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<v Sam>Yellow.

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<v Ivan>Hi. Okay, this is working.

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<v Sam>Let me get all the other people to see the colors.

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<v Sam>Okay, we're going there.

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<v Sam>And boom. Boom.

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<v Sam>Okay, all the preliminaries are already out of the way. Shall we just go?

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<v Ivan>Shall we un-preliminate?

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<v Sam>Un-preliminate. Un-preliminate. This is an interesting word.

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<v Ivan>Me too. Okay.

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<v Sam>Here goes the doohickey.

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<v Ivan>The doohickey. With a theme.

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<v Sam>Welcome to curmudgeons corner for saturday july 19th 2025. It's just about two

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<v Sam>UTC as we're starting to record.

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<v Sam>I am Sam Minter and Yvonne Bo is here again today. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Sam>Are you feeling better? You were sick last week.

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<v Ivan>I felt horrible last week. I had a combination of a cold with some gastro issues.

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<v Sam>Oh, that's always fun.

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<v Ivan>Which happened to just coincide. It's just, it was horrible.

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<v Ivan>I literally spent in bed. I am a guy.

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<v Ivan>I don't, I'll, I'll take breaks. I usually sometimes if I'm tired during the day.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I'm working like, you know, working from home, especially.

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<v Ivan>But I remember that I always wound up sometimes feeling somewhat tired in the afternoon.

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<v Ivan>I remember in the office. I mean, when I went to the office,

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<v Ivan>I was like, oh, man, I remember that that 2.30 to 4 o'clock time, I was like, oh, man.

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<v Ivan>And I remember that my energy would reignite at 5.

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<v Sam>See, now, the way I go, like, my body clock, like, I have had that mid-afternoon wall sometimes.

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<v Sam>But my usual experience on my normal days are to be dragging all morning long and actually get that,

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<v Sam>like, I'm actually ready to go and my body is into things, like, around 1 or 2 p.m.

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<v Ivan>No, I'll drag early.

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<v Sam>And then I'm ready to go.

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<v Ivan>I'll drag early.

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<v Ivan>And then I've got a good burst, like, after 9.30, 10. Okay, I'm good.

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<v Sam>Oh, yeah. All right? I'm still Dragon 10.

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<v Ivan>11. But I'm, you know, look, before 9.30, I'm just, you know,

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<v Ivan>come on, man. Give me a fucking break, you know?

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<v Sam>Oh, before 9.30, I'm practically a zombie.

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<v Ivan>Listen, when I worked at HP, I had, you know, that I had to go to the office. HP was very flexible.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I would get to the office every day around 9.30 to 10.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Yep. that that was fine that was not

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<v Ivan>a problem and i usually the thing is because they're flexible and i

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<v Ivan>like i said i got a burst of energy at five so

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<v Ivan>i'm not heading home at five shit that's

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<v Ivan>like my peak productivity time what hit like at five so no i would be you know

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<v Ivan>banging away and shit until 7 30 because that's like when you know all of a

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<v Ivan>sudden maybe my day would drag and all of a sudden, everything would gel.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, shit, this shit, it's all coming out now. Boom! You know?

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<v Sam>My, look, my peak productivity, if I had no other constraints,

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<v Sam>would be like, yeah, I would start to really hit my stride around three or four o'clock.

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<v Sam>And from there until midnight is like my prime hours. Okay.

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<v Ivan>You know, now here's the thing. If I were able, if I were able to be on a sleep

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<v Ivan>schedule that didn't make me have to fucking wake up.

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<v Ivan>as early as I have to now, I would be in sync with what you're talking about, okay?

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<v Ivan>Well, see, here's the thing for- The fucking problem is that kids' obligations.

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<v Sam>Bullshit- This is what I was going to say.

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<v Ivan>Make it that I got to be up at fucking 6.45, so my burst now at that hour is not- Yeah.

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<v Sam>This is exactly what I was getting at.

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<v Sam>Like, you know, I don't hit those peak hours for work because,

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<v Sam>yeah, I have home obligations.

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<v Sam>And you mentioned you'd keep working past five. If I was working from home,

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<v Sam>I probably would keep working from home longer.

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<v Sam>But I've got this hour and a half commute home.

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<v Sam>And if I leave work at five, I'm already talking about getting home 6.30 to

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<v Sam>seven, like potentially. Yeah, sure.

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<v Sam>It's usually not a full hour and a half to get home, And it's a little bit better,

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<v Sam>like on Fridays, but like, that's the actual drive.

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<v Sam>Like from the moment I close my laptop, you know, I've still got like 15,

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<v Sam>20 minutes to like, you know, get all my stuff together, go to the garage, get in my car, get going.

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<v Sam>And I'm not even counting that stuff.

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<v Sam>And, you know, and, and I've usually, you know, this, like, I don't know.

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<v Sam>The point is, you know, if I leave at five, realistically, I'm not available

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<v Sam>to my family till like seven.

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<v Ivan>Well, but my point is of this, bringing this up, was because I was mentioning

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<v Ivan>about how, okay, I'm usually, I stayed in bed all Friday.

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<v Sam>Oh, because you were sick. Yes.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, so I'm not, but I'm usually one that's doing shit from morning

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<v Ivan>till late. And I felt so bad That for...

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<v Ivan>I don't know, the first time in quite a long time. I was in bed all day.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>I just, I was not, and I slept a lot of the day, which is the other thing.

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<v Ivan>I don't, I might be sometimes not feeling well in bed. I was sleeping all day.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Because that's not normal. So that's, that's how, you know, I was feeling last

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<v Ivan>week, which is why I was like, shit.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, no, I can't, I can't do this. I'm just, you know, I'm so tired.

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<v Ivan>and not feeling well.

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<v Sam>Well, I mean, look, the bottom line.

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<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, I started going to the bathroom nonstop at three in the morning.

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<v Sam>Oh, good. Nice, nice.

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<v Ivan>Thank you for sharing. It's the perfect time, you know, for that to hit.

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<v Ivan>Well, all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, man, come on. Really?

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<v Sam>Well, look, here's the thing. I mean, you're talking about, like,

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<v Sam>feeling bad that you're not working when you're sick.

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<v Sam>I mean, that's like, our culture is so broken with that. It should just be like.

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<v Ivan>Oh, I'm sick, I'm done. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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<v Ivan>Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not go crazy here.

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<v Ivan>I felt bad about being sick. I didn't feel bad about not working.

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<v Sam>Oh, okay, okay.

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<v Ivan>Fuck that shit. No, no, no, no. What the fuck are you talking about? No, no, no.

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<v Ivan>It felt bad that I felt sick, you know?

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<v Ivan>I mean, did not work. And I'm like, listen, I immediately, I felt like shit.

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<v Ivan>There were forecast calls. I called my boss. I said, dude, I'm sick. I'm out, you know?

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>You know, see, I'm like, I'm not, you know. No, no, no.

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<v Ivan>I mean, one thing about my current job in which I am working more than and not

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<v Ivan>taking as much vacation as I normally do. And but let's be fair here.

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<v Ivan>I take still quite a lot of vacation against the average American.

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<v Sam>OK, yeah.

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<v Ivan>But I haven't taken more just because.

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<v Ivan>My my role is a sales job. And the reality is that when I take time off because

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<v Ivan>I get paid commissions, I lose money. I lose money.

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<v Sam>OK.

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<v Ivan>All right. I lose money. And to me, I'm like, you know what?

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<v Ivan>I feel like in this almost like when I had my own business where I'm like,

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<v Ivan>look, if I'm not there minding the store every day, that money isn't coming in the till.

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<v Ivan>right okay you know i gotta keep you

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<v Ivan>know so so it's it's not even anybody demanding that i stay at work it's me

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<v Ivan>like saying oh fuck this no i can't i can't go two weeks what am i crazy i gotta

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<v Ivan>i gotta all these deals i gotta do this i gotta i gotta make this no fuck this

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<v Ivan>shit i can't lose this money but but you know but contrary to others ivan get yeah all.

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<v Sam>You have to do is send them a letter.

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<v Ivan>I don't know why you're making this so complicated you know what listen it was

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<v Ivan>a conversation today that I had with,

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<v Ivan>listen, I had a very important presentation with a customer today,

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<v Ivan>and I presented the proposal, and it was a big amount of money.

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<v Ivan>It was about seven figures, okay?

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<v Ivan>You know, we're not talking, you know, we're not talking, you know,

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<v Ivan>20, it was a big deal, okay?

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<v Ivan>Seven figures for the first year, okay? So, you know, this go on for years, okay?

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<v Ivan>And I go, And he said about talking to the CEO about the money.

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<v Ivan>And I said, look, listen, the last thing I expect that I presented this about,

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<v Ivan>are you just saying, hey, good.

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<v Ivan>Oh, it's fine. Yeah. You know, I'm like, you know, I'm like,

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<v Ivan>you know, if I'm asking people for that kind of money, I usually I don't.

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<v Ivan>Is somebody just saying yes, that that that's like weird.

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<v Ivan>And that's like the Donald Trump negotiating tactic, which is like,

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<v Ivan>hey, I'll just send you a letter. See, you know, deal.

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<v Ivan>The fuck they all kind of it's not

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<v Ivan>a deal not deals the hell are

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<v Ivan>we doing but anyway i i i was

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<v Ivan>sick i i even though no sam i was not feeling bad about not working okay i you

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<v Ivan>know i was perfectly happy not working i'm still i i calculated last year to

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<v Ivan>talk about the fact that we have unlimited vacation at our company,

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<v Ivan>I know that in the last 12 months, I've probably taken at least 40 vacation days. Okay. Yeah.

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<v Sam>That's a lot.

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<v Ivan>That's a lot. Yes.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>So, yeah, I mean, I've taken about 40 vacation days.

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<v Ivan>So, you know, that's why I hear people complaining, oh, my God, I want them.

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<v Ivan>It's a scam, the limited vacation. And I'm like, listen, shut up.

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<v Ivan>Oh, you shut the fuck up. This is a scam only because you guys are all too scared of taking it.

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<v Ivan>And at every company I have been, it's the same story.

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<v Ivan>I have everybody around me always saying, oh, I can't take vacation. It's going to kill me.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, you know what? I never, ever suffered from taking all of my vacation.

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<v Ivan>Ever. Never a problem.

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<v Sam>Okay?

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<v Ivan>I always say that's more fear than anything. I usually, but one thing I did,

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<v Ivan>I left everything organized.

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<v Ivan>I made sure that everything was taken care of. I made sure that my boss didn't

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<v Ivan>get called for a fire of any sort.

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<v Ivan>And if anything was pending, just to make sure, you know, it somehow is going to be taken care of.

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<v Ivan>OK, so that's the way. But but a lot of people, the thing that they do is,

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<v Ivan>oh, yeah, you know, oh, I get yelled at taking vacation.

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<v Ivan>You left the place on fire and you go. Right.

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<v Ivan>And so you don't tell anybody it's on fire. So all of a sudden,

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<v Ivan>you know, the fumes, the fire hits your boss and they're calling.

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<v Ivan>What the fuck is going on?

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<v Ivan>Well, shit, you left the place on fire, you idiot.

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<v Ivan>What do you expect is going to happen?

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<v Sam>Yes, that does make a difference.

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<v Ivan>So, yeah, I, you know.

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<v Sam>Well, I'm glad you're feeling better.

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<v Ivan>I am feeling better. Thank God. And, uh, you know, I don't know. It worked.

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<v Sam>Oh, yeah. I should mention our agenda. If you guys couldn't tell,

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<v Sam>we're doing the butt first right now.

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<v Sam>Yvonne just had a nice little story. I think, you know, I'm going to ask him

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<v Sam>if he has anything else for the butt first in a second.

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<v Sam>And then I'm going to do... This time, it's two movies.

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<v Ivan>Two? Woo!

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<v Sam>Well, I'm trying to do two every time because otherwise I'll never catch up.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, otherwise we'll never catch up. Yes. Well, the other thing I want to mention

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<v Ivan>is something that I didn't mention last week is that I did again...

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<v Ivan>Recently, I went and I I decided instead of buying a new device.

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<v Ivan>To get some repairs done on my devices. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. You're talking mobile devices here.

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<v Ivan>I'm talking, well, in this case, because I've done before iPads, other stuff, whatever.

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<v Ivan>Right. Yeah. So, I mean, actually, but I talked, look, last year,

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<v Ivan>I think it was a year and a half ago where I had the battery replaced on my

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<v Ivan>work MacBook Pro. Okay. Also as well.

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<v Ivan>But I decided that, you know, I don't think I'm going to, I want to get a new iPhone.

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<v Ivan>17 pro right now or and i asked my son if he wanted a new phone.

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<v Sam>So so meanwhile my my my battery

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<v Sam>is crap right now but i have

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<v Sam>an iphone 12 still and my plan absolutely is to order the 17 as soon as it comes

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<v Sam>out so i am not i have a 15 pro max and yeah i have mine is a 12 pro max i did

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<v Sam>go to the apple store because i had the thing where it wasn't charging properly

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<v Sam>because there was like a lint build up.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, get lint in there, yeah.

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<v Sam>So I have them.

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<v Ivan>They have the tools that's better than anything you can do at home.

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<v Ivan>That's better than anything that you can do at home, and they go over there, and they there you go.

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<v Sam>Yeah, because I've tried to fix that at home.

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<v Ivan>I've tried it too at home. Never works. They go over there, and it's like magic.

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<v Sam>A couple seconds, it was beautiful again.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Sam>But nevertheless, my battery sucks at this point. It will not last even through the workday.

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<v Sam>I have one of those little battery packs i attach it to to get through the second

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<v Sam>half of the day and but the but i know the new ones are coming out in like two

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<v Sam>months you know last about two months yeah july august september yeah so i i'm

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<v Sam>like yeah i'm just gonna make this one last a couple months and then i'll order

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<v Sam>the new one and i'll be well.

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<v Ivan>The thing is that i'm like look i i've got so my son has the se his battery

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<v Ivan>life was in the crapper his his battery the the the the thing said 60 or something It was bad. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And so I was going to get him a new phone, but he said no.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, okay. And his phone, you know, him being like that was in really good shape.

00:14:52.890 --> 00:14:53.530
<v Sam>So you got the battery upgraded.

00:14:54.050 --> 00:14:57.390
<v Ivan>So I went and I'm like, you know what? I was able to just get him a new battery.

00:14:57.590 --> 00:15:01.270
<v Ivan>And so my phone, it wasn't just the battery.

00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:08.630
<v Ivan>I somehow, the front of the screen, had scratched it really bad. Okay.

00:15:08.970 --> 00:15:10.750
<v Sam>Yeah. So you got your screen fixed.

00:15:10.750 --> 00:15:15.790
<v Ivan>I had a very deep scratch that was like right down the middle. Okay.

00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:16.250
<v Sam>Yep.

00:15:16.410 --> 00:15:23.030
<v Ivan>Which is really irritating. Okay. and I was like, my phone was still under AppleCare,

00:15:23.230 --> 00:15:27.850
<v Ivan>plus my son's, you know, it wasn't because his phone is older.

00:15:28.450 --> 00:15:35.850
<v Ivan>But look, I got my, and I had, like right when it was new, I had cracked the

00:15:35.850 --> 00:15:38.830
<v Ivan>rear bottom corner of the back of the screen.

00:15:39.150 --> 00:15:39.670
<v Sam>Right.

00:15:39.870 --> 00:15:45.650
<v Ivan>It was a tiny crack, and it happened when new. So it would be like almost two years ago.

00:15:46.390 --> 00:15:51.930
<v Ivan>But I was like, look, if I'm going to take it, my battery was not down as bad

00:15:51.930 --> 00:15:57.070
<v Ivan>as yours, but it was down enough that it was noticeable, okay?

00:15:57.550 --> 00:16:02.710
<v Ivan>And it was down to around 85%. They told me at Apple that they would do it under

00:16:02.710 --> 00:16:06.690
<v Ivan>AppleCare if it was under 80%. So I was not at the threshold.

00:16:06.690 --> 00:16:08.870
<v Sam>Let me check where mine is actually right now.

00:16:08.870 --> 00:16:18.710
<v Ivan>Yeah, so they went and $89 plus $30 got me the glass.

00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:20.070
<v Sam>Mine's at 78%.

00:16:20.810 --> 00:16:22.190
<v Ivan>It's not that bad.

00:16:22.710 --> 00:16:23.890
<v Sam>It's not that bad.

00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:27.450
<v Ivan>But here's what I will say. Here. Yeah, that's what that says.

00:16:27.570 --> 00:16:28.290
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something.

00:16:28.450 --> 00:16:35.490
<v Ivan>It's not really 78%. Because I noticed quickly when I got the battery back that

00:16:35.490 --> 00:16:43.870
<v Ivan>that 15% in real world usage was a hell of a lot more than 15%.

00:16:43.870 --> 00:16:48.370
<v Ivan>OK, it was like probably like I'd say closer to 40%.

00:16:48.370 --> 00:16:56.750
<v Ivan>OK, so I'm not sure why, but it really that 50% made a hell of a lot more of

00:16:56.750 --> 00:16:59.070
<v Ivan>a difference than than than 40%.

00:16:59.070 --> 00:17:04.610
<v Ivan>Because I noticed that I kept going every day at my battery usage,

00:17:04.610 --> 00:17:08.830
<v Ivan>kept reading about 110% before I got the battery.

00:17:09.110 --> 00:17:14.490
<v Ivan>And then like right now, for example, and right now I haven't charged it all

00:17:14.490 --> 00:17:17.010
<v Ivan>day. I still got 22% left.

00:17:18.260 --> 00:17:25.220
<v Ivan>You know, so, so that's like, and I'm talking like, I would be like, it would be dead by now.

00:17:25.700 --> 00:17:28.260
<v Ivan>So, so yeah, so I got it done.

00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:31.360
<v Sam>So you have the Apple store experience.

00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.860
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, usually always here, the store is very, I mean,

00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.600
<v Ivan>it's close by. It's very easy to get stuff.

00:17:39.760 --> 00:17:43.240
<v Sam>Well, I'll tell you, I had an Apple store experience this week too.

00:17:44.660 --> 00:17:47.320
<v Sam>My, my, what, what you're laughing.

00:17:47.320 --> 00:17:53.140
<v Ivan>Well, you said it in a way that sounded ominous. I had an experience.

00:17:53.140 --> 00:17:54.340
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something.

00:17:55.540 --> 00:17:57.320
<v Ivan>Let me tell you my experience.

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<v Sam>No, no. They are always good to me. The Apple store is always good to me.

00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.800
<v Ivan>They're always good to me. I never have problems with people.

00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:08.500
<v Sam>And of course, I have all the Apple cares and all that kind of stuff.

00:18:08.700 --> 00:18:12.100
<v Sam>So, like, no, this was my AirPod Maxes.

00:18:12.860 --> 00:18:15.920
<v Sam>Like, just gave up the ghost. they'd been having a

00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.060
<v Sam>harder and harder time pairing over the last few months

00:18:19.060 --> 00:18:22.380
<v Sam>they've actually had a problem for a while but i was always able to like you

00:18:22.380 --> 00:18:25.720
<v Sam>know it like you know it's supposed to automatically connect and reconnect and

00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:31.860
<v Sam>blah blah it was routinely getting disconnected and the only way to get it back

00:18:31.860 --> 00:18:36.640
<v Sam>was to sort of reset and repair and blah blah blah it was it was annoying and

00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.680
<v Sam>it got worse and worse and then eventually like sometime last week it just stopped working entirely.

00:18:41.540 --> 00:18:46.000
<v Sam>So I was still under Apple care and my Apple care on those things was good till January.

00:18:46.460 --> 00:18:49.900
<v Sam>I took it in, the guy like examined them and was like, yeah,

00:18:50.620 --> 00:18:52.200
<v Sam>there's something really wrong with these.

00:18:52.360 --> 00:18:56.340
<v Sam>They're, they're not even like, you know, you unplug them and the light instantly

00:18:56.340 --> 00:18:58.740
<v Sam>goes out and it's not responding and blah, blah, blah.

00:18:59.140 --> 00:19:03.820
<v Sam>So he took it from me. They, I just got a note of, they had to like ship it

00:19:03.820 --> 00:19:06.080
<v Sam>to somewhere to be looked at, but whatever.

00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:11.640
<v Sam>I just got a notification that they've finished fixing them and it's on the way back FedEx to me.

00:19:11.800 --> 00:19:15.820
<v Sam>And so I'll, I'll have it. I think they originally estimated I'd have it by

00:19:15.820 --> 00:19:20.200
<v Sam>Saturday, but I think I saw that the estimate was now Monday,

00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.620
<v Sam>but whatever did without them for a little while.

00:19:23.820 --> 00:19:28.080
<v Sam>And, but you know, all taken care of, like went in there for a few minutes.

00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.220
<v Sam>They looked at it all good. You know, I mean.

00:19:30.220 --> 00:19:36.660
<v Ivan>This is the one thing where, you know, anybody tried to convince me to buy something else.

00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:39.800
<v Ivan>and i remember

00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:43.740
<v Ivan>what it was to get anything electronic repaired

00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:51.160
<v Ivan>or what it is to get anything repaired outside of like my auto dealership experience

00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:58.400
<v Ivan>or my apple experience how shit is and let me tell it's like it's like getting

00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.740
<v Ivan>my damn samsung refrigerator fixed.

00:20:02.260 --> 00:20:07.080
<v Ivan>I had technicians coming out six times. It's a mess. They never get it right.

00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:09.740
<v Ivan>I had the same thing with washer or dryer.

00:20:10.120 --> 00:20:15.540
<v Ivan>You know, I had the GE guy go and like, whoa, whoa, we'll charge you $300 to change this part.

00:20:15.740 --> 00:20:19.260
<v Ivan>But, you know, it might not work and we're not going to give you your money

00:20:19.260 --> 00:20:22.060
<v Ivan>back. You know, shit like, literally shit like that.

00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:25.800
<v Ivan>Where I'm like, promised repairs that don't repair anything.

00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:30.300
<v Ivan>And oh, by the way, oh, oh, we charge you the money. It didn't do anything. Fuck you.

00:20:30.700 --> 00:20:33.580
<v Ivan>You know? So I'm sorry, okay?

00:20:33.940 --> 00:20:43.380
<v Ivan>No, I like this experience. I remember, I mean, shit, the horrible time that

00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:47.580
<v Ivan>I had getting a Sony TV repaired that I got, okay, like years ago.

00:20:47.800 --> 00:20:49.960
<v Ivan>That was like horrible.

00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:54.680
<v Ivan>It was horrible. They literally destroyed the TV trying to fix it.

00:20:54.780 --> 00:20:59.180
<v Ivan>And then my TV was discontinued and they had to wind up, Well,

00:20:59.500 --> 00:21:03.120
<v Ivan>we have either a bigger model, which didn't fit in my furniture.

00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.580
<v Ivan>And I'm like, yes, Elwood can give you the bigger model. But that one doesn't fit.

00:21:09.060 --> 00:21:14.260
<v Ivan>I don't have room for that one. Well, we can give you the same size,

00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:15.620
<v Ivan>but it's a much crappier one.

00:21:15.740 --> 00:21:20.300
<v Ivan>And I'm like, don't just want to be fixed.

00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:24.840
<v Ivan>I just wanted my TV fixed. I didn't want you guys to break it.

00:21:25.800 --> 00:21:26.240
<v Sam>Yes.

00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:31.880
<v Ivan>So this kind of shit, when I go to Apple, never happens.

00:21:32.340 --> 00:21:37.080
<v Ivan>I go in, they fix it, they give it back to me, it works.

00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:43.580
<v Ivan>And I don't, here's the one thing, it's, and look, me coming from HP,

00:21:44.060 --> 00:21:47.080
<v Ivan>where we did a lot of end-user repairs.

00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:54.220
<v Ivan>And man, our end-user experience at HP for devices was horrible.

00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:58.120
<v Ivan>It was horrible. It was horrible, okay?

00:21:58.340 --> 00:21:58.480
<v Sam>Right.

00:21:58.580 --> 00:22:03.840
<v Ivan>I had people calling me, pleading, crying on the phone, begging for help to

00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:05.180
<v Ivan>get their devices fixed.

00:22:05.540 --> 00:22:09.580
<v Ivan>And then they would send in devices and they would get sent back saying repair

00:22:09.580 --> 00:22:11.800
<v Ivan>it and they didn't touch anything or fix anything.

00:22:12.380 --> 00:22:13.960
<v Ivan>And that happened often.

00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:14.620
<v Sam>Right.

00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:20.940
<v Ivan>So, yeah. So, to me, I put a lot of value in this experience,

00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:25.600
<v Ivan>which is, yep, we'll do this. Yep. We'll get it back to you.

00:22:25.800 --> 00:22:29.920
<v Ivan>Yep. Oh, oh, oh, well, we'll just swap it out. Fine.

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.640
<v Ivan>Well, you know, we have a, we have a re or, or if they think,

00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.160
<v Ivan>oh, it's too hard. No, refurb.

00:22:35.380 --> 00:22:37.760
<v Ivan>Fuck it. There you go. Have a refurb. Get out of here. Beat it.

00:22:37.860 --> 00:22:41.600
<v Ivan>Hey, you know, they don't, they don't fuck around with a customer.

00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:42.560
<v Sam>Right.

00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.180
<v Ivan>And I, and I, you know, the, the one thing is that also why I'm,

00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:48.900
<v Ivan>I'm keeping this phone and not buying one.

00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Ivan>I, I had to do something where I was going through all the Apple devices and

00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:55.180
<v Ivan>purchases that I have made,

00:22:56.100 --> 00:22:58.400
<v Ivan>Holy shit, I've bought a lot of Apple shit.

00:22:58.940 --> 00:22:59.580
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

00:23:00.060 --> 00:23:06.500
<v Ivan>I was looking through this list all of a sudden. I'm like, holy mother of God, what the fuck?

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:12.500
<v Ivan>And so I realized that I went through the amount of money I also spent the last

00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:16.680
<v Ivan>couple of years on a number of devices.

00:23:17.040 --> 00:23:18.880
<v Ivan>And I realized that it was...

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.920
<v Sam>Don't look at that. Don't add it up. No. That's a bad idea.

00:23:23.360 --> 00:23:27.060
<v Ivan>Oh, God. It was obscene. And I'm just like, oh, God, Jesus Christ.

00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.200
<v Ivan>I'm not buying anything else.

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.760
<v Sam>I thought you were going to say that given all that, you were inspired to immediately

00:23:34.760 --> 00:23:37.740
<v Sam>go into the Apple store and buy an Apple Vision.

00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.

00:23:39.860 --> 00:23:41.660
<v Sam>No, I'm not buying it. You need that.

00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.980
<v Ivan>I'm like, no, I'm like, shit.

00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:45.580
<v Sam>Vision Pro.

00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:51.100
<v Ivan>And praise my son, okay, to be the frugal one who I offered,

00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:53.080
<v Ivan>hey, you want a new phone? And he was like, no.

00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:54.680
<v Sam>And he said, no. I'm good.

00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:58.260
<v Ivan>I like this phone I'm like okay good so there you go.

00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:03.720
<v Sam>Yeah no anyway fun stuff right ready for my movies movies.

00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.700
<v Ivan>Let's go to the movies.

00:24:04.700 --> 00:24:11.160
<v Sam>Let's go to the movies okay number one at the movies first of all I will say

00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:18.180
<v Sam>like our listener Pete encouraged us all to see Superman in the theaters I.

00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.780
<v Ivan>Couldn't see fucking Superman.

00:24:19.780 --> 00:24:21.200
<v Sam>My son and.

00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:22.700
<v Ivan>My wife went.

00:24:23.620 --> 00:24:24.060
<v Sam>Without...

00:24:24.060 --> 00:24:25.020
<v Ivan>Well, yes!

00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.560
<v Sam>I was in bed.

00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Ivan>And I was out.

00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.360
<v Sam>And they were like.

00:24:28.540 --> 00:24:28.620
<v Ivan>Oh, we'll go to the movie.

00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:33.160
<v Sam>And I had told Pete said he would come on the show to talk about Superman with

00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:38.140
<v Sam>us, and I said I would talk out of order about Superman if Yvonne saw it,

00:24:38.300 --> 00:24:41.740
<v Sam>but then Yvonne hasn't seen it. So, you know, we will wait.

00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:44.820
<v Ivan>Here's what I'm going to suggest. I think that you guys need to record something

00:24:44.820 --> 00:24:49.320
<v Ivan>separately without me on Superman. I do want to see it.

00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:51.220
<v Sam>Maybe I'll talk to Pete about that.

00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, I definitely want to see it, but I'm not sure when I'm going to be able

00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.440
<v Ivan>to get to it right now, you know, in the next few weeks.

00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.180
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah.

00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:03.500
<v Ivan>But I definitely am planning to see it. Okay. I've got to figure it out.

00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.460
<v Sam>Okay, we got it. Like, you know, but.

00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Ivan>I have an assignment there to try to.

00:25:09.040 --> 00:25:12.740
<v Sam>You have an assignment. And see, it'll probably be in the theaters a while. It's doing really well.

00:25:12.820 --> 00:25:16.320
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, exactly. So, I got to make it to the theater.

00:25:16.520 --> 00:25:18.680
<v Ivan>I got to go. I got to fulfill my assignment.

00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:20.380
<v Ivan>I may have to go, like, one of

00:25:20.380 --> 00:25:23.860
<v Ivan>these days. Like I'll go like early in the afternoon and just go watch it.

00:25:24.040 --> 00:25:27.820
<v Sam>I won't say anything about the new Superman movie other than thumbs up.

00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:30.140
<v Sam>Definite thumbs up. Okay.

00:25:30.300 --> 00:25:30.720
<v Ivan>There you go.

00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Sam>But the movies I'm actually talking about today are still ones I, we're in last October.

00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:46.600
<v Sam>This one, this first one I watched October 16th, 2024, Moonrise Kingdom from 2012.

00:25:47.260 --> 00:25:48.520
<v Sam>Have you heard of it, Yvonne?

00:25:49.310 --> 00:25:51.530
<v Ivan>The name does not ring a bell.

00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:55.150
<v Sam>So I will start off by saying this is a Wes Anderson film.

00:25:55.550 --> 00:25:59.590
<v Sam>And I've reviewed other Wes Anderson films on the show before.

00:25:59.830 --> 00:26:03.950
<v Sam>And I don't believe any of them have done better than A Thumbs Sideways.

00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:06.510
<v Sam>And some of them have probably even been A Thumbs Down.

00:26:06.510 --> 00:26:08.750
<v Ivan>I don't even know who the fuck Wes Anderson is.

00:26:08.970 --> 00:26:15.750
<v Sam>So he's a director. But the thing is, his films have a very distinct style to

00:26:15.750 --> 00:26:18.230
<v Sam>them. And they're very stylized.

00:26:18.610 --> 00:26:19.350
<v Sam>Okay? Okay.

00:26:21.250 --> 00:26:27.710
<v Sam>And all of the other ones, I'm looking at his filmography and seeing which ones I've watched.

00:26:28.050 --> 00:26:30.690
<v Sam>American filmmaker. I think I've watched the Royal Tenenbaums.

00:26:31.170 --> 00:26:32.290
<v Ivan>I've heard of that one.

00:26:32.450 --> 00:26:35.350
<v Sam>I think I've watched the Grand Budapest Hotel.

00:26:37.210 --> 00:26:39.770
<v Ivan>Okay, I have watched the Grand Budapest Hotel.

00:26:39.810 --> 00:26:42.690
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. And there are a couple others here that I think I've seen.

00:26:42.710 --> 00:26:43.910
<v Ivan>Oh, Rushmore. Okay.

00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:49.490
<v Sam>I have never seen Rushmore. Really? I think, yeah, never. even though people

00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:53.490
<v Sam>tell me I look like the main character or I used to when I was younger or something like that.

00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:56.590
<v Sam>I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard...

00:26:56.590 --> 00:27:00.050
<v Ivan>I believe I saw a picture of him at their rate.

00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:05.110
<v Sam>Okay. But yeah, and I think I've seen parts of Fantastic Mr.

00:27:05.330 --> 00:27:08.110
<v Sam>Fox and Isle of Dogs, but I don't think I've seen the whole movie.

00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:11.070
<v Sam>It's sort of been like somebody else has been watching it and I've walked through the room.

00:27:11.790 --> 00:27:16.710
<v Sam>But anyway, I haven't... My general take is I don't like his style.

00:27:16.710 --> 00:27:20.190
<v Sam>I don't like his movies. He's kind of crappy.

00:27:20.930 --> 00:27:22.530
<v Sam>So, so...

00:27:22.530 --> 00:27:27.190
<v Ivan>He's kind of crappy. He's had five... He's won five Academy Awards.

00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:29.630
<v Sam>I know, like, people love these things, but I don't.

00:27:29.830 --> 00:27:30.270
<v Ivan>Five BAFTAs.

00:27:30.310 --> 00:27:30.530
<v Sam>Okay.

00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:37.650
<v Ivan>Two Golden Globes. He's had 16 Academy Award nominations, 20 BAFTA nominations, and 11 Golden Globes.

00:27:37.850 --> 00:27:40.110
<v Ivan>Okay. Tell me he's crap. Let me just put it in a different...

00:27:40.110 --> 00:27:42.070
<v Ivan>I would say, not your style.

00:27:42.270 --> 00:27:43.050
<v Sam>Not for me.

00:27:43.290 --> 00:27:44.070
<v Ivan>Not for you.

00:27:44.270 --> 00:27:44.670
<v Sam>But...

00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.220
<v Sam>I was surprised because I really enjoyed Moonrise Kingdom.

00:27:48.840 --> 00:27:49.140
<v Ivan>Oh!

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.940
<v Sam>Like, I hadn't liked any of the other of his movies I'd seen,

00:27:53.080 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Sam>but I had fun with this movie. I thought it was cool.

00:27:56.140 --> 00:27:59.180
<v Sam>It was sweet. It was sort of touching.

00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:07.020
<v Sam>It was also stylized, but in a slightly less annoying way, at least I thought so.

00:28:07.560 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Sam>I'll give you the first couple paragraphs of the plot, and I won't go beyond that for spoilers.

00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Sam>On the New England island of New Penzance, 12-year-old orphan Sam Shakuski attends

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.700
<v Sam>Camp Ivanhoe, a khaki scout summer camp led by Scoutmaster Randy Ward.

00:28:30.360 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Sam>Susie Bishop, also 12, lives on the island with her parents Walt and Laura,

00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:40.140
<v Sam>both lawyers, and her three younger brothers in a house called Summer's End.

00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:45.760
<v Sam>Sam and Susie, both introverted, intelligent, and mature for their age,

00:28:45.940 --> 00:28:54.500
<v Sam>meet in the summer of 1964 during a church performance of Noyuz Fluttle and become pen pals.

00:28:54.760 --> 00:28:58.540
<v Sam>The relationship becomes romantic over the course of their correspondence,

00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:02.820
<v Sam>and they make a secret plan to reunite and run away together.

00:29:02.820 --> 00:29:06.920
<v Sam>In September 1965, they execute their plan.

00:29:07.180 --> 00:29:12.360
<v Sam>Sam escapes from Camp Ivanhoe while Susie runs away from summer's end.

00:29:12.560 --> 00:29:17.800
<v Sam>The pair rendezvous, hike, camp, and fish in the wilderness with the goal of

00:29:17.800 --> 00:29:19.280
<v Sam>reaching a specific location.

00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:24.520
<v Sam>So maybe I like it just because the main character's name is Sam and he's a geeky 12 year old.

00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:29.340
<v Sam>I don't know. Maybe that's why I like it. And hey, that's not a bad reason.

00:29:29.520 --> 00:29:33.580
<v Sam>And he ended up like, you know, having this relationship with a geeky 12 year old girl.

00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:36.700
<v Sam>And maybe I was just like, oh, that would have been cool if it had happened

00:29:36.700 --> 00:29:38.700
<v Sam>to me. It didn't. But, you know, whatever.

00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:43.260
<v Sam>But no, you know, I just I enjoyed it.

00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:48.820
<v Sam>Like I said, it was quirky, but in a way that was less annoying to me than some of these others.

00:29:48.820 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Sam>and I just, it's sort of sweet and pulled at the emotional heartstrings at the

00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.080
<v Sam>right moments and I just liked it, you know?

00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Sam>So just cast-wise, it had Bruce Willis in it, Bill Murray, Edward Norton,

00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:12.740
<v Sam>Francis McDormand, Tilda Swinton, Jason Schwartzman, who I believe is the guy from Rushmore,

00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Sam>Bob Balaban so I don't know who Bob is I recognize most of those other names

00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:25.500
<v Sam>but and I guess the kids were Jared Gilman and Kara Hayward no idea if you know

00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:28.280
<v Sam>what else they've been in I could look it up but I'm not going to,

00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:34.560
<v Sam>anyway thumbs up and that's probably all I have to say about Moonrise Kingdom I enjoyed it alright.

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Ivan>So that's movie number one.

00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Sam>Movie number two is from the Star Wars universe It is one of the ones that I

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Sam>believe is officially no longer canon from 1985,

00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.540
<v Sam>made for television,

00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:58.120
<v Sam>the second of the two Ewok movies.

00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.800
<v Sam>This is Ewoks, the battle for Endor.

00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:03.900
<v Ivan>Oh, this doesn't sound good.

00:31:06.270 --> 00:31:12.590
<v Ivan>This sounds really bad. This gives me Christmas special vibes.

00:31:13.310 --> 00:31:19.170
<v Sam>Yes. And so it is a direct sequel to the first Ewok movie.

00:31:19.590 --> 00:31:23.490
<v Ivan>I mean, like, there shouldn't have been a first one in the first place.

00:31:25.330 --> 00:31:32.390
<v Sam>So just to say a couple words about the first Ewok movie,

00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:38.810
<v Sam>It had a family that were stranded when their Star Cruiser is wrecked,

00:31:38.870 --> 00:31:40.390
<v Sam>and they have a few adventures.

00:31:40.710 --> 00:31:45.090
<v Sam>And at the end, the family decides to stay with the Ewoks until they can repair

00:31:45.090 --> 00:31:48.390
<v Sam>their Star Cruiser. And that was the first movie.

00:31:48.670 --> 00:31:55.390
<v Sam>The second movie, let me read you the first paragraph of this one.

00:31:55.990 --> 00:31:59.550
<v Sam>Nearly six months have passed since the events of the first film.

00:31:59.550 --> 00:32:03.890
<v Sam>The Tawani family's star cruiser is almost completely fixed,

00:32:04.090 --> 00:32:07.230
<v Sam>and Jeremut is putting the final touches on the craft.

00:32:07.690 --> 00:32:11.350
<v Sam>While the family is preparing to leave the forest moon of Endor,

00:32:11.590 --> 00:32:18.570
<v Sam>the Ewok village is attacked by a marauder group led by Terak and his witch-like sorceress, Sharal.

00:32:19.190 --> 00:32:25.350
<v Sam>Many Ewoks are captured, while Jeremut, Katarina, and Mace are killed,

00:32:25.530 --> 00:32:27.550
<v Sam>helping to defend the Ewok village.

00:32:28.130 --> 00:32:33.970
<v Sam>Basically, the entire family from the first movie, except for one surviving child, is killed.

00:32:33.970 --> 00:32:34.650
<v Ivan>It gets wiped out.

00:32:34.810 --> 00:32:37.330
<v Sam>Nice! It gets wiped out and killed in the first few minutes.

00:32:37.390 --> 00:32:39.570
<v Ivan>Ah, sounds really nice.

00:32:39.770 --> 00:32:43.430
<v Sam>The Marauders steal a power cell from the Tawani Star Cruise are believing it

00:32:43.430 --> 00:32:46.070
<v Sam>to have some sort of magic power over the stars.

00:32:46.070 --> 00:32:48.910
<v Sam>and so this movie is

00:32:48.910 --> 00:32:54.530
<v Sam>about the one surviving child from that family plus one ewok wicket the ewok

00:32:54.530 --> 00:33:01.650
<v Sam>and their adventures to like get away from the marauders and eventually you

00:33:01.650 --> 00:33:08.330
<v Sam>know do whatever and so i won't give spoilers but let's just say,

00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Sam>Your intuition is correct.

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:22.600
<v Sam>It, it, apparently, like, I, I was, I'm looking at the Wikipedia page and was surprised.

00:33:23.780 --> 00:33:28.560
<v Sam>Positive. It, it, it did get, like, Emmy nominations.

00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Ivan>Okay, but for what?

00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:33.260
<v Sam>Well, one of them was for special effects.

00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Ivan>Okay, yeah, all right.

00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:42.540
<v Sam>Now, having said that, watching this 1985 movie from a 2025 perspective,

00:33:43.060 --> 00:33:50.360
<v Sam>the special effects were very 1985 television movie special effects.

00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:51.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, which are not good.

00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:52.800
<v Sam>Not even Star Wars special effects.

00:33:52.860 --> 00:33:53.880
<v Ivan>Right, which are not good.

00:33:54.100 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, like, you know, this was after Return of the Jedi and all that.

00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:01.380
<v Sam>You know, Return of the Jedi had good effects even back then.

00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:08.100
<v Ivan>Sure, but that was a very expensive theatrical production versus a made-for-TV film.

00:34:15.700 --> 00:34:20.580
<v Sam>So it got an Emmy for special effects, and it got two nominations for Outstanding

00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:25.500
<v Sam>Children's Program and Outstanding Sound Mixing.

00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:31.620
<v Ivan>So let me get this straight. The two nominations really are for the sound,

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.300
<v Ivan>for the special effects.

00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.160
<v Sam>Sound, special effects, and Outstanding Children's Program.

00:34:37.180 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Ivan>And somehow it entertained kids.

00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:39.780
<v Sam>Yes.

00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:44.500
<v Ivan>Yeah, because you have great sound in the special effects, which that actually entertains kids.

00:34:45.120 --> 00:34:47.740
<v Sam>I guess so. Right.

00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:48.540
<v Ivan>Makes sense.

00:34:49.100 --> 00:34:52.720
<v Sam>Anyway, it was dumb. It was really dumb.

00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:58.540
<v Sam>The first Ewok special, I mean, we're not talking, you know, holiday special dumb.

00:34:59.720 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Sam>Nothing can even approach that. Nothing in the universe can approach how dumb that was.

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.740
<v Sam>But they were both dumb. And your reaction of like, did this really need to

00:35:10.740 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Sam>be made is, I think, the right thing.

00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.620
<v Sam>Now, of course, this is like post-Return of the Jedi, you know,

00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:21.500
<v Sam>Lucas cashing in some more, you know?

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:26.320
<v Sam>So I guess in that sense, it needed to be done.

00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:31.900
<v Sam>You know, George wanted some more money, you know?

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:35.220
<v Ivan>George has.

00:35:35.420 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Sam>Did I say Attack of the... I said post-Return of the Jedi, right?

00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:40.120
<v Sam>I didn't screw up the movies.

00:35:40.120 --> 00:35:40.860
<v Ivan>Right, post-Return of the Jedi.

00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:41.120
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.620
<v Ivan>Here's one thing.

00:35:43.620 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Sam>So wait, let me say, this is the last of the television slash movies from after

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.100
<v Sam>Return of the Jedi before The Phantom Menace. And I have now watched all of them.

00:35:55.580 --> 00:35:57.740
<v Sam>Caravan of Courage and Ewok Adventure.

00:35:59.100 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Sam>Also the droids cartoon series and the Ewoks cartoon series and now the second Ewok movie.

00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Sam>All four of these things are regrettable.

00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.220
<v Ivan>So here's the thing, right? You said, you know, George Lucas,

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:18.600
<v Ivan>you know, needing to make a buck, right?

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Ivan>And the one thing is, I heard George Lucas somehow, like, talk recently,

00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Ivan>say in the last decade, okay?

00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.180
<v Sam>Since he sold.

00:36:30.660 --> 00:36:36.780
<v Ivan>Since he sold, talking about, somehow about, it sounded like about the evil

00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:40.540
<v Ivan>of money and blah, whatever, right?

00:36:40.540 --> 00:36:46.900
<v Ivan>And I'm like, you know, every guy paid billions, okay, right, to sell this, right?

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:53.500
<v Ivan>And I see him doing that movie with just a fucking money grab.

00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:59.040
<v Ivan>I'm like, look, don't give me that shit. Just don't give me that shit.

00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:04.940
<v Ivan>Because, I mean, you over and over did money grabs, you know, just for money grabs.

00:37:04.940 --> 00:37:10.980
<v Ivan>so don't go now and like tell me all you know you know the evil of the buddy

00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:17.520
<v Ivan>or whatever would you know it's like i mean you know come on what were episodes

00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:21.200
<v Ivan>one two and three hey i mean people were clamoring.

00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:24.520
<v Sam>The where's the rest where the rest you said there would be nine movies where

00:37:24.520 --> 00:37:27.460
<v Sam>the rest he he had to do it right yeah.

00:37:27.460 --> 00:37:30.780
<v Ivan>He you know he didn't

00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:33.500
<v Ivan>have to i i will say that at the end

00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:39.520
<v Ivan>they turned out good okay i i say that overall it turned out well you know there's

00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:45.080
<v Ivan>the i mean i think you know i i think if you poll people on average i think

00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:50.940
<v Ivan>it turned out well well this is one of the it's not hated i mean this is you

00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:52.700
<v Ivan>know they're well like here.

00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:59.020
<v Sam>Well here's the thing on them like a lot of the people who saw the original

00:37:59.020 --> 00:38:01.540
<v Sam>trilogy in the theaters as children.

00:38:01.540 --> 00:38:02.680
<v Ivan>Right and.

00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:09.210
<v Sam>Were not liking the prequel trilogy and gave it a lot of hate,

00:38:09.370 --> 00:38:11.170
<v Sam>especially episode one.

00:38:12.670 --> 00:38:15.130
<v Ivan>But I'm talking about overall.

00:38:15.470 --> 00:38:21.850
<v Sam>No, no, I know. The overall audience. No, but what I'm saying is that those people who wanted,

00:38:23.050 --> 00:38:28.610
<v Sam>who grew up with Star Wars and wanted new Star Wars for them as adults tended

00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:30.490
<v Sam>to be disappointed with the prequels.

00:38:30.910 --> 00:38:35.670
<v Sam>But, and I've heard interviews with like the cast members of the prequels about

00:38:35.670 --> 00:38:42.410
<v Sam>this, where they talk about how they felt bad because of all the negative reaction

00:38:42.410 --> 00:38:44.250
<v Sam>they got when the movies first came out.

00:38:44.390 --> 00:38:51.690
<v Sam>But now, you know, 20 plus years later, they get people coming up to them,

00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:56.230
<v Sam>telling them how important those movies were to them when they were kids.

00:38:56.230 --> 00:38:56.830
<v Ivan>Were kids!

00:38:57.130 --> 00:39:01.610
<v Sam>Because one of the things that George Lucas did that specifically annoyed people,

00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:03.590
<v Sam>And this was a little bit less in episode three.

00:39:03.790 --> 00:39:06.230
<v Sam>It got less and less as you went through one, two and three,

00:39:06.770 --> 00:39:12.510
<v Sam>but he specifically set out and said, I am not making these movies for the people

00:39:12.510 --> 00:39:15.310
<v Sam>who were kids for episodes.

00:39:15.330 --> 00:39:16.450
<v Ivan>In 1970s.

00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:21.910
<v Sam>In the late 1970s, early 1980s for the first three movies. I'm making this for

00:39:21.910 --> 00:39:23.450
<v Sam>the people who are kids now.

00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:28.210
<v Sam>And that disappointed a lot of people, but you know, it is what it is.

00:39:28.210 --> 00:39:33.150
<v Ivan>Like I said, look, they had, you know, Overall, they had a good reception.

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:37.530
<v Ivan>I mean, think about this. Bitching about Star Wars Episode I,

00:39:37.990 --> 00:39:41.110
<v Ivan>you know how much that fucking movie grossed what the box office was?

00:39:41.970 --> 00:39:44.510
<v Ivan>$1.1 billion, Sam!

00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:46.210
<v Sam>Yes. Yeah, yeah.

00:39:46.690 --> 00:39:49.530
<v Ivan>It's not a failure by any stretch.

00:39:49.930 --> 00:39:55.550
<v Sam>I remember lining up and seeing it with my whole family. I don't remember if

00:39:55.550 --> 00:40:00.990
<v Sam>we did it on opening day, but we certainly did it within the first week and it being a major event.

00:40:00.990 --> 00:40:06.930
<v Ivan>I will say this. You know, I do think it was a money grab, but at the same time,

00:40:06.930 --> 00:40:11.730
<v Ivan>I watched all three, and I grew up watching those. I liked them.

00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:15.550
<v Ivan>Other than, you know, look, we should have.

00:40:15.690 --> 00:40:20.330
<v Sam>I mean, struck our face. Well, you grew up watching the prequel series? That's like 1999.

00:40:20.330 --> 00:40:23.330
<v Ivan>No, no, no, but I grew up with the original.

00:40:23.530 --> 00:40:24.990
<v Sam>Oh, and you still like the new ones.

00:40:24.990 --> 00:40:30.550
<v Ivan>And I still like the new ones, is what I'm saying, okay? I, you know, I'm not that...

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:38.900
<v Ivan>I am not that, like, how do I say?

00:40:39.940 --> 00:40:44.080
<v Ivan>I don't get, like, bogged down with, oh, my God, it wasn't like whatever.

00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Ivan>For example, like, I think you and I have talked about this,

00:40:46.340 --> 00:40:47.640
<v Ivan>and I think we disagree on this.

00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:54.040
<v Ivan>I liked the new Star Trek movies with, you know, J.J.

00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Ivan>Abrams. I liked them very much.

00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Sam>Yeah, my sense on those was I was not, I didn't hate them, but I was sufficiently

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Sam>unimpressed that I never bothered watching the last one.

00:41:08.640 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Ivan>I, I, I, you see, I'm different.

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Ivan>I actually liked them very much. As a matter of fact, I will say that they were

00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Ivan>much better than the last few of the, you know, the next generation motion picture ones.

00:41:24.120 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Sam>Okay.

00:41:25.160 --> 00:41:26.580
<v Ivan>Much better. Okay.

00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:30.140
<v Sam>I will eventually get to all of these two. I'm working my way through the,

00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:35.480
<v Sam>as, as you see, i'm working my way slowly through the star wars i'm also slowly

00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Sam>working my way through the star truck and i will you know eventually.

00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Ivan>As much as i love the the next generation

00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:51.340
<v Ivan>cast the movies were man they weren't great you know they were okay anyway but

00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:56.680
<v Ivan>and i and i and i'm like what that i found and and i and look they didn't do

00:41:56.680 --> 00:41:59.700
<v Ivan>well in the box office either the last one they there was a large hiatus,

00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Ivan>you know, getting to the J.J.

00:42:01.540 --> 00:42:06.700
<v Ivan>Abrams ones because the last one of that group did poorly. Right.

00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:12.200
<v Sam>So anyway, I'm going to say thumbs down for Ewoks, the battle event for Endor.

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:17.140
<v Sam>Right. The only reason to watch this is if you are being a completist and trying

00:42:17.140 --> 00:42:20.220
<v Sam>to watch all Star Wars ever made. That is the only reason.

00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Ivan>Otherwise, let's just say, fuck the Ewoks, and that's it.

00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:30.980
<v Sam>Yes. All right, good. And so let's, let's take a break and then we can start

00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:34.860
<v Sam>talking about news, this stuff going on.

00:42:36.140 --> 00:42:41.160
<v Sam>Like now I will say I, this came up in the random rotation last time,

00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:45.180
<v Sam>but I saved it for this week, Yvonne, because this is a new break.

00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:50.120
<v Sam>It is actually something that was recorded years ago at this time.

00:42:50.500 --> 00:42:57.100
<v Sam>My son had me do this and he's actually got remixes of it, but this is just the raw audio.

00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.500
<v Sam>And it's very, very short. It is the shortest break we have.

00:43:02.700 --> 00:43:08.580
<v Sam>It's like less than 30 seconds, but I saved it so that we could get your reaction.

00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:09.860
<v Ivan>All right, break it.

00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.240
<v Sam>Okay. Okay.

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Ivan>You can tell your son that I'm alive.

00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Break>I want to be.

00:43:35.730 --> 00:43:39.790
<v Sam>And that's it. Did you enjoy that, Yvonne?

00:43:39.990 --> 00:43:45.010
<v Sam>For those of you who can't see him, he's cracking.

00:43:48.450 --> 00:43:51.850
<v Ivan>All I'm going to say that is post-production, you got to turn down the volume

00:43:51.850 --> 00:43:54.410
<v Ivan>a little bit on that for people.

00:43:55.110 --> 00:43:59.590
<v Sam>Oh, it'll, everything gets leveled. So don't worry. Did I blow out your ears?

00:43:59.710 --> 00:44:00.910
<v Sam>I apologize if I blew out.

00:44:00.930 --> 00:44:01.630
<v Ivan>It was loud.

00:44:04.270 --> 00:44:07.630
<v Ivan>especially the the tick talking you know

00:44:07.630 --> 00:44:11.210
<v Ivan>talk yes okay i

00:44:11.210 --> 00:44:13.810
<v Ivan>want to be under the tree well yes you want to

00:44:13.810 --> 00:44:17.650
<v Ivan>be under the tree all right so what the fuck are we going to talk about first

00:44:17.650 --> 00:44:23.550
<v Ivan>okay well uh you know what yes i'm gonna give a news update on something that

00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:27.950
<v Ivan>isn't on the list which i forgot to put in oh okay yes i'm gonna write it down

00:44:27.950 --> 00:44:32.270
<v Ivan>right now just so okay keep track Okay.

00:44:32.830 --> 00:44:37.330
<v Ivan>Well, last Friday, as I was lying down sick,

00:44:38.750 --> 00:44:45.350
<v Ivan>the India Air Investigations Bureau released their preliminary findings on the

00:44:45.350 --> 00:44:49.970
<v Ivan>crash of the 787 in India. Okay.

00:44:50.310 --> 00:44:55.850
<v Ivan>And one thing is that leading up to that, a number of people had been very concerned

00:44:55.850 --> 00:45:00.690
<v Ivan>whether they were going to even release the report publicly.

00:45:01.830 --> 00:45:06.350
<v Ivan>The reason is that the day before,

00:45:06.890 --> 00:45:15.230
<v Ivan>a very reputable source had indicated that there was evidence gathered that

00:45:15.230 --> 00:45:20.310
<v Ivan>showed that the reason why the plane crashed is because somebody flipped off

00:45:20.310 --> 00:45:23.250
<v Ivan>the fuel right after takeoff.

00:45:23.790 --> 00:45:27.270
<v Ivan>There's two fuel switches and they got shut off.

00:45:27.730 --> 00:45:33.410
<v Sam>Right. And from all sorts of videos and stuff I've seen, it is very,

00:45:33.630 --> 00:45:36.170
<v Sam>it is hard to move these switches.

00:45:36.350 --> 00:45:39.090
<v Sam>It is designed so it can't be done accidentally.

00:45:39.650 --> 00:45:46.310
<v Ivan>Correct. The switches are made so you just can't bump them and you turn them off.

00:45:46.410 --> 00:45:51.590
<v Ivan>You actually have to literally physically pull on the switch to lift it and

00:45:51.590 --> 00:45:54.250
<v Ivan>then move it and then put it back down.

00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:01.030
<v Ivan>So you have to exert an outward force to pull it out of the thing,

00:46:01.310 --> 00:46:03.870
<v Ivan>okay, in order for it to unlock. Right.

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:13.670
<v Ivan>India has had a history of covering up accidents and the causes, okay?

00:46:13.890 --> 00:46:19.550
<v Ivan>Especially when it comes to pilot error or something like this. Or a suicide, okay?

00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:27.430
<v Ivan>A long time ago, an Air India jet was intentionally crashed by the cockpit crew, okay?

00:46:27.830 --> 00:46:28.310
<v Sam>Right.

00:46:28.430 --> 00:46:35.550
<v Ivan>Over the Atlantic. And the Indian government decided to dispute that finding.

00:46:35.870 --> 00:46:42.770
<v Ivan>They didn't, they, even though the evidence was very clear that the,

00:46:42.770 --> 00:46:49.390
<v Ivan>that, that the plane was intentionally crashed, they, they disputed that.

00:46:49.570 --> 00:46:53.290
<v Ivan>And they said, they, they actually sent out a different finding.

00:46:53.450 --> 00:46:56.770
<v Ivan>This was, this is a crash that happened 1985.

00:46:57.370 --> 00:46:58.090
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:46:58.690 --> 00:47:01.570
<v Ivan>There's an Air India 747, okay?

00:47:02.410 --> 00:47:05.690
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no. I got the wrong one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

00:47:06.730 --> 00:47:08.090
<v Sam>You should be ashamed.

00:47:08.530 --> 00:47:12.210
<v Ivan>I'm sorry. Ah, no. Oh, God.

00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.520
<v Ivan>Where, hang on, hang on. Oh, God.

00:47:18.020 --> 00:47:23.680
<v Ivan>I had it here and I let it, well, I don't have it here, but right now.

00:47:23.780 --> 00:47:26.940
<v Ivan>But it was, it happened a long time ago.

00:47:27.140 --> 00:47:32.300
<v Ivan>And they've disputed the, they disputed the findings, okay? It's happened like before.

00:47:33.020 --> 00:47:38.060
<v Ivan>You know, you cover it up. You don't want to show that the pilots are, or that they're pilots.

00:47:38.200 --> 00:47:42.880
<v Ivan>They'd rather blame the foreign aircraft for a crash. So we're concerned whether

00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:43.680
<v Ivan>that was going to be released.

00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.900
<v Ivan>By the way, the preliminary report that they also released was actually very thin.

00:47:48.500 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Ivan>I mean, they didn't actually even say it because they did say in the report,

00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.220
<v Ivan>they did confirm that it was a fuel switches that got turned off.

00:47:58.580 --> 00:48:02.500
<v Ivan>OK, right. But they didn't say who said it.

00:48:02.620 --> 00:48:05.740
<v Ivan>And by the way, the way that the microphones and everything is in there in 30

00:48:05.740 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Ivan>days, you could figure out which who said it.

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:13.500
<v Ivan>OK, based on the location of the microphones, it did come out later that it

00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:18.040
<v Ivan>was the it was it was the the person that asked, hey, did you turn off the fuel?

00:48:19.080 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Ivan>Was the co-pilot, OK, who had the least amount of experience,

00:48:22.560 --> 00:48:25.160
<v Ivan>but he was the pilot in command. He was the one that was flying.

00:48:25.900 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Ivan>The captain was the one was the one that was monitoring at the time.

00:48:29.240 --> 00:48:32.600
<v Ivan>And so he asked them, hey, did you shut off the fuel? And he's like, no.

00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Ivan>And then a few seconds later, they restarted the fuel. But at that critical

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Ivan>moment in flight, there's just no way to survive that.

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Ivan>You can't just, you know, when you, when you, when you do that intentionally.

00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:53.100
<v Ivan>So somebody intentionally crashed this plane for what reason, who knows?

00:48:53.380 --> 00:48:58.420
<v Ivan>They haven't given any further details on the, on the crew on board or anything,

00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:05.680
<v Ivan>but, but, you know, but yeah, I mean, this was, this was an intentional crash, unfortunately.

00:49:06.700 --> 00:49:09.780
<v Ivan>There's no doubt about that at this point.

00:49:10.740 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Sam>Yeah. And I mean, you mentioned sort of the critical part of the flight,

00:49:16.040 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Sam>but bottom line, if the person in control of the plane wants to crash it or

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.040
<v Sam>kill it, it's hard to stop that.

00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:31.870
<v Sam>Now, you know, you do potentially have two people up there in certain other parts of the flight.

00:49:32.030 --> 00:49:35.790
<v Sam>Maybe you could subdue the guy trying to do something bad. But bottom line,

00:49:35.930 --> 00:49:41.470
<v Sam>if the person in control wants something bad to happen, they can make something bad happen.

00:49:41.510 --> 00:49:47.710
<v Ivan>Yes, absolutely. And the thing is, like I said, in a critical part of flight,

00:49:47.890 --> 00:49:49.670
<v Ivan>which is the problem, OK,

00:49:50.150 --> 00:49:55.950
<v Ivan>you know, there was there was a recent incident by a Horizon Airlines crew member

00:49:55.950 --> 00:49:59.210
<v Ivan>that was that was there were a pilot, but they were off duty.

00:49:59.410 --> 00:50:05.710
<v Ivan>That was in the jump seat in in a commuter plane somewhere in your area.

00:50:06.010 --> 00:50:06.890
<v Sam>Yeah, I remember that.

00:50:06.890 --> 00:50:11.010
<v Ivan>And this guy apparently had gotten high on psychedelics and other things.

00:50:11.170 --> 00:50:12.890
<v Ivan>He had had something that happened to him.

00:50:13.050 --> 00:50:15.630
<v Ivan>And in the middle of flight, he tried to shut down the engines.

00:50:16.250 --> 00:50:20.650
<v Ivan>In the middle of flight. Now, the reality is that where they were in flight,

00:50:20.870 --> 00:50:23.250
<v Ivan>it was something that was recoverable. Okay?

00:50:23.490 --> 00:50:27.910
<v Ivan>The other two crew members were there. He was subdued. They took care of him.

00:50:27.970 --> 00:50:30.950
<v Ivan>And they were able to recover from the incident.

00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:36.770
<v Ivan>But, you know, a cruise, yeah, it's something that you could do something about.

00:50:36.890 --> 00:50:40.530
<v Ivan>But unfortunately, you got time to do something.

00:50:40.750 --> 00:50:46.450
<v Ivan>OK, but I mean, damn it. You know, when you are at that critical moment on takeoff,

00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:48.930
<v Ivan>I mean, you cut off the fuel. There's just not enough.

00:50:50.110 --> 00:50:57.230
<v Ivan>There's just not enough time to do anything. Just not enough time. Not enough time.

00:50:58.010 --> 00:51:03.230
<v Ivan>So, by the way, I'm confusing an Egypt air crash with an Air India crash.

00:51:03.390 --> 00:51:03.710
<v Sam>OK.

00:51:04.050 --> 00:51:04.230
<v Ivan>All right.

00:51:04.370 --> 00:51:04.590
<v Sam>Yes.

00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:08.330
<v Ivan>That was one that was a suicide over the Atlantic.

00:51:08.470 --> 00:51:13.570
<v Ivan>So my apologies that I confused it. But in the past, there had been a reputation

00:51:13.570 --> 00:51:18.530
<v Ivan>by Air India of covering up causes for pilot mistakes. Okay.

00:51:18.790 --> 00:51:23.330
<v Ivan>So there was some talk about that. And so there was some concern whether they

00:51:23.330 --> 00:51:28.790
<v Ivan>actually would be as open about what happened. And so, but they...

00:51:30.190 --> 00:51:34.650
<v Ivan>But they, look, they issued a report, you know, and we got the information.

00:51:35.590 --> 00:51:39.310
<v Ivan>And so, you know, thankfully, we know what happened.

00:51:39.510 --> 00:51:47.150
<v Ivan>I guess, listen, I'll tell you, the place where everybody sighed a big relief was at Boeing.

00:51:48.330 --> 00:51:49.810
<v Sam>Because it wasn't a mechanical failure.

00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:55.110
<v Ivan>Yeah, because with all the bad news they've had, the last thing they needed

00:51:55.110 --> 00:51:59.830
<v Ivan>is a fucking 787 having some kind of serious issue.

00:52:00.190 --> 00:52:06.170
<v Ivan>right now but but no but thankfully they they probably they were like oh god

00:52:06.170 --> 00:52:12.010
<v Ivan>they they they sighed relief and they said they were like oh gosh it's not it's

00:52:12.010 --> 00:52:13.970
<v Ivan>it's not our fault thank god,

00:52:14.710 --> 00:52:20.910
<v Ivan>you know but but this is a terrible crash i mean it's just shit i mean there's

00:52:20.910 --> 00:52:26.970
<v Ivan>just yeah i'm a shot and nobody had i mean the the guy that survived it's still

00:52:26.970 --> 00:52:31.190
<v Ivan>the most stunning thing It's one guy. He just walked out.

00:52:31.750 --> 00:52:34.910
<v Sam>For a little while, people were being like, that has to be a fraud,

00:52:35.010 --> 00:52:38.590
<v Sam>right? He wasn't really. But no, he did. He walked away.

00:52:38.850 --> 00:52:45.370
<v Ivan>He walked away. Crazy. This one guy just walked away.

00:52:45.770 --> 00:52:46.230
<v Sam>Right.

00:52:46.710 --> 00:52:52.930
<v Ivan>So anyway, I just want to give the update that we at least know what happened. We don't know why.

00:52:53.690 --> 00:52:58.290
<v Ivan>But look, I mean, we had, you know, the one of the aircraft crashes has also

00:52:58.290 --> 00:53:00.010
<v Ivan>been suspected to a pilot like

00:53:00.010 --> 00:53:05.310
<v Ivan>intentionally crashing a plane is that a Malaysia 777 that disappeared.

00:53:05.930 --> 00:53:10.110
<v Sam>Right. And still hasn't been found decades later.

00:53:10.290 --> 00:53:12.470
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, we found pieces of it.

00:53:12.630 --> 00:53:13.110
<v Sam>Yes.

00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:14.050
<v Ivan>That's it.

00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:18.900
<v Ivan>But it became pretty clear through the investigation that this was intentionally

00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:24.640
<v Ivan>done by the captain, if I remember correctly, on that flight.

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.780
<v Ivan>So, you know, there have been safeguards and things.

00:53:30.940 --> 00:53:35.180
<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, there was a recent incident that happened where a Lufthansa

00:53:35.180 --> 00:53:38.500
<v Ivan>flight, one of the crew members went to the bathroom.

00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:40.900
<v Sam>And then they locked him out.

00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Ivan>Right? Well, they didn't lock him out. The other pilot suffered some,

00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.860
<v Ivan>some, uh, uh, he, he had a, he had a seizure.

00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:52.020
<v Ivan>This was the last month or so.

00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Sam>Okay.

00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:53.680
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:53:54.020 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Sam>This is a different one than I was thinking.

00:53:55.060 --> 00:53:58.900
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're thinking about German wings. No, this is like in the

00:53:58.900 --> 00:54:01.380
<v Ivan>last month because there was this crash.

00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:04.160
<v Ivan>It was a German wings, which is a Lufthansa subsidiary where,

00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:08.120
<v Ivan>where, where, where, where the co-pilot went and like intentionally slammed

00:54:08.120 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Ivan>the plane on the ground. Okay.

00:54:09.540 --> 00:54:11.700
<v Ivan>You know, well, well, the guy was on a restroom break. Okay.

00:54:11.700 --> 00:54:16.100
<v Ivan>And there was a debate in Europe about what the correct procedure should be

00:54:16.100 --> 00:54:20.240
<v Ivan>when, you know, to not leave just one person in the cockpit.

00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Ivan>There's been a lot of arguments. They wound up basically defaulting. Now it's fine.

00:54:24.940 --> 00:54:30.500
<v Ivan>We, you know, they went back to just having one person in the cockpit at this point.

00:54:31.640 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Ivan>But they had debated whether at least like a flight attendant or somebody should

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.580
<v Ivan>be in there with a person. Just so you don't leave them alone. Okay.

00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.620
<v Ivan>So this guy went to the bathroom. The other guy had a seizure.

00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Ivan>And all of a sudden he was like, the plane was actually, while he was having

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.620
<v Ivan>the seizure, he started involuntarily pressing on the rudder pedal.

00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.180
<v Ivan>It wasn't disabling the autopilot, but the plane was steering,

00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:01.300
<v Ivan>was going off course. Okay?

00:55:02.380 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Ivan>The other guy's trying to get in, trying to get in. And apparently,

00:55:06.080 --> 00:55:11.780
<v Ivan>if the person now is, say, incapacitated, okay, the lockout,

00:55:11.980 --> 00:55:16.120
<v Ivan>because there is a lockout that the crew could reject that person.

00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Ivan>But if it's by incapacitation, after they put in the code, if that person doesn't

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Ivan>reject it, the door will open.

00:55:22.560 --> 00:55:22.900
<v Sam>Okay?

00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Ivan>Because they'll assume, hey, if he's not replying, it's because he's incapacitated.

00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:33.600
<v Ivan>The door will pop open. But before that, apparently, the guy started recovering

00:55:33.600 --> 00:55:37.500
<v Ivan>from whatever seizure he had enough that he could open the door.

00:55:38.260 --> 00:55:42.580
<v Ivan>And so the other crew member was able to come in and, like, land the plane,

00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:44.380
<v Ivan>do an emergency landing and so forth.

00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:49.980
<v Ivan>But it went back now that obviously the airlines are debating as to what the

00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:56.420
<v Ivan>hell do we do in this instance and not leaving a single crew member alone.

00:55:57.460 --> 00:56:00.820
<v Ivan>But even in the Air India case, it wasn't a matter. or they were both right

00:56:00.820 --> 00:56:05.060
<v Ivan>there. One of them, for some fucking reason, decided to...

00:56:06.670 --> 00:56:08.830
<v Ivan>crashed a plane right on takeoff.

00:56:09.390 --> 00:56:13.750
<v Sam>So the answer to all these questions, Yvonne, is obviously full automation.

00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:15.570
<v Sam>No humans in the cockpit at all.

00:56:15.770 --> 00:56:21.770
<v Ivan>So we'll put XAI Grok at the wheel, and that will solve the problems.

00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:22.790
<v Sam>Exactly.

00:56:23.350 --> 00:56:25.770
<v Ivan>I'm sure that, you know, he'll be fine.

00:56:26.710 --> 00:56:34.170
<v Sam>Hey, you know, it's an easier problem than self-driving in many ways.

00:56:34.210 --> 00:56:38.170
<v Ivan>It is an easier problem. Listen, flying by itself is definitely easier.

00:56:38.170 --> 00:56:43.930
<v Sam>You already have situations where an autopilot can do the entire flight from beginning to end.

00:56:44.050 --> 00:56:44.710
<v Ivan>That is correct.

00:56:44.790 --> 00:56:45.830
<v Sam>Under certain situations.

00:56:46.350 --> 00:56:52.170
<v Ivan>That is correct. At the correct airports, the correct places. Yes, that is correct.

00:56:52.770 --> 00:56:58.670
<v Ivan>I will say that, yes, actually having the aircraft on full automation.

00:56:58.850 --> 00:57:01.810
<v Ivan>I mean, and right now, in large part, they are.

00:57:02.410 --> 00:57:02.690
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:57:02.690 --> 00:57:08.290
<v Ivan>I mean, once takeoff is complete, usually, I mean, the planes are basically

00:57:08.290 --> 00:57:13.130
<v Ivan>set on autopilot, they have the waypoint set, and here you go, off on your way.

00:57:14.300 --> 00:57:21.540
<v Sam>Okay, so that wasn't like a full segment, so I'm going to ask you to pick another

00:57:21.540 --> 00:57:23.640
<v Sam>topic before we take a break and do my stuff.

00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:30.080
<v Sam>But I will mention, we do have a comment on the live stream from someone who

00:57:30.080 --> 00:57:32.160
<v Sam>is marked as a number one fan.

00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:33.340
<v Ivan>Oh boy.

00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:34.860
<v Sam>It's my son.

00:57:35.220 --> 00:57:35.700
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:57:36.080 --> 00:57:38.740
<v Sam>He says, screw GPT demands justice.

00:57:39.700 --> 00:57:44.620
<v Ivan>Well, we'll send him to justice. Does that include the electric chair or something like that?

00:57:45.140 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Sam>I said, of course, justice someday.

00:57:48.700 --> 00:57:50.600
<v Ivan>Yes, we'll meet out justice, all right.

00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:55.860
<v Sam>Screw GPT is, of course, his custom GPT that he wants to co-host one day instead of you.

00:57:57.160 --> 00:58:01.880
<v Sam>He thinks it's, I guess, an improvement over the Yvonne GPT I did before.

00:58:02.160 --> 00:58:05.380
<v Sam>My feeling on this is, like, we did that experiment once.

00:58:05.580 --> 00:58:09.620
<v Sam>We can wait, like, at least a full year for the technology to advance further

00:58:09.620 --> 00:58:10.700
<v Sam>before trying that again.

00:58:11.220 --> 00:58:12.940
<v Ivan>That would be nice. Yeah. Okay. All right.

00:58:13.060 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Sam>All right. Okay. So, next time.

00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:18.780
<v Ivan>Okay. So, second thing. Well, because we did talk about that this week hasn't

00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:21.080
<v Ivan>been as tariff heavy as last week.

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.720
<v Ivan>Okay. So, we'll talk about a little bit about, okay, so we've been getting all

00:58:24.720 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Ivan>these tariff letters, Sam.

00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:31.080
<v Sam>Okay. So, then, just to put it out there, since you're doing tariffs now,

00:58:31.180 --> 00:58:36.020
<v Sam>when we get to my segment, we're going to talk about all the Epstein crap again

00:58:36.020 --> 00:58:39.120
<v Sam>and maybe some of Donald Trump health stuff.

00:58:39.660 --> 00:58:40.060
<v Ivan>Epstein?

00:58:40.060 --> 00:58:41.120
<v Sam>I don't know. Some guy.

00:58:41.720 --> 00:58:46.720
<v Ivan>Oh, okay. All right. Sam, I think we got all these tariffs. It's all done, right?

00:58:47.140 --> 00:58:51.160
<v Sam>Well, like I was saying in the first segment, like you're complaining about

00:58:51.160 --> 00:58:53.080
<v Sam>like it being hard to make sales.

00:58:53.540 --> 00:58:55.940
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. All I got to do is send a letter.

00:58:56.720 --> 00:58:56.860
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:58:57.380 --> 00:59:02.600
<v Ivan>Yeah. I don't know. The last week, it's just Brazil.

00:59:04.560 --> 00:59:10.260
<v Ivan>Brazil got 50% tariffs. Even though the U.S. has a trade surplus with Brazil.

00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Sam>But there's obviously an emergency situation there that has to be dealt with.

00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.460
<v Ivan>Yes, because they're prosecuting the president to try to basically topple the government.

00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:25.720
<v Ivan>Look, I am not a fan of the current president of Brazil either.

00:59:26.220 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Ivan>The current president of Brazil was actually convicted and thrown in jail for bribery.

00:59:33.560 --> 00:59:38.200
<v Ivan>There's recordings where he accepted the fucking bribes. Okay?

00:59:38.680 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Sam>Is this a problem, Yvonne? You seem upset.

00:59:42.060 --> 00:59:45.140
<v Ivan>According to Trump, no. You know, here's the thing.

00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:53.420
<v Ivan>Considering that, you know, he is also a fellow bribe, you know,

00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Ivan>accepting man. I figured Trump should like him.

00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.220
<v Ivan>He should like Lula. I mean, what the hell?

00:59:59.620 --> 01:00:00.860
<v Sam>He likes the other one better.

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:08.260
<v Ivan>You know, yeah. So Bolsonaro. So, yeah, he decided that he's imposing 50% tariffs

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:10.300
<v Ivan>on Brazil. I don't know, man.

01:00:10.520 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, he's sending tariffs to, I mean, and, you know,

01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.040
<v Ivan>with these letters that are, you know, we complained about how ChatGPT calculated

01:00:20.040 --> 01:00:24.020
<v Ivan>the tariffs, right? Because this is dumb.

01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Ivan>I think ChatGPT would have written better letters.

01:00:28.680 --> 01:00:29.160
<v Sam>Okay.

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Ivan>I mean, because these letters were written by somebody who basically stopped

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:37.220
<v Ivan>using crayons a short time ago, as far as I can tell.

01:00:39.290 --> 01:00:46.370
<v Ivan>I mean, they're, they're, they're just, it, there's no, he talks about negotiations.

01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:53.770
<v Ivan>There's no negotiations. There's just ultimatums, you know, Canada 30, 20.

01:00:54.030 --> 01:01:00.150
<v Ivan>And, and, and everything is the only thing that I could see about these announcements.

01:01:00.150 --> 01:01:03.210
<v Ivan>It's all, it's all predicated on him

01:01:03.210 --> 01:01:06.750
<v Ivan>basically just grabbing attention every

01:01:06.750 --> 01:01:10.070
<v Ivan>day and trying to just steer attention away from epstein

01:01:10.070 --> 01:01:17.430
<v Ivan>away from the floods away from whatever unpopular thing that may be going on

01:01:17.430 --> 01:01:23.410
<v Ivan>at the moment well just steer attention to him because well listen he just likes

01:01:23.410 --> 01:01:26.810
<v Ivan>chaos and all of them are just about yeah yeah yeah i.

01:01:26.810 --> 01:01:32.850
<v Sam>Want to say a couple things on that one while i agree that he's constantly just

01:01:32.850 --> 01:01:37.110
<v Sam>trying to drive the attention cycle and one of the things that's been different

01:01:37.110 --> 01:01:40.130
<v Sam>over the last couple of weeks is he's kind of failed.

01:01:40.570 --> 01:01:44.310
<v Sam>He's trying to move the attention away from Epstein and it hasn't been working.

01:01:44.530 --> 01:01:48.890
<v Sam>Usually this kind of stuff works for him, but at the same time,

01:01:48.890 --> 01:01:54.530
<v Sam>I think all of the people who sort of are like, that's a distraction.

01:01:54.530 --> 01:01:58.350
<v Sam>That's a distraction. He's just trying to keep you from thinking about like the big,

01:01:58.470 --> 01:02:01.830
<v Sam>beautiful bill or whatever i think that's misguided too

01:02:01.830 --> 01:02:05.550
<v Sam>because it's they're all

01:02:05.550 --> 01:02:12.050
<v Sam>of these things are bad you know so so it's not like oh ignore this one that's

01:02:12.050 --> 01:02:16.210
<v Sam>a distraction and pay attention to this one because it's the only one that matters

01:02:16.210 --> 01:02:20.550
<v Sam>you have to figure out how to multitask you have to figure out how to multitask

01:02:20.550 --> 01:02:24.030
<v Sam>and actually care about all the bad things i think.

01:02:24.030 --> 01:02:26.750
<v Ivan>I think more about the things that that get him

01:02:26.750 --> 01:02:34.350
<v Ivan>criticized in some way okay you know but but actually the thing is like somebody

01:02:34.350 --> 01:02:44.030
<v Ivan>said he he loves the chaos he wants chaos he thinks this is good and.

01:02:44.030 --> 01:02:49.130
<v Sam>Well you know back to tariff specifically i mean he thinks the chaos is good

01:02:49.130 --> 01:02:52.490
<v Sam>because this is his leverage this is how he influences things.

01:02:53.550 --> 01:02:57.910
<v Ivan>He's driving the conversation. Wait, wait, wait. But there is no...

01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:01.610
<v Ivan>There is, okay.

01:03:01.930 --> 01:03:03.330
<v Sam>I mean, I'm not saying he's right.

01:03:03.330 --> 01:03:05.350
<v Ivan>I'm saying this is what he thinks. No, no, no. What I'm saying is,

01:03:05.410 --> 01:03:09.650
<v Ivan>no, no, no. What I'm saying is that, no, because he thinks he's winning. What is he winning?

01:03:10.810 --> 01:03:15.270
<v Ivan>Because that's the whole thing, right? Because what is his overarching,

01:03:15.470 --> 01:03:18.670
<v Ivan>does he have an overarching goal, Sam? What is it?

01:03:19.130 --> 01:03:22.630
<v Sam>Only on a day-to-day basis. He has no strategic plan.

01:03:22.770 --> 01:03:23.170
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:03:23.350 --> 01:03:23.890
<v Sam>That's my point.

01:03:23.890 --> 01:03:24.810
<v Ivan>He has a goal for the day.

01:03:25.110 --> 01:03:31.330
<v Sam>And people around him have explicitly said, this is how he thinks about things

01:03:31.330 --> 01:03:38.070
<v Sam>he wakes up in the morning and says what is today's episode of the trump show going to look like yeah.

01:03:38.070 --> 01:03:41.130
<v Ivan>Basic exactly that's right and so

01:03:41.130 --> 01:03:47.050
<v Ivan>the thing is that during this the economy you know the american economy and

01:03:47.050 --> 01:03:54.550
<v Ivan>the global economy is riding hostage to his reality show driven presidency that's

01:03:54.550 --> 01:03:59.510
<v Ivan>what we got um you know he's railing that i mean And today,

01:04:00.090 --> 01:04:07.770
<v Ivan>you know, the whole problem is, he keeps railing about Powell and the Fed and rates.

01:04:08.390 --> 01:04:14.250
<v Ivan>Problem is that with all these tariffs, there is no way to lower rates.

01:04:14.670 --> 01:04:16.730
<v Ivan>And aside from that.

01:04:17.110 --> 01:04:24.390
<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait, Ivan. There is no way to lower rates without negative consequences. That's different.

01:04:24.770 --> 01:04:29.710
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can lower short-term rates.

01:04:30.010 --> 01:04:30.450
<v Sam>Yes.

01:04:30.610 --> 01:04:34.310
<v Ivan>But the thing is that the rates that he's focused on, that they try to talk

01:04:34.310 --> 01:04:36.830
<v Ivan>about, the mortgage rate and whatnot and whatever,

01:04:37.950 --> 01:04:45.050
<v Ivan>even if the Fed drops the funds rate to zero, the damn 10-year,

01:04:45.070 --> 01:04:51.390
<v Ivan>which drives those rates, will not budge.

01:04:51.550 --> 01:04:55.190
<v Ivan>It hasn't budged already. Listen.

01:04:56.260 --> 01:05:00.680
<v Ivan>The Fed cut rates sometime last year.

01:05:01.020 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Ivan>The 10-year rate didn't budge. Not one bit.

01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:11.240
<v Ivan>Not one bit. And the problem is, because he wakes up every day into reality

01:05:11.240 --> 01:05:14.200
<v Ivan>presidency, which involves all these tariffs, okay?

01:05:15.040 --> 01:05:20.880
<v Ivan>The tariffs are pissing off the two biggest buyers of the fucking 10-year,

01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:24.360
<v Ivan>which is Japan and China.

01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:33.420
<v Ivan>And if those guys aren't buying damn 10-year notes, the damn interest rate isn't

01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Ivan>going to go down. It's as simple.

01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:42.680
<v Ivan>Bond rates work in a very simple way. Bond prices go up.

01:05:43.660 --> 01:05:48.040
<v Ivan>Rates go down. Simple as that. It's not the coupon.

01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Ivan>You can issue a bond. Hey, $100 bond.

01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.700
<v Ivan>10-year, 6%, okay?

01:05:58.100 --> 01:06:03.840
<v Ivan>But if the market doesn't think that 6%, or no, I'll change it, 2%, okay?

01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:10.460
<v Ivan>But hey, if the market doesn't think that 2% is right, what they will do is

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:14.660
<v Ivan>they will go to the market and say, well, we're not buying that bond for $100.

01:06:15.520 --> 01:06:24.600
<v Ivan>We're going to buy it for what makes us earn 5%. So the price of the bond will go down to that number.

01:06:24.680 --> 01:06:29.420
<v Ivan>So it yields the 6%. And that's what's happening in the market.

01:06:30.200 --> 01:06:31.600
<v Ivan>It's that simple.

01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:38.640
<v Ivan>There is no way. The Fed can't control that. The Fed can only control short-term rates.

01:06:39.240 --> 01:06:42.100
<v Ivan>That's it. They can drive those.

01:06:43.160 --> 01:06:45.880
<v Ivan>And, you know, and we've had periods of time.

01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:51.800
<v Sam>Look, look, you're thinking too small. he can issue an executive order tomorrow,

01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:55.640
<v Sam>just ordering banks to use whatever mortgage rate he wants them to.

01:06:56.200 --> 01:07:00.380
<v Ivan>Uh-huh. Yeah, that won't cause any market problems. Sure.

01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:01.640
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:10.360
<v Ivan>Yeah, that was, you know, you know what? Okay. Okay. All right.

01:07:11.140 --> 01:07:13.540
<v Ivan>Let's take your scenario. Banks.

01:07:13.660 --> 01:07:16.160
<v Sam>I'm sure there would be immediate legal challenges, of course, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:17.620
<v Ivan>Well, aside from that.

01:07:17.720 --> 01:07:21.060
<v Sam>Because he doesn't actually have the authority to do that with an executive order.

01:07:21.200 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Ivan>Okay. But let's say.

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:23.660
<v Sam>He could try anyway.

01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:29.800
<v Ivan>Let's say he tries to force the banks to do that, right? Here's the problem with that, right?

01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:37.040
<v Ivan>Once again, those assets, a bank usually gets issues alone.

01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:39.940
<v Ivan>They turn around and they sell it. Okay. All right.

01:07:40.540 --> 01:07:43.540
<v Ivan>What happens in the market is that they wind up saying, well,

01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:48.600
<v Ivan>you see, we don't think that's worth that. Okay.

01:07:49.560 --> 01:07:53.120
<v Ivan>We're not willing to pay for a 2% yield.

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Ivan>Nobody wants a 2% year. We want four. So they will have to start selling the

01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.000
<v Ivan>fucking mortgages at a loss.

01:08:01.820 --> 01:08:05.340
<v Sam>The Fed just issues mortgages directly. Cut out the banks entirely.

01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:10.020
<v Ivan>Oh. Oh, I see. Well, that's simple then.

01:08:10.160 --> 01:08:11.320
<v Sam>At 0% interest.

01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.220
<v Ivan>I'm sure that's not going to cause any problems with inflation,

01:08:15.220 --> 01:08:19.100
<v Ivan>with the rest of our bonds, with the banking system.

01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:25.660
<v Sam>All I'm saying is you seem constrained by the way things have been done in the past.

01:08:25.660 --> 01:08:29.560
<v Ivan>I know these damn details. Details. Yes, I know.

01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:35.460
<v Ivan>I'm so, you know, I'm so, you know, the details just get me. Yeah, I know.

01:08:36.040 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Ivan>I am so small minded. I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not a stable genius.

01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:51.620
<v Sam>So to to pivoting back to tariffs for a second we also had some inflation numbers

01:08:51.620 --> 01:08:55.920
<v Sam>and people keep saying you know it's coming the effects of the.

01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.860
<v Ivan>Tariffs by the way the underlying data shows that they are coming okay all right

01:08:59.860 --> 01:09:04.560
<v Ivan>the headline number didn't say that well once you dug through the data you were

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.520
<v Ivan>like fuck this is looking like a volcano ready to explode,

01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.580
<v Ivan>That's what the underlying data showed.

01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:18.820
<v Sam>I saw somewhere else, though, the economist predictions of percent chance of

01:09:18.820 --> 01:09:21.380
<v Sam>recession have dropped over a couple months ago.

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:25.220
<v Sam>Like they peaked a couple months ago, like in May or something,

01:09:25.400 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Sam>and are down a little bit from that.

01:09:27.040 --> 01:09:30.780
<v Sam>Still not zero, but not as high as they were.

01:09:30.860 --> 01:09:35.420
<v Ivan>Well, remember, they peaked when, I think, you know, at the tariff shock,

01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:41.500
<v Ivan>one, they've gone down somewhat. But but but but they're still above where they were.

01:09:41.740 --> 01:09:46.660
<v Sam>Say, now everybody's believes taco and that none of these things will end up actually happening.

01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.600
<v Ivan>That's right. That's right. Everybody believes that he will eventually chicken out.

01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:56.860
<v Ivan>I mean, but but the thing is, Sam, we have tariffs already in place.

01:09:57.460 --> 01:10:05.220
<v Ivan>Yes, there there is there are all these effects going through the economy right now of this.

01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:09.940
<v Ivan>And so it's just, it just takes time.

01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:13.940
<v Ivan>But the data is starting to show that this is going to be shitty.

01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.160
<v Sam>Is that a technical term?

01:10:16.440 --> 01:10:16.900
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:17.940
<v Sam>Okay.

01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:21.060
<v Ivan>That's all that highfalutin education.

01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Sam>But how high are we talking like inflation-wise? Are we talking double digits?

01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.400
<v Ivan>They basically said that we are going to, not double digits,

01:10:27.500 --> 01:10:31.220
<v Ivan>that we will go back to the same inflation we had in 2021, 2022.

01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:33.680
<v Ivan>Just 6% to 8%. By the way.

01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:37.620
<v Sam>Should we really be worried unless we're hitting 1970s levels?

01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:39.740
<v Ivan>Here's the problem.

01:10:42.140 --> 01:10:47.740
<v Ivan>In 1970s, we had all these exogenous shocks and all these things were happening, right?

01:10:48.480 --> 01:10:52.160
<v Ivan>Difficult to manage. All these shocks have been self-inflicted.

01:10:52.460 --> 01:10:56.920
<v Ivan>The second thing is, are we going to stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

01:10:58.330 --> 01:11:03.550
<v Ivan>You see, here's the thing. If you told me right now, hey, all tariffs are done,

01:11:03.730 --> 01:11:09.170
<v Ivan>it's over, whatever, then it could be like transitory as it was,

01:11:09.270 --> 01:11:10.630
<v Ivan>where it peaked and then it came down.

01:11:11.330 --> 01:11:15.590
<v Ivan>People didn't like the transitory term. I think the people didn't like the transitory

01:11:15.590 --> 01:11:18.570
<v Ivan>term were idiots because they, for some reason, thought transitory was three months.

01:11:18.570 --> 01:11:21.510
<v Sam>Okay well yeah i mean and.

01:11:21.510 --> 01:11:25.210
<v Ivan>I'm like you know muhammad al-aryan i'm talking about you you're an idiot okay all right.

01:11:25.210 --> 01:11:27.610
<v Sam>Sorry it didn't mean like.

01:11:27.610 --> 01:11:28.550
<v Ivan>Six months okay.

01:11:28.550 --> 01:11:30.030
<v Sam>Well and also there was.

01:11:30.030 --> 01:11:33.390
<v Ivan>That though but also there was a big war shock in the middle okay because.

01:11:33.390 --> 01:11:38.350
<v Sam>Yeah yeah no but the invasion i still i still fault the people who use that

01:11:38.350 --> 01:11:44.670
<v Sam>word because the common meaning of that word if you don't know what everything

01:11:44.670 --> 01:11:49.570
<v Sam>surrounding it is short enough that you don't have to worry about it you'll

01:11:49.570 --> 01:11:52.270
<v Sam>it'll be over before you think twice to.

01:11:52.270 --> 01:11:56.130
<v Ivan>Me you see transitory meant that it wasn't a systemic uh.

01:11:56.130 --> 01:12:01.110
<v Sam>Yeah but that's not how like normal people well okay but but the reality is

01:12:01.110 --> 01:12:07.030
<v Sam>and maybe if you're i know if you're somebody like that who's speaking not just

01:12:07.030 --> 01:12:10.230
<v Sam>i mean i know in his opinion he was speaking to specialists,

01:12:10.510 --> 01:12:12.890
<v Sam>but the reality was it was going out to the world.

01:12:13.090 --> 01:12:17.790
<v Sam>And you have to be careful about your language and use terms not in the specialist

01:12:17.790 --> 01:12:20.750
<v Sam>way, but in the general way that people will understand.

01:12:21.070 --> 01:12:22.990
<v Ivan>But ears, you know, fuck.

01:12:24.070 --> 01:12:29.050
<v Ivan>Well, everybody's so short-term. Look, the reality is transitory versus systemic, okay?

01:12:29.450 --> 01:12:36.130
<v Ivan>You know, systemic, Argentina that's experienced inflation 25% every year for the last 25 years.

01:12:36.510 --> 01:12:38.450
<v Ivan>That's systemic, okay?

01:12:39.030 --> 01:12:44.310
<v Ivan>That's systemic. And that was the whole point. What we had, is it like that?

01:12:44.450 --> 01:12:49.830
<v Ivan>Are we going to continue with 68% inflation, you know, like right now?

01:12:49.950 --> 01:12:52.850
<v Ivan>No, because we did a lot of changes. It's going to come back down.

01:12:52.850 --> 01:12:54.050
<v Ivan>so it's going to be transitory.

01:12:54.190 --> 01:12:56.310
<v Ivan>It's not systemic. Simple as that.

01:12:56.830 --> 01:13:02.850
<v Ivan>I'm like, but, but I guess, but like everybody, everybody wants a fucking exact

01:13:02.850 --> 01:13:08.210
<v Ivan>calendar of like, when the fuck, oh, but when is the price exactly going to go up?

01:13:08.310 --> 01:13:11.330
<v Ivan>Is it going to be July 30th or is it going to be August 15th?

01:13:11.390 --> 01:13:15.190
<v Sam>Well, we've talked about this before. There's two, there's two things.

01:13:15.390 --> 01:13:18.710
<v Sam>One, I think he should have, like,

01:13:18.850 --> 01:13:22.390
<v Sam>if the notion was, it wasn't going to be just a couple months,

01:13:22.390 --> 01:13:25.130
<v Sam>then yeah yeah i know

01:13:25.130 --> 01:13:27.930
<v Sam>you can't give an exact date but you could probably say

01:13:27.930 --> 01:13:30.710
<v Sam>something like it's going to be high for a year or two

01:13:30.710 --> 01:13:34.850
<v Sam>and people would have reacted to that differently or you

01:13:34.850 --> 01:13:40.470
<v Sam>know but even then though you still have the more fundamental problem that in

01:13:40.470 --> 01:13:45.390
<v Sam>terms of the general public they don't really understand inflation as the rate

01:13:45.390 --> 01:13:50.710
<v Sam>of change they want to know when do prices go back down well but that but and that was the.

01:13:50.710 --> 01:13:54.830
<v Ivan>Problem that That was more of a problem than anything else. The reality is it

01:13:54.830 --> 01:13:57.630
<v Ivan>wasn't even whether it was transitory or not.

01:13:57.750 --> 01:14:01.330
<v Ivan>The reality is that people went and said, well, when are prices going to go back down?

01:14:02.070 --> 01:14:05.510
<v Ivan>And people didn't understand, no, they're not coming back down.

01:14:05.810 --> 01:14:11.130
<v Ivan>The rate of increase is going down, but the price isn't going down.

01:14:11.150 --> 01:14:14.270
<v Ivan>We're not having deflation, which would be bad.

01:14:15.230 --> 01:14:18.010
<v Ivan>By the way, that's even more problematic.

01:14:18.010 --> 01:14:24.370
<v Sam>Unfortunately. Okay, any other economic bombshells you want to drop or talk

01:14:24.370 --> 01:14:26.190
<v Sam>about before we take another break?

01:14:26.430 --> 01:14:27.450
<v Ivan>No, let's go.

01:14:28.090 --> 01:14:32.210
<v Sam>Okay, we're going to take another break. This is another one I saved for you.

01:14:32.270 --> 01:14:32.950
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

01:14:33.090 --> 01:14:34.370
<v Sam>Because this one's an Apple Dream.

01:14:34.870 --> 01:14:35.510
<v Ivan>Ah, okay.

01:14:35.510 --> 01:14:42.210
<v Sam>This is Apple Dream 50. And when we return, we will talk about Epstein and Trump

01:14:42.210 --> 01:14:45.530
<v Sam>and Trump's mental health, Trump's physical health.

01:14:45.630 --> 01:14:48.890
<v Ivan>Didn't he say that we need to stop talking about this?

01:14:49.830 --> 01:14:55.910
<v Sam>Oh, I'm sorry. In that case, yeah, let's just spend the next segment on Cuomo

01:14:55.910 --> 01:14:57.130
<v Sam>running for mayor again.

01:14:57.510 --> 01:14:59.810
<v Sam>We don't need to talk about it. Oh, Cuomo.

01:15:00.110 --> 01:15:03.810
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, Cuomo. Well, the battery jump starter guy.

01:15:04.370 --> 01:15:09.310
<v Sam>Never mind Cuomo. Anyway, here is Apple Dream 50. We'll be back after this.

01:15:09.430 --> 01:15:11.550
<v Ivan>Yeah, fuck Cuomo too, Jesus Christ.

01:15:13.410 --> 01:15:16.850
<v Break>This is a bad one, so I'll be short.

01:15:17.270 --> 01:15:21.910
<v Break>The main part of it is we were all living,

01:15:22.150 --> 01:15:28.950
<v Break>meaning my current family and my daughter, my son, my wife, at the house that

01:15:28.950 --> 01:15:36.270
<v Break>my family rented when I was like a preteen in Durham, North Carolina.

01:15:37.790 --> 01:15:38.670
<v Break>And...

01:15:40.480 --> 01:15:47.000
<v Break>Anyway, the long and short of it comes down to, I was going upstairs for something.

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Break>I heard Amy yell at Alex something about watching Miley or something like that, watching Miley go out.

01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:08.840
<v Break>Then a few minutes later, I was coming back down, and Amy was doing something

01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:15.440
<v Break>like preparing to move, like she was moving her stuff to a moving truck or something.

01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:22.720
<v Break>And the, anyway, somebody,

01:16:23.220 --> 01:16:29.500
<v Break>mom yells from the other room or something, I'm starting to lose details,

01:16:29.500 --> 01:16:36.600
<v Break>the important part is there, but anyway, it's discovered that the front door is wide open.

01:16:37.460 --> 01:16:40.720
<v Break>And Amy thought someone else closed it.

01:16:41.160 --> 01:16:48.720
<v Break>And anyway, Miley had gotten out. So people start looking for Miley.

01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:52.520
<v Break>And I look out the window in the front of the house.

01:16:53.500 --> 01:17:02.260
<v Break>And I see right by the door near where the truck was that we were packing Amy's stuff into.

01:17:02.440 --> 01:17:07.620
<v Break>But it wasn't that. it was like the truck was there in my head but it wasn't

01:17:07.620 --> 01:17:14.040
<v Break>actually there there was a curb and then there was a spot anyway there was clearly

01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:16.380
<v Break>a flat thing there that used to be miley.

01:17:18.180 --> 01:17:24.820
<v Break>And she had just been squashed like cartoon style squashed like you know when

01:17:24.820 --> 01:17:30.060
<v Break>in a cartoon steamroller runs over somebody and they're made flat but there

01:17:30.060 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Break>were still enough details that you could see it was Miley.

01:17:33.160 --> 01:17:35.320
<v Break>Anyway, I was very, very upset.

01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:38.880
<v Break>I yelled at Amy, you know, that,

01:17:41.130 --> 01:17:44.270
<v Break>yeah the door shouldn't

01:17:44.270 --> 01:17:47.470
<v Break>have been open and i'm like you killed miley and

01:17:47.470 --> 01:17:50.630
<v Break>of course like it was an innocent mistake

01:17:50.630 --> 01:17:54.210
<v Break>nobody meant to kill miley but she

01:17:54.210 --> 01:17:57.310
<v Break>had obviously gotten run over and i was really upset

01:17:57.310 --> 01:18:08.570
<v Break>and my amy and me and alex and mom were all running to where miley was then

01:18:08.570 --> 01:18:14.090
<v Break>I woke up and I went straight out of bed and looked and found Miley and made

01:18:14.090 --> 01:18:16.190
<v Break>sure she was okay Miley's fine,

01:18:16.810 --> 01:18:23.490
<v Break>Miley's a great dog Miley's an old dog but Miley's a great dog and she's not flat love you Miley.

01:18:24.290 --> 01:18:31.030
<v Sam>And that's that very cheery dream that time of course Miley has since passed

01:18:31.030 --> 01:18:34.310
<v Sam>away of old age like you know but how long ago.

01:18:34.310 --> 01:18:36.690
<v Ivan>Was how long ago was this recorded?

01:18:37.690 --> 01:18:42.330
<v Sam>I don't know. I don't have proper dates on this. All right, never mind.

01:18:42.450 --> 01:18:42.770
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:18:43.010 --> 01:18:50.990
<v Sam>I am years behind on the Apple Dreams, and probably three or four years ago

01:18:50.990 --> 01:18:53.750
<v Sam>at this time, like this one, I don't know.

01:18:54.170 --> 01:18:56.190
<v Sam>It's been a while. Anyway.

01:18:58.090 --> 01:19:03.790
<v Ivan>Well, you know, reminds me of you blaming others for the dog's death.

01:19:03.890 --> 01:19:07.230
<v Ivan>You know, my mom blamed me for one of our dogs dying.

01:19:07.650 --> 01:19:08.250
<v Sam>Oh, wow.

01:19:08.810 --> 01:19:13.310
<v Ivan>But she was also like you. She was distraught. She was just,

01:19:13.470 --> 01:19:17.410
<v Ivan>we didn't know what caused the dog to die. He didn't get run over or something.

01:19:17.590 --> 01:19:21.250
<v Ivan>The dog developed some kind of, he got sick and died.

01:19:22.250 --> 01:19:27.230
<v Ivan>My mom started speculating that I had left the door to the room where the pool

01:19:27.230 --> 01:19:31.290
<v Ivan>chemicals were and the dog got into them. But you know what?

01:19:33.090 --> 01:19:38.770
<v Ivan>That was just her trying to grasp the straws as why the dog died. I really don't think.

01:19:39.330 --> 01:19:41.410
<v Ivan>I never thought. I'm like, nah, man, come on.

01:19:42.310 --> 01:19:45.530
<v Ivan>That room probably, I don't know how many times it's probably somebody left

01:19:45.530 --> 01:19:49.190
<v Ivan>the door open back there. And that dog is not that stupid to go and like.

01:19:49.710 --> 01:19:52.270
<v Ivan>There's nothing in there that is attractive to the dog.

01:19:52.750 --> 01:19:53.150
<v Sam>Right.

01:19:53.410 --> 01:19:58.290
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, there's just, you know. He's going to want to all of a sudden

01:19:58.290 --> 01:20:01.130
<v Ivan>volunteer like snort chlorine? No.

01:20:02.190 --> 01:20:09.690
<v Ivan>So, I don't know. But Bob was really upset. So, I'm like, what are you talking

01:20:09.690 --> 01:20:11.910
<v Ivan>about? The doctor never said it was anything like that.

01:20:12.290 --> 01:20:15.210
<v Ivan>I took it to the vet. You know? Anyway.

01:20:16.250 --> 01:20:17.610
<v Ivan>All right. Epstein!

01:20:18.130 --> 01:20:19.330
<v Sam>Yeah, let's start with that.

01:20:19.370 --> 01:20:20.230
<v Ivan>So much happier.

01:20:21.190 --> 01:20:25.310
<v Sam>I mean, I- It's a cold rapist. Yeah, I talked about this last week when you

01:20:25.310 --> 01:20:28.850
<v Sam>weren't here. But obviously, things have continued to develop.

01:20:29.370 --> 01:20:36.170
<v Sam>The bottom line is that, you know, look, my default position coming in here,

01:20:36.350 --> 01:20:40.210
<v Sam>and I think a lot of people were at this spot when this, you know,

01:20:40.570 --> 01:20:46.190
<v Sam>the latest round of Epstein stuff came up and the administration was like, oh, case closed.

01:20:46.190 --> 01:20:53.030
<v Sam>it's over, was just that a bunch of these conservative MAGA yahoos who'd been

01:20:53.030 --> 01:20:57.950
<v Sam>making a big deal out of Epstein because they thought that his files contained

01:20:57.950 --> 01:21:02.110
<v Sam>all the damning information about all the liberals who were involved in the

01:21:02.110 --> 01:21:04.670
<v Sam>pedophile ring, and this would get Bill Clinton,

01:21:04.850 --> 01:21:08.150
<v Sam>and this would get Bill Gates, and all of these other people.

01:21:09.250 --> 01:21:13.130
<v Sam>And obviously, it was something nefarious and blah, blah, blah.

01:21:13.490 --> 01:21:17.870
<v Sam>He didn't kill himself. actually when they got into power and looked at all

01:21:17.870 --> 01:21:20.050
<v Sam>the details, found out, okay,

01:21:21.470 --> 01:21:26.790
<v Sam>There's not the actual evidence to back any of that up, which,

01:21:26.890 --> 01:21:29.630
<v Sam>by the way, is not the same thing as saying it didn't happen.

01:21:32.170 --> 01:21:35.710
<v Sam>Something may have happened, but there's not enough evidence to actually prove

01:21:35.710 --> 01:21:38.490
<v Sam>it, that those are not mutually incompatible.

01:21:38.670 --> 01:21:42.570
<v Sam>But they got in there and—wait, wait, let me finish my thought.

01:21:42.570 --> 01:21:45.450
<v Sam>like they and so that this was

01:21:45.450 --> 01:21:48.350
<v Sam>my original hypothesis is these guys got over their

01:21:48.350 --> 01:21:52.490
<v Sam>skis they got into power they looked into it and they couldn't back up what

01:21:52.490 --> 01:21:58.190
<v Sam>they'd been riling their base up for years and years and years but then then

01:21:58.190 --> 01:22:02.230
<v Sam>donald trump started protesting and protesting and getting more and more upset

01:22:02.230 --> 01:22:06.170
<v Sam>and there's nothing here there's nothing to see go away It looks the other way, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:06.970 --> 01:22:12.750
<v Sam>And it's like, okay, there must be something dead. Otherwise,

01:22:13.010 --> 01:22:14.190
<v Sam>why the hell are you doing this?

01:22:14.190 --> 01:22:15.090
<v Ivan>Why are you getting so agitated?

01:22:15.250 --> 01:22:20.370
<v Sam>Why are you getting so agitated? Because if it really was the first scenario,

01:22:21.190 --> 01:22:27.050
<v Sam>then okay, just, you know, there are other ways to present this.

01:22:27.150 --> 01:22:32.750
<v Sam>Now, the diehards who are really 100% in on this conspiracy theory will never

01:22:32.750 --> 01:22:34.010
<v Sam>be convinced no matter what.

01:22:34.990 --> 01:22:40.050
<v Sam>But you could come out and just clearly say, hey, we thought there was all this

01:22:40.050 --> 01:22:46.090
<v Sam>stuff in there, but look, we've looked into it and we've looked at all the details and stuff.

01:22:47.210 --> 01:22:51.210
<v Sam>The evidence of the things we thought there was evidence of just isn't there.

01:22:51.390 --> 01:22:54.490
<v Sam>Now, they'd still hate you. They still wouldn't believe you,

01:22:54.610 --> 01:22:56.010
<v Sam>but you'd have a clear story.

01:22:57.210 --> 01:23:02.950
<v Ivan>Let's be clear about this. If there was this massive smoking gun against a whole

01:23:02.950 --> 01:23:08.250
<v Ivan>bunch of Democrats, don't you think that they would have already been—the pages

01:23:08.250 --> 01:23:09.790
<v Ivan>of every paper in the U.S.

01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:13.050
<v Ivan>would have been plastered with all of this?

01:23:13.050 --> 01:23:17.650
<v Sam>Well, this is one of the things that the base still to this day, who's upset about this,

01:23:17.750 --> 01:23:21.670
<v Sam>the conservatives who are like, no, you've got to release the files are still

01:23:21.670 --> 01:23:27.390
<v Sam>are now thinking that Donald Trump and Bondi and all these folks are covering

01:23:27.390 --> 01:23:28.790
<v Sam>up for the Democrats still.

01:23:29.290 --> 01:23:34.010
<v Sam>Like they're not they're not convinced that like Donald Trump had to do with any of this. No, no.

01:23:34.170 --> 01:23:37.650
<v Sam>They're they're like, why is Donald Trump protecting Bill Clinton?

01:23:38.490 --> 01:23:44.290
<v Sam>You know, that's where the thought process is. Why is he defending the vast

01:23:44.290 --> 01:23:50.470
<v Sam>international pedophile conspiracy ring run by the liberals? Why is he flipped?

01:23:51.370 --> 01:23:57.170
<v Ivan>Well, let's be clear about this. Okay. This is, you know, the number of people,

01:23:57.810 --> 01:24:03.530
<v Ivan>when you're talking about the entire, take the electorate, just talking about

01:24:03.530 --> 01:24:04.850
<v Ivan>the electorate, not the general pop.

01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:13.810
<v Ivan>I what percentage of those are pedophile conspiracy, blah, blah, blah, say 25 percent.

01:24:13.890 --> 01:24:17.290
<v Ivan>The conspiracy of the total electorate.

01:24:17.330 --> 01:24:21.590
<v Sam>Including Democrats, including Democrats, I'd say even less than 25 at that point.

01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:25.870
<v Sam>OK, so I would say maybe it's even only 25 percent of Trump voters.

01:24:26.170 --> 01:24:29.290
<v Ivan>OK, so so that's that's where that's where this is. Right.

01:24:29.590 --> 01:24:34.590
<v Ivan>OK, where it's, you know, you've got it's a.

01:24:34.850 --> 01:24:40.370
<v Ivan>Small, but very loud and very, it's not small. It's a significant portion of

01:24:40.370 --> 01:24:42.490
<v Ivan>his base that's very active and very loud.

01:24:42.990 --> 01:24:46.430
<v Ivan>And they have been the guys that have been carrying the torch for him.

01:24:47.250 --> 01:24:50.350
<v Ivan>OK, most of the time, that's the reality.

01:24:51.470 --> 01:24:57.290
<v Ivan>And so now all of a sudden you've got these guys who expected something. Right.

01:24:58.150 --> 01:25:05.230
<v Ivan>And the guy who was supposed to give it to them is now just no, we're not.

01:25:06.090 --> 01:25:07.530
<v Ivan>We're not releasing this.

01:25:07.810 --> 01:25:15.890
<v Sam>Well, and the thing is, the more he protests about it, the more it just like, you know, the.

01:25:15.890 --> 01:25:17.230
<v Ivan>More guilty he looks.

01:25:17.230 --> 01:25:20.330
<v Sam>The more guilty he looks and it's like i've seen

01:25:20.330 --> 01:25:24.290
<v Sam>people post i forget if it was josh marshall or somebody else who was like you

01:25:24.290 --> 01:25:28.170
<v Sam>know i thought this was just them getting all over their skis but the more donald

01:25:28.170 --> 01:25:32.970
<v Sam>trump thinks about this more donald trump talks about this the more the only

01:25:32.970 --> 01:25:38.770
<v Sam>natural conclusion is actually donald trump ran the pedophile ring and framed Epstein.

01:25:40.450 --> 01:25:44.690
<v Sam>Because otherwise, why is he doing all this? And, you know, and there was this

01:25:44.690 --> 01:25:48.790
<v Sam>big hype about this Wall Street Journal release as well, where Donald Trump

01:25:48.790 --> 01:25:54.370
<v Sam>apparently contributed this cryptic little note for a 50th birthday book for Epstein.

01:25:55.370 --> 01:26:00.950
<v Sam>And, you know, and Donald Trump is now sued them over publishing this.

01:26:01.230 --> 01:26:04.750
<v Sam>He and his like team were apparently

01:26:04.750 --> 01:26:07.670
<v Sam>exerting a huge amount of pressure on the wall street journal to

01:26:07.670 --> 01:26:14.690
<v Sam>not publish this at all they did anyway and as far as i can tell like look this

01:26:14.690 --> 01:26:21.810
<v Sam>this is just another okay trump and epstein were good friends trump and epstein

01:26:21.810 --> 01:26:27.170
<v Sam>were both wink wink nod nod and obviously liked younger girls dude yeah yeah.

01:26:27.170 --> 01:26:29.790
<v Ivan>Yeah like very much so huh.

01:26:29.790 --> 01:26:34.730
<v Sam>But there's not there's not the thing wasn't a smoking gun it's nothing you

01:26:34.730 --> 01:26:37.510
<v Sam>could use in court to prove anything it's.

01:26:37.510 --> 01:26:43.030
<v Ivan>Not a smoking gun but come on saying i mean that note holy shit that note.

01:26:43.030 --> 01:26:49.310
<v Sam>Well it's it's all cryptic crap though like yeah it's like oh we share secrets okay.

01:26:49.310 --> 01:26:55.070
<v Ivan>Yeah what the fuck were the secrets that we've known about this guy the entire fucking time now.

01:26:55.070 --> 01:26:56.650
<v Sam>Well yeah i realize that.

01:26:56.650 --> 01:26:57.850
<v Ivan>He did with everybody.

01:26:57.850 --> 01:27:02.010
<v Sam>But again the thing is like this is all like with all Well.

01:27:02.410 --> 01:27:09.110
<v Ivan>There's all these videos of teenagers talking about stooping his daughter.

01:27:09.730 --> 01:27:15.110
<v Ivan>He goes and repeatedly says it about Epstein, and then he puts it down on a note.

01:27:15.330 --> 01:27:15.590
<v Sam>That's provable.

01:27:16.190 --> 01:27:23.590
<v Ivan>I mean, well, listen, this is not maybe court evidence, but fuck, man.

01:27:24.290 --> 01:27:26.330
<v Ivan>It's, you know, man.

01:27:26.650 --> 01:27:30.730
<v Sam>This is all stuff that, with all the context, you could infer what he probably

01:27:30.730 --> 01:27:33.490
<v Sam>meant. But you can't prove a damn thing.

01:27:33.750 --> 01:27:41.530
<v Ivan>I can't prove it to convict, but I can prove it to show how morally bankrupt,

01:27:42.350 --> 01:27:43.410
<v Ivan>Donald Trump, you know.

01:27:44.050 --> 01:27:45.530
<v Sam>Well, we didn't know it.

01:27:45.790 --> 01:27:49.690
<v Ivan>But just further evidence of how morally bankrupt this asshole was.

01:27:49.830 --> 01:27:55.130
<v Sam>Yes, this is what I was saying. It's like, well, we all knew this already. But here's the thing.

01:27:55.830 --> 01:27:58.830
<v Sam>We did not all know this already.

01:27:59.070 --> 01:28:02.830
<v Sam>There are a couple of crucial differences here to point out.

01:28:02.830 --> 01:28:09.350
<v Sam>Like, you and I and people who've been paying attention and have been into politics

01:28:09.350 --> 01:28:16.330
<v Sam>and who have been paying attention to the right sources have known all of this crap since 2015,

01:28:16.330 --> 01:28:19.370
<v Sam>at least, probably earlier, right?

01:28:19.990 --> 01:28:26.410
<v Sam>But for people who are embedded in the right-wing ecosystem,

01:28:26.410 --> 01:28:31.470
<v Sam>a lot of them have never heard this crap about Donald Trump.

01:28:31.790 --> 01:28:31.990
<v Ivan>Right.

01:28:31.990 --> 01:28:35.590
<v Sam>They've heard things about Epstein, but everything they've heard about Epstein

01:28:35.590 --> 01:28:36.950
<v Sam>has been about liberals.

01:28:37.230 --> 01:28:42.630
<v Ivan>And Sam, Sam, can we, listen, listen, but forget about this, okay?

01:28:42.830 --> 01:28:50.290
<v Ivan>We are skipping over the most important thing, the video, Sam. The fucking video, Sam.

01:28:50.630 --> 01:28:55.590
<v Ivan>The video that they released, that is very clearly doctored,

01:28:55.910 --> 01:29:02.970
<v Ivan>which was supposed to be, Hey, look, we've released this video to show what

01:29:02.970 --> 01:29:04.930
<v Ivan>happened at Epstein's cell.

01:29:05.510 --> 01:29:11.110
<v Ivan>And, motherfucker, Sam, the video they shared is doctored.

01:29:11.430 --> 01:29:12.910
<v Sam>And missing three minutes.

01:29:13.170 --> 01:29:13.730
<v Ivan>Right?

01:29:14.050 --> 01:29:14.890
<v Sam>Yes.

01:29:15.670 --> 01:29:17.170
<v Ivan>Holy fucking hell!

01:29:19.630 --> 01:29:23.650
<v Ivan>I mean, the one that should have been the clean sweep.

01:29:24.430 --> 01:29:27.230
<v Ivan>No problem. them hey here is the raw

01:29:27.230 --> 01:29:30.250
<v Ivan>footage here you go knock yourself out

01:29:30.250 --> 01:29:33.070
<v Ivan>well here it is this is one of the they

01:29:33.070 --> 01:29:39.850
<v Ivan>share a sam these guys shared a video missing three minutes do you remember

01:29:39.850 --> 01:29:44.790
<v Ivan>what happened with the nixon tapes of the missing minutes yes yes yes yeah we're

01:29:44.790 --> 01:29:51.270
<v Ivan>those missing minutes like you know bullshit dude what the fuck we.

01:29:51.270 --> 01:29:54.550
<v Sam>To this day don't know for sure what was on those missing minutes.

01:29:54.750 --> 01:29:56.290
<v Sam>It was an innocent mistake, Yvonne.

01:29:56.350 --> 01:29:56.990
<v Ivan>It was an innocent mistake.

01:29:56.990 --> 01:29:57.870
<v Sam>In Watergate 2.

01:29:58.530 --> 01:29:58.730
<v Ivan>Right.

01:29:58.970 --> 01:30:02.790
<v Sam>Now, look, here's the thing, though. With this group of clowns,

01:30:03.290 --> 01:30:08.210
<v Sam>you can't eliminate that it was a dumb mistake.

01:30:08.470 --> 01:30:11.450
<v Sam>You know? But look, the other thing I was going to mention.

01:30:11.450 --> 01:30:12.610
<v Ivan>But holy hell, Sam!

01:30:12.790 --> 01:30:13.790
<v Sam>I know, I know.

01:30:13.870 --> 01:30:18.930
<v Ivan>You want to create a firestorm of more doubt, okay?

01:30:19.190 --> 01:30:23.630
<v Ivan>Over something. and it's by fucking releasing,

01:30:25.770 --> 01:30:29.410
<v Ivan>captured video of the Epstein cell.

01:30:29.530 --> 01:30:29.710
<v Sam>Okay.

01:30:29.870 --> 01:30:30.230
<v Ivan>Damn it.

01:30:30.310 --> 01:30:30.770
<v Sam>Yes.

01:30:30.950 --> 01:30:38.370
<v Ivan>I mean, I have one that up until that moment was 100, I felt 100% convinced

01:30:38.370 --> 01:30:43.030
<v Ivan>he committed suicide. I have no doubts. Yeah. But fuck, Sam.

01:30:44.110 --> 01:30:50.790
<v Ivan>Now? I mean, they actually made me, who never even believed in that, doubt it.

01:30:51.570 --> 01:30:57.550
<v Sam>I still think it's highly likely that he did commit suicide, but you're right.

01:30:57.670 --> 01:31:03.610
<v Sam>None of this like does anything but add more doubt because of how everybody's acting around.

01:31:04.450 --> 01:31:05.010
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:31:05.790 --> 01:31:09.910
<v Sam>Let me get back to my point though, like, cause you took me off in a different

01:31:09.910 --> 01:31:10.670
<v Sam>direction in the middle.

01:31:11.070 --> 01:31:16.970
<v Sam>One was that people in the conservative, you know, in the conservative ecosystem

01:31:16.970 --> 01:31:21.390
<v Sam>never heard the connection between Trump and Epstein before.

01:31:21.570 --> 01:31:25.910
<v Sam>They just heard bad things about Epstein, not that Trump was best friends with

01:31:25.910 --> 01:31:30.870
<v Sam>him for 15 years and was on a bunch of these lists and went to the island and

01:31:30.870 --> 01:31:33.810
<v Sam>was joking about the young girls and blah, blah, blah.

01:31:34.010 --> 01:31:38.390
<v Sam>But also just on the history of what Epstein did himself,

01:31:38.630 --> 01:31:45.210
<v Sam>another important thing to remind folks about is like the youngest voters in

01:31:45.210 --> 01:31:50.590
<v Sam>2024 were 10 years old back in 2015.

01:31:51.490 --> 01:31:58.290
<v Sam>They weren't paying attention, you know, you know, and so like the,

01:31:58.410 --> 01:32:02.350
<v Sam>we should not take for granted at all that.

01:32:02.550 --> 01:32:06.390
<v Sam>Well, everybody knows all this stuff about Epstein.

01:32:06.650 --> 01:32:09.890
<v Sam>Everything knows about how Trump was related to Epstein.

01:32:10.070 --> 01:32:16.630
<v Sam>Everybody knows about like the Access Hollywood tape or any of the other Donald

01:32:16.630 --> 01:32:21.290
<v Sam>Trump stuff because A, tons of people are locked in this conservative ecosystem

01:32:21.290 --> 01:32:24.550
<v Sam>that doesn't give time to these issues and B,

01:32:24.990 --> 01:32:26.630
<v Sam>a lot of voters,

01:32:27.330 --> 01:32:29.310
<v Sam>were not paying attention,

01:32:30.170 --> 01:32:32.190
<v Sam>seven, eight, nine, 10 years ago.

01:32:32.270 --> 01:32:33.250
<v Ivan>Fuck, they were not paying attention now.

01:32:33.250 --> 01:32:37.130
<v Sam>Some of them because they were too young. Some of them just because they weren't.

01:32:37.270 --> 01:32:40.690
<v Sam>But like this is something I've heard a number of journalists talk about.

01:32:40.690 --> 01:32:44.710
<v Sam>Like there's a, in terms of how they're covering this story,

01:32:45.330 --> 01:32:51.090
<v Sam>like it's still being covered by like, here's the new stuff that was released this week.

01:32:51.550 --> 01:32:54.770
<v Sam>There's not a lot of, Hey, everybody let's review.

01:32:55.950 --> 01:33:00.890
<v Sam>Here's, here's all the stuff we already knew 10 years ago. And here's all the details of this.

01:33:01.230 --> 01:33:05.830
<v Sam>But the reality is even the people who were paying attention 10 years ago,

01:33:06.010 --> 01:33:08.050
<v Sam>a lot of them have forgotten, you know?

01:33:08.050 --> 01:33:14.570
<v Sam>and so you gotta bring people back up to speed with the whole thing now and

01:33:14.570 --> 01:33:21.750
<v Sam>in the end like I don't know like again like my my general thought process on all of this was.

01:33:22.750 --> 01:33:28.770
<v Sam>Going back to, you know, that girl who was suing Donald Trump and,

01:33:28.770 --> 01:33:32.530
<v Sam>you know, decided to back out of it like days before the 20,

01:33:32.630 --> 01:33:37.610
<v Sam>20, 16 election was of course, Donald Trump is probably guilty of all this shit.

01:33:37.850 --> 01:33:41.630
<v Sam>Of course he is, but we can't prove it.

01:33:42.350 --> 01:33:49.270
<v Sam>And, you know, it's the longer time goes on, the less chance we'll ever be able to prove it.

01:33:49.490 --> 01:33:55.050
<v Sam>Now, if you believe women to begin with, I mean, my God, like there's like 27,

01:33:55.490 --> 01:34:01.070
<v Sam>28 women who've credibly accused Donald Trump of various kinds of sexual assault over the years.

01:34:01.490 --> 01:34:06.510
<v Sam>And obviously people didn't care. But again, like a lot of people didn't know,

01:34:06.730 --> 01:34:11.070
<v Sam>despite the fact that like it was out there in the zeitgeist.

01:34:11.070 --> 01:34:17.910
<v Sam>And but this time, the difference is that Donald Trump's own people,

01:34:18.150 --> 01:34:23.310
<v Sam>because they feel betrayed by this, are pushing for more information.

01:34:23.570 --> 01:34:28.550
<v Sam>And Donald Trump is apparently scared of the more information. Right.

01:34:28.750 --> 01:34:33.710
<v Sam>So maybe there is stuff above and beyond, like the conservative response to

01:34:33.710 --> 01:34:37.290
<v Sam>the stuff in this, the single page of this book that Donald Trump apparently

01:34:37.290 --> 01:34:41.030
<v Sam>wrote has been, oh, this is clearly fake.

01:34:41.190 --> 01:34:43.790
<v Sam>This is not him. This is nothing. Blah, blah, blah.

01:34:44.530 --> 01:34:49.430
<v Sam>But the way Donald Trump has been reacting, it can't just be about this single

01:34:49.430 --> 01:34:50.910
<v Sam>page. There's got to be more.

01:34:50.910 --> 01:34:55.590
<v Ivan>No, there's got to be more. There's got to be more. But hey,

01:34:55.710 --> 01:34:58.590
<v Ivan>you know, listen, there are, as you said before today,

01:34:59.670 --> 01:35:06.390
<v Ivan>on the Slack, we have apparently an extra 1,000 witnesses now that we can depose

01:35:06.390 --> 01:35:09.610
<v Ivan>on, you know, on what the hell is on those documents.

01:35:09.790 --> 01:35:13.450
<v Sam>So let's talk about the 1,000 witnesses, because this was new news in the last

01:35:13.450 --> 01:35:16.610
<v Sam>24 hours that's also important here.

01:35:16.610 --> 01:35:22.070
<v Sam>Apparently, Pam Bondi, and you can be sure she didn't do this of her own volition,

01:35:22.470 --> 01:35:24.710
<v Sam>like Donald Trump must have asked about this,

01:35:25.890 --> 01:35:29.890
<v Sam>assigned the reports say a thousand

01:35:29.890 --> 01:35:41.210
<v Sam>FBI agents to be pulling 24-hour shifts to go through 100,000 pages of Epstein-related

01:35:41.210 --> 01:35:46.590
<v Sam>evidence to specifically look for and mark and call it.

01:35:46.610 --> 01:35:49.150
<v Sam>out any possible reference to Donald Trump.

01:35:50.370 --> 01:35:54.470
<v Sam>And there's no reporting on exactly how much was found,

01:35:54.470 --> 01:36:01.750
<v Sam>but apparently someone was worried enough about it to initiate this very significant

01:36:01.750 --> 01:36:06.650
<v Sam>effort to go through everything and try to find all the Trump references.

01:36:07.250 --> 01:36:10.950
<v Ivan>You know how nutty this is. There are— And by the way.

01:36:11.010 --> 01:36:12.610
<v Sam>We've known for years.

01:36:12.950 --> 01:36:17.070
<v Ivan>There are a thousand—I don't know if it—listen, whether it's agents or employees, okay?

01:36:17.210 --> 01:36:17.430
<v Sam>Yes.

01:36:18.230 --> 01:36:22.750
<v Ivan>The FBI has 30-some-odd thousand employees only. Okay?

01:36:23.510 --> 01:36:28.810
<v Ivan>So, to pull a thousand of them. I mean, pulling a... Sam, do you understand?

01:36:28.930 --> 01:36:33.730
<v Ivan>To pull a thousand employees into a single task.

01:36:34.550 --> 01:36:39.290
<v Ivan>What kind of, like, crazy, batshit, authoritarian bullshit this is.

01:36:39.770 --> 01:36:43.010
<v Sam>Yes. And, like, 24-hour shifts and stuff.

01:36:43.130 --> 01:36:43.230
<v Ivan>Right.

01:36:43.230 --> 01:36:45.150
<v Sam>Which can't be the best way to do this either.

01:36:45.250 --> 01:36:45.410
<v Ivan>No!

01:36:45.450 --> 01:36:46.810
<v Sam>Like, people get tired, you know?

01:36:46.810 --> 01:36:52.190
<v Ivan>This is like insane authoritarian bullshit. And I mean, this is,

01:36:52.330 --> 01:36:58.430
<v Ivan>this is the only people to do this are insanely scared.

01:36:59.290 --> 01:37:04.770
<v Sam>Well, and here's the thing. Like, I would not be surprised if the answer to

01:37:04.770 --> 01:37:10.530
<v Sam>what these thousand people found was a lot of stuff that could be embarrassing.

01:37:10.530 --> 01:37:13.870
<v Sam>But again, nothing that could be used in a court of law.

01:37:15.050 --> 01:37:19.050
<v Ivan>What the fuck do we know? No, Sam, look. No, no, we don't know.

01:37:19.210 --> 01:37:21.510
<v Ivan>Jeff didn't go to trial. Okay, he died.

01:37:22.510 --> 01:37:28.050
<v Ivan>Gallain pleaded out. So that wasn't a trial either. Okay? So if anything in there.

01:37:28.050 --> 01:37:36.290
<v Sam>Was— I keep coming back to if there really was, like, actionable evidence against

01:37:36.290 --> 01:37:41.030
<v Sam>Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or any other famous people, they would have done something with it.

01:37:41.210 --> 01:37:45.030
<v Ivan>There's a difference between actionable evidence— Oh.

01:37:45.250 --> 01:37:48.530
<v Sam>Yes. This is the key difference.

01:37:49.350 --> 01:37:55.890
<v Ivan>You know, just because it doesn't meet the threshold of a conviction doesn't

01:37:55.890 --> 01:37:58.270
<v Ivan>mean it's really, really damning.

01:37:58.650 --> 01:38:03.230
<v Sam>Oh, right, right. I mean, I agree with you, absolutely. There's lots of.

01:38:03.230 --> 01:38:06.350
<v Ivan>Stuff that could be— Especially when one of the big problems that you've got

01:38:06.350 --> 01:38:10.250
<v Ivan>with this case is that Epstein is dead.

01:38:10.670 --> 01:38:11.210
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

01:38:11.670 --> 01:38:17.950
<v Ivan>OK, because all you've got is this and you don't have a witness to corroborate a lot of it.

01:38:18.150 --> 01:38:22.590
<v Ivan>OK, which, by the way, goes back to why the hell all of a sudden,

01:38:22.670 --> 01:38:26.990
<v Ivan>you know, we're asking about, well, why the hell is he dead? Right.

01:38:27.470 --> 01:38:30.770
<v Ivan>And why would he be dead? Not because he wanted to.

01:38:30.890 --> 01:38:36.970
<v Ivan>It's because a lot of that is worthless without him corroborating it.

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:41.000
<v Sam>Well, this is one of the things we don't know for sure, right?

01:38:41.180 --> 01:38:45.540
<v Sam>There may be other witnesses, too. There may be documentation.

01:38:46.040 --> 01:38:50.920
<v Sam>One of the things they apparently got was all kinds of video evidence.

01:38:52.500 --> 01:38:57.120
<v Sam>And I speculated last week, the problem on some of these might be like,

01:38:57.500 --> 01:39:02.100
<v Sam>yeah, there's a video, but you can't really tell for sure who it is in the video. Right.

01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:07.300
<v Sam>Things like that, because it's like low-quality surveillance video or something.

01:39:08.460 --> 01:39:12.040
<v Sam>but there's, and this is one of those key differences.

01:39:12.220 --> 01:39:16.300
<v Sam>They have asked, apparently they've asked a judge just in the last 24 hours

01:39:16.300 --> 01:39:18.700
<v Sam>to, to release the grand jury testimony.

01:39:19.040 --> 01:39:23.900
<v Sam>Now the grand jury testimony is different than the whole thing of all the evidence

01:39:23.900 --> 01:39:26.340
<v Sam>and they're going to redact it anyway.

01:39:26.500 --> 01:39:33.020
<v Sam>And you can be sure they would not just redact the victim's names and identifying information.

01:39:33.420 --> 01:39:39.900
<v Sam>But the proper way to do redaction on this stuff is to also redact the names

01:39:39.900 --> 01:39:46.040
<v Sam>of people who, that are incriminated, but that there are no charges against

01:39:46.040 --> 01:39:48.300
<v Sam>for the reasons we're talking about.

01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:53.200
<v Sam>Like this is, you know, yeah, this is, this is really damning evidence,

01:39:53.360 --> 01:39:55.400
<v Sam>but not enough that you could get a conviction.

01:39:55.760 --> 01:40:01.420
<v Sam>So, so the right thing to do from, you know, a justice department and a judicial

01:40:01.420 --> 01:40:07.140
<v Sam>point of view is you don't go, you know, Comey and Hillary Clinton side.

01:40:07.520 --> 01:40:11.580
<v Sam>This is not, you don't release that information in that way.

01:40:11.700 --> 01:40:18.720
<v Sam>So if you get stuff released, there's going to be a lot of, and person A did

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:24.460
<v Sam>this or person A saw this because you've got not only the victims who don't want to be,

01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:28.300
<v Sam>you know, don't want to be identified, don't want to be dragged through the mud again.

01:40:28.300 --> 01:40:31.300
<v Sam>you've got witnesses who apparently part

01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:34.200
<v Sam>of the problems with these prosecutions all these years

01:40:34.200 --> 01:40:37.080
<v Sam>was you had tons of witnesses who feared for their

01:40:37.080 --> 01:40:42.820
<v Sam>physical safety if they said stuff and so you don't want you know you don't

01:40:42.820 --> 01:40:48.320
<v Sam>want to dox those people either and then of course you've got potential perpetrators

01:40:48.320 --> 01:40:53.580
<v Sam>that are you have information about but not enough to prove it and you're not

01:40:53.580 --> 01:40:54.780
<v Sam>going to release those names either.

01:40:54.980 --> 01:40:57.160
<v Sam>But those names are what everybody really wants.

01:40:57.460 --> 01:41:02.620
<v Sam>They want those. They want to know, you know, this guy's incriminated.

01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:07.500
<v Sam>Even if we can't prove it, it damn well looks bad for them.

01:41:07.780 --> 01:41:13.020
<v Sam>You know, and that's what everybody's really after, whether it's Trump or any of the liberals.

01:41:14.110 --> 01:41:17.650
<v Sam>And we're probably not going to get that. Although I have to say,

01:41:17.750 --> 01:41:21.910
<v Sam>like, in a lot of the redacted documents that came out over the course of the

01:41:21.910 --> 01:41:26.450
<v Sam>other investigations to Donald Trump, people were able to figure out who most

01:41:26.450 --> 01:41:29.010
<v Sam>of the person A, person B, person C really were.

01:41:29.370 --> 01:41:32.770
<v Sam>They were able to figure that out just by putting together clues.

01:41:33.130 --> 01:41:37.630
<v Sam>So I don't know. But Donald sure seems scared.

01:41:38.150 --> 01:41:39.110
<v Ivan>He seems petrified.

01:41:39.110 --> 01:41:41.370
<v Sam>That's the bottom line on this. You know.

01:41:41.430 --> 01:41:44.670
<v Ivan>I mean, you know. and donald doesn't seem well.

01:41:44.670 --> 01:41:48.450
<v Sam>Okay let's pivot to that so first

01:41:48.450 --> 01:41:51.550
<v Sam>of all donald before we before we get to physical

01:41:51.550 --> 01:41:54.690
<v Sam>i want to say that like we've talked

01:41:54.690 --> 01:41:58.270
<v Sam>a long time about donald trump's mental deterioration over

01:41:58.270 --> 01:42:01.370
<v Sam>time but it does seem to be getting a lot

01:42:01.370 --> 01:42:04.130
<v Sam>worse like he's less and less

01:42:04.130 --> 01:42:07.410
<v Sam>coherent he's you know talking about

01:42:07.410 --> 01:42:10.670
<v Sam>you know we were talking about powell the fed fed chair he

01:42:10.670 --> 01:42:13.650
<v Sam>was like slamming the appointment

01:42:13.650 --> 01:42:17.330
<v Sam>not remembering that it was him apparently you know

01:42:17.330 --> 01:42:22.910
<v Sam>we've got all kinds of other things where he's clearly doesn't really know what's

01:42:22.910 --> 01:42:27.170
<v Sam>going on and look that's been true for years and years but it seems to be getting

01:42:27.170 --> 01:42:34.430
<v Sam>worse rapidly and you know people seem reluctant to like at least the the sort

01:42:34.430 --> 01:42:36.730
<v Sam>of mainstream major media outlets,

01:42:37.290 --> 01:42:38.850
<v Sam>aren't really talking about that.

01:42:39.010 --> 01:42:46.210
<v Sam>I mean, they go off on Biden, and as far as I can tell, Trump is worse than Biden ever was.

01:42:46.230 --> 01:42:47.250
<v Ivan>Way worse!

01:42:48.120 --> 01:42:52.220
<v Sam>In terms of sort of mental health and age affecting his abilities.

01:42:52.580 --> 01:42:54.140
<v Sam>And now let's talk physical.

01:42:55.220 --> 01:42:59.500
<v Sam>So the latest thing is people have been noticing bruising, people have been

01:42:59.500 --> 01:43:00.840
<v Sam>noticing swollen ankles,

01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:06.240
<v Sam>and they released an official White House doctor report saying,

01:43:06.440 --> 01:43:10.540
<v Sam>what was it, insufficient venous something. Yeah.

01:43:11.140 --> 01:43:17.440
<v Sam>You know, and basically saying, look, 20% of people in their 70s end up getting

01:43:17.440 --> 01:43:20.280
<v Sam>this. This is, you know, it happens.

01:43:20.900 --> 01:43:26.920
<v Sam>And I have seen a lot of people speculating, okay, it's clearly not just that,

01:43:27.180 --> 01:43:31.760
<v Sam>but, and so like specifically I've seen like on TikTok recently,

01:43:32.020 --> 01:43:37.100
<v Sam>tons and tons of nurses that work in cardiac wards and stuff like that saying

01:43:37.100 --> 01:43:40.000
<v Sam>like, look, there's more going on than that.

01:43:40.100 --> 01:43:43.900
<v Sam>They may not want to say it right now, but you've got a lot of stuff going on

01:43:43.900 --> 01:43:46.460
<v Sam>that looks like congestive heart failure.

01:43:46.460 --> 01:43:50.740
<v Sam>And then, though, I have seen a bunch of doctors, including,

01:43:50.980 --> 01:43:56.480
<v Sam>by the way, our very own Ed on our Mudgeons Corner Slack, saying given all the

01:43:56.480 --> 01:43:58.640
<v Sam>information they have released on this,

01:43:59.120 --> 01:44:03.100
<v Sam>it does look like something that they've done all the tests for the things that

01:44:03.100 --> 01:44:05.040
<v Sam>could be serious causes of this.

01:44:05.040 --> 01:44:07.580
<v Ivan>Venus insufficiency is what the letter said exactly.

01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:13.560
<v Sam>Yes, yes. And, like, it very well, this is common, and this doesn't have a high

01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.660
<v Sam>mortality rate, and it's manageable.

01:44:16.100 --> 01:44:21.220
<v Sam>And so, like, people shouldn't get over their skis. And I've seen a lot of doctors also say that.

01:44:21.440 --> 01:44:28.500
<v Sam>But I think part of the reason why people are jumping to other things is no

01:44:28.500 --> 01:44:33.260
<v Sam>one freaking trusts the White House doctor to be actually giving the full story.

01:44:33.400 --> 01:44:33.720
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:37.800
<v Sam>You know, so look.

01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:40.540
<v Ivan>The White House doctor doesn't matter who's been in power.

01:44:41.550 --> 01:44:48.070
<v Ivan>OK, it has never been fully forthcoming about the health of any of our presidents.

01:44:48.350 --> 01:44:50.290
<v Sam>OK, yes. Republican or Democrat.

01:44:50.450 --> 01:44:51.410
<v Ivan>Republican or Democrat.

01:44:51.710 --> 01:44:57.490
<v Sam>And we've got all kinds of historical examples of this going back 100 plus years.

01:44:57.590 --> 01:45:03.890
<v Ivan>Yes, yes. So, you know, look, it's it's not, you know, it's part of the job.

01:45:04.550 --> 01:45:12.110
<v Ivan>But given that, you know, even before he was president, unlike Joe or some other

01:45:12.110 --> 01:45:15.290
<v Ivan>presidents that have provided a hell of a lot more detail into their health.

01:45:15.530 --> 01:45:23.310
<v Ivan>OK, I mean, Trump, I mean, when he first ran for president, all we got was that letter from Dr.

01:45:23.530 --> 01:45:27.330
<v Ivan>Bornstein, whatever his name is, talking about that he was the physical,

01:45:27.630 --> 01:45:34.650
<v Ivan>the best physical specimen ever. And that's basically all we have really gotten about his health.

01:45:34.850 --> 01:45:37.250
<v Ivan>We've never really gotten anything else.

01:45:37.850 --> 01:45:46.890
<v Ivan>He probably, at least in recent times, has been the one from where we have gotten

01:45:46.890 --> 01:45:50.830
<v Ivan>the least amount of any detailed information about his health.

01:45:51.190 --> 01:45:54.190
<v Ivan>I mean, just starting from his weight, Sam, for God's sakes.

01:45:54.750 --> 01:45:58.770
<v Ivan>You know, Eli, I mean, everything on the report, you look at it and you're like,

01:45:59.130 --> 01:46:03.130
<v Ivan>man, this is just a fucking like just pack of lies straight out.

01:46:03.350 --> 01:46:06.310
<v Sam>Because, of course, he's an incredibly muscular athlete.

01:46:06.770 --> 01:46:11.250
<v Ivan>Yes, absolutely. I mean, it's so nuts.

01:46:11.730 --> 01:46:17.430
<v Sam>And so, look, the speculation, the reason that the doctor had to put out a statement

01:46:17.430 --> 01:46:23.130
<v Sam>was because people were openly speculating about his health due to his visual appearance.

01:46:23.130 --> 01:46:27.590
<v Ivan>That, listen, dude, that swollen, his ankles swollen were really,

01:46:27.830 --> 01:46:29.070
<v Ivan>really, really swollen.

01:46:29.570 --> 01:46:33.070
<v Ivan>That was not just a tad. Holy shit. You know?

01:46:33.590 --> 01:46:38.590
<v Ivan>I mean, that it was so bad that these guys have always, like,

01:46:38.750 --> 01:46:40.550
<v Ivan>deflected everything and just not said anything.

01:46:41.170 --> 01:46:46.830
<v Ivan>The fact that they actually had the doctor put out a note tells you how self-conscious

01:46:46.830 --> 01:46:48.350
<v Ivan>they are about how bad it is.

01:46:48.350 --> 01:46:53.150
<v Sam>And by the way, like one of the things they said is the patches and bruises

01:46:53.150 --> 01:46:56.390
<v Sam>on his arm were due to excessive handshaking.

01:46:56.630 --> 01:46:58.050
<v Sam>Now, first of all.

01:46:58.230 --> 01:46:58.670
<v Ivan>Bullshit.

01:46:59.390 --> 01:47:04.650
<v Sam>They did mention that, look, it's very common in older people to bruise very easily.

01:47:05.070 --> 01:47:08.490
<v Sam>That's true. And it's very true. Like I, you know.

01:47:08.610 --> 01:47:11.250
<v Ivan>I've got that happening with my father now all of a sudden. Yeah.

01:47:11.350 --> 01:47:17.350
<v Sam>Yeah. My father as well. Very easily bruises. It is common in older people to

01:47:17.350 --> 01:47:22.150
<v Sam>have that situation, but a number of people pointed out, given the location,

01:47:23.530 --> 01:47:31.630
<v Sam>Given the location and given what it looked like, it's also consistent with, he's recently had IVs.

01:47:31.930 --> 01:47:32.490
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:47:32.670 --> 01:47:36.170
<v Sam>You know, for something or other. Now, that's not proof.

01:47:36.270 --> 01:47:43.050
<v Ivan>Which by the way, by the way, by the way, which the IVs could explain why he was so swollen.

01:47:43.530 --> 01:47:49.170
<v Ivan>Because that happens. Okay? When you've had to receive a mass amount of IVs

01:47:49.170 --> 01:47:52.370
<v Ivan>to get that kind of swelling like he had down in his ankles.

01:47:53.430 --> 01:47:56.510
<v Sam>I don't know. I'm not going to do medical speculation.

01:47:56.890 --> 01:47:58.530
<v Ivan>It's something I've seen.

01:47:58.690 --> 01:47:59.930
<v Sam>Other than repeat other people's medical speculation.

01:48:00.150 --> 01:48:00.870
<v Ivan>But yeah, but no, yeah.

01:48:01.670 --> 01:48:06.030
<v Sam>But like, so the question is like, okay, he's deteriorating mentally.

01:48:06.030 --> 01:48:07.850
<v Sam>He's deteriorating physically.

01:48:08.370 --> 01:48:09.730
<v Ivan>Not fast enough, Sam.

01:48:11.550 --> 01:48:15.610
<v Sam>And he's spiraling due to this Epstein stuff that he's obviously scared.

01:48:15.610 --> 01:48:20.570
<v Ivan>I'm hoping he has a stroke or a heart attack soon. That's so nice of you.

01:48:20.710 --> 01:48:20.990
<v Sam>Mr. Boyd.

01:48:20.990 --> 01:48:24.710
<v Ivan>I've never really wished this upon anybody except this motherfucker.

01:48:25.270 --> 01:48:29.890
<v Ivan>I really wish this guy ill health. And I hope I don't ever wish somebody else

01:48:29.890 --> 01:48:31.630
<v Ivan>ill health again in my life.

01:48:32.670 --> 01:48:37.910
<v Sam>Well, and the question is, you know, does all of these trends,

01:48:38.470 --> 01:48:45.910
<v Sam>like, look, every time we've had things before that we think this is finally

01:48:45.910 --> 01:48:51.690
<v Sam>the turning point on XYZ, he bounces back and is back to normal a few weeks later.

01:48:52.590 --> 01:48:56.850
<v Sam>Whether it's health or scandal or whatever.

01:48:57.690 --> 01:49:04.670
<v Sam>But so far, this feels a little bit different because on the scandal-wise,

01:49:04.810 --> 01:49:09.450
<v Sam>for the very first time, it's his own base that's more upset than anybody else.

01:49:09.590 --> 01:49:14.410
<v Sam>It's not just the Democrats making noise.

01:49:14.770 --> 01:49:17.990
<v Sam>It's his own base that's upset about the scandal.

01:49:18.210 --> 01:49:23.090
<v Sam>And the health stuff just seems more pronounced than it has been in previous episodes.

01:49:23.330 --> 01:49:28.030
<v Ivan>Well, recently I was looking at this and, you know, and I was reading an article

01:49:28.030 --> 01:49:34.970
<v Ivan>that it talks about how we apparently don't age like slowly and gracefully.

01:49:35.270 --> 01:49:37.370
<v Ivan>Okay? We age in bursts.

01:49:38.270 --> 01:49:38.490
<v Sam>Right.

01:49:38.830 --> 01:49:46.370
<v Ivan>Okay? And, you know, and there is a burst that is Just about as in one of the

01:49:46.370 --> 01:49:50.730
<v Ivan>articles I was reading that happens in the late 70s. Okay.

01:49:52.010 --> 01:49:53.490
<v Ivan>It's just one of those things.

01:49:54.250 --> 01:49:59.330
<v Sam>Well, and so these things can be triggered either by an instant,

01:49:59.510 --> 01:50:03.010
<v Sam>like you have a fall and all of a sudden you get worse or by stress.

01:50:04.300 --> 01:50:08.580
<v Sam>So, you know, maybe the Epstein stuff is stressing him out and causing all of

01:50:08.580 --> 01:50:13.300
<v Sam>these other physical and mental things to deteriorate faster as well. Who knows?

01:50:13.500 --> 01:50:16.600
<v Ivan>Well, he wanted to be president again. Of course.

01:50:16.900 --> 01:50:19.120
<v Sam>Well, he really just wanted to avoid jail.

01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:21.300
<v Ivan>Fuck. Yeah.

01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:22.100
<v Sam>Which he did.

01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:24.500
<v Ivan>He did. Motherfucker.

01:50:25.660 --> 01:50:26.180
<v Sam>So.

01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:27.480
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:50:27.700 --> 01:50:30.360
<v Sam>Well. The only question I have about this.

01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:31.060
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:50:31.060 --> 01:50:36.500
<v Sam>Assume, assume he doesn't just drop dead of his illnesses or whatever,

01:50:36.500 --> 01:50:39.500
<v Sam>and he just continues to deteriorate.

01:50:39.980 --> 01:50:45.300
<v Sam>Are, you know, are, are, are, are his supporters going to pretend that this

01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:47.740
<v Sam>isn't happening for the next three years?

01:50:48.060 --> 01:50:51.820
<v Ivan>They're probably going to say that it's a clone or something like that.

01:50:52.040 --> 01:50:54.220
<v Ivan>I don't know. Some stupid thing. Who knows?

01:50:54.320 --> 01:50:58.880
<v Sam>I mean, like, you know, and there is a thing too. Like, I mean,

01:50:59.460 --> 01:51:02.860
<v Sam>you know, we sort of acknowledged that Joe Biden was getting older,

01:51:02.940 --> 01:51:06.240
<v Sam>but we said, look, but his staff around him can handle everything.

01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:12.380
<v Sam>And, you know, he's still making the important decisions and, you know, et cetera.

01:51:13.300 --> 01:51:20.920
<v Sam>And I feel like the difference to me is that I think Joe Biden was starting

01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:27.100
<v Sam>at a point where even on his worst days, he was better than Trump on his best day.

01:51:27.420 --> 01:51:32.060
<v Ivan>Correct. He was, he was coherent. He had an overarching strategy.

01:51:32.340 --> 01:51:36.220
<v Ivan>They knew what the fuck they were. You know, there was a strategy.

01:51:37.220 --> 01:51:42.200
<v Ivan>One of the things about being a great executive, okay, which I think Joe Biden was,

01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:47.980
<v Ivan>okay, is that you have this strategy and you don't need to be,

01:51:48.140 --> 01:51:53.600
<v Ivan>you have the right team to whom it is delegated to execute.

01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:59.440
<v Ivan>You don't have to do this day to day, but you're so consistent on it and you've

01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:02.920
<v Ivan>already set it out and you're not changing your mind every two seconds.

01:52:03.100 --> 01:52:05.820
<v Ivan>You have them set in the direction. your team knows what

01:52:05.820 --> 01:52:11.520
<v Ivan>where the fuck they're pushing where they're going okay with trump man one day

01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:19.020
<v Ivan>oh we're doing no no no farmers no hotel employees or restaurant employees you

01:52:19.020 --> 01:52:23.940
<v Ivan>know immigration raid three days later yes yes yes arrest the ball bring them.

01:52:23.940 --> 01:52:26.540
<v Sam>All whatever like whatever oh today.

01:52:26.540 --> 01:52:28.360
<v Ivan>No no tariffs on these guys.

01:52:28.360 --> 01:52:31.420
<v Sam>Yes tariffs tomorrow oh no no

01:52:31.420 --> 01:52:34.680
<v Sam>no this i mean every day no no absolutely you're

01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:38.200
<v Sam>100 right but add on top of that because for

01:52:38.200 --> 01:52:41.500
<v Sam>this second term his only criteria

01:52:41.500 --> 01:52:45.020
<v Sam>for who to staff his administration is loyalty

01:52:45.020 --> 01:52:48.020
<v Sam>you've also got a bunch of incompetence anyway

01:52:48.020 --> 01:52:51.200
<v Sam>yes yes so like you know

01:52:51.200 --> 01:52:54.780
<v Sam>if donald trump falls apart everything else

01:52:54.780 --> 01:52:57.600
<v Sam>falls apart too which you know in some

01:52:57.600 --> 01:53:01.440
<v Sam>cases may be good because it stops them from doing the evil things they were

01:53:01.440 --> 01:53:07.360
<v Sam>gonna do correct but you know now there there are a couple of exceptions of

01:53:07.360 --> 01:53:15.160
<v Sam>people who are evil and know what they're doing too you know yeah yeah um i'd put maybe uh,

01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:19.180
<v Sam>you know, Miller might be in this category.

01:53:19.820 --> 01:53:22.620
<v Ivan>Like, you know, is an idiot. Right.

01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:27.340
<v Ivan>I mean, he probably, you know, if no Trump is there, he'll probably spend the

01:53:27.340 --> 01:53:30.900
<v Ivan>rest of his, you know, the rest of his time over there.

01:53:31.060 --> 01:53:34.680
<v Ivan>Like, I don't know, doing YouTube videos and posting on Instagram.

01:53:35.180 --> 01:53:38.480
<v Sam>Right. And then, but I, you know, another one,

01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:42.560
<v Sam>which if something happens to Trump is important, jd vance

01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:49.540
<v Sam>i think he's actually like competent you know i think he wants to do a lot of

01:53:49.540 --> 01:53:54.360
<v Sam>horrible things but he's actually competent unlike donald trump so if we end

01:53:54.360 --> 01:53:59.260
<v Sam>up with a vance he's a grifter and so whatever he is a grifter he is absolutely you.

01:53:59.260 --> 01:54:00.480
<v Ivan>Know what he is going to.

01:54:00.480 --> 01:54:05.400
<v Sam>Go he has the positions he has because he calculated those would get him ahead exactly he.

01:54:05.400 --> 01:54:07.140
<v Ivan>Is going to go with the flow.

01:54:07.140 --> 01:54:09.220
<v Sam>Yes so.

01:54:09.220 --> 01:54:16.500
<v Ivan>You know who the hell you know if a whole bunch of business people come to him

01:54:16.500 --> 01:54:20.700
<v Ivan>and say hey fuck this immigration thing you're killing our business what the fuck are you doing.

01:54:20.700 --> 01:54:26.860
<v Sam>Oh i think if if vance became president tomorrow all this tariff shit would be gone the next oh the.

01:54:26.860 --> 01:54:28.200
<v Ivan>Next day the.

01:54:28.200 --> 01:54:31.140
<v Sam>Tariffs are gone the next day i don't.

01:54:31.140 --> 01:54:35.900
<v Ivan>You know So, yes, the only guy that wants tariffs that I can see in that administration

01:54:35.900 --> 01:54:38.360
<v Ivan>are, like, Nutlick and Navarro.

01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:43.680
<v Ivan>Ron Verro. That's it. Everybody else is like, fuck these tariffs. Get rid of them.

01:54:44.480 --> 01:54:48.080
<v Sam>Yeah. Now, Vance may double down on the immigration stuff, though.

01:54:48.260 --> 01:54:51.460
<v Sam>Who knows? Or he may change his mind entirely because he'd be like,

01:54:51.580 --> 01:54:55.500
<v Sam>oh, you know, actually, you know, my wife's an immigrant. Everything's cool.

01:54:55.500 --> 01:54:59.980
<v Ivan>Or the farm workers, the thing. And I'm like, yeah, you know,

01:55:00.080 --> 01:55:02.120
<v Ivan>we don't want to fuck the farms.

01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:02.960
<v Sam>Right.

01:55:03.480 --> 01:55:07.580
<v Ivan>You know what I'm saying? Because you wind up with one of these guys who's like

01:55:07.580 --> 01:55:10.300
<v Ivan>more pro business. They're going to be like, well, what are we doing?

01:55:10.300 --> 01:55:11.440
<v Ivan>We're killing all these little companies.

01:55:11.440 --> 01:55:14.300
<v Sam>Well, here's another difference. If Vance becomes president,

01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:16.600
<v Sam>he's going to want to be president again.

01:55:17.060 --> 01:55:19.540
<v Sam>Right. And so he's going to want to do popular things.

01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:23.180
<v Ivan>Exactly. And that immigration shit is very unpopular.

01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:27.640
<v Sam>Right. Whereas this time around, Donald Trump isn't caring one tiny bit.

01:55:27.740 --> 01:55:30.540
<v Sam>He doesn't give a shit. He just wants to plow ahead.

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:37.340
<v Ivan>I have the strange feeling also that other than Donald Trump liking him and

01:55:37.340 --> 01:55:42.280
<v Ivan>using him because as his evil, like, you know, stormtrooper, Steve Miller.

01:55:42.660 --> 01:55:46.660
<v Ivan>I have a feeling that nobody else really likes him because that's been his whole

01:55:46.660 --> 01:55:48.620
<v Ivan>life where nobody has really liked him anyway.

01:55:48.860 --> 01:55:49.120
<v Sam>Steve Miller.

01:55:49.460 --> 01:55:53.620
<v Ivan>Yeah, Steve Miller. so he's probably a guy that if JD Vance gets in there I'm

01:55:53.620 --> 01:55:58.000
<v Ivan>like fuck this guy I mean I don't care maybe I agree with like 50% the shit

01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:03.240
<v Ivan>he's doing I can't stand him you know get rid of this asshole mmhmm,

01:56:04.650 --> 01:56:06.430
<v Ivan>You can go watch Elon Musk fuck his wife.

01:56:07.330 --> 01:56:09.390
<v Sam>Well, apparently they've broken up too now.

01:56:09.730 --> 01:56:10.130
<v Ivan>Who?

01:56:10.370 --> 01:56:13.290
<v Sam>Miller's wife is now no longer with Elon.

01:56:13.670 --> 01:56:14.170
<v Ivan>Aww.

01:56:15.210 --> 01:56:18.670
<v Sam>She took off all the SpaceX stuff off her social media.

01:56:19.410 --> 01:56:25.490
<v Sam>And a few other things. So apparently, like, aww.

01:56:26.010 --> 01:56:29.670
<v Ivan>I feel so bad for her.

01:56:32.150 --> 01:56:33.910
<v Ivan>What a shame.

01:56:34.650 --> 01:56:38.450
<v Sam>I think the important question is just, was she impregnated first?

01:56:38.990 --> 01:56:41.030
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah. That's the question.

01:56:41.390 --> 01:56:43.550
<v Sam>How many children can she deliver for Elon?

01:56:43.810 --> 01:56:44.170
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:56:44.730 --> 01:56:47.590
<v Sam>Because, you know, that's what matters, apparently.

01:56:48.490 --> 01:56:48.850
<v Ivan>Huh.

01:56:49.130 --> 01:56:49.990
<v Sam>Are we done?

01:56:50.230 --> 01:56:50.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, we're done.

01:56:51.370 --> 01:56:57.010
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01:57:28.190 --> 01:57:35.350
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01:57:43.050 --> 01:57:49.190
<v Sam>So Yvonne, what is a highlight from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that you would

01:57:49.190 --> 01:57:53.110
<v Sam>like to talk about that we have not otherwise mentioned so far on this show?

01:57:53.390 --> 01:57:56.490
<v Ivan>Oh God, I'm trying to figure out which one.

01:57:57.010 --> 01:57:57.870
<v Sam>Oh, come on.

01:57:59.910 --> 01:58:03.490
<v Ivan>Let's do the one obvious. All right. The one obvious one. Okay.

01:58:03.610 --> 01:58:06.190
<v Ivan>So we shared this. It's been all over the place.

01:58:06.470 --> 01:58:10.210
<v Ivan>I hear who shared it. I think it was Bob shared it first.

01:58:11.170 --> 01:58:15.890
<v Sam>I've been watching it for a while before Bob shared it. But like he was the one who brought it.

01:58:15.990 --> 01:58:23.210
<v Ivan>So there is a CEO and his HRVP that were in a Coldplay concert.

01:58:23.590 --> 01:58:26.710
<v Ivan>They were, I guess, in an embrace.

01:58:27.450 --> 01:58:31.090
<v Sam>So say that right apparently there and there.

01:58:31.090 --> 01:58:33.210
<v Ivan>Was a camera that was like panning around.

01:58:33.210 --> 01:58:35.930
<v Sam>Well it's more than that

01:58:35.930 --> 01:58:38.750
<v Sam>let me describe it because they should have known better in a number of

01:58:38.750 --> 01:58:44.930
<v Sam>ways apparently it is a routine part of the Coldplay concert series that they're

01:58:44.930 --> 01:58:50.690
<v Sam>on that at a certain point in the show they find a couple in the audience they

01:58:50.690 --> 01:58:56.150
<v Sam>put the camera on them and then he does an impromptu song about the couple.

01:58:57.140 --> 01:58:57.460
<v Ivan>Hot.

01:58:57.800 --> 01:59:03.920
<v Sam>Okay. So that is what normally happens. So the camera found these two and she

01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.600
<v Sam>was in front of him. He was hugging her.

01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:11.840
<v Sam>She was hugging him. They were in an embrace and the camera goes to them and

01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:15.680
<v Sam>they're looking all happy. And then they look up at the jumbotron or whatever

01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:18.140
<v Sam>and realize that they are on it.

01:59:18.420 --> 01:59:18.820
<v Ivan>Right.

01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:23.980
<v Sam>And he immediately just drops to the ground out of frame.

01:59:24.400 --> 01:59:24.760
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:29.700
<v Sam>And then she, well, first their eyes go wide when they realize what's happening.

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:35.720
<v Sam>Then he drops to the ground and then she sort of turns around and hides her face.

01:59:35.860 --> 01:59:36.140
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:42.160
<v Sam>And then the Coldplay, like main singer, I forget his name, Chris something maybe.

01:59:42.380 --> 01:59:49.420
<v Sam>I don't know Coldplay. But he says, oh, oh, what's going on here?

01:59:49.420 --> 01:59:55.120
<v Sam>These two, they're either having an affair, or they're just very shy.

01:59:58.980 --> 02:00:04.220
<v Sam>And she's just hiding. He's gone. Who the hell knows where he's gone to.

02:00:04.480 --> 02:00:10.900
<v Sam>And of course, because they reacted this way, this instantly went viral.

02:00:11.820 --> 02:00:15.540
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, what I said is that if they probably just played it cool,

02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:16.840
<v Ivan>nobody would have, you know.

02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:22.220
<v Sam>Even if they were, yes. Even if they were co-workers that probably shouldn't

02:00:22.220 --> 02:00:24.020
<v Sam>have been hugging each other in public on camera.

02:00:24.020 --> 02:00:25.160
<v Ivan>Nobody would have seen this anyway.

02:00:25.800 --> 02:00:29.660
<v Sam>Yeah, and I've seen a couple skits done on TikTok and such of,

02:00:29.800 --> 02:00:34.220
<v Sam>like, people showing how you could have played it off in a variety of different ways.

02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:38.800
<v Sam>Like, even if they started off in that hugging position, they could have immediately

02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:40.200
<v Sam>done, like, a little skit.

02:00:40.200 --> 02:00:44.920
<v Sam>or like, you know, there are a number of different ways they could have reacted

02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:50.720
<v Sam>that at the very least would not have attracted attention of the crowd and the

02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:52.700
<v Sam>people videoing it right at that moment.

02:00:52.760 --> 02:00:59.060
<v Sam>And quite possibly even could have convinced their spouses that it was innocent,

02:00:59.340 --> 02:01:01.120
<v Sam>depending on what they did. Okay.

02:01:01.480 --> 02:01:07.460
<v Sam>But as it was, because they acted so incredibly guilty, Instantly,

02:01:07.460 --> 02:01:09.620
<v Sam>this was being shared everywhere.

02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:12.620
<v Sam>He made the comment about they must be having an affair.

02:01:12.940 --> 02:01:15.280
<v Sam>And within a few hours...

02:01:16.190 --> 02:01:21.110
<v Sam>They were both identified because he was a CEO of the company and she was the

02:01:21.110 --> 02:01:25.510
<v Sam>chief people officer, the head of HR for the same company.

02:01:25.850 --> 02:01:30.670
<v Sam>A third person in the video was misidentified as another HR employee.

02:01:30.810 --> 02:01:31.890
<v Sam>Apparently, she was not.

02:01:33.270 --> 02:01:36.690
<v Sam>They identified her as some specific HR employee.

02:01:36.930 --> 02:01:38.730
<v Ivan>This thing has been a mean factory.

02:01:38.930 --> 02:01:39.010
<v Sam>Though.

02:01:39.210 --> 02:01:44.830
<v Ivan>The one thing about this, it's gone so viral because of the way they reacted.

02:01:44.830 --> 02:01:48.270
<v Ivan>it's been like a bean factory it's just so crazy i

02:01:48.270 --> 02:01:51.130
<v Ivan>mean there's been just so many of them there was one

02:01:51.130 --> 02:01:54.390
<v Ivan>that was like coldplay what did uh tweeted

02:01:54.390 --> 02:01:57.750
<v Ivan>i don't know it tweeted or blue sky or whatever starting with our next show

02:01:57.750 --> 02:02:01.710
<v Ivan>we're introducing a camera free audience sections for people and their side

02:02:01.710 --> 02:02:07.250
<v Ivan>pieces there is a picture of like epstein hugging galane maxwell with a caption

02:02:07.250 --> 02:02:11.590
<v Ivan>telling my kids this was taken at a coldplay concert there is one i've seen.

02:02:11.590 --> 02:02:14.850
<v Sam>Another version of this with Donald and Epstein.

02:02:14.850 --> 02:02:19.550
<v Ivan>Together. There's been that one. There's one that it's a play on the movie Airplane

02:02:19.550 --> 02:02:22.650
<v Ivan>where they go, hey, Jim never does this at home.

02:02:22.770 --> 02:02:25.410
<v Ivan>It says, Jim never listens to Coldplay at home.

02:02:25.670 --> 02:02:29.450
<v Ivan>You know, which that was on the Airplane movie. That was like a comedy.

02:02:29.830 --> 02:02:34.650
<v Ivan>There was like, listen, ESPN SportsCenter had two of their anchors hugging like

02:02:34.650 --> 02:02:39.090
<v Ivan>that and they panned to them and they're all of a sudden freaking out and doing the thing.

02:02:39.250 --> 02:02:43.790
<v Ivan>The Philadelphia fanatic was hugging another Philadelphia fanatic and did that

02:02:43.790 --> 02:02:46.630
<v Ivan>during the kiss cam tonight at the fucking game.

02:02:47.050 --> 02:02:51.970
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just this thing. It's like just take it. It's been so damn viral. Okay.

02:02:52.630 --> 02:02:58.430
<v Ivan>It's like crazy. And all they had to do probably was just keep doing the song,

02:02:58.590 --> 02:03:00.490
<v Ivan>whatever, ignore it. And that's it.

02:03:00.790 --> 02:03:04.690
<v Ivan>No, they created themselves a massive mega viral.

02:03:04.970 --> 02:03:09.030
<v Sam>Just immediately move from the hug to like waving at the camera. And.

02:03:09.030 --> 02:03:12.190
<v Ivan>Their board is investigating them right now.

02:03:12.190 --> 02:03:17.410
<v Sam>Oh they've both been put on leave they're being investigated they are clearly

02:03:17.410 --> 02:03:23.070
<v Sam>not going to be continuing in what they were doing before who knows i.

02:03:23.070 --> 02:03:26.230
<v Ivan>Don't i'm not gonna say that but.

02:03:26.230 --> 02:03:33.090
<v Sam>Uh the wife the wife of the ceo immediately changed her name on social media

02:03:33.090 --> 02:03:38.310
<v Sam>to her maiden name asked for privacy and eventually privated the account well

02:03:38.310 --> 02:03:41.810
<v Sam>i have etc the other thing i I haven't heard about her husband yet.

02:03:41.950 --> 02:03:46.410
<v Sam>Her husband, they were both married, you know, so, you know,

02:03:46.610 --> 02:03:50.330
<v Sam>and, and look again, like if they hadn't looked so guilty,

02:03:51.130 --> 02:03:56.790
<v Sam>you know, is coworkers being, you know, having a fun moment at the game,

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<v Sam>but they instantly looked guilty. So it was like,

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<v Sam>You know, of course you're going to read into it. Like, yeah,

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<v Sam>if somebody says, oh, there's nothing going on.

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<v Sam>They were just hugging at the game. Nobody's going to believe them because if

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<v Sam>they were innocent, they wouldn't have reacted that way.

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<v Ivan>Exactly. Okay. The other one that I don't want to be remiss is one where Sam

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<v Ivan>shared a fucking TikTok of what year does someone have to be born in order to be considered old?

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<v Ivan>these fucking teenagers all kept saying like 2001 2002 i'm like okay let me

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<v Ivan>be clear go fuck yourselves all of you.

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<v Sam>Hey a couple of them.

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<v Ivan>Got into the late 90s yeah yeah they got into the 90s i think i heard one go

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<v Ivan>all the way to 90 basically saying that most of.

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<v Sam>Them were in fact after the year 2000.

02:04:49.030 --> 02:04:53.930
<v Ivan>And they said that apparently when you turn 25 you're never doing anything anymore.

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<v Ivan>You're just, like, getting ready to be old or die or something.

02:04:57.530 --> 02:04:59.990
<v Ivan>I'm just like, give me a fucking break.

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<v Ivan>Divorce insurance should exist because women grow and nurture babies while pushing

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<v Ivan>their careers only to see their husband on the Jumbotron at a Coldplay concert.

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<v Sam>You know, financially, at least, his wife is going to make out just fine.

02:05:16.870 --> 02:05:20.330
<v Ivan>Yeah, she's going to do great. She's going to be fine. I'm going to be a problem.

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<v Ivan>Alright, we're done. There we go.

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<v Sam>Okay. Thanks, everybody. Don't get sick like Yvonne.

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<v Sam>And have a safe week. Don't do anything crazy. And we'll be back.

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<v Sam>What's the phrase? Unless the cricks rise. Okay, that's bad because there were bad floods last week.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, no, no, no.

02:05:41.350 --> 02:05:46.010
<v Sam>There were bad floods in Texas that we didn't talk about. But we will be back

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<v Sam>unless something massively unexpected happens.

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<v Sam>So tune in next week. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Bye. Bye.

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<v Sam>Thank you.

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<v Sam>Okay, here we go. It's time for the stop button. Very excited.

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<v Sam>Very exciting. Have a nice night, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Good night.

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<v Sam>Good night.

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<v Ivan>All right, let's see. Come on.

