WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:05.010 Hey, Sam from the Future here. Just a quick note, a whole bunch of times during 00:00:05.010 --> 00:00:06.870 the show that you're about to hear, 00:00:07.510 --> 00:00:11.610 Yvonne and I talk about the Curmudgeon's Corner meetup scheduled for Wednesday, 00:00:11.810 --> 00:00:15.090 July 2nd, and how if you're interested, let us know, blah, blah, blah. 00:00:15.310 --> 00:00:22.030 Well, as it turns out, Yvonne had something happen that kept him from actually 00:00:22.030 --> 00:00:24.390 leaving Florida on Sunday night. 00:00:24.390 --> 00:00:30.250 So he's not going to be around on Tuesday after all, or Wednesday after all, 00:00:30.350 --> 00:00:31.990 or any of the days in between. 00:00:32.710 --> 00:00:35.650 He may or may not want to talk about that next week. I don't know. 00:00:35.850 --> 00:00:38.190 But in any case, he's not going to be around. 00:00:38.690 --> 00:00:43.350 If anyone wants to hang out with me, still feel free to let me know. 00:00:43.530 --> 00:00:47.350 I'm happy to do something Wednesday night, July 2nd. And maybe we can like, 00:00:47.570 --> 00:00:49.210 I don't know, FaceTime Yvonne or something. 00:00:49.350 --> 00:00:53.710 But he's not going to be in town after all. Plans got shifted around and canceled 00:00:53.710 --> 00:00:59.470 at the last minute, and yeah, so maybe we'll do that another time. 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:02.870 Who knows when Yvonne and I will be in the same place at the same time again, 00:01:03.030 --> 00:01:06.090 but it's not going to be this coming week. 00:01:06.910 --> 00:01:10.430 And the only reason you have this note at the beginning is because I am also 00:01:10.430 --> 00:01:12.590 late getting this stupid podcast out. 00:01:12.850 --> 00:01:16.090 It's not stupid. It's a very intelligent, amazing podcast. 00:01:16.410 --> 00:01:20.770 But in any case, yeah, so keep that in mind. When you hear all the notes about 00:01:20.770 --> 00:01:24.790 that, like, let me know if you want to hang out, but it'll just be me. 00:01:25.330 --> 00:01:28.550 You know, we did have a couple of people express interest, but I don't know 00:01:28.550 --> 00:01:32.170 if we'll still do the same thing in the same way when it's just me. 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:38.920 It is what it is. Here comes the real show. Do, do, do. 00:01:40.180 --> 00:01:42.720 Zero. Liftoff. 00:01:42.940 --> 00:01:46.920 Whoa. It's going, it's going, it's blowing up. 00:01:47.100 --> 00:01:53.180 It's blowing up. Yes. If this were a Elon Musk record, that's exactly what it'd be doing. Yes. 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:55.800 We're kind of, you know. 00:01:56.460 --> 00:01:59.020 Yeah, there we go. Our stream is going. 00:01:59.980 --> 00:02:00.460 Streaming. 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:01.800 Streaming. 00:02:02.380 --> 00:02:03.140 Streaming it. 00:02:03.360 --> 00:02:09.880 All of the lovely streamers of the world. And this thing is here. 00:02:10.260 --> 00:02:12.600 A strong, powerful stream. 00:02:14.140 --> 00:02:14.600 Sure. 00:02:16.340 --> 00:02:16.800 God. 00:02:17.020 --> 00:02:20.560 Got a nice little cough going. I got a nice little cough going this morning too. I don't know why. 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:25.160 Well, I, I, okay. I am sure that our reasons are different. 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:26.100 Uh-huh. 00:02:26.700 --> 00:02:32.380 I, I, I, I just finished a, a very strenuous workout. And, uh, I don't know. 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:33.840 I did not. I did not. 00:02:33.980 --> 00:02:34.700 And I, and I. 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:36.060 I, I just woke up. 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:45.540 I tend to, you know, after doing extreme cardio to have a bit of a cough afterwards. 00:02:46.220 --> 00:02:53.280 Okay. There we go. The little notice just went out. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 00:02:55.460 --> 00:03:00.280 blah, blah, I got it. Okay. 00:03:01.740 --> 00:03:10.060 I guess, i guess we can just go yes yes yes here here here goes the going here. 00:03:10.060 --> 00:03:12.180 Goes the going okay. 00:03:33.320 --> 00:03:38.760 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, June 28th, 2025. 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.520 It's just after 17 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter, 00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:46.420 Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne. 00:03:47.020 --> 00:03:47.440 Hello. 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:53.760 Before I forget, before we say anything else, I just want to mention again, 00:03:53.900 --> 00:03:57.680 I put this in the Sam from the Future at the beginning of last week's show, but I'll say it here too. 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:06.400 We are going to have a curmudgeon's corner meetup in Seattle in the next few days. So Wednesday. 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.360 In the next few days. On Wednesday. 00:04:08.700 --> 00:04:12.700 Well, I'm not saying it's going to last several days. We're not having like 00:04:12.700 --> 00:04:15.520 a fire festival of curmudgeon's corner. You know. 00:04:15.640 --> 00:04:16.140 That would be. 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:27.060 Let me call that fire fest guy and say, hey, look, we're trying to organize an event. 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:34.880 And can you organize, you know, the Firefest Carbungeon's Corner special? 00:04:35.200 --> 00:04:43.120 Yes, exactly. No, Wednesday, July 2nd, we will be getting together in the Seattle area, 00:04:43.340 --> 00:04:46.020 probably in Seattle proper, although 00:04:46.020 --> 00:04:51.200 we haven't decided the exact time and venue yet. It'll be July 2nd. 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.560 That's Wednesday. Yes. In the evening. 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:54.420 Yes. 00:04:54.420 --> 00:05:01.100 Um, you know, and we will settle an exact time and place based on interest and who's coming. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:07.020 Uh, so, you know, basically, uh, if, you know, if, if you're on our curmudgeon's 00:05:07.020 --> 00:05:08.820 corner slack, you have heard about this already. 00:05:08.820 --> 00:05:13.340 If you're on the email list that I use to get like substitute co-hosts, 00:05:13.340 --> 00:05:16.100 you've heard about this already. But if you are just listening, 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:20.460 you may not have heard about this, especially if you hadn't listened to last week's show yet. 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.200 So here's the deal. Um, yeah. 00:05:24.070 --> 00:05:29.170 We always tell you to go to curmudgeons-corner.com and find all the ways to contact us. 00:05:29.590 --> 00:05:35.110 Pick any way of contacting us that you would like, and let us know that you're interested in coming. 00:05:35.350 --> 00:05:40.430 And if you do that, we will make sure to get back to you with the exact time and place. 00:05:40.610 --> 00:05:48.310 Again, it's going to be July 2nd in the evening in Seattle, probably in Seattle, in the proper Seattle. 00:05:49.250 --> 00:05:52.950 I mean, you go to work in the city. 00:05:52.950 --> 00:05:54.950 Like, I'll be at work in Seattle during the day. 00:05:54.950 --> 00:05:57.270 And I'm staying in the city, so, yeah. 00:05:57.390 --> 00:06:01.390 And, you know, now, we realize a couple of our listeners are north of Seattle. 00:06:01.390 --> 00:06:03.250 I actually live north of Seattle. 00:06:03.410 --> 00:06:07.590 So if we had, like, massive demand, maybe we'd move it slightly north. 00:06:07.730 --> 00:06:11.430 But I think downtown Seattle is probably where it's going to be. 00:06:11.530 --> 00:06:13.490 We're probably going to pick some restaurant. 00:06:13.850 --> 00:06:19.930 But if you are interested in coming, please pick any one of the ways of contacting 00:06:19.930 --> 00:06:21.750 us on curmudgeons-corner.com. 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:27.330 let us know and we will put you on the list to tell you exactly where and when 00:06:27.330 --> 00:06:32.950 it's going to be and also if you have any constraints like hey i'd really love 00:06:32.950 --> 00:06:38.250 to come but i can only come if let us know we'll see if we can accommodate we 00:06:38.250 --> 00:06:40.450 may be able to we may not we'll. 00:06:40.450 --> 00:06:41.350 Try to be flexible. 00:06:41.350 --> 00:06:45.590 So far we have confirmation from uh bruce i. 00:06:45.590 --> 00:06:48.110 Think bob didn't bob say he was going to try to figure it. 00:06:48.110 --> 00:06:51.810 Out but bob said he'd try to figure it out too but we don't have final confirmation 00:06:51.810 --> 00:06:56.690 yet okay so but we get we probably got bruce and bob okay there may be others 00:06:56.690 --> 00:07:03.550 there may not be like i think my wife has said she can come oh yeah oh cool so uh okay so. 00:07:03.550 --> 00:07:06.950 That way because i was telling my wife i'm like hey so she was asked is brandy 00:07:06.950 --> 00:07:09.230 gonna be there and i said well uh it's, 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:10.760 I hope so. 00:07:10.940 --> 00:07:15.300 I think so. We shall see. Nothing's final. Nothing's final. 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.040 Nothing's final. Nothing's final. This is fluid. Plans are fluid. 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:24.580 You know, it was like, well, I, of course, realized this was now, 00:07:24.740 --> 00:07:32.120 but Sam was also kind of like me where it seemed like, oh, I'm flying up there. It's like months away. 00:07:32.500 --> 00:07:33.380 Yeah, it's the future. 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:37.900 It's the future. Somewhere in the future. You know, and I'm like, 00:07:37.940 --> 00:07:41.000 no, the future is like now. I'm flying Sunday. 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.460 Yes. Which, as we're recording, is now tomorrow. 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:47.340 Right. 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:54.900 So, you know, there is a good chance Yvonne will actually be in Seattle before I push out this podcast. 00:07:55.140 --> 00:07:55.760 It's possible. 00:07:55.940 --> 00:07:58.800 You know, because I got other things to do today after we record. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.220 So I'm probably not going to get to it until tomorrow. So, anyway. 00:08:02.220 --> 00:08:09.820 Well, I mean, I'm flying at night. So, you know, I'm flying at night. 00:08:09.960 --> 00:08:13.140 I'm taking this flight that leaves at 8 o'clock, which is the flight that I 00:08:13.140 --> 00:08:17.760 took six years ago to get there. That was delayed to oblivion. Okay? 00:08:17.880 --> 00:08:21.800 That was literally left like 10 hours, 8 to 10 hours late. 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:25.080 Hopefully, that won't be the case this time. 00:08:25.700 --> 00:08:27.240 Right. Yes. 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:28.160 Yeah. 00:08:28.380 --> 00:08:28.700 Hopefully. 00:08:28.700 --> 00:08:30.480 That was bad. 00:08:33.680 --> 00:08:38.120 Yeah. Yeah, so this is one of the few times Yvonne and I are in the same part 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.820 of the world at the same time. So we're having a meetup. 00:08:41.160 --> 00:08:44.820 So let's see. And we know we have a few listeners in the Seattle area. 00:08:45.060 --> 00:08:47.400 So, you know, come on board. 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:48.920 Come on down. 00:08:48.940 --> 00:08:54.080 I just yelled for no reason there. Okay, so the show as a whole, 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:55.600 we will do the usual thing. 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.620 But first, I'll do a couple of movies. 00:08:59.260 --> 00:09:01.600 Yvonne will use the timer to keep me honest. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.140 Oh, oh, oh, shit. Let me get the, yeah, hold on. 00:09:07.280 --> 00:09:11.860 And then we'll do more serious things. And, you know, this is the kind of week 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:18.180 I figure, like, we will let each other choose and maybe somebody will go rogue. 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:23.440 But really, I think there's three big things this week, right? 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:27.580 I like, I have no idea. I gotta be honest. I don't know. 00:09:28.060 --> 00:09:28.240 Okay. 00:09:28.560 --> 00:09:32.800 No, no. In terms of, like, look, I know a lot of stuff's happened. 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:38.360 But I'm in a little bit of a blur, like right now, because so much, 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.620 so much shit's been going on. 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.160 I, I, I'm like, I, I. 00:09:44.340 --> 00:09:45.480 It seems like a blur. 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:51.180 To me, the three big things of the week seem like, first of all, 00:09:51.740 --> 00:09:53.400 you'll be amazed. Wait, wait, wait. 00:09:53.420 --> 00:09:55.500 This week, did we bomb? Was this? 00:09:55.740 --> 00:09:59.500 Yes. The bombing of Iran was since we recorded the last show. 00:09:59.540 --> 00:10:01.180 Since we recorded the last show. Okay. 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.900 I did insert a Sam from the Future at the beginning saying we bombed Iran. 00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:06.240 Right, right, right, right. 00:10:06.580 --> 00:10:09.700 Because we recorded Friday night and then the bombing was Saturday. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:15.080 Okay. That's why I said it's a blur. I wasn't even sure. 00:10:15.460 --> 00:10:19.720 Hey, did this happen since the last show? The answer is yes. 00:10:19.920 --> 00:10:27.720 Yes. Yes. So we bombed Iran. We had the New York mayor primaries. That's right. 00:10:27.940 --> 00:10:29.120 That was this week, too. 00:10:29.300 --> 00:10:32.960 That was this week, too. And we had a bunch of SCOTUS rulings at the end of 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.700 the week. I think those are the three big things. 00:10:35.800 --> 00:10:41.180 You know, I am debating something. I came home. My wife tries to avoid the news. 00:10:41.380 --> 00:10:44.300 It gives her a lot of anxiety. and i totally get it i can. 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:44.880 See that yeah. 00:10:44.880 --> 00:10:47.740 I i look i i get it i i get 00:10:47.740 --> 00:10:50.880 it there's this just you know yeah so i 00:10:50.880 --> 00:10:54.080 came home i don't know she saw something in the news and and 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.440 i'm like i could see her face like something's but i'm like and i'm 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.160 like what happened i'm like i don't know i just saw something in 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:03.340 the news and i was just like oh fuck what the fuck you know it's 00:11:03.340 --> 00:11:06.180 all i am like yeah okay i i get that okay all right 00:11:06.180 --> 00:11:09.400 yeah i i get it so i i i 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:16.040 was debating sam yes let me give you if i gave you an offer right now say look 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:22.660 we got a mission to jupiter i and in order to do this we need to put you in 00:11:22.660 --> 00:11:26.400 a cryogenic sleep for three years okay, 00:11:27.220 --> 00:11:33.040 To make it there. So right now, we will put you on a cryo sleep. 00:11:33.400 --> 00:11:34.920 Basically, you will not age. 00:11:35.420 --> 00:11:35.820 Okay. 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:38.840 So we will send you to Jupiter. Okay? 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:39.800 To Jupiter. 00:11:39.800 --> 00:11:42.380 Basically, you're not going to lose those three years. Actually, 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:44.840 I would like to see if I could take my family so that way I'm like, 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:47.000 you know, they don't lose time either. 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.920 Take a family. We're going to put you on a cryo sleep. 00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:54.540 So we're taking the whole family. We're doing like lost in space style going 00:11:54.540 --> 00:11:55.560 to the flying saucer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:11:55.560 --> 00:11:58.140 Yeah. I'll put you in a three-year cryo sleep. 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:04.560 And the question is, does Mr. Smith speak in and send us off course? Okay, go ahead. 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:08.240 Well, but hopefully not. Okay. So we'll put you in a cryo sleep. 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:13.840 So the question is, would you take the gamble now on taking a three-year cryo 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:20.360 sleep and that when you wake up, things will be better than it is now? 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:22.640 Which, you know, say you're not going to age. 00:12:23.160 --> 00:12:26.440 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you're saying that gamble. 00:12:26.620 --> 00:12:32.500 You're just saying right now that in the end, the end of the scenario is if 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:36.040 you could just jump forward three years, do you think it'll be better or worse than now? 00:12:36.560 --> 00:12:37.000 Right. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.540 It's going to be worse. No question. 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.040 You think it's going to be worse three. 00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:43.920 Years from now? It's going to be worse. 00:12:43.920 --> 00:12:48.600 I actually think that we will hit the bottom somewhere through the three years. 00:12:48.760 --> 00:12:54.300 So then it's going to be at least the one thing is that while it may be worse, 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:59.920 there will be the pendulum swing starting to hit the other way. 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.060 So it won't feel as bad. 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.260 OK, so for instance, Dems take the House. 00:13:07.800 --> 00:13:10.500 Right. Dems take the president. 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:14.240 At least that. Well, three, three years. were not going to be passed. 00:13:14.520 --> 00:13:19.180 Oh, well, I meant four years. Well, yeah, four years, not three. Yeah, right. 00:13:19.800 --> 00:13:21.320 Well, there's a difference there. 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:27.840 Yeah, four, four, four, four. Sorry, sorry. My math got fucked up. Yeah. Four, four years. 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:29.680 Math is hard, like Barbie once said. 00:13:32.570 --> 00:13:35.890 No, if I gave you the gamble, this is the gamble. Sam, Sam, I'm going to give 00:13:35.890 --> 00:13:36.910 you the gamble right now. 00:13:37.110 --> 00:13:42.190 Listen, you're not going to age one day. 00:13:42.210 --> 00:13:45.630 No, no. I still think it'll be worse in four years. Here's the thing. 00:13:45.710 --> 00:13:48.910 You may be right that we may have turned the corner. Maybe. 00:13:48.990 --> 00:13:49.910 That's what I'm saying. 00:13:50.290 --> 00:13:51.590 But it'll still be worse than today. 00:13:51.950 --> 00:13:57.230 It'll be worse, but here's the thing. Don't you prefer that it'd be worse, 00:13:57.230 --> 00:13:59.450 but eggs. You see what I'm saying? 00:13:59.450 --> 00:14:02.530 Well, this is that thing that, I mean, I've mentioned a few times. 00:14:02.530 --> 00:14:05.430 Because it is going to get worse. You're just not going to know. 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:09.150 You're just not going to be living all those moments. 00:14:09.730 --> 00:14:13.490 You understand what I'm saying? So when you wake up, you're going to be like 00:14:13.490 --> 00:14:18.350 with people that are like trying to fix the mess. I mean, that's the gamble. 00:14:18.770 --> 00:14:22.690 Or the problem is, right, that you're taking that gamble and whether you wake 00:14:22.690 --> 00:14:26.270 up four years from now, and not only is it worse, but they're making it worse. 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.950 So which one are you betting on? 00:14:29.590 --> 00:14:32.710 Because remember, yes, you're right. It is going to get worse. 00:14:32.830 --> 00:14:38.050 The question is whether at that moment the swing is still. 00:14:38.350 --> 00:14:41.470 It's great that that part's not even a question. The question is only is it 00:14:41.470 --> 00:14:44.710 getting better or worse when you wake up? There's no question whatsoever. 00:14:44.870 --> 00:14:46.210 It's going to be worse. Sorry. 00:14:46.470 --> 00:14:49.950 It's going to be worse. The question is whether we turn a corner or we're kind 00:14:49.950 --> 00:14:51.850 of like heading again in the other direction. 00:14:53.010 --> 00:14:58.970 Here's the deal. even if we're heading the right direction again it's gonna 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:04.550 be a very very long slog i get that but here's what. 00:15:04.550 --> 00:15:05.150 I'm the option. 00:15:05.150 --> 00:15:13.230 You just want to you just want to skip the trauma of watching it get worse day yes yes um yes. 00:15:13.230 --> 00:15:18.710 I'm just like oh look i know it's gonna get worse why do i need the details. 00:15:19.190 --> 00:15:20.910 I don't need the fucking details. 00:15:21.510 --> 00:15:27.390 I don't need the damn details, okay? I know it's happening. 00:15:27.950 --> 00:15:30.330 I would not skip it. 00:15:31.420 --> 00:15:32.980 I would stick around. 00:15:33.160 --> 00:15:36.340 No, but wait. But you see, the thing is, I'm sending you on a trip to Jupiter. 00:15:37.040 --> 00:15:37.840 Yes, I know. 00:15:38.540 --> 00:15:43.500 So when you wake up, we're going to be at the Jupiter star base. 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:44.360 Uh-huh. 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.000 That is not by Elon Musk because Elon Musk will be dead in Mars. 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:51.440 Hopefully when you wake up. 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:56.060 He will have crashed. You wake up. And part of the good news is, 00:15:56.580 --> 00:15:59.940 Trump is, okay, you wake up. Imagine you skip all of this. You wake up. 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:03.340 Okay. Everything's the shit, but Trump is dead. 00:16:04.380 --> 00:16:06.600 Musk crash landed into Mars. 00:16:06.920 --> 00:16:07.520 Okay. 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.880 And yeah, everything else is worse, but you get those two bits of news when 00:16:11.880 --> 00:16:16.280 you wake up. Shit. I'm like, ah, thank God. 00:16:16.460 --> 00:16:24.500 See, I would still like to experience the four intervening years and be awake 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:25.860 when those things happened. 00:16:26.020 --> 00:16:32.560 If they happen. I don't think Elon's actually getting to Mars and Trump will live until he's 193. 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:39.060 So, but it's an interesting thought exercise. 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.460 And look, it does, it does tie into, 00:16:42.640 --> 00:16:47.180 like, I was going to say, yeah, I keep coming back to this conversation I had 00:16:47.180 --> 00:16:49.940 with a friend of my son's, 00:16:50.040 --> 00:16:57.660 like a number of years back at this point who was talking about how they would 00:16:57.660 --> 00:17:01.900 have loved to live in the 80s because things were better in the 80s and they 00:17:01.900 --> 00:17:08.860 they they were and i was like no things were not better in the 80s and they were imagine. 00:17:08.860 --> 00:17:13.480 If you're listen think about if you're gay by imagine being gay, 00:17:14.570 --> 00:17:22.550 You know, say you're a gay person now. Move to how gay people were treated in the 80s. 00:17:22.790 --> 00:17:23.930 Well, and here's the thing. 00:17:24.090 --> 00:17:25.070 Holy shit. 00:17:25.690 --> 00:17:30.750 You know, I'm not going to go out of school. 00:17:31.170 --> 00:17:36.430 This person is one of the letters on the LGBTQ spectrum. 00:17:37.670 --> 00:17:42.930 And the thing that I did not think to say at the time. 00:17:42.930 --> 00:17:48.090 Like I got to the point of saying, no, things weren't better in the 80s, 00:17:48.270 --> 00:17:51.070 especially because they said, especially for people like me. 00:17:51.150 --> 00:17:53.010 And I'm like, no, things were not better. 00:17:54.190 --> 00:17:59.290 However, what I didn't realize until weeks later or at least days later, 00:17:59.350 --> 00:18:02.250 and I never went back and finished the conversation with this person. 00:18:03.090 --> 00:18:06.070 But the difference is the direction of change. 00:18:06.310 --> 00:18:08.750 Well, that is. Yes. But still, you know. 00:18:08.890 --> 00:18:10.150 It was worse. It was worse. 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:11.310 One of those things that I know. 00:18:11.510 --> 00:18:12.070 It was worse. 00:18:12.070 --> 00:18:13.330 It's way worse. 00:18:13.790 --> 00:18:19.170 Whereas now it's objectively better in some ways, but rapidly getting worse. 00:18:19.650 --> 00:18:27.710 And well, okay, Sam, I think you're minimizing how really bad it was. 00:18:27.710 --> 00:18:33.870 Oh, I know. I know. But what I'm saying is the levels, it was worse than better now. 00:18:34.070 --> 00:18:37.410 The direction is the difference. It was getting better than and getting worse now. 00:18:37.410 --> 00:18:47.130 This is one of these things where it's like, hey, I lived in a mud hut with no running water, okay? 00:18:47.610 --> 00:18:47.850 Yes. 00:18:48.070 --> 00:18:52.490 Because literally that's where gay people were. And, oh, by the way, 00:18:52.770 --> 00:19:01.890 there were people trying to kill me regularly and attack me and harass me and refuse me jobs. 00:19:02.410 --> 00:19:08.270 These literally we would refuse people jobs over being gay. but I still remember, 00:19:09.910 --> 00:19:14.810 One story about an AIDS patient that, well, this is at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic. 00:19:15.150 --> 00:19:22.050 When they came to our store, okay, to purchase medication at the pharmacy counter, 00:19:22.310 --> 00:19:27.250 people were so freaked out because nobody understood anything about this, 00:19:28.010 --> 00:19:30.110 that after the person left, 00:19:31.510 --> 00:19:36.010 cornered off the prescription counter and like Clorox bleached the entire area. 00:19:36.550 --> 00:19:37.170 Right. 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:41.790 Because they were scared they were going to get AIDS from touching the counter. All right? 00:19:42.190 --> 00:19:42.310 Yeah. 00:19:42.470 --> 00:19:43.730 I mean, think about... I mean, 00:19:45.730 --> 00:19:46.150 that's... 00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:47.750 No, no. Look, I get it. 00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:53.250 So my point is that right now, they have jobs. 00:19:53.590 --> 00:20:00.050 They have power. They have a lot of things. But, obviously, a lot of those things are being attacked. 00:20:00.510 --> 00:20:04.150 But it is from a position that is like exponentially, 00:20:06.530 --> 00:20:07.990 exponentially better than it was. 00:20:08.110 --> 00:20:11.550 Two things. How successful that is depends a lot on where you are. 00:20:11.730 --> 00:20:15.390 But also, my whole point was this is exactly parallel to your Jupiter. 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:16.350 But globally, Sam, it's not just here. 00:20:16.650 --> 00:20:19.570 No, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. 00:20:19.870 --> 00:20:24.450 But my point is just this is exactly parallel to your Jupiter scenario, right? 00:20:24.610 --> 00:20:29.870 It is that what you're talking about is not the absolute levels. It's the direction. 00:20:30.130 --> 00:20:34.790 You want to skip the years because you hope it's getting better instead of worse, you know? 00:20:34.910 --> 00:20:40.630 No, I get that. No, but my point is that, yeah, but look, one thing that I always, you know, 00:20:41.170 --> 00:20:45.910 always have to be reminded is, unfortunately, how, you know, 00:20:45.970 --> 00:20:48.110 because we look at it from the perspective of, 00:20:48.250 --> 00:20:54.270 you know, our humanity and how our lives are relatively short in the grand scheme 00:20:54.270 --> 00:20:56.610 of things. Because that's just the reality. 00:20:56.990 --> 00:21:01.390 And that historically, you know, progress has never been linear. 00:21:01.830 --> 00:21:04.890 And that's just the damn reality of it, you know? 00:21:05.710 --> 00:21:07.470 What was it? Hegel's dialectic. 00:21:08.590 --> 00:21:10.190 Okay, I'm not familiar with that one. 00:21:10.530 --> 00:21:14.110 It's basically that you make progress and then there's a counterreaction and 00:21:14.110 --> 00:21:16.850 you end up in the middle and then you make progress and there's a counterreaction 00:21:16.850 --> 00:21:21.110 and you end up in the middle and this process continues. 00:21:21.750 --> 00:21:27.130 Continues. I will look up whether I'm remembering the right thing or if I just made something up. 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:30.690 It sounds, you know. 00:21:31.350 --> 00:21:34.790 Well, I know it's the thing, right? 00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:40.550 That I just don't know if that's the right name. Hold on. Okay. 00:21:46.470 --> 00:21:47.550 Hegel's dialectic. 00:21:48.090 --> 00:21:49.470 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:21:49.590 --> 00:21:53.550 And the answer is... I am making sure... From Wikipedia. 00:21:54.670 --> 00:21:58.730 Dialectic, also known as the dialectical method, refers originally to dialogue 00:21:58.730 --> 00:22:01.690 between people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing 00:22:01.690 --> 00:22:05.230 to derive at the truth through reasoned argument. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:22:07.090 --> 00:22:11.930 Hegelianism... We figured dialectic to no longer refer to a literal dialogue. 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:16.370 Instead, the term takes on the specialized meaning of development by way of 00:22:16.370 --> 00:22:18.990 overcoming internal contradictions. 00:22:20.330 --> 00:22:25.170 Dialectical materialism, a theory advanced by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, 00:22:25.790 --> 00:22:30.190 adapted the Hegelian dialectic into a materialist theory of history. 00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:39.710 The legacy of Hegelian and Marxian dialectics has been criticized by philosophers 00:22:39.710 --> 00:22:42.490 such as Karl Popper and Mario Bungi, 00:22:42.690 --> 00:22:45.330 who considered it unscientific. 00:22:45.510 --> 00:22:50.690 It implies a developmental process and so does not fit naturally within classical logic. 00:22:50.890 --> 00:22:57.290 Nevertheless, some 20th century logicians have attempted to formalize it. Let's see. 00:22:57.290 --> 00:23:01.270 That was a very big word salad that didn't actually say anything, 00:23:01.390 --> 00:23:04.470 can I be honest? Sounds like AI wrote that damn thing. 00:23:04.730 --> 00:23:09.210 Here we go. The dialectic is sometimes—this is the part I was saying about it in the middle. 00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:14.510 The dialectic is sometimes presented in a threefold manner as first stated by 00:23:14.510 --> 00:23:19.090 Heinrich Mortise Chalibaus—I'm sure 00:23:19.090 --> 00:23:25.370 I murdered that—as comprising three dialectical stages of development. 00:23:25.370 --> 00:23:32.510 a thesis giving rise to its reaction, an antithesis, which contradicts or negates 00:23:32.510 --> 00:23:37.490 the thesis and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis, 00:23:37.930 --> 00:23:40.610 although Hegel opposed those terms. 00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:41.880 Anyway. 00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:49.080 So yes, thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We also talk about this as the pendulum 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:52.220 swinging back and forth. I think you even started talking about that. 00:23:52.280 --> 00:23:53.160 Yeah, I did say that. 00:23:53.160 --> 00:24:03.380 But it adds the notion that each time the pendulum swings, you're actually moving 00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:06.340 a little bit forward. You don't end up exactly where you were before. 00:24:06.560 --> 00:24:09.480 Of course, I think that's sort of optimistic. 00:24:09.820 --> 00:24:15.060 There are certainly periods of history where, yeah, your pendulum is swinging 00:24:15.060 --> 00:24:19.560 back and forth, but you end up worse than you were for a long time. 00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:24.040 Well, it's for a long time, but like I said, you know, one of the things that 00:24:24.040 --> 00:24:27.200 go back to the fact that, yeah, we don't, the relative, 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:32.800 grand scheme of things in terms of the history of the universe, 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.540 you know, our lives are just a minor spec in 00:24:36.540 --> 00:24:39.560 the in in in that time frame yeah and 00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:42.700 so if you look at it like overall you know 00:24:42.700 --> 00:24:45.640 through the hundreds of thousands of millions of years 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:51.760 well yeah things have moved forward in some way you know people aren't just 00:24:51.760 --> 00:24:58.880 hunter gatherers you know doing subsistence out like you know attacking i don't 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.200 know i keep thinking about this there's visual when you go on spaceship earth 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.200 at epcot which goes through the history of, uh, 00:25:04.760 --> 00:25:09.320 of humanity as shows, shows humans communicating for the first time and like 00:25:09.320 --> 00:25:15.880 attacking some kind of very large animal, you know, to try to kill it and eat it, you know? 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:16.420 Yes. 00:25:16.620 --> 00:25:20.520 Uh, yeah. So, so it's kind of like that visual that I, that I keep thinking 00:25:20.520 --> 00:25:26.680 about, you know, back then in the middle of like a winter storm, you know, you know. 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:31.060 I mean, eventually we'll get another asteroid killing us. like they killed the 00:25:31.060 --> 00:25:33.360 dinosaurs and then, you know, we'll be done. 00:25:33.780 --> 00:25:39.260 Unless we've all moved to Elon's Mars colony. But, you know, the thing is, 00:25:39.850 --> 00:25:44.050 You know, we talk about these swings back and forth, but it is, 00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:50.370 you have to remember that sometimes the swings are very, very long. 00:25:51.050 --> 00:25:57.150 Arguably, after the Civil War, we had Reconstruction, and then we had the end 00:25:57.150 --> 00:26:02.230 of Reconstruction, and arguably we didn't get back to the same place in terms 00:26:02.230 --> 00:26:04.630 of civil rights progress for 100 years, 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:07.310 or nearly 100 years. 00:26:07.310 --> 00:26:10.590 and then you know and hell you know the roman empire fell 00:26:10.590 --> 00:26:13.570 and europe didn't get back to the same levels of technology and 00:26:13.570 --> 00:26:18.890 enlightenment and blah blah blah years for hundreds of years you know so you 00:26:18.890 --> 00:26:27.310 know and hopefully this is a pendulum swing that lasts you know well one thing 00:26:27.310 --> 00:26:31.370 that is i suspect i will say we're not going generations i. 00:26:31.370 --> 00:26:34.390 I don't know about generations i mean well Well, generations, 00:26:34.570 --> 00:26:36.390 well, generations are really short, so that's like. 00:26:36.590 --> 00:26:38.690 General generation usually means about 20 years. 00:26:39.010 --> 00:26:44.110 Yeah, 20 years. I think that one of the things that I see from a lot of what's, 00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:46.770 you know, what's going on is that you see, 00:26:46.990 --> 00:26:52.550 you shared a recent survey that showed like, hey, how do you feel about this 00:26:52.550 --> 00:26:55.130 whole immigration policy right now, now that it's in force? 00:26:55.530 --> 00:27:00.890 And like literally like 70% of people say they hate it. 70%. 00:27:02.350 --> 00:27:07.270 70%. I mean, it's not like kind of like this isn't like like many other divisive 00:27:07.270 --> 00:27:12.910 issues where people are like, whatever people in theory thought it sounded great 00:27:12.910 --> 00:27:15.170 in practice. They like we hate this. 00:27:17.390 --> 00:27:24.470 So, you know, it doesn't even take that long in terms of like getting the general populace to hate it. 00:27:24.550 --> 00:27:29.690 Of course, now now, of course, it's how this turns into some kind of a political change. 00:27:29.790 --> 00:27:33.230 But, you know, I don't know. I'm an optimist. 00:27:33.450 --> 00:27:38.550 So I think that somehow, even through all of this fucking bullshit that we'll figure out. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:45.880 I, I, I'm a long-term optimist. Like if you come back in 50 years, 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.660 I'm fairly sure things will be better. 00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:53.480 But I, you know, I, but I, I say I am. 00:27:53.580 --> 00:27:56.280 I am less optimistic if we're talking five or 10. 00:27:57.540 --> 00:28:02.700 I think it's, I think if you look at how things have progressed, 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.840 you look at, look at every 10 decade, every 10 year mark of the last 50 years. 00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:11.520 and you see how things radically moved each one of those 10 years. 00:28:12.120 --> 00:28:16.780 I mean, think about it. Look, just 10 years ago, who was president? 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:20.320 Abraham Lincoln. What? Am I wrong? 00:28:21.700 --> 00:28:25.860 You're a little bit off. It was Obama, for God's sakes. 00:28:26.520 --> 00:28:28.300 Oh, yes, yes. That guy. 00:28:28.520 --> 00:28:31.760 I mean, think about what we thought. Listen, let me put it this way. 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.700 Think about if you were a conservative back then, how you thought, 00:28:35.860 --> 00:28:37.680 how bleak it was for your thinking. 00:28:38.360 --> 00:28:43.160 and think about the opposite how we thought at that time I was like ah, 00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:49.660 they're done it's over and look at that the flip in 10 years and look at the 00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:54.420 flip 10 years before and look at the flip 10 years before that look I don't 00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:57.600 I think we're always prisoners of the moment okay alright, 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:07.360 and you know so we'll see 10 years from now hopefully we're still both alive and we'll be 64 years old, 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.300 and recording this podcast at 64. 00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:12.740 There's a song being 64. 00:29:13.540 --> 00:29:16.260 There's a song about 64? Fuck, I don't know that song. 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.280 The Beatles song. I hate the Beatles. 00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:22.780 I gotta admit, I don't like the fucking Beatles. 00:29:27.020 --> 00:29:30.360 I'm sure that is an unpopular opinion. I'll get roasted on. 00:29:30.520 --> 00:29:33.320 But I'm just not a big... I'm not gonna say I hate the Beatles, 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.120 but I'm just like, the Beatles, I'm like, eh. 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.880 The song is when i'm 64 by the 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:45.400 beatles written by paul mccartney he it was one of the first songs he ever wrote 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:50.960 when he he wrote it when he was about 14 years old jeez but the song came out 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.880 in 1966 when he was a little bit older than 14 so he's 83. 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.900 Now paul mccartney so yeah. 00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:03.500 So anyway very popular beatles song and you're you're like i've never heard 00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:05.200 of it i don't know what they're talking about. 00:30:05.620 --> 00:30:08.840 I don't, I don't, I don't particularly, I, I, look, like I said, 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.500 I'm, I have never been big. 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.560 I, I'm just like the Beatles. I'm just, to me, I'm like, eh, whatever. 00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:17.640 Yeah. Okay. 00:30:17.780 --> 00:30:20.000 I'm not a big Beatles guy. Never have been. 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:21.940 How about the actual insects? 00:30:23.100 --> 00:30:26.440 Oh, I like those better than the, than the actual musical Beatles. 00:30:26.860 --> 00:30:27.780 I'll mail you some. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.440 And there's plenty here. We're good. Okay. We don't need any in the mail. 00:30:32.820 --> 00:30:33.420 Oh, no. 00:30:33.560 --> 00:30:36.660 Okay. No, no. We're good. We're good. 00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:37.480 Okay. 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.480 You can give them to me when I get there. There you go. You don't have to mail them. 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:41.620 Oh, right. 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:46.960 Oh, that would be so nice for me. Oh, hi. I haven't seen you in a few years. Here's some Beatles. 00:30:47.540 --> 00:30:49.960 I'm sure the restaurant we'll be at will appreciate it, too. 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:53.560 Oh, yeah. They'll be so thrilled by this. Yeah, absolutely. Of course. 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.840 When I open up the box at the table and they start running around. 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.120 Oh, yeah. I'm sure the restaurant will be just thrilled with us there. 00:31:00.340 --> 00:31:02.700 Okay. All right. So let's move into movies. 00:31:03.100 --> 00:31:04.780 Movies. I got two. 00:31:05.780 --> 00:31:08.040 So I got to give you your seven and a half minutes. 00:31:08.600 --> 00:31:09.800 Give me five minutes each. 00:31:10.040 --> 00:31:11.900 Seven and a half. Five minutes. All right. I got five minutes. 00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:14.080 Okay. You're on the clock. 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.840 I do. Wait, wait, wait. No, don't start again. I need to mention something. 00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:24.380 Alex has been bugging me. He hijacked the curmudgeon's corner Mastodon to post 00:31:24.380 --> 00:31:26.360 a poll after last week's show. 00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:32.080 for who should host the next episode of Curmudgeon's Corner and I need to report the results. 00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:33.020 Okay. 00:31:33.540 --> 00:31:37.800 Because he is mad at me because I am talking to you right now rather than respecting 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:38.960 the results of this poll. 00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:41.480 Okay, so how many people voted on the poll? 00:31:42.020 --> 00:31:44.500 Two. And they were both my son. Okay. 00:31:44.660 --> 00:31:44.760 Oh. 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.420 Stealing various other people's iPads. 00:31:47.780 --> 00:31:48.260 Oh. 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:55.780 Or various accounts. So the choices were Yvonne Yeah. got zero votes. Sorry. 00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:58.000 Screw GPT. 00:31:58.440 --> 00:31:58.960 Yeah. 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:07.160 So not Yvonne GPT. Screw GPT. Screw GPT, which is a custom GPT that Alex has 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.460 constructed on his chat GPT account, or on mine, yours, right? 00:32:11.660 --> 00:32:17.640 On his chat GPT account, that he is, I guess, trained in some specific way that 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.660 I guess he wants it to be the co-host. 00:32:21.020 --> 00:32:25.000 I don't know what he's trained it on or why, but anyway. then 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.100 choice also got zero votes choice three 00:32:28.100 --> 00:32:37.340 was yvonne and screw gpt okay together and zero votes zero fine and the fourth 00:32:37.340 --> 00:32:46.040 choice which got two votes a hundred percent was yvonne and screw gpt special victims unit. 00:32:46.040 --> 00:32:49.260 There's a screw gpt special victims unit. 00:32:49.260 --> 00:32:52.880 Apparently, apparently. Oh? I don't know. 00:32:54.300 --> 00:32:55.080 Okay. 00:32:56.030 --> 00:33:01.050 Okay, I guess I have to talk to Special Victims Unit to see what its opinions are on stuff. 00:33:01.550 --> 00:33:04.390 Yeah. Anyway, so I needed to report on that. 00:33:05.010 --> 00:33:07.070 And so those are all the polls we got? 00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:10.390 That's all the polls we got right now. And maybe... 00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:11.590 I guess we should start doing polls. 00:33:11.850 --> 00:33:15.850 Maybe the next time you're out, Yvonne, I will try to talk to ScrewGPT. 00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:21.090 You know, after the experiment with YvonneGPT, I figured, let it go at least 00:33:21.090 --> 00:33:25.710 a year before I try to talk to AI again. because it was an interesting experiment, 00:33:26.390 --> 00:33:29.390 but it wasn't quite good enough yet. 00:33:29.590 --> 00:33:32.510 But after a year, it will have improved. 00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:34.470 Yeah, it was dull. 00:33:34.790 --> 00:33:35.470 He was not there. 00:33:35.930 --> 00:33:39.330 Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I told him. 00:33:39.390 --> 00:33:42.750 And he was very agreeable. He just agreed with you on everything. 00:33:43.010 --> 00:33:43.370 Yeah. 00:33:43.570 --> 00:33:44.510 That's all he did. 00:33:44.850 --> 00:33:48.870 Well, and I gave a transcript and said, try to be like Yvonne. 00:33:49.030 --> 00:33:51.370 And I think that failed entirely. Maybe. 00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:52.830 And then curse once. 00:33:52.830 --> 00:33:56.750 No, and maybe what Alex has done is trained it more specifically, 00:33:56.750 --> 00:34:00.390 telling it characteristics of you it wants it to follow. I don't know. 00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:04.450 But the screw thing, like, it may be somebody else. He may be training it on. 00:34:04.530 --> 00:34:07.630 He's got a character called Screwdriver in one of his stories. 00:34:07.810 --> 00:34:12.690 Maybe he's training it on that. I don't even know. Anyway, movies. Movies. 00:34:12.930 --> 00:34:15.530 All right, five minutes. Okay, you're on the clock. Go. 00:34:15.790 --> 00:34:19.790 Got two films, five minutes each. The next one is, once again, 00:34:19.870 --> 00:34:29.330 from the AFI list. This was number 18 in the 1999 AFI 100 Years 100 Movies list. 00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:33.670 In 2007, it moved up to 14th place. 00:34:34.170 --> 00:34:36.790 Anyway, Psycho from 1960. 00:34:37.310 --> 00:34:37.910 Oh. 00:34:38.310 --> 00:34:39.190 You ever seen it? 00:34:39.450 --> 00:34:43.210 Yes. It's obviously a big show. Long, long, long time ago. 00:34:44.330 --> 00:34:45.330 So this is when I— Yeah. 00:34:45.330 --> 00:34:48.970 What's his name? Who was the star—I know the guy was Norman Bates as the character. 00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:53.710 Anthony Perkins. Anthony Perkins and of course it was an Alfred Hitchcock movie, 00:34:54.310 --> 00:34:58.050 you know this is here's the thing, 00:34:58.780 --> 00:35:02.320 I, of course, had heard of this movie. 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:10.240 I had seen clips of the famous shower scene, but I had never actually watched the entire movie. 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:16.520 I think I'd had spoilers for certain key, like, ideas from the film. 00:35:16.740 --> 00:35:21.760 You know, like, I wasn't entirely surprised by the ending because, 00:35:22.540 --> 00:35:26.580 you know, this thing's been in the cultural zeitgeist 00:35:26.580 --> 00:35:30.880 for what 65 years so 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.960 is that right 65 40 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:41.640 plus 20 yeah yeah 65 yeah you know but i'll give it a thumbs up it was it didn't 00:35:41.640 --> 00:35:46.260 i don't know like i don't know how much of it was like okay i knew some of the 00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:51.460 main beats so it wasn't as surprising as it would have been for new viewers in 1960 Uh, 00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:58.840 it's also, you know, it does move slowly, you know, it, but that's the style of the time. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:05.320 It's the Hitchcock. It's sort of a slowly building tension, et cetera, 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.940 that gets resolved at the end. 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:13.140 I didn't know any of the, you know, the main plot and the main characters, 00:36:13.140 --> 00:36:18.060 you know, like what was going on with the woman that ended up in the shower? 00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:19.800 You know what. 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.640 Was going on you know with with her boyfriend you. 00:36:23.640 --> 00:36:24.180 Know who's. 00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:28.060 Also a main character in the movie i had no idea about any. 00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:32.280 Of that well shit i haven't i mean i've i watched this movie i have to be honest 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.700 it has to be well over 40 years ago i have not re-watched it since so the details 00:36:37.700 --> 00:36:39.640 of it other than some of the, 00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:41.590 The scenes are famous. 00:36:41.970 --> 00:36:42.290 Right. 00:36:42.670 --> 00:36:44.890 I don't, shit, I don't remember. 00:36:45.290 --> 00:36:48.510 Yeah, so it was interesting to me. I'm giving it a thumbs up. 00:36:49.430 --> 00:36:54.350 It was interesting to fill in the blanks from, you know, 00:36:54.590 --> 00:36:59.690 the knowing just those famous scenes and knowing some of the twists, 00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:04.850 but not actually knowing the plot of the movie, not having any idea about the 00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:06.770 actual main characters of the movie. 00:37:06.770 --> 00:37:10.230 Norman Bates is not the main character of the movie. 00:37:10.590 --> 00:37:15.990 Like there's, there's this couple who's on the run who ends up stopping at that 00:37:15.990 --> 00:37:17.810 motel in the middle of the night. 00:37:17.810 --> 00:37:23.490 And then the things happen to him with Norman Bates and, and Norman Bates' mother 00:37:23.490 --> 00:37:26.370 comes into the plot as well in a famous way. 00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:27.930 Yeah. The mother. Yes. 00:37:28.250 --> 00:37:33.910 You know, so all of that, but it was, it was interesting to fill in the gaps 00:37:33.910 --> 00:37:36.670 and it was well constructed and it's, 00:37:36.770 --> 00:37:39.710 it's a good movie it deserves to be high on 00:37:39.710 --> 00:37:42.770 the list here but you know it you do 00:37:42.770 --> 00:37:46.750 have to put yourself into that 1950s 1960s 00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:49.610 sensibility of movies that do the the 00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:52.270 pacing is slower and you know all of this kind 00:37:52.270 --> 00:37:55.750 of stuff but that doesn't make it bad like these 00:37:55.750 --> 00:37:59.630 slow burn movies that sort of gradually build 00:37:59.630 --> 00:38:05.310 up over the space of you know the length of the movie this is 109 minutes i'm 00:38:05.310 --> 00:38:12.150 looking you know can be good and it's it's done well here you know so uh good 00:38:12.150 --> 00:38:15.990 movie okay i didn't even use my five minutes you know you didn't you. 00:38:15.990 --> 00:38:17.670 Still got a minute you still got a minute. 00:38:17.670 --> 00:38:23.930 Left you got any comments on no comments on psycho okay no next a very different 00:38:23.930 --> 00:38:27.590 kind of movie and by the way we're we're still in movies i watched like last 00:38:27.590 --> 00:38:30.130 september or something okay we got. 00:38:30.130 --> 00:38:30.990 Some time to catch up. 00:38:30.990 --> 00:38:37.150 Yeah guy this yeah september 22nd and 24th for these two movies very different 00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:42.590 kind of movie from 1992 under siege with steven seagal. 00:38:42.590 --> 00:38:50.910 Oh shit you watch that movie now okay you know oh okay. 00:38:52.340 --> 00:38:56.660 You have an interesting reaction here. Did you restart the five minutes? 00:38:57.220 --> 00:39:02.620 Yes, I did restart the five minutes. Well, the thing is, it has fucking Steven Seagal. 00:39:03.540 --> 00:39:08.080 That, you know, right now, as much as I remember that that movie was, 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:14.740 to my mind in the past, a good movie, okay, that was my opinion. 00:39:15.120 --> 00:39:19.500 I can't get past the fact that it's fucking Steven Seagal, who is a complete 00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.100 and utter douchebag right now. 00:39:21.740 --> 00:39:24.800 Yeah, I mean, I didn't think about that. 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.080 I didn't even look it up. I am sort of remembering that that's going on. 00:39:30.260 --> 00:39:35.460 Like, I mean, he got Russian citizenship, Sam. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.280 Yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking. 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:40.960 I mean, he was at a Putin parade like a couple of months ago. 00:39:41.060 --> 00:39:44.540 The guy is like a complete fucking Putin psychophant. 00:39:44.540 --> 00:39:47.480 and oh by the way all the stories that 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.380 have come out about him being a fucking 00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:56.960 asshole to everybody on a set treating people like shit left and right overstating 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:01.320 all his martial arts you know training which everybody then found out that it 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.760 was all a fucking lie that people would come up and he would just lie about 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.500 all his skills okay yeah this guy is an asshole, 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.520 but the Putin part is he is a fucking 00:40:14.540 --> 00:40:19.260 Fucking absolute, as been for over a decade, a Russian psychophant. 00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:24.040 Okay. Lovely. Lovely man. So, have you seen the movie, though? 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:25.080 Yes. 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:26.720 What did you think of the movie? 00:40:27.060 --> 00:40:28.420 I liked it. 00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:33.640 I must admit, I liked it, too. 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.540 It had, the plot was, you know, 00:40:38.220 --> 00:40:43.860 other than some gratuitous, like, stupid sex, you know, There was like some 00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:48.400 added, like, I don't know, the whole thing with the playmate coming onto the 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:49.760 ship and the blah, blah, blah. 00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:51.240 He jumped out of a cake or whatever. 00:40:51.500 --> 00:40:55.420 Cheesy, he's kind of cheesy. But it was par for the course at the time. 00:40:55.720 --> 00:41:00.440 I think the entire plot was actually pretty good about the whole damn thing. I mean, you know. 00:41:00.620 --> 00:41:04.620 There was a lot that was like clear, and just for anybody who doesn't know, 00:41:04.780 --> 00:41:06.480 action thriller film, 1992. 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.680 The fundamental thing is that there is a battleship and there is an attack on 00:41:13.680 --> 00:41:16.260 the battleship where they sort of take over the ship. 00:41:17.140 --> 00:41:20.160 As it was on its way to being mothballed, basically. 00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:25.680 Yeah, or whatever. It was like the final thing on it, blah, blah, blah. And they... 00:41:27.070 --> 00:41:28.970 They wanted to steal nuclear weapons. 00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:31.750 They wanted to steal stuff. There was a whole thing. They wanted, 00:41:31.970 --> 00:41:36.250 they had a nefarious plot that was going to do all kinds of horrible things. 00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:40.450 This guy, Steven Seagal's character, was a cook. 00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:44.130 And, but he was formally, before 00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:48.130 he was a cook, he was like special forces and all this kind of stuff. 00:41:48.290 --> 00:41:51.570 And he ends up in a scenario where they take over the entire ship, 00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:53.450 except the damn kitchen. 00:41:54.210 --> 00:42:00.270 And then it's a one-man operation where he has to rescue the day, you know, basically. 00:42:00.930 --> 00:42:02.850 Well, he did recruit a number of help. 00:42:03.090 --> 00:42:08.110 Along the way, he recruits people. But, like, he starts out as— He started out 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.270 by himself. He started out by himself. 00:42:10.530 --> 00:42:15.370 Yeah, because what had happened was that he had basically done something that 00:42:15.370 --> 00:42:19.490 got him reprimanded, you know, significantly. 00:42:19.490 --> 00:42:23.690 You know, he had done some insubordination of a high level and it wound up with 00:42:23.690 --> 00:42:28.810 him basically that the only post after he's he like as punishment was that he 00:42:28.810 --> 00:42:32.370 could be only a yeoman or a cook. I remember the line specifically. 00:42:32.670 --> 00:42:36.090 And it was like, and that's how we wound up. We decided, well, 00:42:36.630 --> 00:42:39.270 instead of just being some shipmate that just like, you know, 00:42:39.950 --> 00:42:44.730 I don't know, carries lines and like just, you know, ties ties the boat up or 00:42:44.730 --> 00:42:45.950 something. I'd rather just cook. 00:42:46.110 --> 00:42:48.890 So he wound up being the cook on the ship. 00:42:48.890 --> 00:42:54.110 Yeah so anyway very unrealistic of course but movies like this always are right 00:42:54.110 --> 00:43:00.250 like you know if this scenario actually played out in real life this is not how it would he. 00:43:00.250 --> 00:43:04.010 Probably would have been like well it starts off with the fact that if he had 00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:08.590 been that bad probably he would have been you know forced out of. 00:43:08.590 --> 00:43:12.130 Oh there's our five minutes yeah okay so what's. 00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:13.750 Your conclusion on the movie wait. 00:43:13.750 --> 00:43:18.930 I give it a thumbs up it was a fine like again this was one of these We had. 00:43:18.930 --> 00:43:20.930 One minute left from the other one. So there you go. So you can. 00:43:21.150 --> 00:43:25.230 Okay. This is, you know, it's, it's the kind of brainless action movie. 00:43:25.410 --> 00:43:30.870 That's kind of fun to watch, but it's not like, it's not deep in any way, shape or form. 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:36.690 It's just, you know, the whatever action movie. I thought the premise was fun. 00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:40.630 You know, it was, it was like, you know, okay. 00:43:40.950 --> 00:43:43.010 And they almost do Honolulu. 00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:48.130 103 minutes of like escapism. Yeah. 00:43:48.130 --> 00:43:51.870 They almost knew Conolulu, and it got stopped at the last minute. 00:43:52.970 --> 00:43:58.670 Oh, spoilers, Yvonne. You just gave away the ending of the movie. 00:43:58.690 --> 00:44:02.970 The movie was from 1992, okay? 1992. 00:44:04.870 --> 00:44:09.850 Okay, people? I mean, give me a fucking break, okay? 00:44:11.090 --> 00:44:16.230 And I'm sure no one could possibly have imagined that a movie like this ends 00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:18.210 with the hero succeeding. 00:44:18.850 --> 00:44:21.490 Yeah! I mean, my God! 00:44:22.290 --> 00:44:23.690 As opposed to... 00:44:23.690 --> 00:44:27.050 I mean, because of course, in all the Steven Seagal movies, he actually fails 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:30.950 at the end! That's the one part that's very predictable about all of them. 00:44:31.030 --> 00:44:37.430 The five-minute montage of people dying painfully in Honolulu after he's failed his mission. 00:44:37.990 --> 00:44:39.830 Yes! Yes, of course. 00:44:39.830 --> 00:44:42.190 That's how movies like the nuclear holocaust. 00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:46.430 Yeah and that's it and then they they knew conolulu and the end. 00:44:46.430 --> 00:44:49.590 Exactly that's how it is yes that's 00:44:49.590 --> 00:44:54.810 how it ends okay let's take a break and then when we come back unless you have 00:44:54.810 --> 00:45:00.250 other things yvonne i'm thinking i ran then the new york mayor then scotus okay 00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:09.550 all right okay sounds good okay uh break time break time. We're going to start out with this one. 00:45:15.990 --> 00:45:19.390 AlexMZilla.com by Alex and Dad. 00:45:20.010 --> 00:45:27.390 Gaming videos and more from Alex. Elementary School by day. YouTube by night. AlexMZilla.com, 00:45:29.470 --> 00:45:41.270 AlexMZilla is A-L-E-X-M-X-E-L-A and .com is period F-M-C-O-M. 00:45:46.490 --> 00:45:48.590 Okay, we are back. 00:45:49.110 --> 00:45:50.510 So we're back. 00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:53.130 We obliterated Iran or something like that. 00:45:53.590 --> 00:45:56.590 We obliterated. Okay, listen, this 00:45:56.590 --> 00:46:00.430 is the wackiest entire sequence 00:46:00.430 --> 00:46:03.650 of events involving some kind of 00:46:03.650 --> 00:46:06.870 an attack on another country because 00:46:06.870 --> 00:46:10.310 okay so after we finished recording 00:46:10.310 --> 00:46:13.150 the podcast that we kept thinking that trump was 00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:20.070 going to not taco this yeah he was going to taco this thing all of a sudden 00:46:20.070 --> 00:46:25.190 we start getting news alerts that we we that you know we had set launched b2 00:46:25.190 --> 00:46:31.710 bombers they got there undetected they they dropped a ton that dropped a whole bunch of bombs. 00:46:32.030 --> 00:46:37.870 We can't be exactly sure what bombs they drop, but we think it's the Bunker Busters. Okay. 00:46:38.250 --> 00:46:38.430 Yeah. 00:46:38.870 --> 00:46:41.930 Most of them were on the big site on... 00:46:42.850 --> 00:46:43.410 Frodo. 00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:45.130 Frodo. Frodo. Frodo. 00:46:45.190 --> 00:46:46.650 Frodo. It's not Frodo. 00:46:47.190 --> 00:46:51.650 Frodo. Fredo. Okay, not Fredo. Okay. Okay. 00:46:51.930 --> 00:46:57.430 And apparently we did do the thing where we dropped it into the AirVent Star Wars style. 00:46:57.830 --> 00:46:58.130 Yeah. 00:46:58.830 --> 00:47:04.230 Because there was the one vulnerability of the, you know, ventilation shaft. 00:47:04.290 --> 00:47:04.590 Yeah. 00:47:05.700 --> 00:47:08.820 I mean, it's from the visuals that you can see. 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.300 It's very difficult to assess what the damage is because these bombs are meant 00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:18.460 to burrow into the ground and explode underground. 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:25.640 And so even from a satellite view, you can't really see what the hell happened underground. 00:47:26.100 --> 00:47:30.240 And also there's a lot of question about like how deep were the actual facilities 00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:33.760 versus how deep these bombs are supposed to go. So, you know, 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.660 although they do a strategy where they drop multiple. 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:41.340 So the first one will dig down a certain amount and then the second one will dig down more. 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:42.100 Right, right. 00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:43.980 Yeah. So unclear. 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:45.360 Unclear. 00:47:45.620 --> 00:47:50.360 Well, let me say this. Part of what came out is there was a leak of an initial 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.800 assessment that said that we didn't get them. 00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:57.500 There was damage, but maybe not a lot. 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.200 they basically, hey, we might have set them back a few months, 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.800 but not like set them back years or completely eliminated the capabilities. 00:48:07.660 --> 00:48:12.520 There are also reports that since, you know, Donald Trump was talking about like, 00:48:12.940 --> 00:48:16.380 hey, evacuate Tehran and we might do this, we might not, we might do this, 00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:18.900 we might not, for like a week before we did it, 00:48:19.080 --> 00:48:24.520 that they'd actually taken some or all of the actual refined uranium that they 00:48:24.520 --> 00:48:28.080 had there out and moved it to locations unknown. 00:48:28.340 --> 00:48:30.200 And one thing to keep in mind, 00:48:31.230 --> 00:48:36.130 The estimates of how much highly refined uranium that the Iranians had, 00:48:36.290 --> 00:48:39.130 I've seen vary from 600 to 900 pounds. 00:48:39.410 --> 00:48:42.750 Most estimates around 600, 900 pounds. That's not a lot. 00:48:42.930 --> 00:48:44.910 And the thing is— You can move that one truck. 00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:49.790 Well, not just one truck, but also remember, like, size-wise, 00:48:49.970 --> 00:48:55.010 I made a joke under Commissions Corner Slack of I'd hate to be the one, like, 00:48:56.070 --> 00:48:59.890 military guy, low-level military guy who got the assignment of, 00:48:59.950 --> 00:49:01.930 like, taking this out in his pants. 00:49:03.870 --> 00:49:08.490 But, you know, look, that amount of uranium, uranium is very dense. 00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:11.070 Right, it's very heavy. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:49:11.290 --> 00:49:12.710 It would fit in three shoeboxes. 00:49:13.310 --> 00:49:14.890 So that's not a hell of a whole lot. 00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:19.850 Volume-wise, this is not a lot. It would be easy to, you know, 00:49:20.390 --> 00:49:23.230 three very heavy shoeboxes, you know. 00:49:23.790 --> 00:49:26.830 Well, so I'm saying you still need a truck because it's 900 pounds. 00:49:26.950 --> 00:49:29.770 You can't just put it in the truck and the car. 00:49:29.770 --> 00:49:32.390 You split it up into a lot of smaller bits, right? 00:49:32.450 --> 00:49:34.810 Yeah, you got to, right, right, Zach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:49:35.650 --> 00:49:39.010 You know, so you could actually smuggle it out in your pants, 00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:42.510 putting it in your pocket. You just, each person takes a small amount, you know? 00:49:42.930 --> 00:49:43.970 Yeah, a very small amount. 00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:49.290 Of course, you probably don't want to be sticking highly radioactive uranium 00:49:49.290 --> 00:49:52.230 in your pockets, but, you know, to each their own. 00:49:52.810 --> 00:49:54.410 Especially lead-lined pants. 00:49:54.970 --> 00:49:58.450 Yeah, there you go. But anyway, so there's a question about all this. 00:49:58.450 --> 00:50:02.230 The administration, of course, went nuts about the leaked preliminary report 00:50:02.230 --> 00:50:03.970 and blah, blah, blah, and how bad that was. 00:50:04.310 --> 00:50:07.970 And the CIA put out a report a few days later saying, no, no, 00:50:08.030 --> 00:50:09.370 no, we did tons and tons of damage. 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:17.260 Now, I will say that, look, the thing is, I think right now, very difficult to know. 00:50:17.580 --> 00:50:25.460 I mean, for us, I'm sure that there are certain people that know really what 00:50:25.460 --> 00:50:27.800 the damage is. Here's the thing. 00:50:28.060 --> 00:50:32.740 Yeah, here's the thing. The Iranians themselves know we probably have some good 00:50:32.740 --> 00:50:36.800 intelligence somewhere, but nobody involved in this entire picture, 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.180 and I put this in the Sam from the Future last week. 00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:43.160 Nobody involved in this is a trusted narrator. 00:50:43.740 --> 00:50:46.620 You cannot trust what's coming out of the Trump administration. 00:50:46.900 --> 00:50:51.380 You cannot trust what's coming out of the Iranians until or unless we have a 00:50:51.380 --> 00:50:58.900 neutral third party evaluation by like the IEA or whatever the acronym is or 00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:00.820 whatever. We don't know, Jack. 00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:08.180 No, no, no. I don't know. It could be far more out of commission than the assessment. 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.460 I mean, it could be not even because I'm saying I'm lying at that assessment. 00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:16.880 I think in part because, you know, it's very difficult to get that information 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.100 when we're not, you know, it's not like we sent troops on the ground to go and 00:51:20.100 --> 00:51:24.100 dig in there and, you know, find out exactly, take pictures and tell me what 00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:25.260 exactly what the damage is. 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.700 We got to be gathering intel probably from second or third sources. 00:51:28.700 --> 00:51:33.200 And honestly, even if you don't, even if you do do that, you don't know for 00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:37.780 sure if there's not another undetected facility that we didn't know about. 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:38.120 Right. 00:51:38.200 --> 00:51:38.520 You know? 00:51:38.740 --> 00:51:42.580 Right. Right. So, so, so yeah. So it's, it's a tough assessment. 00:51:42.740 --> 00:51:44.760 Okay. You know, no matter how you slice it. 00:51:45.340 --> 00:51:50.260 But anyway, so we, we've had the, the, the sort of the people who, 00:51:50.560 --> 00:51:54.020 when you listen to experts talking about this and, and again, 00:51:54.740 --> 00:51:57.440 understanding the exact damage, who knows. 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.740 But the experts who talk about this say, like, even if the attack was massively 00:52:02.740 --> 00:52:07.700 successful, you're still probably only putting them back a year or something 00:52:07.700 --> 00:52:09.940 because they could rebuild from scratch if they needed to, 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.300 you know, and and that it would take some time, but not forever. Right. 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:21.880 But you've you. And meanwhile, you've got the administration has their talking points from Donald. 00:52:22.120 --> 00:52:27.360 It's like you all have to say obliterate every time. That's just like, it's obliterate. 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:33.000 Well, we had that amazing press conference the other day at 8 a.m. 00:52:33.520 --> 00:52:33.980 Hegseth? 00:52:34.940 --> 00:52:41.000 Yeah, who gave a press conference basically to an audience of one. 00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:48.290 I mean, that was just all so he could, so Fox could put it on TV so Trump could 00:52:48.290 --> 00:52:52.650 see it at the White House so he could see that on Fox, 00:52:52.870 --> 00:52:57.290 what he wanted said was being said. That's it, right? 00:52:57.690 --> 00:53:02.210 Yeah. And meanwhile, by the way, we did have an Iranian response, 00:53:02.470 --> 00:53:07.490 which apparently, like Donald Trump's own description of this. 00:53:07.750 --> 00:53:08.490 Oh, fuck. 00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:11.970 This is comedic. They called up and said. 00:53:11.970 --> 00:53:16.550 Hey, we're going to, hey, guys, yo. Okay, yeah, you know, yeah, 00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:17.730 you bombed us. Hey, listen. 00:53:18.050 --> 00:53:25.450 All right, look, we're going to bomb you at 8 o'clock, 8.30 tomorrow at this place. 00:53:26.330 --> 00:53:28.430 They asked what time would be good. 00:53:28.630 --> 00:53:34.130 Oh, no, oh, wait, well, no, I forgot. Yes, what time would be good for us to bomb you? 00:53:34.390 --> 00:53:37.190 Oh, okay. What place? 00:53:38.330 --> 00:53:43.450 Oh, okay. Oh, great. Okay, well, all right, so it's a date. All right, 00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:45.530 we'll send the bombs at that time. 00:53:45.790 --> 00:53:49.710 Make sure to be ready, okay? Yeah. Okay, great. Bye. 00:53:50.690 --> 00:53:54.750 What the fuck is going on, Sam? The hell is this? 00:53:55.660 --> 00:54:01.480 I think I think George Conway actually put this best, that it looks like both 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:07.440 what Donald Trump did and the Iranian response were both primarily performative. 00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:14.560 Like it is all about like, OK, let's do the show of doing this. Like and again. 00:54:14.620 --> 00:54:18.660 It's the same thing that happened. Remember when when when when Trump went and 00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:21.100 like killed that that general? 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:21.800 Yes. 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:26.140 And then we had the attack on the military base by the Iranians. 00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:30.400 And then everything was like, you know, whatever. I'm just like, what? 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:38.240 Right. And look, the thing, again, and the attack on the nuclear facilities 00:54:38.240 --> 00:54:40.680 may have done a lot of damage. Again, we don't know. 00:54:40.940 --> 00:54:45.160 We just don't have a trusted source there. But even if it did, 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.500 it does not, quote unquote, end their nuclear program forever. 00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:58.340 Wait, wait, wait. But listen, here's the thing important about that program. 00:54:58.640 --> 00:54:59.080 Yes. 00:54:59.520 --> 00:55:06.980 Almost all the information that we had leading up to that attack said that it 00:55:06.980 --> 00:55:12.240 seems that the Ayatollah and his, they didn't want to build a nuclear bomb. 00:55:12.560 --> 00:55:13.640 Well, yes. 00:55:14.120 --> 00:55:15.860 Everything's indicated that they 00:55:15.860 --> 00:55:20.420 weren't really trying to build a fucking nuclear bomb in the first place. 00:55:20.420 --> 00:55:26.780 Well, here's the, yes, but I think this comes down to the key difference between, 00:55:27.120 --> 00:55:31.460 you know, we talked last week about the intelligence saying exactly what you 00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:35.520 just said versus the rhetoric about they could have a bomb in two weeks. 00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:40.040 And I think the actual reality From, 00:55:40.180 --> 00:55:45.680 again, when you listen to expert experts Is the actual time frame If they decided 00:55:45.680 --> 00:55:50.580 they wanted a bomb Would have been six months to a year Like if they made the 00:55:50.580 --> 00:55:53.460 decision And I think that the key is that, 00:55:54.290 --> 00:55:59.750 On the one hand, you have people saying, look, there's no evidence they're actually building a bomb. 00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:05.550 They've actually got mandates saying they're not going to from their religious leader. 00:56:06.250 --> 00:56:10.470 And so this isn't an urgent situation. And the other side saying, 00:56:10.630 --> 00:56:14.130 we don't care about whether or not they've made that final decision. 00:56:14.370 --> 00:56:20.170 We want to make sure that if they decide that, they can't actually do it at 00:56:20.170 --> 00:56:23.870 that point in any sort of reasonable time frame, that we couldn't stop them. 00:56:24.370 --> 00:56:27.550 Because we don't want to be in a situation where, okay, they've not built a 00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:31.570 bomb, they haven't decided to build a bomb, but suddenly one Wednesday, 00:56:31.950 --> 00:56:35.410 you know, the Ayatollah wakes up and says, okay, now I want a bomb, 00:56:35.570 --> 00:56:36.690 and they have it two weeks later. 00:56:37.130 --> 00:56:41.170 You know, they want to prevent that scenario. And people have pointed out, 00:56:41.250 --> 00:56:43.790 by the way, if you want countries that are in that scenario, 00:56:44.410 --> 00:56:46.050 like Japan's probably in that scenario. 00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:53.510 Basically, any country with a large-scale civilian nuclear power capability, 00:56:53.510 --> 00:56:59.990 if they decided to, okay, we need bombs, they could do that fairly quickly. 00:56:59.990 --> 00:57:07.030 No, and that's true, but the one thing is that even though those bombs, 00:57:07.350 --> 00:57:10.050 I mean, they're kind of like, look, 00:57:11.530 --> 00:57:17.390 uranium bombs are like very basic nuclear bombs in the grand scheme of things. 00:57:17.390 --> 00:57:19.990 They're not, they're, they're. 00:57:19.990 --> 00:57:25.450 They're, we have much better bombs now that could have like a thousand times 00:57:25.450 --> 00:57:27.250 the destructive capability. 00:57:27.490 --> 00:57:32.170 But having said that, I mean, even Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not, 00:57:32.330 --> 00:57:33.570 nothing to be sneezed at. 00:57:33.570 --> 00:57:40.330 No, no, no. True, true. But the thing is, is the size, it's the delivery of the bomb. 00:57:40.550 --> 00:57:45.650 It's, you know, all of these things, you know, right? It's not a very sophisticated 00:57:45.650 --> 00:57:47.350 bomb. It's not one that... 00:57:47.350 --> 00:57:52.050 Let me get back to my point, because we've gotten far afield. 00:57:52.370 --> 00:57:59.010 My point was simply that it looks like from both the American and Iranian sides in this... 00:57:59.010 --> 00:58:03.570 We're just trying to do a firework show using the military. 00:58:03.770 --> 00:58:05.470 Now, look, I do. 00:58:05.610 --> 00:58:06.670 Between the U.S. and Iran. 00:58:06.990 --> 00:58:11.890 Do I think Donald Trump actually wanted to obliterate the Iranian nuclear program? 00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:16.190 Yes. And he was probably told that this would do it. But I think in the end, 00:58:16.350 --> 00:58:19.770 it doesn't matter because what matters is the show. 00:58:20.130 --> 00:58:20.570 Yeah. 00:58:20.670 --> 00:58:21.010 Yeah. 00:58:21.570 --> 00:58:22.770 Yeah. Number one is the show. 00:58:23.470 --> 00:58:25.930 And then he could say it was a blitz. But that's the one thing. 00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:29.550 Sam, listen, Sam, come on, man. 00:58:30.130 --> 00:58:35.890 Since when does Trump need facts? Look, here's what he needed. He needed a show. 00:58:36.090 --> 00:58:36.410 Yes. 00:58:36.830 --> 00:58:41.570 And let's face it, sending a squad of B2, what is more showing? 00:58:41.990 --> 00:58:47.850 That sending an entire fucking squadron of fucking B2 bombers undetected, 00:58:48.170 --> 00:58:52.790 you know, all the way over there and back, okay, and dropping Bunker Buster 00:58:52.790 --> 00:58:55.910 bombs, and then whatever the fuck really happened, 00:58:56.310 --> 00:59:01.850 hey, you just say whatever the hell you want to happen from it anyway, right? 00:59:02.290 --> 00:59:05.490 I mean, it's about the biggest spectacle you can do. 00:59:05.650 --> 00:59:10.810 Now, here's a couple things in terms of what has gone on since then as well. 00:59:11.110 --> 00:59:12.590 First of all, you get the show. 00:59:13.370 --> 00:59:19.010 He was feeling shown up by the Israelis, and so this helps do that. 00:59:19.630 --> 00:59:23.910 But Donald Trump doesn't want this hanging on. 00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:28.150 He doesn't he he does not want the big war with Iran. 00:59:28.550 --> 00:59:33.450 You know, like people were saying, oh, look, anti-war Donald just did some bombing. 00:59:33.590 --> 00:59:36.030 But he very much wanted this to be a one and done. 00:59:36.390 --> 00:59:39.390 So immediately afterwards, he signaled it was a one and done. 00:59:39.630 --> 00:59:44.530 He then like did that whole back and forth with the Iranians, 00:59:44.610 --> 00:59:49.490 say, you know, to make sure that their retaliation caused no real damage. 00:59:50.210 --> 00:59:53.530 And then he announces a peace deal. 00:59:54.950 --> 01:00:00.310 He announces that, you know, there's a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. 01:00:00.870 --> 01:00:05.770 And let's just, everybody's done what they need to do. Let's call this a... 01:00:05.770 --> 01:00:09.190 Okay, I haven't checked. Well, I haven't heard anything else. 01:00:09.510 --> 01:00:12.970 Did the Israelis and Iranians stop shooting at each other? 01:00:13.190 --> 01:00:13.590 Yes. 01:00:14.290 --> 01:00:14.690 Okay. 01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:19.950 The peace deal is holding. There was one thing, and this is where Donald Trump 01:00:19.950 --> 01:00:21.990 ended up saying they don't know what the fuck they're doing, 01:00:22.450 --> 01:00:28.670 where after the time set for the peace deal, Iran sent one more missile. 01:00:29.250 --> 01:00:35.570 And that missile got intercepted, but then the Israelis retaliated for that 01:00:35.570 --> 01:00:37.950 one missile with another barrage on Iran. 01:00:38.230 --> 01:00:42.170 And Donald Trump was really upset because they'd both broken the ceasefire. 01:00:42.170 --> 01:00:46.170 he was mad at Israel because he's like look they shot one missile it might not 01:00:46.170 --> 01:00:50.670 even have been on purpose and you intercepted it it did nothing why did you 01:00:50.670 --> 01:00:55.110 even bother retaliating so he was mad at both of them he yelled at both of them 01:00:55.110 --> 01:00:58.590 he said they don't know what the fuck they're doing but since then, 01:00:59.290 --> 01:01:02.590 the ceasefire's held they both look, 01:01:03.530 --> 01:01:04.410 and well. 01:01:04.410 --> 01:01:06.090 I mean BB got what he wanted. 01:01:06.090 --> 01:01:10.910 BB got what he wanted absolutely now I mean still no ceasefire Gaza, 01:01:11.110 --> 01:01:12.270 by the way, that's still going on. 01:01:13.030 --> 01:01:13.790 Different story. 01:01:14.090 --> 01:01:18.690 Like Trump gives a shit about that. Yeah. I mean, actually, he believes already 01:01:18.690 --> 01:01:20.790 he should be getting the Nobel Peace Prize, right? 01:01:20.910 --> 01:01:25.950 I mean, he's going over, what is it, Copenhagen, right? Where they get the nobles? 01:01:25.950 --> 01:01:32.750 He has lined up. He and his people have been stating that he should get a Nobel 01:01:32.750 --> 01:01:38.110 Peace Prize for the Democratic Republic of the Congo in Rwanda coming together 01:01:38.110 --> 01:01:39.770 that he's apparently working on. 01:01:39.770 --> 01:01:42.470 although when somebody asked him about details he had no 01:01:42.470 --> 01:01:45.350 idea what was going on there but but apparently they 01:01:45.350 --> 01:01:48.830 are working on something there and it's his usual it's 01:01:48.830 --> 01:01:52.170 his usual thing where he's trying to Oslo I 01:01:52.170 --> 01:01:55.730 guess he's trying to buy them off just like he did with the Abraham Accords 01:01:55.730 --> 01:02:00.550 in the in the Middle East he wants a he wants a peace prize for that as well 01:02:00.550 --> 01:02:07.190 by the way and he wants a peace prize for India and Pakistan and he's is is 01:02:07.190 --> 01:02:09.770 he's been nominated by Pakistan Yeah, 01:02:10.710 --> 01:02:14.270 well, and he was nominated for a couple—remember, anybody can nominate for the 01:02:14.270 --> 01:02:16.590 Nobel Peace Prize and— I know. 01:02:16.730 --> 01:02:17.850 I know, I know. 01:02:18.070 --> 01:02:20.650 But, yeah, he's been nominated for a few of these at this point. 01:02:21.750 --> 01:02:25.290 I don't think he's going to get one right now, but, you know, 01:02:25.530 --> 01:02:27.090 look, here's the thing, though. 01:02:27.630 --> 01:02:34.630 You know, his little peace thing—I mean, it's been holding so far between Iran and Israel. 01:02:34.790 --> 01:02:38.430 It's been less than a week, but, you know, it's been holding. 01:02:39.150 --> 01:02:44.170 Who knows what's happening with the Congo and Rwanda? 01:02:46.670 --> 01:02:50.730 I have not read very much about this, but it seems to be the bottom line is 01:02:50.730 --> 01:02:56.190 he's offering both sides a whole lot of investment from people that he will 01:02:56.190 --> 01:03:00.470 make money off of in order to come into their countries and flood them with 01:03:00.470 --> 01:03:03.370 money in exchange for them to stop shooting at each other. 01:03:03.570 --> 01:03:06.530 Trump phones. They're going to make the Trump phones over there. 01:03:06.530 --> 01:03:09.770 No, it's it's it's mining rights and things like that. 01:03:09.870 --> 01:03:14.350 But yes, not Trump phones, mining rights, real estate, whatever, 01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:17.210 you know, the usual kinds of thing or resorts. 01:03:17.330 --> 01:03:23.430 Casino, golf courses. But honestly, because that is, you know, 01:03:23.870 --> 01:03:30.390 I mean, casinos and golf courses are really the crux of our economy. You do realize that. 01:03:30.390 --> 01:03:35.610 But look, here's the thing. If he can actually, like, go to one of these places 01:03:35.610 --> 01:03:38.430 and flood it with money and get them to stop shooting each other, 01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:42.850 I guess I have to reluctantly say, okay, like, fine. 01:03:43.490 --> 01:03:46.590 But anyway, no, he's rooting for his Nobel Peace Prize. 01:03:46.990 --> 01:03:51.930 But, you know, in the end, if this does end up completely performative, 01:03:52.110 --> 01:03:55.930 like sort of everybody does a couple shots at each other and then a week later it's done. 01:03:56.370 --> 01:04:02.770 He's calling the Israel-Iran thing the 12-day war. and then I, 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:10.480 he won. I mean, he got exactly what he wanted out of it. It looks good for him in the end. 01:04:11.240 --> 01:04:16.620 And, you know, we, we, and all the people, once again, all the people talking 01:04:16.620 --> 01:04:22.040 about the worst case scenario end up looking like, oh, you're a bunch of fools. None of that happened. 01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:26.380 It was fine. He, he, he hit the place in Iran. He wanted to, 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:28.680 he had some good results. He obliterated it. 01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:32.920 And now we, now two weeks later, we've moved on and we're talking about other things. 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:39.340 You know, this is the thing about, I hate about people playing Russian roulette, okay? 01:04:39.560 --> 01:04:43.720 You know, just because, you know, you hit a fucking empty chamber, 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:48.520 okay, this time, it doesn't mean it was a reasonable thing to do! 01:04:49.600 --> 01:04:52.600 It was fine, Yvonne. It was just fine. 01:04:53.220 --> 01:04:58.520 Yeah, it's fine. Keep playing Russian roulette with this shit, 01:04:58.620 --> 01:05:03.120 you know, oh, yeah, the chamber was empty. You see? There's nothing to worry about. 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:09.880 Well, and this is, I mean, we're seeing this over and over and over again where 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:18.520 Donald Trump does the very risky thing and he either tacos or he gets lucky. 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.400 Speaking of risky things, which wasn't on the agenda, but since you're talking 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:29.160 about risky things, okay, look, everybody keeps talking about how, 01:05:29.580 --> 01:05:33.020 well, oh, yeah, well, you see, the economy hasn't crashed, right? 01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:40.460 Listen, every fucking sign right now is pointing to a seriously deteriorating economy, Sam. 01:05:42.160 --> 01:05:47.520 And it's just, you know, oh, he hasn't crashed. You see, he hasn't crashed it yet. 01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:52.600 I mean, the inflation, he keeps insisting on the Fed-loving rates. 01:05:52.740 --> 01:05:54.600 Inflation is showing higher. 01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:00.240 New college graduates are finding the worst job market they have ever found. 01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:05.180 Housing sales are slowed into the crapper. 01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:12.800 I mean, every, you know, by the way, the revision on Q1 GDP came in and it showed 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:16.680 that it was even slower than originally thought. 01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:17.680 It was negative, right? 01:06:18.120 --> 01:06:22.020 Yeah, it was negative in the first one, but the horizon more negative, 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.700 okay? I mean, I, and I'm like. 01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:28.820 You know, when do we get the Q2 number? When do we know if we've got the two 01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:30.420 quarters in a row of decline? 01:06:30.940 --> 01:06:34.400 Well, soon. Quarter ends now. It's soon. It's in a few weeks. 01:06:34.580 --> 01:06:35.800 A few weeks. Yeah. 01:06:36.040 --> 01:06:36.380 Like, yeah. 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.660 Yeah. I wasn't sure what the delay was on the June numbers. Like we got sometime in July. 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:42.780 Yeah. It's sometime in July. It's like mid July. 01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:45.820 So what's your bet? Two negative quarters in a row or no? 01:06:46.900 --> 01:06:56.740 I think that the answer is going to be yes, because there's been quite a lot of layoffs and things. 01:06:57.100 --> 01:07:01.380 And, you know, this economy is not firing an all cylinder, Sam. 01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:10.860 You know, all these immigration raids are causing problems to farmers, 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:13.660 problems in a whole bunch of industries, 01:07:14.300 --> 01:07:17.300 construction, all over the place. 01:07:17.540 --> 01:07:24.100 You know, this is, you know, this is not, this is all bad. 01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:29.620 It's all bad right now. And the thing is, it's like everything. 01:07:29.620 --> 01:07:32.020 It's not happening at the snap of a finger right now. 01:07:32.180 --> 01:07:34.340 A lot of what we're seeing is a lot of stagflation. 01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:40.180 OK, and so, you know, they're all saying, hey, right now, you know, 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:41.920 I haven't seen the prices go up. 01:07:42.220 --> 01:07:44.200 Just listen, just wait. 01:07:45.020 --> 01:07:48.120 You know, anybody is going to shop for toys this Christmas. 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:53.480 What we got in tariffs right now is going to be in for one hell of a surprise. 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.780 So, there was a specific report on toy prices in, I don't know, 01:07:57.860 --> 01:07:59.680 the New York Times or somewhere the other day. 01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:03.960 And it's saying, oh, toys are starting to really go up, blah, blah, blah. 01:08:04.060 --> 01:08:08.660 And then you read the article and it was only like 2% or something on average. 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.240 Now, there's some things like they're going up more, some less. 01:08:11.420 --> 01:08:15.980 But, and I was like, oh, 2%, that's not that high yet. 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:21.860 Like, because what we've been hearing is things like, things are going to double. 01:08:22.650 --> 01:08:23.570 We're not seeing that. 01:08:23.590 --> 01:08:28.410 But here's the thing. Right. But, you know, look, like this is, 01:08:28.630 --> 01:08:32.550 man, this is a repeat of 2020 with inflation. 01:08:32.870 --> 01:08:33.030 Okay? 01:08:33.650 --> 01:08:37.590 Where we had the shortages and whatever and the prices didn't spike immediately. 01:08:38.490 --> 01:08:45.230 Then six to 12 months later, everything started shooting up. It's not immediate. 01:08:45.770 --> 01:08:50.810 This is, you know, people are the worst at what shit that has delayed effects. 01:08:51.650 --> 01:08:55.670 But just to be fair, though, like just a couple of months ago on this show, 01:08:55.830 --> 01:08:59.290 we kept talking about when are we going to actually start seeing the effects of this? 01:08:59.390 --> 01:09:04.070 And I said, wait till July. We're not July yet. OK, listen. 01:09:04.450 --> 01:09:09.830 I remember early conversations where you gave earlier dates. They've moved back. 01:09:09.850 --> 01:09:13.870 No, no, no, no. Go back and look. I said that you're going to start seeing the 01:09:13.870 --> 01:09:19.490 effects trending into July. And the reason I said that was because of the huge 01:09:19.490 --> 01:09:24.110 inventory buildup that happened prior to that, okay? 01:09:24.930 --> 01:09:29.990 Because, well, we also had, remember, we also had the delay on a whole bunch of them as well. 01:09:29.990 --> 01:09:34.350 This is what I was going to say. It's like we talked a number of times very 01:09:34.350 --> 01:09:38.750 early on about potential effects hitting as early as like March or whatever. 01:09:38.970 --> 01:09:43.530 But what's happened, and this is where the taco comes in, right? 01:09:43.590 --> 01:09:43.770 Right. 01:09:43.770 --> 01:09:49.330 We, things keep getting pushed back, delayed, lowered, whatever. 01:09:49.630 --> 01:09:54.130 So at one point we were talking about the, you know, okay, the, 01:09:54.130 --> 01:09:57.530 the, the, the tariffs on China that would be like, I don't know, 01:09:57.630 --> 01:10:02.390 8,000% or whatever the high number was 150, whatever they, and they were lowered. 01:10:02.970 --> 01:10:07.970 after one of the back and forths. There have been multiple delays where there's 01:10:07.970 --> 01:10:11.150 going to be this big high tariff as of this, oh, 60-day delay, 01:10:11.390 --> 01:10:14.070 90-day delay, 30-day delay, whatever. 01:10:14.490 --> 01:10:18.090 And then by the time we get almost to the point where it's going to hit again, 01:10:18.270 --> 01:10:20.950 oh, guess what? It's delayed again or it's modified again. 01:10:21.170 --> 01:10:26.230 And so a lot of things that were going to be 30, 40, 50, 80, 01:10:26.410 --> 01:10:32.750 100 percent are the actual tariffs that have really been in place have been 01:10:32.750 --> 01:10:35.270 much lower, like 10%, 20%. 01:10:35.270 --> 01:10:37.570 Yeah, right. We're at the baseline of the 10. 01:10:38.150 --> 01:10:44.210 And this is the kind of thing, by the way, where lots of folks have said, 01:10:44.970 --> 01:10:49.690 you know, the 10% to 20% tariffs, things in those ranges, 01:10:50.710 --> 01:10:56.350 a lot of businesses can absorb some of that in their profit margin. 01:10:56.350 --> 01:11:01.790 And a lot of people don't, the 10% difference is harder to notice. 01:11:01.910 --> 01:11:07.510 And the question is, when or if do the really big ones actually hit that, 01:11:07.510 --> 01:11:10.630 you know, that people will notice right away. 01:11:10.830 --> 01:11:13.590 Listen, right now we are getting close to the. 01:11:13.750 --> 01:11:16.970 Even by the way, the 10, 20% people will eventually notice and, 01:11:17.110 --> 01:11:18.390 oh shit, this is more expensive. 01:11:18.930 --> 01:11:20.170 But here's the one thing. 01:11:20.350 --> 01:11:23.390 Remember, again, inventories, inventories. 01:11:23.770 --> 01:11:28.270 Inventories, price protection, inventories. Companies are kind of like gambling. 01:11:28.590 --> 01:11:34.290 Listen, a lot of companies right now have been gambling a little bit on, oh, the taco thing. 01:11:34.470 --> 01:11:37.990 OK, so at first, remember, a lot of companies went and said, 01:11:38.110 --> 01:11:40.390 no, we're going to hold prices until so and so forth. 01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:42.970 New model year for vehicles is coming up pretty soon. 01:11:43.270 --> 01:11:46.610 OK, a lot of the deadlines are coming up like right now. 01:11:46.970 --> 01:11:53.210 OK, so so you're going to have it's just because he keeps negotiating. 01:11:53.210 --> 01:11:57.710 But if not, listen, right now, we are not close to any deals with anybody, 01:11:57.910 --> 01:12:00.510 any real deals, okay, at all. 01:12:01.090 --> 01:12:07.430 So, and the other effect that you're seeing is that in the economy, 01:12:07.590 --> 01:12:10.470 this is where it starts really, people are not hiring. 01:12:10.950 --> 01:12:14.110 They're not spending. They're not investing. 01:12:14.910 --> 01:12:17.010 This gets, you know. 01:12:18.630 --> 01:12:24.690 This starts translating into it. And by the way, the labor shortages, Sam. 01:12:25.310 --> 01:12:28.310 What happened the last time we had labor shortages? 01:12:29.470 --> 01:12:31.790 What was the thing that happened relatively quickly? 01:12:32.090 --> 01:12:34.090 You mean you're talking to employers? 01:12:34.650 --> 01:12:37.430 They started desperately paying people more. 01:12:37.750 --> 01:12:40.750 Yeah, and you're talking more in pandemic during that period. 01:12:40.950 --> 01:12:48.070 Yeah. Listen, at some point, that's going to start translating into stuff. 01:12:48.070 --> 01:12:50.890 It's just, it's kind of hard to predict. 01:12:51.090 --> 01:12:55.150 It's something that, because the supply, because things don't happen like in 01:12:55.150 --> 01:12:59.750 some kind of like a linear pattern. It's kind of like, it's like kind of pushing on a string. 01:13:00.170 --> 01:13:04.650 Okay. As these things happen. Okay. So the effect exactly, hey, 01:13:04.950 --> 01:13:09.990 you know, you do this over here and it has to translate through so many channels. 01:13:10.350 --> 01:13:13.390 When exactly do you see it at the other end? 01:13:13.930 --> 01:13:18.310 Predicting that exact timeline is, is, is, is hard. But listen, 01:13:18.490 --> 01:13:21.290 you've already done all those shocks over here. 01:13:21.570 --> 01:13:24.910 It's reverberating through the damn supply chain. 01:13:25.110 --> 01:13:29.730 At some point, as, you know, the other day, Ford went and said, 01:13:30.050 --> 01:13:34.950 hey, we just had to shut down a factory for several factories for three weeks 01:13:34.950 --> 01:13:36.890 because we can't get magnets. 01:13:37.530 --> 01:13:43.090 Okay? Hey, you've got farmers continually saying, hey, we can't pick fields. 01:13:43.390 --> 01:13:45.850 We don't have people. Okay? 01:13:46.510 --> 01:13:51.470 These are the fucking waves in the middle. Those don't translate immediately to the field. 01:13:51.750 --> 01:13:57.030 But this shit keeps piling up. And more and more and more of it. 01:13:58.250 --> 01:14:02.810 Listen, I can't tell you exactly when, but I can tell you it will happen. 01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:08.830 It's just a question of when, but it's tough to tell you exactly when it gets through it. 01:14:09.550 --> 01:14:14.630 And also, like, it's hard to say how, just how bad, especially with a lot of 01:14:14.630 --> 01:14:17.790 these numbers fluctuating and policies changing all the time. 01:14:18.190 --> 01:14:23.610 Like, are we going to have, you know, is inflation going to spike to 5% or is 01:14:23.610 --> 01:14:25.970 it going to spike to 30%? Exactly. 01:14:26.790 --> 01:14:34.190 And there's a big difference in how those would be experienced by the general public. 01:14:34.830 --> 01:14:35.050 Right. 01:14:35.510 --> 01:14:36.190 You know. 01:14:36.730 --> 01:14:44.910 Listen, we've already seen that people, 10% inflation, might as well be 100% in the U.S. 01:14:45.490 --> 01:14:51.290 Well, because, I mean, eggs. That's why Harris lost, right? Right. Eggs. 01:14:51.910 --> 01:14:52.270 Right. 01:14:52.650 --> 01:14:57.970 Which, by the way, have not gone back down. At least not in a lasting way. 01:14:58.410 --> 01:15:04.830 So wait, so he didn't, I thought, they would go down on day one. Wasn't that the thing? 01:15:05.330 --> 01:15:07.150 Eggs. Yes, yes. Yeah. 01:15:07.610 --> 01:15:10.970 So no, no, no, he didn't get the price of eggs down on day one. 01:15:11.790 --> 01:15:16.850 You know, Donald Trump could solve the egg problem with, you know, 01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:19.890 a WKRP-style helicopter drop. 01:15:20.170 --> 01:15:24.230 Oh, yeah, that would be. Anyway. All right. So moving on. 01:15:24.450 --> 01:15:26.370 Or an egg's out of the helicopter. Give it to the masses. 01:15:26.370 --> 01:15:29.770 It's like I inserted a subject in the middle. Okay, moving on. 01:15:29.890 --> 01:15:31.190 What are we going to talk about now? 01:15:31.570 --> 01:15:34.570 Yeah, we were supposed to be talking about Iran. Did we finish Iran? 01:15:34.950 --> 01:15:37.650 Yeah, we finished Iran. Okay, we ran it out of town. 01:15:38.070 --> 01:15:42.350 Then let's take a break. 01:15:42.730 --> 01:15:46.650 And then we will come back and talk about the New York City mayor and all of 01:15:46.650 --> 01:15:49.770 the implications because, you know, 01:15:51.340 --> 01:15:54.280 Some people are very happy. Some people are freaking out. Let's, 01:15:54.360 --> 01:15:56.420 let's, we'll, we'll talk about all that. 01:15:58.840 --> 01:15:59.720 Here we go. 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.220 Okie dokie. Here it comes. 01:16:10.040 --> 01:16:17.900 It's just my internet being stupid. My internet being stupid is a new song we will make. 01:16:21.340 --> 01:16:25.300 more than you believe it oh oh, 01:16:27.340 --> 01:16:46.160 oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Come on, 01:16:46.280 --> 01:16:49.860 come on, come on, come on, come on. 01:16:51.340 --> 01:16:55.900 I'm tired. What's wrong? I'm really tired. 01:16:57.020 --> 01:17:02.740 It's amazing to get the show on the road. There's a road? There's a road? 01:17:03.020 --> 01:17:04.980 Oh my God, there's a road. 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:07.800 Okay, we're back. 01:17:08.260 --> 01:17:13.560 We are back. So what do we got now? The New York City mayor. 01:17:13.940 --> 01:17:17.400 Yeah, now we have not talked about this at all on the show, and it's barely 01:17:17.400 --> 01:17:19.160 even showed up on the first time. 01:17:19.200 --> 01:17:24.260 So communism, Sam, well, here's one thing. I had seen that a lot of the polls 01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:26.940 showed Osio. I mean, Cuomo. 01:17:27.240 --> 01:17:29.240 I'm sorry. Get that name confused. 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.200 Anybody that read the book Primary Colors understands why they call him Osio. 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.600 That was about his father. 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:38.420 It wasn't even him. 01:17:40.330 --> 01:17:45.450 Well, Cuomo was in the lead, but, you know, polling for these is kind of like, 01:17:45.590 --> 01:17:51.590 especially with the ranked choice. Well, it was, you know. 01:17:52.110 --> 01:17:53.650 Here's what people expected. 01:17:53.830 --> 01:17:55.530 People expected to go into a second round. 01:17:55.690 --> 01:17:58.850 Well, here's what people expected, even with the ranked choice, 01:17:59.210 --> 01:18:02.390 was that Cuomo would lead in the first round. 01:18:02.610 --> 01:18:02.890 Right. 01:18:02.890 --> 01:18:10.950 And then once you added up all the ranked choice, it would be really close between Cuomo and Mamdani. 01:18:11.630 --> 01:18:14.850 Now, that had changed over the last few weeks. 01:18:15.010 --> 01:18:20.370 If you had looked two to three weeks ago, everybody was sure this was just Cuomo. Done. 01:18:20.670 --> 01:18:20.850 Right. 01:18:21.010 --> 01:18:21.750 Cuomo would win. 01:18:21.970 --> 01:18:22.130 Right. 01:18:22.770 --> 01:18:27.870 Mamdani, over the last few weeks, closed the gap to the point where people thought 01:18:27.870 --> 01:18:33.470 he would lose the first round. but after ranked choice it could go either way. 01:18:33.670 --> 01:18:40.150 So he got some key endorsements. AOC came out for him. Bernie came out for him. 01:18:40.930 --> 01:18:44.610 You know. And lo and behold, Sam, he won! 01:18:44.870 --> 01:18:50.210 He won. Now, he has not officially won yet because they haven't done the ranked 01:18:50.210 --> 01:18:57.570 choice calculations but he had enough of a lead and enough of sort of cross 01:18:57.570 --> 01:19:03.290 endorsements from people at third place and below that he, everyone expects that he's. 01:19:03.330 --> 01:19:04.110 Cuomo conceded. 01:19:04.670 --> 01:19:11.790 Yes. Cuomo conceded the primary, but has not yet ruled out running as an independent in the general. 01:19:12.870 --> 01:19:13.690 I mean. 01:19:14.350 --> 01:19:17.230 And Adams is running as an independent in the general. 01:19:17.650 --> 01:19:19.410 You know, I listen. 01:19:19.610 --> 01:19:20.770 And of course, there's a Republican. 01:19:21.090 --> 01:19:25.030 This is, by the way, when, when people tell me about we're going to, 01:19:25.150 --> 01:19:30.030 we want to do something to get rid of certain people in the Democratic leadership. 01:19:30.710 --> 01:19:35.450 This is the kind of people I do, I agree, we need to get out of the fucking 01:19:35.450 --> 01:19:36.930 Democratic leadership, okay? 01:19:37.290 --> 01:19:37.770 Like Cuomo. 01:19:37.850 --> 01:19:38.970 Like Cuomo. Cuomo. 01:19:39.150 --> 01:19:41.750 Listen, listen, fuck a Cuomo. 01:19:41.950 --> 01:19:48.110 Okay? Listen, Cuomo, the Cuomos need to be gone, okay? 01:19:48.610 --> 01:19:53.970 The Schumers, the Cuomos, you know, those people need to be gone. 01:19:53.970 --> 01:19:56.950 This is the thing that was extremely disappointing to me about this, 01:19:57.290 --> 01:20:03.130 looking at the New York race, is not just Cuomo himself, but all the endorsement 01:20:03.130 --> 01:20:05.530 Cuomo had from the Democratic establishment. 01:20:05.530 --> 01:20:08.790 Listen, I'm sorry. Fucking Cuomo. 01:20:08.930 --> 01:20:11.470 There was a reason he quit for being governor. 01:20:11.610 --> 01:20:20.050 The guy is a fucking scumbag. I don't care if he has the positions I have. 01:20:20.150 --> 01:20:25.430 Now, look, if you're telling me that we're running fucking Cuomo versus Trump, 01:20:25.430 --> 01:20:29.430 would I hold my nose and vote for Cuomo? Yeah. 01:20:30.790 --> 01:20:36.530 shit, man. This guy is shit. It's just he's less shit than the other guy. 01:20:36.730 --> 01:20:40.230 It's the only reason I would wind up voting for him, but I don't want him. 01:20:40.410 --> 01:20:46.970 The only acceptable response from the quote-unquote Democratic establishment 01:20:46.970 --> 01:20:50.770 to Cuomo even trying to run is that they. 01:20:50.770 --> 01:20:52.650 Should have just said, fuck you, get out. 01:20:53.010 --> 01:20:56.930 Yeah. I mean, there should have been endorsements. 01:20:57.170 --> 01:20:57.370 There shouldn't. 01:20:57.370 --> 01:20:58.290 Have been money you. 01:20:58.290 --> 01:21:01.790 Know what we had what's his name up in minnesota franken 01:21:01.790 --> 01:21:04.730 franken franken fucking i 01:21:04.730 --> 01:21:08.950 mean jesus christ what the fuck what the hell did we make franken resign for 01:21:08.950 --> 01:21:14.650 over what what over some pictures that were like kind of suggestive because 01:21:14.650 --> 01:21:18.330 everybody around there actually said no he wasn't like that it's just the pictures 01:21:18.330 --> 01:21:22.950 kind of like made it look bad and i'm like i got But this motherfucker who, 01:21:23.270 --> 01:21:28.270 on the record, there is a series of serious accusations against this bastard. 01:21:28.510 --> 01:21:33.050 And then we've got people all endorsing him. I do think that there is a number 01:21:33.050 --> 01:21:36.270 of them that I've seen that flipped already and have already endorsed. 01:21:36.790 --> 01:21:38.730 I can't pronounce his last name. 01:21:40.370 --> 01:21:40.910 Momdani. 01:21:41.530 --> 01:21:47.910 Momdani. I've got to pronounce it. That have already flipped and have endorsed Momdani after he won. 01:21:48.170 --> 01:21:53.870 Okay. Or, you know, Elise is projected to win. at this point that I've already done that, okay? 01:21:54.410 --> 01:21:57.790 And, you know, they need to get with the program, but it's just, 01:21:57.890 --> 01:22:02.230 we can't be running these assholes. We can't be running Cuomo's. 01:22:02.330 --> 01:22:05.650 Well, even afterwards, you mentioned there are some people that have flipped. 01:22:05.970 --> 01:22:11.430 There are some people hedging their bets who have congratulated him but not endorsed him. 01:22:11.750 --> 01:22:14.030 And it's like, come on, people. 01:22:14.250 --> 01:22:17.790 I mean, the voters have loudly told you, okay? 01:22:17.790 --> 01:22:26.130 we don't want more fucking cuomos end the story and and you know what and and 01:22:26.130 --> 01:22:29.330 what what this guy is bringing to the table, 01:22:30.630 --> 01:22:34.430 I don't, you know, he keeps being said that, you know, he's some kind of fucking communist. 01:22:35.050 --> 01:22:41.910 He's bringing to the table the energy and the kind of stuff that we need right now. 01:22:42.210 --> 01:22:47.770 We have talked before about energy and fight and just being, getting it. 01:22:48.430 --> 01:22:48.590 Yeah. 01:22:48.910 --> 01:22:51.810 And Mom Donnie does those things. 01:22:52.090 --> 01:22:53.330 All those things. 01:22:53.610 --> 01:22:57.090 Like he's charismatic. He's, yes, he's young. 01:22:57.710 --> 01:23:01.970 and he is unapologetic about his views. 01:23:02.110 --> 01:23:05.350 Now, you know, people have, you know, oh, he's way to the left. 01:23:05.370 --> 01:23:08.570 He's talking about, like, government-run grocery stores. 01:23:08.650 --> 01:23:13.310 He's talking about free buses. He's crazy. He's, he's... 01:23:13.310 --> 01:23:16.370 Mike, I'm sorry. Here's my problem with people. 01:23:16.610 --> 01:23:22.730 Would they think that, for example, free buses are some kind of fucking, 01:23:22.730 --> 01:23:29.650 you know, like fidel castro kind of program i mean what what the fuck i'm sorry 01:23:29.650 --> 01:23:34.470 you know what i actually i thought about it like he's totally right why the 01:23:34.470 --> 01:23:39.190 fuck aren't the buses free the only people that take the fucking buses are the 01:23:39.190 --> 01:23:40.670 poorest that we have out there, 01:23:41.460 --> 01:23:45.700 You know, I know towns that have free trolleys and shit and whatever, 01:23:45.820 --> 01:23:48.740 whatnot for people to move around town. Okay? 01:23:49.080 --> 01:23:52.680 Why the fuck shouldn't the goddamn buses be free? 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:57.960 We're charging the people that can least afford that and that are the ones that 01:23:57.960 --> 01:23:59.880 use the damn service the most. 01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:05.800 Just to be clear, in a city like New York City, buses and subways are used by 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:07.560 lots of people who aren't just the bottom line. 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:11.040 No, subways more. Buses not as much. Okay? 01:24:11.460 --> 01:24:16.700 And it's very important to make that distinction because the subway is far more, 01:24:16.700 --> 01:24:21.680 you know, across the economic spectrum, but not as much the buses. 01:24:22.080 --> 01:24:26.840 OK, if you go to almost any city, the buses are usually, you know, 01:24:27.020 --> 01:24:31.440 because some guy that, you know, you see like people go into the train station. Right. 01:24:31.660 --> 01:24:34.400 And they drive their car to take a transit to take, you know, 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:38.900 the top metro, but, you know, on railways, pass, whatever those right. They go in a car. 01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:42.500 Then you've got the people that need to take the bus to get to the damn station. Okay. 01:24:42.900 --> 01:24:43.020 Right. 01:24:43.300 --> 01:24:48.180 Those people are far lower in the economic strata. So you know what? 01:24:48.320 --> 01:24:51.220 They should be getting a damn bus for free. 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:55.760 Well, and there was an interesting thing where I think it was, 01:24:55.860 --> 01:24:58.980 was it Bill Kristol, famous conservative? 01:24:59.560 --> 01:24:59.740 Yeah. 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:04.220 Who like made a comment on one of the social medias this time around saying, 01:25:05.100 --> 01:25:09.260 actually, you know, So free buses might be okay. 01:25:10.040 --> 01:25:12.420 Yes. What the hell? 01:25:12.820 --> 01:25:19.420 Because he's like, it's a common good. It's positive externalities. 01:25:19.660 --> 01:25:23.140 It might actually make sense to use taxes for this instead of user fees. 01:25:24.160 --> 01:25:28.920 Sam, I cannot come up with a good fucking reason. 01:25:29.460 --> 01:25:33.180 Why the hell we need to charge for the fucking buses? 01:25:34.250 --> 01:25:34.810 Can you? 01:25:35.510 --> 01:25:39.550 Well, the counter-argument would, of course, you would have to raise taxes to 01:25:39.550 --> 01:25:40.490 cover it a different way. 01:25:40.630 --> 01:25:44.810 Oh, by how much, Sam? Come on. Give me a fucking break. 01:25:46.190 --> 01:25:50.450 Yeah, anyway, like, the point is, my point is, even if, like, 01:25:50.810 --> 01:25:54.950 if you actually look at the policies he's proposing, none of them are actually all that crazy. 01:25:55.390 --> 01:26:01.150 No! None of them! But listen, this whole thing is, Sam, the whole thing about, 01:26:01.330 --> 01:26:06.550 first, to start off with this, I do think that, African-Americans in New York 01:26:06.550 --> 01:26:09.450 City voted more for Cuomo than from than for him. 01:26:09.610 --> 01:26:14.630 But I do think that in part that is because African-Americans and I and I understand 01:26:14.630 --> 01:26:19.490 why they they tend to vote more for the Democratic establishment more than others 01:26:19.490 --> 01:26:22.670 because they've gotten burned so many times by other fucking people. 01:26:22.890 --> 01:26:33.030 OK, so they are loathe to vote against the people that for the most part have delivered for them. 01:26:33.030 --> 01:26:35.690 okay and i get that and i 01:26:35.690 --> 01:26:38.850 get that concern okay given that in our 01:26:38.850 --> 01:26:42.330 country probably the class that has gotten the shittiest deal 01:26:42.330 --> 01:26:45.870 over our history has 01:26:45.870 --> 01:26:49.610 been them okay you know i i 01:26:49.610 --> 01:26:52.530 i get it so you don't what why do you want to vote against 01:26:52.530 --> 01:26:56.090 the guys that have consistently delivered for you even if it's fucking cuomo 01:26:56.090 --> 01:27:02.370 okay all right so i get that so that's one group that i understand I also think 01:27:02.370 --> 01:27:11.970 that some people like Bloomberg probably in their head are more like thinking of, ah, 01:27:12.310 --> 01:27:14.550 general election, electability. 01:27:15.010 --> 01:27:15.910 Well, look. 01:27:16.270 --> 01:27:18.050 You know, the kind of like. 01:27:18.650 --> 01:27:21.570 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. 01:27:21.830 --> 01:27:23.250 That bullshit. You know what I'm saying? 01:27:23.590 --> 01:27:26.390 Yeah, I know completely. And this ties exactly to what we've been saying and 01:27:26.390 --> 01:27:31.010 why Zamdani is a breath of fresh air again here. 01:27:31.910 --> 01:27:33.510 Zamdani? Zamdani? 01:27:34.780 --> 01:27:39.020 Did i did i mangle it mom mom donnie what are you doing. 01:27:39.020 --> 01:27:40.000 To the poor guy. 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.120 I like the guy i got to. 01:27:42.120 --> 01:27:46.200 Pronounce his name i i like this guy i really like this guy by the way. 01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:49.300 I gotta find this stupid clip from his debate 01:27:49.300 --> 01:27:52.140 and i'll maybe when we take the next break 01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:55.140 i'll i'll like find the clip of of when 01:27:55.140 --> 01:27:58.480 he spells his name and stuff but anyway people have 01:27:58.480 --> 01:28:01.560 like done like remixes into music and 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.180 all this kind of stuff of mispronunciations of his 01:28:04.180 --> 01:28:07.000 name yeah it's it's a clip from the debate where he starts out 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:09.880 slamming cuomo about like all the things that 01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.880 cuomo has done that you know that are 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.820 bad and and then he and because cuomo was 01:28:15.820 --> 01:28:21.100 also routinely mispronouncing his name and so he ends the whole things by saying 01:28:21.100 --> 01:28:33.220 by the way it's donnie m-a-m-d-a-n-i you should learn how to pronounce it anyway i love. 01:28:33.220 --> 01:28:36.560 That you see i love that energy fuck you know yeah. 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:42.520 Here's the thing with all of those positions whether you agree with them or 01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:50.720 not he doesn't apologize for them he owns his position and he defends them like 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:54.800 and one of the things that and i mentioned this last week and the week before 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:56.200 and probably more often, 01:28:56.440 --> 01:29:01.040 there was a brief moment where it looked like the Democrats had learned their 01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:04.780 lesson and would actually stand up and defend their positions. 01:29:04.980 --> 01:29:07.880 But then they started retreating again from all kinds of things. 01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:11.160 Yep. Yep. This has been happening in recent time. Yes. 01:29:11.340 --> 01:29:14.300 You have them running from defending You had like. 01:29:14.340 --> 01:29:18.900 You had fucking like Newsom for a couple of months like, you know, 01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:25.260 trying to ingratiate himself with like fucking like right-wing lunatic and stuff 01:29:25.260 --> 01:29:27.600 or whatever, bringing him on the podcast or whatever right now. 01:29:27.780 --> 01:29:32.100 I did more than once, like, you know, and he has completely done a 180 on that. 01:29:32.320 --> 01:29:35.460 I give him credit because he's completely done a 180 on that. 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:40.960 The thing is, like, Mom Donnie, like, in New York City with lots of Jewish people, 01:29:41.100 --> 01:29:47.400 was asked about whether he believed Israel should exist as a Jewish state. And his answer was, 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:52.560 I believe Israel should exist as a state with equal rights for everyone. 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:59.740 I don't believe in states based on ethnicity or religion. I don't think that should be a thing. 01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:03.420 And he said it outright and defended that position. 01:30:03.700 --> 01:30:05.420 He didn't run from it. 01:30:05.980 --> 01:30:11.100 He's being accused of being a socialist for the buses and the grocery stores and all this other. 01:30:11.220 --> 01:30:17.280 He embraces the positions and goes for them. Whereas you've got like all kinds 01:30:17.280 --> 01:30:22.020 of Democrats like running from the trans issue, running from the immigration 01:30:22.020 --> 01:30:25.740 issue, running from all kinds of issues where where they are. 01:30:26.260 --> 01:30:29.120 Like I said, it's like this whole thing about instead of like explaining, 01:30:29.400 --> 01:30:32.280 oh, well, you're pro abortion. No, I'm not pro abortion. I'm by choice. 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.920 Then they go like, well, we need to consider the, you know, the religion. 01:30:37.060 --> 01:30:40.140 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, asshole. 01:30:40.340 --> 01:30:45.540 No, stop fucking like apologizing for being pro choice. Stop fucking apologizing 01:30:45.540 --> 01:30:46.820 for being pro-human rights. 01:30:47.220 --> 01:30:50.580 Yes. For a while, they were running from guns, too. 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:56.660 Like, no, just don't. You know, and this is the thing that one of the reasons everybody, 01:30:56.900 --> 01:31:02.820 and I hate sounding like a 2016 Bernie Sanders supporter, 01:31:02.820 --> 01:31:10.080 But one of the things that the Democratic establishment is like pissing their 01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:14.940 entire base off is because they're trying to do this triangulation. 01:31:15.120 --> 01:31:22.180 They're trying to. They're being so afraid of alienating the median voter. 01:31:22.440 --> 01:31:28.440 They're they want to like they're all focused on how do we get back the Trump voters. Yeah. 01:31:28.940 --> 01:31:33.740 And so we have to moderate and we have to be more conservative and we have to 01:31:33.740 --> 01:31:39.740 run away from all the liberal views, let alone progressive or socialist views. 01:31:40.140 --> 01:31:51.640 And in the process, they make themselves seem like weasels who don't actually believe in anything. 01:31:51.860 --> 01:31:57.600 They're doing polls and trying to modify their positions to match the polls 01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:02.100 and all that. No, you want to lead and you want to lead with a bold vision. 01:32:02.360 --> 01:32:06.380 And I mean, look, fucking Donald Trump, you know, 01:32:06.660 --> 01:32:12.360 like it's, it, I hate the stuff that he is one on, but the thing is he, 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.860 he will unapologetically come 01:32:15.860 --> 01:32:22.680 out there and say the Mexicans are fucking rapists and, and, and people, 01:32:23.180 --> 01:32:28.100 even when, you know, he lies constantly, but people view him as authentic and 01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:29.400 they resonate with that. 01:32:30.180 --> 01:32:36.560 And Mandani, the same thing. Like he's, he's just. 01:32:36.620 --> 01:32:38.320 Well, he's not doing the lying part. 01:32:38.460 --> 01:32:40.440 No, no, no. But the same thing. 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:42.240 No, but not about, not apologizing. 01:32:42.380 --> 01:32:49.400 Not apologizing for his views. I have this view. I have this position and I will defend it. 01:32:49.660 --> 01:32:54.280 I'm not going to go in there and, oh no, some donor said that this made them 01:32:54.280 --> 01:32:58.520 uncomfortable. So I'm going to change my position or I'm going to hide it or 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:02.260 I'm going to do whatever or, oh, no, there was an attack ad. 01:33:02.660 --> 01:33:05.780 No, own it. Run with it. 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:12.100 Defend it. Say. And again, like maybe some of his position, I mean, 01:33:12.200 --> 01:33:15.180 so far I haven't heard anything actually too unreasonable from this guy. 01:33:15.300 --> 01:33:18.020 But let's say some of his positions are too far left for me. 01:33:18.020 --> 01:33:26.980 He is still, I still will respect him because of this, because he will come through and because, 01:33:27.200 --> 01:33:33.740 and also just from a other stylistic point of view, he's interacting directly 01:33:33.740 --> 01:33:36.840 with the people he's doing, he's doing social media well. 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:41.160 He's, he's, you know, walking up and down, you know, Manhattan, 01:33:41.480 --> 01:33:43.880 like saying hi to people on the street and stuff. 01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:48.880 And, you know, doing all of that. He, I mean, it all comes back to, he's not hiding. 01:33:49.380 --> 01:33:53.640 He's not like everybody on the democratic side. No, I shouldn't say everybody. 01:33:54.830 --> 01:33:59.310 big chunk of the leadership on the democratic side. And like some of this, 01:33:59.490 --> 01:34:05.370 I know Yvonne gets testy when people say this, some of it does correspond to age, but not entirely. 01:34:05.730 --> 01:34:06.410 Not entirely. 01:34:06.630 --> 01:34:11.350 Like the key, you know, I'd say there is a tendency for the people who've been 01:34:11.350 --> 01:34:17.150 there for 30, 40 years to be less in touch with the, than the newer people, but it's not universal. 01:34:17.350 --> 01:34:21.110 There's some older folks that get it. There's some younger folks who don't. 01:34:21.190 --> 01:34:25.790 But like, there's a whole bunch younger folks that don't. Look at fucking Steve 01:34:25.790 --> 01:34:27.030 Miller, for God's sakes. 01:34:27.270 --> 01:34:27.510 Yes, yes. 01:34:27.530 --> 01:34:33.050 The fuck, you know, look at all these fucking people, like, you know. 01:34:33.090 --> 01:34:39.270 No, but my point is, though, like, this whole tendency in a lot of the Democratic 01:34:39.270 --> 01:34:47.970 leadership to be so shell-shocked, and even more so after they lost this last election. 01:34:48.210 --> 01:34:55.170 They're all, like, in a defensive of Crouch again and not willing to actually 01:34:55.170 --> 01:34:57.810 be bold about fucking anything. 01:34:58.350 --> 01:35:02.210 There is one thing about all of this. But there is one thing about this. 01:35:02.650 --> 01:35:08.230 It's only been a few months. As much as we want to make it, oh my god, 01:35:08.310 --> 01:35:11.490 whatever, in real terms, it's only been a few months. 01:35:11.650 --> 01:35:14.710 And I think that what needs to happen and what 01:35:14.710 --> 01:35:18.390 is starting to happen is guys like him 01:35:18.390 --> 01:35:22.630 okay start getting support okay 01:35:22.630 --> 01:35:26.390 guys like newsom start fighting 01:35:26.390 --> 01:35:29.190 the people like aoc keep the 01:35:29.190 --> 01:35:35.030 fucking pressure like bernie all these people get out of this fucking like ridiculous 01:35:35.030 --> 01:35:40.710 position of trying to and and no and go out and tell these people to go fuck 01:35:40.710 --> 01:35:47.930 themselves okay literally this is what starts happening. But I do think that the voters... 01:35:49.570 --> 01:35:52.570 The significant thing about New York is to show you, hey, 01:35:52.910 --> 01:36:00.310 stop being a fucking chicken and go out and fucking fight instead of trying 01:36:00.310 --> 01:36:07.710 to ingratiate yourselves with these ridiculous positions and people, period. 01:36:08.070 --> 01:36:12.530 And look, there's some people saying that, look, hey, this may work in New York, 01:36:12.530 --> 01:36:15.270 but it's not going to work in the rest of the country. 01:36:15.630 --> 01:36:16.030 Bullshit. 01:36:16.330 --> 01:36:20.870 And look, there are two things here. One, you know, calling yourself a democratic 01:36:20.870 --> 01:36:27.470 socialist and pushing for government-run grocery stores might not work in, 01:36:27.530 --> 01:36:30.510 you know, purple parts of the country. No. 01:36:31.410 --> 01:36:36.370 Maybe it would, honestly, but maybe not. But the thing that matters, 01:36:36.570 --> 01:36:41.030 and this is another democratic wonk thing, they all get back to like, 01:36:41.390 --> 01:36:43.350 well, this policy, that policy, this policy, that. 01:36:43.750 --> 01:36:46.910 The important thing here is attitude. 01:36:47.790 --> 01:36:48.130 Yes. 01:36:48.690 --> 01:36:50.650 You know, now, of course, I don't 01:36:50.650 --> 01:36:54.290 want somebody with a great attitude with policies I absolutely despise. 01:36:54.710 --> 01:36:59.450 But you need someone with the right attitude coming into this. 01:36:59.890 --> 01:37:09.850 And Mamdani shows that. And the folks we have in leadership are, like, paralyzed. 01:37:11.110 --> 01:37:15.090 And maybe you're right. Give them a little time. They'll snap out of it. 01:37:15.090 --> 01:37:20.830 But I feel like you need to have the Mamdani's of the world actually win. 01:37:20.990 --> 01:37:22.870 And like, he's still got a general election. 01:37:23.170 --> 01:37:27.890 He may, I think he's got a good shot, but you know, who knows what will happen in November. 01:37:28.810 --> 01:37:34.010 I mean, let me, can I be honest? Eric Adams way overestimates his popularity. 01:37:34.270 --> 01:37:35.770 Oh, I think so. 01:37:35.930 --> 01:37:45.110 I mean, and Cuomo is going to find that his popularity right now after people realize that Thank you. 01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:47.360 How do I say his name again? 01:37:48.260 --> 01:37:48.900 Mamdani. 01:37:50.660 --> 01:37:51.300 Mamdani? 01:37:52.740 --> 01:37:53.380 Mamdani. 01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:56.780 Mamdani. I promise to get it right in the future. 01:37:57.160 --> 01:38:02.980 After Mamdani's real polls and numbers and support comes clear, 01:38:03.980 --> 01:38:09.200 Cuomo is going to collapse very quick. That's my feel. 01:38:09.200 --> 01:38:16.540 I, I, I know he, from what I understand, he's waiting until he sees, 01:38:16.700 --> 01:38:20.940 does he close the gap a little bit after the rank choice calculation happens? 01:38:21.120 --> 01:38:25.060 And if he makes it closer, he may do the run as an independent thing. 01:38:25.200 --> 01:38:31.620 I hope he doesn't. But here, but here's the thing too, that you've seen so much panic, 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:36.800 like there are lots of democratic establishment folks who have been like, 01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:40.480 mom, Donnie is going to hurt the Democrats overall. 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:43.680 This is the worst possible thing that could have happened to the Democrats. 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:49.160 You've got like wall street types, like expressing panic over, 01:38:49.260 --> 01:38:55.760 oh my God, the socialist one, you know, they need to get the fuck over that. 01:38:55.760 --> 01:39:03.460 And I think, you know, you've got a lot of these establishment folks who just 01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:08.060 fundamentally are stuck in, we're going to do it the way we've always done it. 01:39:08.900 --> 01:39:13.640 And part of this is you have to be next in line and you have to wait your turn and blah, blah, blah. 01:39:13.940 --> 01:39:19.660 And so, you know, of course, the person who's been there 30 years is going to 01:39:19.660 --> 01:39:23.680 do stuff and be the one in charge. 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:31.580 There has to be a pragmatic, what works, what doesn't, what excites people. 01:39:32.040 --> 01:39:36.580 I've seen people criticize. They're commissioning all sorts of studies and stuff 01:39:36.580 --> 01:39:44.260 to try to figure out why Democrats lost young male votes and why the base wasn't excited and blah, 01:39:44.360 --> 01:39:47.100 blah, blah, blah, blah. Just take a look. 01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:51.120 Take a look at what's actually working here. 01:39:51.120 --> 01:39:52.220 Um 01:39:52.220 --> 01:39:56.500 Yeah this isn't something you need to spend millions of dollars on consultants 01:39:56.500 --> 01:40:02.500 to tell you you need like a joe rogan of the left or whatever no. 01:40:02.500 --> 01:40:09.060 By the way to see joe rogan has been lately like ripping trump and the administration 01:40:09.060 --> 01:40:13.340 over and over on a whole bunch of different things he had bernie sanders on recently. 01:40:13.340 --> 01:40:14.200 By the way. 01:40:14.200 --> 01:40:16.680 And all of a sudden he's been, 01:40:18.190 --> 01:40:23.330 I don't know. He's been... Yeah, but you don't need these studies. 01:40:23.770 --> 01:40:27.670 I mean, it's very... The reason why is very... 01:40:28.210 --> 01:40:33.050 It's right in front of your face. And they're fighting it for no good reason whatsoever. 01:40:33.550 --> 01:40:36.590 I mean, they're fighting the solution for no good reason whatsoever. 01:40:37.590 --> 01:40:44.170 Right. Okay. And as promised, I looked up that debate clip of Mamdani. 01:40:44.350 --> 01:40:48.630 So here's a little bit of the mayoral debate. It includes Mamdami talking, 01:40:48.850 --> 01:40:53.670 then a little bit of Cuomo, then Mamdami's response. It's about a minute long. Here we go. 01:40:54.550 --> 01:40:58.770 My name is Assemblymember Zahran Mamdani, and I am running to make the city affordable. 01:40:59.170 --> 01:41:02.650 I'll freeze the rent for millions of tenants, make buses fast and free, 01:41:02.710 --> 01:41:04.270 and deliver universal childcare. 01:41:04.570 --> 01:41:07.430 And before you ask, I'll pay for it by taxing the rich. 01:41:07.430 --> 01:41:16.910 To put a person in this seat at this time with no experience is reckless and dangerous. 01:41:17.390 --> 01:41:22.470 To Mr. Cuomo, I have never had to resign in disgrace. I have never cut Medicaid. 01:41:22.850 --> 01:41:26.330 I have never stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from the MTA. 01:41:26.350 --> 01:41:30.590 I have never hounded the 13 women who credibly accused me of sexual harassment. 01:41:30.810 --> 01:41:35.130 I have never sued for their gynecological records, and I have never done those 01:41:35.130 --> 01:41:37.050 things because I am not you, Mr. 01:41:37.170 --> 01:41:43.050 Cuomo. And furthermore, the name is Mamdani, M-A-M-D-A-N-I. 01:41:43.190 --> 01:41:46.110 You should learn how to say it because we got to get it right. 01:41:50.330 --> 01:41:52.950 Oh, my God, he would abolish stuff. Jesus Christ. 01:41:53.570 --> 01:41:58.450 Yeah, I mean, and that has been that's the one I've seen the most. 01:41:58.690 --> 01:42:02.890 And like I said, people have been making remixes of it, putting a beat behind 01:42:02.890 --> 01:42:07.350 it, all this kind of other stuff. but that is typical of how he is responding 01:42:07.350 --> 01:42:10.670 to things and and again it's it's about the energy. 01:42:10.670 --> 01:42:11.950 Yeah you. 01:42:11.950 --> 01:42:13.610 Know and yeah. 01:42:13.610 --> 01:42:21.690 No and it's about you know like how he didn't you know let it pass for example 01:42:21.690 --> 01:42:27.950 the fact that he's a accused credibly accused sexual assaulter who resigned 01:42:27.950 --> 01:42:29.750 in disgrace and all the other. 01:42:29.750 --> 01:42:30.330 Things he listed. 01:42:30.330 --> 01:42:34.030 And all the other things he listed it's like the same thing It's like when you 01:42:34.030 --> 01:42:36.630 approach Donald Trump and you normalize him instead of, like, 01:42:37.030 --> 01:42:40.610 you know, basically referring to him as Mr. 37 felonies. 01:42:41.050 --> 01:42:41.510 Yeah. 01:42:42.010 --> 01:42:47.270 I mean, because that's who he is. He is a convicted felon who happens to be 01:42:47.270 --> 01:42:51.950 president of the United States and a convicted rapist also, 01:42:51.950 --> 01:42:59.390 because he was found to be a rapist by a civil court as well and liable for it. OK, OK. 01:43:00.340 --> 01:43:01.480 And the famer. 01:43:02.020 --> 01:43:05.280 Technically not convicted. It's found liable. But yes, yes. 01:43:06.060 --> 01:43:07.580 That's what I said. Found liable. 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:07.880 Yeah, I know. 01:43:08.040 --> 01:43:08.400 Okay. 01:43:08.620 --> 01:43:11.220 You said convicted first. I was making it clear for the record. 01:43:11.340 --> 01:43:15.380 Well, convicted. But it was, but you know, it was in a, I said civil court. I did not say criminal. 01:43:15.580 --> 01:43:16.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:43:16.120 --> 01:43:19.020 Okay. You know, you know. So, you know. 01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:22.960 Let's take a quick break and then zoom through some SCOTUS stuff. 01:43:23.180 --> 01:43:25.920 We're, you know, and then wrap this sucker up. 01:43:26.160 --> 01:43:28.700 Back after this. 01:43:28.700 --> 01:43:32.160 You're supposed to say do do do do 01:43:32.160 --> 01:43:37.920 do do do alex emzela alex 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:45.340 emzela is awesome its videos are fun and today once again we have one of our 01:43:45.340 --> 01:43:51.040 most loyal subscribers here to tell you how awesome alex emzela is i'd say on 01:43:51.040 --> 01:43:57.600 a rate from one to ten alex emzela is awesome at I don't know, 37, 82. 01:43:58.020 --> 01:44:03.260 He's pretty radical. His videos are phenomenal. They're full of creativity. 01:44:03.700 --> 01:44:07.480 And they're so funny and exciting to watch. 01:44:07.940 --> 01:44:10.300 Wow, what happened to your voice then, Amy? 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:17.760 Was that dad pretending to be you because the audio was distorted when it really 01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:20.400 wasn't because I told him to? 01:44:20.860 --> 01:44:24.460 Yes. Good job on remembering, Dad. 01:44:25.180 --> 01:44:26.760 Do, do, do! 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:33.920 Okay. Supreme Court. There were a number of cases. 01:44:34.620 --> 01:44:41.760 As usual, the majority of them were bad in one way or another. 01:44:43.080 --> 01:44:47.920 There was, the Supreme Court upheld age verification for porn in Texas. 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:59.600 The Supreme Court ruled that a law requiring parental opt-out for any book with 01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:03.840 gay characters was legitimate in schools. 01:45:04.060 --> 01:45:07.640 There were a couple others. But the one that got the biggest attention, 01:45:08.100 --> 01:45:11.900 people have been calling it the birthright citizenship case, 01:45:11.940 --> 01:45:17.960 but it's not actually about birthright citizenship because it is prompted by that case. 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:24.860 But the appeal that was in front of the Supreme Court was about nationwide injunctions. Yeah. 01:45:25.370 --> 01:45:29.490 and whether or not those were appropriate. And basically the court said, 01:45:29.630 --> 01:45:32.870 no, no more nationwide injunctions. 01:45:33.090 --> 01:45:36.010 I think they allowed some very limited cases to it. 01:45:36.270 --> 01:45:42.930 Well, no more nationwide injunctions unless the cases were class action suits. 01:45:44.650 --> 01:45:49.410 Well, no, the class action suit wouldn't be a nationwide injunction. 01:45:49.570 --> 01:45:52.030 It would be an injunction on the class action. 01:45:52.330 --> 01:45:57.190 Against the class. Against the class. So the thing is that they just said that 01:45:57.190 --> 01:46:02.450 you couldn't get blanket injunctions like that unless, A, I guess you filed in every jurisdiction. 01:46:02.790 --> 01:46:07.510 You had to like, or B, it was against a class, a specified class that was nationwide. 01:46:08.470 --> 01:46:09.990 There was a whole bunch of things. 01:46:11.350 --> 01:46:15.350 Here's my, look, listen, here's my problem with this case. 01:46:16.190 --> 01:46:20.670 My hot take is very simple, okay? During the Biden administration, 01:46:20.970 --> 01:46:24.990 during the Obama administration, we had we had a lot of we had a lot of people, 01:46:25.130 --> 01:46:26.030 conservatives specifically, 01:46:26.410 --> 01:46:31.390 went and shopped for certain jurisdictions that would go and like look at certain 01:46:31.390 --> 01:46:35.810 cases and issue this kind of injunction because they would find one friendly 01:46:35.810 --> 01:46:39.410 jurisdiction that would take it and they would always go there. 01:46:39.410 --> 01:46:43.710 In Texas, there was one specifically that was famous for basically taking a 01:46:43.710 --> 01:46:47.750 lot of these cases, and they would wind up blocking a lot of actions like on 01:46:47.750 --> 01:46:53.030 student debt and a whole bunch of stuff or whatever using this tool, okay? 01:46:53.210 --> 01:46:58.670 And it was very, I mean, it was very obstructive, okay? 01:46:59.310 --> 01:47:02.370 I don't and so I found it 01:47:02.370 --> 01:47:05.490 that you know I remember that one of the things that kept one 01:47:05.490 --> 01:47:08.850 of the changes that happened during time was that 01:47:08.850 --> 01:47:12.650 it was making it more difficult for people to shop jurisdictions that could 01:47:12.650 --> 01:47:17.850 give those injunctions okay for a while because those injunctions were very 01:47:17.850 --> 01:47:23.790 they were happening by some low-level court on some fucking case where all of 01:47:23.790 --> 01:47:28.570 a sudden presidential you know any policy could get blocked real quickly okay. 01:47:29.570 --> 01:47:35.670 And so now, of course, Trump is the one that goes, challenges it. 01:47:35.830 --> 01:47:38.830 Well, no, just to be clear, this had been- Challenging the policy. 01:47:39.150 --> 01:47:43.430 No, no, but just to be clear, nationwide injunctions had been challenged before 01:47:43.430 --> 01:47:48.770 by Biden most recently, but the Supreme Court declined to do anything about 01:47:48.770 --> 01:47:49.930 it while Biden was president. 01:47:50.370 --> 01:47:52.610 Right. And now they did it when Trump was president. 01:47:53.070 --> 01:47:53.230 Yeah. 01:47:54.030 --> 01:48:01.250 And so the thing is that in a vacuum, This had been something that, yeah, 01:48:02.380 --> 01:48:05.400 Democrats had challenged repeatedly over had failed. 01:48:05.440 --> 01:48:10.720 And now the thing is that's annoying is that it happened now in this way. 01:48:10.820 --> 01:48:16.260 So in a vacuum, it's, you know, I'm like, okay, this kind of makes sense. 01:48:16.380 --> 01:48:20.700 But in terms, in practical terms, what it's what you said, they declined to 01:48:20.700 --> 01:48:25.780 hear it when Biden was president, and then Trump is president. 01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:28.620 And then all of a sudden, oh, yeah, you're right. This shouldn't happen. 01:48:29.040 --> 01:48:36.680 So here's the thing. A lot of these can go through as class actions instead. 01:48:37.080 --> 01:48:39.380 And so that's already happened in the birthright citizenship. 01:48:39.380 --> 01:48:39.800 That's already happened. 01:48:40.120 --> 01:48:45.340 There have been several cases already filed just within the first 48 hours, right? 01:48:45.660 --> 01:48:45.920 Right. 01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:49.840 To do this as a class action instead. um but 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:52.760 this affects potentially all kinds of policies of 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:55.520 all different sorts that some of them are 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.880 maybe more amenable to class actions than others right 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:05.360 and so where what we end up in is potentially a situation because what they 01:49:05.360 --> 01:49:12.360 said specifically is you can enjoin an action but only in respect to the specific 01:49:12.360 --> 01:49:17.460 plaintiffs that have a complaint at a given time right now if you have a natural class, 01:49:17.480 --> 01:49:19.780 then, oh, okay, we'll do a class action lawsuit. 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:24.260 And then if we get an injunction, it'll be against the whole class. Right. 01:49:24.500 --> 01:49:24.680 Right. 01:49:25.280 --> 01:49:32.340 But in cases where it's harder to clearly identify who will be affected as a class, 01:49:32.400 --> 01:49:40.800 what it essentially ends up being is that until or unless you actually sue and 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:43.700 get an injunction individually, one by one. 01:49:44.420 --> 01:49:49.980 your rights can't be respected. Yes, exactly. Because what we've said here is 01:49:49.980 --> 01:49:56.380 the court can't just say, this law fundamentally violates people's rights. 01:49:56.980 --> 01:50:02.420 So nobody can act on this law until it finishes going through the legal process. 01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:05.980 And by the way, even with all of these other injunctions, of course, 01:50:06.240 --> 01:50:09.560 typically speaking, they would make their way up through the courts and they 01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:13.580 would eventually get resolved one way or another. The injunction was until it 01:50:13.580 --> 01:50:14.960 could be resolved in that way. 01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:24.140 But in this case, it's potentially saying like the birthright citizenship case can be done as a class. 01:50:24.240 --> 01:50:28.940 So it may not be the best example, but let me use it as an example for simplicity. 01:50:28.940 --> 01:50:34.900 What it would be saying right now is that Trump's policy of saying, 01:50:35.120 --> 01:50:38.820 you are not a citizen just because you were born here. 01:50:39.080 --> 01:50:43.380 You have to have had parents that were born here in certain circumstances, 01:50:43.620 --> 01:50:44.600 blah, blah, blah, as well. 01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:48.040 You couldn't have been under certain visas. You couldn't have been here illegally. 01:50:48.260 --> 01:50:53.000 All of the things he's trying to put in there. you couldn't just say, 01:50:53.220 --> 01:50:56.800 no, no, no, until that's all legally resolved by the Supreme Court, 01:50:57.060 --> 01:51:00.540 you guys are, you still have all your full citizenship rights. 01:51:00.940 --> 01:51:05.900 Instead, you could say, none of these people have citizenship rights unless 01:51:05.900 --> 01:51:10.800 they sue for them and win the first round in court to get an injunction. 01:51:11.620 --> 01:51:21.060 And so what some of the dissents from the liberals said is basically this automatically says, essentially. 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:29.580 That the government can violate rights left and right unless you are savvy enough 01:51:29.580 --> 01:51:35.900 to get a lawyer, you can afford to get a lawyer, and it can be a good lawyer who gets you in. 01:51:36.120 --> 01:51:41.740 Like, the default is, you know, government decides to start violating some rights, 01:51:41.860 --> 01:51:44.680 they get to do so in total or in less. 01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:49.820 And so it just puts a lot more power on the government. And you're absolutely 01:51:49.820 --> 01:51:53.240 right. both Democrats and Republicans, assuming we have a Democratic president 01:51:53.240 --> 01:51:56.980 again sometime in the future, it puts a lot more power in the executive. 01:51:57.460 --> 01:52:06.300 And this is in complete keeping with this court's general philosophy of expansive executive power. 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:12.120 They are reducing the power of the courts. They are reducing the power of Congress. 01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:18.200 Generally speaking, they, well, with a few notable exceptions, 01:52:18.200 --> 01:52:20.440 But they, generally speaking, 01:52:21.140 --> 01:52:28.480 believe that, yes, the president should hold very, very strong powers to be 01:52:28.480 --> 01:52:32.120 able to do a lot of things unsupervised and without checks and balances. 01:52:32.540 --> 01:52:33.040 Yep. 01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:39.420 You know, fundamentally, like, back when I was listening to Schoolhouse Rock, 01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:41.680 it seemed like, you know, 01:52:42.620 --> 01:52:46.240 checks and balances were the entire fucking point of the Constitution, 01:52:46.240 --> 01:52:52.960 you know, is to make things hard, to make sure you didn't have concentration. 01:52:53.220 --> 01:52:57.420 Well, but let's be clear about this. The biggest problem here has been, 01:52:57.600 --> 01:53:03.020 like, over time, the fucking Congress has abdicated their fault. 01:53:03.040 --> 01:53:04.080 And now the courts are too. 01:53:04.160 --> 01:53:05.760 Grisbop. Well... 01:53:07.100 --> 01:53:12.240 To a certain extent, yes, the courts have said, well, we shouldn't have jurisdiction on it. 01:53:12.460 --> 01:53:15.900 And Congress, you know, has basically washed our hands and said, 01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:17.880 you know, it's not our thing. 01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:22.780 And look, this has been a continuous trend since the country was founded. 01:53:23.380 --> 01:53:27.200 Slowly but surely, more and more power has gone to the executive. 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:33.760 It's just with, you know, some ups and downs along the way. But if you compare to, you know, 01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:38.680 the amount of power George Washington had to the amount of power Donald Trump 01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:45.540 is accumulating and look at the trend in between, it's gone one way, basically. 01:53:46.040 --> 01:53:49.120 The president accumulating more and more power over time. 01:53:49.340 --> 01:53:52.240 Well, we had a minor blip. 01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:54.540 We've had a few blips along the way. 01:53:54.700 --> 01:53:55.820 We've had a few blips. 01:53:56.340 --> 01:53:58.040 But the overall trend is not. 01:53:58.140 --> 01:54:02.200 We had two blips. I think FDR had a pushback. Well, think about, 01:54:02.300 --> 01:54:06.060 for example, how we had the amendment limiting presidential terms to two. 01:54:06.240 --> 01:54:06.820 After he died. 01:54:07.200 --> 01:54:08.980 After, yeah, after he died. But yeah. 01:54:09.380 --> 01:54:11.740 There wasn't any pushback while he was alive. 01:54:11.940 --> 01:54:17.620 But hey, it happened. Okay. All right. So, you know, so you had that and then Watergate. 01:54:18.340 --> 01:54:18.720 Yeah. 01:54:18.820 --> 01:54:25.800 I do think it's like everything, man. I don't know. I have to believe the pendulum will be a pushback. 01:54:26.020 --> 01:54:26.120 Pendulums. 01:54:26.120 --> 01:54:26.300 Yeah. 01:54:26.860 --> 01:54:27.200 Pendulums. 01:54:27.260 --> 01:54:30.400 There's going to be a pushback against. this because it's 01:54:30.400 --> 01:54:33.520 just you know it's just ridiculous i mean at 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:38.260 some point you're gonna get another speaker at a house that's more tippo neil 01:54:38.260 --> 01:54:42.620 less this loser that we've got right now what's his name you know johnson whatever 01:54:42.620 --> 01:54:47.260 johnson whatever fucking name and i'm supposed to know his name i he's so forgettable 01:54:47.260 --> 01:54:50.660 you know we'll get some guy but he's lost it we. 01:54:50.660 --> 01:54:52.340 All thought he would be gone much much. 01:54:52.340 --> 01:54:56.660 Sooner listen i gotta give him credit for survival but i also think it's it's 01:54:56.660 --> 01:55:01.100 i I also believe that part of it has to do with the fact that nobody wants the fucking job. 01:55:02.350 --> 01:55:06.550 Because I've seen this happen before, like in companies, where all of a sudden, 01:55:06.750 --> 01:55:09.010 so how did this guy get to have ESV paid? 01:55:09.230 --> 01:55:13.070 It's like, well, nobody really wanted that fucking job. 01:55:13.970 --> 01:55:22.310 Yeah. Anyway, the SCOTUS stuff ties back into the optimism and pessimism we started the show with. 01:55:22.530 --> 01:55:29.790 Because this is one of the things where even if, you know, we end up in 2029 01:55:29.790 --> 01:55:31.710 with a democratic trifecta. 01:55:31.710 --> 01:55:34.790 They take the presidency, they take the Senate, they take the House, 01:55:35.110 --> 01:55:40.810 which, you know, look, if Donald Trump keeps screwing things up and makes things 01:55:40.810 --> 01:55:43.290 worse, then that's the natural reaction to that, right? 01:55:43.790 --> 01:55:49.870 But even if we have that, it's still going to be a long time before the balance in SCOTUS changes, 01:55:50.130 --> 01:55:57.450 unless you have a Democratic Congress and president who's actually willing to 01:55:57.450 --> 01:56:02.830 reform the court, which we did not have. Last time around. 01:56:03.310 --> 01:56:07.630 No, but I got to tell you something. Whoever is a Democrat wins. 01:56:08.750 --> 01:56:12.330 I foresee far more... Momdami? 01:56:13.150 --> 01:56:13.630 Momdami. 01:56:14.310 --> 01:56:14.790 Momdami? 01:56:15.550 --> 01:56:16.030 Yes. 01:56:16.150 --> 01:56:16.530 For sure. 01:56:16.830 --> 01:56:17.030 Yes. 01:56:17.530 --> 01:56:21.910 And look, I'm not going to... I'll say this again because I love Joe. 01:56:22.130 --> 01:56:23.550 I think Joe had a good idea. 01:56:23.790 --> 01:56:29.190 His idea of what he wanted is an idea that, I mean, in a vacuum appealed to me. 01:56:29.190 --> 01:56:30.970 Going back to, like. 01:56:31.750 --> 01:56:35.610 Decades-old Republicans and Democrats working together. That appealed to me. 01:56:35.650 --> 01:56:36.050 Blah, blah, blah. 01:56:36.290 --> 01:56:39.430 But unfortunately, the reality wasn't that. 01:56:40.030 --> 01:56:45.310 Well, and I think that's one of the things we have to see is how all of this 01:56:45.310 --> 01:56:51.910 plays out between establishment Democrats and the new wave as it is. 01:56:52.050 --> 01:56:53.870 At this point, I'm rooting for the new wave. 01:56:54.710 --> 01:56:58.870 I'm rooting for the new wave. I'm new wave. Fuck this shit. 01:56:59.530 --> 01:57:01.090 Don't have what it takes. 01:57:01.750 --> 01:57:02.990 Catch the wave. Coke. 01:57:04.330 --> 01:57:05.250 Coke. Yes. 01:57:06.030 --> 01:57:08.390 Oh, no, it's not. That's not the wave we're talking about. 01:57:09.310 --> 01:57:09.730 Catch the wave. 01:57:09.790 --> 01:57:11.890 That's Coke. That was the slogan for Coke for a while. 01:57:11.950 --> 01:57:12.490 Oh, that's right. 01:57:12.710 --> 01:57:13.110 Catch the wave, Coke. 01:57:13.110 --> 01:57:16.550 It was. It was. But Pepsi's got the little wave on their bottles, 01:57:16.590 --> 01:57:20.450 too. The little ball. The little ball has a wave in the middle. 01:57:20.590 --> 01:57:21.890 You're like a yin-yang ball, isn't it? 01:57:22.090 --> 01:57:27.470 Sort of. But yes, Coke has the wave. Like, yes. Yes. 01:57:28.330 --> 01:57:37.510 Anyway, yeah, I feel like the Supreme Court is one of the reasons why the damage 01:57:37.510 --> 01:57:42.670 from Trump, both terms, I think has a lifespan of many decades. 01:57:43.170 --> 01:57:49.990 Not something that gets flipped right away. Hillary's emails, man. Come on. Oh, my God. 01:57:50.330 --> 01:57:50.610 Yes. 01:57:50.910 --> 01:57:51.990 They're fucking emails. 01:57:52.930 --> 01:57:53.890 I mean. 01:57:53.970 --> 01:57:56.050 In an unsecure server. Yes. 01:57:56.910 --> 01:57:58.630 You know, those recipes. 01:57:58.850 --> 01:57:59.190 Sam. 01:58:00.350 --> 01:58:07.050 Yes. Even after like after the 2016 election, I said it would be take decades 01:58:07.050 --> 01:58:10.650 to recover this, recover from one term of Donald Trump. 01:58:10.970 --> 01:58:15.030 Hell, even before the election, I said even the fact that he was the nominee 01:58:15.030 --> 01:58:19.630 would take a long time to recover from, even if he lost in 2016. 01:58:20.630 --> 01:58:25.150 I think the fact that not only did he win, but then he won again, 01:58:25.350 --> 01:58:31.310 admittedly after a break, but he won again after January 6th, 01:58:31.610 --> 01:58:34.430 after a completely disastrous first term. 01:58:34.630 --> 01:58:40.430 He still won again. And, you know, the damage that we are going to see over 01:58:40.430 --> 01:58:42.150 this is going to last a long time. 01:58:42.150 --> 01:58:45.930 I hope your optimistic view is right and that, 01:58:46.230 --> 01:58:57.170 you know, we get a lot of dramatic change to undo this stuff quickly once he's no longer in power, 01:58:57.270 --> 01:59:01.370 but I'm not sure. 01:59:01.370 --> 01:59:05.450 I think it's going to take a lot longer than that because we also have to remember 01:59:05.450 --> 01:59:10.210 that what he's stirred up is not just him anymore. You know, 01:59:10.550 --> 01:59:12.870 it is an entire movement. 01:59:12.970 --> 01:59:17.010 It is more than half of the voters. 01:59:18.870 --> 01:59:22.430 I'm not going to say they wanted this because there were a lot of ignorant people 01:59:22.430 --> 01:59:25.130 who at this point are being like, I didn't vote for that. 01:59:26.290 --> 01:59:31.330 But I do think that, OK, I know that there is a lot of it tied to that, 01:59:31.410 --> 01:59:36.230 but I think that there is a significant, significant portion that is just a cult of Trump. 01:59:36.230 --> 01:59:40.330 And so that's one of the things about getting rid of Trump, that despite the 01:59:40.330 --> 01:59:44.390 fact that I know that it is a big movement, it's a cult. 01:59:44.690 --> 01:59:46.690 It's a cult of the person. 01:59:47.130 --> 01:59:52.270 Yeah. Listen, so far, nobody else in MAGA has shown like Vance. 01:59:52.770 --> 01:59:53.290 No. 01:59:54.710 --> 01:59:58.070 I mean, and I know he's been pumping up like Trump Jr. 01:59:58.310 --> 02:00:05.890 or something. But really, you know, nobody else on that side has yet to show 02:00:05.890 --> 02:00:14.590 a lot of strong signs of being able to be the natural air to pick up in the same way as Donald has. 02:00:15.190 --> 02:00:20.050 And so we'll see. You're right. Lots of times when these personality driven 02:00:20.050 --> 02:00:26.890 movements have the leader die or otherwise move off the stage, 02:00:27.070 --> 02:00:30.050 they fall apart. cross my fingers. 02:00:30.470 --> 02:00:34.590 Okay, I need to stop for one second. An alarm is going off. I don't know what the hell's going on. 02:00:35.590 --> 02:00:37.910 We need to wrap this up. I don't know. Quickly. Two seconds. 02:00:38.150 --> 02:00:39.770 I don't have time for this. 02:00:40.070 --> 02:00:44.970 I hear you. Okay. Well, that's about it. 02:00:45.430 --> 02:00:49.490 Yeah. Well, as usual, we'll see how the future plays out. Like we don't get 02:00:49.490 --> 02:00:52.730 to actually skip ahead years like you suggested at the beginning. 02:00:54.370 --> 02:00:57.290 Anyway, curmudgeons-corner.com. You know where to find us. 02:00:57.810 --> 02:01:01.370 All the ways to contact us. Again, if you are interested in the Curmudgeons 02:01:01.370 --> 02:01:05.270 Corner meetup on Wednesday, July 2nd. 02:01:05.670 --> 02:01:09.810 Contact us in any of those ways there. Let us know, and we will let you know 02:01:09.810 --> 02:01:12.290 the exact place and time as soon as we know it. 02:01:13.250 --> 02:01:16.570 And, you know, just give us feedback anyway. Tell us what you think of the show. 02:01:16.990 --> 02:01:19.750 Also on there, you can find our transcripts, all of that. 02:01:20.270 --> 02:01:25.630 Archive of old shows. You can, what? 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We'll let you know where we're meeting. 02:02:34.090 --> 02:02:36.890 It'd be great to see you and talk to you in person. 02:02:37.690 --> 02:02:45.170 Other than that, hey, everybody, have a great week. Have a fun time. Do good things. 02:02:46.090 --> 02:02:51.790 All that goody, goody gumdrop stuff. Gumdrop stuff. 02:02:53.510 --> 02:02:57.930 Anyway, have a great week. We'll talk to you next time. Hopefully we'll see 02:02:57.930 --> 02:03:00.050 some of you in person between now and then. 02:03:00.610 --> 02:03:03.630 And We'll see you on the next show. Goodbye. 02:03:04.770 --> 02:03:09.810 Hey, forgot the outro. Here we go. Once again, goodbye. 02:03:41.810 --> 02:03:48.590 Test one, two, three. Okay, folks, for anybody wondering after Yvonne disappeared so abruptly, 02:03:48.890 --> 02:03:54.970 what had happened was his son was opening or closing a window or something, bumped into it wrong, 02:03:55.190 --> 02:04:01.350 set off the alarm, and Yvonne tried to turn it off and struggled with it, 02:04:01.430 --> 02:04:04.650 eventually got the sound off, but was still worried that it was going to call 02:04:04.650 --> 02:04:08.230 the police because that's what alarm systems do. 02:04:08.230 --> 02:04:12.690 and the mechanism that was on the alarm had gotten knocked out of position or 02:04:12.690 --> 02:04:13.790 something, something, something. 02:04:14.190 --> 02:04:20.570 Anyway, he eventually got it all fixed. He texted me later, reported all is good, all is fine. 02:04:20.970 --> 02:04:23.310 But yeah, he had to run. 02:04:24.110 --> 02:04:29.570 Anyway, goodbye for real. Wait, let me try that again. Goodbye for real.