 --> 01:09:46.790
<v Ivan>refundable or something.

01:09:47.170 --> 01:09:51.610
<v Ivan>Hey, this is only if you pull through. But that's it. It's one of these things

01:09:51.610 --> 01:09:56.630
<v Ivan>about contracts, whether something is refundable or not refundable.

01:09:56.950 --> 01:09:59.870
<v Sam>It doesn't matter in the end because they dropped the investigation.

01:09:59.870 --> 01:10:04.270
<v Sam>So even if he didn't declare it on his taxes or he declared it in the wrong

01:10:04.270 --> 01:10:07.230
<v Sam>year or whatever, nobody's looking.

01:10:08.650 --> 01:10:15.390
<v Sam>And basically, also just to put an even bigger point on it, they shut down the

01:10:15.390 --> 01:10:19.170
<v Sam>public corruption office at the DOJ.

01:10:19.830 --> 01:10:21.650
<v Ivan>Completely? There's nobody?

01:10:22.270 --> 01:10:28.490
<v Sam>I think if they didn't shut it down completely, they reduced it by like 90%

01:10:28.490 --> 01:10:29.990
<v Sam>in terms of the staffing or something.

01:10:30.410 --> 01:10:35.290
<v Sam>Like, they basically outright declared, this is not something that we're going

01:10:35.290 --> 01:10:40.910
<v Sam>to spend any time on. So if you want to be corrupt in your public office, go for it.

01:10:41.370 --> 01:10:44.350
<v Ivan>Listen, they said that they weren't going to investigate like...

01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:49.830
<v Ivan>Companies like us, multinationals, where I work at, for FCPA violations.

01:10:50.590 --> 01:10:56.370
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, I heard a discussion, some people talking about this,

01:10:56.450 --> 01:11:00.630
<v Ivan>not at my company, but people talking about, well, what the fuck?

01:11:00.630 --> 01:11:03.230
<v Ivan>I mean, let's just go bribe people. What the hell? Get business.

01:11:03.930 --> 01:11:08.770
<v Ivan>I mean, what the hell? Nobody's going to do anything. now the one problem with

01:11:08.770 --> 01:11:11.650
<v Ivan>this by the way is that you're.

01:11:11.650 --> 01:11:14.310
<v Sam>You're you're gambling that they won't change their minds.

01:11:14.310 --> 01:11:17.130
<v Ivan>Or or no or you're

01:11:17.130 --> 01:11:22.270
<v Ivan>also gambling i mean i don't think you know what you know that what these guys

01:11:22.270 --> 01:11:29.430
<v Ivan>stay in power because statute of limitations of that isn't that short um so

01:11:29.430 --> 01:11:34.270
<v Ivan>if the next administration says well we're going back you know and and investigating

01:11:34.270 --> 01:11:35.770
<v Ivan>this shit that wasn't investigated,

01:11:35.790 --> 01:11:38.610
<v Ivan>then you're fucked. So that's a big gamble.

01:11:38.830 --> 01:11:43.150
<v Sam>Well, and that applies to a few other things where Donald Trump has basically

01:11:43.150 --> 01:11:47.110
<v Sam>said, we're not going to enforce the law on XYZ.

01:11:47.310 --> 01:11:50.910
<v Sam>Yeah, the next administration could change their mind. But I think it's an even

01:11:50.910 --> 01:11:56.290
<v Sam>bigger risk that this administration could change their mind at any random moment.

01:11:56.410 --> 01:11:56.810
<v Ivan>That's true.

01:11:57.030 --> 01:12:00.910
<v Sam>Because the law is the law and they could change their mind selectively.

01:12:01.130 --> 01:12:01.230
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:12:01.350 --> 01:12:05.270
<v Sam>Oh, you pissed us off? okay, we will enforce it against you.

01:12:05.450 --> 01:12:05.850
<v Ivan>We will enforce it against you.

01:12:06.290 --> 01:12:12.550
<v Sam>Right. That's the whole point of this. And, you know, one of the things that I think we have to,

01:12:12.890 --> 01:12:20.750
<v Sam>look, it's just the reality now, is that the DOJ is now the enforcement arm

01:12:20.750 --> 01:12:22.470
<v Sam>for Donald Trump's will.

01:12:22.690 --> 01:12:22.790
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:12:23.070 --> 01:12:30.550
<v Sam>You know, it has nothing to do with what the law actually says is legal or illegal.

01:12:30.550 --> 01:12:34.510
<v Sam>it is about, are you a target? Did you piss him off?

01:12:35.130 --> 01:12:42.210
<v Sam>And he will, if, if he likes you, he will wave them away from whatever bad thing you are doing.

01:12:42.630 --> 01:12:50.250
<v Sam>And if he doesn't like you, he will sick them after you for anything they can find real or imagined.

01:12:50.790 --> 01:12:55.490
<v Sam>And if they find something real, you're screwed because you know,

01:12:55.650 --> 01:12:57.710
<v Sam>they'll be able to actually convict you on it.

01:12:57.950 --> 01:13:02.010
<v Sam>If they can't find anything real, well, they'll still indict you.

01:13:02.230 --> 01:13:04.150
<v Sam>Right. And they'll still make...

01:13:04.150 --> 01:13:06.090
<v Ivan>They'll make their life miserable anyway.

01:13:06.350 --> 01:13:10.090
<v Sam>They will make your life miserable, and if you don't have deep pockets,

01:13:10.210 --> 01:13:12.310
<v Sam>they'll bankrupt you trying to defend yourself.

01:13:13.350 --> 01:13:13.950
<v Ivan>Yep.

01:13:14.890 --> 01:13:15.130
<v Sam>Yep.

01:13:16.090 --> 01:13:19.550
<v Ivan>Wow. Such a... Okay.

01:13:20.130 --> 01:13:23.910
<v Sam>Shall we take another break and then lightning round through the rest of the stuff?

01:13:24.770 --> 01:13:26.010
<v Ivan>Let's break it up.

01:13:26.810 --> 01:13:32.070
<v Sam>Okay. Okay, here comes a breaky break. Enjoy.

01:13:32.390 --> 01:13:32.750
<v Ivan>Breaky.

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01:14:09.590 --> 01:14:12.610
<v Sam>Okay, let's lighten around this other stuff.

01:14:12.810 --> 01:14:20.450
<v Sam>Let me start off with just, I've had this iPhone 17 Pro Max for a few weeks now.

01:14:20.490 --> 01:14:20.610
<v Ivan>Oh!

01:14:21.590 --> 01:14:28.190
<v Sam>And I will just say, compared to the 12, I had lots of upgrades,

01:14:28.350 --> 01:14:29.710
<v Sam>lots of advantages, blah, blah, blah.

01:14:29.710 --> 01:14:35.470
<v Sam>But by far the biggest one, the battery life on this thing is like,

01:14:35.590 --> 01:14:40.250
<v Sam>compared to my degraded five-year-old battery that I know I could have replaced.

01:14:40.250 --> 01:14:42.310
<v Sam>They have programs to do that, but I hadn't.

01:14:43.050 --> 01:14:46.970
<v Sam>You know, this thing, like I am ending the day.

01:14:47.270 --> 01:14:51.050
<v Sam>Like I'm looking at this thing right now. And admittedly, I like,

01:14:51.410 --> 01:14:55.030
<v Sam>you know, it charges while I'm driving back and forth from work as well.

01:14:55.150 --> 01:14:58.290
<v Sam>But we're near the end of the day. I'm at 73%.

01:14:58.290 --> 01:14:59.250
<v Ivan>Nice. Nice.

01:14:59.710 --> 01:15:04.010
<v Sam>You know, now on a weekend where I'm heavily using it the whole time and I'm

01:15:04.010 --> 01:15:09.110
<v Sam>not like doing non-phone stuff at work and stuff, I can be down.

01:15:10.230 --> 01:15:15.270
<v Sam>I've hit 20% a couple of times. Like when I was off in Toronto last week and

01:15:15.270 --> 01:15:20.510
<v Sam>I was doing stuff and I, you know, whatever, I did get down to 20% a couple of times, but.

01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:24.920
<v Sam>I, it's, it's, it lasts a long time.

01:15:25.340 --> 01:15:26.160
<v Ivan>Well, good.

01:15:26.480 --> 01:15:31.280
<v Sam>And I, and I enjoy that and I plug it in at night, get to a hundred percent, blah, blah, blah.

01:15:31.480 --> 01:15:35.760
<v Sam>But you know, I'm coming from a world that where I carried around a spare battery

01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.180
<v Sam>with me because I'd always be low by the end of the day, you know,

01:15:40.280 --> 01:15:44.620
<v Sam>or I would make, make sure to plug in every time I could, you know.

01:15:44.620 --> 01:15:52.580
<v Ivan>I just today, I had, a couple of days ago, my wife's first friend in Columbia,

01:15:52.900 --> 01:15:59.980
<v Ivan>she had bought an iPhone 13 that she had sent me money to go get her at the

01:15:59.980 --> 01:16:02.740
<v Ivan>Apple store a few years back, whenever that phone was out.

01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:07.460
<v Ivan>Unfortunately, she was out and about with her baby in a stroller.

01:16:07.700 --> 01:16:09.880
<v Ivan>She had put the phone like in her purse.

01:16:10.420 --> 01:16:13.180
<v Ivan>Somebody went and swiped it from her purse, stole the phone.

01:16:13.180 --> 01:16:17.100
<v Ivan>okay just a couple of days ago good and

01:16:17.100 --> 01:16:20.320
<v Ivan>it was an iphone 13 not a pro now my wife

01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:24.400
<v Ivan>i'd gotten her an iphone 16 last year and you

01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Ivan>know me i keep the phones in good shape i had her own iphone 13 pro which i

01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:33.100
<v Ivan>always keep like one of those phones as a spare to give away okay i've given

01:16:33.100 --> 01:16:38.120
<v Ivan>away not i've given away a whole bunch of these phones like that and shit i

01:16:38.120 --> 01:16:40.700
<v Ivan>mean what's old me well swipe the phone And I'm like,

01:16:41.160 --> 01:16:44.480
<v Ivan>look, now with the exchange rates and shit to get a new phone in Columbia,

01:16:44.580 --> 01:16:49.580
<v Ivan>the prices and local purchasing power, it's quite onerous.

01:16:49.740 --> 01:16:54.660
<v Ivan>OK, so I was like, you know, she had had some issues with, you know,

01:16:54.740 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Ivan>she's not with the dad of the of the of the baby and the guy is not paying his child support and shit.

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.800
<v Ivan>So so, you know, all of a sudden she swiped out of her phone.

01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:07.180
<v Ivan>So whatever. And I was like, look, I checked the phone and I realized the battery

01:17:07.180 --> 01:17:11.760
<v Ivan>life was was low. So, but I went, you know, I did the appointment yesterday. I went my lunch.

01:17:12.020 --> 01:17:15.320
<v Ivan>I went and I made, I made an appointment at the Apple store, like at 1220.

01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.440
<v Ivan>I drove over there to the mall.

01:17:17.900 --> 01:17:20.860
<v Ivan>I dropped off the phone real quick. I went at lunch.

01:17:21.590 --> 01:17:25.250
<v Ivan>And by the time I got back from lunch, they had put a brand new battery on it

01:17:25.250 --> 01:17:30.110
<v Ivan>for $99, and I shipped it off to Columbia now so they can get a new phone.

01:17:30.250 --> 01:17:34.570
<v Ivan>So the battery swap, I'll tell you what, 99, listen, 99 bucks.

01:17:35.450 --> 01:17:39.630
<v Ivan>I mean, I did it during my lunch. It's not like it took me out of the day or whatever.

01:17:39.750 --> 01:17:44.850
<v Ivan>I just went over there, dropped it off, said, hey, no problem. Come back in an hour.

01:17:45.050 --> 01:17:49.930
<v Sam>Here we go. I mean, in my case, if the battery had gotten really bad like a

01:17:49.930 --> 01:17:53.070
<v Sam>year and a half ago, I probably would have bothered with that.

01:17:53.150 --> 01:17:57.150
<v Sam>But it didn't start getting really bad until I knew I was only a few months

01:17:57.150 --> 01:17:58.790
<v Sam>away from replacing it. So I didn't bother.

01:17:58.990 --> 01:18:02.810
<v Sam>But this reminds me, I know we're lightning around two other things,

01:18:02.910 --> 01:18:04.490
<v Sam>but I have one more phone-related story.

01:18:05.270 --> 01:18:06.190
<v Ivan>Ah, more phones.

01:18:06.850 --> 01:18:08.670
<v Sam>This is my wife's phone.

01:18:08.830 --> 01:18:09.070
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:18:09.070 --> 01:18:13.810
<v Sam>While I was in Toronto, I had finished doing stuff with my sister,

01:18:13.990 --> 01:18:18.470
<v Sam>her husband, and baby, and I was back at the Airbnb, and I was actually getting

01:18:18.470 --> 01:18:20.410
<v Sam>ready to edit last week's podcast.

01:18:21.350 --> 01:18:25.350
<v Sam>When I get a text from a friend of my wife.

01:18:25.490 --> 01:18:25.850
<v Ivan>Oh, boy.

01:18:26.630 --> 01:18:33.730
<v Sam>Hi, Sam. So-and-so here. Brandy wants me to let you know that she has misplaced her phone.

01:18:34.470 --> 01:18:37.230
<v Sam>We are having dinner with blah, blah, blah, somebody else.

01:18:37.230 --> 01:18:39.890
<v Sam>she will do another sweep of the

01:18:39.890 --> 01:18:43.130
<v Sam>places she has been and if she can't find it she

01:18:43.130 --> 01:18:48.230
<v Sam>will stop at the apple store on the way home okay so

01:18:48.230 --> 01:18:54.790
<v Sam>you know obviously first thought is i've misplaced my phone fine fine so my

01:18:54.790 --> 01:18:59.450
<v Sam>immediate response is i had already noticed that i had not gotten i had checked

01:18:59.450 --> 01:19:05.010
<v Sam>find my a couple times for her and and the last location was two hours old so

01:19:05.010 --> 01:19:06.970
<v Sam>i'm like okay She let her battery dial.

01:19:07.130 --> 01:19:07.350
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:19:07.670 --> 01:19:13.250
<v Sam>Okay. And, but of course, her first thought, I misplaced my phone. I'll buy a new one.

01:19:13.370 --> 01:19:13.550
<v Ivan>Right.

01:19:14.470 --> 01:19:15.870
<v Sam>That's immediate first thought.

01:19:15.870 --> 01:19:16.030
<v Ivan>Makes sense.

01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:23.030
<v Sam>You know? Okay. Okay. But I did, the last known location was where she was.

01:19:23.750 --> 01:19:27.690
<v Sam>She comes, she borrows her friend's phone and is talking to me.

01:19:27.890 --> 01:19:31.510
<v Sam>She's like, I had turned it off while I was at this event.

01:19:31.610 --> 01:19:34.530
<v Sam>She was at like a memorial service or something. So she turned it off.

01:19:34.530 --> 01:19:37.490
<v Sam>and she's like i went to put my coat

01:19:37.490 --> 01:19:40.610
<v Sam>in the car and then went back in i don't remember

01:19:40.610 --> 01:19:46.830
<v Sam>using it since then i'll check the car third time and i'm like did you turn

01:19:46.830 --> 01:19:49.550
<v Sam>it off because the battery was low or you didn't want to interrupt the service

01:19:49.550 --> 01:19:52.290
<v Sam>because you know you could just turn on silent yeah that's what i was saying

01:19:52.290 --> 01:19:59.570
<v Sam>yeah whatever she's like i didn't find it inside no one cleaning up has seen it.

01:20:01.430 --> 01:20:06.030
<v Sam>She's like, I had a piece of cake and I had that balanced on top of my phone

01:20:06.030 --> 01:20:10.590
<v Sam>and then a guy came by collecting trash and I think there's a chance I put it

01:20:10.590 --> 01:20:12.010
<v Sam>in the trash with my plate.

01:20:12.980 --> 01:20:22.460
<v Ivan>You guys are, I will say that the one thing about you guys is that you guys are really, how do I say?

01:20:22.780 --> 01:20:27.760
<v Ivan>It's, it's, you guys are in sync in doing this kind of buffoonery. Yes.

01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.040
<v Sam>And I'm like, you know, that was before the thing with the coat.

01:20:32.100 --> 01:20:35.340
<v Sam>I haven't looked, it hasn't had a location in the last two hours.

01:20:35.660 --> 01:20:36.980
<v Sam>Did you search the trash?

01:20:37.540 --> 01:20:42.320
<v Sam>and then i'm like i'm gonna go tell find my to make it deep even though it hasn't

01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:44.180
<v Sam>had a location in like two hours right i.

01:20:44.180 --> 01:20:49.360
<v Ivan>Think that yeah because it's supposed to be able to if it's still got battery and you lost it even if.

01:20:49.360 --> 01:20:54.520
<v Sam>You're trying to like turn it off my assumption was that it hadn't located in

01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:58.580
<v Sam>two hours because the battery was dead because she lets her battery die all the time okay,

01:21:00.040 --> 01:21:03.720
<v Sam>but oh and she says i couldn't find it in the trash bag but there are about

01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:05.240
<v Sam>a dozen in the dumpster that she

01:21:05.240 --> 01:21:09.360
<v Sam>couldn't reach so she was searching the trash for the phone okay oh man,

01:21:10.300 --> 01:21:17.600
<v Sam>and then i made a beep and i'm like it says it's playing the sound and has battery okay so,

01:21:18.500 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Sam>then she's like okay but i'm in the restaurant with the people i was with so

01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:28.940
<v Sam>i'll let you know when i'm back out and can you add a lost phone note and i

01:21:28.940 --> 01:21:32.340
<v Sam>i said yes i'll add the lost phone note But I'm like,

01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.940
<v Sam>but it's locating in the parking lot.

01:21:36.240 --> 01:21:39.960
<v Sam>So it's either in the car and you couldn't find it or on the floor or under

01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.060
<v Sam>the car or it's on the ground. And I'm like, if it's on the ground,

01:21:43.260 --> 01:21:45.380
<v Sam>you should you should step out of the restaurant.

01:21:45.500 --> 01:21:46.320
<v Ivan>Yeah, I get it. Right.

01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:51.100
<v Sam>Before someone runs over it or steals it or whatever. OK.

01:21:51.780 --> 01:21:57.800
<v Sam>And she replied to that. And I had said that I'd put the the lost phone notice on it.

01:21:57.900 --> 01:22:00.760
<v Sam>And she says, OK, text if you get a response.

01:22:01.100 --> 01:22:08.040
<v Sam>Now, I thought when she said okay, she was saying okay till she'll run out to the parking lot.

01:22:08.140 --> 01:22:12.180
<v Sam>So I immediately say, okay, I will beep it over and over again for five minutes.

01:22:13.150 --> 01:22:19.750
<v Sam>Now, actually, she was saying okay to thank you for putting the lost notice on it.

01:22:19.870 --> 01:22:22.270
<v Sam>She was not leaving the dinner she was at.

01:22:22.750 --> 01:22:27.170
<v Sam>So I sit there beeping it for five minutes. She's not even out.

01:22:27.350 --> 01:22:31.990
<v Sam>At the end of it, I'm like, okay, I beeped it for five minutes. Should I do it again?

01:22:32.430 --> 01:22:35.690
<v Sam>And she's like, no, I'm not out. I'm not out of the parking lot.

01:22:35.830 --> 01:22:43.150
<v Sam>I'll tell you what I am. I'm like, aren't you at all urgent about this?

01:22:43.250 --> 01:22:46.510
<v Sam>I recognize you're at a restaurant, but just step out for a minute.

01:22:47.070 --> 01:22:49.730
<v Ivan>Apparently the answer is no at this point. Okay.

01:22:50.670 --> 01:22:53.390
<v Sam>The restaurant was like right across the street from the parking lot.

01:22:53.470 --> 01:22:56.430
<v Sam>It wasn't like it was a half mile away that they'd walk to or something.

01:22:59.230 --> 01:23:03.830
<v Sam>Anyway, when she finally got out, she said she'd looked at the car twice already.

01:23:03.830 --> 01:23:05.270
<v Sam>She was going to go look again.

01:23:06.030 --> 01:23:09.710
<v Sam>And when she gets out, she'll, she'll let me know when she's at the car.

01:23:10.210 --> 01:23:12.130
<v Sam>She gets back out to the car.

01:23:12.670 --> 01:23:18.370
<v Sam>And anyway, I, I, I, she says, we're now looking for it. I start to make the thing beep again.

01:23:19.230 --> 01:23:23.910
<v Sam>And then she sends me a picture. The phone was on top of the car.

01:23:26.450 --> 01:23:29.950
<v Sam>She'd looked in the car. She had not looked on top of the car.

01:23:30.290 --> 01:23:32.750
<v Sam>And she texted me. I would never have looked there.

01:23:33.310 --> 01:23:33.730
<v Ivan>Never.

01:23:33.730 --> 01:23:37.150
<v Sam>Never in a million years I would not have looked there. I would have driven

01:23:37.150 --> 01:23:40.390
<v Sam>away to go buy my new phone with the phone on top.

01:23:40.430 --> 01:23:45.170
<v Ivan>So, you know, I got the story of the guy over here who's my boss's boss's boss,

01:23:45.230 --> 01:23:47.470
<v Ivan>who one time he had this Audi.

01:23:48.170 --> 01:23:52.430
<v Ivan>He had a little Audi TT, Bluetooth, okay, on it.

01:23:52.530 --> 01:23:57.650
<v Ivan>And I don't know where he stopped, but he somehow absentmindedly put the phone on top of his car.

01:23:58.130 --> 01:24:01.030
<v Ivan>And then he got in the car and left. and then all

01:24:01.030 --> 01:24:04.570
<v Ivan>of a sudden on the display on the screen bluetooth link

01:24:04.570 --> 01:24:08.130
<v Ivan>disconnected and he's like bluetooth link disconnected

01:24:08.130 --> 01:24:12.690
<v Ivan>it's like why the hell would the bluetooth link be disconnected i'm like then

01:24:12.690 --> 01:24:17.790
<v Ivan>he realizes oh shit i left it i put it on the top of the car he turned around

01:24:17.790 --> 01:24:25.310
<v Ivan>went back well he got he got he got he found the phone however it was it you

01:24:25.310 --> 01:24:26.750
<v Ivan>know it would work over Bluetooth.

01:24:27.530 --> 01:24:31.110
<v Sam>Well, if you, if you, long time listeners will remember,

01:24:31.570 --> 01:24:38.210
<v Sam>Alex had an iPad that I left on top of the car and I was driving him somewhere

01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:42.530
<v Sam>and I saw it fly off the roof of the car and,

01:24:43.410 --> 01:24:50.610
<v Sam>behind me on the road but where i was i couldn't pull over immediately it took

01:24:50.610 --> 01:24:55.170
<v Sam>me like you know five minutes to find a place to turn around get back there

01:24:55.170 --> 01:25:00.410
<v Sam>run and walk and i found it had been run over like a dozen times by other cars

01:25:00.410 --> 01:25:02.550
<v Sam>by the time i found it but it still turned on,

01:25:03.490 --> 01:25:09.590
<v Sam>and we were able to back it up there you go and then alex ended up really upset

01:25:09.590 --> 01:25:12.290
<v Sam>because i did I did, while he was at school,

01:25:12.750 --> 01:25:20.390
<v Sam>go get it replaced at the Apple store under AppleCare, and he wished we'd kept the broken one.

01:25:20.650 --> 01:25:23.410
<v Sam>But, you know, oh well. Right?

01:25:23.570 --> 01:25:30.470
<v Ivan>Right call. You did the right call. Otherwise, his fingers may have been like quite a lot of shards.

01:25:31.330 --> 01:25:35.590
<v Sam>He's indicating that I've got part of the story wrong. oh

01:25:35.590 --> 01:25:38.710
<v Sam>yes he's indicating that there was a major problem that

01:25:38.710 --> 01:25:41.590
<v Sam>there was one game they they have

01:25:41.590 --> 01:25:45.450
<v Sam>since fixed this i think but at the time terraria

01:25:45.450 --> 01:25:52.390
<v Sam>kept its save files local only unless you explicitly uploaded them they were

01:25:52.390 --> 01:25:57.850
<v Sam>not included in the the backups for the device because they didn't consider

01:25:57.850 --> 01:26:04.250
<v Sam>the game file save files important enough and they didn't bother backing them up And so to this day,

01:26:04.510 --> 01:26:09.530
<v Sam>he's upset that we lost those game save files. Anyway, sorry.

01:26:10.070 --> 01:26:10.930
<v Ivan>All right.

01:26:11.210 --> 01:26:12.630
<v Sam>Continuing with the lightning round.

01:26:12.770 --> 01:26:14.570
<v Ivan>Continuing with the lightning round. What's next?

01:26:15.590 --> 01:26:18.150
<v Sam>Sora 2 came out this week.

01:26:18.190 --> 01:26:19.110
<v Ivan>Ah, yes.

01:26:19.450 --> 01:26:24.490
<v Sam>Which is an AI video clip generation thing. And there have been a number of

01:26:24.490 --> 01:26:25.690
<v Sam>different versions of this.

01:26:26.350 --> 01:26:32.090
<v Sam>But Sora 2, once again, significantly upped the level of realism.

01:26:32.790 --> 01:26:37.690
<v Sam>They also offered an ability where you can quickly like scan your own face and

01:26:37.690 --> 01:26:40.950
<v Sam>include yourself in the movies that you generate as a character.

01:26:41.610 --> 01:26:48.510
<v Sam>And you can choose to let other people use your face in their movies as well.

01:26:48.750 --> 01:26:51.870
<v Sam>So there are apparently three options. Only I can use it.

01:26:52.090 --> 01:26:57.730
<v Sam>Only me and my friends can use it. Or anybody can use it. But they also,

01:26:57.790 --> 01:27:03.850
<v Sam>I forget if they explicitly did it or whether people just figured out how to do it.

01:27:04.230 --> 01:27:11.030
<v Sam>But historical figures and copyrighted characters all over the place.

01:27:11.050 --> 01:27:17.130
<v Sam>They actually had to back off and decide and say, we're going to enforce against

01:27:17.130 --> 01:27:18.210
<v Sam>the copyrighted characters.

01:27:18.450 --> 01:27:22.290
<v Sam>I think they've still got some issues with the historical. Like there were a

01:27:22.290 --> 01:27:26.170
<v Sam>ton of videos going on about like Mr.

01:27:26.590 --> 01:27:28.290
<v Sam>Rogers in action movie scenes.

01:27:30.290 --> 01:27:30.930
<v Sam>Mr.

01:27:31.610 --> 01:27:33.170
<v Ivan>Rogers. Mr. Rogers made a new Liam Neeson.

01:27:33.490 --> 01:27:34.590
<v Sam>Yes, exactly.

01:27:34.810 --> 01:27:34.990
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:27:35.410 --> 01:27:41.290
<v Sam>Well, there was one that was like a buddy cop film with Mr. Rogers and Bob Ross.

01:27:41.490 --> 01:27:42.670
<v Ivan>The painter guy. Yeah.

01:27:43.340 --> 01:27:48.860
<v Sam>Where Bob Ross was telling Mr. Rogers, some people are not your friends.

01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:50.440
<v Ivan>And then they pull out their guns.

01:27:50.620 --> 01:27:55.060
<v Sam>You know, you know, there, there were like lots of ones with like the Martin

01:27:55.060 --> 01:28:00.200
<v Sam>Luther King doing, you know, I have a dream that someday there won't be a line

01:28:00.200 --> 01:28:04.200
<v Sam>at Chick-fil-A, you know, all kinds of other stuff.

01:28:04.460 --> 01:28:07.140
<v Sam>Some of, some of which were actually kind of cute. Some

01:28:07.140 --> 01:28:11.880
<v Sam>of which were disturbing there were you know various tech journalists like i

01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:16.120
<v Sam>justine put hers out there for anybody to use and of course there are lots of

01:28:16.120 --> 01:28:21.560
<v Sam>really creative things that they made i justine do and there are some also rather

01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:26.120
<v Sam>tasteless things they made i justine do in some of these movies oh.

01:28:26.120 --> 01:28:26.900
<v Ivan>Yeah i know.

01:28:26.900 --> 01:28:35.980
<v Sam>And the the point of this though oh gosh is these are video and they are voice They do the whole thing.

01:28:37.220 --> 01:28:40.580
<v Sam>This is yet another level of realism. If you look carefully,

01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:42.780
<v Sam>you can, of course, tell these are AI.

01:28:43.080 --> 01:28:47.700
<v Sam>And, of course, the elephant jumping out of an airplane effect is still in play,

01:28:47.700 --> 01:28:51.800
<v Sam>where if you see something that is just clearly unreasonable,

01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:53.060
<v Sam>you should be suspicious.

01:28:55.140 --> 01:29:04.540
<v Sam>But these are now at the point where, A, you have to pay attention to know they're not real.

01:29:04.580 --> 01:29:05.320
<v Ivan>This is what— Like.

01:29:05.380 --> 01:29:06.240
<v Sam>In many cases.

01:29:06.340 --> 01:29:10.120
<v Ivan>I'll tell you this. I think, like, short little things or whatever,

01:29:10.240 --> 01:29:15.300
<v Ivan>but I've started noticing that the more I see these, the more quickly I realize they're fake.

01:29:15.460 --> 01:29:16.220
<v Sam>Oh, absolutely.

01:29:16.400 --> 01:29:16.860
<v Ivan>Absolutely.

01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:25.060
<v Sam>But here's the thing, though. there i already like i see so many things shared

01:29:25.060 --> 01:29:30.760
<v Sam>by on facebook of people thinking that these things clearly have been fooled.

01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:36.640
<v Ivan>Okay we do have okay look let's be clear i don't know why i have to reiterate

01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:42.020
<v Ivan>this but if anything that has shown us over the last decade in is indicative

01:29:42.020 --> 01:29:49.320
<v Ivan>of the level of intelligence of the average person on the internet is basically like that of a,

01:29:50.660 --> 01:29:56.240
<v Ivan>you know, of a P, okay, you know, I don't know what to tell you.

01:29:56.360 --> 01:30:01.880
<v Ivan>But, yeah, not like, I'm sorry, they all believe that, what,

01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:07.960
<v Ivan>we've got 9-11 was fake, that Sandy Hook was fake, that, I mean,

01:30:08.020 --> 01:30:09.620
<v Ivan>I don't know, you want me to go through the list?

01:30:09.780 --> 01:30:13.900
<v Ivan>Well, of course they believe this immediately without thinking one second.

01:30:13.900 --> 01:30:21.280
<v Sam>And look, again, the biggest thing is still, like, use a little bit of common

01:30:21.280 --> 01:30:26.740
<v Sam>sense in terms of, like, okay, did Martin Luther King really endorse Chick-fil-A

01:30:26.740 --> 01:30:28.180
<v Sam>while he was giving his speech?

01:30:28.360 --> 01:30:28.680
<v Ivan>Of course.

01:30:28.980 --> 01:30:29.760
<v Sam>His famous I Have a Dream speech?

01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.920
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't understand. You know, but— I don't understand.

01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:40.300
<v Ivan>I mean, I think that that was—his concerns were civil rights and chicken.

01:30:41.160 --> 01:30:44.640
<v Sam>Yes. but but the other thing is

01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.300
<v Sam>look there are other things you can tell

01:30:47.300 --> 01:30:50.160
<v Sam>like if you look carefully at the background things usually look a

01:30:50.160 --> 01:30:53.280
<v Sam>little weird you know and if you

01:30:53.280 --> 01:30:57.460
<v Sam>pay close attention and especially if you zoom in there's still all kinds of

01:30:57.460 --> 01:31:03.520
<v Sam>artifacts you can you can pay attention to but the other thing is these are

01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:09.200
<v Sam>just so quick and easy to make sora apparently i did download it You have to

01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:10.180
<v Sam>have an invite still, though.

01:31:10.460 --> 01:31:14.440
<v Sam>I don't have an invite. If anybody has an invite to Sora, feel free to send it to me.

01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:19.880
<v Sam>But it's like they built it as a mini social media app, apparently.

01:31:20.120 --> 01:31:26.060
<v Sam>So the feed there is just all of this AI generated slop that people are sharing with each other.

01:31:26.480 --> 01:31:30.000
<v Sam>And they are making it elsewhere. Like, I have...

01:31:31.100 --> 01:31:34.720
<v Sam>the percentage of this

01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:38.000
<v Sam>stuff that i see as i scroll through social media

01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:44.280
<v Sam>of all types is increasing rapidly but with especially with these the sora movie

01:31:44.280 --> 01:31:48.040
<v Sam>clip things and they're only a few seconds long which is another tell right

01:31:48.040 --> 01:31:53.520
<v Sam>like the ai still can't sustain like a three minute clip of this stuff it's

01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:55.140
<v Sam>so five to ten seconds processing.

01:31:55.140 --> 01:31:56.860
<v Ivan>Intensive like right now so.

01:31:56.860 --> 01:31:59.940
<v Sam>Yeah right and and also people pointed

01:31:59.940 --> 01:32:03.240
<v Sam>out they're probably still losing tons of money on this it's like five dollars

01:32:03.240 --> 01:32:07.880
<v Sam>per clip and people are making like thousands of these things but you know it's

01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:14.740
<v Sam>just a percentage of my feeds that are this stuff is increasing dramatically

01:32:14.740 --> 01:32:19.780
<v Sam>and look i'll be honest some of it's amusing some of it's funny some of it's cute yeah.

01:32:19.780 --> 01:32:24.060
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah i i it is By the way, it's good and it's getting better.

01:32:24.420 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Ivan>And I, you know, look, my whole take on this and a whole bunch of people talking

01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:33.420
<v Ivan>about the AI bubble and a whole bunch of stuff or whatever.

01:32:33.740 --> 01:32:40.520
<v Ivan>And I'm like, look, as one that has now, as we have been deploying AI at our

01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:48.400
<v Ivan>company and they have done a lot of work and doing some good stuff for our use.

01:32:48.400 --> 01:32:53.800
<v Ivan>And I have been using it. I have found that my productivity with this shit is

01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:59.840
<v Ivan>so much higher using this stuff that I am like when people are talking about the hype,

01:32:59.980 --> 01:33:03.680
<v Ivan>I'm like, you know, these people sound like the right now, like the people that

01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:07.740
<v Ivan>said that computers were a fad and the personal computers were a fad in the 1990s.

01:33:08.440 --> 01:33:13.840
<v Ivan>I mean, look, my whole thing, you know, I've said a lot of criticism about it,

01:33:13.940 --> 01:33:16.760
<v Ivan>has been about application and use, how certain people go out there.

01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.480
<v Sam>Using it for the right thing and understanding the limitations.

01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.620
<v Ivan>And understanding what you know and being able to check, because a lot of stuff

01:33:22.620 --> 01:33:26.660
<v Ivan>that I generate, I have to check and make sure that it's correct and making

01:33:26.660 --> 01:33:30.240
<v Ivan>sure that I'm using it for the right stuff, okay, that I know it's trained on

01:33:30.240 --> 01:33:34.380
<v Ivan>and not using it for other stuff that, you know, for example, like we've shown math.

01:33:34.380 --> 01:33:38.020
<v Ivan>fucking ma'am the ai is really.

01:33:38.020 --> 01:33:40.960
<v Sam>Mass deficient so i now i shared on

01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:45.880
<v Sam>the curmudgeons corner slack right before we started recording a screenshot

01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Sam>that somebody apparently took of the new integration with copilot into excel

01:33:52.720 --> 01:34:00.700
<v Sam>where they had you just three numbers one two three and three cells and And in the cell below,

01:34:00.940 --> 01:34:05.660
<v Sam>they said, you know, formula equals co-pilot, sum the numbers above.

01:34:06.660 --> 01:34:11.360
<v Sam>And it said 15 for one plus two plus three.

01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:11.960
<v Ivan>Makes sense.

01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:18.400
<v Sam>Sounds good. The person who posted this, of course, now, of course, do I know if this is real?

01:34:18.440 --> 01:34:21.840
<v Sam>Or was this a fake Excel screenshot? I don't know.

01:34:22.160 --> 01:34:26.500
<v Sam>But they commented, this will crash the global economy.

01:34:27.460 --> 01:34:29.620
<v Ivan>Well, what do we keep talking about?

01:34:29.620 --> 01:34:32.000
<v Sam>Excel is used in so many places, you know.

01:34:32.220 --> 01:34:39.100
<v Ivan>But they have actually, Microsoft has said that using Copilot in Excel,

01:34:39.100 --> 01:34:42.160
<v Ivan>that the accuracy is actually quite low.

01:34:42.660 --> 01:34:44.640
<v Ivan>They actually said this.

01:34:44.740 --> 01:34:44.980
<v Sam>Yes.

01:34:45.100 --> 01:34:49.780
<v Ivan>Okay. You know, so my thing is that I'm like, look, if I'm somebody that's using

01:34:49.780 --> 01:34:54.300
<v Ivan>Excel, will you tell me, well, will we only be about 50% accuracy?

01:34:54.820 --> 01:35:01.300
<v Ivan>I'm doing Excel. Listen, 50% accuracy in Excel is not acceptable, okay?

01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.980
<v Ivan>I mean, hell, you know, I'm sorry, but I said, like, for a driving car or whatever,

01:35:07.080 --> 01:35:12.920
<v Ivan>you were talking about how much, my criteria for how accurate I want my Excel

01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:15.720
<v Ivan>versus even my car driving is higher.

01:35:15.980 --> 01:35:20.980
<v Ivan>For Excel, I demand a lot more. I'm doing fucking financial calculations that

01:35:20.980 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Ivan>sometimes are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of fucking dollars.

01:35:26.160 --> 01:35:32.280
<v Ivan>You know, I'm sorry. I cannot have such a wide margin of error.

01:35:33.290 --> 01:35:37.210
<v Sam>You know, it tried. Isn't that good enough?

01:35:37.370 --> 01:35:39.110
<v Ivan>Nope. Not for Excel.

01:35:39.770 --> 01:35:40.570
<v Sam>But anyway.

01:35:40.690 --> 01:35:47.930
<v Ivan>Now, for video, dumb video clips, you know, showing like me flying like a, you know, like a bird.

01:35:48.730 --> 01:35:56.430
<v Ivan>Sure. Or I did this. I did these pictures of me using AI to try to show me driving an F1 car.

01:35:56.950 --> 01:36:00.410
<v Ivan>I looked as the fattest F1 driver in history. Okay.

01:36:00.910 --> 01:36:04.850
<v Ivan>I don't know why the AI decided to make me even fatter than I am.

01:36:05.230 --> 01:36:10.070
<v Ivan>Also, it attached a rearview mirror on my arm for whatever reason.

01:36:10.370 --> 01:36:11.350
<v Sam>Where else would you keep your rearview mirror?

01:36:11.350 --> 01:36:14.190
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah. But, you know, other than that, it looked funny.

01:36:14.830 --> 01:36:17.710
<v Ivan>But for funny effect, it was good.

01:36:18.270 --> 01:36:23.470
<v Sam>Well, but the thing is, I think we are definitely in the zone,

01:36:24.970 --> 01:36:31.390
<v Sam>where there's so many people uncritically accepting this stuff or just don't

01:36:31.390 --> 01:36:33.870
<v Sam>know to even think about it.

01:36:34.090 --> 01:36:34.450
<v Ivan>Well, the tariffs.

01:36:34.650 --> 01:36:41.070
<v Sam>We are, the danger is increasing dramatically as this stuff improves.

01:36:41.190 --> 01:36:44.130
<v Ivan>But I think that's, again, that's what's going to separate people.

01:36:44.470 --> 01:36:49.390
<v Ivan>You know, they're talking about people now that are AI proficient, right?

01:36:49.870 --> 01:36:53.750
<v Ivan>In order to do their jobs. I think, once again, That's going to be what separates

01:36:53.750 --> 01:36:57.530
<v Ivan>people that know what the fuck they're doing or people that wind up bankrupting

01:36:57.530 --> 01:37:00.790
<v Ivan>their company because they use the wrong fucking model to calculate, say,

01:37:00.990 --> 01:37:04.850
<v Ivan>a car loan, for example, that basically all of a sudden winds up losing money

01:37:04.850 --> 01:37:06.470
<v Ivan>on every damn car deal going out.

01:37:07.030 --> 01:37:11.210
<v Sam>Well, but I'm talking more tying it back to the political stuff, right?

01:37:11.310 --> 01:37:14.590
<v Ivan>Oh, well, but fuck. Look, look, but come on. We've been living with this.

01:37:15.170 --> 01:37:17.930
<v Ivan>Listen, did we really need it?

01:37:17.970 --> 01:37:21.370
<v Sam>I'm just saying it's getting worse. Not that it hasn't existed for a long time.

01:37:21.370 --> 01:37:26.550
<v Ivan>Well, it's, I mean, I don't know how much worse it is because look,

01:37:26.710 --> 01:37:34.090
<v Ivan>we already had armies of people generating junk, fake content constantly pumped

01:37:34.090 --> 01:37:37.190
<v Ivan>out every day with armies of like, you know,

01:37:37.450 --> 01:37:42.650
<v Ivan>using robotic, you know, RPA processes and bots and programs and just, you know,

01:37:42.950 --> 01:37:48.970
<v Ivan>creating all these fucking bots all over the place, just pushing out the shit all the fucking time.

01:37:48.970 --> 01:37:51.790
<v Ivan>So, I don't know. I mean, now...

01:37:51.790 --> 01:37:55.490
<v Sam>The most recent example being that whole Cracker Barrel thing from a few weeks

01:37:55.490 --> 01:37:57.730
<v Sam>ago turns out to be entirely driven by bots.

01:37:58.010 --> 01:38:03.630
<v Ivan>Exactly. It was totally, you know, fake. Yes. I mean, I...

01:38:03.630 --> 01:38:07.450
<v Sam>Well, it was fake until it was real because the fake activity got some people

01:38:07.450 --> 01:38:08.570
<v Sam>actually caring about it.

01:38:08.570 --> 01:38:10.730
<v Ivan>Got people actually riled up for real. Yes.

01:38:11.250 --> 01:38:16.250
<v Sam>Yes. Which is the point of it, which is why they do it. And all I'm saying is

01:38:16.250 --> 01:38:23.170
<v Sam>the amount of cost and effort to do that is plummeting, you know?

01:38:23.350 --> 01:38:25.010
<v Ivan>I don't know about, I don't know. Listen.

01:38:26.150 --> 01:38:30.230
<v Ivan>Right now, it's really not plummeting because the compute capacity is still

01:38:30.230 --> 01:38:31.410
<v Ivan>relatively inexpensive.

01:38:31.810 --> 01:38:37.150
<v Sam>But the thing is, these companies are giving it away for free even if they're paying for it.

01:38:37.350 --> 01:38:41.190
<v Ivan>Well, look, again, this goes back to what the fuck happened 20 years ago.

01:38:41.290 --> 01:38:44.010
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something, okay? This free shit is going to end pretty quickly.

01:38:44.470 --> 01:38:47.090
<v Ivan>I've got to tell you this right now because this is the fucking thing I talked

01:38:47.090 --> 01:38:48.650
<v Ivan>about the internet or whatever 30 years ago.

01:38:48.810 --> 01:38:50.930
<v Ivan>I'm going to say, oh, no, no, but it's all free. It's all free.

01:38:50.930 --> 01:38:53.330
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. This free shit is going to end pretty fucking soon.

01:38:53.970 --> 01:38:57.550
<v Ivan>Somebody's got to pay the bills. So somebody's going to have to fucking pay

01:38:57.550 --> 01:38:59.510
<v Ivan>for it. There's got to be a way to make fucking money.

01:38:59.730 --> 01:39:03.570
<v Sam>And the typical, the pattern that has happened industry after industry after

01:39:03.570 --> 01:39:08.390
<v Sam>industry that we've talked about before on this show is that the first wave

01:39:08.390 --> 01:39:13.290
<v Sam>who's jumping into this is not typically the one who actually ends up getting the money.

01:39:13.630 --> 01:39:18.890
<v Sam>Like a lot of the first wave ends up failing utterly and the second wave succeeds.

01:39:18.950 --> 01:39:19.490
<v Ivan>Well, it depends.

01:39:19.810 --> 01:39:22.530
<v Sam>There are always a few survivors from the first wave.

01:39:22.670 --> 01:39:27.310
<v Ivan>Look at streaming. Okay. For example. Look at streaming, right?

01:39:27.550 --> 01:39:30.410
<v Ivan>You know, because everybody thought it was free. You could watch all these programs,

01:39:30.570 --> 01:39:31.130
<v Ivan>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:39:31.490 --> 01:39:34.730
<v Ivan>Reality is that the first one that really jumped into this was Netflix, you know?

01:39:35.510 --> 01:39:38.770
<v Sam>Well, they weren't the first first, but yes, they were the first to make it popular.

01:39:39.010 --> 01:39:42.250
<v Ivan>Well, yes, but that's what I'm saying. They're the first one that really people

01:39:42.250 --> 01:39:44.450
<v Ivan>used, okay, as a service.

01:39:44.950 --> 01:39:48.250
<v Ivan>And, I mean, you know, they were a pioneer in it and the way that they marketed

01:39:48.250 --> 01:39:50.190
<v Ivan>it, the way that had the programs held, man.

01:39:50.330 --> 01:39:54.670
<v Ivan>I mean, and look where they are. I mean, it's still, you know,

01:39:54.790 --> 01:39:55.950
<v Ivan>and at first it was super cheap.

01:39:56.110 --> 01:39:59.850
<v Ivan>Now we're talking about how everybody's having to pay for everything, you know.

01:40:00.580 --> 01:40:05.940
<v Ivan>I think we've had a lot of, I think like everything, of course,

01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:10.320
<v Ivan>you know, yeah, some of the people right now, early, maybe later,

01:40:10.360 --> 01:40:11.940
<v Ivan>are not going to be doing as well and whatnot.

01:40:12.140 --> 01:40:14.960
<v Ivan>But my whole thing is that at some point, listen, somebody's going to have to

01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:16.420
<v Ivan>make fucking money on this damn shit.

01:40:16.500 --> 01:40:20.640
<v Sam>Well, yeah, no, absolutely. My point was just it might the people who end up

01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:24.960
<v Sam>making the most money and may like transform the world may not be the sec may

01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:30.920
<v Sam>not exist yet. It may be the second round of companies after the first round makes all the mistakes.

01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.560
<v Ivan>But one thing is that right now the- And builds out the infrastructure that

01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:37.660
<v Ivan>the other ones can build on. The adoption rate right now of this across the

01:40:37.660 --> 01:40:44.860
<v Ivan>board is so high that people, listen, people are addicted to this shit, okay?

01:40:45.060 --> 01:40:45.240
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:40:46.020 --> 01:40:50.960
<v Ivan>They're going to spend money because, I mean, you want to take it away. They're addicted.

01:40:51.140 --> 01:40:55.540
<v Sam>Listen, like I said the other day- I am paying several, I am paying Anthropic.

01:40:55.780 --> 01:40:58.000
<v Sam>I am paying OpenAI right now.

01:40:58.280 --> 01:41:00.860
<v Sam>I'm paying whoever owns Cursor.

01:41:01.200 --> 01:41:05.700
<v Sam>I'm already paying several of these companies to use their products.

01:41:05.740 --> 01:41:09.300
<v Ivan>Look, like there was a guy, I can't remember why the hell he blurted this out

01:41:09.300 --> 01:41:12.500
<v Ivan>to me like a few months ago that I said this, that also just walked up to me

01:41:12.500 --> 01:41:18.260
<v Ivan>and said, I don't know how I can't write, how anybody writes an email anymore without using AI.

01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:19.140
<v Sam>Right.

01:41:19.320 --> 01:41:22.900
<v Ivan>Just blurted it out. That's the kind of dependence that we're talking about, okay?

01:41:23.260 --> 01:41:25.940
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. And that's what they're counting on, right?

01:41:26.060 --> 01:41:26.160
<v Ivan>Right.

01:41:26.360 --> 01:41:28.840
<v Sam>You know, is that you give it away for free, you get people addicted,

01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:30.340
<v Sam>and then you ramp up the price. Yeah.

01:41:30.440 --> 01:41:30.620
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:41:30.780 --> 01:41:36.940
<v Sam>It's the typical, I mean, this has been a pattern in many industries over the years.

01:41:37.100 --> 01:41:37.260
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:41:37.380 --> 01:41:38.860
<v Sam>This is no different. It's a well-known technique.

01:41:39.020 --> 01:41:39.980
<v Ivan>And it is so different.

01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:46.060
<v Sam>Anyway, I'm just saying, trouble. Lots of trouble ahead.

01:41:46.300 --> 01:41:48.700
<v Ivan>Fucking, come on. Listen, we have trouble. We've got to.

01:41:49.280 --> 01:41:52.460
<v Sam>We've always got trouble. We've got trouble in River City. Yeah.

01:41:53.910 --> 01:41:57.790
<v Ivan>We got a four alarm fire going off every day right now, for God's sakes.

01:41:58.070 --> 01:42:02.490
<v Ivan>And people are like right now so numb that they're like, what,

01:42:02.790 --> 01:42:05.630
<v Ivan>what, Trump, what, Trump, he what?

01:42:07.310 --> 01:42:08.450
<v Ivan>He's going to Walter Reed.

01:42:09.350 --> 01:42:12.630
<v Sam>Yeah, let's do that. That's on the list too. I had a couple down,

01:42:12.790 --> 01:42:13.990
<v Sam>but let's jump to Walter Reed.

01:42:14.210 --> 01:42:14.730
<v Ivan>I don't know.

01:42:14.770 --> 01:42:19.990
<v Sam>Trump is having an annual checkup for the second time in six months.

01:42:20.690 --> 01:42:21.170
<v Ivan>So

01:42:24.110 --> 01:42:30.430
<v Ivan>I'm sure that's not that I'm sure it's fine nothing he loves doctors he just

01:42:30.430 --> 01:42:35.350
<v Ivan>likes going to Walter Reed it's the fun little trip over there you know.

01:42:35.350 --> 01:42:36.830
<v Sam>It's where my dad was born.

01:42:36.830 --> 01:42:39.210
<v Ivan>No shit my.

01:42:39.210 --> 01:42:40.350
<v Sam>Dad was born at Walter Reed.

01:42:40.350 --> 01:42:48.950
<v Ivan>Oh look at that okay there you go but it's a fun tidbit but look We were talking

01:42:48.950 --> 01:42:50.170
<v Ivan>about this. Something's wrong.

01:42:50.390 --> 01:42:52.590
<v Ivan>I mean, his health is deteriorating.

01:42:53.050 --> 01:42:57.710
<v Ivan>Seriously. I mean, I don't know. And I mean, I don't know if we're talking about

01:42:57.710 --> 01:43:03.530
<v Ivan>90 to 30, 90 to 80, what exactly the degree is.

01:43:03.710 --> 01:43:06.670
<v Ivan>But look, he has, there is something wrong.

01:43:07.610 --> 01:43:10.970
<v Ivan>It's getting worse. He has been masking this stuff.

01:43:11.230 --> 01:43:14.050
<v Ivan>He had been disappearing. all of a sudden, exactly like you just said,

01:43:14.470 --> 01:43:20.890
<v Ivan>a second annual physical within six months, something's wrong, okay?

01:43:21.330 --> 01:43:25.230
<v Ivan>And I hope whatever it is, it moves faster.

01:43:27.930 --> 01:43:31.970
<v Sam>Yes, you're eager to hurry up on to J.D. Vance.

01:43:32.150 --> 01:43:39.750
<v Ivan>I mean, I gotta be honest, I like my chances against J.D. Vance a lot more.

01:43:41.770 --> 01:43:44.670
<v Ivan>I'm perfectly fine trying to take on the couch fucker.

01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:48.800
<v Ivan>I think he is a much easier target.

01:43:49.740 --> 01:43:53.300
<v Sam>Right. Anyway, yeah, he's going to Walter Reed.

01:43:53.580 --> 01:43:57.540
<v Sam>We'll see. Or we won't see because they won't tell. They will announce that

01:43:57.540 --> 01:44:02.400
<v Sam>he is, once again, the fittest male specimen that has ever been seen.

01:44:02.700 --> 01:44:03.280
<v Ivan>Ever! Ever!

01:44:03.380 --> 01:44:04.240
<v Sam>Ever! Ever been seen.

01:44:04.400 --> 01:44:07.060
<v Ivan>More, more, more potent than ever!

01:44:07.900 --> 01:44:12.940
<v Sam>Exactly. That's Donald for you. Anyway, yeah, so he's going to Walter Reed.

01:44:12.940 --> 01:44:18.520
<v Sam>Okay, but while he is at Walter Reed, he's undoubtedly—actually,

01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:25.960
<v Sam>if I remember right, the Nobel Peace Prize winner will be announced probably

01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:27.360
<v Sam>before we get this show out.

01:44:27.460 --> 01:44:31.420
<v Sam>It's due to be announced within the next 24 hours, and it's got to be Donald

01:44:31.420 --> 01:44:33.660
<v Sam>Trump because of the new Gaza peace deal, right?

01:44:34.200 --> 01:44:36.120
<v Ivan>Right. Of course, he's going to win.

01:44:36.220 --> 01:44:36.320
<v Sam>Right.

01:44:37.580 --> 01:44:40.820
<v Ivan>Apparently, that's not the case. Apparently, they already know that he's not

01:44:40.820 --> 01:44:46.920
<v Ivan>going to win, and the regions are kind of, like, gearing up for Trump's tantrum

01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:48.880
<v Ivan>over the fact that he didn't get his little prize.

01:44:49.360 --> 01:44:55.420
<v Sam>Now, having said that, though, as we record this, it does look like at least

01:44:55.420 --> 01:44:59.660
<v Sam>the first stage of this thing in Gaza is going to happen.

01:44:59.940 --> 01:45:02.740
<v Ivan>Right, but that's where we're at. We're at the first fucking stage.

01:45:02.820 --> 01:45:06.280
<v Ivan>And by the way, I don't give a shit, even if this thing works.

01:45:06.280 --> 01:45:10.740
<v Ivan>He allowed the complete destruction of Gaza under his watch, okay?

01:45:10.940 --> 01:45:14.940
<v Ivan>He stood not in the way of them. So now all of a sudden— Ivan.

01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:16.340
<v Sam>Ivan, Ivan, you've got to stop.

01:45:16.620 --> 01:45:17.100
<v Ivan>It was Biden.

01:45:17.660 --> 01:45:18.560
<v Sam>It was Biden's fault.

01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:19.080
<v Ivan>It was Biden, yeah.

01:45:19.180 --> 01:45:19.860
<v Sam>It was all Biden's fault.

01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:22.600
<v Ivan>He did nothing. Right. And, you know, Mr.

01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:27.660
<v Ivan>I'm just shooting people at sea because, you know, I'm good at doesn't get a

01:45:27.660 --> 01:45:30.700
<v Ivan>fucking peace price for nothing. Stupid piece of shit.

01:45:31.220 --> 01:45:35.100
<v Sam>Now, what do you think of the thing in Gaza, though? Like, so the initial deal

01:45:35.100 --> 01:45:40.200
<v Sam>that looks like it may be happening is releasing the rest of my breath.

01:45:40.200 --> 01:45:42.020
<v Ivan>That this will, this will last too long.

01:45:42.500 --> 01:45:47.600
<v Sam>Yeah. My, my thought is I'm, I'm honestly surprised it's gotten as far as it

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:51.580
<v Sam>has, but it looks fairly possible.

01:45:51.740 --> 01:45:56.180
<v Sam>And you guys listening will know better than we do as we're recording on Thursday

01:45:56.180 --> 01:46:01.500
<v Sam>night, us time. But it looks fairly possible that the last 20 or so remaining

01:46:01.500 --> 01:46:06.660
<v Sam>hostages that are still alive may be handed back to Israel this weekend.

01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:09.380
<v Sam>And Israel has agreed to...

01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:14.420
<v Sam>They withdraw from the major cities, not withdraw from Gaza,

01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:20.160
<v Sam>but withdraw from the major cities in Gaza and stop the bombing of Gaza as part

01:46:20.160 --> 01:46:22.120
<v Sam>of this phase one part of the deal.

01:46:22.320 --> 01:46:27.260
<v Sam>They had their vote of their cabinet a few hours ago and they approved it,

01:46:27.440 --> 01:46:32.660
<v Sam>which some people were wondering if there might be hardliners that held out, but they didn't.

01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:37.500
<v Sam>So it looks like at least this first stage is happening. The remaining stages

01:46:37.500 --> 01:46:43.200
<v Sam>are tougher because they involve things like who will run Gaza afterwards?

01:46:43.620 --> 01:46:49.560
<v Sam>Does Hamas get any representation whatsoever? Israelis say no. Hamas says yes.

01:46:51.020 --> 01:46:58.060
<v Sam>how exactly will disarmament work uh how how far with the will the israelis

01:46:58.060 --> 01:47:03.620
<v Sam>withdraw will will the palestinian authority be involved in any way will there

01:47:03.620 --> 01:47:08.320
<v Sam>be peacekeepers from other countries there are all kinds of open issues that so yeah.

01:47:08.320 --> 01:47:11.520
<v Ivan>I know this is like very early so who the hell knows okay yeah.

01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:17.200
<v Sam>So like you know so i i feel like again i'm surprised they got as far as they did.

01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.520
<v Sam>I will be pleasantly surprised if they get through this weekend and actually

01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:24.100
<v Sam>do the things they say this will happen this weekend.

01:47:24.580 --> 01:47:30.980
<v Sam>But I will be utterly shocked still if these later phases actually happen where

01:47:30.980 --> 01:47:38.260
<v Sam>the harder questions have been pushed off towards, you know, so we shall see. Okay.

01:47:38.780 --> 01:47:41.180
<v Ivan>I'll bring up another thing. Okay.

01:47:41.280 --> 01:47:43.780
<v Sam>Bring up another thing. We all got like a couple more.

01:47:43.780 --> 01:47:47.480
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, we just set $20 billion on fire.

01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:49.320
<v Sam>Yes.

01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:56.280
<v Ivan>This bailout that we did of Argentina, I'm speechless right now what the fuck we did.

01:47:56.480 --> 01:48:00.820
<v Ivan>We went and we basically bought, we took $20 billion U.S.

01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:06.000
<v Ivan>dollars from our treasury, and I've never heard this being done like in this

01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:09.840
<v Ivan>fashion, and just bought $20 billion of Argentine pesos.

01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:17.280
<v Ivan>Now, any of you that you've heard me talk about the Argentine peso in this program,

01:48:17.620 --> 01:48:27.440
<v Ivan>okay, it is one of the most devalued currencies that basically loses the values

01:48:27.440 --> 01:48:29.160
<v Ivan>faster than anything, okay?

01:48:29.160 --> 01:48:34.660
<v Ivan>Look, the last time I was doing shipments out of Argentina, when I was like

01:48:34.660 --> 01:48:43.600
<v Ivan>doing mostly importing into Argentina, the exchange rate was something like about 50, 60 to one.

01:48:43.780 --> 01:48:46.620
<v Ivan>That was five years ago. Right now is 1500.

01:48:47.540 --> 01:48:52.760
<v Ivan>That's in five years. Okay. The Argentine peso does not hold value,

01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:58.540
<v Ivan>which is literally just set $20 billion US dollars on fire.

01:48:59.160 --> 01:49:04.460
<v Sam>Well, but again, are you properly taking into account the corruption?

01:49:06.230 --> 01:49:09.990
<v Ivan>Am I properly taking it into account?

01:49:10.610 --> 01:49:15.670
<v Sam>Because now isn't a significant portion of this, the reason for potentially

01:49:15.670 --> 01:49:21.870
<v Sam>doing this, that a bunch of Donald Trump's friends have investments in Argentina

01:49:21.870 --> 01:49:23.790
<v Sam>that they want to prop up?

01:49:23.790 --> 01:49:29.910
<v Ivan>Here is, well, this has to do with the fact that a whole bunch of Scott Bessette's

01:49:29.910 --> 01:49:32.110
<v Ivan>friends were directly, okay?

01:49:32.450 --> 01:49:35.710
<v Ivan>I had bought up a whole bunch of distressed Argentine bonds.

01:49:36.230 --> 01:49:38.290
<v Ivan>And they had been looking to get paid.

01:49:39.430 --> 01:49:42.790
<v Ivan>And the bonds had dropped in value substantially.

01:49:43.250 --> 01:49:51.070
<v Ivan>And one way to prop up the value of those bonds is by basically giving $20 billion

01:49:51.070 --> 01:49:54.590
<v Ivan>to the Argentine treasury so they could have the money.

01:49:55.570 --> 01:50:01.970
<v Sam>There you go. So you're not setting it on fire. You are indirectly giving it to your friends.

01:50:03.530 --> 01:50:10.150
<v Ivan>Okay. That's another way to look at it. Yes. Well, not my friends.

01:50:10.670 --> 01:50:16.330
<v Sam>Well, not your friends, but I guarantee the administration is not looking at

01:50:16.330 --> 01:50:19.690
<v Sam>this in terms of how will my investment in the pesos do.

01:50:19.750 --> 01:50:27.390
<v Ivan>By the way, this thing about bondholders going and pushing action on distressed

01:50:27.390 --> 01:50:31.650
<v Ivan>bonds so the administration does something that is favorable to them,

01:50:31.770 --> 01:50:33.910
<v Ivan>isn't just they're doing the same thing in Puerto Rico.

01:50:34.190 --> 01:50:37.870
<v Ivan>In Puerto Rico, he fired the fiscal control board, which, by the way,

01:50:37.950 --> 01:50:40.450
<v Ivan>they actually sued and a number of them got their seats back.

01:50:40.610 --> 01:50:44.710
<v Ivan>But the main reason he did that is because there's a whole bunch of other bondholders

01:50:44.710 --> 01:50:49.830
<v Ivan>that are chubby with the administration that own, you know, electric authority bonds.

01:50:50.010 --> 01:50:53.530
<v Ivan>And those bonds were going to get a massive haircut.

01:50:53.810 --> 01:50:58.450
<v Ivan>And with this, they're hoping that they get a lot more of their money,

01:50:58.670 --> 01:51:01.770
<v Ivan>that they're able to claim a lot more money than they were before.

01:51:02.690 --> 01:51:10.170
<v Ivan>So it's just the fucking corruption from these guys is just, you know, incredible.

01:51:10.570 --> 01:51:15.130
<v Ivan>And by the way, we gave the $20 billion to Argentina that right now is like

01:51:15.130 --> 01:51:19.770
<v Ivan>open the spigot in terms of soybean exports.

01:51:19.770 --> 01:51:25.950
<v Ivan>OK, right now, they actually did something which I actually agree they should

01:51:25.950 --> 01:51:29.830
<v Ivan>have done a long time ago, which was hindering exports, which was they had an

01:51:29.830 --> 01:51:31.550
<v Ivan>export tax in Argentina.

01:51:31.950 --> 01:51:35.210
<v Ivan>for a long time, like 35%, if I remember correctly.

01:51:35.710 --> 01:51:39.310
<v Ivan>So they were taxing exporters. And so a lot of the exporters were pissed off

01:51:39.310 --> 01:51:40.710
<v Ivan>because, hey, we're trying to sell our stuff.

01:51:40.890 --> 01:51:45.570
<v Ivan>You know, we're bringing in the hard currency and you're making us pay 35%. What the fuck?

01:51:45.970 --> 01:51:50.430
<v Ivan>Well, they lifted that tax. Well, guess what? Makes their soybeans a lot more

01:51:50.430 --> 01:51:52.010
<v Ivan>favorable. They're selling them to China.

01:51:52.850 --> 01:51:56.750
<v Ivan>And what's happening with U.S. soybeans, Sam? Are we selling a lot of soybeans to China now?

01:51:58.590 --> 01:51:58.970
<v Sam>No.

01:51:59.810 --> 01:52:01.230
<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, it's not just...

01:52:01.730 --> 01:52:02.090
<v Sam>Zero.

01:52:02.590 --> 01:52:04.610
<v Ivan>The amount right now is zero.

01:52:05.430 --> 01:52:05.790
<v Sam>Yes.

01:52:06.630 --> 01:52:06.990
<v Ivan>Zero.

01:52:07.690 --> 01:52:10.690
<v Sam>And how do the soybean farmers feel about this?

01:52:10.910 --> 01:52:15.690
<v Ivan>Oh, they're feeling awesome. Great. Many of them have said that if they don't

01:52:15.690 --> 01:52:17.490
<v Ivan>get any money by the end of the year, they're going to be bankrupt.

01:52:17.710 --> 01:52:19.550
<v Ivan>That they need a bailout. So we're going to bail them out.

01:52:20.190 --> 01:52:22.910
<v Ivan>So we bailed out the argentines of $20 billion, and now we're going to give

01:52:22.910 --> 01:52:27.270
<v Ivan>another $15 billion. We're basically paying everybody not to do business with the United States.

01:52:27.270 --> 01:52:32.190
<v Sam>I heard Donald Trump specifically say that he would solve this farmer issue

01:52:32.190 --> 01:52:35.510
<v Sam>by looking for the money on the tariff shelf.

01:52:36.110 --> 01:52:41.750
<v Ivan>So basically, we're turning us into a tariff-like profit machine,

01:52:41.750 --> 01:52:45.930
<v Ivan>but actually stopping shit that makes jobs. Correct?

01:52:46.510 --> 01:52:49.890
<v Sam>I don't see why you... What's wrong with that, Ewan?

01:52:50.470 --> 01:52:55.430
<v Ivan>Ah. Makes sense. Okay. I don't know. It's not the way.

01:52:55.430 --> 01:53:00.450
<v Sam>Anyway. Okay. two more things and then we stop number one how's the government

01:53:00.450 --> 01:53:06.690
<v Sam>shutdown going still shut down still shut down there are some weird things happening

01:53:06.690 --> 01:53:08.170
<v Sam>like marjorie taylor green,

01:53:08.830 --> 01:53:12.630
<v Sam>saying that she agrees with the democrats on what they want to do with the health

01:53:12.630 --> 01:53:15.850
<v Sam>insurance stuff yeah um by.

01:53:15.850 --> 01:53:21.090
<v Ivan>The way but again it goes back to when did these people change their minds when.

01:53:21.690 --> 01:53:26.390
<v Sam>When it hurts them or their direct friends or family.

01:53:26.790 --> 01:53:33.530
<v Ivan>Ah, bam. So two relatives of MTG went to her and said, what the fuck are you doing?

01:53:33.670 --> 01:53:39.190
<v Ivan>You guys quadrupling my insurance premiums. I just got my renewal and it's going through the roof.

01:53:40.130 --> 01:53:40.610
<v Sam>Yes.

01:53:40.810 --> 01:53:45.050
<v Ivan>And then she goes and says, well, our leadership didn't say any of this to us.

01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.180
<v Ivan>We just thought there were democratic talking points.

01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:51.000
<v Sam>Yes, exactly.

01:53:51.940 --> 01:53:56.320
<v Ivan>Like I said, you're worried about the AI? We don't need the AI to make these

01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:57.440
<v Ivan>people believe bullshit.

01:53:57.740 --> 01:54:03.500
<v Ivan>We're capable of perfectly generating it without AI on a daily basis. Have you seen the GOP?

01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:09.540
<v Ivan>Seriously, these guys cannot. Man, there is a lie generating machine.

01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:15.380
<v Ivan>These guys cannot. I mean, the non- And by the way.

01:54:15.460 --> 01:54:18.980
<v Sam>I said this before. I shared a video on the Slack that's related to this as

01:54:18.980 --> 01:54:24.020
<v Sam>well of AOC that I only saw it this week, but I think it was recorded a couple

01:54:24.020 --> 01:54:27.080
<v Sam>months ago when they were doing the big, beautiful bill stuff.

01:54:27.500 --> 01:54:32.120
<v Sam>And basically she said she pulled aside one of her Republican colleagues on

01:54:32.120 --> 01:54:35.760
<v Sam>the floor of the House, away from cameras, whatever, and said,

01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:38.420
<v Sam>look, you're in a rural district.

01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:40.240
<v Ivan>You're getting killed.

01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:47.260
<v Sam>This thing is going to shut down rural hospitals. This is going to hurt your district really badly.

01:54:47.580 --> 01:54:50.260
<v Sam>How can you possibly be for this?

01:54:50.820 --> 01:54:54.880
<v Sam>And the person, and she didn't identify who it was or whether they were male

01:54:54.880 --> 01:55:00.140
<v Sam>or female, but the person says, we don't believe you.

01:55:01.580 --> 01:55:08.360
<v Sam>When you say things like this, you can say these Democratic talking points all

01:55:08.360 --> 01:55:12.120
<v Sam>you want, but we don't believe you.

01:55:12.120 --> 01:55:16.960
<v Sam>You are lying. This will not happen.

01:55:18.140 --> 01:55:24.680
<v Sam>And, you know, and AOC is like, but look, we've got all of this information.

01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.780
<v Sam>We've got this thing and this analysis and this analysis.

01:55:29.180 --> 01:55:29.240
<v Ivan>You're fact diverse.

01:55:30.260 --> 01:55:34.360
<v Sam>And they're like, well, they're lying too, you know.

01:55:35.260 --> 01:55:36.120
<v Ivan>Everybody's lying.

01:55:37.260 --> 01:55:38.160
<v Sam>Everybody's lying.

01:55:38.540 --> 01:55:42.240
<v Ivan>Except the people that they hear, okay? You know, and this is the thing that

01:55:42.240 --> 01:55:46.060
<v Ivan>I, you know, I mentioned this a couple of times that, And I realized that,

01:55:46.140 --> 01:55:49.180
<v Ivan>look, Rush Limbaugh patented this, okay?

01:55:49.300 --> 01:55:51.640
<v Ivan>He was really the pioneer at this, okay?

01:55:51.780 --> 01:55:59.160
<v Ivan>And everybody in the GOP basically now with Trump, they are all completely on this, okay?

01:55:59.400 --> 01:56:04.140
<v Ivan>Look, Rush Limbaugh got on the radio and basically every day for hours just lied.

01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:09.620
<v Ivan>Lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, lied, one day after another.

01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:12.660
<v Ivan>And I mentioned, you know, I listened to hours, hours of him.

01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:14.040
<v Ivan>It was just infuriating.

01:56:14.040 --> 01:56:15.620
<v Sam>I used to listen occasionally, too.

01:56:15.820 --> 01:56:18.680
<v Ivan>And I kept listening. And I'm like, it was infuriating. I'm like,

01:56:18.860 --> 01:56:22.560
<v Ivan>how the fuck do you people not understand that every fucking thing he's saying

01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:26.840
<v Ivan>is one lie after another lie after another lie after another lie after another

01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:28.620
<v Ivan>lie? And here's the reality, Sam.

01:56:29.140 --> 01:56:31.960
<v Ivan>Most of the people don't. They just believe it.

01:56:32.660 --> 01:56:33.040
<v Sam>Yep.

01:56:33.320 --> 01:56:37.140
<v Ivan>And I don't need a fucking AI machine to make up the lies because these motherfuckers,

01:56:37.280 --> 01:56:40.840
<v Ivan>all of them in the administration, just get up there and just lie nonstop.

01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:45.000
<v Ivan>And their constituents are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:45.120 --> 01:56:47.860
<v Ivan>No, that's just a Democratic talking point. I believe her.

01:56:48.300 --> 01:56:53.340
<v Ivan>Tylenol. Now and, oh, oh, wait, wait. The circumcisions. Autism.

01:56:53.580 --> 01:56:53.740
<v Sam>Yes.

01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:54.360
<v Ivan>Circumcisions.

01:56:55.200 --> 01:56:55.760
<v Sam>Yes.

01:56:56.620 --> 01:56:57.460
<v Ivan>Fucking hell.

01:56:57.820 --> 01:57:03.740
<v Sam>So speaking of those kinds of lies, I will transition to my last one of this,

01:57:03.940 --> 01:57:08.380
<v Sam>which is the massive war zone that is Portland.

01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:14.300
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. It's awful, Sam. It's really just...

01:57:14.300 --> 01:57:18.520
<v Sam>It's burning to the ground. Everyone's in danger.

01:57:19.580 --> 01:57:28.100
<v Sam>It is a hell zone. And you can tell this by the people in the inflated animal

01:57:28.100 --> 01:57:36.500
<v Sam>costumes singing and dancing and making rude gestures at the ice officers.

01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:37.620
<v Ivan>Perfect.

01:57:37.620 --> 01:57:44.340
<v Sam>And the people doing the cha-cha slide and all of this stuff,

01:57:44.700 --> 01:57:49.740
<v Sam>it's just, and actually, we've had a couple legal rulings now.

01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:53.360
<v Sam>The most recent one was actually about Chicago and Illinois,

01:57:53.700 --> 01:58:01.760
<v Sam>where the judge specifically said, I'm sorry, there is no insurrection here. Right.

01:58:02.200 --> 01:58:08.060
<v Sam>You know, and the government was basically trying to say in their case that

01:58:08.060 --> 01:58:11.600
<v Sam>the courts can't override the president's judgment on that.

01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:14.420
<v Sam>If the president says there's an insurrection, there's an insurrection.

01:58:14.740 --> 01:58:15.820
<v Ivan>It's fucking bullshit.

01:58:16.340 --> 01:58:17.860
<v Sam>And the judge is like.

01:58:18.790 --> 01:58:22.170
<v Sam>No, that's not happening.

01:58:22.450 --> 01:58:26.250
<v Sam>It just plain is not. The thing that you're describing is the justification

01:58:26.250 --> 01:58:29.590
<v Sam>for your actions is not happening.

01:58:30.310 --> 01:58:33.470
<v Sam>Now, who knows what will happen when that gets to SCOTUS.

01:58:33.910 --> 01:58:38.550
<v Sam>But, you know, for the moment anyway, you know, the courts are basically saying,

01:58:38.690 --> 01:58:41.730
<v Sam>yeah, actually reality does matter.

01:58:42.650 --> 01:58:46.690
<v Sam>and, you know, it is not, you know,

01:58:47.370 --> 01:58:55.310
<v Sam>a hellscape war zone insurrection when you've got the goddamn inflatable frog

01:58:55.310 --> 01:58:59.310
<v Sam>like making fun of the ice officers.

01:59:00.150 --> 01:59:02.590
<v Sam>And then, of course, they pepper spray the frog.

01:59:03.030 --> 01:59:03.770
<v Ivan>Of course.

01:59:04.050 --> 01:59:08.810
<v Sam>And they, in fact, they pepper sprayed the vent into the frog costume so that,

01:59:08.930 --> 01:59:12.690
<v Sam>like, it would have the maximum effect on the person inside. Yeah.

01:59:13.970 --> 01:59:18.070
<v Sam>It's ridiculous. You see these videos. Jon Stewart did a good compilation of

01:59:18.070 --> 01:59:21.330
<v Sam>it. If you look on The Daily Show's YouTube and stuff, you'll find it.

01:59:21.650 --> 01:59:26.950
<v Sam>But, like, you know, all kinds of scenes from Portland. And the one thing that

01:59:26.950 --> 01:59:30.410
<v Sam>has got me more than everything else, they do have, like, you know,

01:59:30.510 --> 01:59:33.970
<v Sam>older people singing songs. They have people dancing.

01:59:34.250 --> 01:59:41.050
<v Sam>But the repeated theme over and over and over again are these stupid inflatable animal costumes.

01:59:41.070 --> 01:59:42.230
<v Ivan>I love it. It's fantastic.

01:59:42.530 --> 01:59:46.490
<v Sam>You know, the frog, dinosaurs, unicorns, whatever.

01:59:46.710 --> 01:59:47.250
<v Ivan>You need Barney.

01:59:47.350 --> 01:59:51.170
<v Sam>And people have pointed out, Barney, there you go. I have not seen a Barney

01:59:51.170 --> 01:59:52.530
<v Sam>yet, but I'm sure it's coming soon.

01:59:53.690 --> 01:59:59.490
<v Sam>But the thing that people have pointed out is, and this relates back to like

01:59:59.490 --> 02:00:05.130
<v Sam>what we said during the damn campaign about how mocking them works better than

02:00:05.130 --> 02:00:07.770
<v Sam>portraying them as dangerous. They are dangerous.

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<v Sam>But you need to mock them. But mocking them.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Mocking them pierces that better than anything else.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes, yes. Both to them themselves, they don't like being mocked,

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<v Sam>and to their supporters.

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<v Sam>And so these people in Portland who are going around into animal costumes are doing this perfectly.

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<v Sam>Because it highlights just how ridiculous the over-the-top violence that these

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<v Sam>people are engaging in is compared to what's actually the reality on the ground.

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<v Ivan>By the way, if a story today also said, who is Antifa's leader?

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<v Ivan>Kristi Noem claims the arrest of the founder's girlfriend could unravel the movement, Sam.

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<v Ivan>You know, they're taking the girlfriend's boss.

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<v Sam>I saw someone say, like, oh, I didn't know Eleanor Roosevelt was still alive.

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Of course, implying FDR is the founder of anti-fascist from World War II.

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<v Ivan>Right. Anyway.

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<v Sam>All right. And we had some other guy. Like Trump had this anti-antifa,

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<v Sam>anti-antifa, whatever, whatever, like conference thing at the White House.

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<v Sam>And one of the people there said, Antifa is real and has been ever since.

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<v Sam>And they pointed out like anti-fascists, like in World War II as their example

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<v Sam>of being the bad guys who'd started this movement.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>And it's like they're not even pretending anymore no.

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<v Ivan>No no they're not.

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<v Sam>They're like of course we're fascists yes thank you and if you're anti-fascist that's bad sorry.

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<v Ivan>Anyway all right we're done.

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<v Sam>Anyway we're done right we're done yeah we're done now done now okay everybody

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<v Sam>go to curmudgeon syphen corner.com look at our website find our archives you

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<v Sam>can check out that episode if you want.

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<v Sam>Again, that is from October 9th, 2015.

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<v Sam>You can go to the 2015 section of the archive and scroll down.

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<v Sam>I did have some weird experiences playing it. I could play it just fine on my

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<v Sam>iPhone, but I had some problems on my computer. I don't know why.

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<v Sam>I'll have to check into that later. But it's there. It works.

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<v Sam>I don't know. Maybe it'll work for you. Maybe it won't. Let me know.

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<v Sam>If it doesn't work for you, give me some specifications.

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<v Sam>It'll help me debug it. But apparently it worked for Yvonne,

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<v Sam>right? You played it off your computer.

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<v Ivan>Yes, I played it no problem.

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<v Sam>So Yvonne played it no problem. So maybe it's just me.

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<v Sam>Maybe it's just me. But anyway, the Check Us in 2025 episode from October 9th,

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<v Sam>2015, go check that out. You can check out our other old episodes.

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<v Sam>It's back in the area where I have a little red note saying that the show descriptions

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<v Sam>are all messed up back then. I hadn't made it back.

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<v Sam>Like every once in a while, I'll fix a month of the old show descriptions.

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<v Sam>but we got a long archive here. We've been going since 2007.

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<v Sam>So sorry about that. Anyway, I've only fixed back through 2017 at the moment, August, 2017. I,

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<v Sam>Anyway, you can find all the ways to contact us as well. You can find transcripts of recent shows.

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<v Sam>And of course, you can find a link to our Patreon where you can give Yvonne

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<v Sam>and I money at different levels. We will mention you on the show.

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<v Sam>We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. We will send you a mug, all that kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>At $2 a month or more. Or if you just ask, we will invite you to the Commissions

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<v Sam>Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and a whole bunch of our listeners are chatting

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<v Sam>throughout the week about various things and having just tons of fun.

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<v Sam>So, Yvonne, one thing from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack this week that will

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<v Sam>be so exciting, people will want to sign up and join the Slack.

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<v Sam>Or, if they're already on Slack, just come there more often.

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<v Ivan>There was threads where they apparently, Donald was announcing a new line of Trump watches, okay?

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>There is new designs in stock.

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<v Sam>There used to be Trump watches earlier, right? So this is a new...

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<v Ivan>Yeah, this is a new, new, new watches.

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<v Sam>New and better Trump watches.

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<v Ivan>New and, you know, watches. These are, yeah.

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<v Ivan>You've got the president of the United States.

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<v Ivan>Join President Trump's watch community. Be a part of history. I mean, I...

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<v Ivan>There was this movie, like, years ago, that was, oh, God.

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<v Ivan>What the heck? Jack Lemmon is president.

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<v Ivan>And he was president also with, oh, my God, this other, My Fellow Americans, it was called.

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<v Sam>My Fellow Americans.

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<v Ivan>My fellow 1996 comedies about Louisa.

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<v Ivan>He was an ex-president along with, Dan Aykroyd was the current president at the time.

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<v Ivan>And James Garner was another ex-president. And the thing is that Jack Lemmon,

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<v Ivan>as a former president, was hawking every fucking product possible as president.

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<v Ivan>I mean, he had this entire lineup of shit that he was just peddling as a former president.

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<v Ivan>And honestly, this looks just like the parody that we're making in that movie

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<v Ivan>of ex-presidents making money.

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<v Ivan>it's exactly what the fuck we're making fun of back then at that movie okay

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<v Ivan>i mean this guy is in the white house and he is out there filming commercials

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<v Ivan>for these cheap shitty watches okay out there that are another one of his fucking scams right.

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<v Sam>And like he can't get enough scams i mean.

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<v Ivan>We mentioned he's.

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<v Sam>Making making millions off the hotel he's making billions off like cryptocurrency scam bullshit.

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<v Sam>You know, he's making like, you know, huge amounts on all these guys,

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<v Sam>but he can't, he has to sell the watches too.

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<v Ivan>And the watches.

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<v Sam>And you know, it's gotta be what, it's one of these licensing deals,

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<v Sam>right? You know, where he's whatever.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm sure he's making the pay up front like everything. He doesn't want it.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>You know, they're like, hey, you write my check, a hundred million over here,

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<v Ivan>50 million, 30 million, 20 million.

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<v Ivan>Just, you write the check first and I'll do the commercial.

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<v Sam>Exactly. you know it's exactly what you want your president doing right yes

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<v Sam>well in the white house of course,

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<v Sam>Is there a corresponding exemption from the tariffs for importing those watches?

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<v Ivan>I would, I, you know what? I'm going to guess that if you go through the tariff

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<v Ivan>exemptions, I would bet my bottom dollar that that is there. Yes.

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<v Sam>Because you know they're not made in the U.S.

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<v Ivan>Come on. Come on. Give me a break. What the, what are you talking about, man?

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<v Ivan>i'm sure it's the purest and finest watch being able to made may be made in china absolutely.

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<v Sam>There you go okay we're done thank you everybody for joining us for yet another

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<v Sam>curmudgeon's corner and assuming nothing unexpected happens we will be back next week.

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<v Ivan>Hopefully a meteor doesn't hit us this week or anything of the sort.

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<v Sam>No meteor well there's that there's that three-eye atlas thing which is an clearly

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<v Sam>an alien spaceship that's coming to rendezvous and you know i.

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<v Ivan>Mean right now is it.

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<v Sam>That i'll turn i.

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<v Ivan>Mean if i i could turn every day they'll take over from from trump okay all right sure.

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<v Sam>By the way for those who aren't in touch this is another online conspiracy theory

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<v Sam>that's been spreading is that this comet it is an interstellar comet,

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<v Sam>Comet, not comment. It is an interstellar object, a third ever identified that's

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<v Sam>coming through the solar system.

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<v Sam>All the reputable scientists, of course, are looking at all the planets.

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<v Sam>It's a natural object. There's no evidence that it's actually not a natural object.

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<v Sam>It all makes sense. You have reasonable explanations for everything it's doing.

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<v Sam>But there's a huge group online who are trying to say, no, of course it's a

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<v Sam>spaceship. Of course it's an alien probe.

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<v Sam>It's going to do, you know, all these things are going to happen.

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<v Sam>And it's a big conspiracy, whatever. Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay. We are done.

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<v Sam>We will see you later. We will have one of the aliens on next week.

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<v Ivan>Oh, lovely.

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<v Sam>From the alien probe, once it gets done doing experiments on us.

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<v Ivan>I don't want any probes.

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<v Sam>No probes?

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<v Ivan>No probes.

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<v Sam>No probes. Okay. Bye for real. Goodbye.

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<v Ivan>Bye.

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<v Sam>Thank you. okay here comes the stop button see you later von all right.

