WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:05.430 Uh, there you go. Okay. We've got that up. Now we got to do this. 00:00:06.270 --> 00:00:13.010 Boom. Okay. I think that should have. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:00:16.030 --> 00:00:16.510 Good. 00:00:16.970 --> 00:00:18.250 What you got? Anything? 00:00:18.990 --> 00:00:22.850 I love that people have gone. Just, just it's hilarious. Making, 00:00:23.110 --> 00:00:24.950 you know, fun of Mark Zuckerberg. 00:00:25.070 --> 00:00:25.630 Ah, okay. 00:00:26.190 --> 00:00:30.230 Breaking in a blow to Priscilla chance, divorce case against Mark Zuckerberg. Mr. 00:00:30.430 --> 00:00:33.290 Zuckerberg's legal team has proven their marriage invalid on the grounds that 00:00:33.290 --> 00:00:36.990 it was never consummated, citing evidence of Zuckerberg's Ken doll anatomy. 00:00:37.770 --> 00:00:38.350 Nice. Okay. 00:00:39.670 --> 00:00:44.070 I'm sure he's really enjoying all of these on his uncensored. 00:00:46.030 --> 00:00:46.510 Okay. 00:00:48.270 --> 00:00:50.150 It's all of these things. 00:00:50.390 --> 00:00:54.490 If there's no fact checking, then we might as well say whatever we want about Zuck. 00:00:54.750 --> 00:00:55.230 Correct. 00:00:55.490 --> 00:00:55.730 Yes. 00:00:55.870 --> 00:00:59.310 Yes. So, okay. You don't want fact checking. Okay. All right. 00:00:59.430 --> 00:01:03.270 Cool. Let's just, oh my God. 00:01:03.770 --> 00:01:05.350 You're ready to go, Mr. Bo. 00:01:05.410 --> 00:01:07.690 Yes, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. 00:01:08.110 --> 00:01:08.930 Here we go. 00:01:29.410 --> 00:01:35.290 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, January 11th, 2024. 1834. 00:01:36.070 --> 00:01:40.730 It is just about 1830 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Mentor. 00:01:40.810 --> 00:01:43.250 Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne. 00:01:44.130 --> 00:01:44.610 Hello. 00:01:45.970 --> 00:01:51.250 And we're back from our special predictions and predictions review shows and blah, blah, blah. 00:01:51.450 --> 00:01:54.650 And so we're going to do a regular show. We'll do a butt first with like, 00:01:55.110 --> 00:01:57.350 you know, the kind of stuff that's involved in that. 00:01:57.490 --> 00:02:01.110 And then we'll do more serious stuff towards the end of the show, I guess. 00:02:01.610 --> 00:02:02.690 Yes, I guess. 00:02:02.690 --> 00:02:06.130 So, so how's things, Yvonne? 00:02:06.770 --> 00:02:13.050 You know, I took finally, that's been a while, a very lengthy time off. 00:02:13.430 --> 00:02:20.530 Okay. So I went and I, I, I didn't work from the gosh, let me see. 00:02:20.590 --> 00:02:26.450 I got to look it up on the calendar because I, I, I, I, I, I didn't work from 00:02:26.450 --> 00:02:31.430 the, where's December from the, the 20th of December. 00:02:31.430 --> 00:02:36.630 And I really didn't get back to work until about 8th. Okay. 00:02:36.850 --> 00:02:37.790 Nice. Nice. 00:02:38.070 --> 00:02:43.250 And, you know, I will say that on Monday the 6th, just because I needed to check 00:02:43.250 --> 00:02:48.290 something, I went to try to, I think I had like a question. 00:02:48.450 --> 00:02:53.370 I had to get something from my work computer and I, I, I didn't even take my work computer off. 00:02:53.970 --> 00:02:59.410 on my trip to Disney, which I always do everywhere. But I decided for once, 00:02:59.630 --> 00:03:01.730 screw this. I'm not taking this damn thing. Okay. 00:03:02.290 --> 00:03:05.190 Which by the way, did, did prove to be a little bit problematic. 00:03:05.470 --> 00:03:11.270 One thing came up that I, that I, I don't have VPN access enabled any other 00:03:11.270 --> 00:03:13.810 computer other than my, that laptop. 00:03:14.150 --> 00:03:18.370 And it, it created a sort of situation that made it far more complicated for 00:03:18.370 --> 00:03:23.350 me to resolve. I didn't manage to get it resolved, but it made it way more complicated 00:03:23.350 --> 00:03:25.050 than it normally would be. Okay. 00:03:26.170 --> 00:03:31.190 Yeah. So, yeah, I applaud you for not bringing the laptop, but the whole point 00:03:31.190 --> 00:03:34.170 of not bringing the laptop was that you're not available for work. 00:03:34.230 --> 00:03:38.470 The problem was that there here's, I forgot that. 00:03:38.570 --> 00:03:47.810 So there was somebody's contract that expired on December 31st and we haven't signed a new contract. 00:03:47.810 --> 00:03:52.530 And I needed somebody to approve that their services would continue and wouldn't 00:03:52.530 --> 00:03:54.950 get shut down on December 31st. 00:03:55.150 --> 00:04:01.050 And so it, this, this was not something like this was all of a sudden I'm like, 00:04:01.270 --> 00:04:05.490 shit, wait, they're going to shut them down unless I get the stupid approval. 00:04:05.670 --> 00:04:12.030 So I couldn't risk getting one of my biggest customers shut down on December 31st. 00:04:12.110 --> 00:04:12.590 I get it. 00:04:12.590 --> 00:04:17.350 So I, yeah, well, I, I thought I, here's the thing. I thought that had been 00:04:17.350 --> 00:04:25.230 handled and I realized all of a sudden, shit, I never saw anybody actually approve this stupid thing. 00:04:25.610 --> 00:04:26.010 Right. 00:04:26.690 --> 00:04:32.270 So yeah, it's just, you know, so I, I, I did, but, but thankfully I, 00:04:32.290 --> 00:04:36.190 I did contact a couple of people and say, Hey, I'm on damn vacation. 00:04:36.190 --> 00:04:37.590 I just realized this isn't approved. 00:04:37.690 --> 00:04:40.130 Can you help me like contact the approvers and get it approved? 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:43.490 And so they actually managed to do that. So, so, but that was like, 00:04:43.570 --> 00:04:47.210 uh, well, what do you want me to do? You want me to, yeah, this would have been great. 00:04:47.330 --> 00:04:50.290 Let me let my most important customer get shut down. 00:04:50.470 --> 00:04:52.930 So basically when I get back, I'm completely fucked. 00:04:54.250 --> 00:04:57.010 Other things could have waited, not that one. 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:01.870 So anyway, so I didn't take the laptop, but then here's the one thing. 00:05:02.010 --> 00:05:08.050 When I tried to log in on Monday to get this, I needed something from the HR system payroll. 00:05:08.230 --> 00:05:12.170 Somebody, I think some medical, somebody was asking me some information. I don't know, whatever. 00:05:12.430 --> 00:05:15.290 I needed to, I needed to log into the computer. okay i 00:05:15.290 --> 00:05:18.350 i couldn't remember i struggled to remember the 00:05:18.350 --> 00:05:21.510 password for the computer number one i was 00:05:21.510 --> 00:05:27.310 like shit wait i don't remember this damn laptop's password and then and then 00:05:27.310 --> 00:05:31.650 okay i did remember the laptop password but i will say that the one that i couldn't 00:05:31.650 --> 00:05:35.330 remember and i had to look i haven't written i i know that i i wrote it down 00:05:35.330 --> 00:05:39.350 somewhere because that was very difficult i had no idea what the hell the damn vpn password was, 00:05:40.070 --> 00:05:47.630 I tried, I almost locked myself out and I'm like, I'm like, oh shit, 00:05:47.750 --> 00:05:49.130 I got to look where I wrote it down. 00:05:49.290 --> 00:05:53.490 I don't want to get fucking out now. This would be bad. Okay. 00:05:53.890 --> 00:05:59.390 So, so that's how much time I spent completely disconnected. 00:05:59.390 --> 00:06:06.030 I will say that it definitely helped me get a little bit more settled in terms 00:06:06.030 --> 00:06:11.170 of, I felt I was able to figure out, okay, 00:06:11.810 --> 00:06:15.610 I've been worrying about all these things. I guess these weren't that important. 00:06:15.950 --> 00:06:19.310 We can just focus on these. Nobody apparently gives a shit about this. 00:06:20.070 --> 00:06:23.990 So I figured, well, if somebody gives a shit, they'll call me. 00:06:24.170 --> 00:06:31.650 But look, I'm already Monday afternoon. I'm already getting on a damn plane to go visit customers. 00:06:31.710 --> 00:06:37.130 One thing that happened is also that I did notice, thankfully, that... 00:06:37.610 --> 00:06:42.030 So most of my customers right now are located in Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic. 00:06:42.450 --> 00:06:42.670 Okay. 00:06:42.910 --> 00:06:49.550 And the one advantage towards taking towards time off is that both Puerto Rico, 00:06:49.670 --> 00:06:53.550 the Dominican Republic celebrate three Kings day, which is 6th of January. 00:06:53.810 --> 00:06:54.170 Okay. 00:06:54.330 --> 00:07:00.490 So that is a very big holiday in Spain. Okay. Which is why it's celebrated Puerto Rico. 00:07:00.650 --> 00:07:04.690 But I did notice that very few countries, I thought Puerto Rico, 00:07:04.690 --> 00:07:07.170 it's always been celebrated and it's always been a holiday. 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.780 But I did, you know, I went, I decided, well, I was like asking, 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:14.460 hey, where is this a holiday in Latin America? 00:07:14.660 --> 00:07:18.680 And I realized that it's only a holiday in, it's not a holiday in Mexico. 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:19.960 And I thought it would be. 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:20.620 Okay. 00:07:20.940 --> 00:07:26.060 But it's only a holiday in Columbia, in Puerto Rico, and in the Dominican Republic. 00:07:26.300 --> 00:07:29.560 Everywhere else, they don't actually even celebrate it. 00:07:29.700 --> 00:07:33.860 But in Puerto Rico, I don't know if it's still true, but it used to be three 00:07:33.860 --> 00:07:37.560 Kings Day was bigger than Christmas in terms of you actually, when I was little. 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.440 you would get gifts on both Christmas and Three Kingsdays. 00:07:41.540 --> 00:07:46.300 Well, this all relates to the song with the 12 days of Christmas. 00:07:46.520 --> 00:07:48.500 Traditionally, it's a 12-day celebration. 00:07:48.980 --> 00:07:53.180 One of these is the beginning of the 12 days. One of them is the end of the 12 days. 00:07:53.380 --> 00:07:57.880 You also, if you get Orthodox traditions, there's a difference between the Julian 00:07:57.880 --> 00:07:59.300 and Gregorian calendars. 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:00.560 Which also differ a bit. 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:08.380 But they still have the 12 days. So like this is how how this has evolved as 00:08:08.380 --> 00:08:11.220 a celebration has differed worldwide, you know, 00:08:11.280 --> 00:08:17.580 a bit sort of the most common at this point worldwide is the December 25th is the main celebration. 00:08:17.780 --> 00:08:19.060 Yeah, that's it. Yeah. 00:08:19.280 --> 00:08:22.720 But, you know, there are all kinds of variants of, you know, 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.900 I mean, and some some traditions actually like it's like the whole 12 days. 00:08:26.900 --> 00:08:29.760 It's not beginning and it's like the whole 12 days. 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:30.160 Yes. 00:08:30.340 --> 00:08:35.860 Yes. And they're different like religious things that happen on every day of 00:08:35.860 --> 00:08:37.500 the 12 days and stuff like that. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.400 And, you know, I'm not familiar with those traditions in detail, 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:42.280 but, you know, there's all kinds of variations. 00:08:42.520 --> 00:08:46.440 Here was the good news about this or bad news, depending, because my bosses were complaining. 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.420 Well, why haven't your customers said anything? And I'm like, 00:08:49.560 --> 00:08:52.240 dude, I emailed them this week. 00:08:52.540 --> 00:08:58.340 All I got was out of offices from everybody until Monday from all of them. 00:08:59.300 --> 00:09:03.020 literally, they all just bounced World War out of office until next Monday. 00:09:03.260 --> 00:09:04.980 I mean, next Monday the 13th. 00:09:05.470 --> 00:09:10.750 So they, they all took off like on the 22nd and also not coming back on the 00:09:10.750 --> 00:09:15.790 13th, which is by the way, well, at least for my vacation was great because 00:09:15.790 --> 00:09:17.670 they were customers weren't there. 00:09:17.870 --> 00:09:20.550 So, you know, it's not like I was going to get a call from them anyway. 00:09:20.890 --> 00:09:25.330 So, but, but, you know, so yeah, but so, but yeah, but you know, 00:09:25.590 --> 00:09:28.770 yeah, Puerto Rico, we celebrate that. That is a big holiday, 00:09:28.770 --> 00:09:31.950 but I realized that I was calling people in Mexico and they're telling me now 00:09:31.950 --> 00:09:33.230 it's, it's a regular work day. 00:09:33.470 --> 00:09:38.070 I'm like, you know, so. But yeah, but Puerto Rico, yeah, we used to, 00:09:38.270 --> 00:09:43.770 the one thing that we had to do, so you know how people put milk and cookies for, for Santa, right? 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:44.550 Yes. Yes. 00:09:44.970 --> 00:09:49.630 So the big thing for three Kings day when I was growing up is that you have 00:09:49.630 --> 00:09:54.930 to leave hay for the, for the camels that the three Kings wrote in too. 00:09:55.110 --> 00:10:01.090 So you had to put these little, like, like little baskets of hay under the Christmas tree. 00:10:01.630 --> 00:10:04.850 So when, when the three Kings arrived, so they could feed the camels. 00:10:05.990 --> 00:10:09.310 okay camels or horses i don't even remember camels there 00:10:09.310 --> 00:10:12.290 were camels yeah there were camels yes you had to they could feed the cows so 00:10:12.290 --> 00:10:17.930 yeah so yeah we had to we so we all of us the night before would go out and 00:10:17.930 --> 00:10:24.330 basically rip out okay we ripped out grass right and just put it a little little 00:10:24.330 --> 00:10:26.010 thing and then put it under the tree. 00:10:26.010 --> 00:10:35.090 Yeah so anyway i i guess to wrap your section knob it was good to take three weeks off. 00:10:35.090 --> 00:10:38.150 Oh fuck yes i mean 00:10:38.150 --> 00:10:40.890 i i you know look confers to me again what i 00:10:40.890 --> 00:10:43.630 what i realized when i got when i got fired a couple of 00:10:43.630 --> 00:10:47.830 years ago dude i'm so ready to fucking retire it's not even funny i i could 00:10:47.830 --> 00:10:52.070 i could i i'm like i've got you know all these people i'm like oh you know that 00:10:52.070 --> 00:10:55.950 wind up like a couple of months after they retired they die because they have 00:10:55.950 --> 00:11:01.670 no purpose in life blah blah blah that's yeah dude i'm i'm not in that camp. 00:11:02.330 --> 00:11:04.930 I've got so much I would fill my days with. 00:11:05.050 --> 00:11:07.530 Oh, I'd be full wall to wall. 00:11:07.850 --> 00:11:15.150 I have no issues with. Now, would I spend some time sleeping in and watching some TV? 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:19.530 Oh, I did a lot of sleeping. Let me tell you something that I do some sleeping. 00:11:19.770 --> 00:11:22.650 Look, I was struggling to wake up before. 00:11:22.790 --> 00:11:27.930 Some days I was like waking up at 12. Listen, I never wake up at 12. 00:11:28.470 --> 00:11:30.990 I was waking up at 12. Okay. 00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:32.110 Right. i'm. 00:11:32.110 --> 00:11:35.910 Like you know the hell with this you know so yeah. 00:11:35.910 --> 00:11:39.710 Sleeping is good sleeping is good i just. 00:11:39.710 --> 00:11:44.670 Want to wake up get my coffee so go go lay back on the bed watch some tv fuck 00:11:44.670 --> 00:11:46.510 all of you whatever yeah yeah yeah. 00:11:46.510 --> 00:11:50.850 Like i i have lots of things i would want to do but like absolutely like the 00:11:50.850 --> 00:11:55.650 one of the important stuff would be never setting an alarm ever again i wake 00:11:55.650 --> 00:12:02.210 up when i wake up when what I want to do to get ready for my day. 00:12:02.210 --> 00:12:06.310 And then at some point, a few hours later, I'm ready to do something interesting 00:12:06.310 --> 00:12:07.610 and productive. And I do it. 00:12:07.610 --> 00:12:12.370 You know, every day that damn alarm to me, it's just like this slave device. 00:12:12.870 --> 00:12:18.910 They just like really just, you know, you know, I am enslaved to this stupid thing. 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:21.490 It goes off. I hate it. 00:12:21.870 --> 00:12:24.830 I don't want to hear it. I know I got to get up. 00:12:25.350 --> 00:12:29.870 I'm just like, fuck, stupid thing. I got to get up. 00:12:29.870 --> 00:12:32.470 I got to go to the thing. Yeah. 00:12:32.750 --> 00:12:36.030 So, well, it's just like, you know, say, fuck it. No. 00:12:37.770 --> 00:12:42.150 Uh, yeah, I hear you. So I'll, I'll give you mine. 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:45.650 So first of all, since I took off a lot of time at the end of October and beginning 00:12:45.650 --> 00:12:51.010 of November for election graphs, I, I did not want to take more time, 00:12:51.190 --> 00:12:53.610 at least no significant time over the break. 00:12:53.610 --> 00:12:59.890 So, so I, I worked, I worked through the entire time, except for actual New 00:12:59.890 --> 00:13:03.170 Year's Day and Christmas, which were given as holidays by my company. 00:13:03.950 --> 00:13:05.490 But let's be honest. 00:13:06.470 --> 00:13:08.070 Those days are super slow. 00:13:08.310 --> 00:13:14.270 Oh, yeah. You know, I've been some years where I've wound up working some of those days. 00:13:14.410 --> 00:13:19.210 I usually have always taken them off, but I've worked some of those days or the slowest days ever. 00:13:19.410 --> 00:13:24.510 For the longest time, I actually explicitly like had the philosophy of it's 00:13:24.510 --> 00:13:27.250 a waste of time to use paid time off. 00:13:27.330 --> 00:13:30.390 Because like I know your company has it like unlimited time off. Mine does not. 00:13:30.650 --> 00:13:30.730 Yeah. 00:13:30.730 --> 00:13:35.190 But my philosophy was it's a waste to actually use that time, 00:13:35.430 --> 00:13:41.470 your paid time off on those days, because even if you work, there's so little to do. 00:13:41.730 --> 00:13:46.330 And it's so slow, like, you know, you might as well be taking the day off. 00:13:46.490 --> 00:13:47.390 Right, right, right. 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:51.890 And so I did work through those days, but they were slow days. 00:13:52.170 --> 00:13:58.570 I did, you know, but here's the other thing. As has been in the news lately, 00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:02.190 my company has gone to full return to office. 00:14:02.390 --> 00:14:07.970 They had been three days a week. As of January 1st, it's full in the office all the time forever. 00:14:08.890 --> 00:14:10.090 Yes, yes. 00:14:10.430 --> 00:14:15.750 So even those weeks leading up to January 1st, like, oh, by the way, 00:14:15.850 --> 00:14:20.850 it's three days a week in the office, regardless of holidays and vacation. 00:14:21.150 --> 00:14:25.010 So like, it's not you get two days working from home. 00:14:25.010 --> 00:14:29.770 it's three days in the office so like if you if you've got a holiday in that 00:14:29.770 --> 00:14:33.970 week that means you can only work from home one day okay like okay even in the 00:14:33.970 --> 00:14:38.330 old three days so like basically you know i was in the office a lot between 00:14:38.330 --> 00:14:42.690 between christmas and new year's and all that kind of stuff to a a fairly empty 00:14:42.690 --> 00:14:44.910 even more empty than usual office well. 00:14:44.910 --> 00:14:49.050 Probably one thing i would guess the traffic was lighter because i i've i've 00:14:49.050 --> 00:14:52.490 had to commute sometimes during those days and the traffic, you know, 00:14:52.630 --> 00:14:54.930 schools out and other stuff and whatever. 00:14:55.230 --> 00:14:58.190 And so, you know, some people take off. So traffic would have been lighter. 00:14:58.350 --> 00:14:59.050 I would have hoped, right? 00:14:59.990 --> 00:15:03.710 Well, yeah. I mean, during that week, I mean, traffic was light just because 00:15:03.710 --> 00:15:07.150 of everything related to the holiday RTO or not. That's what I'm saying. 00:15:07.350 --> 00:15:10.210 You know, between the holiday people out, schools out. Yeah. 00:15:10.370 --> 00:15:12.050 Traffic usually gets pretty thin those days. 00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:17.290 Which brings up after the RTO five mandate on January 1st. 00:15:17.290 --> 00:15:23.970 Like, and let me just say like there, the quick summary, the quick summary of 00:15:23.970 --> 00:15:27.550 life after RTO five, it sucks. 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:29.570 It's horrible. 00:15:31.030 --> 00:15:36.030 It's useless. It's okay. Anyway, so, um, I. 00:15:36.190 --> 00:15:40.530 I, look, I, I lived through this once. Okay. Yes. 00:15:41.660 --> 00:15:49.800 You know, I had been at HP for many years and the last three years at HP between 2007 and 2010, 00:15:49.800 --> 00:15:57.000 I was basically fully remote and I switched jobs to a job that I had to be at 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:58.680 the office five days a week. 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.480 And I remember the first couple of months was an adjustment, 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:07.600 but I, I, I will say that eventually I, I, I got used to it back, back. 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:08.320 Yeah, I mean, look. 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:11.500 It sucked. 00:16:12.060 --> 00:16:16.040 I did it prior to the last few years. 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:20.060 I did it my entire freaking career, right? So obviously you can get used to it. 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.500 It's just it's a rough transition. 00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:26.860 Including at the exact same building I'm in now, you know, so it's not it's 00:16:26.860 --> 00:16:28.360 not even new in that sense. 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:32.140 I've worked at this building back when I worked five days a week. 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:36.480 And now and my my company has always been relatively flexible. 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.240 Like if I had to do something like, you know, if I had something going on, 00:16:40.380 --> 00:16:44.940 I could work from home occasionally, just not on a regular, you know, I'm working from home. 00:16:45.020 --> 00:16:47.360 Right. It's not your primary workplace. Yeah. 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:47.640 Right. 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.640 Hey, you got, you know, I don't know. You they cut your spleen out today. 00:16:51.880 --> 00:16:54.280 You know, I got a, you know, I don't know something. 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:58.700 Oh, that's that's pretty. OK, that's that's I might take some time off for that. 00:17:00.020 --> 00:17:01.000 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:01.720 Just say that. 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:05.680 Yeah, that's not a work from home day. I'm like, I don't I don't know. 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.220 they have to put your finger in a split. There you go. Okay. 00:17:08.380 --> 00:17:10.000 All right. Okay. So that one. Okay. 00:17:10.600 --> 00:17:14.520 Yeah. So yeah, you know, I need, I need to work from home, but yeah. Yeah. 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:18.680 No, but here, here's the thing here, here, here is the first few days. 00:17:18.860 --> 00:17:22.780 Like they made a January 1st instead of a Monday, which was, 00:17:23.410 --> 00:17:28.590 whatever like but it meant the first couple days was still most people were 00:17:28.590 --> 00:17:32.530 off a lot of people took that whole week off right right right the first was 00:17:32.530 --> 00:17:36.850 on a wednesday that thursday and friday were still pretty slow lots of people 00:17:36.850 --> 00:17:39.950 scheduled it to come back that monday but so but. 00:17:39.950 --> 00:17:41.690 Okay monday how was monday though. 00:17:41.690 --> 00:17:50.490 So monday was the first day where first of all okay a couple things Monday that 00:17:50.490 --> 00:17:56.610 Monday I still I also had huge trouble like adjust you you mentioned sleep, 00:17:57.470 --> 00:18:00.850 adjusting my sleep properly to the idea 00:18:00.850 --> 00:18:03.910 of getting into work at a reasonable time right yeah because 00:18:03.910 --> 00:18:06.790 I mean and I was to wake up earlier yeah I 00:18:06.790 --> 00:18:09.910 was doing it three days a week anyway but like depending on 00:18:09.910 --> 00:18:12.770 when meetings were I would adjust that and traffic wasn't as bad blah 00:18:12.770 --> 00:18:16.070 blah blah but like so yeah like monday and 00:18:16.070 --> 00:18:19.490 tuesday i massively struggled 00:18:19.490 --> 00:18:22.630 to even get up at like a reasonable i ended 00:18:22.630 --> 00:18:28.470 up actually getting to the building like at 11 both days okay now i i didn't 00:18:28.470 --> 00:18:33.090 miss anything i had no meetings those mornings whatever but like it was a struggle 00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:36.550 because like you know and and the work from home pattern i've mentioned this 00:18:36.550 --> 00:18:41.350 before like if i had a 9 a.m meeting I'd roll out up at 8. 00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:41.990 8 59. 00:18:42.790 --> 00:18:46.130 Yeah, exactly. I'd wake up at 8 59, roll into the other room, 00:18:46.250 --> 00:18:47.730 open the laptop and be on the meeting. 00:18:47.870 --> 00:18:52.430 You know, I can't do that if you have to like do a commute. 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.800 Um, you have to get ready, you have to get dressed, you know, 00:18:57.900 --> 00:18:59.180 that kind of stuff. Yeah. 00:18:59.580 --> 00:19:02.580 So a lot of extra things on the Thursday. 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.820 I, I, I'm, I'm think I had the, have the timelines right. Or no, 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:10.320 it was Wednesday or Thursday of that first week. 00:19:10.560 --> 00:19:15.340 The first full week I had, I had an 8am meeting. 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:18.540 No, I think it was Thursday. I had an 8 a.m. 00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:25.080 meeting followed by an all-day, quote-unquote, off-site. Okay? 00:19:25.560 --> 00:19:33.080 Now, the off-site, just to be clear, was in California in a conference room 00:19:33.080 --> 00:19:36.540 at the regular building. The part of the team that's in California is out. 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:43.260 So, like, they say off-site. They just mean everybody goes to a conference room all day. 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.620 They don't actually do off-site off-sites anymore. Really? 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:49.420 Once upon a time, when you said offsite, like. 00:19:49.560 --> 00:19:50.440 It was offsite. 00:19:50.560 --> 00:19:54.160 It was offsite. You went to a hotel. You went to a conference center. 00:19:54.580 --> 00:19:58.680 Sometimes you went to a resort. I remember going to resorts for offsites. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:05.140 And there being like fun activities as well. No, I hate the mandatory fun activities, actually. 00:20:05.380 --> 00:20:08.340 But like, there was stuff, right? There was nice food. 00:20:08.340 --> 00:20:11.360 You know what? Let me tell you something. For all the bitching I did about sometimes 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:13.440 at Rico, and there was a specific VP. 00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:16.780 You know, we did a whole bunch of these. And I have to say that I had a whole 00:20:16.780 --> 00:20:18.140 bunch of fun at a couple of them. 00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:23.000 Look, one of them was this one. There was a challenge about building stuff with Legos. 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:28.020 And we actually, I'll tell you that I thought this is stupid. Why the hell? 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:32.600 It actually turned out to be a lot of fun to do the Lego building challenge. 00:20:32.780 --> 00:20:37.180 Okay. All right. There was also one, another activity that we did that was. 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:40.400 How about the zip lines, Yvonne? The zip lines. 00:20:40.600 --> 00:20:41.720 Okay. Not the zip lines. 00:20:41.760 --> 00:20:42.900 Did you love the zip lines? 00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:47.220 Fuck the stupid zip lines which by the way, 00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:51.480 Let me be clear about this. I was the VP in charge. 00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:55.920 I did not want the fucking zip lines, but all the employees wanted the zip lines. 00:20:56.040 --> 00:21:00.580 And I decided not to deny the employees the zip lines. Okay. That was their choice. 00:21:01.540 --> 00:21:06.400 And I decided to also, as their leader, I should just sit down at the base of 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.780 the fucking camp drinking beers while they're doing the zip lines. I'm like, fuck. 00:21:09.980 --> 00:21:14.880 I, you know, this is, this is the kind of shit that does not help workplace 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.900 cohesion. I'm like, fuck it. They want zip lines. 00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:21.740 I'm going to, okay, I'm going to let them do the zip lines. 00:21:21.860 --> 00:21:25.740 And oh, by the way, because I'm going to participate in the zip lines. 00:21:25.840 --> 00:21:30.500 By the way, I just found out recently, speaking of this, that that team the 00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:31.900 other day was talking to somebody else. 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:35.540 They said, Ivan, you know what? They're working now with this other company, Swiss, so whatever. 00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:39.880 They referred to the time that you were their boss as the golden era of their career. 00:21:41.340 --> 00:21:46.260 Literally, because they said, you know what? Because I care about people. 00:21:46.260 --> 00:21:48.040 So I treated them super well. 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.220 And they were like, you know, and actually we did some really great results. 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.300 I mean, shit, this company wouldn't have bought the business if we didn't. 00:21:56.420 --> 00:21:58.660 And so they're still reminiscing that. 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:02.480 This is the thing about why those acts are important as a leader. 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:08.240 That act that I went and I basically accepted an activity that I knew wasn't my favorite. 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:11.620 And I went and I, and despite that, I went and I partook it, 00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.960 even though I feared for my life. 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:20.060 right right had a really positive impact on them okay okay. 00:22:20.060 --> 00:22:25.180 Okay i'll like look lots of people love them i i i hate them. 00:22:25.180 --> 00:22:28.420 But i'll tell you the one at rico the the lego 00:22:28.420 --> 00:22:32.500 there was no no no no there was a better one there was there was some kind of 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:38.660 like it was kind of like um jeopardy style questions okay all right and we were 00:22:38.660 --> 00:22:44.380 a team of people and there would be all these questions and we were stacked 00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:46.040 into different teams, okay? 00:22:46.340 --> 00:22:52.060 And questions ranged from like, hey, what's the city with the largest population in the world, okay? 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.200 Tokyo, okay? But here's the thing, right? So it wound up that there were like 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.520 about 12 teams, okay? Okay. 00:22:59.270 --> 00:23:02.170 okay there were literally in the end it 00:23:02.170 --> 00:23:05.410 was lit really me against another 00:23:05.410 --> 00:23:08.130 guy in another team who were the who were the guys that had 00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:10.890 answers to all the fucking questions but it 00:23:10.890 --> 00:23:14.070 was so much fun because everybody was like jesus christ 00:23:14.070 --> 00:23:19.330 these guys you know but me it was it wasn't like my team it was like they were 00:23:19.330 --> 00:23:24.370 all looking at me oh you know the fucking ass yes here so we were like it was 00:23:24.370 --> 00:23:30.790 It's just this motto-in-motto showdown between this guy and me on these fucking 00:23:30.790 --> 00:23:32.450 answers on a whole damn team. 00:23:32.730 --> 00:23:39.350 And I believe I wound up winning. Right, because I got a camera out of it. I got a Rico camera. 00:23:39.350 --> 00:23:42.410 This is why you like this. This is why you like this activity. 00:23:42.510 --> 00:23:42.790 Yes. 00:23:42.910 --> 00:23:43.090 Because you won. 00:23:43.410 --> 00:23:47.250 Oh, no, it was a showdown. It was motto-in-motto. 00:23:47.450 --> 00:23:49.370 Basically, it's one of those things where everybody's like, ah, 00:23:49.550 --> 00:23:51.510 you know, we're all the smartest guys in the room, like whatever, 00:23:51.610 --> 00:23:53.010 bah, bah, bah. There's 50 fucking people. 00:23:53.110 --> 00:23:55.970 You know what? the only two people have got the essence of me and this other guy 00:23:55.970 --> 00:23:58.970 everybody else said no shit they all just got a wrong wrong 00:23:58.970 --> 00:24:02.410 wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong but we're like we're like barreling through these 00:24:02.410 --> 00:24:07.190 we're just like annihilating them and like finally but i i managed to win and 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:11.710 i got some actually it was a decent camera it was out but it was uh they add 00:24:11.710 --> 00:24:17.350 a rico waterproof like digital camera that i still probably got somewhere around so okay. 00:24:17.350 --> 00:24:18.630 So let me finish my story. 00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:19.810 Yes so. 00:24:19.810 --> 00:24:24.510 So the first day that I was really going to try it, and getting in at 11, 00:24:24.530 --> 00:24:27.210 by the way, it still wasn't that bad traffic-wise. 00:24:27.330 --> 00:24:29.550 It was worse than normal, even at 11. 00:24:29.730 --> 00:24:34.830 But it was still not horrible. But trying to get in at 8 a.m. 00:24:37.030 --> 00:24:42.770 Here's the thing. I said to myself, I need to allocate two hours to this. 00:24:42.950 --> 00:24:45.810 I need to leave at 6 to be sure to get there. 00:24:46.030 --> 00:24:46.290 Sure. 00:24:46.290 --> 00:24:49.190 And because like just to set the 00:24:49.190 --> 00:24:52.550 stage the no traffic time from 00:24:52.550 --> 00:24:57.710 my home to my office is 35 minutes like if you do it at two in the morning with 00:24:57.710 --> 00:25:03.390 no traffic whatsoever 35 minutes yvonne being a speedster could probably make 00:25:03.390 --> 00:25:10.570 it in 25 okay probably i'm sure but you know how many miles there would be laws broken wait how. 00:25:10.570 --> 00:25:11.750 Many miles is the distance. 00:25:11.750 --> 00:25:17.190 Hold on let me yeah because i could give you i'm gonna get it precise i'm gonna 00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:21.030 do like ways right now to work if i left right now, 00:25:21.770 --> 00:25:28.490 it is 23.2 miles and ways says if i did it right now at this very second on 00:25:28.490 --> 00:25:31.350 a saturday morning it would take 34 minutes so. 00:25:31.350 --> 00:25:38.950 34 minutes so 23.2 miles to take 34 minutes i will do the at 2 a.m the 50 miles 00:25:38.950 --> 00:25:43.630 from Miami to my house in 41 minutes. 00:25:44.890 --> 00:25:50.090 So I'm guessing that I could do that in about a little over 20. 00:25:50.750 --> 00:25:51.110 Okay. 00:25:51.190 --> 00:25:54.950 Yeah, that's about right. That sounds, yeah. I'd do it in about 20 minutes. Yeah. 00:25:55.170 --> 00:25:57.530 Now there's parts at the beginning and the end that aren't highway, 00:25:57.810 --> 00:26:00.070 but you know, Yvonne could treat them all as highway anyway, 00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:01.710 you know, just that I don't. 00:26:01.790 --> 00:26:04.010 That really doesn't faze red lights. 00:26:04.130 --> 00:26:05.390 Who cares? You know, whatever. 00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:09.930 I'll stop for those. That's what got me into trouble with the cops once because 00:26:09.930 --> 00:26:11.230 I do respect the red light. 00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:14.450 So all of a sudden I realized it like turn red that I would like slam the brakes 00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:17.810 and all four tires would be smoking and they realized Jesus, 00:26:17.970 --> 00:26:21.110 this guy must have been coming really fast as a stoplight if yeah that's how 00:26:21.110 --> 00:26:24.830 it stopped as all four tires are going yeah well. 00:26:24.830 --> 00:26:27.970 Anyway then stop the no traffic time 00:26:27.970 --> 00:26:35.950 is about 35 minutes and the normal i'd say like regular traffic i'd been having 00:26:35.950 --> 00:26:41.050 is about an hour okay plus or minus depending on what was going on but i'm like 00:26:41.050 --> 00:26:45.030 you know i have to allocate two hours because you never know with rush hour 00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:46.590 traffic and blah blah, blah, blah. 00:26:47.070 --> 00:26:51.650 So of course, so I'm like, okay, I have to leave at 6am to get to the 8am meeting 00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:54.050 to be, to be sure to be on time for the 8am meeting. 00:26:54.850 --> 00:27:02.310 And in order to leave at six, I have to be getting up at like five or some ridiculous time like that. 00:27:02.990 --> 00:27:06.210 Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it works. Yeah. 00:27:06.550 --> 00:27:12.590 And, and by the way, this was for an 8am meeting that nobody was going to be 00:27:12.590 --> 00:27:17.790 in the same building for anyway it was going to be a conference call whatever but. 00:27:17.790 --> 00:27:21.190 That's because okay nobody was working remotely it's because the participants 00:27:21.190 --> 00:27:22.790 were all in different locations. 00:27:22.790 --> 00:27:26.250 Yes okay yes and then 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:29.170 are well i don't know if they were working remotely or not but 00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:32.350 the but they were all in different locations and the 00:27:32.350 --> 00:27:35.570 only and i was trying to get there in person anyway 00:27:35.570 --> 00:27:39.670 because at nine o'clock i had the beginning of this all day thing right and 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:42.890 i didn't want to be traveling in the middle of the all day otherwise i would 00:27:42.890 --> 00:27:49.050 have taken the 8 a.m by home from home and then gone in right anyway needless 00:27:49.050 --> 00:27:53.290 to say i failed to get up at 5 a.m i i i repeatedly, 00:27:54.030 --> 00:28:00.750 was like snooze effect effectively anyway instead of instead of snooze i was 00:28:00.750 --> 00:28:04.670 telling alexa to like set a 30 minute timer and stuff like that but yes well 00:28:04.670 --> 00:28:07.470 yeah it's the same thing it's the same thing It's the same idea. 00:28:07.590 --> 00:28:08.850 I was effectively snoozing. 00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:14.250 I ended up actually leaving the house closer to seven than to six, 00:28:14.450 --> 00:28:16.670 which meant I had one hour to get there. 00:28:17.310 --> 00:28:23.530 Now, when at the moment I got into the car, it said I was still going to make it just barely. 00:28:23.810 --> 00:28:24.330 Okay. 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:29.030 Okay. By the time I'd made it from my house to the highway. Okay. 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:34.680 It had decided that that was not the case anymore. It had already slipped to, 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.480 I'm going to be like five minutes late or something. And I'm like, 00:28:37.520 --> 00:28:38.540 ah, five minutes, whatever. 00:28:39.040 --> 00:28:44.420 But I got to the highway, to the exit to get onto the highway nearest my house. 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:51.160 It was a dead stop. It was like red lights as far as you could see. 00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:54.600 Nobody moving. the little the little 00:28:54.600 --> 00:28:58.780 thing that the lights that come on and let one car yeah yeah yeah highway were 00:28:58.780 --> 00:29:05.040 were active and it was all backed up you know and obviously that there'd been 00:29:05.040 --> 00:29:09.280 an accident somewhere blah blah blah and the time kept slipping the you know 00:29:09.280 --> 00:29:12.740 i'm gonna be 10 minutes late i'm gonna be 20 minutes late well could you. 00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:18.180 Well here's a question this is just like a virtual beat could you you know connect. 00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:21.100 Well this is what i did right i okay so 00:29:21.100 --> 00:29:24.120 so i i ended up i i was 00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:27.040 watching the time and the estimates and it 00:29:27.040 --> 00:29:31.600 actually after i i got on the highway eventually i got past where the accident 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:35.580 was and it started freeing up and for a little bit it started saying i was going 00:29:35.580 --> 00:29:38.940 to make it again i'm like oh maybe i'll make it or be like one or two minutes 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:45.360 late no big deal i'll do that but then it started slipping backwards again so i i was like Like, okay, 00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:50.080 at 7.45, I will assess the situation. 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.780 And if it says I'm going to be more than five minutes late, I will pull off 00:29:54.780 --> 00:30:00.440 the highway and like, you know, pull into the parking lot by a Starbucks or 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.680 something and get online to this stupid meeting. 00:30:03.800 --> 00:30:08.080 So at 7.45, it was saying I wouldn't get there till like 8.20 or something. 00:30:08.320 --> 00:30:10.240 And so, yeah, I pull off the highway. 00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:15.180 I find a parking lot. I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, I'll dial in from my laptop. 00:30:15.220 --> 00:30:21.040 I'll use, I'll tether to my phone and I'll, I'll dial in from my laptop. Laptop battery is dead. 00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:26.560 You know you can plug it into the usbc charger right. 00:30:26.560 --> 00:30:31.980 Yes but my usbc charger in my in my not a lot of. 00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:32.960 Not a lot of output. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.660 The the juice is enough that it would 00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:38.900 probably take 12 hours to like get the laptop charged 00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:42.020 up right yeah maybe not it would 00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:44.860 probably boot sooner than that but the point was i had 00:30:44.860 --> 00:30:47.840 oh god so it was 00:30:47.840 --> 00:30:50.680 so so i did plug in the laptop but it did not 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.700 revive within the time i was sitting there so what 00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:57.080 i did was i i i i 00:30:57.080 --> 00:31:00.240 i slacked the person who was running the meeting from my phone 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.180 asked him to send me the link because like i i don't have my like work email 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:11.060 and stuff on my phone my work email and calendar intentionally i don't have 00:31:11.060 --> 00:31:13.320 i don't have anything on my personal 00:31:13.320 --> 00:31:17.700 phone that would require me to give administrative access to my well. 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:19.460 Your company doesn't pay for your phone right. 00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:24.860 My company does not pay for my okay so no i could i could conceivably like i 00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:29.140 could get them to subsidize it a little bit if but i i just no no no it's not. 00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:32.240 Like in my case in my case my company pays for my service and stuff or. 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.320 Whatever because you know i'm. 00:31:33.320 --> 00:31:34.520 On i'm on the road so you know. 00:31:34.520 --> 00:31:40.200 Like they yeah yeah yeah they they would i believe pay some amount but i like 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.560 it's not worth it it's not worth it and and so yeah. 00:31:43.560 --> 00:31:46.700 Some amount to me is not worth it i'm like either you know you're paying for 00:31:46.700 --> 00:31:50.000 it or what's the deal i'm like no they're paying for mine so i i'm like of course 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.760 i have all of that there but i get it you know i mean if they're not i mean 00:31:53.760 --> 00:31:56.220 i'm getting it yeah it doesn't. 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:57.100 Yeah so i don't have those. 00:31:57.100 --> 00:31:59.340 You're not you're not insanely i mean like i said you know. 00:31:59.340 --> 00:32:04.340 I do i do i do have the company slack on my phone because i just have to log 00:32:04.340 --> 00:32:07.760 into it i don't have to like give them control of anything right like, 00:32:08.360 --> 00:32:12.680 and once upon a time i did have all that company stuff on my phone but i just 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.220 was not comfortable with it and it got rid of it at some, cause, 00:32:15.340 --> 00:32:18.620 cause they add restrictions of like, there's things you're not supposed to do 00:32:18.620 --> 00:32:20.200 with your phone that are like, 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.460 frankly, normal usage of your phone. Now they don't know. 00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:26.800 They only enforce some of it, but like, it was annoying. 00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:30.520 I didn't like it. So anyway, so I got the dial in information and dialed in 00:32:30.520 --> 00:32:34.640 from the car and then drove and then drove the rest of the way with them on the, on the line. 00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:40.100 But the point was, the point of this was traffic was horrific. Okay. 00:32:41.410 --> 00:32:46.450 yeah it and like normally i don't have 8 a.m meetings on a regular basis usually 00:32:46.450 --> 00:32:53.450 the earliest people are doing stuff is 9 or 10 but like even 9 o'clock you know it's like you have to, 00:32:53.950 --> 00:32:58.230 to be reliably there you have to leave at 7 and by the way most of the time 00:32:58.230 --> 00:33:03.070 that will get you there by like 8 15 or 8 30 so you're there earlier than you 00:33:03.070 --> 00:33:08.350 need to be at that point i guess i could get like coffee and I don't drink coffee, but I could get a snack. 00:33:08.530 --> 00:33:09.590 Yeah. So yeah. Something. 00:33:09.790 --> 00:33:14.310 But, but the point, the point is yes, the, the, the trip there was horrific. 00:33:14.310 --> 00:33:21.010 And then that, that, that day I ended up doing this also offsite onsite thing. 00:33:21.410 --> 00:33:25.430 I said, like I said, almost everybody was in California. There were two of us 00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.910 that were in a conference room in Seattle and it was good to see that person 00:33:28.910 --> 00:33:30.230 in person and talk to him. 00:33:30.410 --> 00:33:34.270 No, no question. I had a good conversation with him offline from the meeting, 00:33:34.270 --> 00:33:39.410 but like the rest of the days I've been in are still the case where most of 00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:43.030 the people I work with are not in Seattle. 00:33:43.490 --> 00:33:46.950 So it's still like I'm going and sitting there. 00:33:47.350 --> 00:33:53.730 It's not like I'm actually interacting in person with like my team all the time, blah, blah, blah. 00:33:54.130 --> 00:34:00.870 I mean, maybe even then I don't like the trade-off, but I understand the thought of the trade-off. 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:05.230 But the reality for a lot of people is still that most of the people they work 00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:08.090 with are scattered throughout the world. And so, I don't know. 00:34:08.970 --> 00:34:13.810 It's just a reality for some of us. I mean, I think this is one of these things 00:34:13.810 --> 00:34:17.650 that really varies a lot. You know, I. 00:34:18.830 --> 00:34:22.970 There are certainly there are certainly teams. And we've talked about like specifically, 00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:29.870 like, you know, new in their career, people who are learning the ropes. 00:34:30.390 --> 00:34:34.350 And like, if you've got a dev team, that's all sitting together and they can 00:34:34.350 --> 00:34:37.890 like, you know, talk to each other and bounce problems off each other. 00:34:38.590 --> 00:34:40.670 That's a different scenario. 00:34:40.950 --> 00:34:47.010 But I mean, I, I, the one thing I will say that, but then we need to move on 00:34:47.010 --> 00:34:49.350 because otherwise we'll, the show will be five hours. 00:34:50.890 --> 00:34:55.410 i'm i'm perfectly fine with working remotely with people you know when they're, 00:34:56.170 --> 00:34:59.090 easily accessible during regular business hours 00:34:59.090 --> 00:35:03.730 i get really irritated and this started happening especially when at hb we started 00:35:03.730 --> 00:35:07.050 moving remotely some people got the idea oh i'm remotely i'm like i'm never 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:12.450 answering anybody i mean seriously and i had certain people that it was just 00:35:12.450 --> 00:35:18.870 like dude yeah you're supposedly working remotely i try to reach you, 00:35:19.350 --> 00:35:22.670 You don't answer email. You don't answer email. 00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:27.020 you know i don't know i think we used the microsoft whatever 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:32.460 the hell chat thing we used right right you know you don't answer anything okay 00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:37.740 you know i'm like what the fuck well now that guy when he was in the office 00:35:37.740 --> 00:35:41.400 you know he was kind of like difficult to get but i knew where the fuck he was 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:47.000 in the office and i could go like get him hey dude i need your shit like today well. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.320 That's the whole thing like the the remote thing is a different way of doing 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.740 things and you have to handle it differently but you have to have that accountability 00:35:55.740 --> 00:35:59.460 too like if people can't get a hold of you then you're not doing your job. 00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.300 That's right you. 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:05.640 Know it's like you can't evaluate people anymore by are they sitting in their seat. 00:36:05.640 --> 00:36:07.380 Now x number of hours. 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:11.960 But you still can evaluate them on you know. 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:17.480 Are they responsive do they think i've seen that i sometimes i i see the frustration 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.500 as to why some management default to like sending a whole bunch of people like 00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:26.120 everybody back to work and certain things like in that when I have recently 00:36:26.120 --> 00:36:28.620 experienced with a number of people, especially that are younger, 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.960 that don't fucking answer anything. 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:38.480 Email, they definitely will not pick up the phone. Okay. 00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:42.800 That's for sure. And I'm trying, I'm like, dude, I need you. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.060 And you're supposed, it's business hours. You're not answering. 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.680 And that really fucking pisses me off. 00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:53.760 I understand yeah anyway look 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:59.600 and i and again and this is something we've debated for years now i don't deny 00:36:59.600 --> 00:37:05.360 some advantages of being in person it's just there's trade-offs there too there's 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.900 a lot of loss there so okay. 00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:10.920 So all right. 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:18.860 So anyway that's it like i you know i you know uh it sucks Okay. It sucks. It sucks. 00:37:19.620 --> 00:37:27.180 And I'm sure I will adapt accordingly, but it still sucks. And I think it's stupid. 00:37:27.540 --> 00:37:35.500 And I think the companies that successfully lean into remote and figure out 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:41.440 how to make it work well will actually end up having a competitive advantage over the years. 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:47.100 Like it may take a while for that to like fully evolve, but I think that's going 00:37:47.100 --> 00:37:51.120 to be an advantage over the years. And the companies who are instead trying 00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:56.280 to bring things back to the 1990s are going to end up harmed by it in the end. 00:37:56.540 --> 00:37:59.720 Right now, the labor market is such that they can get away with it. 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.280 I don't think it'll stay that way forever. 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:02.360 Okay. 00:38:02.740 --> 00:38:08.560 Okay. So with all that, let us take a break and then we will come back and Yvonne 00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:11.240 will start us off with some actual newsy topics. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.600 And then we will go from there. 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:18.580 So first break is a random wiki of the day. Here we go. 00:39:57.470 --> 00:40:02.110 Okay. Before I ask you for your main topic, Yvonne, one additional thing to 00:40:02.110 --> 00:40:05.490 say real quick, and this is just a note, no discussion needed. 00:40:06.650 --> 00:40:09.930 Almost a year ago, I think it was last March or April, actually, 00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:15.290 but almost a year ago, I replaced my whole computer setup. I got a new desk. 00:40:15.410 --> 00:40:17.270 I got new monitors. I got a new laptop. 00:40:17.490 --> 00:40:23.030 I have been thrilled and happy with almost everything in that whole setup. 00:40:23.030 --> 00:40:27.910 But I will say the one thing and we talked about it on the show at the time 00:40:27.910 --> 00:40:32.030 that I cheaped out on and I was like, I don't have to spend a lot of money on 00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:34.810 this piece was my desk chair. 00:40:34.970 --> 00:40:38.050 And I will say I do regret it. 00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:40.290 This thing is already falling the fuck apart. 00:40:41.070 --> 00:40:41.570 Okay. 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:49.030 Like I just during the break, I sat back and like the like one of the bars in 00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.850 it like was I felt it on me instead of the cushion. 00:40:53.030 --> 00:40:58.490 And I'm like, you got to be like, and it's loose. I could probably tighten up 00:40:58.490 --> 00:41:00.710 some of the screws and it'd be a little bit better again. 00:41:01.030 --> 00:41:03.870 I don't have right now the most expensive. 00:41:03.870 --> 00:41:05.490 You talked about this. 00:41:05.690 --> 00:41:06.470 I bought a Costco one. 00:41:06.910 --> 00:41:07.090 Yeah. 00:41:07.270 --> 00:41:07.770 And it's good. 00:41:08.230 --> 00:41:15.990 This was like some random online share that costs like 60 or 70 bucks. Like it was cheap. 00:41:16.290 --> 00:41:19.710 This didn't cost that much more. It was like about a hundred bucks at Costco. 00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:26.230 And I am feeling right now that maybe I don't, you know, look, 00:41:26.350 --> 00:41:29.950 I'm not going to do like the $2,000 expensive chair. 00:41:30.270 --> 00:41:34.230 Look, I have been, listen, now that you mentioned this, I have been looking at one of those. 00:41:34.970 --> 00:41:38.950 I got, I will say that there is one that, listen, but there is, 00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:40.170 listen, you brought the chair. 00:41:40.330 --> 00:41:46.730 There's been specifically this last week, I saw this ad for this chair called the chill chair. 00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:51.130 Now, the one thing that was very attractive about this share, 00:41:51.350 --> 00:41:56.450 more than any of the other ones I see, is that it has the ability that at some 00:41:56.450 --> 00:41:58.010 point, say you're on a conference call. 00:41:58.550 --> 00:42:04.610 And I like, I wind up like lifting my feet like on the desk. 00:42:04.770 --> 00:42:07.110 Well, no, this has like this thing. 00:42:07.110 --> 00:42:07.750 I'm looking at it. 00:42:07.950 --> 00:42:13.410 Yes. So you could like, well, just like, oh, I want to be comfortable. 00:42:13.630 --> 00:42:16.090 I want to raise. Exactly. And you're like, ah. 00:42:16.370 --> 00:42:25.750 I'll tell you right now. Like I, I, I always like when I'm at my most productive, I have my feet up. 00:42:25.750 --> 00:42:29.810 And like right now, people on video can see I'm sort of in a feed up position 00:42:29.810 --> 00:42:32.310 right now. I have my feet on a trash can. 00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:34.990 Like I have a full size large kitchen. 00:42:34.990 --> 00:42:36.830 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not the best thing. 00:42:36.930 --> 00:42:37.410 I know. 00:42:37.410 --> 00:42:41.950 But, you know, I mean, it's workable. It's like me putting up my feet on the 00:42:41.950 --> 00:42:43.610 desk. Well, that's not the best thing. 00:42:43.950 --> 00:42:50.910 This thing has this little extension thing. So you could just raise your feet. Yes. 00:42:50.990 --> 00:42:51.990 I see that. 00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:53.130 It's got massage. 00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:53.930 Yes. 00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:58.290 It's got massage. It's gut raising the feet. It's got heat. 00:42:58.530 --> 00:43:02.070 It's got, and I'm like looking at this thing and I'm looking at the price thing 00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:03.810 and I'm like, fuck, I can't keep spending. 00:43:04.290 --> 00:43:10.230 I went, you know, I went through how I spent money the last two years and I'm 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:15.850 like looking at all this shit I spent money on and I'm like, no, no, no, no. 00:43:15.910 --> 00:43:18.350 I'm not fucking spending another two grand. 00:43:18.870 --> 00:43:22.970 No, no, no. I've just been like burning money. Like it's, it's, 00:43:23.090 --> 00:43:24.390 you know, it's like, I mean. 00:43:25.130 --> 00:43:30.830 No, no, as I said, I am not going to get like a multi-thousand dollar chair 00:43:30.830 --> 00:43:37.030 that is just not happening, but, but look, I might, I might say, 00:43:37.430 --> 00:43:38.590 yeah, look at that chair. Yeah. 00:43:38.730 --> 00:43:41.710 Yeah. But I might say like, okay, yes, yes. 00:43:41.870 --> 00:43:47.690 But I might say this, this like $60, $70 chair was okay for like. 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:53.820 eight months. Maybe I'll go for a couple hundred. 00:43:54.080 --> 00:43:57.240 Maybe I'll go for a couple hundred and hope it lasts a little longer. 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.600 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this Costco chair has been quite a few years and it's 00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:03.600 lasted pretty well to be honest. 00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:08.840 So the one good thing, listen, Costco, usually whatever they sell, 00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:11.660 good price and they've tested it. 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.260 So usually good quality. So you're not going to get one that's only going to last you six months. 00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:20.840 Yeah yeah so i mean so i'm thinking like almost every time i sit on this thing 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:25.620 now i'm like it's uncomfortable you know and it wasn't when i first bought it 00:44:25.620 --> 00:44:28.140 but like it's already deteriorating it was. 00:44:28.140 --> 00:44:30.160 It was it was not not not high quality. 00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:34.980 Yeah so i mean i don't know i there's like i said i could probably tighten up 00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:39.660 the screws i could probably add some like some cushioning i don't know after. 00:44:39.660 --> 00:44:42.300 Six months it shouldn't be needing all of that stuff. 00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:47.320 Yeah so i'm thinking maybe the chair gets replaced and i increase the budget 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.440 a little bit yeah but not a lot i would say i'm not i'm not getting your chill 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.180 chair thin here i'm not doing that desk. 00:44:55.180 --> 00:44:58.980 Chairs here we go i see at costco here we go i gotta see if i find one. 00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:03.060 Yeah yeah okay at you know it's 160. 00:45:03.060 --> 00:45:06.680 169 dollars there you go costco there you go. 00:45:06.680 --> 00:45:12.080 Yeah i could that that that's about the budget range i'm thinking yeah yeah yeah you know. 00:45:12.080 --> 00:45:17.260 They've got you know they've got 160 bucks 120 bucks they got something to go 00:45:17.260 --> 00:45:21.680 over that but they've got plenty of very nice looking chairs for less than 200 00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:26.060 i must admit this is this did they have a they have a pretty decent selection. 00:45:26.060 --> 00:45:33.020 Yeah i'm i'm i'm looking at their website yeah anyway i'm not going to shop 00:45:33.020 --> 00:45:34.860 online while talking to you, Yvonne. 00:45:35.140 --> 00:45:35.420 Okay. 00:45:36.140 --> 00:45:43.220 Anyway, okay, Yvonne, real topics. Real topics. Where do you want to start us off? 00:45:44.620 --> 00:45:50.120 There has been news, there have been things going on, and obviously we're only 00:45:50.120 --> 00:45:52.220 days away from the second Trump administration. 00:45:52.600 --> 00:45:56.480 Okay, I'm going to start with the one that actually got, well, 00:45:56.540 --> 00:46:00.480 I know I gave the second thumbs up, but two thumbs up on the list. 00:46:01.220 --> 00:46:04.900 Which is... Meta moderation changes. Okay. 00:46:05.080 --> 00:46:05.260 Yes. 00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:10.660 And meta in general, like, well, there is not just meta, 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:19.020 but like there seems to be a, a theme of companies making changes to be more 00:46:19.020 --> 00:46:22.740 friendly to Trump world as Trump world approaches. 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:28.240 What I said, this is, you know, I've said this, I think I've said it on our 00:46:28.240 --> 00:46:32.920 Slack and I said it in other places when this subject has come up. 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.140 I basically said, look, Suck is a grifter. 00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:50.680 And if Harris had won in a landslide, there would be gay pride flags all over HQ this week. 00:46:50.780 --> 00:46:57.100 And he would be on, I don't know, what's that, on The View interviewing. 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:09.540 So Trump won. So he's on Joe Rogan, and he is talking about his masculinity and, you know, 00:47:10.120 --> 00:47:16.260 I don't know, making all these changes for so-called free speech. 00:47:17.540 --> 00:47:21.100 I mean, he's just a grifter. That's all there is to it. 00:47:21.220 --> 00:47:25.100 There's no conviction in there about anything. He's just a grifter. 00:47:25.100 --> 00:47:30.560 And he will suck up to whomever just for for dollars. 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.820 I think we also spoke spoke a couple of weeks about certain, 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:39.440 you know, a lot of companies that were donating to the inaugural to the inaugural. 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:46.840 And how I was like, look, you got to at least I said you have to at least in 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.860 some way ingratiate yourself with this administration because they're going 00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:52.120 to be regulating your ass. 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.940 OK, and I get that. But but wait, Yvonne. 00:47:57.080 --> 00:47:58.080 Bribery is illegal. 00:47:59.220 --> 00:48:05.020 Oh, oh, it is. I mean, I think that it's pretty clear that, you know, 00:48:05.120 --> 00:48:08.400 like right now, the SCOTUS has taken a view that this is just, 00:48:08.580 --> 00:48:11.020 you know, this is all fine. Yeah. 00:48:11.500 --> 00:48:11.620 Yes. 00:48:12.260 --> 00:48:16.420 Especially for the president, you know, that he and themselves and themselves. 00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:20.780 And themselves that they can take all the money that they, you know, that they can get. 00:48:21.990 --> 00:48:25.490 But, you know, so, yeah, you know, so they're out there. 00:48:25.690 --> 00:48:32.330 But but Zuck is taking it to the level of, I mean, just just just being such a sucker. 00:48:32.570 --> 00:48:37.910 And by the way, I think here's a problem that I've always seen with with with behaving like this. 00:48:38.190 --> 00:48:43.850 The people that are the biggest suck ups like this usually are the ones that get screwed the worst. 00:48:44.850 --> 00:48:49.430 Because all you're showing is that you have no conviction and that you're weak. 00:48:50.170 --> 00:48:50.690 Right. 00:48:50.690 --> 00:48:57.690 And to me, it's, I mean, the fact that it all came out just in such a massive 00:48:57.690 --> 00:49:00.870 way, like all at once, like that. 00:49:00.930 --> 00:49:04.310 Well, let's enumerate the things real quick for background. 00:49:04.510 --> 00:49:04.670 Yes. 00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:10.550 One, Zuck has said, they've had for years, well, since 2016 was the trigger for it. 00:49:10.630 --> 00:49:12.870 They had a partnership with various 00:49:12.870 --> 00:49:16.730 fact-checking orgs, like Snopes and PolitiFact and blah, blah, blah. 00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:21.210 There's like eight of these organizations that they had partnerships with where 00:49:21.210 --> 00:49:27.030 they would do fact checking on things that were going viral and basically add 00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:29.210 labels to them based on the fact checker stuff. 00:49:29.830 --> 00:49:35.190 Zuck said, hey, we're going to do something more like what X is doing now with 00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:39.370 community notes, which basically is like we're not going to partner with any 00:49:39.370 --> 00:49:41.770 orgs that have like known reputations or anything. 00:49:41.770 --> 00:49:48.970 It's just going to be basically the community can add context to things. 00:49:49.230 --> 00:49:55.150 And to be fair, this has sometimes worked even on X, like where the community, 00:49:55.350 --> 00:50:00.210 you know, Elon himself has had posts that he's made that get community notes 00:50:00.210 --> 00:50:03.370 added saying exactly why he's full of shit. 00:50:03.990 --> 00:50:07.030 You know, so this does sometimes work. 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:13.130 And in fact, I've seen some arguments that it might even work better because it can scale better. 00:50:13.650 --> 00:50:21.950 But the one trick to it is, well, how do you in the end determine who to trust? 00:50:22.070 --> 00:50:26.750 Because you can also get situations where the community notes is correcting 00:50:26.750 --> 00:50:29.750 something that's right with something that's wrong. 00:50:29.750 --> 00:50:32.750 you know so you have to be careful with 00:50:32.750 --> 00:50:35.470 that and you're sort of relying on wisdom of the crowds to 00:50:35.470 --> 00:50:38.450 always get the right thing which it may or may not do but in any 00:50:38.450 --> 00:50:43.530 case he's basically saying we're not going to partner with these these organizations 00:50:43.530 --> 00:50:48.350 who are known for this and he his statement about it went ahead and like said 00:50:48.350 --> 00:50:52.830 that they were biased and stuff like that now we'll talk about each i'm tempted 00:50:52.830 --> 00:50:56.530 to dive right into talking about this one but let's hit the other changes too. 00:50:56.770 --> 00:51:04.870 They also changed their guidelines on the hate speech guidelines on what's acceptable and what's not. 00:51:05.230 --> 00:51:10.550 Basically allowing a lot more things that were prohibited. 00:51:11.390 --> 00:51:17.170 Basically slurs against various groups, anti-trans statements, blah, blah, blah. 00:51:17.390 --> 00:51:21.650 Basically opening this up in the name of free speech saying that, 00:51:21.730 --> 00:51:25.410 hey, a lot more is allowed than was before. 00:51:25.530 --> 00:51:30.630 I am sure there's still a line somewhere, but it's been adjusted and it's, you know, 00:51:30.750 --> 00:51:35.970 basically allows for a lot more negative speech to a lot more groups and, 00:51:36.050 --> 00:51:42.550 and not coincidentally, these are all groups that Trump and the MAGA folks have been going out. 00:51:43.950 --> 00:51:46.890 And one last thing, and then we can talk about all three of them. 00:51:47.290 --> 00:51:53.410 They, along with a bunch of other companies, have also announced basically retreats 00:51:53.410 --> 00:52:00.190 or shutdowns in a lot of DEI initiatives, in diversity initiatives within the companies for hiring, 00:52:00.570 --> 00:52:06.150 for education, for making people respect various differences in culture, et cetera. 00:52:06.330 --> 00:52:09.410 They've pulled back on those things too. Those are the three main things I know 00:52:09.410 --> 00:52:11.170 about. Did I miss any, Yvonne? 00:52:11.450 --> 00:52:12.210 No, no, no. 00:52:12.250 --> 00:52:14.710 Okay. So let's talk about them individually. 00:52:15.290 --> 00:52:19.490 Well, one thing about you're talking about the allowing certain things to be 00:52:19.490 --> 00:52:23.290 discussed and how they're dialing back some of their moderation. 00:52:23.610 --> 00:52:25.630 Yes. I will say that. 00:52:26.690 --> 00:52:32.830 their moderation had also gotten like somewhat off the rails crazy okay. 00:52:32.830 --> 00:52:37.790 Oh yeah like like cracking down on too much stuff i mean cracking. 00:52:37.790 --> 00:52:40.410 Down on like innocuous comments randomly for. 00:52:40.410 --> 00:52:45.810 No reason if you if you remember for for specifically both you know all of the 00:52:45.810 --> 00:52:51.570 meta owned stuff facebook instagram threads had basically been very actively 00:52:51.570 --> 00:52:54.370 deprioritizing anything political at all, 00:52:54.990 --> 00:52:58.930 You could still post it, but they would not boost it. 00:52:59.050 --> 00:53:02.470 It would get very little algorithmic visibility, et cetera, because they were 00:53:02.470 --> 00:53:04.810 like, we don't want to be in that business. 00:53:05.350 --> 00:53:07.910 They're now removing some of those restrictions again, too. 00:53:08.290 --> 00:53:12.970 But that's the thing. But my problem is that that's a choice. 00:53:12.970 --> 00:53:15.570 They can make. They could say this is not the problem. That's a choice they can make. 00:53:18.390 --> 00:53:21.130 But that's not the way they framed it. Right. 00:53:22.290 --> 00:53:25.730 That's the thing. That's not the way they framed it. you know you could say 00:53:25.730 --> 00:53:31.090 hey you know look we have been in a business where one of the things is that 00:53:31.090 --> 00:53:35.970 we have been trying to prioritize other other speech not political speech okay 00:53:35.970 --> 00:53:39.370 as our choice of what we want in the environment we want. 00:53:39.370 --> 00:53:40.890 Your cute cat videos. 00:53:40.890 --> 00:53:44.930 We don't want this shit we really don't want we really don't want the place 00:53:44.930 --> 00:53:50.110 to be uh cesspools arguing about dei or whatever the fuck Okay. Right. All right. 00:53:50.790 --> 00:53:55.250 And so, but now we're, we're going to change that. But the problem is I, I. 00:53:56.300 --> 00:53:58.960 And I, and they're backing off 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.020 from that. Now they're, they're opening the spigots again for politics. 00:54:02.180 --> 00:54:06.380 They, they, part of what Zuck said was like, we've heard your feedback that 00:54:06.380 --> 00:54:09.220 people do want to talk about this stuff. So now we're going to let you. 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.040 Yeah. But, but the problem is that there's a lot of people that don't want it 00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:18.120 anyway. And I'm like, and the only people that are bitching about it are right-wing psychopaths. 00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:20.060 Okay. For the most part, as far as I can tell. 00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:24.240 And I'm like, look, unless you go and like you make me, and actually I did see 00:54:24.240 --> 00:54:29.720 this. there was in threads recently and it added a button that said hey do you 00:54:29.720 --> 00:54:30.820 want to see political content. 00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:34.820 Yes and i basically said no and i said no oh. 00:54:34.820 --> 00:54:35.680 You did i. 00:54:35.680 --> 00:54:39.700 Said but but also to be but that's fine but i'm like but wait i'm. 00:54:39.700 --> 00:54:41.040 Like gives you the i'm like okay. 00:54:41.040 --> 00:54:45.820 And also by the way threads does allow you to go to the followed tab which isn't 00:54:45.820 --> 00:54:49.940 influenced by that at all like i i clicked that button but i never look at the 00:54:49.940 --> 00:54:53.580 threads algorithmic tab at all i flip straight to the other one but. 00:54:53.580 --> 00:54:59.160 My whole thing is, and this has been the issue with ever since many of these 00:54:59.160 --> 00:55:04.940 started applying like really like intense algorithms to all of this versus originally 00:55:04.940 --> 00:55:07.880 how it was like really when Facebook started. 00:55:08.500 --> 00:55:12.240 Yeah, it was basically that for the most part. And the question was. 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:12.860 I mean, there was a day. 00:55:13.100 --> 00:55:15.000 Chronological. Right. 00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:18.380 But there was a day where Facebook was actually about seeing what your friends 00:55:18.380 --> 00:55:19.980 and family were up to these days. 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:21.920 That's it. And that was basically it. 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.400 And that's not what. 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.940 Whether you wanted to see it. You have to dig to find that stuff now. Yeah. 00:55:26.260 --> 00:55:30.680 Do you want to put the priority on like chronological or what's trending amongst 00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:32.120 them? And that was basically it. 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.900 And now it's like, I don't know. You log in. 00:55:35.580 --> 00:55:38.620 And God knows what the hell you're going to be presented first. Okay. 00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:43.420 Yeah. You have no, no, no, no, no clue. And I think that that's one of the bigger, 00:55:43.420 --> 00:55:46.520 bigger problems in which a lot of these platforms basically, 00:55:46.900 --> 00:55:51.940 because they want to drive whatever content gives engagement, 00:55:52.200 --> 00:55:55.680 you know, creates engagement, which the engagement is what creates clicks, 00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.740 which creates money where they completely, you know, 00:56:00.500 --> 00:56:05.780 don't care what the, they don't, Zuck doesn't want to care about what the fuck the content is. 00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:07.780 Well and he has said this before. 00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:08.560 He has said this. 00:56:08.560 --> 00:56:11.620 Before they had to back off this week from like 00:56:11.620 --> 00:56:15.440 flooding it with ai stuff too like facebook 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.320 it had been saying we're we're going to create a whole bunch 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:28.080 of like ai content creators who are going to be in your feed and and they they'd 00:56:28.080 --> 00:56:33.200 already prototyped like 30 of them or whatever and and people got wind that 00:56:33.200 --> 00:56:35.800 they were actively planning on saying, yeah, 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.580 we want to get to the point where most of what you see is just AI generated. 00:56:40.220 --> 00:56:43.360 And people are like, we don't want that. 00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:48.260 I don't get it. 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:54.180 Because if you're optimizing, it's cheaper, but if you're optimizing for engagement, 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.360 get the humans out of the loop. 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:02.580 You don't have to pick which things you instead have ai constantly optimizing 00:57:02.580 --> 00:57:06.240 like what gets you to click let's make more of that. 00:57:06.240 --> 00:57:10.740 And that's the whole problem with these damn platforms today okay and it's the 00:57:10.740 --> 00:57:16.820 reason why many years ago you very wisely said and i you know i i wish that 00:57:16.820 --> 00:57:21.560 it is something that would have happened is that twitter should be run like wikipedia, 00:57:22.910 --> 00:57:26.670 You know, and not by, you know, not the way it's wound up being run. 00:57:26.890 --> 00:57:28.770 Okay. That that's the way it should be. 00:57:29.170 --> 00:57:32.230 Wikipedia is being attacked by all these folks right now too, by the way. 00:57:32.470 --> 00:57:36.470 Because of the way it's run. Right. Because they hate it. Because they hate 00:57:36.470 --> 00:57:39.150 it because it's not run, you know, it's not run just for their wimp. 00:57:39.990 --> 00:57:45.050 And, you know, and that's, that's today's, that's today's everything, isn't it? Right. 00:57:45.810 --> 00:57:52.310 I mean, I mean, that is every, I mean, that, that seems to be like everything everywhere. You know? 00:57:52.910 --> 00:57:57.510 You're not doing it for me. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making money out of it. 00:57:57.630 --> 00:58:01.090 You're, you're saying negative things about me, which may be true, 00:58:01.250 --> 00:58:03.650 but I hate them anyway. Fuck you. I hate you. 00:58:04.630 --> 00:58:07.170 Well, basically to talk about. 00:58:07.270 --> 00:58:10.730 So let's go, you know, you were going back and like, so let's go through each 00:58:10.730 --> 00:58:14.790 of the moderation changes. We'll go back to the fact checking. The fact checking. 00:58:15.610 --> 00:58:22.330 I'm like, look, this is another one of those that is a decision as content provider. 00:58:22.910 --> 00:58:25.070 That is their call. 00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:26.330 Absolutely. 00:58:26.830 --> 00:58:35.730 Whether you want to try to provide people, you know, facts based on what you 00:58:35.730 --> 00:58:37.330 believe are, you know, uh, 00:58:38.210 --> 00:58:40.090 you know you know i say you. 00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:41.710 Believe but you know do you want to. 00:58:41.710 --> 00:58:48.670 Do you want to provide people stuff that has been evaluated by several groups to be factual. 00:58:48.670 --> 00:58:51.470 Okay let me or you just. 00:58:51.470 --> 00:58:53.530 Want like the loudest you. 00:58:53.530 --> 00:58:54.350 Know and most. 00:58:54.350 --> 00:58:57.930 Popular voices to just get heard facts be damned. 00:58:57.930 --> 00:59:01.890 But let me let me just say one of the things that zuck said was one of the problems 00:59:01.890 --> 00:59:08.510 with the fact checkers where they were biased as far as i can tell the reason they're. 00:59:08.510 --> 00:59:09.130 Biased towards facts. 00:59:09.130 --> 00:59:14.670 They're biased towards facts i mean people have looked yes the. 00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:16.170 Fact checkers are gonna go and 00:59:16.170 --> 00:59:19.470 like get a post from the flat earthers and they're gonna be like fuck you. 00:59:19.470 --> 00:59:24.530 Well no it's not flat no no more specifically the accusation comes from the 00:59:24.530 --> 00:59:30.270 fact that they find conservative sources to be lying more often than liberal 00:59:30.270 --> 00:59:35.930 sources no shit sherlock and and so therefore they're biased and it's like no. 00:59:35.930 --> 00:59:40.070 This is just stupid this is just stupid conclusion. 00:59:40.070 --> 00:59:43.690 The the that is not bias the 00:59:43.690 --> 00:59:47.410 reality the reality right now is that 00:59:47.410 --> 00:59:51.370 look there's no shortage of 00:59:51.370 --> 00:59:54.270 exaggeration and occasional fibbing on 00:59:54.270 --> 00:59:57.510 the left as well however however however 00:59:57.510 --> 01:00:00.970 the pattern specifically in 01:00:00.970 --> 01:00:07.710 the donald trump era more so than ever before is that the entire freaking model 01:00:07.710 --> 01:00:14.610 is based on facts don't matter if facts don't matter making shit up alternative 01:00:14.610 --> 01:00:19.390 facts as alternative facts kellyanne conway once said Yes. You know, 01:00:19.610 --> 01:00:20.550 where they are basically. 01:00:21.050 --> 01:00:26.730 Where we laughed and realized that it wasn't just a line. It was an M.O. 01:00:27.010 --> 01:00:31.850 It was an M.O. The entire philosophy is if you don't like reality, 01:00:31.850 --> 01:00:35.530 you just say the opposite long enough and people believe it anyway. 01:00:36.740 --> 01:00:41.600 And there's so many domains this is in from, from climate change to, 01:00:41.600 --> 01:00:48.560 you know, to the, the situation with immigrants to the situation with trans people like this, this, 01:00:49.080 --> 01:00:53.760 you know, stuff that is nothing is blown up into something based on this kind of stuff. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.580 And, or things that are minor are blown up into major, you know, 01:00:58.780 --> 01:01:01.420 and, and it's, it's the whole MO. 01:01:01.420 --> 01:01:07.460 And so the fact that fact-checking organizations find problems with conservative 01:01:07.460 --> 01:01:12.160 sources more often than liberal sources is not evidence of bias. 01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:19.180 No. It's evidence that those organizations just lie nonstop on a regular basis about everything. 01:01:19.180 --> 01:01:26.080 Right. And so, like, look, again, there are arguments on is relying on a small 01:01:26.080 --> 01:01:32.160 number of organizations like this the right way to make to clean your information environment? 01:01:32.160 --> 01:01:35.440 It might not be. But that's not what's happening here. 01:01:35.560 --> 01:01:38.540 What's not? It's not that Zuck is actually saying, you know, 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.120 community notes do a better job at ascertaining accuracy. 01:01:43.120 --> 01:01:46.660 No, that's not exactly what. No, that's not what's happening. 01:01:46.780 --> 01:01:50.220 What he's saying is that, hey, these conservatives that I want to, 01:01:50.220 --> 01:01:54.780 you know, basically cozy up to right now don't like the fact that, 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.120 you know, when we're checking through their facts, they keep coming up as liars. 01:01:59.300 --> 01:02:02.620 And so, therefore, that's what I consider bias. 01:02:03.020 --> 01:02:04.880 Right. Jesus Christ. Yeah. 01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:08.120 Stupid, stupid shit. 01:02:08.860 --> 01:02:09.260 Yeah. 01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:12.640 Just just he could have just come out. But, you know, the thing is, 01:02:12.700 --> 01:02:16.580 Zuck is such a fucking just just weasel because he could just could have come 01:02:16.580 --> 01:02:18.780 up and just said, you know what? 01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:23.660 I'm not in the business of checking facts anymore. I just don't want to be right. 01:02:23.660 --> 01:02:29.520 You know, I and and, you know, let the discourse happen out there and, 01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:32.060 you know, let the people decide for themselves. 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:34.860 I just don't want to be in that business. 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:35.820 Right. 01:02:36.560 --> 01:02:39.320 I mean, but saying that it's bias, it's just like, you know, 01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:41.260 kiss my ass. you know i i mean. 01:02:41.260 --> 01:02:48.340 His statement like if you i did not watch the thing but i list i saw a bunch of clips i saw. 01:02:48.340 --> 01:02:55.600 Quotes i did i i mean it wasn't that long i watched i think i watched i it was a couple of sucking. 01:02:55.600 --> 01:02:57.480 Up it was full of sucking up. 01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:00.900 Yes a hundred percent it was full of statements dude 01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:05.840 he fucking named what's his name the ufc guy to the fucking board the same day 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:13.780 yes I mean are you fucking kidding me I mean I had never seen such a corporate 01:03:13.780 --> 01:03:18.420 zuck up pun intended ever in my life. 01:03:19.620 --> 01:03:24.400 Yeah. I mean, it's like almost every sentence was like, what do they want to 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.120 hear from us? Let me give it to us. 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:26.840 Yes. 01:03:27.060 --> 01:03:31.640 You know, this did not reek of this is now. I don't know. 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.940 I don't know what his actual personal opinions are on any of this stuff, 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:42.100 but this certainly like read as let's just make nice, give them everything they want. listen. 01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:46.760 What i what i said i don't think that he has any convictions i think he's just 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.940 a fucking grifter and i'm like and look if you look at back i remember watching 01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:55.000 the well they had that movie about when when facebook was created with the. 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.560 Wrinkle body i have not seen it it's on my list okay. 01:03:57.560 --> 01:04:02.660 Look as far as i can tell he was like that all the way back to the creation of facebook. 01:04:03.140 --> 01:04:04.120 This is you. 01:04:04.120 --> 01:04:09.000 Know if you you know if you watch that movie you see the depiction of him it 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:13.280 seems just it it tracks this tracks perfectly. 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.220 Right what. 01:04:14.220 --> 01:04:16.400 He just did it's all about the money. 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:22.460 So i think the next thing on the list of things the the loosening up of moderation 01:04:22.460 --> 01:04:31.160 policies just fits in the same boat like you know yeah you can you can you can claim that you know, 01:04:32.060 --> 01:04:34.960 trans people don't exist or that they're not 01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.820 real women or whatever and that's fine now it 01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:41.280 didn't used to be you can i there 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.440 are places that have lists of somebody leaked like 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:48.280 a manual or something that showed like some things that are now allowed that 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.920 weren't before and they're all like really obnoxious horrific comments about 01:04:53.920 --> 01:05:01.940 like look let's put it this way the the point of all of this moderation is not, 01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:13.340 Look, people could have sort of the unpopular opinion on any of these issues, 01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:22.180 and you could potentially have an actual debate in a rational way and talk about it. 01:05:22.220 --> 01:05:25.320 But that's not what happens online. 01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:27.420 What happens online is harassment. 01:05:27.600 --> 01:05:29.240 What happens online is harassment. 01:05:29.420 --> 01:05:33.280 It's serious harassment. That's the fucking problem. it's 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:38.860 not like we're we're debating about hey what's the best way of of giving health 01:05:38.860 --> 01:05:44.740 care to americans okay well we could do a market-based method we could do single-payer 01:05:44.740 --> 01:05:49.940 or whatever versus the illegal immigrants are taking all the free health care 01:05:49.940 --> 01:05:52.540 and they are eating cats well. 01:05:52.540 --> 01:05:57.480 And some of these some of the examples were specifically about uh gay and trans 01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:01.480 people and things like saying that, you know, those aren't real, 01:06:01.740 --> 01:06:03.000 you know, those are mental illnesses. 01:06:03.540 --> 01:06:05.800 Those are right. They're mental illnesses. Yes. 01:06:06.260 --> 01:06:08.420 You know, or they're pedophiles. 01:06:08.600 --> 01:06:12.500 They're all pedophiles. They're mentally ill pedophiles. 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:17.280 You know, and please don't take us out of context. This is we're quoting other people. 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:22.380 Yes, please. But, you know, and look, this is one of those things where, 01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:31.980 again, could you theoretically have a high-minded debate about the nature of. 01:06:33.220 --> 01:06:36.380 Trans people and what what what's going 01:06:36.380 --> 01:06:39.520 on physically mentally blah blah 01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:42.620 blah how what the right way to deal with it in society is 01:06:42.620 --> 01:06:45.380 could you have a high-minded debate about that yes you could 01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:48.200 but the act with very few people with very few 01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:51.040 people could actually do that and you'd need like people who actually knew 01:06:51.040 --> 01:06:53.880 what the fuck they were talking about who were experts and knew the 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.580 stuff and blah blah blah and you'd still have to be 01:06:56.580 --> 01:06:59.920 careful to do it in a way that was responsible but that 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:03.100 is not what's happening at all no what's happening 01:07:03.100 --> 01:07:06.300 it's just harassment of that community it is is harassment 01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:09.160 of that community is intentionally belittling them it 01:07:09.160 --> 01:07:12.400 is denying their experiences it is it is trying 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:16.280 to make them uh uncomfortable enough that 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.280 they go back in the closet and stop being visible 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.200 you know that is the intention of all that kind 01:07:22.200 --> 01:07:25.880 of conversation yep and and and 01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:29.220 so yeah these the the various as 01:07:29.220 --> 01:07:32.180 far as i can tell the sum total 01:07:32.180 --> 01:07:37.820 of this loosening up on moderation is just let's make it easier to harass people 01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:44.420 let's make it easier to make or even aside from harassing let's make it easier 01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:48.340 to make this a hostile environment where those people won't want to be here 01:07:48.340 --> 01:07:50.420 and won't want to participate I mean. 01:07:50.560 --> 01:07:53.800 And it's like, well, it's a double, well, it's a double combination. 01:07:54.040 --> 01:08:01.340 It's, I think the, the, the main thrust is to let's make the harassers comfortable. 01:08:01.900 --> 01:08:02.060 Right. 01:08:02.600 --> 01:08:05.820 And allow them to be able to express their hate freely. 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:14.000 Yes. That's, that's a good way of putting it. And, and, and, and look again. 01:08:14.180 --> 01:08:17.020 Is that, is that really like, you know, let me ask you a question, 01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:19.480 you know, seriously, let's say we were in a. Thank you. 01:08:20.270 --> 01:08:26.790 in a bar, if somebody came up to another person of a different, 01:08:26.990 --> 01:08:28.810 say, transgender and started, 01:08:29.590 --> 01:08:34.050 saying slurs and insulting that person, you know what, in a, 01:08:34.050 --> 01:08:37.650 in a place of business and they started a fight like that, they started harassing 01:08:37.650 --> 01:08:40.910 that person verbally to the, you're shot at everybody that would be thrown out. 01:08:41.590 --> 01:08:42.110 Wow. 01:08:43.150 --> 01:08:44.310 That's a reality. 01:08:44.610 --> 01:08:49.050 In lots of places, I would say there's some bars where that would be encouraged 01:08:49.050 --> 01:08:52.690 where somebody came in that was the wrong group they would be thrown out. 01:08:52.690 --> 01:08:55.750 In a in most places of business 01:08:55.750 --> 01:08:58.550 okay not ones that you know i don't know if 01:08:58.550 --> 01:09:03.570 you go to a i don't know some kind of redneck biker bar yes exactly yeah yeah 01:09:03.570 --> 01:09:08.150 if you go to like that you go to downtown fort lauderdale miami or whatever 01:09:08.150 --> 01:09:14.570 and you started harassing a customer a person that you saw that was of a different 01:09:14.570 --> 01:09:16.110 you know tissue, whatever, 01:09:16.350 --> 01:09:19.910 and started harassing them in public, you would get thrown out of that place of business. 01:09:20.170 --> 01:09:22.690 And the reality is mainstream businesses. Yes. 01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:26.750 From from yeah, from mainstream businesses. Yes. And the reality is that Facebook 01:09:26.750 --> 01:09:28.650 and these companies are mainstream businesses. 01:09:28.870 --> 01:09:35.490 And what they're doing is allowing their platform to be open to this kind of harassment. 01:09:35.870 --> 01:09:37.850 It seems preposterous. 01:09:37.990 --> 01:09:41.890 Well, and this is the thing I was about to say, too. Like, once again, 01:09:42.230 --> 01:09:45.890 these are private companies. I actually like think that for the most part, 01:09:46.090 --> 01:09:48.710 they should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do. 01:09:48.890 --> 01:09:51.650 Yeah. But they are setting the tone. 01:09:51.650 --> 01:09:54.130 They're creating an environment uncomfortable for everybody else. 01:09:54.350 --> 01:09:59.750 Yeah. I mean, and look, in the U.S., we actually like companies aren't free 01:09:59.750 --> 01:10:01.170 to do whatever the hell they want. 01:10:01.310 --> 01:10:03.530 Like you can't say no blacks allowed. 01:10:04.050 --> 01:10:09.090 You know, there is the notion of protected classes that, you know, 01:10:09.730 --> 01:10:13.930 have to. you can't act against like that. 01:10:14.090 --> 01:10:16.650 But even if you said, okay, okay, 01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:22.260 Laissez-faire, do whatever the hell you want. They are choosing what kind of 01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:24.420 community that they are going to create. 01:10:25.140 --> 01:10:30.700 And they are choosing who to include and who not to include and who should be 01:10:30.700 --> 01:10:32.200 comfortable there and who should not. 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:37.720 And I'm not going to pretend that we're going to see major numbers drop offs 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:39.240 for meta in the next few days. 01:10:39.240 --> 01:10:44.920 But I have seen like multiple people in my family, 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:51.360 in my high school friends list and just and other people random online as well 01:10:51.360 --> 01:10:55.520 talking about closing up their their Facebook accounts at this point because 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.000 they they're like, this is not a place I want to be. 01:10:58.260 --> 01:11:02.580 Just like people a year or two ago started to do with X. Now, 01:11:02.660 --> 01:11:04.920 again, X is still out there. X is still relevant. 01:11:05.420 --> 01:11:09.700 Here's the one thing. X is still out there. But X right now is diminished, 01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:18.160 is severely diminished. And as a business, it is, I mean, it's not a business anymore. 01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:21.740 X is not a business anymore. X is Elon's toy. 01:11:22.580 --> 01:11:28.380 X paid, you know, he paid $45 billion to have a massively, you know, 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.480 a massive megaphone of a toy. 01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:33.400 That's it. It's not a business anymore. 01:11:33.700 --> 01:11:34.060 Right. 01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:40.940 And the question is, is that what, I mean, you know, my question to the other 01:11:40.940 --> 01:11:41.900 companies, is that what you want? 01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:48.580 Because I don't think that stockholders at Meta, if this starts impacting business this way. 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:53.100 And look, I'll be honest. Yes, people are saying they're leaving, 01:11:53.240 --> 01:11:56.100 but people always say they're leaving. I feel like it's going to be a small. 01:11:56.100 --> 01:12:01.360 Tiny number. But in X, that has been real. 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.920 I mean, the abandoning of business at X has been real. I mean, 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:09.560 the documented revenue drop is 90%, Sam. 01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:15.460 All I'm saying is I don't expect that same level of drop from now. 01:12:15.460 --> 01:12:18.940 I don't expect it. And I will tell you this also. 01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:20.940 I'd be surprised if I saw 10%. 01:12:20.940 --> 01:12:25.900 But I will tell you this also. because he is such a grifter and a suck-up. 01:12:26.120 --> 01:12:30.440 Okay, all right. There's also another thing about what he's saying publicly 01:12:30.440 --> 01:12:35.160 and what the fuck he will do that he sees impacts business. 01:12:35.700 --> 01:12:41.820 Okay, so let's see what the hell actually just translates into actual like, 01:12:42.670 --> 01:12:49.650 changes because i i guarantee you one thing as happened a couple of years ago 01:12:49.650 --> 01:12:56.170 when profits and revenue at meta tanked when he was all in on the. 01:12:56.170 --> 01:12:59.290 Met vr yeah metaverse it. 01:12:59.290 --> 01:13:05.270 Didn't take that long for him to oh shit this isn't making money let me back 01:13:05.270 --> 01:13:09.550 off this stupid thing and let me do let me let me go back to doing what makes 01:13:09.550 --> 01:13:15.930 money okay and so i think that will be more of something that dictates what 01:13:15.930 --> 01:13:17.690 he does than anything else. 01:13:17.690 --> 01:13:23.490 Well and i think the the question on that i mean they're like i said i feel 01:13:23.490 --> 01:13:28.830 like the number of people who will leave based on principle right now is tiny 01:13:28.830 --> 01:13:33.850 i mean i'm probably not gonna leave at least not right now in the same way that 01:13:33.850 --> 01:13:36.990 i left at twitter uh well i mean but but. 01:13:36.990 --> 01:13:39.550 I didn't leave right away either from twitter it took. 01:13:39.550 --> 01:13:42.690 Me a little bit but and that's what i was going to say like it's more 01:13:42.690 --> 01:13:45.830 it's it's not the people leaving on principle it's 01:13:45.830 --> 01:13:52.430 do you actually poison the environment so people in general find it unpleasant 01:13:52.430 --> 01:13:58.950 yeah and and you already i think you know facebook isn't cool you know like 01:13:58.950 --> 01:14:05.190 it it went from you know Facebook started as a college-only thing, if you remember, 01:14:05.390 --> 01:14:07.770 way back in the day before it expanded to everybody. 01:14:08.330 --> 01:14:13.910 It has long ago stopped being the place where the cool kids go. 01:14:14.110 --> 01:14:18.190 And instead, it's the place where— Old fogies, like us. 01:14:18.250 --> 01:14:22.350 Old fogies are treating stuff and where people make fun of their grandmothers 01:14:22.350 --> 01:14:25.170 for falling for AI hoaxes and stuff like that. 01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:31.050 And so it's already the old people place, really. 01:14:31.170 --> 01:14:34.450 instagram less so than facebook but you 01:14:34.450 --> 01:14:37.370 know and but if you make it 01:14:37.370 --> 01:14:40.730 if it starts getting to be more 01:14:40.730 --> 01:14:46.710 more negative more unpleasant than it is now then people will start coming less 01:14:46.710 --> 01:14:50.330 on their own not necessarily shut down their accounts and leave but come listen 01:14:50.330 --> 01:14:56.650 and facebook and all facing an issue with lagging engagement and lagging like 01:14:56.650 --> 01:15:00.590 you because again like and this is the fundamental disconnect too. 01:15:00.750 --> 01:15:04.910 I mean, what Facebook was for originally was connecting with family and friends. 01:15:06.730 --> 01:15:12.930 Then they tried to pivot to groups, they tried to pivot to video at various places, all this stuff. 01:15:13.450 --> 01:15:18.750 But people aren't getting out of it the kinds of things that they really wanted. 01:15:18.750 --> 01:15:22.490 And they de-emphasize news, so it's not good for that stuff either. 01:15:22.490 --> 01:15:25.910 it's like what is it good for exactly it's 01:15:25.910 --> 01:15:29.930 it's unclear there there are a few places where 01:15:29.930 --> 01:15:33.370 like their their groups or pages that 01:15:33.370 --> 01:15:39.390 have interesting like community discussions like i i'm in i i i've subscribed 01:15:39.390 --> 01:15:44.270 or like to a few like local groups where people from the towns near me are talking 01:15:44.270 --> 01:15:48.850 about stuff and i find out about some local stuff there like there I'm on a 01:15:48.850 --> 01:15:50.710 few groups that I find useful. 01:15:50.710 --> 01:15:56.290 There was a discussion recently, a store nearby me did a remodeling lately. 01:15:56.510 --> 01:15:59.650 And so there are lots of people talking about like, was it a good remodel? 01:15:59.730 --> 01:16:02.170 Is it better now? Is it worse? Should I check it out? 01:16:02.450 --> 01:16:05.470 And that's interesting because it's like a store, like half a mile for me. 01:16:05.610 --> 01:16:08.750 I might want to check it out. I might not want to check it out. 01:16:08.950 --> 01:16:15.730 And so, okay, that was cool. but like it it becomes increasingly unclear like 01:16:15.730 --> 01:16:20.830 if it's not the place to go talk to keep up with what your friends and family 01:16:20.830 --> 01:16:26.190 are doing then what is it really for and why do i go yeah so now. 01:16:26.190 --> 01:16:27.130 I get that. 01:16:27.130 --> 01:16:31.190 Okay all right anything is it time to move on time. 01:16:31.190 --> 01:16:31.790 To move on. 01:16:31.790 --> 01:16:39.570 Time to move on okay here we go we'll do a break and then I'll think about what 01:16:39.570 --> 01:16:43.450 I want to say. Back after this. 01:16:43.530 --> 01:16:44.290 What do you want? 01:18:44.400 --> 01:18:50.620 Okay we are back so first of all this is not my topic but i figured we should 01:18:50.620 --> 01:18:52.880 just not your topic well i mean. 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.100 You're gonna pick the topic. 01:18:54.100 --> 01:18:57.900 I'm right no i mean i'm gonna pick the topic but i'm gonna say something first 01:18:57.900 --> 01:19:02.380 that is not my real topic is oh i see i just wanted to acknowledge i don't think 01:19:02.380 --> 01:19:08.460 we have a lot we can really say but i wanted to acknowledge the fires in la just why i. 01:19:08.460 --> 01:19:11.160 I i i had put it okay so that's not your topic. 01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:18.420 That is not what i'm gonna pick i i just wanted to say oh it's going on it's 01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:22.980 big it's horrific thousands and thousands of people affected blah blah blah i. 01:19:22.980 --> 01:19:26.660 Had put it down on the subject not specifically the fires themselves but it 01:19:26.660 --> 01:19:27.700 talks a little bit about the. 01:19:27.700 --> 01:19:29.360 Insurance yes yeah. 01:19:29.360 --> 01:19:34.620 Because the the the whole thing there is this entire issue right now where the 01:19:34.620 --> 01:19:38.760 united states hasn't for whatever reason taking a lot of these climate-like 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:41.700 hazards, like hurricanes, fires, 01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:46.520 earthquakes, that kind of stuff, and done the same thing as we did with flood insurance. 01:19:46.660 --> 01:19:52.580 And the reason why there's a national flood insurance program is because this 01:19:52.580 --> 01:19:57.780 was the big catastrophe in the past that used to decimate people like this on a regular basis, okay? 01:19:58.040 --> 01:20:02.140 And why so many water control things have been done by the Arden Corps of Engineers 01:20:02.140 --> 01:20:04.780 around the United States in order to prevent those from happening, 01:20:05.020 --> 01:20:08.020 okay? But also they instituted a national flood insurance program. 01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:11.920 And the problem is that I just don't understand is like, you know, 01:20:12.140 --> 01:20:16.860 I'm sorry, but for most of these climate risks right now, you know, 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.800 you know, private insurance should be for the other types of hazards like slip 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:23.180 and falls, whatever, you know, 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:25.780 a fire at your house, blah, blah, blah, whatever. 01:20:26.080 --> 01:20:30.380 When we're talking about climate risks, either we go and like take that same 01:20:30.380 --> 01:20:33.280 model extended to all these other climate risks, or I don't understand how the 01:20:33.280 --> 01:20:34.940 fuck people are going to get reasonable insurance. 01:20:35.220 --> 01:20:41.200 Well, and also I'd say like we have to figure out at some point people have 01:20:41.200 --> 01:20:44.220 to start getting the hint essentially of saying, 01:20:44.420 --> 01:20:50.600 hey, maybe there are certain places where we just shouldn't have residential stuff anymore. 01:20:51.290 --> 01:20:56.230 And I'm not talking about moving people out who are there right now, 01:20:56.350 --> 01:21:01.950 but maybe if something burns down like this, you say you cannot rebuild, 01:21:01.950 --> 01:21:07.510 or at least you cannot rebuild unless it is rebuilt in such a way that it will 01:21:07.510 --> 01:21:09.470 not be subject to the same hazard again. 01:21:09.990 --> 01:21:13.450 Well, I think part of the problem is also, but in certain cases, 01:21:13.450 --> 01:21:17.890 there are certain things that you could have done to mitigate this. 01:21:17.890 --> 01:21:21.090 but the problem is that they're expensive with well 01:21:21.090 --> 01:21:23.810 no it's not that it's that it went back towards okay you 01:21:23.810 --> 01:21:26.670 built the houses it's like the same thing in issue in 01:21:26.670 --> 01:21:31.690 florida with like houses that were built between the 1970s and 90s okay they 01:21:31.690 --> 01:21:35.910 were built in a certain way that there is no mitigation of that you basically 01:21:35.910 --> 01:21:39.110 have to read you have to build a new thing you have to build a new structure 01:21:39.110 --> 01:21:42.730 but you could build a new structure in the place where it is and it doesn't 01:21:42.730 --> 01:21:44.270 it doesn't have the same risks. 01:21:44.450 --> 01:21:48.250 The problem that you've got is, you know, now there are certain places where 01:21:48.250 --> 01:21:51.330 you just look, it's just unreasonable to build. Okay. 01:21:51.690 --> 01:21:55.750 But, but in a lot of these places, it's not that you couldn't build. 01:21:55.830 --> 01:21:59.850 It's just that there have been a lot of things and technology that have come 01:21:59.850 --> 01:22:01.650 along to mitigate these risks. 01:22:01.830 --> 01:22:06.530 And for some reason they aren't mandated or, or, or you, I saw. 01:22:06.770 --> 01:22:10.650 This is exactly what I'm saying though. Like if, if you are in a zone, 01:22:10.650 --> 01:22:15.750 For instance, let's say these fires in LA, if your house burned down in one 01:22:15.750 --> 01:22:18.710 of these, like there shouldn't just be a default. 01:22:18.890 --> 01:22:23.170 Let's build it right back exactly how it was before. It should be like. 01:22:23.370 --> 01:22:27.170 If you're going to insurance, they don't allow you to do that here in the state of Florida. 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.340 Because, by the way, in California, you can't either. The newer structures that 01:22:31.340 --> 01:22:36.080 are built, actually, you have to build them to the current code. 01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:37.600 You can't build it back to where it was. 01:22:37.660 --> 01:22:41.700 Well, right, right, right, right. But I mean, you have to, in those kind of 01:22:41.700 --> 01:22:44.220 situations, you should probably take a look at elevating the code too. 01:22:44.280 --> 01:22:46.740 I know they're much stricter on earthquakes than they used to be. 01:22:46.900 --> 01:22:49.420 But I'm not sure what codes are in terms of like fire resistance. 01:22:49.420 --> 01:22:53.060 I heard that they have made significant changes in terms of fire resistance 01:22:53.060 --> 01:22:57.040 for new construction in California precisely because of this. 01:22:57.040 --> 01:23:00.200 But I will say that there are some other systems that I know that I noticed. 01:23:00.340 --> 01:23:05.260 I started looking up this and I saw that they have like, I'm like, 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:12.460 come on, there's somebody must have built some system to prevent your house from burning down. 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:17.420 Right. Okay. Which involves like, you know, covering it in water. 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:22.220 Doing something. Outdoor automatic sprinkler system or whatever. 01:23:22.700 --> 01:23:26.180 Correct. And I saw that it is, it does exist. And as a matter of fact, 01:23:26.300 --> 01:23:31.020 they showed a couple of houses that were in areas that were recently impacted 01:23:31.020 --> 01:23:37.320 by massive fires where those houses survived no problem and every single one 01:23:37.320 --> 01:23:39.080 around them was destroyed. Okay? 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:44.040 So there are things to do. 01:23:44.040 --> 01:23:48.460 I had suggested a couple of years ago, and the technology is evolving. 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:53.680 It might not have been there a few years back, but you could potentially have 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:58.440 live real-time satellite surveillance, find the Protos fires as soon as they 01:23:58.440 --> 01:24:02.360 start, have a drone go out there and squash it while it's still tiny. 01:24:03.030 --> 01:24:03.210 Right. 01:24:03.330 --> 01:24:06.490 You know, just automatic full, like within a protected zone. 01:24:06.610 --> 01:24:10.190 I mean, basically, somebody just goes out there and just just basically like 01:24:10.190 --> 01:24:12.190 swarms it. And you're like, OK, there you go. 01:24:12.290 --> 01:24:15.810 You could have it set up there. Somebody likes a fucking match and there's a 01:24:15.810 --> 01:24:17.470 drone on them in 10 seconds, you know? 01:24:17.570 --> 01:24:22.070 Oh, yeah, exactly. You know, but but part of it also and I know I went to California 01:24:22.070 --> 01:24:25.390 when I went to California, like a couple of months ago, where Napa Valley had 01:24:25.390 --> 01:24:29.130 been struck by a series of fires, just like what's happening in Los Angeles about three years ago. 01:24:29.130 --> 01:24:32.130 the one of the things that that that was the 01:24:32.130 --> 01:24:35.990 main issue was they had so many years of actually wet weather to created all 01:24:35.990 --> 01:24:40.690 this vegetation that in the past usually would burn would burn off itself but 01:24:40.690 --> 01:24:44.270 there weren't houses and things built around now there are yes and now there 01:24:44.270 --> 01:24:48.550 are and so all of a sudden you know you've got you've got climate that's made 01:24:48.550 --> 01:24:51.930 it somewhat drier and then you have all this vegetation yvonne. 01:24:51.930 --> 01:24:54.170 Trump hold us the solution. 01:24:54.170 --> 01:24:55.590 Other rakes the. 01:24:55.590 --> 01:24:58.170 Governor newsom should have been out raking the forests. 01:24:58.170 --> 01:25:01.090 Is the rakes i forgot about raking yeah i forgot about 01:25:01.090 --> 01:25:04.050 the raking but i'll tell you listen the solution sam 01:25:04.050 --> 01:25:06.990 you would love this fucking solution okay yes it 01:25:06.990 --> 01:25:09.790 it it it it's like you know it 01:25:09.790 --> 01:25:12.870 has this algorithm with software detects the 01:25:12.870 --> 01:25:15.710 distance of the fire active if 01:25:15.710 --> 01:25:19.010 you you get a warning on your phone if you 01:25:19.010 --> 01:25:21.830 don't activate it if you don't respond with a 01:25:21.830 --> 01:25:24.750 certain number of minutes it automatically self-act you 01:25:24.750 --> 01:25:27.850 know it self-activates it it 01:25:27.850 --> 01:25:31.830 starts like just irrigating the entire area dowsing 01:25:31.830 --> 01:25:34.690 it in a way that doesn't matter because most of these fires 01:25:34.690 --> 01:25:39.270 get started by by embers that are flying off and they hit as they start it completely 01:25:39.270 --> 01:25:44.870 just makes any of those embers not be able to light up this this thing this 01:25:44.870 --> 01:25:48.170 system was a shit man i'll tell you what i saw this and i'm like thinking i 01:25:48.170 --> 01:25:52.130 see these people 15 20 million dollar houses they You don't have to sound like, listen, 01:25:52.390 --> 01:25:55.950 if I lived and I had a $15 million mansion in Malibu, 01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:03.560 fuck i'd be all over this why the hell you know are all these people buying this shit. 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.220 Man well it's like most things and we've talked about this problem in all kinds of contexts before, 01:26:09.160 --> 01:26:13.720 preventative stuff costs money and people are always like oh i can't you know 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:18.980 i don't why did i spend that money i haven't had a problem so far it seems fine it is. 01:26:18.980 --> 01:26:24.640 That man that is always the default the behavior man it's just amazing it's 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:31.220 just the human default behavior i don't need that i've always been fine i never 01:26:31.220 --> 01:26:34.360 had the disaster and all of a sudden you see them sitting there in the middle 01:26:34.360 --> 01:26:37.180 of the rubble of the bullshit that they said was never gonna happen. 01:26:37.180 --> 01:26:45.820 Yep well because it's because on average like it most preventative stuff never 01:26:45.820 --> 01:26:49.580 like in an ideal world the preventative stuff never gets used. 01:26:49.580 --> 01:26:54.880 Well i i'm gonna cancel the insurance i never had to use and. 01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:55.360 I'm like. 01:26:55.360 --> 01:26:58.100 Fuck you should be happy you asshole you. 01:26:58.100 --> 01:26:58.540 Never had. 01:26:58.540 --> 01:27:00.840 To use the fucking insurance you dumbass. 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.660 No i i did want to say before i move 01:27:03.660 --> 01:27:06.580 on to my real topic i did want to say like it along the lines 01:27:06.580 --> 01:27:09.940 of the drones coming out and like catching fires early i saw 01:27:09.940 --> 01:27:12.740 one video this week where it was 01:27:12.740 --> 01:27:15.900 sparked by all the fire of sparked by 01:27:15.900 --> 01:27:20.180 all the fire somebody was showing off like it was some like hotel atrium or 01:27:20.180 --> 01:27:24.440 something there was like a giant hotel atrium you know the kind that has like 01:27:24.440 --> 01:27:29.820 the big open space that you can look up like hundreds of stories or not hundreds 01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:34.800 but you know what i mean you can look up it's a wide area blah blah blah and they're like stories. 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:37.060 Hundreds of stories was the biggest fucking building in. 01:27:37.060 --> 01:27:42.740 The world hundreds it could be it is hundreds of stories. It was the Burj Khalifa. 01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:49.540 No, anyway, no, but it was some, you know, big wide hotel atrium, big space in the middle. 01:27:49.860 --> 01:27:53.500 And they were like, look, it's an indoor space. No sprinklers. 01:27:53.660 --> 01:27:54.660 Where do you see any sprinklers? 01:27:55.500 --> 01:27:59.180 Where would you put them? What are they? And they're like, here's, 01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:01.540 here's what they have. Look at, look at that thing over there. 01:28:02.040 --> 01:28:06.100 And then, and there's this little device and they did a demo of it. 01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:09.600 And it was exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. with drones it 01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.500 was they had whole like live heat 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:15.920 sensing system in that whole area and if 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.780 it sensed like a fire kind of 01:28:18.780 --> 01:28:22.460 thing this thing would pivot aim 01:28:22.460 --> 01:28:25.300 at the thing and then squirt it with high 01:28:25.300 --> 01:28:31.360 pressure water nice like fire hose level high pressure water and put the thing 01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:35.640 out so they they actually intentionally set a small little fire and this thing 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:41.520 went vroom and that thing was out out like in two seconds like with this massive 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.520 deluge of water i would love to see. 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:46.360 Like somebody all of a sudden trying to light a cigarette and all of a sudden 01:28:46.360 --> 01:28:47.560 just like trying to light a cigarette. 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:53.260 We said no smoking asshole exactly. 01:28:56.670 --> 01:29:00.430 That would be the best. I love this. 01:29:03.210 --> 01:29:05.110 You think that side wasn't serious? 01:29:05.750 --> 01:29:10.510 That's right. No, it was cool. I will say like they set the fire and this thing 01:29:10.510 --> 01:29:17.370 like pivoted and turned and aimed and then like kaboom, like massive like thing. 01:29:17.670 --> 01:29:21.830 Well, one thing I was at this winery that I know that they had, 01:29:21.970 --> 01:29:23.150 I didn't discuss with them. 01:29:23.150 --> 01:29:27.550 I think they probably had the system that I was discussing because the one of 01:29:27.550 --> 01:29:31.090 the winery for name, if you want to look it up online and you can see on probably 01:29:31.090 --> 01:29:34.050 on the satellite pictures, Pulido, Pulido Walker. 01:29:34.430 --> 01:29:40.030 OK, and you could see from the satellite pictures from the last couple of years, 01:29:40.090 --> 01:29:42.910 you can see how they had the vegetation up until a couple of years ago and how 01:29:42.910 --> 01:29:45.030 there's none like really up to them. 01:29:45.110 --> 01:29:48.890 But they but they basically said that the fires had come up to their steps. 01:29:49.050 --> 01:29:52.550 They were like right there. And somehow with the, 01:29:52.770 --> 01:29:57.010 whatever they have set up, they were able to prevent the fire from consuming 01:29:57.010 --> 01:30:01.950 the, the winery, but that the fire basically made it all the way up to the structure, 01:30:01.950 --> 01:30:05.630 but they were able to prevent the fire from engulfing the structures. 01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:10.980 So, uh, but they, they, they told me the guy told me, yeah, we had a first class 01:30:10.980 --> 01:30:13.560 view of hell and that was like, not cool. 01:30:14.200 --> 01:30:18.120 Well, even, even some of the stuff they've identified in the California fires, 01:30:18.340 --> 01:30:23.600 like the, the system they have for getting the water to the hydrants is really 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:26.180 designed for dealing with one house at a time. 01:30:26.460 --> 01:30:28.740 It's it's just doesn't have the. 01:30:28.860 --> 01:30:31.300 Yeah, I mean, it was, it was impact. 01:30:31.300 --> 01:30:35.980 It was impacted by power outages as well. And they shut the power off because 01:30:35.980 --> 01:30:38.860 the power down power lines were causing more fire. 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:43.180 So they shut the power off. But that impacted the ability of the water distribution 01:30:43.180 --> 01:30:44.540 system to work properly. 01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.440 And so there are all kinds of things here that there are technological solutions 01:30:48.440 --> 01:30:49.480 to, but they're expensive. 01:30:49.860 --> 01:30:54.280 But there was also, also, I understood that there was a massive like retaining 01:30:54.280 --> 01:30:58.940 tank in the Palisades that had been out for service. 01:30:59.340 --> 01:31:00.140 Yes, yes. 01:31:00.140 --> 01:31:05.760 That uh and it just happened to this happened to hit at the wrong moment it's 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.480 kind of like what happened in new orleans where you know oh they were oh they 01:31:09.480 --> 01:31:11.500 knew the bollards to stop the, 01:31:12.160 --> 01:31:15.600 terrorists didn't work and they were in the process of replacing the bollards 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:22.400 with ones that worked and this guy came right as they were in the middle of that process so. 01:31:22.400 --> 01:31:24.420 Right okay okay i. 01:31:24.420 --> 01:31:26.840 All right enough so half not your real topic. 01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:32.300 Half my segment was fires because i made the mistake of mentioning that i wasn't going to mention it. 01:31:32.300 --> 01:31:34.960 Right but this works but. 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:38.740 I think we can boom through the other stuff too because it's almost perfunctory 01:31:38.740 --> 01:31:45.880 at this point but i felt like we had to deal with like the wrapping up trump 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:49.160 pre-presidency stuff so. 01:31:49.160 --> 01:31:53.060 We've got pre-presidency stuff. Can I say one thing about the pre-presidency stuff? 01:31:53.240 --> 01:31:58.660 The other day I was trying to, I see, you know, and I know that this is dialed 01:31:58.660 --> 01:32:03.200 down some, but you were sending some articles this week and I was thinking about, uh, 01:32:03.420 --> 01:32:08.320 I'm thinking about everybody just trying to analyze the 01:32:08.740 --> 01:32:12.300 any of Trump's pronouncements, statements, things, or whatever. 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:16.700 We're invading Greenland, Canada, and Panama next month, Yvonne. 01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:18.900 All three of them. We're invading. We're done. 01:32:19.080 --> 01:32:30.900 This is the... I mean, if you had a drunken uncle at a house spewing nonstop idiocies, 01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:38.240 would you stop to parse and analyze every single one of them as to what the implications were of. 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:42.760 You know, I don't know, your uncle deciding that he was going to build the tallest 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:47.420 building in the world and that he was going to jump off of it and rappel off 01:32:47.420 --> 01:32:52.240 of it and that he was going to, like, take over every neighbor's house at gunpoint. 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:56.000 I don't know. Just saying all sorts of shit like this. 01:32:56.440 --> 01:33:01.660 And you're sitting over there parsing, hmm, what if he did get $100 billion 01:33:01.660 --> 01:33:06.380 and was able to invade, you know, all his neighbors. 01:33:06.540 --> 01:33:08.860 I'm like, what are you doing? What the fuck are we doing? 01:33:09.420 --> 01:33:19.860 This is analyzing any of all of this shit is analyzing the ramblings of a drunken lunatic. 01:33:20.240 --> 01:33:24.580 And the crazy thing is, he doesn't even drink. 01:33:25.040 --> 01:33:29.860 I can't imagine what this son of, I mean, if this guy was truly drunk, 01:33:29.860 --> 01:33:33.140 Look, what in God's name would he actually say? 01:33:33.580 --> 01:33:42.980 Oh, it's unreal. I mean, I'm just like, and I'm just like, at this point, I'm just like, eh, okay. 01:33:43.740 --> 01:33:50.980 Oh, so Greenland, uh, war with these guys, war with the other guys. I don't know. 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:58.140 Watch it, whatever. You know, I, you know, I, what, what's the point of all 01:33:58.140 --> 01:34:02.580 of this at this point? i i i'm just look. 01:34:02.580 --> 01:34:08.920 There there are a couple things one he he has used this exact same strategy 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.500 since he since he came on on the national scene for. 01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:15.140 Well to get attention yeah because he wants the attention he. 01:34:15.140 --> 01:34:16.760 Wants the attention he wants the. 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.280 Distraction it's about controlling what. 01:34:20.280 --> 01:34:25.960 People are talking about and whatever so like it who knows what his real intentions 01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:33.700 towards greenland are but the point is like he spins everybody up and and it's like. 01:34:33.700 --> 01:34:36.980 But that's the dumb thing then that's what he wants the problem is that that's 01:34:36.980 --> 01:34:41.380 exactly what he wants if you and the thing is that he will say you know one 01:34:41.380 --> 01:34:44.720 thing is that elon had stolen some of the spotlight from him in previous weeks 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:46.760 so whoa how do you fix that problem. 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.460 You you talk about taking over greenland panama and canada. 01:34:50.460 --> 01:34:56.060 Yep exactly that that's basically how you fix that problem it's just it's just 01:34:56.060 --> 01:34:59.540 their reaction, like, you know, just like a, you know, a child who starts just 01:34:59.540 --> 01:35:02.580 screaming louder because nobody's paying attention to them. 01:35:02.620 --> 01:35:05.000 And then all of a sudden it just starts like screaming louder and louder. 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:09.200 You know, my whole point is that you could talk about, I think, 01:35:09.320 --> 01:35:16.400 talking about the fact that he's been amping up his crazy talk is a subject of discussion. 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.620 Talking about the specifics of what he has said and all of that crazy talk is 01:35:20.620 --> 01:35:22.260 really not very productive. 01:35:22.380 --> 01:35:25.980 I have seen articles talking about what the logistics would be if the United 01:35:25.980 --> 01:35:29.440 States did try to take over Greenland, for instance. 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:34.840 We didn't want to talk about it. Exactly. It's like, hey, so one of my uncle 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:39.700 got $200 billion and he was able to buy his entire neighborhood out and burn it. 01:35:42.580 --> 01:35:46.120 You're writing an article about the logistics about taking over Greenland? 01:35:46.200 --> 01:35:47.460 What the fuck is the matter with you? 01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:51.540 So I think, you know, for the most part, 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:57.900 I like what you said in terms of you can talk about the fact that he's amping 01:35:57.900 --> 01:36:03.420 up the crazy talk, but talking about the crazy things is probably a waste of time. 01:36:03.420 --> 01:36:06.520 the except and more generally i 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:09.860 like the and i i think it i 01:36:09.860 --> 01:36:13.260 think it was rachel maddow who's who was popularized this 01:36:13.260 --> 01:36:18.020 as well the pay attention to what they do not what they say because oftentimes 01:36:18.020 --> 01:36:22.560 as well while there's something it's a diversionary tactic there's something 01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:27.860 else going on that's happening quietly that's actually more impactful and so 01:36:27.860 --> 01:36:31.280 it's often like when When something's like this going on, 01:36:31.660 --> 01:36:34.740 look for the other thing. Look, what's the other thing going on? 01:36:35.260 --> 01:36:39.820 But you put down this thing about the big, beautiful bill. Okay. Yeah. Right. 01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:48.660 And so, you know, these guys now, while I saw that Elon and his Doge thing have 01:36:48.660 --> 01:36:52.880 already actually, I guess they finally actually looked at some of the numbers and now have said, 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:56.380 Oh yeah, cutting that number. 01:36:57.200 --> 01:36:58.720 Yeah. You know. Oh, 01:36:59.620 --> 01:37:02.800 that's there's no way to make that number 01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:05.640 you know we gotta cut down like maybe less than 01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:08.780 half so this is the shit we when you 01:37:08.780 --> 01:37:11.920 get shit talkers talking about budgets and 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:15.280 things or whatever which i just experienced here that these people never looked 01:37:15.280 --> 01:37:18.080 at the fucking numbers and then they actually sit down and looking at the numbers 01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:25.200 oh yeah well yeah all that shit we said yeah that's just i guess that's not 01:37:25.200 --> 01:37:29.640 gonna work but i heard them talking a whole bunch about you know again Again, 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.740 trying to cut the Affordable Care Act. Again, trying to cut Medicaid. 01:37:34.280 --> 01:37:37.200 Again, trying to do those things, which are things that they have tried to do 01:37:37.200 --> 01:37:38.760 in the past. Okay. All right. 01:37:39.360 --> 01:37:45.100 So I wouldn't, those I wouldn't put past, you know, them trying to revive and 01:37:45.100 --> 01:37:47.120 try to do again, you know. 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:50.940 They may not succeed, but certainly trying. The other thing, 01:37:51.060 --> 01:37:56.040 though, I was going to say is the whole thing about pay attention to what they do, not what they say. 01:37:56.040 --> 01:38:01.240 I think that's generally good advice, but sometimes you have to pay attention 01:38:01.240 --> 01:38:05.400 to what they say, at least in terms of understanding. 01:38:05.460 --> 01:38:09.900 The problem is, it's too many things. 01:38:10.020 --> 01:38:10.280 Yes. 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:10.800 You can't. 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:11.540 No, I know. 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:19.240 If you go to a press conference and the guy spews out 100, and I'm not exaggerating 01:38:19.240 --> 01:38:25.980 the number, 100 different unhinged things. how much time do you got to really pay attention. 01:38:25.980 --> 01:38:27.360 To 100. 01:38:27.360 --> 01:38:30.040 Unhinged things that he says at one press conference. 01:38:30.040 --> 01:38:34.240 And i i no and look look i think you're right and i think your approach of, 01:38:34.980 --> 01:38:39.160 talk about the fact that he's talking unhinged more than the specifics is a 01:38:39.160 --> 01:38:44.540 good way of navigating that but on the other hand like if you're denmark do 01:38:44.540 --> 01:38:46.100 you just ignore him completely no. 01:38:46.100 --> 01:38:49.880 I don't think that Denmark as a government can do that, obviously, 01:38:50.180 --> 01:38:52.380 or Canada for that matter. Okay. 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:55.140 Obviously, that's a different... Or Panama. 01:38:55.560 --> 01:39:02.000 As a recipient of those things, you have to at least look at them because one 01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:06.980 thing that obviously that he will be trying to do is to try to extract something 01:39:06.980 --> 01:39:10.440 from you to make it seem like he won anyway. 01:39:10.860 --> 01:39:14.680 So you have to find out what the fuck that is. Yes. Okay. 01:39:15.380 --> 01:39:18.860 So from their perspective, I get that. 01:39:18.900 --> 01:39:26.640 Or let's get another example for Europe in general. Trump has been vocally anti-NATO 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:31.440 since before his first presidency and seems to have in between presidencies 01:39:31.440 --> 01:39:36.020 doubled down on NATO is useless, they need to pay more money, blah, blah, blah. 01:39:36.200 --> 01:39:43.160 If you are a non-US NATO member, are you making contingency plans for if Donald 01:39:43.160 --> 01:39:44.680 Trump tanks the whole fucking thing. 01:39:45.500 --> 01:39:46.460 I would be. 01:39:47.120 --> 01:39:48.120 Yeah. Like you have. 01:39:48.460 --> 01:39:51.620 I mean, you know, no, no, no. But but there is a thing. 01:39:51.860 --> 01:39:57.040 Look, there is a difference between us as a pundit trying to analyze 100 different 01:39:57.040 --> 01:39:58.360 unhinged things that he said. 01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:03.780 Right. There is a difference if, say, I am the I am the leader of NATO right now. 01:40:03.900 --> 01:40:07.600 I can't remember the oh, my God. What's the name? The chairman that stuff. 01:40:07.820 --> 01:40:08.120 I don't know. 01:40:08.660 --> 01:40:13.000 Director General. I think it is the rule. Fuck. Now I'm going to have to look it up. 01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:13.560 Of course. 01:40:15.500 --> 01:40:22.400 You know, I'm the leader of NATO. OK, I'm I'm obviously I was just mentioned and I'm targeted. 01:40:22.440 --> 01:40:24.620 I'm evaluating how does this impact 01:40:24.620 --> 01:40:29.280 what what what we need to make sure to mitigate any action, obviously. 01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:37.100 But but you have to sort of to some degree say, OK, he's probably bluffing secretary general. 01:40:37.420 --> 01:40:40.560 Yeah, he's probably bluffing. This is probably bullshit. 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.440 He's just trying to use it to get some other concession out of this. 01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:47.200 but what if he is serious what would we have to do. 01:40:47.200 --> 01:40:50.020 Right so but but that but that's what i'm doing as 01:40:50.020 --> 01:40:52.900 a organization what i'm right saying is that and i 01:40:52.900 --> 01:40:56.640 would be doing that i'm not exactly like but but at the same time i'm not ripping 01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:00.960 everybody off their desk and tell them to stop working on everything else right 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:05.220 now because all we are focused right now is on trump said we're fucked fucking 01:41:05.220 --> 01:41:10.720 nato i'm not doing that i okay but you're the leader you're not you're not. 01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:14.220 Mobilizing the entire danish army to go defend greenland right now. 01:41:14.220 --> 01:41:17.240 Exactly no no and 01:41:17.240 --> 01:41:20.160 that that's what i'm saying okay but obviously you have to 01:41:20.160 --> 01:41:23.380 you know prepare and have your contingencies and 01:41:23.380 --> 01:41:27.800 have your plan on how you you're going to deal with him if it comes to that 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.680 i mean i i believe in being prepared but but it's it's one of those things where 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:37.420 but again it's not like i'm calling up you know probably a bad timing to use 01:41:37.420 --> 01:41:41.980 as a four alarm fire right now and bringing everybody off the off the street and saying, you know, 01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:45.780 we're on war right now with Trump. What are we doing? 01:41:46.380 --> 01:41:51.480 Okay, okay, okay. That was a great discussion. The things I wanted to actually 01:41:51.480 --> 01:41:54.360 make sure we just tick off are, 01:41:55.230 --> 01:41:59.290 Trump was actually sentenced to nothing, but it actually happened. 01:41:59.590 --> 01:42:02.210 So basically to being a felon, but to being a felon. 01:42:02.510 --> 01:42:10.170 That's it with no, no, no jail, no fine, no probation, nothing, nothing, nothing. 01:42:10.430 --> 01:42:15.670 I guess there are some consequences like he can't have a firearm in the state 01:42:15.670 --> 01:42:17.570 of New York anymore. Things like that. 01:42:17.890 --> 01:42:19.210 He can't have a liquor license. 01:42:19.710 --> 01:42:24.270 There you go. Yeah. So there are a few minor things like that. 01:42:24.270 --> 01:42:26.970 Some of them are like, get a roundable. 01:42:27.150 --> 01:42:30.090 Like people have mentioned, for instance, that there are a whole bunch of countries 01:42:30.090 --> 01:42:34.870 that you can't get a visa to go into if you're a felon, including Canada, 01:42:34.890 --> 01:42:37.450 for instance. However, there are exception processes. 01:42:37.750 --> 01:42:38.870 It's diplomatic. Yeah. 01:42:39.050 --> 01:42:44.190 Like he's, it's not like he's not going to do a state visit to Canada at some 01:42:44.190 --> 01:42:45.410 point. He probably will. 01:42:45.570 --> 01:42:48.630 You know, it's not like they're going to say, oh, sorry, you're a felon. 01:42:48.750 --> 01:42:51.350 Did he ever visit Canada in his first term? 01:42:51.570 --> 01:42:52.950 Oh, I don't know. He might not have. 01:42:53.130 --> 01:42:53.590 He might not. 01:42:53.590 --> 01:42:58.670 So maybe he won't visit Canada, except as a conquering hero when he takes over Canada. 01:42:58.850 --> 01:43:00.910 When he takes over, right, as the 51st state. 01:43:01.230 --> 01:43:04.870 51st state. Which would, by the way, be a democratic state. 01:43:05.490 --> 01:43:10.230 Which is one of the things that I'm like, okay, so basically we're- And of course, like- 01:43:10.950 --> 01:43:13.470 Okay, I was about to say if this was really going to happen, 01:43:13.590 --> 01:43:16.250 XYZ, but to what you were saying before, Yvonne. 01:43:17.210 --> 01:43:20.290 It's another one of these, like, the fuck are we talking about? 01:43:20.290 --> 01:43:21.190 What are we doing? 01:43:21.530 --> 01:43:25.090 We're analyzing the impacts now of Canada becoming, you know, 01:43:25.190 --> 01:43:25.330 part of the United States. 01:43:25.330 --> 01:43:29.830 Yeah, it wouldn't be one state. It would be multiple states for each province. But no, no, no. Anyway. 01:43:30.990 --> 01:43:33.810 Oh, so we would get, like, 10 Democratic senators. 01:43:34.310 --> 01:43:39.030 There you go. Well, there are a couple of Canadian provinces that would probably 01:43:39.030 --> 01:43:41.630 not be Democratic. but we would get more. 01:43:41.770 --> 01:43:42.450 We would get like six. 01:43:43.030 --> 01:43:44.170 Yeah, something like that. 01:43:44.270 --> 01:43:47.350 Well, no, wait, wait, take note. That's not accurate. I'm going to tell you 01:43:47.350 --> 01:43:49.570 something because we keep thinking about foreign governments. 01:43:49.810 --> 01:43:51.510 Listen, foreign conservatives are. 01:43:51.630 --> 01:43:56.630 For the most part- Yvonne, Yvonne, Yvonne, anyway. Let's not go into exactly 01:43:56.630 --> 01:43:58.410 how would a merger of U.S. 01:43:58.430 --> 01:44:01.890 And Canada work. How much of a waste of time of discussion is this? 01:44:02.030 --> 01:44:02.410 Yes, exactly. 01:44:02.430 --> 01:44:03.750 Anyway, all right, let's move on. 01:44:03.870 --> 01:44:07.950 Okay, so the sentencing did happen. The couple notes, 01:44:08.130 --> 01:44:14.590 like I think they're the prosecution here, I think, made a big mistake pre-election 01:44:14.590 --> 01:44:19.730 when they basically agreed with the notion of delaying sentencing till after the election. 01:44:20.090 --> 01:44:23.190 I don't understand what I don't get it. 01:44:23.290 --> 01:44:28.710 I mean, I don't get it. But I also I'm pulling I'm I'm trying to understand 01:44:28.710 --> 01:44:31.070 why the judge gave the sentence he gave. 01:44:31.550 --> 01:44:36.910 Well, basically, because there are a couple of things. by the way that. 01:44:36.910 --> 01:44:38.330 Is the most lenient sentence. 01:44:38.330 --> 01:44:40.010 That is possible that. 01:44:40.010 --> 01:44:43.350 That is that no that anybody has gotten for that crime nobody. 01:44:43.350 --> 01:44:45.330 That has been prosecuted. 01:44:45.330 --> 01:44:48.930 For that in new york has ever gotten such a lenient sentence. 01:44:48.930 --> 01:44:54.430 So here's here's one thing right off the bat i think it was strategic the supreme 01:44:54.430 --> 01:45:01.730 court ruled five to four to let the sentencing go forward and part of the statement 01:45:01.730 --> 01:45:07.530 they put out was that it was specifically because the judge had said this would be the sentence. 01:45:08.090 --> 01:45:08.150 Right. 01:45:08.370 --> 01:45:11.550 Like if this was anything else, if the judge, 01:45:11.710 --> 01:45:16.290 if it looked like there was still a possibility that the judge might impose 01:45:16.290 --> 01:45:19.230 a real sentence, like several months in jail, 01:45:19.390 --> 01:45:22.630 even if it was like automatically stayed till after the Trump presidency, 01:45:22.630 --> 01:45:30.070 I can almost guarantee you that 5-4 vote would have gone the other way. 01:45:30.730 --> 01:45:36.110 Like you would have at least lost one of the two conservatives that went along with the sentencing. 01:45:36.450 --> 01:45:41.150 You know, we had Roberts and Barrett agreed to let this go forward. 01:45:41.370 --> 01:45:46.750 One of them would have flipped if there'd been a real chance of at least one, 01:45:46.850 --> 01:45:50.230 maybe both of them would have flipped if there'd been a real chance of a real sentence here. 01:45:50.450 --> 01:45:55.190 And that's a big part of it. I also heard that even if that hadn't happened, 01:45:55.390 --> 01:45:56.750 even if the Supreme Court had let 01:45:56.750 --> 01:46:00.810 this go forward and he decided to do something else and done jail time. 01:46:02.930 --> 01:46:08.010 The appeals process almost certainly would have undone that anyway. 01:46:08.230 --> 01:46:13.850 I mean, honestly, even now, there is a very good chance, like Trump is still going to appeal this. 01:46:14.290 --> 01:46:19.490 There's a very good chance in the end that he wins. Like this is going to end up at SCOTUS. 01:46:19.630 --> 01:46:23.730 It may take two years to get there, but this is going to end up at SCOTUS again. 01:46:24.510 --> 01:46:30.670 And the issues of the fact that there was evidence that was potentially influenced 01:46:30.670 --> 01:46:35.270 by the supreme court immunity decision blah blah blah will come in and this 01:46:35.270 --> 01:46:40.070 could still be vacated this could still he could still end up getting this felony 01:46:40.070 --> 01:46:43.750 conviction expunged from his record you know uh listen. 01:46:43.750 --> 01:46:47.670 You can get a felony conviction expunged without having to appeal. 01:46:47.670 --> 01:46:54.110 Okay no no i know but but no no but my my whole thing this may be overturned anyway like no. 01:46:54.110 --> 01:46:55.590 But but but well. 01:46:55.590 --> 01:47:00.610 But But if there had been a more significant sentence, I've heard multiple people 01:47:00.610 --> 01:47:05.530 say that the appeals process would be accelerated, even with Trump as president, 01:47:05.670 --> 01:47:10.310 to get it out of the way, and it would increase the chance of Trump winning that process. 01:47:10.730 --> 01:47:16.010 I think he may win eventually anyway. But basically, this sentence was the only 01:47:16.010 --> 01:47:22.090 sentence that would have gotten the Supreme Court to let the sentence even happen 01:47:22.090 --> 01:47:23.870 before Donald Trump took office. 01:47:24.430 --> 01:47:27.170 and and it has the best chance of holding up on 01:47:27.170 --> 01:47:35.610 appeal as well that's why yeah but but i feel like the the again the the prosecution's 01:47:35.610 --> 01:47:39.290 decision like when it when it was time this sentencing was originally supposed 01:47:39.290 --> 01:47:44.530 to be in what june or something and the trump then we had. 01:47:44.530 --> 01:47:49.110 The immunity uh uh you know uh, 01:47:50.120 --> 01:47:53.120 whatchamacallit, the immunity decision from SCOTUS. 01:47:53.140 --> 01:47:56.920 But even after that, it was scheduled for like September or October. 01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:00.760 Yeah, but it was appealed on the basis of that. And then it got delayed and delayed. 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:04.920 Right, right. But after that, the sentencing was rescheduled for like September 01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:07.920 or October after all the SCOTUS stuff about immunity. 01:48:08.340 --> 01:48:11.940 And then Trump petitioned again to have it delayed. 01:48:12.200 --> 01:48:16.580 And the prosecutors, they didn't actually say we agree with that, 01:48:16.700 --> 01:48:19.900 but they said, we leave it up to the judge. Do whatever you want. 01:48:20.120 --> 01:48:25.340 And the judge basically, his response to them was actually kind of annoyed. 01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:31.740 He's like, look, because you didn't even present an argument for why not to 01:48:31.740 --> 01:48:34.580 delay it, I'm going to have to agree with the delaying. 01:48:35.540 --> 01:48:43.080 Whereas he seemed to, what I read between the lines is that if the prosecutors 01:48:43.080 --> 01:48:47.660 had made a vigorous argument for why not to delay, it might not have been delayed. 01:48:48.660 --> 01:48:54.660 Well, I never understood why the hell they didn't. That's the one that baffled me completely. 01:48:54.660 --> 01:49:01.200 And here's the thing. If there had actually been a sentence in this in September or October, 01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:08.440 the arguments for why this had to be the nothing sentence would not have applied 01:49:08.440 --> 01:49:11.280 at that point because Trump wouldn't have been the president-elect. 01:49:11.580 --> 01:49:13.980 So he might have been sentenced to jail. 01:49:14.980 --> 01:49:18.660 There still would not have been any actual time in jail because of appeals and 01:49:18.660 --> 01:49:20.280 blah, blah, blah that would have lasted forever. 01:49:21.180 --> 01:49:24.180 But now, would that have made any difference in the election? 01:49:24.420 --> 01:49:28.980 I don't fucking know. It might have even helped Donald Trump, you know, to be honest. 01:49:29.500 --> 01:49:29.820 P.S. 01:49:30.120 --> 01:49:30.960 But- 01:49:31.340 --> 01:49:37.720 But I feel like the the the delay, delay, delay that Donald Trump successfully 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:44.540 deployed in all four of his his criminal cases was massively successful. 01:49:44.540 --> 01:49:47.720 In the end, it got Donald everything he wanted. 01:49:48.860 --> 01:49:50.040 And I don't know. 01:49:50.620 --> 01:49:54.380 But look, let's be clear that one of the biggest issues regarding all of these 01:49:54.380 --> 01:49:58.440 cases was the timidity by the by the U.S. 01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:03.340 Attorney General going after him right after, you know, a lot of this should 01:50:03.340 --> 01:50:06.560 have been attacked way earlier than it was. 01:50:06.820 --> 01:50:11.100 Maybe. I think there's still a lot, you know, SCOTUS, I think, 01:50:11.300 --> 01:50:12.960 would have put their thumb on the scale anyway. 01:50:12.980 --> 01:50:15.340 They would have imposed additional delay. 01:50:15.340 --> 01:50:21.140 But they started these cases like almost two years later than they should have. 01:50:21.360 --> 01:50:24.960 Well, there's been reporting that they were looking at other things during that 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:27.620 time period. There was stuff they were doing. It just wasn't very public. 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:31.300 They moved way too slow. They moved way too slow. 01:50:31.700 --> 01:50:35.540 I have seen reasonable arguments on both sides of this. I tend to agree with 01:50:35.540 --> 01:50:38.040 you that they should have at least done some things earlier. 01:50:38.400 --> 01:50:41.040 But at the same time, like people have pointed 01:50:41.040 --> 01:50:43.780 out what if you if you had done like the South koreans have 01:50:43.780 --> 01:50:48.780 been trying to do and like yeah i tried to arrest donald trump like on january 01:50:48.780 --> 01:50:56.380 21st yeah um of of that year yeah um yeah you might not have developed all the 01:50:56.380 --> 01:51:02.460 evidence that you ended up with otherwise because i think that's bullshit yeah 01:51:02.460 --> 01:51:03.740 and of course you could maybe not. 01:51:03.740 --> 01:51:10.140 Arrest them on january 21st but certainly look as the house committee showed 01:51:10.140 --> 01:51:13.300 they could have found that evidence a lot sooner. 01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:18.880 There were certainly questions of approach. Apparently, one of the things that's 01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:24.980 been reported is the DOJ actually spent a lot of time trying to find a connection 01:51:24.980 --> 01:51:28.420 between Donald Trump and the mob over financial stuff. 01:51:29.260 --> 01:51:33.960 and weren't able to prove anything. And they spent like a year and a half on that. 01:51:35.400 --> 01:51:40.840 And I certainly think what the committee showed was starting at the top down 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:44.760 rather than the bottom up was the right approach here. And that's not what they were doing. 01:51:45.060 --> 01:51:48.840 So anyway, there are a bunch of stuff there. Mistakes made, water under the bridge. 01:51:48.980 --> 01:51:51.900 The other thing related is the special counsel report. 01:51:52.020 --> 01:51:55.900 It looks like at least the- That's getting released. Well, the, 01:51:55.900 --> 01:51:59.540 the January 6th part of it looks like it will be. 01:51:59.820 --> 01:52:02.520 I understand the other one is supposed to be released also tomorrow. 01:52:02.940 --> 01:52:08.740 Well, Sunday, the last Sunday is the delay date for the January 6th stuff. 01:52:08.900 --> 01:52:12.840 My understanding was the, the classified document stuff is still being held 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:17.860 because DOJ is indicated that there's a cut because they still have the case 01:52:17.860 --> 01:52:19.580 open against the two co-conspirators. 01:52:20.380 --> 01:52:24.080 And so DOJ is not releasing that right now. 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:29.680 That part of things is still being looked at. Honestly, I feel like DOJ should 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:34.620 go ahead and drop those charges. I mean, what's the fucking point? 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:38.500 I mean, the point against the charges on his valet or whatever, 01:52:38.940 --> 01:52:41.900 we're to try to pressure them on this case anyway. 01:52:42.200 --> 01:52:46.740 I mean, really. Like if it, if that's the, if the fact that there's an open 01:52:46.740 --> 01:52:52.800 case is stopping them from drop, from dropping the report, they should drop 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:56.560 the case, like drop the rest of the case, drop the report. 01:52:56.780 --> 01:53:00.720 I mean, we've, we've also heard that, look, there are thousands of pages in 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:04.500 these reports, but also nothing new. 01:53:04.580 --> 01:53:08.500 I mean, it's more detail on all kinds of stuff, but we know both these stories. 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.960 We know the January 6th story. We know the classified document story. 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:18.440 There's more detail, perhaps more evidence, perhaps more rationale on why DOJ 01:53:18.440 --> 01:53:21.480 thought this was important enough to bring charges, all that kind of stuff. 01:53:21.620 --> 01:53:26.620 But it's not like they're going to drop these documents and we're going to go, 01:53:27.040 --> 01:53:29.040 wow, that changes everything. 01:53:29.500 --> 01:53:32.900 You know, it's, you know, it's too late. 01:53:33.580 --> 01:53:37.260 Anybody whose opinion was going to change on anything has already changed and 01:53:37.260 --> 01:53:41.080 everybody voted already. Donald Trump is still becoming president on the 20th. 01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:44.480 Nothing's changing that and you know 01:53:44.480 --> 01:53:47.120 but it's good it's good to have it 01:53:47.120 --> 01:53:52.980 on the historical record and and even the classified documents one like people 01:53:52.980 --> 01:53:59.300 have mentioned like if they don't release it before january 20th you know donald 01:53:59.300 --> 01:54:03.240 trump can order the doj at that point to just destroy it like without it being 01:54:03.240 --> 01:54:04.760 released anywhere that's. 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:05.760 Why it needs to be fucking. 01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:10.000 Released yeah so they need to do whatever they need to do to get that out you 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:13.880 know so like i said if nothing else for a historical somebody will. 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:14.460 Leak it anyway. 01:54:14.460 --> 01:54:17.980 You'd think but hell we've. 01:54:17.980 --> 01:54:23.120 Had other even i mean shit we had that scotus decision leaked and they never figured out who did. 01:54:23.120 --> 01:54:24.780 It was jenny thomas. 01:54:25.860 --> 01:54:29.200 Maybe. Who knows? But we just don't, you know, I'm not going to. 01:54:29.240 --> 01:54:31.880 No, I don't know, obviously, but we don't know. 01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:35.040 But what I'm saying is that, you know, we've had, I mean, I'm sure somebody 01:54:35.040 --> 01:54:39.880 at some point they think is going to be, you know, it's going to be, you know, destroyed. 01:54:40.140 --> 01:54:42.560 They'll be like, oh, fuck it. We're leaking this. The hell with this. 01:54:43.240 --> 01:54:43.560 Right. 01:54:44.280 --> 01:54:45.400 I mean, that's what I did. 01:54:47.320 --> 01:54:49.280 You're past the statute of limitations, right? 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:55.120 Wait, wait, wait. I mean, shit, you know, I'm sure Carly's still looking for me. 01:54:55.640 --> 01:54:56.000 Yes. 01:54:56.160 --> 01:54:59.400 Maybe one of these days I got to bump into Carly. Hey, you were looking for me? Fuck you, bitch. 01:54:59.920 --> 01:55:01.440 We should invite her on the podcast. 01:55:01.940 --> 01:55:02.560 That'd be great. 01:55:02.820 --> 01:55:03.480 That'd be a fun show. 01:55:03.580 --> 01:55:05.600 If I could tell her, that would be great. That'd be a great show. 01:55:08.120 --> 01:55:10.060 Actually, that would be a great show. Holy shit. 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:12.360 Okay. 01:55:12.740 --> 01:55:18.080 Hey, Carly, how could you believe so much of the bullshit you say? What? Yeah. 01:55:18.980 --> 01:55:24.820 Okay. The only other things to mention Trump-wise to wrap things up, 01:55:25.120 --> 01:55:29.800 are, are forward looking things that we will see in just a couple of weeks. 01:55:29.940 --> 01:55:34.140 They're saying that there will be up to a hundred executive orders on the first 01:55:34.140 --> 01:55:36.320 day related to a whole bunch of stuff. 01:55:36.940 --> 01:55:42.120 First day probably means the 21st. Maybe he'll sign some things the afternoon of the 20th, but. 01:55:42.380 --> 01:55:45.540 Well, it's like he did that last time, that entire whole thing where he's just 01:55:45.540 --> 01:55:46.880 signing order after order. 01:55:47.080 --> 01:55:51.020 Right. So we're going to see a bunch of those. And then the. 01:55:52.190 --> 01:55:56.090 Congress is basically trying to figure, that's where the one beautiful bill thing comes in. 01:55:56.410 --> 01:55:59.530 They're apparently arguing over whether it's one bill or two bills, 01:55:59.670 --> 01:56:03.430 but they're trying to shove things through reconciliation to do all kinds of stuff. 01:56:03.770 --> 01:56:07.750 They're calling this, you know, people remembering Iraq War I and calling this 01:56:07.750 --> 01:56:13.750 the shock and awe strategy and trying to basically, in the first few weeks of the administration, 01:56:14.290 --> 01:56:18.090 ram through all kinds of things that will probably, on balance, 01:56:18.170 --> 01:56:23.170 be fairly unpopular, actually, but be things that they had promised during the campaign. 01:56:23.450 --> 01:56:25.890 And we'll see what happens with that. 01:56:27.030 --> 01:56:31.230 Yeah. And yeah, that's it. 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I've been posting clips, 01:58:59.660 --> 01:59:03.120 but like, it looks like TikTok only has like a couple, a week to live. 01:59:03.660 --> 01:59:08.140 Like they had their SCOTUS argument and it apparently by all reports did not go well for them. 01:59:08.360 --> 01:59:12.680 So we'll see, they may go dark on the 19th because TikTok is also said, 01:59:12.760 --> 01:59:14.700 by the way, like people are like, well, you can just use it. 01:59:15.040 --> 01:59:18.120 You can, you'll still be able to use it. It just won't get updates. 01:59:18.280 --> 01:59:19.420 It won't be on the app store, blah, blah, blah. 01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:21.160 TikTok has said that they will 01:59:21.160 --> 01:59:24.600 officially shutter their business if they don't win this case in the US. 01:59:25.360 --> 01:59:30.380 So, and who knows if VPNing to other countries would be useful or viable, 01:59:30.380 --> 01:59:31.880 but it looks like TikTok will be gone. 01:59:32.040 --> 01:59:35.560 So good thing I didn't add the link to TikTok because I just have to undo it. 01:59:36.200 --> 01:59:40.720 Anyway, give us money at Patreon. At $2 a month or more, we will invite you 01:59:40.720 --> 01:59:44.940 to that curmudgeon's corner Slack, which is now pro, which means you can search 01:59:44.940 --> 01:59:47.920 our archives from way back when, I guess. 01:59:48.420 --> 01:59:51.480 But we would love to have more people on there. On our Slack, 01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:55.680 Yvonne and I and a bunch of listeners are chatting throughout the week and sharing 01:59:55.680 --> 01:59:57.320 interesting links and stuff like that. 01:59:57.520 --> 01:59:59.980 Yvonne, do you have an interesting link to highlight for this week. 01:59:59.980 --> 02:00:02.960 Oh god do i have 02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:05.840 an interesting link for this week do i 02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:10.340 have one uh well apparently 02:00:10.340 --> 02:00:18.900 they have these like they're trying to sell these like uh robots at ces the 02:00:18.900 --> 02:00:24.380 human uh chatting with real bonics lifelike companion robot and i'm like i don't 02:00:24.380 --> 02:00:27.980 know those are not lifelike, 02:00:29.280 --> 02:00:35.680 Can I just say, is that, I mean, I, I, it's very, it's, they're very weird. 02:00:35.780 --> 02:00:39.440 It's LLM powered so it can talk to you and stuff and blah, blah, blah. 02:00:39.780 --> 02:00:47.620 It talks to you. It tries. It's very human ish. It is very, very uncanny and uncanny Valley. 02:00:47.820 --> 02:00:50.360 It is very, very, very uncanny Valley. 02:00:50.660 --> 02:00:54.120 Did I even say that right? Uncanny keeps coming out of my mouth wrong. 02:00:54.320 --> 02:00:56.620 Yeah. It's just you. 02:00:57.580 --> 02:00:57.980 Yes. 02:00:57.980 --> 02:01:03.160 And by the way, I don't know if you noticed that they made the robots with very large breasts. 02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:06.580 I'm thinking that they're targeting a certain audience. 02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:08.400 And oddly shaped, too. 02:01:08.620 --> 02:01:09.840 And oddly shaped. Yeah. 02:01:10.100 --> 02:01:15.880 I'm just like. Because look, they make sex dolls, too. 02:01:16.500 --> 02:01:19.280 I know that. This looked more like a sex doll. 02:01:19.420 --> 02:01:22.320 That's right. That's more than actual. 02:01:22.480 --> 02:01:25.020 Just to be clear, not that I have a lot of experience with those. 02:01:25.380 --> 02:01:25.760 I'm just saying. 02:01:27.100 --> 02:01:30.740 But it looked more like a sex doll than it did. 02:01:30.900 --> 02:01:36.360 Like they're pitching this as like, you can have it at your booth at conventions 02:01:36.360 --> 02:01:38.480 for your like tech product or whatever. 02:01:38.820 --> 02:01:44.220 I'm like, no, this is going to scare people away. This is not for now. 02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:47.340 Technology is progressing maybe in a few years. I don't know. 02:01:47.440 --> 02:01:52.080 But like this, this is like the thing I mentioned earlier about Zuck saying 02:01:52.080 --> 02:01:57.360 they wanted AI bots all in your feed generating content. Like, People don't want this. 02:01:58.220 --> 02:02:00.860 Like they're going to keep trying to shove it down our throats, 02:02:00.860 --> 02:02:03.060 but people don't want this. 02:02:03.220 --> 02:02:04.600 People don't want this. No. 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:09.660 You know, and even when they do have like real companion bots and stuff, 02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:15.600 like I also saw like somebody made like a little a little robotic dog thing 02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:18.280 and they've had robotic dogs for years. Remember the Ibo? 02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:23.600 Yes, of course. You know, they've had robotic dogs for a long time, 02:02:23.620 --> 02:02:27.360 but like somebody made a companion robotic dog that's meant for people with 02:02:27.360 --> 02:02:28.720 dementia and stuff like that. 02:02:28.940 --> 02:02:33.620 And it looked a little uncanny valley too, but at least it was like. 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:36.720 Well, it wasn't trying to act like it. 02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:42.740 No, it was modeled after a stuffed animal. It looked like a stuffed animal. 02:02:42.980 --> 02:02:43.420 Exactly. 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:47.480 I mean, the animatronics still made it look a little off. 02:02:47.480 --> 02:02:54.380 Yeah, but this thing is just creepy. Yes, more than anything else. They were just creepy. 02:02:55.780 --> 02:03:01.380 We are in for an interesting next few years as these technologies develop. 02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:05.500 And because they are definitely very uncanny valley right now. 02:03:05.860 --> 02:03:13.440 But do they get to the other side in a few more years? I don't know. They might. 02:03:13.860 --> 02:03:19.580 And that would change lots of stuff. but yeah okay we are done thanks everybody 02:03:19.580 --> 02:03:24.560 for listening for for thanks everybody for, 02:03:25.940 --> 02:03:32.100 okay goodbye have a great have a great week blah blah blah blah blah blah we'll 02:03:32.100 --> 02:03:34.460 see you next time goodbye bye, 02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:07.540 Okay, that's it. I'm heading stop. Bye. 02:04:08.220 --> 02:04:09.040 All right. Bye.