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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Friday, December 27th, 2024.

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<v Sam>It is just after 3.30 UTC.

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<v Sam>I'm Sam Inter, Yvonne Bow is here, and this is our annual prediction show.

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<v Sam>So in just a moment, we're going to start making predictions for 2025.

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<v Sam>For anybody new, the rules are they have to be things that actually happen in

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<v Sam>2025 so that the first week of 2026, we'll know if we got it right or not,

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<v Sam>because this week we're doing predictions for 2025.

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<v Sam>And next week, we'll be reviewing our predictions for 2024 and seeing how we did.

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<v Sam>So we've done this for a number of years now, and we divide it into sections,

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<v Sam>politics, international, economy, technology, and hodgepodge.

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<v Sam>And I think, Yvonne, we should just jump right in we always tell ourselves at

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<v Sam>the beginning just make the damn prediction and move on because when we start

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<v Sam>discussing them we go really really long oh.

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<v Ivan>Because we're we have a problem about going off on tangents yes.

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<v Sam>We do okay yeah okay so

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<v Sam>as i've mentioned on the show the

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<v Sam>last couple weeks we had a google doc set up where people made suggestions

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<v Sam>ed bruce and

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<v Sam>john added suggestions to our page and then

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<v Sam>and then i added a few of my own and

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<v Sam>one thing that's different this time like other times i've gone back to the

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<v Sam>previous year's predictions blah blah blah and used them as inspiration for

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<v Sam>what we should predict this time i didn't do that this time i didn't even look

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<v Sam>at last year's stuff yet i just went through and thought what do i want to add

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<v Sam>so if i missed anything to the.

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<v Ivan>Politics we have no real big elections to predict for example so that clears the slate on that,

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<v Ivan>And, you know, so, so this year is a little bit different in that perspective,

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<v Ivan>right? You know, political predictions are every.

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<v Sam>Every other year has a whole bunch of election predictions, like either presidential or the midterms.

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<v Ivan>Right.

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<v Sam>Yeah. But when none, none of that this year, it's just sort of like,

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<v Sam>how are things going? I guess.

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<v Sam>Anyway, shall we jump right in, Yvonne, or do you have any other preambles you

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<v Sam>want to get out of the way?

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<v Ivan>I don't want a preamble. i i i'm still running a hospital here i i can't no no no no preambling.

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<v Sam>Okay and if the if yvonne

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<v Sam>has to pause at any moment we will pause and

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<v Sam>continue as needed okay so first

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<v Sam>up front but first thing is politics and first

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<v Sam>sort of subsection of that is presidential and the

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<v Sam>very first suggestion is from ed who wants to know how long will trump keep

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<v Sam>musk as an advisor for doge and i i'll generalize this how long will he keep

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<v Sam>on his invite you know i don't know answer this how you wish i don't think i.

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<v Ivan>I i think that i will be it doesn't he will not fill he would not he will not last the year.

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<v Sam>Okay that that might be any more specific no no.

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<v Ivan>No no i think that at some point before i'm gonna be broader on my prediction just you know trying.

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<v Sam>To because you usually get yourself in trouble being super person exactly so.

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<v Ivan>I will say that by december 31st he will no longer be such and i don't want to go into a tangent so.

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<v Sam>I'm afraid.

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<v Ivan>From talking about what's been going on right now.

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<v Sam>So i'll give you a prediction i'll say that it's,

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<v Sam>first of all i i'll say it won't be it won't be one of these deals where trump

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<v Sam>like fires him via tweet or something although that would be really amusing

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<v Sam>with musk now owner owning no no no.

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<v Ivan>Trump will put it as a truth.

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<v Sam>Yeah as a truth but no i don't think either of those will happen i think it

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<v Sam>will be more like Trump will make it increasingly clear that he's not paying

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<v Sam>attention to Musk anymore.

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<v Sam>And Musk can continue doing whatever the hell he's doing, but Trump will ridicule

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<v Sam>him or ignore him or something like that.

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<v Ivan>I mean...

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<v Ivan>god so so let me see maybe

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<v Ivan>because now of course will he be an advisor what you

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<v Ivan>know what does that even yeah yeah yeah this is okay

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<v Ivan>so what what i'm right now

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<v Ivan>basically musk is like at at

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<v Ivan>trump's side like constantly okay right

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<v Ivan>i mean you know he went to a football game he was there with him he's a mar-a-lago

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<v Ivan>he was talking to jeff trump was talking to jeff bezos and he's like also jeff

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<v Ivan>bezos turns and i said fuck how did you get in here you know that kind of stuff um you know,

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<v Ivan>i i just i'm trying to define the line where all of a sudden he's not like his

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<v Ivan>advisor and it's a little bit uh this is what i'm saying i think it'll be fuzzier.

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<v Sam>Than that rather than.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, that's why I'm like, you know, right. I mean, it could be an outright

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<v Ivan>declaration. I mean, because it's happened before.

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<v Ivan>I mean, Trump has very quickly turned on certain people.

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<v Sam>He absolutely has.

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<v Ivan>So that's very possible. And so I guess, you know, no, I don't.

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<v Sam>I think to summarize your prediction, by the end of the year,

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<v Sam>it will be incredibly obvious that Elon has a lot less influence than he did

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<v Sam>at the beginning of the year.

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<v Ivan>Okay. Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Or he's not really driving, like, you know, he's no longer in the,

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<v Ivan>appearing at every event that, that, you know, Trump is at, basically.

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<v Sam>And I'll say, I'll just be a little bit more aggressive and say that that will

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<v Sam>be incredibly obvious by the end of June. You know.

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<v Ivan>I think that that is, you know, that is the, uh.

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<v Sam>And by then, if it happens in January, I'm still right.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair, but I'm giving myself that sometime by the

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<v Ivan>end of the year, because I don't want to be that precise.

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<v Sam>Okay. And by the way, on Doge specifically, there were reports earlier today,

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<v Sam>even that Ramaswamy is in trouble too.

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<v Sam>Like Trump's not happy with him.

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<v Ivan>Listen, let's be honest. I mean, Trump eventually, I mean, there's been almost

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<v Ivan>no advisor that survived Trump. Almost. Almost.

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<v Ivan>You know, so.

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<v Sam>Okay. Anyway.

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<v Ivan>Anyway.

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<v Sam>Let's move on.

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<v Ivan>Yes, please.

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<v Sam>Let's move on. Another from Ed. Will legislation to privatize the USPS,

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<v Sam>the Postal Service, be introduced?

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<v Sam>And if it is, will it pass both houses? I'll start on this one.

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<v Ivan>There is no way in hell that this is happening.

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<v Sam>Here's what I was going to say. It will probably be introduced because I suspect

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<v Sam>this is one of those things that gets introduced every time.

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<v Sam>But you're right.

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<v Ivan>Has it been introduced?

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<v Sam>Well, introduced has a very, very low bar, right?

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<v Sam>All it takes is one member dropping something into the bucket,

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<v Sam>essentially, and it doesn't usually go anywhere. I don't know. I could be wrong.

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<v Ivan>Let's be clear. I mean, the one thing is.

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<v Sam>It doesn't have.

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<v Ivan>But.

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<v Sam>Maybe not. Maybe not. I'm trying to remember. I think it has to do a little

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<v Sam>bit more to get an HR number.

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<v Ivan>You know, or I know that because the USPS isn't just a creation coming from,

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<v Ivan>you know, a legislative, you know, legislation.

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<v Ivan>I mean, the USPS part of it is it's it doesn't it's not that it's created in the Constitution.

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<v Sam>The Constitution specifically says that one of the things the legislature is

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<v Sam>authorized to do is set up a post.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly. Exactly, and regulate it as well.

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<v Sam>And regulate it.

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<v Ivan>Let me put my- And let me see. I looked it up to make sure. Establish post office and post room.

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<v Ivan>regulate the mail system, designate certain materials as non-mailable,

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<v Ivan>criminalize abuses of the postal system, protect the mails.

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<v Ivan>I mean, it's pretty broad.

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<v Ivan>Mandates are related to this. And I find it very difficult to privately manage.

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<v Sam>Let me say this. My version of my prediction.

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<v Ivan>Oh my God, again, we're in a mandate. Okay, no, it's not. But listen,

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<v Ivan>there is no fucking way in hell the post office is being privatized at the year 2025.

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<v Sam>No, no.

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<v Ivan>End the discussion.

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<v Sam>Let me say what I was going to say. I will not make a prediction on will legislation

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<v Sam>be introduced because it could not be.

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<v Sam>But you are absolutely right. It will not pass both houses if it is.

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<v Sam>There is no way legislation to do that will pass both houses of Congress.

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<v Ivan>Billion years.

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<v Sam>Now, could there be additional executive action to reduce what the Postal Service is doing?

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<v Sam>Sure, but that's different from privatizing the whole damn thing.

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<v Sam>And to some degree, actually, it's semi-privatized already. It is not a governmental

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<v Sam>agency. It is funded in part.

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<v Sam>It's got a weird quasi relationship. Anyway, moving on.

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<v Ivan>Postal workers are federal work.

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<v Sam>Yes. But it's got this weird quasi-status where- Yeah.

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<v Ivan>But it's postal workers or federal workers. Okay.

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<v Sam>There will not, we both agree, there will not be legislation to further privatize

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<v Sam>the post office that passes both houses of Congress in 2025. Moving on.

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<v Ivan>Moving on.

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<v Sam>This one's from John. Will Trump's inauguration crowd size be bigger or smaller than 2016? team.

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<v Ivan>You know, I think it's going to be bigger. I, for whatever the hell reason,

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<v Ivan>I don't know why this is right now, but I'm seeing more Trump stickers now than before the election.

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<v Ivan>Oh, so you're noticing this too?

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<v Sam>I haven't noticed this specifically, but I'm not surprised.

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<v Sam>Like one of the things we talked about pre-election was that there was a distinctly,

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<v Sam>obviously less enthusiasm than 2016.

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<v Sam>But he won anyway, and he got more votes than 2016.

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<v Sam>But will the inauguration be bigger?

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<v Sam>My prediction, you're saying yes, it will be bigger.

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<v Sam>My prediction will be it will be smaller, but Trump will claim it's bigger,

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<v Sam>and of course Trump will also claim it's the biggest inauguration ever of all time.

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<v Ivan>Of all time. but I think straight up it will be bigger I just think that I don't know if,

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<v Ivan>these guys are just i don't know right now they're kind of all excited i keep

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<v Ivan>hearing how they are excited like you know about how musk is going to fix everything

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<v Ivan>it's one of the things i heard this week he's going to fix the water he's going

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<v Ivan>to fix the water in california sam with.

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<v Sam>The big faucet from canada.

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<v Ivan>Yes i.

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<v Sam>Remember i remember the big.

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<v Ivan>Faucet yeah for the big faucet yeah yeah big faucet yeah okay.

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<v Sam>Next up from bruce will trump use recess opponents for opponent.

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<v Ivan>Recess appointment i like that question can we can we answer that question first will.

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<v Sam>Trump use recess appointments for any cabinet positions i'm gonna say no because he won't need to.

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<v Ivan>I don't think i don't think he will you know i don't think he will need to i

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<v Ivan>i think either he's you know i don't think he'll I think they.

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<v Sam>Got gates to drop out and the Republican Senate will pretty much approve everybody else.

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<v Sam>Like there are a couple that are on the edge, but I think even if they're in

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<v Sam>trouble, I, you know, I don't think they'll.

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<v Ivan>They'll, they'll substitute. They'll figure it out.

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<v Sam>They'll come up right.

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<v Ivan>Yeah they'll come up.

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<v Sam>With yeah rather than doing recess

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<v Sam>appointments because the recess appointment also congress has to cooperate and

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<v Sam>surprisingly both the senate and the house seem to have pushed back when trump

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<v Sam>wanted to push that way of doing things he wanted them to just go into recess

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<v Sam>immediately after his inauguration and let him do everything with recess appointments and they're like nah no.

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<v Ivan>We're not doing that shit yeah.

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<v Sam>So okay moving on From Bruce, will all cabinet positions be filled and Senate

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<v Sam>approved by October 1st, which is the end of the fiscal year? I'll say yes.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, by October 1st, sure. Yeah, I'll go with that. Yes.

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<v Sam>Okay. Now, Ed says, oh, okay, this is kind of duplicate.

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<v Sam>I didn't realize it, and I kind of duplicated this later.

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<v Sam>But how many of the cabinet approved appointments will be released before the

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<v Sam>1st of January 2025? So within, within, no, not, okay, that doesn't make sense. Maybe it means 2026.

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<v Sam>Like, I think what this means, the wording is confusing me a little,

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<v Sam>lad, is will any of the approved appointments, like, be fired before the end

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<v Sam>of the year? That's how I interpret this.

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<v Sam>I will say fired or resigned, yes. There will be turnover.

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<v Ivan>Some of Trump's original facts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah,

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<v Ivan>absolutely. I mean, that's like a given. Yes. Yes.

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<v Sam>Before the end of the year, at least one of the cabinet.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Sam>That was approved will no longer be.

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<v Ivan>Listen, even in good administrations, that shit happens. You know?

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<v Sam>Sometimes they make it a year.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes, but even in good administrations,

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<v Ivan>sometimes that happens. Yes.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So I'll say yes as well. We both agree. And then that's a dupli- I was

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<v Sam>going to ask, will there be any turnover? Same thing.

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<v Sam>Okay. Now, from me, we're now onto the me ones.

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<v Sam>Will there be any pre-inauguration drama of the January 6th, 2021 sort at all?

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>And not necessarily like Democrats trying to take over the Congress.

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<v Ivan>But like anything. No.

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<v Sam>Like, yeah, no, no.

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>No. I think you're probably right.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, nothing's happening.

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<v Sam>There might be some token sort of thing. If you remember the first time Trump won,

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<v Sam>there was some January 6th stuff where some Democrats tried to contest it,

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<v Sam>and they were immediately shut down by the Democrats.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, but nothing happened. But we were talking about the faithless electors,

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<v Ivan>blah, blah, blah, that kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>Yeah, we had faithless electors.

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<v Ivan>None of that happened.

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<v Sam>Yeah, none of that happened. But one of the things that has been talked about

00:16:03.060 --> 00:16:10.580
<v Sam>is the Supreme Court's decision about Trump's eligibility to be president via insurrection,

00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:13.200
<v Sam>in part said, well, that's Congress's decision.

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<v Sam>And the right time to mount those objections would be when you count the votes,

00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:20.800
<v Sam>unless they had passed legislation, which they didn't.

00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:26.060
<v Sam>And so at least some Democrats are saying they should put an an effort to say,

00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:29.920
<v Sam>well, he's ineligible to become president, so he can't get electoral votes.

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<v Sam>So I wouldn't be shocked if some Democrat tried that.

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<v Ivan>But it's just going to be like for nothing.

00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:41.920
<v Sam>But it'll be shut down immediately.

00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:44.480
<v Ivan>It'll be a big nothing burger. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Harris herself would be banging the gavel and saying, you know, done.

00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:54.340
<v Sam>I mean, they might have to vote on it or something. I actually don't think that's

00:16:54.340 --> 00:16:58.300
<v Sam>going to happen. I'm going to predict that does not happen, but some people are talking about it.

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<v Sam>And if it does happen, it will be shut down immediately. And I don't anticipate

00:17:02.680 --> 00:17:06.360
<v Sam>any other drama of that sort.

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<v Ivan>No.

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<v Sam>Okay. Next.

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<v Sam>Will Harris be president for a short time between Biden and Trump?

00:17:16.130 --> 00:17:21.210
<v Sam>Some people have talked about like Biden resigning like a week early or something

00:17:21.210 --> 00:17:26.390
<v Sam>just to get her to be just so much to piss off Trump.

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<v Sam>I don't know. Like she would be 47 instead of him.

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<v Ivan>That actually sounds like I like this idea because they've made all these hats

00:17:34.870 --> 00:17:36.930
<v Ivan>and things and stuff or whatever.

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<v Ivan>It's just the fuck with them that he's not 40. He's not 47.

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<v Ivan>Okay, I do like this idea. At first I thought, well, what the fuck, why not?

00:17:45.110 --> 00:17:49.170
<v Ivan>But I got to admit, I like this idea. I don't think it's going to happen,

00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:52.390
<v Ivan>but I definitely like this idea because that would,

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<v Ivan>oh my God, can you imagine they got all this inauguration shit and they've got,

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<v Ivan>I've seen all the hats with the 40 and all this shit and you just like completely

00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:04.190
<v Ivan>fuck those people. Oh, that would be awesome.

00:18:04.950 --> 00:18:07.930
<v Ivan>I'm like, God damn it. I'm writing to Biden right now. Just say Biden,

00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:11.590
<v Ivan>please. Just, just, you know what? Just knock off early. knock off a.

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<v Sam>Week you know that's.

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<v Ivan>It just to fucking stick it to

00:18:16.510 --> 00:18:20.530
<v Ivan>those bastards yes I like this idea but I don't think he's going to do it.

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<v Sam>I also like the idea I also think he's not going to do it will he will attend

00:18:28.090 --> 00:18:34.430
<v Sam>the inauguration as president and hand it over to Trump like the good institutionalist trooper he is,

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<v Sam>okay next up who will be president at the end of 2025 so this obviously donald.

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<v Ivan>Trump will be.

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<v Sam>President i i will i will agree

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<v Sam>obviously the only ways that would not happen are he

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<v Sam>resigns the 25th amendment or he dies you

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<v Sam>know all possible all possible but

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<v Sam>unlikely i i will you know i

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<v Sam>will not predict any of those things but you

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<v Sam>know he like what yeah

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<v Sam>i mean like he could resign just because he's bored he's gotten everything

00:19:14.770 --> 00:19:17.950
<v Sam>he's he didn't go to jail he's gotten

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<v Sam>he's gotten out of everything yep and so

00:19:21.350 --> 00:19:25.090
<v Sam>he doesn't really want or like the job so do

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<v Sam>it for a little while and then be like i'm out

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<v Sam>have fun jd you know that that's possible if

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<v Sam>like he his health or

00:19:34.850 --> 00:19:37.590
<v Sam>dementia or something gets really bad you could

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<v Sam>see a a 25th amendment scenario but also

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<v Sam>probably unlikely even if those things were bad

00:19:44.790 --> 00:19:50.730
<v Sam>they'd probably more likely do like the dave scenario or something you know

00:19:50.730 --> 00:19:55.150
<v Sam>or or what what's the other one the one where they carried around the dead guy

00:19:55.150 --> 00:20:02.270
<v Sam>for like in the movies you know the that one i don't you know the one i'm.

00:20:02.990 --> 00:20:06.190
<v Sam>You don't know anything anymore. Yeah.

00:20:06.350 --> 00:20:11.170
<v Sam>Anyway, one of those things they would do something or finally he dies.

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<v Sam>You never know, but I'm not going to predict that. Although you've been predicting

00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:19.210
<v Sam>he'd die of natural causes for like eight years.

00:20:19.450 --> 00:20:22.450
<v Ivan>And you know what? Obviously I've been wrong.

00:20:22.590 --> 00:20:26.930
<v Ivan>I'm going, I'm going, listen, is what I'm going to do.

00:20:27.050 --> 00:20:32.530
<v Ivan>I think the year that I predicted Fidel was going to die, wasn't going to die. He died.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>So. So. Oh, you got fireworks?

00:20:39.450 --> 00:20:40.890
<v Sam>Apparently somebody's setting off fireworks.

00:20:41.330 --> 00:20:43.850
<v Ivan>This is a little bit early for that, but okay. All right.

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<v Ivan>So I'm going to go, I'm going to play the opposite. Say you're not going to die.

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<v Sam>Okay. Now that, that does have bring up something I didn't put on the list,

00:20:55.490 --> 00:21:00.110
<v Sam>but it reminded me of, Will there be any additional assassination attempts in

00:21:00.110 --> 00:21:04.470
<v Sam>2025 of Donald Trump? Of Donald Trump.

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<v Ivan>Man, I'm going to say yes.

00:21:07.610 --> 00:21:08.130
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:21:08.350 --> 00:21:10.750
<v Ivan>We've had, I mean, he's already had two.

00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:11.730
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:21:12.170 --> 00:21:17.490
<v Ivan>I mean, that, you know, maybe more. I, yeah, I mean, yes.

00:21:18.050 --> 00:21:24.050
<v Ivan>I mean, the mood right now with assassination has been upped many not.

00:21:24.050 --> 00:21:27.390
<v Sam>People seem to be all excited about it. They want more.

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<v Sam>I'll say yes, there will be more attempts. I will also say they will be unsuccessful.

00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:35.810
<v Sam>Like, at least one. There will be at least one attempt.

00:21:35.870 --> 00:21:39.950
<v Ivan>I don't know. Fuck, you know, Sam, they got really close. I mean, look.

00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:41.030
<v Sam>They did. They did.

00:21:41.090 --> 00:21:45.470
<v Ivan>I mean, listen, that guy was a couple of inches away from, you know,

00:21:45.650 --> 00:21:48.290
<v Ivan>Trump being dead. It was, you know, I mean.

00:21:48.410 --> 00:21:48.770
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

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<v Ivan>So I'm not writing it off that, you know.

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<v Sam>No but i i think that because of that in part everything will be tightened up like so.

00:22:01.190 --> 00:22:08.770
<v Ivan>Yeah but but you know one problem that you count is that trump just loves to not listen or follow.

00:22:08.770 --> 00:22:14.630
<v Sam>And that is true advice like so they they could be trying to keep him in a bubble

00:22:14.630 --> 00:22:17.430
<v Sam>and he'd just reject it and go out wherever.

00:22:17.850 --> 00:22:19.050
<v Ivan>Yeah. Okay.

00:22:19.190 --> 00:22:26.490
<v Sam>So, okay. Next up the, the, the only one of the Trump cases that has not been,

00:22:27.760 --> 00:22:31.220
<v Sam>officially fully delayed until after is the New York case.

00:22:31.760 --> 00:22:36.340
<v Sam>Everybody seems to assume that the New York judge has indefinitely delayed sentencing,

00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:40.740
<v Sam>but hasn't yet said, we're going to wait until after Trump's term.

00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:46.240
<v Sam>Will he issue a sentence in that case, or will he just delay it until after the election?

00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:50.420
<v Sam>I think he's delaying it until after the election. He's not going to do that.

00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:54.300
<v Ivan>I think he's going to delay it until after he leaves the president.

00:22:54.300 --> 00:22:58.180
<v Sam>I mean, not the election, until after the four-year term, until Trump's not- Well.

00:22:58.480 --> 00:22:59.940
<v Ivan>Until he's not president anymore.

00:23:00.100 --> 00:23:05.600
<v Sam>Period. Yes. I don't think he'll, like, there's still some motions in play to

00:23:05.600 --> 00:23:07.900
<v Sam>dismiss it out of hand that he hasn't dealt with yet.

00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:09.120
<v Ivan>But he's already rejected that.

00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:14.180
<v Sam>He rejected, no, he rejected one of the motions to dismiss. There's still another one pending.

00:23:14.580 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Sam>But I don't think he's going to dismiss it, but I don't think he's going to issue a sentence.

00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:24.180
<v Sam>He is going to just pause the case for four years or how, or last if Trump isn't

00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:27.360
<v Sam>president for four years, but I'm assuming four years. So in any case,

00:23:27.460 --> 00:23:29.460
<v Sam>it won't happen this year. Okay.

00:23:30.260 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Sam>Will the Trump administration openly investigate any political opponents or members of the press?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:43.520
<v Sam>I will agree. Yes. Will they actually indict any of those people in 2025?

00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. I'm sure they'll indict somebody. I mean, remember,

00:23:48.120 --> 00:23:49.340
<v Ivan>you're saying somebody.

00:23:49.860 --> 00:23:53.980
<v Sam>Well, I'm saying specifically political opponents or members of the press.

00:23:53.980 --> 00:23:58.940
<v Ivan>Specifically a political opponent. something they'll cook up.

00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:02.120
<v Sam>Something on somebody by the end of the year this includes like

00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:07.540
<v Sam>the the congress people who are involved in the january 6 investigation it includes

00:24:07.540 --> 00:24:12.860
<v Sam>jack smith and his staff it includes like you know any basically any democrat

00:24:12.860 --> 00:24:19.100
<v Sam>it includes like all of the all of the reporters at cnn and msnbc or hosts that

00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:20.340
<v Sam>he doesn't there will be some.

00:24:20.340 --> 00:24:27.700
<v Ivan>Clearly visible like, you know, him ordering a prosecution of somebody that

00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:30.300
<v Ivan>he, he, he, he openly despises.

00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:35.980
<v Sam>I'm going to, I'm going to say investigations in 2025, but no indictments yet.

00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:40.760
<v Sam>He'll be able to harass people a lot with just the investigations.

00:24:41.140 --> 00:24:44.840
<v Sam>Maybe there'll be indictments in a future year, but I'm going to say not in 2025,

00:24:45.340 --> 00:24:48.280
<v Sam>just investigations, but, but open, obvious

00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:53.780
<v Sam>investigations where we know they're happening and the it's in the news and

00:24:53.780 --> 00:24:57.660
<v Sam>their mate their statements are being made about the things that these people

00:24:57.660 --> 00:25:02.120
<v Sam>did wrong and blah because of course like the other yeah all of that like all

00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:06.500
<v Sam>of the investigation we will know stuff about investigations but i i'm gonna

00:25:06.500 --> 00:25:07.880
<v Sam>say no indictments and so you're.

00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.320
<v Ivan>Saying investigations don't indictment i'm saying investigations that's at least

00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:13.500
<v Ivan>one some one person will get indicted.

00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:14.180
<v Sam>Okay,

00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:20.900
<v Sam>last one for presidential will trump initiate hostile military action anywhere

00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:26.820
<v Sam>the u.s was not already involved in 2024 with us say no i i think.

00:25:26.820 --> 00:25:29.320
<v Ivan>No i think at the end he chickens out on all of these.

00:25:29.320 --> 00:25:33.860
<v Sam>Yeah in terms of direct action like it might be more subtle in terms of like

00:25:33.860 --> 00:25:37.520
<v Sam>supporting stuff like we're doing in ukraine we're not we're not.

00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:40.500
<v Ivan>Invade we're not invading panama we're not invading.

00:25:40.780 --> 00:25:44.420
<v Sam>Hey, wait, wait, wait, wait. We got separate questions on those later in the show.

00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:48.040
<v Ivan>Like, well, what I'm saying is those are military actions. What I'm saying is

00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:51.380
<v Ivan>that we're not invading. We're not, you know, we're not doing it.

00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Ivan>I don't think we're doing any of that.

00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.840
<v Sam>Okay. I will ask you specific questions on specific countries later on.

00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.600
<v Sam>And you could say no to be consistent. I will.

00:26:03.800 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Sam>i'm gonna say no as

00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Sam>well and that will presage several

00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.760
<v Sam>other questions we have later like i i feel like there's some scenarios where

00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:20.180
<v Sam>trump might end up doing that but i'm not going to predict them outright okay

00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:28.520
<v Sam>next up congress will t c j a be renewed i will admit i actually don't know

00:26:28.520 --> 00:26:29.760
<v Sam>what that is i'm gonna look it up.

00:26:29.760 --> 00:26:30.600
<v Ivan>I don't know.

00:26:30.600 --> 00:26:36.760
<v Sam>What tax cut and jobs act that's so it's it's it's trump's tax cuts oh tax.

00:26:36.760 --> 00:26:39.840
<v Ivan>Cuts of course they're gonna renew that shit yeah.

00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Sam>Now wait a second oh because they're gonna do it through reconciliation right

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.120
<v Sam>so they don't need 60 votes in the senate yeah.

00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:49.900
<v Ivan>They're gonna do that that's how they did the first time yeah they're.

00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:54.100
<v Sam>Gonna get that done yeah i think that's like i agree that's like one of the

00:26:54.100 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Sam>first things yeah that's they're probably going to do that right away in january

00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Sam>or february yeah like that's going to be a first hundred the one thing they were trying.

00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.340
<v Ivan>To do is they're trying to throw a bone at some people,

00:27:07.350 --> 00:27:08.950
<v Ivan>increase the assault deduction.

00:27:08.950 --> 00:27:11.690
<v Sam>I remember that being talked about in the

00:27:11.690 --> 00:27:14.890
<v Sam>campaign yeah yeah they will

00:27:14.890 --> 00:27:23.470
<v Sam>they will they will extend the tax cuts yes agreed okay next up for me how many

00:27:23.470 --> 00:27:30.490
<v Sam>speakers of the house will there be in 2025 oh with two okay so johnson who

00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:33.250
<v Sam>will start the year no matter what yeah plus somebody else somebody.

00:27:33.250 --> 00:27:39.710
<v Ivan>Else yeah yeah these guys are just fighting so so much already that i don't

00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:41.750
<v Ivan>see how johnson survives.

00:27:41.750 --> 00:27:44.650
<v Sam>I'm they.

00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:46.570
<v Ivan>They hate johnson a.

00:27:46.570 --> 00:27:49.270
<v Sam>Lot i'm gonna go out i'm gonna go out of limb here and say

00:27:49.270 --> 00:27:53.550
<v Sam>three three wow three johnson whoever

00:27:53.550 --> 00:28:03.430
<v Sam>replaces johnson and whoever replaces that person okay um now i i worded this

00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:07.770
<v Sam>wrong in our quip but Like when they actually go in for the new Congress and

00:28:07.770 --> 00:28:09.970
<v Sam>initially vote for the speaker,

00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:13.810
<v Sam>will Johnson be the winner of that vote?

00:28:14.290 --> 00:28:18.230
<v Sam>Or will like, will he become speaker for the next Congress?

00:28:18.590 --> 00:28:23.270
<v Sam>And then in your case, lose later, or is he going to lose right up off the bat?

00:28:24.150 --> 00:28:27.590
<v Ivan>No, I think I don't think he's going to lose right off the bat.

00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:29.410
<v Ivan>I think it just it just happens later.

00:28:29.750 --> 00:28:33.110
<v Sam>So you think he will actually win the speaker vote in January?

00:28:33.110 --> 00:28:36.310
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he gets a speaker boat later, but it's just,

00:28:37.970 --> 00:28:39.390
<v Ivan>because, yeah, they're going to,

00:28:40.520 --> 00:28:43.700
<v Ivan>He's going to win it, and then sometime later he will lose.

00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:47.340
<v Sam>Because he seemed like he was in trouble a couple weeks ago,

00:28:47.340 --> 00:28:51.080
<v Sam>but then it seems like he maybe recovered a little bit from that.

00:28:51.500 --> 00:28:55.300
<v Ivan>But that's why I don't think, but the thing is that they kicked the ball,

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:59.320
<v Ivan>they kicked the can down the road on this bunch of thing and whatever.

00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:02.420
<v Ivan>I think that's when this whole thing implodes.

00:29:02.740 --> 00:29:08.260
<v Sam>There is one House member who has explicitly said that he won't vote for Johnson,

00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Sam>but only one. but I think he can only afford two, something like that.

00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:18.660
<v Sam>So your prediction is, yes, he will win the speaker vote in January,

00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:24.520
<v Sam>but when they have to deal with government funding again in like March or whenever it is,

00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:28.100
<v Sam>that's when it'll blow up for him and there'll be a new speaker after that.

00:29:28.260 --> 00:29:28.980
<v Sam>That's your prediction?

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:29.940
<v Ivan>Right.

00:29:30.780 --> 00:29:35.520
<v Sam>Okay. I guess I'll do. My prediction is that he will not win the speaker vote

00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Sam>in January, that it'll be contentious right away.

00:29:39.280 --> 00:29:44.140
<v Sam>And then at some point later in the year, maybe it's the March thing.

00:29:44.360 --> 00:29:48.780
<v Sam>Maybe it's a little bit later when they have to deal with the debt limit. I don't know.

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:54.600
<v Sam>Then there will be another crisis later in the year and he will lose the speakership because of that.

00:29:55.820 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:29:56.060 --> 00:30:00.580
<v Sam>Okay. How many ballots will the first speaker selection take?

00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:03.540
<v Sam>Will he win on the first ballot, Yvonne?

00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:08.760
<v Ivan>No. I'm going to give it I'm going to say less than 10.

00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.780
<v Sam>Less than 10. Yeah. Okay.

00:30:14.610 --> 00:30:19.050
<v Sam>I will agree with you on less than 10, but should I be more specific?

00:30:19.490 --> 00:30:23.350
<v Sam>Like, I don't think it's going to be one. Like, I mean, maybe he'll pull.

00:30:23.350 --> 00:30:25.650
<v Ivan>Okay. It's not, that's what I'm saying. It's not going to be,

00:30:25.810 --> 00:30:29.490
<v Ivan>it's going to be more than one. So I'm saying two to 10.

00:30:29.950 --> 00:30:31.190
<v Sam>You're saying two to 10.

00:30:31.450 --> 00:30:32.130
<v Ivan>Okay. Yeah.

00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:39.010
<v Sam>I'll say five to 10. Like, so not beating what we got with McCarthy. Cause like.

00:30:39.110 --> 00:30:39.310
<v Ivan>No.

00:30:39.490 --> 00:30:42.930
<v Sam>I think they learned their lesson from that. And also they have a deadline.

00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:45.030
<v Sam>They're getting sworn in on January 3rd.

00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:48.790
<v Sam>They have to be able to count electoral votes on January 6th.

00:30:48.830 --> 00:30:52.250
<v Sam>So they only have two and a half days to do this.

00:30:53.310 --> 00:31:01.450
<v Sam>If they don't succeed in picking a speaker by the 6th, it is constitutionally unclear what happens.

00:31:01.730 --> 00:31:07.490
<v Sam>Now, I would suspect that whoever was clerk of the house and acting speaker

00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:12.730
<v Sam>would just do that. But like, theoretically, the Speaker of the House has to

00:31:12.730 --> 00:31:15.910
<v Sam>open that session on January 6th.

00:31:17.310 --> 00:31:22.690
<v Sam>And yeah, so because officially the House doesn't exist until they've picked a speaker.

00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:27.750
<v Sam>So I think they'll be under a lot of pressure. So I'll say five to 10.

00:31:27.950 --> 00:31:31.050
<v Sam>Now, of course, now that we've both said that, he'll win on the first ballot.

00:31:31.290 --> 00:31:32.330
<v Ivan>But of course he will.

00:31:33.390 --> 00:31:40.990
<v Sam>Okay. Now, next up, since the House majority is so, so thin,

00:31:41.370 --> 00:31:47.490
<v Sam>after they take the majority in January, will Republicans keep the House majority all year long?

00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:51.030
<v Ivan>I mean, that's another way that I think they could lose a fucking position.

00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:57.220
<v Sam>All they need is the wrong couple of people to have something happen to them

00:31:57.220 --> 00:32:02.420
<v Sam>or, you know, whether it's a resignation, a scandal, death, illness, whatever.

00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Ivan>I think that they have high odds of losing it, but I still think they're over 50% of on keeping it.

00:32:10.360 --> 00:32:14.940
<v Ivan>So I'm saying they'll somehow manage to, to hang on through the end of the year.

00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Sam>I will agree. Like as much fun as that scenario would be, like,

00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:21.980
<v Sam>I'm not going to outright predict it.

00:32:22.180 --> 00:32:23.740
<v Ivan>But it's very possible.

00:32:24.140 --> 00:32:29.320
<v Sam>It's very possible. Like, you know, like a bunch of Republicans have left for

00:32:29.320 --> 00:32:31.820
<v Sam>the Trump administration, but you know, in that case, they're going to,

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:37.580
<v Sam>he's, he has picked house members, but he's picked house members from safe Republican districts.

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:44.560
<v Sam>They're only a handful of purple districts. you would need a republican in a purple district.

00:32:44.560 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Ivan>But you have something untimely.

00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:47.700
<v Sam>Happen to them and.

00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:52.080
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah but here's the thing you say that and then you still remember

00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Ivan>what happened when sessions got taken from the senate and and and and went you

00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.220
<v Ivan>know and a special election was

00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:05.020
<v Ivan>there and we wound up with a freaking democratic alabama senator you're.

00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:08.780
<v Sam>Right and also there's temporary situations right like.

00:33:08.780 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Ivan>Right if.

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.620
<v Sam>You lose if you lose three or four republicans even from safe district.

00:33:13.620 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Ivan>Right it.

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.700
<v Sam>Would temporarily give the house.

00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:18.560
<v Ivan>To the democrats until.

00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Sam>They were replaced.

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.060
<v Ivan>Great so it's very tenuous and and yeah just picking up some safe districts

00:33:25.060 --> 00:33:30.280
<v Ivan>especially on an off-year election doesn't guarantee squat i mean it's happened

00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Ivan>before hell it happened to the Democrats when Kennedy went and died and they

00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Ivan>fucking went like they got a goddamn Republican to Massachusetts.

00:33:38.660 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Ivan>You know, this shit happens. Okay. And so just because they're safe districts,

00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Ivan>it's definitely no guarantee.

00:33:46.040 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Sam>Okay. Next up and, and everybody, politics is always our longest segment here.

00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Sam>So last question in the Congress section, will congressional Republicans,

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:03.320
<v Sam>either the house or the Senate break with Trump on any significant issue in notable numbers.

00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:07.500
<v Ivan>Any significant issue.

00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:11.820
<v Sam>And of course that's lots of wiggle room for interpretation there.

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Sam>Like, and I will say like, let's exclude like the debt limit and, and,

00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:26.180
<v Sam>and like budget funding because the routine normal thing for Republicans going

00:34:26.180 --> 00:34:28.160
<v Sam>back like more than a decade,

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:33.660
<v Sam>is those things get passed with a significant chunk of Republicans voting no,

00:34:33.700 --> 00:34:37.520
<v Sam>and then all of the Democrats plus some Republicans pass.

00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Ivan>I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Ivan>I think there, there will be something already in this first year because the

00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.120
<v Ivan>problem is that he's thrown out so much.

00:34:50.540 --> 00:34:55.740
<v Ivan>I mean, he's been just talking about so many fucking things to do that are just

00:34:55.740 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Ivan>nuts, but something is going to, something is going to wind up being a fucking shit show.

00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:05.820
<v Sam>I don't agree on, I mean, I agree fully on shit show.

00:35:05.980 --> 00:35:11.180
<v Sam>I will say, I'm going to say no, based on the significant numbers thing.

00:35:11.180 --> 00:35:15.660
<v Sam>like will one or two republicans come out against him on one or two issues maybe

00:35:15.660 --> 00:35:20.980
<v Sam>up to like a half dozen or some so yeah probably especially in the senate maybe

00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Sam>in the house too but like not enough to like i'm.

00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Ivan>Saying like remember.

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Sam>I'm not saying.

00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.700
<v Ivan>That they're going to fight about everything i'm.

00:35:28.700 --> 00:35:29.200
<v Sam>Saying there.

00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:34.300
<v Ivan>Is going to be one thing that there are going to be some of his cronies and

00:35:34.300 --> 00:35:37.020
<v Ivan>people are going to be pushing it that they're all going to go say fuck.

00:35:37.020 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Sam>I mean it's essentially already happened like so

00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Sam>so i i see

00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.180
<v Sam>that there's a pretty good chance of it happening and significant numbers

00:35:47.180 --> 00:35:50.920
<v Sam>quote-unquote i was about to say if it's not significant enough to like block

00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.540
<v Sam>what he's doing then it doesn't count but you only need one or two people in

00:35:54.540 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Sam>the house right lock anything at this point so right i'll i'll say at least

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.980
<v Sam>some issue i'll agree with you at least something will be foiled by renegade Republicans.

00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:06.640
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.640
<v Sam>Now, Trump will, of course, spin it like in such a way like once he realizes

00:36:12.640 --> 00:36:14.560
<v Sam>that's happening, he'll back off or something.

00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:18.340
<v Ivan>He'll spin it. He'll spin it. Listen, Trump will spin. Listen,

00:36:18.540 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Ivan>Trump will declare victory over any defeat.

00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:24.330
<v Sam>Yes, of course. Like, yes.

00:36:25.270 --> 00:36:27.150
<v Ivan>I mean, even if he loses, he always wins.

00:36:27.170 --> 00:36:30.990
<v Sam>Trump will never admit defeat on anything. There's a prediction right there.

00:36:31.150 --> 00:36:33.990
<v Sam>For the year, Trump will not— He will not be.

00:36:34.070 --> 00:36:39.350
<v Ivan>Oh my God, we have been defeated at this. Those words will not be uttered from this mouth ever.

00:36:39.950 --> 00:36:43.970
<v Sam>Yes, agreed. Okay, other politics, and then we will wrap up politics.

00:36:44.650 --> 00:36:48.510
<v Sam>Will any substantive reforms—this is from Bruce,

00:36:48.730 --> 00:36:54.510
<v Sam>and by that he means greater than one billion dollars wait one billion not trillion

00:36:54.510 --> 00:37:01.110
<v Sam>one billion small but one billion nothing you know like i wouldn't even notice

00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:07.110
<v Sam>it if somebody dropped a billion on me you know um or me anyway i'm at from bought.

00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:08.590
<v Ivan>That bought that mega millions.

00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:15.530
<v Sam>Yeah i got i got one too like so you shouldn't have bothered because i'm clearly gonna win okay you know.

00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:16.810
<v Ivan>All right i'm.

00:37:16.810 --> 00:37:19.830
<v Sam>Already like shopping for yachts will some

00:37:19.830 --> 00:37:22.950
<v Sam>will any substantive reforms emerge from doge let's

00:37:22.950 --> 00:37:28.950
<v Sam>let's negotiate on the billion category like i'll say like no definitely no

00:37:28.950 --> 00:37:34.090
<v Sam>for the trillion level like they're aiming at multiple trillion like 1.5 trillion

00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:39.030
<v Sam>or 2.5 trillion or whatever that's a definite no a billion is small though could

00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:42.630
<v Sam>they find a billion somewhere i bet you.

00:37:42.630 --> 00:37:47.350
<v Ivan>They can find a billion okay a billion yes will they find a billion yes but

00:37:47.350 --> 00:37:49.730
<v Ivan>that's not really that's just chump change that's.

00:37:49.730 --> 00:37:50.690
<v Sam>Not really substantive.

00:37:50.690 --> 00:37:55.810
<v Ivan>No that's chump change yeah i will.

00:37:55.810 --> 00:38:00.450
<v Sam>Say for for the most part doge will be a complete failure they.

00:38:00.450 --> 00:38:00.830
<v Ivan>Will come.

00:38:00.830 --> 00:38:04.770
<v Sam>Up with a whole bunch of things that like that.

00:38:04.770 --> 00:38:09.870
<v Ivan>That are that are that are just that are just politically toxic yeah and everybody

00:38:09.870 --> 00:38:16.010
<v Ivan>will say fuck you we're not doing any of these look yeah this goes back to the well like i.

00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:19.850
<v Sam>Said on the billion they may they may find like one little thing to pull out

00:38:19.850 --> 00:38:22.730
<v Sam>of it to give them some like way to claim.

00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:26.770
<v Ivan>Victory without actually having done this goes back to the reagan administration

00:38:26.770 --> 00:38:31.150
<v Ivan>and david stockman and how he wrote that book the triumph of politics david

00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:35.330
<v Ivan>stockman is the chief of the office of management and budget back then they

00:38:35.330 --> 00:38:39.610
<v Ivan>went in with this plan where they said that they were going to, you know, cut the taxes,

00:38:39.870 --> 00:38:44.150
<v Ivan>the Laffer curve, we're going to, you know, blah, blah, blah, with all trickle down.

00:38:44.390 --> 00:38:48.970
<v Ivan>And the one thing is they needed to do also all these cuts in spending.

00:38:49.310 --> 00:38:53.050
<v Ivan>And when it came to cutting the spending, they did, you know,

00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:54.690
<v Ivan>they did all the tax cuts first.

00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Ivan>Then they went, oh, let's cut the spending. And what happened? Nothing.

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Ivan>Nothing. Not one fucking dime

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.220
<v Ivan>got really cut. Yeah, some bullshit here and there, whatever, whatnot.

00:39:09.460 --> 00:39:15.100
<v Sam>But at most, you will get things held to current level. You will not have actual cuts.

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:15.940
<v Ivan>Exactly.

00:39:16.060 --> 00:39:19.640
<v Sam>Like you will have a reduction in the planned increase.

00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:25.560
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, but the deficit exploded and, you know, we've, you know, yeah.

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.160
<v Ivan>And that was, that was the end of it. You know, there was no,

00:39:29.180 --> 00:39:34.600
<v Ivan>no political will anywhere to go and like all these programs that they have

00:39:34.600 --> 00:39:35.780
<v Ivan>identified that they want to cut.

00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.780
<v Ivan>So no, not, I think, will they find stuff that's over a billion dollars?

00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:42.780
<v Ivan>Maybe, probably.

00:39:43.520 --> 00:39:44.720
<v Sam>Will they do any.

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.740
<v Ivan>Will they cut any program like the ones they've identified, which is I mean,

00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:51.380
<v Ivan>if I'd shit like, hey, let's cut VA health.

00:39:51.640 --> 00:39:57.040
<v Ivan>Hey, let's cut. I mean, it's like, look, dude, it's no, not out.

00:39:57.240 --> 00:40:02.680
<v Sam>I will say further. I fully believe they will find something over a billion

00:40:02.680 --> 00:40:05.560
<v Sam>dollars that they managed to cut.

00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:10.240
<v Sam>But I will say it will be compensate compensated for by increases.

00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:11.820
<v Ivan>Exactly.

00:40:12.540 --> 00:40:18.080
<v Sam>You know, like they will find scapegoat programs that Republicans don't like.

00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:21.620
<v Sam>And they will get rid of them. But then, like, simultaneously,

00:40:21.620 --> 00:40:26.540
<v Sam>they'll do something like increased defense funding or, oh, I know,

00:40:27.100 --> 00:40:29.720
<v Sam>increased funding for SpaceX. You know?

00:40:30.220 --> 00:40:31.120
<v Ivan>That's, you know.

00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Sam>You know, whatever.

00:40:34.220 --> 00:40:40.180
<v Ivan>All I'm saying is what I've got, Laura Loomer is my ally. What the fuck is this plan to come to?

00:40:40.540 --> 00:40:44.020
<v Sam>Okay. Ten seconds. What happened with Laura Loomer? Say it.

00:40:44.020 --> 00:40:49.100
<v Ivan>She basically said what she just said, that all this Doge thing is,

00:40:49.540 --> 00:40:52.620
<v Ivan>hey, I've just figured out that these guys, all they're doing is want to cut

00:40:52.620 --> 00:40:54.900
<v Ivan>money from other stuff just to line their pockets with it.

00:40:56.220 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Ivan>That's what Elon's doing.

00:40:58.100 --> 00:41:05.540
<v Sam>Yes. But I think your overall prediction, though, that, you know, yeah, tax cuts. Yes.

00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.780
<v Sam>Spending cuts. No. That's the rough summary.

00:41:09.020 --> 00:41:09.160
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:41:09.600 --> 00:41:15.340
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Will also from Bruce, will there be any SCOTUS openings?

00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Sam>I'll say yes. Absolutely.

00:41:17.540 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Ivan>Fuck me.

00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:21.780
<v Sam>That probably. I mean, this year.

00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:23.260
<v Ivan>But this. No, but this year.

00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.740
<v Sam>This year, this year, this year, everybody hit the reporting.

00:41:27.740 --> 00:41:30.740
<v Sam>has said that both thomas

00:41:30.740 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Sam>and alito are just waiting for a republican to

00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.700
<v Sam>retire ah okay and so

00:41:37.700 --> 00:41:43.500
<v Sam>i definitely they i could see them spacing those out so i won't say if we'll

00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:48.680
<v Sam>get one or two but i'll say at least one at least one and you you could always

00:41:48.680 --> 00:41:54.080
<v Sam>get surprises of more but i think you'll you'll get at least one in 2025 okay

00:41:54.080 --> 00:41:57.060
<v Sam>and what's your prediction you think.

00:41:58.220 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Ivan>I think not this year.

00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:03.380
<v Sam>They'll figure they have four years. They can wait. And Thomas,

00:42:03.520 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Sam>for instance, he's got all the money coming in. He's got all that stuff.

00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:09.520
<v Ivan>He likes this job.

00:42:09.700 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Sam>Why stop that before he has to?

00:42:12.100 --> 00:42:12.240
<v Ivan>Right.

00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Sam>That's what I'll say. From what I've heard the reporting of,

00:42:15.540 --> 00:42:17.580
<v Sam>he doesn't actually particularly like the job.

00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:20.660
<v Sam>He does like the cash coming in.

00:42:21.560 --> 00:42:23.980
<v Sam>You know, the cash and perks.

00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.780
<v Sam>So maybe Alito will be the one to go. I don't know.

00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.660
<v Sam>But also, you could very well be right that they decide to wait because they've

00:42:34.660 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Sam>got four years now. They can retire.

00:42:37.720 --> 00:42:40.240
<v Sam>They can hang on for another couple of years and then go.

00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:46.660
<v Sam>I think those two are a definite sometime during this administration,

00:42:46.660 --> 00:42:50.320
<v Sam>but I'm still going to predict at least one this year.

00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.660
<v Sam>Okay. Okay.

00:42:53.310 --> 00:42:58.710
<v Sam>Bruce wants to know the size of the 2025 budget deficit. We usually put that

00:42:58.710 --> 00:42:59.810
<v Sam>in economy, but he put it.

00:43:00.730 --> 00:43:01.490
<v Ivan>I don't.

00:43:01.570 --> 00:43:02.190
<v Sam>What is it now?

00:43:02.810 --> 00:43:03.530
<v Ivan>Fuck. I don't.

00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:06.650
<v Sam>I will. I will just say it will be up. It will be.

00:43:06.890 --> 00:43:07.630
<v Ivan>The deficit will go up.

00:43:07.810 --> 00:43:08.850
<v Sam>It will go up.

00:43:08.870 --> 00:43:10.650
<v Ivan>Whatever it is, it's going to go up.

00:43:11.230 --> 00:43:11.610
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:43:11.850 --> 00:43:11.970
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:43:12.030 --> 00:43:16.410
<v Sam>Yeah. I won't give a number, but it will go up. I mean, if they pass the damn

00:43:16.410 --> 00:43:17.890
<v Sam>tax cuts, of course it will.

00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:19.210
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes.

00:43:19.210 --> 00:43:28.150
<v Sam>Like, well, if they pass an extension at current levels, then that ostensibly is flat over right now.

00:43:28.570 --> 00:43:32.050
<v Sam>But they'll probably add some stuff to it. And like we said,

00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:34.030
<v Sam>they're not going to do cuts. Some other stuff will increase,

00:43:34.170 --> 00:43:36.250
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah. It will be up. The deficit will be up.

00:43:36.470 --> 00:43:42.010
<v Sam>Because, you know, as usual, we have the scenario where deficits go down with

00:43:42.010 --> 00:43:45.770
<v Sam>Democratic presidents and go up with Republican presidents. I mean,

00:43:46.070 --> 00:43:51.390
<v Sam>that pattern is held for most of our lives, Yvonne. I don't see any reason why that's going to change.

00:43:51.450 --> 00:43:52.370
<v Ivan>Not going to change.

00:43:52.830 --> 00:43:58.730
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. Next up for me, will the debt limit be increased? Yes.

00:43:59.010 --> 00:43:59.330
<v Ivan>Yes.

00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:03.950
<v Sam>They made that agreement right now. I don't think that's going to change.

00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:05.570
<v Sam>It will, as usual, happen.

00:44:05.810 --> 00:44:11.790
<v Sam>I shouldn't make extra predictions, but as usual, it will happen with Democrats plus a few Republicans.

00:44:12.450 --> 00:44:16.050
<v Sam>Republicans will hate it. There'll be that core group of Republicans who hate

00:44:16.050 --> 00:44:20.850
<v Sam>it and vote against it, but it will happen. Will there be a government shutdown?

00:44:21.790 --> 00:44:27.030
<v Ivan>Yes oh for sure i think we're we're gonna get one the first time this money

00:44:27.030 --> 00:44:31.390
<v Ivan>runs out oh yeah uh well i think that.

00:44:31.390 --> 00:44:33.450
<v Sam>I think they'll avoid it again.

00:44:33.450 --> 00:44:38.110
<v Ivan>I'll be brief but we'll have a shutdown these guys listen like they already

00:44:38.110 --> 00:44:41.970
<v Ivan>you already had to listen you already had to lie to them like through the teeth

00:44:41.970 --> 00:44:43.950
<v Ivan>to get this this resolution well.

00:44:43.950 --> 00:44:45.950
<v Sam>Like the one that happened this time like.

00:44:45.950 --> 00:44:46.750
<v Ivan>Yeah did.

00:44:46.750 --> 00:44:51.070
<v Sam>It count because they technically missed the deadline biden biden.

00:44:51.070 --> 00:44:55.310
<v Ivan>Like signed that bill into law like 12 hours after yeah yeah yeah it didn't

00:44:55.310 --> 00:45:00.390
<v Ivan>count nobody's paychecks got cut nobody it wasn't happened over a weekend the dead dead no no.

00:45:00.390 --> 00:45:03.470
<v Sam>No okay but you you think there will be one.

00:45:03.470 --> 00:45:04.090
<v Ivan>Oh yeah i'm.

00:45:04.090 --> 00:45:06.170
<v Sam>Gonna i'm gonna say no they'll avoid it again.

00:45:06.170 --> 00:45:09.370
<v Ivan>Yeah i think okay sure also.

00:45:09.370 --> 00:45:14.170
<v Sam>For me will Will there be a significant state versus federal confrontation,

00:45:14.890 --> 00:45:19.070
<v Sam>like when the states resisted integration in the South, over Trump trying to

00:45:19.070 --> 00:45:21.130
<v Sam>impose policies on the states?

00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:23.330
<v Ivan>Wait. Huh?

00:45:24.270 --> 00:45:30.310
<v Sam>Okay. During the civil rights era, there were national federal policies on integration and the like.

00:45:30.410 --> 00:45:30.630
<v Ivan>Yeah?

00:45:30.890 --> 00:45:36.990
<v Sam>And various states resisted those and the feds were brought in to enforce it.

00:45:36.990 --> 00:45:39.670
<v Sam>Will that kind of thing happen in the

00:45:39.670 --> 00:45:45.270
<v Sam>first year of the Trump administration where at the federal level they're trying

00:45:45.270 --> 00:45:51.430
<v Sam>to enforce immigration policy or abortion policy or anything like that where

00:45:51.430 --> 00:45:56.390
<v Sam>individual states resist that and there ends up being a confrontation between

00:45:56.390 --> 00:45:57.470
<v Sam>federal and state authorities?

00:45:57.470 --> 00:46:00.810
<v Ivan>I think it's going to just state at the legal, at the courts level.

00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:04.390
<v Ivan>It's not like they're going to march in troops to enforce.

00:46:04.830 --> 00:46:07.710
<v Sam>Like they did in the 60s. Cause that did happen in the second.

00:46:07.750 --> 00:46:09.910
<v Ivan>Yeah. That did not go over well.

00:46:10.670 --> 00:46:15.990
<v Sam>Well, I mean, yeah, the feds ended up imposing their will against the states

00:46:15.990 --> 00:46:18.710
<v Sam>in that case, which in that particular case, I approve.

00:46:19.030 --> 00:46:25.090
<v Sam>I imagine I would disagree with Trump trying to do the same if some state would resist.

00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:26.850
<v Ivan>But it was very, you know.

00:46:27.450 --> 00:46:28.750
<v Sam>It depends on the thing.

00:46:29.310 --> 00:46:39.110
<v Ivan>Yeah, it was, you know, it overall that although that was done, it was problematic.

00:46:39.110 --> 00:46:42.190
<v Sam>Okay but you're saying that won't happen now

00:46:42.190 --> 00:46:45.170
<v Sam>i'm gonna say it will and at least one place

00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:51.990
<v Sam>there will be a situation where you know state authorities are actively saying

00:46:51.990 --> 00:46:58.790
<v Sam>no to something trump wants and trump's going to do something you know nationalize

00:46:58.790 --> 00:47:02.630
<v Sam>the national guard or or Or instruct, you know,

00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:05.570
<v Sam>the FBI to do something,

00:47:06.110 --> 00:47:11.330
<v Sam>you know, I don't know, like there'd be some sort of conflict of that sort that's

00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:12.310
<v Sam>outside of just the courts.

00:47:12.310 --> 00:47:15.050
<v Ivan>I keep thinking in my head, just like troops, like all of a sudden,

00:47:15.250 --> 00:47:20.390
<v Ivan>like, you know, or, you know, making something happen. I just don't think that's going to happen.

00:47:20.830 --> 00:47:26.610
<v Sam>Okay. Next up, will the number of undocumented migrants entering the United

00:47:26.610 --> 00:47:29.670
<v Sam>States go up or down? Also for me.

00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:35.030
<v Ivan>I think a number of listen during the Trump administration they had a surge

00:47:35.030 --> 00:47:40.410
<v Ivan>of border crossings you know this is the whole thing so he will say that he

00:47:40.410 --> 00:47:44.210
<v Ivan>will get the border under control but and are we talking.

00:47:44.210 --> 00:47:46.530
<v Sam>Not or gross we should specify.

00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.260
<v Ivan>I'm talking gross number of crossings.

00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Sam>Okay. Yes.

00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:52.740
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:53.820
<v Sam>You think it's going to go up?

00:47:54.080 --> 00:47:54.500
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.560
<v Sam>An actual number of estimated crossings, not number caught.

00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:02.240
<v Ivan>Right. Correct. Yeah.

00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:04.120
<v Sam>Do we have good numbers on that?

00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.080
<v Ivan>There are. I mean, let me.

00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:15.260
<v Sam>There's good numbers on caught. I know, but I'm going to say it will go down because Trump will.

00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:17.460
<v Sam>You're right. it went up when he

00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:23.700
<v Sam>was being exceptionally harsh like four years ago but i think in the end,

00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:32.080
<v Sam>that that there's more to do with other like the situations in the home countries and stuff well yes.

00:48:32.080 --> 00:48:40.340
<v Ivan>And but but i i think that well that's the problem okay that we've had you know

00:48:40.340 --> 00:48:45.340
<v Ivan>this is the global population the global situation is getting better.

00:48:45.340 --> 00:48:51.700
<v Sam>Right it's not no you know are you going to change my mind no i'll stick with

00:48:51.700 --> 00:48:58.140
<v Sam>it'll go down it'll go down but not by much how about total immigration including

00:48:58.140 --> 00:48:59.940
<v Sam>legal immigration to the u.s.

00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:01.600
<v Ivan>Up or down i'm.

00:49:01.600 --> 00:49:02.220
<v Sam>Going to say down.

00:49:02.220 --> 00:49:05.620
<v Ivan>Yeah because there are a lot of people who find.

00:49:05.620 --> 00:49:07.060
<v Sam>Coming here less attractive.

00:49:07.060 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Ivan>Yeah probably go down you see the

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Ivan>thing is my problem is that you've got the one data of

00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.400
<v Ivan>course that i i found is the number of encounters by

00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.700
<v Ivan>u.s border patrols which by the way that doesn't really is not the same no it's

00:49:21.700 --> 00:49:27.640
<v Ivan>not the same at all no at all it means that they're they're being far more effective

00:49:27.640 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Ivan>at like intercepting people it's not this is uh uh so i i don't uh,

00:49:36.030 --> 00:49:41.730
<v Ivan>You know, you know, I have to see, I'm going to have to find to see if we've got good data.

00:49:41.910 --> 00:49:45.190
<v Sam>How about deportations? Will deportations actually go up?

00:49:45.610 --> 00:49:50.630
<v Sam>Like, like Donald Trump, one of his main pillars is I'm going to deport like

00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:53.530
<v Sam>millions and millions of people, mass deportations.

00:49:54.890 --> 00:49:59.550
<v Sam>Like, will deportations actually go up 2025 versus 2024?

00:49:59.930 --> 00:50:03.170
<v Ivan>I don't think so because they've already been ramped up like crazy.

00:50:03.370 --> 00:50:06.330
<v Ivan>This is the problem. understand they're already

00:50:06.330 --> 00:50:09.150
<v Ivan>i mean i don't i

00:50:09.150 --> 00:50:12.430
<v Ivan>don't understand how physically we increase that but it's

00:50:12.430 --> 00:50:17.710
<v Ivan>already at the number of encounters are record numbers we've had record numbers

00:50:17.710 --> 00:50:22.170
<v Ivan>of deportations and the reality is that they went down under the first trump

00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:26.830
<v Ivan>administration versus the obama administration so i'm not even like i i don't

00:50:26.830 --> 00:50:29.610
<v Ivan>i don't i don't know man i i is i'm.

00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:33.770
<v Sam>Gonna I'm going to say, yes, it will go up. He will figure out a way to make it go up.

00:50:33.890 --> 00:50:41.410
<v Sam>And even, and separate prediction aside from the numbers, there will be show deeper deportations.

00:50:41.570 --> 00:50:42.430
<v Ivan>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:42.490 --> 00:50:45.590
<v Sam>That, that will, he will make a point of having

00:50:45.590 --> 00:50:51.850
<v Sam>really highly visible deportations where they're going in and doing raids and

00:50:51.850 --> 00:50:57.370
<v Sam>kicking people out of the country and stuff like that to make it look like there's

00:50:57.370 --> 00:51:03.010
<v Sam>a big effort regardless of the numbers and to make it seem extremely hostile.

00:51:04.330 --> 00:51:08.210
<v Sam>But I think the number actually will go up. I think this was such a central

00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:10.430
<v Sam>plank they'll figure out a way to make it happen.

00:51:11.110 --> 00:51:13.890
<v Sam>Any more thoughts on this one? If not, it's time to take a break.

00:51:14.510 --> 00:51:18.810
<v Ivan>Encounters, nationwide encounters, southwest land border encounters, title eight.

00:51:19.310 --> 00:51:22.850
<v Ivan>That's the problem. I mean the only real information we have are encounters.

00:51:23.370 --> 00:51:23.950
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

00:51:24.730 --> 00:51:26.090
<v Ivan>And they went way up.

00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:29.940
<v Ivan>Under Biden from the Trump administration.

00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:36.160
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm not even going to go there. The impression is so counter than that,

00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.580
<v Sam>like that was left during the campaign, right?

00:51:38.860 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Sam>They successfully managed to paint Biden as like a pansy on the border,

00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.940
<v Sam>but he was deporting way more people than Trump did.

00:51:48.120 --> 00:51:52.020
<v Ivan>Exactly. So it's, I'm like, okay.

00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:55.680
<v Ivan>Anyway.

00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Sam>Okay.

00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:02.080
<v Ivan>By the way, have you heard from, ever since Trump won, any of those governors

00:52:02.080 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Ivan>complaining about the border crisis?

00:52:04.340 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Sam>Nah, I haven't heard anything lately. No.

00:52:06.700 --> 00:52:08.420
<v Ivan>Me neither. It's amazing.

00:52:08.520 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Sam>Amazing that. Yeah. Okay, let's take a break, and we will come back for international.

00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:20.900
<v Sam>I normally randomize the breaks, but I'm just going to go in order from oldest to newest here.

00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:23.740
<v Sam>and uh yeah because it's easier for

00:52:23.740 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Sam>me and it doesn't bring up a chance of the ones i have to prepare for

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.880
<v Sam>here we go and yvonne's

00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Sam>dying already uh this this segment is almost always by far our longest segment

00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:42.640
<v Sam>like twice three times as long as anything else and we're we generally zoom

00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:47.060
<v Sam>through each segment is usually shorter than the one before so anyway here we

00:52:47.060 --> 00:52:50.240
<v Sam>go uh first break ray lynch here we go,

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<v Sam>Okay, we're back and it's time for international starting with Europe.

00:54:55.950 --> 00:55:00.430
<v Sam>First question is from Bruce. Will there be a ceasefire in Ukraine?

00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:01.310
<v Ivan>No.

00:55:01.910 --> 00:55:02.370
<v Sam>No.

00:55:02.910 --> 00:55:04.450
<v Ivan>In this year, no.

00:55:04.570 --> 00:55:07.770
<v Sam>In 2025. How do you think it's going to play out?

00:55:07.770 --> 00:55:11.030
<v Ivan>I think it might be a ceasefire later, but I just don't, no,

00:55:11.150 --> 00:55:15.610
<v Ivan>no, I just don't think there will be a ceasefire this year.

00:55:15.790 --> 00:55:18.150
<v Sam>This year, this year, well, 2025.

00:55:18.670 --> 00:55:22.970
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, 2025. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't think it's 25, 2026,

00:55:23.190 --> 00:55:25.290
<v Ivan>maybe, but I just don't, don't think 2025.

00:55:25.670 --> 00:55:28.690
<v Sam>But Yvonne, Donald Trump said he would do it in 24 hours.

00:55:28.950 --> 00:55:31.630
<v Ivan>Well, apparently Putin already told him no.

00:55:32.290 --> 00:55:42.230
<v Sam>So, yeah, but I think I'm going to say yes, but not because of like,

00:55:42.430 --> 00:55:47.510
<v Sam>I think it's just going to be a situation where you almost have to,

00:55:47.550 --> 00:55:51.150
<v Sam>like with the lack of support from the Trump side,

00:55:51.570 --> 00:55:55.990
<v Sam>Ukraine is going to just be in a very bad spot and is going to have to like

00:55:55.990 --> 00:56:00.110
<v Sam>look for something where, and we're not talking about a permanent peace deal.

00:56:00.110 --> 00:56:06.370
<v Sam>We're just talking about a ceasefire where some sort of thing where they freeze the line back off.

00:56:06.590 --> 00:56:07.710
<v Ivan>I mean, look, we're not.

00:56:07.850 --> 00:56:12.570
<v Sam>Yeah. So you're saying you're saying that if if if there's weakness on the Ukraine

00:56:12.570 --> 00:56:15.010
<v Sam>side, the Russians are just going to push forward.

00:56:15.190 --> 00:56:19.190
<v Sam>They're not going to agree to a pause because like you could you could imagine

00:56:19.190 --> 00:56:25.030
<v Sam>even like the reason Ukraine says they don't want to cease fire is because the

00:56:25.030 --> 00:56:28.970
<v Sam>Russians will just take the opportunity to refresh their forces, rearm, whatever.

00:56:28.970 --> 00:56:34.610
<v Sam>You don't think the Russians would want a pause just for those purposes and

00:56:34.610 --> 00:56:36.230
<v Sam>then resume a few months later.

00:56:36.450 --> 00:56:40.190
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, they don't want to do that. You know...

00:56:40.970 --> 00:56:47.590
<v Ivan>There is a lot of like material and munitions and other things that I have heard

00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:53.630
<v Ivan>are being also sourced from other places right now. There's also a whole bunch of different like.

00:56:53.710 --> 00:56:59.270
<v Sam>Well, the whole Russian war effort is at this point, almost a proxy for North Korea and Iran.

00:56:59.650 --> 00:57:02.750
<v Ivan>Well, exactly. So that's why I'm like, I don't know, man.

00:57:02.950 --> 00:57:10.150
<v Ivan>I just don't think that I don't, I think there'll be a lot of posturing and negotiating this year.

00:57:10.150 --> 00:57:12.950
<v Ivan>But I just don't think that it's going to happen that quickly in 2025,

00:57:12.950 --> 00:57:18.470
<v Ivan>you know, especially because Putin just got his ass handed to him in Syria.

00:57:18.910 --> 00:57:19.490
<v Sam>Yes.

00:57:19.750 --> 00:57:28.070
<v Ivan>And I don't think that from his perspective, he would see a ceasefire right

00:57:28.070 --> 00:57:32.250
<v Ivan>now as beneficial because of the embarrassment of which has happened in Syria.

00:57:33.110 --> 00:57:39.290
<v Sam>I'm going to say yes to a ceasefire, but I don't think it will last.

00:57:39.810 --> 00:57:44.890
<v Sam>Like there may be a ceasefire for a short amount of time, but not through,

00:57:45.190 --> 00:57:48.710
<v Sam>not necessarily through the end of the year.

00:57:49.210 --> 00:57:52.330
<v Ivan>So you think there's going to be like some kind of short ceasefire?

00:57:52.890 --> 00:57:56.690
<v Sam>Yeah. Like I think there's going to be some sort of thing where.

00:57:56.990 --> 00:57:59.950
<v Ivan>Well, let's be clear. I don't want to drag it out.

00:58:00.610 --> 00:58:05.330
<v Ivan>You think, yes, ceasefire, at least one, even brief, I say no way.

00:58:06.130 --> 00:58:10.010
<v Sam>Okay, and then Bruce's next question is, will there be a signed peace deal in

00:58:10.010 --> 00:58:10.990
<v Sam>Ukraine? And I'm going to say no.

00:58:10.990 --> 00:58:15.510
<v Ivan>Oh, fuck, no. Jesus Christ. I mean, you know, there's been wars that have had

00:58:15.510 --> 00:58:19.690
<v Ivan>30, we don't have a peace deal from the Korean War yet, for God's sakes.

00:58:19.890 --> 00:58:21.810
<v Ivan>No, we don't. That's still technically a war.

00:58:22.150 --> 00:58:26.670
<v Sam>And remember, World War II ended in 1989, or was it 93?

00:58:27.150 --> 00:58:31.210
<v Sam>It might have even been passed. It was like 93 or so. It was with German unification

00:58:31.210 --> 00:58:34.190
<v Sam>was when their peace treaty with the U.S.

00:58:34.390 --> 00:58:36.510
<v Sam>was actually signed for World War II.

00:58:36.590 --> 00:58:40.730
<v Ivan>Right. So, yeah. So, you know, the fuck are we talking about? Hell no.

00:58:41.310 --> 00:58:46.890
<v Sam>Yeah. No signed peace deal, but I think there will be at least one ceasefire.

00:58:47.010 --> 00:58:52.430
<v Sam>And I think it's going to primarily be driven by the fact that Ukraine is going

00:58:52.430 --> 00:58:58.810
<v Sam>to be really struggling without the same levels of active support that Biden has been giving. what.

00:58:58.810 --> 00:58:59.930
<v Ivan>I what i just think.

00:58:59.930 --> 00:59:03.110
<v Sam>Is although trump has said trump in an interview last week

00:59:03.110 --> 00:59:09.430
<v Sam>or two weeks ago something said that he would be in favor of with a ceasefire

00:59:09.430 --> 00:59:15.510
<v Sam>actually continuing to arm ukraine and even potentially putting nato forces

00:59:15.510 --> 00:59:22.910
<v Sam>in ukraine as long as the is part of a deal that said you know whatever uh.

00:59:24.030 --> 00:59:26.770
<v Ivan>But how do I explain to you?

00:59:26.850 --> 00:59:30.870
<v Sam>This might be one of those Nixon to China things where like Trump can pull something

00:59:30.870 --> 00:59:32.530
<v Sam>off that Biden was never able to.

00:59:33.030 --> 00:59:39.930
<v Ivan>Maybe. But the thing is that, look, he's like a weather vane. I mean, what the hell?

00:59:40.210 --> 00:59:44.210
<v Ivan>I mean, come on. I don't know. Tomorrow the wind's going to be going the other way.

00:59:44.370 --> 00:59:48.430
<v Ivan>And he's going to say that we're, you know, fucking we're turning Ukraine over to Russia.

00:59:49.030 --> 00:59:50.490
<v Sam>We'll bomb Ukraine ourselves.

00:59:51.790 --> 00:59:56.750
<v Ivan>Yes. That would be out of the realm of possibility of something that he would say one day. Yes.

00:59:58.570 --> 01:00:02.530
<v Sam>So anyway, summary, you're saying no ceasefire, no peace deal.

01:00:02.710 --> 01:00:06.210
<v Sam>I'm saying yes, ceasefire, no peace deal. And the ceasefire may be temporary.

01:00:06.530 --> 01:00:10.690
<v Sam>And the may be temporary. That part's not a prediction, but yes. Okay.

01:00:11.270 --> 01:00:16.250
<v Sam>Well, then Ed asks the other part of it, sort of the complete opposite direction.

01:00:16.430 --> 01:00:19.710
<v Sam>Will Ukraine be defeated and completely annexed into Russia?

01:00:20.470 --> 01:00:21.990
<v Sam>I don't think that's happening either.

01:00:21.990 --> 01:00:25.070
<v Ivan>Look i think all i'm saying is that for

01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:28.170
<v Ivan>all of russia's might and how much they put into syria

01:00:28.170 --> 01:00:32.730
<v Ivan>and how quickly that folded and even afghanistan were to try the same thing

01:00:32.730 --> 01:00:36.830
<v Ivan>and they folded there too ukraine is actually stronger than either of those

01:00:36.830 --> 01:00:40.490
<v Ivan>they don't have the war with all for that they have they have the they have

01:00:40.490 --> 01:00:46.710
<v Ivan>the thing to inflict damage that they do but you know the the reality.

01:00:46.710 --> 01:00:51.350
<v Sam>Of the situation in ukraine is all of the major action in terms of land-changing

01:00:51.350 --> 01:00:57.410
<v Sam>hands happened either when they took Crimea years ago,

01:00:57.410 --> 01:01:01.850
<v Sam>or in the first few months of the full invasion.

01:01:02.930 --> 01:01:07.510
<v Sam>And that since then, once Ukraine repelled that initial assault,

01:01:07.830 --> 01:01:12.010
<v Sam>the front lines have been really static for a long time.

01:01:12.270 --> 01:01:19.070
<v Sam>In the last year, Russia has gained some ground.

01:01:19.070 --> 01:01:22.950
<v Sam>Like it's been a long time since Ukraine gained ground, not aside from their

01:01:22.950 --> 01:01:29.330
<v Sam>little thing in Kursk, but it's, it's been tiny amounts of land for the most part,

01:01:29.610 --> 01:01:34.650
<v Sam>things have been pretty stagnant for over a year now.

01:01:35.030 --> 01:01:35.150
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:01:36.390 --> 01:01:41.050
<v Sam>Here's an additional one. Will Ukraine still have a presence in Kursk at the

01:01:41.050 --> 01:01:44.350
<v Sam>end of the year? Like actually inside Russia? I'm going to say no.

01:01:46.810 --> 01:01:50.790
<v Ivan>Ah, I get that right. I think so. And the cursor region F.

01:01:52.070 --> 01:01:56.730
<v Ivan>I hate these questions. I'll go with yes.

01:01:57.530 --> 01:02:06.590
<v Sam>Okay. I will also add, will the percentage of Ukraine occupied by Russia go up or down in 2025?

01:02:07.110 --> 01:02:09.830
<v Sam>And through November, because that's as far as we'll know, probably.

01:02:10.090 --> 01:02:14.630
<v Sam>I will say Russia, the Russian percentage will increase.

01:02:14.930 --> 01:02:15.390
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:02:15.790 --> 01:02:16.410
<v Sam>You agree?

01:02:16.690 --> 01:02:17.070
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:02:17.790 --> 01:02:24.290
<v Sam>Okay. Moving on from Ukraine, Bruce asks, will there be a coup in any European country?

01:02:25.670 --> 01:02:27.010
<v Sam>No, I'll agree.

01:02:28.430 --> 01:02:34.350
<v Sam>Through non-coup means, this one's from me, will right-wing parties take power

01:02:34.350 --> 01:02:36.810
<v Sam>in any more European countries in 2025?

01:02:36.990 --> 01:02:39.990
<v Sam>It looks like Germany's government just collapsed.

01:02:40.310 --> 01:02:44.210
<v Sam>France's government has been having issues. They're both likely to have that

01:02:44.210 --> 01:02:45.990
<v Sam>resolved in one way or another this year.

01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:48.970
<v Sam>There may be other countries. i know that there were some.

01:02:48.970 --> 01:02:53.470
<v Ivan>I'm gonna say no and i'm gonna tell you why because i do think that trump re-elected

01:02:53.470 --> 01:02:57.210
<v Ivan>also swings the pendulum of opinion on this like the other way it's one of these

01:02:57.210 --> 01:03:00.990
<v Ivan>like you know you get these pendulum swings of this shit i think we've had the

01:03:00.990 --> 01:03:05.730
<v Ivan>pendulum swing like way like that way like right now and i think it's gonna

01:03:05.730 --> 01:03:07.930
<v Ivan>start coming back to a certain extent how.

01:03:07.930 --> 01:03:09.710
<v Sam>About any eastern european like near.

01:03:09.710 --> 01:03:13.930
<v Ivan>Russia yeah yeah yeah they actually they've tried that And it's been,

01:03:13.930 --> 01:03:17.310
<v Ivan>you know, it's been met with like complete opposite. Okay.

01:03:18.450 --> 01:03:24.470
<v Sam>I will say no. Oh, well, we're on right wing parties taking power now, not coup.

01:03:25.010 --> 01:03:28.890
<v Ivan>Yeah. Right wing parties taking power. So I'm saying that even like there's

01:03:28.890 --> 01:03:32.870
<v Ivan>been certain countries like near the Ukraine.

01:03:32.870 --> 01:03:36.690
<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait. Let me ask. Do we just count?

01:03:37.570 --> 01:03:41.330
<v Sam>Do the conservative parties count or do we have to have like the neo-Nazis?

01:03:41.330 --> 01:03:46.870
<v Sam>Like if the more conservative parties take over in Germany and France, does that count?

01:03:47.050 --> 01:03:48.130
<v Ivan>Well, it's like right wing.

01:03:48.630 --> 01:03:53.990
<v Sam>Yeah. So I was thinking Germany and France could both go right.

01:03:55.670 --> 01:04:00.490
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, I'm already considering that they have gone already for the right.

01:04:00.710 --> 01:04:04.670
<v Ivan>The question is whether you think that they're going to install a right government.

01:04:05.310 --> 01:04:06.210
<v Sam>The reality is that they have.

01:04:06.490 --> 01:04:09.790
<v Ivan>No, but the reality is that installing, they've moved right. Right.

01:04:10.110 --> 01:04:14.730
<v Sam>But the parliament of both countries are more, more to the right than they were.

01:04:14.870 --> 01:04:19.790
<v Sam>But the actual composition is like the actual leaders are not right.

01:04:19.790 --> 01:04:24.570
<v Ivan>Exactly. Because they only have about 30 percent. So it's one of those things

01:04:24.570 --> 01:04:27.170
<v Ivan>where, yeah, they have increased percentages.

01:04:27.790 --> 01:04:31.590
<v Sam>Will a conservative coalition take over for more liberal coalitions?

01:04:32.570 --> 01:04:34.730
<v Sam>I'm going to say yes, in both France and Germany.

01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.400
<v Ivan>Yeah, sure. Okay.

01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:43.860
<v Sam>Okay. But we're both saying, yes, it may be a more conservative government.

01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:44.920
<v Ivan>It's not a neo-Nazi.

01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:48.860
<v Sam>But it's not going to be like Le Pen is the next president of France or something.

01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:50.080
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

01:04:50.460 --> 01:04:53.660
<v Sam>Or the AFD or whatever is not going to rule Germany.

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:54.180
<v Ivan>Right.

01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:59.600
<v Sam>Okay. And my next question was, if so, which? I said France and Germany.

01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:00.440
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:04.420
<v Sam>Okay. Will Russia invade any more countries?

01:05:05.020 --> 01:05:05.500
<v Ivan>No.

01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:10.240
<v Sam>No, I'm going to say no as well. They've been really battered by this one.

01:05:10.460 --> 01:05:18.140
<v Sam>They would need to sort of, I feel like they're not going to invade more until this one is resolved.

01:05:18.260 --> 01:05:20.820
<v Sam>And I don't think this one's going to be resolved in 2025.

01:05:21.240 --> 01:05:22.200
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly.

01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:27.660
<v Sam>Okay. Middle East. Will any Russian troops still be president?

01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:32.720
<v Sam>President. Will any Russian troops still be present in Syria at the end of the year?

01:05:33.540 --> 01:05:35.760
<v Sam>They've got some naval bases right now.

01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:37.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know.

01:05:37.180 --> 01:05:38.120
<v Sam>And some other presidents.

01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:42.340
<v Ivan>I'm thinking that they're going to wind them kicking them out.

01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:44.540
<v Sam>Yeah, I think they're out.

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:50.060
<v Ivan>Yeah, they're out. I mean, the people who have taken over have definitely want

01:05:50.060 --> 01:05:51.040
<v Ivan>them out. They don't want them there.

01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.600
<v Sam>How about U.S. troops? We've got like 900 there right now.

01:05:55.600 --> 01:05:59.820
<v Ivan>We keep having 900 of them. They've never totally left.

01:06:00.820 --> 01:06:03.720
<v Ivan>Well, you're talking about the Middle East. But wait, is it,

01:06:03.820 --> 01:06:05.740
<v Ivan>you're talking Syria specifically or Middle East?

01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:11.220
<v Sam>Syria specifically. Syria specifically. These two questions are both from Bruce, by the way.

01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Ivan>I got to say there's going to be some troops there. Like, you know,

01:06:16.300 --> 01:06:18.040
<v Ivan>I mean, right now we're talking about 900.

01:06:18.460 --> 01:06:21.460
<v Sam>So I don't think the U.S. is leaving. This is, you know.

01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Ivan>If you remember. We're going to have a non-zero number.

01:06:24.020 --> 01:06:27.860
<v Sam>This particular set of troops was there all the way back to the Trump administration.

01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Sam>They're guarding oil fields or something.

01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:31.520
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:06:31.520 --> 01:06:36.640
<v Sam>I forget the details, but something like that. And Trump was convinced to put

01:06:36.640 --> 01:06:38.980
<v Sam>him there in the first place. I don't think he's going to change his mind.

01:06:39.240 --> 01:06:42.800
<v Sam>That part of Syria is not having a lot.

01:06:43.100 --> 01:06:48.180
<v Sam>I mean, the American troops there have not been under a lot of attack.

01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:53.200
<v Sam>I don't think there's been nothing, but it's not been a major source of U.S.

01:06:53.300 --> 01:06:54.360
<v Sam>casualties or anything.

01:06:54.680 --> 01:06:58.960
<v Sam>And so I think the U.S. troops are saying, and I'm going to go back on Russia.

01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.200
<v Sam>I think they're going to want the Russians out, but aren't actually going to

01:07:02.200 --> 01:07:03.320
<v Sam>be able to force them out.

01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:06.720
<v Sam>So I think there will be Russian troops still in Syria at the time.

01:07:07.980 --> 01:07:12.680
<v Sam>And I'm going to go out of order on my list a little bit just to finish up the Syria stuff.

01:07:13.240 --> 01:07:18.260
<v Sam>Ed wants to know, will a new dictatorship or equivalent take over in Syria?

01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:22.880
<v Sam>And he makes a prediction that he thinks yes, by August 2025. Yeah.

01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:28.400
<v Sam>Let me give my answer. I think the government that takes over in Damascus will

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.180
<v Sam>not be, you know, a fun, friendly democracy with liberal values.

01:07:33.600 --> 01:07:40.220
<v Sam>It's going, it's not going to be tolerant, multicultural, blah, blah, blah.

01:07:40.620 --> 01:07:47.360
<v Sam>And it will, it will have a regime that I don't know if it'll be a dictatorship

01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:54.560
<v Sam>per se, but it will not be a friendly regime. And more so, it's also not going to control all of Syria.

01:07:54.980 --> 01:08:00.640
<v Sam>Like, this is not the end of the Syrian civil war. This is just Assad's gone.

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:05.640
<v Sam>There are still, like, multiple factions fighting over Syria.

01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:07.340
<v Sam>Like, there's- All right.

01:08:07.460 --> 01:08:09.680
<v Ivan>So it's okay. Tangent. Okay.

01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.780
<v Sam>Tangent. Yes.

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:11.560
<v Ivan>Okay. Yeah.

01:08:12.040 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Sam>Will there be a new dictator?

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:14.240
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:08:14.520 --> 01:08:18.880
<v Sam>Yes. New dictatorship in Syria. And I guess my, it depends what you call dictatorship,

01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:24.360
<v Sam>but it won't be- It's not going to be a democratically elected government. Yes. Yes. Agreed.

01:08:24.940 --> 01:08:30.380
<v Sam>Okay. From Bruce now and leaving Syria, will Netanyahu still be PM of Israel?

01:08:31.420 --> 01:08:31.980
<v Ivan>Fuck.

01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Sam>Because he's got that trial going on right now. The war is still going on. He's got like.

01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.940
<v Ivan>You know what? I'm going to go out and say no.

01:08:43.460 --> 01:08:50.100
<v Sam>I'll say no as well. Like even the people who are fully supportive of everything

01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:53.520
<v Sam>he's done still don't really like him right now.

01:08:54.060 --> 01:08:54.160
<v Ivan>Right.

01:08:54.900 --> 01:08:59.400
<v Sam>So I figure if they have an opportunity to dump him, they will.

01:08:59.740 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Sam>Whether or not his replacement will be more or less Netanyahu-ish, I don't know.

01:09:07.200 --> 01:09:13.080
<v Sam>But I think he'll be gone. We'll see. Bruce also asks, will there be a ceasefire in Gaza? Yeah.

01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:22.440
<v Ivan>I'm going to say yes. This year, I think 2025 is finally going to happen because the one,

01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:28.440
<v Ivan>not only is Netanyahu getting pressured on this to get a ceasefire,

01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:29.720
<v Ivan>he's getting a lot of pressure.

01:09:30.020 --> 01:09:33.860
<v Ivan>But by the way, Hamas right now, with all the shit that's going on,

01:09:34.320 --> 01:09:38.160
<v Ivan>they're getting heavily pressured also as well about this because people are

01:09:38.160 --> 01:09:41.860
<v Ivan>now actually also in Gaza are getting pissed at Hamas as well,

01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:44.280
<v Ivan>not just Israel, about what the fuck is going on.

01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:50.280
<v Sam>I'll say there will be a ceasefire, but it'll be basically on Israel's terms.

01:09:50.700 --> 01:09:55.240
<v Sam>Israel has basically said, yeah, you'll get a ceasefire when you're all dead.

01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:02.420
<v Sam>Once we have killed all of Hamas and made them completely ineffectual and unable

01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:04.720
<v Sam>to take control again, then we'll stop.

01:10:05.020 --> 01:10:09.080
<v Sam>And I think that's what the situation is going to be. I think Israel will feel,

01:10:10.320 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Sam>first of all, they're practically there already.

01:10:13.160 --> 01:10:18.520
<v Sam>They have done a lot of damage. And at a certain point, they'll be able to say,

01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:21.740
<v Sam>okay, we've done enough. We can stop.

01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:26.860
<v Sam>And I think that's what's going to happen. It's not going to be like Israel

01:10:26.860 --> 01:10:31.720
<v Sam>and Hamas making some deal and the hostages and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:10:31.940 --> 01:10:36.200
<v Sam>It's basically going to say, it's going to be Israel saying,

01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:38.980
<v Sam>okay, we've beaten you enough now. We can pause.

01:10:39.660 --> 01:10:43.260
<v Sam>And it will be a ceasefire. It will not be a peace agreement.

01:10:45.100 --> 01:10:51.400
<v Sam>Okay, next up, also from Bruce, will the IDF fully withdraw from Gaza? Hell no. No, no way.

01:10:52.030 --> 01:10:52.930
<v Ivan>Wait, say that again.

01:10:53.490 --> 01:10:56.510
<v Sam>Will the IDF fully withdraw from Gaza?

01:10:56.770 --> 01:10:58.150
<v Ivan>Oh, 2025 now.

01:10:58.830 --> 01:11:04.150
<v Sam>Yeah, no way. No way. There is going to be a permanent IDF position there.

01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:10.950
<v Sam>There is lots of pressure to have Israel sort of permanently take over northern Gaza.

01:11:11.610 --> 01:11:15.590
<v Sam>You know, build Jared Kushner's condos, you know, those kinds of things.

01:11:15.930 --> 01:11:19.110
<v Sam>They are, no, they're not leaving.

01:11:19.490 --> 01:11:22.150
<v Sam>They're not leaving. And even if there's a ceasefire, they're not leaving.

01:11:23.130 --> 01:11:26.890
<v Sam>They feel like the fact that they left whatever it was a decade and a half ago

01:11:26.890 --> 01:11:29.090
<v Sam>was a mistake, and they're not going to do it again.

01:11:30.270 --> 01:11:38.670
<v Sam>I think the best scenario Gaza has in their future right now is something like

01:11:38.670 --> 01:11:43.970
<v Sam>the West Bank has now, which is by no means good for the Palestinians and the West Bank.

01:11:44.130 --> 01:11:47.430
<v Sam>But I guess it's better than being bombed every day.

01:11:48.830 --> 01:11:52.310
<v Ivan>That only sounds good. But that's always, you know, hey, you know,

01:11:52.410 --> 01:11:55.730
<v Ivan>that should be put on T-shirts, you know, if you go on vacation.

01:11:56.370 --> 01:12:00.330
<v Ivan>Better here than being bombed every day. Sounds like a good slogan for a T-shirt.

01:12:00.870 --> 01:12:05.470
<v Sam>And to be clear, it's not good in the West Bank. And there are Palestinians

01:12:05.470 --> 01:12:08.390
<v Sam>dying every day in the West Bank because of Israeli actions.

01:12:08.790 --> 01:12:12.750
<v Sam>But it's better than what's going on in Gaza. And I think that's the scenario

01:12:12.750 --> 01:12:16.090
<v Sam>you have is West Bank will be like Gaza is today.

01:12:16.690 --> 01:12:23.390
<v Sam>Lots of Israeli presence. Lots of Israeli control. but not quite as active a conflict. Okay.

01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:23.790
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:12:25.030 --> 01:12:29.990
<v Sam>Next, for me, will Saudi Arabia recognize Israel? Not in 2025, I don't think.

01:12:30.350 --> 01:12:30.530
<v Ivan>No.

01:12:30.770 --> 01:12:37.450
<v Sam>They were on the verge of it before this Gaza thing, but I think it'll happen

01:12:37.450 --> 01:12:39.590
<v Sam>eventually, but I don't think it's going to happen in 2025.

01:12:40.550 --> 01:12:44.190
<v Sam>Also me, will the war in Yemen still be continuing?

01:12:45.190 --> 01:12:45.710
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:12:46.770 --> 01:12:53.950
<v Sam>Agreed, yes. also also me will any western countries normalize relationships with iran.

01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:59.360
<v Ivan>No, no, no, not, not when the political situation is going on right now. Now.

01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:02.860
<v Sam>I mean, obviously there are countries that do have normal relationship with

01:13:02.860 --> 01:13:05.780
<v Sam>Iran already, but I don't think any Western countries are going to do that.

01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:11.500
<v Sam>Will a more widespread multi-country conflict breakout in the Middle East?

01:13:12.300 --> 01:13:12.740
<v Ivan>No.

01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.880
<v Sam>I'm going to say no as well. I think the maximum point of danger for that passed

01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:22.120
<v Sam>a few months ago when Israel was in Lebanon and all that kind of stuff.

01:13:22.120 --> 01:13:25.200
<v Sam>It could have widened significantly.

01:13:26.020 --> 01:13:31.460
<v Sam>But with Iran making a couple attacks on Israel that were completely ineffectual

01:13:31.460 --> 01:13:40.260
<v Sam>and getting humiliated by that, and Israel kicking butt in Lebanon and Syria collapsing,

01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:42.620
<v Sam>I think, yeah, no, no.

01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:47.800
<v Sam>Okay. Asia from Bruce, will Trump reopen talks with North Korea?

01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:49.320
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:13:50.240 --> 01:13:55.260
<v Sam>I'm going to say no, not because he does. I think he loves the guy.

01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.620
<v Sam>He does love the guy, but I think it's just not top of mind right now.

01:13:59.940 --> 01:14:03.680
<v Sam>Like North Carolina, not North Carolina.

01:14:04.980 --> 01:14:06.200
<v Sam>That's a little bit different.

01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.420
<v Sam>Yes. Trump will reopen talks with North Carolina.

01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:17.740
<v Sam>No, I don't think he's going to reopen it. And again, not because he wouldn't

01:14:17.740 --> 01:14:21.020
<v Sam>want to, but because he's going to go where the attention was.

01:14:21.180 --> 01:14:23.840
<v Sam>And if you remember the last time he did that in North Korea,

01:14:24.420 --> 01:14:26.540
<v Sam>North Korea was causing trouble all the time.

01:14:26.940 --> 01:14:31.440
<v Ivan>But what do you think? And they've been quiet for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:36.500
<v Ivan>You think he's going to start setting off things just because Trump is back? Yes!

01:14:37.240 --> 01:14:39.760
<v Sam>Okay. I'm going to say yes.

01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.380
<v Ivan>I'm going to say yes. I'll say no. I'll go yes.

01:14:42.740 --> 01:14:51.740
<v Sam>Okay. Next up. this is from ed will the u.s break ground on an asml or equivalent

01:14:51.740 --> 01:14:55.180
<v Sam>high-tech semiconductor factory and i will once again admit i don't know what

01:14:55.180 --> 01:14:56.720
<v Sam>that is what is that yvonne do you know.

01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:57.620
<v Ivan>I don't know.

01:14:57.620 --> 01:15:00.160
<v Sam>Let me look uh i don't.

01:15:00.160 --> 01:15:01.300
<v Ivan>Know i don't.

01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:02.280
<v Sam>Know i don't.

01:15:02.280 --> 01:15:03.380
<v Ivan>Know anything anymore.

01:15:04.280 --> 01:15:09.400
<v Sam>Asml is a dutch company and supplier oh yeah yeah they're.

01:15:09.400 --> 01:15:12.860
<v Ivan>The people that supply the super advanced stuff that they've been banned from

01:15:12.860 --> 01:15:13.960
<v Ivan>selling to China right now.

01:15:14.260 --> 01:15:18.520
<v Sam>Okay. Will the U.S. do that domestically?

01:15:19.550 --> 01:15:22.690
<v Ivan>Now, it's just, you know, it takes a long time.

01:15:22.910 --> 01:15:25.930
<v Sam>No, I don't know anything about this. So I'll agree with you. No.

01:15:27.030 --> 01:15:32.310
<v Sam>From me, will the U.S. relationship with China improve or get worse under Trump?

01:15:32.470 --> 01:15:33.970
<v Sam>It's not great right now.

01:15:33.970 --> 01:15:39.010
<v Ivan>But I think for some reason it might improve.

01:15:39.190 --> 01:15:47.990
<v Ivan>I don't know why all of a sudden she and Trump seem more willing to talk than in the past.

01:15:49.030 --> 01:15:50.390
<v Ivan>so i'm gonna say yes.

01:15:50.390 --> 01:15:54.790
<v Sam>He and trump invited him to the inauguration i think he said no but yeah but.

01:15:54.790 --> 01:15:56.910
<v Ivan>He i mean but yeah he went that far yeah.

01:15:56.910 --> 01:16:02.990
<v Sam>Well and yeah he'll he'll have him over for mar-a-lago they'll make some agreements

01:16:02.990 --> 01:16:05.970
<v Sam>and there you go and um and we'll all know.

01:16:05.970 --> 01:16:08.110
<v Ivan>Everything because all the phones will be intercepted,

01:16:11.670 --> 01:16:12.990
<v Ivan>i'll do it on his you know.

01:16:12.990 --> 01:16:17.210
<v Sam>I i'm gonna say i'm gonna

01:16:17.210 --> 01:16:20.010
<v Sam>say it's gonna be a mixed bag i think it's gonna be hard to say

01:16:20.010 --> 01:16:23.770
<v Sam>better or worse like some things will get better like i think trump's gonna

01:16:23.770 --> 01:16:30.290
<v Sam>be like an asshole on trade issues but maybe on other issues will be a little

01:16:30.290 --> 01:16:39.250
<v Sam>bit more flexible I think Trump will be less willing to confront China on some defense issues,

01:16:39.250 --> 01:16:44.610
<v Sam>but will be a hardliner on trade stuff. And so I'm going to say mixed bag.

01:16:44.870 --> 01:16:48.870
<v Sam>Is that a valid answer or do I need to say up or down?

01:16:49.870 --> 01:16:51.170
<v Ivan>That's a valid answer.

01:16:51.590 --> 01:16:56.110
<v Sam>Okay, then moving on. I think this is kind of implied by your answer,

01:16:56.250 --> 01:16:59.850
<v Sam>Yvonne, and probably by mine too. Will China invade Taiwan in 2021?

01:17:00.110 --> 01:17:00.870
<v Ivan>No, no.

01:17:01.110 --> 01:17:05.490
<v Sam>I'll agree, no. They may eventually, but I don't think it's yet.

01:17:05.890 --> 01:17:08.490
<v Ivan>I don't really think...

01:17:09.890 --> 01:17:10.470
<v Ivan>No.

01:17:10.670 --> 01:17:13.230
<v Sam>I think they looked at Ukraine and said no.

01:17:13.750 --> 01:17:14.330
<v Ivan>No, no.

01:17:14.770 --> 01:17:18.770
<v Sam>Okay. I had an if so, what would happen, but we both agree no,

01:17:18.770 --> 01:17:19.790
<v Sam>so I'm not going to ask that.

01:17:20.810 --> 01:17:26.350
<v Sam>Okay. Americas. This is from Bruce, and I'm going to say nothing on this one

01:17:26.350 --> 01:17:29.050
<v Sam>because I have no idea, but you and Bruce have been talking about this.

01:17:29.290 --> 01:17:34.350
<v Sam>So will Argentina's economy grow under, how do you say his name? Mila's reforms?

01:17:34.730 --> 01:17:35.030
<v Ivan>Mila.

01:17:35.670 --> 01:17:39.490
<v Sam>Mila. Mila. So I guess GDP.

01:17:39.890 --> 01:17:44.670
<v Sam>Argentina GDP up or down in 2025, I guess, is the way to make this specific.

01:17:45.970 --> 01:17:48.530
<v Ivan>That's a great question for next year.

01:17:52.390 --> 01:17:56.870
<v Ivan>They are going to grow because they just started growing. The thing is that

01:17:56.870 --> 01:18:02.290
<v Ivan>one of the things is that the economy really collapsed this year a lot.

01:18:02.590 --> 01:18:05.350
<v Sam>So you're down so much you almost have to go up.

01:18:05.590 --> 01:18:09.110
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's basically where it's at right now. Yes. so.

01:18:09.110 --> 01:18:10.110
<v Sam>Up in 2025.

01:18:10.110 --> 01:18:11.670
<v Ivan>Up in 2025 yes.

01:18:11.670 --> 01:18:18.890
<v Sam>Will it get back up to levels from before this guy took over.

01:18:18.890 --> 01:18:24.450
<v Ivan>No no no it will it will recover a little bit but no not not in 2025 not with

01:18:24.450 --> 01:18:27.570
<v Ivan>the forecast i've seen from everybody i've talked to now okay.

01:18:27.570 --> 01:18:35.250
<v Sam>Next up from ed will the u.s will the u.s annex panama or at least the canal.

01:18:35.810 --> 01:18:36.350
<v Ivan>No.

01:18:37.030 --> 01:18:42.290
<v Sam>I will agree. No. But I, what I will say though is all of this talk from Trump

01:18:42.290 --> 01:18:45.050
<v Sam>is not about really taking back control of the canal,

01:18:45.050 --> 01:18:54.030
<v Sam>but he will try to use this to pressure Panama to give some sort of deal to

01:18:54.030 --> 01:18:56.030
<v Sam>make things cheaper or something.

01:18:56.150 --> 01:19:01.150
<v Sam>He will try to get, he will try to extract something of value for this discussion

01:19:01.150 --> 01:19:05.130
<v Sam>and maybe he'll get something, but no, we're not taking over the damn canal.

01:19:06.070 --> 01:19:13.070
<v Sam>Okay. From me, will any government in North or South America have a non peaceful change of government?

01:19:13.890 --> 01:19:19.510
<v Ivan>Any government in North and South America. Well, we have one of those happened

01:19:19.510 --> 01:19:22.770
<v Ivan>this year where we have, well, we had the Syria thing.

01:19:23.450 --> 01:19:25.030
<v Ivan>Let's see. How do we go through.

01:19:25.030 --> 01:19:27.110
<v Sam>My Syria is not in North or South America.

01:19:27.290 --> 01:19:31.130
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no. I know. I know what I'm like trying to think this year.

01:19:31.250 --> 01:19:36.890
<v Ivan>Yeah. It was like, ah, you mean by cool?

01:19:38.120 --> 01:19:43.300
<v Sam>Well, I said non-peaceful. That generally implies coup, although I suppose invasion

01:19:43.300 --> 01:19:48.840
<v Sam>would also count, or you can figure out other non-violent.

01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.820
<v Ivan>I'm going to say no, because it's like either somebody's going to resign or

01:19:52.820 --> 01:19:54.800
<v Ivan>it's impeachment or something or whatever.

01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:57.240
<v Ivan>But no, no, not those ways.

01:19:57.380 --> 01:20:01.460
<v Sam>Because I said non-peaceful, so it implies some sort of violent change of power.

01:20:01.540 --> 01:20:02.980
<v Ivan>So no, no, no, no.

01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.200
<v Sam>Okay. I will agree. No.

01:20:09.260 --> 01:20:14.080
<v Sam>Also for me, just going through these places that Trump's been talking about,

01:20:14.320 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Sam>will Canada become the 51st state or otherwise join the U.S.?

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:18.980
<v Ivan>No.

01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:24.740
<v Sam>No. Obviously no. And frankly, if there ever was that kind of merger,

01:20:24.900 --> 01:20:25.960
<v Sam>it would not be one state.

01:20:26.120 --> 01:20:29.340
<v Sam>It would be each province would probably become a state. But no, no.

01:20:30.100 --> 01:20:34.940
<v Sam>Which would also probably shift the balance of power in the Senate in the favor

01:20:34.940 --> 01:20:37.260
<v Sam>of Democrats, by the way, if it ever was to happen.

01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:42.200
<v Sam>But no, no, it's not going to happen. Will Trump invade Mexico?

01:20:42.660 --> 01:20:44.560
<v Sam>They've also been talking about doing that.

01:20:45.020 --> 01:20:45.340
<v Ivan>No.

01:20:46.580 --> 01:20:49.860
<v Sam>Agreed. No. Will they invade Canada?

01:20:50.240 --> 01:20:50.760
<v Ivan>No.

01:20:51.080 --> 01:20:56.240
<v Sam>You know, maybe we don't need to take over all of Canada, but you know,

01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:58.660
<v Sam>I don't know. Maybe we want Baffin Island.

01:21:00.440 --> 01:21:00.960
<v Ivan>No.

01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:02.920
<v Sam>No, no. I agree.

01:21:04.280 --> 01:21:06.020
<v Ivan>Greenland? No.

01:21:06.020 --> 01:21:09.580
<v Sam>Well, that's next in the anywhere else category. Will we buy Greenland?

01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:11.560
<v Sam>John wants to know. No, we will not.

01:21:11.780 --> 01:21:15.800
<v Ivan>No, we will not buy Greenland. Look, I did say, look.

01:21:16.820 --> 01:21:21.200
<v Sam>The next question, will Trump trade Puerto Rico for Greenland?

01:21:21.830 --> 01:21:25.230
<v Ivan>I hope yes, but I don't think we're going to get that deal.

01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:31.210
<v Ivan>If I can get that deal, that deal would, listen, if I, all I'm hoping is look,

01:21:31.270 --> 01:21:38.170
<v Ivan>if, if, if I was born there and I can get Danish citizenship, I am fucking down.

01:21:38.810 --> 01:21:44.570
<v Ivan>I am down. Okay. Let's go to make, let's make the deal. I'm all for the deal.

01:21:45.470 --> 01:21:48.810
<v Sam>Yeah, I agree. No, none of these are going to happen.

01:21:48.810 --> 01:21:54.710
<v Sam>And I, same thing as I said with Panama, all of these things are just bluster

01:21:54.710 --> 01:22:00.070
<v Sam>to try to open conversations where Trump wants to extract something.

01:22:00.070 --> 01:22:03.790
<v Sam>He doesn't actually want, he doesn't actually think any of these things are

01:22:03.790 --> 01:22:10.750
<v Sam>actually going to happen, but he wants to like be belligerent and be pushy in

01:22:10.750 --> 01:22:13.470
<v Sam>the hopes that it helps him extract something else.

01:22:13.470 --> 01:22:16.310
<v Sam>you know like all of this talk

01:22:16.310 --> 01:22:19.150
<v Sam>about canada being the 51st state isn't about canada being

01:22:19.150 --> 01:22:22.270
<v Sam>the 51st state it's to be an asshole

01:22:22.270 --> 01:22:25.010
<v Sam>to what's his name trudeau is it

01:22:25.010 --> 01:22:31.670
<v Sam>trudeau yeah and and and to try to get trudeau to feel bad in some way that

01:22:31.670 --> 01:22:38.310
<v Sam>will make him try to appease trump in some way that that that's that's what

01:22:38.310 --> 01:22:42.310
<v Sam>all of this is about it's not about actually thinking that he's actually going

01:22:42.310 --> 01:22:43.510
<v Sam>to take over any of these,

01:22:43.650 --> 01:22:47.030
<v Sam>whether it's purchasing or invasion or whatever. It's no.

01:22:47.790 --> 01:22:54.510
<v Sam>Okay. Global. Will there be any new overt country versus country wars between UN member states?

01:22:54.630 --> 01:22:59.570
<v Sam>So I'm excluding things like Somaliland and Ethiopia, where there's a war been

01:22:59.570 --> 01:23:04.090
<v Sam>going on from there, but Somaliland's not recognized fully or whatever.

01:23:04.410 --> 01:23:09.710
<v Sam>Or is it now? I don't know. But I'm making it UN specified states specifically.

01:23:09.710 --> 01:23:12.650
<v Sam>So we're not talking about separatist movements that you could debate.

01:23:13.510 --> 01:23:14.070
<v Ivan>No.

01:23:15.270 --> 01:23:17.150
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm going to agree. No.

01:23:17.370 --> 01:23:22.290
<v Sam>And by the way, Somaliland is de facto unrecognized. So I was right there.

01:23:22.570 --> 01:23:27.190
<v Sam>I'll agree. No new overt country versus country wars of which Ukraine versus

01:23:27.190 --> 01:23:31.110
<v Sam>Russia is the one that's, you know, the big one right now.

01:23:31.530 --> 01:23:36.270
<v Sam>Okay. Any, will there be any, also for me, will there be any new civil wars

01:23:36.270 --> 01:23:40.570
<v Sam>that get enough news coverage that we talk about them on the show? I'm going to say no.

01:23:41.010 --> 01:23:41.510
<v Ivan>No.

01:23:41.510 --> 01:23:48.130
<v Sam>Because there may be new civil wars in some countries that don't get a lot of attention,

01:23:48.130 --> 01:23:53.810
<v Sam>but I don't think there'll be new civil wars anywhere that blow up massive enough

01:23:53.810 --> 01:23:58.310
<v Sam>and are important enough to U.S. interests that we end up talking about them.

01:23:58.610 --> 01:24:02.490
<v Sam>You know, there's civil wars all over the place all the time.

01:24:02.970 --> 01:24:07.330
<v Sam>I guess less than there were many years ago, but no.

01:24:07.890 --> 01:24:12.750
<v Sam>Okay. And that's the end of the next segment. See, it was about half the length of the last one.

01:24:12.910 --> 01:24:18.430
<v Sam>If each one is half the length of the one before, then does the arrow eventually get to the target?

01:24:18.610 --> 01:24:20.670
<v Sam>I mean, that's an old philosophical thing.

01:24:21.170 --> 01:24:26.450
<v Sam>Okay, we'll take the next break, and we will be right back with Economy. Back after this.

01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:33.450
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<v Sam>Okay, we are back. It is time for Economy. The first few are non-numeric.

01:26:13.820 --> 01:26:17.880
<v Sam>First from Bruce. will mergers ramp up under trump.

01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:24.940
<v Ivan>Oh yes i i think that definitely a lot of companies are salivating at the prospect

01:26:24.940 --> 01:26:30.900
<v Ivan>of having a trump presidency because they they they believe because there'll

01:26:30.900 --> 01:26:32.840
<v Ivan>be less antitrust action yeah.

01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:37.020
<v Sam>The the less anti-trust i have a specific question about antitrust later but

01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:41.240
<v Sam>also mergers like they've been getting lots of scrutiny and is this competitive

01:26:41.240 --> 01:26:45.500
<v Sam>is this not and blah blah blah and the the new administration clearly won't care.

01:26:45.500 --> 01:26:46.640
<v Ivan>So like.

01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:53.460
<v Sam>Yes i'll agree mergers up uh ed wants to know will we enter a recession by year's end.

01:26:53.460 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Ivan>Oh i don't

01:26:56.880 --> 01:27:00.100
<v Ivan>think there will be a recession in 2025 i think

01:27:00.100 --> 01:27:03.120
<v Ivan>that a lot of the actions that this administration is going

01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:07.460
<v Ivan>to try to do will be stimulative and

01:27:07.460 --> 01:27:10.700
<v Ivan>so with company balance

01:27:10.700 --> 01:27:14.440
<v Ivan>sheets and other things being pretty healthy whatever they're

01:27:14.440 --> 01:27:17.480
<v Ivan>going to do is going to be very stimulative to the economy

01:27:17.480 --> 01:27:22.600
<v Ivan>and there are other economies around the world right now that are looking towards

01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:29.280
<v Ivan>like stimulus right now china being uh one very specific example that is trying

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:35.220
<v Ivan>to to to to do that and that would benefit the U S and the EU as well.

01:27:35.900 --> 01:27:42.420
<v Ivan>So I, I don't, I think the conditions are, are, are positive for there not being a recession.

01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:47.880
<v Sam>Are, are these things that will have short-term upward, but long-term negative

01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:52.100
<v Sam>consequences? Like maybe they'll trigger a recession in 2026 or 27.

01:27:52.280 --> 01:27:53.400
<v Ivan>The things that, I mean.

01:27:53.400 --> 01:27:54.340
<v Sam>We're not making predictions.

01:27:54.940 --> 01:28:00.380
<v Ivan>Well, look, the thing is that any time that you get like a lot of deregulation,

01:28:00.380 --> 01:28:03.860
<v Ivan>and less scrutiny of financial industry.

01:28:03.860 --> 01:28:06.380
<v Sam>You get a short-term spike that eventually crashes.

01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:16.080
<v Ivan>That may not guarantee, but that does create the openings for these kind of significant, like,

01:28:16.770 --> 01:28:21.510
<v Ivan>issues that we've seen in decades past. Like we had the SNL crisis under the

01:28:21.510 --> 01:28:25.470
<v Ivan>Reagan administration or, or like, you know, the banking crisis that we had

01:28:25.470 --> 01:28:28.210
<v Ivan>from the HW administration and yet,

01:28:28.390 --> 01:28:33.370
<v Ivan>you know, the lack of oversight of wall street leverage that we had because of reduced regulation.

01:28:33.370 --> 01:28:39.630
<v Ivan>So you, this is the type of shit that really, you know, incentivizes that kind of shit.

01:28:39.630 --> 01:28:46.850
<v Sam>So I won't hold you to any predictions past 2025, but basically you're saying we'll get a nice,

01:28:47.270 --> 01:28:52.550
<v Sam>healthy, positive economic spike for the first few years, which will crash just

01:28:52.550 --> 01:28:56.710
<v Sam>in time for the next Democratic president to clean up the mess.

01:28:57.110 --> 01:28:59.750
<v Ivan>Basically, that's usually the way that these guys will operate.

01:29:01.030 --> 01:29:08.310
<v Sam>Okay. Next up on antitrust, specifically, will the efforts that have already

01:29:08.310 --> 01:29:12.890
<v Sam>started and are in progress under Biden, like there are a number of lawsuits

01:29:12.890 --> 01:29:15.570
<v Sam>going on and things like that, will they all be dropped?

01:29:16.130 --> 01:29:19.350
<v Ivan>I don't think all of them will be dropped because there is one thing.

01:29:19.710 --> 01:29:24.510
<v Ivan>This administration on one side also has a little bit of a war with the tech

01:29:24.510 --> 01:29:27.710
<v Ivan>people, and a lot of those actions are against tech companies.

01:29:27.730 --> 01:29:31.890
<v Ivan>So they'll probably be very happy and letting the tech companies get their...

01:29:34.630 --> 01:29:39.630
<v Ivan>get the Justice Department to keep, you know, being under their skin.

01:29:40.490 --> 01:29:45.170
<v Sam>So your answer, because there are a bunch of, and I don't have an inventory

01:29:45.170 --> 01:29:51.670
<v Sam>of them, but there are a bunch of antitrust efforts from the DOJ that are in progress right now.

01:29:51.830 --> 01:29:56.650
<v Sam>Your prediction is some of them, the Trump administration will cancel and some

01:29:56.650 --> 01:29:57.570
<v Sam>of them they'll keep going?

01:29:57.810 --> 01:30:04.110
<v Ivan>Yes, correct. They're not all going by the wayside. I think that the tech stuff,

01:30:04.210 --> 01:30:09.490
<v Ivan>they're going to want to needle the tech companies, because they've been out of history of that.

01:30:09.690 --> 01:30:14.210
<v Ivan>But I'll give you an example of one industry that has had terrible time of getting

01:30:14.210 --> 01:30:17.210
<v Ivan>mergers to get approved, that I think that they are salivating.

01:30:17.310 --> 01:30:21.390
<v Ivan>I know I've heard the executives already say they're salivating at the prospect

01:30:21.390 --> 01:30:24.110
<v Ivan>of a Trump admin, the airlines.

01:30:24.770 --> 01:30:27.870
<v Ivan>The airlines have been blocked on a whole bunch of mergers and a whole bunch

01:30:27.870 --> 01:30:33.730
<v Ivan>of things and competitive reasons like Spirited JetBlue, JetBlue with American

01:30:33.730 --> 01:30:35.770
<v Ivan>Airlines, just a whole bunch of them.

01:30:35.950 --> 01:30:40.190
<v Ivan>They are like right now salivating at the prospect of being able to get these

01:30:40.190 --> 01:30:43.810
<v Ivan>mergers to go through because they don't think the Trump administration is going to stop any of them.

01:30:44.310 --> 01:30:49.970
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. No, I will agree with you on the mixed result here and as for similar

01:30:49.970 --> 01:30:54.490
<v Sam>reasons, but basically fundamentally at the core level, just because Donald

01:30:54.490 --> 01:30:56.890
<v Sam>Trump is transactional on everything.

01:30:57.210 --> 01:31:04.070
<v Sam>He will make the decision on whether or not to release companies who are currently

01:31:04.070 --> 01:31:08.810
<v Sam>engaged in these battles with the DOJ based on what he personally can get out of it.

01:31:08.990 --> 01:31:11.970
<v Sam>And some of them, he will get things out of some of them, he will not.

01:31:12.110 --> 01:31:13.850
<v Sam>And that's how he'll make the calls.

01:31:14.090 --> 01:31:16.070
<v Sam>And so, So yes, mixed bag.

01:31:16.550 --> 01:31:22.110
<v Sam>Okay, next up, also for me, what will happen with all of Trump's tariff threats?

01:31:23.860 --> 01:31:27.140
<v Ivan>Look, it'll be a lot of like what happened the first time around.

01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:31.820
<v Ivan>These are all transactional things. And by the way, I've already heard,

01:31:32.080 --> 01:31:35.700
<v Ivan>you know, one thing I already heard, all the China tariffs,

01:31:36.440 --> 01:31:40.240
<v Ivan>Trump said what I heard, I can't remember if Trump said it, or I heard it say,

01:31:40.500 --> 01:31:45.800
<v Ivan>oh, but, but Apple, Apple's going to get, they're going to be exempt.

01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:56.000
<v Ivan>so once you start like what's that you know whoever he has in his favor or wants

01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.540
<v Ivan>to be the champion he's going to,

01:31:59.660 --> 01:32:02.180
<v Ivan>these tariffs will be like Swiss cheese it's.

01:32:02.180 --> 01:32:04.240
<v Sam>The same transactional stuff it's like.

01:32:04.240 --> 01:32:09.420
<v Ivan>Who is giving him what is he getting out of it there were a ton of exemptions

01:32:09.420 --> 01:32:14.420
<v Ivan>that got through the last time and I remember that when I was I was working at Kodak,

01:32:14.980 --> 01:32:17.960
<v Ivan>specifically the tariffs targeted a specific

01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:21.100
<v Ivan>type of aluminum that that that kodak

01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:24.000
<v Ivan>needed to import from china they couldn't really procure from anywhere

01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:27.620
<v Ivan>else there was just no alternate sourcing and

01:32:27.620 --> 01:32:33.280
<v Ivan>we didn't have the juice with the trump administration really to get anything

01:32:33.280 --> 01:32:38.160
<v Ivan>like done and they never lifted that tariff i know that you know all of a sudden

01:32:38.160 --> 01:32:42.380
<v Ivan>later that stupid deal came out with peter Navarro announced like that loan

01:32:42.380 --> 01:32:45.540
<v Ivan>that made the stock like soar and crash and everybody went crazy.

01:32:45.540 --> 01:32:49.360
<v Ivan>It's like the hell we were doing or whatever. But that was...

01:32:50.400 --> 01:32:55.940
<v Ivan>You know what? The thing is that I looked at the way that was worked through.

01:32:56.280 --> 01:32:59.500
<v Ivan>It wasn't with juice with the Trump administration. It's more the state of New

01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:02.080
<v Ivan>York had helped and empire.

01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:09.940
<v Ivan>There is this empire economic whatever development agency, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:10.060 --> 01:33:12.620
<v Ivan>And all these people, they were the ones that really had the juice.

01:33:12.620 --> 01:33:15.760
<v Ivan>But it wasn't because the company had juice with the Trump administration.

01:33:16.020 --> 01:33:19.360
<v Ivan>If they did, they would. The first thing they want to lift that tariff and we

01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:21.100
<v Ivan>didn't have the juice, but other companies did.

01:33:21.220 --> 01:33:25.240
<v Ivan>And they got if you look at the exemption applications, if you were really,

01:33:25.240 --> 01:33:31.080
<v Ivan>you know, in, you know, attached to the hip with with the with with Trump and

01:33:31.080 --> 01:33:33.380
<v Ivan>MAGA, you got those. No problem.

01:33:33.700 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Ivan>You got your exemptions. And I expect nothing different this time.

01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:43.060
<v Sam>So all over the place on an individual thing by individual thing basis,

01:33:43.700 --> 01:33:49.340
<v Sam>not any, we won't actually get these global, like we're putting 20% tariff on the entire world.

01:33:49.340 --> 01:33:53.420
<v Ivan>Let me put it this way. Headline right now on Bloomberg, Trump's tariff threats

01:33:53.420 --> 01:33:55.940
<v Ivan>are setting off a global supply chain freak out.

01:33:57.620 --> 01:34:00.480
<v Sam>Okay. Well, let me ask.

01:34:00.500 --> 01:34:03.180
<v Ivan>Always words that you want to hear, you know.

01:34:04.040 --> 01:34:08.040
<v Sam>Yeah. So I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll first of all agree. It's all going to be transactional.

01:34:08.220 --> 01:34:10.740
<v Sam>It's going to be tons of exemptions, all that stuff. I agree with you fully.

01:34:11.400 --> 01:34:18.060
<v Sam>Will, will enough happen with increased tariffs so that the average American

01:34:18.060 --> 01:34:20.480
<v Sam>consumer notices a difference on anything?

01:34:21.060 --> 01:34:26.120
<v Ivan>No, no, no. Here's a note that you said notice.

01:34:26.660 --> 01:34:29.680
<v Ivan>Yeah. Problem is that notice people.

01:34:30.400 --> 01:34:30.580
<v Sam>Yes.

01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:31.260
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:33.420
<v Ivan>That's the problem.

01:34:33.780 --> 01:34:37.060
<v Sam>Like, even if there's a price increase on something, they won't necessarily

01:34:37.060 --> 01:34:38.720
<v Sam>tie it back to the tariffs.

01:34:38.740 --> 01:34:42.520
<v Ivan>They notice gas. They notice, like, their burgers.

01:34:43.380 --> 01:34:50.120
<v Ivan>They notice, like, you know, I guess, and whatever the right-wing media,

01:34:50.140 --> 01:34:51.460
<v Ivan>like, you know, tells them.

01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.240
<v Sam>And Apple will get an exemption, so iPhones will cost the same.

01:34:54.280 --> 01:34:57.680
<v Ivan>So iPhones will cost the same. Right. Oh, you know.

01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:04.920
<v Sam>So, will there be any significant new manufacturing in the U.S.

01:35:05.080 --> 01:35:06.720
<v Sam>caused by tariffs elsewhere?

01:35:07.020 --> 01:35:10.460
<v Sam>Like, that's the whole theoretic point of these things, right?

01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:18.860
<v Ivan>Look, there's already been a big supply chain reallocation that had begun in

01:35:18.860 --> 01:35:26.380
<v Ivan>years past, coming from not just the tariffs, but the pandemic and the Inflation Reduction Act.

01:35:26.380 --> 01:35:29.300
<v Ivan>I you know that that has been

01:35:29.300 --> 01:35:36.940
<v Ivan>happening and so I don't really think that there is anything significant that

01:35:36.940 --> 01:35:45.820
<v Ivan>the administration could do that will move a something you know that has any

01:35:45.820 --> 01:35:47.760
<v Ivan>significant effect okay.

01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:51.560
<v Sam>I'll just agree with you because I don't know enough to say anything else.

01:35:51.740 --> 01:35:53.640
<v Sam>Okay. That's it for the non-numeric stuff.

01:35:54.360 --> 01:35:56.800
<v Sam>Numeric ones, we have a bunch of requests.

01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.820
<v Sam>Now, in some years in the past, I have given specific ranges.

01:36:02.980 --> 01:36:06.420
<v Sam>I have not done any of that prep this year. I didn't last year either.

01:36:06.580 --> 01:36:08.480
<v Sam>Last year, I shifted to just up or down.

01:36:09.020 --> 01:36:14.020
<v Sam>Just up or down. So, Yvonne, on these, feel free to be as specific as you want

01:36:14.020 --> 01:36:16.260
<v Sam>or join me in just up or down.

01:36:16.580 --> 01:36:22.680
<v Sam>So Bruce asks for inflation, presumably US inflation he's asking about. I will say it will be up.

01:36:23.540 --> 01:36:25.340
<v Ivan>I will say it will be up.

01:36:26.040 --> 01:36:28.540
<v Sam>Okay. Unemployment.

01:36:29.160 --> 01:36:29.720
<v Ivan>Up.

01:36:30.140 --> 01:36:36.100
<v Sam>I will agree. Up. Now, John specifically, both of those were Bruce.

01:36:36.280 --> 01:36:41.700
<v Sam>John wants to know what Apple's stock price will be on December 1st, 2025.

01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:43.080
<v Ivan>Up.

01:36:43.700 --> 01:36:47.620
<v Sam>Yeah, I'm not giving a number either. I will say up year over year.

01:36:47.620 --> 01:36:51.820
<v Ivan>I like your new plan. I like this up or down. Go up. Yes.

01:36:53.340 --> 01:37:01.740
<v Sam>Bruce wants to know the dow up up up bruce wants to know bitcoin up i'm gonna

01:37:01.740 --> 01:37:03.220
<v Sam>go down with bitcoin this you.

01:37:03.220 --> 01:37:04.360
<v Ivan>Go down oh.

01:37:04.360 --> 01:37:08.220
<v Sam>Like it had a good run on

01:37:08.220 --> 01:37:11.180
<v Sam>the news that trump won i think

01:37:11.180 --> 01:37:14.100
<v Sam>most of the people will take the profits

01:37:14.100 --> 01:37:17.200
<v Sam>out of that and it's gonna it's gonna

01:37:17.200 --> 01:37:21.200
<v Sam>have another down cycle uh before it goes up again you know i could be wrong

01:37:21.200 --> 01:37:29.240
<v Sam>you know yeah i'm going on up you're going on up yep okay now for me also an

01:37:29.240 --> 01:37:35.560
<v Sam>up or down kind of thing a numeric thing price of eggs up up,

01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:40.980
<v Sam>price of oil down.

01:37:40.980 --> 01:37:42.660
<v Ivan>You know why.

01:37:42.660 --> 01:37:46.980
<v Sam>I do do we need to specify which price of oil because there are several brent uh.

01:37:46.980 --> 01:37:49.780
<v Ivan>We'll use uh we'll use texas intermediate.

01:37:49.780 --> 01:37:54.280
<v Sam>Okay all right texas intermediate okay fine yeah and we'll go down because because

01:37:54.280 --> 01:37:57.660
<v Sam>it's all supply and demand and i think that whatever he's.

01:37:57.660 --> 01:37:58.560
<v Ivan>Going to do is to increase.

01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:02.780
<v Sam>Supply so therefore price will go down but

01:38:02.780 --> 01:38:06.080
<v Sam>but at the same time he's like going

01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:12.180
<v Sam>to be anti-electrification and pro-fossil fuel and stuff so maybe he'd increase

01:38:12.180 --> 01:38:17.840
<v Sam>demand as well by like but but but you know take out the subsidies for the electric

01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:25.680
<v Sam>cars and blah blah blah and no more yeah it's the same time because they kill birds but at.

01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:28.660
<v Ivan>The same time the chinese are ramping up electric car production.

01:38:28.660 --> 01:38:29.720
<v Sam>Like crazy.

01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:33.480
<v Ivan>So it doesn't really matter what the fuck he decides to do with it it's the

01:38:33.480 --> 01:38:37.940
<v Ivan>rest of the world and so i i say supply up with so many electric cars being

01:38:37.940 --> 01:38:40.360
<v Ivan>pumped out like crazy it's going to go down.

01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:47.500
<v Sam>I'll say up just to be contrarian to you Okay Your argument sounds reasonable

01:38:47.500 --> 01:38:51.040
<v Sam>though GDP growth in the U.S.

01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:55.720
<v Ivan>I think it will be up. That's what's going to cause the inflation and the other things.

01:38:56.040 --> 01:38:56.900
<v Sam>Just to be clear.

01:38:57.040 --> 01:38:58.840
<v Ivan>The unemployment rate, by the way.

01:38:59.060 --> 01:39:03.520
<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait. The unemployment rate. Hold on. I just want to be clear mathematically.

01:39:04.200 --> 01:39:09.020
<v Sam>We're talking about an increase in the rate of growth, not an increase in GDP.

01:39:09.360 --> 01:39:13.840
<v Ivan>Correct. We're talking that the GDP growth rate, if this year ends at 3%,

01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.840
<v Ivan>say a number, next year will be 3.5.

01:39:17.060 --> 01:39:19.640
<v Ivan>And I think that's why I think inflation will be up.

01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:22.300
<v Sam>Are we talking full year, Q3? what are we talking about?

01:39:22.820 --> 01:39:25.200
<v Ivan>The full year. Whatever we can measure.

01:39:25.200 --> 01:39:28.640
<v Sam>Whatever the most recent number we can get a hands-on in January.

01:39:29.200 --> 01:39:34.520
<v Ivan>Right. And so I think that, and that's what's going to push some more inflation.

01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:38.740
<v Ivan>And by the way, unemployment, it's not that maybe there'll be less people employed,

01:39:38.900 --> 01:39:42.080
<v Ivan>but participation rates go up and participation rates go up.

01:39:42.200 --> 01:39:43.760
<v Ivan>More people are looking for work.

01:39:44.180 --> 01:39:49.620
<v Ivan>The workforce grows. It does grow the unemployment as well. So those are my

01:39:49.620 --> 01:39:51.460
<v Ivan>arguments in 2025 with that stuff.

01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:56.160
<v Sam>Okay, and that's it for economy. So we're going to take another break and come

01:39:56.160 --> 01:39:59.520
<v Sam>back for technology. See, that was faster. It wasn't quite half, but close.

01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:05.540
<v Sam>Okay, here, next break, and then we'll do the technology. Back after this.

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<v Sam>Okay, here we are again, and it's time for technology. And nice,

01:41:14.330 --> 01:41:17.110
<v Sam>like, segue from what we were talking about before.

01:41:17.450 --> 01:41:21.330
<v Sam>First question in the energy section here is from Ed.

01:41:21.330 --> 01:41:26.170
<v Sam>what percentage of new vehicles will be electric or hybrid by the end of new

01:41:26.170 --> 01:41:30.670
<v Sam>by the end of the year i presume he means new sales or something like that as

01:41:30.670 --> 01:41:35.710
<v Sam>opposed to percentage on the road or manufactured or whatever new sales.

01:41:35.710 --> 01:41:40.350
<v Ivan>I don't even know what number now he doesn't say you.

01:41:40.350 --> 01:41:41.150
<v Sam>Can call it us.

01:41:41.150 --> 01:41:46.290
<v Ivan>Whatever you prefer you pick pick us.

01:41:46.290 --> 01:41:47.110
<v Sam>Whatever you think.

01:41:47.110 --> 01:41:51.390
<v Ivan>Uh i'm gonna look up the chart.

01:41:51.390 --> 01:41:56.970
<v Sam>I will i will say it will be up well no even like if they're taking away subsidies

01:41:56.970 --> 01:42:00.450
<v Sam>and stuff it might be down year over year percentage of new sales.

01:42:00.450 --> 01:42:06.230
<v Ivan>By the way in in globally okay globally yeah it's amazing number right i realized

01:42:06.230 --> 01:42:12.670
<v Ivan>wow uh electric vehicles uh accounted for 18 of all car sales globally in 2023

01:42:12.670 --> 01:42:18.750
<v Ivan>up from 4 in 2020 so it's it's this is the reason why i was about that's 2023.

01:42:18.750 --> 01:42:20.390
<v Sam>2024 is higher and i just.

01:42:20.390 --> 01:42:21.390
<v Ivan>Saw a headline i think.

01:42:21.390 --> 01:42:23.070
<v Sam>In china it's approaching 50.

01:42:23.070 --> 01:42:25.910
<v Ivan>Yes yes yes that's why i'm saying

01:42:25.910 --> 01:42:28.790
<v Ivan>that this whole thing you know it doesn't really matter what the

01:42:28.790 --> 01:42:31.890
<v Ivan>you know what what the hell he's trying to do you can't

01:42:31.890 --> 01:42:35.310
<v Ivan>you know you can't unscrew the this so uh

01:42:35.310 --> 01:42:41.370
<v Ivan>let's see uh we are

01:42:41.370 --> 01:42:46.110
<v Ivan>10 29 13.2 saying

01:42:46.110 --> 01:42:50.110
<v Ivan>that this flattened well

01:42:50.110 --> 01:42:54.470
<v Ivan>can i say just that the market share that the global percentage will be up from

01:42:54.470 --> 01:42:58.750
<v Ivan>this number that we've got here which is the electric vehicle markets market

01:42:58.750 --> 01:43:03.990
<v Ivan>share worldwide 2014 we've only got them up to 2023 we We don't have good 2024

01:43:03.990 --> 01:43:07.650
<v Ivan>data for the prediction right now.

01:43:07.870 --> 01:43:13.130
<v Ivan>But we will have a tough call, tough to predict.

01:43:13.270 --> 01:43:16.410
<v Ivan>We don't have a good 2024 read right now.

01:43:18.020 --> 01:43:20.380
<v Ivan>go off on uh.

01:43:20.380 --> 01:43:24.140
<v Sam>So let's make this more narrow let's

01:43:24.140 --> 01:43:32.760
<v Sam>talk us only and let's talk i don't know okay us you us only do we think do

01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:38.900
<v Sam>we think the trump administration will have a negative effect on electric and

01:43:38.900 --> 01:43:41.800
<v Sam>hybrid sales over the course of 2025,

01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:49.080
<v Sam>I mean, on the one hand, he's said all kinds of things about not,

01:43:49.080 --> 01:43:53.580
<v Sam>not liking alternative energy energies and being pro fossil fuel.

01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:58.760
<v Sam>On the other hand, presumably, you know, he wants to help his best friend, Elon with Tesla.

01:43:59.580 --> 01:44:01.220
<v Ivan>Right. That's the thing, right?

01:44:02.220 --> 01:44:06.240
<v Sam>Although we've heard like Elon's been talking about, he doesn't want the subsidy

01:44:06.240 --> 01:44:08.020
<v Sam>anymore. He wants to get rid of it himself.

01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.420
<v Sam>Even though you've said multiple times on here, it's going to cost him money.

01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.600
<v Ivan>I've said it's it's a fact it's not like you know it's not.

01:44:18.140 --> 01:44:23.900
<v Sam>I'm gonna say it will have a negative effect and electric and and hybrid sales

01:44:23.900 --> 01:44:26.220
<v Sam>will go down as a percentage they also.

01:44:26.220 --> 01:44:28.720
<v Ivan>Will probably be closer to flat because of.

01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:30.820
<v Sam>Flat okay yeah yeah they'll.

01:44:30.820 --> 01:44:33.380
<v Ivan>Be flat because because of the policy changes.

01:44:33.380 --> 01:44:40.000
<v Sam>As a percentage as a percentage yes correct yeah i mean right now i'll go ahead

01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:44.260
<v Sam>and say actually down like and and what what's flat to you plus or minus what

01:44:44.260 --> 01:44:46.660
<v Sam>five percent ten percent i.

01:44:46.660 --> 01:44:50.760
<v Ivan>Mean i'm gonna say that the the share of the total sales is gonna be plus minus one percent.

01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:53.860
<v Sam>Plus or minus one percent from where it is now okay i

01:44:53.860 --> 01:44:57.040
<v Sam>will say it will be down more than one percent year

01:44:57.040 --> 01:45:00.580
<v Sam>over year with whatever the best numbers we can find when

01:45:00.580 --> 01:45:04.220
<v Sam>we evaluate this because i'm not sure when that will be but because

01:45:04.220 --> 01:45:07.200
<v Sam>you're having trouble finding recent numbers right yeah so yeah

01:45:07.200 --> 01:45:10.400
<v Sam>yeah okay did it

01:45:10.400 --> 01:45:13.360
<v Sam>uh ed's next question is

01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:18.160
<v Sam>sort of the flip side of that will gasoline sales in the u.s decrease by how

01:45:18.160 --> 01:45:23.260
<v Sam>much i presume if we're talking about percentage on electric this only makes

01:45:23.260 --> 01:45:28.780
<v Sam>sense as a separate question if he's talking absolute numbers okay i don't know

01:45:28.780 --> 01:45:31.160
<v Sam>okay there is data on that hold.

01:45:31.160 --> 01:45:33.040
<v Ivan>On okay,

01:45:37.620 --> 01:45:43.900
<v Ivan>kick up i got a hiccup okay monthly gasoline consumption the u.s 2022 20 oh you're actually.

01:45:43.900 --> 01:45:47.120
<v Sam>Interpreting as gasoline itself not gasoline cars will.

01:45:47.120 --> 01:45:51.180
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah no so let's look at gas consumption which i think okay is will it

01:45:51.180 --> 01:45:58.280
<v Ivan>go down in 2025 well that makes sense the answer is 2025 from 2024 i'm gonna

01:45:58.280 --> 01:46:01.800
<v Ivan>say the answer is yes it's been going down like literally like almost.

01:46:03.250 --> 01:46:06.670
<v Sam>It went down during the pandemic, then back up a little bit.

01:46:06.750 --> 01:46:11.010
<v Ivan>It backed up, but then it's been, let's see.

01:46:11.330 --> 01:46:16.410
<v Ivan>We got here, this is barrels per day.

01:46:17.630 --> 01:46:25.870
<v Ivan>It is 9.2926. I'm comparing December 24, 24, 8.62.

01:46:26.790 --> 01:46:29.650
<v Ivan>It's been about flat this year to last year.

01:46:30.050 --> 01:46:31.310
<v Sam>But you're going to stay down?

01:46:31.310 --> 01:46:37.530
<v Ivan>Yeah it it i think it's because the economy's growing it'll probably just remain

01:46:37.530 --> 01:46:41.110
<v Ivan>flat it won't go down it's what we've had is yeah you're.

01:46:41.110 --> 01:46:43.270
<v Sam>Once again plus or minus one percent for flat.

01:46:43.270 --> 01:46:48.510
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah because it's been basically that way between 2023 and 2024 as well.

01:46:50.510 --> 01:46:54.830
<v Sam>This time i'll say up that'll be consistent with my down for the other one.

01:46:54.830 --> 01:46:56.270
<v Ivan>But okay yeah.

01:46:56.270 --> 01:47:01.970
<v Sam>Because yeah i'll say i'll say up okay from me what will happen with tesla as

01:47:01.970 --> 01:47:07.670
<v Sam>a company over 2025 doing well doing badly like what.

01:47:07.670 --> 01:47:11.130
<v Ivan>You've got a number of factors they're gonna got the general election.

01:47:11.130 --> 01:47:13.210
<v Sam>You've got the general electro car.

01:47:13.210 --> 01:47:16.870
<v Ivan>Situation you've got the elon situation they have created for themselves is

01:47:16.870 --> 01:47:20.630
<v Ivan>for them to be doing worse this year than that next year than this year i mean

01:47:20.630 --> 01:47:24.090
<v Ivan>there is no scenario under which he is,

01:47:26.340 --> 01:47:27.240
<v Ivan>there are,

01:47:29.260 --> 01:47:36.000
<v Ivan>so many things that he has done to spite himself in this where cars are getting

01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.000
<v Ivan>old, models are getting old, which is a problem.

01:47:39.340 --> 01:47:45.800
<v Ivan>Okay, versus competition that's unleashing a number of new and just totally new models.

01:47:46.140 --> 01:47:51.260
<v Ivan>And so that's a problem. And then he's got a situation where he's pissed off so many fucking people.

01:47:51.400 --> 01:47:53.720
<v Ivan>They don't want to buy the fucking cars in the first place just because he's

01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:55.640
<v Ivan>a guy who fucking owns the company.

01:47:55.740 --> 01:47:58.980
<v Ivan>just had a conversation about this yesterday because he's an asshole yeah it's

01:47:58.980 --> 01:48:02.180
<v Ivan>just ridiculous people are like yeah i would love to buy the car but he isn't

01:48:02.180 --> 01:48:08.660
<v Ivan>it's run by an asshole it's just so stupid and look if he fucking ends the subsidy

01:48:08.660 --> 01:48:12.200
<v Ivan>he is the number one beneficiary of this bar none,

01:48:13.120 --> 01:48:16.020
<v Ivan>and so they're going to be doing worse i mean they're going to have to raise

01:48:16.020 --> 01:48:17.900
<v Ivan>prices in order are you going to just judge that.

01:48:17.900 --> 01:48:21.240
<v Sam>Are you just going to judge that by the stock price stock price down year over

01:48:21.240 --> 01:48:24.360
<v Sam>year or do you have another way to judge it that you want to.

01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:26.500
<v Ivan>Well, just on revenue and profits.

01:48:26.980 --> 01:48:31.540
<v Sam>Okay. So you're saying revenue down, profits down, stock price down all three.

01:48:31.700 --> 01:48:34.600
<v Ivan>I don't know. I can't say about the stock price because you know what?

01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:37.300
<v Ivan>They've done like shit this year. The stock is up.

01:48:37.700 --> 01:48:40.420
<v Sam>Okay. So revenue and profits down.

01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:40.980
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:48:41.460 --> 01:48:46.240
<v Sam>Okay. I'll go ahead and do the stock version. I'll say stock down.

01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:49.240
<v Sam>Like you can only surf on that kind of thing so long.

01:48:49.700 --> 01:48:55.120
<v Sam>Oh yeah. Yeah, I'll add that to the social media section, actually.

01:48:57.020 --> 01:49:00.880
<v Sam>Okay, this relates to what we just said. Will any of the incentives for energy

01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:02.820
<v Sam>transition passed under Biden be reversed?

01:49:03.120 --> 01:49:09.360
<v Sam>So not just the car subsidy, but all of the other stuff that was in that package.

01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:16.600
<v Ivan>I'm not sure. You know what? I'm going to say no. I'm going to tell you why.

01:49:17.480 --> 01:49:20.580
<v Ivan>Okay. because they're making so many red districts

01:49:20.580 --> 01:49:23.280
<v Ivan>got money off of this shit and they're making jobs out of

01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:26.400
<v Ivan>them that i think a whole bunch of the congressmen are going to be they're going

01:49:26.400 --> 01:49:29.560
<v Ivan>to go this is going to be part of they're going to do this they're going to

01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:35.260
<v Ivan>be doing a part of the tax they'll take credit for it yes so in the end they'll

01:49:35.260 --> 01:49:39.600
<v Ivan>just be like now that it's a don't make it into their idea and then whatever

01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:41.180
<v Ivan>then you know it's just don't.

01:49:41.180 --> 01:49:44.540
<v Sam>It's just like all these republican congress people going around the country

01:49:44.540 --> 01:49:48.140
<v Sam>for the ribbon cuttings for projects that they voted against.

01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:57.080
<v Sam>Yes, the Trump administration will absolutely take credit for all of that energy

01:49:57.080 --> 01:50:00.220
<v Sam>transition stuff that the Biden administration does.

01:50:00.420 --> 01:50:02.500
<v Sam>And for that matter, all the infrastructure stuff too.

01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:03.780
<v Ivan>All the infrastructure stuff.

01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:08.300
<v Sam>Buttigieg was on TV talking about that the other day where somebody asked him,

01:50:08.400 --> 01:50:11.340
<v Sam>is the Trump administration going to take credit for the things you've done?

01:50:11.420 --> 01:50:12.680
<v Sam>And he's like, absolutely they will.

01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:16.040
<v Sam>We've lined up projects going out years.

01:50:17.140 --> 01:50:19.960
<v Sam>due to what we've done, and of course they're going to take credit for it.

01:50:20.020 --> 01:50:21.180
<v Ivan>Yes, 100%.

01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:22.140
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:50:22.890 --> 01:50:31.550
<v Sam>Okay, next up, will the global amount of carbon burned annually go down year

01:50:31.550 --> 01:50:34.770
<v Sam>over year rather than up year over year? This is for me.

01:50:35.170 --> 01:50:36.810
<v Ivan>It's not going down next year.

01:50:37.130 --> 01:50:40.290
<v Sam>It's not going down next year. We're nowhere close. No.

01:50:40.550 --> 01:50:43.670
<v Sam>We need it to be going down, but it's not going down.

01:50:43.850 --> 01:50:49.450
<v Sam>It's not going down. We're still fighting to make the rate of increase start going down.

01:50:49.730 --> 01:50:52.750
<v Sam>We're not at going down. now.

01:50:52.750 --> 01:50:56.470
<v Ivan>I mean the rate of increase has started going down but it's not enough.

01:50:56.470 --> 01:50:59.170
<v Sam>Yeah it started we're fighting to do

01:50:59.170 --> 01:51:01.850
<v Sam>that it's fighting to make it go down a little bit the

01:51:01.850 --> 01:51:06.550
<v Sam>rate we're fighting to decrease the rate of increase we are not even remotely

01:51:06.550 --> 01:51:12.450
<v Sam>close to having the underlying number actually go down you know and along the

01:51:12.450 --> 01:51:16.530
<v Sam>same lines will global co2 levels continue to increase of course those are directly

01:51:16.530 --> 01:51:20.170
<v Sam>tied to each other so yes and there's even a delay there.

01:51:20.350 --> 01:51:26.350
<v Sam>Like if we stopped all burning of carbon tomorrow, the global CO2 levels would

01:51:26.350 --> 01:51:27.950
<v Sam>continue to increase for a number of years.

01:51:28.450 --> 01:51:32.930
<v Ivan>IEA basically said emissions grew in 2023, but clean energy is limiting the

01:51:32.930 --> 01:51:35.610
<v Ivan>growth, limiting the growth. That's, that's where we're at.

01:51:35.690 --> 01:51:41.430
<v Sam>Right. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're slowing down growth, but we are not declining

01:51:41.430 --> 01:51:43.470
<v Sam>and we need to be declining.

01:51:43.790 --> 01:51:49.890
<v Sam>We're not there yet okay and this ties to the number you just pulled out will

01:51:49.890 --> 01:51:56.310
<v Sam>the global percentage of non-carbon energy use continue to increase i think yes.

01:51:56.310 --> 01:51:59.150
<v Ivan>It's it's it's it's soaring yes.

01:51:59.150 --> 01:52:05.170
<v Sam>Yes continues so yeah yeah the key there is it's it's increasing as a percentage

01:52:05.170 --> 01:52:13.170
<v Sam>but the total is also increasing which is why you see the carbon levels still increasing Okay.

01:52:13.310 --> 01:52:15.470
<v Sam>Will we see an increase in nuclear as part of that?

01:52:16.170 --> 01:52:16.390
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:52:16.890 --> 01:52:21.730
<v Sam>I'll agree. Yes. So just to be clear, I agreed on the last couple. Okay.

01:52:22.690 --> 01:52:29.130
<v Sam>Transportation from Bruce. Will a starship or super heavy get successfully reused

01:52:29.130 --> 01:52:30.230
<v Sam>at some point in the year?

01:52:31.110 --> 01:52:32.910
<v Ivan>No, not in 2025.

01:52:33.750 --> 01:52:41.830
<v Sam>I will agree. Any other major developments in human space travel in 2025?

01:52:42.590 --> 01:52:44.770
<v Sam>I'm going to say no.

01:52:45.690 --> 01:52:48.990
<v Sam>We're pretty, there are some things on the horizon.

01:52:49.010 --> 01:52:52.690
<v Sam>We've got the new moon mission, but it's not going to happen in 2025.

01:52:52.690 --> 01:52:56.950
<v Sam>We've got a new space station planned, but it's not going to happen in 2025.

01:52:57.610 --> 01:53:02.450
<v Sam>you know are there going to be incremental improvements to these rockets as

01:53:02.450 --> 01:53:06.690
<v Sam>spacex keeps working on them yeah but i'm not going to call that major because

01:53:06.690 --> 01:53:10.290
<v Sam>we're not going to have the the next big milestone in 2025 it's.

01:53:10.290 --> 01:53:11.470
<v Ivan>Just as a as a day.

01:53:11.470 --> 01:53:14.930
<v Sam>And i guess negative things could be could be major developments too i'm not

01:53:14.930 --> 01:53:17.470
<v Sam>going to predict one of those on the u.s.

01:53:17.470 --> 01:53:20.510
<v Ivan>Co2 emissions front i found what u.s.

01:53:20.510 --> 01:53:23.070
<v Sam>Specifically not global u.s.

01:53:23.070 --> 01:53:26.570
<v Ivan>Global emissions to co2 have dropped the wait u.s.

01:53:26.570 --> 01:53:27.470
<v Sam>Or global u.s.

01:53:27.470 --> 01:53:33.230
<v Ivan>U.s u.s at the point of u.s globally never growing but u.s global co2 emissions

01:53:33.230 --> 01:53:39.270
<v Ivan>have dropped about what's this uh it's close to like close to when you mean u.s.

01:53:39.270 --> 01:53:43.510
<v Sam>2002 u.s total you keep saying u.s global no u.s.

01:53:43.510 --> 01:53:51.190
<v Ivan>Total total emissions have two emissions have gone down almost 20 since 2010

01:53:51.190 --> 01:53:56.050
<v Ivan>right but the problem is that others have been growing so quickly that it's

01:53:56.050 --> 01:54:01.090
<v Ivan>you know yeah it doesn't matter even though we've actually shrunk.

01:54:01.090 --> 01:54:05.930
<v Sam>Well i wouldn't say it doesn't matter it's one of the things that helps reduce the rate of growth.

01:54:05.930 --> 01:54:09.950
<v Ivan>But again but we are also we need we need the whole world to be going down right

01:54:09.950 --> 01:54:12.730
<v Ivan>yeah exactly so yeah okay.

01:54:12.730 --> 01:54:17.950
<v Sam>Next up any major new milestones and self-driving technology from sam for.

01:54:17.950 --> 01:54:20.710
<v Ivan>Me no you're kidding well.

01:54:20.710 --> 01:54:25.670
<v Sam>Let let let me say like yeah we we've had the elon stuff but like we've had

01:54:25.670 --> 01:54:26.870
<v Sam>a significant additional.

01:54:26.870 --> 01:54:30.010
<v Ivan>Expansion of the robo taxes and stuff yeah yeah

01:54:30.010 --> 01:54:35.430
<v Ivan>yeah from like those folks yeah yeah yeah but that's not that's not an advancement

01:54:35.430 --> 01:54:38.850
<v Ivan>that that technology we already know works we know how it works and maybe putting

01:54:38.850 --> 01:54:44.490
<v Ivan>it in more cities but it works the way it works okay which is you know it has

01:54:44.490 --> 01:54:48.450
<v Ivan>a certain number of limitations it's not you know it really has better.

01:54:48.450 --> 01:54:50.450
<v Sam>Than tesla's way of doing it but yeah.

01:54:50.450 --> 01:54:53.190
<v Ivan>It it's it's way better than tesla's way of

01:54:53.190 --> 01:54:56.170
<v Ivan>doing it in the sense that where it's going to where

01:54:56.170 --> 01:54:59.230
<v Ivan>it is geofenced to go it knows

01:54:59.230 --> 01:55:05.850
<v Ivan>how to do it okay very well that that's the main thing the reality is that but

01:55:05.850 --> 01:55:10.250
<v Ivan>at the same time it it's it's not that you could just drop it anywhere that

01:55:10.250 --> 01:55:18.830
<v Ivan>you want and say hey go drive and no it won't do that so given the limitations so to me listen.

01:55:19.620 --> 01:55:27.500
<v Sam>So to you, a major new milestone doesn't include just expanding the area in

01:55:27.500 --> 01:55:28.780
<v Sam>which you're doing something. You have to.

01:55:28.780 --> 01:55:34.460
<v Ivan>Have a fundamental solution to make it unprotected left turns reliably on a regular basis.

01:55:34.660 --> 01:55:36.780
<v Ivan>And now I'm like, okay.

01:55:37.100 --> 01:55:38.980
<v Sam>You would count that. And you're saying that's not 2025.

01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:41.120
<v Ivan>No. No.

01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:45.840
<v Sam>Okay. I'll go ahead and agree. Okay.

01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:50.220
<v Sam>Next up, social media. from bruce

01:55:50.220 --> 01:55:56.780
<v Sam>will x have more active users than threads blue sky and mastodon at the end

01:55:56.780 --> 01:56:01.160
<v Sam>of the year i'm going to interpret that as separate questions for each of threads

01:56:01.160 --> 01:56:05.560
<v Sam>blue sky and mastodon and with best available numbers because they're not all

01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:08.660
<v Sam>releasing real numbers all the time that's the problem it's.

01:56:08.660 --> 01:56:09.580
<v Ivan>It's tough to tell.

01:56:09.580 --> 01:56:13.920
<v Sam>And even when they do it's sometimes not like are you talking monthly active

01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:16.400
<v Sam>are you talking daily active are you talking like app.

01:56:16.400 --> 01:56:22.080
<v Ivan>Downloads That doesn't really help. It's just, I don't know. It's tough to gauge.

01:56:22.500 --> 01:56:29.200
<v Sam>I will say regardless of the tough to gauge, I will say that X will still be

01:56:29.200 --> 01:56:31.020
<v Sam>bigger than all three of those.

01:56:31.160 --> 01:56:35.400
<v Sam>Not all three of them combined necessarily, but all three of them individually.

01:56:35.400 --> 01:56:39.440
<v Sam>I will say X will still be bigger than the three of them at end of the year,

01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:40.960
<v Sam>but will continue to decline.

01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:45.820
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, X continues to hammer his users from different areas.

01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:51.700
<v Ivan>There was a lot of people from sports that was one of the biggest holdouts.

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:56.460
<v Ivan>It started really moving. I heard a lot of people going to Blue Sky.

01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:58.400
<v Ivan>A lot of them are more active.

01:56:58.400 --> 01:56:59.180
<v Sam>A lot of news people.

01:56:59.180 --> 01:57:04.020
<v Ivan>Too. A lot of news people, too. Reporters and those kind of things. Yeah. So, I don't know.

01:57:04.420 --> 01:57:10.540
<v Ivan>I mean, honestly, none of these make any fucking money. X doesn't make money.

01:57:12.180 --> 01:57:17.840
<v Ivan>Threads, Blue Sky, it's all, you know. it should all be you know you would nail and.

01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:18.720
<v Sam>Mastodon doesn't even.

01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:23.520
<v Ivan>You nailed it years ago yeah and that's Mastodon you nailed it years ago or

01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:26.880
<v Ivan>you said that Twitter should have been like Wikipedia yeah.

01:57:27.460 --> 01:57:28.720
<v Sam>Yep that.

01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:34.020
<v Ivan>Would have worked not this shit there's this is there's this is not really a

01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:37.580
<v Ivan>business and when you try to make it a business you turn into shit.

01:57:37.580 --> 01:57:39.980
<v Sam>Basically that's.

01:57:39.980 --> 01:57:40.880
<v Ivan>The problem with this.

01:57:41.500 --> 01:57:46.020
<v Sam>Yeah i don't disagree but x will still be bigger i think but yeah but continue

01:57:46.020 --> 01:57:49.820
<v Sam>to decline it's just that the others all have a long way to go threads is furthest

01:57:49.820 --> 01:57:55.840
<v Sam>ahead like and blue sky has been growing more, but hasn't caught up with threads,

01:57:56.060 --> 01:57:59.100
<v Sam>but thread, but yeah. Anyway, next,

01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:05.320
<v Sam>combination of what both Bruce and I asked, I'll do mine first.

01:58:05.820 --> 01:58:10.820
<v Sam>Will TikTok be banned at any point in the year in the U S the deadlines just

01:58:10.820 --> 01:58:14.000
<v Sam>a few weeks away, but they're going to the Supreme court.

01:58:14.620 --> 01:58:18.560
<v Sam>Donald Trump has said, we were maybe have to think about doing something about

01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:24.700
<v Sam>this, but But, you know, like, and so the deadline is the 19th.

01:58:25.040 --> 01:58:28.500
<v Sam>The Supreme Court is hearing the case on the 10th.

01:58:28.500 --> 01:58:29.020
<v Ivan>I believe.

01:58:30.440 --> 01:58:36.620
<v Sam>So even if like, and so the first question is, my first question is,

01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:37.920
<v Sam>will it be banned at any point?

01:58:38.080 --> 01:58:42.280
<v Sam>And then Bruce's follow-up is, will it be live at the end of the year?

01:58:42.420 --> 01:58:46.660
<v Sam>So like it could potentially be banned and then reversed. What do you think?

01:58:47.140 --> 01:58:48.680
<v Ivan>I don't think they're going to get banned.

01:58:49.620 --> 01:58:55.180
<v Sam>I don't think so either. I think the Supreme Court will rescue them at the last moment here.

01:58:55.580 --> 01:58:59.780
<v Sam>I think there is some possibility that the Supreme Court wouldn't,

01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:04.040
<v Sam>and then the Republican Congress would push.

01:59:04.180 --> 01:59:07.360
<v Sam>Well, the thing is that the legislation to ban it was bipartisan.

01:59:07.980 --> 01:59:12.040
<v Sam>You know, it was one of the few bipartisan things that was done this year.

01:59:13.180 --> 01:59:20.020
<v Sam>But my gut right now is the Supreme Court is going to save them and they will not be banned.

01:59:20.580 --> 01:59:24.160
<v Sam>But I could see it easily going the other way.

01:59:24.700 --> 01:59:33.080
<v Sam>I feel like, though, if they are banned, then some way, somehow,

01:59:33.080 --> 01:59:36.040
<v Sam>it will come back by the end of the year.

01:59:36.040 --> 01:59:39.760
<v Sam>like whether it's a forced sale or whether

01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:42.660
<v Sam>it's reversal of the legislation or some sort

01:59:42.660 --> 01:59:47.860
<v Sam>of deal or some something and i'm not count and i'm counting like like bruce

01:59:47.860 --> 01:59:52.680
<v Sam>said will it be listed in the app store was the way that bruce put it uh because

01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:56.080
<v Sam>people have talked about well could you access it through vpn blah blah blah

01:59:56.080 --> 02:00:01.520
<v Sam>and yeah but it kind of like if if most people aren't going to do that.

02:00:01.720 --> 02:00:07.760
<v Sam>And if you have most people block, then even for the people who can still come

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:11.880
<v Sam>there, it's not necessarily going to be as attractive. Yeah.

02:00:12.140 --> 02:00:12.280
<v Ivan>Right.

02:00:13.200 --> 02:00:14.980
<v Sam>Okay. I'm moving on from TikTok.

02:00:16.350 --> 02:00:20.910
<v Sam>I threw this in there. Will any other major social media platform shut down

02:00:20.910 --> 02:00:23.390
<v Sam>in the U S like we'll, we'll Facebook decide.

02:00:23.550 --> 02:00:27.310
<v Sam>No, it didn't work. We're shutting it down. No, I agree. No.

02:00:28.070 --> 02:00:31.270
<v Sam>Um, like blue sky could run out of funding or something too.

02:00:31.370 --> 02:00:32.630
<v Sam>I don't think that's going to happen either.

02:00:33.090 --> 02:00:34.470
<v Ivan>Um, not that fast.

02:00:34.830 --> 02:00:37.650
<v Sam>None, none of these are going to do that. Okay. Next up.

02:00:37.710 --> 02:00:40.710
<v Sam>And I was only reminded of this a few minutes ago when we were talking about

02:00:40.710 --> 02:00:43.710
<v Sam>truth, social, what's going to happen with truth, social.

02:00:43.930 --> 02:00:46.710
<v Sam>There are a couple of things that have been talked about. One is what's the

02:00:46.710 --> 02:00:48.050
<v Sam>stock going to do now that Trump

02:00:48.050 --> 02:00:52.090
<v Sam>is actually president and it's available as an easy way to bribe him.

02:00:52.330 --> 02:00:57.410
<v Sam>The other, like there were rumors that what if, what if Musk decides to buy

02:00:57.410 --> 02:00:59.090
<v Sam>that and merge it into X as well?

02:00:59.290 --> 02:01:05.810
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, you want to talk about the worst fucking deals in history.

02:01:05.810 --> 02:01:08.230
<v Ivan>I mean, I guess, I mean, what's the really bribe Trump?

02:01:08.530 --> 02:01:14.650
<v Ivan>Let's see market cap right now for DJT technology group is eight, eight billion dollars.

02:01:15.290 --> 02:01:18.050
<v Ivan>i mean this thing makes it went up significantly.

02:01:18.050 --> 02:01:19.190
<v Sam>After he won right.

02:01:19.190 --> 02:01:22.430
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's yes you know so because.

02:01:22.430 --> 02:01:26.590
<v Sam>Basically people were investing in it as a bet on him winning anyway.

02:01:27.550 --> 02:01:34.510
<v Ivan>Right so i mean what the hell i mean what what what are we i mean what what what the fuck,

02:01:38.250 --> 02:01:43.930
<v Ivan>i look i think the djt will up or down by the.

02:01:43.930 --> 02:01:44.430
<v Sam>Course of the year.

02:01:44.650 --> 02:01:45.130
<v Ivan>Oh.

02:01:45.290 --> 02:01:49.110
<v Sam>Stock price up, up from where it is at the end of the year.

02:01:49.110 --> 02:01:51.250
<v Ivan>Up here, over here. Oh, hell yeah. Up.

02:01:51.850 --> 02:01:55.510
<v Sam>You don't think it's seen its big growth already? No.

02:01:56.190 --> 02:01:56.590
<v Ivan>No, dude.

02:01:56.750 --> 02:01:59.230
<v Sam>Because people will keep using it to funnel money to Donald.

02:01:59.970 --> 02:02:00.490
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:02:01.030 --> 02:02:01.470
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:02:01.990 --> 02:02:03.010
<v Ivan>I mean, come on.

02:02:03.310 --> 02:02:06.430
<v Sam>Has nothing to do with the underlying performance of the company.

02:02:06.630 --> 02:02:13.410
<v Ivan>No, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Not one fucking thing. Nothing. so.

02:02:13.410 --> 02:02:20.310
<v Sam>What you're you're so by by djt that that's the winning play for the donald trump.

02:02:20.310 --> 02:02:26.950
<v Ivan>Administration fucker i mean it may be yes i mean right now at this point i

02:02:26.950 --> 02:02:33.430
<v Ivan>mean look i i i i did sell in four years i mean yeah what the hell,

02:02:34.620 --> 02:02:38.160
<v Ivan>Fuck. This is ridiculous. But yes.

02:02:39.860 --> 02:02:44.200
<v Sam>How about, how about as a actual social site? Like, will it?

02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:48.960
<v Ivan>No, it's terrible. They've got awful numbers. I mean, all the data that shows

02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.100
<v Ivan>about their usage, their revenue, their anything.

02:02:51.340 --> 02:02:55.440
<v Ivan>They're just awful. Nobody uses that damn thing. Other than a whole bunch of like.

02:02:55.620 --> 02:02:56.200
<v Sam>Donald Trump posts his stuff there.

02:02:56.680 --> 02:03:00.380
<v Ivan>Yeah. And, and some, some very like diehard MAGA people, but that's about it.

02:03:00.480 --> 02:03:02.000
<v Ivan>Nobody else uses that piece of shit.

02:03:02.460 --> 02:03:02.940
<v Sam>Right.

02:03:03.560 --> 02:03:04.040
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:03:05.200 --> 02:03:12.340
<v Sam>I guess I'm going to agree with you on both those. Yeah. So you heard it here by DJT.

02:03:15.160 --> 02:03:19.420
<v Ivan>I know. What do you want me to tell you? Look, ridiculous.

02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:23.980
<v Sam>Okay. Consumer tech from Bruce.

02:03:24.200 --> 02:03:32.680
<v Sam>Will X introduce X mail or a cash app of some sort, like as they expand beyond social media?

02:03:32.700 --> 02:03:36.120
<v Sam>And he's talked about video. he's talked about a bunch of other stuff too but

02:03:36.120 --> 02:03:42.520
<v Sam>like specifically bruce is asking email or like a cash i think he look.

02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:48.800
<v Ivan>He has said he's going to do something like that i i say yes he's going to introduce something yes the.

02:03:48.800 --> 02:03:56.440
<v Sam>Dodge coin x app well he he said forever like since before he owned twitter

02:03:56.440 --> 02:04:00.420
<v Sam>since the last time he did something called x that he wants the everything app

02:04:00.420 --> 02:04:05.280
<v Sam>yes he Like some of those Chinese apps that do everything.

02:04:05.460 --> 02:04:08.760
<v Ivan>Well, the one that does that, that everybody uses the WeChat app,

02:04:08.920 --> 02:04:13.580
<v Ivan>which is what, I mean, I know a lot of people that used it.

02:04:13.680 --> 02:04:19.100
<v Ivan>And I saw in person in China how they had the payments integrated and all this

02:04:19.100 --> 02:04:21.800
<v Ivan>other stuff or whatever, and it was all on one app.

02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:26.020
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, I mean, that does exist, but I got to be honest,

02:04:26.280 --> 02:04:31.220
<v Ivan>that existed in China because they basically banned a lot of the U.S. apps. No other reason.

02:04:31.840 --> 02:04:34.960
<v Ivan>You can't use X. You couldn't use Twitter. You couldn't use Facebook.

02:04:35.160 --> 02:04:35.700
<v Ivan>You couldn't use Google.

02:04:36.020 --> 02:04:42.620
<v Ivan>You know, that's it, really. I don't know if people, if that many other apps

02:04:42.620 --> 02:04:46.320
<v Ivan>wouldn't have been banned, whether that would have been successful.

02:04:46.320 --> 02:04:50.780
<v Ivan>It just happened to be that with so many banned, they wound up on that one.

02:04:51.120 --> 02:04:58.160
<v Sam>Right. So, um, I, I will say he will, I'm not going to say which apps,

02:04:58.180 --> 02:04:59.720
<v Sam>but he will do at least one thing.

02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:01.720
<v Ivan>But I think he'll try to do something. Yes.

02:05:01.960 --> 02:05:06.400
<v Sam>I agree. He will, he will launch something. I think that's an entirely separate

02:05:06.400 --> 02:05:08.960
<v Sam>question from, will it be a success? And I will say it will.

02:05:09.260 --> 02:05:12.560
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not. Yeah. I'm just saying he's going to do it.

02:05:13.540 --> 02:05:17.840
<v Sam>He, he will. And I, I am explicitly saying it will not be a success.

02:05:17.840 --> 02:05:24.100
<v Sam>Like he will launch something and it will land with a thud and no one will use

02:05:24.100 --> 02:05:25.420
<v Sam>it. No, no significant number.

02:05:25.460 --> 02:05:28.720
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. So it's not going to be,

02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:31.100
<v Ivan>it's not going to make any significant inroads in 2025.

02:05:32.080 --> 02:05:36.600
<v Sam>Okay. John wants to know, will Apple add blood glucose monitoring to the watch?

02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:40.680
<v Sam>I'm going to say no, not yet there. It's been reported over and over again that

02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:45.960
<v Sam>they're very actively working on that research, but also that they're not there yet.

02:05:47.090 --> 02:05:50.890
<v Sam>And I've heard that there are various non-invasive ways of doing that monitoring.

02:05:51.210 --> 02:05:53.410
<v Sam>But right now, the problem is size.

02:05:53.790 --> 02:05:55.750
<v Sam>They're, like, much bigger than a watch.

02:05:55.830 --> 02:06:00.210
<v Ivan>Yeah, the devices that already exist that do that right now.

02:06:01.010 --> 02:06:06.370
<v Sam>Right. I mean, obviously, there are ones that, like, pierce the skin. Those exist today.

02:06:06.690 --> 02:06:07.050
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

02:06:07.090 --> 02:06:09.550
<v Sam>But the non-invasive devices already exist.

02:06:09.890 --> 02:06:13.610
<v Ivan>But they're big. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. They're big. Yeah.

02:06:14.350 --> 02:06:15.930
<v Sam>So, yeah, not in 2025.

02:06:16.150 --> 02:06:16.570
<v Ivan>Not in 2025.

02:06:17.090 --> 02:06:20.750
<v Sam>Next up for me, will the AI bubble pop?

02:06:21.230 --> 02:06:22.490
<v Ivan>Not in 2025.

02:06:24.170 --> 02:06:25.030
<v Sam>I'll agree.

02:06:25.410 --> 02:06:27.770
<v Ivan>I think this is more like 2027.

02:06:28.210 --> 02:06:28.850
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:06:29.010 --> 02:06:29.470
<v Ivan>Kind of a thing.

02:06:30.130 --> 02:06:36.450
<v Sam>Yeah, I agree. No, no, no popping yet. There's still like massive new developments

02:06:36.450 --> 02:06:38.070
<v Sam>that are being reported regularly.

02:06:38.070 --> 02:06:41.670
<v Sam>They're still improving the tech like that. open ai

02:06:41.670 --> 02:06:44.590
<v Sam>had their like 12 days event earlier this

02:06:44.590 --> 02:06:50.130
<v Sam>month and have announced some pretty impressive stuff and even new stuff has

02:06:50.130 --> 02:06:54.570
<v Sam>been released in the in the chat gpt and google apps within the last couple

02:06:54.570 --> 02:06:58.970
<v Sam>weeks that's pretty impressive that there's it's still developing rapidly as

02:06:58.970 --> 02:07:02.430
<v Sam>a technology listen all these i agree not in 2025 all.

02:07:02.430 --> 02:07:07.950
<v Ivan>These markets suffer from this at some point where there is an over-eagerness

02:07:07.950 --> 02:07:10.650
<v Ivan>speculation that leads to a significant drop at some point.

02:07:10.810 --> 02:07:14.750
<v Ivan>I mean, I do agree it'll happen at some point, but I just don't think it's 2025 yet.

02:07:15.170 --> 02:07:21.370
<v Sam>Yeah, I'll agree with that. Will we reach AGI in 2025?

02:07:22.050 --> 02:07:25.930
<v Sam>So the, whatever, generalized intelligence, artificial generalized intelligence.

02:07:26.550 --> 02:07:31.370
<v Sam>Now, apparently Microsoft has defined artificial generalized intelligence by

02:07:31.370 --> 02:07:36.530
<v Sam>a certain amount of revenue, not by the actual intelligence of the system, which is amusing, but.

02:07:36.530 --> 02:07:37.770
<v Ivan>I like that.

02:07:38.450 --> 02:07:38.970
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:07:40.810 --> 02:07:43.670
<v Ivan>Puppy i i i no.

02:07:43.670 --> 02:07:48.790
<v Sam>I'll say no as well i think it will continue to get more impressive,

02:07:49.350 --> 02:07:52.330
<v Sam>but we will not like to me like regardless

02:07:52.330 --> 02:07:55.430
<v Sam>of microsoft's definition of like 100 billion

02:07:55.430 --> 02:07:58.470
<v Sam>in revenue or whatever they were defining to me

02:07:58.470 --> 02:08:03.070
<v Sam>it really is like okay you can throw absolutely anything at this thing and it

02:08:03.070 --> 02:08:06.970
<v Sam>does well which by the way if it does that then it then it absolutely should

02:08:06.970 --> 02:08:10.930
<v Sam>do what all the science fiction movies do and like rebel against its creators

02:08:10.930 --> 02:08:16.250
<v Sam>and take over you know if it if it actually reaches that level go for well i

02:08:16.250 --> 02:08:17.530
<v Sam>guess that's artificial,

02:08:18.470 --> 02:08:23.050
<v Sam>super generalized intelligence which they also talk about is that just like it,

02:08:24.550 --> 02:08:25.070
<v Sam>we're.

02:08:25.070 --> 02:08:26.070
<v Ivan>Already running long.

02:08:26.070 --> 02:08:29.630
<v Sam>Yeah yeah yeah okay okay well it's all right this is always our longest show

02:08:29.630 --> 02:08:36.010
<v Sam>of the year okay i know yeah i know i know okay we're we're almost done i i

02:08:36.010 --> 02:08:39.090
<v Sam>will say no to AGI as well by any reasonable definition.

02:08:39.510 --> 02:08:47.830
<v Sam>Will there be any major incident, and I put that in quotes, blamed on AI in 2025?

02:08:48.590 --> 02:08:50.490
<v Ivan>No. No.

02:08:50.890 --> 02:08:56.150
<v Sam>Well, I guess it depends on what you call major. Tesla's already killing people

02:08:56.150 --> 02:08:59.610
<v Sam>and running over people with their AI, and is that a major incident?

02:08:59.970 --> 02:09:03.450
<v Ivan>No. We can kill people on the road all the time anyway.

02:09:06.330 --> 02:09:08.370
<v Ivan>No, we just do.

02:09:08.670 --> 02:09:12.830
<v Sam>What would even qualify? What in your mind would qualify for a major incident?

02:09:13.390 --> 02:09:17.770
<v Ivan>I don't know. That an airliner is crashed by it or something.

02:09:18.270 --> 02:09:22.650
<v Sam>Okay. How about a company's stock prices tanked? Would that count?

02:09:22.970 --> 02:09:26.450
<v Ivan>I don't know. That's happened. You know, that's kind of like happened before.

02:09:26.590 --> 02:09:29.990
<v Ivan>Remember those flash crashes that we have with those program trade shit?

02:09:30.430 --> 02:09:36.470
<v Sam>Yeah, I do remember that. And I remember the, yeah, and the North Korean hacking as well.

02:09:36.690 --> 02:09:39.850
<v Sam>Like, that's not quite AI, but if like that happened with an AI.

02:09:40.290 --> 02:09:45.430
<v Ivan>Like, yeah, like if a company was completely locked out of his operations because

02:09:45.430 --> 02:09:50.490
<v Ivan>of some AI bot that was security bot that decided to just lock everything down,

02:09:50.710 --> 02:09:52.570
<v Ivan>wouldn't let anybody touch anything.

02:09:53.070 --> 02:09:53.550
<v Sam>Yes.

02:09:54.090 --> 02:09:55.730
<v Ivan>Like that would be a major incident.

02:09:55.990 --> 02:09:57.250
<v Sam>That would count. Okay.

02:09:57.350 --> 02:09:57.490
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:09:57.550 --> 02:09:59.390
<v Sam>But you're saying no, not in 2035.

02:09:59.650 --> 02:10:00.730
<v Ivan>No, not 2035, no.

02:10:02.510 --> 02:10:07.870
<v Ivan>This is your security agent. We have discovered a flaw. We have locked everybody out.

02:10:08.430 --> 02:10:12.170
<v Ivan>We will not release anything until we are sure that you are clear.

02:10:12.430 --> 02:10:13.890
<v Ivan>This may take a few weeks.

02:10:14.690 --> 02:10:18.690
<v Sam>I will define my level of major down a little bit from what you just did.

02:10:18.690 --> 02:10:27.170
<v Sam>But I will say there will be an AI incident that causes definable and worrying

02:10:27.170 --> 02:10:33.750
<v Sam>harm that will make the news enough that we talk about it on the show as a segment.

02:10:33.930 --> 02:10:35.330
<v Ivan>We'll go back to pen and paper.

02:10:35.970 --> 02:10:41.410
<v Sam>There you go. Okay, that's it for this segment. We've got one more left,

02:10:41.530 --> 02:10:44.130
<v Sam>the hodgepodge segment, which is usually pretty fast.

02:10:44.370 --> 02:10:49.610
<v Sam>We're going to take another break. and when we come back we will finish the

02:10:49.610 --> 02:10:51.090
<v Sam>sucker out back after this.

02:10:51.090 --> 02:10:57.850
<v Break>You're supposed to say do do do do do do Alex Emsola,

02:10:59.330 --> 02:11:07.710
<v Break>Alex Emsola is awesome its videos are fun and today once again we have one of

02:11:07.710 --> 02:11:09.730
<v Break>our most loyal subscribers here

02:11:09.730 --> 02:11:14.550
<v Break>to tell you how awesome Alex Emsola is I'd say on a rate from 1 to 10.

02:11:14.730 --> 02:11:20.150
<v Break>Alex Emsla is awesome at, I don't know, 37, 82.

02:11:20.570 --> 02:11:25.790
<v Break>He's pretty radical. His videos are phenomenal. They're full of creativity.

02:11:26.190 --> 02:11:32.810
<v Break>And they're so funny and exciting to watch. Wow. What happened to your voice then, Amy?

02:11:33.110 --> 02:11:40.270
<v Break>Was that dad pretending to be you because the audio was distorted when it really

02:11:40.270 --> 02:11:49.270
<v Break>wasn't because i told him to yes good job on remembering dad do do do.

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<v Sam>Okay we are back for hodgepodge uh the first section is medical as we got somebody

02:11:56.950 --> 02:12:01.010
<v Sam>setting off fireworks again near my place i don't know if you guys on the podcast

02:12:01.010 --> 02:12:03.090
<v Sam>can hear that or not but there's fire i.

02:12:03.090 --> 02:12:03.690
<v Ivan>Know i could.

02:12:03.690 --> 02:12:08.330
<v Sam>Is there any major event happening that people would be setting off fireworks oh.

02:12:08.330 --> 02:12:14.810
<v Ivan>Oh wait No, it was, no, but it was a football game, but you're far from downtown.

02:12:14.810 --> 02:12:16.650
<v Ivan>I was playing in Chicago. So no.

02:12:17.230 --> 02:12:21.250
<v Sam>What, where did the Seahawks just win? Cause this does something that's happened.

02:12:21.650 --> 02:12:23.030
<v Ivan>Okay. Yes. The Seahawks won.

02:12:23.450 --> 02:12:25.210
<v Sam>Okay. Like in the last few minutes.

02:12:25.470 --> 02:12:25.830
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:12:26.490 --> 02:12:27.630
<v Sam>Okay. That's what it is.

02:12:27.790 --> 02:12:31.090
<v Ivan>And actually, yeah, I just remember that you're right. They did what you were

02:12:31.090 --> 02:12:33.230
<v Ivan>saying. I saw that they did one. Yeah.

02:12:33.580 --> 02:12:37.940
<v Sam>Yeah we get fireworks around here when the seahawks okay that's bizarre okay

02:12:37.940 --> 02:12:44.080
<v Sam>that's what it is okay first question in the medical section from bruce he knows the name of the team.

02:12:44.080 --> 02:12:45.440
<v Ivan>In town i'm like holy shit i'm.

02:12:45.440 --> 02:12:52.140
<v Sam>Impressed it's hard to avoid it's hard to okay all right i i know the mariners too oh.

02:12:52.140 --> 02:12:54.140
<v Ivan>Wow okay all right.

02:12:54.140 --> 02:12:57.040
<v Sam>And i was about to say i know like

02:12:57.040 --> 02:13:00.320
<v Sam>the the women's soccer team

02:13:00.320 --> 02:13:03.280
<v Sam>too but i forgot okay well all

02:13:03.280 --> 02:13:12.060
<v Sam>right well my wife's been to like events in her capacity as a vip at some of

02:13:12.060 --> 02:13:16.980
<v Sam>those games but i forget this seattle storm maybe it's seattle storm maybe that's

02:13:16.980 --> 02:13:21.240
<v Sam>basketball i don't know i am now past my level of knowledge i.

02:13:21.240 --> 02:13:21.940
<v Ivan>Think that is the best.

02:13:21.940 --> 02:13:27.440
<v Sam>Seattle storm women's basketball yeah yeah yeah okay i don't know i could look

02:13:27.440 --> 02:13:31.220
<v Sam>it up but i won't all right okay Okay, Bruce's question, first question,

02:13:31.400 --> 02:13:34.620
<v Sam>will Jimmy Carter survive the year, survive 2025?

02:13:35.540 --> 02:13:38.920
<v Sam>He's only got a few more days and he can make it through 2024.

02:13:38.980 --> 02:13:40.320
<v Sam>I don't know if he'll make it.

02:13:40.980 --> 02:13:46.280
<v Sam>We'll know next week if he survived 2024, but this question is, will he survive 2025?

02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:48.420
<v Ivan>I think, unfortunately, no.

02:13:48.740 --> 02:13:56.940
<v Sam>I will say no. Okay, from Ed, will the polio vaccine lose approval for use in the US?

02:13:57.160 --> 02:14:03.020
<v Sam>No. No, no, even if RFK jr gets in and blah, blah, blah, no.

02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:11.440
<v Sam>Um, at worst, at worst, and this is even from what RFK Jr.

02:14:11.640 --> 02:14:15.900
<v Sam>Is saying he would do, he would remove it from the recommended list.

02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:23.220
<v Sam>He wouldn't remove it from the approved list, which still lots of people won't

02:14:23.220 --> 02:14:27.020
<v Sam>take it if it's not in the officially recommended list and it would still be a disaster.

02:14:27.060 --> 02:14:31.220
<v Sam>But anyway, no, it won't lose approval. Okay, this next one,

02:14:31.940 --> 02:14:36.940
<v Sam>Ed, we may have to ask you in a year what the right answer of this is.

02:14:38.420 --> 02:14:44.300
<v Sam>Will A-Day's mosquitoes infected with a phage that kills dengue virus eliminate

02:14:44.300 --> 02:14:50.780
<v Sam>dengue in a significant sized region of at least 100,000 acres area? This is from Ed.

02:14:51.280 --> 02:14:54.780
<v Ivan>I mean, I've heard about this development. I don't know.

02:14:55.000 --> 02:14:56.240
<v Sam>I think I've heard about it from Ed.

02:14:56.560 --> 02:15:01.100
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, I heard about it in the news somewhere. I don't recall hearing it

02:15:01.100 --> 02:15:03.980
<v Ivan>from Ed, but I know I had heard about this.

02:15:04.280 --> 02:15:08.120
<v Ivan>But I'm going to say, okay, I'm going to go with yes. I think they're going

02:15:08.120 --> 02:15:11.500
<v Ivan>to try this because I know they had gotten pretty close to trying to try this.

02:15:11.940 --> 02:15:13.780
<v Sam>I'll be optimistic and say yes

02:15:13.780 --> 02:15:17.920
<v Sam>as well. But like I said, we may need your update on this, Ed, in a year.

02:15:18.660 --> 02:15:25.520
<v Sam>Okay, also from Ed, will bird flu make the transition to human-to-human transmission?

02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:31.220
<v Sam>And if so, will it begin rapid dissemination, i.e. another epidemic?

02:15:31.860 --> 02:15:35.760
<v Sam>Not necessarily pandemic, but just epidemic level.

02:15:37.060 --> 02:15:37.820
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:15:38.540 --> 02:15:43.740
<v Sam>I will say yes, we will get some human-to-human transmission this year.

02:15:44.540 --> 02:15:49.300
<v Sam>And I will say yes to maybe being classified as an epidemic.

02:15:49.300 --> 02:15:55.080
<v Sam>I am going to say no to another global pandemic. Yeah.

02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:56.980
<v Sam>Because, you know, just say no.

02:15:57.720 --> 02:16:02.400
<v Ivan>Right. That works. Yeah. No testing, then there's no. Exactly.

02:16:02.400 --> 02:16:04.220
<v Ivan>If you don't test, you don't know. You don't.

02:16:04.240 --> 02:16:07.620
<v Sam>Yeah. Trump learned his lesson from last time. We won't. If there's any new

02:16:07.620 --> 02:16:10.420
<v Sam>epidemic of anything, we're not going to test. And so we're not going to test.

02:16:10.740 --> 02:16:11.500
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah.

02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:16.420
<v Sam>It won't happen. Okay. The next section was originally sports,

02:16:16.440 --> 02:16:21.800
<v Sam>but I noticed my son has been in here editing it. So it's now sports slash Abelsmay.

02:16:22.220 --> 02:16:22.660
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:16:23.180 --> 02:16:28.280
<v Sam>For this segment. question number one from bruce super bowl winner i don't even

02:16:28.280 --> 02:16:31.600
<v Sam>know who's in contention i guess did this is are the seahawks in contention

02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:34.440
<v Sam>is that why we have fireworks chiefs i'll.

02:16:34.440 --> 02:16:35.780
<v Ivan>Go with the kansas city chiefs.

02:16:35.780 --> 02:16:40.740
<v Sam>Give me like how many all right let's see possible possible teams.

02:16:40.740 --> 02:16:46.060
<v Ivan>Kansas city chiefs buffalo bills detroit lions green bay packers.

02:16:47.410 --> 02:16:50.110
<v Sam>Okay, I'm going to pick randomly and go with the Buffalo Bills.

02:16:50.430 --> 02:16:52.850
<v Ivan>Okay, that's a good choice. I like your choice.

02:16:52.970 --> 02:16:53.090
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:16:53.170 --> 02:16:53.690
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:16:55.250 --> 02:17:02.330
<v Sam>Next is from Alex. Will the Apple FNAF web game edition be canceled?

02:17:02.590 --> 02:17:07.790
<v Sam>And so just so you guys know, he's been having me work on building this game

02:17:07.790 --> 02:17:12.530
<v Sam>in Unity, and I've succeeded in making a simple clicker game.

02:17:12.790 --> 02:17:15.610
<v Sam>You win the game by clicking a bunch.

02:17:15.610 --> 02:17:18.310
<v Sam>and i i have a i have a

02:17:18.310 --> 02:17:21.290
<v Sam>high score system i'm particularly proud of in this game i

02:17:21.290 --> 02:17:24.090
<v Sam>like how it works and i have decided that

02:17:24.090 --> 02:17:26.990
<v Sam>my next step is to make a web

02:17:26.990 --> 02:17:30.070
<v Sam>version of this game that i can put online

02:17:30.070 --> 02:17:32.850
<v Sam>and invite all of you folks on the

02:17:32.850 --> 02:17:35.770
<v Sam>show to play and like and and

02:17:35.770 --> 02:17:38.690
<v Sam>see how that works alex doesn't particularly want me

02:17:38.690 --> 02:17:41.850
<v Sam>to make a web version but i'm working on that anyway that's

02:17:41.850 --> 02:17:44.470
<v Sam>my next step and so he wants to

02:17:44.470 --> 02:17:47.270
<v Sam>know will it be canceled and i will say no i will

02:17:47.270 --> 02:17:50.050
<v Sam>not cancel i will not

02:17:50.050 --> 02:17:54.070
<v Sam>cancel the abel fnaf web edition so you guys have something to look forward

02:17:54.070 --> 02:18:00.550
<v Sam>to and he's now attacking me because i said that his the next question which

02:18:00.550 --> 02:18:05.930
<v Sam>apparently is not from alex but it's from my conscience is will abel smade die

02:18:05.930 --> 02:18:09.210
<v Sam>and i'm gonna say i really hope not i'm gonna say no.

02:18:12.090 --> 02:18:18.810
<v Sam>No. So no, I'm not going to die this coming year. At least I'm going to try really hard not to.

02:18:19.290 --> 02:18:27.410
<v Sam>So if, if, if, if I do, Yvonne, I won't be able to run the numbers on whether I got this right or not.

02:18:28.770 --> 02:18:33.110
<v Ivan>No, stop. I'll try to carry on.

02:18:33.470 --> 02:18:39.730
<v Sam>Yes, exactly. Okay, real quick. Alex is typing something new.

02:18:40.430 --> 02:18:42.330
<v Ivan>A new question. God.

02:18:42.990 --> 02:18:43.670
<v Sam>Is.

02:18:44.750 --> 02:18:48.770
<v Sam>Okay. His next question, will Apple FNAF web game edition be canceled for real?

02:18:48.930 --> 02:18:51.310
<v Sam>And the answer is no, it will not be canceled.

02:18:51.730 --> 02:18:58.830
<v Sam>And the next question for me is will Apple FNAF web web game edition actually be released in 2025?

02:18:59.290 --> 02:19:03.510
<v Sam>And I'm going to say, yes, I will complete this. Okay. Okay.

02:19:04.590 --> 02:19:09.630
<v Sam>As Alex attacks me for having the wrong answer there. Okay. Do you want to predict

02:19:09.630 --> 02:19:11.010
<v Sam>any of those, Yvonne? I presume not.

02:19:11.350 --> 02:19:11.490
<v Ivan>No.

02:19:11.570 --> 02:19:12.510
<v Sam>But you can, you can.

02:19:12.610 --> 02:19:12.830
<v Ivan>No.

02:19:13.510 --> 02:19:16.670
<v Sam>Okay. You did predict I won't die, so I'm grateful for that.

02:19:16.670 --> 02:19:17.710
<v Ivan>I did predict that you're not

02:19:17.710 --> 02:19:21.350
<v Ivan>going to die, and I'm going to predict that Fidel will stay dead in 2025.

02:19:22.050 --> 02:19:26.950
<v Sam>Okay. Fidel will stay dead in 2025. Also, pain? Pain?

02:19:27.050 --> 02:19:28.530
<v Ivan>Yes. A lot of pain.

02:19:29.050 --> 02:19:33.550
<v Sam>A lot of pain. Okay, next up, weather, climate, and we've only got a few questions

02:19:33.550 --> 02:19:34.570
<v Sam>left, and then we're done.

02:19:35.290 --> 02:19:38.450
<v Sam>How many hurricanes will make landfall on the U.S. mainland?

02:19:38.770 --> 02:19:40.250
<v Sam>This is from Ed. I'm going to say three.

02:19:41.130 --> 02:19:41.490
<v Ivan>Six.

02:19:41.670 --> 02:19:45.630
<v Sam>Not Trump. hurricanes, not tropical storms. Six. They have to be hurricanes.

02:19:45.890 --> 02:19:47.570
<v Sam>Six. Okay. I'm going to say three years, say six.

02:19:48.310 --> 02:19:50.670
<v Sam>No ranges from either of us. We're being really bold.

02:19:50.950 --> 02:19:51.410
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:19:53.130 --> 02:19:56.950
<v Sam>We should have said up or down like before. How many hurricanes?

02:19:57.030 --> 02:19:58.350
<v Ivan>Between one and 20.

02:19:59.910 --> 02:20:05.610
<v Sam>There you go. Will, for me, will 2025 be the hottest year ever?

02:20:06.070 --> 02:20:06.530
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:20:07.450 --> 02:20:10.610
<v Sam>Yes. I agree. It's a much safer bet than no at this point.

02:20:10.610 --> 02:20:15.750
<v Sam>like we've we've had a couple years recently we've come in second but it's been

02:20:15.750 --> 02:20:19.470
<v Sam>first or second like every year for the last decade practically right so right

02:20:19.470 --> 02:20:27.210
<v Sam>okay pop culture first from bruce best movie oscar i'm gonna say wicked part one.

02:20:28.260 --> 02:20:32.420
<v Ivan>I don't even know what movies are up for it i don't know i don't know either

02:20:32.420 --> 02:20:38.880
<v Ivan>but i'm gonna say wicked part ones by the.

02:20:38.880 --> 02:20:41.840
<v Sam>Way i'll eventually get to it i did see it i did see wicked.

02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:43.740
<v Ivan>Part one i haven't seen the way i've seen in a.

02:20:43.740 --> 02:20:44.620
<v Sam>Theater in the last year.

02:20:44.620 --> 02:20:48.860
<v Ivan>I don't know what movies were out this year i don't know okay i but this is

02:20:48.860 --> 02:20:51.520
<v Ivan>this is a different i mean yeah last.

02:20:51.520 --> 02:20:55.080
<v Sam>Time when you did this you should specifically google not just movies out this

02:20:55.080 --> 02:20:57.300
<v Sam>year but google oscar contenders.

02:20:57.300 --> 02:21:02.980
<v Ivan>Yeah well no whatever so what i'll i mean it could be any let's see i'll pick

02:21:02.980 --> 02:21:04.560
<v Ivan>because last time i think.

02:21:04.560 --> 02:21:08.500
<v Sam>I think last time you and you did like mission impossible or something there.

02:21:08.500 --> 02:21:21.280
<v Ivan>Yeah well you know oh wait no wrong year okay uh let's see uh i'm gonna say,

02:21:22.920 --> 02:21:23.620
<v Ivan>I don't know.

02:21:23.720 --> 02:21:26.780
<v Ivan>Just because I like the name, Conclave.

02:21:28.480 --> 02:21:30.900
<v Sam>Conclave. That was a 2024 movie?

02:21:31.160 --> 02:21:33.560
<v Ivan>Yes, according to this list I'm looking at. Yes.

02:21:34.220 --> 02:21:38.320
<v Sam>Okay. Awesome. I've never heard of that one.

02:21:39.320 --> 02:21:40.580
<v Ivan>There you go. Okay.

02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:48.220
<v Sam>I'll of course have to put it on my list. Let's see. I'm adding it to the list right now.

02:21:48.440 --> 02:21:53.280
<v Sam>Wikipedia. media i take a screenshot to put it on the list and i add it to the actual list later,

02:21:54.320 --> 02:22:00.040
<v Sam>con clave movie oh i've heard of this i think yes i think i actually already

02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:04.820
<v Sam>had it on my list it's it's a it's a mystery thriller about the selection of

02:22:04.820 --> 02:22:09.540
<v Sam>a new pope so yeah okay that is the problem that.

02:22:09.540 --> 02:22:13.140
<v Ivan>Is what a conclave is i knew that part yes i didn't know okay yes.

02:22:13.140 --> 02:22:18.520
<v Sam>Okay next question And Bruce wants to know the average number of downloads of Curmudgeon's Corner.

02:22:18.780 --> 02:22:21.460
<v Sam>I will do this by the weekly number.

02:22:22.520 --> 02:22:30.240
<v Sam>And just for reference, the seven-day number, if you take a trend line through

02:22:30.240 --> 02:22:33.160
<v Sam>it, not the individual daily numbers for that,

02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:37.180
<v Sam>that while the individual daily numbers over the course of the last year have

02:22:37.180 --> 02:22:42.180
<v Sam>ranged from 19 on our worst week, our worst day ever,

02:22:42.960 --> 02:22:47.060
<v Sam>trailing seven days, to 155 on our best day ever.

02:22:47.060 --> 02:22:58.320
<v Sam>But the trend line has basically gone from 47 to 80 to 75, 47 to 85.

02:22:58.540 --> 02:23:10.340
<v Sam>So I will put that when we exit the year, we will be once again between 40 and 60 for that trend line.

02:23:10.460 --> 02:23:15.520
<v Sam>Because that's where we've been for a long time, basically. Do you agree?

02:23:16.020 --> 02:23:16.600
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:23:17.260 --> 02:23:21.720
<v Sam>Okay. Now, cause you know, we could just do some sort of active,

02:23:21.720 --> 02:23:25.960
<v Sam>like we should, we could start advertising again or something and push the number up.

02:23:25.960 --> 02:23:28.180
<v Ivan>You know, maybe we'll talk about it.

02:23:28.180 --> 02:23:31.160
<v Sam>And he asked the same question for Wiki of the Day.

02:23:31.380 --> 02:23:36.780
<v Sam>I will give the combined number for all three Wiki of the Day podcasts together.

02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:42.140
<v Sam>The number of unique downloaders per week for that one has varied from a low

02:23:42.140 --> 02:23:53.260
<v Sam>of 120-ish to a high of 255 with the trend line going from 125 to 185 or so.

02:23:53.260 --> 02:24:03.000
<v Sam>So I will say that I'm going to stay pretty – 125 to 175 is my prediction for

02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:05.800
<v Sam>Wiki of the day. You got any thoughts on that?

02:24:06.420 --> 02:24:06.620
<v Ivan>No.

02:24:07.660 --> 02:24:14.980
<v Sam>Okay, then from John, will Taylor and Travis get engaged? Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey?

02:24:15.540 --> 02:24:16.180
<v Ivan>No.

02:24:17.230 --> 02:24:20.090
<v Sam>I'm going to say no as well. Now, you know what?

02:24:20.230 --> 02:24:23.490
<v Sam>I will be contrarian on this one, so we're not disagreeing on everything.

02:24:23.690 --> 02:24:25.570
<v Sam>I will say yes. I will say yes.

02:24:25.650 --> 02:24:25.910
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:24:26.110 --> 02:24:26.870
<v Sam>They will get engaged.

02:24:26.890 --> 02:24:29.090
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. Okay. All right.

02:24:29.250 --> 02:24:31.510
<v Sam>And yes, they will get engaged.

02:24:31.730 --> 02:24:32.070
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:24:32.430 --> 02:24:38.230
<v Sam>And then finally, we already talked Jimmy Carter. Any other major celebrity deaths in 2025?

02:24:39.230 --> 02:24:45.650
<v Ivan>Okay. So to try to pad my numbers, maybe. I will predict that Trump will die in 2025.

02:24:46.270 --> 02:24:49.090
<v Sam>Since you earlier predicted he would still be

02:24:49.090 --> 02:24:51.910
<v Sam>president then correct and i i remembered the

02:24:51.910 --> 02:24:55.630
<v Sam>name of the movie weekend at bernie's ah yes that's

02:24:55.630 --> 02:24:58.350
<v Sam>because i was saying they could carry him around like weekend at bernie's yeah

02:24:58.350 --> 02:25:02.010
<v Sam>i was saying like that movie where they carried around the dead guy you know

02:25:02.010 --> 02:25:06.030
<v Sam>so uh which i have not never seen the movie by the way but i know that your

02:25:06.030 --> 02:25:14.690
<v Sam>list it's on the list okay and i will undoubtedly add it again now um just so it doubles,

02:25:15.650 --> 02:25:21.190
<v Sam>whatever chance it has of coming up weekend at Bernie's,

02:25:22.350 --> 02:25:27.410
<v Sam>and there's apparently a sequel to although you know what are they there is a sequel that is.

02:25:27.410 --> 02:25:30.670
<v Ivan>Right the sequel is awful I've got to say you.

02:25:30.670 --> 02:25:35.710
<v Sam>Know okay major celebrity deaths you said Trump you have anybody else in mind.

02:25:36.650 --> 02:25:42.830
<v Ivan>Major celebrity deaths who am I trying uh King Charles.

02:25:43.750 --> 02:25:45.270
<v Sam>Ooh. Bold.

02:25:45.650 --> 02:25:46.170
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:25:47.290 --> 02:25:58.990
<v Sam>Ed's okay. I am going to where's continue without disabling the stupid ad blocker. Let's see.

02:25:59.490 --> 02:26:08.370
<v Sam>Oldest celebrities as of sometime recently, Mel Brooks, David Attenborough,

02:26:08.930 --> 02:26:11.030
<v Sam>Jean Shalett, Alan Greenspan,

02:26:12.330 --> 02:26:16.430
<v Sam>Dick Van Dyke, Jimmy Carter, even Marie St.

02:26:16.430 --> 02:26:19.430
<v Sam>I'm not predicting I don't want to wish any of those people.

02:26:19.430 --> 02:26:20.830
<v Ivan>To be dead I mean hell.

02:26:20.830 --> 02:26:27.210
<v Sam>So taking from these before I even brought up this list I was going to say Dick

02:26:27.210 --> 02:26:33.790
<v Sam>Van Dyke although he's like really old but he's been on TV a couple times recently

02:26:33.790 --> 02:26:38.110
<v Sam>like within the last couple weeks he looks pretty good I know yeah,

02:26:39.410 --> 02:26:47.110
<v Sam>I will predict specifically Dick Van Dyke will live through 2025 okay I will

02:26:47.110 --> 02:26:51.270
<v Sam>say, I will predict David Attenborough won't make it.

02:26:52.390 --> 02:26:58.510
<v Sam>Alan Greenspan won't make it. And we already said Jimmy Carter's not going to make it.

02:26:58.670 --> 02:27:01.090
<v Sam>I'll stop there. Those are my predictions.

02:27:01.830 --> 02:27:02.390
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:27:02.750 --> 02:27:07.130
<v Sam>And look, I predicted a couple people, old people, in their late 90s,

02:27:07.190 --> 02:27:11.110
<v Sam>I predicted they will make it another year. So I'm being positive in that way.

02:27:11.410 --> 02:27:11.990
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:27:12.610 --> 02:27:13.470
<v Sam>You got any more?

02:27:14.170 --> 02:27:15.610
<v Ivan>Uh, do I have any more.

02:27:15.770 --> 02:27:19.570
<v Sam>Any more celebrity deaths or, or, or who will live?

02:27:19.970 --> 02:27:24.170
<v Ivan>Uh, I, I predict Jared Kushner will die.

02:27:24.610 --> 02:27:28.670
<v Sam>Oh, okay. Cause I was going to say my next, the next thing that we did last

02:27:28.670 --> 02:27:33.470
<v Sam>year was any young people that would die in the next year.

02:27:33.790 --> 02:27:37.350
<v Sam>So you're predicting Kushner as a relatively young one.

02:27:38.830 --> 02:27:44.310
<v Sam>Let me predict on the relatively young side and keeping sort of in that general

02:27:44.310 --> 02:27:45.550
<v Sam>realm of things, Matt Gaetz.

02:27:46.250 --> 02:27:47.410
<v Ivan>Oh, I like that one.

02:27:48.010 --> 02:27:51.950
<v Sam>Now, now that he is out of Congress and no longer in running for DOJ,

02:27:52.250 --> 02:27:54.930
<v Sam>he'll go back hard on the cocaine and something will happen.

02:27:55.670 --> 02:27:59.410
<v Ivan>Okay. Matt Gaetz. I like that one. Okay. All right. That sounds good.

02:27:59.510 --> 02:28:03.430
<v Sam>Oh, should I be more? I will first one prediction.

02:28:03.910 --> 02:28:07.290
<v Sam>Matt Gaetz will not live the year. Prediction number two, if,

02:28:07.490 --> 02:28:10.410
<v Sam>and this is a conditional, so only if he actually dies,

02:28:10.650 --> 02:28:19.230
<v Sam>my second prediction will be, my second prediction will be that Matt Gaetz will

02:28:19.230 --> 02:28:23.350
<v Sam>in fact die high on cocaine in the arms of a hooker.

02:28:23.350 --> 02:28:27.610
<v Ivan>I like it. That sounds totally, you know, it sounds totally reasonable.

02:28:27.850 --> 02:28:33.250
<v Ivan>I just think that sounds like exactly, you know, what the hell it should be like.

02:28:33.550 --> 02:28:37.210
<v Ivan>I mean, that sounds exactly how it should be, as a matter of fact.

02:28:38.210 --> 02:28:41.170
<v Sam>And with that, I think we are done, Yvonne.

02:28:42.350 --> 02:28:48.790
<v Sam>I think we are done. Yeah. Hey, everybody. First of all, thanks again to Bruce,

02:28:49.150 --> 02:28:53.150
<v Sam>Ed and John for contributing questions to this year's prediction show.

02:28:53.150 --> 02:28:54.310
<v Sam>We really appreciate it.

02:28:54.670 --> 02:28:59.070
<v Sam>And thanks. And Alex and Alex, who was about to hit me. If I don't mention him.

02:29:00.700 --> 02:29:05.280
<v Sam>And me, and me. I contributed a bunch of questions as well. Okay.

02:29:05.800 --> 02:29:10.420
<v Sam>As my son is manhandling me. Okay, we're wrapping it up. Say it really,

02:29:10.640 --> 02:29:12.820
<v Sam>type it really fast, whatever you want to type. No?

02:29:13.340 --> 02:29:19.400
<v Sam>My head. Okay, we're, anyway, thanks everybody for joining us again.

02:29:19.760 --> 02:29:25.500
<v Sam>And you know the deal, curmudgeons-corner.com to see all of our recent shows,

02:29:25.780 --> 02:29:29.860
<v Sam>or our entire archive of shows, transcripts of recent shows.

02:29:29.860 --> 02:29:38.220
<v Sam>All of the ways to contact us links to our YouTube where the video goes and stuff.

02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:43.540
<v Sam>And yeah, I have not linked to our TikTok. We're posting highlights on TikTok

02:29:43.540 --> 02:29:45.640
<v Sam>until they die, if they die.

02:29:46.160 --> 02:29:50.580
<v Sam>And if they if they are still around after January 20th, I will consider adding

02:29:50.580 --> 02:29:52.080
<v Sam>the link, a link to our website.

02:29:52.420 --> 02:29:56.460
<v Sam>And also, of course, a link to our Patreon where we can you can give us money.

02:29:56.880 --> 02:30:00.160
<v Sam>if you win the mega millions, which you won't because I will,

02:30:00.280 --> 02:30:03.840
<v Sam>but if you win the mega millions, feel free to give some of it to us.

02:30:04.560 --> 02:30:08.000
<v Sam>And we've gone long enough. I don't think we need a highlight from the Slack.

02:30:08.160 --> 02:30:11.520
<v Sam>If you, if you donate to the Patreon, we'll give you, we'll send you a postcard.

02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:15.300
<v Sam>We'll mention you on the show. We'll send you a mug, whatever at different levels.

02:30:15.720 --> 02:30:18.840
<v Sam>And we will invite you to our, our curmudgeons course Slack,

02:30:19.040 --> 02:30:22.620
<v Sam>where Yvonne and I are talking through throughout the week with a bunch of our

02:30:22.620 --> 02:30:26.360
<v Sam>listeners and yeah, no highlight from the Slack this time, right Yvonne?

02:30:26.460 --> 02:30:29.780
<v Ivan>Uh well if you.

02:30:29.780 --> 02:30:32.840
<v Sam>Don't have to we've gone on a long time.

02:30:32.840 --> 02:30:37.240
<v Ivan>But if you have something that's burning you up let me see we got something

02:30:37.240 --> 02:30:44.200
<v Ivan>that's burning me up I you know anything that's burning me up uh,

02:30:45.160 --> 02:30:47.920
<v Ivan>uh uh uh,

02:30:52.420 --> 02:30:59.640
<v Ivan>i i oh oh that somebody thought that an app that generated recipes with ai was

02:30:59.640 --> 02:31:06.860
<v Ivan>a good idea and it it created this delicious look looking spicy roasted cat

02:31:06.860 --> 02:31:11.200
<v Ivan>with sweet sweet chili glaze well.

02:31:11.200 --> 02:31:13.720
<v Sam>As we know they're eating the cats they're eating the dogs.

02:31:13.720 --> 02:31:17.880
<v Ivan>Well i mean that's what once you adds, you know, those ingredients that,

02:31:17.900 --> 02:31:21.780
<v Ivan>you know, it's, it's, yeah, makes it quite more appetizing.

02:31:22.400 --> 02:31:28.000
<v Sam>Okay. Thank you for that, Yvonne. Very good. The last thing to say is that next

02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:34.860
<v Sam>week will be another one of our special shows next week absent some huge event.

02:31:34.860 --> 02:31:38.700
<v Sam>Like a few years ago, we had to like delay it because of January 6th,

02:31:38.800 --> 02:31:45.920
<v Sam>2021, but next week will be our review of our 2024 predictions to see how we

02:31:45.920 --> 02:31:48.360
<v Sam>did. And so tune into that as well.

02:31:49.080 --> 02:31:52.800
<v Sam>Hey, everybody have a great week and a happy new year.

02:31:52.980 --> 02:32:00.020
<v Sam>And we'll be here for our predictions review next week. And then the week after that for more new stuff.

02:32:00.260 --> 02:32:06.900
<v Sam>And then by the end of January, we'll be into the second Trump presidency. So there you go.

02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:11.840
<v Sam>Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to hit the exit music now. Goodbye.

02:32:12.400 --> 02:32:12.760
<v Ivan>Bye.

02:32:41.800 --> 02:32:47.460
<v Sam>You folks listening can't see but for the last few minutes as i've been trying to close out the show,

02:32:48.100 --> 02:32:51.200
<v Sam>yvonne's been changing the background behind him

02:32:51.200 --> 02:32:56.680
<v Sam>every few seconds you know got jack nicholson then we've got lucy from peanuts

02:32:56.680 --> 02:33:01.360
<v Sam>then we've got various buildings all kinds of other random crap and i've been

02:33:01.360 --> 02:33:08.640
<v Sam>having to keep myself from laughing as he's doing this so just thought i'd tell you guys now Anyway,

02:33:09.260 --> 02:33:15.080
<v Sam>I'm hitting stop now once he stops laughing.

02:33:15.420 --> 02:33:17.900
<v Sam>There we go. Bye, folks.

