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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Countdown. It's tough. It's hard.

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<v Ivan>Final countdown. Do-do-do-do-do.

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<v Sam>Do-do-do-do-do.

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<v Ivan>And then that song will be stuck now in your head for the next few weeks.

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<v Sam>Well, that's important. You need to have songs stuck in my head as much as possible, right?

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Otherwise, the brains would just leak out all over the place.

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<v Ivan>It does not have brains leaking out all over. No?

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no. I don't think it's a good idea to have the brains leaking all over the place.

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<v Sam>Ah, I guess. Shall we go?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Here comes the thing thing.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, July 26th, 2025.

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<v Sam>It's 2.30 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Menter, Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Hello.

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<v Ivan>Hi. Are we doing okay? Everything good?

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<v Sam>It's getting better. It's doing okay. Yeah, it's been a week.

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<v Sam>It's been a week for me. It's been a week.

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<v Ivan>You had stuff.

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<v Sam>I had stuff.

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<v Ivan>And I have not heard updates on the stuff.

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<v Sam>You have not?

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>Okay, well, I guess instead of doing media this week, I will do updates on my stuff.

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<v Ivan>You shared your frustration. You shared your, I think it rose to a level of anger.

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<v Ivan>You also did not appreciate me not agreeing completely with your assessment of the situation.

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<v Sam>So for those folks not on the Slack, I should explain what the hell you're talking about.

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<v Ivan>Yes, you should. Yes.

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<v Sam>Well, there were two major events in my life this week that I will discuss.

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<v Sam>And I will do this instead of media this week.

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<v Ivan>I know the media is going to fall behind.

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<v Sam>The media is going to, you know, if we had done media, I'll give you the preview

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<v Sam>for next week. There would have been two movies.

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<v Sam>The African Queen from 1951 and Jurassic Park 3 from 2001.

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<v Ivan>Jurassic Park 3. I think I stopped I'm pretty sure I stopped at,

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<v Ivan>And I don't even think I watched two entirely.

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<v Ivan>I think that two was one of those movies that I watched pieces of.

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<v Ivan>Back when linear TV was it, and I had all the movie channels,

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<v Ivan>and the movie channels worked where they repeated these movies,

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<v Ivan>you know, all the time at many hours of the day.

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<v Ivan>So I'm sure that I flipped through and, like, watched pieces of Jurassic Park 2.

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<v Ivan>but I was they never grabbed me enough to say hey let me DVR this thing and

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<v Ivan>watch the whole thing or something like that right well you know since I'm.

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<v Sam>Giving you a one week heads up you have time to watch both the African Queen

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<v Sam>and Jurassic Park 3 before next week but also if I'm.

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<v Ivan>Saying that I have to say you have another assignment yes I have another assignment

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<v Ivan>which is more critical which is to try to watch Superman The new one. The new one.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to try to see how I get this done. Maybe it's playing in the Dominican Republic.

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<v Ivan>Because I am going to be in the Dominican Republic almost the entire week. And I know that I have.

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<v Sam>Here's the thing. Yeah. It would be cool. Watch it in Spanish. Spanish dubbed super.

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<v Ivan>I got to see if that's a lot of these movies now.

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<v Sam>English with subtitles?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Actually that's probably actually better but yeah

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<v Ivan>you know so i don't know that

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<v Ivan>may be dubbed i i you know look i've

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<v Ivan>been to see movies like

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<v Ivan>in foreign countries like i i still remember this this you know like in spain

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<v Ivan>in spain it was very spain had very tough laws related language and movies they

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<v Ivan>basically almost everything in hollywood they had to be shown on a big screen

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<v Ivan>It was very rare to be able to find any edition only with subtitles. They were all dubbed.

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<v Ivan>at the movie theaters. I don't know if they've lightened on that,

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<v Ivan>but it used to be very difficult.

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<v Ivan>And there was a lot of like...

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<v Ivan>They really promoted the local Spanish film industry, which they actually made

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<v Ivan>a whole bunch of pretty decent films.

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<v Ivan>But I don't know. I'm going to see. I don't know.

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<v Ivan>It would be interesting if I go see it, then it's dubbed. That would be...

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<v Ivan>I gotta admit, yeah, that would be something.

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<v Ivan>I haven't watched a dubbed movie in a long time.

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<v Sam>Uh so i i i i back to the thing we said we weren't going to talk about the media

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<v Sam>this week right so oh i i did want to mention that the reason you have the assignment for superman,

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<v Sam>is our loyal listener pete who has hosted the show once wants to come on and

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<v Sam>talk to us about superman.

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<v Ivan>I know so.

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<v Sam>But he wants he wants both of us to have seen it so the three of us and what happened is.

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<v Ivan>Look, I was going to get this done. I was going to go see the movie,

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<v Ivan>but I wound up getting sick.

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<v Ivan>So I thought my wife was going to wait to go watch the movie,

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<v Ivan>but as I slept, I didn't realize they went to the theater and watched the movie

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<v Ivan>without me, which I understand.

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<v Ivan>I was out. I was not well.

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<v Ivan>I said, look, we're going to go to a movie. They said, look,

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<v Ivan>we'll just go to the movies.

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<v Ivan>I think she said, hey, you okay if we go do something? I'm like, Yeah, sure. I'm okay.

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<v Sam>Lie here okay so to the

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<v Sam>first of my two stories so first

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<v Sam>of all you miss you have misidentified my emotions i

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<v Sam>never actually rose to the level of anger i very i i suppressed it well i complained

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<v Sam>to you guys on the slack you're upset but i was upset i was more sad than angry

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<v Sam>though i was sad and annoyed.

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<v Ivan>I said maybe angry. I don't know.

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<v Sam>I was annoyed. I was annoyed and I was sad, but I never actually got angry. So what happened?

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<v Sam>The bottom line, and we can get into the details of what I did wrong,

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<v Sam>because part of why I wasn't angry, let me rephrase.

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<v Sam>I was angry at myself. I was not angry at others okay and this is because yes

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<v Sam>I was angry at myself I was sad I was,

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<v Sam>annoyed but I was not angry at others and so,

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<v Sam>and to those listening who have no idea because they're not on the slack this

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<v Sam>is going to be very confusing up to this point but the bottom line if you remember

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<v Sam>a couple weeks ago it was like three weeks ago now maybe four almost it was

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<v Sam>three like three and a half it was july 5th i bought the damn car i bought a new car on july 5th.

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<v Ivan>Well he had to.

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<v Sam>Okay the.

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<v Ivan>Other car i think we did tell the story.

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<v Sam>Yes we oh yeah we spent a whole episode on it yeah your other.

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<v Ivan>Car like died a spectacular well yeah it died a spectacular death yes.

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<v Sam>So anyway cars.

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<v Ivan>For some reason have a tendency to do during his life he has a tendency to for a flare Therefore,

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<v Ivan>the nowment of the vehicle is always, it happens in a very dramatic fashion.

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<v Sam>I haven't yet done one of the things where one goes flying off the cliff and

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<v Sam>then hits on the bottom and explodes.

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<v Ivan>I would like that one not to happen, you know.

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<v Sam>Well, I don't have to be in it.

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<v Ivan>Fair. You can jump out. Yes. At the last, yeah. You know. Okay.

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<v Sam>Jump out at the last minute.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>Or, or, or. you know none of my none of my cars have had sunroofs but get one

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<v Sam>with a sunroof and then you know parachute out the top while it's going down the hill.

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<v Ivan>I thought the saturn had a sunroof no no okay.

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<v Sam>Oh you know the corolla might have the one before the saturn.

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<v Ivan>Yeah one of those two.

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<v Sam>I only had for a few months right.

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<v Ivan>Because the corolla went out in a spectacular fashion as well.

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<v Sam>It was a multi-car collision that I was in the middle of.

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<v Ivan>Yes. Yes.

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<v Sam>Yes. Anyway, like the point of all this...

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<v Sam>The point of all this is my daughter was pulling out of our driveway and hit

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<v Sam>the corner of my brand new car.

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<v Ivan>You know what? To be fair. Okay.

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<v Sam>To be full disclosure. Let's be

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<v Sam>fair because I will explain more of the scenario. But you go ahead first.

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<v Ivan>You know, you talk about that. And, you know, oh, my God. You know,

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<v Ivan>like it didn't happen. Look, my brother one time at our house. Okay.

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<v Ivan>We had a. It was. It wasn't that old. It must have been maybe a year old,

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<v Ivan>tops two years old Mercedes, okay?

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<v Ivan>A very nice Mercedes that dad bought, okay?

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<v Ivan>He came in thundering in his Isuzu Trooper SUV, which had very poor rear visibility.

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<v Ivan>Because back then, these cars, obviously no rear camera, but the one thing is

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<v Ivan>they kept mounting the spare tires in the back.

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<v Ivan>You're mounting the spare tire in the back Limited rear visibility In a ridiculous

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<v Ivan>way Okay My brother comes in,

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<v Ivan>thunders into the house He had to drop something at my parents house The car

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<v Ivan>was parked off to the side And when he went to back up He backed up real quick

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<v Ivan>Not looking And completely broadsided The relative The pretty new Mercedes Okay,

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<v Ivan>alright So he hit his car and he broadsided the car.

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<v Ivan>Okay, all right. So we've had, I had

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<v Ivan>my brother's son go visit his in-laws and they left the two-year-old inside

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<v Ivan>this Mercedes and he popped the car out of gear on a hill and it went down a

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<v Ivan>hill and hit a Porsche and a Corvette at the bottom of the hill.

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<v Ivan>The kid was two years old and he managed to wreck three cars at once.

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<v Ivan>So, precocious yes amy's hit in the scheme of things i thought i saw the video

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<v Ivan>sam shared the video i saw what happened you know it was a tight fit it.

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<v Sam>Was a tight fit.

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<v Ivan>It was a tight fit i and you know let.

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<v Sam>Me describe for a little bit the configuration here we we have what's called

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<v Sam>a flag lot for our house, which means there's a long driveway,

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<v Sam>and then it's sort of, well, long in the scheme of things.

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<v Ivan>It is long. It is a relatively long driveway for most modern people.

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<v Sam>It's like what? You've been here. It's like 50 feet or something?

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<v Ivan>Yeah. It's a long driveway. Yeah. It constitutes for...

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<v Sam>Yeah it's a long driveway i

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<v Sam>mean it's not like half a mile or something but yeah half a mile but it's.

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<v Ivan>A long driveway you're not you know it's not you're not right off the street no you have.

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<v Sam>To know we are back from the street which it's sort of we are one of the houses

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<v Sam>that was sort of squeezed in on the last remaining space of the development

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<v Sam>after everything else was built so there's a little there's this driveway that

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<v Sam>goes behind the other houses to where we are Okay.

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<v Sam>And it's actually one of the reasons we liked this house is it wasn't directly on the street. Right.

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<v Sam>So anyway, long, long driveway and then it expands out.

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<v Sam>So we've got a two car garage there and then there's actually a space next to it.

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<v Sam>That's enough. Like if everything was clear and we didn't have anything going on,

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<v Sam>you could comfortably fit three cars there and you could could squeeze for it

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<v Sam>if there was nothing there okay nothing of course we've got plenty of crap there okay.

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<v Ivan>There's junk all over the place i.

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<v Sam>Don't know.

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<v Ivan>What it is well i say junk i mean.

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<v Sam>So let me look at the video right let me

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<v Sam>describe the specific judge that well i'm

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<v Sam>not even getting to the stuff that you see on the video first there's the

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<v Sam>other stuff that makes us park as tight as we do so first

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<v Sam>of all brandy has this old like what is it a 1985 riata or something like Via

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<v Sam>Criata That she's dragged It was her first car ever That she got as a teenager

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<v Sam>We're in our 50s now Okay She's dragged this car around Ever since Okay,

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<v Sam>It has not moved under its own power in over 15 years.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Obviously, that car will not start, right?

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<v Sam>So the last time we tried to start it, it did. It just needs like a jump start.

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<v Sam>Okay. And it'll go for a very short amount of time.

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<v Sam>It's got, there is a, it, it, I mean, look, it's been 15 years.

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<v Sam>It may have more problems now than it did last time we tried. Okay.

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<v Ivan>It's not wine. It didn't improve with age. I got to guarantee you that.

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<v Sam>Right. So, like, it's just been sitting in our driveway for 15 years with a

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<v Sam>car cover over it, right?

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<v Sam>Now, but last time we tried to actually move it under its own power,

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<v Sam>I figured out why it was draining the battery almost instantly every time.

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<v Sam>It had one of these old...

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<v Ivan>Alarm systems?

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<v Sam>No. Do you remember the retractable radio antennas?

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<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, the little motorized ones.

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<v Sam>That when you turn on...

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<v Ivan>The motor was stuck?

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<v Sam>The motor was stuck.

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<v Ivan>Well, that's an easy fix, actually. You could just pop up, pull the fuse.

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, what was happening was every time the car turned

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<v Sam>on, the stupid antenna would just go, and it would just stay,

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<v Sam>and it would completely drain the battery, no matter what else you did.

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<v Ivan>Eventually, yeah, eventually it'll drain the battery. Sure.

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<v Sam>Because for whatever reason, it would keep trying to retract the damn thing

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<v Sam>after you turned off the car.

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<v Ivan>Those things are prone to break. Yeah. Okay.

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<v Sam>So it would keep going. Anyway, so it hasn't moved under its own power in 15 years.

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<v Sam>The last time it came home, it was towed home.

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<v Sam>Okay? And...

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<v Sam>Because it had actually, it was a long story. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

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<v Sam>It was towed home the last time it came home.

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<v Sam>And the tow truck driver couldn't get it all that close to the edge of the driveway.

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<v Sam>So it's basically taking up a space and a half of what it should.

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<v Sam>There's like, between it and the edge of the driveway, there's like six feet.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>So like it could have been over further, which would make it far more comfortable

00:15:36.640 --> 00:15:39.360
<v Sam>for the other two cars that are there.

00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:45.080
<v Sam>Now we actually have three cars right now that are actually like moving.

00:15:45.500 --> 00:15:49.360
<v Sam>So it'd be nice if that thing wasn't there and we had three others.

00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:54.000
<v Sam>Now, there is a place we could have put that car that's further back next to

00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.480
<v Sam>our house, but we filled that with a giant storage container because we've completely

00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.980
<v Sam>filled our both our garage and our house with junk.

00:16:02.680 --> 00:16:06.660
<v Sam>So we've got this storage container that we pay like a couple hundred dollars

00:16:06.660 --> 00:16:09.300
<v Sam>a month to have there. Plus, we have a full garage.

00:16:09.500 --> 00:16:13.820
<v Sam>Plus, we have a full house. So we couldn't put the car where the storage container is.

00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:19.140
<v Sam>So the red car was there. And I've been telling Brandy for the entire,

00:16:19.420 --> 00:16:24.720
<v Sam>like the last time it was put there was, I don't know, 10 years ago.

00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.040
<v Sam>No, no, not even. It was only six years or so. Like the last time it moved under

00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:32.140
<v Sam>its own power was 15 years, but I told you the story was complicated.

00:16:32.180 --> 00:16:36.120
<v Sam>It left and came back, not under its own power at one point.

00:16:36.460 --> 00:16:41.440
<v Sam>But anyway, the, I've been telling her ever since it was parked there,

00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.860
<v Sam>we should pop the sucker into neutral and,

00:16:45.710 --> 00:16:51.290
<v Sam>and push it out and back so that we can move it six feet over and make a lot

00:16:51.290 --> 00:16:54.150
<v Sam>more room for the other cars that would be that.

00:16:54.150 --> 00:16:55.890
<v Ivan>Would be a great idea yeah.

00:16:55.890 --> 00:17:01.890
<v Sam>But but we've never done that we we've never done that in part because she's

00:17:01.890 --> 00:17:06.110
<v Sam>like you know if we're gonna do that she says something with riatas you can't

00:17:06.110 --> 00:17:09.830
<v Sam>just pop them into neutral i i don't know like she wanted to actually start

00:17:09.830 --> 00:17:14.090
<v Sam>the car again i don't know if she's right or not but she is probably nothing

00:17:14.090 --> 00:17:15.830
<v Sam>i may be even misremembering it.

00:17:16.230 --> 00:17:18.570
<v Sam>But anyway, there was always an excuse for why we weren't going to...

00:17:18.570 --> 00:17:20.170
<v Ivan>It's a 1980s Riatta.

00:17:20.950 --> 00:17:23.470
<v Sam>Well, they only made the cars for three years.

00:17:24.310 --> 00:17:30.450
<v Ivan>But they're not... Did I recall? They don't have one of these newfangled electronic lectures.

00:17:31.790 --> 00:17:36.990
<v Sam>Well, the Riatta's had a bunch of electronic crap that was ahead of their time.

00:17:37.010 --> 00:17:41.610
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, yes, it did. Especially on the dashboard.

00:17:42.090 --> 00:17:45.350
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the transmission, as far as I remember,

00:17:45.490 --> 00:17:52.950
<v Ivan>in the engine, they were pretty much normal, standard, substandard GM stuff of that era. You know,

00:17:54.970 --> 00:17:59.890
<v Ivan>any transmissions, even from, you know, now you've got all these like cars with

00:17:59.890 --> 00:18:06.350
<v Ivan>like push button transmissions and other stuff, okay, which are a standard modern thing right now.

00:18:06.350 --> 00:18:10.010
<v Ivan>you know you get these things where you got buttons levers

00:18:10.010 --> 00:18:15.550
<v Ivan>and whatever that are that send electronic signals but you know nobody not even

00:18:15.550 --> 00:18:20.790
<v Ivan>mercedes like any of those they were you know they they were back then they

00:18:20.790 --> 00:18:24.950
<v Ivan>were still just a little you know lever mechanically actuating something they

00:18:24.950 --> 00:18:26.970
<v Ivan>they you know that wasn't right.

00:18:26.970 --> 00:18:29.390
<v Sam>Right so anyway bottom line there was.

00:18:29.390 --> 00:18:30.090
<v Ivan>Always an excuse.

00:18:30.090 --> 00:18:34.850
<v Sam>For why we didn't move it over so so the remaining space in the driveway was

00:18:34.850 --> 00:18:39.490
<v Sam>less than it was anyway, but it's been that way almost the entire time we've lived here.

00:18:39.770 --> 00:18:44.090
<v Sam>And, and now at this point, by the way, this, the six feet that I mentioned

00:18:44.090 --> 00:18:48.910
<v Sam>that are there, we've of course filled that with crumb, you know, at the moment, you know,

00:18:50.090 --> 00:18:51.590
<v Sam>there's, there's like stuff that

00:18:51.590 --> 00:18:55.970
<v Sam>is destined for the dump, but hasn't gone there yet and stuff like that.

00:18:56.110 --> 00:19:00.830
<v Sam>And, you know, like we've got all kinds of old stuff that, you know,

00:19:01.750 --> 00:19:05.490
<v Sam>Randy and I are ready to get rid of, but we need to do it in a sneaky way because

00:19:05.490 --> 00:19:09.350
<v Sam>alex is going to get upset if we get rid of it there's there's stuff that nobody

00:19:09.350 --> 00:19:14.370
<v Sam>wants but is too bulky to like put in the the trash bin so we have to figure

00:19:14.370 --> 00:19:18.890
<v Sam>out the right way to get rid of it you know all this kind of crap right so and

00:19:18.890 --> 00:19:20.570
<v Sam>and of course that's been there forever too,

00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:25.270
<v Sam>you know so yvonne's making all kinds of faces i.

00:19:25.270 --> 00:19:30.070
<v Ivan>I i would like to strap like the storage thing and whatever on top of a rocket

00:19:30.070 --> 00:19:33.570
<v Ivan>and just launch it into the sun while you guys are sleeping and Then have you

00:19:33.570 --> 00:19:36.170
<v Ivan>mad at me for a year or something, whatever. I don't care.

00:19:36.670 --> 00:19:40.630
<v Sam>You know, that's probably where the curmudgeon's corner tapes are. From college.

00:19:40.770 --> 00:19:40.850
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:19:41.620 --> 00:19:47.620
<v Sam>Okay. But, and see, here's the, that's the problem with all this stuff is it's

00:19:47.620 --> 00:19:52.900
<v Sam>75% trash, but the trash is all mixed in with the 25% that's not.

00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:57.520
<v Sam>And so you have to actually go through each item one by one to like, see what's going on.

00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.900
<v Sam>Anyway. Anyway, and I'm ready to get rid of 75% of it. But anyway,

00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:05.140
<v Sam>the point is, so there was constrained space for that.

00:20:05.380 --> 00:20:09.280
<v Sam>But it's been like that almost the entire time we've lived here.

00:20:09.420 --> 00:20:11.060
<v Sam>We've parked two cars there in the front.

00:20:12.360 --> 00:20:18.300
<v Sam>Usually, my wife parks in the spot that's closest to straight ahead from the

00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:22.000
<v Sam>driveway, and I park in the one that's closest to the house.

00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:28.420
<v Sam>The one that's closest to the house requires you to sort of shimmy to the right and around.

00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:34.040
<v Sam>because, you know, like I said, it's the narrow driveway and then it expands out.

00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:38.480
<v Sam>And when I say it expands out, there's like bushes and stuff. Okay.

00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.720
<v Sam>There's like, there's actually rocks at one point, but like for the,

00:20:42.780 --> 00:20:44.860
<v Sam>the rocks are further back.

00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.220
<v Sam>Mainly what you have to worry about is the bushes. I've only actually scraped

00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:54.100
<v Sam>a rock once, you know, but Yvonne's making more faces.

00:20:54.100 --> 00:20:57.500
<v Sam>anyway so what's happened

00:20:57.500 --> 00:21:01.280
<v Sam>though the last month or two is

00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:04.220
<v Sam>my my my wife was gone

00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:06.980
<v Sam>for a while like on various trips and i parked her car

00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:09.780
<v Sam>at the airport so the other two spaces were

00:21:09.780 --> 00:21:12.760
<v Sam>open my and when i was at work

00:21:12.760 --> 00:21:17.060
<v Sam>the both spaces were open my daughter has

00:21:17.060 --> 00:21:21.540
<v Sam>you know an old pontiac aztec and so

00:21:21.540 --> 00:21:24.700
<v Sam>she wanted she is preparing

00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:28.280
<v Sam>to go to the east coast to

00:21:28.280 --> 00:21:36.160
<v Sam>live at least a year with her her grandmother okay and so she wanted to load

00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.960
<v Sam>up the car with all her stuff yes she's driving cross-country in an ancient

00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.420
<v Sam>pontiac aztec too so you know there are all kinds of things that could go wrong there.

00:21:46.300 --> 00:21:52.420
<v Sam>That'll probably be a different story for a different day. More faces for me, Fawn.

00:21:53.960 --> 00:22:02.700
<v Sam>So anyway, she backed her car up to the garage so she could easily load her

00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:05.000
<v Sam>stuff into the back of the car from the garage.

00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:11.100
<v Sam>And so her car had basically been there for most of the last month.

00:22:11.320 --> 00:22:18.240
<v Sam>So when I got my new car, for the first few days, I did not park there at all

00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:23.960
<v Sam>because I was like, that space is kind of tight between where she parked and the Riata.

00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.520
<v Sam>And I was like, yeah, so I parked on the street a lot.

00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:32.700
<v Sam>And then finally, I was like, I want to actually try charging my car at home.

00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:34.580
<v Sam>I want to park in the garage.

00:22:35.080 --> 00:22:40.200
<v Sam>Not in the garage. That would be impossible. It's full. But I want to park in

00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.620
<v Sam>the driveway in front of the garage.

00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:47.640
<v Sam>And so I actually tried going in. The first time I did it, I got in there,

00:22:47.660 --> 00:22:51.760
<v Sam>and then I was like, you know, that's a little too close to her.

00:22:52.300 --> 00:22:55.840
<v Sam>I'm not going to do that. So I backed out because I was, like,

00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:57.060
<v Sam>thinking it's a little tight.

00:22:57.740 --> 00:23:02.360
<v Sam>It's tight. And the second time, though, I was like, screw it. I'm going to try.

00:23:02.540 --> 00:23:06.660
<v Sam>Okay. So I got in there. I got as close to the Riata as I possibly could.

00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:14.420
<v Sam>And I also scooched forward as close as I could to the actual garage.

00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.280
<v Sam>And, you know, I was close enough to the Riata so that, like,

00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:22.060
<v Sam>I was squeezing out of the car door to get out, okay?

00:23:23.860 --> 00:23:27.840
<v Sam>And then I, you know, I got the charger going and I plugged it in and all this

00:23:27.840 --> 00:23:28.800
<v Sam>kind of stuff and it worked.

00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:32.320
<v Sam>And so I did this for several days in a row without incidents.

00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:36.810
<v Sam>Okay. And so I'm like, oh, okay, this is going well. It's, it's,

00:23:37.110 --> 00:23:40.270
<v Sam>it, it works. It's no problem in my head.

00:23:40.730 --> 00:23:46.150
<v Sam>She was leaving and coming back most days, but I don't think she actually was.

00:23:46.370 --> 00:23:47.550
<v Ivan>She actually didn't, huh?

00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:52.770
<v Sam>No, I don't think she had, I think she'd been there the entire time had not moved.

00:23:53.010 --> 00:23:58.310
<v Sam>Cause also, oh, by the way, the way she'd backed in gave even less space than

00:23:58.310 --> 00:24:01.150
<v Sam>there sometimes otherwise would have been. Okay.

00:24:01.810 --> 00:24:06.090
<v Sam>Cause she wasn't like hugging up against the house or anything either.

00:24:06.310 --> 00:24:10.810
<v Sam>And when she had backed in, I hadn't been there. So like, anyway,

00:24:10.970 --> 00:24:14.410
<v Sam>but when, when I parked each time I sort of got out, I looked,

00:24:14.550 --> 00:24:18.190
<v Sam>I assessed the situation and I was like, God, there's room to get out. You can get out.

00:24:18.770 --> 00:24:21.650
<v Sam>The instant where this happened, two

00:24:21.650 --> 00:24:24.810
<v Sam>things were different than most

00:24:24.810 --> 00:24:29.550
<v Sam>of the other times one i wasn't always charging this time i was charging so

00:24:29.550 --> 00:24:33.610
<v Sam>you not only had my car you had the you got the cable sticking out yeah you

00:24:33.610 --> 00:24:38.690
<v Sam>have the cable sticking out and it was on the side towards her car and two and

00:24:38.690 --> 00:24:42.010
<v Sam>this was my fatal flaw above all else,

00:24:43.370 --> 00:24:48.310
<v Sam>i like i i was getting really excited the new car has the little like warning

00:24:48.310 --> 00:24:51.530
<v Sam>indicator on how close you are to what you're about to park in front of,

00:24:51.710 --> 00:24:55.370
<v Sam>and it sort of has a yellow and then a red.

00:24:55.510 --> 00:24:55.790
<v Ivan>Red.

00:24:55.890 --> 00:25:01.650
<v Sam>Red when you're really close, yellow when you're like at a normal distance. I stopped at the yellow.

00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:09.480
<v Sam>with, instead of pushing all the way up to the red, that probably made six inches

00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.060
<v Sam>of difference, maybe a foot of difference.

00:25:12.340 --> 00:25:15.500
<v Sam>And that would have been all she would have needed to easily miss.

00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:16.280
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Sam>And I was like, yellow is good enough. There's been no problem.

00:25:20.620 --> 00:25:24.000
<v Sam>I've been parking here for days now, you know, there's been a yellow.

00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.660
<v Sam>And then I got out, I looked, it looked fine.

00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:29.280
<v Sam>That looked like there was plenty of space. And also, of course,

00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:33.980
<v Sam>in my head, I'm thinking if she has any sort of problem, if it's too tight for

00:25:33.980 --> 00:25:35.920
<v Sam>her, she'll call me and I'll just move it.

00:25:36.540 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Ivan>Right.

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Sam>You know, because I'm not thinking like...

00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:47.700
<v Ivan>She might be overly confident or... Right. Not really gauge it. It was...

00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:50.620
<v Sam>It was very tight. Like I looked...

00:25:50.620 --> 00:25:53.880
<v Ivan>I will say this. If it were me...

00:25:53.880 --> 00:26:00.200
<v Sam>Oh, I should add... Wait, let me add one more thing that I did not take into account.

00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.060
<v Sam>my wife moved a bunch of flower pots

00:26:04.060 --> 00:26:07.180
<v Sam>into the driveway on the

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:10.260
<v Sam>more difficult on the other side that probably took another

00:26:10.260 --> 00:26:18.020
<v Sam>six inches off the available space on her left i was parked on her right there's

00:26:18.020 --> 00:26:24.040
<v Sam>another six inches taken away on the left and so anyway sorry sorry i'll tell

00:26:24.040 --> 00:26:27.420
<v Sam>the rest of the story say what you were going to say about your own all i.

00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:31.040
<v Ivan>Was going to say is that i I've had these situations like my wife has been concerned

00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Ivan>about being too tight, getting it, the car into say our garage.

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.940
<v Ivan>So I know my wife, especially knowing it was a new car.

00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Ivan>She would have been like, immediately.

00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.740
<v Ivan>I'm like, Oh shit, I'm not chancing this. I'm like, let me call up.

00:26:46.550 --> 00:26:51.770
<v Ivan>you know, I'm going to guess that she was just a little bit more like, yeah, it's fine.

00:26:52.690 --> 00:26:58.410
<v Sam>Yeah, I feel confident that let alone, like, I've said on the curmudgeon's corner

00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:01.470
<v Sam>slack, well, first of all, I should have moved forward a couple inches,

00:27:01.750 --> 00:27:02.770
<v Sam>giving her a little bit more room.

00:27:03.110 --> 00:27:09.130
<v Sam>But I've said, you know, I was like, I'm confident I could have made it.

00:27:09.290 --> 00:27:15.650
<v Sam>Now, I might be full of shit, you know, but I was like, I'm confident I could have made it.

00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:24.230
<v Sam>But Honestly, I'm confident she would have made it if I had so much as said,

00:27:24.390 --> 00:27:28.530
<v Sam>be careful of my car when you leave. That's all it would have happened.

00:27:28.550 --> 00:27:31.850
<v Ivan>She would have probably given it more thought. I think it's probably one of

00:27:31.850 --> 00:27:35.890
<v Ivan>those things that, you know what? Different configuration, different car.

00:27:36.730 --> 00:27:40.250
<v Ivan>She didn't. It just didn't. Like, I'll get out. It's fine.

00:27:41.110 --> 00:27:46.470
<v Sam>Yeah. Well, the thing is, what she said is she didn't realize the charger was

00:27:46.470 --> 00:27:49.030
<v Sam>there first, and that gave extra space.

00:27:49.450 --> 00:27:53.010
<v Sam>Like at first, so when she actually pulled that out.

00:27:53.970 --> 00:27:55.090
<v Ivan>You know, about what I could understand.

00:27:56.170 --> 00:28:02.490
<v Sam>She pulled out, she hit the charger cable, and then at first she thought she'd

00:28:02.490 --> 00:28:04.230
<v Sam>only hit the charger cable, right?

00:28:04.350 --> 00:28:09.290
<v Sam>But if you look at the marks on the car, it's clear she hit the actual front bumper of the car too.

00:28:10.210 --> 00:28:13.170
<v Sam>But she thought what had happened is she'd hung

00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:16.290
<v Sam>up on the charger and it had bent and

00:28:16.290 --> 00:28:20.810
<v Sam>scraped against the rest of the car and you

00:28:20.810 --> 00:28:23.570
<v Sam>know of course you see like

00:28:23.570 --> 00:28:28.350
<v Sam>once she hit there's like some back and forth to try to get out of it you know

00:28:28.350 --> 00:28:33.770
<v Sam>if you look at and and the video wasn't at a great angle it's it's actually

00:28:33.770 --> 00:28:38.270
<v Sam>coincidental like the one video that would have had a good angle like the motion

00:28:38.270 --> 00:28:41.730
<v Sam>detection didn't actually start until after the impact, which made the video

00:28:41.730 --> 00:28:42.890
<v Sam>from that one kind of useless.

00:28:43.450 --> 00:28:47.690
<v Sam>The video from the other one was a camera that we normally have pointed at our

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:52.230
<v Sam>porch, but we had had pointed at some other stuff for random reasons.

00:28:52.230 --> 00:28:56.050
<v Sam>We were watching some wildlife and stuff, you know, and so we,

00:28:56.270 --> 00:29:00.730
<v Sam>it was, it just happened to be randomly positioned in a way that it caught sort

00:29:00.730 --> 00:29:02.850
<v Sam>of the edge of her car while this was happening.

00:29:03.010 --> 00:29:06.650
<v Sam>So you can see what was happening, but the but

00:29:06.650 --> 00:29:09.550
<v Sam>anyway yeah so in the

00:29:09.550 --> 00:29:13.650
<v Sam>end it wasn't there are two first

00:29:13.650 --> 00:29:19.070
<v Sam>of all the charger itself the you know luck you know one of the important things

00:29:19.070 --> 00:29:25.030
<v Sam>that's a smart thing with these chargers and other things they are intentionally

00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:28.870
<v Sam>designed so like if you drive away while they're still plugged in,

00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:30.550
<v Sam>they'll, like, snap off.

00:29:30.690 --> 00:29:32.170
<v Ivan>It snaps off. Yeah, okay.

00:29:32.830 --> 00:29:35.070
<v Sam>Right? You know, the end part. Well, actually, the car.

00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:40.130
<v Ivan>And I guess, because the car is actually not supposed, you know, like, I can't, like,

00:29:41.010 --> 00:29:41.930
<v Ivan>I can't.

00:29:42.050 --> 00:29:45.170
<v Sam>No, I know. It won't even start if it's plugged in.

00:29:45.390 --> 00:29:45.650
<v Ivan>Correct.

00:29:45.670 --> 00:29:49.010
<v Sam>So let me further expound out.

00:29:49.410 --> 00:29:54.010
<v Sam>If someone hits the charger, like happened here, the tip is designed to break off.

00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:54.650
<v Ivan>To break off.

00:29:54.790 --> 00:29:58.930
<v Sam>So that you don't, like, damage the entire charger assembly.

00:29:59.250 --> 00:29:59.690
<v Ivan>Right.

00:29:59.690 --> 00:30:05.790
<v Sam>You know. So the tip was sort of, it wasn't completely broken off, but it was all loose.

00:30:06.270 --> 00:30:12.330
<v Sam>Okay. When I got to look at it. So the actual charge cable for the trickle charger

00:30:12.330 --> 00:30:15.130
<v Sam>was clearly, like, had damage.

00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:22.350
<v Sam>And then there were scrapes and bruises in the back right quadrant of the car. Okay?

00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:28.210
<v Sam>And, look, I've told people, you know, look, if this had happened to my Subaru,

00:30:28.450 --> 00:30:30.730
<v Sam>I wouldn't have even noticed. You know?

00:30:31.130 --> 00:30:32.950
<v Ivan>You notice it because it's a brand new car.

00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:36.850
<v Sam>I notice it because it's a brand new car. Like, on a 15-year-old car,

00:30:37.050 --> 00:30:40.350
<v Sam>it's got all kinds of bumps and bruises, showing its history over the years.

00:30:40.590 --> 00:30:47.290
<v Sam>And at a certain point, you are like, you know, even more major damage than

00:30:47.290 --> 00:30:48.710
<v Sam>that. You're like, it's not worth fixing.

00:30:48.830 --> 00:30:55.870
<v Ivan>Bottom line it now, okay? Is it damage? Because, listen, the bruises were minor, okay? I will say.

00:30:56.030 --> 00:30:56.190
<v Sam>Yes.

00:30:56.190 --> 00:31:02.690
<v Ivan>I probably, I mean, it seemed. No damage to the charge port or any of that?

00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:07.610
<v Sam>Well, let me put it this way. I have not had it yet looked at professionally.

00:31:07.850 --> 00:31:08.910
<v Sam>The charge port works fine.

00:31:09.430 --> 00:31:12.270
<v Ivan>Okay, so it works fine. So all you need is a new cable.

00:31:13.190 --> 00:31:16.710
<v Sam>Well, I hammered the cable back together, too. It works fine, too.

00:31:17.490 --> 00:31:19.690
<v Ivan>Okay. You know...

00:31:20.530 --> 00:31:26.210
<v Sam>Well, and I say hammer, but what I actually mean is I hit it against something.

00:31:26.630 --> 00:31:27.110
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:31:27.310 --> 00:31:31.470
<v Sam>And it's not back all the way. It's back almost all the way.

00:31:31.470 --> 00:31:32.650
<v Ivan>I'm sorry.

00:31:33.890 --> 00:31:38.370
<v Ivan>You know, in the interest of electrical safety.

00:31:38.370 --> 00:31:39.050
<v Sam>Not catching fire?

00:31:39.250 --> 00:31:43.850
<v Ivan>Fire. Fucking get a new fucking cable.

00:31:45.070 --> 00:31:49.270
<v Sam>Well, I was thinking I might get another one anyway, just so I can have them in multiple locations.

00:31:50.710 --> 00:31:54.430
<v Ivan>Okay, let's not use the cable that was damaged. Okay?

00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:58.670
<v Ivan>You know, because the next thing, look, I actually met this guy.

00:31:58.810 --> 00:32:03.010
<v Ivan>There's a story, if you look this up, on, you can search this on,

00:32:03.010 --> 00:32:08.750
<v Ivan>on on in google there is a guy in north carolina many years ago whose house

00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:13.330
<v Ivan>entire house went on fire because of an issue with a chevy bolt and the charging

00:32:13.330 --> 00:32:19.270
<v Ivan>system okay and this is an issue that these don't happen as much as they have this is why they.

00:32:19.270 --> 00:32:23.290
<v Sam>Won't let them park chevy bolts in my parking garage at work there's.

00:32:23.290 --> 00:32:27.010
<v Ivan>A right which that's still yeah but even though that's that's not an issue anymore

00:32:27.010 --> 00:32:32.670
<v Ivan>yeah and this wasn't a bolt with a b it was the volt with the v yeah yeah I'm sorry, the hybrid.

00:32:33.290 --> 00:32:35.350
<v Ivan>Well, well, bolt, bolt, bolt, fucking, you know.

00:32:35.730 --> 00:32:37.810
<v Sam>Bolt, bolt, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:44.910
<v Ivan>And so he had one of these, and it caught, it burned down his entire house.

00:32:45.310 --> 00:32:47.930
<v Ivan>It burned all his possessions, okay?

00:32:48.510 --> 00:32:54.790
<v Ivan>This was in the news. GM actually, apparently the blame was somewhere in the

00:32:54.790 --> 00:32:58.270
<v Ivan>middle of, like, they had one, they had put one of these, like,

00:32:58.350 --> 00:33:01.790
<v Ivan>wall chargers that was made by Siemens, and there's something with the battery.

00:33:01.990 --> 00:33:04.250
<v Ivan>Listen, they could not ascertain the final fall.

00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:11.250
<v Ivan>Bottom line is the GM actually paid for, gave him a set of new cars because

00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:13.470
<v Ivan>all his cars worked on Chris.

00:33:14.290 --> 00:33:17.790
<v Ivan>And had to do a very large settlement to recover that.

00:33:17.870 --> 00:33:21.450
<v Ivan>But it took a long, I mean, he told me it was just the worst experience of his

00:33:21.450 --> 00:33:25.430
<v Ivan>life because literally he lost all his possessions. Ever.

00:33:25.510 --> 00:33:25.850
<v Sam>Right. Right.

00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Ivan>And the whole entire house went up in fire.

00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:34.420
<v Ivan>And it was a very big, nice house that this guy had.

00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:38.240
<v Ivan>And he fucking lost everything. He was just telling me how he was just...

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.840
<v Ivan>I had to go shop at Walmart for clothes and shit and stuff right away and stay

00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:48.500
<v Ivan>at my relatives or whatever because I didn't have anything.

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:53.860
<v Sam>So what you're saying is taking the little plastic piece that bent and just

00:33:53.860 --> 00:33:56.360
<v Sam>shoving it back into place probably isn't enough?

00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.120
<v Ivan>No. Could you please?

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Sam>It's almost back in place, and it works.

00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:06.440
<v Ivan>Please get a new cable. Please. Please. Please. Please.

00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:09.980
<v Sam>I'll take about it, Evon. So let me say,

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Sam>Brandy has the responsibility, because I said I would probably not be in the

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:22.260
<v Sam>emotionally right place to do it, of determining exactly what we need to or

00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Sam>don't need to do with regard.

00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Sam>since this is a lease, like, do we have to fix stuff?

00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:31.860
<v Ivan>No, didn't you get the wear and tear thing?

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. So that probably... That is the way that the wear and tear.

00:34:36.860 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Sam>You don't have to do anything. Anyway, she is figuring that out.

00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Sam>She's talking to her people. Here's the bottom line.

00:34:44.640 --> 00:34:47.240
<v Sam>Here's the bottom line on my emotional state and everything else.

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:55.980
<v Sam>I was really upset for like 24 to 48 hours, okay? But then a wave of peace came over me.

00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:56.900
<v Ivan>Because?

00:34:57.700 --> 00:35:02.460
<v Sam>Because fundamentally, this released me from having to worry about it.

00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Ivan>Keep it again. Perfect. Now you already put some damage into it.

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:07.900
<v Ivan>So, my God, what the hell?

00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:13.020
<v Sam>Exactly. Like, for the first few weeks I had it, I was being super careful.

00:35:13.020 --> 00:35:16.860
<v Sam>I was thinking about it all the time. I was like, oh, my God.

00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:22.540
<v Sam>like this you know i touched the wall and there's a stain where my finger touched

00:35:22.540 --> 00:35:26.160
<v Sam>it i'm gonna have to figure out how to clean it now i'm like oh what the hell

00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:32.240
<v Sam>i don't care oh it's it's you know i i i perfection has.

00:35:32.240 --> 00:35:34.540
<v Ivan>Been broken and so therefore now whatever.

00:35:34.540 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Sam>Exactly the perfection has been broken so now nothing matters you know now okay do you remember.

00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.140
<v Ivan>That it's a lease.

00:35:42.140 --> 00:35:43.260
<v Sam>Okay so.

00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:45.540
<v Ivan>You can't okay Okay, so you can't just treat it like shit.

00:35:45.560 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Sam>I was going to say, now the rats are welcome back in.

00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:52.020
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, no, no. Okay.

00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:52.380
<v Sam>No?

00:35:52.600 --> 00:35:56.580
<v Ivan>What I will say is that a scrape like that, somebody... And actually,

00:35:56.600 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Ivan>I think it happened. It happened... No, it didn't happen at this hotel.

00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:05.140
<v Ivan>We were at a hotel in my wife's SUV many years ago.

00:36:05.580 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Ivan>And somebody scraped the bumper in the parking garage.

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.940
<v Ivan>I got to the car and I'm like, what the fuck? Somebody, you know,

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Ivan>pulling out of the garage Went and scraped the bumper Now, I buffed it And,

00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:24.080
<v Ivan>You could see that it had been damaged, but it wasn't a big deal.

00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Ivan>It wasn't a hole. It wasn't anything. It was just whatever.

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:30.220
<v Ivan>I returned the lease. As a matter of fact, when I returned the vehicle,

00:36:30.540 --> 00:36:34.240
<v Ivan>now it was pretty much perfect in every other way except for that.

00:36:34.340 --> 00:36:36.260
<v Sam>And they just counted it as normal wear and tear.

00:36:36.620 --> 00:36:37.060
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:44.660
<v Sam>Yeah. There's one little spot where it looks like instead of just a scrape,

00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:49.100
<v Sam>there's like a piece of metal that's like chipped or bent or something.

00:36:49.100 --> 00:36:55.460
<v Sam>but like it's one little tiny spot for the most part it's a few little scrapes

00:36:55.460 --> 00:37:01.160
<v Sam>and you know i keep thinking you may remember there's a bit in cars 2 do you

00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:03.460
<v Sam>remember this from the movie cars 2.

00:37:04.140 --> 00:37:07.080
<v Ivan>Which part i just recently saw it but no what.

00:37:07.080 --> 00:37:13.580
<v Sam>So the mater is put up is like in the plane he's been recruited by the spies

00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:20.300
<v Sam>yeah yeah yeah and they offer to fix his dents oh yeah that's And he says no,

00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:26.240
<v Sam>because the dents and scrapes are sort of his memories of a life well lived.

00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.120
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes.

00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.740
<v Sam>And so I'm like, you know, that's maybe that's it's time for that attitude.

00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:37.300
<v Sam>I was thinking, like, maybe it would be a few months before I had that attitude about this car.

00:37:37.560 --> 00:37:42.300
<v Sam>But, you know, whatever, you know, it's it's time for the Mater attitude.

00:37:42.700 --> 00:37:46.560
<v Sam>It's it's it is now actually my car.

00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Ivan>All right.

00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.520
<v Sam>Like, this is distinct from every other one of these cars on the road now.

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:58.300
<v Ivan>Okay, look, okay. I understand about the, you know, we all are dense and bruises

00:37:58.300 --> 00:38:02.780
<v Ivan>or whatever the marks, but it's not crazy I'm getting more stuff. Okay.

00:38:03.080 --> 00:38:03.460
<v Sam>All right.

00:38:04.300 --> 00:38:08.900
<v Ivan>You don't need to be, you know, like a clockwork with every inch of it.

00:38:10.810 --> 00:38:14.070
<v Sam>Well, you know, I, you know,

00:38:16.130 --> 00:38:20.490
<v Sam>but at the same time, you know, look, I still look at it and I'm still a little

00:38:20.490 --> 00:38:23.190
<v Sam>annoyed, to be honest, like when I walk by it,

00:38:23.550 --> 00:38:29.670
<v Sam>but I'm trying very hard to, you know, for the most part, the wave of peace

00:38:29.670 --> 00:38:31.890
<v Sam>has indeed come over me. I've gotten over it.

00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:36.050
<v Sam>But even from the very beginning, right. I was like, it was an accident.

00:38:36.850 --> 00:38:40.970
<v Sam>It's not the worst thing in the world. I'm not going to get mad.

00:38:41.270 --> 00:38:46.410
<v Sam>You know, I'm sad. I'm upset, but I'm not going to get mad. I forgive her.

00:38:47.290 --> 00:38:52.910
<v Sam>I forgive me. Cause again, like there's so many things I could have done to avoid it as well.

00:38:53.270 --> 00:38:57.430
<v Ivan>So listen, cars get dense. And that kind of dent is something that actually

00:38:57.430 --> 00:38:59.430
<v Ivan>a debt repair guy could come over and fix.

00:38:59.430 --> 00:39:05.510
<v Ivan>actually probably nobody would notice so i i as long as there's no other damage

00:39:05.510 --> 00:39:10.110
<v Ivan>you just need a new cable and like yeah you can get a dent guy to go and like

00:39:10.110 --> 00:39:15.890
<v Ivan>if you wanted to go to it they actually come on site they do it yeah.

00:39:15.890 --> 00:39:22.230
<v Sam>No i like i said i'm gonna let brandy take care of that entirely i have off outsourced that she.

00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:24.150
<v Ivan>Will decide what if anything needs.

00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:24.570
<v Sam>To be done.

00:39:24.570 --> 00:39:28.270
<v Ivan>All Right. So aside from your vehicle, you also this week had something.

00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:35.370
<v Sam>Second story. And there is more to this that I've not yet told on the curmudgeon's

00:39:35.370 --> 00:39:37.990
<v Sam>corner slack that looks bad for me.

00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:40.370
<v Ivan>Oh, God. OK.

00:39:41.490 --> 00:39:45.870
<v Sam>Anyway, so Tuesday morning, I leave for work.

00:39:46.470 --> 00:39:54.430
<v Sam>I drive, you know, I drive to work as I am driving to work. I'm like, my legs are really cold.

00:39:55.210 --> 00:39:58.070
<v Sam>i get to work i i like

00:39:58.070 --> 00:40:00.730
<v Sam>i'm you know as i do when i

00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:04.710
<v Sam>get to work i i have an officially assigned seat but i never sit there so the

00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:08.330
<v Sam>first thing i do is go wander around look for a place to sit that i like want

00:40:08.330 --> 00:40:12.410
<v Sam>to sit and do my work because i find all the comfy places to sit but as i'm

00:40:12.410 --> 00:40:19.050
<v Sam>doing so i'm like i am freezing i am absolutely freezing and it's july.

00:40:19.050 --> 00:40:20.310
<v Ivan>So it's not it's not.

00:40:20.310 --> 00:40:24.610
<v Sam>It's july There is air conditioning in the building, but I'm like,

00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:28.930
<v Sam>I'm pretty sure they have not set the air conditioning to like 55 or something. Okay.

00:40:30.190 --> 00:40:35.050
<v Sam>But I am absolutely freezing. And I realized pretty quickly,

00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:37.230
<v Sam>this feels like I have a fever.

00:40:37.410 --> 00:40:41.750
<v Sam>And I also like was just sort of starting to feel a little wobbly.

00:40:42.150 --> 00:40:44.050
<v Sam>So I'm like, this is not good.

00:40:44.630 --> 00:40:49.010
<v Sam>I was supposed to have a meeting with somebody in person coming up.

00:40:49.730 --> 00:40:52.970
<v Sam>The first thing I did was I messaged them and said, hey, look,

00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:55.470
<v Sam>I feel like I'm starting to get sick.

00:40:56.620 --> 00:40:59.940
<v Sam>I'm going to schedule this as a video conference instead, and I'm going to find

00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:03.200
<v Sam>some conference room to talk to you just so I don't expose you to whatever it is.

00:41:03.620 --> 00:41:05.720
<v Sam>But I still had half an hour till the meeting.

00:41:06.740 --> 00:41:11.520
<v Sam>But so I was going to wait till after the meeting, but I was like, no, I have time.

00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.640
<v Sam>There was a drugstore right across the way from my office. I went there.

00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Sam>I bought a thermometer, a fever thermometer, and I bought a COVID test. So first thing I did.

00:41:25.060 --> 00:41:28.120
<v Ivan>I mean, you suspected COVID already at that moment.

00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:32.120
<v Sam>Well, yeah, of course. Like, high fever. I also had a bit of a cough.

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.180
<v Sam>But honestly, I'd been nursing a bit of a cough for like a month. Okay.

00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.720
<v Sam>But it was just a low grade. And, you know, you and I have talked about,

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:44.060
<v Sam>like, I cough all the time.

00:41:44.540 --> 00:41:45.240
<v Ivan>Yes, you do.

00:41:46.240 --> 00:41:48.420
<v Sam>There's always something going on. Allergies.

00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Ivan>You always have to cough. I mean, it's like, I don't. Yeah.

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.680
<v Sam>And so, so like I, I pretty much dismissed the cough and wasn't paying attention

00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:59.640
<v Sam>to it, but I wasn't dismissing the fever because I felt like crap all of a sudden,

00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:03.740
<v Sam>like within the space of two hours, I went from feeling fine to feeling like

00:42:03.740 --> 00:42:06.200
<v Sam>I wanted, really, really wanted to lie down.

00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Sam>Anyway, I got the new fever thermometer. I took my temperature 102 right away.

00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:17.420
<v Sam>Like, I think the first time I took it, it was 101.9 or something,

00:42:17.540 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Sam>but then I took it again, like five minutes later and it was 102.2.

00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:25.220
<v Sam>And so I'm like, crap. Then I took the COVID test.

00:42:25.900 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Sam>And I will mention at this point in the story, and I will come back to this later.

00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:35.640
<v Sam>Like, it wasn't, like, when I went to the store, they had a whole bunch of COVID tests on the shelf.

00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:40.020
<v Sam>But none of them were the brand that I usually used at home.

00:42:40.870 --> 00:42:43.550
<v Sam>So I was like, oh, what the hell? They're all different ones.

00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:44.830
<v Sam>I'll just get the cheapest one.

00:42:45.230 --> 00:42:48.990
<v Sam>And I got the cheapest one, which was like the Walgreens store brand or whatever.

00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:54.350
<v Sam>And so when I took the test, it was a little bit different.

00:42:54.610 --> 00:43:01.950
<v Sam>The ones that the government was sending out and stuff had a little cartridge, and you get the liquid,

00:43:01.970 --> 00:43:07.410
<v Sam>and you dip your swab in the liquid, and then you put three drops in the little

00:43:07.410 --> 00:43:09.710
<v Sam>hole, and then it comes out and whatever.

00:43:09.710 --> 00:43:15.330
<v Sam>and it has a nice little area that shows you your results and it's all clearly labeled and stuff.

00:43:15.770 --> 00:43:20.630
<v Sam>This one had the look, you know, you put the swab into the liquid,

00:43:20.630 --> 00:43:25.030
<v Sam>but then it just had a test strip that you just drop in the liquid. Okay.

00:43:25.810 --> 00:43:32.670
<v Sam>And the instructions on the box, I'm showing the camera for those of you who are watching video.

00:43:33.150 --> 00:43:39.270
<v Sam>This is the box of the test. The very last step is read your results and it's

00:43:39.270 --> 00:43:42.970
<v Sam>got a little thing and it's got an arrow pointing at a line. So I'm like, okay.

00:43:43.350 --> 00:43:46.850
<v Sam>So it's not like the other ones. It's just if the blue line shows up, you're positive.

00:43:47.670 --> 00:43:51.610
<v Sam>So great. The blue line showed up. I'm like, so I'm positive.

00:43:52.950 --> 00:43:58.790
<v Sam>So I then immediately, like I finished the meeting I had with the guy.

00:43:58.990 --> 00:44:02.470
<v Sam>Then I immediately went about like, you know, telling the people at work,

00:44:02.590 --> 00:44:06.550
<v Sam>you know, hey, I got COVID. I'm going home.

00:44:07.370 --> 00:44:11.730
<v Sam>you know i i sort of gave a last couple pieces of information of something i

00:44:11.730 --> 00:44:18.050
<v Sam>was active actively working on and i tried to remember everybody who i'd seen

00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:22.190
<v Sam>in person the previous day and all that kind of stuff to let them know hey maybe

00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:24.510
<v Sam>you should get tested all that kind of stuff i'm going home,

00:44:25.290 --> 00:44:28.170
<v Sam>i went home i did one more

00:44:28.170 --> 00:44:31.470
<v Sam>little thing for work and got yelled at by one of my co-workers for

00:44:31.470 --> 00:44:34.610
<v Sam>like why the hell are you working go lie down or whatever right i'm

00:44:34.610 --> 00:44:37.530
<v Sam>like don't don't worry i'm about to i just

00:44:37.530 --> 00:44:41.490
<v Sam>wanted to get that one last thing out because it was on my mind and

00:44:41.490 --> 00:44:47.730
<v Sam>then i i you know i was at the point like by the time i got home i was like

00:44:47.730 --> 00:44:52.250
<v Sam>i'm glad i didn't live any further from home and it wasn't rush hour when i

00:44:52.250 --> 00:44:57.110
<v Sam>was going home because like i did not want to be driving even that like half

00:44:57.110 --> 00:45:00.230
<v Sam>hour let alone the hour and a half it sometimes is at rush hour right,

00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:06.130
<v Sam>And so, you know, after that one email, I lay down, I went to sleep.

00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:10.420
<v Sam>Basically, I was out for 16 hours.

00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Ivan>Jesus.

00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:18.780
<v Sam>Okay. Now, it wasn't actually 16 hours. I was basically, I was in bed for almost all of the 16 hours.

00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Sam>I woke up a few times. I went to

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Sam>the bathroom, but like just going to the bathroom and stuff, I was dizzy.

00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:30.000
<v Sam>I was like, by the time I got back to the bed from the bathroom,

00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.540
<v Sam>I was like wiped out just by the effort of like getting up, going to the bathroom and coming back.

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:41.540
<v Sam>And so I basically went back each time, like a couple of times I was like,

00:45:41.660 --> 00:45:44.160
<v Sam>let me try to like do something a little bit more.

00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:49.500
<v Sam>Let me, I'm going to read or I'm going to do the, no, none of the times did it work at all.

00:45:50.160 --> 00:45:53.300
<v Sam>Basically every time I gave up and went back to sleep.

00:45:53.740 --> 00:45:59.060
<v Sam>And so the majority, not even the majority, almost all of that 16 hours,

00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:01.660
<v Sam>I was asleep, maybe two to three hours of it.

00:46:01.660 --> 00:46:08.340
<v Sam>I was in bed, but not asleep, but basically 16 hours in bed when that was finally

00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:12.380
<v Sam>over that, that was from like early Tuesday afternoon to Wednesday morning.

00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:15.640
<v Sam>When I finally woke up Wednesday morning though, the fever was gone.

00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:16.820
<v Ivan>Well, there you go.

00:46:17.120 --> 00:46:21.240
<v Sam>And I was feeling better, better already. Now I was not feeling a hundred percent,

00:46:21.380 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Sam>but I was already feeling a lot better.

00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.500
<v Sam>And I was like, huh, this is interesting.

00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:31.100
<v Sam>Wednesday though. I was like, I'm not, I'm not even opening anything work related.

00:46:31.100 --> 00:46:38.500
<v Sam>I'm just doing my own stuff I took it easy I you know I brought my laptop to

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:43.160
<v Sam>bed and I did a handful of things on my laptop at bed but I basically stayed

00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:44.640
<v Sam>isolated from the family and

00:46:44.640 --> 00:46:50.220
<v Sam>relaxed for Wednesday but by the end of Wednesday I was sort of like okay.

00:46:51.220 --> 00:46:56.460
<v Sam>It's kind of clear that this is getting better fast like every hour felt better

00:46:56.460 --> 00:47:02.260
<v Sam>than the hour before so I was like Thursday, I'll work from home a little,

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.340
<v Sam>you know, a partial day. Friday, I'll work from home completely.

00:47:06.040 --> 00:47:13.120
<v Sam>As it is Thursday, I, I got up, I did my own stuff. I was sort of still, still no fever.

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Sam>Like Wednesday, I had no fever. Thursday, I had no fever, but I still felt kind of icky.

00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:23.620
<v Sam>But like Thursday, I actually got to my desk in my office at work and I did

00:47:23.620 --> 00:47:27.100
<v Sam>a bunch of stuff at my desk and I ate a little bit more.

00:47:27.660 --> 00:47:31.660
<v Sam>And, you know, I think one time Alex wanted some food. So I,

00:47:31.740 --> 00:47:34.680
<v Sam>I went to like a McDonald's drive-thru forum or something.

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.940
<v Sam>I wore the mask so that I wouldn't infect anybody at the McDonald's,

00:47:38.020 --> 00:47:41.420
<v Sam>but you know, so I was a little bit more active Thursday.

00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:46.540
<v Sam>And theoretically I thought I'd do my own things Thursday morning and then work Thursday afternoon.

00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.180
<v Sam>In actuality, I didn't log into work till like three 34 o'clock.

00:47:50.300 --> 00:47:54.180
<v Sam>And I just checked in on, I just checked in and said, hey, I'm feeling better.

00:47:54.380 --> 00:47:58.460
<v Sam>I'll be working from home tomorrow, and I'll be in the office Monday. And then...

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Sam>Right around the time that I was going to message them that on Thursday,

00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:09.980
<v Sam>I'm like, you know, and by the way, oh, I forgot to mention the weekend before all this happened.

00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:15.140
<v Sam>My dad was in town. My stepmom was in town. My aunt was in town.

00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.460
<v Sam>And we all had dinner together.

00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:21.680
<v Sam>Oh, nice. With my mom as well. So, like.

00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Ivan>Did any of them get sick?

00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:29.080
<v Sam>So, wait. Let me just say. So we all, I think, I don't think any one of those

00:48:29.080 --> 00:48:30.940
<v Sam>people was under 80. Okay.

00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:38.200
<v Sam>Like, no, wait, maybe my aunt, I'm not sure how old she is. She's younger than

00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Sam>my dad. My dad is the oldest sibling.

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:46.120
<v Sam>So she might be, but you know, so anyway, so 70s and 80s, you know,

00:48:46.220 --> 00:48:48.380
<v Sam>and so I'm all like worried about this.

00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:50.680
<v Sam>I've, I've notified everybody I was in contact with, you know,

00:48:50.740 --> 00:48:54.040
<v Sam>be careful, take precautions. You might want to take a COVID test,

00:48:54.220 --> 00:48:55.080
<v Sam>all of that kind of stuff.

00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:57.580
<v Sam>They all said they were feeling fine so far.

00:48:58.140 --> 00:49:02.860
<v Sam>But anyway, when I was letting work, I know I'd be back because I had told myself

00:49:02.860 --> 00:49:06.600
<v Sam>I wouldn't, I would start working from home, but I wouldn't go back into the

00:49:06.600 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Sam>office till I actually had a negative COVID test.

00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.500
<v Sam>And so then, so I took another COVID test on Thursday afternoon,

00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:18.380
<v Sam>but this time I used one of the ones I had at home.

00:49:18.740 --> 00:49:20.520
<v Sam>That was the brand I'm familiar with.

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Ivan>Uh-huh.

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Sam>And? Negative completely.

00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:23.860
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:49:24.060 --> 00:49:29.200
<v Sam>And which immediately struck me as odd because the other times I've had COVID

00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:34.720
<v Sam>or known other people to have COVID, it's even after they stop having symptoms,

00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:38.540
<v Sam>it takes a while for the rapid COVID tests to actually show a negative result.

00:49:38.680 --> 00:49:38.860
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Sam>Okay. Not like two days later. So I'm like, wait a second.

00:49:44.080 --> 00:49:45.980
<v Ivan>How long did you have COVID for then?

00:49:46.460 --> 00:49:51.260
<v Sam>Well, here's the thing. Or the test. Did you not read the jargon?

00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:55.860
<v Sam>Yeah, the directions on the box of the COVID test.

00:49:55.980 --> 00:50:00.620
<v Sam>We just have a little diagram that says wait for results with a little arrow pointing at a blue line.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:07.660
<v Sam>I had not opened the actual detailed instructions for the test,

00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.180
<v Sam>which I am now waving around.

00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:17.540
<v Sam>which showed that actually on this particular model, there is in fact both a

00:50:17.540 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Sam>control and treatment line, just like the fancier tests I'd used in the past.

00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:28.700
<v Sam>The box says nothing about that, but the detailed instructions say that for

00:50:28.700 --> 00:50:36.660
<v Sam>this particular COVID test, there is a second line that is pink that shows up if you're positive.

00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:39.260
<v Sam>So I was never COVID positive to begin with.

00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:41.660
<v Sam>So whatever I had was not COVID.

00:50:41.660 --> 00:50:43.740
<v Ivan>Okay, so you were sick, but it wasn't COVID.

00:50:44.140 --> 00:50:44.620
<v Sam>Yes.

00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:46.660
<v Ivan>Maybe in the flu. I mean.

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.720
<v Sam>You had something a couple weeks ago. I did not have the digestive stuff you had.

00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:57.600
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I had a cold virus, you know, thing. The digestive stuff happened

00:50:57.600 --> 00:50:59.380
<v Ivan>to be coincidental. That was not.

00:50:59.620 --> 00:51:05.420
<v Sam>Oh, and I got the Paxlovid prescription and everything. Like, I started on Paxlovid.

00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Sam>I have now stopped because it turns out it wasn't COVID.

00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:14.240
<v Ivan>But okay so you had some other virus obviously i mean you i feel dumb.

00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:18.640
<v Sam>Because i sort of notified everybody i had covid but even if i didn't have covid

00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:21.300
<v Sam>i obviously had something they could have caught the.

00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:24.240
<v Ivan>Something listen listen you what what you

00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:29.200
<v Ivan>have the one thing is even if it wasn't covid what you had was bad i mean you

00:51:29.200 --> 00:51:34.040
<v Ivan>had 102 fever that's not that's not a low fee that's not a little fever okay

00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:40.100
<v Ivan>right so you know okay so it wasn't covet but obviously you did come down with

00:51:40.100 --> 00:51:43.380
<v Ivan>something something you know.

00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:48.740
<v Sam>I don't know maybe maybe i was infected with something not contagious maybe

00:51:48.740 --> 00:51:53.100
<v Sam>i like maybe i stepped on a nail and have typhus or no not typhus.

00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:54.220
<v Ivan>Tetanus tetanus or.

00:51:54.220 --> 00:51:56.460
<v Sam>Something maybe i have rabies,

00:51:57.410 --> 00:52:01.450
<v Sam>I did not pick up the bat like my mom did, but, you know, I don't know.

00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:04.150
<v Sam>Maybe something bit me while I was asleep.

00:52:04.950 --> 00:52:06.910
<v Ivan>Maybe it's related to the car. Who knows?

00:52:07.650 --> 00:52:12.990
<v Sam>Yeah, I don't know. Maybe something internal broke and it'll become more obvious

00:52:12.990 --> 00:52:14.070
<v Sam>again later. I don't know.

00:52:14.430 --> 00:52:18.930
<v Sam>Anyway, but yeah, I mean, but also, mercifully, it was really short.

00:52:19.250 --> 00:52:24.670
<v Sam>I mean, like, I have a little bit of a sore throat still. I have a little bit of a cough.

00:52:24.870 --> 00:52:32.870
<v Sam>My head felt stuffy for a couple days. But the fever only lasted like 20 hours. It was less than a day.

00:52:33.910 --> 00:52:39.430
<v Ivan>Well, it was, whatever it was, it was bad. Because, I mean, you spent 16 hours

00:52:39.430 --> 00:52:41.410
<v Ivan>sleeping straight. That's bad.

00:52:41.870 --> 00:52:44.470
<v Ivan>You must have been feeling really bad.

00:52:45.010 --> 00:52:47.070
<v Ivan>So, okay, but you're feeling better?

00:52:47.510 --> 00:52:49.770
<v Sam>I'm feeling better. Like I said, I still have it.

00:52:49.770 --> 00:52:52.550
<v Ivan>Nobody else got sick.

00:52:52.830 --> 00:52:55.930
<v Sam>At least nobody who's reported it back to me yet.

00:52:55.930 --> 00:52:57.410
<v Ivan>And so this is good news.

00:52:57.970 --> 00:53:01.230
<v Sam>Yeah. So it's good news. I mean, I still have a scratchy throat.

00:53:01.690 --> 00:53:04.890
<v Sam>My voice may sound a little bit weird. I don't know. I don't know if you noticed,

00:53:04.970 --> 00:53:07.730
<v Sam>but I feel like my voice is a little weird right now.

00:53:07.890 --> 00:53:10.070
<v Sam>But, you know, but I'm basically feeling better.

00:53:10.330 --> 00:53:13.350
<v Sam>I still have a stuffy head. But also, you know, part of that,

00:53:13.690 --> 00:53:20.030
<v Sam>like because I was sick and not quite myself, I forgot to take my regular allergy meds, too.

00:53:20.570 --> 00:53:21.670
<v Ivan>Well, that doesn't help.

00:53:22.210 --> 00:53:26.010
<v Sam>You know, so I need to go and take them and, you know. But anyway. Okay.

00:53:26.450 --> 00:53:30.430
<v Sam>Well, that's that. We, we've now spent a whole hour on me again.

00:53:31.430 --> 00:53:35.290
<v Ivan>Let's just i'm not gonna talk about anything let's just take a break.

00:53:35.290 --> 00:53:40.170
<v Sam>And then we'll talk news we'll we'll take a break and then we'll talk news uh

00:53:40.170 --> 00:53:47.390
<v Sam>okay back after this the randomly chosen break this time is this one that originally

00:53:47.390 --> 00:53:50.870
<v Sam>debuted in 2021 here it is.

00:53:50.870 --> 00:53:54.770
<v Break>You're supposed to say do do do do

00:53:54.770 --> 00:53:59.850
<v Break>do alex emzela alex

00:53:59.850 --> 00:54:03.490
<v Break>emzela is awesome its videos are fun and

00:54:03.490 --> 00:54:06.990
<v Break>today once again we have one

00:54:06.990 --> 00:54:09.750
<v Break>of our most loyal subscribers here to tell you

00:54:09.750 --> 00:54:12.650
<v Break>how awesome alex emzela is i'd say

00:54:12.650 --> 00:54:15.910
<v Break>on a rate from one to ten alex emzela is awesome

00:54:15.910 --> 00:54:19.510
<v Break>at i don't know 37 82

00:54:19.510 --> 00:54:22.550
<v Break>he's pretty radical his videos

00:54:22.550 --> 00:54:26.030
<v Break>are phenomenal they're full of creativity and

00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:28.850
<v Break>they're so funny and exciting to

00:54:28.850 --> 00:54:31.930
<v Break>watch wow what happened to your voice then

00:54:31.930 --> 00:54:39.330
<v Break>amy was that dad pretending to be you because the audio was distorted when it

00:54:39.330 --> 00:54:50.210
<v Break>really wasn't because i told him to yes good job on remembering dad do do do okay.

00:54:50.210 --> 00:54:51.110
<v Ivan>We

00:54:51.110 --> 00:54:58.390
<v Sam>Are we are back back back back back back back back back back okay i i i dominated.

00:54:58.390 --> 00:55:00.490
<v Ivan>That first segment so you.

00:55:00.490 --> 00:55:02.130
<v Sam>You you get to pick here.

00:55:02.130 --> 00:55:07.010
<v Ivan>Okay so let's talk about hold on um do.

00:55:07.010 --> 00:55:11.850
<v Sam>Leave inappropriate inappropriate interference.

00:55:11.850 --> 00:55:16.750
<v Ivan>Uh you're something i've been staring at as recording the podcast and not looking

00:55:16.750 --> 00:55:19.810
<v Ivan>very happy for quite a while what he's at the beginning of the show but anyway.

00:55:20.890 --> 00:55:24.570
<v Sam>Oh, also, I should mention, while we were talking about the car,

00:55:24.790 --> 00:55:30.010
<v Sam>my daughter came in gesticulating wildly about it.

00:55:30.330 --> 00:55:36.410
<v Sam>And I actually, like, muted my microphone while Yvonne was talking so I could

00:55:36.410 --> 00:55:37.830
<v Sam>hear her for a little bit.

00:55:38.130 --> 00:55:40.310
<v Sam>Now, Yvonne was still talking.

00:55:40.850 --> 00:55:45.710
<v Sam>As it turned out, she started to say, you were talking about the car and blah,

00:55:45.770 --> 00:55:47.650
<v Sam>blah, blah. I just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:55:48.330 --> 00:55:51.150
<v Sam>And I don't even remember everything she said when she walked in.

00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:55.930
<v Sam>But I should, if I'd known that she was going to talk about that,

00:55:56.150 --> 00:56:00.370
<v Sam>I should have just left the mic on and let her tell her side of the story. Good point.

00:56:00.730 --> 00:56:05.130
<v Sam>But I didn't, and then she left. You know, she is preparing to leave,

00:56:05.170 --> 00:56:08.810
<v Sam>so I thought she was actually going to tell me that she was ready to drive away

00:56:08.810 --> 00:56:11.130
<v Sam>on her road trip to Pennsylvania.

00:56:12.390 --> 00:56:18.310
<v Sam>but no she was just like I guess excited and interested that we were talking

00:56:18.310 --> 00:56:23.450
<v Sam>about the instant where she hit my car and was maybe perhaps a little nervous

00:56:23.450 --> 00:56:25.990
<v Sam>about what I would say I hope I was fair to her.

00:56:25.990 --> 00:56:31.090
<v Ivan>You were fair you were very fair you were very fair I think,

00:56:33.230 --> 00:56:33.750
<v Ivan>so

00:56:33.750 --> 00:56:35.010
<v Sam>Anyway I dominated.

00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:37.470
<v Ivan>The first half the rest is.

00:56:37.470 --> 00:56:38.750
<v Sam>All you let.

00:56:38.750 --> 00:56:46.770
<v Ivan>Me ask you a question what you shared earlier this week the these um quotes

00:56:46.770 --> 00:56:53.530
<v Ivan>from the hunter biden interview oh yes yes now i did not watch the full interview

00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:55.970
<v Ivan>but i've watched a whole bunch of clips i.

00:56:55.970 --> 00:56:57.870
<v Sam>I also have only seen clips.

00:56:57.870 --> 00:57:00.650
<v Ivan>Okay damn it so neither of us have

00:57:00.650 --> 00:57:03.550
<v Ivan>seen the whole interview but i will say

00:57:03.550 --> 00:57:09.950
<v Ivan>that from the clips that i watched hunter biden sounds basically if you if you

00:57:09.950 --> 00:57:17.470
<v Ivan>had sat me in that chair and asked me about joe biden he basically sounded almost

00:57:17.470 --> 00:57:23.190
<v Ivan>exactly like me if you would take if i if i read his words,

00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:31.680
<v Ivan>If I took the transcript of what I heard of him saying and I read it in my voice,

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.220
<v Ivan>you would believe I authored that stuff.

00:57:34.220 --> 00:57:38.080
<v Sam>Okay, wait a second. We have to, at this point, insert,

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:43.480
<v Sam>like, we're going to play the clip, the first clip I shared of Hunter Biden,

00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Sam>because I think everybody here will instantly agree with what Yvonne just said.

00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Sam>And enjoy this clip from Hunter Biden. I just have to find it real quick.

00:57:59.060 --> 00:58:03.480
<v Sam>Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. It's a couple days ago now. Here we go.

00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.500
<v Sam>okay here it is we will

00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:20.160
<v Sam>go play this video in full again

00:58:20.160 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Sam>this is not the entire podcast he was on wait wait we need this is one minute

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:33.640
<v Sam>and this is just under two minutes of of hunter biden out of what I think was

00:58:33.640 --> 00:58:37.100
<v Sam>like a one-hour podcast or something. I've seen a whole bunch of different clips of it.

00:58:38.060 --> 00:58:41.780
<v Sam>You've got this clip. You've got another clip where he's actually going on at

00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:46.180
<v Sam>length between the difference between regular cocaine and crack cocaine and

00:58:46.180 --> 00:58:50.140
<v Sam>how they feel different and how you make them different and all kinds of stuff like that.

00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.140
<v Sam>So he talks about that stuff too. Like this guy has a history.

00:58:54.320 --> 00:59:00.780
<v Sam>But anyway, here we go. This is the first clip I saw, and a lot of them have this feeling.

00:59:01.430 --> 00:59:05.250
<v Hunter Biden>We sit here and we talk about the one guy, the one guy, because there's a clear

00:59:05.250 --> 00:59:06.950
<v Hunter Biden>legal path to being able to get him back.

00:59:07.090 --> 00:59:09.810
<v Hunter Biden>What about all those other people? Am I not supposed to feel for someone?

00:59:09.970 --> 00:59:14.130
<v Hunter Biden>Am I going to be like all these Democrats say, you have to talk about and realize

00:59:14.130 --> 00:59:16.870
<v Hunter Biden>that people are really upset about illegal immigration.

00:59:17.350 --> 00:59:21.030
<v Hunter Biden>Fuck you. How do you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How do you think you

00:59:21.030 --> 00:59:24.830
<v Hunter Biden>got food on your fucking table? Who do you think washes your dishes?

00:59:25.150 --> 00:59:30.130
<v Hunter Biden>Who do you think does your fucking garden? Who do you think is here by the fucking

00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:37.170
<v Hunter Biden>sheer fucking just grit and will that they figured out a way to get here because

00:59:37.170 --> 00:59:40.350
<v Hunter Biden>they thought that they could give themselves and their family a better chance?

00:59:40.490 --> 00:59:45.430
<v Hunter Biden>And he's somehow convinced all of us that these people are the fucking criminals?

00:59:45.750 --> 00:59:51.290
<v Hunter Biden>White men in America are 45 more times likely to commit a fucking violent crime

00:59:51.290 --> 00:59:54.790
<v Hunter Biden>than an immigrant. And the media says, well, you got David Axelrod and,

00:59:54.790 --> 00:59:58.910
<v Hunter Biden>you know, Rahm fucking Emanuel was so fucking smart Rahm Emanuel.

00:59:59.030 --> 01:00:02.630
<v Hunter Biden>He said, we got to understand that these people are really mad and we got to

01:00:02.630 --> 01:00:03.670
<v Hunter Biden>appeal to these white voters.

01:00:03.950 --> 01:00:05.510
<v Hunter Biden>Well, the only people that fucking

01:00:05.510 --> 01:00:09.110
<v Hunter Biden>appealed to those fucking white voters was Joe Biden, 81 years old.

01:00:09.230 --> 01:00:13.750
<v Hunter Biden>And he got 81 million votes. And he did because not because he appeased their

01:00:13.750 --> 01:00:17.310
<v Hunter Biden>fucking Trumpian sense, but because he challenged it.

01:00:17.310 --> 01:00:22.090
<v Hunter Biden>And he said, you can be an 81-year-old Catholic from fucking Scranton that doesn't

01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:25.310
<v Hunter Biden>understand it, but still has empathy for transgender people and immigrants.

01:00:25.610 --> 01:00:29.170
<v Hunter Biden>Then nobody said, oh, Joe Biden's going to turn us into a socialist state,

01:00:29.210 --> 01:00:30.550
<v Hunter Biden>no matter how much they said it.

01:00:30.630 --> 01:00:35.310
<v Hunter Biden>But these guys think that we need to run away from all values in order for us to lead.

01:00:35.550 --> 01:00:39.190
<v Hunter Biden>I say, fuck you. How are we getting those people back from fucking El Salvador?

01:00:39.430 --> 01:00:43.850
<v Hunter Biden>Because I'll tell you what, if I became president in two years from now or four

01:00:43.850 --> 01:00:47.410
<v Hunter Biden>years from now or three years from now, I would pick up the phone and call the

01:00:47.410 --> 01:00:51.570
<v Hunter Biden>fucking president of El Salvador and say, you either fucking send them back

01:00:51.570 --> 01:00:52.870
<v Hunter Biden>or I'm going to fucking invade.

01:00:53.110 --> 01:00:56.210
<v Hunter Biden>It's a fucking crime what they're doing.

01:00:57.110 --> 01:01:00.910
<v Sam>Okay. That's one clip of a whole bunch of stuff.

01:01:01.370 --> 01:01:07.050
<v Sam>It sounded a lot like that. And, you know, it generated quite a little furor

01:01:07.050 --> 01:01:09.150
<v Sam>of people saying, I mean, what

01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:13.870
<v Sam>I posted on it is like, this is the kind of fucking energy we need. Yeah.

01:01:16.570 --> 01:01:22.230
<v Ivan>Oh, by the way, I'll say one thing. One is, I will say this.

01:01:23.570 --> 01:01:24.730
<v Ivan>Hunter cares about his death.

01:01:25.550 --> 01:01:25.650
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:01:26.710 --> 01:01:32.850
<v Ivan>Okay? Hunter really cares about his death. And, you know, in trying to embarrass

01:01:32.850 --> 01:01:39.350
<v Ivan>Joe, they actually reduced some messages that he left his son,

01:01:41.950 --> 01:01:45.990
<v Ivan>where somehow it's supposed to be embarrassing because Joe is showing that he

01:01:45.990 --> 01:01:50.330
<v Ivan>loves his son, even though he knows he's got a lot of flaws that he's got.

01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:55.850
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, with applause and all, he loves them.

01:01:56.230 --> 01:01:59.850
<v Ivan>So that's the first thing that came across to me.

01:02:00.170 --> 01:02:05.230
<v Ivan>And the one thing is that, look, I'm not Joe Biden's son, but I'll tell you something.

01:02:05.890 --> 01:02:11.150
<v Ivan>To me, Joe Biden is a person that I really appreciate very much.

01:02:11.910 --> 01:02:17.470
<v Ivan>And he talked the same way that I got angry about people talking shit about him.

01:02:17.470 --> 01:02:23.290
<v Ivan>There's another clip that was also talking about, you know, ripping George Clooney

01:02:23.290 --> 01:02:27.550
<v Ivan>for the bullshit letter and all the shit that happened, like, whatever.

01:02:27.990 --> 01:02:31.490
<v Ivan>And, you know, what Hunter said is basically exactly what I said.

01:02:31.810 --> 01:02:34.550
<v Ivan>Yeah, so Joe was getting old? Uh-huh.

01:02:35.090 --> 01:02:40.950
<v Ivan>And? The fuck is your point? He's still ten times more competent than the idiot

01:02:40.950 --> 01:02:43.890
<v Ivan>that we just voted into there.

01:02:44.230 --> 01:02:46.170
<v Ivan>That also has got anything to do with anything.

01:02:46.170 --> 01:02:51.150
<v Sam>He also talked as well about how much he loved Kamala, how good a job she did,

01:02:51.290 --> 01:02:57.190
<v Sam>and how she's like a member of the family, and they have all due respect for

01:02:57.190 --> 01:03:00.310
<v Sam>her, et cetera, et cetera, and that she was put in a bad position.

01:03:00.650 --> 01:03:05.410
<v Sam>And all of these people who went after Joe, I think he went after Nancy Pelosi,

01:03:05.450 --> 01:03:12.070
<v Sam>too, were like, you know, they undermined him, and then they undermined her.

01:03:12.550 --> 01:03:12.970
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:03:13.470 --> 01:03:13.950
<v Sam>You know.

01:03:14.390 --> 01:03:15.050
<v Ivan>They all did.

01:03:15.050 --> 01:03:21.230
<v Sam>And he's like, because, you know, he's like, Nancy Pelosi and those folks,

01:03:21.330 --> 01:03:22.650
<v Sam>they didn't want Kamala Harris.

01:03:23.130 --> 01:03:23.570
<v Ivan>No.

01:03:23.890 --> 01:03:26.990
<v Sam>They wanted anybody else. He's like, I don't know what they want.

01:03:27.050 --> 01:03:29.750
<v Sam>They want some crazy open convention bullshit.

01:03:30.010 --> 01:03:32.610
<v Sam>Right. But like, you know, they didn't want her.

01:03:33.090 --> 01:03:36.550
<v Sam>And they were not happy. And blah, blah, blah. And, you know,

01:03:37.150 --> 01:03:39.010
<v Sam>he said fuck quite a few more times.

01:03:39.890 --> 01:03:45.670
<v Ivan>And the other thing was that the one thing that he said also was that one difference

01:03:45.670 --> 01:03:49.150
<v Ivan>is the Republicans, they just, how they all fall in line to whatever the fuck.

01:03:50.110 --> 01:03:52.550
<v Ivan>And that then, but then we did

01:03:52.550 --> 01:03:57.270
<v Ivan>exactly what all these people were doing against, you know, Joe and Kamal.

01:03:57.970 --> 01:04:01.890
<v Ivan>At a moment that we desperately needed people not to be doing that.

01:04:02.910 --> 01:04:07.430
<v Sam>Yeah. And the thing is, again, just with his reaction, though,

01:04:07.530 --> 01:04:10.130
<v Sam>his raw reaction, I mean, I joked under curmudgeon's corner slack,

01:04:10.730 --> 01:04:12.850
<v Sam>AOC hunter ticket for 2028.

01:04:13.510 --> 01:04:16.510
<v Sam>And look, it was a joke. You know, hunter has lots of baggage.

01:04:16.850 --> 01:04:18.910
<v Ivan>But a lot of hunter has lots of baggage.

01:04:19.630 --> 01:04:24.310
<v Sam>A lot of baggage. However, you know, what I also said on the Slack,

01:04:24.450 --> 01:04:27.830
<v Sam>and I'm just going to read it right off the Slack since I brought that part

01:04:27.830 --> 01:04:33.370
<v Sam>of the Slack up anyway, was seriously, that kind of energy is what is needed,

01:04:33.690 --> 01:04:35.230
<v Sam>including the swearing sometimes.

01:04:35.770 --> 01:04:40.710
<v Sam>I'm getting more and more pissed off with the existing leadership and old guard folks.

01:04:40.870 --> 01:04:44.530
<v Sam>It is time for dozens of them to just get the hell out of the way.

01:04:44.530 --> 01:04:48.710
<v Sam>And no, it's not just the age, although that is part of it to be sure,

01:04:48.850 --> 01:04:53.870
<v Sam>but more than that, it's the energy and the attitude and the willingness to

01:04:53.870 --> 01:04:57.270
<v Sam>defend the right position, no matter what,

01:04:57.790 --> 01:05:02.230
<v Sam>without preemptively compromising on anything where the polls are wishy-washy.

01:05:02.450 --> 01:05:08.250
<v Sam>Have a fucking moral position and defend it and convince others you are right

01:05:08.250 --> 01:05:13.590
<v Sam>and the other side is wrong and fucking fight and be fucking angry.

01:05:13.590 --> 01:05:16.330
<v Sam>you know and this is what the

01:05:16.330 --> 01:05:19.470
<v Sam>base is hankering for this is what most democrats

01:05:19.470 --> 01:05:22.470
<v Sam>are hankering for and and the the the

01:05:22.470 --> 01:05:27.090
<v Sam>leadership is still sort of in the mode oh we're going to treat this as all

01:05:27.090 --> 01:05:32.030
<v Sam>normal politics we'll talk about the economy and we'll talk about like policy

01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:37.430
<v Sam>x and we we're still going to work with the republicans wherever we can and

01:05:37.430 --> 01:05:41.990
<v Sam>blah blah blah and that is so frustrating at this point.

01:05:42.110 --> 01:05:48.130
<v Sam>And look, I understand the motivations. And in some cases, as you know,

01:05:48.310 --> 01:05:52.630
<v Sam>maybe at the local level, maybe at the state level, in some cases that makes sense.

01:05:53.170 --> 01:05:58.470
<v Sam>You know, because not all of the locals things are as screwed up,

01:05:58.590 --> 01:06:02.650
<v Sam>but certainly at the national level no this

01:06:02.650 --> 01:06:12.550
<v Sam>is not your the world of politics from 50 years ago where you know the example

01:06:12.550 --> 01:06:17.270
<v Sam>people always bring up is ronald reagan and tip o'neill fight like hell and

01:06:17.270 --> 01:06:21.410
<v Sam>then go have drinks together right that is gone that's.

01:06:21.410 --> 01:06:22.230
<v Ivan>Gone that's gone.

01:06:22.230 --> 01:06:25.250
<v Sam>And and and the where where you like

01:06:25.250 --> 01:06:28.630
<v Sam>find all of these things you can work together on and blah, blah, blah.

01:06:28.890 --> 01:06:37.690
<v Sam>No, the Republican side went scorched earth starting when Obama won.

01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:42.120
<v Sam>I mean, they were already heading in that direction with Newt Gingrich and the

01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:45.320
<v Sam>Clinton administration, but they went all in when Obama won.

01:06:48.040 --> 01:06:53.160
<v Sam>And you can't react to this by doing everything with,

01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:57.160
<v Sam>oh, well, we're going to be the grownups and we're going to follow the rules

01:06:57.160 --> 01:07:01.900
<v Sam>and we're going to do everything in the polite and civil way and we're going

01:07:01.900 --> 01:07:04.700
<v Sam>to go and we're going to shake their hands and blah, blah, blah.

01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:11.780
<v Sam>No, I'm sorry. The time for that is done. The time for that may come again at some point,

01:07:11.900 --> 01:07:17.960
<v Sam>but not while we have this Donald Trump-dominated Republican Party that has

01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.520
<v Sam>clearly got a massive authoritarian bent,

01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:27.180
<v Sam>is trying to take on all sorts of additional powers, has a Supreme Court behind them.

01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:33.320
<v Sam>So Supreme Court, Congress, the presidency, all moving in the direction of consolidating

01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:39.280
<v Sam>power and doing what I consider anyway to be damaged everywhere they go.

01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:46.000
<v Sam>This is not the time for that kind of like polite reconciliation and stuff.

01:07:46.300 --> 01:07:50.940
<v Sam>No, this is the time to realize it's a life and death battle and treat it like that.

01:07:51.420 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Sam>And at the very least, be showing that anger. And I realize some of it is performative only.

01:07:58.040 --> 01:08:01.620
<v Sam>And it's like, well, what good will being angry do? Well, you know,

01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:06.740
<v Sam>look, when you're in a situation where you don't have any of the levers of power,

01:08:07.040 --> 01:08:09.000
<v Sam>it's the demonstrative,

01:08:09.520 --> 01:08:14.740
<v Sam>performative stuff that gives people an idea of your character and what you

01:08:14.740 --> 01:08:16.480
<v Sam>want and what's important to you.

01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:21.260
<v Sam>And so if you just go along with like, well, you know, we're just going to lay

01:08:21.260 --> 01:08:24.260
<v Sam>back, let them hurt themselves until it's our turn again.

01:08:24.740 --> 01:08:27.420
<v Sam>If you act like that, you're not going to get another turn.

01:08:28.120 --> 01:08:32.680
<v Ivan>No, I know And the one thing is that they haven't even learned From the fact

01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:38.340
<v Ivan>that if you Go to what the Republicans did When they were not in power That got them back to power,

01:08:39.460 --> 01:08:45.740
<v Ivan>It's block everything Exactly You don't work with They didn't work with Obama

01:08:45.740 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Ivan>They tried to block Every single thing He tried to do Including all the way up to Even when he was.

01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:02.460
<v Sam>Explicitly enacting policies that had been recommended by the Republicans a couple years.

01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:05.780
<v Ivan>Earlier. Right. They would go and vote against them right afterwards.

01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:11.420
<v Sam>I mean, remember, Obamacare was based on Romneycare from Massachusetts.

01:09:11.740 --> 01:09:13.100
<v Sam>It was a Republican plan.

01:09:13.900 --> 01:09:14.060
<v Ivan>Right.

01:09:14.940 --> 01:09:17.700
<v Sam>Anyway. Yeah, so like,

01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:24.180
<v Sam>Seeing the Hunter Biden interview clips was honestly just refreshing.

01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:30.820
<v Sam>It's like, my God, like somebody who's willing to actually like say things and

01:09:30.820 --> 01:09:35.960
<v Sam>not be like parsing their words super carefully and blah, blah, blah.

01:09:36.440 --> 01:09:40.380
<v Sam>And look, he's not the only one. We've said good things about AOC before.

01:09:40.580 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Sam>We've said good things about Governor Walz before. There are a handful of others.

01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:49.660
<v Sam>You know, even what's his name from California is doing better than he was before

01:09:49.660 --> 01:09:52.260
<v Sam>on some of those things, although I still don't like him.

01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.720
<v Sam>But, you know, but the people,

01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.540
<v Sam>I don't know, this whole establishment guard that's still remnants of Clinton

01:10:01.540 --> 01:10:09.300
<v Sam>and Obama and Biden are just stuck in these old ways. And it's really frustrating.

01:10:09.300 --> 01:10:12.060
<v Ivan>Yeah i know um well one

01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:17.300
<v Ivan>other guy that has been doing that who flipped who flipped the script on this

01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:24.660
<v Ivan>is also gotta remember news i said the guy in california wow okay i heard okay

01:10:24.660 --> 01:10:29.740
<v Ivan>i heard it differently okay but all right so you said uh what's his name wall so i didn't hear okay i.

01:10:29.740 --> 01:10:30.900
<v Sam>I mentioned walls and.

01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:31.380
<v Ivan>Then i mentioned.

01:10:31.380 --> 01:10:33.300
<v Sam>The guy in california whose name i can't remember.

01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:36.580
<v Ivan>Who is He's doing better than he was before. Okay.

01:10:36.780 --> 01:10:44.060
<v Ivan>I couldn't remember his name. Okay, Newsome. Newsome.

01:10:44.300 --> 01:10:44.540
<v Sam>Newsome.

01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:48.760
<v Ivan>I'm bringing it in. All right. So anything else on that? Okay.

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:51.220
<v Ivan>All right. I picked that one. Now it's your turn.

01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Sam>No, no, no, no. I did the whole first hour. The whole second hour is yours.

01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.420
<v Sam>It's all you for the rest of the show.

01:10:58.660 --> 01:11:02.740
<v Ivan>All right. So let's talk about now. What about... Okay. Hey,

01:11:03.220 --> 01:11:06.280
<v Ivan>Trump visited the Fed. Did you see these clips?

01:11:07.180 --> 01:11:11.840
<v Sam>Yes, I have seen a few clips. Well, I've seen mainly the one clip of him and

01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:17.320
<v Sam>Powell going back and forth and Powell correcting him on when a certain building

01:11:17.320 --> 01:11:19.660
<v Sam>was built and all that. That's what you're talking about, right?

01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.980
<v Ivan>Well, that was one. I mean, it was just the whole thing. And actually,

01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.820
<v Ivan>I did share a story about what's happened since he went over there.

01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:32.320
<v Ivan>Because he went over there basically on this whole thing about inspecting the

01:11:32.320 --> 01:11:35.360
<v Ivan>construction, blah, blah, blah, and the project and whatever,

01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:40.260
<v Ivan>because they're saying it's just a scam, blah, blah, blah, because it's costing,

01:11:40.420 --> 01:11:41.600
<v Ivan>I mean, it's an expensive project.

01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.960
<v Ivan>It's costing two and a half billion dollars. It is well over budget,

01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:48.640
<v Ivan>you know, the construction. But this stupid building is so old.

01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.620
<v Ivan>It's 100 years old. It's a pain in my ass.

01:11:52.860 --> 01:11:56.320
<v Ivan>You know, his money isn't even coming out of the federal budget because his

01:11:56.320 --> 01:11:59.900
<v Ivan>money's coming out of the, you know, the money that the Federal Reserve makes.

01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Ivan>Period. Okay, yeah. We'll do this. So his money isn't even coming out of that.

01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:10.220
<v Ivan>But the one thing that I saw was that apparently after the whole thing,

01:12:10.460 --> 01:12:15.120
<v Ivan>all of a sudden, for whatever reason, I'm not sure what Powell said to him,

01:12:15.120 --> 01:12:19.820
<v Ivan>But all of a sudden, he started saying all these flattering things about Powell.

01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:28.480
<v Ivan>And it appears that what I read was that Powell went and started giving him

01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:30.020
<v Ivan>compliments about the economy.

01:12:30.540 --> 01:12:34.900
<v Ivan>Okay? And the thing is about Trump, we've seen historically,

01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.480
<v Ivan>flattery gets you everywhere with it.

01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:38.440
<v Sam>Everywhere.

01:12:39.440 --> 01:12:44.360
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, you just flatter him. And so, so apparently Powell,

01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:48.660
<v Ivan>instead of being, he did correct them on the shit that he was reading wrong.

01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:52.840
<v Ivan>The one, the one stat that he said is because, I mean, Trump even had apparently

01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.800
<v Ivan>a sheet of paper that he pulled out in the middle of the conversation.

01:12:56.060 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Ivan>We're talking about how much the refurbished cost that he's saying is 3.1 billion.

01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:05.880
<v Ivan>Powell's like saying, no, it's not that. And he was including costs of construction

01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:09.360
<v Ivan>of another building that I completed years ago. Okay. All right.

01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:10.260
<v Ivan>That was like $600 billion.

01:13:10.260 --> 01:13:11.740
<v Sam>During Trump's first term. in infinity.

01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.680
<v Ivan>Right, exactly. So it's like, no,

01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Ivan>that's not in you. But then apparently he started just lobbing some compliments

01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:27.900
<v Ivan>at him or whatever, and then all of a sudden he's been talking good about Powell

01:13:27.900 --> 01:13:30.300
<v Ivan>all of a sudden after the fucking visit.

01:13:30.740 --> 01:13:33.920
<v Ivan>He started saying nice things about him. So,

01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:42.500
<v Ivan>I don't know. And he said, no, and I think, look, The Federal Reserve has said

01:13:42.500 --> 01:13:46.800
<v Ivan>that once, you know, it becomes clear what the hell is going on,

01:13:47.080 --> 01:13:50.060
<v Ivan>that they planned on cutting rates at some point.

01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:57.240
<v Ivan>But look, the tariff, it's all, it's really dependent on these fucking tariffs.

01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:04.280
<v Ivan>This is the main driver that's causing any, you know, hell, the Fed probably

01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:08.100
<v Ivan>would have cut rates already if it wasn't for the damn tariffs.

01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:14.820
<v Ivan>That's just the reality. But the tariffs threw so much uncertainty into this.

01:14:15.060 --> 01:14:23.000
<v Ivan>And by the way, data is starting to show how this inflation is just seeping into places. Okay.

01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:29.640
<v Ivan>Well, GM went and said, yeah, because that's the way it is.

01:14:29.780 --> 01:14:33.600
<v Ivan>GM basically said the last quarter, tariffs cost $1.1 billion.

01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:40.660
<v Ivan>Stellantis, which, you know, owns Chrysler. They said it cost them $2 billion Okay,

01:14:41.870 --> 01:14:45.330
<v Ivan>So the costs are mounting. And look, what?

01:14:45.510 --> 01:14:48.270
<v Ivan>Does everybody think that the companies are going to become all of a sudden

01:14:48.270 --> 01:14:50.770
<v Ivan>benevolent and, like, going to suck up all these losses?

01:14:51.090 --> 01:14:54.250
<v Ivan>What do you think? You think they're not going to pass on these costs?

01:14:54.690 --> 01:14:59.170
<v Ivan>I kept seeing this week also all these clips that people are sharing on TikTok

01:14:59.170 --> 01:15:02.870
<v Ivan>and something, whatever, talking about how grocery prices are sore,

01:15:03.070 --> 01:15:08.250
<v Ivan>how people are getting really hammered with grocery prices and talking about

01:15:08.250 --> 01:15:09.830
<v Ivan>any supermarket, Walmart,

01:15:10.150 --> 01:15:15.110
<v Ivan>people bitching about, Publix in Florida, which I guess that happens a lot.

01:15:15.450 --> 01:15:20.130
<v Ivan>But they're talking about that. And that's one of the key data points that,

01:15:20.130 --> 01:15:23.270
<v Ivan>you know, Powell and the Fed have to consider.

01:15:23.790 --> 01:15:31.210
<v Ivan>I, look, I don't know. I've been hearing about a lot of people talking about grocery prices.

01:15:32.830 --> 01:15:37.770
<v Ivan>I find it hard-pressed to find data to back that up. Okay, at this point.

01:15:38.150 --> 01:15:42.610
<v Ivan>I even looked at our grocery expenses for the last, like, four years,

01:15:42.910 --> 01:15:44.770
<v Ivan>they're kind of like around the same average.

01:15:44.970 --> 01:15:47.230
<v Ivan>We do buy groceries and buy house. Okay.

01:15:47.710 --> 01:15:51.830
<v Ivan>You know, and cook, you know, the kitchen, you know, I don't know if you're

01:15:51.830 --> 01:15:52.850
<v Ivan>familiar with that process.

01:15:52.850 --> 01:15:58.370
<v Sam>But anyway, the other members of my family are, I would ditch the kitchen in a second.

01:15:58.770 --> 01:16:02.550
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So just to try to clarify how that works anyway,

01:16:02.710 --> 01:16:09.610
<v Ivan>you know, because I went and But I'm like, but listen, there are a lot of things

01:16:09.610 --> 01:16:11.870
<v Ivan>that are showing pricing pressure.

01:16:12.250 --> 01:16:15.370
<v Ivan>Parts costs, automakers are showing it.

01:16:16.550 --> 01:16:22.810
<v Ivan>It's just seeping in all different places. But look, a lot of deals haven't been closed on this.

01:16:23.030 --> 01:16:29.530
<v Ivan>We still don't have, as all the announcements that he did on tariff deals this

01:16:29.530 --> 01:16:32.890
<v Ivan>week, Everybody on the other side of the table keeps saying,

01:16:33.730 --> 01:16:36.970
<v Ivan>well, we really didn't sign that or promise whatever the heck it was,

01:16:36.970 --> 01:16:40.170
<v Ivan>as more information came out on the Japan deal.

01:16:40.370 --> 01:16:45.110
<v Ivan>I don't know if you saw that the Japanese were basically almost like denying

01:16:45.110 --> 01:16:51.850
<v Ivan>half the shit that he said, as usual with every fucking announcement that he makes.

01:16:52.900 --> 01:16:58.580
<v Ivan>So, we still got, listen, we still got this clock ticking on this.

01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:05.080
<v Ivan>But, again, there are signs in a lot of different places. People are reporting this about groceries.

01:17:05.220 --> 01:17:08.460
<v Ivan>I mean, I'll minimize it. Maybe it's just not stuff I bought. Okay?

01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:12.440
<v Ivan>So, there's a lot of people complaining about grocery prices going up.

01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:19.960
<v Ivan>I mean, it may be that the kind of shopping that I do is not impacted by it.

01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:24.900
<v Ivan>but there certainly are a lot of people that are saying that maybe there are regional.

01:17:24.900 --> 01:17:26.040
<v Sam>Differences or something.

01:17:26.040 --> 01:17:30.000
<v Ivan>Going on regional differences yeah yeah i can believe that too that they're

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.960
<v Ivan>regional differences yeah because a lot of produce and a whole bunch of other

01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:40.140
<v Ivan>stuff is sourced far more locally than than than than than remotely so it could

01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:42.900
<v Ivan>be that i you know it could be the chain i,

01:17:43.620 --> 01:17:45.280
<v Ivan>buy the stuff, I don't know.

01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:54.340
<v Ivan>But there are a lot of people that are being very vocal about their grocery price costs soaring.

01:17:55.160 --> 01:18:00.340
<v Ivan>And, you know, this is the kind of shit that ate up Biden's administration.

01:18:00.780 --> 01:18:05.940
<v Sam>Yeah. People wouldn't pay attention to anything else but eggs. Eggs.

01:18:06.360 --> 01:18:06.920
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:18:07.990 --> 01:18:10.410
<v Ivan>It's just going to the supermarket and it's costing you 20, 30,

01:18:10.570 --> 01:18:15.770
<v Ivan>40% more. I mean, that really hits people hard. Very hard.

01:18:16.430 --> 01:18:24.790
<v Sam>So I'm just bringing up eggprices.org, national data, just to check eggs specifically.

01:18:25.930 --> 01:18:30.890
<v Sam>And yet we're still nowhere near where we were in like March.

01:18:31.170 --> 01:18:36.850
<v Sam>The high in the last year was at the beginning of March. End of February,

01:18:37.010 --> 01:18:42.590
<v Sam>beginning of March, it was up to $8.17 a dozen at its high.

01:18:43.010 --> 01:18:48.130
<v Sam>It had gotten down as low as $2.52 a dozen.

01:18:48.610 --> 01:18:49.070
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:18:49.530 --> 01:18:56.430
<v Sam>And even on July 4th, it was $2.56 a gallon still.

01:18:57.250 --> 01:18:59.830
<v Sam>Not a gallon. You don't buy eggs in gallons.

01:19:00.750 --> 01:19:03.010
<v Ivan>That would be interesting to buy the eggs in gallons. I mean,

01:19:03.090 --> 01:19:06.970
<v Ivan>I guess you could just crack them all open, just, you know, put a gallon of eggs.

01:19:07.310 --> 01:19:16.150
<v Sam>Just in the last few weeks, since July 4th, it's gone from 2.56 to 3.37 in the last few weeks.

01:19:16.810 --> 01:19:20.150
<v Sam>You know, it's still, like I said, nowhere near where it was in March.

01:19:20.690 --> 01:19:25.230
<v Sam>But there is an upward swing in the last few weeks, and that's just eggs, obviously.

01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:26.730
<v Ivan>Right, right, right, right.

01:19:28.010 --> 01:19:33.430
<v Sam>Well, wait, wait. they have a leader board and a lower board,

01:19:34.390 --> 01:19:40.010
<v Sam>you want to guess where in the country has the, wait, these aren't,

01:19:40.470 --> 01:19:44.450
<v Sam>yeah, those can't be current, those are the highest high prices,

01:19:44.770 --> 01:19:48.330
<v Sam>that's stupid okay, I'm not even going to bother with them, because that's like

01:19:48.330 --> 01:19:52.590
<v Sam>back in March what is the, let me just, yeah, no, no, no, it's not,

01:19:52.590 --> 01:19:56.730
<v Sam>it's not helpful damn it, okay, because it has like,

01:19:57.710 --> 01:20:01.950
<v Sam>California is the highest. Virginia is the lowest prices. No,

01:20:02.110 --> 01:20:03.990
<v Sam>South Dakota is the lowest prices of eggs.

01:20:04.470 --> 01:20:07.930
<v Sam>But these are clearly have to have been when the average was eight,

01:20:08.190 --> 01:20:10.590
<v Sam>not the current average. So whatever.

01:20:11.330 --> 01:20:14.470
<v Ivan>Okay. So two more things that I'm going to talk about after this.

01:20:14.570 --> 01:20:20.670
<v Ivan>Number one, I'm just going to briefly mention it's net approval and Epstein. Okay. All right.

01:20:20.810 --> 01:20:21.010
<v Sam>Okay.

01:20:21.510 --> 01:20:28.950
<v Ivan>All right. So I recently checked and Trump's net approval is at the lowest of his administration.

01:20:29.210 --> 01:20:34.290
<v Ivan>It had actually climbed back up a little bit, like for some reason after it

01:20:34.290 --> 01:20:37.450
<v Ivan>had like collapsed like quickly at the beginning.

01:20:37.570 --> 01:20:44.210
<v Ivan>And it climbed up a little bit. But then it's it is like taken a nosedive and

01:20:44.210 --> 01:20:48.630
<v Ivan>it's a nosedive across every area, whether it's the economy,

01:20:48.630 --> 01:20:51.930
<v Ivan>the immigration, whatever.

01:20:52.030 --> 01:20:54.870
<v Ivan>Whatever subject you've got Trump is

01:20:54.870 --> 01:20:57.710
<v Ivan>underwater Ratings wise across the

01:20:57.710 --> 01:21:00.770
<v Ivan>board There was one group that was like Really like

01:21:00.770 --> 01:21:03.870
<v Ivan>I mean That was

01:21:03.870 --> 01:21:10.530
<v Ivan>really well it caught my eye You know young people There was approval Ratings

01:21:10.530 --> 01:21:16.130
<v Ivan>like in February where it Showed like he had Like only like 22% disapproval

01:21:16.130 --> 01:21:21.330
<v Ivan>Amongst young people back In February for some reason In the latest surveys.

01:21:22.830 --> 01:21:29.870
<v Ivan>Disapproval amongst young people 70 something percent I mean it went from 22

01:21:29.870 --> 01:21:36.890
<v Ivan>percent it's up 50 points his disapproval rating amongst young people okay it's

01:21:36.890 --> 01:21:42.690
<v Ivan>just a bonkers you know swing but I'm still bonkers that,

01:21:43.910 --> 01:21:48.690
<v Ivan>in February like he was only at 22 percent disapproval I'm like what the fuck

01:21:48.690 --> 01:21:53.510
<v Ivan>are these people watching what are they how, you know, what are they,

01:21:53.630 --> 01:21:55.250
<v Ivan>what are they consuming?

01:21:55.510 --> 01:21:59.250
<v Ivan>What, you know, where are they getting their information from? Because holy shit.

01:21:59.550 --> 01:22:01.750
<v Ivan>But yeah, the swing has been hard.

01:22:01.930 --> 01:22:07.910
<v Sam>One important thing to remember is just, and I mentioned this the other week,

01:22:08.110 --> 01:22:10.350
<v Sam>when we're talking about young people,

01:22:10.890 --> 01:22:16.230
<v Sam>you got to remember that a lot of them, his first term was before they were

01:22:16.230 --> 01:22:18.030
<v Sam>old enough to be paying attention to politics.

01:22:19.160 --> 01:22:22.060
<v Ivan>Yeah, I keep forgetting that most people, unlike you and me,

01:22:22.360 --> 01:22:27.220
<v Ivan>before 18, which we were like junkies for this shit, okay, even as teenagers,

01:22:27.220 --> 01:22:31.280
<v Ivan>they have no fucking clue about what the fuck is going on. They couldn't care less.

01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:37.260
<v Ivan>And I'm sure that in the first term, they knew nothing.

01:22:38.080 --> 01:22:44.920
<v Sam>Right. And yeah, we're talking, what, subtract eight years, someone who was

01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.820
<v Sam>18 and just barely old enough to vote was 10.

01:22:48.300 --> 01:22:48.760
<v Ivan>Right.

01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:56.340
<v Sam>You know, you know, and OK, fine. A 20 year old was 12, but still, you know.

01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:59.120
<v Ivan>Yeah. OK. Yeah.

01:22:59.980 --> 01:23:03.160
<v Sam>Now, that's the beginning of his term, not the end of his term.

01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:05.920
<v Sam>So you have to track less to remember the end of his term.

01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:11.120
<v Sam>Now, two things I will point out on the approval rating before we move on.

01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:19.040
<v Sam>one is i did find one chart that has the comparison to eight years ago to 2017

01:23:19.040 --> 01:23:26.380
<v Sam>he is almost exactly at the same net approval as he was eight years ago.

01:23:26.380 --> 01:23:33.860
<v Ivan>Basically he is shitty the first term and he's just as shitty now it's not like he improved with age.

01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:42.260
<v Sam>Yeah at least as of yeah the chart i have the comparison only goes through July

01:23:42.260 --> 01:23:44.940
<v Sam>21st, but that's at The Economist.

01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:51.400
<v Sam>The other thing I'll note is Nate Silver's net approval graph actually has him

01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:55.820
<v Sam>bottoming out on July 22nd, and he's up a bit from there now.

01:23:56.140 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Ivan>Oh, so he's up a bit. Well, that's the last time I checked. Yeah,

01:23:58.700 --> 01:24:01.580
<v Ivan>to July 22nd. Oh, he climbed up a little bit? Okay.

01:24:02.040 --> 01:24:06.760
<v Sam>Yeah. On July 22nd, he hit a new all-time low, negative 10.3%.

01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:08.460
<v Sam>He's now back up to negative eight.

01:24:09.450 --> 01:24:12.610
<v Ivan>What the fuck polls get? Some of these garbage polls.

01:24:12.810 --> 01:24:18.950
<v Ivan>Listen, every time that these guys, these guys see that it hits that low number,

01:24:19.110 --> 01:24:24.930
<v Ivan>Sam, all of a sudden they do this dump of like these garbage polls. Okay.

01:24:25.150 --> 01:24:27.130
<v Ivan>All right. Just to try to prop up the number.

01:24:27.390 --> 01:24:33.630
<v Sam>It's all I have to do. All I have to say is let me remind you that last two

01:24:33.630 --> 01:24:38.490
<v Sam>election cycles for the general election, the polls that we slagged as the junk

01:24:38.490 --> 01:24:40.190
<v Sam>polls ended up getting it right.

01:24:40.190 --> 01:24:45.210
<v Ivan>Here's but here here's here's the thing though the one guy that has been the

01:24:45.210 --> 01:24:50.050
<v Ivan>most accurate that i kept thinking was crazy but data has shown has been the

01:24:50.050 --> 01:24:55.050
<v Ivan>most accurate has been atlas intel yeah these guys i remember you.

01:24:55.050 --> 01:24:58.110
<v Sam>Spent quite a lot of time slagging on them yeah.

01:24:58.110 --> 01:25:01.830
<v Ivan>And and i and and then they turned out to be absolutely right.

01:25:02.050 --> 01:25:07.390
<v Ivan>And so I'm going to give them credit and I, you know, eat my words about that.

01:25:07.830 --> 01:25:11.470
<v Ivan>They still have a negative 11%. Okay.

01:25:11.710 --> 01:25:16.530
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden you get Trafalgar, which, you know, at plus two,

01:25:17.290 --> 01:25:22.490
<v Ivan>RMG Research at plus two, which came out like right after he hit that bottom,

01:25:22.890 --> 01:25:27.250
<v Ivan>all of a sudden Trafalgar, who, by the way, has admitted directly that he puts

01:25:27.250 --> 01:25:29.610
<v Ivan>his finger on the fucking polls. Okay.

01:25:30.410 --> 01:25:33.050
<v Ivan>I mean, he said this himself as a plus two.

01:25:34.210 --> 01:25:37.390
<v Ivan>So, so yeah, so that's, that's why the average like bumped up.

01:25:37.510 --> 01:25:40.930
<v Ivan>You got a couple of those guys coming in and well, we gotta,

01:25:41.010 --> 01:25:45.770
<v Ivan>you know, we gotta, we gotta tip the, you know, we gotta, we gotta put some pressure on this.

01:25:45.830 --> 01:25:48.310
<v Ivan>This is not looking good. We don't, we don't like these numbers.

01:25:49.870 --> 01:25:51.850
<v Sam>Yes. Anyway. Yeah.

01:25:52.130 --> 01:25:52.470
<v Ivan>So.

01:25:52.690 --> 01:25:55.170
<v Sam>Okay. Next. You said Epstein.

01:25:55.350 --> 01:25:57.170
<v Ivan>We're going to close it. Yeah. We got to talk about Epstein.

01:25:57.490 --> 01:26:02.270
<v Ivan>I mean, we haven't talked about Epstein. So, Sam, have we gotten the files?

01:26:05.310 --> 01:26:10.190
<v Sam>No, we have not gotten the files. We did get this little drawing.

01:26:10.390 --> 01:26:14.070
<v Sam>That was since last episode, wasn't it? The little drawing from the book.

01:26:14.510 --> 01:26:18.990
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire Epstein thing.

01:26:19.530 --> 01:26:22.570
<v Ivan>dating back to I think we actually did talk.

01:26:22.570 --> 01:26:24.290
<v Sam>About that last time. I don't know.

01:26:28.130 --> 01:26:34.530
<v Ivan>But look, the entire Epstein thing, going back all the way to the 2000s.

01:26:34.990 --> 01:26:41.210
<v Ivan>Oh, by the way, I did mention, you know, because he was able to get a plea deal in the 2000s.

01:26:41.410 --> 01:26:44.810
<v Ivan>I hate calling it the odds. I don't want to call it that.

01:26:45.210 --> 01:26:47.930
<v Sam>The odds. The zeros?

01:26:47.930 --> 01:26:50.490
<v Ivan>The zeros.

01:26:51.170 --> 01:26:52.070
<v Sam>The 20s.

01:26:54.030 --> 01:26:57.150
<v Ivan>I don't know. Anyway, I don't like any of those terms.

01:26:57.770 --> 01:27:01.450
<v Ivan>I don't know. Anyway, I'm good with the 20s. The 20s sound good,

01:27:01.550 --> 01:27:03.670
<v Ivan>but of course the 20s, I keep thinking of the 1920s.

01:27:04.210 --> 01:27:05.450
<v Sam>Whereas it's now.

01:27:05.830 --> 01:27:10.270
<v Ivan>It's now. Right. Okay, so look.

01:27:11.690 --> 01:27:20.750
<v Ivan>The guys that started this entire conspiracy around Epstein and the client list

01:27:20.750 --> 01:27:24.250
<v Ivan>and the pedophile ring and all of this other stuff or whatever.

01:27:24.530 --> 01:27:32.890
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, Epstein is a documented pedophile that had a ring that basically trafficked people.

01:27:34.250 --> 01:27:37.350
<v Ivan>He is one guy that got arrested for this.

01:27:38.130 --> 01:27:43.090
<v Ivan>Of course, he died all of a sudden. And so we did talk about,

01:27:43.230 --> 01:27:45.930
<v Ivan>I believe, about the missing minutes.

01:27:46.310 --> 01:27:48.290
<v Sam>Yes, we absolutely talked about that.

01:27:48.770 --> 01:27:53.390
<v Ivan>We talked about the missing minutes. But now, okay, this week,

01:27:53.770 --> 01:27:59.690
<v Ivan>you know, Trump has been trying to deflect attention from anything related to Epstein.

01:28:00.130 --> 01:28:05.330
<v Ivan>Tulsi comes out and basically accuses Obama of treason this week.

01:28:05.330 --> 01:28:11.050
<v Sam>Which by the way, let me just say, like they've been going on about this study

01:28:11.050 --> 01:28:17.990
<v Sam>that showed there was no Russian interference in counting votes in the actual

01:28:17.990 --> 01:28:21.670
<v Sam>election machines and stuff like that and showing how,

01:28:21.830 --> 01:28:25.790
<v Sam>well, they knew this, but then they did all this with Russian interference,

01:28:25.990 --> 01:28:29.590
<v Sam>intentionally conflating these two entirely different things.

01:28:29.870 --> 01:28:34.450
<v Sam>We all knew that there was, There was an investigation at the very beginning

01:28:34.450 --> 01:28:39.470
<v Sam>about whether or not the actual mechanics of elections were interfered with,

01:28:39.510 --> 01:28:43.050
<v Sam>and the conclusion was no, and everybody agreed it was no,

01:28:43.210 --> 01:28:48.450
<v Sam>and all of the other investigations were not about that at all.

01:28:48.670 --> 01:28:51.370
<v Sam>They were about influence operations and things like that.

01:28:51.410 --> 01:28:52.430
<v Ivan>Right, and nothing to deal with nothing.

01:28:52.490 --> 01:28:56.030
<v Sam>Two completely different things. Go ahead. Anyway, but of course Obama— Well.

01:28:56.050 --> 01:29:01.290
<v Ivan>Tulsi has shown herself to be a very able tool for the Republicans, hasn't she?

01:29:02.230 --> 01:29:05.550
<v Sam>Well, also, this was Tulsi getting back in Trump's good graces.

01:29:05.850 --> 01:29:09.050
<v Sam>She had been sort of on the outs for some of the things she'd said on Iran.

01:29:09.690 --> 01:29:13.090
<v Sam>And so she needed something to make him happy, and apparently it worked.

01:29:13.950 --> 01:29:17.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, apparently. You know, so that's, you know, so. But now,

01:29:17.390 --> 01:29:18.970
<v Ivan>of course, you know, we've got the whole.

01:29:20.250 --> 01:29:25.610
<v Ivan>This whole thing, to try to deflect attention from the Epstein files,

01:29:25.750 --> 01:29:28.410
<v Ivan>which apparently, I guess we're never getting these, huh?

01:29:29.050 --> 01:29:33.130
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't... And then, so...

01:29:35.190 --> 01:29:40.290
<v Ivan>They offered immunity to... Listen, here's the problem.

01:29:40.530 --> 01:29:44.650
<v Ivan>The problem is that the ones that really were harping on, this is a lie,

01:29:44.770 --> 01:29:47.970
<v Ivan>this is a fraud, this is a conspiracy, to hide the deep state,

01:29:48.370 --> 01:29:49.870
<v Ivan>theedophile ring, blah, blah, blah.

01:29:50.250 --> 01:29:54.350
<v Ivan>We're the QAnon right-wing Republicans in MAGA.

01:29:54.610 --> 01:29:58.210
<v Ivan>These are the guys that love this conspiracy, that believed it,

01:29:58.270 --> 01:30:01.410
<v Ivan>and that pushed it. Okay? That was their thing.

01:30:02.030 --> 01:30:06.050
<v Ivan>Now, their guys are in power, the guy that was supposed to bring down the deep

01:30:06.050 --> 01:30:07.370
<v Ivan>state to do all the stuff.

01:30:07.670 --> 01:30:11.390
<v Ivan>And lo and behold, by the way, he's not releasing a damn thing.

01:30:11.730 --> 01:30:15.490
<v Ivan>Then you've got the drumbeat of news where you've got the Wall Street Journal

01:30:15.490 --> 01:30:19.830
<v Ivan>going and reporting, Hey, number one, we know that he was in the files.

01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:23.230
<v Ivan>he already got told in may that he was in the files

01:30:23.230 --> 01:30:26.250
<v Ivan>okay and then their second story that they they

01:30:26.250 --> 01:30:29.050
<v Ivan>released this week which i can't remember exactly but they but they had

01:30:29.050 --> 01:30:32.330
<v Ivan>two stories that basically were you

01:30:32.330 --> 01:30:35.110
<v Ivan>know torpedoing you know all the

01:30:35.110 --> 01:30:39.170
<v Ivan>assertions that they were making to the point that trump is suing rupert murdoch

01:30:39.170 --> 01:30:44.710
<v Ivan>over these stories okay which is hilarious one of the things but the drumbeat

01:30:44.710 --> 01:30:50.210
<v Ivan>doesn't stop because they they keep trying to deflect you know shuck and chime

01:30:50.210 --> 01:30:52.630
<v Ivan>on this thing but they don't release any of it.

01:30:52.630 --> 01:30:55.930
<v Sam>Well here's the thing like the

01:30:55.930 --> 01:30:59.090
<v Sam>rational thing to say here like because

01:30:59.090 --> 01:31:03.910
<v Sam>i was going to say they'll never they shouldn't actually probably release the

01:31:03.910 --> 01:31:11.470
<v Sam>files in their entirety because the whole doj thing right is if you've got evidence

01:31:11.470 --> 01:31:16.630
<v Sam>and material but it's not enough to actually charge somebody because you don't

01:31:16.630 --> 01:31:18.190
<v Sam>think you'd win a conviction,

01:31:18.670 --> 01:31:22.990
<v Sam>then that's supposed to stay secret because you don't have, somebody doesn't

01:31:22.990 --> 01:31:25.510
<v Sam>have the opportunity to defend themselves in court.

01:31:25.590 --> 01:31:30.170
<v Sam>So you're just slandering people with evidence that you yourself admit isn't

01:31:30.170 --> 01:31:32.090
<v Sam>enough to convict them, right?

01:31:32.090 --> 01:31:34.310
<v Ivan>Yeah, but they promised to release everything, Sam.

01:31:34.490 --> 01:31:38.190
<v Sam>I know, I know, I know. But the other thing is, I know, but the other thing is.

01:31:38.910 --> 01:31:45.210
<v Ivan>Listen, Pam Bondy sent out all these binders. Remember the damn binders?

01:31:45.210 --> 01:31:49.390
<v Sam>I remember the binders. But look, here's the thing. From Donald Trump's point of view,

01:31:50.110 --> 01:31:54.950
<v Sam>assuming there is, in fact, nothing in there that would convict him,

01:31:55.250 --> 01:32:00.090
<v Sam>the natural correct thing to do was, well, of course I'm in the files.

01:32:00.170 --> 01:32:01.930
<v Sam>I was his friend for 15 years.

01:32:02.110 --> 01:32:05.670
<v Sam>There's already public information of me and his address book and various things

01:32:05.670 --> 01:32:06.890
<v Sam>like that. We hung out together.

01:32:07.150 --> 01:32:11.230
<v Sam>I didn't know about his activities. And as soon as I found out about him,

01:32:11.290 --> 01:32:14.470
<v Sam>I dumped him. But of course I'm in the files. because he knew me.

01:32:15.410 --> 01:32:19.810
<v Sam>End of story. Well, not end of story, but the thing is, like,

01:32:19.950 --> 01:32:24.190
<v Sam>the key is, like, they're making a big deal out of he was in the files.

01:32:24.590 --> 01:32:27.470
<v Sam>We all knew that. We knew that for decades.

01:32:27.950 --> 01:32:30.610
<v Sam>You know, well, maybe not decades, but you know what I mean.

01:32:30.610 --> 01:32:31.630
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen.

01:32:32.330 --> 01:32:35.670
<v Sam>The question is, is he incriminated on anything?

01:32:35.810 --> 01:32:41.910
<v Sam>And the problem is his behavior is 100% like, oh, it's not that just there's

01:32:41.910 --> 01:32:43.710
<v Sam>something innocuous in his files.

01:32:44.430 --> 01:32:47.750
<v Sam>Like, if there's something innocuous in his files that just mentioned Donald

01:32:47.750 --> 01:32:51.330
<v Sam>Trump, then, of course, he could say something like what I said.

01:32:51.650 --> 01:32:54.110
<v Sam>But if what's in there looks bad, that's a whole other story.

01:32:54.110 --> 01:32:55.210
<v Sam>If all of this is so innocent.

01:32:55.450 --> 01:33:02.830
<v Ivan>Then why the hell did somebody go and, like, interview Ghislaine Maxwell and give her immunity?

01:33:03.470 --> 01:33:09.070
<v Ivan>And go and ask her questions for two fucking days! What the hell is going on?

01:33:09.330 --> 01:33:14.970
<v Sam>Yes. So here is what's going on right now. They gave some form of immunity,

01:33:15.150 --> 01:33:19.030
<v Sam>probably limited immunity for anything she mentions during her conversations,

01:33:19.030 --> 01:33:25.630
<v Sam>in order to talk about 100 specific people they wanted to ask about.

01:33:26.750 --> 01:33:32.770
<v Sam>Now, here's the thing. If there's no list, where exactly did this 100 people come from?

01:33:33.990 --> 01:33:37.470
<v Sam>Now, of course, they were saying there's no client list.

01:33:38.430 --> 01:33:42.070
<v Sam>This list could be something else or generated from anyway. But,

01:33:42.250 --> 01:33:48.610
<v Sam>you know, and and so the question like the the the speculation and I'm going

01:33:48.610 --> 01:33:50.070
<v Sam>to say there's no proof of any of this.

01:33:50.250 --> 01:33:56.130
<v Sam>This is all speculation. The speculation is they are offering Maxwell a deal

01:33:56.130 --> 01:34:00.210
<v Sam>in the hopes that she will incriminate a whole bunch of Democrats the way the

01:34:00.210 --> 01:34:02.070
<v Sam>conspiracy theory has always wanted,

01:34:02.090 --> 01:34:07.310
<v Sam>while not saying a damn thing about Trump, or even better,

01:34:07.810 --> 01:34:12.950
<v Sam>specifically saying Trump was never involved, or any other Republicans for that matter.

01:34:12.950 --> 01:34:18.670
<v Sam>so we can come out of here with a list of by the way okay okay wait but you.

01:34:18.670 --> 01:34:21.690
<v Ivan>Understand that I heard that she's the man like a pardon.

01:34:22.630 --> 01:34:28.790
<v Sam>Well she her lawyer said they would be very interested in a pardon but so far

01:34:28.790 --> 01:34:32.590
<v Sam>she's only gotten some immunity now immunity is a lot like.

01:34:32.590 --> 01:34:34.330
<v Ivan>Well no she's in jail.

01:34:34.330 --> 01:34:36.750
<v Sam>Listen I know she's already in jail she's been in.

01:34:36.750 --> 01:34:38.970
<v Ivan>Jail for 20 fucking years Sam.

01:34:38.970 --> 01:34:41.630
<v Sam>I know listen listen Listen.

01:34:41.750 --> 01:34:45.190
<v Ivan>If I'm in jail for 20 fucking years and I'm about to deal with people like in

01:34:45.190 --> 01:34:48.850
<v Ivan>these situations, OK, the fuck am I getting for fucking immunity?

01:34:49.170 --> 01:34:55.830
<v Ivan>Wait, because no, no, no, because I'm helping you. You want me to help you and I'm not getting shit?

01:34:56.250 --> 01:34:57.950
<v Sam>Well, because the other thing is presumably.

01:34:58.390 --> 01:35:00.190
<v Ivan>Because you're not going to put me in jail for another 20 fucking years.

01:35:00.550 --> 01:35:07.110
<v Sam>Here's the thing with Maxwell, too. She repeatedly, over and over and over again,

01:35:07.430 --> 01:35:10.350
<v Sam>refused plea deals earlier.

01:35:10.470 --> 01:35:10.650
<v Ivan>Right!

01:35:10.910 --> 01:35:16.870
<v Sam>Because she maintained her 100% innocence from beginning to end of this process.

01:35:17.090 --> 01:35:21.690
<v Sam>She was still maintaining her innocence right now, as far as I am aware.

01:35:22.230 --> 01:35:27.630
<v Ivan>So then how the hell would she have any incriminating evidence if she's so fucking innocent?

01:35:27.890 --> 01:35:31.550
<v Ivan>This is what I don't understand about this whole fucking thing.

01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.460
<v Sam>Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the question, obviously, right? Like,

01:35:35.540 --> 01:35:39.240
<v Sam>is she now admitting that she was actually involved in stuff or at the very

01:35:39.240 --> 01:35:43.960
<v Sam>least knew stuff that she could have told authorities?

01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:51.780
<v Sam>Now, depending on her situation, she might be able to claim that she knew stuff,

01:35:51.940 --> 01:35:55.760
<v Sam>but was not involved and was in danger of her own life.

01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:59.640
<v Sam>So she couldn't cooperate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know.

01:36:00.260 --> 01:36:04.900
<v Sam>It's all speculation at this point. And sort of the question is like,

01:36:05.060 --> 01:36:09.180
<v Sam>well, what's actually going on? What kind of deal are they offering her?

01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:16.440
<v Sam>Now, frankly, if Trump pardons her, what's the base really going to think about that?

01:36:17.180 --> 01:36:20.040
<v Sam>Now, if he pardons her.

01:36:20.300 --> 01:36:26.080
<v Ivan>Then I mean, listen, I think the world's brain is going to explode.

01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:33.280
<v Sam>Well, here's the thing. Like, his base might be okay with that trade as long

01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:38.180
<v Sam>as it comes with serious implications for a whole bunch of prominent Democrats.

01:36:39.040 --> 01:36:44.460
<v Sam>Like, if the deal was, say, Bill Clinton was their fucking babies,

01:36:44.660 --> 01:36:50.520
<v Sam>and she provides a little bit of evidence that shows that, oh,

01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:54.460
<v Sam>yeah, maybe Bill Clinton was, maybe not babies, you know what I mean.

01:36:55.100 --> 01:36:59.760
<v Sam>then, you know, if she can deliver Bill Clinton's head on a platter,

01:37:00.480 --> 01:37:03.340
<v Sam>a lot of the base might be fine with that trade.

01:37:03.460 --> 01:37:09.400
<v Ivan>Listen, if the files in any way, shape, or form had that in them already,

01:37:10.240 --> 01:37:15.140
<v Ivan>what the f- You think that this wouldn't have already been given?

01:37:15.380 --> 01:37:17.320
<v Ivan>This is my whole thing.

01:37:18.260 --> 01:37:23.740
<v Ivan>If this was what was in there, they would already burned every fucking democrat

01:37:23.740 --> 01:37:26.160
<v Ivan>in that list they would already burn him.

01:37:26.160 --> 01:37:29.900
<v Sam>Because they had a chance already in his first yes yeah

01:37:29.900 --> 01:37:32.820
<v Sam>and and if trump was

01:37:32.820 --> 01:37:38.180
<v Sam>in it the biden administration had a chance right now here's the thing and i

01:37:38.180 --> 01:37:42.640
<v Sam>said this last week and i said this last week before what i think is the the

01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:49.720
<v Sam>reality is the that all of this stuff probably has a lot of stuff that isn't

01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:52.460
<v Sam>That just isn't quite solid enough.

01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:55.980
<v Sam>It might look bad, but it's not solid enough to prove a damn thing.

01:37:56.700 --> 01:38:02.240
<v Sam>Now, her testimony might be something that pushed something over the edge where

01:38:02.240 --> 01:38:06.020
<v Sam>you take some fuzzy picture and she's like, yeah, that really was Bill Clinton.

01:38:07.220 --> 01:38:10.560
<v Sam>You know, I don't know. Now, here's the other thing.

01:38:11.320 --> 01:38:12.060
<v Ivan>But here's the thing.

01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:19.000
<v Ivan>Look, any deal that she makes right now is going to be so tainted so badly.

01:38:19.440 --> 01:38:23.440
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. From a legal point of view. The question is— From a legal point of view.

01:38:23.580 --> 01:38:27.860
<v Sam>I think at this point, like, if they had had stuff that could result in actual

01:38:27.860 --> 01:38:30.800
<v Sam>convictions, I agree with you completely. I think it would have.

01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.800
<v Ivan>Been used by— But if they had stuff that was just going to have been an insinuation,

01:38:33.940 --> 01:38:35.480
<v Ivan>why wouldn't they have used it already?

01:38:35.660 --> 01:38:39.540
<v Sam>That's my point. That's the thing. Well, the, the, yeah, I mean,

01:38:39.860 --> 01:38:42.460
<v Sam>the Democrats, here's the thing.

01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:49.480
<v Sam>In Trump's last term, there were still people in charge that thought that was wrong to do.

01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:50.100
<v Ivan>Right now.

01:38:50.380 --> 01:38:52.980
<v Sam>No, I know. Yeah, no. Right now.

01:38:53.160 --> 01:38:56.800
<v Ivan>What's stopping them right now? There's nothing stopping them right now.

01:38:56.980 --> 01:39:00.120
<v Sam>The only thing that must be stopping them is that there really is something

01:39:00.120 --> 01:39:01.120
<v Sam>about Trump in there, too.

01:39:01.780 --> 01:39:03.500
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's it.

01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:06.660
<v Sam>And you know, people can...

01:39:07.400 --> 01:39:10.300
<v Ivan>And there's no way to fucking like, you know...

01:39:10.300 --> 01:39:11.100
<v Sam>Disentangle it.

01:39:11.500 --> 01:39:11.940
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:16.320
<v Sam>It was Trump and Clinton together with the underage girls.

01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:17.220
<v Ivan>Right.

01:39:17.980 --> 01:39:24.200
<v Sam>It was a menage a trois, Trump-Clinton underage girl sandwich.

01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:25.420
<v Ivan>There you go.

01:39:25.940 --> 01:39:27.260
<v Sam>That must be it.

01:39:28.280 --> 01:39:29.220
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

01:39:29.900 --> 01:39:33.000
<v Sam>No, look, here's the thing too. like i

01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:36.560
<v Sam>keep seeing videos of online of

01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:39.400
<v Sam>sort of people talking

01:39:39.400 --> 01:39:42.980
<v Sam>about republicans being like well why do

01:39:42.980 --> 01:39:47.580
<v Sam>you why are you why are you democrats so hot on releasing it what if bill clinton's

01:39:47.580 --> 01:39:51.620
<v Sam>in it and of course all the democrats are like the same answer we give all the

01:39:51.620 --> 01:39:57.540
<v Sam>time if if any prominent democrats are in it and you can show that they were

01:39:57.540 --> 01:40:00.440
<v Sam>definitely involved nail them to the fucking wall.

01:40:00.700 --> 01:40:03.020
<v Sam>They deserve everything that's coming to them.

01:40:03.580 --> 01:40:06.180
<v Sam>You know, I'm sorry.

01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:11.640
<v Sam>No sacred cows. Like, you know, it doesn't matter who the Democrat is.

01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:16.540
<v Sam>If they were involved in Epstein's little playground with, you know,

01:40:16.860 --> 01:40:22.320
<v Sam>underage girls who were, well, even if they were completely voluntary,

01:40:22.580 --> 01:40:24.040
<v Sam>right? They're underage, they can't consent.

01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:26.920
<v Sam>But there's lots of evidence it wasn't completely voluntary.

01:40:27.200 --> 01:40:30.440
<v Sam>They were being, they were being drugged. They were being all kinds of stuff.

01:40:30.780 --> 01:40:33.260
<v Sam>This is a completely evil situation.

01:40:33.580 --> 01:40:34.040
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:40:34.280 --> 01:40:39.420
<v Sam>If there are any prominent Democrats in it, I don't care who they are or what their history is.

01:40:40.150 --> 01:40:40.730
<v Sam>Nail them.

01:40:40.790 --> 01:40:41.710
<v Ivan>Nail them to the wall.

01:40:42.290 --> 01:40:42.730
<v Sam>Absolutely.

01:40:42.950 --> 01:40:48.390
<v Ivan>All right, well, listen. I got to wrap it up. Okay. So, let's wrap this thing up.

01:40:48.550 --> 01:40:52.370
<v Ivan>Okay, so, I don't know. End credits.

01:40:52.730 --> 01:40:55.410
<v Sam>You going to do the end credits this time? Go for it.

01:40:55.450 --> 01:40:59.910
<v Ivan>No, I'm not mentally prepared for that. I'm mentally preparing myself to find

01:40:59.910 --> 01:41:02.650
<v Ivan>my assignment for the end.

01:41:02.730 --> 01:41:07.210
<v Sam>Okay, well, I will do the rest while you find that. Go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:41:07.210 --> 01:41:10.230
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01:41:10.350 --> 01:41:12.670
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01:41:13.030 --> 01:41:16.190
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01:41:16.450 --> 01:41:22.530
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01:41:23.070 --> 01:41:26.370
<v Sam>This week I was going to do like, I was going to catch up, but then I was sick.

01:41:27.090 --> 01:41:31.170
<v Sam>Yeah, I'll probably catch up at some point. I could just skip some episodes,

01:41:31.350 --> 01:41:34.690
<v Sam>but I figure I should actually catch up and post things from those old episodes.

01:41:34.850 --> 01:41:36.550
<v Sam>I don't know. Eventually I'll catch up.

01:41:37.150 --> 01:41:40.070
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01:41:40.070 --> 01:41:44.030
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01:41:44.030 --> 01:41:47.590
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01:41:47.590 --> 01:41:52.650
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01:41:52.650 --> 01:41:58.210
<v Sam>that are owed to yvonne i put them in the mailbox like yesterday or today or

01:41:58.210 --> 01:42:02.670
<v Sam>something and so they are on the way to yvonne at which point yvonne has to

01:42:02.670 --> 01:42:05.930
<v Sam>answer his bit and then actually send them out to the due recipients.

01:42:06.190 --> 01:42:11.090
<v Sam>I also finally got, I ordered the mug for Todd who co-hosted a while ago.

01:42:11.290 --> 01:42:14.090
<v Sam>So my part of everything I owe

01:42:14.090 --> 01:42:20.030
<v Sam>for the, for the curmudgeons corner bonus gifts is done for the moment.

01:42:20.330 --> 01:42:24.190
<v Sam>But yeah, for various levels on the Patreon, we will give you a postcard.

01:42:24.310 --> 01:42:25.930
<v Sam>We will give you a mug. We will ring bells.

01:42:26.070 --> 01:42:29.090
<v Sam>We will mention you on the show, all of this kind of stuff. It's lots of fun.

01:42:29.550 --> 01:42:33.210
<v Sam>And importantly, oh, and you also get a mug if you actually co-host the show.

01:42:34.010 --> 01:42:38.110
<v Sam>So anybody out there, you know, and then, yeah,

01:42:38.690 --> 01:42:43.050
<v Sam>at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask, you will be, you will be invited

01:42:43.050 --> 01:42:46.750
<v Sam>to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and a bunch of listeners

01:42:46.750 --> 01:42:51.930
<v Sam>spend the week chatting with each other, sharing links, talking about the news,

01:42:52.230 --> 01:42:53.190
<v Sam>talking about whatever.

01:42:53.630 --> 01:42:58.510
<v Sam>As it was mentioned, I talked all about what happened to my car on the Slack.

01:42:58.690 --> 01:43:03.550
<v Sam>I talked about being sick on the Slack, which of course, means most of our loyal

01:43:03.550 --> 01:43:07.910
<v Sam>listeners, the whole first half of the show was a retread. Sorry, guys.

01:43:08.530 --> 01:43:14.350
<v Sam>Anyway, but so, Yvonne, what is one highlight from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack

01:43:14.350 --> 01:43:16.170
<v Sam>this week that we have not mentioned on the show?

01:43:17.020 --> 01:43:23.560
<v Ivan>An American, okay, anti-woke dad who fled with family to Russia, sent to war zone.

01:43:23.860 --> 01:43:30.700
<v Ivan>An American father who moved to Russia to avoid LGBTQ plus indoctrination for

01:43:30.700 --> 01:43:34.520
<v Ivan>his kids is being sent to the front line in Ukraine despite being assured he

01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:35.880
<v Ivan>would serve in a non-combat role.

01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:41.280
<v Ivan>Derek Hoffman, 46, feels he's being thrown to the wolves and being told that

01:43:41.280 --> 01:43:44.420
<v Ivan>his job in the military would be as a correspondent or as a welder,

01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:47.140
<v Ivan>his wife Deanna said in a recorded interview.

01:43:47.400 --> 01:43:54.480
<v Ivan>Sam, are we feeling sad for the anti-woke dad who decided to move to Russia

01:43:54.480 --> 01:44:00.000
<v Ivan>and to join the military and is now being sent to the front line in Ukraine?

01:44:00.420 --> 01:44:02.000
<v Ivan>Any tears you have for him?

01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:06.180
<v Sam>I have a hard time generating those tears.

01:44:06.420 --> 01:44:11.140
<v Sam>And the other thing is, this is not the first one of these stories I have read

01:44:11.140 --> 01:44:16.560
<v Sam>about people who've gone to Russia to escape the horrible United States,

01:44:17.100 --> 01:44:25.000
<v Sam>you know, woke mind virus and end up discovering that things are actually pretty bad for them there.

01:44:25.420 --> 01:44:30.080
<v Ivan>Yeah, no shit, people, huh? So Russia kind of sucks? Film at 11.

01:44:30.480 --> 01:44:33.560
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. I went to Moscow. And let me tell you something.

01:44:33.900 --> 01:44:36.940
<v Ivan>I realized very quickly, I don't want to fucking live here.

01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:43.220
<v Sam>I saw one a few weeks ago for somebody who did the exact same thing, but they weren't white.

01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:49.720
<v Sam>And then it talked about how, oh my God, it was so racist there.

01:44:50.060 --> 01:44:58.020
<v Sam>And they had such a horrible time because no one would treat them well because they weren't white.

01:44:58.420 --> 01:44:58.960
<v Ivan>Right.

01:44:59.120 --> 01:45:00.420
<v Sam>You know, and...

01:45:00.420 --> 01:45:01.640
<v Ivan>Like literally no one.

01:45:02.280 --> 01:45:05.940
<v Sam>They figured that stuff would be better there than here. I mean,

01:45:06.040 --> 01:45:07.760
<v Sam>I'm not saying it's great here, but...

01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:09.480
<v Ivan>It's not like that.

01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.820
<v Sam>And, yeah, and there was another religious family that went there.

01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:19.880
<v Ivan>I've mentioned to you how sometimes, you know, because we talk about racism

01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:23.420
<v Ivan>openly and we got over here, that sometimes we're, you know,

01:45:23.500 --> 01:45:28.420
<v Ivan>we're oblivious to how bad the racism is over and bad in other places.

01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:34.560
<v Ivan>But even places that criticize the U.S. And, yeah, it is like that. Yes. In many places.

01:45:35.340 --> 01:45:38.020
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, it varies highly based on where you're talking about.

01:45:38.020 --> 01:45:44.280
<v Sam>But, you know, as bad as some things sometimes seem here and as much as they

01:45:44.280 --> 01:45:46.140
<v Sam>seem to be getting worse recently,

01:45:46.480 --> 01:45:51.080
<v Sam>there are lots of places in the world that are a lot worse for racial minorities,

01:45:51.260 --> 01:45:52.400
<v Sam>for religious minorities,

01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:55.180
<v Sam>for LGBTQ people. LGBTQ people, yeah.

01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:59.460
<v Sam>You know, we're not perfect. We're not great. There are lots of things we could do better.

01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:03.900
<v Sam>And we are backsliding these last few years. But there are lots of places.

01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:09.100
<v Ivan>There's a lot of places that is much worse. so anyway all right yeah.

01:46:09.100 --> 01:46:12.700
<v Sam>So you know yeah there

01:46:12.700 --> 01:46:17.280
<v Sam>there's so many stories of maga

01:46:17.280 --> 01:46:23.900
<v Sam>types that are getting the consequences of their choice and this guy who went

01:46:23.900 --> 01:46:31.020
<v Sam>to russia who's getting the consequences of his choice and you know does at

01:46:31.020 --> 01:46:33.560
<v Sam>some point there is the oh man,

01:46:33.740 --> 01:46:37.780
<v Sam>it's sad that they were stupid, but oh, come on. No.

01:46:38.120 --> 01:46:39.480
<v Ivan>I mean, you know.

01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:45.800
<v Sam>You should have known better. I'm sorry. Now I have seen another flavor of this,

01:46:45.980 --> 01:46:54.580
<v Sam>of people who are actually actively apologizing for their previous support of MAGA and saying,

01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:57.140
<v Sam>you know, I'm sorry I was slow.

01:46:57.140 --> 01:47:04.020
<v Sam>i'm sorry i was stupid but i now i realize what a big mistake i've made and

01:47:04.020 --> 01:47:10.460
<v Sam>i'm gonna work to i don't know make up for it i don't know and i on one side

01:47:10.460 --> 01:47:15.500
<v Sam>i'm like too fucking late asshole but at the same time i'm like,

01:47:16.590 --> 01:47:22.870
<v Sam>At a certain point, once people admit they're a mistake and are actively working

01:47:22.870 --> 01:47:27.750
<v Sam>to do better, okay, now I can let you back into the fold.

01:47:28.030 --> 01:47:37.170
<v Ivan>Yeah, you got to give them some—I mean, you need to receive them.

01:47:37.330 --> 01:47:40.530
<v Ivan>I mean, you can't just reject those people that are openly admitting that they

01:47:40.530 --> 01:47:42.310
<v Ivan>fucked up and they were wrong.

01:47:42.910 --> 01:47:46.650
<v Sam>As long as you are defending your previous choices, I'm sorry.

01:47:47.110 --> 01:47:48.110
<v Ivan>No, I don't want.

01:47:48.450 --> 01:47:55.570
<v Sam>Yeah, fuck you. But if you are genuinely acknowledge that you screwed up and

01:47:55.570 --> 01:48:00.430
<v Sam>you did wrong and you're starting to understand why you did wrong and you're apologizing for it.

01:48:00.950 --> 01:48:04.110
<v Ivan>I'm good with that. I'm, you know, yeah.

01:48:04.550 --> 01:48:09.190
<v Sam>Yeah. And they don't have to be like an AOC, like progressive either.

01:48:09.370 --> 01:48:14.230
<v Sam>No, they just have. They can actually still, I've always been fine with the

01:48:14.230 --> 01:48:15.950
<v Sam>never Trumpers, you know?

01:48:16.730 --> 01:48:22.950
<v Sam>Yeah. There is a such thing as a principled conservative who I disagree with

01:48:22.950 --> 01:48:27.530
<v Sam>on lots of stuff, but isn't evil. Right.

01:48:28.030 --> 01:48:28.530
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:48:28.590 --> 01:48:33.170
<v Sam>You know? So, I don't know. Okay, I think that's it, Mr. Bowe.

01:48:34.030 --> 01:48:35.310
<v Sam>It's time to hit the closing music.

01:48:36.350 --> 01:48:40.310
<v Sam>Thanks, everybody, for joining us. As usual, stay safe.

01:48:40.550 --> 01:48:49.170
<v Sam>have fun, not too much fun, you know, have a good whatever. There's no holiday.

01:48:49.430 --> 01:48:52.010
<v Sam>There's nothing special going on this week, I don't think, right?

01:48:52.410 --> 01:48:56.910
<v Ivan>Not maybe here. Puerto Rico actually has a holiday on Friday and a holiday on Monday.

01:48:57.130 --> 01:49:00.290
<v Sam>Oh, well, there you go. Is that where you are now, Mr. Bo?

01:49:00.650 --> 01:49:02.230
<v Ivan>No, I'm in Orlando.

01:49:02.570 --> 01:49:07.710
<v Sam>Oh, you're in Orlando. Okay. Yeah, I was wondering because you clearly weren't at home.

01:49:08.210 --> 01:49:08.990
<v Ivan>Yeah, no.

01:49:09.370 --> 01:49:13.950
<v Sam>Okay. there must be some like special mickey mouse holiday yeah.

01:49:13.950 --> 01:49:17.770
<v Ivan>That's it yeah no it's school is starting like soon so therefore.

01:49:17.770 --> 01:49:24.870
<v Sam>Back to disney yeah okay okay anyway have everyone have a good time have a safe

01:49:24.870 --> 01:49:31.710
<v Sam>time and we'll see you next time i said time a lot we'll see you again bye bye,

01:50:02.230 --> 01:50:04.630
<v Sam>Okay, that's it. Hitting stop. All right.

01:50:05.030 --> 01:50:05.210
<v Ivan>All right.

01:50:05.450 --> 01:50:07.310
<v Sam>Have a good week, Mr. Bro. Bye.

01:50:07.530 --> 01:50:10.190
<v Ivan>All right. Bye. Bye. It's a stop.

