WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:03.810 Hey, this is Sam from the future. Just to say, during the show, 00:00:03.910 --> 00:00:10.170 at one point, we briefly in passing mentioned that the Syrian rebels were making 00:00:10.170 --> 00:00:13.850 some progress and taking some ground and blah, blah, blah. 00:00:14.030 --> 00:00:17.690 But we didn't really talk about it at all. It was just sort of literally in 00:00:17.690 --> 00:00:20.270 passing as something we weren't really going to spend time on. 00:00:20.270 --> 00:00:24.950 But since we recorded the show and before I'm putting it out, 00:00:25.310 --> 00:00:32.890 the Syrian government of Assad, of Bashir Assad, fell completely. 00:00:33.550 --> 00:00:37.210 He left the country. The rebels have taken over. 00:00:37.250 --> 00:00:42.630 The prime minister is handing over the reins of power, etc. There were some 00:00:42.630 --> 00:00:47.110 rumors for a little while that Bashir himself may have died in a plane crash, 00:00:47.270 --> 00:00:49.070 but it seems that was false. 00:00:49.330 --> 00:00:52.250 And he has actually made it safely to Russia. 00:00:53.170 --> 00:00:58.370 And there's a lot of question about this HTS group who's taken over. 00:00:58.710 --> 00:01:04.150 And they're the ones that actually took over Damascus, but they're in a coalition 00:01:04.150 --> 00:01:10.150 with a lot of other rebel groups. And it's historically a jihadist group, 00:01:10.170 --> 00:01:11.830 but are they more moderate now? 00:01:12.010 --> 00:01:16.230 They're claiming to be or not, or what will happen next, and blah, blah, blah. 00:01:16.670 --> 00:01:21.630 Both Israel and the U.S. are attacking various things in Syria to try to take 00:01:21.630 --> 00:01:26.330 out weapons stores and other stuff to keep them out of the hands of the rebels that just took over. 00:01:26.910 --> 00:01:30.030 Developments are moving rapidly, in other words. Things are happening, 00:01:30.130 --> 00:01:32.210 and we did not talk about it on the show at all. 00:01:32.770 --> 00:01:35.450 Depending on what else happens in the world over the 00:01:35.450 --> 00:01:40.670 next week we may or may not end up talking about it next week but major development 00:01:40.670 --> 00:01:45.050 that happened in this interim period between recording the show and putting 00:01:45.050 --> 00:01:54.250 it out so i thought i'd just make a note of it anyway here's our show do do do hello okay. 00:01:54.250 --> 00:01:55.930 I can only be on briefly. 00:01:55.930 --> 00:01:58.230 Okay all. 00:01:58.230 --> 00:02:05.290 Right so one yeah she's because they like you know they give you this stuff 00:02:05.290 --> 00:02:09.890 that basically just like numbs down the leg like like crazy but that's wearing off. 00:02:09.890 --> 00:02:14.110 Okay okay uh so i could just join. 00:02:14.110 --> 00:02:16.650 To i don't know talk for a little bit and. 00:02:16.650 --> 00:02:20.850 Then i'll let you how long do you think briefly is are we talking half an hour i. 00:02:20.850 --> 00:02:22.230 Don't know if you maybe yeah. 00:02:22.230 --> 00:02:25.610 15 minutes 10 minutes five i don't know depends. 00:02:25.610 --> 00:02:27.590 On when i get the call that she's she. 00:02:27.590 --> 00:02:32.250 Needs help okay okay then let's just uh get the sucker going here we go, 00:02:55.950 --> 00:03:02.310 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, December 7th, 2024. 00:03:02.970 --> 00:03:06.570 It's just after 20 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Menter, 00:03:06.690 --> 00:03:07.830 Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne. 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:08.890 Hello. 00:03:09.890 --> 00:03:13.770 So, so, so. I mentioned last week. 00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:15.350 I run a hospital, Sam. 00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:20.610 So tell us about this. I only mentioned last week that you were out due to a 00:03:20.610 --> 00:03:24.270 family health thing and that, you know, your wife had been injured. 00:03:24.270 --> 00:03:26.050 Do you have any more you want to share on that? 00:03:26.330 --> 00:03:31.050 Well, yeah, she ruptured her Achilles tendon playing basketball with my son 00:03:31.050 --> 00:03:36.490 last Wednesday. Now, look, my wife is somebody that actually partakes in a lot 00:03:36.490 --> 00:03:40.690 of athletic activities, including Spartan races. 00:03:40.990 --> 00:03:44.290 I don't know if you've ever seen a video of those. They're nuts. 00:03:44.430 --> 00:03:48.730 There are these massive obstacle races where you have to climb ropes and you 00:03:48.730 --> 00:03:54.010 have to do all sorts of crazy things while you run for miles, for example. 00:03:54.270 --> 00:03:58.170 Um you know she you know she exercises 00:03:58.170 --> 00:04:00.990 a lot lifts weights does all this shit so it's not 00:04:00.990 --> 00:04:03.850 like she's out of shape and doing exercise so she was just doing some 00:04:03.850 --> 00:04:08.330 light basketball with my son and all of a sudden in some drill her achilles 00:04:08.330 --> 00:04:14.630 tendon snapped she had to be taken to the er they diagnosed it she can't you 00:04:14.630 --> 00:04:20.170 couldn't walk doc it's happened a weekend before thanksgiving our Thanksgiving 00:04:20.170 --> 00:04:22.550 weekend plans were completely ruined. 00:04:23.630 --> 00:04:27.970 Monday, I got her to the doctor. They confirmed the diagnosis at the ER. 00:04:28.530 --> 00:04:33.890 Then they had to do an MRI. And the same day that I needed to do a CAT CT scan 00:04:33.890 --> 00:04:38.710 for my lower intestines because of my episode the last week. 00:04:38.810 --> 00:04:43.970 So I had an MRI in the morning and then a CT scan in the afternoon. 00:04:43.990 --> 00:04:49.610 And then the next day, surgery, which is thursday all day for your hospital 00:04:49.610 --> 00:04:55.630 for my wife yeah because apparently i'm i'm fine and then you know there was 00:04:55.630 --> 00:05:01.030 a condo election this week that also happened on tuesday that was. 00:05:03.450 --> 00:05:07.230 Basically my election for the 00:05:07.230 --> 00:05:17.190 board is a mirror of the 2020 election for president 2020 not 2024 yeah not 00:05:17.190 --> 00:05:24.170 2024 2020 yeah in which i did in re-election so. 00:05:24.170 --> 00:05:29.490 So wait if if it's 2020 so then you're the trump character here you're the the 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:32.310 evil person in charge and somebody's trying to kick you out. 00:05:32.310 --> 00:05:42.610 No no no i'm well no it's it's 2020 in the sense that i'm i'm i'm like biden And I did win. Okay. 00:05:43.150 --> 00:05:46.610 But the election has been heavily disputed. 00:05:46.790 --> 00:05:47.430 Okay. 00:05:48.190 --> 00:05:55.310 By the other people. A lot of it because they didn't really understand the law. 00:05:56.870 --> 00:06:03.310 Even though it's a whole bunch of flurry of actions and things have been filed by this person. 00:06:03.430 --> 00:06:07.950 But let's be clear about this. This guy who was leading it is an attorney. 00:06:08.530 --> 00:06:14.010 And then I go and I look at, okay, where is he an attorney at? Okay. 00:06:14.450 --> 00:06:18.590 I don't know if you clicked on the information I sent about him, Sam. 00:06:18.590 --> 00:06:20.750 No, I just read what you said. I didn't click through. 00:06:21.470 --> 00:06:27.210 Okay. So you didn't read that he, it's a, it's a law firm that has four lawyers, 00:06:27.610 --> 00:06:34.930 two, two partners, but the main partner is a guy that has been on the defense team for Rudy Giuliani, 00:06:35.750 --> 00:06:39.110 uh, Papadopoulos, Carter Page, 00:06:40.510 --> 00:06:42.470 Kyle Rittenhouse. Okay. 00:06:43.030 --> 00:06:50.270 And is an attorney that has been the one that represented the, the most J sixers. 00:06:50.830 --> 00:06:51.510 Okay. 00:06:51.950 --> 00:07:01.710 And this guy is his young apprentice. And he came in screaming how I, at this election, 00:07:02.010 --> 00:07:08.570 I always bring our legal counsel to make sure that the election is run in accordance with the statutes. 00:07:09.230 --> 00:07:13.970 Okay. And this guy kept screaming how that's not the law. 00:07:14.330 --> 00:07:18.810 And my attorney kept having to say, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. 00:07:19.790 --> 00:07:20.390 Lovely. 00:07:21.110 --> 00:07:27.750 And has continued to file a series of actions and things and challenges, 00:07:28.790 --> 00:07:34.590 all which are basically have fallen flat because he doesn't know the law or 00:07:34.590 --> 00:07:35.710 he's choosing to ignore the law. 00:07:35.830 --> 00:07:38.910 I'm actually on the side that he doesn't really know the law because he's barely 00:07:38.910 --> 00:07:40.510 passed the bar a couple of months ago. 00:07:40.930 --> 00:07:45.230 This guy is a 23-year-old, 24-year-old guy as far as I can tell, 00:07:45.350 --> 00:07:47.310 26, 27, something in the 20s. 00:07:47.790 --> 00:07:52.030 But one thing about being a lawyer and you having passed the bar a couple of 00:07:52.030 --> 00:07:55.730 months ago is that if you're that young a lawyer and haven't really practiced, 00:07:55.890 --> 00:07:58.330 you don't really know the law yet, okay? 00:07:58.750 --> 00:08:04.110 It really takes a lot of work for you to get. And there are a lot of specialties, okay? 00:08:04.390 --> 00:08:08.350 You know, a lawyer that is a criminal attorney doesn't know condominium law, 00:08:08.710 --> 00:08:11.110 okay? Or tax law, for example. 00:08:11.550 --> 00:08:16.050 They're not the same, you know, the same things. 00:08:16.050 --> 00:08:18.930 And so anyway, uh, uh, 00:08:19.350 --> 00:08:22.850 he actually last night, well, wait, wait, wait, but it gets better because last 00:08:22.850 --> 00:08:24.170 night after a surgery or whatever, 00:08:24.430 --> 00:08:31.770 after our property manager in violation of privacy laws, for some reason thought 00:08:31.770 --> 00:08:37.410 it was okay to share the email addresses of all the owners of the association without their consent, 00:08:37.650 --> 00:08:39.970 which by the way, needs to be done, 00:08:40.850 --> 00:08:43.670 sent out a solicitation to have me recalled from office. 00:08:43.990 --> 00:08:44.590 Mm-hmm. 00:08:46.150 --> 00:08:52.410 And so, I mean, I'm like this guy, you know, I don't know that I, 00:08:53.470 --> 00:08:58.650 it's just all these people that are in this circle. 00:08:59.090 --> 00:09:04.090 They think that just screaming and yelling and saying, you don't know the law. 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:07.590 When I'm like, no, the guy that doesn't know the law is you. I don't know. 00:09:08.190 --> 00:09:11.830 They keep citing incorrect law. And they were driving me crazy. 00:09:12.150 --> 00:09:16.450 So let me ask a fundamental question. and then we can move on because like nobody 00:09:16.450 --> 00:09:24.050 cares about the details of your condo association to be frank but no like is 00:09:24.050 --> 00:09:27.670 there actually a contentious issue here like why does anybody care. 00:09:27.670 --> 00:09:33.570 Like is there something they hate i'll tell you well here that you're doing that they don't like, 00:09:34.370 --> 00:09:37.230 listen as far as i can tell the only issue 00:09:37.230 --> 00:09:40.210 has been that there was a construction project that did that got very delayed 00:09:40.210 --> 00:09:43.430 okay you know because as construction projects 00:09:43.430 --> 00:09:48.050 do and they were irate about the delays in the construction that that's 00:09:48.050 --> 00:09:51.390 it i there's nothing else really and and a few people have repeated that to 00:09:51.390 --> 00:09:55.090 me and it's just that you know you do construction projects and contractors 00:09:55.090 --> 00:10:01.410 being contractors and you know it it wind up it wound up making it that the 00:10:01.410 --> 00:10:05.450 construction the pool wound up closed supposed to be closed for four months 00:10:05.450 --> 00:10:06.850 it wound up being closed for, 00:10:07.550 --> 00:10:10.410 14 months okay that's and i 00:10:10.410 --> 00:10:14.390 understand it's a bit longer and i understand their their of frustration, 00:10:14.650 --> 00:10:21.690 but, you know, look at some point at month five, as they were going along and 00:10:21.690 --> 00:10:25.670 the pools moving along, all of a sudden all the workers walked off the site 00:10:25.670 --> 00:10:27.990 and I'm like, well, what the hell happened? 00:10:28.270 --> 00:10:32.430 And then they told me, well, we're subs and the contractor stopped paying us. 00:10:33.300 --> 00:10:36.600 And I'm like, well, we paid the contractor already. So, so, you know, 00:10:36.900 --> 00:10:39.260 it's like the contractor is not paying them. 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:45.740 And so this began a multi-month delay in the construction because the, 00:10:45.760 --> 00:10:47.060 the, the, because of that. 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:52.760 And then, and then they hadn't filed for the permits and then there were permitting issues. 00:10:52.940 --> 00:10:57.100 And then when they finished this, the, the, the city inspectors came and said 00:10:57.100 --> 00:10:59.340 that a lot of the work had been done was not up to code. 00:11:01.820 --> 00:11:04.720 So it was just uh okay uh you 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.320 know but but unfortunately i've been in a lot 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.980 of construction projects to anybody out there construction projects are never 00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:17.100 on time i mean if that well maybe not never but it's a rarity for any construction 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:22.020 project to be completed on time okay anybody seen any construction projects 00:11:22.020 --> 00:11:25.340 like large like public works projects like Like, you know, highway, 00:11:25.540 --> 00:11:28.800 you know, already remembers like the Boston, like the big dig, 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:31.720 like whatever that that thing was supposed to be a few years took 20, 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.400 30 years to complete for God's sakes. 00:11:33.540 --> 00:11:37.820 You know, but, but listen, at any scale, these construction projects are always, 00:11:38.140 --> 00:11:40.040 always, always, always delayed. 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.520 And so I get that, but there was another issue, which goes back to a little 00:11:44.520 --> 00:11:51.800 bit to 2020, some election issues, which is that, okay, every year we mail the ballots. Okay. 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.780 I'm supposed to send them back. I don't know what the hell the problem has been 00:11:55.780 --> 00:11:59.820 with the mail or the provider or what the, where the, I don't know where the glitch is. 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:01.380 Some people didn't get their ballots. 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:06.960 That's right. The ballots were massively delayed. Okay. I don't know why. 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:08.900 I really, at this point, don't know why. 00:12:10.520 --> 00:12:13.360 And some people are saying that we did it on purpose and I'm like, 00:12:13.660 --> 00:12:16.160 shit, use the same vendor we've used. 00:12:16.700 --> 00:12:19.980 I don't know why the ballots didn't get there on time. 00:12:20.400 --> 00:12:23.840 But the thing is that the statute basically says as long as the ballots were 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:31.540 sent, as long as the statute is that we need to send the ballots on a certain 00:12:31.540 --> 00:12:33.300 date and we have completed the law. 00:12:34.570 --> 00:12:38.990 Receiving the ballots, we need to receive them on the day of the election. 00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:43.390 If they're not received, we can't count. Okay. No ballot can be received after 00:12:43.390 --> 00:12:46.910 the, we start opening envelopes from the ballots. 00:12:47.310 --> 00:12:49.490 That's it. No more ballots can be received. 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:54.330 And so it's one of those, it's one of those where, you know, 00:12:54.550 --> 00:12:59.690 this, this issue with the mail, you know, we talked about mail voting and how that's an issue. 00:13:00.350 --> 00:13:05.450 It really impacted us as well. I mean, it's a process that we've done for many years. 00:13:05.650 --> 00:13:11.270 And then all of a sudden, you know, we sending first class mail and it takes 00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:13.970 all of a sudden two weeks for people to get it. 00:13:14.290 --> 00:13:18.710 The statute says two weeks, you need to send them out two weeks in advance. 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:21.770 So one of the things that's discussing with attorney, it was like, 00:13:22.090 --> 00:13:23.310 look, you send them on time. 00:13:23.430 --> 00:13:26.990 You can't do anything about it. I mean, I was like thinking, 00:13:27.690 --> 00:13:31.190 that to postpone the vote somehow, 00:13:31.190 --> 00:13:34.430 but they told me that we couldn't do that because he had to be done during the 00:13:34.430 --> 00:13:38.690 calendar year and i'm like well so a lot of people are irate about that but 00:13:38.690 --> 00:13:46.430 unfortunately it wasn't i don't know it wasn't intentional so anyway it created a lot of them. 00:13:47.150 --> 00:13:51.210 I got a lot of angry calls emails things 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:53.910 i i got i actually got both sides i 00:13:53.910 --> 00:13:57.690 got positive ones i got negative ones you know 00:13:57.690 --> 00:14:00.570 part of the whole thing is i don't know just a 00:14:00.570 --> 00:14:04.710 lot of false accusations about shit also oh 00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:09.070 my god so many false accusations i i have not i i have i've not been insulted 00:14:09.070 --> 00:14:13.350 and yelled at like this in a long time which is the i i'm gonna say that's the 00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:16.650 one thing that's just i've got my wife in surgery i got all this stuff or whatever 00:14:16.650 --> 00:14:21.690 i'm gonna uh whatever and i'm basically just being hammered with insults not 00:14:21.690 --> 00:14:23.190 not exactly great what's. 00:14:23.190 --> 00:14:28.070 The right way to ask this question why do you care enough to not just say okay fuck it i'm out. 00:14:29.130 --> 00:14:33.490 Uh because i'll tell you immediately. 00:14:33.490 --> 00:14:37.170 For me i'd be like none of that's worth the hassle screw it i don't care. 00:14:37.170 --> 00:14:41.130 Somebody else can do it you know because i've lived here for a long time and 00:14:41.130 --> 00:14:46.530 i know that a lot of people that are owners for a long time would probably be harmed, 00:14:47.310 --> 00:14:55.250 by a number a group of inexperienced people taking the the the board you know 00:14:55.250 --> 00:15:00.550 and i and And I also worry about the employees of the association, you know, 00:15:00.630 --> 00:15:05.030 to having somebody that is in every communication I've had with them, be belligerent, 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:06.850 be a people manager. 00:15:07.330 --> 00:15:12.170 I've got some employees here that have worked like 15, 20 years, 00:15:12.170 --> 00:15:14.730 and I honestly don't want them to be. 00:15:16.260 --> 00:15:21.240 Supervised by somebody that, that is going to treat them poorly. 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:31.520 Um, you know, and I do worry about the other, you know, because it impacts the community as well. 00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:37.040 Other owners are going to get impacted because they don't, a lot of the things 00:15:37.040 --> 00:15:41.640 that they have discussed and proposed, one of the biggest concerns is keeping costs in check. 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:47.000 And they're, they're not, they don't understand that A lot of the financial 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.720 things that they have talked about are just going to backfire financially. 00:15:51.580 --> 00:15:57.340 And so, you know, it's one of those things where, well, wind up hitting my pocketbook as well. 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.220 So I, it's, it's tough. I honestly, 00:16:02.060 --> 00:16:06.880 listen, believe me, I had given thought to that, but, but the thing is that 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:09.520 when the people are using lies, 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:16.620 intimidation, it, listen, it's, it's the, it's this lies an intimidation tactic 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:22.160 to try to get people to just bend to their will and i i'm just not very i i 00:16:22.160 --> 00:16:23.280 don't want to just do that. 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:24.500 And just to be. 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:25.000 Clear like. 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:29.600 You said they have a lot of complaints about like a delayed construction project 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.640 from the past what would what are they saying they do differently going forward does. 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:38.800 Nothing they haven't said that another thing okay okay uh i mean they said that 00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:43.480 well well the thing is that they keep saying that nobody listens to their suggestions 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:48.120 I had somebody that went and listed suggestions that they said that we didn't listen to. 00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:51.800 And I actually said, you know what? All those things that you said are either 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:53.760 already done or in process of being done. 00:16:53.780 --> 00:16:56.860 So I don't know what the hell you're saying, that we're not listening to your 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:58.660 suggestions. What do we actually do? 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:03.120 Either did them or we're in the process of doing them. So I don't, 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:10.160 I, I'm, I, I, I'm baffled because I don't, when you look at what they're asking 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.020 for, they're not really asking for, for anything. 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:15.020 Okay. 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:17.540 It's to make America, it's to make a, make America great again. 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:22.840 Okay. Okay. So I, I didn't mention agenda. 00:17:23.020 --> 00:17:27.880 Agenda is as usual. We're doing this, but first segment. And then if Yvonne 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.200 is able to stay, we'll see how long Yvonne can stay because he might have to go attend to his wife. 00:17:32.840 --> 00:17:36.080 We will do more serious stuff after that. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.300 So first of all, for my but first, I'm just going to update my one from last week. 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:50.320 My second attempt at buying the stupid microphone, I actually got a proper new one that was. 00:17:50.420 --> 00:17:51.480 Oh, yeah. Look at that. 00:17:51.980 --> 00:17:57.600 Clearly, like when it came out of the box, it was pristine. It was wrapped properly. 00:17:57.860 --> 00:17:59.500 All the seals were sealed. 00:18:00.120 --> 00:18:03.060 And like when I took it out, it was undamaged. 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.700 The seals being sealed are important. 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.500 You know, I don't know if you listened to last week's show. Like the first one 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:14.260 I ordered, I ordered a new one, but it was clearly used and damaged when it arrived. And so. 00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:15.140 Where did you buy it from? 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:19.860 My employer. But it was one of their. 00:18:20.780 --> 00:18:24.560 Third parties anyway i complained about this a lot last episode listen to that 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:29.980 if you care but anyway i have i have a proper this this one is actually new 00:18:29.980 --> 00:18:34.040 and good and happy so well, 00:18:34.560 --> 00:18:39.500 yeah and so that that's my update i did i did set it up it's it's it's good 00:18:39.500 --> 00:18:45.560 yeah so i i have nothing else to say about that i figured uh since you uh might 00:18:45.560 --> 00:18:50.380 have to go early we can uh take a break and jump right into the serious stuff. Okay. 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:51.040 Yeah. 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:54.160 So here we go. 00:20:54.990 --> 00:21:01.490 Okay we are back so yvonne there was actually like you know a few newsy things that happened this. 00:21:01.490 --> 00:21:06.710 Last week uh where would you where would you like the one i'm gonna i'm gonna 00:21:06.710 --> 00:21:08.730 tell you the one that i want to start with i. 00:21:08.730 --> 00:21:10.330 I have a guess let me see if i'm right. 00:21:10.330 --> 00:21:14.170 It's the the united healthcare i was right i. 00:21:14.170 --> 00:21:16.870 Was right i knew where yvonne was wanting to go go ahead. 00:21:16.870 --> 00:21:20.190 I mean look it 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:23.750 it well first of all i mean i 00:21:23.750 --> 00:21:26.610 don't i don't recall the last time 00:21:26.610 --> 00:21:29.490 a ceo of a company was arrested i mean it was was 00:21:29.490 --> 00:21:32.130 murdered um difference between those two 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:35.430 things but yes yeah very very much of murdered 00:21:35.430 --> 00:21:38.090 i don't man i i'm i'm scratching my head i 00:21:38.090 --> 00:21:43.550 don't i don't really remember that this is a thing in recent times but the one 00:21:43.550 --> 00:21:53.990 thing that that that came out is this on social media in in in in for the most 00:21:53.990 --> 00:21:56.350 part okay zero empathy before. 00:21:56.350 --> 00:22:01.050 You get to that like just the fundamental facts ceo of. 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:04.190 Look he was he was got there was an investor there was a uhc 00:22:04.190 --> 00:22:07.370 there are these investor meetings that are held regularly 00:22:07.370 --> 00:22:10.170 in order to met for big investors to 00:22:10.170 --> 00:22:13.810 go and and the company will make presentations about strategy financials 00:22:13.810 --> 00:22:17.550 what they're doing what's going on and so forth and so on and a lot i mean a 00:22:17.550 --> 00:22:21.050 lot of them all are held in new york city obviously you know for because many 00:22:21.050 --> 00:22:26.410 many many of the invest you know like for example hedge funds and other companies 00:22:26.410 --> 00:22:29.590 that hold like large holdings of the stocks that they're there so you know you'll 00:22:29.590 --> 00:22:32.470 you'll hold them there and And early in the morning, 00:22:32.630 --> 00:22:36.050 he was heading to the hotel where the meeting was held. 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:40.950 He was walking towards the property, and somebody came up and shot him. 00:22:41.370 --> 00:22:45.970 And shot him with what appeared to be a gun that was either produced or a little 00:22:45.970 --> 00:22:48.010 sound or was silenced, okay, in some way. 00:22:48.790 --> 00:22:53.490 And the person very quickly, the one thing that I was reading is that because 00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:57.650 of the way that he did the shooting, it took people a while to realize that somebody had shot. 00:22:57.650 --> 00:23:03.190 So it gave this guy plenty of time to just, you know, take off and, 00:23:03.190 --> 00:23:06.150 you know, until people realize that this guy was murdered and, 00:23:06.270 --> 00:23:09.730 and, you know, that we needed to investigate what the hell happened. 00:23:10.910 --> 00:23:17.230 And one thing that they found is that the shell casings had three words written on. 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:27.880 I believe it came from a discovery motion on some lawsuit related to denied 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:29.640 insurance claims, okay? 00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:36.740 And it said that somebody, what they said was that the strategy that they had, 00:23:36.800 --> 00:23:43.920 that they need to follow to deny that is deny, defend, oppose. 00:23:44.780 --> 00:23:45.340 Okay. 00:23:45.340 --> 00:23:51.760 So, you know, you deny the claim, you defend the claim, and then, you know, 00:23:52.040 --> 00:24:01.100 if they want whatever, you start this deposition process of all those involved, you know. 00:24:01.300 --> 00:24:04.860 And so that's what, and that's a strategy. 00:24:04.860 --> 00:24:09.180 And I, and I will tell you like right now that I, I mean, 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.860 this part of being deposed by insurance companies, I went through a lot of that 00:24:12.860 --> 00:24:19.920 where I had a medical insurance company that put me through a series of depositions related to lawsuit. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:25.240 And they were like, they were, I actually, at one point at the attorney, 00:24:25.460 --> 00:24:29.180 it just told them, I'm like, you're just doing this to fuck with me and to bill hours. Right. 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:34.720 I mean, you know, you're just running up the fucking bill at this point. 00:24:34.860 --> 00:24:38.220 Hey, you just want to fucking, you just want to fuck with me. 00:24:40.040 --> 00:24:46.180 And so I get the antagonism that dealing with insurance companies, 00:24:46.300 --> 00:24:53.220 which I have fought with medical insurance companies for close to 30 years. So Jesus Christ. Yeah. 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:58.300 Related to our business, related to my, my, my son's health, 00:24:58.300 --> 00:25:03.680 more specifically, more than anything, how I have had to repeatedly appeal. 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:11.020 Fight, you know, all these things in order to get my son's treatments covered. 00:25:11.580 --> 00:25:16.720 I will say that for the most part, I prevailed in almost all of, all of them. 00:25:16.840 --> 00:25:20.680 But the one thing that I, that I, what I, what I was telling people is that, 00:25:20.840 --> 00:25:25.860 that to always be careful because they, they are, I mean, what I said, 00:25:26.020 --> 00:25:30.680 and I, and I was, some of the people ask me what the strategy is to deal with this kind of stuff. 00:25:31.280 --> 00:25:35.520 And I said, look, number one is that they will like the whole deny thing. 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:38.180 But man, when in doubt, they'll just deny it. 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:43.640 And what happens is that 98, 99% of people won't appeal. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.860 So I'll get a denial and they won't fight it. And so that's part of the business model. 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:52.620 Unfortunately, the insurance companies are counting that most people just will not appeal. 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:58.760 And, but I, anytime anything got delayed, the opposite, I would appeal, 00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:00.280 I appealed every single time. 00:26:00.460 --> 00:26:06.120 And 90, I'm going to say, well north of 90% of the time, I wound up getting 00:26:06.120 --> 00:26:09.200 whatever the hell it was denied cover. Okay? 00:26:10.530 --> 00:26:17.470 And so I understand that. And I would say that I personally, I mean, 00:26:17.610 --> 00:26:20.810 if you look at my track record and all the shit I've had to deal with the insurance 00:26:20.810 --> 00:26:24.070 companies, you would think that I would have extreme animosity towards a CEO 00:26:24.070 --> 00:26:25.570 of one of these healthcare companies. 00:26:26.290 --> 00:26:30.670 But the reality is, I also know that part of this and why the insurance company 00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:34.970 is because the entire medical system in the US is structured this way. 00:26:35.070 --> 00:26:40.270 And it's a fucked up system, okay? in which he's also, in certain ways, 00:26:40.430 --> 00:26:43.150 you want to say it or not, a cog of this fucking system. 00:26:43.750 --> 00:26:50.270 And I don't see how assassinating a CEO of a fucking insurance company is a 00:26:50.270 --> 00:26:54.650 proper response to getting health benefits denied. 00:26:55.730 --> 00:27:01.270 You know, I mean, there are so many, we say, well. 00:27:02.370 --> 00:27:06.390 You know, so many people that out of pocket and they died or whatever, 00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:09.870 But I also know a lot of people that without their damn insurance that they, 00:27:10.030 --> 00:27:15.610 you know, how much of their care has taken care of them in, like, 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:17.010 very difficult situations. 00:27:17.870 --> 00:27:22.430 But the problem is the system itself and the fact that, I mean, 00:27:22.670 --> 00:27:27.230 President Obama did a lot of reforms to it to make it better than it was. 00:27:27.230 --> 00:27:34.010 Obviously not as far reaching as they wanted but it it's it's one of those things where, 00:27:35.030 --> 00:27:40.930 it obviously i don't see how we make any further changes anytime soon given 00:27:40.930 --> 00:27:44.230 the political climate yep the 00:27:44.230 --> 00:27:47.750 only changes that the gop has proposed would actually make it a lot worse, 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:56.210 so so this creates this animosity which i i understand the animosity but So 00:27:56.210 --> 00:27:57.730 you were starting to talk. Take your fucking legislators. 00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:00.290 You were starting to talk about. Take your fucking legislators. 00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:04.550 When I interrupted and said, give the background, you were starting to talk 00:28:04.550 --> 00:28:05.890 about the social media response. 00:28:06.090 --> 00:28:11.950 No, the social media response I found is just appalling. It's just the complete. I mean, just. 00:28:12.050 --> 00:28:15.630 Just to be clear, there are lots of people saying, yay, this is what should 00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:17.310 be happening. He deserved it. 00:28:17.530 --> 00:28:18.910 Let's murder more CEOs. 00:28:19.550 --> 00:28:19.970 Mm-hmm. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:27.520 And I'm just like, I mean, this is not a, this is, this is not a good escalation 00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:31.100 on how to resolve the issues that we have as a society. 00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:36.200 I will say that, but, but we've had, listen, but we've had eras of, 00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:39.300 in the past, of a lot more assassinations. 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.360 And I, you know, look. 00:28:42.040 --> 00:28:46.000 And political violence in general. And political violence in general. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:51.000 We've talked about before how, you know, people always point to the 1960s, 00:28:51.100 --> 00:28:54.560 of course, where we had several high profile assassinations. 00:28:54.940 --> 00:29:00.400 We had all kinds of other lower level violence in the background all the time 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:05.700 here in the U.S. And of course, other countries each have their own histories. 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:12.300 But, you know, I and I've said before on this show, not that I'm in any way 00:29:12.300 --> 00:29:16.860 advocating for the violence, just to be absolutely clear, but I have actually 00:29:16.860 --> 00:29:19.720 been surprised we have not seen more. 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:21.960 And it's not that we've seen zero. 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.880 There have been a number of high-profile incidents. Of course, 00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:28.840 you had the couple of attempts on Donald Trump over the last few months. 00:29:29.020 --> 00:29:34.620 You had, going back further, you had Gabby Giffords, and you had the congressional 00:29:34.620 --> 00:29:38.820 softball game or whatever it was. You've had a variety of those. 00:29:39.540 --> 00:29:45.280 I've just honestly been surprised there hasn't been... Oh, and Nancy Pelosi's 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:49.500 husband. You know, I've just been surprised there hasn't been more and that 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.240 more haven't been successful for the most part. 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:58.040 And to be clear, again, like I'm not saying it would be a good thing if there were more. 00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:01.200 It's just given the overall state of... 00:30:02.610 --> 00:30:06.510 More animosity in the country right now. It's surprising there's not more. 00:30:06.670 --> 00:30:08.030 And it's interesting in this case. 00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:08.990 Like most of the people. 00:30:09.090 --> 00:30:13.270 It has been escalating. One of the things I wanted to say is most of the people 00:30:13.270 --> 00:30:15.890 I just mentioned, like I spit out a whole bunch of politicians, 00:30:16.150 --> 00:30:21.250 this is a little bit different. It's a corporate CEO, but there's lots of anger there too. 00:30:21.530 --> 00:30:24.330 Like, you know, if I look at social media, even before this, 00:30:24.510 --> 00:30:31.930 there's a whole bunch of sort of eat the rich, billionaires don't deserve to exist kind of, 00:30:33.030 --> 00:30:35.890 talk and you know this is just sort of the next 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:39.150 sort of level of that i guess i 00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:41.990 mean and you may have you may have someone here who 00:30:41.990 --> 00:30:44.890 is specifically aggrieved right you know 00:30:44.890 --> 00:30:47.710 right you know we'll i don't know well it what 00:30:47.710 --> 00:30:51.350 we'll end up finding out in terms of like was the killer directly 00:30:51.350 --> 00:30:56.370 affected or was he hired by somebody he who was or whatever who knows but like 00:30:56.370 --> 00:31:02.590 you know it may well be a situation where somebody had a specific case that 00:31:02.590 --> 00:31:07.510 was denied that resulted in about bad outcome for a family member or something 00:31:07.510 --> 00:31:10.670 and this is them taking revenge you know yeah. 00:31:10.670 --> 00:31:17.050 I mean i can see i mean there was a movie about this like a long time ago like 00:31:17.050 --> 00:31:21.530 i remember the ceo there's one called desperate measures where there was like 00:31:21.530 --> 00:31:26.010 i think it was a michael keaton who their child got denied certain life-saving 00:31:26.010 --> 00:31:28.010 care and he took hostages or. 00:31:28.010 --> 00:31:28.730 Something or. 00:31:28.730 --> 00:31:33.310 Whatever in order to force the insurance company to go and like give the life-saving 00:31:33.310 --> 00:31:38.090 care to their to their child i mean it's not like people haven't like this hasn't 00:31:38.090 --> 00:31:44.810 been a controversial thing in the past i mean i have to assume that there you 00:31:44.810 --> 00:31:46.970 know because there has to be some direct, 00:31:48.450 --> 00:31:53.990 relationship between some kind of medical denial and, you know, 00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:58.550 what, what, what's that, that, this, this, you know, this murder, 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:04.350 I don't see how else that it given, you know, the evidence has been found and 00:32:04.350 --> 00:32:06.250 how it happened and how targeted it was. 00:32:06.350 --> 00:32:10.050 It has to be, there's just no other, no other explanation. 00:32:10.290 --> 00:32:14.850 You know, there, there has to be something, right. But we don't, we don't know yet. 00:32:15.270 --> 00:32:19.170 The other things are that people have been talking about a lot are how quote 00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:24.330 unquote professional this was like in terms of the person who do it. 00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:27.350 The person who did this seemed like they knew what they were doing. 00:32:27.550 --> 00:32:29.290 They had an escape route planned out. 00:32:29.550 --> 00:32:33.570 They had sort of meticulously planned things. It looks like they messed up one 00:32:33.570 --> 00:32:35.370 or two things, but like, you know. 00:32:35.450 --> 00:32:38.110 For the most part, they, they, I mean, they can't find them yet. 00:32:38.270 --> 00:32:39.910 They can't find them or identify them. 00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:45.230 Right. Although every day we've had a few more clues dropped that, 00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:47.830 you know, so they're on the trail. 00:32:48.230 --> 00:32:50.990 Like now they're on the trail. Now there are a lot of people who are like, 00:32:51.050 --> 00:32:53.850 ah, they'll never find him. But, you know, these folks are good. 00:32:54.330 --> 00:32:59.910 These folks are the folks who dig into this kind of situation are good. 00:33:00.370 --> 00:33:01.310 You know, yeah. 00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:02.110 Yeah. 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:03.990 So there's a lot to go on. 00:33:04.330 --> 00:33:07.970 Yeah. My expectation right now is still that they're going to find this guy. 00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:12.330 But, you know, you're right. There could be a direct thing. 00:33:12.510 --> 00:33:18.230 But hell, for all we know, this is motivated some completely different way. 00:33:18.450 --> 00:33:23.950 And, you know, this was a kill for hire on some unrelated thing. 00:33:24.250 --> 00:33:29.850 And part of the professionalism here was putting in clues to lead people the 00:33:29.850 --> 00:33:31.350 wrong direction. Who knows? 00:33:32.830 --> 00:33:35.970 I mean, it's probably the more straightforward case. I mean, 00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:40.110 the most straightforward case here is that someone got screwed by the insurance 00:33:40.110 --> 00:33:45.270 company who happened to have a set of skills along these lines already, and they were just like, 00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:49.340 I'm going to do it. I'm going to take my revenge. I have the skills. 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:51.380 I know how to do this. I'm going to do this. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.880 That's the most straightforward explanation and the most likely, 00:33:55.040 --> 00:33:59.160 but we can't rule out other more esoteric things at this point. We just don't know yet. 00:34:00.700 --> 00:34:04.020 Um but going back to the reaction though 00:34:04.020 --> 00:34:07.920 like you know what one of 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.060 the yeah it ha it almost has to be like a direct revenge kind of thing right 00:34:13.060 --> 00:34:19.040 for something because like if you're after like oh i want the insurance company 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:25.080 policies to change this is not going to do that you know well i. 00:34:25.080 --> 00:34:30.500 Will say that look i'm not gonna totally say that. 00:34:30.500 --> 00:34:32.460 Okay their. 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:37.780 Reaction by some in the health they they they they are a little bit. 00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:39.740 Chastened by this oh. 00:34:39.740 --> 00:34:46.040 Yeah listen i i mean number one thing is i heard well ceo calls for uh executive 00:34:46.040 --> 00:34:51.440 protection i mean almost every damn ceo now is demanding some kind of. 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.180 Fucking additional security that they didn't have. That's what I was actually going to say. 00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:58.860 Like the changes that come out of this are the CEOs are going to have more security. 00:34:59.060 --> 00:35:01.940 It's not going to be the insurance company decides to be the general. 00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:08.340 No, but I also heard some stuff related to... I got to tell you what. 00:35:08.420 --> 00:35:10.080 I mean, we had that other company... 00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:10.260 Because a lot of these decisions... 00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:13.680 We had that other company back off on that anesthesia thing, 00:35:13.740 --> 00:35:17.980 and people were trying to imply that was related. I really doubt that it was, but... 00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:20.500 Listen, a lot of decisions... 00:35:21.120 --> 00:35:26.160 For denial are, are, are not, how do I say? 00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:29.860 They're not, they're not clear or cut. They could go either way. Exactly. 00:35:30.220 --> 00:35:34.820 And so, and so right now the thumb is on the scale, like you say, default to deny. 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:41.900 Like you, you could change your guidelines to people to just be a little bit 00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:45.200 more generous and ambiguous cases, you know? 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:45.620 Right. 00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:47.800 There, there's a potential bottom. 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.480 Line and there's a human factor but but the thing is 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.420 it's not even change it's not changing the policy it's the humans 00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:58.740 involved and their fear for well this was an iffy one and maybe that before 00:35:58.740 --> 00:36:02.880 they were just like oh fuck it deny it and now they're like all right i don't 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.140 want to hear any i don't want some guy to come in with a gun in here whatever 00:36:06.140 --> 00:36:10.580 okay fine fine fine let him in let let him get a shit because there these are 00:36:10.580 --> 00:36:13.100 humans behind a fucking decision right. 00:36:13.100 --> 00:36:18.280 Well and And this is the case too, like in this particular case, they went after the CEO. 00:36:18.660 --> 00:36:23.140 You could see an alternate history where they go after the case manager. 00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:26.960 Fuck. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. 00:36:27.620 --> 00:36:33.460 Hell yeah. I mean, that kind of shit has happened in other businesses and things. Sure. 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:38.840 Or for that matter, somebody just goes into the nearest office and gets whoever's there. 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.060 It starts right. Starts just what? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 00:36:42.060 --> 00:36:46.440 You know, so that, and you know, this all, I don't know. It's. 00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:53.460 It's hard to tell with these kinds of, you know, do we have a trend or not, 00:36:53.620 --> 00:36:55.900 like you said, when they're small numbers to begin with. 00:36:56.080 --> 00:37:01.740 I mean, like we can look at the overall murder rate or something and see trends reliably. 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.500 But if you're talking about like, you know, how many company executives are 00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:11.520 getting murdered, you know, well, what do you count? 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.620 Like, are we only counting CEOs? Are we counting the whole C-suite? 00:37:15.620 --> 00:37:20.400 Are we talking just like, you know, anybody who's a high level manager and which 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.260 companies count? Are we talking about only Fortune 500? 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.600 Are we talking about like, like when you, when you were mentioning, 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.860 I can't remember the last time a CEO was killed. I was trying to Google it. 00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:35.500 And like, I found some tech CEO in Baltimore that was killed in 2023. 00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:40.820 And apparently, oh, but that was apparently unrelated to her job. 00:37:41.120 --> 00:37:42.220 Right, right, right. 00:37:42.220 --> 00:37:47.300 Et cetera. I found another list of like, you know, 10 CEOs that have been killed 00:37:47.300 --> 00:37:53.480 or whatever that was from, from way back in 2011. And I didn't recognize any of the names. 00:37:53.500 --> 00:37:58.480 So they were, and a lot of them were non-US foreign all over the world, you know? 00:37:58.720 --> 00:38:01.040 And so I'm like, I don't know. 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:05.360 How, how do you even measure that? And it, and because you're dealing with such 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:10.980 a small group of people like if there's zero one year and one the next year 00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:14.160 you've had an infinite increase that's that. 00:38:14.160 --> 00:38:17.260 Is that is totally an infinite increase absolutely yes. 00:38:17.260 --> 00:38:20.080 You know so but at the same time 00:38:20.080 --> 00:38:28.460 i think the general you can sort of get a feel of like and it definitely seems 00:38:28.460 --> 00:38:34.800 like i mean how going back to the the the donald trump stuff i mean we had two 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.500 high profile attempts Trump's on Donald Trump in the space of a couple months. 00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:38.820 Right. 00:38:39.500 --> 00:38:43.460 You know, that's, that's something. Um, yeah. 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:48.000 And you know, they failed. We'd be in an entirely different universe if they 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.320 hadn't failed. Just saying, but, 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:57.240 The, I don't know. I mean, on the one hand. 00:38:57.260 --> 00:38:59.940 I just think that this shows an uptick in this kind of shit. 00:39:00.200 --> 00:39:07.180 I mean. I could see that. Well, and just forget the specific like murders and 00:39:07.180 --> 00:39:08.660 attempted murders for a second. 00:39:09.160 --> 00:39:18.680 Just the temperature of conversation and the level of polarization has been 00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:20.580 on the upswing for the last decade. 00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:24.560 Now, I'd argue we're still nowhere near where we were in the 60s, 00:39:25.180 --> 00:39:32.040 or the Civil War, for that matter, going back even further. 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.360 But it's still on an upswing, I think. And I don't think it's crested. 00:39:39.220 --> 00:39:42.260 Maybe. I mean, the one thing I could see that was like, 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:49.000 that is a sign to me that maybe it's crested is that the response to Donald 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:55.240 Trump winning for the most part has not been, oh my God, 00:39:55.680 --> 00:40:03.520 let's, let's gird up for a major battle and we have to fight the forces of evil 00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:04.780 and all this kind of stuff. 00:40:04.780 --> 00:40:07.720 And it's just sort of like, we're tired. 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:11.120 Okay. My, my, my reaction has been to bury my head in the sand. 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.700 Exactly. Exactly. 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:18.240 Like, I mean, I, I, I have been, I have done a remarkably good job at burying 00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:24.640 my head in the sand, but it's not, I right now watch no TV news. 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.600 I have my feed now filtered on threads where I can only get, 00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:34.660 get stuff like stuff on formula one and 00:40:34.660 --> 00:40:37.300 like the nba or you know 00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:40.240 just innocuous shit like that i i turned off 00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:47.200 so many of my you know no news notifications i'm not i i'm not gonna lie i still 00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:52.140 do catch some of what's going on and i probably catch eventually most of what's 00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:58.200 going on right but it's not the urgent alert i'm just like later on i'm like 00:40:58.200 --> 00:41:00.220 you'll you'll see it in a daily update. 00:41:00.220 --> 00:41:02.060 Once ever yeah you'll you'll. 00:41:02.060 --> 00:41:06.120 You're fine if you see it the next morning exactly i'm 00:41:06.120 --> 00:41:09.060 like oh look what's his name they might 00:41:09.060 --> 00:41:12.000 name the santas as secretary of defense oh that's 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.540 that's interesting you know or you 00:41:15.540 --> 00:41:19.280 know whatever i'm just i i don't 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.240 i i listen in between let's see 00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:26.860 in between me being in the hospital in between my wife being in the hospital 00:41:26.860 --> 00:41:34.780 in between my job in between my fucking condo board okay and add this goddamn 00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:40.360 fucking you know trump presidency i'm just like you know what listen i need to, 00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:46.600 I need to simplify here. And I gotta be honest, the stress of a lot of this 00:41:46.600 --> 00:41:51.280 stuff in part played into why the hell I wound up in the fucking hospital in October. 00:41:52.100 --> 00:41:58.780 Let's not kid ourselves. Okay. That had to do, you know, because I'm in so many 00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:04.220 fucking things at the same time, you know, that, that, yeah, this did not help. 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:14.620 No, no. no so yeah i gotta like i mean i gotta i gotta i need to filter some 00:42:14.620 --> 00:42:17.420 of this shit right now i just can't deal you know. 00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:23.500 Well and and i think like i was saying i think the reaction has been such like 00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:27.940 there were there was worries like you know oh okay if harris had won how would 00:42:27.940 --> 00:42:32.260 the trump people react now honestly i think that was overblown too i think for 00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:34.520 the most part the Trump people were also like, 00:42:34.660 --> 00:42:37.780 we're tired, you know, 00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:44.660 like the enthusiasm levels that we saw, like in the Trump rallies at towards the end were low. 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.700 I think if they had lost, we would not have seen like, oh my God, 00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:54.100 the MAGA militias, or we would not have seen even a repeat of January 6th from four years ago. 00:42:54.220 --> 00:42:57.080 Right. I think they would have been like, okay, that's it. 00:42:57.560 --> 00:43:03.120 And same thing, what we're seeing from the left who are sort of just resigned 00:43:03.120 --> 00:43:05.940 and accepting of what's happening. 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.560 And, you know, you know, and I think, you know, you never know how things are 00:43:10.560 --> 00:43:13.760 actually going to turn out once he's actually in office and things are happening. 00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:23.160 But I feel like the, I don't know, maybe it's just a lull and the tensions will 00:43:23.160 --> 00:43:25.680 increase again, starting in January. 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:34.500 But I'm hopeful that this is sort of a we've had the climax of this sort of 00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:40.320 tension and we can start calming down again I don't know a lot's going to depend 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.560 on what Trump does or does not do I don't. 00:43:43.560 --> 00:43:44.780 Know who knows. 00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:48.260 You don't let like right now on the other hand let's go ahead and have the damn 00:43:48.260 --> 00:43:52.180 civil war and have the blue states secede from the red states and have two countries 00:43:52.180 --> 00:43:53.820 and maybe we'd all be happier. 00:43:56.520 --> 00:43:59.400 After a civil war no you 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.840 you know like it could be a respectful divorce 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.180 you know it doesn't have to be i mean that's 00:44:06.180 --> 00:44:11.140 okay you could you would end up on the red side there in florida but you know 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:17.740 oh well no of course what people say is like yeah there's there's a lot of people 00:44:17.740 --> 00:44:21.880 who would be screwed by such a transition uh so that's not necessarily a good 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.780 outcome either but it's something, you know, the, the. 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.540 I don't know. I feel like we'll see. 00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:36.400 I'm still, I'm crossing my fingers that we have, everything sort of calms down. 00:44:36.580 --> 00:44:42.840 And as opposed to this, these assassinations and assassination attempts over 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.880 the last few months are the precursor to worse. 00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:51.660 I'm hoping it's not the precursor to worse. And instead we calm down, 00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:54.900 you know, and I don't know. 00:44:54.900 --> 00:44:58.600 And I'm hoping like, you know, like I said, on election night, 00:44:58.680 --> 00:45:04.820 I think like our best hopes are that, you know, Trump doesn't do most of the 00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:06.900 shit he says he's going to do as usual. 00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:09.840 Like he, he may want to do stuff, but he doesn't succeed. 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.180 And, and so like, you know, things aren't as bad as they could be. 00:45:15.640 --> 00:45:21.080 And then we move on. And then, you know, in four years we have president Vance 00:45:21.080 --> 00:45:24.300 or something and, you know, and then we move on, you know? 00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:29.840 So i don't know anything else on the this yvonne or anything else that you want 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.080 to bring up before we take a break and i do whatever i'm gonna do no. 00:45:35.080 --> 00:45:37.700 No let's go to i don't know something. 00:45:37.700 --> 00:45:42.060 Something something yeah okay here is our second break. 00:46:48.980 --> 00:46:54.720 Okay here i am so look i'm just looking over this list i i've already known 00:46:54.720 --> 00:46:57.580 what i'm going to pick but here's some of the things i'm i'm not going to pick 00:46:57.580 --> 00:47:02.220 that we still haven't talked about we we never talked in depth depth about gates 00:47:02.220 --> 00:47:06.040 dropping out we didn't talk about how the trump team is, 00:47:06.740 --> 00:47:10.380 is skipping a lot of that yeah i forgot about it's ancient history at this point 00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:14.620 how trump is skipping a lot of background checks and stuff he finally signed 00:47:14.620 --> 00:47:17.200 some of the documents i guess some Maybe I'm in a bubble, blah, blah. 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.040 We haven't talked. There was a tied to our last topic. 00:47:21.180 --> 00:47:27.080 There was a wave of swatting both of Trump team members and of Democrats over the last few weeks. 00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:34.400 And then more recently, there's been a major rebel offensive in Syria. 00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:40.800 There was this thing in South Korea with attempted martial law that didn't last. Oh, God. 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:41.120 Yeah. 00:47:41.120 --> 00:47:46.520 We had the government in France lost a vote of no confidence. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:52.380 Oh, and also in France, we had the reopening of Notre Dame after the fire a few years ago. 00:47:53.020 --> 00:47:58.840 We have the issues with the other Trump nominee for defense secretary, 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.420 Hegseth, has some issues. There's more on Blue Sky. 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.360 There's a legal thing on TikTok. Let's see. 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:10.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, because I can't forget the Hegseth comment. 00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:12.140 Okay. Okay, and then I'll get to the topic. 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:16.100 Yeah, yeah. The Hexed comment I understood is, what did I say? 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.720 Oh, if you let me be sect-deft, I'll quit drinking. I swear. 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:23.400 Yes. 00:48:25.620 --> 00:48:26.140 Yes. 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:26.680 I am. 00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:36.320 This is because the more time elapses since Trump announced him as his choice, 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:42.500 The more we found out about his history, he has two issues. 00:48:42.980 --> 00:48:47.420 One is sexual harassment and assault and things like that. 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.360 That's actually a job requirement for the Trump administration. 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:53.160 What are you talking about? 00:48:53.160 --> 00:49:01.740 Practically and then second is apparently like serious drinking issues like drinking that. 00:49:01.740 --> 00:49:02.760 Trump doesn't like. 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.620 Now he does not like that but he does not like that we were talking about drinking 00:49:06.620 --> 00:49:12.040 on the job at fox we were talking about going out to to events and getting blacked 00:49:12.040 --> 00:49:14.600 out drunk so much that his friends had to like, 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.460 carry him home and stuff like that on a regular basis, not like, 00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:25.420 oh, there were one or two incidents, but this happened frequently enough that it was talked about. 00:49:26.100 --> 00:49:29.140 And, and yeah, up to and including, like I said, that being, 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:34.280 being drunk at work too, like, you know, showing up for his Fox morning show, 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.420 clearly in talks, drunk off his ass. 00:49:36.620 --> 00:49:37.080 Oh, nice. 00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:41.640 You know, and so all that's been coming up. So that's why the promise, 00:49:41.780 --> 00:49:44.560 but, you know, clearly from the description. 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.980 Like it's hard to like diagnose from afar, but he sounds like he's got an actual 00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:52.320 issue. He's got a problem. 00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:56.320 It's not like just, oh, he overindulged a couple of times, you know, 00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.820 and, and if he's actually like flat out alcoholic, blah, blah, blah, 00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:08.700 you know, ask anybody who has successfully gone from that state to being sober. It's hard. 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.720 It's not just like you decide one day, you know, oh, you're done. 00:50:14.720 --> 00:50:18.180 I mean, some people do go, go cold Turkey like that, but even the people who 00:50:18.180 --> 00:50:20.120 do have said it's really difficult. 00:50:20.720 --> 00:50:24.640 It's not just, it is very difficult. Not, not a big deal. Like, I, I. 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.900 Especially moving into a very high stress job. Um, you know, 00:50:29.020 --> 00:50:34.020 which that would be, you know, that definitely is. I mean, come on, give me a fucking break. 00:50:34.120 --> 00:50:41.820 Being a fucking talking head on Fox has, you know, what, like 0.05% of the stress 00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:45.940 that you have as a fucking secretary of defense of the United States. Give me a fucking break. 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.540 I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't understand, you know, why, 00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:51.540 you know, we're putting on a clown. 00:50:52.220 --> 00:50:55.680 Well, I understand Trump. What am I, what am I saying? What am I, 00:50:55.700 --> 00:50:58.080 what am I doing? What am I saying? 00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:02.540 It makes perfect sense, Yvonne. It matches exactly what you would expect. 00:51:02.660 --> 00:51:06.600 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot what the fuck I'm talking about. 00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:10.020 The hell am I saying? The hell am I saying? 00:51:10.020 --> 00:51:17.020 You know, this is another one, though, where it seems like he doesn't have the votes at the moment. 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:19.700 And by the way, the other thing, since we're talking about this topic for a 00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:26.500 few minutes, all of this talk about Trump forcing Congress to go into a recess 00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:30.240 and doing recess appointments for everybody, nobody's talking about it anymore. 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:37.520 Congress came – apparently, you would need – at the very least, 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.440 you would need the Speaker of the House on board and to force the situation 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:49.360 and activate this provision where the president can force the Congress into –, 00:51:50.600 --> 00:51:52.480 Not remission. That's the wrong word. 00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:54.340 Remission? Remission? 00:51:54.640 --> 00:51:55.800 Yeah, that's the wrong word. 00:51:56.120 --> 00:51:56.780 Not recess. 00:51:56.780 --> 00:51:58.700 Recess. Recess. Recess. 00:51:58.980 --> 00:51:59.980 Not a recession. 00:52:00.140 --> 00:52:03.340 Not a recession. It can force them into recess if there's a disagreement between 00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:04.220 the two houses, whatever. 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:10.920 But apparently, basically, the Senate and I guess the House, 00:52:11.020 --> 00:52:12.460 too, basically said, we're not doing that. 00:52:13.740 --> 00:52:20.760 We're not doing that. We are not going to just go into recess and let you put 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.020 whoever you want without saying. 00:52:22.020 --> 00:52:26.700 Listen, I am pretty positive that part of this is a future political calculus, 00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:28.520 not a short-term calculus. 00:52:28.560 --> 00:52:30.680 Because look, let's be clear about this. 00:52:30.740 --> 00:52:34.260 A lot of these people, like a Mike Johnson or these guys, are pretty young, right? 00:52:34.580 --> 00:52:42.020 So if you put in a secretary of defense who is a liquored up lunatic, okay? All right. 00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:47.500 It's the, the, the, you know, like we've said, Trump might die before the end 00:52:47.500 --> 00:52:50.520 of this damn term, for God's sakes, you're going to have to be living with, 00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:53.840 with the, with the shit left behind by this crap. 00:52:54.120 --> 00:52:59.040 And so I think that they're thinking further ahead right now as well. 00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:03.780 We only got four more years of this guy. If, if he makes it that long, 00:53:04.100 --> 00:53:09.400 you know, we can't just, you know, rubber stamp, you know, people like, 00:53:09.580 --> 00:53:11.040 like, like this, you know? 00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:17.000 Well, and basically I think the whole exercise and some of these picks specifically 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.800 were Donald Trump flexing to see just how much power. 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.860 How far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 00:53:25.040 --> 00:53:27.800 And I think, and I think he found out he has limits. 00:53:28.510 --> 00:53:34.230 You know, we were honestly worried that the Senate would just completely roll over on everything. 00:53:34.690 --> 00:53:40.270 It looks like, no, they're, I mean, where's the line? 00:53:40.650 --> 00:53:42.930 The new leader of the Senate. The new leader of the Senate. 00:53:43.110 --> 00:53:43.790 You know, but. 00:53:44.250 --> 00:53:47.170 Yeah. Well, I mean, the line is with Gates. 00:53:47.610 --> 00:53:48.130 And maybe. 00:53:48.290 --> 00:53:49.370 I don't know. I don't know if. 00:53:49.730 --> 00:53:50.470 I don't know. 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:54.070 Does RFK Jr. have the votes to get nominated? 00:53:54.070 --> 00:53:57.750 Look, the ones that are in trouble right now. I think Hegseth is in trouble. 00:53:58.510 --> 00:54:02.470 I think Tulsi Gabbard is in trouble. And I think RFK Jr. 00:54:02.730 --> 00:54:06.610 Is in trouble. Now, if all four of those get blocked by the Senate, 00:54:06.890 --> 00:54:10.110 that, you know, Trump keeps saying, oh, there's no significant blow. 00:54:10.250 --> 00:54:13.230 This is fine. Blah, blah, blah. If he loses all four of those, 00:54:13.390 --> 00:54:17.650 that, yeah, that's a significant, like, sorry, Trump, you ain't getting these, 00:54:18.270 --> 00:54:23.490 you know, and this, this defines where the line of acceptability is, 00:54:23.690 --> 00:54:28.750 even for a Senate that is a lot Trumpier than it was before. 00:54:28.850 --> 00:54:30.070 Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. 00:54:30.370 --> 00:54:35.010 Like, even in the last time the Republicans had the Senate. I mean, people- Well. 00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:41.990 The leader of the Senate that they chose is not really an ultra-magnet. 00:54:41.990 --> 00:54:42.430 It's not the Trumpy choice. 00:54:42.810 --> 00:54:44.430 You know, Trump wanted somebody else. 00:54:44.850 --> 00:54:46.190 Trump wanted Rick Scott. 00:54:46.430 --> 00:54:46.790 Yeah. 00:54:47.050 --> 00:54:49.790 And the problem is with Rick Scott that I 00:54:49.790 --> 00:54:52.510 keep finding out is that everybody keeps all of 00:54:52.510 --> 00:54:55.370 sudden finding out is that everybody really hates rick scott i 00:54:55.370 --> 00:54:58.210 don't understand how the hell the only reason he's getting 00:54:58.210 --> 00:55:03.470 he wins is one in florida is because right now for whatever reason people are 00:55:03.470 --> 00:55:09.270 voting just for the r guy but if you went on a popularity survey of republicans 00:55:09.270 --> 00:55:13.990 republicans say fuck this guy we hate him so it's another one that is like on 00:55:13.990 --> 00:55:17.050 the ted cruz kind of side of Republicans where, yeah, 00:55:17.270 --> 00:55:20.590 he's, we're a hold our nose. He's our guy, but fuck him. 00:55:21.090 --> 00:55:27.690 Right. Right. Yeah. So I think it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It'll be interesting. 00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:32.690 And the other thing, just to be clear, like that's interesting here is Trump is, 00:55:33.290 --> 00:55:38.710 is explicitly not putting all of his political weight behind these people. 00:55:39.670 --> 00:55:45.430 Like, he made a couple calls for Gates, but he didn't, like, put his foot down. 00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:51.850 You know, he told Haggath, Haggiseth, Haggiseth, Haggiseth, whatever, Haggiseth. 00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:54.010 Who cares? Fuck him. Whatever. 00:55:54.410 --> 00:55:57.990 Anyway, he told him that, you know, he's not making calls for him. 00:55:58.230 --> 00:56:01.190 He's, you know, he can do whatever he wants. Once you can get the senators on 00:56:01.190 --> 00:56:08.210 board, but he's not like, if he really wanted to, Trump could be strong arming all these senators. 00:56:08.790 --> 00:56:12.410 Trump could be all about like, Hey, I'm going to go against you full, 00:56:12.410 --> 00:56:15.450 full tilt. If you don't do this, he's not doing this. 00:56:15.530 --> 00:56:22.230 Here's what I'm hoping. Here's what I'm hoping. Okay. Here's what my hope is. We had lazy Trump. 00:56:24.350 --> 00:56:25.210 I'm serious. 00:56:25.790 --> 00:56:29.150 Yeah. Yeah. No. Cause, cause look, here's, here's the fundamental deal. 00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:34.150 And we've talked about this before, like Trump, aside from a couple issues that 00:56:34.150 --> 00:56:39.970 he's passionate about, like get rid of all the damn brown immigrants and tax 00:56:39.970 --> 00:56:41.430 cuts for all my rich buddies. 00:56:42.230 --> 00:56:46.150 Those are the only two things he actually cares about. Everything else is like 00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:47.090 shit about anything else. 00:56:47.410 --> 00:56:53.110 And like the main reason he ran for president was to get rid of all of his criminal charges. 00:56:53.490 --> 00:56:53.970 Power and money. 00:56:54.290 --> 00:56:55.650 You know, like, yeah. 00:56:56.130 --> 00:57:01.110 Power and money and staying out of jail. Yeah, it was like he got now he's got all three. 00:57:01.370 --> 00:57:02.310 Now he's got all three. 00:57:02.490 --> 00:57:06.030 Really? He's got all three. Look, he's not going to go to jail. 00:57:06.470 --> 00:57:10.190 Let's be clear about this, at least on anything federal. There's no way he's getting to. 00:57:10.250 --> 00:57:14.450 And even the state stuff is pushed off at least four years, probably more. 00:57:14.590 --> 00:57:18.010 Right. And even the state stuff is staved off for indefinitely. 00:57:18.350 --> 00:57:21.910 Who the hell knows how long. OK, he's going to exit the presidency, 00:57:22.430 --> 00:57:25.010 the richest ex-president ever. 00:57:25.390 --> 00:57:26.010 Yeah. Yeah. 00:57:26.660 --> 00:57:30.900 And, you know, he's going to be able to enable all his friends to do whatever 00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.400 the fuck they want. So he's. 00:57:32.900 --> 00:57:37.420 Yeah, I think for the most part, I mean, as much protest as there was about 00:57:37.420 --> 00:57:41.060 like, well, Project 2025 isn't like Trump's thing or whatever. 00:57:41.300 --> 00:57:44.600 He's hiring a bunch of people who are involved in that. And for the most part, 00:57:44.720 --> 00:57:47.420 he's going to be like, I don't give a fuck. Here are the people. 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.480 Yeah, I'm appointing people. They can do what they want. Except. I think. 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:57.860 The Doge Commission, their number one suggestion that they want to do, 00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:02.120 that these fucking morons, which, by the way, Congress will tell Elon and Vivek, 00:58:02.200 --> 00:58:07.080 go fuck yourself, is to go and cut VA health care. 00:58:07.720 --> 00:58:11.180 That's their number one suggestion. That they've come up with so far. 00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:11.200 Yes. 00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:16.540 They got $120 billion for veteran affairs health care. And you know what they're 00:58:16.540 --> 00:58:17.960 going to tell them? Fuck you. 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:20.760 You're out of your minds. 00:58:21.020 --> 00:58:22.040 Right. Right. 00:58:22.680 --> 00:58:27.060 No, the head start. Listen, 12 to cut head start, Sam. 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.940 I mean, everybody in the public is going to tell him, are you nuts? 00:58:32.420 --> 00:58:34.560 Cut 8 billion from federal prisons. 00:58:34.740 --> 00:58:38.760 Well, and they've been giving out the message over the last couple of days, 00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:41.420 too, that they're starting to look at Social Security and Medicare. 00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:43.260 And those are on the table, too. 00:58:43.380 --> 00:58:46.660 Yeah. Yeah. How are those going to go? How well is that going to go with the 00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:47.920 constituents? Let me tell you something. 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:55.180 Republican House members that would vote for cutting Social Security will wind 00:58:55.180 --> 00:58:57.780 up, they all know, they will wind up losing. 00:58:58.640 --> 00:59:02.040 I mean, that's like, you want to talk about a third rail of politics? 00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:08.440 The term third rail of politics was coined for Social Security. 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:15.800 Yeah, that's the third rail right there, okay? You guys are crazy. 00:59:16.520 --> 00:59:18.560 You want to go cut Social Security? Yeah. 00:59:19.640 --> 00:59:26.360 People have also mentioned that the whole Doge thing was possibly Trump's, 00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:30.700 like, oh, here, go play with this toy and get out of my face. 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.080 Right, because he's been Jesus Christ. He couldn't get rid of him. 00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:39.880 But basically saying, like, look, you can go play on this commission. 00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:41.100 You can make some recommendations. 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.080 None of it's going to go anywhere. And nobody's going to care what you say. 00:59:44.080 --> 00:59:47.460 But if you're playing with this, then you're out of my hair for other things. 00:59:51.500 --> 00:59:57.380 I'm hoping that Trump really spends his presidency mostly golfing. I really want him. 00:59:57.900 --> 01:00:00.740 And this is a very realistic possibility. 01:00:00.980 --> 01:00:07.000 I propose that we enable that Trump really spends four years golfing. 01:00:07.080 --> 01:00:09.220 I really do. I really do. 01:00:09.620 --> 01:00:11.140 Well, and of course the question is. 01:00:11.140 --> 01:00:11.880 That's all I want. 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.480 Somebody else is actually going to be making decisions and then what do they do? 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:16.040 Who knows? 01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:22.940 But yeah, I think it's actually very, very light. I mean, look, even in the first term. 01:00:23.900 --> 01:00:27.300 I mean, exactly. It's not only the golf. 01:00:27.520 --> 01:00:33.000 It was for me golfing. I want him to at Mar-a-Lago and wherever. 01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:40.460 I don't know. Listen, just, just, I want him to listen, just take a vacation on our dime. I'm fine. 01:00:40.540 --> 01:00:44.000 I mean, even the January 6th stuff. I mean, part of the, I mean, 01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:48.220 part of the criticism was like, he land out and was involved in the whole thing. 01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:52.340 But on the day of people were like, all he's doing is watching TV. 01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:54.540 He's not helping in any way. 01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:57.380 Of course, the reason why he wasn't helping was because he wanted it. 01:00:57.500 --> 01:00:58.340 But, you know, whatever. 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:03.000 But he was, I mean, we all know what happened in the first term. 01:01:03.140 --> 01:01:04.700 I think it's going to be more of the same. 01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:12.640 It's going to be, I think you are going to have a lot of Donald Trump only engaged 01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:14.940 in a handful of things he cares about. 01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:19.380 And for the most part, saying, as long as they don't embarrass me, 01:01:19.580 --> 01:01:22.220 people on my team can do whatever the fuck they want. 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:23.280 Yeah. 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:29.620 And and then the question is, like, what do those people do and what damage are they able to do? 01:01:29.740 --> 01:01:33.980 Because they have some pretty, you know, pernicious agendas as well. 01:01:33.980 --> 01:01:44.000 But I think it is a good sign as we're reaching for straws or whatever the term 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.340 is, looking for silver linings, whatever, 01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:55.180 that the Senate at the very least is actually showing some hesitation to some of his nominees. So... 01:01:55.730 --> 01:02:02.250 Okay. Now I had intended not to talk about that, but, and the thing that I actually 01:02:02.250 --> 01:02:05.030 wanted to bring up was not on the Trump side of the equation, 01:02:05.030 --> 01:02:08.850 but on the Biden side of the equation, which is pardons. 01:02:08.850 --> 01:02:11.770 And what we, of course, 01:02:12.050 --> 01:02:18.430 since my last show, like you weren't here, but since the Hunter Biden pardon 01:02:18.430 --> 01:02:24.190 actually hit, like, as I was pushing out the last show. 01:02:24.350 --> 01:02:28.110 So obviously we didn't talk about it on there, but also there's been talk about 01:02:28.110 --> 01:02:33.750 preemptive pardons or some people are calling them protective pardons or whatever. 01:02:33.750 --> 01:02:35.530 And what should Joe Biden do? 01:02:35.650 --> 01:02:41.610 So first of all, Hunter Biden, like the big thing is, you know. 01:02:42.310 --> 01:02:50.230 Joe Biden famously had said over and over and over again that he was not going to pardon Hunter Biden. 01:02:50.390 --> 01:02:52.510 He was not going to commute Hunter Biden's sentence. 01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:57.350 He was not going to do any such thing because the proper, you know, 01:02:57.950 --> 01:03:01.490 the consequences would be what the consequences were. 01:03:02.790 --> 01:03:06.170 And nevertheless, this last week, 01:03:06.470 --> 01:03:16.670 he issued a very broad pardon to Hunter Biden, not just for the things he's 01:03:16.670 --> 01:03:21.390 actually on trial for, but basically for anything he might have done during a 10-year period. 01:03:21.970 --> 01:03:28.710 And so, of course, there are all kinds of people angry and not just like Republicans. 01:03:29.030 --> 01:03:31.950 There are all kinds of Democrats being like, what the hell are you doing, 01:03:32.050 --> 01:03:35.230 Joe Biden? This is the wrong thing to do, et cetera. 01:03:36.050 --> 01:03:41.830 I'll give my quick take, which is from the moment Joe Biden started saying that 01:03:41.830 --> 01:03:46.410 he wasn't going to pardon Hunter Biden, I was like, that's bullshit. 01:03:46.610 --> 01:03:51.350 Of course he is. like on his last day in office, whenever that may be, 01:03:51.530 --> 01:03:56.470 whether it's coming up now or whether he had run for reelection and won or whatever, 01:03:56.710 --> 01:04:00.550 at the end of his presidency, of course, he's going to do it. 01:04:00.630 --> 01:04:03.730 Of course, he's going to do it. There's no way he won't. 01:04:04.070 --> 01:04:09.170 And I think I was proven right. But like, the thing is, there is one scenario, 01:04:09.170 --> 01:04:11.570 I think, where he would not have. 01:04:11.730 --> 01:04:15.270 And that's where Hunter Biden was already cleared. 01:04:15.950 --> 01:04:23.170 Or had a sentence that did not involve jail time and was in no further danger. 01:04:23.510 --> 01:04:30.810 If that had been the case, I think, and I think that's what Joe Biden was hoping would happen. 01:04:31.250 --> 01:04:34.630 And if that had happened, I don't think he would have pardoned him because he 01:04:34.630 --> 01:04:36.850 would have decided he doesn't need one. He's fine. 01:04:37.310 --> 01:04:39.610 But that's not the scenario we're in. 01:04:40.270 --> 01:04:44.930 You know, one Hunter was, of course, a lot. Yeah, go ahead. 01:04:44.930 --> 01:04:46.430 No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no. 01:04:46.550 --> 01:04:51.110 I was just going to say one Hunter was a few days away from getting his sentence 01:04:51.110 --> 01:04:53.030 in the case that he's already pled guilty in. 01:04:53.490 --> 01:04:57.170 And so one question I had is why not wait till the last day, 01:04:57.570 --> 01:04:59.170 wait till January 19th or something. 01:04:59.330 --> 01:05:06.250 And the reason he was, he was about to be sentenced. The other is that the Trump team has been very, 01:05:06.550 --> 01:05:11.070 very explicit and you can choose not to believe them perhaps, 01:05:11.070 --> 01:05:14.810 but they have been very, very explicit, including Donald Trump himself, 01:05:15.030 --> 01:05:18.170 that what was this election about? This was about retribution. 01:05:18.450 --> 01:05:25.050 This was about going after the people who were against him all this time. 01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:30.690 Now, some of that is against, you know, the Jack Smith and the prosecutor team 01:05:30.690 --> 01:05:36.290 and people in Congress who are involved in the J6 investigation and things like that. 01:05:36.610 --> 01:05:39.950 But, you know, Hunter Biden has been core to this all the time. 01:05:40.150 --> 01:05:44.310 Of course, you would go after Hunter Biden more, you know? 01:05:44.310 --> 01:05:58.990 And, you know, so the rationale is, look, I believe that if I didn't do this, my family, 01:05:59.270 --> 01:06:03.730 Hunter specifically, but quite frankly, probably other people in his family 01:06:03.730 --> 01:06:09.390 too, are going to be harassed for the length of Donald Trump's term. 01:06:09.710 --> 01:06:11.290 And I'm going to prevent that. 01:06:12.870 --> 01:06:15.850 And so, okay, go ahead, Yvonne. What's your thoughts on Hunter? 01:06:16.030 --> 01:06:18.410 And then we can talk about if he should do more. 01:06:18.550 --> 01:06:22.570 I think the thing is that all the dynamics related to Joe Biden saying he wouldn't 01:06:22.570 --> 01:06:27.070 pardon Hunter Biden really had a lot to do with the fact that he –, 01:06:27.870 --> 01:06:33.450 I think that, and well, I, I thought myself that Joe was going to at least either 01:06:33.450 --> 01:06:38.330 get reelected or, you know, somebody, well, it started off from Joe, 01:06:38.470 --> 01:06:40.830 I thought was going to get reelected. Okay. 01:06:41.810 --> 01:06:47.650 You're right. Exactly. And so, you know, if, if Hunter went to jail for stuff 01:06:47.650 --> 01:06:53.290 that he was convicted, then he might plead a deal. He was going to let the system play out. 01:06:53.570 --> 01:06:54.050 Okay. 01:06:54.050 --> 01:07:04.910 Because the Justice Department, under his direction, wasn't going to do this 01:07:04.910 --> 01:07:07.630 kind of stuff that Trump was trying to do. 01:07:08.130 --> 01:07:14.910 However, the reality is that with Trump coming in and pledging revenge. 01:07:15.150 --> 01:07:21.190 Well, in terms of politicizing the Justice Department and using it as a political 01:07:21.190 --> 01:07:25.930 tool, let's be absolutely clear. If Joe Biden had wanted to stop the Hunter 01:07:25.930 --> 01:07:29.230 prosecution, he could have done so at any time. 01:07:29.570 --> 01:07:30.610 At any time? 01:07:30.870 --> 01:07:34.790 At any time. And not just with a pardon. He could have just told DOJ to drop it. 01:07:34.830 --> 01:07:36.630 Just to drop it. Right. 01:07:36.690 --> 01:07:41.170 You know, and also, you know, and of course, Donald Trump is all about, 01:07:41.370 --> 01:07:45.490 oh, the Jack Smith stuff is all political, blah, blah, blah. 01:07:45.490 --> 01:07:53.590 If anything, the Biden administration held back and only did these things when 01:07:53.590 --> 01:07:59.130 it became absolutely clear that they couldn't get away with not doing it. 01:07:59.130 --> 01:08:05.290 We are very, very pissed right now that they were not as aggressive as they should have been. 01:08:05.910 --> 01:08:06.350 Yes. 01:08:06.770 --> 01:08:10.050 Against Trump. They should have moved on him earlier. 01:08:10.230 --> 01:08:15.290 These cases should have been already tried and not just convicted by now. 01:08:15.550 --> 01:08:19.050 Well, there are a couple of things. I have heard some really cogent arguments 01:08:19.050 --> 01:08:24.470 about how the there was actually stuff going on during the time period. 01:08:24.670 --> 01:08:30.110 We think they hadn't even started yet. And there were a lot of there was a lot of back and forth. 01:08:30.110 --> 01:08:31.110 Too long. Yeah. 01:08:31.230 --> 01:08:36.610 But yeah, no, look, I generally agree. I think they were not as aggressive as they could have been. 01:08:36.730 --> 01:08:38.730 They took way too damn long, period. 01:08:39.150 --> 01:08:42.790 But, and also there are other things they could have gone after. 01:08:42.950 --> 01:08:47.210 And besides just these things, there was the leftovers from Mueller that, 01:08:47.330 --> 01:08:51.670 you know, they allowed the statute of limitations to just run out without doing anything about. 01:08:51.890 --> 01:08:55.870 There are all kinds of conflict of interest and emoluments things that they 01:08:55.870 --> 01:09:02.710 could have gone after. No, there's all kinds of things that they could have dug into and gone after. 01:09:02.850 --> 01:09:12.070 So if anything, if anything, the Biden administration was restrained and, you know, 01:09:12.430 --> 01:09:19.450 only doing things that were so blatantly, obviously bad that they had no choice, you know. 01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:23.450 Right. So anyway, but I interrupted. I apologize. 01:09:23.450 --> 01:09:28.350 No, my whole thing is that I think it really changed his calculus, 01:09:28.610 --> 01:09:34.370 obviously, the fact that, you know, Trump won re-election and that he was coming 01:09:34.370 --> 01:09:36.510 in with a complete, you know, 01:09:37.390 --> 01:09:45.950 I mean, a stated, you know, intent to prosecute, you know, to harass all these people. 01:09:45.950 --> 01:09:52.170 I mean, honestly, if Harris had won and Hunter had been sentenced to jail, 01:09:52.430 --> 01:09:57.730 I don't know how that would have played out, but I would not have been surprised 01:09:57.730 --> 01:10:01.210 if they had let Hunter go to jail. 01:10:03.270 --> 01:10:08.870 Well, you know, I really think that it probably would have changed the calculus 01:10:08.870 --> 01:10:15.470 whether Biden was going to pardon him or not. But I do think that But the bottom line, 01:10:16.070 --> 01:10:21.190 Is that with Trump coming in and with his stated intent, yes, 01:10:21.510 --> 01:10:25.870 there is no fucking way that he could not pardon him. 01:10:26.050 --> 01:10:29.550 And by the way, do the other preemptive pardons as he's considering doing. 01:10:30.090 --> 01:10:36.910 This is what's making this calculus. It's it's the stated intent of the incoming 01:10:36.910 --> 01:10:41.550 administration to go and target these people, period. 01:10:41.890 --> 01:10:46.030 End of discussion. And so, I mean, this is what you have. 01:10:46.710 --> 01:10:51.590 Cash Patel, who is now the nominee for FBI director, who, by the way, 01:10:51.650 --> 01:10:55.450 he has to fire the current FBI director to even appoint a new one because they 01:10:55.450 --> 01:10:57.550 have 10-year terms and he's got three years left. 01:10:58.270 --> 01:11:00.710 The FBI director, he appointed in his last term. 01:11:00.790 --> 01:11:02.330 By the way, it was appointed by him. 01:11:02.930 --> 01:11:10.870 Right. But the the cash Patel, the new FBI director nominee, 01:11:10.870 --> 01:11:12.830 who is another one, by the way, 01:11:12.930 --> 01:11:15.450 who may or may not make it through the Senate. We'll see how that goes. 01:11:15.610 --> 01:11:15.790 Right. 01:11:16.690 --> 01:11:22.870 But in his book, he has an appendix that literally has a list of people, 01:11:22.870 --> 01:11:28.950 he says, that should be gone after by the next Republican administration for criminal charges. 01:11:28.950 --> 01:11:34.350 That includes lovely that includes not only hunter biden not only jack smith 01:11:34.350 --> 01:11:39.210 but go all the way back to hillary clinton and bill clinton and basically any 01:11:39.210 --> 01:11:42.450 any prominent democrat joe just. 01:11:42.450 --> 01:11:43.870 Take that list okay. 01:11:43.870 --> 01:11:46.410 And uh okay there's no preemptive. 01:11:46.410 --> 01:11:47.450 Pardon list yeah. 01:11:47.450 --> 01:11:54.030 You know oh and of course fauci fauci's on the list. They want Fauci too. 01:11:54.190 --> 01:11:55.490 Yeah. Put them on there. Yeah. 01:11:56.050 --> 01:12:00.370 You know, and so look, so let's talk about the preemptive pardons now. 01:12:00.550 --> 01:12:02.950 The argument for is everything you've talked about. 01:12:03.150 --> 01:12:07.270 The Trump administration is telegraphed explicitly, 01:12:08.120 --> 01:12:13.140 They're going after these people. Now, to be clear, you can never get them to 01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:17.680 articulate specific charges that make any sense or specific evidence on any of these. 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.160 And to be clear. 01:12:20.360 --> 01:12:23.880 They can still make their life miserable. Yes. 01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:27.420 And we've said this before, right? Like if somebody is actually guilty, 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:33.860 like Yvonne, you and I would have no problem if Hunter actually went to jail. Like he did stuff. 01:12:34.440 --> 01:12:38.780 Now, is it absolutely true that he probably wouldn't have been charged at all 01:12:38.780 --> 01:12:41.120 if he wasn't Joe Biden's son? Yes. 01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:46.740 But he did stuff. He broke the law. Like, you know, but like, 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:54.980 so if any of these people actually committed real crimes, by all means, we should go after them. 01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:58.520 And I think that's one of the things I posted, I think, on the curmudgeon corner Slack, 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:04.560 that one of the things that has to be on Biden's mind that would never in a 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:10.000 million years be on the mind of the Trump equivalent is what if I give them 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.940 a blanket pardon and it turns out they actually did something? 01:13:13.580 --> 01:13:18.400 You know, because I don't want to pardon them for something they're actually guilty of, you know. 01:13:19.420 --> 01:13:23.680 Well, he needs to do some serious vetting before he goes and does it. 01:13:24.180 --> 01:13:24.700 Right. 01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:27.580 Well, and you've got time to do that. 01:13:28.120 --> 01:13:33.320 You've got some time left. You can decide what to do here. But the the the thing 01:13:33.320 --> 01:13:41.640 is, what's with with the Trump folks saying explicitly, we don't know exactly what they did. 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.280 We don't know exactly what crime it is, but we're, we're going to dig in and 01:13:45.280 --> 01:13:48.800 we're going to find them and we're going to go after them and we will blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:55.660 Then. Yeah. I mean, a blanket pardon, like, like the kind he did to Hunter, 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:57.740 which basically said, you know, 01:13:58.100 --> 01:14:02.240 any, any federal crimes you may or may not have been involved in, 01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:05.020 in the last decade off limit done. 01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:12.720 I mean, I could see doing that to a variety of these people where you feel like there's just, 01:14:13.630 --> 01:14:19.750 That vindictive targeting with nothing else. Now, the counter argument is you're 01:14:19.750 --> 01:14:25.750 setting a really bad precedent, you know, because what does this mean Donald Trump can do? 01:14:25.870 --> 01:14:28.890 Donald Trump can, the day he's leaving office, just pardon everybody. 01:14:29.090 --> 01:14:31.670 Pardon everybody in the administration in anticipation. 01:14:31.670 --> 01:14:36.010 Okay, but, but, but, but, but, oh my God, setting up, listen, I'm sorry. 01:14:36.610 --> 01:14:42.050 How many people did he not pardon out the door specifically because of that the last time around? 01:14:42.590 --> 01:14:44.730 I mean, he put pardon Maniford. 01:14:44.730 --> 01:14:47.670 He pardoned Maniford, he pardoned, well, less than he could have. 01:14:47.670 --> 01:14:48.670 But you know what. 01:14:48.750 --> 01:14:54.410 But that was more, but that, but that was more before, no, because some of those 01:14:54.410 --> 01:14:58.050 people, like he is with people, it kind of like pissed them off. 01:14:58.050 --> 01:15:04.230 But he went with the guys that he, you know, anybody that he really wanted pardoned, he pardoned. 01:15:04.390 --> 01:15:09.830 The thing is though, he did, those were all after the fact pardons for things 01:15:09.830 --> 01:15:10.930 that were already charged. 01:15:11.110 --> 01:15:14.150 He didn't do any preemptive ones. Like one of the things people talked about, 01:15:14.250 --> 01:15:16.650 he could have, and same thing, he was mad that they didn't succeed, 01:15:16.670 --> 01:15:19.710 but he could have preemptively pardoned all the January six people. 01:15:20.110 --> 01:15:22.610 You know, he could have preemptively pardoned himself. 01:15:22.830 --> 01:15:28.390 But, but Sam, Sam, I don't think you remember. I don't even know if he's going 01:15:28.390 --> 01:15:29.590 to pardon these people now. 01:15:30.030 --> 01:15:34.170 Do you remember what the line was about these guys? They're losers. They fail. 01:15:34.910 --> 01:15:35.070 Yes. 01:15:35.590 --> 01:15:39.670 Right. So that's why he didn't pardon them. They were losers. 01:15:40.170 --> 01:15:40.590 Right. 01:15:40.850 --> 01:15:41.610 They failed. 01:15:42.490 --> 01:15:43.050 Yeah. 01:15:44.230 --> 01:15:48.130 So, you know, that's why he didn't pardon them. 01:15:48.170 --> 01:15:51.390 But I think clearly the point though is like the, the precedent argument, 01:15:51.650 --> 01:15:55.930 the precedent argument makes sense in a non-Trump world. 01:15:56.610 --> 01:16:04.030 Like if you had, if you had normal, you know, pre Trump Republicans coming in. 01:16:04.150 --> 01:16:05.550 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 01:16:05.550 --> 01:16:12.610 If you were about to have President Romney right now or President Jeb Bush or something like that, 01:16:12.850 --> 01:16:15.910 I don't think preemptive pardons 01:16:15.910 --> 01:16:20.650 would even be discussed in the slightest because you would expect those people 01:16:20.650 --> 01:16:26.650 to come in and act responsibly and go with the old tradition of you appoint 01:16:26.650 --> 01:16:33.150 an attorney general who's not going to put their finger in it, 01:16:33.370 --> 01:16:35.390 whatever the right metaphor is here. Yeah. 01:16:35.670 --> 01:16:42.090 Is not going to be a weapon like, and to be clear, all of that came from the 01:16:42.090 --> 01:16:44.730 fact that we used to have attorney generals like that. 01:16:45.330 --> 01:16:50.730 Johnson and Nixon and Kennedy used the Justice Department vindictively against 01:16:50.730 --> 01:16:52.430 their enemies routinely. 01:16:52.910 --> 01:16:53.250 Right. 01:16:53.630 --> 01:17:00.370 They also use the IRS that way. They generally use the power of the federal 01:17:00.370 --> 01:17:06.590 government for their personal gain and against their political enemies. 01:17:06.890 --> 01:17:09.090 And after Watergate... 01:17:09.540 --> 01:17:16.240 We said, no, that's not okay. And a whole lot of protections were put in place to stop that. 01:17:16.460 --> 01:17:20.300 And that's what Trump is throwing out the window. 01:17:21.500 --> 01:17:24.800 But Joe Biden very much believes in that stuff. 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:28.980 And if he thought somebody was coming in like these normal Republicans, 01:17:29.340 --> 01:17:33.420 pre-Trump normal Republicans, he wouldn't be thinking about this because he'd 01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:37.600 expect those people to, like you disagree on policy, but you're generally going 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:39.300 to do the right thing on this kind of stuff. 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:44.640 And, but there's no, there's zero trust that Trump will do the right thing. I mean, come on. 01:17:45.620 --> 01:17:46.040 Right. 01:17:47.820 --> 01:17:53.960 And so, I mean, I, I, I said on our commutations corner slack that I think Biden 01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:57.540 should actually be very aggressive with preemptive pardons. 01:17:58.160 --> 01:18:03.080 Screw the precedent, screw people saying like, this is not the right thing to do. 01:18:03.940 --> 01:18:08.240 Stop. I mean, it's too late for a lot of things, but at least on this, 01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:12.680 don't be bringing the knife to the gunfight, you know, like the, 01:18:12.700 --> 01:18:16.240 the other team is going to do whatever they're going to do and they're going 01:18:16.240 --> 01:18:18.060 to make the full use of federal power. 01:18:18.280 --> 01:18:21.920 So while you've got the time to do it, do the same damn thing, 01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:27.480 you know, all of this, like, well, we want to restrain ourselves because we 01:18:27.480 --> 01:18:30.300 hope they will restrain themselves when they have the same power. 01:18:30.980 --> 01:18:35.500 No, fuck that. That that's from a previous universe. Like it's, 01:18:36.810 --> 01:18:41.590 I mean, I wish the Democrats had actually given up on some of that like a long time ago. 01:18:41.990 --> 01:18:48.350 Like, I mean, frankly, like a big part of this election back and forth we've 01:18:48.350 --> 01:18:51.670 been having is like people just, you know, 01:18:52.030 --> 01:18:57.010 blame the party and power for not doing what they want for not doing anything, 01:18:57.190 --> 01:19:01.330 not just not doing what they want, but for being ineffective in general and 01:19:01.330 --> 01:19:04.570 where where they don't understand checks and balances and stuff. 01:19:04.570 --> 01:19:08.370 So like should have ditched the filibuster years ago. 01:19:08.710 --> 01:19:12.810 It's just like God full speed ad getting shit done. 01:19:13.130 --> 01:19:18.010 Yeah. But fucking cinema and mansion fucking blocked it. 01:19:18.010 --> 01:19:20.650 I saw one, I saw one thing the other 01:19:20.650 --> 01:19:26.210 day saying like all of the blame the Democrats got for not doing X, Y, Z. 01:19:26.410 --> 01:19:30.770 If you'd just gotten those two on board with the full big build back better 01:19:30.770 --> 01:19:36.750 or whatever, which I guess would have included having to do some sort of exemption 01:19:36.750 --> 01:19:38.490 of the filibuster or something. I don't know. 01:19:38.610 --> 01:19:43.890 I, I forget the details of all back then, but, but you could have gotten a lot of shit done. 01:19:44.010 --> 01:19:47.470 That was very visible and people maybe would have remembered, 01:19:47.630 --> 01:19:52.730 but even then, like people don't, people don't remember like the stuff that 01:19:52.730 --> 01:19:54.170 did get done. Nobody gives. 01:19:54.570 --> 01:20:01.730 Listen, listen, listen, I, I, I really look this environment right now of anti-incumbency 01:20:01.730 --> 01:20:07.310 because of yes, uh, the general economic situation. 01:20:07.310 --> 01:20:10.630 And the general economic sensation that 01:20:10.630 --> 01:20:13.790 people have had and this entire and and 01:20:13.790 --> 01:20:17.650 it's really fed by a combination of xenophobia 01:20:17.650 --> 01:20:21.270 trans basic mostly 01:20:21.270 --> 01:20:24.390 transphobia and then you add this 01:20:24.390 --> 01:20:31.130 this thing where a lot of people the the thing is that they see oh my god these 01:20:31.130 --> 01:20:35.890 costs went up yeah but but they don't see that they're making more money they 01:20:35.890 --> 01:20:41.490 can't they can't see the net well also they can't see the net but. 01:20:41.490 --> 01:20:47.570 Also but also if i get more money it's because i'm awesome not because of something 01:20:47.570 --> 01:20:51.970 the government did if prices are higher it's not my. 01:20:51.970 --> 01:20:56.710 Fault it's the government's fault but but then but then the expectation that 01:20:56.710 --> 01:21:01.050 many have that they think that somehow the prices will go back down Yes. 01:21:01.870 --> 01:21:10.210 Which is ludicrous. Okay. You know, so you get, you get this entire thing where the thing is the, 01:21:10.390 --> 01:21:15.130 but I will say that the main thing that I've seen with many has a lot to do 01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:21.290 with this pricing thing where in their head, they're like, oh, whatever. 01:21:21.290 --> 01:21:25.850 And then, man, this entire anti-immigrant thing that they have fed, 01:21:26.050 --> 01:21:30.750 I mean, this entire xenophobic anti-immigrant thing that they have fed this 01:21:30.750 --> 01:21:35.470 monster where it's just, it's just so huge and it's global, right? 01:21:36.340 --> 01:21:40.640 A lot, a lot of the things we're talking about are global. The price spikes 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:42.260 were global pandemic fueled. 01:21:43.360 --> 01:21:47.540 And if anything, like the U S did better than most countries in terms of that. 01:21:47.660 --> 01:21:52.680 But that, but that doesn't matter that every other fuck in a country doesn't matter. 01:21:53.060 --> 01:21:56.820 It doesn't matter. It's the same thing. Like I said, I'm dealing with over here 01:21:56.820 --> 01:22:01.140 with so many disgruntled people in the condo association. All right. 01:22:01.340 --> 01:22:01.840 Back to this. 01:22:01.940 --> 01:22:05.820 Because, well, no, but it's nobody, but it's related to the Sam. 01:22:05.820 --> 01:22:08.980 It's related to the price increase thing and how they see it, 01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:10.920 okay, and who they blame, all right? 01:22:11.340 --> 01:22:16.220 Because condo assessments over the last five years have gone up like 30% in our community. 01:22:16.460 --> 01:22:20.660 And the main reason has been a combination of inflation and mostly driven by 01:22:20.660 --> 01:22:22.420 insurance, okay? All right? 01:22:23.220 --> 01:22:28.580 But the reality is that they're up here 30%, but you go across South Florida, 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:35.480 they're up 60%. We have one of the lowest rates of increase across the fucking 01:22:35.480 --> 01:22:38.100 state, okay, considering what's going on. 01:22:38.220 --> 01:22:44.600 And people still are bitching about the increases. And I'm like, people, you know what? 01:22:44.780 --> 01:22:47.960 I can't control insurance, okay? 01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:54.380 We can't control the fucking insurance, okay? Insurance rates have skyrocketed, okay? 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:57.220 It's the biggest line item in our budget. 01:22:58.160 --> 01:23:03.860 And if it goes up that way, we've got no way. I mean, I've shopped it. 01:23:04.200 --> 01:23:10.620 It doesn't matter. But people still, they don't care, okay? 01:23:10.700 --> 01:23:14.100 They blame the leadership because you're costing me more. 01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:18.760 And it doesn't fucking matter why it is. It doesn't matter that you did better 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:21.740 relatively to the other ones like Biden did the economy. 01:23:22.100 --> 01:23:26.840 Now, by the way, I still won the election. It's not clear. But it was a lot closer. 01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:30.100 Than it's been in the past. Way closer. 01:23:30.440 --> 01:23:31.020 Okay. 01:23:32.240 --> 01:23:37.820 So, yeah, I mean, it's just the reason I can't bring that up is because what 01:23:37.820 --> 01:23:42.880 I see is the behavior, the misinformation, the anger, 01:23:43.540 --> 01:23:48.840 the, you know, this whole anti-incumbent thing in general. 01:23:48.860 --> 01:23:54.120 It just seems to be fucking everywhere about everything, period. 01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:55.500 Yeah. 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.140 We want to make a change. Why? 01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:05.160 So back to pardons preemptive preemptive pardons all around be like super aggressive I'm. 01:24:05.160 --> 01:24:08.120 All for it I'm all for it yeah fuck it I. 01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:14.340 Think like you said I'm all for it it's worth doing some vetting like it's worth doing. 01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:18.700 Vetting you gotta take this list first you gotta vet it thoroughly make sure 01:24:18.700 --> 01:24:22.060 that you're not exactly you know doing something that you pardon somebody then 01:24:22.060 --> 01:24:27.620 you're like holy fuck what the hell but I'm all for it yes do it. 01:24:28.220 --> 01:24:31.220 Don't hesitate just fucking do it and i feel 01:24:31.220 --> 01:24:34.020 like they're they're gnashing their teeth a little bit about this at 01:24:34.020 --> 01:24:36.940 the moment like trying to 01:24:36.940 --> 01:24:41.720 figure out like i think this they are considering it seriously but they have 01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:46.400 not definitely decided to do it i don't think at least the reporting says that 01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:49.540 there's some hesitation they're not sure if they really want to do this the 01:24:49.540 --> 01:24:53.100 precedent the thing the blah blah blah blah blah i think they need to get over 01:24:53.100 --> 01:24:54.720 that and do that one one other concern. 01:24:56.080 --> 01:25:00.700 Was what if people don't want the pardons and aren't going to accept it? Well, ask them first. 01:25:01.320 --> 01:25:07.240 You know, if, if somebody is out there being like, I actually don't want a pardon. Okay. 01:25:07.780 --> 01:25:10.660 Then ask them, don't give them the pardon if they don't want it, 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:14.380 you know, because there's also this implication and that people have worried 01:25:14.380 --> 01:25:17.040 about that accepting a pardon, 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.800 Is perceived as an admission of guilt. 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:33.020 Right. And just to be clear, there is an official pardon request process that people can go through. 01:25:33.220 --> 01:25:38.700 That they fill out a form and they send it to some agency and the agency vets 01:25:38.700 --> 01:25:42.360 them and gives a certain number of them to the president to make the final decision. 01:25:42.980 --> 01:25:47.560 I believe part of that process is an admission of guilt. 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:54.040 In most cases, but it is not actually the actual presidential is unlimited. 01:25:54.520 --> 01:26:01.220 Like the the Ford's pardon of Nixon was a preemptive pardon without Nixon ever 01:26:01.220 --> 01:26:03.040 making an ever admitting guilt. 01:26:03.200 --> 01:26:04.360 That's right. Yeah. 01:26:05.400 --> 01:26:12.200 Carter made a blanket pardon of Vietnam War draft dodgers. He did not even individually 01:26:12.200 --> 01:26:17.540 identify them, let alone look into the specific cases and who was guilty and 01:26:17.540 --> 01:26:18.600 who was not and blah, blah, blah. 01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:24.720 It was just a blanket pardon for anybody who might have committed that crime 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:31.560 during the length of the Vietnam War, you know, and, and, and similarly, like, you know, 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:34.000 there could be pardons here. 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:40.760 The text of the pardon could explicitly say, we're not making anything on guilt or innocence. 01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:47.520 I think even the Hunter Biden one, I think, had some text about might or might 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.480 not have blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:26:51.860 --> 01:26:58.120 Having said that, though, there is no automatic admission of guilt as part of accepting a pardon. 01:26:58.120 --> 01:27:06.700 However, you may absolutely guarantee that the political opponents of anybody 01:27:06.700 --> 01:27:12.040 who gets one of these pardons will absolutely hang it over their head as if it was. 01:27:12.750 --> 01:27:15.050 And, and talk about it as if it 01:27:15.050 --> 01:27:18.730 was so, and some of these people are politicians, so they care about that. 01:27:18.830 --> 01:27:23.310 They care about the perception and like, you know, that they're not actually admitting guilt. 01:27:23.470 --> 01:27:26.610 And, you know, so there might be some people who don't want it. 01:27:27.030 --> 01:27:29.030 So don't give it to the people who don't want it. 01:27:30.270 --> 01:27:34.050 But, uh, I don't know. I, I, I want one. 01:27:34.190 --> 01:27:34.810 Can I get one? 01:27:37.110 --> 01:27:40.270 I don't know that I've done anything, but I'm like, you know. 01:27:40.350 --> 01:27:42.030 I was going to ask, what have you done, Yvonne? 01:27:42.970 --> 01:27:47.450 Nothing that I know of, but, you know, I actually think it'd be kind of cool 01:27:47.450 --> 01:27:48.690 to get a presidential pardon. 01:27:49.870 --> 01:27:53.750 Yeah, a preemptive pardon that says anything you've done in the last 30 years 01:27:53.750 --> 01:27:56.250 that might or might not have been a federal crime. 01:27:56.430 --> 01:28:00.250 Hell, at least, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of like guaranteed. 01:28:00.270 --> 01:28:03.950 I'm like, okay, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to be prosecuted, 01:28:04.110 --> 01:28:07.150 even if I don't expect to be. But, you know, hey. 01:28:07.790 --> 01:28:08.670 There you go. 01:28:09.350 --> 01:28:13.010 It'd be kind of cool to like frame it. I mean, I'm sure it's got to come in 01:28:13.010 --> 01:28:17.450 some kind of like cool little thing that you can frame in your office or something. 01:28:17.910 --> 01:28:18.050 Yeah. 01:28:18.350 --> 01:28:21.090 I mean, I'm like, I mean, I would be, it would be nice. I mean, 01:28:21.450 --> 01:28:23.210 I mean, talk about a conversation piece. 01:28:23.690 --> 01:28:25.830 Right. No, I, you know. 01:28:26.070 --> 01:28:27.270 I have, I have a part. 01:28:27.270 --> 01:28:35.030 And I don't know, I think Joe should also be thinking of what other places can 01:28:35.030 --> 01:28:41.530 he use presidential power with immunity over the next, what, 01:28:41.670 --> 01:28:44.170 we have a month and a week? Something like that? 01:28:44.310 --> 01:28:46.690 I mean, we have pardoned some fucked up people. 01:28:47.050 --> 01:28:47.610 Yeah. 01:28:47.930 --> 01:28:54.110 I mean, like Trump pardoned Michael Milken. I mean, who is the biggest fucking crooks. 01:28:54.110 --> 01:28:59.050 We talk about whitewashing all his crimes now with his milking foundation to 01:28:59.050 --> 01:29:03.030 fucking bullshit that he does you know and like nobody talks about the fact 01:29:03.030 --> 01:29:07.990 that he was one of the biggest fucking fraudsters in wall streets ever in history. 01:29:07.990 --> 01:29:13.850 Yeah i don't know i mean of course the thing with pure executive power other 01:29:13.850 --> 01:29:18.610 than the pardon is that almost everything in that category are things that trump 01:29:18.610 --> 01:29:22.090 could reverse as soon as he got in but you can still make him jump through some 01:29:22.090 --> 01:29:23.550 hoops to do that. I don't know. 01:29:24.930 --> 01:29:28.170 Okay, anything else, Yvonne, or should we close this sucker up? 01:29:28.650 --> 01:29:30.910 You've gone longer than you thought you were going to be able to. 01:29:31.990 --> 01:29:36.950 My wife apparently is knocked out. I mean, I guess the medication really has her knocked out. 01:29:37.670 --> 01:29:38.070 Right. 01:29:38.290 --> 01:29:42.910 I thought she was going to really, I was worried that she was about to come 01:29:42.910 --> 01:29:47.570 to whatever and I'd have to, you know, do stuff. 01:29:47.710 --> 01:29:51.670 But apparently, I mean, she is out, out, out, out. So. 01:29:52.110 --> 01:29:55.370 Well, good, I guess. You know, so. 01:29:55.750 --> 01:29:57.150 Well, yeah, she's not feeling pain. 01:29:57.830 --> 01:30:02.090 How long is it supposed to take to heal from the surgery? Like how long is she going to be? 01:30:02.230 --> 01:30:02.470 Months. 01:30:02.910 --> 01:30:03.310 Months. 01:30:03.670 --> 01:30:05.770 Months. This is not quick. 01:30:06.530 --> 01:30:09.550 Beautiful. Yeah, no, this is not quick. 01:30:10.070 --> 01:30:14.830 I don't know if I mentioned on the show as well, like since we're talking family 01:30:14.830 --> 01:30:17.450 injuries, my wife's mother, 01:30:17.850 --> 01:30:26.330 my mother-in-law in, I guess it was October, got hit by a car and like broken 01:30:26.330 --> 01:30:30.550 pelvis, broken ankle, a head injury as well. 01:30:30.870 --> 01:30:34.630 So my wife's been in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania 01:30:34.630 --> 01:30:37.430 like so she was in the hospital a couple weeks then she 01:30:37.430 --> 01:30:40.090 was in like a a rehab a couple weeks and then 01:30:40.090 --> 01:30:42.970 they finally sent her home and my wife is there 01:30:42.970 --> 01:30:46.430 with her at home because they they sent her home before she was able to actually 01:30:46.430 --> 01:30:51.430 be self-sufficient so my wife has been with her ever since and I think the plan 01:30:51.430 --> 01:30:55.530 is next week my wife's coming back and my daughter's flying out there to take 01:30:55.530 --> 01:31:01.870 over but it's it's the same thing like this is months and months and months long recovery. Right. 01:31:02.390 --> 01:31:06.430 And so she is doing a lot better than she was right after the accident, 01:31:06.430 --> 01:31:12.170 but she's still like, she, she lived alone in a multi-story home. She can't do stairs yet. 01:31:12.590 --> 01:31:18.990 You know, she can, she's now starting to be able to go around on the first floor 01:31:18.990 --> 01:31:24.150 without like a walker or wheelchair sometimes, but it's very tiring, 01:31:24.370 --> 01:31:26.270 very exhausting and she can't do stairs yet. 01:31:27.010 --> 01:31:33.350 And, you know, so these, ah, and, and she's a bit older than your wife. 01:31:33.470 --> 01:31:39.610 So healing also takes longer, you know, you know, so I don't know. 01:31:39.710 --> 01:31:40.790 She, she's doing better too. 01:31:41.050 --> 01:31:45.990 But yeah, these kinds of things. A few years ago, my father was also hit by 01:31:45.990 --> 01:31:48.270 a car. Somebody ran over his foot. 01:31:48.610 --> 01:31:54.310 That also took many many months to get back to where you were before you know 01:31:54.310 --> 01:32:00.210 i mean i running over your foot is better than getting hit square on you know 01:32:00.210 --> 01:32:06.530 but yes much better but still like it months to recover months to recover here's one thing i. 01:32:06.530 --> 01:32:10.590 We have a disney trip planned at the end of this month i i am gonna have to 01:32:10.590 --> 01:32:13.070 probably get her one of those little electric scooter things. 01:32:13.070 --> 01:32:14.450 Yeah okay. 01:32:15.220 --> 01:32:18.840 At least they got those. I get her on one of those. 01:32:19.340 --> 01:32:23.220 You need the electric one or just the one, the knee scooter thing that you push around? 01:32:23.620 --> 01:32:27.220 No, no, no. She's got the knee scooter, but for Disney, I'm going to get her the electric one. 01:32:27.540 --> 01:32:29.100 Okay. The place is too big. 01:32:30.160 --> 01:32:32.920 I do have her. I do. I did get her a knee scooter. Yeah. 01:32:33.580 --> 01:32:39.280 Get her one of those things that where the kind you sit in and like just scooter 01:32:39.280 --> 01:32:41.180 mobility scooters. Yeah. Yeah. 01:32:41.460 --> 01:32:41.760 Yeah. 01:32:42.320 --> 01:32:44.280 Okay. Yeah. No, I can see that. 01:32:44.280 --> 01:32:46.160 Imanu will be happy because he can honk the horn. 01:32:49.380 --> 01:32:54.120 Yeah. Well, so anyway, yeah. Long, long recoveries from these kinds of injuries, 01:32:54.480 --> 01:32:57.300 but hope it goes as smoothly as it can, Yvonne. 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:03.260 And yeah. And hope, hope nobody else gets injured in the next couple months. 01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:08.060 You know, look, I'm hoping that I don't have a recurrence of my problem. 01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:11.240 And I wind up in the hospital because that would be a disaster. 01:33:11.240 --> 01:33:14.800 I don't know what the fuck we're doing. if we're both ill. 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:17.860 Right right now yeah that becomes 01:33:17.860 --> 01:33:20.820 an issue so hopefully it does yes okay let's 01:33:20.820 --> 01:33:25.620 close this sucker up hey everybody go to curmudgeons-corner.com you can find 01:33:25.620 --> 01:33:34.300 our what my son is passing me a dryer hedgehog that that he has he has made 01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:39.600 3d printed versions of various sizes of the hedgehog. Okay. 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:47.360 Okay, stop. No, no, no, no. Come on, I'm wrapping up. Okay, I'm going to mark this at it. 01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:49.020 Okay. 01:33:51.220 --> 01:33:56.560 Okay. 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Because it's so compelling. 01:35:06.470 --> 01:35:12.490 Yes. Residents of Northern California neighborhood had a good laugh after Thursday's 01:35:12.490 --> 01:35:14.270 powerful earthquake struck the region. 01:35:14.690 --> 01:35:16.690 A robotic vacuum cleaner that 01:35:16.690 --> 01:35:19.610 apparently got disconnected for invasion was found roaming the streets. 01:35:19.830 --> 01:35:26.490 So there was like a quake and somehow Aruba somehow wound up escaping this house 01:35:26.490 --> 01:35:28.470 and it was just roaming aimlessly down the street. 01:35:29.290 --> 01:35:30.190 As Roombas do. 01:35:30.650 --> 01:35:39.190 Yeah. Well, also, also, I believe that we shared that there was this, here it is, 01:35:39.950 --> 01:35:45.790 Hawk to a Girl responds as people call for her to be jailed with fans losing 01:35:45.790 --> 01:35:48.470 life savings after buying her cryptocurrency. 01:35:48.710 --> 01:35:52.330 The viral cessation has been accused of pulling the rug under the investors. 01:35:52.530 --> 01:35:58.670 Her crypto coin plummeted by $430 million in just 20 minutes. 01:35:59.410 --> 01:36:03.450 And just to be clear, percentage terms, that was like a 90% drop or something like that. 01:36:03.750 --> 01:36:07.210 Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, 01:36:07.390 --> 01:36:12.810 I do question when I saw this guy, one guy that said, I put my life savings 01:36:12.810 --> 01:36:19.170 in there and I'm suspecting that he had like maybe $20 as his life savings or maybe 40, maybe 40. 01:36:20.690 --> 01:36:24.530 Look, I've said on the show before, I have gambled with some cryptocurrency. 01:36:24.570 --> 01:36:28.670 I've put in a little bit of excess cash into that, that I could afford to lose. 01:36:28.670 --> 01:36:31.390 Gambled in stocks and gotten killed look i i 01:36:31.390 --> 01:36:34.370 you know i had some penny stocks at one time i lost on 01:36:34.370 --> 01:36:37.330 one stock i mean my god i lost like sixty thousand dollars 01:36:37.330 --> 01:36:40.090 on a stock but i had a lot more in 01:36:40.090 --> 01:36:43.010 my portfolio it wasn't like you know i was like maybe at that point 01:36:43.010 --> 01:36:47.790 i don't know this was like 20 years ago i was like it wasn't it was it was like 01:36:47.790 --> 01:36:51.250 10 percent of my portfolio at the time something like that whatever so it wasn't 01:36:51.250 --> 01:36:56.250 like you know i i could withstand a loss of 10 percent of my portfolio okay 01:36:56.250 --> 01:37:02.250 all right i didn't put all my money into a fucking penny stock that's. 01:37:02.250 --> 01:37:08.450 Important i mean and look this is the point i was getting at like sure play 01:37:08.450 --> 01:37:10.550 around gamble with these things but 01:37:10.550 --> 01:37:15.070 recognize that's what you're doing and recognize it could go to zero and. 01:37:15.070 --> 01:37:17.650 Right and if you're not okay with that then. 01:37:17.650 --> 01:37:23.310 You shouldn't be doing it at all like you know especially like hawk to a girl 01:37:23.310 --> 01:37:25.450 comes out with a new crypto coin. 01:37:25.450 --> 01:37:32.350 And you put your life savings in it i mean dude what are you doing i mean at 01:37:32.350 --> 01:37:37.650 least if you're talking about hawk to a girl as your financial advisor i. 01:37:37.650 --> 01:37:41.470 Mean at least if you're talking about bitcoin or ethereum or one of the really 01:37:41.470 --> 01:37:46.230 big ones you have some kind of argument of something. 01:37:46.230 --> 01:37:49.510 Even there don't put your entire life savings. 01:37:50.050 --> 01:37:51.990 Don't put your entire life savings in anything. 01:37:52.470 --> 01:37:53.090 Right. 01:37:53.450 --> 01:37:54.430 You know... 01:37:55.650 --> 01:38:03.550 Yeah. I mean, seriously, like I, I, I have very little sympathy for the people 01:38:03.550 --> 01:38:06.310 who are like, I lost it all. 01:38:06.970 --> 01:38:12.010 Like, okay. If you want to play around with the Hawk to a girl currency or something 01:38:12.010 --> 01:38:17.910 and put a little bit in that you can afford to lose, it's the same. Yeah. then fine. 01:38:18.890 --> 01:38:25.530 But yeah, anybody saying that they've lost a significant amount that affects 01:38:25.530 --> 01:38:28.250 their lives. I'm sorry. You're just dumb. 01:38:28.790 --> 01:38:31.610 You're just dumb. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. 01:38:32.050 --> 01:38:33.970 Okay. Are we done? 01:38:34.270 --> 01:38:35.630 All right. We're done. 01:38:36.090 --> 01:38:40.270 Okay. Thanks everybody for joining us for another curmudgeons corner. 01:38:40.590 --> 01:38:44.570 Have a great week. Stay safe. Oh, I mentioned last week that I was going to 01:38:44.570 --> 01:38:50.610 set up the, the Google sheet for our, our big prediction show at the end of 01:38:50.610 --> 01:38:52.950 the year, which is coming up soon. I haven't done it yet. 01:38:54.410 --> 01:39:01.170 I promise by next week, I will share a link to a Google sheet where people can 01:39:01.170 --> 01:39:08.230 add suggestions for things they want us to predict, but I haven't done it yet. I'm lame. Sorry. 01:39:08.530 --> 01:39:12.050 I'm just doing other stuff with that. Have a great week. Stay safe. 01:39:12.050 --> 01:39:12.250 Okay. 01:39:12.710 --> 01:39:17.170 Blah, blah, blah. Have a good week. Great week. Blah, blah, blah. Goodbye. 01:39:17.390 --> 01:39:18.870 Blah, blah, blah. More blah, blah. 01:39:19.330 --> 01:39:20.570 And goodbye. Say goodbye. 01:39:21.070 --> 01:39:25.310 Bye. Bye, bye, bye. Blah, blah. Thank you. 01:39:53.510 --> 01:39:56.590 Thank you. Okay, that's it. Later, Yvonne. 01:39:58.730 --> 01:40:00.250 All right, let's stop this thing.