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<v Sam>Hello.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>Hi.

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<v Sam>Let's get rid of my extra things. Okay, turn off your sound, Alex.

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<v Ivan>Your shirt has a logo of... What is that?

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<v Sam>Whatever brand of shirt it is.

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<v Ivan>Is it?

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>It's not something from a movie or TV show?

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<v Sam>No.

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<v Ivan>It looks like something from a movie or TV show.

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<v Sam>I'll read that. No. No. I'll find it. Hold on.

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<v Ivan>I think you're wrong.

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<v Sam>No, I am right. It is a generic, like, shirt thing.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Sam>That I got one time when I was like, maybe I'll actually exercise.

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<v Sam>Which, of course, I've never done. but I am all completely sweaty because I

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<v Sam>did ugh okay here you go let's see here I'll actually use the,

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<v Sam>chat inside the where is the maybe I won't there's a chat the chat inside Riverside?

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<v Sam>Wow yeah Riverside the studio

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<v Sam>chat here we go there are multiple chats there you

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<v Sam>go um and meanwhile

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<v Sam>let's make sure the live stream is going hello

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<v Sam>live stream people that is going although our my signal is sucky but okay let's

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<v Sam>see did it do this yes and ah blah blah blah of course i was gonna do an image search.

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<v Ivan>But as I started, as I went to take a screenshot, your image turned completely fuzzy on my end.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I, I.

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<v Sam>I was noticing that on the the youtube thingy maybe it'll get better maybe it

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<v Sam>won't who knows shall we start.

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<v Ivan>Yeah okay.

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<v Sam>Did you look at the amazon link is that.

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<v Ivan>Not yet hold on uh i was i was seeing what what new came on the slack okay here

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<v Ivan>we go all right let's see of course it's not clickable okay let's not use this

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<v Ivan>chat ever again okay all right shall we it's a stupid thing i'll.

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<v Sam>I'll text it to you instead.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. I copied and pasted it now.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Nellius Men's Dry Fit Mesh Athletic Shirt.

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<v Ivan>One word that we know that we shouldn't mix together with Sam is the word athletic.

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<v Sam>I think when I bought these, like...

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<v Ivan>You were under the delusion.

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<v Sam>Well, it was May 2018, the last time I bought these. I did buy it a couple times.

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<v Sam>So I have like six of these shirts or something. But I did actually go to the

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<v Sam>gym like a handful of times.

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<v Ivan>Oh, okay. Okay.

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<v Sam>And then I didn't.

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<v Ivan>And then you.

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<v Sam>But I have worn them when I was out of regular t-shirts.

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<v Ivan>Ah, I see.

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<v Sam>So anyway, shall we go?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay, here we go. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Ivan>Blah, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Sam>I'll see you next time.

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<v Sam>welcome to curmudgeon's corner for saturday

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<v Sam>june 7th 2025 it

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<v Sam>is 1740 utc as we're starting to record this show so here we are here we are

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<v Sam>together again together together again isn't there a song we're together yeah

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<v Sam>there is but i can't come up with it right now yeah i don't know you know,

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<v Sam>and everyone should be glad that we can't.

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<v Sam>So, yes, I guess we'll do our usual.

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<v Sam>We'll start out like with non-newsy stuff and then we'll get more newsy as the day progresses.

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<v Sam>So I don't know. It's it's a day. I'm,

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<v Sam>You know, I could just go back to sleep right now. I'd be fine with that.

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<v Sam>You know, it's just a thing.

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<v Ivan>I mean, nothing's happened this week.

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<v Sam>Of course, nothing at all. Are we going to go into our usual joke of how nothing

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<v Sam>has happened when something has happened?

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<v Ivan>It's calm and relaxed. I mean, what joke? What are you talking about?

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<v Ivan>You know, what happened? You know, it's one of those standard, substandard weeks.

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<v Sam>Right. Okay. So, I don't know.

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<v Ivan>You know, my week, let me put it this way. Not just the stuff that happened.

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<v Ivan>Look, I should have known Monday how this week was going to be insane. Okay?

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<v Ivan>Because my week started off with insanity. okay because i had a business trip i oh.

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<v Sam>I believe i heard a little bit about this.

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<v Ivan>I dutifully prepared for this business trip

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<v Ivan>i got to the airport on time and

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<v Ivan>as i am sitting there waiting to board the flight i i look at my at my phone

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<v Ivan>at my emails i hadn't looked at them because i was i was taking care of a whole

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<v Ivan>bunch of other things and whatnot i remember i i i was like you know,

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<v Ivan>getting chats about this and that,

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<v Ivan>stuff going on, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Ivan>I look at my work emails and I see that the people I'm meeting with tomorrow

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<v Ivan>have sent me a thing saying that, oh, we're canceling the meeting.

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<v Ivan>This is as I am at the boarding area for the flight. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And so now I had some other business to tend to, but that was the key part of my trip. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But there were other things. Okay. So I'm like, look,

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<v Ivan>Well, I'm about the board. You know, the other things weren't as cooked as this.

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<v Ivan>This was very important. I'm like, let me just, whatever. We'll go anyway. All right.

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<v Ivan>Our aircraft that is supposed to take us gets there. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And soon after it gets there, a big cluster of thunderstorms rolls in to Miami. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. And as happens sometimes in that part of the world.

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<v Ivan>You know, you get some passing thunderstorms on a regular basis.

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<v Ivan>This is the more, not the normal one.

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<v Ivan>This was like far heavier, broader, and more intense.

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<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, that system later was seen as possibility for tropical

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<v Ivan>development, like later. Okay?

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<v Sam>I remember seeing an NHC map that had like a little yellow blob in that area.

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<v Ivan>And it was that thunderstorm system, okay, that developed very swiftly, okay?

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<v Ivan>And so thunderstorms roll in a couple of things.

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<v Ivan>What things happen? Number one, well, all takeoffs and landings were stopped

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<v Ivan>because this was that bad that they had to stop all traffic, okay?

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<v Ivan>The ramp gets closed, so all the employees have to shelter in place.

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<v Ivan>I mean, you can see the thunder and lightning, like, rolling in really bad.

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<v Ivan>Okay, so flight's delayed. I've had this happen before. I mean,

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<v Ivan>you know, this has happened. It's caused a delay, and we're usually,

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<v Ivan>you know, on our way late or whatever. So I wait. We wait, wait.

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<v Ivan>One of the annoying things, and I've seen this with other airlines,

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<v Ivan>not just American, that the updates that they put on departure time are not helpful, okay?

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<v Ivan>Because the system keeps automatically

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<v Ivan>saying, oh, we didn't leave at 2.30. Oh, we'll leave at 2.45.

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<v Ivan>2.45 for a sign. Oh, no, we'll leave at 3.

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<v Ivan>Oh, the computer, uh-uh. No, 3.15. I'm like, look.

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<v Sam>It's being optimistic, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>I mean, we haven't even boarded the fucking plane. How the fuck are we leaving in 15 minutes, okay?

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<v Ivan>All right, this is not happening, okay, in any way, stretch, or form.

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<v Ivan>So updates keep rolling around. At some point, I'm hungry.

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<v Ivan>Thankfully, right across from the gate, there was a nice restaurant.

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<v Ivan>So I went over to the nice restaurant to have a meal, okay, got something,

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<v Ivan>whatever. And then as I finish my meal and I walk back to the gate at around

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<v Ivan>five o'clock, they cancel the flight. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And this is as I saw people actually in the ramp working because the storms had stopped.

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<v Ivan>But they they they cancel the flight.

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<v Ivan>Now, I must admit, I had not looked at how bad the situation was in terms of diversions.

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<v Ivan>I realized later that, holy shit, I mean, they diverted everything to like,

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<v Ivan>I mean, all the international flights coming from Europe got sent to Orlando.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>I spoke to someone I know over there that works at the airport and they told

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<v Ivan>me, listen, we got all of a sudden, I had to work an 18, she had to work an 18 hour shift.

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<v Ivan>Okay. At Orlando, because so many flights from Europe that they didn't expect came in.

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<v Ivan>that they had to handle all of a sudden, okay? And they sent them to Palm Beach

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<v Ivan>and they sent them to everywhere.

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<v Ivan>And so when they canceled the flight, I'm like, look, my meeting got canceled, okay?

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<v Ivan>You know, my flight gets canceled. So I call, you know, so I call our travel

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<v Ivan>agency and I just said, listen, just cancel the hotel.

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<v Ivan>Don't even try to rebook me. I saw the next flight to San Juan also got canceled.

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<v Ivan>There was a line at the airport that I'm not exaggerating, probably was almost

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<v Ivan>a mile long of people trying to get assistance.

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<v Ivan>OK, all right. Which is particularly insane.

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<v Ivan>I think I'm like, guys, I'm like at this point getting into that stupid line.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>It's just there is no point. Just just just whatever.

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<v Ivan>you know just don't get a dislike call up

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<v Ivan>do something whatever so which is what i did i mean

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<v Ivan>i called our travel agency i told just cancel everything cancel it's okay

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<v Ivan>as a little car you want me to rebook you nah listen i

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<v Ivan>gotta figure out what the fuck's going on you canceled my

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<v Ivan>meeting whatever so then i go back down to get baggage claim because i i check

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<v Ivan>my bags i i hate carrying my bag so like let me try to get my bag well no bags

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<v Ivan>listen it's gonna take eight hours to unsnarl the bag mess that has been created right now.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, ah, fuck that. Look, I'll put a claim.

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<v Ivan>And I don't know, some of the people don't understand how this process works,

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<v Ivan>even the employees. And I was just like,

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<v Ivan>okay just they'll send me the bag oh no no they won't do that

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<v Ivan>i'm like look whatever i know they'll send me the back to

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<v Ivan>the house whatever so i pulled in the claim whatever put

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<v Ivan>it in the system got in my car i went home and unfortunately

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<v Ivan>at rush hour which basically with the storms the rain even though the the the

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<v Ivan>thunderstorm part itself was passed the rain had not ceased okay for hours and

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<v Ivan>hours all the way driving home it was pouring rain it took me two hours to drive home okay all right.

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<v Ivan>How bad the the weather was so i

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<v Ivan>go to check you know i i didn't

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<v Ivan>expect to find out anything on my about my bag that night

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<v Ivan>and i'm like okay next day let me see where

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<v Ivan>the hell the bag is and i track the the the

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<v Ivan>track it with the with the little tracking number should now

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<v Ivan>now they all have this air tag tracking thing

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<v Ivan>i'm gonna get a fucking air tag to track the bag because all

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<v Ivan>the airlines now support it as well in order to find your backpack

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<v Ivan>right well i checked the next day my my

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<v Ivan>flight's in puerto rico they put it on the first flight in the

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<v Ivan>morning to puerto rico because your back still went yeah

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<v Ivan>my back still went because and actually the airline was trying to be helpful

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<v Ivan>because they figured hey this guy needed to get there i'm sure he'll get on

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<v Ivan>another flight let's just send him the bag over there let's get get his bag

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<v Ivan>over there so he's got his luggage when he gets there well no i i didn't and

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<v Ivan>so then i call american and i'm like guys.

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<v Ivan>You sent my bag well we were trying to get it

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<v Ivan>for you to get because they get there and i'm like yeah oh no

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<v Ivan>you're right okay well can you bring it back yes we'll

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<v Ivan>bring the back back so this was the

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<v Ivan>bag i checked it in on monday i did not get

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<v Ivan>the bag back until thursday now

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<v Ivan>they did deliver it like as i expected to my

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<v Ivan>house i did not have to go to the airport to go get it i

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<v Ivan>don't understand why well you actually it's they do

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<v Ivan>have this very nice service you know whatever you put in your

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<v Ivan>information and some guy just came in and brought it

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<v Ivan>all the way to my house so i didn't have to do that but basically

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<v Ivan>i i should have known as my with all the shit that went wrong in the week and

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<v Ivan>a whole bunch of other things that work where all of a sudden And we had just

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<v Ivan>things that I had planned in one way and everything went sideways.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, you know, this is just an omen to all how our week as a nation has gone.

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<v Sam>Oh, an omen. Yes.

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<v Ivan>Yes. It just, I mean, you know, I don't think that as a country we have ever

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<v Ivan>had a spectacle between our president and a key advisor.

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<v Ivan>In the way that it happened this week in public. This has never happened, right? I'm not wrong.

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<v Ivan>I mean, has this ever happened like this? With a key advisor.

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<v Sam>Well, like this. With threats.

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<v Ivan>Probably not. With threats and insults and threats and, you know,

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<v Ivan>just, I mean, vicious attacks.

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<v Ivan>attacks, including attacks of accusing the other guy of pedophilia,

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<v Ivan>of participating in a pedophilia ring, which apparently is a thing for Elon.

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<v Sam>Well, he just said he was in the files. He didn't say in what capacity.

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<v Ivan>Oh, yes. He just meant it in a good way. It was in a positive way. Yes.

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<v Ivan>It's going to come out that he's in the files in a positive way.

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<v Ivan>He was the savior of the children. Well, that's why.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>That's why that's why Elon mentioned him, you know, prominently,

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<v Ivan>of course, he's the savior. Sam, I forgot. Yes.

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<v Ivan>I mean, he's you know, that's right. He's such a kind man.

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<v Sam>Yes. So undoubtedly, Trump versus Musk will be one of our main topics as we

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<v Sam>proceed on this show. I can't imagine avoiding it.

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<v Ivan>It's just that what the fuck? I mean, everything is, Sam,

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<v Ivan>you know, look, if we scripted a movie of this shit,

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<v Ivan>listen, we've said this before, but even more today, if we had written a script

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<v Ivan>15 years ago, describing the situation for a movie about the presidency,

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<v Ivan>we would have been laughed out of the, you know, out of the studio.

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<v Ivan>I was like, you guys are out of your minds. It's ridiculous.

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<v Ivan>They're never going to happen.

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<v Sam>Yes. I mean, we have mocked before sort of how off the rails the later seasons of House of Cards went.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>And we're getting in that zone, you know?

00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:53.250
<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>And we certainly are well past, like, things that happened in West Wing, you know?

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<v Ivan>Oh!

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<v Sam>Yes, anyway. Ah, so I have one thought that's just a riff off what you said

00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:11.310
<v Sam>on your travel situation before I get to my movie, which is this.

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<v Sam>You mentioned your rush hour escape from the airport back home.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>As our loyal listeners know, I have for a long time now, we have been required

00:17:26.090 --> 00:17:29.030
<v Sam>at my employer to go back into the office five days a week.

00:17:30.190 --> 00:17:33.010
<v Sam>It was three days a week for a while, and then now it's five days.

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<v Ivan>Let me ask you a question. Have you gotten used to it now?

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<v Sam>Hell no.

00:17:37.910 --> 00:17:38.350
<v Ivan>No?

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<v Sam>No. Okay. Every single time I do it, I'm swearing at myself the whole damn trip back and forth.

00:17:46.450 --> 00:17:51.030
<v Ivan>Okay. You know, because I went through, the reason I say that is because I went through this.

00:17:51.170 --> 00:17:57.030
<v Ivan>Now, what happened is that I changed, not that my employer changed their minds. I changed jobs.

00:17:57.250 --> 00:17:57.490
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Back in 2010. And I went from HP, where I worked from home for several years,

00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:11.930
<v Ivan>back to an office environment that not only did I have to go to the office five

00:18:11.930 --> 00:18:13.850
<v Ivan>days a week, I had to be there at 8 a.m.

00:18:14.430 --> 00:18:21.070
<v Sam>Well, thank God I don't have that, at least. I have been attempting recently

00:18:21.070 --> 00:18:24.250
<v Sam>to try to be there closer to nine.

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<v Sam>And here's where I say, like, whatever has been going on, the last two to three

00:18:33.890 --> 00:18:37.770
<v Sam>weeks, traffic has gotten significantly worse.

00:18:38.050 --> 00:18:41.210
<v Sam>And I don't know what changed, okay?

00:18:41.770 --> 00:18:45.290
<v Ivan>Some other companies started mandating people to go back to the office?

00:18:45.610 --> 00:18:50.730
<v Sam>Probably. I hadn't read that news story, but probably something like that.

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<v Sam>I, you know, but here's the deal.

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<v Sam>Like, prior to maybe three weeks ago, the trip in...

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<v Sam>I'd say, like I've said on a show before, if I go at like two in the morning

00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:12.160
<v Sam>when there's no traffic, it's about a 35 minute door to door drive. Okay.

00:19:12.700 --> 00:19:16.520
<v Sam>You know, if I was Yvonne, I could make it in less.

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<v Ivan>How many miles is it?

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<v Sam>About 25.

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<v Ivan>Oh shit. Yeah. I'd make it in less.

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<v Sam>Now, now the beginning and end of that is not highway, but like the bulk of it doesn't matter.

00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:32.240
<v Ivan>I'm, shit, I could tear it a lot less than that.

00:19:32.840 --> 00:19:41.360
<v Sam>Yes, now, with me meticulously following speed limits and traffic laws, takes about 35, okay?

00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:41.600
<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>With no traffic. Now, the actual, like, my morning experience going in was probably

00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:54.820
<v Sam>typically between 45 minutes and an hour, okay?

00:19:55.020 --> 00:19:55.560
<v Ivan>Not terrible.

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<v Sam>Unless, you could be guaranteed, If it was raining or otherwise bad weather,

00:20:03.380 --> 00:20:08.680
<v Sam>it would instantly add at least 20 minutes to it, maybe more. Okay?

00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.200
<v Sam>And if there were accidents along the way, even more. So, like,

00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:15.080
<v Sam>it could spike up to as high as two hours.

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<v Sam>But that was rare under certain conditions.

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<v Sam>And my trip back would typically be around an hour.

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<v Sam>Because my trip back would typically... And part of this was the morning,

00:20:28.760 --> 00:20:35.380
<v Sam>like, I would go in a little bit later, and there'd be a little bit less traffic in the morning.

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<v Sam>But anyway, the last three weeks, consistently, both morning and evening commutes,

00:20:45.260 --> 00:20:50.500
<v Sam>closer to 90 minutes and sometimes longer in, in both directions.

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<v Ivan>Wow.

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<v Sam>Even when there's like good weather, no obvious accidents, you know, whatever.

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<v Sam>And that has been, and, and,

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<v Sam>you know, part of it, I mentioned, I was trying to get in a little bit earlier

00:21:05.180 --> 00:21:11.660
<v Sam>that undoubtedly is part of it because I am closer to the, the big bulk of the

00:21:11.660 --> 00:21:14.340
<v Sam>traffic going through the snake's digestive system.

00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:20.400
<v Sam>But it's not all that. Because even when I've gone in a little bit later, it's still...

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<v Ivan>At 90 minutes, has it not made you reconsider taking the rail option to go into the city?

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<v Sam>No. Because every... I have tried this. Here's the thing.

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<v Sam>First of all, for me to get from where I am to the closest rail option is already

00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:41.160
<v Sam>like 40 minutes out of that commute.

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<v Ivan>It's 40 minutes? That far?

00:21:44.820 --> 00:21:49.340
<v Sam>Well, during the traffic, it would be a lot faster if it wasn't.

00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:55.120
<v Sam>But I would have to get past a chunk of that traffic to get to the rail.

00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:55.760
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:21:57.980 --> 00:22:04.740
<v Sam>Second, I tried the light rail when they opened the closest stations to me.

00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:05.560
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:22:06.540 --> 00:22:10.640
<v Sam>Right after it opened, within two to three weeks of it opening. Okay.

00:22:11.470 --> 00:22:17.050
<v Sam>Parking was no problem whatsoever. I have subsequently heard that the parking

00:22:17.050 --> 00:22:22.290
<v Sam>garage there fills up by like 7 a.m., maybe even earlier.

00:22:22.530 --> 00:22:22.810
<v Ivan>No.

00:22:22.910 --> 00:22:23.170
<v Sam>Okay.

00:22:23.350 --> 00:22:23.770
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:22:23.830 --> 00:22:26.290
<v Sam>Well, that makes it not. So I can't park and ride there either.

00:22:26.290 --> 00:22:28.210
<v Sam>I would have to find some other way.

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<v Sam>But even when I did that, once I got to the platform, my time into the city

00:22:37.590 --> 00:22:40.790
<v Sam>was still at least that hour and a half.

00:22:40.790 --> 00:22:44.370
<v Sam>And I've already burned 30 minutes plus to get there.

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<v Sam>And once I get to the train station in the city, I then have to walk to my office,

00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:50.810
<v Sam>which is another 20 minute walk.

00:22:51.550 --> 00:22:57.290
<v Ivan>It's not even really, you know, I would have, I would have assumed it's more every convenient.

00:22:57.490 --> 00:23:00.790
<v Ivan>I've done, because the reason I mentioned it, I've gotten, you know,

00:23:00.890 --> 00:23:06.990
<v Ivan>so like we've got, there is a, there are two rail options now to go from Boca

00:23:06.990 --> 00:23:09.810
<v Ivan>Raton into, into Miami downtown. Okay.

00:23:10.410 --> 00:23:15.210
<v Ivan>Both of them during rush hour, if I went, if I had to go regularly,

00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:20.710
<v Ivan>basically would be meet or beat the time it would take me by driving.

00:23:20.710 --> 00:23:25.750
<v Sam>Every, I have over the years, I have tried the light rail. I have tried buses.

00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:32.830
<v Sam>I have, I have tried every combination of the above that I can try, have figured out.

00:23:33.030 --> 00:23:36.270
<v Sam>Every time it seems like a new option is available, I have tried it.

00:23:36.630 --> 00:23:46.630
<v Sam>And the, the, every single one, the door to door time is significantly longer than the drive time.

00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:53.850
<v Sam>the one advantage there is one advantage which is i can sit there and i can

00:23:53.850 --> 00:23:59.750
<v Sam>go back to sleep right i can sit there and read i can do something else i'm

00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:00.990
<v Sam>not going to sit there and work,

00:24:01.630 --> 00:24:04.710
<v Sam>but i i'm i can potentially relax if you had.

00:24:04.710 --> 00:24:05.450
<v Ivan>To you could.

00:24:06.430 --> 00:24:11.330
<v Sam>If i had to i could but i'm not going to i'll be honest with myself but you.

00:24:11.330 --> 00:24:14.330
<v Ivan>Know what i'm saying Okay, no, but you could have something that all of a sudden

00:24:14.330 --> 00:24:17.010
<v Ivan>requires you to do something, and you could do it.

00:24:17.010 --> 00:24:22.810
<v Sam>You could conceivably. There is also a company shuttle option that could be taken.

00:24:23.010 --> 00:24:29.170
<v Sam>But from what I—and I have never actually tried that one, but I have listened to people who have.

00:24:29.450 --> 00:24:36.730
<v Sam>It has very restrictive schedules, you know, and you have to sign up in advance

00:24:36.730 --> 00:24:41.870
<v Sam>for, I am going to be on this bus at this time. And that just doesn't work for me.

00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:46.910
<v Sam>And so I've explored all those options. Driving is the, is still the best option

00:24:46.910 --> 00:24:50.510
<v Sam>for me, but it's, it's killing three hours a day right now.

00:24:50.930 --> 00:24:53.310
<v Sam>And that is a lot of time.

00:24:54.160 --> 00:25:02.120
<v Sam>out of the schedule, you know, and it, and yeah, I'm a, I listen to podcasts

00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:08.480
<v Sam>or whatever, but you know, it, it, it is, and it has increased over the last few weeks.

00:25:08.820 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Sam>Like, and could I potentially alleviate some of this by adjusting my hours further?

00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.060
<v Sam>Maybe like, you know, take,

00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Sam>take morning meetings at home but it

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:32.680
<v Sam>yes i can and i've experimented with some of that but it it helps some but then

00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:38.040
<v Sam>it it kills your momentum in the middle of the day like i kind of want to like

00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:42.580
<v Sam>once i'm working yeah i don't yeah i'm working i'm with you i.

00:25:42.580 --> 00:25:48.420
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah i i'm with you on that one i don't like the oh yeah like take

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:53.760
<v Ivan>a meeting and then go thing unless unless there's a 7 a.m. meeting that has to happen.

00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:57.560
<v Sam>Yeah yeah i mean i've done that in those kinds of situations and and i you know

00:25:57.560 --> 00:26:03.580
<v Sam>and i have done that when the calendar works out for it but you lose that momentum

00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:08.120
<v Sam>but i'll say even with even without that even if the commute is at the very beginning,

00:26:09.820 --> 00:26:16.180
<v Sam>look i'm already getting up earlier than i want to get up in order to do work

00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Sam>anyway right like Right.

00:26:18.100 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Sam>If I had my druthers, I would not be up before 10, 11 a.m.

00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Sam>any day ever, you know, and I'd stay up two or three.

00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:27.740
<v Ivan>I don't know what the fuck is

00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Ivan>going on with me now, but I have been having problems sleeping past 730.

00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Ivan>And this has not been an issue to me in the past.

00:26:39.560 --> 00:26:44.540
<v Sam>I've gone through periods where that has been true where like my schedule my

00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:50.460
<v Sam>work schedule was consistent enough for long enough that I started sort of waking up on my own yeah.

00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:53.940
<v Ivan>And this is what's been happening I've been setting the alarm for later.

00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:57.800
<v Sam>And I keep waking up before it goes off well.

00:26:57.800 --> 00:27:00.100
<v Ivan>Before the damn alarm goes off.

00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:01.420
<v Sam>Yeah I'm.

00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:03.580
<v Ivan>So angry at myself about this I.

00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:06.660
<v Sam>Gotta be honest but anyway what I was saying though is like,

00:27:08.090 --> 00:27:12.570
<v Sam>then I'm not a morning person anyway. I struggle with mornings.

00:27:12.790 --> 00:27:17.750
<v Sam>Afternoon is much more productive for me regardless. But if you start my day

00:27:17.750 --> 00:27:24.850
<v Sam>by a waking up before my body is ready to wake up and then a 90 minute drive,

00:27:24.850 --> 00:27:33.490
<v Sam>I arrive at the office like already wiped and like not like,

00:27:33.490 --> 00:27:39.690
<v Sam>So it makes it even harder for me to get into the groove and get going once I'm there.

00:27:40.050 --> 00:27:42.490
<v Sam>And it's just, it all sucks.

00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:47.670
<v Sam>It all sucks. Now, I'm hoping, like what you said may be true.

00:27:47.850 --> 00:27:51.510
<v Sam>It may be somebody new is requiring people to come into the office,

00:27:51.510 --> 00:27:54.950
<v Sam>and that's why the traffic is bad, and therefore it's going to be permanent.

00:27:54.950 --> 00:27:58.270
<v Sam>i'm kind of hoping it's something temporary

00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:01.170
<v Sam>and it'll get back to how it was which

00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.130
<v Sam>wasn't great but it was better than what it is right now better

00:28:04.130 --> 00:28:07.590
<v Sam>than this yeah you know or or

00:28:07.590 --> 00:28:14.490
<v Sam>maybe i will have to like really investigate you know screw it completely change

00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:20.350
<v Sam>my schedule like get up really freaking early and beat the morning rush and

00:28:20.350 --> 00:28:26.890
<v Sam>be at work at like seven or some crap and then leave early too I don't know. Leave it three.

00:28:28.710 --> 00:28:32.630
<v Sam>Yeah. Although traffic is already bad at three. I've done that, but I've.

00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:37.850
<v Ivan>Noticed that too. You know, the traffic coming from Miami, whenever I have to

00:28:37.850 --> 00:28:42.530
<v Ivan>go, I mean, I can't remember the hell it was that I arrived at a flight. Oh, I arrived at two 30.

00:28:42.750 --> 00:28:45.670
<v Ivan>I will get stuck in traffic at three o'clock. And I was like,

00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:48.130
<v Ivan>ha ha, you idiot. Very funny.

00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:54.150
<v Ivan>You're such an ad. You're such a dumb ass. Yeah. You're stuck in traffic anyway. Yeah.

00:28:54.510 --> 00:28:58.530
<v Sam>Yeah, I've joked before, what I need is a catapult.

00:28:59.030 --> 00:29:00.470
<v Ivan>That would be interesting.

00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:01.410
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:29:01.630 --> 00:29:05.010
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, that would be an interesting way to get to work,

00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:06.650
<v Ivan>you know, as people see you.

00:29:06.790 --> 00:29:12.670
<v Ivan>I would suggest that to make it an easier landing, that you wear a parachute.

00:29:13.110 --> 00:29:18.610
<v Ivan>So you will be catapulted very high distance. And then as you're approaching,

00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:25.170
<v Ivan>like your destination, you pull chute and then you make a nice soft landing.

00:29:25.330 --> 00:29:28.030
<v Ivan>It would just impress the hell out of everybody.

00:29:28.210 --> 00:29:34.110
<v Sam>In my head, I wasn't catapulting sort of out in the open. I was in like a giant hamster ball.

00:29:35.130 --> 00:29:36.830
<v Sam>So the hamster ball could have a parachute.

00:29:37.110 --> 00:29:41.470
<v Ivan>The hamster ball could have a parachute. Yeah. The hamster ball has a parachute,

00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:47.190
<v Ivan>and you click a button, and then you gently descend to your destination.

00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:49.030
<v Ivan>It's not a bad idea, actually.

00:29:49.730 --> 00:29:53.850
<v Sam>You know, I'm sure we could make it work. There wouldn't be any liability issues.

00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.230
<v Ivan>Hey, maybe we could talk to Elon now. I think he's got more spare time.

00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:04.190
<v Sam>You know, I believe it was just on last week's show that we said we should not

00:30:04.190 --> 00:30:08.370
<v Sam>dismiss the stupid ideas out of hand. We should go all in.

00:30:08.750 --> 00:30:09.250
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:30:09.670 --> 00:30:13.150
<v Sam>So catapult-based hamster ball commute.

00:30:13.610 --> 00:30:14.250
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:30:14.530 --> 00:30:21.850
<v Sam>We will be billionaires any day now. Yes. I'm sure everybody will be signing up.

00:30:22.430 --> 00:30:27.650
<v Ivan>We'll be mocking all these people that are only centimillionaires, you know, very soon.

00:30:29.070 --> 00:30:31.910
<v Ivan>As as i tried to watch another one of

00:30:31.910 --> 00:30:35.470
<v Ivan>these shows about billionaires like

00:30:35.470 --> 00:30:38.150
<v Ivan>because i i think i mentioned in the slack that i tried to

00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:41.470
<v Ivan>watch this succession okay right one

00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:44.610
<v Ivan>of our listeners also said he had the same problem after watching

00:30:44.610 --> 00:30:47.470
<v Ivan>three or four shows i get so sick of these people i'm

00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:50.170
<v Ivan>just like i can't watch this fucking show i fucking want to

00:30:50.170 --> 00:30:52.810
<v Ivan>punch these people in the face i can't i fuck them

00:30:52.810 --> 00:30:56.510
<v Ivan>all i i can't i i can't do it okay so

00:30:56.510 --> 00:30:59.790
<v Ivan>i also they said that they they had published this movie on

00:30:59.790 --> 00:31:04.170
<v Ivan>hbo as well called mountain head which is about a set of billionaires and some

00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:10.010
<v Ivan>kind of like it's some takes a lot of things that are happening right now changes

00:31:10.010 --> 00:31:14.250
<v Ivan>in some way it's fictional okay as to how these billionaires deal with some

00:31:14.250 --> 00:31:18.490
<v Ivan>you know chaos that's happening in the world, you know,

00:31:18.870 --> 00:31:24.290
<v Ivan>spawned by AI in some way and some of the stuff or whatever and how they're

00:31:24.290 --> 00:31:28.770
<v Ivan>talking about how all billionaires now want their own, like, independent, like.

00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Ivan>Fiefdom in the middle of the ocean or country or they

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.380
<v Ivan>want to take over a country or something i started watching like

00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:38.560
<v Ivan>first 20 30 minutes of this this thing and i i i'm

00:31:38.560 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Ivan>like okay fuck this i can't i can't watch i i want to

00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Ivan>punch these guys i can't i can't deal with these assholes i can't do it fuck

00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:51.500
<v Ivan>i i so i i so i i quit that one but the one thing that was in the movie was

00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:55.460
<v Ivan>that uh there were a couple of guys that were billionaires and they were friends

00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:59.040
<v Ivan>with this guy that only was a centimillionaire.

00:31:59.180 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Ivan>So he only had, he only had hundreds of millions and how they mocked them for.

00:32:02.980 --> 00:32:03.460
<v Sam>Right.

00:32:04.020 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Ivan>He called them soups, like a soup kitchen because, you know,

00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.280
<v Ivan>he's only got a hundred million dollars. So, you know, he's the soup kitchen guy.

00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Ivan>He has to get food at the soup, you know, the food bank.

00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:22.180
<v Sam>Yeah. He might actually have to think about it a little bit before self-funding an independent nation.

00:32:22.760 --> 00:32:27.300
<v Ivan>Yes. Yeah, he has to. That's just so sad. These poor people.

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Sam>Okay. We've got on long enough that I will not get my movie,

00:32:31.860 --> 00:32:34.740
<v Sam>even though I'm falling further and further behind on the movie list.

00:32:34.860 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Sam>I will mention what the movie is for next week.

00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:46.320
<v Sam>Which is? It will be Judas and the Black Messiah, which was a 2021 American

00:32:46.320 --> 00:32:48.760
<v Sam>biographical historical drama film.

00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:56.320
<v Ivan>I didn't even, I must totally admit that I never even knew that a movie with that title existed.

00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.300
<v Sam>Of the cast list, there's only one you would probably recognize.

00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:02.380
<v Sam>Martin Sheehan was in it.

00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:06.100
<v Ivan>Okay, so, I mean, it's got somebody with some name recognition.

00:33:06.300 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Ivan>I have no idea this movie even existed.

00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:15.900
<v Ivan>But, you know, as my pop, listen, as my pop culture surveys that I've done recently

00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Ivan>have shown, I know nothing.

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.420
<v Ivan>to be fair this is more.

00:33:22.420 --> 00:33:27.040
<v Sam>A film festival movie than like a mass pop culture movie.

00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:32.960
<v Ivan>Still doesn't matter you know whatever I have known nothing of this I mean like

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:38.580
<v Ivan>I grabbed the top 100 songs again recently to try to see who I do on that list

00:33:38.580 --> 00:33:44.180
<v Ivan>I think I went 0 for 100 if I do any of those people so you haven't been.

00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:48.380
<v Sam>Following the new Sabrina Carpenter song that came out like yesterday and the.

00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:49.500
<v Ivan>Controversy over whether.

00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:52.100
<v Sam>She was doing it to step on some other artist's new album.

00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:54.900
<v Ivan>Okay i i i have to say i look at

00:33:54.900 --> 00:34:00.560
<v Ivan>i'm not making this up i have no idea who the hell sabrina carpenter is i have

00:34:00.560 --> 00:34:07.080
<v Ivan>no idea not i mean i listen if you put you put her in a listen you told me you

00:34:07.080 --> 00:34:12.500
<v Ivan>told me listen i'll give you 10 million dollars identify this person right now

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:14.600
<v Ivan>i'll put four people in front of you,

00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:17.700
<v Ivan>I mean, I would fail.

00:34:19.900 --> 00:34:23.900
<v Ivan>If you gave me a picture array of 20 people, you told me, hey,

00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Ivan>pick for the only way I would win is random chance.

00:34:27.810 --> 00:34:30.070
<v Sam>Okay, I sent you a link. Do you recognize the girl?

00:34:30.350 --> 00:34:31.870
<v Ivan>Okay, let me see.

00:34:32.510 --> 00:34:33.670
<v Sam>I'll check.

00:34:33.990 --> 00:34:35.630
<v Ivan>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. No.

00:34:38.290 --> 00:34:44.770
<v Ivan>No. Not a clue. No. Not a clue. I have no idea who this person is.

00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:46.290
<v Sam>Okay, cool.

00:34:46.550 --> 00:34:52.810
<v Ivan>But look, Bloomberg has this really cool news quiz lately every week.

00:34:53.310 --> 00:34:54.650
<v Sam>And you do well or not?

00:34:54.650 --> 00:34:59.870
<v Ivan>See, I, man, the last couple of weeks, I've been at the top 5% of the news quiz.

00:35:00.290 --> 00:35:01.290
<v Sam>Oh, nice.

00:35:01.930 --> 00:35:06.190
<v Ivan>So I've been, I've been, I've been really hitting that news quiz really good.

00:35:06.430 --> 00:35:11.390
<v Ivan>But I have no idea, not one clue who Sabrina Carpenter is. I mean, I, listen, you can.

00:35:11.830 --> 00:35:14.270
<v Sam>Is this the pointed news quiz?

00:35:14.830 --> 00:35:18.590
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. Yes. I just Googled it. Yeah.

00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:21.550
<v Ivan>Yeah. It's a pointed news quiz. Do you have to be a subscriber?

00:35:21.550 --> 00:35:25.030
<v Ivan>There is, I don't know. It's a good question. I'm.

00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:31.550
<v Sam>Looking got it you have to wager and.

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:36.790
<v Ivan>Stuff yes you also have to do some wagering it's too complicated you have to do some wagering.

00:35:37.310 --> 00:35:38.610
<v Sam>Here we go.

00:35:38.610 --> 00:35:41.230
<v Ivan>We're going to do this I'm.

00:35:41.230 --> 00:35:42.550
<v Sam>Going to play this thing live.

00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:54.050
<v Ivan>I haven't played this week hold on let me see I'm going to make my wagers I just left mine on.

00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:55.170
<v Sam>The default all even.

00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:59.670
<v Ivan>Okay well you can use it you could by the way there's one thing important to

00:35:59.670 --> 00:36:03.470
<v Ivan>use there's the multipliers that are available so if you're very sure about

00:36:03.470 --> 00:36:07.390
<v Ivan>an answer make sure to use your multiplier okay all right that helps you this.

00:36:07.390 --> 00:36:09.250
<v Sam>Is too complicated i'm just going to try.

00:36:09.250 --> 00:36:14.830
<v Ivan>No no complicated no okay.

00:36:14.830 --> 00:36:17.890
<v Sam>So once you click it does it go away.

00:36:18.710 --> 00:36:19.590
<v Ivan>What do you mean it goes away?

00:36:20.150 --> 00:36:22.730
<v Sam>Like, does it go straight to the next question once you quick the answer?

00:36:22.810 --> 00:36:24.810
<v Sam>Because I want to read the question aloud to people.

00:36:24.990 --> 00:36:29.230
<v Sam>Okay, so go ahead and make your wager on the first one. Then I will read it and make it.

00:36:29.230 --> 00:36:31.990
<v Ivan>Okay, hold on. Then I got, I got, okay, hold on, hold on.

00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:34.310
<v Sam>How many questions are in this thing? Like 10, 10 questions?

00:36:34.430 --> 00:36:36.810
<v Ivan>10, 10, 10 questions. Okay, so let's go to our first question.

00:36:36.950 --> 00:36:38.590
<v Ivan>Okay. All right, here we go.

00:36:39.170 --> 00:36:42.690
<v Sam>Okay. President Donald Trump issued a full ban on entry into the U.S.

00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:44.030
<v Sam>for citizens of 12 countries.

00:36:44.630 --> 00:36:48.290
<v Sam>10 of them are in Africa and the Middle East, but which two countries are elsewhere?

00:36:48.710 --> 00:36:52.570
<v Sam>One is recovering from a major earthquake, and the other is,

00:36:52.670 --> 00:36:58.590
<v Sam>according to the United Nations, one of the five places in the world with catastrophic levels of hunger.

00:37:00.030 --> 00:37:05.350
<v Sam>Okay. And the choices are A, Laos and Venezuela, B, Myanmar and Haiti,

00:37:05.570 --> 00:37:10.210
<v Sam>C, Afghanistan and Equatorial Guinea, D, Nicaragua and Ukraine.

00:37:10.510 --> 00:37:14.230
<v Sam>We shall both make our choices. Have you made your choice?

00:37:14.510 --> 00:37:15.110
<v Ivan>I did.

00:37:15.410 --> 00:37:16.770
<v Sam>Okay. I'm making my choice.

00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:18.170
<v Ivan>Myanmar. Yeah.

00:37:19.390 --> 00:37:22.250
<v Sam>I went for the one with Venezuela in it.

00:37:22.610 --> 00:37:28.670
<v Ivan>What? How did you fail that one? Myanmar and A, what the hell?

00:37:29.330 --> 00:37:31.950
<v Ivan>You already for the last one?

00:37:33.030 --> 00:37:35.970
<v Sam>My first instinct was the Afghanistan one.

00:37:36.410 --> 00:37:42.270
<v Ivan>The earthquake! The Myanmar earthquake, remember when we pulled out the fucking relief workers?

00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:43.550
<v Sam>No.

00:37:44.350 --> 00:37:44.990
<v Ivan>Fuck!

00:37:45.830 --> 00:37:48.870
<v Sam>69% of people got it right, so I suck. Okay.

00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:49.450
<v Ivan>Yes!

00:37:49.770 --> 00:37:50.190
<v Sam>Next!

00:37:50.250 --> 00:37:51.670
<v Ivan>What is the layup?

00:37:52.810 --> 00:37:57.870
<v Sam>Your wager, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Geet Wilders, a far-right lawmaker,

00:37:57.970 --> 00:38:02.970
<v Sam>pulled his freedom party, party woer de vr, out of his nation's... Oh, come on.

00:38:03.930 --> 00:38:05.850
<v Ivan>You know the answer to this question.

00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:09.850
<v Sam>Out of his four party... Okay. Have you made yours?

00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:14.650
<v Sam>The choices are Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, or Denmark. Okay.

00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:19.530
<v Ivan>Shit, I'm not sure. Okay, I kept thinking this was about the Polish election, and it's not.

00:38:19.750 --> 00:38:24.470
<v Ivan>But based on that name, I'm going to make a choice. I think I know which one it is. You ready?

00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:25.350
<v Sam>Ready.

00:38:25.390 --> 00:38:27.790
<v Ivan>You made your choice? Okay, all right, made my choice.

00:38:28.850 --> 00:38:29.210
<v Sam>Netherlands.

00:38:29.870 --> 00:38:31.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's the Netherlands, yes.

00:38:32.530 --> 00:38:33.250
<v Sam>Okay, next.

00:38:33.950 --> 00:38:37.350
<v Ivan>Yeah, with a name like Geert Wilders, that is such a Dutch name.

00:38:37.670 --> 00:38:42.790
<v Ivan>You know, that was a giveaway, just the Dutch name. I didn't realize that that happened.

00:38:43.370 --> 00:38:48.110
<v Sam>Okay. Huawei's Pura X is a new foldable phone sold only in China.

00:38:48.370 --> 00:38:52.030
<v Sam>The device is an opportunity for the company to showcase its recently launched

00:38:52.030 --> 00:38:55.990
<v Sam>operating system. A competitor on iOS and Android called what?

00:38:56.550 --> 00:39:02.050
<v Sam>The word that appears in the name derives from the Greek meaning joint.

00:39:02.890 --> 00:39:07.350
<v Sam>And I say because I don't know the Greek alphabet well enough to pronounce that.

00:39:08.930 --> 00:39:11.890
<v Sam>And are you ready? I'm ready.

00:39:12.270 --> 00:39:16.650
<v Ivan>Okay. Okay. Well, hang on. I haven't chosen yet. I will choose now. Okay.

00:39:17.210 --> 00:39:19.250
<v Sam>I chose hinge, but it's harmony.

00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:22.810
<v Ivan>Yeah. I chose unison, but it's harmony. Yeah.

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:26.410
<v Sam>I figured joint is a hinge, but no.

00:39:26.630 --> 00:39:30.730
<v Ivan>I mean, unison, joint. No, well.

00:39:30.850 --> 00:39:31.710
<v Sam>Okay. Next.

00:39:32.170 --> 00:39:32.610
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:39:33.430 --> 00:39:36.170
<v Sam>We got to get this going because we're. Yeah.

00:39:36.210 --> 00:39:39.250
<v Ivan>Come on. Come on. Come on. Hey, we're going through it, but we're going through the news.

00:39:39.490 --> 00:39:44.030
<v Sam>There you go. Yale University is finalizing a sale of as much as $2.5 billion

00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:46.550
<v Sam>of its private equity and venture capital assets.

00:39:46.710 --> 00:39:48.730
<v Sam>What is the code name of the project?

00:39:49.030 --> 00:39:53.770
<v Sam>It references a fictional character who is ostentatiously wealthy and loves

00:39:53.770 --> 00:39:56.970
<v Sam>someone named Daisy. This one's an easy one.

00:39:58.010 --> 00:39:59.770
<v Sam>At least for me. You got it, Yvonne?

00:40:00.370 --> 00:40:04.950
<v Ivan>Fuck, I'm not totally sure. But I think I know it. I think it's, yeah. Okay.

00:40:05.210 --> 00:40:11.190
<v Sam>Have you chosen? Oh, the choices are Project Gatsby. Project Clampett,

00:40:11.450 --> 00:40:14.170
<v Sam>Project Warbucks, or Project Scrooge.

00:40:14.870 --> 00:40:15.550
<v Ivan>I got it wrong.

00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:17.130
<v Sam>It's Gatsby.

00:40:17.830 --> 00:40:20.710
<v Ivan>Yeah, I knew that.

00:40:20.950 --> 00:40:28.770
<v Sam>It's from the great Gatsby, which I was supposed to read in high school and didn't. Okay. Next.

00:40:30.270 --> 00:40:34.590
<v Sam>Sotheby's will soon auction off a black Hermes bag with gold hardware.

00:40:34.810 --> 00:40:39.490
<v Sam>It was commissioned in 1984 for which fashion icon?

00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:41.950
<v Sam>A, Jackie Kennedy. B, Princess Diana.

00:40:42.290 --> 00:40:45.790
<v Sam>C, Grace Kelly. D. Jane Birkin.

00:40:46.270 --> 00:40:47.650
<v Ivan>I'm going to guess it's Princess.

00:40:48.450 --> 00:40:51.430
<v Sam>You know, you should say it before I say it, but I was going to make the same

00:40:51.430 --> 00:40:54.050
<v Sam>guess, Princess Diana, which was wrong. It was Birkin.

00:40:54.750 --> 00:40:59.630
<v Ivan>Fuck. Follow me both. Okay. Well, that's one that I put down to five points

00:40:59.630 --> 00:41:00.770
<v Ivan>because I knew I had no idea.

00:41:00.770 --> 00:41:04.930
<v Sam>I did know the Birkin was a kind of bag, and I thought about that.

00:41:04.930 --> 00:41:05.430
<v Sam>No, I know the Birkin's a bag.

00:41:05.530 --> 00:41:08.010
<v Ivan>But I didn't know who the fuck they made it for. I have no idea.

00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:09.070
<v Ivan>The hell am I supposed to know?

00:41:09.530 --> 00:41:14.590
<v Sam>Okay. The newly elected president of a certain country said his first task would

00:41:14.590 --> 00:41:17.470
<v Sam>be to avoid imposing martial law again.

00:41:17.950 --> 00:41:18.650
<v Ivan>Okay, I know which one.

00:41:18.650 --> 00:41:22.330
<v Sam>Which country is it? The Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, or Malaysia?

00:41:22.930 --> 00:41:23.490
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:41:23.870 --> 00:41:27.030
<v Sam>Okay, I'm ready. One, two, three. South Korea.

00:41:27.030 --> 00:41:27.450
<v Ivan>South Korea.

00:41:27.970 --> 00:41:29.730
<v Sam>Yes. Next.

00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:35.080
<v Sam>Taylor Swift acquired the rights to her first six albums from a private equity firm.

00:41:35.220 --> 00:41:38.420
<v Sam>In her announcement, Swift wrote, This was a business deal to them,

00:41:38.540 --> 00:41:41.820
<v Sam>but I really felt like they saw it for what it was for me.

00:41:42.140 --> 00:41:46.380
<v Sam>My first tattoo might just be a huge blank in the middle of my forehead.

00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:52.980
<v Sam>Which symbol, both the name and the logo of the firm, fills the blank?

00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Ivan>Fuck. I don't know.

00:41:55.660 --> 00:41:56.060
<v Sam>Okay.

00:41:56.560 --> 00:41:57.060
<v Ivan>You do?

00:41:57.140 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Sam>Pick one. Pick one.

00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.860
<v Ivan>Okay, I picked one.

00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:07.580
<v Sam>The choices are Anchor, Cerebus, Shamrock, or Scooter. I am picking Shamrock, and I am right.

00:42:08.020 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Ivan>Yes, you're right.

00:42:09.200 --> 00:42:10.120
<v Sam>Did you get it wrong?

00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:15.040
<v Ivan>No, I got it wrong. Man, this is the worst I've done in this thing in the last

00:42:15.040 --> 00:42:17.220
<v Ivan>three weeks. This is ridiculous.

00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.460
<v Sam>Okay, here we go. You know, I started out missing a few I should have gotten.

00:42:20.940 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Sam>Okay, Carol Narrocki, a nationalist backed by Trump, won a presidential election in a European country.

00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.860
<v Sam>After the victory, the president-elect said, we will not allow blank to hold

00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:36.240
<v Sam>all the power and have a monopoly of evil power that does not care about public finances.

00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:41.860
<v Sam>The name of which prime minister who wields the majority of the political influence

00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:45.240
<v Sam>in Narwaki's country fills the blank? A.

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.520
<v Sam>Nikusir Dan. B. Alexander Lukashenko.

00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:54.500
<v Sam>C. Donald Tusk. D. Viktor Orban.

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.140
<v Ivan>Well, I know it's not C and D. But I'm not sure.

00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:01.560
<v Sam>You know, you shouldn't give me hints before I've chosen.

00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:02.540
<v Ivan>Fuck.

00:43:03.740 --> 00:43:04.220
<v Sam>Okay.

00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:05.220
<v Ivan>I'm going to make a choice.

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:11.240
<v Sam>I'm going for A. It was Donald Tusk. It was one of the ones you said it wasn't.

00:43:11.740 --> 00:43:14.200
<v Ivan>What? How could it be Donald Tusk?

00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.160
<v Sam>Ah. Okay.

00:43:17.990 --> 00:43:21.950
<v Sam>I was going to pick Tusk until you said something.

00:43:22.190 --> 00:43:27.970
<v Ivan>Donald Tusk was a fake fucking character from goddamn House of Cards.

00:43:29.030 --> 00:43:36.050
<v Sam>Next. Okay. Sanofi agreed to buy a U.S. biopharma group for at least $9.1 billion.

00:43:36.410 --> 00:43:45.010
<v Sam>What type of drawing made with ferric ferocyanide appears in the name of the company?

00:43:45.430 --> 00:43:51.270
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ. Obviously, I've paid no attention to the news this week with Elon

00:43:51.270 --> 00:43:56.630
<v Ivan>and Donald going at it, okay? I have no idea what the fuck this is.

00:43:57.110 --> 00:43:59.910
<v Ivan>I'm going to take a guess at one of these, but I have no idea.

00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:04.850
<v Sam>I'm going now, and I am picking—oh, the choices were tattoo,

00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:07.410
<v Sam>stipple, lithograph, and blueprint, by the way.

00:44:07.450 --> 00:44:09.090
<v Ivan>All right, I'm going to pick a choice.

00:44:09.190 --> 00:44:09.390
<v Sam>Okay.

00:44:09.630 --> 00:44:11.330
<v Ivan>No, and I got that one wrong, too.

00:44:11.730 --> 00:44:16.430
<v Sam>I picked lithograph because I thought— My God. I thought blueprint was too obvious

00:44:16.430 --> 00:44:18.190
<v Sam>and also ferric would be reddish.

00:44:18.190 --> 00:44:18.870
<v Ivan>So did I!

00:44:19.050 --> 00:44:21.890
<v Sam>Not blue. We're not doing well.

00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:24.250
<v Ivan>We are not doing well. We're not. We're doing terrible.

00:44:24.930 --> 00:44:30.110
<v Sam>After 16 years, comedian Mark Maron's pioneering podcast that helped define

00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:31.590
<v Sam>the medium is coming to an end.

00:44:31.790 --> 00:44:36.110
<v Sam>Which abbreviation is used in the title of the show? WTF?

00:44:36.910 --> 00:44:39.330
<v Sam>TTYL? OMG? Or TLDR?

00:44:39.710 --> 00:44:41.390
<v Ivan>I have no idea either.

00:44:41.650 --> 00:44:45.150
<v Sam>This one's an easy one. It's WTF. done. Okay.

00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:50.470
<v Sam>Oh, I shouldn't have said that before you had indicated you had chosen.

00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:55.010
<v Ivan>That's the one I was going to choose, but you know. Okay. So we did poorly.

00:44:55.250 --> 00:44:55.910
<v Sam>See results.

00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:59.390
<v Ivan>Actually, you know what? Many people did poorly this week.

00:44:59.570 --> 00:45:01.530
<v Sam>My final score was zero.

00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:07.410
<v Ivan>Okay. My final score was 32.5.

00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:13.570
<v Ivan>I scored better than 38% of the other players so i did not i was not this this

00:45:13.570 --> 00:45:18.750
<v Ivan>was not a colossal total failure but this is about the worst i've done in this

00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:21.950
<v Ivan>quiz in the in the last few weeks okay.

00:45:21.950 --> 00:45:25.250
<v Sam>Well we have wasted a good deal of time on that i could have.

00:45:25.250 --> 00:45:27.950
<v Ivan>Done my movie a lot of the news a.

00:45:27.950 --> 00:45:31.370
<v Sam>Lot of the news that we probably would not have talked about.

00:45:31.370 --> 00:45:34.830
<v Ivan>Otherwise we would not have talked these are things that we would not have talked

00:45:34.830 --> 00:45:36.810
<v Ivan>about and so we just covered it so there you go.

00:45:36.810 --> 00:45:42.730
<v Sam>Yes there you go okay let's take Take a break and then I guess we'll probably

00:45:42.730 --> 00:45:45.130
<v Sam>just start off on Musk versus Trump. Everyone's eager.

00:45:45.350 --> 00:45:45.550
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:50.890
<v Sam>Everyone's eager. Okay, here we go. Here's a break. Breaky, breaky, breaky.

00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:04.070
<v Ivan>Do, do, do. This podcast is sponsored by AlexMzilla.com.

00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:56.740
<v Sam>Youtube channel is a l e x m x e l a dot com Yes.

00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.720
<v Sam>Do, do, do.

00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:02.540
<v Sam>Do, do, do. Okay.

00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:03.520
<v Ivan>Do, do, do, do, do.

00:47:04.580 --> 00:47:07.780
<v Sam>Very exciting. I will note that for,

00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:14.980
<v Sam>we have had a viewer on our live stream for the most of the show so far,

00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:20.080
<v Sam>but it was my son Alex on one of,

00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.980
<v Sam>logged in as me on like my iPad or something.

00:47:24.540 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Sam>And so he's been commenting things like, oh, no, that's unfortunate.

00:47:28.740 --> 00:47:33.460
<v Sam>And a frowny face on things we were saying earlier in the show.

00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:35.860
<v Ivan>There you go. Perfect.

00:47:36.260 --> 00:47:39.320
<v Sam>And it shows up as comments from me because he was logged in as me.

00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Ivan>But you're upset at yourself.

00:47:44.140 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Sam>I am. I am. Anyway, there was one brief moment with two people watching,

00:47:50.540 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Sam>but that didn't last very long.

00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:59.640
<v Sam>Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, so Elon and Donald having a good old time this week.

00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:04.780
<v Ivan>They, they, they are just, they're, they're, they're getting along really well.

00:48:05.220 --> 00:48:12.980
<v Ivan>I think that they are. It's, it's just amazing how you see titans of industry

00:48:12.980 --> 00:48:18.620
<v Ivan>in our nation, our world getting along well.

00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Ivan>in such a great way, publicly, with the leaders, the president of our nation,

00:48:26.580 --> 00:48:29.160
<v Ivan>solving through the nation's problems, Sam.

00:48:29.420 --> 00:48:32.380
<v Ivan>It's just, it's wonderful to see. It's amazing.

00:48:32.680 --> 00:48:39.180
<v Ivan>And also the respect that our president showed to the visiting chancellor of Germany.

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:46.360
<v Ivan>It's just so, so great as he was asking him whether he was disappointed that,

00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.180
<v Ivan>you know, that the Nazis were defeated.

00:48:48.420 --> 00:48:53.100
<v Sam>Right. Yes. He couldn't possibly understand why that wouldn't be a sad thing

00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:54.780
<v Sam>for the German chancellor.

00:48:55.660 --> 00:48:57.700
<v Ivan>Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:48:58.760 --> 00:48:59.160
<v Sam>Okay.

00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:05.180
<v Ivan>So this whole thing started, as far as I can tell, between—well,

00:49:05.380 --> 00:49:12.140
<v Ivan>if you go through the background story, there was obviously a lot of tension.

00:49:12.140 --> 00:49:19.240
<v Sam>Yeah, as we talked about last week, you know, the fact that Elon was leaving

00:49:19.240 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Sam>was not exactly unwelcome for the rest of the Trump team.

00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:31.140
<v Ivan>Right. It is very clear that they were very, very, very ready for him to be gone.

00:49:31.140 --> 00:49:38.620
<v Ivan>great for him to be gone you know there is this guy who has come to the fore

00:49:38.620 --> 00:49:45.900
<v Ivan>as apparently one of the key guys that was driving this and one of the,

00:49:46.810 --> 00:49:54.390
<v Ivan>biggest things that he pushed against was the nomination of the NASA administrator, okay?

00:49:54.630 --> 00:50:00.030
<v Ivan>All of a sudden, right after the farewell meeting at the White House,

00:50:00.450 --> 00:50:06.290
<v Ivan>the guy who was Elon's guy to head NASA was withdrawn.

00:50:06.890 --> 00:50:11.350
<v Ivan>Jared Isigman was the guy that was nominated there.

00:50:11.530 --> 00:50:17.730
<v Ivan>And this guy that I guess I not really paid attention to before,

00:50:18.270 --> 00:50:21.870
<v Ivan>this advisor named the last name Gore, G-O-R.

00:50:23.210 --> 00:50:24.290
<v Sam>Oh, not Al Gore.

00:50:24.590 --> 00:50:31.670
<v Ivan>Not G-O-R, not G-O-R-E, okay? He apparently, Sergio Gore, okay?

00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:32.670
<v Sam>Okay, yep.

00:50:33.070 --> 00:50:37.450
<v Ivan>Sergio apparently had a very close relationship with Trump,

00:50:37.450 --> 00:50:44.310
<v Ivan>and it seemed to have been rooted from right after January 6th where he apparently

00:50:44.310 --> 00:50:53.530
<v Ivan>was a guy that helped them publish books and many books from allies of Trump after that.

00:50:54.330 --> 00:51:02.950
<v Ivan>So he seemed to have been a key supporter of Trump right at the moment when

00:51:02.950 --> 00:51:06.290
<v Ivan>a lot of people seemed to have walked away from him.

00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:11.810
<v Ivan>It says here that he co-founded Winning Team Publishing with Donald Trump Jr.,

00:51:11.810 --> 00:51:16.610
<v Ivan>The imprint publishes books by Trump and his allies and put much-needed cash

00:51:16.610 --> 00:51:21.350
<v Ivan>in Trump's pocket during his isolation after the January 6th riot at the Capitol.

00:51:21.670 --> 00:51:25.490
<v Ivan>So this guy was very close in with him.

00:51:25.570 --> 00:51:32.310
<v Ivan>He was a frequent guest at Mar-a-Lago. He was a tough fundraiser in the pack.

00:51:32.510 --> 00:51:39.570
<v Ivan>And this guy despised Elon. And he was very hell-bent against Isaacman,

00:51:39.710 --> 00:51:46.230
<v Ivan>in large part because there were records to show that this guy was a big Democratic donor.

00:51:46.990 --> 00:51:49.730
<v Ivan>Jared isaac man okay yeah he had been a

00:51:49.730 --> 00:51:53.350
<v Ivan>very big democratic donor okay by the way which

00:51:53.350 --> 00:51:56.330
<v Ivan>by the way donald trump also was but okay let's not get

00:51:56.330 --> 00:51:59.890
<v Ivan>into those details but you know there's something that's happened with a lot

00:51:59.890 --> 00:52:05.230
<v Ivan>of these people with money but so he was as a big democratic donor and he was

00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:10.070
<v Ivan>like coming up to trump saying hey just get this guy out but but wait wait because

00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:15.490
<v Ivan>this is by the way they're saying that this is the biggest root of how this tension started okay,

00:52:16.030 --> 00:52:20.490
<v Ivan>Gore was the one that was going to Trump and basically just saying,

00:52:20.710 --> 00:52:23.550
<v Ivan>you need to get rid of Isaac. You need to get rid of Isaac.

00:52:23.610 --> 00:52:26.490
<v Ivan>And he kept showing him how he had donated to the Democrats.

00:52:26.550 --> 00:52:28.670
<v Ivan>And he kept showing him that and that and that.

00:52:28.810 --> 00:52:34.350
<v Ivan>And by the way, so this got to and and in the meeting that happened at the White House,

00:52:34.670 --> 00:52:40.790
<v Ivan>where we heard that Marco Rubio had gone toe to toe with with Musk,

00:52:41.050 --> 00:52:46.130
<v Ivan>it went unreported that this guy also did. big time, okay?

00:52:46.550 --> 00:52:48.810
<v Ivan>And so that went unreported. So

00:52:48.810 --> 00:52:57.250
<v Ivan>the role that this guy had in terms of fomenting this Musk Trump schism.

00:52:58.170 --> 00:53:01.730
<v Ivan>Was far more significant than was previously known, okay?

00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:09.090
<v Ivan>And so, look, to Elon Musk, what the fuck could be more important than having

00:53:09.090 --> 00:53:12.850
<v Ivan>the NASA administrator be a key ally of his?

00:53:13.170 --> 00:53:21.070
<v Ivan>Given the, if you look at his holdings right now, number one holding that he has is SpaceX,

00:53:21.990 --> 00:53:25.310
<v Ivan>okay that his his the

00:53:25.310 --> 00:53:28.650
<v Ivan>value his net worth depends a

00:53:28.650 --> 00:53:31.750
<v Ivan>lot more on spacex than it does on tesla stock

00:53:31.750 --> 00:53:35.270
<v Ivan>okay according to reports that i've seen so

00:53:35.270 --> 00:53:38.190
<v Ivan>all of a sudden this guy yanking that

00:53:38.190 --> 00:53:46.890
<v Ivan>guy out was what was a brutal blow and then you know a lot of other people that

00:53:46.890 --> 00:53:53.330
<v Ivan>you know musk is out The knives have come out like left and right and precipitated

00:53:53.330 --> 00:53:55.470
<v Ivan>that, you know, with this big, beautiful bill,

00:53:56.290 --> 00:54:00.190
<v Ivan>Doge not bringing in the savings that were expected.

00:54:00.230 --> 00:54:04.870
<v Ivan>But not just that, the fact that they the big, beautiful bill,

00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:10.590
<v Ivan>you know, it goes totally the opposite way of where they had come in three months

00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:13.550
<v Ivan>ago and will add to the deficit like crazy.

00:54:13.950 --> 00:54:18.210
<v Ivan>And so, you know, Elon just started railing into this.

00:54:18.570 --> 00:54:22.630
<v Sam>Although Republicans, by the way, are still denying that and saying the CBO

00:54:22.630 --> 00:54:24.230
<v Sam>is full of it. It's not accurate.

00:54:24.390 --> 00:54:26.930
<v Sam>Ignore them. There will be so much growth.

00:54:27.490 --> 00:54:30.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Right.

00:54:30.490 --> 00:54:34.510
<v Ivan>That was the same bullshit that they said back when they passed the last tax

00:54:34.510 --> 00:54:37.090
<v Ivan>cut in 2018 and the deficit went through the roof.

00:54:37.090 --> 00:54:39.930
<v Ivan>right because the cbo is

00:54:39.930 --> 00:54:47.450
<v Ivan>full of shit but but so so you know and and the startup it escalated quite quickly

00:54:47.450 --> 00:54:50.110
<v Ivan>i understand that by the way trump

00:54:50.110 --> 00:54:57.170
<v Ivan>fired all the doge people uh he cleared them all out as of yesterday i.

00:54:57.170 --> 00:54:58.410
<v Sam>Hadn't heard that is that new today.

00:54:58.410 --> 00:55:07.530
<v Ivan>No that was yesterday yesterday trump ordered everybody at doge fired everybody all of them okay.

00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:08.590
<v Sam>I hadn't seen that yet.

00:55:08.590 --> 00:55:14.430
<v Ivan>Yeah i mean i i shared that on the slack let me find it but there was but there

00:55:14.430 --> 00:55:17.810
<v Ivan>was a story specifically that that,

00:55:18.830 --> 00:55:24.310
<v Ivan>literally everybody that they told everybody at doge to clear out get the fuck out what.

00:55:24.310 --> 00:55:29.330
<v Sam>I saw is that they had cleared out their desks in anticipation of that,

00:55:29.590 --> 00:55:32.510
<v Sam>but that it hadn't actually happened yet.

00:55:33.110 --> 00:55:37.570
<v Ivan>No, no. But what I got is that there was an order that they got there and saw

00:55:37.570 --> 00:55:39.630
<v Ivan>that their desks had been cleared out.

00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:43.410
<v Ivan>So I guess we've got conflicting reports on that.

00:55:43.670 --> 00:55:44.570
<v Sam>Find the link.

00:55:44.710 --> 00:55:51.230
<v Ivan>I gotta find... Ah, fuck. Jesus Christ, so much shit. Da-da. Da-da-da-da.

00:55:52.310 --> 00:55:53.430
<v Ivan>Da-da-da.

00:55:55.410 --> 00:55:56.130
<v Ivan>I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

00:55:57.620 --> 00:56:02.460
<v Ivan>Fair, no. Art Fizer, no. No. No.

00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:09.120
<v Ivan>No. Let's see. Okay. Well, I can't find it right now.

00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Ivan>Okay. I cannot find it right now, but I had one report that I got that basically

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:21.340
<v Ivan>they had told everybody to clear out. Okay? Okay.

00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:23.660
<v Sam>And look, it would not be surprising.

00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Ivan>All the staffers. Right. That was a retaliation that was said to have happened yesterday.

00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:36.220
<v Sam>I will say conflicting reports, like you said, because I have also heard that.

00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.520
<v Ivan>Oh, here it is. Here it is. It's a Midas touch. Reported it.

00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:44.140
<v Ivan>Doge staffers also had their desks cleaned out and packed last night in case

00:56:44.140 --> 00:56:45.260
<v Ivan>they were all fired by Trump.

00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.220
<v Ivan>Oh, in case they were all fired by Trump. Okay. So I misread that.

00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Ivan>You read that correctly.

00:56:49.120 --> 00:56:54.680
<v Ivan>I just got the Doge HQ. I'm the last man here. The place cleared out as a precaution. Okay.

00:56:54.780 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Sam>Right. Because I have also read that many of these are still in place and actually

00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.640
<v Sam>still taking action as of yesterday.

00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:11.700
<v Sam>And even with Elon gone, the team he put in place is still going forward,

00:57:11.700 --> 00:57:12.860
<v Sam>but under somebody else.

00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Ivan>Yeah, but that's all bullshit. All the agencies are now rebelling to this. As a matter of fact.

00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.700
<v Sam>There's a story that— Yes, they can now push back more effectively.

00:57:20.060 --> 00:57:24.860
<v Ivan>But it's not just push back. They're actively undoing a whole bunch of the things

00:57:24.860 --> 00:57:26.200
<v Ivan>that were done. There was a story.

00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.960
<v Sam>They were rehiring people because they fired too many people, et cetera.

00:57:30.060 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Ivan>They were rehiring people at agencies across the board where they had been fired

00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Ivan>that they just realized that we just can't continue without them.

00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.120
<v Ivan>And they were actively hiring them all back.

00:57:41.740 --> 00:57:46.020
<v Ivan>Aside from there was a bill that's advancing in Congress, like right now with

00:57:46.020 --> 00:57:53.520
<v Ivan>bipartisan support also, to restore all the cuts that were made to. The weather service.

00:57:54.460 --> 00:57:55.080
<v Sam>Right. Okay.

00:57:55.660 --> 00:58:01.080
<v Ivan>And that one's also advancing as well, because basically people realize that

00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:07.260
<v Ivan>we are right now, Doge has made us, created significant blind spots in our monitoring

00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:08.620
<v Ivan>of major weather events.

00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:17.000
<v Sam>Right. And I suspect, like, all it'll take is like one major event to do the

00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:21.160
<v Sam>same kind of stuff for FEMA, because they've also gutted FEMA. Yeah.

00:58:21.160 --> 00:58:24.580
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, FEMA is in the same, in the same.

00:58:24.620 --> 00:58:29.780
<v Sam>Although so far, like we've got things like Donald Trump denying emergency relief

00:58:29.780 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Sam>to various places that have had issues, you know.

00:58:33.260 --> 00:58:36.540
<v Ivan>And these are places that are that are with Republicans.

00:58:37.060 --> 00:58:37.900
<v Sam>Yeah, red state.

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.700
<v Ivan>I mean, you have Republican government. You've had Republican governors asking for for help from FEMA.

00:58:42.940 --> 00:58:46.000
<v Ivan>And they basically tell, fuck you, like right now.

00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:53.080
<v Ivan>So so that's that's been going on. But listen, the way that the bottom line...

00:58:53.510 --> 00:58:59.490
<v Ivan>You know, Elon yesterday went, basically said that Trump's a pedo.

00:58:59.730 --> 00:59:04.090
<v Ivan>He said that he's all over the Epstein files, and that's why they're not being released. Okay?

00:59:04.790 --> 00:59:08.270
<v Ivan>He also said he's starting a third party. He also said— Yes.

00:59:08.310 --> 00:59:09.010
<v Sam>He did say that as well.

00:59:10.470 --> 00:59:16.890
<v Ivan>He threatened to decommission Dragon as well, which he apparently backed off of. Okay. What else?

00:59:17.030 --> 00:59:22.630
<v Sam>Because Donald was threatening to remove all the federal contracts from SpaceX as well.

00:59:22.630 --> 00:59:28.050
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, right. Donald threatened to cancel all federal contracts with Elon Musk.

00:59:28.430 --> 00:59:32.070
<v Ivan>What the fuck else? I mean, there was like so many things that they threw at each other.

00:59:32.170 --> 00:59:36.230
<v Sam>Here are a few things to keep in mind for both of these people.

00:59:37.090 --> 00:59:46.550
<v Sam>First of all, neither one of these people has any affinity or care about the truth.

00:59:47.030 --> 00:59:51.510
<v Sam>It's just not part of their... So, like, if they say something,

00:59:51.790 --> 00:59:54.770
<v Sam>it is not because the thing is true.

00:59:54.770 --> 01:00:00.270
<v Sam>It is because they think saying it will have the effect that they want or will

01:00:00.270 --> 01:00:02.530
<v Sam>lead things in the direction that they want.

01:00:02.830 --> 01:00:09.330
<v Sam>So, you know, start with Elon and tying Trump to the Epstein files.

01:00:09.510 --> 01:00:13.910
<v Sam>So, first of all, Trump has been tied to the Epstein files for years.

01:00:14.190 --> 01:00:17.550
<v Sam>This has been published in things that have already been released. Okay.

01:00:17.850 --> 01:00:18.470
<v Ivan>True. But.

01:00:20.330 --> 01:00:23.890
<v Sam>Let me just say this. You know, they're, you know,

01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.640
<v Sam>And there's video of him and Epstein together. There's video of him talking

01:00:29.640 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Sam>about Epstein's predilection for young girls.

01:00:32.620 --> 01:00:35.680
<v Sam>All of this exists. All of this has been out there for years.

01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:40.820
<v Sam>It's known that he'd made trips to a stupid island or whatever. All of this is out there.

01:00:41.620 --> 01:00:47.020
<v Sam>The rumor mongering is, of course, there's something more substantial that directly

01:00:47.020 --> 01:00:49.900
<v Sam>ties Donald Trump to nefarious activities.

01:00:50.160 --> 01:00:53.440
<v Sam>So let's be clear. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, so let me finish this point.

01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:57.260
<v Ivan>Well, no, but I want to be clear about what that is, about the extra stuff.

01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Ivan>The extra stuff that's been talked about and that there was controversy yesterday

01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.980
<v Ivan>because Kash Patel went on Rogan and said one thing, and Pam Bondi said something different.

01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:10.940
<v Ivan>It's about videos, specifically about videos with underage girls and who the

01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Ivan>hell's appearing on them.

01:01:12.120 --> 01:01:16.240
<v Ivan>Kash Patel went and said, oh, no, there's no such videos that are bad.

01:01:16.540 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Ivan>Pam Bondi said, well, we can't release these videos because they show all these

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.100
<v Ivan>underage girls, and we don't want to victimize them again.

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.140
<v Sam>Yes so the point i was making about

01:01:27.140 --> 01:01:30.240
<v Sam>musk is that the fact

01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:33.300
<v Sam>that he tweeted that does not indicate that

01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:37.700
<v Sam>he actually knows anything one way or the other true maybe he does maybe he

01:01:37.700 --> 01:01:42.240
<v Sam>doesn't it just indicates that he thinks saying that would have an effect like

01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:47.040
<v Sam>okay now the truth of what may or may not exist is an entirely separate question

01:01:47.040 --> 01:01:50.240
<v Sam>i'm just saying that to to elon musk that's irrelevant.

01:01:50.540 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Sam>What's relevant is that saying that would have an impact.

01:01:53.420 --> 01:01:57.740
<v Ivan>But here is the thing, right? Three months ago, in February,

01:01:57.980 --> 01:02:03.060
<v Ivan>right, Pam Bondi invited all these people that she supposedly gave the Epstein

01:02:03.060 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Ivan>files to. And what did she hand them?

01:02:06.630 --> 01:02:09.910
<v Ivan>You remember? Okay, I remember. Empty binders.

01:02:10.390 --> 01:02:11.830
<v Sam>Oh, yes, I do remember that.

01:02:11.830 --> 01:02:17.030
<v Ivan>And they marched out of the White House with these binders that had nothing in them. Nothing.

01:02:18.050 --> 01:02:24.190
<v Ivan>Then you get this report that the New York office, I think of the,

01:02:24.310 --> 01:02:28.910
<v Ivan>I can't remember which agency, I can't remember it was the attorney general,

01:02:29.290 --> 01:02:34.150
<v Ivan>basically had an entire crew of people scouring through these files. Okay?

01:02:34.510 --> 01:02:38.050
<v Ivan>Scouring and scouring and scouring to supposedly to to

01:02:38.050 --> 01:02:43.170
<v Ivan>redact to do whatever in order to publish the files and nothing still has been

01:02:43.170 --> 01:02:49.550
<v Ivan>released okay now now remember they promised promised we are going to release

01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:56.650
<v Ivan>these and then all of a sudden three months later we've got dick nothing and.

01:02:56.650 --> 01:03:02.250
<v Sam>I will also remind people of the lawsuit that was about to go forward right

01:03:02.250 --> 01:03:09.190
<v Sam>before the 2016 election with the person who claims that Donald Trump and Epstein

01:03:09.190 --> 01:03:10.910
<v Sam>did something with her when she was 13.

01:03:11.210 --> 01:03:11.430
<v Ivan>Right.

01:03:11.770 --> 01:03:12.910
<v Sam>And that was squashed.

01:03:13.290 --> 01:03:15.930
<v Ivan>That's probably another cat, one of these catch and kill things.

01:03:16.270 --> 01:03:20.970
<v Sam>Yeah. And that was withdrawn like weeks before the election.

01:03:21.250 --> 01:03:21.610
<v Ivan>The election.

01:03:22.690 --> 01:03:29.510
<v Sam>And under sort of, the person in question backed off, didn't want to do it anymore, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:30.730 --> 01:03:34.650
<v Sam>And she could have been scared. She could have been bribed.

01:03:34.650 --> 01:03:37.910
<v Sam>there's all kinds of reasons or or maybe

01:03:37.910 --> 01:03:40.890
<v Sam>she realized that she was lying

01:03:40.890 --> 01:03:43.770
<v Sam>and there was nothing to it and she better get off we don't know

01:03:43.770 --> 01:03:46.770
<v Sam>but but yeah like look this all this

01:03:46.770 --> 01:03:51.210
<v Sam>kind of stuff has been out there for years the musk's point in doing this was

01:03:51.210 --> 01:03:58.450
<v Sam>just just to sort of turn the screwdriver for donald trump and and and ratchet

01:03:58.450 --> 01:04:06.430
<v Sam>up this now i saw i have not confirmed myself but I saw somebody post something this morning that says,

01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:09.460
<v Sam>Musk has now removed that post.

01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:12.160
<v Ivan>Well, I'm not on X, so I don't know.

01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm not on X either.

01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:18.320
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, remove that post. Like, yeah, nobody saw it, Sam. That solves the

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.460
<v Ivan>problem. Nobody saw that.

01:04:20.740 --> 01:04:26.600
<v Sam>Well, the question on all of this is, are they going to de-escalate and make friends again?

01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:32.320
<v Ivan>Well, listen, I saw Donald Trump, like, on Air Force One, I guess he was coming

01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.380
<v Ivan>back fucking Mar-a-Lago again,

01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:44.500
<v Ivan>basically saying something like he refused to engage reporters' questions about the...

01:04:45.100 --> 01:04:49.260
<v Ivan>Tiff kept saying, oh, I wish him well. Oh, I wish him well.

01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.900
<v Sam>Right. Whereas 24 hours previously, he had been going...

01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.540
<v Ivan>I'm fucking canceling all of you. Go fuck yourself. Fuck you.

01:04:56.720 --> 01:04:57.660
<v Ivan>And all of a sudden, I wish him well.

01:04:57.660 --> 01:05:03.040
<v Sam>And he'd been going through the rounds calling every cable news anchor he could

01:05:03.040 --> 01:05:08.940
<v Sam>think of to trash musk some of them yeah so he's pushing.

01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:14.320
<v Ivan>Him well 24 hours later what the fuck is going what what the fuck happened behind the scenes sam.

01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.740
<v Sam>So that is bizarre well there are a couple things that i think first of all

01:05:18.740 --> 01:05:30.080
<v Sam>i think musk was hoping that a significant portion of sort of the MAGA base would take his side.

01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:34.180
<v Sam>And it looks like that portion is relatively small.

01:05:34.380 --> 01:05:38.980
<v Sam>Like, all of the congressional Republicans are like, yeah, we hope this goes

01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:43.220
<v Sam>away, but if Bush comes to shove, we're on Trump. We're on Team Trump.

01:05:44.160 --> 01:05:49.240
<v Sam>There was a poll that came out that showed, like, Musk's support was relatively

01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:50.900
<v Sam>small amongst Republicans.

01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Ivan>It was, I mean, it was, like, Republicans, the poll, But, but,

01:05:56.180 --> 01:06:01.140
<v Ivan>but, but, but this poll seemed to have not been like yesterday or this week. Okay.

01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Sam>I understood it was a.

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:08.940
<v Ivan>Let me double check. Let me see. Let me double check because I'm looking at,

01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:10.160
<v Ivan>I'm looking it up right now.

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Ivan>The number that came up was 6%. Okay.

01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:18.740
<v Ivan>According to this versus 71 for Trump and 12, which basically neither.

01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.180
<v Ivan>Yesterday at 10, 12 a.m. Let me double check to make sure that this poll was a,

01:06:23.980 --> 01:06:27.900
<v Ivan>cat turns lined up with the president apparently prompting must to unfollow

01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:31.640
<v Ivan>him but he's not alone full release by you govern the wake of conflagration

01:06:31.640 --> 01:06:39.540
<v Ivan>so yes it was actually time um yes so they they it showed that must get six percent and also.

01:06:39.540 --> 01:06:44.360
<v Sam>I think when push comes to shove on the threats they were making against each

01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:49.520
<v Sam>other yeah to use trump's own terminology trump has the cards points.

01:06:50.240 --> 01:06:56.180
<v Sam>You know, Trump has more leverage against Musk than the other way around.

01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.500
<v Ivan>Oh, totally. Because Trump has the force of the federal government.

01:07:01.340 --> 01:07:06.060
<v Ivan>But this is the problem that Musk created for himself, okay?

01:07:06.380 --> 01:07:10.900
<v Sam>Well, yeah, but look, I will point out, I will point out just for the record,

01:07:11.180 --> 01:07:18.080
<v Sam>that many of the things Trump and Trump's team are threatening are questionably

01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:22.480
<v Sam>legal and would undoubtedly end up for years in court.

01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:28.460
<v Sam>But we know this administration doesn't care about that, so it wouldn't matter.

01:07:28.580 --> 01:07:34.060
<v Sam>So we've got the threat of the unilateral cancellation of all the SpaceX contracts.

01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:39.540
<v Sam>Okay, well, these are contracts. They have been signed. There are provisions

01:07:39.540 --> 01:07:42.720
<v Sam>in them for how and where you cancel.

01:07:42.900 --> 01:07:48.020
<v Sam>There's also federal government regulations on how things have to follow processes

01:07:48.020 --> 01:07:51.440
<v Sam>and can't just be arbitrary decisions by the president.

01:07:51.740 --> 01:07:56.120
<v Sam>Now, as I said, Donald Trump clearly doesn't care about any of that.

01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.700
<v Sam>He could try to cancel it anyway. And of course, it'll end up in court.

01:08:00.380 --> 01:08:04.820
<v Sam>But the point is, he could cause extreme disruption right now.

01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:08.780
<v Sam>We've also got a number of Trump's advisors saying, hey,

01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:15.480
<v Sam>you should investigate Elon Musk's initial visa into the United States and whether

01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:22.920
<v Sam>there were irregularities into him overstaying the visa or lying on the visa

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:24.200
<v Sam>or anything else like that.

01:08:24.260 --> 01:08:26.160
<v Ivan>Can we revoke bus citizenship?

01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:31.280
<v Sam>Yeah, because while he is a naturalized citizenship, now if it turned out that

01:08:31.280 --> 01:08:36.300
<v Sam>that was predicated on fraud, you can revoke his citizenship and deport him.

01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:44.860
<v Sam>You know, there are also Trump advisers suggesting that skip canceling the contracts, just nationalize.

01:08:45.160 --> 01:08:48.740
<v Ivan>Nationalize SpaceX. Well, fuck, we've said that a year before.

01:08:49.480 --> 01:08:52.120
<v Ivan>I ain't agreeing with any of these assholes.

01:08:53.820 --> 01:08:57.420
<v Sam>But again, questionable legality.

01:08:58.080 --> 01:09:03.100
<v Sam>Although for the nationalizing SpaceX, there is apparently, and people were

01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:05.480
<v Sam>talking about this earlier in the

01:09:05.480 --> 01:09:12.120
<v Sam>Ukraine war. There are laws where the president can basically take U.S.

01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:18.160
<v Sam>manufacturing capability that is significant to national security and take over

01:09:18.160 --> 01:09:20.620
<v Sam>in one way or another, or at least mandate what it does.

01:09:20.620 --> 01:09:26.660
<v Ivan>A news story in the Washington Post, okay, summarizing some of the stuff that's been going on.

01:09:27.220 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Ivan>Summarizing some, because I mentioned a lot of things that Musk said about Trump.

01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:35.540
<v Ivan>Trump said, rattled in the wake of Elon Musk's public attacks,

01:09:35.740 --> 01:09:38.860
<v Ivan>this is inside the battles that shattered Trump and Musk's alliance,

01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:40.480
<v Ivan>okay, is a news story there.

01:09:40.740 --> 01:09:43.320
<v Ivan>And a parent called for his impeachment, because by the way,

01:09:43.400 --> 01:09:46.800
<v Ivan>Musk called for Trump's impeachment as well, for God's sakes,

01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.920
<v Ivan>okay? Trump worked the phones, the briefing, close confidence,

01:09:50.080 --> 01:09:51.280
<v Ivan>and casual acquaintances alike.

01:09:51.660 --> 01:09:55.380
<v Ivan>His former ally was a big-time drug addict, he called him.

01:09:55.660 --> 01:09:55.840
<v Sam>Yes, yeah.

01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.460
<v Ivan>Trump said at one point, as he tried to make sense of must behavior,

01:09:58.620 --> 01:10:01.840
<v Ivan>according to a person with knowledge to call, who liked other interviews for

01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:03.800
<v Ivan>his story on the condition of anonymity.

01:10:03.900 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Ivan>But he called him, man, he called him a fucking big-time drug addict. And by the way.

01:10:09.360 --> 01:10:13.060
<v Sam>Trump has— And we talked about the New York Times article from last week, last week. Yeah.

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:19.300
<v Ivan>Yeah, but Trump has a big issue with addiction, okay? Yes, because of his brother.

01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:26.840
<v Ivan>His brother died, you know, with a huge alcohol addiction. It's the reason why Trump doesn't drink.

01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:34.800
<v Ivan>So this for him isn't some, you know, it's something that is a...

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.120
<v Sam>Is actually personal to him.

01:10:36.540 --> 01:10:38.620
<v Ivan>Yes, totally, okay?

01:10:38.860 --> 01:10:42.520
<v Sam>Well, almost everything is personal to Donald Trump. That's how he lives his

01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:49.700
<v Sam>life. But this specifically, he cares about this issue because of the personal

01:10:49.700 --> 01:10:50.840
<v Sam>experience in his family.

01:10:51.560 --> 01:11:05.280
<v Ivan>Yes. So, I mean, yes, Trump definitely has far a lot more ammunition that he could hurt Musk with.

01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:12.100
<v Ivan>And the reality is that even if he can't cancel immediately a SpaceX contract.

01:11:12.100 --> 01:11:19.060
<v Sam>Musk can make some noise on X. Musk could make some mischief with SpaceX, but if he does...

01:11:20.270 --> 01:11:23.070
<v Sam>the feds have all kinds of ways to retaliate and deal with that.

01:11:23.070 --> 01:11:28.550
<v Ivan>Um let me give you one example right now look let me tell you something you've

01:11:28.550 --> 01:11:31.210
<v Ivan>had all these starship launches that have been,

01:11:32.110 --> 01:11:37.070
<v Ivan>chaotic okay that all of a sudden with what he did going into the administration

01:11:37.070 --> 01:11:40.210
<v Ivan>he had basically despite the investigations.

01:11:40.210 --> 01:11:42.010
<v Sam>Of those and killed any.

01:11:42.010 --> 01:11:44.670
<v Ivan>Yes like there was movement to.

01:11:44.670 --> 01:11:48.390
<v Sam>Further regulate and those died. But they can come back.

01:11:48.630 --> 01:11:54.330
<v Ivan>Guess. Take a wild guess. You think that now after he called for his impeachment

01:11:54.330 --> 01:11:58.630
<v Ivan>or whatever, do you think that these people are going to back off on him?

01:11:58.770 --> 01:12:01.370
<v Ivan>I'll tell you something. I'm going to say this right now.

01:12:01.790 --> 01:12:05.930
<v Ivan>I bet you there isn't another Starship launch anytime soon.

01:12:07.390 --> 01:12:11.430
<v Ivan>They're going to stop him from launches now. They're going to say, fuck you, no.

01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:15.710
<v Ivan>You've blown up five of these. we need to do a thorough investigation.

01:12:16.590 --> 01:12:21.390
<v Sam>I could easily see that I mean honestly that's the prudent thing to do anyway

01:12:21.390 --> 01:12:22.970
<v Sam>that would have been the prudent.

01:12:22.970 --> 01:12:24.730
<v Ivan>Thing to do but the point is that they.

01:12:24.730 --> 01:12:30.210
<v Sam>Had if he was still in the good graces of the administration they would have

01:12:30.210 --> 01:12:31.250
<v Sam>just gone full speed ahead,

01:12:32.670 --> 01:12:40.630
<v Sam>or let SpaceX do whatever they wanted to yeah look and this is why I think you're

01:12:40.630 --> 01:12:47.630
<v Sam>going to get some sort of truce, but it'll be a truce under,

01:12:48.190 --> 01:12:51.410
<v Sam>it will be Trump winning this debate.

01:12:51.990 --> 01:12:57.590
<v Sam>Or at the very least, like this truce may be just Elon decides to be quiet for a while.

01:12:57.790 --> 01:13:00.930
<v Sam>Rather, you know, because he realizes he's lost.

01:13:01.930 --> 01:13:04.650
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, you're right.

01:13:04.810 --> 01:13:09.810
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't see, the problem that Musk has right now is that there is no

01:13:09.810 --> 01:13:12.290
<v Ivan>winning scenario here. in any direction.

01:13:12.550 --> 01:13:14.630
<v Ivan>Here's a fucking problem that Musk's got.

01:13:15.170 --> 01:13:21.170
<v Ivan>The people that used to be his biggest supporters in the past were all these

01:13:21.170 --> 01:13:27.590
<v Ivan>people that were all in on him because, hey, electric cars, solar power,

01:13:28.230 --> 01:13:31.890
<v Ivan>you know, you're helping the future, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:32.150 --> 01:13:33.350
<v Sam>Hey, those don't sound like maggots.

01:13:33.350 --> 01:13:38.250
<v Ivan>And he went to all those people. Exactly. And he went and gave the middle finger

01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:43.330
<v Ivan>to all those fucking people across the world.

01:13:43.690 --> 01:13:49.130
<v Ivan>Okay? He gave him the fucking middle finger to back this shit.

01:13:49.450 --> 01:13:56.650
<v Ivan>Now, as everybody that goes and tries to make a deal with Donald winds up getting

01:13:56.650 --> 01:14:01.630
<v Ivan>fucked, as I totally expected and predicted,

01:14:02.130 --> 01:14:04.470
<v Ivan>okay? He was going to get fucked.

01:14:04.470 --> 01:14:08.170
<v Sam>Almost everybody did. It wasn't your unique prediction. No.

01:14:08.330 --> 01:14:12.670
<v Sam>The question was what the time frame would be. like no but i.

01:14:12.670 --> 01:14:15.610
<v Ivan>I i did give it 90 days okay.

01:14:15.610 --> 01:14:18.530
<v Sam>No i know you said it was going to be right on there were a

01:14:18.530 --> 01:14:22.510
<v Sam>few people that gave it like short time frames i believe on our prediction show

01:14:22.510 --> 01:14:28.030
<v Sam>you said like like around this time i said i thought he would make it to the

01:14:28.030 --> 01:14:35.610
<v Sam>second half of the year he almost did almost but not quite uh you know so you

01:14:35.610 --> 01:14:38.450
<v Sam>know but like there were a lot

01:14:38.510 --> 01:14:43.610
<v Sam>of people said there is no way this relationship can last for the long term.

01:14:43.850 --> 01:14:47.370
<v Sam>And there was a betting market on how long it would take before they fell apart.

01:14:47.610 --> 01:14:52.930
<v Sam>But, you know, there weren't a lot of people saying they'll still be buddy buddies in four years.

01:14:53.370 --> 01:14:57.670
<v Sam>Now, who knows? They may make up. They may all be like shaking hands again.

01:14:57.990 --> 01:15:06.690
<v Ivan>I mean, Trump has made up with Trump has made up with people that he was publicly feuded like crazy.

01:15:06.910 --> 01:15:12.170
<v Ivan>I mean, look at Marco Rubio in the fucking State Department, for God's sakes.

01:15:12.370 --> 01:15:12.630
<v Sam>Yes.

01:15:13.380 --> 01:15:17.480
<v Ivan>So, you know, it's possible.

01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:22.820
<v Ivan>But I think in the short term right now, all of these, you know,

01:15:23.460 --> 01:15:28.640
<v Ivan>Musk played this hand, played it heavily, and economically,

01:15:29.940 --> 01:15:33.220
<v Ivan>all it's done is give him loss after loss.

01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:37.860
<v Sam>Yeah, I think that's your key.

01:15:38.220 --> 01:15:44.960
<v Sam>And I don't know, he may fight on, he may do more stuff, But I kind of suspect

01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:51.360
<v Sam>that at a certain point, he realizes that he thought he had a play that he didn't.

01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.600
<v Sam>He thought there'd be all kinds of people rallying to his defense,

01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:59.680
<v Sam>that he'd be able to split the Republican caucus, that he might be able to kill

01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:00.800
<v Sam>the big, beautiful bill.

01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:04.900
<v Sam>Now, the big, beautiful bill has issues in the Senate anyway. It may die regardless.

01:16:04.900 --> 01:16:08.160
<v Ivan>Listen, I don't know if he's killing the big, beautiful bill.

01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:11.080
<v Ivan>I think the problem with the big, beautiful bill is a problem that is built

01:16:11.080 --> 01:16:13.300
<v Ivan>into the big, beautiful bill. OK, all right.

01:16:13.460 --> 01:16:16.680
<v Sam>That's what I say. It has a problem. It may die anyway, but I don't think it's Elon.

01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:20.140
<v Ivan>Right. It's not Elon killing it. OK.

01:16:20.500 --> 01:16:23.220
<v Ivan>But again, but here's the one thing about this. OK.

01:16:23.460 --> 01:16:26.260
<v Ivan>And how these coalitions are and how the hell it is.

01:16:26.480 --> 01:16:32.340
<v Ivan>Despite the fact that we're saying, hey, OK, the Republicans have stood by Donald.

01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:38.420
<v Ivan>OK. But here's the reality. in the political environment we are in,

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.600
<v Ivan>when it's only 71%, that's not good.

01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.080
<v Ivan>That's not good. It's only 71% of them.

01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:54.360
<v Ivan>That's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, you lost 30, you lost 29% of them in this fight.

01:16:54.620 --> 01:16:59.820
<v Ivan>So, while 71% of Republicans is strong enough to maintain, you know,

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:04.940
<v Ivan>all these people that you need, like the House or whatever, align nominally

01:17:04.940 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Ivan>in terms of like, well, you're not getting impeached or whatever.

01:17:08.280 --> 01:17:13.700
<v Ivan>Losing that percentage is enough to derail a bill like this.

01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:19.980
<v Sam>Well, especially the bill was in trouble anyway. Like it barely passed in the House.

01:17:20.620 --> 01:17:24.400
<v Sam>And well, of course, it barely passed in the House. That's what the margin is

01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:25.640
<v Sam>like, you know, but right.

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:32.480
<v Sam>But in the Senate, right off of day one, there were people, there were Republican

01:17:32.480 --> 01:17:35.620
<v Sam>senators saying they couldn't vote for it. it needed to change.

01:17:35.820 --> 01:17:37.900
<v Sam>They needed to adjust X, Y, Z.

01:17:38.240 --> 01:17:42.740
<v Sam>And the problem with that is the things that need to be adjusted to get one

01:17:42.740 --> 01:17:45.200
<v Sam>set of people loses another set of people.

01:17:45.820 --> 01:17:51.140
<v Sam>And so now I kind of feel like in the end, they'll pull out something.

01:17:51.780 --> 01:17:56.660
<v Sam>Now, what that something will be, I don't know. But like, I feel like whatever it is.

01:17:56.820 --> 01:17:58.960
<v Ivan>It's not going to be a big, beautiful bill. Let me tell you something,

01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:00.800
<v Ivan>whatever it is, not going to be a big, beautiful bill.

01:18:00.940 --> 01:18:04.480
<v Ivan>And it's precisely because of what you said. Okay. The biggest problem with

01:18:04.480 --> 01:18:06.040
<v Ivan>the big, beautiful bill is that,

01:18:07.110 --> 01:18:08.550
<v Ivan>Any of the concessions that you

01:18:08.550 --> 01:18:13.190
<v Ivan>need to make on this bill to get it passed lose you way too many people.

01:18:13.510 --> 01:18:19.890
<v Ivan>You can see to the hawks more, you lose a whole bunch of moderates.

01:18:20.950 --> 01:18:23.830
<v Ivan>They're like, look, we can't vote for this. Okay?

01:18:24.050 --> 01:18:24.150
<v Sam>Right.

01:18:25.310 --> 01:18:31.590
<v Ivan>You go and you try to raise taxes, that's another fucking group of people big that you lose.

01:18:31.590 --> 01:18:36.650
<v Ivan>Any way you go and you push this damn bill because it's so big and so weirdly,

01:18:37.450 --> 01:18:43.470
<v Ivan>you wind up losing large swats of people that say, fuck you, we can't do this.

01:18:43.470 --> 01:18:49.030
<v Sam>Well, and this is also why congressional people were trying to tell Donald Trump,

01:18:49.230 --> 01:18:53.470
<v Sam>don't do one big, beautiful bill, do a series of smaller bills.

01:18:53.550 --> 01:18:54.730
<v Ivan>Do a series of smaller bills.

01:18:54.890 --> 01:19:00.230
<v Sam>Because then you can get different coalitions for these different things and

01:19:00.230 --> 01:19:01.810
<v Sam>maybe pass them independently.

01:19:01.990 --> 01:19:08.290
<v Sam>Whereas if you roll it up together, there's always something that is a breaker

01:19:08.290 --> 01:19:11.710
<v Sam>for somebody. Now, you know, again.

01:19:12.030 --> 01:19:19.530
<v Ivan>I'll tell you one thing that I just saw this week, a group of of of I believe

01:19:19.530 --> 01:19:21.290
<v Ivan>I don't think it was just House people.

01:19:21.410 --> 01:19:27.550
<v Ivan>I think it was senators and House congressmen basically were making a big push

01:19:27.550 --> 01:19:35.710
<v Ivan>to strip from the bill all these cuts that were being done to for things that were from the IRA.

01:19:35.710 --> 01:19:42.070
<v Ivan>because they knew that their districts were going to get destroyed by these, okay?

01:19:42.530 --> 01:19:42.690
<v Sam>Right.

01:19:42.890 --> 01:19:47.930
<v Ivan>So there is a big push to strip all that shit out because they're like,

01:19:48.030 --> 01:19:49.550
<v Ivan>damn it, what are we fucking doing?

01:19:50.190 --> 01:19:54.770
<v Sam>Yeah, there were specifically reports of House members who had voted for the

01:19:54.770 --> 01:19:59.850
<v Sam>bill asking their Senate colleagues to please take this stuff out that they voted for.

01:20:00.150 --> 01:20:03.150
<v Ivan>That they voted for! Fucking idiots!

01:20:03.150 --> 01:20:07.650
<v Sam>For exactly the reason you're talking about. Well, they needed to get on record

01:20:07.650 --> 01:20:14.630
<v Sam>as supporting Trump's policies, but then they want to make sure that it doesn't

01:20:14.630 --> 01:20:15.370
<v Sam>actually take it to effect.

01:20:16.130 --> 01:20:23.870
<v Ivan>There's one provision that would basically make it that no foreign person would want to buy any U.S.

01:20:24.010 --> 01:20:28.490
<v Ivan>investments because of the tax implications that they added to it. It was nuts.

01:20:29.620 --> 01:20:35.320
<v Ivan>They they put so much shit that is toxic in this bill.

01:20:35.700 --> 01:20:44.000
<v Ivan>OK, it's this bill is it's just ridiculously bad.

01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:48.240
<v Ivan>And, you know, the funny thing is when you get somebody, of course,

01:20:48.340 --> 01:20:53.020
<v Ivan>not surprising, like Marjorie Taylor Greene saying, oh, this thing was in there.

01:20:53.160 --> 01:20:57.720
<v Ivan>And then she says, oh, I never saw that. I'm like, so you didn't read the bill.

01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:04.220
<v Sam>To be fair, both sides have yelled at the other side for decades about not reading

01:21:04.220 --> 01:21:12.380
<v Sam>the bill because that is a legislative reality in how these things are constructed.

01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:18.720
<v Ivan>Come on, man. You've got a fucking staff of people to go and like parse and

01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.860
<v Ivan>summarize and go through this fucking thing in order to make sure you know what

01:21:23.860 --> 01:21:25.780
<v Ivan>the fuck is in there or not. You're not sitting.

01:21:25.900 --> 01:21:28.920
<v Ivan>I mean, I understand how difficult it is for one person to read it.

01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:30.460
<v Ivan>But that's why you have the staff.

01:21:31.220 --> 01:21:36.660
<v Sam>You split up the 1,800 pages. Everybody gets 100 pages and you make sure to

01:21:36.660 --> 01:21:38.580
<v Sam>flag to your principal the things that matter.

01:21:39.240 --> 01:21:45.040
<v Ivan>Exactly. But these people don't even do that anymore, Sam. They don't do that anymore.

01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.080
<v Sam>Well, I would also say...

01:21:48.080 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Ivan>Some of them.

01:21:49.100 --> 01:21:54.700
<v Sam>Some of them, yeah. But I would also say there's an issue that I don't necessarily

01:21:54.700 --> 01:21:58.020
<v Sam>believe the protestations that they didn't know.

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:03.240
<v Sam>I'm sure in some cases they don't know. I'm sure in some cases they actually

01:22:03.240 --> 01:22:05.580
<v Sam>didn't know because Marjorie Taylor Greene is an idiot.

01:22:06.140 --> 01:22:11.840
<v Sam>And so I'm sure I'm sure she didn't. OK, but I'm sure there are plenty of other

01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:14.740
<v Sam>people who protest. Oh, I had no idea.

01:22:15.620 --> 01:22:19.460
<v Ivan>Oh, and they knew. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm with you. No, I'm with you. Yeah.

01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:22.840
<v Sam>I mean, just like all of these Congress people who are like,

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Sam>oh, did Donald Trump tweet something? I had no idea.

01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.860
<v Sam>You know, he didn't tweet something, a truth, a truth. Well,

01:22:30.980 --> 01:22:33.580
<v Sam>now he truths it, but like, you know.

01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.100
<v Ivan>Well, well, let's call it a tweet anyway, because that he was,

01:22:36.260 --> 01:22:40.120
<v Ivan>what is a, what is something that you post on X supposed to be called?

01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:41.300
<v Sam>A shit?

01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:43.280
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:22:44.240 --> 01:22:45.140
<v Sam>I don't know.

01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:46.960
<v Ivan>Sounds perfect to me.

01:22:47.900 --> 01:22:52.180
<v Sam>No, the, but yeah, that was another interesting part of this whole thing is

01:22:52.180 --> 01:22:56.180
<v Sam>like people are talking about how they were going at each other on their respective

01:22:56.180 --> 01:22:57.840
<v Sam>social media platforms.

01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:07.860
<v Sam>You know? You have the two billionaires each with their own captured social media that,

01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:14.200
<v Sam>undoubtedly are rigged to boost their own posts, etc, etc.

01:23:14.480 --> 01:23:19.240
<v Ivan>No! No way! Nah! Come on! Nah!

01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:23.960
<v Sam>Elon would never do that. Donald would never do that. No, no,

01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:32.700
<v Sam>no, but OK, here one more one more Elon related thing before we take a break

01:23:32.700 --> 01:23:34.400
<v Sam>and move on. I don't even know what else.

01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.920
<v Sam>Like, well, we'll see about the last segment.

01:23:38.080 --> 01:23:46.200
<v Sam>But there was a lot of reaction and then counter reaction to a certain group

01:23:46.200 --> 01:23:51.940
<v Sam>of I'm going to say Democrats, but it also included never Trumpers and such.

01:23:51.940 --> 01:23:57.860
<v Sam>to this whole feud going, enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let's figure out how

01:23:57.860 --> 01:24:03.180
<v Sam>to make nice with Elon and bring him back into the fold and figure out how to use him.

01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:09.080
<v Ivan>On video, I am showing me like giving both my middle fingers to this idea.

01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:11.120
<v Ivan>I mean, fuck Elon. I don't care.

01:24:12.700 --> 01:24:17.960
<v Ivan>I mean, well, listen, I hated Elon before he tied himself to MAGA.

01:24:18.160 --> 01:24:22.860
<v Ivan>So I hated him as a MAGA. I still hate him now. Fuck him.

01:24:23.660 --> 01:24:32.100
<v Sam>And look, here's the thing. He is, it is one thing to cheer on and say,

01:24:32.220 --> 01:24:35.660
<v Sam>hey, it's great that they're fighting amongst themselves.

01:24:36.580 --> 01:24:42.360
<v Sam>Sure. Stand back and let them do it. It is quite another thing to say, oh,

01:24:42.620 --> 01:24:49.440
<v Sam>okay, in that case, let's work with Elon and see how we can make it so that

01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:51.960
<v Sam>he will like us and support us instead.

01:24:52.440 --> 01:24:56.200
<v Sam>And I think this ties to the more general question.

01:24:56.930 --> 01:25:01.810
<v Sam>There's been a more general debate amongst Democrats that we've touched on here

01:25:01.810 --> 01:25:09.250
<v Sam>before about whether the right way forward is to try to change Democratic positions

01:25:09.250 --> 01:25:14.810
<v Sam>to try to convert marginal Trump voters and try to bring over,

01:25:15.330 --> 01:25:18.810
<v Sam>you bring back the white middle class, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:25:19.050 --> 01:25:24.090
<v Sam>Like, let's let's, you know, let's throw the trans people under the bus.

01:25:24.410 --> 01:25:26.550
<v Sam>Let's moderate on immigration.

01:25:26.550 --> 01:25:31.650
<v Ivan>Like I said before, the problem with all of these is not the it's not it's not

01:25:31.650 --> 01:25:32.770
<v Ivan>the Democratic positions.

01:25:32.970 --> 01:25:37.750
<v Ivan>The problem is that the Democrats never had an effective way of how to counter

01:25:37.750 --> 01:25:40.870
<v Ivan>the straw man that that that Republicans made.

01:25:40.870 --> 01:25:45.350
<v Ivan>Because when when when when the Republicans went anti-trans,

01:25:45.810 --> 01:25:48.850
<v Ivan>what the Democrats did and mostly did was nothing.

01:25:48.850 --> 01:25:55.710
<v Ivan>They didn't say they said, but they didn't go and combat the misinformation

01:25:55.710 --> 01:25:57.630
<v Ivan>that they were giving on all of this.

01:25:57.750 --> 01:26:01.410
<v Ivan>Well, instead of like going, I'm like, oh, my God, men, women's,

01:26:01.470 --> 01:26:03.910
<v Ivan>you know, women's courts are being invaded by men.

01:26:04.030 --> 01:26:10.310
<v Ivan>You should have gone and had an ad that said, guys, they're talking about five athletes out of 80,000.

01:26:10.870 --> 01:26:14.510
<v Ivan>OK, because that's the reality. This isn't real.

01:26:15.050 --> 01:26:21.790
<v Ivan>OK, well, true. And how they just ignored it. The same thing with abortion rights.

01:26:22.270 --> 01:26:23.370
<v Sam>Yeah, we've had this.

01:26:23.410 --> 01:26:27.530
<v Ivan>Again, they go, oh, the Democrats are pro-abortion. And they're like,

01:26:27.630 --> 01:26:30.770
<v Ivan>no, idiots, we're not pro-abortion. We're pro-women's rights.

01:26:30.890 --> 01:26:35.190
<v Ivan>But they don't scream it at the top of the lungs to oppose this misinformation.

01:26:35.770 --> 01:26:37.050
<v Sam>And so the problem.

01:26:37.170 --> 01:26:40.430
<v Ivan>Again, is not opposition. The problem is that the Democrats sit there and like,

01:26:40.490 --> 01:26:43.510
<v Ivan>you know what? Oh, we're going to pass a great bill, okay?

01:26:44.110 --> 01:26:48.110
<v Ivan>We're going to do this, and we're going to legislate, and we're going to do this or whatever.

01:26:48.350 --> 01:26:53.510
<v Ivan>And, you know, with this walkie bill, which, by the way, has many benefits, it's going to be great.

01:26:53.610 --> 01:26:58.030
<v Ivan>But the reality is that, unfortunately, the human reality is that most people

01:26:58.030 --> 01:27:04.570
<v Ivan>don't see that shit that is the real shit that actually helps them live their

01:27:04.570 --> 01:27:06.750
<v Ivan>lives, that is done behind the scenes.

01:27:07.070 --> 01:27:10.630
<v Ivan>They don't really have the appreciation for it.

01:27:10.970 --> 01:27:14.490
<v Sam>We've talked about this before. I think part of it, you're absolutely right,

01:27:14.610 --> 01:27:18.210
<v Sam>combat the misinformation. But I think it's fundamentally more than that.

01:27:18.930 --> 01:27:23.870
<v Sam>And I thought there was a brief window where I thought the Democrats were past

01:27:23.870 --> 01:27:30.330
<v Sam>this and were going to do this right, and then they sort of retreated to their old ways, which is...

01:27:31.010 --> 01:27:35.750
<v Sam>You can't retreat from these culture war issues and be like,

01:27:36.290 --> 01:27:42.090
<v Sam>you know, oh, like, they're talking about trans people, so we want to hide and not talk about.

01:27:42.130 --> 01:27:47.070
<v Ivan>Like, this issue. No, no, no, you combat the misinformation head on.

01:27:47.130 --> 01:27:53.150
<v Sam>But not only do you combat the misinformation, you vigorously defend your own position.

01:27:53.350 --> 01:27:54.070
<v Ivan>And why?

01:27:54.070 --> 01:27:59.170
<v Sam>You talk about why you are right and they are wrong, you know,

01:27:59.330 --> 01:28:06.590
<v Sam>because for years and years and years, and this goes back, I'd say, all the way to, like,

01:28:07.350 --> 01:28:15.490
<v Sam>I want to say the 70s on lots of issues where the Democrats sort of decided that the general,

01:28:15.770 --> 01:28:20.970
<v Sam>or maybe it's the 80s, maybe it's after Ronald Reagan, where the Democrats were

01:28:20.970 --> 01:28:23.290
<v Sam>beaten so badly by Ronald Reagan.

01:28:23.290 --> 01:28:31.390
<v Sam>that they decided, oh, hell, the conservative positions, the Americans really are conservative.

01:28:31.510 --> 01:28:36.490
<v Sam>So we have to hide our liberal positions, pretend to be more moderate,

01:28:36.730 --> 01:28:39.830
<v Sam>and that's the only way we can win.

01:28:40.070 --> 01:28:47.090
<v Sam>Like there's Bill Clinton's triangulation strategy to try to capture the middle.

01:28:47.250 --> 01:28:52.790
<v Sam>And you've still got a lot of people in the Democratic Party who came up in that era.

01:28:53.110 --> 01:28:57.550
<v Sam>Whereas, look, if you do the polling on an individual by individual basis,

01:28:57.890 --> 01:28:59.890
<v Sam>individual issue by individual basis,

01:29:00.670 --> 01:29:08.110
<v Sam>they, you know, the Democrat, the liberal position is the majority position on immigration.

01:29:09.650 --> 01:29:11.470
<v Sam>Immigration is questionable. It's very.

01:29:11.530 --> 01:29:14.970
<v Ivan>No, no, no. On immigration. No, no, no. In immigration, you're right.

01:29:15.170 --> 01:29:18.350
<v Ivan>I mean, immigration are against the mass deportations. Well, right, right.

01:29:19.150 --> 01:29:24.350
<v Sam>Yeah. Yes. There's some question on how you word it and what kinds of things you're talking about.

01:29:24.410 --> 01:29:27.190
<v Sam>But yeah, on immigration, people don't want this.

01:29:27.350 --> 01:29:32.190
<v Sam>On gay rights, people are for gay rights now. People are for gay marriage.

01:29:32.730 --> 01:29:36.770
<v Sam>The trans is a little bit behind that. But getting there, you know,

01:29:36.890 --> 01:29:42.530
<v Sam>on social issues, on like what the safety net should look like. Marijuana, abortion.

01:29:43.030 --> 01:29:44.670
<v Sam>Abortion. All of these issues.

01:29:45.030 --> 01:29:45.910
<v Ivan>Healthcare, social security.

01:29:46.390 --> 01:29:50.030
<v Sam>All of these issues are majority positions. So occasionally you get people like

01:29:50.030 --> 01:29:54.350
<v Sam>Matt Iglesias and people like that saying, Democrats should just poll things

01:29:54.350 --> 01:29:57.350
<v Sam>and then go after the popular issues, avoid the issues that aren't.

01:29:57.510 --> 01:30:01.270
<v Sam>And you can see that a little bit. But the problem is that,

01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:08.980
<v Sam>Voters and the public at large detect inauthenticity instinctually.

01:30:09.260 --> 01:30:10.600
<v Sam>And so if you've got.

01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:15.960
<v Ivan>People who are— One thing that you can say for sure is that Donald Trump is

01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:20.480
<v Ivan>an authentic racist and he shows it every day. So that's why his people love him.

01:30:22.020 --> 01:30:29.300
<v Ivan>It's true. They know he is one of theirs. They know he is one of theirs in that way.

01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:35.260
<v Sam>Right. So for all of these issues, when the Democrat hides from the issue and

01:30:35.260 --> 01:30:39.200
<v Sam>says, oh, they're attacking me on trans issues, so I'll just be quiet about that.

01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:46.400
<v Sam>Or, oh, they're really aggressive on immigration, so I have to become more aggressive on immigration, too.

01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:51.600
<v Sam>Or all of these things, they lose respect right off the bat.

01:30:51.860 --> 01:30:56.600
<v Sam>First of all, one of the things that Donald Trump also showed is you can win

01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:03.180
<v Sam>by just going for your base. Donald Trump makes no effort whatsoever to go after the center.

01:31:03.280 --> 01:31:05.280
<v Ivan>To go to the middle. Yeah, not at all.

01:31:05.340 --> 01:31:09.200
<v Sam>And how has he won? He has not won by converting people in the middle.

01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:13.880
<v Sam>He has won by getting people out to vote who don't normally vote.

01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:18.660
<v Sam>And the Democrats instead are constantly going back to, ooh,

01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:23.220
<v Sam>how do we get this squishy voter in the middle who doesn't pay attention to

01:31:23.220 --> 01:31:29.220
<v Sam>anything, as opposed to energize your fucking base instead of alienating them.

01:31:29.980 --> 01:31:32.220
<v Sam>So, like, when there's an issue...

01:31:33.180 --> 01:31:37.220
<v Sam>Like any of those that we just listed, don't hide from it.

01:31:37.620 --> 01:31:42.120
<v Sam>Defend your goddamn position and talk about why you are right and they are wrong.

01:31:42.440 --> 01:31:46.520
<v Sam>I keep coming back to the weird thing and stuff like that. This is why that

01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:50.160
<v Sam>was working for the short period of time the Harris folks were using it.

01:31:50.280 --> 01:31:50.440
<v Ivan>It was working.

01:31:50.780 --> 01:31:56.140
<v Sam>Because it's like, no, we're not the ones that are out of the mainstream.

01:31:56.420 --> 01:32:00.320
<v Sam>They're the ones that are out of the mainstream. They're the ones that are weird.

01:32:00.320 --> 01:32:06.800
<v Sam>They are the ones who like are advocating for cruel and unusual things that

01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:09.700
<v Sam>nobody supports. That strategy was working.

01:32:10.060 --> 01:32:13.640
<v Sam>Now, on the other hand, with this Elon thing, you all of a sudden get all these

01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:20.540
<v Sam>people saying, oh, what can we do to change our positions to get Elon solidly

01:32:20.540 --> 01:32:22.760
<v Sam>on our side? Because that would help so much.

01:32:24.540 --> 01:32:26.300
<v Sam>No, no. No.

01:32:26.940 --> 01:32:30.560
<v Ivan>Rule number one, tell Elon to go fuck himself.

01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:33.420
<v Ivan>And if you forget rule number two, if you forget about that,

01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:36.200
<v Ivan>please go back and read rule number one. That's it.

01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:45.360
<v Sam>And, you know, and the Democrats also have to be willing to alienate some supporters also.

01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.500
<v Sam>Like, you know, if you listen.

01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:53.360
<v Ivan>Here's one thing. Fifteen years ago, the Bernie Sanders approach was not the right approach.

01:32:53.360 --> 01:32:54.560
<v Sam>Yeah okay.

01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:59.360
<v Ivan>But right now it is when obama won it wasn't.

01:32:59.360 --> 01:33:00.420
<v Sam>Yeah but.

01:33:00.420 --> 01:33:07.000
<v Ivan>Right now that's the approach we need it needs to be combative it can't be appeasing

01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:10.340
<v Ivan>it has to be aggressive period.

01:33:10.340 --> 01:33:15.440
<v Sam>And part of that is being is having the hundred percent loss of all the governmental

01:33:15.440 --> 01:33:20.740
<v Sam>institutions when you were like you don't have you don't have the house you

01:33:20.740 --> 01:33:23.300
<v Sam>don't have the senate you don't have the presidency, you don't have the courts.

01:33:24.010 --> 01:33:28.530
<v Sam>In that situation, you can't act like a governing party.

01:33:28.870 --> 01:33:34.790
<v Sam>And I look, if you are in charge, there's certain things you have to do to govern well. But if you are.

01:33:34.790 --> 01:33:40.210
<v Ivan>You have to obstruct, you have to stop, you have to, you have to always be just,

01:33:40.670 --> 01:33:46.410
<v Ivan>listen, whatever the fuck they're doing, you do not, do not, do not.

01:33:46.730 --> 01:33:49.850
<v Ivan>Under any circumstances, give them anything.

01:33:50.650 --> 01:33:54.710
<v Ivan>Do not, even if it's something that you want, okay?

01:33:55.850 --> 01:33:58.630
<v Sam>And frankly, even if they're going to win in the end anyway,

01:33:58.750 --> 01:34:00.970
<v Sam>because they have the numbers, you have to write.

01:34:01.010 --> 01:34:05.050
<v Sam>Even more so in that situation, you have to be the opposition.

01:34:05.750 --> 01:34:06.250
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:34:06.710 --> 01:34:07.130
<v Sam>Anyway.

01:34:07.330 --> 01:34:07.570
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:34:08.410 --> 01:34:13.450
<v Sam>That was drifting a little bit from Elon, but the reason is there is such a

01:34:13.450 --> 01:34:19.170
<v Sam>resurgence this last week of these people going like, yay, now Elon's our friend. Bullshit.

01:34:19.850 --> 01:34:21.790
<v Sam>He's not your friend. He will never be your friend.

01:34:22.070 --> 01:34:26.630
<v Ivan>He wasn't your friend. He's never been your friend. Never been your friend.

01:34:26.910 --> 01:34:30.650
<v Ivan>This guy has never been anybody's friend at all.

01:34:31.490 --> 01:34:31.890
<v Sam>Okay.

01:34:32.590 --> 01:34:34.550
<v Ivan>All right. I need to wrap it up.

01:34:34.970 --> 01:34:39.110
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah, let's... I was going to say let's take...

01:34:39.110 --> 01:34:39.510
<v Ivan>A little bit short.

01:34:40.070 --> 01:34:42.770
<v Sam>Yeah, we don't need a break in a second thing. We can just wrap it.

01:34:43.790 --> 01:34:48.030
<v Sam>Because even if we did take a break, I'd be like, well, what are we going to

01:34:48.030 --> 01:34:49.830
<v Sam>talk about? There are a couple of small things.

01:34:50.030 --> 01:34:53.530
<v Ivan>Yeah, there's a couple of small things, but I think we've...

01:34:53.530 --> 01:34:54.290
<v Sam>I'm just going to hit...

01:34:54.290 --> 01:34:57.390
<v Ivan>We covered all the... Listen, that news quiz did help us cover all the news.

01:34:57.530 --> 01:34:58.590
<v Ivan>We got to see if we do better next time.

01:34:58.590 --> 01:35:01.010
<v Sam>I'm just going to hit bullet points. Like...

01:35:01.010 --> 01:35:01.570
<v Ivan>Hit the bullet points.

01:35:01.570 --> 01:35:06.050
<v Sam>Hit the bullet points. If you have any quick reactions. We have Ukraine taking

01:35:06.050 --> 01:35:09.250
<v Sam>out a significant portion of the Russian bomber fleet.

01:35:09.290 --> 01:35:10.890
<v Ivan>We forgot this happened this week!

01:35:12.630 --> 01:35:15.250
<v Ivan>So the Ukrainians are not so dumb after all, huh?

01:35:15.430 --> 01:35:17.130
<v Sam>It turns out they have some cards.

01:35:17.890 --> 01:35:21.850
<v Ivan>It turns out they have some cards. By the way, one of the things that happened,

01:35:21.990 --> 01:35:28.510
<v Ivan>and I also checked traffic maps about this, Russian traffic is in a complete snarl like crazy.

01:35:28.590 --> 01:35:29.930
<v Sam>Because they're checking all the trucks now.

01:35:30.190 --> 01:35:32.570
<v Ivan>Every fucking truck everywhere now is getting checked.

01:35:32.770 --> 01:35:37.210
<v Sam>What happened? The Ukrainians loaded up some trucks full of drones.

01:35:38.210 --> 01:35:39.630
<v Ivan>And they hired Russian truckers.

01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:45.020
<v Sam>Yeah, essentially, by the way, what they're doing here that is extremely clever,

01:35:45.020 --> 01:35:50.000
<v Sam>that they have been really innovating on dramatically over the last few years,

01:35:50.120 --> 01:35:53.800
<v Sam>they essentially take commercial drones and modify them to weaponize them.

01:35:54.040 --> 01:35:59.200
<v Sam>So we're talking about like drones that are on the order of $1,500 to $2,000

01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:04.120
<v Sam>a pop, as opposed to like, you know, these mega drones that.

01:36:04.300 --> 01:36:09.440
<v Ivan>Yeah, like a Reaper or something. A Reaper, right. I was going to say Rapier. No, Reaper.

01:36:09.440 --> 01:36:13.460
<v Sam>That costs like billions of dollars or however the hell much they cost.

01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:16.520
<v Ivan>Well, they're not billions. They're expensive.

01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:16.820
<v Sam>Trillions.

01:36:16.820 --> 01:36:17.520
<v Ivan>They're way more expensive.

01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:18.040
<v Sam>Trillions.

01:36:19.320 --> 01:36:22.160
<v Ivan>Trillions. Yes, as our Secretary of Education said this week, yes.

01:36:22.240 --> 01:36:22.460
<v Sam>Anyway.

01:36:22.600 --> 01:36:24.000
<v Ivan>She's cutting $1.5 trillion.

01:36:24.220 --> 01:36:28.160
<v Sam>Anyway, these are relatively inexpensive drones. And the ones they use for this

01:36:28.160 --> 01:36:32.520
<v Sam>are sort of on the high end of what they're using in the field all over Ukraine as well.

01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:36.040
<v Sam>But they modify these things. They put weapons on them, whatever.

01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:39.580
<v Sam>They put a whole bunch of them in specially modified trucks.

01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:44.880
<v Sam>They hired Russian truckers to transport them that had no idea what they were transporting them.

01:36:45.020 --> 01:36:48.940
<v Sam>And then they had them leave them like a couple of miles from military bases

01:36:48.940 --> 01:36:55.660
<v Sam>and then remote control, launch all the drones, blow up a whole bunch of planes.

01:36:56.140 --> 01:37:01.580
<v Sam>You know, they take off from close enough that there's not a lot of time to respond.

01:37:02.660 --> 01:37:07.280
<v Sam>And boom. And, you know, people have pointed out the biggest.

01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:11.120
<v Ivan>The biggest issue Russia has right now, they can't replace those planes.

01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:12.040
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:37:12.820 --> 01:37:15.360
<v Ivan>They, they're, they, they have no way of replacing those planes.

01:37:16.150 --> 01:37:19.310
<v Sam>At least on any term of reasonable time frame. Yes.

01:37:19.450 --> 01:37:23.790
<v Ivan>Yeah, right. Yeah. Actually, they don't have a, I mean, they don't have,

01:37:23.870 --> 01:37:25.850
<v Ivan>they don't have factories or churning them out.

01:37:26.010 --> 01:37:28.270
<v Ivan>They can't just, you know, it would take like.

01:37:28.730 --> 01:37:30.230
<v Sam>Years, years and years.

01:37:30.230 --> 01:37:31.330
<v Ivan>Yes, years and years.

01:37:31.790 --> 01:37:36.830
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, yeah, Ukraine did this and people are talking about how,

01:37:36.990 --> 01:37:41.910
<v Sam>look, the whole world has to adapt to this new reality of how things work.

01:37:41.910 --> 01:37:46.990
<v Sam>because defenses were set up against like you're sending fighters and.

01:37:46.990 --> 01:37:50.130
<v Ivan>Bombers from another country and you.

01:37:50.130 --> 01:37:55.630
<v Sam>See them on radar and you set up your your counter fighters and you use anti-aircraft

01:37:55.630 --> 01:38:00.410
<v Sam>guns and blah blah blah blah blah none of that works against.

01:38:00.410 --> 01:38:06.010
<v Ivan>Small drones launched some of it works i know that the navy has been adapting

01:38:06.010 --> 01:38:10.530
<v Ivan>because they've been getting hit by drones at see they've had them and there

01:38:10.530 --> 01:38:13.870
<v Ivan>are certain weapon systems that were designed there are ways to.

01:38:13.870 --> 01:38:14.990
<v Sam>Adapt the point is.

01:38:14.990 --> 01:38:18.570
<v Ivan>There you have to they have to adapt you have to adapt you cannot you cannot

01:38:18.570 --> 01:38:20.570
<v Ivan>depend the old way of doing.

01:38:20.570 --> 01:38:21.530
<v Sam>Things is dead.

01:38:21.530 --> 01:38:27.590
<v Ivan>Yeah so so there are certain systems that are being adapted in order to be able

01:38:27.590 --> 01:38:32.330
<v Ivan>to and another thing is that in the past in any times when you detected things

01:38:32.330 --> 01:38:36.810
<v Ivan>like this right and this is something that's happened to that you you consider that oh that's noise,

01:38:37.250 --> 01:38:39.650
<v Ivan>which is not, we're not paying attention to that.

01:38:39.830 --> 01:38:43.250
<v Ivan>Now you can't, now you can't say that's noise. Now you got to go and like,

01:38:43.430 --> 01:38:46.990
<v Ivan>your sensors, your whatever that you're using, you got to like,

01:38:47.130 --> 01:38:48.270
<v Ivan>no, that's not noise anymore.

01:38:48.430 --> 01:38:51.590
<v Sam>And your decision-making process, because instead of having,

01:38:51.730 --> 01:38:55.330
<v Sam>you know, 20 minutes notice or something, you may have 20 seconds notice.

01:38:55.690 --> 01:38:56.790
<v Ivan>Seconds to decide. Yeah.

01:38:57.190 --> 01:39:02.710
<v Sam>Yeah. So, okay, we got Ukraine. We got the new travel ban. We did have a question on that on the quiz.

01:39:02.790 --> 01:39:04.930
<v Ivan>We did have a question on the travel ban and we answered it.

01:39:05.030 --> 01:39:05.990
<v Ivan>You answered it incorrectly.

01:39:05.990 --> 01:39:13.610
<v Sam>I did. I was wrong. Donald has instigated a new investigation of Biden's use of Autopan.

01:39:14.260 --> 01:39:14.880
<v Ivan>Uh-huh.

01:39:15.200 --> 01:39:25.080
<v Sam>Yep. There was an escalation in ICE versus anti-ICE protesters in L.A., like last night.

01:39:25.260 --> 01:39:27.880
<v Ivan>A lot of places, actually. But yeah, in L.A.

01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:34.280
<v Sam>It got biggest in L.A. yesterday. But it's been growing over the last few weeks anyway,

01:39:34.280 --> 01:39:40.900
<v Sam>where there have been groups that have come out to try to get in the way of

01:39:40.900 --> 01:39:44.120
<v Sam>ICE when they're doing enforcement actions.

01:39:45.260 --> 01:39:49.020
<v Sam>and there are starting to be conflicts between.

01:39:49.860 --> 01:39:55.480
<v Ivan>Listen, I have said, and, you know, we talked about non-aggressive Democrats not being aggressive.

01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:58.860
<v Ivan>If I'm the mayor, I'm the governor of the state. I'm like right now,

01:39:58.980 --> 01:40:01.280
<v Ivan>my thing is right now I'm looking out for human rights.

01:40:01.460 --> 01:40:05.960
<v Ivan>I'm looking for violations of due process by ICE. And I'm starting to I'm starting

01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:07.980
<v Ivan>to I'm starting to arrest ICE agents.

01:40:08.360 --> 01:40:11.320
<v Ivan>You're not following due process here. You know, I'm dragging you to jail.

01:40:11.320 --> 01:40:15.760
<v Ivan>And that's how and you're you're you're you. Oh, you think you don't have the

01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:17.500
<v Ivan>because they don't have the authority.

01:40:17.980 --> 01:40:21.120
<v Ivan>They don't. Listen, I know by law, because this is this is a question that came

01:40:21.120 --> 01:40:25.440
<v Ivan>to to to an issue in Puerto Rico. They don't have the authority to question U.S. citizens.

01:40:26.440 --> 01:40:31.900
<v Ivan>You don't have it. So there was a thing that for years they tried to do when

01:40:31.900 --> 01:40:36.220
<v Ivan>you exited Puerto Rico, where they kept asking people whether you were a U.S. citizen or not.

01:40:36.400 --> 01:40:39.180
<v Ivan>And they were taking people who refused to answer the question and bringing

01:40:39.180 --> 01:40:39.880
<v Ivan>them in for questioning.

01:40:40.120 --> 01:40:43.580
<v Ivan>That went to the courts. The courts determined, you know what?

01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:44.900
<v Ivan>ICE agents don't have that right.

01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:49.440
<v Ivan>Immigration agents do not have that right. And the problem right now is that

01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:51.760
<v Ivan>we're letting them get away with way too much.

01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:57.820
<v Sam>Well, and there are also a lot of situations where they are relying on people

01:40:57.820 --> 01:41:02.100
<v Sam>not knowing that for certain things they are actually required to have warrants.

01:41:03.080 --> 01:41:07.420
<v Sam>And so, like, people can say, no, I'm not letting you in unless you can show

01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:08.500
<v Sam>me a warrant or whatever.

01:41:08.700 --> 01:41:11.840
<v Ivan>Show me a warrant or whatever. You've got no right to come in here, period.

01:41:12.100 --> 01:41:12.280
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:41:12.280 --> 01:41:15.120
<v Ivan>But this is a big problem.

01:41:15.240 --> 01:41:19.960
<v Ivan>But my problem is that if I'm a mayor and I'm a sheriff of a city and I've got

01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:24.060
<v Ivan>immigration agents breaking the law left and right, you know what I'm doing?

01:41:24.160 --> 01:41:25.580
<v Ivan>I'm fucking arresting these assholes.

01:41:26.380 --> 01:41:29.560
<v Ivan>That's what I would be doing. They want to start with this shit.

01:41:29.740 --> 01:41:32.460
<v Ivan>You want to start breaking the law left and right? You think that you've got

01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:35.700
<v Ivan>the right to just break the law in my city? Fuck you, no. Okay?

01:41:35.700 --> 01:41:38.860
<v Sam>Yeah, I think we are seeing escalation of this situation.

01:41:39.100 --> 01:41:47.200
<v Sam>And we're seeing, yeah, in LA, they were using, you know, the non-lethal force.

01:41:47.320 --> 01:41:47.880
<v Ivan>Flashbang.

01:41:48.260 --> 01:41:48.480
<v Sam>Flashbang.

01:41:48.580 --> 01:41:52.320
<v Ivan>Whatever, but it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous for an immigration raid.

01:41:52.320 --> 01:41:57.840
<v Sam>Well, and I think it's only a matter of time till we get like the equivalent

01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:59.980
<v Sam>of what happened in Kent State in the 60s.

01:42:00.200 --> 01:42:06.300
<v Sam>And some protester gets killed and then you'll start seeing reaction to that.

01:42:06.420 --> 01:42:08.480
<v Sam>This is going to escalate. I see no way.

01:42:08.660 --> 01:42:10.060
<v Ivan>It's going to escalate. Yeah.

01:42:10.400 --> 01:42:15.540
<v Sam>Okay. Along those lines, last item I'm going to mention here is Garcia has been

01:42:15.540 --> 01:42:17.500
<v Sam>returned from El Salvador. Yeah.

01:42:17.830 --> 01:42:20.250
<v Sam>Now they have indicted him.

01:42:20.350 --> 01:42:23.730
<v Ivan>Now they have made up these charges against him.

01:42:23.850 --> 01:42:30.690
<v Sam>Well, here's the thing. I've seen a few legal reviews of the indictment that say it's really weak.

01:42:30.850 --> 01:42:36.050
<v Sam>There might be something, but it's really weak. There are all kinds of holes I can put in this.

01:42:36.410 --> 01:42:40.910
<v Sam>But the fundamental thing, I've seen a lot of the Republicans say things along

01:42:40.910 --> 01:42:44.010
<v Sam>the, essentially boiling down to, okay, fine.

01:42:44.170 --> 01:42:50.370
<v Sam>Are you happy now? And the answer is, well, kind of, because now he will go

01:42:50.370 --> 01:42:51.490
<v Sam>through the proper process.

01:42:51.710 --> 01:42:58.170
<v Sam>You say you have charges against him. We were never saying necessarily that

01:42:58.170 --> 01:42:59.990
<v Sam>this guy was pure as the driven snow.

01:43:00.310 --> 01:43:03.010
<v Ivan>But by the way, there is something that, no, no, no, here's something.

01:43:03.170 --> 01:43:06.330
<v Ivan>Okay, listen, there is significant evidence that the U.S.

01:43:06.430 --> 01:43:09.590
<v Ivan>attorney for Tennessee resigned the moment that he was coming back.

01:43:09.590 --> 01:43:12.310
<v Ivan>And the main reason why in the background they said is because he basically

01:43:12.310 --> 01:43:15.470
<v Ivan>said that this entire chart is made up and political.

01:43:15.730 --> 01:43:19.930
<v Sam>Yes. But here's the thing. They now have to prove it.

01:43:20.310 --> 01:43:27.550
<v Sam>You know? And so this will go to court. It will, you know, it'll go through the standard process.

01:43:27.930 --> 01:43:31.290
<v Sam>Either the guy will be convicted or he won't be. Now, they're trying to keep

01:43:31.290 --> 01:43:35.250
<v Sam>him in pretrial detention the whole time. We'll see if that flies.

01:43:35.790 --> 01:43:41.690
<v Sam>And if it is completely made up and he gets exonerated, we'll see what happens then.

01:43:42.170 --> 01:43:46.410
<v Sam>I mean, the guy shouldn't have, assuming this stuff is fairly flimsy,

01:43:46.830 --> 01:43:50.590
<v Sam>then he shouldn't be going through any of this at all, of course.

01:43:50.890 --> 01:43:58.150
<v Sam>But at least now, the basic principle at play here is there has to be a process.

01:43:58.370 --> 01:44:01.130
<v Sam>The government can't just say, you're bad.

01:44:01.810 --> 01:44:03.250
<v Sam>And send you to El Salvador.

01:44:03.630 --> 01:44:04.310
<v Ivan>El Salvador.

01:44:04.630 --> 01:44:09.470
<v Sam>They have to prove their case. They have to have a case and they have to prove the case.

01:44:10.350 --> 01:44:13.930
<v Sam>And, you know, and we'll see what happens in this case.

01:44:14.070 --> 01:44:18.670
<v Sam>But that's the important principle. And so many people on the MAGA side are

01:44:18.670 --> 01:44:19.810
<v Sam>like, well, that's bullshit.

01:44:19.890 --> 01:44:22.510
<v Sam>He's a bad guy. He shouldn't have due process.

01:44:22.850 --> 01:44:25.910
<v Sam>But the problem is, if you don't have that.

01:44:25.970 --> 01:44:27.950
<v Ivan>Everybody has due process.

01:44:27.950 --> 01:44:31.590
<v Sam>If you don't have that process for.

01:44:32.130 --> 01:44:38.530
<v Sam>everyone, then there's nothing stopping you from abusing that power for everyone.

01:44:38.850 --> 01:44:39.330
<v Ivan>Right.

01:44:39.730 --> 01:44:44.870
<v Sam>You know, and whether or not this individual guy is guilty or not is not actually the point.

01:44:45.350 --> 01:44:49.890
<v Sam>Now, if they're completely railroading an innocent man, there should be consequences

01:44:49.890 --> 01:44:52.290
<v Sam>for that. There may or may not actually be in the end.

01:44:52.710 --> 01:44:56.970
<v Sam>But even if he, if he turned, let's say he turns out to be guilty.

01:44:57.270 --> 01:45:03.110
<v Sam>He did all the stuff they said. well you still need to prove it and that right

01:45:03.110 --> 01:45:05.530
<v Sam>that's what they're doing okay that was the last thing i had.

01:45:05.530 --> 01:45:07.090
<v Ivan>All right so we're done.

01:45:07.090 --> 01:45:11.910
<v Sam>We're done okay everybody uh curmudgeon-corner.com

01:45:11.910 --> 01:45:17.850
<v Sam>you can find our archives you can find all the ways to contact us you can find

01:45:17.850 --> 01:45:23.670
<v Sam>transcripts you can find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow you can find

01:45:23.670 --> 01:45:27.450
<v Sam>all the good stuff you could possibly want right Yvonne.

01:45:28.450 --> 01:45:31.910
<v Ivan>Absolutely everything everything the whole time everything.

01:45:31.910 --> 01:45:37.550
<v Sam>Everything yes and if you don't find everything all the time if you don't find

01:45:37.550 --> 01:45:42.970
<v Sam>any of that on curmudgeon-corner.com that is your fault for it is not ours you

01:45:42.970 --> 01:45:45.490
<v Sam>know it's your problem that's.

01:45:45.490 --> 01:45:48.430
<v Ivan>Your problem you know I sorry but you know.

01:45:48.430 --> 01:45:53.090
<v Sam>Do better please anyway one of the things is a link to our patreon where you

01:45:53.090 --> 01:45:57.570
<v Sam>can give us money we would like more money And at various levels,

01:45:57.610 --> 01:46:00.110
<v Sam>we'll send you a postcard, we'll send you a mug, blah, blah,

01:46:00.110 --> 01:46:02.130
<v Sam>blah. I still owe postcards. Sorry.

01:46:02.310 --> 01:46:05.730
<v Sam>I wrote them. I just haven't sent them to Yvonne to send to whatever.

01:46:06.270 --> 01:46:07.330
<v Sam>I'll get to it eventually.

01:46:07.950 --> 01:46:11.770
<v Sam>And yeah, we'll send you all that. And importantly, at $2 a month or more,

01:46:11.870 --> 01:46:18.510
<v Sam>or if you just ask, we'll invite you to the we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack,

01:46:18.730 --> 01:46:22.690
<v Sam>where Yvonne and I and a bunch of other folks are hanging out,

01:46:22.930 --> 01:46:24.590
<v Sam>chatting, sharing links, et cetera.

01:46:25.450 --> 01:46:30.090
<v Sam>So Yvonne, one thing from the chat that will make people really,

01:46:30.310 --> 01:46:35.510
<v Sam>really, really wish to join our Slack and be on there all the time.

01:46:35.870 --> 01:46:40.970
<v Ivan>From the LA Times, an AI startup back Mike Marcusoff revealed to be 700 Indian

01:46:40.970 --> 01:46:42.770
<v Ivan>employees pretending to be chatbots.

01:46:44.100 --> 01:46:45.440
<v Sam>Is that a problem, Yvonne?

01:46:46.180 --> 01:46:52.120
<v Ivan>As long as it works, no. Look, I did, for full disclosure, when I was at Kodak,

01:46:52.200 --> 01:46:55.120
<v Ivan>I did release a product called the Kodak Scan Cloud.

01:46:55.400 --> 01:46:55.860
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

01:46:56.420 --> 01:46:58.020
<v Ivan>All right. Now, the Kodak Scan Cloud.

01:46:58.020 --> 01:46:59.740
<v Sam>Are you going to get in trouble for revealing this, Yvonne?

01:47:00.120 --> 01:47:03.940
<v Ivan>Not really. I mean, you know, I don't think so. You know, look, I launched this.

01:47:04.020 --> 01:47:08.100
<v Ivan>The one thing is that I didn't, look, the whole thing was that we would scan

01:47:08.100 --> 01:47:11.640
<v Ivan>capture data on your documents, okay?

01:47:12.060 --> 01:47:17.580
<v Ivan>We had an SLA. that we would meet and that you would get this information fed into your system.

01:47:18.040 --> 01:47:23.980
<v Ivan>Now, I didn't say how that happened. It made it sound like it was technology.

01:47:24.020 --> 01:47:29.440
<v Ivan>But the reality is that I had this place staffed with people 24-7 that basically

01:47:29.440 --> 01:47:30.580
<v Ivan>when the documents came in,

01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:35.060
<v Ivan>there was some technology involved, but there was humans that had to really

01:47:35.060 --> 01:47:37.820
<v Ivan>do the last mile of it in order for your document to be processed.

01:47:38.060 --> 01:47:39.220
<v Ivan>But I didn't say that anyway.

01:47:39.740 --> 01:47:44.380
<v Ivan>So I'm not surprised that somebody... And the reason, the reason why I did that

01:47:44.380 --> 01:47:47.660
<v Ivan>is because there was software that could automatically do this,

01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:53.960
<v Ivan>but the licenses were so expensive that the reality is that the people were cheaper.

01:47:54.280 --> 01:47:54.600
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:58.460
<v Ivan>And by the way, more accurate as well. The people were cheaper and more accurate.

01:47:58.860 --> 01:47:59.500
<v Sam>There you go.

01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:03.040
<v Ivan>So I was like, well, what the hell, you know?

01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:04.880
<v Sam>Well, I, so, so yeah.

01:48:04.940 --> 01:48:09.140
<v Ivan>So I'm sure that that's what the, what they figured out with the 700 guys.

01:48:09.140 --> 01:48:13.140
<v Ivan>They're like, wait, the technology will say stupid shit that we don't want it

01:48:13.140 --> 01:48:15.720
<v Ivan>to say. It'll give you wrong answers. What the hell?

01:48:16.220 --> 01:48:19.660
<v Ivan>You know, we'll just put 700 people back there. We won't tell everybody that's.

01:48:20.400 --> 01:48:25.280
<v Sam>Well, didn't you mention last week that Tesla was hiring a team of.

01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:26.000
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:28.300
<v Sam>For drivers. For their self-driver.

01:48:28.540 --> 01:48:33.400
<v Ivan>For their self-driving. Yes. For the driverless taxis. Yes. Well, hiring drivers.

01:48:33.400 --> 01:48:42.180
<v Sam>Which, by the way, is apparently typical of all of these self-driving taxi folks.

01:48:42.260 --> 01:48:48.400
<v Ivan>Yes, I mean, Waymo has people that can take over remotely in case the vehicle gets into it.

01:48:48.400 --> 01:48:52.180
<v Sam>The question, of course, is how often is the human having to do something versus

01:48:52.180 --> 01:48:54.480
<v Sam>how often it really is automated.

01:48:54.660 --> 01:48:56.700
<v Ivan>Right. If it's basically driving the full time.

01:48:56.740 --> 01:48:58.260
<v Sam>And that's not always disclosed.

01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:01.120
<v Ivan>Right. Yes, that is true.

01:49:01.120 --> 01:49:04.220
<v Sam>One of these companies that had to i

01:49:04.220 --> 01:49:07.180
<v Sam>forget which one that had to pull out of some marketplace after an

01:49:07.180 --> 01:49:13.000
<v Sam>accident or whatever ended up revealing that they had like two drivers on staff

01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:24.120
<v Sam>for every car or whatever and yes um and so and i believe there's even one company

01:49:24.120 --> 01:49:26.100
<v Sam>out there who doesn't try to fake it.

01:49:26.340 --> 01:49:29.740
<v Sam>And it's just like, this isn't, this isn't a self-driving car.

01:49:30.060 --> 01:49:33.700
<v Sam>It's just that your chauffeur happens to be in Mumbai.

01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:37.260
<v Sam>we're driving the car by remote control from wherever.

01:49:37.260 --> 01:49:42.820
<v Ivan>I mean honestly look there is an advantage to not having to be with another

01:49:42.820 --> 01:49:47.560
<v Ivan>human being in the car right i mean i really you know for the most part i don't

01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.860
<v Ivan>i don't i one reason i like to drive myself i don't want to be in the car with

01:49:51.860 --> 01:49:56.700
<v Ivan>some other person i have no idea who the hell they are fuck this shit right,

01:49:57.460 --> 01:50:01.360
<v Ivan>Yeah, let him be 5,000, 7,000 miles away. The hell with this shit.

01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:07.580
<v Sam>Yeah, well, okay. Anyway, we are done. Thank you, everybody.

01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.440
<v Sam>Have a nice week. We'll be back next week.

01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:16.500
<v Sam>Stay safe. Have a good time, etc., etc., etc., etc. Goodbye.

01:50:17.240 --> 01:50:17.760
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:50:47.500 --> 01:50:52.040
<v Sam>Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Okay, later, Yvonne. Have a good weekend.

01:50:52.400 --> 01:50:54.120
<v Ivan>Okay. All right, let's do this.

