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<v Sam>Hello, this is Sam from the Future. We recorded this show Friday night, U.S. time.

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<v Sam>That would be Friday, June 19th? No, no, 20th.

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<v Sam>Friday, June 20th is when we recorded this show.

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<v Sam>And, well, before I got it out, there were a few news developments.

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<v Sam>Specifically, during this show, we talked a little bit about Donald Trump's

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<v Sam>statement that he was going to wait a couple weeks, potentially to figure out

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<v Sam>what to do about Iran and how, generally speaking,

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<v Sam>he has used this two-week time frame many, many times before to avoid making decisions.

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<v Sam>Well, Saturday we actually attacked Iran.

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<v Sam>Now, one report had it that, well, there was an angry call between Trump and

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<v Sam>Netanyahu and where Netanyahu said, we're not going to wait two weeks.

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<v Sam>We are going to attack ourselves if you don't do it yourself.

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<v Sam>If the U.S. doesn't do it, we will, basically.

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<v Sam>And shortly after Donald Trump did the attack, which would sort of fit with

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<v Sam>what we also talked about on this show about, you know, he's always influenced

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<v Sam>by the last person who talks to him.

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<v Sam>However, there has also been reporting that the two-week thing this time around

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<v Sam>was completely a ruse, that the decision had already been made,

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<v Sam>that things were already underway.

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<v Sam>Given how this administration is known for truth-telling, I'm not sure I know what to believe.

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<v Sam>I mean, fundamentally, they had already reported that the plans were made.

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<v Sam>Everything was ready to go and was just waiting on a final decision from Donald

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<v Sam>Trump to basically hit the go button.

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<v Sam>So I wouldn't be surprised if they're just trying to finagle the language to

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<v Sam>make it seem like Donald Trump wasn't flip-flopping all over the place on this thing.

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<v Sam>But on the other hand, who knows? Like, all of the players involved here are

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<v Sam>not particularly known for truth-telling.

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<v Sam>anyway there's a discussion later

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<v Sam>on in the show well in the show proper about about all of the iranian developments

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<v Sam>and about the two weeks that as i just said ended up not happening and various

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<v Sam>other things now that the attack has happened.

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<v Sam>We'll see how things develop. It is still unclear, as I am recording this on Sunday evening U.S.

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<v Sam>time on the 22nd, you know, how effective the attack was, what was actually

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<v Sam>destroyed, what was not.

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<v Sam>There's one thing the Americans are saying, there's one thing the Iranians are

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<v Sam>saying, and again, we have no actors on this stage that are known for their truth-telling.

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<v Sam>So until or unless there's independent verification of something, who the hell knows?

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<v Sam>And of course, Iran is threatening retaliation. They're saying they're closing

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<v Sam>the Straits of Hormuz, all kinds of things.

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<v Sam>And so, whereas the U.S. administration seems to be saying, you know what?

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<v Sam>It's a one and done. We did this.

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<v Sam>Hopefully now there'll be peace. We shall see.

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<v Sam>Anyway, I will start the actual show we recorded in just a moment.

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<v Sam>I did have one other thing to say.

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<v Sam>For any of our listeners in the greater Seattle metropolitan area.

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<v Sam>Yvonne's going to be in town June 30th through...

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<v Sam>I guess he's coming in late on the 29th and leaving on the 3rd,

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<v Sam>but basically the 30th, the 1st, and the 2nd, he's going to be around.

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<v Sam>And we're talking about doing a curmudgeon's Corner meetup.

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<v Sam>Those of you who are on the Slack regularly may already know about this because

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<v Sam>we're discussing it there.

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<v Sam>But for those of you who aren't on the Slack, if you are interested,

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<v Sam>most likely, although nothing's final, final, final yet,

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<v Sam>most likely we will do some sort of meetup the evening of Wednesday,

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<v Sam>July 2nd in Seattle somewhere.

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<v Sam>If you are interested in joining us, please go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

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<v Sam>All of the ways to contact us are listed there.

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<v Sam>Email, Facebook, Mastodon, right.

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<v Sam>But email us or whatever and let us know you're interested and we will put you

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<v Sam>on the list and make sure to let you know exactly where and when and all of

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<v Sam>that kind of stuff once that's decided.

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<v Sam>So if you are a regular listener and in the Seattle area let us know we'd love

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<v Sam>to we'd love to have you meet us and meet you if we haven't met you before and

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<v Sam>all of that i guess that's it i guess now that i've like spoken for a long time.

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<v Sam>We can start the actual show here we go,

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner. It's Saturday, July 21st, 2025.

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<v Sam>Just after two UTCs, we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter. Yvonne Bo is here.

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<v Sam>Hello, Yvonne. Welcome back.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Are you excited to be back? Did you miss me last week?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Ivan>I don't understand what is it that you had going on I mean I you know the the

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<v Ivan>it wound up that okay I could only do Thursday right you couldn't do it yeah.

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<v Sam>You could do Thursday or Saturday I could only do Friday.

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<v Ivan>So right no I couldn't do Saturday either but I could do Thursday but you couldn't

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<v Ivan>do right but you couldn't do Friday you know you could only do Friday I.

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<v Sam>Couldn't do thursday yeah i could only do friday and so we had ed you.

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<v Ivan>Know that.

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<v Sam>That was that was good ed ed uh ed was here ed had a good time we had a good time it was good.

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<v Ivan>No but what did you have on thursday do you have another one of these do you

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<v Ivan>have to show your face at some event again or something the.

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<v Sam>Family went to a movie.

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<v Ivan>Oh okay which yeah well.

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<v Sam>I'm not going to talk about this today but we went.

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<v Ivan>To the live action How.

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<v Sam>To Train Your Dragon, the live action version.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, you don't have to do a review.

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<v Sam>I'm just wondering. And we went on opening day.

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<v Ivan>Oh.

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<v Sam>Like we were making a point of going on opening day.

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<v Ivan>You did the opening day.

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<v Sam>We did not wear costumes, though.

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<v Ivan>Ah, that's good.

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<v Sam>Well, we probably should have. It would have been good. You know, we could have.

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<v Ivan>Like... You know, dress up as a dragon?

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<v Sam>Or a viking. Or both.

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<v Ivan>Viking.

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<v Sam>You know?

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>But no, I will save a full review for when we do that in order,

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<v Sam>but my short thumbs up, very thumbs up, it was a big thumbs up for the original animated version,

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<v Sam>but also a big thumbs up for the live action version.

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<v Sam>Okay, that's good. it was a good remake

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<v Sam>but you know speaking of speaking of

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<v Sam>movies though i i i told ed last week i had calculated that at the rate i am

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<v Sam>watching these things and finishing things i will never catch up if i only mention

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<v Sam>one a week so i have to do two so when it gets to be my part of the But first,

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<v Sam>I will do two movies.

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<v Sam>But, you know, I was going to say I'll bring back the timer for that.

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<v Sam>But I forgot to, like, bring the timer into the room.

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<v Ivan>I have a timer here.

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<v Sam>Well, then you can be the one to, like, buzz me out.

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<v Ivan>Hold on.

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<v Sam>I mean, I've got multiple timers. I just don't have them within arm's reach of where I am right now.

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<v Ivan>Right here, which is one that you sent me. It's right here.

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<v Sam>Oh, yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed that particular timer, but Alex broke it.

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<v Ivan>You know, I have now, after I was with a colleague from work this week,

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<v Ivan>who has been at the company only one year, also has a MacBook Pro.

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<v Ivan>And they explained to me how they've already broken the keyboard. And I'm like, how?

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<v Sam>Well, as you know, I already broke my screen and had to have it fixed under AppleCare already.

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<v Sam>It's less than...

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<v Ivan>No, it's about a year old now.

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<v Sam>It's about a year old. I mean, they had about six months in, I broke the screen.

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<v Ivan>So, so apparently the way that they did it was, you know, okay.

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<v Ivan>So they, they're in sales just like me. We have a, you know, similar role.

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<v Ivan>They just cover a different, you know, thing.

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<v Ivan>But, but, you know, we're, you know, we're, I have the same manager and I guess,

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<v Ivan>you know, they're travel, whatever.

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<v Ivan>You know, as you know, I'm, I'm a neat freak. Okay.

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<v Sam>Yes. Yes, you are.

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<v Ivan>All right.

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<v Sam>That's a fact.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Well, neither is she. And as maybe she's not like, I've been to her house.

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<v Ivan>I, listen, this is a crazier part of the story.

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<v Ivan>Look, I went to her house because one day we were supposed to meet for dinner.

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<v Ivan>My boss was in town there. We're supposed to meet for dinner.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>She's a single mom. Okay. Her son was at the house. She was alone at the house.

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<v Ivan>She was just going to meet us.

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<v Ivan>Called her on the phone. Hey, what time are we meeting? And something didn't sound right.

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<v Ivan>Honestly, she sounded delirious. Okay?

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<v Sam>That's not good. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, she sounded...

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<v Ivan>As something told me, and I've only met her for like six months,

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<v Ivan>but something sounded way off, beyond the norm.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And she lives in Puerto Rico. And I'm like, okay, are you okay? And she was incoherent.

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<v Ivan>I had her home address. I said, I'm going to your house right now.

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<v Ivan>I found her delirious on the bed. She really had no clue.

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<v Ivan>She had been vomiting nonstop.

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<v Ivan>And she, and I'm like, you know, look, I'm, you know, much faster was me calling

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<v Ivan>an ambulance, whatever shit show. I'm like, look, here, come on.

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<v Ivan>I'm taking you to the hospital. I loaded up in the car.

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<v Ivan>And so I took her to the hospital and not sure what virus she had.

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<v Ivan>But what happened is that with her fever and whatever, she got super dehydrated

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<v Ivan>and was just, you know, she was just, she just wasn't.

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<v Ivan>she doesn't even remember that I went and I got her out of her room and took

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<v Ivan>her to the car. You had no idea.

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<v Ivan>That's how bad she had been. So I've been to her house. So she's not as messy

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<v Ivan>as you, but she's not as a compulsive neat freak as I am. Okay? Alright?

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<v Ivan>That's a reality, but her place is pretty decently clean. Okay?

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<v Ivan>But it's not like me. So, I don't know.

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<v Ivan>You know, she's traveling. You eat, like you buy a Starbucks or whatever.

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<v Ivan>Bah, bah, bah. She's working on the keyboard she got the keyboard really dirty okay oh yeah i.

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<v Sam>Remember we're now back to the broken computer.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so so i've forgotten what the destination of all that

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<v Ivan>explaining that what that i know that she's i've been to your house i've been

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<v Ivan>to her house i know she's not as clean freak as i am but she's she's cleaner

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<v Ivan>than you she's in the middle of but she's in the middle of uh of us okay in

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<v Ivan>that range so she's probably.

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<v Sam>Right like at normal.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah she's like at normal okay she's

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<v Ivan>not at me level she's like nor you know yeah she's normal but

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<v Ivan>she's normal okay so she goes

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<v Ivan>and tells me well i decided i need to clean the keyboard because it was getting

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<v Ivan>kind of sticky okay right yeah so she she went and she pulled out all the keys

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<v Ivan>which i do not wreck okay once again i said what are you doing look i i this is not a good idea.

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<v Ivan>Do not pull out the fucking keys. Okay?

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<v Ivan>Just don't do that. Well, she managed to put them all back except one of the keys, which she broke.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yes.

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<v Ivan>All right? Which is what usually happens with pulling apart all the fucking keys.

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<v Ivan>It's just, you know, the standard thing.

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<v Ivan>So anyway, she broke the keyboard Okay? She broke the damn keyboard I just,

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<v Ivan>you know, look I urge people Listen, if you're going to clean the damn keyboard Okay?

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<v Ivan>Whatever you do Try to avoid Removing the keys Okay?

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<v Ivan>That always never works Out well It just, you know, one of them will never go back The way that,

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<v Ivan>It's supposed to it's just you know that that will it just so so avoid that

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<v Ivan>at all costs okay i you know the thing is she's had a one-year-old macbook she's

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<v Ivan>got a red keyboard mine is about to turn four years old,

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<v Ivan>you know it looks new you know

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<v Ivan>i i am i did i did uh uh you

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<v Ivan>know i i did i am getting a replacement this year

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<v Ivan>because apparently our life cycle is four years so i

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<v Ivan>i am kind of happy about about getting that because i still

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<v Ivan>have an intel macbook pro and you know

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<v Ivan>i i did i do want to get you know apple

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<v Ivan>silicon laptops especially since they're dropping support of a lot of those

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<v Ivan>now they're being pretty aggressive about you know fuck you know fuck this until

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<v Ivan>hardware we're not you know we're not gonna keep keep supporting any yeah we're

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<v Ivan>not we're not supporting this shit for well i'll.

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<v Sam>I'll tell you i'll tell you two things along your repair stories first of all

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<v Sam>i know the time i talked about it more extensively was when yvonne gpt was on

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<v Sam>the show like the reason i my screen on my laptop broke.

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<v Ivan>Is is.

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<v Sam>I closed it with a needle in there.

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<v Ivan>A needle?

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<v Sam>I don't know where the needle came from. I don't know, like...

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<v Ivan>What the fuck do you get a needle from? The hell? You don't sew?

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<v Ivan>What the hell do you get a needle?

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<v Sam>Well, and actually, it was more like... It was like the kind of straight pin. It wasn't a needle.

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<v Sam>It was like a straight pin of the kind that you pin... That come,

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<v Sam>like, when you buy a new dress shirt. And they come pinned together.

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<v Ivan>Okay. All right. So one of those dress pins. Okay. So one of those clothes.

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<v Sam>Now, of course...

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Sam>Of course, it had been, like... It's actually not that long since I'd bought

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<v Sam>one of those because I bought one like in January.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it may have been from that somehow.

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<v Sam>It may have been from that, but somehow it got in there.

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<v Sam>I closed the laptop with that like sitting on the keyboard or something and

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<v Sam>it hit the screen and it cracked.

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<v Sam>So that's how I broke my laptop keyboard and or not the keyboard,

00:15:26.010 --> 00:15:28.690
<v Sam>I screened. And luckily, Apple care.

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<v Sam>and and i will say the other thing is right before

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<v Sam>this show i i had for for

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<v Sam>the day i i i've been alex has been using my laptop while i'm away at work he's

00:15:43.090 --> 00:15:49.490
<v Sam>doing various projects on it so it had been downstairs well i i we had taken

00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:54.730
<v Sam>it away and i brought it back so i was setting it back up at my docked location.

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<v Sam>And even though I'm using it docked, I did open it up and I noticed it did have crumbs.

00:16:02.410 --> 00:16:07.090
<v Sam>There was like food stuck to the screen of some sort.

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<v Sam>So yes, this is the kind of thing that probably does not happen in your household.

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<v Ivan>Look, I will say that my, let me see, I'm trying to figure out how old these keyboards are.

00:16:21.830 --> 00:16:24.890
<v Ivan>Okay, they're both very old. Okay, let's see.

00:16:26.630 --> 00:16:31.030
<v Ivan>Yeah, they don't really have... They're a little bit... They...

00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:39.040
<v Ivan>These are got to be at least five years old, six, actually seven.

00:16:39.580 --> 00:16:40.940
<v Ivan>I don't think I've cleaned. And

00:16:40.940 --> 00:16:44.920
<v Ivan>also, I don't think I've cleaned them in a long time. And they're fine.

00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.380
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, I could stay on the cleaning, but it's not like it's not.

00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.520
<v Ivan>I'm not I'm not I'm not rushing to to get them cleaned at this point.

00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:55.840
<v Ivan>Also, another thing I discovered this week, aside from the fact that,

00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.400
<v Ivan>you know, a lot of people are clumsy with their computers.

00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:03.540
<v Ivan>A very interesting factoid. for whatever reason or scrolling through the TV

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<v Ivan>and Matlock was on TV the original.

00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:08.920
<v Sam>Or the new one.

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<v Ivan>The original because there is a new one,

00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:18.140
<v Ivan>because there is the new one and all of a sudden I saw that the original was

00:17:18.140 --> 00:17:24.620
<v Ivan>on TV and I was I had a very long week okay I must admit I started today I had an 8,

00:17:25.660 --> 00:17:31.380
<v Ivan>there's nothing worse than an 8am meeting and I had several of them this week. 8 a.m.

00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:32.080
<v Sam>Fucking meetings.

00:17:32.340 --> 00:17:34.520
<v Ivan>8 a.m. meetings are the worst.

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<v Sam>Definitely.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I'm just... You know, I do get to them functional, but it takes a Herculean effort.

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<v Sam>Herculean? Is that how you say it?

00:17:52.300 --> 00:17:55.240
<v Ivan>I think so. Hercules? Herculean?

00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:56.320
<v Sam>Herculean, maybe?

00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.420
<v Ivan>Herculean? Herculean?

00:17:59.780 --> 00:18:00.300
<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Herculean effort to be, you know, composed for a fucking meeting

00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:11.740
<v Ivan>to discuss the migration of a core banking application, you know,

00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:15.020
<v Ivan>and the necessary, you know.

00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:16.600
<v Sam>So scintillating conversation.

00:18:17.080 --> 00:18:23.160
<v Ivan>Yeah. Not exactly. Yeah. And complex, you know, because we're talking about, you know.

00:18:24.230 --> 00:18:28.870
<v Ivan>how much storage capacity and services and what things and, you know,

00:18:28.950 --> 00:18:32.950
<v Ivan>all the different subcomponents and stuff and security and shit.

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<v Ivan>So it's not, you know, this isn't some fluffy conversation. Okay. All right.

00:18:38.330 --> 00:18:44.150
<v Ivan>And so, damn it, I got to be this fucking call to talk about this at eight in the fucking morning.

00:18:44.590 --> 00:18:49.490
<v Ivan>And, you know, so the day at four o'clock, I was already kind of wiped out.

00:18:49.610 --> 00:18:52.990
<v Ivan>I decided to just lay down and watch some TV because we were going to go out

00:18:52.990 --> 00:18:56.310
<v Ivan>in there. So I go and I put on, put on Matlock and I'm looking at,

00:18:56.370 --> 00:18:58.150
<v Ivan>I'm looking at Andy Griffith. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Who's, who's Matlock and, uh, in the series.

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<v Ivan>The series was filmed. Filming began in 1985 around there.

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<v Ivan>I'm looking at how old is angry Griffith when he is on that show.

00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:14.150
<v Ivan>I don't know if you remember the image and I'll send you an image of how Andy

00:19:14.150 --> 00:19:17.890
<v Ivan>Griffith looked because I took a picture off the TV and, and I am like,

00:19:17.990 --> 00:19:23.010
<v Ivan>okay, so I mean, I'll send you the picture on your messages.

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<v Ivan>How old does that guy look to you in that picture? I just say,

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<v Ivan>I mean, what do you think?

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<v Sam>Well, we have to index for the 80s because people listen.

00:19:33.910 --> 00:19:36.030
<v Ivan>To just just whatever. I'm not. No, no, no.

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<v Sam>If this was today.

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<v Ivan>How old does that guy look to you?

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<v Sam>If I saw this person on the street today, I would guess early 70s.

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<v Ivan>Early 70s, right?

00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:52.090
<v Sam>But given this was the 1980s, I would guess he's younger than us.

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<v Ivan>He's not younger than us. Okay. He's not younger than us.

00:19:56.730 --> 00:19:57.430
<v Sam>So he's late 50s.

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<v Ivan>Yes. He's 59. So I sent this picture to my brother, my two brothers,

00:20:04.210 --> 00:20:07.890
<v Ivan>one who was already 60 and the other one who was about to turn 58 this week.

00:20:08.010 --> 00:20:11.130
<v Ivan>And I said, guys, okay, let me tell you something.

00:20:12.630 --> 00:20:19.670
<v Ivan>This, this guy here is your age. And they're both like, oh, what the fuck?

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<v Sam>Well, this is something that people have pointed out a lot when looking at media

00:20:25.090 --> 00:20:29.570
<v Sam>from decades ago, is that how, you know,

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<v Sam>if you compare a given age between TV shows in the 80s and how people look today,

00:20:37.490 --> 00:20:40.590
<v Sam>they look older, you know?

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<v Sam>And now I've seen a couple of people do experiments where they basically adapted,

00:20:51.610 --> 00:21:00.510
<v Sam>like they took what they look like now, but then did their hair and outfit and

00:21:00.510 --> 00:21:03.950
<v Sam>just styling in an 80s style.

00:21:03.950 --> 00:21:09.870
<v Sam>and they did instantly look older now be so part of it is just the cultural

00:21:09.870 --> 00:21:19.490
<v Sam>association of the time but there does seem to also just be a thing with and this depends highly on,

00:21:20.450 --> 00:21:27.130
<v Sam>where you are socioeconomically and all kinds of other issues but people being

00:21:27.130 --> 00:21:30.470
<v Sam>healthier longer and there is there are.

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<v Ivan>Two well there is a big factor that I know impacted a lot of those people,

00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:39.640
<v Ivan>in their 50s at that time. It was the smoking.

00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:42.160
<v Sam>Oh, yes. That was big.

00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:44.320
<v Ivan>The smoking was huge.

00:21:44.840 --> 00:21:49.860
<v Sam>And even for non-smokers, because it was freaking everywhere. You could not escape it.

00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.100
<v Ivan>You could not escape the smoking. The damn smoking.

00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:58.300
<v Ivan>Look, I mean, smoking aged people drastically, quickly.

00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:01.960
<v Ivan>Smoking has been shown to give people heart disease, high blood pressure,

00:22:02.120 --> 00:22:03.500
<v Ivan>all of these damn things.

00:22:03.620 --> 00:22:07.100
<v Ivan>And not just that, It made people's faces age.

00:22:07.560 --> 00:22:12.140
<v Ivan>I mean, it has been shown that people that were heavy smokers compared to the

00:22:12.140 --> 00:22:20.600
<v Ivan>other, you know, smoke, their faces would age so much, so drastically compared to non-smokers.

00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:26.320
<v Ivan>And that is just a factor. Look, I have a friend of mine that I knew over here

00:22:26.320 --> 00:22:29.640
<v Ivan>who smoked so much until his 50s.

00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.880
<v Ivan>And then he quit smoking. And I saw him three or four years later after he quit

00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.400
<v Ivan>smoking. and he hadn't smoked for three or four years, he looked like he had lost 10 years.

00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Ivan>He looked 10 years younger. It was crazy.

00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:46.820
<v Ivan>And I do think that one of the things that was such an impact to those people

00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:51.580
<v Ivan>at that time was how much smoking happened back then.

00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:56.800
<v Sam>Yeah, and I don't know exactly when the peak year was. Probably in the 70s, I would guess.

00:22:57.080 --> 00:22:57.960
<v Ivan>Yes, I think so.

00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:08.180
<v Sam>But the penetration of the percentage of the population that were regular smokers was insanely high.

00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:14.100
<v Sam>Like today it's unimaginable. I mean, people still smoke and people vape and

00:23:14.100 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Sam>people do other things and people smoke things other than tobacco.

00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:25.360
<v Sam>Yeah. So it's still out there by all means, but the percentage of people who don't,

00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:32.000
<v Sam>is higher, is, you know, most people don't anymore.

00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:35.080
<v Sam>And when they do, it's rarer, at least,

00:23:38.120 --> 00:23:42.180
<v Sam>within certain parts of the country, certain socioeconomic circles.

00:23:42.360 --> 00:23:46.680
<v Sam>Again, like if you go, this is one of those things where if you go to sort of

00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.740
<v Sam>the more blighted parts of the country,

00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:55.000
<v Sam>smoking rates are higher than they are in the richer parts as is drug use as

00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:00.960
<v Sam>is all kinds of things because you know for all kinds of reasons people turn

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.120
<v Sam>to substances when other things in their lives aren't going right so the peak.

00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:09.260
<v Ivan>For smoking was in the,

00:24:10.660 --> 00:24:19.020
<v Ivan>around the 50s, 60s where it was over 40 you know it actually spiked,

00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:25.560
<v Ivan>I see, from the 60s into the 70s into the mid 40s, okay?

00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:32.880
<v Ivan>And then it started coming down, down, down, down. Until now, it's 11%. Okay?

00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Ivan>So it's down like 80% from where it was. But the one thing that you mentioned,

00:24:38.580 --> 00:24:40.900
<v Ivan>you're right, because it wasn't just you smoking.

00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:44.080
<v Ivan>If you, listen, if you socialized, you went out, say

00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:47.340
<v Ivan>you only drank and you didn't smoke you

00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:50.440
<v Ivan>go out to a bar back then dude if

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:53.620
<v Ivan>you were going into a cigarette chamber okay yes

00:24:53.620 --> 00:24:56.580
<v Ivan>i mean i i would go out

00:24:56.580 --> 00:25:01.760
<v Ivan>in the 80s and i remember when i went to the places i mean everything i wore

00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Ivan>just even when i i didn't smoke reeks of cigarettes the moment i came i i came

00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.800
<v Ivan>home every night so yeah i mean you were in a in a cigarette chamber airplanes

00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:15.820
<v Ivan>for god's sakes they're smoking on the damn airplanes, smoke on the airplanes,

00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.240
<v Ivan>smoking at the offices, smoke.

00:25:18.280 --> 00:25:24.080
<v Ivan>I mean, I mean, hell on TV. I was watching some old Johnny Carson shows where

00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:26.340
<v Ivan>he was smoking. He was smoking in between.

00:25:26.560 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Ivan>Like, you know, he would go and like sneak off to the side to grab a puff from

00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.180
<v Ivan>a cigarette, you know, while he was recording the show live on TV.

00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:39.100
<v Ivan>So, yeah, I mean, he was, you know, that's how prevalent it was back then.

00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:44.060
<v Ivan>But yeah, I definitely, there is definitely,

00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:50.940
<v Ivan>I have no doubt that that is one of the biggest reasons why people are around

00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:54.280
<v Ivan>50 years now look so much younger than they did back then.

00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.680
<v Sam>Well, and like you said, even the 11% is...

00:25:59.470 --> 00:26:04.270
<v Sam>Unless you are one of the 11%, it's less visible, too.

00:26:04.530 --> 00:26:05.190
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah.

00:26:05.650 --> 00:26:10.310
<v Sam>I mean, even now compared to 10 years ago,

00:26:10.690 --> 00:26:16.710
<v Sam>like, I remember 10 years ago when I was coming in and out of buildings at work,

00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:20.890
<v Sam>there'd still be, like, you know, several people sitting there smoking near

00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:21.930
<v Sam>the entrance somewhere.

00:26:22.030 --> 00:26:25.090
<v Ivan>Right. Now they won't even allow them near the entrance anymore. Yeah.

00:26:25.230 --> 00:26:25.430
<v Sam>Right.

00:26:25.510 --> 00:26:26.450
<v Ivan>You're, like, banished.

00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:35.230
<v Sam>Yeah. So like, you know, I, you don't just notice the presence all the time,

00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:37.870
<v Sam>unless you're one of the ones doing it yourself.

00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:41.110
<v Sam>I mean, I'm not going to say I haven't seen people smoking.

00:26:41.290 --> 00:26:48.390
<v Sam>I have within, you know, even at work, I saw someone smoking a cigarette and

00:26:48.390 --> 00:26:51.050
<v Sam>tossing it out before going in the building within the last week.

00:26:51.530 --> 00:26:54.430
<v Sam>But it's rare. It's much rarer.

00:26:54.430 --> 00:26:57.550
<v Ivan>It used to be when I when I worked at an office in the late 90s,

00:26:57.650 --> 00:27:03.530
<v Ivan>early 2000s, I mean, there was an entire I mean, I literally I had all these

00:27:03.530 --> 00:27:05.990
<v Ivan>managers of smoke. I would go, OK, let's go.

00:27:06.150 --> 00:27:11.630
<v Ivan>You know, we I mean, we were just a whole bunch of people outside standing, you know, smoking.

00:27:11.810 --> 00:27:16.410
<v Ivan>I wasn't one of the smokers, but I had I work with two people directly most

00:27:16.410 --> 00:27:17.810
<v Ivan>of the time. Both of them smoked.

00:27:18.330 --> 00:27:21.130
<v Ivan>So I'm like, OK, I'm going to go outside with you to have a chit chat.

00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:25.750
<v Ivan>I'm like, whatever, at least we're outside. I'm not inside a room like locked in, like sucking this.

00:27:25.870 --> 00:27:28.770
<v Ivan>But yeah, you know, but that was like a typical thing.

00:27:29.550 --> 00:27:34.250
<v Sam>Right. Yeah, no, definitely. I think that's part of it. And like I said,

00:27:34.330 --> 00:27:35.690
<v Sam>though, there are other factors, too.

00:27:36.010 --> 00:27:41.210
<v Sam>Like somebody like I keep going back to this experiment somebody did where they

00:27:41.210 --> 00:27:45.470
<v Sam>they, you know, they were pointing out the like there's a picture of like the

00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:47.870
<v Sam>golden girls or whatever with their ages next to it.

00:27:47.890 --> 00:27:52.410
<v Sam>Like they're they're all in their 50s, except one who was actually in their 40s.

00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:55.950
<v Sam>you know um and jesus

00:27:55.950 --> 00:27:58.870
<v Sam>christ and and and you know that whole

00:27:58.870 --> 00:28:03.070
<v Sam>show was about them being old and over the hill and like right yeah whatever

00:28:03.070 --> 00:28:12.190
<v Sam>but you know basically this person who was the same age just dressed up like

00:28:12.190 --> 00:28:18.430
<v Sam>older like dressed in the style of that they dressed in that show Oh,

00:28:18.550 --> 00:28:23.110
<v Sam>and yeah, they instantly look 10, 15 years older just from changing how they

00:28:23.110 --> 00:28:24.450
<v Sam>dressed and how they did their hair.

00:28:24.870 --> 00:28:28.310
<v Sam>You know, well, look, I mean, but I think you're absolutely right.

00:28:29.070 --> 00:28:32.830
<v Ivan>You know, we got the Brimley cocoon line that we've talked about.

00:28:33.010 --> 00:28:33.150
<v Sam>Right.

00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:37.190
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, look, Wolfram Brimley, for whatever reason,

00:28:37.450 --> 00:28:42.850
<v Ivan>you know, was a he when he was in cocoon.

00:28:42.850 --> 00:28:46.150
<v Ivan>how old was he 52 i think it was i

00:28:46.150 --> 00:28:49.290
<v Ivan>look uh looking up the age hold on

00:28:49.290 --> 00:28:54.610
<v Ivan>wilford brimley age oh

00:28:54.610 --> 00:28:57.650
<v Ivan>shit okay he was 49 when he

00:28:57.650 --> 00:29:02.250
<v Ivan>was cast sappy was 50 okay

00:29:02.250 --> 00:29:13.630
<v Ivan>turning 50 during the filming i mean holy shit yes it's 49 years old holy shit

00:29:13.630 --> 00:29:21.870
<v Ivan>man they lived a hard life back then let me tell you holy shit wow yes.

00:29:21.870 --> 00:29:24.150
<v Sam>Anyway shall we move on.

00:29:24.150 --> 00:29:31.710
<v Ivan>Yeah you know if any of you can't I can't notice that I'm stalling talking about

00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:38.470
<v Ivan>potential World War III or other stuff or whatever, you know, chaos and whatever.

00:29:38.470 --> 00:29:41.830
<v Ivan>It's just because I gotta be honest with you, I'm exhausted.

00:29:42.590 --> 00:29:45.630
<v Sam>Well, I got two movies and you've got the timer in front of you.

00:29:45.730 --> 00:29:47.510
<v Sam>How much time are you going to give for each movie?

00:29:47.770 --> 00:29:48.930
<v Ivan>All right. Ten minutes.

00:29:49.310 --> 00:29:50.310
<v Sam>Ten minutes each?

00:29:51.010 --> 00:29:51.150
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:29:51.330 --> 00:29:53.350
<v Sam>Or ten minutes total? Okay. Okay.

00:29:53.390 --> 00:29:55.690
<v Ivan>I'll give you 15 minutes total. Okay. All right.

00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:58.150
<v Sam>Here we go. No, give me, so seven and a half.

00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:00.710
<v Ivan>I'll give you like seven and a half. Okay. So I'll go, I'll,

00:30:00.710 --> 00:30:02.290
<v Ivan>I'll make the seven and a half.

00:30:02.830 --> 00:30:07.450
<v Ivan>All right. And, uh, I think we're good. I think we're good. Yeah. Time. Yeah. I hear it.

00:30:07.990 --> 00:30:14.630
<v Sam>Okay. Number one, which I watched on September 15th of last year, Godfather part three.

00:30:15.260 --> 00:30:18.380
<v Ivan>Ah, the most hated one.

00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:25.560
<v Sam>Except, I must say, it is hard to actually find the original Godfather Part

00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:30.260
<v Sam>3 now, because they put out Godfather Coda, which was...

00:30:30.260 --> 00:30:34.180
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, it was a big... Yeah, I know.

00:30:34.580 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Sam>They basically re-edited it.

00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Sam>So Godfather Coda is the one I actually saw, which was released in 2020.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Sam>Okay. Um, so I'll say like, so apparently there were, there's like three different versions.

00:30:50.080 --> 00:30:54.360
<v Sam>There's the original like theatrical release, which was when,

00:30:54.500 --> 00:31:02.380
<v Sam>on 1990, there was a director's cut or quote, final director's cut from 1991.

00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Sam>And then Godfather Coda was in 2020.

00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Sam>And it says the Wikipedia summary of the Coda one is for the film's 30th anniversary,

00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:17.740
<v Sam>recut titled The Godfather Coda, The Death of Michael Corleone,

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.140
<v Sam>received a limited theatrical release, followed by digital and home releases.

00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:27.280
<v Sam>This version includes changes to the beginning and ending and some edited scenes

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:31.060
<v Sam>and musical cues as a runtime of 158 minutes.

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:36.140
<v Sam>He has said that the 2020 recut is the one that he and Puzo originally envisioned

00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Sam>and that it vindicates its status

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.760
<v Sam>in the Godfather trilogy as well as his daughter Sophia's performance.

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.260
<v Sam>Both Pacino and Keaton gave their approval to the new cut, noting it is an improvement

00:31:47.260 --> 00:31:48.980
<v Sam>over the original theatrical release.

00:31:49.340 --> 00:31:53.620
<v Sam>So I have not seen the originals. I've only seen the Coda version.

00:31:55.460 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Sam>And I know that this, as you alluded to, people sort of hated it compared to the others.

00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:07.840
<v Sam>I thought it was fine. I give it a thumbs up. I liked it, you know,

00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Sam>fine. And it was, you know, it was, it was nominated, not the Coda version,

00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:15.660
<v Sam>but the original was nominated for best picture.

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.380
<v Sam>You know, it was a, you know, it was a good movie, you know?

00:32:19.620 --> 00:32:23.460
<v Ivan>I thought so too. I listened. I thought that the original version without that,

00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:26.220
<v Ivan>that re-edited, I've watched both, was good too.

00:32:26.600 --> 00:32:34.600
<v Ivan>I think the people, I, a lot of the shit that Coppola got was about this daughter being in the movie.

00:32:35.020 --> 00:32:35.520
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

00:32:36.540 --> 00:32:39.900
<v Ivan>I thought she did fine and she's shown herself to be actually be a very good,

00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Ivan>director in her own completely standing on her own so she's shown herself that

00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.840
<v Ivan>she's not she's not a hack yeah,

00:32:48.610 --> 00:32:52.750
<v Ivan>Some people criticized Andy Garcia on the movie, which I actually thought he

00:32:52.750 --> 00:32:55.610
<v Ivan>did a really good job in the movie.

00:32:56.310 --> 00:32:58.510
<v Sam>I'm not going to remember who is who, but yeah.

00:32:59.110 --> 00:33:04.050
<v Ivan>He is, what's his name, Corleone's nephew, the one that married,

00:33:04.370 --> 00:33:07.770
<v Ivan>the one that wound up to marry his daughter.

00:33:08.790 --> 00:33:13.630
<v Sam>So just to hit it real quick before we run out of time, plot-wise,

00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:18.030
<v Sam>this is the last of the three Godfather movies. Apparently, they had thought

00:33:18.030 --> 00:33:20.490
<v Sam>about a sequel, but Godfather 4 never happened.

00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:22.810
<v Sam>There was a book that came out of that.

00:33:23.330 --> 00:33:29.550
<v Sam>But, you know, and it basically, like with, they did some of this in the other

00:33:29.550 --> 00:33:32.110
<v Sam>movies too, but it's the later,

00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:38.830
<v Sam>older Michael Corleone, but with lots of flashbacks to the past as well.

00:33:38.830 --> 00:33:39.310
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:45.370
<v Sam>You know, going back to when his family was still in Italy, when they first

00:33:45.370 --> 00:33:46.950
<v Sam>came over to the States, et cetera.

00:33:47.650 --> 00:33:54.070
<v Sam>And this one has like a whole part of the plot about, you know,

00:33:54.590 --> 00:33:58.610
<v Sam>interfering with papal succession, you know, as well.

00:33:58.610 --> 00:34:02.370
<v Ivan>Which, by the way, here's the interesting thing about that part.

00:34:02.730 --> 00:34:03.250
<v Sam>Yes.

00:34:03.770 --> 00:34:09.530
<v Ivan>Very similar to what happened recently, some of the events, okay, specifically.

00:34:09.810 --> 00:34:10.530
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:18.090
<v Ivan>Specifically related to financial fraud in the immobiliaria, the company,

00:34:18.390 --> 00:34:24.690
<v Ivan>you know, this holding that the Vatican has, where there was one person that

00:34:24.690 --> 00:34:31.450
<v Ivan>recently the Pope wrote that he removed precisely for that, okay,

00:34:32.050 --> 00:34:34.030
<v Ivan>before he died, okay?

00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:40.930
<v Ivan>So I was like, whoa, what the hell? This is, you know, what I heard about that happening.

00:34:41.630 --> 00:34:51.470
<v Sam>Well, this also just in the movie, too, it's also inspired by real events from earlier, too.

00:34:51.850 --> 00:34:56.350
<v Sam>There was conspiracy around the death of Pope John Paul I.

00:34:56.470 --> 00:34:56.790
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:34:56.890 --> 00:35:00.050
<v Sam>You remember, only lasted like a month in office. A month.

00:35:00.450 --> 00:35:02.190
<v Ivan>Yes. And there was a conspiracy that he was murdered.

00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:04.230
<v Sam>And there was a banking scandal there, too.

00:35:04.330 --> 00:35:05.850
<v Ivan>And there was a banking scandal, yes.

00:35:06.430 --> 00:35:11.190
<v Sam>And so, yeah. Anyway, I liked the movie. I enjoyed it.

00:35:11.290 --> 00:35:15.590
<v Sam>I understand they changed a few things around. And I remember,

00:35:15.870 --> 00:35:20.090
<v Sam>after watching it, reading a little bit about the specific changes they made.

00:35:20.970 --> 00:35:26.930
<v Sam>But, you know, which I guess were to try to clarify some things and to,

00:35:26.930 --> 00:35:33.690
<v Sam>you know, slightly change the nature of the very ending, which I won't give away, but you know,

00:35:34.300 --> 00:35:40.820
<v Sam>I liked all three movies, to be honest. Like, you know, I enjoyed the whole series.

00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:46.040
<v Sam>Alex watched them with me. He did not enjoy them so much. But, you know, whatever.

00:35:46.420 --> 00:35:54.160
<v Sam>I thought they were good. I enjoyed them. They deserve their reputation as an

00:35:54.160 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Sam>important film series that, you know, now if I had to pick, like,

00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Sam>you know, would three be my number one?

00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.800
<v Sam>not probably not but i i thought they were a

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.420
<v Sam>good trilogy it it's fine as a series like

00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Sam>you know you know there's some

00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.540
<v Sam>where you feel like okay they're just milking it they're just milking it like

00:36:17.540 --> 00:36:22.600
<v Sam>you mentioned a few weeks ago like fast and furious 27 or whatever the hell

00:36:22.600 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Sam>they're on now and they're i i going into space and stuff you know but yeah

00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.980
<v Sam>you know we we didn't have like.

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Ivan>Oh i don't think they.

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Sam>Probably did.

00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.420
<v Ivan>Go into space right yeah.

00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:37.260
<v Sam>Godfather three did not involve any

00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:42.700
<v Sam>involve anybody going to space or you know on to the ocean gate submersible

00:36:42.700 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Sam>or anything like that you know you know but you know it was uh but yeah no enjoyable

00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.860
<v Sam>trilogy is my seven and a half minutes up i'm like vamping a little bit you're.

00:36:54.860 --> 00:36:56.600
<v Ivan>Like you're have a minute left.

00:36:57.200 --> 00:37:02.060
<v Sam>I have a minute left. So anything else to say?

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:07.420
<v Sam>I mean, I don't know. Like, I enjoyed it. It was a long time ago.

00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.460
<v Ivan>So I don't remember all the details. If we don't have, let's go to the next

00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:11.020
<v Ivan>one. We'll save some time, and we'll go, you know, that way.

00:37:11.180 --> 00:37:14.240
<v Ivan>Okay, so let's go to the next one. I'll give you the seven and a half minutes back.

00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:17.260
<v Ivan>We're back here. Okay, so let's go to the next one. Okay.

00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:22.020
<v Sam>Okay, the next one. Watched on September 19th, 2024, just a few days later.

00:37:22.600 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Sam>The Princess and the Frog from 2010. it's a Disney animated thing,

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:36.620
<v Sam>I'm giving it another thumbs up I really enjoyed it it's from 2009 it was,

00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:44.860
<v Sam>set in New Orleans in the 1920s there's a waitress who wants to someday own

00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Sam>a restaurant and you may guess from the title The Princess and the Frog she

00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.940
<v Sam>meets a you know, she meets a frog,

00:37:54.580 --> 00:37:59.740
<v Sam>who actually in fact was a prince who was turned into a frog by some magical spell,

00:38:00.540 --> 00:38:04.120
<v Sam>and and adventures ensue and uh

00:38:04.120 --> 00:38:10.120
<v Sam>it's a musical a few songs a few good songs it it tugs at your heartstrings

00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:16.700
<v Sam>at all the right times you know there's a there's a scene where you know no

00:38:16.700 --> 00:38:20.860
<v Sam>spoilers but something happens to a character and you like you want to cry it's

00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:23.080
<v Sam>all emotional and And, you know,

00:38:23.580 --> 00:38:26.560
<v Sam>there's, you know, look, it's a Disney cartoon.

00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.520
<v Sam>So it's all the things you would expect of that.

00:38:31.560 --> 00:38:36.700
<v Sam>It's emotional at the right times. There's sort of adventure sequences. There's comedy.

00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:42.520
<v Sam>It's a fun movie. It's just plain fun movie.

00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:48.980
<v Sam>It won. Did it win or was just nominated? It was nominated for Best Animated Feature that year.

00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:57.290
<v Sam>Big thumbs up. I enjoyed it. And it is one of those things that it's a family

00:38:57.290 --> 00:38:58.870
<v Sam>movie, not a kid's movie.

00:38:59.010 --> 00:39:02.030
<v Sam>So, you know, that you really do have the two types.

00:39:02.150 --> 00:39:06.430
<v Sam>Sometimes you have movies that are really, really aimed at like younger kids

00:39:06.430 --> 00:39:11.330
<v Sam>of a certain age and adults have, you know, sort of suffer through it.

00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:16.210
<v Sam>This is one that's good for the whole family as, as most Disney movies are,

00:39:16.210 --> 00:39:22.070
<v Sam>you know and yeah like i'm not gonna have a lot i'm not gonna use the whole

00:39:22.070 --> 00:39:27.190
<v Sam>seven and a half minutes of on this one either have you seen this one no i haven't

00:39:27.190 --> 00:39:30.170
<v Sam>seen it it's it's worth seeing,

00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:34.790
<v Sam>and it you know and like i said it's good for adults but like if you have kids

00:39:34.790 --> 00:39:40.910
<v Sam>kids will like the movie too you know it's and it was also i should say it was

00:39:40.910 --> 00:39:49.830
<v Sam>well known this was the first disney princess who was black and so at the time oh my god yeah.

00:39:49.830 --> 00:39:51.290
<v Ivan>I'm just jeez yeah.

00:39:51.290 --> 00:39:56.970
<v Sam>You know i mean it was 2009 it was you know it's about freaking time you know

00:39:56.970 --> 00:40:02.790
<v Sam>disney had been around a while by 2009 you know but you know but you know still

00:40:02.790 --> 00:40:07.090
<v Sam>this is the kind of thing that you know how even today you had obama and you had.

00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:08.930
<v Ivan>A black princess i mean jesus christ,

00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:11.190
<v Ivan>You know, now you know what we have, MAGA.

00:40:11.630 --> 00:40:16.250
<v Sam>I mean, even now, I mentioned I saw the live-action How to Train Your Dragon.

00:40:16.490 --> 00:40:23.650
<v Sam>There was controversy because the female lead in Animated was like,

00:40:23.750 --> 00:40:26.490
<v Sam>you know, a blonde Viking, right?

00:40:26.670 --> 00:40:32.150
<v Sam>But they cast a black actress in that role for the live-action remake.

00:40:32.690 --> 00:40:36.390
<v Sam>And so there was a lot of controversy when they first announced that casting.

00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:42.470
<v Sam>She was excellent, by the way. She did a great job. She inhabited the character.

00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:50.290
<v Sam>It went, you know, anybody who's bitching about it, there is absolutely no reason other than racism.

00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:55.970
<v Sam>You know, it's, and yeah, but that's, that was like the cast,

00:40:56.250 --> 00:40:59.930
<v Sam>the movie came out this year, but the casting was announced like a year ago or more.

00:40:59.930 --> 00:41:02.930
<v Sam>and there were people complaining about it the whole

00:41:02.930 --> 00:41:06.050
<v Sam>you know oh they're going woke and

00:41:06.050 --> 00:41:09.050
<v Sam>blah blah blah oh give me a fucking break you know

00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:17.910
<v Sam>it's and like princess and the frog by the way you know is also like you know

00:41:17.910 --> 00:41:27.110
<v Sam>it leans into sort of new orleans culture and the fact that she's black is relevant to that,

00:41:27.410 --> 00:41:33.670
<v Sam>you know, you know, in the 1920s and, you know, the, the sort of dynamics of

00:41:33.670 --> 00:41:35.970
<v Sam>1920s, Louisiana and such.

00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:38.890
<v Sam>And it would, the movie would have a different character if she wasn't,

00:41:38.990 --> 00:41:45.290
<v Sam>you know, and, but whereas the, the, the dragon movie, it really didn't make

00:41:45.290 --> 00:41:49.790
<v Sam>any difference, but there were all kinds of people going, you can't do that. Vikings were white.

00:41:52.090 --> 00:41:56.450
<v Sam>And you know the straight up answer to that in a movie like How to Train Your

00:41:56.450 --> 00:41:58.950
<v Sam>Dragon is you know what else?

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:06.750
<v Sam>talking about a movie with a fucking dragon exactly Vikings didn't ride dragons either Jesus.

00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:08.390
<v Ivan>Fucking Christ you idiots,

00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:11.650
<v Ivan>God almighty.

00:42:12.450 --> 00:42:13.930
<v Sam>Yeah. So.

00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:19.370
<v Ivan>Oh, we need the historical accuracy for a movie that involves a fucking dragon.

00:42:22.570 --> 00:42:23.070
<v Sam>Yes.

00:42:27.570 --> 00:42:30.090
<v Sam>Yes. Okay.

00:42:30.290 --> 00:42:34.190
<v Ivan>I'm checking my list. So we got two minutes on this. I'm checking my list of

00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:36.610
<v Ivan>Fast and the Furious movies. Okay.

00:42:36.790 --> 00:42:39.550
<v Sam>You did talk about this only a few weeks ago, but go ahead.

00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:45.010
<v Ivan>Yes, but I'm looking through the list, okay? By the way, they didn't go to space, okay?

00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:46.130
<v Sam>Let me correct that.

00:42:46.330 --> 00:42:52.330
<v Ivan>I exaggerated a little bit about that. They did go to Japan. One thing I can see.

00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:54.250
<v Sam>Well, that's like space, isn't it?

00:42:54.530 --> 00:43:00.470
<v Ivan>I mean, kind of. I mean, if you've been to Tokyo, it looks like you're out of space, you know?

00:43:00.990 --> 00:43:04.790
<v Ivan>So it's very modern. So let's see. So the first one we'll call it.

00:43:04.790 --> 00:43:07.330
<v Sam>But look, James Bond went to space decades ago.

00:43:07.330 --> 00:43:12.330
<v Ivan>J-Spot was to space multiple times. Okay, Moonraker, okay, you know,

00:43:12.430 --> 00:43:16.530
<v Ivan>where they did the whole thing where apparently you could launch a shuttle attached

00:43:16.530 --> 00:43:21.870
<v Ivan>to the 747, which is completely, you know, had a lot of holes in the plot.

00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:25.630
<v Sam>But still, anyway, Fast and Furious did not go to that.

00:43:25.630 --> 00:43:29.210
<v Ivan>The first one was the Fast and the Furious.

00:43:29.330 --> 00:43:29.690
<v Sam>Right, right.

00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:31.850
<v Ivan>Okay, the. It's important.

00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:32.510
<v Sam>The, yes.

00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:36.290
<v Ivan>Because the second one was too fast and too furious. then

00:43:36.290 --> 00:43:39.790
<v Ivan>you had the Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift and

00:43:39.790 --> 00:43:46.830
<v Ivan>then you had Fast and Furious not the Fast and Furious oh right this is why

00:43:46.830 --> 00:43:50.590
<v Ivan>I made sure to mention that there was a the Fast and Furious and then there

00:43:50.590 --> 00:43:59.130
<v Ivan>was a Fast and Furious okay no the okay very important then you went into Fast 5,

00:43:59.870 --> 00:44:08.530
<v Ivan>then you went into Fast and Furious 6 then you went into Furious 7 get rid of

00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:12.530
<v Ivan>the fast timer went off, there you go so,

00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:21.870
<v Ivan>the fate of the Furious not faster anymore then we simplified it to F9 sounds

00:44:21.870 --> 00:44:30.390
<v Ivan>like a jet fighter craft at this point and then you went to Fast X which sounds like an iPhone and.

00:44:30.390 --> 00:44:33.110
<v Sam>There was a spinoff called Hobbs and Shaw.

00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:34.810
<v Ivan>Hobbs and Shaw, yes,

00:44:35.680 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Ivan>And they've got a plan for Fast X Part 2.

00:44:40.200 --> 00:44:40.240
<v Sam>Yes.

00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Ivan>Okay. And then you've got another one that they think Fast and the Furious presents Hobbs and Reyes.

00:44:47.620 --> 00:44:50.560
<v Ivan>Not Hobbs and Shaw. Not sure who Reyes is.

00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.220
<v Ivan>And then the other ones have no name. But they have two more.

00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:56.900
<v Ivan>One that says Untitled Standalone Film.

00:44:57.560 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Ivan>Untitled Female Led Spinoff. I mean, I'm not...

00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Sam>And as I scroll down the Wikipedia page, there are two short films as well.

00:45:06.040 --> 00:45:09.900
<v Ivan>They're short films, yes. The Turbo Charge.

00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:15.700
<v Sam>And a TV show. And a TV show. The Spy Racers on Netflix.

00:45:16.240 --> 00:45:17.900
<v Ivan>And six seasons.

00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Sam>Yes.

00:45:19.540 --> 00:45:22.300
<v Ivan>I mean, I got to say, man, let me tell you something.

00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:30.100
<v Ivan>I got to give good credit to Vin Diesel for milking the shit out of a mediocre movie.

00:45:30.100 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Ivan>and making it a gravy train that, by the way, I'll give credit to Vin Diesel

00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Ivan>for being a stand-up guy because when Paul Walker died, he basically still kept

00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.340
<v Ivan>taking care of his daughter,

00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.740
<v Ivan>gave him money, walking down the aisle.

00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:49.620
<v Ivan>So, you know, knowing that his death, he actually took care of,

00:45:49.660 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Ivan>you know, one of his co-stars, so I'll give him credit for that.

00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:57.640
<v Ivan>But this guy milked, I mean, this is 30 years of milking, you know,

00:45:58.340 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Ivan>this. I mean, this makes like Tom Cruise with the Mission Impossible movies

00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.060
<v Ivan>seem like just, you know, he's a rookie.

00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:08.380
<v Ivan>I mean, this is serious milking here. Okay.

00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:10.580
<v Sam>And by the way, the TV series is animated.

00:46:11.060 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Ivan>Oh, the TV series is animated. Oh, there you go.

00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Sam>But apparently.

00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:22.340
<v Ivan>And there's also, listen, there's also a very shitty ride. Okay. Which I went on.

00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.200
<v Ivan>I went on when I went to Los Angeles a couple of years ago.

00:46:26.200 --> 00:46:33.040
<v Ivan>they have a ride at universal studios okay as well which i thought was ridiculously

00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Ivan>stupid okay but i got on it it's there so they've got a ride at the universal

00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.380
<v Ivan>studios hollywood i think they also have the same one in.

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:48.140
<v Sam>Florida oh i i have to correct myself though i i started to say that the animated

00:46:48.140 --> 00:46:52.820
<v Sam>series has a lot of the same voices no it only has vin diesel and some cameos

00:46:52.820 --> 00:46:55.860
<v Sam>otherwise not so yeah oh well so.

00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:59.560
<v Ivan>The ride is called fast and furious supercharged.

00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:02.260
<v Sam>Okay i mean

00:47:02.260 --> 00:47:06.080
<v Sam>so shall shall we go ahead and take a break and then get to world war three

00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Sam>and everything else that we need to talk about yeah okay um yeah okay here here

00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.560
<v Sam>comes a break and then we will,

00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:22.940
<v Sam>talk about the more serious things going on in the world.

00:47:23.120 --> 00:47:26.780
<v Sam>And actually, there's too many serious things going on in the world.

00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:31.080
<v Sam>We probably won't get to all of them. But here we go.

00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:36.020
<v Sam>Okay, so we're back. Now, I had mentioned there was a lot going on,

00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Sam>and we'll only talk about some of them.

00:49:37.700 --> 00:49:42.680
<v Sam>So let me list the list real quick, because some of these don't even feel like

00:49:42.680 --> 00:49:43.640
<v Sam>they were still this week.

00:49:44.100 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Sam>We had the Minnesota lawmaker shootings, the state reps.

00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:53.100
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ, that was still this week? That was this week?

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Sam>Yeah, that happened last Saturday, which was after Ed and I recorded the last show.

00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:02.020
<v Sam>We had the No Kings rallies. We had Trump's parade.

00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Sam>We had the New York comptroller, who's also running for mayor,

00:50:07.300 --> 00:50:11.520
<v Sam>arrested, trying to do some, you know, on immigration stuff.

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:15.100
<v Sam>We, of course, have Iran that I'm sure we're going to talk about.

00:50:15.100 --> 00:50:21.600
<v Sam>we had the supreme court make a significant decision on trans rights and the

00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Sam>other things sort of fall into that category wait.

00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Ivan>What was okay what was the decision on trans rights i don't remember this one now which one.

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:35.640
<v Sam>The supreme court let stand uh states who have outlawed um gender affirming

00:50:35.640 --> 00:50:42.380
<v Sam>surgery for for minors right yeah so and and that affects approximately half

00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Sam>the country And so, you know, basically,

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:50.540
<v Sam>if you're a trans kid in those states, you're out of luck right now,

00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:56.740
<v Sam>unless your parents are wealthy enough to, you know, take you to a different

00:50:56.740 --> 00:50:57.720
<v Sam>state for your treatments.

00:50:58.540 --> 00:51:01.300
<v Sam>So that went on i will say on the

00:51:01.300 --> 00:51:04.340
<v Sam>no kings thing i'd mentioned last week

00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:07.140
<v Sam>both ed and i talked about how the fact we intended to go

00:51:07.140 --> 00:51:14.680
<v Sam>to these things i did go and i will say it was it was it was good like i went

00:51:14.680 --> 00:51:20.040
<v Sam>in everett washington and you know ed and i talked about like one of the reasons

00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:25.300
<v Sam>for things like this is not necessarily that you expect,

00:51:25.600 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Sam>oh my God, Donald Trump will see all these rallies and change things.

00:51:30.060 --> 00:51:35.780
<v Sam>And no, that's not it. But it's when you go to them, the sense of,

00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:38.380
<v Sam>you know, no, you're not alone.

00:51:38.600 --> 00:51:45.720
<v Sam>A lot of people also feel this way. A lot of people are upset by this.

00:51:46.020 --> 00:51:51.020
<v Sam>And to sort of get that validation and to feel like, you know,

00:51:51.100 --> 00:51:53.560
<v Sam>especially right now when, you know,

00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:58.260
<v Sam>all of the institutions are going the other direction, you know,

00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Sam>the presidency, the court, the Congress, et cetera.

00:52:01.600 --> 00:52:05.640
<v Sam>And we have things like the Supreme Court decision, you know.

00:52:06.470 --> 00:52:12.550
<v Sam>Being in a place where you are surrounded by like-minded people who are being

00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:17.030
<v Sam>loud and vocal, and you can see that there are actually a lot of them.

00:52:17.770 --> 00:52:22.530
<v Sam>Nationwide, I think the estimates ended up at five or six million people nationwide

00:52:22.530 --> 00:52:25.370
<v Sam>participated in these things. I saw some estimates.

00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:28.970
<v Ivan>Basically, as many people that went to the parade in Washington, right?

00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:34.570
<v Sam>Just a tad more. But yeah, I've seen some estimates that were even higher,

00:52:34.750 --> 00:52:37.350
<v Sam>but the most credible estimates were five to six million.

00:52:38.350 --> 00:52:41.910
<v Sam>And, you know, like when I was in Everett, Washington, you know,

00:52:41.990 --> 00:52:44.050
<v Sam>there were big crowds. There was a little rally.

00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:50.030
<v Sam>And then there was like a couple hours of sign waving along one of the main drags through town.

00:52:50.030 --> 00:52:56.270
<v Sam>And the thing that got me the most and honestly had me like tearing up at certain

00:52:56.270 --> 00:52:59.110
<v Sam>points were that, you know,

00:52:59.790 --> 00:53:05.090
<v Sam>almost the entire time where people were sand, sand, sand, sign waving,

00:53:05.350 --> 00:53:08.910
<v Sam>the, the road was still open. This wasn't a parade.

00:53:09.070 --> 00:53:12.370
<v Sam>This was just people lining the sidewalks with their signs.

00:53:12.370 --> 00:53:15.870
<v Sam>So there was still traffic going down the street. and

00:53:15.870 --> 00:53:19.030
<v Sam>there was almost non-stop the

00:53:19.030 --> 00:53:22.130
<v Sam>entire time people honking in support

00:53:22.130 --> 00:53:27.710
<v Sam>and waving out their windows as they drove by whereas like i've been to i've

00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:33.110
<v Sam>been to sign wavings before for like candidates like both for my wife and for

00:53:33.110 --> 00:53:37.610
<v Sam>other local candidates where you know you're just sitting on a corner waving

00:53:37.610 --> 00:53:41.590
<v Sam>the sign for your candidate or whatever and yeah you get some supporting honks,

00:53:41.650 --> 00:53:44.950
<v Sam>but you also get people, well, no, you get a few,

00:53:45.230 --> 00:53:49.790
<v Sam>but, but you also get people giving you the finger and yelling out the window.

00:53:50.250 --> 00:53:55.850
<v Sam>There was none of that going on. And maybe they were just intimidated by the large crowd.

00:53:56.890 --> 00:53:58.430
<v Sam>And exactly good.

00:53:58.730 --> 00:54:04.170
<v Ivan>You know, I, I, I, you know, I want to go back to the time where fucking racist

00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:06.350
<v Ivan>people were intimidated into not being racist.

00:54:07.290 --> 00:54:07.570
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:54:07.790 --> 00:54:11.810
<v Ivan>Can we go back to that time? You remember the good old days?

00:54:11.970 --> 00:54:12.330
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

00:54:12.330 --> 00:54:14.050
<v Ivan>When they were scared of being fucking racist?

00:54:14.550 --> 00:54:18.610
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. But like, no, it was just very heartening to like,

00:54:18.990 --> 00:54:22.790
<v Sam>you know, we spent probably an hour walking down the street because there was

00:54:22.790 --> 00:54:28.350
<v Sam>like a like a mile where people were lining the streets and we walked down one side and up the other.

00:54:28.350 --> 00:54:36.270
<v Sam>And, you know, during that time, you know, I mean, just all the energy that

00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:39.410
<v Sam>was there was just very heartening and invigorating.

00:54:39.750 --> 00:54:43.690
<v Sam>And, you know, it's like, yeah, let's go.

00:54:43.690 --> 00:54:49.050
<v Sam>And I've seen some things afterwards, you know, we've criticized like,

00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:55.070
<v Sam>you know, Democratic leadership before for not having this kind of energy.

00:54:55.390 --> 00:55:00.090
<v Sam>And there were a lot of Democratic leaders who sort of stayed away from these things.

00:55:00.330 --> 00:55:04.310
<v Sam>And, you know, with notable exceptions, the usual notable exceptions.

00:55:04.310 --> 00:55:08.290
<v Sam>but it's like, come on folks, harness this energy.

00:55:08.590 --> 00:55:12.430
<v Sam>Like, let's go, let's show some vigor, show some fight.

00:55:12.750 --> 00:55:20.050
<v Sam>And, uh, cause there are clearly lots of people that are just ready for that

00:55:20.050 --> 00:55:26.890
<v Sam>and want to want an outlet for all this energy and want leaders that also show

00:55:26.890 --> 00:55:31.450
<v Sam>the same kind of energy as opposed to sort of just,

00:55:32.490 --> 00:55:33.270
<v Sam>what we're getting.

00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:41.190
<v Sam>So, again, with notable exceptions. Okay, that was all I had to say.

00:55:41.290 --> 00:55:44.670
<v Sam>The other things that I listed that were not particularly newsy,

00:55:44.770 --> 00:55:49.510
<v Sam>I've mentioned on the show my little Tempest game machine that has been in a

00:55:49.510 --> 00:55:53.430
<v Sam>box for months, or not months, years.

00:55:53.430 --> 00:55:53.710
<v Ivan>Years.

00:55:54.050 --> 00:55:59.910
<v Sam>Years and years. My son Alex arranged for me to get it for Christmas like three

00:55:59.910 --> 00:56:04.530
<v Sam>years ago or something. I opened the box once, saw it looked complicated to

00:56:04.530 --> 00:56:06.630
<v Sam>put together, put it back in the box.

00:56:06.850 --> 00:56:10.850
<v Sam>And ever since then, I've been begging my family every birthday,

00:56:11.150 --> 00:56:15.970
<v Sam>every Christmas, every Father's Day, can you please put this together for me?

00:56:16.110 --> 00:56:19.450
<v Sam>Because it stressed me out when I even looked at it.

00:56:19.890 --> 00:56:25.150
<v Ivan>Yeah, you would be no good at assembling. Because I assembled it and I...

00:56:25.150 --> 00:56:25.630
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:56:26.310 --> 00:56:28.470
<v Ivan>You would not be the right person to do it.

00:56:28.470 --> 00:56:32.550
<v Sam>I have assembled other things, and I hate assembling things,

00:56:32.610 --> 00:56:35.010
<v Sam>and it stresses me out, even when it's simple.

00:56:35.290 --> 00:56:39.070
<v Sam>I opened this box, and it didn't look simple. No, this is not simple.

00:56:39.390 --> 00:56:43.910
<v Sam>I was like, screw that. I'm not doing it. So Alex and my wife,

00:56:43.990 --> 00:56:48.630
<v Sam>Brandy, together put this thing together for this fall. Together, together, together.

00:56:49.110 --> 00:56:54.430
<v Sam>Put it, assembled it for this Father's Day. I've been playing it. It comes with 12 games.

00:56:54.550 --> 00:56:58.310
<v Sam>I've now played 11 of them. I've said nobody else is allowed to play it until

00:56:58.310 --> 00:57:01.730
<v Sam>I play the first game on each one of the games. I've got one more to do.

00:57:02.850 --> 00:57:05.670
<v Sam>But I've been enjoying it. I've been playing every day.

00:57:06.670 --> 00:57:09.530
<v Ivan>I like ours. We don't have the Tempest one.

00:57:09.990 --> 00:57:15.370
<v Ivan>I got the Ms. Pac-Man one. It's got about a dozen games. No, we've got Galaga.

00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:19.810
<v Sam>It's got... No, and I must say, the reason... Dig Dug.

00:57:20.350 --> 00:57:25.290
<v Sam>The reason Alex got this for me is I had said before, from that era of games,

00:57:25.470 --> 00:57:26.490
<v Sam>Tempest was my favorite.

00:57:26.810 --> 00:57:28.050
<v Ivan>I, I, I, I.

00:57:28.050 --> 00:57:33.190
<v Sam>I like, that's why I have this one. And, and I have, I have played the,

00:57:33.190 --> 00:57:35.810
<v Sam>I have played the others on this console.

00:57:35.970 --> 00:57:40.010
<v Sam>It's got like Centipede and Millipede and those are, and like Missile Command

00:57:40.010 --> 00:57:41.490
<v Sam>and a few other things like that.

00:57:41.610 --> 00:57:43.130
<v Ivan>Ah, Missile Command. Yes.

00:57:43.290 --> 00:57:48.470
<v Sam>And, and, you know, those are fun. Those are okay. But I must say Tempest is, is my go-to.

00:57:49.010 --> 00:57:52.770
<v Sam>And like, I've played Tempest clones elsewhere.

00:57:53.410 --> 00:58:00.210
<v Sam>But this has the proper spinny wheel control and like, it's not the same game.

00:58:00.430 --> 00:58:02.990
<v Sam>If you're trying to do it with an Xbox controller or something.

00:58:03.230 --> 00:58:04.170
<v Ivan>You know, it's just not.

00:58:04.270 --> 00:58:08.830
<v Sam>You know, so, so I am enjoying the spinning wheel.

00:58:09.090 --> 00:58:14.730
<v Sam>I'm enjoying the game. So thank, and oh, Alex wants me to mention that he has

00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:21.650
<v Sam>also, he has been coding up a Tempest clone for the iPad using what,

00:58:21.650 --> 00:58:23.090
<v Sam>what's this program called Kodia?

00:58:24.050 --> 00:58:27.390
<v Sam>c-o-d-e-a he's been he's he's

00:58:27.390 --> 00:58:30.650
<v Sam>been using that to to program a tempest

00:58:30.650 --> 00:58:33.410
<v Sam>clone that every time

00:58:33.410 --> 00:58:38.750
<v Sam>he shows it to me he's added more of the original game into it so it's got the

00:58:38.750 --> 00:58:43.850
<v Sam>sort of spinning around and shooting things and he's now got it so you can finish

00:58:43.850 --> 00:58:49.230
<v Sam>a level and you know as several of the things if you don't know what the tempest

00:58:49.230 --> 00:58:51.130
<v Sam>game is this won't mean anything to you but,

00:58:51.710 --> 00:58:54.510
<v Sam>you know anyway he's every time he

00:58:54.510 --> 00:58:57.770
<v Sam>hands it to me it's got more features except the one thing that

00:58:57.770 --> 00:59:03.130
<v Sam>i still have not gotten used to obviously an ipad does not have a little controller

00:59:03.130 --> 00:59:08.910
<v Sam>to spin he's set it up so the controls are actually spinning the ipad and and

00:59:08.910 --> 00:59:14.390
<v Sam>i can't quite i can't quite get used to those controls but i have managed to

00:59:14.390 --> 00:59:17.710
<v Sam>finish the level that he's set up so Anyway,

00:59:18.370 --> 00:59:20.630
<v Sam>okay, that was everything else.

00:59:20.790 --> 00:59:23.270
<v Sam>What, Iran? Are we just going to go to Iran now?

00:59:23.490 --> 00:59:25.870
<v Sam>Or are we going to spend the rest of time talking about Trump's party?

00:59:25.870 --> 00:59:28.490
<v Ivan>No, let's go to Iran.

00:59:30.790 --> 00:59:31.310
<v Ivan>Iran.

00:59:31.830 --> 00:59:35.830
<v Sam>So, Ed and I did talk about Iran a little bit.

00:59:35.830 --> 00:59:36.130
<v Ivan>I hate Iran.

00:59:36.310 --> 00:59:40.410
<v Sam>Because it had started last time. Israel had attacked.

00:59:40.870 --> 00:59:45.090
<v Sam>Iran had started to retaliate when we recorded last week's show.

00:59:45.090 --> 00:59:49.050
<v Sam>But obviously, it's continued this whole time.

00:59:49.310 --> 00:59:55.890
<v Sam>And I guess the big additional thing is Donald Trump has been contemplating

00:59:55.890 --> 00:59:59.250
<v Sam>whether or not to let the U.S.

00:59:59.370 --> 01:00:02.470
<v Sam>get involved in helping take out.

01:00:02.470 --> 01:00:07.530
<v Sam>The underground portions of the nuclear capability. Camp, uh, whatever.

01:00:07.610 --> 01:00:07.830
<v Ivan>Nucular!

01:00:08.970 --> 01:00:13.730
<v Sam>Nucular, yes, sorry. I keep wanting to say Frodo for where this is.

01:00:13.830 --> 01:00:16.890
<v Sam>It's not Frodo, uh, because of the Lord of the Rings.

01:00:17.190 --> 01:00:19.630
<v Sam>It's Fordor? What is it? Fordor?

01:00:19.990 --> 01:00:23.970
<v Sam>The Iranian base where they're doing enrichment or whatever.

01:00:23.970 --> 01:00:24.850
<v Ivan>Something like that.

01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:27.590
<v Sam>But I keep wanting to call it Frodo.

01:00:27.930 --> 01:00:30.330
<v Ivan>I am... Something.

01:00:31.070 --> 01:00:33.910
<v Sam>And it's not Fodor's either. That's a travel guide.

01:00:34.090 --> 01:00:36.730
<v Ivan>That's a travel guide, yes. That's correct. footer, yes.

01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:42.580
<v Sam>Fordow, F-O-R-D-O-W, is the actual thing. Not Frodo.

01:00:43.200 --> 01:00:44.180
<v Ivan>Not Fredo.

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.140
<v Sam>It's the Fordow fuel enrichment plant.

01:00:47.140 --> 01:00:49.540
<v Ivan>Given that you did the godfather, Fredo.

01:00:49.660 --> 01:00:51.060
<v Sam>Oh, Fredo, yes, Fredo.

01:00:51.060 --> 01:00:52.740
<v Ivan>Yes, it's not Fredo.

01:00:53.100 --> 01:00:54.240
<v Sam>Or Alfredo.

01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:56.600
<v Ivan>Or Fettuccini, Alfredo, yes.

01:00:57.140 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Sam>Exactly. Now you're making me hungry. Okay, we're still avoiding the topic.

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:09.180
<v Ivan>Look, so, okay, well, now, see? It seems that Trump's chickened out.

01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.120
<v Sam>Yes, it does appear. Like, here's the thing.

01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:18.980
<v Sam>He went from, when this whole thing started, the U.S.

01:01:19.100 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Sam>position stated by all kinds of administration people was this is entirely between Israel and Iran.

01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:31.260
<v Sam>We have nothing to do with it. We're not going to be involved.

01:01:32.160 --> 01:01:37.220
<v Sam>We were pushing for Israel not to do this.

01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Sam>because we were pushing the peace talks, we wanted the new deal in place, et cetera, et cetera.

01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:51.860
<v Sam>Then there was a leak that said, well, actually, Donald Trump has said publicly

01:01:51.860 --> 01:01:56.160
<v Sam>that he was pushing for the deal, but actually he didn't say no to the Israelis.

01:01:56.240 --> 01:01:57.740
<v Sam>And he actually gave the green light.

01:01:58.180 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Sam>And then there was reporting that what was actually happening is Trump really

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:07.000
<v Sam>liked the coverage on Fox of what Israel was doing.

01:02:07.240 --> 01:02:09.240
<v Sam>And so he wanted to take some credit for it.

01:02:11.780 --> 01:02:13.120
<v Sam>And so he was.

01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:16.020
<v Ivan>God, which makes sense. Yeah.

01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.140
<v Sam>And so then, you know, there was still sort of, then there was this talk about

01:02:22.140 --> 01:02:26.620
<v Sam>how, well, Israel's not going to be able to get all of the capabilities because

01:02:26.620 --> 01:02:30.120
<v Sam>they don't have the right kind of bunker buster bombs.

01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.780
<v Sam>And so, you know, they really are going to need the U S and Netanyahu is trying

01:02:34.780 --> 01:02:36.420
<v Sam>to get Trump to get involved.

01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:41.780
<v Sam>And sin though, so there was a lot of Donald Trump saying, well,

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.840
<v Sam>we might get involved in a, we, we, we might kill Khamenei too.

01:02:46.740 --> 01:02:49.260
<v Ivan>And we might even use a tactical nuke.

01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.360
<v Sam>And we might use a tactical nuke. Now, Trump didn't say that.

01:02:53.520 --> 01:02:58.280
<v Sam>There was somebody else said that. But like, you know, it's been implied that

01:02:58.280 --> 01:02:59.500
<v Sam>nothing is off the table.

01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:07.200
<v Sam>And so there was a ramp up of the hawkish rhetoric coming from Trump and those

01:03:07.200 --> 01:03:08.860
<v Sam>surrounding him for a few days.

01:03:08.860 --> 01:03:11.720
<v Sam>And then it became clear that there

01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:21.340
<v Sam>was a significant schism in Trump land between the isolationist wing who really

01:03:21.340 --> 01:03:27.840
<v Sam>bought into Trump as the peace president and doesn't want war and wants to keep

01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:29.280
<v Sam>away from all of this stuff.

01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:36.000
<v Sam>And the whole point is, you know, America first, forget about all these international entanglements.

01:03:36.220 --> 01:03:42.060
<v Sam>In fact, Bannon specifically was on TV saying, you don't want to let this Iran

01:03:42.060 --> 01:03:47.560
<v Sam>thing distract from deporting all the illegals, because if you don't deport

01:03:47.560 --> 01:03:49.880
<v Sam>all the illegals, you've lost the country.

01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.660
<v Sam>And so, apparently...

01:03:52.660 --> 01:03:55.660
<v Ivan>This straight. Let me get this straight. Okay?

01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:56.040
<v Sam>Yes.

01:03:56.240 --> 01:04:00.140
<v Ivan>So my choices are, okay, it seems,

01:04:01.300 --> 01:04:11.380
<v Ivan>fucking send a fleet of B-2 spirits with these bunker buster bombs over there in order to you know,

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:18.720
<v Ivan>maybe fail at this and maybe stop the Iranians, maybe not, maybe trigger World War 3.

01:04:19.020 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Ivan>Or, Or my door number two is this ridiculous mass cruelty event that we're living with right now.

01:04:33.180 --> 01:04:38.220
<v Ivan>Is that, you know, with the deportation? Are those my doors at this moment?

01:04:38.260 --> 01:04:43.560
<v Sam>Well, there are other people that say why you have both. But I'll also say you

01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:47.580
<v Sam>also had the faction of the Republicans who are more aligned with the neocons.

01:04:48.520 --> 01:04:51.080
<v Sam>who, you know, and like, what's his name?

01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:51.420
<v Ivan>Bomb them.

01:04:51.720 --> 01:04:53.720
<v Sam>Lindsey Graham was one of these.

01:04:54.540 --> 01:04:56.660
<v Ivan>Well, Fetterman was like bomb.

01:04:57.220 --> 01:05:01.000
<v Sam>Fetterman, yeah, absolutely. On the Democratic side, there are a whole bunch

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.940
<v Sam>saying, yeah, absolutely, we have to take out the Iranians, whatever we do now,

01:05:05.080 --> 01:05:06.780
<v Sam>let's take our chance. Let's do this.

01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.700
<v Sam>We've been wanting to do this for a decade, you know?

01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:16.580
<v Sam>And so it seems like at the moment we are recording, and this could change in

01:05:16.580 --> 01:05:21.660
<v Sam>the next hour, the last person to talk to Donald Trump was indeed Bannon.

01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:28.620
<v Sam>And so the current thing that came out immediately after Donald Trump had Bannon

01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:33.180
<v Sam>over to the White House was, okay, let's,

01:05:33.870 --> 01:05:40.230
<v Sam>We'll give it two weeks. We'll give the Iranians two weeks to maybe come to

01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:42.570
<v Sam>the table and do the peace deal after all.

01:05:43.030 --> 01:05:46.910
<v Sam>Now, a couple of things on this. First of all, I will say— And apparently.

01:05:46.990 --> 01:05:49.830
<v Ivan>Wait, Trump was also talking about the Nobel Peace Prize.

01:05:50.390 --> 01:05:52.490
<v Sam>Yes, yes. We'll hit that in a second.

01:05:52.590 --> 01:05:58.210
<v Ivan>But that's not unimportant, okay? Here is the thing about this.

01:05:59.670 --> 01:06:04.890
<v Ivan>Remember that Obama got one. And there is this entire Obama,

01:06:04.890 --> 01:06:10.150
<v Ivan>you know, thing that kills him, okay, about that.

01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:18.450
<v Sam>Ed and I talked about this last week. You know, Trump clearly in multiple areas is saying,

01:06:19.050 --> 01:06:24.870
<v Sam>hell, today he like truth socialed something where he almost explicitly said

01:06:24.870 --> 01:06:30.530
<v Sam>it, but he was hoping for the fix the Ukraine situation in 24 hours and get

01:06:30.530 --> 01:06:31.850
<v Sam>the Nobel Peace Fries for that.

01:06:31.990 --> 01:06:37.830
<v Sam>Feeling that he wanted to get a Nobel Peace Prize for solving Gaza by building

01:06:37.830 --> 01:06:40.950
<v Sam>the Gaza and Riviera and kicking out all the people.

01:06:41.570 --> 01:06:48.730
<v Sam>Now, he was hoping to get a Nobel Peace Prize by bringing back the Iranian deal

01:06:48.730 --> 01:06:50.830
<v Sam>that he killed eight years ago.

01:06:52.310 --> 01:06:58.710
<v Sam>You know, there's... Oh, and he's also saying he deserves it for solving the

01:06:58.710 --> 01:07:04.950
<v Sam>India-Pakistan situation. Oh, and by the way, just a few hours ago,

01:07:06.370 --> 01:07:11.590
<v Sam>Showing that they know how to suck up, the Pakistanis nominated him for a Nobel

01:07:11.590 --> 01:07:15.650
<v Sam>Peace Prize for the India-Pakistan situation.

01:07:21.130 --> 01:07:25.590
<v Ivan>Now, look, but it's very clear that Bannon went in there.

01:07:25.590 --> 01:07:31.990
<v Ivan>and his, listen, because he had the Netanyahu manipulation using Fox News with

01:07:31.990 --> 01:07:35.510
<v Ivan>going and, you know, doing the bombing and saying,

01:07:35.630 --> 01:07:40.050
<v Ivan>hey, they're a threat, and they were kind of like brainwashing him nonstop with

01:07:40.050 --> 01:07:42.290
<v Ivan>Fox just being all warmongery.

01:07:42.590 --> 01:07:46.830
<v Ivan>So you had him almost on the point of like him pulling the trigger.

01:07:46.830 --> 01:07:49.810
<v Sam>He was ready to push the damn button to drop a nuke on Tehran.

01:07:49.970 --> 01:07:54.570
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly. He had him all the way there, then Bannon goes in because,

01:07:54.610 --> 01:07:56.730
<v Ivan>you know, like, like, like, you know,

01:07:57.050 --> 01:07:59.890
<v Ivan>like everything happens, like, but the whole immigration thing the other week

01:07:59.890 --> 01:08:04.330
<v Ivan>when he, when he's flip-flopped already, you know, where Bannon goes in and

01:08:04.330 --> 01:08:09.590
<v Ivan>he said, no, whatever you want, that noble peace prize, we can't do this.

01:08:09.650 --> 01:08:14.950
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, no, we're off the table. We're going for peace. Two weeks.

01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:19.090
<v Sam>Here's, here's the thing. Well, the two weeks thing, and a number of people

01:08:19.090 --> 01:08:24.990
<v Sam>have pointed this out, but, and some people have made video compilations of this,

01:08:25.730 --> 01:08:32.690
<v Sam>but we'll decide this in two weeks, is a standard go-to thing that Donald Trump does.

01:08:33.050 --> 01:08:37.870
<v Sam>People have pulled video compilations. Apparently, he's done it a few dozen

01:08:37.870 --> 01:08:41.290
<v Sam>times already since January in his second term.

01:08:41.530 --> 01:08:42.570
<v Ivan>Infrastructure week!

01:08:42.790 --> 01:08:45.670
<v Sam>And people pulled it from his first term as well.

01:08:45.770 --> 01:08:50.230
<v Sam>Not just infrastructure week, but basically whenever there was a decision to

01:08:50.230 --> 01:08:57.490
<v Sam>be made that was somewhat hard, his go-to is, we'll make a decision on this in two weeks.

01:08:57.630 --> 01:09:02.590
<v Sam>And he hopes that two weeks later, everyone's forgotten because he never comes

01:09:02.590 --> 01:09:05.110
<v Sam>back and actually makes the decision two weeks later.

01:09:08.130 --> 01:09:09.310
<v Ivan>Oh, my God.

01:09:09.550 --> 01:09:15.350
<v Sam>So, like, the play here is not actually, we'll give it two weeks,

01:09:15.370 --> 01:09:17.150
<v Sam>and two weeks later, we'll make a decision.

01:09:17.150 --> 01:09:22.510
<v Ivan>The play is, in two weeks, I will have created some other crisis in some other

01:09:22.510 --> 01:09:26.250
<v Ivan>fucking way that will make you forget about that one two weeks ago.

01:09:26.710 --> 01:09:29.350
<v Ivan>Exactly. Which is, you know, yes.

01:09:29.430 --> 01:09:31.010
<v Sam>Very plausible.

01:09:31.750 --> 01:09:32.170
<v Ivan>Totally.

01:09:32.170 --> 01:09:37.530
<v Sam>And also in this scenario, he may be like, hey, hell, two weeks from now,

01:09:37.650 --> 01:09:39.670
<v Sam>there's no indication the Israelis are waiting.

01:09:40.190 --> 01:09:44.450
<v Sam>The Israelis have put out a bunch of statements today that says all this reporting

01:09:44.450 --> 01:09:48.030
<v Sam>that we can't do it ourselves is bullshit. We've got ways to do it.

01:09:48.030 --> 01:09:56.110
<v Ivan>But look, it is the Israelis know it is far more difficult for them to do it without our help.

01:09:56.250 --> 01:10:00.470
<v Sam>OK, well, and one of the statements about using a tactical nuke did come from

01:10:00.470 --> 01:10:06.370
<v Sam>the Israeli side, by the way, that there is there is not officially not an official

01:10:06.370 --> 01:10:08.110
<v Sam>statement. But, you know, listen.

01:10:08.490 --> 01:10:15.270
<v Ivan>I got to tell you something. The Israelis have to be out of their fucking mind.

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:17.360
<v Ivan>To try to use a nuke.

01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:18.460
<v Sam>It is Bibi.

01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:25.360
<v Ivan>It doesn't matter. Okay, look, listen, let's be clear. Why is Bibi doing this, Sam?

01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:30.340
<v Sam>Oh, could it possibly be because his trial's not going well?

01:10:32.260 --> 01:10:37.700
<v Ivan>And his coalition is so fragile. How do you keep that coalition together?

01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:42.660
<v Sam>Well, and this is, you know, Ed and I talked about this about Iran last week,

01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:44.260
<v Sam>but it applies to Israel, too.

01:10:44.660 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:51.640
<v Sam>The one thing that is consistent, you know, worldwide, all the time,

01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:55.440
<v Sam>you can point to examples here in the U.S., it doesn't always last forever.

01:10:55.860 --> 01:11:00.520
<v Sam>But if you want a boost in your approval ratings, war.

01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.400
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:02.960
<v Sam>You know?

01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:03.520
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.020
<v Sam>Like, if you're, if, I mean, hell, they made Wag the Dog about this, right?

01:11:08.200 --> 01:11:08.560
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:14.340
<v Sam>If you have domestic issues and you want to boost and you want to make people

01:11:14.340 --> 01:11:16.280
<v Sam>forget about the domestic issues.

01:11:16.580 --> 01:11:20.160
<v Ivan>War. War against a known enemy.

01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:22.580
<v Sam>Against, yeah. I mean, like.

01:11:22.620 --> 01:11:25.740
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, it's like the Argentinians. Listen, the Argentinians and the

01:11:25.740 --> 01:11:26.740
<v Ivan>Falklands, for example.

01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:32.240
<v Ivan>Look, I mean, that was like, look, that was a sore spot for them.

01:11:33.700 --> 01:11:37.820
<v Ivan>The British, you know, were hated over the Falklands were theirs.

01:11:37.820 --> 01:11:45.240
<v Ivan>that military government was was in you know was in crisis fuck let's take let's

01:11:45.240 --> 01:11:50.800
<v Ivan>take the falklands the hell with it and and their popularity soared okay immediately.

01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:56.780
<v Sam>Well yeah i mean the context ed and i talked about this last week was the israelis

01:11:56.780 --> 01:12:01.800
<v Sam>talking about hey maybe because of this the iranian regime is really fragile

01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:06.720
<v Sam>and they'll fall and i was like no come on the one thing that rallies people

01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:08.500
<v Sam>behind the flag is being attacked.

01:12:09.120 --> 01:12:10.620
<v Sam>Even more than going to war.

01:12:11.780 --> 01:12:12.520
<v Ivan>Well, look.

01:12:12.980 --> 01:12:18.080
<v Sam>There is a certain point. There is a certain tipping point where if it gets

01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:19.900
<v Sam>bad enough, it goes the other direction.

01:12:20.280 --> 01:12:26.320
<v Ivan>But here's the thing. The Iranian regime is vastly unpopular.

01:12:26.580 --> 01:12:29.600
<v Ivan>I had shared an article from The Economist that was talking about this.

01:12:30.260 --> 01:12:33.640
<v Sam>I'll tell you what, they're more popular now than they were two weeks ago.

01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:39.460
<v Ivan>But not that much is what I'm looking at in there. There were actually quite a lot of people.

01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:41.920
<v Ivan>You know, there was an article that I shared from The Economist.

01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.880
<v Ivan>The Arab War thinks differently about this Iran war.

01:12:45.140 --> 01:12:50.280
<v Ivan>A new spectator sport with scary consequences in which a lot of the people that

01:12:50.280 --> 01:12:55.940
<v Ivan>normally were like Iranian, like, you know, cheerleaders were just like,

01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:59.820
<v Ivan>eh, fuck the Iranians. You know, what the hell?

01:13:00.100 --> 01:13:03.040
<v Ivan>They're assholes anyway. They've been fucking with us for so long.

01:13:03.240 --> 01:13:12.500
<v Ivan>The hell with them. You know, it's just, it just, it wasn't, there wasn't the,

01:13:13.430 --> 01:13:24.030
<v Ivan>There wasn't the kind of reaction that you would expect outpouring of mass support for the Iranians.

01:13:24.230 --> 01:13:28.430
<v Ivan>OK, but did it maybe improve internally?

01:13:29.430 --> 01:13:33.910
<v Ivan>Somewhat. Sure. But they definitely didn't get some.

01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:38.170
<v Ivan>You know, it's not like when, you know, Russia attack Ukraine. Right.

01:13:38.610 --> 01:13:38.830
<v Sam>Mm hmm.

01:13:40.110 --> 01:13:45.050
<v Ivan>Unilaterally, everybody was on the Ukrainian side. The Israelis attacked Iran

01:13:45.050 --> 01:13:47.310
<v Ivan>and even their neighbors or whatever.

01:13:47.450 --> 01:13:50.990
<v Ivan>They were like, they're supposed to allies. They were like, well.

01:13:51.010 --> 01:13:55.170
<v Sam>I am talking mainly internally in my in the statement I made.

01:13:55.370 --> 01:13:58.610
<v Ivan>But even there was there was talk about internally.

01:13:58.930 --> 01:14:04.050
<v Ivan>Look, there was quite a lot. There was quite, quite a lot of angst against the

01:14:04.050 --> 01:14:05.270
<v Ivan>Iranian regime right now.

01:14:05.550 --> 01:14:10.210
<v Ivan>A lot of people were talking, you know, the things internally that we're talking

01:14:10.210 --> 01:14:13.310
<v Ivan>about was how stupid are our leaders?

01:14:13.430 --> 01:14:18.330
<v Ivan>that they got caught like that and they got killed like that,

01:14:18.470 --> 01:14:24.230
<v Ivan>that they were so cavalier that even though there were messages about the threats,

01:14:24.630 --> 01:14:29.250
<v Ivan>what they decided to do is after bullshit and they got killed.

01:14:30.110 --> 01:14:36.590
<v Sam>And specifically, like even those that thought they would probably be an attack

01:14:36.590 --> 01:14:42.290
<v Sam>thought that the Israelis would hold off until the next scheduled meeting with the Americans.

01:14:42.650 --> 01:14:42.830
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:14:43.390 --> 01:14:50.290
<v Sam>Like, and, and probably I would imagine, you know, Donald Trump probably thought so too.

01:14:50.710 --> 01:14:51.210
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:14:51.370 --> 01:14:55.110
<v Sam>You know, he was played by, by Bibi on this one.

01:14:55.210 --> 01:15:01.830
<v Sam>He was used as the bait to make sure the Iranians were caught by surprise because

01:15:01.830 --> 01:15:05.370
<v Sam>they thought they were right in the midst of negotiations with the Americans

01:15:05.370 --> 01:15:09.930
<v Sam>and there was no way the Israelis would attack while that was going on. Wrong.

01:15:10.590 --> 01:15:10.870
<v Ivan>Yep.

01:15:10.870 --> 01:15:13.750
<v Sam>You know but but yeah so anyway

01:15:13.750 --> 01:15:17.630
<v Sam>it looks like donald trump has done his it'll

01:15:17.630 --> 01:15:21.270
<v Sam>you know we'll tell you in two weeks and he's

01:15:21.270 --> 01:15:28.390
<v Sam>really hoping this goes away and you know let's hope he's right i don't know

01:15:28.390 --> 01:15:37.730
<v Sam>like you know you know i saw a chart of the number of attacks in both directions

01:15:37.730 --> 01:15:39.810
<v Sam>over the last couple of weeks.

01:15:40.350 --> 01:15:43.310
<v Sam>And it is less than it was at the beginning.

01:15:43.690 --> 01:15:49.950
<v Sam>Like there was a big spike at the beginning in both directions and it is slowing down.

01:15:50.830 --> 01:15:54.610
<v Sam>But it's not over in either direction.

01:15:55.050 --> 01:15:58.230
<v Ivan>Listen, this is very costly for the Israelis, like right now.

01:15:58.410 --> 01:16:04.530
<v Ivan>I just saw that just the defense, just how much in munitions for daily defense

01:16:04.530 --> 01:16:09.970
<v Ivan>it cost when the Iranians were launching was about a quarter of a billion dollars a day.

01:16:10.710 --> 01:16:17.170
<v Sam>Well, and there's also a question of how many of these defensive missiles they even have.

01:16:17.690 --> 01:16:22.250
<v Sam>Like, you know, there were reports that, you know, although the quality isn't

01:16:22.250 --> 01:16:29.590
<v Sam>that great, just in terms of sheer numbers, Iran has more offensive missiles

01:16:29.590 --> 01:16:32.410
<v Sam>than Israel has defensive missiles.

01:16:32.550 --> 01:16:33.370
<v Ivan>So they think.

01:16:33.810 --> 01:16:34.690
<v Sam>So they think.

01:16:34.850 --> 01:16:37.610
<v Ivan>So they think. Because that's been the speculation. Because also,

01:16:37.730 --> 01:16:40.130
<v Ivan>by the way, you know, the Iranians, all of a sudden, the number of missiles

01:16:40.130 --> 01:16:42.670
<v Ivan>they were launching was also going down pretty quickly as well.

01:16:42.850 --> 01:16:43.430
<v Sam>Yes, it was.

01:16:43.670 --> 01:16:43.770
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:16:44.250 --> 01:16:49.890
<v Sam>Well, and for two reasons. One, you know, well, one is just straight up,

01:16:50.150 --> 01:16:52.850
<v Sam>Israel is destroying a lot of them on the ground. Exactly.

01:16:53.190 --> 01:16:59.830
<v Sam>A bunch of what Israel is doing is attacking known Iranian missile bases.

01:17:00.850 --> 01:17:01.270
<v Ivan>Missile bases, yeah.

01:17:01.270 --> 01:17:04.590
<v Sam>I mean, one of the things that Israel has said is, yes, we're after the nuclear

01:17:04.590 --> 01:17:09.530
<v Sam>capabilities, but we're also after the missile capabilities, conventional.

01:17:09.990 --> 01:17:10.350
<v Ivan>Right.

01:17:10.350 --> 01:17:15.350
<v Sam>You know, because that, and if you remember, that was one of the main,

01:17:15.750 --> 01:17:20.150
<v Sam>I shouldn't say one of the main, there were many criticisms,

01:17:20.450 --> 01:17:27.550
<v Sam>but one of the big criticisms the Israelis and the neocon conservatives in America

01:17:27.550 --> 01:17:36.030
<v Sam>had against the Iran deal that the Obama-Iran deal was that it only talked about

01:17:36.030 --> 01:17:40.130
<v Sam>the nuclear development platform and not all the other things.

01:17:40.130 --> 01:17:45.330
<v Sam>Iran was doing with their missile capabilities and their interference with various

01:17:45.330 --> 01:17:46.790
<v Sam>other countries around the region.

01:17:47.610 --> 01:17:52.510
<v Sam>And Obama's response was, look, one thing at a time, we're dealing with the news.

01:17:52.510 --> 01:17:52.570
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:17:53.830 --> 01:17:58.350
<v Sam>Whereas, you know, B.B. and others were basically saying, if you don't solve

01:17:58.350 --> 01:18:00.110
<v Sam>everything, we're not interested at all.

01:18:00.670 --> 01:18:03.690
<v Ivan>Ah, the perfect solution. Otherwise, no solution. Yes.

01:18:03.890 --> 01:18:09.930
<v Ivan>And also always, always a way to solve all problems is to always look for the perfect solution.

01:18:10.150 --> 01:18:16.610
<v Sam>And the other thing that all of these folks said was a problem was the Obama deal had a lifespan.

01:18:16.610 --> 01:18:21.590
<v Sam>It was you won't do these things for X number of years and said nothing about

01:18:21.590 --> 01:18:25.650
<v Sam>the time period after that. And they were basically saying the fact that it's

01:18:25.650 --> 01:18:27.270
<v Sam>not forever makes it unacceptable.

01:18:27.850 --> 01:18:32.930
<v Sam>Whereas, again, the Obama position was, hey, if we've got a 10-year moratorium,

01:18:33.190 --> 01:18:37.230
<v Sam>it gives us 10 years to work on the deal for what happens after that.

01:18:37.390 --> 01:18:43.670
<v Sam>And it gives us 10 years to work on improving the relationship I've ever ran

01:18:43.670 --> 01:18:47.110
<v Sam>with the rest of the world to diminish the problem anyway. Of course,

01:18:47.270 --> 01:18:51.410
<v Sam>that didn't play out because Donald Trump, you know, got rid of the deal.

01:18:51.630 --> 01:18:55.370
<v Sam>And I've also seen all kinds of charts in the last week of, you know,

01:18:55.510 --> 01:19:02.050
<v Sam>the amount of nuclear, of refined uranium that Iran had, or the number of centrifuges,

01:19:02.310 --> 01:19:06.130
<v Sam>all various metrics here that show it go up, up, up, up, up.

01:19:06.130 --> 01:19:09.090
<v Sam>then the the the deal

01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:12.390
<v Sam>happens and it goes to zero it

01:19:12.390 --> 01:19:15.130
<v Sam>goes to zero and it's flat and if

01:19:15.130 --> 01:19:18.110
<v Sam>you remember this was verified internationally going yeah

01:19:18.110 --> 01:19:22.910
<v Sam>i know i know all kinds of inspectors and blah blah blah and then there's another

01:19:22.910 --> 01:19:27.570
<v Sam>vertical line that says oh and at this point this is when trump pulled out and

01:19:27.570 --> 01:19:31.090
<v Sam>all those lines start going back up again there's like a three-month delay and

01:19:31.090 --> 01:19:36.030
<v Sam>then it all starts going back up again and exceeds where they were in the obama administration Well.

01:19:36.030 --> 01:19:39.530
<v Ivan>I wish his father had pulled out at some point, but that didn't happen.

01:19:43.430 --> 01:19:44.710
<v Ivan>Um, yeah.

01:19:44.910 --> 01:19:49.670
<v Sam>So I, I, one other thing, just before I forget, when, when we were talking about

01:19:49.670 --> 01:19:51.270
<v Sam>the factions of Republicans,

01:19:51.630 --> 01:19:56.690
<v Sam>including the ones who are upset about Donald Trump, but potentially liking

01:19:56.690 --> 01:19:58.710
<v Sam>war and not being all peacenik,

01:19:58.890 --> 01:20:03.710
<v Sam>my daughter was apparently hearing from the other room and texted me all the

01:20:03.710 --> 01:20:07.630
<v Sam>Trump stands crying over this war effort are goofy losers.

01:20:10.850 --> 01:20:18.550
<v Ivan>Okay let's be clear all the trump stands period about anything are goofy losers

01:20:18.550 --> 01:20:20.450
<v Ivan>all right let's be clear let's.

01:20:20.450 --> 01:20:24.910
<v Sam>Get back let's get back to the walls weird thing that should never have been abandoned.

01:20:24.910 --> 01:20:28.430
<v Ivan>That should never been abandoned you know but there was there was this article,

01:20:29.950 --> 01:20:33.870
<v Ivan>talking about specifically this you can go first because it's about this subject

01:20:33.870 --> 01:20:36.410
<v Ivan>specifically okay You know, talking about why, you know,

01:20:37.150 --> 01:20:42.410
<v Ivan>somebody, it's up stack, Charlie Sykes wrote, why is this happening with Trump? Okay.

01:20:42.890 --> 01:20:46.170
<v Ivan>And these were, these were the bullet points. Okay. About this.

01:20:46.290 --> 01:20:47.350
<v Ivan>You need to understand this.

01:20:47.910 --> 01:20:52.410
<v Ivan>This is what we need to understand about that fetid stew of Trump's cognitive,

01:20:52.410 --> 01:20:56.630
<v Ivan>you know, this is Trump loves to dress up part of being generalissimo,

01:20:56.890 --> 01:20:58.610
<v Ivan>but he is not a warrior president.

01:20:59.220 --> 01:21:03.300
<v Ivan>He revels in the trappings and parade of power, but if he wages war,

01:21:03.460 --> 01:21:06.660
<v Ivan>he wants to be here in America, not abroad. Crazy.

01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:10.980
<v Ivan>Yes, that's what he's doing. He would love day one of the war,

01:21:11.100 --> 01:21:12.680
<v Ivan>not so much the days after.

01:21:12.900 --> 01:21:15.180
<v Ivan>He wants the show, but not the mess.

01:21:15.820 --> 01:21:19.940
<v Ivan>Donald Trump very much wants to be the strong man who drums the big bunker bomb

01:21:19.940 --> 01:21:24.240
<v Ivan>on Iran's nuclear program, but he also very much wants to win a Nobel Prize

01:21:24.240 --> 01:21:27.300
<v Ivan>because he really does fancy himself as a peacemaker.

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.500
<v Ivan>Don't ask. Let me put a parenthesis why that is.

01:21:31.180 --> 01:21:35.960
<v Ivan>Trump enjoys the attention he's getting now and craves being in control.

01:21:36.120 --> 01:21:38.340
<v Ivan>But the fallout from war is uncontrollable.

01:21:38.780 --> 01:21:43.800
<v Ivan>There are $40,000 American troops in harm's way. Iran could blockade the Strait of Hormuz.

01:21:44.240 --> 01:21:49.640
<v Ivan>And finally, the guy who blusters all caps threats, unconditional surrender,

01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:51.660
<v Ivan>really does always chicken out.

01:21:51.660 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Sam>Yes, because he doesn't want to do anything that in the end is risky to him.

01:22:00.120 --> 01:22:05.400
<v Sam>There was another clip, and this was from BBC Newsnight that I saw shared on

01:22:05.400 --> 01:22:08.520
<v Sam>social media with an analyst talking about this.

01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:13.960
<v Sam>And this, I said it was spot on, nails it. Because basically she said,

01:22:14.040 --> 01:22:21.220
<v Sam>look, the thing you got to remember is that Trump does not think strategically at all.

01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:21.920
<v Ivan>Nothing.

01:22:22.240 --> 01:22:26.980
<v Sam>Nothing. He does not think about what's good for America.

01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:28.760
<v Ivan>What's good for the world.

01:22:29.160 --> 01:22:32.900
<v Sam>For Israel, for Iran, for any. No, God.

01:22:33.480 --> 01:22:34.040
<v Ivan>Fuck no.

01:22:34.040 --> 01:22:38.500
<v Sam>It is all about how does he personally come out looking like a winner.

01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:39.280
<v Ivan>Yep.

01:22:39.700 --> 01:22:40.500
<v Sam>That's it.

01:22:40.940 --> 01:22:46.000
<v Ivan>That is it. There is no other fucking consideration in this guy's mind.

01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:51.860
<v Sam>Exactly. And so like this flip-flopping you're seeing, like this is exactly

01:22:51.860 --> 01:22:56.100
<v Sam>like at first he was like, hey, I'm going to come out a winner because I'm going

01:22:56.100 --> 01:22:57.880
<v Sam>to come up with a new Iran deal.

01:22:58.650 --> 01:23:06.790
<v Sam>And then he sees Israel kicking ass, blowing up things in Iran and getting positive coverage on Fox News.

01:23:07.050 --> 01:23:09.070
<v Ivan>Hey, hey, hey, hey, I want credit for that.

01:23:09.870 --> 01:23:15.050
<v Sam>Exactly. And then he gets Bannon talking to him and saying, oh,

01:23:15.130 --> 01:23:17.250
<v Sam>no, no, no, that would be a huge mess.

01:23:17.430 --> 01:23:19.110
<v Sam>You want to keep out of this. You

01:23:19.110 --> 01:23:22.590
<v Sam>want to make sure you have your success elsewhere. And so he pivots again.

01:23:22.830 --> 01:23:23.690
<v Ivan>You want to get your noble beast, Bryce.

01:23:24.230 --> 01:23:28.710
<v Sam>And it's all about what does he make him look good. Now, I've also seen people

01:23:28.710 --> 01:23:33.390
<v Sam>point out, because it was both him and it was Tucker Carlson and Bannon.

01:23:33.630 --> 01:23:36.290
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. No, yeah, well, both of them.

01:23:36.290 --> 01:23:41.970
<v Sam>Tucker Carlson was talking to Ted Cruz and was all going in on Ted Cruz.

01:23:44.470 --> 01:23:49.890
<v Ivan>Tucker Carlson humiliated Ted, which I guess is not that hard if you get him one on one.

01:23:49.990 --> 01:23:53.690
<v Sam>Look, he was asking questions about, like, what's the population of Iran and

01:23:53.690 --> 01:23:55.850
<v Sam>such, and I wouldn't have known off the top of my head either.

01:23:55.850 --> 01:23:58.470
<v Sam>you know so but his point no.

01:23:58.470 --> 01:24:02.070
<v Ivan>But but his his point was that he hasn't he had been making.

01:24:02.070 --> 01:24:03.930
<v Sam>His point very detailed.

01:24:03.930 --> 01:24:06.430
<v Ivan>Recommendations without knowing shit about the subject.

01:24:06.430 --> 01:24:09.610
<v Sam>Yes yes the fundamental point was ted cruz

01:24:09.610 --> 01:24:12.790
<v Sam>has been going on about wanting to attack iran

01:24:12.790 --> 01:24:15.630
<v Sam>and we needing to be part of this and how this is

01:24:15.630 --> 01:24:19.870
<v Sam>necessary but then when you ask him questions that

01:24:19.870 --> 01:24:23.010
<v Sam>delve anything beyond the superficial of

01:24:23.010 --> 01:24:26.490
<v Sam>the situation he has no freaking idea exactly and and

01:24:26.490 --> 01:24:29.730
<v Sam>so and and then you may look this

01:24:29.730 --> 01:24:32.530
<v Sam>is this is one of those scenarios where okay

01:24:32.530 --> 01:24:35.810
<v Sam>they're fighting themselves this is like when we were talking about elon

01:24:35.810 --> 01:24:39.750
<v Sam>a few weeks ago right you know yes it's

01:24:39.750 --> 01:24:43.030
<v Sam>fun to watch them fight amongst themselves but you

01:24:43.030 --> 01:24:45.970
<v Sam>don't have to align yourself with them you know it's like

01:24:45.970 --> 01:24:49.010
<v Sam>it's like okay i am glad

01:24:49.010 --> 01:24:52.150
<v Sam>that bannon is in there trying to

01:24:52.150 --> 01:24:54.890
<v Sam>talk donald trump out of getting involved in a

01:24:54.890 --> 01:25:03.650
<v Sam>war but that doesn't make a reasons are awful are awful it has nothing to do

01:25:03.650 --> 01:25:09.510
<v Sam>with what would be my reasons for keeping out of a war in iran right of which

01:25:09.510 --> 01:25:13.350
<v Sam>there are many there are many good ones yes But Bannon's reason,

01:25:13.830 --> 01:25:19.270
<v Sam>oh, you don't want to be distracted from causing great pain and suffering amongst

01:25:19.270 --> 01:25:21.750
<v Sam>the immigrant population in the country.

01:25:22.030 --> 01:25:25.990
<v Ivan>By the way, the immigrant population in the blue states in the country,

01:25:26.130 --> 01:25:31.390
<v Ivan>which is what I'm realizing now, by the way, this is I realize.

01:25:31.650 --> 01:25:33.870
<v Sam>I mean, he's hitting some red states, too. But, yeah, it's mainly.

01:25:34.210 --> 01:25:39.890
<v Ivan>Barely, barely, Sam. Barely. this is all listen,

01:25:40.170 --> 01:25:48.050
<v Ivan>this is all show and he's really targeting like New York and California I mean,

01:25:48.250 --> 01:25:52.910
<v Ivan>you don't see this shit coming out barely out of Texas or.

01:25:52.910 --> 01:25:53.790
<v Sam>Where you are in.

01:25:53.790 --> 01:25:54.830
<v Ivan>Florida or Florida,

01:25:56.330 --> 01:26:03.130
<v Ivan>This is, I mean, and there was, like recently, I can't remember when he said

01:26:03.130 --> 01:26:08.970
<v Ivan>this, that we need to exert the maximum pain on those states specifically.

01:26:08.970 --> 01:26:10.510
<v Sam>They're open about it. They're open.

01:26:10.550 --> 01:26:10.890
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:26:11.090 --> 01:26:13.230
<v Sam>It's not even hidden in any way.

01:26:13.470 --> 01:26:13.730
<v Ivan>Right.

01:26:14.690 --> 01:26:21.370
<v Sam>Now, and I suspect, you know, there, I suspect there's plenty happening in red

01:26:21.370 --> 01:26:24.770
<v Sam>states too, actually, but where they want the emphasis is the blue.

01:26:25.690 --> 01:26:33.970
<v Ivan>There is some happening, but it's nowhere, nowhere near what they're doing in California, New York.

01:26:34.150 --> 01:26:41.330
<v Sam>My point is just that, you know, it is really weird to be in a situation where

01:26:41.330 --> 01:26:42.970
<v Sam>you're like, go, Bannon, go.

01:26:43.290 --> 01:26:44.870
<v Ivan>I know. I'm like, fuck.

01:26:45.150 --> 01:26:49.050
<v Sam>Or like, oh, Tucker Carlson. You know, go, go.

01:26:50.130 --> 01:26:54.150
<v Ivan>Humiliated Ted Cruz. I'm like, yeah, I'm all I'm all in for humiliating Ted

01:26:54.150 --> 01:26:57.670
<v Ivan>Cruz. I mean, you know, that's always a fun day, you know?

01:26:58.170 --> 01:27:03.350
<v Ivan>I mean, making him look like the complete fucking idiot loser he is. Yes, I'm all in.

01:27:04.130 --> 01:27:04.590
<v Sam>Yes.

01:27:04.810 --> 01:27:12.010
<v Ivan>But Tucker Carlson is a hateful, spiteful little man as well. So.

01:27:12.530 --> 01:27:13.530
<v Sam>As is Bannon.

01:27:13.890 --> 01:27:14.890
<v Ivan>As is Bannon.

01:27:15.410 --> 01:27:16.970
<v Sam>Yeah, a bunch of these other folks.

01:27:17.110 --> 01:27:21.830
<v Ivan>As is Miller. As is, you know. Hey, how's Tulsi feeling today, by the way?

01:27:21.970 --> 01:27:24.950
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. Well, we hadn't even mentioned Tulsi.

01:27:25.250 --> 01:27:27.790
<v Ivan>How's she doing? You think she's feeling good today?

01:27:30.330 --> 01:27:32.090
<v Sam>It's not her best week.

01:27:32.590 --> 01:27:33.150
<v Ivan>No.

01:27:34.050 --> 01:27:36.770
<v Sam>So you want to say what happened to Tulsi or shall I?

01:27:37.370 --> 01:27:39.470
<v Ivan>I mean, okay, so.

01:27:39.990 --> 01:27:42.390
<v Sam>This is actually important to the scenario, too.

01:27:43.170 --> 01:27:46.270
<v Ivan>The main thing today, Trump was angry.

01:27:46.690 --> 01:27:49.650
<v Ivan>Earlier this month, I'll read it. This is from a New York Times article.

01:27:49.830 --> 01:27:51.330
<v Ivan>It talks specifically about this call.

01:27:52.050 --> 01:27:56.850
<v Ivan>Trump's rebuke of Gabbard signals an uneasy moment.

01:27:57.410 --> 01:28:00.950
<v Ivan>Earlier this month, Tulsi Gabbard, his director of national intelligence,

01:28:01.130 --> 01:28:04.650
<v Ivan>posted a three and a half minute video, social media, describing her visit to

01:28:04.650 --> 01:28:06.350
<v Ivan>Hiroshima and outlining the

01:28:06.350 --> 01:28:09.410
<v Ivan>horrors caused by the detonation of a nuclear weapon there 80 years ago.

01:28:10.070 --> 01:28:13.130
<v Ivan>Speaking directly to the camera, Ms. Gabbard warned that the threat of nuclear

01:28:13.130 --> 01:28:16.790
<v Ivan>war remained as we stand here today closer to the brink of nuclear annihilation

01:28:16.790 --> 01:28:20.770
<v Ivan>than ever before. She said political elites and warmongers are carelessly fomenting

01:28:20.770 --> 01:28:22.870
<v Ivan>fear and tension between nuclear powers.

01:28:23.210 --> 01:28:27.630
<v Ivan>Mr. Trump berated Ms. Gabbard for the video, according to two people briefed on the conversation.

01:28:27.830 --> 01:28:31.110
<v Ivan>She had said that her discussion of nuclear annihilation would scare people

01:28:31.110 --> 01:28:33.270
<v Ivan>and that officials should not talk about it.

01:28:33.430 --> 01:28:40.290
<v Ivan>So that was the first thing. OK, and then she was Trump was asked publicly about,

01:28:40.290 --> 01:28:44.290
<v Ivan>you know, the the military strike on Iran.

01:28:44.510 --> 01:28:48.630
<v Ivan>Miss Gabbard, a critic of overseas entanglements, has privately raised concerns of a wider war.

01:28:48.770 --> 01:28:53.830
<v Ivan>And on Friday, Mr. Trump said she's wrong when he was asked about her testimony

01:28:53.830 --> 01:28:58.750
<v Ivan>in March that Iran had not decided to build a nuclear weapon. Just flat out.

01:28:58.750 --> 01:29:04.290
<v Sam>And let me hit that part, because I think that's actually very important,

01:29:04.290 --> 01:29:06.950
<v Sam>because this is not just Tulsi.

01:29:07.690 --> 01:29:14.870
<v Sam>Like, Tulsi is representing the actual intelligence conclusion of the U.S.

01:29:15.050 --> 01:29:18.030
<v Sam>government that has been consistent for a number of years.

01:29:18.030 --> 01:29:19.110
<v Ivan>That they're not building a nuke.

01:29:19.110 --> 01:29:27.510
<v Sam>Which is that while the capacity that the Iranians have for uranium enrichment is concerning,

01:29:27.890 --> 01:29:34.630
<v Sam>because in theory, it means if the Iranians made the decision to actually build

01:29:34.630 --> 01:29:36.990
<v Sam>a weapon, it gets them closer to that point.

01:29:37.150 --> 01:29:42.710
<v Sam>But the actual situation going back to all the way to, I believe, 2003,

01:29:43.190 --> 01:29:49.030
<v Sam>is that the leadership in Iran, the religious leadership in Iran,

01:29:49.330 --> 01:29:54.350
<v Sam>had put a stop to actual nuclear weapon research.

01:29:55.350 --> 01:30:00.430
<v Sam>And had put out all kinds of statements about how nuclear weapons were immoral

01:30:00.430 --> 01:30:04.490
<v Sam>and should not be used in war, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:30:04.710 --> 01:30:16.010
<v Sam>And basically killed any actual development of weapons way back in 2023, not 2023, 2003.

01:30:17.110 --> 01:30:21.030
<v Sam>Like over 20 years ago. And the U.S.

01:30:21.690 --> 01:30:25.450
<v Sam>intelligence consensus is that that has not changed.

01:30:25.710 --> 01:30:34.590
<v Sam>The sort of official sense of what's going on is, yes, the Iranians have a civilian capacity.

01:30:34.830 --> 01:30:40.990
<v Sam>Yes, that civilian capacity could potentially be converted to dual use and made

01:30:40.990 --> 01:30:47.950
<v Sam>into a weapons capacity. And yes, there is concern about how short that time period is.

01:30:48.450 --> 01:30:55.150
<v Sam>If you fully develop what the Iranians are doing, you potentially get into a

01:30:55.150 --> 01:31:00.630
<v Sam>situation where converting it into a weapons capacity is a very short timeline.

01:31:00.630 --> 01:31:06.770
<v Sam>Now you hear like some people on the, you know, on the hawkish side say that time period is in weeks.

01:31:07.150 --> 01:31:14.330
<v Sam>But what I've heard from more neutral experts is more likely we're talking six

01:31:14.330 --> 01:31:19.570
<v Sam>months to a year if the Iranians actually decided, yes, we absolutely do want a weapon. Let's go.

01:31:20.810 --> 01:31:21.930
<v Sam>And so...

01:31:22.900 --> 01:31:26.060
<v Sam>There is reason for concern, potentially.

01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:34.280
<v Sam>However, the American intelligence consensus is the Iranians have never actually

01:31:34.280 --> 01:31:37.240
<v Sam>made that shift and said, yes,

01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:43.000
<v Sam>we are building a weapon and we want to build a weapon or that it's moral to do so.

01:31:43.160 --> 01:31:49.640
<v Sam>Right now, there is a religious dicta saying that that would be fundamentally

01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.780
<v Sam>wrong and that the country should not do that.

01:31:53.420 --> 01:31:57.560
<v Sam>And that doesn't mean they couldn't change their mind or the next leader could

01:31:57.560 --> 01:31:58.720
<v Sam>have a different opinion.

01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:04.220
<v Sam>But it does mean that when you, and obviously, like, well, I shouldn't say obviously,

01:32:04.460 --> 01:32:09.240
<v Sam>the take is Israeli intelligence has come to a different conclusion.

01:32:09.240 --> 01:32:16.900
<v Sam>But you have to wonder, do they really know something more or are they just, for good reason,

01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:23.200
<v Sam>wanting to index to being more paranoid about the situation because the consequences

01:32:23.200 --> 01:32:27.540
<v Sam>are much greater for them in the short term if Iran does decide to do this?

01:32:27.540 --> 01:32:30.420
<v Sam>and apparently this this

01:32:30.420 --> 01:32:33.500
<v Sam>is a situation where as recently as march

01:32:33.500 --> 01:32:36.680
<v Sam>like you said tulsi was in front of congressional

01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:39.600
<v Sam>committees stating that this

01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:45.800
<v Sam>was the conclusion of an of american intelligence and we have donald trump openly

01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:51.060
<v Sam>on the white house lawn answering a question saying well if that's what they

01:32:51.060 --> 01:32:54.660
<v Sam>think they're just full of it they're just wrong they're they're just wrong

01:32:54.660 --> 01:32:59.220
<v Sam>Not because he knows something specific otherwise.

01:32:59.660 --> 01:33:04.720
<v Sam>It's just it's not convenient for him. And this just reminds you of the situation

01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:08.280
<v Sam>going up to the first Iraq war where, you know,

01:33:08.360 --> 01:33:15.280
<v Sam>the intelligence community was essentially stifled and was only allowed to bring to the president.

01:33:16.220 --> 01:33:20.680
<v Sam>Information that led to the conclusion that, yes, of course the Iraqis are building

01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:23.000
<v Sam>weapons of mass destruction and we need an invasion.

01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:28.660
<v Sam>All of the counter evidence was stifled and held internally,

01:33:28.660 --> 01:33:33.360
<v Sam>and people were told, no, no, no, that's not wanted. We're not going to go there.

01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:34.900
<v Sam>There was plenty of that.

01:33:35.180 --> 01:33:39.540
<v Sam>There was plenty of intelligence indicating that it was bullshit.

01:33:39.540 --> 01:33:43.220
<v Ivan>Including an actual guy that people made fun of, Hans Blix,

01:33:43.360 --> 01:33:49.160
<v Ivan>who was an inspector that went around and basically had done all these inspections

01:33:49.160 --> 01:33:56.840
<v Ivan>and show that they weren't doing this and the u.s government chose to ignore that information.

01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.660
<v Sam>And and this this is the similarity i'm pointing

01:33:59.660 --> 01:34:04.600
<v Sam>out it's just like donald and we know this about him in general donald trump

01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:10.920
<v Sam>has no real concern for what is actually true or not yeah what are facts no

01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:15.240
<v Sam>it's what it's what's convenient for his situation again what will make him

01:34:15.240 --> 01:34:18.020
<v Sam>see seem like a winner and oh.

01:34:18.020 --> 01:34:23.640
<v Ivan>By the way as as this was all happening he called the fed chairman powell a complete moron.

01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:29.100
<v Sam>Well yes of course and he said he's going to appoint his successor soon even

01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:33.000
<v Sam>though he's got like a year left on his term or whatever yeah something like

01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:39.620
<v Sam>yeah i mean it's all about positioning himself to look like a winner It is not

01:34:39.620 --> 01:34:41.280
<v Sam>about what's actually happening on the ground.

01:34:41.660 --> 01:34:49.220
<v Sam>And I'll point out, by the way, also, as usual with Israeli preemptive wars,

01:34:49.480 --> 01:34:53.640
<v Sam>or for that matter, preemptive wars in general, it holds true for the Iraq war

01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:54.920
<v Sam>we were just talking about, too.

01:34:55.320 --> 01:35:03.020
<v Sam>You know, if you look at casualties and fatalities in this back and forth between

01:35:03.020 --> 01:35:07.000
<v Sam>Israel and Iran, Israel's killed a lot more people than Iran has.

01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:12.420
<v Sam>just like israel's killed a lot more people in gaza than than hamas succeeded

01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:17.620
<v Sam>in killing israelis you know and so obviously there are other factors at play

01:35:17.620 --> 01:35:21.280
<v Sam>that you have to consider but if you just weigh things in terms of who's killed

01:35:21.280 --> 01:35:26.020
<v Sam>the more people the most people it's not even close yeah.

01:35:26.020 --> 01:35:30.620
<v Ivan>I know oh gosh any other happy fun stuff.

01:35:30.620 --> 01:35:38.720
<v Sam>Happy fun stuff we we we the lawmaker shootings Is that happy and fun?

01:35:39.530 --> 01:35:45.810
<v Sam>I mean, I'll just say on this, having a wife who's a state legislator, this stuff hits home.

01:35:47.590 --> 01:35:55.090
<v Sam>And there, you know, I've heard through the grapevine, nothing I could quote directly,

01:35:56.150 --> 01:36:01.490
<v Sam>but there are considerations being worked up in terms of does security have

01:36:01.490 --> 01:36:08.710
<v Sam>to be increased for other lawmakers, you know, here in Washington and across the country after this.

01:36:08.710 --> 01:36:16.230
<v Sam>and you know my my wife this very moment i just finished a she was attending

01:36:16.230 --> 01:36:21.670
<v Sam>a conference in seattle of women lawmakers from across the country and you know

01:36:21.670 --> 01:36:26.950
<v Sam>this was a topic of conversation you know look i.

01:36:26.950 --> 01:36:33.450
<v Ivan>I when i lived in in puerto rico when i was young there were still residual

01:36:33.450 --> 01:36:39.430
<v Ivan>effects of a significant amount of violence against elected officials in Puerto Rico,

01:36:39.670 --> 01:36:45.430
<v Ivan>assassination attempts and other things, which meant that many elected officials

01:36:45.430 --> 01:36:47.810
<v Ivan>in Puerto Rico at much, you know,

01:36:48.190 --> 01:36:50.970
<v Ivan>unlike in the States, that at the governor level,

01:36:51.870 --> 01:36:55.750
<v Ivan>the ace of the governor, et cetera, many of those had police,

01:36:57.090 --> 01:37:04.170
<v Ivan>I mean, they had to sign security details because of how, I mean,

01:37:04.270 --> 01:37:05.890
<v Ivan>these attacks were, I mean,

01:37:06.570 --> 01:37:10.510
<v Ivan>there was a siege in Old San Juan that happened in the 50s, okay,

01:37:10.690 --> 01:37:13.910
<v Ivan>by terrorists seeking to assassinate the governor.

01:37:14.130 --> 01:37:18.290
<v Ivan>It was this bad, taking lawmakers hostage, you know, all of this.

01:37:18.430 --> 01:37:21.650
<v Ivan>We had bombings regularly, a post office.

01:37:21.910 --> 01:37:26.130
<v Ivan>Hell, there was even an attack on an Air Force base in Puerto Rico that destroyed

01:37:26.130 --> 01:37:29.130
<v Ivan>a whole bunch of F-4 Phantoms on a tarmac.

01:37:29.130 --> 01:37:34.250
<v Ivan>So so we had that level of local violence. And I happen to have the governor's

01:37:34.250 --> 01:37:37.790
<v Ivan>daughter was with me at school and she had a sign.

01:37:37.910 --> 01:37:43.670
<v Ivan>I mean, we had assigned police officers that were guarding our school, you know.

01:37:44.030 --> 01:37:51.550
<v Sam>And look, we've we've said before that, you know, given the increasing temperature of

01:37:51.950 --> 01:37:58.690
<v Sam>It is surprising that we haven't had more of this than we have.

01:37:58.830 --> 01:38:00.610
<v Sam>And that's not to say there's been zero.

01:38:00.910 --> 01:38:06.430
<v Sam>You know, there were plenty of attempts. We had the two Donald Trump assassination attempts.

01:38:06.650 --> 01:38:11.310
<v Sam>We had the softball game shooting where Scalise was shot.

01:38:11.470 --> 01:38:15.730
<v Sam>We had Gabby Gifford. Gabby Giffords. We've had plenty.

01:38:16.110 --> 01:38:20.490
<v Sam>We had January 6th. We've had plenty of situations.

01:38:20.490 --> 01:38:22.010
<v Ivan>Oh, but that was a tour.

01:38:22.470 --> 01:38:23.150
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

01:38:23.430 --> 01:38:25.190
<v Ivan>Yeah. What are you talking about?

01:38:25.770 --> 01:38:30.750
<v Sam>That was completely peaceful. You know, we've had a bunch of these events,

01:38:31.030 --> 01:38:39.490
<v Sam>but like, and I may be forgetting some, but there may have been one other fatality.

01:38:39.830 --> 01:38:41.070
<v Ivan>The governor of Michigan plot.

01:38:41.370 --> 01:38:44.650
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. The governor of Michigan plot where they were going to kidnap her.

01:38:46.050 --> 01:38:49.210
<v Sam>But this is the first fatality in a while.

01:38:49.210 --> 01:38:55.110
<v Sam>you know with this kind of violence but the thing is that's important here is

01:38:55.110 --> 01:39:01.470
<v Sam>it does look like once again this is like a lone wolf type guy who is just you

01:39:01.470 --> 01:39:04.550
<v Sam>know but that's how this was a liberal right.

01:39:04.550 --> 01:39:05.530
<v Ivan>He was a he was.

01:39:05.530 --> 01:39:10.870
<v Sam>Oh yeah he was a flaming liberal right oh he's a fame antifa obviously no no

01:39:10.870 --> 01:39:16.930
<v Sam>he was not but like this is the thing with when you're raising the temperature

01:39:16.930 --> 01:39:19.990
<v Sam>like this They call it stochastic violence,

01:39:20.870 --> 01:39:23.070
<v Sam>you know, stochastic terrorism, et cetera.

01:39:23.410 --> 01:39:28.570
<v Sam>It is not some like organized group that's, you know, I mean,

01:39:28.650 --> 01:39:32.230
<v Sam>look, they're all, there are these militias and the night, the,

01:39:32.230 --> 01:39:37.910
<v Sam>the three percenters and the proud boys and all these folks, but those are, yeah.

01:39:38.370 --> 01:39:42.470
<v Sam>And those do have their own risks associated with them and things they could do,

01:39:42.470 --> 01:39:50.810
<v Sam>but the greatest danger and the hardest to combat is just random people who

01:39:50.810 --> 01:39:54.450
<v Sam>get radicalized and go decide they're going to do something.

01:39:55.010 --> 01:39:57.850
<v Sam>And this guy had, you know, he ended up,

01:39:59.510 --> 01:40:03.870
<v Sam>killing two people, the ex-speaker of the house and her husband,

01:40:05.150 --> 01:40:11.990
<v Sam>and injuring two more lawmakers, no, one more lawmaker and his wife who are going to survive.

01:40:12.810 --> 01:40:16.870
<v Sam>Also killed the dog of the one he killed as well, by the way.

01:40:17.410 --> 01:40:19.250
<v Ivan>So, Kristi Noem was not involved here?

01:40:19.670 --> 01:40:25.390
<v Sam>Kristi Noem was not involved. But, you know, he had a list of several dozen people.

01:40:25.390 --> 01:40:28.010
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know she had a list of fucking a lot of people.

01:40:28.010 --> 01:40:32.450
<v Sam>And there were people not just in that state, too. This was in Minnesota.

01:40:32.690 --> 01:40:37.030
<v Sam>He had a whole bunch of Minnesota lawmakers. He had a whole bunch of Minnesota anti,

01:40:37.410 --> 01:40:42.750
<v Sam>not anti-abortion, a whole bunch of Minnesota pro-choice activists who weren't

01:40:42.750 --> 01:40:48.150
<v Sam>lawmakers, also on the list, and then a bunch of lawmakers from outside of Minnesota,

01:40:48.350 --> 01:40:49.830
<v Sam>from neighboring states as well.

01:40:50.350 --> 01:40:53.510
<v Sam>You know, so, you know, he had a big long list.

01:40:53.630 --> 01:41:00.630
<v Sam>And apparently, before he was caught, he went to two more houses from people on his hit list.

01:41:00.750 --> 01:41:01.850
<v Ivan>They weren't home, thank God.

01:41:01.890 --> 01:41:04.690
<v Sam>They weren't home, you know, or this would have been more.

01:41:05.350 --> 01:41:11.010
<v Ivan>So, this is a good advocacy for socialize and get the hell out of the house more often.

01:41:12.490 --> 01:41:16.030
<v Ivan>Might save your life. You got some asshole trying to kill you.

01:41:16.890 --> 01:41:20.710
<v Sam>I guess so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, I don't know.

01:41:21.690 --> 01:41:28.270
<v Ivan>By the way, as my recommendation to you, okay, I don't know about you guys,

01:41:28.310 --> 01:41:32.210
<v Ivan>and my wife gets on me, but number one, okay, you guys have a doorbell.

01:41:32.310 --> 01:41:36.170
<v Ivan>You don't open the fucking door for, you know, you don't know who the fuck it is.

01:41:38.250 --> 01:41:41.450
<v Sam>We've got more fundamental issues with that, right?

01:41:42.990 --> 01:41:44.990
<v Ivan>You should have the door locked.

01:41:45.730 --> 01:41:48.130
<v Sam>Yes, the door should be locked.

01:41:48.130 --> 01:41:52.730
<v Ivan>We should all the doors need to make the argument that i get with my wife you

01:41:52.730 --> 01:41:56.990
<v Ivan>know no she now does it but the arguments that i got listen you need to have

01:41:56.990 --> 01:41:59.470
<v Ivan>your doors locked you know yeah.

01:41:59.470 --> 01:42:09.190
<v Sam>Look look i i mean we we uh conversations are beginning about upgrading security you.

01:42:09.190 --> 01:42:10.470
<v Ivan>Know and.

01:42:10.470 --> 01:42:17.830
<v Sam>And not And because of this shit, you know, not, not, not that we have a specific

01:42:17.830 --> 01:42:20.030
<v Sam>threat right now, but because.

01:42:20.190 --> 01:42:24.930
<v Ivan>But you guys have received threats already that you guys have had investigated.

01:42:25.330 --> 01:42:27.370
<v Sam>My. Yes. They're.

01:42:27.490 --> 01:42:27.810
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:42:28.010 --> 01:42:33.890
<v Sam>Look, the bottom line is any public figure gets stuff all the time. You know. Yeah.

01:42:34.540 --> 01:42:38.840
<v Sam>There was, yes, there was one situation that was actually credible enough that

01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:42.840
<v Sam>was investigated and discussed, but, but like, you know, it was,

01:42:42.940 --> 01:42:47.340
<v Sam>it was, it didn't turn out to be anything, but like any public figure,

01:42:47.820 --> 01:42:49.680
<v Sam>potentially this kind of stuff could happen.

01:42:50.240 --> 01:42:56.440
<v Sam>But my, my wife is an elected representative. It, all it takes is some crazy right now.

01:42:56.660 --> 01:42:59.340
<v Sam>Like, you know, addresses and stuff are public record.

01:42:59.820 --> 01:43:02.840
<v Sam>Like, you know, this, you know, where we live is not a secret.

01:43:03.020 --> 01:43:04.260
<v Sam>If somebody wants to find it out.

01:43:04.260 --> 01:43:07.640
<v Ivan>Except apparently if you're an ICE agent right now, which apparently you can

01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:10.740
<v Ivan>go around completely without any identification,

01:43:11.180 --> 01:43:16.020
<v Ivan>not identify yourself whatsoever, and grab a random person off the street without

01:43:16.020 --> 01:43:20.040
<v Ivan>producing any paperwork to back up while you're grabbing them off the street.

01:43:20.200 --> 01:43:23.140
<v Ivan>Now, that apparently is okay. I don't know if you've noticed.

01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:26.160
<v Ivan>That apparently is fine. Okay?

01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:31.200
<v Ivan>You know, but no. But your information is public. Yeah.

01:43:31.420 --> 01:43:31.560
<v Sam>No.

01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:35.640
<v Ivan>You need to have a security system that works.

01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:37.640
<v Sam>You need to have cameras that works.

01:43:37.900 --> 01:43:41.900
<v Ivan>You need to make sure your doors are locking on a regular basis.

01:43:42.120 --> 01:43:43.880
<v Ivan>Look, which is the drill.

01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:45.640
<v Sam>Conversations are happening about it.

01:43:45.660 --> 01:43:50.780
<v Ivan>I'm giving you the drill because I have lived through this kind of shit, unfortunately, okay?

01:43:51.120 --> 01:43:54.660
<v Ivan>You know, because we've been robbed. We have had people come in.

01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.240
<v Ivan>We have had people put guns to it. You know, so I have dealt with that,

01:43:58.320 --> 01:44:02.200
<v Ivan>which is why I at this age have still and my wife's will we live in Boca.

01:44:02.300 --> 01:44:03.720
<v Ivan>Listen, I don't fucking care.

01:44:03.980 --> 01:44:07.500
<v Ivan>All right. All it takes is one lunatic. OK. All right.

01:44:07.700 --> 01:44:15.220
<v Sam>Yeah. And we're there. We are having conversations about new doors, new alarm systems.

01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:22.020
<v Sam>Like like you said, more more and better camera systems that are installed in

01:44:22.020 --> 01:44:25.880
<v Sam>such like, you know, I've got a little portable ones that I can move around and blah, blah, blah.

01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:28.660
<v Sam>as my wife pointed out someone can just

01:44:28.660 --> 01:44:31.600
<v Sam>snip the cord unplug them yes you know you want one that's

01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:34.820
<v Sam>installed in such a way that it's built in and you can't do that you

01:44:34.820 --> 01:44:38.160
<v Sam>know all of this kind of stuff you know that there are

01:44:38.160 --> 01:44:42.560
<v Sam>you know and you know look we've same thing we're like you know it's a fairly

01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:47.120
<v Sam>decent neighborhood and yeah we had something stolen once in 12 years we had

01:44:47.120 --> 01:44:53.440
<v Sam>something stolen but you know but yeah it's a it's a decent neighborhood it's

01:44:53.440 --> 01:44:55.120
<v Sam>a whatever blah blah blah but all it takes?

01:44:55.300 --> 01:44:59.820
<v Sam>Like you said, one person, especially if they're targeting people.

01:45:00.280 --> 01:45:00.800
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:45:01.120 --> 01:45:05.880
<v Sam>Exactly. Like, it's one thing where it's like you want to deter sort of the

01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:11.020
<v Sam>casual thief who's wandering by and looking for the more vulnerable place, whatever.

01:45:11.260 --> 01:45:15.920
<v Sam>It's a completely different problem if you're worried about somebody that might be targeting.

01:45:16.950 --> 01:45:21.890
<v Sam>And so, yeah, and so like their personal conversations we're having in the family.

01:45:22.090 --> 01:45:31.250
<v Sam>But like I said, I am 100% guaranteeing you all 50 state legislatures and probably

01:45:31.250 --> 01:45:37.010
<v Sam>the Congress as well are reassessing what they are doing for security and deciding,

01:45:37.010 --> 01:45:39.950
<v Sam>is it enough or do we have to beef it up?

01:45:39.950 --> 01:45:44.250
<v Sam>because this one event happened.

01:45:44.930 --> 01:45:48.550
<v Sam>You mentioned the one that happened where they tried to kidnap the governor

01:45:48.550 --> 01:45:52.490
<v Sam>and they did take over the state capitol in that situation.

01:45:54.830 --> 01:46:00.770
<v Sam>And I'm sure this is being reassessed everywhere because the threat level is

01:46:00.770 --> 01:46:09.110
<v Sam>increasing because the tension levels are increasing because the animosity between

01:46:09.110 --> 01:46:12.090
<v Sam>the sides here is increasing as well.

01:46:12.450 --> 01:46:19.370
<v Sam>And because, you know, I mean, bringing up the protests and bringing in the

01:46:19.370 --> 01:46:24.150
<v Sam>National Guard to California and all of this kind of stuff, same thing.

01:46:24.350 --> 01:46:32.250
<v Sam>It's like you are taking the already vast divisions in this country and you

01:46:32.250 --> 01:46:37.470
<v Sam>are driving the sides further apart as we go, not bringing them back together.

01:46:37.870 --> 01:46:44.830
<v Sam>And it becomes harder for both sides to imagine reconciling this gap.

01:46:45.170 --> 01:46:46.530
<v Ivan>Not anytime soon.

01:46:46.770 --> 01:46:49.330
<v Sam>Not anytime soon. And so...

01:46:49.330 --> 01:46:49.410
<v Ivan>No.

01:46:50.070 --> 01:46:51.670
<v Sam>Okay, well, that was fun.

01:46:52.290 --> 01:46:52.890
<v Ivan>Yay!

01:46:54.050 --> 01:46:55.270
<v Sam>Shall we wrap it up?

01:46:55.610 --> 01:46:56.090
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:46:56.810 --> 01:47:02.030
<v Sam>Okay, curmudgeons-corner.com. go see the stuff.

01:47:02.570 --> 01:47:07.510
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01:47:07.970 --> 01:47:12.370
<v Sam>And of course, we've got the Patreon where you can give us money at various levels.

01:47:12.630 --> 01:47:14.390
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01:47:14.390 --> 01:47:18.150
<v Sam>send you a mug, we'll mention you on the show, all that kind of stuff.

01:47:18.190 --> 01:47:22.550
<v Sam>I know, I know, I still owe postcards and mugs to people.

01:47:23.120 --> 01:47:29.780
<v Sam>Ed did get his mug, but I owe two postcards and a mug and I will eventually get to it.

01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:32.800
<v Sam>You know, I've, I've owed these things for months.

01:47:33.240 --> 01:47:36.520
<v Sam>Well, the new mug is for Todd. It was just on a couple of weeks ago,

01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:41.420
<v Sam>but, but I've, I've owned, I've owed these postcards for like months and months and months now.

01:47:42.060 --> 01:47:43.300
<v Sam>Eventually you will, you will

01:47:43.300 --> 01:47:48.520
<v Sam>get your postcards, but importantly at $2 a month or more on the Patreon,

01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:52.920
<v Sam>or if you just ask us, we will invite you there to Curmudgeons Corner Slack,

01:47:53.100 --> 01:47:58.440
<v Sam>where Yvonne and I and a whole bunch of listeners are chatting and sharing links throughout the week.

01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:04.120
<v Sam>So, Yvonne, what's a highlight from this week's Curmudgeons Corner Slack that

01:48:04.120 --> 01:48:05.700
<v Sam>we have not talked about on the show?

01:48:05.700 --> 01:48:11.540
<v Ivan>Ah, the most important news of the week, which we did not cover here.

01:48:11.700 --> 01:48:19.080
<v Ivan>And we need to make sure that our listeners and viewers are well-informed because

01:48:19.080 --> 01:48:24.980
<v Ivan>this could be an opportunity to save money for you as the Trump Organization

01:48:24.980 --> 01:48:30.020
<v Ivan>announces a mobile plan with a $499 smartphone.

01:48:30.480 --> 01:48:37.340
<v Ivan>The Trump Organization unveiled a mobile phone plan and a $499 smartphone that

01:48:37.340 --> 01:48:39.100
<v Ivan>is set to launch later this year.

01:48:39.320 --> 01:48:43.660
<v Ivan>The new venture is the example of Donald Trump's business empire capitalizing

01:48:43.660 --> 01:48:45.760
<v Ivan>association with a sitting president.

01:48:46.020 --> 01:48:49.780
<v Ivan>Apparently, you can get the new service from Trump Mobile.

01:48:49.780 --> 01:48:59.340
<v Ivan>We'll offer a $47.45 per month plan that includes unlimited talk and data,

01:48:59.540 --> 01:49:05.920
<v Ivan>as well as roadside assistance and a telehealth and pharmacy benefit,

01:49:06.140 --> 01:49:07.500
<v Ivan>Sam, according to its website.

01:49:07.500 --> 01:49:12.580
<v Ivan>The company, owned by President Donald Trump, also announced it will sell a

01:49:12.580 --> 01:49:21.380
<v Ivan>T1 smartphone, which appears to feature a gold-colored metal case etched with an American flag, Sam.

01:49:22.040 --> 01:49:29.540
<v Sam>I mean, but, but Yvonne, the most critical thing, right? This phone is 100% made in America, right?

01:49:31.860 --> 01:49:33.060
<v Ivan>Oh, no.

01:49:35.300 --> 01:49:38.880
<v Ivan>But they said they will get there at some point.

01:49:39.160 --> 01:49:42.780
<v Sam>But we have all these Americans clamoring to build phones.

01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:49.480
<v Ivan>Yeah, because they say, hey, our made in the USA T1 phone is available pre-order now.

01:49:49.480 --> 01:49:52.600
<v Ivan>The reality is that, as usual with

01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:59.460
<v Ivan>them, they say that, and this is like pre-ordering a Tesla semi-truck.

01:50:01.040 --> 01:50:02.840
<v Ivan>You may wait that long.

01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:04.720
<v Sam>How long has that one been now?

01:50:05.120 --> 01:50:09.100
<v Ivan>Just like those seven or eight years we've been waiting for this Tesla semi.

01:50:09.140 --> 01:50:10.780
<v Sam>They do say made in America, Yvonne?

01:50:11.180 --> 01:50:14.260
<v Ivan>They say that they will eventually make it.

01:50:14.420 --> 01:50:18.160
<v Ivan>So there was an interview with, I think, one of the Trump moron kids.

01:50:18.160 --> 01:50:21.520
<v Ivan>I don't know, whichever, one of the, you know, one of those idiots,

01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:25.380
<v Ivan>whatever, it doesn't matter, they're fungible, in my view, anyway.

01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.040
<v Ivan>One of them, they asked him about, hey, so is the phone made in America?

01:50:29.240 --> 01:50:33.420
<v Ivan>Well, not yet, but eventually, Sam.

01:50:34.080 --> 01:50:36.500
<v Sam>Eventually. Yeah. Okay.

01:50:36.660 --> 01:50:40.620
<v Ivan>So are we pre-ordering our T1 phone?

01:50:41.540 --> 01:50:42.840
<v Sam>How can you not?

01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:49.200
<v Ivan>You know, I, you know, if I could, it's $500.

01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:54.540
<v Ivan>That's such a waste. Because I would like to get one and take like a sledgehammer

01:50:54.540 --> 01:50:58.320
<v Ivan>and just beat it to pieces and like tape, you know, record that video.

01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:03.220
<v Sam>See, here's the thing, though. You do that, you've still paid them the $500.

01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:09.140
<v Sam>You've still paid them. So you have to, if you're going to do something like that.

01:51:09.140 --> 01:51:13.420
<v Ivan>That have some kind of like a repair breakage warranty, maybe,

01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:14.620
<v Ivan>where I could get my money.

01:51:14.660 --> 01:51:20.780
<v Sam>No, no, no. No, it's, well, maybe. No, you have to have some way where you get

01:51:20.780 --> 01:51:25.280
<v Sam>it from somebody who paid for it, but you don't. Or something.

01:51:25.900 --> 01:51:26.200
<v Ivan>Right.

01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:28.160
<v Sam>Or, you know, or.

01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:32.660
<v Ivan>Or I find a used one on eBay for like 10 cents. After somebody,

01:51:32.820 --> 01:51:35.660
<v Ivan>ah, yeah, because look, somebody will buy it.

01:51:36.220 --> 01:51:41.420
<v Ivan>They'll realize what a piece of shit. they'll put it up for sale at 10 cents

01:51:41.420 --> 01:51:46.220
<v Ivan>on the dollar if that, okay, and then we take that one and smash it hmm.

01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:49.880
<v Sam>Maybe I don't know, yeah, I,

01:51:50.740 --> 01:51:54.400
<v Sam>You somehow, you have to arrange the whole scenario.

01:51:54.660 --> 01:51:55.980
<v Ivan>So it doesn't cost me money.

01:51:56.360 --> 01:52:02.400
<v Sam>No, it's not that it doesn't cost you money. The important part is you're not giving them money.

01:52:02.700 --> 01:52:06.900
<v Ivan>Right, right, right. So they don't get money. We need to get a phone without

01:52:06.900 --> 01:52:10.300
<v Ivan>us having to pay for it, but not committing something illegal.

01:52:10.900 --> 01:52:13.680
<v Sam>Oh, that puts constraints. Yeah.

01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:19.920
<v Sam>Like, yeah, I was thinking, you know, stealing. But, you know, you were right.

01:52:20.740 --> 01:52:22.580
<v Sam>We should not commit felonies.

01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:29.300
<v Ivan>Some kind of trial. I say, hey, guys, listen, send us a, listen, we are a podcast.

01:52:29.480 --> 01:52:32.120
<v Ivan>We're extremely conservative podcast.

01:52:34.060 --> 01:52:40.880
<v Ivan>And, you know, we want to review this phone for our audience so you can send us a free sample.

01:52:41.580 --> 01:52:46.040
<v Sam>Yes, that's it. Yes. Okay. You get right on that, Yvonne.

01:52:46.540 --> 01:52:51.940
<v Ivan>There you go. Say, yeah, we are an ultra right-wing podcast.

01:52:53.180 --> 01:52:58.520
<v Ivan>We are all in on Trump. We are on the Trump train. We'll drive the Trump train.

01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:00.160
<v Ivan>Just send us a free phone.

01:53:01.400 --> 01:53:02.120
<v Sam>Okay, fine.

01:53:02.320 --> 01:53:05.280
<v Ivan>This is how they operate. I don't know if you think you realize this, right?

01:53:05.360 --> 01:53:11.060
<v Ivan>This is exactly, I mean, I just felt slimy saying that, but I realize that that's the way they work.

01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:18.820
<v Sam>Right, because, yes, yes. If your bottom line, like Donald Trump,

01:53:19.140 --> 01:53:26.480
<v Sam>is do whatever makes me money, makes me a winner, and it doesn't matter what

01:53:26.480 --> 01:53:30.220
<v Sam>that thing is, then if you can identify,

01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:37.240
<v Sam>hey, it would be more lucrative to become a conservative influencer than a liberal

01:53:37.240 --> 01:53:39.200
<v Sam>influencer, then you just do it.

01:53:39.380 --> 01:53:39.860
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:53:39.860 --> 01:53:45.900
<v Sam>Because like what you say doesn't matter. It's just instrumental to get what you want.

01:53:46.480 --> 01:53:51.380
<v Ivan>There is a car guy that does car YouTube that has been very successful last

01:53:51.380 --> 01:53:52.680
<v Ivan>five or six years, seven years.

01:53:52.820 --> 01:53:57.540
<v Ivan>And some people are trying to dig into his background and realize that and and

01:53:57.540 --> 01:54:01.280
<v Ivan>he admitted and he didn't want to talk about it because he's ashamed of it.

01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:04.660
<v Ivan>That for a period of time, this is exactly what he was doing online.

01:54:04.660 --> 01:54:09.680
<v Ivan>He was some kind of conservative troll and there was some way that he was harvesting

01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:14.640
<v Ivan>clicks and harvesting those clicks made him money by just posting rage bait

01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:18.980
<v Ivan>and whatever whatnot and getting the interactions and that made him money and he did that.

01:54:18.980 --> 01:54:22.540
<v Ivan>but it was very clear that it was brought up and somebody said,

01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:24.280
<v Ivan>and I'm like, you know what?

01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:30.080
<v Ivan>Yeah, I did that. And I, I, I don't want to talk about that because it,

01:54:30.160 --> 01:54:33.260
<v Ivan>but it's so like, again, he, he, he is a shame.

01:54:33.420 --> 01:54:37.580
<v Ivan>He, it's, you can tell he was ashamed of having done that, but it was at a point

01:54:37.580 --> 01:54:40.640
<v Ivan>where I think he admitted he was, he was broke and it was like,

01:54:40.640 --> 01:54:44.240
<v Ivan>Oh look, I could make money out of this. Great. You know, I could make a living.

01:54:44.700 --> 01:54:48.680
<v Ivan>And so he was doing that, but then yeah, he, he realized it, you know, like,

01:54:50.200 --> 01:54:53.840
<v Ivan>But I am, you know, I have more scruples than that.

01:54:53.980 --> 01:54:58.440
<v Ivan>I don't care how fucked up broke I am. I'm not going to stoop to that level of that.

01:54:58.580 --> 01:55:02.160
<v Ivan>I could do quite a lot of other things that could earn me a wage that don't

01:55:02.160 --> 01:55:05.700
<v Ivan>stoop to being a, basically a scumbag.

01:55:06.460 --> 01:55:14.680
<v Sam>But Yvonne, look, the bottom line here is there are a lot of dumb people out there.

01:55:14.860 --> 01:55:19.300
<v Sam>And the best way to make money is figure out how to separate them from their

01:55:19.300 --> 01:55:21.540
<v Sam>money. In one way or another.

01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:22.340
<v Ivan>Is that P.T. Barnum?

01:55:23.020 --> 01:55:27.000
<v Sam>It's P.T. Barnum was close to that statement. I think you're right.

01:55:27.080 --> 01:55:30.600
<v Sam>That was probably him separating a fool from their money or whatever.

01:55:31.380 --> 01:55:36.660
<v Sam>And just in general, fraud is extremely lucrative so long as you don't get caught.

01:55:37.280 --> 01:55:38.480
<v Ivan>Ah, that's a weird one.

01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:39.400
<v Sam>And by the way.

01:55:39.420 --> 01:55:43.120
<v Ivan>Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. No, no, no. Even if you get caught,

01:55:43.420 --> 01:55:48.060
<v Ivan>what you got to do is make a hefty donation to the Donald J.

01:55:48.060 --> 01:55:52.820
<v Ivan>Trump's super PAC and make sure it's a federal crime and you're.

01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:58.800
<v Sam>You're, I was, I was about to say effectively Donald Trump's administration

01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:05.500
<v Sam>has legalized white collar crime because they are not prosecuting it.

01:56:05.620 --> 01:56:10.240
<v Sam>They are not investigating it. If you do get caught, he'll pardon you for the right donation.

01:56:10.700 --> 01:56:14.060
<v Sam>Uh, Menendez went to jail this week. It's a, it's a miracle.

01:56:14.260 --> 01:56:17.440
<v Sam>He's not pardoned yet. I guess he just hasn't given the right donation.

01:56:17.860 --> 01:56:20.420
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm like wondering, I mean, when they, I mean, I'm like.

01:56:20.420 --> 01:56:24.520
<v Sam>Fully doesn't he have any of those gold bars left? Come on. Come on.

01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:30.360
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, I am shocked, shocked still to this moment that Menendez has not been part,

01:56:30.890 --> 01:56:33.590
<v Ivan>Anyway, we digress. We were trying to end the show.

01:56:33.930 --> 01:56:38.070
<v Sam>Oh, yes. End the show. Okay. Thanks, everybody, for listening.

01:56:38.250 --> 01:56:41.950
<v Sam>We'll talk to you next week. Have a great week. Stay safe. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:56:42.810 --> 01:56:46.050
<v Sam>We just had Juneteenth. Happy Juneteenth, I guess.

01:56:46.270 --> 01:56:50.350
<v Ivan>Happy Juneteenth. Unless you're Donald Trump who said, I don't know, something just—.

01:56:50.350 --> 01:56:53.030
<v Sam>There are too many holidays where people don't work. Go fucking work,

01:56:53.090 --> 01:56:56.010
<v Sam>bitches. People need to work more. I didn't get the day off.

01:56:56.390 --> 01:56:58.970
<v Ivan>I did. My company gave the day off.

01:56:59.190 --> 01:57:05.230
<v Sam>I am jealous. But apparently we have too many days off. We should all be working more.

01:57:05.470 --> 01:57:09.350
<v Sam>Be grateful for what we get. You know, so anyway.

01:57:10.250 --> 01:57:14.910
<v Sam>Okay. Did I say goodbye? Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next week. Goodbye.

01:57:15.330 --> 01:57:15.810
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:57:45.630 --> 01:57:49.830
<v Sam>You know, a few times lately when I've seen headlines about Bannon,

01:57:50.210 --> 01:57:53.250
<v Sam>I've misread it and thought they were talking about Barron.

01:57:53.670 --> 01:57:55.510
<v Ivan>Oh, well, yeah.

01:57:55.750 --> 01:58:00.450
<v Sam>Now, Barron Trump is turning into quite the scumbag himself as he grows up,

01:58:00.450 --> 01:58:04.070
<v Sam>apparently, but, you know, I guess you can't avoid it in that family.

01:58:04.150 --> 01:58:06.070
<v Ivan>Well, he has been indoctrinated, you know, from an early age,

01:58:06.210 --> 01:58:07.990
<v Ivan>so unfortunately, I mean, yeah.

01:58:08.550 --> 01:58:11.970
<v Sam>But, you know, oh well, Baron, Bannon, same damn thing, I guess.

01:58:12.350 --> 01:58:12.710
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:58:12.990 --> 01:58:15.150
<v Sam>Okay, see you later, Yvonne. Goodbye.

01:58:15.670 --> 01:58:16.110
<v Ivan>Bye.

