WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:07.130 You have a Pac-Man t-shirt with the sun eating all the planets. Interesting. 00:00:08.090 --> 00:00:08.270 Yep. 00:00:08.790 --> 00:00:10.150 Now, where did you get that? 00:00:10.870 --> 00:00:11.890 Brandy gave it to me. 00:00:12.830 --> 00:00:17.890 Ah, okay. So she shopped for it. You know, this wasn't some random... 00:00:17.890 --> 00:00:20.670 Yes, she saw it somewhere and bought it. 00:00:20.770 --> 00:00:24.650 That's a very thoughtful one. Yeah, okay. I like this. There you go. 00:00:25.890 --> 00:00:26.950 You'll notice. 00:00:27.930 --> 00:00:30.890 There's some kind of plant back... Oh, there you go. 00:00:31.070 --> 00:00:33.670 Up here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She painted that. 00:00:34.030 --> 00:00:34.410 Oh! 00:00:34.950 --> 00:00:40.010 That's all the planets, but each one of them is a fruit of some sort. 00:00:40.690 --> 00:00:43.970 That's very cool as well. There we go. 00:00:44.810 --> 00:00:47.990 Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. 00:00:48.090 --> 00:00:52.050 I need a minute to get the sound actually routing correctly. 00:00:52.290 --> 00:00:52.890 Yeah, no problem. 00:00:53.170 --> 00:00:54.110 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hear you. 00:00:54.430 --> 00:00:55.970 Let me figure out how to do that. 00:00:55.970 --> 00:00:59.650 Pete, you know what? I hadn't seen you in a while. I think you had more hair. 00:00:59.770 --> 00:01:05.770 I had a lot more hair. So these are headphones I've never, ever used. 00:01:06.430 --> 00:01:11.210 They were from Verizon. They were like free for getting Verizon. 00:01:12.750 --> 00:01:15.690 And I have no idea why they're so quiet. 00:01:16.770 --> 00:01:17.370 Wow. 00:01:17.910 --> 00:01:20.510 You got to like sometimes. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. 00:01:20.650 --> 00:01:21.090 Say something. 00:01:21.550 --> 00:01:22.870 Hello, hello, something. 00:01:23.930 --> 00:01:29.190 It's tricky. Like which sound output volume it's picking. It gets, 00:01:29.390 --> 00:01:33.630 I don't know, you gotta pick the right... 00:01:35.530 --> 00:01:37.510 Not the right fuck. I meant the right volume slider. 00:01:37.510 --> 00:01:41.230 I hope we're not recording yet because I'm going to be cursing a little bit while I get this work. 00:01:41.290 --> 00:01:43.750 Oh, yeah. You're live streaming right now. 00:01:43.910 --> 00:01:47.070 Do you realize I'm on this show? I mean, seriously? 00:01:49.270 --> 00:01:51.270 Do you get many people on your live stream? 00:01:52.050 --> 00:01:57.810 Not really. Just usually just every once in a while a straggler goes into the live stream. 00:01:58.250 --> 00:01:58.950 Sam's mom. 00:01:59.470 --> 00:02:01.750 Yeah. Or Alex. 00:02:03.490 --> 00:02:12.030 Sometimes Alex. Yeah. And we do get like a handful of like after the fact non-live 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:15.530 views of the YouTube, but handful. 00:02:16.210 --> 00:02:18.650 Yeah. It's really mostly audio. I mean, do we get? 00:02:19.230 --> 00:02:26.850 Yeah. And we are, our ongoing long-term average is like 50 downloads a week. 00:02:26.850 --> 00:02:29.330 We're actually slightly lower than that right now. 00:02:29.510 --> 00:02:33.570 We were slightly higher than that a few months ago. So that's also affected 00:02:33.570 --> 00:02:39.430 by how good my robot detection happens to be on my log processing at any given 00:02:39.430 --> 00:02:40.890 moment. But you know what. 00:02:41.030 --> 00:02:47.370 It's normal that after an election cycle, our downloads go down. 00:02:47.510 --> 00:02:50.770 It's been historically since we've done this podcast. 00:02:51.590 --> 00:02:59.890 Yeah. So like right now, so far today, there's been one download from an IP 00:02:59.890 --> 00:03:06.070 address with a Philadelphia philadelphiapa.fios.verizon.net download of last week's episode. 00:03:06.710 --> 00:03:11.250 Well, that's clearly David Cornswit, who, as we all know, played Superman and 00:03:11.250 --> 00:03:15.990 is from Philadelphia. He heard word that you were going to talk about this week, 00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:18.370 and he was, you know, he got the wrong episode. 00:03:18.470 --> 00:03:22.870 All right, well, let's jump in. I remember I got to be somewhere like this afternoon. 00:03:23.270 --> 00:03:27.490 Okay, okay, okay. Here comes the stuff. 00:03:49.290 --> 00:03:54.430 Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Saturday, August 23rd, 2025. 00:03:55.370 --> 00:03:59.990 It is a few minutes after 16 UTC as we're starting to record. 00:04:00.330 --> 00:04:04.470 I am Sam Minter, Yvonne Bo is here, and Peter B. 00:04:04.870 --> 00:04:07.850 We have a special guest, Peter B. We have a special guest. 00:04:07.990 --> 00:04:08.150 Yes. 00:04:08.390 --> 00:04:09.850 Special guest, special guest. 00:04:10.050 --> 00:04:11.630 Special guest, whatever, I don't know. 00:04:11.950 --> 00:04:17.570 As we have mentioned on the show a few times, Pete had asked us whether he could 00:04:17.570 --> 00:04:19.690 join us to talk about Superman. 00:04:20.170 --> 00:04:24.270 Like a younger brother. Did you do it yet? Did you do it yet? 00:04:24.530 --> 00:04:25.390 Yeah, exactly. 00:04:25.990 --> 00:04:30.110 To be fair, listen, to be fair, look, I had planned to see the movie in the 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:36.330 theaters, but I, this decrepit old man over here, who's apparently just turned 00:04:36.330 --> 00:04:38.250 into a decrepit old man, got hurt. 00:04:38.390 --> 00:04:44.170 And I hurt, I have hurt an abdominal muscle, okay, which I first, 00:04:44.470 --> 00:04:48.590 I thought was a recurrence of my diverticulitis that I got last year. 00:04:48.830 --> 00:04:54.450 Just to be clear, as this podcast has aged, getting close to 20 years on this 00:04:54.450 --> 00:05:00.210 podcast, the percentage of time of the co-hosts complaining about their health 00:05:00.210 --> 00:05:01.690 issues has increased dramatically. 00:05:02.010 --> 00:05:03.530 Oh, I feel right at home here. 00:05:03.610 --> 00:05:08.110 I'm going to talk about, I'm going to talk about gout. I'm going to talk about bursitis. 00:05:09.290 --> 00:05:14.790 Fucking gout. You know, well, thank God I have no gout. I got I got family members that got gout. 00:05:14.990 --> 00:05:18.550 I had a friend of mine who unfortunately passed away that also had gout. 00:05:18.770 --> 00:05:25.190 But I'm like, you know, this thing like right now, every other year. 00:05:25.430 --> 00:05:31.610 Oh, my knee. Oh, my, you know, my my shoulder. Oh, my. 00:05:32.230 --> 00:05:37.090 And so now somehow I had this bout of dermaticulitis last year. 00:05:37.190 --> 00:05:40.190 This was a whole mess. I wound up in the hospital for a few days over this. 00:05:40.190 --> 00:05:44.510 OK, thank God it was only meds that that that that, you know, 00:05:45.010 --> 00:05:46.310 I only needed meds, no surgery. 00:05:46.690 --> 00:05:51.770 And then a few like about a month ago, I feel, oh, this hurts down here. 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:53.310 Oh, am I getting something? 00:05:53.670 --> 00:05:57.170 Whatever. And I thought it was just my gastro. And I'm like, 00:05:57.250 --> 00:05:59.290 I go work out like an idiot. 00:05:59.570 --> 00:06:06.730 OK, doing a ton of ab exercises. And then I realize, oh, it wasn't my gastro. 00:06:07.090 --> 00:06:12.130 That muscle there, I must have strained it. And now I've really done it. 00:06:12.530 --> 00:06:16.830 And so, yeah, I'm in pain again. 00:06:17.130 --> 00:06:23.590 Yeah. So anyway, we are going to spend our first segment talking about Superman. Right. 00:06:23.750 --> 00:06:27.230 So I couldn't go watch it in the theaters. But, but... 00:06:28.010 --> 00:06:33.690 The moment it came out on Apple TV for purchase, I immediately just purchased 00:06:33.690 --> 00:06:34.990 the damn thing and watched it. 00:06:35.270 --> 00:06:39.370 Now, I want to hijack you for a minute here, Sam, because as you know, 00:06:39.490 --> 00:06:42.110 I have a YouTube channel, Tea Leaps Programming. 00:06:42.250 --> 00:06:45.290 Oh, yes. We're doing a special, like, joint thing. 00:06:45.970 --> 00:06:49.670 Normally talks about nerd stuff. Superman qualifies as nerd stuff. 00:06:49.670 --> 00:06:57.010 So I'm always on the lookout for times when someone else can do the work and 00:06:57.010 --> 00:07:00.550 I can somehow claim that for myself. So I am going to edit. 00:07:00.910 --> 00:07:04.550 You graciously agreed to share the video and audio. I am going to edit that 00:07:04.550 --> 00:07:05.490 and put it on the channel. 00:07:05.630 --> 00:07:07.950 You sound like the perfect corporate employee right now. 00:07:08.090 --> 00:07:11.350 Well, the thing I'm going to do, which could be controversial, 00:07:11.610 --> 00:07:15.010 is I know you guys talk politics. I normally try to avoid politics. 00:07:15.010 --> 00:07:18.370 After we do Superman, we'll spend the rest of the show doing news and current events. 00:07:18.370 --> 00:07:22.910 You guys were so patient with me younger brothering you with, 00:07:23.030 --> 00:07:25.130 did you watch it yet? Did you watch it yet? Can we talk about it yet? 00:07:25.370 --> 00:07:30.670 I know that I've kind of deferred in the past, but I will join you on this conversation 00:07:30.670 --> 00:07:34.230 and hopefully will not curse too much so that I can keep it. 00:07:34.230 --> 00:07:38.230 I don't understand why you're worried about the cursing. 00:07:38.330 --> 00:07:41.990 Look, I mean, exactly like from me, 00:07:42.190 --> 00:07:47.370 who has apparently probably set a world record this year for uttering the word 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:52.550 fuck on this podcast about everything that is fucking going on. 00:07:52.670 --> 00:07:54.390 But anyway, I digress. Let's go back to him. 00:07:54.450 --> 00:07:59.430 You know, Pete is trying to do a nice, like, child-friendly YouTube channel, right? 00:07:59.870 --> 00:08:03.130 Like, your big audience is like the 10-year-olds, right? 00:08:04.030 --> 00:08:08.290 Actually, according to YouTube analytics, the big audience is, 00:08:08.370 --> 00:08:10.630 in fact, 60-year-old American guy. 00:08:10.810 --> 00:08:16.570 So what can I tell you? Who else wants to play old video games but those people? 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:21.710 Apparently, yeah. Well, you know what? I'll tell you who likes to play old video games. 00:08:21.850 --> 00:08:26.990 My son, 12-year-old, is absolutely fascinated by old video games. 00:08:27.050 --> 00:08:29.130 As a matter of fact, I got this recently. 00:08:29.910 --> 00:08:32.090 I got the box here. Hold on. 00:08:32.690 --> 00:08:38.250 I don't know if I can share this, but there we go. This. I got one of these. 00:08:39.530 --> 00:08:44.170 Okay. For those who are listening to only audio, it's one of these retro, 00:08:44.170 --> 00:08:49.830 like, Atari simulators that you, it comes with, like, thousands of games and 00:08:49.830 --> 00:08:53.610 you attach it with an HDMI to your TV. But it plays like the old Atari. 00:08:54.050 --> 00:09:00.370 Yeah. So he is fascinated by the old retro games, like Tempest, Missile Command. 00:09:01.110 --> 00:09:05.150 I don't know. he likes all the old video games so so there you go. 00:09:05.150 --> 00:09:08.110 On on my on my tempest console that 00:09:08.110 --> 00:09:11.410 was finally assembled that my son gave me 00:09:11.410 --> 00:09:14.450 for christmas like years ago years ago he of 00:09:14.450 --> 00:09:20.510 course has blown away my high score on tempest for sure of course i think he's 00:09:20.510 --> 00:09:24.610 beat my centipede score like any one of the games that he has actually consistently 00:09:24.610 --> 00:09:31.310 tried to play he's he's crushing me so as it should be but you know so go ahead 00:09:31.310 --> 00:09:34.030 superman so yeah so tell me tell. 00:09:34.030 --> 00:09:38.090 Me your history with this character what do you go what expectations. 00:09:38.090 --> 00:09:43.030 Are you going into this so so i had brought up superman in film specifically 00:09:43.030 --> 00:09:47.810 the wikipedia page so i could reference what i've seen what i haven't but i 00:09:47.810 --> 00:09:53.130 will start by saying never read the comics okay from a comic book perspective, 00:09:53.770 --> 00:09:57.090 never done it from i have 00:09:57.090 --> 00:10:00.310 i have what so let me start with the movies what 00:10:00.310 --> 00:10:03.270 i've watched and what i haven't then there's like the tv shows as 00:10:03.270 --> 00:10:06.030 well i haven't brought up that list but i've watched a few of the two 00:10:06.030 --> 00:10:12.710 tv shows let's see i have not watched i i might have seen like one episode or 00:10:12.710 --> 00:10:20.810 something of the 1948 superman serial i have not watched the two night the 1950 00:10:20.810 --> 00:10:24.890 serial or the 1951 Superman and the Mole. 00:10:25.270 --> 00:10:25.830 George Reeves. 00:10:26.290 --> 00:10:32.890 Yeah. I have not seen George Reeves or Kirk Allen, which was the 48 one. 00:10:34.450 --> 00:10:40.910 Yeah, that's correct. Now, I've seen, I believe, all of the Christopher Reeve 00:10:40.910 --> 00:10:42.730 movies, all four of them. 00:10:43.010 --> 00:10:46.030 I will probably agree with most. 00:10:46.270 --> 00:10:50.970 Well, my take is Superman 2 is my favorite of the bunch. 00:10:51.050 --> 00:10:55.330 I think that's a fairly common and three and four went downhill really rapid. 00:10:55.730 --> 00:11:00.990 Okay. I do not believe I have seen the 1980s Supergirl at all. 00:11:01.810 --> 00:11:08.190 I have not seen Superman Returns. I have not seen the Donner cut of Superman 2. 00:11:08.450 --> 00:11:09.630 You're not missing anything. 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:16.310 I have seen Man of Steel and I hated it. 00:11:16.950 --> 00:11:22.730 I have not seen any of the other Zack Snyder versions of Superman. 00:11:22.950 --> 00:11:24.530 I have not seen Batman versus Superman. 00:11:24.770 --> 00:11:29.330 I have not seen Justice League. I have not seen the Zack Snyder cut of Justice 00:11:29.330 --> 00:11:31.610 League. I have not seen any of those. 00:11:31.750 --> 00:11:37.270 And I've seen this one, obviously, and that brings us up to date on those. 00:11:38.290 --> 00:11:42.570 And like I said, for TV, I watched most of Smallville. 00:11:43.430 --> 00:11:45.770 Oh, that's a commitment. There's a lot of Smallville. 00:11:46.030 --> 00:11:50.550 There's a lot. I watched most of it when it was on, like when it was actually 00:11:50.550 --> 00:11:54.290 on, you know, it was one of the shows that I watched on a regular basis. 00:11:54.730 --> 00:11:59.970 I can't tell you for sure that I've seen every episode, but I think I've seen most of it. 00:12:00.970 --> 00:12:04.630 I think, what was the one before Smallville? Lois and Clark? 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:07.830 Is that the one? Yeah. I think I saw a lot of that one. 00:12:07.830 --> 00:12:09.070 Lois and Clark Adventures, yeah. 00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:11.730 Yeah. Like I should have brought up that list too. 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:13.830 But I didn't. I don't think I saw, I don't think I ever watched that. 00:12:13.830 --> 00:12:18.870 It was a thing when I was in grad school, and I was just too busy, 00:12:19.090 --> 00:12:20.730 I think, to be watching things then. 00:12:21.290 --> 00:12:25.690 Right. And I don't think I've seen any of the other TV shows. 00:12:25.770 --> 00:12:30.270 Well, the cartoon when I was a kid. The Justice League one. 00:12:31.950 --> 00:12:35.330 The Justice League one. Or is it? No. 00:12:36.170 --> 00:12:37.730 No, the Super Friends. 00:12:37.870 --> 00:12:38.710 Yeah, Super Friends. 00:12:38.790 --> 00:12:42.110 Do you mean the Super Friends? No, I met Super Friends. Or do you mean like the late 90s? 00:12:42.230 --> 00:12:43.170 I met Super Friends. 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:44.770 Batman, the animated series. 00:12:45.470 --> 00:12:49.970 I was trying to figure out which one. I know that the way that I first watched 00:12:49.970 --> 00:12:51.670 Superman was cartoons on TV. 00:12:51.730 --> 00:12:55.570 And now I realize which one it was. It was this one that was called the Batman Superman Hour. 00:12:56.910 --> 00:12:58.910 That's really where I watched Superman. 00:12:59.110 --> 00:13:02.150 That's pretty good. It's not bad. Even to this day, it's aged well. 00:13:02.290 --> 00:13:07.330 Yeah. So that's the one I really watched. I will admit that I went through the 00:13:07.330 --> 00:13:09.630 entire list right now of Superman movies. 00:13:10.230 --> 00:13:13.790 I'm pretty sure that the only ones I watch are the Christopher Reeve ones. 00:13:14.410 --> 00:13:17.410 That's it. I watch Superman 1, 2, 3, and 4. 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:25.780 No Supergirl. And I was not one that, I think I did read some comics, but not a lot of them. 00:13:25.940 --> 00:13:33.140 But I did watch, I liked the Christopher Reeve version of Superman, okay, on film. 00:13:33.180 --> 00:13:36.220 And I did watch all four of those. 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:40.520 But my thing as a child was that Batman Superman hour. 00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:44.960 I watched that regularly all the time. And that's the one that really, 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.960 you know, stuck to me that I watched it. 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:55.580 But look, I have, I'm, I'm the, I'm the guy, for example, that only saw like 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:56.940 the first Jurassic Park. 00:13:57.380 --> 00:14:00.420 I don't think you have to, I don't think you have to apologize for not. 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:04.780 Oh, no, no, no. I was not apologizing. I'm explaining that I am like the guy 00:14:04.780 --> 00:14:06.700 who only saw the first Jurassic Park. 00:14:06.780 --> 00:14:08.280 So you're coming in kind of. 00:14:09.100 --> 00:14:13.520 Yeah. I am one of these guys that watched like, oh, I watched whatever. 00:14:13.520 --> 00:14:19.600 Most of these reboots of almost anything, I'm like, in the 2000s, 00:14:19.660 --> 00:14:21.140 I stopped watching any of it. 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:28.460 I'm like, you know, not Batman, not Superman. I mean, shit, I think I watched 00:14:28.460 --> 00:14:34.360 like The Dark Knight basically because at my sister's house, somebody put it on TV. 00:14:34.520 --> 00:14:39.880 I mean, comic book movie fatigue is a thing. I don't think you're alone in that. 00:14:39.880 --> 00:14:42.660 Yeah so i i you know i 00:14:42.660 --> 00:14:45.600 just was not one that that that 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.820 that watch movies and to be honest as being the curmudgeon 00:14:48.820 --> 00:14:53.820 i am basically about the only film series that i think i've consistently watched 00:14:53.820 --> 00:15:01.520 over that entire time span has been bond film series that's it all outside of 00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:06.640 that i think i've watched every movie in the bond film series dating back to sean connery but, 00:15:07.410 --> 00:15:12.890 I don't think there is anything else. Oh, and the Mission Impossible series with Tom Cruise. 00:15:13.670 --> 00:15:19.950 Well, a good sidebar for a future Curmudgeon's Corner episode could be which 00:15:19.950 --> 00:15:23.970 is the best Bond movie and why is it on Her Majesty's Secret Service? 00:15:24.630 --> 00:15:26.750 Oh. Oh. 00:15:27.130 --> 00:15:29.350 All right. But I'm not going to – having thrown that grenade. 00:15:29.570 --> 00:15:33.190 All right. So now that we explained, okay, what our background is, 00:15:33.490 --> 00:15:37.450 why is it that you felt compelled to talk about this movie? 00:15:37.530 --> 00:15:40.690 Now, I've seen a lot of comments, and I know there are good reasons to. 00:15:40.910 --> 00:15:47.070 I'm just wondering, from your perspective, what is it that—because my take is 00:15:47.070 --> 00:15:48.370 that you really loved this movie. 00:15:48.630 --> 00:15:53.570 I did. And I was expecting it to be, I mean, not a disaster, 00:15:53.870 --> 00:16:00.050 but just okay. Okay, so to give a little bit of background, I was a comic book kid. 00:16:00.170 --> 00:16:02.650 I wasn't a Superman kid. I wasn't a DC Comics kid. 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:07.790 My relationship with comic books is my parents went every week in the 1970s 00:16:07.790 --> 00:16:12.770 to the local, and it wasn't really local, to Flea Market in New Jersey. 00:16:13.250 --> 00:16:18.990 And they would bring home a pile of comics, which was basically whatever garbage 00:16:18.990 --> 00:16:24.710 comics they could get for five cents for a stack of them, right? It's a lot cheaper then. 00:16:25.110 --> 00:16:27.850 And so I read whatever was in that pile. 00:16:28.490 --> 00:16:32.910 That's what I read. If it was Marvel, I read that. If it was Archie, I read a lot of Archie. 00:16:33.010 --> 00:16:37.030 If it was Little Lulu, I would read Little Lulu. I was completely nonjudgmental. 00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:39.950 It had pictures. It had words. I wanted to read it. 00:16:40.090 --> 00:16:43.910 You know, I had this a little bit easier. You know, we had a pharmacy back then 00:16:43.910 --> 00:16:47.350 and they came to the magazine deliveries every week. They had a rack. 00:16:47.850 --> 00:16:50.570 But here's the great thing. I would grab them. I grabbed all of them. 00:16:51.270 --> 00:16:54.290 Of course. I read them. I just put them all back. 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:58.410 I was going to say the pharmacy is too expensive, but you came up with a light. 00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:05.750 Well, I'll tell you my one like experience with comic books was when I was. 00:17:06.290 --> 00:17:07.690 Oh, I don't know. I must have been. 00:17:07.970 --> 00:17:08.990 Oh, by the way, they're all in Spanish. 00:17:09.170 --> 00:17:09.710 Of course. 00:17:09.850 --> 00:17:09.990 Of course. 00:17:10.170 --> 00:17:14.590 I was seven, eight, nine. And where my parents worked at the time, 00:17:14.730 --> 00:17:15.870 there was like a block over. 00:17:16.250 --> 00:17:19.610 There was one of these little family owned pharmacies. 00:17:19.810 --> 00:17:22.810 It was a small family owned pharmacy actually had the soda fountain, 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:27.470 all that kind of stuff. And one of the things I got to do when I had to sit 00:17:27.470 --> 00:17:29.370 with my parents at their work, 00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:35.860 was I would get to go over there, get something from the soda fountain, and get a comic book. 00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:40.080 Now, just to tell you where I was, I would usually get Casper and Wendy. 00:17:40.700 --> 00:17:42.260 Absolutely. They were very popular. 00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:43.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:17:43.520 --> 00:17:50.360 So that was the comic book I would get. I have no memories of the comic books themselves. 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:55.180 I only remember the experience of going to that little pharmacy, 00:17:55.600 --> 00:17:59.640 getting my drink, getting the comic book. They had a little nook where I could 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.220 sit and read for a little bit or I could take it. 00:18:02.420 --> 00:18:09.200 And I remember doing that. I do remember some of the ads from those because one. 00:18:09.820 --> 00:18:10.280 Charles Atlas. 00:18:11.180 --> 00:18:11.660 Well, one. 00:18:12.620 --> 00:18:15.820 Yes. Oh, my God. The Charles Atlas ads. 00:18:16.020 --> 00:18:20.260 No, no, no. I will tell the story. I don't know if I've told this on here before. 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:24.780 I've told it to Alex and he really enjoys it. And he's made some like he made 00:18:24.780 --> 00:18:27.760 some chat GPT assisted stories that riffed on this. 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:33.080 But specifically, there was one ad I was really excited about, 00:18:33.260 --> 00:18:37.440 about like a ghost that you could get. 00:18:37.600 --> 00:18:41.940 Like it was sort of like, you know, fool your friends, get this ghost thing, 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:44.060 blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. 00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:50.880 I remember being super excited about it, saving up some money to order this 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.400 thing, like clipping out the little thing from the comic book. You mailed it in. 00:18:55.520 --> 00:18:59.380 And back then it was like delivery in like four to six weeks or something. 00:18:59.600 --> 00:18:59.800 Yes. 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:00.140 Right. 00:19:00.260 --> 00:19:00.540 Yes. 00:19:00.800 --> 00:19:06.920 You know? And so I remember marking up a calendar with like days until the ghost arrives. Right. 00:19:07.700 --> 00:19:12.400 You know? And then when the thing finally came, right? 00:19:12.890 --> 00:19:18.510 It was a white balloon with a little square of plastic that you put over it and a string. 00:19:18.750 --> 00:19:19.210 Right. 00:19:19.710 --> 00:19:25.450 You know, I forget how much I paid for this thing, but it was such an incredible disappointment. 00:19:25.770 --> 00:19:29.910 I never sent away for sea monkeys, but I definitely wanted to. 00:19:30.790 --> 00:19:32.910 I'm sure everyone who did was disappointed. 00:19:32.910 --> 00:19:36.670 I'm pretty sure we got sea monkeys at some point. I don't know that we sent 00:19:36.670 --> 00:19:39.530 in mail order, but I remember having sea monkeys. 00:19:40.290 --> 00:19:44.850 And, yes, they were not what was described in the ads. 00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:45.990 All right. So. 00:19:46.110 --> 00:19:47.170 Okay. Back to Superman. 00:19:47.170 --> 00:19:51.650 Comic books come in. I'm reading whatever I got. But I will say that the weeks 00:19:51.650 --> 00:19:57.670 when there were DC comics, when there were Superman comics and Legion of Superheroes, 00:19:57.830 --> 00:20:00.210 were like better weekends than the rest. 00:20:00.410 --> 00:20:04.290 Because those are a little higher production quality. So I like them quite a lot. 00:20:04.710 --> 00:20:09.270 But fast forward, I kind of fell out of comic books after basically I kept reading 00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:12.710 them through college and I kind of stopped because it's an expense. 00:20:12.870 --> 00:20:13.670 They got more expensive. 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:21.290 And I was a big moviegoer. I would see if you name a movie from like 1980 through 00:20:21.290 --> 00:20:24.470 about 2000, I certainly saw it. 00:20:24.690 --> 00:20:28.310 Right. I would just again, very I don't know what the word is. 00:20:28.430 --> 00:20:30.610 I would see whatever was there. I would go. 00:20:30.650 --> 00:20:32.450 Well, that was the thing. Undiscriminating. 00:20:32.650 --> 00:20:35.930 That would be a word. So, of course, I saw all of the Superman movies. 00:20:36.230 --> 00:20:37.390 It was something to do. 00:20:37.550 --> 00:20:41.110 Yeah. I did see Man of Steel when it came out in the theater, 00:20:41.110 --> 00:20:43.990 and I did not like it at that time. 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.790 And then what happened, the reason that I was actually so excited for Superman 00:20:48.790 --> 00:20:55.650 2025 is a couple years ago, I was doing a weekend kind of movie night, 00:20:55.930 --> 00:20:59.270 virtual movie night, with some of my friends. 00:20:59.350 --> 00:21:02.810 And this was, of course, COVID-related. 00:21:03.930 --> 00:21:07.870 And, you know, you kind of go through themes, right? Maybe we're going to watch 00:21:07.870 --> 00:21:09.990 a bunch of monster movies a few weeks in a row. 00:21:10.370 --> 00:21:17.070 And at some point we said, well, wouldn't it be fun to watch all of the Superman movies back to back? 00:21:17.250 --> 00:21:19.910 Not in one session, but, you know, one a week. 00:21:20.530 --> 00:21:25.090 And so we watched the four. I think we did not watch Superman 4. 00:21:25.330 --> 00:21:32.010 I think we watched three of the three Reeve movies. We watched Superman Returns 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:36.830 and we watched Man of Steel and I was shocked. 00:21:37.770 --> 00:21:41.910 By my reaction to the movies, and this is, I think, going to be a relevant topic 00:21:41.910 --> 00:21:43.530 when we talk about Superman 2020. 00:21:44.330 --> 00:21:47.770 I was shocked because I came out of that and I said, you know what? 00:21:48.130 --> 00:21:49.690 I didn't like Man of Steel. 00:21:50.150 --> 00:21:53.410 And it was the best Superman movie of all the ones we just watched. 00:21:53.970 --> 00:21:54.410 Wow. 00:21:56.270 --> 00:22:00.210 Because those early Reeve Superman movies. First of all, Christopher Reeve is 00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:02.750 incomparable, right? Like, he inhabits the character. 00:22:02.870 --> 00:22:05.810 So anything I'm saying is not about him as an actor. 00:22:06.530 --> 00:22:08.270 Those movies, the way they are written. 00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:08.810 Cheesy. 00:22:08.950 --> 00:22:13.930 This is the creepiest thing you will ever. Like Superman is basically written 00:22:13.930 --> 00:22:15.930 as a stalker and a sex pest. 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:20.950 He's looking at women's underwear. He spends half the movie floating outside 00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:22.830 Lois's apartment waiting for a. 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:28.390 It's really creepy. He takes away her memory without consent. 00:22:28.790 --> 00:22:32.650 Right. By kissing her. I mean, there's like so much wrong with it. 00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:37.290 And I can remember being in the theater at age, you know, whatever, 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:41.470 I'm not going to say my age, but being a little kid and watching Superman do 00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:44.990 this stuff and just being like, yes, this is how men should treat women. This is correct. 00:22:45.210 --> 00:22:51.050 This is totally fine. As an adult watching it, I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is awful. 00:22:52.030 --> 00:22:56.730 And so that made me walk away saying, OK, well, Man of Steel was maybe a little 00:22:56.730 --> 00:23:00.210 more thoughtful how all this stuff fits together. 00:23:01.390 --> 00:23:06.570 but none of those despite me saying that Man of Steel was the best of those movies, 00:23:08.230 --> 00:23:13.970 none of them really captured what I thought about the character and so when 00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:17.630 I heard that James Gunn was going to be doing a movie I said this is either 00:23:17.630 --> 00:23:23.250 going to be fantastic or terrible and the guy's track record has me very optimistic 00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:27.150 that he will get to the core so you were cautious. 00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:29.430 You were being cautious going into it you. 00:23:29.430 --> 00:23:29.990 Were like. 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:34.810 You were like, let me lower my expectations to make sure that I don't go in 00:23:34.810 --> 00:23:37.050 thinking, I know this guy's good, he's going to do great. 00:23:37.150 --> 00:23:39.950 And then I go in there and I'm like, oh, my God, what the hell is this term? 00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:43.210 I was convinced. I was like, there's a 50% chance I'm going to walk out of theater 00:23:43.210 --> 00:23:45.330 and just be slightly depressed. 00:23:45.690 --> 00:23:45.990 Okay. 00:23:46.290 --> 00:23:52.130 Let me give my thoughts on those earlier movies, the ones I've seen anyway. 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:55.890 so like yes super i 00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:01.890 haven't watched superman one and two recently enough to know if i would have 00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:07.110 the same reaction as you i mean i think i've now i i'm not even going to speculate 00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:12.310 when the last time i saw them was i think it's before i've been tracking what 00:24:12.310 --> 00:24:15.130 i've been watching okay now i have to check. 00:24:15.470 --> 00:24:19.190 See, you've done this to me. Let's see movies. 00:24:19.870 --> 00:24:22.630 I'm going to my little superman. 00:24:23.610 --> 00:24:28.710 Okay, 2025. Boom. Boom. Yeah, no. 00:24:29.550 --> 00:24:35.750 I've been tracking what I've watched since 2014. 00:24:35.850 --> 00:24:41.610 And I have not watched the only Superman movies I've seen in that time are Man 00:24:41.610 --> 00:24:45.090 of Steel and the new 2025 one. 00:24:45.250 --> 00:24:50.870 So any of the originals before 2014 is the last time I've seen them. 00:24:50.950 --> 00:24:56.750 So I don't know if i would react the way you just did but you know i i i felt 00:24:56.750 --> 00:25:03.170 i i still have i have that nostalgic thing for one and two three and four the 00:25:03.170 --> 00:25:07.110 only thing i can remember is that they sucked you know i mean he's. 00:25:07.110 --> 00:25:12.010 Superman three let's be clear about this superman three was ridiculous it. 00:25:12.010 --> 00:25:13.090 Was a richard pranger movie. 00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:19.590 That exactly i mean it was a who the hell thought that the way to do a Superman 00:25:19.590 --> 00:25:22.270 movie was to fucking put in Richard Pryor. 00:25:22.430 --> 00:25:24.690 I mean, I'm like, what the hell is this? 00:25:24.870 --> 00:25:25.890 I'm going to stand for the guy. 00:25:26.010 --> 00:25:28.830 You know, this is one of the problems when you talk about this movies. 00:25:29.210 --> 00:25:33.430 Richard Pryor, like, the guy showed up and did his job for that movie. 00:25:33.570 --> 00:25:39.770 Oh, oh, totally. I mean, I agree, but it's just the entire thing was just ridiculous, okay? 00:25:39.850 --> 00:25:43.750 When you learn about the production of these movies, like this and Star Trek, 00:25:43.830 --> 00:25:48.250 the motion picture like the amounts of cocaine that went into. 00:25:48.250 --> 00:25:48.870 The development. 00:25:48.870 --> 00:25:51.410 Of these pictures that's basically the story is. 00:25:51.410 --> 00:25:52.870 You know mario being. 00:25:52.870 --> 00:25:53.810 Locked in a room. 00:25:53.810 --> 00:25:55.850 With cocaine rocked. 00:25:55.850 --> 00:25:59.390 Off his gourd trying to turn this into a movie at a time. 00:25:59.390 --> 00:26:00.590 When there was no. 00:26:00.590 --> 00:26:05.590 Culture that like the idea the very idea of a good comic book movie was like 00:26:05.590 --> 00:26:09.310 what's the word that when you like military intelligence what do you call that yeah. 00:26:09.310 --> 00:26:12.410 Yeah oxymoron an oxymoron contradiction in 00:26:12.410 --> 00:26:15.790 terms that's right yeah so um you 00:26:15.790 --> 00:26:19.010 know here i will say that of those old 00:26:19.010 --> 00:26:23.770 movies the only one i think that well first of all you know i i wasn't even 00:26:23.770 --> 00:26:28.270 like thinking about all the ridiculous sexism that that the that the superman 00:26:28.270 --> 00:26:34.950 who movies had because oh my god it's just you know like the the lex luther's 00:26:34.950 --> 00:26:38.550 girlfriend in the first movie was just ridiculous, you know, 00:26:39.010 --> 00:26:43.170 and in the, you know, and in Superman 3, it was just also ridiculous. 00:26:43.330 --> 00:26:47.610 I mean, I will say that the only one that had a plot that really did, 00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:50.300 was good out of any of those was two. 00:26:50.660 --> 00:26:51.280 Mm-hmm. 00:26:51.540 --> 00:26:55.260 You know, with, you know, with- I think most people felt that way. 00:26:55.340 --> 00:26:55.480 Yeah. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.740 With, by the way, just died last week. 00:26:58.080 --> 00:26:58.180 Yeah. 00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:04.440 Yeah. You know, that plot was actually pretty, you know, pretty good out of 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.400 those three. But still, I mean, yeah. 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:14.640 You know, the reality is that it's just like you said. Christopher Reeve did a great job. 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.600 given material that was honestly shit. 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:22.380 Can I take a Terrence Stamp detour? 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:28.040 The best Terrence Stamp story. So Terrence Stamp famously played tough guys 00:27:28.040 --> 00:27:31.080 in movies. Most of his roles were tough guys. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.260 And he starred in the movie, the movie that I remember him best from, 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:39.680 called Priscilla Queen of the Desert, where he plays, and if I get this wrong, I apologize. 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:46.880 The main characters in the movies were a mix of cross-dressers and transsexuals. 00:27:46.940 --> 00:27:47.340 Excellent. 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:53.280 And he plays an actual transsexual, someone who identifies as a woman. 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:59.900 And the director talked about him being in that role as a tough guy. 00:28:00.060 --> 00:28:03.980 And he looked somewhat ridiculous, right? 00:28:04.100 --> 00:28:10.360 He didn't pass, as I think this is what the directors did. But it was very important 00:28:10.360 --> 00:28:14.520 to him as an actor that he pass. 00:28:14.800 --> 00:28:19.900 And so, like, word went out among the crew that, like, the most important thing 00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:23.020 is that if Terrence Stamp said, like, how do I look? 00:28:23.120 --> 00:28:26.160 People were like, Terrence, you look beautiful. You look so elegant. 00:28:26.340 --> 00:28:30.640 You look—you're the definition of, you know. It's just a very interesting story. 00:28:31.040 --> 00:28:32.400 Yeah. All right. 00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:33.260 That's my detail. 00:28:33.540 --> 00:28:38.560 Okay. I did want to say Man of Steel. My thoughts on that, 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:45.460 I watched it on one of the streaming services when I was in Toronto with my 00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:50.300 wife visiting for my sister's wedding a few years back. 00:28:50.340 --> 00:28:54.020 And we were just like, oh, let's put something on. And that's what we put on. 00:28:55.040 --> 00:29:02.460 And my overall feeling of it was I just felt bad. 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:10.340 Every like, and a big part of it was sort of comparison of the memory of the 00:29:10.340 --> 00:29:15.840 Christopher Reeve movies, because I felt like it trod some of the same ground. 00:29:16.550 --> 00:29:23.130 But on every scene that had a direct comparison, I felt like the original movie did it better. 00:29:23.370 --> 00:29:30.410 Like when the same scene was done, you know, like the spaceship crashes or the 00:29:30.410 --> 00:29:36.470 scene with, you know, with Clark Kent and his father or the first time he meets Lois or whatever. 00:29:36.870 --> 00:29:42.330 Whenever the same scene existed in both, I felt the nostalgia for the original 00:29:42.330 --> 00:29:44.570 movie and felt like the new movie did it worse. 00:29:44.570 --> 00:29:52.810 I felt like they really played up, you know, the Superman as alien thing in 00:29:52.810 --> 00:29:55.970 a way that I didn't like, as opposed to the Superman as human, 00:29:56.210 --> 00:29:58.410 you know, or orphan or whatever. 00:29:58.910 --> 00:30:03.610 You know, lots of people have complained about how, like, they have a big battle 00:30:03.610 --> 00:30:07.150 in the city and don't seem to care about collateral damage at all, 00:30:07.310 --> 00:30:11.730 which, of course, Superman 2025 directly responds to in a number of ways. 00:30:12.850 --> 00:30:15.570 And and i understand that was some of the 00:30:15.570 --> 00:30:18.350 setup for superman versus batman too even though i haven't 00:30:18.350 --> 00:30:21.130 seen that but and and 00:30:21.130 --> 00:30:24.270 i felt like the the elements 00:30:24.270 --> 00:30:30.670 they added were all elements that i thought actually detracted like there was 00:30:30.670 --> 00:30:35.890 more violence there was more there was just the the the battles were really 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:42.510 extended and long and i found them boring i i like in in many action movies and superhero movies, 00:30:42.770 --> 00:30:48.750 I sort of tune out the battle scenes and I'm like looking for the character beats in between. 00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:52.810 And it felt like this was a movie that really played up the, 00:30:53.050 --> 00:30:57.110 we're going to do the special effects, which often really, really, 00:30:57.250 --> 00:31:02.510 really looked CGI and played up the battles, played up the special effects, 00:31:02.730 --> 00:31:06.070 played up like we're going to have aliens in this and all this kind of stuff. 00:31:06.290 --> 00:31:11.270 And I felt took away most of the like, 00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:19.890 The the character and human bits that I found potentially interesting in in in these movies. 00:31:20.230 --> 00:31:25.750 And so I felt like it just paled in comparison to the first one because it it 00:31:25.750 --> 00:31:28.750 tried to do the same things, but not as well. 00:31:28.870 --> 00:31:31.770 And then it added a whole bunch of stuff that I didn't like at all. 00:31:31.970 --> 00:31:33.510 That's sort of how I felt about that. 00:31:33.570 --> 00:31:39.010 That gives some really good context and I think sets the table for Superman 2025 pretty well. 00:31:39.010 --> 00:31:43.510 So Man of Steel, part of, I think, everyone's issue with it, 00:31:43.550 --> 00:31:46.190 or many people's issue with it, or for the people who like it, 00:31:46.330 --> 00:31:49.610 it's what they like, is this Zack Snyder aesthetic. 00:31:49.810 --> 00:31:55.570 The guy has an uncanny ability to put together a composition, 00:31:55.870 --> 00:32:01.850 a visual composition, that is very, very striking. And you either are bought 00:32:01.850 --> 00:32:03.170 into that or you're not, right? 00:32:03.330 --> 00:32:09.010 It has certain attributes, the color grading, this kind of very steel blue cast over the entire film. 00:32:09.190 --> 00:32:14.410 In terms of writing, though, there's stuff in there that, to me, 00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:15.530 is not a fit with Superman. 00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:21.270 That movie, the big conceptual problem with Man of Steel is it's basically smooshing 00:32:21.270 --> 00:32:24.250 together Man of Steel and Jesus, right? 00:32:24.950 --> 00:32:29.630 Or Superman and Jesus, excuse me. I mean, the imagery was with the guys. 00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:33.770 Yes, I remember that. I remember thinking that when it came up, going, what the hell? 00:32:34.050 --> 00:32:41.310 And Superman is fundamentally a power fantasy by two Jewish kids in pre-war Cleveland, right? 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:48.750 Who is about partially what if there's a guy who can't be beat, 00:32:48.890 --> 00:32:53.730 but also he always does the right thing, right? 00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:58.510 Now, the Snyder bots are going to flood your comments. 00:32:58.610 --> 00:33:01.270 This is going to be your most popular episode because they're going to tell 00:33:01.270 --> 00:33:02.630 me I didn't understand the character. 00:33:03.130 --> 00:33:08.410 You know, Henry Cavill's Superman does eventually get there in Man of Steel, 00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:12.770 but there's a lot of hemming and hawing. He doesn't have that kind of innate goodness. 00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:17.570 There's been a lot of writing changes in comic books lately. 00:33:17.860 --> 00:33:22.920 since I'd say the year 2000. And I would frankly say that the stuff being written 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.940 today since 2000 is a lot more interesting. And some of the most interesting 00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:31.900 attributes of Superman have come out of that. 00:33:32.100 --> 00:33:39.120 Writer Grant Morrison talks about the magic of Superman is he's like Paul Bunyan, right? 00:33:39.280 --> 00:33:44.040 He does everything you and me do, but he does it on a grand scale. 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:45.830 You know, He didn't literally. 00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:49.710 Superman brushes his teeth. He grabs a sequoia to do it, right? 00:33:50.350 --> 00:33:56.050 But fundamentally, he is treated as a human being in those comics. 00:33:56.230 --> 00:34:00.510 You can connect to him emotionally. And that is what Man of Steel, 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:04.330 I think, put this distance between you and Superman. 00:34:04.330 --> 00:34:10.470 Well, here's the thing, you know, related to comic book writing post-2002 before. 00:34:10.930 --> 00:34:16.310 You know, I tend to think that the audience for a lot of these has probably 00:34:16.310 --> 00:34:19.390 morphed, where before this was written for children. 00:34:19.770 --> 00:34:24.370 I think that was the main audience and that now this is really written for adults because— Dude. 00:34:24.470 --> 00:34:27.250 I can't afford comic books. How does a 10-year-old afford them? 00:34:27.390 --> 00:34:30.270 Exactly. Right. Yeah. So I think 00:34:30.270 --> 00:34:35.030 that that's I think that's the biggest change with nuance and things. 00:34:35.250 --> 00:34:40.930 And with a lot of these, you're talking about the superhero movies like in, 00:34:41.170 --> 00:34:46.410 you know, in the theaters right now, where the entire audience where they they're 00:34:46.410 --> 00:34:49.550 positioning these four has completely changed from where they were thinking 00:34:49.550 --> 00:34:51.070 30 years ago, 40 years ago. 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:55.630 Right. And I think that the written comic books have changed in part because 00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:59.390 the movies and the knock-on franchises exist. 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:02.050 And when you're making a movie, like, what's the gold stake? 00:35:02.170 --> 00:35:05.870 You would love to be able to make a four-quadrant, what they call a four-quadrant 00:35:05.870 --> 00:35:10.490 movie that, like, you know, the kids and the adults and grandma, they could all enjoy it. 00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:13.050 And that's the way you make your audience as big as possible, 00:35:13.050 --> 00:35:16.350 which is not the only thing an artist would be concerned with, 00:35:16.450 --> 00:35:18.950 but it certainly is, you know, not something to ignore. 00:35:19.810 --> 00:35:23.570 Well, hey, you know, look, what are we kidding here? 00:35:23.690 --> 00:35:26.890 You know, these are all, you know, this is, they're not, these are not nonprofit, 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:31.590 these are not nonprofit organizations, okay? You know, these guys going in there, okay? 00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.110 You know, they're going in and they're trying to figure out, 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:37.350 okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing my artist thing or whatever, 00:35:37.430 --> 00:35:39.810 but I'm like, hey, where, where's my $100 million payday? 00:35:40.090 --> 00:35:42.550 Okay? You know, and I'm not, and I'm not, I'm not begrudging them. 00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:44.570 And they're looking at international markets as well. 00:35:44.730 --> 00:35:48.930 Yes. Oh, totally. And it's a global market versus, used to be a very reduced 00:35:48.930 --> 00:35:54.390 market. And now global gross well exceeds whatever the heck you do in the U.S. as well. 00:35:54.490 --> 00:35:57.770 So that's also an important consideration for all of these movies as well. 00:35:58.030 --> 00:36:02.150 So you asked 20 minutes ago and I kind of failed to answer it. 00:36:02.250 --> 00:36:04.010 Why was I excited for this movie? 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:10.610 I mean, part of it, I think, is the social context of where we are. 00:36:10.810 --> 00:36:17.490 I wake up every day in, you know, first of all, trying hard to avoid reading 00:36:17.490 --> 00:36:20.770 the newspapers. Your slack does not help with that, by the way. 00:36:22.950 --> 00:36:26.650 And, you know, you can just wake up every day and I say to the world, 00:36:26.830 --> 00:36:28.610 I say, just give me something. 00:36:28.930 --> 00:36:33.110 Just give me something that isn't going to make me more depressed. 00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:39.670 And, you know, we can look at Man of Steel as being a kind of a response to the 9-11 era, right? 00:36:39.870 --> 00:36:46.010 Or soaked in that. I feel like Superman 2025 is and clearly was before it came 00:36:46.010 --> 00:36:52.750 out was was a response to the moment we're living in where the people with power 00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:56.490 are the worst people you could possibly imagine. 00:36:57.150 --> 00:36:59.570 And that's why I needed this movie to be good. 00:37:00.290 --> 00:37:01.070 So, right. 00:37:01.610 --> 00:37:05.450 I don't know if that's the answer you wanted before we've talked about the movie. 00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:11.250 No, but let me ask a question. Why, just, you know, cinematically and entertainment 00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:15.630 wise, what is it that you found that made this movie good? 00:37:15.750 --> 00:37:17.530 Because you're giving it a thumbs up, okay? 00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:20.210 You know, doing the reviews. You're giving it two thumbs up. 00:37:20.530 --> 00:37:25.310 What is it that, why is it that you think that this worked better than most 00:37:25.310 --> 00:37:28.450 of the other movies we just talked about? which, admittedly, we're dog shit. 00:37:29.350 --> 00:37:33.570 I'll give you—let me see if I can reduce this down. 00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:37.390 So we haven't actually talked about the individual plot beats of this movie. 00:37:37.490 --> 00:37:38.870 It might be spoilers, right? 00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:42.330 Yeah, it might be spoilers. Spoilers, and this is a relatively new movie, okay? 00:37:42.890 --> 00:37:46.610 Usually we don't, like, cover—you know, we're covering movies that were released 00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:51.710 in 1975 or something, whatever you're— And first and foremost. 00:37:51.970 --> 00:37:59.110 The writer, in this case, James Gunn, understood the assignment that we go to 00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:06.170 the movies, you know, well, I go to the movies at least, to connect to characters emotionally. 00:38:06.170 --> 00:38:12.230 And the center of this movie, right, the thrust of this movie is abstracting 00:38:12.230 --> 00:38:13.890 away all the superpower stuff. 00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:20.350 Here's a man. He has a job. He thinks he's doing that job for one reason, 00:38:20.350 --> 00:38:22.310 because he thinks he's a certain person. 00:38:22.770 --> 00:38:28.750 He finds out he is not that person. And he finds through the help of the people 00:38:28.750 --> 00:38:34.470 whom he loves and who loves him, he finds a new reason to keep doing the right thing. 00:38:34.750 --> 00:38:37.190 That to me is a powerful emotional message. 00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:43.290 And so there's that. Second, and this is very James Gunn-specific, I think, 00:38:43.790 --> 00:38:52.990 the side characters he chose to be in this movie, absolutely bull moose loony, right? 00:38:52.990 --> 00:38:57.310 Like, Green Lantern, okay, yeah, I'll buy Green Lantern. Hawkgirl, okay, maybe. 00:38:58.310 --> 00:39:03.830 Metamorpho? If you told me that you could have Metamorpho in a movie on screen 00:39:03.830 --> 00:39:10.310 and it didn't read as, like, people didn't laugh the moment he showed up on 00:39:10.310 --> 00:39:12.350 screen, I would have said that is not possible. 00:39:12.350 --> 00:39:16.710 When you put Metamorpho on screen, people are going to laugh because he looks ridiculous. 00:39:16.950 --> 00:39:20.930 Same Mr. Terrific, not that he's a laughable character, but again, 00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:27.030 he's so obscure. And so part of it was, okay, I know he can pull this off because 00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:28.690 he did it with Guardians of the Galaxy. 00:39:28.870 --> 00:39:32.190 Just to be clear, as a non— 00:39:32.590 --> 00:39:38.070 comic book dc universe follower i didn't know who most of these people were 00:39:38.070 --> 00:39:46.450 i mean i'd heard of green lantern i think maybe i would tell you i had known 00:39:46.450 --> 00:39:51.310 of the existence of hawk girl the rest of these no no no idea. 00:39:51.310 --> 00:39:54.070 None none yeah and and then 00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:56.770 the other thing about this movie that really really worked for me 00:39:56.770 --> 00:39:59.670 just on a mechanical level which is also something 00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:03.330 people complain about is the pacing there 00:40:03.330 --> 00:40:06.310 are fights there are set pieces and you know what each 00:40:06.310 --> 00:40:09.150 i didn't actually time them but like that mr 00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:12.350 terrific fight which is clearly the best the best 00:40:12.350 --> 00:40:16.490 fight in the movie the best set piece in the movie i mean if it's 90 seconds 00:40:16.490 --> 00:40:21.390 i'd be surprised they're fast you do not have the kind of the man of steel problem 00:40:21.390 --> 00:40:26.850 where you have these 10 15 minute or at least what feels like 10 15 minute slug 00:40:26.850 --> 00:40:32.170 fests the action happens and then they get back to the important part, 00:40:32.430 --> 00:40:37.530 which is Clark and Lois sitting in an apartment arguing about the political 00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:40.790 ramifications of the dumb thing, maybe dumb thing he did. 00:40:41.510 --> 00:40:46.690 And I think that's very, you know, I think it's a brave choice in a superhero movie. 00:40:46.770 --> 00:40:50.050 But more than that, I think it's a smart choice because fundamentally, 00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:55.290 there's not a lot you can do in a fight scene that's surprising. 00:40:55.770 --> 00:41:00.090 You know what a fight scene is going to happen. You know that at the end, 00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:03.290 the bad guy is going to fall from a great height and, you know, 00:41:03.370 --> 00:41:05.730 maybe be impaled on a church spire or something. 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:11.470 Yes. I mean, this is the thing that you mentioned as well in terms of like, 00:41:11.990 --> 00:41:14.930 well, there's the people who like it and then there's the people who don't. 00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:19.210 I mean, there are some folks who come to a movie like this. 00:41:19.910 --> 00:41:23.830 Specifically, that's all they want. They would be happy if it was a full two 00:41:23.830 --> 00:41:26.190 hours of nothing but the fight scenes. 00:41:26.490 --> 00:41:26.670 Yeah. 00:41:27.210 --> 00:41:29.870 Whereas, like I said, the thing that, 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.280 I get bored during those parts. 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.780 I'm like twiddling my thumbs and going, okay, when's this part going to be over 00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:38.560 and we can get back to the real movie? 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.300 But I feel like I'm probably in the minority. 00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:45.700 I also appreciated, again, from a purely mechanical standpoint, 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.900 that the movie treats the entire audience, including the kids watching it, like they're adults. 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:56.440 They don't spend 15 minutes explaining who Superman was. We all know who Superman 00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.720 was. If we are certainly in the U.S., everyone knows his story, 00:42:00.720 --> 00:42:02.500 or at least the outlines. 00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:06.220 They don't spend time over-explaining anything. In the entire movie, 00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:10.300 I could think of two instances where they kind of over-explain things. 00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:14.700 One, the bit where, you know, Mr. Terrific is like, no, no, that recording of 00:42:14.700 --> 00:42:15.800 your parents, that was real. 00:42:16.060 --> 00:42:20.620 And then the bit at the end where they kind of hang a lampshade on the Daily 00:42:20.620 --> 00:42:25.480 Planet explaining how Luther Corp's bad plan or big plan. 00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:30.300 That's it. I watched the Fantastic Four movie a couple weeks after Superman. 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.220 Oh, I've not seen it. 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:36.080 I've not seen it. I won't spoil it. It was fine. It was an absolutely standard 00:42:36.080 --> 00:42:40.120 Marvel comic book movie about Marvel's most famous team. 00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:46.260 Most people, if you don't know who the Fantastic Four is, you need like six 00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:48.460 seconds to understand them. Right? 00:42:48.540 --> 00:42:49.060 Yeah, that's true. 00:42:49.060 --> 00:42:53.500 Oh, that guy's fire. Oh, they're invisible. They spent the first 10 minutes 00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:56.720 of that movie, like, recapping their origin. 00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:59.120 And I'm like, I'm in the, like, oh, come on. 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.340 Do you really have to be doing this? 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.020 You know what? There's one thing. This is one of the few movies that I've watched 00:43:06.020 --> 00:43:09.500 over time that I did not watch this new movie. 00:43:09.700 --> 00:43:13.660 But I watched the pre, you know, they had done a Fantastic Four movie. 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.180 When the hell was it? Like 15 years ago or something like that? 00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:17.000 They've done, like, a bunch of them, yeah. 00:43:17.120 --> 00:43:20.800 You know, I actually liked that movie. And I heard a lot of people criticizing 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.240 that movie for whatever the hell reason, not liking it. And I thought it was good. 00:43:25.540 --> 00:43:29.660 I don't know what the problem was with it and why people hated it. 00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:33.080 But, you know, but go back to the Superman movie. 00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:39.600 I will say that I, very weird for me, I hadn't watched any of these recent movies. 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.740 I will say that in the end, I did like it. I think that there was just, 00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:49.060 there is something in me that I will say that I don't particularly like for 00:43:49.060 --> 00:43:54.100 whatever reason of watching Superman getting the crap beat out of him. 00:43:54.940 --> 00:43:56.660 I've heard a lot of people say this. 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:05.000 I don't, that really, I find it, I'm like, ugh, what, wait, wait, wait, wait. 00:44:05.080 --> 00:44:06.100 Why isn't he just winning? 00:44:06.740 --> 00:44:11.580 Exactly. What the hell is this shit? He's getting to beat the crap out of Lex 00:44:11.580 --> 00:44:13.820 Luthor. Lex Luthor, he's a human. 00:44:14.140 --> 00:44:18.440 The fuck is he doing this? What bullshit is this? There is that. 00:44:18.700 --> 00:44:22.040 Okay. I think that I have this visceral negative reaction. But in the end, 00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:27.760 I do agree that the entire how they pulled everything together plot wise and 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:35.240 the human elements of the story in the end, I thought it worked at the end. 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.520 I don't know if I'm going to say that it's for me. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.880 I know it's not the kind of movie that I usually go watch, but it's a movie 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:49.180 that I watched and I wound up being entertained and liking in the end. 00:44:49.180 --> 00:44:55.160 Well, I guess since we're rolling through our ratings, I'm giving this a thumbs 00:44:55.160 --> 00:44:57.520 up as well. I actually really liked it. 00:44:58.380 --> 00:45:03.600 Again, it's not, and I'll put this into the category of good, 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:08.740 fun movie that you enjoy the time you're there, as opposed to, 00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:13.140 oh my God, this should win all the awards. This is life-changing, right? It's not that. 00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:15.520 It's just a good, fun superhero movie. 00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:18.600 And then nobody's overreacting like they did. 00:45:18.740 --> 00:45:21.200 I wouldn't call this high art, you know? 00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:26.820 Yeah. It's not high art, but the things that I liked out of it. 00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:31.670 I liked that it had a good sense of humor all the way through. 00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:36.870 Like, you know, it was, it did not take itself super seriously. 00:45:37.410 --> 00:45:41.490 You know, you could, you could see, you know, some of the characters were over 00:45:41.490 --> 00:45:44.470 the top and it was okay that they were over the top. 00:45:44.790 --> 00:45:49.370 You know, you, you have Guy Gardner, the, the version of Green Lantern that's 00:45:49.370 --> 00:45:53.370 in here, you know, being an ass, but being an ass in an entertaining way. 00:45:53.450 --> 00:45:54.670 He stole the show, I think. 00:45:54.910 --> 00:45:56.070 Yeah, he was just hilarious. 00:45:57.190 --> 00:46:02.210 Well, honestly, though, I think most people I heard saying that what stole the 00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:05.430 show was crypto, the dog, you know. 00:46:05.590 --> 00:46:09.150 Like there was just I was worried there was going to be too much crypto. 00:46:09.730 --> 00:46:12.290 And it was it was I thought just the right amount. 00:46:12.850 --> 00:46:17.510 I got to admit that to me, to me, I found Mr. Terrific just absolutely hilarious. 00:46:17.510 --> 00:46:21.750 Yes, people loved Mr. Terrific, too. And this is one of those things, 00:46:21.850 --> 00:46:26.530 too, like when you come out of this, the responses were not all about Superman. 00:46:26.790 --> 00:46:29.350 They were about all of the other characters, too, right? 00:46:29.710 --> 00:46:36.510 Now, in terms of like when I saw it with my wife, my mother, and my son, okay? 00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:42.030 And I, you know, she's not here to give her thought, but I didn't feel like 00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:44.670 either one of them were super, super impressed. 00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:51.950 They were just like, okay, this is a whatever. They both mentioned the dog as a highlight for them. 00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:57.450 I did think that the dog was one place where he seemed to, I mean, 00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:01.540 I've seen some behind the scenes stuff. I know the dog was fully CGI, 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.980 but it was, it felt a little bit too obvious that the dog was fully CGI. 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:12.360 It actually felt to me like they could have taken advantage of like using a 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.020 real dog in a few scenes to like, 00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:20.340 sort of add a little bit more realism and then, you know, fill in like when 00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:23.580 it's flying or whatever, use, use CGI or whatever. 00:47:23.580 --> 00:47:33.880 But the main thing to me is that, yeah, it did—again, we keep coming back to 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.180 it. It's the emotional resonances rather than the action parts of it. 00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:43.020 And, you know, it hit me in the right places. And I know some of it is fairly 00:47:43.020 --> 00:47:45.380 obvious emotional manipulation, but whatever. 00:47:46.120 --> 00:47:51.880 I really appreciate it that in every fight scene that he's in, 00:47:53.020 --> 00:47:58.480 Superman is, except for maybe the very final one, Superman is busy protecting something. 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.740 Even the fight scene with the kaiju, he's trying to figure out, 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.940 how do I keep this thing that I'm fighting alive? 00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:10.100 Right. And that to me is a character. They took the time to show that. 00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:14.200 In fact, James Gunn talks about, like, one of the scenes that got a negative 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:17.600 audience reaction was Superman saving the squirrel. 00:48:18.080 --> 00:48:22.740 And they had taken it out. And he said, no, he has to save the squirrel because 00:48:22.740 --> 00:48:25.200 you're showing what motivates this character. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:32.360 Yeah. No. And, yeah, I think all of that, I think, worked together nicely. 00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:36.280 And the emotional and character beats are what makes it. 00:48:37.100 --> 00:48:42.320 And, you know, and, yeah, of course. Like at, at the end when he's like doing 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:48.680 the video scenes with his, watching his, his real parents, the adopted parents. Yeah. 00:48:49.350 --> 00:48:51.750 I'm starting to choke up even just talking about it now. 00:48:51.990 --> 00:48:52.350 Absolutely. 00:48:52.630 --> 00:48:53.110 Absolutely. 00:48:53.330 --> 00:48:59.570 It is emotional manipulation. For me, the thing was when Lois basically asks 00:48:59.570 --> 00:49:04.850 him, you know, why are you going to turn yourself in to save the dog? 00:49:05.550 --> 00:49:08.330 And, again, it's like he doesn't even think about it. 00:49:08.430 --> 00:49:12.710 The way he's written, he says, yeah, and he's not even really a very good dog, 00:49:12.750 --> 00:49:16.430 but he's alone and he's probably scared. And that, for me, I'm like, 00:49:16.570 --> 00:49:19.830 this is a guy who is doing the right things for the right reasons. 00:49:20.330 --> 00:49:24.310 And, you know, obviously I have to—and now in today's world, 00:49:24.310 --> 00:49:30.530 I have to go to a work of fiction in order to experience someone with power doing good things. 00:49:30.710 --> 00:49:35.290 So, you know, maybe that's why the movie means so much to me. 00:49:35.810 --> 00:49:36.290 Yeah. 00:49:36.410 --> 00:49:39.510 Yeah. Yeah. That's depressing. 00:49:41.810 --> 00:49:42.990 It's been great, folks. 00:49:43.130 --> 00:49:46.630 Thanks for— Ah, yes. 00:49:46.870 --> 00:49:52.730 So, anything else? We sort of just gave our final recap after taking a long time to get there, but. 00:49:53.970 --> 00:49:57.510 I think that's really, I mean, what else is there to say? It's a movie, 00:49:57.530 --> 00:50:00.370 and we've now done your movie segment. 00:50:00.570 --> 00:50:05.770 I feel like I've accomplished something by, now the real question will be if 00:50:05.770 --> 00:50:08.710 I can ever get you to see the movie Tempopo. 00:50:09.810 --> 00:50:10.290 Tempopo. 00:50:10.470 --> 00:50:12.530 It's on your list. I know it's on your list. 00:50:13.130 --> 00:50:14.950 I'm going to add it to the list again. 00:50:15.550 --> 00:50:18.670 Yeah, the question is, of course, like, will we see it before we, 00:50:18.770 --> 00:50:21.330 you know, we are like 90 years old is the question. 00:50:21.350 --> 00:50:23.270 Well, it's an old movie, so there's no rush. 00:50:23.470 --> 00:50:29.850 No, but my thing is that, you know, Sam was discussing his algorithm for doing 00:50:29.850 --> 00:50:34.930 things recently, which I fucking almost, you know, these algorithms have existed 00:50:34.930 --> 00:50:36.390 since we were back in college. 00:50:36.390 --> 00:50:38.690 Okay. All right. And he's changed them. 00:50:38.810 --> 00:50:41.590 Probably this list has existed since you were back in college. 00:50:42.330 --> 00:50:48.710 Not in this form not in this form but yeah but you know it's like this one yeah, 00:50:49.560 --> 00:50:52.380 that one i think right that is it 00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:55.840 you do pete the 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.960 the these kind of algorithmic decisions let 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.820 the shit happening like me all the sudden being in puerto rico 00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:04.680 working and you know this is when i had 00:51:04.680 --> 00:51:07.940 traveling when i had when i was still at the pharmacy this is after i graduated 00:51:07.940 --> 00:51:11.620 from college pharmacy at traveling you see and you know this is back when i 00:51:11.620 --> 00:51:15.820 got stacks of mail every day i had a guy that went to the post office oh you're 00:51:15.820 --> 00:51:19.760 gonna talk about my checks again yes and so so i would go and open the mail 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.080 and I get something like I had given money to Sam. 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.560 And I'm like, I wasn't expecting him to pay me back. But he would keep a ledger 00:51:26.560 --> 00:51:29.640 detailed with however much money he paid me. And he insisted he was going to 00:51:29.640 --> 00:51:30.940 pay me back in installments. 00:51:31.080 --> 00:51:34.640 And all of a sudden I would open I would get an envelope from Sam, okay? 00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:38.260 Wherever he was. Open it. And there was a check for three cents. 00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:38.940 Right. 00:51:39.180 --> 00:51:42.340 And there was a check for three cents because that's about how much his algorithm 00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:44.640 decided that he could afford to pay me. 00:51:44.700 --> 00:51:46.980 That is an extremely Sam story. 00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:50.900 And at I'm getting a fucking check for three cents, okay? 00:51:51.200 --> 00:51:55.160 Now, I will say, all those checks got deposited. 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.120 Now, the reason they got deposited is because back then, because I had a business 00:51:59.120 --> 00:52:03.980 that generated thousands and thousands of dollars in cash every day, 00:52:03.980 --> 00:52:07.160 I had somebody that went to the bank every day to make my deposits. 00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:11.340 And so, therefore, yes, I would take the fucking check, stick it into my deposit 00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:13.060 thing. I'm like, here, Marcella, here you go. 00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:16.180 Go to the bank, deposit a fucking three-cent check along with everything else. 00:52:16.180 --> 00:52:19.320 Otherwise, they probably would have not gone deposited. But yes. 00:52:19.520 --> 00:52:23.820 So this is what generates this algorithm probably for this list. 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.280 And who the hell knows when it's going to be viewed. 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.040 I mean, we may be, you know, in intensive care at some point or whatever. 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.760 And Sam will text us something. Hey, I watched Tim Popo. 00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:40.060 I'm like, and I'm like taking my oxygen mask off. Really? Finally? 00:52:41.080 --> 00:52:44.680 Hey, well, I will say, and I've said this before on the show the last time you 00:52:44.680 --> 00:52:48.660 brought this up. Two things. One, I did eventually completely pay you off. 00:52:48.660 --> 00:52:50.100 He did completely pay me off. 00:52:51.020 --> 00:52:52.160 And two— Now, however. 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:56.300 By the way, remember that this algorithm also generated a moment when he was 00:52:56.300 --> 00:52:59.500 getting evicted, and I had to send him a lot more money to stop him from getting 00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:01.900 evicted because, in a way, he was managing his cash. 00:53:03.180 --> 00:53:05.040 Did you on that one? Yes! 00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:09.200 I had to send you the fucking money to Jersey so you could go and pay him with 00:53:09.200 --> 00:53:11.480 a fucking, like— Well, here's the 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.900 thing. Some kind of certified check or something so you could get— Yeah. 00:53:14.940 --> 00:53:18.460 Well, and I paid for I paid for a lawyer and all that. We took care of it. 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:24.080 The thing was, the way I looked at it was there was a seventy five dollar late 00:53:24.080 --> 00:53:27.320 fee for paying my rent late. So I just paid it every month. 00:53:28.220 --> 00:53:35.620 And it was just as if it was a $75 more late fee. I would routinely pay one to two weeks late. 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.920 Just because that's when I got to it by my algorithm. 00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:42.200 It started dragging and dragging until they finally said, you know. 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:46.580 No, no, no. There was no dragging. I was consistently two weeks late. 00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:48.740 I was never more than a month late. 00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:49.320 They obviously. 00:53:49.700 --> 00:53:54.880 They didn't care. I was looking at it as like, you get more money every month. 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.060 Why are you complaining? 00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:02.460 And they were like, well, but it's not on time. Anyway, so the end result of that. 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.560 Sam, let me just say, I would absolutely evict you. I would 100%. 00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:14.940 I'd be like, but it's red. The data's red. You were evicting. 00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:16.860 It's red because of you. 00:54:17.780 --> 00:54:24.000 And so the end solution to this was I simply set up automated payments in Quicken 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.860 that were like a week before it was due or something and that it was taken care of. 00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:33.280 Because it's not like I didn't have the money in general. I did have the money. 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.020 I was just consistently paying late. 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.420 But sometimes what happened is that your algorithm made you misallocate your 00:54:38.420 --> 00:54:42.460 cash resources at a moment, so therefore you would pay something else first 00:54:42.460 --> 00:54:45.400 instead of prioritizing the roof over your head. 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.980 Well, when you say algorithm. 00:54:48.220 --> 00:54:54.020 Like I gots to know now. Was this, like, just your heuristics about what you 00:54:54.020 --> 00:54:56.520 pay, or did you actually, like, write a little program to, like, 00:54:56.720 --> 00:54:57.720 tell you what the payment is? 00:54:57.720 --> 00:55:01.280 Well, I did not write—well, this applies to almost everything in my life, 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.760 Pete, but I generally don't take the time to write it down. 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:14.260 But for almost every activity I do, I construct a mental algorithm that is sort 00:55:14.260 --> 00:55:18.780 of this step, this step, this step, decision point. Here's how you make the decision. 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.560 This step, this step, this step. And sometimes those are completely deterministic. 00:55:23.780 --> 00:55:26.880 Very often they involve random numbers as well that I use. 00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:30.760 Currently I use an app to pick the random numbers. 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:40.440 But for instance, if I am doing laundry, I have a defined, I have a laundry 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.140 round that certain things happen in a certain order. 00:55:44.140 --> 00:55:49.480 I have to do a certain amount of stuff. I have to do this, I have to do that, 00:55:49.640 --> 00:55:52.600 I have to do this and that, and then it ends. 00:55:52.740 --> 00:55:58.220 That particular one has no random factor other than I need to roll a certain 00:55:58.220 --> 00:56:00.660 thing in order to be doing a laundry round at all. 00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:07.680 So my weakness as a math student was that I wanted everything to be algorithms, 00:56:07.680 --> 00:56:11.680 and they give instructions on how to calculate things. And I would reach the 00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:14.720 end of my algorithm, right? 00:56:15.460 --> 00:56:20.400 And let's say for the sake of discussion, this is a ridiculous example. 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.620 Let's say I'm talking about my spending for a month, right? 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.440 I never really learned... 00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:31.980 as a child or if they tried to teach me i didn't pay attention how to estimate things, 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.380 and i never really did a kind of cross check so i 00:56:36.380 --> 00:56:42.360 do my math of what i spent this month and i end up saying oh i spent 23 or i 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:49.580 end up saying oh i spent 622 000 and at no point would i say well is is that 00:56:49.580 --> 00:56:54.800 a sensible number like do i think that maybe i mean so when you ran these algorithms 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:56.140 or maybe you still run them. 00:56:56.580 --> 00:57:01.060 Do you ever like when you're doing the laundry, like the laundry comes out and it's green? 00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:05.180 Do you like check to say like, should the laundry be green? Have I, 00:57:05.420 --> 00:57:07.940 has this algorithm led me to a good place? 00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:13.720 There are a few elements along that. One, as I'm constructing the algorithms and changing them, 00:57:14.020 --> 00:57:20.540 one of the things I do think all the time about is if I consistently use this 00:57:20.540 --> 00:57:23.540 algorithm, what does the steady state end up being? 00:57:23.540 --> 00:57:30.180 Now, I have never taken the time to actually code up a simulation and do the 00:57:30.180 --> 00:57:34.940 simulation, but I do think about, like, where will this get to? 00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:36.540 What will be the steady state? 00:57:36.680 --> 00:57:40.000 What will be the normal, you know, like, what will be the normalization? 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:45.800 And I also occasionally think about, like, okay, using this particular algorithm, 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.660 will I ever get to a completed state? 00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:51.120 And often the answer is no. Okay? 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.420 I was going to say that. The answer is no. 00:57:55.860 --> 00:58:00.360 It'll be like, okay, if I do this algorithm, like, for instance, 00:58:00.980 --> 00:58:04.220 let's just take, you know, a certain example. 00:58:04.420 --> 00:58:08.060 Like, let's say this is not an active one I'm actually doing. 00:58:08.060 --> 00:58:13.360 but let's say I had a bookshelf and I decided I was going to change the order 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.440 in which I'd sorted the books on the bookshelf. 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:22.020 So like I'd, before I'd had it by author and now I want it by publication date 00:58:22.020 --> 00:58:24.800 or something like that. Okay. Let's say I'm going to make that change. 00:58:25.060 --> 00:58:31.160 I would never say, okay, let's pull all the books off the shelf and then put 00:58:31.160 --> 00:58:35.500 them back in the right order. But instead, I would say, OK, from now on, 00:58:35.980 --> 00:58:40.000 whenever I put a book back, I'm going to put it back using the new order. 00:58:40.240 --> 00:58:43.720 And so you'll have a section of the shelf that's the new order and a section 00:58:43.720 --> 00:58:45.000 of the shelf that's the old order. 00:58:45.100 --> 00:58:49.600 I mean, if he ran a library, OK, you know, can you imagine trying to find a 00:58:49.600 --> 00:58:50.780 book at this damn library? 00:58:52.520 --> 00:58:56.860 And then I will occasionally do the mental estimate and say, OK, 00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:03.620 given that I put one book back every two weeks, it will take approximately 132 00:59:03.620 --> 00:59:10.200 years before the book the shelf is completely resorted but that that won't that 00:59:10.200 --> 00:59:13.180 won't deter me from using this is. 00:59:13.180 --> 00:59:17.080 A perfect example of how he manages things yes that's it that is exactly this is. 00:59:17.080 --> 00:59:21.960 The but but to answer your question your direct question i change these algorithms 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.240 all the time so for instance, 00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:32.740 On the laundry example, the very first stage of a laundry round for me is putting 00:59:32.740 --> 00:59:36.000 away baskets of already clean laundry. Okay? 00:59:36.560 --> 00:59:40.760 And over time, that had been in different parts of the position, 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:46.440 but it is now first because that is required to generate empty baskets that 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.100 I can then use to put the dirty laundry in. 00:59:49.100 --> 00:59:53.920 Because we have a problem that various people in the family will run the laundry 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.700 machines, but people rarely put things away. 00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:01.340 So we've got like 15 laundry baskets and lines of lined up laundry baskets, 01:00:01.640 --> 01:00:05.120 okay, of clean laundry that are waiting to be put away. 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.500 I can see that Yvonne is trying to stop himself from flying to your house to put your laundry away. 01:00:11.220 --> 01:00:15.080 By the way, you realize, well, I wouldn't do this now that he's married, 01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:18.460 but you know that I've showed up when he was single. And I basically, 01:00:18.660 --> 01:00:22.700 one time, I just fucking started cleaning the goddamn place. I just said, okay. 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:28.760 Fuck this. Yes, this has happened. But no, the point was, originally the algorithm 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:33.240 was, you know, you put away one basket and then you do the rest of the round. 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:39.400 I have found out that because people do laundry outside of my rounds sometimes, that's not enough. 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.040 So I'm now up to, like, periodically, whenever it's getting further and further 01:00:44.040 --> 01:00:49.060 behind, I change the number of baskets I have to put away before I do the rest. It's now up to four. 01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:53.240 I have to put away four baskets of laundry before I do the rest. 01:00:53.560 --> 01:01:00.240 My solution to this problem, by the way, is to throw out 14 of your 15 laundry 01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:03.060 baskets without telling anyone else in the house. 01:01:03.220 --> 01:01:07.540 I figured I'm going to solve this problem. We're going to have 40 baskets. 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:11.380 Now we don't have, now we'll always have enough baskets. Okay. 01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:17.920 You know, and look, I have definitely thought about this, but knowing our family. 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.040 What would happen is not. Throwing out the baskets or buying more baskets? 01:01:21.180 --> 01:01:26.100 No, no. Throwing out baskets. Because like the proper, like one proper algorithm 01:01:26.100 --> 01:01:32.140 here is just only have one and make sure that before you start a new load of laundry, 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:36.280 you've always put away everything from the previous load. That would make it nice and balanced. 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:40.420 I, of course, always do this every single time without fail. 01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:44.720 Look, I... Listen, Pete, let me just say this. 01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:49.760 I'm far more practical about this for the last 30 years. 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.280 Listen, I just pay somebody to do it. Fuck this shit. 01:01:52.620 --> 01:01:55.660 I got somebody that comes in here twice a week. They take care of it. 01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.300 Everything is filed, sorted, assembled. And by the way, the person I hired... 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:07.480 is as anal and actually probably more than me, which is wonderful because, 01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:14.080 I mean, she will make sure that she uses the right hangers for my clothes. 01:02:14.300 --> 01:02:17.920 Okay. I don't have someone to do my laundry anymore. 01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:20.340 They fold my underwear. 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:27.080 For a while, there was a laundromat near where I worked and it was a laundromat 01:02:27.080 --> 01:02:30.200 run by a little Chinese lady and you could do the laundry there. 01:02:30.200 --> 01:02:34.060 or you could pay her an extra dollar, drop off your clothes, and she would do it. 01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:39.640 And the most wonderful part of it was that I would bring a bag of clothes like this. 01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:40.980 It was all folded right ago. 01:02:41.560 --> 01:02:49.640 I would get back a perfect cube of clothes where the socks were folded to the same size as the jeans. 01:02:49.900 --> 01:02:52.860 And you just literally, you took the cube, you put it in a drawer, 01:02:53.060 --> 01:02:56.740 you were done. It was magical. And I have not found anyone like that. 01:02:56.740 --> 01:03:00.640 Oh, you see, that's what I have with this lady that comes over here like twice a week. 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.880 Everything, I mean, like everything is just, it's just, we found, 01:03:05.060 --> 01:03:09.780 I found, I'm like, listen, I pay this person way more than market. 01:03:09.980 --> 01:03:14.080 Because I just said, I don't, listen, you can't go anywhere. I don't care. 01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:15.660 Okay? 01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:19.720 I don't want anybody else. You need to be, you need to be here. 01:03:19.900 --> 01:03:24.040 I don't, I don't care how much, I don't, oh, you know, you need time to go pick 01:03:24.040 --> 01:03:26.040 up your kids. You get whatever you want. 01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:31.640 Yes. So anyway, to finish off the thought, yes, I am continually adjusting and 01:03:31.640 --> 01:03:35.600 tweaking the algorithms, but they are for the most part in my head. 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:40.880 But they are in my head in a completely rigid and fixed way, 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.460 other than when I explicitly change them. 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.000 Like I have to make a decision. There is no such thing for me. 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:52.300 And again, this is autism speaking. There is no such thing for me as just like 01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:57.140 doing the laundry without thinking about each individual step. 01:03:57.460 --> 01:04:03.720 Each individual step is defined and I do them in a certain order in a certain 01:04:03.720 --> 01:04:06.380 way each time until I change that. 01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:08.900 Let me ask a question. Does it now involve checking the pockets? 01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:09.940 No. 01:04:10.520 --> 01:04:15.020 Okay. So I guess the reason you don't have any more problem with pens is I guess 01:04:15.020 --> 01:04:15.980 we don't use pens anymore. 01:04:16.990 --> 01:04:18.050 We really don't. 01:04:18.250 --> 01:04:19.170 Yeah, I figured. 01:04:19.710 --> 01:04:25.450 Like, Yvonne is referring to something that when I first moved into Carnegie 01:04:25.450 --> 01:04:31.810 Mellon at Hampshire Hall, where Yvonne and I both were, within the first few weeks, 01:04:32.610 --> 01:04:37.170 I think it was probably within the first few times I did laundry there. 01:04:37.350 --> 01:04:41.470 And I just met him, like, recently. And I am as anal then as I was now. 01:04:41.610 --> 01:04:46.630 Yeah, there was. Anyway, I did laundry, and there was... 01:04:46.990 --> 01:04:53.570 a blue pen in with the laundry and all of my clothes came out with blue spots 01:04:53.570 --> 01:05:00.970 all over them and i i just wore them for the rest of the year like you know. 01:05:02.150 --> 01:05:04.590 With fucking blue wake all over them yes. 01:05:04.590 --> 01:05:09.350 I did not replace well i mean i gradually over time oh yeah place the clothes 01:05:09.350 --> 01:05:14.330 but i didn't make it i didn't i didn't go out and say oh i need all new clothes and go do that. 01:05:14.470 --> 01:05:19.130 I just continued to wear them until they gradually aged out of the cycle. 01:05:19.470 --> 01:05:23.150 And, you know, and these were permanent stains, permanent blue splotches all 01:05:23.150 --> 01:05:24.950 over like sweatshirts and things. 01:05:25.070 --> 01:05:28.470 And I was like, it looks cool. No big deal. It's, it's fine. 01:05:29.350 --> 01:05:32.350 So anyway, we need a break. 01:05:32.770 --> 01:05:39.710 We finally need this break. And then we will talk news of the day for the rest of the show. 01:05:39.850 --> 01:05:43.690 You'll cheer Pete up so much when we start talking about this. 01:05:43.830 --> 01:05:46.810 We spent like an hour or something on this stuff. 01:05:46.810 --> 01:05:48.510 I've prepared myself mentally and physically. 01:05:48.810 --> 01:05:49.290 Okay. 01:05:49.390 --> 01:05:49.630 Okay. 01:05:49.770 --> 01:05:50.010 I'm ready. 01:05:50.230 --> 01:05:53.250 Here we go. We're going to take a break. We'll be back after this. 01:07:54.260 --> 01:08:00.880 Okay, one more note about movies, just to apologize, because I had said last 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.880 week that this week we would talk about King Kong vs. 01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:06.880 Godzilla from 1962 and All About Eve from 1950. 01:08:07.260 --> 01:08:10.740 Obviously, Superman trumped that. We will deal with them some other week. 01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:11.840 No pun intended. 01:08:12.140 --> 01:08:19.160 I really like to imagine that All About Eve 420 is in the chat right now complaining 01:08:19.160 --> 01:08:21.440 that we did Superman instead. 01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:27.860 Exactly. Or, you know, Godzilla's in the chat complaining. 01:08:28.580 --> 01:08:35.380 Listen, I'm going to try to bring a news topic to try to cheer Pete up about the news. 01:08:35.440 --> 01:08:36.160 Oh, it's going to be the hands. 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:46.020 Yes, look, I put it down as, look, is Trump really getting extremely sick? 01:08:47.780 --> 01:08:56.240 because there are a lot of signs pointing that something is seriously amiss with Trump's health. 01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.900 What do you think, Sam? I know you saw the hands thing. 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.220 We've seen the ankles swelling. 01:09:03.400 --> 01:09:06.040 Many people have pointed out that the other day that he was in, 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.680 I don't know where he was sitting. I think maybe it was in the Oval Office. 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:11.140 I think that's where he was sitting. 01:09:11.380 --> 01:09:12.900 Instead of standing like he usually does. 01:09:13.060 --> 01:09:16.500 He was sitting and he was wearing his hat. And if you looked at his face, 01:09:17.100 --> 01:09:22.120 something looked really off in his face as well, okay? 01:09:22.460 --> 01:09:27.560 He really looked like his eyes were really tiny. He looked exhausted. 01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:32.440 What do you think? You think we're just grasping straws here? 01:09:35.620 --> 01:09:40.660 Look, here's my take. He does not look great for sure. 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:46.700 But I think anybody who is jumping to the conclusion that this means he's on 01:09:46.700 --> 01:09:50.380 death's door are probably reading their own optimism. 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.520 Well, I'm not saying a death's door yet. 01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:57.260 I mean, look, here's the scenario. He's 79. 01:09:58.140 --> 01:10:03.700 He has never been a particularly healthy man. He is aging. He is deteriorating. 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:05.540 That is all to be expected. 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:13.900 Now, it may well be. I've seen dozens of people online at this point speculating, 01:10:13.900 --> 01:10:16.560 you know, he's got congestive heart failure. 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:18.780 The symptoms are getting worse fast. 01:10:19.220 --> 01:10:23.760 I've seen some people being like, oh, I've had patients like this. 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:30.320 I give him months to live, you know. But I've also seen doctors saying that's 01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:37.220 completely irresponsible to try to be diagnosing that from just what you can see here. 01:10:38.160 --> 01:10:45.240 And that while certainly some patients deteriorate quickly, some hang on for 01:10:45.240 --> 01:10:48.780 years and years and years, and it could be other things. 01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:55.340 And so I feel like, yeah, is it, is it possible that he's got something seriously 01:10:55.340 --> 01:10:58.180 wrong that's getting worse fast? Absolutely. 01:10:58.790 --> 01:11:05.290 Is it also possible that this, you know, is just reading a lot into normal human 01:11:05.290 --> 01:11:08.730 aging and, you know, he'll he'll 01:11:08.730 --> 01:11:12.810 be around for another 15 years before he dies, you know, or 20 or 30. 01:11:12.830 --> 01:11:15.470 He's going to be 150 years old. You know, I don't know. 01:11:15.890 --> 01:11:19.250 Look, here's what the other thing that people have pointed out, 01:11:19.410 --> 01:11:24.010 which, by the way, I mean, you've got the you've got the hands. Okay. 01:11:24.350 --> 01:11:27.390 A few people have mentioned that one possibility could be he's getting, 01:11:27.550 --> 01:11:30.430 he's having to get regular IV treatments for some reason. 01:11:30.590 --> 01:11:33.370 Which, by the way, could also, if he's getting regular IV treatments. 01:11:33.370 --> 01:11:35.510 It seems perfectly reasonable given what we're seeing. Yeah. 01:11:35.690 --> 01:11:41.170 The most natural explanation for the patchy look of his, he's getting IV treatments. 01:11:41.170 --> 01:11:45.530 He's got bruises for the IVs and he's trying to put on the same crap he puts 01:11:45.530 --> 01:11:47.870 on his face to conceal it and he's doing a bad job. 01:11:47.870 --> 01:11:52.830 But here's the one thing that that also creates, because that explains why he's 01:11:52.830 --> 01:11:56.550 getting so swollen, because people have noticed that his fingers have been getting 01:11:56.550 --> 01:11:58.090 swollen, his ankles have been getting swollen. 01:11:58.410 --> 01:12:04.270 And that that is also if you're having to get extensive IV, one of the side 01:12:04.270 --> 01:12:06.950 effects of it is that you'll swell up. 01:12:07.430 --> 01:12:11.290 OK, I mean, if you're having to get that much in fluid, so you're covering up 01:12:11.290 --> 01:12:14.950 the hands because you're getting IV. So why the hell are you having to get that many fucking IVs? 01:12:15.090 --> 01:12:20.550 OK, number one is the question. OK, no, the thing about it is I'm not saying 01:12:20.550 --> 01:12:24.530 he's dying next week or anything, but I will say this, that for all the talk 01:12:24.530 --> 01:12:26.010 we had about fucking Biden's health. 01:12:26.150 --> 01:12:29.390 We deserve to have a little bit more about Trump than we have been. 01:12:29.490 --> 01:12:35.590 Yeah, because he is. He is. All of these things are not pointing out to anything good at all. 01:12:35.590 --> 01:12:40.550 Well, and also just, you know, for the talk we had about Biden specifically, 01:12:40.650 --> 01:12:42.570 there's also the mental state talk. 01:12:42.710 --> 01:12:49.570 Oh, my God. You know, like, he's never been great, and he's clearly getting 01:12:49.570 --> 01:12:53.510 worse in terms of a lot of that, in terms of, like, incidents of, 01:12:53.550 --> 01:12:56.990 like, him getting confused at events and going off into... 01:12:57.790 --> 01:13:02.250 stuff that makes no sense and whatever. Like I said, there's always been some 01:13:02.250 --> 01:13:04.190 of that, but it has been getting worse. 01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:11.170 I mean, what that says is the extent to which what is viewed as important, 01:13:11.170 --> 01:13:15.850 what reaches the public consciousness, uh, is really, you know, 01:13:16.350 --> 01:13:20.170 tightly, fairly tightly locked down. And that's rather depressing. 01:13:20.170 --> 01:13:28.750 And the thing is, like, there seemingly was no hesitancy to make that the conversation 01:13:28.750 --> 01:13:32.210 about Biden for months, months and months and months. 01:13:32.230 --> 01:13:33.410 I mean, about every tiny thing. 01:13:34.190 --> 01:13:37.310 And I have heard people talking about this. 01:13:37.450 --> 01:13:42.530 Obviously, you know, outside of the major media, I see lots of people on TikTok. 01:13:42.530 --> 01:13:47.350 I see lots of people on Blue Sky. I see lots of people wherever in those kinds 01:13:47.350 --> 01:13:54.070 of informal, less structured places talking about this stuff. I do see it. 01:13:54.430 --> 01:14:00.230 Right. But if they said it on NBC News, tomorrow the DOJ would be investigating them for. 01:14:00.310 --> 01:14:00.930 Yes, exactly. 01:14:01.290 --> 01:14:01.890 To take away their license. 01:14:01.970 --> 01:14:05.890 No, I have. I have seen commentary about it on MSNBC. Yes. 01:14:06.830 --> 01:14:14.430 ms now soon but fucking but but the i have seen some but even have we lost all. 01:14:14.430 --> 01:14:18.710 The branding people does nobody know how to do branding anymore what the fuck is going on. 01:14:18.710 --> 01:14:19.390 I mean. 01:14:19.390 --> 01:14:25.870 Max now we've got ms now who the hell is gonna know what the hell ms now is. 01:14:25.870 --> 01:14:28.810 Yes anyway i i 01:14:28.810 --> 01:14:31.870 have heard some but it's relatively muted it's certainly 01:14:31.870 --> 01:14:35.230 not like let's go all in on this and of course part 01:14:35.230 --> 01:14:38.070 of this like people are actually i see lots 01:14:38.070 --> 01:14:41.650 of people trying to maintain focus on the epstein stuff as 01:14:41.650 --> 01:14:44.350 as the more like one of 01:14:44.350 --> 01:14:48.230 the things that our entire media ecosystem 01:14:48.230 --> 01:14:51.190 has a really really hard time on 01:14:51.190 --> 01:14:54.070 is dealing with multiple things on the same time 01:14:54.070 --> 01:14:57.110 and this is what trump and driven by steve 01:14:57.110 --> 01:15:00.150 bannon the flood the zone with shit thing 01:15:00.150 --> 01:15:07.490 because our our whole we're so single focus minded like the the general like 01:15:07.490 --> 01:15:13.410 attention ecosystem of the united states tends to want to think about one thing 01:15:13.410 --> 01:15:17.430 at a time and like this is today's not for a very long time. 01:15:17.430 --> 01:15:17.910 By the way. 01:15:17.910 --> 01:15:23.650 Yes not for a very long time and it'll last a day or two maybe a week on the 01:15:23.650 --> 01:15:25.670 outside and then we've moved on to something else. 01:15:25.870 --> 01:15:27.890 Yeah, like, where the fuck are the Epstein files, Sam? 01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:33.950 Yes, I've heard more about that in the last few days. It's done a remarkably 01:15:33.950 --> 01:15:36.990 good job of sticking around, but even so, that's diminishing. 01:15:37.770 --> 01:15:43.150 But when you have a universe where every single day, 01:15:43.690 --> 01:15:49.670 there's like an assault of 30 or 40 things that any one of which would be significant 01:15:49.670 --> 01:15:54.810 in and of itself, we end up only being able to like, well, which one are we 01:15:54.810 --> 01:15:57.090 going to think about this week? You know? 01:15:57.610 --> 01:16:01.710 Um, I, I, I, I, you never, which one, right? Like yesterday, 01:16:01.950 --> 01:16:03.010 I don't know, I guess, you know. 01:16:04.470 --> 01:16:08.730 For example, 4.30 p.m., Ghislaine Maxwell says he never saw Trump in any inappropriate setting. 01:16:08.890 --> 01:16:13.210 Like, well, obviously, any inappropriate setting depends on what you think is 01:16:13.210 --> 01:16:14.310 appropriate. Hold her? Exactly. 01:16:14.750 --> 01:16:18.350 What the fuck? You know, talk about saying nothing about nothing, okay? 01:16:18.650 --> 01:16:22.510 The most lawyerly answers. And she said something else later that was something 01:16:22.510 --> 01:16:26.810 like, all the answers were the perfect answers that any, you know, 01:16:26.930 --> 01:16:28.730 your defense attorney would want you to give. 01:16:29.170 --> 01:16:32.330 Those are all the answers she gave. She said nothing else, okay? 01:16:32.330 --> 01:16:38.010 Well, and by the way, just to be clear, part of that is she has maintained consistently 01:16:38.010 --> 01:16:41.150 the entire time that she never saw anything inappropriate. 01:16:41.150 --> 01:16:43.590 Period. That anything inappropriate ever happened. Exactly. So that's what I think. 01:16:43.690 --> 01:16:46.570 Not just Donald Trump. Nothing inappropriate ever happened. 01:16:46.590 --> 01:16:52.790 Listen, 4.30 p.m., that shit. At 6.12, we get this thing that they want to deport 01:16:52.790 --> 01:16:56.030 Kilmar Obrego to fucking Uganda now, okay? 01:16:56.390 --> 01:17:03.950 So that was 6.12, okay? today at, let's see, at 635, Trump is saying that now 01:17:03.950 --> 01:17:07.710 he's going to investigate the tariffs on furniture. 01:17:08.010 --> 01:17:12.050 So I guess if, you know, you thought your furniture was not expensive enough, 01:17:12.670 --> 01:17:13.970 you're in for a surprise. 01:17:14.110 --> 01:17:17.650 Pete, I suggest that since you're talking about not having enough furniture, 01:17:17.870 --> 01:17:21.430 I think you better hurry up on acquiring any furniture than you need. 01:17:21.530 --> 01:17:26.150 It's on hold. I went and priced furniture and the tariffs are impacting it. 01:17:26.230 --> 01:17:31.690 I literally have a room that I'm like, I'm just going to wait until 2030 to, you know, get a couch. 01:17:31.970 --> 01:17:39.010 There you go. And then, let me see, what else? Oh, then later. Excellent news. 01:17:40.010 --> 01:17:48.350 We freaking, you know, mob pressured Intel to give up 10% of their stock to 01:17:48.350 --> 01:17:50.390 the administration. Okay? 01:17:50.930 --> 01:17:56.010 As an Intel stockholder, I legitimately want to know whether this is good or bad for me. 01:17:56.010 --> 01:18:01.950 I mean, how the hell, you know, do you go and do that? 01:18:02.230 --> 01:18:08.290 I mean, such a dilutive, you know, so quickly, you know, without what? 01:18:08.650 --> 01:18:10.710 Without a board? I mean, how the hell? 01:18:11.390 --> 01:18:14.290 How did this happen so quickly? They just like double. 01:18:14.510 --> 01:18:22.230 I mean, but but again, you want to talk about all of those moves were just yesterday afternoon. 01:18:23.230 --> 01:18:25.110 That was yesterday afternoon. 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.580 Yeah, it's just, I understand why you want to avoid the newspeak. 01:18:30.700 --> 01:18:32.960 Believe me. It's coming fast. Why the hell? 01:18:33.020 --> 01:18:33.340 I mean, it's ridiculous. 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:39.240 I'm taking, look, antacids I got here. I got, I'm fucking taking a combination 01:18:39.240 --> 01:18:43.520 of goddamn Aleve and Tylenol at the same time. I got to tell you something. 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:46.080 The alcohol works better than any of this. 01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:53.320 I, you know, I, the other day I had, we downed out at all much wine. 01:18:53.340 --> 01:18:55.340 I realized, fuck, I feel so much better now. 01:18:56.120 --> 01:19:01.300 I mean, it's, you know, it's not a joke. It's how, it's, one of the things that 01:19:01.300 --> 01:19:09.660 I say is that a lot of the American Revolution and the politics of the 1800s, the early 1800s, 01:19:09.780 --> 01:19:13.120 is readily explained when you realize that, like, 01:19:13.280 --> 01:19:19.720 most people were completely south to this, I'm not joking, most of the time. 01:19:19.940 --> 01:19:20.420 Yeah. 01:19:20.860 --> 01:19:21.280 Yeah. 01:19:21.740 --> 01:19:23.640 Yeah, throughout most of human history, right? 01:19:23.860 --> 01:19:24.180 Yeah. 01:19:24.180 --> 01:19:28.280 Yes. Well, because, you know, you couldn't get clean water. So, 01:19:28.900 --> 01:19:31.120 yeah. Alcohol. All the time. 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:38.740 But, yeah, look, I think that that's a big part of it is, like, when we say, well... 01:19:39.370 --> 01:19:44.570 If Biden had done this, they would have gotten all this attention on any one 01:19:44.570 --> 01:19:45.890 of the things you just mentioned. 01:19:46.370 --> 01:19:51.310 Well, part of the problem is this like split of attention because there's so much stuff. 01:19:51.730 --> 01:19:57.110 Another is what Pete brought up earlier. No one's afraid that if they go report 01:19:57.110 --> 01:20:02.070 on Biden's health or his mental health or he's getting old. 01:20:02.150 --> 01:20:03.230 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:20:03.230 --> 01:20:09.790 That there's going to be retaliatory action that could impact them dramatically. 01:20:10.450 --> 01:20:15.910 And so like all of, you know, Harris, when she did that interview a couple of 01:20:15.910 --> 01:20:19.950 weeks ago and was asked, like, has any of this surprised you? 01:20:20.150 --> 01:20:24.430 Her answer was none of the actions Trump has taken have surprised me. 01:20:24.650 --> 01:20:28.230 He telegraphed all of this. This is exactly what he said he was going to do. 01:20:28.390 --> 01:20:31.530 What has surprised me is all of the capitulation. 01:20:32.290 --> 01:20:32.450 Yes. 01:20:32.650 --> 01:20:39.050 And it's a huge problem because it leads to, you know, when you started talking 01:20:39.050 --> 01:20:45.710 about Trump's health, my knee-jerk reaction was, well, now it doesn't matter. 01:20:45.930 --> 01:20:49.250 It would have mattered to talk about his health before he was elected. 01:20:49.250 --> 01:20:58.350 But now these people are moving so fast to consolidate power such that it doesn't 01:20:58.350 --> 01:21:01.490 matter what the electoral situation is. 01:21:01.990 --> 01:21:05.270 What do you – in which sense do you mean? 01:21:05.410 --> 01:21:10.150 In the sense of like if Trump isn't the standard bearer that, 01:21:10.270 --> 01:21:12.670 you know, they still get – I think if. 01:21:12.670 --> 01:21:20.210 Trump had dropped dead in, you know, November of 2023, Kamala Harris had a pretty 01:21:20.210 --> 01:21:23.510 good shot of beating whoever showed up. 01:21:25.190 --> 01:21:31.230 If we have to go through four more years of this type of government destruction 01:21:31.230 --> 01:21:35.250 and centralization of authority, 01:21:35.250 --> 01:21:40.310 I don't know how anyone beats whatever loser they put up. 01:21:40.990 --> 01:21:44.490 That's what we're looking down the barrel of right now. 01:21:44.530 --> 01:21:50.170 We're seeing what's going on in Texas with the mid-cycle redistricting. 01:21:50.410 --> 01:21:55.250 We've heard that Ron DeSantis in Florida is going to jump aboard that train too. 01:21:56.030 --> 01:21:58.270 And like two or three other states are on the way out. 01:21:58.270 --> 01:22:03.210 I think that every move they've been making is essentially moving us closer 01:22:03.210 --> 01:22:09.570 to, you know, and I feel hysterical for saying it, closer to becoming a police state. 01:22:10.370 --> 01:22:14.730 And, you know, it's not something I could have imagined myself saying 10 years 01:22:14.730 --> 01:22:16.950 ago or even five years ago. 01:22:17.190 --> 01:22:22.150 You know, we've mentioned before, like the problem is one of the problems are 01:22:22.150 --> 01:22:27.630 people are looking for sort of the magic moment where the day before we're a 01:22:27.630 --> 01:22:32.150 healthy democracy and the day after we're a dictatorship slash police state. 01:22:32.310 --> 01:22:35.750 It doesn't happen that way. It's a gradual degradation. 01:22:36.310 --> 01:22:38.590 And we are well underway. 01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:41.950 I mean, what I would say to you is I have multiple people who, 01:22:42.070 --> 01:22:46.830 over the past 10 years, at various points during this administration, 01:22:47.250 --> 01:22:49.110 have noped out and left the country. 01:22:49.790 --> 01:22:57.770 And I can remember thinking to myself, well, that seems like an overreaction. 01:22:58.170 --> 01:23:01.870 And for all of those people, I'm basically looking back and saying, 01:23:02.030 --> 01:23:04.810 well, they really saw it was coming much better than I did. 01:23:05.510 --> 01:23:12.850 Well, I do think that it's a dark period, but I don't know. 01:23:13.330 --> 01:23:16.170 All these coming cycles, I do think so. 01:23:16.270 --> 01:23:20.830 But there's one thing about this, that a lot of this related to Trump is related 01:23:20.830 --> 01:23:22.310 to a cult of personality still. 01:23:22.310 --> 01:23:27.650 And one thing is that none of the people surrounding in a circle, 01:23:27.850 --> 01:23:35.370 for whatever reason, have the same weight personality-wise that he does. 01:23:35.730 --> 01:23:40.150 If he dies, it does take a substantial hit because, remember, 01:23:40.310 --> 01:23:42.430 people aren't voting for the policies. 01:23:42.550 --> 01:23:47.470 As a matter of fact, if you look at what they're doing, everybody hates it. They're voting for him. 01:23:47.930 --> 01:23:52.190 Okay? It's him. Because he's doing it. 01:23:52.310 --> 01:23:56.690 I mean, every single thing you do, what is your approval on what he's doing 01:23:56.690 --> 01:23:59.230 to the economy? We hate it. What is your approval on immigration? 01:23:59.410 --> 01:24:03.970 We hate it. What is your approval on? We hate it. If you put up a guy that doesn't 01:24:03.970 --> 01:24:09.250 have whatever the fuck these idiots find charismatic about this asshole, okay? 01:24:09.990 --> 01:24:15.130 It doesn't work is the problem, okay? It doesn't work anywhere nearly as well, okay? 01:24:15.270 --> 01:24:19.050 You put Ron DeSantis up trying to do the same shit, okay? 01:24:19.310 --> 01:24:22.330 It doesn't work the same way on an actual level. 01:24:22.330 --> 01:24:28.830 Does the party have control over what's needed to validate and verify and what's 01:24:28.830 --> 01:24:29.730 the word I'm looking for? 01:24:30.010 --> 01:24:32.690 To certify the results of the elections. 01:24:33.170 --> 01:24:41.150 I mean, that's what, you know, what I've learned here is it's not Trump, right? 01:24:41.310 --> 01:24:44.550 It's the rest of the apparatus that has coalesced around him. 01:24:44.650 --> 01:24:49.330 And if that apparatus is in charge of deciding who has won the next election, 01:24:49.870 --> 01:24:52.190 Yvonne, then I'm not sure it matters who runs. 01:24:52.550 --> 01:24:58.650 I don't know. You know, here's one thing. I am prepared for a dark period, is what I'm thinking. 01:24:58.790 --> 01:25:01.890 Look, I expect a lot of darkness, a lot of problems, a lot of things. 01:25:02.430 --> 01:25:05.890 My thing is, and maybe it's my experience with dealing with people like in different 01:25:05.890 --> 01:25:09.490 places, like I got friends, for example, had to go through military dictatorships 01:25:09.490 --> 01:25:10.770 in both Brazil and Argentina. 01:25:10.970 --> 01:25:13.870 I spent a lot of time there. It's the one thing that I found out about all of 01:25:13.870 --> 01:25:17.370 those at the day end, eventually, during a lifetime. 01:25:17.570 --> 01:25:21.030 They have a tendency to self-destruct in a certain way. 01:25:21.070 --> 01:25:27.230 In large part because they tend to, one of the big problems is a lot of the 01:25:27.230 --> 01:25:27.850 shit that they're doing. 01:25:27.850 --> 01:25:32.890 It's so much self-dealing that they are causing, they're already causing so 01:25:32.890 --> 01:25:37.670 many issues for the economy itself, okay, that eventually in a lot of these, 01:25:37.770 --> 01:25:41.470 the economic issues that they create because of their shitty policies, okay, 01:25:42.110 --> 01:25:47.210 wind up being the cracks that start like really, you know, breaking them apart. 01:25:47.390 --> 01:25:53.190 I think the problem is when you say, yeah, they end, yeah, they end. 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.780 But it can be a long time. Like some. 01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:57.220 It just. 01:25:57.920 --> 01:25:58.160 Yes. 01:25:58.320 --> 01:26:03.880 Look, listen, it all depends. Sam, but what I'm saying is it depends on what 01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:06.060 your outlook of a long time is. 01:26:06.460 --> 01:26:09.500 Well, right. OK, the thing is, if you look at these across the world, 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:13.760 certainly there are some that have only lasted a few years and they fall apart very quickly. 01:26:14.140 --> 01:26:16.960 There are others that have gone decades. I'm saying, you know. 01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:20.720 I'm saying, you know, yes, true. I mean, that that is very true. 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.340 I mean, Franco, that lasts in Spain about 30 years. You know, that is true. Okay. 01:26:25.740 --> 01:26:30.740 How long have we had the, you know, how long North Korea? You know? 01:26:31.080 --> 01:26:34.520 Well, yes, longer than that. I mean, you know. 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:42.520 You know, so, yes, the thing is, if you're lucky, the bad thing lasts for like 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.960 four years, five years. That's still pretty bad. 01:26:46.200 --> 01:26:49.240 But if you're unlucky, it might be 50 years. 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.980 Well, and then the related question. On average, they don't, 01:26:53.080 --> 01:26:58.140 on average, in a country that was a democracy, they don't last like North Korea. 01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:01.360 But maybe, yeah, I understand. 01:27:01.980 --> 01:27:05.000 That's what I'm saying. Look, I'm looking, look, I'm trying to look this. 01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:07.000 You're trying to be positive. 01:27:07.280 --> 01:27:10.000 No, no, I'm not trying to be positive. I'm trying to be realistic, 01:27:10.240 --> 01:27:15.160 okay, in terms of, okay, what has been the experience of countries that have 01:27:15.160 --> 01:27:21.660 a federal system and a democracy and how long these kind of periods have lasted. Yeah. 01:27:22.040 --> 01:27:24.400 So what would you say on average, 20 years? 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:25.960 10, 15 years. 01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:29.100 And look, we're talking a generation. 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:30.120 Yeah. 01:27:30.900 --> 01:27:32.040 You know, at least. 01:27:32.540 --> 01:27:32.760 Yeah. 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:35.500 And so, and what would you say? 01:27:35.500 --> 01:27:36.180 Don't get me wrong. 01:27:36.480 --> 01:27:37.540 I've been looking at. 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:38.160 Listen. 01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:39.680 Look, I want to say one thing. 01:27:40.020 --> 01:27:41.140 Wait, wait, wait. 01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:45.540 Okay. One important thing. even after you 01:27:45.540 --> 01:27:51.740 get to the end of that dictatorship and you resume sort of a healthier government 01:27:51.740 --> 01:27:58.340 for the country to actually recover to be at the level of health that was before 01:27:58.340 --> 01:28:02.040 is even longer just saying but. 01:28:02.040 --> 01:28:06.880 Here look what i'm saying is this i am saying that i i think that this is what we're, 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:15.580 I am saying that, and also at the same time, it brings me to remind me to get 01:28:15.580 --> 01:28:19.280 my mother today to get me my grandfather's birth certificate so I can submit 01:28:19.280 --> 01:28:21.680 my paperwork to get my EU citizenship, 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.060 which I am also planning on doing at the same time, okay? So, yes, you know. 01:28:26.860 --> 01:28:28.620 I get to- Get the escape rafts going. 01:28:29.040 --> 01:28:31.120 And then as we've talked about- Wait. 01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:36.340 Wait, importantly, we talked about this on the show. Once you have your EU citizenship, 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:37.660 Yvonne, you have to adopt me. 01:28:37.660 --> 01:28:43.500 Fuck this. Jesus Christ. I guess I'm adopting a lot of people at this point. Okay. Fair enough. 01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:44.720 Okay. Go ahead. 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:52.720 No. So anyway, so yeah, I mean, what I'm saying is that it's not a good time 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:56.660 to be a citizen in this country right now. 01:28:59.100 --> 01:29:02.520 It's awful. Well, and just to be clear. 01:29:02.820 --> 01:29:07.280 Even for the MAGA heads who think they are getting what they want. 01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:11.440 Oh, they're getting fucked. Okay? You know, it's the reason why all this polling 01:29:11.440 --> 01:29:14.820 on, like, grocery prices and everything, that they are all distraught about 01:29:14.820 --> 01:29:17.260 the fact that grocery prices are soaring. 01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:21.480 Seemingly less distraught about it than they were last July. 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:26.780 No, no, no, no. Not apparently, according to the latest polling data. 01:29:26.780 --> 01:29:29.840 they find if you see like where they're they're you 01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:33.180 know satisfaction on these issues okay it is 01:29:33.180 --> 01:29:37.840 like in the crater like right now they had been like because they went in 2022 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:43.060 they were i mean with good i mean inflation was high they were very upset that 01:29:43.060 --> 01:29:47.540 started trending down like last year but you know it hadn't been like back to 01:29:47.540 --> 01:29:51.340 like where it was like pre-covid or whatever but man, 01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:53.500 ever since trump took, 01:29:54.430 --> 01:29:58.950 took office where I think they were super optimistic, it's like collapsed. 01:29:58.950 --> 01:30:03.490 It's like one of his worst rated issues right now at this point. 01:30:04.890 --> 01:30:09.670 It's that. And, you know, the reality is that I find it so hilarious that these 01:30:09.670 --> 01:30:13.710 guys, that for the most part, according to the demographics of who voted, 01:30:13.950 --> 01:30:16.230 are the ones that can least afford it, okay? 01:30:16.990 --> 01:30:20.490 So many of them still, like, jump up and down saying, yeah, yeah, 01:30:20.610 --> 01:30:21.890 yeah, you know, whatever. And 01:30:21.890 --> 01:30:25.330 I'm like, but he's fucking you on every pocketbook issue that you want. 01:30:25.430 --> 01:30:27.850 I mean, literally this tax bill, okay? 01:30:28.210 --> 01:30:34.490 The reality is, like research just showed, the biggest money grab from the poor 01:30:34.490 --> 01:30:38.690 to the rich that this nation has ever done. 01:30:39.370 --> 01:30:46.050 I mean, literally. We took all money from the poor to give it to the wealthiest 10%. 01:30:46.050 --> 01:30:47.890 It's a cult of personality. 01:30:48.290 --> 01:30:54.250 Yes. Anyway, we've bounced around a subject, you know, but, you know, 01:30:54.310 --> 01:30:58.410 because I did start on Trump's health and obviously we went on our tangents as usual. 01:30:58.690 --> 01:31:02.570 You want to talk about something like more cheap and cheerful, like, 01:31:03.070 --> 01:31:08.870 you know, like, hey, have you noticed, for example, how Trump really that one 01:31:08.870 --> 01:31:12.490 of his main targets that they're weaponizing the government against is all the 01:31:12.490 --> 01:31:16.510 black women that are that are investigating him? And I was specifically. 01:31:16.850 --> 01:31:21.590 It's like black women or mayors. I was going to say, like, they're firing generals. 01:31:21.990 --> 01:31:27.010 They're firing every black woman in any kind of government position they find. 01:31:27.130 --> 01:31:29.630 It's got nothing to do with what they're targeting. No, no, no. 01:31:29.690 --> 01:31:34.810 But you had all these Fed governors they could go after. So who did they go after? The black woman. 01:31:35.290 --> 01:31:41.070 Yes. And the cities he's targeting all have black women mayors, 01:31:41.470 --> 01:31:43.170 you know, at least so far. 01:31:43.310 --> 01:31:43.770 Yeah. 01:31:45.430 --> 01:31:46.850 Yeah. I mean, look. 01:31:47.710 --> 01:31:53.350 Eric Adams handing out wads of cash. OK. To reporters. OK. 01:31:54.290 --> 01:31:57.530 Yes. And potato chip bags. Which apparently this is some kind of good thing. 01:31:57.650 --> 01:32:00.290 And I guess he's not worried about getting prosecuted because, 01:32:00.470 --> 01:32:02.630 you know, whatever. I mean, because he's not going to be. 01:32:02.690 --> 01:32:06.530 Do we know what brand of potato chip bag? I feel like that's relevant to this question. 01:32:06.650 --> 01:32:10.890 That's a great question. I think one of the reporters did mention what brand of potato chips was. 01:32:11.070 --> 01:32:15.090 And as a matter of fact, the reporter was like, hey, I don't need a snack. I'm fine. 01:32:15.610 --> 01:32:17.430 Because he didn't understand. 01:32:18.090 --> 01:32:21.770 You know, the guy's like going, but I'm not hungry. It's okay. 01:32:21.910 --> 01:32:23.350 No, no, no, no. Take it anyway. 01:32:23.510 --> 01:32:26.910 Take it, take it. Then they open the bag. Like, what the fuck is this? 01:32:27.390 --> 01:32:32.910 If it was me, I'd be like, I was really looking forward to getting wise sour 01:32:32.910 --> 01:32:34.850 cream and onion potato chips. 01:32:35.170 --> 01:32:40.550 And instead, there's just this money. And that would be how the story broke. I was disappointed. 01:32:40.890 --> 01:32:45.690 It was kind of. Like, the way that this person broke it, it kind of sounded like this. 01:32:45.790 --> 01:32:50.830 And they were kind of, like, refusing the snack because they weren't hungry. 01:32:53.150 --> 01:32:58.510 It's just—and then, oh, and Cuomo—and then you've got Cuomo New York saying—what 01:32:58.510 --> 01:32:59.730 did he say at a campaign rally? 01:32:59.870 --> 01:33:01.970 That Trump was going to rally to his side to make him win? 01:33:02.950 --> 01:33:04.990 He said that—I think it was a fundraiser. 01:33:05.230 --> 01:33:05.970 And a fundraiser. 01:33:05.970 --> 01:33:12.430 Like, he wasn't expecting that to, like, get out. Like he wasn't saying that at like a public event. 01:33:12.650 --> 01:33:16.310 The extent to which people, Mondani, is that his name? 01:33:16.370 --> 01:33:16.670 Mondani. 01:33:17.290 --> 01:33:23.650 He's completely unhinged this kind of sector of the Democratic Party is hilarious to me. 01:33:23.790 --> 01:33:26.270 Because like he's the mayor of New York. What's he going to do? 01:33:26.510 --> 01:33:29.470 Right? Like there's a certain amount of power he's going to have. 01:33:29.610 --> 01:33:34.810 But people are not reacting rationally to this. 01:33:35.970 --> 01:33:42.010 Listen, the whole thing, but even still, when you look at the policies that 01:33:42.010 --> 01:33:47.710 he's saying that he wants to do, it's like, what? He wants to help poor people? 01:33:48.110 --> 01:33:50.450 He wants to have them earn a living wage? 01:33:50.750 --> 01:33:53.210 I already like the guy. Why are you selling him to me? 01:33:54.510 --> 01:33:59.130 Exactly. I'm like, this is your problem? This is your big problem, okay? Okay. 01:34:01.750 --> 01:34:06.150 I don't know. It's all fucking racist. I mean, let's be clear about this. 01:34:06.390 --> 01:34:09.030 You know, just like it was with Obama. It was all fucking racist. 01:34:09.170 --> 01:34:11.830 By the way, talk about a little bit of cult of personality. 01:34:12.070 --> 01:34:16.070 Not that Obama had such a cult of personality, but there is a reason also why 01:34:16.070 --> 01:34:17.110 we've suffered since Obama, 01:34:17.150 --> 01:34:23.730 because the candidates that have come afterwards did not have the personal magnetism 01:34:23.730 --> 01:34:27.770 that Barack Obama had. That's why he was able to win. 01:34:27.770 --> 01:34:30.770 I mean, the two Democratic presidents we've had in the past, 01:34:30.850 --> 01:34:35.190 what, 25, 30 years, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, both of whom, 01:34:35.730 --> 01:34:37.170 you know, yeah, I think it's fair to say. 01:34:37.170 --> 01:34:40.050 You just forgot Biden there. The two presidents we've had. 01:34:40.330 --> 01:34:42.510 Well, you know, that case in point. 01:34:42.510 --> 01:34:43.970 Biden didn't win on magnetism. 01:34:43.990 --> 01:34:45.790 It's his fault, not mine. Yeah. 01:34:46.590 --> 01:34:49.930 Biden did not win on magnetism. Let's be clear about this. 01:34:49.930 --> 01:34:57.050 OK, Biden, Biden was a guy that guys like me who like policy like policy troubleshooters 01:34:57.050 --> 01:35:02.190 who like fixing shit love because he works like I do. 01:35:02.350 --> 01:35:06.130 OK, because I've gone to companies and gone to places and whatever, 01:35:06.130 --> 01:35:11.670 and I have fixed things that have saved companies tens of millions, 01:35:11.910 --> 01:35:14.350 hundreds of millions of dollars even. Okay. 01:35:14.530 --> 01:35:20.030 All right. And I don't go around on my LinkedIn or my whatever and like interior 01:35:20.030 --> 01:35:24.290 going with all these metals saying, look at how I saved the company, 01:35:24.490 --> 01:35:27.510 the body, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I'm just doing my job. 01:35:27.990 --> 01:35:29.450 You got a very raw deal. 01:35:30.270 --> 01:35:30.530 Yeah. 01:35:31.290 --> 01:35:35.330 Anyway, back to your point, though. Charisma matters. 01:35:35.790 --> 01:35:40.890 Yes. By the way, which is why maybe, and I know that people, 01:35:41.210 --> 01:35:45.010 a lot of people, although I see a lot of people turning, which is what maybe 01:35:45.010 --> 01:35:48.450 this whole Newsom thing probably works. 01:35:49.330 --> 01:35:53.570 And I'll tell you why the hell it also works, because this is something that 01:35:53.570 --> 01:35:55.030 Trump cannot go against. 01:35:55.450 --> 01:35:57.770 You know what? Newsom's a handsome looking guy. 01:35:58.210 --> 01:36:04.710 And this gets under Trump's skin in a way that he can't get around. 01:36:04.710 --> 01:36:09.510 The other day, they were showing a picture of, like, Newsom in, like, high school. 01:36:09.690 --> 01:36:12.890 How he was dressed. Very suave. Okay? 01:36:13.990 --> 01:36:21.310 Versus Vance in high school. And the juxtaposition, I mean, Vance looked like some, like a dweeb. 01:36:21.610 --> 01:36:26.130 Like he is. Okay? He just looked like a dweeb. Versus, and this, but this kind of shit. 01:36:27.700 --> 01:36:31.360 Do you know how much under the skin it gets into all these MAGA people, 01:36:31.540 --> 01:36:34.340 all these women, especially the ones that are doing the MAGA, 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:38.840 you know, the Mar-a-Lago look and whatever and all of this shit, you know, 01:36:39.580 --> 01:36:49.560 it is to them, it's got to be one of the things that probably drives them most crazy. 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.160 Well, I think Newsom is a man without any moral center whatsoever. 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:59.720 He has the potential to be in another world. He could be as bad as Trump. 01:37:00.120 --> 01:37:04.520 In the world we live in, if you gave me a rotting pile of garbage and said, 01:37:04.620 --> 01:37:08.820 would you like this for president instead of Trump, I'd say rotting pile of garbage. 01:37:08.820 --> 01:37:10.560 Listen, I would have voted for a corpse. 01:37:11.340 --> 01:37:17.260 Yeah. Didn't Newsom used to date one of the big Trump- No. 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:22.740 Newsom was with- I think actually- Kim Goffoil. 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:28.180 Goffoil, yeah. You know, yeah, it was- But by the way, have you seen the before 01:37:28.180 --> 01:37:29.960 and after pictures of- Terrifying. 01:37:30.320 --> 01:37:32.500 Or with Newsom and now? 01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:37.160 It's like one of these things that you're just like, what in God's name happened? 01:37:37.540 --> 01:37:40.220 Okay, all right? It's like they went to like- It's mystifying. 01:37:40.220 --> 01:37:46.480 They went to a, it's like she went to a lab and got like morphed into some other thing. 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:51.640 I mean, I think they have, they must have some thing at the Mar-a-Lago spa where 01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:55.920 they just go and like fill them up with fillers, lip fillers, 01:37:56.060 --> 01:38:00.460 whatever, and they come out on the other side of the production line and they look like this. 01:38:01.340 --> 01:38:06.040 Yeah, so I mean, I've said this before, I'll say it again. 01:38:06.860 --> 01:38:10.260 Some of what Newsom has been doing recently is quite effective. 01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:18.080 I, I hope somebody else emerges before we get to 2028 who is just as effective. 01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:20.540 I'm not saying like. 01:38:20.820 --> 01:38:23.940 I got to tell you something. I don't think. Let me tell you something. 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:28.260 Seeing the timidity that everybody else is having about this. 01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:29.060 This is the problem. 01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:30.100 Except Pritzker. 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:31.520 Except Pritzker. 01:38:32.700 --> 01:38:35.620 Pritzker and AOC are the other ones that come up all the time. 01:38:35.660 --> 01:38:38.420 That's it. That's your only three that have had like. And I mean, 01:38:38.460 --> 01:38:40.080 I would say Bernie, but Bernie's too old. 01:38:40.460 --> 01:38:44.020 Yeah. maybe you get a uh maybe you get a ticket or 01:38:44.020 --> 01:38:47.080 something yeah uh but but i 01:38:47.080 --> 01:38:50.240 i think the other thing that i've 01:38:50.240 --> 01:38:58.640 been saying repeatedly is like being out and doing stuff now is gonna like i'm 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:03.720 i'm gonna remember that by the time we get closer to the election it's like 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:08.720 the people who show up only after the midterms and start then, 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.520 my immediate thought is, where the fuck were you? 01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:12.420 Exactly. 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.560 You know, we needed you back then, you know? 01:39:16.300 --> 01:39:20.900 And I recognize some of these people aren't in positions where they can do a lot. 01:39:21.280 --> 01:39:26.820 But when you are completely in the minority and you don't have any levers of 01:39:26.820 --> 01:39:34.780 power, just being out there speaking and being loud and being angry matters. 01:39:35.080 --> 01:39:39.900 I mean, you know, hell, people are talking about fucking Jon Stewart just because 01:39:39.900 --> 01:39:42.680 he's, like, talking about stuff. 01:39:43.080 --> 01:39:46.100 You know, now, I'm not sure that would be a great choice, and he's repeatedly 01:39:46.100 --> 01:39:46.980 said he's not interested. 01:39:46.980 --> 01:39:48.080 I'm sure that would be a terrible choice. 01:39:49.080 --> 01:39:53.540 Yeah, probably not. But you know what? Honestly... 01:39:54.900 --> 01:39:58.200 Why would that be a terrible choice compared to Trump? 01:39:58.420 --> 01:40:03.940 First of all, he's Jewish. And I don't think America is ready for Jewish president. 01:40:04.040 --> 01:40:05.620 I say that as a Jewish guy. 01:40:05.620 --> 01:40:06.280 Yeah, no, I know. 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:09.180 I don't think it would, don't think it could happen. Second of all, 01:40:09.260 --> 01:40:11.960 he has a very New York Jewish accent. 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:17.440 Three quarters of the country just freaking hates that, you know, 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:19.280 and is not going to put up on it. 01:40:19.280 --> 01:40:23.940 And third of all, I think that it takes, you know, 01:40:24.100 --> 01:40:31.000 a certain level of bloodthirstiness, of being willing to go for the throat to 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:35.800 combat fascists, and I don't think Jon Stewart has that. 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:39.940 The other thing I've heard criticism of him on is he's got a little bit too 01:40:39.940 --> 01:40:42.700 much of the pucks on both their houses tendency. 01:40:44.040 --> 01:40:49.400 Although, frankly, I think that is something that actually resonates with the public right now. 01:40:49.540 --> 01:40:52.420 It's not like the Democrats are popular right now. They've got their lowest 01:40:52.420 --> 01:40:54.960 approval ratings ever, you know? 01:40:55.240 --> 01:40:59.220 So, but anyway, I wasn't seriously suggesting Jon Stewart. 01:40:59.360 --> 01:41:05.180 My point was just that his name is brought up because he's one of the ones that's being loud now. 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:11.520 And I think that is critically important. Like, I know the standard thing and 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:16.940 Democrats have this whole like we we play by the way things have always been. 01:41:17.100 --> 01:41:21.740 We play by the rules. And one of those rules is the presidential election doesn't 01:41:21.740 --> 01:41:23.280 start until after the midterms. 01:41:24.020 --> 01:41:28.460 That's bullshit. Well, I got to be honest, but, but I'm sorry, 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.120 but Newsom is already running. 01:41:30.300 --> 01:41:30.780 Oh, yeah. 01:41:31.020 --> 01:41:31.800 Like he's running for president. 01:41:31.820 --> 01:41:35.660 I mean, he's fucking campaign commercials. The videos he's putting out. 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:36.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:41:36.200 --> 01:41:38.040 It's like, those are campaign commercials. 01:41:38.320 --> 01:41:40.260 He's like, fuck this shit. He's already running for president. 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:41.800 And by the way, I think that's the right call. 01:41:42.240 --> 01:41:47.320 Yeah. No, I think more people should be. Like, my criticism here, 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:52.820 I've never really liked Newsom, but my criticism here is not of Newsom. 01:41:53.280 --> 01:41:56.160 It's that why the fuck aren't more people doing this? 01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:59.880 Listen, here's the one thing that people need to get over about this, OK? 01:42:01.420 --> 01:42:05.460 Listen, Newsom, if you're trying to pick the ideal candidate, 01:42:05.820 --> 01:42:11.840 OK, all right, of the people that I've seen like in the Democrats like right 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:12.860 now, the governors or whatever. 01:42:13.400 --> 01:42:16.080 You know, look, my favorite is Kamala. 01:42:16.810 --> 01:42:19.830 here's the one thing that he but the the 01:42:19.830 --> 01:42:22.690 thing is a even though i 01:42:22.690 --> 01:42:26.330 know that people say no he's like kind of like trying to be on on on everybody's 01:42:26.330 --> 01:42:29.510 side look you look at his tracker he's been a democrat consistently he's been 01:42:29.510 --> 01:42:33.250 mayor of cities his policies for the for the most part have been on the right 01:42:33.250 --> 01:42:37.650 side of doing things i'm talking about newsom a newsom about newsom okay his 01:42:37.650 --> 01:42:40.250 policies have been all that's not gonna know that i said that kamala would be 01:42:40.250 --> 01:42:41.830 my favorite candidate Oh. 01:42:41.850 --> 01:42:45.590 But, okay. And now you're talking about, okay, I got confused. I'm dumb. 01:42:45.750 --> 01:42:49.010 No, no, no. It's okay. And I talk fast, so that works. 01:42:49.210 --> 01:42:53.630 But, you know, Newsom has been, for the most part, in the right side of policies. 01:42:53.790 --> 01:42:56.010 Yeah, he said a couple of things I maybe disagree with, but whatever. 01:42:56.450 --> 01:43:01.550 He has never been somebody that has been like a Republican that all of a sudden 01:43:01.550 --> 01:43:05.630 turned a Democrat, say like Michael Bloomberg, for example, or even like that. 01:43:05.630 --> 01:43:09.750 So in that sense, look, he's been on that side of the ledger consistently for 01:43:09.750 --> 01:43:12.370 a long time, doing public service for many years. 01:43:12.530 --> 01:43:16.490 And like somebody pointed out, this guy actually comes from a rich family. 01:43:16.490 --> 01:43:19.150 If he just wanted to be some rich asshole sitting around somewhere, 01:43:19.190 --> 01:43:22.190 he could be doing a whole bunch of shit that is, you know, probably, 01:43:22.330 --> 01:43:25.490 you know, that he could be doing instead of this. 01:43:25.490 --> 01:43:30.190 You know, and I haven't seen him be doing this for a grift either, 01:43:30.410 --> 01:43:34.770 like totally, like for most part, like like most other fucking Republicans are 01:43:34.770 --> 01:43:37.110 doing everything right now as a grift, you know. 01:43:37.510 --> 01:43:40.510 So so those are the things that I'm like looking at this. And oh, 01:43:40.590 --> 01:43:46.390 by the way, sorry, but he is the only guy that is going out there actively doing 01:43:46.390 --> 01:43:48.550 what you need to fucking do. 01:43:48.670 --> 01:43:49.150 All right, Yvonne. 01:43:49.490 --> 01:43:49.850 How about this? 01:43:50.210 --> 01:43:53.690 All right, Yvonne. One of these guys is president tomorrow. You get to pick. 01:43:53.890 --> 01:43:56.750 There's no election. You're not thinking about electoral party. 01:43:57.190 --> 01:44:00.050 You got Newsom or Pritzker? Newsom or Pritzker? 01:44:00.170 --> 01:44:00.970 I would pick Pritzker. 01:44:01.330 --> 01:44:02.670 Okay. Why? 01:44:03.310 --> 01:44:07.350 Because I think Pritzker is more thoughtful in policy itself. 01:44:07.350 --> 01:44:13.970 I think that Pritzker is, in terms of being a policy person and how to implement 01:44:13.970 --> 01:44:20.190 it and how to do things at the ground level, is more aligned with what I like. 01:44:20.190 --> 01:44:23.030 It's why I like Biden, for God's sakes. Okay? 01:44:23.650 --> 01:44:29.630 But right now, my focus is get these assholes off the fucking thing. 01:44:29.630 --> 01:44:33.870 And he may not be the right person for that right now. So I need somebody that 01:44:33.870 --> 01:44:35.570 can go and fucking win right now. 01:44:35.710 --> 01:44:41.930 You need a Newsom Pritzker ticket and then Newsom resigns the day after he wins. 01:44:43.590 --> 01:44:44.990 So, nope. 01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:50.240 But what, Yvonne, what you've said is precisely the way I've been thinking about. 01:44:50.340 --> 01:44:53.680 The old white guy ticket. Hey, if that's what it takes to win right now. 01:44:53.780 --> 01:44:54.340 Fuck this shit. 01:44:54.340 --> 01:44:54.580 If that's what it takes. 01:44:54.720 --> 01:45:00.500 I'm sorry. I'm beaten like a dog. I'm just, you know, whatever gets us out of this period. 01:45:00.660 --> 01:45:05.520 I tried the white woman that I loved. She didn't win. I tried the black woman and she didn't win. 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.860 They fucking like, you know, they chased off my favorite white guy, 01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:12.060 okay, that I had to do what the fuck they're doing because they called him old, 01:45:12.060 --> 01:45:16.940 okay? So yes, like right now, give me an all fucking white guy ticket to go 01:45:16.940 --> 01:45:18.120 beat these motherfuckers. 01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:22.520 This is what my approach has been the last couple of elections, frankly. 01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:26.360 Like when I do the election graph stuff and I'm looking at it, 01:45:26.580 --> 01:45:31.440 I've said, for instance, like last time around, I was, not last time, 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.380 two times ago, I was a Kamala Harris fan, 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:38.600 but then it became clear, looking at the general election polls, 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:43.360 that Biden did better against Trump than anybody else. 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:44.700 Else! Yes! 01:45:44.860 --> 01:45:48.860 Better than Sanders, better than Buttigieg, better than Harris, 01:45:49.200 --> 01:45:51.680 better than all of those other people who are running. 01:45:52.100 --> 01:45:52.180 Yep. 01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:58.060 And so I'm like, you know, Biden might not have been my direct choice as the 01:45:58.060 --> 01:46:01.160 candidate I preferred that I would love to have as president, 01:46:01.940 --> 01:46:07.060 but he's got the best shot of winning. And that's the only thing I care about right now. 01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:11.180 Because, you know, the alternative is so bad. 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:16.780 You know, and that's been my thought process the last few elections. 01:46:16.820 --> 01:46:19.120 And I think it's going to be again. 01:46:19.340 --> 01:46:24.120 Let me tell you something. In 2020, everybody kept saying that Biden couldn't win. 01:46:24.620 --> 01:46:27.720 Biden couldn't win the primary. Biden couldn't win the thing. Biden could win. 01:46:28.980 --> 01:46:33.080 Okay. Everything was supposedly stacked against him and he won. 01:46:33.280 --> 01:46:36.380 And I will tell you this, that right now I know that everybody's shitting on 01:46:36.380 --> 01:46:39.540 like whatever Biden shouldn't have stayed. He should have bought out blah, 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:40.960 blah, blah. Let me tell you something. 01:46:41.540 --> 01:46:47.560 The whole fucking thing about how many people couldn't vote for a black woman. Black and a woman. 01:46:48.320 --> 01:46:52.640 Can I tell you that I really think in retrospect that if Biden is state, 01:46:52.660 --> 01:46:54.820 he had a still better shot at winning than Kamala? 01:46:55.360 --> 01:46:58.120 Yeah, I don't think so. Like, from my life... 01:46:58.120 --> 01:47:01.440 Bullshit! No, no, no. I'm going to tell you why. 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:05.260 You, again, like everybody here in this country for the last 20 years, 01:47:05.500 --> 01:47:09.000 underestimate the racism and sexism in this fucking country. 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:13.460 No, I don't underestimate that at all. I just flat out, like, 01:47:13.660 --> 01:47:22.940 when Harris took over, her numbers were instantly five to seven points better than Biden. 01:47:23.180 --> 01:47:25.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what? Yeah. 01:47:26.120 --> 01:47:27.320 And that's, you know what? 01:47:28.020 --> 01:47:32.520 This is like the surge that people get when they get, you know, 01:47:32.620 --> 01:47:37.980 the happiness when they get that toy that all of a sudden they got during Christmas. 01:47:37.980 --> 01:47:40.560 And then three months later, they don't play with their fucking PlayStation 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.400 again because they forgot about it. OK. 01:47:43.780 --> 01:47:48.360 And yes, people got their toy and all of a sudden, yeah, we're excited or whatever. 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.760 And then three months later, what the fuck happened? Yeah. Yeah. 01:47:52.180 --> 01:47:57.580 Yeah. Now, I can see that. But I think by the time we got to the candidate switch 01:47:57.580 --> 01:48:00.120 out, Biden was too damaged. 01:48:00.340 --> 01:48:01.140 Let me tell you something. 01:48:01.380 --> 01:48:02.200 I do not think he would. 01:48:02.260 --> 01:48:05.640 I'm going to say I'm going to call back and I'm going to say bullshit and I'm 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:10.220 going to tell you why. because if it had been a Republican in the same shoes 01:48:10.220 --> 01:48:12.500 what the fuck would they have done? 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:15.620 Do you think they would have Trump would have bowed out? 01:48:15.780 --> 01:48:19.300 They would have propped his corpse up with a stick up his back. 01:48:19.340 --> 01:48:19.820 And powered through it. 01:48:20.020 --> 01:48:20.380 Yes. 01:48:21.120 --> 01:48:26.480 And powered through it. Just like Trump did when that stupid fucking Hollywood 01:48:26.480 --> 01:48:32.300 you know access Hollywood tape came out in October which was going to destroy 01:48:32.300 --> 01:48:35.420 him when they were trying to pull him out. 01:48:36.220 --> 01:48:39.420 I agree with you entirely that Republicans would have... 01:48:39.420 --> 01:48:45.960 No, no, no. The people voting for Democrats have a fucking loser mentality. 01:48:46.320 --> 01:48:48.960 I'm telling you this right now. This is what I was going to say. 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:54.120 The Democrats would never have rallied behind Biden the way you just described 01:48:54.120 --> 01:48:54.880 the Republicans. But that's the problem. 01:48:55.460 --> 01:49:03.500 The problem. But Sam, the problem was that the people in leadership in the Democratic 01:49:03.500 --> 01:49:05.740 Party that at that moment immediately, 01:49:06.140 --> 01:49:11.680 what they had to do is, I don't give a shit if we're carrying Biden's corpse to November. 01:49:12.160 --> 01:49:16.640 We're fucking carrying that fucking corpse to November come hell or hard water. What do they do? 01:49:17.420 --> 01:49:19.560 turned them on a dime yeah. 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:22.680 I think it's i think i think in retrospect 01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:25.480 i think that's correct i i'm not willing 01:49:25.480 --> 01:49:28.520 to say i don't have the certainty that you 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:34.440 have yvonne that that would have turned the turn the game but i think i said 01:49:34.440 --> 01:49:38.720 you and i talked a lot during that period i think i said it's got nothing to 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:47.120 do with who with what horse you're replacing mid-race replacing a horse mid-race is bad. 01:49:47.820 --> 01:49:53.280 Well, I think the key is I'm evaluating with, as of the point that Kamala took 01:49:53.280 --> 01:49:56.060 over, but Biden was already damaged there. 01:49:56.220 --> 01:50:01.720 Your counter hypothetical is if the Nancy Pelosi's and George Clooney's of the 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:03.740 world had never done what they did. 01:50:04.040 --> 01:50:04.220 Right. 01:50:04.980 --> 01:50:09.920 And I think that's a different scenario. Yeah, like if there had been unity 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:11.740 behind Biden from the beginning. 01:50:12.900 --> 01:50:16.940 That's an entirely different situation. And that's what I'm talking about. 01:50:17.280 --> 01:50:20.860 It's that the moment that whatever the hell happened, happened. 01:50:21.300 --> 01:50:25.380 All of these people needed to like, well, whatever. It is what it is. We're carrying. 01:50:25.540 --> 01:50:29.300 I don't care if he's a corpse or fucking carrying it. We're carrying him across the finish line. 01:50:29.820 --> 01:50:34.420 Period. That's it. And these fuckers, what they did is fuck everybody. 01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:43.380 Okay, so enough retrospective. We're running up on time, but any other things 01:50:43.380 --> 01:50:45.400 on our bullet list we want to make sure to hit? 01:50:45.620 --> 01:50:48.760 We had the whole Trump-Zelensky thing this week. 01:50:48.900 --> 01:50:51.340 Well, Trump just said today that apparently he's giving up. 01:50:52.400 --> 01:50:53.940 Oh, was there new stuff this morning? 01:50:54.080 --> 01:50:57.820 There was something here that says Trump. I saw a headline scroll saying Trump 01:50:57.820 --> 01:51:03.180 right now is kind of like, you know, giving up Trump, giving up on this thing. 01:51:03.420 --> 01:51:06.300 That was something. Let me see if I can find the headline. 01:51:06.420 --> 01:51:10.920 He kept saying the next step is getting his trilateral meeting. 01:51:11.180 --> 01:51:12.980 Yeah. And Trump and Trump. 01:51:13.360 --> 01:51:16.500 Putin was basically like, yeah, that's not happening. I'm not talking to that 01:51:16.500 --> 01:51:20.140 guy. What are you talking about? No, he's not a legitimate president of anything. 01:51:20.540 --> 01:51:24.760 Ah, let's see. He has something today. Russia's noncommittal. 01:51:25.180 --> 01:51:28.960 There was something that I said that Trump was, I can't find a headliner. 01:51:29.080 --> 01:51:31.220 And I said that Trump is like kind of tired and just doesn't, 01:51:31.320 --> 01:51:33.580 you know, he's like giving up on this thing right now. 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:38.140 I think this is, this is, this is Trump overall. 01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:43.360 And I think it's Trump more often now, but he wants the quick win. 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:44.200 Yes. 01:51:44.340 --> 01:51:47.560 He expected to go to Alaska, shake Putin's hand and have a deal. 01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:53.280 So does giving up mean he's giving up on, I mean, do we continue to send arms 01:51:53.280 --> 01:51:56.940 to Ukraine? Do we block European attempts to support them? 01:51:57.240 --> 01:52:00.860 I mean, you know, is he basically losing interest in wandering away? 01:52:00.860 --> 01:52:04.080 I think he's losing interest right now for a bit. 01:52:04.140 --> 01:52:08.980 Like, if he doesn't get a quick win, then he wants to move on to something else. 01:52:09.120 --> 01:52:09.880 He's just going to ignore it. 01:52:09.940 --> 01:52:13.980 He said his two weeks thing again. Oh, we'll resolve this in two weeks. 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:19.200 I think he's going to do, like, somebody, I can't remember who told me this 01:52:19.200 --> 01:52:20.280 the first time I heard it. 01:52:20.340 --> 01:52:24.000 He's going to treat it like a teen pregnancy. He's going to just wish it away. 01:52:26.380 --> 01:52:30.540 The thing is, like, he just likes a teen pregnancy. 01:52:30.860 --> 01:52:34.840 He wants to wish it away, but there are certain things that keep coming back anyway. 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:41.640 Like the Abstein stuff is going to be here. The Ukraine stuff will be there. 01:52:41.820 --> 01:52:44.260 He's going to play in the big game next weekend. 01:52:45.380 --> 01:52:45.780 Yes. 01:52:46.380 --> 01:52:50.540 Yeah. But it's what happens with a teen pregnancy. You wish it away for a couple 01:52:50.540 --> 01:52:54.680 of weeks, and then you realize it comes back. And you're like, oh, fuck. Come on. 01:52:55.410 --> 01:52:58.990 This war's still going on, really. He's still got to go to class. 01:53:01.930 --> 01:53:10.630 He has lived his entire life with the idea that he can sort of warp reality 01:53:10.630 --> 01:53:13.230 around him. He can say things. 01:53:13.330 --> 01:53:15.050 Pretty good evidence for it, you know? 01:53:15.170 --> 01:53:15.650 Oh, yeah. 01:53:15.850 --> 01:53:16.290 Yes! 01:53:16.430 --> 01:53:21.390 It's worked. It's worked. But, you know, basically, like, all he has to do is say something. 01:53:21.610 --> 01:53:25.010 Doesn't matter if it's true. Doesn't matter if it's not. and it either becomes 01:53:25.010 --> 01:53:27.110 true or it stops mattering. 01:53:27.190 --> 01:53:34.490 And that he can influence how people think of things even if the reality is different. 01:53:34.710 --> 01:53:39.950 And as you said, it's worked. It's worked incredibly well for him. 01:53:40.070 --> 01:53:47.290 For 79 years he's done this. And he's president of the fucking United States. 01:53:47.750 --> 01:53:49.990 And he's richer than he's ever been. 01:53:49.990 --> 01:53:53.410 Let me tell you something. I still to this 01:53:53.550 --> 01:53:57.430 day rue the fact that when i was god 01:53:57.430 --> 01:54:01.410 i must have been 12 or 13 12 very young 01:54:01.410 --> 01:54:04.510 my father my father occasionally would 01:54:04.510 --> 01:54:07.290 take me to new york city okay all right my father used to 01:54:07.290 --> 01:54:11.790 go loved go to new york city we would be i mean sometimes we'll go and take 01:54:11.790 --> 01:54:15.950 the morning flight out of san juan to go shopping literally in new york city 01:54:15.950 --> 01:54:19.450 and then we would come back in the in the night in the night I still remember 01:54:19.450 --> 01:54:25.210 that one of these times he took me and he specifically wanted to go to Trump Tower. Okay. 01:54:26.150 --> 01:54:31.730 And I should have, you know, when I saw all the, I still remember this. 01:54:32.030 --> 01:54:36.570 Okay. When I went there and I wrote that stupid golden escalator. 01:54:36.850 --> 01:54:39.470 Okay. All right. That they went down. 01:54:40.950 --> 01:54:46.470 I kind of like my whole thing, man, this thing all seems so tacky. 01:54:46.610 --> 01:54:49.270 I got to, I got to interrupt you right now. I'm saying this, 01:54:50.380 --> 01:54:55.840 Have you seen what this tasteless motherfucker has done to the White House? I mean, the Oval Office. 01:54:56.900 --> 01:55:01.820 Oh, my God. It's the worst thing. 01:55:02.200 --> 01:55:02.880 Wait till you see the ballroom. 01:55:02.940 --> 01:55:05.000 And he's tearing down the building and extension. 01:55:05.360 --> 01:55:07.760 Oh, my God. It is just. 01:55:08.100 --> 01:55:12.240 I want the new president, whoever he is, to do two things. 01:55:12.400 --> 01:55:17.040 Day one, knock down the White House. Day two, fire everyone associated with 01:55:17.040 --> 01:55:18.880 ICE and shut the agency down. 01:55:19.140 --> 01:55:19.640 Oh, yeah. 01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:26.420 For anyone who tells me they're doing that. Maybe you could reverse those and shut the ice on day one. 01:55:27.860 --> 01:55:31.160 Oh, my God. Listen, by the way, you know what? No, no, no, no, 01:55:31.280 --> 01:55:34.420 no, no. That is a perfect interruption. Listen, you know what they should do? 01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:35.780 We should do like an event. 01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:38.540 I'm going to interrupt you one more time. And for those of you on my live stream 01:55:38.540 --> 01:55:42.640 coming back on my recording, coming back just after I censored that bit, 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:44.440 it was really, really great. 01:55:44.440 --> 01:55:50.100 and you should go to the Curmudgeon's Corner podcast to hear the unedited and 01:55:50.100 --> 01:55:52.940 unexpurgated version. Please continue. 01:55:52.980 --> 01:55:56.860 By the way, I do think that there should be some kind of community event where 01:55:56.860 --> 01:55:59.440 we go over there and we get given jackhammers so we can like fuck. 01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:03.420 I want to drill up that damn cement that he put on the Rose Garden. 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:05.780 And I want everybody, I would pay. 01:56:06.140 --> 01:56:11.220 I would pay money to go, give me a damn jackhammer. I'll pay $1,000. 01:56:11.320 --> 01:56:16.140 I'll donate $1,000 to Habitat for Humanity so I can get a jackhammer and be 01:56:16.140 --> 01:56:18.240 able to frickin' drill part of that cement out. 01:56:19.140 --> 01:56:24.120 Yeah. It's like everything he's been doing. 01:56:24.380 --> 01:56:29.040 I mean, like, in the grand scheme of importance, redecorating the White House 01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:33.740 is at the bottom, but in terms of the symbolism of the stuff and that he's just 01:56:33.740 --> 01:56:37.760 trashing everything, it just shows it all off. 01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:43.560 And it's that and, like, the shenanigans with Air Force One from the paint scheme 01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:45.820 to the one he's getting from Qatar or whatever. 01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:51.500 You know, the good news about all those three fucking planes is that you realize 01:56:51.500 --> 01:56:54.620 it'll probably be dead and not be able to have flown a single one of them. 01:56:56.200 --> 01:57:00.320 Between the two ones that we were building before and the Qatari one because 01:57:00.320 --> 01:57:05.800 there's the idea that they could somehow retrofit one that they got now that 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:10.300 already had an interior built that was like whatever and they could retrofit 01:57:10.300 --> 01:57:14.340 it faster and the other two that they're building is just so stupid. 01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:20.100 Well, one thing that I would find extremely amusing is if they retrofit the Qatari plane. 01:57:20.820 --> 01:57:24.380 And as part of the retrofit, in order to meet the security requirements, 01:57:24.400 --> 01:57:26.820 they have to make the interior the same as the other two. 01:57:27.120 --> 01:57:30.360 And of course, what he liked about the plane is it was all full of this gold 01:57:30.360 --> 01:57:32.600 shit, like he's doing the White House. That's right. 01:57:32.980 --> 01:57:37.560 And so he wouldn't get what he wants. I don't know. Anyway, but are we done? 01:57:37.820 --> 01:57:39.540 Yeah, we're done. We're done. 01:57:39.540 --> 01:57:39.740 Okay. 01:57:40.580 --> 01:57:41.900 Stick a dick in it. Yeah. 01:57:42.500 --> 01:57:45.720 I think I'm going to have to go watch downstairs and watch Superman two or three 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.320 more times to recover from all this politics. 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:51.740 Okay, so before— Wait. 01:57:51.740 --> 01:57:55.220 Wait, listen. Mission Impossible—if you've not watched Mission Impossible, 01:57:55.360 --> 01:57:56.880 The Final Reckoning, okay. 01:57:57.080 --> 01:57:57.320 All right? 01:57:58.140 --> 01:58:02.280 It's available on Apple TV already. I will tell you this. 01:58:02.420 --> 01:58:06.640 You want a story about—you talked about the same thing about somebody doing 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:08.780 the right thing. Watch that. 01:58:09.040 --> 01:58:11.460 Mission Impossible, Final Reckoning. I will check it out. 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:16.280 Yes. Okay, so before I give the plug to our website and all that kind of stuff, 01:58:16.420 --> 01:58:18.340 Pete, you want to plug your stuff? 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.840 Sure. It's a YouTube channel called Tea Leaves Programming. 01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:26.820 And if you just search for the word tea, the word leaves and programming, it should come right up. 01:58:27.540 --> 01:58:28.100 There you go. 01:58:28.160 --> 01:58:33.100 I mostly talk about nerd stuff, video games, retro games, computers, 01:58:33.380 --> 01:58:34.860 programming, stuff like that. 01:58:35.020 --> 01:58:38.160 Occasionally accounting, really gripping, gripping stuff. 01:58:38.820 --> 01:58:42.160 Ooh, accounting. Oh, Jesus, I'm tingling. 01:58:43.260 --> 01:58:46.020 We'd love to have you over there. So come on over. Yeah. 01:58:46.020 --> 01:58:51.440 Okay. And so for my side, curmudgeons-corner.com, you guys know the drill. 01:58:51.940 --> 01:58:56.880 There's all our archives, links to all the ways to contact us, all that kind of stuff. 01:58:56.900 --> 01:59:00.080 I still have not linked to TikTok. 01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:07.760 I did want to mention just briefly that I'm still behind on posting TikTok clips of this show. 01:59:07.760 --> 01:59:15.760 But this week, one of the TikTok clips that I posted got a strike as a community 01:59:15.760 --> 01:59:19.160 violation at TikTok for misinformation. 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:23.920 And I was going to have it prepared so I could play that clip here again, 01:59:24.100 --> 01:59:27.060 but I didn't actually get it prepared. 01:59:27.380 --> 01:59:31.980 The bottom line is, at the end of it, I said something like, 01:59:32.120 --> 01:59:37.060 I was quoting, I think, I forget who I was quoting. 01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:44.980 I heard somebody say online that all of this stuff with how Donald Trump is 01:59:44.980 --> 01:59:49.000 behaving with regard to the Epstein stuff, You know, 01:59:49.100 --> 01:59:53.460 beforehand, I thought he probably really wasn't involved and hadn't done that 01:59:53.460 --> 01:59:54.260 stuff, blah, blah, blah. 01:59:54.440 --> 02:00:00.620 But now, given how he's reacting, I'm starting to think he actually framed Epstein 02:00:00.620 --> 02:00:03.320 and he's the one who is running the child sex trafficking ring. 02:00:03.480 --> 02:00:06.700 Oh, so that was stricken. Oh, my God. 02:00:06.820 --> 02:00:11.060 And I'm like, I'm not even appealing it. I'm like, OK, I was quoting somebody 02:00:11.060 --> 02:00:12.780 else. I was laughing about it. 02:00:12.780 --> 02:00:18.540 It was your thought and opinion, not a factual statement. 02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.760 Yeah, I know. But I look at it and I'm like, okay. 02:00:22.100 --> 02:00:25.880 But I'm not even going to appeal. I just posted something else. 02:00:26.060 --> 02:00:29.520 But I've got a strike on me now for a commodity violation. 02:00:30.280 --> 02:00:34.220 Apparently, if I get more, they can shut me down. You know, whatever. 02:00:35.380 --> 02:00:41.040 So go to TikTok on the Curmudgeons Corner account. You can see these other clips. 02:00:41.060 --> 02:00:42.760 I'm slowly catching up. I have not linked to it. 02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:43.680 Do you have any dances yet? 02:00:43.820 --> 02:00:49.140 On our website yet. Oh, since you asked, not on the Curmudgeon's Corner account, 02:00:49.300 --> 02:00:56.940 but last night, Alex made me do one on my actual, on my Samuel Minter TikTok. 02:00:58.280 --> 02:01:03.020 Now, interestingly enough, he just sort of put the camera at me and was like, 02:01:03.160 --> 02:01:04.980 you need to dance or whatever. 02:01:05.280 --> 02:01:08.940 So, of course, I did something incredibly stupid looking. 02:01:09.520 --> 02:01:14.700 He found it hilarious. we added the music later so i wasn't dancing to some 02:01:14.700 --> 02:01:19.840 particular music and it was barely a dance i made like a couple of i stared 02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:23.800 at the camera for a few seconds and then i made some comical moves, 02:01:24.480 --> 02:01:28.660 and and then we added music afterwards from one of the trending tick-tock well. 02:01:28.660 --> 02:01:33.640 I'm not dancing anytime soon because i i'll tell you this that you went to ub40 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:37.760 concert and we actually went to a club over at the Hard Rock like afterwards. 02:01:37.820 --> 02:01:40.140 I can't dance right now. It hurts. 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:45.980 I tried to dance a little bit. I realized at the concert, all of a sudden I 02:01:45.980 --> 02:01:48.800 sat down, what happened? I'm like, my muscle hurts. I can't dance. 02:01:49.900 --> 02:01:53.780 I'll tell you my dance now has 42 views and two likes. 02:01:54.420 --> 02:02:00.220 So it needs some love. Go in there. You know, pay attention to it. 02:02:00.340 --> 02:02:02.660 Share it. You know, all kinds of other stuff. 02:02:03.280 --> 02:02:08.080 Well, I got our one thing from our Slack to share. Okay, by the way. 02:02:08.400 --> 02:02:12.480 Okay, well, let me finish. I have to say the Patreon bit. 02:02:13.220 --> 02:02:18.120 Also on curmudgeon-corner.com is a link to our Patreon where you can give us 02:02:18.120 --> 02:02:20.500 money. Patreon is set up as a great payment. 02:02:20.500 --> 02:02:21.840 I've heard people send mugs, too. 02:02:22.280 --> 02:02:27.100 Well, I was just saying, Pete here doesn't like Patreon for various reasons, 02:02:27.280 --> 02:02:29.500 but he has donated a couple times his one-offs. 02:02:29.740 --> 02:02:29.840 I don't like subscriptions. 02:02:30.260 --> 02:02:33.180 Yeah, well, that makes sense. I don't like subscriptions either. 02:02:33.780 --> 02:02:36.380 You know, and— I fucking subscribe to everything. 02:02:36.380 --> 02:02:38.400 For God's sakes. I'm like, Jesus Christ, I like him. 02:02:38.400 --> 02:02:42.000 He has donated one-offs a couple of times and gotten a couple mugs. 02:02:42.100 --> 02:02:44.560 One thing I was telling my wife lately is she was like asking, 02:02:44.680 --> 02:02:47.340 so what—you know, I know that you read so much right now. 02:02:47.380 --> 02:02:50.640 What did you do when you were doing it? Look, at my house, we were subscribed 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:53.160 to every fucking magazine in the history of mankind. 02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:57.640 I mean, you know, the stacks, the amount of magazines. 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:02.700 I mean, every news magazine you could get. You know, we just had, 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:04.740 and in the bathroom, oh, read in the bathroom? 02:03:04.840 --> 02:03:08.800 In the bathroom door, these massive stacks of magazines, newspapers. 02:03:09.060 --> 02:03:11.840 There was just always something to read. 02:03:12.740 --> 02:03:16.960 Well, I was not a fan of Reader's Digest because of a lot of those stuff, whatever. No, no, no. 02:03:17.340 --> 02:03:22.120 Get me. I want all the fucking magazines all of them I mean we literally subscribe 02:03:22.120 --> 02:03:24.500 to I can't imagine how much money 02:03:24.500 --> 02:03:27.480 in like today's dollars we have to be spending on getting all that shit. 02:03:28.280 --> 02:03:33.100 Anyway you can go to our Patreon give us money at various levels we will send 02:03:33.100 --> 02:03:35.820 you a postcard Yvonne mailed the postcards I. 02:03:35.820 --> 02:03:37.400 Mailed the postcards yes. 02:03:37.400 --> 02:03:42.020 We will mention you on the show we will ring a bell we will send you a mug and 02:03:42.020 --> 02:03:47.680 by the way like I have had enough requests now that I am I am going to set it 02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:49.840 up so that you can just buy a mug. 02:03:50.080 --> 02:03:52.980 That'd be cool because I might buy an extra mug. Here you go. 02:03:53.140 --> 02:03:57.920 Yeah. Like I actually, I have it set up on Zazzle already. I just have to add 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:00.760 the link to the Curmudgeon's Corner site. I'll do it at some point. 02:04:00.860 --> 02:04:01.040 Cool. 02:04:01.260 --> 02:04:04.400 But anyway, yeah. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. 02:04:04.580 --> 02:04:08.320 Oh, and importantly, at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us, 02:04:08.460 --> 02:04:12.720 we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and Pete 02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:15.900 and a whole bunch of other folks are chatting throughout the week, 02:04:16.120 --> 02:04:18.120 sharing interesting links, all of that kind of stuff. 02:04:18.240 --> 02:04:22.280 So, Yvonne, now, what is your prepared link that you want to highlight that 02:04:22.280 --> 02:04:25.000 is on the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack, but we have not talked about it? 02:04:25.020 --> 02:04:30.220 Sam shared an excellent thing that I'm trying to see if somebody in the Trump administration, 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:36.740 can sell to the president, which is MIT Technology Review, a startup is pitching 02:04:36.740 --> 02:04:40.900 a mind-uploading service that is 100% fatal. 02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:43.360 Didn't we talk about that last week? 02:04:43.360 --> 02:04:45.100 No, I don't think no. 02:04:45.280 --> 02:04:47.780 I swear I've seen this sci-fi movie at least three times. 02:04:48.140 --> 02:04:52.740 Netcom will preserve your brain, but you have to be euthanized first. 02:04:53.640 --> 02:04:55.400 How about that? Huh? 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:58.200 I am pretty sure we did mention that last. 02:04:58.200 --> 02:04:59.340 I don't think so. 02:04:59.580 --> 02:05:00.520 I could be wrong. 02:05:00.640 --> 02:05:04.600 I looked through it. It doesn't look like it was, you know, or maybe we did. 02:05:04.740 --> 02:05:06.760 Who knows? But that's the first one. 02:05:06.980 --> 02:05:08.380 It's so good you wanted to mention it again. 02:05:08.580 --> 02:05:11.480 Indeed. Yes. It could be. I just looked. 02:05:11.600 --> 02:05:14.300 I was looking through the material we had, and that was the one that popped 02:05:14.300 --> 02:05:18.240 up to me as the most interesting one at this point, I think, for two weeks in a row. 02:05:18.380 --> 02:05:21.940 Because, I mean, is anybody really interested right now on, I mean, 02:05:22.120 --> 02:05:28.980 is it funny that FireWire support is being dropped in the new macOS version. 02:05:29.160 --> 02:05:32.020 I mean, I know I haven't had a FireWire device in a long time. 02:05:32.180 --> 02:05:37.060 Okay, that's one. But I'm sure somebody out there is trying to sync their original 02:05:37.060 --> 02:05:39.280 iPod. But I know mine died. 02:05:39.480 --> 02:05:43.600 Somebody will build a third-party adapter solution thing, box, whatever. 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:47.940 There was also, Sam also created, I was complaining that ChatGPT, 02:05:48.180 --> 02:05:51.480 I tried to have it create a flyer, and it was like whack-a-mole. 02:05:51.480 --> 02:05:54.460 because every time I asked it to fix something on the flyer, 02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:56.300 it would fuck up five other things. 02:05:56.580 --> 02:06:00.980 It was like, it feels like formatting in Microsoft Word sometimes and you're 02:06:00.980 --> 02:06:05.520 trying to move margins and everything just moves all the wrong directions. But it was worse. 02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:08.860 I'm like, okay, just add the phone number. And then it got rid of seven. 02:06:08.980 --> 02:06:12.180 I didn't say get rid of all the other shit. I said, just add the fucking phone 02:06:12.180 --> 02:06:13.840 number, you stupid AI client. 02:06:14.300 --> 02:06:19.200 Anyway, you know, by the way, AI helps, but sometimes it's stupid. 02:06:19.380 --> 02:06:21.660 Okay. I don't know what the hell the thing is. 02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:25.720 What other thing was in here? Well, you didn't mention that. I don't know. 02:06:26.420 --> 02:06:32.720 I produced the poster in response to that. And ChatGPT got it right on the first 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:34.120 shot about your whack-a-mole event. 02:06:34.580 --> 02:06:38.460 Yes, a whack-a-mole contest. I guess the one last thing that I shared that this 02:06:38.460 --> 02:06:42.400 one was hilarious is I saw, you know, what I observed as one of these, 02:06:42.420 --> 02:06:44.880 like, traffic stops of, like, beat-up pickup trucks. 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:52.980 Like right now, we seem to be the new, you know, how are we going to catch immigrants? Very simple. 02:06:53.580 --> 02:06:57.020 If you see a pickup truck and there's a Hispanic-looking guy driving, 02:06:57.240 --> 02:06:58.080 you're getting pulled over. 02:06:58.080 --> 02:07:01.700 They're just going to park near Home Depot's at 6 a.m. and arrest everybody. 02:07:01.700 --> 02:07:04.140 No, no, no, no, no, no. But it's just driving around the airport. 02:07:04.280 --> 02:07:08.080 And what they're doing is, hey, you see around a neighborhood, 02:07:08.260 --> 02:07:10.380 you know, some guy in a beat-up pickup truck that looks Hispanic? 02:07:10.540 --> 02:07:13.000 Well, call ICE. You know, they got it. 02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:18.300 That's a— Hey, racial profiling is making a comeback. I mean, what the hell, man? 02:07:18.900 --> 02:07:22.680 Listen, we need a misogyny making a comeback. We need racial profiling to make a comeback. 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:24.940 You know, I don't know. 02:07:26.080 --> 02:07:28.860 People dying, you know, without health care, making a comeback, 02:07:29.120 --> 02:07:31.540 starving people. Hey, war. 02:07:31.740 --> 02:07:34.280 Way to end things on an up note, Yvonne. 02:07:35.480 --> 02:07:39.440 Positivity. Listen, I'm going to have a drink this afternoon. 02:07:39.460 --> 02:07:42.840 So I'm getting psyched up for this, like right now. 02:07:45.700 --> 02:07:49.160 Yvonne, Sam, thank you so much for having me on your show. I really appreciate it. 02:07:49.660 --> 02:07:53.520 We appreciate your participation. if you want to end on an. 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:57.160 If you want to end on an up note again Yvonne you can you can mention like. 02:07:58.040 --> 02:08:02.420 I'm gonna say I'm gonna say an up note up note Pete look I'm gonna I think I'm 02:08:02.420 --> 02:08:07.400 gonna drag Sam next year we're gonna fucking wind up making a pilgrimage to Pittsburgh all. 02:08:07.400 --> 02:08:09.000 Right well look forward to seeing you. 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:13.260 I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna have to drag a few people I think it's it's 02:08:13.260 --> 02:08:18.120 been long enough you know there's a couple of people there we need to we need 02:08:18.120 --> 02:08:22.020 to make it up for like you know like when they do reunion shit or whatever. 02:08:22.320 --> 02:08:25.160 We will get all the salads with french fries on them that you can eat. 02:08:25.540 --> 02:08:27.660 Oh, there you go. Perfect. All right. 02:08:27.800 --> 02:08:31.360 Okay. Okay, we're done. Thank you, everybody. Have a great week. 02:08:32.040 --> 02:08:36.480 Have fun. Not too much fun. Stay safe. All of that kind of stuff. 02:08:37.200 --> 02:08:43.900 And we'll be back next week. Well, Yvonne and I will be. Pete will probably not be with us next week. 02:08:44.040 --> 02:08:46.740 Pete will have some more hammering going on in his place. 02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:50.520 Welcome next time you have something to say or always welcome as a co-host. 02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:52.580 Well, I'll tell you next summer... 02:08:53.200 --> 02:08:58.160 Supergirl, the movie Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, which was the best comic book 02:08:58.160 --> 02:09:00.940 of the past 10 years, is being made into a movie. 02:09:01.240 --> 02:09:03.880 And I have high hopes. So maybe we'll talk about it then. 02:09:04.420 --> 02:09:08.580 Which was the movie that Warner Brothers, like, torpedoed? Batgirl. 02:09:08.580 --> 02:09:09.420 I thought it was Supergirl. 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:10.980 Oh, it was Batgirl. 02:09:11.220 --> 02:09:17.660 No one's seen it that I know of. But Peter Safran, who is James Gunn's co-CEO, 02:09:17.960 --> 02:09:22.400 co-studio head of DC Studios, whose judgment I generally trust. 02:09:22.400 --> 02:09:26.880 he's a pretty reserved guy, said he saw a cut and it was, like, 02:09:27.100 --> 02:09:29.480 unwatchable. He said it was not selling. 02:09:30.460 --> 02:09:35.040 So the word on the street was that it had nothing to do with the movie. 02:09:35.160 --> 02:09:37.660 They just killed it for the tax rebate or whatever. 02:09:38.480 --> 02:09:41.440 But who knows? But it seems that the movie was really bad, so therefore might 02:09:41.440 --> 02:09:45.480 as well. If it's going to be a box office bomb, instead of that, why don't we think that? 02:09:45.480 --> 02:09:48.580 For a studio, I had to say that. I mean, you're burning a bridge with whoever 02:09:48.580 --> 02:09:52.900 worked on that movie to say that. So I got to imagine that he would have looked at it. 02:09:53.240 --> 02:09:57.600 Given recent trends, this is one of those things where they'll say that now, 02:09:57.740 --> 02:09:59.000 but they'll save it in the vault. 02:09:59.240 --> 02:10:03.340 And like 20, 25 years from now, they'll pull it out and put something. 02:10:03.380 --> 02:10:07.220 Okay. I got one for you. You guys can cut this out of the podcast if you like. 02:10:07.880 --> 02:10:13.240 I just got to tell you this story. You mentioned the Donner cut of Superman 2. 02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:16.180 We watched this in our Superman marathon. 02:10:17.060 --> 02:10:20.340 And now part of it is the guy's working with a limited amount of footage. 02:10:20.540 --> 02:10:24.960 But you might remember the subplot in Superman 2 where Clark, 02:10:25.260 --> 02:10:27.180 Superman, gives up his powers. 02:10:27.500 --> 02:10:30.360 And he's at a diner somewhere in Canada. 02:10:30.840 --> 02:10:35.620 And some local drunk tough kicks his butt. 02:10:36.180 --> 02:10:36.760 Yeah, yeah. 02:10:36.760 --> 02:10:41.260 And then at the end of Superman 2, he shows up at the diner again as Clark and 02:10:41.260 --> 02:10:43.460 basically beats the guy up. 02:10:43.760 --> 02:10:46.200 So in Superman 2, the Donner cut. Thank you. 02:10:47.040 --> 02:10:50.900 They go back to the well from Superman 1, where something bad happens, 02:10:50.900 --> 02:10:56.040 and Superman turns back time by flying around the wall. They did it again, right? 02:10:56.260 --> 02:10:56.540 Okay. 02:10:56.780 --> 02:11:00.760 So they do that. They've turned back time, resolved everything, 02:11:00.800 --> 02:11:06.980 and then Superman shows up at the diner and beats the living stuffing out of this guy. 02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:12.860 Which means that this is a movie where Superman walks into a diner, 02:11:13.040 --> 02:11:16.140 walks up to a guy who has done nothing wrong to him. 02:11:17.120 --> 02:11:17.480 Yes. 02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:18.640 And just beats him up. 02:11:19.860 --> 02:11:21.060 Right, because he undid. 02:11:21.120 --> 02:11:23.180 Because he undid it. Yeah, I hate that movie. 02:11:23.420 --> 02:11:23.780 Ah. 02:11:24.180 --> 02:11:27.340 That's why I say don't watch a daughter. All right. Thank you, Sam. I'm going to try it. 02:11:27.340 --> 02:11:31.960 Okay, we're out of here. We're playing the outro now. Goodbye. 02:11:33.060 --> 02:11:33.420 Goodbye. 02:11:47.040 --> 02:11:54.060 Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, hold on. 02:12:04.940 --> 02:12:08.780 Okay, now I'll hit stop for real. Hopefully his is all retained properly. 02:12:08.780 --> 02:12:12.580 It usually is. I'm going to hit stop. Bye. 02:12:13.100 --> 02:12:14.800 All right. Stop. Stop. 02:12:17.040 --> 02:12:17.500 Thank you.