WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:04.990 Okay, the live stream is going. Let me make sure it gets published properly. 00:00:05.830 --> 00:00:10.210 Do the live stream check. Okay, successfully posted. 00:00:10.730 --> 00:00:14.650 We will wait for it to come over on our screen, screen, thing, 00:00:14.850 --> 00:00:18.230 thing, and then retweet it. 00:00:18.830 --> 00:00:23.610 You know, I'm thinking at some point I should check to see if all the automation 00:00:23.610 --> 00:00:29.710 is in place that I can auto post to Blue Sky at this point too, because, 00:00:30.070 --> 00:00:37.190 you know, I like my Mastodon, but it seems like all the activity from, 00:00:37.190 --> 00:00:43.650 you know, folks I, like, follow and care about is moving over to Blue Sky. 00:00:44.310 --> 00:00:49.250 So, like, should I set up a curmudgeon's corner Blue Sky and automate the posting 00:00:49.250 --> 00:00:52.450 to it and all that kind of stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah, 00:00:52.470 --> 00:00:54.050 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:00:54.370 --> 00:01:02.370 There probably is. But, you know, I managed it, but anyway, we'll worry about 00:01:02.370 --> 00:01:04.170 that later. Anyway, the live stream is going. 00:01:04.330 --> 00:01:07.090 I have retweeted it on Mastodon. 00:01:08.230 --> 00:01:13.390 Of course, no one's actually watching. That makes me so sad. 00:01:13.790 --> 00:01:17.170 Anyway, let's get this started. Here we go. Intro time. 00:01:50.010 --> 00:01:55.510 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, April 12th, 2025. 00:01:56.230 --> 00:02:02.290 It's just after 22 UTC as I'm starting to record. I am Sam Minter. 00:02:02.770 --> 00:02:06.110 Ivan Bo is not with me this week. 00:02:06.250 --> 00:02:14.070 He had a death in the family, unfortunately, and so is dealing with stuff associated with that. 00:02:14.070 --> 00:02:20.430 Not, and yeah, I, from what I understand, it was someone who was quite elderly. 00:02:20.430 --> 00:02:26.250 So it's not completely, you know, an unexpected event, but at the same time, 00:02:26.590 --> 00:02:30.470 that's, you know, never fun or good, no matter the age of the person. 00:02:31.050 --> 00:02:36.110 So he is not here. I, and I didn't, you know, 00:02:36.230 --> 00:02:39.630 all of you know how I usually, I have 00:02:39.630 --> 00:02:42.350 a list of people who sometimes co-host and I 00:02:42.350 --> 00:02:45.370 send out an email and sometimes we get somebody 00:02:45.370 --> 00:02:48.410 sometimes we don't i and and sometimes 00:02:48.410 --> 00:02:51.570 i talk with chat gpt apparently 00:02:51.570 --> 00:02:56.550 as i did a couple weeks ago i didn't even send out an email this week honestly 00:02:56.550 --> 00:03:04.710 i have been extremely busy at work really for a while but uh this week also 00:03:04.710 --> 00:03:11.210 and you know i just every time i got home and thought about sending the email, 00:03:11.530 --> 00:03:14.190 I was like, I don't know. 00:03:14.310 --> 00:03:17.450 I, I'm, I'm, I'm burned out. 00:03:17.650 --> 00:03:21.730 I'm exhausted. I'm ready to like, just sit and chill with Alex watching TV. 00:03:23.450 --> 00:03:29.210 Sometimes I had more work to do at home. It was, you know, all of this kind of stuff. 00:03:29.390 --> 00:03:34.210 And so I didn't do it. I didn't send out the email. 00:03:34.470 --> 00:03:38.130 I was also thinking like, you know, I, I don't know, like even, 00:03:38.370 --> 00:03:42.490 even at the times I normally record, you know, I want to retain some flexibility. 00:03:42.510 --> 00:03:47.650 So I was just like, you know, I'll, I'll do a solo show. Haven't done one of those since October. 00:03:47.990 --> 00:03:53.130 Might as well do one. And next time Yvonne can't make it, I will once again, 00:03:53.670 --> 00:03:57.830 send out one of those emails to everybody and see who's available and blah, blah, blah. 00:03:57.830 --> 00:04:04.350 I will say, though, agenda-wise, this first one, I'll do the movie review that 00:04:04.350 --> 00:04:08.350 I didn't do last week because we ended up just talking about tariff stuff the 00:04:08.350 --> 00:04:09.470 entire show, basically. 00:04:10.010 --> 00:04:13.610 And then we will have a couple of other segments. The first segment, though... 00:04:14.480 --> 00:04:20.400 Ivan may not be here, quote unquote, live, but as he has done at least once 00:04:20.400 --> 00:04:25.560 before, maybe twice, he sent me a recording of his thoughts on stuff. 00:04:26.420 --> 00:04:28.340 And so that'll be the second segment. 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.960 I will play what he sent me and then maybe react to it a little bit. 00:04:32.960 --> 00:04:41.780 That segment is on the continued tariff developments and economy and stock market 00:04:41.780 --> 00:04:43.200 and all of that kind of stuff, 00:04:43.380 --> 00:04:48.040 which I'm sure if Yvonne was here, we'd be talking about that kind of thing anyway. 00:04:49.740 --> 00:04:52.720 And then the third segment, I don't know. 00:04:53.140 --> 00:04:58.380 I'll figure it out later. There are a couple things I have as potentially in 00:04:58.380 --> 00:05:03.100 mind to talk about, but I'll worry about that then. And as usual, 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.600 when I do solo shows, I'm not going to go straight through from beginning to end. 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.440 I'm going to record one segment and then I'm going to do other stuff for a while. 00:05:10.580 --> 00:05:16.160 I do have more stuff for my day job to do over the weekend. So I'm going to do some of that. 00:05:16.540 --> 00:05:22.480 It is April 12th and I haven't even started our taxes yet. And they are due 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.040 on the 15th, which is very soon. 00:05:26.700 --> 00:05:29.960 So I'm probably going to try to do some of that over the weekend too. 00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:35.080 Although, you know, you know, I could wing it and just do it on the 15th anyway. 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.600 So that, that, yeah, I, you guys don't care about logistics, 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:48.660 but anyway, uh, and I don't know, like, yeah, I I'm hoping the stuff that's kept me swamped at work. 00:05:48.840 --> 00:05:54.180 The, the last of three major deliverables that I had is actually due this Monday. 00:05:54.420 --> 00:05:58.960 I'm finishing it up over the weekend. It's pretty close. I just hopefully have 00:05:58.960 --> 00:06:03.920 to tie up some final, like, you know, make, make some revisions based on some 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.280 feedback I've gotten and be done. 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:13.240 So I will be very glad to be done with that and then figure out what I'm doing next at work. 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:20.260 But anyway, movie, I'll just jump straight to that. 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:27.240 And I thought about doing two movies this time, but then I don't really want to. 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:35.040 So, you know, there are enough movies in the backlog that I really should be 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.580 doing two movies every week to catch up. I'm not. 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:46.640 So, and I only every few months, like, write down all the movies that Alex and I have watched. 00:06:46.860 --> 00:06:51.580 And so I haven't done that since January. 00:06:52.320 --> 00:06:56.020 It's now April, which means once again, when I sit down to do it, 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.940 it's going to take me hours to do it because it's not just here's the ones I 00:06:58.940 --> 00:07:03.420 watch, but also here's the ones that I've I what I do. 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:07.000 I've mentioned this on a show before, but I'm going to mention it again because why not? 00:07:08.370 --> 00:07:14.330 When I finish a movie watching with Alex, I sort of take a screenshot showing 00:07:14.330 --> 00:07:20.370 that, you know, we were watching the credits to indicate, okay, finish that movie. 00:07:20.810 --> 00:07:24.930 And of course, we watch every second of the credits. And if you don't, you're a monster. 00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:31.090 You know, you need to pay proper appreciation to all the people who made that movie. 00:07:31.150 --> 00:07:36.070 And also, if you haven't watched every second of the movie from the beginning 00:07:36.070 --> 00:07:38.130 to the end, you have not watched that movie. 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:41.250 You've missed it and and you know you 00:07:41.250 --> 00:07:44.310 should be using those utensils those 00:07:44.310 --> 00:07:47.370 whatever that hardware was from a clockwork orange to 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:51.310 make sure you don't blink too because you know you're missing a big chunk of 00:07:51.310 --> 00:07:56.310 the movie just from blinking so yeah i don't wear the things on my eyes when 00:07:56.310 --> 00:08:01.770 i watch movies maybe maybe i should but yeah no any anyway what was i saying 00:08:01.770 --> 00:08:04.810 oh yes i take the screenshot to we're finishing the movie. 00:08:05.090 --> 00:08:12.770 But also whenever I hear about any movie like that might be interesting or TV 00:08:12.770 --> 00:08:19.390 show or book, I basically take a photo or a screenshot to indicate that. 00:08:19.550 --> 00:08:24.570 So like if I actually like see it like on a screen or something, 00:08:24.730 --> 00:08:27.150 I'll take a picture of whatever I see. 00:08:27.350 --> 00:08:32.390 If it's something that I heard of and then I'll look it up on Wikipedia or IMDb 00:08:32.390 --> 00:08:33.810 or whatever and take a screenshot out of that. 00:08:34.010 --> 00:08:39.150 Anyway, so when I go through this stuff, I'm basically going through everything 00:08:39.150 --> 00:08:42.690 on my camera roll since the last time I did it, 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:49.410 looking for the photos or screenshots that indicate either I finished a movie 00:08:49.410 --> 00:08:54.570 book or TV show or that, hey, here's a new movie book or TV show that you might be interested in. 00:08:54.910 --> 00:09:01.470 And then I put them on a wiki page on my website and build up the list that we pick from. 00:09:02.330 --> 00:09:04.890 I don't know what the point of sharing that was this time. Anyway, 00:09:05.170 --> 00:09:06.970 it's always we're falling behind. 00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:11.430 It's going to take me hours and hours to catch up. And I'm pretty sure Alex 00:09:11.430 --> 00:09:17.070 and I have been averaging more than two movies a week or certainly more than one. 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:23.710 Maybe more than two. Maybe not more than two. Probably right around two. It varies. 00:09:24.010 --> 00:09:29.390 It varies up and down by month. And what's going on, like, certainly there are 00:09:29.390 --> 00:09:31.690 some months that have less than one per week. 00:09:31.690 --> 00:09:38.110 But there are some months that have a lot more than one per week typically those tend to be like. 00:09:39.370 --> 00:09:42.910 Holiday areas like i'm looking at last november we 00:09:42.910 --> 00:09:49.210 watched a lot of movies last november but there were a bunch like concentrated 00:09:49.210 --> 00:09:53.710 around the holiday at the end of november so we were just taking the time to 00:09:53.710 --> 00:09:58.390 do that there were a bunch in december too but they were less I don't know. 00:09:58.570 --> 00:09:59.810 I don't even know what I'm saying. 00:10:00.410 --> 00:10:07.910 Anyway, the movie this time to talk about is Psych the Movie. 00:10:08.430 --> 00:10:14.970 So this was a, so first of all, by the fact that it has the movie, 00:10:14.970 --> 00:10:20.570 you probably already know it is related to something called Psych that was not a movie. 00:10:20.570 --> 00:10:24.050 And that's the the tv show psych 00:10:24.050 --> 00:10:26.750 and uh let me i'm gonna 00:10:26.750 --> 00:10:30.550 check when i watched that the actual 00:10:30.550 --> 00:10:41.250 the actual tv show psych i finished watching in 2015 i started it before i was 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:48.870 keeping track like religiously of everything we were watching but i i finished it in 2015. 00:10:50.030 --> 00:10:52.930 There was a the tv show psych was on 00:10:52.930 --> 00:10:56.430 the air from 2016 to 2014 which indicates 00:10:56.430 --> 00:10:59.430 like i finished it right around the time it actually 00:10:59.430 --> 00:11:05.370 finished i think this is one of those shows where we were well i finished in 00:11:05.370 --> 00:11:10.470 2015 so we were a little behind but like we we were watching the show while 00:11:10.470 --> 00:11:15.290 it was actually on the air and while they were still making new episodes and 00:11:15.290 --> 00:11:18.590 it was one of the shows that the family sort of usually watch together. 00:11:18.950 --> 00:11:23.750 But anyway, it was on from 2006 to 2014. 00:11:24.110 --> 00:11:29.670 There were 120 episodes over the course of eight seasons. The basic... 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.600 Premise of the tv show was you 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.160 know there's this there's this guy sean spencer 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:41.320 he's his dad is a cop or 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.720 a retired cop something like that and he basically 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.580 sets up a a private 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:51.580 detective agency with the notion 00:11:51.580 --> 00:11:54.680 that he is a psychic detective now the 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:57.740 show goes into really what it is is he just has a 00:11:57.740 --> 00:12:01.540 really really good photographic memory and 00:12:01.540 --> 00:12:04.460 ability to like sense patterns and all 00:12:04.460 --> 00:12:07.240 of that kind of stuff and he just plays it off 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.420 as being psychic and that that 00:12:10.420 --> 00:12:15.720 was the premise of the show went for eight seasons it's a it's a dramedy i guess 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:20.580 it's it's like part like police procedural because he works with the police 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:26.500 a lot and and solves crimes and blah blah blah so you you have sort of the detective 00:12:26.500 --> 00:12:28.660 crime-fighting police thing going on. 00:12:28.800 --> 00:12:39.060 And you've got some dramatic elements that occur, and there's what are his interpersonal 00:12:39.060 --> 00:12:42.260 interactions with his best friend, Gus. 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:48.580 And, oh, I should mention, Sean Spencer's played by James Roday. 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:54.520 Gus is played by Dulé Hill, who is also famously in the West Wing. 00:12:54.520 --> 00:12:56.200 He's been in other things afterwards. 00:12:56.820 --> 00:13:01.320 Anyway, it's mostly a comedy, you know, it's, so it's not, it's not to be taken seriously. 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:06.580 I don't remember if I actively reviewed the show here on the podcast, 00:13:06.580 --> 00:13:10.100 uh, since it was way back in 2015. And I'm not sure we were regularly doing 00:13:10.100 --> 00:13:13.060 that at that point, but I would give it a thumbs up. 00:13:13.180 --> 00:13:15.580 I enjoyed the TV series. 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.900 It was a fun show. this psych 00:13:18.900 --> 00:13:23.000 the movie is a a 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.940 tv movie that uh was in 2017 so 00:13:26.940 --> 00:13:30.460 three years after the show ended which 00:13:30.460 --> 00:13:36.500 basically picked up the adventures of you know all the main characters and what 00:13:36.500 --> 00:13:42.100 happened next and so first of all i'll give the thumbs up for the show itself 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:50.100 good show watch it i will give a thumbs up for Psych the Movie as well. 00:13:51.780 --> 00:13:57.560 But two things. One, it is really a continuation of the show. 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.820 Like, you don't come in cold to Psych the Movie. 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:08.940 You watch it if you've finished watching the TV show and now you want to continue. 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.480 Because they've actually made three TV movies afterwards. 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:21.740 Words it's so there was psych the movie then psych two lassie come home and 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:28.020 then psych three this is gus those were in 2017 2020 and 2021 um, 00:14:28.900 --> 00:14:33.400 Alex and I actually just recently watched Psych 2, but it won't come up on our 00:14:33.400 --> 00:14:37.240 list for a long time. So I'm just talking about Psych the movie for now. 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.420 So one, it really is a continuation. 00:14:42.980 --> 00:14:48.100 And you would never watch this if you had not watched the show. 00:14:49.180 --> 00:14:55.140 They're essentially just long episodes of the TV show. 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:58.940 I mean and that's 00:14:58.940 --> 00:15:01.700 fine it's good i liked it i am giving it a 00:15:01.700 --> 00:15:05.800 thumbs up i will also say that even 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:08.960 by the end of the tv 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:13.120 show sort of a lot of the shtick that 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.780 is the main sort of comedy the 00:15:16.780 --> 00:15:20.300 show was based on was starting 00:15:20.300 --> 00:15:24.500 to wear a little thin i mean there's 00:15:24.500 --> 00:15:27.500 only so many times the characters can 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:30.540 sort of essentially play out 00:15:30.540 --> 00:15:38.360 the same types of jokes that are centered around how they interact and the fact 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:43.480 that he's like pretending to be a psychic i think in the movies they actually 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:49.860 really play that down and sort of it's much more just him you know using his skills, 00:15:50.920 --> 00:15:52.220 but you know. 00:15:54.010 --> 00:15:58.650 It's still, it's still fun. It's still good. I mean, I, you know, 00:15:58.750 --> 00:16:02.910 it sounds, it may sound like I'm wishy-washy and sort of leaning towards the 00:16:02.910 --> 00:16:07.210 sideways rather than the thumbs up, but I'll still give it a thumbs up. 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:10.310 I think they're fun characters. It's a fun little adventure. 00:16:10.910 --> 00:16:17.770 They, they do their thing, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's really just more of the TV show. 00:16:17.930 --> 00:16:23.010 Like if you like the TV show, definitely watch the movies. If you haven't watched 00:16:23.010 --> 00:16:28.970 the TV show, don't watch the movie unless you go watch the show and then like it. 00:16:29.290 --> 00:16:31.890 I mean, it's really that simple. 00:16:32.750 --> 00:16:41.190 And, you know, the other thing actually, like, and I admit, I was thinking this 00:16:41.190 --> 00:16:45.210 more as we, like I said, we recently watched the second of the movies and that's 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:46.950 fresher in my mind than the first. 00:16:46.950 --> 00:16:49.890 But i think 00:16:49.890 --> 00:16:52.890 this was true even in the first movie another part of 00:16:52.890 --> 00:16:58.930 it is just the characters sean sean and gus the two main characters is also 00:16:58.930 --> 00:17:04.090 like his girlfriend and and a few other people but like sean and gus the two 00:17:04.090 --> 00:17:11.290 main characters when this started out you know it they were, 00:17:11.990 --> 00:17:17.290 I don't know how old the actors were actually, but my impression was these are 00:17:17.290 --> 00:17:20.770 characters in their twenties, maybe they're late twenties, but they're, 00:17:20.830 --> 00:17:23.110 they're in their twenties. They're still young kids. 00:17:23.670 --> 00:17:27.390 And the sort of goofiness is like, okay, it's fine. 00:17:27.570 --> 00:17:33.470 They're kid kids, you know, as a, as a person in my fifties, 00:17:33.750 --> 00:17:35.790 I could call people in their twenties kids. 00:17:36.170 --> 00:17:37.910 Yeah. Yeah. But. 00:17:39.130 --> 00:17:41.570 It was sort of like, oh, yeah, they're goofy. They're young. 00:17:41.730 --> 00:17:46.970 It's fine. They're playing around. By the time we get to the movies, they're older. 00:17:47.510 --> 00:17:51.930 They look older. They're in a later stage of their lives. 00:17:52.390 --> 00:17:57.330 And it's like, okay, shouldn't they have grown up a little bit? 00:17:57.710 --> 00:18:00.930 They're still acting like they were a decade earlier. 00:18:02.050 --> 00:18:05.090 Shouldn't they just grow up a tad? And I 00:18:05.090 --> 00:18:12.170 know like the whole premise of the show and later the things is around how they're 00:18:12.170 --> 00:18:18.230 goofy with each other and how they're how they're goofy with the stuff that 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:23.170 they're interacting with as they go about and solve the crimes and all this kind of stuff. 00:18:23.170 --> 00:18:27.290 But but still it's like it's 00:18:27.290 --> 00:18:30.430 one of the act your age a little bit i mean 00:18:30.430 --> 00:18:33.370 even in their 20s they weren't really acting their age 00:18:33.370 --> 00:18:36.490 they're mean but you know you you kind of like can understand it 00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:42.270 when they're older in the movies and i guess to some extent even in the later 00:18:42.270 --> 00:18:50.050 seasons but like it really it starts to like be okay come on dude you're clearly 00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:54.070 if you're not already 40 you're close and, 00:18:54.070 --> 00:18:58.250 and you're still acting like a kid and really, 00:18:58.570 --> 00:19:04.850 you know, so let, let, let me see how old these, these characters act, 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:08.950 well, the actors actually are right now. 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:12.650 And the, the, the movie I'm looking at was 2017. So that's. 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:19.760 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. God, that was eight years ago already. 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:23.340 So subtract eight. 00:19:25.580 --> 00:19:30.600 James Roday is currently 49. 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:35.120 So he would have already been 41 at that point. 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:41.340 Dulé Hill also 49. So yeah, they were over 40 in Psych the Movie. 00:19:41.340 --> 00:19:47.460 And they're still running around acting like, you know, with the maturity of 00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:51.480 college kids, you know, their characters were out of college. 00:19:51.620 --> 00:19:55.560 They were, you know, but so mid, let's call it mid twenties. 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.960 Let's see, how old would they have been when this thing was originally, 00:20:00.140 --> 00:20:02.560 when the TV show started? 2006. 00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:06.500 When was, when was he born? 76. 00:20:07.340 --> 00:20:11.560 So 86, 96, 06. So he was 30. 00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:18.060 They were both 30 when this thing started out, probably playing people in their mid to late 20s. 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:24.920 And, and it's just, yeah, it's, it's, it's just less convincing when they're 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:32.840 like in their early 40s instead, sort of playing things the same way as they did. I don't know. 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.220 But I mean, it's still funny just to be clear. 00:20:37.420 --> 00:20:41.920 It's still funny. It still works. I still kind of care about these characters 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.320 to some degree, especially when they're like getting in and out of relationships 00:20:46.320 --> 00:20:50.800 and how, you know, is the, what's going to happen there and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. 00:20:51.990 --> 00:20:57.790 But not in a serious, it's not even like a romantic comedy where you like get caught up in that. 00:20:57.930 --> 00:21:02.070 It's just that those kinds of things are sort of side issues and they make jokes 00:21:02.070 --> 00:21:03.770 out of that too and blah, blah, blah. 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:10.390 But anyway, the plot of this one, just to give you a little bit from the Wikipedia summary. 00:21:11.350 --> 00:21:16.670 So at the very end of the series, they all moved to San Francisco. 00:21:17.490 --> 00:21:20.370 In the series, they were in, where were they? 00:21:27.490 --> 00:21:33.450 Somewhere in Southern California I forget the town oh Santa Barbara they were 00:21:33.450 --> 00:21:34.750 supposed to be in Santa Barbara. 00:21:36.410 --> 00:21:40.170 Anyway at the end of the series they move to San Francisco, 00:21:41.350 --> 00:21:50.250 and you know Sean and Gus show up anyway to find out who shot his girlfriend's 00:21:50.370 --> 00:21:53.490 partner she was on the san francisco pd she moved there 00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:56.150 blah blah blah they yeah and there's a 00:21:56.150 --> 00:21:59.430 mysterious organization and she wants 00:21:59.430 --> 00:22:07.630 to solve the crime as you know and and and without them and then they got they 00:22:07.630 --> 00:22:12.430 decide they need sean's help because of course they do sean wants to finally 00:22:12.430 --> 00:22:17.410 get married to juliet he was she was his girlfriend in the last half of the 00:22:17.410 --> 00:22:18.770 series and And, you know, 00:22:18.850 --> 00:22:21.290 there was a will they, won't they at the beginning of the series. 00:22:22.630 --> 00:22:26.690 And, but he doesn't want to until he can find his grandmother's ring that he 00:22:26.690 --> 00:22:28.090 wants to use for the proposal. 00:22:28.890 --> 00:22:35.750 And, you know, he ends up being in, you know, comedy ensues, adventure ensues. 00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:39.030 He gets in trouble with criminals as he's trying to track down the ring. 00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:44.210 And as they are trying to track down the killer of his partner's, 00:22:44.210 --> 00:22:47.450 the killer of his girlfriend's police partner. 00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:50.650 Or did he die? Or was he just shot? I don't remember. 00:22:52.210 --> 00:22:56.290 Anyway, and of course all this stuff comes together and hijinks ensue. 00:22:58.370 --> 00:23:01.910 Thumbs up if you've watched the show and liked the show. 00:23:02.510 --> 00:23:07.590 If you haven't watched the show, go check out the show. I give it a thumbs up too. 00:23:09.030 --> 00:23:17.830 With a tad of, like most of these long-running shows, the quality slowly goes 00:23:17.830 --> 00:23:20.850 down over the course of the history of the show. 00:23:20.990 --> 00:23:23.970 And I think that continues with the movies. 00:23:25.490 --> 00:23:29.490 But they're still good. And if you end up as a fan of the show, 00:23:29.670 --> 00:23:31.470 you will want to watch the movies, too. 00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:35.070 We haven't watched the last movie, the third movie yet. 00:23:36.030 --> 00:23:43.430 Although apparently they want to make more there is a fourth one so they've 00:23:43.430 --> 00:23:50.010 done three of these movies there's a fourth one in development the producer says they want to do, 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.780 five, six, and seven as well before they're done. 00:23:56.420 --> 00:24:02.400 But, okay, come on. I'm already complaining about by the time we get to psych 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:08.320 the movie, let alone two or three, that they are too old to play their characters. 00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:13.920 Well, I mean, without the characters growing up. I mean, I don't know. 00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:19.320 If they actually grew up, you'd change the character of the whole series. 00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:26.640 I don't know. I feel like they're diminishing returns in this series as we go on. 00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:30.660 Anyway, you got my ideas. You got my thoughts. 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:36.040 That's it for now. The next movie, by the way, that I don't feel like talking 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:41.760 about right now, I feel like we can talk about this with Yvonne here, is Chinatown from 1974. 00:24:42.820 --> 00:24:47.180 Very, very different vibe than Psych the Movie. 00:24:48.860 --> 00:24:52.300 Yeah more serious movie got academy 00:24:52.300 --> 00:24:55.080 award nominations we watched it because it's on that 00:24:55.080 --> 00:24:57.860 afi list of the hundred movies of the first 00:24:57.860 --> 00:25:01.060 hundred years blah blah blah very different 00:25:01.060 --> 00:25:07.480 vibe anyway i'll wait to talk about that next time and yeah maybe one of these 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:14.480 days when there's maybe we'll just do an all media show one week i don't know 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.640 to to try to catch up on these things And Yvonne could contribute sometimes. 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.520 You know he watches stuff. 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:26.160 He just only very occasionally decides to talk about it on the show. 00:25:26.540 --> 00:25:32.720 So, you know, it is what it is. Okay, we are going to take our first break. 00:25:33.760 --> 00:25:37.300 And for you, it'll be a couple minutes while the break plays. 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:44.880 For me, it'll probably be many hours, because I've got that other work to do. 00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:48.040 I want to watch some more TV or movies with Alex. 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.760 I've got some personal projects I want to work on. I probably should do some laundry. 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.220 And did I mention the work I have to do for my actual job? I need to do some 00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:01.400 of that. Oh, and taxes. I mentioned that. I don't want to do any of these. 00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:07.040 You know, I want to just sit down and work on my other personal projects. 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.580 Like, I've got a couple, like, projects I'm working on that I'd like to do that 00:26:11.580 --> 00:26:15.940 I haven't had a lot of time to do in the last month. I'd like to just spend some time on those. 00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:20.680 I'd like to alternate between working on those things and watching TV with my son. 00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:24.400 You know i don't want to do taxes i don't 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.720 want to do the work for work you know laundry okay 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.520 i i will be honest i actually kind of 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:35.740 enjoy doing the laundry because you 00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:38.700 know this this aside from putting the machine there's 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:41.580 like putting stuff away the sort sorting stuff like 00:26:41.580 --> 00:26:44.540 i sort the dirty stuff into like is it my stuff is 00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:47.820 it alex's stuff is it brandy's stuff etc is 00:26:47.820 --> 00:26:51.180 it like sheets and towels i i i do the sorting i 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:54.640 don't sort by color i sort by who it 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.860 belongs to sort of i enjoy 00:26:57.860 --> 00:27:00.620 like because i i can put my headphones on i can 00:27:00.620 --> 00:27:03.440 put on music or a podcast or whatever and i 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.180 sort of am doing something semi-physical for like 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:09.620 an hour while i do that kind of stuff and i 00:27:09.620 --> 00:27:13.920 have fun doing that i i don't you know so i wouldn't mind right it's the same 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:20.080 thing like when i do some cleaning stuff i mean i can dishes cleaning stuff 00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:24.940 like that i haven't i haven't done a bunch as much of that as i would like lately 00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:28.660 just like i haven't done as much with my personal projects as i would like. 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:36.240 Because of being swamped with the work for work stuff the the one i haven't 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:41.940 ignored is the sitting and doing stuff with alex stuff mainly watching tv but 00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:44.480 also sometimes playing computer games sometimes doing other stuff. 00:27:45.040 --> 00:27:50.180 We've been doing that. But also, finally, I'm hungry. I did have a snack earlier 00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:51.840 today, but I am hungry again. 00:27:52.540 --> 00:27:55.980 And so there will be food. There will be food. 00:27:56.420 --> 00:28:03.300 So if you are also hungry, feel free to pause the podcast, go get food, and then come back. 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.320 Or you can actually listen to the podcast and eat it at the same time. 00:28:06.520 --> 00:28:09.460 It's hard for me to eat and record the podcast 00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:12.620 at the same time a couple 00:28:12.620 --> 00:28:15.400 times i've had i've been hungry and i've 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.240 had food here while i'm recording but then i realize 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.240 i can't really eat and talk at the same time efficiently for the podcast and 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:30.020 so that doesn't work anyway i said there'd be a break here's the break and then 00:28:30.020 --> 00:28:35.400 when we come back the next segment will be basically me playing what yvonne 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.440 had to say about tariffs and everything, 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.760 and then me reacting to that. 00:28:40.020 --> 00:28:45.760 And then the third segment will be whatever I feel like after that. Okay, here we go. 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:59.060 Okay, we are back. And like I said, yeah, it's the next day for me. 00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:00.240 I didn't do it in the evening. 00:30:00.600 --> 00:30:06.980 I did other things. I'm behind on the stuff I have to do this weekend, 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:08.560 but that's okay. That's okay. 00:30:09.820 --> 00:30:14.340 I'm about to play the recording Yvonne sent me to talk about his thoughts on tariffs. 00:30:14.520 --> 00:30:22.240 Just to place this in time for you, Yvonne recorded this after Trump added the 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.520 90-day pause on every country except China. 00:30:26.580 --> 00:30:32.880 But before, he also announced that he was exempting consumer electronics, 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.280 like phones and computers and stuff. 00:30:35.800 --> 00:30:40.320 Now, as I am recording this, I just saw that on one of the morning shows, 00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:44.420 one of Trump's advisors, one of the Sunday morning morning shows, 00:30:44.560 --> 00:30:49.200 that is, one of Trump's advisors said, well, that's probably only temporary. 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:54.460 We'll be bringing back tariffs on computers and electronics and semiconductors 00:30:54.460 --> 00:30:55.520 and all that kind of stuff. 00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.480 We just have to, you know, we're going to figure out a new form. 00:31:00.600 --> 00:31:03.460 They'll be back in like a month or so. That was a Lutnick. 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.660 The quote was correct. That's right. 00:31:06.060 --> 00:31:09.320 Semiconductors and pharmaceuticals will have a tariff model in order to encourage 00:31:09.320 --> 00:31:16.000 them to reshore in response to the host, Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week saying, 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.400 so you're saying that the big tariffs on things like smartphones and tariffs, 00:31:19.620 --> 00:31:23.760 all those phones, iPhones built in China, that none of those tariffs are, are temporary, 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:27.840 that those tariffs are temporarily off, but they're going to be coming right 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:30.600 back on in another form in a month or so. 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.920 There you go. And you can tell my age because I almost said this week with David 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:42.440 Brinkley, but it has been a long time since David Brinkley hosted that show. 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.700 Anyway, let's, let's, let's go to the Yvonne clip. 00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:53.120 I'm going to hit the button, see how this works. Here we go. 00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:58.080 I'm hoping that folks on the live stream will actually see the video, not just the audio. 00:31:58.320 --> 00:32:00.280 But of course, if you're listening to the audio version later, 00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:02.500 it's all audio anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Here you go. 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:09.410 Hello, curmudgeons. Sorry I'm not on this week, but unfortunately, 00:32:10.230 --> 00:32:19.950 I had a death in the family, and this made it that I had to play cancel on Sam, 00:32:20.150 --> 00:32:24.750 but I, given the turmoil of this week, I did not want to leave the guys without. 00:32:24.750 --> 00:32:29.090 I think if any of you have followed on the Slack, you know that I have been 00:32:29.090 --> 00:32:34.370 very actively sharing what the hell is going on like right now. 00:32:34.510 --> 00:32:38.470 But let me give you the big highlights this week. 00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:44.270 One of the first things is that Trump caved and Trump caved because he was scared. 00:32:44.590 --> 00:32:52.350 They scared him. And the main reason why he caved on the tariffs after these 00:32:52.350 --> 00:32:58.690 rounds of Trump saying he's got all the cards, set all these tariffs, set them sky high, 00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:01.610 stock markets kept just plummeting. 00:33:02.190 --> 00:33:06.430 Even after he went he said that he's suspending the tariffs there's something 00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:10.870 that's happening that's a very bad sign which is that bond yields, 00:33:11.590 --> 00:33:16.390 have soared and they continue to soar even with the expectation of a recession 00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:19.170 right now that's a very bad sign. 00:33:20.190 --> 00:33:26.010 The two main reasons why this is probably happening is that number one you've 00:33:26.010 --> 00:33:29.710 had a lot of people that must have had margin calls and the most liquid things 00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:31.550 that they can sell on a margin call. 00:33:31.710 --> 00:33:34.010 You have to sell what's unfortunately valuable. 00:33:34.270 --> 00:33:38.410 I unfortunately lived through one of these a long time ago. 00:33:38.770 --> 00:33:43.270 So you get a margin call. It's usually because your dodgiest investments are 00:33:43.270 --> 00:33:45.550 the ones that really took the worst beating. 00:33:45.810 --> 00:33:50.310 So in order to cover for that, you have to sell the best stuff you've got. 00:33:50.550 --> 00:33:54.550 And so in many cases, what that means to hedge funds is they got to sell treasuries. 00:33:56.110 --> 00:34:01.910 So that's causing that to go up. But A lot of information really indicates that 00:34:01.910 --> 00:34:05.670 both Japan and China have been dumping bonds. 00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:11.510 And they're doing this in retaliation. I have no doubt that they're doing this in retaliation. 00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:15.230 Trump kept going out there talking about how he's holding all the cards, 00:34:15.370 --> 00:34:16.650 blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. 00:34:16.850 --> 00:34:20.170 It's complete horse shit. As a U.S. 00:34:20.890 --> 00:34:27.970 Imports goods we pay in dollars, they in turn buy a lot of treasuries. 00:34:28.910 --> 00:34:34.270 And that money flow has happened like that for decades. 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:38.490 And the reason why a lot of people want to do that also is because the U.S. 00:34:38.570 --> 00:34:41.850 Is a good place, has been historically a good place to invest money, 00:34:41.850 --> 00:34:43.730 has been a safe haven to invest money. 00:34:43.870 --> 00:34:48.630 People want money in the United States because they expect stable government. 00:34:48.630 --> 00:34:51.850 They expect stable monetary policies. 00:34:52.510 --> 00:35:00.430 They don't expect arbitrary changes. And unfortunately, Trump has come in and broken that. 00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:09.020 He has severely broken the faith that people have in the U.S. 00:35:09.220 --> 00:35:11.160 Dollar and U.S. 00:35:11.620 --> 00:35:17.600 Treasury bonds. And so that's why you're seeing a situation that I don't remember 00:35:17.600 --> 00:35:21.580 ever seeing in my lifetime, which is stocks are getting dumped. 00:35:22.180 --> 00:35:29.140 You're not seeing the race to safety as going to treasuries. 00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:32.640 They're going somewhere else. the money's 00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:35.460 going somewhere else one thing that has taken a 00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:38.320 lot of that money is hold i think 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.320 i probably mentioned i know on the slack i mentioned 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.500 this but in february i did 00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:51.300 sell a substantial part of my holdings in the stock market and bought gold precisely 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:57.900 because i feared something like this and also because another guy that's smarter 00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:01.760 than all of us, as time has become more obvious, 00:36:02.540 --> 00:36:09.020 was a whole courting cash and had sold a lot of his stocks. And that's Warren Buffett. 00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:12.940 And that guy doesn't take such a decision lightly. 00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:19.460 He was reading the room better than any of us. And he thought a lot of this was very possible. 00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:25.680 And so Berkshire Hathaway is holding around $400 billion in cash and equivalents. 00:36:26.740 --> 00:36:29.660 You know, he's the only guy that's up in the year. 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:35.140 Everybody else, top 10 richest people are down. They're down a lot. 00:36:36.560 --> 00:36:42.120 We are in a uncharted territory situation here right now. 00:36:43.140 --> 00:36:46.500 Where the tariffs, not all the tariffs are the one. 00:36:47.140 --> 00:36:51.600 Many of them are still in place. You've got a lot of small businesses that are 00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:58.740 trying to clear merchandise at customs now from China, and they can't afford to. 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:05.580 The tariffs are so steep that you're having people not being able to afford 00:37:05.580 --> 00:37:07.460 the shit they ordered months ago. 00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:13.720 So this is a difficult situation for many, and nobody is coming to the rescue 00:37:13.720 --> 00:37:15.260 of these small businesses right now. 00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:19.920 And when a lot of this merchandise will get through, if it gets through, 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:24.000 it's going to push up inflation. There's no way around it. 00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:29.910 So we are right now in a situation that is, 00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:38.970 I've never lived through my lifetime where I saw just somebody dispurposely 00:37:38.970 --> 00:37:41.130 trashing a good economy. 00:37:41.850 --> 00:37:49.510 And that's what Donald Trump just did. And the pain of this is not all here yet, not even remotely. 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:58.390 We're going to get a lot more pain as the months progress even if some deal is cut like right now, 00:37:58.910 --> 00:38:06.630 he didn't suspend all the tariffs not only one he said that he's going to negotiate 70 deals with, 00:38:07.390 --> 00:38:11.710 deals with 70 countries in like 90 days that is an insane amount of deals to 00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:16.930 cut in 90 days most of the trade deals that were in place that we had up to 00:38:16.930 --> 00:38:20.370 now were the byproduct of years and years and years of negotiation. 00:38:20.930 --> 00:38:27.770 And so all of a sudden trying to cut 70 deals in like 90 days seems completely nuts. 00:38:31.430 --> 00:38:36.170 So look, every indicator right now for the economy is bad. 00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:41.410 There are no good indicators, consumer sentiment, interest rates. 00:38:41.830 --> 00:38:43.090 They're not looking good. 00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:48.410 Trump's approval ratings in tandem are collapsing like right now. 00:38:49.230 --> 00:38:54.430 Congress hasn't done anything. I'm wondering when, when the breaking point is going to be, 00:38:54.950 --> 00:39:00.850 I think at some point, if this continues, there will be a breaking point because 00:39:00.850 --> 00:39:05.030 one of the things, you know, people are talking about authoritarians and how they handle things. 00:39:06.370 --> 00:39:09.930 Look, the two best examples I can give, Putin and Hitler, one of the things 00:39:09.930 --> 00:39:14.430 they did was like prop up the economy as they took control. 00:39:14.950 --> 00:39:16.530 That was, that was key. 00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:22.750 I mean, Putin went and in his first decade really improved Russian economy. 00:39:23.050 --> 00:39:25.650 So did Hitler coming out of World War II. 00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:31.190 That's how you, that's how you make sure that your supporters are on board. 00:39:31.650 --> 00:39:36.030 But Trump instead went and like inside 90 days, not even 90 days. 00:39:36.370 --> 00:39:39.090 You know, kneecap the economy. 00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:45.370 Just kneecap the economy for no good fucking reason whatsoever. 00:39:45.970 --> 00:39:52.130 And that pain, the worst of the pain, is going to hit his supporters. 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:57.430 Already his supporters on the Wall Street, all of them, most of them realize 00:39:57.430 --> 00:40:00.630 that he is a complete idiot that cannot be trusted. 00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:05.530 That's a fact. Whether they're saying it out loud, that's a different thing, 00:40:05.550 --> 00:40:07.990 but Most of them have to come to that conclusion. 00:40:08.450 --> 00:40:14.930 And as the pain of this self-inflicted wound starts reaching everybody, 00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:21.750 this will cause a lot of people to get really angry. 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:24.430 A lot of his supporters get really angry. 00:40:25.690 --> 00:40:31.710 That's when we see whether this starts having a significant effect on whether 00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:39.370 Congress acts to basically take control of the situation at some point. 00:40:39.650 --> 00:40:44.210 I mean, it's just one of those things where right now you got Congress then. 00:40:45.990 --> 00:40:50.570 Just acquiescing at every turn to the lunacy of this administration. 00:40:52.130 --> 00:40:56.270 They're pushing this economy to the breaking point. I mean, forget about all 00:40:56.270 --> 00:41:00.950 the other things that they're doing in terms of... I mean, I'm not even going to discuss that. 00:41:01.190 --> 00:41:04.970 They keep doing all these things that are wrecking every other institution, 00:41:05.330 --> 00:41:11.870 you know, undermining science, undermining our bilateral security agreements. 00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:17.190 Undermining the health of the average American. 00:41:18.620 --> 00:41:24.920 Just so many things. But it's going to be... This is not... This is bad. 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.240 This is bad. And just rolling back... 00:41:28.740 --> 00:41:33.520 There was a relief rally this week, to some extent, about him pushing back some 00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:37.340 stuff that hasn't translated into the bond market. 00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:40.280 And I think that is the key benchmark. 00:41:40.540 --> 00:41:43.640 I think American companies, to some extent, the global ones, 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.960 because they sell so much outside the U.S., 00:41:48.720 --> 00:41:52.320 I mean, in the case of Apple, for example, more than 60% of revenue comes out 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:58.100 of the U.S., they probably aren't taking the total brunt of some of the stuff. 00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:04.260 And the dollar devaluing in terms of like, hey, if you're selling Europe, 00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:07.780 well, that increases the value of what you sell overseas. 00:42:08.120 --> 00:42:14.340 So that's beneficial in certain ways for the profit or loss of the companies. 00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:18.560 Now, the other thing is the Chinese are really, really pissed, 00:42:18.600 --> 00:42:23.840 and they've decided that they're unlike before where, you know, 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.620 they were allowing Trump to be a bully. 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:31.560 I think that one thing that's broken this cycle like right now is the fact that 00:42:31.560 --> 00:42:36.720 they they stood up and said, fuck, you know, and I had hoped that other people 00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:39.380 had been taking a harder stance against them. 00:42:39.740 --> 00:42:42.360 These things. But we'll see what happens. 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.960 They said they're going to negotiate. I don't know when that's going to happen, 00:42:47.080 --> 00:42:52.600 but hopefully we'll talk to you guys soon next week. Okay. All right. Take care, guys. Bye. 00:42:53.720 --> 00:42:57.500 Okay. So there was Ivan on the tariffs. 00:42:57.820 --> 00:43:03.980 So, you know, this is his expertise more than it is mine, but I'll add a couple 00:43:03.980 --> 00:43:08.960 of thoughts anyway, before we break and move on to something else. First of all, 00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:17.340 This, I think, absolutely is an indication of a, you know, a true Trump back off. 00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:21.200 And we have seen, this is not the first one. 00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:27.900 There have been a number of situations where when something has gotten a significant 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:34.780 amount of negative pushback, Trump has actually backed off or his administration has backed off. 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.640 You know, there, there were more minor examples, like, you know, 00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:44.280 even things like, Hey, the bathrooms closed at national parks and stuff. 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:46.180 They figured out a way to back that out. 00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:52.500 There were some other policy changes that, you know, people were like, 00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:55.520 this is really stupid. This is dumb. 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:03.060 And things that were getting universal mocking, not the things that, 00:44:03.140 --> 00:44:08.480 you know, your usual suspect Democrats would complain about because they want that. They love that. 00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:17.340 All the better. All the better if all of the blue politicians are upset and 00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:18.720 Democrats are freaking out. 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.160 But the things that were causing everybody to go, wait, what? 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.780 What are you doing? They have backed off on a number of those things. 00:44:26.020 --> 00:44:29.560 Before this, most of them have been smaller items, though. 00:44:30.100 --> 00:44:35.940 They have been things that, you know, you had to be, you might notice if you 00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:40.400 paid attention to that particular thing, but they weren't big headline grabbing backoffs. 00:44:40.680 --> 00:44:45.680 They were sort of little incremental things. This is, I think the first one that's really big. 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:54.060 And, you know, up until like the day before Trump backed off a bit on this, 00:44:54.220 --> 00:44:58.660 he was saying, no, we're not backing off. This is what we want. 00:44:59.100 --> 00:45:06.200 And there was back and forth with various people of his spokespeople not quite 00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:09.420 being coherent on their messaging, but some saying that there was going to be 00:45:09.420 --> 00:45:13.480 negotiations, some saying there were not, and this is just how it is. 00:45:14.200 --> 00:45:20.420 We're clearly now on the, we're making negotiations. But here's the thing too. 00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:25.160 Yvonne and I had said last week that, 00:45:25.640 --> 00:45:30.600 look, yeah, we talked a bit about the worst case scenarios if this just like stuck, 00:45:30.640 --> 00:45:39.820 but we said the most likely scenario was Trump would claim some sort of minor 00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:45.820 concession as a huge win and use it to declare victory and back off. 00:45:45.820 --> 00:45:49.000 Here's the thing there wasn't 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:55.520 even that fig leaf this time the closest to what he said was he was keeping 00:45:55.520 --> 00:46:01.640 the tariffs on for countries that had retaliated specifically China I noticed 00:46:01.640 --> 00:46:06.280 there were there were some EU retaliation too that apparently got ignored but, 00:46:07.130 --> 00:46:12.630 You know, we're keeping the, keeping the tariffs on for the countries that retaliated 00:46:12.630 --> 00:46:15.130 and for everybody else, we're backing off. 00:46:15.270 --> 00:46:18.910 Now they didn't back off completely. They kept like the 10% minimums across 00:46:18.910 --> 00:46:21.790 the board everywhere. They kept like previous tariff increases. 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:25.810 This was just like on some of the new reciprocal, quote unquote, reciprocal. 00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:28.450 We talked last week how it's not really a reciprocal tariff, 00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:31.610 but there was no wind to claim. 00:46:32.370 --> 00:46:37.530 It was, it was a straight up back off. It was a, we're going to, 00:46:37.730 --> 00:46:42.210 we're not going to do this. We're going to push another 90 days. 00:46:42.370 --> 00:46:47.030 And, and this, this matches what he did earlier with, you know. 00:46:47.990 --> 00:46:49.430 Canada, Mexico, et cetera. 00:46:49.710 --> 00:46:55.530 Remember before those things, he, the deadline has been announced a couple of 00:46:55.530 --> 00:46:59.010 times and then they moved it at the last minute and then they moved it in the last minute. 00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:02.010 Some of them are in effect now to be clear, I think. 00:47:03.250 --> 00:47:06.110 But they and this time 00:47:06.110 --> 00:47:09.010 it was sort of allowed to go into effect and then 00:47:09.010 --> 00:47:12.090 pulled back but you know it was such a short time it was unclear how 00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:16.590 many people actually paid things by the time they backed off again but this 00:47:16.590 --> 00:47:21.750 was a this was a straight off back off and the only the other thing that i think 00:47:21.750 --> 00:47:27.350 is important there's been reports like the biggest guy pushing for this tariff 00:47:27.350 --> 00:47:29.690 approach within the administration was Navarro. 00:47:30.490 --> 00:47:34.830 And it appears his role has been diminished. 00:47:38.430 --> 00:47:46.410 You know, the drama inside the Trump administration was significant here. 00:47:46.550 --> 00:47:49.570 We have sort of the rift with Musk over this. 00:47:49.810 --> 00:47:54.570 Like Musk clearly did not want the tariffs and he was vocal about it and was 00:47:54.570 --> 00:48:00.070 talking about how stupid Navarro was and how he hoped President Trump would 00:48:00.070 --> 00:48:02.770 reconsider and all this kind of stuff. 00:48:02.990 --> 00:48:05.150 But that was not the only one. 00:48:05.410 --> 00:48:12.750 This was something that clearly was producing divisions within the administration 00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:15.430 between the people who were like, trust Trump, 00:48:15.710 --> 00:48:22.130 which was the official line, versus people who were like, I'm not so sure about this. 00:48:23.610 --> 00:48:27.490 And then we have this further back off on electronics and then the reversal 00:48:27.490 --> 00:48:30.330 of that from the Sunday morning shows that I mentioned right before playing 00:48:30.330 --> 00:48:32.690 the Yvonne clip that those might be back, 00:48:34.120 --> 00:48:41.160 Which leads to Yvonne's comment about, look, we had a relief rally when some 00:48:41.160 --> 00:48:45.760 of these things were backed off, but then things started going down again in the markets. 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:53.220 And as he said, the bond markets have still been acting weird because completely 00:48:53.220 --> 00:49:02.240 aside from the specific tariff policies that are being put on, taken off, 00:49:02.680 --> 00:49:11.140 put on, taken off, adjusted, the point is the unpredictability and the lack 00:49:11.140 --> 00:49:13.600 of a coherent plan that anyone can discern. 00:49:13.600 --> 00:49:19.520 Like, I've listened to a bunch of people, you know, financial expert type folks 00:49:19.520 --> 00:49:21.500 being interviewed about this. 00:49:21.640 --> 00:49:30.620 And as far as I can tell, even on the otherwise Trump supporting side of things. 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:41.860 Nobody can articulate a coherent, workable plan for what they're really trying to accomplish. 00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:47.960 And how it will be accomplished and what kind of timeframes it will be accomplished 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.900 in and how, you know, how this would all work. 00:49:53.020 --> 00:49:56.920 I mean, as Yvonne and I mentioned before, like, okay, look, they keep talking 00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.000 about reshoring various manufacturing. 00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:03.480 Now there's some problematic things about how, even if you do that, 00:50:03.640 --> 00:50:10.640 you're potentially replacing, you know, high skill, high-paid jobs with lower-skill 00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:13.620 low-payer jobs, which is that what you really want to do. 00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:17.340 But assuming you want to do that, there's still the question of, 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.340 okay, if we're going to build up. 00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:29.840 American manufacturing capabilities again and try to bring them back to how 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.160 they were 50 years ago or 100 years ago or whatever the goal is. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.260 The tariffs aren't enough, especially erratic tariffs like this, 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.420 because at the bare minimum, 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:47.680 you have to convince companies to undergo this long-term investment to turn 00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:52.100 that ship around and say, okay, I guess the international investments aren't 00:50:52.100 --> 00:50:53.920 coming back. We're going to have to do something. 00:50:54.340 --> 00:51:00.080 Maybe there's an opportunity here. but we're talking years and years of investments 00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:04.000 to build factories and set that up and get that moving and figure out what's 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:08.900 going on and you know huge dollar amounts associated with that too, 00:51:09.580 --> 00:51:14.540 so certainly no one's going to do it if they don't believe that what's going 00:51:14.540 --> 00:51:19.400 on is going to last more than a few days before it changes again it has to be 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:24.000 not it has to be stable on the time frame of years, 00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:29.240 maybe decades, like for them to really, really and truly believe it. 00:51:29.500 --> 00:51:35.320 Or there has to be substantial governmental guidance and funding and all this 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.120 other stuff to sort of kickstart it. 00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:42.420 And there's absolutely no interest from the Trump administration on doing that kind of stuff. 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.060 You know, and they're dismantling the kind of thing, the things along those 00:51:47.060 --> 00:51:55.940 lines that were already in place under the previous administrations as so how how is instead. 00:51:56.640 --> 00:51:59.740 You're you're just threatening the price increases and 00:51:59.740 --> 00:52:02.780 that's it and you're not even threatening 00:52:02.780 --> 00:52:10.220 that consistently because of all you know all of the back and forth and there'll 00:52:10.220 --> 00:52:14.560 be a delay and then we'll figure this out and then it'll be back and then nobody 00:52:14.560 --> 00:52:20.820 knows what to believe other than this is uncertain and this is bad. 00:52:22.070 --> 00:52:27.950 And so, yeah, we're still way, the market's still way down from where it was. 00:52:28.370 --> 00:52:30.310 Consumer sentiment is plummeting. 00:52:30.930 --> 00:52:34.430 Expectation of inflation is rising rapidly. 00:52:35.390 --> 00:52:40.010 You know, Yvonne had mentioned that within a few weeks, we should actually start 00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:43.930 seeing the inflation in our day-to-day lives when we go to the store. 00:52:45.330 --> 00:52:52.250 The back-off this week may delay how obvious that is or when that is to some degree. 00:52:52.510 --> 00:52:55.850 And maybe he ends up delaying it indefinitely. 00:52:56.090 --> 00:53:00.910 And so he freaked out the Wall Street people, but Main Street's not going to 00:53:00.910 --> 00:53:03.090 see the effects right away. Maybe. 00:53:03.750 --> 00:53:07.910 But these things have a tendency to get out of control. 00:53:09.670 --> 00:53:14.650 And so we'll see. Tariffs are still up. from where they were. 00:53:15.010 --> 00:53:19.030 They're just not catastrophically up now that he's backed off. 00:53:19.390 --> 00:53:24.950 And even with China, even with China, with the additional back off of consumer 00:53:24.950 --> 00:53:31.570 electronics, this will be less impactful. I'm not going to say not impactful. 00:53:31.810 --> 00:53:37.510 Like there's a lot of things that China puts out there that are not consumer electronics. 00:53:38.190 --> 00:53:43.090 And there was actually a good table. I shared it on our curmudgeons corner Slack I'll see you next time. 00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:48.010 But let's see if I can get you guys a reference to it. 00:53:51.390 --> 00:53:56.670 Okay, this was from the New York Times. Published on April 12th, 00:53:56.770 --> 00:53:58.210 or updated on April 12th anyway. 00:53:58.650 --> 00:54:02.770 How much are tariffs on Chinese goods? It's trickier than you think. 00:54:03.510 --> 00:54:07.210 Because everybody keeps talking about a top-line number. you know, 00:54:07.370 --> 00:54:14.830 with it's going to be, you know, 145% tariffs or whatever on, on China. 00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:21.250 But in fact, it's, I mean, first you said 125, then 145, then it all, 00:54:21.710 --> 00:54:25.170 because people were trying to figure out how to add up the previous tariffs 00:54:25.170 --> 00:54:26.610 and the new tariffs and whatever. 00:54:26.930 --> 00:54:30.650 Anyway, but it's actually more complicated because it's different depending 00:54:30.650 --> 00:54:35.630 on which goods you're talking about and their components of it. 00:54:36.030 --> 00:54:39.810 This New York Times article breaks it down. Look, there's a standard base rate. 00:54:40.250 --> 00:54:45.410 Apparently, there's a 3.4% average, again, depending on the type of goods. 00:54:45.590 --> 00:54:53.410 So there's a base rate that was already in place worldwide before Donald Trump's second term. 00:54:53.650 --> 00:55:00.970 There were some pre-2025 term tariffs, some of which were introduced by Trump and kept on by Biden. 00:55:01.110 --> 00:55:05.770 Some were even increased by Biden that vary based on product, country, etc. 00:55:06.470 --> 00:55:13.010 And then even within Trump's term so far, there's different sets of tariffs. 00:55:13.290 --> 00:55:18.330 He's done tariffs on steel, tariffs on aluminum, tariffs on car parts. 00:55:18.550 --> 00:55:25.070 Then we had the fentanyl tariffs, and then finally the reciprocal tariffs. 00:55:25.290 --> 00:55:28.750 And they're all different, and they're all different by country, 00:55:28.790 --> 00:55:31.310 and they're all different buy type of goods. 00:55:31.530 --> 00:55:35.770 So specifically on China, this article points out that the range, 00:55:35.970 --> 00:55:41.870 apparently the highest tariffs out there are on syringes and needles from China. 00:55:43.710 --> 00:55:51.650 And the total of all of those things is a 245% tariff on syringes and needles 00:55:51.650 --> 00:55:52.970 from China, apparently. 00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:58.210 Going down some of the list, lithium-ion batteries, 173%. 00:55:58.210 --> 00:56:04.290 Squid, 170%. Wool sweaters, 169%. 00:56:04.290 --> 00:56:08.830 Plastic dishes, 159%. And then there's a whole bunch of other things. 00:56:08.830 --> 00:56:12.050 And goes down at the bottom few metal furniture 00:56:12.050 --> 00:56:15.130 70 percent door hinges 00:56:15.130 --> 00:56:19.110 for cars 67 percent laptops 00:56:19.110 --> 00:56:26.010 only 20 percent and apparently children's books zero percent apparently and 00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:31.750 i did not know this but like most children's books sold in the united states 00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:36.750 are imports from china who knew i guess if you're in the children's books industry 00:56:36.750 --> 00:56:38.290 you probably knew or if you, 00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:44.190 have a child and have taken the time to read the front of the book where it 00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:49.170 gives you all that information maybe you do i didn't know but apparently there's 00:56:49.170 --> 00:56:53.050 an exemption for educational materials and children's books falls in that category 00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:56.570 and zero percent on those but. 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:04.440 Here's the thing like electronics i i was worried i am hanging on to a really old, 00:57:05.240 --> 00:57:11.340 iphone 12 pro max i've mentioned this on the show before last couple of cycles. 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.600 Is is the new phone that's out there significantly 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:19.180 nicer than my current phone yes is it 00:57:19.180 --> 00:57:22.440 old enough to upgrade absolutely they're on the 16s 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.600 now this is a 12 that's four cycles old i used 00:57:25.600 --> 00:57:28.880 to update every two or three right originally 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.740 it was every other i i got every other then i sort of 00:57:31.740 --> 00:57:34.820 expanded to three and then this one stretched to four 00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:37.980 now it's getting up to you know if i 00:57:37.980 --> 00:57:41.580 wait till the 17 it'll be five years because i. 00:57:41.580 --> 00:57:45.500 Keep telling myself well it's it's it's working it's it's 00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:48.600 doing everything i need it to i i don't really 00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:51.520 have a justification to replace it like unless it 00:57:51.520 --> 00:57:54.260 breaks but i was 00:57:54.260 --> 00:57:57.200 still thinking five years is a long time 00:57:57.200 --> 00:58:00.200 when the 17s come around i'll get 00:58:00.200 --> 00:58:03.520 a new one because it is feeling a 00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:07.000 little slow now a little sluggish there's some 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.320 like i've been like minecraft over the 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.540 last couple weeks has had a special event associated 00:58:13.540 --> 00:58:16.360 with the movie and so alex has been asking me 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.280 to play along with him and i have been and i've noticed 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.680 i've been like it's been a little sluggish the the 00:58:22.680 --> 00:58:25.540 latest versions of minecraft on this thing compared to 00:58:25.540 --> 00:58:29.400 how he has it on you know so i'm 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.580 like okay mate you know seven and and 00:58:32.580 --> 00:58:37.360 i was thinking like have i made a mistake in waiting for the 17s because if 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:43.140 if the full weight and force of all these chinese tariffs come on you know am 00:58:43.140 --> 00:58:47.840 i going to be talking double the price for an iphone maybe i should rush out 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.760 and get a 16 now before that happens. 00:58:51.680 --> 00:58:56.620 And then, you know, they've been exempted. Well, I mean, it's still going to, 00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:01.720 apparently, things like smartphones are still on the hook for a 20% tariff from 00:59:01.720 --> 00:59:05.180 the fentanyl stuff, but not the others anymore. 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.460 At least until maybe they bring them back in a month from now. 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:12.820 So I'm like, okay, I don't have to rush out and get that 16. 00:59:13.060 --> 00:59:18.480 I can stick to my plan, replace it when it breaks and or when the 17s come out. 00:59:20.180 --> 00:59:23.640 But there's lots of other stuff too you know 00:59:23.640 --> 00:59:29.680 we we we get get lots of stuff from china i i don't know if you folks have noticed 00:59:29.680 --> 00:59:37.140 we get lots of stuff from china i i i once remember people pointing out and 00:59:37.140 --> 00:59:41.460 and maybe it i'm sure it was slightly exaggerated but they basically said look, 00:59:42.100 --> 00:59:48.320 everything walmart sells is from china that's the secret to their pricing you know their, 00:59:49.020 --> 00:59:53.980 So this is going to still affect people, but maybe less than it was, 00:59:54.060 --> 00:59:55.840 and maybe there'll be more backing off. 00:59:56.720 --> 00:59:59.940 I i think the key is you know yvonne mentioned 00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:02.760 what's the breaking point and i think 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:10.280 the important part to remember here is i think trump himself breaks and backs 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:18.660 off before things get to the point where anyone else would break against him 01:00:18.660 --> 01:00:21.880 you know we were sort of talking in the context of like, 01:00:22.140 --> 01:00:29.280 okay, when will Congress have had enough and we get enough Republican senators and representatives, 01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:35.780 including the leadership in both of those bodies for them to actually overtly 01:00:35.780 --> 01:00:40.980 go against Donald Trump and do something like restrict his powers on tariffs or something. 01:00:41.660 --> 01:00:51.380 The answer is it would have to be so incredibly disastrously bad that they felt 01:00:51.380 --> 01:00:53.860 there absolutely was no other choice. 01:00:54.060 --> 01:00:57.300 And they were not just ditching Donald Trump over this one issue. 01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.100 They were ditching him over everything. 01:00:59.620 --> 01:01:05.340 In that kind of scenario, maybe we are also talking like Vance in the cabinet 01:01:05.340 --> 01:01:07.060 trying to do the 25th or something. 01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:12.920 But in that scenario, or impeachment into Congress with Republicans on board. 01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:17.800 But like, honestly, I can't really imagine those scenarios. 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:27.420 Congress has been like, congressional Republicans gave up a long time ago. They made their deal. 01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:37.160 And then we've had more elections where more intensely MAGA politicians have 01:01:37.160 --> 01:01:39.440 been elected over the last eight years. 01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:45.380 So that's going to be hard. The cabinet was chosen completely based on loyalty. 01:01:46.790 --> 01:01:51.830 And so, yeah, no, no. But what I think would happen is if you even started seeing 01:01:51.830 --> 01:01:55.830 things tilting in that direction, Donald Trump himself backs off. 01:01:55.990 --> 01:01:58.170 And that's exactly what happened this last week. 01:01:58.630 --> 01:02:03.790 You had a number of congressional Republicans signing on and saying, 01:02:03.930 --> 01:02:08.710 yes, they would support legislation restricting presidential power around tariffs. 01:02:09.490 --> 01:02:16.550 It wasn't enough yet to actually move anything, but it was non-zero. There were a handful. 01:02:17.430 --> 01:02:21.990 And they were speaking out about it. And there were even more that were publicly 01:02:21.990 --> 01:02:26.130 expressing their uncertainty about what was going on. 01:02:27.070 --> 01:02:32.490 And then you had the bond stuff that Donald Trump, Donald Trump, 01:02:32.690 --> 01:02:33.930 that, that Yvonne mentioned. 01:02:34.650 --> 01:02:40.070 And you had more and more indications that all of the economic indicators were 01:02:40.070 --> 01:02:46.230 going bad fast. I heard someone say, Donald Trump is okay with a recession. 01:02:46.390 --> 01:02:51.490 He thinks maybe a recession is okay, and that we can do that, 01:02:51.590 --> 01:02:53.550 and he can move on beyond that, 01:02:53.690 --> 01:02:59.630 and that maybe it's even necessary to accomplish his goals, but that he's not 01:02:59.630 --> 01:03:01.610 okay with the depression. 01:03:02.990 --> 01:03:05.910 And of course it's a fuzzy boundary between 01:03:05.910 --> 01:03:09.030 the terms but basically there's a difference between 01:03:09.030 --> 01:03:13.430 hey we're going to have some economic 01:03:13.430 --> 01:03:16.510 times that are a little bit rougher than we would like for a couple quarters and 01:03:16.510 --> 01:03:19.950 then we're going to bounce back versus you send 01:03:19.950 --> 01:03:23.630 the entire country into an economic spiral where there's 01:03:23.630 --> 01:03:27.990 mass destruction and it lasts years and 01:03:27.990 --> 01:03:30.990 so donald got scared donald backed off 01:03:30.990 --> 01:03:34.650 apparently he's you know wasn't 01:03:34.650 --> 01:03:37.690 done backing off because a few days later there was the electronics thing 01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:40.490 and i just saw a note too 01:03:40.490 --> 01:03:44.570 that you know the headline was the electronics but apparently there's more to 01:03:44.570 --> 01:03:49.330 it than that and there's maybe some additional back off in other areas too yeah 01:03:49.330 --> 01:03:57.230 and maybe don't maybe he wasn't expecting all of these effects he made some 01:03:57.230 --> 01:03:58.970 comments about, I forget the word he used. 01:03:59.010 --> 01:04:03.690 It was a funny, unusual word about how people were getting queasy about things 01:04:03.690 --> 01:04:06.730 and how people were reacting to this. 01:04:06.830 --> 01:04:09.870 And so he had to back off a little bit. He actually admitted that he had to 01:04:09.870 --> 01:04:13.250 back off because people were reacting to it in a bad way. 01:04:14.330 --> 01:04:22.250 And I think that's important. I mean, it does indicate that there is still some degree of, 01:04:22.990 --> 01:04:32.490 okay, Donald Trump will react to the public and the markets thinking that what he's doing is bad. 01:04:32.710 --> 01:04:38.330 And that's why you had that sort of relief rally when that was first announced. 01:04:39.630 --> 01:04:45.110 It's good that there is that reaction. It's better than a president who will 01:04:45.110 --> 01:04:50.430 continue on no matter what as the country descends into chaos, 01:04:50.430 --> 01:04:52.950 but only a little better. 01:04:54.130 --> 01:04:59.230 Because we still know he's erratic. We still know that all of this, 01:04:59.890 --> 01:05:03.070 you can't, there is no certainty. 01:05:03.070 --> 01:05:07.670 The things that are missing here are, A, 01:05:08.130 --> 01:05:15.330 no sense that this is actually part of a coherent plan that would work, and two, 01:05:15.550 --> 01:05:23.270 no sense that there'll be any stability that it won't be something completely 01:05:23.270 --> 01:05:27.050 different in five minutes or a week or a month. 01:05:27.050 --> 01:05:31.410 So you can't plan on anything because it 01:05:31.410 --> 01:05:35.570 always seems like and like you know the markets 01:05:35.570 --> 01:05:42.530 were apparently finally learning this lesson this last week or two but this 01:05:42.530 --> 01:05:48.270 has been the case in all of the other policy areas since inauguration day i 01:05:48.270 --> 01:05:52.890 mean hell last term too this is it's all brand new. 01:05:53.110 --> 01:05:58.050 It seems to be intensified this time, but everything just seems to be, 01:05:58.230 --> 01:06:02.450 what's Donald Trump feel like doing today? What are his whims? 01:06:03.330 --> 01:06:08.230 In his last administration, we had the adults in the room trying to slow things 01:06:08.230 --> 01:06:10.030 down. This time, we really don't. 01:06:10.430 --> 01:06:14.470 Donald Trump wakes up in the morning, decides he's going to do something crazy, 01:06:14.470 --> 01:06:17.310 and there's executive orders on the table 01:06:17.310 --> 01:06:20.870 that afternoon around the crazy thing and 01:06:20.870 --> 01:06:23.790 then it happens and then there's reaction to 01:06:23.790 --> 01:06:26.670 it and then if the reaction is bad maybe he 01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:29.550 drops maybe maybe he backs off maybe 01:06:29.550 --> 01:06:33.710 he changes it maybe he adjusts it maybe he doesn't but it all depends on what 01:06:33.710 --> 01:06:38.070 he feels like that moment and as usual who's the last people that were talking 01:06:38.070 --> 01:06:49.010 in his ear very chaotic very unpredictable which results in typically very negative results in the end. 01:06:50.230 --> 01:06:55.230 And frankly, it's like, you know, for the most part, I think the things that 01:06:55.230 --> 01:06:58.470 Donald Trump wants to do are bad anyway. 01:07:00.310 --> 01:07:05.750 But frankly, even if we had in place somebody who I agreed with on everything 01:07:05.750 --> 01:07:09.350 policy-wise, this kind of chaos would still be negative. 01:07:10.640 --> 01:07:16.800 Add to it that everything he wants practically is bad to begin with, 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.120 and it makes it so much worse. 01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:21.180 But anyway, I think that's enough on that. 01:07:22.080 --> 01:07:25.460 I'm going to take another break. Break, break, break, break, 01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:27.700 break, break, break, break, break, break, break. 01:07:28.520 --> 01:07:32.320 And then when we come back, I will talk about something else. 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:36.080 I think, you know, that's my list. 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:39.740 I mean, I'm going to leave it open a little bit because, you know. 01:07:40.700 --> 01:07:46.020 Something new may come up while I'm taking this break since I'm going to go off and do other things. 01:07:46.200 --> 01:07:52.060 I'm, I'm, I'm going down, I'm traveling to Olympia to visit my wife for lunch 01:07:52.060 --> 01:07:54.500 and to sign some papers we need to sign on something. 01:07:55.460 --> 01:08:00.380 And so I'll, I'll be gone quite a few hours before the next version of this. 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.280 So who knows, there could be like big breaking news to talk about 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.880 that does everything but my my 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.520 gut right now is that what i will want to talk about is 01:08:10.520 --> 01:08:14.060 the court case with that guy who 01:08:14.060 --> 01:08:17.640 was mistakenly sent to el salvador the supreme court 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:23.540 ruled on that the administration is still hemming and hawing about trying to 01:08:23.540 --> 01:08:28.780 get him back and that leads more generally into conversations about trump versus 01:08:28.780 --> 01:08:35.160 the courts and all of this kind of stuff and And it leads into the conversation 01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:37.380 about sort of people being disappeared in general. 01:08:37.700 --> 01:08:39.940 So that's probably going to be my next topic. 01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:46.520 Absent major breaking news or something else just coming up that's not major, 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:48.120 but I decide I want to talk about it. 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:53.860 But you will know in minutes. I won't know for hours, at least. 01:08:53.860 --> 01:09:06.100 Anyway here's another breaky break break break thing break break break go blah blah blah break, 01:09:44.180 --> 01:09:48.980 And we are back and it is hours later, as I said, it would be, 01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:55.180 and I'm still behind on all the other stuff I need to get done tonight in my, 01:09:55.360 --> 01:10:02.600 it's, it's, it's now Monday UTC just after four and to, and here in the Seattle 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.000 area, that means it's just after 9.00 PM on Sunday evening. 01:10:07.400 --> 01:10:10.280 And aside from the before I go 01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:13.100 to bed tonight I've got some stuff for work I got 01:10:13.100 --> 01:10:16.020 to get done and I've got to get this podcast 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:18.680 done and out the door and I'm running out of 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.660 hours and so I'm getting stressed about 01:10:21.660 --> 01:10:24.660 it so so do I dare say 01:10:24.660 --> 01:10:28.000 I'm going to try to wrap this up shortly and not 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.980 like talk for a long time because whenever I say that 01:10:30.980 --> 01:10:34.240 I end up talking even longer and that's probably not 01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:38.860 what i want to be doing anyway we 01:10:38.860 --> 01:10:41.820 are not nothing else breaking news came 01:10:41.820 --> 01:10:46.200 up so i'm going to talk about what i said i was going to talk about which is 01:10:46.200 --> 01:10:55.480 the case of let's see what's tilmar armando abrigo garcia is the guy's name 01:10:55.480 --> 01:11:00.880 i looked it up to to be sure that i got it right Because usually I would just say the guy, 01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:03.720 because I am so bad at names. 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:08.960 Anyway, he was mistakenly removed. 01:11:09.620 --> 01:11:14.660 I'm not even going to say deported, because as many people have pointed out, that implies a process. 01:11:15.080 --> 01:11:20.940 He was removed to the prison in El Salvador, which even the government admits 01:11:20.940 --> 01:11:27.600 was a mistake, because there was a judge's order saying, no, 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:28.780 he should not be removed. 01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:35.420 Now, the latest filing has them, DOJ is sort of being like, well, 01:11:35.620 --> 01:11:39.380 yeah, but there was that order, but we don't think it was valid anymore, blah, blah, blah. 01:11:40.440 --> 01:11:42.960 Bottom line, here's the thing here. 01:11:44.580 --> 01:11:49.440 DOJ, they picked the guy up, they stuck him on a plane, they sent him to El Salvador. 01:11:50.120 --> 01:11:53.660 Then they're like, oops, apparently we shouldn't have done that. 01:11:55.020 --> 01:12:00.040 And then, of course, we got lawsuits going back and forth. 01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:06.000 The judge was basically like, bring him back. And they appealed that. 01:12:06.140 --> 01:12:08.100 They said, well, he's not ours anymore. 01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:12.420 You know, this went all the way up to SCOTUS. 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:21.920 SCOTUS responded, basically saying, yeah, you got to do what the lower court judge said. 01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:27.360 Sort of. There were some questions about wording. 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:32.440 The original judge said, effectuate the return. 01:12:33.340 --> 01:12:35.980 And SCOTUS basically sent it 01:12:35.980 --> 01:12:40.180 back and was like, well, you have to specify what you mean by effectuate. 01:12:41.110 --> 01:12:46.690 And, you know, and they use the word facilitate in their own order, 01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:50.610 like facilitate the return. So what the hell does that really mean? 01:12:51.290 --> 01:12:53.810 So they remanded it back to the lower court. 01:12:55.670 --> 01:13:02.210 And then, you know, the judge is like, hey, tell me what you have done. 01:13:02.210 --> 01:13:06.210 Because before this order was stayed, he'd already made an order that they needed 01:13:06.210 --> 01:13:10.130 to do what they had in their ability to get this guy back. 01:13:10.670 --> 01:13:16.710 And so he just wanted a status on where is the guy and what have you done so far? 01:13:17.310 --> 01:13:21.630 And when this first went back, they're like, we don't know. We have no information. 01:13:22.050 --> 01:13:23.590 We have no information at all. 01:13:25.090 --> 01:13:28.490 The judge was really pissed by this. 01:13:29.390 --> 01:13:33.130 The DOJ was like, hey, we'll give you an update Tuesday. 01:13:33.710 --> 01:13:39.150 The judge is like, no, I want an update every single day before 5 p.m. 01:13:39.150 --> 01:13:41.190 Every single day, over the weekend, etc. 01:13:41.970 --> 01:13:43.610 Tell us what's going on. 01:13:45.450 --> 01:13:49.130 Basically, I expect to see some motion here. 01:13:49.730 --> 01:13:56.350 So the government's first update on Saturday basically said, 01:13:56.550 --> 01:14:01.970 we've confirmed the guy is alive and at that prison. And that's basically all it said. 01:14:02.270 --> 01:14:05.430 Nothing about anything they're doing, nothing like that. 01:14:06.070 --> 01:14:13.850 Their update Sunday basically said we have no update beyond what we had yesterday. 01:14:14.650 --> 01:14:21.050 The point eight of it, I'm looking at the legal document that was filed. 01:14:21.770 --> 01:14:26.450 I have reviewed the declaration of Mr. Michael Kozak, which was filed in this 01:14:26.450 --> 01:14:28.670 case yesterday, April 12, 2025. 01:14:29.490 --> 01:14:32.970 It is my understanding that defendants have no updates for the court beyond 01:14:32.970 --> 01:14:34.130 what was provided yesterday. 01:14:34.910 --> 01:14:39.150 As I said, though, they put in some caveats. Section 7 here. 01:14:39.530 --> 01:14:44.470 On March 15, 2025, Abrego Garcia, a native and citizen of El Salvador, 01:14:44.950 --> 01:14:49.670 was removed to El Salvador pursuant to Title VIII of the United States Code. 01:14:50.150 --> 01:14:55.050 Although Abrego Garcia has an order of removal issued by an immigration judge, 01:14:55.290 --> 01:14:59.550 I understand that he should not have been removed to El Salvador because the 01:14:59.550 --> 01:15:05.790 immigration judge, had also granted Abrego Garcia withholding of removal to El Salvador. 01:15:06.110 --> 01:15:12.470 However, I also understand that Abrego Garcia is no longer eligible for withholding 01:15:12.470 --> 01:15:17.810 of removal because of his membership in MS-13, which is now a designated foreign 01:15:17.810 --> 01:15:19.230 terrorist organization. 01:15:20.970 --> 01:15:30.130 And apparently there was proceedings in 2019 where an immigration judge upheld 01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:35.810 a decision not to grant bond because of a determination about MS-13. Yeah. 01:15:36.420 --> 01:15:44.780 His current lawyers say he absolutely had no involvement with MS-13 or any of these other gangs, etc. 01:15:45.160 --> 01:15:50.840 The authority they supposedly pulled him over wasn't MS-13 related anyway, 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:59.100 but I think the current judge has asked for some evidence and none has been supplied so far. 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:11.040 So anyway, the key here is they, look, SCOTUS, the ruling was nine to zero. It was unanimous. 01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:17.480 So a lot of the early coverage was about how, look, this is SCOTUS slapping this down. 01:16:17.660 --> 01:16:21.720 This cannot happen. This is not okay. They have to do something about it. 01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:25.960 As additional people looked at it more carefully, they started to say, 01:16:26.100 --> 01:16:30.040 okay, but some of the language here is wishy-washy. 01:16:30.160 --> 01:16:35.940 This allows a whole bunch of areas where the government can equivocate. 01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:40.360 It isn't directly demanding, bring this guy back. 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:49.320 There's lots of wiggle room still left. And so there are a lot of things the government could do. 01:16:50.280 --> 01:16:53.620 And so far, they've been stalling. 01:16:54.180 --> 01:17:01.760 So people have said, like, is this the one, is this the one where the Trump 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:06.560 administration will decide to directly violate a Supreme Court order? 01:17:07.140 --> 01:17:12.580 And it looks like, no, probably not. 01:17:13.200 --> 01:17:19.400 You know, because SCOTUS has given them wiggle room. 01:17:19.460 --> 01:17:23.000 It's given them wiggle room in interpretation of exactly what they said. 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:27.540 It's given them a process that may take time. So they'll have time to go back 01:17:27.540 --> 01:17:30.480 and forth and back and forth and probably back up to SCOTUS again. 01:17:30.820 --> 01:17:34.320 If the judge decides to hold them in contempt, that'll get appealed, 01:17:34.440 --> 01:17:38.540 that'll go up, you know, and so not yet. 01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:45.440 And also this is one where, you know, well, in a normal administration, 01:17:45.440 --> 01:17:49.180 they would probably decide, you know, this isn't the one to fight. 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.380 Like we admit it, There was a mistake that was sort of admitted. 01:17:54.140 --> 01:17:58.580 Yeah, this isn't one of the ones where they're like, yeah, we definitely want whatever. 01:17:59.180 --> 01:18:03.700 There was an admitted mistake, like go to the bat on one where there is no admitted 01:18:03.700 --> 01:18:06.980 mistake. And it's just a question of what's the president's authority. 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.080 But we shall see. It's still playing out. 01:18:12.070 --> 01:18:15.990 And the key to all of these, 01:18:16.210 --> 01:18:19.670 because there was also a set where the 01:18:19.670 --> 01:18:29.650 more general evacuation of mostly Venezuelans based on this emergency authority 01:18:29.650 --> 01:18:36.630 thing that the president is claiming there is an invasion by this gang, 01:18:36.910 --> 01:18:41.370 not MS-13, but the other one, I forget the name, whatever. Yeah. 01:18:42.070 --> 01:18:49.230 The courts did say that for these removals, you have to give notice and you 01:18:49.230 --> 01:18:55.230 have to give them a chance to file, you know, do a habeas appeal. 01:18:55.550 --> 01:19:00.490 And there's, sorry, there's so many of these. And I may be getting some of them mungled together. 01:19:00.670 --> 01:19:03.690 You've got the Venezuelan gang removals. 01:19:04.030 --> 01:19:07.530 You've got this one guy who was sent by mistake to El Salvador. 01:19:07.530 --> 01:19:12.950 You've also got these miscellaneous random people who are being, 01:19:13.290 --> 01:19:15.450 who are getting their visas revoked. 01:19:15.570 --> 01:19:20.930 Like there was that graduate student whose visa was revoked and she is now in 01:19:20.930 --> 01:19:26.050 detention in like Louisiana or somewhere because apparently, 01:19:26.330 --> 01:19:29.550 you know, and they're not giving lots of information on why. 01:19:29.550 --> 01:19:38.770 But the only thing people can find is she signed on to a pro-Palestinian, not pro-Hamas, 01:19:39.310 --> 01:19:45.890 pro-Palestinian, anti-the-way the Israelis were handling their policies. 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:53.680 Incursion into gaza editorial in the school newspaper and she was she was removed as well. 01:19:54.700 --> 01:19:57.540 So far we do have scoda saying look there has to 01:19:57.540 --> 01:20:00.120 be some ability to you know 01:20:00.120 --> 01:20:04.300 for these people to file their habeas petitions and 01:20:04.300 --> 01:20:07.260 there needs to be a process there needs to be notification they 01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:10.340 need for the visa removals there needs to be notification you 01:20:10.340 --> 01:20:14.180 can't just like the the one grad student they 01:20:14.180 --> 01:20:17.480 revoked the visa but didn't tell her and then 01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:21.020 just yanked her off the streets like there 01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:25.420 are other people who are getting notified like if your visa is revoked and you're 01:20:25.420 --> 01:20:29.520 given like 10 days to leave the country or whatever then at the very least you 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:35.040 have the opportunity to actually leave the country under your own power you 01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:39.940 know put your affairs in order buy a plane ticket go home, 01:20:40.580 --> 01:20:44.360 You know, I say that like it's easy. It sometimes might not be. 01:20:44.540 --> 01:20:51.420 But in the case of like, you know, a graduate student who is here for school, it might be possible. 01:20:51.700 --> 01:20:54.700 It's not going to be good. It's not going to be what they planned for. 01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.580 It's not going to be what they wanted, but at least something, right? 01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:04.860 But in every one of these rulings that's gone to SCOTUS so far, 01:21:05.040 --> 01:21:07.180 from what I understand, they've done the same thing. 01:21:07.700 --> 01:21:12.880 They've done these sort of, Even when they're ruling against the administration, 01:21:13.540 --> 01:21:19.140 they are ruling against the administration in a way that still gives a lot of 01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:28.440 wiggle room, doesn't give the people who are targets of these things a whole lot of options. 01:21:28.440 --> 01:21:35.120 Like even in the Habeas case, for instance, they ruled that they have to make 01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:38.840 the appeal in the jurisdiction where they've been taken. 01:21:38.980 --> 01:21:44.620 And the administration is intentionally taking them to facilities in jurisdictions 01:21:44.620 --> 01:21:48.900 that are less friendly to those kinds of appeals. 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:58.340 And they're not necessarily requiring like timeframes and things like that. 01:21:58.480 --> 01:22:02.000 So like there's the possibility that like, you know, someone gets picked up 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:08.920 and yes, they have the right to do the petition, but it's not a requirement. 01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:10.900 So they have to know they have the right. 01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:15.940 They have to find a lawyer who will do it for them and have to do this quickly. 01:22:15.940 --> 01:22:22.240 And so there are a lot of wiggle room. 01:22:22.360 --> 01:22:24.680 There's lots of wiggle room. That's the right way to say it. 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.860 So they're ruling against the administration, but they're trying. 01:22:29.860 --> 01:22:33.360 It seems very clear to me that 01:22:33.360 --> 01:22:40.280 Roberts and a couple other of the conservative Supreme Court justices are very 01:22:40.280 --> 01:22:47.420 much trying to avoid the possibility of actually getting to that confrontation 01:22:47.420 --> 01:22:50.860 where they flat out tell Donald Trump, 01:22:51.180 --> 01:22:57.020 no, you may not do this at all. undo what you have done. 01:22:57.400 --> 01:23:02.020 Because, of course, there's always the possibility that Donald Trump and his 01:23:02.020 --> 01:23:06.280 administration will just decide that now is the time to ignore it. 01:23:06.820 --> 01:23:10.020 So they're trying in all of these 01:23:10.020 --> 01:23:15.320 rulings to provide enough 01:23:15.320 --> 01:23:19.460 leeway so that the 01:23:19.460 --> 01:23:23.220 process can be kicked a little further down the road so 01:23:23.220 --> 01:23:26.900 that more loopholes can be found so 01:23:26.900 --> 01:23:30.460 they can at least delay that final 01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:37.780 confrontation where they might push donald trump into a corner and on this one 01:23:37.780 --> 01:23:44.920 with the guy whose name i've already forgotten so you have it up kilmara garcia 01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:47.620 skipping the names in the middle for now. 01:23:49.050 --> 01:23:52.390 It, you know, this is one case where it, 01:23:52.410 --> 01:23:59.890 it was nine to zero, but I've seen a lot of speculation that this was probably 01:23:59.890 --> 01:24:05.750 sort of a heavily negotiated nine to zero position. It was, it was released unsigned. 01:24:06.330 --> 01:24:13.030 So it's not actually like, you know, they have the option of signing them and producing. 01:24:13.330 --> 01:24:19.990 And as an unsigned, there's the possibility that nobody wanted to go on the 01:24:19.990 --> 01:24:25.510 record objecting, but they were willing to sort of go along with it. 01:24:25.510 --> 01:24:32.050 And so the speculation is that John Roberts basically negotiated a back and forth and was like, 01:24:32.290 --> 01:24:40.610 how can we soften this enough so that even Thomas and Alito are willing to let this go out? 01:24:41.090 --> 01:24:45.250 And so you ended up with what you had rather than something that could have been stronger. 01:24:45.390 --> 01:24:55.290 And again, all in terms of avoiding that final confrontation where you push the issue completely. 01:24:55.510 --> 01:24:59.270 Or, you know, avoiding at least delaying. 01:24:59.630 --> 01:25:02.950 It seems like eventually you're going to get there. Now, the other thing they 01:25:02.950 --> 01:25:09.490 could slap them down for, by the way, is the president's supposed to obey the lower courts, too. 01:25:10.490 --> 01:25:14.890 If you have an issue, appeal it. But in the meantime, you're supposed to be obeying them. 01:25:15.090 --> 01:25:18.110 And in this particular example, I mean, one of the reasons, 01:25:18.530 --> 01:25:24.230 you know, the lawyers for Garcia have officially put in their notice that they 01:25:24.230 --> 01:25:31.250 want to have the judge ask DOJ why they shouldn't be held in contempt, 01:25:31.250 --> 01:25:33.570 because from everything we can see, 01:25:33.810 --> 01:25:37.330 they have been ignoring that judge's orders. 01:25:37.970 --> 01:25:43.530 Even in the time period before there was a stay or whatever, 01:25:43.930 --> 01:25:46.530 they're different terms at different 01:25:46.530 --> 01:25:49.150 stages of the process, and I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know them. 01:25:49.830 --> 01:25:54.590 But there was a period of time when the order was in effect before it was appealed, 01:25:54.770 --> 01:25:59.530 before it was stayed, where, you know, the judge had said, bring him back. 01:26:01.590 --> 01:26:08.130 And, you know, one of the things SCOTUS could have done here or in some of these 01:26:08.130 --> 01:26:16.650 other cases is slapped the government for not obeying the lower courts while this was under appeal. 01:26:16.650 --> 01:26:19.690 And I think this applies to some of the other cases too. 01:26:19.970 --> 01:26:29.290 They've been, they've been sort of the DOJ's approach has been to sort of. 01:26:30.730 --> 01:26:36.870 Do things that could reasonably be interpreted as ignoring judicial orders from 01:26:36.870 --> 01:26:43.590 lower courts while pending appeal, even in the absence of stays and the equivalent. 01:26:44.290 --> 01:26:51.210 They argue that that has not happened, but there's a good argument that it has. 01:26:51.350 --> 01:26:56.230 The other example was the Venezuelans being sent to El Salvador. 01:26:56.950 --> 01:27:06.010 Including some after the judge gave a verbal order saying, don't do this anymore. 01:27:06.010 --> 01:27:08.710 And if their planes in the air, turn them around. 01:27:09.290 --> 01:27:12.350 They did not turn around the planes in the air. 01:27:13.050 --> 01:27:19.090 And there was another plane that took off afterwards, but they say on that one, 01:27:19.190 --> 01:27:27.050 they had other reasons besides the order that was in question for what the judge had done. 01:27:27.190 --> 01:27:30.730 So that one they could go ahead and do. So there are arguments, 01:27:30.930 --> 01:27:34.590 there are arguments, but it clearly, you know, 01:27:35.050 --> 01:27:44.230 the approach is to at the very least go right up to the line of defying the order, 01:27:44.230 --> 01:27:50.490 but I think in many cases, arguably going over the line and just saying, well, 01:27:50.690 --> 01:27:56.450 we'll appeal it and basically ignoring it until it gets to SCOTUS. 01:27:56.730 --> 01:28:01.450 And now this is, we've got the first couple of things at SCOTUS and we'll see how they go. 01:28:01.630 --> 01:28:07.970 This Kilmer-Garcia case is the one that's furthest along and is most direct at this point. 01:28:09.240 --> 01:28:14.980 And so far, you know, the order is to, you know, facilitate the return of this guy. 01:28:16.080 --> 01:28:23.960 So far, their official, like, every day at 5 p.m. notices have basically said, we can't. 01:28:24.820 --> 01:28:30.100 You know, they've said he is now in the custody of the El Salvadorans and there's nothing we can do. 01:28:31.580 --> 01:28:35.620 Well, we're paying El Salvador to hold him. 01:28:36.280 --> 01:28:41.700 Have we asked them not to? Are they going to ask him not to? 01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:48.020 I suspect that this will, well, there are a couple possibilities. 01:28:49.020 --> 01:28:54.480 The president of El Salvador is actually coming to visit Donald Trump tomorrow, 01:28:55.220 --> 01:28:58.160 the next day, or early this week, early this coming week. 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.760 He could just bring the guy on the plane with him. Say, here you go. 01:29:01.940 --> 01:29:04.120 Here's the guy. And done. 01:29:04.700 --> 01:29:09.260 Over. We move on. and we deal with a bunch of these other cases, 01:29:09.260 --> 01:29:11.320 but they get this one off the table. 01:29:12.420 --> 01:29:16.400 And then by the way, they could, they could still deport the guy. 01:29:17.860 --> 01:29:21.040 Apparently the, the order was just, he couldn't go to El Salvador. 01:29:21.240 --> 01:29:22.560 They could send him somewhere else. 01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:31.020 They, they could follow the actual processes to try to do this right and get this guy removed. 01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:36.660 But for the moment, bring him back. So one possibility is that, 01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:38.920 you know, hey, they bring him back on this plane. 01:29:39.480 --> 01:29:43.720 Donald Trump says, hey, we did what the court says. Here's your guy, whatever. 01:29:44.280 --> 01:29:46.760 And then maybe they try again later. 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:52.220 Or we go right into the defiance where we get these daily updates and every 01:29:52.220 --> 01:29:54.060 daily update is just we have no update. 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:56.320 And then what does the court do? 01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:02.700 And then if the lower court does try to hold somebody in contempt or issue further 01:30:02.700 --> 01:30:04.380 orders or anything like that, 01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:08.360 you know they're going to be appealed again, and they'll make their way up the 01:30:08.360 --> 01:30:12.580 chain and eventually to SCOTUS again, and then SCOTUS will have to say something else. 01:30:12.980 --> 01:30:15.180 They can play this game a long time. 01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:25.580 And if the administration wants to play the game where they just keep running 01:30:25.580 --> 01:30:27.200 this up and down the court saying, 01:30:27.240 --> 01:30:30.540 I didn't understand what you said, or I couldn't do anything, 01:30:30.540 --> 01:30:32.560 And then it goes through the process. 01:30:33.380 --> 01:30:39.060 This cycle can continue a long time, especially if SCOTUS wants to play the game. 01:30:39.180 --> 01:30:43.660 If SCOTUS wants to play the game of giving them that wiggle room. 01:30:44.750 --> 01:30:50.490 Then, you know, that is what it is. Now, if SCOTUS at some point puts down their 01:30:50.490 --> 01:30:55.750 foot and gives an order with no wiggle room, then we'll see what happens. 01:30:56.790 --> 01:31:00.810 But it's still murkier. 01:31:02.250 --> 01:31:04.890 Murkier is a good word. I was going to say muddier, murkier. 01:31:05.030 --> 01:31:06.230 I was starting to mix them up. 01:31:06.430 --> 01:31:14.130 Anyway, the situation is not 100% clear cut yet in sort of that fully legal way. 01:31:14.750 --> 01:31:23.370 I think in terms of, is the administration effectively saying we don't care what the courts say? 01:31:23.630 --> 01:31:33.270 Yes, because they are consistently doing things that previous court precedent has said is not allowed. 01:31:33.610 --> 01:31:42.030 They are consistently pushing to the edge of the interpretation of every order they get. 01:31:42.030 --> 01:31:48.630 Sometimes I think beyond, but that'll go through the legal process, you know, and basically. 01:31:50.470 --> 01:31:58.550 Whether or not we sort of get that, there's that situation where there's absolutely no question. 01:31:58.750 --> 01:32:03.410 Supreme court said X, Trump did not X. 01:32:03.890 --> 01:32:10.030 I'm not sure, but I think effectively we're there anyway, because the end result 01:32:10.030 --> 01:32:15.970 of all this is the court said, first of all, the court said this guy should not be deported. 01:32:16.110 --> 01:32:19.890 They deported him anyway, or sorry, removed, not deported. 01:32:20.250 --> 01:32:23.330 They removed him anyway. Now, then they admitted it was a mistake. 01:32:23.890 --> 01:32:28.650 They shouldn't have done that. They didn't mean to do that. Then the court said, bring him back. 01:32:29.630 --> 01:32:33.750 They are not bringing him back so far, And there's no evidence that they've 01:32:33.750 --> 01:32:35.010 made any serious attempts. 01:32:35.670 --> 01:32:40.710 I mean, this is one of those situations where, I mean, come on. 01:32:41.410 --> 01:32:46.850 Donald Trump calls up the president of El Salvador and says, 01:32:47.090 --> 01:32:48.950 I want him back yesterday. 01:32:49.390 --> 01:32:55.550 And unless he's back safe and sound, X, Y, Z happens. Would the guy be given back? 01:32:56.490 --> 01:33:01.070 Yes. Unless he's already dead. But they say he's not. They say he's still alive. 01:33:02.090 --> 01:33:06.110 I don't know if you can hear my dog barking or not. If you can, I apologize. 01:33:06.650 --> 01:33:10.870 I'm not going to take the time to deal with it this time because I don't have the time. 01:33:12.030 --> 01:33:16.350 The automatic editing tools will either remove it or it won't. That's all I can say. 01:33:17.370 --> 01:33:21.270 Anyway, the only other thing I want to say before wrapping this up is... 01:33:22.590 --> 01:33:30.230 The mere fact that we are now talking about the scenarios where people are being 01:33:30.230 --> 01:33:34.330 quote-unquote removed without notice, 01:33:34.810 --> 01:33:38.750 without due process, even though the court has said we need to allow some due 01:33:38.750 --> 01:33:47.610 process, is incredibly disturbing and everyone should be worried about this. 01:33:47.610 --> 01:33:53.650 And yes, they're trying to say they're doing this on, you know, these are gang members. 01:33:53.930 --> 01:33:57.570 Well, apparently their evidence is really, really flimsy. And there are certainly 01:33:57.570 --> 01:34:02.670 people who have been picked up who do not appear to actually have been gang members. 01:34:03.230 --> 01:34:06.390 And then they're like, well, and they're all illegal, of course. 01:34:06.550 --> 01:34:10.670 They don't, they're all here when they shouldn't be. But the thing is, 01:34:10.850 --> 01:34:18.090 if you don't have sufficient processes and protections in place so that someone 01:34:18.090 --> 01:34:21.230 can dispute that and say, no, 01:34:21.450 --> 01:34:27.910 I'm not a gang member or no, I actually am legal or even no, 01:34:28.150 --> 01:34:29.690 you know, really, I'm a citizen. 01:34:30.370 --> 01:34:36.450 Unless you have those processes in place, it's guaranteed at some point, 01:34:36.890 --> 01:34:39.550 you know, and I think it's actually already happened. 01:34:40.190 --> 01:34:44.510 Innocent people are caught up and you don't have the processes to deal with that. 01:34:45.830 --> 01:34:51.930 And if you don't have the processes to deal with that, what's to stop them from 01:34:51.930 --> 01:34:54.370 doing it intentionally? This guy was a mistake. 01:34:55.610 --> 01:35:00.430 What's to stop them the very next time from picking up an actual U.S. 01:35:00.910 --> 01:35:05.950 Citizen that they're upset about something. They don't want to bother taking 01:35:05.950 --> 01:35:10.590 them through the normal legal process. 01:35:11.030 --> 01:35:18.950 You know, arrest them, indict them, take them to court, have a trial, 01:35:19.230 --> 01:35:22.150 have them convicted, then decide on sentencing. 01:35:22.510 --> 01:35:25.950 You know, they don't want to do all that. They just want to get rid of somebody. 01:35:26.270 --> 01:35:34.690 So send them to the notorious prison in El Salvador that's known for human rights abuses. Awesome. 01:35:35.550 --> 01:35:39.650 Or even short of that, picking them up and putting them in the detention centers 01:35:39.650 --> 01:35:41.750 that they've got scattered throughout the country now. 01:35:42.670 --> 01:35:46.770 Everything that weakens the processes 01:35:46.770 --> 01:35:51.330 that are in place to protect the 01:35:51.330 --> 01:35:57.890 innocent against these kinds of things endangers everybody and they try to position 01:35:57.890 --> 01:36:02.470 it again as like oh these are dangerous people whatever and so people don't 01:36:02.470 --> 01:36:07.170 have sympathy because oh they're dangerous people their gang members, let them, let them rot, 01:36:07.410 --> 01:36:09.190 let them be sent out. 01:36:09.630 --> 01:36:16.170 We, the key to all of this. And like, look, not everything is about process. 01:36:16.350 --> 01:36:21.110 Like there, you know, but process is actually important. 01:36:21.550 --> 01:36:28.410 Process is what protects everyone from arbitrary actions by the government. 01:36:29.030 --> 01:36:36.030 So you want those processes in place and yeah, it slows things down. Yeah. 01:36:37.430 --> 01:36:42.530 But that's good. I don't know. Like, I think a lot of people are willing to 01:36:42.530 --> 01:36:46.130 say, well, you know, if, if the government says they're bad, 01:36:46.390 --> 01:36:49.830 then let's get rid of them. What's the big deal? They're bad. 01:36:51.140 --> 01:36:55.080 The problem is trusting the, 01:36:55.380 --> 01:37:06.480 trusting like ICE or DHS or the FBI, any of these to make those determinations by themselves. 01:37:07.380 --> 01:37:11.840 You want checks and balances. You want to make them prove it. 01:37:12.860 --> 01:37:19.860 You know, and if they don't have to prove it, then it's not just going to be 01:37:19.860 --> 01:37:22.700 the bad people. It could be anybody. 01:37:23.180 --> 01:37:27.200 That's the whole point of all this stuff. And now, you know, 01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:31.700 we're having people disappeared. 01:37:32.780 --> 01:37:37.580 That is not something that should be happening in this country. But it is. 01:37:38.340 --> 01:37:43.820 And the question is not what did these people do and do they deserve it? 01:37:44.280 --> 01:37:47.780 It's just a fundamental, this should not be happening, period, end of story. 01:37:47.780 --> 01:37:57.000 If they actually have done a criminal act, then deal with that with the mechanisms 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.540 that are set up for people who do criminal acts. 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:07.100 If they have indeed violated immigration laws and are here without the proper paperwork, 01:38:07.400 --> 01:38:12.700 then there are processes for that too that you should deal with and go through 01:38:12.700 --> 01:38:17.380 all the steps and make sure you've done it all properly, 01:38:17.380 --> 01:38:22.300 including all the mechanisms for them to appeal and take it up and down the 01:38:22.300 --> 01:38:24.640 chain and prove it or whatever. 01:38:25.040 --> 01:38:27.760 And even then, you do it humanely. 01:38:29.190 --> 01:38:32.990 I would typically default to like letting most of these people stay, 01:38:33.010 --> 01:38:35.890 you know, unless there is a real problem. 01:38:36.190 --> 01:38:41.650 Like, you know, I, Yvonne, myself, our listener, Bruce, when he's co-hosted 01:38:41.650 --> 01:38:44.890 a few times have all said we're, we're essentially in favor of open borders. 01:38:45.070 --> 01:38:51.070 Like, you know, often like, you know, Democrats and liberals are put in a position of sort of deny. 01:38:51.170 --> 01:38:53.450 Oh no, no, no. We do believe in a secure border. 01:38:53.590 --> 01:38:56.270 Just not like, yeah. Okay. Secure border. Fine. 01:38:57.710 --> 01:39:01.450 But fundamentally, the default should be freedom of movement. 01:39:01.810 --> 01:39:06.450 People should be able to go where they want to go, live where they want to live. 01:39:07.230 --> 01:39:10.990 There should be a really good reason to stop that. 01:39:11.670 --> 01:39:18.750 Not just because we've reached our quota from people from your country or we 01:39:18.750 --> 01:39:21.030 don't like brown people or whatever. 01:39:21.710 --> 01:39:30.950 No, no. But, but even assuming all the laws are in place, you need to like follow 01:39:30.950 --> 01:39:33.110 the processes that are defined and, 01:39:33.210 --> 01:39:36.810 and the processes are there for good reason. We shouldn't be getting rid of them. 01:39:36.990 --> 01:39:43.690 We need to have people have the ability to dispute whatever you're doing to 01:39:43.690 --> 01:39:46.370 them and have it go through an appropriate process. 01:39:46.370 --> 01:39:54.010 We should not just have people being picked up off the street and sent off to. 01:39:55.650 --> 01:40:02.030 Notorious foreign prisons just no it's ridiculous it's horrible, 01:40:03.230 --> 01:40:08.750 it's good to see the courts pushing back on it some even if it's not quite as 01:40:08.750 --> 01:40:14.510 strong as it could be and we'll see how it continues to play out but it's a 01:40:14.510 --> 01:40:16.770 very dangerous process precedent. 01:40:17.850 --> 01:40:25.430 Because the more power you give the executive to do things on their own without 01:40:25.430 --> 01:40:30.270 judicial processes to check them, the more dangerous it is to everybody. 01:40:30.390 --> 01:40:35.310 Just as a universal principle, not just on immigration, but on everything. 01:40:35.910 --> 01:40:39.610 You know, the founders, when they set up checks and balances, 01:40:40.090 --> 01:40:42.210 that was actually kind of important. 01:40:42.270 --> 01:40:47.190 And I know it's frustrating to everybody that it slows things down when you're 01:40:47.190 --> 01:40:52.150 trying to accomplish X, Y, or Z, because there's so many choke points and so 01:40:52.150 --> 01:40:55.730 many places to sort of stop things and slow them down and whatever. 01:40:56.370 --> 01:40:59.190 And I'm sometimes frustrated by those too. 01:41:00.570 --> 01:41:08.070 But there's good reason to have checks and balances and to not have sort of 01:41:08.070 --> 01:41:12.150 an ultimate concentration of power in the president to do whatever the hell they want. 01:41:12.650 --> 01:41:17.550 And the Trump administration's whole theory, this unitary executive theory, 01:41:17.790 --> 01:41:22.730 is all about giving the president close to unlimited power. 01:41:22.730 --> 01:41:26.370 And it's a really, really bad idea. even 01:41:26.370 --> 01:41:30.010 if it's a president you agree with let alone 01:41:30.010 --> 01:41:32.990 if it's a president you disagree with but you know 01:41:32.990 --> 01:41:36.090 i wouldn't want joe biden or obama 01:41:36.090 --> 01:41:39.630 to have that level of power either or harris 01:41:39.630 --> 01:41:42.790 if she had won no you just 01:41:42.790 --> 01:41:46.790 don't want that kind of accumulation of power so and 01:41:46.790 --> 01:41:49.990 so yeah that's happening okay with that 01:41:49.990 --> 01:41:52.710 let me wrap it up i've probably spent too much 01:41:52.710 --> 01:41:56.490 time anyway oh what 01:41:56.490 --> 01:42:01.530 do we say hopefully yvonne will be back next week go to curmudgeons-corner.com 01:42:01.530 --> 01:42:07.070 see all our stuff you can see all the ways to contact us a link to our youtube 01:42:07.070 --> 01:42:13.870 where the unedited video live streams of this podcast lives. 01:42:15.370 --> 01:42:22.050 You can see our transcripts. You can see our archive of old shows. 01:42:22.650 --> 01:42:28.190 All of that fun and exciting stuff. Stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff. 01:42:29.190 --> 01:42:31.710 I have still not put a link to TikTok. 01:42:32.990 --> 01:42:39.470 TikTok is still out there. You know, when I first started putting out the TikTok 01:42:39.470 --> 01:42:41.910 clips, They were routinely getting hundreds and hundreds of views. 01:42:42.010 --> 01:42:44.750 The last few weeks, they've gotten very few views. 01:42:44.870 --> 01:42:49.170 If they continue to get very few views because the TikTok algorithm is burying 01:42:49.170 --> 01:42:51.510 them or whatever, I might stop. 01:42:51.870 --> 01:42:55.870 I mean, I think they're kind of fun, so I've enjoyed doing it so far, 01:42:55.950 --> 01:42:59.390 but it also takes time. I had been specifically... 01:43:00.340 --> 01:43:06.880 Cutting down on activities I do to get this podcast out after recording it. 01:43:07.120 --> 01:43:11.980 I am doing much less manual editing than I used to do. 01:43:12.200 --> 01:43:16.240 I'm basically just throwing it through some automated tools and saying, 01:43:16.280 --> 01:43:18.080 whatever it does, it does. That's fine. 01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:22.880 There are only a handful of things. I mean, the last time I mentioned Yvonne 01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:26.980 was like coughing all the time, like constantly, the automatic tools actually 01:43:26.980 --> 01:43:28.660 got rid of most of the coughs, 01:43:28.900 --> 01:43:33.380 not all of them, a couple snuck through, but I listened to that show or most 01:43:33.380 --> 01:43:35.240 of that show since I put it out. 01:43:35.780 --> 01:43:40.520 And I can tell you for sure, most of the coughs were taken out by the automated 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:42.880 tools. So I'm like, good. 01:43:43.320 --> 01:43:47.440 That leaves one less thing I need to like note down and manually remove. 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:51.940 I'll just let the automation handle it. And if it misses one or two every once in a while, whatever. 01:43:52.540 --> 01:43:56.640 Like, so I'd cut down a lot of the stuff I did. I used to do all kinds of manual 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:58.180 stuff. I don't do that anymore. 01:43:58.440 --> 01:44:01.900 I'm just like, you know, the automation will cut out big gaps, 01:44:02.060 --> 01:44:06.580 the automation will cut out, you know, the filler words. 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:08.720 I almost used some filler words, 01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:11.380 but then they would be cut out and the sentence wouldn't make sense. 01:44:12.280 --> 01:44:15.420 You know, it does this stuff. And like, 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:20.100 so I saved a lot of time, but then I added the time back by doing these stupid 01:44:20.100 --> 01:44:25.760 TikToks where, yes, the Riverside program gives us suggested TikToks, 01:44:25.860 --> 01:44:29.140 but I watch all its suggestions and pick the ones I like. 01:44:29.240 --> 01:44:34.120 And I've even started editing the ones I like a little bit because they often 01:44:34.120 --> 01:44:36.560 don't start or end at a place I like. 01:44:36.580 --> 01:44:40.700 So I end up extending them a little bit to make it go to a natural endpoint. 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:45.740 And by the time I've done all that, I've taken a whole bunch of time generating 01:44:45.740 --> 01:44:49.260 the stupid TikToks. So yeah, so we'll see. 01:44:49.400 --> 01:44:52.300 We'll see. But they are kind of fun. 01:44:52.740 --> 01:44:55.640 I don't know. But if nobody's watching them, 01:44:56.420 --> 01:45:00.380 Then, oh, well, and also, even when people were watching them and commenting 01:45:00.380 --> 01:45:06.160 on them and stuff, I'm not convinced that they ended up like deciding to subscribe to the podcast. 01:45:07.700 --> 01:45:12.440 So what's the point then? You know? Anyway, you could all, I did not, 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:15.960 I have not linked to the TikTok, but I do link to the Patreon where I, 01:45:16.140 --> 01:45:19.200 where you can give us money at various levels. 01:45:19.320 --> 01:45:22.860 We will mention you on the show. We will ring a bell. We will send you a postcard. 01:45:23.000 --> 01:45:28.420 We will send you a mug. I still owe several of you stuff. 01:45:30.460 --> 01:45:35.240 Pete, Greg, and Ed, I still owe stuff to you. I have not forgotten. 01:45:35.480 --> 01:45:40.500 I have a note here. As I mentioned, the last of my three big deadlines for work 01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:47.020 is coming up in, oh God, 11 hours from the moment I'm recording this. 01:45:47.020 --> 01:45:52.640 So after that, hopefully things will relax a little bit and I'll be able to 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.560 take care of that next weekend or something. 01:45:56.160 --> 01:45:57.800 I also have to do my taxes. 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:02.820 Yeah, it's it's Sunday night. 01:46:03.320 --> 01:46:06.900 Taxes are due Tuesday. Haven't even started to look at it yet. 01:46:07.300 --> 01:46:10.200 My wife was going to start looking at it because I was busy, 01:46:10.420 --> 01:46:12.440 but I don't think she's had a chance either. 01:46:12.780 --> 01:46:16.680 So I guess that's what I'm doing Monday night. We shall see. 01:46:17.440 --> 01:46:21.320 Anyway, I've been busy. I apologize. I will eventually get to your stuff. 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:26.460 Anyway, and at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us, you will get invited 01:46:26.460 --> 01:46:32.420 to our Curmudgeons Corner Slack, where Yvonne and I and various other folks 01:46:32.420 --> 01:46:35.020 are chatting throughout the entire week. 01:46:35.020 --> 01:46:38.260 It's a lot of fun. Please join us. 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:43.700 You know, the more the merrier. We would love to have you. 01:46:44.200 --> 01:46:48.520 So, talk to us. So, a highlight from there. 01:46:49.660 --> 01:46:57.760 Here's one that I shared and then Ivan found some more information on after the fact. 01:46:58.020 --> 01:47:05.160 There was a car in Indonesia who was following their GPS somewhere, 01:47:05.160 --> 01:47:11.140 and their GPS took them onto an unfinished bridge. 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:15.620 Now, apparently there were, you know, cones and barriers and whatever, 01:47:15.620 --> 01:47:21.000 but the guy, like, I don't know, didn't think they were for him and went right past them. 01:47:22.310 --> 01:47:31.090 Ended up flying off the edge of the unfinished bridge, landing on a roadway below, and was fine. 01:47:31.590 --> 01:47:36.750 His passenger said, they're never riding with that driver again. 01:47:37.310 --> 01:47:41.350 And apparently the driver was worried that his car was totaled. 01:47:42.090 --> 01:47:45.650 There's video of this. There's video of the car going off the bridge. 01:47:45.810 --> 01:47:51.690 If you Google driver shoots off unfinished bridge while following map on phone, 01:47:52.310 --> 01:47:54.250 You will probably find the video. 01:47:55.870 --> 01:47:59.910 And yeah, Ed commented on the curmudgeons corner slack. 01:48:00.070 --> 01:48:04.050 Are you saying I need to not only watch the map, read my mail, 01:48:04.170 --> 01:48:08.330 text friends, and listen to the news? I also need to look out the window of 01:48:08.330 --> 01:48:09.710 the car to see where it is going. 01:48:10.110 --> 01:48:12.510 Just how multifunctional must I be? 01:48:12.930 --> 01:48:18.270 And I agree. Because I am one who would follow the stupid GPS. 01:48:19.010 --> 01:48:28.390 I have indeed in the past gotten in trouble by following the stupid GPS and getting stuck places. 01:48:29.090 --> 01:48:32.630 So I will specifically point you to one of them. 01:48:33.390 --> 01:48:38.190 If you go to abulsme.com, A-B-U-L-S-M-E.com, which is my blog, 01:48:38.330 --> 01:48:41.070 which I haven't posted to in years now, 01:48:41.250 --> 01:48:48.590 since 2022, when my dog Miley passed away, when I posted about that. That's the last post. 01:48:48.730 --> 01:48:54.870 But if instead you look at the navigation and go to random trips and then pick 01:48:54.870 --> 01:48:59.210 the trip for, which one was it? 01:49:00.550 --> 01:49:06.150 2002 Q2, Grantsville, Nevada, USA. 01:49:06.790 --> 01:49:11.630 You will find on day three of that trip. 01:49:12.870 --> 01:49:21.410 I followed the GPS onto a dirt road and ended up stuck in the mud in my rental 01:49:21.410 --> 01:49:24.690 vehicle and could not get it out. 01:49:26.810 --> 01:49:31.530 I don't even know if I had a cell phone at that time, but I didn't have coverage 01:49:31.530 --> 01:49:33.630 in any case. It was out in the middle of nowhere. 01:49:34.230 --> 01:49:38.250 I pitched a tent and slept the night out there. 01:49:38.510 --> 01:49:45.930 It was very cold. I did not have the proper equipment for the temperature it was. 01:49:46.370 --> 01:49:49.610 Now, I did not die, obviously. 01:49:50.330 --> 01:49:54.990 I did not get significantly hurt or anything like that, but it was very cold. 01:49:55.650 --> 01:50:03.010 But I spent the night, and then in the morning, I walked back to the main road. 01:50:03.150 --> 01:50:09.490 That wasn't that far from the main road. a road that actually like had occasional 01:50:09.490 --> 01:50:12.570 rare traffic as opposed to this dirt road. 01:50:13.150 --> 01:50:19.470 I, I put like a shirt on a post to get, to maybe get people's attention and 01:50:19.470 --> 01:50:23.010 then just started walking to try to find somebody. 01:50:23.030 --> 01:50:30.590 And I eventually, you know, found, I forget if they found me. 01:50:31.470 --> 01:50:40.990 No i yes i found them i found i i found a a ranch and you know got up to talk 01:50:40.990 --> 01:50:48.190 to them and you know basically some cowboys you know actual like ranch hands 01:50:48.190 --> 01:50:51.450 on an actual like nevada ranch. 01:50:52.590 --> 01:50:58.830 Rescued me. They brought their truck. They brought stuff so they could pull me out of the ditch. 01:50:59.350 --> 01:51:04.710 And they pulled the vehicle out of the ditch, or the washed-out part of Muddy 01:51:04.710 --> 01:51:10.070 Road, whatever is the right name for it, and rescued me. So anyway, 01:51:10.230 --> 01:51:14.130 there are pictures and the full story on the website that I just gave. 01:51:14.850 --> 01:51:22.430 So go check it out because I did not fly off a bridge, but I did get myself in trouble. 01:51:22.970 --> 01:51:25.210 And if the circumstances had 01:51:25.210 --> 01:51:30.870 been just a bit different, it might not have worked out as well as it did. 01:51:30.870 --> 01:51:38.170 There have been other cases of people who have gotten stuck on a back road in 01:51:38.170 --> 01:51:41.530 the middle of a snowstorm and people have died. 01:51:42.970 --> 01:51:49.030 So I would like to think that now, more than 20 years after this particular 01:51:49.030 --> 01:51:51.830 adventure, I would be a bit more cautious. 01:51:52.850 --> 01:51:56.190 Also with current technology if i was going to do a trip like that again, 01:51:56.910 --> 01:51:59.850 where i knew i was going to be going on back roads 01:51:59.850 --> 01:52:02.790 in the middle of nowhere you can well now 01:52:02.790 --> 01:52:09.010 now even the current iphones not my iphone 12 but the current iphones can do 01:52:09.010 --> 01:52:13.130 an emergency satellite call so i would definitely make sure i had equipment 01:52:13.130 --> 01:52:18.710 like that if not one of those other sort of dedicated emergency beacon things 01:52:18.710 --> 01:52:20.190 that you can use to call for help, 01:52:20.210 --> 01:52:24.910 if you are out of service and, you know, 01:52:25.230 --> 01:52:28.910 whatever, that also are satellite-based, you can guarantee I would have all 01:52:28.910 --> 01:52:32.550 that stuff if I was going to do an adventure like that again. Anyway. 01:52:33.290 --> 01:52:40.270 Or maybe I would be like, this road doesn't look safe. Maybe I shouldn't go there right now. 01:52:40.910 --> 01:52:48.190 Maybe, I don't know. You know, but fundamentally though, like that little adventure 01:52:48.190 --> 01:52:50.330 was what made the trip for me. 01:52:50.490 --> 01:52:53.770 Like the rest of that trip was fun too. 01:52:53.970 --> 01:53:00.390 But that one day getting stuck, that is the story I remember and the story I will tell. 01:53:00.650 --> 01:53:05.890 And like when I was doing those random trips back in the early 2000s, 01:53:06.070 --> 01:53:12.990 that was what was fun to me was the unplanned nature of them and the fact that 01:53:12.990 --> 01:53:17.510 I was making it up day by day and would have little adventures. 01:53:18.790 --> 01:53:24.450 Although it is nice to have adventures that are, you know, safe. 01:53:25.170 --> 01:53:30.970 Yeah. Anyway, this is not the only one where I got into a little bit of trouble. 01:53:32.650 --> 01:53:37.830 Hell, elsewhere on this exact same Nevada vacation. No, no, no, 01:53:37.830 --> 01:53:38.870 it was a different vacation. 01:53:39.530 --> 01:53:48.570 Yeah, there was the one to Mariposa, California, I think also included me getting 01:53:48.570 --> 01:53:51.030 in trouble almost running out of gas or something. 01:53:51.610 --> 01:53:53.770 Maybe that was Grantsville too. 01:53:54.950 --> 01:53:58.130 Actually, this is a theme. there there 01:53:58.130 --> 01:54:02.250 was one to lac lac menuane 01:54:02.250 --> 01:54:05.170 quebec anyway look there's several of these where 01:54:05.170 --> 01:54:08.350 i've gotten in trouble maybe it's 01:54:08.350 --> 01:54:11.070 good i stopped doing these at some point i would like to 01:54:11.070 --> 01:54:13.930 do them again the next one is supposed to be the next 01:54:13.930 --> 01:54:17.370 one that has been the next one for decades now is 01:54:17.370 --> 01:54:21.410 to chichoban in quintana rue mexico it'd be 01:54:21.410 --> 01:54:24.510 nice to do that again uh that's just north 01:54:24.510 --> 01:54:27.490 of the belize border but yeah like 01:54:27.490 --> 01:54:31.650 i got in trouble in a lot of these i had never like but like getting my car 01:54:31.650 --> 01:54:36.870 stuck almost running out of gas in a place that would have been like i would 01:54:36.870 --> 01:54:43.710 have been stranded if i had run out of gas you know getting yeah i think there 01:54:43.710 --> 01:54:46.210 was more than one time i got my car stuck. 01:54:46.950 --> 01:54:53.370 I had a car damaged in one of them, but they were fun. 01:54:54.730 --> 01:55:01.050 Anyway, I've talked long enough. Thank you for joining us for yet another Curve of Scorn, or me. 01:55:01.410 --> 01:55:05.250 Like I said, hopefully Yvonne will be back next week and we'll be back to normal. 01:55:05.950 --> 01:55:11.430 And yeah, thank you. Have a good week. Stay safe. Have fun. Blah, 01:55:11.510 --> 01:55:13.490 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Goodbye. 01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:51.720 Okay. For those of you who stay past the credits or those of you on the live 01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:53.400 stream, I'm going to hit stop now. 01:55:53.580 --> 01:55:56.000 I don't know why I leave these things in. Sometimes they're funny, 01:55:56.120 --> 01:56:00.500 but sometimes it's just like, okay, he's hitting stop. What's the point of leaving that in? 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.160 But like you know it gives a little character i 01:56:04.160 --> 01:56:06.960 don't i don't know like usually i only keep the 01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:09.780 intros or outros well i started out only keeping 01:56:09.780 --> 01:56:14.960 the intros and outros if they were funny in some way now i sort of leave them 01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:20.400 in even if they're not in a lot of cases or at least some of them i i do cut 01:56:20.400 --> 01:56:27.060 some stuff out of them sometimes but anyway if you're still here why goodbye for real Well, 01:56:28.180 --> 01:56:32.240 Alex used to say that a lot on some of his videos on alexamzilla.com. 01:56:32.740 --> 01:56:35.620 Anyway, hitting stop now. Goodbye, folks.