WEBVTT 00:00:00.630 --> 00:00:01.810 Greetings, Mr. Bo. 00:00:03.830 --> 00:00:04.790 Uh, salutations. 00:00:05.110 --> 00:00:09.010 Back in your office, I see. Where were you last week anyway? I forgot to even ask. 00:00:09.770 --> 00:00:14.890 Uh, what the hell was I doing? I just, you had some work going on in the house, 00:00:15.010 --> 00:00:18.150 so I had to go find a quiet place that wasn't at the house. 00:00:18.610 --> 00:00:25.930 So, it was very noisy and vibrant and not conducive to stuff. Yeah, so. 00:00:26.170 --> 00:00:29.730 I understand. Okay. Here we go. 00:00:32.170 --> 00:00:35.270 I don't think that you want a show with loud banging. 00:00:36.270 --> 00:00:37.770 No, probably not. 00:00:38.470 --> 00:00:40.330 Probably not. So, yeah. So. 00:00:41.130 --> 00:00:43.950 Okay. Shall we jump right in? 00:00:44.550 --> 00:00:45.050 Mm-hmm. 00:00:45.690 --> 00:00:49.010 Okay. Here comes the thingy. Blah, blah, blah. 00:00:51.510 --> 00:00:52.270 We'll be right back. 00:01:12.350 --> 00:01:20.610 Welcome to curmudgeon's corner for saturday may 10th 2025 it's just after two 00:01:20.610 --> 00:01:24.870 utc i'm sam minter and Yvonne Bo is here with us again. Hello, Yvonne. 00:01:25.710 --> 00:01:28.570 Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. 00:01:28.830 --> 00:01:30.350 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:01:30.970 --> 00:01:34.010 I'm going to try to do this show, like just saying blah, blah, 00:01:34.270 --> 00:01:38.470 but not actually, like just saying, you know, instead of like, 00:01:38.790 --> 00:01:40.030 hi, Sam, how are you doing? 00:01:40.730 --> 00:01:43.230 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:01:43.950 --> 00:01:46.010 Okay, it'll be a very entertaining show. 00:01:46.830 --> 00:01:47.230 Blah. 00:01:47.470 --> 00:01:49.310 We could both do that. Blah. 00:01:50.370 --> 00:01:51.110 Blah. Blah. 00:01:51.110 --> 00:02:02.330 Blah, blah, blah, blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. 00:02:02.330 --> 00:02:04.390 Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. 00:02:04.390 --> 00:02:08.010 Okay i can't do this anymore this. 00:02:08.010 --> 00:02:09.450 Sounds like a terrible idea. 00:02:09.450 --> 00:02:10.330 Okay so. 00:02:10.330 --> 00:02:13.450 Let's go back to the regular format okay all right good. 00:02:13.450 --> 00:02:19.170 Yeah so regular format agenda but first we will do like less newsy stuff up 00:02:19.170 --> 00:02:22.330 front and then we'll do a couple segments of news related stuff. 00:02:23.030 --> 00:02:25.330 That's what we always do pretty much. 00:02:25.450 --> 00:02:26.030 It's a thing. 00:02:26.610 --> 00:02:29.790 I mean every once in a while we switch it up but that's normal. 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:32.530 Yeah we do. 00:02:33.550 --> 00:02:35.570 You want to kick this sucker off? 00:02:36.470 --> 00:02:41.750 How do I kick this sucker off? Okay well yes I do have one item of note. 00:02:42.530 --> 00:02:43.950 Item of note. 00:02:44.910 --> 00:02:48.150 You know, so I got a notice. 00:02:48.510 --> 00:02:52.150 Well, I didn't see the notice I got first. 00:02:52.190 --> 00:02:56.630 I didn't get the notice, but I saw on social media somewhere. 00:02:57.290 --> 00:03:03.490 Someone posting that Nest was discontinuing support for, well, Google. 00:03:03.750 --> 00:03:04.390 Okay. 00:03:04.810 --> 00:03:12.110 Was discontinuing support for the app for first and second generation thermostats. 00:03:12.350 --> 00:03:13.530 Now, just to. 00:03:13.530 --> 00:03:14.930 In October of this. 00:03:15.050 --> 00:03:19.190 How old are first and second generation thermostats at this point? 00:03:20.130 --> 00:03:22.610 I'm going to guess they're at least 10 years old. 00:03:22.970 --> 00:03:27.030 Okay. You know, for electronic device support, that's a long time. 00:03:27.210 --> 00:03:29.830 For thermostat support, less so. 00:03:30.050 --> 00:03:33.190 But like, you know, if it was a phone or something, you'd be like, 00:03:33.350 --> 00:03:34.910 oh, yeah, that's way past. 00:03:35.030 --> 00:03:41.450 Now, but the thing is, it's, here's, here's what's happening. 00:03:42.370 --> 00:03:45.190 nest was not a google company right. 00:03:45.190 --> 00:03:46.230 They were acquired. 00:03:46.230 --> 00:03:49.250 They were acquired as a matter of fact originally their 00:03:49.250 --> 00:03:53.230 whole goal was more integrating more into the apple mac environment because 00:03:53.230 --> 00:03:58.470 tony fidel who was the original designer of the ipod if i remember correctly 00:03:58.470 --> 00:04:04.210 of the wheel is the guy that decide this you know that decided to build a nest 00:04:04.210 --> 00:04:07.490 because he went one time was building this you know, 00:04:07.610 --> 00:04:10.530 this place, put in an AC, he looked at the thermostats and he said, 00:04:10.710 --> 00:04:14.290 this is all crap, which at that time he was absolutely accurate. 00:04:14.470 --> 00:04:17.470 All the thermostats that existed were awful, were awful. 00:04:17.730 --> 00:04:26.110 I had what passed as some kind of modern programmable thermostat with a remote sensor that, but, 00:04:26.950 --> 00:04:33.790 But it still sucked. It was kludgy, sucky, but it did what I wanted it to do. 00:04:33.930 --> 00:04:39.390 I, for example, was able to remotely control the temperature in my bedroom with 00:04:39.390 --> 00:04:43.250 this little remote control thingy. Okay. 00:04:43.470 --> 00:04:48.450 All right. That did that. And I was able to program dates and times, 00:04:48.450 --> 00:04:54.150 but programming this thing, you know, if you remember like programming an old alarm clock, you know. 00:04:54.150 --> 00:04:57.470 Yeah, you had to like hold the one button and then push the other button. 00:04:57.610 --> 00:05:00.750 And then, you know, and then you could program day. So you got to go to the 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:02.850 day, put the program for that day. 00:05:02.990 --> 00:05:06.910 It was an exercise in patience. 00:05:07.210 --> 00:05:11.690 And there were some physical buttons and probably a little LCD screen with not 00:05:11.690 --> 00:05:14.250 a big display. Just maybe a couple numbers. 00:05:14.550 --> 00:05:19.790 Yes, yes, yes. That's how this thing worked. This is not easy to manage, okay? 00:05:20.230 --> 00:05:24.350 But that was about the best thing I got. I remember that I had issues with temperature 00:05:24.350 --> 00:05:29.450 control and I wanted a remote temperature. 00:05:29.470 --> 00:05:33.010 You wanted a sensor that would be somewhere else other than the unit. 00:05:33.230 --> 00:05:36.050 So it can wear average out across your house or whatever. 00:05:36.470 --> 00:05:36.550 Yeah. 00:05:36.730 --> 00:05:41.390 Because like even now, like we have, we have a fancier one, whatever, 00:05:41.410 --> 00:05:43.030 that we installed a few years ago. 00:05:44.170 --> 00:05:47.830 I mostly use an iOS app to control it at this point. 00:05:47.970 --> 00:05:50.530 Not even like the head unit because Alex broke the head unit. 00:05:50.530 --> 00:05:58.990 but but but but anyway how. 00:05:58.990 --> 00:06:01.290 The hell do you break a service down on the wall. 00:06:01.290 --> 00:06:05.390 You take it off the wall and you throw it over and over again that's 00:06:05.390 --> 00:06:08.870 all do it so but anyway but 00:06:08.870 --> 00:06:11.750 i i almost never used the actual one on the wall anyway 00:06:11.750 --> 00:06:14.930 i always use the app but the point is that even 00:06:14.930 --> 00:06:18.050 with that one it's still the one we have right 00:06:18.050 --> 00:06:21.490 now i think there might be options but we only have the one sensor where 00:06:21.490 --> 00:06:24.310 it's located whereas upstairs and 00:06:24.310 --> 00:06:27.650 downstairs still have different differential temperatures because 00:06:27.650 --> 00:06:33.010 heat rises and my daughter specifically always complains about the temperature 00:06:33.010 --> 00:06:37.230 in her room because she's always got the door closed and it's all locked in 00:06:37.230 --> 00:06:43.190 and so like if somebody does something like opens the doors or windows downstairs 00:06:43.190 --> 00:06:44.450 because it's nice outside, 00:06:44.750 --> 00:06:48.810 the automatic system will try to adjust to compensate. 00:06:49.230 --> 00:06:55.410 And her room and her room only will become either super cold or super hot while 00:06:55.410 --> 00:06:56.610 the rest of the house is comfortable. 00:06:56.970 --> 00:07:01.490 So, you know, as you bring that up, it reminds me the event that we had. 00:07:01.610 --> 00:07:03.330 I don't remember if you remember this. 00:07:03.510 --> 00:07:06.450 We're at Hampshire Hall, which of course you don't remember. 00:07:06.590 --> 00:07:07.990 Why would you? No, I remember this. 00:07:07.990 --> 00:07:09.830 I remember Amtra Hall existed. 00:07:09.930 --> 00:07:12.330 Yeah, we lived at this building that was... 00:07:12.970 --> 00:07:19.010 I mean, a dump is actually, I mean, is a nice term because this place was just, 00:07:19.590 --> 00:07:23.830 you know, we lived there a year and I had a really good time living at this 00:07:23.830 --> 00:07:25.810 shithole. I lived there two years. 00:07:25.910 --> 00:07:26.170 Didn't I? 00:07:26.710 --> 00:07:30.510 No. Oh yeah. You lived two. I lived one. You lived two. That's right. 00:07:30.950 --> 00:07:35.250 You lived the first two years. Yeah. You lived the first two years at CMU. Yeah. 00:07:35.590 --> 00:07:38.290 Okay. Or maybe, was it three? No. 00:07:38.470 --> 00:07:40.730 No, no. At the third year we went to Amberson. 00:07:40.730 --> 00:07:46.230 Well, I, I had, and then, and then I'm, and then I moved somewhere else, but yes, yes. 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:51.790 But okay, we digress. Okay. So, so some guy went during the middle of winter, 00:07:52.250 --> 00:07:56.250 maintenance guy doing something, whatever, went downstairs and where the furnace was. 00:07:56.430 --> 00:08:00.790 And it was, the temperature was well below freezing. 00:08:01.050 --> 00:08:05.130 Okay. All right. At that time, they left the window open down the furnace room 00:08:05.130 --> 00:08:09.290 where the thermostat was a temperature, you know, uh, gauge was okay. 00:08:09.290 --> 00:08:18.350 And so this made the furnace blast so much heat into our rooms, 00:08:18.710 --> 00:08:23.410 okay, that literally there was paint melting in some places. 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:26.970 Well, because it was trying to heat the whole outdoors. 00:08:27.430 --> 00:08:27.790 Right. 00:08:27.790 --> 00:08:32.430 But in the meantime, it was heating the rooms that were already warm, 00:08:32.450 --> 00:08:34.210 not the place where the window was open. 00:08:34.510 --> 00:08:38.650 Correct. Yes. This was just ridiculous. I still remember coming. 00:08:38.730 --> 00:08:43.610 I mean, the temperature in the, I mean, it had to be over 100 degrees. 00:08:44.170 --> 00:08:48.810 Like what I got to, to like what, like what the fuck is this? Okay. 00:08:49.310 --> 00:08:52.630 It's just insanity. So, so yeah. 00:08:52.730 --> 00:08:56.210 So I understand that. So leaving the windows open, like downstairs that leads 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:57.790 to that kind of stuff in other places. 00:08:58.310 --> 00:09:04.650 And so, you know, look, the, the, the, the, you know, we have, I got these nests now. 00:09:05.410 --> 00:09:06.990 The thing is that, 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:13.120 Google had bought Nest, and at first, 00:09:13.420 --> 00:09:22.820 they had built out stuff in the Nest application program interface because they 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:23.940 actually had some integration. 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:28.100 Third parties could connect to it and some stuff. So they had this entire, 00:09:28.100 --> 00:09:34.420 like, you know, setup for their thermostats to connect, for these security cameras, 00:09:34.900 --> 00:09:38.020 smoke detectors, all these things that they were selling. 00:09:38.020 --> 00:09:41.160 and for third parties to integrate as well. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.300 But the thing is that Google then later rolled out this whole Google Home thing. 00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:55.120 So Google Home isn't the Nest thing that they had, okay? 00:09:55.260 --> 00:09:55.880 Okay, right. 00:09:55.920 --> 00:10:00.720 This is this whole other protocol which allowed other people to build light 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.240 switches, things, and other things, and whatever. 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:09.000 And they still, you know, for a while, it's like, I, I got this, 00:10:09.140 --> 00:10:13.660 I did put Google Home stuff in my house the last couple of years because I got, 00:10:13.920 --> 00:10:18.220 I, I did that to connect most of my devices, but, but the thermostats, 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.440 the Nests were still set up in the Nest app. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.040 that Nest app talked to Google Home. Okay? 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:30.000 So it was kludgy. And so Google decided that, you know what? 00:10:30.400 --> 00:10:34.020 We rolled out thermostats later that did not... 00:10:34.880 --> 00:10:40.180 Actually, they did go through the Nest app. They still do. But the main primary 00:10:40.180 --> 00:10:44.000 interface was to actually go to Google Home. Okay? 00:10:44.740 --> 00:10:49.360 And so they just didn't want to maintain that old, you know, 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:53.800 infrastructure when they built out this Google Home stuff, so they're basically saying... 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.280 You know, look, we're shutting that down. If you've got the thermostats that 00:10:58.280 --> 00:11:02.940 are first-gen, second-gen, which I guess right now, yeah, they are all over 00:11:02.940 --> 00:11:05.180 10 years old at this point. 00:11:05.380 --> 00:11:06.380 I understand. 00:11:06.660 --> 00:11:12.180 You know what? You will be able to use a thermostat as a thermostat at the wall. 00:11:12.680 --> 00:11:18.820 That won't die. But you remotely controlling the temperature and programming 00:11:18.820 --> 00:11:22.960 it and any of those things via the app, that will stop, cease functioning. 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.280 Well and you know look look you and 00:11:26.280 --> 00:11:29.040 i you can understand that at 10 years old i 00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:32.100 mean and this does bring up the dichotomy between like 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:35.340 the expectations of older devices 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:38.060 like you know you you've i mean 00:11:38.060 --> 00:11:44.960 really in the olden days you would expect you set up a thermostat it's a freaking 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:50.460 thermostat it's going to be there for 50 years but basically yeah but with like 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:57.640 the with all of the tech integrations and smart devices and all that kind of stuff, 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:04.220 you're, you're fundamentally like, there's a, there's a tech refresh cycle that 00:12:04.220 --> 00:12:09.220 is more like five years, 10 on a super outside. 00:12:09.660 --> 00:12:16.320 And so like, if you get like the smart connected device, I think the thought 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:21.800 that it might be fully functional in 15 years is just not realistic. 00:12:21.800 --> 00:12:28.140 I think, but you know what? Look, I, man, I've already experienced this with 00:12:28.140 --> 00:12:31.320 like car infotainment systems. Okay. 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:31.640 Right. 00:12:32.020 --> 00:12:38.520 You know, I had my Audi, my A6 that came in with built in 3G connectivity. Okay. 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:39.640 Yeah. 00:12:39.760 --> 00:12:44.060 Well, yeah. Well, 2014, that was like pretty, you know, state of the art to 00:12:44.060 --> 00:12:46.140 have a car with 3G and a hot spot. 00:12:46.140 --> 00:12:49.740 But eventually, not only was 3G obsolete, they shut the thing off. 00:12:49.920 --> 00:12:54.140 They shut the whole, exactly. And what happened was that all of a sudden, 00:12:54.540 --> 00:12:58.220 you know, I had Google Earth Maps in that car, and that all was, 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:00.940 you know, destined to stop working. 00:13:01.160 --> 00:13:01.560 Right. 00:13:01.660 --> 00:13:06.480 Okay? And so, but I really think that in this era right now, 00:13:06.500 --> 00:13:10.780 we're putting out that many devices that actually have that much of a longevity. 00:13:11.740 --> 00:13:15.620 Unfortunately, it's really causing more problems. 00:13:16.140 --> 00:13:19.740 OK, all right. And that the old like, well, five years, well, 00:13:19.860 --> 00:13:22.700 you're not going to, you know, I'm sorry, but you're not going to dump an entire 00:13:22.700 --> 00:13:27.620 car because of the, you know, the connectivity. 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:35.020 Well, I mean, the thing is, and, you know, first of all, the manufacturers would love you to. 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.820 Obviously like but yeah but that's just i know i. 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:44.460 Know i know but the thing is the the way around that is modularity like. 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:44.900 Right you. 00:13:44.900 --> 00:13:48.500 You set it up so that you you can expect from the beginning. 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:52.100 Well by the way they are doing that with some newer cars 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:55.580 with telecommunication like controllers because 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:58.420 right now cars have a network okay they they have a 00:13:58.420 --> 00:14:01.400 i mean it's it's it's a called a can bus 00:14:01.400 --> 00:14:06.560 the car whatever network but it's basically a tcp ip network in the freaking 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:11.360 car i mean they just go and like decide okay fine you know we'll replace that 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:14.160 you know we'll make that module that's replaceable we'll give a good plug in 00:14:14.160 --> 00:14:19.280 a new one we'll put a new one and that way you'll have connectivity or something yeah i mean well. 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:23.580 And the logistics of it are of course going to be complicated but you want like 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:29.680 any piece like that that you are going to expect will become obsolete faster than the whole car. 00:14:29.680 --> 00:14:31.840 You want to be able to be replaceable. 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:32.920 You want to be able to be. 00:14:32.920 --> 00:14:37.560 Replaceable you know what when you go back 30 40 years ago you know with some 00:14:37.560 --> 00:14:43.300 of these things it was kind of like that you know we replaced car stereos okay right there. 00:14:43.300 --> 00:14:45.120 Was that you know you pull it out and you push. 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.340 The new one in and put the new one in and voila we did but i'll. 00:14:48.340 --> 00:14:51.920 Say this is not just cars right this is like dishwashers. 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:53.140 Yes washer. 00:14:53.140 --> 00:14:58.320 Dryers like with the whole tendency of all of these things to be connected and electronic. 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.920 And whatever. I mean, you don't want to have to dump your damn refrigerator, 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:03.660 you know, because it stopped connected to the fucking internet. 00:15:04.180 --> 00:15:05.240 Right. Exactly. 00:15:05.560 --> 00:15:10.540 I mean, now the thermostat, I'll be, given that the thermostat is a module connected 00:15:10.540 --> 00:15:13.140 to the AC, you don't really have to dump the AC. Okay? 00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:13.680 Right. 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.100 I mean, that's a little bit more pragmatic where it is that you can replace 00:15:18.100 --> 00:15:21.020 just that component and you're not having to get a completely new air conditioner. 00:15:21.140 --> 00:15:21.620 Yes, yes. 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:26.740 So, I mean, I can see that, But I do think that it's a little bit like, 00:15:27.330 --> 00:15:33.470 It's quite a pain in my ass. Okay. Still anyway. So I went and went now Google, I saw this online. 00:15:33.530 --> 00:15:36.290 Yeah, let's get back to the next nest. We were moving. 00:15:36.290 --> 00:15:41.170 You know, I saw this online and I'm like, oh, Google is sending this thing out 00:15:41.170 --> 00:15:45.810 where they're sending a coupon for you to be able to purchase the new fourth 00:15:45.810 --> 00:15:48.530 generation thermostats at a significant discount. 00:15:48.830 --> 00:15:51.650 Okay. Which is over half, if I remember about half. 00:15:52.030 --> 00:15:53.050 That's pretty generous. 00:15:53.310 --> 00:15:57.570 So that was very generous of them. Okay. So I went and I got two of them. 00:15:57.670 --> 00:15:59.050 So this was like, you know, shit. 00:15:59.210 --> 00:16:03.930 I mean, it was a big. So I went and I checked on my email and voila, 00:16:03.930 --> 00:16:09.290 lo and behold, I did have my offer from Google and with my discount certificate 00:16:09.290 --> 00:16:12.670 for about half off for me to be able to get the new thermostats. 00:16:12.790 --> 00:16:16.930 And I'm like, OK, well, you know, it's six months from now. It's not that far off. 00:16:17.330 --> 00:16:19.350 I've got the damn coupon. 00:16:19.990 --> 00:16:24.810 Let me go and like buy these damn things. OK, so I bought the thermostat. 00:16:25.170 --> 00:16:32.310 And I did, I replaced one right now, not both of them. 00:16:32.470 --> 00:16:39.530 The really annoying thing that they did, okay, is that, you know, if you, 00:16:39.950 --> 00:16:45.690 well, I guess, well, yeah, you know, you probably expected that a lot of people 00:16:45.690 --> 00:16:49.350 were going to be, if you're doing this thing, you're discontinuing support for that. 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:52.550 You probably expect that a lot of people that are going to come in are going 00:16:52.550 --> 00:16:57.450 to be replacing their first and second generation Nest thermostats, 00:16:57.670 --> 00:16:59.990 okay? Especially when you're doing such a generous offer. 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:04.610 So the annoying, the incredibly annoying thing that they did is that the Nest 00:17:04.610 --> 00:17:10.630 thermostats has a plate on the wall on which you affix the thermostat to. 00:17:11.030 --> 00:17:13.270 They did not make the plate the same size. 00:17:14.710 --> 00:17:16.650 And I'm just like, why the fuck? 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:23.360 Would you change the square plate to an oval plate? Why? Why? 00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:26.120 What? What? What? What? Why? 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.020 Why? There's no fucking reason. 00:17:29.620 --> 00:17:32.540 Why can't you just make the fucking plate the same size? 00:17:32.740 --> 00:17:36.680 So the really irritating thing to me, which I'm sure that nobody else really 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.340 gives a shit, but many, well, I'm sure a lot of people will, 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.400 but a lot of people are like, eh, whatever, 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:48.080 is that when I had to take out the old plate, it ripped the paint, the paint, okay? 00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:56.020 I got an oval new plate versus the other one was square so now the whole paint 00:17:56.020 --> 00:18:00.200 is all fucked up around the stupid thermostat so now I gotta get fucking paint 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.980 to go and paint all around this because these idiots just couldn't make the 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:06.840 plate the same fucking shape, 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.940 okay really irritating, 00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:12.380 I 00:18:12.380 --> 00:18:16.880 Imagine there probably was some way you could have made like an adapter. 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:22.600 I tried. I tried to see if I could retrofit using the old plate. It wouldn't. 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:29.400 You know, even though everything was very similar, it wasn't the same in terms 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.100 of the wall plate and the little thing where you connect the cables. 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:37.340 That's why I was saying some sort of adapter, like you could 3D print an adapter or something. 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:42.820 Maybe I could have gone through all that trouble if I had a 3D printer and I 00:18:42.820 --> 00:18:43.880 was inclined with the time. 00:18:43.980 --> 00:18:47.800 But no, I realize that no, they don't have it. I'm like, fuckers. 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.160 I'm like, just whatever. I just got to go get paint, like right now. 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:54.700 But, okay, so I did connect this and I set it up. 00:18:56.260 --> 00:19:00.040 You know what? Google makes such shitty interfaces for software. 00:19:02.300 --> 00:19:10.860 okay yeah it's just the interface is just, 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:19.920 and it does come it the display on it is nice it does come with an extra so 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:24.700 the one thing is that this one comes with which is very cool that this part 00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:28.340 is cool it's got these little remote temperature sensors. 00:19:28.940 --> 00:19:32.520 Okay. They look like this. I'm showing to Sam on video. Okay. 00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:35.200 It's a little circle shaped white thing. 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:39.400 Yeah. And so there are, it has these little remote temperature sensors. 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:44.120 And the thing is that if you have a couple of thermostats, you could also tell 00:19:44.120 --> 00:19:49.840 it to set the temperature in a way like, hey, come average out the temperature between the two. 00:19:50.380 --> 00:19:54.560 That's nice. Like, yeah, I want that for our house. 00:19:54.820 --> 00:19:58.800 I want that like and I haven't even looked into whether I can like with the 00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:00.940 system we have extend it to do that. 00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:01.460 Right. 00:20:01.540 --> 00:20:05.660 But like, I think that would be nice. Like I said, we've got issues with, 00:20:05.820 --> 00:20:09.320 like, if you optimize for one part of the house, there's another part of the 00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:10.480 house that's too hot or too cold. 00:20:10.520 --> 00:20:14.240 And it would be nice to just put, like, five sensors scattered throughout the 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:15.560 house and say, do the average. 00:20:15.820 --> 00:20:21.700 And so I got two ACs. And so when I set the other one up, I can see that I can 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:26.820 have it, like, sense the temperature in the other room, in wherever. 00:20:26.860 --> 00:20:30.620 I could tell it to mix and match what you're averaging. Or, for example, 00:20:30.820 --> 00:20:35.040 right now, like right now I'm in the office in the living room AC and I got the sensor over here. 00:20:35.120 --> 00:20:37.840 I'm like, look, no, optimize for where the fuck I am right now. 00:20:37.940 --> 00:20:42.760 The hell with the hell with the rest of the living. I'm in the office. OK, right. 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.640 Fuck that. And I and I noticed already and I knew this from before. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.040 There are sometimes significant temperature differentials between like the living 00:20:51.040 --> 00:20:53.520 room and my office. OK, right. 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.800 Because of where the sun is coming in, what equipment you have running. 00:20:57.800 --> 00:21:00.820 hell even the heat from people in. 00:21:00.820 --> 00:21:01.400 The room. 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:02.360 You know all this kind of. 00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:07.380 Stuff it's like about four degrees temperature differential 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:10.180 okay you know pretty significant place is 00:21:10.180 --> 00:21:14.480 not that big you know my condo is not that big so yeah so you've got so you 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:20.040 you've got that so having that is a is a nice feature the instructions provided 00:21:20.040 --> 00:21:27.380 by google are shit okay you know i pretty much was able to connected because 00:21:27.380 --> 00:21:29.140 I remembered how the old one was connected, 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.660 but not because of the anything of the instructions provided. 00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:38.520 As a matter of fact, the fucking instructions didn't actually say, you know, 00:21:40.780 --> 00:21:45.980 here's the idiotic thing. You open the box, there's a little paper sheet in there. 00:21:46.220 --> 00:21:49.340 It doesn't really say anything other to show you what the contents are. 00:21:50.760 --> 00:21:58.160 Then, when you, after I connected it, then it says, hey, go to the Google Home app for setup. 00:21:58.540 --> 00:22:02.880 Then when you launch the Google Home app, then you realize that that's, 00:22:02.980 --> 00:22:07.520 there are step-by-step instructions to install it on the wall in the fucking 00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:13.700 app, but you don't see that until after you fucking plug in the stupid thermostat! 00:22:15.370 --> 00:22:19.770 That prompt is on the display after it's powered up. 00:22:20.310 --> 00:22:24.690 Right. Which you have to set up to get to that spot. Yes. 00:22:25.370 --> 00:22:26.210 Good Lord. 00:22:27.170 --> 00:22:28.070 That's lovely. 00:22:28.570 --> 00:22:30.810 I mean, this is literally, it's 00:22:30.810 --> 00:22:35.410 like the old story of setting an installation tape to set up your VCR. 00:22:35.930 --> 00:22:36.530 Right. 00:22:37.290 --> 00:22:37.830 I mean. 00:22:39.330 --> 00:22:44.370 So now that it's all set up, do you like it? Is it better than the old one or 00:22:44.370 --> 00:22:47.190 is it just like, God damn it, they forced me to do this for no benefit? 00:22:48.230 --> 00:22:55.150 Is it better? Well, with Nest thermostats, this still has those features. 00:22:55.490 --> 00:23:00.810 You know, the AI features, whatever. Listen, Nest was a learning thermostat. 00:23:01.030 --> 00:23:03.890 It learned based on how you set the temperature, days, times. 00:23:04.070 --> 00:23:05.050 It learned your patterns. 00:23:05.370 --> 00:23:09.830 It did certain things. It had sensors to detect whether you're home, not home. 00:23:10.010 --> 00:23:15.870 It used certain other devices to figure out. you know i'll tell you all that sounds. 00:23:15.870 --> 00:23:21.270 Cool to some degree but like all i want on mine is to set it at a temperature 00:23:21.270 --> 00:23:24.830 and say this is where i want my house leave me alone. 00:23:24.830 --> 00:23:29.970 Okay now you can do that okay i'm sure you know that's sort of basic no well 00:23:29.970 --> 00:23:34.990 you're not no no no you you say that and that's not exactly listen the old nest 00:23:34.990 --> 00:23:39.090 thermostat did not have a temperature hold feature. 00:23:39.490 --> 00:23:42.050 And that was an annoying thing. Okay. 00:23:42.270 --> 00:23:42.690 Oh, okay. 00:23:43.610 --> 00:23:49.170 You couldn't just say, you know, hold a temperature at this for how many days? 00:23:49.310 --> 00:23:53.170 And I had other thermostats that did allow that were programmable. 00:23:53.830 --> 00:23:55.190 And this one didn't. 00:23:55.310 --> 00:24:00.450 I'll be honest. We got, we got ours and I basically set it at 70. 00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:08.310 And the only times we ever touched that are like, if something's going on, like my, 00:24:08.470 --> 00:24:13.070 when, when the person who comes in to help clean our house is in here and working 00:24:13.070 --> 00:24:18.770 hard, she turns it down to like 60 while she's working. Cause she's gets all hot. 00:24:18.830 --> 00:24:20.250 So does our cleaning lady. Yeah. 00:24:20.330 --> 00:24:25.970 And then, and then it goes back to 70 when she's done. And then otherwise, we leave it. 00:24:25.970 --> 00:24:29.090 No, but we're, okay, over here, we're all fighting about the temperature. 00:24:29.570 --> 00:24:31.230 Well, and, you know, now. 00:24:31.230 --> 00:24:34.330 Okay, so as soon as I set it to 70, listen, don't give me that shit. 00:24:34.350 --> 00:24:38.810 Because my wife, I was sitting today, I was playing some game on the table, 00:24:38.810 --> 00:24:41.930 and she's, like, freezing, and I'm melting. 00:24:42.590 --> 00:24:47.910 Well, there are a couple things here. One, I'm doing it less lately, 00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:53.810 but there was a phase where I was constantly getting hot or cold and I was futzing with it. Okay. 00:24:54.390 --> 00:25:02.310 And so I was like, you know, I know it's 70 and I'm 70, but I'm hot. I'm turning it to 68. 00:25:02.490 --> 00:25:02.950 Right. 00:25:03.090 --> 00:25:07.490 You know, or sometimes the other way, like, you know, it's 70, 00:25:07.690 --> 00:25:09.610 I'm cold. I'm turning it to 72. 00:25:10.970 --> 00:25:14.050 But lately I've been doing much less of that and keeping it 70. 00:25:14.050 --> 00:25:15.490 But, you know, I mentioned... 00:25:15.490 --> 00:25:17.210 Also, you've been going to the office. 00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:22.770 Well, true. But also, I was going to say, since the head unit has been broken, 00:25:22.790 --> 00:25:25.590 I don't even know where it is anymore. It's not on the wall. 00:25:25.730 --> 00:25:28.930 No, it is on the wall. It just doesn't work anymore. But... 00:25:29.710 --> 00:25:35.770 But since then, where you have to use the app, I don't know that the other people 00:25:35.770 --> 00:25:38.050 in the family bothered to set up the app. 00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:41.230 So that's the thing. You're in control. 00:25:41.530 --> 00:25:42.190 I'm in control. 00:25:42.850 --> 00:25:44.570 Basically, you're in control. Okay. 00:25:44.850 --> 00:25:49.530 If they're hot, they can't go to the wall and change it. That doesn't work anymore. 00:25:49.550 --> 00:25:54.310 The thing is that everybody here has the app. I've already had these situations 00:25:54.310 --> 00:25:57.370 with my wife where I'm like, I'm fucking hot. 00:25:58.190 --> 00:26:02.530 and then like two minutes later she's like fuck and i'm like why the hell is 00:26:02.530 --> 00:26:07.910 it and i look at the thing why the fuck i'm like fuck she turned it turn it the fuck back up well. 00:26:07.910 --> 00:26:12.050 I i will tell you the one person i know does have the app is our cleaning person 00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:16.310 i set her up with it so she could turn it down when she's working but i i don't 00:26:16.310 --> 00:26:19.030 know if my wife or daughter ever bothered to set it up. 00:26:19.030 --> 00:26:20.250 Like they might. 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:21.970 Have i gave them the information but. 00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:25.050 So so yeah you know 00:26:25.050 --> 00:26:30.070 like right now i guess i mean i don't 00:26:30.070 --> 00:26:33.890 know i mean it's listen there i i 00:26:33.890 --> 00:26:37.730 guess here's the main thing while this thing like for example right now we're 00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:40.390 talking about the temperature differential it's saying that in the living room 00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:46.510 it's 72 okay but it's saying that in my office according to this it's 76 okay 00:26:46.510 --> 00:26:52.870 even though but i have the temperature set for it to cool okay so it's not But like, yeah, I have it. 00:26:53.150 --> 00:26:56.550 So there is a significant temperature differential. 00:26:56.850 --> 00:27:00.630 I hear you. I mean, I'll tell you right now, at 76, I would be melting. 00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:03.410 And I'd be like, oh my God, this is so hot. And I would. 00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:06.550 And, you know, so it's... 00:27:08.280 --> 00:27:15.040 While the features are nice, okay, you know, this is cool with the extra temperature 00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:18.860 sensors and the balancing the temperature ship and whatever. 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:22.960 But the reality is that I wasn't really looking at getting a new thermostat. 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:24.420 And I would not have gotten. 00:27:24.580 --> 00:27:25.000 You were fine. 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.180 I was perfectly happy with the functionality I had before. 00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:36.040 And I had no real, like, desire to really go and, like, buy new thermostats. 00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:39.820 And it's only the fact that I was going to lose, I knew that I was going to 00:27:39.820 --> 00:27:44.560 lose the functionality in, you know, less than six months. 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.260 That basically just drove me to make the decision. 00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:52.440 And I did go and like look at other thermostats. 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.380 But the main problem I've got is, and I knew this from a long time, 00:27:57.620 --> 00:28:07.140 is that most other thermostats require a power cable for the thermostat to the location, 00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:10.780 while the Nest ones do not require that. 00:28:10.780 --> 00:28:15.860 And, and because of that, I have stuck with a nest. 00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:20.380 Ecobee requires it, which is the one that I mostly considered. 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.840 It really does require it. And so I would have to get an electrician or somebody 00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:27.300 to go and like, and spend a ton of money rewiring that shit. 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:28.260 And I'm like, nah, I'm not. 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.580 Aside from the fact that I didn't want to change the fucking thermostat in the 00:28:31.580 --> 00:28:35.380 first place. Now I'm going to go fucking spend money in a damn electrician. No, fuck that. 00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:36.750 Okay. 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:40.610 No, no. I'm like, you know, I didn't want to do it in the first place. 00:28:41.170 --> 00:28:44.290 Shall we move on? Yes. Okay. 00:28:44.850 --> 00:28:50.870 So I, I, I have, I have my usual movie and I'm not going to skip my movie because I'm so far behind. 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:54.790 If I skip movie and at some point I'm going to have to do multiple movies, 00:28:54.950 --> 00:28:57.590 but, but I did want to mention one other thing. 00:28:57.730 --> 00:29:02.390 Cause it's sort of the completion of a saga I've mentioned on the show before. 00:29:02.950 --> 00:29:06.270 And that is, well, there, there was, there was Something happening. 00:29:06.550 --> 00:29:13.130 You know, I mentioned all kinds of crap at work, but like I had a significant 00:29:13.130 --> 00:29:16.010 end point of stuff that was stressing me out at work. 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:19.170 And I decided to reward myself with something. 00:29:19.590 --> 00:29:19.950 With a movie marathon. 00:29:20.610 --> 00:29:25.110 With a movie marathon. No, with something I've talked about before that I was 00:29:25.110 --> 00:29:28.730 like, I wonder, do I want that? I got an iPad. 00:29:29.070 --> 00:29:29.550 IPad! 00:29:30.930 --> 00:29:34.290 And specifically, like I've talked about on the show, I got a mid-range. 00:29:34.390 --> 00:29:36.890 This is an iPad Air. not an iPad Pro. 00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:40.610 I didn't go bottom end with the iPad iPad. 00:29:41.270 --> 00:29:44.670 I didn't go top end with the iPad Pro. I got an iPad Air. 00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:50.850 And like we talked about on the show before, I didn't like splurge on a whole bunch of memory either. 00:29:51.450 --> 00:29:57.270 Like I didn't go to, I didn't go to the absolute bottom. I got 256 instead like 00:29:57.270 --> 00:29:59.410 that. The bottom of the iPad Air is 128. 00:30:00.070 --> 00:30:05.910 I like my other devices like have, I think my phone has 512 or something, 00:30:06.150 --> 00:30:09.570 but I looked at what my phone was using and I was using less than half of. 00:30:10.100 --> 00:30:13.200 Now i usually when i buy a device i like 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.260 take what i'm using on my current device and double 00:30:16.260 --> 00:30:19.280 it and say i want at least that much headroom because if 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:22.280 i keep this a few years maybe i'll want more but as 00:30:22.280 --> 00:30:25.900 per like you know what we talked about it's 00:30:25.900 --> 00:30:29.300 it's like so much is in the cloud these days yeah like 00:30:29.300 --> 00:30:32.100 and i'm using less than 256 on my phone right 00:30:32.100 --> 00:30:35.260 now i'm like you know i'll just get to 256 00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:38.200 six like and so anyway i've 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.080 only had this a few days it's it's i i 00:30:41.080 --> 00:30:44.080 the the judgment has yet to be made of 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:47.700 well whether i will consistently use 00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:50.500 this long term because this is another 00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:53.240 reason why i didn't get it want to get like an ipad pro or 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.900 something is like i'm like i don't i i've 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.240 had this like i want i think i want an ipad again 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.420 notion in my head for a while because i 00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:06.200 had an ipad a long long time ago and then it died and i never 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.660 replaced it because i was like with the max size phones 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:12.620 you know i've got a pretty big screen here 00:31:12.620 --> 00:31:15.720 it's doing everything i wanted to do but i kind of wanted one 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.920 and but i wasn't sure exactly what 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.820 i'd end up using it for and so far 00:31:21.820 --> 00:31:27.780 like i said i've only had a few days so it's sort of like i am using it a lot 00:31:27.780 --> 00:31:32.100 right now but i don't know how much of that is the novelty of having a new device 00:31:32.100 --> 00:31:37.360 and being like oh i'll use the ipad oh i'll use the ipad as opposed to habits 00:31:37.360 --> 00:31:39.900 that i'll build on a long-term basis i gotta. 00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:45.720 Tell you that i've had this ipad for six months and i am at the i i am using 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:51.540 it so much more than i have been using my old ipad and that has remained the. 00:31:51.540 --> 00:31:52.840 You have a pro right case. 00:31:52.840 --> 00:32:02.060 Yeah i do have a pro but the but but Remember, my other iPad was, Jesus, nine years old. 00:32:02.320 --> 00:32:02.920 Right. 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:09.400 It wasn't exactly, you know, the latest, the greatest one. Okay. So, you know. 00:32:10.610 --> 00:32:15.650 But that iPad, it was the original, one of the original pro iPads. 00:32:15.870 --> 00:32:20.270 I must admit that, look, Apple did support the hell out of that iPad. 00:32:20.490 --> 00:32:23.090 It got software updates up until 00:32:23.090 --> 00:32:27.250 like last year. Okay? We're talking about supporting old devices. Okay? 00:32:27.590 --> 00:32:30.310 I mean, that one got software updates up until like last year. 00:32:30.350 --> 00:32:34.310 I mean, it got eight, nine years of fucking software updates. That's shit. 00:32:34.830 --> 00:32:40.030 I mean, that's way more than average. 00:32:40.610 --> 00:32:41.350 Okay, no. 00:32:41.770 --> 00:32:49.030 So I was using it, but because it wasn't as fast and, you know, 00:32:49.110 --> 00:32:52.190 I used to have a keyboard for it and the keyboard was kludgy. 00:32:52.510 --> 00:32:55.770 And so I didn't have the keyboard. I didn't use it as much. 00:32:55.850 --> 00:33:00.970 However, now with the iPad Pro and I got the new keyboard that has a little 00:33:00.970 --> 00:33:02.750 trackpad and everything on it. 00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:07.390 I, yeah, I'm using that thing, you know, constantly. 00:33:08.050 --> 00:33:12.070 So I did not get a keyboard. I did not get a pencil. I'm like, 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:15.890 I have a laptop. I'm going to use this as a tablet when I use it. I did get a pencil. 00:33:15.890 --> 00:33:21.710 And by the way, I don't think, I've used it to play around that I've never actually used it. 00:33:21.710 --> 00:33:23.130 I actually used it. Yeah. 00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:25.430 Yeah, like used it for real? No. 00:33:26.250 --> 00:33:33.730 Yeah, and I'm like, I haven't felt tempted really to like have a keyboard on it and stuff. 00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:38.830 I don't know. Like I want to use this as a tablet. I figure I've got plenty of keyboard devices. 00:33:39.850 --> 00:33:44.690 i don't know maybe i'll play with that at some point but for the most part like i found like 00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:49.330 it's just nice to have the bigger screen for certain browsing and certain social 00:33:49.330 --> 00:33:56.590 media stuff even and and and like even like tiktok it's nice to have the bigger 00:33:56.590 --> 00:34:00.070 screen you know i don't know i've usually the. 00:34:00.070 --> 00:34:01.590 One thing that i do a lot with it. 00:34:01.590 --> 00:34:04.710 I've watched a little bit of tv on it a little bit of you go to the. 00:34:04.710 --> 00:34:06.330 Office don't you take with you to the office. 00:34:06.330 --> 00:34:09.890 Well that's one thing i don't take my laptop to 00:34:09.890 --> 00:34:17.330 meet with me to a laptop listen i don't take my laptop my personal laptop with 00:34:17.330 --> 00:34:21.730 me to the office but i have been taking the ipad with me yeah there you go and 00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:26.470 so like when i'm at lunch or whatever and i want to just scroll my media instead 00:34:26.470 --> 00:34:29.730 of doing my phone i've been doing it on the ipad exactly it was a lot. 00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:31.430 Bigger it's like you know you can read a lot. 00:34:31.430 --> 00:34:39.270 And i've found also like I've been heavily resistant to even looking at my personal email on my phone. 00:34:39.410 --> 00:34:42.910 Like I've done it a few times, but it's like, it's kind of a pain. 00:34:43.070 --> 00:34:48.090 I found I'm a little bit more willing to do that on the iPad than I am on the phone. 00:34:48.450 --> 00:34:52.210 So I've been trying to keep up a little bit more. I mean, we've talked about 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:55.690 my email issues before, but like, I don't know. 00:34:56.790 --> 00:35:01.490 It's good so far. Like I said, we'll see how it plays out over time. 00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:05.810 But, you know, like several days in, I'm enjoying it. And oh, and I got blue. 00:35:06.490 --> 00:35:09.210 blue i got the wow blue color you 00:35:09.210 --> 00:35:12.050 got blue like and honestly this is the first time 00:35:12.050 --> 00:35:15.970 i've gotten a color separate from 00:35:15.970 --> 00:35:22.830 i always get like whatever the gray is some sometimes black but like you know 00:35:22.830 --> 00:35:27.570 i've never gotten the colored apple stuff before so this is my first venture 00:35:27.570 --> 00:35:33.030 into that and it's fine i do have a blue phone it's very subtly blue but yeah yeah. 00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:38.630 It's like i do have a blue phone that i did my last phone i think a lot yeah 00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:42.410 this phone is blue i don't remember what the hell the last phone before this 00:35:42.410 --> 00:35:46.950 one i had i used to get a lot of the white i i got the really bright white ones 00:35:46.950 --> 00:35:52.070 uh but this ipad i got is black but. 00:35:52.070 --> 00:35:55.150 Yeah you know well the pros come in less colors they save 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:57.950 the colors for the lower end models to sort of make up 00:35:57.950 --> 00:36:00.750 for the fact that you don't get the performance or whatever i guess 00:36:00.750 --> 00:36:07.670 you get to say like oh it's blue it's blue it's blue you know so anyway anyway 00:36:07.670 --> 00:36:13.570 enough of that i did want to not skip my movie the movie the movie for this 00:36:13.570 --> 00:36:19.550 time is from 1984 the karate kid oh. 00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:20.750 My god well timely. 00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:27.010 Oh because there's new karate kid yes yes well there's there's been a bunch 00:36:27.010 --> 00:36:32.990 of new karate kid stuff there was actually a the the Cobra Kai TV series and some other stuff. 00:36:33.970 --> 00:36:39.550 You know, and Karate Kid is one of those that I'm pretty sure I hit. 00:36:39.970 --> 00:36:45.870 I'm pretty sure over the years I had seen pretty much all of it, 00:36:45.950 --> 00:36:49.790 but I'm not sure I'd ever seen it beginning to end straight through. 00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:50.650 Interesting. 00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:55.410 Like, you know, but it's one of the movies that, you know, came on TV a lot 00:36:55.410 --> 00:36:58.170 and you'd see bits and pieces of it and you'd stop. 00:36:58.310 --> 00:37:02.410 And so I, you know, and they're famous scenes like the sweep the leg, 00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:06.130 sweep the leg. There's the paintbrush thing. 00:37:06.530 --> 00:37:11.650 And yeah, all the wax on wax off. Yeah. 00:37:12.170 --> 00:37:15.610 There's all that sort of famous stuff. I, I, 00:37:16.620 --> 00:37:23.680 You know, to me, this did not, like, stun me. I'm going to give it a thumb sideways. 00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:31.060 Because I hadn't, like, been a fan of it and watched it a lot when I was younger, 00:37:31.060 --> 00:37:35.480 I don't have the big nostalgic connection to it, like, that some people might have. 00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:39.420 Like, oh, The Karate Kid, it's, like, big nostalgia, whatever. 00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:44.640 I didn't have that because I didn't really watch it at that point. 00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:49.300 Like I said, I, I feel like I knew all the bits and pieces, but not because 00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:53.420 I, I, I was a fan or I watched it straight through. 00:37:53.660 --> 00:37:56.840 It was sort of like by osmosis because it existed in the culture. 00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.980 and you know it was fine but 00:38:00.980 --> 00:38:04.320 i wasn't like blown away thumb sideways that 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.280 that's where i am but it is like it is 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:16.500 one of those classic gen x cultural films that like i guess was part of the 00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:23.740 zeitgeist of our generation at least and so i guess it's if you haven't seen 00:38:23.740 --> 00:38:26.360 it and you're roughly in Thank you. 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.660 Our generation gen x ish then you 00:38:30.660 --> 00:38:33.540 probably should or even even if you saw it 00:38:33.540 --> 00:38:37.300 decades ago maybe it's time to revisit again it had 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:40.260 a few sequel movies and like i said there's been more recent 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:43.320 sequel tv shows and there's a new sequel movie coming 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.380 out and there's all there's a whole 00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:49.420 franchise now let me let me look at the franchise now 00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:52.880 we had for films we had 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.720 the karate kid in 1984 karate kid part 00:38:55.720 --> 00:38:59.580 2 in 86 karate kid part 3 in 89 then 00:38:59.580 --> 00:39:03.620 the next karate kid in 1994 then 00:39:03.620 --> 00:39:07.360 a new the karate kid in 2010 and 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.620 the one that's coming out this month is karate 00:39:10.620 --> 00:39:13.240 kid legends legends i was going to 00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:19.100 say legends and then there were two tv series a karate kid tv series in 1989 00:39:19.100 --> 00:39:22.880 and then cobra kai that went from 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:31.260 that went from 2018 to 2025 and i don't know if it's over i i am pretty. 00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:35.120 Sure i did not see anything beyond karate kid part three. 00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:37.080 Okay and i i. 00:39:37.080 --> 00:39:39.360 Do remember for. 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.240 Some reason multiple video games too. 00:39:41.240 --> 00:39:48.560 Oh well i did not play any of those but i i do remember that i took as one of my first dates with this. 00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:49.240 Girlfriend that. 00:39:49.240 --> 00:39:56.060 I had that you met in Pittsburgh that I met in Puerto Rico. I took her to that movie. 00:39:57.580 --> 00:40:02.520 She actually came to visit me while I was in Hampshire. So I remember that movie. 00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:05.320 I remember the girl. Vaguely. 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:11.180 At least you remember Sabina. So I went and that was like one of the, 00:40:11.220 --> 00:40:14.240 I think the first movie as a date that, 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:20.880 I took her to was karate kid part three for some reason i remember that okay 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.020 i remember a whole bunch of other things why the fuck i don't know. 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.100 So, you remember the date, but do you remember, did you like the movie? 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.360 I remember that I thought the movie was kind of like... 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.140 Well, you're talking about part three, but... 00:40:33.140 --> 00:40:36.360 Yeah, well, I do remember that the movie was kind of like... 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.220 What did you think of the first one? 00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:42.740 I remember that I liked the first one when I saw it back then. 00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:47.520 I don't know if I, re-watching it now, would like it as much as back then. 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.960 But I do remember that when I watched it back then, I did watch the first one. 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:58.920 Enough that I did go and watch Karate Kid Part 2 and Part 3, for God's sakes. 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:05.060 Now, look, I, now, now, wait, no, let's be clear about this. 00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:10.180 Back then, it's not like you had that many choices in terms of, like, entertainment. 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.720 So that was, like, the big summer release. And so if we're going to go on a 00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:20.620 date and it's, like, the biggest movie opening, it's not like you're going to go and, like, watch. 00:41:20.620 --> 00:41:26.180 there's not that many other choices to go watch so well honestly i am sure that 00:41:26.180 --> 00:41:33.320 i went to watch it not because i was like oh my god you know i'm so into karate 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:38.120 kid part part three it's like well this is the only movie uh well honestly. 00:41:38.120 --> 00:41:43.600 Even now if you're actually going to go to the theater as opposed to everything 00:41:43.600 --> 00:41:50.380 you can get online you know the you know most multiplexes Maybe if you're lucky, 00:41:50.560 --> 00:41:54.660 you got 10 or 12 movies playing at any given time, and most of them are probably less. 00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:58.800 Well, but here's the thing. This was in Puerto Rico. 00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:07.500 So, okay, we didn't really have really big multiplexes yet in Puerto Rico versus over here. 00:42:07.620 --> 00:42:11.080 So when you went to the theater, at that theater in San Juan, 00:42:11.240 --> 00:42:14.160 there were basically two big theaters. 00:42:14.160 --> 00:42:19.720 but the one thing that was really strange about these is these were very massive 00:42:19.720 --> 00:42:24.140 theaters right so you had this movie house that probably could fit, 00:42:24.720 --> 00:42:30.000 a couple of thousand people inside. Okay. The screen was massive. Okay. 00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:33.180 But it was not like the smaller multiplex one. 00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:38.640 So, and then there was like, there was another place where they had like four, it was four theaters. 00:42:38.780 --> 00:42:43.760 So you didn't have like the 20 theater, like, like, like complexes. 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.580 You really had this place where this was the biggest theater there. 00:42:47.580 --> 00:42:51.640 And they had these two, now these two big houses. 00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:55.520 Now, by the way, this was actually very cool because the screens i remember 00:42:55.520 --> 00:43:00.160 coming to pittsburgh afterwards and i'd been up to the u.s a few times before 00:43:00.160 --> 00:43:07.720 i've been to a multiplex where the screens are very small yeah it was like realizing holy shit the. 00:43:07.720 --> 00:43:12.220 Screen yeah there was a period of time where they were packing more and more 00:43:12.220 --> 00:43:16.360 theaters in and getting smaller and smaller screens i think that trend is reversed 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:21.260 now and we're back to bigger screens and bigger but you know there was a time 00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:25.460 period where you'd get the theater with 12 screens, but every screen, 00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:30.280 like practically the screens were the size that you have at home these days. 00:43:30.540 --> 00:43:35.340 Not quite, but not that much different, to be honest with you. 00:43:35.600 --> 00:43:41.980 Not like back then where this thing was, I mean, it's just the side of a fucking 00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:44.340 building where you were looking at this movie. Okay, literally. 00:43:44.980 --> 00:43:48.160 Okay. So, yeah. So, anyway. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.880 Karate Kid, original. 00:43:51.660 --> 00:43:52.820 Thumb sideways. Thumb sideways for me. 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.280 Okay. Yeah. All right. So. 00:43:55.680 --> 00:44:03.640 And that's it. Shall we take a break and then start hitting our more serious thingy bops thingy? 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:04.240 Slapping it. 00:44:05.420 --> 00:44:08.020 Slapping what, Yvonne? What are you doing? You know. 00:44:08.140 --> 00:44:08.620 The subjects. 00:44:09.080 --> 00:44:14.420 Oh, slapping it. Okay. I was going to say you really should do that in private. But okay. 00:44:14.600 --> 00:44:16.440 We should try to slap it. 00:44:17.660 --> 00:44:21.480 Okay, we will be back right after this. 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:31.580 Do, do, do! This podcast is sponsored by AlexEmzilla.com. 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.220 Alex Emzilla is great. 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:41.260 It's on YouTube. 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This is the last couple of hours. 00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:07.720 So just to be clear. 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.800 It's not that it's yet identified Shake Hotel. 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.300 All okay airspace. 00:46:12.300 --> 00:46:17.800 In pakistan closest temporarily is india shuts airports india shut all there's 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.620 a airport shutdown in india right now because of the. 00:46:21.620 --> 00:46:24.860 So let me let me clarify what 00:46:24.860 --> 00:46:29.560 you said it's not that no place else was covering it at all it's just that when 00:46:29.560 --> 00:46:35.200 this started bbc was the only place that was doing sort of wall-to-wall coverage 00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:40.300 of it like everybody else would like sort of mention it in passing and then 00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:42.900 move on and start talking about Donald Trump or the Pope or something. 00:46:43.640 --> 00:46:49.420 But when this, when the, when, like, let's hit, first of all, 00:46:49.600 --> 00:46:57.480 there was a terrorist attack on some tourists a few weeks ago in Kashmir, 00:46:57.700 --> 00:47:03.220 in the disputed territory of Kashmir, in the Indian controlled part of it. 00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:09.420 And that got almost no attention. Like I saw a couple news alerts on it, 00:47:09.560 --> 00:47:13.900 but like it, it didn't hit any of the normal sort of, 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:20.960 American news programs that I consume on a regular basis, not even a mention. 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.600 You know, of course, there was an article in the New York Times. 00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:29.080 There were a few other places that had something, but it wasn't at the top of the news. 00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:32.460 Then a couple of weeks later, the Indian retaliation happened. 00:47:32.580 --> 00:47:37.600 And that's when I was sort of noting, I often watch the four-up display on my, 00:47:37.740 --> 00:47:41.140 you know, YouTube TV lets you watch a four-up display of news channels. 00:47:41.140 --> 00:47:47.920 So it's got Fox in the upper left, CNN in the upper right, MSNBC in the bottom 00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.680 left, and BBC World News in the bottom right. 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.260 And that's where I was noticing all the others were talking about whatever. 00:47:56.620 --> 00:48:00.160 CNN briefly mentioned India, but then moved on to something else. 00:48:00.580 --> 00:48:04.380 BBC was treating it like, oh, end of the world breaking news, 00:48:04.580 --> 00:48:06.500 we're doing nonstop coverage of this. 00:48:06.500 --> 00:48:09.920 even they eventually switched over to pope stuff but 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.600 i guess today there's been more back and forth and 00:48:13.600 --> 00:48:18.440 there was also a comment was it jd vance today who said uh when asked about 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:24.160 america's opinion on on this conflict basically said it's none of our business 00:48:24.160 --> 00:48:28.760 they can do whatever they want whereas like some people were hoping that the 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.480 u.s would actually try to intervene and not militarily or anything, 00:48:32.620 --> 00:48:37.260 but try to help with the, like, hey, let's calm this down. 00:48:37.460 --> 00:48:39.700 Can we come to some sort of arrangement, blah, blah, blah. 00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:44.460 There was a various international organizations have said things like that. 00:48:44.560 --> 00:48:46.700 Let's try to calm it down and see what we can do. 00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:49.240 But I guess it's been escalating anyway. 00:48:49.420 --> 00:48:52.500 What are, you know, I've been busy the last few hours. 00:48:52.720 --> 00:48:55.380 I mean, you just rattled off a whole bunch of new developments. 00:48:55.380 --> 00:49:00.180 Well, I, listen, I, what I, I went and I was looking at my social media and 00:49:00.180 --> 00:49:03.880 somebody was saying that they were scared about this, but it seems that, 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.180 okay, so these are the breaking news from last, 00:49:06.810 --> 00:49:11.490 A couple of hours. It started with Pakistan accuses India of firing missiles 00:49:11.490 --> 00:49:12.730 at three of its Arab bases. 00:49:12.990 --> 00:49:18.630 A spokesman for Pakistan's military says India has fired missiles at three Pakistani military bases. 00:49:18.970 --> 00:49:23.870 India has not commented on the claims. And a live TV broadcast aired by state 00:49:23.870 --> 00:49:28.590 television Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhary warned India that it should 00:49:28.590 --> 00:49:30.590 wait for a response. Okay. 00:49:31.210 --> 00:49:34.130 Then the Pakistani said that some missiles got through defense systems. 00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:37.970 And then Pakistan said it's launching a retaliatory action against India. 00:49:38.870 --> 00:49:44.530 Then this is from reporting from Sringar, Indian Administrator Kashmir. 00:49:44.690 --> 00:49:50.290 This is an Indian territory in Kashmir blast as yet unidentified Sheikh Hotel. 00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:56.710 There's a reporter there. I was woken up by two massive explosions in Sringar at 545 a.m. 00:49:56.790 --> 00:49:59.250 local time. About 20 minutes later, three more blasts occurred. 00:49:59.470 --> 00:50:02.450 The first two blasts shook our hotel. there's a 00:50:02.450 --> 00:50:05.310 complete blackout in the city and there's no clarity yet on what 00:50:05.310 --> 00:50:09.410 what the what are these sounds this was half an 00:50:09.410 --> 00:50:12.170 hour ago airspace in pakistan no an 00:50:12.170 --> 00:50:15.490 hour and a half ago airspace in pakistan closes temporarily 00:50:15.490 --> 00:50:18.530 as india shuts airport shortly after reported strikes 00:50:18.530 --> 00:50:22.330 which pakistan glades were indian and hit three of its air bases pakistan air 00:50:22.330 --> 00:50:26.110 force authority closed the country's airspace to all traffic until midday local 00:50:26.110 --> 00:50:29.590 time in the last few moments airports authority in india has announced it's 00:50:29.590 --> 00:50:33.170 closing 32 airports across the north and west of the country until the morning 00:50:33.170 --> 00:50:35.690 of the 15th of May, basically for six days. 00:50:36.250 --> 00:50:40.850 This is, you know, Jesus, okay? That's a long time. Eyewitnesses report hearing 00:50:40.850 --> 00:50:43.410 explosions near Srinagar Airport. 00:50:44.130 --> 00:50:50.430 So, so yeah, it seems like India launched missiles at its air bases, 00:50:50.430 --> 00:50:55.210 and Pakistan is doing a retaliatory strike on them right now as we speak. 00:50:55.610 --> 00:51:02.010 Well, and look, here, here's the there's a couple different thoughts on this. 00:51:02.310 --> 00:51:09.850 One, of course, is that it's not like India and Pakistan have been at peace for decades. 00:51:10.010 --> 00:51:15.730 There have been periodic conflicts between these two countries going back since 00:51:15.730 --> 00:51:17.230 these two countries existed. 00:51:17.610 --> 00:51:21.550 So on the one hand, you can be like, oh, okay, here they go again. 00:51:21.950 --> 00:51:26.170 They'll have a little mini war, they'll exchange some missiles, 00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:29.710 and then it'll calm down and cross your fingers. 00:51:29.930 --> 00:51:32.610 Hope that's what happens. But on the other hand, 00:51:33.640 --> 00:51:40.400 both these countries have nukes. And if it is escalating rather than calming 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.280 down, it is a matter of concern. 00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:51.040 Now, they've gone to war before since they both were nuclear powers and it has 00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:53.240 not escalated to the use of nuclear weapons. 00:51:53.300 --> 00:52:00.900 So you've got to hope that leadership in both countries knows not to go there, 00:52:01.020 --> 00:52:04.720 knows that it's in either one of their benefits to move to an all-out war, 00:52:05.980 --> 00:52:11.320 they instead, you know, do some tit-for-tat over the border and then call it 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.280 done for a while. And, you know... 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:14.620 But we hope. 00:52:15.220 --> 00:52:19.040 So we hope. Yes. But... 00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:25.220 And look, I'm not even going to pretend that I know a lot about what the hell 00:52:25.220 --> 00:52:30.540 is going on there and the details of the conflict between them. 00:52:30.700 --> 00:52:35.620 Well, look, here's... I think, you know, it's a territorial dispute. 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.960 It's been ongoing for decades. 00:52:38.300 --> 00:52:42.920 Yeah, exactly. I mean, but I don't know all the details of that. 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.440 But the one thing is, has everything happened with any of these? 00:52:45.600 --> 00:52:49.420 Well, I mean, this is, well, I mean, the details. Look, this goes back to how 00:52:49.420 --> 00:52:50.740 the partition. It goes back to the partition. 00:52:51.020 --> 00:53:00.140 Yes, it goes. And where the line was drawn. And this particular province has 00:53:00.140 --> 00:53:04.760 a greater Muslim population than the rest of India. 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.400 And so Pakistan thinks they should have it. Yes. 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:12.320 I mean, that's basically it's the same dispute. Now, the one thing that, 00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:14.900 of course, is a flare up, but it's a flare up. 00:53:15.020 --> 00:53:17.420 You know, why is this like now something? 00:53:18.060 --> 00:53:23.160 It's because of something that history has shown is the kind of shit that starts 00:53:23.160 --> 00:53:25.500 wars. You know, there's a terror attack. 00:53:26.380 --> 00:53:30.440 It was an attack, unidentified, it's not Indian territory. 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:36.200 Well, here's the thing. This is another one where there is an organization that 00:53:36.200 --> 00:53:39.340 claimed responsibility for it, but the Indian government says, 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.500 no, no, the Pakistani government was behind it. 00:53:41.680 --> 00:53:41.780 Right. 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.940 The Pakistani government says, no, we weren't, we had nothing to do with it. 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:51.540 The Indians made an attack that they said went after the training bases of the 00:53:51.540 --> 00:53:55.880 organization that carried out the attacks, But the Pakistanis are like, 00:53:56.040 --> 00:53:59.700 no, you hit a bunch of civilians, including children, blah, blah, blah. 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.220 And so it continues, you know? 00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.800 Yeah. But what I was saying is that, you know, my thing is if you look in history 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.440 and like, you know, how... 00:54:10.370 --> 00:54:14.810 many conflicts have started. I mean, look at the Spanish-American War, 00:54:14.930 --> 00:54:17.430 World War I, you know, shit. 00:54:17.730 --> 00:54:23.230 I mean, the Gulf of Tonkin, something. This is the kind of like an event that— But. 00:54:23.230 --> 00:54:28.670 Let me look. I looked up the Wikipedia page on Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts. 00:54:29.270 --> 00:54:37.170 So there was the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 to 48, the Indo-Pakistani War of 00:54:37.170 --> 00:54:41.150 1965, the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, 00:54:41.890 --> 00:54:46.590 the Cargill War of 1999, and then we had smaller conflicts, 00:54:46.730 --> 00:54:53.990 the Kutch Conflict in 1965, the Saichen Conflict from 1984 to 2003, 00:54:53.990 --> 00:54:58.370 and then they have a list of skirmishes, which are smaller. 00:54:58.550 --> 00:55:03.650 They've got one from 1986 to 87, one in 1999, one from 2001 to 2002, 00:55:03.650 --> 00:55:11.830 one in 2008, one in 2011, 2013, 2014 through 2015, 2016 through 2018, 00:55:12.390 --> 00:55:20.670 2019, 2020 through 2021, and now what they're calling the 2025 India-Pakistan 00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:24.490 standoff that began on April 23rd, 2025. 00:55:24.890 --> 00:55:28.070 My point in that list is just that it's a long list. 00:55:28.210 --> 00:55:32.910 It's a long list. It's a long list. Yeah. I mean, no doubt about it. It's a long list. 00:55:33.970 --> 00:55:41.550 But, you know, so I do think, you know, always, you know, these guys escalating 00:55:41.550 --> 00:55:43.150 always gives you a little bit of hard work. 00:55:43.450 --> 00:55:48.110 Well, yes. I mean, and this is the same thing where we were talking about, you know. 00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:55.400 Could the situation in Israel-Gaza escalate to something that encompasses the entire Middle East? 00:55:55.540 --> 00:56:00.220 Could the situation in Ukraine escalate to something that ends up being a superpower 00:56:00.220 --> 00:56:03.300 battle between the U.S. and Russia with direct conflict? 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:05.640 And here we have— Superpower battle? 00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:06.740 Who's the other superpower? 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:08.900 Yeah, I hear you. Well, China. 00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:10.720 Oh, okay. All right. 00:56:11.540 --> 00:56:16.400 No, and then here we have, like, you know, could this blow up into, 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.500 you know, a full— Do they start using nukes on each other, you know, 00:56:20.680 --> 00:56:25.380 and all of these things have the potential of escalation. 00:56:25.560 --> 00:56:29.000 And that's what, look, we should be concerned anyway, even if they don't escalate. 00:56:29.160 --> 00:56:31.280 Wars are wars. Wars are bad. 00:56:31.540 --> 00:56:34.560 Like there are people dying that don't need to be dying. 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.180 But the, the worry of escalation is always the big worry. 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.860 Like what if this turns into not just some skirmishes, but something huge? 00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:51.240 Look, I will say that I always, I had a lot of, I'm sure it included nightmares 00:56:51.240 --> 00:56:59.300 as well, but a lot of like residual angst from watching this damn movie many years ago, time of, 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.840 of, of what's the name of, of, of, of, it was Karate in the wrong time. 00:57:03.600 --> 00:57:05.160 No, the, the dead zone. 00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:06.000 Oh, okay. 00:57:06.940 --> 00:57:15.000 The dead zone was this movie where what's his name martin sheen plays a guy that became is a, 00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:20.460 political guy and christopher walken was a guy that could see the future and 00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:25.180 one of the scenes that he sees the future is that martin machine becomes president and, 00:57:25.710 --> 00:57:30.370 And there is some incident that happens internationally that's unclear in the 00:57:30.370 --> 00:57:37.350 movie and that there's a negotiation and that the president decides to launch a nuclear attack. 00:57:37.910 --> 00:57:42.650 And that he basically the I think the secretary of defense or whoever was the 00:57:42.650 --> 00:57:44.450 second in command is trying to talk him out of it. 00:57:44.870 --> 00:57:50.450 And he he's talking like unfortunately, like some of the leaders we have like 00:57:50.450 --> 00:57:51.690 now, like a complete lunatic. 00:57:51.690 --> 00:57:54.490 and he's like and he threatens him 00:57:54.490 --> 00:57:57.390 that either you put your hand there to do the authorization 00:57:57.390 --> 00:58:03.290 i'll cut off your hand and he goes and he authorizes the nuclear nuclear attack 00:58:03.290 --> 00:58:09.790 and then he lets reporters and others come up and they say hey we we we and 00:58:09.790 --> 00:58:12.970 and some people that are on his staff hey we we think we have a way of resolving 00:58:12.970 --> 00:58:17.150 the situation and he goes and he says the missiles are flying. Hallelujah. 00:58:17.770 --> 00:58:21.490 I always fear a psychopath like that. Okay. 00:58:21.810 --> 00:58:29.510 I think that is more my, the thing that scares me is some crazy bastard that 00:58:29.510 --> 00:58:32.990 is in charge of a country with nuclear weapons decides to do that. 00:58:33.250 --> 00:58:36.110 I guess that is like my worst fear. 00:58:36.230 --> 00:58:38.310 This was the Dead Zone from 1983? 00:58:38.850 --> 00:58:39.370 Yes. 00:58:40.150 --> 00:58:40.990 With, let's see. 00:58:41.310 --> 00:58:42.330 Christopher Walken. 00:58:42.510 --> 00:58:49.070 Christopher Walken. Martin Sheen. martin sheen anthony michael hall yeah and 00:58:49.070 --> 00:58:55.450 it was based on a novel from stephen king stephen king yes and a few other folks yeah okay yeah. 00:58:55.450 --> 00:59:01.270 So i don't know that always gave me the creeps just that thought of a president 00:59:01.270 --> 00:59:04.730 just going nuts and launching a nuclear attack. 00:59:04.730 --> 00:59:09.010 Well it's not you know but we have a history of, 00:59:10.620 --> 00:59:18.780 electing exceptionally stable, smart, rational presidents who are calm and collected 00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:20.280 and know what to do in a crisis. 00:59:20.740 --> 00:59:23.380 I don't know what could possibly worry you, Yvonne. 00:59:24.160 --> 00:59:25.100 What could possibly go wrong? 00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:32.840 Yes. Well, you know, under the circumstances, I'm not sure J.D. 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:38.320 Vance's it's none of our business we're keeping out of it is the worst possible answer here. 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.380 It's not. It's just, The thing is that, you know, these guys are so glib. 00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:49.020 Everything is just, everything is for fucking like, you know, 00:59:49.460 --> 00:59:52.660 being on Twitter and, you know, getting clicks. 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.320 No thought put into anything. 00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.940 I mean, to be serious for a minute, like, especially with the current administration, 01:00:00.940 --> 01:00:03.840 but even otherwise, the U.S. 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.960 does not have a really stellar record of coming into conflicts elsewhere in 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.880 the world and helping them resolve peacefully. 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.520 I mean, we have succeeded a couple points. There's, like, Ireland, 01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:18.680 you know, Bill Clinton did a good job there. 01:00:18.820 --> 01:00:21.460 Hey, wait a second. World War II? 01:00:22.660 --> 01:00:28.860 Well, I'm talking resolving peacefully. I'm saying where there's a dispute between 01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:32.040 two other people and we come in as the mediator and generate peace, 01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:36.440 not we come in as a combatant and win the war. That's different. 01:00:38.050 --> 01:00:43.590 I mean, well, I mean, look, for what it's worth. 01:00:44.130 --> 01:00:51.730 Yugoslavia and Ireland are the two I can pick off the top of my head. 01:00:51.730 --> 01:00:54.690 Yeah, I mean, Yugoslavia and Ireland are two pretty big ones. 01:00:54.770 --> 01:00:56.070 They're pretty good examples. 01:00:56.130 --> 01:01:01.770 And you know what? But we got fucking close. Clinton got fucking close. 01:01:01.970 --> 01:01:03.310 On Israel-Palestine? 01:01:03.410 --> 01:01:07.090 Yes! But I was about so fucking close. 01:01:07.090 --> 01:01:10.670 I was about to bring that up as an example where we've been trying for decades 01:01:10.670 --> 01:01:14.290 and decades and decades without success. But you're right. We did get close. 01:01:14.690 --> 01:01:15.330 Fucking close. 01:01:17.710 --> 01:01:20.970 Yes. The whole world would be so much different if. 01:01:21.170 --> 01:01:22.230 Can you imagine? 01:01:22.890 --> 01:01:27.030 If Arafat had said yes and they didn't assassinate what's his name in Israel? 01:01:27.270 --> 01:01:27.650 Rabin. 01:01:28.030 --> 01:01:28.370 Rabin. 01:01:28.450 --> 01:01:28.610 Rabin. 01:01:28.730 --> 01:01:30.190 Yeah. So. 01:01:32.950 --> 01:01:34.890 Yeah. That fucking close. 01:01:35.870 --> 01:01:39.270 Yeah. Yeah. So I guess, I mean, 01:01:39.710 --> 01:01:45.250 the, the U S has a tendency to not, I mean, American media in general, 01:01:45.630 --> 01:01:50.310 like international stuff doesn't tend to get a lot of our attention in less 01:01:50.310 --> 01:01:51.710 we are directly involved. 01:01:52.790 --> 01:01:57.030 I'd say this is one of the ones where it deserves a little attention. 01:01:57.710 --> 01:01:57.890 Yeah. 01:01:58.610 --> 01:02:04.370 It deserves a little attention and you may have to like go a little out of your 01:02:04.370 --> 01:02:09.030 way to, to like keep up to date on it. 01:02:09.210 --> 01:02:13.930 Like, you know, BBC news is basically their wall to wall on it right now again. 01:02:13.930 --> 01:02:16.270 So they're, they're, they're on it. 01:02:16.450 --> 01:02:20.870 Like, right. Yeah. Let me, uh, let me do at this very second, 01:02:20.870 --> 01:02:28.170 let me bring up my four up and yeah. So what we got is let's see, 01:02:28.330 --> 01:02:30.390 Fox is talking about the Newark mayor. 01:02:30.770 --> 01:02:32.930 We, and so is CNN. 01:02:34.010 --> 01:02:39.410 MSNBC is talking about tariffs and BBC News is talking about India-Pakistan. 01:02:40.550 --> 01:02:46.950 so that's where we are and and i brought that up on my ipad you see very very 01:02:46.950 --> 01:02:54.650 excited i know admittedly at this very moment alex took my phone and who knows where it is but well. 01:02:54.650 --> 01:02:55.270 But you see. 01:02:55.270 --> 01:03:00.530 This is one of the reasons by the way this is i have a backup device right takes 01:03:00.530 --> 01:03:06.450 one of them i can do something on the other one right so there you go now he 01:03:06.450 --> 01:03:10.870 has his own phone but he's constantly stealing mine or my wife like matters. 01:03:10.870 --> 01:03:17.350 My my son also i'll find him he'll have my phone my wife's phone his phone his 01:03:17.350 --> 01:03:22.150 ipad the other i i mean he's got he'll sit there with five devices. 01:03:23.170 --> 01:03:27.090 Yes yeah anyway shall 01:03:27.090 --> 01:03:30.210 we take another uh breaky break thing 01:03:30.210 --> 01:03:33.270 thing so i will say where where 01:03:33.270 --> 01:03:36.470 did i put that where'd my window go hold on 01:03:36.470 --> 01:03:40.290 there we go i so the 01:03:40.290 --> 01:03:43.110 next thing is a wiki of the 01:03:43.110 --> 01:03:46.610 day and i will mention it 01:03:46.610 --> 01:03:54.110 is about let me make sure i'm i'm correct here it is a different border conflict 01:03:54.110 --> 01:04:01.490 so first of all the current popular wiki of the day is still a day old because 01:04:01.490 --> 01:04:04.930 and it was the 2025 India-Pakistan strikes. 01:04:06.130 --> 01:04:06.150 Okay. 01:04:06.490 --> 01:04:11.430 But there should be a new one on the new Pope by now. 01:04:11.810 --> 01:04:18.410 But in addition to my rule of Wiki of the Day can't repeat more than once every 01:04:18.410 --> 01:04:22.550 100 days, which of course is, you know, this is new Pope. 01:04:22.710 --> 01:04:29.610 They weren't in the last 100 days. I have another rule to avoid the situation where, 01:04:30.750 --> 01:04:34.790 there's, you know, defacement or graffiti on a Wikipedia page. 01:04:35.050 --> 01:04:42.050 I won't, if, if the Wikipedia page has been edited in less than the last half 01:04:42.050 --> 01:04:47.770 hour, then I wait until there's a half hour gap between edits. 01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:58.390 And since Pope Leo, the 14th was picked as what would be the popular wiki of the day for Friday. 01:04:59.110 --> 01:05:02.230 It was that it was, edited very, you know. 01:05:02.370 --> 01:05:09.330 Within the time. There has not yet been a moment where there has been a full 01:05:09.330 --> 01:05:12.990 half hour go by without edits to this page. 01:05:13.190 --> 01:05:19.450 Like at this very second, it has been two minutes since the last edit to that page. 01:05:19.670 --> 01:05:20.150 Ah. 01:05:20.310 --> 01:05:25.790 So that's not there. But no, this is a featured wiki of the day instead. 01:05:26.410 --> 01:05:32.850 And it is not India-Pakistan, but it is on the border conflict between Eritrea and Ethiopia. 01:05:34.290 --> 01:05:37.110 That's one that I'm sure J.D. Vance is really more worried about. 01:05:37.430 --> 01:05:40.390 Sorry, no, it's not featured wiki of the day. It's from random wiki of the day. 01:05:40.530 --> 01:05:43.930 Anyway, here you go. Enjoy and learn. 01:05:44.930 --> 01:05:48.110 Do, do, do. Hello, this is Long Form Danielle. 01:05:48.790 --> 01:05:52.430 I'm here to let you know about Sam the Curmudgeon's other podcasts, 01:05:52.690 --> 01:05:54.590 the Wiki of the Day podcasts. 01:05:55.010 --> 01:05:59.830 Wiki of the Day comes in three varieties, popular, random, and featured. 01:06:00.610 --> 01:06:05.710 Each highlights a new Wikipedia article each day, they just pick the articles differently. 01:06:05.990 --> 01:06:08.390 This week on Random Wiki of the Day, 01:06:08.710 --> 01:06:12.850 you would have heard this summary for Eritrean-Ethiopian border conflict. 01:06:13.210 --> 01:06:19.010 The Eritrean-Ethiopian border conflict was a violent standoff and a proxy conflict 01:06:19.010 --> 01:06:23.730 between Eritrea and Ethiopia lasting from 1998 to 2018. 01:06:23.730 --> 01:06:28.610 It consisted of a series of incidents along the then-disputed border, 01:06:29.090 --> 01:06:36.590 including the Eritrean-Ethiopian War of 1998-2000 and the subsequent second Afar insurgency. 01:06:37.510 --> 01:06:44.070 It included multiple clashes with numerous casualties, including the Battle of Girona in 2016. 01:06:44.870 --> 01:06:49.310 Ethiopia stated in 2018 that it would cede Baden to Eritrea. 01:06:49.310 --> 01:06:55.790 This led to the Eritrea-Ethiopia Summit on July 9, 2018, where an agreement 01:06:55.790 --> 01:07:00.850 was signed which demarcated the border and agreed a resumption of diplomatic relations. 01:07:01.820 --> 01:07:05.960 That's it. See? Fun, entertaining, and educational, right? 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.680 Okay, now look for and subscribe to the Wiki of the Day family of podcasts on 01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:17.940 your podcast playing software of choice, or just go to wikioftheday.com to check out our archives. 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.280 Now back to Curmudgeon's Corner. 01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:21.420 Okay. 01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:22.160 Do-do-do. 01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:22.820 Oh, oh. 01:07:23.240 --> 01:07:24.160 Do-do-do. 01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:27.660 I didn't wait for the do-do-do. My bad. Anyway. 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:28.860 You should know that! 01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:30.360 I should know that. 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.920 I know about the do-do-do. The do-do-do. The da-da-da. 01:07:36.240 --> 01:07:40.000 It's a song, and I can't remember the rest of the lyrics, but it's good. That's okay. 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:45.500 That's nice. So anyway, what shall I talk about? 01:07:46.120 --> 01:07:52.940 Look, we have immigration stuff going on with the arrest of the mayor in Newark. 01:07:52.940 --> 01:07:58.080 We've got the release of one of the grad students who are actually a couple 01:07:58.080 --> 01:08:02.860 of them have been released, of the grad students who were locked up by ICE. 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.500 We've got more legal stuff on that. 01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:10.340 And we've got Steve Miller. Is it Steve Miller? 01:08:10.700 --> 01:08:10.980 Yeah. 01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:17.500 Anyway, he's talking about how the administration is discussing suspending habeas 01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:21.800 corpus because courts keep telling them that they have to give people habeas 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.220 corpus rights, and they're like, screw that, we don't want to. 01:08:24.820 --> 01:08:28.280 They apparently haven't made that decision yet, but they're talking about it. 01:08:28.280 --> 01:08:34.220 All this stuff But I think what I'll go with Oh and we got the new Pope We got 01:08:34.220 --> 01:08:40.380 a new Pope American Pope The one thing I'll say about the American Pope Is the 01:08:40.380 --> 01:08:42.400 interviews with his brother are really fun, 01:08:42.990 --> 01:08:47.970 Like his brother's talking about him and like, he's like, you know, 01:08:48.150 --> 01:08:49.550 when's the last time you talked to him? 01:08:49.650 --> 01:08:54.510 Oh, I talked to him right before all this happened. And we, we played Wordle and words with friends. 01:08:55.190 --> 01:09:00.270 And, oh, by the way, he's a white socks fan, not a Cubs fan and blah, blah, blah. 01:09:00.950 --> 01:09:06.390 His, his brother's a character at one point, like some TV network was interviewing 01:09:06.390 --> 01:09:11.790 his brother and he got a phone call from the new Pope while he was talking. 01:09:11.790 --> 01:09:15.130 And it was like, oh, hey, good to talk to you. 01:09:15.230 --> 01:09:17.650 By the way, you're being recorded right now. 01:09:18.450 --> 01:09:22.390 So I guess they didn't have a full conversation. Anyway, it's kind of amusing. 01:09:22.690 --> 01:09:28.890 But no, I think I'll go with what I said last week I didn't want to talk about, 01:09:28.910 --> 01:09:33.410 which is an update on the whole trade and tariffs and all this kind of situation. 01:09:33.770 --> 01:09:38.170 And specifically what people have been talking a lot more about in the last 01:09:38.170 --> 01:09:46.410 week is the The reduction in the volume of shipping coming into American ports, that is, 01:09:46.530 --> 01:09:53.790 you know, the appropriate amount of delay after the tariffs were initially announced and how, like, 01:09:54.110 --> 01:09:58.950 this a few weeks from now is likely to lead to supply issues. 01:09:59.730 --> 01:10:02.050 Well, we had a surge. Okay. 01:10:02.150 --> 01:10:05.650 We had a surge of people trying to get ahead of it. 01:10:05.650 --> 01:10:10.310 In March, we had a record-breaking trade deficit. Okay. 01:10:10.910 --> 01:10:14.950 We had a record low trade deficit, right? 01:10:15.710 --> 01:10:17.290 No. No. 01:10:18.170 --> 01:10:20.830 In terms of like, oh, no, no, you're right. You're right. Sorry. 01:10:21.050 --> 01:10:25.110 I'm confused. We imported way, way more than usual. 01:10:25.290 --> 01:10:27.610 Way, way, way, way, way more than usual. 01:10:27.670 --> 01:10:29.810 Because everybody was trying to get ahead of the tariffs. 01:10:30.050 --> 01:10:30.350 Correct. 01:10:31.030 --> 01:10:31.570 And now. 01:10:31.630 --> 01:10:37.090 And look, I'll tell you some stories about crazy shit that I've seen with this kind of stuff. 01:10:37.170 --> 01:10:45.850 Okay. I remember 30 years ago, I had a friend of mine that had a factory that 01:10:45.850 --> 01:10:48.150 made certain latex products. 01:10:48.870 --> 01:10:54.310 And there was a certain category of latex products that was going to be all 01:10:54.310 --> 01:10:57.410 of a sudden banned from import. 01:10:57.790 --> 01:11:00.130 No, it wasn't. It was gloves. It was gloves. 01:11:00.130 --> 01:11:00.410 Okay. 01:11:01.090 --> 01:11:07.390 If I remember correctly, it was gloves. And so the thing is that in order to get ahead of that ban, 01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:14.090 The factories in Asia that made them, like, imported enough supply to last, 01:11:14.110 --> 01:11:15.670 like, two to three years. 01:11:16.130 --> 01:11:16.670 Okay. 01:11:16.830 --> 01:11:23.050 And what that meant was that anybody before that manufactured locally in the U.S. 01:11:23.250 --> 01:11:31.590 got crushed by this massive inventory of low-cost ones that were imported to 01:11:31.590 --> 01:11:33.370 beat the damn headlight. 01:11:33.510 --> 01:11:37.410 It was going to take years to work off that inventory. And so, 01:11:37.610 --> 01:11:41.930 therefore, if you were trying to make gloves in the U.S. 01:11:42.010 --> 01:11:47.150 and sell them, you basically were completely shit out of luck because there 01:11:47.150 --> 01:11:54.350 was such a massive supply of cheap ones that came in and gutted that. 01:11:54.570 --> 01:11:59.050 Now, they had a lot of advance warning that that was happening. 01:11:59.250 --> 01:12:02.630 So, therefore, they had enough time to build enough inventory for that. 01:12:02.790 --> 01:12:06.090 But it's one of the crazy supply disruptions that happens. 01:12:06.630 --> 01:12:10.550 Now, they didn't have that much time to go and, like, ship, like, 01:12:10.690 --> 01:12:12.710 years of maybe certain products, okay? 01:12:12.930 --> 01:12:17.070 But what many manufacturers did, including Apple, for example, 01:12:17.190 --> 01:12:22.130 and other large ones, is that they said, look, we're going to right now try 01:12:22.130 --> 01:12:27.330 to get as much product as we can for the short term in order to do it. 01:12:27.890 --> 01:12:31.950 To try to beat these tariffs. And so there was a surge in that. 01:12:32.070 --> 01:12:34.070 And so now comes the lull. 01:12:34.550 --> 01:12:36.970 And, you know, people are saying, ah, it's this bullshit or whatever. 01:12:37.210 --> 01:12:42.430 Well, the guy who heads the port of Los Angeles was on an interview on Bloomberg. 01:12:42.830 --> 01:12:49.430 He's been on TV a lot. I'm telling you, listen, there is a massive drop of ships coming in. 01:12:49.570 --> 01:12:54.030 Don't, listen, I'm telling you, I've been charging this fucking port and we 01:12:54.030 --> 01:12:55.310 don't have fucking ships coming. 01:12:55.310 --> 01:12:59.750 We don't have a lot of ships scheduled to come in right now. Okay? So. 01:12:59.990 --> 01:13:05.490 And I've heard this guy talking, too. Like, they have his dashboards and stuff 01:13:05.490 --> 01:13:08.570 include, like, who's leaving Asia. 01:13:08.830 --> 01:13:09.230 Asia. 01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:14.710 And so they have, basically, they know several weeks in advance based on the. 01:13:14.850 --> 01:13:16.170 30, 60 days. Depends on the. 01:13:16.390 --> 01:13:20.250 Yeah. Like, a month to two months. I think he actually said 45 days. 01:13:20.450 --> 01:13:22.430 They have a 45-day view that they usually look at. 01:13:22.430 --> 01:13:25.250 Well, that's actually, if I would have said 45 days ordered right. 01:13:25.310 --> 01:13:28.990 I said 60 days, exactly fucking 45 days. Okay, yes. 01:13:29.530 --> 01:13:33.230 Yeah, so he has a 45-day view that he's always looking at, and he's like, 01:13:33.290 --> 01:13:39.190 look, I knew right after the tariffs were announced that there was a drop because 01:13:39.190 --> 01:13:41.250 we started to see that drop right away. 01:13:41.370 --> 01:13:48.010 And, of course, it takes those 45 days for that to start showing on this side of the ocean. 01:13:48.230 --> 01:13:48.670 Right. 01:13:48.670 --> 01:13:55.050 And that's where we are now. And oh, by the way, even if everything was reversed 01:13:55.050 --> 01:14:01.010 tomorrow, that means you've got at least that long a delay, probably more before 01:14:01.010 --> 01:14:02.170 things start reversing. 01:14:02.250 --> 01:14:07.110 Look, this is the same shit as the supply shock, you know, the supply shocks 01:14:07.110 --> 01:14:09.030 and demand shocks that we had with a pandemic. 01:14:09.330 --> 01:14:11.710 It's the same fucking dynamic. Okay. 01:14:12.390 --> 01:14:17.670 It's exactly the same. And, you know, like I saw from certain, 01:14:18.050 --> 01:14:22.550 the ones specifically auto parts manufacturers, okay? 01:14:23.630 --> 01:14:28.630 I was seeing some, this is one guy that was talking about how the last shipment 01:14:28.630 --> 01:14:36.830 that he cleared customs, he had to pay such a huge amount of tariffs in order to clear it. 01:14:37.030 --> 01:14:41.510 And that basically he didn't have another order in place. and that at some point 01:14:41.510 --> 01:14:46.890 he was going to start running out of of these parts because we just can't afford 01:14:46.890 --> 01:14:51.030 to buy them right right now and so yeah, 01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:56.240 This is the supply shock that he's put in place. Fucking president moron. 01:14:56.320 --> 01:14:58.940 No, just, just say the other day, did you hear what he said? 01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:01.920 Well, I hear what he said, what the, well, yeah. 01:15:01.980 --> 01:15:03.120 Well, what I, what I. 01:15:03.300 --> 01:15:03.600 Sorry. 01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.260 Oh, this, this, this is exactly what I was going to say. 01:15:07.480 --> 01:15:12.100 Donald Trump was asked about like the fact that the ports are empty and all 01:15:12.100 --> 01:15:16.140 this kind of stuff. And is, is he worried about this? And he's like, 01:15:16.200 --> 01:15:21.440 look, no, because before we were losing trillions of dollars. 01:15:21.700 --> 01:15:26.500 Now we're not doing business. So we're not losing trillions of dollars anymore. 01:15:26.900 --> 01:15:34.180 This is good because, and here's the fundamental thing you have to remember with this is twofold. 01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:44.160 One, Donald Trump believes that paying for something is always a loss. Always. 01:15:44.860 --> 01:15:49.200 He doesn't pay his contractors. He doesn't pay his staff. 01:15:49.380 --> 01:15:55.940 None of this. He believes that if you pay somebody something, it's out and out a loss. 01:15:55.980 --> 01:15:59.600 You are losing money in that transaction, and that's all that matters. 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:04.160 He doesn't recognize that, oh, and you're getting value in exchange that you 01:16:04.160 --> 01:16:07.160 think is worth more than the money, which is why it's a good trade. 01:16:07.220 --> 01:16:08.680 He doesn't get that part. 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:12.940 All he gets is you're losing money because you bought something. 01:16:12.940 --> 01:16:18.180 And in this case, he believes the country is losing money because we're buying 01:16:18.180 --> 01:16:20.680 Chinese stuff and we're buying things from other countries. 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:28.220 And the whole strategy he has around tariffs starts to make more sense if you 01:16:28.220 --> 01:16:30.720 realize that fundamentally, 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:36.240 he thinks buying things from other countries is out and out bad. 01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:43.040 And a fundamental goal of his policy is that we should not be buying stuff from 01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:44.900 foreigners. Period. End of story. 01:16:45.400 --> 01:16:47.840 And anything that can make us buy less stuff is good. 01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:56.640 Look, the harsh reality of this stupidity is going to be presented itself to 01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:01.400 the American public in a not-too-distant future, 01:17:01.980 --> 01:17:05.780 okay, where we are going to be experiencing, once again, 01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:09.280 shortages, delays, things. 01:17:09.300 --> 01:17:09.940 Higher prices. 01:17:10.280 --> 01:17:16.380 Much higher prices. It is just utterly fucking moronic. 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:21.560 And by the way, they had, they said that they finally got one trade deal. 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:23.120 Not really. 01:17:23.820 --> 01:17:24.840 But not really. 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:31.800 But I heard both Trump and the UK Prime Minister, Starmer, Starmer, Starmer, Starmer. 01:17:32.220 --> 01:17:35.480 Both of them said this is wonderful and amazing and a great deal. 01:17:35.700 --> 01:17:39.200 So what are you talking about, Yvonne? Are you disparaging this amazing deal? 01:17:39.340 --> 01:17:45.140 Well, I'm disparaging the amazing deal, first of all, from the fact that this isn't even a deal. 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:46.000 Right. 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:50.920 This is an agreement to negotiate a deal, not even a real deal. 01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:53.920 Okay. Start off with that fact. 01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:58.680 And then even the things they agreed to negotiate aren't- Are terrible. Yeah. 01:18:00.140 --> 01:18:01.240 They're terrible. 01:18:01.860 --> 01:18:05.740 And one thing, by the way, that Donald Trump seems to have made clear over the 01:18:05.740 --> 01:18:12.980 last few days is the 10% global tariff on everybody is not negotiable. 01:18:12.980 --> 01:18:20.520 Like even if some of these reciprocal tariffs get reduced, probably not eliminated, 01:18:20.740 --> 01:18:27.540 but reduced, that 10% on everybody global worldwide, he's not budging on that. 01:18:28.530 --> 01:18:30.390 I mean, I, I, but. 01:18:30.710 --> 01:18:34.150 And for China, by the way, for China, by the way. 01:18:34.350 --> 01:18:40.330 China. Oh, oh, he's got us. Oh, he, he, he, he, he had a revelation, I guess. 01:18:40.530 --> 01:18:43.790 Well, no, the latest was that he, he's like, we may be able to, 01:18:43.950 --> 01:18:49.190 we feel like negotiating down from 140% or whatever the hell it is right now, 01:18:49.630 --> 01:18:51.870 down to 80 would be reasonable. 80 would be. 01:18:51.890 --> 01:18:54.730 That was a short relation. He said something along the lines of like, 01:18:55.030 --> 01:18:56.690 you know, I'm starting to like 80. 01:18:57.230 --> 01:18:58.110 Right. Right. 01:18:58.530 --> 01:19:01.410 Yeah, like 80%. What the fuck? 01:19:01.850 --> 01:19:13.390 Listen, this lunacy will not end until Congress goes and pulls the fucking authority from it. 01:19:13.510 --> 01:19:15.990 That is the only way this is ending. 01:19:16.310 --> 01:19:23.390 But Congress will not act until this is a complete shit show. 01:19:23.830 --> 01:19:29.190 That's the reality that you've got. They will not have sufficient pressure on 01:19:29.190 --> 01:19:38.310 top of them from people being pissed off until this shit show hits the American people. 01:19:38.790 --> 01:19:44.970 Well, and even then, I wonder. But there is a level of pain that will do that. There is a level. 01:19:45.230 --> 01:19:54.330 The American public has shown almost zero level of tolerance for economic pain. 01:19:54.470 --> 01:19:57.350 Well, yeah. Well, the thing, and we've talked about this before, 01:19:57.630 --> 01:20:05.190 is that I still feel that before Congress would get to the point where they 01:20:05.190 --> 01:20:07.030 would actually do something like that, 01:20:07.630 --> 01:20:11.230 Donald Trump himself will declare victory and back off on his own. 01:20:11.450 --> 01:20:17.370 Like, he would not want the embarrassment of having Congress actually slap him down. Republicans. 01:20:17.390 --> 01:20:21.290 Well, he'll have, yeah, but it'll have to get to the step of, 01:20:21.330 --> 01:20:25.190 like, them having to go and, like, go do the motions. in order of doing that. 01:20:25.510 --> 01:20:32.150 So, so, so he will somehow declare one of these fucking victories that he loves declaring, you know? 01:20:32.770 --> 01:20:37.730 But it might be that, that, that he does that at a point where that pressure is still private, 01:20:38.570 --> 01:20:43.230 but, but it has to be at the point where like, if he sees no way out, 01:20:43.350 --> 01:20:48.970 if he sees like they, you know, my own party is going to slap me down if I don't 01:20:48.970 --> 01:20:52.850 do something that's, he will back off before they actually have to do it. 01:20:53.540 --> 01:20:58.960 But he will back off in a face-saving way. He will not say he's backing off. 01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:00.420 He will declare victory. 01:21:00.420 --> 01:21:01.720 No, no, he'll declare victory. 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.920 Well, just like this UK thing, and I'm sorry, I sort of tangent, 01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:10.380 I took you on a tangent, but you were talking about how the UK thing was really 01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:13.600 nothing, and maybe you can talk more about why it's nothing. 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:18.280 But nevertheless, this is a case where Donald Trump is declaring it the greatest 01:21:18.280 --> 01:21:21.540 thing ever, and they've reduced tariffs a certain amount, and blah, 01:21:21.620 --> 01:21:24.700 blah, blah. ah, this is his M.O. 01:21:25.320 --> 01:21:32.400 Like, create the crisis, then have nominal concessions that don't really matter 01:21:32.400 --> 01:21:36.520 that much and declare it as the hugest victory in the world and then back off 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:37.740 from the crisis you created. 01:21:38.120 --> 01:21:42.360 The reason I said it's just not a victory, I mean, they're still applying tariffs 01:21:42.360 --> 01:21:45.440 on vehicles, they're still applying tariffs on products, they really, 01:21:45.660 --> 01:21:49.820 you know, the U.K., which had almost the lowest level of tariffs on our fucking 01:21:49.820 --> 01:21:51.920 products, they're still getting hammered with the U.S. 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:56.480 By the way, I believe the UK was one of the countries that we actually had a surplus with. 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:03.640 Yes, probably. I'm sure it was. And so they were getting completely fucked. Okay. 01:22:04.040 --> 01:22:12.500 And the reality is that they went and it isn't really a deal anyway. All they did was agree. 01:22:13.180 --> 01:22:16.200 They laid out. It's, you know, I call this. 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:21.720 We do these memorandums of understanding, you know, which is just. 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:27.640 Oh, OK, so we agree to do these things and we agree to negotiate and arrive 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:29.300 at a contract at a later time. 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:34.060 But as I've been told many times in my in sales, if I arrive with a fucking 01:22:34.060 --> 01:22:41.580 listen, I don't even try to write an MOU anymore because I cannot book a sale 01:22:41.580 --> 01:22:44.480 with a fucking memo memorandum of understanding. 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:49.320 That's just, you know, that's just a fucking sales boilerplate bullshit. 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:52.220 And that's what we got today. It's not a deal. 01:22:52.920 --> 01:23:00.580 It's just a document that says, okay, we kind of agree that we're going to negotiate 01:23:00.580 --> 01:23:02.880 on these things under these parameters. 01:23:03.460 --> 01:23:04.020 Right. 01:23:04.220 --> 01:23:07.760 And then we're going to negotiate a deal. But it's a shitty deal. 01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:13.580 I mean, listen, Keir Starmer has been under pressure because his administration 01:23:13.580 --> 01:23:17.400 has not been very effective at doing anything. Just like every recent... 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.320 british administration regardless of party at this point i guess and so he was 01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:26.880 under pressure to like try to provide some kind of victory and i think he wanted 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:33.260 to declare a victory even though honestly they got fucked well. 01:23:33.260 --> 01:23:34.860 The other the other thing that people. 01:23:34.860 --> 01:23:41.600 Well or let me extract any but let me let me change that they didn't extract anything from this well. 01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:45.720 Let me let me say this because this this is another part of the how you look 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:50.140 at it and starmer actually said something along these lines because at his press 01:23:50.140 --> 01:23:55.040 conference, the British press was pushing him on this because, you know, 01:23:56.260 --> 01:24:02.080 yes, potentially the terms are better than they were a couple days ago. 01:24:02.860 --> 01:24:02.880 Right. 01:24:03.180 --> 01:24:08.120 But they weren't good. They're still much worse than they were pre-Trump, right? 01:24:08.260 --> 01:24:08.440 Right. 01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:14.340 So it's like, you know, on a scale of zero to a hundred of how bad it was, 01:24:14.460 --> 01:24:15.980 let's say we start at zero. 01:24:16.280 --> 01:24:21.160 Trump took you to a hundred. You managed to negotiate back down to 80 or something. 01:24:21.380 --> 01:24:21.820 Yeah. 01:24:21.980 --> 01:24:26.100 You know, so yes, it's better than it was a few seconds ago, 01:24:26.100 --> 01:24:30.200 but it's still horrible and it's still worse than it was a few months ago. 01:24:30.660 --> 01:24:36.140 And I'm not sure you can get to better than you started as long as Trump is around. 01:24:36.160 --> 01:24:40.440 And as long as his ultimate objective is we don't want to import stuff. 01:24:40.900 --> 01:24:45.260 I mean, fundamentally, that's his ultimate objective. We don't want to import stuff. 01:24:45.380 --> 01:24:49.200 Although apparently he was like, Rolls Royces are okay. We can import. 01:24:49.340 --> 01:24:52.820 Oh yeah. The rollers are good. Yes. That that's, you know, Hey, 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:54.600 we need, yeah, we, we want those. 01:24:55.520 --> 01:25:01.520 I'm like, Oh, the fuck. You know, my bank seems to think, speaking of British 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:07.240 cars that I'm, I, I, I definitely, I, I am like a lot, you know, well, 01:25:08.360 --> 01:25:13.180 Quite a lot wealthier than I see myself as because it gave me this thing where 01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:15.160 I'm in my my Chase Bank account. 01:25:15.340 --> 01:25:18.920 It says, hey, you know, are you interested in a McLaren? 01:25:19.480 --> 01:25:23.340 You know, a McLaren is, you know, ridiculously expensive. Like, 01:25:23.400 --> 01:25:27.380 you know, we've got these programs to help you buy. 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:32.000 Oh, my God. I'm like, what the fuck? What are you studying? You fucking, 01:25:32.260 --> 01:25:35.240 you know, McLaren? Really? 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:40.460 The hell? You know, I'm like. So, yeah, but I guess now with Trump's tariff 01:25:40.460 --> 01:25:44.320 deal, I can get a better deal now, Sam, than I could a week ago, 01:25:44.320 --> 01:25:48.600 but not better than the one that I could get while I was under bite. Right? 01:25:49.100 --> 01:25:49.580 Yes. 01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:52.680 Okay, that sounds awful. 01:25:52.980 --> 01:26:00.900 Yeah, so I keep hearing different things about how far away before we really 01:26:00.900 --> 01:26:02.740 feel the pain of all this stuff. 01:26:03.220 --> 01:26:05.060 Here, hold on. 01:26:06.020 --> 01:26:09.300 I was just going to say, it seems like for over a month now, 01:26:09.460 --> 01:26:12.560 people have been saying a couple more weeks, and then you'll really feel it. 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:18.700 Where are we really on this at this point before there are obvious effects that 01:26:18.700 --> 01:26:22.020 average person shopping would notice? 01:26:22.220 --> 01:26:24.260 I mean, I know some prices have already gone up. 01:26:25.020 --> 01:26:28.520 I mean, it's going to be about 90 days really before this is. 01:26:28.660 --> 01:26:31.880 It's going to be like summer. Listen, we're going to get hammered. 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:39.380 Another 90 days, yeah. Because I literally keep hearing people say like with 01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:43.320 before the end of May, we'll start seeing empty shelves and higher prices. 01:26:44.550 --> 01:26:47.970 I think you'll start seeing some. But what I'm going to say is that the brunt 01:26:47.970 --> 01:26:52.330 of the effect is going to be really hit in late June, July. Like, right for the summer. 01:26:52.650 --> 01:26:55.750 Which is going to be great. Everybody's going to have a fantastic summer. 01:26:56.770 --> 01:26:59.690 Like, Ford already announced that car prices are good. They're going to have 01:26:59.690 --> 01:27:03.130 to, you know... They at first said, hey, we're cutting prices, 01:27:03.230 --> 01:27:05.770 blah, blah, blah. And I think they were trying to do that to agree with Trump. 01:27:06.090 --> 01:27:09.410 They realized it didn't work. And so now they already quietly announced, 01:27:09.590 --> 01:27:12.330 we have to raise prices on July 1st. 01:27:13.550 --> 01:27:16.350 already so it's that kind of stuff 01:27:16.350 --> 01:27:19.290 that's going on like right now and so more of 01:27:19.290 --> 01:27:23.810 that will be percolating like right now as it goes on i think we'll have the 01:27:23.810 --> 01:27:28.350 full because of you know you talked about the transit time for ships and how 01:27:28.350 --> 01:27:32.870 long and how long does inventory stay you know that you can sell and most people 01:27:32.870 --> 01:27:37.370 will sell the inventory that they got based on the previous cost not on a new price. 01:27:37.610 --> 01:27:41.890 For the most part, not necessarily that, because some people will raise prices 01:27:41.890 --> 01:27:47.370 based on what the last inventory they got, even if they haven't sold out the last stock. Okay? 01:27:47.790 --> 01:27:53.230 But because of how they front-loaded some of the stuff, they're working off 01:27:53.230 --> 01:27:57.290 of that inventory and how ships have stopped coming, and the lead time that 01:27:57.290 --> 01:28:00.130 you've got, the 45 days, it really should be summer. 01:28:00.510 --> 01:28:04.770 It's really like, you know, when summer starts, you know, June, 01:28:04.910 --> 01:28:11.610 July around there is when you're really going to start seeing the full really shitstorm starting to. 01:28:11.850 --> 01:28:18.450 What area, like for the average consumer, what area will they notice it in first? 01:28:19.070 --> 01:28:22.870 It's going to be, man, the cars are going to be the most visible one. 01:28:23.210 --> 01:28:27.510 Okay. How about for things that people buy like every month? 01:28:28.310 --> 01:28:32.610 Like a car is a rare purchase, right? Like, but there's certain staples that 01:28:32.610 --> 01:28:35.690 people buy all the time. what's going to hit there? 01:28:36.090 --> 01:28:40.850 Auto repair, car services, anything that has to do with like fixing your car, 01:28:41.190 --> 01:28:43.250 for example, any of those. 01:28:43.610 --> 01:28:49.070 Look, you go to any, listen, how about clothes? 01:28:49.690 --> 01:28:54.190 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Clothes or electronics or those kinds of things. 01:28:54.190 --> 01:28:56.750 Electronics. Small appliances. 01:28:57.710 --> 01:28:57.890 Okay. 01:28:58.090 --> 01:29:02.790 You know, all of this shit, okay, is getting, is getting hit, 01:29:03.470 --> 01:29:05.750 you know, you're going to go shopping for just about anything. 01:29:06.780 --> 01:29:09.580 You're going to start seeing the impacts of this. 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:16.160 So, I mean, because the bottom line is, I mean, the whole thing that Trump says 01:29:16.160 --> 01:29:20.920 he's trying to address is that manufacturing largely moved out of the U.S. 01:29:21.120 --> 01:29:23.140 for lots of these things. 01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:27.220 And so basically, yeah, like, I mean, people have said like, 01:29:27.320 --> 01:29:31.980 like Walmart's whole business model was about getting cheap, cheap shit from China. 01:29:32.320 --> 01:29:34.180 Right. So are you going to. 01:29:34.440 --> 01:29:37.680 Cheap shit, period. and from wherever, but it wound up being a lot, mostly from China. 01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:41.840 So are you going to walk into a Walmart and the whole damn place is going to 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.780 be empty and or prices double what they used to be? 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:51.700 I mean, yeah. In many cases. Yeah. You're looking at toys. 01:29:52.260 --> 01:29:54.640 Think about all the categories that the Chinese dominate. 01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:56.240 Oh, Yvonne, Yvonne. 01:29:56.420 --> 01:29:56.900 Toys. 01:29:57.380 --> 01:30:02.700 Toys. You know, Trump has explained to us that we only need two dolls, not 30. 01:30:03.360 --> 01:30:11.400 Ah, well, let's. any electronic any electric or electronic products okay I mean 01:30:11.400 --> 01:30:16.140 think about it I mean the vast majority of them are all made in China and the 01:30:16.140 --> 01:30:18.080 electric component even if they're not, 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:25.160 final assembled in China their components are so many of them from China anyway it's just and. 01:30:25.160 --> 01:30:28.300 Even the ones that are from other countries it's not like these other countries 01:30:28.300 --> 01:30:30.000 are getting off scot-free it's just the. 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.620 Increase of less yeah where. 01:30:32.620 --> 01:30:37.600 Do they make Lego? Is it actually made in Denmark? Probably somewhere in Asia, right? 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:42.540 Oh, God. Beats me. I don't know, but I'm going to guess it probably is made 01:30:42.540 --> 01:30:45.100 somewhere that they're getting nailed with a big-ass tariff. 01:30:45.280 --> 01:30:45.440 Yeah. 01:30:46.180 --> 01:30:51.900 Okay, I'm checking. Where are they made? Where are Lego bricks made? 01:30:55.020 --> 01:31:01.360 Molding is done in Denmark, Hungary, Monterey, Mexico, and China. 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:02.640 Okay, there you go. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:04.680 Buy. 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:06.060 Your buy your Legos now. 01:31:06.060 --> 01:31:12.060 Yeah but I just you know it's, 01:31:15.320 --> 01:31:19.820 I'm going to give the sarcasm that the economists wrote about wrote about the 01:31:19.820 --> 01:31:25.380 tariff negotiations after they finished with you know with the message next 01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:31.060 up America's great rival negotiators travel to Switzerland this weekend for 01:31:31.060 --> 01:31:32.420 talks with their Chinese counterparts, 01:31:32.900 --> 01:31:35.100 You know, so I'm just, you know, 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:41.860 if, let me put it in, if Britain's vaunted special relationship managed to secure 01:31:41.860 --> 01:31:46.920 only the slimmest of concessions, Communist Party Congress should not get their hopes up. 01:31:48.940 --> 01:31:54.000 I mean, they basically got, you know, like right now they've got, they got nothing. 01:31:55.190 --> 01:31:56.850 So lovely. 01:31:57.810 --> 01:32:03.990 So, yeah. So if you're planning on that, so is it good advice that if you're 01:32:03.990 --> 01:32:08.470 planning on thinking about buying something significant over the summer that 01:32:08.470 --> 01:32:10.090 you might want to consider doing it early? 01:32:10.390 --> 01:32:12.250 Well, that's why I bought those tires. 01:32:12.710 --> 01:32:13.130 Yeah, I know. 01:32:13.210 --> 01:32:16.950 Told you. I went, I'm like, I didn't want to wait, you know, 01:32:17.430 --> 01:32:24.610 on the, because of that, I was, I mean, those for sure were going to get hit with, with, with that. 01:32:25.190 --> 01:32:30.950 I do think that definitely, if you've got something significant that you really 01:32:30.950 --> 01:32:36.670 need that is due to be purchased, you need it like now, don't wait. 01:32:37.170 --> 01:32:39.470 Just don't wait. 01:32:39.790 --> 01:32:40.390 Right. 01:32:40.590 --> 01:32:42.690 You need to pull the trigger as soon as you can. 01:32:43.270 --> 01:32:50.550 But Yvonne, buying anything, spending money is bad. It's just a loss. You shouldn't do that. 01:32:50.790 --> 01:32:52.830 So you just don't buy stuff, right? 01:32:52.850 --> 01:32:53.710 Just don't buy stuff. 01:32:53.710 --> 01:32:55.710 You just steal it. 01:32:56.050 --> 01:32:57.330 Well, that's what Donald does. 01:32:57.470 --> 01:32:58.870 Well, that's what Donald does, I know. 01:32:59.210 --> 01:33:05.670 He gets people to give it to him and then sometimes by promising to pay them. But, you know. 01:33:05.930 --> 01:33:10.990 He does promise to pay and just doesn't actually pay. 01:33:11.490 --> 01:33:17.670 I'm actually checking to see if the price on my tires already went up by any chance. 01:33:18.330 --> 01:33:24.470 Let's see. Let's see, because I know that... Let me see. let's see if this is 01:33:24.470 --> 01:33:28.790 the case alright filter filter filter alright let's see, 01:33:30.970 --> 01:33:42.490 uh shit yes a little bit but I don't think it's got the full weight of it but yes it's already up okay, 01:33:43.620 --> 01:33:44.180 There you go. 01:33:44.900 --> 01:33:49.440 There you go. Okay. With that, shall we wrap things up? 01:33:50.360 --> 01:33:55.720 I guess. Let's, uh, we don't got anything else we didn't mention. 01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.980 We're a little shorter than we usually are, so if there's something else that's 01:33:58.980 --> 01:34:00.720 really hot on your mind, let's do it. 01:34:01.180 --> 01:34:03.640 Well, no. We'll wrap it up. 01:34:04.220 --> 01:34:07.860 We got Newark Mayor. We got Habeas Corpus. We got Stagflation. 01:34:08.160 --> 01:34:11.600 We got— Well, they did release the Newark Major, you know, finally. 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.740 I saw that after like five hours. 01:34:14.200 --> 01:34:14.340 Yeah. 01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:17.600 I don't know, man. I still said the one thing that I said about the New York 01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:20.580 mayor thing, they arrested him and then they released these assholes just for 01:34:20.580 --> 01:34:21.520 intimidation purposes. 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.360 I said that if I were, listen, if I'm New York mayor and the sheriff reports 01:34:25.360 --> 01:34:30.180 to me, I'm showing up at that fucking place with an entire battalion of sheriffs 01:34:30.180 --> 01:34:33.960 and I'm fucking arrest, starting to arrest the fuck out. 01:34:34.060 --> 01:34:36.580 I would, I'd show up with the entire battalion. 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:41.880 I'm like, oh, we're all arresting all of it. Listen, every employee I see, 01:34:42.040 --> 01:34:44.000 you, you're under arrest. Oh, why? 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:49.480 False imprisonment. Charge all these people. Charge them all. Fuck it. 01:34:50.060 --> 01:34:53.620 Drag everyone, drag every single one to fucking court. Drag them, 01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:56.660 you know, shackle them, drag them all. 01:34:57.080 --> 01:35:01.220 Okay? They want to fuck like this. If it were me, that's what I would start doing. 01:35:01.580 --> 01:35:05.920 Because that's the only way to get these people to, oh, you think this is a joke? 01:35:06.320 --> 01:35:08.920 We'll start dragging your asses to jail. Okay? 01:35:10.160 --> 01:35:11.880 Yeah i don't know that need. 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:13.700 To start with that attitude you know. 01:35:13.700 --> 01:35:17.500 I mean i said this some very people need to. 01:35:17.500 --> 01:35:20.420 Start with that attitude to fuck this shit okay. 01:35:20.420 --> 01:35:24.520 Well some very like if we actually had like 01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:29.840 i mean this is sort of first shots fired like a the feds arresting a local official 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:34.940 and they harass some congress people too if you start getting local people arresting 01:35:34.940 --> 01:35:41.240 feds you're going to have like some crazy stuff working out in the courts as that works through. 01:35:41.400 --> 01:35:45.440 But yeah, but yeah, I mean, like, like you said, it's sort of like the, 01:35:46.450 --> 01:35:51.330 That's the kind of thing people want to see. Like, we want to see you fighting. 01:35:51.550 --> 01:35:56.730 And yes, that means doing unorthodox stuff that's going to cause conflict, 01:35:56.730 --> 01:36:01.810 that's going to cause issues in the courts. You may win, you may lose, who knows. 01:36:01.970 --> 01:36:09.070 But they want to see you pushing to the limits, not just politely saying, 01:36:09.310 --> 01:36:10.570 oh, this is unacceptable. 01:36:11.090 --> 01:36:17.170 Exactly. Right. By the way, the mayor of Newark was actually pushing that to a certain extent. 01:36:17.290 --> 01:36:19.670 He was saying that they didn't have a certificate of occupancy. 01:36:19.830 --> 01:36:23.110 He was trying to, were there to tell them that they need to shut down the place. 01:36:23.190 --> 01:36:25.730 So that was part of the whole reason why he was there. 01:36:25.830 --> 01:36:28.930 And what I'm saying is, hey, if that's the whole reason, escalate. 01:36:28.970 --> 01:36:29.690 Then shut them down. 01:36:29.970 --> 01:36:35.450 Then shut them down. Drag them, arrest them, shut them down, shut the place down. 01:36:35.810 --> 01:36:40.350 Fucking like, you know, it said this place is unlawful. It cannot be occupied. 01:36:40.790 --> 01:36:43.910 Throw them all the fuck out. And by the way, the people that are that did the 01:36:43.910 --> 01:36:45.270 false imprisonment arrest them all. 01:36:45.750 --> 01:36:51.570 Well, and here's the key, like, though, like, I'm all for the exact aggressive tactics. 01:36:51.890 --> 01:36:56.590 Like, go up to the limit of everything you can possibly legally justify. 01:36:57.110 --> 01:36:59.190 But don't do what they're doing 01:36:59.190 --> 01:37:03.210 in terms of do things that are blatantly illegal and wait to be stopped. 01:37:03.570 --> 01:37:08.290 Exactly. No, you go like you find what you know, you look at how you know, 01:37:08.370 --> 01:37:11.850 how much can I push the law on this right now? let's push it all the way. 01:37:11.850 --> 01:37:17.250 Right so and then let the court stop you but like exactly go up to that line 01:37:17.250 --> 01:37:22.470 don't go up don't go blatantly over exactly you know right yeah like like i 01:37:22.470 --> 01:37:27.450 wouldn't suggest that the newark police just come in guns a-blazing and shoot all the ice agents. 01:37:28.450 --> 01:37:33.910 That would be, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not advocating for that, but. 01:37:33.970 --> 01:37:35.670 Well, I said, I would not recommend that. 01:37:35.950 --> 01:37:39.190 But, but arresting them for false imprisonment, I would go over there right 01:37:39.190 --> 01:37:45.250 now, fucking, you know, because they have no legal right whatsoever to have arrested the mayor. 01:37:45.650 --> 01:37:48.790 Okay. As far as I can tell, none. I would go over there right now. 01:37:49.110 --> 01:37:52.370 I'm charged, hey, charge them all with false imprisonment, arrest them the fuck 01:37:52.370 --> 01:37:54.030 all. Drag them out to jail. 01:37:54.230 --> 01:37:57.290 Well, honestly, I thought you were going further with that and say the false 01:37:57.290 --> 01:37:59.290 imprisonment was the immigrants they were rounding up. 01:37:59.570 --> 01:38:03.850 Well, I'll take that too. Yes. Add that too. Absolutely. 01:38:04.290 --> 01:38:09.570 You know, now in some cases they may have legal authority to do so, but it seems clear. 01:38:10.590 --> 01:38:13.270 But it seems clear that lots of the cases they don't. 01:38:13.650 --> 01:38:15.250 Right. So. 01:38:15.470 --> 01:38:16.650 Sorry, at least a few. 01:38:16.710 --> 01:38:19.590 That's the kind of shit. That's the kind of shit that they need to start doing. 01:38:19.730 --> 01:38:22.490 Fuck this. You know, you can't be timid with these people. 01:38:22.730 --> 01:38:26.170 You got to start punching them in the mouth. You know, it's just, you know. 01:38:27.050 --> 01:38:27.650 There we go. 01:38:27.970 --> 01:38:29.050 All right so. 01:38:29.050 --> 01:38:32.590 Okay let's wrap it up curmudgeons-corner.com because 01:38:32.590 --> 01:38:35.850 nobody bought us the three thousand dollar curmudgeonscorner.com without 01:38:35.850 --> 01:38:40.510 life i know anyway curmudgeons-corner.com 01:38:40.510 --> 01:38:45.230 you can find our archives you can find transcripts you can find all the ways 01:38:45.230 --> 01:38:49.450 to contact us you can find links to our youtube i still haven't added one to 01:38:49.450 --> 01:38:53.610 tiktok i'm still behind on posting tiktok whatever whatever they're not getting 01:38:53.610 --> 01:38:56.670 a lot of views lately so i'm not super motivated so i'm you know. 01:38:56.890 --> 01:38:59.650 Behind, you know, doesn't like us. 01:38:59.970 --> 01:39:06.250 Yeah. I mean, looking real quick, like of the three videos that I posted from 01:39:06.250 --> 01:39:10.130 last week's, the one with the most views got 14 views. 01:39:11.300 --> 01:39:14.920 You know, whereas like a couple months ago, they were getting hundreds. 01:39:15.440 --> 01:39:20.800 And so I don't know if TikTok changed their algorithm or their algorithm just decided that we suck. 01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:24.060 Either way, the question is, you know, how are we? 01:39:24.140 --> 01:39:25.500 We've been shadow banned, Sam. 01:39:25.740 --> 01:39:27.980 We've been shadow banned. Oh, my God. 01:39:28.160 --> 01:39:29.200 We've been shadow banned. 01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:35.760 You're right. It is because we're anti-Trump. They're going after us. They are censoring us. 01:39:35.940 --> 01:39:36.900 They're censoring us. 01:39:37.040 --> 01:39:38.900 They're censoring us. That's it. 01:39:39.460 --> 01:39:39.580 Yes. 01:39:40.100 --> 01:39:43.520 Yeah. 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We will send you a mug, et cetera. 01:39:54.480 --> 01:39:59.340 I sent Ed his mug, but I still have not sent the cards to Yvonne to then send 01:39:59.340 --> 01:40:01.800 to Pete and Greg maybe this weekend. 01:40:02.100 --> 01:40:04.000 I have filled out the cards though. 01:40:04.060 --> 01:40:06.520 Maybe next time you adjust the air conditioner, you're on my part. 01:40:07.300 --> 01:40:14.940 Exactly yeah exactly next time i do stuff i don't know anyway in addition at 01:40:14.940 --> 01:40:18.720 two dollars a month or more or if you just ask us we'll invite you to the curmudgeon's 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:22.880 corner slack where yvonne and i and a bunch of listeners are chatting and sharing 01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:27.180 links and all that kind of stuff what do you got for us this week yvonne from the slack oh. 01:40:27.180 --> 01:40:35.880 This is a great story i i got boy accidentally ordered 70,000 lollipops on Amazon. Okay, panic ensues. 01:40:36.440 --> 01:40:41.360 Oliva Favre said he was eventually refunded to $4,200 for her eight-year-old 01:40:41.360 --> 01:40:43.380 son's order of Dum Dum's candy. 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:48.280 And the picture of the merchandise being delivered is just absolutely hilarious. 01:40:48.580 --> 01:40:49.480 This is on the New York Times. 01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:55.140 Just all these boxes at the entrance of their house, box after box of fucking 01:40:55.140 --> 01:40:58.960 lollipops just stacked outside their house in Kentucky. It's fantastic. 01:40:58.960 --> 01:40:59.780 I was like, this is great. 01:41:02.020 --> 01:41:06.740 Mom, my suckers are here. Said our son Liam would go outside to ride his scooter. 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:12.800 I panicked. And then she was hysterical. She was like, what the hell? 01:41:13.360 --> 01:41:18.700 You know, you ordered a few. I was mentioning that my wife the other day, I will admit that. 01:41:19.420 --> 01:41:23.920 She went and she saw, I asked her to order me some shaving cream and there was 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:30.240 some offer on the brand that I use Barbasol that was like quite cheap. Okay. 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:34.300 It's like $6. It said like, I don't know how many can't, you know, 01:41:34.420 --> 01:41:37.580 some number or whatever. And I'm like, okay, $6. It seems good. 01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:41.980 Listen, I think my son right now, I don't know what the deal was, 01:41:42.120 --> 01:41:47.760 why those were so cheap, but it's very likely that in my will, 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.400 I will have to leave myself. 01:41:49.420 --> 01:41:54.240 son, Barbasol, okay, given the amount that we received. 01:41:54.360 --> 01:42:00.000 I think I have to give away some of this or something because it's just crazy. 01:42:00.300 --> 01:42:03.840 So that was the one. The other one that I had that I love sharing was, 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:09.220 so I was sharing this back in, I guess this was the bin, this was in the 90s. 01:42:09.300 --> 01:42:11.820 Yeah, Windows Me, right, was in the 90s. 01:42:12.040 --> 01:42:19.340 Okay. There was a picture of a case of an eMachines computer that had to stick 01:42:19.340 --> 01:42:21.120 that I always loved that I thought was so stupid. 01:42:21.260 --> 01:42:26.720 This computer is never obsolete, Sam. Sam, never. 01:42:27.480 --> 01:42:27.720 Never. 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:31.240 The eMachine's computer will never be obsolete. 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.600 Now, I will note, if you look carefully on the sticker on that, 01:42:35.080 --> 01:42:39.800 the piece that makes it that is that they were having an offer that you could 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:43.520 upgrade the machine annually for like $99 a year. 01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:47.800 And that's probably what they meant for that. But I 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:57.400 am fairly sure that at some point that offer expired and you would not have 01:42:57.400 --> 01:43:02.800 successfully upgraded all the way from then to now at $99 a year and actually 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:04.060 have a modern computer today. 01:43:04.180 --> 01:43:07.560 Sam, it's never obsolete. What are you talking about? 01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:10.500 Is a computer, is that company, I mean, they're out of business, 01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:14.420 right? I was acquired by Gateway in 2004. 01:43:14.420 --> 01:43:18.720 Well, and Gateway is going strong right now to this day, as we know, right? 01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:24.100 I mean, they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, they're really good. 01:43:24.530 --> 01:43:25.590 They weren't really killing it. 01:43:25.850 --> 01:43:27.990 Okay, what happened to Gateway next? 01:43:28.270 --> 01:43:31.130 I think it got bought by Acer. I think I'm looking at it here. 01:43:31.630 --> 01:43:34.690 Purchased by Acer. Yeah, Acer in 2007, yes. 01:43:35.070 --> 01:43:40.330 For basically less money than Apple sells in one day. $700 million. 01:43:40.910 --> 01:43:47.270 But they still maintain the brand? I'm going to gatewayusa.com and you can still buy. 01:43:47.350 --> 01:43:50.570 Yeah, Acer was still making some stuff. 01:43:50.790 --> 01:43:53.170 A couple laptops, an Android tablet. 01:43:53.170 --> 01:43:56.510 It never obsolete sam never i 01:43:56.510 --> 01:43:59.990 mean you know it's like fast reliable 01:43:59.990 --> 01:44:03.030 internet access powered by mci uu net 01:44:03.030 --> 01:44:11.390 of course the world's richest internet content provided by netscape surf email 01:44:11.390 --> 01:44:21.750 invest shop chat travel and more this thing had an intel celeron processor with 32 megabytes of, 01:44:22.270 --> 01:44:25.650 ram and a 10 gigabyte 01:44:25.650 --> 01:44:28.510 hard drive and a 40 times speed 01:44:28.510 --> 01:44:31.250 cd-rom because that was you know that you don't remember how 01:44:31.250 --> 01:44:34.370 that multiplier on the speed of the cd-rom was always like 01:44:34.370 --> 01:44:39.910 so oh it's 40 times 80 times 80 times what yeah i know it's standard speed of 01:44:39.910 --> 01:44:43.830 the original cd whatever yes yes okay i know i get that but you know it's like 01:44:43.830 --> 01:44:50.050 3d graph agp graphics sam we tell you i mean listen this thing. 01:44:50.410 --> 01:44:52.150 State of the art. Let me tell you. 01:44:53.050 --> 01:44:53.830 Never obsolete. 01:44:54.250 --> 01:44:54.890 Never obsolete. 01:44:55.750 --> 01:44:56.630 Are we done? 01:44:57.010 --> 01:44:57.490 We're done. 01:44:58.050 --> 01:45:00.050 You should get one of those machines. 01:45:02.190 --> 01:45:05.270 Try to find like a fully working one to see, you know. 01:45:06.410 --> 01:45:09.910 Next week's podcast will record. You will use that machine. 01:45:10.610 --> 01:45:15.090 On Netscape, you know, what the hell, version 3.0 or something, whatever. 01:45:15.350 --> 01:45:15.590 Something. 01:45:17.370 --> 01:45:24.050 Windows Me. As far as I remember, that was not remembered as a great operating system. 01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:26.760 I believe your memory is correct. 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:28.060 Yeah. 01:45:28.440 --> 01:45:31.900 It was one of the ones that was regarded as a mistake, right? 01:45:32.380 --> 01:45:33.400 Basically, yes. 01:45:33.880 --> 01:45:37.640 Like where people were warning, don't upgrade to this. 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:42.200 No. Stick with what's older or wait for the next one. This sucks. 01:45:42.680 --> 01:45:42.960 Yeah. 01:45:44.660 --> 01:45:46.440 Wasn't Windows 98 or something? Didn't that one have like Bob. 01:45:46.620 --> 01:45:49.800 Which was the one that had like Bob or the assistant? 01:45:50.440 --> 01:45:52.420 I thought Bob was its own thing. 01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:56.160 Bob was its own thing? We've got the assistant. We've got Clippy. 01:45:56.380 --> 01:45:59.180 We've got Bob. I actually like Clippy. 01:45:59.500 --> 01:46:04.700 Well, now everything's Clippy, right? Basically. They're sticking Clippy in everything. Yeah. 01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:07.520 Basically, that's what chat GPT is, right? 01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:08.660 Basically, yeah, I know. 01:46:08.780 --> 01:46:11.560 It's basically Clippy. So, anyway. 01:46:12.020 --> 01:46:13.340 Anyway. All right, we're done. 01:46:13.500 --> 01:46:17.180 We're done. Thank you, everybody. Have a great week. Stay safe. 01:46:17.420 --> 01:46:21.240 Have fun. Blah, blah, blah. All of the things I say. 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:24.400 thanks to the one person who's watching us live right now. 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:25.660 It's not me. 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:30.860 It's not you. They just started like 15 minutes ago, 13 minutes ago. We appreciate you. 01:46:31.200 --> 01:46:35.020 The actual podcast will be out later this weekend. 01:46:37.240 --> 01:46:38.600 Goodbye. Here's the music. 01:46:39.160 --> 01:46:39.400 Music. 01:47:08.360 --> 01:47:14.280 The one person who was watching us live stopped watching right after I mentioned it. And I started that. 01:47:14.440 --> 01:47:16.600 You, you, you, you, I mean, you intimidate. 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:23.420 I chased them away. Yeah. is like I see you I see you're watching and they're like ah I. 01:47:23.420 --> 01:47:26.900 See well what do you mean you're like oh shit. 01:47:26.900 --> 01:47:29.440 Okay hitting stop bye Yvonne bye.