Sam: Yellow.
Ivan: Hi. Okay, this is working.
Sam: Let me get all the other people to see the colors.
Sam: Okay, we're going there.
Sam: And boom. Boom.
Sam: Okay, all the preliminaries are already out of the way. Shall we just go?
Ivan: Shall we un-preliminate?
Sam: Un-preliminate. Un-preliminate. This is an interesting word.
Ivan: Me too. Okay.
Sam: Here goes the doohickey.
Ivan: The doohickey. With a theme.
Sam: Welcome to curmudgeons corner for saturday july 19th 2025. It's just about two
Sam: UTC as we're starting to record.
Sam: I am Sam Minter and Yvonne Bo is here again today. Hello, Yvonne.
Sam: Are you feeling better? You were sick last week.
Ivan: I felt horrible last week. I had a combination of a cold with some gastro issues.
Sam: Oh, that's always fun.
Ivan: Which happened to just coincide. It's just, it was horrible.
Ivan: I literally spent in bed. I am a guy.
Ivan: I don't, I'll, I'll take breaks. I usually sometimes if I'm tired during the day.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: I mean, I'm working like, you know, working from home, especially.
Ivan: But I remember that I always wound up sometimes feeling somewhat tired in the afternoon.
Ivan: I remember in the office. I mean, when I went to the office,
Ivan: I was like, oh, man, I remember that that 2.30 to 4 o'clock time, I was like, oh, man.
Ivan: And I remember that my energy would reignite at 5.
Sam: See, now, the way I go, like, my body clock, like, I have had that mid-afternoon wall sometimes.
Sam: But my usual experience on my normal days are to be dragging all morning long and actually get that,
Sam: like, I'm actually ready to go and my body is into things, like, around 1 or 2 p.m.
Ivan: No, I'll drag early.
Sam: And then I'm ready to go.
Ivan: I'll drag early.
Ivan: And then I've got a good burst, like, after 9.30, 10. Okay, I'm good.
Sam: Oh, yeah. All right? I'm still Dragon 10.
Ivan: 11. But I'm, you know, look, before 9.30, I'm just, you know,
Ivan: come on, man. Give me a fucking break, you know?
Sam: Oh, before 9.30, I'm practically a zombie.
Ivan: Listen, when I worked at HP, I had, you know, that I had to go to the office. HP was very flexible.
Ivan: I mean, I would get to the office every day around 9.30 to 10.
Ivan: Okay. Yep. that that was fine that was not
Ivan: a problem and i usually the thing is because they're flexible and i
Ivan: like i said i got a burst of energy at five so
Ivan: i'm not heading home at five shit that's
Ivan: like my peak productivity time what hit like at five so no i would be you know
Ivan: banging away and shit until 7 30 because that's like when you know all of a
Ivan: sudden maybe my day would drag and all of a sudden, everything would gel.
Ivan: I'm like, shit, this shit, it's all coming out now. Boom! You know?
Sam: My, look, my peak productivity, if I had no other constraints,
Sam: would be like, yeah, I would start to really hit my stride around three or four o'clock.
Sam: And from there until midnight is like my prime hours. Okay.
Ivan: You know, now here's the thing. If I were able, if I were able to be on a sleep
Ivan: schedule that didn't make me have to fucking wake up.
Ivan: as early as I have to now, I would be in sync with what you're talking about, okay?
Ivan: Well, see, here's the thing for- The fucking problem is that kids' obligations.
Sam: Bullshit- This is what I was going to say.
Ivan: Make it that I got to be up at fucking 6.45, so my burst now at that hour is not- Yeah.
Sam: This is exactly what I was getting at.
Sam: Like, you know, I don't hit those peak hours for work because,
Sam: yeah, I have home obligations.
Sam: And you mentioned you'd keep working past five. If I was working from home,
Sam: I probably would keep working from home longer.
Sam: But I've got this hour and a half commute home.
Sam: And if I leave work at five, I'm already talking about getting home 6.30 to
Sam: seven, like potentially. Yeah, sure.
Sam: It's usually not a full hour and a half to get home, And it's a little bit better,
Sam: like on Fridays, but like, that's the actual drive.
Sam: Like from the moment I close my laptop, you know, I've still got like 15,
Sam: 20 minutes to like, you know, get all my stuff together, go to the garage, get in my car, get going.
Sam: And I'm not even counting that stuff.
Sam: And, you know, and, and I've usually, you know, this, like, I don't know.
Sam: The point is, you know, if I leave at five, realistically, I'm not available
Sam: to my family till like seven.
Ivan: Well, but my point is of this, bringing this up, was because I was mentioning
Ivan: about how, okay, I'm usually, I stayed in bed all Friday.
Sam: Oh, because you were sick. Yes.
Ivan: Yeah, I mean, so I'm not, but I'm usually one that's doing shit from morning
Ivan: till late. And I felt so bad That for...
Ivan: I don't know, the first time in quite a long time. I was in bed all day.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: I just, I was not, and I slept a lot of the day, which is the other thing.
Ivan: I don't, I might be sometimes not feeling well in bed. I was sleeping all day.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Because that's not normal. So that's, that's how, you know, I was feeling last
Ivan: week, which is why I was like, shit.
Ivan: I'm like, no, I can't, I can't do this. I'm just, you know, I'm so tired.
Ivan: and not feeling well.
Sam: Well, I mean, look, the bottom line.
Ivan: And then all of a sudden, I started going to the bathroom nonstop at three in the morning.
Sam: Oh, good. Nice, nice.
Ivan: Thank you for sharing. It's the perfect time, you know, for that to hit.
Ivan: Well, all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, man, come on. Really?
Sam: Well, look, here's the thing. I mean, you're talking about, like,
Sam: feeling bad that you're not working when you're sick.
Sam: I mean, that's like, our culture is so broken with that. It should just be like.
Ivan: Oh, I'm sick, I'm done. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Ivan: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not go crazy here.
Ivan: I felt bad about being sick. I didn't feel bad about not working.
Sam: Oh, okay, okay.
Ivan: Fuck that shit. No, no, no, no. What the fuck are you talking about? No, no, no.
Ivan: It felt bad that I felt sick, you know?
Ivan: I mean, did not work. And I'm like, listen, I immediately, I felt like shit.
Ivan: There were forecast calls. I called my boss. I said, dude, I'm sick. I'm out, you know?
Sam: Right.
Ivan: You know, see, I'm like, I'm not, you know. No, no, no.
Ivan: I mean, one thing about my current job in which I am working more than and not
Ivan: taking as much vacation as I normally do. And but let's be fair here.
Ivan: I take still quite a lot of vacation against the average American.
Sam: OK, yeah.
Ivan: But I haven't taken more just because.
Ivan: My my role is a sales job. And the reality is that when I take time off because
Ivan: I get paid commissions, I lose money. I lose money.
Sam: OK.
Ivan: All right. I lose money. And to me, I'm like, you know what?
Ivan: I feel like in this almost like when I had my own business where I'm like,
Ivan: look, if I'm not there minding the store every day, that money isn't coming in the till.
Ivan: right okay you know i gotta keep you
Ivan: know so so it's it's not even anybody demanding that i stay at work it's me
Ivan: like saying oh fuck this no i can't i can't go two weeks what am i crazy i gotta
Ivan: i gotta all these deals i gotta do this i gotta i gotta make this no fuck this
Ivan: shit i can't lose this money but but you know but contrary to others ivan get yeah all.
Sam: You have to do is send them a letter.
Ivan: I don't know why you're making this so complicated you know what listen it was
Ivan: a conversation today that I had with,
Ivan: listen, I had a very important presentation with a customer today,
Ivan: and I presented the proposal, and it was a big amount of money.
Ivan: It was about seven figures, okay?
Ivan: You know, we're not talking, you know, we're not talking, you know,
Ivan: 20, it was a big deal, okay?
Ivan: Seven figures for the first year, okay? So, you know, this go on for years, okay?
Ivan: And I go, And he said about talking to the CEO about the money.
Ivan: And I said, look, listen, the last thing I expect that I presented this about,
Ivan: are you just saying, hey, good.
Ivan: Oh, it's fine. Yeah. You know, I'm like, you know, I'm like,
Ivan: you know, if I'm asking people for that kind of money, I usually I don't.
Ivan: Is somebody just saying yes, that that that's like weird.
Ivan: And that's like the Donald Trump negotiating tactic, which is like,
Ivan: hey, I'll just send you a letter. See, you know, deal.
Ivan: The fuck they all kind of it's not
Ivan: a deal not deals the hell are
Ivan: we doing but anyway i i i was
Ivan: sick i i even though no sam i was not feeling bad about not working okay i you
Ivan: know i was perfectly happy not working i'm still i i calculated last year to
Ivan: talk about the fact that we have unlimited vacation at our company,
Ivan: I know that in the last 12 months, I've probably taken at least 40 vacation days. Okay. Yeah.
Sam: That's a lot.
Ivan: That's a lot. Yes.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: So, yeah, I mean, I've taken about 40 vacation days.
Ivan: So, you know, that's why I hear people complaining, oh, my God, I want them.
Ivan: It's a scam, the limited vacation. And I'm like, listen, shut up.
Ivan: Oh, you shut the fuck up. This is a scam only because you guys are all too scared of taking it.
Ivan: And at every company I have been, it's the same story.
Ivan: I have everybody around me always saying, oh, I can't take vacation. It's going to kill me.
Ivan: I'm like, you know what? I never, ever suffered from taking all of my vacation.
Ivan: Ever. Never a problem.
Sam: Okay?
Ivan: I always say that's more fear than anything. I usually, but one thing I did,
Ivan: I left everything organized.
Ivan: I made sure that everything was taken care of. I made sure that my boss didn't
Ivan: get called for a fire of any sort.
Ivan: And if anything was pending, just to make sure, you know, it somehow is going to be taken care of.
Ivan: OK, so that's the way. But but a lot of people, the thing that they do is,
Ivan: oh, yeah, you know, oh, I get yelled at taking vacation.
Ivan: You left the place on fire and you go. Right.
Ivan: And so you don't tell anybody it's on fire. So all of a sudden,
Ivan: you know, the fumes, the fire hits your boss and they're calling.
Ivan: What the fuck is going on?
Ivan: Well, shit, you left the place on fire, you idiot.
Ivan: What do you expect is going to happen?
Sam: Yes, that does make a difference.
Ivan: So, yeah, I, you know.
Sam: Well, I'm glad you're feeling better.
Ivan: I am feeling better. Thank God. And, uh, you know, I don't know. It worked.
Sam: Oh, yeah. I should mention our agenda. If you guys couldn't tell,
Sam: we're doing the butt first right now.
Sam: Yvonne just had a nice little story. I think, you know, I'm going to ask him
Sam: if he has anything else for the butt first in a second.
Sam: And then I'm going to do... This time, it's two movies.
Ivan: Two? Woo!
Sam: Well, I'm trying to do two every time because otherwise I'll never catch up.
Ivan: Yeah, otherwise we'll never catch up. Yes. Well, the other thing I want to mention
Ivan: is something that I didn't mention last week is that I did again...
Ivan: Recently, I went and I I decided instead of buying a new device.
Ivan: To get some repairs done on my devices. Okay.
Sam: Okay. You're talking mobile devices here.
Ivan: I'm talking, well, in this case, because I've done before iPads, other stuff, whatever.
Ivan: Right. Yeah. So, I mean, actually, but I talked, look, last year,
Ivan: I think it was a year and a half ago where I had the battery replaced on my
Ivan: work MacBook Pro. Okay. Also as well.
Ivan: But I decided that, you know, I don't think I'm going to, I want to get a new iPhone.
Ivan: 17 pro right now or and i asked my son if he wanted a new phone.
Sam: So so meanwhile my my my battery
Sam: is crap right now but i have
Sam: an iphone 12 still and my plan absolutely is to order the 17 as soon as it comes
Sam: out so i am not i have a 15 pro max and yeah i have mine is a 12 pro max i did
Sam: go to the apple store because i had the thing where it wasn't charging properly
Sam: because there was like a lint build up.
Ivan: Yeah, get lint in there, yeah.
Sam: So I have them.
Ivan: They have the tools that's better than anything you can do at home.
Ivan: That's better than anything that you can do at home, and they go over there, and they there you go.
Sam: Yeah, because I've tried to fix that at home.
Ivan: I've tried it too at home. Never works. They go over there, and it's like magic.
Sam: A couple seconds, it was beautiful again.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sam: But nevertheless, my battery sucks at this point. It will not last even through the workday.
Sam: I have one of those little battery packs i attach it to to get through the second
Sam: half of the day and but the but i know the new ones are coming out in like two
Sam: months you know last about two months yeah july august september yeah so i i'm
Sam: like yeah i'm just gonna make this one last a couple months and then i'll order
Sam: the new one and i'll be well.
Ivan: The thing is that i'm like look i i've got so my son has the se his battery
Ivan: life was in the crapper his his battery the the the the thing said 60 or something It was bad. Okay.
Ivan: And so I was going to get him a new phone, but he said no.
Ivan: I'm like, okay. And his phone, you know, him being like that was in really good shape.
Sam: So you got the battery upgraded.
Ivan: So I went and I'm like, you know what? I was able to just get him a new battery.
Ivan: And so my phone, it wasn't just the battery.
Ivan: I somehow, the front of the screen, had scratched it really bad. Okay.
Sam: Yeah. So you got your screen fixed.
Ivan: I had a very deep scratch that was like right down the middle. Okay.
Sam: Yep.
Ivan: Which is really irritating. Okay. and I was like, my phone was still under AppleCare,
Ivan: plus my son's, you know, it wasn't because his phone is older.
Ivan: But look, I got my, and I had, like right when it was new, I had cracked the
Ivan: rear bottom corner of the back of the screen.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: It was a tiny crack, and it happened when new. So it would be like almost two years ago.
Ivan: But I was like, look, if I'm going to take it, my battery was not down as bad
Ivan: as yours, but it was down enough that it was noticeable, okay?
Ivan: And it was down to around 85%. They told me at Apple that they would do it under
Ivan: AppleCare if it was under 80%. So I was not at the threshold.
Sam: Let me check where mine is actually right now.
Ivan: Yeah, so they went and $89 plus $30 got me the glass.
Sam: Mine's at 78%.
Ivan: It's not that bad.
Sam: It's not that bad.
Ivan: But here's what I will say. Here. Yeah, that's what that says.
Ivan: Let me tell you something.
Ivan: It's not really 78%. Because I noticed quickly when I got the battery back that
Ivan: that 15% in real world usage was a hell of a lot more than 15%.
Ivan: OK, it was like probably like I'd say closer to 40%.
Ivan: OK, so I'm not sure why, but it really that 50% made a hell of a lot more of
Ivan: a difference than than than 40%.
Ivan: Because I noticed that I kept going every day at my battery usage,
Ivan: kept reading about 110% before I got the battery.
Ivan: And then like right now, for example, and right now I haven't charged it all
Ivan: day. I still got 22% left.
Ivan: You know, so, so that's like, and I'm talking like, I would be like, it would be dead by now.
Ivan: So, so yeah, so I got it done.
Sam: So you have the Apple store experience.
Ivan: Yeah. I mean, usually always here, the store is very, I mean,
Ivan: it's close by. It's very easy to get stuff.
Sam: Well, I'll tell you, I had an Apple store experience this week too.
Sam: My, my, what, what you're laughing.
Ivan: Well, you said it in a way that sounded ominous. I had an experience.
Ivan: Let me tell you something.
Ivan: Let me tell you my experience.
Sam: No, no. They are always good to me. The Apple store is always good to me.
Ivan: They're always good to me. I never have problems with people.
Sam: And of course, I have all the Apple cares and all that kind of stuff.
Sam: So, like, no, this was my AirPod Maxes.
Sam: Like, just gave up the ghost. they'd been having a
Sam: harder and harder time pairing over the last few months
Sam: they've actually had a problem for a while but i was always able to like you
Sam: know it like you know it's supposed to automatically connect and reconnect and
Sam: blah blah it was routinely getting disconnected and the only way to get it back
Sam: was to sort of reset and repair and blah blah blah it was it was annoying and
Sam: it got worse and worse and then eventually like sometime last week it just stopped working entirely.
Sam: So I was still under Apple care and my Apple care on those things was good till January.
Sam: I took it in, the guy like examined them and was like, yeah,
Sam: there's something really wrong with these.
Sam: They're, they're not even like, you know, you unplug them and the light instantly
Sam: goes out and it's not responding and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: So he took it from me. They, I just got a note of, they had to like ship it
Sam: to somewhere to be looked at, but whatever.
Sam: I just got a notification that they've finished fixing them and it's on the way back FedEx to me.
Sam: And so I'll, I'll have it. I think they originally estimated I'd have it by
Sam: Saturday, but I think I saw that the estimate was now Monday,
Sam: but whatever did without them for a little while.
Sam: And, but you know, all taken care of, like went in there for a few minutes.
Sam: They looked at it all good. You know, I mean.
Ivan: This is the one thing where, you know, anybody tried to convince me to buy something else.
Ivan: and i remember
Ivan: what it was to get anything electronic repaired
Ivan: or what it is to get anything repaired outside of like my auto dealership experience
Ivan: or my apple experience how shit is and let me tell it's like it's like getting
Ivan: my damn samsung refrigerator fixed.
Ivan: I had technicians coming out six times. It's a mess. They never get it right.
Ivan: I had the same thing with washer or dryer.
Ivan: You know, I had the GE guy go and like, whoa, whoa, we'll charge you $300 to change this part.
Ivan: But, you know, it might not work and we're not going to give you your money
Ivan: back. You know, shit like, literally shit like that.
Ivan: Where I'm like, promised repairs that don't repair anything.
Ivan: And oh, by the way, oh, oh, we charge you the money. It didn't do anything. Fuck you.
Ivan: You know? So I'm sorry, okay?
Ivan: No, I like this experience. I remember, I mean, shit, the horrible time that
Ivan: I had getting a Sony TV repaired that I got, okay, like years ago.
Ivan: That was like horrible.
Ivan: It was horrible. They literally destroyed the TV trying to fix it.
Ivan: And then my TV was discontinued and they had to wind up, Well,
Ivan: we have either a bigger model, which didn't fit in my furniture.
Ivan: And I'm like, yes, Elwood can give you the bigger model. But that one doesn't fit.
Ivan: I don't have room for that one. Well, we can give you the same size,
Ivan: but it's a much crappier one.
Ivan: And I'm like, don't just want to be fixed.
Ivan: I just wanted my TV fixed. I didn't want you guys to break it.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: So this kind of shit, when I go to Apple, never happens.
Ivan: I go in, they fix it, they give it back to me, it works.
Ivan: And I don't, here's the one thing, it's, and look, me coming from HP,
Ivan: where we did a lot of end-user repairs.
Ivan: And man, our end-user experience at HP for devices was horrible.
Ivan: It was horrible. It was horrible, okay?
Sam: Right.
Ivan: I had people calling me, pleading, crying on the phone, begging for help to
Ivan: get their devices fixed.
Ivan: And then they would send in devices and they would get sent back saying repair
Ivan: it and they didn't touch anything or fix anything.
Ivan: And that happened often.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: So, yeah. So, to me, I put a lot of value in this experience,
Ivan: which is, yep, we'll do this. Yep. We'll get it back to you.
Ivan: Yep. Oh, oh, oh, well, we'll just swap it out. Fine.
Ivan: Well, you know, we have a, we have a re or, or if they think,
Ivan: oh, it's too hard. No, refurb.
Ivan: Fuck it. There you go. Have a refurb. Get out of here. Beat it.
Ivan: Hey, you know, they don't, they don't fuck around with a customer.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: And I, and I, you know, the, the one thing is that also why I'm,
Ivan: I'm keeping this phone and not buying one.
Ivan: I, I had to do something where I was going through all the Apple devices and
Ivan: purchases that I have made,
Ivan: Holy shit, I've bought a lot of Apple shit.
Sam: Oh, yeah.
Ivan: I was looking through this list all of a sudden. I'm like, holy mother of God, what the fuck?
Ivan: And so I realized that I went through the amount of money I also spent the last
Ivan: couple of years on a number of devices.
Ivan: And I realized that it was...
Sam: Don't look at that. Don't add it up. No. That's a bad idea.
Ivan: Oh, God. It was obscene. And I'm just like, oh, God, Jesus Christ.
Ivan: I'm not buying anything else.
Sam: I thought you were going to say that given all that, you were inspired to immediately
Sam: go into the Apple store and buy an Apple Vision.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.
Sam: No, I'm not buying it. You need that.
Ivan: I'm like, no, I'm like, shit.
Sam: Vision Pro.
Ivan: And praise my son, okay, to be the frugal one who I offered,
Ivan: hey, you want a new phone? And he was like, no.
Sam: And he said, no. I'm good.
Ivan: I like this phone I'm like okay good so there you go.
Sam: Yeah no anyway fun stuff right ready for my movies movies.
Ivan: Let's go to the movies.
Sam: Let's go to the movies okay number one at the movies first of all I will say
Sam: like our listener Pete encouraged us all to see Superman in the theaters I.
Ivan: Couldn't see fucking Superman.
Sam: My son and.
Ivan: My wife went.
Sam: Without...
Ivan: Well, yes!
Sam: I was in bed.
Ivan: And I was out.
Sam: And they were like.
Ivan: Oh, we'll go to the movie.
Sam: And I had told Pete said he would come on the show to talk about Superman with
Sam: us, and I said I would talk out of order about Superman if Yvonne saw it,
Sam: but then Yvonne hasn't seen it. So, you know, we will wait.
Ivan: Here's what I'm going to suggest. I think that you guys need to record something
Ivan: separately without me on Superman. I do want to see it.
Sam: Maybe I'll talk to Pete about that.
Ivan: Yeah, I definitely want to see it, but I'm not sure when I'm going to be able
Ivan: to get to it right now, you know, in the next few weeks.
Sam: Yeah, yeah.
Ivan: But I definitely am planning to see it. Okay. I've got to figure it out.
Sam: Okay, we got it. Like, you know, but.
Ivan: I have an assignment there to try to.
Sam: You have an assignment. And see, it'll probably be in the theaters a while. It's doing really well.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, exactly. So, I got to make it to the theater.
Ivan: I got to go. I got to fulfill my assignment.
Ivan: I may have to go, like, one of
Ivan: these days. Like I'll go like early in the afternoon and just go watch it.
Sam: I won't say anything about the new Superman movie other than thumbs up.
Sam: Definite thumbs up. Okay.
Ivan: There you go.
Sam: But the movies I'm actually talking about today are still ones I, we're in last October.
Sam: This one, this first one I watched October 16th, 2024, Moonrise Kingdom from 2012.
Sam: Have you heard of it, Yvonne?
Ivan: The name does not ring a bell.
Sam: So I will start off by saying this is a Wes Anderson film.
Sam: And I've reviewed other Wes Anderson films on the show before.
Sam: And I don't believe any of them have done better than A Thumbs Sideways.
Sam: And some of them have probably even been A Thumbs Down.
Ivan: I don't even know who the fuck Wes Anderson is.
Sam: So he's a director. But the thing is, his films have a very distinct style to
Sam: them. And they're very stylized.
Sam: Okay? Okay.
Sam: And all of the other ones, I'm looking at his filmography and seeing which ones I've watched.
Sam: American filmmaker. I think I've watched the Royal Tenenbaums.
Ivan: I've heard of that one.
Sam: I think I've watched the Grand Budapest Hotel.
Ivan: Okay, I have watched the Grand Budapest Hotel.
Sam: Okay. Okay. And there are a couple others here that I think I've seen.
Ivan: Oh, Rushmore. Okay.
Sam: I have never seen Rushmore. Really? I think, yeah, never. even though people
Sam: tell me I look like the main character or I used to when I was younger or something like that.
Sam: I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard...
Ivan: I believe I saw a picture of him at their rate.
Sam: Okay. But yeah, and I think I've seen parts of Fantastic Mr.
Sam: Fox and Isle of Dogs, but I don't think I've seen the whole movie.
Sam: It's sort of been like somebody else has been watching it and I've walked through the room.
Sam: But anyway, I haven't... My general take is I don't like his style.
Sam: I don't like his movies. He's kind of crappy.
Sam: So, so...
Ivan: He's kind of crappy. He's had five... He's won five Academy Awards.
Sam: I know, like, people love these things, but I don't.
Ivan: Five BAFTAs.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Two Golden Globes. He's had 16 Academy Award nominations, 20 BAFTA nominations, and 11 Golden Globes.
Ivan: Okay. Tell me he's crap. Let me just put it in a different...
Ivan: I would say, not your style.
Sam: Not for me.
Ivan: Not for you.
Sam: But...
Sam: I was surprised because I really enjoyed Moonrise Kingdom.
Ivan: Oh!
Sam: Like, I hadn't liked any of the other of his movies I'd seen,
Sam: but I had fun with this movie. I thought it was cool.
Sam: It was sweet. It was sort of touching.
Sam: It was also stylized, but in a slightly less annoying way, at least I thought so.
Sam: I'll give you the first couple paragraphs of the plot, and I won't go beyond that for spoilers.
Sam: On the New England island of New Penzance, 12-year-old orphan Sam Shakuski attends
Sam: Camp Ivanhoe, a khaki scout summer camp led by Scoutmaster Randy Ward.
Sam: Susie Bishop, also 12, lives on the island with her parents Walt and Laura,
Sam: both lawyers, and her three younger brothers in a house called Summer's End.
Sam: Sam and Susie, both introverted, intelligent, and mature for their age,
Sam: meet in the summer of 1964 during a church performance of Noyuz Fluttle and become pen pals.
Sam: The relationship becomes romantic over the course of their correspondence,
Sam: and they make a secret plan to reunite and run away together.
Sam: In September 1965, they execute their plan.
Sam: Sam escapes from Camp Ivanhoe while Susie runs away from summer's end.
Sam: The pair rendezvous, hike, camp, and fish in the wilderness with the goal of
Sam: reaching a specific location.
Sam: So maybe I like it just because the main character's name is Sam and he's a geeky 12 year old.
Sam: I don't know. Maybe that's why I like it. And hey, that's not a bad reason.
Sam: And he ended up like, you know, having this relationship with a geeky 12 year old girl.
Sam: And maybe I was just like, oh, that would have been cool if it had happened
Sam: to me. It didn't. But, you know, whatever.
Sam: But no, you know, I just I enjoyed it.
Sam: Like I said, it was quirky, but in a way that was less annoying to me than some of these others.
Sam: and I just, it's sort of sweet and pulled at the emotional heartstrings at the
Sam: right moments and I just liked it, you know?
Sam: So just cast-wise, it had Bruce Willis in it, Bill Murray, Edward Norton,
Sam: Francis McDormand, Tilda Swinton, Jason Schwartzman, who I believe is the guy from Rushmore,
Sam: Bob Balaban so I don't know who Bob is I recognize most of those other names
Sam: but and I guess the kids were Jared Gilman and Kara Hayward no idea if you know
Sam: what else they've been in I could look it up but I'm not going to,
Sam: anyway thumbs up and that's probably all I have to say about Moonrise Kingdom I enjoyed it alright.
Ivan: So that's movie number one.
Sam: Movie number two is from the Star Wars universe It is one of the ones that I
Sam: believe is officially no longer canon from 1985,
Sam: made for television,
Sam: the second of the two Ewok movies.
Sam: This is Ewoks, the battle for Endor.
Ivan: Oh, this doesn't sound good.
Ivan: This sounds really bad. This gives me Christmas special vibes.
Sam: Yes. And so it is a direct sequel to the first Ewok movie.
Ivan: I mean, like, there shouldn't have been a first one in the first place.
Sam: So just to say a couple words about the first Ewok movie,
Sam: It had a family that were stranded when their Star Cruiser is wrecked,
Sam: and they have a few adventures.
Sam: And at the end, the family decides to stay with the Ewoks until they can repair
Sam: their Star Cruiser. And that was the first movie.
Sam: The second movie, let me read you the first paragraph of this one.
Sam: Nearly six months have passed since the events of the first film.
Sam: The Tawani family's star cruiser is almost completely fixed,
Sam: and Jeremut is putting the final touches on the craft.
Sam: While the family is preparing to leave the forest moon of Endor,
Sam: the Ewok village is attacked by a marauder group led by Terak and his witch-like sorceress, Sharal.
Sam: Many Ewoks are captured, while Jeremut, Katarina, and Mace are killed,
Sam: helping to defend the Ewok village.
Sam: Basically, the entire family from the first movie, except for one surviving child, is killed.
Ivan: It gets wiped out.
Sam: Nice! It gets wiped out and killed in the first few minutes.
Ivan: Ah, sounds really nice.
Sam: The Marauders steal a power cell from the Tawani Star Cruise are believing it
Sam: to have some sort of magic power over the stars.
Sam: and so this movie is
Sam: about the one surviving child from that family plus one ewok wicket the ewok
Sam: and their adventures to like get away from the marauders and eventually you
Sam: know do whatever and so i won't give spoilers but let's just say,
Sam: Your intuition is correct.
Sam: It, it, apparently, like, I, I was, I'm looking at the Wikipedia page and was surprised.
Sam: Positive. It, it, it did get, like, Emmy nominations.
Ivan: Okay, but for what?
Sam: Well, one of them was for special effects.
Ivan: Okay, yeah, all right.
Sam: Now, having said that, watching this 1985 movie from a 2025 perspective,
Sam: the special effects were very 1985 television movie special effects.
Ivan: Yeah, which are not good.
Sam: Not even Star Wars special effects.
Ivan: Right, which are not good.
Sam: Yeah, I mean, like, you know, this was after Return of the Jedi and all that.
Sam: You know, Return of the Jedi had good effects even back then.
Ivan: Sure, but that was a very expensive theatrical production versus a made-for-TV film.
Sam: So it got an Emmy for special effects, and it got two nominations for Outstanding
Sam: Children's Program and Outstanding Sound Mixing.
Ivan: So let me get this straight. The two nominations really are for the sound,
Ivan: for the special effects.
Sam: Sound, special effects, and Outstanding Children's Program.
Ivan: And somehow it entertained kids.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: Yeah, because you have great sound in the special effects, which that actually entertains kids.
Sam: I guess so. Right.
Ivan: Makes sense.
Sam: Anyway, it was dumb. It was really dumb.
Sam: The first Ewok special, I mean, we're not talking, you know, holiday special dumb.
Sam: Nothing can even approach that. Nothing in the universe can approach how dumb that was.
Sam: But they were both dumb. And your reaction of like, did this really need to
Sam: be made is, I think, the right thing.
Sam: Now, of course, this is like post-Return of the Jedi, you know,
Sam: Lucas cashing in some more, you know?
Sam: So I guess in that sense, it needed to be done.
Sam: You know, George wanted some more money, you know?
Ivan: George has.
Sam: Did I say Attack of the... I said post-Return of the Jedi, right?
Sam: I didn't screw up the movies.
Ivan: Right, post-Return of the Jedi.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: Here's one thing.
Sam: So wait, let me say, this is the last of the television slash movies from after
Sam: Return of the Jedi before The Phantom Menace. And I have now watched all of them.
Sam: Caravan of Courage and Ewok Adventure.
Sam: Also the droids cartoon series and the Ewoks cartoon series and now the second Ewok movie.
Sam: All four of these things are regrettable.
Ivan: So here's the thing, right? You said, you know, George Lucas,
Ivan: you know, needing to make a buck, right?
Ivan: And the one thing is, I heard George Lucas somehow, like, talk recently,
Ivan: say in the last decade, okay?
Sam: Since he sold.
Ivan: Since he sold, talking about, somehow about, it sounded like about the evil
Ivan: of money and blah, whatever, right?
Ivan: And I'm like, you know, every guy paid billions, okay, right, to sell this, right?
Ivan: And I see him doing that movie with just a fucking money grab.
Ivan: I'm like, look, don't give me that shit. Just don't give me that shit.
Ivan: Because, I mean, you over and over did money grabs, you know, just for money grabs.
Ivan: so don't go now and like tell me all you know you know the evil of the buddy
Ivan: or whatever would you know it's like i mean you know come on what were episodes
Ivan: one two and three hey i mean people were clamoring.
Sam: The where's the rest where the rest you said there would be nine movies where
Sam: the rest he he had to do it right yeah.
Ivan: He you know he didn't
Ivan: have to i i will say that at the end
Ivan: they turned out good okay i i say that overall it turned out well you know there's
Ivan: the i mean i think you know i i think if you poll people on average i think
Ivan: it turned out well well this is one of the it's not hated i mean this is you
Ivan: know they're well like here.
Sam: Well here's the thing on them like a lot of the people who saw the original
Sam: trilogy in the theaters as children.
Ivan: Right and.
Sam: Were not liking the prequel trilogy and gave it a lot of hate,
Sam: especially episode one.
Ivan: But I'm talking about overall.
Sam: No, no, I know. The overall audience. No, but what I'm saying is that those people who wanted,
Sam: who grew up with Star Wars and wanted new Star Wars for them as adults tended
Sam: to be disappointed with the prequels.
Sam: But, and I've heard interviews with like the cast members of the prequels about
Sam: this, where they talk about how they felt bad because of all the negative reaction
Sam: they got when the movies first came out.
Sam: But now, you know, 20 plus years later, they get people coming up to them,
Sam: telling them how important those movies were to them when they were kids.
Ivan: Were kids!
Sam: Because one of the things that George Lucas did that specifically annoyed people,
Sam: And this was a little bit less in episode three.
Sam: It got less and less as you went through one, two and three,
Sam: but he specifically set out and said, I am not making these movies for the people
Sam: who were kids for episodes.
Ivan: In 1970s.
Sam: In the late 1970s, early 1980s for the first three movies. I'm making this for
Sam: the people who are kids now.
Sam: And that disappointed a lot of people, but you know, it is what it is.
Ivan: Like I said, look, they had, you know, Overall, they had a good reception.
Ivan: I mean, think about this. Bitching about Star Wars Episode I,
Ivan: you know how much that fucking movie grossed what the box office was?
Ivan: $1.1 billion, Sam!
Sam: Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Ivan: It's not a failure by any stretch.
Sam: I remember lining up and seeing it with my whole family. I don't remember if
Sam: we did it on opening day, but we certainly did it within the first week and it being a major event.
Ivan: I will say this. You know, I do think it was a money grab, but at the same time,
Ivan: I watched all three, and I grew up watching those. I liked them.
Ivan: Other than, you know, look, we should have.
Sam: I mean, struck our face. Well, you grew up watching the prequel series? That's like 1999.
Ivan: No, no, no, but I grew up with the original.
Sam: Oh, and you still like the new ones.
Ivan: And I still like the new ones, is what I'm saying, okay? I, you know, I'm not that...
Ivan: I am not that, like, how do I say?
Ivan: I don't get, like, bogged down with, oh, my God, it wasn't like whatever.
Ivan: For example, like, I think you and I have talked about this,
Ivan: and I think we disagree on this.
Ivan: I liked the new Star Trek movies with, you know, J.J.
Ivan: Abrams. I liked them very much.
Sam: Yeah, my sense on those was I was not, I didn't hate them, but I was sufficiently
Sam: unimpressed that I never bothered watching the last one.
Ivan: I, I, I, you see, I'm different.
Ivan: I actually liked them very much. As a matter of fact, I will say that they were
Ivan: much better than the last few of the, you know, the next generation motion picture ones.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Much better. Okay.
Sam: I will eventually get to all of these two. I'm working my way through the,
Sam: as, as you see, i'm working my way slowly through the star wars i'm also slowly
Sam: working my way through the star truck and i will you know eventually.
Ivan: As much as i love the the next generation
Ivan: cast the movies were man they weren't great you know they were okay anyway but
Ivan: and i and i and i'm like what that i found and and i and look they didn't do
Ivan: well in the box office either the last one they there was a large hiatus,
Ivan: you know, getting to the J.J.
Ivan: Abrams ones because the last one of that group did poorly. Right.
Sam: So anyway, I'm going to say thumbs down for Ewoks, the battle event for Endor.
Sam: Right. The only reason to watch this is if you are being a completist and trying
Sam: to watch all Star Wars ever made. That is the only reason.
Ivan: Otherwise, let's just say, fuck the Ewoks, and that's it.
Sam: Yes. All right, good. And so let's, let's take a break and then we can start
Sam: talking about news, this stuff going on.
Sam: Like now I will say I, this came up in the random rotation last time,
Sam: but I saved it for this week, Yvonne, because this is a new break.
Sam: It is actually something that was recorded years ago at this time.
Sam: My son had me do this and he's actually got remixes of it, but this is just the raw audio.
Sam: And it's very, very short. It is the shortest break we have.
Sam: It's like less than 30 seconds, but I saved it so that we could get your reaction.
Ivan: All right, break it.
Sam: Okay. Okay.
Ivan: You can tell your son that I'm alive.
Break: I want to be.
Sam: And that's it. Did you enjoy that, Yvonne?
Sam: For those of you who can't see him, he's cracking.
Ivan: All I'm going to say that is post-production, you got to turn down the volume
Ivan: a little bit on that for people.
Sam: Oh, it'll, everything gets leveled. So don't worry. Did I blow out your ears?
Sam: I apologize if I blew out.
Ivan: It was loud.
Ivan: especially the the tick talking you know
Ivan: talk yes okay i
Ivan: want to be under the tree well yes you want to
Ivan: be under the tree all right so what the fuck are we going to talk about first
Ivan: okay well uh you know what yes i'm gonna give a news update on something that
Ivan: isn't on the list which i forgot to put in oh okay yes i'm gonna write it down
Ivan: right now just so okay keep track Okay.
Ivan: Well, last Friday, as I was lying down sick,
Ivan: the India Air Investigations Bureau released their preliminary findings on the
Ivan: crash of the 787 in India. Okay.
Ivan: And one thing is that leading up to that, a number of people had been very concerned
Ivan: whether they were going to even release the report publicly.
Ivan: The reason is that the day before,
Ivan: a very reputable source had indicated that there was evidence gathered that
Ivan: showed that the reason why the plane crashed is because somebody flipped off
Ivan: the fuel right after takeoff.
Ivan: There's two fuel switches and they got shut off.
Sam: Right. And from all sorts of videos and stuff I've seen, it is very,
Sam: it is hard to move these switches.
Sam: It is designed so it can't be done accidentally.
Ivan: Correct. The switches are made so you just can't bump them and you turn them off.
Ivan: You actually have to literally physically pull on the switch to lift it and
Ivan: then move it and then put it back down.
Ivan: So you have to exert an outward force to pull it out of the thing,
Ivan: okay, in order for it to unlock. Right.
Ivan: India has had a history of covering up accidents and the causes, okay?
Ivan: Especially when it comes to pilot error or something like this. Or a suicide, okay?
Ivan: A long time ago, an Air India jet was intentionally crashed by the cockpit crew, okay?
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Over the Atlantic. And the Indian government decided to dispute that finding.
Ivan: They didn't, they, even though the evidence was very clear that the,
Ivan: that, that the plane was intentionally crashed, they, they disputed that.
Ivan: And they said, they, they actually sent out a different finding.
Ivan: This was, this is a crash that happened 1985.
Ivan: Okay.
Ivan: There's an Air India 747, okay?
Ivan: No, no, no, no. I got the wrong one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Sam: You should be ashamed.
Ivan: I'm sorry. Ah, no. Oh, God.
Ivan: Where, hang on, hang on. Oh, God.
Ivan: I had it here and I let it, well, I don't have it here, but right now.
Ivan: But it was, it happened a long time ago.
Ivan: And they've disputed the, they disputed the findings, okay? It's happened like before.
Ivan: You know, you cover it up. You don't want to show that the pilots are, or that they're pilots.
Ivan: They'd rather blame the foreign aircraft for a crash. So we're concerned whether
Ivan: that was going to be released.
Ivan: By the way, the preliminary report that they also released was actually very thin.
Ivan: I mean, they didn't actually even say it because they did say in the report,
Ivan: they did confirm that it was a fuel switches that got turned off.
Ivan: OK, right. But they didn't say who said it.
Ivan: And by the way, the way that the microphones and everything is in there in 30
Ivan: days, you could figure out which who said it.
Ivan: OK, based on the location of the microphones, it did come out later that it
Ivan: was the it was it was the the person that asked, hey, did you turn off the fuel?
Ivan: Was the co-pilot, OK, who had the least amount of experience,
Ivan: but he was the pilot in command. He was the one that was flying.
Ivan: The captain was the one was the one that was monitoring at the time.
Ivan: And so he asked them, hey, did you shut off the fuel? And he's like, no.
Ivan: And then a few seconds later, they restarted the fuel. But at that critical
Ivan: moment in flight, there's just no way to survive that.
Ivan: You can't just, you know, when you, when you, when you do that intentionally.
Ivan: So somebody intentionally crashed this plane for what reason, who knows?
Ivan: They haven't given any further details on the, on the crew on board or anything,
Ivan: but, but, you know, but yeah, I mean, this was, this was an intentional crash, unfortunately.
Ivan: There's no doubt about that at this point.
Sam: Yeah. And I mean, you mentioned sort of the critical part of the flight,
Sam: but bottom line, if the person in control of the plane wants to crash it or
Sam: kill it, it's hard to stop that.
Sam: Now, you know, you do potentially have two people up there in certain other parts of the flight.
Sam: Maybe you could subdue the guy trying to do something bad. But bottom line,
Sam: if the person in control wants something bad to happen, they can make something bad happen.
Ivan: Yes, absolutely. And the thing is, like I said, in a critical part of flight,
Ivan: which is the problem, OK,
Ivan: you know, there was there was a recent incident by a Horizon Airlines crew member
Ivan: that was that was there were a pilot, but they were off duty.
Ivan: That was in the jump seat in in a commuter plane somewhere in your area.
Sam: Yeah, I remember that.
Ivan: And this guy apparently had gotten high on psychedelics and other things.
Ivan: He had had something that happened to him.
Ivan: And in the middle of flight, he tried to shut down the engines.
Ivan: In the middle of flight. Now, the reality is that where they were in flight,
Ivan: it was something that was recoverable. Okay?
Ivan: The other two crew members were there. He was subdued. They took care of him.
Ivan: And they were able to recover from the incident.
Ivan: But, you know, a cruise, yeah, it's something that you could do something about.
Ivan: But unfortunately, you got time to do something.
Ivan: OK, but I mean, damn it. You know, when you are at that critical moment on takeoff,
Ivan: I mean, you cut off the fuel. There's just not enough.
Ivan: There's just not enough time to do anything. Just not enough time. Not enough time.
Ivan: So, by the way, I'm confusing an Egypt air crash with an Air India crash.
Sam: OK.
Ivan: All right.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: That was one that was a suicide over the Atlantic.
Ivan: So my apologies that I confused it. But in the past, there had been a reputation
Ivan: by Air India of covering up causes for pilot mistakes. Okay.
Ivan: So there was some talk about that. And so there was some concern whether they
Ivan: actually would be as open about what happened. And so, but they...
Ivan: But they, look, they issued a report, you know, and we got the information.
Ivan: And so, you know, thankfully, we know what happened.
Ivan: I guess, listen, I'll tell you, the place where everybody sighed a big relief was at Boeing.
Sam: Because it wasn't a mechanical failure.
Ivan: Yeah, because with all the bad news they've had, the last thing they needed
Ivan: is a fucking 787 having some kind of serious issue.
Ivan: right now but but no but thankfully they they probably they were like oh god
Ivan: they they they sighed relief and they said they were like oh gosh it's not it's
Ivan: it's not our fault thank god,
Ivan: you know but but this is a terrible crash i mean it's just shit i mean there's
Ivan: just yeah i'm a shot and nobody had i mean the the guy that survived it's still
Ivan: the most stunning thing It's one guy. He just walked out.
Sam: For a little while, people were being like, that has to be a fraud,
Sam: right? He wasn't really. But no, he did. He walked away.
Ivan: He walked away. Crazy. This one guy just walked away.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: So anyway, I just want to give the update that we at least know what happened. We don't know why.
Ivan: But look, I mean, we had, you know, the one of the aircraft crashes has also
Ivan: been suspected to a pilot like
Ivan: intentionally crashing a plane is that a Malaysia 777 that disappeared.
Sam: Right. And still hasn't been found decades later.
Ivan: Yeah. I mean, we found pieces of it.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: That's it.
Ivan: But it became pretty clear through the investigation that this was intentionally
Ivan: done by the captain, if I remember correctly, on that flight.
Ivan: So, you know, there have been safeguards and things.
Ivan: As a matter of fact, there was a recent incident that happened where a Lufthansa
Ivan: flight, one of the crew members went to the bathroom.
Sam: And then they locked him out.
Ivan: Right? Well, they didn't lock him out. The other pilot suffered some,
Ivan: some, uh, uh, he, he had a, he had a seizure.
Ivan: This was the last month or so.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: This is a different one than I was thinking.
Ivan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're thinking about German wings. No, this is like in the
Ivan: last month because there was this crash.
Ivan: It was a German wings, which is a Lufthansa subsidiary where,
Ivan: where, where, where, where the co-pilot went and like intentionally slammed
Ivan: the plane on the ground. Okay.
Ivan: You know, well, well, the guy was on a restroom break. Okay.
Ivan: And there was a debate in Europe about what the correct procedure should be
Ivan: when, you know, to not leave just one person in the cockpit.
Ivan: There's been a lot of arguments. They wound up basically defaulting. Now it's fine.
Ivan: We, you know, they went back to just having one person in the cockpit at this point.
Ivan: But they had debated whether at least like a flight attendant or somebody should
Ivan: be in there with a person. Just so you don't leave them alone. Okay.
Ivan: So this guy went to the bathroom. The other guy had a seizure.
Ivan: And all of a sudden he was like, the plane was actually, while he was having
Ivan: the seizure, he started involuntarily pressing on the rudder pedal.
Ivan: It wasn't disabling the autopilot, but the plane was steering,
Ivan: was going off course. Okay?
Ivan: The other guy's trying to get in, trying to get in. And apparently,
Ivan: if the person now is, say, incapacitated, okay, the lockout,
Ivan: because there is a lockout that the crew could reject that person.
Ivan: But if it's by incapacitation, after they put in the code, if that person doesn't
Ivan: reject it, the door will open.
Sam: Okay?
Ivan: Because they'll assume, hey, if he's not replying, it's because he's incapacitated.
Ivan: The door will pop open. But before that, apparently, the guy started recovering
Ivan: from whatever seizure he had enough that he could open the door.
Ivan: And so the other crew member was able to come in and, like, land the plane,
Ivan: do an emergency landing and so forth.
Ivan: But it went back now that obviously the airlines are debating as to what the
Ivan: hell do we do in this instance and not leaving a single crew member alone.
Ivan: But even in the Air India case, it wasn't a matter. or they were both right
Ivan: there. One of them, for some fucking reason, decided to...
Ivan: crashed a plane right on takeoff.
Sam: So the answer to all these questions, Yvonne, is obviously full automation.
Sam: No humans in the cockpit at all.
Ivan: So we'll put XAI Grok at the wheel, and that will solve the problems.
Sam: Exactly.
Ivan: I'm sure that, you know, he'll be fine.
Sam: Hey, you know, it's an easier problem than self-driving in many ways.
Ivan: It is an easier problem. Listen, flying by itself is definitely easier.
Sam: You already have situations where an autopilot can do the entire flight from beginning to end.
Ivan: That is correct.
Sam: Under certain situations.
Ivan: That is correct. At the correct airports, the correct places. Yes, that is correct.
Ivan: I will say that, yes, actually having the aircraft on full automation.
Ivan: I mean, and right now, in large part, they are.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: I mean, once takeoff is complete, usually, I mean, the planes are basically
Ivan: set on autopilot, they have the waypoint set, and here you go, off on your way.
Sam: Okay, so that wasn't like a full segment, so I'm going to ask you to pick another
Sam: topic before we take a break and do my stuff.
Sam: But I will mention, we do have a comment on the live stream from someone who
Sam: is marked as a number one fan.
Ivan: Oh boy.
Sam: It's my son.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: He says, screw GPT demands justice.
Ivan: Well, we'll send him to justice. Does that include the electric chair or something like that?
Sam: I said, of course, justice someday.
Ivan: Yes, we'll meet out justice, all right.
Sam: Screw GPT is, of course, his custom GPT that he wants to co-host one day instead of you.
Sam: He thinks it's, I guess, an improvement over the Yvonne GPT I did before.
Sam: My feeling on this is, like, we did that experiment once.
Sam: We can wait, like, at least a full year for the technology to advance further
Sam: before trying that again.
Ivan: That would be nice. Yeah. Okay. All right.
Sam: All right. Okay. So, next time.
Ivan: Okay. So, second thing. Well, because we did talk about that this week hasn't
Ivan: been as tariff heavy as last week.
Ivan: Okay. So, we'll talk about a little bit about, okay, so we've been getting all
Ivan: these tariff letters, Sam.
Sam: Okay. So, then, just to put it out there, since you're doing tariffs now,
Sam: when we get to my segment, we're going to talk about all the Epstein crap again
Sam: and maybe some of Donald Trump health stuff.
Ivan: Epstein?
Sam: I don't know. Some guy.
Ivan: Oh, okay. All right. Sam, I think we got all these tariffs. It's all done, right?
Sam: Well, like I was saying in the first segment, like you're complaining about
Sam: like it being hard to make sales.
Ivan: Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. All I got to do is send a letter.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: Yeah. I don't know. The last week, it's just Brazil.
Ivan: Brazil got 50% tariffs. Even though the U.S. has a trade surplus with Brazil.
Sam: But there's obviously an emergency situation there that has to be dealt with.
Ivan: Yes, because they're prosecuting the president to try to basically topple the government.
Ivan: Look, I am not a fan of the current president of Brazil either.
Ivan: The current president of Brazil was actually convicted and thrown in jail for bribery.
Ivan: There's recordings where he accepted the fucking bribes. Okay?
Sam: Is this a problem, Yvonne? You seem upset.
Ivan: According to Trump, no. You know, here's the thing.
Ivan: Considering that, you know, he is also a fellow bribe, you know,
Ivan: accepting man. I figured Trump should like him.
Ivan: He should like Lula. I mean, what the hell?
Sam: He likes the other one better.
Ivan: You know, yeah. So Bolsonaro. So, yeah, he decided that he's imposing 50% tariffs
Ivan: on Brazil. I don't know, man.
Ivan: I mean, you know, he's sending tariffs to, I mean, and, you know,
Ivan: with these letters that are, you know, we complained about how ChatGPT calculated
Ivan: the tariffs, right? Because this is dumb.
Ivan: I think ChatGPT would have written better letters.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I mean, because these letters were written by somebody who basically stopped
Ivan: using crayons a short time ago, as far as I can tell.
Ivan: I mean, they're, they're, they're just, it, there's no, he talks about negotiations.
Ivan: There's no negotiations. There's just ultimatums, you know, Canada 30, 20.
Ivan: And, and, and everything is the only thing that I could see about these announcements.
Ivan: It's all, it's all predicated on him
Ivan: basically just grabbing attention every
Ivan: day and trying to just steer attention away from epstein
Ivan: away from the floods away from whatever unpopular thing that may be going on
Ivan: at the moment well just steer attention to him because well listen he just likes
Ivan: chaos and all of them are just about yeah yeah yeah i.
Sam: Want to say a couple things on that one while i agree that he's constantly just
Sam: trying to drive the attention cycle and one of the things that's been different
Sam: over the last couple of weeks is he's kind of failed.
Sam: He's trying to move the attention away from Epstein and it hasn't been working.
Sam: Usually this kind of stuff works for him, but at the same time,
Sam: I think all of the people who sort of are like, that's a distraction.
Sam: That's a distraction. He's just trying to keep you from thinking about like the big,
Sam: beautiful bill or whatever i think that's misguided too
Sam: because it's they're all
Sam: of these things are bad you know so so it's not like oh ignore this one that's
Sam: a distraction and pay attention to this one because it's the only one that matters
Sam: you have to figure out how to multitask you have to figure out how to multitask
Sam: and actually care about all the bad things i think.
Ivan: I think more about the things that that get him
Ivan: criticized in some way okay you know but but actually the thing is like somebody
Ivan: said he he loves the chaos he wants chaos he thinks this is good and.
Sam: Well you know back to tariff specifically i mean he thinks the chaos is good
Sam: because this is his leverage this is how he influences things.
Ivan: He's driving the conversation. Wait, wait, wait. But there is no...
Ivan: There is, okay.
Sam: I mean, I'm not saying he's right.
Ivan: I'm saying this is what he thinks. No, no, no. What I'm saying is,
Ivan: no, no, no. What I'm saying is that, no, because he thinks he's winning. What is he winning?
Ivan: Because that's the whole thing, right? Because what is his overarching,
Ivan: does he have an overarching goal, Sam? What is it?
Sam: Only on a day-to-day basis. He has no strategic plan.
Ivan: Exactly.
Sam: That's my point.
Ivan: He has a goal for the day.
Sam: And people around him have explicitly said, this is how he thinks about things
Sam: he wakes up in the morning and says what is today's episode of the trump show going to look like yeah.
Ivan: Basic exactly that's right and so
Ivan: the thing is that during this the economy you know the american economy and
Ivan: the global economy is riding hostage to his reality show driven presidency that's
Ivan: what we got um you know he's railing that i mean And today,
Ivan: you know, the whole problem is, he keeps railing about Powell and the Fed and rates.
Ivan: Problem is that with all these tariffs, there is no way to lower rates.
Ivan: And aside from that.
Sam: Wait, wait, wait, Ivan. There is no way to lower rates without negative consequences. That's different.
Ivan: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can lower short-term rates.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: But the thing is that the rates that he's focused on, that they try to talk
Ivan: about, the mortgage rate and whatnot and whatever,
Ivan: even if the Fed drops the funds rate to zero, the damn 10-year,
Ivan: which drives those rates, will not budge.
Ivan: It hasn't budged already. Listen.
Ivan: The Fed cut rates sometime last year.
Ivan: The 10-year rate didn't budge. Not one bit.
Ivan: Not one bit. And the problem is, because he wakes up every day into reality
Ivan: presidency, which involves all these tariffs, okay?
Ivan: The tariffs are pissing off the two biggest buyers of the fucking 10-year,
Ivan: which is Japan and China.
Ivan: And if those guys aren't buying damn 10-year notes, the damn interest rate isn't
Ivan: going to go down. It's as simple.
Ivan: Bond rates work in a very simple way. Bond prices go up.
Ivan: Rates go down. Simple as that. It's not the coupon.
Ivan: You can issue a bond. Hey, $100 bond.
Ivan: 10-year, 6%, okay?
Ivan: But if the market doesn't think that 6%, or no, I'll change it, 2%, okay?
Ivan: But hey, if the market doesn't think that 2% is right, what they will do is
Ivan: they will go to the market and say, well, we're not buying that bond for $100.
Ivan: We're going to buy it for what makes us earn 5%. So the price of the bond will go down to that number.
Ivan: So it yields the 6%. And that's what's happening in the market.
Ivan: It's that simple.
Ivan: There is no way. The Fed can't control that. The Fed can only control short-term rates.
Ivan: That's it. They can drive those.
Ivan: And, you know, and we've had periods of time.
Sam: Look, look, you're thinking too small. he can issue an executive order tomorrow,
Sam: just ordering banks to use whatever mortgage rate he wants them to.
Ivan: Uh-huh. Yeah, that won't cause any market problems. Sure.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: Yeah, that was, you know, you know what? Okay. Okay. All right.
Ivan: Let's take your scenario. Banks.
Sam: I'm sure there would be immediate legal challenges, of course, blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: Well, aside from that.
Sam: Because he doesn't actually have the authority to do that with an executive order.
Ivan: Okay. But let's say.
Sam: He could try anyway.
Ivan: Let's say he tries to force the banks to do that, right? Here's the problem with that, right?
Ivan: Once again, those assets, a bank usually gets issues alone.
Ivan: They turn around and they sell it. Okay. All right.
Ivan: What happens in the market is that they wind up saying, well,
Ivan: you see, we don't think that's worth that. Okay.
Ivan: We're not willing to pay for a 2% yield.
Ivan: Nobody wants a 2% year. We want four. So they will have to start selling the
Ivan: fucking mortgages at a loss.
Sam: The Fed just issues mortgages directly. Cut out the banks entirely.
Ivan: Oh. Oh, I see. Well, that's simple then.
Sam: At 0% interest.
Ivan: I'm sure that's not going to cause any problems with inflation,
Ivan: with the rest of our bonds, with the banking system.
Sam: All I'm saying is you seem constrained by the way things have been done in the past.
Ivan: I know these damn details. Details. Yes, I know.
Ivan: I'm so, you know, I'm so, you know, the details just get me. Yeah, I know.
Ivan: I am so small minded. I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not a stable genius.
Sam: So to to pivoting back to tariffs for a second we also had some inflation numbers
Sam: and people keep saying you know it's coming the effects of the.
Ivan: Tariffs by the way the underlying data shows that they are coming okay all right
Ivan: the headline number didn't say that well once you dug through the data you were
Ivan: like fuck this is looking like a volcano ready to explode,
Ivan: That's what the underlying data showed.
Sam: I saw somewhere else, though, the economist predictions of percent chance of
Sam: recession have dropped over a couple months ago.
Sam: Like they peaked a couple months ago, like in May or something,
Sam: and are down a little bit from that.
Sam: Still not zero, but not as high as they were.
Ivan: Well, remember, they peaked when, I think, you know, at the tariff shock,
Ivan: one, they've gone down somewhat. But but but but they're still above where they were.
Sam: Say, now everybody's believes taco and that none of these things will end up actually happening.
Ivan: That's right. That's right. Everybody believes that he will eventually chicken out.
Ivan: I mean, but but the thing is, Sam, we have tariffs already in place.
Ivan: Yes, there there is there are all these effects going through the economy right now of this.
Ivan: And so it's just, it just takes time.
Ivan: But the data is starting to show that this is going to be shitty.
Sam: Is that a technical term?
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: That's all that highfalutin education.
Sam: But how high are we talking like inflation-wise? Are we talking double digits?
Ivan: They basically said that we are going to, not double digits,
Ivan: that we will go back to the same inflation we had in 2021, 2022.
Ivan: Just 6% to 8%. By the way.
Sam: Should we really be worried unless we're hitting 1970s levels?
Ivan: Here's the problem.
Ivan: In 1970s, we had all these exogenous shocks and all these things were happening, right?
Ivan: Difficult to manage. All these shocks have been self-inflicted.
Ivan: The second thing is, are we going to stop shooting ourselves in the foot?
Ivan: You see, here's the thing. If you told me right now, hey, all tariffs are done,
Ivan: it's over, whatever, then it could be like transitory as it was,
Ivan: where it peaked and then it came down.
Ivan: People didn't like the transitory term. I think the people didn't like the transitory
Ivan: term were idiots because they, for some reason, thought transitory was three months.
Sam: Okay well yeah i mean and.
Ivan: I'm like you know muhammad al-aryan i'm talking about you you're an idiot okay all right.
Sam: Sorry it didn't mean like.
Ivan: Six months okay.
Sam: Well and also there was.
Ivan: That though but also there was a big war shock in the middle okay because.
Sam: Yeah yeah no but the invasion i still i still fault the people who use that
Sam: word because the common meaning of that word if you don't know what everything
Sam: surrounding it is short enough that you don't have to worry about it you'll
Sam: it'll be over before you think twice to.
Ivan: Me you see transitory meant that it wasn't a systemic uh.
Sam: Yeah but that's not how like normal people well okay but but the reality is
Sam: and maybe if you're i know if you're somebody like that who's speaking not just
Sam: i mean i know in his opinion he was speaking to specialists,
Sam: but the reality was it was going out to the world.
Sam: And you have to be careful about your language and use terms not in the specialist
Sam: way, but in the general way that people will understand.
Ivan: But ears, you know, fuck.
Ivan: Well, everybody's so short-term. Look, the reality is transitory versus systemic, okay?
Ivan: You know, systemic, Argentina that's experienced inflation 25% every year for the last 25 years.
Ivan: That's systemic, okay?
Ivan: That's systemic. And that was the whole point. What we had, is it like that?
Ivan: Are we going to continue with 68% inflation, you know, like right now?
Ivan: No, because we did a lot of changes. It's going to come back down.
Ivan: so it's going to be transitory.
Ivan: It's not systemic. Simple as that.
Ivan: I'm like, but, but I guess, but like everybody, everybody wants a fucking exact
Ivan: calendar of like, when the fuck, oh, but when is the price exactly going to go up?
Ivan: Is it going to be July 30th or is it going to be August 15th?
Sam: Well, we've talked about this before. There's two, there's two things.
Sam: One, I think he should have, like,
Sam: if the notion was, it wasn't going to be just a couple months,
Sam: then yeah yeah i know
Sam: you can't give an exact date but you could probably say
Sam: something like it's going to be high for a year or two
Sam: and people would have reacted to that differently or you
Sam: know but even then though you still have the more fundamental problem that in
Sam: terms of the general public they don't really understand inflation as the rate
Sam: of change they want to know when do prices go back down well but that but and that was the.
Ivan: Problem that That was more of a problem than anything else. The reality is it
Ivan: wasn't even whether it was transitory or not.
Ivan: The reality is that people went and said, well, when are prices going to go back down?
Ivan: And people didn't understand, no, they're not coming back down.
Ivan: The rate of increase is going down, but the price isn't going down.
Ivan: We're not having deflation, which would be bad.
Ivan: By the way, that's even more problematic.
Sam: Unfortunately. Okay, any other economic bombshells you want to drop or talk
Sam: about before we take another break?
Ivan: No, let's go.
Sam: Okay, we're going to take another break. This is another one I saved for you.
Ivan: Oh, God.
Sam: Because this one's an Apple Dream.
Ivan: Ah, okay.
Sam: This is Apple Dream 50. And when we return, we will talk about Epstein and Trump
Sam: and Trump's mental health, Trump's physical health.
Ivan: Didn't he say that we need to stop talking about this?
Sam: Oh, I'm sorry. In that case, yeah, let's just spend the next segment on Cuomo
Sam: running for mayor again.
Sam: We don't need to talk about it. Oh, Cuomo.
Ivan: Oh, yeah, Cuomo. Well, the battery jump starter guy.
Sam: Never mind Cuomo. Anyway, here is Apple Dream 50. We'll be back after this.
Ivan: Yeah, fuck Cuomo too, Jesus Christ.
Break: This is a bad one, so I'll be short.
Break: The main part of it is we were all living,
Break: meaning my current family and my daughter, my son, my wife, at the house that
Break: my family rented when I was like a preteen in Durham, North Carolina.
Break: And...
Break: Anyway, the long and short of it comes down to, I was going upstairs for something.
Break: I heard Amy yell at Alex something about watching Miley or something like that, watching Miley go out.
Break: Then a few minutes later, I was coming back down, and Amy was doing something
Break: like preparing to move, like she was moving her stuff to a moving truck or something.
Break: And the, anyway, somebody,
Break: mom yells from the other room or something, I'm starting to lose details,
Break: the important part is there, but anyway, it's discovered that the front door is wide open.
Break: And Amy thought someone else closed it.
Break: And anyway, Miley had gotten out. So people start looking for Miley.
Break: And I look out the window in the front of the house.
Break: And I see right by the door near where the truck was that we were packing Amy's stuff into.
Break: But it wasn't that. it was like the truck was there in my head but it wasn't
Break: actually there there was a curb and then there was a spot anyway there was clearly
Break: a flat thing there that used to be miley.
Break: And she had just been squashed like cartoon style squashed like you know when
Break: in a cartoon steamroller runs over somebody and they're made flat but there
Break: were still enough details that you could see it was Miley.
Break: Anyway, I was very, very upset.
Break: I yelled at Amy, you know, that,
Break: yeah the door shouldn't
Break: have been open and i'm like you killed miley and
Break: of course like it was an innocent mistake
Break: nobody meant to kill miley but she
Break: had obviously gotten run over and i was really upset
Break: and my amy and me and alex and mom were all running to where miley was then
Break: I woke up and I went straight out of bed and looked and found Miley and made
Break: sure she was okay Miley's fine,
Break: Miley's a great dog Miley's an old dog but Miley's a great dog and she's not flat love you Miley.
Sam: And that's that very cheery dream that time of course Miley has since passed
Sam: away of old age like you know but how long ago.
Ivan: Was how long ago was this recorded?
Sam: I don't know. I don't have proper dates on this. All right, never mind.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: I am years behind on the Apple Dreams, and probably three or four years ago
Sam: at this time, like this one, I don't know.
Sam: It's been a while. Anyway.
Ivan: Well, you know, reminds me of you blaming others for the dog's death.
Ivan: You know, my mom blamed me for one of our dogs dying.
Sam: Oh, wow.
Ivan: But she was also like you. She was distraught. She was just,
Ivan: we didn't know what caused the dog to die. He didn't get run over or something.
Ivan: The dog developed some kind of, he got sick and died.
Ivan: My mom started speculating that I had left the door to the room where the pool
Ivan: chemicals were and the dog got into them. But you know what?
Ivan: That was just her trying to grasp the straws as why the dog died. I really don't think.
Ivan: I never thought. I'm like, nah, man, come on.
Ivan: That room probably, I don't know how many times it's probably somebody left
Ivan: the door open back there. And that dog is not that stupid to go and like.
Ivan: There's nothing in there that is attractive to the dog.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: You know, I mean, there's just, you know. He's going to want to all of a sudden
Ivan: volunteer like snort chlorine? No.
Ivan: So, I don't know. But Bob was really upset. So, I'm like, what are you talking
Ivan: about? The doctor never said it was anything like that.
Ivan: I took it to the vet. You know? Anyway.
Ivan: All right. Epstein!
Sam: Yeah, let's start with that.
Ivan: So much happier.
Sam: I mean, I- It's a cold rapist. Yeah, I talked about this last week when you
Sam: weren't here. But obviously, things have continued to develop.
Sam: The bottom line is that, you know, look, my default position coming in here,
Sam: and I think a lot of people were at this spot when this, you know,
Sam: the latest round of Epstein stuff came up and the administration was like, oh, case closed.
Sam: it's over, was just that a bunch of these conservative MAGA yahoos who'd been
Sam: making a big deal out of Epstein because they thought that his files contained
Sam: all the damning information about all the liberals who were involved in the
Sam: pedophile ring, and this would get Bill Clinton,
Sam: and this would get Bill Gates, and all of these other people.
Sam: And obviously, it was something nefarious and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: He didn't kill himself. actually when they got into power and looked at all
Sam: the details, found out, okay,
Sam: There's not the actual evidence to back any of that up, which,
Sam: by the way, is not the same thing as saying it didn't happen.
Sam: Something may have happened, but there's not enough evidence to actually prove
Sam: it, that those are not mutually incompatible.
Sam: But they got in there and—wait, wait, let me finish my thought.
Sam: like they and so that this was
Sam: my original hypothesis is these guys got over their
Sam: skis they got into power they looked into it and they couldn't back up what
Sam: they'd been riling their base up for years and years and years but then then
Sam: donald trump started protesting and protesting and getting more and more upset
Sam: and there's nothing here there's nothing to see go away It looks the other way, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: And it's like, okay, there must be something dead. Otherwise,
Sam: why the hell are you doing this?
Ivan: Why are you getting so agitated?
Sam: Why are you getting so agitated? Because if it really was the first scenario,
Sam: then okay, just, you know, there are other ways to present this.
Sam: Now, the diehards who are really 100% in on this conspiracy theory will never
Sam: be convinced no matter what.
Sam: But you could come out and just clearly say, hey, we thought there was all this
Sam: stuff in there, but look, we've looked into it and we've looked at all the details and stuff.
Sam: The evidence of the things we thought there was evidence of just isn't there.
Sam: Now, they'd still hate you. They still wouldn't believe you,
Sam: but you'd have a clear story.
Ivan: Let's be clear about this. If there was this massive smoking gun against a whole
Ivan: bunch of Democrats, don't you think that they would have already been—the pages
Ivan: of every paper in the U.S.
Ivan: would have been plastered with all of this?
Sam: Well, this is one of the things that the base still to this day, who's upset about this,
Sam: the conservatives who are like, no, you've got to release the files are still
Sam: are now thinking that Donald Trump and Bondi and all these folks are covering
Sam: up for the Democrats still.
Sam: Like they're not they're not convinced that like Donald Trump had to do with any of this. No, no.
Sam: They're they're like, why is Donald Trump protecting Bill Clinton?
Sam: You know, that's where the thought process is. Why is he defending the vast
Sam: international pedophile conspiracy ring run by the liberals? Why is he flipped?
Ivan: Well, let's be clear about this. Okay. This is, you know, the number of people,
Ivan: when you're talking about the entire, take the electorate, just talking about
Ivan: the electorate, not the general pop.
Ivan: I what percentage of those are pedophile conspiracy, blah, blah, blah, say 25 percent.
Ivan: The conspiracy of the total electorate.
Sam: Including Democrats, including Democrats, I'd say even less than 25 at that point.
Sam: OK, so I would say maybe it's even only 25 percent of Trump voters.
Ivan: OK, so so that's that's where that's where this is. Right.
Ivan: OK, where it's, you know, you've got it's a.
Ivan: Small, but very loud and very, it's not small. It's a significant portion of
Ivan: his base that's very active and very loud.
Ivan: And they have been the guys that have been carrying the torch for him.
Ivan: OK, most of the time, that's the reality.
Ivan: And so now all of a sudden you've got these guys who expected something. Right.
Ivan: And the guy who was supposed to give it to them is now just no, we're not.
Ivan: We're not releasing this.
Sam: Well, and the thing is, the more he protests about it, the more it just like, you know, the.
Ivan: More guilty he looks.
Sam: The more guilty he looks and it's like i've seen
Sam: people post i forget if it was josh marshall or somebody else who was like you
Sam: know i thought this was just them getting all over their skis but the more donald
Sam: trump thinks about this more donald trump talks about this the more the only
Sam: natural conclusion is actually donald trump ran the pedophile ring and framed Epstein.
Sam: Because otherwise, why is he doing all this? And, you know, and there was this
Sam: big hype about this Wall Street Journal release as well, where Donald Trump
Sam: apparently contributed this cryptic little note for a 50th birthday book for Epstein.
Sam: And, you know, and Donald Trump is now sued them over publishing this.
Sam: He and his like team were apparently
Sam: exerting a huge amount of pressure on the wall street journal to
Sam: not publish this at all they did anyway and as far as i can tell like look this
Sam: this is just another okay trump and epstein were good friends trump and epstein
Sam: were both wink wink nod nod and obviously liked younger girls dude yeah yeah.
Ivan: Yeah like very much so huh.
Sam: But there's not there's not the thing wasn't a smoking gun it's nothing you
Sam: could use in court to prove anything it's.
Ivan: Not a smoking gun but come on saying i mean that note holy shit that note.
Sam: Well it's it's all cryptic crap though like yeah it's like oh we share secrets okay.
Ivan: Yeah what the fuck were the secrets that we've known about this guy the entire fucking time now.
Sam: Well yeah i realize that.
Ivan: He did with everybody.
Sam: But again the thing is like this is all like with all Well.
Ivan: There's all these videos of teenagers talking about stooping his daughter.
Ivan: He goes and repeatedly says it about Epstein, and then he puts it down on a note.
Sam: That's provable.
Ivan: I mean, well, listen, this is not maybe court evidence, but fuck, man.
Ivan: It's, you know, man.
Sam: This is all stuff that, with all the context, you could infer what he probably
Sam: meant. But you can't prove a damn thing.
Ivan: I can't prove it to convict, but I can prove it to show how morally bankrupt,
Ivan: Donald Trump, you know.
Sam: Well, we didn't know it.
Ivan: But just further evidence of how morally bankrupt this asshole was.
Sam: Yes, this is what I was saying. It's like, well, we all knew this already. But here's the thing.
Sam: We did not all know this already.
Sam: There are a couple of crucial differences here to point out.
Sam: Like, you and I and people who've been paying attention and have been into politics
Sam: and who have been paying attention to the right sources have known all of this crap since 2015,
Sam: at least, probably earlier, right?
Sam: But for people who are embedded in the right-wing ecosystem,
Sam: a lot of them have never heard this crap about Donald Trump.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: They've heard things about Epstein, but everything they've heard about Epstein
Sam: has been about liberals.
Ivan: And Sam, Sam, can we, listen, listen, but forget about this, okay?
Ivan: We are skipping over the most important thing, the video, Sam. The fucking video, Sam.
Ivan: The video that they released, that is very clearly doctored,
Ivan: which was supposed to be, Hey, look, we've released this video to show what
Ivan: happened at Epstein's cell.
Ivan: And, motherfucker, Sam, the video they shared is doctored.
Sam: And missing three minutes.
Ivan: Right?
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: Holy fucking hell!
Ivan: I mean, the one that should have been the clean sweep.
Ivan: No problem. them hey here is the raw
Ivan: footage here you go knock yourself out
Ivan: well here it is this is one of the they
Ivan: share a sam these guys shared a video missing three minutes do you remember
Ivan: what happened with the nixon tapes of the missing minutes yes yes yes yeah we're
Ivan: those missing minutes like you know bullshit dude what the fuck we.
Sam: To this day don't know for sure what was on those missing minutes.
Sam: It was an innocent mistake, Yvonne.
Ivan: It was an innocent mistake.
Sam: In Watergate 2.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: Now, look, here's the thing, though. With this group of clowns,
Sam: you can't eliminate that it was a dumb mistake.
Sam: You know? But look, the other thing I was going to mention.
Ivan: But holy hell, Sam!
Sam: I know, I know.
Ivan: You want to create a firestorm of more doubt, okay?
Ivan: Over something. and it's by fucking releasing,
Ivan: captured video of the Epstein cell.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Damn it.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: I mean, I have one that up until that moment was 100, I felt 100% convinced
Ivan: he committed suicide. I have no doubts. Yeah. But fuck, Sam.
Ivan: Now? I mean, they actually made me, who never even believed in that, doubt it.
Sam: I still think it's highly likely that he did commit suicide, but you're right.
Sam: None of this like does anything but add more doubt because of how everybody's acting around.
Ivan: Exactly.
Sam: Let me get back to my point though, like, cause you took me off in a different
Sam: direction in the middle.
Sam: One was that people in the conservative, you know, in the conservative ecosystem
Sam: never heard the connection between Trump and Epstein before.
Sam: They just heard bad things about Epstein, not that Trump was best friends with
Sam: him for 15 years and was on a bunch of these lists and went to the island and
Sam: was joking about the young girls and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: But also just on the history of what Epstein did himself,
Sam: another important thing to remind folks about is like the youngest voters in
Sam: 2024 were 10 years old back in 2015.
Sam: They weren't paying attention, you know, you know, and so like the,
Sam: we should not take for granted at all that.
Sam: Well, everybody knows all this stuff about Epstein.
Sam: Everything knows about how Trump was related to Epstein.
Sam: Everybody knows about like the Access Hollywood tape or any of the other Donald
Sam: Trump stuff because A, tons of people are locked in this conservative ecosystem
Sam: that doesn't give time to these issues and B,
Sam: a lot of voters,
Sam: were not paying attention,
Sam: seven, eight, nine, 10 years ago.
Ivan: Fuck, they were not paying attention now.
Sam: Some of them because they were too young. Some of them just because they weren't.
Sam: But like this is something I've heard a number of journalists talk about.
Sam: Like there's a, in terms of how they're covering this story,
Sam: like it's still being covered by like, here's the new stuff that was released this week.
Sam: There's not a lot of, Hey, everybody let's review.
Sam: Here's, here's all the stuff we already knew 10 years ago. And here's all the details of this.
Sam: But the reality is even the people who were paying attention 10 years ago,
Sam: a lot of them have forgotten, you know?
Sam: and so you gotta bring people back up to speed with the whole thing now and
Sam: in the end like I don't know like again like my my general thought process on all of this was.
Sam: Going back to, you know, that girl who was suing Donald Trump and,
Sam: you know, decided to back out of it like days before the 20,
Sam: 20, 16 election was of course, Donald Trump is probably guilty of all this shit.
Sam: Of course he is, but we can't prove it.
Sam: And, you know, it's the longer time goes on, the less chance we'll ever be able to prove it.
Sam: Now, if you believe women to begin with, I mean, my God, like there's like 27,
Sam: 28 women who've credibly accused Donald Trump of various kinds of sexual assault over the years.
Sam: And obviously people didn't care. But again, like a lot of people didn't know,
Sam: despite the fact that like it was out there in the zeitgeist.
Sam: And but this time, the difference is that Donald Trump's own people,
Sam: because they feel betrayed by this, are pushing for more information.
Sam: And Donald Trump is apparently scared of the more information. Right.
Sam: So maybe there is stuff above and beyond, like the conservative response to
Sam: the stuff in this, the single page of this book that Donald Trump apparently
Sam: wrote has been, oh, this is clearly fake.
Sam: This is not him. This is nothing. Blah, blah, blah.
Sam: But the way Donald Trump has been reacting, it can't just be about this single
Sam: page. There's got to be more.
Ivan: No, there's got to be more. There's got to be more. But hey,
Ivan: you know, listen, there are, as you said before today,
Ivan: on the Slack, we have apparently an extra 1,000 witnesses now that we can depose
Ivan: on, you know, on what the hell is on those documents.
Sam: So let's talk about the 1,000 witnesses, because this was new news in the last
Sam: 24 hours that's also important here.
Sam: Apparently, Pam Bondi, and you can be sure she didn't do this of her own volition,
Sam: like Donald Trump must have asked about this,
Sam: assigned the reports say a thousand
Sam: FBI agents to be pulling 24-hour shifts to go through 100,000 pages of Epstein-related
Sam: evidence to specifically look for and mark and call it.
Sam: out any possible reference to Donald Trump.
Sam: And there's no reporting on exactly how much was found,
Sam: but apparently someone was worried enough about it to initiate this very significant
Sam: effort to go through everything and try to find all the Trump references.
Ivan: You know how nutty this is. There are— And by the way.
Sam: We've known for years.
Ivan: There are a thousand—I don't know if it—listen, whether it's agents or employees, okay?
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: The FBI has 30-some-odd thousand employees only. Okay?
Ivan: So, to pull a thousand of them. I mean, pulling a... Sam, do you understand?
Ivan: To pull a thousand employees into a single task.
Ivan: What kind of, like, crazy, batshit, authoritarian bullshit this is.
Sam: Yes. And, like, 24-hour shifts and stuff.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: Which can't be the best way to do this either.
Ivan: No!
Sam: Like, people get tired, you know?
Ivan: This is like insane authoritarian bullshit. And I mean, this is,
Ivan: this is the only people to do this are insanely scared.
Sam: Well, and here's the thing. Like, I would not be surprised if the answer to
Sam: what these thousand people found was a lot of stuff that could be embarrassing.
Sam: But again, nothing that could be used in a court of law.
Ivan: What the fuck do we know? No, Sam, look. No, no, we don't know.
Ivan: Jeff didn't go to trial. Okay, he died.
Ivan: Gallain pleaded out. So that wasn't a trial either. Okay? So if anything in there.
Sam: Was— I keep coming back to if there really was, like, actionable evidence against
Sam: Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or any other famous people, they would have done something with it.
Ivan: There's a difference between actionable evidence— Oh.
Sam: Yes. This is the key difference.
Ivan: You know, just because it doesn't meet the threshold of a conviction doesn't
Ivan: mean it's really, really damning.
Sam: Oh, right, right. I mean, I agree with you, absolutely. There's lots of.
Ivan: Stuff that could be— Especially when one of the big problems that you've got
Ivan: with this case is that Epstein is dead.
Sam: Mm-hmm.
Ivan: OK, because all you've got is this and you don't have a witness to corroborate a lot of it.
Ivan: OK, which, by the way, goes back to why the hell all of a sudden,
Ivan: you know, we're asking about, well, why the hell is he dead? Right.
Ivan: And why would he be dead? Not because he wanted to.
Ivan: It's because a lot of that is worthless without him corroborating it.
Sam: Well, this is one of the things we don't know for sure, right?
Sam: There may be other witnesses, too. There may be documentation.
Sam: One of the things they apparently got was all kinds of video evidence.
Sam: And I speculated last week, the problem on some of these might be like,
Sam: yeah, there's a video, but you can't really tell for sure who it is in the video. Right.
Sam: Things like that, because it's like low-quality surveillance video or something.
Sam: but there's, and this is one of those key differences.
Sam: They have asked, apparently they've asked a judge just in the last 24 hours
Sam: to, to release the grand jury testimony.
Sam: Now the grand jury testimony is different than the whole thing of all the evidence
Sam: and they're going to redact it anyway.
Sam: And you can be sure they would not just redact the victim's names and identifying information.
Sam: But the proper way to do redaction on this stuff is to also redact the names
Sam: of people who, that are incriminated, but that there are no charges against
Sam: for the reasons we're talking about.
Sam: Like this is, you know, yeah, this is, this is really damning evidence,
Sam: but not enough that you could get a conviction.
Sam: So, so the right thing to do from, you know, a justice department and a judicial
Sam: point of view is you don't go, you know, Comey and Hillary Clinton side.
Sam: This is not, you don't release that information in that way.
Sam: So if you get stuff released, there's going to be a lot of, and person A did
Sam: this or person A saw this because you've got not only the victims who don't want to be,
Sam: you know, don't want to be identified, don't want to be dragged through the mud again.
Sam: you've got witnesses who apparently part
Sam: of the problems with these prosecutions all these years
Sam: was you had tons of witnesses who feared for their
Sam: physical safety if they said stuff and so you don't want you know you don't
Sam: want to dox those people either and then of course you've got potential perpetrators
Sam: that are you have information about but not enough to prove it and you're not
Sam: going to release those names either.
Sam: But those names are what everybody really wants.
Sam: They want those. They want to know, you know, this guy's incriminated.
Sam: Even if we can't prove it, it damn well looks bad for them.
Sam: You know, and that's what everybody's really after, whether it's Trump or any of the liberals.
Sam: And we're probably not going to get that. Although I have to say,
Sam: like, in a lot of the redacted documents that came out over the course of the
Sam: other investigations to Donald Trump, people were able to figure out who most
Sam: of the person A, person B, person C really were.
Sam: They were able to figure that out just by putting together clues.
Sam: So I don't know. But Donald sure seems scared.
Ivan: He seems petrified.
Sam: That's the bottom line on this. You know.
Ivan: I mean, you know. and donald doesn't seem well.
Sam: Okay let's pivot to that so first
Sam: of all donald before we before we get to physical
Sam: i want to say that like we've talked
Sam: a long time about donald trump's mental deterioration over
Sam: time but it does seem to be getting a lot
Sam: worse like he's less and less
Sam: coherent he's you know talking about
Sam: you know we were talking about powell the fed fed chair he
Sam: was like slamming the appointment
Sam: not remembering that it was him apparently you know
Sam: we've got all kinds of other things where he's clearly doesn't really know what's
Sam: going on and look that's been true for years and years but it seems to be getting
Sam: worse rapidly and you know people seem reluctant to like at least the the sort
Sam: of mainstream major media outlets,
Sam: aren't really talking about that.
Sam: I mean, they go off on Biden, and as far as I can tell, Trump is worse than Biden ever was.
Ivan: Way worse!
Sam: In terms of sort of mental health and age affecting his abilities.
Sam: And now let's talk physical.
Sam: So the latest thing is people have been noticing bruising, people have been
Sam: noticing swollen ankles,
Sam: and they released an official White House doctor report saying,
Sam: what was it, insufficient venous something. Yeah.
Sam: You know, and basically saying, look, 20% of people in their 70s end up getting
Sam: this. This is, you know, it happens.
Sam: And I have seen a lot of people speculating, okay, it's clearly not just that,
Sam: but, and so like specifically I've seen like on TikTok recently,
Sam: tons and tons of nurses that work in cardiac wards and stuff like that saying
Sam: like, look, there's more going on than that.
Sam: They may not want to say it right now, but you've got a lot of stuff going on
Sam: that looks like congestive heart failure.
Sam: And then, though, I have seen a bunch of doctors, including,
Sam: by the way, our very own Ed on our Mudgeons Corner Slack, saying given all the
Sam: information they have released on this,
Sam: it does look like something that they've done all the tests for the things that
Sam: could be serious causes of this.
Ivan: Venus insufficiency is what the letter said exactly.
Sam: Yes, yes. And, like, it very well, this is common, and this doesn't have a high
Sam: mortality rate, and it's manageable.
Sam: And so, like, people shouldn't get over their skis. And I've seen a lot of doctors also say that.
Sam: But I think part of the reason why people are jumping to other things is no
Sam: one freaking trusts the White House doctor to be actually giving the full story.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: You know, so look.
Ivan: The White House doctor doesn't matter who's been in power.
Ivan: OK, it has never been fully forthcoming about the health of any of our presidents.
Sam: OK, yes. Republican or Democrat.
Ivan: Republican or Democrat.
Sam: And we've got all kinds of historical examples of this going back 100 plus years.
Ivan: Yes, yes. So, you know, look, it's it's not, you know, it's part of the job.
Ivan: But given that, you know, even before he was president, unlike Joe or some other
Ivan: presidents that have provided a hell of a lot more detail into their health.
Ivan: OK, I mean, Trump, I mean, when he first ran for president, all we got was that letter from Dr.
Ivan: Bornstein, whatever his name is, talking about that he was the physical,
Ivan: the best physical specimen ever. And that's basically all we have really gotten about his health.
Ivan: We've never really gotten anything else.
Ivan: He probably, at least in recent times, has been the one from where we have gotten
Ivan: the least amount of any detailed information about his health.
Ivan: I mean, just starting from his weight, Sam, for God's sakes.
Ivan: You know, Eli, I mean, everything on the report, you look at it and you're like,
Ivan: man, this is just a fucking like just pack of lies straight out.
Sam: Because, of course, he's an incredibly muscular athlete.
Ivan: Yes, absolutely. I mean, it's so nuts.
Sam: And so, look, the speculation, the reason that the doctor had to put out a statement
Sam: was because people were openly speculating about his health due to his visual appearance.
Ivan: That, listen, dude, that swollen, his ankles swollen were really,
Ivan: really, really swollen.
Ivan: That was not just a tad. Holy shit. You know?
Ivan: I mean, that it was so bad that these guys have always, like,
Ivan: deflected everything and just not said anything.
Ivan: The fact that they actually had the doctor put out a note tells you how self-conscious
Ivan: they are about how bad it is.
Sam: And by the way, like one of the things they said is the patches and bruises
Sam: on his arm were due to excessive handshaking.
Sam: Now, first of all.
Ivan: Bullshit.
Sam: They did mention that, look, it's very common in older people to bruise very easily.
Sam: That's true. And it's very true. Like I, you know.
Ivan: I've got that happening with my father now all of a sudden. Yeah.
Sam: Yeah. My father as well. Very easily bruises. It is common in older people to
Sam: have that situation, but a number of people pointed out, given the location,
Sam: Given the location and given what it looked like, it's also consistent with, he's recently had IVs.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: You know, for something or other. Now, that's not proof.
Ivan: Which by the way, by the way, by the way, which the IVs could explain why he was so swollen.
Ivan: Because that happens. Okay? When you've had to receive a mass amount of IVs
Ivan: to get that kind of swelling like he had down in his ankles.
Sam: I don't know. I'm not going to do medical speculation.
Ivan: It's something I've seen.
Sam: Other than repeat other people's medical speculation.
Ivan: But yeah, but no, yeah.
Sam: But like, so the question is like, okay, he's deteriorating mentally.
Sam: He's deteriorating physically.
Ivan: Not fast enough, Sam.
Sam: And he's spiraling due to this Epstein stuff that he's obviously scared.
Ivan: I'm hoping he has a stroke or a heart attack soon. That's so nice of you.
Sam: Mr. Boyd.
Ivan: I've never really wished this upon anybody except this motherfucker.
Ivan: I really wish this guy ill health. And I hope I don't ever wish somebody else
Ivan: ill health again in my life.
Sam: Well, and the question is, you know, does all of these trends,
Sam: like, look, every time we've had things before that we think this is finally
Sam: the turning point on XYZ, he bounces back and is back to normal a few weeks later.
Sam: Whether it's health or scandal or whatever.
Sam: But so far, this feels a little bit different because on the scandal-wise,
Sam: for the very first time, it's his own base that's more upset than anybody else.
Sam: It's not just the Democrats making noise.
Sam: It's his own base that's upset about the scandal.
Sam: And the health stuff just seems more pronounced than it has been in previous episodes.
Ivan: Well, recently I was looking at this and, you know, and I was reading an article
Ivan: that it talks about how we apparently don't age like slowly and gracefully.
Ivan: Okay? We age in bursts.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Okay? And, you know, and there is a burst that is Just about as in one of the
Ivan: articles I was reading that happens in the late 70s. Okay.
Ivan: It's just one of those things.
Sam: Well, and so these things can be triggered either by an instant,
Sam: like you have a fall and all of a sudden you get worse or by stress.
Sam: So, you know, maybe the Epstein stuff is stressing him out and causing all of
Sam: these other physical and mental things to deteriorate faster as well. Who knows?
Ivan: Well, he wanted to be president again. Of course.
Sam: Well, he really just wanted to avoid jail.
Ivan: Fuck. Yeah.
Sam: Which he did.
Ivan: He did. Motherfucker.
Sam: So.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Well. The only question I have about this.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Assume, assume he doesn't just drop dead of his illnesses or whatever,
Sam: and he just continues to deteriorate.
Sam: Are, you know, are, are, are, are his supporters going to pretend that this
Sam: isn't happening for the next three years?
Ivan: They're probably going to say that it's a clone or something like that.
Ivan: I don't know. Some stupid thing. Who knows?
Sam: I mean, like, you know, and there is a thing too. Like, I mean,
Sam: you know, we sort of acknowledged that Joe Biden was getting older,
Sam: but we said, look, but his staff around him can handle everything.
Sam: And, you know, he's still making the important decisions and, you know, et cetera.
Sam: And I feel like the difference to me is that I think Joe Biden was starting
Sam: at a point where even on his worst days, he was better than Trump on his best day.
Ivan: Correct. He was, he was coherent. He had an overarching strategy.
Ivan: They knew what the fuck they were. You know, there was a strategy.
Ivan: One of the things about being a great executive, okay, which I think Joe Biden was,
Ivan: okay, is that you have this strategy and you don't need to be,
Ivan: you have the right team to whom it is delegated to execute.
Ivan: You don't have to do this day to day, but you're so consistent on it and you've
Ivan: already set it out and you're not changing your mind every two seconds.
Ivan: You have them set in the direction. your team knows what
Ivan: where the fuck they're pushing where they're going okay with trump man one day
Ivan: oh we're doing no no no farmers no hotel employees or restaurant employees you
Ivan: know immigration raid three days later yes yes yes arrest the ball bring them.
Sam: All whatever like whatever oh today.
Ivan: No no tariffs on these guys.
Sam: Yes tariffs tomorrow oh no no
Sam: no this i mean every day no no absolutely you're
Sam: 100 right but add on top of that because for
Sam: this second term his only criteria
Sam: for who to staff his administration is loyalty
Sam: you've also got a bunch of incompetence anyway
Sam: yes yes so like you know
Sam: if donald trump falls apart everything else
Sam: falls apart too which you know in some
Sam: cases may be good because it stops them from doing the evil things they were
Sam: gonna do correct but you know now there there are a couple of exceptions of
Sam: people who are evil and know what they're doing too you know yeah yeah um i'd put maybe uh,
Sam: you know, Miller might be in this category.
Ivan: Like, you know, is an idiot. Right.
Ivan: I mean, he probably, you know, if no Trump is there, he'll probably spend the
Ivan: rest of his, you know, the rest of his time over there.
Ivan: Like, I don't know, doing YouTube videos and posting on Instagram.
Sam: Right. And then, but I, you know, another one,
Sam: which if something happens to Trump is important, jd vance
Sam: i think he's actually like competent you know i think he wants to do a lot of
Sam: horrible things but he's actually competent unlike donald trump so if we end
Sam: up with a vance he's a grifter and so whatever he is a grifter he is absolutely you.
Ivan: Know what he is going to.
Sam: Go he has the positions he has because he calculated those would get him ahead exactly he.
Ivan: Is going to go with the flow.
Sam: Yes so.
Ivan: You know who the hell you know if a whole bunch of business people come to him
Ivan: and say hey fuck this immigration thing you're killing our business what the fuck are you doing.
Sam: Oh i think if if vance became president tomorrow all this tariff shit would be gone the next oh the.
Ivan: Next day the.
Sam: Tariffs are gone the next day i don't.
Ivan: You know So, yes, the only guy that wants tariffs that I can see in that administration
Ivan: are, like, Nutlick and Navarro.
Ivan: Ron Verro. That's it. Everybody else is like, fuck these tariffs. Get rid of them.
Sam: Yeah. Now, Vance may double down on the immigration stuff, though.
Sam: Who knows? Or he may change his mind entirely because he'd be like,
Sam: oh, you know, actually, you know, my wife's an immigrant. Everything's cool.
Ivan: Or the farm workers, the thing. And I'm like, yeah, you know,
Ivan: we don't want to fuck the farms.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: You know what I'm saying? Because you wind up with one of these guys who's like
Ivan: more pro business. They're going to be like, well, what are we doing?
Ivan: We're killing all these little companies.
Sam: Well, here's another difference. If Vance becomes president,
Sam: he's going to want to be president again.
Sam: Right. And so he's going to want to do popular things.
Ivan: Exactly. And that immigration shit is very unpopular.
Sam: Right. Whereas this time around, Donald Trump isn't caring one tiny bit.
Sam: He doesn't give a shit. He just wants to plow ahead.
Ivan: I have the strange feeling also that other than Donald Trump liking him and
Ivan: using him because as his evil, like, you know, stormtrooper, Steve Miller.
Ivan: I have a feeling that nobody else really likes him because that's been his whole
Ivan: life where nobody has really liked him anyway.
Sam: Steve Miller.
Ivan: Yeah, Steve Miller. so he's probably a guy that if JD Vance gets in there I'm
Ivan: like fuck this guy I mean I don't care maybe I agree with like 50% the shit
Ivan: he's doing I can't stand him you know get rid of this asshole mmhmm,
Ivan: You can go watch Elon Musk fuck his wife.
Sam: Well, apparently they've broken up too now.
Ivan: Who?
Sam: Miller's wife is now no longer with Elon.
Ivan: Aww.
Sam: She took off all the SpaceX stuff off her social media.
Sam: And a few other things. So apparently, like, aww.
Ivan: I feel so bad for her.
Ivan: What a shame.
Sam: I think the important question is just, was she impregnated first?
Ivan: Right. Yeah. That's the question.
Sam: How many children can she deliver for Elon?
Ivan: Correct.
Sam: Because, you know, that's what matters, apparently.
Ivan: Huh.
Sam: Are we done?
Ivan: Yeah, we're done.
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Sam: So Yvonne, what is a highlight from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that you would
Sam: like to talk about that we have not otherwise mentioned so far on this show?
Ivan: Oh God, I'm trying to figure out which one.
Sam: Oh, come on.
Ivan: Let's do the one obvious. All right. The one obvious one. Okay.
Ivan: So we shared this. It's been all over the place.
Ivan: I hear who shared it. I think it was Bob shared it first.
Sam: I've been watching it for a while before Bob shared it. But like he was the one who brought it.
Ivan: So there is a CEO and his HRVP that were in a Coldplay concert.
Ivan: They were, I guess, in an embrace.
Sam: So say that right apparently there and there.
Ivan: Was a camera that was like panning around.
Sam: Well it's more than that
Sam: let me describe it because they should have known better in a number of
Sam: ways apparently it is a routine part of the Coldplay concert series that they're
Sam: on that at a certain point in the show they find a couple in the audience they
Sam: put the camera on them and then he does an impromptu song about the couple.
Ivan: Hot.
Sam: Okay. So that is what normally happens. So the camera found these two and she
Sam: was in front of him. He was hugging her.
Sam: She was hugging him. They were in an embrace and the camera goes to them and
Sam: they're looking all happy. And then they look up at the jumbotron or whatever
Sam: and realize that they are on it.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: And he immediately just drops to the ground out of frame.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: And then she, well, first their eyes go wide when they realize what's happening.
Sam: Then he drops to the ground and then she sort of turns around and hides her face.
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: And then the Coldplay, like main singer, I forget his name, Chris something maybe.
Sam: I don't know Coldplay. But he says, oh, oh, what's going on here?
Sam: These two, they're either having an affair, or they're just very shy.
Sam: And she's just hiding. He's gone. Who the hell knows where he's gone to.
Sam: And of course, because they reacted this way, this instantly went viral.
Ivan: Yeah, I mean, what I said is that if they probably just played it cool,
Ivan: nobody would have, you know.
Sam: Even if they were, yes. Even if they were co-workers that probably shouldn't
Sam: have been hugging each other in public on camera.
Ivan: Nobody would have seen this anyway.
Sam: Yeah, and I've seen a couple skits done on TikTok and such of,
Sam: like, people showing how you could have played it off in a variety of different ways.
Sam: Like, even if they started off in that hugging position, they could have immediately
Sam: done, like, a little skit.
Sam: or like, you know, there are a number of different ways they could have reacted
Sam: that at the very least would not have attracted attention of the crowd and the
Sam: people videoing it right at that moment.
Sam: And quite possibly even could have convinced their spouses that it was innocent,
Sam: depending on what they did. Okay.
Sam: But as it was, because they acted so incredibly guilty, Instantly,
Sam: this was being shared everywhere.
Sam: He made the comment about they must be having an affair.
Sam: And within a few hours...
Sam: They were both identified because he was a CEO of the company and she was the
Sam: chief people officer, the head of HR for the same company.
Sam: A third person in the video was misidentified as another HR employee.
Sam: Apparently, she was not.
Sam: They identified her as some specific HR employee.
Ivan: This thing has been a mean factory.
Sam: Though.
Ivan: The one thing about this, it's gone so viral because of the way they reacted.
Ivan: it's been like a bean factory it's just so crazy i
Ivan: mean there's been just so many of them there was one
Ivan: that was like coldplay what did uh tweeted
Ivan: i don't know it tweeted or blue sky or whatever starting with our next show
Ivan: we're introducing a camera free audience sections for people and their side
Ivan: pieces there is a picture of like epstein hugging galane maxwell with a caption
Ivan: telling my kids this was taken at a coldplay concert there is one i've seen.
Sam: Another version of this with Donald and Epstein.
Ivan: Together. There's been that one. There's one that it's a play on the movie Airplane
Ivan: where they go, hey, Jim never does this at home.
Ivan: It says, Jim never listens to Coldplay at home.
Ivan: You know, which that was on the Airplane movie. That was like a comedy.
Ivan: There was like, listen, ESPN SportsCenter had two of their anchors hugging like
Ivan: that and they panned to them and they're all of a sudden freaking out and doing the thing.
Ivan: The Philadelphia fanatic was hugging another Philadelphia fanatic and did that
Ivan: during the kiss cam tonight at the fucking game.
Ivan: I mean, it's just this thing. It's like just take it. It's been so damn viral. Okay.
Ivan: It's like crazy. And all they had to do probably was just keep doing the song,
Ivan: whatever, ignore it. And that's it.
Ivan: No, they created themselves a massive mega viral.
Sam: Just immediately move from the hug to like waving at the camera. And.
Ivan: Their board is investigating them right now.
Sam: Oh they've both been put on leave they're being investigated they are clearly
Sam: not going to be continuing in what they were doing before who knows i.
Ivan: Don't i'm not gonna say that but.
Sam: Uh the wife the wife of the ceo immediately changed her name on social media
Sam: to her maiden name asked for privacy and eventually privated the account well
Sam: i have etc the other thing i I haven't heard about her husband yet.
Sam: Her husband, they were both married, you know, so, you know,
Sam: and, and look again, like if they hadn't looked so guilty,
Sam: you know, is coworkers being, you know, having a fun moment at the game,
Sam: but they instantly looked guilty. So it was like,
Sam: You know, of course you're going to read into it. Like, yeah,
Sam: if somebody says, oh, there's nothing going on.
Sam: They were just hugging at the game. Nobody's going to believe them because if
Sam: they were innocent, they wouldn't have reacted that way.
Ivan: Exactly. Okay. The other one that I don't want to be remiss is one where Sam
Ivan: shared a fucking TikTok of what year does someone have to be born in order to be considered old?
Ivan: these fucking teenagers all kept saying like 2001 2002 i'm like okay let me
Ivan: be clear go fuck yourselves all of you.
Sam: Hey a couple of them.
Ivan: Got into the late 90s yeah yeah they got into the 90s i think i heard one go
Ivan: all the way to 90 basically saying that most of.
Sam: Them were in fact after the year 2000.
Ivan: And they said that apparently when you turn 25 you're never doing anything anymore.
Ivan: You're just, like, getting ready to be old or die or something.
Ivan: I'm just like, give me a fucking break.
Ivan: Divorce insurance should exist because women grow and nurture babies while pushing
Ivan: their careers only to see their husband on the Jumbotron at a Coldplay concert.
Sam: You know, financially, at least, his wife is going to make out just fine.
Ivan: Yeah, she's going to do great. She's going to be fine. I'm going to be a problem.
Ivan: Alright, we're done. There we go.
Sam: Okay. Thanks, everybody. Don't get sick like Yvonne.
Sam: And have a safe week. Don't do anything crazy. And we'll be back.
Sam: What's the phrase? Unless the cricks rise. Okay, that's bad because there were bad floods last week.
Ivan: Yeah, no, no, no.
Sam: There were bad floods in Texas that we didn't talk about. But we will be back
Sam: unless something massively unexpected happens.
Sam: So tune in next week. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Bye. Bye.
Sam: Thank you.
Sam: Okay, here we go. It's time for the stop button. Very excited.
Sam: Very exciting. Have a nice night, Yvonne.
Ivan: Good night.
Sam: Good night.
Ivan: All right, let's see. Come on.