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<v Ivan>We are the curmudgeons Doing a live stream I am a lone curmudgeon Because Sam's computer shit the bed,

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<v Ivan>I can't sing worth a

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<v Ivan>damn I am on live stream I hate being alone on the live stream I need to get

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<v Ivan>back here Nothing I just said rhymes It's why I'm not an artist Please,

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<v Ivan>for the love of God Can you get Sam to fix his shit?

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, September 6th, 2025.

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<v Sam>It is just before 1630 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Entry,

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<v Sam>Yvonne Bose here again. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Hi.

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<v Ivan>Greetings.

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<v Sam>Yeah, so as usual, we'll do a butt first with non-newsy stuff,

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<v Sam>and then we'll move into newsy stuff as the show proceeds.

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<v Sam>I will start out by saying I promised something last week when you were out

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<v Sam>that I have not yet completed, which was a time lapse of my wife,

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<v Sam>son, and I moving her old Buick Riata over six feet to the left.

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<v Sam>Yeah so i i started to put that together from the the video clips from our ring

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<v Sam>camera but i haven't finished so i i have not put that out yet but i will i

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<v Sam>will i will eventually now i say that but but.

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<v Ivan>But but it's been done but it was done.

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<v Sam>It was done without without any destruction without any destruction it was done

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<v Sam>before last week's show actually i mentioned it and it said I was going to do a time lapse.

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<v Sam>But yeah, and I say that I will produce this time lapse.

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<v Sam>But you should keep in mind, there was once a snowstorm here in Seattle,

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<v Sam>in the Seattle area, that produced like, you know, a couple feet of snow or whatever.

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<v Sam>And it took like, over a month for all the snow to melt away.

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<v Sam>And I started building a time lapse of that whole snowstorm from the Abelcam.

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<v Sam>And I called it Snow Lapse.

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<v Ivan>Snow Lapse? Okay.

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<v Sam>And I am still theoretically working on the Snow Lapse video.

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<v Sam>It has been at least a decade since that snowstorm. I have not finished it yet.

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<v Sam>But, you know, but eventually I'll put it out.

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<v Ivan>Look, at least I will say that you're consistent.

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<v Sam>There you go. But yes. So anyway,

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<v Sam>and I think I also, by the way,

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<v Sam>I'm going back and forth, whether I just include the moving of the car or I

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<v Sam>also include the reason for the moving of the car, which was that we we filled

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<v Sam>up a whole bunch of dumpster bags versus full of trash.

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<v Sam>That needed to be taken away and we needed to

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<v Sam>like make room for you know

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<v Sam>they were supposed to come in with a like a truck

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<v Sam>and pick up the things and we needed to make sure they had room to come in and

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<v Sam>get them so there's also the putting out of the bins the filling of the bins

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<v Sam>and the taking away of the bins i could include that in the time lapse too so

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<v Sam>of course my my regular but first is going to be a couple movies as it usually

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<v Sam>is these days to try to like move that stuff along.

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<v Sam>What do you got, Yvonne? Did you have a good Labor Day? Did you have a good long weekend thing?

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<v Ivan>Well, I mean, it turned out fine, even though it started with some of the slack, you know,

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<v Ivan>that I had this blowout at my attire on my car on the highway at night on Thursday.

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<v Ivan>Which, one of the things that's just really irritating is that because a lot

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<v Ivan>of new cars don't have spare tires.

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<v Ivan>Probably yours doesn't. I'm going to guess.

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<v Sam>No.

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<v Sam>It does not.

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<v Ivan>It's one of the things that's really irritating. That shit doesn't work.

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<v Ivan>I already tried that once. Shit doesn't work. I don't understand how they're going to go away.

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<v Ivan>That shit only works if you've got a minor puncture, like you've got a nail, slow leak, whatever.

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<v Ivan>But anything else beyond that doesn't matter.

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<v Ivan>And the one thing is that, for safety reasons,

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<v Ivan>This has happened to me For whatever reason Twice in the last three years And,

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<v Ivan>My choice has been If it happens on the highway Especially on the highways here

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<v Ivan>in South Florida Where they have made the shoulders A lot smaller than they used to be,

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<v Ivan>Meaning that if you get off the road You really have very little margin for

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<v Ivan>safety On both occasions I have decided that I will drive that tire,

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<v Ivan>As is until I manage to get off an exit and onto a safe place to park. Okay?

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>There is no way that I will stand on the side of the road, especially since

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<v Ivan>on both occasions, I immediately knew the tire was not repairable.

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<v Ivan>It's not replaceable. I can't do anything.

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<v Ivan>All I'm going to do is just sit on the side of the road to wait for a fucking

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<v Ivan>troll truck, and I might as well sit on a nice, safe place,

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<v Ivan>Instead of In an unsafe location So I dragged it To the turnpike stop I left

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<v Ivan>the car It was at night No towing it to anywhere,

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<v Ivan>I took an Uber home I left it there overnight And then the next day I came to get the car with me,

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<v Ivan>I mean, I called actually roadside from Volvo. They have roadside, whatever.

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<v Ivan>They towed it to the dealer and they put a new tire on it. This is really the

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<v Ivan>only thing. I mean, the tire was like shredded to bits.

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<v Ivan>So that was the one thing that I was trying to take care of.

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<v Ivan>And there was like a concert. I was going to some other stuff.

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<v Ivan>But then the other thing that has been keeping us super busy is,

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<v Ivan>as I've mentioned here, that I was doing all this work to try to claim Spanish citizenship. Okay.

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<v Sam>Right, yes.

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<v Ivan>Which has been quite time-consuming in the sense of gathering all the required documents, okay?

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<v Ivan>But the key document that in order to do this, which has been a document that

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<v Ivan>I've been chasing for months, and I had asked my mom to get it.

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<v Ivan>It's like, look, we needed her grandfather's birth certificate, okay?

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<v Ivan>Because he was the one that was born in Spain and moved over to Puerto Rico

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<v Ivan>in the early 1900s, or late 1800s.

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<v Ivan>And the thing is that, well, I mean, you needed to get this birth certificate in Spain. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, well, I mean, I guess, or unless it was in my grandmother's paperwork or something.

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<v Ivan>And i i said mom you need to get that birth

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<v Ivan>certificate okay so but asking

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<v Ivan>her sister or whatever come to find out that my my cousin one of my first cousins

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<v Ivan>had also figured out decided that they wanted to claim citizenship but they

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<v Ivan>had an edge on me they knew the the the the.

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<v Ivan>Spanish consul in puerto rico because there

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<v Ivan>is a consulate for spain and puerto rico okay and

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<v Ivan>she knew the guy so she asked him for help to

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<v Ivan>get the birth certificate and lo and behold we were able to get that birth certificate

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<v Ivan>okay which is just i i i shared a clip of it it's just one of these i mean it

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<v Ivan>the birth certificate isn't a birth certificate they put they put all of these in books,

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<v Ivan>where they registered the births.

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<v Ivan>I guess at some point, the government of Spain, as many governments,

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<v Ivan>they digitized a lot of these records, so you could make them searchable,

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<v Ivan>you had the copies, and we were able to get that.

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<v Ivan>But then, you have to get all this documented trail to show, okay, great.

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<v Ivan>That's your great-grandfather. You gotta get your grandmother's birth certificate,

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<v Ivan>and then you gotta get your mother's birth certificate.

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<v Ivan>You gotta show the trail of how every person is connected to.

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<v Sam>The ones before.

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<v Ivan>Right, to the one that was born in Spain. There's also a thing that Spain had passed a law,

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<v Ivan>recognizing that a lot of people in between the late 1800s and up until the

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<v Ivan>dictatorship of Franco that were Spanish citizens were stripped of their citizenship

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<v Ivan>for various reasons, okay?

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<v Ivan>And that included everybody that lived in Puerto Rico. when the U.S.

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<v Ivan>Invaded Puerto Rico because the U.S.

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<v Ivan>Was invaded. It was a bloodless invasion, but it was still an invasion.

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<v Ivan>And they took over the Spanish-American War and the treaty that ensued.

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<v Ivan>They had taken possession of Cuba, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico.

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<v Ivan>One of the things that happened is that for some reason, in the treaties,

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<v Ivan>Puerto Ricans wound up stateless in a certain way.

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<v Ivan>Nobody recognized Puerto Rican citizenship There was such a thing,

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<v Ivan>existed between 1898 and 1914. But it was useless. You couldn't really travel with it.

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<v Ivan>And then at some point in the U.S. they said, okay, we'll allow,

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<v Ivan>in between that time period, we'll allow Puerto Ricans to go and they can go

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<v Ivan>to mainland U.S. and be naturalized.

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<v Ivan>Okay? We could do that. But that was complicated. Okay?

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<v Ivan>Now, for some reason, Cuba and the Philippines And I guess because there were,

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<v Ivan>Puerto Rico was a lot smaller.

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<v Ivan>Puerto Rico had like, I'm not even sure if it had a million people back then.

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<v Ivan>Cuba and the Philippines were way bigger.

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<v Ivan>Those, that was pretty clear what it was. I believe that there were,

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<v Ivan>you know, they were colonies.

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<v Ivan>There were countries. They had a citizenship, okay, that was Cuban or Filipino

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<v Ivan>citizenship established. So Puerto Rico was the one that was a little bit in flux.

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<v Ivan>And I think also in part was because there was a time period where Puerto Rico

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<v Ivan>was kind of like treated to an extent like a province of Spain.

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<v Ivan>So people in Puerto Rico were Spanish citizens.

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<v Ivan>But look, after the war, Spain stripped everybody that was there,

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<v Ivan>the Spanish citizenship.

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<v Ivan>Even if you were born in Spain and you were you had your residence in Puerto

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<v Ivan>Rico you lost your citizenship period okay nice so that created a situation that.

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<v Ivan>Eventually, Congress debated this for a long time for racist reasons.

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<v Ivan>They said, no, we can't make that a state.

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<v Ivan>But I will say that given the time to their defense, they were actually,

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<v Ivan>they said, you know what?

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<v Ivan>They were completely leaning. We need to give them just citizenship. The hell with it.

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<v Ivan>Okay? It's not that many people, really. This solves the problem.

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<v Ivan>Right now, they can't travel. They don't have citizenship. ship

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<v Ivan>so puerto ricans this this

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<v Ivan>whole situation congress kept dallying around for some reason they didn't get

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<v Ivan>to it they wanted to do it before world war one i i do think in part because

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<v Ivan>they they needed people okay so uh you know what a war but they didn't get around to granting,

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<v Ivan>puerto rican citizenship until like 1917 and it was under the jones act and

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<v Ivan>the one thing about about that is that borrowing and citizenship,

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<v Ivan>and this has been a point of debate, it's just for a virtual that we by a law

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<v Ivan>passed, okay, which in theory, some have discussed, also means,

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<v Ivan>could mean that you could, by,

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<v Ivan>eliminating the law, then we no longer would be citizens, okay?

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>And this is a tricky thing, and this has been discussed. I'll tell you that

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<v Ivan>I don't know So, you know,

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<v Ivan>given the current state of things, nothing would be shocking at this point of

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<v Ivan>some kind of like craziness that happens.

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<v Ivan>So, the Spanish government several years ago,

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<v Ivan>in recognition of the turmoil that happened in that period where Spain endured

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<v Ivan>quite an extended period of instability, the late 1800s through until the end

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<v Ivan>of the Franco dictatorship,

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<v Ivan>passed a law that allowed people that were stripped of, you know,

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<v Ivan>and relatives of them, that were stripped of their citizenship from Spain to reclaim.

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<v Ivan>Okay and you know the process basically you need to do this filing with documents where you show,

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<v Ivan>your, you know, uh, your familiar relationship, you know, how,

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<v Ivan>how it connects it and, and submit it.

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<v Ivan>There is a deadline to submit that is October 20th of this year.

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<v Sam>Oh yeah. Okay.

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<v Ivan>So now the thing is that.

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<v Sam>So you're running right up against the deadline here.

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<v Ivan>Well, here's the good news.

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<v Sam>The thing is the deadline set like years ago.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. It was like set a couple of years ago. Yeah. But here's the thing that

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<v Ivan>they, they had a deadline to do it last year.

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<v Ivan>They extended it one year, but, okay, to be, I had looked into this and was

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<v Ivan>like, I wasn't really that motivated to do so.

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<v Ivan>But, given the recent electoral events, then I did become far more interested in this.

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<v Ivan>But then the thing is that I had sent this to my family, and now everybody in

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<v Ivan>my family wants to claim this as well.

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<v Ivan>So all of a sudden, it's just a blizzard of paperwork in order to get all the

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<v Ivan>documents to do this right now.

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<v Ivan>I mean at least but the one most important one,

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<v Ivan>was my great grandfather's birth

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<v Ivan>certificate which thankfully my cousin who

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<v Ivan>had had I have a lot

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<v Ivan>of cousins but only one of them had the brilliant idea the

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<v Ivan>same idea as me to do so but they

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<v Ivan>also had one edge that I did not have is that they

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<v Ivan>actually do the Spanish consul so they were able to

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<v Ivan>procure that birth certificate Which

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<v Ivan>I Which I think is mentioning

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<v Ivan>These are books man It's just

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<v Ivan>Books they kept and they scanned

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<v Ivan>And they registered It's just crazy But

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<v Ivan>right now basically I've got that All of my siblings And as far as I can tell

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<v Ivan>Almost all of my nephews Are submitting this They want to submit their applications All of them.

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<v Ivan>I, all of them. And, and look.

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<v Sam>And so are you helping all of them or are they just, or is everybody doing their own?

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<v Ivan>Now the first thing that I, the first, no, no, no, I am helping all of them.

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<v Ivan>The thing is that the first thing I have to do, it was important that the first

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<v Ivan>thing to do, which I just spent the other day and I, I got confirmation that

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<v Ivan>it was successfully submitted.

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<v Ivan>I was to set my mom's.

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<v Ivan>So I got that done. and I do have a confirmation that it was properly submitted

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<v Ivan>before the deadline and so forth.

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<v Ivan>They said on the site that if for some reason you submitted something,

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<v Ivan>a document that needs correction or something, then by virtue of just submitting

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<v Ivan>it, they will give you time.

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<v Ivan>If you say, hey, you didn't submit this right, you need to correct this, you have time to do that.

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<v Ivan>So just by putting it in before the deadline, that gives you that.

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<v Ivan>Eventually they will review the documents.

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<v Ivan>They will set you up to have an appointment at the spanish consulate to review

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<v Ivan>and then you know you can get the citizenship awarded the one thing there's

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<v Ivan>no residency requirement for this either you don't have to uh and and there's

00:17:40.320 --> 00:17:42.900
<v Ivan>and it can be a dual citizenship also as well,

00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:50.480
<v Ivan>so so it seems pretty straightforward right now but yeah but it's but but it

00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.600
<v Ivan>was complicated to get all the.

00:17:54.360 --> 00:18:00.640
<v Ivan>Documents just straightened out and the forms that you had to fill out I always

00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:06.560
<v Ivan>have to remember also that dates, you remember that the US convention for writing

00:18:06.560 --> 00:18:08.980
<v Ivan>down a date is not the same as the rest of the world,

00:18:10.540 --> 00:18:17.920
<v Ivan>and I kept the one thing is that just remembering that I gotta I have to write,

00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.040
<v Ivan>I'm used to, well I'm actually used to it the one thing is that i think i came

00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:28.220
<v Ivan>up with a website that it was like you know i i was like okay look i'm doing

00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:33.640
<v Ivan>this in spanish so i have to put day month year not the other way and then

00:18:34.060 --> 00:18:40.780
<v Ivan>for some reason the damn website was trying to do it one one place where i didn't

00:18:40.780 --> 00:18:45.060
<v Ivan>expect that to be needed it tried to do it the reverse and i'm like what the

00:18:45.060 --> 00:18:47.940
<v Ivan>fuck why are you rejecting my date you idiot.

00:18:48.320 --> 00:18:50.980
<v Ivan>I was like, why are you asking for it in English format?

00:18:52.060 --> 00:18:54.620
<v Ivan>By then I realized it was just the format. It's just like,

00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.740
<v Ivan>But you have to just, it's just a, it was.

00:19:00.940 --> 00:19:04.020
<v Sam>It's a problem. It's a long, involved, convoluted process.

00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:07.100
<v Ivan>Then things, for example, look, I'm sitting down with my mom.

00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.780
<v Ivan>My mom doesn't know how to write an email.

00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.040
<v Sam>She should use Chapman GPT.

00:19:14.300 --> 00:19:17.960
<v Ivan>But here's the one thing. Well, no, she doesn't know. Come on, she wouldn't.

00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:23.640
<v Ivan>Here's the interesting thing. I think it's more refusal than anything else. I will tell you this.

00:19:23.780 --> 00:19:26.520
<v Ivan>It's not, it's not that she can't. it says she

00:19:26.520 --> 00:19:29.600
<v Ivan>doesn't want to because i remember when we were listen

00:19:29.600 --> 00:19:33.820
<v Ivan>when we were growing up we had we had compute you know we had a computer system

00:19:33.820 --> 00:19:39.620
<v Ivan>at the pharmacy to process like prescriptions and everything and like our account

00:19:39.620 --> 00:19:43.480
<v Ivan>you know a customer accounts or whatever she used that perfectly without a problem

00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:48.900
<v Ivan>okay all right there's this freaking idm you know whatever right whatever,

00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:54.240
<v Ivan>yeah and it's like it's it was this is you know and she used one of these like

00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:55.480
<v Ivan>mainframe type terminals?

00:19:55.600 --> 00:19:58.240
<v Ivan>She used that perfectly fine. I just don't think she wants it.

00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.880
<v Ivan>All of a sudden, to her, me making copies and scanning documents seemed like magic.

00:20:03.620 --> 00:20:11.360
<v Ivan>My father, by the way, who has all this gadget to do this, basically every time

00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:16.760
<v Ivan>he has to scan a document, has to call me to figure out how to scan a document.

00:20:17.780 --> 00:20:21.800
<v Ivan>He doesn't understand how to scan a document yet.

00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:25.960
<v Ivan>He will call me, so how How do you do this?

00:20:27.460 --> 00:20:30.580
<v Ivan>Oh, God, look, you see the thing, the image.

00:20:30.760 --> 00:20:34.420
<v Ivan>Okay, place it, you know, where it says. You see how it's got the stuff written?

00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.160
<v Ivan>That means that direction up.

00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.800
<v Ivan>And that might bother, damn it. I'll tell you something he did.

00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:43.100
<v Ivan>He bought a combination printer, scanner, copier thing that he has.

00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:44.920
<v Sam>That's our common, yes.

00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:49.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's our common, okay? That works pretty decently, except for one thing.

00:20:49.180 --> 00:20:50.700
<v Ivan>It doesn't do double-sided scanning.

00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.340
<v Ivan>And I find that quite irritating, okay? Can I be honest?

00:20:54.560 --> 00:20:57.300
<v Ivan>That's just asinine, okay?

00:20:57.460 --> 00:21:00.980
<v Ivan>Why would you have a printer that can do double-sided printing,

00:21:01.320 --> 00:21:02.960
<v Ivan>but not double-sided scanning?

00:21:03.780 --> 00:21:07.240
<v Ivan>I mean, that's just asinine with that thing.

00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:12.360
<v Ivan>Here's another thing I discovered, okay? All right? By doing this all on my father's place.

00:21:13.120 --> 00:21:19.440
<v Ivan>My dad has a laptop, an iPad, an iMac.

00:21:19.860 --> 00:21:24.240
<v Ivan>You know, he doesn't buy shit. He doesn't know how to use most of it.

00:21:24.320 --> 00:21:30.700
<v Ivan>But he just has it all, okay? I realized that I went to use his iMac that was

00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:34.100
<v Ivan>directly connected to the scanner, okay, to do this.

00:21:34.320 --> 00:21:37.980
<v Ivan>Number one thing that's a little bit perturbing is that for some reason the

00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:42.500
<v Ivan>app for Yandex, the Russian search engine, is installed on there.

00:21:42.760 --> 00:21:47.500
<v Ivan>I had removed it already several times. I don't know why he keeps reinstalling.

00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:53.380
<v Ivan>Who keeps doing this? So that's very perturbing, okay, all right?

00:21:53.500 --> 00:21:57.740
<v Ivan>And I removed it before, Sam. I know that I went and I removed this.

00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:59.560
<v Ivan>And I'm like, why the fuck is this thing?

00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:02.180
<v Ivan>Why is Yandex back on? Okay.

00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:07.500
<v Ivan>But then, you know, I did use it. Scan some documents on it.

00:22:07.660 --> 00:22:10.860
<v Ivan>Because for some reason, originally, I couldn't. I was under.

00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:16.680
<v Ivan>My father, for whatever reason, has two Wi-Fi networks. I don't understand why. So I couldn't connect.

00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:22.500
<v Ivan>I couldn't. At first, I was on the wrong Wi-Fi network that my computer or my

00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:26.460
<v Ivan>iPad couldn't find. the damn multifunction.

00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.680
<v Ivan>Then I realized I'm in the wrong Wi-Fi. I had to switch over.

00:22:30.360 --> 00:22:33.800
<v Ivan>But before I did that, I used the iMac. But I realized something,

00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:35.640
<v Ivan>Sam. That iMac, I'm shocked.

00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:39.920
<v Ivan>It works pretty... Even though it's got the rushing thing or whatever,

00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.340
<v Ivan>I was like, all of a sudden, I scanned and I looked at the interface.

00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:49.420
<v Ivan>It seems like a very old macOS interface. This isn't recent.

00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:55.140
<v Ivan>I'm like, how old is this thing? I did realize, I opened the about This is a

00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:58.500
<v Ivan>2014 iMac that somehow still runs.

00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:03.460
<v Ivan>You see, I had a couple of iMacs dating to that day that died on,

00:23:04.230 --> 00:23:11.450
<v Ivan>father's, which has been on continuously, he does not shut it off. It's a 2014 iMac.

00:23:11.810 --> 00:23:17.350
<v Ivan>So it's 11 years old. And by the way, it still works pretty reasonably well.

00:23:18.610 --> 00:23:22.870
<v Ivan>I get stuff, and it's not like it was a crawling to a slope or whatever.

00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:26.490
<v Ivan>No, I was able to scan the documents, airdrop them, do whatever.

00:23:26.870 --> 00:23:29.470
<v Ivan>And I'm like, holy shit, this thing works.

00:23:30.410 --> 00:23:33.710
<v Ivan>But my mom was like totally like completely like

00:23:33.710 --> 00:23:36.550
<v Ivan>shocked at my skills of doing this there's another thing also

00:23:36.550 --> 00:23:39.910
<v Ivan>i submitted this to the site but the file

00:23:39.910 --> 00:23:45.950
<v Ivan>sizes have to be under one megabyte yeah and i'm like fuck me i scanned all

00:23:45.950 --> 00:23:49.930
<v Ivan>of these i say hey they have to be person i think it said in some place scan

00:23:49.930 --> 00:23:54.650
<v Ivan>them in full color okay scan them in full color okay great well and i'm like

00:23:54.650 --> 00:23:57.050
<v Ivan>well oh but they can't be over one megabyte.

00:23:57.210 --> 00:24:02.130
<v Ivan>I'm like, god damn it. You want high quality and then you're trying to get me

00:24:02.130 --> 00:24:07.510
<v Ivan>to shrink the size like 70-80% people. Make up your damn mind.

00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:10.310
<v Ivan>Okay? Whoever designed this damn site.

00:24:10.550 --> 00:24:16.870
<v Ivan>Anyway, after going through all that, shrinking the files, using the 10 plus

00:24:16.870 --> 00:24:22.570
<v Ivan>year old technology, impressing my mom with my ability to fill out a PDF without actually printing it.

00:24:22.630 --> 00:24:29.070
<v Ivan>My mom actually had to send some letters to my to my aunt to have her go and

00:24:29.070 --> 00:24:35.030
<v Ivan>be able to go to the office of Puerto Rico that has the, it's called the demographic registry.

00:24:35.270 --> 00:24:37.990
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. That's the actual title of Puerto Rico.

00:24:38.250 --> 00:24:41.670
<v Ivan>That's where they have birth certificates, you know, marriage licenses,

00:24:41.890 --> 00:24:43.250
<v Ivan>all records of all that stuff.

00:24:44.010 --> 00:24:47.190
<v Ivan>My mom wrote the letter by hand because she doesn't, that's a good,

00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.390
<v Ivan>she didn't know how else to do it. She wrote it by hand now.

00:24:49.630 --> 00:24:52.890
<v Ivan>Now I will admit she wrote it by hand now. She didn't know how to send it.

00:24:53.330 --> 00:24:58.970
<v Ivan>So I have to have my nephew go Dude, go over there Take a picture of that letter.

00:25:00.250 --> 00:25:05.010
<v Ivan>And somehow Send it to my cousin Who was able to print it and then give it to

00:25:05.010 --> 00:25:09.130
<v Ivan>my mom's sister Who also doesn't know how to use any technology Of course So

00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:13.230
<v Ivan>she can go over there and do this So anyway, this has been,

00:25:13.910 --> 00:25:17.750
<v Ivan>A little bit of an ordeal And then I got all my brothers calling me Hey,

00:25:17.830 --> 00:25:19.010
<v Ivan>how do you fill out this shit?

00:25:19.950 --> 00:25:26.470
<v Ivan>Fine, look, listen Now I got this barrage of people Like all of them Asking

00:25:26.470 --> 00:25:29.310
<v Ivan>for help to do this But you know,

00:25:31.030 --> 00:25:37.990
<v Ivan>It's still The one thing underlying Me doing this Is a sense of anger Right,

00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:40.330
<v Ivan>Because of why the hell I'm doing it.

00:25:41.190 --> 00:25:47.270
<v Sam>Yes, because of everything going on, let's just put it that way.

00:25:48.870 --> 00:25:55.250
<v Sam>You know, let me ask, before we move on to my movies and stuff,

00:25:56.850 --> 00:26:03.230
<v Sam>obviously the purpose of having this Spanish citizenship, which in turn gives

00:26:03.230 --> 00:26:04.530
<v Sam>you EU citizenship, right,

00:26:05.470 --> 00:26:09.050
<v Sam>is to give a potential

00:26:09.050 --> 00:26:16.550
<v Sam>escape route if things get really bad yes you know what what what what is thinking

00:26:16.550 --> 00:26:23.890
<v Sam>through this what kind of things would actually trigger you saying fuck this

00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:26.750
<v Sam>i'm out you're moving to europe i.

00:26:26.750 --> 00:26:35.690
<v Ivan>Think the key the key has to do with protections for money because there are

00:26:35.690 --> 00:26:40.790
<v Ivan>certain laws that give my son certain protections.

00:26:41.850 --> 00:26:49.630
<v Ivan>And also there is a whole bunch of funding that has been available to kids with

00:26:49.630 --> 00:26:53.270
<v Ivan>autism that comes from the federal government, state government, et cetera, and so forth.

00:26:53.710 --> 00:27:00.570
<v Ivan>I mean, RFP Jr. has openly expressed his disdain for people with autism,

00:27:00.570 --> 00:27:04.470
<v Ivan>saying that they're a burden on everybody and so forth and so on.

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:06.510
<v Ivan>And society, in general.

00:27:07.550 --> 00:27:15.490
<v Ivan>And you keep getting all these wacko funding cuts just to give tax cuts to rich individuals.

00:27:16.290 --> 00:27:22.390
<v Ivan>I mean, to the wealthier people. Which, by the way, includes me in a certain sense.

00:27:22.550 --> 00:27:28.850
<v Ivan>But you know what? The tax does not make up for the loss of benefits that my son would get.

00:27:29.430 --> 00:27:32.650
<v Ivan>It doesn't at all and so I'm worried about,

00:27:33.370 --> 00:27:36.210
<v Ivan>protections I'm worried I mean what are the things I'm worried

00:27:36.210 --> 00:27:39.690
<v Ivan>about what he might do to people of Puerto Rican to Steve

00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:42.670
<v Ivan>Miller and his minions start getting fucking ideas of

00:27:42.670 --> 00:27:46.630
<v Ivan>what they might do to people of Puerto Rican that have citizenship

00:27:46.630 --> 00:27:50.730
<v Ivan>by virtue of something like how we have it for example yeah these guys have

00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:53.910
<v Ivan>been making every damn move and what the hell the Supreme Court starts doing

00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:59.410
<v Ivan>you know but I think that the number one thing is my concern about what programs

00:27:59.410 --> 00:28:03.890
<v Ivan>and protections that my son can have in the future.

00:28:04.450 --> 00:28:11.050
<v Ivan>And I know that in the EU, especially in certain countries, and across the EU,

00:28:11.170 --> 00:28:14.190
<v Ivan>there are a lot more protections and programs.

00:28:14.970 --> 00:28:16.950
<v Sam>It does vary a lot by country.

00:28:17.130 --> 00:28:18.670
<v Ivan>I've heard complaints about France.

00:28:18.670 --> 00:28:19.330
<v Sam>For instance.

00:28:20.110 --> 00:28:24.010
<v Ivan>But, for example, I know that the Dutch, for example, have been experimenting

00:28:24.010 --> 00:28:27.490
<v Ivan>with, for example, building these villages.

00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:30.990
<v Ivan>That basically were, you know what?

00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.900
<v Ivan>These people need to live in a place where they have certain protections so

00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Ivan>they can be more independent, where it's not like we're confining them to an institution.

00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:46.860
<v Ivan>No, we're going to build a village to where they can go shop.

00:28:47.040 --> 00:28:51.560
<v Ivan>They can go do stuff. they have everything that they have inside a perimeter

00:28:51.560 --> 00:28:57.220
<v Ivan>where all protections that they need just to make sure that they,

00:28:58.100 --> 00:29:02.180
<v Ivan>have services and we made sure that they're not exposed to like an environment

00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:07.100
<v Ivan>where they could get hurt that they could live like comfortably you know but

00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:13.260
<v Ivan>but given giving them the independence to you know be on their own so they can go to the,

00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:17.560
<v Ivan>grocery store they can go to do stuff they can do whatever they have all of

00:29:17.560 --> 00:29:21.420
<v Ivan>these things but also have an extra layer of protection for folks.

00:29:21.620 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Sam>And all this, of course, depends on the support level that's needed, which varies highly.

00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.940
<v Ivan>Exactly. Because it's something to give people, hey, let's give people independence,

00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:35.060
<v Ivan>but let's also give them, because they can do stuff independently,

00:29:35.120 --> 00:29:38.660
<v Ivan>the concern is, hey, you want them to do it independently, but you also have

00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Ivan>them to have some additional layer of protection to them.

00:29:42.600 --> 00:29:45.980
<v Ivan>It's this kind of middle ground. They're also trying to do that with older people

00:29:45.980 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Ivan>and other stuff or whatever.

00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.700
<v Ivan>Or, you know, say, you know, because one of the things that they do in the U.S.,

00:29:51.700 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Ivan>hey, we stuff them in our nursing home, and they're stuck in this fucking place,

00:29:54.920 --> 00:30:01.940
<v Ivan>in this one building, with very little, like, you know, very little stuff to do, right?

00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:06.740
<v Ivan>Kind of like, it's very depressing, okay, the way that this is set up.

00:30:07.100 --> 00:30:10.840
<v Ivan>But, you know, you go and you change that into a situation where,

00:30:11.060 --> 00:30:14.760
<v Ivan>well, no, they're not stuck in a fucking building.

00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Ivan>You're you're placed in a in a community where

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.340
<v Ivan>you have all the benefits

00:30:21.340 --> 00:30:24.140
<v Ivan>you know all the benefits of living in a community like

00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:29.080
<v Ivan>sometimes like a yeah you know i'm not gonna gosh it's a terrible example you

00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:32.100
<v Ivan>think of places like the villages for example like that where people go to retire

00:30:32.100 --> 00:30:35.420
<v Ivan>but but kind of like similar hey you've got like the towel you get the whatever

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Ivan>but then you add all this all this layer of protection around them so we know

00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:44.060
<v Ivan>hey we know that we're making sure that we're keeping them safe at the same time.

00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.080
<v Ivan>And you have the resources to keep people safe, which I think is a great idea.

00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.360
<v Ivan>My wife had an idea of a similar concept like that, but she kept thinking about

00:30:52.360 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Ivan>building something like that in the U.S.

00:30:54.240 --> 00:31:00.040
<v Sam>Bottom line, your trigger that would be like, I got to get the hell out,

00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:06.320
<v Sam>would be if some of the protections and benefits that exist right now for you

00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:08.900
<v Sam>and your son start getting withdrawn.

00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Ivan>Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:11.180 --> 00:31:15.860
<v Ivan>Now, one thing that I do have, thankfully, is the flexibility in going to Spain.

00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:20.140
<v Ivan>And I know that it is that, well, look, I can speak the language.

00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:27.820
<v Ivan>And so the one thing is that I also can probably get transferred to a job with

00:31:27.820 --> 00:31:30.040
<v Ivan>my company there as well.

00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Sam>Right.

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Ivan>You know, because I don't think it'd be really practical for me to be working

00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.760
<v Ivan>the Caribbean from Europe.

00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.840
<v Ivan>So that that would be a little bit more more complicated

00:31:42.840 --> 00:31:45.680
<v Ivan>but but i but i but

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Ivan>i could get a a job you know

00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:55.520
<v Ivan>in in in a similar thing you know doing that in in europe and you know with

00:31:55.520 --> 00:31:59.040
<v Ivan>with the company and i wouldn't lose a number of things and benefits that i

00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Ivan>that i have as being part of the company and i mean it gives it listen i i'm

00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.800
<v Ivan>doing this because you know my wife was like well to remove it to Spain?

00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:10.360
<v Ivan>Like, no, we're not doing that right now, but you know what?

00:32:10.600 --> 00:32:15.140
<v Ivan>I feel so uncomfortable right now. I want to have a plan B. Okay?

00:32:15.780 --> 00:32:16.060
<v Sam>Right.

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Ivan>We need to have a... This is bad enough that there needs to be a plan B in place. Period.

00:32:22.580 --> 00:32:30.860
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Well, that like, we didn't really stay light and frothy for that first segment.

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.080
<v Sam>Got a little serious, but you know, anything else before I do movies?

00:32:36.620 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Ivan>No, let's go to movies.

00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.980
<v Sam>Okay, so two movies this time that were watched.

00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:49.560
<v Sam>We're still, this first one, November 30th of 2024, and then the second one

00:32:49.560 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Sam>will be December 1st of 2024 when I watched these originally.

00:32:53.720 --> 00:33:04.020
<v Sam>The first one is once again going through AFI's list of movies down to number 15 on the 1998 list.

00:33:04.570 --> 00:33:07.930
<v Sam>100 years 100 movies list and that

00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:11.210
<v Sam>is the original 1977 star wars

00:33:11.210 --> 00:33:18.770
<v Sam>okay which obviously i have seen before and i'm actually like we're going through

00:33:18.770 --> 00:33:24.270
<v Sam>the star wars franchise in order and we are past that at this point we like

00:33:24.270 --> 00:33:30.270
<v Sam>you know but but you know went back to watch the 1977 original okay Hey.

00:33:30.310 --> 00:33:33.810
<v Ivan>Question. Question. I don't even know if this is possible.

00:33:34.530 --> 00:33:39.370
<v Ivan>If you want to watch Star Wars right now, can you find the original,

00:33:39.510 --> 00:33:42.130
<v Ivan>original one instead of the one with all the edits?

00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:49.250
<v Sam>Not. So there have been people who have reconstructed it,

00:33:49.370 --> 00:33:55.270
<v Sam>and you can find this online, where people have meticulously gone back and done

00:33:55.270 --> 00:34:00.450
<v Sam>the best through all of the available materials and tried to reconstruct the original.

00:34:00.850 --> 00:34:06.870
<v Sam>The original original is very hard to find.

00:34:07.310 --> 00:34:11.490
<v Sam>Like, I remember just a few months ago, somewhere in Europe,

00:34:11.810 --> 00:34:16.810
<v Sam>there was a showing of an original 35mm print in a theater.

00:34:16.830 --> 00:34:17.150
<v Ivan>Oh, wow.

00:34:17.770 --> 00:34:19.970
<v Sam>Like, somebody that had been, like...

00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:21.730
<v Ivan>Yeah, somebody had the print.

00:34:22.390 --> 00:34:26.310
<v Sam>Somebody had the print, kept it in cold storage, it was in good condition,

00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:33.030
<v Sam>whatever. They apparently, I think, did it legally. They got permission.

00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:37.930
<v Sam>For the most part, George Lucas has done everything humanly possible to prevent

00:34:37.930 --> 00:34:41.870
<v Sam>the original version from being re-released in an accessible form.

00:34:45.650 --> 00:34:51.670
<v Sam>His notion is that the versions he re-released are the real version of Star Wars.

00:34:51.770 --> 00:34:54.870
<v Sam>That's what he wanted all along. He just couldn't do it with the technologies.

00:34:55.070 --> 00:34:56.370
<v Ivan>Yeah, with the technology at the time.

00:34:56.370 --> 00:34:59.010
<v Sam>Yeah okay you know but of course a lot

00:34:59.010 --> 00:35:02.530
<v Sam>of people are like you know the 1977 version as released

00:35:02.530 --> 00:35:07.370
<v Sam>in the theaters that's what won all the awards that's what got everybody excited

00:35:07.370 --> 00:35:14.790
<v Sam>originally you know and we don't need you like retroactively re-adding a cgi

00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:20.530
<v Sam>job of the hut for instance right like that i did at one point right what wasn't

00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:22.390
<v Sam>even really a great job of the hot,

00:35:22.890 --> 00:35:27.950
<v Sam>although they've, they've subsequently changed it multiple times to make it better over time.

00:35:28.330 --> 00:35:35.590
<v Sam>But, and, and so like there are sort of fan enthusiast groups who have done

00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:37.190
<v Sam>various forms of reconstructions.

00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:41.150
<v Sam>If you Google it, you can find, you can find these people, you can find articles

00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:42.010
<v Sam>about what they've done.

00:35:42.170 --> 00:35:47.330
<v Sam>I mean, literally there's like, there's people who have spent years of their lives and,

00:35:47.950 --> 00:35:55.750
<v Sam>meticulously getting the best possible available source material and reconstructing

00:35:55.750 --> 00:36:02.930
<v Sam>that original movie, plus trying to do some non-destructive,

00:36:03.310 --> 00:36:08.150
<v Sam>make it seem like the quality is consistent even though they're getting it from

00:36:08.150 --> 00:36:10.690
<v Sam>different sources, whatever.

00:36:11.690 --> 00:36:15.710
<v Sam>And apparently some of these are really, really well done. I mean,

00:36:15.830 --> 00:36:20.690
<v Sam>it's like professional quality, re-edited, back together, back how the original is.

00:36:20.790 --> 00:36:23.890
<v Sam>But George Lucas does not make it easy. And Disney doesn't make it easy.

00:36:24.130 --> 00:36:28.770
<v Sam>Because this was one of George Lucas's conditions to fail to Disney.

00:36:29.830 --> 00:36:33.490
<v Sam>That the original never be released, right?

00:36:34.030 --> 00:36:39.570
<v Sam>Now, you know, who knows if there's some, like, loophole that after George Lucas

00:36:39.570 --> 00:36:42.230
<v Sam>passes away, they can do something.

00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:50.430
<v Sam>And obviously, the average person who wants to go watch Star Wars not only wouldn't

00:36:50.430 --> 00:36:57.010
<v Sam>care, but would probably prefer the newer versions to the older versions.

00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:03.990
<v Sam>Like, if you remember, like, I remember watching when Star Wars was on TV,

00:37:04.550 --> 00:37:08.030
<v Sam>like, you know, in the 80s or whatever, and they would re-put,

00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:14.530
<v Sam>you could see the little rectangles around the spaceship because the black levels weren't quite right.

00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:16.790
<v Sam>Because they were calibrated for the theater.

00:37:17.030 --> 00:37:19.770
<v Sam>But then when you put them on the TV screen, you could see the thing.

00:37:21.910 --> 00:37:25.550
<v Sam>And some of that stuff, you could see if you paid close attention even in the

00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:28.850
<v Sam>theaters, even originally. I mean, it was good for the 1970s,

00:37:28.930 --> 00:37:33.170
<v Sam>but it wasn't perfect, you know, and we do have better technology now.

00:37:33.310 --> 00:37:38.390
<v Sam>And a lot of things that Lucas did in the reissues improved quality in various

00:37:38.390 --> 00:37:39.530
<v Sam>ways, improved lighting.

00:37:39.690 --> 00:37:44.410
<v Sam>I mean, I think the things that people object to are the...

00:37:44.810 --> 00:37:51.330
<v Sam>Let's add a completely new CGI animal in the background of this scene that trips

00:37:51.330 --> 00:37:55.930
<v Sam>over its feet and does some comic relief that is actually distracting from what

00:37:55.930 --> 00:37:57.510
<v Sam>was happening in the scene.

00:37:58.270 --> 00:38:01.250
<v Sam>Because there are a few of those where he just added stuff.

00:38:01.810 --> 00:38:05.130
<v Sam>I mean, George Lucas is really into the technology, and he likes showing off

00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:08.490
<v Sam>the technology, and he likes, you know, oh, we can do this.

00:38:08.630 --> 00:38:10.830
<v Ivan>I mean, he was a guy that founded Industrial Light and Magic,

00:38:11.090 --> 00:38:15.710
<v Ivan>okay? You know, I mean, it was basically the powerhouse for special effects

00:38:15.710 --> 00:38:20.270
<v Ivan>in Hollywood for a long time and CGI and all of this shit.

00:38:20.430 --> 00:38:23.830
<v Ivan>So, yeah, I mean, he really liked this shit. It's not it. This isn't just,

00:38:23.950 --> 00:38:26.550
<v Ivan>you know, because he wanted to improve the movie. He really,

00:38:26.750 --> 00:38:27.850
<v Ivan>really liked the technology.

00:38:28.050 --> 00:38:32.750
<v Ivan>And I'm sure in his head, it's like you said, it was like, damn it.

00:38:32.850 --> 00:38:36.650
<v Ivan>That's how I wanted it to look back then. But the technology didn't exist.

00:38:37.330 --> 00:38:40.530
<v Sam>Right. And look, you know, it's been said over and over again.

00:38:40.530 --> 00:38:46.250
<v Sam>Like the, this is the part of the movie making experience that George Lucas is really into.

00:38:46.690 --> 00:38:47.050
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:50.230
<v Sam>Like the story and the writing and all that kind of stuff.

00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:54.430
<v Sam>Basically the best movies are the ones where George Lucas had the least to do

00:38:54.430 --> 00:38:55.390
<v Sam>with that part of things.

00:38:56.650 --> 00:39:02.270
<v Sam>You know, I mean, there's, you can go find, you can go find things that go into

00:39:02.270 --> 00:39:06.530
<v Sam>the detail of the original, the editing of the original Star Wars, for instance.

00:39:06.910 --> 00:39:08.890
<v Sam>And the first cut was crap.

00:39:09.690 --> 00:39:12.450
<v Sam>George Lucas's wife fixed it.

00:39:13.310 --> 00:39:19.270
<v Sam>Like she, she is the one who re edited the story to make it good.

00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:24.630
<v Sam>She took out some parts that were crap. She reordered it. She fixed the pacing.

00:39:24.870 --> 00:39:26.310
<v Sam>She did all kinds of like,

00:39:27.450 --> 00:39:32.470
<v Sam>the original star Wars was a good movie because of George Lucas's wife,

00:39:32.610 --> 00:39:34.850
<v Sam>ex-wife at this point, not because of him.

00:39:35.690 --> 00:39:39.870
<v Sam>Empire Strikes Back had a different director, you know, the,

00:39:40.150 --> 00:39:44.950
<v Sam>the, you know, and when, when he got back in full control and did a lot of the

00:39:44.950 --> 00:39:47.410
<v Sam>writing and everything for the prequels, everybody was like,

00:39:47.490 --> 00:39:48.670
<v Sam>the writing here is crap.

00:39:48.910 --> 00:39:53.650
<v Sam>You know, it's all wooden and whatever, and you've taken the life out of it.

00:39:54.010 --> 00:39:58.770
<v Sam>Yeah. So, and people will argue about those things, but anyway original star

00:39:58.770 --> 00:40:02.250
<v Sam>wars i have to give it a thumbs up oh in terms of which version i watched i

00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:06.230
<v Sam>did watch whatever the newest latest and greatest streaming version on okay

00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:08.430
<v Sam>on disney yeah yeah you were not.

00:40:08.430 --> 00:40:11.390
<v Ivan>Yeah you weren't being picky you went okay i want to watch.

00:40:11.390 --> 00:40:14.370
<v Sam>I mean you know and honestly i've got

00:40:14.370 --> 00:40:17.150
<v Sam>copies of this see i've got

00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:20.030
<v Sam>copies of this on blu-ray i have probably more

00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:22.890
<v Sam>than one over the years but i still like when

00:40:22.890 --> 00:40:25.810
<v Sam>it was time to watch it i'm just like you know disney plus

00:40:25.810 --> 00:40:29.450
<v Sam>come on you know i'm not gonna like go through

00:40:29.450 --> 00:40:32.930
<v Sam>the pain in the ass of getting the physical copy here you

00:40:32.930 --> 00:40:35.930
<v Sam>know we'll just watch it and you know but bottom line thumbs

00:40:35.930 --> 00:40:38.710
<v Sam>up it's star wars what what the hell can you

00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:43.690
<v Sam>say you know it's the original star wars that started the whole thing it deserves

00:40:43.690 --> 00:40:47.730
<v Sam>most of the accolades some some of the modifications for the new version i do

00:40:47.730 --> 00:40:53.610
<v Sam>think were detracted i mentioned the job of the hut scene and there was a you

00:40:53.610 --> 00:40:56.670
<v Sam>know I mentioned this sort of creature in the background and Tatooine.

00:40:56.870 --> 00:41:01.490
<v Sam>Like I could have done without those, but for the most part, good movie.

00:41:01.870 --> 00:41:06.390
<v Sam>I mean, it's star Wars, you know? And yeah.

00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.590
<v Sam>Any, any additional thoughts on star Wars from your side?

00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:14.710
<v Ivan>I'm sure I watched the last two years and I give it a thumbs up. It looked good.

00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:18.350
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, yeah. I mean, it's still, still, still works.

00:41:19.100 --> 00:41:25.500
<v Ivan>My son really loves at Disney all the Star Wars stuff. Yeah.

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:30.240
<v Ivan>They've got a couple of rides. There is one that was an older one that they

00:41:30.240 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Ivan>have updated massively called Star Tours, which he likes very much.

00:41:35.520 --> 00:41:40.620
<v Ivan>And like Smuggler's Run, Rise of the Resistance. The entire village they've got.

00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:45.520
<v Ivan>You know, you've got regularly like Star Wars characters walking through stormtroopers

00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Ivan>and others, whatever and whatnot. But it is pretty cool, everything they did

00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.100
<v Ivan>over there for Star Wars.

00:41:52.140 --> 00:41:56.260
<v Sam>And every once in a while, Anakin comes in and massacres the younglings.

00:41:56.560 --> 00:41:58.260
<v Ivan>Yes. Yeah, that's always fun.

00:41:58.740 --> 00:42:03.720
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay, next up. Next up. Let's get this done and over with.

00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:05.180
<v Ivan>Next. Next. Next.

00:42:06.220 --> 00:42:11.240
<v Sam>Those of you listening to audio don't know, but we had like a half hour of technical difficulties.

00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:14.560
<v Ivan>So we're like, let's get this thing done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Ivan>Sam's computer decided to, you know, I don't know.

00:42:18.540 --> 00:42:21.300
<v Sam>Completely crap out on me. Yes, yes.

00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.100
<v Sam>Anyway, we are over that now and moving on.

00:42:25.580 --> 00:42:30.100
<v Sam>But I actually have to take my wife to the airport immediately after we finish

00:42:30.100 --> 00:42:32.740
<v Sam>recording. She's going to Europe again for some conference.

00:42:33.100 --> 00:42:39.380
<v Sam>She's like getting tours of how they run ports in Europe and stuff.

00:42:39.620 --> 00:42:41.980
<v Ivan>Anyway, she's okay. All right. Well, you started saying the word.

00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:46.120
<v Ivan>She's getting tears out of you, run porn, what the hell is going on?

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Ivan>What are these, what are these, what are we doing?

00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.200
<v Sam>Ports.

00:42:50.580 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Ivan>Ports.

00:42:51.100 --> 00:42:54.820
<v Sam>P-O-R-T, like the place where ships come in and unload cargo.

00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:58.340
<v Ivan>I mean, look, that could be something, listen, as much as it's funny,

00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.260
<v Ivan>it could be something that is actually a regulatory standpoint.

00:43:02.580 --> 00:43:05.560
<v Ivan>If you think about it, and now it's in Europe, so, you know.

00:43:06.120 --> 00:43:10.740
<v Sam>Yeah, she's the vice chair of the transportation committee, so this is directly in her Oh.

00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:12.720
<v Ivan>So it's transportation. Okay. Fair enough.

00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.900
<v Sam>Yeah. Anyway.

00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:23.260
<v Sam>December 1st, 2024, I saw the Wicked in the movie theater.

00:43:24.700 --> 00:43:25.780
<v Sam>Wicked Part 1.

00:43:26.080 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Ivan>Can I read?

00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:27.940
<v Sam>Yes.

00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Ivan>I don't even know what the hell Wicked's about. I know that I've heard about

00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.120
<v Ivan>it. I've heard people raving about it. I have.

00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:44.540
<v Ivan>I had no interest. And honestly My interest is so low That I Aside from the

00:43:44.540 --> 00:43:50.600
<v Ivan>title And aside from that A lot of people liked it Yes No clue what else.

00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:56.450
<v Sam>Okay, so let me give you the background. First of all, have you heard of the Wizard of Oz?

00:43:56.870 --> 00:44:04.290
<v Ivan>Oh, yes. That I've watched. Did you see that they did this Wizard of Oz thing at Sphere?

00:44:04.310 --> 00:44:08.170
<v Sam>At Sphere, yes, I did. I have not seen that, so I won't talk about it.

00:44:08.770 --> 00:44:14.350
<v Sam>Well, of course, now that you've brought it up, they expanded it with AI so

00:44:14.350 --> 00:44:17.710
<v Sam>that it fills the whole Sphere. It's more immersive.

00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:23.710
<v Sam>It's an immersive experience as well, so that if there's stuff coming at you

00:44:23.710 --> 00:44:26.990
<v Sam>and there's things in the volume with you.

00:44:28.470 --> 00:44:32.590
<v Sam>And it's shorter than the original movie. They cut like half an hour out of it.

00:44:32.870 --> 00:44:38.690
<v Sam>But there have been mixed reviews from that of some people who absolutely love

00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:43.270
<v Sam>it and some people who are like, they butchered the original. It's AI slop, et cetera.

00:44:43.890 --> 00:44:48.310
<v Sam>So, but, you know, whatever. Anyway, you've heard it. The original Wizard of

00:44:48.310 --> 00:44:50.250
<v Sam>Oz It was first a book by L.

00:44:51.110 --> 00:44:56.230
<v Sam>Frank Baum, and then, of course, there's the classic movie from, I believe, 1939?

00:44:56.970 --> 00:44:58.290
<v Ivan>Is it that old?

00:44:59.450 --> 00:45:01.850
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Now I have to bring it up.

00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:11.670
<v Sam>Wikipedia. Okay. The 1939. Yes. And the novel was 1900.

00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:16.590
<v Sam>Um and there were actually like

00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:21.430
<v Sam>movie adaptations before the 1939 version even but obviously they're not as

00:45:21.430 --> 00:45:31.470
<v Sam>famous the wicked was first a a book and let me make sure i have give you the

00:45:31.470 --> 00:45:33.750
<v Sam>correct information for it.

00:45:34.710 --> 00:45:40.790
<v Sam>It is a novel from Gregory Maguire from 1995.

00:45:41.650 --> 00:45:48.070
<v Sam>The basic conceit of the novel is to retell the story of The Wizard of Oz,

00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:51.390
<v Sam>but from the Wicked Witch's perspective. Okay.

00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:53.150
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:45:54.130 --> 00:46:00.670
<v Sam>Interesting. That is the fundamental thing. Now, I actually read the book years and years ago, too.

00:46:01.470 --> 00:46:13.310
<v Sam>And here's the thing. The book itself is very dark, very twisted, very, let's say, adult.

00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:22.070
<v Sam>Like, it involves, like, weird orgy sex scenes and stuff like that. Yes.

00:46:22.330 --> 00:46:23.750
<v Ivan>Between, like— I mean, the book, Wicked.

00:46:23.990 --> 00:46:32.230
<v Sam>The book, Wicked, yes. Yeah. It involves weird orgy sex scenes with animals and stuff, okay?

00:46:34.790 --> 00:46:38.710
<v Sam>You know, because, of course, The Wizard of Oz has talking animals,

00:46:38.910 --> 00:46:41.670
<v Sam>right? So they are part of this.

00:46:42.230 --> 00:46:46.890
<v Sam>And just generally is very...

00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:54.310
<v Sam>It is a serious, like, mindfuck kind of a book, okay? There's a lot of stuff

00:46:54.310 --> 00:46:56.130
<v Sam>going on it. It's very political.

00:46:56.670 --> 00:47:00.670
<v Sam>It's very, you know, there's a lot going on there.

00:47:01.130 --> 00:47:05.170
<v Sam>But then there was a musical on Broadway made out of it.

00:47:05.630 --> 00:47:07.050
<v Ivan>Correct. Yeah, that I forget.

00:47:07.430 --> 00:47:10.150
<v Sam>It takes away all of that stuff, okay?

00:47:10.150 --> 00:47:10.990
<v Ivan>None of the orgies.

00:47:11.310 --> 00:47:16.450
<v Sam>None of the orgies. None of the, like, really weird, perverted stuff.

00:47:16.450 --> 00:47:20.330
<v Sam>Like that that gets like extracted it was

00:47:20.330 --> 00:47:23.910
<v Sam>it it's been on broadway for many many

00:47:23.910 --> 00:47:26.690
<v Sam>years now i mean it's still there as far

00:47:26.690 --> 00:47:30.610
<v Sam>as i know is it yeah anyway i

00:47:30.610 --> 00:47:33.730
<v Sam>actually my myself brandy and our daughter amy

00:47:33.730 --> 00:47:36.610
<v Sam>saw saw it with the original cast on

00:47:36.610 --> 00:47:39.390
<v Sam>broadway um and and liked it

00:47:39.390 --> 00:47:43.830
<v Sam>way back then that was in the early 2000s and basically

00:47:43.830 --> 00:47:47.430
<v Sam>it's it's still the the the fundamental conceit

00:47:47.430 --> 00:47:50.230
<v Sam>is the same you're telling the story of the wizard of

00:47:50.230 --> 00:47:53.030
<v Sam>oz but it's the backstory of the

00:47:53.030 --> 00:47:55.870
<v Sam>wicked witch so like and i say

00:47:55.870 --> 00:47:59.650
<v Sam>telling the story of the wizard of oz but it's actually starts way

00:47:59.650 --> 00:48:03.070
<v Sam>before the events of the wizard of oz and continues

00:48:03.070 --> 00:48:07.990
<v Sam>after the end of the events of wizard of oz a little bit like it basically ends

00:48:07.990 --> 00:48:13.470
<v Sam>at the same time as the wizard of oz but as a little bit more um and so you

00:48:13.470 --> 00:48:18.130
<v Sam>you basically you have the backstory of the wicked witch and the good witch

00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:20.310
<v Sam>going to college together,

00:48:20.990 --> 00:48:25.590
<v Sam>like before long before the wizard of oz happens so.

00:48:25.590 --> 00:48:28.330
<v Ivan>Are they kind of like bending the timeline as well,

00:48:28.940 --> 00:48:34.740
<v Ivan>Because, you know, the book was written in 1900. I mean, is this like a modernized thing?

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:43.180
<v Ivan>I mean, in terms of it's not really taking place, you know, I guess in the time frame of the original.

00:48:44.020 --> 00:48:50.980
<v Sam>There's nothing in it. There's nothing in it that where the time frame is indicated that matters.

00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.900
<v Sam>Like, like it is so much about the witches and the wizard and all of that kind

00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Sam>of stuff that like the only place, like if you think about the wizard.

00:48:58.940 --> 00:49:04.440
<v Sam>Of Oz, the only place where the time in the real world matters is to Dorothy,

00:49:04.740 --> 00:49:14.660
<v Sam>because it's sort of set in the Dust Bowl, Great Depression era before she goes

00:49:14.660 --> 00:49:17.120
<v Sam>to Oz. Okay. In the movie, of course.

00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.520
<v Ivan>In the movie, because in the book, obviously, that was born.

00:49:19.520 --> 00:49:22.600
<v Sam>The book was 1900. We had to have some of those events.

00:49:22.700 --> 00:49:25.340
<v Ivan>Right, right, right. So that was, yeah, even that was modified. Okay.

00:49:26.200 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Sam>But but yeah but in

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Sam>the the musical and the movie like dorothy

00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.080
<v Sam>plays so little apart it's like

00:49:37.080 --> 00:49:40.120
<v Sam>an almost incidental thing and

00:49:40.120 --> 00:49:43.640
<v Sam>she's in the second half we'll see like but like for

00:49:43.640 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Sam>the most part it doesn't matter you never see

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Sam>like the real world it's all right place in

00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.780
<v Sam>oz exactly yeah okay okay and

00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:58.180
<v Sam>and so like fundamentally like it's

00:49:58.180 --> 00:50:04.660
<v Sam>a really really interesting take because it recontextualizes the events so first

00:50:04.660 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Sam>of all you try you learn about the witch's motivations why she was doing what

00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Sam>she was doing the fact that you know it may,

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.660
<v Sam>maybe she's not really evil.

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Sam>Maybe she had good reasons for everything

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.680
<v Sam>she was doing, and she's just misunderstood, and blah, blah, blah.

00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Sam>There's a whole subplot. The wizard was subjugating the talking animals,

00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.740
<v Sam>and this is why the witch was sort

00:50:31.740 --> 00:50:35.260
<v Sam>of rising up in rebellion to defend the animals, and blah, blah, blah.

00:50:35.720 --> 00:50:38.640
<v Sam>Anyway, bottom line, musical was great.

00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:43.580
<v Sam>I like the fact that we actually saw the original cast,

00:50:43.580 --> 00:50:48.560
<v Sam>although apparently all the subsequent casts have been good too in various ways

00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:55.380
<v Sam>the movie version was split into two parts part one came out last year part

00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.160
<v Sam>two is coming out this year in November I believe,

00:50:59.700 --> 00:51:06.540
<v Sam>and basically the cast here like the original it was what?

00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:13.740
<v Sam>Christian let's see where's the musical Oh, my God.

00:51:15.450 --> 00:51:21.570
<v Sam>Just making sure. Okay, the original musical with the cast that we saw was Kristen

00:51:21.570 --> 00:51:29.310
<v Sam>Chenoweth as Galinda, which is the good witch, and Idina Mazel as Elphaba, which is the bad witch.

00:51:29.550 --> 00:51:35.830
<v Sam>The movie version has Cynthia Erivo and Arianda Grande as the two main characters.

00:51:37.010 --> 00:51:39.830
<v Sam>And, you know, obviously there are a bunch of things you can do in a movie that

00:51:39.830 --> 00:51:41.070
<v Sam>you can't do in a stage play.

00:51:41.590 --> 00:51:46.610
<v Sam>It was really good. I enjoyed it. I mean, the source material was good,

00:51:46.790 --> 00:51:52.410
<v Sam>and they did a really good implementation of converting it into a movie. It was a lot of fun.

00:51:53.750 --> 00:52:00.230
<v Sam>We went with—Brandy was also, I think, in Europe, or at least on some trip when

00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:01.530
<v Sam>we did—no, she was in Pennsylvania.

00:52:01.770 --> 00:52:05.730
<v Sam>Anyway, she was gone when we did this. So my son, my daughter,

00:52:05.810 --> 00:52:08.510
<v Sam>and my mom and I watched this in the theaters.

00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:13.610
<v Sam>I enjoyed it a lot. My mom's main feedback was it was too loud.

00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:19.950
<v Sam>You know, obviously it is a musical. So if you do not like musicals in general,

00:52:20.270 --> 00:52:24.110
<v Sam>you're going to have the same feelings about this one. They sing all the time.

00:52:24.490 --> 00:52:28.450
<v Sam>You know, it's the whole point of the thing. There are a bunch of famous songs.

00:52:28.910 --> 00:52:32.570
<v Sam>But thumbs up, really good version of this.

00:52:32.710 --> 00:52:37.410
<v Sam>I'm actually intending to watch part two in the theaters when it comes out, too.

00:52:37.730 --> 00:52:43.830
<v Sam>It's a lot of fun. and yeah like uh you you said you you have no interest whatsoever

00:52:43.830 --> 00:52:50.210
<v Sam>blah blah blah i'd say like if you if if you generally hate music movie musicals

00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:53.890
<v Sam>then you're gonna hate this too because it's a movie that's.

00:52:53.890 --> 00:53:00.270
<v Ivan>The problem i'm not big on musicals i don't really like movie musicals so this

00:53:00.270 --> 00:53:05.050
<v Ivan>is why i was pretty sure that i'm just like i i i don't remember now i remember

00:53:05.050 --> 00:53:07.510
<v Ivan>that it was the musical, but like I said,

00:53:08.290 --> 00:53:13.150
<v Ivan>I, you know, you mentioned it, and I was struggling, I forgot about the musical.

00:53:13.730 --> 00:53:14.290
<v Sam>Right.

00:53:14.510 --> 00:53:22.230
<v Ivan>I will say this, I like more a musical than a movie musical.

00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:24.610
<v Sam>Like, like, if you're going to the theater.

00:53:24.790 --> 00:53:30.690
<v Ivan>If I go to the theater, I find that way more enjoyable than watching a movie

00:53:30.690 --> 00:53:32.130
<v Ivan>that's made out of the musical.

00:53:32.790 --> 00:53:35.050
<v Sam>Right. okay i don't know why that.

00:53:35.050 --> 00:53:40.610
<v Ivan>Is but i find it irritating in a movie and i find it cool like when i'm watching it being.

00:53:40.610 --> 00:53:43.370
<v Sam>Performed and i'll say it for movie it is

00:53:43.370 --> 00:53:50.770
<v Sam>not my favorite genre at all like i i do find like lots of lots of music lots

00:53:50.770 --> 00:53:56.810
<v Sam>of movie musicals i can find like what the hell is the point of this right but

00:53:56.810 --> 00:54:00.810
<v Sam>there there are a few classics i mean the original Wizard of Oz movie was a musical.

00:54:01.330 --> 00:54:04.110
<v Ivan>I mean, I guess Grease was a musical. I like that.

00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:06.510
<v Sam>Grease was a musical. Yeah, I haven't seen Grease.

00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:07.170
<v Ivan>A movie musical.

00:54:09.470 --> 00:54:10.570
<v Sam>Grease isn't on this list.

00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:11.510
<v Ivan>Yeah, Grease was a movie musical.

00:54:11.690 --> 00:54:12.730
<v Sam>Why isn't this,

00:54:14.120 --> 00:54:17.620
<v Sam>Yeah, Grease is not on this list. So I've not seen Grease.

00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:20.220
<v Ivan>You've never watched Grease?

00:54:20.700 --> 00:54:22.400
<v Sam>No, I've seen clips.

00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:27.060
<v Ivan>Well, obviously, I mean, everybody has seen clips, but you've not watched them.

00:54:27.180 --> 00:54:28.700
<v Ivan>Well, Grease was a movie musical.

00:54:29.260 --> 00:54:37.180
<v Sam>Yes, I know that much. And I will make sure it is added to my list. Well, here's the thing.

00:54:38.060 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Sam>Movie musicals to me are the kind where there are a lot of bad ones,

00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:47.660
<v Sam>but there are a handful of really good ones and I think this fits into that category.

00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:52.900
<v Ivan>Okay, okay so that could be it. You know, fair. My wife would probably I'm not

00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Ivan>even sure if she's watched it I don't know, but I know this would be completely up my wife's alley.

00:54:58.160 --> 00:55:01.260
<v Ivan>You start with the witches, number one, which for some reason right now,

00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Ivan>she everything that she's watching on TV is around witches,

00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.380
<v Ivan>demons, things I don't know it's like, it's

00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:19.000
<v Ivan>like you know like with me with like air disasters law and order to her it's

00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:25.140
<v Ivan>like you know i don't know demons and then witches and.

00:55:25.140 --> 00:55:27.100
<v Sam>Then you know werewolves.

00:55:28.160 --> 00:55:29.580
<v Ivan>That's all she watches.

00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:32.500
<v Sam>Yeah my wife's into those things too

00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:36.980
<v Sam>we should get them together yeah no but like the

00:55:36.980 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Sam>fundamental the the thing that gets me from the very beginning

00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.560
<v Sam>and i like this genre in general is

00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:46.640
<v Sam>sort of the take a character from

00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Sam>a well-known story and reconceptualize the.

00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Sam>Story around them i think that's

00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.260
<v Sam>a genre i like because it's an interesting sort of

00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:58.280
<v Sam>mental exercise as well like what

00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.980
<v Sam>like this is the this is the

00:56:00.980 --> 00:56:03.940
<v Sam>bad guy in the story right in in the original wizard

00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:06.980
<v Sam>of oz the witch is just like evil

00:56:06.980 --> 00:56:10.300
<v Sam>and bad and there's not much thought actually given

00:56:10.300 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Sam>to her character beyond evil

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Sam>and bad right wants to hurt people wants to

00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:21.080
<v Sam>do whatever and this like expands that

00:56:21.080 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Sam>out and really makes

00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.420
<v Sam>it make sense to the point where once

00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:31.020
<v Sam>you've watched this you sort of think

00:56:31.020 --> 00:56:33.620
<v Sam>like oh this is what really happened you know

00:56:33.620 --> 00:56:36.540
<v Sam>it forget what they showed in an original movie

00:56:36.540 --> 00:56:42.240
<v Sam>that's that's obviously just dorothy propaganda or whatever this is like this

00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Sam>is what's really going on this is this is the scenario the witch was wronged

00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:54.180
<v Sam>you know anyway thumbs up thumbs up to star wars thumbs up to wicked let's let's take our break.

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Sam>What do you want real quick? We're running behind because we had our def... I want to get done here.

00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:21.180
<v Sam>I don't know what you want from this. Two curmudgeons corner from Alex.

00:57:21.700 --> 00:57:25.120
<v Sam>What two curmudgeons corner for Alex? I don't know.

00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.660
<v Sam>Alex has handed me...

00:57:28.660 --> 00:57:29.120
<v Ivan>Note.

00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Sam>A note with a list of how to actually make money from curmudgeons corner okay,

00:57:39.520 --> 00:57:42.600
<v Sam>so here is his list.

00:57:42.600 --> 00:57:47.260
<v Ivan>He starts with corn but we do it on only fans curmudgeons.

00:57:47.260 --> 00:57:56.120
<v Sam>Corner with you and I as the main I'm sure that will I.

00:57:56.120 --> 00:57:58.400
<v Ivan>Think people will probably pay for us to stop.

00:57:59.120 --> 00:58:06.340
<v Sam>I think you're probably right. Okay. Number one, Abel's May Passport required to listen.

00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:11.340
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's definitely going to make us profitable. Well, I don't know.

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:13.400
<v Sam>Number two, become millionaire.

00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:15.620
<v Ivan>Yeah, sure.

00:58:16.660 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Sam>Number three, number three, the white noise Christmas special.

00:58:22.310 --> 00:58:27.990
<v Ivan>Now, that I like. That I like. Okay. Okay. Okay.

00:58:28.170 --> 00:58:34.150
<v Sam>Yeah. It's not bad. Number four, the Apple FNAF brand deal.

00:58:34.630 --> 00:58:37.010
<v Sam>So, Apple FNAF is that game I'm working on.

00:58:37.010 --> 00:58:37.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:39.130 --> 00:58:41.330
<v Sam>Number five, no swearing.

00:58:42.110 --> 00:58:42.750
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck that.

00:58:43.230 --> 00:58:47.170
<v Sam>We've tried and failed so many times. Well, we've tried to reduce it.

00:58:47.290 --> 00:58:48.550
<v Sam>We've never tried to eliminate it.

00:58:48.550 --> 00:58:49.310
<v Ivan>It's not going to work.

00:58:49.550 --> 00:58:53.230
<v Sam>It doesn't work. number six tiktok

00:58:53.230 --> 00:58:57.930
<v Sam>exclusives maybe maybe next

00:58:57.930 --> 00:59:00.730
<v Sam>and i'm losing count because he only had bullets and i was adding

00:59:00.730 --> 00:59:05.590
<v Sam>the numbers and i can't count this high true binary

00:59:05.590 --> 00:59:08.550
<v Sam>clock brand deal for anybody who

00:59:08.550 --> 00:59:11.550
<v Sam>has not seen it on applesmay.com i have

00:59:11.550 --> 00:59:14.450
<v Sam>a true binary clock that is

00:59:14.450 --> 00:59:19.510
<v Sam>like you know those things you can buy like binary clocks that try to do all

00:59:19.510 --> 00:59:23.710
<v Sam>the numbers in binary and it's just a bunch of dots that light up but my problem

00:59:23.710 --> 00:59:31.970
<v Sam>is they convert all the digits to binary so like if you have like you know the the time right now of you.

00:59:31.970 --> 00:59:35.590
<v Ivan>Know but it doesn't i mean date and time or just the time.

00:59:35.590 --> 00:59:38.390
<v Sam>No it's just a well the ones you can buy right

00:59:38.390 --> 00:59:41.170
<v Sam>now like if you you can go out and buy binary clocks all over the

00:59:41.170 --> 00:59:45.350
<v Sam>place and like they do like if it is 12 56

00:59:45.350 --> 00:59:48.410
<v Sam>they will have the binary for one the

00:59:48.410 --> 00:59:51.410
<v Sam>binary for two the binary for five the

00:59:51.410 --> 00:59:56.050
<v Sam>binary for six and that's the display but i've

00:59:56.050 --> 00:59:59.750
<v Sam>always had a problem with this that if you're actually going to do binary time

00:59:59.750 --> 01:00:05.630
<v Sam>you should divide the day up in a binary way so half days quarter days eighth

01:00:05.630 --> 01:00:13.090
<v Sam>days etc so on my website there if you go to abosmay.com and then click on true binary clock.

01:00:13.470 --> 01:00:21.590
<v Sam>There is a four by four grid, each of which is a little ball that lights up or does not.

01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:25.860
<v Sam>Based on dividing the time in the way that I said.

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:31.120
<v Sam>The 16th one is just a little bit over a second, if I remember right,

01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:34.940
<v Sam>or maybe it's just a little bit under a second, but it's close to a second.

01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.900
<v Sam>And the first one is a half day, you know, half day, quarter day,

01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:41.100
<v Sam>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all the way down.

01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:46.300
<v Sam>And so this gives you a little display that's a true binary clock.

01:00:47.060 --> 01:00:51.800
<v Sam>And yeah, I've toyed around over the years with the idea of building a physical

01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.520
<v Sam>one of these, but I don't have the right skills.

01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.600
<v Sam>So now maybe AI could tell me how to now.

01:00:57.740 --> 01:01:03.260
<v Sam>So I could just have ChatGPT, like give me the schematics for a proper true

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:08.460
<v Sam>binary clock that I can send to some like place in China and have them make

01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:10.380
<v Sam>millions of them for me and sell them.

01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Ivan>Aha. Okay, there you go.

01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:17.520
<v Sam>Anyway, that brand deal. Oh, and then here we go. Spinoff TV show.

01:01:18.140 --> 01:01:19.540
<v Ivan>What's been off TV show?

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.820
<v Sam>Well we do have their live stream yeah but it's not quite the same we gotta sell us to like.

01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:27.820
<v Ivan>I don't know i guess we don't sell it to like the networks anymore we gotta

01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Ivan>sell it to like what netflix apple tv.

01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:34.120
<v Sam>And this would not just be like a video version of the podcast it would have

01:01:34.120 --> 01:01:40.600
<v Sam>to be like a scripted sitcom or something about how we create the podcast i'm.

01:01:40.600 --> 01:01:44.640
<v Ivan>Sure that'll like you know light the ratings on fire.

01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:50.280
<v Sam>And his very last item on how to make money off curmudgeons corner.

01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:53.340
<v Sam>Not make horrible podcast.

01:01:54.020 --> 01:01:56.240
<v Ivan>Ah, well, okay.

01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:03.580
<v Sam>Okay, let's take a break. We will come back and do some serious stuff until

01:02:03.580 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Sam>I have to get out of here to take my wife to the airport.

01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Sam>This will probably end up, once we take out, Like when I edit this and we don't

01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.960
<v Sam>include the half hour of technical difficulties that folks on the live stream

01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.940
<v Sam>would see, this may be short. We'll see. Whatever. It doesn't matter.

01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:28.040
<v Sam>We're good enough. Here we go. What? No, that was bad.

01:03:02.380 --> 01:03:03.020
<v Sam>Bye.

01:03:06.100 --> 01:03:09.980
<v Sam>Okay, two other quick things to mention before we hit the serious stuff.

01:03:10.300 --> 01:03:17.080
<v Sam>One, while we were recording this first segment, I have a big glass of water

01:03:17.080 --> 01:03:20.740
<v Sam>to drink while I have this. And while we were recording this segment...

01:03:20.740 --> 01:03:22.480
<v Ivan>I bet I used to pour it over your head, but okay.

01:03:22.720 --> 01:03:30.080
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, sometimes. But my son comes in here, and he has apparently purchased

01:03:30.080 --> 01:03:33.460
<v Sam>himself a package of something that he's over there opening.

01:03:34.100 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Sam>And then he comes, and it's a light.

01:03:38.620 --> 01:03:42.080
<v Sam>He shows me a light. He flashes it in my face while I'm trying to record.

01:03:42.080 --> 01:03:43.300
<v Sam>I'm like, you're distracting me.

01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:50.820
<v Sam>I'm trying to listen to Yvonne stop this. But then he starts dropping these into my cup of water.

01:03:51.480 --> 01:04:01.180
<v Sam>It turns out he bought a whole bunch of waterproof LED light things that have

01:04:01.180 --> 01:04:04.640
<v Sam>a remote control so you can change the colors, you can change whatever.

01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:10.720
<v Ivan>Okay, Sam, wait, wait. Were these cleaned before you put them in your water?

01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.560
<v Sam>I probably not.

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Sam>He dropped them in there, and I drank out of it anyway.

01:04:19.180 --> 01:04:26.160
<v Ivan>Can you please not drink that water? Donnelly knows what chemicals coated those fucking little lights.

01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:27.780
<v Sam>Well, you know.

01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:28.660
<v Ivan>Try to avoid that.

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Sam>Maybe he bought food-safe versions. I don't know, because you could see wanting

01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Sam>to do this in drinks, in restaurants.

01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:39.500
<v Ivan>Yeah, and I have seen that, yeah. But, you know.

01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Sam>Or maybe he bought the kind that are meant for fish ponds or something.

01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.160
<v Sam>I don't know, but like. You know, I was still thirsty.

01:04:47.740 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Sam>Anyway, I have this glass full. Oh, he's showing me the thing. Is it food safe?

01:04:54.160 --> 01:05:00.240
<v Sam>Mini submersible LED lights, table centerpieces. They're probably not food safe.

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:00.660
<v Ivan>No!

01:05:01.680 --> 01:05:07.020
<v Sam>Da-da-da. Great for the centerpiece, vase, pond, swimming, cool fish tanks.

01:05:08.060 --> 01:05:12.840
<v Sam>It does mention ice buckets, but you're not supposed to eat that ice probably.

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Sam>Yeah so but you know I'm sure they weren't that dirty as I'm drinking it also it doesn't taste great,

01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:31.980
<v Sam>well it tastes about the same as it did before also there have been here in

01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:38.720
<v Sam>pacific northwest just over the last 24 48 hours forest fires not in my immediate

01:05:38.720 --> 01:05:42.100
<v Sam>area but close enough that it's been smoky.

01:05:42.100 --> 01:05:43.660
<v Ivan>That's not good so.

01:05:43.660 --> 01:05:48.380
<v Sam>Like it's actually cleared up a little bit today but yesterday afternoon it

01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:53.840
<v Sam>was really bad like it was like when i was driving home from work there was

01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.700
<v Sam>a point where it felt like I went into a wall of smoke.

01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:57.620
<v Ivan>Nice.

01:05:58.180 --> 01:06:03.660
<v Sam>And then it was just like you could feel it when you breathed.

01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:07.680
<v Sam>You couldn't see very far. Visibility was bad.

01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:14.360
<v Sam>And, yeah, so there have been some fires in British Columbia where the smoke

01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.820
<v Sam>has been making over here, and apparently within the last 48 hours there's also

01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:22.460
<v Sam>been a big fire in eastern Washington that's been contributing to it.

01:06:22.460 --> 01:06:27.120
<v Sam>But I'm not sure if it's the same one where ICE picked up some of the firemen

01:06:27.120 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Sam>a few, like last week sometime.

01:06:30.220 --> 01:06:36.060
<v Sam>There was a big deal. That was a story there where ICE raided the team of firemen

01:06:36.060 --> 01:06:40.720
<v Sam>who were actively combating the fire and arrested several of them and took them away.

01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:45.300
<v Sam>Which moves us on to the regular serious topics.

01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:51.480
<v Ivan>Well, we already talked about immigration earlier. Well, I guess we need to revisit it a little bit.

01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:55.000
<v Sam>We can talk about the Hyundai plant, maybe.

01:06:55.740 --> 01:06:59.880
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's what I... Well, it goes together with the whole jobs report.

01:07:00.120 --> 01:07:03.380
<v Ivan>Hey, Sam, what did you hear about the jobs report for the last three months?

01:07:03.820 --> 01:07:07.780
<v Sam>I heard that it sucked again, even though apparently we're now...

01:07:07.780 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Sam>We fired the person who gave us the bad numbers, so I don't understand why we

01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Sam>would have another bad one.

01:07:12.520 --> 01:07:16.460
<v Ivan>By the way, the first thing that happened is something that I don't recall ever

01:07:16.460 --> 01:07:20.180
<v Ivan>having happened. and as the jobs report was going to be released all of a sudden

01:07:20.180 --> 01:07:25.260
<v Ivan>they said oh oh oh we got in the way because we got some technical difficulties and I was like,

01:07:26.330 --> 01:07:31.990
<v Ivan>Wait, what? Which was suspicious in and of its stuff.

01:07:32.350 --> 01:07:37.270
<v Ivan>Okay, I was like, oh, technical difficulties? What, Trump doesn't like the number?

01:07:37.970 --> 01:07:41.750
<v Sam>Right, that's the technical difficulty you'd think, yeah.

01:07:42.410 --> 01:07:47.430
<v Ivan>Yeah, they released the number, and there were more downward revisions for the

01:07:47.430 --> 01:07:49.030
<v Ivan>previous monthly numbers.

01:07:49.830 --> 01:07:51.870
<v Sam>Including making one of them negative.

01:07:52.230 --> 01:07:57.470
<v Ivan>Negative, yeah. So, I mean, look,

01:07:58.530 --> 01:08:12.950
<v Ivan>the uncertainty right now related to tariff policies is causing people to cause investments.

01:08:12.950 --> 01:08:22.170
<v Ivan>I mean, there is no way that you as a company are confident in going and spending

01:08:22.170 --> 01:08:28.730
<v Ivan>and investing money in a whole bunch of projects because of all the uncertainty

01:08:28.730 --> 01:08:30.930
<v Ivan>he has created over the tariffs.

01:08:31.530 --> 01:08:38.650
<v Ivan>Even if, say even if they were legal, say take the legal issue out of the equation,

01:08:38.790 --> 01:08:39.870
<v Ivan>which is also another problem.

01:08:40.110 --> 01:08:42.930
<v Sam>Yes, because courts, the lower courts at this level.

01:08:42.950 --> 01:08:46.710
<v Sam>Have said that these tariffs are illegal, it's stayed pending appeal,

01:08:46.710 --> 01:08:48.670
<v Sam>and it will undoubtedly go to SCOTUS.

01:08:49.010 --> 01:08:53.430
<v Ivan>Well, no, the appeal, you know, well, first you have the lower court and sentence invalid.

01:08:53.790 --> 01:08:59.070
<v Ivan>The appeal was, you know, affirmed the lower court.

01:08:59.430 --> 01:09:03.610
<v Ivan>The administration is right now, that decision has 30 days.

01:09:03.890 --> 01:09:07.530
<v Ivan>They've appealed to Supreme Court, like right now. The bottom line is that they've

01:09:07.530 --> 01:09:12.370
<v Ivan>lost at both levels, and it's been pretty much unanimous that there is, you know,

01:09:12.950 --> 01:09:19.230
<v Ivan>There is no, you know, the law does not support this administration doing this.

01:09:19.550 --> 01:09:22.770
<v Ivan>Okay, but take the legal, put the legal aside.

01:09:24.290 --> 01:09:31.530
<v Ivan>The entire construct of these tariffs and the capriciousness of them and how

01:09:31.530 --> 01:09:33.990
<v Ivan>they have changed and how they are,

01:09:34.430 --> 01:09:42.950
<v Ivan>you know, how they, they, they see, even when you think they're set, they keep changing.

01:09:43.330 --> 01:09:43.850
<v Sam>Right.

01:09:43.850 --> 01:09:48.190
<v Ivan>You know, because he'll wake up one day and say he wants to stick this country

01:09:48.190 --> 01:09:49.830
<v Ivan>with this, stick this country with that.

01:09:50.090 --> 01:09:52.790
<v Ivan>We're going to negotiate this. The fact that there are no treaties.

01:09:52.790 --> 01:09:57.190
<v Sam>I mean, there were some changes with what, was it Japan even this week?

01:09:57.730 --> 01:09:58.110
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:09:58.910 --> 01:10:02.030
<v Sam>There was some deal where things were. Yes.

01:10:02.370 --> 01:10:09.770
<v Ivan>There's constant changes. I mean, there's been negotiations going on with Canada and Mexico.

01:10:09.770 --> 01:10:14.890
<v Ivan>So the one thing is that Trump reeled, well, all these executives want certainty.

01:10:14.890 --> 01:10:20.390
<v Ivan>And I'm like, you bet your fucking ass they do, because if you're going to make

01:10:20.390 --> 01:10:26.090
<v Ivan>a decision to shift manufacturing from point A to point B at some point,

01:10:26.230 --> 01:10:30.490
<v Ivan>have to spend billions or billions of dollars on it.

01:10:31.030 --> 01:10:33.370
<v Ivan>You're not, first of all, doing

01:10:33.370 --> 01:10:40.990
<v Ivan>that investment takes years for you to get that manufacturing set up.

01:10:40.990 --> 01:10:46.930
<v Ivan>And you're not going to commit right now billions to do something that three

01:10:46.930 --> 01:10:52.810
<v Ivan>months from now you're going to fucking change again so basically anybody who's an investor just say.

01:10:54.990 --> 01:11:00.890
<v Ivan>I'm not going to invest in anything and the action that they're doing is right now first,

01:11:01.530 --> 01:11:05.930
<v Ivan>is that there's a whole bunch of pricing uncertainty and a whole bunch of companies

01:11:05.930 --> 01:11:10.290
<v Ivan>are a little bit leery of passing all the,

01:11:10.990 --> 01:11:15.430
<v Ivan>Prices increases to see through, simply because if later change your mind,

01:11:15.670 --> 01:11:18.470
<v Ivan>it goes back, then I just raise the prices, I'm going to lower them.

01:11:18.530 --> 01:11:19.450
<v Ivan>You don't want to be doing that.

01:11:19.710 --> 01:11:23.230
<v Ivan>You don't want to be changing prices back and forth the whole damn time, okay?

01:11:23.950 --> 01:11:28.790
<v Ivan>Because that's going to hurt people. But then you've got this whole,

01:11:28.990 --> 01:11:33.390
<v Ivan>there are going to be some looming shortages, okay?

01:11:33.970 --> 01:11:37.030
<v Ivan>One thing that I've heard right now is

01:11:37.030 --> 01:11:40.510
<v Ivan>that especially with European vehicles okay this

01:11:40.510 --> 01:11:43.370
<v Ivan>is the one where I've heard this specifically alright you

01:11:43.370 --> 01:11:46.310
<v Ivan>got you know ships take 30 days 60 days or

01:11:46.310 --> 01:11:49.170
<v Ivan>you know 30 days I think from Europe to make it

01:11:49.170 --> 01:11:53.670
<v Ivan>over here usually you know from the moment you float it on the ship went over

01:11:53.670 --> 01:11:57.350
<v Ivan>here offload it whatever okay and then quit custom all of a sudden you heard

01:11:57.350 --> 01:12:01.670
<v Ivan>that the courts wanted to invalidate the tariffs okay at 30 days I think you

01:12:01.670 --> 01:12:06.950
<v Ivan>just ship a ship usually will have a couple hundred million dollars worth of cars on.

01:12:07.820 --> 01:12:15.460
<v Ivan>A tariff's 25%. Hey, in 30 days, they make this go away. What would you do?

01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:19.080
<v Ivan>Would you pay the $50 million right now to offload them now,

01:12:19.260 --> 01:12:23.320
<v Ivan>extra $50 million, or would you dock the ship?

01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:27.880
<v Ivan>Throw anchor in the ship and say, listen guys, you stay out there until we figure

01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.260
<v Ivan>out what the fuck is going on. Yeah, hold off!

01:12:31.900 --> 01:12:37.500
<v Sam>As long as you can. If there's so much as a rumor that it's going to change,

01:12:38.320 --> 01:12:43.140
<v Sam>yeah i mean event you know eventually you're gonna have to land them you're

01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Sam>not gonna keep them there years but.

01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:48.320
<v Ivan>They're not gonna keep the years but they sure sell to stay there months and

01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:53.520
<v Ivan>here's the one thing the thing is that as a supply chain is supply chain is

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.040
<v Ivan>something that it's like you

01:12:57.040 --> 01:13:01.840
<v Ivan>get the effect of you ever seen these videos where they show the impact of

01:13:02.220 --> 01:13:06.160
<v Ivan>a slowdown in traffic and how it flows all the way back.

01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:07.220
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:13:07.360 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Ivan>You stop that ship for 30 days, that translates and bring it and bring it on the wave.

01:13:16.380 --> 01:13:21.740
<v Ivan>It's really, the disruptions have this ripple effect. Okay?

01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:26.820
<v Ivan>Because you're stopping this machinery that was designed for decades,

01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:31.520
<v Ivan>not just now, to be this machine that just,

01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.160
<v Ivan>you know picked up ship delivered on time you know

01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:37.860
<v Ivan>all of these items and all of a

01:13:37.860 --> 01:13:41.960
<v Ivan>sudden you're fucking putting it telling it to break and stop and break and

01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:47.280
<v Ivan>go and break oh we break break break oh no no accelerating it doesn't this thing

01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:53.720
<v Ivan>must not design for this okay so i mean that's one issue so you've got that

01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:56.520
<v Ivan>issue with suppliers it's not like.

01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:01.540
<v Sam>We don't even have recent examples of this. We had that We had COVID,

01:14:01.700 --> 01:14:04.680
<v Sam>and we had that time like the thing was stuck in the Suez Canal.

01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:05.860
<v Ivan>The Suez, yeah?

01:14:06.020 --> 01:14:06.180
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:13.160
<v Ivan>So, you know, so you've got a lot of companies that all of a sudden are like, what the hell?

01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:16.780
<v Ivan>We also had this buildup of inventories, okay?

01:14:17.420 --> 01:14:20.540
<v Ivan>Which people, what are they doing? They're right now playing a waiting game.

01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:25.300
<v Ivan>They're playing a waiting game, and if your profits are, and if your costs are

01:14:25.300 --> 01:14:27.740
<v Ivan>higher because you've got to buy certain things, your profits are going to be

01:14:27.740 --> 01:14:31.260
<v Ivan>squeezed you're going to start, you're not going to be invested.

01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:37.080
<v Ivan>You're going to start cutting. I shared a video that was like from a meeting

01:14:37.080 --> 01:14:41.640
<v Ivan>of farmers in Arkansas with congressmen and senators,

01:14:42.280 --> 01:14:47.060
<v Ivan>them explaining how the tariffs right now have completely dried up their export market.

01:14:48.160 --> 01:14:54.860
<v Ivan>For certain products. How, like, right now, especially for the soybean market, U.S.

01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:57.000
<v Ivan>Was one of the largest exporters of soybeans.

01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:04.260
<v Ivan>Soybean exporters are getting completely killed because China put these retaliatory tariffs on U.S.

01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:07.080
<v Ivan>Soybeans, so that market is completely dried up.

01:15:07.300 --> 01:15:10.340
<v Ivan>They're buying them now from Brazil. They're not buying them from us.

01:15:11.060 --> 01:15:14.460
<v Ivan>A whole bunch of farmers...

01:15:14.460 --> 01:15:15.020
<v Sam>They're complaining.

01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.260
<v Ivan>It's not just they're complaining. farmers are are

01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:22.820
<v Ivan>are getting killed financially and there's

01:15:22.820 --> 01:15:27.500
<v Ivan>a reason that basically yeah yeah and and many of them have said that basically

01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:31.040
<v Ivan>to some the only option they've got is to take out federal government handouts

01:15:31.040 --> 01:15:37.620
<v Ivan>so we've replaced right now we have killed a massive export of the united states

01:15:37.620 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Ivan>to be replaced by government handouts i mean what the fuck is well.

01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:47.420
<v Sam>And to be clear this is one of the complaints as well is apparently the big

01:15:47.420 --> 01:15:54.980
<v Sam>beautiful bill did include some support for farmers but that won't kick in till next year.

01:15:54.980 --> 01:15:55.940
<v Ivan>And so.

01:15:55.940 --> 01:15:59.020
<v Sam>There are a bunch of farmers who would be like that's going to be too late i'm

01:15:59.020 --> 01:16:00.080
<v Sam>not going to be able to make it.

01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:04.620
<v Ivan>Till yeah we're going to be bankrupt by then yeah but it's also some support

01:16:04.620 --> 01:16:08.740
<v Ivan>i mean we literally just you know there was an article in bloomberg basically

01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:14.100
<v Ivan>recently the headline was how trump has basically made it that the rest of the

01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:16.740
<v Ivan>world doesn't want to buy U.S. agricultural products.

01:16:17.980 --> 01:16:29.300
<v Sam>Right. Look, the whole tariff infrastructure is fundamentally hostile to trade.

01:16:30.120 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Sam>That's the bottom line.

01:16:33.660 --> 01:16:38.860
<v Sam>It's intentional. I mean, that's Trump's stated goal is he.

01:16:38.860 --> 01:16:44.780
<v Ivan>Thinks every time we American farming was one of the most efficient machines

01:16:44.780 --> 01:16:47.180
<v Ivan>out there and profitable.

01:16:47.780 --> 01:16:55.280
<v Ivan>We, you know, and so all of a sudden you've made it that we're more expensive than everybody else.

01:16:55.840 --> 01:17:02.320
<v Sam>I mean, Trump's ideal vision of the world is that every country is self-contained

01:17:02.320 --> 01:17:04.140
<v Sam>and doesn't trade at all.

01:17:04.540 --> 01:17:07.420
<v Sam>You know, and so.

01:17:07.420 --> 01:17:11.460
<v Ivan>Well, actually, no, Trump wants the mercantilist one. Trump wants,

01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:13.720
<v Ivan>he wants every equation to be a winner.

01:17:14.500 --> 01:17:18.760
<v Ivan>Mercantilism is that you export it as much and you import it as little as possible.

01:17:19.400 --> 01:17:23.360
<v Ivan>That was the basic philosophy, and that's the one that he wants.

01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:24.480
<v Sam>Yes.

01:17:25.080 --> 01:17:25.520
<v Ivan>Which is...

01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.840
<v Sam>Yeah, I was oversimplifying. He thinks exports are okay. Yes.

01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:31.980
<v Sam>But he wants no imports. He wants to be completely self-sufficient.

01:17:33.940 --> 01:17:35.380
<v Sam>But the thing is,

01:17:36.700 --> 01:17:39.700
<v Sam>doesn't work that way as you have

01:17:39.700 --> 01:17:42.640
<v Sam>just pointed out like if if you are

01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:45.640
<v Sam>hostile to the imports people are going to be hostile to your

01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.200
<v Sam>imports and then the exports dry up and

01:17:49.200 --> 01:17:54.320
<v Sam>and you know there's certain areas where you know we're at an advantage there's

01:17:54.320 --> 01:17:59.540
<v Sam>certain areas where we're not but all of this just works to shut things down

01:17:59.540 --> 01:18:06.240
<v Sam>and and and it's like all of the people who knew what the hell they were talking

01:18:06.240 --> 01:18:08.380
<v Sam>about, told you this was going to happen.

01:18:10.060 --> 01:18:16.700
<v Sam>But Donald Trump has his thing for tariffs. And just in general,

01:18:16.860 --> 01:18:20.080
<v Sam>even if you were stable about it,

01:18:20.360 --> 01:18:23.160
<v Sam>even if you just said, oh, okay, we're going to have high tariffs across the

01:18:23.160 --> 01:18:25.480
<v Sam>board, that's it, no negotiation, no changes, whatever.

01:18:25.700 --> 01:18:30.920
<v Sam>But add on top of that the instability and uncertainty that you've been talking

01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.600
<v Sam>about, then it just becomes harder and harder.

01:18:33.740 --> 01:18:36.920
<v Sam>Now, obviously, some countries sort of scrambled to like, hey,

01:18:37.060 --> 01:18:43.500
<v Sam>what can we give to make this 15% instead of 35% or whatever?

01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:47.420
<v Sam>And a few of them have made these deals.

01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.780
<v Sam>And in many cases.

01:18:50.980 --> 01:18:55.880
<v Ivan>As we've talked about here before- The problem is that those deals are not final. They're not treaty.

01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:58.940
<v Sam>They're all they're all handshakes they're they're

01:18:58.940 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Sam>all letters of intent we don't and most of

01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.480
<v Sam>the most of them deal right and most of

01:19:04.480 --> 01:19:07.380
<v Sam>them we've talked about before not only are they

01:19:07.380 --> 01:19:10.320
<v Sam>just letters of intent or verbal agreements or

01:19:10.320 --> 01:19:15.740
<v Sam>whatever but in many of the cases the countries have only conceded to things

01:19:15.740 --> 01:19:20.580
<v Sam>they were doing anyway yeah they're they're just saying like oh yeah we'll do

01:19:20.580 --> 01:19:25.760
<v Sam>this and are relying on the fact that Trump and his people either don't know

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.020
<v Sam>or don't care that that was the plan anyway.

01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:32.740
<v Ivan>And then, well, I think I'll give you an example of a plan.

01:19:33.200 --> 01:19:39.240
<v Ivan>Donald Trump was taking credit for the massive Hyundai manufacturing plant,

01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:41.620
<v Ivan>which the immigration rated this week.

01:19:42.040 --> 01:19:42.360
<v Sam>Right.

01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:48.160
<v Ivan>Which is a complex that when in full operation is going to employ 8,500 people.

01:19:48.740 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Ivan>So, you know, you take a multiplier effect, usually of jobs or something like that.

01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:57.160
<v Ivan>It's like minimum, minimum for such a large investment in factory,

01:19:57.440 --> 01:20:03.420
<v Ivan>minimum three times. usually way more, okay, for a factory of that size.

01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.180
<v Sam>Just to be clear, the multiplier you're talking about is, you know,

01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:09.880
<v Sam>there's the people employed by the factory itself, but then,

01:20:10.160 --> 01:20:13.980
<v Sam>okay, you need restaurants where they can eat lunch. You need a place.

01:20:13.980 --> 01:20:19.260
<v Ivan>Houses, restaurants, shopping for clothes, purchasing of supplies,

01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:26.420
<v Ivan>maintenance, you know, everything that goes around, all the inputs that go into the factory and the tax,

01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:32.540
<v Ivan>The taxes, the sales tax multiplier, I mean, it's just so much, okay?

01:20:32.980 --> 01:20:37.940
<v Ivan>You know, a factory with that kind of investment and that many jobs generates

01:20:37.940 --> 01:20:42.080
<v Ivan>such a crazy multiplier effect around it, okay?

01:20:42.240 --> 01:20:48.480
<v Ivan>From everything, okay? From the moment of the manufacturing to all the property

01:20:48.480 --> 01:20:50.840
<v Ivan>taxes to all, I mean, everything.

01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.520
<v Ivan>Even if you give them a waiver in property taxes Still, you know,

01:20:54.700 --> 01:20:56.740
<v Ivan>all those employees Have to get houses,

01:20:56.940 --> 01:21:01.560
<v Ivan>have to get fed Have to, you know, will shop for clothes Will buy everything

01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:08.280
<v Ivan>around there It is such a huge multiplier effect Okay, and these fuckers go

01:21:08.280 --> 01:21:09.880
<v Ivan>in there Because the thing is.

01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:16.480
<v Ivan>All of these are meant to be, they're for show.

01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:21.340
<v Ivan>Because if immigration had an issue with visas for a lot of people there,

01:21:21.460 --> 01:21:25.920
<v Ivan>they could have called the manager and said, hey, we've got these violations,

01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.780
<v Ivan>we need to discuss how these visas are being handed.

01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:35.220
<v Ivan>But no, what do they want to do? They want to show a force and they show up

01:21:35.220 --> 01:21:37.220
<v Ivan>and they arrest all these people.

01:21:38.360 --> 01:21:42.920
<v Ivan>Arrested hundreds of them, including a whole bunch of executives traveling on

01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:49.500
<v Ivan>business from Korea, as many of us do, when something is being manufactured

01:21:49.500 --> 01:21:50.180
<v Ivan>or something or whatever.

01:21:50.180 --> 01:21:53.840
<v Ivan>I remember when I used to go to HB's factory, say, in Mexico,

01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:58.060
<v Ivan>for example, and we would go and have discussions about inventory and stuff

01:21:58.060 --> 01:22:01.060
<v Ivan>and whatever we're talking about, how stuff is being stored.

01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:05.920
<v Ivan>All that kind of stuff, which is what usually somebody from headquarters goes

01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:08.120
<v Ivan>to do at the operation over there.

01:22:08.280 --> 01:22:10.960
<v Ivan>And, you know, when you're setting up a factory of that size,

01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:13.860
<v Ivan>you're going to need a lot of people from corporate to make sure it's being

01:22:13.860 --> 01:22:18.900
<v Ivan>executed the way that you had planned out for it to be executed, okay?

01:22:19.340 --> 01:22:24.060
<v Ivan>And so, but, you know, they were saying that some people maybe had been overstaying some visas.

01:22:24.240 --> 01:22:29.540
<v Ivan>This was, you know, this was something that somebody could have just shown up

01:22:29.540 --> 01:22:31.700
<v Ivan>and said, hey, we've got concerns about these people.

01:22:31.900 --> 01:22:36.160
<v Ivan>We need to discuss what the hell is going on here. Why are these people, these are,

01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:45.080
<v Ivan>are the most part just minor violations. But by the way, Americans incur on

01:22:45.080 --> 01:22:49.800
<v Ivan>a regular basis probably on some business trips and overseas assignments.

01:22:50.540 --> 01:22:50.700
<v Sam>Right.

01:22:51.160 --> 01:22:55.520
<v Ivan>Okay? And so my whole thing is you guys want to start this cycle where other

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:59.240
<v Ivan>countries are retaliating and it's just arresting like U.S.

01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:02.460
<v Ivan>Business travelers because of some minor bullshit violation.

01:23:03.140 --> 01:23:06.440
<v Ivan>Is this what we're doing? This is what we're fucking doing now.

01:23:07.300 --> 01:23:13.140
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, this is going to start a cycle that is just, you know, really dangerous.

01:23:13.340 --> 01:23:19.200
<v Ivan>But one thing that I think is why I brought this up in terms of,

01:23:19.400 --> 01:23:23.480
<v Ivan>and we're talking about what happened with jobs and investment,

01:23:23.900 --> 01:23:28.040
<v Ivan>is that Trump was trying to take credit for this plant, as I mentioned earlier.

01:23:28.040 --> 01:23:34.500
<v Ivan>This plant happened because of the Biden Inflation Reduction Act.

01:23:34.820 --> 01:23:38.420
<v Ivan>That's why this plant is occurring. It has nothing to do with fucking Trump.

01:23:38.900 --> 01:23:40.720
<v Ivan>This investment had started years.

01:23:41.200 --> 01:23:45.840
<v Ivan>The reality is that the President of Russia put incentives on electric cars.

01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:50.720
<v Ivan>This entire facility is dedicated on building electric cars.

01:23:50.900 --> 01:23:53.760
<v Ivan>They're building Ioniq 5s, Ioniq 6s.

01:23:54.780 --> 01:23:57.740
<v Ivan>They're building batteries. They're going to be selling batteries.

01:23:58.040 --> 01:24:02.260
<v Ivan>This whole thing is focused on everything related to in-phase production.

01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:07.060
<v Ivan>Not one fucking iota having to do with anything that Trump did.

01:24:07.240 --> 01:24:08.680
<v Ivan>Construction started years ago.

01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:12.480
<v Ivan>It's already producing cars. It had nothing to do with fucking Trump.

01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:16.740
<v Ivan>He started trying to take credit. You see, this is a white terror student bullshit.

01:24:16.980 --> 01:24:18.840
<v Ivan>No, no. Not one fucking thing.

01:24:20.220 --> 01:24:28.120
<v Ivan>But it highlights how long what I'm saying is how long it takes for somebody

01:24:28.120 --> 01:24:32.200
<v Ivan>to set a policy and for companies to invest in how it works.

01:24:32.300 --> 01:24:34.360
<v Ivan>And that's why the IRA, that's why the...

01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:44.980
<v Ivan>We're doing what the fuck Trump is saying, and Trump is going right now destroying those jobs.

01:24:45.440 --> 01:24:50.740
<v Ivan>He's literally going and destroying those jobs, which is why job derasure right

01:24:50.740 --> 01:24:53.540
<v Ivan>now isn't like shit, because he is destroying that.

01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:59.380
<v Ivan>He's destroying trade while not offering anything to replace it,

01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:02.080
<v Ivan>other than drill baby drill.

01:25:02.380 --> 01:25:08.660
<v Ivan>Oh, wait, and better. Hey, to the sectors that do the immigrant work,

01:25:08.820 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Ivan>because we're tired of most of these poor people is ripping away the people that they need.

01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:19.040
<v Ivan>So they don't have what is in this article from Bloomberg this week also,

01:25:19.340 --> 01:25:23.760
<v Ivan>that mass deportations are creating a workforce crisis because they are creating a workforce crisis.

01:25:24.200 --> 01:25:30.620
<v Ivan>Where the fuck we need jobs? OK, because, you know, with the number of deportations,

01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:34.780
<v Ivan>one of the things that is happening right now is that, you know,

01:25:35.380 --> 01:25:40.940
<v Ivan>we've got the shortage of farmers all of a sudden for the stuff that is like

01:25:40.940 --> 01:25:43.620
<v Ivan>fresh fruits, vegetable stuff.

01:25:43.780 --> 01:25:46.340
<v Ivan>That is the stuff that comes to our tables.

01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.820
<v Sam>Well, I was going to say that the immigration.

01:25:49.820 --> 01:25:54.800
<v Ivan>Crops are rotting. Yeah. California and Texas, crops are rotting in the fields

01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:57.180
<v Ivan>for a lack of workers to pick them.

01:25:57.480 --> 01:26:00.840
<v Ivan>So you're creating food.

01:26:01.220 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Ivan>Do you realize how fucking incompetent you have to be to create food inflation

01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:11.300
<v Ivan>at the same time as you're killing your agricultural exports?

01:26:11.660 --> 01:26:15.580
<v Ivan>It takes fucking skill to beat this fucking fucker.

01:26:16.350 --> 01:26:21.330
<v Sam>Well, and going back to Hyundai for a little bit and sort of detaining people

01:26:21.330 --> 01:26:25.470
<v Sam>who are here on business trips, like, if you're looking for foreign investment

01:26:25.470 --> 01:26:27.850
<v Sam>in the country, this is a great way to discourage that.

01:26:28.250 --> 01:26:28.310
<v Ivan>Too.

01:26:29.130 --> 01:26:30.570
<v Sam>You know, like...

01:26:30.570 --> 01:26:37.910
<v Ivan>Everything you were doing, raising up the fucking bullshit that you were saying!

01:26:38.550 --> 01:26:48.430
<v Sam>Yes it's all a a continuous theme of all of this stuff is i mean you've said this before,

01:26:50.070 --> 01:26:56.030
<v Sam>like if you take some of what they say they're trying to do at face value then

01:26:56.030 --> 01:27:01.470
<v Sam>they're still really stupid right in terms of like this is not a good way to

01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:03.910
<v Sam>achieve the things you say you're trying to achieve.

01:27:04.190 --> 01:27:04.590
<v Ivan>Nope.

01:27:05.050 --> 01:27:13.750
<v Sam>And you start thinking, well, then are they, is their actual goal actually just to destroy everything?

01:27:14.570 --> 01:27:20.850
<v Sam>Because, or are they really dumb enough to think that what they're doing will

01:27:20.850 --> 01:27:23.810
<v Sam>have these great positive effects and it doesn't?

01:27:24.010 --> 01:27:30.870
<v Ivan>No, I do think that Trump is stupid it or not to believe that what he's doing,

01:27:31.530 --> 01:27:37.130
<v Ivan>will somehow, because you know, we talked about that he's been able to in so

01:27:37.130 --> 01:27:41.510
<v Ivan>many cases force things to happen you know, regardless of anything,

01:27:41.690 --> 01:27:43.350
<v Ivan>to just bend reality to his will.

01:27:43.570 --> 01:27:46.710
<v Ivan>He thinks that somehow he's going to be able to bend his reality.

01:27:47.050 --> 01:27:51.930
<v Ivan>The reality is that you talk about, well, has he bent reality to his will?

01:27:52.050 --> 01:27:56.350
<v Ivan>Listen, for the most part, all he's done is survive.

01:27:56.890 --> 01:28:00.150
<v Ivan>All he's ever done. It's just about survival.

01:28:00.770 --> 01:28:07.150
<v Ivan>It's shuck jiving and getting attention to himself as a narcissist,

01:28:07.630 --> 01:28:10.990
<v Ivan>which everything that he does, does that.

01:28:11.430 --> 01:28:18.950
<v Ivan>And to have the attention and to be able to appear successful is more important than success itself.

01:28:19.250 --> 01:28:23.930
<v Ivan>So what does that mean? I will say that I'm going to create the greatest academy ever.

01:28:23.930 --> 01:28:29.190
<v Ivan>As long as he can tell this bullshit To his followers and they believe it He

01:28:29.190 --> 01:28:33.590
<v Ivan>doesn't care if it's real Because it's just like Oh I'm going to build the greatest

01:28:33.590 --> 01:28:35.590
<v Ivan>hotel ever Even though it's shit.

01:28:36.330 --> 01:28:43.730
<v Ivan>I'm going to make Oh my casinos and my golf courses are wonderful Whatever Even though they are Tappy,

01:28:43.870 --> 01:28:50.810
<v Ivan>crappy And lose money constantly Because he figures out Some way that somebody

01:28:50.810 --> 01:28:54.530
<v Ivan>bails him out Every time Somebody bailed him out,

01:28:54.670 --> 01:29:02.550
<v Ivan>man Every fucking time And his last biggest bailout Was fucking winning the presidency again.

01:29:03.770 --> 01:29:09.650
<v Ivan>Yes The voters bailed the motherfucker out Just since he was on the brink,

01:29:10.660 --> 01:29:14.140
<v Ivan>His father bailed him out. The banks bailed him out.

01:29:15.220 --> 01:29:20.660
<v Ivan>Banks repeatedly bailed him out. And then Republican voters came along and did it again.

01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:28.140
<v Sam>Okay. I want to lightning round through a few other things because for those

01:29:28.140 --> 01:29:33.380
<v Sam>of you not on the live stream, we just last another 10 minutes to technical

01:29:33.380 --> 01:29:34.660
<v Sam>difficulties. All on my end.

01:29:34.740 --> 01:29:37.580
<v Sam>I don't know what the hell is up with my computer. It keeps like crashing.

01:29:38.200 --> 01:29:43.520
<v Sam>Like, and nothing's different than it was, like, yesterday. I don't know.

01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:48.960
<v Sam>But anyway, so the Venezuelan boat that we blew up.

01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:54.260
<v Ivan>We committed a war crime, Sam. We went out.

01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.340
<v Ivan>It said a drunk boat. How do we know that was a drunk boat?

01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:03.180
<v Ivan>How do we know anything about that fucking boat? Listen, we just went out there.

01:30:03.320 --> 01:30:09.420
<v Ivan>Sorry. And even if it was, I mean, I'm sorry under the international rules of

01:30:09.420 --> 01:30:16.100
<v Ivan>maritime law, you just don't have the right to just go and blow up a boat for no reason whatsoever.

01:30:16.500 --> 01:30:20.060
<v Sam>You can intercept it. You can detain it. You can give it warnings.

01:30:20.660 --> 01:30:22.620
<v Sam>But no, you can't just blow it up.

01:30:24.660 --> 01:30:28.220
<v Sam>The administration says they have radio intercepts and all kinds of other stuff.

01:30:28.340 --> 01:30:29.820
<v Sam>But like you said, it doesn't matter.

01:30:30.200 --> 01:30:33.620
<v Ivan>It doesn't matter. It doesn't get the right to just shoot them out of the water.

01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:40.360
<v Sam>And apparently at the Pentagon, there were all kinds of discussions about like, this was not okay.

01:30:40.700 --> 01:30:44.160
<v Sam>This was a war crime. There was no justification.

01:30:44.420 --> 01:30:50.880
<v Sam>And then there was an after-the-fact scramble to try to come up with a legal

01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:52.160
<v Sam>justification for this.

01:30:52.160 --> 01:30:57.780
<v Sam>And the memo they put out, I think this was the notification to Congress they

01:30:57.780 --> 01:31:01.760
<v Sam>had to make, basically just said, we did it under the president's Article II powers.

01:31:02.220 --> 01:31:07.160
<v Sam>That's it. It didn't say anything else beyond that. Which is not—.

01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:10.420
<v Ivan>That doesn't negate that it's a war crime!

01:31:10.420 --> 01:31:14.280
<v Sam>Well, and it's not within the Article 2 powers, theoretically.

01:31:14.540 --> 01:31:18.180
<v Sam>I mean, the stance of this administration— The right.

01:31:18.180 --> 01:31:18.540
<v Ivan>To declare war?

01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:23.560
<v Sam>Well, the stance of this administration is basically that the president can

01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.220
<v Sam>do anything. That is their stated— Yeah.

01:31:26.320 --> 01:31:27.080
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, well, yeah.

01:31:27.280 --> 01:31:31.500
<v Sam>That is their stated opinion, is that there are absolutely no limits on presidential

01:31:31.500 --> 01:31:33.660
<v Sam>power. The president can do whatever the hell they want.

01:31:34.140 --> 01:31:38.960
<v Sam>And that's basically what they said in their justification for this. Now—,

01:31:39.870 --> 01:31:47.410
<v Sam>And here's our fundamental problem. Like, okay, let's say this was clearly illegal.

01:31:48.190 --> 01:31:49.990
<v Sam>Who's going to do something about it?

01:31:50.570 --> 01:31:52.830
<v Ivan>Not the Supreme Court, not Congress.

01:31:53.590 --> 01:32:01.150
<v Sam>Yeah, nobody. Let's bring them up in charges in the ICC? No.

01:32:01.650 --> 01:32:01.830
<v Ivan>Right.

01:32:02.230 --> 01:32:09.450
<v Sam>Nobody's going to pay attention to that either. You know, this is yet another—this

01:32:09.450 --> 01:32:12.210
<v Sam>is—the Trump administration,

01:32:12.690 --> 01:32:18.330
<v Sam>systematically, over the course of the presidency so far,

01:32:18.870 --> 01:32:27.530
<v Sam>has been taking more and more and more steps to just say, okay,

01:32:27.650 --> 01:32:30.390
<v Sam>we're going to do it. Who the fuck's going to stop us?

01:32:31.090 --> 01:32:33.990
<v Sam>Like their their fundamental mindset and we've

01:32:33.990 --> 01:32:36.810
<v Sam>talked about this before i talked about this a little last week as well but

01:32:36.810 --> 01:32:43.710
<v Sam>the the is that there is no conception whatsoever in this administration of

01:32:43.710 --> 01:32:51.170
<v Sam>oh let's check if this is legal or not and then we'll do it no it's we will do what we want.

01:32:51.170 --> 01:32:54.490
<v Ivan>And then try to justify it whatever way well or.

01:32:54.490 --> 01:32:58.170
<v Sam>Not even like then we'll see if somebody tries to stop us that.

01:32:58.170 --> 01:32:59.050
<v Ivan>That of.

01:32:59.050 --> 01:33:00.410
<v Sam>Course they'll take us to court.

01:33:00.410 --> 01:33:04.010
<v Ivan>Yeah and and okay yeah but

01:33:04.010 --> 01:33:06.910
<v Ivan>the courts are slow and and and in many cases the

01:33:06.910 --> 01:33:09.930
<v Ivan>courts of you know the supreme court is ruled on their side it goes

01:33:09.930 --> 01:33:13.590
<v Ivan>and reminds me of the issue that you know we didn't put in the in here but the

01:33:13.590 --> 01:33:16.770
<v Ivan>harvard decision that came this week and the one thing that that happened in

01:33:16.770 --> 01:33:21.250
<v Ivan>that the one thing that i forgot to so to point out was that in the decision

01:33:21.250 --> 01:33:27.690
<v Ivan>basically the the the judges went and and scolded the Supreme Court, okay, by the way,

01:33:28.350 --> 01:33:32.330
<v Ivan>and in which they said, you know, because you remember that they said recently

01:33:32.330 --> 01:33:35.990
<v Ivan>that the Supreme Court had written an opinion, something about lower court,

01:33:36.070 --> 01:33:38.570
<v Ivan>you know, defying our orders.

01:33:38.810 --> 01:33:42.630
<v Ivan>And they went, you know, this just ripped back and says, she acknowledged that,

01:33:42.850 --> 01:33:46.850
<v Ivan>quoting from this article from MSNBC, you know, still called so,

01:33:47.090 --> 01:33:51.870
<v Ivan>Judge and Harbour's case calls Justice Grisham's comments unhelpful and unnecessary.

01:33:52.290 --> 01:33:56.050
<v Ivan>She acknowledged that, like, lower court judges that justices are doing their

01:33:56.050 --> 01:33:57.770
<v Ivan>best to resolve complex issues quickly.

01:33:58.070 --> 01:34:01.970
<v Ivan>Given this, however, she wrote, it's unhelpful and unnecessary to criticize

01:34:01.970 --> 01:34:06.070
<v Ivan>this report for defying the Supreme Court when they are working to find the

01:34:06.070 --> 01:34:08.930
<v Ivan>right answer in a rapidly involving doctrinal landscape.

01:34:09.110 --> 01:34:12.810
<v Ivan>They must grapple with both the existing president and interim guidance from

01:34:12.810 --> 01:34:18.030
<v Ivan>the Supreme Court that appears to set that president aside without much explanation or consensus.

01:34:18.510 --> 01:34:19.030
<v Sam>Right.

01:34:19.210 --> 01:34:23.830
<v Ivan>Basically, you guys are wiping your ass with the doctrine that has ruled our

01:34:23.830 --> 01:34:28.790
<v Ivan>courts forever and then you guys are giving a shit because we can't follow it

01:34:28.790 --> 01:34:35.210
<v Ivan>when you guys just decide to fucking to say, oh, yeah, Trump did it. It's right.

01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:40.900
<v Ivan>And you're saying we need to follow you when you don't give us any fucking explanation. Why?

01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:45.020
<v Sam>Well, and Kavanaugh this week as well, I forget what forum he said this in,

01:34:45.100 --> 01:34:49.640
<v Sam>but he was quoted as saying, well, the reason we do a bunch of these things

01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:52.620
<v Sam>on the shadow docket without a lot of explanation,

01:34:53.240 --> 01:34:56.880
<v Sam>is we can't get five justices to agree on an explanation.

01:34:57.580 --> 01:35:03.600
<v Ivan>Then you fuckers shouldn't be doing it if you guys can't come to a consensus to explaining it.

01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:09.540
<v Ivan>Jesus fucking Christ, If that isn't the clearest signal of how fucked up whatever

01:35:09.540 --> 01:35:11.460
<v Ivan>you're deciding is, what is?

01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:16.320
<v Sam>Right. And so, yeah.

01:35:16.400 --> 01:35:22.220
<v Sam>And the problem with the Trump approach of do it and then see who stops us is

01:35:22.220 --> 01:35:27.960
<v Sam>that even when the courts do rule against them, like you said, it takes a long time.

01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:34.360
<v Sam>And they can change the facts on the ground in such a way that by the time the

01:35:34.360 --> 01:35:38.780
<v Sam>court finally gets around to giving a definitive answer and it goes through

01:35:38.780 --> 01:35:41.360
<v Sam>all the goddamn appeals and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:46.540
<v Sam>it doesn't matter anymore because the facts on the ground have already changed.

01:35:48.740 --> 01:35:50.700
<v Sam>And we'll see. Well, by the way.

01:35:50.940 --> 01:35:53.880
<v Ivan>This is a Kilmar Obrego, by the way, with all deporters in general,

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:55.200
<v Ivan>has not been deported yet.

01:35:55.540 --> 01:35:56.720
<v Sam>Not yet. Yeah, yeah.

01:35:57.300 --> 01:36:01.180
<v Ivan>They keep threatening it, but they haven't done it.

01:36:01.740 --> 01:36:05.440
<v Sam>Now, and there have been talks now of three different places that he could be

01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:09.060
<v Sam>going. And apparently his lawyers have—.

01:36:09.060 --> 01:36:12.400
<v Ivan>Here's the problem. They're all retaliatory. This is all just fucking like— No.

01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:17.440
<v Sam>They're all retaliatory. But also, apparently, the government has been trying

01:36:17.440 --> 01:36:23.900
<v Sam>to get him to admit to some of these things he's accused of.

01:36:23.900 --> 01:36:28.800
<v Sam>I've been guilty in exchange for a better place to be deported to.

01:36:29.220 --> 01:36:30.220
<v Ivan>Fuck you guys.

01:36:31.400 --> 01:36:32.660
<v Sam>You know, I mean.

01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.100
<v Ivan>It's such horseshit, you know.

01:36:35.220 --> 01:36:36.680
<v Sam>With, with these kinds of things,

01:36:36.860 --> 01:36:43.080
<v Sam>frankly, like it's, it's actually surprising to me that with, I mean,

01:36:43.420 --> 01:36:46.880
<v Sam>obviously this won't work for every case everywhere, but for some of these high

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:54.620
<v Sam>visibility cases, I'm surprised that some random nice country hasn't just come

01:36:54.620 --> 01:36:56.440
<v Sam>in and said, we'll give him asylum.

01:36:56.940 --> 01:36:59.440
<v Sam>Not only that, we'll give him asylum. We'll take care of him.

01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:01.160
<v Sam>Like, let's get this taken care of.

01:37:01.160 --> 01:37:05.340
<v Ivan>I believe he talks about that, but it hasn't happened yet. I mean, but yeah.

01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.140
<v Sam>And some rich guy says we'll bankroll you.

01:37:09.400 --> 01:37:11.900
<v Ivan>He's married to his mountain. He doesn't want to.

01:37:12.100 --> 01:37:13.760
<v Sam>I know he wants to stay here.

01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:14.800
<v Ivan>He wants to go home.

01:37:15.660 --> 01:37:16.640
<v Sam>I know he wants to go home.

01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:17.700
<v Ivan>He wants to go home.

01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:24.020
<v Sam>But, you know, you give the right billionaire says, look, we'll give you a nice

01:37:24.020 --> 01:37:25.520
<v Sam>salary. to go live in Spain.

01:37:26.020 --> 01:37:29.820
<v Ivan>Listen, you asked me about earlier about what would motivate me to move.

01:37:30.040 --> 01:37:34.440
<v Ivan>You know, the other day I was going around. I love where I live. I don't want to go.

01:37:34.980 --> 01:37:35.420
<v Sam>Right.

01:37:35.940 --> 01:37:41.220
<v Ivan>I don't want to go. My friends are here. My family is here.

01:37:41.400 --> 01:37:42.580
<v Ivan>Whatever the hell is here. But

01:37:42.580 --> 01:37:47.640
<v Ivan>I may be forced to go because there is no choice. But I don't want to go.

01:37:49.160 --> 01:37:54.040
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Back to the lightning round here. Trump is alive.

01:37:54.500 --> 01:37:57.660
<v Sam>Despite all the rumors. And he seems to...

01:37:57.660 --> 01:37:58.620
<v Ivan>But listen, listen, listen.

01:37:59.020 --> 01:37:59.260
<v Sam>Yes.

01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:03.200
<v Ivan>Trump must have been seriously hurt. Something had to happen.

01:38:03.500 --> 01:38:09.300
<v Ivan>There is no way he stayed out for that many days where all of a sudden he was

01:38:09.300 --> 01:38:13.560
<v Ivan>going to sleep early where all of a sudden people were sending out true social

01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:16.880
<v Ivan>messages on his behalf unless something happened.

01:38:17.280 --> 01:38:21.280
<v Ivan>Okay? And it's something that they wanted to make sure that nobody noticed.

01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:26.420
<v Sam>I think the most reasonable explanation that accounts for all of the various

01:38:26.420 --> 01:38:31.300
<v Sam>things that have been talked about is that he had some sort of medical procedure

01:38:31.300 --> 01:38:34.660
<v Sam>that was serious enough that he had to recover for it,

01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:38.960
<v Sam>but not so serious that he had to be like sent to Walter Reed for it.

01:38:39.060 --> 01:38:41.340
<v Sam>It was something that they could do at the White House.

01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.500
<v Ivan>Listen, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, know who it is.

01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:51.360
<v Ivan>It probably was serious enough to go to fucking the hospital.

01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:57.080
<v Ivan>But by doing so, That would have created even more rumors. So what do you probably

01:38:57.080 --> 01:38:59.160
<v Ivan>say? Fuck you. You guys are doing it here.

01:38:59.420 --> 01:39:04.180
<v Sam>Right. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. And look, like the White House,

01:39:04.500 --> 01:39:07.500
<v Sam>you know, has some medical facilities.

01:39:08.120 --> 01:39:13.520
<v Sam>Yeah. You know, it is set up so that it can be an emergency bunker and blah.

01:39:13.700 --> 01:39:18.020
<v Ivan>Blah, blah, blah. They needed, you know, in that case, you know.

01:39:18.970 --> 01:39:23.490
<v Ivan>Listen, he's built a, he wants to build a goddamn ballroom. He built a fucking,

01:39:23.870 --> 01:39:25.710
<v Ivan>you know, he cemented over the Rose Garden.

01:39:26.270 --> 01:39:27.690
<v Ivan>Listen, he did all of this shit,

01:39:27.690 --> 01:39:31.870
<v Ivan>I'm sure. But he probably had him build a fucking OR if he needed it.

01:39:31.890 --> 01:39:33.690
<v Sam>Oh, I'm sure there was already one.

01:39:34.110 --> 01:39:37.150
<v Ivan>No, but he probably, like, if they needed more shit, they probably brought it.

01:39:37.230 --> 01:39:38.450
<v Ivan>Bring it, whatever the fuck you need.

01:39:39.330 --> 01:39:43.890
<v Sam>Yeah, probably. I mean, like, but in the end, though, I think,

01:39:44.070 --> 01:39:49.310
<v Sam>you know, it was some sort of, I'm guessing. This is guess and speculation.

01:39:49.670 --> 01:39:54.650
<v Sam>There was some sort of medical procedure he had to do that sort of had him not

01:39:54.650 --> 01:39:57.370
<v Sam>in great shape for a few days while he recovered.

01:39:57.610 --> 01:40:01.250
<v Sam>He is clearly sort of back to normal at this point.

01:40:01.690 --> 01:40:05.330
<v Ivan>Now, there is one thing that we didn't mention. You know, so Trump's alive,

01:40:05.530 --> 01:40:07.770
<v Ivan>okay? All right? So, you know, hopefully he'll be dancing.

01:40:08.090 --> 01:40:12.490
<v Ivan>But anyway, but not right now. But, you know, aside from that,

01:40:12.610 --> 01:40:19.250
<v Ivan>another quick hit to mention related to these interventions in cities and so forth and so on.

01:40:19.350 --> 01:40:22.490
<v Ivan>And there's been a lot of threats and talk about Chicago or whatever.

01:40:22.750 --> 01:40:25.330
<v Ivan>And now that hasn't happened yet, because I do know, you know,

01:40:25.550 --> 01:40:29.810
<v Ivan>by the way, I saw some not so guarded, you know,

01:40:29.930 --> 01:40:33.470
<v Ivan>statements from Governor Pritzker that basically he said he was going to deploy

01:40:33.470 --> 01:40:37.890
<v Ivan>law enforcement to kind of like counter if they if they tried to like send in troops.

01:40:38.770 --> 01:40:42.130
<v Ivan>Okay basically to force almost a standoff which is

01:40:42.130 --> 01:40:44.970
<v Ivan>what i've been saying for months that they should do i'm like look

01:40:44.970 --> 01:40:48.050
<v Ivan>let's state state policists right now are almost as

01:40:48.050 --> 01:40:52.050
<v Ivan>militarized i'm not sure that even more militarized are a national guard hey

01:40:52.050 --> 01:40:56.370
<v Ivan>you know what tell them hey they're in violation of the law if they do if they

01:40:56.370 --> 01:41:01.110
<v Ivan>move in and they do something illegal arrest fuck that shit blockade them you

01:41:01.110 --> 01:41:05.690
<v Ivan>got more of them anyway they're gonna send you know a few hundred you know, cartoon crayons.

01:41:05.870 --> 01:41:07.910
<v Ivan>We'll deploy a thousand state police. What's wrong with you guys?

01:41:08.010 --> 01:41:10.070
<v Ivan>See what the fuck you guys do. What are you going to do?

01:41:10.830 --> 01:41:13.170
<v Sam>We'll see. I mean, it will be...

01:41:13.170 --> 01:41:15.250
<v Ivan>But right now, they haven't done anything. Okay, but...

01:41:15.250 --> 01:41:18.670
<v Sam>Nothing's done yet. But Trump has been posting about it again today.

01:41:19.270 --> 01:41:22.190
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what? Like, right now, that's been like...

01:41:22.190 --> 01:41:26.530
<v Ivan>It almost sounds like his... Right now, he's starting to sound like his tradies. Okay? All right.

01:41:26.630 --> 01:41:30.110
<v Sam>Well, at one point in the last couple days, he even said, well,

01:41:30.270 --> 01:41:33.070
<v Sam>we've been talking about Chicago, but maybe we'll do New Orleans instead.

01:41:33.310 --> 01:41:35.490
<v Ivan>Now you're going to go to... Exactly. It sounded like a trade deal.

01:41:35.610 --> 01:41:37.750
<v Ivan>But anyway, aside from that, the one thing that's been happening,

01:41:37.970 --> 01:41:43.390
<v Ivan>you know, you know, ICE enforcement, you know, is far more arbitrary than arresting

01:41:43.390 --> 01:41:46.490
<v Ivan>people sending them to the police. I don't know if you've noticed.

01:41:47.050 --> 01:41:47.370
<v Sam>But...

01:41:47.370 --> 01:41:51.490
<v Ivan>Wait, wait, wait. That's not the point. The point is that right now,

01:41:51.670 --> 01:41:54.530
<v Ivan>in D.C., you know, they've done this takeover, whatever, and they've been trying

01:41:54.530 --> 01:41:56.150
<v Ivan>to send people to criminal charges.

01:41:56.690 --> 01:41:59.930
<v Ivan>Well, guess what? The grand jury's... Which, by the way, as somebody said,

01:41:59.930 --> 01:42:02.710
<v Ivan>a grand jury usually will fucking, and like even indict a ham sandwich.

01:42:03.090 --> 01:42:03.730
<v Sam>Okay? Yes.

01:42:04.150 --> 01:42:08.330
<v Ivan>They've been rejecting all the fucking indictments. They've been like, just fuck all of you.

01:42:08.530 --> 01:42:12.650
<v Ivan>You know, so in numbers you've never seen ever.

01:42:13.330 --> 01:42:18.050
<v Ivan>The graduates are saying, all of them are saying, this is not a criminal case, fuck you.

01:42:18.780 --> 01:42:22.700
<v Ivan>So they're having this issue where, yes, on that side of the equation,

01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:26.760
<v Ivan>they can go like whatever, but they keep trying to like force criminal charges

01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:29.620
<v Ivan>and a whole bunch of stuff and all grand juries are just all no billing.

01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:37.300
<v Sam>Yeah. There have been like six of them so far, and that's really unheard of for this kind of stuff.

01:42:37.300 --> 01:42:38.960
<v Ivan>That's unprecedented. Okay. All right.

01:42:39.140 --> 01:42:42.340
<v Sam>Yes. but like you said like what

01:42:42.340 --> 01:42:45.820
<v Sam>there is they're making the show out

01:42:45.820 --> 01:42:50.940
<v Sam>of the dealing with criminals but the actual effect of almost all of these actions

01:42:50.940 --> 01:42:56.160
<v Sam>has been almost all the immigration side almost all like grabbing people for

01:42:56.160 --> 01:43:03.700
<v Sam>not having their papers and and sending them off to these detention camps or whatever,

01:43:06.120 --> 01:43:13.240
<v Sam>it's still I mentioned last week one of the problems here is it's becoming they're

01:43:13.240 --> 01:43:20.800
<v Sam>doing so much of it so consistently that people are starting to become numb to it you know and oh yeah.

01:43:21.440 --> 01:43:24.340
<v Ivan>Listen that's what happens in dictatorial society it's like.

01:43:24.340 --> 01:43:24.600
<v Sam>You know.

01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:31.720
<v Ivan>But people well but people become numb in the sense also that they stop being

01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.560
<v Ivan>intimidated by it, too, in the other way.

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:37.300
<v Ivan>Okay? They just don't give a shit anymore. Okay? The people are trying to intimidate at some point.

01:43:37.580 --> 01:43:40.040
<v Ivan>I mean, intimidation only works at a certain point. At one point,

01:43:40.140 --> 01:43:42.000
<v Ivan>you're just like, oh, fucking whatever. You know?

01:43:42.540 --> 01:43:49.660
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, how much intimidation can you shove down somebody's throat?

01:43:51.380 --> 01:43:56.300
<v Ivan>It just is what it is, you know, it's just at some point that that now,

01:43:56.460 --> 01:44:00.660
<v Ivan>of course, the one thing that they keep trying to do is trying to amp it up every time.

01:44:01.120 --> 01:44:06.480
<v Sam>OK, well, it almost feels like they they've been hoping at every turn that at

01:44:06.480 --> 01:44:07.800
<v Sam>some point this turns violent.

01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:11.180
<v Sam>At some point, the peaceful protests turn violent. At some point,

01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:16.440
<v Sam>somebody this becomes an all out shooting thing, you know, where somebody is

01:44:16.440 --> 01:44:20.640
<v Sam>resisting and blah, blah, blah, because they want to like escalate further.

01:44:21.340 --> 01:44:25.120
<v Sam>It hasn't happened so far, which I think is actually a good thing,

01:44:25.320 --> 01:44:32.220
<v Sam>but it almost seems like the administration is just looking for the excuse to

01:44:32.220 --> 01:44:37.080
<v Sam>escalate whereby they can, you know, make this even worse.

01:44:37.440 --> 01:44:38.880
<v Ivan>And so far they feel.

01:44:39.100 --> 01:44:43.440
<v Sam>And so far they feel. Okay, next lightning round.

01:44:43.780 --> 01:44:50.840
<v Ivan>How did RFK Jr. do in Congress? A lot of truth You know, told You know,

01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:55.180
<v Ivan>he was You know, used science And all that stuff,

01:44:56.160 --> 01:45:01.600
<v Ivan>Obviously not We got a fucking heroin addict In charge of health and human services

01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:03.520
<v Ivan>That doesn't know anything about anything,

01:45:03.700 --> 01:45:08.900
<v Ivan>Sam He has no clue about nothing Everything is just some kind of Conjecture

01:45:08.900 --> 01:45:15.680
<v Ivan>and bullshit That he pulls out of his ass Whenever it suits him Now autism is caused by Tylenol.

01:45:16.340 --> 01:45:21.540
<v Sam>So on the Tylenol thing, just to be clear, there was a paper last year and a

01:45:21.540 --> 01:45:27.920
<v Sam>new one last month that does talk about a correlation, but I've listened to

01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:30.680
<v Sam>a few people sort of go through, like,

01:45:31.140 --> 01:45:33.420
<v Sam>why this isn't what people think it is.

01:45:33.420 --> 01:45:40.040
<v Sam>So there is apparently a minor correlation between Tylenol use in pregnant women and autism in the kids.

01:45:40.540 --> 01:45:48.400
<v Sam>But there are dozens and dozens of confounding factors that are not accounted for in this study.

01:45:49.340 --> 01:45:53.740
<v Sam>There's a question here at the most fundamental level.

01:45:55.230 --> 01:46:00.190
<v Sam>Is it the Tylenol they took or is it whatever symptoms they were having that

01:46:00.190 --> 01:46:01.770
<v Sam>caused them to take the Tylenol?

01:46:01.850 --> 01:46:02.750
<v Ivan>Take the Tylenol.

01:46:02.950 --> 01:46:08.210
<v Sam>You know, like they had a fever and they took a Tylenol. Maybe that has something to do with it.

01:46:08.410 --> 01:46:11.730
<v Sam>There are all kinds of confounding factors. There are all kinds of reasons.

01:46:12.030 --> 01:46:17.910
<v Ivan>It's just the whole thing. You use the keyword that always got caught on in

01:46:17.910 --> 01:46:21.070
<v Ivan>statistics that is the bane of our existence.

01:46:21.510 --> 01:46:27.850
<v Ivan>For most human beings that don't understand, correlation. Because correlation is not causation.

01:46:28.110 --> 01:46:34.370
<v Ivan>It's the first fucking thing you get taught in damn fucking statistics.

01:46:34.830 --> 01:46:35.370
<v Sam>Right.

01:46:35.550 --> 01:46:40.610
<v Ivan>And just because there is some fucking correlation, it doesn't mean most of

01:46:40.610 --> 01:46:43.070
<v Ivan>the time what the fuck you think it means.

01:46:43.070 --> 01:46:47.830
<v Sam>Yeah and look as i've listened to some of the people talking about this they're

01:46:47.830 --> 01:46:55.310
<v Sam>like at the very most what has been here so far is like okay maybe we could

01:46:55.310 --> 01:46:57.330
<v Sam>study a little bit more along this Tylenol.

01:46:57.330 --> 01:47:01.550
<v Ivan>Direction hey sam do you know that but for the most part but for the most part.

01:47:01.550 --> 01:47:06.110
<v Sam>It was it's like there has not been any causal relationship found.

01:47:06.110 --> 01:47:08.730
<v Ivan>There's no mechanism let me tell you

01:47:08.730 --> 01:47:12.530
<v Ivan>something i saw a study i think i think there's a study probably there is one

01:47:12.530 --> 01:47:17.130
<v Ivan>somewhere that found that as temperatures get really hot and people drink a

01:47:17.130 --> 01:47:21.710
<v Ivan>lot more water okay yes that apparently there's a correlation with how much

01:47:21.710 --> 01:47:26.330
<v Ivan>what water they're drinking and heat stroke so water.

01:47:26.330 --> 01:47:27.330
<v Sam>Causes heat stroke.

01:47:27.330 --> 01:47:31.770
<v Ivan>It must be the water it's causing the heat stroke i mean they're drinking all

01:47:31.770 --> 01:47:36.370
<v Ivan>that fucking water and all of a sudden they're they're getting heat stroke? Sam, what the fuck?

01:47:36.950 --> 01:47:42.910
<v Sam>But, yes. And look, there are so many problems with how RFK approaches all these

01:47:42.910 --> 01:47:45.910
<v Sam>things, it's hard to even start. Listen, there's so many problems.

01:47:46.110 --> 01:47:49.690
<v Ivan>There's no many problems. No, there's a basic problem. He doesn't believe in science.

01:47:51.010 --> 01:47:51.450
<v Sam>Yes.

01:47:51.690 --> 01:47:52.010
<v Ivan>That's it.

01:47:52.770 --> 01:47:57.910
<v Sam>And also, I will add to that something aligned with what you said earlier.

01:47:58.250 --> 01:48:00.110
<v Sam>He's a eugenicist as well.

01:48:00.830 --> 01:48:01.110
<v Ivan>Right.

01:48:01.250 --> 01:48:08.230
<v Sam>He doesn't believe in science, but also, very much so, he believes in survival of the fittest.

01:48:08.250 --> 01:48:10.370
<v Sam>And if you have some problem, you should die.

01:48:10.890 --> 01:48:17.250
<v Sam>And like you were saying earlier, he doesn't believe that—the whole thing with

01:48:17.250 --> 01:48:24.270
<v Sam>this autism thing, it's all couched in, like oh this is a massive tragedy that like.

01:48:24.270 --> 01:48:26.490
<v Ivan>This is horrible this yes the.

01:48:26.490 --> 01:48:29.570
<v Sam>These people have been ruined in some way and.

01:48:29.570 --> 01:48:30.730
<v Ivan>Yeah you.

01:48:30.730 --> 01:48:32.690
<v Sam>Know and no no.

01:48:32.690 --> 01:48:33.790
<v Ivan>Yeah not.

01:48:33.790 --> 01:48:35.230
<v Sam>At all you know.

01:48:35.230 --> 01:48:39.630
<v Ivan>And i gotta be honest if his style of eugenics causes us to create people like

01:48:39.630 --> 01:48:45.510
<v Ivan>him fuck this shit man because you know he is a walking talking example of how

01:48:45.510 --> 01:48:50.270
<v Ivan>if you tell me about if i want to design eugenics I sure as hell don't want

01:48:50.270 --> 01:48:53.430
<v Ivan>him to come out looking like fucking RFK Jr., I'll tell you that.

01:48:54.350 --> 01:48:58.930
<v Sam>Well, yeah, I mean, fundamentally, if you look at problems that you don't want

01:48:58.930 --> 01:49:00.590
<v Sam>in a population, he's full of them.

01:49:00.950 --> 01:49:05.010
<v Ivan>He's full of them! If you're going to play, you said it. The first motherfucker

01:49:05.010 --> 01:49:07.810
<v Ivan>we should have eliminated is you, you stupid...

01:49:07.810 --> 01:49:14.750
<v Sam>But yeah, like, he doesn't understand the science, and he's fundamentally coming

01:49:14.750 --> 01:49:19.090
<v Sam>from a viewpoint that devalues life in the first place.

01:49:19.550 --> 01:49:19.650
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:49:19.990 --> 01:49:27.370
<v Sam>And, yeah. And the thing is that was interesting about these hearings were the

01:49:27.370 --> 01:49:31.290
<v Sam>Republicans were going after him too. It wasn't just the Democrats.

01:49:32.450 --> 01:49:37.790
<v Ivan>And, you know, the layup that the Republicans have in order to show that they

01:49:37.790 --> 01:49:46.190
<v Ivan>have even one little look on the fucking spine is to fucking go and, damn it, you know,

01:49:47.090 --> 01:49:51.270
<v Ivan>we call it, oh, God, impeach this son of a bitch.

01:49:51.730 --> 01:49:55.210
<v Sam>Well, in the United States.

01:49:55.530 --> 01:50:01.890
<v Ivan>80% of Americans, 80% of Americans still believe in vaccinations.

01:50:02.490 --> 01:50:05.170
<v Ivan>8-0, okay? All right.

01:50:05.970 --> 01:50:09.950
<v Sam>Now, unfortunately, a lot of them really need to be 90-plus in order to be as

01:50:09.950 --> 01:50:11.850
<v Sam>effective as they could be. But yes, yes, still.

01:50:12.250 --> 01:50:14.190
<v Ivan>But with all the horseshit.

01:50:14.430 --> 01:50:15.390
<v Sam>I know, I know.

01:50:16.370 --> 01:50:21.770
<v Ivan>Even still, over 60% of Republicans support vaccinations, even if they say maybe

01:50:21.770 --> 01:50:24.630
<v Ivan>the COVID one. No, the rest, they do.

01:50:24.870 --> 01:50:28.150
<v Ivan>They don't want polio. They don't want measles.

01:50:28.590 --> 01:50:30.770
<v Ivan>They don't want most of this shit.

01:50:31.350 --> 01:50:35.770
<v Sam>You know, I saw someone, this is social media, so who knows,

01:50:35.850 --> 01:50:39.010
<v Sam>it was probably made up, but someone saying that they were talking to someone

01:50:39.010 --> 01:50:46.230
<v Sam>who was explaining why they didn't trust vaccinations and why they didn't get their kid vaccinated.

01:50:46.470 --> 01:50:49.830
<v Sam>And they're like, you know, half the diseases they want me to vaccinate the

01:50:49.830 --> 01:50:51.450
<v Sam>kid for, I've never even heard of.

01:50:51.970 --> 01:50:52.250
<v Ivan>Right.

01:50:52.610 --> 01:50:56.170
<v Sam>And it's like, there's a reason you haven't heard of these diseases.

01:50:56.170 --> 01:50:56.490
<v Ivan>There's a reason, you asshole.

01:50:57.740 --> 01:51:01.260
<v Ivan>There's a whole damn reason why, you stupid shit.

01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:06.800
<v Sam>Yeah. And, you know, part of what was going on in this hearing was he was like,

01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:11.940
<v Sam>oh, I'm not, anybody can still get their vaccinations. I'm not denying anybody anything.

01:51:12.040 --> 01:51:15.540
<v Ivan>Oh, he's caused, he's making it more difficult.

01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.100
<v Ivan>He's causing insurance companies that can find a way to deny them.

01:51:19.200 --> 01:51:21.740
<v Ivan>He's forcing people to go and have to get prescription.

01:51:22.280 --> 01:51:26.700
<v Ivan>I'm sorry, the vaccination. This is bullshit. He is, no, no, no.

01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:33.740
<v Sam>And what I was saying is even short of impeachment, if if the Republicans could

01:51:33.740 --> 01:51:38.380
<v Sam>apply pressure right to I mean, Donald Trump, Donald Trump.

01:51:38.380 --> 01:51:43.040
<v Ivan>That's the reason why he got off and fired a CDC lady, because Bill Cassidy

01:51:43.040 --> 01:51:47.380
<v Ivan>called him and fucking like laid him a new one over the shit that he was trying to do.

01:51:47.380 --> 01:51:52.420
<v Ivan>And that's the reason why they wound up firing her so they have been already

01:51:52.420 --> 01:51:53.980
<v Ivan>at this point because it's fortunate.

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:57.680
<v Ivan>But by the way, those motherfucking Republicans, you know what the thing is?

01:51:58.180 --> 01:52:00.080
<v Ivan>They voted to confirm that bastard.

01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:02.840
<v Ivan>Who's not even a fucking real Republican anyway.

01:52:04.080 --> 01:52:09.400
<v Sam>And look, part of it is like, yeah, especially these two doctors who,

01:52:09.620 --> 01:52:13.460
<v Sam>you know, Republican doctors are like, well, he promised us. Oh, come on.

01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:19.460
<v Ivan>You fucking idiot. I mean, what kind of fucking, I mean, yeah,

01:52:19.580 --> 01:52:20.660
<v Ivan>keep talking that to yourself.

01:52:21.380 --> 01:52:26.180
<v Sam>Here's the thing with Donald Trump. He has shown in the past that if somebody

01:52:26.180 --> 01:52:29.680
<v Sam>is embarrassing him and making him look bad, he will fire them.

01:52:30.240 --> 01:52:37.680
<v Sam>So the question is, can this be constructed in such a way that RFK Jr.

01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:42.700
<v Sam>Becomes just an out-and-out embarrassment to Donald Trump among his own base?

01:52:42.700 --> 01:52:49.800
<v Ivan>I sure, that's what we need. You know what we need? We need to get Laura Loomer on board.

01:52:50.240 --> 01:52:55.940
<v Sam>There you go. Okay. One more. One more. The Epstein victims coming out and speaking

01:52:55.940 --> 01:52:59.480
<v Sam>and talking about things. Look, the—,

01:53:00.710 --> 01:53:03.770
<v Sam>This has not gone away yet as much as Trump wanted.

01:53:04.510 --> 01:53:08.630
<v Sam>We do not have the file. Well, some have been released, but the some that were

01:53:08.630 --> 01:53:10.870
<v Sam>released were almost all in the public domain anyway.

01:53:11.570 --> 01:53:17.470
<v Ivan>Yeah, they released the shit that we already have. They did what our trade partners do to us.

01:53:18.170 --> 01:53:19.950
<v Ivan>They gave us the shit that we already had.

01:53:20.530 --> 01:53:24.670
<v Sam>Now, supposedly, there's still more coming, et cetera, et cetera, but look,

01:53:25.750 --> 01:53:30.470
<v Sam>there's this been, the whole thing on Congress trying to vote, there's this,

01:53:30.710 --> 01:53:36.270
<v Sam>discharge petition where the Democrats plus a handful of Republicans,

01:53:36.490 --> 01:53:42.170
<v Sam>including like Marjorie Taylor Greene, for God's sake, and a few others who

01:53:42.170 --> 01:53:47.670
<v Sam>are to push this resolution to demand a full disclosure.

01:53:47.970 --> 01:53:52.290
<v Sam>Now, I want to state right out front, like people have been talking about this

01:53:52.290 --> 01:53:59.510
<v Sam>discharge petition, like even if this thing passed, it would have force of law.

01:53:59.690 --> 01:54:03.830
<v Sam>No, this is just a resolution asking the administration to do something.

01:54:03.990 --> 01:54:06.870
<v Sam>So even if they pass it, he can still ignore it.

01:54:07.870 --> 01:54:13.070
<v Sam>But it's still significant that you've got, they haven't got enough Republicans yet.

01:54:13.230 --> 01:54:16.870
<v Sam>They've got like three or four Republicans on board and they need like four

01:54:16.870 --> 01:54:17.930
<v Sam>more or something like that.

01:54:17.990 --> 01:54:22.750
<v Sam>I forget the exact numbers, but they need a few more in order to pass this thing out of the house.

01:54:22.750 --> 01:54:29.250
<v Ivan>And hey sam sam but yes but but but speaker johnson ah yes i.

01:54:29.250 --> 01:54:30.650
<v Sam>Was gonna bring this up next yes.

01:54:30.650 --> 01:54:40.790
<v Ivan>That trump was the incited yes he was the informant he he was in there trying

01:54:40.790 --> 01:54:47.310
<v Ivan>to bring truth and justice to everybody that's that's why he was friends of epstein well.

01:54:47.310 --> 01:54:54.110
<v Sam>This is actually interesting. Like, people immediately pointed out,

01:54:55.330 --> 01:55:02.850
<v Sam>This thing is not a get out of jail free card, because if, in fact,

01:55:02.950 --> 01:55:06.070
<v Sam>he was an FBI informant, it means he knew something.

01:55:06.350 --> 01:55:09.570
<v Sam>If he knew something, he was probably involved.

01:55:10.170 --> 01:55:14.730
<v Sam>Like the whole thing, they typically when you offer an informant status.

01:55:14.890 --> 01:55:18.390
<v Sam>And by the way, there have been rumors about Trump being an informant for other

01:55:18.390 --> 01:55:20.990
<v Sam>things going back decades and decades as well.

01:55:21.610 --> 01:55:25.230
<v Sam>Like, you know, but, you know.

01:55:26.870 --> 01:55:32.050
<v Sam>Basically, like, did the FBI catch Donald Trump doing something and then offered

01:55:32.050 --> 01:55:34.350
<v Sam>him a deal to roll up on Epstein instead?

01:55:34.590 --> 01:55:38.930
<v Sam>Who knows? We don't know. This is speculation out of a single comment from Johnson,

01:55:38.930 --> 01:55:42.450
<v Sam>but basically saying that Trump, don't worry about all this.

01:55:42.550 --> 01:55:51.890
<v Sam>Trump told me he was an FBI informant, which, like, I don't know that he was supposed to say that.

01:55:52.350 --> 01:55:56.890
<v Sam>Who knows? And meanwhile, wow, the victims themselves have said they're going

01:55:56.890 --> 01:55:58.370
<v Sam>to compile their own list.

01:55:59.550 --> 01:56:02.210
<v Sam>And people have asked, well, why haven't they named names to begin with?

01:56:02.310 --> 01:56:10.870
<v Sam>It's because if they come out independent, they could be sued out of existence.

01:56:11.090 --> 01:56:17.590
<v Sam>They're talking about rich, famous, influential people that potentially they could name.

01:56:17.830 --> 01:56:18.190
<v Ivan>It's not that simple.

01:56:18.410 --> 01:56:21.010
<v Sam>And if they just came out and said, oh yeah, they raped me,

01:56:21.860 --> 01:56:26.460
<v Sam>without having the level of evidence required to actually bring a criminal case.

01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:34.480
<v Sam>And remember, like, that sweetheart deal in Florida from decades ago potentially

01:56:34.480 --> 01:56:37.640
<v Sam>said they weren't going after any of these co-conspirators.

01:56:38.500 --> 01:56:41.580
<v Sam>So there are all kinds of things here. So,

01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:46.000
<v Sam>but they're talking about giving the list to the Congress people and,

01:56:46.120 --> 01:56:50.160
<v Sam>like, Marjorie Taylor Greene and these others are like, I'll read them on the floor, you know,

01:56:50.220 --> 01:56:54.940
<v Sam>because then they have speech and debate immunity and

01:56:54.940 --> 01:56:57.920
<v Sam>they can give that but some of

01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.660
<v Sam>them have have said specifically though no one's accusing you

01:57:00.660 --> 01:57:04.840
<v Sam>donald trump why don't you just out put this out but i don't know all of these

01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:10.880
<v Sam>other things coming together at the very least even if donald trump wasn't involved

01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:14.680
<v Sam>directly and i think we've had all kinds of anecdotal stuff about him liking

01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:18.360
<v Sam>underage kids himself over the years,

01:57:18.620 --> 01:57:26.460
<v Sam>even if he wasn't like guilty of that, it certainly seems like he was one of the facilitators.

01:57:26.680 --> 01:57:30.460
<v Sam>And, and this is, or at least knew something. And that's one of the things when

01:57:30.460 --> 01:57:35.960
<v Sam>you listen to the victims talk this week, which they haven't really talked as much when,

01:57:36.100 --> 01:57:41.300
<v Sam>when they are asked what they want out of the files, it's something very different

01:57:41.300 --> 01:57:42.520
<v Sam>than what you hear otherwise.

01:57:42.820 --> 01:57:46.000
<v Sam>Like everywhere else you're hearing, we want more of the men.

01:57:46.180 --> 01:57:50.740
<v Sam>Like we want the rich, famous people who are probably also raping children. Right.

01:57:51.080 --> 01:57:54.580
<v Sam>But when you listen to the victims, what they're, they're at,

01:57:54.740 --> 01:57:58.880
<v Sam>we want to know the story behind the sweetheart deal in Florida.

01:57:59.320 --> 01:58:04.640
<v Sam>Why did he get that deal? Who are the people who helped him there?

01:58:04.700 --> 01:58:08.520
<v Sam>They seem to concentrate mostly on, yeah, the main perpetrators were,

01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:12.220
<v Sam>you know, Maxwell and Epstein.

01:58:14.140 --> 01:58:15.560
<v Sam>Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein.

01:58:15.580 --> 01:58:16.820
<v Ivan>Yeah, Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein, yeah.

01:58:17.140 --> 01:58:17.440
<v Sam>But,

01:58:18.170 --> 01:58:21.910
<v Sam>But there are lots of people who helped them get away with it.

01:58:22.090 --> 01:58:24.630
<v Sam>Those are the people that I want to hear about.

01:58:24.930 --> 01:58:31.870
<v Sam>And so the victims talked less about other people who were committing abuse

01:58:31.870 --> 01:58:37.730
<v Sam>themselves as to apparently circles of people who were enabling this behavior.

01:58:37.950 --> 01:58:41.350
<v Sam>Now, there probably were other people actually participating as well.

01:58:41.450 --> 01:58:42.750
<v Sam>We know about Prince Andrew.

01:58:43.170 --> 01:58:48.050
<v Sam>Some other names have been out there. So who knows? but like it's the point

01:58:48.050 --> 01:58:50.550
<v Sam>is it's not going away okay all.

01:58:50.550 --> 01:58:51.510
<v Ivan>Right we gotta wrap this up.

01:58:51.510 --> 01:58:55.490
<v Sam>We gotta wrap this up because we had yet another crash of my computer i don't

01:58:55.490 --> 01:58:59.710
<v Sam>know what the hell is going on with that plus yvonne's been on the wrong microphone

01:58:59.710 --> 01:59:03.770
<v Sam>this whole time so he sounded like crap you know and and i gotta take my wife

01:59:03.770 --> 01:59:07.410
<v Sam>to the airport although she says she's not actually ready yet so oh.

01:59:07.410 --> 01:59:08.450
<v Ivan>Okay well that's good.

01:59:08.450 --> 01:59:12.110
<v Sam>So so instead we're like we'll try to get her ready and then and see if we even

01:59:12.110 --> 01:59:16.370
<v Sam>get to our plane on time. You know, so better stuff. Okay.

01:59:19.550 --> 01:59:23.610
<v Sam>Thank you for being here. You know the deal. Curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:59:23.770 --> 01:59:26.630
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01:59:26.910 --> 01:59:30.430
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01:59:30.430 --> 01:59:32.710
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01:59:32.710 --> 01:59:36.650
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01:59:36.790 --> 01:59:41.890
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01:59:41.890 --> 01:59:45.010
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01:59:45.010 --> 01:59:46.490
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01:59:47.690 --> 01:59:51.490
<v Sam>are chatting throughout the week and sharing links and all that kind of stuff.

01:59:51.870 --> 01:59:54.850
<v Sam>So, Yvonne, how about one highlight from the Slack this week that we have not

01:59:54.850 --> 01:59:55.730
<v Sam>talked about on the show?

01:59:57.890 --> 02:00:01.630
<v Ivan>Well, I guess I'll mention, because we've got to wrap this up quick,

02:00:03.110 --> 02:00:08.530
<v Ivan>you know, Tesla sales, again, reported in Europe.

02:00:09.110 --> 02:00:12.930
<v Ivan>They're not recovering. You know, a lot of people are just speculating,

02:00:13.150 --> 02:00:16.430
<v Ivan>well, the Model Y, the new model, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:00:16.970 --> 02:00:23.490
<v Ivan>Listen, people in Europe basically have said, fuck you, Tesla, in droves.

02:00:23.670 --> 02:00:25.590
<v Ivan>They used to dominate that market.

02:00:26.730 --> 02:00:32.710
<v Ivan>And in the Washington Post, it came out that in Germany, which is one of the

02:00:32.710 --> 02:00:35.070
<v Ivan>biggest markets for Tesla,

02:00:36.170 --> 02:00:45.210
<v Ivan>They are down I think it was Across Tesla they dropped 33.6% In Germany it was

02:00:45.210 --> 02:00:49.750
<v Ivan>even worse They dropped 75%.

02:00:49.750 --> 02:00:51.950
<v Sam>And they're having declines here too, right?

02:00:53.200 --> 02:00:57.520
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, yes. But it's more, it's worse in Europe.

02:00:58.280 --> 02:01:01.440
<v Ivan>They were, they, I mean, let's put it this way. Market share last year in Germany

02:01:01.440 --> 02:01:06.420
<v Ivan>for Tesla was 11% of all, of all vehicle.

02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:10.720
<v Ivan>This is not just electric, of all vehicles registered in Germany. Okay.

02:01:11.400 --> 02:01:14.700
<v Ivan>All right. Think about that. It's the entire market. Okay. I mean,

02:01:14.740 --> 02:01:18.240
<v Ivan>in the U S the entire battery electric vehicle market is around that.

02:01:18.520 --> 02:01:22.420
<v Ivan>So imagine the penetration in Germany where there are 11% of all cars.

02:01:22.420 --> 02:01:27.420
<v Ivan>Through three quarters this year, they're down to 3.4%. I mean,

02:01:27.460 --> 02:01:30.620
<v Ivan>that is just a brutal beating that they have taken.

02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:36.540
<v Ivan>And they basically ceded market to now Volkswagen, BMW, and BYD.

02:01:36.780 --> 02:01:39.000
<v Ivan>And so they're just getting destroyed.

02:01:39.260 --> 02:01:43.360
<v Ivan>And in response to that, the Tesla board,

02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:47.800
<v Ivan>recognizing how bad a job Elon Musk has done,

02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:51.420
<v Ivan>they have decided to award a massive

02:01:51.420 --> 02:01:54.260
<v Ivan>new payout for him that

02:01:54.260 --> 02:01:58.320
<v Ivan>if it comes to fruition he could potentially they

02:01:58.320 --> 02:02:03.480
<v Ivan>use this valuation model Black-Scholes in order to value these based on future

02:02:03.480 --> 02:02:09.420
<v Ivan>projections whatever the fun or whatnot it's magical but it still is the estimation

02:02:09.420 --> 02:02:14.380
<v Ivan>based on that model it estimated it could be worth up to one trillion dollars okay,

02:02:14.980 --> 02:02:15.900
<v Ivan>Bail up for us.

02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:23.340
<v Sam>Baby Ah, yes Okay, with that, I think we need to be done Thank you everybody

02:02:23.340 --> 02:02:27.080
<v Sam>for joining us Yeah, okay,

02:02:28.280 --> 02:02:31.700
<v Sam>Have a great week, have a good time Stay safe.

02:02:31.860 --> 02:02:33.880
<v Ivan>Goodbye Bye Bye.

02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:07.640
<v Sam>Thank you. okay we'll see how this goes depending on what of my stuff got saved

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<v Sam>and where and what this is going to be a joy to edit okay we'll talk to you

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<v Sam>later hitting hitting stop bye Bye.

