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<v Ivan>Hello?

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<v Sam>Hello?

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<v Ivan>Oh, fuck.

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<v Sam>You got echo.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I got echo. Ah, fuck. What the bloody hell?

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<v Sam>It's not on your headphones?

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<v Ivan>No, but I was just on the headphones.

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<v Ivan>What the fuck is wrong with you, you piece of sh— It says AirPods connected.

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<v Ivan>What the—what is this thing doing?

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<v Ivan>Speaker.

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<v Ivan>No. Is that like an op? No.

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<v Ivan>Okay, let me try this again.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Leave. Okay, hello? Okay, now I hear you on my headphones, but okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. And I'm all good?

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Shall we just start then? Okay, here goes.

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<v Sam>Transcription by CastingWords Hello.

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<v Sam>I should do the intro. Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner.

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<v Ivan>Oh, the intro. Yes, that helps.

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<v Sam>Yes, the intro. My dog's getting excited too.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, May 3rd, 2025.

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<v Sam>It's just before 1930 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Minter,

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<v Sam>and Yvonne Bow is here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hi.

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<v Sam>So, yeah, I can hear you. Your picture is frozen, but, you know, whatever.

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<v Ivan>You know, I see that. I don't know. okay well and especially i love the the

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<v Ivan>the the way that it froze it's a fantastic look for me it is this what the fuck

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<v Ivan>i'm gonna take a screenshot of that.

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<v Sam>Before that disappears.

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<v Ivan>Exactly which is like you know the right i i totally believe that that is the

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<v Ivan>right face to be having for everything every day just be.

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<v Sam>Your thumbnail forever.

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<v Ivan>Yes like you can change You can add all.

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<v Sam>Your social media to that right now.

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<v Ivan>Exactly. And that's like an accurate take on how I feel on a regular basis right now.

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<v Sam>For those listening who cannot see, Ivan, he's got his lips sort of pursed. He's scowling.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>He looks sort of a mix between anger and confusion.

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<v Ivan>Yes, that's exactly right. And that's like standard every day now for a lot of people.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah, perfect.

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<v Ivan>Because every time you look at your phone, you get an alert and you're like, what the, what?

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<v Sam>I hear the next Pope is going to be Donald Trump.

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<v Ivan>Yes, I saw that. Yes, he wants to be the Pope.

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<v Sam>Anyway, so the agenda as usual is we're going to do but first,

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<v Sam>lighter, non-newsy stuff first.

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<v Sam>And I don't know what Yvonne has planned, but I'm going to do a movie.

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<v Sam>And then we'll do a couple segments of, you know, things that have actually been in the news lately.

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<v Sam>Or, you know, whatever comes to mind. Like, I'm actually looking at,

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<v Sam>like, yo, I've got a few things that aren't newsy that I might bring up. I don't know.

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<v Sam>I won't make the decision until the last instant. We'll see. We'll see.

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<v Sam>But, so, Yvonne, you want to start us out with something non-newsy?

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<v Ivan>I don't know. What the fuck is going on? Let's see. I, I, I,

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<v Ivan>I'm just, Jesus. What day is today?

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<v Sam>Today is Saturday.

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<v Ivan>May, uh.

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<v Sam>May 8th. or no no may 3rd may 3rd i got confused for a second because you know

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<v Sam>a three is like an eight with the left hand side erased and so it's easy to

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<v Sam>confuse those especially.

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<v Ivan>At this age i guess you can't really see very well.

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<v Sam>Yeah exactly i just it's all trying to.

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<v Ivan>Figure out what the hell you know happened this week i i mean in terms of you know i i.

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<v Sam>Stuff.

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<v Ivan>It's been the blur.

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<v Sam>You can just pick a regular topic.

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<v Ivan>No, but I think that it's been a blur, but it's a blur of.

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<v Ivan>I'm talking to people that are at around this age.

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<v Ivan>You've got jobs, you've got a child, you've got, you know, every day seems to

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<v Ivan>be packed with something happening

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<v Ivan>right after the other, right after the other, right after the other.

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<v Ivan>It's like there is no, no, no, no break, you know, right.

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<v Ivan>Anymore. It used to be, you know, we're not married and you don't have kids, you know, whatever.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I still remember, you know, talking to there's a whole bunch of like

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<v Ivan>much younger people that I work with. Right.

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<v Ivan>And it's like, you know, I remember like back then, I don't know, I worked so many hours.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, we go out, I would, I would go out regularly during the weekdays

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<v Ivan>and somebody the other day went and like told me how they wanted to have some

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<v Ivan>kind of like a work meeting. And they said, well, can we talk about this Sunday?

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<v Ivan>I said, I hear you fucking mind. I, I, I, there is, listen, unless,

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<v Ivan>you know, there is an apocalypse of some kind. Okay.

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<v Ivan>I am not getting on a fucking call to discuss something work related on Sunday.

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<v Ivan>I hear you. There is just no effing way.

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<v Ivan>I was reading the other day about some of these people working at this junior

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<v Ivan>bankers at this investment bank.

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<v Ivan>They were working 120 hours a week at this place.

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<v Sam>That's nuts.

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<v Ivan>Some guy I came in as a whole bunch of them were at work at four in the morning, mind you.

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<v Ivan>OK, I'm guessing there's an investment bank, probably some trading,

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<v Ivan>trading in Europe opened at that time or something, you know,

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<v Ivan>which makes them, you know, it's one of those things where you're trading investments

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<v Ivan>in Europe is open at that hour.

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<v Ivan>You're probably have to be somebody's got to be looking at what the fuck is going on.

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<v Ivan>And the guys were a bunch of them were talking about how burnt out they were

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<v Ivan>and stuff or whatever. And some executive came in at four in the morning and

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<v Ivan>told him, you know what? We're not pulling our weight.

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<v Ivan>We're not working hard enough here.

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<v Ivan>He's giving this speech at four in the fucking morning.

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<v Ivan>You know, like, what the hell? I'm sorry. You're telling these guys that are

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<v Ivan>in the office at four in the fucking morning that they're not working hard enough?

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<v Ivan>What the fuck is wrong with you?

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>So, you know, you know, this is one of my job does not demand anything of a sort.

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<v Ivan>And actually, the one thing that the people that wanted to have discussion,

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<v Ivan>it wasn't actually related to my my job job itself. It was related to something

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<v Ivan>that happened at the condo association.

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<v Ivan>OK. All right. Which is kind of like a job. OK. When I had it.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, the people from the property management or whatever,

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<v Ivan>they wanted to discuss it. They said, hey, what do we meet on Sunday?

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, that's all right, out of your fucking minds. I'm not meeting on a fucking Sunday.

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<v Ivan>My job, you know, the only times that we've had something like come up on a

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<v Ivan>weekend is, you know, I mean, we have systems that we manage 24 by 7.

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<v Ivan>OK, so, hey, you know, somebody, you know, something went down hard.

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<v Ivan>You know, something I mean, we've got a customer in a crisis.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, that that would, you know, that wouldn't fail. And I get that.

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<v Ivan>That's something that's not planned, unexpected. And you've got a customer that's

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<v Ivan>on fire. And yeah, you got to do something. OK.

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<v Ivan>But other than that, I mean, you know, you know, it's just, you know, that's what I said.

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<v Ivan>You know, something's got to be apocalyptic.

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<v Ivan>You know, something really bad has had to happen.

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<v Ivan>And a lot of the systems that we service are critical, you know,

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<v Ivan>to customers, you know, I mean, like one of them is like, you know,

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<v Ivan>for a public utility for electricity, you know, so it does the service calls and stuff like that.

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<v Ivan>So, you know, or a telephone company where our systems also do the service calls

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<v Ivan>or something or whatever.

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<v Ivan>So if that goes down, you know, you can see how that would impact,

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<v Ivan>you know, a lot of people at the same time as something that is of critical

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<v Ivan>need, you know. So, yeah, I get that. But other than that, I mean, I don't know.

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<v Ivan>You know, this whole thing where we've gone from...

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<v Ivan>We went from whatever the work-life balance that was before the pandemic,

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<v Ivan>which I think was, you know, for most people, it wasn't bad.

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<v Ivan>I think that our, well, I'm going to take that back.

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<v Ivan>I think companies were, my experience had been working at about three different

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<v Ivan>companies that most employers were pretty reasonable about that. Okay?

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<v Sam>Although this is the kind of thing that varies a lot from place to place, company to company.

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<v Ivan>Right. No, no, no. I get that. But at the three different companies I spent,

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<v Ivan>like before then, it had been pretty reasonable.

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<v Ivan>Okay. All right. You know, what do you get to happen and so forth?

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<v Ivan>You know, there were no hard and fast rules.

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<v Ivan>Like, you know, I had employees that most of the time were tasked to an office,

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<v Ivan>but they said, hey, you know, I got something going on the next couple of days.

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<v Ivan>Can I work from home? It's like, sure.

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<v Ivan>No problem. It's not like me telling somebody to work from home is violating

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<v Ivan>some corporate edip of some kind.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>You know, you know, and now to where all of a sudden you've got executives and

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<v Ivan>chief executives mandating, you know, how many days and what,

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<v Ivan>you know, exactly when they need to be in the office and micromanaging this in a level.

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<v Sam>Yeah, and I think part of this is that for the people who got to work at home

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<v Sam>over the pandemic, and obviously this does not apply to all jobs.

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<v Sam>If you're in a factory making something, you could never work from home.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>But for the people who did get to work from home, pandemic time was a realization

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<v Sam>of the amount of freedom you could have.

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<v Sam>So even going back to sort of where things were before would have still been a constraint,

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<v Sam>but because management is really wanting to control it and really force the issue,

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<v Sam>they're putting all these additional constraints which make it seem more like

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<v Sam>kindergarten than it was before.

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<v Sam>Yeah like yeah even even when they say the right things like like even when

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<v Sam>they say look look if you if you have a dentist appointment and you have to

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<v Sam>work from home no problem just tell us like fine but like,

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<v Sam>All of those things were very informal pre-pandemic.

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<v Sam>And now it's like, oh, yeah, you have to be sure to tell us.

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<v Sam>You have to put something on your calendar to block off the time.

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<v Sam>You have to do this. You have to do that.

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<v Sam>And even if it is fairly informal, even if it's still just, oh,

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<v Sam>tell your boss, it now feels like you're being watched at every moment.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that for a lot of people. I will say that for me,

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<v Ivan>you know, and I think that I'm reading that I'm talking about from other people, not not me.

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<v Sam>You in your role, you're you and your company, you're still at home when you're not traveling.

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<v Ivan>Right, right, right. I think that the one thing that did change is that my my

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<v Ivan>kind of like I guess that my kind of like office time really was travel time.

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<v Ivan>That's really what it boils down to in the essence.

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<v Ivan>And the reality is that it's made me have to go back to traveling a lot.

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<v Ivan>But at the same time, that was still a lot more flexible than most work arrangements

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<v Ivan>that anybody else had in the first place.

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<v Ivan>I mean, it's not the same thing. I mean, the one thing is, you know,

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<v Ivan>you've got customers that are in the office and they're expecting you to come

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<v Ivan>to visit them instead of doing a Zoom.

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<v Ivan>And so, you know, that's that's, you know, that's fine. I mean, it is what it is.

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<v Ivan>OK, so but I guess the thing is, it's just reading that.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, oh, and I'm like, you know, how the hell some guy go.

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<v Ivan>It's just the extreme insane of you've got people that literally are working

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<v Ivan>120 hours a week and you're bitching that they need to double down. I'm just like,

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<v Ivan>You know, and honestly.

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<v Sam>The thing is, and you know, I know people are pushing for get more and more

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<v Sam>done with less and less resources, but with technology and automation and everything

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<v Sam>else, we should actually be going to other direction.

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<v Sam>The humans that are working should be doing less.

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<v Sam>You know? Yeah.

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<v Sam>Things should be a little bit more relaxed. You look at these curves they do

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<v Sam>of per capita productivity comparing decade over decade,

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<v Sam>and each individual is getting so much more done than they did a few decades ago.

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<v Sam>Come on, let them some slack. Let's work at 1950s levels again, okay?

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<v Ivan>Well, think about farmers, for example, right?

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<v Ivan>I mean, they talk about small pounds and whatnot. I mentioned this before in

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<v Ivan>the podcast. You see how the productivity per acre is so much higher than it's ever been.

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<v Ivan>And, you know, how farmers now have all these automated tools to help do farming.

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<v Ivan>You know, they don't need, you know, they don't need like people like out there,

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<v Ivan>like picking the fields.

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<v Ivan>They've got these damn combines that are robotic, that are GPS,

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<v Ivan>you know, that could be driven by GPS.

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<v Ivan>That they can pinpoint where the hell they have to be on

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<v Ivan>the on the damn field and like you know that

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<v Ivan>the systems and like they they pull and they automate they measure and they

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<v Ivan>do all of this all this stuff it's amazing shit and i'm like you know but what

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<v Ivan>that means is you definitely don't need as many people to do like i mean one

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<v Ivan>person can do so much more than they used to be able to and right and of.

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<v Sam>Course what everybody what the tech industry right now is gambling on is that

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<v Sam>as ai continues to advance the same thing will be true of knowledge workers very soon.

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<v Ivan>I mean i i and i think that that's you

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<v Ivan>know like i was talking the other day and i and

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<v Ivan>i and i saw a couple of other people like uh in the news talk about in the news

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<v Ivan>talk about this and i i had thought this myself that a lot of the things that

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<v Ivan>ai does is enable a lot of us to do work faster not necessarily remove the work.

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<v Ivan>Not, I mean, not at least in this current iteration. And a lot of times,

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<v Ivan>you know, what technology that we've done,

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Well, and again, and again, the gamble is that you can't judge it based on what

00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:10.980
<v Sam>it's doing now because it's moving so fast in another year, two years, three years.

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<v Ivan>But still, I mean, it's like, you know, I still remember like,

00:15:15.760 --> 00:15:19.940
<v Ivan>you know, come on 30, 40, 50, look, 50, 60 years ago. Okay.

00:15:20.340 --> 00:15:24.980
<v Ivan>If you were doing, say, for example, one that is was so people intense that

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<v Ivan>I remember reservations, travel reservations, airline.

00:15:28.660 --> 00:15:28.780
<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Dude. You know, if you ran a big airline. And you were trying to do reservations

00:15:33.780 --> 00:15:35.260
<v Ivan>back then, which was on paper.

00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:42.680
<v Ivan>The amount of manual labor required, okay, to be able to track all of these

00:15:42.680 --> 00:15:45.420
<v Ivan>things, okay, and to do so.

00:15:45.540 --> 00:15:48.980
<v Ivan>And how, when they first came up with the first computers, ah,

00:15:49.160 --> 00:15:53.680
<v Ivan>we won't have any employees doing this, blah, blah, blah, you know,

00:15:53.760 --> 00:15:55.400
<v Ivan>we'll remove the humans from this.

00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.880
<v Ivan>And that was the fear. It was like, oh, my God, who's going to work and whatnot?

00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.540
<v Ivan>And, well, yes, we didn't remove a whole bunch of people that were doing a whole

00:16:03.540 --> 00:16:08.100
<v Ivan>bunch of manual shuffling and paper and stuff and whatnot.

00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:12.920
<v Ivan>But in the end, you know, they were put into a whole bunch of other things that

00:16:12.920 --> 00:16:15.100
<v Ivan>actually people figure out.

00:16:15.520 --> 00:16:19.640
<v Ivan>We want to figure out, oh, we're really not doing all this other stuff,

00:16:19.660 --> 00:16:23.540
<v Ivan>you know, because we didn't have time because all of this stuff took.

00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:28.160
<v Ivan>It was so manual that it didn't let you do any of this other stuff.

00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:31.600
<v Ivan>Um you know it's just

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<v Ivan>we even today with all the tools

00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:37.520
<v Ivan>that we have all the computer whatever there are

00:16:37.520 --> 00:16:40.800
<v Ivan>so many things that i do like for my job

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<v Ivan>or for my previous jobs that are so manual even with

00:16:43.680 --> 00:16:46.440
<v Ivan>all the computing that we have that i know that

00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.400
<v Ivan>there's a lot of things that probably would be able to drive

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<v Ivan>more sales that that would do

00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.500
<v Ivan>that but look it's estimated that a lot of salespeople spend

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<v Ivan>70 and 80 percent of their time actually doing

00:16:58.460 --> 00:17:01.540
<v Ivan>admin work not really selling

00:17:01.540 --> 00:17:04.420
<v Ivan>okay that's just the fact i

00:17:04.420 --> 00:17:09.080
<v Ivan>mean imagine if you take people and you you know and that in a lot of instances

00:17:09.080 --> 00:17:13.700
<v Ivan>we cover so few of the accounts that are assigned that if you actually were

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<v Ivan>able to reduce that admin time down where things could be done a lot a lot easier

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<v Ivan>it would actually allow people to be able to do far more in terms of the actual selling.

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<v Sam>Well, and I think that is true for many jobs, if not most jobs.

00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:30.960
<v Ivan>Most jobs are like that.

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<v Sam>There's like so much that's overhead. And if you look at what portion of the

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<v Sam>workday is actually spent doing something that,

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<v Sam>isn't just documenting or tracking or writing a report or whatever,

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<v Sam>but is actually pushing the ball forward.

00:17:51.730 --> 00:17:52.190
<v Ivan>Right.

00:17:52.430 --> 00:17:53.770
<v Sam>It's a small percentage.

00:17:54.250 --> 00:17:54.770
<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>For like lots of jobs, not all jobs. There are some jobs that are structured

00:17:59.690 --> 00:18:02.370
<v Sam>that, you know, 90% of your work actually is productive.

00:18:02.730 --> 00:18:07.610
<v Sam>But, and I use the word productive. Look, I just want to say this.

00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:11.350
<v Sam>I use the word productive lightly here because some people actually,

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<v Sam>consider sort of those things like status reports to actually be very valuable

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<v Sam>in communication so people know what's going on etc etc but that's the kind

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<v Sam>of thing that is ripe for automation.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to tell you something that one of the things that happens with so

00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:32.610
<v Ivan>many status reports of my life is like so many people no one reads them well

00:18:32.610 --> 00:18:36.490
<v Ivan>no it's not that it's you know maybe people won't read them the problem is that

00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:40.130
<v Ivan>you know it's turning that actionable one of the It's like, I mean,

00:18:40.470 --> 00:18:43.830
<v Ivan>you know, I still remember that there's this one guy, there's a story when I

00:18:43.830 --> 00:18:48.290
<v Ivan>joined HP, a long time ago, talking to me about this guy that had been in charge,

00:18:48.430 --> 00:18:50.570
<v Ivan>I believe, of service levels.

00:18:50.830 --> 00:18:55.570
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. And he had all these metrics. He was like the master guru of

00:18:55.570 --> 00:19:00.790
<v Ivan>measuring, you know, the service levels and how, you know, how long to take

00:19:00.790 --> 00:19:03.370
<v Ivan>a call, how long to repair. He had all these stats.

00:19:03.690 --> 00:19:06.290
<v Ivan>Okay. But he was in charge of delivery, not just of measuring.

00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:07.830
<v Ivan>The problem was that they were all ready.

00:19:08.530 --> 00:19:12.590
<v Ivan>All of them. and the question was like yeah great so you can measure every yeah

00:19:12.590 --> 00:19:16.590
<v Ivan>so you're an expert you're better than everybody else at measuring all this

00:19:16.590 --> 00:19:21.290
<v Ivan>shit and all you're saying is you know really well you know really really well.

00:19:21.290 --> 00:19:22.790
<v Sam>How screwed you are.

00:19:22.790 --> 00:19:28.390
<v Ivan>Right but but you you have you either you don't have the time or don't know

00:19:28.390 --> 00:19:33.210
<v Ivan>how to take any action on any of that shit that you mentioned that's wrong So yeah,

00:19:33.670 --> 00:19:43.010
<v Ivan>you know, that's just, I think that every technology always imparts a high level of fear.

00:19:43.780 --> 00:19:49.940
<v Ivan>In people and what their job will be, okay? You know, and it has had impact

00:19:49.940 --> 00:19:53.100
<v Ivan>on jobs, okay? We've seen this, you know, before.

00:19:53.340 --> 00:19:58.360
<v Ivan>But I do think that the problem is always how to deal with a dislocation and

00:19:58.360 --> 00:19:59.480
<v Ivan>how to deal with a change.

00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.280
<v Ivan>Because, okay, great, so now people are not doing this, so what are we going

00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:06.540
<v Ivan>to do? Or what are we going to do with, you know, with the money?

00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.400
<v Ivan>You know, sometimes you go, hey, you're making more money, but you don't need as many,

00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.180
<v Ivan>you know, the economy is bigger, but sometimes, hey there's

00:20:14.180 --> 00:20:17.400
<v Ivan>certain labor you don't need so how do you help people but i don't

00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.180
<v Ivan>know it gets into another day but anyway my whole point was like

00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:25.620
<v Ivan>man you know people are out there yeah my point is you know it goes back to

00:20:25.620 --> 00:20:29.940
<v Ivan>what kind of an asshole goes and bitches to fucking people that are working

00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:34.560
<v Ivan>120 hours a week that you've got to work harder that really takes a special

00:20:34.560 --> 00:20:39.620
<v Ivan>level of asshole And I think that we are in an era of high-level assholing.

00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:46.540
<v Sam>Yeah, I think so. And we've said, you mentioned earlier, the pendulum has swung.

00:20:46.780 --> 00:20:47.000
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:50.280
<v Sam>Well, the pendulum always eventually swings the other way.

00:20:50.560 --> 00:20:53.920
<v Ivan>Yeah, at some point. It's just a matter of time. I saw a bunch of air traffic

00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:59.000
<v Ivan>controllers that walked out in New York or something, forcing United to cancel

00:20:59.000 --> 00:20:59.900
<v Ivan>a whole bunch of flights.

00:20:59.900 --> 00:21:04.140
<v Ivan>You know that's the kind of like pushback against a whole bunch of this shit

00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:06.740
<v Ivan>that that keeps happening in different places so.

00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:09.600
<v Sam>Well and and sometimes it's just a matter of

00:21:09.600 --> 00:21:13.600
<v Sam>time and the economics go

00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:16.640
<v Sam>through a couple cycles or whatever or people

00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:24.800
<v Sam>adapt to the technology but like right now we are in an era where lots of companies

00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:32.140
<v Sam>feel free to push really really hard on their employees because they know the

00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:34.480
<v Sam>employees don't have a lot of other options.

00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:40.070
<v Sam>Eventually, things will turn, and there will be lots and lots of options.

00:21:44.230 --> 00:21:49.270
<v Sam>And then people will be competing for those employees again and trying to offer

00:21:49.270 --> 00:21:53.370
<v Sam>all kinds of perks and benefits and work-life balance and, you know,

00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:56.070
<v Sam>whatever in order to get those people who are good.

00:21:56.290 --> 00:21:59.370
<v Sam>And letting them work from home again. You know, all of this other stuff.

00:21:59.450 --> 00:22:03.590
<v Ivan>And it's eras. I mean, it's eras. Look, I still remember how I worked an entire

00:22:03.590 --> 00:22:11.190
<v Ivan>era where I joined HP when it was really a company that – I mean,

00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:12.590
<v Ivan>my work career is born in the South.

00:22:12.690 --> 00:22:16.510
<v Ivan>And it was – it had a reputation for being one of the – if not the best,

00:22:16.550 --> 00:22:18.310
<v Ivan>one of the best places to work in the world.

00:22:18.950 --> 00:22:24.510
<v Ivan>And my later life has shown that that wasn't hyperbole, okay? All right?

00:22:24.810 --> 00:22:29.470
<v Ivan>Because it really, truly was that. and from everybody that I work with who is

00:22:29.470 --> 00:22:34.630
<v Ivan>now in other places, we all talk about, holy shit, I mean, were we you know, we, you know,

00:22:34.910 --> 00:22:38.670
<v Ivan>where we worked and how the company treated us and everything,

00:22:38.850 --> 00:22:43.730
<v Ivan>it's just I'm like, I don't think I appreciate it, but we said we didn't even

00:22:43.730 --> 00:22:46.750
<v Ivan>appreciate it enough how good the.

00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:51.710
<v Ivan>Treatment of people was at HP and their respect for employee and all of that

00:22:51.710 --> 00:22:55.530
<v Ivan>stuff, and I lived through that transformation into complete assholery,

00:22:55.970 --> 00:23:00.490
<v Ivan>you know, because it went from that into, you know, having Mark Hurd, who's dead,

00:23:00.830 --> 00:23:03.590
<v Ivan>okay, you know, and I'm not really shedding a tear for that asshole,

00:23:03.870 --> 00:23:07.410
<v Ivan>okay, who goes, and like, I still remember, like, every fucking time was,

00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:10.870
<v Ivan>hey, what the fuck do we take away from employees, you know,

00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:14.310
<v Ivan>every, I mean, it was like, every fucking announcement, every six months,

00:23:14.430 --> 00:23:17.810
<v Ivan>as he announced that our profits were ever higher and higher and higher,

00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:21.690
<v Ivan>it was just like, hey, what do we take away from people, what can we take away,

00:23:22.090 --> 00:23:25.850
<v Ivan>you know, what's the next thing i'm like you know i'm like motherfucker you

00:23:25.850 --> 00:23:29.010
<v Ivan>keep saying we're making more and more money and all you you know you're making

00:23:29.010 --> 00:23:34.010
<v Ivan>more and more money and everything you're doing is trying to figure out how to fuck us over more yeah.

00:23:34.010 --> 00:23:37.650
<v Sam>You know and and mentioned this these things come in cycles but part of the

00:23:37.650 --> 00:23:40.270
<v Sam>problem is the cycles are long you know.

00:23:40.270 --> 00:23:41.850
<v Ivan>Yeah it's.

00:23:41.850 --> 00:23:45.170
<v Sam>Not like oh next year it'll be better it might be better in five or.

00:23:45.170 --> 00:23:50.190
<v Ivan>Ten five years yeah i mean they are long you know they are along but but you

00:23:50.190 --> 00:23:53.970
<v Ivan>know but but that's that's where we are and so you know we are in the era of

00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:56.550
<v Ivan>assholery in general yes.

00:23:56.550 --> 00:23:59.690
<v Sam>It is not limited to employer employee relationships.

00:23:59.690 --> 00:24:03.750
<v Ivan>No you know if you just.

00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:08.350
<v Sam>Look at uh you know the current administration that just is.

00:24:08.350 --> 00:24:13.230
<v Ivan>Exemplar of everything about just even in general daily life you know yeah well.

00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:19.690
<v Sam>It all flows from the top down like because if you demonstrate that a certain

00:24:19.690 --> 00:24:25.310
<v Sam>type of behavior is acceptable, then more people will engage in that behavior.

00:24:25.530 --> 00:24:28.910
<v Sam>Like if there are prominent people,

00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:34.400
<v Sam>who not only are assholes, but seem to get ahead by being assholes.

00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:35.280
<v Ivan>Yes, yes.

00:24:35.620 --> 00:24:38.980
<v Sam>Then more people will strive to be assholes themselves.

00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:43.780
<v Ivan>Yes! I strive to be an asshole! I want that on a shirt.

00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:48.660
<v Ivan>You know, let's put that on some t-shirts. You know, they probably sell very well right now.

00:24:48.860 --> 00:24:56.500
<v Sam>I bet you there is already a t-shirt that says that. yeah i'm gonna strive to

00:24:56.500 --> 00:25:00.920
<v Sam>be an asshole t-shirt you.

00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Ivan>Know kids growing up right.

00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.860
<v Sam>Now oh yeah what do you want to be where you want to grow up i want to

00:25:04.860 --> 00:25:09.980
<v Sam>be an asshole it's my dream let's see i've got i'm not always an asshole just

00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:16.760
<v Sam>kidding go fuck yourself um stop asking why i'm an asshole i don't ask why you're

00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:22.540
<v Sam>stupid let's see i never dreamed i'd grow up to be an asshole but here i I am killing it.

00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:30.680
<v Sam>I'm the nicest asshole you will ever meet. There are more, but Alex is throwing

00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.680
<v Sam>things at me for saying asshole too much.

00:25:33.140 --> 00:25:35.300
<v Sam>Oh, so I'm going to stop.

00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:36.160
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Sam>So your, your precise one isn't out there yet.

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:49.220
<v Sam>No, you could go set it up on like one of the sites that lets you set up random t-shirts.

00:25:49.460 --> 00:25:53.020
<v Ivan>Oh, wait, don't we have like a commercial merch site we could be you know don't

00:25:53.020 --> 00:25:55.500
<v Ivan>we have like you know we could set that up as an option we.

00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:59.980
<v Sam>We at the moment it's not set up as a merch site that people can just go buy.

00:25:59.980 --> 00:26:03.600
<v Ivan>It's just set up as a place where i can order stuff and you know we should set

00:26:03.600 --> 00:26:07.560
<v Ivan>up you know because there are all these really cheap like ways to set up like

00:26:07.560 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Ivan>a merch site you can just set up like and it's all you know right.

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:18.380
<v Sam>Now right now for the stuff i use zazzle And actually, Ed has received his new mug.

00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Ivan>Yes! All right!

00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.620
<v Sam>I saw the delivery confirmation notice come in recently.

00:26:25.020 --> 00:26:30.900
<v Sam>And it's an I hate curmudgeon's corner mug, not a regular curmudgeon's corner mug.

00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:36.520
<v Sam>But Alex did insist on changing, on adding one line somewhere.

00:26:37.310 --> 00:26:41.910
<v Sam>Uh, I think he said, he said it had, it had to say it was a specimen.

00:26:42.370 --> 00:26:46.350
<v Sam>So I think I have a note on it that says, you know, Alex says specimen or something.

00:26:47.310 --> 00:26:49.450
<v Sam>So it's different than the one we made for him.

00:26:49.570 --> 00:26:52.590
<v Ivan>So like, oh, so like when you get those fake bills, you know,

00:26:52.670 --> 00:26:54.930
<v Ivan>like whatever, that's a sample. It says this is a specimen.

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:57.190
<v Sam>Yeah, except it doesn't like a specimen.

00:26:57.490 --> 00:26:58.570
<v Ivan>Like a urine is specimen.

00:26:58.790 --> 00:27:02.550
<v Sam>No, no, no. But it, so, but it doesn't have like the word all over everything.

00:27:02.550 --> 00:27:04.250
<v Sam>I just have it in like a corner.

00:27:04.310 --> 00:27:07.690
<v Ivan>No, no, no. But usually there are certain events that you see that it's like

00:27:07.690 --> 00:27:10.630
<v Ivan>a small little thing somewhere that it says, this is a specimen.

00:27:10.830 --> 00:27:12.430
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So there you go.

00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:15.050
<v Sam>Yeah, but anyway, the point was I set all that up with Zazzle,

00:27:15.210 --> 00:27:20.270
<v Sam>but Zazzle's like shop view is actually kind of sucky.

00:27:20.490 --> 00:27:24.890
<v Sam>Like it wasn't, I haven't looked in years, so maybe they've improved it.

00:27:24.990 --> 00:27:28.630
<v Sam>But like you could set it up so anybody could buy the thing you created.

00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:33.090
<v Sam>But it was hard to make it a controlled experience. like, hey,

00:27:33.290 --> 00:27:37.010
<v Sam>you're in the curmudgeons corner shop and here's all the curmudgeons corner

00:27:37.010 --> 00:27:42.470
<v Sam>stuff and I've constrained it in a certain way so you can only buy the things

00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:43.710
<v Sam>we want you to buy, you know?

00:27:43.790 --> 00:27:44.530
<v Ivan>Okay, okay.

00:27:45.110 --> 00:27:49.050
<v Sam>But there are other companies that do that too. So yeah, we could look up into

00:27:49.050 --> 00:27:51.230
<v Sam>it again. I'm sure the demand would be astronomical.

00:27:52.550 --> 00:27:56.710
<v Sam>But maybe not for the regular curmudgeons corner merch, but for the curmudgeons

00:27:56.710 --> 00:27:59.510
<v Sam>corner, I strive to be an asshole shirt.

00:28:00.370 --> 00:28:02.650
<v Ivan>There you go. Talk about it. Talk about it.

00:28:02.650 --> 00:28:07.190
<v Sam>We could take the image of you from this podcast, have a giant version of your

00:28:07.190 --> 00:28:13.410
<v Sam>face on one side with a caption of the, I strive to be an asshole, right under.

00:28:14.270 --> 00:28:15.730
<v Ivan>That sounds actually great.

00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:19.190
<v Ivan>That sounds like a fucking great idea.

00:28:20.070 --> 00:28:25.310
<v Sam>Alex keeps throwing things at me, so I'm going to stop saying that word for now.

00:28:26.010 --> 00:28:28.350
<v Sam>Okay, are we ready for my movie?

00:28:28.730 --> 00:28:29.870
<v Ivan>Yes, we're ready for your movie.

00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:36.370
<v Sam>Ready for the movie. So, I had mentioned before we've been going through the Ghostbusters series.

00:28:36.610 --> 00:28:40.230
<v Sam>The next one that I've watched, and actually the last one I've watched,

00:28:40.310 --> 00:28:45.330
<v Sam>watched it back in August, is Ghostbusters Afterlife from 2021.

00:28:45.330 --> 00:28:48.530
<v Sam>There's one more movie after this but i haven't seen the last one.

00:28:48.530 --> 00:28:52.410
<v Ivan>Once again i you know i have no idea.

00:28:52.410 --> 00:28:55.390
<v Sam>Yeah and and see last time we talked about

00:28:55.390 --> 00:28:58.150
<v Sam>like one of the ghostbusters franchise we talked

00:28:58.150 --> 00:29:03.330
<v Sam>about the one with the women i mentioned you know it was worthwhile it is people

00:29:03.330 --> 00:29:06.730
<v Sam>criticized the one with the women but most of the criticism was just because

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:12.330
<v Sam>they were women and it did like it wasn't a great movie it was an okay movie

00:29:12.330 --> 00:29:16.150
<v Sam>but people made it out like it was a horrible movie and it was not a hard movie.

00:29:16.470 --> 00:29:20.170
<v Sam>It was just people being sexist assholes. Oh, oops, I said it again.

00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:28.730
<v Sam>Oops. Yes. And I suddenly started getting the Britney Spears song going through

00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:31.150
<v Sam>my head, even though it wasn't said it.

00:29:32.070 --> 00:29:37.050
<v Sam>Okay. My head is starting to become injured. I'm going to get a concussion from

00:29:37.050 --> 00:29:38.410
<v Sam>all the cups being thrown at me.

00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:40.870
<v Sam>They are plastic cups, just to be clear.

00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:45.010
<v Sam>He's not like throwing your mugs then

00:29:45.010 --> 00:29:49.190
<v Sam>yeah right yeah no mugs no hammers yet

00:29:49.190 --> 00:29:56.510
<v Sam>but you know i wonder if i continue anyway ghostbusters afterlife is 2021 unlike

00:29:56.510 --> 00:30:00.390
<v Sam>the one with the women it's in the original continuity of the first two movies

00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:08.290
<v Sam>okay okay so what you actually get is the what is it uh is it,

00:30:10.770 --> 00:30:19.850
<v Sam>Like the main character you follow is the granddaughter of Egon Spengler from the first movie.

00:30:20.410 --> 00:30:21.510
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:30:22.250 --> 00:30:27.350
<v Sam>And her brother's there, too. Her mother's there. A couple other things.

00:30:27.690 --> 00:30:32.890
<v Sam>They end up, I'll read you the beginning of the plot summary, so no big spoilers.

00:30:32.890 --> 00:30:39.370
<v Sam>In Somersville, Oklahoma, Egon Spengler captures an entity in occultist Evo

00:30:39.370 --> 00:30:43.350
<v Sam>Shandor's mine outside the town and lures another to his farm.

00:30:43.630 --> 00:30:46.990
<v Sam>He activates an elaborate setup on his property, but the power fails.

00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:52.770
<v Sam>Egon manages to conceal the ghost trap in his home before being attacked by

00:30:52.770 --> 00:30:57.430
<v Sam>the entity and suffering a fatal heart attack, and the entity returns to the mine.

00:30:58.390 --> 00:31:03.150
<v Sam>Egon's estranged, financially struggling daughter, Callie, inherits the farm

00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:07.150
<v Sam>and moves there with her children, Trevor and Phoebe, after being evicted from

00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:08.190
<v Sam>their Chicago apartment.

00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:13.910
<v Sam>Trevor becomes infatuated with carhop Lucky Domingo, and the scientifically-minded

00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:18.430
<v Sam>Phoebe enrolls in a summer science class taught by seismologist Gary Gooberson,

00:31:19.010 --> 00:31:21.230
<v Sam>whom Callie later dates.

00:31:21.810 --> 00:31:26.110
<v Sam>Phoebe discovers the farmhouse is haunted, and the poltergeist residing in it

00:31:26.110 --> 00:31:30.410
<v Sam>leads her to the ghost trap, which she shows to Gary and her new friend.

00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:37.250
<v Sam>Her new friend podcast. Gary, a fan of the Ghostbusters, helps her learn more

00:31:37.250 --> 00:31:38.930
<v Sam>about them and her grandfather.

00:31:39.370 --> 00:31:44.490
<v Sam>He, Phoebe, and podcast tamper with the trap, releasing Vins Clortho,

00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:48.850
<v Sam>key master of Gozer the Gozerian, which escapes to the mine.

00:31:48.850 --> 00:31:54.750
<v Sam>The farm ghost leads Phoebe to Egon's underground laboratory, and I will stop there.

00:31:55.090 --> 00:31:57.710
<v Sam>Okay. Because then it starts to get spoilery after that.

00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:02.910
<v Sam>Anyway, it does have cameos from the original Ghostbusters later in the movie.

00:32:03.250 --> 00:32:07.350
<v Sam>Obviously, there was a bit with Egon at the very beginning. But to be clear,

00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:16.110
<v Sam>this was filmed after the actor for Egon, who was Dana—no, not Dana Hecker.

00:32:16.270 --> 00:32:20.370
<v Sam>Dana Hecker is still alive. yeah a yvonne

00:32:20.370 --> 00:32:23.350
<v Sam>reitman is that right i even right um i haven't

00:32:23.350 --> 00:32:26.150
<v Sam>reitman uh yeah it was already dead when they

00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:29.750
<v Sam>filmed this movie or he died while it was filming or something something like

00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:38.590
<v Sam>that so so anyway yo so he appeared he appears in cameos anyway through the

00:32:38.590 --> 00:32:43.690
<v Sam>magics of magic of cinema but i look,

00:32:44.620 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Sam>Thumbs up. I actually really liked this movie.

00:32:49.040 --> 00:32:49.540
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:56.220
<v Sam>I'd say it gives the original a run for its money. It is different.

00:32:57.940 --> 00:33:03.360
<v Sam>It's definitely a modern 2020s movie, not a 1980s movie.

00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.020
<v Sam>But I think that actually makes it better.

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Sam>It's still got its comedic elements, but it's not so much a straight-up comedy

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.080
<v Sam>as the original Ghostbusters was.

00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:17.620
<v Ivan>It was Harold Ramis. I'm sorry.

00:33:17.820 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Sam>Oh, Harold Ramis.

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.620
<v Ivan>I thought it was a director that actually died as well.

00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Sam>Yes, Harold Ramis. Sorry. Right.

00:33:23.780 --> 00:33:30.040
<v Ivan>It looked like one of our college looks Dead Ringer for Al.

00:33:31.340 --> 00:33:36.520
<v Sam>But anyway, I really liked it. Like, it's a different style than the original,

00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Sam>but I think it's just as good.

00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Sam>I mean, if I had to say which of the Ghostbusters movies would I want to see

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.960
<v Sam>again, I would pick this one over the original now.

00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:53.600
<v Sam>Now, having said that, that's partially because I've seen the original quite

00:33:53.600 --> 00:33:56.360
<v Sam>a few times at this point. I've only seen this one once.

00:33:56.760 --> 00:33:59.980
<v Sam>But yeah, I liked it. It was funny.

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Sam>It was sort of heartwarming at the right places.

00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.500
<v Sam>It had just enough of the lore of the original so that, you know,

00:34:08.740 --> 00:34:11.700
<v Sam>you felt connected to the original but

00:34:11.700 --> 00:34:15.200
<v Sam>it was moving the story onward and bringing in

00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:18.240
<v Sam>new characters to continue the story which by

00:34:18.240 --> 00:34:22.120
<v Sam>the way is the way i i prefer continuations after

00:34:22.120 --> 00:34:25.260
<v Sam>a long period of time you know sometimes and

00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:28.780
<v Sam>we've talked about this on the show before but sometimes complete reboots work

00:34:28.780 --> 00:34:34.540
<v Sam>and the new version is good in its own ways and i'll point to for instance battle

00:34:34.540 --> 00:34:40.640
<v Sam>star galactica oh yeah they're the newer and they're they're apparently redoing

00:34:40.640 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Sam>a new reboot of Battlestar Galactica well by.

00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.560
<v Ivan>The way I love the reboot of Star Trek.

00:34:47.410 --> 00:34:50.150
<v Sam>I know a lot of many reboots of Star Trek at this point.

00:34:50.230 --> 00:34:52.050
<v Ivan>But the last one.

00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:53.910
<v Sam>The last one.

00:34:54.230 --> 00:34:57.730
<v Ivan>So that was the three movies that were that were by what's his name?

00:34:58.270 --> 00:35:02.110
<v Sam>You're you're talking movies, not because there there have been like five new

00:35:02.110 --> 00:35:04.130
<v Sam>Star Trek series in the last couple of years.

00:35:04.370 --> 00:35:07.610
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, yeah, not not not so much the TV series, but more enough,

00:35:07.790 --> 00:35:12.350
<v Ivan>you know, because in a movie era, I mean, you had like that series of movies that was by J.J.

00:35:12.490 --> 00:35:16.050
<v Ivan>Abrams that he did that a lot of people like criticize. But I actually thought,

00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:19.010
<v Ivan>yeah, but I thought they were great. I actually enjoyed them.

00:35:19.010 --> 00:35:22.390
<v Sam>Yeah, I haven't even watched all of them. I think I watched the first two,

00:35:22.510 --> 00:35:26.250
<v Sam>maybe. But, like, I was not impressed by them. I thought they were okay.

00:35:26.550 --> 00:35:32.310
<v Sam>But, like, you can tell how little impressed I was that I didn't bother seeing the last one.

00:35:32.970 --> 00:35:36.510
<v Ivan>I liked them very much. You see? But there were a lot of people that shared.

00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:42.270
<v Sam>But also, even that one, by the way, they actually made a connection to the original series.

00:35:42.390 --> 00:35:47.810
<v Sam>It wasn't actually a real reboot. correct because they had like spock fall backwards

00:35:47.810 --> 00:35:52.210
<v Sam>in time and create a new timeline correct and he was in it like with the older

00:35:52.210 --> 00:35:56.530
<v Sam>spock so yes so they they maintained the continuity with the original sometimes

00:35:56.530 --> 00:36:01.350
<v Sam>like the the battlestar galactica one was completely yeah.

00:36:01.350 --> 00:36:02.630
<v Ivan>Completely rebooted yeah.

00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:09.550
<v Sam>Although at the very end of the series they sort of did hint at connections to the original.

00:36:10.790 --> 00:36:16.670
<v Ivan>I'll tell you one thing. The Battlestar Galactica, the second one itself, compared to the,

00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.180
<v Ivan>first series was, Jesus, was so much more dystopian.

00:36:21.600 --> 00:36:25.520
<v Ivan>I mean, I mean, not that the first one wasn't like it in that sense,

00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Ivan>in the sense of, I mean, Jesus, you know, all the all the humans were almost

00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.080
<v Ivan>annihilated. They had to escape on ships.

00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:38.980
<v Ivan>Right. I think that the that the tone of the second one was far darker.

00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:42.200
<v Ivan>And I think that the other thing that they did is

00:36:42.200 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Ivan>that they visualized and like presented a lot more

00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:51.580
<v Ivan>what actually happened during the attack uh a lot of the suffering oh yeah yeah

00:36:51.580 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Ivan>yeah yeah and so yeah it's like because on the on the first series that got

00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:01.740
<v Ivan>very little play it was just a little bit of you saw that the you know the planets

00:37:01.740 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Ivan>were attacked that they escaped that's it boom right and.

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Sam>This is also a thing where you know after so many decades pass it's a difference

00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.640
<v Sam>in you know what the style of television is right like is it the original premiered

00:37:15.640 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Sam>in 1978 you know and the new one was 2003 you know.

00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Ivan>There's a substantial difference.

00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:30.540
<v Sam>In how things are done but yeah my my point that though is just that you know

00:37:30.540 --> 00:37:35.620
<v Sam>sometimes people do complete reboots, wipe the slate clean, brand new cast.

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Sam>They reset it perhaps in a different time.

00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Sam>They make different assumptions about the characters.

00:37:43.020 --> 00:37:48.100
<v Sam>And it really is a whole new show that just takes some of the same premises and does it again.

00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Sam>That's one way of doing it. And I'm always a little wary of those.

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.340
<v Sam>Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. And then the

00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:58.500
<v Sam>other way is you actually like say we're

00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:01.820
<v Sam>going to pick up the same story 20 years

00:38:01.820 --> 00:38:04.980
<v Sam>later and so the original characters

00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:08.260
<v Sam>are older but they're still around or at

00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Sam>least they're in the history of the show even if the actor is not available and

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.160
<v Sam>you know and you refer to the events of the first

00:38:15.160 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Sam>series and you continue the story for there that also

00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.140
<v Sam>sometimes works and sometimes doesn't work but i

00:38:21.140 --> 00:38:24.100
<v Sam>generally prefer that second approach to the first

00:38:24.100 --> 00:38:27.260
<v Sam>i feel like it gives more respect

00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:30.200
<v Sam>to the original and it may like

00:38:30.200 --> 00:38:33.120
<v Sam>whenever you do the complete reboot i kind of feel

00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:40.460
<v Sam>sad that you really and truly are burying the old version whereas the new version

00:38:40.460 --> 00:38:45.520
<v Sam>whereas if you continue it it's more like a celebration of the old version it's

00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Sam>all part of the same thing and so i like it when they do the second,

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Sam>better than when they like the first.

00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Sam>And anyway, the point is even within the Ghostbusters franchise I think the

00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.220
<v Sam>one where they rebooted it completely was the one with the women and it sort

00:39:00.220 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Sam>of fell flat on its face and again part of that was people being sexist and jerks.

00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.380
<v Sam>But you know,

00:39:08.270 --> 00:39:13.530
<v Sam>part of it was like you get less of the, you don't get the nostalgia effect

00:39:13.530 --> 00:39:15.690
<v Sam>if you don't connect it to the original.

00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:21.110
<v Sam>In this one, in Ghostbusters Afterlife, they connected it to the original two

00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:23.830
<v Sam>movies. They connected it to the original characters.

00:39:24.110 --> 00:39:27.410
<v Sam>The original characters made cameos as themselves.

00:39:27.630 --> 00:39:31.030
<v Sam>Like the one with the women, the original characters did make cameos,

00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:32.290
<v Sam>but playing different people.

00:39:32.550 --> 00:39:36.830
<v Sam>You know, in this one, the original characters made cameos as themselves.

00:39:37.250 --> 00:39:41.530
<v Sam>And it was like, oh, that's great. It's good to see what they're up to these days, you know?

00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:45.690
<v Sam>Anyway, I liked it. Big thumbs up to Ghostbusters Afterlife.

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:50.070
<v Sam>There's one more, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. I have not seen that yet.

00:39:50.370 --> 00:39:51.490
<v Sam>Eventually, I will see that.

00:39:52.070 --> 00:39:53.030
<v Ivan>No, I haven't seen that yet.

00:39:53.290 --> 00:39:56.390
<v Sam>Maybe I'll see that soon. I don't know. But anyway, this is one,

00:39:56.550 --> 00:39:57.750
<v Sam>Yvonne, where I recommend you go ahead.

00:39:57.750 --> 00:40:02.030
<v Ivan>Sam beating me to the punch on watching some movies, which is stunning.

00:40:02.510 --> 00:40:06.510
<v Sam>I recommend you go ahead and watch all the Ghostbusters movies.

00:40:06.750 --> 00:40:09.570
<v Sam>Start at the original and work your way forward.

00:40:09.890 --> 00:40:15.050
<v Sam>Don't skip the one with the women. It's not awesome, but it's not horrible.

00:40:15.770 --> 00:40:19.350
<v Sam>But give it its due service to sort of counteract the jerks.

00:40:19.750 --> 00:40:21.470
<v Sam>See, I'm using the word jerk now.

00:40:21.910 --> 00:40:26.850
<v Sam>And watch the new ones too. And I don't know, maybe the very most recent one

00:40:26.850 --> 00:40:28.190
<v Sam>sucks. I don't know, I haven't seen it yet.

00:40:28.330 --> 00:40:31.030
<v Sam>But I liked Ghostbusters Afterlife. There you go.

00:40:32.350 --> 00:40:37.330
<v Sam>Okay, with that, we will take a break. And after this break,

00:40:37.790 --> 00:40:40.770
<v Sam>I don't know, Yvonne will pick something to talk about.

00:40:41.190 --> 00:40:44.850
<v Sam>We'll talk about it for a while. Then I'll take a break and I'll pick something.

00:40:45.350 --> 00:40:49.430
<v Sam>Or we'll take a break. I mean, I guess I could take a break and Yvonne could keep going.

00:40:49.950 --> 00:40:50.350
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:40:50.450 --> 00:40:51.090
<v Sam>But that would be weird.

00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:52.550
<v Ivan>That's possible. That would be strange.

00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:58.330
<v Sam>You could talk straight through the spot, like just giving your thoughts on something or other.

00:40:58.850 --> 00:41:00.650
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's possible. Yeah.

00:41:00.650 --> 00:41:03.330
<v Sam>Anyway, here's a break. We'll be back in a moment.

00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:47.130
<v Sam>Okay, we're back.

00:41:47.570 --> 00:41:49.930
<v Ivan>We're back. And we're bad.

00:41:50.530 --> 00:41:55.230
<v Sam>So I kept looking over to see what Yvonne was doing during your break,

00:41:55.330 --> 00:41:57.190
<v Sam>but it's still his big frozen face.

00:41:57.690 --> 00:41:59.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm still, you know, frozen.

00:41:59.790 --> 00:42:02.910
<v Sam>So anyway, what do you want to talk about? What do you want to talk about?

00:42:02.970 --> 00:42:03.950
<v Sam>There's been stuff going on.

00:42:04.070 --> 00:42:08.930
<v Sam>It's been longer than normal since we recorded the show early last time.

00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:11.310
<v Sam>Oh, I guess I should mention my surgery went fine.

00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:19.530
<v Sam>It went well. I had the thing cut out of me, and then the next day I had plastic

00:42:19.530 --> 00:42:25.690
<v Sam>surgery to patch up the big open wound that I had.

00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:31.490
<v Sam>It was like, I don't know, the size of a dime across and several millimeters

00:42:31.490 --> 00:42:34.650
<v Sam>deep in my nose, maybe even slightly bigger than that.

00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:37.170
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, given your lobotomy, it doesn't sound like anything.

00:42:37.330 --> 00:42:38.130
<v Ivan>You don't sound very different.

00:42:38.270 --> 00:42:42.910
<v Sam>Yeah, and then they patched it up. They didn't have to take skin from my forehead.

00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:49.370
<v Sam>They described it as they rotated the skin on my nose to cover up the injury.

00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:53.730
<v Sam>But apparently it was big enough that it would never have healed properly on

00:42:53.730 --> 00:42:55.770
<v Sam>its own. So that's why they did the plastic surgery.

00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:59.510
<v Sam>I got the stitches out a week later.

00:43:00.010 --> 00:43:03.870
<v Ivan>Why do we even call this plastic surgery? It's not like they put in plastic.

00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:05.550
<v Sam>They did not put in plastic.

00:43:05.850 --> 00:43:07.830
<v Ivan>Yeah, because it would be very weird.

00:43:07.870 --> 00:43:10.730
<v Sam>Okay, cosmetic surgery. Reconstructive surgery.

00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:14.410
<v Ivan>But they do call it plastic surgery. And I'm just like, you know,

00:43:14.630 --> 00:43:18.430
<v Ivan>what the hell? You know, we're not patching people off with plastic. Okay.

00:43:18.950 --> 00:43:19.950
<v Sam>Sometimes they are.

00:43:21.190 --> 00:43:24.070
<v Ivan>Rarely at this point, I'm assuming. But for the most part.

00:43:24.270 --> 00:43:26.970
<v Sam>Sometimes plastic, sometimes silicone, sometimes other things.

00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:29.710
<v Sam>But yeah, you're right. It's not usually actually plastic.

00:43:29.890 --> 00:43:32.790
<v Ivan>Because that would be very weird. And we were just, you know,

00:43:32.910 --> 00:43:35.690
<v Ivan>all of a sudden, hey, I just came back from my plastic surgery.

00:43:35.850 --> 00:43:37.110
<v Ivan>Your nose is made out of plastic.

00:43:38.430 --> 00:43:41.050
<v Sam>Yes indeed that might look.

00:43:41.050 --> 00:43:41.730
<v Ivan>Like a clown.

00:43:41.730 --> 00:43:47.190
<v Sam>Well it depends they can make some like you know realistic look like.

00:43:47.190 --> 00:43:49.230
<v Ivan>A like a permanent clown nose.

00:43:49.230 --> 00:43:52.650
<v Sam>Well alex alex did

00:43:52.650 --> 00:43:55.650
<v Sam>a image edit of me with a muppet nose and has

00:43:55.650 --> 00:43:58.530
<v Sam>been sending around to people he didn't send it to the curmudgeon score

00:43:58.530 --> 00:44:02.490
<v Sam>slack maybe you should do that now alex but yeah

00:44:02.490 --> 00:44:05.390
<v Sam>yeah so he's but yeah yeah like no i mean

00:44:05.390 --> 00:44:09.690
<v Sam>you know they make they make like the madame tussauds stuff that look realistic

00:44:09.690 --> 00:44:14.430
<v Sam>they make the animatronics at disney that look realistic you're right you you

00:44:14.430 --> 00:44:20.610
<v Sam>could you could substitute a brand new oh i've i actually saw yvonne moving

00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:22.970
<v Sam>instead of the freeze frame again hey.

00:44:22.970 --> 00:44:25.870
<v Ivan>I am moving again what the hell okay all right.

00:44:25.870 --> 00:44:30.590
<v Sam>Back and anyway for those of you listening to the podcast later this means nothing

00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:35.270
<v Sam>to you anyway it looks fine my i i still have a little bit of swelling i still

00:44:35.270 --> 00:44:36.890
<v Sam>I'll have to like put Vaseline on it.

00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:40.290
<v Sam>And I'm supposed to be careful about sunlight for a full year.

00:44:40.290 --> 00:44:42.230
<v Ivan>You're not supposed to be using that for sex.

00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:45.370
<v Sam>I was putting it on my nose.

00:44:45.870 --> 00:44:46.290
<v Ivan>Right.

00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:47.510
<v Sam>And okay.

00:44:48.770 --> 00:44:50.730
<v Ivan>I mean, what are you doing? Okay. Anyway.

00:44:51.730 --> 00:44:56.270
<v Sam>Anyway. Yeah. I still, I'm supposed to like wear sunscreen and a hat for like

00:44:56.270 --> 00:44:59.050
<v Sam>a full year. Like to keep the sun.

00:44:59.370 --> 00:45:00.770
<v Ivan>I should always wear sunscreen and a hat.

00:45:00.770 --> 00:45:03.990
<v Sam>Well, that's what they told me actually, is that you be sure to do this for

00:45:03.990 --> 00:45:06.530
<v Sam>a year and actually forever. because you should have been doing it anyway.

00:45:07.230 --> 00:45:11.550
<v Ivan>Yeah. I usually try to like, I mean, I'll say that I do a lot of times when

00:45:11.550 --> 00:45:16.350
<v Ivan>I know that I'm going to be out in the sun, I do put up sunscreen on my face more than anything.

00:45:16.670 --> 00:45:21.050
<v Ivan>And actually on the, I mean, on the back of my head where it's a little bit bold.

00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:23.750
<v Ivan>I always try to make sure that that doesn't get, but you know,

00:45:23.870 --> 00:45:29.570
<v Ivan>I mean, I do try if I'm going to be outdoors, you know, to wear a hat.

00:45:29.990 --> 00:45:33.470
<v Ivan>I mean, not just walk into the car, you know, that just seems like a little bit.

00:45:34.030 --> 00:45:38.370
<v Sam>Right. So anyway, there's still a little bit of swelling, and I think the shape

00:45:38.370 --> 00:45:42.130
<v Sam>is slightly different than it used to be, but whatever.

00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:45.470
<v Sam>Like, you know, it doesn't look too bad.

00:45:45.930 --> 00:45:48.490
<v Sam>There's going to be a small scar, but whatever.

00:45:49.070 --> 00:45:54.430
<v Sam>Anyway, so I was giving the update since I was reminded.

00:45:54.670 --> 00:45:58.550
<v Sam>What I was saying is it's been longer since our last episode than usual.

00:45:58.690 --> 00:46:00.510
<v Sam>It's been like a week and a half instead of a week.

00:46:00.690 --> 00:46:03.670
<v Sam>So stuff has happened. So what do you want to talk about, Yvonne?

00:46:03.670 --> 00:46:10.110
<v Ivan>Okay, so, Sam, Trump has only been in office for little more than 100 days.

00:46:10.570 --> 00:46:12.970
<v Sam>It doesn't seem like so much longer.

00:46:13.190 --> 00:46:14.770
<v Ivan>It seems like it's been a year.

00:46:17.570 --> 00:46:18.770
<v Ivan>Jesus Christ.

00:46:20.740 --> 00:46:22.460
<v Ivan>How's the approval doing, Sam?

00:46:23.020 --> 00:46:24.060
<v Sam>Oh, great.

00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:25.280
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:46:25.680 --> 00:46:28.260
<v Sam>He's the most popular president ever.

00:46:28.680 --> 00:46:32.220
<v Ivan>According to Trump, yes. How's he doing?

00:46:32.720 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Sam>Oh, it's been horrible.

00:46:35.540 --> 00:46:42.020
<v Ivan>I mean, right now, he has the worst. I mean, if you track almost every metric

00:46:42.020 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Ivan>in terms of stock market,

00:46:45.600 --> 00:46:51.100
<v Ivan>you know, economy, like just about anything, he is performing at a rate that's

00:46:51.100 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Ivan>worse than any time that we've ever tracked this shit pretty much.

00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.780
<v Sam>Yeah i mean look people have

00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:01.420
<v Sam>generated all kinds of charts i'm looking at approval right now there

00:47:01.420 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Sam>are a whole bunch out there i'm looking at the one from the economist right

00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:08.660
<v Sam>now uh if you google economist trump approval tracker you'll find it but there's

00:47:08.660 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Sam>like a half dozen of these there's rcp there's there's a whole bunch nate silver

00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:20.360
<v Sam>has one the silver bulletin 538 doesn't exist anymore, but there are all these others out there.

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:27.200
<v Sam>Anyway, Trump had already been the lowest net approval of any president since

00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:30.220
<v Sam>they started polling other than his first term.

00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:33.740
<v Sam>That had been true almost since the day one of his presidency.

00:47:34.020 --> 00:47:38.680
<v Sam>A couple of weeks ago, he is now doing worse than his first term for the first time.

00:47:39.540 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Ivan>Congratulations. Yay.

00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.380
<v Sam>Yeah. And so now it's just straight up the worst

00:47:44.380 --> 00:47:47.080
<v Sam>net approval of any president since there was

00:47:47.080 --> 00:47:50.300
<v Sam>regular polling of this question and like

00:47:50.300 --> 00:47:53.820
<v Sam>you said all kinds of other metrics too in terms of how the stock market has

00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Sam>done in the first 100 days worst ever start for presidency yeah um yeah hell

00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Sam>in terms of how much legislation congress has passed like i i think i read they

00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.640
<v Sam>pass they have passed and had signed six bills in these hundred days.

00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.220
<v Ivan>And in comparison, how is that?

00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Sam>Oh, I think it's usually in the mid double digits, like 50 or 60 by this time.

00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:22.720
<v Sam>You know, I don't have those numbers ahead of me, in front of me,

00:48:22.820 --> 00:48:25.340
<v Sam>so I'm going by memory, but much higher.

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:29.380
<v Sam>Even by the standards of recent congresses.

00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:32.680
<v Ivan>Which have been very low on the productivity scale, yeah.

00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:37.140
<v Sam>Yeah. And of course, number of bills isn't a really great measure anyway,

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.100
<v Sam>which is why I stopped tracking it myself. Well, also because it was too much.

00:48:41.200 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Ivan>I mean, but it is a measure. I mean, you know, look, I mean,

00:48:44.380 --> 00:48:47.700
<v Ivan>if you're Congress and you're not passing bills, the fuck are you doing?

00:48:48.020 --> 00:48:55.500
<v Sam>Now, the one metric that he has blown away every previous president is executive orders.

00:48:56.170 --> 00:49:00.830
<v Sam>He has issued more executive or he's like, I believe he's more than doubled,

00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:04.850
<v Sam>maybe even more than tripled the previous record for the number of executive

00:49:04.850 --> 00:49:06.210
<v Sam>orders in the first hundred days.

00:49:06.590 --> 00:49:11.170
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, I mean, everything is every other week they come up with some

00:49:11.170 --> 00:49:14.070
<v Ivan>fucking executive order on something.

00:49:14.370 --> 00:49:20.810
<v Ivan>And it's like, you know, like on some something, just on whatever the fuck it is.

00:49:20.910 --> 00:49:25.610
<v Ivan>I mean, you all of a sudden you read the news, you're like, wait, he's doing what?

00:49:26.170 --> 00:49:29.570
<v Ivan>You made an executive order on what? I mean, what, a fucking showerhead.

00:49:30.370 --> 00:49:30.850
<v Sam>Yes.

00:49:30.950 --> 00:49:31.950
<v Ivan>A fucking showerhead.

00:49:31.950 --> 00:49:36.930
<v Sam>That's been pissing off Donald Trump for years. I remember him talking about it in 2016.

00:49:37.290 --> 00:49:41.490
<v Ivan>Yeah, but come on, man. I mean, showerheads. I mean, you know, I don't know.

00:49:41.730 --> 00:49:45.450
<v Ivan>Like, it's just there's always an executive order on something,

00:49:45.670 --> 00:49:47.570
<v Ivan>okay? Targeting individuals.

00:49:48.210 --> 00:49:52.530
<v Sam>Okay, so let me, I think there have been more since then. This is through April

00:49:52.530 --> 00:49:54.650
<v Sam>29th, which is the first 100 days.

00:49:55.210 --> 00:50:02.230
<v Sam>For the last, going back through Clinton. No, going back through Reagan.

00:50:02.790 --> 00:50:05.850
<v Sam>Although they don't have George H.W. Bush on this list. I don't know why.

00:50:06.230 --> 00:50:11.350
<v Sam>Anyway, so Trump had, I'm going off a graph, so I'm estimating the numbers,

00:50:11.350 --> 00:50:14.010
<v Sam>about 85 in the first 100 days.

00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:19.390
<v Sam>Next highest was Obama at about 65.

00:50:19.410 --> 00:50:24.070
<v Sam>So I was wrong about the doubling, but still significantly higher.

00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:32.150
<v Sam>Next above that was about 55 for Reagan, about just over 50 for Clinton,

00:50:32.890 --> 00:50:36.030
<v Sam>just under 50 for George H.W. Bush.

00:50:36.850 --> 00:50:42.310
<v Sam>No, for George W. Bush. For some reason, George H.W. is missing here.

00:50:42.630 --> 00:50:44.370
<v Ivan>Or maybe he just didn't do many.

00:50:44.670 --> 00:50:48.950
<v Sam>Or none. I don't know. I should look that up, but I'm not going to.

00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:57.090
<v Ivan>Okay. so i mean 100 days one of the things that happened is the tariffs so we're

00:50:57.090 --> 00:51:02.470
<v Ivan>tariffed you know uh peter navarro had gone on tv and said that we are going

00:51:02.470 --> 00:51:04.930
<v Ivan>to be negotiating i screwed up.

00:51:04.930 --> 00:51:07.290
<v Sam>I did not properly look up that graph.

00:51:07.290 --> 00:51:10.890
<v Ivan>Okay sorry uh-huh yeah yeah yeah correction that.

00:51:10.890 --> 00:51:12.790
<v Sam>Was the first hundred days of his first term.

00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:15.400
<v Ivan>Oh, so what's the current term?

00:51:15.700 --> 00:51:20.740
<v Sam>Well, now I'm going to have to go find it because apparently I failed in finding it the first time.

00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:23.120
<v Ivan>Oh, my goodness.

00:51:24.180 --> 00:51:29.640
<v Sam>I have seen this graph, but now I'm not going to be able to find the stupid thing. Let me add.

00:51:30.080 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Ivan>Well, just ask how many executive orders, you know, here, let me see.

00:51:34.540 --> 00:51:41.680
<v Ivan>Hey, Siri, how many executive orders has Donald Trump signed in his current presidential term?

00:51:42.300 --> 00:51:45.160
<v Ivan>Do you want me to use chat gpt yes do

00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:48.060
<v Ivan>okay here we go which i figured it was gonna do

00:51:48.060 --> 00:51:50.780
<v Ivan>looks like 102 working with

00:51:50.780 --> 00:51:57.580
<v Ivan>chat gpt okay so as of may 3rd 2025 president donald trump has signed 89 executive

00:51:57.580 --> 00:52:05.660
<v Ivan>orders in his current term from yo 14 147 through yo 14 235 that was from chat

00:52:05.660 --> 00:52:08.080
<v Ivan>gpt Check important info for mistakes.

00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.280
<v Sam>Yeah, I've got, he has signed three today.

00:52:12.680 --> 00:52:17.700
<v Sam>So that information is out of date. I have an executive order tracker.

00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.160
<v Sam>It's the executiveordertracker.com.

00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:26.180
<v Sam>It lists 43 in progress because after he signs them, it takes a couple of weeks

00:52:26.180 --> 00:52:28.780
<v Sam>for them to get into the federal register and be in effect.

00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:33.780
<v Sam>He's got 43 in progress, three that have been blocked by the courts and 69 total.

00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:38.640
<v Sam>So whatever and three with an unclear status so.

00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:47.060
<v Ivan>If you add up nine plus 43 70 so no oh my god 113 112 69 plus 43 is 112 plus what else plus.

00:52:47.060 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Sam>Plus six more.

00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:54.420
<v Ivan>So 118 118 okay so that is a a record pace by by a lot.

00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:55.780
<v Sam>By a lot yes.

00:52:55.780 --> 00:53:01.740
<v Ivan>Yeah okay well and the people are people really liking all this stuff.

00:53:02.650 --> 00:53:08.210
<v Sam>No. We went through his approval rating before being the lowest ever.

00:53:08.830 --> 00:53:13.210
<v Sam>I mean, you still, the diehards of the diehards, they're never going to give them up no matter what.

00:53:13.330 --> 00:53:17.170
<v Sam>But all of these people who were sort of like, oh, I don't know,

00:53:17.390 --> 00:53:22.130
<v Sam>I'll vote for Trump because I liked the economy in his first term,

00:53:22.410 --> 00:53:24.610
<v Sam>forgetting the second half of his first term.

00:53:25.070 --> 00:53:30.830
<v Sam>And because, like, Biden's old and Biden hasn't done all the things I want to

00:53:30.830 --> 00:53:32.350
<v Sam>do. And I want change, damn it!

00:53:33.030 --> 00:53:33.430
<v Ivan>Change!

00:53:34.430 --> 00:53:35.330
<v Sam>Change, Sam!

00:53:36.210 --> 00:53:36.610
<v Ivan>Change!

00:53:37.170 --> 00:53:38.850
<v Sam>Yeah, those people are like...

00:53:38.850 --> 00:53:39.930
<v Ivan>Well, you could go to National Change.

00:53:39.930 --> 00:53:40.970
<v Sam>This isn't what I meant.

00:53:41.910 --> 00:53:47.430
<v Ivan>Oh, this isn't what you meant. Well, yeah, that's a reference, but, you know.

00:53:48.190 --> 00:53:53.470
<v Ivan>But, yeah, the change for... I always find...

00:53:53.470 --> 00:53:58.650
<v Sam>Oh, and now I find the damn chart. Ah. Okay, so I will give you a reference

00:53:58.650 --> 00:54:01.090
<v Sam>to not only this chart, but a bunch of others.

00:54:01.310 --> 00:54:05.890
<v Sam>This is from the New York Times, published on April 29th, which was the 100-day mark.

00:54:06.790 --> 00:54:11.950
<v Sam>Trump's astonishing 100 days in eight charts. So the very first one is the executive

00:54:11.950 --> 00:54:14.170
<v Sam>orders, shows how much higher he is.

00:54:14.310 --> 00:54:17.890
<v Sam>The next closest, which our previous chart did not go back to,

00:54:17.950 --> 00:54:21.630
<v Sam>is FDR in 1941, who also was over 100.

00:54:22.210 --> 00:54:22.650
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:54:22.650 --> 00:54:26.390
<v Sam>Um, the next chart was lost war go.

00:54:26.550 --> 00:54:31.250
<v Ivan>Well, there was world war two going on. So I'm like, okay, I'll give FDR a pass.

00:54:32.490 --> 00:54:39.910
<v Sam>Yeah. The next number two and number three are FDR 1941 and FDR 1937 followed

00:54:39.910 --> 00:54:42.650
<v Sam>by Truman in 1945, then Biden in 2021.

00:54:42.990 --> 00:54:48.970
<v Sam>Those are the top five. The next chart is how much he's been sued in federal

00:54:48.970 --> 00:54:50.490
<v Sam>court against the president.

00:54:50.810 --> 00:54:54.730
<v Ivan>Uh, and he, He's got to break a record of some kind.

00:54:54.730 --> 00:55:00.650
<v Sam>He has got, I'm eyeballing from the chart, like around 250 lawsuits so far.

00:55:01.430 --> 00:55:09.130
<v Sam>The next closest was Trump in 2017, who was only at like 115 or something.

00:55:09.610 --> 00:55:15.530
<v Sam>And then after that was Bush in 2005 and Obama in 2013.

00:55:15.770 --> 00:55:22.570
<v Sam>The next chart, revenue from tariffs. He's actually number one. Number two is Biden.

00:55:22.710 --> 00:55:23.450
<v Ivan>No, get out of here.

00:55:24.250 --> 00:55:31.130
<v Sam>Then the dollar plunged. The dollar has plunged more than any of these other

00:55:31.130 --> 00:55:32.410
<v Sam>comparison presidents there.

00:55:32.610 --> 00:55:35.270
<v Sam>And it's weird here. Like, yeah, yes.

00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:39.370
<v Sam>The next worst was Nixon in 1973.

00:55:40.550 --> 00:55:41.670
<v Sam>Then markets.

00:55:41.950 --> 00:55:48.650
<v Ivan>Of course, Nixon's 73. Okay. The main thing, 73 was the year of the oil shop,

00:55:48.670 --> 00:55:49.590
<v Ivan>if I remember correctly.

00:55:50.210 --> 00:55:55.530
<v Ivan>So that's why the dollar plunged. I'm pretty sure that that's what happened in 73.

00:55:55.530 --> 00:56:01.470
<v Sam>Speaking of markets, Trump 2025 first hundred days was not the worst ever,

00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:02.730
<v Sam>which I believe I said before.

00:56:03.250 --> 00:56:10.010
<v Sam>Nixon 1973 was actually worse. And Ford 1974 was worse as well. They're close.

00:56:10.450 --> 00:56:14.710
<v Ivan>So by the way, for those that don't know, just because I say that oil shock

00:56:14.710 --> 00:56:16.870
<v Ivan>like everybody knows what it is.

00:56:16.870 --> 00:56:22.710
<v Ivan>OK, but but, you know, in October 1973, OPEC announced that it was implementing

00:56:22.710 --> 00:56:25.250
<v Ivan>a total oil embargo against countries

00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:28.730
<v Ivan>that supported Israel at any point during the 1973 Yom Kippur War,

00:56:28.930 --> 00:56:32.070
<v Ivan>which began after Egypt and Syria launched a large scale surprise attack.

00:56:33.170 --> 00:56:37.090
<v Ivan>And that was, you know, a massive shock.

00:56:37.370 --> 00:56:41.510
<v Ivan>The price of oil rose by nearly 300 percent.

00:56:42.030 --> 00:56:46.570
<v Ivan>OK, from three dollars per barrel to nearly twelve dollars a barrel globally.

00:56:46.870 --> 00:56:50.210
<v Ivan>Prices in the United States were significantly higher than the global average.

00:56:50.350 --> 00:56:51.930
<v Ivan>Okay, so it was even higher than that.

00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:56.050
<v Ivan>After it was implemented, the embargo caused an oil crisis, oil shock,

00:56:56.370 --> 00:56:59.710
<v Ivan>which very short and terminally affects the global economy as well as global politics.

00:57:00.190 --> 00:57:02.430
<v Ivan>So think about this right now.

00:57:04.570 --> 00:57:09.850
<v Ivan>Current price of oil being at $70 a barrel. Imagine if, like,

00:57:10.070 --> 00:57:14.810
<v Ivan>overnight, it went to, what, 200-plus dollars a barrel?

00:57:15.190 --> 00:57:17.490
<v Ivan>What the impact on the economy would be?

00:57:17.870 --> 00:57:18.470
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:28.020
<v Ivan>Hey yeah you know that was so that was a brutal one a 73 with nixon but uh but

00:57:28.020 --> 00:57:32.140
<v Ivan>this one here's a funny thing but here's the thing that was an external shock

00:57:32.140 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Ivan>trump managed to do the same thing by doing it himself yeah.

00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:41.200
<v Sam>There you go the rest of the charts on this one fewer state department briefings

00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:44.120
<v Sam>than all these other presidencies significantly.

00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:48.620
<v Ivan>Lower budget his budget request for the State Department. His budget request

00:57:48.620 --> 00:57:51.380
<v Ivan>cut the budget for the State Department by 85%.

00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:55.420
<v Sam>Federal funding for medical research, the lowest of all of these other recent

00:57:55.420 --> 00:57:57.900
<v Sam>presidents. He's almost half the level.

00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:00.740
<v Ivan>Medical research. We need some medical research.

00:58:02.060 --> 00:58:03.180
<v Sam>His approval.

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:07.240
<v Ivan>We got RFK Jr., man. What do we need that medical research for?

00:58:07.720 --> 00:58:12.680
<v Sam>Yeah. So then approval. This chart, we talked net approval before. This is just approval.

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:18.780
<v Sam>So straight approval-wise, Trump 2017 is still worse than 2025 if you don't

00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:20.740
<v Sam>take the net and you just take the approval number.

00:58:21.180 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:58:21.680 --> 00:58:27.600
<v Sam>But it appears to be dropping faster than it did in 2017. And that's the last year.

00:58:27.620 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Ivan>To be more effective.

00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:36.260
<v Sam>Yes. And it's important to keep in mind, the people who do still approve of

00:58:36.260 --> 00:58:41.240
<v Sam>Donald Trump, many of them think he's doing awesome and all this stuff is great.

00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Ivan>No, no.

00:58:42.460 --> 00:58:43.140
<v Sam>Not all of them.

00:58:43.160 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Ivan>No, no.

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:43.740
<v Sam>Not all.

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.200
<v Ivan>Wait, wait, wait. No. I've heard a whole bunch of them actually,

00:58:47.580 --> 00:58:56.500
<v Ivan>no, no, no, say, oh, this really hurt me, this is so bad, but I still trust them anyway.

00:58:56.980 --> 00:58:57.540
<v Sam>Right.

00:58:58.040 --> 00:58:59.420
<v Ivan>Which is even dumber.

00:59:00.510 --> 00:59:05.850
<v Ivan>It's just ridiculous. They're like, oh yeah, I lost my job because of him and

00:59:05.850 --> 00:59:12.150
<v Ivan>I can't afford anything and you know we're economically hurt but hey, I still trust him.

00:59:12.710 --> 00:59:14.630
<v Ivan>Damn it. He's my guy.

00:59:15.570 --> 00:59:20.410
<v Ivan>Sounds like I'm right. You know, this sounds like honestly, and I'm not minimizing

00:59:20.410 --> 00:59:24.130
<v Ivan>this in any way, like the victims of like spousal abuse.

00:59:24.790 --> 00:59:26.490
<v Sam>Yeah, very much so.

00:59:26.750 --> 00:59:31.570
<v Ivan>This is like daughter, spouse you know, behavior.

00:59:31.990 --> 00:59:38.110
<v Ivan>I mean, because the reality is that everything he has done, the people he has

00:59:38.110 --> 00:59:41.830
<v Ivan>fucked the worst, for the most part, are people that voted for him.

00:59:42.590 --> 00:59:42.710
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:59:43.470 --> 00:59:48.970
<v Ivan>Think about Wall Street. Now, Wall Street, okay, wind up on Elia,

00:59:49.130 --> 00:59:53.090
<v Ivan>we're going to go on the Trump bandwagon because, you know, he's going to cut

00:59:53.090 --> 00:59:56.250
<v Ivan>regulations and stuff and whatever, going to cut taxes.

00:59:56.770 --> 01:00:01.330
<v Ivan>Everything's going to be great. First guys that got fucked Fucked,

01:00:01.670 --> 01:00:03.650
<v Ivan>fucked, fucked Wall Street.

01:00:03.950 --> 01:00:09.910
<v Ivan>Both completely, you know, just absolutely annihilated them. You know?

01:00:11.350 --> 01:00:16.230
<v Ivan>Farmers, okay? Farmers are getting killed by the tariffs.

01:00:16.490 --> 01:00:21.910
<v Ivan>Killed, okay? This whole tariff trade is fucking screwing them.

01:00:22.010 --> 01:00:26.030
<v Ivan>And they're still going around saying, Oh, Trump's my guy.

01:00:26.170 --> 01:00:31.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, I can't sell my soybeans, but, you know. but hey you know Trump's still a genius.

01:00:32.410 --> 01:00:39.890
<v Sam>Right of course he is okay you know obviously this segment is the 100 day mark

01:00:39.890 --> 01:00:45.170
<v Sam>so what else do we want to say about how the first 100 days have been going anything um.

01:00:46.100 --> 01:00:51.540
<v Ivan>I think the one thing on immigration, and do you have any stats there on deportations?

01:00:51.660 --> 01:00:53.140
<v Ivan>How are they tracking versus?

01:00:53.660 --> 01:00:55.780
<v Sam>I did not. Like, one other chart.

01:00:55.780 --> 01:00:56.980
<v Ivan>That would be a good one to look up.

01:00:57.100 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Sam>I will look at, while I'm talking, though, I have seen, by the way,

01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:04.900
<v Sam>one of, like, the whole Dodge thing is, like, to cut federal spending.

01:01:05.220 --> 01:01:05.680
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah.

01:01:06.040 --> 01:01:09.940
<v Sam>And I have seen charts that, now,

01:01:10.080 --> 01:01:15.560
<v Sam>future spending may still be affected, but there are charts of the actual dollar

01:01:15.560 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Sam>outlays from the federal government for these first hundred days are higher. Are higher.

01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:22.220
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:01:22.380 --> 01:01:26.280
<v Sam>Are higher than, well, I don't think they're comparing from four years ago,

01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:29.080
<v Sam>but compared to last year, 2025 compared to 2025.

01:01:29.100 --> 01:01:30.980
<v Ivan>Compared to, exactly. They're higher.

01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:31.860
<v Sam>Yes.

01:01:31.980 --> 01:01:33.220
<v Ivan>They're higher. Yes.

01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:34.480
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:39.860
<v Ivan>So Doge is costing money and even like when you, you know, but also,

01:01:40.140 --> 01:01:43.980
<v Ivan>even if you take that out, The savings that were realized, okay,

01:01:44.140 --> 01:01:47.780
<v Ivan>in terms of savings realized versus savings promised,

01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:54.100
<v Ivan>it's about, I guess it's the standard, like, Elon Musk promised to delivery

01:01:54.100 --> 01:01:58.620
<v Ivan>ratio, which is over 90% less than what he promised, okay, all right?

01:01:58.620 --> 01:02:03.340
<v Ivan>So that's, you know, par for the course for Elon in everything that we've seen

01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:05.020
<v Ivan>the last decade at this point.

01:02:05.600 --> 01:02:07.580
<v Ivan>So that part is there.

01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:14.580
<v Ivan>And I think also that if you probably measure the cost of the economy of a lot

01:02:14.580 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Ivan>of the things that he got rid of.

01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:21.680
<v Ivan>In the end, even though you save the money, maybe technically for the second

01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:27.580
<v Ivan>year after severance or whatever for that, the cost of the economy is probably going to be higher.

01:02:27.740 --> 01:02:30.540
<v Ivan>I mean, people, you know, yeah, you're getting less federal spending,

01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.740
<v Ivan>you know, and the return is that you're going to have more costs across the

01:02:35.740 --> 01:02:39.460
<v Ivan>board from eliminating programs that actually helped.

01:02:40.310 --> 01:02:43.850
<v Ivan>In many ways, like in terms of climate forecasts, in terms of,

01:02:43.930 --> 01:02:47.870
<v Ivan>say, I'll give you an example, one that always adds cost. That's simple, okay?

01:02:49.470 --> 01:02:55.710
<v Ivan>FAA understaffing, okay? All right? For example, say you save a few billion on that.

01:02:55.850 --> 01:02:59.290
<v Ivan>The cost of the airlines, from airline delays, okay, that they,

01:02:59.430 --> 01:03:03.410
<v Ivan>again, far outweighs whatever you spent there. Another great example.

01:03:04.270 --> 01:03:09.330
<v Ivan>Oh, we're cutting, you know, people at the IRS, left and right, okay?

01:03:09.870 --> 01:03:13.170
<v Ivan>Cutting people in the irs usually whatever you

01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:16.310
<v Ivan>cut the multiplier in terms of lost revenue

01:03:16.310 --> 01:03:19.230
<v Ivan>is way higher so the savings are bullshit because you're

01:03:19.230 --> 01:03:21.910
<v Ivan>saving you know oh yo we're gonna save a

01:03:21.910 --> 01:03:24.650
<v Ivan>few billion here and people expecting tax returns well that

01:03:24.650 --> 01:03:27.990
<v Ivan>means that a lot of people that are you know are skating without paying their

01:03:27.990 --> 01:03:32.510
<v Ivan>taxes because we got rid of the people that make sure they do so that right

01:03:32.510 --> 01:03:37.850
<v Ivan>so many of these okay and and those are short-term costs as a matter of fact

01:03:37.850 --> 01:03:41.970
<v Ivan>Stats are showing already the tax, you know, receipts outside,

01:03:42.230 --> 01:03:44.830
<v Ivan>you know, outside of the stupid tariffs. They're down.

01:03:45.390 --> 01:03:51.350
<v Ivan>The deficit is way higher than it's been. So so they haven't saved the damn dime.

01:03:51.590 --> 01:03:54.650
<v Ivan>OK, from any of this. So that's that's a savings.

01:03:55.010 --> 01:03:57.030
<v Ivan>You're getting any close on the deportations there?

01:03:57.310 --> 01:04:02.590
<v Sam>Yeah, I have one number. This is from Forbes, which we've discussed before.

01:04:03.130 --> 01:04:03.970
<v Ivan>Yeah, shaky.

01:04:03.970 --> 01:04:11.190
<v Sam>Not shaky as a source, but they say that so far during Trump's first 100 days,

01:04:11.390 --> 01:04:14.570
<v Sam>he has averaged 660 deportations a day.

01:04:15.450 --> 01:04:16.250
<v Ivan>Okay, so 660 a day.

01:04:16.250 --> 01:04:22.530
<v Sam>The average for all of last year for Biden was 742 a day.

01:04:22.810 --> 01:04:28.110
<v Ivan>So bottom line is, once again, what he's done is be more cruel about them,

01:04:28.190 --> 01:04:30.290
<v Ivan>but not more effective at removing people.

01:04:30.950 --> 01:04:31.770
<v Sam>Right. Right.

01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:35.640
<v Ivan>Yeah. Let's be arbitrary. Let's be unfair.

01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.680
<v Ivan>You know, and all we want to do, because of course they're trying to do what

01:04:38.680 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Ivan>the heck is this thing they keep talking about.

01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.620
<v Sam>Now, I will say the same Forbes article

01:04:43.620 --> 01:04:49.920
<v Sam>indicates that the Trump administration disputes those numbers and that the

01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.760
<v Sam>actual deportation rate should be higher because they are reporting numbers

01:04:54.760 --> 01:05:01.160
<v Sam>that also include deportation by the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection.

01:05:01.160 --> 01:05:04.940
<v Sam>Like, I guess, turning people away at the border and counting those,

01:05:05.100 --> 01:05:11.360
<v Sam>as well as counting people who self-deported using the CBP app.

01:05:11.860 --> 01:05:16.600
<v Sam>So they're counting those. But I figure if it's apples to apples, then, you know.

01:05:16.740 --> 01:05:20.220
<v Ivan>You're not deporting as many people, you know, and it's just,

01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.660
<v Ivan>you're making it more cruel and arbitrary. That's all you're doing.

01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.240
<v Sam>Right. And it's been pointed out too that like

01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:33.640
<v Sam>this is not you know the the worst of the worst we're getting the horrible criminals

01:05:33.640 --> 01:05:39.160
<v Sam>and kicking them out oh most of these are just normal people that the only thing

01:05:39.160 --> 01:05:44.860
<v Sam>the only thing they've done wrong is the actual immigration offense that's it and.

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:49.660
<v Ivan>Or you know like all of these that marco rubio is threatening all these people

01:05:49.660 --> 01:05:55.420
<v Ivan>that if you've got a visa and that we're going to revoke your visa if you did some kind of like,

01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.860
<v Ivan>fuck, he's trying to revoke visas for people that got like speeding tickets.

01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:09.240
<v Sam>Yeah. Or, you know, the big example of was people like the woman who wrote an editorial on Gaza.

01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.180
<v Sam>But yeah, they're trying to do speeding tickets. They're trying to use any possible excuse.

01:06:15.640 --> 01:06:19.780
<v Ivan>But again, the reality is that it goes back to, like I said,

01:06:20.060 --> 01:06:25.160
<v Ivan>the numbers are not at anywhere near the pace that he's wanted to do it.

01:06:25.340 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Ivan>All they've managed to do is, is because they're focusing so much on,

01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:35.520
<v Ivan>they are so focused on the show more than the effectiveness as usual, okay?

01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:41.300
<v Ivan>That is all that counts. You know, you have the photo op with Miss $3,000 purse,

01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:46.600
<v Ivan>purse for $3,000, you know, in front of a jail wearing her $50,000,

01:06:46.600 --> 01:06:50.700
<v Ivan>$60,000 Rolex, you know, in front of the fucking jail.

01:06:51.620 --> 01:06:56.380
<v Ivan>Down there at the photo op that they do. That's the shit that they like.

01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.400
<v Ivan>By the way, aside from that, for her being such a publicity fucking dog,

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:07.000
<v Ivan>the other day as I was crossing through TSA, all of a sudden, I hear her.

01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:12.060
<v Ivan>I'm like, what the fuck? So they replaced this video that as far as I recall,

01:07:13.050 --> 01:07:14.870
<v Ivan>I think it may have happened.

01:07:15.230 --> 01:07:20.010
<v Sam>Oh, okay, a video. For a second, I thought you were going to say she was right there in person.

01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:24.290
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck, Jesus Christ. Yeah, no, thank God, no. I'm like, you know,

01:07:24.650 --> 01:07:30.990
<v Ivan>and they, on all the TVs now, when you're crossing DSA, they have a video showing her face,

01:07:31.450 --> 01:07:36.170
<v Ivan>you know, telling you, you know, about the procedures to cross through security.

01:07:36.170 --> 01:07:39.490
<v Ivan>And i was just like i am man i

01:07:39.490 --> 01:07:42.770
<v Ivan>don't think that the last one had a video of

01:07:42.770 --> 01:07:47.710
<v Ivan>the face of the homeland security secretary right but but she's such a fucking

01:07:47.710 --> 01:07:52.610
<v Ivan>publicity hound that i guess she was like no like like trump give me a video

01:07:52.610 --> 01:07:56.990
<v Ivan>oh by the way another cost saving thing did you see that trump apparently somehow

01:07:56.990 --> 01:08:01.750
<v Ivan>has managed to finagle himself a new air force one i.

01:08:01.750 --> 01:08:08.770
<v Sam>I saw uh what he's doing yes i wouldn't call it quite that but yeah i mean i

01:08:08.770 --> 01:08:11.630
<v Sam>guess it will be if he flies in it it's air force one period.

01:08:11.630 --> 01:08:14.810
<v Ivan>Right you know tell the story is that

01:08:14.810 --> 01:08:17.810
<v Ivan>is that save a lot of money not as

01:08:17.810 --> 01:08:22.830
<v Ivan>far as i can tell here's the thing about it and the worst thing is that he's

01:08:22.830 --> 01:08:29.510
<v Ivan>going out is that there was the qatari government i many years ago had purchased

01:08:29.510 --> 01:08:35.790
<v Ivan>a brand new 747-8 which is the latest version of the 747 passenger one, okay?

01:08:36.130 --> 01:08:41.690
<v Ivan>And it outfitted for VIP trap, okay? It's an extremely, extremely posh,

01:08:42.170 --> 01:08:45.730
<v Ivan>over-the-top, ridiculous interior, okay?

01:08:47.350 --> 01:08:52.790
<v Ivan>And I know that the government, they've been trying to sell it for a long time, okay?

01:08:53.290 --> 01:08:58.190
<v Ivan>They're just not using it. And they're like, eh, don't sell this thing. It's ridiculous, okay?

01:08:58.810 --> 01:09:02.330
<v Ivan>So they've been shopping it, and apparently Trump went and saw this.

01:09:02.530 --> 01:09:08.310
<v Ivan>And so somehow they managed to, I guess, acquire this aircraft in some way.

01:09:08.730 --> 01:09:13.810
<v Ivan>And they're doing this conversion where they're adding all of this stuff to

01:09:13.810 --> 01:09:16.490
<v Ivan>this aircraft so Trump can travel on it.

01:09:16.550 --> 01:09:20.930
<v Ivan>And what they said is they're going to add it as a third aircraft to the fleet

01:09:20.930 --> 01:09:23.130
<v Ivan>of Air Force Ones right now.

01:09:24.370 --> 01:09:27.310
<v Ivan>Because they said that the air force had been looking to

01:09:27.310 --> 01:09:31.850
<v Ivan>make sure that they could get a third aircraft because you know the other aircraft

01:09:31.850 --> 01:09:36.110
<v Ivan>are old and they are old okay you know they're they're delivered in the 90s

01:09:36.110 --> 01:09:40.230
<v Ivan>okay and that you know for reliability and whatever to make sure that we could

01:09:40.230 --> 01:09:46.590
<v Ivan>have an aircraft that that can serve as a third aircraft okay you know i i really think that,

01:09:47.530 --> 01:09:52.110
<v Ivan>this is bullshit. Trump is just obsessed on getting a new fucking airplane. Okay?

01:09:52.350 --> 01:09:55.830
<v Ivan>He wants this new airplane. It looks a lot more luxurious than the current Air Force.

01:09:55.830 --> 01:09:56.730
<v Sam>He wants his new colors.

01:09:57.170 --> 01:10:01.690
<v Ivan>And he wants his new colors, okay, as well. He's insisting on changing the colors, okay?

01:10:01.970 --> 01:10:11.210
<v Ivan>But I have a feeling, I have a feeling that because how complex any of these renovations,

01:10:11.870 --> 01:10:16.690
<v Ivan>that need to be for him to be able to really use it, he's going to wind up again

01:10:16.690 --> 01:10:20.030
<v Ivan>we're going to have three fucking air three fucking air force ones that are

01:10:20.030 --> 01:10:24.350
<v Ivan>going to be under construction and none of them will be flyable anytime soon.

01:10:24.350 --> 01:10:30.270
<v Sam>Okay didn't didn't they say also that like some of the things they wanted to

01:10:30.270 --> 01:10:36.430
<v Sam>some of the requirements for air force one that aren't in the stock planes can't

01:10:36.430 --> 01:10:40.090
<v Sam>be retrofitted if you're not building it from scratch to be this?

01:10:40.630 --> 01:10:46.490
<v Ivan>I mean, it's very difficult to do so. You're basically having to fucking strip

01:10:46.490 --> 01:10:48.330
<v Ivan>apart the whole fucking plane to do so.

01:10:48.570 --> 01:10:52.950
<v Sam>And that's the problem. Are they going to let him fly it without all those things?

01:10:53.470 --> 01:10:57.370
<v Sam>Because that's a safety concern too, but this administration doesn't seem to care about that shit.

01:10:57.570 --> 01:10:58.930
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, look.

01:10:59.130 --> 01:11:00.010
<v Sam>And the national security.

01:11:00.010 --> 01:11:07.730
<v Ivan>Can I just say this? If Donald Trump puts himself at a security risk where he

01:11:07.730 --> 01:11:11.350
<v Ivan>gets shot down because, you know, he's an idiot because he wants to fly a new

01:11:11.350 --> 01:11:13.610
<v Ivan>fucking plane, I'm not going to be crying over it.

01:11:16.210 --> 01:11:18.030
<v Ivan>Because he's such a fucking asshole.

01:11:18.470 --> 01:11:25.530
<v Sam>And he doesn't put in, like, you know, whatever extra classified security stuff that Air Force One has.

01:11:26.470 --> 01:11:31.050
<v Ivan>Air Force One has fucking military countermeasures, you know,

01:11:31.190 --> 01:11:33.630
<v Ivan>that are a secret, you know, on that fucking plane.

01:11:33.910 --> 01:11:37.110
<v Ivan>I don't see how they're going to take a fucking stock 747-8.

01:11:37.110 --> 01:11:39.570
<v Sam>And we know this because of the movie with Harrison Ford.

01:11:41.820 --> 01:11:44.160
<v Ivan>No because i have not seen i've.

01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:45.520
<v Sam>Seen clips of it but i've not seen the.

01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:50.640
<v Ivan>Movie it's on the list i i some speculate that there are some things that are

01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.420
<v Ivan>shown in that movie that it has i think i'm guessing most not but i i am guessing

01:11:54.420 --> 01:12:00.100
<v Ivan>you know things that they have said is like stuff that blocks like laser aiming

01:12:00.100 --> 01:12:05.200
<v Ivan>and your radar jamming other kind of stuff like that I mean, the plane,

01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:07.760
<v Ivan>you know, you know, you're carrying, you know,

01:12:08.400 --> 01:12:11.600
<v Ivan>the it's he's not the leader of the free world anymore.

01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:13.100
<v Ivan>You're carrying this, you know,

01:12:13.180 --> 01:12:16.200
<v Ivan>the president of the United States on the thing. And so he's a target.

01:12:16.460 --> 01:12:19.800
<v Ivan>And so obviously you want as many security measures. Look,

01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:24.460
<v Ivan>the biggest mistake in this whole procurement thing with the fucking Air Force

01:12:24.460 --> 01:12:28.260
<v Ivan>jets was this whole thing where they decided to try to instead of building two

01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:33.780
<v Ivan>new airplanes to start with fucking refitting two. built.

01:12:34.200 --> 01:12:36.500
<v Sam>So the plan was to refit them anyway.

01:12:37.220 --> 01:12:40.740
<v Ivan>Well, not the Qatarian one.

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.120
<v Sam>No, but I mean the other ones that were part of the existing contract.

01:12:44.280 --> 01:12:48.780
<v Ivan>They took two, because they were bitching about how much it was going to cost.

01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:55.160
<v Ivan>And so they had, Boeing had produced two 747-8s for this Russian airline,

01:12:55.320 --> 01:12:59.300
<v Ivan>okay, that never took delivery of them because they went bankrupt, okay?

01:12:59.300 --> 01:13:02.780
<v Ivan>This was even before the same age and whatever, okay and

01:13:02.780 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Ivan>they decided that those are the fucking place that they were going to refit those

01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.380
<v Ivan>so that way technically supposed to save money and in the end it's it's they

01:13:10.380 --> 01:13:14.680
<v Ivan>haven't saved any money the project's been you know it's it's made the project

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:19.800
<v Ivan>so go so much slower and right now there was a message said the speculation

01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.960
<v Ivan>is that boeing won't be able to deliver these aircraft for another 10 years,

01:13:25.120 --> 01:13:33.160
<v Ivan>I mean, 10 years, they said 2035, which to me seems crazy because this thing

01:13:33.160 --> 01:13:35.660
<v Ivan>has been already going on for almost 10 years.

01:13:36.320 --> 01:13:37.740
<v Sam>Trump's going to have to fly commercial.

01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:43.000
<v Ivan>That would be great. You know, I'm sure that I will go, you know,

01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:47.920
<v Ivan>you know, I'm sure that will go perfectly fine. He won't be bothered by anybody.

01:13:48.580 --> 01:13:53.260
<v Sam>No, no. I mean, honestly, push comes to shove. The Air Force has lots of planes.

01:13:53.260 --> 01:13:56.900
<v Ivan>The Air Force definitely has quite a lot not all of them are.

01:13:56.900 --> 01:13:59.300
<v Sam>Like super comfy like Air Force One.

01:13:59.300 --> 01:14:04.280
<v Ivan>But there are a lot of comfy ones I mean you know there's 757s that are VIP

01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:11.560
<v Ivan>configuration there's other aircraft I mean you know there definitely are there are a number of

01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:20.880
<v Ivan>aircraft that we have private jets, Gulfstreams 757s, 737s I mean the Air Force

01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:25.200
<v Ivan>has a big ass fucking VIP fleet of aircraft, okay?

01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:31.020
<v Ivan>But, you know, he wants this guy, you know, hey, I'm gonna make everybody,

01:14:31.020 --> 01:14:35.940
<v Ivan>like, eat cake, but I, and have only two dolls instead of 30,

01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:39.540
<v Ivan>because apparently kids get 30 dolls for Christmas, okay, as we found out.

01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:42.140
<v Ivan>Of course. And I realize that they got, you know, most kids,

01:14:42.260 --> 01:14:46.060
<v Ivan>you know, got 30 Barbie dolls, okay, but now they're gonna get two.

01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:53.380
<v Ivan>And, you know, he's gonna get his, he wants his new, shiny 747. painted in its color.

01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:55.140
<v Sam>Right, of course.

01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.260
<v Ivan>It's the most ridiculous fucking thing ever.

01:14:59.550 --> 01:15:04.670
<v Sam>And it'll have a big copy of his face and striving to be an asshole on the side.

01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:08.390
<v Ivan>Oh, we'll get those shirts, yeah, for that, yeah.

01:15:08.790 --> 01:15:13.610
<v Ivan>I like, yeah, that's a great idea, yeah, yeah, good, good, yeah, I like it.

01:15:14.270 --> 01:15:16.190
<v Sam>Your 747 will have your face.

01:15:16.770 --> 01:15:21.370
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, we're going to get a 747 for Dicker Muggies' quarter, 747.

01:15:22.610 --> 01:15:25.730
<v Ivan>There's going to be a Dicker Muggies' quarter, 747, yes. You know,

01:15:25.890 --> 01:15:28.030
<v Ivan>that sounds like just, you know, yeah.

01:15:29.550 --> 01:15:33.650
<v Ivan>I mean, we need a 747. You know, I think there was a band, Iron Maiden,

01:15:33.830 --> 01:15:37.890
<v Ivan>that had bought some old 747-400s that were using for a tour.

01:15:38.070 --> 01:15:39.570
<v Ivan>But they did crash one of them.

01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:44.890
<v Ivan>So I don't think, I really, you know, it's not a good omen, you know,

01:15:44.910 --> 01:15:48.110
<v Ivan>to see that they crash one. I think it was in Chile or something that they crashed one.

01:15:49.210 --> 01:15:53.350
<v Ivan>I don't, I think we can, I think we can just stick to commercial.

01:15:53.890 --> 01:15:55.490
<v Sam>Okay. We can do that.

01:15:55.890 --> 01:15:57.490
<v Ivan>We can do that. We can do that.

01:15:57.490 --> 01:16:02.670
<v Sam>Okay, let's take a break, and then it's my side, my side, my turn, unless you have more.

01:16:02.790 --> 01:16:07.070
<v Sam>You have more Trumpy first hundred days stuff that you're anxious to get out?

01:16:07.550 --> 01:16:11.150
<v Ivan>Uh, no, no. Let's, let's go.

01:16:12.710 --> 01:16:15.890
<v Sam>Okay. Here we go, then. Here comes the break. Now, remember,

01:16:16.170 --> 01:16:20.170
<v Sam>you do not get to take this break. I am taking this break.

01:16:20.850 --> 01:16:26.150
<v Sam>During this break, you need to recite Hamlet's soliloquy. Got this?

01:16:27.150 --> 01:16:30.010
<v Sam>You got it, Seth? Okay, here we go.

01:17:07.610 --> 01:17:13.170
<v Sam>Okay, so Yvonne had to step away for a second during the break,

01:17:13.190 --> 01:17:19.190
<v Sam>so I will read Hamlet's soliloquy while waiting for him to get back.

01:17:20.410 --> 01:17:23.590
<v Sam>To be or not to be, that is the question.

01:17:23.770 --> 01:17:27.330
<v Sam>Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous

01:17:27.330 --> 01:17:35.490
<v Sam>fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them, to die, to sleep no more.

01:17:35.750 --> 01:17:42.850
<v Sam>And by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.

01:17:43.130 --> 01:17:48.810
<v Sam>Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished, to die, to sleep, to sleep,

01:17:49.090 --> 01:17:51.590
<v Sam>per chance to dream. Ay, there's the rub.

01:17:51.970 --> 01:17:55.770
<v Sam>When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause.

01:17:56.130 --> 01:17:59.810
<v Sam>There's the respect that makes calamity of so long life.

01:18:00.010 --> 01:18:03.230
<v Sam>For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,

01:18:03.530 --> 01:18:07.390
<v Sam>the oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,

01:18:07.610 --> 01:18:12.610
<v Sam>the pangs of dispersed love, the law's delay, the insolence of office,

01:18:12.770 --> 01:18:18.330
<v Sam>and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes, when he himself might

01:18:18.330 --> 01:18:20.750
<v Sam>his quietus make with a bare bodkin.

01:18:20.990 --> 01:18:26.970
<v Sam>Who would Fardal's bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life but that the dread

01:18:26.970 --> 01:18:28.330
<v Sam>of something after death,

01:18:28.490 --> 01:18:31.370
<v Sam>the undiscovered country from whose born

01:18:31.370 --> 01:18:34.770
<v Sam>no traveler returns puzzles the will

01:18:34.770 --> 01:18:37.530
<v Sam>and makes us rather bear those ills we

01:18:37.530 --> 01:18:40.510
<v Sam>have than fly to others that we know not of

01:18:40.510 --> 01:18:47.390
<v Sam>thus conscious dust make cowards of us all and thus the native hue of resolution

01:18:47.390 --> 01:18:53.290
<v Sam>is sickly door with the pale cast of thought and enterprises of great pith and

01:18:53.290 --> 01:18:59.350
<v Sam>moment with this regard their currents turn awry and lose the name of action.

01:19:00.730 --> 01:19:02.810
<v Sam>There we go and yvonne is back,

01:19:05.630 --> 01:19:12.790
<v Sam>wow there you go stunning simply stunning hamlet soliloquy not from memory i did read it,

01:19:13.430 --> 01:19:18.570
<v Sam>yeah i i only know like the first couple lines of it i do i do know to be or

01:19:18.570 --> 01:19:21.170
<v Sam>not to be that is the question whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the

01:19:21.170 --> 01:19:24.830
<v Sam>slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles

01:19:24.830 --> 01:19:29.530
<v Sam>and by opposing end them i only get to that's as much as i don't know that's as much as i.

01:19:29.530 --> 01:19:31.970
<v Ivan>Only get to the part where it says that is the question.

01:19:33.450 --> 01:19:40.130
<v Sam>Okay alex is covering my eyes to be or not to be that is the question whether

01:19:40.130 --> 01:19:43.850
<v Sam>it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune

01:19:43.850 --> 01:19:47.150
<v Sam>or by opposing end them did i miss something there.

01:19:47.150 --> 01:19:48.150
<v Ivan>You go did.

01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:52.570
<v Sam>I miss something or to take arms against a sea of troubles i did miss one line

01:19:52.570 --> 01:19:55.230
<v Sam>i missed one no well anyway better.

01:19:55.230 --> 01:19:55.910
<v Ivan>Than what i could do.

01:19:55.910 --> 01:19:57.490
<v Sam>So it's my turn I don't know.

01:19:57.970 --> 01:20:02.370
<v Sam>And I don't feel like talking about Donald Trump.

01:20:02.710 --> 01:20:07.150
<v Sam>I have a thing on the list about talking about trade and tariffs and all that

01:20:07.150 --> 01:20:08.790
<v Sam>kind of stuff. I don't feel like it either.

01:20:09.170 --> 01:20:14.690
<v Sam>We did have elections in Canada and actually Australia, both of which did not

01:20:14.690 --> 01:20:16.030
<v Sam>go the conservative way.

01:20:16.590 --> 01:20:22.430
<v Sam>We have some tech stuff with Apple and Meta. But no, what I feel like talking about is blue sky.

01:20:22.610 --> 01:20:25.550
<v Sam>We haven't talked about the social media landscape in a long time.

01:20:26.890 --> 01:20:31.130
<v Sam>And recently, like in the last few weeks, you know, for a long time,

01:20:31.250 --> 01:20:34.450
<v Sam>I've had, I've had a blue sky account. I had a threads account.

01:20:35.170 --> 01:20:39.250
<v Sam>I obviously, you know, I didn't actually cancel the X account,

01:20:39.370 --> 01:20:42.550
<v Sam>but I haven't logged in in years at this point, I haven't logged in in forever.

01:20:43.210 --> 01:20:48.230
<v Sam>And I've mostly been using my Mastodon account, but I was hearing more and more

01:20:48.230 --> 01:20:50.050
<v Sam>activity around Blue Sky.

01:20:50.490 --> 01:20:56.810
<v Sam>Like, when Threads first launched, a bunch of sort of the journalists and celebrities

01:20:56.810 --> 01:21:00.250
<v Sam>and academics and such, they were all going to Threads.

01:21:00.250 --> 01:21:06.450
<v Sam>But threads sort of plateaued and they threads also made a very conscious decision.

01:21:06.630 --> 01:21:11.890
<v Sam>They said as much where they did not want to be a platform for breaking news.

01:21:11.890 --> 01:21:16.390
<v Sam>So they were not optimizing it in a way to sort of surface those.

01:21:16.490 --> 01:21:20.450
<v Sam>Now I was always just looking at the following feed anyway, not the recommended

01:21:20.450 --> 01:21:26.450
<v Sam>algorithmic feed, but, but threads sort of seem to have plateaued for that kind of stuff.

01:21:26.750 --> 01:21:29.570
<v Sam>And we got to a point where it seemed like all of the.

01:21:30.290 --> 01:21:36.190
<v Sam>News organizations and reporters and scientists and all of those kinds of folks,

01:21:36.770 --> 01:21:41.710
<v Sam>all of the internet personalities that once upon a time I followed on Twitter,

01:21:42.010 --> 01:21:48.010
<v Sam>who had left Twitter and not ended up on Mastodon, it seemed like they were all going to Blue Sky.

01:21:48.270 --> 01:21:51.650
<v Sam>So I decided to give it another try.

01:21:52.110 --> 01:21:55.890
<v Sam>I mean, I'd still, both threads in Blue Sky, I'd been logging in every once

01:21:55.890 --> 01:21:58.730
<v Sam>in a while and just sort of looking at it. But I wasn't taking it seriously.

01:21:59.030 --> 01:22:03.910
<v Sam>I wasn't spending a lot of time there. I wasn't taking time to make sure I was

01:22:03.910 --> 01:22:05.810
<v Sam>following the people I wanted to follow.

01:22:06.170 --> 01:22:08.330
<v Sam>So a couple of weeks ago, I started doing that.

01:22:09.210 --> 01:22:16.790
<v Sam>And also, I was prompted, like, you know, on Mastodon, I use Ivory as my main client.

01:22:17.090 --> 01:22:21.410
<v Sam>The people who make Ivory, Tapabots, announced

01:22:21.410 --> 01:22:24.990
<v Sam>like a month ago that they are going to be making a blue sky client

01:22:24.990 --> 01:22:27.910
<v Sam>as well okay it's not okay you're not it's not actually

01:22:27.910 --> 01:22:30.750
<v Sam>going to be out until sometime in the summer and even then

01:22:30.750 --> 01:22:35.330
<v Sam>only in like alpha or something some sort of developer preview and so probably

01:22:35.330 --> 01:22:40.030
<v Sam>late this year by the time it has general availability but i'm like okay i'll

01:22:40.030 --> 01:22:44.650
<v Sam>try it and and for now i'll use the official client so i've been i've been playing

01:22:44.650 --> 01:22:50.550
<v Sam>with blue sky more i've and and i've i've been And the main thing also,

01:22:50.730 --> 01:22:55.690
<v Sam>when I was using Blue Sky before, I was only looking at it. I was not posting. I was not replying.

01:22:55.890 --> 01:23:00.390
<v Sam>I was not favoriting. I was not engaging anyway on Blue Sky. I was only looking.

01:23:00.970 --> 01:23:05.690
<v Sam>I've started to do all those things. I've started to make sure I'm checking

01:23:05.690 --> 01:23:12.030
<v Sam>Blue Sky on a regular basis, make sure I'm following more and more people I'm interested in.

01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:17.620
<v Sam>I've been, one of the things that Blue Sky allows is it lets you subscribe to

01:23:17.620 --> 01:23:22.620
<v Sam>custom feeds that are created in a few different ways. I subscribe to a few of those.

01:23:22.740 --> 01:23:26.800
<v Sam>So I have like, I have my regular following feed. I have another feed that's

01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:31.720
<v Sam>just mutual followers, like people who I follow who also follow me back.

01:23:31.900 --> 01:23:37.560
<v Sam>I have a feed that's my following feed, but only original posts, not reposts.

01:23:37.780 --> 01:23:41.960
<v Sam>I've got some for news and for science and a few other things.

01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:43.700
<v Sam>So I've been trying to make use of it.

01:23:43.820 --> 01:23:49.740
<v Sam>I also, by the way, I set up the wiki of the day, Blue Sky, and set up the automation for that.

01:23:49.900 --> 01:23:54.140
<v Sam>I also have set up a curmudgeon's corner, Blue Sky, but I haven't set up the

01:23:54.140 --> 01:23:57.380
<v Sam>automation for that yet. We'll see it. I'll do it at some point.

01:23:58.140 --> 01:24:01.580
<v Sam>And so it posts new episodes when they come out and stuff like that.

01:24:02.240 --> 01:24:11.460
<v Sam>And by the way, I set those all up with my domain. So I'm no longer ablesmay.bsky.social on Blue Sky.

01:24:11.460 --> 01:24:15.380
<v Sam>I'm just applesmay.com on social and the wiki of the day one is wiki of the

01:24:15.380 --> 01:24:20.740
<v Sam>day.com on blue sky and curmudgeons corners curmudgeons hyphen corner.com on blue sky.

01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:24.560
<v Sam>So go follow us even though there's nothing on the curmudgeons corner one yet.

01:24:25.460 --> 01:24:32.540
<v Sam>Bottom line, my initial, I don't yet think I have a full experience that I want

01:24:32.540 --> 01:24:34.540
<v Sam>there. I'm not following enough people yet.

01:24:34.860 --> 01:24:38.440
<v Sam>And I probably want to have a few more rules. Like one thing I haven't found

01:24:38.440 --> 01:24:42.420
<v Sam>on blue sky yet. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough, is the equivalent of lists.

01:24:42.980 --> 01:24:47.520
<v Sam>I make heavy use of lists, and I guess maybe I could make my own feed.

01:24:47.540 --> 01:24:49.840
<v Sam>That would essentially be what a list is.

01:24:50.140 --> 01:24:54.560
<v Sam>But in the previous platforms, in Twitter and then in Mastodon,

01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:55.920
<v Sam>I've made heavy use of lists.

01:24:56.100 --> 01:25:00.760
<v Sam>Specifically, I'll have all of the people I follow, and there's that feed,

01:25:00.860 --> 01:25:06.160
<v Sam>but I make another feed that's just people who post about the news. Yeah.

01:25:06.510 --> 01:25:09.610
<v Sam>And I actually spend most of my time on that list.

01:25:12.490 --> 01:25:15.790
<v Sam>And so I don't quite have the equivalent of that yet.

01:25:16.590 --> 01:25:21.450
<v Sam>I did subscribe to a news custom feed on Blue Sky, but it's not the same.

01:25:21.690 --> 01:25:25.810
<v Sam>Because mine is people who talk about the news and post about the news a lot,

01:25:25.910 --> 01:25:29.390
<v Sam>not just news stories from news sources, which is what that news feed is.

01:25:30.570 --> 01:25:36.950
<v Sam>But the main thing is just, yeah, I'm finding a lot of the people who I used to follow on Twitter,

01:25:37.450 --> 01:25:42.530
<v Sam>that I have not seen much of for a couple years now because they weren't on

01:25:42.530 --> 01:25:46.970
<v Sam>Mastodon and I wasn't checking the other places on any sort of regular basis.

01:25:47.270 --> 01:25:51.450
<v Sam>And I'm finding them now on Blue Sky, which I'm like, oh, that person.

01:25:51.450 --> 01:25:53.730
<v Sam>I haven't seen them in a long time.

01:25:54.130 --> 01:25:56.770
<v Sam>And it's kind of refreshing to see some of those people again.

01:25:57.030 --> 01:26:00.330
<v Sam>And, you know, I'm still building up my experience there.

01:26:00.730 --> 01:26:06.330
<v Sam>And, you know, I think, you know, So since I, and I guess Blue Sky is all the following feed.

01:26:06.490 --> 01:26:09.830
<v Sam>I mean, some of these custom feeds are algorithmic feeds. Like there's a Discover

01:26:09.830 --> 01:26:13.650
<v Sam>feed and there's a best of your followers.

01:26:13.910 --> 01:26:17.230
<v Sam>There are a few different algorithmic feeds you can follow. But the default

01:26:17.230 --> 01:26:20.850
<v Sam>is here's a chronological feed of the people that you follow.

01:26:21.290 --> 01:26:25.750
<v Sam>And for that kind of feed to be good, you need to be following a lot of people.

01:26:25.870 --> 01:26:27.170
<v Sam>And I'm still working on building up.

01:26:27.610 --> 01:26:31.870
<v Ivan>Well, one of the things is that, I mean, I have been, and I guess maybe the

01:26:31.870 --> 01:26:33.250
<v Ivan>reason why I think, I mean,

01:26:33.430 --> 01:26:37.950
<v Ivan>you started jumping more Blue Sky because I had been using it more in the last

01:26:37.950 --> 01:26:43.430
<v Ivan>six months, maybe a little bit more around there than I started using it,

01:26:43.490 --> 01:26:44.950
<v Ivan>more than I had been using Mastodon.

01:26:45.650 --> 01:26:52.910
<v Ivan>And, well, I must admit that at first I avoided Blue Sky because you remember

01:26:52.910 --> 01:26:54.830
<v Ivan>how originally it was invite only.

01:26:54.830 --> 01:26:59.090
<v Sam>It was invite only, and I had someone who was offering to give you an invite,

01:26:59.150 --> 01:27:00.150
<v Sam>and you were like, I don't want it.

01:27:00.150 --> 01:27:04.750
<v Ivan>Well the main reason I didn't want it is because to be clear I mean it was really

01:27:04.750 --> 01:27:10.170
<v Ivan>like Jack Dorsey was one of the driving forces at fucking Blue Sky Jack Dorsey is another fucking,

01:27:11.050 --> 01:27:13.990
<v Ivan>well that's the one thing that changed significantly because he

01:27:13.990 --> 01:27:17.650
<v Ivan>was originally one of driving forces at Blue Sky and Jack Dorsey is a fucking

01:27:17.650 --> 01:27:21.290
<v Ivan>asshole and I'm like no man I'm just you don't want to just trade one asshole

01:27:21.290 --> 01:27:31.750
<v Ivan>for another exactly I'm like I know that it threads at Meta well I mean You know, yeah.

01:27:33.510 --> 01:27:40.890
<v Ivan>Meta is complicated because, you know, Zuckerberg is a fucking grifter.

01:27:42.230 --> 01:27:48.070
<v Ivan>But but now he's gone like full, you know, well, I don't know.

01:27:48.190 --> 01:27:51.690
<v Ivan>I don't know if he believes any of his own bullshit, you know, Trump won.

01:27:51.870 --> 01:27:56.550
<v Ivan>And he's like, oh, yeah, listen, here's my I'm taking my shirt.

01:27:56.970 --> 01:28:00.690
<v Ivan>I'm a new shirt. I'm back. I know, baby. I'm like, oh, for the love of God,

01:28:00.770 --> 01:28:03.230
<v Ivan>he's like, you know, ah, that's it.

01:28:04.530 --> 01:28:08.790
<v Ivan>Zuck is like Marco Rubio. That's who he is.

01:28:09.330 --> 01:28:14.110
<v Ivan>Fucking like exactly like him. He may not believe any of this bullshit or whatever

01:28:14.110 --> 01:28:17.110
<v Ivan>whatnot, but he'll fucking put whatever shirt gets of money,

01:28:17.110 --> 01:28:19.270
<v Ivan>he'll put that fucking thing on. Okay?

01:28:20.550 --> 01:28:24.370
<v Ivan>And, you know, all these things with the moderation, and when Zuck and I saw

01:28:24.370 --> 01:28:26.970
<v Ivan>this shit with the moderation changes and whatnot, I was like,

01:28:27.070 --> 01:28:29.350
<v Ivan>oh, maybe we should go back and fucking look at Blue Sky.

01:28:29.610 --> 01:28:34.050
<v Ivan>Especially since Dorsey left. Okay? And so I've been using it,

01:28:34.210 --> 01:28:35.610
<v Ivan>and that's the one thing that I noticed.

01:28:35.750 --> 01:28:39.650
<v Ivan>Like you just noticed, there's a lot of people that actually have been on Twitter

01:28:39.650 --> 01:28:42.770
<v Ivan>that definitely have not jumped the threads that are there.

01:28:42.770 --> 01:28:43.890
<v Sam>Or Mastodon, yep.

01:28:44.310 --> 01:28:49.650
<v Ivan>Or Mastodon. And so, yes, it has been quite refreshing to see these people there.

01:28:49.810 --> 01:28:53.690
<v Ivan>And I will tell you this, that I've still been using threads significantly.

01:28:55.030 --> 01:28:58.310
<v Ivan>And look, there's been a lot of...

01:28:59.420 --> 01:29:06.660
<v Ivan>At this point, almost everybody that I used to follow in Twitter regularly,

01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:10.900
<v Ivan>or stuff that I was interested in, is available in these other places.

01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:20.840
<v Ivan>There is only one thing that I will say that I miss, and it's many times when

01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:23.320
<v Ivan>we're watching a sporting event, a live sporting event.

01:29:23.320 --> 01:29:31.760
<v Ivan>So Twitter had these easy-to-follow threads related to the events.

01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:40.220
<v Ivan>I haven't seen neither Blue Sky or threads have replicated that experience,

01:29:40.220 --> 01:29:44.200
<v Ivan>that it works in the same way, where you're seeing people comment on real-time

01:29:44.200 --> 01:29:45.460
<v Ivan>on what the fuck is going on.

01:29:46.780 --> 01:29:53.900
<v Ivan>And Mastodon does have that. And actually, it does work decently.

01:29:54.100 --> 01:29:58.600
<v Ivan>The thing is that there just aren't as many people there following those things.

01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.780
<v Ivan>And so it's just not as engaging.

01:30:03.740 --> 01:30:10.420
<v Ivan>But there definitely are. That is something that is far more workable in Macedon.

01:30:10.500 --> 01:30:13.520
<v Ivan>But it's just the critical masses in there. So that is the one thing that I

01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.920
<v Ivan>will say that is a little bit.

01:30:16.040 --> 01:30:24.520
<v Ivan>But other than that, for the rest, I'm, you know, I've gone on Blue Sky.

01:30:24.700 --> 01:30:30.920
<v Ivan>There's definitely a lot of people there that weren't on threads that are there.

01:30:31.280 --> 01:30:37.600
<v Ivan>I mean, I only have like one list or one of these like featured like,

01:30:37.700 --> 01:30:41.400
<v Ivan>you know, feeds that I'm following.

01:30:41.400 --> 01:30:44.100
<v Ivan>I'm not following more I haven't found like more than

01:30:44.100 --> 01:30:46.800
<v Ivan>I that I really like I for the most part what I

01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:50.460
<v Ivan>did is I do think that I did start following a lot of people and I'm getting

01:30:50.460 --> 01:30:54.260
<v Ivan>a lot of what they're posting which is interesting to me so I did take care

01:30:54.260 --> 01:30:58.300
<v Ivan>take time to do that and so that's been so that's been the way that I've been

01:30:58.300 --> 01:31:05.200
<v Ivan>using it but you know look I think that these will evolve yeah,

01:31:05.910 --> 01:31:15.530
<v Ivan>positively uh in some way i'm thinking uh the lady who leads uh blue sky i see

01:31:15.530 --> 01:31:20.670
<v Ivan>her face i can't remember her name she seems trying to not replicate the same

01:31:20.670 --> 01:31:22.750
<v Ivan>mistakes done at at shitter.

01:31:25.390 --> 01:31:33.290
<v Ivan>Um and so you know for now it's a much better place to be than at that than

01:31:33.290 --> 01:31:35.370
<v Ivan>definitely at shitter, that's for sure.

01:31:35.510 --> 01:31:38.490
<v Sam>You're thinking of Jay Graber, by the way, the CEO of Blue Sky.

01:31:38.990 --> 01:31:42.690
<v Ivan>Jay Graber. Okay, there you go. I don't remember her name. I can see her face,

01:31:42.910 --> 01:31:46.990
<v Ivan>but I don't, you know, I'm terrible with names and faces. Like, but fucking Jesus.

01:31:48.230 --> 01:31:52.930
<v Ivan>So that's, yeah, I mean, I am using it quite a lot in recent past.

01:31:52.930 --> 01:31:58.830
<v Sam>The one thing that's getting me, though, and to be honest here, is the split.

01:31:59.470 --> 01:32:02.070
<v Sam>Like, using more than one is a pain.

01:32:02.510 --> 01:32:06.430
<v Ivan>Well, yeah. I mean, That is the one thing that happened with,

01:32:06.430 --> 01:32:10.850
<v Ivan>with, with, with Elon's takeover that, that the audience has been fragmented

01:32:10.850 --> 01:32:14.970
<v Ivan>significantly, you know, you're not on one place following, you know.

01:32:14.970 --> 01:32:21.150
<v Sam>I mean, I feel like at this point I'm, I'm checking, I'm checking Facebook itself.

01:32:21.450 --> 01:32:25.430
<v Sam>I'm checking threads. I'm checking Mastodon. I'm checking Blue Sky.

01:32:25.770 --> 01:32:30.650
<v Sam>Now I had been in a mode of like Mastodon was where I was all the time.

01:32:30.650 --> 01:32:33.890
<v Sam>And I would check the others like once a day or twice a day or something.

01:32:34.390 --> 01:32:39.450
<v Sam>Whereas, whereas Mastodon, I'd be checking like at least hourly, you know?

01:32:39.570 --> 01:32:40.050
<v Ivan>Right, right, right.

01:32:40.310 --> 01:32:42.650
<v Sam>But whereas now it's more like.

01:32:43.970 --> 01:32:49.770
<v Sam>I'm checking both blue stick, blue sky and Mastodon on sort of a roughly hourly

01:32:49.770 --> 01:32:53.030
<v Sam>basis and the others may be daily and then tick tock.

01:32:53.150 --> 01:32:57.670
<v Sam>It's a different kind of thing, but then, then tick tock. But, um, well, well.

01:32:57.670 --> 01:33:01.010
<v Ivan>Well, you say that it's different. It's different because it's video form,

01:33:01.150 --> 01:33:04.870
<v Ivan>but the reality is a lot of people are getting the information, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:05.070 --> 01:33:08.350
<v Sam>It still takes time and it's a different format, but like if you,

01:33:08.390 --> 01:33:13.010
<v Sam>if you talk about what sucks up more of my time, tick tocks right up there with the rest.

01:33:13.390 --> 01:33:18.070
<v Sam>But if you, but for this kind of stuff, it really is the text-based platforms I'm talking about.

01:33:19.010 --> 01:33:22.950
<v Sam>But even then it's like, okay. And if I'm going to participate,

01:33:23.170 --> 01:33:25.730
<v Sam>if I'm going to repost something, or if I'm going to answer something,

01:33:26.310 --> 01:33:29.370
<v Sam>do I, if I post something, do I post it in both places?

01:33:29.490 --> 01:33:32.130
<v Sam>Do I post it in one? Do I reply in one? Do I reply another?

01:33:32.410 --> 01:33:36.010
<v Sam>And for the most part, I'm thinking like wherever I see it first is where I'm

01:33:36.010 --> 01:33:39.470
<v Sam>going to interact with it. But that then splits my presence too.

01:33:41.170 --> 01:33:43.690
<v Sam>And yeah, I don't, I don't know. it's it's like.

01:33:43.690 --> 01:33:46.690
<v Ivan>Well look and i i was checking to

01:33:46.690 --> 01:33:50.050
<v Ivan>see what i'm using like on my uh screen time oh

01:33:50.050 --> 01:33:53.030
<v Ivan>yeah let me check my screen time and this confirms what i

01:33:53.030 --> 01:33:56.130
<v Ivan>what i was what i was pretty confident of okay

01:33:56.130 --> 01:34:03.110
<v Ivan>i am using threads a lot okay but almost about the same amount the place where

01:34:03.110 --> 01:34:09.950
<v Ivan>i'm getting most of my news is actually the apple news app okay yeah i i am

01:34:09.950 --> 01:34:14.590
<v Ivan>like the the reality is that there are a number of reasons why that is.

01:34:14.710 --> 01:34:19.470
<v Ivan>Apple has actually improved. One thing that was annoying about the Apple News

01:34:19.470 --> 01:34:24.270
<v Ivan>app in recent time is that it's being far...

01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:29.820
<v Ivan>Far faster at displaying to you recent news events, okay?

01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:34.760
<v Ivan>Because it used to be that when you scrolled, it wasn't unless you dug down

01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:39.380
<v Ivan>into latest news in certain areas or whatever, it's gotten way better at,

01:34:39.780 --> 01:34:42.640
<v Ivan>hey, something's happening like right now, and boom, it's right there on the

01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:43.800
<v Ivan>feed. It's right there on the feed.

01:34:44.060 --> 01:34:49.540
<v Ivan>And it's a place where the great thing about the news app is that,

01:34:49.700 --> 01:34:53.440
<v Ivan>look, I follow all these different publications, okay,

01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:56.380
<v Ivan>for news, and it's consolidating like

01:34:56.380 --> 01:34:59.480
<v Ivan>into for you for example i got bloomberg story

01:34:59.480 --> 01:35:02.340
<v Ivan>npr story espn story a guard guardian story

01:35:02.340 --> 01:35:08.260
<v Ivan>palm beach post washington post reuters you know you know all these news on

01:35:08.260 --> 01:35:14.620
<v Ivan>and and on the things that i selected for me that are you know relevant and

01:35:14.620 --> 01:35:19.800
<v Ivan>timely okay and it's not just from one source of news okay yeah i've never.

01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:24.580
<v Sam>Taken the time to like figure out how to use apple news effectively.

01:35:24.580 --> 01:35:27.540
<v Ivan>I spent a lot of time figuring out which was

01:35:27.540 --> 01:35:30.400
<v Ivan>to follow law whatever so like when

01:35:30.400 --> 01:35:34.920
<v Ivan>i look here like you know stories that came out in the last you know recently

01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:38.620
<v Ivan>for example multiple stories on what warren buffett spoke about is this morning

01:35:38.620 --> 01:35:42.240
<v Ivan>on tariffs for example that's something you didn't want to talk about you know

01:35:42.240 --> 01:35:47.100
<v Ivan>a story nine minutes ago from here palm beach county you know something about

01:35:47.100 --> 01:35:49.720
<v Ivan>what to know about alligator mating season.

01:35:49.980 --> 01:35:52.960
<v Ivan>Okay. Very critical for us to know, like over here, you know,

01:35:53.200 --> 01:35:57.360
<v Ivan>but, but number of timely stuff here, something that Trump just said a little

01:35:57.360 --> 01:36:01.380
<v Ivan>bit ago, Trump draws criticism after posting an AI image of himself as the Pope,

01:36:01.740 --> 01:36:04.720
<v Ivan>you know, that that's been going around. That's a, it's a good one.

01:36:04.900 --> 01:36:07.920
<v Ivan>Global factories over struggling to overcome Trump tariffs.

01:36:08.140 --> 01:36:11.640
<v Ivan>So, you know, the F1 races are on right now.

01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:16.240
<v Ivan>I've got this. There's a number of stories about what's going on in the racing in the last few hours.

01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:23.180
<v Ivan>I took a lot of time picking which ones, subjects, doing that and whatnot.

01:36:26.280 --> 01:36:31.160
<v Ivan>In order for me to get news, it's better.

01:36:31.420 --> 01:36:36.580
<v Ivan>I will say that the one thing that I also like, that I realize that Apple News

01:36:36.580 --> 01:36:39.660
<v Ivan>Plus, is they expand a lot which magazines are included.

01:36:41.740 --> 01:36:47.060
<v Ivan>You get the Atlantic. you get the new yorker you get new york magazine you know

01:36:47.060 --> 01:36:50.600
<v Ivan>all of these that have to have a separate subscription no they're all included in the.

01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:54.860
<v Sam>And this is this is something by the by the way like i think it was new york

01:36:54.860 --> 01:36:59.540
<v Sam>magazine that had the profile on fetterman a couple days ago and yes exactly and i got.

01:36:59.540 --> 01:37:01.400
<v Ivan>And they got new york magazine and i read.

01:37:01.400 --> 01:37:05.920
<v Sam>A lot and and here's well my story is like i saw that reference several times

01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.340
<v Sam>i clicked the link there was the paywall so i couldn't read it and i was like

01:37:09.340 --> 01:37:14.640
<v Sam>oh well i guess i'm not going to read it but and then i realized I said, I did say to myself,

01:37:14.820 --> 01:37:18.680
<v Sam>you know, you probably have this in Apple news and can probably read the whole

01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:21.360
<v Sam>article, but I was like, oh, but that's a pain. I'm not going to bother.

01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:24.800
<v Ivan>Didn't I share the link on the Fetterman article?

01:37:25.100 --> 01:37:27.900
<v Sam>I don't think we shared that on the Commudgeons Corner Slack.

01:37:28.500 --> 01:37:31.460
<v Sam>Like, I was going to share it, but I didn't find one without the paywall,

01:37:31.620 --> 01:37:33.060
<v Sam>and I didn't bother to look at Apple News.

01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:39.600
<v Ivan>Okay, well, I know I did read it, and I realize I'll make it easy for you because I didn't read it.

01:37:39.740 --> 01:37:43.160
<v Sam>So for anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about, there was an article

01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:45.880
<v Sam>on Fetterman's mental health, which is apparently not good.

01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:46.940
<v Ivan>Right.

01:37:47.280 --> 01:37:47.880
<v Sam>That's the subject.

01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:52.120
<v Ivan>And that it's been deteriorating over the last couple of years.

01:37:52.120 --> 01:37:53.560
<v Ivan>Significantly and there was like and.

01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:57.280
<v Sam>His staff is seriously concerned about his condition and whether.

01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:00.020
<v Ivan>And there was an incident there was an incident recently there

01:38:00.020 --> 01:38:03.220
<v Ivan>was like also on what the heck where the heck was it on on it

01:38:03.220 --> 01:38:06.400
<v Ivan>was like on some social media here it is john fetterman struggle here it is

01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:11.820
<v Ivan>there we go there see so this is the thing i'm getting you know all of this

01:38:11.820 --> 01:38:17.360
<v Ivan>shit i'm getting through here right and you know and i'm not having to pay seven

01:38:17.360 --> 01:38:21.240
<v Ivan>i'm not having to go through seven different sites and subscribe to seven different subscriptions.

01:38:21.380 --> 01:38:24.960
<v Sam>You pay for the one bundle to Apple. It's not like you don't pay,

01:38:24.980 --> 01:38:27.080
<v Sam>but you pay Apple the one price and you get a whole bunch.

01:38:27.100 --> 01:38:29.620
<v Ivan>You pay Apple the one bundle and you get I mean, that's the one thing.

01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.400
<v Ivan>It's like we're talking about cable bundles and the non-bundling, whatever.

01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:36.680
<v Ivan>Fuck. You know what? I'm getting the bundle here. I'm not having to subscribe

01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.600
<v Ivan>to each one of these damn publications separately. I'm going to Apple.

01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:43.420
<v Ivan>I get my News Plus. I get all these really good publications.

01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:47.180
<v Ivan>You know, so I just shared the Fender Runner article for you so you can go like

01:38:47.180 --> 01:38:51.020
<v Ivan>read it. So, but, but yeah, so, so I also, by the way, here's another one.

01:38:51.140 --> 01:38:52.100
<v Ivan>That's a big one that's in here.

01:38:52.480 --> 01:38:55.820
<v Ivan>Wall Street journals included no extra chart. Okay. All right.

01:38:55.980 --> 01:38:56.140
<v Sam>Okay.

01:38:56.260 --> 01:38:59.560
<v Ivan>Wall Street journal in, in, in Apple news plus. And that's the reason why I

01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:02.860
<v Ivan>share a lot of journal articles. It's included in there at no extra charts.

01:39:03.360 --> 01:39:07.680
<v Ivan>And that in and of itself is 300. That's a subscription of $300 a year that

01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:11.040
<v Ivan>I don't pay anymore because I realized, Oh, it's free at Apple news.

01:39:11.180 --> 01:39:12.200
<v Ivan>Fuck this. I'm not paying.

01:39:12.500 --> 01:39:15.580
<v Ivan>I'm not paying for the wall street journal subscription. It's in here for free.

01:39:16.360 --> 01:39:20.200
<v Ivan>So, you know, so that's, that's the one that I've been using.

01:39:20.240 --> 01:39:25.000
<v Ivan>I did spend, I will tell you that I did spend quite a lot of time in,

01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.980
<v Ivan>in the section picking what are my favorites, what things I want,

01:39:28.200 --> 01:39:30.740
<v Ivan>not blah, blah, blah, the channels and topics,

01:39:31.320 --> 01:39:37.160
<v Ivan>you know, and blocking shit that I didn't like, you know, it's not the best interface for that.

01:39:37.320 --> 01:39:40.240
<v Ivan>I will say that they should, they need to work on that.

01:39:40.380 --> 01:39:44.400
<v Ivan>And one thing that I, that I've said before is that they should have a way to

01:39:44.400 --> 01:39:45.480
<v Ivan>block certain subjects.

01:39:45.480 --> 01:39:48.960
<v Sam>Is there a single feed where you just get all the magazines you followed?

01:39:49.580 --> 01:39:51.120
<v Ivan>Yes. Okay. Yes.

01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:52.800
<v Sam>You'll have to show me how.

01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Ivan>That's in the News Plus tab. That's where you get that.

01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:59.000
<v Sam>It's not in the following tab.

01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.720
<v Ivan>No, it's in the News Plus tab. The magazines are in the News Plus tab.

01:40:02.740 --> 01:40:04.780
<v Sam>In my magazine? Where is that? Where is that?

01:40:05.200 --> 01:40:09.540
<v Ivan>Yeah. If you get in the, no, there is the, well, you get the best of News Pluses

01:40:09.540 --> 01:40:13.200
<v Ivan>selected, the magazines that you select, and it'll show you the ones that are, you know.

01:40:14.140 --> 01:40:19.600
<v Sam>Okay. I'll experiment later. But I did, by the way, look up my...

01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:29.480
<v Sam>So this isn't entirely representative because last week was the week I had surgery, but whatever.

01:40:30.180 --> 01:40:33.140
<v Ivan>They don't have the best interface. I will say this, but the thing is,

01:40:33.740 --> 01:40:35.680
<v Ivan>they need to approve this.

01:40:35.860 --> 01:40:42.560
<v Ivan>But everything that you want is there, and you don't have to pay for 15 fucking

01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:43.840
<v Ivan>different subscriptions, okay?

01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:44.380
<v Sam>Okay.

01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:45.820
<v Ivan>And it does learn from what you read.

01:40:46.140 --> 01:40:50.140
<v Sam>Okay. Excellent. So let me give you, I was just going to give you my screen

01:40:50.140 --> 01:40:56.200
<v Sam>time report for the last complete week, which again is not representative because

01:40:56.200 --> 01:40:57.780
<v Sam>it's the week I had my surgery, but whatever.

01:40:58.200 --> 01:41:03.840
<v Sam>And these, I'm ignoring all the other apps. These are just the social or communications related apps.

01:41:04.060 --> 01:41:07.520
<v Sam>The order. TikTok was number one last week.

01:41:08.040 --> 01:41:11.960
<v Sam>Then messages for like texting back and forth with family and stuff.

01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:15.060
<v Sam>Then iCatcher, which is the podcast app I use.

01:41:15.220 --> 01:41:18.460
<v Sam>Then YouTube TV for watching live TV.

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:19.960
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:24.620
<v Sam>Followed by Ivory for Mastodon and Blue Sky for Blue Sky.

01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:28.720
<v Sam>And looking, by the way, they are so close together last week.

01:41:28.980 --> 01:41:33.360
<v Sam>Ivory, six hours and 53 minutes. Blue Sky, six hours and 47 minutes.

01:41:33.980 --> 01:41:37.220
<v Sam>So last week, I was pretty much splitting them evenly.

01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:43.200
<v Sam>Then Slack at six hours, 31 minutes. And then mail, YouTube,

01:41:44.060 --> 01:41:51.380
<v Sam>then Facebook, and now we're really, and then threads, LinkedIn.

01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:52.520
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:41:52.780 --> 01:41:57.260
<v Sam>We're getting to really small amounts of minutes now, but yeah, so that's it.

01:41:58.750 --> 01:42:00.830
<v Sam>So anyway the social media world.

01:42:00.830 --> 01:42:06.150
<v Ivan>Is continuing to evolve it's very fragmented i mean and the news world is continuing to.

01:42:06.150 --> 01:42:07.370
<v Sam>Evolve as well yeah.

01:42:07.370 --> 01:42:11.210
<v Ivan>I mean everything is very fragmented right now we talked about this about you

01:42:11.210 --> 01:42:15.970
<v Ivan>know overall you know that that how people consume everything is so fragmented

01:42:15.970 --> 01:42:19.930
<v Ivan>and unfortunately to a certain to a certain extent it's also a reason why,

01:42:22.310 --> 01:42:25.250
<v Ivan>people to a certain extent now what the facts

01:42:25.250 --> 01:42:28.330
<v Ivan>are becomes so difficult to

01:42:28.330 --> 01:42:31.510
<v Ivan>to discuss with people because of

01:42:31.510 --> 01:42:35.510
<v Ivan>what they what they what they watch and consume and because a lot of people

01:42:35.510 --> 01:42:40.410
<v Ivan>are i think people are so susceptible to just propaganda as i've mentioned before

01:42:40.410 --> 01:42:47.210
<v Ivan>and it's like you know they they go to i mean they hear bullshit and so many

01:42:47.210 --> 01:42:48.850
<v Ivan>of them are just so open to,

01:42:49.370 --> 01:42:52.130
<v Ivan>not even questioning, without question believing it.

01:42:52.830 --> 01:42:58.970
<v Ivan>I will say, we do, you know, I mean, how many times have you and I not seen

01:42:58.970 --> 01:43:06.090
<v Ivan>a story that we, something that is fake, but that is something that we would like to be true.

01:43:07.110 --> 01:43:07.450
<v Sam>Okay?

01:43:08.070 --> 01:43:13.650
<v Ivan>That's fake, that we look at it and we say, nah, man, that can't be true.

01:43:13.890 --> 01:43:16.490
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be great, but it's like, nah.

01:43:16.590 --> 01:43:21.870
<v Sam>Well, having Having said that, both of us have occasionally been fooled.

01:43:22.590 --> 01:43:23.630
<v Ivan>We have been fooled.

01:43:23.710 --> 01:43:28.830
<v Sam>Last week on the show, you brought up an example, and I'm like, that's fake.

01:43:29.210 --> 01:43:31.930
<v Sam>And you're like, oh, damn it, it is fake when you looked into it.

01:43:32.010 --> 01:43:35.210
<v Ivan>Yeah, but that's my point. My point is you point out to me it's fake.

01:43:35.210 --> 01:43:39.390
<v Ivan>It's not like I go and I start getting into a fucking argument with you telling you how it's true.

01:43:39.530 --> 01:43:44.610
<v Ivan>You're a fucking liar, you know? You're part of the fucking mainstream media, blah, blah, blah.

01:43:44.910 --> 01:43:47.950
<v Ivan>No, you're like, point out. that's exactly my

01:43:47.950 --> 01:43:50.730
<v Ivan>point i go and i share it i'm like that's fake and i'm

01:43:50.730 --> 01:43:53.410
<v Ivan>like oh man i wanted that to

01:43:53.410 --> 01:43:56.470
<v Ivan>be true but okay no it's it's not it's

01:43:56.470 --> 01:44:02.530
<v Ivan>not true and i i think that's that you know we try to you know if you show me

01:44:02.530 --> 01:44:06.970
<v Ivan>how it's not true i'm very open to understanding how even it may be something

01:44:06.970 --> 01:44:12.150
<v Ivan>that i really really want to be true oh fuck it's not true so i still remember

01:44:12.150 --> 01:44:13.490
<v Ivan>the one that we love the most,

01:44:13.570 --> 01:44:17.050
<v Ivan>but we knew it had to be not true. The Alpha server. Alpha Bank.

01:44:18.190 --> 01:44:22.310
<v Sam>We knew from the moment that came up, we were like, that's nonsense.

01:44:22.770 --> 01:44:23.630
<v Ivan>It's ridiculous.

01:44:24.370 --> 01:44:29.050
<v Sam>Especially when they started listing details, it's like, that's just stupid. No.

01:44:29.310 --> 01:44:30.510
<v Ivan>Right. No.

01:44:32.270 --> 01:44:33.090
<v Sam>Alpha Bank.

01:44:33.490 --> 01:44:36.630
<v Ivan>Sounds great, but no, it's not true.

01:44:37.350 --> 01:44:42.190
<v Sam>But I'm sure they are selling children

01:44:42.190 --> 01:44:46.610
<v Sam>for child prostitution out of the basement of a pizza parlor in D.C.

01:44:47.210 --> 01:44:48.050
<v Ivan>You're sure about that?

01:44:48.150 --> 01:44:49.030
<v Sam>I'm sure about that.

01:44:50.280 --> 01:44:54.460
<v Sam>I went to that pizza parlor with my dad and stepmom a few years back.

01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:57.000
<v Sam>After this, it all happened. I went to that pizza parlor.

01:44:57.360 --> 01:45:02.420
<v Sam>And I can confirm there are pages full of children all over the place.

01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:04.720
<v Ivan>Ah, so that's part of the experience.

01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.720
<v Sam>Actually, there is no basement at all. It was good pizza.

01:45:08.780 --> 01:45:08.960
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:10.220
<v Sam>It was good pizza.

01:45:11.300 --> 01:45:15.640
<v Ivan>I mean, I know that I've been in the area many times, but I don't know.

01:45:15.980 --> 01:45:17.660
<v Ivan>I don't know if I went to that place.

01:45:18.160 --> 01:45:23.000
<v Sam>It's sort of like It's, it's, it's like, it's Comet Pizza, by the way,

01:45:23.180 --> 01:45:25.320
<v Sam>if I remember the name correctly.

01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:26.340
<v Ivan>It's Comet Pizza.

01:45:27.540 --> 01:45:31.680
<v Sam>It's just a hole in the wall pizza place. It's not like some high end fancy place.

01:45:31.860 --> 01:45:32.420
<v Ivan>Oh, I know, I know.

01:45:33.100 --> 01:45:34.320
<v Sam>It's just, it's just like.

01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:38.140
<v Ivan>But you, but you, okay, but there were no cases, but you met with a cabal, right?

01:45:38.460 --> 01:45:41.160
<v Sam>Oh, yes. Met with a cabal, had all kinds of other things.

01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.240
<v Ivan>Well, that's good. As long as you meet with a cabal, then you.

01:45:44.240 --> 01:45:48.120
<v Sam>Okay, I want to say one other social media related thing before I wrap up.

01:45:48.120 --> 01:45:50.800
<v Sam>The the other thing about social media that i've

01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:54.140
<v Sam>noted like some of the sites like like blue sky is not

01:45:54.140 --> 01:45:57.560
<v Sam>you know facebook almost alone

01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.500
<v Sam>out of these was actually intended for you

01:46:00.500 --> 01:46:03.320
<v Sam>to keep up with friends and family originally yeah they

01:46:03.320 --> 01:46:06.320
<v Sam>they've moved on from that but all these other sites like twitter blue

01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:09.520
<v Sam>sky mouse no whatever that's not what they're built for they're built

01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.660
<v Sam>no no that not at all they're they're meant

01:46:12.660 --> 01:46:18.380
<v Sam>for individuals broadcasting to the world and for you to consume content from

01:46:18.380 --> 01:46:22.380
<v Sam>people broadcasting from the world it's not meant to keep up with like i'm not

01:46:22.380 --> 01:46:27.140
<v Sam>going to expect to find out what's going on in yvonne's life by looking on blue

01:46:27.140 --> 01:46:30.760
<v Sam>sky yo that is just not where i'll find it okay.

01:46:34.300 --> 01:46:39.680
<v Ivan>I see what have i reposted or like because i maybe there are some i wonder what

01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:44.440
<v Ivan>have i posted so based on my blue sky profile or what i've posted let's see

01:46:44.440 --> 01:46:47.040
<v Ivan>what would you conclude that up doing if this is what you thought.

01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:53.280
<v Ivan>Okay, posts. Let's see. I mentioned something about primary Democrats.

01:46:54.120 --> 01:46:59.860
<v Ivan>Okay. The next one was, I reposted something about ICE.

01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:05.280
<v Ivan>There was a story about how Mr. Seymour Wiener, and by the way,

01:47:05.340 --> 01:47:08.800
<v Ivan>this is the true name of this person. Okay. This is actually a real name.

01:47:09.140 --> 01:47:13.420
<v Ivan>New York Men's announced Tuesday that noted fan and World War II veteran Seymour Wiener has died.

01:47:13.780 --> 01:47:17.960
<v Ivan>So, yeah, the guy was actually i i got to try to check picture of me with my

01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:24.160
<v Ivan>son was a baby something about kilomar abrigo and back from this thing you would

01:47:24.160 --> 01:47:27.680
<v Ivan>see me sitting in there at an office like actually going to an office you would

01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:33.100
<v Ivan>think i work in an office and you know i don't think you'd get much out of,

01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:37.640
<v Ivan>knowing anything about me on blue sky other than a pair of like do you like

01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:43.940
<v Ivan>the movie stripes because what I said was about Mike Waltz was named to the

01:47:43.940 --> 01:47:46.900
<v Ivan>instead of like being fired Trump does this thing where.

01:47:48.450 --> 01:47:53.650
<v Ivan>Puts people in, like, I don't know, like, who was it? Don Jr.'s ex-girlfriend

01:47:53.650 --> 01:47:55.630
<v Ivan>sent her as ambassador to Greece.

01:47:56.150 --> 01:47:59.230
<v Ivan>I guess it's kind of like he dispatches them somewhere, okay?

01:47:59.370 --> 01:48:04.090
<v Ivan>He doesn't get rid of you, but he puts you in some job just very far away.

01:48:04.410 --> 01:48:07.410
<v Ivan>And so I guess Mike Waltz is going to be now a U.N. ambassador,

01:48:07.950 --> 01:48:11.010
<v Ivan>which, you know, knowing how much he cares for the U.N., he basically might

01:48:11.010 --> 01:48:12.210
<v Ivan>as well have put him in Siberia.

01:48:12.370 --> 01:48:16.490
<v Ivan>And so the one thing is that I was, like, remembering this line from the movie

01:48:16.490 --> 01:48:20.990
<v Ivan>Stripes where it told, like, the captain of the movie that if he screwed that

01:48:20.990 --> 01:48:24.530
<v Ivan>up, he was going to assign him to a weather station above the Arctic Circle.

01:48:25.030 --> 01:48:28.210
<v Ivan>And that would be like, you know, what in the past, somebody,

01:48:28.410 --> 01:48:33.110
<v Ivan>if you did something like Mike Waltz did, that would be the right,

01:48:33.290 --> 01:48:34.830
<v Ivan>that would be the thing that I would expect.

01:48:34.990 --> 01:48:37.730
<v Ivan>They were probably in a prison, probably, in the Arctic Circle.

01:48:38.170 --> 01:48:41.870
<v Ivan>But, you know, we're talking about Air Force One security, signal,

01:48:42.010 --> 01:48:43.650
<v Ivan>and all of this stuff right now, apparently.

01:48:44.070 --> 01:48:48.030
<v Ivan>I mean, by the way, one thing that we didn't talk about, before we go.

01:48:48.590 --> 01:48:51.550
<v Sam>I still have a thing to finish on social media, but go ahead.

01:48:51.750 --> 01:48:57.450
<v Ivan>Did you see that Mike Waltz getting fired and they had a screenshot.

01:48:57.450 --> 01:49:01.270
<v Ivan>They took a picture of what the fuck he was looking at in the stupid cabinet

01:49:01.270 --> 01:49:03.230
<v Ivan>meeting and he was still using Signal!

01:49:03.870 --> 01:49:08.350
<v Sam>Well, and also people discovered that's actually not Signal.

01:49:08.670 --> 01:49:14.170
<v Sam>It's a Signal clone on the Signal interface who is built for the purpose of

01:49:14.170 --> 01:49:16.570
<v Sam>archiving the messages. Which means

01:49:16.570 --> 01:49:22.490
<v Sam>by definition, it is also sending your messages to a third party to save.

01:49:23.570 --> 01:49:29.690
<v Sam>And the company who makes the signal clone for this purpose is tied to Israeli intelligence.

01:49:31.120 --> 01:49:35.960
<v Ivan>Why are these guys so stupid? Why are they so stupid?

01:49:36.200 --> 01:49:45.500
<v Ivan>In their zeal to avoid actual scrutiny here, they're basically just giving everything

01:49:45.500 --> 01:49:49.960
<v Ivan>away to the Russians, to the Israelis, to whoever the fuck wants that.

01:49:50.420 --> 01:49:51.100
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

01:49:51.860 --> 01:49:57.080
<v Ivan>I saw Marco Rubio using it on there. They had, I mean, yeah,

01:49:57.480 --> 01:49:59.380
<v Ivan>fucking everybody on that damn thing.

01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:06.500
<v Sam>Right. Anyway, the thing I was going to say about social media is that everything

01:50:06.500 --> 01:50:11.180
<v Sam>is moving away from actually like keeping up with friends and family.

01:50:11.420 --> 01:50:14.560
<v Sam>Like these other platforms aren't meant for it. Facebook was originally meant

01:50:14.560 --> 01:50:16.560
<v Sam>for it, but long ago moved away from that.

01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:26.060
<v Sam>So I just wanted to mention, one of my personal projects right now is intended as a low volume,

01:50:26.060 --> 01:50:33.580
<v Sam>longer form way of specifically keeping in touch with friends and family. Now, I want to be clear.

01:50:34.120 --> 01:50:37.800
<v Sam>This is something I'm sparing maybe like an hour a week to work on.

01:50:37.940 --> 01:50:39.520
<v Sam>So it won't actually be ready to show.

01:50:39.620 --> 01:50:41.140
<v Ivan>It won't be ready by the time I'm done.

01:50:41.740 --> 01:50:46.160
<v Sam>Exactly. Like it won't even be ready to show like in an alpha version to interested

01:50:46.160 --> 01:50:49.200
<v Sam>parties for like many, many, many months, probably.

01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:56.480
<v Sam>But for anybody who's interested, I have a splash page only with the basic information of the concept.

01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:01.300
<v Sam>It's on Robin letter.com. R O B I N L E T T E R.

01:51:01.300 --> 01:51:03.940
<v Ivan>You know, you could share a link on, you know.

01:51:04.510 --> 01:51:05.390
<v Ivan>This thing we use.

01:51:05.630 --> 01:51:06.230
<v Sam>The Slack?

01:51:07.590 --> 01:51:10.090
<v Ivan>Ah, that's it. Yes, we have this thing called the Slack.

01:51:10.290 --> 01:51:12.170
<v Sam>I was bringing it up on the show

01:51:12.170 --> 01:51:15.370
<v Sam>because of the fact that we were sort of talking about adjacent stuff.

01:51:15.590 --> 01:51:19.210
<v Sam>But it's not ready. It's just a splash page. I can share it on there.

01:51:19.370 --> 01:51:20.350
<v Sam>You can share it on there. Whatever.

01:51:20.550 --> 01:51:26.370
<v Sam>But I was going to wait to share it until I actually had functionality to share. All I have is like a bad.

01:51:26.510 --> 01:51:29.750
<v Ivan>Nobody told. Well, of course, nobody, you know, probably nobody listening at

01:51:29.750 --> 01:51:30.670
<v Ivan>the end of the show anyway.

01:51:30.810 --> 01:51:35.350
<v Sam>But there you go. But like I have bad pixel art of a Robin that I did myself

01:51:35.350 --> 01:51:37.270
<v Sam>and I have a couple of paragraphs.

01:51:37.530 --> 01:51:40.450
<v Sam>That's all that's there. A couple of paragraphs about the concept.

01:51:40.630 --> 01:51:44.870
<v Sam>I have built some more behind the scenes, but it's all just like infrastructural

01:51:44.870 --> 01:51:47.570
<v Sam>crap. There's no actual functionality to share yet.

01:51:47.830 --> 01:51:51.350
<v Sam>Like I said, it'll probably be months before that. But the basic idea is you

01:51:51.350 --> 01:51:57.130
<v Sam>have a circle of friends that you share updates with sequentially when it's

01:51:57.130 --> 01:51:59.790
<v Sam>your turn instead of just a free for all.

01:51:59.790 --> 01:52:04.290
<v Sam>And it emulates a really old way of communicating that people had.

01:52:04.650 --> 01:52:09.210
<v Sam>And I thought it was interesting, so I'm spending some spare time on it.

01:52:09.290 --> 01:52:13.030
<v Ivan>Well, one thing that I did here, and I haven't seen this yet,

01:52:13.210 --> 01:52:17.430
<v Ivan>but I thought that they said that in Facebook, and oh, there it is,

01:52:18.130 --> 01:52:19.590
<v Ivan>they have a friends tab now.

01:52:19.850 --> 01:52:25.310
<v Sam>They have a friends feed now again. Now, what they did, they have added back in a friends tab.

01:52:25.810 --> 01:52:31.150
<v Sam>And what it is, is it's still an algorithmic feed, but it's an algorithmic feed of only your friends.

01:52:31.350 --> 01:52:35.030
<v Ivan>But without knowing, but that's good because it's really, you know,

01:52:35.170 --> 01:52:37.870
<v Ivan>that's, yeah, I mean, that works because it does the part.

01:52:37.870 --> 01:52:43.010
<v Sam>I just wanted to share, though, and the instructions I'm going to give are the iOS mobile app.

01:52:43.210 --> 01:52:49.170
<v Sam>But there was a way to get this anyway, non-algorithmic, just actually like

01:52:49.170 --> 01:52:51.130
<v Sam>chronological, reverse chronological only.

01:52:51.770 --> 01:52:58.830
<v Sam>If you are on the iOS Facebook app, bottom right-hand corner says menu. You click that.

01:52:59.130 --> 01:53:02.750
<v Sam>And then you get a page. On that page, there's a button that says feeds.

01:53:03.030 --> 01:53:08.190
<v Sam>If you click feeds, then the top bar has options, all favorites,

01:53:08.510 --> 01:53:09.890
<v Sam>friends, groups, and pages.

01:53:10.110 --> 01:53:14.930
<v Sam>If you click the friends one, then you have a reverse chronological feed of

01:53:14.930 --> 01:53:17.070
<v Sam>everything your friends are posting.

01:53:17.530 --> 01:53:22.350
<v Sam>So like the algorithmic feed, even the friends tab, is trying to selectively

01:53:22.350 --> 01:53:25.610
<v Sam>choose from what your friends post for the things that are most interested,

01:53:25.910 --> 01:53:28.830
<v Sam>that might be most interesting. It's not reverse chronological.

01:53:29.690 --> 01:53:34.590
<v Sam>They're cycling it and bringing things to the top based on what they think you'll most likely respond to.

01:53:34.810 --> 01:53:41.330
<v Sam>The instructions I just gave, menu, feeds, friends, will take you to a proper

01:53:41.330 --> 01:53:44.490
<v Sam>reverse chronological feed of everything your friends have done.

01:53:44.630 --> 01:53:45.990
<v Sam>There's an equivalent on desktop.

01:53:46.270 --> 01:53:49.850
<v Sam>But this is several clicks deep. It's kind of buried.

01:53:50.010 --> 01:53:56.790
<v Sam>But for a couple years now, whenever I do go to Facebook, that's what I do.

01:53:57.340 --> 01:54:05.700
<v Sam>Sometimes I use the menu feeds all to also get things posted in my groups and my pages.

01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:12.420
<v Sam>And that's fine too. But I get the reverse chronological feed. I get to see everything.

01:54:12.820 --> 01:54:16.040
<v Sam>And if I want to filter it down to friends only, I just click over to friends.

01:54:16.180 --> 01:54:17.760
<v Sam>So it is there. It's just buried.

01:54:17.980 --> 01:54:22.400
<v Sam>The new friends tab is an improvement though. You can at least go to just your friends.

01:54:23.620 --> 01:54:26.380
<v Sam>It's still not reverse chronological, which bugs me a little bit.

01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:31.320
<v Ivan>But hell, it's better than, you know, being cluttered with all this other shit.

01:54:31.660 --> 01:54:34.680
<v Sam>You know. You could say there are advantages to that, too, because it surfaces

01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:39.080
<v Sam>sort of the thing from a day and a half ago that you missed that is getting

01:54:39.080 --> 01:54:42.940
<v Sam>a lot of traction from comments and such that you might miss if you're only

01:54:42.940 --> 01:54:46.780
<v Sam>doing reverse chronological and you're not diligent to go back down to the last thing you saw.

01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:51.120
<v Sam>So there are advantages of algorithmic feeds there, but being just friends is

01:54:51.120 --> 01:54:55.420
<v Sam>good. Now, of course, Mark Zuckerberg was on TV saying, you know,

01:54:55.600 --> 01:54:59.400
<v Sam>most people only have three friends, but there's demand for 15.

01:54:59.900 --> 01:55:01.440
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck that.

01:55:01.500 --> 01:55:09.120
<v Sam>So we can make up the difference with 12 AI friends and that'll make everyone happy. Right?

01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:10.240
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:16.080
<v Sam>Anyway, we'll wrap it up. Go check out RobinLadder.com. If you are at all interested

01:55:16.080 --> 01:55:20.960
<v Sam>in the concept, send me an email and I'll include you whenever I do get to the

01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:22.840
<v Sam>point where there's something actually to see.

01:55:23.300 --> 01:55:27.160
<v Sam>Like I said, I only have like an hour a week to work on this stupid thing,

01:55:27.260 --> 01:55:30.780
<v Sam>so it's going to be a long time, but whatever. Email me if you're interested.

01:55:31.820 --> 01:55:34.600
<v Sam>Okay, let's wrap this sucker up. What is it?

01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:39.240
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, curmudgeons-corner.com. Which, by the way,

01:55:39.660 --> 01:55:47.660
<v Sam>we have curmudgeons-corner.com because somebody a long, long time ago actually

01:55:47.660 --> 01:55:52.020
<v Sam>took curmudgeons-corner.com without the hyphen.

01:55:52.140 --> 01:55:55.780
<v Sam>And it had some sort of placeholder page.

01:55:55.920 --> 01:56:03.500
<v Sam>The domain without the hyphen is now officially for sale for $2,695.

01:56:04.360 --> 01:56:10.120
<v Sam>So if any of you out there want to buy it for us feel free,

01:56:10.140 --> 01:56:17.140
<v Sam>you can get curmudgeonscorner.com is available for purchase for $26.95 and we

01:56:17.140 --> 01:56:21.560
<v Sam>can start using that instead of curmudgeons-corner.com for my own purposes,

01:56:21.820 --> 01:56:28.200
<v Sam>let me just say right out there I would pay a little bit for curmudgeonscorner.com

01:56:28.200 --> 01:56:30.480
<v Sam>without the hyphen, not $26.95,

01:56:31.480 --> 01:56:34.980
<v Sam>I could see going up to $100 or $200. Yeah.

01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:37.400
<v Ivan>Do they have an offer button?

01:56:38.120 --> 01:56:43.140
<v Sam>No. They do let you do a payment plan where you can pay $225 a month for $12.

01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:46.780
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no. Fuck them. No, no, no.

01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:50.540
<v Sam>There's a 30-day money-back guarantee. No.

01:56:51.020 --> 01:56:52.180
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, no, thank you.

01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:56.160
<v Sam>No. Anyway, we're at curmudgeons hyphen corner. And by the way,

01:56:56.320 --> 01:56:58.540
<v Sam>there's at least one more curmudgeons corner.

01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:01.780
<v Sam>There's a curmudgeons corner podcast on YouTube.

01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:08.280
<v Sam>That is not us. That, that has been, you know, been around a while, get some viewers.

01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:12.420
<v Sam>I've never watched an entire episode of their show, but you know, it's out there.

01:57:12.940 --> 01:57:17.100
<v Sam>So we're not the only one. So maybe they'll buy the 2695 domain name.

01:57:17.280 --> 01:57:18.220
<v Ivan>Oh God.

01:57:19.160 --> 01:57:22.020
<v Sam>They're they're only on youtube as far as i can tell right now and

01:57:22.020 --> 01:57:25.220
<v Sam>there there are a few others but anyway we are at

01:57:25.220 --> 01:57:28.000
<v Sam>curmudgeon's hyphen corner.com and there

01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.740
<v Sam>you can see our archives you can see all the ways

01:57:30.740 --> 01:57:36.520
<v Sam>to contact us you can see links to our our facebook our youtube etc i still

01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:40.640
<v Sam>have not linked to the tiktok and i i'm getting further and further behind point

01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:44.280
<v Sam>posting the tiktoks like i haven't posted the tiktoks for last week yet i'll

01:57:44.280 --> 01:57:47.700
<v Sam>post them before i put this episode out but I'm getting behind because they're

01:57:47.700 --> 01:57:50.320
<v Sam>not getting many views lately. So maybe I'll stop. I don't know.

01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:54.480
<v Sam>Anyway, you can find all those things. You can also find a link to our Patreon

01:57:54.480 --> 01:57:59.160
<v Sam>where you can donate the $26.95 to us or anything else you would like to.

01:57:59.420 --> 01:58:03.960
<v Sam>At various levels, we will send you, we will mention you on the show.

01:58:04.060 --> 01:58:06.040
<v Sam>We'll send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug.

01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:10.620
<v Sam>And I mentioned earlier that Ed got his mug.

01:58:10.820 --> 01:58:19.360
<v Sam>The postcards are not out yet. However, I have written the two postcards for Pete and Brett.

01:58:19.540 --> 01:58:21.360
<v Ivan>There you go. I've made progress.

01:58:21.700 --> 01:58:25.240
<v Sam>I took the week off after the surgery. And I haven't felt too bad,

01:58:25.240 --> 01:58:26.240
<v Sam>so I've been able to do stuff.

01:58:26.480 --> 01:58:30.320
<v Sam>And I'll tell you, I didn't need to take the time off, apparently.

01:58:30.980 --> 01:58:32.140
<v Sam>Apparently, there was a risk.

01:58:32.180 --> 01:58:35.400
<v Ivan>It was the best thing to do. It was the best thing. It was the best thing to

01:58:35.400 --> 01:58:39.300
<v Ivan>do. They said take it easy for a week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:39.420 --> 01:58:44.280
<v Sam>And I have taken it easy for a week. I've just, I've watched a bunch of TV and

01:58:44.280 --> 01:58:47.060
<v Sam>movies with Alex. I've just laid around the house.

01:58:47.320 --> 01:58:52.260
<v Sam>I've done some work on my personal projects. I've done, I've done some laundry,

01:58:52.260 --> 01:58:54.280
<v Sam>you know, and, and honestly,

01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:59.520
<v Sam>like completely independent surgery or not the mental health break of like just

01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:02.560
<v Sam>relaxing for a week, very much needed.

01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:08.560
<v Sam>It was, uh, and so, so anyway, I wrote the postcards, but the next step is to

01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:13.100
<v Sam>send them to Yvonne for him to add his comments, and then he'll send them out to actual people.

01:59:13.700 --> 01:59:17.560
<v Sam>And I haven't done that yet, but I hopefully will by the end of this weekend.

01:59:17.740 --> 01:59:21.420
<v Sam>Anyway, I am eventually getting to these things. It took a while, but I'm getting to them.

01:59:21.740 --> 01:59:25.300
<v Sam>It took me having surgery to have time to get to them, but you know, whatever.

01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:31.780
<v Sam>Anyway, importantly, on the Patreon at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask

01:59:31.780 --> 01:59:34.940
<v Sam>us, we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and

01:59:34.940 --> 01:59:40.520
<v Sam>others are hanging out throughout the week, sharing links, all of that kind of stuff. So Yvonne,

01:59:41.330 --> 01:59:44.930
<v Sam>What's a highlight for the curmudgeon's quarter slot from the curmudgeon's quarter slot?

01:59:44.950 --> 01:59:51.390
<v Ivan>I'm going to give you two quick ones. Two quick ones. One was $800,000 in dimes

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<v Ivan>spilled onto a North Texas highway.

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<v Ivan>Somehow there was a truck that had, I mean, this is 8 million dimes.

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<v Ivan>I'm trying to understand, how the fuck were you hauling?

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<v Ivan>Where the hell did you get 8 million dimes from? How the fuck were you hauling them? It's like crazy.

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<v Sam>Well, presumably it was a shipment from like the Mint.

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<v Ivan>From the Federal Reserve to the Mint, I guess. But geez, man,

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<v Ivan>8 million dimes, 8 million dimes.

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<v Ivan>I don't even remember the last time I saw a dime. I got to admit.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>It's been so long. Okay. So that was like one that was interesting.

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<v Ivan>And then there was this thing where I'm not sure which stores are the ones that

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<v Ivan>have like this Amazon kitchen brand. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But they had this thing at the store. Okay. It said, it's a rap,

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<v Ivan>and it said, Lorem Ipsum Duller and Cheddar.

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<v Ivan>With Lorem Ipsum Duller, I am, no mummy, no mummy, nim osimod tinsidunt,

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<v Ivan>perishable, keep refrigerated.

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<v Ivan>So, you know, I mean, I think the one thing is,

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<v Ivan>well it's you know obviously somebody forgot

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<v Ivan>to uh complete uh fill out their template but

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<v Ivan>you know that lorem ipsu door thing has been

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<v Ivan>around like i i remember this is like

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<v Ivan>being like a random like scribble on like microsoft word in order to show you

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<v Ivan>where the word of words went and it has no meaning as far as i know whatsoever

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<v Ivan>i looked it up there is no meaning to this but for some reason automatically

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<v Ivan>you know that it's somebody that you you know that this is like somebody typed this out.

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<v Ivan>Somebody went and they had a template, they were supposed to erase something

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<v Ivan>and put it in, and boom, you wound up with So according to Wikipedia.

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<v Sam>The lorem ipsum text is derived from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of Cicero's

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<v Sam>De Finibus Banorum et Malorum.

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<v Sam>The physical source may have been the 1914 Loeb Classic Library edition of that

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<v Sam>thing, where the Latin text presented on the left hand,

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<v Sam>even pages, breaks off on page 34 and continues on page 36 with Lorem Ipsen

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<v Sam>suggesting that the galley type of the page was mixed up to make the dummy text today.

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<v Sam>So it's not actually a quote from that text. No, it's not. It's from that text

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<v Sam>and then scrambled in some way.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>And so the the relevant section of Cicero is printed in the sources reproduced

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<v Sam>below with the fragments used in lorem ipsum highlighted.

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<v Sam>So lorem ipsum doesn't even like lorem starts in the middle of a word.

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<v Sam>It's del lorem ipsum in the text.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. It's not exactly not even a word. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Right. And so it's like it's if you look at the highlighting here,

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<v Sam>it's just it skips a whole bunch of words. It's whatever.

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<v Sam>But it's apparently taken from that source. there you go so so so very tasty all.

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<v Ivan>Of some it'll learn of some dollar and cheddar rack.

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<v Sam>Alex is requesting that i give one other thing

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<v Sam>for people to take a look at which is i shared

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<v Sam>on the curmudgeon's corner slack a few minutes ago but is also posted on youtube

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<v Sam>i've been trying to post it on tiktok but tiktok's been giving me trouble so

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<v Sam>it's not on tiktok yet so i don't know if it'll show up there but alex entitled

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<v Sam>it daddy torture video so if you go to YouTube and search on Abulsme, A-B-U-L-S-M-E.

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<v Sam>Don't search on Samuel Minter because there are lots of Samuel Minters.

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<v Sam>But if you search on Abulsme, one of the first things that comes up will be

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<v Sam>the Samuel Minter channel that you can click through and see everything on the channel.

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<v Sam>But also, if you're listening to this soon after I post it, probably the second

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<v Sam>video or within the first few videos is going to be daddy torture video anyway.

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<v Sam>I just posted it a couple hours before recording.

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<v Sam>Basically, the bottom line here is we needed Alex to sign a medical form because

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<v Sam>legally here in Washington state, if you're over 13, there are certain things

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<v Sam>that your parents cannot do for you.

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<v Sam>And there are certain things that the doctor's office isn't even allowed to

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<v Sam>talk to the parents unless they have written permission from the child.

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<v Sam>So we needed to get the form that gave us written permission to talk to the

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<v Sam>doctor in addition to Alex.

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<v Sam>And Alex did not, well.

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<v Sam>Alex demanded extortion. I don't know.

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<v Sam>He, he would, he would not sign without us giving us something significant.

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<v Sam>There were a couple, there were a couple of things he asked for first from his

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<v Sam>sister. Her, his sister did not give him what he wanted.

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<v Sam>So when we were at a diner, he indicated that he would sign the papers.

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<v Sam>If I drank slash ate a concoction, he made it the diner.

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<v Sam>Made out of all the random shit that's on a diet on a diner table he's hitting

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<v Sam>me because i said shit mixed all up together so we've got creamer we've got

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<v Sam>french fries we've got hot sauce we've got salt we've got pepper we've got butter you.

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<v Ivan>Have to give it a try you have to drink the whole fucking thing i.

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<v Sam>Have to drink the whole thing and you can see the video you can see me do it i i did it.

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<v Sam>He signed the papers, but it is a 10 minute long video of me forcing myself

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<v Sam>to consume this absolutely disgusting concoction and to try to do it without throwing up spoilers.

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<v Sam>I did not throw up, but I make quite a few funny faces while I'm,

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<v Sam>while I'm eating this stuff or drinking, eating, drinking slash eating.

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<v Sam>Cause like there was a bunch you could drink, but then there was stuff left

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<v Sam>at the bottom that you had to eat.

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<v Sam>Like I ate an entire like sphere of butter straight, you know, things like that.

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<v Sam>And the concoction itself was absolutely disgusting. Anyway,

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<v Sam>he wants everybody to like watch the video. So there you go.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>And with that, we are out of here. Thank you for joining us for yet another

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<v Sam>at Curmudgeon's Corner. Have a great week.

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<v Sam>If all goes well, we'll be back next time.

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<v Sam>Stay safe. Be good. Blah, blah, blah. Goodbye. Say goodbye, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Bye!

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<v Sam>There we go. Here comes the music.

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<v Ivan>That would help.

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<v Sam>I was actually worried that YouTube and TikTok and these places would block

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<v Sam>it just because the name is Daddy Torture Video.

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<v Ivan>That could be a problem.

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<v Sam>Torture. I mean, it was kind of torture.

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<v Ivan>Well, the torture right now is very popular in this country anyway.

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<v Sam>There you go. Okay, I'm hitting stop.

