WEBVTT 00:00:22.060 --> 00:00:28.540 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, December 21st, 2024. 00:00:28.580 --> 00:00:31.700 It's just after 18 UTC as we're starting to record. 00:00:31.900 --> 00:00:34.680 I am Sam Minter. Yvonne Bo is here. 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.700 And we're doing something a little different this week than our normal. 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:42.420 Instead of having our butt first where Yvonne and I just talk about whatever 00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:44.480 stuff, we have like a guest. 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.080 So let me introduce... 00:00:47.620 --> 00:00:48.860 Yes, I know. 00:00:49.180 --> 00:00:53.240 We do this every once in a while. Sam, we can't treat people. 00:00:53.340 --> 00:00:53.600 Oh, yes. 00:00:53.740 --> 00:00:54.820 Yeah. Well, yeah. 00:00:55.540 --> 00:00:56.020 Okay. 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:56.540 Seriously. 00:00:57.620 --> 00:01:04.460 We do this every once in a while, but not commonly. So our guest today is Monica Chilton. 00:01:05.260 --> 00:01:08.160 I'll let her introduce herself more fully in a second. 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:14.400 We have her on because she, this year, was one of Washington State's electors 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.280 for the Electoral College, which voted this last week. 00:01:17.580 --> 00:01:21.280 And I thought it would be interesting to have her on and talk a little bit about that. 00:01:21.740 --> 00:01:24.900 So, Monica, do you want to introduce yourself a little bit more fully? 00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:27.540 Yeah. Good morning, Sam. Good morning, Yvonne. Good morning, 00:01:27.820 --> 00:01:29.640 audience. I'm Monica Chilton. 00:01:29.980 --> 00:01:36.760 I am one of the two what's called state committee members for the Snohomish County Democrats. 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:41.400 I was previously the chair of the Snohomish County Democrats for four years, 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.280 but I've been in leadership. 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:44.540 And actually, after this, I need 00:01:44.540 --> 00:01:49.060 to log off and go to an executive board meeting for that organization. 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:54.680 So always working, as it were, for the volunteer job. I guess we're all a little 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.180 bit cuckoo for democracy, as it were. 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.940 So anyway, it's a pleasure to be here this morning. And yeah, 00:02:01.100 --> 00:02:03.300 anything you want to ask, fire away. 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:08.880 Sure. And this doesn't need to be a formal interview. 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.980 We can do a sort of conversation, but I'll start off with a few things. 00:02:12.860 --> 00:02:16.320 First of all, I will mention, and I don't know if you know this, 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:21.440 Monica, but you are the second elector we had on the show. 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:32.680 Because we had on Chiafalo when he was doing his sort of rogue elector faithless 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.560 stuff and the Supreme Court case. We talked to him after the Supreme Court case as well. 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.780 And now your situation was a little bit different. 00:02:40.660 --> 00:02:43.440 You did not go rogue, I don't believe. 00:02:43.860 --> 00:02:49.460 No, no. And the staff that worked very hard and treated us very nicely, 00:02:49.460 --> 00:02:52.680 was very, very grateful for the lack of drama. 00:02:53.460 --> 00:03:04.440 So, the gallery was substantially not as full as it was in 2016, according to staff. 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:09.280 And I think that's because, again, the lack of drama. And, of course, 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:12.180 the result was not as we had hoped. 00:03:12.440 --> 00:03:16.120 Well, Monica, one question. You talked about the lack of drama. 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:21.540 We've been talking a little bit about this in recent weeks with people's reaction 00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:24.100 to the recent election results. 00:03:24.340 --> 00:03:30.900 And I guess, I mean, is that your feeling like right now in terms of emotionally 00:03:30.900 --> 00:03:36.260 that a lot of people are just, I mean, they're like, just, okay, I'm done. 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:44.900 Well, there are people who have more than rung the alarm bell for years and years and years. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:46.640 Us here. 00:03:47.140 --> 00:03:50.740 Right, right. And black women, and I know a lot of black women in person, 00:03:50.920 --> 00:03:56.180 not your wife, Representative Donaghy, but who just basically decided, you know what? 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.780 I'm going to live my best life. I'm going to sip the tea while Rome is burning. 00:04:00.040 --> 00:04:04.540 And you know what? They have absolutely earned it because I feel like my demographic 00:04:04.540 --> 00:04:08.400 has just been a bunch of, I freely cop to it. 00:04:08.540 --> 00:04:14.940 We're quizlings. We have voted for the wrong side, at least according to me, 00:04:15.760 --> 00:04:21.760 the side that is the autocratic, oligarchic side in the last three elections. 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:26.100 And that is just really breathtaking. 00:04:26.980 --> 00:04:28.860 You're talking white women specifically. 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:29.500 Yeah, white women. 00:04:29.740 --> 00:04:29.960 Yeah. 00:04:30.540 --> 00:04:35.120 And it's just, it's very, very annoying and very, very aggravating. 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:40.480 So, but I can see it's been, yeah, it's been a drama. 00:04:40.780 --> 00:04:47.600 And we have a whole generation of younger people, especially who didn't have the luxury of, 00:04:48.290 --> 00:04:51.910 our generation did of say a fairness doctrine press. 00:04:51.910 --> 00:04:56.830 So my god yeah i forgot about that there is a post-fairness. 00:04:56.830 --> 00:05:00.090 Doctrine press there is 24 7 news there 00:05:00.090 --> 00:05:06.330 is misinformation and misinformation being spread all over in all sorts of different 00:05:06.330 --> 00:05:13.150 ways you know slice dice whatever and and i i'm afraid that the kids kids you 00:05:13.150 --> 00:05:17.110 know i mean they're adults but you know to me they're kids they're kids with 00:05:17.110 --> 00:05:18.390 a 28 year old daughter right. 00:05:18.390 --> 00:05:21.410 But let me tell you something there are more 00:05:21.410 --> 00:05:24.590 kids than we were and i you know 00:05:24.590 --> 00:05:27.310 i don't know what why we have done 00:05:27.310 --> 00:05:30.210 this but i was having this discussion 00:05:30.210 --> 00:05:33.590 with somebody that that i that i know that their their daughter 00:05:33.590 --> 00:05:36.450 is like 15 and they were asking about 00:05:36.450 --> 00:05:39.590 going on their first trip by themselves right because they 00:05:39.590 --> 00:05:42.590 had and at the end that they were scared of doing that and i'm remembering 00:05:42.590 --> 00:05:45.490 that shit i was well define trip i was go to 00:05:45.490 --> 00:05:48.530 i i'm from puerto rico i went to new york by my 00:05:48.530 --> 00:05:51.690 i went to washington dc basically with one chaperone 00:05:51.690 --> 00:05:54.750 that we never saw for like a couple a couple of weeks okay 00:05:54.750 --> 00:06:00.250 all right to row amazing actually like 13 14 you know i was 13 14 and i'm like 00:06:00.250 --> 00:06:04.050 and that and that wasn't you know i remember amongst my generation i'm like 00:06:04.050 --> 00:06:09.070 the fullest closure i'm like what 50 gen x i'm 54 i'm dumb on now not yet i'm 00:06:09.070 --> 00:06:14.650 turning 54 in february let me not get out of myself not yet but i do that on. 00:06:14.650 --> 00:06:15.910 The age the. 00:06:15.910 --> 00:06:23.010 One yeah but but that wasn't that uncommon back then it happened a lot it's 00:06:23.010 --> 00:06:27.410 not like it's all and if somebody heard that it happened or like oh okay they 00:06:27.410 --> 00:06:32.330 weren't teenagers they went on a trip to you know whatever and now it's like, 00:06:34.310 --> 00:06:36.990 they they man i mean we barely let them out of 00:06:36.990 --> 00:06:39.670 the house i mean let me let me pull us 00:06:39.670 --> 00:06:43.010 back for a second for pull us back yeah but but going back 00:06:43.010 --> 00:06:47.010 to to this young generation specifically you were talking about and what you 00:06:47.010 --> 00:06:51.370 know but that they're kids i i do think that in certain terms and i've seen 00:06:51.370 --> 00:06:55.690 especially sometimes in just the perspectives that they carry sometimes i i 00:06:55.690 --> 00:07:01.730 feel like i i don't know it does feel like we've we've turned them more into kids than they used to be. 00:07:01.730 --> 00:07:05.890 I'm not so worried about them. I mean, they care. That's important. 00:07:06.170 --> 00:07:07.350 Oh yeah, they care. Totally. 00:07:08.110 --> 00:07:14.390 The thing that worries me is just, there's not as much, what do we say? 00:07:14.530 --> 00:07:20.490 I think we have this fire hose of information and very poorly, 00:07:20.790 --> 00:07:24.910 relatively poorly developed tools of what I like to call discernment and critical 00:07:24.910 --> 00:07:29.690 thinking skills so that we can, so that younger set especially, 00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:31.630 and some of the older set, frankly. 00:07:31.950 --> 00:07:32.430 A lot of them. 00:07:33.050 --> 00:07:38.950 Yeah, I was just talking to my wife, who was referring to, she had had a, 00:07:39.010 --> 00:07:44.010 you know, a conversation with somebody she knew from way back, who was talking about, 00:07:44.330 --> 00:07:49.230 you know, the presidential race and things they'd heard about, you know, 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:55.200 Harris being the border czar and all this, which wasn't true at all. It never happened. 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:59.400 But they were convinced. They were absolutely convinced. Well, I heard it. 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:06.260 And yeah, so it's definitely a thing. 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.740 I mean, Yvonne and I have talked about this on here quite a few times in terms 00:08:09.740 --> 00:08:15.080 of the information environment and how uninformed lots of people are and information 00:08:15.080 --> 00:08:16.780 silos and all this kind of stuff. 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.480 But I do want to pull us back real quick to the other thing. 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.480 And then maybe we can talk about other stuff for a little bit. 00:08:21.880 --> 00:08:27.120 But back in 2016, I went to the 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:31.080 state convention and witnessed some of how electors were picked back then. 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:33.620 And I had some thoughts. 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:38.780 But how were you picked this time around? 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:45.580 And has the process changed at all? What do you think about the process to actually choose electors? 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.440 Because, you know, obviously in 2016, we ended up with a bunch of faithless 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:50.840 electors here in Washington state. 00:08:51.220 --> 00:08:51.340 Oh, four. 00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:57.640 Yes. Well, that's a bunch. That's like one of the biggest number of faithless electors ever. 00:08:57.760 --> 00:09:00.980 That will be a third because there were 12 electors. 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:05.840 So if that was still the same number of electors, that is a third of the body that would be there. 00:09:05.920 --> 00:09:10.800 So have they changed anything in the intervening years? And specifically, 00:09:10.860 --> 00:09:13.440 how was it done for you? How did you get this part? 00:09:13.620 --> 00:09:20.180 This was actually pretty chill. The state committee had us, if we wanted to, 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:23.780 write a bio or a statement of Canada to see that sort of thing. 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:27.340 It's just like you're running for an office or an e-board position or anything like that. 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:34.660 And I actually wound up penning mine on the anniversary of the Dobbs decision. 00:09:35.400 --> 00:09:39.360 So I kind of used that as a springboard, you know. 00:09:40.160 --> 00:09:43.560 So I thought, I tried to, I tried to write something that pulls people in, 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:46.920 you know, kind of gets them their thinking rather than, oh, I'm blah, 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.160 blah, blah, you know, that sort of, sort of thing. 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.780 Something that has some gravitas and some meat for them. 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:55.240 But the, the CD one, that's the first congressional district, 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.780 the one that I live in, that was pretty, pretty interesting because I didn't 00:09:59.780 --> 00:10:04.720 realize at the time that I wrote, I wrote my statement of candidacy and I was, 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.420 thought I was speaking to all of the state committee members who are going to decide. 00:10:08.420 --> 00:10:14.500 And what really happened was it was the state committee members of that specific 00:10:14.500 --> 00:10:15.520 congressional district. 00:10:15.860 --> 00:10:21.740 So there was a grand total of five of them who decided who was going to be the 00:10:21.740 --> 00:10:25.760 elector and who was going to be the alternate. and there weren't really a whole 00:10:25.760 --> 00:10:26.900 heck of a lot of candidates. 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:33.000 I think there were like three of us and the CD2 one, that was my former district 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.040 that I got to redistrict from and that was a pretty, 00:10:37.260 --> 00:10:42.200 I wouldn't say contentious race, but it definitely had a lot of candidates going for those two spots. 00:10:42.420 --> 00:10:45.820 So that would be like the elector and the alternate and there were some other 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:47.420 at-large positions as well. 00:10:47.580 --> 00:10:55.320 I think CD2 is the one that wound up with an elector, one of the at-large alternates came from CD2. 00:10:55.540 --> 00:11:00.560 So that's a pretty important congressional district as far as representation. 00:11:01.820 --> 00:11:07.900 But yeah, the state committee members of the congressional district are the 00:11:07.900 --> 00:11:11.920 ones that select the electors for that to represent their congressional districts. 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:15.160 And then there's some statewide, the at-large ones, right? 00:11:15.160 --> 00:11:16.060 Yeah, at-large, yeah. 00:11:16.300 --> 00:11:19.980 Like in 2016, the at-large ones were picked at the convention, 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.840 at the state convention. Is that what happened this year as well? 00:11:23.520 --> 00:11:27.020 No, that was different. It was all one meeting, all one process. 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.180 I'm trying to remember how long it took. Maybe a couple hours, 00:11:31.640 --> 00:11:32.820 something like that. Yeah. 00:11:33.640 --> 00:11:35.580 Yeah, no, that sounds good. 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:37.320 But it was all amazing. 00:11:38.140 --> 00:11:40.160 But this year, no drama versus. 00:11:40.300 --> 00:11:45.760 Yeah, the process at the convention in 2016 was the one that really baffled 00:11:45.760 --> 00:11:47.560 me. It was just so chaotic. 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.600 There were people running for it who didn't know what they were running for. 00:11:52.780 --> 00:11:55.640 There were people voting for it who didn't know what they were voting for. 00:11:55.940 --> 00:12:02.360 It was just nuts. and yeah so um so what was the actual experience of being 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.940 an elector like you know obviously harris won washington state. 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:08.080 And therefore. 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:13.820 You got to vote but how did how what what are the logistics of of being in this 00:12:13.820 --> 00:12:18.880 position finding out like where you go win and blah blah. 00:12:18.880 --> 00:12:25.700 Blah so the staff was was very good so there was a point of contact and stewart 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:29.200 jensen reached out to everybody so you know stew basically this. 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.460 Are these like representatives of the actual state or. 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:35.360 The democratic party or these are actually 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.740 folks with the secretary of state's office so this is all steve 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:41.460 hobbs is good and yeah so steve was 00:12:41.460 --> 00:12:47.520 there and that was great and anyway let's see so yeah stew you know called all 00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:51.920 the electors and you know made sure that we have like you know the per diem 00:12:51.920 --> 00:12:56.220 expense things which i just finally filled out yesterday and you know because 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:59.220 you You get like a podium for the hotel, 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:01.760 if you so choose, meals, if you so choose. 00:13:01.940 --> 00:13:04.500 Because you all have to drive into the state capital or whatever. 00:13:04.820 --> 00:13:10.240 Right. And then, you know, if I came from, I don't know, Walla Walla or Spokane, 00:13:10.400 --> 00:13:11.480 I could have flown in maybe. 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.860 So that would be airfare as well. 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:17.260 I can't remember. I think they did rental cars, but I can't remember. 00:13:18.160 --> 00:13:22.140 But, yeah, you get that information. You get the paperwork. And it's all very 00:13:22.140 --> 00:13:23.520 professional and interesting. 00:13:24.800 --> 00:13:29.740 Yeah, just very, very, very, very good. And at the parking pass, 00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:33.800 you go in and they had somebody there out there. 00:13:33.980 --> 00:13:37.580 It was raining like crazy all that whole time. 00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:41.400 And she's out there with this humongous golf umbrella, Hannah was, 00:13:41.540 --> 00:13:45.020 to make sure that we were parking in the proper place. Everybody was terribly good. 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:47.420 And you physically did it at the state capitol building? 00:13:47.420 --> 00:13:51.180 Yeah. So it was really awesome. I mean, I'll never be able to park that close 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:52.760 to the state capitol ever again. 00:13:54.680 --> 00:13:56.080 Unless you're going to be an elector again. 00:13:56.540 --> 00:14:00.580 Right. Right. Well, you know, I would love to be able to be an elector and elect 00:14:00.580 --> 00:14:04.500 the first liberal democratic woman president. 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:06.660 I qualify. 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:09.920 So 00:14:09.920 --> 00:14:11.800 Yeah well man. 00:14:11.800 --> 00:14:13.800 Feels like. 00:14:13.800 --> 00:14:14.820 I mean it. 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:21.520 And and i have to do i and i'm gonna i'm going to segue a little bit okay well we're. 00:14:21.520 --> 00:14:22.480 Good at segueing here. 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.100 This is this is the this is the trademark of this show they segue i mean just 00:14:26.100 --> 00:14:31.940 completely go off the yeah yeah my personal feeling is that the two women who 00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:37.620 have been the Democratic nominees were in a position where they were almost set up to fail. 00:14:39.160 --> 00:14:43.400 You look at the fella from, I think, St. Louis who had those 13 factors. 00:14:43.640 --> 00:14:47.360 One of the most interesting things he put in for Hillary Clinton in particular 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:55.220 is how difficult it is for a person of the same party to win a third in a row election. 00:14:55.880 --> 00:15:00.040 That was a big thing. And beyond all the other stuff, she's still pretty much, 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:04.820 I mean, if we had gotten rid of the Electoral College, she would have won. No questions. 00:15:05.760 --> 00:15:09.300 This thing with Kamala Harris is... 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:16.420 She had less than 120 days to campaign, fewer than 120 days to campaign. 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:26.200 Yeah, she went at it like gangbusters, but it was so quick, and there really 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.620 just wasn't, I don't think, enough time. 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:33.400 And frankly, if I were in a swing state and I got barraged with all that stuff, 00:15:33.540 --> 00:15:36.020 I probably would have been very tempted to just tune out. 00:15:36.020 --> 00:15:38.760 You know well and you know and you 00:15:38.760 --> 00:15:42.100 know in the end it's perceived as like you know 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:45.100 a a big loss simply because 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:51.240 well a it's winner take all in these things uh and and also you know hey she 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:57.720 lost all seven of the swing states but six of those seven were very close you 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:02.220 know it would have only taken a relatively small number of changed votes for 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:04.520 her to win if you look at popular vote. 00:16:04.680 --> 00:16:06.940 It was the closest in like forever. 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.180 Um, you know, so it, it actually was a close race. 00:16:11.380 --> 00:16:14.800 She almost pulled it off, but not quite. 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.460 And there, there are all kinds of things you can point to her. 00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:20.040 We we've had arguments on here about various factors. 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.360 I think we're there and we don't necessarily have to rehash those now, 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:28.900 but the, but she was close and any one of a number of things changed. 00:16:29.180 --> 00:16:33.560 She could have pulled it off, but she didn't. Um, and that's where we are. 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.720 Well, one thing is that... 00:16:36.520 --> 00:16:42.160 Globally and this is not just here i was discussing this repeatedly but there's 00:16:42.160 --> 00:16:52.160 this entire anti-incumbency thing that isn't just here and and it's an entire 00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:54.240 mistrust actually did of and. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:17:02.060 And she actually did better than any other major country election for the how much was lost by the. 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:05.160 Incumbent party. 00:17:05.340 --> 00:17:05.440 Yeah. 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:10.580 Yeah, and it's just, and there is this, you know, we're talking a little bit 00:17:10.580 --> 00:17:14.380 about information, how people are receiving information and so forth and so on. 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:24.220 And there is this entire problem with this reality where facts don't matter 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:28.140 anymore to a lot of people. It doesn't matter. 00:17:28.540 --> 00:17:30.660 It doesn't matter. You can, you can. 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:31.160 It's reality. 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:37.460 I mean, man, come on. We got flat earthers walking around like right now. Okay. 00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:43.080 At this point in time in history, I mean, we got pictures from the moon of the 00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:47.240 earth showing you how it's round that you can prove they are from the moon. 00:17:47.580 --> 00:17:52.220 And they still believe on flat earth. These guys are using satellites. 00:17:52.800 --> 00:17:57.580 Okay. That couldn't operate most of the time if the earth wasn't round. 00:17:57.580 --> 00:18:01.120 Or if the earth don't understand hey why 00:18:01.120 --> 00:18:04.160 do we need so many of them well because the earth is 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.960 round it's not flat so that's 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:15.540 why you can't see them it doesn't matter it doesn't matter i mean you can show 00:18:15.540 --> 00:18:25.360 people hey all these people were saved by these vaccines look we had we had kids' cemeteries. 00:18:25.620 --> 00:18:27.220 We used, this was a thing. 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:32.180 You know, where we saved all these lives. Eh, whatever. 00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:38.360 Or my layperson's research is worth more than your professional expertise. 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:43.260 Absolutely. Absolutely. I was telling Sam, and I know he's bored to death about 00:18:43.260 --> 00:18:48.980 this, about the drama that I had at our condo board here, where I was in charge 00:18:48.980 --> 00:18:51.360 for, was president for a long time. 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:58.780 And that, you know, people were complaining about excessive dues and whatever. 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:02.840 And I could show, I told the people I felt like Biden because I could show them 00:19:02.840 --> 00:19:04.760 that, hey, five years, the last 00:19:04.760 --> 00:19:09.680 five years, average condo dues in South Florida where I live are up 60%. 00:19:10.260 --> 00:19:14.580 Ours are only up 30, okay, versus an average of 60. 00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:20.220 And oh, by the way, we spent millions fixing stuff during that time. 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:27.740 And your condo dues are up half the half the median and they're like ah we need 00:19:27.740 --> 00:19:30.700 to get rid of you i'm like uh fine. 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:31.480 Be my guest. 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:38.260 I i'm like and and that's how i feel yeah i i you know what the thing is i actually 00:19:38.260 --> 00:19:41.900 won the election but i got so fed up with the attacks i resigned because i just 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:47.900 couldn't take it anymore i just i i just i just getting they get these people 00:19:47.900 --> 00:19:50.380 they get they don't talk to you. 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:53.060 They don't look at the facts, and then they get personal and start attacking 00:19:53.060 --> 00:19:55.220 you like you're a crook, you're a thief. 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.840 We're going to investigate you all. And it's like, 00:19:58.650 --> 00:20:02.670 Oh, and here was a crazy tidbit. One of the guys that led this. 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:04.110 You see what this is? 00:20:04.390 --> 00:20:10.550 Oh, this is the bizarre thing. He works on his law firm. 00:20:10.750 --> 00:20:14.530 He works on this law firm. You, for some reason, like, pooh-poohed this fact. 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:18.650 He works for an attorney that was one of the biggest defendants of J6ers. 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:19.830 Really? 00:20:20.130 --> 00:20:23.290 Yes. Now, that's what we actually expected from him, but he was like. 00:20:23.350 --> 00:20:23.650 Huh? 00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:28.270 I was like, yeah, whatever. He was one of the guys. And I'm like, 00:20:28.390 --> 00:20:29.310 I'm not I'm not understanding. 00:20:29.510 --> 00:20:33.290 Why is why am I explaining facts to this guy? He doesn't listen to anything. 00:20:33.650 --> 00:20:38.910 And I saw his law firm. And then I click on the link and I see the attorney that he works for. 00:20:39.510 --> 00:20:42.390 And I see it. I'm like, all of a sudden, oh, shit, look at this. 00:20:42.710 --> 00:20:47.370 He is a big he's a guy that's defended the most J6ers. This is how this all adds up. 00:20:47.370 --> 00:20:51.270 Well, I mean, as a legal professional myself, theoretically, 00:20:51.390 --> 00:20:59.150 you do have a duty as an attorney to make sure that people get quality representation. 00:20:59.770 --> 00:21:03.650 And if that were the thing, great. 00:21:03.990 --> 00:21:09.130 But if it were a situation where, hey, I really think these guys are great, then yeah. 00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:11.970 No, this guy thought they're great. These. 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:14.610 Well, they're not. Yeah. 00:21:14.950 --> 00:21:19.550 And it's like, you know, he really is all in for quality representation. 00:21:19.770 --> 00:21:23.050 You know, one thing, there's something, man, now I got to look up. 00:21:23.210 --> 00:21:25.550 I can't remember the attorney's name, but there was one thing that was very 00:21:25.550 --> 00:21:29.310 interesting. He had a hearing where he was representing 16 of them in one place, 00:21:29.310 --> 00:21:31.310 and he did not show up to the hearing. 00:21:32.030 --> 00:21:34.650 Hmm. Interesting if you were an attorney, because I knew there are a lot of, 00:21:34.790 --> 00:21:37.670 I shouldn't say a lot of, there are some people who pose as attorneys. 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:40.690 No, no, this guy is actually an attorney. And I looked above, 00:21:40.810 --> 00:21:43.570 he had actually been part of a law firm where they threw him out, 00:21:44.090 --> 00:21:46.410 financial, you know, financial issues. 00:21:46.550 --> 00:21:48.970 One of his law firms went under, then he started another one. 00:21:49.790 --> 00:21:53.650 It's, but, but it's this entire, what I, what I always, what, 00:21:53.750 --> 00:21:57.190 what I always brought that up as an example is, is because I see this everywhere. 00:21:57.270 --> 00:22:01.050 It's, it's like the anger level, man, whether you're driving, 00:22:01.390 --> 00:22:05.450 whether you're, at school, how teachers get attacked by people, nurses, 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:12.150 principals, hospital administrators, the rage at airports, airlines, 00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:14.690 all of this. I keep seeing this. 00:22:14.830 --> 00:22:18.790 It's like, this is really permeated. It's not just the elections. 00:22:19.030 --> 00:22:25.790 It's permeated through society in general and even globally for crisis. 00:22:25.950 --> 00:22:32.650 It's not just here because these people are bent on certain. it's not just the U.S. 00:22:34.230 --> 00:22:36.990 It's a global thing that they're trying to work. 00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:40.650 One of the reasons I got involved in democratic politics to begin with was because 00:22:40.650 --> 00:22:46.890 I saw this wave of nationalistic populism and it scared the bejesus out of me. 00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:47.370 Yeah. 00:22:47.690 --> 00:22:51.870 You know, Assad, Duterte. It's like, people were like, what's he going to do 00:22:51.870 --> 00:22:54.470 if, you know, if Donald Trump becomes president? I said, well, 00:22:54.510 --> 00:22:55.790 all you have to do is look at the Philippines. 00:22:56.190 --> 00:23:02.730 That's what's going to happen. And now I think it's like his son and Aquino's 00:23:02.730 --> 00:23:05.610 daughter or something like that, they're ruling over there. 00:23:06.350 --> 00:23:10.810 And what's his name? Maduro, who is basically Chavez 2.0. 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:16.690 And the AF Day, who Elon Musk is plumping for? 00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:17.270 Yeah. 00:23:17.350 --> 00:23:20.850 I mean, alternative for Deutschland. And you're going, what the hell? 00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:25.290 Maloney and you've got Le Pen in France. 00:23:25.290 --> 00:23:31.490 Yeah, La Pena France, who's decided to make her party a kinder and gentler looking no-death valet. 00:23:32.390 --> 00:23:37.410 Valet in Argentina. We had Bolsonaro, who got voted out. It's just all over the place. 00:23:37.730 --> 00:23:41.490 Now, one thing I will say that the Latin American ones, you know, I'm... 00:23:42.860 --> 00:23:46.180 The one thing is that they all are authoritarian. 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:51.860 They all grab at whether it's right-wing ideology or left-wing ideology, 00:23:51.860 --> 00:23:59.140 but the whole desire of these people is to be an oligarchy, to enrich themselves in one way or another. 00:23:59.140 --> 00:24:03.340 There is no altruistic thing about helping my people. 00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:08.540 They really disdain a lot of the supporters that they have, but to them, 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.220 they are useful idiots and they go around and just, you know, 00:24:13.040 --> 00:24:17.980 well, think about, for example, oh, we're going to give tax breaks to the rich 00:24:17.980 --> 00:24:19.860 and the Affordable Care Act. 00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:23.920 Like, who are the people that benefit the most from this? 00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:28.680 Most of their voters. and and they are just like yeah yeah yeah we need you 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:34.660 to go in there with like take about i'm like uh today what do you what are you doing but i. 00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:37.800 Well no it's basically a situation where 00:24:37.800 --> 00:24:44.000 whoever what i say whoever talks the loudest and the longest yes needs to have 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:49.840 the the floor and the yeah and the locks you're talking about how the anger 00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:55.940 in the world well this of course started before Trump and before COVID, but I think COVID, 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:03.000 four years, three, four years of COVID has basically exacerbated what was already a poor situation. 00:25:03.220 --> 00:25:08.780 And I have to say the isolation, while necessary, turned a lot of us feral. 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.240 So we're still, I think, trying to, 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:21.900 I guess, suss out and navigate how to deal with each other in a one-on-one interpersonal 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:27.680 in you know physical environment and oh that was the other thing I wanted to 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.160 circle back to is that COVID I mean, 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.820 To be really bluntly honest, if COVID hadn't have broken out and gotten as bad 00:25:35.820 --> 00:25:39.500 as it had, I think we would be looking at the end of the second Trump presidency. 00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:40.240 I agree with you. 00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:40.860 I think you're absolutely right. 00:25:40.860 --> 00:25:41.700 I totally agree with you. 00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:48.720 And that was a big factor. I think people forgot how bad it was because a lot 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:50.800 of people just had the attention span of a gnat. 00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:54.700 Oh, yeah. Like, you see so many interviews. 00:25:54.740 --> 00:25:58.080 You're a woman after my own heart. Yes, that's exactly the reality. 00:25:58.280 --> 00:25:59.180 They don't remember anything. 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:02.880 So they don't remember anything and they misattribute where it was from. 00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:07.980 You talk about like, like if you even ask people about like the pandemic, 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:11.240 they associate it with Biden, not, you know. 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.280 And Trump cut those checks out of his own. 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:20.960 Oh yeah, absolutely. And like, and to be fair, the highest spike of the, 00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:25.300 of the pandemic did occur at the beginning of the Biden administration. 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.200 But there are things like people associate one of the, the anecdotes I heard 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.380 that was, first of all, absolutely right. 00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:36.060 They thought that these were personal checks from Donald Trump, 00:26:36.280 --> 00:26:43.300 but also a lot of the COVID aid ended during Biden's administration. 00:26:43.540 --> 00:26:47.620 Now, the actual reality is the Democrats wanted to keep it, keep the aid going 00:26:47.620 --> 00:26:50.540 longer and the Republicans wanted to kill it. 00:26:50.620 --> 00:26:55.480 But people blame the fact that their aid ended on biden because. 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:55.880 He was. 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.020 President when it happened you know and. 00:26:59.020 --> 00:27:02.320 Similarly they were saying that they needed to end the aid and the act. 00:27:02.320 --> 00:27:11.820 That's 2018 i mean that 2018 congress really did a lot of good i think and really 00:27:11.820 --> 00:27:16.680 it's 2026 gang and i i get a little impatient with people who are talking about 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.060 2028 now and i'm thinking, 00:27:18.810 --> 00:27:24.050 You don't understand, gang, if we don't have a 2018 level retake of the House, 00:27:24.270 --> 00:27:30.430 there will not be a 2026 that's worth, you know, that's actually competitive, shall we say. 00:27:31.350 --> 00:27:34.990 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You mean 2028, if not 2026. 00:27:35.270 --> 00:27:38.770 But I will tell you one factor, another one, not just the pandemic, 00:27:39.010 --> 00:27:42.130 but the one that everybody's memories are terrible, which it was the one, 00:27:42.270 --> 00:27:48.210 the inflation, which is the one that really, look, inflation historically has upended governments. 00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:52.250 This is this goes back, you know, go back to the Weimar Republic in Germany, 00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:56.010 for God's sakes, you know, how they got appended after World War I because inflation 00:27:56.010 --> 00:28:00.250 was completely out of control, you know, and, you know, and Carter, 00:28:00.570 --> 00:28:04.810 you know, I mean, Jimmy Carter, one of the things that that that in his administration, 00:28:05.150 --> 00:28:09.590 you know, inflation was was, you know, raging as well. 00:28:09.590 --> 00:28:15.830 And that was one of the factors that really threw his administration into problems 00:28:15.830 --> 00:28:20.630 because of inflation and how interest rates were rising at the time and so forth. 00:28:20.770 --> 00:28:26.870 I mean, that was definitely a big factor. But they go on to blame Biden also for the inflation. 00:28:26.870 --> 00:28:32.850 And the reality is I kept talking to Sam during 2020, and Trump's still present during the pandemic. 00:28:32.850 --> 00:28:39.350 I, I, I'm one that I used to import a lot of containers from China during that 00:28:39.350 --> 00:28:41.930 time. So the business that I, that I was managing at the time. 00:28:42.510 --> 00:28:46.290 And the thing is that typical container right before the pandemic would cost 00:28:46.290 --> 00:28:50.210 me about $4,000 to ship something from China to, to, to anywhere, 00:28:50.390 --> 00:28:52.350 to, to anywhere in the Americas for the most part. 00:28:53.070 --> 00:29:00.830 And all of a sudden I'm seeing shipping costs go like north of 20,000 a container, 25,000 a container. 00:29:00.830 --> 00:29:01.030 Please. 00:29:01.550 --> 00:29:06.450 And I'm, I'm, I'm going and I'm like shortages of everything and shortages of everything. 00:29:06.570 --> 00:29:09.990 So, so all of a sudden, you know, I'm getting demanded more money for, 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:11.750 for anything that we're buying. 00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:16.010 And I'm like realizing, okay, so that didn't translate to consumer prices immediately, 00:29:16.010 --> 00:29:18.590 but look, it's, these are all leading factors. 00:29:18.950 --> 00:29:22.970 And it's like that entire wave started during that moment. 00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:25.770 It was like, it was during the pandemic. It's when 00:29:25.770 --> 00:29:31.170 it started and then it's so difficult to explain to people well where the hell 00:29:31.170 --> 00:29:34.350 is that inflation coming from and i'm like start blaming biden for the damn 00:29:34.350 --> 00:29:40.450 inflation when i mean it was a pandemic induced inflation that there was all 00:29:40.450 --> 00:29:45.170 what what the biden administration do is manage it better than every other country in the world, 00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:46.800 That's the reality. 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.020 And the world sees it, but the 00:29:49.020 --> 00:29:52.400 people in our country, definitely in the heartland, don't seem to see it. 00:29:52.620 --> 00:29:56.480 And I wouldn't call it so much inflation as greedflation. 00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:00.700 Well, but part of it, look, I'm a business guy. Look, supply and demand, 00:30:00.840 --> 00:30:06.740 look, when you've got everybody angling to get a container, to put it on a ship, 00:30:06.760 --> 00:30:10.400 and you're desperate, you're going to start bidding up the prices. 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:17.720 It's just, hey, you've got – and it was crazy. I mean, the backup at the ports turned insanity. 00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:21.260 I couldn't find where the hell my damn shipments were. The people couldn't find 00:30:21.260 --> 00:30:24.260 them because they said, listen, the port is complete. We don't know where the 00:30:24.260 --> 00:30:25.560 hell these containers are. 00:30:26.540 --> 00:30:30.120 They wouldn't wind up. There were so many of them. One of them wound up tracking. 00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:33.800 Oh, yeah, we dropped it off at the wrong country. I'm like, I'll get the hell out of here. No. 00:30:34.340 --> 00:30:34.660 Wow. 00:30:35.060 --> 00:30:37.300 The container. Well, yeah, it was supposed to be in Argentina. 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:38.860 Yeah, yeah. We dropped it off in Brazil. 00:30:39.100 --> 00:30:44.420 Sorry. We're going to have it. I'm like, oh, come on, guys. You guys are killing me. OK. Okay. 00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:50.280 And, but look, one of the things about it, there is part of it that of course, 00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:53.720 you know, like everything, some people will take advantage of their monopoly 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.180 situations in order to also increase prices. 00:30:56.300 --> 00:31:00.820 That, that is always a certainty is why monopolies are bad is why oligarchies are bad. 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:06.160 It's why you always been a regulated capital capitalist, because I don't believe 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.500 that unregulated markets always tend to monopolies period. 00:31:09.860 --> 00:31:12.900 And the end of story there. It's just, that's just the fact. 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:13.460 Okay. 00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:18.400 And so but but you had a lot of real factors where you had shortages of stuff. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.120 You've got other stuff. And economics, unfortunately, those will drive up prices. 00:31:22.280 --> 00:31:25.800 And the other problem is that you start putting in artificial price controls. 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.300 What happens is people say, well, OK, I'm not going to do anything because I'm 00:31:30.300 --> 00:31:32.540 not going to get paid. I'm going to start losing money because the other people 00:31:32.540 --> 00:31:33.800 are demanding more money from me. 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.320 And then you're telling me that I can't pay it for it. So the hell with it. 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:37.140 I'm not going to do anything. 00:31:37.770 --> 00:31:45.410 So it's always, during those times of peaks like that, it's always extremely complicated. 00:31:45.550 --> 00:31:48.550 But in the end, it happened in 2020 is my whole point. 00:31:48.890 --> 00:31:54.070 And everybody is like, no, it happened in 2020 and everybody's going, 00:31:54.150 --> 00:31:56.590 well, Biden is inflation. I'm like, oh, God. 00:31:57.330 --> 00:32:01.110 But that did not affect the price of eggs in this particular. 00:32:01.770 --> 00:32:06.630 Yes, the famous price of eggs, which, you know, I'm pretty sure that everybody 00:32:06.630 --> 00:32:11.070 complaining about the price of eggs had not bought a damn carton of eggs in recent memory. 00:32:11.330 --> 00:32:16.950 I saw someone who actually got out the actual, I think it was Jamie Belay, 00:32:17.150 --> 00:32:23.170 who's a columnist for New York Times on TikTok, but he got out a graph of the actual, like, 00:32:23.730 --> 00:32:26.670 stats on the price of eggs over the last few years. 00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:33.230 And there was a pandemic-related spike. And then it went way back down again. 00:32:33.430 --> 00:32:38.770 And then in 2024, earlier in the year, there was another spike due to bird flu, 00:32:38.930 --> 00:32:42.770 where egg prices went up for a little bit. 00:32:43.010 --> 00:32:47.470 But it actually didn't last very long and was well on the way back down again. 00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:50.970 And you still had a situation where by the time we got to the election, 00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:54.370 were eggs higher than they were four years ago? 00:32:54.590 --> 00:32:57.830 Yes, but they were way down from the peak. but people don't 00:32:57.830 --> 00:33:01.250 like recognize that and the story sticks 00:33:01.250 --> 00:33:04.050 now now i i promise we can get back 00:33:04.050 --> 00:33:08.810 to talking about other stuff but i i did want to let monica finish her story 00:33:08.810 --> 00:33:13.470 of the actual being an elector i'm sorry we totally went off oh yeah she got 00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:20.630 oh it's okay it's okay but she we got we went on a tangent oh you you had gotten 00:33:20.630 --> 00:33:23.830 as far as parking in the parking lot And she got in. 00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:24.790 Yes. Okay. 00:33:26.050 --> 00:33:28.790 It's beautiful. They've decorated it for Christmas. You know, 00:33:28.850 --> 00:33:32.010 there's like, what, marble and everything. And it's gorgeous. 00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:33.850 And they lead you into the Senate chamber. 00:33:34.310 --> 00:33:37.130 And the Senate chamber is very intimate, actually. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.100 You have your desk and the desk has the, you know, the very nice blue, 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.580 you know, what, like your certificate and your, 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:53.340 oh shoot, I should have, actually I sent these I think to Brandy and some folks 00:33:53.340 --> 00:33:57.580 where the actual certificate of, yeah, the electors are, you know, 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.880 where you, you know, sign for the vice and the sign for the president. 00:34:01.620 --> 00:34:07.800 And the pen is like just like a it's a ballpoint pen but this like has like the white quill on it, 00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:12.800 i have since misplaced that pen and i'm a little pissed about it i think it 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.560 fell out of something or other because i didn't have a proper portfolio i mean 00:34:15.560 --> 00:34:18.420 this was like a big old what at least, 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.460 11 and a half by 14 sort of nice portfolio you know cool you know whole paper 00:34:24.460 --> 00:34:27.580 thing that they put in there you know hard paper so i have to figure out okay 00:34:27.580 --> 00:34:30.660 how do i get that you know nicely framed or where am I going to stick that? 00:34:31.080 --> 00:34:36.720 Now, my friend, Jack Aaron's a blessed memory. He was the elector last time for CD2. 00:34:37.520 --> 00:34:42.340 I don't know where he did it, but he had his whole elector shtick nicely framed 00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:44.240 and everything he had in his foyer. It was beautiful. 00:34:44.540 --> 00:34:48.160 But yeah, you had the certificate that you're an elector. You've got another 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:49.280 beautiful certificate. 00:34:50.240 --> 00:34:55.160 You sign the ballots, the nice ballots that they collect. And those are the 00:34:55.160 --> 00:34:59.100 ballots that are going to go into the boxes that you saw the girls have to, 00:34:59.100 --> 00:35:04.100 you know, tote away from the Senate chamber to get rid of the insurrectionists. 00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:07.500 Right, on January 6th when they saved the ballots or whatever. 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:13.480 And then there were, I want to say, six copies that we would sign, 00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:18.140 and those would go to different places, among which would be the National Archives. 00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:23.750 And so I'm wondering, oh, gee, do I get to see my own signature if I go back to D.C. later on? 00:35:23.890 --> 00:35:25.370 Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah. 00:35:26.390 --> 00:35:31.690 And the final thing that we'd signed was a document signed by all of us that basically verified. 00:35:31.930 --> 00:35:35.690 And I think I've kind of lost track of where everything went. 00:35:36.030 --> 00:35:40.010 But, you know, Steve Hobbs, I'm sure, is on it. Maybe you can have him as a 00:35:40.010 --> 00:35:41.110 guest. That would be kind of cool. 00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:45.630 Maybe you get Brandy to say, hey, Steve. you. 00:35:45.630 --> 00:35:51.030 Know i i i've i've tried you know i've i've known you in person which is why 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:56.290 i felt comfortable asking you but you know we're a small tiny like personal podcast. 00:35:56.290 --> 00:35:57.510 So like i i. 00:35:57.510 --> 00:36:00.190 Haven't felt comfortable asking brandy hey can you get us. 00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:01.330 Guests that actually matter. 00:36:01.330 --> 00:36:05.670 Because i mean we've got like 50 people a week thanks for. 00:36:05.670 --> 00:36:06.710 Like dunking on. 00:36:06.710 --> 00:36:09.770 Monica sam really appreciate you know no no no no. 00:36:09.770 --> 00:36:10.950 You don't. 00:36:10.950 --> 00:36:12.970 Want to come out i mean you. 00:36:12.970 --> 00:36:15.950 Know that's what it's all about it's all about relationships and politics 00:36:15.950 --> 00:36:19.210 too i mean that's the thing i mean it's not the smoke-filled room 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:23.050 but it's also not i mean you're talking about people who are running to be an 00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:25.490 electorate who didn't know what they were running for and people didn't know 00:36:25.490 --> 00:36:30.750 what they were voting for and it is imperative i think upon the people if they 00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:35.290 want to be involved in the democracy You have to educate yourself and not assume 00:36:35.290 --> 00:36:38.090 that your internet research is going to save you. 00:36:38.290 --> 00:36:42.350 You have to ask questions. That's one of the things I did when I got involved. 00:36:42.490 --> 00:36:45.230 I asked questions of people who I might have called the old salts, 00:36:45.490 --> 00:36:49.070 folks that have been around, folks like Linda Toste-Lane, K.O. 00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:53.790 Cholanu, people have been Todd Nichols, professionals who have been involved 00:36:53.790 --> 00:36:57.610 for years and years and years. And, you know, let's see. 00:36:57.730 --> 00:37:00.090 Anyway, but going back to the thing. 00:37:00.310 --> 00:37:04.730 So when you come to the Senate chamber, very intimate space with the desks and all that stuff. 00:37:05.130 --> 00:37:08.710 And the gallery is on, you know, on one side and the other. 00:37:09.610 --> 00:37:12.850 The gallery didn't look too terribly big, actually. But, yeah, 00:37:13.030 --> 00:37:15.430 Shasti Conrad, the state chair, was there. 00:37:15.670 --> 00:37:18.370 And David Green, the vice chair, was there in the gallery. 00:37:18.670 --> 00:37:23.590 And some other folks that I didn't see. Like my first while colleague, 00:37:23.970 --> 00:37:28.090 Lynn Campbell, who is a Skagit County Dems chair, was up there in the gallery. 00:37:28.370 --> 00:37:33.010 And yeah, you cast your votes and you do the Pledge of Allegiance and they certify the minutes. 00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:38.010 Oh, and the guy actually, one of the people at the State, Secretariat of State's 00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:42.790 office, let me use the seal stamper. 00:37:43.590 --> 00:37:45.970 So, yeah, the official, I have a little thing that has, like, 00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:48.930 the official government seal or the state of steel. 00:37:49.130 --> 00:37:49.850 I love those. 00:37:50.310 --> 00:37:55.730 So, yeah, they use the seal for all of those things that we signed. And it's huge. 00:37:56.390 --> 00:37:57.270 It's a big one? 00:37:57.890 --> 00:37:58.290 Yeah. 00:37:58.630 --> 00:38:00.410 Awesome. I love these. 00:38:00.990 --> 00:38:03.930 And then I think the most awesome thing that I thought, though, 00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:08.750 was I looked up and around, so the Senate chamber is a square room, 00:38:08.890 --> 00:38:14.490 and around the ceiling, they have engraved each of the 39 counties' names. 00:38:15.430 --> 00:38:19.670 So that was interesting to see that. And, you know, I had to find Snohomish. 00:38:19.790 --> 00:38:21.730 And, of course, King is right up there by the dais. 00:38:22.530 --> 00:38:28.570 But Snohomish is, like, more towards the right side as you're looking at the dais. 00:38:29.770 --> 00:38:34.590 And we all had our, our microphones. So if we wanted to speak, we did. 00:38:34.710 --> 00:38:38.450 I really didn't think I was going to speak, but then everybody else did before 00:38:38.450 --> 00:38:41.070 me. So I'm like, oh, hell, I'm not going to be the only person who didn't speak. 00:38:41.550 --> 00:38:44.310 So I did. I said my bit and. 00:38:46.870 --> 00:38:51.290 Sam from the future here. I thought this would be an appropriate place to insert 00:38:51.290 --> 00:38:55.350 Monica's actual speech that she just talked about. So here it is. 00:38:56.130 --> 00:39:01.830 Monica Chilton First of all, thank you. Hi, my name is Monica Chilton. 00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:05.470 I am the elector for the First Congressional District. 00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:10.550 Thank you, Mr. Secretary of State. Thank you, Mr. Governor. 00:39:10.970 --> 00:39:14.550 Thank you to all of my colleagues here in this room today. 00:39:14.710 --> 00:39:19.510 I hadn't really planned to speak, but I feel kind of impelled to do so after 00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:23.150 hearing such wonderful remarks from my colleagues beforehand. 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:31.780 Yeah, I was thinking about rights. And I belong to a generation that has more 00:39:31.780 --> 00:39:35.300 rights than the generation that has them now. 00:39:35.700 --> 00:39:39.720 I was born in 1973, the year that Roe v. Wade was decided. 00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:46.080 And yes, it was my hope that we would be able to elect a woman president of 00:39:46.080 --> 00:39:49.800 the United States twice, you know, but it just didn't happen. 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:55.300 And I just think it's really important that everybody in this room and those 00:39:55.300 --> 00:39:59.060 of you who are watching, sorry, I'm very moved right now. 00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:03.120 This is a very awesome honor to be in this room with all of you, 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:11.000 that we all rededicate ourselves to preserving democracy, which is fragile now, 00:40:11.260 --> 00:40:17.880 but with constant engagement can be robust and can stay robust, 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.680 and can champion the right, the good, the true, and the beautiful. 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.380 And finally, I'd like to say a quick word to the memory of my dear friend Jack 00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:32.080 Ahrens, who sat in your position last time in 2020. 00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:40.560 I'm sorry we couldn't keep it up, Jack, but I do pray that you look out for 00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:44.240 us and help us get it back. Thank you very much. 00:40:45.220 --> 00:40:49.120 And now back to our conversation. Do, do, do. 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:54.940 So, so did you, was it all little speeches about why you were voting for Harris? 00:40:55.600 --> 00:41:00.060 No, not necessarily that. Just, you know, like, for example, 00:41:00.680 --> 00:41:05.380 Julie Johnson, she was, I can't remember what CD she's in, but among other things, 00:41:05.500 --> 00:41:06.580 she's a Native American. 00:41:06.580 --> 00:41:12.340 And she pointed out that there were three indigenous folks among the actual 00:41:12.340 --> 00:41:17.020 electors that were there, which I think is like some sort of a new threshold. 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.920 So, even though it's kind of, in a weird sort of way, it's kind of a dark victory, 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.080 as it were, because even though we've stolen the land, at least now they're 00:41:30.080 --> 00:41:32.340 back there at the table, you know. 00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:32.760 Right. 00:41:33.220 --> 00:41:40.060 Yeah. And that's important. And then we had some folks talk about how, 00:41:41.220 --> 00:41:44.500 gee, I'm happy to be an electorate, but there shouldn't be an electoral college. 00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:46.540 And I get that. 00:41:46.680 --> 00:41:51.420 I understand. Not sure that that's quite the occasion, because one of the things 00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:54.380 that, I don't think it was Steve Hobbs, but I think it was, 00:41:54.540 --> 00:41:59.840 oh, God, maybe whomever served as Sergeant at Arms pointed out was how special 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.760 this occasion was and how important it was to savor it. 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:09.640 And I did. And it was, like I said, very awe-inspiring and very humbling at 00:42:09.640 --> 00:42:14.780 the same time to know that you had that responsibility, that people entrusted 00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:16.080 you with that responsibility. 00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:24.240 And I know the folks in 2016 felt that they had a different responsibility and 00:42:24.620 --> 00:42:30.320 I think, you know, it is what it is, and that's their choice. 00:42:30.580 --> 00:42:38.380 But my responsibility was to—well, I originally signed up to elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. 00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:46.180 But yes, my responsibility was to elect the Democratic candidate and the running 00:42:46.180 --> 00:42:47.860 mate. And that's all good. 00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:54.260 So just timing-wise, that's interesting to me. They selected the electors before 00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:57.000 the nominee was official for the Democrats? 00:42:57.520 --> 00:42:59.800 Yeah, well, he was basically presumptive. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.920 No, I know he was presumptive, but imagine it was actually a contentious primary. 00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:09.300 I want to say it was, yeah, it was like maybe a month or so before, 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:14.460 a month, I would say, before that fateful debate. 00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:21.020 So it was sort of after, like, assuming you had a race like 2016 or something. 00:43:21.020 --> 00:43:24.120 It was after the primaries were over, but before the convention. 00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:29.400 Yes, definitely. Yeah. Well, I think there are some really late primaries that 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.980 are knocking on the door. They go through June. It's kind of interesting, yeah. 00:43:33.140 --> 00:43:34.600 The last primaries are in June. 00:43:35.620 --> 00:43:39.120 Let's see. So I think that was, yeah, it was maybe two hours. 00:43:39.260 --> 00:43:41.640 Oh, the most important part, I shouldn't say most important part, 00:43:41.700 --> 00:43:45.260 but equally important part, is that Governor Inslee invited us to his office. 00:43:45.500 --> 00:43:46.060 Oh, that's cool. 00:43:46.520 --> 00:43:52.520 Yeah. So we went over there and he had some nice words to say for us and got 00:43:52.520 --> 00:43:54.760 to take a look at his office and he pointed out some things, 00:43:54.860 --> 00:44:00.240 including a picture, a portrait rather, original portrait of Abraham Lincoln. 00:44:00.540 --> 00:44:05.880 And he mentioned how his dad ran for, I think, and didn't win, 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:07.100 but he ran as a Republican. 00:44:07.740 --> 00:44:12.780 So that was interesting. and you go inside the outside of the governor's office 00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:16.820 and you see all the paintings of the former governors, only one, 00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:19.780 Chris Gregoire, that needs to change, but that's just me. Yeah. 00:44:21.050 --> 00:44:25.130 And, yeah, a bunch of us had our pictures taken, you know, not necessarily with 00:44:25.130 --> 00:44:28.650 the governor, but, you know, in the office, which is, you know, really cool, too. 00:44:29.450 --> 00:44:34.470 And just for giggles, I crossed the hall and poked my head in the Secretary 00:44:34.470 --> 00:44:36.530 of State's office to see what that was all about. 00:44:37.370 --> 00:44:45.370 And as I got in there, they were wheeling in that big seal, which was on a platform 00:44:45.370 --> 00:44:48.270 that they, yeah, it's heavy, so they'd have to put it there. 00:44:49.810 --> 00:44:52.530 It was a lovely experience it was easy to get out it was a little 00:44:52.530 --> 00:44:55.190 tricky to it was easy to get in it was a little 00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:58.610 tricky to get out because uh it 00:44:58.610 --> 00:45:01.330 was a different it's not like the main entrance that they let you into it's like 00:45:01.330 --> 00:45:04.250 a lower entrance and you took the elevator up to the 00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:08.010 main thing and then went into the into the actual senate 00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:11.890 chamber oh funny story so my seatmate 00:45:11.890 --> 00:45:14.710 me too lona wilbur I don't know 00:45:14.710 --> 00:45:18.070 her I couldn't pronounce her her native name but 00:45:18.070 --> 00:45:20.830 she decided that she would go 00:45:20.830 --> 00:45:24.610 ahead and try so they've got these microphones they've also got phones at 00:45:24.610 --> 00:45:27.370 the desk that are outgoing phones she's like 00:45:27.370 --> 00:45:30.090 you know what you'll live once she picks up this 00:45:30.090 --> 00:45:32.730 phone at the senate chambers and the 00:45:32.730 --> 00:45:35.550 senate chambers phone's a friend first friend she 00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:38.490 phones goes right to his voice but voicemail phone's a 00:45:38.490 --> 00:45:41.350 second friend and the second friend answers and says hey what are 00:45:41.350 --> 00:45:44.290 you doing you're supposed to be at the electoral college casting your vote hang up 00:45:44.290 --> 00:45:47.350 i thought well you 00:45:47.350 --> 00:45:50.110 know i i was tempted myself to you know 00:45:50.110 --> 00:45:52.890 look up you know say say your wife and say 00:45:52.890 --> 00:45:56.110 you know call her and you know just say it was kind of a kick and she's like 00:45:56.110 --> 00:45:59.850 well you know it would have been even bigger kick if you'd been in the the house 00:45:59.850 --> 00:46:03.970 chamber and called me for my own desk so yeah you're right but very very meta 00:46:03.970 --> 00:46:07.550 but i just thought that was kind of funny it's like girl or woman rather you 00:46:07.550 --> 00:46:10.530 it took some guts i i am i am impressed. 00:46:12.390 --> 00:46:16.630 So that was a good good experience and i'm probably talking because it's trying 00:46:16.630 --> 00:46:26.830 to reconnect hang on shoot no internet your call cannot be completed. 00:46:26.830 --> 00:46:31.910 As dialed please check the number and dial again uh oh uh. 00:46:31.910 --> 00:46:32.890 Oh yeah oh. 00:46:32.890 --> 00:46:38.270 Monica's freezing see if she comes back message her yep, 00:46:41.130 --> 00:46:45.290 she says her internet connection went sideways hold on a second okay. 00:47:15.710 --> 00:47:19.330 Okay i do not know what the heck that was fun you're back it. 00:47:19.330 --> 00:47:23.190 Was uh the the the new administration coming in. 00:47:23.190 --> 00:47:25.650 Yeah i blame them yeah so you. 00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:27.830 Were you were telling the phone a friend story when we. 00:47:27.830 --> 00:47:30.550 Yes yeah yeah yeah so no that was pretty much 00:47:30.550 --> 00:47:33.470 it i just thought it was just kind of cool that she she did that 00:47:33.470 --> 00:47:36.570 i'm like what are you doing you're going to do that 00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:40.470 that was pretty awesome no no 00:47:40.470 --> 00:47:43.270 it's funny as we pay for 00:47:43.270 --> 00:47:47.090 comcast in this particular house household i'm 00:47:47.090 --> 00:47:50.010 surprised that every now and then it will want 00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:53.350 to get xfinity wi-fi rather than the perfectly fine 00:47:53.350 --> 00:47:57.210 perfectly secure home connection very weird 00:47:57.210 --> 00:48:02.290 that's my other thing about monopoly i mean you're talking about you know unrestricted 00:48:02.290 --> 00:48:08.190 capitalism or whatever you know we only have I think two choices and both of 00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:12.130 them are kind of in terms of being able to select internet providers in this 00:48:12.130 --> 00:48:14.310 particular residence. So you're going, you know. 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:18.450 So that's one of those things. Yeah, I know. 00:48:19.110 --> 00:48:24.330 So, so any other highlights of the elector experience you want to call out in 00:48:24.330 --> 00:48:28.910 terms of your, your own experience or just general thoughts on how that whole 00:48:28.910 --> 00:48:32.710 thing works or anything like that before we move on to other things? 00:48:33.090 --> 00:48:37.890 Yeah, the day was just really nice. It was, you know, the secretary of state staff was really great. 00:48:38.090 --> 00:48:42.230 I wonder sometimes what it would have been like if say Kim Wyman were there 00:48:42.230 --> 00:48:45.710 and, you know, say a Republican rather, and you have that staff. 00:48:45.770 --> 00:48:50.150 She was the previous secretary of state that, for those who don't remember, 00:48:50.330 --> 00:48:54.430 the fact that Biden picked her for something national, it started the chain 00:48:54.430 --> 00:48:57.870 of events that led to my wife being in the state legislature to begin with. 00:48:58.150 --> 00:48:58.550 Yeah. 00:48:59.210 --> 00:49:04.750 So that's the other thing. I mean, And we, I think, the Democratic Party invites. 00:49:04.970 --> 00:49:06.950 We don't, you know, we just want things to get done. 00:49:07.450 --> 00:49:10.810 You know, done and done well. I mean, the whole reason that this, 00:49:10.810 --> 00:49:14.450 what, this temporary budget thing actually passed, 00:49:15.510 --> 00:49:20.830 It's because, you know, we basically, we know how to govern, I think. 00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:29.130 I agree. Look, even John Boehner is one that said it best related to this, 00:49:29.370 --> 00:49:33.910 that this entire generation of people that are, 00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:39.010 that have come into government now, they're, you know, in the republic, in his party. 00:49:39.010 --> 00:49:42.850 It's one of the reasons why he left was precisely because they were interested 00:49:42.850 --> 00:49:48.290 on getting just attention, grifts, you know, they want it. They want it clicks. 00:49:48.910 --> 00:49:54.690 Everything they do is all about that. It has nothing to do with fixing any problems. 00:49:54.950 --> 00:49:59.430 It has everything to do with how they are going to get their grift done. 00:49:59.770 --> 00:50:02.630 That's it. And everybody else can be damned. 00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:07.350 You tie that to a whole philosophy of government that is that government shouldn't 00:50:07.350 --> 00:50:09.150 do stuff for the most part. 00:50:09.890 --> 00:50:13.210 Like that, you know, and that's not all like some of them are pure grift. 00:50:13.350 --> 00:50:16.150 Like if they thought they could make more money by government actually actively 00:50:16.150 --> 00:50:17.810 doing stuff, they would. Yes. 00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:22.290 But others are sort of philosophically very much in the view of like, 00:50:22.410 --> 00:50:25.090 well, no, government shouldn't be doing anything anyway. 00:50:25.450 --> 00:50:31.190 And so a course of action that leads to nothing is actually preferred. 00:50:32.110 --> 00:50:36.470 And Boehner himself, he's the one who got rid of earmarks, so he kind of reaped the whirlwind. 00:50:37.430 --> 00:50:41.070 Yeah, I mean, this is one conversation I've had a few times in the past. 00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:47.470 But that one was one that was, you know, I will say that before that happened, 00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:52.770 the philosophical thought, hey, how do we make government run better? 00:50:53.430 --> 00:50:59.990 There was a lot of agreement. Oh, getting rid of earmarks will help. Yeah, that was. 00:51:01.790 --> 00:51:07.310 But I think it's actually backfired quite a bit. And I'm not the only one to have said this. 00:51:07.410 --> 00:51:10.570 I heard it somewhere first and then I've repeated it a lot of times because, 00:51:10.570 --> 00:51:19.450 you know, I resonated with it, is that actually earmarks were the grease that helped things happen. 00:51:20.030 --> 00:51:25.670 That's how people made deals that was like, okay, I will give you what you want on this. 00:51:25.910 --> 00:51:29.170 And I will get our, you know, park. 00:51:29.170 --> 00:51:31.030 Pretty much. I mean, yeah. 00:51:31.250 --> 00:51:34.670 And, and, and in exchange, like policy things that would happen as well, 00:51:34.750 --> 00:51:37.390 it wasn't just like your pork for my pork. 00:51:37.590 --> 00:51:42.270 It's like, I will agree to your policy thing that I otherwise would not in exchange 00:51:42.270 --> 00:51:43.810 for some pork for my district. 00:51:44.210 --> 00:51:54.610 And, and it led to a lot more ability to make deals in bipartisan ways to make things happen. 00:51:54.690 --> 00:51:57.970 Now, of course, there's also been this whole like partisan sorting that's been 00:51:57.970 --> 00:51:59.970 happening. It makes things more difficult. 00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:05.830 But I think that earmarks accelerated, getting rid of it, accelerated that process 00:52:05.830 --> 00:52:13.190 because it took away a major tool that people could use to sort of paper over differences. 00:52:13.490 --> 00:52:13.890 Yes. 00:52:14.510 --> 00:52:20.270 So yeah i'm with you on that working today all right i think mine froze again 00:52:20.270 --> 00:52:24.690 did we lose you yeah yeah she's she's she's either she's stunned by what we 00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:26.710 said or she's frozen one or the other, 00:52:27.390 --> 00:52:30.630 well it was kind of stunned she's stunned oh 00:52:30.630 --> 00:52:34.170 there you're back you're back again we were saying that we were saying that 00:52:34.170 --> 00:52:39.190 damn it we said something so earth shattering you're just sitting there stunned 00:52:39.190 --> 00:52:45.170 you're stunned she's like i mean my god i mean look we managed to stun somebody 00:52:45.170 --> 00:52:50.610 this is what happens when you invite people sam yeah you know no. 00:52:50.610 --> 00:52:56.170 I i was just i was hearkening back to when i was young and in college and so 00:52:56.170 --> 00:53:01.830 i come from west central missouri across the border is on northeast Missouri. 00:53:02.430 --> 00:53:05.970 Back in the day, Harold Volkmer was a FDR Democrat. 00:53:06.470 --> 00:53:12.590 And that horse trading back in the day got a really decrepit bridge that crossed 00:53:12.590 --> 00:53:18.510 the Mississippi River, turned into this nice, pristine Harold Volkmer bridge, 00:53:18.850 --> 00:53:24.730 called for him because he actually lost the election to one of those Newt Gingrich Republicans. 00:53:25.590 --> 00:53:26.550 So- 00:53:27.180 --> 00:53:31.700 So, yeah, I mean, and again, it's my own thesis, and maybe it's because I come 00:53:31.700 --> 00:53:35.900 from a different generation, but you're not going to get people, 00:53:36.040 --> 00:53:38.820 you're not going to hook them on ideology, I don't think. 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.960 It has to be interactional. It has to be one-on-one. It has to be about relationships, 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:51.740 because if we basically toss somebody out because they have this really peculiar way of thinking, 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.620 still, there's other things you can talk about. There's always a hook somewhere. 00:53:57.540 --> 00:54:02.860 And the MAGA hook, the number one MAGA hook is is hate. OK, yeah. 00:54:03.220 --> 00:54:06.100 That's what I hate is an ideology. 00:54:06.600 --> 00:54:08.980 You can't get anywhere with hate. You really can't. 00:54:09.080 --> 00:54:12.500 I mean, well, well, well, I mean, they can't get anywhere. Look, 00:54:12.600 --> 00:54:16.820 these bastards just won the stupid election running completely on a platform of hate. 00:54:17.220 --> 00:54:20.760 I mean, there's something about populism. And this is my own my own personal 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.120 theory. Yes, you can organize. 00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:27.820 Yes, you can campaign. Yes, you can even win an election. 00:54:28.120 --> 00:54:34.600 The one thing you can't do, and I'm losing my thing again, which is really annoying. 00:54:34.740 --> 00:54:35.900 You're still there. 00:54:35.900 --> 00:54:36.480 We still have you. 00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:42.900 Okay. The one thing you can't do is govern. And that's why these things— But they hate government. 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:50.760 Listen, they hate government. They think, you know, the absurdity of this weekend's 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.200 negotiations, for example. 00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:57.060 We're oh yeah we will take a break and actually have that as a topic you. 00:54:57.060 --> 00:54:59.300 Want to talk about that as a topic all right. 00:54:59.300 --> 00:55:05.240 Yeah no no okay monica can you stick around a little bit or do you need to drop 00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:09.520 why not all right let's take let's then break come on and we'll talk about this. 00:55:09.520 --> 00:55:11.660 Idiotic negotiations yes. 00:55:11.660 --> 00:55:17.780 Okay we'll take a quick break and then we will be back and we will start talking 00:55:17.780 --> 00:55:21.440 about the whole nonsense with the, 00:55:22.610 --> 00:55:27.850 government shutdown that didn't happen but was delayed and elon musk and blah 00:55:27.850 --> 00:55:35.990 blah blah and all that yes yeah yeah we'll be back right after this okie dokie here it comes. 00:55:42.310 --> 00:55:49.530 It's just my internet being stupid my internet being stupid is a new song we 00:55:49.530 --> 00:55:56.990 will make What the fuck is that? 00:55:57.450 --> 00:56:00.690 What the fuck? 00:56:01.170 --> 00:56:04.250 I'm just losing more to mind. 00:56:04.250 --> 00:56:19.150 Come on, come on. 00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:31.070 I'm tired what's wrong i'm really tired you you you it's it's amazing to get 00:56:31.070 --> 00:56:39.790 the show on the road there's a road there's a road oh my god there's a road that. 00:56:39.790 --> 00:56:40.830 One cracks yvonne up. 00:56:40.830 --> 00:56:44.150 Every time we oh my god well it's not 00:56:44.150 --> 00:56:47.090 just that it's that we get a guest for the 00:56:47.090 --> 00:56:49.890 first time in a long time and this is 00:56:49.890 --> 00:56:55.610 the we don't get like say the ray lynch break or something no no we get this 00:56:55.610 --> 00:57:00.870 psychedelic lunacy of a break in order to come in yes which is actually hilarious 00:57:00.870 --> 00:57:08.610 but oh god okay well well she stepped away for most of it so she may not have heard it, 00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:11.630 okay well. 00:57:11.630 --> 00:57:16.390 Well we're back anyway so so yvonne why don't why don't you intro what is the 00:57:16.390 --> 00:57:17.890 craziness that have happened. 00:57:17.890 --> 00:57:22.950 For the last few days. Well, I mean, look, we had an impending government shutdown, 00:57:23.290 --> 00:57:26.850 okay, that, you know, a deal had been done. 00:57:27.050 --> 00:57:34.070 And as usual, like the Republicans, you know, one of the, you were talking about how hate doesn't work. 00:57:34.550 --> 00:57:37.590 One of the things about these kinds of groups of people that they don't like 00:57:37.590 --> 00:57:41.650 the government is, that they can never honor a deal amongst themselves. 00:57:41.830 --> 00:57:46.550 Every time what they will wind up doing is, they think that everybody else is 00:57:46.550 --> 00:57:48.370 a corrupt. They will not trust anybody. 00:57:48.590 --> 00:57:55.010 So they will wind up the moment they see something. They see an opportunity, they will backstab. 00:57:55.640 --> 00:57:59.980 Other person. That is a trait. That's how they work. 00:58:00.700 --> 00:58:05.440 And so this entire thing with the shutdown where they actually have a deal and 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.840 they agree to a deal and then all of a sudden- There was a deal. 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:11.460 That had been negotiated over the course of many months. 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:13.200 A bipartisan deal. 00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:16.700 A bipartisan deal. The Republican leadership was on board. 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:20.960 The Democratic leadership was on board. How not even just the Republican leadership 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:25.300 they had. And, you know, I mean, I'm sure the usual people who would vote no 00:58:25.300 --> 00:58:30.180 to anything would vote no, but they had it all set. It was ready to go. And then. 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.580 And then and then they go and, you know, Trump and Musk. I can't remember which one was. 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.760 It was all Musk. 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:41.820 That was Musk first started torpedo, you know, you know, calling for this thing 00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:45.960 to be to be scrapped, for this thing to be stopped, for this thing, whatever. 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:56.400 And then they start demanding a $2.5 trillion cut in the budget in order to accept the deal. 00:58:56.620 --> 00:59:00.080 So wait, wait, wait. You're skipping a few steps. 00:59:00.200 --> 00:59:03.060 Well, skipping a few steps. Yeah, I was oversimplifying. Okay. 00:59:03.380 --> 00:59:09.840 So say I'm being the logical Spock guy to my being more like Captain Kirk crazy 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.580 going, okay? I realized the other day that this is how our dynamic is. 00:59:14.580 --> 00:59:17.460 I've just realized. Okay, so go ahead. 00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:18.540 So here's the thing. 00:59:18.600 --> 00:59:20.420 I got to play on the color commentator. 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:28.180 So first Donald, no, so first Elon Musk comes in with a tweet storm lasting 00:59:28.180 --> 00:59:31.860 hours and many tweets talking about how this is a bad bill, 00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:37.780 how he'll go and he'll bankroll primarying any Republican who votes against 00:59:37.780 --> 00:59:38.900 it, et cetera, et cetera. 00:59:39.340 --> 00:59:44.460 And so that initial deal that had been negotiated over months and months died. 00:59:44.580 --> 00:59:47.160 Like they voted for it. It failed utterly. 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.660 And they were also trying to do it, by the way, they were trying to do it under 00:59:52.660 --> 00:59:55.940 a suspension of the rules, which required not just a majority, 00:59:56.120 --> 00:59:57.900 but a two thirds majority to do. 00:59:58.260 --> 01:00:06.900 And so they were nowhere close. They were nowhere close. And then they scrambled 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:11.720 and came up with a Trump and Musk-approved deal. 01:00:12.460 --> 01:00:19.740 That deal added some stuff with the debt limit because that was what Donald Trump's demand was. 01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:23.000 Donald Trump came in later, by the way. Only after the tweet storm, 01:00:23.600 --> 01:00:26.880 then Donald Trump was like, oh, okay, I agree, this is bad. 01:00:27.080 --> 01:00:30.820 But only after everything Musk had done. And that first one died. 01:00:30.820 --> 01:00:36.480 The second one was a Trump and Musk approved version that added some stuff with 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:41.840 the debt limit and had some more cuts and blah, blah, blah. Then that died too. 01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:47.320 That one died as well. And then they were like, oh, well, now what do we do? We have no plan C. 01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:54.920 And then eventually on Friday, hours before the deadline, they came up with something again. 01:00:55.020 --> 01:00:57.820 It did not have the debt limit stuff in it. 01:00:58.600 --> 01:01:05.020 And it was basically back to close to what the original deal was, 01:01:05.140 --> 01:01:12.760 although they did take out funding for a few things, some of which got added back separately. 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.280 But for the most part, they took out funding for a few things, 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.540 but it was it was nominal for the most part. 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.820 It was very similar to the original deal. 01:01:22.900 --> 01:01:26.560 And and they got it done. But the John promise is the thing. 01:01:26.980 --> 01:01:30.320 Yes, there are two there are two two things that came out of this. 01:01:30.500 --> 01:01:35.660 What first of all, Donald Trump got a list of 38 Republicans who would be willing 01:01:35.660 --> 01:01:37.480 to vote against him from that middle vote. 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.020 OK, so that did he did get that. 01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:46.060 And then the Johnson promise that you mentioned is that apparently the deal 01:01:46.060 --> 01:01:52.200 to get Republicans on board, to get the reluctant Republicans on board with this final deal, 01:01:53.060 --> 01:01:58.680 and Donald Trump and Musk, was that they basically promised, 01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:06.380 okay, they will do a debt limit increase in six months or whenever that comes up. 01:02:06.380 --> 01:02:12.280 But they promised they'd increase the debt limit by $1.5 trillion, 01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:16.800 but they'd make up for it with $2.5 trillion in spending cuts. 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:17.220 Yeah. 01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:25.860 Which which is what the the the elon musk's doge thing has been promising that 01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:27.680 they want to do anyway or what i'm. 01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:31.740 At a 2.5 trillion or what time frame because that's the other thing i didn't 01:02:31.740 --> 01:02:33.240 see anybody mention a time frame. 01:02:33.240 --> 01:02:36.840 Nobody ever does they always use they always finesse over those kinds of things 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:41.980 usually it's the 10-year budget horizon but you know who knows wait. 01:02:41.980 --> 01:02:49.900 Why are you Like these people, the usual, I'm sure that they are thinking 2.5 trillion in one year. 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.180 There are probably some people who are thinking that and some people who are 01:02:54.180 --> 01:02:58.080 thinking 10, they leave it intentionally ambiguous so everybody can read into it what they want. 01:02:58.780 --> 01:02:59.360 Oh, wow. 01:03:00.620 --> 01:03:06.620 But it's 2.5 trillion in one year is the most, I mean, hey, do you want to cause 01:03:06.620 --> 01:03:08.220 the most chaos at a recession? 01:03:08.700 --> 01:03:13.020 And like, just, I don't know. Listen, you have to cut it. It's just about everything. 01:03:13.140 --> 01:03:16.660 It it it's impossible it's impossible that 01:03:16.660 --> 01:03:22.580 i mean and the thing is there was reporting i believe it was in the hill that 01:03:22.580 --> 01:03:28.900 you know the republicans who agreed to it based on this promise know it's bullshit 01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:32.720 they know it's bullshit they know it but they need the cover of the promise 01:03:32.720 --> 01:03:35.300 in order to be able to say that they agree this. 01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:38.320 Is the whole thing that you were talking about their lack of interest in any 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.240 governing whatsoever and that it's just all about fluff and promise and bullshit 01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:43.380 and And here's another thing. 01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:47.620 Forget, you know, I realize that Sam always reminds me this again. 01:03:48.220 --> 01:03:52.000 It doesn't matter to actually do it because even if they don't do it, they will say they did. 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:56.280 And lie about it. They will just say, oh, oh, yeah, we cut. Yes, 01:03:56.520 --> 01:03:59.340 we cut a trillion dollars out of it. They didn't do anything, 01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:00.420 but they will say they did. 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.360 And people will believe it because basically it's getting to be to the point 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.900 where they tell people what they want to hear. 01:04:08.120 --> 01:04:08.240 Yep. 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.100 And whether it's the truth or not. 01:04:11.040 --> 01:04:11.940 I don't know how to go check. 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.560 Yeah, no, even if they could, where would they go? 01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:16.880 Right. Who's reliable? 01:04:19.080 --> 01:04:22.500 God. Well, I keep popping tile and all of a sudden every day. 01:04:23.080 --> 01:04:26.040 Because a major part of this is make it so you don't trust anybody. 01:04:26.580 --> 01:04:29.680 Like, they don't mind that you don't trust them because it means you don't trust 01:04:29.680 --> 01:04:32.540 anybody else either. And so you're susceptible to whatever. 01:04:32.540 --> 01:04:35.120 And that's straight out of, you know, Putin's playbook, as it were. 01:04:35.700 --> 01:04:44.060 Yeah, well, replayed from the Nazis. I mean, I think the whole thing about, 01:04:44.060 --> 01:04:49.000 like, flood the zone and make them not trust anything, not trust truth, that was Goebbels. 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:49.840 Yeah. 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:50.140 So. 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:50.340 Yeah. 01:04:51.530 --> 01:04:58.250 Oh, anyway, so we have the budget deal, but we've kicked out, 01:04:58.410 --> 01:05:01.210 like Trump wanted to actually get rid of the debt limit entirely, 01:05:01.410 --> 01:05:03.970 which by the way, this is one of those clock stopped things. 01:05:04.510 --> 01:05:08.030 Like we should get rid of the debt limit entirely. 01:05:08.310 --> 01:05:12.150 Sam, Sam, but wait a second. Hold it. Hold it. 01:05:13.050 --> 01:05:17.430 Trump said that next year he was going to pay off all the debt. 01:05:18.830 --> 01:05:23.750 He said that a few times in the past. Right. has he said it recently? I don't know. 01:05:24.290 --> 01:05:26.430 I don't think he's talking about the debt. He's going to take care of grocery prices? 01:05:26.750 --> 01:05:31.550 Yeah. He's going to take care of groceries. Although he did in an interview 01:05:31.550 --> 01:05:35.090 last week say that, oh, maybe, maybe not that, that sounds kind of hard. 01:05:38.150 --> 01:05:43.830 But, but no, we have, we have, we have the deal. He did not get rid of the debt limit. 01:05:44.090 --> 01:05:46.990 He had the promise for another debt limit increase. 01:05:47.110 --> 01:05:53.330 Like he's explicitly said he wanted to have this crisis now so it can be blamed 01:05:53.330 --> 01:05:58.310 on biden rather than in nine months when it'll be blamed on him no you know. 01:05:58.310 --> 01:06:00.490 Really nah nah. 01:06:00.490 --> 01:06:04.150 Nah he would never do that what do you what come on now. 01:06:04.150 --> 01:06:09.190 Two things i'm following right now one is and you've probably got this marked 01:06:09.190 --> 01:06:17.530 in your calendar yvonne is january 15th that is when the deadline for the so 01:06:17.530 --> 01:06:20.690 the longshoremen when they were striking or going to strike. 01:06:21.030 --> 01:06:24.590 They agreed with Biden to go ahead and agree to an extension. 01:06:24.850 --> 01:06:27.110 That extension expires on January 15th. 01:06:27.270 --> 01:06:29.150 Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. 01:06:29.750 --> 01:06:34.890 The other thing is the emergence of this bird flu, which seems to be already 01:06:34.890 --> 01:06:38.670 at epidemic levels and may reach pandemic levels very, very soon. 01:06:39.290 --> 01:06:44.610 Now, when is that going to happen? And what are those things that'll look like in a new, 01:06:44.610 --> 01:06:49.910 as i call it trump regime so these people who have the attention sensitive than 01:06:49.910 --> 01:06:55.630 that everything's going to come home to roost probably within two weeks of the new regime being. 01:06:55.630 --> 01:07:02.030 Installed here here's going to be the thing uh vaccines will be developed again 01:07:02.030 --> 01:07:09.410 and none of them will take it yeah and you know we'll have to go to canada maybe rfk. 01:07:09.410 --> 01:07:11.250 Will make sure they're not approved anyway for. 01:07:11.250 --> 01:07:15.530 Any right well we'll have to go to canada or somewhere to get them. Okay. 01:07:16.330 --> 01:07:22.170 And, you know, here, the one thing is to me is to these people, 01:07:22.350 --> 01:07:27.410 even with so many dead, always, I had relatives that died in the pandemic. Okay. 01:07:27.730 --> 01:07:27.770 Okay. 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.580 I mean, some of these people had people die in their families and they still like. 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:33.740 They don't connect. 01:07:34.020 --> 01:07:37.900 No, they won't. They can't connect the dots. They can't connect the dots. 01:07:38.060 --> 01:07:39.820 They connect the dots. They connect the completely. 01:07:40.380 --> 01:07:42.360 Well, they connect the dots that they want to connect. 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:43.180 Yeah. 01:07:44.620 --> 01:07:49.140 You know, we'll skip over a few. And like, you know, this looks like a plane. 01:07:49.580 --> 01:07:51.100 I couldn't help something. I don't know. 01:07:51.740 --> 01:07:52.500 But anyway. 01:07:52.740 --> 01:07:58.500 Yeah. It's going to be. I mean, I, one of the things that is definitely very 01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:02.860 scary is what happens in another public, if we get another public health emergency like this. 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:07.120 I actually, to be honest, like I, I, I, I'm praying that it doesn't turn it to that. 01:08:07.240 --> 01:08:11.200 Well, just generally any emergency slash crisis, like, you know, 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.460 it just happened that the pandemic was the one that actually hit the previous 01:08:15.460 --> 01:08:16.640 Donald Trump administration. 01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:21.680 But basically, as long as he's coasting on things that are sort of acting normal, 01:08:21.980 --> 01:08:25.500 you know but like as soon as there's a crisis uh. 01:08:25.500 --> 01:08:28.320 I will i will say 01:08:28.320 --> 01:08:31.340 one look i i to be 01:08:31.340 --> 01:08:34.300 to be clear i despise trump to the to to 01:08:34.300 --> 01:08:37.060 my core and i've done the worst thing is why is 01:08:37.060 --> 01:08:39.760 i have always sam knows this i was not 01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.980 new to hating trump even before he ran for president i thought 01:08:42.980 --> 01:08:45.960 trump was a scumbag dating back to the 90s i mean 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:49.000 i you know it's just i'm always bewildered by all 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.980 this trump adulation you know so i i always 01:08:51.980 --> 01:08:54.980 just like that's the bad's up that's a terrible business man 01:08:54.980 --> 01:08:57.760 but and so uh i happen to actually have the 01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.320 fortune also of working out for several years with somebody 01:09:01.320 --> 01:09:04.500 who was a big person in commercial real estate uh 01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:07.560 in new york at that time okay right 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.500 who actually was my workout partner for about three or four years 01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:13.560 and he told me all these stories about how nobody would 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.380 do business with trump on any deals because they all knew 01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:19.240 that he was like a fake that everything was just 01:09:19.240 --> 01:09:22.320 all bullshit and that there was no way to ever do your. 01:09:22.320 --> 01:09:25.380 Business so i kind of like that background that he doesn't pay 01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:28.200 he doesn't pay the deals that he that he does 01:09:28.200 --> 01:09:32.820 are losers you know he'll always welch on any deal it was just it was just well 01:09:32.820 --> 01:09:37.460 known in the commercial in commercial real estate and so it's one of those things 01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:41.820 that that had me on that but the one thing that i will say after caveating all 01:09:41.820 --> 01:09:46.880 that that i i will say that about Trump is positive. He's very gun-shy. 01:09:47.580 --> 01:09:50.920 Literally in terms of armed conflict. Okay. 01:09:51.220 --> 01:09:55.880 That is the only thing that I can say that I, I, I, thankfully that he, 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:59.720 he showed, because there was a couple of incidents where I do think that if 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:03.040 it was a democratic president, they may have launched like airstrikes or done 01:10:03.040 --> 01:10:04.040 some other stuff or whatever. 01:10:04.120 --> 01:10:07.920 There was this Iran attack that happened on this base and 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.680 where we did a very limited response where I 01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:14.100 know John Bolton was shopping at the bit at launching some 01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:19.600 massive attack against they're on and trump said no and so that is about the 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:25.700 only instinct that i have seen that this man has that i'm like maybe that could 01:10:25.700 --> 01:10:31.580 avert something okay but other than that the guy is just terrible other. 01:10:31.580 --> 01:10:36.940 Than that we're sort of counting on like i mean if he does everything he said 01:10:36.940 --> 01:10:38.840 he wants to do it would be awful we're sort of. 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.760 Counting on incompetence. 01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.480 Again yeah we're counting on incompetence. And one of the things that have been 01:10:47.480 --> 01:10:53.420 said this time around versus last time around is A, all of the guardrails are gone. 01:10:53.800 --> 01:11:01.020 B, there are some people that he has brought on board that have spent the last 01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:03.820 four years trying to figure out how to actually do it this time. 01:11:04.260 --> 01:11:09.860 But the one thing I'd say is his cabinet choices so far are leaning towards the incompetent side. 01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:17.360 So So I mean, incompetence likes company, you know, Trump is very good at service. 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.640 Yeah. But speaking of incompetence in this, back to the events of the last few 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.300 days with the budget stuff or the spending stuff, whatever it is. 01:11:28.620 --> 01:11:35.820 Musk a lot has been said about how like musk drove this he started it he pushed 01:11:35.820 --> 01:11:41.900 it like yeah and he got all of the attention and what does this mean in terms 01:11:41.900 --> 01:11:46.600 of and and musk's role going forward and how pissed is trump about it. 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:53.060 And and and and that's my thing because at some yes listen number one person 01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:58.440 that wants adulation is trump if if elon must start stealing the spotlight at 01:11:58.440 --> 01:12:02.940 some point he is going to turn oh yeah he's going to turn against him i have 01:12:02.940 --> 01:12:04.340 zero doubts about this no. 01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:10.580 No definitely i mean yeah definitely well i think that was probably musk flexing 01:12:10.580 --> 01:12:14.800 his muscle to see what he could do in terms of influence. 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:19.920 Well apparently you can do a lot well yeah but the thing is at the end though 01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.360 he did well no he he he but he didn't get what he wanted it then, 01:12:25.480 --> 01:12:29.060 although there were a few token things in there, so he can claim he got something. 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:38.560 But he showed that he was able to throw a wrench in the works and stop something cold. 01:12:39.160 --> 01:12:42.600 The fact that he wasn't able to replace it with his preference, 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:49.340 okay, maybe shows the limits of that, but he was able to stop it cold and cause 01:12:49.340 --> 01:12:54.120 a 48-hour delay or whatever it was in getting this thing done. 01:12:54.320 --> 01:12:59.560 So he did absolutely flex that he's got a bunch of power right now. 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:06.380 He kind of showed that maybe he didn't quite understand what all the moving 01:13:06.380 --> 01:13:10.100 bits were and how to actually get something done. 01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:17.180 And I saw people talking about this in terms of a conflict between. 01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:27.240 A Washington DC culture of process versus a Elon Musk text tech bro culture 01:13:27.240 --> 01:13:32.500 of just worry about the result and don't worry about how you get there. 01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:39.580 And, and the, and the clash of cultures that will cause and, and was shown this week. 01:13:39.860 --> 01:13:46.140 Um, but I, I don't know. I think it's, I think there's several dynamics there. 01:13:46.360 --> 01:13:51.700 One is that Elon Musk has shown that he has a lot of weight to throw around. 01:13:52.100 --> 01:13:57.040 It shows that he doesn't know how to use that weight to actually accomplish a goal. 01:13:57.500 --> 01:14:02.240 And it puts him up against Donald Trump because even if Trump hasn't said anything 01:14:02.240 --> 01:14:07.960 yet, this has got to be the kind of thing that pisses him off because there 01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:10.260 are all these memes going around. 01:14:10.420 --> 01:14:12.480 I mean, the Democrats are doing it intentionally, of course, 01:14:12.620 --> 01:14:15.980 calling like President Musk, President-elect Musk, blah, blah, blah. 01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:19.300 Oh, Donald Trump's just acting as vice president now. 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:24.760 Like, Musk is clearly the one in control. And they're doing just to get under Trump's skin. 01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:29.360 And the thing is, it's the kind of thing that does get under Trump's skin. 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.120 He is that shallow. Yeah. 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:33.780 Yes, absolutely. 01:14:34.080 --> 01:14:37.600 He shouldn't even have been in charge of his family's business. 01:14:39.080 --> 01:14:43.660 He ran that into the ground. I used to joke, I said, you know, 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.200 that man shouldn't have been allowed to run that. 01:14:45.260 --> 01:14:49.100 He couldn't even run the Bluth Popsicle, a banana stand, much less anything 01:14:49.100 --> 01:14:51.960 else. so i don't know it's just. 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:53.940 Very very but. 01:14:53.940 --> 01:14:58.620 The weird thing is that people see themselves in him they get they buy into 01:14:58.620 --> 01:15:03.540 that what they see as glamour what they see as wealth and prestige and they 01:15:03.540 --> 01:15:09.180 think oh i can i can have that i can do that and i can be that that crass jerk 01:15:09.180 --> 01:15:13.480 and get ahead and it just doesn't work that way i. 01:15:13.480 --> 01:15:17.560 Unfortunately can i can i yeah unfortunately in 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:21.320 many cases they to get away with this shit i 01:15:21.320 --> 01:15:24.260 wish less i wish less did but there 01:15:24.260 --> 01:15:27.480 is a subset there is a significant subset 01:15:27.480 --> 01:15:30.440 of these grifters me living i 01:15:30.440 --> 01:15:33.600 i i unfortunately you know well no i'm not gonna say unfortunately because i 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:37.140 like living in pall beach county despite the fact that we've been invaded a 01:15:37.140 --> 01:15:42.600 lot more by these guys coming in recently okay you know i've met so many of 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.980 these different real estate developers like this okay that i've had clashes 01:15:45.980 --> 01:15:48.200 with over certain things in business, okay? 01:15:48.620 --> 01:15:53.240 And man, they all operate very similar way. They're all slumlords. 01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:55.680 They all cheat. They don't pay their vendors. 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:02.240 They try to like just, you know, snow you with lawyers and shit and, 01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:08.660 you know, and they will just, you know, spend every dime they can on every lawyer 01:16:08.660 --> 01:16:09.640 to obstruct everything. 01:16:09.860 --> 01:16:14.220 And yet somehow, even after criminal actions against them or whatever, 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:18.360 they figure out another way to get another hundred million to borrow somebody 01:16:18.360 --> 01:16:20.220 and bamboozle a whole bunch of other people. 01:16:20.360 --> 01:16:26.880 But it's a horrible, I can't understand how they, it has to be, 01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:30.880 how they live with themselves screwing that many people. 01:16:31.160 --> 01:16:39.180 Because I just cannot, I cannot fathom it, but it's their MO and they double, triple down on it. 01:16:39.300 --> 01:16:45.140 I'm not necessarily talking about those sorts of folks. They're kind of higher up on the Ponzi scheme. 01:16:45.320 --> 01:16:50.400 I'm talking about the rank of file. People say- Oh, those guys. Yeah. 01:16:50.740 --> 01:16:53.340 Oh, those guys are all useful idiots to them. They're all good. 01:16:53.540 --> 01:16:59.240 Yeah. And I don't, I really haven't figured out how to, we say, 01:16:59.340 --> 01:17:00.400 oh, we want to educate them. 01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:04.660 Now, the new thing is like, oh, well, screw education. That's not going to work. 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:05.840 We have to manipulate them. 01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:12.780 Well, this brings me back to one of the things that I've said repeatedly on 01:17:12.780 --> 01:17:16.720 the retrospectives of the campaign, and Yvonne's going to be like, oh, there he goes again. 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:22.140 But the weird thing was working. like 01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:24.860 that i think and i'd actually said this for 01:17:24.860 --> 01:17:28.600 years the way to burst this bubble is 01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:31.900 not by talking about how trump and 01:17:31.900 --> 01:17:36.740 his cronies are dangerous or any of this because people like dangerous yeah 01:17:36.740 --> 01:17:41.460 people want that people want like somebody to to break up the system and bust 01:17:41.460 --> 01:17:48.100 it down no the mocking him and belittling him the the they are weird they're 01:17:48.100 --> 01:17:51.740 weirdos they're the belittling him as like, oh, 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:55.960 look, he's stupid, he's whatever. 01:17:56.160 --> 01:18:00.240 The mocking in general, the putting him down in that way, the making fun of 01:18:00.240 --> 01:18:05.100 him, the laughing at him, not being scared of them, but laughing at them. 01:18:05.820 --> 01:18:10.420 If you look at, on my electiongraphs.com site, when you look at the odds curve 01:18:10.420 --> 01:18:13.260 for how they were doing for the election, 01:18:13.620 --> 01:18:19.080 the entire time that the Harris campaign was being positive about themselves 01:18:19.080 --> 01:18:23.500 and mocking about the Republicans, they were improving every week. 01:18:23.660 --> 01:18:30.320 As soon as they switched to emphasize the danger of Donald Trump, 01:18:30.580 --> 01:18:32.620 they started losing ground. 01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:36.280 It started to sound a lot like the Clinton campaign. And that really bugged me. 01:18:36.380 --> 01:18:39.320 I mean, half of the Clinton campaign was about, oh, love Trump's hate. 01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:41.460 And you're putting Trump and the damn slogan. 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:41.980 Yeah, I know. 01:18:42.700 --> 01:18:44.740 And I'm wondering, I really... 01:18:45.320 --> 01:18:51.660 Yeah, and they made it about him again. And when it's about Trump, he wins. 01:18:51.980 --> 01:18:55.200 And I'm just feeling like, it's like, I think... 01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:57.760 Well, they made it about the danger specifically. 01:18:58.200 --> 01:19:01.980 The Pod Save America gang might not have been the right... 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:07.660 Call for the Harris campaign, they probably shouldn't end up completely different people entirely. 01:19:08.280 --> 01:19:12.380 Yeah. I mean, they brought in a bunch of Obama people around that time. 01:19:12.460 --> 01:19:14.560 And I think this was their influence primarily. 01:19:15.020 --> 01:19:21.720 And there are all kinds of other factors, but like we said, there were global 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.280 headwinds. There were all kinds of things. 01:19:23.420 --> 01:19:28.500 They might've been in a no-win scenario anyway, but I think they actually came 01:19:28.500 --> 01:19:33.900 close and I think they did rely on the wrong people and took the wrong direction 01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:36.580 in the last like 30 to 40 days of the. 01:19:36.580 --> 01:19:43.920 Campaign and my hope is they don't do what we did after 2016 and went oh yeah 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.640 we sorry uh we need an old way. 01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:48.720 You can curse i mean jesus we. 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:52.100 I don't know why we've been on our we can't have a woman run for president i 01:19:52.100 --> 01:20:00.980 mean we had a glut of there were 29 democratic camp candidates in 2020 including telsey gabbard No. 01:20:01.280 --> 01:20:06.440 By the time Super Tuesday ran around, four women United States senators were out of the race. 01:20:06.860 --> 01:20:09.460 I believe, and this might be a minority view. 01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.620 That 2028, if we get there. 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:17.540 Touch wood, is the prime time to champion a woman candidate. 01:20:19.020 --> 01:20:25.300 Because our people, by that I mean the public, will have had four years of chaos 01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:29.940 and God knows what else, maybe pestilence and all the other four horsemen named hog lips. 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:35.920 I always, listen, I will say this. Look, I always liked Joe Biden. 01:20:36.120 --> 01:20:38.460 Okay, all right? I'm going to be on that camp. 01:20:38.780 --> 01:20:43.120 Okay, all right. But one thing is that I did not vote for him in the 2020 primary. 01:20:43.440 --> 01:20:46.300 Okay? I voted actually for Harris. Okay? 01:20:46.900 --> 01:20:48.620 At the time opportunity. 01:20:48.900 --> 01:20:49.840 Otherwise I would have done. 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:55.500 But I voted for Harris and, you know, she didn't get the nomination and, 01:20:55.760 --> 01:21:01.420 you know, I, you know, one of the things that I, I hate getting into perfectionist 01:21:01.420 --> 01:21:03.200 squabbles is that, you know, 01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:08.680 man, Joe Biden is a, is a great person. 01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:14.500 And I, I had no qualms about the fact that, Hey, if he's, if he's on the top 01:21:14.500 --> 01:21:19.540 of the ticket, I'm, I'm all for it because he is a great person and showed himself 01:21:19.540 --> 01:21:21.780 to actually be a great president. 01:21:22.480 --> 01:21:26.920 You know, that there is no doubt about that. I mean, well, there's no doubt about anybody. 01:21:27.100 --> 01:21:31.760 Even though nobody remembered, nobody cared. Nobody cares. 01:21:32.140 --> 01:21:37.720 He got a ton of stuff done. Okay. Compared to many other administrations. 01:21:38.120 --> 01:21:45.860 And so the reality is that for me, for 2028, I'm one that, you know, we, we just, Thank you. 01:21:46.480 --> 01:21:50.680 And perfectionism is the one thing that keeps getting us into trouble and having 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:52.440 these situations like this. 01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:59.960 Like all the people saying that because Biden had the wrong position on Gaza, 01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:03.120 they weren't going to vote at all or they were going to vote for Stein or something. 01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:07.680 Exactly. And it's just like, OK, you know, you're literally instead of like, 01:22:07.780 --> 01:22:12.000 OK, you know, you've got one guy that's heading in the same direction you are. 01:22:12.240 --> 01:22:15.940 Doesn't it's not 100 percent, but it's close. Instead, you choose to vote for 01:22:15.940 --> 01:22:20.440 somebody who basically will try to do the opposite, who had a son-in-law that 01:22:20.440 --> 01:22:23.900 basically said that Gaza should be flattened and condos should be built. 01:22:24.060 --> 01:22:26.700 And I'm like, how is that helpful? 01:22:27.200 --> 01:22:31.180 Again, facts. Facts are irrelevant, as you positioned earlier. 01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:38.060 Yeah. fuck no i know well i said fuck actually not facts because it's like you 01:22:38.060 --> 01:22:42.080 know just these people's oh yeah there's that yeah yeah i mean it's like every 01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:45.840 it's everything is a what the fuck moment every time i hear one of these damn 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:48.600 explanations yeah it's true because. 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:55.500 I mean i i am an i wouldn't say an older older person but i'm a mature person and there are. 01:22:55.500 --> 01:22:58.700 Some i'm older i'm not gonna say i'm mature, but definitely I'm older. 01:22:59.440 --> 01:23:01.160 Mature years, let's put it that way. 01:23:01.240 --> 01:23:01.940 Mature years, yeah. 01:23:02.100 --> 01:23:03.080 Not young anymore. 01:23:03.780 --> 01:23:04.580 That's for sure. 01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:08.880 And I was able to get, I think, a pretty good education. 01:23:09.140 --> 01:23:12.500 I mean, granted, I'm not Yale Law or anything like that, but I had a pretty 01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:14.700 good public school education. 01:23:14.980 --> 01:23:19.220 I got my mother's teachers when they were, I got, my mother's teachers were 01:23:19.220 --> 01:23:22.520 young when she went to high school. I got the older version. 01:23:24.740 --> 01:23:29.060 And then I wound up going to Northwestern, but I transferred back to a Catholic 01:23:29.060 --> 01:23:31.760 college to be closer to the FAM. And I went to law school. 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:38.220 So I got the education that I think I needed and the skill set that I needed. 01:23:38.360 --> 01:23:42.460 And a lot of folks don't have that these days. 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:46.640 But listen, do you understand that these people are like, 01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:50.040 expertise and knowledge are bullshit now. 01:23:50.040 --> 01:23:53.020 They're all they all you 01:23:53.020 --> 01:23:55.960 know it's like oh gosh i think it's fahrenheit 01:23:55.960 --> 01:23:59.040 451 isn't it when he talks about how we got how 01:23:59.040 --> 01:24:03.680 the how his part of society wound up getting to the point where they burned 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:10.520 books right and it was about how they didn't want to marginalize this person 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:15.100 or that person so they wound up just basically getting rid of everything And 01:24:15.100 --> 01:24:16.520 nobody knew anything anymore. 01:24:18.140 --> 01:24:24.700 And that's kind of where we're headed towards. And it is very, very scary. 01:24:24.980 --> 01:24:29.220 And I tell people, I feel like I'm like the prophet Jeremiah shouting in the 01:24:29.220 --> 01:24:34.100 wind sometimes. I say, you know, don't confuse information with knowledge. 01:24:34.280 --> 01:24:37.200 And don't confuse knowledge with wisdom. 01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:42.080 And don't confuse people that know how to make money with them being smart. 01:24:42.080 --> 01:24:45.060 Which is a bigger problem that we have. 01:24:45.360 --> 01:24:48.940 I used to get on my goat a lot of times. I thought to myself, 01:24:49.160 --> 01:24:52.960 why am I not in a huge firm making bank? 01:24:53.320 --> 01:24:56.980 Because I've got the education. What am I struggling for? But then I realized 01:24:56.980 --> 01:25:00.160 money was not what motivated me. 01:25:01.320 --> 01:25:08.060 Education was. Arts were. And the only reason people who are wealthy are wealthy 01:25:08.060 --> 01:25:10.840 is because they are motivated by money. 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:17.900 Yeah wait wait wait hold on not totally that okay all right you know there are, 01:25:19.200 --> 01:25:25.280 you know i will say now i will say this there are and it's not the only reason 01:25:25.280 --> 01:25:29.300 but the thing is that you have to be multifaceted to do that and the thing is 01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:33.180 that it that making money doesn't make you the fact that you can make money 01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:34.920 or you're good at one skill that gets, 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:38.040 remunerated greatly, say like a great surgeon. 01:25:38.300 --> 01:25:42.280 Okay. For example, a great surgeon may be very good at surgery and they may 01:25:42.280 --> 01:25:45.800 be very good at the procedure and making money in there and they know about 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:46.580 the procedure and whatever. 01:25:46.700 --> 01:25:49.180 It doesn't mean they have general knowledge about everything. 01:25:49.480 --> 01:25:52.640 And that's a reality of a lot of folks that they may have one skill, 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:56.980 which they excel that gets them, that gets them greatly remunerated. 01:25:57.140 --> 01:26:02.140 But, but also, you also got to remember in all these situations when you're 01:26:02.140 --> 01:26:06.280 judging like the person who is successful whether it be wealth fame whatever 01:26:06.280 --> 01:26:13.740 there is also always a huge portion of it that's just plain luck you know there is, 01:26:14.940 --> 01:26:21.740 skill matters but so does including the luck of your birth like yeah no no no 01:26:21.740 --> 01:26:23.480 totally when you were born yeah. 01:26:23.480 --> 01:26:27.980 Generational things i mean i do not come from wealthy people i mean i don't 01:26:27.980 --> 01:26:30.620 come from broke people, but I don't come from wealthy people either. 01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:36.460 But I think it's just that there is this spectrum of where you've got, 01:26:37.310 --> 01:26:42.490 different motivations, different sets of skills and, and, and what makes, 01:26:42.690 --> 01:26:46.810 but, but again, the one thing is that I, I, I, we have so many Americans that 01:26:46.810 --> 01:26:51.870 idolize just the fact of making money as equating that with any smarts. 01:26:52.050 --> 01:26:55.290 And, and that, that, that is, that is not, that is not the case. 01:26:55.730 --> 01:27:03.630 It, you know, it's like, there are so many other things that, 01:27:03.770 --> 01:27:08.070 that come into play about somebody being, being, being smart. 01:27:08.230 --> 01:27:13.650 I mean, we, we talk about like, for example, I'm somebody that's business, 01:27:13.830 --> 01:27:19.270 you know, in terms of knowledge, I, I go and I, and I say that what I have is 01:27:19.270 --> 01:27:22.590 broader knowledge, but only in depth in certain things. 01:27:23.390 --> 01:27:27.390 Well, one of the important things about that I say quality of the smartest people 01:27:27.390 --> 01:27:32.070 that I've met is, is that to know what, you know and to know what you don't know. 01:27:32.750 --> 01:27:35.790 And so if you're good at saying, well, I don't know about this, 01:27:35.870 --> 01:27:40.870 I need an expert, then you wind up excelling more than many others. 01:27:40.890 --> 01:27:43.910 And that's the one thing that I think that a lot of people right now, 01:27:43.990 --> 01:27:47.510 because they make so much money on one thing, they come to think that, 01:27:47.650 --> 01:27:49.430 well, they must know about everything. 01:27:50.290 --> 01:27:55.190 And that's not the case. But the other thing also is, what do you want to balance in life? 01:27:55.650 --> 01:27:58.450 I have a brother-in-law who works at one of those big 01:27:58.450 --> 01:28:01.730 law firms okay all right and and is making that kind 01:28:01.730 --> 01:28:04.650 of money okay and now i 01:28:04.650 --> 01:28:10.110 will say that i think probably more primary motivation for him is he wanted 01:28:10.110 --> 01:28:15.290 to to make money but he has six kids one of them with like autism that is very 01:28:15.290 --> 01:28:20.410 severe and i i think that one of his primary things has been well i need to 01:28:20.410 --> 01:28:23.270 make sure that they're taking care of that especially you know, 01:28:23.310 --> 01:28:25.990 that they're taken care of as best as possible, you know, 01:28:26.510 --> 01:28:29.770 afterwards and make sure that every one of my kids has an education and that 01:28:29.770 --> 01:28:34.350 every one of them is able to be independent on their own, you know, and those things. 01:28:34.530 --> 01:28:37.610 And, you know, when you have six of them and you want to like give them all 01:28:37.610 --> 01:28:41.590 a, as good as, as you can, something as good as your, your father did when you 01:28:41.590 --> 01:28:43.890 only were two brothers, you know, you only were two or three, 01:28:44.150 --> 01:28:46.310 it, it, it drives certain things. 01:28:46.310 --> 01:28:53.350 I think that everybody values, you know, certain things differently. And... 01:28:54.020 --> 01:28:59.140 Making the money some people value the money just for the money you know uh 01:28:59.140 --> 01:29:02.020 and that that's those people are for some people. 01:29:02.020 --> 01:29:03.140 It's how you keep score. 01:29:03.140 --> 01:29:04.880 Yes it's how you keep score. 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:06.060 What's the most choice wins. 01:29:06.060 --> 01:29:08.920 Yeah yeah i'm one that i i will say 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.840 i i do like to make money but at the same time i do 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.580 it but but sam knows that i'm like i 01:29:14.580 --> 01:29:17.700 value my quality time i i 01:29:17.700 --> 01:29:20.820 i like to do to do it in order to i 01:29:20.820 --> 01:29:24.520 don't know my love my son loves to go to disney a lot and i'm like he's 12 years 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:27.760 old he's got autism and i'm like well damn it he doesn't know the difference 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:31.900 between one one cent and one billion dollars and i'm like you know what i said 01:29:31.900 --> 01:29:36.040 fuck make enough money so i can take him as many times as he damn wants you 01:29:36.040 --> 01:29:39.380 know and that to me is more important than than, 01:29:40.140 --> 01:29:43.320 than most other things so you know 01:29:43.320 --> 01:29:48.460 it's always like different uh what motivates and drives people i say sam i know 01:29:48.460 --> 01:29:52.920 wants to order pizzas delivered so he doesn't have to cook he hates to cook 01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:58.000 well he doesn't well no he doesn't know i saw him cook well it's not a lot of 01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:02.900 cooking he does know how to put stuff in a microwave and in an oven sam when we were in college i. 01:30:02.900 --> 01:30:04.920 Have a i have a limited repertoire that. 01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:11.420 I could conceivably do but sam used to in college go make this massive massive 01:30:11.420 --> 01:30:15.760 bowl of pasta and stick a pound stick a whole thing of butter in it and that 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.280 was his meal for 24 hours i learned that from you you're. 01:30:19.280 --> 01:30:20.280 The one who taught me that. 01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:23.760 That's right but i didn't tell you the whole that that's true 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.720 i did teach you how to do that and it was like his meal for a while or just 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:32.680 just a massive or just massive bowls of popcorn with just like enough salt to 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:37.180 basically like you know mummify something you know exactly yeah that was like 01:30:37.180 --> 01:30:43.460 those things yeah and uh and uh and the frozen rolls the frozen oh. 01:30:43.460 --> 01:30:44.320 Yes yes yes. 01:30:44.320 --> 01:30:47.440 He had a little like uh crescent rolls and things. He had a little toaster oven. 01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:48.860 He could put those in the oven. Yeah. 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.460 He got an endless supply of those. 01:30:52.820 --> 01:30:57.840 Well, that could be an entirely different podcast to what you all cooked when 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.480 your wife was taking care of her mother. 01:31:01.620 --> 01:31:04.840 Oh, we didn't. We didn't. The 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:10.520 giant bowls of popcorn and ordering food delivered the entire time. Okay. 01:31:10.620 --> 01:31:12.420 I guess that's why the good Lord made Grubhub. 01:31:12.420 --> 01:31:14.660 Yes exactly exactly. 01:31:14.660 --> 01:31:20.160 Exactly that's you've got now now you understand that you know if you told sam 01:31:20.160 --> 01:31:24.280 what do i want to make money for so i don't ever have to, 01:31:25.230 --> 01:31:31.250 go to a store or cook anything ever again. And that would be like, that's his nirvana. 01:31:31.690 --> 01:31:36.730 My, my, my good wife of course disagrees, but I have been quoted before complaining 01:31:36.730 --> 01:31:42.450 on why I couldn't buy a, rent an apartment or buy a house without a kitchen. 01:31:42.450 --> 01:31:44.350 Cause it was the most useless room in the house. 01:31:45.630 --> 01:31:50.350 Well, well, maybe a little kitchenette. I mean, all these things. 01:31:50.470 --> 01:31:55.030 Well, fridge, whatever you can put that into bedroom. Yeah. 01:31:55.230 --> 01:31:56.270 Maybe a little bit different. 01:31:56.750 --> 01:32:00.130 Well, it'd be like college again, wouldn't it? You have your micro fridge or whatever. 01:32:00.390 --> 01:32:02.810 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we want. That's all you need. Yeah. 01:32:03.350 --> 01:32:04.050 That's all you need. 01:32:04.410 --> 01:32:05.670 You need to move back to Hampshire Hall. 01:32:07.030 --> 01:32:10.650 Since we're going off track, shall we take another break real quick and then 01:32:10.650 --> 01:32:12.310 wrap it up with whatever is left? 01:32:12.870 --> 01:32:12.970 Yeah. 01:32:13.250 --> 01:32:18.750 Okay. And Yvonne complained last time that the break we had was one with us 01:32:18.750 --> 01:32:20.170 making goofy noises and sound. 01:32:20.650 --> 01:32:22.610 No, no, I did not complain. 01:32:22.610 --> 01:32:27.030 And he said, if only that break had been the Ray Lynch break, 01:32:27.250 --> 01:32:29.650 because that would be more impressive for Monica. 01:32:29.990 --> 01:32:30.290 Right. 01:32:30.870 --> 01:32:35.290 As it happens, I pick these breaks randomly, but the next one is the Ray Lynch. 01:32:35.370 --> 01:32:39.910 Oh, thank God. This is great. We're all complete. Well, we are nuts, 01:32:40.030 --> 01:32:42.310 but not completely off the rails. 01:32:42.850 --> 01:32:46.610 So here we go. Here's the two minute Ray Lynch break, and then we'll be back 01:32:46.610 --> 01:32:49.930 and I don't know. I'll pick something to talk about and then we'll wrap it up. Here we go. 01:32:50.130 --> 01:32:50.530 Okay. 01:34:51.230 --> 01:34:57.470 Okay we are back okay so 01:34:57.470 --> 01:35:00.270 i i was thinking you know there are a lot of things 01:35:00.270 --> 01:35:07.930 on on the potential topics list you know the the tiktok ban the the funny willis 01:35:07.930 --> 01:35:13.830 the gates report uh the potential speaker race all this kind of stuff but since 01:35:13.830 --> 01:35:18.110 since we have monica i i want to get uh her her take on a little bit. 01:35:18.410 --> 01:35:25.830 Because in terms of what the Democrats are currently doing in Congress nationally, 01:35:26.670 --> 01:35:33.050 one of the things that happened in the last week was this whole thing with AOC 01:35:33.050 --> 01:35:40.470 running for the chair of the House Oversight Committee and Pelosi and company 01:35:40.470 --> 01:35:43.870 actively lobbying against her to get, you know, 01:35:44.390 --> 01:35:47.510 this guy was ahead of her in seniority. He's in his 70s. 01:35:47.690 --> 01:35:50.010 He was just diagnosed with throat cancer. 01:35:50.610 --> 01:35:57.050 He's, you know, but he's part of the old guard. And I'll tell you my take on 01:35:57.050 --> 01:35:59.630 this is that, first of all, 01:36:00.230 --> 01:36:05.010 you know, when AOC first came on the scene, I felt like, you know, 01:36:05.330 --> 01:36:09.150 there are a lot of policy things where I felt like she was very naive and her 01:36:09.150 --> 01:36:11.690 approach was very naive in a lot of things. 01:36:12.430 --> 01:36:19.590 But I felt like she, from the very beginning, had a lot of energy and appeal as well. 01:36:19.930 --> 01:36:25.990 And I think after a few years in Congress, she's matured a lot. 01:36:26.190 --> 01:36:30.110 She's grown up. She knows the ropes a little bit. Now, a lot of people on the 01:36:30.110 --> 01:36:34.330 progressive side seem to think that she's betrayed them in some way because 01:36:34.330 --> 01:36:35.810 she's willing to work the system. 01:36:36.230 --> 01:36:42.850 But at the same time, I feel like this whole Pelosi putting the thumb on the 01:36:42.850 --> 01:36:49.090 scale and them going with the old guy rather than the young blood is a mistake. 01:36:49.090 --> 01:36:54.750 That I think like just in general, the, the old guard that's not, 01:36:54.850 --> 01:36:58.210 not even boomers, we're talking silent generation, 01:36:58.590 --> 01:37:08.150 still like having trouble letting go and not necessarily having the right time. 01:37:08.620 --> 01:37:13.700 Approach to be like, we're about to enter at least two years, 01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:19.660 maybe for where like the Democrats are 100% in the opposition nationally. 01:37:20.260 --> 01:37:24.820 And how do you make the best of that bad situation? 01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:30.400 And I feel like a lot of the old school Democrats are still feeling like, 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:37.700 okay, well, we'll try to figure out how to work with the Trump administration 01:37:37.700 --> 01:37:39.540 and we'll do this and we'll do that. 01:37:39.700 --> 01:37:44.160 And, and to some degree, like you want to mitigate the damage and to some degree 01:37:44.160 --> 01:37:45.900 that requires negotiations, blah, blah, blah. 01:37:46.100 --> 01:37:54.320 But I feel like the just general approach of like, has not been working in terms 01:37:54.320 --> 01:37:56.140 of what they've been doing. 01:37:56.480 --> 01:38:01.440 And for God's sake, it's time to let the new blood in, even if it's, 01:38:01.440 --> 01:38:05.900 even if they aren't going to do exactly what you hope they would do? 01:38:06.040 --> 01:38:08.300 I don't know. What are your thoughts, Monica? 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.520 I think this might be one of those things where we might disagree. 01:38:11.820 --> 01:38:12.620 Okay, that's cool. 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:19.220 The first thing that I really do wish a layperson would realize, 01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:23.160 and when people say they get on their horse about, oh, why didn't so-and-so 01:38:23.160 --> 01:38:24.760 do this or why didn't so-and-so do that? 01:38:24.980 --> 01:38:30.560 I wonder what sort of things are going on that we are not privy to. 01:38:31.440 --> 01:38:37.320 At all. And I hearken back also to my former congressman, Rick Larson, 01:38:37.660 --> 01:38:41.280 who is the ranking member of the Transportation Committee. 01:38:41.580 --> 01:38:45.460 So he's ranking member of the Transportation Committee. He started being the 01:38:45.460 --> 01:38:49.140 ranking member of the Transportation Committee in 2022. 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:55.920 Rick was elected to Congress in 2001 or 2000. 01:38:56.140 --> 01:38:59.020 So that's 20 years before you get to be ranking. 01:38:59.020 --> 01:39:04.760 Oh, there's certainly a put-in-your-dues structure. 01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:05.520 That's what I'm thinking. 01:39:05.780 --> 01:39:11.940 And a lot of it, by the way, is deserved because you learn the ropes and you 01:39:11.940 --> 01:39:16.280 learn what works and what doesn't and what's important and how to get things done. 01:39:16.480 --> 01:39:19.640 And so there is a strong argument for put-in-your-dues. 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:25.840 Yeah, but I'm also remembering that both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama got to 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:27.400 be president before they were 50s. 01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:29.620 Okay frankly i didn't. 01:39:29.620 --> 01:39:31.060 Vote for either of them i. 01:39:31.060 --> 01:39:32.020 Voted i. 01:39:32.020 --> 01:39:37.440 Voted for barack obama in 2012 but i could never bring myself to vote for bill 01:39:37.440 --> 01:39:39.880 clinton because i hated how he treated the women in his life. 01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.140 Well i was well but but 01:39:44.140 --> 01:39:49.460 but you know but i'm not even bringing that i'm not saying about about whether 01:39:49.460 --> 01:39:54.580 one voted or not what my point is the age okay the reality is that this was 01:39:54.580 --> 01:40:02.300 much they were much younger you know and you know a lot of times i do get the waiting like. 01:40:02.300 --> 01:40:03.880 What less than less than a. 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:08.400 Full term in the senate full term in the senate i i do think that i i get for 01:40:08.400 --> 01:40:11.820 wait looks i do understand how committee assignments and certain things that 01:40:11.820 --> 01:40:15.580 you want certain people to have certain experience and i get that but i also 01:40:15.580 --> 01:40:20.500 still see a lot of like not wanting to let go of power and that's the part where 01:40:20.500 --> 01:40:23.540 i'm just like look guys okay i'm sorry you're already past 80. 01:40:24.100 --> 01:40:28.040 Okay. Look, I'm like, at least for God's sakes, and maybe, you know, 01:40:28.180 --> 01:40:31.740 and by the way, Gen X has bored a brunt more of this. 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:34.780 And it's not just the government, but across the board and in every, 01:40:34.780 --> 01:40:39.540 in every, in every, in everywhere. 01:40:39.860 --> 01:40:43.700 You know, I remember when I joined Hewlett Packard back in the nineties. 01:40:43.900 --> 01:40:50.300 Okay. And every leader that was in executive positions was in their forties. Okay. Okay. 01:40:50.660 --> 01:40:55.120 And I still remember how most of those leaders never let go. 01:40:55.360 --> 01:41:01.100 So we would get those jobs like they just wouldn't at all, ever. 01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:03.140 They just wouldn't let go. 01:41:03.660 --> 01:41:08.860 And when they would wind up promoting us into those positions many times, 01:41:09.080 --> 01:41:11.700 they would wind up giving us half the money that we're getting paid, 01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.440 which I'm just like, well, you're just some young, dumb, whatever. 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:18.040 Now you're not making up by you, you, you, you, you, you gotta pay less. 01:41:18.040 --> 01:41:21.300 And I'm like, what the hell is this? Okay. 01:41:21.700 --> 01:41:29.920 And I think that I'm one that I get maybe not talking about AOC specifically, just taking that aside. 01:41:30.740 --> 01:41:36.280 You know, I know that Hakeem Jeffries is right now the leader of the House. 01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:42.200 Yeah. Like Pelosi did step aside. Yeah. Pelosi did step aside. 01:41:42.480 --> 01:41:44.880 Yeah. But she's still exerting a lot of influence. 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.000 She's still exerting a lot of influence. Yeah. 01:41:47.120 --> 01:41:48.460 Yeah. Yeah, it is a thing. 01:41:48.500 --> 01:41:53.060 How much do we actually know that it was Nancy that did it? And the other. 01:41:53.060 --> 01:41:56.320 Thing is— There was a lot of reporting that she was going around with. 01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.400 Yeah, reporting. Again, how much of that is accurate? I mean, 01:41:59.580 --> 01:42:02.220 I posit this to you. You have a problem with age right now. 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:08.460 If we didn't have the problem with age that we have, Joe Biden would be president next month. 01:42:09.480 --> 01:42:12.220 I'm with you, and I would have voted for Joe Biden in a heartbeat. 01:42:12.500 --> 01:42:17.880 But here's the one thing. But there's two different things in play here. 01:42:18.100 --> 01:42:22.480 One is, look, to be fair, by the way, like I said, I love Joe Biden. 01:42:23.380 --> 01:42:27.120 I'm like, look, I would have voted for a corpse against Trump. OK, all right. 01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:34.180 You know, literally. I mean, if the candidate had died before and is still on 01:42:34.180 --> 01:42:35.920 the ballot, I would have voted for the dead guy. 01:42:36.160 --> 01:42:36.400 Sure. 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:41.540 OK, so there is this one thing, and it doesn't mean that I don't love it. 01:42:41.540 --> 01:42:47.720 But I do think that we, look, amongst leadership in this country in general, 01:42:48.440 --> 01:42:50.600 okay, I'm talking in general. 01:42:51.170 --> 01:42:58.210 We have had a stint of a generation that basically has held on to many reigns 01:42:58.210 --> 01:43:00.790 of power, whether it's in corporate America, political America, 01:43:00.990 --> 01:43:03.010 far longer than previous generations used to. 01:43:03.690 --> 01:43:06.090 In part because not so many of them lived that long. 01:43:06.350 --> 01:43:10.830 But also, just to be clear, it's not just – yeah, I know. 01:43:10.950 --> 01:43:16.210 It's definitely like there's that population bulge that's working its way out of their system. 01:43:16.390 --> 01:43:16.590 Right. 01:43:16.710 --> 01:43:20.870 But it's also – it's not just about age. It's also about approach. 01:43:21.170 --> 01:43:24.630 I think part of the problem, and getting back to politics as opposed to business, 01:43:24.790 --> 01:43:26.590 although the same thing may apply in business, 01:43:27.090 --> 01:43:33.910 there's a lot of, you know, this is the way we do it because this is how we've always done it, 01:43:33.910 --> 01:43:37.230 which is not working in the modern 01:43:37.230 --> 01:43:44.250 day and is revealing sort of a lack of understanding of a lot of dynamics. 01:43:44.250 --> 01:43:48.230 Like one of the things that was brought up as a critique of the Harris campaign 01:43:48.230 --> 01:43:52.170 was a lot of emphasis on traditional media. 01:43:52.650 --> 01:43:57.510 Like they were buying tons of commercials everywhere. And whereas a lot of what 01:43:57.510 --> 01:44:01.110 was actually reaching people was Internet stuff that they emphasized less. 01:44:01.290 --> 01:44:04.110 They didn't do nothing, of course, but they emphasized less. 01:44:04.570 --> 01:44:11.150 And does part of that come from just having people in charge who grew up when, 01:44:11.270 --> 01:44:12.470 of course, that's how you do it? 01:44:12.470 --> 01:44:21.430 And one of the criticisms of Biden was he spent way too long trying to get back to, okay. 01:44:21.950 --> 01:44:27.670 The ideal of how we do things is bipartisan deals and we work with the other 01:44:27.670 --> 01:44:32.370 side and we make blah, blah, blah, whereas we have a Republican Party now who's 01:44:32.370 --> 01:44:33.890 not interested in doing that. 01:44:33.890 --> 01:44:37.670 And so maybe he should have jettisoned a lot earlier and said, 01:44:37.790 --> 01:44:41.210 okay, we're going to go full speed ahead with what we can do on our own, 01:44:41.350 --> 01:44:44.790 which he eventually did. But it took him a long time to get there. 01:44:45.170 --> 01:44:49.690 And just in general, that a lot of the leadership that we're talking about, 01:44:49.790 --> 01:44:51.950 oh, they're hanging on longer than they should. 01:44:52.350 --> 01:44:58.710 But part of it is not just, okay, they've been around a long time, 01:44:58.830 --> 01:45:04.310 they're old. It's that they're still pushing old approaches where we really need something fresh. 01:45:04.790 --> 01:45:08.010 You have to balance that, though. Here's what I see. 01:45:08.250 --> 01:45:15.450 I see folks who are very eager to try something new simply for the sake of trying something new. 01:45:16.330 --> 01:45:16.570 Yeah. 01:45:17.550 --> 01:45:19.070 True. True. 01:45:19.350 --> 01:45:24.870 And at least specifically the proverbial case at Barr with Representative Ocasio-Cortez. 01:45:25.130 --> 01:45:27.750 Yes, he is very media savvy. 01:45:29.010 --> 01:45:33.290 That is not the same thing as chairing an oversight committee. I don't know. 01:45:33.470 --> 01:45:38.650 It doesn't seem like the fellow that they ultimately selected is all that great either. 01:45:38.750 --> 01:45:44.990 Frankly. Well, the thing is, too, just as a member of the oversight committee, she has... 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:51.500 Shown on a number of different occasions, the ability to use that platform very, very well. 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:57.280 And so the idea is maybe because she's done very well as a member of that committee, 01:45:57.460 --> 01:46:01.060 maybe she could do well as a chair. You're right. It's not necessarily the skillset. 01:46:01.380 --> 01:46:04.120 And she can continue to do well as a member, as a member. 01:46:04.340 --> 01:46:07.540 Well, Monica, I will say one thing. My advocacy for 01:46:07.540 --> 01:46:11.360 something new is not just because of something new i i 01:46:11.360 --> 01:46:14.880 i have observed over the last decade 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:17.940 plus we talk about the media landscape changing where the 01:46:17.940 --> 01:46:20.820 biggest influence where the biggest influences in the media landscape are 01:46:20.820 --> 01:46:23.720 new media not old media and the 01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:26.520 reality is that the younger generation is a lot savvier than 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:29.720 that and for whatever the hell damn reason the the right wingers 01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:32.860 have been the ones that have been the most adept at 01:46:32.860 --> 01:46:35.700 using that new media in large part because they 01:46:35.700 --> 01:46:39.120 used to be listen because their views were so insane 01:46:39.120 --> 01:46:41.900 that that okay yes we're not going 01:46:41.900 --> 01:46:45.560 to put nazis on nbc right right because 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:48.240 that we're not doing that we're okay you know we're not 01:46:48.240 --> 01:46:54.080 platforming nazis we're not we're not we're not platforming you know people 01:46:54.080 --> 01:46:59.160 that hate homosexuals we're not gonna we're not gonna go and like platform people 01:46:59.160 --> 01:47:04.400 because it it seemed like on a general basis that that seemed especially given 01:47:04.400 --> 01:47:06.620 from where we came from, the 60s, 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:14.420 70s, and 80s, and this evolution that we did in rights amongst groups, 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:16.380 that that's not the right thing to do. 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:21.680 Well, all those rails, like you talked about, equal time or whatever, are gone. 01:47:21.940 --> 01:47:28.660 And the reality is that when you look at the most popular platforms in that 01:47:28.660 --> 01:47:30.560 space, they're all right-wing. 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:38.700 I mean, they're all right-wing. the Infowars, Joe Rogan, all these damn, all these damn people. 01:47:39.040 --> 01:47:45.080 And I, and I'm just like, look, unless we bring in a generation that is as savvy 01:47:45.080 --> 01:47:50.560 as using that and using that power and harnessing it to communicate a different message, 01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:57.440 these people have an advantage right now that is, is difficult to overcome. 01:47:58.360 --> 01:48:03.320 And that's my thought in terms of bring them in younger that, 01:48:03.320 --> 01:48:07.260 that are a lot to our cause. They know how to use that platform. 01:48:07.440 --> 01:48:11.180 We need them to use that platform. We need them to be out there in order and 01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:14.260 we need to empower them so they can be heard more. 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:18.180 That's, that's my thing. And it's not, you know, I, you know, 01:48:18.280 --> 01:48:22.160 yeah, I'm not trying new things for new things. I'm like, there is some specific, 01:48:22.910 --> 01:48:26.490 hole that we have right now. And somehow that needs to be filled. 01:48:26.950 --> 01:48:31.350 And I don't think that I'm going to get Nancy or a whole bunch of people that 01:48:31.350 --> 01:48:34.610 are from her group to be TikTok stars right now. 01:48:36.490 --> 01:48:39.170 I want to see Nancy Pelosi's TikTok dance. 01:48:40.130 --> 01:48:44.450 So because a person can't dab, they can't be president? Or I don't get it. 01:48:44.670 --> 01:48:47.630 It's not that they can't. No, it's just, it's not that they can't dab, 01:48:47.710 --> 01:48:48.470 they can't be president. 01:48:48.670 --> 01:48:51.710 It's just that I'm not even saying, I'm not saying about the presidential candidate. 01:48:51.710 --> 01:48:55.590 I'm saying that we need to move more of those people into the forefront of certain 01:48:55.590 --> 01:48:59.910 leadership positions and places so they can influence the agenda out there. 01:49:00.050 --> 01:49:03.070 And it doesn't mean that they are going to be the presidential candidate, 01:49:03.070 --> 01:49:07.050 but it does mean that the social discourse needs to change where only the right 01:49:07.050 --> 01:49:08.850 wingers are the ones monopolizing it. 01:49:08.950 --> 01:49:12.430 Even on the Republican side, it's not that those people are the ones that wound 01:49:12.430 --> 01:49:16.730 up being president. They push for Trump, who couldn't do a TikTok if his life 01:49:16.730 --> 01:49:21.070 depended on it, okay, and probably needs his daily instructions on how to even 01:49:21.070 --> 01:49:23.030 post something on Truth Social, okay? 01:49:23.250 --> 01:49:27.550 So, yeah, no, but either we get that group together. 01:49:28.080 --> 01:49:32.860 In those positions. I mean, look at the damn people that he surrounded himself 01:49:32.860 --> 01:49:38.580 with in his cabinet, like guys like Steve Miller, for God's sake, psychopath, lunatic. 01:49:38.820 --> 01:49:41.260 But the guy, you know, uses that stuff. 01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:43.920 Alex Jones, Steve Bannon. 01:49:44.240 --> 01:49:46.260 I mean, who was a pioneer in that space? 01:49:46.940 --> 01:49:49.060 That's, you know, because I do have. 01:49:49.260 --> 01:49:53.800 Yeah, yeah. I was about to say, we're running up against the two hours and Monica 01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.860 has somewhere to go. So let's give her the last word on that. 01:49:57.060 --> 01:49:57.840 Let's give her the last word. 01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:01.540 And then we can do the usual wrap-up of the show. 01:50:01.780 --> 01:50:06.440 So last word on this topic, Monica, you get to close it out. 01:50:07.140 --> 01:50:17.060 I think that we need to do a lot more listening and a lot more learning and a lot less posturing. 01:50:17.180 --> 01:50:20.740 I think it's the time to do some reflection. 01:50:20.740 --> 01:50:25.240 And this particular holiday season, as Kamala Harris said, 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:31.280 is the time to reflect and to go back with your families and to just think of 01:50:31.280 --> 01:50:38.180 what really matters to you and focus on a couple of things rather than try to fight the fire hose. 01:50:38.180 --> 01:50:40.420 Because it's coming. 01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.480 Get your energy, conserve your energy, get your group of folks. 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.100 I mean, don't silo yourself, obviously, but you're going to need your friends 01:50:49.100 --> 01:50:52.860 for the next two to four years, definitely. 01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:58.980 And try to keep your relationships together and take a step back sometimes. 01:50:59.100 --> 01:51:03.880 Because I think a lot of times when we get to this non-legacy media stuff, 01:51:04.060 --> 01:51:10.000 this and when I say nascent media, back, back in the days of the Nazis, it was the radio, right? 01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:13.840 It's, we figured out. 01:51:14.120 --> 01:51:15.060 Exactly. 01:51:15.380 --> 01:51:21.040 We figured out a way to, to do it. I think to be a little more reflective, 01:51:21.040 --> 01:51:24.860 to be a little more thinking things through, as we talked about earlier, 01:51:25.100 --> 01:51:28.360 rather than, you know, saying, okay, we got to do this. We got to do that. 01:51:28.480 --> 01:51:33.280 We got to do that. But maybe think those things through a little bit further 01:51:33.280 --> 01:51:39.240 and see where kind of the likely things, because we are going to be going up 01:51:39.240 --> 01:51:43.200 against people who, frankly, they don't care about our country. 01:51:43.480 --> 01:51:48.400 They just want to get as much money or whatever they can for themselves out 01:51:48.400 --> 01:51:52.100 of it, which to me is comical because we're only here on this planet for 70, 01:51:52.200 --> 01:51:53.920 80 years. Then where does it go? 01:51:55.240 --> 01:52:00.920 And so I guess that's basically it. I'm going to try to listen more, 01:52:01.100 --> 01:52:08.100 as I have done here, and try to talk to some folks and see what they have to say, new and old. 01:52:08.570 --> 01:52:14.770 And try to use the brain of mine and hopefully form some conclusions that, 01:52:14.850 --> 01:52:19.150 that will work at least in my own backyard, if not, not nationally. 01:52:19.870 --> 01:52:24.390 But thank you both for letting me come onto your show. It was a lot of fun. 01:52:24.570 --> 01:52:29.530 Oh, absolutely. And you're, you're, you're welcome to join us in the future as well. 01:52:30.530 --> 01:52:34.430 And, but yeah, I had a lot of fun. Thank you so much for coming. 01:52:35.270 --> 01:52:41.690 Our wrap-up that we're about to do usually takes about 10 minutes you're free to drop off we have. 01:52:41.690 --> 01:52:43.930 To do it in like two minutes sam i already got the call. 01:52:43.930 --> 01:52:49.230 Okay we'll do we'll do the speed version of it but anyway thank you mona thanks. 01:52:49.230 --> 01:52:51.210 Very much have a good holiday season. 01:52:51.210 --> 01:52:54.590 You too as well okay we. 01:52:54.590 --> 01:52:56.010 Have to do the super speedy version. 01:52:56.010 --> 01:53:00.850 Hopefully she remembers to like save the thing uh anyway oh yes so the super 01:53:00.850 --> 01:53:03.370 speedy version first of all i meant to say this at the very beginning of the 01:53:03.370 --> 01:53:05.550 show, but we ended up just jumping into it. 01:53:06.110 --> 01:53:15.790 Next week is our prediction show. 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