WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:03.990 Testing, one, two, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 00:00:04.090 --> 00:00:06.770 I forgot, four! And maybe something else. 00:00:07.830 --> 00:00:09.490 Okay, fine, here we... 00:00:10.990 --> 00:00:15.830 Hi, this is Sam from the future. Here at the very beginning of the show, 00:00:16.050 --> 00:00:19.090 at what we call the cold open, when we originally recorded this, 00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:23.290 I had an audio issue that Yvonne said made me sound like Chewbacca. 00:00:25.530 --> 00:00:29.410 And it took us a while to resolve that. Normally when there's something sort 00:00:29.410 --> 00:00:33.610 of semi-amusing like that, I put it here in the cold open before the show starts. 00:00:33.810 --> 00:00:39.270 But this time, it was actually also long before we fixed it. 00:00:39.490 --> 00:00:45.390 But just so you guys can experience it, if you wish to, I'm going to put it 00:00:45.390 --> 00:00:49.630 at the very end of the show, after the outro and all that kind of stuff when we're done. 00:00:49.790 --> 00:00:54.910 So you can listen to me sounding weird and Yvonne cracking up about it for a 00:00:54.910 --> 00:00:56.510 while until we resolve the problem. 00:00:57.870 --> 00:01:03.710 If you feel like it. Also, since I'm here anyway, I'll mention that the last 00:01:03.710 --> 00:01:05.370 segment of the show is about TikTok. 00:01:05.710 --> 00:01:09.610 But we recorded it Friday night and there were developments since then before 00:01:09.610 --> 00:01:10.810 I'm putting the show out. 00:01:10.990 --> 00:01:18.510 So just to put it out there, TikTok was indeed shut down by TikTok themselves 00:01:18.510 --> 00:01:24.050 anticipating the legal deadline on Saturday evening U.S. 00:01:24.190 --> 00:01:30.970 Time. And then Sunday morning, it was back on with TikTok pointing to various 00:01:30.970 --> 00:01:33.350 assurances president to be. 00:01:33.610 --> 00:01:38.450 They just said President Trump, but various assurances that President Trump 00:01:38.450 --> 00:01:43.410 gave about actions he would take once he became president, once he becomes president on Monday. 00:01:43.710 --> 00:01:48.190 So TikTok's back on again. So when you listen to that last segment, 00:01:48.430 --> 00:01:53.390 you can see how well we did at anticipating what would or would not happen. 00:01:54.210 --> 00:02:00.530 Anyway, on with the show. I'll start with the pre-open that... 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:06.900 Well, there's still a little bit of cold open besides the weird cold open. 00:02:06.900 --> 00:02:10.920 And besides me doing my Sam from the future, here's what happened with TikTok. 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:15.340 Of course, I've already spent like a lot of time talking about this stuff. 00:02:15.460 --> 00:02:17.300 I might as well have played the Chewbacca stuff. 00:02:17.440 --> 00:02:20.680 Well, this is still a lot shorter than that. Anyway, why am I still going? 00:02:21.500 --> 00:02:24.820 Here comes the thing. Do, do, do. 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:26.440 Okay. 00:02:27.600 --> 00:02:28.780 Okay. Better? 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:29.560 Yes! 00:02:32.760 --> 00:02:38.580 Okay hold on let's get the uh make sure the live stream's going. 00:02:40.040 --> 00:02:45.760 You shaved oh that's right you went to the gala and the thing and the thing. 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:51.140 Brandy got a haircut brandy asked me to you know. 00:02:51.140 --> 00:02:53.380 Damn it the least you could do. 00:02:56.040 --> 00:02:59.980 It's like the first time in 18 years that. 00:02:59.980 --> 00:03:02.280 What you hadn't shaved in 18 years. 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:07.480 Yeah i mean i'd only trimmed the beard but i hadn't like hadn't been clean shaven 00:03:07.480 --> 00:03:10.340 since before alex was born you. 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:15.600 Look a lot younger i must say. 00:03:15.600 --> 00:03:24.120 Okay let's make sure this is gone 1948 there we go okay Since we had that extended 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:26.000 preamble, should we just go? 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:26.800 Yes. 00:03:27.440 --> 00:03:27.780 Okay. 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.760 You were able to hear the sound. 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:38.460 I was able to hear the sound, both on the back and forth and on the clip you sent me. 00:03:38.920 --> 00:03:45.100 I think one of the three times we connected may not have fully recorded on Riverside, 00:03:45.160 --> 00:03:46.840 but I have everything on YouTube. 00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:51.300 Oh, wait. So, so on Riverside, it was recording you sounding like that? 00:03:51.640 --> 00:03:59.420 Oh, I don't know. Like I, I, I had recordings like, well, I ended up with, 00:03:59.660 --> 00:04:05.720 this is now the third recording that Riverside has, but I think it's the fourth 00:04:05.720 --> 00:04:08.380 time we actually connected. So I don't know. 00:04:08.440 --> 00:04:12.100 I don't know exactly if it lost something, but if it did lose something, 00:04:12.100 --> 00:04:14.900 I have that on, on YouTube anyway. 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:18.080 So anyway, I think we got everything. I think. 00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:18.360 Okay. 00:04:19.060 --> 00:04:24.280 We'll see. But not, the only thing that I would use is if we got good recordings 00:04:24.280 --> 00:04:28.280 of Chewbacca, then I will of course include that. Yes. 00:04:29.340 --> 00:04:31.500 Okay. Let's get this thing started. 00:04:54.650 --> 00:05:01.810 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, January 18th, 2025. 00:05:02.350 --> 00:05:05.890 It's just before 4 UTC as we're starting to record. 00:05:06.070 --> 00:05:13.890 I am Sam Mentor, Yvonne Bo is here, and this is our last show of the Biden presidency. 00:05:18.510 --> 00:05:21.270 Okay anyway we're gonna do our usual sort of 00:05:21.270 --> 00:05:25.930 thing we'll talk about whatever in the first segment and then more newsy stuff 00:05:25.930 --> 00:05:30.070 in the second and third segments one of the segments picked by and one picked 00:05:30.070 --> 00:05:37.470 by me that's the plan so as we butt first into this you want to start yvonne 00:05:37.470 --> 00:05:39.470 you got a butt firsty thing do. 00:05:39.470 --> 00:05:44.650 I have a butt firsty thing well, 00:05:47.830 --> 00:05:57.670 not gonna make a butt first out of our follies and trying to record the show today so you know i. 00:05:57.670 --> 00:06:01.670 Don't know we had some fun technical difficulties i'm hoping we got enough of 00:06:01.670 --> 00:06:06.710 it that i put a little bit before the theme song just yeah and get a taste uh yeah. 00:06:06.710 --> 00:06:11.350 We we was uh yeah what the fuck happened this. 00:06:11.350 --> 00:06:12.870 I don't know it. 00:06:12.870 --> 00:06:14.410 Was a long well the thing. 00:06:14.410 --> 00:06:18.010 You know it doesn't have to be like a personal story it can just be something 00:06:18.010 --> 00:06:24.630 something that's been in the news that isn't particularly like serious you know or well the one. 00:06:24.630 --> 00:06:28.730 Thing that wasn't serious that wasn't in the news, but that thank God I did 00:06:28.730 --> 00:06:31.950 make change my flight on third. 00:06:32.110 --> 00:06:33.650 Oh yes. I know what this is. 00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:36.730 Okay. Because well, 00:06:37.750 --> 00:06:42.210 A couple appointments wind up being rescheduled. My schedule kept changing. 00:06:42.210 --> 00:06:44.950 I did some of the appointments with something happened. 00:06:45.130 --> 00:06:50.010 And then so it wound up that I didn't have the, I had Thursday afternoon appointments, 00:06:50.190 --> 00:06:52.010 but they wound up getting pushed to next week. 00:06:52.130 --> 00:06:54.490 I'm actually flying back to Puerto Rico next week. 00:06:54.830 --> 00:06:59.170 And so they wound up getting pushed. So I'm like, well, I'm trying to get back home earlier. 00:07:00.450 --> 00:07:07.350 So I snagged, I called the agency and I said, well, they were able to get me 00:07:07.350 --> 00:07:09.850 on the, 7 40 something a.m. 00:07:09.970 --> 00:07:16.150 Flight to to Miami okay got me got got me you know back at 10 a.m. 00:07:16.790 --> 00:07:21.330 Or a little earlier than that i'm like great you'd probably be home by 11 a.m. 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:25.630 Gets you know work pick up my son from school so my mom doesn't have to go pick 00:07:25.630 --> 00:07:29.550 him up because my wife is still like you know even though they actually took 00:07:29.550 --> 00:07:35.410 off her cast she's finally on a walking boot and she's trying to get used to nice well i mean. 00:07:35.410 --> 00:07:37.790 Not not that it's nice to have a walking booth boot. 00:07:37.790 --> 00:07:39.270 But it's nice as an improvement. 00:07:39.270 --> 00:07:40.250 From where it was. 00:07:40.250 --> 00:07:43.670 By as an improvement or was that we did that yesterday afternoon 00:07:43.670 --> 00:07:51.170 and uh so so i was doing that flying back from san you know back from san juan 00:07:51.170 --> 00:08:02.130 first like and so then spacex decides to launch their rocket yesterday starship and so it broke up 00:08:02.470 --> 00:08:10.350 in space, and it broke up really spectacularly badly in such a way that basically 00:08:10.350 --> 00:08:15.050 flights that were going over my route, basically there was a ground stop in San Juan. 00:08:15.630 --> 00:08:20.650 The flights to Miami, you know, flights northbound could not leave because of 00:08:20.650 --> 00:08:24.670 the debris coming down from this rocket. 00:08:25.450 --> 00:08:30.630 There were lots of spectacular videos of the explosion, both from the ground and from aircraft. 00:08:30.930 --> 00:08:36.330 There were lots of people pointing their cameras out of their plane from commercial 00:08:36.330 --> 00:08:37.470 flights, various places. 00:08:37.950 --> 00:08:42.850 And apparently there was some damage on the ground on Turks and Caicos. 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:45.870 On Turks and Caicos, yeah. so this wasn't like 00:08:45.870 --> 00:08:49.990 just whatever this was you know this was a serious incident 00:08:49.990 --> 00:08:53.030 okay and flights wound up being diverted 00:08:53.030 --> 00:08:56.090 because debris was raining down and you 00:08:56.090 --> 00:08:58.750 know there was like i actually shared a video from one of 00:08:58.750 --> 00:09:03.130 the this this flight guy that i follow a lot and he showed all these circling 00:09:03.130 --> 00:09:07.210 patterns that all of a sudden aircraft had to do nor avoid that and basically 00:09:07.210 --> 00:09:10.890 there was a ground stop in san juan so it would have meant i was going to go 00:09:10.890 --> 00:09:16.210 on the late later flight if i did that I would have been delayed into oblivion. 00:09:16.350 --> 00:09:21.350 I just want to point out one thing. Like, theoretically, they already, 00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:27.690 like, even before the thing explodes, they close certain airspace where they 00:09:27.690 --> 00:09:31.490 think there'd be a chance of a problem. 00:09:31.490 --> 00:09:36.570 Like, if there was a problem with the flight where they think that there might be an issue. 00:09:36.710 --> 00:09:39.270 Like, they already closed some airspace. They move. 00:09:39.450 --> 00:09:45.130 They put some warnings in place. but apparently whatever it was wasn't sufficient given the actual. 00:09:45.130 --> 00:09:48.590 Damage well here's the thing the the only notum 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:51.310 that is out there for that is for 00:09:51.310 --> 00:09:58.270 a very small area just very close to the you know the coast of texas like right 00:09:58.270 --> 00:10:04.330 on the you know right near the word rocket is lost but it's not much further 00:10:04.330 --> 00:10:09.230 out than that okay i actually in that video i shared they actually showed the area. 00:10:09.450 --> 00:10:12.610 And it was an area that was in the Gulf that was just very close to Texas. 00:10:12.610 --> 00:10:17.210 It was definitely nowhere near where the debris started raining down. 00:10:17.980 --> 00:10:23.000 So, so yeah, so that was not, you know, that, that, that, that NOTAM was, 00:10:23.180 --> 00:10:28.880 I mean, it wouldn't have, it, it, it, it, it didn't matter because they wound 00:10:28.880 --> 00:10:30.600 up having to implement, they did, 00:10:30.780 --> 00:10:36.260 the FAA does have an emergency procedure for these situations. 00:10:36.260 --> 00:10:43.020 And they had to actually pull that one into into action because of this. 00:10:43.560 --> 00:10:48.340 You know, look, I'm pretty unnerving. I got to be honest with you. 00:10:48.980 --> 00:10:52.480 You know, honestly, just going to brought down a commercial airliner. 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:56.260 And just to be clear, so people are aware who haven't been following this. 00:10:56.460 --> 00:11:03.460 This was an unmanned flight. It also was not one of SpaceX's routine satellite launches or whatever. 00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:10.640 It was a test of the newest iteration of the Starship spacecraft, 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:18.480 which is their big one that's intended to hold not just humans, but many humans. 00:11:18.700 --> 00:11:22.660 Like it's supposed to be like either a small number of humans, 00:11:22.820 --> 00:11:26.860 take them all the way to the moon, or conceivably like you could configure this 00:11:26.860 --> 00:11:30.340 thing to hold 50 people at once and send them to space or whatever. Right. 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:36.980 But it's it's it's large, large capacity for cargo or humans or whatever you want to put in it. 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:41.900 They have been iterating on this thing to test it. This is not the first one. 00:11:42.140 --> 00:11:45.540 This is not the first one that has blown up spectacularly. 00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:50.520 And we've talked before about, you know, hey, this is just SpaceX's general philosophy, right? 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:55.780 You iterate over and over and eventually you get to the point where, 00:11:55.860 --> 00:12:02.320 I mean, their regular orbital launches have been going quite successfully with 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.240 a high success ratio for a long time now, 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.440 but people made fun of them for years because they kept blowing up rockets while 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:10.460 they were developing it. 00:12:10.780 --> 00:12:14.300 And when they started trying to catch the rockets, the boosters, 00:12:14.500 --> 00:12:18.980 when they came back down, those failed over and over and over again before they succeeded. 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:23.080 And this is just how SpaceX has chosen to do it. 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:28.580 Whereas sort of the traditional NASA way was to move much more slowly, 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:34.180 be much more careful, you know, and they've had big spectacular losses too, 00:12:34.380 --> 00:12:35.480 even with that philosophy. 00:12:35.880 --> 00:12:41.260 But SpaceX is just like, hey, we're iterating fast. We'll have some accidents. 00:12:41.260 --> 00:12:42.980 We'll fix it. We'll go forward. 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:48.640 And presumably they hope they'll be fairly sure of the technology before they 00:12:48.640 --> 00:12:49.960 actually put humans on board. 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.540 But in the meantime, time, you know, okay, this one blew up. 00:12:53.620 --> 00:12:55.620 But like you said, like they... 00:12:56.550 --> 00:12:59.290 You're pushing the envelope with this, okay? 00:12:59.750 --> 00:13:06.250 And that's the problem. And, you know, I mean, seriously, this could have brought 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:10.730 down commercial airliners yesterday, okay? Not just one. 00:13:11.410 --> 00:13:14.850 If swift action hadn't been taken. This is crazy. 00:13:15.070 --> 00:13:18.790 And if one or two happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. 00:13:19.290 --> 00:13:24.410 Exactly. Yeah. This is too cavalier. And I've always said that it's too damn cavalier. 00:13:24.950 --> 00:13:29.650 You know, this is the same philosophy as people that go and don't buy insurance, 00:13:29.650 --> 00:13:33.530 you know, where they live in a place with hurricanes and they're like, well, 00:13:33.750 --> 00:13:38.110 you know, we had five hurricanes and nothing happened until until a big one 00:13:38.110 --> 00:13:40.810 just winds up, you know, blasting everything to bits. 00:13:41.310 --> 00:13:44.450 And that's the philosophy that they're taking and 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:47.510 i you know i think it's too dangerous 00:13:47.510 --> 00:13:50.410 i i i think that you know they 00:13:50.410 --> 00:13:54.910 could really accomplish a lot of what they're doing without being as cavalier 00:13:54.910 --> 00:14:02.590 as their their people but you know i i mean and honestly you know if we have 00:14:02.590 --> 00:14:07.990 to wait a couple of extra years for some of this stuff it's not the end of the world either then. 00:14:07.990 --> 00:14:09.210 You wait a couple extra years. 00:14:09.210 --> 00:14:12.010 Yeah i just don't i don't i 00:14:12.010 --> 00:14:19.450 don't i don't see the i i don't i don't see the uh the value in the extra risk 00:14:19.450 --> 00:14:27.230 and that was like very yesterday was bad and you know i saw that the faa decided 00:14:27.230 --> 00:14:31.010 to ban them but i'm expecting that that will be lifted like on tuesday well. 00:14:31.010 --> 00:14:35.310 It's it yeah well even so it's pending an investigation and they've. 00:14:35.310 --> 00:14:38.550 Already by the way an investigation what yeah what what are the funniest thing 00:14:38.550 --> 00:14:42.310 is that physical investigation they asked them to do a self-investigation right 00:14:42.310 --> 00:14:46.670 you know which is you know one of the things saying is like yeah we've been 00:14:46.670 --> 00:14:49.650 doing that with bowling how did that fucking turn out well. 00:14:49.650 --> 00:14:53.290 And self-infect I mean they they already have a preliminary like they think 00:14:53.290 --> 00:14:55.530 it was a fuel leak or something didn't they did I see that. 00:14:55.530 --> 00:15:00.310 Yeah it was a oxygen leak I believe in a place that it couldn't be vented and 00:15:00.310 --> 00:15:04.410 so therefore it built up and exploded right oh yeah and Elon was like oh yeah 00:15:04.410 --> 00:15:07.490 yeah no problem we'll just fix it and then we'll launch another one again next 00:15:07.490 --> 00:15:10.070 month which is like okay you know, 00:15:12.400 --> 00:15:17.140 And I'm actually pretty confident that they're going to let them launch it next month. 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:24.580 I would imagine. I mean, you know, the point of, I mean, to be fair here, 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:30.600 the point of an investigation is to fix the problem and iterate and try again. 00:15:30.980 --> 00:15:37.220 If they can, within a month, figure out the problem, fix the problem, iterate. 00:15:37.640 --> 00:15:41.300 Yeah, but I'm sorry. How many of these are blown up? 00:15:42.700 --> 00:15:45.240 Well what this is the eighth right or something this. 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.140 Is yeah it's like seven yeah i'm not i mean i 00:15:48.140 --> 00:15:51.080 don't know like three but not all but 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.800 i think like three of them there was that one 00:15:53.800 --> 00:15:57.140 that had that a spectacular like blast at 00:15:57.140 --> 00:16:00.600 the right at the pad right at the law at the pad they 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.620 had another one that exploded in mid-flight this one in mid-flight so that's 00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:08.940 three off the top of my head that i remember i mean these things just explode 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:13.840 like right now they're just like yeah we'll launch another one i'm like you 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.240 know like i and i yeah i don't you. 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.000 Know how how else are you gonna test it yvonne you know. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.400 Look i guess the good thing is that they're not putting people in there right 00:16:26.400 --> 00:16:31.040 maybe like ah you know we lost a couple of more astronauts oh maybe maybe. 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:35.320 You just need a bigger and larger exclusion zone for the next test until. 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:42.340 You like what like you know what are we going to shut off? The Gulf of Mexico? 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:45.740 I was thinking the Gulf of America. What? 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:48.060 I was thinking the whole planet, but you know. 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.760 Oh, yeah, that's reasonable. Sure. Yeah. 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.520 I mean, you never know which way this thing's going to go, right? 00:16:53.520 --> 00:16:56.640 Well, that's true. Yeah. You know, it could really spin out of control. 00:16:56.820 --> 00:16:57.820 Yeah, for all we know. Yeah. 00:16:58.460 --> 00:17:01.120 You know, next time it's going to hit Antarctica. 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:03.360 Oh, there you go. Yeah. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.940 No, no. You actually have a fairly good idea where they're going to go. 00:17:07.940 --> 00:17:11.160 Yeah i have a fairly good idea where it's going to go but still i mean i'm like 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:16.660 yeah what's i i don't but but it's a long it's a pretty big path um. 00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:21.040 Well and especially when it explodes and especially when it explodes when it 00:17:21.040 --> 00:17:26.200 explodes at high altitude the debris can cover a significant area i mean that's 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:32.960 that yeah that that's why like it's potentially dangerous you know and so yeah 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.960 i don't know i i mean i i think there are advantages, 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.000 to Elon's approach here or SpaceX's. It's not really just Elon. 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:45.400 I mean, it's, but the, there are some advantages that approach, 00:17:45.580 --> 00:17:47.120 but you're absolutely right there. 00:17:47.360 --> 00:17:55.460 It is a conscious decision to play fast and loose with safety in order to iterate faster. 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:01.380 You know, that is a very conscious decision as part of what they do. 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:07.640 I, I feel like they are a little bit more conservative once you have humans 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.500 on board, but a little bit more conservative. 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:14.380 I mean, would it be entirely shocking if at some point, you know, 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.220 SpaceX loses some humans? No, no. 00:18:17.620 --> 00:18:22.900 I mean, NASA was theoretically super careful and slow and blah, 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.280 blah, blah. And they still lost people, you know? 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:28.980 So you want to lose a few astronauts to be like, well, that's a shame. 00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:32.740 OK, yeah, great. But where are the next guys going? Huh? 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:38.820 Yeah, I have noticed like one of the things I pointed out this years ago and 00:18:38.820 --> 00:18:46.680 it still hasn't changed is that the other two billionaires who have space programs, 00:18:47.020 --> 00:18:55.160 Branson with Virgin Galactic and Bezos with Blue Origin, have both ridden on their own spaceships. 00:18:55.280 --> 00:18:58.100 Yes you have elon has 00:18:58.100 --> 00:19:01.820 not ah isn't that interesting now 00:19:01.820 --> 00:19:09.380 i will say for uh look branson was always a branson was always a kazi guy i 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:16.400 mean in terms of like you know doing he broke this transatlantic speed record 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.820 crossing the atlantic on a boat okay and i if i remember correctly, 00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:24.700 one of the attempts failed and the boat sank. It was that bad. 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.780 I mean, then they tried again and he did do it. It was... 00:19:30.340 --> 00:19:39.680 He is one that is willing to put his life on the line on something that is that risky. 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:48.920 So he's done that, but I haven't seen Elon doing that. Not yet, anyway. Anyway. 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:55.520 I was trying to verify. My memory was that Jeff. Yeah, I found some pictures. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.900 Jeff Bezos rode on the one with Shatner and all those folks. 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:02.700 Well, it wasn't the same flight as Shatner, but yes. 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.460 But yeah. 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:09.860 He did ride on. I was pretty sure I remembered it, but I just double checked. 00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:12.260 It wasn't the same flight as Shatner? I thought it was. 00:20:12.540 --> 00:20:13.400 No, no. Different flight. 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:13.700 Okay. 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:19.160 But I mean, he's done a whole bunch of flights with like different celebrities 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.120 and different paying customers and stuff. 00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:27.120 And they also, by the way, since we're talking space milestone things, 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:33.340 Blue Origin successfully launched their first orbital flight this week as well. 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:38.840 No people on board, but they successfully launched something into orbit this 00:20:38.840 --> 00:20:40.480 week for the very first time as well. 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:44.380 All of the other Blue Origin flights are basically straight up and then straight 00:20:44.380 --> 00:20:49.580 down and again, you get a couple of minutes in space and at an altitude that's 00:20:49.580 --> 00:20:52.620 actually debatable, whether it's not in space, certain people consider it. Yes. 00:20:52.760 --> 00:20:56.220 Certain people consider it. No, but like, you know, you know, 00:20:56.300 --> 00:21:00.180 anyway, so, but he wrote on his, same thing for, for Virgin as well, 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:04.740 by the way, the altitude it goes to is sort of in that debatable character territory, 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.740 but cause there's no like uniform. 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:13.180 Everybody agrees definition until you get to orbit. Once you're in orbit, everyone agrees. 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:18.260 So by the way, I double checked about what I said about Richard Branson. I was exactly correct. 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:24.240 Branson's first attempt on the record in a 65 foot twin hull Virgin Atlantic 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.880 Challenger departed New York in June, 1985. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.720 And it was fatally damaged by striking a submerged object only 100 miles from 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:36.380 Bishop's Rock, the intended finishing line, and sank in heavy seas. 00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:41.680 All the crew were saved. Okay. So, by the way, but even after that happened, 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.260 he went next year and tried again. 00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:44.180 Right. 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.500 And he succeeded the next year. To do it, breaking the record. 00:21:47.660 --> 00:21:52.140 So, yeah. So, but yeah, he almost, he went, they hit a submerged object and 00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:56.980 sank, which is one of the reasons why I always avoid trying. 00:21:57.360 --> 00:21:57.760 Submerged objects? 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:01.580 Well, OK, yes. OK, you try to do that. 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:07.520 But more trying to not navigate at night makes it more difficult to observe. 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:14.040 Usually the things that you hit by a submerged object is a floating log or something 00:22:14.040 --> 00:22:15.440 like that that's very big. 00:22:15.580 --> 00:22:19.400 And when you're going at a high speed and you hit something like that, 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.140 it's very likely to cause a whole breach. 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:26.700 Okay you know there could be some very heavy objects like hey you got shipping 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:31.020 containers that went down and other stuff and whatever whatnot you you know you wind up hitting, 00:22:31.620 --> 00:22:34.240 all those things at high speed at night it's at night you're not 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.080 going to see it usually during the day i try to be very observant and 00:22:37.080 --> 00:22:39.820 looking at out you know you're trying to make sure you see 00:22:39.820 --> 00:22:43.260 what the hell is out there but at night you're not going to see shit okay all 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:46.080 right you know you're you're driving through there you're not seeing a damn 00:22:46.080 --> 00:22:49.860 thing radar is not going to pick up submerged object if it's over there whatever 00:22:49.860 --> 00:22:53.380 you're gonna you're gonna smack into whatever the hell it is and go down and 00:22:53.380 --> 00:22:58.380 so you know so but he but yeah he he he tried again and so basis went up and 00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:04.660 elon musk apparently is like no not really i i'm okay i'll send somebody else but anyway yeah. 00:23:04.660 --> 00:23:14.860 Okay so is it my turn so i i i'm gonna note you know and and earlier on, 00:23:18.500 --> 00:23:22.060 I'm very articulate and proud. 00:23:22.060 --> 00:23:23.040 Of my. 00:23:23.040 --> 00:23:25.300 Ability to speak cogently. 00:23:25.300 --> 00:23:27.600 And that. 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:32.300 That is what I was going to talk about no I got to do something this week that 00:23:32.300 --> 00:23:37.720 was pretty cool that I'll just relay and and to start with I'll say presidential 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.680 inaugurations I've actually been to a couple There's a, 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:45.240 there's a one coming up here. And after I was able to vote, 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:51.000 I was actually really proud of myself because I had been to like the first three 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.800 presidential inaugurations after I was able to vote. 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.980 I attended all three, like just in the crowd. So 92, 96. 00:23:57.980 --> 00:23:58.960 You went to W2? 00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:03.420 Yes. 92, 96, and what's 90? And 2000. 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:03.900 2000. 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.120 I went to all three of those. So both Bill Clintons and the first W. 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:15.540 But then 2004, I couldn't make it. I'd already moved down to Florida and it 00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:17.560 just wasn't going to make sense for me to go up there. 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.220 And I was really bummed about that. And then after that, I was like, 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:26.740 you know, I'm no point in ever going again because now I've broken the streak. Right. 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:30.860 And also I lived further away and I moved to the West Coast, blah, blah, blah. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:36.620 But the and it wasn't a thing of like supporting who is getting inaugurated. 00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:39.040 It was like viewing something historic. 00:24:39.520 --> 00:24:41.820 You know, you only get inaugurations. 00:24:41.820 --> 00:24:42.460 Mr. Wolf. 00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:47.200 Well, that was not at an inauguration. That was a separate trip to the White House. 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:49.360 That was a separate trip to the White House? Okay. 00:24:49.540 --> 00:24:57.820 Yes. Yeah. When we met Wolf Blitzer and Jim Bohannon and who else did we do? 00:24:58.780 --> 00:25:01.100 Like Barbara, was it Barbara Walters? 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:01.680 Yeah. 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.940 You weren't there for this one. 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:05.800 I wasn't there for that one, but I remember it was Barbara Walters. 00:25:05.800 --> 00:25:12.620 We met a whole bunch of folks because the White House, I can only assume accidentally, 00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:20.020 invited our college radio station to a event for radio talk show hosts on Hillary 00:25:20.020 --> 00:25:21.160 Clinton's healthcare plan. 00:25:21.820 --> 00:25:26.060 And that's why we were there so we were in a little conference 00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:29.200 room and people came we heard from we heard 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:34.540 from bill clinton he came and talked to us we heard from tipper gore uh oh my 00:25:34.540 --> 00:25:40.060 god tipper gore a whole bunch of people it was a lot of fun but anyway that 00:25:40.060 --> 00:25:44.100 was not an inauguration but for the inaugurations we were just trying to cover 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:48.660 it for the show the first one you were with me for right Yvonne or yeah you went together. 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:49.800 And we got robbed. 00:25:49.800 --> 00:25:54.440 We got robbed we lost our radio equipment because we left it in the van and 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:59.500 somebody broke in and blah blah blah and then I stole the car seat from the 00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:03.400 van that we'd taken out to make room for the equipment and kept that it's still 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:09.180 in my garage to this day it's still there okay it is absolutely still there I guess. 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:14.460 We're past the statute of limitations with avis on the uh well here well the one thing okay. 00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:19.480 We claimed the seat we we told them the seat was seat was stolen as well yeah well the. 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.120 One thing that happened was okay well i returned the van in dc. 00:26:24.120 --> 00:26:24.920 Yes because. 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.280 They broke the window so we couldn't drive back to pittsburgh in that van so. 00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:29.780 The seat. 00:26:29.780 --> 00:26:33.080 Had stayed in pittsburgh because we needed to take out that seat to put make. 00:26:33.080 --> 00:26:33.600 Right for. 00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:35.920 For this for the stuff and so. 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:36.760 Yes all. 00:26:36.760 --> 00:26:40.440 Of a sudden i returned a van because got smashed. They give us another van. 00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:42.200 Amos was very nice about that. 00:26:42.500 --> 00:26:47.260 And then I remember that I go and I drive and I get home and I'm like, oh shit. I got this seat. 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:54.820 Fuck. I got this damn car seat in here. So anyway. 00:26:56.800 --> 00:27:00.540 My insurance paid for it. It's fine. So they got their money. 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:03.300 Thank you, American Express. Everything. 00:27:05.620 --> 00:27:09.560 The point of all this was not anything about attending those inaugurations per se, 00:27:09.780 --> 00:27:15.000 but that one of the things that our little intrepid group of radio people went 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.160 for the first two, I think the first time I went with the radio station folks, 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.860 other times I think I went by myself or with like, 00:27:22.040 --> 00:27:28.440 I think I went with a couple of our friends the second time and just by myself the third time. 00:27:28.600 --> 00:27:34.540 But anyway, the time we went for the radio station, Our friend Rebecca had the 00:27:34.540 --> 00:27:40.120 wonderful thought that, hey, we're going to try to crash some inaugural balls. 00:27:40.560 --> 00:27:41.240 Right. 00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:43.420 Now, of course... 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:49.560 We didn't get so far as even finding one, let alone like crashing it and try 00:27:49.560 --> 00:27:51.540 to get in. And that wasn't going to happen. Right. 00:27:51.860 --> 00:27:55.740 Like they're, they're all have security and guest lists and all this kind of stuff. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.720 But you know, we were, we were young, stupid, naive college kids. 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:03.600 So we were like, we'll find one and we'll just find a party and it'll be fun. 00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:07.340 And like, you know, even if we weren't going, going to find one that had the 00:28:07.340 --> 00:28:12.720 president coming to visit, we were like, there's gotta be a party that we can just find and join. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:20.560 But no we wound up somewhere i don't. 00:28:20.560 --> 00:28:25.680 Remember where exactly we wound up but it wasn't anywhere with anything nearly that exciting as a. 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:32.220 No no we we stayed at the night at my dad's house and you know i'm sure we went 00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:38.540 to a restaurant or something you know whatever but anyway so this week. 00:28:38.820 --> 00:28:43.100 I did not, you know, the presidential inauguration is next week. I'm not going. 00:28:43.320 --> 00:28:47.560 It's not next week. It's like a couple of days away as we're recording this, 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.680 but I'm not going to that. 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:56.880 But I got to go to the inaugural ball for the governor here in Washington state. 00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.440 Now I will add though, my wife as 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.800 a state representative got free tickets to this thing i 00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:06.760 got in not because of that but because we actually paid 00:29:06.760 --> 00:29:09.440 for me turns out like you can just you you could just 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.440 pay and go because yeah they sell 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.920 they sell tickets to the damn thing for some like i 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.120 forget which chamber of commerce or somebody put it 00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:22.020 on and and sells tickets and it goes to them 00:29:22.020 --> 00:29:29.140 or whatever anyway so you could just buy it and and and but so i i she got the 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:34.960 free freebie as an elected official to go in but we did pay for me to go in 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:41.160 so I could be her like eye candy and it was a black tie thing so I you ran into the tux? 00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:48.450 Well, I did not rent a suit, but I bought a new black suit. It wasn't really a top. 00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:49.010 Okay, there you go. 00:29:49.190 --> 00:29:56.470 The guidelines said black tie or, you know, a nice black suit's good enough. 00:29:56.790 --> 00:29:59.070 You know, they weren't like too picky on it. 00:29:59.430 --> 00:30:01.170 Get up, get your bow tie. 00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:09.050 No, you know, I almost did. But I went with like a little purple tie that went with Brandy's dress. 00:30:09.050 --> 00:30:11.930 Or actually not her dress with with her hair because she's 00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:14.890 got purple in her hair so okay went to coordinate that 00:30:14.890 --> 00:30:17.830 that way but no so i got i got a haircut 00:30:17.830 --> 00:30:23.950 i shaved for the first time in well over 15 years it was sometime before alex 00:30:23.950 --> 00:30:30.090 was born was last time i'm thinking it was 17 or 18 years and uh we got to go 00:30:30.090 --> 00:30:35.210 and and so we got we go into the thing it's super crowded like the first thing you go into, 00:30:35.330 --> 00:30:37.950 there's like this tent thing in front of the state capitol. 00:30:38.570 --> 00:30:43.050 And that's where like the food was and stuff like that. And I go in and I'm 00:30:43.050 --> 00:30:48.050 like, well, this isn't all that impressive. I thought it would be like somewhere fancy and nice. 00:30:48.170 --> 00:30:52.190 And it's like in some catering tent, but you know, then you, 00:30:52.310 --> 00:30:55.590 you hang a left from there and you go into the actual capitol building, 00:30:55.670 --> 00:30:58.890 which is, I, and I've been in the capitol building a number of times, 00:30:59.070 --> 00:31:02.650 including earlier that week, I went to my wife swearing in for her third term. 00:31:03.550 --> 00:31:05.470 You know, it was her third swearing in. 00:31:05.550 --> 00:31:08.510 She had half a term and then she was reelected twice. 00:31:08.670 --> 00:31:13.070 She was appointed, served half a term and then reelected twice. 00:31:13.310 --> 00:31:19.090 So it was her third swearing in. The first one was at a judge's office in the 00:31:19.090 --> 00:31:24.330 middle of the night at some courtroom that we were able to get into right after 00:31:24.330 --> 00:31:26.870 she was appointed, middle of the night. It was like 10 p.m. or something. 00:31:27.590 --> 00:31:32.390 But, and then the other ones were in the state Capitol in a house building and 00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:34.330 they did the blah, blah, blah. And I was there. 00:31:34.570 --> 00:31:37.330 So I've been to the state Capitol a number of times, impressive building, 00:31:37.490 --> 00:31:39.870 fancy building, nice building, lots of marble, et cetera. 00:31:40.110 --> 00:31:44.170 And we go up into, into the rotunda and it looks good, but it's super crowded. 00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:47.850 And apparently there were speeches. The governor said something, 00:31:48.090 --> 00:31:54.170 various other people said something, but we did not really do that because my 00:31:54.170 --> 00:31:56.970 wife also was not happy with the crowds. 00:31:56.990 --> 00:32:01.270 Like I'm not a big crowd person and she does, she, she doesn't seem to mind 00:32:01.270 --> 00:32:04.610 crowds when we like go to a concert or something, but she did not like these 00:32:04.610 --> 00:32:05.890 crowds and was ready to get out. 00:32:06.330 --> 00:32:11.210 And in part, because every five feet, someone would be recognizing in her and 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:14.030 go, Oh, representative Donaghy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:32:14.270 --> 00:32:19.130 You know? And so very quickly we were, you have to be on. 00:32:19.330 --> 00:32:21.290 You have to be on a lot. 00:32:21.650 --> 00:32:26.090 Yeah. So it wasn't just like the crowd, like, you know, if you're in a concert, 00:32:26.230 --> 00:32:28.110 you're in a crowd, but you're anonymous, right? 00:32:28.310 --> 00:32:34.010 Like this, you're not, but yeah, she, she had to be on and talking to people and blah, blah, blah. 00:32:34.370 --> 00:32:37.890 And so very quickly after like 15, 00:32:38.110 --> 00:32:45.490 20 minutes, we escaped to the parts of the Capitol that were only open to people 00:32:45.490 --> 00:32:49.670 who had like the badges, you know, for, for being there. 00:32:50.030 --> 00:32:55.430 And so, so, you know, and it was a lot quieter there, but not completely quiet 00:32:55.430 --> 00:32:59.190 because a lot of the other elected officials and their staffs and all those 00:32:59.190 --> 00:33:01.250 were also escaping similarly. 00:33:02.110 --> 00:33:10.790 So, you know, and so we talked to a bunch of other elected officials of both parties, by the way. 00:33:11.370 --> 00:33:15.250 There was a section where we went in because it was just the way to get past 00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:19.270 something. We went in on the Republican side of the building and we're, you know, 00:33:19.780 --> 00:33:24.820 There are friendly greetings the whole way. It's like we ran into some Republicans. 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.540 Oh, Brandy, great to see you here. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:29.800 Oh, it's your husband. Nice to meet you. Blah, blah, blah. 00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:34.760 You know, so is and then and then we went over to the Democratic side and, 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.060 you know, a bunch of Brandy's colleagues. 00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:43.440 And it was really, I'm not going to get into any of the detailed conversations because, you know, 00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:54.400 but the, it was very interesting because it was sort of flipping back and forth between, Hey, 00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:59.060 this is just a bunch of friends hanging out and drinking and having a party and having fun. 00:33:59.060 --> 00:34:03.100 Because of course all these people have like alcohol stashed in their offices 00:34:03.100 --> 00:34:10.540 you know and so like there's just you know constantly people are partying people are drinking. 00:34:11.580 --> 00:34:16.820 They're chatting and so it would it would veer between a bunch of friends hanging 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:22.140 out and talking and then all of a sudden it would switch to okay let's talk 00:34:22.140 --> 00:34:26.700 about the specifics of this bill that i'm trying to run and like i in here here's 00:34:26.700 --> 00:34:29.520 this policy issue what do you think about this? Can we change this? 00:34:29.660 --> 00:34:33.300 What would make sense in order to get this to go through? And so it's like it 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:37.400 flipped between business and pleasure multiple times. 00:34:38.560 --> 00:34:46.560 And at one point, I don't understand exactly how it was happening, but suddenly myself, 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.120 my wife, and one other person were hanging out with the Speaker of the House 00:34:51.120 --> 00:34:54.240 in the Speaker of the House's office for like half an hour, just chatting. 00:34:54.460 --> 00:35:00.280 Yeah. It was, it was, it was just weird. It was fun. It was weird. I enjoyed it. 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.220 I, you know, I, I, I dressed up in the little suit, you know, 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.460 my wife was dressed up all nice too. 00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:11.840 You know, we, we ended up like we had to leave because. 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:18.460 The security guards came and said, look, guys, we can't leave until you leave 00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:25.320 because, Because, and they couldn't technically kick us out because we were 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.560 the elected representatives and it's there. 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.520 I'm not, but like my wife and a bunch of other people were. 00:35:32.220 --> 00:35:36.520 But they were like, it's one in the morning. We'd like to go home. 00:35:37.220 --> 00:35:39.800 Could you guys wrap it up, please? 00:35:40.580 --> 00:35:45.500 So, yeah. But anyway, it was fun. I got to go to an inaugural ball. 00:35:45.660 --> 00:35:49.520 It was for a governor, not for a president. But, you know, it's still fun. 00:35:50.200 --> 00:35:54.640 You know, and I, and because we skipped out on the actual speeches and stuff, 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:59.340 I did not get to hear the new governor say whatever he said at the inaugural ball. 00:35:59.580 --> 00:36:03.680 I mean, it wasn't his official inaugural address that happened earlier at the 00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:06.180 day. And I didn't, didn't go to that. 00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:09.540 My wife had to sit there and listen to it as part of her job. 00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:14.640 I have, I have met the new governor before at various events over the last year. 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:20.020 Cause like, that's just part of my life now, which I'm highly amused by because 00:36:20.020 --> 00:36:23.400 Because of my wife and the fact that she's an elected official, 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.780 I keep getting to meet people. 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:33.660 So I've met our representatives. I've met our – like she personally knows like 00:36:33.660 --> 00:36:40.100 most of – maybe not most of – a lot of representatives like to the U.S. House. 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.880 She knows personally, texts back and forth with them. 00:36:44.020 --> 00:36:48.500 A friend of hers was just elected to the House, and she knew a couple others before. 00:36:49.160 --> 00:36:54.220 I've met at least one of our senators, if not both. I've met the last governor. 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:55.480 I've met the new governor. 00:36:55.900 --> 00:37:02.200 I met Kamala Harris's husband at one of these things. She got to hang out with 00:37:02.200 --> 00:37:03.660 Bill and Hillary Clinton once. 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:08.500 Oh, yeah, we heard from Hillary, too, when we were at the White House. 00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:12.680 We heard from both Clintons and both Gores, I think, too, actually. 00:37:14.040 --> 00:37:18.920 Anyway, it was fun. I just wanted to note that and, and, and the, 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:22.780 the weird, the weird thing with the thing I'm always like, actually, 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.040 I'll just put it out there. 00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:27.960 I'm super impressed by my wife when I go to these things because, 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:34.460 you know, of the politicking, like she's going around, she's talking policy, 00:37:34.720 --> 00:37:36.520 she's talking details of bills. 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.820 She's like, you know, yeah. 00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:45.570 Making friends and influencing people as they say, like, you know, she's, she's, you know, 00:37:45.890 --> 00:37:51.230 making things happen and she's pushing various things that, and the thing is, 00:37:51.350 --> 00:37:58.010 and she knows the stuff backwards and forwards, like it, cause she's one of the ones that like, 00:37:58.690 --> 00:38:01.630 and I've heard some of the other, she's a wonk. 00:38:01.750 --> 00:38:04.930 And I've heard some of the others comment even like, you know, 00:38:05.310 --> 00:38:09.950 about how she reads the damn bills, you know. 00:38:11.850 --> 00:38:16.150 And she's one of the ones that'll like pull out something and say like, 00:38:16.270 --> 00:38:20.910 you know, on page 30 of this thing, there's this clause that doesn't make any sense. 00:38:20.910 --> 00:38:25.070 We need to rip this sucker out before it goes out or we need to fix it because 00:38:25.070 --> 00:38:27.430 this will become a problem down the line. 00:38:27.590 --> 00:38:30.990 You know, anyway, kudos to my wife. 00:38:31.330 --> 00:38:34.910 I'm always impressed when I go to these things. And it was fun to like, 00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:39.530 you know, dress up and see people that like. 00:38:39.950 --> 00:38:44.030 Do things and in a fancy building. Although most of the time we were in the 00:38:44.030 --> 00:38:47.790 back rooms that were less fancy, but so, but yeah, and it was, 00:38:47.890 --> 00:38:50.350 it was fun. Okay. That's it for me. 00:38:50.930 --> 00:38:55.170 And that means it's time to take a break. And when we come back, 00:38:55.390 --> 00:38:58.870 Yvonne, we'll pick a serious topic. The first break. 00:38:59.790 --> 00:39:03.990 Yeah. I have surprised him. See, I gave you a warning there. You have the time. 00:39:04.550 --> 00:39:04.650 Yeah. 00:39:06.810 --> 00:39:09.930 He's like, I what I have to do. What I have to do. 00:39:09.930 --> 00:39:10.510 Yeah. 00:39:11.090 --> 00:39:15.010 Anyway, our first break is a random wiki of the day. Here we go. 00:39:15.750 --> 00:39:20.830 Do do do. Hello, this is Standard Amy. 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So first of all, just for reference, I still have an iPhone 12 series, 00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:22.590 so I don't get any of the Apple intelligence stuff. i haven't oh i've iphone 12 pro i thought you. 00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:23.450 Got a new phone. 00:41:23.450 --> 00:41:26.730 No no no i i've i've 00:41:26.730 --> 00:41:29.870 been i did i debated it a little bit but i the 00:41:29.870 --> 00:41:32.710 conclusion i keep coming to is this one's still working fine i don't 00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:35.610 need to yet i'll i'll wait until the damn 00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:38.870 thing breaks or there's something really really compelling that 00:41:38.870 --> 00:41:44.710 i'm like oh my god i need that and nothing about like the new nothing about 00:41:44.710 --> 00:41:50.550 The features that are available to the 15 and 16 that are not available to the 00:41:50.550 --> 00:41:56.490 12 has yet made me feel like compelled that I have to upgrade. 00:41:57.240 --> 00:41:57.680 Okay. 00:41:58.540 --> 00:42:03.180 Because I still get the newest iOS. I still get the newest iOS. 00:42:03.180 --> 00:42:07.440 It's just some of the features. Well, here's the question. So do you have the 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.040 new mail classification, though? 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:10.920 I do. I do. 00:42:11.060 --> 00:42:12.900 Okay, so you do have that. Okay. 00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:17.980 And so I can speak about it. I put it on the list. 00:42:18.820 --> 00:42:23.340 Yes, I know you did. I had not put it up. I had thought about it to talk about 00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.260 it, but I had not put it up. But you did. 00:42:25.660 --> 00:42:32.100 I mean, here's something. mail to me is not like email specifically. 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:32.920 Yeah. 00:42:33.140 --> 00:42:35.400 It is now a horrid chore. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:36.400 Yeah. 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.880 I have, I have my own domain. I don't use Gmail or anything like that. 00:42:41.020 --> 00:42:47.700 And it is, I've used the same email address for something like 25 years now. 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:48.100 Yeah. 00:42:48.160 --> 00:42:51.320 It has been around a long, long time. 00:42:51.560 --> 00:43:01.400 And so the reality of what that produces is that. 99% of the mail I get is fucking spam. Okay? 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:09.300 I'm gonna go like I recently with the help of this classification I have been 00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:15.380 able to filter like my daily email down to where it's a manageable number of 00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:17.500 messages in my inbox. Okay? 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.560 Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. But I'm saying this to give you perspective on the 00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:25.160 email deluge that you're talking about. 00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:32.540 OK, a couple of weeks ago, I went and I I cleared out all my email read and 00:43:32.540 --> 00:43:35.220 I also did it the same for my junk mailbox. 00:43:35.620 --> 00:43:40.220 OK, I want to see how many junk messages I'm getting, like, you know, 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:42.060 how quickly they're piling it. 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.140 So from let me see the date. 00:43:46.450 --> 00:43:52.930 From January 6th to today, which that is how many days? We're talking about 11 days. Okay. 00:43:53.610 --> 00:43:59.630 How many junk messages do you think I got in 11 days? Take a number. What do you think? 00:44:00.110 --> 00:44:00.530 A thousand. 00:44:00.950 --> 00:44:04.270 1,219 messages. 00:44:04.670 --> 00:44:12.430 How the hell? Who the hell could manage through this ridiculous deluge of shit? 00:44:12.950 --> 00:44:15.010 I mean, that's just... 00:44:16.870 --> 00:44:20.330 And here's where I was. So before this Apple Mail update, 00:44:20.590 --> 00:44:27.730 I'll tell you, I had on the before the Apple Mail update, there was no the spam 00:44:27.730 --> 00:44:32.390 filtering that was available in the Apple Mail ecosystem was on the desktop 00:44:32.390 --> 00:44:34.550 client and you had to turn it on. 00:44:34.790 --> 00:44:40.730 Well, it was on by default. But, and I also had at my, at my hosting company, 00:44:40.870 --> 00:44:45.150 the one that has my email domain, ablsmay.com, A-B-U-L-S-M-E, 00:44:45.290 --> 00:44:46.930 if anybody wants to send me even more spam, 00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:51.330 you know, also had a spam filtering solution on it. 00:44:51.330 --> 00:44:57.330 The server side spam filtering solution was so bad. 00:44:57.570 --> 00:45:04.410 I had to turn it off. And by bad, I mean real mail going to junk. Okay. 00:45:04.930 --> 00:45:12.190 Cause it's one thing when spam ends up in your mailbox, but when real mail goes 00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:15.490 to junk, that is more problematic. 00:45:15.850 --> 00:45:16.850 Yes. Yes. 00:45:17.010 --> 00:45:20.670 You know, I mean, and, and it was also like, 00:45:21.330 --> 00:45:27.270 Somewhere I had turned off every option to auto delete spam that I could find, 00:45:27.470 --> 00:45:32.530 but, but things in the spam folder were still getting auto deleted at some point. 00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:39.350 So like I was actually, there was mail that I wanted that I waited too long and was gone. 00:45:40.020 --> 00:45:45.740 OK, there were also for some reason there was mail that was I had a problem 00:45:45.740 --> 00:45:50.020 for a while that there was mail that was like once or I'll tell you, 00:45:50.140 --> 00:45:54.380 and this is not related to Apple's mail app. I'm pretty sure it was related to my server. 00:45:54.720 --> 00:45:58.900 But for a few months, I had a problem where like I would I would come. 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:01.660 I would open my mail app, usually on my desktop. 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.180 I would see some mail. I want it. 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.820 Yeah, I would move. I would move to go click on it. Like it had just come in. 00:46:11.080 --> 00:46:14.820 I saw it show up at the top of my mailbox and it would disappear. 00:46:15.580 --> 00:46:20.180 And then I would go searching for it and it would not be in my spam and it would 00:46:20.180 --> 00:46:21.680 not be fucking anywhere. 00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:26.460 And I'm like, and like sometimes this was like the security codes. 00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:31.840 Like when you, you, you, somebody mails you a security code for two factor authentication. 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.960 And I couldn't find the damn thing. And I'm like, it's gone. 00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:42.100 What the fuck? And, and so I, And I'm anal about keeping every email I ever receive. 00:46:42.380 --> 00:46:45.760 I have for years. I eventually started deleting spam. 00:46:46.580 --> 00:46:50.320 Like it's been like, I've deleted spam for like 15, 20 years now. 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.180 But before that, I was keeping every spam message too. 00:46:53.540 --> 00:46:54.260 My God. 00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:58.840 What? 00:46:59.680 --> 00:47:00.200 What? 00:47:00.500 --> 00:47:04.360 You're deleting. I'm shocked. You're deleting spam. This is you. 00:47:04.600 --> 00:47:08.340 I know. A couple times I've regretted it. And I was like, you know, 00:47:08.420 --> 00:47:12.440 if I hadn't started deleting spam, I'd have this rich data set to do an analysis 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.480 going back 25 years. But no. Anyway. 00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:20.340 No, no. What we really needed was that you should have printed them all. 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.260 We should have kept printing them all. 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.100 Printed the spam. Yes. 00:47:24.580 --> 00:47:25.960 Yes. Yes, yes. 00:47:26.020 --> 00:47:29.800 Make a real spam folder. Here's my spam folder. 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.900 Yes, here's your spam folder. Well, a spam folder, spam garage. 00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:37.580 Basically, at this point, it would just fill up the whole garage. 00:47:38.600 --> 00:47:43.440 Okay, anyway, my point was, getting back to the mail app. 00:47:43.580 --> 00:47:47.840 So I turned off my server-side spam filtering because it was sending real mail 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:49.740 to spam on a regular basis. 00:47:50.540 --> 00:47:54.760 I still had the spam filtering in Apple's desktop mail app. 00:47:55.100 --> 00:48:01.540 And in, in Apple's desktop mail app, I also had dozens of rules that would pre 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:04.300 move sort of folders that. 00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:04.520 Yeah. 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.440 Yeah. I had, I had all sorts of rules to move things into folders based on like, 00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:11.320 Hey, if it's from these addresses, put it here. 00:48:11.500 --> 00:48:17.640 My goal and all of that was try to make it. So my main inbox was only human beings. 00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:18.360 Yeah. 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.440 Like no, no, nothing automated. 00:48:21.940 --> 00:48:22.640 Yeah. Yeah. 00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:28.240 No, even mail I wanted, like confirmation emails and stuff, I did not want that 00:48:28.240 --> 00:48:30.460 in my main inbox. I had a folder for that. 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.540 You wanted email that was sent by people. Okay. 00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:36.340 Yeah, I wanted my main inbox to be human beings. 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:41.080 Now, they could be human beings at companies that I interacted with or for school 00:48:41.080 --> 00:48:46.620 or whatever, but I wanted them to be from actual human beings typing in something and hitting send. 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:53.180 But I was failing even at that. And at a certain point, like I was like, 00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:57.710 I was not getting messages. So I turned off most of those rules. 00:48:57.710 --> 00:49:02.670 I turned, I turned off the Apple mail, even the Apple mail spam. 00:49:02.850 --> 00:49:06.490 Cause I was still missing some stuff. And I was like, maybe it's coming from that. I don't know. 00:49:06.890 --> 00:49:12.610 But then I was like really excited about this, like this automatic categorization 00:49:12.610 --> 00:49:16.650 that, that Apple was going to launch in, in mail. 00:49:16.970 --> 00:49:22.530 Cause I was like, maybe like they've got a primary, they've got transactions, 00:49:22.530 --> 00:49:24.810 they've got updates, they've got promotions. 00:49:25.170 --> 00:49:30.690 Maybe with all of that kind of stuff, when I look at those filtered zones, 00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:32.690 they will all make sense. 00:49:32.930 --> 00:49:33.510 Yeah. 00:49:33.990 --> 00:49:40.370 And, but here, my actual experience with it is, God damn it, 00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:42.850 you need another one of these filters for spam. 00:49:43.610 --> 00:49:48.230 Because every single one of these categories still has tons of spam in it. 00:49:48.230 --> 00:49:52.250 Okay. Well, okay. So maybe, okay. 00:49:52.510 --> 00:50:00.370 Let me say something about this. I think that I am on iCloud. 00:50:00.370 --> 00:50:01.210 I mean, to be clear. 00:50:01.290 --> 00:50:02.190 For my email. Wait, wait, wait. 00:50:02.370 --> 00:50:02.650 Hang on. 00:50:02.890 --> 00:50:04.490 I'm using iCloud for my email. 00:50:04.490 --> 00:50:09.170 Yes, iCloud has additional server-side spam filtering that I don't have from my domain. 00:50:09.370 --> 00:50:15.370 I have Apple Mail, too. I do have an iCloud Mail as well, but I don't use it 00:50:15.370 --> 00:50:17.990 as my primary, and it doesn't get as much of this stuff either. 00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:24.050 All right, so iCloud does have that, and the reality is that on mine on the 00:50:24.050 --> 00:50:31.350 phone, I've got the stuff going to junk that is just junk that I don't even want to see, 00:50:31.410 --> 00:50:34.750 and then I've got all this stuff sorted, okay? 00:50:34.750 --> 00:50:35.730 So 00:50:35.730 --> 00:50:38.790 It's not just unfiltered I've got. 00:50:38.790 --> 00:50:40.090 That where. 00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:47.950 It's already downsizing to just stuff been doing over the last couple of years 00:50:47.950 --> 00:50:52.610 a pretty decent job of tagging what the fuck I don't want to say okay. 00:50:52.610 --> 00:50:56.210 And I recognize that like 00:50:56.210 --> 00:50:59.090 one way to look at this is that that's 00:50:59.090 --> 00:51:02.050 the server's job and iCloud is apparently doing 00:51:02.050 --> 00:51:05.050 an okay job for you and my mail host 00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:07.770 is doing a crappy job which is why i had to turn it 00:51:07.770 --> 00:51:10.510 off because i didn't want to lose the mail it was 00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:13.290 sending to spam that was actually good stuff right and so 00:51:13.290 --> 00:51:16.310 of course i have more spam in my inbox duh that's my 00:51:16.310 --> 00:51:19.370 own choice i need to get a better mail server 00:51:19.370 --> 00:51:23.470 and move my stuff over which i have thought for a while but it's just such a 00:51:23.470 --> 00:51:27.850 pain in the ass because it's not such a pain my my entire family has mail on 00:51:27.850 --> 00:51:32.750 the domain and i have a bunch of aliases that like send like to both me and 00:51:32.750 --> 00:51:36.670 my wife or to the whole family or stuff like that set up. 00:51:36.790 --> 00:51:41.250 And I actually looked at iCloud does let you put stuff on your own domain and 00:51:41.250 --> 00:51:44.910 have a couple addresses, but they don't do the alias things like the last I 00:51:44.910 --> 00:51:46.010 checked. I haven't checked recently. 00:51:46.070 --> 00:51:49.870 No, I got aliases. I got a couple of, I got a couple of aliases made for me. 00:51:50.790 --> 00:51:54.470 No, like that sent to multiple people. I'm talking about like. 00:51:54.550 --> 00:51:59.950 Oh no, I got aliases for me for certain things, but I don't know if it's a multiple people. 00:52:00.510 --> 00:52:05.270 I'm talking about setting up an alias. I can be like, no, no, no, I gotcha. 00:52:05.950 --> 00:52:09.170 Yeah. I can have one address that goes to the whole family kind of thing. 00:52:09.950 --> 00:52:12.730 Anyway. So I haven't looked recently 00:52:12.730 --> 00:52:15.390 and it would be a pain in the ass to migrate because I have to like. 00:52:15.450 --> 00:52:17.910 It's a lot of change it. I get it. Yeah. 00:52:18.430 --> 00:52:22.410 Because it's not just if it was just me it would be easy but because i have 00:52:22.410 --> 00:52:25.890 the whole family on this damn thing i have to go to all their devices and change 00:52:25.890 --> 00:52:29.610 their settings too when i do this and there's a transition period where you 00:52:29.610 --> 00:52:32.950 have to move all the stuff off the old server get it on the new server unless 00:52:32.950 --> 00:52:36.990 you're going to lose stuff blah blah it's a pain and i can see how it's a major. 00:52:36.990 --> 00:52:37.750 Pain yes yeah. 00:52:37.750 --> 00:52:42.750 I don't have time for that shit so but i think i think there's a role for the 00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:48.070 mail client here too yeah okay fine you want server side spam filtering but 00:52:48.070 --> 00:52:53.490 the mail client as well should be smart enough to know okay let let me look 00:52:53.490 --> 00:52:55.550 at my primary category right now, 00:52:56.390 --> 00:53:03.030 okay that's those there are a couple first of all it's it is the primary category 00:53:03.030 --> 00:53:06.730 itself is better than it's pretty good it's it's no this. 00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:08.130 Is this is. 00:53:08.130 --> 00:53:10.690 I'm gonna listen the primary category. 00:53:10.690 --> 00:53:15.090 Without even without and i've done some training because you can tell it start 00:53:15.090 --> 00:53:19.390 telling it hey this is not primary hey this is primary and so forth so you can 00:53:19.390 --> 00:53:25.490 start training it look that in and of itself was a revelation i i thought. 00:53:25.490 --> 00:53:30.890 So so so what what's the training just when you move it out of the category there is somewhere. 00:53:30.890 --> 00:53:34.830 There where there is where if you take a message and you can select hey this 00:53:34.830 --> 00:53:39.910 is not this category this is the other category and voila i'll start putting them there. 00:53:40.690 --> 00:53:41.870 Oh, categorize sender? 00:53:42.430 --> 00:53:42.870 Yes. 00:53:43.210 --> 00:53:44.610 Yeah, categorize sender. 00:53:45.190 --> 00:53:49.810 And that will start saying, oh, you don't want that one in here. 00:53:49.810 --> 00:53:51.450 You want it in promotions. Okay, fine. 00:53:52.030 --> 00:53:57.150 All I'm saying... Well, junk is not a category in categorize sender. 00:53:57.310 --> 00:53:58.410 I've got it up on my screen right now. 00:53:58.410 --> 00:54:03.110 The thing is that because I have it on iCloud, I have a category as junk. Yes. 00:54:03.450 --> 00:54:06.030 Oh, man. You know... 00:54:07.090 --> 00:54:08.730 They need to make that work. 00:54:10.890 --> 00:54:14.990 So yeah, junk right there. I'm upset. I am. I am. 00:54:15.190 --> 00:54:20.330 Well, I have moved to junk, but it's in the I can I move stuff to junk all the time. 00:54:20.430 --> 00:54:23.670 But in that categorized sender stuff, one of the categories. 00:54:23.970 --> 00:54:28.530 Well, no, you categorize. But the thing is that if you select one to move to 00:54:28.530 --> 00:54:32.450 if I and on my on iCloud, if I selected to move to junk. 00:54:32.870 --> 00:54:35.310 OK, it's either those categories or junk. 00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:44.690 Yeah so i i have not maybe move to junk is slowly training like the mobile device to move it but i don't. 00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:48.230 Think i don't i don't know i don't think it is i think this is because it's 00:54:48.230 --> 00:54:53.370 on icloud i'm going to server i know that's been working because that's the 00:54:53.370 --> 00:54:57.270 way that i've been making sure that and and it's like sending it to junk on 00:54:57.270 --> 00:55:04.210 whatever device i'm i'm using so i mean i'm logging into So that email odd by, you know. 00:55:04.390 --> 00:55:08.250 So let me just give an example. 00:55:08.890 --> 00:55:13.770 And I think it does need junk, but even if it didn't have junk, 00:55:14.010 --> 00:55:25.470 it should know that something titled Consumer Survey from sdqsd at bnd.floristnct.com 00:55:25.470 --> 00:55:29.010 that says your last chance to claim your reward, 00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:35.550 Fill in a short survey to get your award with a giant image of a Dell computer 00:55:35.550 --> 00:55:39.970 that is clearly not actually from Dell. 00:55:40.250 --> 00:55:44.090 This offer is brought to you by Jalen Eaton. 00:55:45.370 --> 00:55:47.670 You're saying that that's, you know. 00:55:49.370 --> 00:55:53.850 This does not belong in my primary, no matter what. 00:55:54.430 --> 00:55:58.370 Are you sure? I mean, come on. Aren't you really sure? I mean, 00:55:58.430 --> 00:56:00.710 come on, you want that Dell computer. 00:56:01.010 --> 00:56:04.830 I mean, come on. This is the opportunity of a lifetime that you've been waiting 00:56:04.830 --> 00:56:07.390 for to get this free Dell. 00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:14.870 Exactly. And all I'm saying is that there should be like. 00:56:15.680 --> 00:56:20.320 I recognize again, again, okay. My problem is I'm not using iCloud for this. 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:25.520 I'm not using Gmail. I'm using some, I'm using the same folks I use for my website 00:56:25.520 --> 00:56:28.000 hosting and mail is not their specialty. 00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:33.520 And so they've got some default crappy spam filtering that didn't work very well. 00:56:33.660 --> 00:56:39.260 I understand, but the mail client can help here at the very least, 00:56:39.260 --> 00:56:46.360 put it into a suspected junk if you're not like, like routing it to an actual junk folder. 00:56:46.560 --> 00:56:54.320 Cause like, yeah, there is a, I do have a junk folder at my, at that mail server too. 00:56:54.680 --> 00:56:58.300 Like you can move stuff. I would give you permission if you were good. 00:56:59.160 --> 00:57:04.640 And you know, and the other categories, by the way, are, are worse. 00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:07.660 Like if I go into transactions, okay. 00:57:08.020 --> 00:57:15.840 First one, daily headlines, something I've never signed up for. Senior perks. 00:57:16.160 --> 00:57:19.200 Thank you for properly identifying me as an old person. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.920 The Voltex heated vest. 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.520 Hey, I think a senior perks. I mean, come on that they've got you. 00:57:26.520 --> 00:57:36.620 You know yeah something from jeff research jeff research emerald map reports come on. 00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:40.060 The emerald the emeralds i mean come on. 00:57:40.060 --> 00:57:46.640 Oh oh here's another golden opportunity here's one from demo dennis hammer which 00:57:46.640 --> 00:57:50.920 is a fake paypal receipt for an iphone in australian dollars. 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:52.840 Yeah. 00:57:53.100 --> 00:57:54.680 And these are all your primary. 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.580 No, I've moved on to transactions now. 00:57:57.720 --> 00:58:01.340 Oh, that's a transaction. Well, that sounds like a transaction, but you got a receipt. 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:08.420 Yeah. Yeah. I got a receipt for the Australian iPhone. I didn't order via PayPal. 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:09.360 Yeah. 00:58:09.770 --> 00:58:16.970 And, you know, updates is even worse. It's just my, my, my point is like, 00:58:17.290 --> 00:58:21.490 okay, we're getting with all of this Gen AI shit. 00:58:22.010 --> 00:58:28.250 The one thing that you'd think they could apply this to that would actually be useful. 00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:30.890 Do my fucking spam filtering. 00:58:31.170 --> 00:58:31.510 All right. 00:58:31.730 --> 00:58:32.350 And get it right. 00:58:32.350 --> 00:58:40.790 All right. Well, unfortunately, my spam filtering is a lot more effective than yours. 00:58:41.370 --> 00:58:43.650 It's taken a lot of time to get there. 00:58:44.590 --> 00:58:49.070 And listen, I will tell you that I had a lot of difficulties over the years. 00:58:49.170 --> 00:58:53.390 There were some years that the spam filtering at Apple was just not working 00:58:53.390 --> 00:58:59.630 at all. I had a fight with Apple support over that where all of a sudden one 00:58:59.630 --> 00:59:02.390 of the OS updates, the spam filtering stopped working. 00:59:02.770 --> 00:59:08.810 And I was like furious. And I did hammer at them for months until apparently 00:59:08.810 --> 00:59:11.830 development finally rolled out a patch that fixed it. Okay. 00:59:12.150 --> 00:59:17.070 But I kept hammering them. I'm like, I had a case open. I'm like, this is bullshit. 00:59:17.370 --> 00:59:21.550 I'm using your damn spam filter, whatever. Now all of them are just going into 00:59:21.550 --> 00:59:25.990 my email inbox. This is it. So eventually they did fix it. 00:59:27.050 --> 00:59:32.390 But yeah, I mean, I definitely mine. If I look at my let's see, 00:59:32.510 --> 00:59:34.330 let's look at my primary. Okay. 00:59:34.610 --> 00:59:38.950 Oh, and by the way, I go to promote. I guess the closest thing is promotions 00:59:38.950 --> 00:59:42.070 because my promotions is basically all spam. 00:59:42.490 --> 00:59:47.390 Well, not even there. There are a couple of things in promotions that are legitimate 00:59:47.390 --> 00:59:51.830 email from my son's school is ending up in promotions. okay so but. 00:59:51.830 --> 00:59:53.330 You can change that as a category. 00:59:53.330 --> 00:59:58.130 I i know i can change that one so at least that one but like i guess i could 00:59:58.130 --> 01:00:03.090 consider promotions to be spam and just train it so all spam is promotions yeah, 01:00:03.570 --> 01:00:08.470 Yeah, because like I never want I practically never want a real promotion. 01:00:08.790 --> 01:00:11.330 So maybe that's the right way to think about it. Promotion. 01:00:11.710 --> 01:00:14.970 I'm looking at this over here and the ones that I have over here, 01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:19.190 like I have an open support case with plume because one of the pods they sent 01:00:19.190 --> 01:00:20.490 me the new ones is defective. 01:00:20.910 --> 01:00:25.130 OK, I did get notified. I want in primary like a notification. 01:00:25.310 --> 01:00:26.770 Hey, I logged on to my Apple ID. 01:00:27.130 --> 01:00:31.590 So I've got that. OK, I got my notifications from American Express. 01:00:31.590 --> 01:00:34.490 Hey your card was not present for a purchase i'm like okay 01:00:34.490 --> 01:00:37.530 i want to know that my tax documents from charles 01:00:37.530 --> 01:00:42.410 schlubb i want that in my primary okay all right i i want that i apparently 01:00:42.410 --> 01:00:47.890 somebody has been trying very ardently to hack into my hertz account i keep 01:00:47.890 --> 01:00:54.190 getting notifications of my 2fa for hertz repeatedly over and over which i'm 01:00:54.190 --> 01:00:57.410 not trying to log in obviously they're failing I'm getting the notification, 01:00:57.650 --> 01:01:04.010 but somebody is definitely trying to hack into my, my, my that an appointment 01:01:04.010 --> 01:01:07.910 from Manu's therapist appointment with a wind mitigation inspection, 01:01:08.790 --> 01:01:12.630 a couple of notifications or credit cards, notifications that I signed some 01:01:12.630 --> 01:01:14.570 documents and appointments. 01:01:14.770 --> 01:01:17.550 So, so basically everything in my primary is stuff like, Hey, 01:01:17.790 --> 01:01:21.070 you know, you know, you, you got a charge on your credit card. 01:01:21.270 --> 01:01:25.310 You have an inspection coming in. So that's pretty useful. Let's go to transactions. 01:01:26.370 --> 01:01:30.990 Amazon, Amazon. My wife now, all of a sudden, being at home, for God's sakes. 01:01:31.190 --> 01:01:34.230 Okay, one thing that I told Sam that, you know, they're like, 01:01:34.570 --> 01:01:37.010 you know, talk about a guy that eats his own product. 01:01:37.410 --> 01:01:42.550 Sam definitely, you know, loves the product. Okay, all right? 01:01:42.730 --> 01:01:44.090 That is no problem, okay? 01:01:44.530 --> 01:01:49.650 We get multiple Amazon boxes on our porch every day. 01:01:50.090 --> 01:01:55.650 Listen, thank God your employer doesn't sell cocaine, Because if it was cocaine, 01:01:55.850 --> 01:01:58.270 you'd be like the most addicted person in history. 01:01:58.490 --> 01:02:04.070 OK, so all my Amazon notifications like my hotel, you know, notifications from 01:02:04.070 --> 01:02:07.390 hotel that I'm going to, which I'm like, I already know I'm going to the hotel. 01:02:07.630 --> 01:02:14.590 I don't need that, you know, promotions from my Hilton Walgreens notifications, my FPL email bill. 01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:19.200 I know I'm getting the electric bill. I know what it is. There's no surprise on those. 01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.840 So those are all in the transaction thing. Credit cards. 01:02:23.100 --> 01:02:25.980 I bought Girl Scout cookies. Okay, so I'm going to the other one. 01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:28.300 Updates. I don't know. Apple update. 01:02:29.580 --> 01:02:33.400 Oh, it actually made a cut. It's got my iCloud thing there. 01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:36.600 Right, right. Your point is it's working well for you. 01:02:36.940 --> 01:02:41.780 You spent some time training it. And it's working well. So I need to spend some 01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:43.500 more time. I need to spend some more 01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:48.040 time and I need to consider spam as promotions and just treat it that. 01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:48.400 Yeah. 01:02:49.180 --> 01:02:54.800 Teach it everything that goes into promotions and pull out the things that aren't promotions. 01:02:55.220 --> 01:03:01.100 The other thing I will say, though, that is disappointing on that front, 01:03:01.120 --> 01:03:07.560 and I'm sure they're working on it, but they didn't update the desktop client with the same thing. 01:03:07.740 --> 01:03:11.040 They said they're releasing it later. They said for some reason it wasn't. 01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:11.500 I know. 01:03:12.160 --> 01:03:16.420 I don't, but this is what I will say. Look, the one thing about it is, 01:03:16.660 --> 01:03:18.320 look, it's not perfect, okay? 01:03:19.460 --> 01:03:23.800 But look, I have like Microsoft Outlook that I've used for work a whole bunch 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.700 for several reasons. Sometimes I get secure messages or other stuff. 01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:29.200 Worse, we don't wind up using that client. 01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:33.260 And they've had a classification of like primary inbox or other, 01:03:33.520 --> 01:03:36.120 which I found somewhat helpful, okay? 01:03:36.520 --> 01:03:43.280 This takes it several steps ahead. And I found that Outlook classification useful. 01:03:44.140 --> 01:03:49.040 It really did help in filtering out some messages that I really didn't want 01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:52.900 to be seeing as primary. But, you know, I don't want them to go into junk. 01:03:53.860 --> 01:03:58.880 This is from almost any email client I've seen recently. 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.120 By far, one of the biggest changes I've seen at anybody trying to make the damn 01:04:03.120 --> 01:04:06.980 thing more useful than it is right now. Because of the deluge of shit that we get. 01:04:06.980 --> 01:04:12.240 Well, and see, the thing is like, I, whenever I open my mailbox, 01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:17.920 the other thing, by the way, I use heavy use of in, in the Apple ecosystem, 01:04:18.140 --> 01:04:20.740 both on desktop and on my phone. 01:04:21.120 --> 01:04:27.020 Although sometimes it doesn't sync properly, but like is the VIP category. 01:04:27.020 --> 01:04:30.520 I basically any human being any 01:04:30.520 --> 01:04:33.840 human being i'm really expecting email from because just making 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.860 it my inbox was not working but i've 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:42.600 basically and any human being i'm expecting email from i designate them as vip 01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:47.360 and then i go into the vip folder and that really is essentially all it's all 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.880 humans and like one set of notifications i've decided was important enough to 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:55.160 put there and so but every time I open my yeah. 01:04:55.160 --> 01:04:56.420 VIP works to. 01:04:56.420 --> 01:05:02.140 It does help but every every time I open my regular inbox I'm like oh, 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.620 Because the first thing I have to do is scroll up and down through the thing, 01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:08.840 mark all the spam, move to spam. 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.160 And I guess now instead of move to spam, I will classify it as promotion. 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.880 And then I will mark everything in the promotions folder as spam. 01:05:17.820 --> 01:05:22.900 And yeah, I have to go through that. Then I basically have a three pass approach. 01:05:23.640 --> 01:05:28.120 First is go through looking for spam and move that to spam, classify it, 01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:31.880 whatever I'm going to do in the future. Then second, I go through looking for 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.940 stuff that is real mail, is mail I want, but I don't really have to do anything with. 01:05:37.120 --> 01:05:39.880 And I file that away into an archive folder. 01:05:40.560 --> 01:05:44.740 And then for whatever's left, I look through it and I'm like, 01:05:45.380 --> 01:05:47.000 okay, what do I actually do with this? 01:05:47.080 --> 01:05:49.960 And the problem is by the time I get to that third stage, I'm tired. 01:05:50.200 --> 01:05:53.840 The missing step is to print it all. 01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:58.180 Yes. Yes. I must still print it all. 01:05:58.520 --> 01:06:04.840 Yes. Yvonne is referring to the fact that when I was in college and we had limited 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.800 disk space, so I couldn't just keep everything. 01:06:08.240 --> 01:06:08.860 That's right. 01:06:09.340 --> 01:06:16.940 I would regularly just print all the mail. And I had huge stacks of printed archival email. 01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:23.860 And especially- It did help. It did help that at CMU, we could print unlimited. 01:06:24.380 --> 01:06:24.840 Yeah. 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.580 I mean, that's an insane thing that no university does that anymore. 01:06:27.580 --> 01:06:33.120 We could send jobs down to, they had these massive printers down at Wheaton 01:06:33.120 --> 01:06:39.020 Hall, and we could just fucking like just deluge that, hey, print this, you know, 01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:42.820 whatever, massive thing, and they would just have it over there ready for you. 01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:48.140 Yvonne was not there when I finally left CMU, because I went to one year of 01:06:48.140 --> 01:06:50.460 grad school before I dropped out, because... 01:06:50.860 --> 01:06:57.580 You know, it wasn't actually what I wanted, but like before I finally left CMU, 01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:03.020 I spent like several days doing nothing but print, but print to make sure I had everything. 01:07:03.040 --> 01:07:03.940 I believe it, you know. 01:07:04.040 --> 01:07:07.660 I totally believe because it, because it wasn't, it still was like, 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:08.700 there was limited to space. 01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:12.580 There wasn't a good way to move the stuff to a new account. 01:07:13.120 --> 01:07:16.380 Like, cause I, I'd gotten a, I'd gotten a commercial account, 01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:20.860 but there wasn't a good way to just transfer my stuff from my CMU account to the other account. 01:07:20.980 --> 01:07:22.780 Not back in those days, no. 01:07:23.080 --> 01:07:30.620 I just spent days printing shit and like reams and reams and reams and reams of paper. 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.740 I still have, and I still have all of this in my garage. 01:07:34.940 --> 01:07:40.620 There's like something like 10 of those banker boxes full of nothing but email from CMU. 01:07:40.680 --> 01:07:45.660 Listen, I went to his apartment in New Jersey after he moved out of this. 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:51.100 There was a stack that reached a ceiling with printed emails i i will not forget 01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:54.400 i'm like what the fuck is this oh those are the emails i'm like. 01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.460 Including spam including spam because i was 01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:02.280 not deleting spam yet at that point back then i mean 01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.040 it's just you know well there wasn't that much there wasn't that 01:08:05.040 --> 01:08:07.820 much i am pretty sure that when 01:08:07.820 --> 01:08:10.560 that first spam email went out that like you can 01:08:10.560 --> 01:08:13.440 look up you can look up what was the first spam email i'm pretty 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.080 sure i got a copy of that thing probably well you 01:08:17.080 --> 01:08:20.520 know the one i really remember was the first usenet spam that 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:28.000 not email spam but yeah whatever anyway we are old yeah we're old okay so we 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:33.540 we just spent an entire segment talking about email it's been a long time since 01:08:33.540 --> 01:08:38.100 we've had a tech topic like that yes like it's it's a little bit different than 01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:40.100 what our normal fair has been recently i. 01:08:40.100 --> 01:08:45.060 Mean we talked we talked the last time about what you would call it of the meta 01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:48.540 rules on whatever on content. 01:08:48.780 --> 01:08:53.540 So we talked about the content moderation stuff, now we talked about email. 01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:55.520 Well, and you know. 01:08:56.540 --> 01:09:00.540 And next week, I'm going to talk about, I don't know, basketball. 01:09:01.160 --> 01:09:05.760 Yes, you're going to do everything you possibly can to avoid talking about the 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.180 start of the Trump administration. 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:15.100 Correct. I'm going to talk about basketball spreads and NFL playoffs. 01:09:15.400 --> 01:09:18.000 And, you know, I don't know, Sam is going to just, you know, 01:09:18.220 --> 01:09:23.280 like collapse into a heap of blubber on the other end, listening to this. 01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.380 And then I'll force you to talk about Trump for the next segment. 01:09:26.540 --> 01:09:32.300 But like for today, though, like as much as we could talk about like, you know, 01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:37.400 right before we started recording, there was a Wall Street Journal reported 01:09:37.400 --> 01:09:43.840 that Trump is planning on massive deportation raids in Chicago starting Tuesday. 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.300 It's always good to telegraph those in advance. 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:52.900 Yes, yes. I'm sure no one will hide or anything. 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.720 But the point is the fear, though. If he gets people to hide, 01:09:56.740 --> 01:10:00.100 it serves the purpose. But anyway. 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.380 Serves the purpose of what? Publicity? Oh, okay. 01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:05.600 Publicity and terrifying people. 01:10:06.180 --> 01:10:07.460 Yeah, I forgot that that's the main. 01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:11.480 It's all performative. Anyway, it is time for another break. 01:10:12.420 --> 01:10:17.280 And when we come back, I'm going to keep with the tech theme and talk TikTok. 01:10:18.280 --> 01:10:25.100 That'll be my topic. Okay. And so we will be back after this. 01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:32.440 You're supposed to say doo-doo-doo. Doo-doo-doo! Alex Emsala! 01:10:33.860 --> 01:10:37.880 Alex Emsala is awesome. Its videos are fun. 01:10:38.080 --> 01:10:44.660 And today, once again, we have one of our most loyal subscribers here to tell 01:10:44.660 --> 01:10:46.300 you how awesome Alex Emsala is. 01:10:46.660 --> 01:10:53.580 I'd say on a rate from 1 to 10, Alex Emsala is awesome at, I don't know, 37? 01:10:54.240 --> 01:11:00.240 82? too. He's pretty radical. His videos are phenomenal. They're full of creativity. 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.460 And they're so funny and exciting to watch. 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.960 Wow, what happened to your voice then, Amy? Was that dad pretending to be you? 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:17.620 Because the audio was distorted when it really wasn't because I told him to? 01:11:18.460 --> 01:11:24.020 Yes. Good job on remembering, Dad. Do, do, do! 01:11:24.980 --> 01:11:32.020 Okay, we are back. Before I start talking TikTok, I will say it had been a long, 01:11:32.140 --> 01:11:39.280 long time, but Alex actually posted several new videos to that channel over the last month. Wow! 01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:39.760 Wow. 01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:44.160 I know. Now there's still, he's 15 now. He's posting videos from when he was 01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:47.960 seven that were originally recorded when he was seven, but he did post some 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:52.380 new stuff like right on, right around new year's, December 31st, 01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:54.340 January 1st, he posted a few things. 01:11:54.620 --> 01:11:57.140 I don't know if he's going to do it again anytime soon, but yeah, 01:11:57.240 --> 01:12:01.440 you can go check that stuff out. You know, look, people, you have failed me. 01:12:02.300 --> 01:12:07.180 My, my, my real retirement plan, forget about other stuff. My real retirement 01:12:07.180 --> 01:12:11.180 plan was his YouTube channel was going to blow up and he was going to become 01:12:11.180 --> 01:12:12.740 a millionaire and pay for me. 01:12:13.780 --> 01:12:16.460 I mean, that's a good plan. 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:22.680 Now, and his current 80 subscribers is not really doing that for me. 01:12:23.080 --> 01:12:26.900 So, like, he is not generating income for me yet. 01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:31.080 So we got to get him to start generating income. I think that's him. 01:12:31.120 --> 01:12:34.380 You know, I told him this the other day. I was like, look, 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:41.200 you, you keep like developing more and more sophisticated, like partially built 01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:46.900 video games that you get bored with and move on to something else before they're actually done. 01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:50.880 You have to actually finish some of these things, put them out there, 01:12:51.040 --> 01:12:52.360 sell them, make us some money. 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:58.540 You know, you, you, you, you can like, I am counting on you kid to be making 01:12:58.540 --> 01:13:02.640 enough money so I can quit my job and lay back and like, I don't know, 01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.980 like we talked about the other day, sleep and watch TV. 01:13:06.660 --> 01:13:09.260 I've got a bunch of other projects I want to work on too, but yeah, 01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:11.520 whatever. Like the kid needs to pay for himself. 01:13:12.610 --> 01:13:13.410 You know, so. 01:13:13.410 --> 01:13:14.710 That's got to happen soon. 01:13:15.010 --> 01:13:19.370 You know, we, we, we, we had a couple ideas for projects that we were talking 01:13:19.370 --> 01:13:23.830 about a couple of years ago that again, he got bored and moved on before we 01:13:23.830 --> 01:13:26.290 got something that worked, you know, 01:13:26.490 --> 01:13:30.370 and like physical products too. 01:13:30.530 --> 01:13:35.750 Like there was a gadget that we like were, were, were trying to think through and blah, blah, blah. 01:13:35.890 --> 01:13:39.810 It had some, I thought it had some potential, but he and I had creative differences 01:13:39.810 --> 01:13:41.270 on the direction it should go. 01:13:42.610 --> 01:13:46.150 Like, I wanted to go one approach, he wanted to go another, and, 01:13:46.150 --> 01:13:48.390 like, it just didn't work out, you know? 01:13:48.570 --> 01:13:51.590 So, anyway. Okay, TikTok. 01:13:52.210 --> 01:13:53.750 What happened with TikTok, Sam? 01:13:55.050 --> 01:14:01.810 So, as we are recording this, early Saturday UTC, Friday night, U.S. 01:14:01.950 --> 01:14:05.810 Time, it is still not quite 100% clear. 01:14:05.950 --> 01:14:11.030 Now, the Supreme Court upheld the ban of TikTok that Congress passed. 01:14:11.030 --> 01:14:18.490 The current situation is that the Biden administration has said, look, 01:14:18.890 --> 01:14:26.250 this thing expires Sunday on the weekend before the inauguration on Monday, 01:14:26.490 --> 01:14:30.270 which, by the way, is also a federal holiday. We're not doing jack. 01:14:31.070 --> 01:14:37.310 You know, the no enforcement actions are going to happen Sunday or Monday. 01:14:37.610 --> 01:14:42.450 And so this is up to Trump. This is whatever happens is up to Trump. 01:14:42.970 --> 01:14:46.550 Now, there are a few things there. First of all. 01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:52.970 TikTok themselves have said for a while that unless they won, 01:14:53.290 --> 01:14:58.130 they're just going to proactively shut down access to TikTok in the US. 01:14:58.750 --> 01:15:02.070 They're you know they're not going to wait for apple 01:15:02.070 --> 01:15:04.950 to pull them from the app store for apple and google to 01:15:04.950 --> 01:15:08.230 pull them from the app store and for isps to 01:15:08.230 --> 01:15:10.910 do blocking or whatever they're not going to wait for any of 01:15:10.910 --> 01:15:16.430 that crap they're they're just going to proactively like block the us themselves 01:15:16.430 --> 01:15:21.250 and shut this down they said they're going to redirect uh anybody who tries 01:15:21.250 --> 01:15:28.270 to use the TikTok app to a webpage that just explains what's going on. 01:15:29.230 --> 01:15:35.510 And they, after the Biden administration had said, look, no enforcement Sunday 01:15:35.510 --> 01:15:40.670 or Monday, it's up to Trump, TikTok explicitly said, look, we're still going 01:15:40.670 --> 01:15:42.250 to shut down the service on Sunday. 01:15:42.450 --> 01:15:48.390 And presumably this is like 12.01 AM on Sunday Eastern time or something. 01:15:49.350 --> 01:15:53.310 We're still going to shut it down unless we have like an ironclad, 01:15:54.810 --> 01:16:01.650 assurance from the Biden administration of XYZ, at which the Biden administration 01:16:01.650 --> 01:16:05.170 can't because they can't make promises for the Trump administration. 01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:06.010 Right. 01:16:06.430 --> 01:16:12.450 And so it looks like TikTok will be shutting down. Now, the question is for how long? 01:16:12.830 --> 01:16:13.250 Right. 01:16:13.610 --> 01:16:17.410 Because there are a few other things that are, I've heard a number of people 01:16:17.410 --> 01:16:20.850 say, and I have not investigated the law myself to know this detail because 01:16:20.850 --> 01:16:23.710 I haven't heard this universally from all places, 01:16:23.910 --> 01:16:29.530 but apparently there is something in the law that the president can declare 01:16:29.530 --> 01:16:32.210 a one-time 90-day extension. 01:16:33.370 --> 01:16:37.850 So you'd think if they had that capability, the Biden administration could have 01:16:37.850 --> 01:16:41.190 punted it that way since the deadline is on the freaking 19th, 01:16:41.270 --> 01:16:46.510 which by the way, you know, Congress put the deadline on January 19th on purpose. 01:16:46.510 --> 01:16:50.870 Thought purpose yeah yes so but or 01:16:50.870 --> 01:16:53.610 was it it was a certain number of days like the 01:16:53.610 --> 01:16:56.510 the law was passed and then some federal agency had 01:16:56.510 --> 01:16:59.930 to make a declaration that tiktok met the criteria because 01:16:59.930 --> 01:17:03.670 because the law does not actually say tick i think it does mention tiktok by 01:17:03.670 --> 01:17:07.350 name in one place but it's worded in such a way that it could conceivably apply 01:17:07.350 --> 01:17:12.470 to other companies and there's some sort of executive there's some sort of executive 01:17:12.470 --> 01:17:16.730 declaration that has to be made so it's probably some amount of days after that. Anyway, whatever. 01:17:17.190 --> 01:17:21.130 But there's no way it was coincidence that it's January 19th. But, 01:17:21.730 --> 01:17:27.030 So I guess there's the possibility that, and meanwhile, Trump has been signaling 01:17:27.030 --> 01:17:29.370 in all kinds of ways that he wants to find a solution. 01:17:29.550 --> 01:17:33.750 He submitted an amicus brief a while ago saying that he wanted to, 01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:38.910 you know, Supreme Court, please give me more time so I can make a deal once I'm president. 01:17:40.530 --> 01:17:48.710 So maybe he signed something to do that 90 days, or he gives TikTok the assurance 01:17:48.710 --> 01:17:51.710 that he's not going to enforce for a while, which by the way, 01:17:51.850 --> 01:17:54.630 that's like, hey, yes, this is the law. 01:17:54.770 --> 01:17:57.970 It's been affirmed by the Supreme Court, but the executive is going to decide 01:17:57.970 --> 01:18:05.590 not to enforce it is also sort of like not the best way to go about doing things either. 01:18:06.390 --> 01:18:09.590 But there's the possibility TikTok shuts down for a couple of days. 01:18:09.850 --> 01:18:15.610 Trump comes in on Monday or Tuesday and And this talk savior, 01:18:15.850 --> 01:18:17.730 Sam, he's the tick tock savior. 01:18:18.670 --> 01:18:22.670 Man, he's coming in. You say he's been mentioning what you needed. 01:18:22.970 --> 01:18:23.290 Yeah. 01:18:23.350 --> 01:18:25.930 He's going to come in and save immigration on the first. 01:18:26.270 --> 01:18:31.330 Yes. Yes. I mean, there's been talk of a Trump executive order on tick tock, 01:18:31.510 --> 01:18:35.190 but although it's unclear, what exactly is that executive order? 01:18:35.310 --> 01:18:36.650 It's going to be ignore the law. 01:18:37.210 --> 01:18:37.650 Maybe. 01:18:37.870 --> 01:18:41.670 Sure. that there's all there's also an 01:18:41.670 --> 01:18:45.010 effort in in congress to do 01:18:45.010 --> 01:18:47.930 an extension there as well but it's unclear it 01:18:47.930 --> 01:18:54.110 has the votes or where it would go so it looks like this you know by the time 01:18:54.110 --> 01:19:00.170 you listen to this episode if tiktok because i'm not gonna get this thing out 01:19:00.170 --> 01:19:04.390 saturday probably who knows maybe i will but there's a good chance by the time 01:19:04.390 --> 01:19:07.070 you listen to this episode tiktok will have been shut down or not. 01:19:07.190 --> 01:19:14.070 If it is shut down by TikTok themselves shutting it off, there's also a chance 01:19:14.070 --> 01:19:20.050 that early next week, it somehow gets resolved and TikTok comes back. 01:19:20.570 --> 01:19:26.710 And Donald Trump is the savior of TikTok, which by the way, there's approximately 01:19:26.710 --> 01:19:31.790 half of the US population are TikTok users at this point. 01:19:31.930 --> 01:19:37.430 It is not a small piece of social media. And a lot of those folks are upset. 01:19:37.750 --> 01:19:43.010 And so, you know, what you were saying, Yvonne, oh, Donald Trump's the savior, 01:19:43.010 --> 01:19:50.870 like coming in and rescuing TikTok would be like, this would be good for his ratings. 01:19:51.230 --> 01:19:54.030 Like, you know, people will actually appreciate that. 01:19:54.410 --> 01:19:59.690 Hell, I'll appreciate it and like it. You know, I, I, I'm, I'm also addicted 01:19:59.690 --> 01:20:01.470 to TikTok. I like my TikTok. 01:20:01.770 --> 01:20:03.830 I find stuff there. and look. 01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:09.660 Here's the thing. And we had a conversation about TikTok when this was going through Congress. 01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:16.340 My ultimate take on this is that if you are going to take this kind of significant action, 01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:22.760 just saying that, oh, it's dangerous because China owns it, 01:20:23.020 --> 01:20:25.880 without backing that up 01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:31.900 by declassifying whatever classified evidence you have that they're actually 01:20:31.900 --> 01:20:38.100 doing something nefarious And the various protections that TikTok has said that 01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:43.000 they have in place to make sure that the key critical components are controlled 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.780 by American employees in the U.S. 01:20:46.160 --> 01:20:49.020 And are not controlled by China. Because that's what they say. 01:20:49.180 --> 01:20:52.820 Like, their defense is like, look, we've actually firewalled this off. 01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:57.500 The subsidiary can do this. The servers are in the U.S. The people running them 01:20:57.500 --> 01:20:59.060 are in the U.S., blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:05.260 Like, if you're going to do something this drastic, you should have to prove it publicly, 01:21:05.540 --> 01:21:10.880 not just say, trust us, we've got information that it's actually bad, 01:21:11.020 --> 01:21:16.480 or worse, trust us that this is a danger, that they haven't actually acted on, but it is dangerous. 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:24.280 Because, you know, look, I fully believe, yes, like, having the ability to manipulate 01:21:24.280 --> 01:21:30.760 the conversation is problematic but here's the thing also, 01:21:31.830 --> 01:21:37.210 It's problematic when X does it too. It's problematic when Facebook does it as well. 01:21:37.570 --> 01:21:41.570 The fact that TikTok has the capability, okay, fine. 01:21:41.770 --> 01:21:44.510 They've got Chinese ownership and maybe that's a little bit different. 01:21:44.670 --> 01:21:46.470 But frankly, I'd be a lot happier. 01:21:46.630 --> 01:21:52.090 If there are certain behaviors of things that social media companies should 01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:56.350 not do with your data or should not do with how they manipulate the algorithm, 01:21:56.670 --> 01:21:59.710 then make that illegal across the board. 01:21:59.710 --> 01:22:02.270 Make it apply to the American companies, too. 01:22:03.370 --> 01:22:06.870 This just does not seem like the right solution here. 01:22:07.850 --> 01:22:13.690 And it seems heavy handed. It seems like and of course, their defense is, 01:22:13.790 --> 01:22:16.510 well, we didn't we didn't tell them they had to shut down. We just told them 01:22:16.510 --> 01:22:18.030 they had to sell. They could have sold. 01:22:18.950 --> 01:22:24.970 And apparently there's various billionaires who are like, we're trying to work 01:22:24.970 --> 01:22:26.170 out a deal. We'll buy you. 01:22:26.530 --> 01:22:32.010 But ByteDance is like, no, it's not. for sale it's not for sale sorry we will 01:22:32.010 --> 01:22:33.530 shut down before we sell it. 01:22:33.530 --> 01:22:39.050 I mean of course there was the whole rumor this week that the chinese wanted to sell it to musk. 01:22:39.050 --> 01:22:44.970 Yes well there was a rumor that they were talking to him but like bite dance 01:22:44.970 --> 01:22:47.310 has consistently said they're not selling to any. 01:22:47.310 --> 01:22:50.070 I know that but i'm like at this point i'm like 01:22:50.070 --> 01:22:53.330 look man here here listen you want 01:22:53.330 --> 01:22:56.370 to talk about a nice bribe to uh 01:22:56.370 --> 01:22:59.830 musk we're talking about a 40 01:22:59.830 --> 01:23:02.850 they estimate valuation of tiktok at 40 50 billion 01:23:02.850 --> 01:23:06.790 dollars okay basically makes them whole on on 01:23:06.790 --> 01:23:13.730 on his twitter loss and the reality is that as i have experience school of business 01:23:13.730 --> 01:23:19.930 in russia and so forth like the the especially the last few years on their sheet 01:23:19.930 --> 01:23:24.890 the last six seven years the government control that's china. 01:23:24.890 --> 01:23:26.070 Not russia but. 01:23:26.070 --> 01:23:29.050 No no no i know but but what i'm saying is that russia 01:23:29.050 --> 01:23:35.030 and china russia and china as i mean but like in in china which i also had to 01:23:35.030 --> 01:23:39.970 deal with look government control and and and uh pressure on on the companies 01:23:39.970 --> 01:23:44.710 has risen to a level that was unseen before and the reality is that they know 01:23:44.710 --> 01:23:46.670 such a decision like that. 01:23:46.950 --> 01:23:54.290 Whereas 10 years ago was probably pretty much wholly in the hands of the companies. Not anymore. 01:23:54.690 --> 01:23:58.290 That era is gone in China right now in business. 01:23:58.610 --> 01:24:04.910 And so it's disingenuous to think that this is not a government-influenced decision. 01:24:05.170 --> 01:24:11.830 My whole thing in terms of the ban, I actually was with China on the, 01:24:13.200 --> 01:24:19.760 My whole thing is they have the authority and have banned so many of the large U.S. 01:24:19.900 --> 01:24:21.960 Companies from doing business there on the internet. 01:24:22.100 --> 01:24:23.440 It's not reciprocal. It's not reciprocal. 01:24:24.040 --> 01:24:27.800 I'm just like, you know what, fuckers? If that's the way you do business, 01:24:27.900 --> 01:24:31.180 then fuck it. We'll ban all of yours. The hell with this. 01:24:31.740 --> 01:24:35.260 Because this is ridiculous. This is not reciprocal trade. 01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:41.240 You guys want to be able to put your company's any app they want on our markets. 01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:44.660 Yet we get zero access almost. Zero. 01:24:44.980 --> 01:24:50.980 Right. Like it's not like Facebook and all of these are, you can't access them in China. 01:24:51.200 --> 01:24:52.380 They're all banned. 01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:58.680 Well, and the thing is like the, I've heard one or two people make that argument, 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:03.300 but the main arguments for this were not about the trade reciprocality. 01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:06.660 It was about the Chinese government being 01:25:06.660 --> 01:25:09.820 able to use this as a form of influence over Americans 01:25:09.820 --> 01:25:17.880 and as a form of sucking in data because basically like most social media apps 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:24.400 like this is not unique to tiktok they basically are set up so they suck every 01:25:24.400 --> 01:25:27.520 possible piece of information off your phone they possibly can. 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:29.060 But but that's my. 01:25:29.060 --> 01:25:30.300 Point you know you. 01:25:30.300 --> 01:25:35.280 Know you're not saying reciprocality but the reality is that that's really what's 01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:41.080 happening when you're saying hey you're doing all of that here and we have no 01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:46.860 access there at all and so I just you know but yeah I, 01:25:47.870 --> 01:25:49.750 Look, I, but bottom line. 01:25:49.910 --> 01:25:52.590 I'm, I'm checking heard. Yes. 01:25:52.770 --> 01:25:57.330 I heard. Did I, that was that a bullshit? Well, of course I didn't double check this factually. 01:25:57.830 --> 01:26:01.830 I heard that the Tik TOK US CEO is going to be at the inauguration. 01:26:02.010 --> 01:26:05.190 Was that accurate? That is correct. He is going to be. 01:26:06.670 --> 01:26:12.370 So I mean, I fully expect it to somehow in some way be online. 01:26:13.050 --> 01:26:18.250 Yeah. Yeah, so my bet at this point, and I forget what I said on the prediction show, 01:26:18.370 --> 01:26:23.770 but my bet is it's going to get shut down on Sunday and it will come back online 01:26:23.770 --> 01:26:28.270 certainly before the end of the year, but quite possibly within days, 01:26:28.490 --> 01:26:32.370 depending on what Trump does and what sort of deal he makes. 01:26:32.370 --> 01:26:41.570 But I did look up TikTok in terms of their data sucking policy on the Apple App Store. 01:26:41.830 --> 01:26:46.390 Data linked to you if you use the TikTok app. 01:26:46.770 --> 01:26:53.390 Purchases, location, contacts, search history, identifiers, diagnostic, 01:26:53.810 --> 01:26:55.210 financial information, 01:26:56.010 --> 01:27:02.150 contact info, user content, browsing history, and usage data are all captured. 01:27:02.370 --> 01:27:03.410 No, nothing. 01:27:03.850 --> 01:27:10.150 Yeah. Data not linked to you may be collected, but not linked to your identity usage data. 01:27:11.030 --> 01:27:17.630 So just, just a tad, but like, to be clear, like you go into almost any other 01:27:17.630 --> 01:27:21.110 of these apps, they're doing the same damn thing. 01:27:21.210 --> 01:27:23.450 This is not, this is not uncommon. 01:27:23.750 --> 01:27:28.030 This is like, you know, so if you have objections to that, you know, 01:27:28.290 --> 01:27:29.730 talk to all these other apps too. 01:27:30.330 --> 01:27:34.510 Now, the other thing I wanted to mention though. is in the last week, 01:27:34.530 --> 01:27:37.670 I don't know how closely you've been following this, Yvonne, 01:27:37.910 --> 01:27:43.050 but there has been a cohort of people on Twitter. 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:47.500 Who have been like, you're going to shut down TikTok because it's a Chinese app? 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:52.200 Fine. Fuck you. We're signing up for Red Note. 01:27:52.540 --> 01:28:01.080 And Red Note is a Chinese social media app aimed internally at Chinese people. 01:28:01.380 --> 01:28:04.660 It's in the UI by default is Chinese. 01:28:05.060 --> 01:28:11.140 The description is in Chinese, like everything. thing, you know, 01:28:11.300 --> 01:28:16.980 and it is unabashedly, like TikTok is like, hey, we've got an American subsidiary 01:28:16.980 --> 01:28:19.520 and we've tried to firewall things off. 01:28:19.900 --> 01:28:23.800 Now, Red Note, which by the way, another translation I've heard, 01:28:23.980 --> 01:28:26.280 because the real name is, of course, in Chinese. 01:28:26.740 --> 01:28:32.060 Red Note is how I've seen it translated most commonly, but also Little Red Book, 01:28:32.540 --> 01:28:35.800 which of course has certain connotations in Chinese. 01:28:36.020 --> 01:28:37.120 Exactly. Yes. Yes. 01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:42.380 But so there are all of these TikTokers going over there, signing up for Red 01:28:42.380 --> 01:28:45.620 Note, and they're calling themselves TikTok refugees. 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:51.920 So there's been this whole thing of like all these Americans crashing this Chinese 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:58.440 app and starting to post over there, having Chinese people come in and, 01:28:58.580 --> 01:29:00.620 first of all, be extremely welcoming. 01:29:01.060 --> 01:29:03.620 Oh, welcome to the TikTok refugees. 01:29:04.180 --> 01:29:08.800 And like, we'll help teach you some Chinese. There's like all kinds of Americans 01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:11.100 posting videos. I have not signed up for Red Note. 01:29:11.280 --> 01:29:15.720 So I am looking at videos that people have taken of what's going on on Red Note 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:17.120 and posting them back on TikTok. 01:29:17.660 --> 01:29:22.860 There's Americans like trying to learn Chinese to talk to their new Chinese friends. 01:29:23.200 --> 01:29:28.640 They're American TikTok refugees who already have hundreds of thousands of followers on Red Note. 01:29:29.240 --> 01:29:34.880 There are Chinese people asking the Americans for help with their English homework. 01:29:35.620 --> 01:29:41.120 And apparently there's all kinds of like wholesome cultural exchange going on 01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:47.720 between the the americans and chinese people on this app and there's been like 01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:52.760 you know people showing each other their pats and stuff like there are a couple i thought. 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.340 You were going to say something else okay. 01:29:54.340 --> 01:30:01.040 Well actually let's go for to something else because one of the things the americans 01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:06.020 are finding out fairly quickly is there are lots of things that aren't allowed. 01:30:07.510 --> 01:30:11.390 Oh, you know, cause really? 01:30:14.790 --> 01:30:21.810 Do tell. Well, apparently like certain, there's certain things where like that 01:30:21.810 --> 01:30:26.970 would, people would post on TikTok doing certain dances in, let's say scantily clad. 01:30:27.290 --> 01:30:31.530 Like TikTok doesn't allow like unclad that you go other places for that. 01:30:31.670 --> 01:30:36.110 But TikTok lets you like show a little skin that was not allowed. 01:30:36.110 --> 01:30:40.170 They're apparently oh you 01:30:40.170 --> 01:30:44.430 know gay lesbian trans stuff does 01:30:44.430 --> 01:30:48.210 not go over well over there apparently not really 01:30:48.210 --> 01:30:54.870 you know although I did see one person countering that but apparently like there 01:30:54.870 --> 01:30:58.410 were lots of Americans hitting terms of service issues over there and getting 01:30:58.410 --> 01:31:04.610 their accounts shut down for posting things that are not allowed on Chinese social media. 01:31:05.510 --> 01:31:08.870 Don't tell really real and 01:31:08.870 --> 01:31:11.930 so hitting that and like then you get the people saying 01:31:11.930 --> 01:31:15.210 with the backlash hey people i know you're all going like to 01:31:15.210 --> 01:31:18.210 red note to sort of screw the man because there are lots of people like 01:31:18.210 --> 01:31:22.630 oh by the way there are all kinds of memes about like saying people on tiktok 01:31:22.630 --> 01:31:30.630 saying goodbye to their chinese spy um and and there's all kinds of people like 01:31:30.630 --> 01:31:34.470 going over and talking about how they're going over to Red Note to give them 01:31:34.470 --> 01:31:35.770 all their personal information, 01:31:36.570 --> 01:31:39.690 because, you know, again, screw the U.S. government. 01:31:39.850 --> 01:31:46.630 They're worried about us giving up all our data. So here's all my data. Have fun. Enjoy it. 01:31:48.150 --> 01:31:50.230 But, you know, there are people coming back and saying, look, 01:31:50.350 --> 01:31:54.830 look, you know, it's all nice. You're trying to stick it to the man and blah, blah, blah. 01:31:55.890 --> 01:32:01.310 But this app has all kinds of issues too with their policies, 01:32:01.610 --> 01:32:03.810 with what's supported, what's not supported. 01:32:04.010 --> 01:32:08.650 And there are actually reasons why not to do this. 01:32:08.970 --> 01:32:14.870 And then one other thing that apparently has... Oh, I'm just going to talk about 01:32:14.870 --> 01:32:16.410 red note rumors and things like that. 01:32:16.690 --> 01:32:22.510 Let me just say up front, a lot of this stuff has not been entirely confirmed. 01:32:23.870 --> 01:32:27.230 But here's one thing that apparently did happen. 01:32:27.650 --> 01:32:33.010 There was this one Chinese man who, when all the Twitter refugees were showing 01:32:33.010 --> 01:32:37.650 up, filmed a welcome video and was like, welcome to Red Note. 01:32:37.650 --> 01:32:45.150 We appreciate your presence here and we're welcoming you and it'll be great 01:32:45.150 --> 01:32:46.910 to have you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:54.380 Some Americans started distributing this as saying, look, the Red Note CEO welcomed us. 01:32:56.480 --> 01:33:02.960 And we're all like distributing this about how the Red Note CEO was welcoming and blah, blah, blah. 01:33:03.240 --> 01:33:09.780 And then the next day, like posted on the same channel or whatever, 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:16.280 was this guy's girlfriend is like, dude, everybody thinks you're the Red Note CEO. 01:33:16.280 --> 01:33:21.780 No, it's just some guy, some guy in an apartment with his girlfriend. 01:33:22.360 --> 01:33:25.300 It's just some random guy posted that welcome message. 01:33:25.420 --> 01:33:29.380 And then there are people going like, well, he looked like a CEO, 01:33:29.980 --> 01:33:35.540 you know, he taught, you know, he's, he was welcoming us to the app. 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:42.300 Who else would it be? You know, and, but apparently there's another rumor going 01:33:42.300 --> 01:33:44.920 around that Red Note is actually. 01:33:47.140 --> 01:33:51.180 Considering separating out the foreign IPs now, because there's just a little 01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:56.940 bit too much interaction with the Americans going on that they'd rather not have. 01:33:57.100 --> 01:34:02.040 So they're going to segregate the IPs out to make sort of an American portion 01:34:02.040 --> 01:34:07.760 of Red Note and a Chinese portion of Red Note and reduce the intermingling. 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:13.180 Another thing I saw a bunch of posts on were Americans, 01:34:14.060 --> 01:34:16.860 reacting to like apparently one of the things that's really 01:34:16.860 --> 01:34:19.920 common on red note was like and it's common 01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:25.800 on tiktok too it's common like people i mean not common common but it's something 01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.500 that people have done like showing like they go get a bunch of groceries and 01:34:30.500 --> 01:34:33.800 show what they got and stuff like that and so a bunch of americans were like 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:38.800 oohing and aahing over how cheap the groceries were in China. 01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.480 Oh, God, here we go again, this stupidity. 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:48.760 And how people could, and like, oh, this is just a regular worker living alone 01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:52.520 in a really nice apartment that I could never afford here in America. 01:34:52.820 --> 01:34:58.860 And so there are a lot of people, and also people just remarking at how technologically 01:34:58.860 --> 01:35:03.780 advanced China was, like seeing some of the buildings and stuff like that, of like, oh my God, 01:35:04.260 --> 01:35:08.760 they're not living in huts i don't i don't know what they expected but. 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:12.460 Oh my god these idiots i swear to god all such 01:35:12.460 --> 01:35:16.300 fucking morons i mean basically so in 01:35:16.300 --> 01:35:21.220 a couple of weeks the chinese will figure out oh my god we've been invaded by 01:35:21.220 --> 01:35:26.420 a bunch of morons and by the way here's the other thing there's this app that 01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:34.620 is not in english and she mentioned anything so yeah there may be a nice big, you know, 01:35:35.330 --> 01:35:39.670 Thousands of whatever people, tens of thousands of maybe go over there. 01:35:39.870 --> 01:35:44.050 But the mass market is not going to go with the fucking... 01:35:44.050 --> 01:35:48.190 No, they're not doing this. No, no. Wait a minute. 01:35:48.830 --> 01:35:53.770 Red Note is the number one downloaded free social media app on Apple right now. 01:35:55.110 --> 01:36:00.210 But there's a big difference between rising to the top of the download charts 01:36:00.210 --> 01:36:05.390 for a few days or even weeks than having a whole bunch of people actually take 01:36:05.390 --> 01:36:09.910 the time to move over there and be over there on a regular basis. 01:36:10.150 --> 01:36:13.710 It's going to be a handful of people doing it for novelty for a little while 01:36:13.710 --> 01:36:15.210 and then dropping off again. 01:36:15.950 --> 01:36:17.790 Like, you know, people are looking for... 01:36:17.790 --> 01:36:19.690 Not like what happened with threads at the original Spurt. 01:36:20.290 --> 01:36:26.110 Yes. I mean, people will check out the alternatives. People are looking for TikTok alternatives. 01:36:26.630 --> 01:36:30.270 People got a lot of mileage over the fact that, you know, oh, 01:36:30.530 --> 01:36:32.570 they want to ban the Chinese app? 01:36:32.730 --> 01:36:35.050 We'll show them Americans using a Chinese app. 01:36:35.510 --> 01:36:38.970 And some people got mileage out of that. But you're right. 01:36:39.090 --> 01:36:44.690 It's not a mass thing. It's not like the 170 million people who are using TikTok 01:36:44.690 --> 01:36:46.050 are going to move to Red Note. 01:36:46.870 --> 01:36:50.790 It's going to be, like you said, a few tens of thousands who do it for a little bit. 01:36:51.430 --> 01:36:51.530 Yeah. 01:36:52.070 --> 01:36:55.750 And this was something that, 01:36:56.290 --> 01:36:59.750 if they do separate out the IP addresses, there were people who were like, 01:36:59.870 --> 01:37:05.670 Chinese Americans who were using this to keep up with their friends in China who are like, 01:37:05.810 --> 01:37:10.330 if you fuck this up for us, we're going to be pissed if like American IPs get 01:37:10.330 --> 01:37:13.610 segregated from the Chinese IPs on this app, you know? 01:37:13.850 --> 01:37:17.070 So anyway, yeah. 01:37:17.730 --> 01:37:24.470 TikTok. I am going to go through all the videos I've posted on TikTok for either 01:37:24.470 --> 01:37:25.930 curmudgeons corner or myself. 01:37:26.410 --> 01:37:32.330 I've got local copies of anyway, so I don't have to go download all my videos, 01:37:32.350 --> 01:37:37.790 but I might go through and look and take like screenshots of comments and stuff. 01:37:38.430 --> 01:37:41.870 Cause I don't think even if I go and do the download all my stuff, 01:37:41.890 --> 01:37:44.750 I don't think the comments are included because they're actually somebody else 01:37:44.750 --> 01:37:47.350 leaving the comment on yours. They're not really yours. 01:37:47.730 --> 01:37:52.050 So I might do something like that to like archive the stuff tomorrow. I don't know. 01:37:52.470 --> 01:37:55.510 And I'll just double check that I have copies of everything. 01:37:56.150 --> 01:37:59.110 So, but I don't know. I, 01:37:59.820 --> 01:38:05.820 But if this actually gets shut down and stays shut down, there'll be a lot of 01:38:05.820 --> 01:38:07.340 people who would be pissed off by it. 01:38:08.260 --> 01:38:13.880 They will blame Biden. He did sign the law, although the law was included in 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:17.660 some omnibus bullshit must pass thing. It wasn't a standalone. 01:38:18.360 --> 01:38:22.160 So I don't know. But people will blame Biden anyway. And if Trump rescues it, 01:38:22.260 --> 01:38:25.900 they'll give him the credit. And perhaps deservedly so. I don't know. 01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:29.600 And look, there probably are real national security concerns. 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:31.460 That probably are the real trade concerns. 01:38:31.780 --> 01:38:34.740 There is no reason why he's getting the servantly so the credit. 01:38:34.900 --> 01:38:39.600 First of all, it was the Republicans that actually pushed this through. 01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:44.860 Well, it was fully bipartisan. And they may have originated it, 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:48.080 but this is one of the things that act like was 95%. 01:38:48.080 --> 01:38:53.080 Yeah, but like you said, this was part of a bigger bill as well. 01:38:53.400 --> 01:38:59.000 So they tucked it in there. Trump had been actually banging the table for it. 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:00.940 Okay, a while back, if you don't remember. 01:39:01.300 --> 01:39:04.180 And then he changed his mind. Exactly. Okay. 01:39:04.420 --> 01:39:09.760 Well, and specifically, he changed his mind when one of the major TikTok investors, 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:15.160 who was American, donated a bunch to his campaign. And then he changed his mind. 01:39:15.340 --> 01:39:16.320 Oh, wow. Gee. 01:39:16.660 --> 01:39:22.580 Or I guess legally to one of his super PACs, not his actual campaign, whatever. 01:39:23.020 --> 01:39:25.540 And then the other thing. 01:39:25.700 --> 01:39:28.560 I wonder how many shares of DJT that guy bought. 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:33.020 Yes. And then he did well on TikTok. 01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:38.560 TikTok was one of his platforms that he used to spread his message during the campaign as well. 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:45.440 So anyway, I think this is a stupid way of dealing with it, even if there are real problems. 01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:54.680 But maybe Trump will do a deal and force a sale to some consortium of Elon and 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:56.260 other billionaires. Mr. 01:39:56.460 --> 01:39:59.880 Beast has said he's got some billionaires. He wants to buy it too. 01:40:00.320 --> 01:40:04.260 You know, so Mr. Beast, famous YouTuber. 01:40:05.170 --> 01:40:06.990 Have you not kept up with Mr. Beast? 01:40:07.450 --> 01:40:11.670 I think I vaguely have heard of him. 01:40:12.530 --> 01:40:16.830 You know, I do not subscribe to Mr. Beast's channel. I find him kind of obnoxious, actually. 01:40:17.590 --> 01:40:23.910 But he comes up with a bunch of other YouTube channels I watch. 01:40:24.010 --> 01:40:25.590 They mention him and talk about him 01:40:25.590 --> 01:40:30.590 and stuff like that. So he's kind of unavoidable, but I find him annoying. 01:40:30.790 --> 01:40:34.410 But he's done really well. He's made lots and lots of money on YouTube. 01:40:35.630 --> 01:40:38.910 And, you know, his thing is giving away that money in, like, 01:40:39.170 --> 01:40:42.310 game show kind of things and various other ways of giving it away. 01:40:42.310 --> 01:40:46.130 I just looked up. His net worth is only $500 million. Mr. 01:40:46.230 --> 01:40:46.470 Beast? 01:40:46.650 --> 01:40:47.450 Barely. Yes. 01:40:48.370 --> 01:40:53.850 No, Mr. Beast, just to be clear, Mr. Beast has not said he wants to buy it. 01:40:54.030 --> 01:40:59.090 He has said that he is coordinating a group of billionaires that he knows to put up an offer. 01:40:59.270 --> 01:41:03.030 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it really would have to be a lot of other people putting up the money. 01:41:03.030 --> 01:41:06.830 Yes or a handful of specific people. 01:41:06.830 --> 01:41:07.810 You know. 01:41:07.810 --> 01:41:09.930 That yeah so. 01:41:09.930 --> 01:41:13.870 I don't know let's be clear even elon musk because this is the one thing when 01:41:13.870 --> 01:41:20.290 he bought twitter he had to go beg borrow and steal the damn money okay yes so well. 01:41:20.290 --> 01:41:25.530 He he probably still would now but he's considerably richer than he was when he bought twitter. 01:41:25.530 --> 01:41:29.950 Oh yeah but remember that all of it is most most i know it's all locked up. 01:41:30.150 --> 01:41:30.970 It's a big problem. 01:41:31.210 --> 01:41:34.850 It's all locked up. So even if he went, he would still have to borrow the money 01:41:34.850 --> 01:41:37.930 from somewhere or sell some stock of something or do something or whatever. 01:41:38.090 --> 01:41:41.170 I mean, he can do it, but it's not like, you know, it's not like he's sitting 01:41:41.170 --> 01:41:45.170 in, you know, he's not Berkshire Hathaway, which right now I think is sitting 01:41:45.170 --> 01:41:47.990 on like 300 billion in cash is some crazy amount of money. 01:41:48.130 --> 01:41:52.710 So Warren Buffett as basically the guy that decides at Berkshire, he goes there. 01:41:53.410 --> 01:41:59.170 We'll write a check tomorrow. Cash. But but very few companies have that access to cash. 01:41:59.930 --> 01:42:00.810 Maybe he'll do it. 01:42:00.970 --> 01:42:02.210 You think he wants TikTok? 01:42:02.770 --> 01:42:06.050 He doesn't want that shit. He doesn't want anything to do with that shit. 01:42:06.170 --> 01:42:10.010 He has been very quiet and pretty much on purpose. 01:42:10.190 --> 01:42:14.190 He's really just staying out of his whole shit. He's old. He's tired. 01:42:14.550 --> 01:42:20.470 His partner doing this died. And he's just like, right now, it's just like, 01:42:20.530 --> 01:42:21.690 let's just leave me the fuck alone. 01:42:22.230 --> 01:42:28.210 Yeah. And I can't blame him. And the end of the thing is, if ByteDance really, 01:42:28.230 --> 01:42:32.970 and like you said, probably driven by the Chinese government actually making the decision. 01:42:33.210 --> 01:42:35.930 If their bottom line is we're not going to sell, no matter what, 01:42:36.070 --> 01:42:37.010 we'll shut it down first. 01:42:37.890 --> 01:42:44.750 Then it's getting shut down in less Trump basically decides we don't care and 01:42:44.750 --> 01:42:48.970 we're going to ignore the law or we're going to shove through, 01:42:48.970 --> 01:42:50.910 we're going to, we're going to, 01:42:51.010 --> 01:42:55.190 you know, we're going to shove through a bill to undo the law from a couple of years ago. 01:42:55.510 --> 01:43:01.490 Yeah. Which is possible. You know, they, maybe that's part of the shock and 01:43:01.490 --> 01:43:07.930 awe is a bill to undo the tick tock law. I don't know. We'll see. 01:43:08.790 --> 01:43:14.750 Anyway, that's it. By the time you listen to this, you'll know if it was shut down on Sunday or not. 01:43:15.790 --> 01:43:21.110 And yeah, so we're done. Anything else on TikTok, Yvonne? I think we're done. 01:43:21.490 --> 01:43:22.390 Well, now we're done. 01:43:23.150 --> 01:43:28.350 Okay, so the stuff at the end. Thank you, everybody for joining us again. 01:43:28.570 --> 01:43:34.590 You can go to curmudgeons-corner.com where we have archives of the show, 01:43:35.510 --> 01:43:39.950 transcripts, links to all the ways to contact us, links to our YouTube. 01:43:40.410 --> 01:43:42.090 There is no link to TikTok. 01:43:42.630 --> 01:43:47.150 If TikTok does survive this thing, I will add a link to TikTok. 01:43:47.150 --> 01:43:52.810 I've been, I've been posting to Tik TOK, like little one minute video clips 01:43:52.810 --> 01:43:55.530 of the shows for the last month, month and a half. 01:43:56.050 --> 01:43:59.570 And some weeks they get a lot of traffic. 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Boost! 01:45:47.940 --> 01:45:51.880 Anyway, Vaughn, is there something from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack that we 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:56.160 have not talked about on the show that will make people so excited about the 01:45:56.160 --> 01:46:00.700 Slack that they want to contribute to our Patreon that you would like to share with us today? 01:46:00.700 --> 01:46:07.060 I was actually looking for this stuff. See what we've got here. 01:46:07.480 --> 01:46:11.520 That sounds interesting and funny. 01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:21.320 By the way, today's popular wiki of the day was in fact, Mr. Beast. 01:46:22.310 --> 01:46:24.430 Presumably because of his tiktok stuff. 01:46:24.430 --> 01:46:27.670 Because of the tiktok stuff yeah well 01:46:27.670 --> 01:46:37.070 okay so planters offers 45 000 and benefits to drive its iconic nutmobile apparently 01:46:37.070 --> 01:46:42.750 i mean i'm guessing they gotta pay travel expenses right you know is that just 01:46:42.750 --> 01:46:46.610 you know you got fuel expenses and hotels they want you to drive this thing. 01:46:46.610 --> 01:46:48.150 All around the country yeah so i presume. 01:46:48.150 --> 01:46:51.590 Right so they gotta be paying for travel expenses. So, so apparently, 01:46:51.910 --> 01:46:54.990 do you dream of hitting the open road in a peanut-shaped vehicle? 01:46:55.210 --> 01:46:58.890 Planters giving three lucky people a chance to drive its iconic Nutmobile across 01:46:58.890 --> 01:47:04.350 the country, earning $45,000 a year, plus travel stipends, health benefits, and a 401k? 01:47:04.970 --> 01:47:05.750 There you go. 01:47:05.990 --> 01:47:12.350 I mean, you know what? If I was retired, I would, sure. Why not? 01:47:13.270 --> 01:47:18.790 You know, I think they probably frown on you taking the peanut up to 120 miles per hour. 01:47:19.090 --> 01:47:22.890 They might, yes. But that might get a lot of publicity for the peanut. 01:47:24.090 --> 01:47:25.350 You could do the- You know. 01:47:25.350 --> 01:47:28.250 You got a police chase. You got a police chase of the peanut. 01:47:29.450 --> 01:47:31.710 Do the cannonball run in the peanut. 01:47:33.290 --> 01:47:34.250 Yes, yes. 01:47:34.430 --> 01:47:38.150 There you go. Get from coast to coast as fast as possible. 01:47:38.470 --> 01:47:42.610 Right. Yeah, I'll do a cannonball run on the peanut mobile. 01:47:42.850 --> 01:47:49.450 You know, yeah, that's one of those things. I could do all those things, yes. I'm sure. 01:47:49.910 --> 01:47:54.090 I mean, I'll tell you what, get them a hell of a lot more publicity than any 01:47:54.090 --> 01:47:55.290 other damn thing they're doing. 01:47:56.190 --> 01:48:03.770 I, I, you know, it would be, can you imagine the helicopter chase of the peanut? 01:48:04.510 --> 01:48:10.890 The peanuts going 120 miles, 120 miles an hour down the interstate with a hundred 01:48:10.890 --> 01:48:16.270 cop cars after it and helicopters, live TV coverage. Yeah. 01:48:17.330 --> 01:48:20.690 You know, because in order to do that, I'll have to get it juiced up. 01:48:20.790 --> 01:48:22.530 So I'll go and I'll take it to a shop. 01:48:22.810 --> 01:48:25.370 Oh, you don't think the stock peanut can do that? 01:48:25.490 --> 01:48:30.170 No, no, no. So no, I'll go and I'll have to go to a shop. Guys, 01:48:30.410 --> 01:48:32.550 we need to modify this thing. Okay, come on. 01:48:32.870 --> 01:48:36.410 This thing needs to do over 100 miles an hour. You know, I'll spend $10,000, 01:48:36.450 --> 01:48:40.130 $20,000 in parts, put it in there, whatever, get the peanut, 01:48:40.490 --> 01:48:43.310 and then we put it on the road, and then we're blasting through, 01:48:43.450 --> 01:48:46.590 and then we get the massive police chase going on. Yes. 01:48:46.910 --> 01:48:50.410 You know, for some reason, every once in a while, you see these people doing 01:48:50.410 --> 01:48:53.190 the land speed record in rocket powered vehicles. 01:48:53.510 --> 01:48:55.710 You never see a rocket powered peanut. 01:48:56.210 --> 01:49:02.230 No. Hey, go to the salt flats, get a couple of Genesis to take, 01:49:02.310 --> 01:49:06.390 you know, take off units attached to the damn thing and try to go and do, 01:49:06.650 --> 01:49:09.750 you know, do a speed thing on the on the peanut. 01:49:11.150 --> 01:49:15.710 Now, the aerodynamics of a peanut are not necessarily ideal, 01:49:15.990 --> 01:49:17.290 but that would just make it more interesting. 01:49:17.650 --> 01:49:20.890 Make more interesting. Make sure I got to get a helmet, fire suit, 01:49:21.030 --> 01:49:22.850 and other things if I'm going to be doing that as well. 01:49:23.510 --> 01:49:27.910 By the way, my wife actually, because I haven't been out on a racetrack in a 01:49:27.910 --> 01:49:34.710 while, did gift me for Christmas this thing to go on a racetrack on a car in February. 01:49:36.590 --> 01:49:37.570 Try not to die. 01:49:39.750 --> 01:49:42.670 Die well i'm thinking well not 01:49:42.670 --> 01:49:45.430 a race car i i went and i the one thing 01:49:45.430 --> 01:49:48.690 that i that i picked was that i've driven almost every 01:49:48.690 --> 01:49:51.570 german car but i i've never driven like an 01:49:51.570 --> 01:49:56.690 italian supercar like a ferrari or lamborghini or something so i have never 01:49:56.690 --> 01:50:02.930 done that so i chose to i i i did choose to drive a lamborghini at the track 01:50:02.930 --> 01:50:08.710 okay so because i haven't done that and i i'll i'll report on what that is i'm sure we. 01:50:08.710 --> 01:50:12.810 Will expect your report once that's done assuming you don't die. 01:50:12.810 --> 01:50:16.350 I expect to be yelled at at the i'm 01:50:16.350 --> 01:50:19.790 pretty sure what i'm i'm expecting i i've heard from 01:50:19.790 --> 01:50:22.470 some other people that one of the things is that 01:50:22.470 --> 01:50:26.050 most people that show up you know they haven't really driven cars fast before 01:50:26.050 --> 01:50:29.930 so they're not going that fast but then you get a guy like me that showed up 01:50:29.930 --> 01:50:33.450 that that's like you know driven very fast and they're like kind of like freak 01:50:33.450 --> 01:50:37.130 They kind of like freak out because all of a sudden this guy gets in the car 01:50:37.130 --> 01:50:39.890 and all of a sudden, you know, slams it, you know, 01:50:40.190 --> 01:50:42.870 smashes the gas and pulls out. They're like, whoa, wait, what happened? 01:50:43.130 --> 01:50:48.190 So I'm fully expecting to be yelled at next month. Very loudly. 01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:53.320 So that's already happened. So we'll see what happens. I'll try not to get killed. 01:50:53.540 --> 01:50:56.560 Very good. Yes. Try not to get killed. 01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:01.840 And, you know, if you're going to do the cannonball run with the peanut, 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:06.020 though, you got to make it a race against the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile. 01:51:06.440 --> 01:51:09.660 I mean, can you imagine the publicity that we would get? 01:51:10.540 --> 01:51:16.680 Peanut versus Oscar Mayer Wiener cannonball run. I mean, that would be that 01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:17.840 would get a lot of publicity. 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:19.320 There you go i. 01:51:19.320 --> 01:51:21.020 Like this idea okay all right. 01:51:21.020 --> 01:51:28.160 Okay with that we are done hey everybody we did not talk much about politics 01:51:28.160 --> 01:51:32.800 except where it intersected with tiktok and stuff this time around that's. 01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:34.100 A big political issue. 01:51:34.100 --> 01:51:39.800 It is it is but like but like for one like we're a couple days again away from 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:43.100 the second trump administration and we did not really talk about it we didn't 01:51:43.100 --> 01:51:49.640 really talk about biden's legacy or any of that kind of stuff but you know here's 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.300 one thing i will say i am like i guess i. 01:51:52.300 --> 01:51:56.680 Keep looking at people complaining about biden and i want to punch him in the 01:51:56.680 --> 01:51:58.800 face like right now just like get the fuck out of my. 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:05.720 Yeah well and all i was gonna say is trump has promised shock and awe for the 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:12.860 first hundred days and specifically a bunch of stuff in the first few days, first day, first week. 01:52:13.400 --> 01:52:19.320 So by the time we get here next week, we'll see how much of that was talk and 01:52:19.320 --> 01:52:20.860 how much of that was real. 01:52:21.100 --> 01:52:24.040 Like we've said, talk about what he does, not what he says. 01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:31.480 Starting on Monday afternoon, we'll find out what he actually does. So there we go. 01:52:32.240 --> 01:52:36.880 Stay safe, everybody. Have a good week. We'll talk to you next time. Goodbye. 01:52:37.440 --> 01:52:37.900 Bye. 01:52:38.340 --> 01:52:39.300 Say goodbye, Yvonne. 01:52:39.780 --> 01:52:40.840 Bye. Bye. 01:52:41.340 --> 01:52:41.960 Bye. 01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:44.860 I said bye three times. 01:53:14.140 --> 01:53:17.620 We didn't talk about the Gaza ceasefire deal either, but we'll find out whether 01:53:17.620 --> 01:53:19.960 that actually happens and like. 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:22.880 Well, yeah, that's still not in effect. 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:27.380 Yeah. It's supposed to take into effect later this weekend. Everybody approved, 01:53:27.580 --> 01:53:30.180 but we'll see what actually happens and how long it lasts and blah, 01:53:30.260 --> 01:53:34.060 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, goodbye, Vaughn. I'm hitting stop. 01:53:34.580 --> 01:53:34.980 Bye. 01:53:35.980 --> 01:53:39.280 Do, do, do. And this is Sam again. 01:53:39.280 --> 01:53:44.040 And as promised at the very beginning of the show, So if you hold on just a 01:53:44.040 --> 01:53:50.900 few seconds, you'll hear the fun and exciting audio difficulties I had at the 01:53:50.900 --> 01:53:52.400 beginning of our recording. 01:53:52.580 --> 01:53:55.340 Here you go. Do, do, do. 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:04.020 Shaved. Wait, why? Why does this sound weird? 01:54:04.480 --> 01:54:07.240 I hear like. Speak. 01:54:14.160 --> 01:54:19.340 I've got to record this. You sound like Chewbacca. 01:54:28.440 --> 01:54:34.380 I don't... What the hell is going on? You sound like Chewbacca on my end. 01:54:37.360 --> 01:54:38.060 What? 01:54:41.400 --> 01:54:44.120 I forgot if I record this. 01:54:52.360 --> 01:54:54.880 We have some audio problem. 01:55:01.180 --> 01:55:04.420 Can you... Can you... 01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:11.640 Ha ha ha. 01:55:21.950 --> 01:55:26.510 I mean, I don't really if I could understand what you're saying I would say 01:55:26.510 --> 01:55:31.550 let's go with a show like this but no, I can't even understand what you're saying, 01:55:35.170 --> 01:55:43.910 are you sure you don't have some audio filter but I can't the sound's not coming 01:55:43.910 --> 01:55:49.450 out I can't I mean, let me, hold on. 01:55:50.570 --> 01:55:52.990 What? Sound? 01:56:00.810 --> 01:56:01.530 I see. 01:56:05.270 --> 01:56:10.850 Aha. Okay, okay. Hold on. Okay, go ahead. Please speak. Hold on. 01:56:10.950 --> 01:56:13.070 Wait, wait. Record now. Okay. 01:56:15.370 --> 01:56:18.390 Okay, Sam, so what were you saying again? Go ahead. 01:56:26.690 --> 01:56:29.790 Ah, I see. Well, it's really good, Sam. 01:56:31.930 --> 01:56:38.330 This is great. Yes. All right. You know, yeah. Sure. Whatever you're saying. Yeah. 01:56:40.330 --> 01:56:41.530 And, you know. 01:56:50.670 --> 01:56:55.350 Okay, let me, let me see, there's a little, uh, speak some more, speak, speak. 01:56:55.990 --> 01:56:58.090 Okay, let me, let me. 01:56:58.090 --> 01:57:02.990 Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me. 01:57:03.010 --> 01:57:07.570 Sure, all right, good, all right, all right, let me, oh shit, 01:57:07.670 --> 01:57:09.550 that wasn't recording, speak again. 01:57:11.190 --> 01:57:12.750 Talk some more, talk some more. 01:57:15.270 --> 01:57:15.710 I don't know. 01:57:17.170 --> 01:57:20.750 Yeah, uh-huh, yeah. I'm going to be like. 01:57:20.950 --> 01:57:21.270 I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like. 01:57:21.270 --> 01:57:23.250 I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like. 01:57:25.050 --> 01:57:28.770 I'm going to be like. 01:57:32.110 --> 01:57:37.130 Okay, good. Alright, great. Perfect. Alright, I'll try reconnecting. 01:57:38.230 --> 01:57:41.450 Uh-huh. I'll show you now. 01:57:42.070 --> 01:57:43.610 Oh, God, it's still the same. 01:57:44.410 --> 01:57:45.570 Okay, what's next? 01:57:51.030 --> 01:57:58.010 I don't understand. I mean, did you play back? Did you play back what I said? 01:57:59.470 --> 01:57:59.990 Okay. 01:58:02.390 --> 01:58:05.750 I mean, we could come eat it, but we can try this. 01:58:06.670 --> 01:58:11.930 I just exit it and then I just, I actually, I, okay. 01:58:12.170 --> 01:58:16.790 Yeah, I, I exit it completely. I grabbed the link again and connected again. 01:58:16.830 --> 01:58:18.090 I didn't just do a reconnect. 01:58:18.630 --> 01:58:20.870 The keys sound normal, though. 01:58:22.730 --> 01:58:27.370 For some reason. The key tapping sounds normal. Just not when you speak. 01:58:28.650 --> 01:58:30.670 All right. All right. Let's all leave. Okay. All right. 01:58:33.130 --> 01:58:34.530 No. Still. 01:58:38.990 --> 01:58:46.430 The coughing sounds great. Oh, God, I need to record that as an effect. You're coughing. 01:58:47.510 --> 01:58:53.710 You sound like the sound effects Ferris Bueller was using when he was asleep. 01:58:59.770 --> 01:59:05.230 What the hell is going on? Because you hear me fine. 01:59:06.170 --> 01:59:09.570 I mean, I did a few zooms today. The sound was fine. 01:59:10.930 --> 01:59:17.150 Do do do me a favor here try okay all right let's let's yeah let's exit the 01:59:17.150 --> 01:59:21.150 whole thing okay let's exit quit the browser start start again okay all right 01:59:21.150 --> 01:59:25.750 let's do this hello no fuck, 01:59:28.350 --> 01:59:34.970 okay so what the all right okay let's do that okay yeah all right let's try that all right okay.