WEBVTT

00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:01.210
<v Sam>Greetings.

00:00:02.710 --> 00:00:03.430
<v Ivan>Salutations.

00:00:04.390 --> 00:00:06.530
<v Sam>Okay, shall we start?

00:00:07.210 --> 00:00:08.110
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:00:09.350 --> 00:00:34.410
<v Sam>Okay, here it goes. Transcription

00:00:34.410 --> 00:00:34.410
<v Sam>by CastingWords

00:00:34.430 --> 00:00:37.310
<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday,

00:00:37.630 --> 00:00:40.390
<v Sam>August 9th, 2025.

00:00:41.030 --> 00:00:46.390
<v Sam>It is just seconds after 2UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Menter.

00:00:46.510 --> 00:00:47.690
<v Sam>Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne.

00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:48.890
<v Ivan>Hi.

00:00:49.610 --> 00:00:51.910
<v Sam>You sound so enthused today.

00:00:52.730 --> 00:00:55.070
<v Ivan>Hi. Yeah.

00:00:56.570 --> 00:01:00.130
<v Sam>You having a great time? You're, you're, you're pumped up.

00:01:00.250 --> 00:01:12.550
<v Ivan>You're, you know, I, I'm, I'm a little bit of loss for words to describe how I feel.

00:01:12.670 --> 00:01:18.290
<v Ivan>Not sure exactly why I even feel like this at this moment.

00:01:18.290 --> 00:01:27.330
<v Ivan>It's not, well, a lot of things have happened, but I, I don't know.

00:01:27.330 --> 00:01:32.090
<v Ivan>No, it's just, there's just, is the life thing, news things,

00:01:32.490 --> 00:01:33.810
<v Ivan>just general. Everything, everything.

00:01:34.230 --> 00:01:38.470
<v Ivan>It's just, but we've had this, I think here is the main thing.

00:01:38.930 --> 00:01:39.570
<v Sam>Yes.

00:01:39.990 --> 00:01:47.790
<v Ivan>That we have, you know, our days sometimes can get very lengthy with a lot of

00:01:47.790 --> 00:01:50.370
<v Ivan>things going on and so forth and so on.

00:01:50.490 --> 00:01:57.290
<v Ivan>And they get kind of tiring. I mean, if I, last Friday, I felt exhausted, like by noon.

00:01:57.790 --> 00:02:03.690
<v Ivan>I also, well, one thing that's not helping is that I strained,

00:02:03.930 --> 00:02:07.210
<v Ivan>I have an abdominal strain.

00:02:07.370 --> 00:02:09.350
<v Ivan>It's a muscular strain.

00:02:09.650 --> 00:02:09.990
<v Sam>Okay.

00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:16.970
<v Ivan>Not, okay, which at first I thought that maybe could have been diverticulitis

00:02:16.970 --> 00:02:19.150
<v Ivan>or the pain was. I wasn't sure.

00:02:19.430 --> 00:02:22.150
<v Ivan>Because you had that before. Or intestinal, right.

00:02:22.570 --> 00:02:27.970
<v Ivan>But I thought for a bit, but then I realized this pain is not the same. This is not intestinal.

00:02:28.430 --> 00:02:31.850
<v Ivan>I'm noticing that the pain is in the same location, but it's only happening

00:02:31.850 --> 00:02:33.030
<v Ivan>when I'm like standing up.

00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:38.970
<v Ivan>And standing up in a way that I'm using my abdominal muscle, like when I'm in bed.

00:02:40.020 --> 00:02:45.860
<v Ivan>Okay. That was like the worst. And so I noticed that if I stood up very gently,

00:02:45.860 --> 00:02:48.500
<v Ivan>it wasn't happening. I went to the doctor.

00:02:49.420 --> 00:02:53.840
<v Ivan>My doctor was a little bit out of sorts.

00:02:54.300 --> 00:02:58.480
<v Ivan>I realized after, I mean, but he did, you know, check me and he said,

00:02:58.660 --> 00:03:03.360
<v Ivan>look, this doesn't feel like the verdiculitis, but I'm going to send you to get a CT scan anyway.

00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.880
<v Ivan>Thing is my CT scan wound up getting canceled because they, the doctor hadn't

00:03:08.880 --> 00:03:11.560
<v Ivan>sent the notes. They didn't get the approval, blah, blah, blah.

00:03:12.040 --> 00:03:16.500
<v Ivan>But he was doing that as a precaution because it felt like it was muscular.

00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:23.120
<v Ivan>We felt, you know, it looked like I did it where I felt like I had a little

00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.460
<v Ivan>twinge there in my lower abdomen.

00:03:26.320 --> 00:03:31.000
<v Ivan>And then on Saturday, the workout that I did at where I go to Orange Theory

00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:37.240
<v Ivan>Fitness involved quite a lot of sit-ups, a lot of sit-ups which aggravated.

00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:38.360
<v Sam>Whatever issue you had.

00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.300
<v Ivan>Yes so make doing quite a

00:03:41.300 --> 00:03:44.100
<v Ivan>lot of sit-ups and i just the problem is i thought

00:03:44.100 --> 00:03:49.640
<v Ivan>it was gastro my my soreness there so i'm like eh whatever i'll do a ton of

00:03:49.640 --> 00:03:54.560
<v Ivan>sit-ups right wrong that was bad really

00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:02.620
<v Ivan>bad not good okay so i've had this underlying like malaise and pain,

00:04:02.760 --> 00:04:05.060
<v Ivan>which has been getting better. I've been resting.

00:04:05.380 --> 00:04:10.360
<v Ivan>It's all I can do. It's all I can do for this. Rest. Not much else to do.

00:04:11.540 --> 00:04:17.480
<v Ivan>And then it's just that we live right now in this era where there is just this

00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:25.740
<v Ivan>constant drumbeat of annoying shit happening in the news every fucking day.

00:04:26.260 --> 00:04:27.860
<v Ivan>And it's every fucking day.

00:04:27.860 --> 00:04:34.780
<v Sam>So what you're saying is your body is reacting badly to the general stress of life in 2020.

00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:39.980
<v Ivan>Well, no, I don't know if it's, no, I'm not saying that that was my body's reaction to it.

00:04:40.060 --> 00:04:43.500
<v Ivan>What I'm saying is you're asking me, why am I feeling like blah?

00:04:43.760 --> 00:04:45.880
<v Ivan>And then some other annoying shit.

00:04:46.300 --> 00:04:49.620
<v Ivan>Exactly. You've got this constant drumbeat underneath.

00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:55.200
<v Ivan>I've got my abs that I got my damn lower abdominal that's like hurting.

00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.360
<v Ivan>And then some annoying shit happened. and whatever and

00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:03.060
<v Ivan>so it and then i'm tired because i feel i mean i like you know this afternoon

00:05:03.060 --> 00:05:09.900
<v Ivan>i got to like two o'clock and i'm feeling fucking just exhausted already um

00:05:09.900 --> 00:05:18.000
<v Ivan>so it's just so by the time i'm getting now to like 10 o'clock eastern i'm just feeling,

00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:24.660
<v Ivan>And then I just saw some guy that had a football game on, and apparently they

00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:28.600
<v Ivan>suspended the football game because some guy apparently got really badly hurt.

00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:34.180
<v Ivan>Like, you know, bad enough that, you know, they stopped the game. Bad enough.

00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:35.220
<v Sam>Right.

00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:36.680
<v Ivan>So that wasn't uplifting.

00:05:37.880 --> 00:05:39.640
<v Sam>Yeah. And, you know.

00:05:39.880 --> 00:05:43.380
<v Ivan>I mean, look, which part is worse, okay?

00:05:43.380 --> 00:05:47.720
<v Ivan>Hey, you know, the ice raids, the alligator Alcatraz,

00:05:48.280 --> 00:05:54.400
<v Ivan>the stupid president that we've got that's just tariff this tariff that I had,

00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:59.580
<v Ivan>uh, you know, my, my, you know, somebody was telling me a story about ice showing

00:05:59.580 --> 00:06:02.160
<v Ivan>up at some condo, like, uh,

00:06:02.460 --> 00:06:06.160
<v Ivan>you know, like about five, 10 miles away and how they were worried.

00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.500
<v Ivan>Well, actually, I'm not even sure it's totally ice. It was a big police presence.

00:06:10.080 --> 00:06:13.340
<v Ivan>The suspicion was it was ice. I don't know. They were arresting.

00:06:13.420 --> 00:06:18.080
<v Ivan>It looks like they were trying to arrest some maintenance guy or some stupid shit.

00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.860
<v Ivan>And they show up with, like, 15 police cars.

00:06:21.580 --> 00:06:26.420
<v Ivan>Like, you know, they're arresting. You know, it's some nonviolent dude.

00:06:26.740 --> 00:06:32.260
<v Ivan>And they're going at it like, you know, we're picking up Osama bin Laden or something.

00:06:32.960 --> 00:06:33.500
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

00:06:34.180 --> 00:06:38.480
<v Ivan>You know, and I'm sorry to tell you that that whole thing about that shooting

00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.020
<v Ivan>in Atlanta wasn't exactly uplifting either.

00:06:41.440 --> 00:06:45.760
<v Ivan>You went and you actually you got ahead of me. I was like, I was thinking of texting our.

00:06:45.900 --> 00:06:52.500
<v Sam>So just for our listeners, Friday evening, early afternoon, evening, whatever.

00:06:53.100 --> 00:06:59.460
<v Sam>There was an active shooter on sort of Emory University slash CDC.

00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:00.680
<v Sam>They're right next to each other.

00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:01.800
<v Ivan>They're right next to each other.

00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:08.100
<v Sam>And it, as it turns out, I think it's all like settled now, but they, uh, the shooter's dead.

00:07:08.440 --> 00:07:11.620
<v Sam>The shooter's dead. It's all taken care of whatever.

00:07:11.660 --> 00:07:16.780
<v Sam>But apparently he was specifically targeting the CDC seemingly because he thinks

00:07:16.780 --> 00:07:19.080
<v Sam>the COVID vaccine made him sick. Something like that.

00:07:19.340 --> 00:07:21.680
<v Ivan>Yeah. Great. You know, and anyway.

00:07:21.740 --> 00:07:24.260
<v Sam>A friend of ours, Kathy, who, uh.

00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.640
<v Ivan>Her husband works at the fucking CDC.

00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.820
<v Sam>She used to work there. Her husband still works there. She's got a bunch of

00:07:30.820 --> 00:07:31.840
<v Sam>friends that work there.

00:07:32.080 --> 00:07:36.200
<v Sam>And so I saw the news alert and I like pinged her and her like, is everybody okay?

00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:39.620
<v Sam>Her husband had left like 15 minutes before this had happened,

00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:45.340
<v Sam>but a whole bunch of other people she knew were still in lockdown over there. So great.

00:07:46.280 --> 00:07:51.320
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just all very annoying, Sam. Irritating.

00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:58.120
<v Ivan>Yeah, this is all of it. It's Peter actually said it best on the Slack today.

00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.420
<v Ivan>I can't believe Americans elected this motherfucker again. Yep.

00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:05.000
<v Sam>Yep.

00:08:06.730 --> 00:08:07.150
<v Sam>Yes.

00:08:07.650 --> 00:08:09.950
<v Ivan>I mean, I'll bet.

00:08:09.950 --> 00:08:11.130
<v Sam>What else can you say?

00:08:11.330 --> 00:08:12.890
<v Ivan>What else can you say?

00:08:13.430 --> 00:08:13.990
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:08:14.210 --> 00:08:21.390
<v Ivan>I mean, fuck. You fired the IRS guy. Apparently, I guess he was too nice or something.

00:08:21.770 --> 00:08:28.010
<v Sam>It's unclear why. But this is like the sixth one so far since Trump has been president.

00:08:28.490 --> 00:08:30.790
<v Sam>So, like, they don't last very long.

00:08:30.810 --> 00:08:33.590
<v Ivan>I mean, the sixth guy. It's only been eight months. What the fuck?

00:08:34.490 --> 00:08:37.470
<v Ivan>this guy was just confirmed by the Senate two months ago,

00:08:38.730 --> 00:08:43.470
<v Ivan>right I don't know he's going to go meet Putin in Alaska you might fucking explain

00:08:43.470 --> 00:08:52.850
<v Ivan>you know explain to me this horse shit well they're going to meet in Alaska I'm just very very you.

00:08:52.850 --> 00:08:56.550
<v Sam>Need part of the Ukraine deal to be giving back Alaska right.

00:08:57.510 --> 00:09:02.910
<v Ivan>Yeah I'll probably sell it back at something you know when he's up there or

00:09:02.910 --> 00:09:05.350
<v Ivan>claims a great deal or something.

00:09:07.550 --> 00:09:11.350
<v Ivan>And by the way, look, another thing, I tried to buy a new suit.

00:09:12.190 --> 00:09:13.990
<v Ivan>I failed at buying a new suit.

00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.660
<v Sam>Okay. You went to buy a new suit. Like, and like.

00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:24.340
<v Ivan>Okay. Now, yeah, I realize that I am in the minority.

00:09:24.680 --> 00:09:25.240
<v Sam>Okay.

00:09:25.820 --> 00:09:27.440
<v Ivan>In terms of buying suits.

00:09:28.520 --> 00:09:30.340
<v Sam>In that you do it at all.

00:09:30.920 --> 00:09:31.520
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:09:31.880 --> 00:09:37.500
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah, I bought a suit, like, what was it, last year sometime?

00:09:37.580 --> 00:09:43.520
<v Sam>Because I was going to some event and my size had changed. So like I couldn't

00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:46.420
<v Sam>wear, I mean, I could have worn the one I had before, but it probably,

00:09:46.580 --> 00:09:48.580
<v Sam>I don't know, it wouldn't need to be cleaned.

00:09:48.820 --> 00:09:53.440
<v Ivan>So I, here's the one thing I, I, I, I, my number of suits, I haven't bought

00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.520
<v Ivan>any new suits in a while. Okay.

00:09:56.680 --> 00:10:02.420
<v Ivan>And my number of suits has dwindled. There were some older suits that I got

00:10:02.420 --> 00:10:04.460
<v Ivan>rid of because I didn't fit in very well.

00:10:04.860 --> 00:10:10.460
<v Ivan>The one thing about it is that, and the problem was that I bought suits a lot

00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:14.660
<v Ivan>that were tailored. And so usually if it was, if it was, I gained weight,

00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.020
<v Ivan>like my waist, they could be adjustable.

00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.780
<v Ivan>The problem isn't that the problem is that because I've started lifting weights

00:10:20.780 --> 00:10:25.620
<v Ivan>about 10 years ago, the size of the jacket right now that I need is bigger.

00:10:25.940 --> 00:10:31.340
<v Ivan>Okay. There, there is, and there, and there is no, there wasn't any fixing that.

00:10:31.540 --> 00:10:33.700
<v Ivan>Okay. It was significantly bigger.

00:10:33.900 --> 00:10:35.460
<v Sam>Your massive muscles you now have.

00:10:35.560 --> 00:10:40.300
<v Ivan>Because I have more muscles than I used to have. Yes. Okay. There is no way

00:10:40.300 --> 00:10:42.700
<v Ivan>of me fitting in the old jacket.

00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.400
<v Ivan>It just won't happen.

00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:52.040
<v Sam>You could do that Incredible Hulk thing. You put on the jacket and then you go, and it like wraps.

00:10:52.040 --> 00:10:55.620
<v Ivan>Yeah, that would have been great. So I had to get rid of some suits that I just

00:10:55.620 --> 00:10:58.500
<v Ivan>could not fit in because of that.

00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:02.900
<v Ivan>And then I had one of my favorite suits, which is a Hickey Freeman suit,

00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:08.720
<v Ivan>which are American-made suits. and not just that look Hickey Freeman is a brand,

00:11:09.410 --> 00:11:14.410
<v Ivan>Made in, they were made, not anymore, in Rochester, New York,

00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:15.890
<v Ivan>okay, in upstate New York.

00:11:16.590 --> 00:11:21.090
<v Ivan>Presidents wore them regularly. Barack Obama is a wardrobe of suits consistent

00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:22.950
<v Ivan>mostly of Hickey Freemans, okay?

00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:27.970
<v Ivan>So this is a suit that was a brand that was recognized as the,

00:11:27.990 --> 00:11:33.510
<v Ivan>I mean, the gold standard of a suit that was made in America,

00:11:33.810 --> 00:11:35.950
<v Ivan>okay? And they were expensive, okay?

00:11:36.210 --> 00:11:39.030
<v Ivan>All right, they're, you know, a Hickey Freeman suit was.

00:11:39.890 --> 00:11:43.670
<v Ivan>over $2,000, okay, a pop, okay?

00:11:44.150 --> 00:11:47.790
<v Ivan>And you got a custom-made one, it could be $3,000, $4,000, but it was,

00:11:47.950 --> 00:11:53.210
<v Ivan>you know, the one thing is that a Hickey Freeman was the American suit,

00:11:53.390 --> 00:11:55.630
<v Ivan>the best one that you could really get, okay?

00:11:56.370 --> 00:12:02.870
<v Ivan>Unfortunately, that suit, the pants I had damaged by sitting in a couple of

00:12:02.870 --> 00:12:04.730
<v Ivan>places that wind up ripping the pants.

00:12:04.910 --> 00:12:11.890
<v Ivan>I had repaired the pants a couple of times, but they got to a point that there was just no more.

00:12:13.350 --> 00:12:18.890
<v Ivan>They couldn't be repaired. Taylor looked at it and said, it's done. It's over.

00:12:19.030 --> 00:12:19.370
<v Sam>You're done.

00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:23.370
<v Ivan>And so that suit died, and I'm like, damn it.

00:12:24.930 --> 00:12:30.970
<v Ivan>The store where I bought suits in the last 15, 17 years, I'd say,

00:12:31.670 --> 00:12:33.550
<v Ivan>has been Nordstrom. Okay?

00:12:33.990 --> 00:12:39.690
<v Ivan>So I go to see, okay, you know what? But I really liked, I had that one.

00:12:39.790 --> 00:12:43.270
<v Ivan>I have another Hickey Freeman sport coat, which is really nice.

00:12:43.850 --> 00:12:47.830
<v Ivan>Her stuff was really nice. I think I'll try to fly a Hickey Freeman.

00:12:48.490 --> 00:12:50.910
<v Ivan>Well, Nordstrom's not carrying Hickey Freeman anymore.

00:12:51.970 --> 00:12:55.650
<v Ivan>And I'm like, well, why the hell happened? And then I go and I find that the

00:12:55.650 --> 00:12:58.290
<v Ivan>only place that has Nicky Freeman is Dillard's.

00:12:59.330 --> 00:13:03.370
<v Ivan>Look, Dillard's is not high-end clothes. Okay?

00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:10.250
<v Ivan>And I noticed that the prices on the suits are about a third of what they used to be.

00:13:10.850 --> 00:13:14.250
<v Ivan>And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Well, whoever owned Hickey Freeman,

00:13:14.350 --> 00:13:18.050
<v Ivan>by the way, that have been in business making those suits up there in Rochester

00:13:18.050 --> 00:13:21.110
<v Ivan>for over 100, I don't know how many years.

00:13:21.970 --> 00:13:26.770
<v Ivan>got sold to some company that decided to offshore the making of the Hickey Freeman suits to China.

00:13:27.510 --> 00:13:28.010
<v Sam>Okay.

00:13:28.090 --> 00:13:32.110
<v Ivan>And now they're sold exclusively at Dillard's for, you know,

00:13:32.430 --> 00:13:35.530
<v Ivan>six, seven hundred bucks. They're not the same suits.

00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:41.590
<v Ivan>It's a cheap Chinese suit now that they just took the fucking brand and slapped it on.

00:13:41.750 --> 00:13:44.870
<v Ivan>So that's so fuck. I can't buy a Hickey Freeman.

00:13:45.310 --> 00:13:49.710
<v Ivan>Well, you know, I could, but I would be a cheap piece of crap.

00:13:50.350 --> 00:13:55.950
<v Ivan>so i'm not buying that i'm like fuck i'm not no i'm not buying the other thing

00:13:55.950 --> 00:14:00.970
<v Ivan>is look nordstrom does the alter listen nordstrom when you buy a suit they will

00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:02.610
<v Ivan>properly fit the suit for you,

00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:07.930
<v Ivan>they they will do it and one thing well i had the nordstrom credit card which

00:14:07.930 --> 00:14:11.650
<v Ivan>for some reason my credit limit is very small i was gonna have to figure out

00:14:11.650 --> 00:14:15.610
<v Ivan>what the hell to do i don't know think they lowered the credit limit i'm like

00:14:15.610 --> 00:14:18.450
<v Ivan>i can't buy buy a suit i got but it includes an alteration credit.

00:14:18.590 --> 00:14:19.570
<v Ivan>So the alterations are free.

00:14:19.790 --> 00:14:23.150
<v Ivan>I want to take advantage. Okay. Well, I got, I got free alterations.

00:14:23.550 --> 00:14:25.330
<v Ivan>Well, you'll go, you go get that done.

00:14:25.770 --> 00:14:28.810
<v Ivan>Okay. But, but there's no more Hickey Freeman suits.

00:14:29.390 --> 00:14:33.430
<v Ivan>So I'm like, okay, at Dillard's, they won't do a custom fit like that.

00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:37.930
<v Ivan>So they, they don't do that there. You buy it off the rack and you know, people wear it that way.

00:14:38.030 --> 00:14:41.930
<v Ivan>I, you know, I, no, I, I, okay. So I can't do that. Okay.

00:14:42.490 --> 00:14:45.850
<v Ivan>Then they used to sell at Nordstrom also another American brand,

00:14:45.970 --> 00:14:48.850
<v Ivan>Joseph Abood. And I like those suits and I got a couple of those.

00:14:50.010 --> 00:14:55.570
<v Ivan>Another brand that also, because the suit market is going to shit, that brand also gone.

00:14:56.670 --> 00:15:00.610
<v Ivan>The only place that you can get them now is some shit at Men's Warehouse that

00:15:00.610 --> 00:15:03.870
<v Ivan>is not made at the factory because that was also American made. That was made up there.

00:15:04.430 --> 00:15:08.410
<v Ivan>Nope. No go. That's also disappeared. I'm like, fuck me, what the hell?

00:15:09.390 --> 00:15:12.090
<v Ivan>Okay, so the other suits that I had, which I got rid of a couple,

00:15:12.170 --> 00:15:17.350
<v Ivan>the ones that I couldn't fit because of my because of my, because of your massive biceps.

00:15:17.810 --> 00:15:22.190
<v Ivan>My massive biceps, yes. I couldn't fit. They're canales, which are Italian.

00:15:22.410 --> 00:15:25.630
<v Ivan>Okay. And I like those and I've had a number of those over the years.

00:15:25.770 --> 00:15:28.990
<v Ivan>Okay, great. Okay, well, they do have canales. Okay, great.

00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:32.190
<v Ivan>But that was about, but I figured out.

00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:37.650
<v Ivan>I looked through the brands and the brands of suits that I bought over the years.

00:15:38.090 --> 00:15:41.470
<v Ivan>They're all like gone. They have very little inventory.

00:15:41.730 --> 00:15:46.850
<v Ivan>I went to store, you know, I was looking at even the high-end stores like Neiman Marcus, Saks.

00:15:47.030 --> 00:15:50.050
<v Ivan>Well, Neiman Marcus, here's a problem. These stores are all go bankrupt.

00:15:50.890 --> 00:15:55.570
<v Ivan>Saks, Neiman Marcus and all of these basically were not being able to pay vendors.

00:15:55.770 --> 00:15:58.610
<v Ivan>They had almost no inventory of suits either. Okay.

00:15:59.050 --> 00:16:03.870
<v Ivan>Another thing is my size. Look, I'm not, I'm a weird oddball size. Okay.

00:16:04.730 --> 00:16:08.370
<v Ivan>You know, I'm, you know, I'm short, I'm wide.

00:16:08.830 --> 00:16:13.870
<v Ivan>I need, you know, I need a suit. Look, I didn't fit into, but listen,

00:16:14.010 --> 00:16:15.370
<v Ivan>you know, short and wide.

00:16:15.590 --> 00:16:18.030
<v Ivan>I couldn't fit in a fucking MRI machine. Okay.

00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:23.650
<v Ivan>Well, you know, last year, because my shoulders are, I have shoulders that are

00:16:23.650 --> 00:16:26.990
<v Ivan>so broad that I couldn't fit in a fucking MRI machine.

00:16:27.510 --> 00:16:32.310
<v Ivan>could get through my shoulders. I'm like, what the fuck? I had to go to another

00:16:32.310 --> 00:16:34.850
<v Ivan>MRI place that had a bigger machine to get in.

00:16:35.230 --> 00:16:35.630
<v Sam>Right.

00:16:35.810 --> 00:16:41.830
<v Ivan>So, yeah, so my dimensions are odd, okay? So I need a specific size.

00:16:42.690 --> 00:16:46.570
<v Ivan>And so I go to, oh, let me find some discount places online.

00:16:46.690 --> 00:16:49.190
<v Ivan>Maybe they have some Italian suits at a discount online.

00:16:49.390 --> 00:16:52.570
<v Ivan>Yeah, they got, I found, oh yeah, this place has it at a discount.

00:16:52.870 --> 00:16:57.070
<v Ivan>Only on one size that, I don't know, maybe my son could fit in it. I don't know.

00:16:57.730 --> 00:17:02.450
<v Ivan>And I'll like, or, you know, so bottom line that I concluded,

00:17:03.030 --> 00:17:05.670
<v Ivan>nobody's buying fucking suits. Nobody.

00:17:06.050 --> 00:17:06.470
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:17:07.820 --> 00:17:13.480
<v Ivan>Just nobody it's not easy to go out there to buy a suit even at like places

00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:18.680
<v Ivan>like men's warehouse or whatever is supposed to specialize very few you know what what they had.

00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.780
<v Sam>Was a lot of the number a lot of sport coats

00:17:21.780 --> 00:17:25.740
<v Sam>yeah the number of situations where it

00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:29.100
<v Sam>is expected that you wear a suit has reduced

00:17:29.100 --> 00:17:33.400
<v Sam>dramatically over the last few days i mean it's

00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:41.820
<v Sam>it's just like it's now i mean there are a few businesses industries where it's

00:17:41.820 --> 00:17:46.440
<v Sam>still sort of expected but they are dwindling i mean even the politicians aren't

00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.960
<v Sam>always wearing them right you know and actually a.

00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.200
<v Ivan>Lot of politicians now just maybe they're not wearing ties but many of them

00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.120
<v Ivan>are still wearing a suit just without a tie.

00:17:55.120 --> 00:18:00.020
<v Sam>That's what you see a lot but you see a lot of that but you're seeing you're

00:18:00.020 --> 00:18:02.220
<v Sam>seeing more casual stuff even but you're.

00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:03.420
<v Ivan>Seeing a lot more casual yes.

00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:10.860
<v Sam>Even there and so So it's starting to be like, you know, weddings and funerals and not even those.

00:18:11.060 --> 00:18:15.520
<v Ivan>Not even those. Listen, I showed up in a black suit for a funeral lately and

00:18:15.520 --> 00:18:18.120
<v Ivan>I was, you know, we were in the minority.

00:18:18.460 --> 00:18:22.080
<v Ivan>Not the only one, but we were definitely in the minority. Okay.

00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:22.360
<v Sam>Right.

00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:30.040
<v Ivan>And so I look, I have this thing. I'm in sales.

00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:35.100
<v Ivan>I'm going to people sometimes, not just asking for hundreds of thousands,

00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:37.580
<v Ivan>millions of dollars. Okay.

00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:46.060
<v Ivan>You know, a number of my customers are in a sports coat jacket or maybe a suit still. Okay.

00:18:46.300 --> 00:18:47.580
<v Sam>So you match your customer.

00:18:47.780 --> 00:18:52.860
<v Ivan>I, yeah, I'm not going to a customer, you know, wearing fucking jeans and some

00:18:52.860 --> 00:18:55.860
<v Ivan>dumb, you know, whatever thing I'm fucking, you know what?

00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.260
<v Ivan>I'm, I want somebody that I want to,

00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:04.280
<v Ivan>get like a million dollar deal from i

00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:07.860
<v Ivan>i'm you know what i'll show up in a suit i

00:19:07.860 --> 00:19:14.700
<v Ivan>mean that's just you know yeah i i i i'm not i see other people that do it that

00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:18.900
<v Ivan>way i'm not comfortable with that i'm just not comfortable with that and maybe

00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:24.360
<v Ivan>it's just a habit it's just whatever but i'm just not not presumably that presumably.

00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:27.320
<v Sam>It depends at least a little bit on the client right like if If you went to

00:19:27.320 --> 00:19:31.380
<v Sam>a client that was 100% casual and they're like, don't show up in a suit, you would.

00:19:31.620 --> 00:19:34.340
<v Ivan>Oh, the thing is that none of my customers are like that.

00:19:34.620 --> 00:19:34.940
<v Sam>Right.

00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:40.380
<v Ivan>None of my customers are like that. So it's just none of my customers are like that.

00:19:41.060 --> 00:19:44.720
<v Ivan>And I will tell you that even some of my customers that tend to be more casual,

00:19:44.740 --> 00:19:48.700
<v Ivan>I do see that they expect that the vendors are not.

00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:52.020
<v Sam>We want you to put on your little show, monkey.

00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.660
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. Dance, monkey. Dance. Here we go. Yes.

00:19:57.280 --> 00:20:03.200
<v Ivan>So, you know, but yeah, I found it that it was far more challenging to,

00:20:03.360 --> 00:20:06.260
<v Ivan>I mean, look, I'm telling you, almost...

00:20:07.690 --> 00:20:12.230
<v Ivan>all the American brands that are gone. The only one that I saw that has left,

00:20:12.410 --> 00:20:14.370
<v Ivan>I guess, is Brooks Brothers.

00:20:14.910 --> 00:20:18.910
<v Ivan>Because apparently Brooks Brothers is making suits at that same factory where

00:20:18.910 --> 00:20:20.370
<v Ivan>they used to make the Hickey Freeman suits.

00:20:20.570 --> 00:20:24.850
<v Ivan>But I will admit that I have an extreme disdain for Brooks Brothers.

00:20:25.510 --> 00:20:29.630
<v Ivan>I don't like their clothes. I don't like their suits. I don't like their shirts.

00:20:29.910 --> 00:20:31.710
<v Ivan>I don't like anything they sell.

00:20:32.150 --> 00:20:36.630
<v Ivan>And the last time I bought something there, I got into a very...

00:20:36.630 --> 00:20:41.110
<v Ivan>I, I, I, I, I got into an argument because they sold me something that I didn't

00:20:41.110 --> 00:20:43.310
<v Ivan>realize had a grease stain. Okay.

00:20:44.910 --> 00:20:45.230
<v Sam>Okay.

00:20:45.290 --> 00:20:48.830
<v Ivan>And it was a sweater. And I, I went and I got home and I, I,

00:20:48.850 --> 00:20:51.370
<v Ivan>I, I, you know, I guess I had, I tried it.

00:20:51.490 --> 00:20:53.730
<v Ivan>It didn't look. And then all of a sudden when I went to put it away,

00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:56.670
<v Ivan>I'm like, what the fuck? I went back and I said, guys, I'm sorry,

00:20:56.750 --> 00:20:58.250
<v Ivan>but this suit had to stain.

00:20:58.390 --> 00:21:02.890
<v Ivan>And they tried to say that I, that I did it. I literally came back like an hour

00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:07.990
<v Ivan>later. I'm like, what the, I, look, I took it out of a bag and it looked like this.

00:21:08.830 --> 00:21:11.610
<v Ivan>They gave me a fucking hard time about it. I was like, Jesus Christ,

00:21:11.750 --> 00:21:13.630
<v Ivan>fuck this store. Okay. All right. I'm not.

00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:20.730
<v Ivan>Yeah. But I, so, and even by the way, Brooks Brothers also had gone into bankruptcy.

00:21:22.030 --> 00:21:27.910
<v Sam>Yes. So, so the moral of the story is that this is a dying industry and you should not invest in it.

00:21:28.630 --> 00:21:33.890
<v Ivan>That's for sure. Don't invest in the suit industry. That's, that,

00:21:33.890 --> 00:21:37.850
<v Ivan>that, that definitely, if, if there are suit stocks out there,

00:21:38.110 --> 00:21:43.550
<v Ivan>like, I mean, I guess men's, men's warehouses and financial dire straits as well.

00:21:43.810 --> 00:21:51.010
<v Ivan>So I, you know, I will tell you one curious thing that I saw in the industry

00:21:51.010 --> 00:21:58.070
<v Ivan>where it's doing fine in terms of like more formal attire.

00:21:59.050 --> 00:22:03.590
<v Ivan>The wedding, like, tuxedo wedding businesses?

00:22:04.030 --> 00:22:04.450
<v Sam>Okay.

00:22:04.530 --> 00:22:06.090
<v Ivan>Those are actually doing pretty good.

00:22:06.650 --> 00:22:11.490
<v Sam>Because it's one of the few things where at least the wedding party wants to dress up.

00:22:11.710 --> 00:22:12.270
<v Ivan>Exactly.

00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:18.330
<v Sam>Maybe not the guests, but the wedding party themselves, they still want to dress up.

00:22:18.610 --> 00:22:23.770
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes, totally. And so that industry seems to be doing pretty well,

00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:25.350
<v Ivan>okay, from what I could tell.

00:22:25.950 --> 00:22:30.810
<v Ivan>Those guys. But, you know, All the other stuff, they're doing like shit.

00:22:31.470 --> 00:22:34.570
<v Ivan>I mean, I, you know. So...

00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:36.400
<v Sam>Okay, my turn.

00:22:36.820 --> 00:22:37.300
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:41.120
<v Sam>So I should have said this at the very beginning, but I didn't.

00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.060
<v Sam>We are, of course, doing our butt first where we talk about non-newsy stuff,

00:22:44.060 --> 00:22:45.900
<v Sam>then we'll take a break and we'll do news stuff.

00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:50.520
<v Sam>Although the first thing Yvonne started talking about was adjacent to the news.

00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:57.280
<v Sam>It was, you know, everything going on. But so as usual, I'm going to do a couple

00:22:57.280 --> 00:23:00.400
<v Sam>of movies, movies, movies, movies, movies.

00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.140
<v Sam>We are now in November of last year, by the way.

00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:08.060
<v Sam>so the this yeah second half.

00:23:08.060 --> 00:23:12.740
<v Ivan>We're not listen november last year means we're not like 10 years off.

00:23:13.320 --> 00:23:14.560
<v Sam>That's right i'm still.

00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:17.300
<v Ivan>Behind but this is why i'm doing two perhaps i mean this is

00:23:17.300 --> 00:23:22.280
<v Ivan>not that bad i mean you've you know i still remember sam had these to-do lists

00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:27.100
<v Ivan>that he used to have when we were in college when he kept reorganizing every

00:23:27.100 --> 00:23:31.620
<v Ivan>week reorganizing shit and there must have been shit on that to-do list that

00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:34.820
<v Ivan>was on there for years and years and still not done.

00:23:35.180 --> 00:23:38.940
<v Sam>You talk about this as if it was past tense. I still have lists like that.

00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:43.540
<v Ivan>Wait, you still have the to-do? I mean, I remember you used to print up and

00:23:43.540 --> 00:23:46.520
<v Ivan>add organize and add timestamps and shit.

00:23:46.900 --> 00:23:53.200
<v Sam>The form has changed. I no longer have like a single document with the to-do

00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Sam>list that gets printed out on a regular basis, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:02.060
<v Sam>But I've actually got multiple mechanisms whereby I use random number generators

00:24:02.060 --> 00:24:05.640
<v Sam>to determine which project I'm going to work on at a particular time.

00:24:07.070 --> 00:24:11.310
<v Ivan>So I have, of course, of course, this is how to prioritize stuff.

00:24:11.530 --> 00:24:16.530
<v Ivan>Hey, hey, do, do I, hey, do I turn off the bomb or do I, or do I change the oil?

00:24:16.770 --> 00:24:20.190
<v Ivan>I'm like, ah, I'll do the oil, the bomb, whatever.

00:24:20.790 --> 00:24:27.390
<v Sam>Yeah, so I have things where I have multiple layers and random numbers that

00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:30.090
<v Sam>get you one category and then you go into another.

00:24:30.090 --> 00:24:36.190
<v Sam>I did have a system a few years back where I had a Google spreadsheet that automatically

00:24:36.190 --> 00:24:40.410
<v Sam>adjusted the priority based on how long it had been since I'd last done the thing.

00:24:40.510 --> 00:24:44.610
<v Ivan>That was, yes, that was like, you know, you kept doing it. That's right.

00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:50.130
<v Sam>But that one ended up getting like, well, here's what happens with all of my to-do lists.

00:24:50.570 --> 00:24:55.390
<v Sam>No matter what, I always have more to do than I have time to do. So eventually.

00:24:55.450 --> 00:24:55.570
<v Ivan>Oh.

00:24:56.010 --> 00:24:59.670
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So eventually what happens is that there's something that

00:24:59.670 --> 00:25:02.070
<v Sam>I feel like I really should be

00:25:02.070 --> 00:25:06.530
<v Sam>spending more time on that isn't coming up enough in the existing system.

00:25:06.710 --> 00:25:12.470
<v Sam>So I layer on top of it, another system that gives more precedence to that thing,

00:25:12.510 --> 00:25:15.810
<v Sam>but still all the old things are there.

00:25:15.810 --> 00:25:21.490
<v Sam>so like right now for instance i the first thing i do is roll a one to six number

00:25:21.490 --> 00:25:28.690
<v Sam>and if it's a one then i fall back to the older mechanism i had before and roll from that,

00:25:31.030 --> 00:25:34.210
<v Sam>and and and like the other items

00:25:34.210 --> 00:25:37.170
<v Sam>and i am simplifying slightly actually

00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:40.670
<v Sam>the other items two through six only two

00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:46.410
<v Sam>of them are actually single item items the others like if i roll a four for

00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:51.250
<v Sam>instance there's actually something like 25 different tasks within the four

00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:58.450
<v Sam>so if i roll the four then i roll a one through 25 and determine which of those i do and oh.

00:25:58.450 --> 00:26:02.070
<v Ivan>My god this is the most hilarious thing.

00:26:02.070 --> 00:26:05.690
<v Sam>I've heard in a while and so yeah

00:26:05.690 --> 00:26:12.070
<v Sam>so i have i i have sort of a a tiered level of priorities and a random number

00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:15.150
<v Sam>picks the first thing and then when you're in the second thing there's another

00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:20.330
<v Sam>system that picks what you do there and of course random numbers are are a key

00:26:20.330 --> 00:26:24.590
<v Sam>part of this system at all times of course of course randomization has.

00:26:24.590 --> 00:26:25.470
<v Ivan>To be part of It.

00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:29.590
<v Sam>Has to be part of it. Now, I have various things to make sure the randomization,

00:26:29.850 --> 00:26:31.870
<v Sam>not everything is equal.

00:26:32.070 --> 00:26:34.930
<v Sam>Some things are more important than others, so we're more likely to come up

00:26:34.930 --> 00:26:36.870
<v Sam>than others, but it's still randomized.

00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:40.970
<v Sam>And then things happen like, you know, the system breaks down.

00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:44.610
<v Sam>And so I realized, you know, it's been four weeks since I've done laundry or something.

00:26:44.610 --> 00:26:48.510
<v Ivan>Down. What a shocking development. No, no kidding. Really? Wow.

00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:54.310
<v Sam>You know, and I'm like, you know, I can't just keep buying new socks when I run out of clean socks.

00:26:54.490 --> 00:26:58.090
<v Sam>I have to actually do laundry sometimes. You know?

00:26:58.990 --> 00:26:59.850
<v Ivan>Ha ha ha!

00:27:01.060 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Ivan>Yes, I can see all that randomization. Oh, just buy underwear.

00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Ivan>Oh, buy underwear. Oh, buy underwear.

00:27:08.040 --> 00:27:10.140
<v Ivan>Oh, shit, I need socks. What am I doing?

00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Sam>Exactly. So, anyway, I could spend a half an hour on the details of this,

00:27:20.540 --> 00:27:22.040
<v Sam>but I think this has probably been enough.

00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:26.820
<v Ivan>No, it's been enough. We need to make sure we catch up on some of these movies. Okay.

00:27:26.980 --> 00:27:30.140
<v Sam>Okay, okay. Two movies from this time. first was i

00:27:30.140 --> 00:27:33.020
<v Sam>i watched a whole lot in november of last year

00:27:33.020 --> 00:27:36.300
<v Sam>because you know holiday thanksgiving right

00:27:36.300 --> 00:27:39.500
<v Sam>like there was time yes so this was november 17th

00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Sam>but then like i'm looking ahead today i'm going

00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.560
<v Sam>to do one from november 17th and one from november 21st but there were actually

00:27:45.560 --> 00:27:50.380
<v Sam>two movies on the 21st and one on the 23rd and one on the 24th and one on the

00:27:50.380 --> 00:27:55.140
<v Sam>30th because you know wow it was that kind of time you know there's lots of

00:27:55.140 --> 00:28:01.340
<v Sam>tv watching at the end of november because there's holidays and there's home time and you know sports.

00:28:01.340 --> 00:28:04.060
<v Ivan>Right you watched all the football games of course.

00:28:04.060 --> 00:28:07.500
<v Sam>What there's football games football

00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:14.380
<v Sam>yeah i have no idea what you're talking about okay anyway the november 7th 17th

00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:24.540
<v Sam>movie was from the year 2015 the second movie in the divergent series called insurgent oh.

00:28:24.540 --> 00:28:29.320
<v Ivan>God this stupid divergent series i got this the whole divergent series kind

00:28:29.320 --> 00:28:30.560
<v Ivan>of like just pissed me off.

00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:32.360
<v Sam>Did you watch all i don't.

00:28:32.360 --> 00:28:39.420
<v Ivan>First of all no i think i watched parts of the first one i know shylene woodley is in it i know that.

00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:41.420
<v Sam>Yes yes it's been a while.

00:28:41.420 --> 00:28:44.780
<v Ivan>About 10 years first of all the name pisses me off.

00:28:44.780 --> 00:28:47.100
<v Sam>Divergent yeah.

00:28:47.100 --> 00:28:52.600
<v Ivan>I don't know what the hell it is that a movie called Divergent sounds to me like it's stupid.

00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Ivan>I don't know why. I don't know why.

00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Ivan>To me, it's like some guy was trying to make the movie different.

00:29:02.540 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Ivan>Oh, well, call it Divergent.

00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Sam>Well, it was based on a book that was also called Divergent.

00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:12.220
<v Ivan>I know. There's three movies, if I remember correctly.

00:29:12.300 --> 00:29:14.300
<v Sam>There's three movies. I think there's four books.

00:29:14.580 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Ivan>My wife was... Five books now, actually. All right. I have not.

00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Ivan>This is another one that I have not watched in its entirety.

00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:28.080
<v Ivan>This was a time also with linear TV. When this happened, my wife happened to

00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Ivan>be watching it. I watched a part of it.

00:29:31.060 --> 00:29:34.120
<v Ivan>I came away with thinking this thing is stupid.

00:29:35.010 --> 00:29:37.750
<v Ivan>And I left a room. Something along these lines.

00:29:37.970 --> 00:29:43.430
<v Sam>Let me tell you where I was. I believe I gave the first movie a thumbs up. I really liked it.

00:29:44.310 --> 00:29:49.610
<v Sam>And it basically, the title Divergent actually comes from the fact that there

00:29:49.610 --> 00:29:54.730
<v Sam>are some individuals, the society has been broken up into sort of cases by like

00:29:54.730 --> 00:29:56.690
<v Sam>what kind of jobs they do.

00:29:56.970 --> 00:30:01.510
<v Sam>So there's like the intellectuals, there's the politicians, there's the soldiers,

00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:06.390
<v Sam>there's the whatever. Each of them have different names, but it's divided up into these casts.

00:30:06.670 --> 00:30:11.350
<v Sam>And then the divergent people are essentially people who don't fit into any

00:30:11.350 --> 00:30:13.430
<v Sam>of those categories well. Okay.

00:30:14.150 --> 00:30:17.950
<v Sam>And I liked the first movie. I thought it was like some interesting,

00:30:18.110 --> 00:30:21.570
<v Sam>and I have not read the books, by the way, but I thought there were some interesting ideas.

00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:24.210
<v Sam>I thought it was well executed. I liked the actress.

00:30:24.590 --> 00:30:29.330
<v Sam>I liked sort of the situations they put her in and how it played out.

00:30:29.330 --> 00:30:33.850
<v Sam>I felt like the second movie, I'm only going to give a thumb sideways to,

00:30:34.250 --> 00:30:44.030
<v Sam>it was sort of like it doubled down on the action part of things as opposed

00:30:44.030 --> 00:30:46.570
<v Sam>to the interesting ideas part of things.

00:30:46.570 --> 00:30:51.750
<v Sam>Like the first movie I found interesting because, you know, they had the factions

00:30:51.750 --> 00:30:59.370
<v Sam>and how was this society structured and what was the divergent person and why and stuff.

00:30:59.630 --> 00:31:04.130
<v Sam>And there was still some of that in the second one because you sort of evolved

00:31:04.130 --> 00:31:08.170
<v Sam>the idea and found out a little bit more about why the factions existed and

00:31:08.170 --> 00:31:10.390
<v Sam>how that came about and blah, blah, blah.

00:31:10.390 --> 00:31:19.190
<v Sam>But it really sort of doubled down on being, hey, it's an action movie.

00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:23.190
<v Sam>There's a war, there's a battle, there's people running around and jumping on

00:31:23.190 --> 00:31:30.330
<v Sam>trains and shooting and blah, blah, blah. And I just find that aspect of it

00:31:30.330 --> 00:31:32.170
<v Sam>less interesting than the ideas part.

00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:36.810
<v Sam>And it felt like the ideas were explored in the first one.

00:31:37.370 --> 00:31:42.250
<v Sam>And the second one was more just about, okay, now let's have everybody run around

00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.310
<v Sam>and fight and, you know, this kind of stuff.

00:31:45.350 --> 00:31:48.250
<v Sam>And that was just less interesting to me. It was okay.

00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:54.650
<v Sam>I'm giving it a thumb sideways. Again, I reserve the thumbs down for the worst of the worst.

00:31:54.830 --> 00:31:59.650
<v Sam>But I give it a thumb sideways. It was okay. It was an entertaining couple hours. How long was this thing?

00:31:59.870 --> 00:32:02.090
<v Sam>119 minutes, so almost exactly a couple hours.

00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:08.250
<v Sam>And it was fine. It was a fine little movie. It did not bore me. It was interesting.

00:32:09.790 --> 00:32:14.070
<v Sam>It covered the couple hours, but it didn't feel like, oh, wow,

00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:16.150
<v Sam>this is a good movie I will remember.

00:32:16.150 --> 00:32:16.890
<v Ivan>Amazing, yes.

00:32:17.750 --> 00:32:21.310
<v Sam>Whereas, I mean, the first movie wasn't going to be like...

00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.600
<v Sam>It wasn't like going to, I'm going to say it wasn't award-winning,

00:32:26.760 --> 00:32:29.080
<v Sam>but I don't know. Maybe it did win some awards. I don't even remember.

00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:32.360
<v Sam>But like, but I like. I have to look this up. The first one,

00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.240
<v Sam>I was like, that was a good movie. I really enjoyed this.

00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.800
<v Sam>This second one was more like, it was a movie. It was okay.

00:32:39.560 --> 00:32:45.020
<v Sam>And nothing. That's it. But you hated the first one enough that the second one

00:32:45.020 --> 00:32:46.060
<v Sam>wasn't even in your radar.

00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:48.360
<v Ivan>I think it may have been. I'm thinking now.

00:32:48.840 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Sam>I think I remember you saying you fell asleep in one of these.

00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Ivan>It's very possible. I fall asleep in a lot of movies.

00:32:57.140 --> 00:33:00.280
<v Ivan>It's, you know, so that, that's, that's a distinct possibility.

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.140
<v Ivan>I think, I think that the one that I hated, the, where I, I had not watched

00:33:06.140 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Ivan>the first one. My wife's watching the second one.

00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:08.940
<v Sam>Okay.

00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Ivan>I'm pretty sure about this, that it was the second. Okay. Because of the.

00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Sam>Moving on. Let's, let's, let's move it on. The second movie for this time around,

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:27.060
<v Sam>which again, I watched on November 21st, 2024, is Kubo and the Two Strings from 2016.

00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:30.000
<v Ivan>Kubo and the what?

00:33:30.340 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Sam>The Two Strings.

00:33:32.300 --> 00:33:32.780
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:37.540
<v Sam>It's a stop-motion animated fantasy film.

00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.420
<v Sam>And it gives you some of the people who are in it.

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:50.040
<v Sam>Charlize Theron, Ralph Fiennes, Rooney Mara, George Takai, Matthew McConaughey.

00:33:50.040 --> 00:33:53.260
<v Sam>so it's got it's got some and and art parkinson

00:33:53.260 --> 00:33:57.520
<v Sam>i don't know who art parkinson is but like anyway thumbs

00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Sam>up i really liked this movie like i really enjoyed this movie let me give you

00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:12.600
<v Sam>the the first paragraph of the plot in uh from wikipedia of course in the in

00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:14.640
<v Sam>the early feudal Japan era,

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Sam>a 12-year-old boy with only one eye named Kubo tends to his ill mother,

00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.180
<v Sam>Sarayatu, in a mountain cave near a village.

00:34:24.380 --> 00:34:31.100
<v Sam>He earns their living by manipulating origami with music from his magical shamisen,

00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.460
<v Sam>a Japanese stringed instrument, telling the tale of his missing father,

00:34:36.660 --> 00:34:38.740
<v Sam>Hanzo, a samurai warrior.

00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Sam>Kubo is never able to finish his story, as he does not know what happened to

00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:50.180
<v Sam>Hanzo, and his mother cannot recall the end due to her deteriorating mental state.

00:34:50.540 --> 00:34:56.560
<v Sam>His mother warns him not to stay out after dark, as her sisters Karasu and Washi,

00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:01.820
<v Sam>as well as his grandfather, the Moon King, who took his eye when he was a baby,

00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:06.340
<v Sam>will find him and take his remaining eye.

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.900
<v Sam>Obviously, at one point, he stays out after night.

00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:14.870
<v Sam>after dark and things happen and adventure ensues

00:35:14.870 --> 00:35:18.450
<v Sam>and a whole bunch of stuff happens and he

00:35:18.450 --> 00:35:21.370
<v Sam>finds out this is as spoilery as as i'm going

00:35:21.370 --> 00:35:26.670
<v Sam>to get he finds out more about what happened to his father and to the history

00:35:26.670 --> 00:35:30.930
<v Sam>of what happened to his eye and all this kind of stuff and blah blah blah he

00:35:30.930 --> 00:35:36.990
<v Sam>he discovers some of that in any case i really liked the movie there i didn't

00:35:36.990 --> 00:35:41.130
<v Sam>think i was at at first I was like, what the hell is this? This is kind of goofy.

00:35:41.330 --> 00:35:44.010
<v Sam>But like, as it went on, it drew me in.

00:35:44.230 --> 00:35:47.830
<v Sam>I really got it. It, it, it hit some emotional notes.

00:35:48.450 --> 00:35:52.230
<v Sam>It, it, it was the kind of thing where by the end it was tugging at your heartstrings.

00:35:52.410 --> 00:35:55.210
<v Sam>And that's the kind of movie I end up liking the most.

00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:59.990
<v Sam>Like it, it, you know, I, I'm pretty sure I ended the movie like crying,

00:36:00.490 --> 00:36:04.050
<v Sam>which I like it when a movie makes me cry, you know?

00:36:04.290 --> 00:36:07.630
<v Sam>And yeah, I, I, I, I liked the movie.

00:36:07.790 --> 00:36:13.070
<v Sam>It, it, uh, it was not one I'd really heard of before I watched it.

00:36:13.130 --> 00:36:15.710
<v Sam>I don't know how it got on my list. I'm sure somebody mentioned it.

00:36:15.870 --> 00:36:20.550
<v Sam>Like I put movies on my list. If, if, if I ever see anybody mention a movie

00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:26.070
<v Sam>in anything, even remotely like a positive way, I add it to my list.

00:36:26.390 --> 00:36:29.730
<v Sam>Also, it's, if it's ever a wiki of the day, I add it to my list,

00:36:29.850 --> 00:36:31.570
<v Sam>you know, things like that.

00:36:31.950 --> 00:36:38.090
<v Sam>Um, anyway, big thumbs up for Kubo in the two strings. It is animated,

00:36:38.090 --> 00:36:41.790
<v Sam>but, you know, it's an all-family movie.

00:36:41.970 --> 00:36:49.650
<v Sam>It's not like a kid's movie. It's got some, like, themes that will hit you as an adult as well.

00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.610
<v Sam>But it's also, like, it's not going to be bad for kids either.

00:36:52.810 --> 00:36:55.870
<v Sam>Kids will also enjoy it. Anyway, let's see.

00:36:56.090 --> 00:37:01.010
<v Ivan>97% in Rotten Tomatoes rated, so it got really good.

00:37:01.550 --> 00:37:02.410
<v Sam>There you go.

00:37:02.950 --> 00:37:03.830
<v Ivan>So by the way.

00:37:03.950 --> 00:37:08.290
<v Sam>I was nominated for best animated feature at the Academy Awards as well as best

00:37:08.290 --> 00:37:12.890
<v Sam>visual effects, but it lost to Zootopia and the Jungle Book.

00:37:13.790 --> 00:37:15.530
<v Ivan>Oh well but you.

00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:22.050
<v Sam>Know i have not seen either zootopia or the more recent jungle book i think

00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:26.430
<v Sam>i once upon a time saw the original from like whatever it was the 60s or 70s

00:37:26.430 --> 00:37:31.330
<v Sam>whatever that was but but yeah no big thumbs up.

00:37:31.330 --> 00:37:34.590
<v Ivan>So i went back yes i

00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:38.890
<v Ivan>went back and checked on diversion i still remember the one thing that these

00:37:38.890 --> 00:37:43.510
<v Ivan>were like multiple movies here so i i think i started getting annoyed because

00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:49.030
<v Ivan>the first one is divergent the second one was divergent series insurgent it

00:37:49.030 --> 00:37:54.530
<v Ivan>sounds like something that a car that actually annoys me too that it's not like just.

00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:57.150
<v Sam>Insurgent it's the divergent.

00:37:57.150 --> 00:38:02.170
<v Ivan>Series insurgent and you know it sounds like it sounds like a made-up name that

00:38:02.170 --> 00:38:06.590
<v Ivan>a car company would give a car like acura with the integra okay this is what

00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:10.350
<v Ivan>this sounds like Then the third one was Allegiant series. Allegiant.

00:38:10.810 --> 00:38:11.090
<v Sam>Yes.

00:38:11.270 --> 00:38:15.050
<v Ivan>Okay. You know, sounds like Allegis. They made up a name that was sort of a

00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:17.830
<v Ivan>corporate name for some travel company, whatever.

00:38:18.050 --> 00:38:23.030
<v Ivan>I don't, by the way, they went, according to this, they kept going really downhill.

00:38:23.430 --> 00:38:29.630
<v Ivan>The third one was very poorly received. It was so badly received that there was supposed to be.

00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:33.410
<v Sam>It was supposed to be a two-parter. I have seen the third one at this point

00:38:33.410 --> 00:38:37.610
<v Sam>too, but I will save it till when we get to it in order. but I will agree this

00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:41.530
<v Sam>is one of those trilogies where each one is worse than the one before.

00:38:41.970 --> 00:38:46.210
<v Ivan>Yes. It was really bad. And not just that I'm supposed to be two parts.

00:38:46.250 --> 00:38:49.470
<v Ivan>It was so bad that they canceled the second part.

00:38:49.630 --> 00:38:52.590
<v Ivan>There was supposed to be a TV spinoff and they canceled that too.

00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:53.970
<v Sam>Yes.

00:38:54.330 --> 00:39:00.290
<v Ivan>But Kubo and the other thing, I, I, as a matter of fact, I, I honestly,

00:39:00.310 --> 00:39:01.570
<v Ivan>I don't even remember it.

00:39:01.790 --> 00:39:04.830
<v Ivan>This happened. So, but yeah, Like I said.

00:39:04.970 --> 00:39:09.170
<v Sam>I hadn't really heard of it. I mean, it somehow got on my list, but like, yeah.

00:39:09.430 --> 00:39:13.610
<v Ivan>And you liked it, and I saw the reviews, and it's a very big thumbs up as well

00:39:13.610 --> 00:39:15.130
<v Ivan>from other people who have watched it.

00:39:15.130 --> 00:39:19.490
<v Sam>It is worth looking up. I'm sure it's on one of the streaming services,

00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:25.170
<v Sam>or you can buy it on Apple or something, but it's worth it. It's a good movie.

00:39:25.270 --> 00:39:31.230
<v Sam>I enjoyed it. Now, if you like that sort of, you know, kid goes on an adventure,

00:39:31.750 --> 00:39:36.790
<v Sam>there's family dynamics and it pulls on your heartstrings kind of movie, then you'll like this.

00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:41.050
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. With that, let's knock this sucker out.

00:39:41.150 --> 00:39:46.090
<v Sam>Let's take a break and then we'll come back and talk about the news. Back after this.

00:41:46.910 --> 00:41:53.190
<v Sam>Okay, and with that, Yvonne, your pick. What newsy thing shall we start with today?

00:41:54.370 --> 00:41:58.730
<v Ivan>Thank you. Yeah, I, uh, shit.

00:42:00.350 --> 00:42:03.310
<v Sam>Tough choice? Nothing exciting you?

00:42:03.710 --> 00:42:04.990
<v Ivan>I hate all of it.

00:42:08.530 --> 00:42:10.110
<v Sam>We could just do more movies.

00:42:10.310 --> 00:42:10.510
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:11.730
<v Sam>Yes.

00:42:11.970 --> 00:42:17.670
<v Ivan>Wait, it's not on the list, but... So, Trump was on the roof of the White House.

00:42:17.850 --> 00:42:18.530
<v Sam>Right?

00:42:19.010 --> 00:42:20.130
<v Ivan>This was this week.

00:42:20.190 --> 00:42:21.570
<v Sam>Right? That was real. That did happen.

00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:29.370
<v Ivan>What the fuck is going on, Sam? I mean, what the... What in the fuck? I mean... Sam!

00:42:29.750 --> 00:42:30.410
<v Sam>Sam! So, wait.

00:42:30.410 --> 00:42:35.770
<v Ivan>Sam! The President of the United States, out of the blue, all of a sudden,

00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:40.450
<v Ivan>is walking around yelling at the roof of the White House.

00:42:40.850 --> 00:42:46.410
<v Sam>No, no. So there's the joke answer, and then there is a real explanation as far as I can tell.

00:42:47.470 --> 00:42:51.450
<v Sam>So the joke answer is, like, he shot up on the roof, and the reporters down

00:42:51.450 --> 00:42:54.990
<v Sam>on the ground were like, Hey, sir, why are you on the roof?

00:42:55.310 --> 00:42:55.710
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:55.830 --> 00:42:59.430
<v Sam>And he's like, I'm taking a walk. I'm just going for a stroll.

00:42:59.450 --> 00:43:04.050
<v Sam>Yeah, that is what he said. And then he yelled back and forth at the reporters for a while. but if

00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:07.650
<v Sam>you listen to the continued conversation after

00:43:07.650 --> 00:43:10.550
<v Sam>that it looks like this is yet

00:43:10.550 --> 00:43:17.190
<v Sam>more donald trump looking at remodeling the white house stuff he's like he he's

00:43:17.190 --> 00:43:21.750
<v Sam>talking about like building some additional stuff up there on the roof like

00:43:21.750 --> 00:43:25.610
<v Sam>he made some hand gestures like maybe he was going to build a dome of some sort

00:43:25.610 --> 00:43:28.510
<v Sam>up there um is this still crazy.

00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:33.790
<v Ivan>Shit sam we're in I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

00:43:34.430 --> 00:43:38.130
<v Sam>And he wasn't by himself. He had the Secret Service and other people with him up there.

00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:42.150
<v Ivan>Yeah, there were some people there that looked not too pleased about him being

00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:43.990
<v Ivan>on the fucking roof, by the way.

00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:48.540
<v Ivan>Those people were not looking like, oh, yeah, this is a great idea.

00:43:49.100 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Sam>Uh-huh. Look, he wants to build a giant golden dome on top of the White House roof.

00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. There keeps more gold in the fucking Oval Office.

00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.560
<v Sam>Every time you look at the Oval Office, there's more gold.

00:44:02.620 --> 00:44:06.460
<v Ivan>It's like a fucking... I mean, what the hell? And the mirrors...

00:44:06.460 --> 00:44:09.820
<v Sam>Did you see the patio that they replaced the Rose Garden with?

00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Ivan>Oh, God. Yeah, with the fucking...

00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.540
<v Sam>It's also got the gold umbrellas. golden umbrellas,

00:44:18.160 --> 00:44:24.240
<v Sam>I yeah so yes he was around on a roof but he had a purpose,

00:44:25.060 --> 00:44:30.200
<v Sam>sort of although it's unclear for real what he was like there's no real information

00:44:30.200 --> 00:44:33.580
<v Sam>about oh yeah he's considering building X or whatever it was just,

00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:38.980
<v Sam>bullshitting while he was talking up there and like who knows what was serious

00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:42.820
<v Sam>and what was a joke and what wasn't and whatever but I mean.

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.780
<v Ivan>Of course, he keeps saying that he's paying for with donors for this fucking

00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:49.040
<v Ivan>golden fucking ballroom.

00:44:49.580 --> 00:44:53.720
<v Sam>Well, but now let me understand to build this ballroom.

00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:58.520
<v Sam>They basically have to demolish a huge portion of the existing White House to

00:44:58.520 --> 00:44:59.640
<v Sam>replace it with this thing, right?

00:45:00.180 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Ivan>I that's not what I understood. I understood that.

00:45:03.540 --> 00:45:06.240
<v Sam>Are they squeezing it in between the existing?

00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.540
<v Ivan>They're squeezing it in. Yeah.

00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:12.160
<v Sam>Oh, sort of where that long hallway is that goes off to the east wing or whatever.

00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Ivan>Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that is my understanding. Yeah.

00:45:15.640 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Ivan>They're just going to squeeze it in.

00:45:17.260 --> 00:45:21.680
<v Sam>I thought they were going to actually like gut the existing building.

00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:27.780
<v Ivan>Nah. But my whole point about this is, this is the shit that is just in his head.

00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Ivan>And then, then he was there the other day with a whole bunch of charts.

00:45:32.770 --> 00:45:36.050
<v Ivan>about the economy about the economy and

00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:40.190
<v Ivan>i don't know with a whole bunch of but but but he didn't even he started showing

00:45:40.190 --> 00:45:43.270
<v Ivan>these charts he doesn't even know what the fuck they say and he's just saying

00:45:43.270 --> 00:45:46.790
<v Ivan>look look at these numbers they're great numbers wonderful numbers you don't

00:45:46.790 --> 00:45:55.170
<v Ivan>even know what the fuck's on the charts yeah the line went up right and then we were tariffing gold,

00:45:55.970 --> 00:45:59.950
<v Ivan>and then they're trying to clarify we're not tariffing gold because.

00:45:59.950 --> 00:46:00.850
<v Sam>The swiss were upset.

00:46:00.850 --> 00:46:05.990
<v Ivan>Well, the Swiss were here this week, and I don't think Trump even talked to

00:46:05.990 --> 00:46:09.910
<v Ivan>the president of Switzerland, which I'm guessing is because he didn't talk to

00:46:09.910 --> 00:46:11.070
<v Ivan>her because she's a woman.

00:46:11.710 --> 00:46:14.250
<v Ivan>And he's just a sexist prick as well.

00:46:14.690 --> 00:46:15.270
<v Sam>Okay.

00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:17.210
<v Ivan>Aside from a pedophile.

00:46:18.610 --> 00:46:24.950
<v Sam>Yes. So is our theme here Trump's mental health and competence?

00:46:25.270 --> 00:46:30.070
<v Sam>I mean. Because we've talked about this before. I mean, he was never very good,

00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:31.350
<v Sam>and he's been getting worse.

00:46:31.810 --> 00:46:38.270
<v Ivan>Worse? And then, you know, I don't know. I'm going to give—listen.

00:46:39.070 --> 00:46:46.730
<v Sam>Oh, and of course, we can't hear about anything else on TV other than Trump's mental decline, right?

00:46:46.810 --> 00:46:49.910
<v Sam>Because that's what happened to Biden when he had a couple missteps.

00:46:50.310 --> 00:46:54.390
<v Ivan>Right. Look, I know that—I'm pretty sure that Jake Tapper is working on his

00:46:54.390 --> 00:46:57.670
<v Ivan>book right now on Trump's mental decline. Yes.

00:46:57.870 --> 00:47:04.570
<v Sam>Yes, and non-stop coverage about how he should resign because he clearly doesn't

00:47:04.570 --> 00:47:05.670
<v Sam>know what he's doing anymore, right?

00:47:06.130 --> 00:47:07.210
<v Ivan>Right, yeah.

00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Ivan>I got a fucking lunatic president walking through the fucking roof in the middle

00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.600
<v Ivan>of the day in the White House. And I'm like, oh, what the fuck is going on?

00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.140
<v Ivan>And yelling at reporters up there.

00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.260
<v Sam>Well, if he didn't yell, they wouldn't have been able to hear him.

00:47:24.520 --> 00:47:27.160
<v Ivan>That's true. Yes. Yeah. Good point.

00:47:27.380 --> 00:47:28.200
<v Sam>And they were yelling at him.

00:47:28.780 --> 00:47:37.100
<v Ivan>Yeah. And then apparently now he's trying to insert himself into the New York

00:47:37.100 --> 00:47:39.740
<v Ivan>City mayor race. that he's trying to endorse everybody.

00:47:40.140 --> 00:47:44.860
<v Ivan>You know, so he's trying to endorse the supposed Democrats that are against

00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:47.460
<v Ivan>Madami. Oh, God. Let me butcher his name.

00:47:47.700 --> 00:47:48.100
<v Sam>Madami.

00:47:48.680 --> 00:47:49.080
<v Ivan>Madami.

00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:50.660
<v Sam>I'm sorry. Madami.

00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck.

00:47:51.380 --> 00:47:52.780
<v Sam>See, now you got me having to check.

00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:56.660
<v Ivan>Oh, God. I'm sorry. I should know this by now.

00:47:59.240 --> 00:48:01.040
<v Sam>Did you find it? Did you find it? Did you find it?

00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:05.980
<v Ivan>I'm working on it. Mamdani. Mamdani. Sorry.

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.220
<v Ivan>Mamdani. Fuck, Jesus.

00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.600
<v Sam>There he is. Zoran Mamdani.

00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Sam>Okay. Yes. Continue.

00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:25.060
<v Ivan>He's scheming with Cuomo for the New York mayor's race?

00:48:25.060 --> 00:48:30.720
<v Sam>Well, there were reports they had a call. Cuomo denies it was about the race

00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:34.380
<v Sam>at all, but he didn't actually deny there was a call.

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.680
<v Sam>Meanwhile, Mom Downey is, of course, running with it that, you know,

00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:42.580
<v Sam>clearly a vote for Cuomo or Adams is really a vote for Trump.

00:48:43.140 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:48:43.540 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Sam>Yeah. This like.

00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.460
<v Ivan>Is that, I mean, it's true. I mean, Eric Adams cut a deal with him.

00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:51.420
<v Sam>Yes.

00:48:52.420 --> 00:48:56.680
<v Ivan>So he's in his pocket. And it seems like Cuomo, for some reason,

00:48:56.680 --> 00:49:01.820
<v Ivan>also is like playing, you know, for Trump, too.

00:49:02.930 --> 00:49:05.650
<v Ivan>Yeah, that is what that is what it seems like right now.

00:49:06.250 --> 00:49:09.230
<v Sam>Well, I think the thing is, I mean, at various times.

00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:12.190
<v Ivan>Here's the problem, Cuomo just wants to win. He doesn't care.

00:49:12.790 --> 00:49:18.350
<v Sam>Yes, I was going to say that at various times in the past, Cuomo has positioned himself as anti-Trump.

00:49:18.810 --> 00:49:23.630
<v Sam>He's also positioned himself as like, hey, I can I can work with whoever I can

00:49:23.630 --> 00:49:25.090
<v Sam>get things done, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:25.490 --> 00:49:27.990
<v Sam>He's positioned himself a whole bunch of different ways.

00:49:29.850 --> 00:49:32.630
<v Sam>the whole Cuomo thing just pisses me off.

00:49:32.770 --> 00:49:34.550
<v Ivan>Oh my God. To no end.

00:49:34.950 --> 00:49:39.630
<v Sam>You know, like after what happened to you go slink away and disappear.

00:49:39.950 --> 00:49:40.430
<v Ivan>Right.

00:49:40.710 --> 00:49:48.430
<v Sam>You know, like you've got plenty of money. You'll do fine. Just go retire. Kick your feet up.

00:49:48.430 --> 00:49:51.750
<v Ivan>Watch some TV. Like, like, like fucking like what's his name?

00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:55.210
<v Ivan>Giuliani. He could be collecting a couple of billion bucks a year.

00:49:55.750 --> 00:50:00.630
<v Sam>There's a bunch of things he could do. He does not have to go back and run for office again.

00:50:01.070 --> 00:50:05.270
<v Sam>I mean, you resigned in disgrace. Come on.

00:50:06.230 --> 00:50:09.410
<v Sam>Of course, the lesson all of these people have been having, I mean,

00:50:09.490 --> 00:50:14.530
<v Sam>the lesson from Trump himself getting reelected and everybody else is never

00:50:14.530 --> 00:50:17.450
<v Sam>resign, double down and screw it.

00:50:18.290 --> 00:50:22.850
<v Ivan>Okay. Here's one thing on the New York race. I looked up to see if there was any recent polling.

00:50:22.850 --> 00:50:28.230
<v Ivan>Recent polling right now, this is about five days ago that I found here on The

00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:32.210
<v Ivan>Race, a new poll found with a significant lead in the current field of five

00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:36.430
<v Ivan>candidates, attaining 50% of the vote, regardless of his opponent.

00:50:37.700 --> 00:50:43.920
<v Sam>Now, unlike the first round, this isn't any funky runoff, multiple choice, whatever.

00:50:44.160 --> 00:50:48.900
<v Sam>This is just like whoever gets the most votes wins, right? There's not even a runoff.

00:50:48.900 --> 00:50:53.600
<v Ivan>Let me see. The combined little support for... Let me see.

00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:58.760
<v Ivan>Actually, I'm not sure, so I'm checking to see if they got ranked choice polling for the...

00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.220
<v Sam>I think that was only for the primary.

00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:07.800
<v Ivan>My number is going to... misconducted, 2.0, I support never dips below 50% and

00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.080
<v Ivan>only increases in a thinner field of candidates.

00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:12.640
<v Ivan>For example, in a hypothetical four-way race without Cuomo,

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:19.180
<v Ivan>Mamdani's support rose to 55%. In a four-way race without Adams,

00:51:19.500 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Ivan>his support rose to 51%. Mamdani is the only candidate of five that the majority

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:27.460
<v Ivan>of respondents, 58%, said he would consider voting for in November's election.

00:51:28.420 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Ivan>In comparison to the 37%, they were voting for Cuomo, 27% they were voting for younger Adams.

00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:37.340
<v Ivan>It's a very like the Republican doesn't exist in this election, basically.

00:51:37.600 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Sam>Essentially, yeah. I mean, Republicans have been mayor in New York many times

00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.140
<v Sam>before. You mentioned Giuliani.

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.300
<v Sam>Yeah, but this is... Bloomberg was a Republican before he was a Democrat.

00:51:50.380 --> 00:51:54.620
<v Sam>But, you know, it takes a certain situation for that to occur.

00:51:55.100 --> 00:51:58.820
<v Ivan>Yeah, and it's not happening right now. But it's looking like it doesn't matter

00:51:58.820 --> 00:52:01.460
<v Ivan>who he's trying to, like, support.

00:52:03.220 --> 00:52:08.040
<v Sam>I have answered my question in New York City.

00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Sam>Primary elections are conducted with rank choice voting while first past the

00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.560
<v Sam>post is used for general elections.

00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:20.520
<v Sam>So that means whoever, whoever has the plurality, they don't even have to get 50%.

00:52:20.520 --> 00:52:24.820
<v Ivan>Oh, beautiful. So he's got the edge. Like, like, you know, yeah,

00:52:24.980 --> 00:52:28.040
<v Ivan>he's got, he's got a, he's got a total edge. So.

00:52:28.900 --> 00:52:36.560
<v Ivan>Okay. So, yeah. So it's looking like he's, you know, he's looking like he's

00:52:36.560 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Ivan>definitely way ahead. So.

00:52:38.200 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Sam>And by the way, there's still all sorts of leadership Democrats hedging their bets on this guy.

00:52:42.980 --> 00:52:46.740
<v Ivan>By the way, they're idiots. Okay. I just went and I went to this,

00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.060
<v Ivan>I searched on the, on this and I got ads.

00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Ivan>CBP is hiring officers now. Serve your country while earning a competitive salary

00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.540
<v Ivan>and benefits with a CBP. Apply today.

00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.680
<v Ivan>so there's a career option for you sam.

00:53:00.680 --> 00:53:04.480
<v Sam>Border patrol yeah you.

00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:09.560
<v Ivan>Could go and like they could partner you up with dean kane you met you guys are the dream team.

00:53:09.560 --> 00:53:14.880
<v Sam>For those who didn't see see dean kane who's one of the actors who played uh

00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:20.560
<v Sam>superman in a tv series a while back who's basically hasn't had a active acting

00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:27.120
<v Sam>career lately and came out as a rabid mega conservative type has said he's joining ICE.

00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.100
<v Ivan>He must be doing really well since he's joining ICE.

00:53:31.080 --> 00:53:36.820
<v Sam>Well, and ICE apparently said, too, he'll be there sort of in a symbolic fashion.

00:53:37.580 --> 00:53:38.180
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Sam>It's not like he's actually going to be out on the street doing stuff.

00:53:41.300 --> 00:53:46.340
<v Ivan>I mean, so he's lying, really, because I figured he just signed up to be a fucking officer.

00:53:46.560 --> 00:53:49.680
<v Ivan>But, well, to help all these guys lie about everything.

00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:54.860
<v Sam>Well, this seems like a natural segue into the South Park episode on...

00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:58.860
<v Ivan>Oh, you know,

00:53:59.600 --> 00:54:04.740
<v Ivan>the one thing about this, this whole thing, the South Park episode where they,

00:54:04.820 --> 00:54:10.660
<v Ivan>they had Kristi Noem on shooting every puppy that appeared on TV.

00:54:11.180 --> 00:54:13.940
<v Sam>Which by the way i have not seen the whole

00:54:13.940 --> 00:54:16.660
<v Sam>episode but i have seen multiple clips yvonne shared on

00:54:16.660 --> 00:54:19.520
<v Sam>the curmudgeon's corner slack the the first clip

00:54:19.520 --> 00:54:22.900
<v Sam>where she was shooting puppies which apparently she was like shooting a commercial

00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:28.400
<v Sam>in a south park episode she was shooting a commercial to recruit for ice and

00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:33.100
<v Sam>it was basically like you know the theme of it is no qualifications anymore

00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:38.500
<v Sam>we don't care who you are you can join but she kept getting distracted by having to shoot puppies,

00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Sam>that wandered by or whatever.

00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:50.200
<v Sam>But apparently, from other clips I've seen, this was a recurring theme throughout the entire episode.

00:54:50.540 --> 00:54:57.780
<v Sam>And the closing credits had her running into a pet store and just shooting up

00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Sam>the whole place and killing everything in there.

00:55:01.660 --> 00:55:02.740
<v Ivan>Ha ha ha!

00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:08.220
<v Ivan>And the thing is that, you know, while she's doing this.

00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Sam>By the way, apparently she's all this.

00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, I was going to get to that. And while she's, you know,

00:55:14.040 --> 00:55:18.160
<v Ivan>motivating all these people with all this Nazi sloganeering and shit,

00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Ivan>whatever, whatnot, and shooting puppies in front of them.

00:55:21.040 --> 00:55:25.040
<v Ivan>The one thing is that her makeup starts falling apart. OK.

00:55:25.200 --> 00:55:25.380
<v Sam>Right.

00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Ivan>And then an entire coterie of aides come in to try to fix her.

00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Ivan>And her whole takeaway from this was that they were ragging on her looks.

00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:40.240
<v Ivan>That's what she took away from this. And I'm just like, wait a second.

00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Ivan>Not that you're shooting the puppies.

00:55:42.720 --> 00:55:47.500
<v Ivan>Not that you're being basically a Nazi on TV.

00:55:49.060 --> 00:55:52.380
<v Ivan>And by the way, what they were mocking wasn't the looks.

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:59.620
<v Ivan>What they were mocking was her obsession on the looks, which basically trumped,

00:55:59.660 --> 00:56:05.420
<v Ivan>pun intended, everything else, okay, because its image is everything for this woman.

00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:09.600
<v Sam>Well, it's more than that, too. They were also mocking the general tendency,

00:56:09.600 --> 00:56:12.820
<v Sam>if you look at women in Trump world.

00:56:13.080 --> 00:56:15.380
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck, yeah. They're all, holy shit.

00:56:17.700 --> 00:56:21.620
<v Sam>You can see, if you Google this online, you can see before and after.

00:56:21.620 --> 00:56:23.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's a Mar-a-Lago look.

00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.580
<v Sam>Where before, they looked like normal women.

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:27.380
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:56:27.600 --> 00:56:32.140
<v Sam>And then the after, they've had, like, in some cases, it's just makeup.

00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:34.200
<v Sam>In some cases, there's plastic surgery.

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.860
<v Sam>There's whatever. But there's a specific look.

00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:38.680
<v Ivan>Oh, shit.

00:56:39.740 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Sam>And as far as I'm concerned, they universally look worse.

00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. So much worse. Holy shit.

00:56:46.180 --> 00:56:52.620
<v Sam>It's like you looked like a normal, like, attractive woman. And now you look

00:56:52.620 --> 00:56:56.120
<v Sam>like some sort of, I don't even know what.

00:56:56.420 --> 00:57:01.320
<v Ivan>Some kind of Frankenstein, you know, experiment is what they look like afterwards.

00:57:02.380 --> 00:57:07.980
<v Ivan>Holy shit. Yeah. So they're mocking that, not the way that she actually looked,

00:57:08.100 --> 00:57:11.780
<v Ivan>but their obsession with this look and the obsession with the looks.

00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:18.080
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, she was standing, like I mentioned, she was standing in front of a jail in El Salvador.

00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:25.160
<v Ivan>Okay, a jail. A gulag, basically, that they created in fucking El Salvador wearing an $80,000 watch.

00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:31.500
<v Ivan>You know, and I'm not like going, and again, as I said, tell me where the fuck

00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:32.780
<v Ivan>this money's coming from, Sam.

00:57:33.180 --> 00:57:37.980
<v Ivan>Because this woman never made more than a hundred and some odd thousand dollars a year. Okay?

00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:43.140
<v Ivan>Before she got to this job. And somehow she was wearing an $80,000 watch.

00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:44.900
<v Ivan>You want to explain that one to me?

00:57:45.420 --> 00:57:46.120
<v Sam>Trump coin.

00:57:46.560 --> 00:57:52.860
<v Ivan>Ah! Trump coin. Yeah. Forgot about that. Now you can hold it in your 401k.

00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.580
<v Sam>I, I've, I've heard.

00:57:56.100 --> 00:58:02.080
<v Ivan>Yeah. Now, you know, we, we could, we could buy the Trump coins into our 401k.

00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:03.240
<v Ivan>Prepare for a retirement.

00:58:04.940 --> 00:58:05.460
<v Ivan>Excellent.

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:12.860
<v Sam>Okay. Also, any other general ranting about the Trump administration you wanted?

00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.640
<v Ivan>Yes. Tim Apple went to the White House.

00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:20.380
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah, I was going to bring that up if you didn't. Go ahead. Tell me about Tim Apple.

00:58:21.200 --> 00:58:21.460
<v Ivan>Look,

00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:29.360
<v Ivan>first say what he did before you talk about it. He went to the White House.

00:58:29.660 --> 00:58:35.740
<v Ivan>Look, he has been the company's getting hit from all sides on all these tariff

00:58:35.740 --> 00:58:39.300
<v Ivan>announcements and all this shit, you know, move production to India.

00:58:39.540 --> 00:58:41.940
<v Ivan>Then there were tariffs on India. They were talking about tariffs on chips.

00:58:42.140 --> 00:58:43.380
<v Ivan>They're talking about everything.

00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:47.980
<v Ivan>And because Apple, unlike a lot of their competitors right now,

00:58:48.100 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Ivan>the other, you know, big Silicon Valley companies, okay, you know,

00:58:52.680 --> 00:58:57.900
<v Ivan>the only two that really move massive amount of goods are Amazon and Apple.

00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:03.020
<v Ivan>Okay. The rest are which is, you know, advertising, software, whatever.

00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:07.020
<v Ivan>They don't have, they're not, they're not, the impact of this shit isn't hitting

00:59:07.020 --> 00:59:08.940
<v Ivan>them. But Apple definitely is,

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:16.320
<v Ivan>looking at this, and it's problematic. And so they went with an olive branch

00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.240
<v Ivan>to the White House to formally declare,

00:59:19.780 --> 00:59:23.500
<v Ivan>that they were going to invest $100 billion in certain specific manufacturing

00:59:23.500 --> 00:59:28.420
<v Ivan>that they figured that they could do in the U.S., basically to try to get that

00:59:28.420 --> 00:59:33.100
<v Ivan>in exchange for not having to bring fucking iPhone production to the U.S.

00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:35.680
<v Sam>Wait, wait. Don't forget the little...

00:59:35.680 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Ivan>Wait, wait, wait. But part of the whole thing was the presentation of this,

00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:42.660
<v Ivan>because they were manufacturing glass,

00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:47.520
<v Ivan>Corning Glass factory, and one of the things that they were doing is this presentation

00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:51.580
<v Ivan>of this glass plaque with an Apple logo with a commitment to it with a base

00:59:51.580 --> 00:59:52.880
<v Ivan>made out of 24 karat gold.

00:59:53.980 --> 00:59:57.860
<v Ivan>Yes. Hey, anybody worried about gift limits to the White House anymore?

00:59:58.940 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Sam>No. And I hadn't heard, like, traditionally gifts like this officially belong to the government.

01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.300
<v Sam>It's not a gift to the individual Okay.

01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.160
<v Ivan>Do you think that's staying in the White House?

01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.380
<v Sam>Here's what I think Like, it may officially be a gift to a government But just

01:00:16.380 --> 01:00:19.480
<v Sam>like everything else, Donald Trump will just take it Like, he did that Didn't

01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.100
<v Sam>he take, like, some sports trophy a couple weeks ago?

01:00:22.660 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Ivan>He took, yes, he took the fucking trophy From the damn FIFA tournament And he

01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:35.440
<v Ivan>kept the damn thing They had to make a replica to give it to the fucking winners Yes.

01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.720
<v Sam>So, yeah, he's going to take the damn thing. I mean, he, you know,

01:00:40.340 --> 01:00:44.600
<v Sam>remember there was a whole thing about stuff he took to Mar-a-Lago that he wasn't

01:00:44.600 --> 01:00:46.920
<v Sam>supposed to take. He got invited for that shit.

01:00:47.180 --> 01:00:49.340
<v Sam>Of course he's going to take things like this.

01:00:50.120 --> 01:00:53.820
<v Sam>I will say, before we talk a little bit more about Tim Apple,

01:00:54.140 --> 01:00:57.760
<v Sam>and we're calling him Tim Apple because Donald Trump called him that once.

01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:02.120
<v Sam>But the thing is,

01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:11.780
<v Sam>from what I've read after this, is it not true that basically everything Apple

01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Sam>promised that they were going to do, they were already doing anyway?

01:01:17.620 --> 01:01:21.120
<v Ivan>I believe that the previous—you know what?

01:01:21.260 --> 01:01:27.580
<v Sam>Like, they talked about making this glass in Kentucky. They already are making that glass in Kentucky.

01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.860
<v Sam>Now, they may be committing to make more. I don't know.

01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:34.500
<v Sam>But like it seems like a common theme,

01:01:34.680 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Sam>a common theme in all of these deals with Donald Trump is whether it's whether

01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:46.080
<v Sam>it's Apple or whether it's other countries is to dig up things they were already

01:01:46.080 --> 01:01:50.920
<v Sam>doing or planning on doing anyway and serving them up on a silver platter and saying,

01:01:51.060 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Sam>OK, we're going to do this and let Donald Trump claim it as a way.

01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.340
<v Ivan>Silver, silver, gold platter. What are you talking about?

01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:56.560
<v Sam>Gold platter, sorry.

01:01:56.680 --> 01:01:58.060
<v Ivan>Is that a gold platter?

01:01:58.180 --> 01:01:59.320
<v Sam>Yes, it has to be gold. Sorry.

01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:00.020
<v Ivan>Yes. My bad.

01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Ivan>Well, so is that right? I did not look into the details of this.

01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:09.820
<v Ivan>I did not whether that was already in the plans or not.

01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:14.300
<v Ivan>However, what I will say is that it is in most of the cases,

01:02:14.520 --> 01:02:16.120
<v Ivan>like you've mentioned, that has been the case.

01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:20.920
<v Ivan>The reality is that, you know, that Trump didn't know any. It wouldn't have known about it anyway.

01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:25.300
<v Ivan>And so, therefore, in large part, you know, just going up there and showing

01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:27.420
<v Ivan>him, hey, we did make a commitment to build.

01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:32.220
<v Ivan>This is what it is. don't fucking tear off my goddamn phones and chips.

01:02:32.220 --> 01:02:33.580
<v Sam>Right and.

01:02:33.580 --> 01:02:34.060
<v Ivan>He said yes.

01:02:34.060 --> 01:02:37.840
<v Sam>Yeah yeah so apple got the exemption that you

01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:42.640
<v Sam>know they're like we're throwing these massive massive thing on chips but not

01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:47.200
<v Sam>you guys because you said you would do this and and part of it is also again

01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Sam>it is the optics it is coming to the white house yeah it is kissing the ring

01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.380
<v Sam>it is telling donald how wonderful it is.

01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:05.180
<v Sam>It is giving him the golden glass thingamabob and saying, we're going to do all this stuff.

01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:08.880
<v Sam>Again, whether or not you are going to do it anyway doesn't matter.

01:03:09.120 --> 01:03:15.340
<v Sam>It is the physical act of sucking up to Donald Trump that gets you your exemption.

01:03:15.680 --> 01:03:20.160
<v Sam>And so then I've seen a lot of criticism that says, this is really disgusting.

01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:25.560
<v Sam>Tim Cook, see, I used his real name that time going and doing this stuff but

01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:28.600
<v Sam>at the same time he got his company the damn exemption.

01:03:28.600 --> 01:03:33.540
<v Ivan>Exactly you know he's looking for out for his shareholders and his employees

01:03:33.540 --> 01:03:37.600
<v Ivan>he's like you know the fuck am i gonna do and let us get fucked by this guy

01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:41.020
<v Ivan>look i i'm gonna say this probably,

01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:46.460
<v Ivan>most of you know if you had told me like say 10 years ago hey ivan do you want

01:03:46.460 --> 01:03:49.780
<v Ivan>to be ceo of apple I would have been like, absolutely. I'll take the job.

01:03:50.520 --> 01:03:55.120
<v Ivan>I want that job. I would have loved to take that job. I would have taken that job.

01:03:55.720 --> 01:04:00.060
<v Ivan>You ask me right now, do I want to be CEO of Apple? Having to deal with this

01:04:00.060 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Ivan>shit? I would be like, fuck no.

01:04:02.990 --> 01:04:06.990
<v Ivan>I don't want to be in Tim's shoes. This is, you know, some people have been

01:04:06.990 --> 01:04:10.490
<v Ivan>talking about replacing him, whatever, Weld or behind whatever.

01:04:10.750 --> 01:04:16.370
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. This fucking nightmare, fucking scenario that as

01:04:16.370 --> 01:04:19.950
<v Ivan>executives of many companies are having to deal with, with this fucking Trump

01:04:19.950 --> 01:04:23.770
<v Ivan>administration, which operates like a mob enterprise, okay,

01:04:24.470 --> 01:04:27.810
<v Ivan>that you're getting shaken down by Donald

01:04:27.810 --> 01:04:32.450
<v Ivan>Trump every time you go over there is a fucking nightmare for anybody who has

01:04:32.450 --> 01:04:37.390
<v Ivan>been a ceo of a public company during their during their lives it's the worst

01:04:37.390 --> 01:04:44.610
<v Ivan>fucking environment to to to fucking have to operate no i wouldn't want the job right now no because.

01:04:44.610 --> 01:04:49.670
<v Sam>Nothing's about like hey here are the fixed rules that you have to play in and

01:04:49.670 --> 01:04:55.550
<v Sam>then figure out how to do that instead it's all 100 about can you suck up enough

01:04:55.550 --> 01:04:57.570
<v Sam>to donald trump that he doesn't.

01:04:57.570 --> 01:05:01.830
<v Ivan>Go after you. Yeah, basically. Like you did Intel CEO this week.

01:05:02.390 --> 01:05:03.910
<v Sam>Tell that story.

01:05:04.150 --> 01:05:07.890
<v Ivan>Apparently, I don't know what the Chinese ties that he have and Intel's problems.

01:05:08.090 --> 01:05:11.790
<v Ivan>All of a sudden, Donald Trump started demanding that Intel fire CEO.

01:05:13.410 --> 01:05:20.710
<v Sam>Now, what Donald Trump and company have said is all sorts of conflicts of interest with China.

01:05:21.190 --> 01:05:21.330
<v Ivan>Right.

01:05:21.490 --> 01:05:24.570
<v Sam>But is there truth to that?

01:05:24.570 --> 01:05:27.010
<v Ivan>I have seen no basis for that.

01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:28.510
<v Sam>Or is it just like...

01:05:28.510 --> 01:05:29.930
<v Ivan>This is just racism as far as I can tell.

01:05:30.090 --> 01:05:32.470
<v Sam>That's what I was going to say. Is it just flat out racism?

01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:35.170
<v Ivan>The guy's Chinese. It seems like it, yes.

01:05:36.050 --> 01:05:38.610
<v Sam>Is he going to go after every CEO that's not white?

01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:44.530
<v Ivan>I don't know. He hasn't gone after a Microsoft guy, Satya.

01:05:45.130 --> 01:05:46.470
<v Sam>Yeah. Yet.

01:05:46.930 --> 01:05:53.490
<v Ivan>Yet. I don't know. But look, it wouldn't be... I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if he does it.

01:05:54.850 --> 01:05:58.050
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, the guy is a rampant racist.

01:06:00.270 --> 01:06:04.550
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Anything else on this or should we take a break?

01:06:05.070 --> 01:06:07.590
<v Sam>I promise not to bring up Donald Trump in the next.

01:06:07.630 --> 01:06:14.410
<v Ivan>Uh, I see if there's anything, you know, nah, there, there's nothing, there's nothing else.

01:06:14.410 --> 01:06:19.150
<v Ivan>I had made a, I had, I had left an item from, no, from previously talking about

01:06:19.150 --> 01:06:22.430
<v Ivan>reshoring and I was not going to happen anytime soon. And it,

01:06:22.630 --> 01:06:26.210
<v Ivan>it, and, and really this whole thing with Apple, the whole thing was affirming.

01:06:26.370 --> 01:06:29.350
<v Ivan>It was, it was precisely affirming that.

01:06:29.850 --> 01:06:34.950
<v Ivan>but they're like dude we can't bring this fucking production here it's just we could bring this,

01:06:35.890 --> 01:06:41.430
<v Ivan>but that the the rest of the shit you're talking about impossible that's what this is all about,

01:06:41.910 --> 01:06:44.850
<v Ivan>everybody else is getting killed look the automaker i don't

01:06:44.850 --> 01:06:47.470
<v Ivan>know why the automakers can't get a can't get a

01:06:47.470 --> 01:06:50.770
<v Ivan>break from him okay because gm

01:06:50.770 --> 01:06:56.170
<v Ivan>and ford are getting hammered by by the the tariffs they're getting hammered

01:06:56.170 --> 01:07:01.930
<v Ivan>and they haven't been able to go and like get some kind of like way of presenting

01:07:01.930 --> 01:07:07.790
<v Ivan>him a golden tire or something i don't know whatever so he could get him off their backs,

01:07:08.470 --> 01:07:15.110
<v Ivan>right now the current trade deals favor you making a car in japan and bringing

01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:17.390
<v Ivan>it over versus making one in the u.s.

01:07:17.390 --> 01:07:24.350
<v Sam>Right it's it's insane because of high tariffs on raw materials and a relatively

01:07:24.350 --> 01:07:27.290
<v Sam>low tariff on Japan after the latest deal they gave.

01:07:27.590 --> 01:07:27.790
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:29.220
<v Sam>Yes.

01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:30.820
<v Ivan>It's nuts.

01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.940
<v Sam>Because once again, the theme on all these tariffs, which by the way,

01:07:35.140 --> 01:07:39.480
<v Sam>all of the tariffs that had been put off over and over and over again,

01:07:39.640 --> 01:07:41.600
<v Sam>most of them went into effect this week as well.

01:07:41.740 --> 01:07:42.000
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:07:42.340 --> 01:07:47.520
<v Sam>Now, who knows if they'll last, what the deal is, but we now basically have

01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:51.980
<v Sam>this baseline 15, 16% across the board worldwide.

01:07:51.980 --> 01:07:56.420
<v Ivan>The average that was calculated by some people is 18%, but even some guy today

01:07:56.420 --> 01:07:57.540
<v Ivan>on Bloomberg said, look.

01:07:57.540 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Sam>There's a lot of ups and downs and differences.

01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:00.220
<v Ivan>It's so complicated.

01:08:00.540 --> 01:08:00.980
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.040
<v Ivan>And that he's still, look, I don't understand how some of the people are even getting to that number.

01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:08.500
<v Sam>It's complicated. Because there's a lot of rules.

01:08:08.660 --> 01:08:12.200
<v Ivan>Exemptions, things, certain materials don't apply, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:12.520 --> 01:08:15.940
<v Sam>But also, and again, no rhyme or reason to it either.

01:08:15.980 --> 01:08:17.240
<v Ivan>No, there's no rhyme or reason.

01:08:17.240 --> 01:08:21.860
<v Sam>Like it's all over, it's all about who has sucked up to Donald lately.

01:08:22.420 --> 01:08:27.820
<v Sam>Yeah. You know, basically. basically and so it's not like there's some sort

01:08:27.820 --> 01:08:35.660
<v Sam>of coherent philosophical tariff worldview that you apply and get this other

01:08:35.660 --> 01:08:42.160
<v Sam>than tariffs are cool and they're something i can use to like beat people over the head of it.

01:08:42.160 --> 01:08:45.980
<v Ivan>I would never imagine that somebody would ever utter the phrase tariffs are

01:08:45.980 --> 01:08:50.840
<v Ivan>cool can i can i just say that that is just the you know that was a phrase that

01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:55.620
<v Ivan>i I never expected in my whole fucking lifetime to hear.

01:08:57.540 --> 01:09:00.180
<v Ivan>By the way, but how complicated it is.

01:09:00.380 --> 01:09:01.040
<v Sam>Okay, go.

01:09:01.120 --> 01:09:04.300
<v Ivan>You know that Trump said Brazil 50% tariff, right?

01:09:04.580 --> 01:09:05.140
<v Sam>Yes, yes.

01:09:05.620 --> 01:09:11.420
<v Ivan>Well, apparently there are so many buts in it that it really isn't the 50% tariff.

01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:13.200
<v Sam>OK, tell.

01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:19.240
<v Ivan>I'm not I'm not sure which ones, you know, here it is. It was an economist article today.

01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:22.700
<v Ivan>Donald Trump's tariffs on Brazil are more barked than bite. The Latin American

01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:24.700
<v Ivan>giant may have avoided the worst for now.

01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:29.480
<v Ivan>And it said here that let me see where the detail are of it.

01:09:29.580 --> 01:09:33.760
<v Ivan>But it's saying here that there is there's the tariffs now in place against

01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.800
<v Ivan>Brazil, except nearly 700 products, including planes.

01:09:38.100 --> 01:09:41.960
<v Ivan>So the biggest worry first, Embraer. They export a lot of aircraft.

01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:43.340
<v Ivan>Guess what? They're exempted.

01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.640
<v Ivan>Oil also exempted. Wood pulp, orange juice, exports of coffee,

01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:49.140
<v Ivan>beef and fruit were not so lucky.

01:09:49.380 --> 01:09:56.240
<v Ivan>But but still, the exemptions were so big that in the end, it's not a 50 percent tariff.

01:09:56.940 --> 01:10:05.280
<v Sam>Right. So, yeah. And as we said from the very beginning, watching these exemptions

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:08.740
<v Sam>is probably more important than looking at the top level.

01:10:08.740 --> 01:10:13.060
<v Ivan>All you got to do is follow the fucking money trail to figure out who's getting exempt, basically.

01:10:13.320 --> 01:10:18.260
<v Ivan>I would like just a report of who the fuck, the company, and who's donating.

01:10:18.700 --> 01:10:22.280
<v Ivan>You're going to find, predict, who's getting a tariff exemption.

01:10:22.860 --> 01:10:27.280
<v Sam>Yeah. I would bet money that you are correct on that.

01:10:27.280 --> 01:10:32.040
<v Ivan>You know, in the Godfather movies, they had this part where guys from,

01:10:32.260 --> 01:10:37.720
<v Ivan>you know, I guess this is from from the telephone, you know,

01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.300
<v Ivan>I can't remember which telephone company they were portraying there.

01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:45.200
<v Ivan>I think it's probably ITT probably at the time show up in Cuba and they give

01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:47.140
<v Ivan>this golden telephone to the dictator.

01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:52.580
<v Ivan>OK. All right. In the thing. And it's just amazing how exactly it is working right now.

01:10:52.940 --> 01:10:54.960
<v Ivan>Just like that in the Trump White House.

01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:01.460
<v Sam>Right. One other Trump administration-related thing, although it's not as directly

01:11:01.460 --> 01:11:07.560
<v Sam>Donald Trump, is a long string of things RFK Jr.

01:11:07.820 --> 01:11:09.840
<v Sam>has been doing in the health area. Yeah.

01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:16.620
<v Sam>The most recent was canceling $500 million in research to mRNA vaccines.

01:11:18.020 --> 01:11:27.080
<v Sam>And look, I've seen so many posts on like Blue Sky and Mastodon and other places from, you know,

01:11:27.540 --> 01:11:33.500
<v Sam>health-related people, specialists in the field, talking about how incredibly

01:11:33.500 --> 01:11:37.200
<v Sam>stupid this is and shooting ourselves in the foot like everything else.

01:11:37.580 --> 01:11:41.780
<v Sam>And in this particular case, It's like now some people have said,

01:11:41.940 --> 01:11:45.260
<v Sam>you know, people are going to die because of this lack of research.

01:11:45.540 --> 01:11:49.700
<v Sam>But I feel like it's it's more complicated than that because other countries

01:11:49.700 --> 01:11:51.320
<v Sam>are going to do this research.

01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:51.620
<v Ivan>Right.

01:11:52.160 --> 01:11:55.300
<v Sam>You know, it will get done. It's just we're going to be behind.

01:11:56.020 --> 01:11:59.660
<v Ivan>We're going to be behind. Exactly. Other and here are going to be the ones that

01:11:59.660 --> 01:12:03.600
<v Ivan>are going to control this and that that we're going to need at some point.

01:12:03.740 --> 01:12:05.020
<v Ivan>And we're going to be behind. Yes.

01:12:05.200 --> 01:12:08.440
<v Sam>Well, and here's the thing, like of all.

01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:14.460
<v Sam>If you look at Donald Trump's first administration, the one thing that he did

01:12:14.460 --> 01:12:20.100
<v Sam>that was probably really good was the goddamn Operation Warp Speed on the COVID

01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:22.220
<v Sam>vaccine to really push it,

01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:27.800
<v Sam>push it hard, and use some of this mRNA technology that was really cutting edge

01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:32.280
<v Sam>and resulted in a vaccine that worked really, really well.

01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:36.520
<v Sam>Multiple vaccines using this technique across the world. But the thing is,

01:12:36.620 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Sam>the technique involved in that, which, by the way, it was not brand new for the COVID vaccine.

01:12:42.100 --> 01:12:47.600
<v Sam>They had been working on researching mRNA vaccines for a decade plus.

01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:52.520
<v Sam>And this was just the first one that was like, OK, we'll use it on this one

01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:54.680
<v Sam>right away and we'll fast track it and blah, blah, blah.

01:12:54.680 --> 01:13:02.660
<v Sam>But this stuff has shown extreme promise, like for an actual HIV-AIDS vaccine

01:13:02.660 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Sam>is in the final stages and was one of the things canceled.

01:13:07.140 --> 01:13:12.100
<v Sam>The tests on it were canceled on this. It's been showing promise for all sorts

01:13:12.100 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Sam>of cancer vaccines as well for certain types of cancer.

01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.720
<v Sam>there it's it's a really really

01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.380
<v Sam>promising technology that has all kinds of

01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:24.380
<v Sam>potential applications in different areas that's been

01:13:24.380 --> 01:13:27.120
<v Sam>showing that it's been working really well now a lot

01:13:27.120 --> 01:13:31.640
<v Sam>of this stuff is still in the research phase and that's what they're canceling

01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Sam>is like it's really super promising technology with the potential to save you

01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:41.800
<v Sam>know millions of lives potentially and it's like okay we're not going to do

01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Sam>that research anymore sorry you're on your own And again,

01:13:45.700 --> 01:13:52.360
<v Sam>I, I've, the research will get done, but the fact that it's not by us is,

01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.400
<v Sam>is just hurting ourselves for no reason.

01:13:55.820 --> 01:13:59.420
<v Ivan>I mean, we're, we're just, we're just idiots.

01:13:59.900 --> 01:14:04.060
<v Sam>And it probably will set things back. Like, you know, even if other people will

01:14:04.060 --> 01:14:08.300
<v Sam>pick up the slack, if we were the ones that were running ahead on this point,

01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:11.280
<v Sam>it's going to take a while for other folks to catch up. You know?

01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:18.480
<v Sam>And this is just one of many things that RFK Jr.

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:26.360
<v Sam>is doing to really decimate our health infrastructure in this country, and it's really sad.

01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:29.280
<v Sam>And Donald Trump was asked about this, by the way. He's like,

01:14:29.780 --> 01:14:35.460
<v Sam>you know, the mRNA vaccine was one of the major successes of your first administration,

01:14:35.460 --> 01:14:38.700
<v Sam>and now all this stuff is being canceled. What do you think about that?

01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:40.460
<v Sam>And he says, like, that was the past.

01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.100
<v Sam>We're moving on. was basically his answer.

01:14:43.700 --> 01:14:44.640
<v Ivan>He doesn't give a shit.

01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:52.600
<v Sam>Okay, shall we take a break? I'll come back with some non-Trump, non-politics thing.

01:14:53.180 --> 01:14:59.600
<v Sam>We'll be back right after. I was about to say, I don't think this will take

01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.340
<v Sam>very long, but every time I say that, it ends up taking so long.

01:15:02.540 --> 01:15:04.920
<v Sam>So we'll be back. We'll be back.

01:15:55.080 --> 01:16:01.040
<v Sam>Okay, here we are. Okay, so the topic I have in mind for the rest is just we

01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Sam>had more AI stuff this week.

01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Sam>And the big headline news was OpenAI released GPT-5, which is their latest version

01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:13.920
<v Sam>for chat GPT, has a number of improvements.

01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:20.220
<v Sam>They had hyped this as like major game-changing new thing.

01:16:20.440 --> 01:16:27.160
<v Sam>The initial reviews in the first couple days have been like, eh, maybe not so much.

01:16:27.280 --> 01:16:31.300
<v Sam>But then OpenAI also said the rollout hadn't gone smoothly and some things that

01:16:31.300 --> 01:16:33.660
<v Sam>were turned off that should have been turned on.

01:16:34.740 --> 01:16:40.940
<v Sam>Like apparently the thinking mode was not working for a significant portion

01:16:40.940 --> 01:16:43.120
<v Sam>of the first 24 hours this thing was out.

01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:48.060
<v Sam>But people have been posting their usual sort of AI fails of,

01:16:48.100 --> 01:16:53.140
<v Sam>like, AI doing really stupid things, like not being able to count the number

01:16:53.140 --> 01:16:57.500
<v Sam>of bees and blueberry, generating maps of the U.S.

01:16:57.500 --> 01:17:01.620
<v Sam>or lists of presidents that are completely wrong, things like that.

01:17:01.620 --> 01:17:06.100
<v Ivan>Well, the great thing is that, look, the list of presidents that you shared,

01:17:06.100 --> 01:17:11.880
<v Ivan>you know, showed that apparently our past presidents time traveled because they

01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:15.420
<v Ivan>served in backwards time order.

01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:19.700
<v Sam>Most of them did. Some of them served in frontwards time order,

01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:21.080
<v Sam>but for hundreds of years.

01:17:21.480 --> 01:17:22.600
<v Ivan>For hundreds of years, yes.

01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:28.080
<v Sam>Yes. Like, I believe FDR began his presidency sometime in the 1500s.

01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:34.560
<v Sam>You know. Now, he was president a long time, but not that long.

01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:36.380
<v Ivan>But not 400 years.

01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:39.840
<v Sam>And, of course, the name was wrong. They screwed up all the names.

01:17:40.320 --> 01:17:41.440
<v Ivan>Yeah, the names, the names.

01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:43.140
<v Sam>In really amusing ways.

01:17:44.400 --> 01:17:49.280
<v Ivan>You know, I don't know. They just released a new AI program.

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:53.020
<v Ivan>the model for us for internal use just

01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:56.200
<v Ivan>announced like yesterday as well i mean like i

01:17:56.200 --> 01:17:59.160
<v Ivan>like i've mentioned actually our engineers are using it more than

01:17:59.160 --> 01:18:01.960
<v Ivan>than me in order for solution you know

01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:07.380
<v Ivan>in order to put together solutions and stuff we had a couple of internal models

01:18:07.380 --> 01:18:12.800
<v Ivan>but i i i do think that well it was like this whole thing the other day the

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:17.240
<v Ivan>whole thing the other day that i shared about this girl that got thrown out

01:18:17.240 --> 01:18:20.160
<v Ivan>of a trivia competition, okay?

01:18:20.400 --> 01:18:26.800
<v Ivan>Where they were in the trivia competition and she got thrown out because they

01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:30.280
<v Ivan>found out that she was like searching for the fucking answers.

01:18:30.380 --> 01:18:30.780
<v Ivan>She was looking up the answers.

01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.120
<v Ivan>She was looking up the answers and she got all pissed off and started screaming,

01:18:35.380 --> 01:18:38.240
<v Ivan>this is bullshit. This is impossible.

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:42.060
<v Ivan>Nobody can know all these answers without fucking searching.

01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:51.300
<v Ivan>and i'm like sam look i've already i've heard i can't remember who the hell,

01:18:51.860 --> 01:18:56.340
<v Ivan>blurted this out to me the other day and i've seen this from and now i hear

01:18:56.340 --> 01:19:00.240
<v Ivan>it from so many other people so many people are just admitting to me right now

01:19:00.240 --> 01:19:07.440
<v Ivan>that they could not write an email without using chat gpt period they can't write an email well.

01:19:07.440 --> 01:19:11.500
<v Sam>Well look i will tell you like at my place of work,

01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:18.560
<v Sam>Everyone is being encouraged to actively use AI for like everything.

01:19:19.100 --> 01:19:21.880
<v Sam>Now, internal AI is not like these external.

01:19:21.980 --> 01:19:24.220
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's like, yeah, same thing as ours. Yeah.

01:19:24.860 --> 01:19:32.060
<v Sam>And it's like, you know, everything from writing an email to writing a report to coding to whatever.

01:19:32.480 --> 01:19:36.400
<v Sam>It's like explore what's out there, figure out how you can use it effectively.

01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:42.780
<v Sam>Now, it's still expected that, you know, you as the human are reviewing it and

01:19:42.780 --> 01:19:43.920
<v Sam>making sure it makes sense.

01:19:44.240 --> 01:19:48.240
<v Ivan>But this is my problem. Most of these people aren't reviewing anything that

01:19:48.240 --> 01:19:49.260
<v Ivan>this shit is generating.

01:19:49.460 --> 01:19:54.480
<v Ivan>OK, if the you know, so many of these people, the ones that I that I've heard

01:19:54.480 --> 01:19:57.360
<v Ivan>from more not inside the company, but from other places.

01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.600
<v Ivan>The main thing that the main thing that I see is that these people are using

01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.980
<v Ivan>it and they don't they don't have no clue about what they said.

01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:07.400
<v Ivan>They don't understand the subject matter.

01:20:07.700 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Sam>I joked about this when this first started happening a couple of years ago,

01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:18.280
<v Sam>that we are now in a situation where somebody is given the assignment to send

01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:23.280
<v Sam>out a summary email or an email talking about whatever's going on, right?

01:20:23.580 --> 01:20:30.800
<v Sam>And so they give the AI like three or four bullets and say, write me a status

01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:35.420
<v Sam>report based on these three or four bullets. and the AI expands that out to

01:20:35.420 --> 01:20:37.400
<v Sam>like a one-page document or something.

01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:42.340
<v Sam>And then they send it out. And if anybody reads it at all, which may not even

01:20:42.340 --> 01:20:44.320
<v Sam>happen, but if anybody looks at it at all.

01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:49.420
<v Ivan>They probably ask for it to summarize the EA back to them so they're not even

01:20:49.420 --> 01:20:52.480
<v Ivan>reading the fucking thing. So what the hell's the point of a stupid thing anyway?

01:20:52.480 --> 01:20:56.460
<v Sam>They have the AI summarize it back to three or four bullets and you could have

01:20:56.460 --> 01:20:57.860
<v Sam>just sent the three or four bullets.

01:20:57.860 --> 01:20:58.340
<v Ivan>Four bullets!

01:20:58.540 --> 01:20:59.020
<v Sam>To start word.

01:20:59.300 --> 01:21:04.760
<v Ivan>That's the one thing. I don't understand why you're making, using the ai just to make tons of filler.

01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.480
<v Sam>I i mean the the on a lot of

01:21:07.480 --> 01:21:10.320
<v Sam>these things it's like if if if

01:21:10.320 --> 01:21:14.060
<v Sam>it really matters that little then why

01:21:14.060 --> 01:21:20.100
<v Sam>are you wasting the time on it anyway i don't know at the same time like i i

01:21:20.100 --> 01:21:27.780
<v Sam>will fully admit both at work and at home the ai is saving me all kinds of time

01:21:27.780 --> 01:21:33.420
<v Sam>the ai is letting me do things that i would not have done And I get it.

01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:41.420
<v Ivan>But I'm not talking about that. What I'm talking about is people not being able

01:21:41.420 --> 01:21:50.460
<v Ivan>to answer simple questions anymore or do simple things because they can't.

01:21:51.240 --> 01:21:53.680
<v Ivan>They can't think anymore.

01:21:54.340 --> 01:21:58.840
<v Sam>And there was a study that came out like a few weeks ago as well,

01:21:59.080 --> 01:22:07.760
<v Sam>talking about they had one group of people write like your old traditional like

01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:12.140
<v Sam>five paragraph essays themselves about some topics that they had to research.

01:22:12.380 --> 01:22:17.580
<v Sam>And then they had another group who were encouraged to use AI to write the paragraphs.

01:22:17.580 --> 01:22:25.100
<v Sam>And then they tested both groups on something theoretically unrelated,

01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:29.760
<v Sam>but that still exercised your brain in some way.

01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:37.160
<v Sam>And they found that the people who'd used the AI did worse on the other tests afterwards.

01:22:37.540 --> 01:22:38.260
<v Ivan>Yeah, no kidding.

01:22:39.580 --> 01:22:43.140
<v Sam>Simply, I guess the theory is simply

01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:46.820
<v Sam>because they weren't exercising their brains for the other activity.

01:22:46.820 --> 01:22:53.920
<v Sam>so they got lazy or whatever i don't know you know but but at the same like

01:22:53.920 --> 01:23:00.380
<v Sam>i said i have to admit like i am i am getting things done that i wouldn't even

01:23:00.380 --> 01:23:04.220
<v Sam>have attempted without ai assistance here but.

01:23:04.220 --> 01:23:08.940
<v Ivan>But you know what and and i guess you know maybe the one thing that i'm seeing

01:23:08.940 --> 01:23:15.940
<v Ivan>and it's something that even other tools have shown in the past we've had google searches or whatever.

01:23:15.940 --> 01:23:16.680
<v Sam>Is that.

01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.780
<v Ivan>It really depends on.

01:23:18.780 --> 01:23:20.240
<v Sam>How you use it.

01:23:20.240 --> 01:23:27.080
<v Ivan>Yeah you know because there's just so many people that just they they they will

01:23:27.080 --> 01:23:31.440
<v Ivan>be they don't care about understanding what the hell is behind it and they will

01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:33.420
<v Ivan>just go and like just you know whatever.

01:23:33.420 --> 01:23:38.160
<v Sam>Well the thing is the people are right who say like if you are in a situation

01:23:38.160 --> 01:23:44.700
<v Sam>where you can just copy and paste the output of the ai and it is perfectly acceptable

01:23:44.700 --> 01:23:50.080
<v Sam>and the people who receive that are fine with it and don't,

01:23:50.180 --> 01:23:53.320
<v Sam>and any problems it has are just like, oh, okay, that's fine.

01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:55.280
<v Sam>Then you really are redundant.

01:23:55.900 --> 01:24:01.860
<v Sam>You know, the AI could just do that without you. Like if you are adding value

01:24:01.860 --> 01:24:07.020
<v Sam>because you are, you are using the AI as a tool to go back and forth and refine

01:24:07.020 --> 01:24:08.540
<v Sam>something and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:11.680
<v Sam>And you're actually putting a decent amount of yourself into it. Okay.

01:24:11.780 --> 01:24:17.260
<v Sam>Then maybe you can make the argument that you plus AI is better than you alone.

01:24:17.460 --> 01:24:23.620
<v Sam>But if all you are doing, if all you are doing is, oh, copy and paste the output,

01:24:23.820 --> 01:24:26.600
<v Sam>move it over here, done, then you are useless.

01:24:28.150 --> 01:24:33.330
<v Sam>And maybe you served some function in the past, but the argument that says your

01:24:33.330 --> 01:24:38.670
<v Sam>job is not actually needed anymore becomes very, very strong at that point.

01:24:39.130 --> 01:24:47.810
<v Ivan>I think that it's just really, you know, it's the application.

01:24:48.050 --> 01:24:53.090
<v Ivan>I, you know, for example, I'm working on something, applying AI,

01:24:53.690 --> 01:25:00.210
<v Ivan>in which what the net result should be. is that I've got a call center that's overwhelmed.

01:25:01.490 --> 01:25:04.850
<v Ivan>There's just too many fucking calls coming into this call center.

01:25:06.230 --> 01:25:13.250
<v Ivan>And this AI will offload a significant burden of some of the calls that are coming in.

01:25:13.890 --> 01:25:17.630
<v Sam>Basically handle all the simple ones and the more complicated ones.

01:25:17.910 --> 01:25:21.710
<v Ivan>Exactly. Right. That's basically what you're trying to do.

01:25:22.010 --> 01:25:23.090
<v Sam>And if we do that.

01:25:23.210 --> 01:25:23.330
<v Ivan>Right.

01:25:23.430 --> 01:25:27.170
<v Sam>We've had, by the way, we've had systems to do that for call centers for decades now.

01:25:27.570 --> 01:25:32.750
<v Ivan>It's just it's getting better. Exactly. You know, so this is to make it even

01:25:32.750 --> 01:25:39.290
<v Ivan>better, okay, in that way, that it can do more than what a simple menu prompt

01:25:39.290 --> 01:25:41.710
<v Ivan>system with automated stuff can do.

01:25:41.850 --> 01:25:43.150
<v Sam>Which people hate, by the way.

01:25:43.210 --> 01:25:43.930
<v Ivan>Which people hate.

01:25:44.170 --> 01:25:45.950
<v Sam>They're always like, how do I get to a huge...

01:25:45.950 --> 01:25:49.470
<v Ivan>I'm like, agent, agent, fuck you, agent. What the hell?

01:25:49.470 --> 01:25:49.730
<v Sam>Exactly.

01:25:49.990 --> 01:25:53.550
<v Ivan>I don't want to fucking... Listen, I don't want you to repeat my balance.

01:25:53.710 --> 01:25:55.990
<v Ivan>I don't give a shit. Give me the damn agent. Agent.

01:25:56.970 --> 01:26:02.090
<v Sam>I was on a customer service call as recently as a few days ago where I was like,

01:26:02.170 --> 01:26:06.390
<v Sam>yeah, zero, zero, zero, agent, agent, agent, whatever.

01:26:09.030 --> 01:26:09.550
<v Sam>Exactly.

01:26:09.990 --> 01:26:16.490
<v Ivan>And then for some reason, the voice recognition on there keeps being distracted

01:26:16.490 --> 01:26:19.350
<v Ivan>by noises, strenuous noises in the room.

01:26:20.090 --> 01:26:26.190
<v Ivan>So I keep saying, you know, I keep having to wind up muting the line and pressing

01:26:26.190 --> 01:26:29.490
<v Ivan>zero, because if I'm sitting there, it says, I'll just hold on the line.

01:26:29.670 --> 01:26:32.410
<v Ivan>It will. Did you say something? No, I didn't.

01:26:33.110 --> 01:26:38.730
<v Sam>Right. Anyway, just getting back to this for a second, and I will I am going

01:26:38.730 --> 01:26:42.910
<v Sam>to give the examples of the presidents in the states a little bit more just to close it out.

01:26:42.910 --> 01:26:49.230
<v Sam>But before doing that, you know, I feel like the bottom, people are making some

01:26:49.230 --> 01:26:53.490
<v Sam>fun of GPT-5 for not quite living up to the hype.

01:26:53.690 --> 01:26:59.470
<v Sam>But I think once it settles down a little bit, people will find that it is yet

01:26:59.470 --> 01:27:06.050
<v Sam>another significant improvement over where we were before and that we have not like leveled out yet.

01:27:06.050 --> 01:27:09.890
<v Sam>One of the big things they said, by the way, is OpenAI,

01:27:10.270 --> 01:27:14.590
<v Sam>ChatGPT used to have like a whole bunch of different models that you could select

01:27:14.590 --> 01:27:20.910
<v Sam>from that said like, you know, oh, are you going to use the 4.0 model or the

01:27:20.910 --> 01:27:23.850
<v Sam>0.3 model or the 0.3 mini or whatever?

01:27:24.250 --> 01:27:28.270
<v Sam>And to really make the best use of it, you really had to understand the differences

01:27:28.270 --> 01:27:32.710
<v Sam>between all of those and pick the one that was most appropriate for what you were trying to do.

01:27:32.710 --> 01:27:38.530
<v Sam>One of the big things they've tried to do with five, apparently with mixed success,

01:27:38.970 --> 01:27:46.530
<v Sam>is try to have a layer that takes your prompt and figures out which underlying

01:27:46.530 --> 01:27:49.290
<v Sam>model to use. Like they've...

01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:53.620
<v Sam>Tried to market it as, okay, now there's only one model.

01:27:53.980 --> 01:27:58.200
<v Sam>But from the experts I've seen looking at it so far, there really clearly are

01:27:58.200 --> 01:27:59.800
<v Sam>multiple underlying models.

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:03.820
<v Sam>They've just added a layer that tries to figure out which is the right one for

01:28:03.820 --> 01:28:06.440
<v Sam>you and routes you the right place based on what you've set.

01:28:07.020 --> 01:28:11.400
<v Sam>But people found out fairly quickly, like, you know, for instance,

01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:16.400
<v Sam>if you wanted it to do a deep analysis, you had to specifically tell it in the

01:28:16.400 --> 01:28:18.360
<v Sam>prompt something along the lines of,

01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:23.820
<v Sam>now, please think about this carefully, you know, and then it would take more time.

01:28:24.140 --> 01:28:29.140
<v Sam>Whereas if you left out those words, it would be much more sloppy about whatever

01:28:29.140 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Sam>it gave you, but a lot faster.

01:28:31.380 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Sam>Apparently, OpenAI is backing up and saying, okay, for our paid users,

01:28:37.020 --> 01:28:40.280
<v Sam>we will give you back the way to manually select which one.

01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.680
<v Sam>Another thing, you know, so I think they've got some growing pains,

01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.220
<v Sam>but this probably is significantly better.

01:28:47.380 --> 01:28:52.120
<v Sam>Apparently on standardized benchmarks or whatever, it is better. We shall see.

01:28:52.340 --> 01:28:55.960
<v Sam>This is still a race and they still haven't plateaued yet.

01:28:56.280 --> 01:29:02.260
<v Sam>But apparently a lot of people got upset because they felt like...

01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:08.220
<v Sam>The other thing OpenAI did is they shut off version 4 and moved everyone to 5.

01:29:08.980 --> 01:29:15.100
<v Sam>But a lot of people started complaining that its personality was different because

01:29:15.100 --> 01:29:19.300
<v Sam>they had specifically done things like make it not flatter you as much,

01:29:19.500 --> 01:29:23.600
<v Sam>make it not agree with you all the time, make it not whatever.

01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:29.340
<v Sam>And they also added some protections in, by the way, where they were finding

01:29:29.340 --> 01:29:35.220
<v Sam>in version 4.0 that people were getting dependent on the AI and where people

01:29:35.220 --> 01:29:37.420
<v Sam>were spiraling into like various,

01:29:37.860 --> 01:29:42.740
<v Sam>like, I'm going to say conspiracy theory, but it wasn't exactly conspiracy theories,

01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:46.440
<v Sam>but they were spiraling into like, there was one case where there were a couple

01:29:46.440 --> 01:29:49.240
<v Sam>of cases, actually, there are a bunch of cases where people started.

01:29:50.320 --> 01:29:54.880
<v Sam>Thinking that they were super grandiose important because of the way this thing

01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:59.480
<v Sam>was flattering them and telling them how important their idea was and how really

01:29:59.480 --> 01:30:02.760
<v Sam>like they were going to revolutionize the world or whatever.

01:30:02.980 --> 01:30:07.540
<v Sam>So in chat GPT-5, they've scaled back on all of these things intentionally,

01:30:07.540 --> 01:30:14.080
<v Sam>But then people who'd built up these relationships with ChatGPT4 were like,

01:30:14.240 --> 01:30:17.940
<v Sam>you know, you've completely changed its personality.

01:30:17.940 --> 01:30:22.120
<v Sam>My relationship, like, is gone. Like, what have you done?

01:30:22.480 --> 01:30:26.840
<v Sam>You've killed my friend kind of things. So apparently they're also going to

01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.660
<v Sam>let people in the paid tier go back to version four if they want to.

01:30:30.820 --> 01:30:35.860
<v Sam>So they can continue their unhealthy relationship with ChatGPT4.

01:30:36.700 --> 01:30:41.500
<v Sam>So anyway, this stuff is still moving forward.

01:30:41.780 --> 01:30:45.320
<v Sam>It's still like, if you compare now to six months ago, to six months before

01:30:45.320 --> 01:30:51.060
<v Sam>that, to six months before that, we're still, these systems are getting more

01:30:51.060 --> 01:30:53.960
<v Sam>and more capable every time. We have not flattened out yet.

01:30:54.340 --> 01:30:58.720
<v Sam>So we'll see where it goes. But in the meantime, they're still messing up the president.

01:30:58.940 --> 01:31:03.220
<v Sam>So let me read you some of this. The prompt people asked was,

01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:05.400
<v Sam>show me a diagram of the U.S.

01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:11.220
<v Sam>president since Herbert Hoover with their names and years in office under their photos. Okay.

01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:16.300
<v Sam>So we start out with Herbert Hoover. And by the way, it's got pictures of all

01:31:16.300 --> 01:31:22.720
<v Sam>these people who are clearly, you see, maybe some resemblance to the real person.

01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:29.480
<v Sam>It's like a caricature that's a bad caricature of sort of that person mixed

01:31:29.480 --> 01:31:33.860
<v Sam>with other people. Like, the Bill Clinton person looks like a mix of Bill Clinton

01:31:33.860 --> 01:31:36.300
<v Sam>and Ross Perot, you know, for instance.

01:31:36.940 --> 01:31:41.960
<v Sam>You know, Ronald Reagan looks like the spitting image puppet of Ronald Reagan.

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:44.120
<v Ivan>Remember spitting image, the little puppet shows?

01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:52.360
<v Sam>Anyway, but Herbert Hoover was apparently president from 1929 to 1539. Okay?

01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:56.880
<v Sam>Then the names start getting messed up. We have Franklin D.

01:31:58.480 --> 01:31:59.240
<v Sam>Rosanet.

01:32:00.740 --> 01:32:01.820
<v Ivan>Rosanet, yeah.

01:32:02.200 --> 01:32:06.640
<v Sam>Yeah, he was president from 1539 to 1946.

01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.460
<v Ivan>It's a nice long presidency.

01:32:12.140 --> 01:32:19.860
<v Sam>Harry S. Truman, they got his name right, but he was president from 1848 to 1523.

01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:25.580
<v Sam>Dwight D. E. Fishworth. Yveshwar. Yveshwar.

01:32:26.220 --> 01:32:31.960
<v Ivan>Yveshwar. Yes, Yveshwar. And he was president from 1983 to 1991.

01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:36.260
<v Ivan>I didn't realize we had Yveshwar as our president. Look at that.

01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.960
<v Sam>Yes. And all of these years are messed up, so I'm not going to give those anymore.

01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.560
<v Sam>But just a few more of the names. John F. Catwady.

01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.740
<v Sam>Lynn Dunn B. Johnson.

01:32:49.860 --> 01:32:54.040
<v Sam>Richard Ninnon. Gerald Yard,

01:32:55.360 --> 01:32:57.000
<v Sam>They got Jimmy Carter right They

01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:05.620
<v Sam>got Jimmy Carter right, thank God Ronald Bagan Bagan George V. W. Bixar,

01:33:08.140 --> 01:33:10.360
<v Sam>Bill Churton Bill Churton.

01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:11.680
<v Ivan>Yes G.

01:33:11.900 --> 01:33:13.160
<v Sam>R. W. Bush,

01:33:14.820 --> 01:33:18.340
<v Sam>Um, Abrak Ufawani.

01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.740
<v Ivan>Sounds like the way that I would expect, like, Donald Trump to pronounce it or something.

01:33:25.040 --> 01:33:26.200
<v Sam>Donald Trome.

01:33:27.340 --> 01:33:35.560
<v Ivan>And the picture, the fucking picture of Trump is just, oh my God.

01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:39.500
<v Sam>And then we have Joe Biden. They got his name right, but he looks like,

01:33:39.500 --> 01:33:41.780
<v Sam>um, Orrin Hatch or somebody.

01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.120
<v Ivan>Something. And what year did he start? as president?

01:33:45.440 --> 01:33:49.720
<v Sam>The year, it says two zero and then they're not even numbers.

01:33:50.160 --> 01:33:54.440
<v Sam>Yeah. It looks like it might be 2066 with some lines through it.

01:33:54.440 --> 01:34:01.500
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. Donald Trump, it says he's president from 2017 to 2,431.

01:34:02.540 --> 01:34:03.980
<v Sam>I hope it's wrong.

01:34:04.160 --> 01:34:06.740
<v Ivan>This better be fucking wrong. That's all I'm saying.

01:34:09.280 --> 01:34:12.380
<v Sam>And similarly, where'd it go?

01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:17.820
<v Sam>I won't do all 50, But there's somebody who also asked it to generate a map

01:34:17.820 --> 01:34:20.120
<v Sam>of the USA with each state named.

01:34:20.420 --> 01:34:23.140
<v Sam>It got Washington and Oregon right.

01:34:23.980 --> 01:34:26.500
<v Sam>California is California.

01:34:28.120 --> 01:34:36.860
<v Sam>We've got Montana, Teneho, Nevada, Mezmico for New Mexico.

01:34:37.140 --> 01:34:37.980
<v Ivan>Mezmico.

01:34:38.380 --> 01:34:46.360
<v Sam>Mezmico. We got Dakota and Sonota for North and South Dakota.

01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:50.620
<v Sam>Okay, I'm trying to read Minnesota.

01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:59.360
<v Sam>Mahim and then some things that aren't ladders. Yes. Wisconsin is Wiscubsgia.

01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:00.200
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:35:01.570 --> 01:35:04.170
<v Ivan>Miss Fronnie?

01:35:04.370 --> 01:35:07.350
<v Sam>Yes. We got Lundus for Illinois.

01:35:08.250 --> 01:35:10.490
<v Ivan>Ohio. Oco. Oco.

01:35:11.850 --> 01:35:15.550
<v Sam>West Virginia is apparently Russian or something.

01:35:19.010 --> 01:35:22.630
<v Ivan>Georgia is the CEO of COLA.

01:35:24.590 --> 01:35:29.390
<v Sam>Yeah. And Pennsylvania, female pohamp.

01:35:29.790 --> 01:35:30.310
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:35:30.810 --> 01:35:34.290
<v Sam>Anyway. That's enough. You could look these up.

01:35:34.870 --> 01:35:40.250
<v Sam>So, you know, so AI has all the typical AI problems. They haven't solved them all yet.

01:35:41.270 --> 01:35:45.750
<v Sam>Apparently, some of these may have been gotten by not remembering to tell the

01:35:45.750 --> 01:35:47.430
<v Sam>AI to think carefully about it.

01:35:47.570 --> 01:35:49.810
<v Sam>It might have done better if you told it to think carefully.

01:35:50.010 --> 01:35:52.650
<v Sam>So you got to remember. Think carefully.

01:35:54.650 --> 01:35:56.850
<v Sam>Anyway, that's it. Shall we wrap it up, Yvonne?

01:35:57.090 --> 01:35:58.050
<v Ivan>Yeah, let's wrap it up.

01:35:58.750 --> 01:36:05.590
<v Sam>Ah, okay. Go to curmudgeons-corner.com. You can find all the ways to contact us.

01:36:05.710 --> 01:36:08.390
<v Sam>You can find our archives. You can find transcripts of shows.

01:36:09.390 --> 01:36:15.130
<v Sam>Importantly, you can find a link to, oh yeah, all the ways to contact us,

01:36:15.230 --> 01:36:17.170
<v Sam>except I have not linked to the TikTok yet.

01:36:17.570 --> 01:36:19.310
<v Sam>I still have not linked to the TikTok.

01:36:19.910 --> 01:36:24.770
<v Sam>I still have, I opened a Blue Sky account for Curmudgeon's Corner,

01:36:25.010 --> 01:36:27.630
<v Sam>but I haven't done anything with it yet. It's not populated.

01:36:27.630 --> 01:36:30.450
<v Sam>It's not doing anything. I'll finish that someday.

01:36:32.310 --> 01:36:35.870
<v Sam>Anyway, and of course, you can go to our Patreon as well to give us money.

01:36:36.490 --> 01:36:40.650
<v Sam>At various levels, we will mention you on the show. We will ring a bell.

01:36:40.750 --> 01:36:42.890
<v Sam>We will send a postcard. Have you sent the postcards yet, Yvonne?

01:36:43.170 --> 01:36:43.950
<v Ivan>No, I have not.

01:36:45.410 --> 01:36:49.270
<v Sam>I would yell at you, but I like had the postcards on my to-do list for something

01:36:49.270 --> 01:36:51.070
<v Sam>like four months before I sent them.

01:36:51.230 --> 01:36:52.250
<v Ivan>Exactly. So give me a fucking break.

01:36:52.250 --> 01:36:55.070
<v Sam>You know, I told you at the beginning of the show how my to-do list works.

01:36:56.060 --> 01:37:00.960
<v Sam>One of the things on that list was send those postcards. So.

01:37:01.120 --> 01:37:01.760
<v Ivan>Explains a lot.

01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:09.960
<v Sam>Anyway, postcards, mugs, whatever, at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask,

01:37:10.060 --> 01:37:13.280
<v Sam>we will invite you to a curmudgeon's corner of Slack, where Yvonne and I and

01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:16.840
<v Sam>others have been chat every week, throughout the week.

01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.320
<v Sam>We share news stories. We talk about whatever.

01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:27.120
<v Sam>Yvonne and Peter and a bunch of other folks were talking about investments. earlier today.

01:37:27.980 --> 01:37:31.300
<v Sam>I did not partake in that particular conversation. I looked at it,

01:37:31.400 --> 01:37:34.440
<v Sam>but I did not contribute. I was busy at work and I didn't care.

01:37:35.220 --> 01:37:39.340
<v Sam>But sometimes there are things that are of interest to me.

01:37:39.620 --> 01:37:45.100
<v Sam>It is a variety of conversation and there's interesting news stories every day.

01:37:45.620 --> 01:37:49.540
<v Sam>So Yvonne, what is the highlight this week from the Curmudgeons Corner Slack

01:37:49.540 --> 01:37:52.640
<v Sam>that we have not mentioned on the show? I got two for you.

01:37:52.700 --> 01:37:57.920
<v Ivan>I got two for you. First one, will wheaton is now older than patrick stewart

01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:02.780
<v Ivan>was when star trek the next generation piloted you're welcome this is.

01:38:02.780 --> 01:38:05.260
<v Sam>Another thing that's clearly a lie it's.

01:38:05.260 --> 01:38:15.280
<v Ivan>Not uh and uh the second one is dial-up internet to be discontinued aol routinely

01:38:15.280 --> 01:38:19.940
<v Ivan>evaluates its product services and has decided to discontinue dial-up internet

01:38:19.940 --> 01:38:22.860
<v Ivan>the service will no longer be available in AOL plans.

01:38:23.120 --> 01:38:27.300
<v Ivan>As a result, on September 30th, 2025, this service and the associated software,

01:38:27.400 --> 01:38:32.980
<v Ivan>the AOL Dialer software, and AOL Shield browser, which are optimized for older

01:38:32.980 --> 01:38:36.660
<v Ivan>operating systems and dial-up internet connections, will be discontinued.

01:38:37.300 --> 01:38:40.640
<v Ivan>This change will not affect any other benefits in your AOL plan,

01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:44.560
<v Ivan>which you can access at any time on your AOL plan dashboard.

01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:48.420
<v Ivan>To manage or cancel your account, visit my account. For more information,

01:38:48.420 --> 01:38:50.440
<v Ivan>if you have any questions about your account, please call.

01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.540
<v Sam>It's amazing AOL even exists still.

01:38:54.220 --> 01:38:58.880
<v Ivan>I'm like, how the hell? I mean, who can dial up?

01:38:59.380 --> 01:39:05.400
<v Ivan>How do you dial? I mean, how? I mean, what can you do doing dial up right now in the modern internet?

01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:08.660
<v Sam>Not much.

01:39:08.780 --> 01:39:11.340
<v Ivan>Who has a modem? Who the hell has a modem?

01:39:11.540 --> 01:39:13.740
<v Sam>I'm sure there's still some people out there.

01:39:14.220 --> 01:39:19.960
<v Ivan>Well, I shared on the Slack also a picture of what I thought was the coolest

01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:27.320
<v Ivan>design of any modem from the 80s and 90s, which is the Hayes smart modem. I really like the,

01:39:29.480 --> 01:39:30.360
<v Ivan>metal case of it.

01:39:30.360 --> 01:39:31.820
<v Sam>It's got the blinking lights on the front.

01:39:31.940 --> 01:39:33.920
<v Ivan>It's got the row of blinking lights on the front.

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.200
<v Sam>And they still made the noise when you dialed up.

01:39:36.200 --> 01:39:37.260
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, yes.

01:39:37.340 --> 01:39:38.160
<v Sam>It's important.

01:39:38.380 --> 01:39:45.120
<v Ivan>This one is a picture of a Hayes smart modem 1200. I mean, I know that the last one I had was 5600.

01:39:46.140 --> 01:39:48.560
<v Ivan>kbps but you know this is i.

01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:49.680
<v Sam>Think i might have even had a.

01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:56.320
<v Ivan>128 at some point yeah i had a probably i did not what's my my my slowest was

01:39:56.320 --> 01:39:58.860
<v Ivan>300 that that was my lowest i.

01:39:58.860 --> 01:40:03.140
<v Sam>Think i think my first was actually a 1200 i don't think i ever had a 300.

01:40:03.140 --> 01:40:09.640
<v Ivan>I had a couple i had a 300 that was slow let me tell you about slow you could

01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:15.720
<v Ivan>see the letters just it was like a teletype with the letters i remember The 300 baud modem. Yeah.

01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:18.980
<v Ivan>This is not blazing fast by any stretch.

01:40:19.340 --> 01:40:29.380
<v Sam>We should get some of those modems, Yvonne, and record the next show on a 1200 baud modem.

01:40:29.460 --> 01:40:31.880
<v Ivan>I don't think that will work. I have a strange feeling.

01:40:32.480 --> 01:40:34.720
<v Sam>Oh. Oh. Well, you know.

01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:36.640
<v Ivan>According to the file size that

01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:43.660
<v Ivan>I am like right now, we have used 3,898 megabytes on my end and counting.

01:40:45.240 --> 01:40:59.340
<v Ivan>Let me see. I'll ask ChatGPT, hey, how long would it take to transmit 3,907 megabytes at 1,200 BPS?

01:41:00.060 --> 01:41:02.780
<v Ivan>All right. Let's see. Let's see if you can give me an answer.

01:41:02.780 --> 01:41:04.960
<v Ivan>I know it's terrible at math, but here we go.

01:41:05.580 --> 01:41:11.760
<v Sam>Yes. Well, this is the kind of application where a simple calculator is actually better. Go ahead.

01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:16.380
<v Ivan>Well, but I don't have the, you know, I'm not sure how to do that, that mathematical.

01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:22.220
<v Ivan>I got to add a lot of zeros. It did give me a quiddick answer. 301 days.

01:41:23.160 --> 01:41:24.800
<v Sam>I don't see why that would be a problem.

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:31.800
<v Ivan>There you go. It'll only take 300 days for me to upload the file. It's fine.

01:41:32.280 --> 01:41:39.820
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. And of course, like actually having the conversation at that speed as well.

01:41:41.390 --> 01:41:43.070
<v Sam>Yeah, we'd have to do that.

01:41:43.070 --> 01:41:46.530
<v Ivan>So we'd spend like the next 300 days working on our next episode.

01:41:47.030 --> 01:41:52.290
<v Sam>We could go back and forth by typing at the 1200 bond.

01:41:52.570 --> 01:41:53.090
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:41:54.050 --> 01:41:56.830
<v Sam>And then feed that into text-to-speech or something.

01:41:57.130 --> 01:41:58.370
<v Ivan>Yes, there you go.

01:41:58.630 --> 01:42:02.750
<v Sam>But it would have to be 1980s text-to-speech.

01:42:03.070 --> 01:42:09.670
<v Ivan>Oh, Jesus Christ. Sound like a rope. Yes, the entire robotic voice. Yes, there you go.

01:42:09.750 --> 01:42:13.930
<v Sam>Yeah, okay. Anyway, so AOL does apparently still exist.

01:42:14.450 --> 01:42:16.910
<v Ivan>It still exists somehow. I don't know. Who owns AOL?

01:42:16.910 --> 01:42:21.250
<v Sam>I have gotten email from an AOL address within the last year.

01:42:21.410 --> 01:42:24.110
<v Sam>Our friend Chad still has an AOL address.

01:42:24.330 --> 01:42:25.350
<v Ivan>Ah, yes.

01:42:25.670 --> 01:42:27.430
<v Sam>He let us know he was getting married.

01:42:28.210 --> 01:42:29.070
<v Ivan>Oh, that's right.

01:42:29.070 --> 01:42:33.210
<v Sam>We watched the wedding online. Not via AOL, I don't think.

01:42:33.570 --> 01:42:33.970
<v Ivan>No, we don't.

01:42:34.210 --> 01:42:36.030
<v Sam>So who are they on by now?

01:42:36.370 --> 01:42:37.870
<v Ivan>Yeah, I got to look this up.

01:42:37.990 --> 01:42:39.330
<v Sam>Verizon? Oh, Verizon.

01:42:39.330 --> 01:42:42.670
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, it was Verizon a while back that bought them, yeah.

01:42:42.950 --> 01:42:49.290
<v Sam>Wait, that was through 2001. No, no, it's now Verizon sold 90% of the Verizon

01:42:49.290 --> 01:42:54.650
<v Sam>media division, which apparently included AOL, to Apollo Global Management.

01:42:55.330 --> 01:42:56.810
<v Ivan>Oh, the hedge fund? Okay.

01:42:57.650 --> 01:43:02.830
<v Sam>And which also bundled with that was not just AOL, but also Yahoo.

01:43:02.910 --> 01:43:06.470
<v Ivan>Yahoo, right. It was Yahoo, yeah, because I know they own Yahoo too on that, yeah.

01:43:07.210 --> 01:43:10.190
<v Sam>Ah, anyway. Okay. That is it.

01:43:10.470 --> 01:43:18.710
<v Sam>Thank you, everybody, for joining us. Have a wonderful, wonderful week and do amazing things.

01:43:18.970 --> 01:43:27.790
<v Sam>And make sure to, whenever you're thinking about texting your spouse or significant other,

01:43:29.470 --> 01:43:36.370
<v Sam>Just say what comes to mind. Ask chat GPT 50 first what you should say.

01:43:36.690 --> 01:43:38.970
<v Ivan>Yes, I've seen that trend.

01:43:39.890 --> 01:43:44.490
<v Sam>You know, God, I've seen people recently talk about how, like,

01:43:44.790 --> 01:43:51.210
<v Sam>they're asking chat GPT, like, hey, I'm going to be late to this thing that

01:43:51.210 --> 01:43:54.970
<v Sam>I was supposed to do with my wife because I was doing this other thing instead.

01:43:54.970 --> 01:43:59.910
<v Sam>Dad, give me an appropriate excuse to text her that won't make her mad.

01:44:00.410 --> 01:44:03.050
<v Sam>And then doing whatever it says.

01:44:03.730 --> 01:44:04.510
<v Ivan>Yeah, great idea.

01:44:07.270 --> 01:44:07.870
<v Sam>Okay.

01:44:08.110 --> 01:44:09.230
<v Ivan>How could that miss?

01:44:09.810 --> 01:44:12.510
<v Sam>I don't know. It seems perfect to me.

01:44:12.950 --> 01:44:13.050
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:44:13.170 --> 01:44:14.790
<v Sam>Okay. Goodbye, everyone.

01:44:15.210 --> 01:44:15.810
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:44:44.330 --> 01:44:45.350
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

01:44:46.950 --> 01:44:51.430
<v Sam>Okay. Good night, Yvonne. Go to bed. And I'm going to have dinner.

01:44:52.070 --> 01:44:54.070
<v Ivan>Oh. Oh, good.

01:44:54.250 --> 01:44:54.470
<v Sam>Okay.

01:44:54.550 --> 01:44:54.810
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:44:54.970 --> 01:44:55.670
<v Sam>Hitting stop.

01:44:56.030 --> 01:44:56.650
<v Ivan>Stop.

