WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:01.610 Hello? No, wait. 00:00:02.750 --> 00:00:08.290 Mary, hold on. Waiting for streaming software to go live. Here we go. 00:00:09.150 --> 00:00:14.110 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a picture. 00:00:15.510 --> 00:00:21.050 A picture. Well, as long as it's a picture. We don't need the right picture. We just need a picture. 00:00:21.490 --> 00:00:24.790 That's right. Who cares about those details? 00:00:28.390 --> 00:00:36.310 Okay, did that right. okay okay thanks for being flexible yvonne shall we go 00:00:36.310 --> 00:00:42.470 yeah go okay here we go make sure this is live Blub-bloop. 00:00:43.590 --> 00:00:46.590 Blub-bloop. 00:01:03.850 --> 00:01:10.990 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Tuesday, April 22nd, 2025. 00:01:11.030 --> 00:01:13.270 It is just after 2 UTC. 00:01:13.690 --> 00:01:15.930 I'm Sam Minter. Yvonne Bo is here. 00:01:16.410 --> 00:01:19.990 Our agenda is going to be like the normal agenda, I guess. 00:01:20.210 --> 00:01:24.530 We are doing this a little bit early, so I don't know about a normal agenda. 00:01:24.970 --> 00:01:30.130 I mean, we'll probably do a shortened agenda. that we are bored, you know, because. 00:01:30.130 --> 00:01:31.690 It hasn't been that long since. 00:01:31.950 --> 00:01:33.430 Exactly. Right. 00:01:33.610 --> 00:01:38.670 Well, you know, there are things and happened and I got stuff. I don't know. 00:01:39.790 --> 00:01:44.230 Okay. So I, I know I owe an explanation. We usually record these days, 00:01:44.230 --> 00:01:48.990 like over the course of this podcast, which we started in 2007, 00:01:49.670 --> 00:01:54.310 long time ago, but we have, we have recorded on different days. 00:01:54.310 --> 00:01:57.930 When we first started this thing, we used to record on Sundays. 00:01:58.890 --> 00:02:06.630 And then there was a period of time where we recorded on, well, 00:02:06.770 --> 00:02:09.030 we shifted all over the place. 00:02:09.150 --> 00:02:12.270 For a while, it was like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and it could be any of the above. 00:02:12.590 --> 00:02:19.690 More recently, it's usually been Friday or Saturday with sometimes Thursday. 00:02:19.770 --> 00:02:23.890 And I'm talking U.S. time right now, shifted all like, you know. 00:02:25.250 --> 00:02:29.490 But anyway, but I've made sure there's been one episode per week, no matter what. 00:02:29.810 --> 00:02:36.590 So we are doing it early this week because I will be indisposed later in the week, as they say. 00:02:36.970 --> 00:02:41.210 And so I'll give the reason why. I'm going to have some surgery. 00:02:41.210 --> 00:02:41.570 I'm going to have some surgery. 00:02:42.180 --> 00:02:48.980 Yay! Isn't that exciting? So what is it? Finally, we're doing the lobotomy? 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:55.060 Yes. I don't need any of that brain anymore. It's served its purpose. It's done. 00:02:55.200 --> 00:02:57.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You know, what the hell? 00:02:58.460 --> 00:02:59.380 No, so... 00:02:59.380 --> 00:03:00.680 So it's not the lobotomy. 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:04.440 It's not the lobotomy. And I'm actually getting too... 00:03:04.440 --> 00:03:07.980 And it's not... You're not getting some kind of enlargement surgery that we know of. 00:03:09.260 --> 00:03:17.340 Well, you know. I could, but no, no, um, no, no, no, I'm actually getting two 00:03:17.340 --> 00:03:18.640 surgeries. It's very exciting. 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:25.540 Both of them are outpatient. So in theory, I will only be there for a few hours for each of these. 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:31.140 I have one going on on Thursday, one going on on Friday, but they basically 00:03:31.140 --> 00:03:38.180 said like, you're probably still going to feel awful for a while after the surgeries. 00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:41.980 So I didn't want to try to like have surgery in 00:03:41.980 --> 00:03:44.900 the daytime and do the podcast in the evening or even 00:03:44.900 --> 00:03:47.600 worry about editing the podcast afterwards i wanted to take 00:03:47.600 --> 00:03:51.320 care of it so my my disclosure is 00:03:51.320 --> 00:03:54.320 it it's a basal cell carcinoma on 00:03:54.320 --> 00:03:58.380 my nose so that apparently 00:03:58.380 --> 00:04:01.120 yeah there'd been a place on my 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.560 nose that like would occasionally like like 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:09.220 bleed and i was like oh whatever it's like a zit or whatever it's a pimple that 00:04:09.220 --> 00:04:15.200 got you know whatever but it kept coming back like in the same spot like not 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:21.400 all the time like every few months it would pop up and eventually i'm like i 00:04:21.400 --> 00:04:24.100 every couple of months because i have. 00:04:24.100 --> 00:04:27.120 I had a every couple of months it would start bleeding again. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.020 Yeah because. 00:04:28.020 --> 00:04:33.520 I i have a spot that it's actually i've had to check that i i my family suffers 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:35.520 from like little veins that pop. 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:36.540 Right i. 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:41.180 Have a i had a spot where that's been the case i had one like it was around 00:04:41.180 --> 00:04:47.940 in my nose that my my sister-in-law being a doctor and i want to be surgeon. 00:04:47.940 --> 00:04:52.740 I have to say during dinner pulled out the. 00:04:52.740 --> 00:04:55.360 Scapel and just cut it off. 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.520 At like i'll take care of that for you yeah basically Luckily. 00:04:58.640 --> 00:05:03.040 She was like, ah, it's just a vein. I'll take it out right here. Boom. 00:05:03.640 --> 00:05:05.800 Did she at least sterilize it? 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:11.580 No. Well, yeah. Well, I mean, the stuff was sterile. Yes. 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:16.580 But then when she did, it started bleeding like a lot. Okay. 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.920 Now she did have something to stop the bleeding, but she didn't have it handy 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.560 because she didn't expect it to start bleeding that much at that moment. 00:05:24.020 --> 00:05:24.460 Yeah. 00:05:25.330 --> 00:05:27.870 So then she had to apply something there to stop the bleeding. 00:05:27.990 --> 00:05:32.110 But yeah, I got it. I had this kind of stuff done at dinner. 00:05:32.670 --> 00:05:37.790 Yeah. Well, very nice. I am not having it done at dinner. No. So anyway, the thing. 00:05:37.850 --> 00:05:40.830 If Brandy came out with a scaffolder heading towards you, you'd be like, 00:05:40.910 --> 00:05:44.550 oh, shit. Wait, what? No. Yeah, that would be. Yeah, that would be. Yeah. 00:05:44.930 --> 00:05:48.050 Yeah. So anyway, like every few months this would come back. 00:05:48.190 --> 00:05:53.390 And by eventually, I mean nearly three years, I brought this up to my general 00:05:53.390 --> 00:05:57.790 practitioner, or my regular family doctor on a routine visit, 00:05:57.790 --> 00:06:03.030 and she takes a look at it, and is like, yeah, let's send you to the dermatologist. 00:06:03.670 --> 00:06:08.890 And so a few weeks later, I go to the dermatologist, and they take a, 00:06:08.990 --> 00:06:13.150 what you call, a sample, you know, and went off and tested it, 00:06:13.270 --> 00:06:15.270 and yep, basal cell carcinoma. 00:06:15.390 --> 00:06:18.710 So for those of you who don't know, because I wouldn't have known this off the 00:06:18.710 --> 00:06:21.270 top of my head before, that is a skin cancer. 00:06:21.430 --> 00:06:27.650 It's the most common form of skin cancer, but it's known to it grows very very 00:06:27.650 --> 00:06:33.730 very slowly and right and it's incredibly rare that it migrates and spreads 00:06:33.730 --> 00:06:36.430 to other parts of the body but you. 00:06:36.430 --> 00:06:38.050 Want it you need to take care of it. 00:06:38.050 --> 00:06:40.710 But you need to take care of it like and it you know 00:06:40.710 --> 00:06:46.550 it very very rarely turns serious either like you people very rarely die of 00:06:46.550 --> 00:06:51.550 this you know but yeah you want to take care of it anyway like because you don't 00:06:51.550 --> 00:06:56.290 want to press your luck and be one of the fraction of a percent where it does 00:06:56.290 --> 00:06:58.810 spread and become more serious or anything like that. 00:06:59.370 --> 00:07:03.930 So anyway, what they're doing is what's called Mohs surgery, 00:07:04.350 --> 00:07:06.490 which is extremely fun sounding. 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:14.050 A friend of ours, Ivana and I's, had this done as well. She sent me pictures. It was very exciting. 00:07:14.710 --> 00:07:17.470 Apparently my stepmother also had this done at one point. 00:07:17.510 --> 00:07:21.430 It's a fairly common thing, but basically the way I envision it, 00:07:21.450 --> 00:07:23.130 it does not actually work this way. 00:07:23.780 --> 00:07:29.780 But I imagine them going in with, you know, an ice cream scoop or a melon baller 00:07:29.780 --> 00:07:33.020 and just like scooping out stuff. 00:07:33.220 --> 00:07:37.800 But the basic idea of it is that they do a little bit at a time. They do. 00:07:37.940 --> 00:07:42.280 They take out a little bit, then they go test it and see, did they get everything? 00:07:42.580 --> 00:07:46.000 And if they did, then you're done. 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:51.420 If they didn't, they go back in and take more and repeat until you're done. 00:07:52.300 --> 00:07:56.560 And so, so anyway, that's the procedure I've got going on on Thursday. 00:07:57.460 --> 00:08:02.060 On Friday, I have to go back in because they expect that the hole they're going 00:08:02.060 --> 00:08:06.780 to make in my nose is big enough that it's going to need plastic surgery to repair. 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.480 So and apparently exactly what procedure they'll 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.400 do will depend on exactly how big the hole ends up being 00:08:14.400 --> 00:08:19.360 but what they told me they're kind of expecting is a procedure where they basically 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:24.920 take you know a flap of skin from my forehead and like bend it down and shove 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:32.000 it in and fill up the hole with it so that's my fun the the the thursday procedure 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.920 is i'm going to be awake for, 00:08:34.060 --> 00:08:39.280 but the Friday one is going to be my very first experience with general anesthesia. 00:08:39.580 --> 00:08:42.680 So that'll be fun, I guess. Is fun the right word, Yvonne? 00:08:43.160 --> 00:08:45.500 Oh, it's exciting. It's tingling. 00:08:45.900 --> 00:08:47.060 Have you done general? 00:08:47.640 --> 00:08:48.200 No. 00:08:48.760 --> 00:08:48.880 No. 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:53.920 Well, okay. Well, for, well, yes, for a colonoscopy. 00:08:54.420 --> 00:09:03.020 Now, I had a colonoscopy, but I, and I remember them making me loopy, but not completely. 00:09:03.020 --> 00:09:06.620 No, no, no. No, the way that they've done the colonoscopy, I've been completely out. 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:11.000 I mean, I basically had to start done, and all of a sudden I wake up in a recovery 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.600 room and I have no recollection of anything. 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:17.240 See, because when I had the colonoscopy, I remember being awake enough to ask 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.900 them to please turn the screen so I could see too. 00:09:20.280 --> 00:09:21.760 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:09:21.760 --> 00:09:24.720 no, no, no, no, no, no. What the hell place you're, what the hell kind of fucking 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.060 like place you're going to? 00:09:26.340 --> 00:09:30.080 No, I went to a place where I was completely, completely out. 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.880 No, I was like, I want to see, I want to see. And they were like describing 00:09:33.880 --> 00:09:38.060 what I was looking at while they were shoving the thing in me, you know? So, yeah. 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:42.880 Cause you know, they had it up on a big screen and I could see and do it. 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:45.960 You know, now I was completely like. 00:09:46.880 --> 00:09:53.960 high. And I imagine for part of it, I might not have been fully aware, 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.660 but I was aware for enough of it. 00:09:56.900 --> 00:09:59.820 So it definitely wasn't fully general anesthesia. 00:09:59.900 --> 00:10:03.800 I was completely out. 00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:10.020 Yeah. And my son Alex has had general a couple of times for the dentist because 00:10:10.020 --> 00:10:12.500 he wouldn't cooperate with them otherwise when he was younger. 00:10:13.300 --> 00:10:17.060 So, you know, so I know, I know this is a completely routine procedure, 00:10:17.160 --> 00:10:20.760 but still I'm like, I'm going to spend two days going through procedures. 00:10:20.780 --> 00:10:25.380 And they told me basically expect to like be uncomfortable and have bandages 00:10:25.380 --> 00:10:26.760 all over your face for a week. 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.000 So I'm actually taking not only Thursday and Friday this week, 00:10:30.100 --> 00:10:31.700 but all of next week off from work. 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:37.920 And on the one hand, I'm like, Ooh, a week off, I can do all kinds of stuff. I can get stuff done. 00:10:38.140 --> 00:10:42.940 But on the other hand, I'm like, you know, basically they've told me do as little 00:10:42.940 --> 00:10:44.600 as possible for that week. 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.900 You know, you don't, you, you, you want, you're not going to be feeling great. 00:10:48.900 --> 00:10:50.100 It's going to be uncomfortable. 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:53.340 You don't want to do active things that are like, I don't know, 00:10:53.420 --> 00:10:57.420 rip out stitches or whatever, you know, just, just do as little as possible. 00:10:57.420 --> 00:11:01.480 But I figure I can sit at my desk and do stuff probably, or, 00:11:01.660 --> 00:11:04.380 and, you know, or maybe I'll just be watching TV the 00:11:04.380 --> 00:11:07.380 whole time i don't know but you know anyway so that's 00:11:07.380 --> 00:11:10.660 why we're doing this early we're you 00:11:10.660 --> 00:11:13.800 know usually the latest we were ever usually like 00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:18.800 i said utc wise it's usually thursday or friday no no utc wise it's usually 00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:23.760 friday or saturday very occasionally thursday this time we're recording on monday 00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:29.760 evening uh u.s time tuesday utc so way early for us but you know whatever That's 00:11:29.760 --> 00:11:31.860 my excuse. I have an excuse. Damn it. 00:11:33.140 --> 00:11:37.440 Yes, you do have an excuse. So anyway, now that we've eaten the excuse to death. 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:41.680 But first, and then we'll, we'll see how the other rest goes. 00:11:41.780 --> 00:11:44.460 Maybe it'll all be a, but first, maybe I'll just do a whole bunch of movies. 00:11:45.130 --> 00:11:46.950 If we could do that, I guess. 00:11:47.650 --> 00:11:53.050 Yeah. We do have a couple real things, but do you have any? 00:11:54.370 --> 00:11:58.270 No, we'll skip the but first today. Okay. This is on this short show. 00:11:58.390 --> 00:11:59.390 We'll skip the but first. 00:11:59.670 --> 00:12:04.930 Okay. So what's your first real topic then? I guess I did my first topic. 00:12:05.390 --> 00:12:10.250 Well, the first real topic is quite simple. Mr. President that doesn't shut 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:11.850 up today, tank the markets again. 00:12:12.290 --> 00:12:13.610 Again. Again. 00:12:13.750 --> 00:12:13.850 Yeah. 00:12:13.850 --> 00:12:18.070 I was kind of busy at work, but I didn't notice that that was happening. 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:21.270 He is insisting on Jerome Powell 00:12:21.270 --> 00:12:26.590 lowering rates, and he keeps telling people he wants to fire Powell, 00:12:26.950 --> 00:12:34.330 which the markets are basically—there's already a brewing—I'm not going to say 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:37.430 it's at a crisis of confidence level yet, 00:12:37.430 --> 00:12:43.890 but certainly he has shaken confidence in the— Wasn't it already shaken? 00:12:44.950 --> 00:12:48.310 No, he has, he has already shaken, but shaken it further. 00:12:48.530 --> 00:12:48.930 Right. 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:58.130 Okay. The confidence in, in, in, in, in, in our monetary system, the economic system. 00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:05.090 Um, yeah. And so it's just, you won't shut the fuck up. 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:09.570 And I, it's very clear that it's going so well so far. 00:13:11.970 --> 00:13:18.230 A number of reports would indicate otherwise, Sam, that right now, 00:13:18.430 --> 00:13:22.030 in terms of 100 days for a president, 00:13:22.510 --> 00:13:30.150 in the modern history, this is about as bad in terms of approval, 00:13:30.570 --> 00:13:36.490 in terms of markets, in terms of everything that it's ever gone for any president ever. 00:13:36.690 --> 00:13:39.470 And yet we wonder why he bankrupted casinos. 00:13:41.450 --> 00:13:42.930 I've heard that's hard to do. 00:13:43.150 --> 00:13:48.490 It is. It's very hard. I mean, some casinos, and the thing is, 00:13:48.570 --> 00:13:52.870 bankrupt casinos, not where, you know, there were certain casino companies that 00:13:52.870 --> 00:13:56.490 borrowed too much money and they had trouble servicing the debt. 00:13:56.630 --> 00:13:59.330 But the casinos themselves were making money. 00:13:59.570 --> 00:14:05.330 Okay. So it was just, they just, you know, borrowed too much money of too high 00:14:05.330 --> 00:14:10.610 an interest rate. And so that caused them to be unable to pay the debt service. 00:14:10.770 --> 00:14:14.430 But the casino itself, the operation was solid. You understand what I'm saying? 00:14:14.750 --> 00:14:22.090 In his case, he did that where he borrowed the money bad and the casino was run like shit. 00:14:24.030 --> 00:14:28.090 So that's how he managed to do that achievement. 00:14:29.330 --> 00:14:36.330 It's very, very, very, how do I say? He's very innovative in that way. 00:14:36.510 --> 00:14:38.130 And so he's doing the same here. 00:14:38.330 --> 00:14:45.230 You know, I mean, it's just a bunch of idiot incompetence. He's basically dictating policy. 00:14:46.470 --> 00:14:52.730 It seems like Scott Bessent, it's one of the few that are non-lunatics around him. 00:14:52.910 --> 00:14:54.330 You know what that means, though, Yvonne? 00:14:54.670 --> 00:14:55.450 Yeah, what? 00:14:55.850 --> 00:14:58.470 He's going to be fired any day now. Yes, any day now. 00:14:58.830 --> 00:14:59.650 I don't know. 00:14:59.810 --> 00:15:03.810 Because he keeps telling him to, like, calm down, not do crazy things. 00:15:03.930 --> 00:15:08.190 Well, he's been doing stuff not in that way, as far as I've heard. 00:15:08.470 --> 00:15:12.790 The one thing that he did the last time, I guess, I think he did call on some 00:15:12.790 --> 00:15:15.090 people to appear on Fox Business News. 00:15:15.090 --> 00:15:18.010 which by the way we found that's how you talk 00:15:18.010 --> 00:15:21.690 to him right and talk about how bad shit is and 00:15:21.690 --> 00:15:24.650 then what he did is that apparently he showed him 00:15:24.650 --> 00:15:31.770 some kind of simple charts on the problems with the bond market and I guess 00:15:31.770 --> 00:15:38.110 he could understand those he said hey you're trying to drive down interest rates 00:15:38.110 --> 00:15:44.150 look at this they're selling them off it's going the wrong way, 00:15:46.010 --> 00:15:48.310 every time you yammer about this. 00:15:49.230 --> 00:15:53.290 So that kind of helped for a little bit, but it hasn't held. 00:15:53.430 --> 00:15:55.770 He keeps yammering away. 00:15:56.370 --> 00:15:59.950 That way, another interesting thing, you know, that they had to negotiate 90 00:15:59.950 --> 00:16:01.850 trade deals in like 90 days. 00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:02.730 Yes, yes, yes. 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:05.730 How many do you think he's done? 00:16:06.450 --> 00:16:06.910 None. 00:16:07.490 --> 00:16:08.610 You would be correct. 00:16:09.190 --> 00:16:11.350 Well, they're all going to come on day 89. 00:16:11.930 --> 00:16:13.230 Ah, that's what it is. 00:16:13.310 --> 00:16:14.570 They're going simultaneously. 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:17.150 Ah that's what i. 00:16:17.150 --> 00:16:20.470 Well you know here here's 00:16:20.470 --> 00:16:23.250 the thing i i presume a few of these will 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:26.790 actually get negotiated i mean it doesn't actually have to do 90 there's like 00:16:26.790 --> 00:16:31.750 four or five that really matter right and as we've talked about before it could 00:16:31.750 --> 00:16:36.930 just be like we change one comma in whatever agreements already existed and 00:16:36.930 --> 00:16:41.630 he can declare victory and you're done you know it doesn't have to be a substantive well i mean. 00:16:41.630 --> 00:16:47.850 He's going to here's a problem there's 90 of these here's the other thing okay 00:16:47.850 --> 00:16:51.810 look some people are just right now refusing to play ball. 00:16:51.810 --> 00:16:56.210 Well and and like they're just so they're like. 00:16:56.210 --> 00:16:59.210 They're they're just like fuck you we're not gonna play ball. 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:05.630 Well right because there's no even if you did there's no trust that anything 00:17:05.630 --> 00:17:08.650 you do would matter like You mentioned, 00:17:09.070 --> 00:17:16.610 well, last week you talked about, in a different context, the renegotiation of NAFTA, right? 00:17:16.910 --> 00:17:17.310 Right. 00:17:17.530 --> 00:17:23.590 Well, and it changed some really minor things and Trump declared— Very minor. But here's the thing. 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:27.870 Trump got into office— Now he's refudiating. Yeah. Trump got back into office 00:17:27.870 --> 00:17:30.910 and he ripped it to shreds. So what good was that agreement? 00:17:30.910 --> 00:17:35.630 Right. What good was Canada and Mexico going and negotiating with him when just 00:17:35.630 --> 00:17:38.050 a short amount of time later he would just, you know. 00:17:38.860 --> 00:17:40.400 Just renege on everything. Yeah. 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:46.120 Yeah. I mean, he's doing that left. Like most of what he's doing with tariffs 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:49.320 is violating one previous agreement or another. 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:51.620 And, you know, someone pointed out. 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.060 Like 20 of those countries around that number had free trade agreements with 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:57.020 the United States already. 00:17:57.820 --> 00:18:04.640 And someone pointed out, like, it's not just like a standard bit of international 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.460 affairs that everyone has typically assumed in the past. 00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:13.360 is that if a country signs a treaty or signs an agreement, even if it's not 00:18:13.360 --> 00:18:20.300 an official treaty, then subsequent governments of that country are still bound by that agreement. 00:18:20.840 --> 00:18:29.560 And so, you know, you have governments come and go, but the new government respects 00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:30.740 the previous agreements. 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:35.900 And hell, that even happened when, like, big changes, like the Soviet Union 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:38.680 becomes Russia plus all the independent states, right? 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:43.280 Like, even then, those obligations were carried forward. 00:18:43.580 --> 00:18:51.700 Donald Trump has shown that he not only doesn't care about agreements signed 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:56.740 by other presidents, he doesn't care about the agreements he signed himself. 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:03.600 I mean, and in that scenario, how can you possibly trust anything? 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:10.900 And what point is there in doing the negotiation other than to end up effectively 00:19:10.900 --> 00:19:12.780 genuflecting to Donald Trump? 00:19:13.300 --> 00:19:18.340 And maybe in the short term, he'll let you off the hook. Like, 00:19:18.580 --> 00:19:22.680 I mean, we had we had a couple rounds of this at the beginning with Canada, 00:19:22.860 --> 00:19:26.320 Mexico and Colombia, where basically he's like tariffs. 00:19:26.900 --> 00:19:31.140 And then they're like, hey, why don't we do this that we were going to do anyway? 00:19:31.320 --> 00:19:34.460 But why don't we do this? And he's like, OK, delay in the tariffs, 00:19:34.700 --> 00:19:39.540 you know, but there's only how many cycles of that is anybody going to be willing to go through? 00:19:39.540 --> 00:19:47.980 Well, yeah, and it's just that right now, I think the Chinese, 00:19:48.220 --> 00:19:51.700 for example, are just fed up. They've decided that they're not. 00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:56.800 He went, he said, yeah, they're done. They said, oh, bring us a proposal. 00:19:57.520 --> 00:20:02.140 And he's like, and they're like, why? Why? 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:08.880 You know, listen, you're the one that started the trade war. Where are your demands? 00:20:09.540 --> 00:20:15.900 What are you asking for? I mean, that's reasonable. Because this thing of asking about, 00:20:20.260 --> 00:20:24.160 that he's asking for, like, to balance the trade. It's just nuts, 00:20:24.780 --> 00:20:27.060 okay? It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, how do we do it? 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.160 You know, you want us to balance the trade? How? 00:20:30.360 --> 00:20:34.160 What the hell are we wanting from you that we could use for an extra couple 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.180 of hundred billion dollars in terms of merchandise? 00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:40.520 Because, again, he's not, they're not looking at services. They're not looking at anything else. 00:20:42.660 --> 00:20:45.980 And, like, everybody has made as an example, It's like the whole thing, 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:48.180 like going to a grocery store and getting pissed off at them. 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:49.960 Hey, I have a trade imbalance with you. 00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:57.100 You need to buy back from me like, you know, you know, $12,000 a year of stuff. 00:20:57.520 --> 00:21:05.840 You know, like it seems like, you know, and I know the impact on some countries will be significant. 00:21:05.840 --> 00:21:11.560 But it seems like in almost all these cases, given how irrational and how inconsistent 00:21:11.560 --> 00:21:17.280 Donald Trump is, the only real response is like, dude, do whatever you're going to do. 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.440 We're just going to ignore you. Like, whatever happens, happens. 00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:27.880 And but, you know, we're not going to respond. I mean, some of them are retaliating, 00:21:28.020 --> 00:21:33.660 but I feel like just doing nothing and ignoring it and saying, 00:21:33.760 --> 00:21:35.620 okay, you're hurting yourself with the tariffs. 00:21:35.780 --> 00:21:37.860 Yeah, we get some collateral damage on our side. 00:21:38.980 --> 00:21:42.400 We'll figure out how to deal with it is probably the smartest. 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.320 Now, there are a few countries, like China specifically, if they really wanted 00:21:47.320 --> 00:21:50.860 to get aggressive here, like I mentioned on the Commissions Corner Slack, 00:21:51.020 --> 00:21:54.380 and this is really extreme, and there are all kinds of reasons why they wouldn't do this. 00:21:54.380 --> 00:22:00.640 But China could theoretically say, you know what, you don't want our goods. 00:22:01.320 --> 00:22:02.600 We're just going to stop. 00:22:03.500 --> 00:22:07.320 Complete outright ban on exports to the United States for 30 days, 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:08.880 60 days, 90 days, whatever. 00:22:09.380 --> 00:22:13.260 They could do that. I mean, you know, well, listen, they've done already –, 00:22:14.670 --> 00:22:19.470 One of the things that they did was, you know, they're they're not allowing 00:22:19.470 --> 00:22:24.610 Boeing to deliver airplanes to to Chinese airlines like right now. 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:29.810 Yeah, no, no, definitely that. But what I'm saying is like, you know. 00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:32.670 No, but that's that's an aggressive move is what I'm saying. 00:22:32.750 --> 00:22:33.930 Yeah, no, that's aggressive. 00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:37.170 What I'm saying is like the move I suggested. No, I know. 00:22:37.270 --> 00:22:40.490 Which is to suspend everything that we don't they don't ship anything to us. 00:22:41.450 --> 00:22:45.670 What I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is in that scenario, 00:22:45.710 --> 00:22:48.270 it would basically be like, you don't want our stuff, 00:22:48.450 --> 00:22:54.610 feel the pain of not having our stuff because you have no idea how much of what 00:22:54.610 --> 00:22:57.950 your people consume on a daily basis is from here. 00:22:58.730 --> 00:23:02.390 And, and like, see how long it takes until you scream uncle. 00:23:02.990 --> 00:23:06.410 Right, right, right, right, right. I mean, they could do that, 00:23:06.490 --> 00:23:09.590 but that also would be quite economically painful. Oh, it would hurt them too. 00:23:09.730 --> 00:23:14.710 Absolutely. It would be brutal. But China has shown, through what their response 00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:18.070 to the pandemic was, they're willing to accept some pain. 00:23:18.310 --> 00:23:21.130 Listen, they're already accepting pain, like, right now. 00:23:21.310 --> 00:23:28.470 Look, there is a lot of canceled orders, increased costs, shit like that that 00:23:28.470 --> 00:23:32.770 is already happening with these tariffs in place, like, right now. 00:23:32.810 --> 00:23:38.390 And they're accepting that pain, like, right now. And they're accepting the 00:23:38.390 --> 00:23:44.450 pain because they figure, and rightly so, that they can withstand more pain than we can. 00:23:44.950 --> 00:23:47.910 Because it's less tenable politically over here. 00:23:49.150 --> 00:23:54.290 You know, she doesn't have to run for an election. 00:23:55.550 --> 00:24:01.790 Nobody over there has to run really for an election. They're not worried about the next election. 00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:07.350 The Republicans have to worry about midterms pretty soon. and special elections and some other stuff. 00:24:07.510 --> 00:24:13.130 And they already have an amount of pain inflicting on people that is already 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:17.550 hurting a lot of their constituents, that it's already showing up in the approval 00:24:17.550 --> 00:24:18.610 ratings for the president. 00:24:19.430 --> 00:24:27.830 I mean, for the first time ever, finally, it took this to beat this into people's heads. 00:24:28.070 --> 00:24:36.470 The Democrats right now finally have an edge on handling the economy in recent surveys. It took... 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.860 Biden losing, well, the Democrats losing because Biden wasn't running, 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:52.660 and for Trump to once again display his lack of any skills at doing this, for people to, I mean, 00:24:53.340 --> 00:24:54.980 realize, geez, 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.200 these Republicans are really shitty at this, aren't they? 00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:04.520 I mean, they've done it to us over and over, over and over, Sam, my lifetime. 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:05.900 Yes, yes. 00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:11.940 I mean, I don't get it. How the hell they skate with this shit? 00:25:12.040 --> 00:25:13.520 Oh, yeah, they're better on the economy. 00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:19.720 Look, back in the 80s, we had the SNL crisis. Okay? 00:25:20.760 --> 00:25:27.020 That fucking SNL crisis was due to basically Republican-led deregulation of 00:25:27.020 --> 00:25:31.960 these damn savings and loans, which basically, they just were out there totally 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.260 unregulated, And it's just fucking like loaning money left and right. 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:40.800 And, you know, we had half a half a trillion dollars of bad loans out there 00:25:40.800 --> 00:25:44.100 and we had to pick up the mess and it caused a big recession. 00:25:45.060 --> 00:25:52.760 And, you know, and so that that was that was the first time that W came along more to regulation, 00:25:53.040 --> 00:25:58.100 fucked us again with, you know, the 2008 crash, which was the biggest part of 00:25:58.100 --> 00:26:00.600 it was also deregulation of the financial sector. 00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:05.820 That they nailed us with lack of oversight and the financial sector just took 00:26:05.820 --> 00:26:09.060 crazy risk again and fucked us over again, okay? 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:16.520 Second time, okay? And then, you know, look, Trump, what has he done? 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:21.120 I mean, the first time, he kind of like coasted through and like did some tax 00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:26.980 breaks, but the reality is, and look, he grossly mismanaged the pandemic, okay? 00:26:27.340 --> 00:26:31.840 Yep. That's just a fact, okay? The pandemic was way worse and people have been 00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:35.600 at each other's throats and angrier because of him. Yep. Period. 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.040 End of discussion. Biden comes in, the economy, he did a lot of actions that 00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:44.140 actually did a lot of the things that he purportedly said he was going to do. 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:48.200 Infrastructure week, Sam. Remember how many infrastructure weeks we had under 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.580 the first Trump? He didn't pass a single fucking infrastructure bill. The wall. 00:26:52.780 --> 00:26:53.220 Wall. 00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:58.040 Oh, yeah, we got about three or four miles of wall. And then Biden passed an 00:26:58.040 --> 00:27:01.200 infrastructure bill, and then this motherfucker comes back, and he starts like 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.700 basically trying to undermine it, even though it's the shit that he wanted done 00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:06.920 in the first place. Yeah. 00:27:07.060 --> 00:27:09.280 I mean, this guy is just... 00:27:09.280 --> 00:27:12.980 Oh, and bringing back manufacturing, also undermining that one. 00:27:13.120 --> 00:27:16.900 Because, I mean, Biden knew that you can't just force them to bring the factories back. 00:27:17.060 --> 00:27:22.180 So, hey, let's... Big incentives. Hey, let's target certain industries. 00:27:22.520 --> 00:27:27.260 Let's go and let's, you know, let's, you know, electric cars. 00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:31.040 Yeah, that's important. It's not just like. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.760 Let's bring back sock manufacturers. Sneaker manufacturers. 00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:34.320 Yeah. 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:40.940 Right. You know, like the survey showed. It's let's do clean energy stuff. But of course. 00:27:41.340 --> 00:27:45.300 Let's do the future. Because, you know, the past, you know. Hey, we're not. No, no. 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:50.360 Yvonne, clean coal is the future. Ah, the clean coal. 00:27:50.580 --> 00:27:52.200 Yes, I forgot. Or what does he call it? 00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:54.640 Beautiful clean coal? Beautiful clean coal. 00:27:54.820 --> 00:27:57.240 Something like that. Yes. Yes. The beautiful clean coal. 00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:05.650 What the fuck, man? So he goes and he spent the whole fucking weekend trying 00:28:05.650 --> 00:28:08.930 to badger Powell to lower rates. Yep. 00:28:09.510 --> 00:28:12.930 Pete on our Slack mentioned probably quite accurately that, 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:15.930 and I'm pretty sure he is right on this, 00:28:16.050 --> 00:28:22.110 that part of the reason why Carter inherited such a bad financial situation 00:28:22.110 --> 00:28:28.150 was because Nixon did the same thing in the early 70s, 00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:32.130 with the oil shock and shit because inflation was going through the roof and 00:28:32.130 --> 00:28:33.370 the economy was in the crapper. 00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:37.850 And then he like had wanted the Fed to lower interest rates. 00:28:38.190 --> 00:28:43.650 Problem is, as I've said here repeatedly, is it's very inflationary. 00:28:44.070 --> 00:28:49.330 And so, you know, Carter wound up with this inflation that was like raging because 00:28:49.330 --> 00:28:56.190 of all this shit that Nixon had put in place between the oil embargo and that kind of stuff. 00:28:56.190 --> 00:28:59.270 the policies that he did that weren't helping that situation, 00:28:59.690 --> 00:29:04.110 and he wound up in a very difficult situation. 00:29:04.330 --> 00:29:10.950 So, this shit is likely to do the same kind of crap. 00:29:11.350 --> 00:29:13.270 It's not a great outcome, Sam. 00:29:13.510 --> 00:29:15.530 Now, let's mention for a second, like, 00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:23.670 according to the laws that exist, Donald Trump cannot actually remove the Fed chair. 00:29:23.870 --> 00:29:31.370 That's Correct, yes. But look, that being illegal hasn't stopped him from trying. 00:29:31.630 --> 00:29:37.430 Now, if I understand correctly, he could theoretically remove him for cause, 00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:40.690 and that's the loophole because he can make up a cause. 00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:49.130 and then the question is like, well, what's the, you know, who adjudicates whether 00:29:49.130 --> 00:29:51.810 the cause is good enough, Go to the courts. 00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:55.630 It'll have to go to courts. It'll have to go up to SCOTUS and then SCOTUS will 00:29:55.630 --> 00:30:01.250 have to decide, like, can the president decide on his own authority? Sam, have you. 00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:04.430 Noticed something that's happened the last couple of weeks with SCOTUS? 00:30:04.630 --> 00:30:09.250 They have been going against Trump more often, but not just that. 00:30:09.370 --> 00:30:14.030 It's not just good to going against Trump. It, It's the speed. 00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:16.850 Yes, they have been asking relatively quickly. 00:30:17.070 --> 00:30:21.810 Now, they sent out like a fucking like ruling the other day at one in the, 00:30:21.870 --> 00:30:24.430 you know, in the middle of the fucking night. Okay. 00:30:24.970 --> 00:30:26.730 Because they were looking to 00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:31.210 stop some additional deportation flights that were about to happen. Right. 00:30:31.590 --> 00:30:39.770 Yeah. All of a sudden, you know, these fucking assholes that enabled this whole fucking scenario. 00:30:39.770 --> 00:30:44.770 These same assholes who decided to take nine months to issue a ruling on presidential 00:30:44.770 --> 00:30:46.110 immunity and all this. Right. 00:30:46.190 --> 00:30:49.830 And then issue one that basically is just, you know, preposterous. 00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:51.350 Let's be clear about this. 00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:54.830 And basically enabled this guy to think he could act with impunity. 00:30:54.910 --> 00:30:57.390 Now all of a sudden are like, oh, shit. 00:30:57.870 --> 00:31:06.250 You know, and worse. I mean, they declared, for example, that he could legally run for president. 00:31:07.610 --> 00:31:11.610 Alito did put in a dissent saying that the rest of the court was being hasty. 00:31:13.710 --> 00:31:14.810 Rushed and hasty. 00:31:15.370 --> 00:31:19.770 Here's the interesting thing. The only two guys that put in those objections 00:31:19.770 --> 00:31:22.410 was Alito and fucking Thomas. 00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:27.090 Not even his appointees were on board with his shit. Yeah. 00:31:27.410 --> 00:31:31.750 I mean, I think we're still barreling towards what I mean. 00:31:31.750 --> 00:31:40.550 I predicted last week that Trump would not make it an explicit confrontation 00:31:40.550 --> 00:31:45.890 with the court and try to basically say he's following what they say while still 00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:49.210 not actually following what they say. But we'll see. 00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:54.170 I think we've got several more issues that are going to adapt to SCOTUS. 00:31:54.310 --> 00:31:56.590 I think this is escalating. But here's the. 00:31:56.590 --> 00:31:59.990 Thing that's happening right now. One of the things that he was counting on 00:31:59.990 --> 00:32:04.850 was SCOTUS... Rubber stamping what he did. Or no, taking their time. 00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.710 Right. Because the one thing that he's always... It's delay, delay, delay. 00:32:09.930 --> 00:32:13.410 Well, all of a sudden, SCOTUS has been, oh, fuck these delays. 00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:16.790 No, we're sending out something, like, quicker. 00:32:18.770 --> 00:32:25.990 Which kind of short circuits a big part of his MO, okay? By moving that quickly. Right. 00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:31.660 But, you know, again, these are the assholes that went and ruled that for some 00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:35.240 reason, the fucking constitutional amendment, which basically said that he should 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.440 not have been allowed to run for fucking president. 00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:42.620 OK, that it was. Oh, no, just Congress is the one that decides. 00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:46.920 I'm like, you know, fuck, that's not what it said. It's any of that. 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.920 Well, you. Yeah, we don't have to rehash that one. But but they could have. 00:32:53.260 --> 00:32:53.980 They have. 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:59.500 Congress should have passed legislation a century or more ago on how to go about that. 00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:04.460 And actually, there was some legislation in the aftermath of the Civil War, 00:33:04.580 --> 00:33:09.860 but it expired. It had an expiration date on it in terms of defining what the 00:33:09.860 --> 00:33:13.700 procedures were to determine who was affected. 00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:17.400 Yeah, but hell, I didn't realize that that legislation existed. 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.800 If it had that already in place, why the fuck did they act like it was just 00:33:22.800 --> 00:33:24.820 Congress? Like, I mean, it's just... 00:33:24.820 --> 00:33:30.480 Well, Congress did that legislation. I mean, basically, in the wake of the Civil 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.580 War, Congress passed actual legislation that defined how to... No, no, no. 00:33:34.580 --> 00:33:39.240 But how was the process? I mean, do you recall? I don't remember what the process was. 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:45.340 There was a process that expired, like, X number of decades after the Civil 00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:46.920 War, because they put an end date on it. 00:33:48.220 --> 00:33:50.520 Well, they enabled the monster. Yes. 00:33:50.520 --> 00:33:51.120 And so now. 00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:53.760 They've got to figure out how to deal with it. Yeah. 00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:55.520 And... 00:33:56.780 --> 00:34:02.400 I think we still have a situation where it is situational, like how many of 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.260 the justices will be on which side. 00:34:04.560 --> 00:34:11.260 But we've had a sequence of cases over the last couple of weeks where the court 00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:16.120 has clearly had the majority for, yeah, no, this is not okay. 00:34:17.140 --> 00:34:24.080 And the only two guys that are just on the hard line on some occasions. 00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:28.020 Because even in one case, they went 9-0. they were like totally unanimous but 00:34:28.020 --> 00:34:33.080 in the ones that the only guys that are peeling off are alito and thomas right. 00:34:33.080 --> 00:34:41.440 So we shall see things up and down in the courts any any market predictions for the rest of the week, 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:45.060 it depends what. 00:34:45.060 --> 00:34:48.920 The futures were 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.320 up a little bit today i don't know you know 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:56.600 we see how asha is doing right now and we go and like put it on i mean i don't 00:34:56.600 --> 00:35:05.140 know i did turn off but i i mean i don't know it's just look it's it's we're 00:35:05.140 --> 00:35:08.540 not going back to highs anytime soon i'll tell you that right now you think 00:35:08.540 --> 00:35:12.000 it'll be a while it'll just gonna be a while except in gold, 00:35:14.420 --> 00:35:20.580 gold keeps soaring i it's just i mean i i it's just it's just ridiculous the 00:35:20.580 --> 00:35:26.480 amount of the percentage that gold is up right now since, I mean, 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:31.460 I, I, I, since I bought gold in early February right now, 00:35:32.930 --> 00:35:35.330 up 16 percent okay. 00:35:35.330 --> 00:35:37.290 It's not even three. 00:35:37.290 --> 00:35:44.450 Months nice okay it's just it's just it's just crazy that gold is up that much 00:35:44.450 --> 00:35:46.750 in such a brief period of time okay. 00:35:46.750 --> 00:35:51.310 Let let's take a break and then we can do at least two more things we'll see 00:35:51.310 --> 00:35:56.730 about more than that but so this break i mentioned last week that the next break 00:35:56.730 --> 00:36:01.750 was supposed to be a wiki of the day break oh wait i was gonna give the Asia market. 00:36:01.930 --> 00:36:05.990 Something kind of flat. Asia's maybe a little bit down, kind of flat. 00:36:06.150 --> 00:36:08.970 Nothing to write home about right now. Okay. 00:36:09.490 --> 00:36:16.350 And the futures for tomorrow, they were showing up last time I checked, 00:36:16.590 --> 00:36:19.750 slightly up for the U.S. Buy, buy, buy. 00:36:20.510 --> 00:36:20.650 Right? 00:36:20.990 --> 00:36:21.550 Buy the dip? 00:36:21.810 --> 00:36:23.790 Is it time to buy the dip yet? 00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:28.410 No, it's not time to buy the dip. Try to tell people it's not even close to 00:36:28.410 --> 00:36:34.190 buying to fucking dip maybe look if trump has a heart attack tomorrow then it's time to buy what what. 00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:38.650 If what if you've just stuck to and maintained dollar cost averaging over this 00:36:38.650 --> 00:36:41.010 whole period just keep at it well listen. 00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:46.730 I i i one thing i would say is like during this time i i think that if you've 00:36:46.730 --> 00:36:51.890 got a program like buying like say your ira for example like your 401k, 00:36:52.850 --> 00:36:57.170 depositing, you should continue buying because these are at low prices. 00:36:57.690 --> 00:36:59.650 What I'm saying is that if you 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:03.950 sold a significant position like a few months, like the gold I sold, but. 00:37:03.950 --> 00:37:04.670 I am not. 00:37:04.670 --> 00:37:11.990 Moving right now from gold into something. I expect at some point to do a pivot 00:37:11.990 --> 00:37:15.270 on that, but it's not right now. Right. 00:37:15.490 --> 00:37:15.690 Okay. 00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:19.570 It's not, and I don't expect it to be in the next couple of months either. 00:37:20.730 --> 00:37:26.530 Okay. So anyway, I was saying last week I was supposed to use a Wiki of the 00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:28.870 Day break, but I didn't have time. I didn't prepare it. 00:37:29.130 --> 00:37:33.310 So this week, as I was going to prepare the Wiki of the Day break, 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:36.510 my son Alex came and had a specific request. 00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:42.070 Like I normally just pick randomly one of the three current Wiki of the Days 00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:45.690 whenever I include one here. But Alex did not want that. 00:37:45.990 --> 00:37:52.670 Alex had a specific episode from last year that he wanted me to include. 00:37:53.450 --> 00:37:58.810 So we went and found that episode from last year. It was from last June. 00:37:59.630 --> 00:38:04.170 And I will use that as the break. It's not the special curmudgeon's corner version 00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:09.110 of Wiki of the Day. It's the actual full episode, but here we go. 00:38:09.330 --> 00:38:17.510 A special Alex selection for a wiki of the day that is especially meaningful 00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:22.130 to him and that we hope will be meaningful to you too. 00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:28.270 Featured wiki of the day, your daily dose of knowledge from Wikipedia's finest articles. 00:38:28.530 --> 00:38:32.550 The featured article for Wednesday, June 26, 2024 is torture. 00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:36.990 Torture is the deliberate infliction of severe pain or suffering on a person 00:38:36.990 --> 00:38:41.010 for various reasons, including punishment, extracting a confession, 00:38:41.410 --> 00:38:44.770 interrogation for information, or intimidating third parties. 00:38:45.010 --> 00:38:48.190 Some definitions are restricted to acts carried out by the state, 00:38:48.370 --> 00:38:50.590 but others include non-state organizations. 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:55.530 Most victims of torture are poor and marginalized people suspected of crimes, 00:38:55.770 --> 00:39:00.130 although torture against political prisoners or during armed conflict has received 00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:01.470 disproportionate attention. 00:39:01.970 --> 00:39:06.130 Judicial corporal punishment and capital punishment are sometimes seen as forms 00:39:06.130 --> 00:39:09.350 of torture, but this label is internationally controversial. 00:39:09.670 --> 00:39:13.630 A variety of methods of torture are used, often in combination. 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:18.530 The most common form of physical torture is beatings. Since the 20th century, 00:39:18.950 --> 00:39:23.610 many torturers have preferred non-scarring or psychological methods to provide deniability. 00:39:23.950 --> 00:39:28.450 Torturers more commonly act out of fear or due to limited resources than sadism. 00:39:28.930 --> 00:39:32.650 Although most torturers are thought to learn about torture techniques informally 00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:36.790 and rarely receive an explicit order, they are enabled by organizations that 00:39:36.790 --> 00:39:38.770 facilitate and encourage their behavior. 00:39:39.090 --> 00:39:43.790 Once a torture program is begun, it usually escalates beyond what is intended 00:39:43.790 --> 00:39:47.330 initially and often leads to involved agencies losing effectiveness. 00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:52.430 Aims to break the victim's will and destroy their agency and personality and 00:39:52.430 --> 00:39:56.170 is cited as one of the most damaging experiences that a person can undergo. 00:39:56.630 --> 00:40:02.510 Many victims suffer both physical damage, chronic pain is particularly common, and mental sequelae. 00:40:02.770 --> 00:40:06.850 Although torture survivors have among the highest rates of post-traumatic stress 00:40:06.850 --> 00:40:09.570 disorder, many are psychologically resilient. 00:40:09.830 --> 00:40:12.210 Torture has been carried out since ancient times. 00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:17.250 Still, in the 18th and 19th centuries, many Western countries abolished the 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:21.110 official use of torture in the judicial system, although torture continued to 00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:22.390 be used throughout the world. 00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.330 Public opinion research has shown general opposition to torture. 00:40:26.710 --> 00:40:31.410 Torture is prohibited under international law for all states under all circumstances 00:40:31.410 --> 00:40:34.010 and is explicitly forbidden by several treaties. 00:40:34.550 --> 00:40:38.370 Opposition to torture stimulated the formation of the human rights movement 00:40:38.370 --> 00:40:42.890 after World War II, and torture continues to be an important human rights issue. 00:40:43.330 --> 00:40:46.030 Although prevention efforts have been of mixed effectiveness, 00:40:46.490 --> 00:40:51.390 institutional reforms and elimination of incommunicado detention have had positive effects. 00:40:51.590 --> 00:40:56.170 Although its incidence has declined, torture is still practiced in most countries. 00:40:56.510 --> 00:41:03.330 This recording reflects the Wikipedia text as of 2.05 UTC on Wednesday, June 26, 2024. 00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:07.450 For the full current version of the article, search Wikipedia for torture. 00:41:07.750 --> 00:41:10.730 This podcast uses content from wikipedia under the 00:41:10.730 --> 00:41:15.450 creative commons attribution share like license visit our archives at wiki of 00:41:15.450 --> 00:41:20.430 the day.com and subscribe to stay updated on new episodes follow us on mastodon 00:41:20.430 --> 00:41:25.410 at wiki of the day at masto.ai also check out curmudgeon's corner a current 00:41:25.410 --> 00:41:29.930 events podcast until next time i'm neural joanna well. 00:41:29.930 --> 00:41:36.070 There we go wow was it was it as touching for you as it is for alex, 00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:41.260 warm and fuzzies inside from no. 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:45.660 Not exactly. No. From a, from a fucking like, you know, academic, 00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:48.340 you know, discussion on torture. Yeah. 00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:55.980 Okay. Um, I guess it's my turn. Yes. 00:41:56.240 --> 00:42:00.480 I guess I added some things. So to remind you certain things. Yeah. 00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:01.080 As we were. 00:42:01.600 --> 00:42:02.120 Yes. 00:42:02.200 --> 00:42:07.880 I saw you adding things, but you know, Well, I'm going to do my movie. 00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:13.480 Okay, go through your goal. All right, goal movie. All right, what do we got? My movie. 00:42:13.600 --> 00:42:18.560 Twilight Zone. No, not yet. Well, Twilight Zone's a TV show if you're looking 00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:20.300 on. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a TV show. 00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:22.880 Not a movie, not a movie. But no, Adiparash. 00:42:25.180 --> 00:42:25.540 Adiparash. 00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:27.660 I don't even know what the fuck this is. 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.320 So it's because it's an Indian movie. 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:39.620 in Hindi or Tagaloo, Telugu, sorry. 00:42:39.980 --> 00:42:45.300 I'm looking at, before you continue, I looked it up. Okay, yes. 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.440 Wow, this is interesting. 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:55.500 It has a 2.7 out of 10 on IMDB. 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.260 And it has a 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. 00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:09.120 Yes. holy shit that's that's that's not good I mean a 2.7 on IMDB is has to be one of the worst. 00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:11.680 Movies on IMDB. 00:43:11.680 --> 00:43:14.220 It has to be so. 00:43:14.220 --> 00:43:19.040 Let me tell you so first of all this is the first one we've watched that's like 00:43:19.040 --> 00:43:26.340 an Indian language movie I don't I think we watched the Hindi version with English subtitles, 00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:30.940 but it's look 00:43:30.940 --> 00:43:34.140 my my experience while watching 00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:37.040 it was just oh my god this is 00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:43.780 so bizarre okay and part of this was like i was like is this just what bollywood 00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:48.440 is like i haven't watched a real bollywood movie before and this is this wasn't 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.100 really like the song and dance kind although there was a little bit of that 00:43:52.100 --> 00:43:55.520 okay so by the way i just looked it up yeah it is ranked. 00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:59.120 As the not the worst one. 00:44:00.020 --> 00:44:00.980 On imdb. 00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:03.940 But it is 30th 30th okay. 00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:05.140 Yes it is it. 00:44:05.140 --> 00:44:10.920 Is it's a bit that basically mean there's only 29 movies that are worse that nip on imdb yes. 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.540 So this was so just to read the the wikipedia summary real quick. 00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:21.980 The name translates to The First Man. It's a 2023 Indian mythological action 00:44:21.980 --> 00:44:27.900 film inspired by the Hindu epic Ramayana. It's, 00:44:29.060 --> 00:44:33.880 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was heavily panned by critics and audience 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:38.200 alike who critiqued the screenplay, dialogues, and visuals. 00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:40.980 It emerged as a block of a novel. Everything, basically. 00:44:41.120 --> 00:44:44.380 There's nothing good about it. Not the writing, not the acting, 00:44:44.680 --> 00:44:48.400 and not any of the special effects, not the filming, nothing. 00:44:48.720 --> 00:44:55.600 So here's the thing, though. When I was watching it, I was just sort of stunned 00:44:55.600 --> 00:44:58.860 by, like... How bad it was? 00:44:59.060 --> 00:45:04.820 Well, the thing is, it was so stylized as well. And I honestly wasn't sure, 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.600 is it supposed to be this way? 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.280 Like, is it over the top and bad on purpose? 00:45:10.140 --> 00:45:18.280 And like, you know, I did some... It is almost, almost at the point where it's 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.260 bad enough to be entertaining by how bad it is. 00:45:22.680 --> 00:45:27.740 But you said almost, but barely almost, but not there. 00:45:27.740 --> 00:45:30.620 You know well you know like there's that other 00:45:30.620 --> 00:45:34.960 one uh what was the other bad one you sent me to that 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.920 we've talked about on the show before that that 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.780 you watched the one with the bounty hunter guy trying to rescue the the the 00:45:44.780 --> 00:45:50.280 woman who'd been kidnapped it was really low budget really bad low blow low 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.000 blow yes that yeah yeah low blow yeah yeah low blow walked out listen. 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.300 We walked out of the theater on low blow low. 00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:02.400 Blow was bad in a way that was just bad there yeah that was i mean there was. 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.260 No you know you it was just bad you couldn't there was. 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:10.700 No redeeming qualities you couldn't even laugh at how bad it was no this on 00:46:10.700 --> 00:46:17.860 the other bad this on the other hand i will say like i the whole time it did 00:46:17.860 --> 00:46:19.900 have my attention because 00:46:20.230 --> 00:46:23.670 was like, what the fuck is going on now? 00:46:23.990 --> 00:46:29.270 Like there were just crazy things happening. There were just weird special effects. 00:46:29.550 --> 00:46:34.710 Like apparently one of the criticisms this got when it was released was apparently 00:46:34.710 --> 00:46:38.190 there was a trailer that went out where the special effects were really horrible. 00:46:38.470 --> 00:46:42.470 And so they improved the special effects before they released the movie, 00:46:42.470 --> 00:46:45.030 but it was still really bad. 00:46:45.470 --> 00:46:49.930 And, you know, but they're just sort of, the whole thing was surreal. 00:46:50.230 --> 00:46:57.910 It was surrealistic and like, and it just, I'm actually going to give it a thumbs 00:46:57.910 --> 00:47:01.290 sideways, not a thumbs down, you know? Wow. 00:47:01.730 --> 00:47:06.970 Because while I could not by any stretch of the imagination say this was good, 00:47:06.970 --> 00:47:11.710 the whole damn time I was intrigued. 00:47:12.410 --> 00:47:16.650 I was like, what the hell is going on? What is happening? 00:47:16.890 --> 00:47:21.050 Why is this happening? Now, some of it I'm sure is because like, 00:47:21.190 --> 00:47:25.710 I'm not familiar with the Hindu epic that this was based on. 00:47:25.830 --> 00:47:30.890 If I was, maybe I'd have more context, but I had none of that going into this. 00:47:30.890 --> 00:47:34.270 So it was just all just weird and bizarre. 00:47:34.790 --> 00:47:42.850 And it had the surrealistic style and the bad CGI and, you know, people. 00:47:44.990 --> 00:47:51.630 It's hard to even describe the damn thing all super saturated colors yeah, 00:47:53.090 --> 00:47:59.690 like i'm not i it was 179 minutes long i can tell you right now i would not 00:47:59.690 --> 00:48:08.950 want to watch all 179 minutes oh jesus 179 minutes holy shit fucking three. 00:48:08.950 --> 00:48:11.270 Hour movie yes. 00:48:11.270 --> 00:48:21.530 And you know but i will say it's worth watching at least a few minutes of like 00:48:21.530 --> 00:48:26.910 if you can find where this is streaming and watch a few minutes of it and just get a flavor. 00:48:27.110 --> 00:48:31.510 Maybe skip around, fast forward, rewind, pick random spots in the middle. 00:48:31.710 --> 00:48:36.830 Like the plot is incoherent enough to an outsider who doesn't know this that 00:48:36.830 --> 00:48:39.550 I don't think it matters where in the movie you start. 00:48:39.770 --> 00:48:45.850 You just pick a random spot and watch five to 10 minutes and you'll get the idea. 00:48:45.850 --> 00:48:51.970 And, you know, again, my, my fundamental reaction is, was being stunned, 00:48:52.230 --> 00:48:56.290 being like, what the hell, what the hell am I watching? 00:48:56.290 --> 00:49:02.010 I don't get it, but it's somehow still drawing me in to like. 00:49:03.390 --> 00:49:07.650 It, not quite a train wreck kind of way. 00:49:07.650 --> 00:49:14.050 more like you know and i i honestly haven't done this so i'm talking via anecdote 00:49:14.050 --> 00:49:21.250 but like some kind of psychedelic trip you know it's just like weird and bizarre 00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:24.890 and colorful and you know so, 00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:28.370 i don't have any real psychedelic trips to compare it 00:49:28.370 --> 00:49:31.190 to in my history but it's what i imagined that would be like 00:49:31.190 --> 00:49:34.490 so there you go thumb sideways 00:49:34.490 --> 00:49:37.190 for adipurish adipurish i don't 00:49:37.190 --> 00:49:40.170 know the right way to pronounce it i'm sorry no better a 00:49:40.170 --> 00:49:47.570 di you are ush and you're giving it a thumb sideways and and i'm pretty sure 00:49:47.570 --> 00:49:51.410 i watched the hindi version but apparently it was released both in hindi and 00:49:51.410 --> 00:49:55.630 telugu from the beginning but it didn't matter i don't know either one of those 00:49:55.630 --> 00:49:58.870 languages i mean and so i watched that's what i was gonna. 00:49:58.870 --> 00:50:02.730 Say i'm like what the hell like what makes a fucking difference but i'm like 00:50:02.730 --> 00:50:05.610 i'm assuming obviously it's subtitled yes. 00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:06.810 I watched the English. Not dubbed. 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:07.430 Okay. 00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:10.910 We watched it with English subtitles. Yeah. I try to be like, 00:50:11.570 --> 00:50:17.390 I try to avoid dubbing like for almost everything. Like I will go it. 00:50:17.570 --> 00:50:19.750 I will search out the subtitled version. 00:50:19.950 --> 00:50:24.930 Like we aren't at this yet, but I, there was a Godzilla movie that we watched 00:50:24.930 --> 00:50:30.090 later from this where the first place I found it streaming was dubbed. 00:50:30.610 --> 00:50:36.410 And I actually went and bought a DVD of the movie so that I could get a subtitled 00:50:36.410 --> 00:50:37.990 version instead of a dubbed version. 00:50:38.290 --> 00:50:40.290 When I was in Puerto Rico, when I was growing up. 00:50:41.700 --> 00:50:45.580 In the theaters, or actually, I haven't been to a movie in the theater in Puerto 00:50:45.580 --> 00:50:49.760 Rico, but I'm assuming this is still the case. They're always subtitled in Spanish. 00:50:50.040 --> 00:50:54.200 Okay? Puerto Rico, they did not play dubbed versions. Thank God. 00:50:54.380 --> 00:50:57.920 Okay? They always had just subtitled versions of all the movies. Okay? 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:03.600 But on TV, local TV, everything was dubbed. Okay? 00:51:04.040 --> 00:51:08.260 All the TV programs, everything was dubbed. And at first growing up, 00:51:08.600 --> 00:51:14.520 I mean, i was like whatever i didn't know anything else but when i first started except movies on tv. 00:51:15.180 --> 00:51:18.200 At movies at the theater right um then when 00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:21.700 i started to be able to get some of these versions like a 00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:25.360 whole a lot of it like in english because 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.420 i knew english okay so it became like really 00:51:28.420 --> 00:51:31.280 really irritating where i was just 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.340 like i don't want anything else dubbed ever again 00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:37.160 please if i can avoid it i just cannot i i really 00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:40.660 the ones that i will say that actually were 00:51:40.660 --> 00:51:43.620 not that bad well actually 00:51:43.620 --> 00:51:47.100 don't let's change that the cart there were actually 00:51:47.100 --> 00:51:49.840 good the cartoons i will say that 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.740 i don't know if they did something with with it 00:51:52.740 --> 00:51:56.700 additionally in order to make it that it wasn't dubbed but watching the flintstones 00:51:56.700 --> 00:52:02.100 in spanish you know what listen it's i mean they got some guy that did a good 00:52:02.100 --> 00:52:06.500 friend flintstone in spanish okay all right and you know you don't have it so 00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:12.540 it worked out it it was actually pretty good okay the flintstones in spanish they were funny okay. 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:21.160 Whereas almost every other tv program that was dubbed was just i mean it was just annoying i i mean. 00:52:21.160 --> 00:52:25.260 Like the thing is with live action you definitely have the the misalignment 00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:28.720 between what you're seeing on the screen and the talking and that does go away 00:52:28.720 --> 00:52:29.820 in the cartoon because like. 00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:30.620 It's a. 00:52:30.620 --> 00:52:35.800 Voice actor anyway. Yes, it's a voice actor anyway. The lips don't match exactly anyway. You know? 00:52:36.820 --> 00:52:39.520 But, you know, even there, I feel like, 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:46.040 I don't have a current show like this, but there are shows on my list that if 00:52:46.040 --> 00:52:51.080 I ever start them, are cartoons where the original language is not English. 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:58.440 I would still seek out the original language, you know, just to be more authentic. 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:04.820 Oh, for most of them, you're right. It just happened to be that the Flintstones 00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:09.700 in Spanish turned out to be pretty damn good. You know, whoever they got to 00:53:09.700 --> 00:53:13.280 play the characters in Spanish actually worked out very well. 00:53:13.420 --> 00:53:16.500 And the names they picked in the translations were also hilarious. 00:53:16.780 --> 00:53:20.020 OK, because they didn't call it wasn't Fred Flintstone in Spanish. 00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:21.660 It was Pedro Pica Piedra. 00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:26.480 OK, and that name was actually pretty damn good. You know, Barney Rubble was 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.200 Pablo Marmol, for example. 00:53:28.420 --> 00:53:30.880 And all those names are names that you talk in Spanish. 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:38.240 it's one of those things where that one, whoever did it, really took the time 00:53:38.240 --> 00:53:41.700 no, no, no, we gotta make this right so this works, okay? 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.020 And they really did, you know, whoever they picked for the voiceovers and whatever 00:53:46.020 --> 00:53:48.900 they had a very similar like... 00:53:49.770 --> 00:53:53.610 they knew how to play the character okay as well 00:53:53.610 --> 00:53:58.910 so they did a good job but on most many of them they reuse the same voice actors 00:53:58.910 --> 00:54:03.390 for a whole bunch of fucking tvs tv programs so it's really annoying because 00:54:03.390 --> 00:54:06.850 it's like you're watching say the six million dollar man and then you're watching 00:54:06.850 --> 00:54:10.150 magma but i'm like what the fuck's the same goddamn voice on both different 00:54:10.150 --> 00:54:12.050 programs this is really annoying although. 00:54:12.050 --> 00:54:17.290 I gather in some cases now for cartoons because they're building for an international 00:54:17.290 --> 00:54:22.030 audience to begin with, it's getting harder to determine what is the original 00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:23.590 language because right off the bat, 00:54:23.950 --> 00:54:29.370 they're animating it once with the intention of we're going to hire casts for 15 languages. 00:54:29.370 --> 00:54:32.670 I'll tell you one thing that was like that. Okay, for example, 00:54:32.790 --> 00:54:37.530 my son watched when he was little was Pocoyo, which is from Spain originally. 00:54:37.810 --> 00:54:42.130 And they had an English version of Pocoyo as well. They actually had two different 00:54:42.130 --> 00:54:45.350 English versions. I remember one for British English, for American English. 00:54:45.350 --> 00:54:47.730 I've watched all three versions of Folkio. 00:54:48.270 --> 00:54:52.210 And so the thing is that that one was one that really, you know, 00:54:53.090 --> 00:54:56.450 it's very obvious that they planned it for all three languages. 00:54:56.630 --> 00:55:00.730 But I will say I definitely liked it. It's a lot better in Spanish. 00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:06.850 That one, I cannot argue that one. To me, it was a little bit annoying. I'm like, oh, fuck. 00:55:07.330 --> 00:55:09.870 God, we recorded an English episode. 00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:14.990 The thing is, even if they know from the beginning they're going to have voice 00:55:14.990 --> 00:55:17.830 acting casts for like 20 languages. 00:55:18.470 --> 00:55:21.950 They're writing the episode first in one language. 00:55:22.170 --> 00:55:26.130 That's the one I want to find because that's the one that's going to be most 00:55:26.130 --> 00:55:28.070 natural and closer to the intent. 00:55:28.370 --> 00:55:34.110 But if I don't know the language, I'm still going off the captions and there's 00:55:34.110 --> 00:55:35.610 still liberties taken with captions. 00:55:36.870 --> 00:55:42.570 One of the things, if nothing else, you have to translate the idioms to something 00:55:42.570 --> 00:55:46.270 that makes sense for the language you're in, because you'd be like, what? 00:55:46.610 --> 00:55:50.490 Because idioms don't translate literally, usually. 00:55:51.250 --> 00:55:57.750 But also, I've noticed even... We always watch TV with the captions on. 00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:03.410 And so one of the things that Alex and I regularly do is notice when the captions 00:56:03.410 --> 00:56:05.290 don't match what the person said. 00:56:05.630 --> 00:56:11.150 And it's all the fucking time. Even in English captions for an English show. 00:56:11.370 --> 00:56:14.330 They're mismatches all the time. 00:56:14.830 --> 00:56:17.210 Most commonly, it's like shortened 00:56:17.210 --> 00:56:23.390 phrases, like where they simplify the sentence to get it on the screen. 00:56:23.630 --> 00:56:27.450 But sometimes it's just completely different. And it's like... 00:56:27.450 --> 00:56:30.630 I'll tell you the one that was like hilarious beyond that was, 00:56:30.790 --> 00:56:34.390 I always loved when they translated movie titles for posters. 00:56:34.810 --> 00:56:40.970 Where it's just that some of the movie titles played, but some it was just like, 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:47.280 what it's called in Spanish. What? We were like, just, we just, 00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:49.460 we just, you know, laughing. 00:56:49.520 --> 00:56:54.140 I'm like, what the, I mean, the, the, the names that they picked made just no sense. 00:56:54.340 --> 00:56:58.160 Like whatsoever. You were just like, oh, okay, sure. 00:56:58.620 --> 00:57:03.140 You know, well, I don't know. So anyway, okay. 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:05.240 All right. Well, pick a topic. 00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:09.400 My turn, pick a topic. So is Hackset going to be out? 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:16.360 You know, when that, When that first signal thing happened, my prediction was 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:20.660 that there would be heads that rolled. 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:25.920 But it wasn't his. No, no. But no, my prediction was, but there'd be a delay. Okay. 00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:31.580 You know, it would not be immediate. There'd be a long enough period of time 00:57:31.580 --> 00:57:37.380 such that you could do it without tying it directly back to the signal incident. 00:57:37.900 --> 00:57:42.000 Okay. But, and also I said, with this particular group of people, 00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.560 they will have done something else by then anyway. Right. 00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:51.200 And Haggith, how do you say his damn name? Haggith. 00:57:51.700 --> 00:57:52.280 Haggith. 00:57:52.660 --> 00:57:56.740 Anyway, he has indeed done other things. 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.700 The most recent thing was another signal conversation where apparently. 00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:04.540 With his brother and his wife on his personal phone. Right. 00:58:04.540 --> 00:58:10.020 Talking about the same sort of classified Yemen stuff, apparently also just 00:58:10.020 --> 00:58:14.080 the actual internal dynamics of what's going on at the Pentagon, 00:58:14.420 --> 00:58:17.760 the place is in entirely in chaos because, 00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:23.740 you know, he does, he has no idea what he's doing and everybody is worried and 00:58:23.740 --> 00:58:27.980 concerned and they're contradictory things going on. 00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:33.820 And so, you know, apparently, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, things aren't going well 00:58:33.820 --> 00:58:35.280 at the Defense Department anyway. 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.700 got this stuff going on and he did something else too 00:58:39.700 --> 00:58:43.620 didn't he didn't he do something else too i don't remember but 00:58:43.620 --> 00:58:46.960 and apparently trump's rapid 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:50.800 response team a few hours ago like 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.900 retweeted something a report from 00:58:53.900 --> 00:58:57.220 somewhere else talking about how haggis 00:58:57.220 --> 00:59:01.180 was on his way out and it's like oops like 00:59:01.180 --> 00:59:04.100 they so far like haven't 00:59:04.100 --> 00:59:07.240 like you know it's not official 00:59:07.240 --> 00:59:11.920 right there was an npr report saying that the administration has started to 00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.620 look for his replacement that's the most solid information we have right now 00:59:15.620 --> 00:59:21.380 yeah but that there is no official statement that says he's out he's still acting 00:59:21.380 --> 00:59:25.760 like he's there he said this is all bullshit there is one thing. 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:26.840 Though there i I will. 00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:27.520 Say this. 00:59:27.640 --> 00:59:33.200 You know, Trump did a very strong defense of him today. Okay. 00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:38.180 You know, in my experience, every time that one of these guys comes out in a 00:59:38.180 --> 00:59:43.080 strong defense of somebody, it really means, oh, this guy is toast. Yeah. 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:48.460 Usually the we're 100% behind him statement comes about five minutes before 00:59:48.460 --> 00:59:50.520 the knife and back. Correct. 00:59:50.740 --> 00:59:56.160 Yes. Yeah. Is this some kind of a record for a, for a, for a. 00:59:56.680 --> 01:00:01.500 If he's gone, say, in the next couple of weeks, is this some kind of record 01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:04.000 for the shortest tenure of a secretary of the feds? 01:00:04.540 --> 01:00:06.500 Ooh, good question. 01:00:10.180 --> 01:00:12.360 Let's see if we can find out anything about that. 01:00:13.560 --> 01:00:16.780 This has got to be some kind of record. Wikipedia. 01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:21.920 Let's see. Like, okay. Okay, let's find out how far. So far, 01:00:22.060 --> 01:00:24.440 he's been 86 days. Uh-huh. 01:00:25.080 --> 01:00:27.140 Should we count? We're not counting acting. 01:00:27.640 --> 01:00:28.960 Not counting acting. 01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:35.280 Because apparently the acting secretary of state immediately before Haggis was Robert G. 01:00:35.540 --> 01:00:38.440 Selesis, who served for five days. Okay. 01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:39.300 Okay. Okay. 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:46.640 But like ignore the acting. So he's at 86 days. Lloyd Austin was one day short of four years. 01:00:47.160 --> 01:00:52.720 Mark Esper was one year, 109. Let's look for anybody under a year. Yeah. 01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:53.880 Oh. 01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.040 Elliot Richardson is 01:00:57.460 --> 01:01:04.040 in administration, 114 days. That's close. We're at 86. 01:01:04.740 --> 01:01:06.740 Why the hell did Elliot and Richard... 01:01:06.740 --> 01:01:11.680 If we fire him right now... Break the record. 01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:21.200 I still haven't gone all the way back. Then we had Clark Clifford at 125 days. That's higher. 01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:22.820 Shit, that's way higher. 01:01:24.020 --> 01:01:27.060 356 days for George C. Marshall. 01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:31.460 And then that's it for Secretary of Defense. 01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:38.960 Now, Secretary of Defense replaced, like, that was only created in 1947. 01:01:39.600 --> 01:01:44.740 So, like, what was the predecessor for it? See? 01:01:45.620 --> 01:01:53.060 Okay, so what happened was the reason why he wound up leaving SecDef is because 01:01:53.060 --> 01:01:56.540 it says, after only three months as Secretary of Defense, Richardson becomes 01:01:56.540 --> 01:02:00.500 Nixon's Attorney General, a move that would put him into Watergate's spotlight. 01:02:00.700 --> 01:02:04.080 So I guess that was like, I guess he had gotten rid of the previous Attorney 01:02:04.080 --> 01:02:09.160 General, so he wound up needing somebody, and he said, okay, you, yeah, you. Yeah. 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.640 Oh, it was the Secretary of War before it was the Secretary of Defense. 01:02:14.640 --> 01:02:18.240 Let's see if any of them are shorter. 01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:26.180 Oh, oh, the last Secretary of War, Kenneth Royal under Harry Truman, 61 days. 01:02:27.160 --> 01:02:29.240 Whoa. So why was that? 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:30.700 The hell? 01:02:30.860 --> 01:02:32.080 What happened with this guy? 01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:33.140 Royal. 01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:35.820 Okay, we got to look this up. 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.980 Secretary of War. 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.500 Kenneth Clair, U.S. Army General, Truman administration. 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.820 Okay. Oh, interesting. What happened here? 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:47.380 I'll tell you why. 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:55.040 Royal was forced into retirement in April 1949 49 for continuing to refuse to desegregate the army. 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:57.320 Okay. Good reason. 01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:59.180 Good damn fucking reason. 01:03:00.060 --> 01:03:06.640 We also had Alfonso Taft under Ulysses S. Grant, who was only 81 days. 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:12.600 Oh, and, um, well, but as secretary of defense. 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:18.600 If he went under the 111 days, he would be the shortcut secretary of defense ever. Yeah. 01:03:18.740 --> 01:03:23.100 We also had, I'm just, I want to keep going back. We had Joseph Holt, 01:03:23.460 --> 01:03:27.480 secretary of war under James Buchanan for only 45 days. 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:35.360 And which I believe was because the James Buchanan administration ended and 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.740 Abraham Lincoln took over. But... 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.980 And is that it? Is that it? Is that it? Is that it? That's it. 01:03:43.160 --> 01:03:47.940 Going back all the way to George Washington. Those are all the ones under a year. There you go. 01:03:48.540 --> 01:03:53.720 So. So we're close to record breaking territory. If it happens soon. 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.920 His days are numbered. I think the only question is when. 01:03:57.620 --> 01:04:01.340 Right. Like, I mean, Donald Trump. I mean, the guy's an idiot. 01:04:02.040 --> 01:04:05.720 The guy's an idiot. He's doing stupid things. 01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:09.240 We knew he was an idiot before. Fucking said it still confirmed. 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:10.980 them, even though they knew he was an idiot. 01:04:11.720 --> 01:04:15.820 And look, we're talking idiot by Donald Trump standards. Exactly. 01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:18.360 We're talking idiot by Donald Trump standards. Yes. 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:24.340 And that's saying a lot. But yeah, I think the question is timing, though. 01:04:24.780 --> 01:04:30.060 Like Donald Trump doesn't like to fire people because he feels like he's being 01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:31.400 pressured to fire somebody. 01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:35.260 So if there's a lot of pressure to fire him, I think Donald Trump will just 01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:37.000 dig in his heels and keep him longer. 01:04:38.080 --> 01:04:42.380 where Donald Trump wants to do it quietly at a time where he can make it look 01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:46.260 like it's his own idea and it has nothing to do with whatever the scandal of the day is. 01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:47.360 Yeah. 01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:52.080 So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:56.740 Should we do it? Should we take a break and do two more or should we wrap it up, Yvonne? 01:04:57.100 --> 01:04:59.940 I think we could do at least one more. Okay. 01:05:00.580 --> 01:05:05.620 Then let's take another break. Let's see, what break am I supposed to do? 01:05:05.740 --> 01:05:08.000 Number six, one, two, three, four, five, six, okay. 01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:10.440 Break number six, here we go. 01:06:00.370 --> 01:06:07.430 we are back. So I guess that makes it my turn. Um, and I will pick the Pope died. 01:06:08.010 --> 01:06:10.870 The Pope died. So JD Vance killed him, right? 01:06:11.290 --> 01:06:13.110 That's what I hear. Yeah. 01:06:13.530 --> 01:06:14.030 You know, the. 01:06:14.030 --> 01:06:18.450 Thing is at first I was like, cause there had been reports that the Pope had 01:06:18.450 --> 01:06:23.230 refused to meet with him and sent an underling instead who basically yelled 01:06:23.230 --> 01:06:26.790 at JD Vance about immigration and being nice to immigrants. 01:06:27.110 --> 01:06:32.170 But apparently that, that did happen, but But apparently the Pope did give him 01:06:32.170 --> 01:06:34.830 a brief audience afterwards. 01:06:35.410 --> 01:06:39.930 And so, yeah, J.D. Vance was one of the last few people with an audience with the Pope. 01:06:40.710 --> 01:06:45.310 Today, J.D. Vance actually posted this. I guess this is on Shitter. 01:06:45.750 --> 01:06:49.390 I cannot believe I even have to post this. The rumors running around that I 01:06:49.390 --> 01:06:51.610 killed the Pope are not true. Wait, wait, wait. 01:06:51.870 --> 01:06:55.290 I thought that was a fake J.D. Vance post. Is that a real J.D. 01:06:55.390 --> 01:06:57.170 Vance post? No, that was a real J.D. 01:06:57.230 --> 01:06:57.670 Vance post. 01:06:57.690 --> 01:06:59.870 Did you actually confirm this? It really is? 01:07:00.910 --> 01:07:05.870 Okay, hold on. I got it from somebody who wasn't an unreliable source. 01:07:07.210 --> 01:07:09.090 But... Because I saw. 01:07:09.090 --> 01:07:11.170 That screenshot and immediately thought it was fake. 01:07:13.430 --> 01:07:17.250 I don't even know. Hold on. Can I even look at this? 01:07:17.770 --> 01:07:20.990 Okay, I'm actually bringing up. I'm on the shitter. 01:07:21.250 --> 01:07:22.230 I'm on his shitter. 01:07:22.670 --> 01:07:26.130 Okay, you're on the real Twitter. Okay, then I won't log into my Twitter for 01:07:26.130 --> 01:07:28.270 the first time in forever. I'll let you do it. 01:07:28.270 --> 01:07:29.790 I'm in there, but not logged in. 01:07:30.210 --> 01:07:33.990 I thought you couldn't see Twitter without logging in. I am seeing posts on. 01:07:34.150 --> 01:07:37.190 I can delete it by account, but I can see. Okay, go ahead. 01:07:37.350 --> 01:07:38.190 Okay, it doesn't. 01:07:38.390 --> 01:07:41.870 Okay, I don't see. Hold on. Okay, it was fake. 01:07:42.990 --> 01:07:47.470 i don't i don't see it but you see i'm not looking at replies right now i can't 01:07:47.470 --> 01:07:49.650 it doesn't let me look it wasn't a reply the one i. 01:07:49.650 --> 01:07:51.990 Saw was it last. 01:07:51.990 --> 01:07:58.050 Edited at 9 45 a.m let's see 9 45 a.m problem is that these are not in chrono 01:07:58.050 --> 01:08:06.050 let's see 18 hours oh yeah i don't see it it may be fake oh well it was oh come on would. 01:08:06.050 --> 01:08:06.450 Have been better. 01:08:06.450 --> 01:08:08.850 If it was real anyway so. 01:08:08.850 --> 01:08:14.070 Anyway like you know to He was old. He'd been in health. 01:08:14.410 --> 01:08:18.250 He'd had health issues for months and months and months. It appears that the final. 01:08:19.450 --> 01:08:23.970 A stroke and a heart attack. A stroke, yeah. Look, I. 01:08:25.050 --> 01:08:30.030 Well, I was raised Catholic, okay? But I haven't really practiced in like. A long time. 01:08:30.630 --> 01:08:30.970 Forever. 01:08:31.490 --> 01:08:34.770 Even though I will say, look, I went to church like three times in the last 01:08:34.770 --> 01:08:36.630 two weeks. For funerals. 01:08:36.870 --> 01:08:37.910 For funerals. 01:08:38.450 --> 01:08:41.390 I mean one of them honestly like he said 01:08:41.390 --> 01:08:48.850 I think I mentioned this earlier I mean look a lot of us may not practice Catholicism 01:08:48.850 --> 01:08:53.590 anymore but even like in that case it was just like well it's the only thing 01:08:53.590 --> 01:08:58.590 we knew how to do what the fuck else did we do you know after he died so you 01:08:58.590 --> 01:09:00.870 know we did a mass you know, 01:09:01.910 --> 01:09:08.310 I got nothing we got nothing else I mean we were all there We hadn't been in 01:09:08.310 --> 01:09:10.350 church like forever None of us, 01:09:12.180 --> 01:09:17.600 The one thing is that even though I might have Pope Francis is one of the popes 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.280 that I agreed with on more things than any in my life. 01:09:21.620 --> 01:09:26.000 There were a couple of things where I, him and I that I did not agree, 01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:32.400 but I will say that on 90 plus percent of the shit that he was trying to do, he was right. 01:09:33.200 --> 01:09:36.900 Compared to other Catholic popes, he was quite liberal. 01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:41.900 Well, I mean, compared to some recent popes, You got to remember Vatican second 01:09:41.900 --> 01:09:46.700 council going back that made a whole bunch of the changes to the current church, 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:53.220 including like not giving mass in Latin for God's sakes, because nobody knows fucking Latin. Okay. 01:09:54.400 --> 01:10:00.760 And shit like that happened. You know, we need to bring back Latin. You know, sure. 01:10:01.300 --> 01:10:04.640 You know, I'll go take some classes. We can start doing the show in Latin. 01:10:05.400 --> 01:10:10.140 Yeah, I'm sure that'll everybody will love that. but you know those changes 01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:14.180 like that where there are a whole bunch of changes that that that happened and 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:15.540 so that was a very revolutionary, 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:20.980 event period yes and then period and then then we had a number of more conservative 01:10:20.980 --> 01:10:26.280 popes along the way including benedict who it was so bad that he wound up basically 01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:31.340 resigning you know because it got so bad well and pro france for health reasons, 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.480 he's still fucking alive. 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:36.840 Well is he i thought he finally yes. 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:43.000 He's still alive he's still alive yeah okay let's. 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:47.320 See i'm just double checking you oh no he died. 01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:53.640 Okay sorry he died two years ago okay no at 95 yes okay okay so he did die a 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:59.240 couple of years ago but he was alive a hell of a long fucking time after he quit yes he was. 01:10:59.240 --> 01:11:00.560 I mean so. 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.180 You know almost 10 years but but i thought. 01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:06.880 The reason he resigned was because he felt like he was no longer up to the job. 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.760 There was a lot of pressure. I mean, his health wasn't great, 01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:13.140 but there was a lot of pressure around him to fucking resign, 01:11:13.260 --> 01:11:18.180 especially because of a lot of the scandals related to child abuse and a whole 01:11:18.180 --> 01:11:23.720 bunch of things that he had done around that and related to that. Yeah, he was just, yeah. 01:11:25.590 --> 01:11:34.510 ton of pressure. So, but Pope Francis was a guy who was, he was a man of compassion to everybody. 01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:40.850 And even those he didn't agree with on, on things. Okay. Unlike others. 01:11:41.310 --> 01:11:44.450 And so, you know, I, I, 01:11:44.570 --> 01:11:47.350 I, you know, I saw him do many acts with people that 01:11:47.350 --> 01:11:50.890 were so kind over 01:11:50.890 --> 01:11:53.810 time and say so many things that were kind and and help 01:11:53.810 --> 01:11:56.610 a lot of people because the catholic church because of a 01:11:56.610 --> 01:11:59.530 lot of things that it did over time man it created 01:11:59.530 --> 01:12:02.290 a lot of shame and hurt and things in 01:12:02.290 --> 01:12:05.630 a lot of people over decades which is 01:12:05.630 --> 01:12:13.910 why i don't practice it regularly but you know he he did make a lot of changes 01:12:13.910 --> 01:12:19.930 in that in the church he was even you know i know he got pushback on that but 01:12:19.930 --> 01:12:22.870 even including like, he wanted to, like, 01:12:23.070 --> 01:12:25.830 be able to, like, bless gay unions, for example. Right. 01:12:26.490 --> 01:12:27.010 You know, and. 01:12:27.010 --> 01:12:30.570 When you hear that and you've been a Catholic and you're gay and, 01:12:30.770 --> 01:12:34.150 you know, you're, if you're in that and you hear that, 01:12:34.930 --> 01:12:38.730 man, the message that you're sending to people who feel that they can't leave 01:12:38.730 --> 01:12:43.350 their religion, but then all of a sudden this guy is saying, 01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:47.750 hey, you're not, you know, you're not this person that so many others in the 01:12:47.750 --> 01:12:49.910 religion, like, would despise. 01:12:50.710 --> 01:12:57.170 That's such a that brings so much to to people, you know, 01:12:57.530 --> 01:13:04.430 it just it's it's it's it really helps people that have been indoctrinated in 01:13:04.430 --> 01:13:06.590 this told so many bad things about themselves. 01:13:06.770 --> 01:13:10.630 And then all of a sudden a man in the leadership goes and says, no, you're not less. 01:13:10.790 --> 01:13:15.570 No, you're not whatever you really, you know, we value you. 01:13:15.570 --> 01:13:22.070 I saw today a video where there was a child that in Italy that was in an event 01:13:22.070 --> 01:13:25.850 that the Pope was, and the child's father had recently passed away. 01:13:26.210 --> 01:13:28.970 And the child's father had been an atheist. Okay. 01:13:29.410 --> 01:13:35.670 And he had been, he's a very small kid. He must've been like six, seven or eight. 01:13:36.270 --> 01:13:40.330 And his father had actually, even though he was an atheist, he had baptized. 01:13:40.630 --> 01:13:42.350 He had four kids and he had baptized them all. 01:13:43.190 --> 01:13:46.650 And the kid was at this event with the Pope and the kid was, 01:13:46.650 --> 01:13:51.310 was sad, you know, his father recently died and he had a question and he asked 01:13:51.310 --> 01:13:55.090 somebody because he didn't want to say it in public. And then the Pope said, no, no, no, look. 01:13:55.490 --> 01:13:58.910 And he has my son's name. Well, well, not exactly. Emmanuel, no, not one. 01:13:59.390 --> 01:14:02.450 Come talk to me. Come talk to me. So he talked to him in secret and he, 01:14:02.510 --> 01:14:04.210 and he, you know, talk to him. 01:14:04.310 --> 01:14:07.530 He, he, he comforted him and he sent him back and he asked him if, 01:14:07.570 --> 01:14:10.230 Hey, I could tell everybody what you said. And he said, you know, 01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:15.500 me with a question. My dad was an atheist. Is he going to be in heaven? 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:21.460 You know, and, and he gave him a very comforting answer, you know, 01:14:21.580 --> 01:14:26.820 to him that, yes, that, you know, like, you know, you said he was a good man, a good man. 01:14:26.940 --> 01:14:30.820 God is not going to push away a good man, you know, but, 01:14:31.440 --> 01:14:34.960 saying those kinds of things to these kids that have been taught this, 01:14:35.060 --> 01:14:37.940 when you're hearing it from the pope the the the 01:14:37.940 --> 01:14:40.920 comfort level that descends on these people that 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.080 that really truly believe that this is the ultimate word it's 01:14:44.080 --> 01:14:46.880 it's it's it's big and that's the 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:52.180 thing that he did more than everybody else he really took the time to say things 01:14:52.180 --> 01:14:56.740 to comfort people instead of shaming people and instead of like making people 01:14:56.740 --> 01:15:01.600 feel bad about themselves and so yeah it's sad that he's he passed away because 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:05.300 he really did that a lot i saw that there's another video i didn't realize I said a few years ago, 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.720 he invited a whole bunch of very famous comedians around the world, 01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:12.200 including Jimmy Fallon and some others and whatever, basically to thank them 01:15:12.200 --> 01:15:14.960 for something important. He said that you guys all make people laugh. 01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:19.000 And it's so important for the joy of the world to have people like you that 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.140 come and like make them laugh. 01:15:20.280 --> 01:15:24.420 And I wanted to show my appreciation to, to all of you in making it and making 01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:25.700 the world a happier place. 01:15:26.260 --> 01:15:28.200 That was really cool. I got to admit. 01:15:29.220 --> 01:15:31.220 So yeah. So a couple. 01:15:31.320 --> 01:15:36.100 A couple of things there. One, I I'd made a joke. both on the curmudgeon's corner 01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:42.000 slack well did i do it on the slack i did it on mastodon and blue sky but well 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.180 now i know what the popular wiki of the day is going to be because it's always 01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:48.280 like a big person right right right but. 01:15:48.280 --> 01:15:49.020 I was wrong. 01:15:49.020 --> 01:15:53.000 Just a few seconds ago while you were talking the new popular wiki of the day 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.900 came out well it was it was pope benedict the well it was the pope it's just 01:15:57.900 --> 01:16:03.040 the wrong pope well and here's why because for wiki of the day i have a rule 01:16:03.040 --> 01:16:08.360 that You can't be the popular wiki of the day twice in a hundred day span. 01:16:09.220 --> 01:16:14.020 And Pope Francis, he was the popular wiki of the day back in February when he 01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:15.580 was hospitalized. He was hospitalized. 01:16:15.980 --> 01:16:16.720 It's too soon. 01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:21.280 So he didn't qualify. And so it dropped down. 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:28.340 The number of views yesterday, yesterday for UTC, the number one page views 01:16:28.340 --> 01:16:33.140 on Wikipedia was Pope Francis with 2.9 million page views. 01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:38.220 number two was Wrestlemania 41 with, 01:16:40.590 --> 01:16:45.390 with 980,000 views. But that also had been a previous popular wiki of the day, 01:16:45.530 --> 01:16:48.190 like yesterday or something, or the day before, I forget. 01:16:48.430 --> 01:16:51.290 And so number three was Pope Benedict the 16th. 01:16:51.470 --> 01:16:56.030 Oh, fucking WrestleMania, for God's sakes. I was just listening to people talk about this. 01:16:56.190 --> 01:17:03.530 I don't, you know, I will say that when I was little, I think like my brothers 01:17:03.530 --> 01:17:06.790 watched this kind of like wrestling stuff on TV. 01:17:06.790 --> 01:17:09.550 and i i i think i 01:17:09.550 --> 01:17:12.450 watched it for a little bit but then i don't know 01:17:12.450 --> 01:17:15.310 sometime in my early teens 01:17:15.310 --> 01:17:18.530 i was like what is this bullshit this is this this 01:17:18.530 --> 01:17:24.430 is horseshit what the fuck is this this this is ridiculous but i i was just 01:17:24.430 --> 01:17:28.530 seeing a whole bunch of adults today talking about oh my god wrestle mania gotta 01:17:28.530 --> 01:17:33.890 be there gotta go i'm like thinking the fuck is wrong with all of you it's just 01:17:33.890 --> 01:17:35.930 this This thing is just complete bullshit. 01:17:36.150 --> 01:17:37.870 It's stupid. It's ridiculous. 01:17:39.230 --> 01:17:39.890 I mean, it's just. 01:17:40.130 --> 01:17:43.790 I, the people really love this shit. Yeah, I know. 01:17:43.950 --> 01:17:47.070 So back to Pope stuff for a second. The one other thing to talk about on the 01:17:47.070 --> 01:17:52.990 Pope is the, I've only lived through a couple of these, but the selection of 01:17:52.990 --> 01:17:54.510 the new Pope is fascinating. 01:17:54.810 --> 01:17:58.350 Oh yeah. There's sort of ancient procedures. 01:17:58.930 --> 01:18:04.570 I recently watched that their movie conclave. Oh, of recently, okay? 01:18:05.110 --> 01:18:07.570 I gotta tell you, thumbs up. 01:18:07.870 --> 01:18:11.550 You know, your last segment should be Conclave. 01:18:12.310 --> 01:18:17.710 Thumbs up on Conclave, by the way, okay? It was really, that movie was really 01:18:17.710 --> 01:18:19.650 good. The movie was really good. 01:18:20.370 --> 01:18:22.190 I wasn't, I don't know what to 01:18:22.190 --> 01:18:25.430 expect. I can't remember why I wound up watching it. I think my mom won. 01:18:25.530 --> 01:18:29.910 Oh, because my mom was like, hey, I want to watch this movie a few months back. 01:18:30.190 --> 01:18:32.870 And I was at home with her, and I'm like, Okay, let's watch it. What the hell? 01:18:33.190 --> 01:18:35.950 And I sat there watching it. I'm like, shit, this thing's good. 01:18:38.170 --> 01:18:42.710 So, yeah, Conclave is quite good. I mean, I've watched a couple of these over 01:18:42.710 --> 01:18:44.670 the years. Very indiscriminately. 01:18:45.230 --> 01:18:47.830 Process i mean i. 01:18:47.830 --> 01:18:49.350 I mean most. 01:18:49.350 --> 01:18:52.650 Of it's a secret of course but you get the like they're all, 01:18:53.290 --> 01:18:56.150 you know when i was doors and you wait for 01:18:56.150 --> 01:18:58.950 the white smoke and all this and there's a lot of 01:18:58.950 --> 01:19:01.790 you know there's a lot of speculation in terms of 01:19:01.790 --> 01:19:04.910 like okay did francis appoint 01:19:04.910 --> 01:19:07.990 enough cardinals so that whoever is 01:19:07.990 --> 01:19:11.050 the next pope will like be a 01:19:11.050 --> 01:19:17.570 pope kind of like francis or not quite like we had from pope john paul ii to 01:19:17.570 --> 01:19:22.790 pope benedict we sort of went backwards a bit you know so what's going to happen 01:19:22.790 --> 01:19:27.010 this time we don't know like apparently apparently francis did appoint quite 01:19:27.010 --> 01:19:30.190 a few cardinals but is it well well one. 01:19:30.190 --> 01:19:32.310 Thing i i and did he put them with. 01:19:32.310 --> 01:19:34.850 That in mind i don't know The processes. 01:19:34.850 --> 01:19:41.370 Of the inner workings of the Catholic church are to be still something that 01:19:41.370 --> 01:19:46.230 is just, it's still out of another century. 01:19:47.110 --> 01:19:47.370 Yeah. 01:19:47.890 --> 01:19:51.670 I mean, not even this, I mean, not even like. Not even a recent century. 01:19:51.850 --> 01:19:53.370 Not even a recent century. 01:19:54.250 --> 01:20:01.470 You know, I remember actually having spoken to a couple of people in the Catholic 01:20:01.470 --> 01:20:06.330 Church that had worked at the Vatican for a while. 01:20:06.950 --> 01:20:10.910 And it's just always their stories about that. We're always kind of, 01:20:11.030 --> 01:20:17.730 we're always fascinating about how things happened at the Vatican. 01:20:17.730 --> 01:20:20.710 You know, it happened, I remember that it happened to be that the guy who was 01:20:20.710 --> 01:20:24.210 the principal of our high school wound up being somebody that, 01:20:24.390 --> 01:20:32.570 he wound up being a representative of the Vatican for his religious order for a couple of years. 01:20:33.070 --> 01:20:36.810 Somebody else I met, I think it was a priest, was at the Vatican, 01:20:37.050 --> 01:20:39.410 yeah, and that it came back. 01:20:39.550 --> 01:20:46.270 And so it's, it isn't just that it's, the process of, 01:20:47.010 --> 01:20:50.010 you know the catholic church is 01:20:50.010 --> 01:20:53.430 a massive organization that really 01:20:53.430 --> 01:21:00.650 owns a ton of shit across the world it's it's crazy it's a business it's a there's 01:21:00.650 --> 01:21:07.930 a bank there's it's it's it's it's just it's nuts how complex it is it is really 01:21:07.930 --> 01:21:11.510 nuts okay well i mean if you look at. 01:21:11.630 --> 01:21:14.310 There are many ways to look at this. This is only one of them. 01:21:14.430 --> 01:21:22.250 But in some senses, the current Catholic Church is actually the successor to the Roman Empire. 01:21:22.850 --> 01:21:27.250 Basically. It's what's left of the Western Roman Empire. 01:21:28.630 --> 01:21:32.730 Now, there are a whole bunch of different ways you can interpret the history 01:21:32.730 --> 01:21:36.650 of the fall of Rome and both Eastern and Western, but that's one way you could do it. 01:21:37.390 --> 01:21:41.310 And yeah. so so yeah it's. 01:21:41.310 --> 01:21:44.470 Always so so i don't know it'll be interesting to see and 01:21:44.470 --> 01:21:47.790 i and i i really i hope that because there 01:21:47.790 --> 01:21:52.230 are one of the things i was reading today and where jd vance sits because he's 01:21:52.230 --> 01:21:57.030 a fucking catholic some i mean now he converted what six years ago but but there 01:21:57.030 --> 01:22:03.630 is there is a group especially in the u.s that has very aligned themselves with 01:22:03.630 --> 01:22:07.370 the more hardened conservative types. 01:22:07.770 --> 01:22:12.170 The conservative Catholics, for sure. But I really believe that on a global 01:22:12.170 --> 01:22:19.210 basis, that group is definitely in the minority based on what I've observed of who, 01:22:19.410 --> 01:22:22.950 you know, you mentioned how many cardinals Pope Francis appointed. 01:22:23.730 --> 01:22:29.790 I mean, from what I've observed, he has moved the church definitely towards 01:22:29.790 --> 01:22:32.710 a more liberal side substantially. That's for sure. 01:22:32.870 --> 01:22:38.570 Even though in may have entrenched some groups like that so well and what's interesting too. 01:22:38.570 --> 01:22:41.770 Is you know once upon 01:22:41.770 --> 01:22:44.530 a time like long ago at this 01:22:44.530 --> 01:22:48.090 point like the catholic church was predominantly european 01:22:48.090 --> 01:22:51.330 now europe is a small 01:22:51.330 --> 01:22:58.830 portion of the global catholic universe sure and the whole sort of where they 01:22:58.830 --> 01:23:03.290 are theologically in terms of more liberal or more conservative or whatever 01:23:03.290 --> 01:23:08.650 varies a lot country to country as you go across the world. 01:23:09.690 --> 01:23:12.770 And where exactly that balance is, is unclear. 01:23:13.110 --> 01:23:20.870 And also, you know, one of the things with Francis was he was the first non-European 01:23:20.870 --> 01:23:22.270 in like centuries, right? 01:23:23.370 --> 01:23:26.070 As Pope, because he was from Argentina, 01:23:26.750 --> 01:23:35.210 remember, right? Yeah. Yeah, he was. But the question is, is there going to 01:23:35.210 --> 01:23:36.430 be another non-European? 01:23:36.610 --> 01:23:42.810 I mean, remember, for a while, it was not only European, it was only Italians. Yeah. Yeah. 01:23:43.170 --> 01:23:44.450 It was only Italians. 01:23:44.650 --> 01:23:50.150 And then we got Pope John Paul II from Poland. And then we have Francis from Argentina. 01:23:50.670 --> 01:23:52.710 Well, even Benedict was German, right? 01:23:53.250 --> 01:23:59.930 Yeah, Benedict was German. So we had a series of, you know, non... I mean, I have to. 01:23:59.930 --> 01:24:02.970 Believe that it's going to be a non-European again. Because, 01:24:03.170 --> 01:24:06.890 I mean, this was... I mean, Pope Francis was the first non-European. 01:24:06.990 --> 01:24:09.590 He was very popular and he was in there for 13 years. 01:24:10.350 --> 01:24:16.490 So I have to believe that it will be another non-European. 01:24:16.570 --> 01:24:20.390 I think because the church in Europe has been on a... Catholic Church has been 01:24:20.390 --> 01:24:22.010 on a massive decline in Europe. 01:24:22.010 --> 01:24:25.690 So it's just, you know, like you mentioned, I mean, it's such a, 01:24:25.810 --> 01:24:30.810 so much more global, I mean, that in terms of, well, it's not, 01:24:30.950 --> 01:24:34.390 I don't know if it's that it's expanded as much in the rest of the world as 01:24:34.390 --> 01:24:36.190 it has decreased that much in Europe. 01:24:36.910 --> 01:24:38.670 That's basically what it is. Right. 01:24:40.110 --> 01:24:43.050 So let me ask you a couple of trivia questions here. 01:24:43.650 --> 01:24:50.410 Okay. Trivia. So on the official list of popes, which just to be clear, 01:24:50.610 --> 01:24:53.390 starts with a few saints in ancient history, 01:24:53.710 --> 01:24:59.750 what number was Francis without looking it up? What number pope? 01:25:00.290 --> 01:25:05.950 Yes. All right. Let me take a stab here. And just to be clear. 01:25:06.170 --> 01:25:09.710 This list starts with St. Peter. 01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:14.850 Yeah. Pope number one in the year 30 AD. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 01:25:15.550 --> 01:25:16.990 See how close you can get. 01:25:17.770 --> 01:25:18.630 You know, I see. 01:25:20.610 --> 01:25:25.790 I'm going to say around 200. 266. 01:25:26.210 --> 01:25:28.050 Oh, not bad. I wasn't that far off. 01:25:28.190 --> 01:25:28.370 Okay. 01:25:29.730 --> 01:25:33.430 The 200th Pope, let me just look that up real quick. 01:25:34.930 --> 01:25:43.850 200th Pope was Urban V in the 1300s. Wow. 01:25:44.790 --> 01:25:51.890 1362 to 1370 was when he was Pope and he was French. I was guessing around 60. 01:25:51.890 --> 01:25:56.530 Popes every hundred years. So it wasn't that far off. Okay. 60, you mean. 01:25:56.530 --> 01:25:59.870 60 every thousand. I mean, every thousand. Yeah. 01:25:59.990 --> 01:26:05.330 Right. Exactly. Somewhere around there. But, but I, I, but I guess that it, 01:26:05.490 --> 01:26:10.090 uh, at the beginning, there probably had to be more because lifespans were shorter. 01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:15.610 Probably and and there was lots of violence there were a lot of yeah there were 01:26:15.610 --> 01:26:24.850 a lot of popes I think who got murdered I could be wrong about that you know just yeah anyway, 01:26:25.970 --> 01:26:30.470 Okay, was Conclave your topic, or do you have one last thing you want to talk 01:26:30.470 --> 01:26:32.950 about? No, I think we need to wrap up. 01:26:33.030 --> 01:26:36.850 Sam. It's one more subject. I think we need to wrap up. We are done. 01:26:37.070 --> 01:26:39.950 Thank you, everybody, for joining us. You know the deal. 01:26:40.850 --> 01:26:45.710 curmudgeons-corner.com for our archives and all the ways to contact us, 01:26:45.870 --> 01:26:50.770 transcripts, everything you could possibly want, including a link to our Patreon. 01:26:50.770 --> 01:26:53.690 on if you want to give us money at various levels 01:26:53.690 --> 01:26:56.930 we will do various things that are exciting and 01:26:56.930 --> 01:27:00.450 new just like the love boat and at 01:27:00.450 --> 01:27:03.810 two dollars a month or more or if you just ask us we will invite you to a curmudgeon's 01:27:03.810 --> 01:27:08.470 corner slack where yvonne and i and a bunch of listeners are chatting and having 01:27:08.470 --> 01:27:14.190 fun throughout the week sharing links to news talking about things whatever 01:27:14.190 --> 01:27:18.550 so yvonne how about one highlight from the slack well before i get to that i 01:27:18.550 --> 01:27:20.370 went i checked something for example in the. 01:27:20.370 --> 01:27:21.430 Third century there were. 01:27:21.430 --> 01:27:22.370 30 popes. 01:27:22.370 --> 01:27:24.290 Okay okay in the 20th. 01:27:24.290 --> 01:27:24.750 Century there. 01:27:24.750 --> 01:27:28.910 Were 10 so yes at the beginning they were we were going through a lot. 01:27:28.910 --> 01:27:29.610 More popes, 01:27:32.550 --> 01:27:37.530 you know yeah um okay yes so yeah uh let's. 01:27:37.530 --> 01:27:42.250 See all right we have what do we got here what do we got here we've got a lot 01:27:42.250 --> 01:27:48.010 of stuff hey sam did we just find aliens no we. 01:27:48.010 --> 01:27:55.690 Did not so there There was a story that was making all the popular rounds of 01:27:55.690 --> 01:28:01.630 the best evidence yet for life on another planet. 01:28:01.630 --> 01:28:07.850 It basically claimed to detect chemicals in the atmosphere of a planet about 01:28:07.850 --> 01:28:15.870 120 light years away, if I remember correctly, that on Earth is only known to come from life, 01:28:16.210 --> 01:28:19.030 particularly certain kinds of sea life actually created it. 01:28:19.930 --> 01:28:27.110 and if you look at the popular news stories, they're all very breathless about this, et cetera. 01:28:27.350 --> 01:28:32.050 I waited a couple days. I did share it with the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack as 01:28:32.050 --> 01:28:36.390 soon as I saw it, but I waited a couple days for sort of science creators I 01:28:36.390 --> 01:28:38.130 trust to give their take on it, 01:28:38.790 --> 01:28:42.370 and there are basically lots and lots and lots of ifs. 01:28:42.470 --> 01:28:45.070 I mean, even the first story said this requires confirmation, 01:28:46.370 --> 01:28:49.770 But first of all, even with all the assumptions, 01:28:50.140 --> 01:28:55.340 Even with all the assumptions they make, there's only like, there's a 99% chance 01:28:55.340 --> 01:28:59.420 it really is this chemical, but they make a lot of assumptions. 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.760 They make assumptions about what kind of planet this is that it does not really 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:08.300 full agreement that it's actually that kind of planet in terms of like the general 01:29:08.300 --> 01:29:13.840 composition of the planet, you know, water versus hydrogen atmosphere versus whatever. 01:29:14.100 --> 01:29:16.200 But the thing is, I guess that it's probably not. 01:29:16.300 --> 01:29:17.560 We can't rule it out though yet. 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:21.760 We can't necessarily rule it out, but like the, 01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:31.520 for this to actually be life, you have, there, there's several layers of unlikely 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.220 things that still have to happen. 01:29:33.700 --> 01:29:37.560 Like, right. And so part of it is like, they're, first of all, 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:38.820 there's these whole bunch of assumptions. 01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:44.600 Even if those assumptions are true, then there's a chance that it's not really 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:49.100 this chemical, you know, it could be something else. they could have misidentified the chemical. 01:29:49.740 --> 01:29:55.560 And even if, you know, and even to have the, they had to make a whole bunch 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.940 of assumptions to even think it was the chemical in the first place. 01:29:58.040 --> 01:30:00.860 So if any of those assumptions are wrong, then it's definitely not the chemical. 01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:07.000 But even if those assumptions are right, there's a chance they're wrong about it being the chemical. 01:30:07.180 --> 01:30:13.380 But, and then even if it is the chemical, just because we don't have evidence 01:30:13.380 --> 01:30:19.920 of that chemical being uncreated on Earth without life doesn't mean it can't happen somewhere else. 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:20.400 Doesn't mean it can't happen. 01:30:20.540 --> 01:30:24.040 And in fact, we have found this chemical on comets. 01:30:24.220 --> 01:30:30.380 We have found this chemical on interstellar clouds. So we know it can be created without life. 01:30:30.820 --> 01:30:32.460 Well, or maybe it landed. 01:30:32.460 --> 01:30:35.860 There because of life and then the life wasn't there. Because the comets are 01:30:35.860 --> 01:30:38.440 maybe thousands and thousands of years old. 01:30:38.740 --> 01:30:48.020 So anyway, this is a tantalizing, piece of new evidence, but it's nowhere close 01:30:48.020 --> 01:30:51.140 to being actually, okay, yeah, this is life. Okay. 01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:56.720 Another sad news that I need to communicate that was on our Mudge's Corner Slack. 01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:01.620 I know everybody will be disappointed by this, but Fyre Festival 2 has been 01:31:01.620 --> 01:31:03.440 postponed. Sorry, guys. 01:31:06.200 --> 01:31:09.160 you know. I was going. I was going to go. 01:31:09.820 --> 01:31:11.320 Yeah. It was. 01:31:11.700 --> 01:31:12.920 Oh, well. Yeah. 01:31:14.940 --> 01:31:19.780 It's canceled. It's, well, it says it's postponed. Postponed. Right. 01:31:20.020 --> 01:31:24.360 Postponed. Yeah. Postponed until we actually do find the aliens. 01:31:24.900 --> 01:31:27.580 Right. So we can invite them. Yes. 01:31:27.900 --> 01:31:33.020 I'm sure the aliens will be so thrilled with the Fyre Festival. J.D. Vance can go. 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:34.840 Yeah. J.D. 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.600 Vance can be the host. also shared on their. 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:43.420 Curmudgeons corner slack was somebody's meme about the Dalai Lama now changed 01:31:43.420 --> 01:31:46.260 his plans to not meet with JD. Not meet with JD. 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:52.800 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is the prudent move. Yes. Okay. 01:31:53.100 --> 01:31:57.200 We are done. We are out. If I were to Dalai Lama and I had agreed to a meeting with. 01:31:57.200 --> 01:32:02.120 With JD Vance, I don't, that I would be, Hey, how about we cancel this fucking thing? Okay. 01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:06.940 There you go. I would be. 01:32:07.220 --> 01:32:09.260 Yeah. Okay. We're done. 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:16.300 Thank you, everybody, for listening. We'll be back next week at our normal time of week, I imagine. 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:20.560 So thank you, everybody, for joining us. Have a great week. Stay safe. 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:22.140 Have fun. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.360 We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Bye. 01:32:57.820 --> 01:33:01.320 Okay, Yvonne, good night. All right, well, let's. 01:33:01.320 --> 01:33:03.420 Get this thing uploaded.