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<v Sam>Shall we jump in?

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<v Ivan>Yes. Okay.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, October 4th, 2025.

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<v Sam>It's just a couple minutes before 14.30 UTC as we're starting to record.

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<v Sam>I'm Sam Mentor, Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>You sound enthused as usual.

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<v Ivan>Well, no, I am worse. And I'll explain why.

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<v Ivan>Well, I'm not—I need surgery.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>And this week, the pain that I've been experiencing has gotten markedly worse.

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<v Ivan>That's not good. No, it's not good. I probably did it to myself.

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<v Ivan>Look, I... Well, in order to find a doctor who could figure out very quickly

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<v Ivan>what the hell my problem was, because I got a little bit frustrated with the

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<v Ivan>doctors I've been seeing here.

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<v Ivan>Well, my brother, my sister-in-law's a doctor and her office is right by another

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<v Ivan>doctor's office who pretty much was the right person to see for what my problem was.

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<v Ivan>And so last Friday, you know, I called my brother who works at the same hospital.

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<v Ivan>He's a pharmacist, not a doctor, but he knows his stuff as well.

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<v Ivan>I said, you know, I got this going on.

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<v Ivan>What do I do? And he said, hang on, because he, aside from being a pharmacist,

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<v Ivan>most of his time is spent managing the office at my sister-in-law's doctor's office.

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<v Ivan>And anybody who's been a doctor now with all the paperwork and insurance and

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<v Ivan>shit and whatever goes on, you need somebody that can do that.

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<v Ivan>And so he's the guy that does that for their practice.

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<v Ivan>So he walked over there and called me back. Well, they can see you on Monday.

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<v Ivan>Right. And I'm like, okay, so, but, okay, this is in Texas. So I had to fly

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<v Ivan>to Texas on, on Sunday to go get looked at.

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<v Ivan>And the doctor, after doing the physical examination, was able to figure out

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<v Ivan>that, yeah, you don't have a muscle strain. You don't have the particulitis.

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<v Ivan>What you have is a hernia.

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<v Ivan>I'm now realizing that this had been there for a while.

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<v Ivan>I had some minor discomfort in the past that I had put off as soreness.

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<v Sam>You'd blown it off.

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<v Ivan>Well, I put it. No, I thought I was just sore.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>You know, I thought it was just something temporary. You know, I work out a lot.

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<v Ivan>And so I just thought, no, you know, muscles get sore and you get some pain that must be just it.

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<v Ivan>And it went and it came and it went away. So it didn't stay there permanently.

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<v Ivan>But since July, it started permanently. OK, it didn't go.

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<v Ivan>That's what that's how I wound up to the doctor, because I started getting pain

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<v Ivan>and it started not going away.

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<v Ivan>But look i had to fly to texas and back

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<v Ivan>for that i i went on sunday i came back monday night and you know my brother

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<v Ivan>doesn't live in dallas or houston where there's a direct flight i had to fly

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<v Ivan>to i had to change planes to get where they live so it was basically six hours

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<v Ivan>going there six hours going back i mean i got i got home on monday like at two in the morning,

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<v Ivan>2 30 in the morning and then but okay i

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<v Ivan>also had to go to guiana now look

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<v Ivan>i i have to say i always looked at the map and i thought guiana was closer because

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<v Ivan>i knew it was right right by venezuela and i've been to caracas before and it's

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<v Ivan>like it's less than three hours well no guiana is okay,

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<v Ivan>is really much further out.

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<v Ivan>Another thing is, I mistakenly thought it was on the Caribbean Sea.

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<v Ivan>It is past Trinidad. It is on the Atlantic coast. So it is that much further out.

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<v Ivan>It's closer to five hours to get there.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yes.

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<v Ivan>And I had to go on a Wednesday night, five hours there, and then came back yesterday, five hours back.

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<v Ivan>While I was there, I started getting, the pain started getting worse because

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<v Ivan>I spent 10 hours on a fucking airplane round trip.

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<v Ivan>Plus, let me just say this.

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<v Ivan>Look, Guyana right now is experiencing a huge growth spurt.

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<v Ivan>Guyana for many, many decades was even poorer than Haiti.

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<v Ivan>Okay? In the Americas. It was

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<v Ivan>the poorest country in the Americas for an extended period of time. but.

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<v Ivan>But Venezuela's stupidity has been Guyana's gain because what happened is as

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<v Ivan>Venezuela destroyed their oil production and economy,

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<v Ivan>you know, some guys at ExxonMobil figured out, you know what,

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<v Ivan>they're bordering Venezuela, right? There's got to be oil there.

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<v Ivan>And lo and behold, in 2015, they found it. And they found a huge amount of it.

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<v Ivan>Um, and so their economy right now is booming.

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<v Ivan>Listen, you know, I started doing my, my research as I go over there and I'm

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<v Ivan>meeting with a customer, you know,

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<v Ivan>do you realize that right now Guyana has like almost like the highest GDP per

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<v Ivan>person in the Americas right now?

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<v Sam>I had no such realization.

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<v Ivan>Exactly. No, neither did I. It's like shit like that that all of a sudden I realized, holy shit.

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<v Ivan>I mean, they are basically, money is flooding in there, and the economy is the

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<v Ivan>fastest growing right now in the Americas.

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<v Ivan>Like, literally, like, it's been growing in recent years. Of course,

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<v Ivan>it started from such a low base, so it makes it happen, but it's been growing like 50% a year.

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<v Ivan>You know, crazy numbers like this.

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<v Sam>Okay?

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<v Ivan>And so, but, but, but.

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<v Sam>But, yes. Yes.

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<v Ivan>Listen, being that they were at the poorest state, their infrastructure is still,

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<v Ivan>you know, that shows that they are still, you know, one of the poorest.

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<v Ivan>The airport is, right now, it takes an hour to go from the international airport

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<v Ivan>to downtown, to the city. Okay? It's an hour drive.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>The road is about the worst road that I've had to traverse over a long distance.

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<v Ivan>I'm not saying it is the worst, but it matches the worst.

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<v Ivan>Well, after you've been on a five-hour ride, you got to take a one-hour ride in a very bumpy road.

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<v Ivan>In a car that is more made to be resistant to getting damaged rather than for

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<v Ivan>passenger comfort, back and forth, that didn't help either.

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<v Sam>In a body that's already sore.

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<v Ivan>In a body that's already having problems, that was not helpful.

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<v Ivan>I will say this one thing.

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<v Ivan>The people in Guyana, everybody that I met with, was incredibly pleasant and lovely.

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<v Ivan>And I will take any of them over most of the MAGA idiots that we have here.

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<v Ivan>I will ship them. I don't know. I will make out.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I will quickly trade for them in a heartbeat.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Okay. No questions asked. You know.

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<v Ivan>By the way, one also interesting tidbit. They are fanatics for KFC. Listen.

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<v Sam>For KFC.

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<v Ivan>KFC. Look, Sam, I'm talking insanity fanatics.

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<v Ivan>I went and I drove through, passed a couple of KFCs and they had drive-thrus.

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<v Sam>So you had some. This is the country.

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<v Ivan>No, I did not. No, no. I passed by the drive-thrus. No, no, no.

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<v Ivan>I just saw the drive-thrus. Look, I wasn't there long enough. I mean, I think I only.

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<v Sam>Was- Because I was going to ask for the comparison between their KFC and our KFC.

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<v Ivan>No, what they told me, here's what they told me. The guy told me that.

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<v Ivan>Now, remember another thing, another interesting tidbit about Guyana.

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<v Ivan>Things that I felt, but look, I hadn't visited the country before.

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<v Ivan>So I started reading up. I wanted to know about the culture, economy.

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<v Ivan>You know, I don't like going to a place without...

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<v Sam>You don't want to go in cold.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no. I want to find out everything I can about, you know,

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<v Ivan>what's happened and so forth and so on. And I, you know, I hadn't really dug into it a lot.

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<v Ivan>Largest population is of Indian descent.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>All right. The second is African slaves.

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<v Sam>Just to be clear, indigenous Americans, not like...

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. No, India.

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<v Sam>Oh, India. Okay. From India. Largest population overall?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Like greater than?

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<v Ivan>Yes. Than everything else.

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<v Sam>Wow.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And I'll explain why. Okay. This is what happened. Okay.

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<v Ivan>You know, so it's people from India. Okay. That move to, move there. Okay.

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<v Ivan>You know, descendants of African slaves. And the last one are the indigenous.

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<v Ivan>Okay. That's the smallest set. Okay. So what happened is that when...

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<v Sam>I'm confirming this, and absolutely, it's like 40% Indian, 29% African,

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<v Sam>20% mixed, 11% indigenous,

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<v Sam>and then trivial portions of European and Chinese.

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<v Ivan>Yes. And so here's how this happened, okay?

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<v Ivan>Okay, first, you know, there's gold and other, you know, valuable things in

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<v Ivan>Guyana, okay? It was a British column. They abolished slavery, right?

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<v Ivan>So what did the British at the time decide to solve? How did they decide to

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<v Ivan>solve the problem? Indentured servitude.

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<v Ivan>Okay. They brought in Indians that they put on indentured servitude contracts

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<v Ivan>that wanted to get out of India, put them on a contract, shipped them to Guyana,

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<v Ivan>and that's how they were replacing the slave labor.

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<v Sam>Okay, then.

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<v Ivan>And that's how, and by the way, that is why I had been to a few ex-British colonies, like Jamaica.

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<v Ivan>I can't remember what other, which other island I went to.

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<v Ivan>I think it was maybe in the Caymans, I experienced this, where I met a lot of

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<v Ivan>people Indian descent. And I was like, why did, you know, why the Indians?

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<v Ivan>And this is the reason the British in the 1800s decided to, when they abolished

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<v Ivan>slavery, that they replaced it with indentured servitude.

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<v Ivan>And many brought many Indians because India was a colony and many wanted to leave.

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<v Sam>Of course, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, of course. And they, and they, and it was like, because the indenture

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<v Ivan>servitude, the one thing about it is they were like, hey, it ends.

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<v Ivan>Because the contracts had a fixed definition of time. It wasn't like forever.

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<v Sam>It wasn't like slavery where your kids are going to get sold as well.

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<v Ivan>No, it was like, it was a period of time. And then after the period of time

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<v Ivan>and then you, whatever. And so a lot of them took the deal.

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<v Sam>Just to be clear, generally speaking, those contracts were set up in such a

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<v Sam>way that they kind of trapped you anyway.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, they tried to – yes, yes, yes.

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<v Sam>It was like – It was very hard to actually get out of those under the theoretical terms.

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<v Ivan>Because they would add debt to it and then you owed more and so then it would

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<v Ivan>file on so it would add more time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>But the vision was like, hey, the contract ended. And in many cases,

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<v Ivan>even though they trapped him, eventually they ended and it didn't carry on to

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<v Ivan>the next generation and so forth.

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<v Ivan>So therefore, but so that's how, so that was the, so that's the thing,

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<v Ivan>which is why, you know, also it's like number one sport is cricket.

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<v Ivan>It's also another thing, but, but, you know, but like, so, so the,

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<v Ivan>the guy that I was speaking to who took me around, who's also of Indian descent,

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<v Ivan>explained to me that the thing about the KFC.

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<v Ivan>Well, he believes that basically they take whatever the herbs and spices they

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<v Ivan>send, and they basically double them up.

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<v Ivan>So that's the KFC local. Basically, it is the same, except if you remember herbs

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<v Ivan>and spices, it's doubled up on herbs and spices.

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<v Ivan>Okay. okay and and the sam the

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<v Ivan>drive-through the car lines there were like 15

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<v Ivan>20 cars long 25 it

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<v Ivan>was they would wrap around the block okay it

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<v Ivan>was like it was worse than any lines that i've seen a

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<v Ivan>chick-fil-a which i i don't see them like having those lines anymore

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<v Ivan>i realize they're not they're not as you know but

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<v Ivan>yeah it was like kind of like that was crazy so i i saw

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<v Ivan>that so that was like the one thing that that stood out uh

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<v Ivan>now you got me wanting some kfc i know kfc

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<v Ivan>is good but like i said he we both said yeah but

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<v Ivan>i'm like you know i haven't eaten in a while because i'm like you know we're

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<v Ivan>trying to you know it's it's just but but it's it's i mean i i i like it so

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<v Ivan>so anyway so it it was it was just quite interesting but it's also i mean you

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<v Ivan>can see obviously how the i mean,

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<v Ivan>the poverty that,

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<v Ivan>you know, it's starting to, like, be...

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<v Ivan>Covered up to some way, but, but man, I mean, you could see how.

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<v Sam>But it's still there. Yeah. Because generally speaking, when you have sort of

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<v Sam>the kind of rapid growth you're talking about, it is not evenly distributed.

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<v Ivan>It isn't, but it is being distributed. I will say that you can tell that's why

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<v Ivan>so many people are like, one thing they were talking about was that right now,

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<v Ivan>a country that had very few cars, that right now they're basically registering

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<v Ivan>about 3,000 new cars a month.

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<v Ivan>And this is so even they are extremely taxed as well.

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<v Ivan>And they are building a new highway to the airport. Okay. All right.

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<v Ivan>That is not finished yet.

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<v Ivan>They did build this new airport, which is, it's gotta be one of the smallest

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<v Ivan>airports I've been to outside of being in a, one of these Caribbean Island airports.

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<v Ivan>Okay. um it is one of

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<v Ivan>the smallest international airports that

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<v Ivan>that i've ever been to it's pretty

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<v Ivan>new and shiny it's a little bit of a it's a little

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<v Ivan>bit of a wonky design but hey it's it's nice and

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<v Ivan>clean it's got food it's got gates

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<v Ivan>it's air conditioned it's you know i mean

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<v Ivan>you know it looks it looks decent it's

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<v Ivan>a the design is it's a little bit weird because

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<v Ivan>the gates don't actually have the

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<v Ivan>waiting areas there there is like this general and actually

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<v Ivan>the signage if they put now that i know the

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<v Ivan>the drill i know how to maneuver it

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<v Ivan>but they didn't have signs there that explain this there's this

00:15:43.340 --> 00:15:47.300
<v Ivan>general waiting area that is on the first floor and then when your flight gets

00:15:47.300 --> 00:15:51.840
<v Ivan>called you go up to a second level and you walk over to the gate and then you

00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:59.000
<v Ivan>go in but there isn't a waiting area at the gate itself ah right okay so so

00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.240
<v Ivan>that was a little bit like confusing at first because I.

00:16:02.260 --> 00:16:05.800
<v Ivan>They need to the only thing they really the only thing that was missing was

00:16:05.800 --> 00:16:12.100
<v Ivan>really the signage to make it clear but it was you know nice clean good the

00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:16.900
<v Ivan>security is better than a lot of other airports I've seen I'll tell you what they had a good,

00:16:17.910 --> 00:16:23.290
<v Ivan>equipment and things and stuff and whatever. And the hotel was new and shiny.

00:16:23.870 --> 00:16:27.130
<v Ivan>Another very interesting thing. They asked me, what about the beaches?

00:16:27.610 --> 00:16:30.270
<v Ivan>And I'm like, well, no beaches.

00:16:30.850 --> 00:16:31.350
<v Sam>Okay.

00:16:31.470 --> 00:16:38.610
<v Ivan>And the reason is, at first, I thought I looked at the water and I'm like,

00:16:38.710 --> 00:16:41.070
<v Ivan>is that mud or is it pollution?

00:16:41.330 --> 00:16:46.870
<v Ivan>And I'm like, I've been, but I've been to places that have rivers and waters that are

00:16:46.930 --> 00:16:49.950
<v Ivan>very polluted and it's a lot of times very obvious

00:16:49.950 --> 00:16:52.710
<v Ivan>from the smell you know it's just

00:16:52.710 --> 00:16:55.390
<v Ivan>you know like in brazil specifically i remember that you know

00:16:55.390 --> 00:16:58.150
<v Ivan>you'd get to these polluted waterways and the stench from the

00:16:58.150 --> 00:17:02.070
<v Ivan>water is just yeah god it's awful that's the

00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:05.770
<v Ivan>one that i remember most specifically but that wasn't that's not it at all it's

00:17:05.770 --> 00:17:10.750
<v Ivan>not it's not pollution either it what happens is that they get runoff from major

00:17:10.750 --> 00:17:16.630
<v Ivan>rivers going there including the amazon and that runoff actually is carrying

00:17:16.630 --> 00:17:19.390
<v Ivan>quite a lot of mud, like a lot of mud.

00:17:19.610 --> 00:17:26.470
<v Ivan>Like, it's just, but a lot of mud because these are very powerful rivers that are sending there.

00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:32.390
<v Ivan>So all the water, like literally, when you go and look at it, looks like mud.

00:17:32.570 --> 00:17:37.970
<v Ivan>And if you went and it's the, actually, it is the muddiest coast in the world

00:17:37.970 --> 00:17:41.550
<v Ivan>is that I figured, because I looked at it and I'm like, is that mud?

00:17:41.690 --> 00:17:43.830
<v Ivan>And so I had to look at it. That looks like mud.

00:17:44.370 --> 00:17:51.370
<v Ivan>That was my thought. And I looked it up that Guyana has the muddiest water coast anywhere.

00:17:51.790 --> 00:17:54.630
<v Ivan>Basically, if you went into the water like, yo, let me go to the beach.

00:17:54.690 --> 00:17:57.790
<v Ivan>Let me take a dip. You'd come out and you're like basically caked in mud.

00:17:58.330 --> 00:18:00.910
<v Ivan>Not exactly really the best beachgoing experience.

00:18:01.190 --> 00:18:02.730
<v Sam>At least a different experience.

00:18:02.810 --> 00:18:06.290
<v Ivan>It would be quite a different one. It's not like you're going to come out polluted.

00:18:06.430 --> 00:18:07.650
<v Ivan>It's just you're going to be covered in mud.

00:18:08.190 --> 00:18:11.810
<v Ivan>I mean, I know some people that like being covered in mud. I've seen this.

00:18:11.990 --> 00:18:16.130
<v Ivan>Okay, you know, but mud fights or whatever. I'm not one that likes to go get covered in mud.

00:18:16.570 --> 00:18:19.270
<v Sam>Yeah, no, it's never appealed to me either.

00:18:19.930 --> 00:18:24.890
<v Ivan>Yeah, I saw these people at camp going to get into mud fights in the mud,

00:18:24.930 --> 00:18:25.950
<v Ivan>and I'm like, ah, no, thank you.

00:18:26.270 --> 00:18:27.410
<v Sam>Yeah, no, no.

00:18:28.110 --> 00:18:28.950
<v Ivan>I'm out. Thank you.

00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:30.270
<v Sam>Okay, so...

00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:34.330
<v Ivan>So anyway, so yes, all of this travel and getting to know...

00:18:34.330 --> 00:18:37.570
<v Ivan>Look, I will say, quite a cool experience.

00:18:37.890 --> 00:18:42.590
<v Ivan>Okay, all right. I don't know, I didn't look into... is there any way to like

00:18:42.590 --> 00:18:46.550
<v Ivan>get some proper tourism, like to get to know like the country?

00:18:46.670 --> 00:18:50.430
<v Ivan>I didn't go, I didn't get, get time to research, to go into research it.

00:18:50.510 --> 00:18:53.590
<v Ivan>But what I will say is that despite the fact that, you know,

00:18:54.650 --> 00:18:56.430
<v Ivan>poor, whatever, there's not a lot of hotels.

00:18:56.570 --> 00:19:00.310
<v Ivan>I mean, the hotel that I stayed at was, was a nice hotel, but,

00:19:00.510 --> 00:19:06.230
<v Ivan>but it's not like a five-star hotel, but the rate was for a five-star hotel. It was like $500 a night.

00:19:07.330 --> 00:19:10.050
<v Ivan>And I was like, geez, okay. So, so,

00:19:11.310 --> 00:19:14.490
<v Ivan>Man, the people are so lovely. I really had a great time.

00:19:14.750 --> 00:19:20.890
<v Ivan>That really was, you know, that was the positive of my experience.

00:19:21.310 --> 00:19:25.710
<v Ivan>You know, it's like, it's just quite a lovely group of people.

00:19:25.890 --> 00:19:28.670
<v Ivan>I really liked, you know, being there.

00:19:29.150 --> 00:19:34.370
<v Sam>Now, before I do my but first segment, and once again, I've forgotten the agenda

00:19:34.370 --> 00:19:35.190
<v Sam>at the beginning of the show.

00:19:35.330 --> 00:19:37.770
<v Sam>We're doing our but first where we sort of talk about personal stuff,

00:19:37.930 --> 00:19:41.350
<v Sam>movies, whatever. And then we'll get into the news in the next segment.

00:19:41.590 --> 00:19:44.070
<v Ivan>Oh, I am scheduled for surgery on November 5th.

00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:47.470
<v Sam>That's what I was going to ask is what's your date? So you got a while yet.

00:19:47.570 --> 00:19:48.470
<v Sam>That's like a month away.

00:19:49.550 --> 00:19:50.690
<v Ivan>I have a while.

00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:54.210
<v Sam>And it's getting worse. So that's not a good combination.

00:19:54.650 --> 00:20:00.910
<v Ivan>Well, the one thing is I think I made it worse this week. I'm going to go to rest.

00:20:01.490 --> 00:20:02.950
<v Sam>That seems like a good idea.

00:20:03.430 --> 00:20:06.770
<v Ivan>You know, I'm going to give it by I'm going to rest.

00:20:07.490 --> 00:20:12.190
<v Ivan>I will say that it's a good another good thing is that I got an I got my a new

00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:19.130
<v Ivan>chair for my office and I will say that I've noticed that sitting in the air

00:20:19.130 --> 00:20:24.190
<v Ivan>on chair makes a big difference where I when I'm sitting here I'm actually not

00:20:24.190 --> 00:20:25.590
<v Ivan>experiencing pain at all.

00:20:26.070 --> 00:20:32.550
<v Ivan>OK, so that's that's a big that's a big plus apparently about getting the new chair.

00:20:32.550 --> 00:20:35.710
<v Ivan>So so probably being at home and not

00:20:35.710 --> 00:20:38.790
<v Ivan>sitting on some random thing and sitting

00:20:38.790 --> 00:20:44.970
<v Ivan>on an airplane for you know 10 hours i i literally sat over 20 hours on a plane

00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:50.590
<v Ivan>this week probably not the best smartest thing probably not but you know i had

00:20:50.590 --> 00:20:55.630
<v Ivan>no i had no many other choices look i i planned this meeting with these guys

00:20:55.630 --> 00:20:57.170
<v Ivan>i'd been working on this it had been.

00:20:58.270 --> 00:21:01.670
<v Ivan>For months. It was just, it was months and months.

00:21:01.770 --> 00:21:06.750
<v Ivan>I probably, I started talking to this customer in, started talking directly to them.

00:21:06.830 --> 00:21:12.010
<v Ivan>I'd been sending trading messages or whatever, but really, really nitty gritty in March. Okay.

00:21:12.310 --> 00:21:17.490
<v Ivan>And we had set up for our first in-person meeting now.

00:21:17.490 --> 00:21:22.930
<v Ivan>And very close to getting, you know, this deal completed. And I met with their,

00:21:23.410 --> 00:21:28.010
<v Ivan>it was with their CIO and their CEO. And I'm like, I can't blow this damn meeting off.

00:21:28.690 --> 00:21:33.390
<v Ivan>After it's been set up for so long. I got to suck it up and do this.

00:21:33.790 --> 00:21:37.850
<v Ivan>So, you know, I did. And it was, I know that I've paid, but I'm like,

00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:40.650
<v Ivan>it was worth it in the sense of, it was a great meeting with them.

00:21:40.810 --> 00:21:44.590
<v Ivan>It was nice to see the country.

00:21:45.090 --> 00:21:50.610
<v Ivan>You know, the only thing we ever hear about Guyana is like Jim Jones.

00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:53.690
<v Ivan>I mean, basically, if you ask anybody.

00:21:54.090 --> 00:21:58.030
<v Sam>If they know anything about the country. I made a Kool-Aid joke as soon as Yvonne mentioned it.

00:21:58.270 --> 00:22:01.990
<v Ivan>It's the only, it's the only, I mean, the first, you say that name and that's

00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:03.910
<v Ivan>the first thing that comes to anybody's mind.

00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:10.250
<v Ivan>And I'm really glad to be able now to not have that as my first thought when

00:22:10.250 --> 00:22:11.650
<v Ivan>we talk about the country of Guyana.

00:22:11.970 --> 00:22:13.970
<v Ivan>And I'm very happy about that.

00:22:14.510 --> 00:22:17.830
<v Sam>Okay. So I'll do my stuff real quick.

00:22:18.190 --> 00:22:22.930
<v Sam>So first of all, I am going to do movies and I'm not going to let this be the

00:22:22.930 --> 00:22:24.990
<v Sam>whole thing, but I'm also traveling.

00:22:25.310 --> 00:22:28.690
<v Sam>Anybody who's watching our video live stream will notice I have a different background.

00:22:28.690 --> 00:22:33.410
<v Ivan>Your background looks very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

00:22:33.410 --> 00:22:36.430
<v Ivan>very different. Definitely doesn't look like your house.

00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:41.390
<v Sam>I'm at an Airbnb in Toronto. I'm visiting my sister.

00:22:41.650 --> 00:22:46.670
<v Sam>I have a nephew who is now six months old that I'm visiting for the first time.

00:22:47.030 --> 00:22:50.930
<v Sam>So that's very nice. Get to hold the baby and like play with it.

00:22:51.110 --> 00:22:56.350
<v Sam>It's old enough. so it like is a you know it's interactive a little bit it's

00:22:56.350 --> 00:23:00.430
<v Sam>not just sleeping all the time and crying you know it does a little bit of stuff

00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:05.290
<v Sam>but it's not yet a toddler so we're still in that middle zone but you can.

00:23:05.290 --> 00:23:06.890
<v Ivan>Hold it you can hold the baby.

00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:11.450
<v Sam>You can hold the baby you can sort of bounce it you can like yeah yeah yeah

00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:16.610
<v Sam>it's like looking at you it's old enough it's like laughing and Yes. Yes.

00:23:16.850 --> 00:23:18.230
<v Ivan>It's great time. Yes.

00:23:18.530 --> 00:23:23.750
<v Sam>So having a lot of fun also getting to chat with my sister and have a couple

00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:27.490
<v Sam>of conversations with her husband for really the first time I met him like for

00:23:27.490 --> 00:23:28.810
<v Sam>five minutes at the wedding,

00:23:29.070 --> 00:23:32.710
<v Sam>you know, but otherwise have not had a time to like sit down and really chat

00:23:32.710 --> 00:23:34.930
<v Sam>with him or anything. So I've done that a little bit.

00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:39.930
<v Sam>So it's a lot of fun. And I was traveling. I was, I was a little bit,

00:23:40.290 --> 00:23:43.010
<v Sam>you know, for, yeah, I don't travel that often.

00:23:43.110 --> 00:23:46.070
<v Sam>And we also had this government shutdown going on. So I was worried,

00:23:46.150 --> 00:23:48.450
<v Sam>like, am I going to have like massive TSA delays?

00:23:49.110 --> 00:23:52.630
<v Sam>Am I going to have, you know, issues with customs, whatever.

00:23:53.610 --> 00:23:58.250
<v Sam>And I'll just say that there was a delay. The plane itself was delayed more

00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:01.750
<v Sam>than four hours, but it was a, it was a mechanical issue.

00:24:01.770 --> 00:24:02.510
<v Ivan>What hour line did you fly in?

00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:04.400
<v Ivan>Alaska? Air Canada?

00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:09.180
<v Sam>This way was Air Canada. I'm going back on Alaska. But, you know,

00:24:09.280 --> 00:24:10.540
<v Sam>there was a mechanical issue.

00:24:10.660 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Sam>The plane that was, like, it was a plane that was coming, it was just going

00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:17.980
<v Sam>back and forth between Toronto and Seattle, right?

00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:23.720
<v Sam>So it hadn't left Toronto yet because there was some sort of mechanical issue.

00:24:23.860 --> 00:24:27.100
<v Sam>Turns out they switched out the plane because they'd already,

00:24:27.100 --> 00:24:31.260
<v Sam>like, boarded people onto the plane and they were taxing and they had to bring

00:24:31.260 --> 00:24:36.180
<v Sam>them back to the gate and pull them all off. and find another plane and all that kind of stuff.

00:24:36.380 --> 00:24:40.540
<v Sam>And so it was like four hours late for that. But like, you know,

00:24:41.420 --> 00:24:46.420
<v Sam>going through security in Seattle was incredibly quick. It was just minutes.

00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:48.220
<v Sam>Like I got through the whole thing.

00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:55.020
<v Sam>Like, you know, we have that clear thing, but I was like, I didn't even bother

00:24:55.020 --> 00:24:58.180
<v Sam>to try to figure it out because the line was going so fast and everything.

00:24:59.100 --> 00:25:04.060
<v Sam>And I haven't been through U.S. customs heading back yet. That'll be when I head back.

00:25:04.280 --> 00:25:07.700
<v Sam>And they're the ones who are being assholes right now. But like.

00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:12.680
<v Ivan>Well, make sure that you, and this is advice for anybody, that if you don't

00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.940
<v Ivan>have a global entry, okay, there is the mobile passport control app,

00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:25.040
<v Ivan>okay, that what you do is once you land, it lets you like do the punch in the information.

00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:29.840
<v Ivan>So that way they scan with the code. It expedites that process.

00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Sam>Okay. so like u.s has one of those too i did one

00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.140
<v Sam>of those for canada but like u.s has one yes but

00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:43.300
<v Sam>but all i was gonna say is like canadian customs look took like 10 seconds yeah

00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:49.260
<v Sam>i i did that little app and then you know you had to go to a kiosk and confirm

00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:53.300
<v Sam>that what you'd done on the app was correct and i was like yes and i suppose

00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:55.220
<v Sam>if you hadn't done it on the app you could do the whole

00:25:55.260 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Sam>thing at the kiosk, but like I'd done it on the app.

00:25:58.020 --> 00:26:03.440
<v Sam>So I, and then like, you know, you, you go up to the little guy and you know,

00:26:03.600 --> 00:26:06.300
<v Sam>the last time I went to Canada, when I went up to the little guy,

00:26:06.580 --> 00:26:10.020
<v Sam>they, they asked me some questions, not a lot of questions, but they asked me

00:26:10.020 --> 00:26:13.480
<v Sam>like, you know, 30 seconds worth of, why are you here? What are you about this time?

00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:15.860
<v Sam>It was like, okay, good. Have a nice time.

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.660
<v Sam>No, no questions at all. Just waved me through.

00:26:19.470 --> 00:26:22.970
<v Ivan>Well, I will say I have global entry. So right now, basically,

00:26:23.230 --> 00:26:28.310
<v Ivan>the process is I walk up to a kiosk, scans my face. I don't even pull out my passport.

00:26:28.530 --> 00:26:32.610
<v Ivan>And then I walk past a person who confirms that they have a picture of me and

00:26:32.610 --> 00:26:35.010
<v Ivan>they call my name and I go. So that's pretty much it.

00:26:35.350 --> 00:26:37.770
<v Ivan>That's all it involves. Not even filling out a form.

00:26:38.830 --> 00:26:44.030
<v Ivan>Going to Guyana. So usually when I go to a country that I haven't been to,

00:26:44.150 --> 00:26:48.550
<v Ivan>I try to look up whether there's anything to fill out for entry. Okay.

00:26:49.070 --> 00:26:53.630
<v Ivan>For some reason on the American Airlines app, it didn't show that there was an entry form.

00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:57.510
<v Ivan>In some countries, I've been to either you get a paper form when you get there.

00:26:58.090 --> 00:27:02.050
<v Ivan>Most of them have them electronic like right now. But I try to look up,

00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:05.410
<v Ivan>hey, is there any form to fill out? It didn't say anything on the app.

00:27:05.810 --> 00:27:10.290
<v Ivan>When I get there, I go and they have these automated kiosks that are now,

00:27:10.770 --> 00:27:16.270
<v Ivan>Dominican Republic has these for departure control, where you put your passport, it scans it.

00:27:16.270 --> 00:27:19.550
<v Ivan>And when it does, it looks up to see if you filled out your form,

00:27:19.810 --> 00:27:20.970
<v Ivan>confirms, and whatever.

00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:27.070
<v Sam>So I didn't want to get into all this detail. My only point on this before dropping in movies.

00:27:27.170 --> 00:27:32.950
<v Ivan>But here's the thing. What happened when I got there? Look, it didn't say anything about any form.

00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:35.250
<v Ivan>And I've been to countries where right now they're not requiring forms.

00:27:35.570 --> 00:27:38.050
<v Ivan>I want to get to go over there, put my passport on the thing.

00:27:38.150 --> 00:27:42.510
<v Ivan>It's rejecting me. Well, you got to fill out the form. I'm like, oh, I have no form.

00:27:43.230 --> 00:27:48.210
<v Ivan>So I had to go try to fill it out. And by the way, the CAPTCHA on this form,

00:27:48.590 --> 00:27:50.150
<v Ivan>I don't know what the hell.

00:27:50.710 --> 00:27:57.410
<v Ivan>The worst CAPTCHA in history. I literally had to type it, I think, for entry and exit.

00:27:57.610 --> 00:28:03.470
<v Ivan>I kept typing it. Like, I did it more than 10 times. It kept regretting my CAPTCHA.

00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:09.090
<v Ivan>Do you realize how annoying it is? All the capital letter, a small letter. I hate these things.

00:28:09.790 --> 00:28:12.610
<v Sam>Okay, fine. Can I move on now?

00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:13.750
<v Ivan>You can move on.

00:28:13.930 --> 00:28:17.850
<v Sam>My entire point was just like, I was worried because of the governmental shutdown,

00:28:17.850 --> 00:28:20.050
<v Sam>there would be delays. There were none for me.

00:28:20.210 --> 00:28:20.350
<v Ivan>No.

00:28:20.850 --> 00:28:26.090
<v Sam>There were none. Everything was smooth and rapid and, you know,

00:28:26.450 --> 00:28:29.630
<v Sam>aside from the mechanical delay on the plane, which cost me four hours.

00:28:29.770 --> 00:28:33.990
<v Sam>But luckily, I got the notification of that before I left home.

00:28:35.990 --> 00:28:40.070
<v Sam>So, like, you know, I wasn't stuck at the airport that whole time.

00:28:40.270 --> 00:28:42.290
<v Ivan>That's good. Yeah. That's always good.

00:28:42.290 --> 00:28:43.550
<v Sam>You know when.

00:28:43.550 --> 00:28:46.350
<v Ivan>I get the notification that my flight's been canceled and i haven't made it

00:28:46.350 --> 00:28:47.790
<v Ivan>to the airport i'm like oh good.

00:28:47.790 --> 00:28:50.550
<v Sam>Yeah and like you know

00:28:50.550 --> 00:28:53.250
<v Sam>and honestly i needed the extra time to get

00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:59.450
<v Sam>ready like i i i was hurrying to try to rush and get out the door i got the

00:28:59.450 --> 00:29:03.690
<v Sam>notification that it was first it was delayed one hour and then later they delayed

00:29:03.690 --> 00:29:08.530
<v Sam>it another three hours and so as soon as i got the it's delayed one hour i went

00:29:08.530 --> 00:29:13.090
<v Sam>from like rushing to get everything ready to I'm going to take my time.

00:29:14.190 --> 00:29:21.970
<v Sam>I'm just going to relax. I'll do this slowly. I'm not going to worry about it. And then, you know,

00:29:23.300 --> 00:29:30.020
<v Sam>Anyway, so I ended up getting to the airport minutes before my original flight would have left. Yeah.

00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:30.300
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.320
<v Sam>You know, so now, but my behavior had changed. Like if my flight was still.

00:29:36.580 --> 00:29:38.280
<v Ivan>You weren't stressed out in a rush.

00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Sam>Yeah. Like if it was leaving at the time it was supposed to leave,

00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Sam>I would have gotten out the door a lot quicker.

00:29:46.300 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Sam>You know, I just took my time.

00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.180
<v Sam>Anyway, no more travel adventures. We've had enough travel adventures,

00:29:53.360 --> 00:30:02.140
<v Sam>so I could go blow by blow with more travel stuff, including some interesting stories.

00:30:02.280 --> 00:30:08.180
<v Sam>But I will skip that, because instead, it's been a couple weeks since I did

00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:11.560
<v Sam>movies, so I'm going to do at least one. At least one, damn it.

00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:13.900
<v Ivan>All right, we need to do a movie. Okay.

00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:22.640
<v Sam>Okay. The movie Dark Days from the year 2000. this is not one that anybody is

00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.520
<v Sam>likely to have really heard of probably okay.

00:30:25.520 --> 00:30:28.280
<v Ivan>Good yeah i'm like what the hell i don't know what the hell this is okay.

00:30:28.280 --> 00:30:35.420
<v Sam>It is a because it is a documentary that and you know yeah documentaries are

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:43.060
<v Sam>often you know big box office blockbusters right you know yes yes people are just running number one.

00:30:43.060 --> 00:30:48.460
<v Ivan>Movie uh number one movies of all time i think top five, like grossing is all documentaries.

00:30:48.820 --> 00:30:53.060
<v Sam>Yes, exactly. So no, this was a small little movie.

00:30:53.260 --> 00:30:58.280
<v Sam>It was about homeless people in Manhattan, you know?

00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Sam>And so specifically it was, it was released in 2000, but it was shot in the mid 1990s.

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:13.860
<v Sam>It, it was a lot of the people who sort of specifically it was focusing on people

00:31:13.860 --> 00:31:19.880
<v Sam>who were living in old Amtrak tunnels that were not.

00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:25.620
<v Sam>And some of them were not in active use, others, you know, the tunnels in use,

00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:29.420
<v Sam>but there's places off to the side where there's room, you know,

00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.460
<v Sam>it's not like every single space is taken up by the train.

00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:41.180
<v Sam>And so it follows basically a community of homeless people there and sort of the,

00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Sam>they'd built themselves like make two shelters and little houses like within

00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.280
<v Sam>the tunnels where they lived.

00:31:51.280 --> 00:31:57.640
<v Sam>But there were, you know, people who, you know, there were some that lived by

00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Sam>themselves in their little things.

00:31:59.080 --> 00:32:04.360
<v Sam>There were people who lived as roommates. They had populated their little shelters

00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:08.740
<v Sam>with, you know, furniture and appliances and things that they'd,

00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:10.780
<v Sam>like, scavenged from elsewhere.

00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:15.800
<v Sam>And it follows their story up through the point where, you know,

00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.320
<v Sam>Amtrak basically kicks them all out because they're going to start using the

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:20.320
<v Sam>tunnel again or whatever.

00:32:20.320 --> 00:32:24.740
<v Sam>And you know and obviously these

00:32:24.740 --> 00:32:27.740
<v Sam>people have various levels of

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:32.460
<v Sam>issues there's drug addiction issues their mental health issues there are other

00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Sam>things going on you know some of them are more sympathetic than others but you

00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Sam>you know you get to know them as like you know look these are human beings.

00:32:46.460 --> 00:32:51.140
<v Sam>They're down on their luck for various reasons. They've got various issues they're

00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:56.020
<v Sam>working through, but they have lives. They talk about their families a little

00:32:56.020 --> 00:32:58.320
<v Sam>bit. They talk about how they got down there.

00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:02.980
<v Sam>Some of them talk about how, yes, they had opportunities to go elsewhere,

00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.460
<v Sam>but they chose to be there and here's why.

00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:14.280
<v Sam>And you feel for these people when their living space gets destroyed and things

00:33:14.280 --> 00:33:20.600
<v Sam>like that so you know it's i'll give it a thumbs up i mean obviously this is

00:33:20.600 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Sam>not you know you're sort of.

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.300
<v Ivan>It's not a comedy it is not a comedy oh my god you gotta be kidding me so you

00:33:28.300 --> 00:33:31.940
<v Ivan>weren't laughing your ass off to this entire movie i wasn't.

00:33:31.940 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Sam>Laughing my ass off.

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:37.020
<v Ivan>So you're you're not like you know so you're not like some maga head that would

00:33:37.020 --> 00:33:39.820
<v Ivan>have been just watching this and watching these people suffer and going,

00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Ivan>ah, look at those losers!

00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:49.760
<v Sam>Yeah, exactly. I mean, and, you know, look, it's also not, you know...

00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Ivan>Sam, the problem is they don't have bootstraps, Sam.

00:33:54.280 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Sam>Yeah, they're not picking themselves up by their bootstraps.

00:33:56.980 --> 00:34:00.940
<v Ivan>They don't have boot... And it's this whole thing where we've moved away from

00:34:00.940 --> 00:34:05.600
<v Ivan>boots and some people don't have bootstraps anymore, Sam. I'm telling you.

00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:07.860
<v Sam>That's right. But you just can't do the same thing with sneakers.

00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.780
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

00:34:09.940 --> 00:34:12.760
<v Sam>No. But I was going to say, it's also not the type.

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.960
<v Sam>Like, there's some documentaries that are narrator heavy, where the narrator

00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.180
<v Sam>talks you through the story.

00:34:20.770 --> 00:34:23.810
<v Sam>If there was a narrator here, I barely even remember them.

00:34:24.170 --> 00:34:29.630
<v Sam>It was, you know, basically, I think there was an interviewer,

00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:32.650
<v Sam>but even the interviewer, you didn't hear very much.

00:34:32.930 --> 00:34:39.030
<v Sam>You basically heard these people speaking in their own voices about their own lives, you know.

00:34:39.310 --> 00:34:43.850
<v Sam>And so it was powerful in that way. It apparently did win a few awards,

00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:49.950
<v Sam>won a Sundance Award for, you know, cinematography, documentary, etc.

00:34:50.790 --> 00:34:55.430
<v Sam>Won South by Southwest Film Award as well, a few others.

00:34:56.110 --> 00:35:00.790
<v Sam>Anyway, thumbs up. I liked it. You know, if you're in a in the mood for a more

00:35:00.790 --> 00:35:06.310
<v Sam>serious documentary, I mean, it is, it was 1990s that it was filmed.

00:35:06.470 --> 00:35:09.550
<v Sam>So this isn't current, per se.

00:35:09.770 --> 00:35:12.630
<v Sam>I mean, that was, it's a long time ago now, right? You know,

00:35:12.790 --> 00:35:14.290
<v Sam>but, but it was still good.

00:35:14.370 --> 00:35:18.550
<v Sam>And I think most of the problems that they're highlighting probably have not

00:35:18.550 --> 00:35:22.290
<v Sam>changed all that much, you know, in the subsequent 20 years.

00:35:22.570 --> 00:35:26.550
<v Ivan>Hell, some right now, especially under this administration, has gotten worse.

00:35:26.990 --> 00:35:30.070
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, these are not problems we have solved.

00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:35.310
<v Ivan>No, no, we got, you know, we have so many places right now, especially in,

00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:41.870
<v Ivan>I mean, even in democratic states, we're trying to make homelessness like illegal.

00:35:41.870 --> 00:35:49.370
<v Sam>Well, I mean, this is one of the fundamental problems is that in a lot of policy

00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:54.810
<v Sam>making to deal with homelessness, they're not really dealing with homelessness.

00:35:54.810 --> 00:36:00.770
<v Sam>They're trying to make it so that quote unquote regular people don't see it.

00:36:00.770 --> 00:36:01.610
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:36:01.830 --> 00:36:05.170
<v Sam>You know, they want to make it less visible. They don't want to actually solve

00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:08.790
<v Sam>the problem because so their policies are dealing with like,

00:36:08.890 --> 00:36:11.210
<v Sam>oh, let's go every every few weeks.

00:36:11.330 --> 00:36:14.230
<v Sam>Let's clean up the homeless encampments or whatever.

00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:17.490
<v Ivan>And not actually addressing, hey, guys, why are you homeless?

00:36:17.730 --> 00:36:20.870
<v Ivan>How can we help you to try to get you out of homelessness?

00:36:21.370 --> 00:36:27.110
<v Ivan>Okay. And look, in some cases, by the way, it's not like there are many cases

00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:28.330
<v Ivan>where you can provide help.

00:36:28.510 --> 00:36:32.370
<v Ivan>But also, by the way, there's a lot of people that are actually voluntarily homeless as well.

00:36:32.890 --> 00:36:36.690
<v Ivan>They're trying to live off the grid. They don't want to be.

00:36:36.690 --> 00:36:40.130
<v Sam>Although very often that is tied with mental illness as well. So they're.

00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:40.730
<v Ivan>Yes, but.

00:36:40.750 --> 00:36:42.010
<v Sam>Not always, not always.

00:36:42.190 --> 00:36:46.570
<v Ivan>Yeah, but the thing is, it is, it is, but the problem is, again,

00:36:46.810 --> 00:36:48.330
<v Ivan>it used to be in the old days.

00:36:48.450 --> 00:36:51.530
<v Ivan>What did we do with people that we considered mentally ill? Exactly.

00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:56.070
<v Ivan>And so that it's, it's one of those things where if, if.

00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.490
<v Sam>There is a fundamental thing that back.

00:36:58.830 --> 00:36:59.490
<v Ivan>It gets very.

00:36:59.990 --> 00:37:03.490
<v Sam>Going back to the 80s, I think it was during the Reagan administration where

00:37:03.490 --> 00:37:07.890
<v Sam>they sort of decided, you know, We're going to move away from this installation,

00:37:09.720 --> 00:37:12.660
<v Sam>institutionalization approach and we're going to let people

00:37:12.660 --> 00:37:15.700
<v Sam>out but the problem is they didn't replace it with anything

00:37:15.700 --> 00:37:21.380
<v Sam>to like actually help these people right um you know so and i i generally like

00:37:21.380 --> 00:37:28.460
<v Sam>there's a place for inpatient care for the mentally ill but there's if you're

00:37:28.460 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Sam>not and but it was overused it was massively in.

00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:34.660
<v Ivan>Many cases it was involuntary.

00:37:34.660 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Sam>Which is also the problem because it gets into

00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.560
<v Sam>the way that the way that institutionalization worked

00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:45.120
<v Sam>there were many people locked up that shouldn't have been that could have been

00:37:45.120 --> 00:37:51.080
<v Sam>living good lives on the outside with the proper care right um and the problem

00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Sam>is that didn't exist and you know like you said that it was sort of hide people

00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Sam>away as well you didn't want them visible but then when they moved away from that,

00:38:01.620 --> 00:38:04.520
<v Sam>the right, there was nothing there to replace it.

00:38:04.620 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Sam>There was nothing there to serve those people.

00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:11.500
<v Sam>And so you ended up with lots of people on the street and you add economic stress,

00:38:11.720 --> 00:38:13.580
<v Sam>you add drug issues, you add all this.

00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:21.940
<v Sam>But yeah, the, the, yes, it seems trivially like, like duh,

00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.780
<v Sam>that for all of these sorts of problems, the real way to deal with them is to

00:38:26.780 --> 00:38:29.200
<v Sam>find the root causes and deal with root causes,

00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:34.680
<v Sam>not to try to deal with the symptoms, but a significant portion of our political

00:38:34.680 --> 00:38:40.140
<v Sam>world just doesn't like the idea of preventative stuff, of dealing with root causes,

00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Sam>of we don't want to give people help that don't deserve it, you know, all this kind of stuff.

00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:49.740
<v Sam>Whereas in a number of places, like compared to other countries,

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Sam>compared to places where there have been limited scale testing,

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:56.160
<v Sam>you know, the best solution is,

00:38:56.650 --> 00:39:00.650
<v Sam>to homelessness is give people homes get.

00:39:00.650 --> 00:39:01.650
<v Ivan>Out of town.

00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:04.850
<v Sam>You know no and wait nah.

00:39:04.850 --> 00:39:06.270
<v Ivan>Nah come on that.

00:39:06.270 --> 00:39:11.130
<v Sam>Can't be right you start with that with no conditions and then you deal with

00:39:11.130 --> 00:39:14.870
<v Sam>like oh let's help their drug issues let's help their mental health there wait

00:39:14.870 --> 00:39:18.950
<v Sam>wait but in the meantime you give them some place to live wait really and not

00:39:18.950 --> 00:39:24.170
<v Sam>just like some packed shelter with like a million people but you give them private place they have.

00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:28.970
<v Ivan>You give them a you give the homeless a place to live what kind of fucking psychopathic

00:39:28.970 --> 00:39:30.970
<v Ivan>communist are you you bastard.

00:39:30.970 --> 00:39:32.590
<v Sam>But the thing is we're gonna.

00:39:32.590 --> 00:39:36.970
<v Ivan>Have you to have to send you to one of these new like magary education camps.

00:39:36.970 --> 00:39:42.050
<v Sam>Well but the thing is with all of this it's also you can't just give them a

00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:46.870
<v Sam>place to stay either you have to also back it up with the other supports that

00:39:46.870 --> 00:39:50.870
<v Sam>they need to in order to make that successful and and and then And yes,

00:39:50.990 --> 00:39:54.970
<v Sam>there are underlying problems with the cost of housing and all kinds of other health care. Yeah.

00:39:55.550 --> 00:39:59.230
<v Ivan>Health care. The fuck are you talking about? That's also, you know,

00:39:59.330 --> 00:40:02.390
<v Ivan>that's only for the rich, Sam. What the hell are you talking about, man?

00:40:02.850 --> 00:40:08.030
<v Ivan>Listen, the Republic. Listen, the GOP policy right now is that if you show up

00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:12.170
<v Ivan>to an ER and you're dying and if you can't prove that you're a citizen,

00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:14.790
<v Ivan>we take you out. We fuck them. We let you die.

00:40:14.890 --> 00:40:17.570
<v Ivan>Well, actually, as a matter of fact, we don't want other people to see you.

00:40:17.570 --> 00:40:19.890
<v Ivan>Will roll you out to the dumpster and we'll just put you right.

00:40:19.890 --> 00:40:20.970
<v Sam>Put you right in.

00:40:20.970 --> 00:40:24.910
<v Ivan>There for you to die and that's it you know that way you know the other people

00:40:24.910 --> 00:40:26.090
<v Ivan>don't get to see your carcass.

00:40:26.650 --> 00:40:29.850
<v Sam>Yes because we can't leave that out yeah no.

00:40:29.850 --> 00:40:32.650
<v Ivan>No no no no no no can't bother the other people.

00:40:32.650 --> 00:40:39.350
<v Sam>You know but yeah i don't know i and one and and the thing is like i promise

00:40:39.350 --> 00:40:44.470
<v Sam>i'll move on shortly but people even the people who are like i don't want to

00:40:44.470 --> 00:40:48.610
<v Sam>spend all this money dealing with like cleaning up the homeless camps and all this stuff,

00:40:48.710 --> 00:40:53.250
<v Sam>if you do the math or they say, I don't want to give them a house, that's expensive.

00:40:53.450 --> 00:40:56.150
<v Sam>It's less expensive than what we're doing now.

00:40:56.670 --> 00:40:56.930
<v Ivan>Right?

00:40:57.450 --> 00:41:04.250
<v Sam>Like the preventative stuff costs less than dealing with the problem after it exists.

00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Sam>You know, even if it seems like, oh, you're giving them a free house.

00:41:08.600 --> 00:41:11.640
<v Sam>Why don't I get a free house? You know, whatever.

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.240
<v Sam>It's like, you know.

00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:19.200
<v Ivan>And universal basic stuff is so many people are so against it.

00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:23.240
<v Ivan>And it's like one of the one of the things is like most of the universal basic stuff.

00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:26.620
<v Ivan>You know, Puerto Rico, there is a lot of public housing and a lot of people

00:41:26.620 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Ivan>do live in public housing.

00:41:28.340 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Ivan>OK, now Puerto Rico has a lot of people that are in the lower end of the income

00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.780
<v Ivan>spectrum. That's just that's just a reality.

00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:39.660
<v Ivan>But, you know, well, why do they get a free house? Look, the free houses are

00:41:39.660 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Ivan>not bad. OK, they're decent.

00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Ivan>OK, but the reality is that if you can actually afford a house,

00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:48.660
<v Ivan>you probably want to buy something else that isn't really the public house.

00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.500
<v Ivan>But at the same time, you know, you want to give those people at a basic house

00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:58.120
<v Ivan>something that is decent, clean, good, safe.

00:41:58.520 --> 00:42:02.900
<v Ivan>OK, you know, it's not, you know, it's not a tent full of holes.

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:09.180
<v Ivan>You want to, you know, you want to give something that's basic but good.

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Ivan>And these people complaining about, well, why don't I get a free house?

00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:21.660
<v Ivan>Well, honestly, if you're making more money, you probably don't want the basic house. Okay?

00:42:22.060 --> 00:42:30.080
<v Ivan>And I'm like, why the hell is it so bad in a nation and so much of the world that is so rich?

00:42:30.180 --> 00:42:32.720
<v Ivan>It's such a fucking problem.

00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:40.260
<v Ivan>To give those in the lower part of the income spectrum the basics to live instead

00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:45.980
<v Ivan>of then going and complaining, oh my God, look at those homeless people over there driving me crazy.

00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:49.640
<v Ivan>And I'm like, well, you know, listen, you want to complain about them,

00:42:49.740 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Ivan>but then at the same time, you don't want them to get the basic shit.

00:42:52.720 --> 00:42:54.460
<v Ivan>Decide what the fuck you want, asshole.

00:42:55.490 --> 00:43:02.810
<v Sam>Yeah, anyway, I mean, let's be clear. It's a hard problem. It's not like there's a magical solution.

00:43:02.810 --> 00:43:08.570
<v Ivan>It is a very hard problem, but just making it criminal and illegal isn't the fucking solution.

00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:15.030
<v Sam>Right. Okay. Normally, I try to do two movies, but I talked about the other thing.

00:43:15.170 --> 00:43:18.750
<v Sam>So I'm back to never catching up unless I do two movies a week,

00:43:18.850 --> 00:43:21.830
<v Sam>but we will save Spider-Verse.

00:43:21.830 --> 00:43:23.770
<v Ivan>Next week, we will get back to

00:43:23.770 --> 00:43:28.570
<v Ivan>two. as a matter of fact, I'll even let you next week, we'll go to three.

00:43:28.990 --> 00:43:35.830
<v Sam>Ooh, three. Oh, amazing. You know, when one of these days, when you're out,

00:43:36.010 --> 00:43:37.670
<v Sam>maybe I'll just do an all-movies episode.

00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:42.370
<v Ivan>Ah, do the all-movie review. Listen, here's the thing.

00:43:42.530 --> 00:43:45.930
<v Sam>But the problem is, I like bouncing them off you, because you have an opinion

00:43:45.930 --> 00:43:48.350
<v Sam>on them, too. Me just saying thumbs up, thumbs down, so I'm sideways.

00:43:48.610 --> 00:43:50.870
<v Sam>I mean, I could go through the whole damn list in ten minutes.

00:43:51.130 --> 00:43:56.750
<v Ivan>Well, you can bring back the... Well, I may be too sick to do one soon. Okay.

00:43:57.230 --> 00:44:04.210
<v Ivan>Not sick, but God bless you. You can bring back Chad GPT to see what he thinks about the movies.

00:44:04.370 --> 00:44:10.230
<v Ivan>You know, the most agreeable idiot in history, you know, let him come in and

00:44:10.230 --> 00:44:14.210
<v Ivan>like, and just nicely agree to everything.

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:17.930
<v Sam>Yeah. No, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to working on that.

00:44:17.930 --> 00:44:23.230
<v Sam>No, if I do three next week, the three will be Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse

00:44:23.230 --> 00:44:30.730
<v Sam>from 2023, The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957, and Hairspray from 1988.

00:44:32.970 --> 00:44:38.910
<v Sam>So, that would be the... But, let's take a break, and then we'll actually talk

00:44:38.910 --> 00:44:39.950
<v Sam>about the news of the week.

00:44:40.410 --> 00:44:42.870
<v Sam>So, back after this.

00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Sam>Okay, we're back already. That was the short one.

00:45:03.100 --> 00:45:03.860
<v Ivan>Oh, awesome.

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Sam>I think Alex made that recording of me in the car once. I don't know.

00:45:10.560 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Sam>It's many years old at this point.

00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:17.420
<v Sam>He had this little app that you can record like that and then add various vocal

00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:21.100
<v Sam>elements and all kinds of things and distort it in various ways.

00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:23.640
<v Sam>This is the undistorted version.

00:45:24.080 --> 00:45:27.580
<v Sam>There are some, you know, maybe we'll get one of the distorted versions one

00:45:27.580 --> 00:45:32.100
<v Sam>time where it's like a robot voice or something. Yeah. That'd be cool. Right. Yvonne.

00:45:32.720 --> 00:45:33.420
<v Ivan>That'd be awesome.

00:45:33.740 --> 00:45:37.500
<v Sam>Yes. Okay. So where shall we start Yvonne?

00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:42.020
<v Sam>We've had like, you know, stuff, I guess.

00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:43.480
<v Ivan>The shutdown.

00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Sam>Oh, the shutdown. Right. Yes. Yes. We did have that.

00:45:48.560 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Sam>So what we are shut down. I mentioned, I was worried that that would impact

00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.300
<v Sam>my travels, but it did not.

00:45:56.740 --> 00:46:03.980
<v Sam>What do you got? Like, you know, we've, There seems to be much less concern

00:46:03.980 --> 00:46:09.040
<v Sam>about this shutdown than the last few times we had shutdown drama.

00:46:09.640 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Ivan>Well, let's be clear about this. At this point right now, shutting down the

00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.940
<v Ivan>government to me seems like a good idea. Can I be honest?

00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Ivan>With the federal government that we have, it seems that for the most part,

00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Ivan>against its citizens and the world, why the fuck do I want it open right now?

00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.640
<v Ivan>I mean, how is that helping us in any way, shape, or form?

00:46:37.080 --> 00:46:42.080
<v Sam>Well, at least theoretically, there are a lot of services that help people potentially

00:46:42.080 --> 00:46:45.380
<v Sam>that will go away or be delayed or whatever.

00:46:45.580 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Ivan>Listen, we're getting paid Social Security, okay? It's not going away.

00:46:49.160 --> 00:46:53.160
<v Ivan>It's not like Medicare and Medicaid benefits right now are being stopped,

00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.600
<v Ivan>okay? Now, if you need a new enrollment or you need to change your Social Security

00:46:57.600 --> 00:46:59.580
<v Ivan>or something, yes, that is a problem.

00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:06.020
<v Ivan>But like I said, this government spends every fucking day thinking of ways to fuck us.

00:47:08.220 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Ivan>Every goddamn waking moment, everything that comes out from them is,

00:47:13.160 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Ivan>hey, we figured out a new way to screw you.

00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:21.380
<v Ivan>I mean, literally, Trump posted some AI video showing him as the,

00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:27.860
<v Ivan>whatchamacallit, the Grim Reaper, with all his accomplices going after America.

00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:33.780
<v Ivan>What the, I mean, who wants this government open? Me, right now,

00:47:34.020 --> 00:47:35.820
<v Ivan>I am like, fuck this shit.

00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:40.660
<v Ivan>Keep it closed as long as possible so they can stop fucking with us.

00:47:40.660 --> 00:47:45.940
<v Sam>Well, I'll say the thing is, though, and this is one of the reasons Schumer

00:47:45.940 --> 00:47:49.020
<v Sam>didn't allow this to happen back at the beginning of the year,

00:47:49.640 --> 00:47:58.300
<v Sam>was this offers the opportunity for the Trump administration to effectively

00:47:58.300 --> 00:48:03.140
<v Sam>change the facts on the ground to permanently shut down even more stuff.

00:48:03.340 --> 00:48:06.540
<v Ivan>Listen, here's the thing about this right now. Exactly.

00:48:07.240 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Ivan>Like, what are you talking about? Like, like, like, like what?

00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:13.380
<v Ivan>Like it was stopping them all? It was open?

00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Ivan>They don't care. And so...

00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:23.120
<v Ivan>Look, one thing about this is public opinion is totally running against the

00:48:23.120 --> 00:48:24.540
<v Ivan>Republicans about this.

00:48:24.660 --> 00:48:29.260
<v Ivan>They are not winning, even though they've tried to message more on this.

00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:35.820
<v Sam>To be clear, when you look at the polls on this, the biggest category is we blame everybody.

00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:41.340
<v Ivan>No, no, no. The biggest category is not sure, which is not blame everybody.

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Ivan>That's two very different things. Because you've got a big block of the country

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:46.460
<v Ivan>that we've discussed this before.

00:48:46.460 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Ivan>I have no idea that it's even happening. so you can't count those people in

00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.560
<v Ivan>the only people you could really look at are the ones that that that that are

00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:58.900
<v Ivan>looking at it and say hey who are you blaming and if you take that group,

00:49:01.100 --> 00:49:08.100
<v Ivan>almost north of 65 percent blame the republicans so i cannot go and like think

00:49:08.100 --> 00:49:13.980
<v Ivan>about the fucking people that basically and blissfully have their head in the

00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.680
<v Ivan>sand and have no idea what the hell is going on by the way and which Which is,

00:49:16.740 --> 00:49:19.820
<v Ivan>by the way, quite a large number of people.

00:49:21.160 --> 00:49:30.420
<v Sam>So I'm looking for those numbers because I looked at, I remember seeing who

00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Sam>the numbers, I don't know.

00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:38.980
<v Sam>I thought the numbers for people who had an opinion were actually bigger than

00:49:38.980 --> 00:49:42.860
<v Sam>I expected. And I remember that. In the Washington Post one.

00:49:42.940 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Ivan>It was like 52, 30-something, and like 20-some-odd percent had no clue.

00:49:50.520 --> 00:49:57.680
<v Sam>No, I'm pulling it up right now. Da-da-da-da-da. So they actually...

00:49:59.160 --> 00:50:04.460
<v Sam>Interesting. They didn't give an option for both in this poll.

00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:06.180
<v Sam>I'm looking at the Washington Post poll.

00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:09.980
<v Sam>The biggest number was 47% Trump.

00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:16.560
<v Sam>The second biggest was 30% Democrats. And then it was 23% not sure.

00:50:17.080 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Sam>So not sure was actually the smallest.

00:50:19.180 --> 00:50:22.480
<v Ivan>But you see, the thing is that when you look at between when you take out the

00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.500
<v Ivan>not sure, when you look at that, when you look at that group,

00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:28.240
<v Ivan>because that's the group that's actually paying attention. Okay?

00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:31.140
<v Sam>Well, yeah, but even, but not sure was actually relatively small.

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Sam>So even without that, it's 50-30, you know, so.

00:50:35.020 --> 00:50:38.540
<v Ivan>No, but what I say, it's bad enough either way, but it's worth,

00:50:38.680 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Ivan>but I'm saying, the group that's looking at it, the vast majority of it,

00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:45.180
<v Ivan>blames the Republicans.

00:50:46.060 --> 00:50:51.580
<v Sam>Yes, that's clear regardless. It's almost 50%, even with the not-sures in the mix.

00:50:53.560 --> 00:50:58.260
<v Sam>And let's see what, Let's see one more. Let's see. It's the same one. Same one.

00:50:58.700 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Sam>Washington Post is the only real one. Here we go. Let's see. Did we have?

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Sam>Yeah. Not sure is the middle category. They didn't offer a both,

00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:08.620
<v Sam>which is interesting. If they

00:51:08.620 --> 00:51:13.200
<v Sam>had offered a both, I suspect a significant chunk would have gone to both.

00:51:14.220 --> 00:51:18.340
<v Sam>But, you know, OK, we got not. But but regardless,

00:51:18.520 --> 00:51:22.680
<v Sam>they are getting the blame for the moment, Which is interesting because if you

00:51:22.680 --> 00:51:26.700
<v Sam>listen to press reports on this,

00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:31.680
<v Sam>like I've listened to the TV news talking heads and a few other folks,

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:39.140
<v Sam>there was most of the narrative has been around how the Republicans seem to

00:51:39.140 --> 00:51:42.620
<v Sam>be doing better on messaging. The poll does not match that.

00:51:43.020 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Ivan>No, it doesn't. But but that's you know what? It's this whole thing how we live

00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Ivan>in all these people and, you know, that we follow the the pundits in the world

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:55.520
<v Ivan>that they live in. Right. OK.

00:51:56.600 --> 00:51:58.620
<v Ivan>Whereas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've

00:51:58.620 --> 00:52:01.460
<v Ivan>got the messaging. They've got the messaging. And even like, you know.

00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:07.240
<v Ivan>Which is why even some of the people that are inside, some people,

00:52:07.740 --> 00:52:12.040
<v Ivan>the Democratic strategist complaining, why are they not only fighting about

00:52:12.040 --> 00:52:13.700
<v Ivan>this and not everything else?

00:52:13.700 --> 00:52:21.200
<v Ivan>And I'm like, Jesus Christ, look, in a world where messaging is so difficult,

00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:27.780
<v Ivan>either you stick doing this very simple and binary, OK,

00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Ivan>or it risks being this walk debate that 90 plus percent of the people don't

00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.300
<v Ivan>fucking pay attention to. Well, because the details just get lost.

00:52:39.260 --> 00:52:43.060
<v Sam>And especially here, we're talking a budgetary debate.

00:52:43.060 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Sam>We're talking about things where some of the issues that people are talking

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.860
<v Sam>about most are, you know, changing,

00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:57.080
<v Sam>undoing some changes to the rules about tax credits that happened in the the

00:52:57.080 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Sam>big, beautiful bill a few months ago.

00:52:59.300 --> 00:52:59.680
<v Ivan>Right.

00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:05.680
<v Sam>You know, and or or rescissions like ask a random person on the street,

00:53:05.860 --> 00:53:07.200
<v Sam>what the hell is a rescission?

00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:15.160
<v Sam>Yeah, come on. You know, this is not going to be, and I think this is absolutely

00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:19.200
<v Sam>one of those cases where, I mean, I looked at the breakdown.

00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:20.560
<v Sam>I have the breakdown up now.

00:53:20.900 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Sam>You know, we mentioned the overall numbers. Overall was 47% blame Republicans,

00:53:26.180 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Sam>30% blame Democrats, 23% unsure.

00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:38.460
<v Sam>But if you break it up, you know, among Republicans, 67% Democrat blame the Democrats.

00:53:38.720 --> 00:53:41.840
<v Sam>Among Democrats, 87% blame the Republicans.

00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.460
<v Ivan>You see that even the Republicans are not, I mean, are down a little bit.

00:53:46.680 --> 00:53:50.020
<v Sam>And their number that grows is the not sure, really.

00:53:50.460 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Sam>8% of Republicans blame Republicans. So that's, you know, not bad.

00:53:56.420 --> 00:54:04.720
<v Sam>But the independent group, though, it's 50 to 22 blaming the Republicans.

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:08.460
<v Sam>It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming among the independents.

00:54:09.100 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Ivan>Listen, how can Trump go around and literally proclaim himself? self.

00:54:15.460 --> 00:54:18.980
<v Ivan>Dictator. Because in that one video that he showed, he basically was saying

00:54:18.980 --> 00:54:23.020
<v Ivan>how Congress is irrelevant. I rule everything.

00:54:23.620 --> 00:54:27.240
<v Ivan>He said that, right? And so you want to turn around and blame the Democrats

00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:31.080
<v Ivan>for it being shutting down when you are just claiming that you run everything. Dude,

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:33.680
<v Ivan>Okay, decide. Okay.

00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Sam>Which one are you? They do this all the time, though.

00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:47.860
<v Sam>Like, you know, oh, Biden, you know, has lost his mind and is completely ineffective.

00:54:47.980 --> 00:54:51.080
<v Sam>Oh, but oh, he's so dangerous. You can't let him be in charge.

00:54:51.080 --> 00:55:01.260
<v Sam>You know, you know, this this sort of dual messaging where on the one hand something

00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Sam>is irrelevant, but on the other hand, it's incredibly dangerous is commonplace.

00:55:06.080 --> 00:55:11.100
<v Ivan>Yeah, I get that. But but but it's very difficult when you've been hammering

00:55:11.100 --> 00:55:12.660
<v Ivan>to people how you are the.

00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:17.540
<v Ivan>Have control of everything and have everything in the palm of your hand and

00:55:17.540 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Ivan>then try to claim yourself helpless to the Democrats.

00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Ivan>Is very difficult. You know, once you've been pounding that message for,

00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.700
<v Ivan>I don't know how long, very difficult to do. Okay?

00:55:30.100 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Sam>Oh, and so let's move to where we think this is going.

00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:39.520
<v Ivan>So I think we're looking at the longest shutdown we've ever had.

00:55:39.740 --> 00:55:41.520
<v Ivan>I really do at this point.

00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:46.000
<v Sam>The record right now was in Trump's first administration. It was 35 days.

00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Ivan>Oh, this is going to go longer.

00:55:48.540 --> 00:55:54.220
<v Sam>Yeah. Well, right now, there's no motion on it on any side to do anything like

00:55:54.220 --> 00:55:56.660
<v Sam>everybody's sort of digging in their heels.

00:55:57.120 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Sam>And a lot of people and look, there are folks in the Republican coalition who

00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:08.560
<v Sam>agree with what you said at the beginning with, well, we like it shut down. Let's just leave it.

00:56:09.060 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Sam>You know, this proves what do we really need and what do we not need?

00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Sam>And the president actually has a lot of authority to declare that certain things

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Sam>are needed and have to continue.

00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Sam>You know, the counter argument is, you know, do we really want to let Donald

00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.260
<v Sam>Trump be the one deciding that? But as you said, he's been deciding that anyway.

00:56:29.240 --> 00:56:34.340
<v Sam>So, you know, last time, the 35 day, and I was reminded of this.

00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:40.020
<v Sam>I haven't double checked it, but the 35 day shutdown, if you remember, was,

00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:44.040
<v Sam>It ended when the Democrats retook the House.

00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:50.320
<v Sam>Like it was right at the end of the term. So the stalemate did not resolve itself

00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:55.220
<v Sam>by the two sides coming to a better deal or whatever.

00:56:55.700 --> 00:57:01.220
<v Sam>There was actually a change in power that enabled them to do something that

00:57:01.220 --> 00:57:02.280
<v Sam>they would not do earlier.

00:57:02.580 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Sam>Now, at this point, we're a year and a quarter. And election's a year away.

00:57:07.820 --> 00:57:12.080
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah, we're more than a year away from the election and add a couple months

00:57:12.080 --> 00:57:13.060
<v Sam>before they actually take power.

00:57:13.060 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Ivan>Listen, but this is one thing where critical services are continuing,

00:57:15.040 --> 00:57:16.600
<v Ivan>but problems will pile up.

00:57:17.180 --> 00:57:20.380
<v Ivan>Look, I realize that a lot of things are going to pile up.

00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:23.840
<v Ivan>Like, as I mentioned, for example, hey, if you just turn 65,

00:57:24.020 --> 00:57:25.300
<v Ivan>you won't apply for Social Security.

00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.580
<v Ivan>That gets problematic right now. You can't go to an office. You can't make changes.

00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:32.140
<v Ivan>You can't get somebody died. You can't, like, register that.

00:57:32.380 --> 00:57:35.480
<v Ivan>They're talking about flood insurance, for example, how right now you can't

00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:40.500
<v Ivan>obtain it. You can't get it's complicates so many different things and processes.

00:57:40.520 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Ivan>I think you can't even apply for passports right now.

00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.780
<v Ivan>For example, you can't even get passports.

00:57:47.080 --> 00:57:54.620
<v Ivan>It's there are so many things that start getting complicated that that it's

00:57:54.620 --> 00:58:00.540
<v Ivan>it's you know, they start piling up at some point.

00:58:00.820 --> 00:58:05.520
<v Ivan>I'm assuming something's going to happen because here's here's the thing.

00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:12.080
<v Ivan>I don't think, well, I didn't, listen, I don't think that a large group of Republicans

00:58:12.080 --> 00:58:17.700
<v Ivan>really wanted to take away health care from a large port of constituents either.

00:58:17.980 --> 00:58:20.720
<v Ivan>They're just right now being jerk offs to be jerk.

00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.460
<v Sam>Or triple the prices and things like that that are happening.

00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:28.180
<v Ivan>Exactly. They didn't really want this. Okay. Yeah. They didn't want this.

00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Ivan>Okay. So I think that right now,

00:58:33.630 --> 00:58:37.610
<v Ivan>they're being stubborn just to show spine, but at some point,

00:58:38.370 --> 00:58:43.370
<v Ivan>they're going to want to do something too, because they don't want to fuck their

00:58:43.370 --> 00:58:45.130
<v Ivan>constituents that badly, as

00:58:45.130 --> 00:58:49.650
<v Ivan>much as they try to sometimes. But they don't want to do it so evidently.

00:58:50.830 --> 00:58:54.410
<v Sam>And they still don't want to cross Donald Trump.

00:58:55.470 --> 00:58:59.810
<v Sam>Nobody wants to be the first one to cross Donald Trump, right?

00:59:00.070 --> 00:59:00.170
<v Ivan>Right.

00:59:00.170 --> 00:59:06.330
<v Sam>And now, even as is, like we had a couple Democrats in the Senate cross over

00:59:06.330 --> 00:59:09.170
<v Sam>Fetterman and I forget who the other one was.

00:59:09.170 --> 00:59:12.290
<v Ivan>I don't know what the hell. But listen, I don't want to count like anything

00:59:12.290 --> 00:59:15.210
<v Ivan>about what the hell's going on in Fetterman's brain at this moment,

00:59:15.370 --> 00:59:20.210
<v Ivan>given all everything we've heard around his staff, how he seems to be basically losing his marbles.

00:59:20.450 --> 00:59:22.330
<v Ivan>OK, so I don't know.

00:59:22.750 --> 00:59:26.750
<v Ivan>I discount that other people I'll consider.

00:59:26.910 --> 00:59:30.610
<v Ivan>But I don't I don't consider like saying, oh, well, Fetterman decided to do

00:59:30.610 --> 00:59:32.850
<v Ivan>this as something indicative of anything at this point.

00:59:32.850 --> 00:59:36.050
<v Sam>Right. So I'm just checking.

00:59:36.290 --> 00:59:42.810
<v Sam>The Democrats that voted for it were John Fetterman, Catherine Cortez Masto

00:59:42.810 --> 00:59:47.230
<v Sam>from Nevada, and Angus King, who's technically an independent,

00:59:47.410 --> 00:59:49.410
<v Sam>but who caucuses with the Democrats. Those were the three.

00:59:49.490 --> 00:59:50.870
<v Ivan>Right. That's it. Yeah.

00:59:51.590 --> 00:59:57.290
<v Sam>And so you need a few more to reach the threshold.

00:59:57.390 --> 01:00:03.530
<v Sam>You need quite a few more. I don't like three, four, four, five.

01:00:03.830 --> 01:00:07.210
<v Sam>Yeah, somewhere around that ballpark. You need 60 votes.

01:00:08.190 --> 01:00:12.750
<v Sam>And so you already have three Republicans plus those three, that's six.

01:00:12.890 --> 01:00:14.610
<v Sam>You need four more. You need four more.

01:00:17.270 --> 01:00:20.670
<v Sam>But I don't know. I don't know who's going to get weak in the knees first.

01:00:20.670 --> 01:00:27.410
<v Sam>I think it depends a lot on the specifics of what pain does end up accumulating

01:00:27.410 --> 01:00:32.410
<v Sam>in the way you've mentioned, and who is most sensitive to that pain,

01:00:32.530 --> 01:00:35.070
<v Sam>what states is it affecting, all that kind of stuff.

01:00:35.070 --> 01:00:41.110
<v Sam>You also honestly have to not discount the possibility at this point of Donald

01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:45.570
<v Sam>Trump just reopening whatever he feels like, regardless of the rules.

01:00:45.830 --> 01:00:48.770
<v Sam>Say, oh, this particular thing is causing pain. OK,

01:00:49.110 --> 01:00:55.070
<v Sam>executive order reopening that and and essentially leaving it officially shut

01:00:55.070 --> 01:01:02.290
<v Sam>down indefinitely, but turning things on one by one as they feel as they feel

01:01:02.290 --> 01:01:03.910
<v Sam>like they cause pain to the Republicans.

01:01:05.070 --> 01:01:13.690
<v Ivan>But, you know, I mean, that is obviously a possibility and given where SCOTUS

01:01:13.690 --> 01:01:17.610
<v Ivan>is right now that basically decided that we are a monarchy at this point.

01:01:17.770 --> 01:01:21.710
<v Ivan>I'm like, I'm not, you know, I don't I'm not holding my breath about them,

01:01:21.830 --> 01:01:24.350
<v Ivan>you know, doing anything to push back on this administration.

01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:26.890
<v Sam>Right. And so.

01:01:28.470 --> 01:01:34.770
<v Sam>Yeah, so if I had to bet, I think you're right. This probably will go past 35 days.

01:01:35.530 --> 01:01:43.210
<v Sam>And I don't know. Like, I would not be surprised by any of the three options we talked about.

01:01:43.810 --> 01:01:47.790
<v Sam>You know, Democrats capitulating, Republicans capitulating, Donald Trump just

01:01:47.790 --> 01:01:51.690
<v Sam>pushing through and not giving a damn about it at all. You know,

01:01:52.070 --> 01:01:53.150
<v Sam>any one of those three options.

01:01:53.150 --> 01:01:55.650
<v Ivan>Or just Donald Trump changing his mind, which has happened before.

01:01:56.350 --> 01:01:58.870
<v Ivan>And by the way, he changed his mind and all of a sudden made it sold everybody.

01:01:59.050 --> 01:02:01.690
<v Ivan>Like, he made a great deal and, like, convinced everybody that it was like he

01:02:01.690 --> 01:02:03.530
<v Ivan>was right. This is what he wanted all along.

01:02:04.050 --> 01:02:04.690
<v Sam>Oh, yes.

01:02:06.890 --> 01:02:08.950
<v Sam>And, yes, now that you mention it,

01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:13.530
<v Sam>I mean, I would have fit that into the Republicans capitulate category.

01:02:14.010 --> 01:02:15.410
<v Sam>But you're absolutely right.

01:02:15.690 --> 01:02:20.370
<v Ivan>This is not capitulating. This is him saying, I made a great deal and it's what I wanted all along.

01:02:20.810 --> 01:02:24.770
<v Ivan>And, you know, finally, I got the Democrats to do what I wanted.

01:02:24.770 --> 01:02:28.930
<v Ivan>And so, therefore, we have this great deal, even though what he's doing is just

01:02:28.930 --> 01:02:31.870
<v Ivan>what the Democrats wanted. And he will sell it like it was his.

01:02:31.950 --> 01:02:39.890
<v Sam>Yes. Yes. This is his genius. I mean, in so many ways, he's a moron. But this is his genius.

01:02:40.650 --> 01:02:46.550
<v Ivan>That is his superpower. Yes. That is totally his absolute superpower and genius.

01:02:46.730 --> 01:02:49.550
<v Ivan>That he will completely change his mind on something.

01:02:50.430 --> 01:02:54.950
<v Ivan>And then tell everybody it was his idea and then convince everybody it's such

01:02:54.950 --> 01:02:56.650
<v Ivan>a great deal that he negotiated. Yes.

01:02:57.490 --> 01:03:02.690
<v Sam>Yes, even though he's actually just giving the other side exactly what they wanted.

01:03:02.870 --> 01:03:06.030
<v Ivan>Yes, taking the complete other side of what he wanted like 30 days before.

01:03:06.130 --> 01:03:10.190
<v Sam>Well, this ties into the stuff we've talked about happening again and again

01:03:10.190 --> 01:03:15.130
<v Sam>on tariffs with other countries promising to do what they already did and getting

01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:20.870
<v Sam>credit for it as the massive new deal that was Donald Trump forced through because of the tariffs.

01:03:21.710 --> 01:03:22.030
<v Ivan>That's right.

01:03:23.030 --> 01:03:23.670
<v Sam>Okay.

01:03:24.750 --> 01:03:26.470
<v Ivan>You forgot that scenario, huh?

01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:31.930
<v Sam>I mean, well, I, like I said, I was counting it as Republicans capitulate,

01:03:32.030 --> 01:03:36.650
<v Sam>but it's not, but it's fun in a way that's not, you know, well,

01:03:36.730 --> 01:03:39.010
<v Sam>it is, but it's not, it is.

01:03:39.090 --> 01:03:43.270
<v Ivan>But it isn't because if you listen, because if you make everybody else believe,

01:03:43.550 --> 01:03:47.310
<v Ivan>and if your people believe that it's your, you made a deal and it's not seen

01:03:47.310 --> 01:03:52.190
<v Ivan>what scenario is the other guys capitulate and everybody sees you're a loser.

01:03:52.190 --> 01:03:58.430
<v Ivan>The other one is you you make it seem like you won, even though you lost and

01:03:58.430 --> 01:04:00.990
<v Ivan>all your constituents believe you won.

01:04:01.370 --> 01:04:05.050
<v Sam>Well, yeah, this is I mean, I'm having flashbacks to the Mueller report.

01:04:05.190 --> 01:04:06.550
<v Sam>No obstruction, no collusion.

01:04:07.150 --> 01:04:07.670
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:04:08.870 --> 01:04:15.890
<v Sam>That's that's what Barr said, like Ed, for like the two weeks before he released the actual report.

01:04:16.050 --> 01:04:19.410
<v Sam>So that's what stuck in everybody's head. No obstruction, no collusion.

01:04:19.410 --> 01:04:24.330
<v Sam>Even though the actual report showed lots of obstruction and lots of collusion.

01:04:24.670 --> 01:04:25.610
<v Ivan>That's exactly right.

01:04:25.650 --> 01:04:27.410
<v Sam>It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

01:04:27.590 --> 01:04:34.010
<v Ivan>It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I came in last place. I won. I won.

01:04:34.510 --> 01:04:39.430
<v Ivan>You walk up to the podium. By the way, Donald Trump has done this kind of like

01:04:39.430 --> 01:04:41.850
<v Ivan>literally in even before he was president.

01:04:42.090 --> 01:04:47.950
<v Ivan>OK, I mean, we're he he would he actually David Tepper, I think,

01:04:48.030 --> 01:04:51.390
<v Ivan>is the one that said this, that he showed up to fundraising events,

01:04:51.710 --> 01:04:56.790
<v Ivan>okay, to charitable events where he had not donated a single dime.

01:04:57.390 --> 01:05:02.510
<v Ivan>And he showed up up there like he was some major contributor to help get this

01:05:02.510 --> 01:05:05.610
<v Ivan>thing over the top, blah, blah, blah, showed up there, whatever,

01:05:05.790 --> 01:05:07.090
<v Ivan>and he had not given a dime.

01:05:07.650 --> 01:05:11.870
<v Sam>Right. Okay. Let's take a break.

01:05:12.190 --> 01:05:16.650
<v Sam>And when we come back, I'll pick the topic for the rest of the time.

01:05:16.650 --> 01:05:23.250
<v Sam>And I will start with the speech from the generals and then move on to sort

01:05:23.250 --> 01:05:27.630
<v Sam>of going along with what we've just been talking about,

01:05:27.810 --> 01:05:35.910
<v Sam>sort of Donald Trump's mental state and stuff. Anyway.

01:05:37.810 --> 01:05:41.010
<v Sam>Yes, yes. Okay, here we go. We'll be back after this.

01:06:17.640 --> 01:06:21.120
<v Sam>He just posted a new video, like, a few weeks ago, by the way.

01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:25.400
<v Sam>Like, he's down, he's only posting, like, a few a year now, and there's still

01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:29.460
<v Sam>ones that he originally recorded when he was seven years old. He's now 16, by the way.

01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Sam>But, yeah, there's a new video out. There's a new video out. So, check it out.

01:06:34.860 --> 01:06:38.720
<v Ivan>Hey, Sam, before we go into the speech, Charles, just a brief mention.

01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:39.140
<v Sam>Yes.

01:06:39.600 --> 01:06:40.920
<v Ivan>What about that coin, huh?

01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:46.860
<v Sam>Oh, yes. Well, you know, when he first mentioned the coin with Donald Trump's

01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:51.640
<v Sam>name on it, I got excited for a second because maybe it was minting the coin.

01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:52.680
<v Ivan>Oh, the super coin.

01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:58.400
<v Sam>You know, the super coin. And, you know, I would almost accept a Donald Trump

01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:01.160
<v Sam>coin if they actually did the super coin idea.

01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Sam>Because, like, it's just so disruptive and cool an idea.

01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.980
<v Sam>But, you know, no, it's a $1 commemorative coin, apparently.

01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:16.280
<v Ivan>Um so i i i did read and apparently the law is that you can't have a coin as

01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Ivan>a somebody leader unless they are living person okay so so here's the deal i'm

01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.640
<v Ivan>willing that has been the.

01:07:21.640 --> 01:07:23.340
<v Sam>Law for like 140 years or.

01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:28.620
<v Ivan>Something so here's the deal i propose i'm good with a coin if you're promising

01:07:28.620 --> 01:07:35.100
<v Ivan>me that he's going to die like tonight or something we can go ahead with listen if you're

01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:38.540
<v Ivan>If you promise me that he's going to be dead by Monday,

01:07:39.180 --> 01:07:44.120
<v Ivan>I, man, go ahead, make the coin. No problem. Make the coin.

01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:45.780
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:07:48.120 --> 01:07:50.320
<v Ivan>That's a trade I'm willing to make right now. Yes.

01:07:51.600 --> 01:07:55.520
<v Sam>Yeah. So, but, but, but like, honestly, just by natural causes.

01:07:55.720 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Ivan>By the way. Okay. That's what I'm saying.

01:07:57.420 --> 01:07:58.460
<v Sam>Yes. Yes. Yeah.

01:07:58.580 --> 01:08:02.240
<v Ivan>You know, he has a heart attack or something. I mean, that cholesterol can't

01:08:02.240 --> 01:08:03.700
<v Ivan>be helped. You know, those kinds of things.

01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:07.380
<v Sam>You are not calling for anything that would necessitate a secret service visit.

01:08:07.780 --> 01:08:10.740
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I'm just, you know, just, just, just, just,

01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.220
<v Ivan>you know, if that, I mean, they're playing to admit the coin because they think

01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:16.420
<v Ivan>he's i'm thinking hey they're a bit to the coin because they think he's gonna

01:08:16.420 --> 01:08:20.740
<v Ivan>be dead soon he's seriously ill we don't know that's why they're planning for

01:08:20.740 --> 01:08:24.120
<v Ivan>the coin sam that's the new speculation since apparently he's not posting i

01:08:24.120 --> 01:08:27.380
<v Ivan>i heard again that he's been like a little bit like he's been missing for.

01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:32.840
<v Sam>A couple days again yeah uh well and we'll get to that in a second but yeah no uh.

01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.200
<v Ivan>He's getting one of those like just remember you remember the artificial heart

01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:41.540
<v Ivan>guy the the the many you know it was the name but he's getting an artificial heart.

01:08:41.740 --> 01:08:42.360
<v Sam>Dick Cheney.

01:08:42.660 --> 01:08:45.180
<v Ivan>Well, Dick Cheney got one, right. Yeah.

01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.300
<v Sam>Well, he didn't get an artificial heart, but he had like a...

01:08:48.300 --> 01:08:53.660
<v Ivan>He got a... This ventricular assist thing, whatever it's called.

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.180
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:54.620 --> 01:08:57.940
<v Ivan>It's basically an artificial heart, basically, because it's too close to work.

01:08:59.280 --> 01:09:04.580
<v Sam>Anyway, just to finish up the coin thing, it is absolutely true that there is

01:09:04.580 --> 01:09:08.560
<v Sam>a law that says you cannot have a living person on a coin, and they are apparently

01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:13.060
<v Sam>90% of the way through the planning process to release a coin with Donald Trump's face on it.

01:09:13.580 --> 01:09:19.200
<v Sam>Absent your scenario, this is a clear violation of the law, but so is,

01:09:19.220 --> 01:09:23.240
<v Sam>you know, 80% of the stuff the Trump administration has been doing.

01:09:23.820 --> 01:09:29.600
<v Sam>And, you know, no one, it's just, it's, it is what it is.

01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:36.340
<v Sam>Because, like, the mechanisms aren't in place to effectively actually stop a

01:09:36.340 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Sam>rogue president who just says, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to do what I want to do.

01:09:41.630 --> 01:09:47.570
<v Sam>Which is unfortunate, or at least I shouldn't say the mechanisms don't exist.

01:09:47.870 --> 01:09:53.270
<v Ivan>They exist, but nobody wants to use them. The Republicans control Congress,

01:09:53.270 --> 01:09:57.750
<v Ivan>and they basically have said, eh, he can be lawless. We're good.

01:09:58.270 --> 01:10:03.290
<v Sam>And you've got a Supreme Court that is very sympathetic to the idea that the

01:10:03.290 --> 01:10:04.850
<v Sam>president can do anything they want.

01:10:05.670 --> 01:10:12.830
<v Ivan>So you've got the three branches, the two branches that are supposed to do oversight,

01:10:12.830 --> 01:10:15.510
<v Ivan>basically abdicating their role.

01:10:15.830 --> 01:10:20.450
<v Sam>I mean, the lower courts have been repeatedly going against Donald Trump over

01:10:20.450 --> 01:10:22.150
<v Sam>and over and over again on many issues.

01:10:22.730 --> 01:10:26.910
<v Sam>But there's just no level of confidence that when it finally gets to SCOTUS,

01:10:27.090 --> 01:10:29.370
<v Sam>SCOTUS won't just say, OK, fine, you can do that.

01:10:29.410 --> 01:10:30.610
<v Ivan>He can do whatever you want.

01:10:31.290 --> 01:10:35.670
<v Sam>And Donald Trump has taken the position that until SCOTUS says no,

01:10:36.510 --> 01:10:42.030
<v Sam>he's pretty much going to keep going. You know, and, and, you know,

01:10:42.230 --> 01:10:44.650
<v Sam>even, and honestly, we still have that question.

01:10:44.770 --> 01:10:48.950
<v Sam>If SCOTUS absolutely says no to something that he cares about.

01:10:49.950 --> 01:10:55.170
<v Sam>What happens? I mean, we actually had that example from the Garcia in El Salvador.

01:10:55.490 --> 01:10:59.530
<v Sam>So the Supreme Court actually told him, get him home right away.

01:10:59.770 --> 01:11:01.670
<v Sam>And it took him like two months.

01:11:02.290 --> 01:11:05.950
<v Ivan>Yeah, well, he delayed it, but he finally did it, is the thing that even though

01:11:05.950 --> 01:11:08.550
<v Ivan>he dragged his feet, they wound up doing it. So.

01:11:09.470 --> 01:11:12.990
<v Sam>Yes. Although, yeah, they did drag their feet.

01:11:13.090 --> 01:11:17.330
<v Ivan>But they wound up doing it at the end.

01:11:17.330 --> 01:11:23.270
<v Sam>So far, so far, when pushes come to shove in the end, Donald Trump and his administration

01:11:23.270 --> 01:11:26.430
<v Sam>have always backed down from the ultimate confrontations.

01:11:26.890 --> 01:11:30.210
<v Sam>And not only that, like we've talked about taco with the tariffs,

01:11:30.450 --> 01:11:35.310
<v Sam>whenever something seems to be getting unpopular, he has backed off as well,

01:11:35.430 --> 01:11:40.530
<v Sam>you know, because in the end he wants to be loved and he wants people to be

01:11:40.530 --> 01:11:43.370
<v Sam>like excited about it when, and, you know,

01:11:43.590 --> 01:11:46.410
<v Sam>it seems his people hide a lot of things from him.

01:11:46.410 --> 01:11:49.510
<v Sam>But when he gets a whiff.

01:11:49.730 --> 01:11:52.910
<v Ivan>Did the generals laugh and love him when he was given the speech?

01:11:53.670 --> 01:11:55.870
<v Sam>Yeah, let's move on. Let's move on to the generals.

01:11:56.950 --> 01:12:00.830
<v Ivan>So they love. OK, so my key question, did the generals, you know,

01:12:00.950 --> 01:12:03.430
<v Ivan>clap and love what he was when he was given the speech?

01:12:03.910 --> 01:12:12.010
<v Sam>Well, first of all, let's just level set this with the the protocol that generals

01:12:12.010 --> 01:12:15.690
<v Sam>and other military folks are supposed to follow anyway.

01:12:16.650 --> 01:12:21.450
<v Sam>Is that they are non-political, and so they shouldn't clap at something like this. No, no, I know.

01:12:21.590 --> 01:12:27.170
<v Ivan>I know, but I guess he was expecting that, right?

01:12:27.310 --> 01:12:30.810
<v Sam>He specifically said at the beginning, I know you're not supposed to,

01:12:30.910 --> 01:12:35.170
<v Sam>but feel free to clap if you want to, and stuff like that. And no, nobody clapped.

01:12:35.850 --> 01:12:41.510
<v Sam>Nobody clapped, nobody hooted and hollered. He was giving, and this is both Hegseth and Trump,

01:12:42.270 --> 01:12:47.790
<v Sam>were hoping for some positive reactions. They got the generals and admirals

01:12:47.790 --> 01:12:49.470
<v Sam>basically sitting on their hands.

01:12:50.290 --> 01:12:55.030
<v Ivan>Which is what they should be doing! Which I'm proud of them for doing so, by the way.

01:12:55.130 --> 01:12:57.870
<v Sam>Which is what they should be doing. And just to be clear,

01:13:01.470 --> 01:13:07.230
<v Sam>first of all, this type of audience, bring in all the generals that exist into

01:13:07.230 --> 01:13:08.730
<v Sam>one room, has not happened before.

01:13:08.730 --> 01:13:09.250
<v Ivan>Doesn't happen!

01:13:10.350 --> 01:13:14.110
<v Sam>But speaking more generally in front of military audiences,

01:13:14.510 --> 01:13:20.010
<v Sam>the military audiences can get animated and hoop and holler and stuff when presidents

01:13:20.010 --> 01:13:24.130
<v Sam>give speeches and the speeches are wholeheartedly like, hey,

01:13:24.330 --> 01:13:25.470
<v Sam>we're going to support the troops.

01:13:25.790 --> 01:13:29.230
<v Sam>We're doing a good effort. America is great. Blah, blah, blah.

01:13:29.230 --> 01:13:34.210
<v Sam>You know, it's things that are somewhat universal where they're just,

01:13:34.430 --> 01:13:38.710
<v Sam>you know, they're visiting troops in Afghanistan and they're talking about supporting

01:13:38.710 --> 01:13:42.230
<v Sam>the effort and how important the work they do is and stuff like that.

01:13:42.530 --> 01:13:47.670
<v Sam>Okay. In those cases, the military is fully allowed to like clap and express

01:13:47.670 --> 01:13:49.530
<v Sam>appreciation, all of that kind of stuff.

01:13:49.870 --> 01:13:57.550
<v Sam>But what Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth are doing here are, and they really were too different.

01:13:57.650 --> 01:14:00.510
<v Sam>I don't want to lump them in together. because they had different purposes and

01:14:00.510 --> 01:14:01.430
<v Sam>were doing different things.

01:14:01.750 --> 01:14:04.630
<v Sam>But they're fundamentally, especially to Donald Trump's speech.

01:14:05.110 --> 01:14:08.890
<v Sam>It's like 100, well, especially, they were both.

01:14:08.890 --> 01:14:17.070
<v Sam>They were both 100% political issues that are controversial in politics today,

01:14:17.370 --> 01:14:21.410
<v Sam>pushing their view, talking about Democrats' evil, et cetera, et cetera.

01:14:21.550 --> 01:14:25.610
<v Sam>This is exactly the kind of thing where Protocol says the military should sit

01:14:25.610 --> 01:14:26.590
<v Sam>on their hands, and they did.

01:14:26.590 --> 01:14:33.730
<v Sam>And a lot of the, you know, it took a few hours for the feedback to start coming

01:14:33.730 --> 01:14:37.410
<v Sam>in, sort of anonymous generals talking to reporters and such.

01:14:37.730 --> 01:14:40.610
<v Sam>The feedback is universally that, like...

01:14:41.140 --> 01:14:46.220
<v Sam>The vast majority of people in that audience were disturbed by the speeches

01:14:46.220 --> 01:14:50.380
<v Sam>and upset by the speeches, not support.

01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:54.100
<v Sam>I mean, obviously, there's some there's some proportion that would be supportive,

01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:58.060
<v Sam>but the vast majority were not. They were upset by this.

01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:02.480
<v Sam>They were like, this is not the kinds of conversations where we should be having.

01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:07.980
<v Sam>They didn't like being lectured by Hegseth on what it means to be a warrior.

01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:16.740
<v Sam>The feedback on Donald Trump was things like, after the first five minutes I

01:15:16.740 --> 01:15:20.620
<v Sam>stopped taking notes because it was just incoherent and rambling and it made no sense.

01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:29.440
<v Sam>Standard Trump speech. The Hegseth stuff was all anti-woke anti-trans,

01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:33.180
<v Sam>anti-woman, like we don't we want to restore,

01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:39.480
<v Sam>and pro-war pro-war crimes I guess like pro-war crimes yeah that was.

01:15:39.480 --> 01:15:40.180
<v Ivan>Very clear yes.

01:15:40.180 --> 01:15:45.040
<v Sam>Yeah it's like we don't want any of these rules that tell you how to behave

01:15:45.040 --> 01:15:50.600
<v Sam>we just want you to kill people kill people and break things you know I.

01:15:52.500 --> 01:16:01.980
<v Ivan>This hexathetic is arranged I I've never heard anybody in military leadership in my as an adult,

01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:07.820
<v Ivan>that I as I remember talk to generals like this.

01:16:08.900 --> 01:16:17.200
<v Sam>Yeah. And even if you actually hear actual military people talking about their jobs,

01:16:18.160 --> 01:16:24.180
<v Sam>like, they don't, with very few exceptions that probably should be run out of

01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:29.540
<v Sam>the rail, they don't talk about the kill people and break things with pride.

01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:34.040
<v Sam>They recognize that it's part of their profession as a necessity,

01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:37.840
<v Sam>but it's all

01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.640
<v Sam>about professionalism and being able to do

01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.500
<v Sam>what's necessary and not what's more than necessary and

01:16:45.500 --> 01:16:51.320
<v Sam>we want to use our power to achieve the political goals but we want to do so

01:16:51.320 --> 01:16:57.260
<v Sam>carefully they really care about things like rules of engagement and trying

01:16:57.260 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Sam>to avoid the civilian casualties when possible now,

01:17:02.570 --> 01:17:06.790
<v Sam>They could, you know, they could be a lot more careful than there are.

01:17:06.950 --> 01:17:11.330
<v Sam>You know, there have been a lot of unnecessary deaths in U.S. military engagements.

01:17:11.630 --> 01:17:15.110
<v Sam>I mean, we don't quite we don't quite reach Israeli levels.

01:17:15.390 --> 01:17:20.550
<v Ivan>But the one thing is that the primary mission is is, you know,

01:17:20.650 --> 01:17:24.850
<v Ivan>and I see this in a lot of places is defending is defending the country.

01:17:25.610 --> 01:17:32.230
<v Sam>OK, and that's the primary. Exactly. I've seen a number of retired folks commenting,

01:17:32.230 --> 01:17:36.070
<v Sam>the oath is to support the Constitution.

01:17:36.570 --> 01:17:37.890
<v Ivan>The Constitution, exactly, yes.

01:17:37.890 --> 01:17:41.070
<v Sam>And these fucking jokers are undermining it.

01:17:41.390 --> 01:17:41.910
<v Ivan>Right.

01:17:42.730 --> 01:17:46.250
<v Sam>You know, and so they are not happy about this.

01:17:46.250 --> 01:17:54.290
<v Sam>I, you know, I've even started, started to see some things on TikTok about like, you know,

01:17:55.390 --> 01:18:02.410
<v Sam>military folks starting to talk about the possibility of a military coup at some point.

01:18:02.410 --> 01:18:05.570
<v Sam>Now, I think this is not a likely scenario,

01:18:05.570 --> 01:18:11.930
<v Sam>but even the fact that you've got a few people sort of starting to murmur about

01:18:11.930 --> 01:18:18.970
<v Sam>those kinds of options indicate how much these people feel actually feel disrespected by this nonsense.

01:18:18.970 --> 01:18:23.670
<v Ivan>I mean, that's the thing. I think that's the key thing.

01:18:23.810 --> 01:18:32.770
<v Ivan>That whole event was totally disrespectful to the entire military leadership of the United States.

01:18:33.230 --> 01:18:34.970
<v Ivan>That's the one thing that it was.

01:18:35.810 --> 01:18:39.450
<v Sam>Everything from the call everybody in for something that could have been a memo,

01:18:40.790 --> 01:18:45.230
<v Sam>to the the things you're actually saying i mean and the fact that part of donald

01:18:45.230 --> 01:18:50.050
<v Sam>trump's speech involved you know oh and prepare to use the american cities as

01:18:50.050 --> 01:18:54.410
<v Sam>training grounds we're gonna you know be be prepared for that and if you don't

01:18:54.410 --> 01:19:00.730
<v Sam>like it resign now you know and this is you know So like I said,

01:19:01.030 --> 01:19:08.230
<v Sam>the culture in the military for many, many decades now is we are a professional

01:19:08.230 --> 01:19:10.410
<v Sam>organization. We live by standards.

01:19:10.510 --> 01:19:16.410
<v Sam>We're not just thugs that go out and kill people. You know, yes,

01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:18.170
<v Sam>of course, it's the military.

01:19:18.390 --> 01:19:21.510
<v Sam>They kill people. They break things. Yes, that's part of what they do.

01:19:21.990 --> 01:19:31.470
<v Sam>But the whole ethos is around service and professionalism and doing things by

01:19:31.470 --> 01:19:37.710
<v Sam>the rules and all of this kind of stuff and honor.

01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:42.080
<v Sam>And this is not respecting any of that.

01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:49.380
<v Sam>And part of it, of course, is like, you know, Trump and Hegseth don't actually

01:19:49.380 --> 01:19:52.720
<v Sam>think any of what I just mentioned is valuable at all.

01:19:53.040 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Ivan>By the way, and I'm pretty confident that most of those guys that got to be

01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:01.640
<v Ivan>general had zero respect for, even though Hegseth was in the military.

01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:04.060
<v Ivan>I wasn't sure he was. He was.

01:20:04.060 --> 01:20:04.680
<v Sam>Military.

01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:11.020
<v Ivan>He was in the military, but he wasn't exactly. He didn't really make it that far.

01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:16.580
<v Ivan>And it's something that I read some people mentioning. It's this is how far

01:20:16.580 --> 01:20:19.140
<v Ivan>a mediocre guy gets in the military.

01:20:19.700 --> 01:20:23.460
<v Ivan>You know, that was the thinking that I heard around some people.

01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:30.080
<v Ivan>And so, so these guys knowing when that's the mindset of these guys and they

01:20:30.080 --> 01:20:34.640
<v Ivan>realize that they got the mediocre guy who you basically like, you know,

01:20:34.700 --> 01:20:38.700
<v Ivan>the reason he's not there is because he was mediocre and now is the head of them.

01:20:39.240 --> 01:20:44.820
<v Ivan>You know, I know that I've been in those kind of situations in corporate when that happens.

01:20:45.100 --> 01:20:47.820
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. The rest of the people that were there looking at

01:20:47.820 --> 01:20:51.280
<v Ivan>this guy, they're all like, this fucking loser is the only thing.

01:20:51.280 --> 01:20:54.600
<v Sam>And this is a different scenario, by the way, than a civilian who's never been

01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:56.920
<v Sam>in the military at all, but has other experience.

01:20:57.280 --> 01:21:00.040
<v Ivan>Exactly. Yes, absolutely.

01:21:00.360 --> 01:21:01.140
<v Sam>Yeah, this is worse.

01:21:01.500 --> 01:21:02.660
<v Ivan>This is way worse.

01:21:02.700 --> 01:21:08.800
<v Sam>And he's coming in and lecturing them, and he's, you know- When they know.

01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:09.380
<v Ivan>He was mediocre.

01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:14.820
<v Sam>You know, and a lot of these things, like the administration has been so hostile

01:21:14.820 --> 01:21:18.600
<v Sam>to like women in the military at all, for instance, let alone trans people that

01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:22.660
<v Sam>they've been absolutely hostile to, but women more generally.

01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:23.160
<v Ivan>Oh my God.

01:21:23.300 --> 01:21:26.240
<v Sam>Now, and look, there is still,

01:21:26.820 --> 01:21:32.620
<v Sam>you know, the military hadn't fully succeeded in transforming to be fully open

01:21:32.620 --> 01:21:39.080
<v Sam>to women in all places anyway, but it's moved on quite a bit from where it was 20, 25 years ago.

01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:42.140
<v Sam>Like there were there were women in

01:21:42.140 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Sam>significant command positions there are women in various combat positions

01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Sam>celebrated the culture has moved

01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:52.020
<v Sam>on the culture you know it is

01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:57.680
<v Sam>certainly not perfect but they're trying to drag it back 40 years you know and

01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:03.760
<v Sam>and with with all of the or more and with all of this kind of stuff when you

01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:09.080
<v Sam>you don't let's say you did legitimately want to change the culture.

01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:11.840
<v Sam>This is not the way you do it successfully.

01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:14.360
<v Ivan>No, not at all.

01:22:14.580 --> 01:22:18.840
<v Sam>You know, I mean, just, just like we're, we're talking about,

01:22:19.280 --> 01:22:24.120
<v Sam>you know, first the military integrated, you know, integrated,

01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:26.720
<v Sam>not non-white people into the military.

01:22:26.900 --> 01:22:31.380
<v Sam>Then they started accepting women in non-combat roles and eventually some combat

01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:33.880
<v Sam>roles and, and, and trans people

01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:37.240
<v Sam>more recently and gay people more recently, you know, and, you know,

01:22:37.380 --> 01:22:43.520
<v Sam>this has happened over the course of quite a few years and it's the,

01:22:43.700 --> 01:22:45.200
<v Sam>it hasn't been easy.

01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:51.380
<v Sam>The, the, the cultural change has been slow and it is imperfect and it hadn't

01:22:51.380 --> 01:22:57.580
<v Sam>finished yet, but it had gotten to the point where you can't just snap your fingers and undo it.

01:22:57.580 --> 01:23:04.620
<v Sam>And, you know, what they're doing, I just, I mean, on the one hand,

01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:09.160
<v Sam>you know, I hate what they're trying to do, but at the same time,

01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:12.020
<v Sam>I'm glad they're as bad at it as they are,

01:23:12.440 --> 01:23:21.300
<v Sam>you know, because it makes it more likely that it will be easier to reverse

01:23:21.300 --> 01:23:23.000
<v Sam>some of this stuff once they're gone.

01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:25.720
<v Ivan>So i.

01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.880
<v Sam>Don't know i i have some more to talk about uh about donald trump specifically

01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:31.340
<v Sam>any more about these speeches before i.

01:23:31.340 --> 01:23:39.060
<v Ivan>Now move on okay oh can i say one thing wait yeah go ahead let's just you're

01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:44.540
<v Ivan>going to talk about donald trump you said oh can i am i my regular reminder fuck donald trump.

01:23:45.260 --> 01:23:46.700
<v Sam>Oh okay yes.

01:23:46.700 --> 01:23:50.320
<v Ivan>Yeah i just wanted to make sure that was clear in the program i don't want to forget to.

01:23:51.790 --> 01:23:54.870
<v Sam>Of course not. No, no. Can't forget that.

01:23:55.350 --> 01:24:01.550
<v Sam>No. So, look, we've talked about Trump's health before.

01:24:01.770 --> 01:24:04.110
<v Sam>We've talked about Trump's mental health before.

01:24:04.990 --> 01:24:06.890
<v Sam>I think it's time to do so again.

01:24:07.870 --> 01:24:13.890
<v Sam>I i mentioned how like generals were off the record quoted as saying they stopped

01:24:13.890 --> 01:24:17.110
<v Sam>taking notes because it made no sense and it was just rambling and going nowhere

01:24:17.110 --> 01:24:23.310
<v Sam>if you listened to donald trump's speech here and i did not listen to a lot

01:24:23.310 --> 01:24:25.550
<v Sam>of it i listened to i listened to.

01:24:25.550 --> 01:24:30.430
<v Ivan>None of it i just read what it is i i like i said before i have a visceral.

01:24:30.430 --> 01:24:35.110
<v Sam>Problem to hearing his voice and I want.

01:24:35.110 --> 01:24:40.290
<v Ivan>To like fucking like, like, like throw shit at it or something. So I have to turn it off.

01:24:40.950 --> 01:24:45.330
<v Sam>So let me start with, first of all, yes, it was rambling and incoherent.

01:24:45.430 --> 01:24:50.230
<v Sam>He's, he's often rambling and incoherent, but it does seem like it's getting worse.

01:24:51.010 --> 01:24:54.690
<v Sam>But also he just physically sounded like shit again.

01:24:55.110 --> 01:24:58.330
<v Sam>Like you remember a few weeks ago we were all talking about,

01:24:58.490 --> 01:25:01.070
<v Sam>oh, he's been missing for a week. Where'd he go? Blah, blah, blah.

01:25:01.230 --> 01:25:03.790
<v Sam>Something clearly happened. And then he showed up again.

01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:09.560
<v Sam>And fine, but he once again sounds like shit.

01:25:09.740 --> 01:25:13.000
<v Sam>Like, he was very, very low energy.

01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:19.140
<v Sam>His voice was a monotone most of the time. It was somewhat gravelly.

01:25:19.540 --> 01:25:22.580
<v Sam>He did not sound well.

01:25:23.940 --> 01:25:28.400
<v Sam>And so the speculation's not going to go away.

01:25:28.700 --> 01:25:35.040
<v Sam>I mean, I still think, like, more so than anything else, like if something really

01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:41.880
<v Sam>acute happens I still believe we will hear about that relatively quickly like if something,

01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.060
<v Sam>wrapped no,

01:25:44.980 --> 01:25:51.220
<v Sam>no way they will hide it as much as possible they will absolutely hide as much

01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:54.720
<v Sam>as possible but what I mean by something really acute is like if it's serious

01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.900
<v Sam>enough he has to get rushed to the hospital like we will know about that they

01:25:57.900 --> 01:25:59.460
<v Sam>will not be able to hide it,

01:25:59.980 --> 01:26:01.860
<v Sam>absolutely I.

01:26:01.860 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Ivan>Think I mean But listen, I think that they are geared up to even hide that because

01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:14.980
<v Ivan>if, listen, I think speculation is that last time he had to have some kind of

01:26:14.980 --> 01:26:16.520
<v Ivan>procedure, which is why he was like.

01:26:16.660 --> 01:26:18.880
<v Sam>Really like, but they might have been able to do it at the White House.

01:26:19.320 --> 01:26:22.240
<v Ivan>Yeah, but, but I think that they bulked up what they could do at the White House

01:26:22.240 --> 01:26:25.100
<v Ivan>precisely so they can hide whatever the fuck is going on with this guy.

01:26:25.700 --> 01:26:32.880
<v Ivan>So even if he has something major, that they could do it and hide it as much as possible.

01:26:33.200 --> 01:26:36.680
<v Ivan>I've never seen a president, you know, listen, we've had presidents wear the

01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:38.340
<v Ivan>health condition or whatever, they tried to hide it.

01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.220
<v Ivan>Sam, this guy's been wearing makeup to hide shit, okay?

01:26:41.820 --> 01:26:43.980
<v Sam>Well, he's been wearing makeup for decades.

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:47.520
<v Ivan>No, no, no, but he's been wearing makeup to also hide now, like, actual...

01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.080
<v Sam>Yes, I know, when he put the stuff on his hands and things like that.

01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:56.080
<v Ivan>Yeah, he's been hiding medical, you know, things that are actual physical ailments.

01:26:56.200 --> 01:26:59.560
<v Ivan>He was wearing makeup because he likes to look orange for some fucking reason.

01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:05.060
<v Ivan>I'm talking about wearing makeup in order to hide signs of some physical issues, okay?

01:27:06.550 --> 01:27:12.310
<v Sam>So what I was saying, though, is I think, like, I hear what you're saying.

01:27:12.310 --> 01:27:13.610
<v Sam>I still think if there was something

01:27:13.610 --> 01:27:17.030
<v Sam>really acute, they would be incapable of hiding it for very long.

01:27:17.510 --> 01:27:25.210
<v Sam>But I think what we're seeing is just regular, gradual decline associated with

01:27:25.210 --> 01:27:29.290
<v Sam>aging, both on his mental state and on his physical state.

01:27:29.550 --> 01:27:34.770
<v Sam>And it's not a dramatic, like, one day he's like this, the next day he's so much worse.

01:27:34.770 --> 01:27:37.810
<v Sam>But it's just gradual decline and

01:27:37.810 --> 01:27:40.970
<v Sam>he's got better days and he's got worse days and you

01:27:40.970 --> 01:27:44.570
<v Sam>know and that's going to continue to happen but

01:27:44.570 --> 01:27:52.090
<v Sam>i also feel like i think we're seeing increasing evidence of him being significantly

01:27:52.090 --> 01:27:59.770
<v Sam>checked out a lot of the time uh in terms of you know like look you you talked

01:27:59.770 --> 01:28:03.150
<v Sam>about him posting the Grim Reaper meme.

01:28:03.930 --> 01:28:07.330
<v Sam>A few days earlier, he posted this med bed thing.

01:28:08.770 --> 01:28:11.310
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:28:11.850 --> 01:28:16.950
<v Sam>So for those who don't know or didn't follow this, first of all,

01:28:17.010 --> 01:28:20.850
<v Sam>I didn't know this, but apparently this is an ongoing conspiracy theory on the right,

01:28:21.630 --> 01:28:28.570
<v Sam>that the government secretly has developed med beds using alien technology Yeah.

01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:34.340
<v Sam>Over the last couple of decades. And these are basically beds that you can put

01:28:34.340 --> 01:28:37.120
<v Sam>a person in and they will heal everything.

01:28:37.700 --> 01:28:40.200
<v Sam>They will. By the way, this is.

01:28:40.440 --> 01:28:43.940
<v Ivan>Okay. As far as I can tell, these people watched the movie Elysium too,

01:28:44.080 --> 01:28:48.180
<v Ivan>too, too many times. And you need to add that to your list if it's not on there.

01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:49.260
<v Sam>I'm adding, I'm going to.

01:28:49.440 --> 01:28:54.680
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. This is, this seems to be Elysium to give you the, the gist,

01:28:54.860 --> 01:28:59.160
<v Ivan>the main thing is a movie in a, in a future where earth is like,

01:28:59.160 --> 01:29:02.820
<v Ivan>so contaminated that people are living on space stations and like the president

01:29:02.820 --> 01:29:04.540
<v Ivan>and like all those people are living there.

01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:09.020
<v Ivan>And the space stations have these med beds where, where people can get instantly

01:29:09.020 --> 01:29:12.800
<v Ivan>healed of any condition, but only the, the elite people, the,

01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:16.920
<v Ivan>the chosen people, the bed beds actually DNA scan you.

01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:23.080
<v Ivan>And so they won't give you, if you're not a citizen, they won't give you the healing stuff. Okay.

01:29:23.500 --> 01:29:25.880
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. So, so that, so that.

01:29:25.980 --> 01:29:31.000
<v Ivan>So I think, I think these assholes. basically watched that movie too many times.

01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.760
<v Sam>So yes the idea is it can heal

01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.840
<v Sam>anything like from you've got a cold cancer

01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:42.080
<v Sam>somebody chopped so cancer somebody chopped off your arm it will regrow it and

01:29:42.080 --> 01:29:47.280
<v Sam>even d8 and even de-aging like yeah oh you don't you don't you don't like being

01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:54.020
<v Sam>in your 50s anymore okay try out your 20s again you know whatever but and and

01:29:54.020 --> 01:29:55.380
<v Sam>part of the conspiracy of course,

01:29:55.500 --> 01:29:57.980
<v Sam>is the government has this, but is hiding it from people.

01:29:58.380 --> 01:30:01.860
<v Sam>So Donald Trump posted an AI generated

01:30:01.860 --> 01:30:07.920
<v Sam>fake newscast of somebody talking about the new initiative that Donald Trump

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:13.860
<v Sam>was announcing that included video of a fake Donald Trump talking about how

01:30:13.860 --> 01:30:18.520
<v Sam>they were starting to roll out the MedBed program and it would be available to people.

01:30:19.220 --> 01:30:23.020
<v Sam>And it wasn't going to be available to everybody all at once,

01:30:23.180 --> 01:30:26.760
<v Sam>but they were going to sign up and there's a way and blah, blah, blah.

01:30:27.180 --> 01:30:33.580
<v Sam>And he just posted it. Like, it's like, okay.

01:30:34.580 --> 01:30:38.380
<v Sam>And the question is, did he see this online and just think, oh, this is cool.

01:30:38.980 --> 01:30:44.660
<v Sam>And it's like, oh, I don't remember announcing this, but okay,

01:30:44.900 --> 01:30:49.240
<v Sam>I guess I did repost Or what?

01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:55.040
<v Sam>You know, and they did take it down a few hours later. Like, it was taken down.

01:30:55.060 --> 01:30:56.160
<v Ivan>Oh, they did take it down.

01:30:56.620 --> 01:31:03.200
<v Sam>Which is apparently relatively rare for Donald Trump to take down his social media posts.

01:31:03.320 --> 01:31:06.320
<v Sam>But they did remove this one after a little while.

01:31:07.210 --> 01:31:14.190
<v Sam>And just generally speaking, I mean, his unhinged things that he posts on Truth

01:31:14.190 --> 01:31:19.650
<v Sam>Social seemingly get more unhinged and more unrelated to reality.

01:31:20.030 --> 01:31:20.630
<v Ivan>They're nuts.

01:31:20.930 --> 01:31:24.090
<v Sam>Which is hard because they were already bad.

01:31:24.430 --> 01:31:28.510
<v Ivan>Right. But yes, it has escalated in insanity.

01:31:28.830 --> 01:31:32.270
<v Ivan>I mean, it's like, I mean, I am like right now.

01:31:32.270 --> 01:31:35.630
<v Ivan>I realized that I was so busy the last few days that I stopped really reading

01:31:35.630 --> 01:31:39.750
<v Ivan>a lot of media because I, unfortunately, because how much I, you know,

01:31:40.190 --> 01:31:43.510
<v Ivan>actually I was busy and I was having a good time because I, by the way,

01:31:43.730 --> 01:31:48.670
<v Ivan>I realized that my favorite part of, of this job is actually visiting customers.

01:31:48.730 --> 01:31:49.850
<v Ivan>Okay. I've known that before.

01:31:50.010 --> 01:31:50.230
<v Sam>Okay.

01:31:50.410 --> 01:31:54.550
<v Ivan>And I'm like, damn it. I'm like over there. Honestly, I was having a great time.

01:31:54.850 --> 01:31:59.070
<v Ivan>So I wasn't reading any of this. And all of a sudden, after I got busy late

01:31:59.070 --> 01:32:03.230
<v Ivan>yesterday, I started catching up on some of this shit and I opened it and I'm

01:32:03.230 --> 01:32:06.230
<v Ivan>like looking at some of these posts and some of the posts that he was posting.

01:32:06.610 --> 01:32:12.610
<v Ivan>I don't know, a few of the another on the hinge stuff. And I'm like, what in fucking hell?

01:32:13.390 --> 01:32:16.070
<v Ivan>It's just it's in there and they are worse.

01:32:16.930 --> 01:32:21.630
<v Sam>Yes. And I and, you know, and I think there's a lot of.

01:32:21.930 --> 01:32:25.650
<v Sam>Well, here's the one quote from a couple of days ago. And of course,

01:32:25.750 --> 01:32:27.390
<v Sam>you'll say like it was a mistake, whatever.

01:32:27.590 --> 01:32:33.950
<v Sam>But Representative Dean from Pennsylvania confronted Johnson,

01:32:34.310 --> 01:32:37.930
<v Sam>Speaker Johnson, in the hallways at the Capitol. And this got caught on camera.

01:32:38.690 --> 01:32:44.990
<v Sam>And she started out by saying, the president is unhinged. He is unwell.

01:32:45.310 --> 01:32:49.950
<v Sam>And he's pleading for Johnson to like, do something about this.

01:32:50.890 --> 01:32:55.430
<v Sam>Johnson's answer, his immediate answer before he moved on to other things was,

01:32:55.670 --> 01:32:59.650
<v Sam>a lot of folks on your side are too. Too.

01:32:59.950 --> 01:33:00.430
<v Ivan>Are too.

01:33:02.350 --> 01:33:09.070
<v Sam>You know, and yes, look, I mean, some people have started talking about,

01:33:09.210 --> 01:33:11.790
<v Sam>like, Pritzker's calling for the 25th Amendment.

01:33:12.010 --> 01:33:14.090
<v Sam>Of course, no one's going to listen to Pritzker, right? You know,

01:33:14.730 --> 01:33:20.310
<v Sam>this is like the 25th Amendment has to be the vice president and a majority of the cabinet.

01:33:20.990 --> 01:33:26.630
<v Sam>And by the way, even after they declare it, the president just has to submit a letter to Congress.

01:33:27.210 --> 01:33:31.370
<v Sam>The president has if the president submits a letter to Congress saying,

01:33:31.470 --> 01:33:32.550
<v Sam>no, never mind, I'm fine.

01:33:33.210 --> 01:33:37.050
<v Sam>Then Congress has to weigh in and it has to be a two thirds majority.

01:33:37.590 --> 01:33:42.270
<v Sam>So like the 25th Amendment is really, really hard. You know, I mean.

01:33:42.350 --> 01:33:45.810
<v Ivan>It's basically about as hard. Close to as hard as impeachment, basically.

01:33:46.270 --> 01:33:52.510
<v Sam>Yeah. And basically, like, if the president himself disagrees, it's impossible.

01:33:52.850 --> 01:33:57.310
<v Sam>Like, for all intents and purposes, it's impossible. Like, it...

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:03.120
<v Sam>It's a workable mechanism if the president is in a coma, okay?

01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:03.940
<v Ivan>Right.

01:34:05.240 --> 01:34:11.340
<v Sam>But if the president is around and disagrees and doesn't think it should,

01:34:11.480 --> 01:34:12.640
<v Sam>or if the president agrees.

01:34:12.940 --> 01:34:16.000
<v Sam>Like, you know, we've had a number of occasions now where the president's going

01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:21.120
<v Sam>into surgery and they sign a letter themselves invoking the 25th to hand over

01:34:21.120 --> 01:34:22.980
<v Sam>power while they're in surgery.

01:34:23.360 --> 01:34:29.260
<v Sam>You know, that kind of thing. But it is not a workable mechanism in a situation

01:34:29.260 --> 01:34:37.040
<v Sam>where the president actively does not agree with being removed. You know, it just isn't.

01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:40.980
<v Ivan>So anybody talking about that— I mean, it is if everybody—if Congress—it's evident

01:34:40.980 --> 01:34:43.040
<v Ivan>to everybody— If everyone agreed.

01:34:43.340 --> 01:34:44.620
<v Sam>If everybody agrees.

01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:45.780
<v Ivan>But given the.

01:34:45.780 --> 01:34:48.800
<v Sam>Current state of affairs—,

01:34:54.860 --> 01:34:59.300
<v Sam>is to get Vance to take over. And so, of course, they're going to pull the trigger at some point.

01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:03.860
<v Sam>I don't buy it. I don't buy it. Like, if the opportunity arises,

01:35:04.160 --> 01:35:07.680
<v Sam>do I think Vance would, you know, grab it? Of course.

01:35:07.740 --> 01:35:11.240
<v Ivan>Oh, Vance is a grifter, of course. I mean, if the opportunity arises,

01:35:11.740 --> 01:35:20.500
<v Ivan>like you said, if he's in a coma, fuck, man, Vance is getting that shit signed like yesterday. Okay?

01:35:21.340 --> 01:35:28.280
<v Sam>Right. But yeah, no, I think a far more likely scenario is like what you were, they'll hide it.

01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:32.900
<v Sam>They'll hide it. I mean, they'll trot him out when they need to,

01:35:33.100 --> 01:35:37.960
<v Sam>and the rest of the government will work around him.

01:35:38.160 --> 01:35:43.080
<v Sam>I think we've got increasing evidence at this point that that's what's happening

01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:48.180
<v Sam>anyway, that he's not really engaged, except every once in a while on an issue

01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:49.400
<v Sam>that he really wants to be.

01:35:50.120 --> 01:35:53.060
<v Sam>I mean, hell, to some degree, this was true even in his first term,

01:35:53.180 --> 01:35:55.240
<v Sam>but I think it's much more so true now.

01:35:55.480 --> 01:36:00.980
<v Sam>There are a couple of issues where he's engaged and cares, but for everything

01:36:00.980 --> 01:36:06.500
<v Sam>else, the people around him are running things, you know, and depending on the,

01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.620
<v Sam>depending on the subject matter, it's a different person.

01:36:09.900 --> 01:36:12.640
<v Sam>Like on anything immigration, it's Miller, you know

01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.960
<v Sam>and there may be other people in other areas whatever

01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:18.820
<v Sam>but he's basically you know

01:36:18.820 --> 01:36:21.660
<v Sam>that they're they're deciding on the policy they're deciding what

01:36:21.660 --> 01:36:25.740
<v Sam>to do one of the things that was reported out of the meeting that he had with

01:36:25.740 --> 01:36:31.360
<v Sam>the democratic leaders over the over the shutdown last week was that they went

01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:34.180
<v Sam>to him and were like look there are all these things that are going to happen

01:36:34.180 --> 01:36:38.440
<v Sam>with health care that people's premiums are going to go up people are going

01:36:38.440 --> 01:36:40.740
<v Sam>to be kicked off it's you know,

01:36:40.820 --> 01:36:44.200
<v Sam>result of the big beautiful bill and we want to make sure that doesn't happen.

01:36:46.300 --> 01:36:47.100
<v Sam>And then...

01:36:47.830 --> 01:36:53.170
<v Sam>Apparently his response was, I've never heard any of that. That, that can't be true.

01:36:53.630 --> 01:36:57.530
<v Sam>You know, that's the, you know, whatever.

01:36:57.850 --> 01:37:02.510
<v Sam>And, and also, by the way, oh, I, I, I think this happened after our last show

01:37:02.510 --> 01:37:07.330
<v Sam>when he was sending troops into Portland and he finally talked,

01:37:07.650 --> 01:37:12.270
<v Sam>like he talked to the governor, the governor of Oregon and the governor of Oregon.

01:37:12.270 --> 01:37:14.610
<v Sam>And he was like, Portland's not like that.

01:37:14.890 --> 01:37:17.330
<v Sam>Portland's, there's nothing going on. We don't need you.

01:37:17.690 --> 01:37:20.370
<v Sam>And he's like, but I saw it on TV.

01:37:21.210 --> 01:37:26.750
<v Sam>And, and, and she's like, but it's not, it's old stuff, whatever.

01:37:26.950 --> 01:37:31.190
<v Sam>And he's like, are you telling me that what I see on TV isn't true?

01:37:35.950 --> 01:37:39.130
<v Ivan>I'm like that general that they saw that put his fans in his face,

01:37:39.230 --> 01:37:45.070
<v Ivan>which I think, you know, basically just, just, just It's channeled all of us.

01:37:45.770 --> 01:37:51.690
<v Sam>I mean, because it seems clear. Like the Portland thing. There's been other reporting as well.

01:37:52.370 --> 01:37:55.130
<v Ivan>What's going on in Portland? What the fuck is going on?

01:37:55.630 --> 01:37:59.730
<v Sam>The reporting on that seems to be that what actually happened is there was no

01:37:59.730 --> 01:38:02.410
<v Sam>long-term planning on this. Nobody on his team expected it.

01:38:02.670 --> 01:38:09.170
<v Sam>He saw a report on Fox News where they mixed in coverage from the year 2000.

01:38:09.550 --> 01:38:12.410
<v Ivan>The thing that happened, right, what happened years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:12.570 --> 01:38:18.510
<v Sam>Which, by the way, even in 2000, it was one event that happened on one block one time.

01:38:18.630 --> 01:38:19.090
<v Ivan>In one block.

01:38:19.170 --> 01:38:20.810
<v Sam>Where somebody burnt a car or something.

01:38:21.230 --> 01:38:22.170
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, yes.

01:38:22.830 --> 01:38:29.650
<v Sam>And so he saw that footage. And then the next morning he started tweeting out

01:38:29.650 --> 01:38:33.270
<v Sam>or truth socialing out, we're going into Portland with everything.

01:38:33.690 --> 01:38:39.210
<v Sam>And then after that, his team scrambled to figure out how to actually do it.

01:38:39.210 --> 01:38:43.870
<v Sam>Now, there's some reports that some of that planning with the team that did

01:38:43.870 --> 01:38:47.070
<v Sam>not end up happening was they were going to send in the 82nd Airborne.

01:38:47.670 --> 01:38:51.530
<v Sam>You know, they were like not just like National Guard. They were going to send

01:38:51.530 --> 01:38:54.590
<v Sam>in like elite troops and all this kind of stuff.

01:38:55.690 --> 01:38:58.490
<v Ivan>Yes. OK. Donald Trump is a psychopath. Yes.

01:38:59.190 --> 01:39:04.710
<v Ivan>Bottom line. Yes. There's after after careful analysis of all the information

01:39:04.710 --> 01:39:09.770
<v Ivan>we've got, Donald Trump is a deluded psychopath. Okay, there you go.

01:39:10.090 --> 01:39:16.830
<v Sam>And I think specifically, he's been, he's had serious mental health issues basically

01:39:16.830 --> 01:39:21.330
<v Sam>his entire life, but now they are being aggravated by age.

01:39:21.510 --> 01:39:25.250
<v Sam>They are getting aggravated by age and getting worse. And stress, yeah. Yeah.

01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.920
<v Sam>So, okay. With that, let's wrap it up.

01:39:29.100 --> 01:39:35.100
<v Sam>The usual, go to curmudgeons-corner.com and see all our stuff.

01:39:35.700 --> 01:39:39.960
<v Sam>Stuff. You can see our archives. You can see all the ways to contact us.

01:39:40.740 --> 01:39:43.920
<v Sam>Transcripts of shows. All kinds of cool stuff.

01:39:44.540 --> 01:39:49.240
<v Sam>I still have not added a link to TikTok there, so if you want to see TikTok, go there.

01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:53.500
<v Sam>The most recent thing on there, I need to post more.

01:39:53.660 --> 01:39:57.360
<v Sam>I'm still way behind i'm like a month behind the most recent thing on tiktok

01:39:57.360 --> 01:40:02.440
<v Sam>is the clip of me talking about the trip i took where you know i went on a carnival

01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:07.060
<v Sam>ride with a date and threw up and the people below us were screaming in horror

01:40:07.060 --> 01:40:11.240
<v Sam>as the as the vomit rained down from above on their heads,

01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.420
<v Sam>we are so good at setting up sam.

01:40:14.420 --> 01:40:18.620
<v Ivan>On a date i i contributed to setting up sam on that date and Let's just say

01:40:18.620 --> 01:40:21.580
<v Ivan>that I think it went quite well, honestly.

01:40:22.300 --> 01:40:24.400
<v Ivan>You know, it did.

01:40:25.140 --> 01:40:28.120
<v Ivan>As I said, there were a few speed bumps.

01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:33.380
<v Ivan>We had 30 years of stories out of this.

01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:38.200
<v Ivan>Yes, I would say that I proclaim it a success in the end.

01:40:38.400 --> 01:40:44.560
<v Ivan>Even, let's see, it was the vomiting, the horse thing, the horses,

01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:49.600
<v Ivan>the horse allergies at the ER. I mean, you know, there was, you know,

01:40:49.700 --> 01:40:52.380
<v Ivan>there was some action going on, enjoyable for Sam.

01:40:52.900 --> 01:40:57.680
<v Ivan>Everything included all in one event. And I'm like, damn it, you know, yes.

01:40:58.200 --> 01:41:04.020
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, that's the last thing on the TikTok is a clip from the show from about a month ago.

01:41:06.380 --> 01:41:10.760
<v Sam>Anyway, that is that. Importantly, there's a link to our Patreon where you can

01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:13.660
<v Sam>give us money at various levels. We will mention you on the show.

01:41:13.780 --> 01:41:16.520
<v Sam>We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. we'll send you a mug all that

01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.680
<v Sam>kind of stuff or at two dollars a month or more or

01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.720
<v Sam>if you just ask us we will invite you to curmudgeon's corner

01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:25.640
<v Sam>slack where yvonne and i and a bunch of listeners are chatting throughout

01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:28.720
<v Sam>the week so yvonne fuck oh

01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:31.580
<v Sam>i caught him by surprise i caught

01:41:31.580 --> 01:41:37.600
<v Sam>him by surprise filibuster filibuster we we need we need a something we shared

01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:42.500
<v Sam>on the curmudgeon's corner slack and talked about that was so exciting and so

01:41:42.500 --> 01:41:47.580
<v Sam>interesting that it will compel people to immediately want to join our Slack

01:41:47.580 --> 01:41:49.560
<v Sam>and get in touch with us to make that happen.

01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:53.700
<v Sam>So have I filibustered long enough, Yvonne? No, no.

01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:59.960
<v Ivan>Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. OK. All right. Story this week on the under random.

01:42:00.860 --> 01:42:08.840
<v Ivan>QAnon Shaman says he's rightful president, sues Trump for 40 trillion dollars. OK.

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:10.340
<v Sam>In a reasonable amount.

01:42:11.080 --> 01:42:17.400
<v Ivan>Yes, of course. In a rambling complaint, Jacob Chansley claims DJs are spies,

01:42:17.860 --> 01:42:22.160
<v Ivan>and the NSA stole his work for Batman movie and more.

01:42:23.120 --> 01:42:27.640
<v Ivan>I mean, yes, damn it. This is so fitting to 2025.

01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.640
<v Ivan>And he sued him for 40 trillion dollars.

01:42:33.380 --> 01:42:34.200
<v Sam>40 trillion.

01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:35.260
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:35.700
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:40.660
<v Ivan>Get get get on collecting that moment right away, buddy. There you go.

01:42:41.180 --> 01:42:46.280
<v Sam>And now that the med beds are out, you know, he'll be able to enjoy this 40 trillion over many.

01:42:46.360 --> 01:42:49.340
<v Ivan>Many years. Forever. There you go.

01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:54.900
<v Sam>OK, with that, let's wrap it up. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Stay safe.

01:42:55.020 --> 01:43:00.260
<v Sam>Have a good week, and we will see you again next time.

01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:07.420
<v Sam>I will be hopefully back in the Seattle area, and Yvonne will hopefully continue

01:43:07.420 --> 01:43:08.920
<v Sam>to be well enough to participate.

01:43:09.740 --> 01:43:10.740
<v Ivan>Yes, I hope so.

01:43:11.940 --> 01:43:16.520
<v Sam>Okay. Thanks, everybody. Here comes the music. Goodbye.

01:43:17.020 --> 01:43:17.500
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:43:48.240 --> 01:43:51.280
<v Sam>Okay, hitting stop. See you later, Yvonne. Feel better. Rest.

01:43:51.620 --> 01:43:54.260
<v Ivan>Ugh. Thank you. Okay. Bye.

