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<v Sam>Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Okay. So let me make sure the live stream's all going, going and stuff, stuff.

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<v Sam>And here we go. That's going.

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<v Sam>Now we'll check this thing.

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<v Sam>Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.

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<v Ivan>La, la, la. No, it's.

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<v Sam>Okay. Let's just take this one. And. Ah. Okay.

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<v Sam>And actually this is here there we go blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

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<v Sam>okay ready yvonne ready to go ready to go i'm live here comes the intro,

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<v Sam>welcome to curmudgeon's corner for saturday november 23rd 2024 it is just after

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<v Sam>1830 utc as we're starting to record i'm sam entry von boas here hello yvonne

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<v Sam>hello 13 30 18 30 Didn't I say 18?

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<v Ivan>It sounded like 13 for some reason, but okay. Yeah.

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<v Sam>It's 18.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>It's 18.

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<v Ivan>I, I, I, my ears are, I, anyway.

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<v Sam>Need to start getting those little assistant things. You know,

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<v Sam>you know, the, the Apple has now added.

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<v Ivan>I know.

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<v Sam>Earring aid features to the AirPods. And so, you know.

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<v Ivan>Man, no, I mean, I may need to mow the hair and the ears or something like that. I don't know.

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<v Sam>There you go. Now, now.

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<v Ivan>That is one thing that I can't, you know, I, I don't actually get like,

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<v Ivan>like, I, I know people that that that get really bushy

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<v Ivan>in the ear hair thing

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<v Ivan>and i'm one that look i had to start shaving when i was like 12 okay it was

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<v Ivan>ridiculous okay i mean i i got i mean i had a really ridiculous beard but i

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<v Ivan>don't get that much of it but what i do get i do remove i will say i i i i will

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<v Ivan>i will get rid of that hair you're.

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<v Sam>Talking ear hair.

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<v Ivan>Yes yes ear hair you know yeah so i i do get rid of that and i'll clean my ears regularly good.

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<v Sam>For you i guess yep.

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<v Ivan>Well i mean with proper methodology.

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<v Sam>You're not just.

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<v Ivan>Showing proper method yeah yeah no no no with proper method well

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<v Ivan>here's one thing i i realized especially wearing using like because i i use

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<v Ivan>earbuds regularly right uh-huh look i mean you listen if you don't keep your

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<v Ivan>ears clean i've sometimes you know when i haven't cleaned my ears i will pull

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<v Ivan>them out they're like oh gosh that's disgusting i'm like no I,

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<v Ivan>not not which doesn't happen regularly but it's happened where i've been like

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<v Ivan>i mean i've been a little bit remiss on that department and all of a sudden i'm like uh you.

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<v Sam>Right so now before we get any deeper into details

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<v Sam>of yvonne's earwax um let me just say agenda wise we'll do our usual we'll do

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<v Sam>a butt first and then you know we'll have a segment where yvonne picks what

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<v Sam>we talk about and then we'll have a segment where i pick what we're talking

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<v Sam>about but i was just mentioning to Yvonne right before the actual start of the show.

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<v Ivan>We don't have a lot on the list.

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<v Sam>We're kind of light. Like we had the election. We were burnt out by the election.

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<v Sam>We did talk about election-related stuff anyway last week.

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<v Sam>But at this point, it's like one of the topics on my potential list is everybody's

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<v Sam>– lots of people are backing off from news and stuff. I'm not so much.

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<v Ivan>But a lot of people. I know a lot of people are. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Ivan>it's like, don't even, you know, I don't want to hear it.

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<v Ivan>Just don't even, you know, mention it. Yeah, I know.

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<v Ivan>That's a topic to discuss. Yeah.

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<v Sam>Yeah. So I don't know. So you want you want to start a but firsty kind of thing?

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<v Ivan>Well, here's a but first thing that I will I will I will mention.

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<v Ivan>So my wife and son were supposed to travel today for for a few days to visit

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<v Ivan>family in Bogota because there's no school.

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<v Ivan>But I still had work. And I was like, you know, I'm like, look,

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<v Ivan>I'm going to go over there and I'm going to wind up because I've done this before when I've had work.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, look, I'm going to wind up. You guys go do something.

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<v Ivan>And I got to sit in front of the computer anyway because I got to deal with shit.

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<v Ivan>So this doesn't make any sense. You guys go and I'll stay over here,

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<v Ivan>work, and then I'll pick you guys up back at the airport.

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<v Ivan>But the interesting thing that happened is that the date's approaching and we

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<v Ivan>get news that they were going to stay at her aunt's house where also her aunt.

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<v Ivan>Her cousin has been living there with his wife for a little bit.

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<v Ivan>They actually have a very big house.

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<v Ivan>So it's not like it's not for money reasons. It's like they,

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<v Ivan>you know, they got married and they have a very big house and they're basically splitting it.

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<v Ivan>My mom is, you know, divorced for a long time.

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<v Ivan>So she's single. So they're like, well, you got one side of the house.

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<v Ivan>I got side of the house. This works, you know, and that way,

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<v Ivan>you know, you know, we're all here and they had pregnant. They had a baby. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Not that long ago, less than a year old. And so my wife was going to stay over

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<v Ivan>there because the house is quite big.

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<v Ivan>And Manu went to the house. And the house is quite nice, to be honest.

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<v Ivan>And Manu was like, no, no, I want to stay at that house. I don't want to stay there.

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<v Ivan>No, no, where are you going to take me? No, you're not going to take me to some

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<v Ivan>tiny apartment. No, no, no, that house is awesome. And the house is pretty cool.

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<v Ivan>So all of a sudden, get a call a couple of days and say, hey,

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<v Ivan>his cousins, my wife's cousin's wife's family had come to visit.

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<v Ivan>They had been on a cruise and apparently they all came back sick.

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<v Ivan>Not sure exactly with what.

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<v Sam>Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let, let me express my utter shock that people

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<v Sam>went on a cruise and all came back sick.

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<v Sam>This is a place where you are all together in a space for an extended period of time.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and people came home sick. Like, I am shocked beyond belief

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<v Sam>that this might have happened.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. And so they came back. A whole bunch of them came back sick.

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<v Ivan>And the baby got sick. Okay. So they took the baby.

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<v Ivan>And the baby got really badly sick. So they took him to the hospital.

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<v Ivan>When they tested the baby, he came back positive for both the flu and COVID.

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<v Sam>Nice. Together.

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<v Ivan>Together.

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<v Sam>Excellent.

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<v Ivan>So, well, OK, so my wife's like, well, I guess we can't stay there.

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<v Ivan>And then she she talking to her friend, which they were originally going to

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<v Ivan>stay at her place. She's got the flu.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, OK, so then, well, how about you're going to stay at your aunt's

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<v Ivan>house and her other aunt?

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<v Ivan>OK, she doesn't have the flu, but her daughter is at the hospital and they don't

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<v Ivan>know why she is feeling ill and they're not sure why.

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<v Ivan>And so it was just like.

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<v Sam>Everyone's sick or everyone else.

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<v Ivan>Everyone is sick. And so the thing is, Manu was really, really,

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<v Ivan>really, really, really, really excited about, you know, getting on,

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<v Ivan>you know, he loves airplanes, but go get on the damn plane.

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<v Ivan>And well, I had to break the news to him yesterday that I'm not going to be able to go today.

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<v Ivan>So you know but i did what i

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<v Ivan>what i did is like i i said look one thing

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<v Ivan>is i'm telling him not to go on a plane and have no plan b

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<v Ivan>is terrible because that's that's the thing that i've noticed with him that

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<v Ivan>it's like you will get very upset if you're just telling him well it's canceled

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<v Ivan>we got no no you know no plan b so then he will be very upset so i went i said no no no Look,

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<v Ivan>and my wife's like, look, I can't just tell him I'm not going.

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<v Ivan>I got to figure out what plan B is. I don't know yet what plan B is.

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<v Ivan>So I sat down last night. I'm trying to look at what the plan Bs are.

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<v Ivan>And the one that I finally settled on was, OK, look, let me look at the calendar.

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<v Ivan>Because we had planned already on a trip during the holidays.

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<v Ivan>So I was like, well, we can't move this airplane trip to the holidays.

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<v Ivan>Actually, we haven't been, amazingly enough, Sam, we haven't been to Disney since June.

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<v Sam>OK. I was about to say, let me guess, you're going to Disney?

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<v Ivan>No, no, no.

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<v Sam>I'm like, no, he's not going to mention he's going to Disney.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no.

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<v Sam>He goes to Disney all the time.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. But we haven't been to Disney since June, so we had already booked

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<v Ivan>that for the holidays. That was already booked.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, well, we're not going to fly to Orlando, okay?

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<v Ivan>All right? That makes no sense, okay?

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<v Ivan>You know, so then I looked. I'm like, okay, but that was going to be after Christmas, okay?

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<v Ivan>We're going to go for New Year's? No, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Ivan>What I did is I rebooked the airline tickets for them to go before Christmas,

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<v Ivan>like to go from the 19th through the 23rd, because this is going to be a short

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<v Ivan>trip anyway, for them to go over there and to go before Christmas to hang out for a few days.

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<v Ivan>Then you come back, we spend Christmas here, and then we'll go.

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<v Sam>So wait, where are you sending them for a few days?

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<v Ivan>They're going to go back. They're going to go to Bogota because my wife had

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<v Ivan>wanted to visit, but I changed the dates towards December 19 instead of flying now.

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<v Ivan>I was able to find tickets,

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<v Ivan>This stupid trip every time. This is the second time I've rebooked it.

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<v Ivan>The tickets don't have penalties. However, the thing is that if there's a fair

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<v Ivan>difference, you have to pay it.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Every time I've rebooked it, the price has gone up. And because that's a very

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<v Ivan>busy time, I wound up having to pay a whole bunch of more money.

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<v Ivan>I wound up paying more than the price that I originally paid for the tickets.

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<v Ivan>For them to be able to fly on those damn days.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, you gotta be shitting me.

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<v Ivan>This stupid trip, every fucking time they were supposed to go in September, something happened.

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<v Ivan>Okay, we pushed it for Thanksgiving.

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<v Ivan>Now, this weekend, everybody gets sick. No, we gotta push it again.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, damn it, back then I paid, I don't know how much money because

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<v Ivan>the fare was higher because it was a busier time period. And now that one is

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<v Ivan>even busier than this one.

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<v Ivan>And so therefore, right now, basically the price of these tickets has doubled.

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<v Ivan>Right. It's doubled since I originally bought the damn things.

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<v Sam>Beautiful, beautiful.

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<v Ivan>Like, I was like, what? Actually, no, wait, what am I talking? No, not doubled.

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<v Ivan>No, no, more. It's more, it's tripled.

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<v Ivan>Okay okay so anyway i i i this trip is i really hope they fly this time but are.

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<v Sam>They doing anything else this week to.

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<v Ivan>Substitute school are.

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<v Sam>They just staying home or they are they gonna like fill.

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<v Ivan>That week with.

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<v Sam>Some sort of activity.

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<v Ivan>We haven't figured that out yet okay but the thing is that yeah there's no school

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<v Ivan>and so i don't know i don't know what the hell we're gonna do now,

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<v Ivan>okay you know i i don't know well manu you

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<v Ivan>know the the biggest thing was the flying on

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<v Ivan>the plane right we're gonna get him to you know at least he knows that he's

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<v Ivan>gonna fly on the plane on the 19th and when i told him that we changed the dates

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<v Ivan>and everybody was sick he was like oh okay so i just gotta wait more days yeah

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<v Ivan>it's fine and so he's like okay cool no problem so he's you know he took that

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<v Ivan>he took that uh because i came up with a plan he took it well because when my wife at first,

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<v Ivan>tried to tell him that we're not going.

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<v Ivan>She started first with strategy. Oh, we're just not going to tell him that?

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<v Ivan>Oh my god, that kid was breaking up in tears.

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<v Ivan>I mean, he was just...

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<v Ivan>I'm like, okay, okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm like, wait,

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<v Ivan>wait, wait. Let me try to figure something out.

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<v Ivan>Okay? Because the poor kid was just gonna...

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<v Ivan>He was gonna cry like oh my god he was he was ready to explode crying so i i had to uh,

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<v Ivan>sort something out so what are we going to do the next couple of days i don't

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<v Ivan>know there's no school i don't know stay.

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<v Sam>Home and watch tv and play video games that's fine right.

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<v Ivan>That's that that's basically what what i've got on on the agenda now here's

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<v Ivan>one thing that this doesn't convenience me i had planned to do a number a certain

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<v Ivan>to take care of a certain number of things like the next couple of days because

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<v Ivan>there were going to be a way and.

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<v Sam>That'll be hard.

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<v Ivan>And now all of a sudden, well, I'm going to have to still, well,

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<v Ivan>one of them involves me getting, going to, to get a, a chest CT scan.

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<v Sam>Oh, that's fun. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Woo. Yeah. I know. It's like exciting. Yeah. I scheduled all this exciting

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<v Ivan>stuff to do while they were gone. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>No, it like I'm getting a chest CT and shit like that, whatever.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, okay, well at least, you know, I don't have to worry about other stuff.

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<v Ivan>I've got like right now, because I was in the hospital last month because some

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<v Ivan>other tests or whatever i have like right now scheduled three different medical

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<v Ivan>tests over the next month,

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<v Ivan>that's exciting i got one that involves me you know drinking this barium thing

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<v Ivan>in order to get contrast ct they tell me it tastes terrible i've never had to do that before you.

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<v Sam>Know we clearly live up to our curmudgeons title when we talk about our our

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<v Sam>health issues and maladies.

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<v Ivan>Well this is the kind of shit here's the thing this is

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<v Ivan>the kind of shit that happens as you know

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<v Ivan>as we are getting into our curmudgeonly years and

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<v Ivan>i gotta tell you something it's gonna get worse i'm sure yeah you know there

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<v Ivan>was like i still always remember this the scene from uh city slickers with uh

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<v Ivan>billy crystal where he went he go they had brought him in you know there's one

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<v Ivan>of these days a career day i guess and he was supposed to talk to the to the little kids about,

00:14:35.810 --> 00:14:40.170
<v Ivan>his work or whatever and his work was boring and there was this one line,

00:14:40.370 --> 00:14:43.550
<v Ivan>you know, he was talking about getting old and he said you know,

00:14:43.810 --> 00:14:45.970
<v Ivan>as we grow old, one thing has happened, it's like, you know,

00:14:46.070 --> 00:14:48.290
<v Ivan>we go and get sent to the hospital and we get an,

00:14:49.670 --> 00:14:52.810
<v Ivan>operation, but in order not to make it sound so bad, we call it a procedure,

00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:57.200
<v Ivan>You know, so, you know, well, you know, that, that's where to step with.

00:14:57.300 --> 00:14:59.720
<v Ivan>We are at that. We are at the procedure step right now.

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<v Sam>I understand. So is it my turn?

00:15:02.520 --> 00:15:03.300
<v Ivan>Yes, it's your turn.

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<v Sam>Okay. Now I'll, I'll just say this upfront. Like I've got, I know we have sort

00:15:08.680 --> 00:15:11.480
<v Sam>of the butt first and then the more newsy things, but honestly,

00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:16.080
<v Sam>most of the things on my list at this point are, and this ties to what we were

00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:17.480
<v Sam>saying about people being sick of news.

00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.740
<v Sam>I'm still like religiously following news, but most of the things I have on

00:15:21.740 --> 00:15:31.220
<v Sam>my list are not particularly newsy so here's a spider story yeah yes yeah.

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<v Ivan>I i see that there i i don't remember talking about the spider.

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<v Sam>Story i i have not said anything to you guys on the slack about the spider story

00:15:38.780 --> 00:15:44.240
<v Sam>it is it is not it is not something i saw in the news it is something that happened to me so uh people.

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<v Ivan>Ditching x for blue sky.

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<v Sam>Blue sky that's another.

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<v Ivan>One i i i i have to admit that for just because i'm just i mean how many fucking

00:15:53.460 --> 00:15:55.080
<v Ivan>apps do i really want to be.

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<v Sam>Okay okay let's let's i i am going to pick for my butt first here all right

00:16:00.140 --> 00:16:01.860
<v Sam>i'm gonna do the spider story.

00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:03.120
<v Ivan>Okay the spider.

00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:10.080
<v Sam>Story because i feel like this is spider so here's the thing and i know me and

00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.120
<v Sam>my family will appall certain people by this,

00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:20.840
<v Sam>But we are kindly to the wildlife, including spiders, okay?

00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.500
<v Sam>We basically leave the bee.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, I am somewhat kindly to the wildlife, but I got some lines.

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<v Sam>So spiders in particular are good. They are helpful creatures.

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<v Ivan>No, no. They're good outside.

00:16:42.660 --> 00:16:47.320
<v Sam>Inside not in here unless you've got like poisonous spiders or something which

00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:48.980
<v Sam>we really don't have in this area i.

00:16:48.980 --> 00:16:54.740
<v Ivan>Know how do i know how the hell do you know what do you got a little fucking decoder card.

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<v Sam>Well so the thing is like yes in in this part of the world like spiders that

00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:06.360
<v Sam>are dangerous to humans are rare we don't live in australia it would be in a

00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:10.160
<v Sam>different story in australia okay but spiders that are how do.

00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.400
<v Ivan>You know some asshole didn't bring one like you know from Australia, as far as you know.

00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.160
<v Ivan>You know, the Everglades right now is overrun with pythons.

00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:18.760
<v Sam>Yes.

00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:21.880
<v Ivan>They're not native here because a whole bunch of assholes fucking like,

00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.420
<v Ivan>oh, well, I bought a python and had it home. Well, oh shit, it was such a bad

00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:26.820
<v Ivan>idea to have a python at home.

00:17:26.980 --> 00:17:30.300
<v Ivan>Let me just dump it in the Everglades. And they multiply worse than rabbits.

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<v Sam>So anyway, the point of this is there are a variety of places in our living

00:17:35.660 --> 00:17:39.860
<v Sam>spaces where we cohabitate with the spiders and are fine with them.

00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:43.380
<v Sam>Like we intentionally don't mess with them. We let them be.

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<v Sam>So I am looking in the corner of my office. There are webs right there. Okay?

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<v Sam>And I'm like, that's fine. They can be there.

00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:57.080
<v Sam>There's like some webs in the – there's a spider that lives in my shower.

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<v Sam>And, you know, I leave it alone. It leaves me alone. There's no worries there.

00:18:02.620 --> 00:18:10.520
<v Sam>But – because, you know, they're nice little creatures. They are our friends. You know?

00:18:10.520 --> 00:18:12.900
<v Ivan>They can be my friend outside.

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<v Sam>Now, my daughter is scared of spiders.

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<v Sam>But, you know, in my spaces and whatever, I, I'm not going to interfere with

00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:27.290
<v Sam>the spiders and they're not going to interfere with me.

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<v Sam>So more specifically, there was one particular spider that for the last,

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<v Sam>I don't know how many months, but definitely months was living in my car. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Oh, fuck this. The hell with that shit. Oh, my God.

00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:49.930
<v Sam>So let me know.

00:18:50.270 --> 00:18:53.710
<v Ivan>No, I mean, listen, fuck it. The car.

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<v Ivan>Fuck you. No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, even like, you know, it's in the corner over there in the office.

00:19:00.670 --> 00:19:06.310
<v Ivan>I'm like, whatever. I'm like, I am probably like, OK, in the fucking car. No way. No.

00:19:06.870 --> 00:19:14.250
<v Sam>So like, look, it would it usually lived around the around the driver's seat,

00:19:14.510 --> 00:19:16.390
<v Sam>you know, in that general area.

00:19:16.630 --> 00:19:20.930
<v Sam>So like while I was driving, I would see it like on the mirror and stuff.

00:19:21.110 --> 00:19:25.590
<v Sam>Sometimes it would like come down in front of my face. There was one time recently

00:19:25.590 --> 00:19:29.270
<v Sam>where it was on the headrest and Alex was like, be really careful.

00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:31.790
<v Sam>Don't put your head back because you might squish the spider.

00:19:32.350 --> 00:19:38.490
<v Sam>And so, you know, for months and months, like Alex and I would pay attention to where the spider was.

00:19:38.750 --> 00:19:43.890
<v Sam>We'd talk to the spider. We'd say hello to the spider. we'd be like if the spider

00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:48.650
<v Sam>was in a dangerous place we'd make sure we paid attention and whatever and so

00:19:48.650 --> 00:19:50.910
<v Sam>like again the spider was our friend,

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<v Sam>Okay. Now you'll notice I have used the past tense because something horrible happened.

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<v Ivan>You crushed it accidentally.

00:19:58.550 --> 00:20:07.210
<v Sam>I did not crush it. I was, I was picking up some fast food for Alex at a McDonald's.

00:20:07.450 --> 00:20:07.890
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:20:08.110 --> 00:20:11.890
<v Sam>And you know, it is one of these curbside pickup things. So like, okay.

00:20:12.230 --> 00:20:16.950
<v Sam>The, the, you know, you, you pull up to the spot and they come out and bring you your food.

00:20:16.970 --> 00:20:18.770
<v Sam>I rolled down the window. The

00:20:18.770 --> 00:20:23.770
<v Sam>guy starts handing me my food and then he's like, oh, you have a spider.

00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:24.930
<v Ivan>Boom.

00:20:25.770 --> 00:20:35.990
<v Sam>Exactly. Like he smacked the spider and, and I was like stunned. I was like.

00:20:36.030 --> 00:20:37.670
<v Ivan>That's the normal reaction.

00:20:38.110 --> 00:20:41.870
<v Sam>I, I, I was not. And he's like, oh, don't worry. I got it for you.

00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:52.890
<v Sam>And and meanwhile like i i wanted i wanted to scream no but it was too late

00:20:52.890 --> 00:20:56.450
<v Sam>he'd already smacked the spider so i just and.

00:20:56.450 --> 00:21:01.470
<v Ivan>I and i'm guessing at some point you realized oh shit that's the normal thing to do i.

00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:03.090
<v Sam>Can't no he was actually.

00:21:03.090 --> 00:21:09.410
<v Ivan>He was actually trying to be nice but did you realize that that was the opposite.

00:21:09.410 --> 00:21:17.710
<v Sam>So like yeah i i i you froze i froze i wanted to say something but i froze yeah

00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:23.110
<v Sam>he and he sort of was like you know you want a napkin it sort of fell down and

00:21:23.110 --> 00:21:26.890
<v Sam>i'm like no no and to myself i'm thinking god damn it you've done enough,

00:21:27.930 --> 00:21:30.490
<v Sam>asshole but like i.

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<v Ivan>Said nothing he was but he i know he he

00:21:33.930 --> 00:21:42.230
<v Ivan>would okay let's be clear he was i i know it was a mistake but because for 99.999

00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:47.610
<v Ivan>percent of the people that would have been a nice thing to do he did what he

00:21:47.610 --> 00:21:51.370
<v Ivan>thought would have been unfortunately i.

00:21:51.370 --> 00:21:58.390
<v Sam>Hear you like so i just sort of was like nope nope i'm good and i closed the

00:21:58.390 --> 00:22:03.890
<v Sam>window he went back in i sat there in the car and cried for several minutes before.

00:22:03.890 --> 00:22:11.110
<v Ivan>By the way i do understand i i understand so i i will say that i i look i'm

00:22:11.110 --> 00:22:14.710
<v Ivan>not like that with spiders but you know we get like uh and.

00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:16.770
<v Sam>Then i had to break the news to alex because he cared.

00:22:16.770 --> 00:22:19.510
<v Ivan>About spider too we get these little we get these

00:22:19.570 --> 00:22:24.830
<v Ivan>geckos like around that are actually harmless and they're actually good especially

00:22:24.830 --> 00:22:27.850
<v Ivan>because they had a lot of cockroaches they actually they they will they will

00:22:27.850 --> 00:22:31.690
<v Ivan>they will eat the cockroaches yes so the little geckos i'm actually fine and

00:22:31.690 --> 00:22:32.650
<v Ivan>that's what the spiders do.

00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:34.130
<v Sam>Too they they eat other bugs.

00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:40.030
<v Ivan>Yeah but but you know i i don't like the fucking spiders anyway but but you

00:22:40.030 --> 00:22:43.090
<v Ivan>know i don't like the fucking cobwebs i don't like walking into the fucking

00:22:43.090 --> 00:22:46.830
<v Ivan>cobwebs that they that they do and then I get them all, anyway, no, no,

00:22:47.030 --> 00:22:49.950
<v Ivan>no, no, they're, they're too, too, but the geckos are harmless,

00:22:50.070 --> 00:22:55.090
<v Ivan>they don't build webs, they don't leave shit, they don't do whatever it needs, so, so, you know,

00:22:55.970 --> 00:22:59.490
<v Ivan>like, I think a lot of people are scared of them, too, but I'm,

00:22:59.550 --> 00:23:01.750
<v Ivan>like, usually, like, we find one, we're, like,

00:23:02.730 --> 00:23:05.830
<v Ivan>you know, we'll try to leave it alone, or, you know, because I know that they

00:23:05.830 --> 00:23:10.010
<v Ivan>can't be inside all the, all the time, I'll try to, like, you know, grab it, and, like,

00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.300
<v Ivan>get it outside so it could be, you know, that way because they want water and

00:23:15.300 --> 00:23:19.040
<v Ivan>they need, they need to be outside. Okay. Also, they can't just be stuck inside all the time.

00:23:19.800 --> 00:23:23.960
<v Ivan>Yeah. So I, I mean, I accidentally once like with a door, it got in,

00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:26.180
<v Ivan>it got wedged in the door jam.

00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:31.140
<v Ivan>Man, close the door. Flatten the poor gecko.

00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:37.680
<v Ivan>I was very upset when that happened. So, so I understand why you were like,

00:23:37.780 --> 00:23:40.540
<v Ivan>I was like, it's been a couple of weeks now.

00:23:40.540 --> 00:23:45.380
<v Sam>So I'm able to laugh and joke about this a little bit now, but like for like

00:23:45.380 --> 00:23:48.320
<v Sam>a couple days, I was like, every time I thought about it, I was upset.

00:23:48.940 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Sam>You know, I'm like, I should have done something. I could have like, I don't know.

00:23:54.740 --> 00:23:59.240
<v Ivan>You know, this reminds me. There's a movie that I actually I have to look to

00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.360
<v Ivan>to watch this movie again, because I looked up that it does have a lot of good

00:24:03.360 --> 00:24:04.700
<v Ivan>reviews, but it's not a very.

00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.880
<v Ivan>As a matter of fact, I know I just looked up the box office it had was one hundred

00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.460
<v Ivan>thousand dollars. That's how little play it got.

00:24:12.620 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Ivan>It's a movie with Kevin Bacon. It was called The Big Picture. Okay.

00:24:16.320 --> 00:24:16.520
<v Sam>Okay.

00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:22.620
<v Ivan>So The Big Picture was a movie about Kevin Bacon being a promising new kid from

00:24:22.620 --> 00:24:27.260
<v Ivan>film school that all of a sudden got hired and they gave him a contract to do a movie in Hollywood.

00:24:27.260 --> 00:24:34.260
<v Ivan>But then he wanted to do a black and white movie like the old school and whatever.

00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Ivan>And then, you know, he started sitting down with all these people at the commercial

00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:46.340
<v Ivan>Hollywood studio and it wind up turning into some movie with bikini girls on

00:24:46.340 --> 00:24:48.760
<v Ivan>a beach and pop music and,

00:24:49.100 --> 00:24:52.760
<v Ivan>you know, just just some generic thing that had nothing to do with the with

00:24:52.760 --> 00:24:55.040
<v Ivan>the art, right, art, art, art,

00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.460
<v Ivan>artistic type of movie he wanted to make.

00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:01.740
<v Ivan>So one day he's sitting at a bar this is why this reminds me of you he's sitting

00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:06.880
<v Ivan>at a bar and he's watching they have a tv and they have an older tube tv i don't

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.440
<v Ivan>know if you've ever noticed some older tv sometimes like that and i've seen

00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.120
<v Ivan>this before i mean sometimes yeah a little off and.

00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:15.000
<v Sam>You smack them to get them.

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.860
<v Ivan>Yeah and and sometimes like for example you smack them

00:25:17.860 --> 00:25:20.540
<v Ivan>and sometimes they would be in black and white and smack them

00:25:20.540 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Ivan>and come into color okay so he had been wanting to

00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.260
<v Ivan>do the movie in black and white and he's

00:25:26.260 --> 00:25:29.020
<v Ivan>sitting there and the tv is showing this movie that looks in

00:25:29.020 --> 00:25:31.940
<v Ivan>black and white and so the bartender sees this

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Ivan>and is annoyed by it and smacks the tv and it puts it and i think it was a colorized

00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Ivan>version of a black and white movie that's what it was and so the movie is showing

00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Ivan>him black and white he's like oh look at this movie in the original black and

00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Ivan>white and the bartender smacks the tv and it goes into color he's like wow that's

00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:50.280
<v Ivan>much better and he's like,

00:25:52.120 --> 00:25:55.360
<v Ivan>asshole. You don't understand. So that's kind of like what happened to you.

00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:57.480
<v Ivan>This guy thought, oh yeah, I'm doing you a favor.

00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:00.380
<v Ivan>I'm like going to put it in color and like, you know, so he killed the spider.

00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:02.780
<v Ivan>But unfortunately, uh, no, it's, uh, no.

00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:07.600
<v Sam>Well, and my, my wife, one of the things she did, one of the things she said

00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Sam>to try to make me feel better, which you'll love is like, well,

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.260
<v Sam>maybe if you're really lucky before it was killed,

00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:18.400
<v Sam>it laid eggs and then you'll have

00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.120
<v Sam>lots of little baby spiders in a little while so far

00:26:22.120 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Sam>it's been it's been like three weeks no no sign of no

00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.920
<v Sam>sign of baby spiders no sign of baby spiders yet no side sign of a replacement

00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Sam>spider of any sort you know so i don't know but yeah so it's still sad but yeah

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:45.100
<v Sam>i thought you would appreciate that story and my general attitude towards spiders in the house i.

00:26:45.100 --> 00:26:47.700
<v Ivan>I i do appreciate how I do.

00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Sam>Not.

00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:55.560
<v Ivan>I am not in the camp of like the attitude you guys have against the spiders.

00:26:55.760 --> 00:27:00.020
<v Ivan>However, I do totally empathize with the fact that, you know,

00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:02.740
<v Ivan>you had been protecting this damn spider for so long.

00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.120
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden somebody trying to be nice.

00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Sam>Now I will say, I will say a few days before the spider went away.

00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:17.700
<v Sam>We did find another creature in the car

00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Sam>that we did help outside there was

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.800
<v Sam>a snail there was a snail in the car yeah okay

00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:29.180
<v Sam>and and we're like the spider clearly was thriving in the car it was fine it

00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:32.940
<v Sam>was doing yeah but not the snail the snail was like the snail is just going

00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:38.820
<v Sam>to die if it stays here so we very carefully we looked up the proper instructions

00:27:38.820 --> 00:27:41.380
<v Sam>because like if you just yank a snail off somewhere,

00:27:41.620 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Sam>you can injure it through the process of trying to pull it off.

00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:49.380
<v Sam>So we properly looked up the instructions of how to get it to gently let go.

00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.520
<v Sam>And we got the snail to let go. And we took the snail and we put it out into

00:27:53.520 --> 00:27:57.520
<v Sam>the yard and blah, blah, blah, you know, in a place that hopefully it'll be fine.

00:27:58.320 --> 00:28:01.220
<v Sam>But yeah, so the snail was not allowed to live there.

00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:08.230
<v Sam>You know, the rats who have a couple of times destroyed the interior of the

00:28:08.230 --> 00:28:11.610
<v Sam>car and other electronics, they are not welcome.

00:28:12.270 --> 00:28:16.050
<v Sam>Now, I still like would prefer not to kill the little creature.

00:28:16.370 --> 00:28:21.670
<v Sam>But, you know, if you've done thousands of dollars of damage to my car,

00:28:21.890 --> 00:28:26.530
<v Sam>I have a little bit less sympathy for you than to the spider.

00:28:27.030 --> 00:28:30.750
<v Ivan>You know, I am also trying to be careful with snails. I will tell you that the

00:28:30.750 --> 00:28:34.890
<v Ivan>one thing that always like, oh, my God, just breaks my heart is that sometimes

00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:36.230
<v Ivan>we have a lot of snails around.

00:28:36.490 --> 00:28:38.730
<v Ivan>And look, if I see one walking around, I'll try to avoid it,

00:28:38.770 --> 00:28:40.030
<v Ivan>make sure I don't hurt it or whatever.

00:28:40.210 --> 00:28:40.330
<v Sam>Right.

00:28:40.550 --> 00:28:44.230
<v Ivan>But I will tell you the one that always like just that it's happened to me a

00:28:44.230 --> 00:28:49.490
<v Ivan>couple of times and always like that, that, that hits me stepping on a snail accidentally.

00:28:50.030 --> 00:28:50.390
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:28:50.670 --> 00:28:55.930
<v Ivan>Ah, fuck. A couple of, you know, they're just, you know, not doing anything

00:28:55.930 --> 00:28:58.650
<v Ivan>bad. And all of a sudden I just walked along. I didn't see it.

00:28:59.290 --> 00:29:02.110
<v Sam>A couple of years ago a couple of years

00:29:02.110 --> 00:29:05.310
<v Sam>ago we were out with my wife and

00:29:05.310 --> 00:29:09.530
<v Sam>the person she hired as a campaign manager this was several campaigns ago and

00:29:09.530 --> 00:29:13.650
<v Sam>we were putting up signs and blah blah and we were putting up one like big sign

00:29:13.650 --> 00:29:18.250
<v Sam>that required like you know it wasn't just the little signs you stick in with

00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:22.730
<v Sam>wires like yeah big wood frame several feet across blah blah blah,

00:29:23.370 --> 00:29:28.970
<v Sam>and you know while we were doing this you know near where we were setting up the sign,

00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:35.610
<v Sam>my wife brandy notices a snail on the ground and she tells the campaign manager

00:29:35.610 --> 00:29:40.430
<v Sam>oh watch out watch out we're gonna we're you know whatever and then like not

00:29:40.430 --> 00:29:45.070
<v Sam>less than 15 seconds later he steps on it directly and crushes it yeah and it's

00:29:45.070 --> 00:29:49.530
<v Sam>like oh come on she just told you to watch out yeah but maybe she.

00:29:49.530 --> 00:29:52.370
<v Ivan>Didn't see or didn't see where I was. So you're like, sometimes you're like,

00:29:52.570 --> 00:29:54.950
<v Ivan>I listen, I've had, she should watch out, watch out.

00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:57.810
<v Ivan>We're all of a sudden you're looking, you didn't see it. And then you move and you're like, ow.

00:29:58.650 --> 00:30:00.830
<v Ivan>Yeah. So yeah.

00:30:02.290 --> 00:30:05.070
<v Ivan>Yeah. Anyway. All right. So, okay. Okay.

00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:09.470
<v Sam>So shall we, shall we take a break? And then I don't know, maybe,

00:30:09.470 --> 00:30:14.130
<v Sam>maybe instead of like a you segment and me segment, we just keep alternating. I don't know, whatever.

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<v Sam>We'll figure it out. But next here, here comes our break.

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<v Sam>It's the ray lynch one here you go if it works let's try again click hold on

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<v Sam>hold on computer buffering i don't know what it's doing here we go let me try again,

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<v Sam>okay we are back yvonne so why don't you pick next let me guess you want to

00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:45.120
<v Sam>talk 100 all about donald trump's cabinet picks and how all that's gone and

00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:50.600
<v Sam>matt gates and no names matt right no no no this is not your pick no.

00:32:50.600 --> 00:32:53.700
<v Ivan>I'm gonna actually what i'm gonna talk about is more

00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:57.460
<v Ivan>specifically around the business the business reaction

00:32:57.460 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Ivan>to to the trump election like what i've noticed is there is quite a lot of enthusiasm

00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:12.780
<v Ivan>in the business community related to to the election there's been some ceos

00:33:12.780 --> 00:33:16.000
<v Ivan>that have been heard saying certain things and and and look.

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Sam>Well let me ask some of the appointments for example before you get deeper like

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:26.380
<v Sam>it seemed just looking at it like i don't pay as much attention to this stuff

00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:30.300
<v Sam>as you do But it kind of seemed to me like immediately after the election,

00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.820
<v Sam>like the stock market had a big pop.

00:33:33.040 --> 00:33:36.100
<v Sam>Everything was going up. It seemed like everybody was super excited about exactly

00:33:36.100 --> 00:33:36.840
<v Sam>what you're talking about.

00:33:37.040 --> 00:33:42.820
<v Sam>Like this means regulations are dead. We can go full steam ahead and nobody's

00:33:42.820 --> 00:33:44.400
<v Sam>going to bug us, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.620
<v Sam>And then that sort of started going in the opposite direction.

00:33:48.820 --> 00:33:53.520
<v Ivan>Well, listen, there's two things. what the markets are, how the markets are

00:33:53.520 --> 00:33:59.020
<v Ivan>moving, which is one reaction versus what executives think that they can do strategically. Okay.

00:33:59.160 --> 00:33:59.380
<v Sam>Okay.

00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:05.720
<v Ivan>Because one of the big concerns that came up when first the stock market did that massive move up,

00:34:05.860 --> 00:34:13.740
<v Ivan>the biggest issue that economists and investors have had with the Trump administration

00:34:13.740 --> 00:34:18.560
<v Ivan>is that almost every proposal that they have had on the table is inflationary.

00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:19.140
<v Sam>Right.

00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Ivan>And so one of the key drivers in terms of Fed policy to cut rates is,

00:34:27.700 --> 00:34:31.420
<v Ivan>hey, inflation is coming down, so we can cut rates.

00:34:31.940 --> 00:34:37.160
<v Ivan>But one of the key indicators for mortgage rates, well, the key indicator for

00:34:37.160 --> 00:34:39.500
<v Ivan>mortgage rates to be precise is a 10-year bond.

00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:47.340
<v Ivan>And yields on the 10-year bond as soon as the election was over have been going the wrong way.

00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.780
<v Ivan>Way in terms of rates coming down, which is why mortgage rates have,

00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:55.900
<v Ivan>even though with already a three quarter point cut by the Fed,

00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:57.820
<v Ivan>mortgage rates haven't budged.

00:34:58.340 --> 00:34:58.940
<v Sam>Okay.

00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:02.900
<v Ivan>They're not going down. And so lending costs are not going down.

00:35:04.040 --> 00:35:13.180
<v Ivan>And so the market, the money itself is telling you that for whatever the hell

00:35:13.180 --> 00:35:15.560
<v Ivan>Trump spoke about inflation and all this shit.

00:35:16.870 --> 00:35:23.130
<v Ivan>The analysis by, I would say, about 80% of the economists of anything that Trump

00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:30.390
<v Ivan>has talked about policy-wise tells you that none of that is actually very good for the economy.

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:36.790
<v Ivan>I mean, there isn't, I, the tariffs, not good for the economy.

00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:41.250
<v Ivan>The illegal immigrants thing, not so good for the economy.

00:35:42.110 --> 00:35:45.210
<v Ivan>But in specifically those two because

00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.910
<v Ivan>those two are his the ones that he has been

00:35:47.910 --> 00:35:51.110
<v Ivan>talking about the loudest right and and and

00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:54.990
<v Ivan>then the other issue tax cuts right look

00:35:54.990 --> 00:36:00.330
<v Ivan>the united states already has the lowest tax burden of any of the developed

00:36:00.330 --> 00:36:05.330
<v Ivan>nation okay and all these people are complaining about the budget deficits okay

00:36:05.330 --> 00:36:09.310
<v Ivan>which you know under biden once again have started to come down as they have

00:36:09.310 --> 00:36:14.070
<v Ivan>over Democrats during all the last administrations.

00:36:14.570 --> 00:36:18.130
<v Ivan>But look, if you do a whole bunch of tax cuts, you're going to drive up the

00:36:18.130 --> 00:36:22.270
<v Ivan>deficit, which by the way means usually they'll drive up interest rates.

00:36:22.750 --> 00:36:30.270
<v Ivan>And so you've got, you know, people are hearing the rhetoric,

00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:34.030
<v Ivan>but yet when you, everything that you're proposing is that way.

00:36:34.830 --> 00:36:38.590
<v Ivan>But that's not really helpful towards

00:36:38.590 --> 00:36:41.370
<v Ivan>the stated goals that that you have

00:36:41.370 --> 00:36:44.870
<v Ivan>set out and so but but here's

00:36:44.870 --> 00:36:49.350
<v Ivan>the for here's a flip side okay here's the other thing okay for example you

00:36:49.350 --> 00:36:53.590
<v Ivan>know for all this talk about man of the people you know certainly quite a lot

00:36:53.590 --> 00:36:59.830
<v Ivan>of picks that are definitely like all wall street billionaire types especially

00:36:59.830 --> 00:37:04.030
<v Ivan>the treasury guy who's a hedge fund manager that each is named.

00:37:04.350 --> 00:37:09.510
<v Ivan>So these picks are not, how do I say, consumer-friendly, okay?

00:37:10.070 --> 00:37:18.610
<v Ivan>Or, for example, the issue with, on another side, why businesses are salivating

00:37:18.610 --> 00:37:24.630
<v Ivan>in terms of, okay, great, now we've got a Department of Justice that is in our side.

00:37:24.630 --> 00:37:27.970
<v Ivan>And what does the other side mean? They won't block mergers.

00:37:29.930 --> 00:37:32.490
<v Ivan>They won't try to keep,

00:37:33.460 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Ivan>you know, certain regulatory actions in terms of companies.

00:37:38.220 --> 00:37:43.100
<v Ivan>So that will reduce that. But one

00:37:43.100 --> 00:37:49.520
<v Ivan>of the reasons why this administration and the Justice Department has been reviewing

00:37:49.520 --> 00:37:54.380
<v Ivan>businesses and business combinations and concentrations of certain power in

00:37:54.380 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Ivan>certain companies is because all of those are inflationary. It stifles competition.

00:37:59.060 --> 00:38:05.240
<v Ivan>And so therefore it winds up with, you know, the consumers wind up being the losers in the end.

00:38:05.560 --> 00:38:10.380
<v Ivan>Right. And so if you get a department that like right now, for example,

00:38:10.560 --> 00:38:16.040
<v Ivan>I know airline airlines were salivating at this because there have been several

00:38:16.040 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Ivan>alliances and mergers that had been blocked by the Justice Department of this administration. Okay.

00:38:26.560 --> 00:38:31.900
<v Ivan>American Airlines had tried to do a combination with JetBlue for an alliance that got blocked.

00:38:32.120 --> 00:38:36.120
<v Ivan>It was a merger between Spirit and JetBlue that got blocked.

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.460
<v Ivan>There's just been a number of those that have happened.

00:38:40.660 --> 00:38:45.580
<v Ivan>And so all of a sudden, airline executives are like, oh, wait, you know what? Yeah.

00:38:46.180 --> 00:38:49.300
<v Ivan>That's all going out the window. The hell with that shit.

00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:54.780
<v Ivan>Now we can do whatever the fuck we want, but that's going to wind up being leading to higher prices.

00:38:54.980 --> 00:38:59.200
<v Ivan>It's not, it's not going to, that's not cutting prices for anybody. Okay.

00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:03.220
<v Ivan>In any way. So that's, so, you know.

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.940
<v Sam>There's also an uncertainty factor. Like one of the things that people were

00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:09.640
<v Sam>talking about after the election in the stock market and such was,

00:39:10.020 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Sam>you know, you can expect to pop almost no matter what the result is because

00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:14.900
<v Sam>you're replacing uncertain.

00:39:14.900 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Ivan>Replacing uncertainty, correct.

00:39:16.740 --> 00:39:17.120
<v Sam>However,

00:39:19.540 --> 00:39:23.360
<v Sam>with Donald Trump, there's still lots of uncertainty because he's just a chaos agent, right?

00:39:23.600 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Sam>Like even you mentioned the tariffs, right? There's still lots of debate here.

00:39:27.380 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Sam>I'm like, okay, well, but what is he actually going to do?

00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:36.740
<v Sam>Like, because yes, he's saying all these crazy things with huge numbers about

00:39:36.740 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Sam>tariffs on absolutely everybody in the world.

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Sam>But is he actually just going to do it? Or is it a negotiating gambit where

00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.060
<v Sam>he's going to try to use the threat of that as leverage in some way?

00:39:50.060 --> 00:39:52.600
<v Sam>And then he's not actually going to do it.

00:39:52.680 --> 00:39:57.040
<v Sam>He's going to extract concessions out of person A or B or C in exchange.

00:39:57.040 --> 00:39:59.600
<v Sam>And so we have no idea what's really going to happen.

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Sam>And or, you know, he's going to want to do this.

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.780
<v Sam>And people who actually know what the hell is going on about the economy are

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Sam>going to be like, no, don't do that. And some people still think he'll listen to that kind of thing.

00:40:12.520 --> 00:40:16.740
<v Sam>Although I think there's lots of evidence that he won't, but you know,

00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:20.700
<v Sam>because, because as we said, like his, his whole thing is like,

00:40:21.120 --> 00:40:27.580
<v Sam>he was frustrated by the first term in terms of people telling him no,

00:40:27.580 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Sam>and he doesn't want that this time.

00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:39.420
<v Ivan>Well, one thing about that is that I don't know what he, well,

00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.940
<v Ivan>we still don't exactly know yet what the hell he'll do. I'll say one thing, though.

00:40:43.100 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Ivan>Look, the main driver for Trump, what is it?

00:40:47.070 --> 00:40:52.070
<v Sam>Number one. Number one has to be whatever benefits himself personally.

00:40:52.590 --> 00:40:59.010
<v Ivan>Correct. That's right. So one thing that we've established that because of our

00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:04.870
<v Ivan>new how we are right now, in terms of presidential immunity,

00:41:05.330 --> 00:41:09.830
<v Ivan>no giving giving a shit about emoluments, money, whatever.

00:41:09.830 --> 00:41:15.770
<v Ivan>You got a sitting president that has a publicly traded company out there that

00:41:15.770 --> 00:41:19.450
<v Ivan>people could just inflate the value of that fucking company in order to basically

00:41:19.450 --> 00:41:22.530
<v Ivan>make them richer at their whim.

00:41:23.010 --> 00:41:28.990
<v Ivan>So right now, there is an entire gaggle.

00:41:28.990 --> 00:41:33.110
<v Sam>Just along those lines specifically, one person was commenting,

00:41:33.370 --> 00:41:38.230
<v Sam>when you're looking at the whole tariff thing, don't look at the headline of

00:41:38.230 --> 00:41:40.870
<v Sam>the tariff. Look at what the exceptions are.

00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:41.650
<v Ivan>Correct.

00:41:41.690 --> 00:41:44.010
<v Sam>Because that's where the gifts are being given up.

00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:48.910
<v Ivan>Ah, ah, because right now, for example, there is an entire,

00:41:49.250 --> 00:41:57.570
<v Ivan>entire gaggle of people lining up right now and meeting with him to just go

00:41:57.570 --> 00:42:01.070
<v Ivan>and like get their damn exemptions. OK, all right.

00:42:01.490 --> 00:42:06.690
<v Ivan>Oh, but, you know, wait, you know, everybody is lining up to influence him.

00:42:06.690 --> 00:42:13.250
<v Ivan>And right now, one thing that we know, the spigots are open to basically pay

00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:15.430
<v Ivan>off this man in any way possible.

00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:16.090
<v Sam>Right.

00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:25.790
<v Ivan>There is no fucking, this is the first president that we are ever really getting in history.

00:42:26.570 --> 00:42:28.850
<v Ivan>That can be bought openly.

00:42:29.730 --> 00:42:34.810
<v Sam>I mean, just as a simple example to make it concrete, you know,

00:42:34.890 --> 00:42:40.270
<v Sam>you could be like, hey, so you don't want the price of iPhones to double overnight?

00:42:40.750 --> 00:42:42.970
<v Sam>What are you going to give me? Right.

00:42:43.710 --> 00:42:47.750
<v Sam>Right. And, you know, you got to see if you're like Tim Cook or something,

00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:51.190
<v Sam>you have to, like, have that conversation.

00:42:52.490 --> 00:42:54.510
<v Sam>It's not an option to ignore it.

00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:56.830
<v Ivan>That's right. so.

00:42:56.830 --> 00:43:00.530
<v Sam>It's like what what is the trade-off that.

00:43:00.530 --> 00:43:03.550
<v Ivan>Who's gonna impeach him who's gonna prosecute him

00:43:03.550 --> 00:43:08.830
<v Ivan>who's gonna go after him yeah nobody's gonna do a damn thing he can go right

00:43:08.830 --> 00:43:17.490
<v Ivan>now openly and ask for as much fucking money to do anything that he wants and

00:43:17.490 --> 00:43:21.870
<v Ivan>there is absolutely no stopping him in any way, shape, or form.

00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:29.430
<v Sam>Right. That's the bottom line. And as you said, there's so many sort of open venues.

00:43:29.770 --> 00:43:33.350
<v Sam>You can buy goddamn truth social stock.

00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:39.910
<v Sam>Right now during this transition period, the Trump transition has completely

00:43:39.910 --> 00:43:46.230
<v Sam>refused to sign any of the documents about transparency in the transition process.

00:43:46.550 --> 00:43:52.870
<v Sam>And so there's all kinds of things you can donate to to help with the inauguration

00:43:52.870 --> 00:43:57.930
<v Sam>or whatever that are completely unmonitored, unregulated, whatever.

00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:01.930
<v Sam>And because he's not cooperating with any of that stuff and who's going to make him?

00:44:02.430 --> 00:44:02.890
<v Ivan>Nobody.

00:44:03.650 --> 00:44:08.790
<v Sam>And, and, and like he had to sell the damn hotel, but there's plenty of other venues.

00:44:10.370 --> 00:44:14.930
<v Ivan>Well, he had to sell. Sam, Sam, he made a killing.

00:44:15.150 --> 00:44:18.270
<v Sam>Oh, I know. I know. I know. Cause it was bought for way more than it was.

00:44:18.370 --> 00:44:23.810
<v Ivan>I mean, the hotel was already shortly after the guys that bought it were in trouble financially.

00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:24.470
<v Sam>Okay.

00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:26.810
<v Ivan>With a fucking hotel. I mean, he completely.

00:44:26.810 --> 00:44:28.210
<v Sam>We're talking about the Washington DC.

00:44:28.390 --> 00:44:36.150
<v Ivan>Yeah. Exactly. I mean, he made a killing in that hotel is crazy. It was so overpaid.

00:44:36.910 --> 00:44:38.770
<v Ivan>It's like that house that some

00:44:38.770 --> 00:44:42.950
<v Ivan>Russian bought overpaid in Palm Beach that they bought for 20 million.

00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:45.150
<v Ivan>They gave him a hundred million dollars for.

00:44:45.670 --> 00:44:46.130
<v Sam>Yes.

00:44:46.230 --> 00:44:52.810
<v Ivan>I mean, all you got to do is say, oh, oh, there's a resort up in Scotland.

00:44:53.310 --> 00:44:56.890
<v Ivan>Oh, so, oh, we'll give you two billion dollars for it.

00:44:56.890 --> 00:45:03.450
<v Sam>Or even absent that, I mean, you know, he can, he can ramp up the prices for

00:45:03.450 --> 00:45:06.070
<v Sam>just people to stay there and they can book rooms.

00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:08.290
<v Ivan>Well, that's what they were doing at the hotel.

00:45:08.510 --> 00:45:12.450
<v Sam>That's what they were doing at the hotel. And, you know, and in his last presidency,

00:45:12.450 --> 00:45:15.630
<v Sam>like doubled or tripled the price of a membership at Mar-a-Lago.

00:45:15.870 --> 00:45:17.090
<v Sam>You're sure he's going to do that again.

00:45:17.270 --> 00:45:21.830
<v Ivan>Oh yeah, totally. And, uh, and, and, and at the hotel, listen,

00:45:21.950 --> 00:45:27.930
<v Ivan>there was, listen, There was certain countries had been blocking and buying

00:45:27.930 --> 00:45:31.070
<v Ivan>blocks of rooms that remained empty.

00:45:31.270 --> 00:45:31.690
<v Sam>Yes.

00:45:32.310 --> 00:45:36.130
<v Ivan>Just, you know, oh, we'll take a couple of floors.

00:45:36.710 --> 00:45:42.910
<v Sam>Yes. And this is one of those things, one of many things that once the Biden

00:45:42.910 --> 00:45:45.930
<v Sam>administration came in, they decided not to pursue aggressively.

00:45:46.450 --> 00:45:49.450
<v Sam>Where, you know, but oh, well, water under the bridge.

00:45:51.610 --> 00:45:56.910
<v Ivan>You know so now one thing also there is in terms of,

00:45:57.570 --> 00:45:59.470
<v Ivan>Policy predictability, right?

00:45:59.590 --> 00:45:59.750
<v Sam>Yes.

00:46:00.390 --> 00:46:05.130
<v Ivan>The problem with this is also that this makes whatever the fuck policy is going

00:46:05.130 --> 00:46:06.550
<v Ivan>to do also very unpredictable.

00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:11.670
<v Ivan>Because, hey, if somebody offers you a billion dollars to do this,

00:46:11.810 --> 00:46:14.670
<v Ivan>but then the other guy offers you three billion to do the other thing,

00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:19.350
<v Ivan>then all of a sudden you'll wind up flip-flopping in two seconds and fuck the other guy.

00:46:20.790 --> 00:46:25.290
<v Sam>An actual example from the last couple of years. Well, two actual examples, actually.

00:46:25.290 --> 00:46:30.810
<v Sam>Now he wasn't president, but he was running for president and he did one eighties

00:46:30.810 --> 00:46:39.510
<v Sam>on his position of a tick tock ban and B crypto both directly in response to

00:46:39.510 --> 00:46:40.870
<v Sam>money flowing into his campaign.

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:42.730
<v Ivan>Exactly. Absolutely.

00:46:43.230 --> 00:46:47.190
<v Sam>And like 180 degree change in his position on both of those.

00:46:47.330 --> 00:46:53.010
<v Sam>So it's not even subtle. It's not a slight adjustment. It's a, you know, this is bad.

00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:56.030
<v Sam>Like in TikTok, he was like all four banning TikTok.

00:46:57.030 --> 00:47:00.710
<v Sam>Suddenly a major investor in TikTok was donating to campaign.

00:47:01.010 --> 00:47:02.890
<v Sam>Oh no, let's leave TikTok alone.

00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:04.730
<v Ivan>TikTok is great. Oh no, no, no, great.

00:47:05.410 --> 00:47:09.370
<v Sam>And same thing with crypto. He was on the record talking about how crypto was

00:47:09.370 --> 00:47:12.130
<v Sam>a scam and it should be regulated and blah, blah, blah.

00:47:12.390 --> 00:47:17.030
<v Sam>The crypto bros came in and full fledged support, including Elon Musk.

00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:19.630
<v Sam>And now he's all about crypto. He's starting his own damn crypto.

00:47:20.310 --> 00:47:26.130
<v Sam>You know, his family is. So yeah. So I think that is part of the unpredictability

00:47:26.130 --> 00:47:28.010
<v Sam>as well, for sure. It's like, yeah.

00:47:28.310 --> 00:47:34.570
<v Sam>And the other way of putting it and is that even when like most of it is,

00:47:34.770 --> 00:47:37.470
<v Sam>you know, when people talk about him being transactional,

00:47:37.790 --> 00:47:43.550
<v Sam>a lot of it is certainly like the personally transactional, like do it, do something for me.

00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:50.550
<v Sam>But even when it's not, it's still transactional in terms of like he doesn't

00:47:50.550 --> 00:47:53.290
<v Sam>care from some sort of ideological position.

00:47:53.510 --> 00:47:57.690
<v Sam>So like even when he's talking about things like how NATO sucks or whatever

00:47:57.690 --> 00:48:01.410
<v Sam>if all the European countries in NATO want to just.

00:48:01.820 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Ivan>Pay some more.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.740
<v Sam>Buy him off he would suddenly be happy with nato.

00:48:06.740 --> 00:48:09.260
<v Ivan>Nato's great you know it's awesome.

00:48:10.160 --> 00:48:12.240
<v Sam>It's just 100 like.

00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Ivan>Get the european get the you get the defense companies you know all of them

00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.780
<v Ivan>you know that that would be like that that would be i would say you know defense

00:48:20.780 --> 00:48:25.420
<v Ivan>companies have not had problems in the past that bribing like officials okay

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:30.240
<v Ivan>let's be clear all right not Not exactly, not exactly off their game.

00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:34.920
<v Ivan>So what the hell, man? I mean, come on, you know, the biggest payday.

00:48:35.300 --> 00:48:38.520
<v Sam>Yeah, this is also something he was known for last time around in term and with

00:48:38.520 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Sam>varying levels of success. But he kept wanting to, for instance,

00:48:42.540 --> 00:48:46.520
<v Sam>for making deals like he didn't want to deal with the EU.

00:48:46.720 --> 00:48:48.720
<v Sam>He wanted to deal with each of the countries individually.

00:48:49.100 --> 00:48:52.860
<v Sam>And he kept trying to push them in that direction. And for the most part,

00:48:53.080 --> 00:48:56.980
<v Sam>they sort of stuck together and said, no, no, we're negotiating as a bloc.

00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:03.460
<v Sam>But that's clearly his direction. He wants everything as a one-on-one,

00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:08.100
<v Sam>person-to-person, let's make a deal. Let's make a handshake deal.

00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.280
<v Sam>You do this for me, I'll do that for you. There's no sort of thought of,

00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Sam>hey, there's this abstract long-term goal where we have a mutual benefit,

00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:20.740
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:27.220
<v Sam>He doesn't believe in that at all. it's all about like how how can we make a

00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:32.620
<v Sam>deal that i get something out of you and he does not care about a mutually beneficial

00:49:32.620 --> 00:49:38.040
<v Sam>deal by the way he would much rather it be a deal where you get screwed but like so.

00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:42.680
<v Ivan>So my point is that this is why businesses are salivating at this administration

00:49:42.680 --> 00:49:46.940
<v Ivan>and they have been openly salivating about it because they pretty much figure

00:49:46.940 --> 00:49:50.940
<v Ivan>yeah whatever the fuck we want from this damn administration.

00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:54.780
<v Ivan>All we got to do, if we put up enough money, we'll get whatever the fuck we

00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Ivan>want. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 100%.

00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:07.660
<v Ivan>So, you know, and by the way, the thing about it is, how does that help the little guy, Sam?

00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:10.860
<v Ivan>Yeah, you got any idea? Do you think that helps the little guy?

00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Sam>Oh, no.

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Ivan>You think that helps them with the price of eggs?

00:50:16.100 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Sam>Yes, the price of eggs. Yeah, that'll be coming right down immediately.

00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.260
<v Sam>Not that it wasn't already down, by the way. But yeah, I'm sure it'll fix that problem immediately.

00:50:26.620 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just, you know, it's just one of these things

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:40.120
<v Ivan>where you get this guy who is showing up in his, has his jet with his name on it,

00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Ivan>with golden toilets and shit, and telling,

00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:50.300
<v Ivan>and he convinces the average Joe that he is there for the little guy.

00:50:51.120 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Ivan>And I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, I don't know.

00:50:56.120 --> 00:51:03.100
<v Ivan>I mean, but, but there is there, I see, I was thinking about this today in terms

00:51:03.100 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Ivan>of like the people that Trump admires. Right.

00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:12.740
<v Ivan>And I remember remembering like when my, when I went to Moscow a few years back

00:51:12.740 --> 00:51:15.020
<v Ivan>and I realized that, you know,

00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:18.360
<v Ivan>that this is one of the guys that he admires the most, which is,

00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:23.500
<v Ivan>which is Putin and how, how that works there. Right.

00:51:24.020 --> 00:51:30.240
<v Ivan>Which for whatever reason, look, Putin does have a lot of support with the people.

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:37.160
<v Ivan>It's not just that he isn't just there where 80% of the people hate him and

00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:38.980
<v Ivan>he's just there by force.

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:42.700
<v Ivan>I mean even though he has crushed all the opposition

00:51:42.700 --> 00:51:45.740
<v Ivan>okay the reality is that he does have

00:51:45.740 --> 00:51:49.060
<v Ivan>a lot of support a lot of people there see that after

00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:52.020
<v Ivan>the collapse of the soviet union and the country

00:51:52.020 --> 00:51:57.100
<v Ivan>was a disaster and a mess hyperinflation blah blah blah he's brought stability

00:51:57.100 --> 00:52:04.200
<v Ivan>okay all right and he's brought russia back to be you know a proud country respected

00:52:04.200 --> 00:52:11.160
<v Ivan>that whatever all this bullshit okay honor ah yes and and you know i i still remember because.

00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Ivan>Vladimir the way that he's run the country is that he has these business favorites

00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Ivan>that sometimes you know when they fall out of favor with them he'll fucking

00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.340
<v Ivan>throw them in jail and you know whatever but he he is the one that really picks

00:52:23.340 --> 00:52:27.600
<v Ivan>the winners and losers in the economy and who you know all these people that

00:52:27.600 --> 00:52:32.740
<v Ivan>have money and one of the things that that that struck me about Moscow was,

00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:42.020
<v Ivan>I mean, the wealth displayed was, you know, it was very prominent.

00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.300
<v Ivan>It was a very, very...

00:52:46.740 --> 00:52:55.660
<v Ivan>You saw wealth being flaunted in a very open way.

00:52:56.540 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Ivan>And I think that the funny thing is that they're in Moscow now,

00:53:01.020 --> 00:53:03.940
<v Ivan>but you go into the smaller villages and other places, whatever,

00:53:04.100 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Ivan>that are in Russia, many of them are struggling and they can't afford even the basics, okay?

00:53:09.500 --> 00:53:09.760
<v Sam>Right.

00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:15.600
<v Ivan>But for whatever reason, I think that the people in those small towns see Moscow

00:53:15.600 --> 00:53:19.780
<v Ivan>and see it wealthy. And it's like, oh, look, you see how we are big and proud of whatever.

00:53:20.060 --> 00:53:23.340
<v Ivan>And I sometimes wind up thinking that a whole bunch of people that are voting

00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.040
<v Ivan>for Trump, they kind of think the same thing.

00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:29.060
<v Ivan>They see the wealthy guy and whatever.

00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Ivan>And he comes into, you know, kind of bumfuck whatever town that he goes to.

00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:39.340
<v Ivan>And these people look at him as like, look, these America, that's the America

00:53:39.340 --> 00:53:41.720
<v Ivan>I want. It's like, that's who I want to be.

00:53:41.900 --> 00:53:45.080
<v Ivan>And so it's, you know, because they want to be like him.

00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Sam>Right.

00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:51.820
<v Ivan>They literally want to be like him. And, you know, it's like why Berlusconi

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:55.300
<v Ivan>stayed in power in Italy for so many years.

00:53:56.220 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Ivan>This guy, you know, it's, he follows, he wants, that's what he wants.

00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:11.260
<v Ivan>He wants and he's gotten a lot of adulation by a whole bunch of people that are living shit life.

00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.820
<v Ivan>And they think for some reason that voting for him is going to rub off on them in some fucking way.

00:54:16.560 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Ivan>I don't understand why, but, you know, but that that's just seems to be what it is.

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Ivan>So anyway, so bottom line, businesses are flat out super excited about this administration.

00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:42.520
<v Ivan>And everybody is getting their trucks of money ready to go in order to pay them off.

00:54:43.550 --> 00:54:46.290
<v Sam>Okay, before we take a break and move on to something from me,

00:54:46.390 --> 00:54:47.450
<v Sam>just one last question on this.

00:54:47.930 --> 00:54:53.390
<v Sam>Given you've got all of these, you know, big wigs and major companies and stuff,

00:54:53.730 --> 00:54:58.530
<v Sam>like, trying to figure out the right angle to make all kinds of money off this,

00:54:58.710 --> 00:55:02.570
<v Sam>what's the right angle as a fairly small, like, person here?

00:55:03.050 --> 00:55:08.190
<v Sam>If you just pour lots of money into SPY and did the S&P 500 index or something,

00:55:08.650 --> 00:55:15.750
<v Sam>are we going to see all the big companies make money and the stock market go crazy? What's the deal?

00:55:16.630 --> 00:55:18.270
<v Sam>Like, surely there must be some angle.

00:55:18.470 --> 00:55:24.610
<v Ivan>I am not sure yet what the angle is on this right now. And one of the...

00:55:25.290 --> 00:55:27.890
<v Sam>Apparently, crypto has been doing really well the last couple of weeks.

00:55:28.330 --> 00:55:32.290
<v Ivan>Well, one thing is short term, short term trends, which, you know,

00:55:32.430 --> 00:55:34.950
<v Ivan>the stock market and other things have been going off short term.

00:55:35.110 --> 00:55:36.470
<v Ivan>I'm trying to think more over.

00:55:36.470 --> 00:55:39.010
<v Sam>What's what's the four or five year play.

00:55:39.750 --> 00:55:44.770
<v Ivan>Yeah. And I got to be honest, I think until the you see what the economic plan

00:55:44.770 --> 00:55:47.510
<v Ivan>is going to be and how they're going to do it, I just don't know.

00:55:47.690 --> 00:55:50.370
<v Ivan>I think the one thing like like you mentioned, it's very unpredictable and it

00:55:50.370 --> 00:55:52.690
<v Ivan>really depends who gets into his pocket or not.

00:55:52.970 --> 00:55:57.270
<v Ivan>Here's a here's an example of something. All right. I know he he has been barking.

00:55:57.270 --> 00:56:01.730
<v Ivan>And talking about and even Elon Musk has been saying, oh, let's get rid of the

00:56:01.730 --> 00:56:04.650
<v Ivan>incentives for energy. Let's get rid of the seventy five hundred.

00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:07.570
<v Sam>Listen, for EV cars.

00:56:07.930 --> 00:56:11.510
<v Ivan>Yeah, for EV cars. I know that Elon says that, but I guarantee you that the

00:56:11.510 --> 00:56:15.350
<v Ivan>moment he finishes that if he listens to a CFO, a Tesla, he's got to be saying,

00:56:15.430 --> 00:56:16.810
<v Ivan>are you out of your fucking mind?

00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:23.450
<v Ivan>More than half our profits come from that fucking damn incentive.

00:56:23.450 --> 00:56:24.870
<v Ivan>What the fuck are you doing?

00:56:25.830 --> 00:56:31.170
<v Ivan>Why are you saying this? And by the way, I don't put it past Elon to be saying

00:56:31.170 --> 00:56:34.150
<v Ivan>that publicly just to get like publicity and then go and turn around.

00:56:35.330 --> 00:56:39.710
<v Ivan>Oh, no. But now we're because the only eligible car makers are Tesla.

00:56:40.130 --> 00:56:41.130
<v Ivan>You know what I'm saying?

00:56:41.450 --> 00:56:42.670
<v Sam>He'll work the exemption.

00:56:43.530 --> 00:56:52.450
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so come on, I'm like, man, I don't know, no,

00:56:53.230 --> 00:56:56.790
<v Ivan>you know, I see the populist thing that he's saying, but I don't see anybody

00:56:56.790 --> 00:57:01.250
<v Ivan>in their right mind that would go and sacrifice more than 50% of their profits

00:57:01.250 --> 00:57:07.530
<v Ivan>and boost competitiveness of his competitors overseas for,

00:57:07.530 --> 00:57:11.130
<v Ivan>for any good logical reason that I can think of.

00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:12.120
<v Sam>Right.

00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:21.500
<v Ivan>I don't. I mean, it's I mean, now now Elon has done incredibly dumb shit that loses money already.

00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.380
<v Ivan>I mean, because this will forget about his net worth, like whatever the fuck it is right now.

00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.600
<v Ivan>The reality is that the profits at the companies that he has been running,

00:57:28.820 --> 00:57:33.240
<v Ivan>you know, the two the the two public, you know, the one that was Twitter.

00:57:33.720 --> 00:57:37.680
<v Ivan>Yeah, it is. Revenue is down 90 percent. He's well, that's OK.

00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Ivan>Yeah, but Tesla, Tesla, Tesla is, is growth has been obliterated. Okay.

00:57:44.140 --> 00:57:47.220
<v Ivan>They're losing market share and their growth has been obliterated. Okay.

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.680
<v Ivan>They're not growing and they don't seem to be able to figure out a way to grow right now. Okay.

00:57:53.180 --> 00:57:57.520
<v Ivan>And so, and by the way, SpaceX lives on fucking government money.

00:57:57.980 --> 00:58:01.100
<v Sam>Right. Well, look, look, here's, here's the thing on some of this.

00:58:01.200 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Sam>Like for instance, you, you, you mentioned the Twitter slash X one.

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:10.120
<v Sam>There's been lots of commentary at this point that hey it's clear at this point

00:58:10.120 --> 00:58:17.380
<v Sam>like he didn't expect like it to necessarily do great he just wanted a mouthpiece

00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Sam>and he wanted to have something that he could use to influence politics and

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.220
<v Sam>he got exactly what he wanted out of it i i will.

00:58:24.220 --> 00:58:27.800
<v Ivan>Say this i think he wanted the mouthpiece but i don't think he thought he was

00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.900
<v Ivan>gonna lose listen he tried to back out.

00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:31.260
<v Sam>Yes.

00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.700
<v Ivan>Don't tell me this shit. He tried to back out. He wound up backing into this

00:58:35.700 --> 00:58:39.220
<v Ivan>because he wound up having to fork over to $40 billion.

00:58:39.700 --> 00:58:43.540
<v Ivan>But let's be clear. He tried to back out.

00:58:44.040 --> 00:58:44.520
<v Sam>Right.

00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Ivan>Well, and like, tell me about the 4D chess bullshit, whatever,

00:58:48.580 --> 00:58:50.780
<v Ivan>because he desperately wanted to back out.

00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.260
<v Ivan>It was only because the court forced them to buy it that he wound up owning it.

00:58:55.360 --> 00:59:00.060
<v Sam>Right but i guess the question is like at this point does he care at this point

00:59:00.060 --> 00:59:01.480
<v Sam>it's like a rounding error.

00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.360
<v Ivan>At this point well at this point i mean he's written

00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:08.500
<v Ivan>i mean he's written it off i mean basically is everybody's written it off i

00:59:08.500 --> 00:59:12.520
<v Ivan>mean he's he's he's lost the money it cost him 40 billion dollars so he's getting

00:59:12.520 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Ivan>so now he's getting the worth of it from this but not yet but my point is it's

00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.020
<v Ivan>a business move i mean my point is it's a right you also.

00:59:22.020 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Sam>Mentioned spacex though i mean and this is why he's sucking up to donald trump too right like.

00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:30.720
<v Ivan>Right but but my point is that you can't i mean listen those government subsidies

00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:35.680
<v Ivan>are fucking critical for the profitability of his company yeah.

00:59:35.680 --> 00:59:41.740
<v Sam>Yeah no but my point though is like he's he's got this doge thing that has been

00:59:41.740 --> 00:59:45.340
<v Sam>set up for him to recommend government cuts he's not going to recommend cutting

00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:48.760
<v Sam>spacex he's going to recommend cutting blue.

00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:58.160
<v Ivan>Origin keep spacex well but sam But he's been openly saying to completely kill the EV credit.

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:04.140
<v Ivan>I mean, which I know the company that that worst gets hurt by that is Tesla.

01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:07.720
<v Sam>Yeah, but but but because you're OK.

01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:11.840
<v Ivan>So because think about this, right? You want to talk about stupid strategy, right?

01:00:12.460 --> 01:00:16.420
<v Ivan>OK. All right. So Donald says, well, fuck it.

01:00:16.520 --> 01:00:21.140
<v Ivan>Drill, drill, drill, baby oil burning car, you know, gas gas burning cars or whatever.

01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:29.320
<v Ivan>Does Tesla have any gasoline cars no right who has the fucking gasoline cars,

01:00:30.240 --> 01:00:33.580
<v Ivan>GM for all his fucking competitors okay

01:00:33.580 --> 01:00:40.520
<v Ivan>so go you know he thinks well I'm gonna hurt them no you're not if you get rid

01:00:40.520 --> 01:00:44.780
<v Ivan>of the regulations and you do that fuck you're bailing them out from starting

01:00:44.780 --> 01:00:48.040
<v Ivan>to build the fucking EVs that have been losing money say oh fuck that I'll just

01:00:48.040 --> 01:00:51.220
<v Ivan>build more you know built more gas-closing cars and fuck you!

01:00:52.200 --> 01:00:58.680
<v Ivan>I mean, that is one of the things that I am just like.

01:00:58.820 --> 01:01:09.020
<v Sam>I mean, literally like one possibility here is he's like, I'm rich enough.

01:01:09.020 --> 01:01:10.340
<v Sam>I don't give a fuck anymore.

01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:15.080
<v Sam>I'm going to do what I like. I really don't believe in government subsidies.

01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.500
<v Sam>I'm going to want to say kill all of them, even if it hurts my bottom line.

01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Ivan>Here's the problem with this, right? Okay. Tesla's valuation is hyperinflated, okay?

01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:33.860
<v Ivan>So if you collapse the profits, there's no way it can stay up there.

01:01:34.040 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Ivan>I mean, you're doing everything actively to try to see how much does it take

01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:44.060
<v Ivan>to finally fucking pop that bubble, okay?

01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.760
<v Ivan>And here's the other thing, okay, that's also important.

01:01:48.660 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Ivan>At some point right elon must right

01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.300
<v Ivan>now getting so rich right now with how the stocks have moved whatever

01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:57.180
<v Ivan>because of how close he's to trump how long

01:01:57.180 --> 01:02:01.020
<v Ivan>is it until donald trump says well why the why the fuck am i making this guy

01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:04.220
<v Ivan>rich this should be my money but yeah because remember what he did with the

01:02:04.220 --> 01:02:09.140
<v Ivan>people at uh at at whatchamacallit the truth social he basically tried to screw

01:02:09.140 --> 01:02:11.700
<v Ivan>them all you know he's like fuck you you guys don't deserve any of this money

01:02:11.700 --> 01:02:14.300
<v Ivan>it's mine how long does it take for him to say that.

01:02:14.740 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Sam>Well, and also, yes, absolutely.

01:02:17.660 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Ivan>I made you that money. That's not you.

01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:23.820
<v Sam>No, absolutely about the money, but also about the attention.

01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:29.520
<v Sam>If you remember, there have been multiple situations over the years where somebody

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:34.020
<v Sam>who works for Donald Trump has started getting all the attention for whatever

01:02:34.020 --> 01:02:36.720
<v Sam>reason, and they get the knife in the back immediately.

01:02:37.020 --> 01:02:37.540
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:43.080
<v Sam>Because you're distracting. And already, Trump was at Mar-a-Lago joking about

01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:48.620
<v Sam>how he couldn't get rid of elon and you know he's just he's like he's following

01:02:48.620 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Sam>me everywhere and he won't leave so okay break all.

01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:56.620
<v Ivan>Right yep break.

01:02:56.620 --> 01:02:59.520
<v Sam>Okay and when we come back i don't

01:02:59.520 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Sam>know i'll figure out something to talk about back after you see i had.

01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:05.800
<v Ivan>Something to talk about.

01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:10.160
<v Sam>Oh yeah you did so like yeah we'll do a normal like you you your your segment

01:03:10.160 --> 01:03:16.120
<v Sam>and then my segment and then we'll be out so here we go blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Ivan>Blah blah blah blah.

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:23.840
<v Sam>Except i once again have to stop and start this thing hold on brip brip brip.

01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Sam>Okay, we're back. And since I teased it a little bit in a beginning segment,

01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.560
<v Sam>and we almost started to talk about it, but didn't quite, I think I'll do the

01:04:22.560 --> 01:04:24.180
<v Sam>disconnecting from news thing.

01:04:24.180 --> 01:04:28.180
<v Sam>Because I know on our Curmudgeon's Corner Slack,

01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:36.840
<v Sam>several people have talked about how they are so discouraged and stressed out

01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:43.580
<v Sam>or whatever that they are actively avoiding news that they used to pay attention

01:04:43.580 --> 01:04:45.660
<v Sam>to. And that includes you, I believe, Yvonne.

01:04:47.020 --> 01:04:52.320
<v Sam>And also, there have been reports about cable news channels,

01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:58.220
<v Sam>like ratings dropping in half since the election, you know, and now honestly,

01:04:58.240 --> 01:04:59.860
<v Sam>there's, there's a couple of different things there.

01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:04.020
<v Sam>One, it may be, there's a certain portion of it. I'm sure that's like people

01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:06.400
<v Sam>like, you know, I'm just burnt out.

01:05:06.540 --> 01:05:09.420
<v Sam>I don't want to talk about news right now, but also just to keep in mind that

01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:18.660
<v Sam>always happens after elections, elections are one of the big sources of ratings for the,

01:05:18.850 --> 01:05:24.470
<v Sam>News organizations in general, TV, print, print, who does print anymore?

01:05:24.650 --> 01:05:26.750
<v Sam>But like, there's still print.

01:05:26.970 --> 01:05:30.510
<v Sam>I know there's still some print, but like, you know, the traditional media,

01:05:30.630 --> 01:05:33.050
<v Sam>New York Times, Washington Post, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:33.330 --> 01:05:36.970
<v Sam>All of these things traditionally see a drop after elections,

01:05:36.970 --> 01:05:40.110
<v Sam>but maybe it's more than that this time.

01:05:40.270 --> 01:05:48.130
<v Sam>There seems to be a lot of people, especially on the left, who are just like,

01:05:48.270 --> 01:05:52.330
<v Sam>hey, you know, I really invested myself into this for the last few years.

01:05:52.770 --> 01:05:59.350
<v Sam>We lost, I can't, I don't want to pay attention to whatever nonsense Donald Trump is doing.

01:05:59.630 --> 01:06:04.590
<v Sam>I need to take care of me and my family and, and not think about this for a while.

01:06:04.950 --> 01:06:08.450
<v Sam>I'll tell you, I'm still, I'm an addict to this stuff.

01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:13.750
<v Sam>So I've still got like news feeds everywhere around me all the time.

01:06:13.970 --> 01:06:15.550
<v Sam>I'm checking that kind I'm not

01:06:15.550 --> 01:06:21.270
<v Sam>avoiding it. But even so, in run-up to the election, I had the four up,

01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:26.190
<v Sam>four news channels, live feed, almost always in the background,

01:06:26.430 --> 01:06:30.950
<v Sam>just to see, was there some new development I should pay attention to?

01:06:30.970 --> 01:06:33.410
<v Sam>I would have it muted or whatever, but it was always there.

01:06:33.570 --> 01:06:38.410
<v Sam>I haven't had that up since the election. I have all my other sources,

01:06:38.590 --> 01:06:41.610
<v Sam>but I've watched less live than I did before.

01:06:41.930 --> 01:06:47.890
<v Sam>I still have sort of, it's my default, my default rotations of podcasts I listen

01:06:47.890 --> 01:06:49.870
<v Sam>to are just, you know, news shows.

01:06:50.110 --> 01:06:57.550
<v Sam>But I definitely have heard a lot of people talking about that pullback.

01:06:57.550 --> 01:07:06.410
<v Ivan>Look, I will say from me personally, and this started a few weeks before the election.

01:07:06.750 --> 01:07:11.630
<v Ivan>You know, I'm one that likes it.

01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:16.150
<v Ivan>Bloomberg in the mornings. I always watch it in the morning.

01:07:16.290 --> 01:07:17.370
<v Ivan>I've talked about this here.

01:07:17.810 --> 01:07:23.170
<v Ivan>I have not watched them in about a month.

01:07:23.950 --> 01:07:24.030
<v Sam>Wow.

01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.420
<v Ivan>And I've tried a couple of times and I can't do it. The problem is that every

01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:32.740
<v Ivan>time they talk about Trump, it's very triggering.

01:07:33.660 --> 01:07:36.680
<v Ivan>And I realize that I start getting really pissed off.

01:07:37.240 --> 01:07:40.680
<v Ivan>And I just don't want to, I'm like, okay, I don't want to fucking listen to this.

01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.800
<v Ivan>I don't want to, I don't want to listen. The other day I tried to watch again

01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:48.680
<v Ivan>and, and I was like, it was because Nvidia had talked to, you know, come out with earnings.

01:07:48.700 --> 01:07:51.900
<v Ivan>I was hoping, well, let me don't talk about earnings, but then they had some

01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:58.020
<v Ivan>guy from the fucking previous Trump administration on talking about what they

01:07:58.020 --> 01:08:02.060
<v Ivan>did when they came to office in 2016.

01:08:02.560 --> 01:08:07.780
<v Ivan>And the thing is that, as usual with these people, they twist everything and lie about everything.

01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:13.280
<v Ivan>And I'm like, he was talking about, well, we came in in 2016 because we had to fix the economy.

01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.200
<v Ivan>I mean, he started off with this shit, okay?

01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.880
<v Ivan>And how important it was for us to cut the taxes in order to alleviate the burden.

01:08:22.100 --> 01:08:30.260
<v Ivan>Again, this country has the lowest tax burden of any fucking developed nation.

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:31.580
<v Sam>Right.

01:08:32.040 --> 01:08:37.000
<v Ivan>I mean, every time these guys talk about sky-high taxes, I am like,

01:08:37.180 --> 01:08:40.120
<v Ivan>what the fuck are you talking about?

01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.460
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, it's another made-up straw man.

01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:50.600
<v Ivan>And so I hear this and I hear that, and I just, like I said, I can't watch this.

01:08:50.740 --> 01:08:54.520
<v Ivan>I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't watch. And the problem is that,

01:08:54.540 --> 01:08:58.320
<v Ivan>of course, they're bringing some of these people in from the Trump circle because

01:08:58.320 --> 01:09:01.780
<v Ivan>they're trying to understand what the fuck he's going to be doing, whatever.

01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.360
<v Ivan>And I'm like, you know what? I don't fucking care.

01:09:05.540 --> 01:09:11.220
<v Ivan>And why do I not fucking care? Because it's all going to be chaos. It's all bullshit.

01:09:12.100 --> 01:09:14.600
<v Ivan>All of these people are going to be speculating one thing or another.

01:09:14.740 --> 01:09:17.180
<v Ivan>We just talked about it earlier. It's transactional.

01:09:17.280 --> 01:09:21.400
<v Ivan>It's going to be whatever the fuck, you know, he thinks is going to be gainful

01:09:21.400 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Ivan>at that moment. He has no convictions.

01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:30.400
<v Ivan>You know, other than, hey, let me burnish my image. Let me make myself money.

01:09:30.540 --> 01:09:32.860
<v Ivan>Those are the only fucking convictions. Let me be a crook.

01:09:33.100 --> 01:09:35.940
<v Ivan>And let me do it the crooked way, not the right way. I just want to do it like

01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:38.200
<v Ivan>in some transactional way where I'm like, you know.

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.880
<v Ivan>And the transactional part is important for him because it's like,

01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.540
<v Ivan>I win, you lose. Because he thinks that every transaction he's going to get.

01:09:46.860 --> 01:09:50.040
<v Ivan>That's the thing. I beat you on the transaction.

01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:54.520
<v Sam>Right. Like I said in the last segment, he's not looking for a win-win.

01:09:55.120 --> 01:09:58.220
<v Ivan>No, that doesn't exist. In his world, it's a zero-sum game.

01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:05.520
<v Sam>Right. And in terms of like a media drop-off, you also have like the whole,

01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:11.600
<v Sam>there was a Morning Joe fluffle because Joe and Mika from Morning Joe on MSNBC.

01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.280
<v Ivan>By the way, same reason why they went down there is because, you know what?

01:10:15.380 --> 01:10:19.200
<v Ivan>And I actually understand why because I'm like, well, if we're going to be finding

01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:22.160
<v Ivan>out what the fuck is going on, we got to be talking to these people.

01:10:22.320 --> 01:10:25.000
<v Ivan>We can't act like they don't exist. He's going to be the fucking president.

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:30.500
<v Sam>Right. The whole thing there was people are really upset that like they've spent

01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:34.220
<v Sam>the last four years, actually more than four years, practically since the moment

01:10:34.220 --> 01:10:40.040
<v Sam>he was elected eight years ago, talking about how bad Donald Trump is.

01:10:40.220 --> 01:10:45.280
<v Sam>Now, people in part gave them some credit for getting him elected in the first place.

01:10:45.400 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Sam>But and then they sort of are like, well, he won. We're going to go talk to him.

01:10:51.120 --> 01:10:54.500
<v Sam>You know, we're going to do this. Some people have talked about that they may

01:10:54.500 --> 01:10:57.820
<v Sam>have been like afraid to some degree of not doing that.

01:10:58.220 --> 01:11:00.560
<v Ivan>And I understand that, too.

01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:04.140
<v Sam>And you're right. Like the whole media ecosystem.

01:11:05.150 --> 01:11:09.270
<v Sam>The reality is, and there are probably a few exceptions here and there,

01:11:09.490 --> 01:11:15.110
<v Sam>but like the whole commercial media ecosystem, at least,

01:11:15.390 --> 01:11:22.710
<v Sam>has a very heavy incentive to make sure you have connections to whoever is in power.

01:11:22.950 --> 01:11:24.850
<v Ivan>To know what the fuck is going on.

01:11:24.850 --> 01:11:32.590
<v Sam>Yeah, to know what is fucking on, to know what is going on, to have the inside

01:11:32.590 --> 01:11:36.910
<v Sam>sources and scoops so that you get the news story and not somebody else.

01:11:37.110 --> 01:11:37.430
<v Ivan>Right.

01:11:37.730 --> 01:11:41.610
<v Sam>You know, people complained all along about, what was it, Maggie Haberman at

01:11:41.610 --> 01:11:45.510
<v Sam>the New York Times and how she was like all cozy with Donald Trump.

01:11:45.810 --> 01:11:46.730
<v Sam>You know, you're going to.

01:11:46.730 --> 01:11:49.030
<v Ivan>Well, that's how she was able to report and all that shit.

01:11:49.370 --> 01:11:53.210
<v Sam>Right. And Woodward, for that matter, all of these folks.

01:11:53.210 --> 01:11:56.210
<v Sam>You know and and you're of course you're

01:11:56.210 --> 01:11:59.350
<v Sam>gonna see all the same stuff again and and people complain about

01:11:59.350 --> 01:12:03.290
<v Sam>normalization but at the same time for like

01:12:03.290 --> 01:12:07.970
<v Sam>maybe somebody like maybe non-profits like pro publica can get away with it

01:12:07.970 --> 01:12:13.570
<v Sam>but like all of your corporate owned media it's like no you you have to be like

01:12:13.570 --> 01:12:17.490
<v Sam>you have to take them seriously you have to like oh yes this is the secretary

01:12:17.490 --> 01:12:21.170
<v Sam>of the treasury let's talk about what they're doing but listen.

01:12:21.170 --> 01:12:25.410
<v Ivan>Even if you're npr If you're going to be reporting on Treasury policy and you're

01:12:25.410 --> 01:12:30.450
<v Ivan>not going to interview the Secretary of Treasury that Trump nominates,

01:12:30.570 --> 01:12:31.730
<v Ivan>how are you going to do your job?

01:12:32.010 --> 01:12:35.790
<v Sam>Well, NPR is a different story. They rely a lot on government funding as well.

01:12:36.230 --> 01:12:37.310
<v Ivan>Not a lot.

01:12:38.110 --> 01:12:39.950
<v Sam>Some, some, some. Yeah, they've got.

01:12:40.070 --> 01:12:45.110
<v Ivan>Yeah, a lot. It's a 3% of the budget. Not exactly really, you know.

01:12:45.530 --> 01:12:48.570
<v Sam>They're still not eager to get rid of that 3%, though, if you know what I mean.

01:12:48.870 --> 01:12:53.010
<v Ivan>Yeah, but still. I mean, but okay. Okay, but say whoever, okay?

01:12:53.130 --> 01:12:53.550
<v Sam>Yes, yeah.

01:12:53.630 --> 01:12:56.690
<v Ivan>Look, if you really want to report on what's going on and you're not going to

01:12:56.690 --> 01:12:59.990
<v Ivan>talk to any of them, even though they are going to be in charge,

01:13:00.150 --> 01:13:01.610
<v Ivan>I don't know how you do your job.

01:13:01.930 --> 01:13:06.470
<v Ivan>Now, the flip side, but the flip side is, do I really want to know what the

01:13:06.470 --> 01:13:09.610
<v Ivan>fuck is going on in my new detail right now? No.

01:13:09.790 --> 01:13:13.270
<v Ivan>What I'm doing is like right now, listen, it's not like I am totally disconnected.

01:13:13.310 --> 01:13:19.050
<v Ivan>I know what's going on, but I've just really limited how much I consume every day of it.

01:13:19.170 --> 01:13:19.350
<v Sam>Right.

01:13:19.470 --> 01:13:23.570
<v Ivan>Okay. So, yeah, I am reading it, and I know what the hell is going on.

01:13:24.390 --> 01:13:30.510
<v Ivan>I just shut off. You know, one thing, and this is something that I was pretty

01:13:30.510 --> 01:13:33.990
<v Ivan>good about in the past, and I must admit that I have been remiss.

01:13:34.470 --> 01:13:38.070
<v Ivan>And this reminded me of this, what happened with Trump.

01:13:38.690 --> 01:13:46.350
<v Ivan>I used to very much limit my notifications regularly of what the hell I got notified about.

01:13:46.890 --> 01:13:50.130
<v Ivan>And the thing is, with so many apps and so many things that I subscribe to,

01:13:50.270 --> 01:13:52.970
<v Ivan>that number of notifications about shit going on had multiplied.

01:13:52.970 --> 01:13:58.170
<v Ivan>And I was like, very, for years, very like, no, I don't want these notifications.

01:13:58.350 --> 01:13:59.290
<v Ivan>No, I don't want these notifications.

01:13:59.530 --> 01:14:02.370
<v Ivan>No, I don't want these notifications. When I go and sit down to check.

01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:07.600
<v Ivan>I'll check, but the number of notifications I got, it's not like I didn't get

01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:13.380
<v Ivan>any, but I significantly limited it, okay, in order to make sure that I wasn't

01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:15.220
<v Ivan>bombarded with shit all the time.

01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:20.040
<v Ivan>And I had let that get out of hand. And so what I did was I did not cut off

01:14:20.040 --> 01:14:22.540
<v Ivan>myself from completely from news, but I definitely.

01:14:22.540 --> 01:14:23.760
<v Sam>Limited- Turned off a lot of them.

01:14:24.420 --> 01:14:27.520
<v Ivan>Turned off a lot of notifications from a lot of stuff because I'm like,

01:14:27.580 --> 01:14:30.140
<v Ivan>look, I don't want to, I don't need to be notified about every fucking thing.

01:14:30.140 --> 01:14:32.840
<v Sam>You'll find out eventually. You don't need to know the second it happens.

01:14:33.540 --> 01:14:33.940
<v Ivan>Exactly.

01:14:34.420 --> 01:14:38.300
<v Sam>You know, like the important things will find you. You'll see them in a once a day scan.

01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:42.560
<v Sam>You don't have to be interrupted in real time to know that, you know,

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.540
<v Sam>Donald Trump's latest appointment to I could be irritated.

01:14:46.540 --> 01:14:49.900
<v Ivan>Like at one time, like at seven o'clock, you know, like later,

01:14:50.100 --> 01:14:53.380
<v Ivan>whatever, about all this stuff. instead of constantly being irritated all day

01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:55.280
<v Ivan>long about all this shit.

01:14:55.480 --> 01:14:58.420
<v Ivan>You know what I'm saying? That's it. That's all I'm trying to do.

01:14:58.580 --> 01:15:01.980
<v Ivan>I'm just not trying to be like, you know, because there is, you know,

01:15:02.060 --> 01:15:06.720
<v Ivan>people are like, oh, we're trying to normalize this. And I keep going back, look.

01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:12.460
<v Ivan>No, that's not what it is. The problem is that right now, I can have all the

01:15:12.460 --> 01:15:15.780
<v Ivan>outrage in the world that you want me to have right now. And what is it going

01:15:15.780 --> 01:15:17.280
<v Ivan>to do? Is it going to change anything?

01:15:18.120 --> 01:15:20.420
<v Ivan>Is it going to do one bit of a difference? As a matter of fact,

01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:23.800
<v Ivan>I think that there is an argument for the fact that in the past,

01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:26.260
<v Ivan>we did do all the protesting,

01:15:26.480 --> 01:15:30.140
<v Ivan>all the outrage that we want, and probably emboldened Trump to do more because

01:15:30.140 --> 01:15:35.480
<v Ivan>he got, it was kind of like, he fed off the attention.

01:15:36.200 --> 01:15:38.640
<v Sam>Yeah. All attention is good attention.

01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:42.380
<v Ivan>All attention is good attention. So if you, if you actually don't pay,

01:15:43.060 --> 01:15:46.700
<v Ivan>if you're not outraged about every fucking thing he does every day,

01:15:46.780 --> 01:15:50.120
<v Ivan>it probably motivates him not to do it. It probably either.

01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:54.600
<v Ivan>You might, you know, you're not feeding all, you're not feeding him that.

01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.360
<v Sam>Right you know and i've seen a

01:15:57.360 --> 01:16:00.480
<v Sam>lot of and i've seen a lot of people online with that kind of attitude too

01:16:00.480 --> 01:16:03.340
<v Sam>of like look yeah i i'm cutting

01:16:03.340 --> 01:16:08.060
<v Sam>out trumpies for my life but at the same time like if they're trumpies that

01:16:08.060 --> 01:16:14.160
<v Sam>are trying to get me aggravated i'm just like i hope you get everything you

01:16:14.160 --> 01:16:19.340
<v Sam>want out of this and just walking away leaving it at that you know yeah there's

01:16:19.340 --> 01:16:21.140
<v Sam>no And I wanted to mention,

01:16:21.260 --> 01:16:26.140
<v Sam>this reminded me, we did have a piece of feedback that I'll share here.

01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:32.660
<v Sam>Actually, there was more than one person who has told me explicitly about this

01:16:32.660 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Sam>podcast that, for instance, they could not bring themselves to listen to our

01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:38.820
<v Sam>election night episode.

01:16:39.240 --> 01:16:39.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know.

01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.920
<v Sam>Here's one, and this is from our loyal listener, Matt.

01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:48.960
<v Sam>I was talking to him about some other stuff, but he says, As an aside,

01:16:49.240 --> 01:16:54.200
<v Sam>I started listening to the podcast episode from election night during a walk I was taking last week.

01:16:54.830 --> 01:16:59.830
<v Sam>Since, of course, I knew the end result and my walk was supposed to be for relaxing

01:16:59.830 --> 01:17:05.070
<v Sam>and de-stressing, I actually had to stop the podcast about 15 minutes into it.

01:17:05.190 --> 01:17:10.710
<v Sam>I was just getting so upset all over again, almost like a PTSD episode.

01:17:10.930 --> 01:17:11.130
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:17:11.290 --> 01:17:14.590
<v Sam>I just couldn't go through living through all that again.

01:17:15.010 --> 01:17:20.290
<v Sam>And he goes on to say, the election definitely hit me and his wife,

01:17:20.330 --> 01:17:24.410
<v Sam>but actually had a much more significant effect on my two older daughters.

01:17:24.830 --> 01:17:27.830
<v Sam>They've been really engaged both before and after the election.

01:17:28.050 --> 01:17:31.150
<v Sam>Dinner conversation frequently turned into political commentary,

01:17:31.150 --> 01:17:35.790
<v Sam>which has been kind of cool to be able to talk with the kids about that kind of adult stuff.

01:17:35.930 --> 01:17:40.810
<v Sam>But on the other hand, the first few days after the election were bad for them.

01:17:40.970 --> 01:17:45.150
<v Sam>They started ditching people on socials, blocking people, and started getting

01:17:45.150 --> 01:17:49.470
<v Sam>vocal with their friends and acquaintances about not wanting to spend time with

01:17:49.470 --> 01:17:55.390
<v Sam>someone who can blindly be ignorant of reality and or blindly do what their uninformed parents do.

01:17:55.850 --> 01:18:00.930
<v Sam>And he finally says, and I kid you not, a lot of the times his wife will turn

01:18:00.930 --> 01:18:06.090
<v Sam>to me and ask, did Sam say anything about that? What does he and Yvonne think about blah?

01:18:06.470 --> 01:18:08.990
<v Sam>So anyway, a little bit of feedback.

01:18:09.170 --> 01:18:11.970
<v Ivan>Well, by the way, well, one thing I will say, man—,

01:18:12.810 --> 01:18:16.090
<v Ivan>You're really, really, really impressed

01:18:16.090 --> 01:18:19.870
<v Ivan>with the level of smarts of your daughters. Okay, let me tell you.

01:18:20.170 --> 01:18:23.670
<v Ivan>I'm like, that's, man, I'm proud of those girls.

01:18:23.670 --> 01:18:24.250
<v Sam>Age 21 and 18, by the way.

01:18:24.470 --> 01:18:27.430
<v Ivan>Be proud of those girls. They're fantastic. I'll tell you what.

01:18:27.550 --> 01:18:31.370
<v Ivan>That's great. I love that. You know, I really love that.

01:18:31.570 --> 01:18:36.710
<v Ivan>And well, you know, I get it. Listen, I get it, man.

01:18:37.010 --> 01:18:42.070
<v Ivan>I mean, it's like I said, you know, you talk about, yeah, listening to that podcast triggering.

01:18:42.070 --> 01:18:45.290
<v Ivan>The same thing with me what i mean i i can't i

01:18:45.290 --> 01:18:48.550
<v Ivan>i could listen the the regular news program

01:18:48.550 --> 01:18:52.870
<v Ivan>that i watch in the morning which is mostly business focused even just some

01:18:52.870 --> 01:18:57.350
<v Ivan>stray mentions of what the fuck is going on had me going so bad that i'm like

01:18:57.350 --> 01:19:03.290
<v Ivan>i basically i don't watch it anymore i am now watching get up on espn one of

01:19:03.290 --> 01:19:07.370
<v Ivan>the great things i will say about about that that espn And, you know,

01:19:07.450 --> 01:19:12.010
<v Ivan>for better or worse, and I know that it impacted certain certain people negatively.

01:19:12.010 --> 01:19:15.310
<v Ivan>And I follow some of those people outside of ESPN.

01:19:15.570 --> 01:19:20.310
<v Ivan>But look, a few years ago, CEO of ESPN said during the Trump administration,

01:19:20.310 --> 01:19:23.890
<v Ivan>and they had a whole bunch of skirmishes with them, said, OK,

01:19:24.290 --> 01:19:29.550
<v Ivan>listen, people, we are not talking about anything politics on this fucking network.

01:19:29.990 --> 01:19:32.010
<v Ivan>Not one fucking thing. Nothing.

01:19:32.470 --> 01:19:36.350
<v Ivan>They don't exist. We're not talking about it. Not one word.

01:19:36.470 --> 01:19:43.630
<v Ivan>It's like that shit doesn't happen we are people come here and honestly they're

01:19:43.630 --> 01:19:46.070
<v Ivan>coming here because they don't want to be listening to that shit.

01:19:46.690 --> 01:19:49.550
<v Ivan>So we're not we're going to act like it doesn't exist

01:19:49.550 --> 01:19:52.530
<v Ivan>we're talking about sports that's it

01:19:52.530 --> 01:19:55.990
<v Ivan>so when you turn it to ESPN it's

01:19:55.990 --> 01:19:58.890
<v Ivan>like the day after the election it's like the election didn't

01:19:58.890 --> 01:20:02.150
<v Ivan>happen nothing not even a stray mention

01:20:02.150 --> 01:20:04.890
<v Ivan>nothing not one and you

01:20:04.890 --> 01:20:07.790
<v Ivan>know what i realized i like this

01:20:07.790 --> 01:20:12.950
<v Ivan>i don't want to hear about it let's just talk endlessly about the benching of

01:20:12.950 --> 01:20:16.270
<v Ivan>daniel jones and the new york giants who the fuck gives it which is one of the

01:20:16.270 --> 01:20:21.470
<v Ivan>most inane stories ever and like completely insignificant and you know what

01:20:21.470 --> 01:20:24.150
<v Ivan>at least because we're talking about bullshit it doesn't remind me anything

01:20:24.150 --> 01:20:25.090
<v Ivan>about this fucking election,

01:20:26.110 --> 01:20:26.490
<v Ivan>Great.

01:20:27.190 --> 01:20:32.050
<v Sam>Right. And, and look, even here, I mean, we've, we've been talking about avoiding

01:20:32.050 --> 01:20:33.410
<v Sam>politics, which is still politics.

01:20:33.590 --> 01:20:39.510
<v Sam>We've been talking about economics, but we did not specifically talk about all

01:20:39.510 --> 01:20:44.110
<v Sam>the ins and outs of what was happening with Matt Gaetz and all of the other,

01:20:44.670 --> 01:20:50.530
<v Sam>and, and, and, and, and like my list of things to talk about was the damn spider

01:20:50.530 --> 01:20:56.390
<v Sam>was about blue sky was about, hey, should I be thinking about upgrading my iPhone?

01:20:56.550 --> 01:20:58.050
<v Sam>It's a little bit old right now.

01:20:59.290 --> 01:21:07.130
<v Sam>You know, I've got a thing that I may still mention before we close it out about more use of AI.

01:21:07.550 --> 01:21:12.670
<v Sam>Like I was doing some, Alex wants me to do game programming and I was doing

01:21:12.670 --> 01:21:17.690
<v Sam>a bunch of AI stuff last night and I was really excited about it last night actually.

01:21:17.850 --> 01:21:21.910
<v Sam>And the stupid AI screwed me at one point and caused me a lot of extra work.

01:21:22.270 --> 01:21:26.570
<v Sam>And so there was that I, I, I, I, I'm revising my resume.

01:21:26.590 --> 01:21:30.370
<v Sam>I, I used AI to help with that and their pros and cons to that.

01:21:30.470 --> 01:21:33.850
<v Sam>And, you know, but the point is not those things. I don't want to talk about

01:21:33.850 --> 01:21:37.930
<v Sam>necessarily any of those things right now, but like bullet point,

01:21:38.090 --> 01:21:39.750
<v Sam>bullet point, bullet point, bullet point.

01:21:40.190 --> 01:21:45.870
<v Sam>Like I was putting down things this week that were not related to news and stuff.

01:21:46.090 --> 01:21:50.250
<v Ivan>AI. Speaking of AI, I got my, I got recently got Manu a new,

01:21:50.250 --> 01:21:55.530
<v Ivan>new, new MacBook pro. okay and so you know as we dive.

01:21:55.530 --> 01:21:56.650
<v Sam>Into the tangent go ahead.

01:21:56.650 --> 01:22:01.270
<v Ivan>Well yeah no well well yeah it's so the one thing is that you know i actually

01:22:01.270 --> 01:22:05.450
<v Ivan>i was playing around with it i you know i don't the map comes with a chess program

01:22:05.450 --> 01:22:09.610
<v Ivan>yep yeah i hadn't played chess in like forever and i'm like okay well and the

01:22:09.610 --> 01:22:13.970
<v Ivan>one thing is that i had it like reading out the the moves okay and so manu liked

01:22:13.970 --> 01:22:15.470
<v Ivan>hearing the moves read out,

01:22:16.310 --> 01:22:19.590
<v Ivan>I've never been a good chess player, but let me tell you something.

01:22:19.810 --> 01:22:22.710
<v Ivan>And, but it used to be like the old, old programs.

01:22:22.950 --> 01:22:27.170
<v Ivan>If you set it at the dumbest setting, I could at least like occasionally win

01:22:27.170 --> 01:22:28.890
<v Ivan>a match against the computer.

01:22:29.230 --> 01:22:29.830
<v Sam>Okay. All right.

01:22:30.610 --> 01:22:38.430
<v Ivan>Dude, I have not been even remotely close, even at the dumbest fucking setting

01:22:38.430 --> 01:22:40.510
<v Ivan>at beating this damn computer.

01:22:40.630 --> 01:22:43.750
<v Sam>And it's so, so let me, let me tell you one of the things like,

01:22:43.750 --> 01:22:48.830
<v Sam>I also have never been good at chess although i wish i was and always every

01:22:48.830 --> 01:22:50.190
<v Sam>once in a while i would like try playing,

01:22:50.910 --> 01:22:54.510
<v Sam>if you go looking for chess programs now one

01:22:54.510 --> 01:22:57.390
<v Sam>of the things to explicitly look out for now

01:22:57.390 --> 01:23:00.150
<v Sam>is their dumb levels especially if

01:23:00.150 --> 01:23:06.390
<v Sam>you're people like me like get one that specifically has really really really

01:23:06.390 --> 01:23:10.690
<v Sam>dumb levels because the one thing is remember you know i i attended some of

01:23:10.690 --> 01:23:15.270
<v Sam>the Kasparov deep blue matches where like one of my first dates with my goddamn

01:23:15.270 --> 01:23:17.950
<v Sam>wife was attending one of those blue matches.

01:23:18.670 --> 01:23:22.750
<v Sam>But like the second round, I think with her and I had done some a few years earlier with the.

01:23:22.750 --> 01:23:26.850
<v Ivan>I'm pretty sure that the stupid computer at the dumb level, I got a smart at

01:23:26.850 --> 01:23:29.110
<v Ivan>the fucking smart at fucking deep blue.

01:23:29.310 --> 01:23:32.130
<v Sam>Well, what I was going to say, not necessarily the dumb level there,

01:23:32.270 --> 01:23:34.850
<v Sam>but every single iPhone chess game,

01:23:35.380 --> 01:23:40.260
<v Sam>has levels at this point that can beat the world champion.

01:23:40.440 --> 01:23:46.440
<v Sam>The current world champion today cannot beat the highest levels on a program that runs on your phone.

01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:50.180
<v Ivan>Exactly. It's ridiculous. It's fucking ridiculous.

01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:56.340
<v Ivan>And so, yeah, I can't set that damn thing to a dumb enough level where I can win one fucking game.

01:23:56.400 --> 01:24:00.100
<v Sam>Well, just to be clear, there are chess programs you can get that are dumber.

01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:05.140
<v Ivan>Well, I said that. No, no, no. I know, but that one, I can't set it dumb enough for me to win.

01:24:05.380 --> 01:24:05.920
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:07.920
<v Ivan>It's fucking ridiculous.

01:24:08.320 --> 01:24:12.440
<v Sam>To be fair, Yvonne, it probably has to be pretty dumb for you to beat it. But, you know.

01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:15.720
<v Ivan>I agree. I'm not arguing that.

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:20.280
<v Sam>But, I mean, literally, some of the programs have levels that just make random

01:24:20.280 --> 01:24:22.080
<v Sam>moves. Completely random moves.

01:24:23.620 --> 01:24:27.980
<v Ivan>Well, here's the thing. But that's what a lot of average humans would do.

01:24:28.440 --> 01:24:28.860
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:24:29.120 --> 01:24:34.940
<v Ivan>Okay? And that's the problem. I can't set this one. This one will always do a fucking smart move.

01:24:35.380 --> 01:24:38.660
<v Ivan>You know, it's not going to do a stupid move. Even at the dollar,

01:24:38.740 --> 01:24:41.960
<v Ivan>it's going to do a fucking smart move. It won't make a fucking mistake.

01:24:42.360 --> 01:24:45.640
<v Ivan>Humans, especially the average player, will make some dumb mistake.

01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:50.260
<v Ivan>Not notice that you put a piece in jeopardy and like, ah, fuck.

01:24:50.780 --> 01:24:55.700
<v Ivan>You know, shit. Yeah. So, but yeah, so I cannot, I have not been able to beat that computer.

01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:01.380
<v Ivan>Not even, I've got like, maybe like 25, 30 moves deep, but no,

01:25:01.740 --> 01:25:04.080
<v Ivan>no, still can't win. Doesn't matter. No.

01:25:04.660 --> 01:25:09.680
<v Sam>Right. So my, my point, my point was just, even as we're thinking about topics

01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Sam>for the show, the shift towards non newsy topics has been real.

01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:20.640
<v Sam>Like at least this week, like here's, I expect at a certain point,

01:25:21.280 --> 01:25:23.620
<v Sam>like there's the temptation to do that right now.

01:25:23.620 --> 01:25:28.640
<v Sam>At a certain point, it will once again become unavoidable because Trump will

01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:32.160
<v Sam>actually be in office. He will actually be doing damaging things.

01:25:32.660 --> 01:25:34.560
<v Ivan>We still got a couple of months to go. we.

01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:36.400
<v Sam>Still got a couple of months to go so we.

01:25:36.400 --> 01:25:40.000
<v Ivan>We can talk about other stuff and you know i

01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.920
<v Ivan>mean there will be a lot of dumb stuff i mean i can i you know

01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:45.900
<v Ivan>one dumb thing that i didn't mention i was going to mention earlier go ahead

01:25:45.900 --> 01:25:50.080
<v Ivan>you did you did touch on it a little bit uh about how they weren't signed they

01:25:50.080 --> 01:25:54.800
<v Ivan>didn't want to sign any of the ndas or anything whatever look here here's the

01:25:54.800 --> 01:26:00.060
<v Ivan>idiotic thing you know they're already starting off from from just some of what

01:26:00.060 --> 01:26:02.840
<v Ivan>doing one of the dumbest things that you could do during the transition.

01:26:03.180 --> 01:26:05.020
<v Sam>Which is not talk to the people who are there now.

01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.300
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly. I mean, that doesn't help them at all. They think that somehow,

01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:13.320
<v Ivan>whoa, we're doing a, I heard a word, we're doing a hostile takeover. Well, listen, clown.

01:26:14.060 --> 01:26:18.060
<v Ivan>You know, you're like trying to take over an aircraft carrier that you've never run before.

01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:21.540
<v Ivan>And you're trying, you're saying that you don't want any of the people running

01:26:21.540 --> 01:26:23.260
<v Ivan>it to tell you where the fuck stuff is.

01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Ivan>You know what? You're going to be, you, I mean,

01:26:28.810 --> 01:26:34.010
<v Ivan>Maybe these people have run ships before, but, you know, you're going to be

01:26:34.010 --> 01:26:40.710
<v Ivan>just, you're making it far more difficult to probably get control of it faster.

01:26:41.630 --> 01:26:44.350
<v Ivan>What they're doing is counter to their goal.

01:26:44.710 --> 01:26:46.930
<v Sam>Well, also, just to be just.

01:26:46.930 --> 01:26:51.550
<v Ivan>You want to, you want them to show you where everything is just to be clear.

01:26:51.790 --> 01:26:58.150
<v Sam>Just to be clear. Their explicit plan also includes on day one going in and

01:26:58.150 --> 01:26:59.550
<v Sam>firing all kinds of people.

01:26:59.850 --> 01:27:03.110
<v Sam>So it's not only they're not going to talk to them now,

01:27:03.370 --> 01:27:10.610
<v Sam>the supposedly career people who are not political, they're going to go in and

01:27:10.610 --> 01:27:15.090
<v Sam>at least the plan, we'll see if they actually do it, is to decimate that group

01:27:15.090 --> 01:27:16.790
<v Sam>right when they first start.

01:27:17.650 --> 01:27:21.390
<v Sam>So they're going to damage that even further when they get in.

01:27:21.390 --> 01:27:26.970
<v Sam>Now their take on that is all those people will just be there to stop us from

01:27:26.970 --> 01:27:32.170
<v Sam>doing what we want to do anyway so they're you know there's no point in talking

01:27:32.170 --> 01:27:35.410
<v Sam>to them there's no point in keeping them we're just going to immediately get

01:27:35.410 --> 01:27:37.610
<v Sam>rid of it and we'll do what we want to do.

01:27:37.610 --> 01:27:43.230
<v Ivan>I i now i'm pretty sure that that will happen at some agencies and certain things

01:27:43.230 --> 01:27:44.890
<v Ivan>but i'll tell you one thing i'm,

01:27:46.990 --> 01:27:49.850
<v Ivan>As much as I loathe Marco Rubio, probably won't do that.

01:27:50.470 --> 01:27:53.690
<v Ivan>And like the guy that they named at Treasury probably won't do that.

01:27:53.770 --> 01:27:55.490
<v Ivan>But I'm sure that at certain agencies, they will.

01:27:56.470 --> 01:28:02.630
<v Ivan>But again, the problem is that you're going to get rid of everybody that knows where anything is.

01:28:02.790 --> 01:28:07.310
<v Sam>Well, remember, whatever the hell you're going to do. For many of these agencies,

01:28:07.650 --> 01:28:13.830
<v Sam>the explicit goal is to cripple the agency and make sure it can't do anything.

01:28:14.870 --> 01:28:20.250
<v Ivan>And that, okay. And I'm not sure how that's going to help them accomplish anything, but okay.

01:28:20.730 --> 01:28:25.370
<v Sam>Well, it'll accomplish crippling the agency and keeping it from doing anything.

01:28:25.750 --> 01:28:31.010
<v Sam>You know, it's one thing if you want the agency to do something different than it does today.

01:28:31.370 --> 01:28:37.530
<v Sam>But if you want it to stop working, then it's much easier to break things than to fix them.

01:28:37.770 --> 01:28:41.110
<v Ivan>It really depends on how agencies are structured or what they do, right?

01:28:41.330 --> 01:28:47.590
<v Ivan>Okay. Because let me give you an example. OK, somebody was talking about what

01:28:47.590 --> 01:28:49.810
<v Ivan>CEOs do on a day to day basis.

01:28:50.010 --> 01:28:53.770
<v Ivan>Right. And how some companies can can operate without a CEO being there.

01:28:54.390 --> 01:28:59.510
<v Ivan>One of the things is that stuff like down when you've got a agency that has

01:28:59.510 --> 01:29:03.530
<v Ivan>100000 employees and departments and agencies and sub offices and whatever, whatnot. Right.

01:29:03.990 --> 01:29:07.110
<v Ivan>Well, everybody's just doing their job every day. They're not getting instructions

01:29:07.110 --> 01:29:11.410
<v Ivan>from from the from the from the chief executive or like whatever in order to

01:29:11.410 --> 01:29:12.850
<v Ivan>do their job on a daily basis.

01:29:12.850 --> 01:29:16.870
<v Ivan>OK, they need to probably receive most of the time, you know,

01:29:16.950 --> 01:29:19.810
<v Ivan>they need to receive instructions in order for something to change.

01:29:20.290 --> 01:29:26.590
<v Ivan>OK, and, you know, and so and this reminds me of the experience I had with when

01:29:26.590 --> 01:29:30.750
<v Ivan>Carly Fiorina came into to HP where she had the same mindset.

01:29:31.030 --> 01:29:34.670
<v Ivan>OK, she didn't understand why things didn't change. And I'm like,

01:29:34.750 --> 01:29:36.930
<v Ivan>well, you got 150,000 employees.

01:29:37.930 --> 01:29:42.370
<v Ivan>And if you want to change, it has to percolate all the way down to like the

01:29:42.370 --> 01:29:43.950
<v Ivan>people that are actually doing the work.

01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:51.940
<v Ivan>And if you don't really, and any change like that takes time because there's 150,000 employees.

01:29:52.300 --> 01:29:56.100
<v Ivan>So if you basically cut off all communication to, to management,

01:29:56.340 --> 01:30:00.520
<v Ivan>I've had, I've been in situations where my boss has been non-existent.

01:30:00.660 --> 01:30:02.020
<v Ivan>What are you going to do every day?

01:30:02.240 --> 01:30:04.980
<v Ivan>Well, if they happen to fire you over there, whatever, it's just going to keep

01:30:04.980 --> 01:30:06.400
<v Ivan>doing whatever the hell you were doing before.

01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:07.160
<v Sam>Right.

01:30:07.380 --> 01:30:13.000
<v Ivan>And so I, I, I don't, I don't understand this, this entire thinking that they've got. Okay.

01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.880
<v Ivan>It's just really it may

01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:19.740
<v Ivan>change like strategy in the long run well they're not going

01:30:19.740 --> 01:30:24.300
<v Ivan>to get some stuff or whatever whatnot but it's very difficult to you know you're

01:30:24.300 --> 01:30:27.560
<v Ivan>not getting people to stop every day unless you're just going to fire everybody

01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:32.420
<v Ivan>at the you know just everybody all the way down just fire everybody shut down

01:30:32.420 --> 01:30:37.380
<v Ivan>the department right so I and then you know it's.

01:30:39.020 --> 01:30:46.700
<v Ivan>There is a lot of in this what I see naivety and wish casting rather than any

01:30:46.700 --> 01:30:51.600
<v Ivan>smart, methodical way of how to execute this.

01:30:53.100 --> 01:30:58.080
<v Ivan>Because I've always thought that the first thing that you do is that if you

01:30:58.080 --> 01:31:02.220
<v Ivan>want to take over something and be effective at changing what it is,

01:31:02.420 --> 01:31:06.380
<v Ivan>you probably can find some allies in that group. Okay?

01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:09.920
<v Ivan>And some people that are willing to share the information. So you talk to them,

01:31:10.060 --> 01:31:12.820
<v Ivan>you figure out who your allies are, they'll tell you where the fuck

01:31:12.820 --> 01:31:15.680
<v Ivan>everything is and then you start you start you know

01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:18.380
<v Ivan>doing whatever the fuck it is and then you start firing people if you're

01:31:18.380 --> 01:31:22.880
<v Ivan>going in if you're going in and not even like do that it's going to make whatever

01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:25.980
<v Ivan>the hell you're going to try to do a hell of a lot a lot harder but but look

01:31:25.980 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Ivan>we're expecting a mess and i expect a mess and i expect a broad mess from a

01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:36.080
<v Ivan>lot of places which is why i don't know what the fuck is going to happen,

01:31:37.510 --> 01:31:42.370
<v Ivan>i just don't know and i think that that's the uncertainty that the markets and

01:31:42.370 --> 01:31:45.290
<v Ivan>everybody is having right now after the first little boost of whatever went

01:31:45.290 --> 01:31:50.450
<v Ivan>out there it's just like who the fuck knows what they're gonna do right and.

01:31:50.450 --> 01:31:58.830
<v Sam>And there's yeah but i think the spectrum goes from oh my god really really

01:31:58.830 --> 01:32:01.610
<v Sam>like country destroying bad to,

01:32:03.630 --> 01:32:08.810
<v Sam>bad along the same lines as the first term, which was still pretty bad.

01:32:08.970 --> 01:32:12.410
<v Sam>To be clear, there are lots of people minimizing how bad the first term was,

01:32:12.490 --> 01:32:13.650
<v Sam>but it was pretty damn bad.

01:32:13.930 --> 01:32:17.410
<v Sam>But you've got that whole spectrum. I don't think there's any possibility that

01:32:17.410 --> 01:32:19.550
<v Sam>it's better than the first term was.

01:32:19.710 --> 01:32:25.070
<v Ivan>No, no. I'll tell you an example, for example, of things that got really bad,

01:32:25.230 --> 01:32:29.710
<v Ivan>like people just applying for a visa to come to the US,

01:32:29.710 --> 01:32:33.970
<v Ivan>people that you would never turn away okay you

01:32:33.970 --> 01:32:38.590
<v Ivan>know people who even they want to come in right they decimated that process

01:32:38.590 --> 01:32:43.090
<v Ivan>so bad that some people in places were raiding years to get appointments that

01:32:43.090 --> 01:32:48.350
<v Ivan>normally took you know got got handled pretty quickly and so it's that kind

01:32:48.350 --> 01:32:53.070
<v Ivan>of stuff where you're even impeding the shit that you want like to happen,

01:32:54.610 --> 01:32:59.870
<v Ivan>So, I don't know. Okay. We'll just, all right, well, we're done.

01:33:00.030 --> 01:33:01.230
<v Ivan>Let's get the fuck out of here.

01:33:01.450 --> 01:33:03.390
<v Sam>Let's wrap this sucker up.

01:33:03.790 --> 01:33:04.230
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:33:04.990 --> 01:33:11.570
<v Sam>One other thing I am going to say out loud here that I mentioned in passing,

01:33:11.630 --> 01:33:12.730
<v Sam>I was updating my resume.

01:33:13.270 --> 01:33:16.190
<v Sam>And by the way on the ai part of that the only

01:33:16.190 --> 01:33:19.070
<v Sam>warning is you know ai can be useful for things

01:33:19.070 --> 01:33:22.570
<v Sam>like shortening and blah blah blah and re reflow

01:33:22.570 --> 01:33:25.270
<v Sam>this in another way reformat blah blah blah but you

01:33:25.270 --> 01:33:28.770
<v Sam>gotta watch that shit like a hawk because like

01:33:28.770 --> 01:33:33.110
<v Sam>you know i i was working on updating it and making sure like it included the

01:33:33.110 --> 01:33:38.910
<v Sam>last few years of stuff i had done and and and shortening it and like blah blah

01:33:38.910 --> 01:33:42.930
<v Sam>blah get get getting rid of some of the really old stuff blah blah blah but

01:33:42.930 --> 01:33:47.950
<v Sam>like stupid thing kept trying to add completely made up shit that doesn't exist,

01:33:50.270 --> 01:33:53.770
<v Sam>it's like and i i had to i have to make sure to go through you.

01:33:53.770 --> 01:33:59.690
<v Ivan>Weren't a president and ceo of this company for seven years sam you didn't know this ai knows.

01:33:59.690 --> 01:34:05.170
<v Sam>Not quite that bad but i had to like over and over and over again every time

01:34:05.170 --> 01:34:08.610
<v Sam>like i would ask it for something simple like you know hey this is too long

01:34:08.610 --> 01:34:12.150
<v Sam>can we shorten it whatever you know and and but i had to go over

01:34:12.290 --> 01:34:18.050
<v Sam>every single line line by line reading every fucking word because it would be

01:34:18.050 --> 01:34:22.770
<v Sam>like it would change it into something unrecognizable and i'm like i didn't

01:34:22.770 --> 01:34:27.770
<v Sam>do that what are you what are you talking about like i can can you listen i.

01:34:27.770 --> 01:34:33.710
<v Ivan>I i i told i i mentioned i think earlier that i had tried to get ai to help me write a letter okay.

01:34:33.710 --> 01:34:34.670
<v Sam>Specifically and.

01:34:34.670 --> 01:34:38.130
<v Ivan>The thing is that when it when i i asked it to check the letter that i wrote

01:34:38.130 --> 01:34:44.010
<v Ivan>and the one thing that i i wound up almost taking every edit out because it

01:34:44.010 --> 01:34:45.750
<v Ivan>didn't sound like me anymore.

01:34:45.890 --> 01:34:48.750
<v Ivan>It made it sound like some generic person talking.

01:34:48.970 --> 01:34:52.830
<v Ivan>It took language that I normally would use, which I sometimes use very,

01:34:54.170 --> 01:35:00.350
<v Ivan>idiosyncratic you know yes exactly things that are just that sound like me took

01:35:00.350 --> 01:35:03.750
<v Ivan>them all out and sounded like some bland fucking like thing and i'm like no

01:35:03.750 --> 01:35:07.990
<v Ivan>that's that's that's you took out my me-isms and made it sound like totally

01:35:07.990 --> 01:35:10.150
<v Ivan>bland no that's not what i want yeah.

01:35:10.150 --> 01:35:15.930
<v Sam>No absolutely but like i and and you know that i was just concerned about accuracy

01:35:15.930 --> 01:35:20.790
<v Sam>i was concerned about two things One, don't say shit that's not true. Okay.

01:35:21.790 --> 01:35:27.550
<v Sam>Number one. And two, it has to be recognizable so that like,

01:35:27.570 --> 01:35:31.450
<v Sam>if somebody asks me about this bullet point, I know what the hell it was talking about.

01:35:31.990 --> 01:35:36.810
<v Sam>And so, cause like, even if it like, sometimes it was reworded to such a generic

01:35:36.810 --> 01:35:41.330
<v Sam>way that I'm like, okay, maybe, but I don't even remember.

01:35:41.330 --> 01:35:49.270
<v Sam>Like, so anyway, the point is like these tools can be helpful sometimes in some scenarios.

01:35:49.270 --> 01:35:51.470
<v Ivan>But you got to be careful.

01:35:51.710 --> 01:35:58.370
<v Sam>You have to be super, don't like never, ever, ever just take the output of one

01:35:58.370 --> 01:36:01.930
<v Sam>of these things and send it sight unseen.

01:36:01.950 --> 01:36:09.870
<v Sam>You have to check every damn line, every word, make sure it's what you actually want to be saying.

01:36:09.870 --> 01:36:16.270
<v Sam>And that, frankly, in some cases, that means you'd be better off just not using

01:36:16.270 --> 01:36:18.690
<v Sam>it at all and just writing the stuff.

01:36:18.990 --> 01:36:26.070
<v Ivan>So the resume was inaccurate when it said you were an expert in bondage and BDS and other things?

01:36:27.410 --> 01:36:29.670
<v Ivan>You're like, wait, what? What? What?

01:36:30.710 --> 01:36:36.510
<v Sam>Yeah. But yet, it was fine when it said I was an astronaut.

01:36:37.690 --> 01:36:38.390
<v Ivan>That's good.

01:36:38.390 --> 01:36:43.530
<v Sam>That's just yeah that's part of my record part of my history you know you.

01:36:43.530 --> 01:36:48.350
<v Ivan>Know they say that you were part of the first first group to land on mars or something like.

01:36:48.350 --> 01:36:51.450
<v Sam>I was gonna say it said i was on the challenger but that

01:36:51.450 --> 01:37:00.170
<v Sam>would be something yeah anyway no so the thing i wanted to say is i'm not going

01:37:00.170 --> 01:37:05.690
<v Sam>to get into details of how or why i am still at my current position but I am

01:37:05.690 --> 01:37:10.350
<v Sam>actively paying attention and looking at alternatives and blah,

01:37:10.450 --> 01:37:12.910
<v Sam>blah, blah. So just for any of you out there,

01:37:13.670 --> 01:37:18.470
<v Sam>If you have any leads for me, contact me. If you're already a LinkedIn contact,

01:37:18.730 --> 01:37:20.010
<v Sam>LinkedIn is completely up to date.

01:37:20.150 --> 01:37:24.730
<v Sam>That resume I talked about has an HTML version at ablesmay.com slash resume.

01:37:25.270 --> 01:37:31.850
<v Sam>Take a look. Basically, I'm a program manager slash product manager kind of

01:37:31.850 --> 01:37:39.450
<v Sam>thing with a specialty in sort of anti-abuse content related stuff.

01:37:39.890 --> 01:37:43.050
<v Sam>So if anybody's got any leads, ping me.

01:37:43.050 --> 01:37:48.050
<v Sam>We'll give all the contacts and yeah i mean i'm exploring let's put it that

01:37:48.050 --> 01:37:53.530
<v Sam>way i'm exploring i'm looking for options and so if anybody's got any leads

01:37:53.530 --> 01:37:57.750
<v Sam>let me know especially if you're a fan of this show i'd love to hear from you

01:37:57.750 --> 01:38:01.190
<v Sam>anyway but yeah um okay with that one.

01:38:01.190 --> 01:38:03.770
<v Ivan>More thing one more so so i got my.

01:38:03.770 --> 01:38:06.290
<v Sam>Oh you got one more thing go go well i.

01:38:06.290 --> 01:38:08.330
<v Ivan>Got that well i have the thing from our Slack.

01:38:08.510 --> 01:38:15.650
<v Sam>Okay, well, then let me do the website. So yeah, go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:38:15.850 --> 01:38:18.990
<v Sam>You'll find all the ways to contact us. You will find our archives.

01:38:19.290 --> 01:38:23.490
<v Sam>You will find links to our YouTube where we live stream these things.

01:38:23.690 --> 01:38:27.810
<v Sam>We had one person in and out on today's show. Thank you, whoever that was.

01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:32.610
<v Sam>Oh, that was me. That was you. Okay, well, thank you, Yvonne.

01:38:33.170 --> 01:38:36.910
<v Ivan>Well, I was just trying to see if anybody commented on anything on the thing.

01:38:37.990 --> 01:38:40.450
<v Sam>Well, I appreciate you watching the show, Yvonne.

01:38:41.370 --> 01:38:43.590
<v Ivan>Watching ourselves? Oh, yeah. You're welcome.

01:38:43.970 --> 01:38:50.490
<v Sam>Yeah. So anyway, I have seen these get some views after the fact as well. So I appreciate that.

01:38:50.650 --> 01:38:55.890
<v Sam>There are links to all that kind of stuff on the website on curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:38:56.030 --> 01:39:00.250
<v Sam>I have not linked to TikTok yet, but I am posting stuff on TikTok.

01:39:00.510 --> 01:39:05.150
<v Sam>We have gotten actually a decent amount of engagement on the TikTok.

01:39:05.150 --> 01:39:11.890
<v Sam>Like, you know, basically, like if you look at the views of,

01:39:12.390 --> 01:39:16.610
<v Sam>I posted four clips from last week's show. Okay.

01:39:17.310 --> 01:39:22.610
<v Sam>Let me, let me check where we are right now. Last week's show at the moment.

01:39:23.900 --> 01:39:29.640
<v Sam>Had 38 downloads of the audio podcast, of the, of the audio podcast,

01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:37.300
<v Sam>the regular way, the tick talk, each one of the four clips that I posted had more than 700 views.

01:39:37.740 --> 01:39:38.260
<v Ivan>Wow.

01:39:38.500 --> 01:39:44.300
<v Sam>Now, now, if you look at the stats, most of those views were only one second

01:39:44.300 --> 01:39:51.120
<v Sam>long, but you know, Hey, but we, we, we got, we got a few likes, we got a few comments.

01:39:51.120 --> 01:39:54.220
<v Sam>There was one person specifically complaining about my audio

01:39:54.220 --> 01:39:57.600
<v Sam>quality last week and i admit it there well

01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.900
<v Sam>there was a problem i it was a real problem my my audio

01:40:00.900 --> 01:40:04.440
<v Sam>was blown out i tried to fix it a little bit in post but i couldn't really fix

01:40:04.440 --> 01:40:08.960
<v Sam>it completely so it sounded just my my voice was not great on last week's show

01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:18.880
<v Sam>and in fact i'm for next week i will have a new one of these the pro The problem was, unlike Yvonne,

01:40:19.260 --> 01:40:23.120
<v Sam>I listen to myself in the headphones.

01:40:23.580 --> 01:40:28.500
<v Sam>And the port where I can plug the headphones in on my Yeti mic is broken.

01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:38.040
<v Sam>So I have ordered a new mic. This week, I am using my wife's mic instead that's sitting on my desk.

01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:42.120
<v Sam>But I ordered a new one for me. It's the new model they have.

01:40:42.120 --> 01:40:45.740
<v Sam>So it's got some upgrades i

01:40:45.740 --> 01:40:48.820
<v Sam>could have gone with a completely different brand but i didn't anyway that doesn't

01:40:48.820 --> 01:40:52.280
<v Sam>matter but the point was there's lots of engagement there was a commentary there

01:40:52.280 --> 01:40:56.720
<v Sam>have been people going back and forth etc like lots of likes from people i don't

01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:01.400
<v Sam>recognize now has it translated into actual listeners on the main show no i

01:41:01.400 --> 01:41:04.900
<v Sam>can't see that yet we don't know we don't know we've had.

01:41:04.900 --> 01:41:09.300
<v Ivan>A drop off also from here here's the thing i don't know i'm sure we've had a

01:41:09.300 --> 01:41:12.500
<v Ivan>mix of people coming in and out, especially because we had a lot of people that,

01:41:12.980 --> 01:41:15.360
<v Ivan>after the election, just don't want to listen to this shit right now.

01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:18.920
<v Sam>Yeah. But you know, the thing is...

01:41:20.070 --> 01:41:24.070
<v Sam>The Riverside, which we use to record, automatically generates these clips.

01:41:24.230 --> 01:41:25.710
<v Sam>It generates like a dozen of them.

01:41:25.930 --> 01:41:29.990
<v Sam>And I watch them and most of them suck. And I pick a couple ones that suck a

01:41:29.990 --> 01:41:31.990
<v Sam>little bit less and I post them. It's not much work.

01:41:32.170 --> 01:41:35.630
<v Sam>So I figure, why not? And if some of those people like the clips and eventually

01:41:35.630 --> 01:41:37.590
<v Sam>listen to the whole podcast, great.

01:41:37.890 --> 01:41:41.550
<v Sam>If not, oh, well, didn't cost that much in terms of time or anything.

01:41:41.830 --> 01:41:44.790
<v Sam>Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:41:45.050 --> 01:41:49.470
<v Sam>One of the links on curmudgeon-corner.com is a link to our Patreon,

01:41:49.470 --> 01:41:54.430
<v Sam>where you can give us money at various levels. We will mention you on the show.

01:41:54.590 --> 01:41:56.470
<v Sam>We'll send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug, blah, blah,

01:41:56.550 --> 01:41:57.170
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:41:57.350 --> 01:42:01.510
<v Sam>And very importantly, at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask,

01:42:01.670 --> 01:42:05.490
<v Sam>we will invite you to the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack where Yvonne and I and a

01:42:05.490 --> 01:42:08.930
<v Sam>bunch of listeners are hanging out, sharing links and chatting throughout the week.

01:42:09.210 --> 01:42:14.410
<v Sam>And Yvonne has a highlight of something from the Slack that we have not talked about on the show.

01:42:14.570 --> 01:42:18.470
<v Ivan>There were all these power outages in Washington State. I was talking about

01:42:18.470 --> 01:42:20.810
<v Ivan>generating electricity and whatnot or whatever.

01:42:21.010 --> 01:42:24.510
<v Ivan>And I was like, I was looking around and there was somebody that,

01:42:24.510 --> 01:42:28.650
<v Ivan>that is posting like, and they're trying to get this thing like funded and built.

01:42:29.490 --> 01:42:33.590
<v Ivan>Powering your home with a fridge sized nuclear reactor.

01:42:34.270 --> 01:42:40.410
<v Ivan>So you get this, this little like mini nuke in your house that,

01:42:40.410 --> 01:42:45.050
<v Ivan>that is the size of a fridge that, you know, that can power your house.

01:42:45.550 --> 01:42:50.710
<v Sam>Well, and look, these are, it may be a little while out yet till you can really

01:42:50.710 --> 01:42:55.470
<v Sam>do this in a way that makes sense at the household level, but this is very much

01:42:55.470 --> 01:42:57.690
<v Sam>being talked about at the corporate level right now.

01:42:58.110 --> 01:43:04.530
<v Sam>Yes. We're sort of powering data centers or other places where instead of your

01:43:04.530 --> 01:43:10.610
<v Sam>regular grid connection, you basically get a, you know, a standard shipping container size.

01:43:10.610 --> 01:43:13.410
<v Sam>And I'm talking about the big ones they put on trucks or trains or boats.

01:43:14.270 --> 01:43:19.770
<v Sam>You know, you get one of those that's a self-contained nuclear reactor and you

01:43:19.770 --> 01:43:22.330
<v Sam>just plug it in and you power your thing, you know?

01:43:22.470 --> 01:43:26.270
<v Ivan>And it'll work for 30 years or something, whatever, something very long amount of time.

01:43:26.270 --> 01:43:33.210
<v Sam>And, you know, people's immediate reaction to anything nuclear is, oh, my God, safety.

01:43:33.430 --> 01:43:36.550
<v Sam>Is it going to explode like a bomb? Is there going to be nuclear waste?

01:43:36.670 --> 01:43:37.670
<v Sam>Is there this? Is there that?

01:43:37.910 --> 01:43:46.290
<v Sam>Honestly, a lot of those issues that were bigger issues like 40 years ago,

01:43:46.570 --> 01:43:49.410
<v Sam>the technology has improved a lot.

01:43:49.530 --> 01:43:50.010
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:43:50.010 --> 01:43:55.250
<v Sam>They're a lot less concerning today than they were and are traded off against everything else.

01:43:55.250 --> 01:43:58.330
<v Sam>Like you know against the the big changes

01:43:58.330 --> 01:44:01.350
<v Sam>of course everybody is much more aware of the damage that burning

01:44:01.350 --> 01:44:07.670
<v Sam>carbon costs right you know so it's not like you can say like nuke you know

01:44:07.670 --> 01:44:12.490
<v Sam>people always had the oh my god the nuclear stuff is dangerous without really

01:44:12.490 --> 01:44:17.550
<v Sam>considering the danger of the old of yeah of the carbon base sources which has

01:44:17.550 --> 01:44:20.110
<v Sam>actually caused a huge amount of damage over the years.

01:44:20.410 --> 01:44:25.990
<v Sam>And so, you know, I've said for a long time, you know, the, the,

01:44:26.460 --> 01:44:34.100
<v Sam>The decline in nuclear was actually one of the biggest mistakes that was made over the last 50 years.

01:44:34.340 --> 01:44:35.240
<v Ivan>Oh, I agree.

01:44:35.540 --> 01:44:36.280
<v Sam>I agree.

01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:40.020
<v Ivan>I mean, nuclear had problems that needed to be addressed.

01:44:40.100 --> 01:44:45.140
<v Ivan>What we needed to do was address the problems, not have nuclear decline, period.

01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:48.560
<v Ivan>And look, there is a reason.

01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:53.020
<v Ivan>We had some very big disasters between the really big ones because Three Mile

01:44:53.020 --> 01:44:57.620
<v Ivan>Island didn't, although it was a disaster. in terms of nuclear radiation.

01:44:58.120 --> 01:45:00.320
<v Sam>But in terms of Chernobyl and the one in...

01:45:00.320 --> 01:45:03.400
<v Ivan>But Chernobyl and Fukushima. Fukushima, yeah. I mean, those were,

01:45:03.400 --> 01:45:07.260
<v Ivan>you know, really terrible disasters.

01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:12.260
<v Ivan>But at the same time, look, instead of, like, just ditching it,

01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:16.300
<v Ivan>one of the things is that those two reactors that those three we're talking

01:45:16.300 --> 01:45:17.940
<v Ivan>about were extremely ordered designs.

01:45:18.940 --> 01:45:23.880
<v Ivan>There's so much newer technology that addresses the reasons why those were risky

01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:27.460
<v Ivan>and cause a problem that instead of like, you know, we need to look at that

01:45:27.460 --> 01:45:29.700
<v Ivan>again and, and, and adopt some of that.

01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:34.320
<v Ivan>If we really want to accelerate our move towards, you know, carbon neutrality.

01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.200
<v Ivan>I mean, there's just, you know, because Ivan.

01:45:37.420 --> 01:45:41.780
<v Sam>Ivan back to the current news, we've elected somebody. It's all about drill,

01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.520
<v Sam>baby drill. All of these alternative sources are bullshit.

01:45:44.780 --> 01:45:47.620
<v Sam>No more solar, no more electric, no more wind.

01:45:48.040 --> 01:45:49.880
<v Sam>All of those are bullshit. No more nuclear.

01:45:50.440 --> 01:45:53.800
<v Sam>Hey, he might like nuclear a little bit, but you know, but basically.

01:45:53.880 --> 01:46:02.500
<v Sam>Drill baby drill yeah sure okay anyway line up sign up to get the personal nuke

01:46:02.500 --> 01:46:07.160
<v Sam>for your home yes um you know and and if they take too long to build it you

01:46:07.160 --> 01:46:10.440
<v Sam>know you can i'm sure you can look up a guide online and just make it yourself.

01:46:11.210 --> 01:46:11.550
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:46:12.230 --> 01:46:12.430
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:46:12.430 --> 01:46:13.890
<v Ivan>I like that movie Manhattan project.

01:46:14.730 --> 01:46:17.710
<v Sam>Really? I don't know. I didn't have never seen that. I have to look that up too.

01:46:18.290 --> 01:46:22.210
<v Ivan>But, uh, wait, is it, is it called a Manhattan? Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:46:22.390 --> 01:46:27.850
<v Sam>There was a guy that like got in trouble, like for, like a high school science

01:46:27.850 --> 01:46:30.890
<v Sam>project actually did get like 99% of the way to.

01:46:31.030 --> 01:46:34.830
<v Ivan>Well, this was, uh, this was, uh, a movie about that.

01:46:35.390 --> 01:46:39.690
<v Ivan>Yeah. A high school prodigy built an atomic bomb with stolen plutonium to win

01:46:39.690 --> 01:46:41.110
<v Ivan>the 45th national science fair.

01:46:41.210 --> 01:46:45.070
<v Ivan>An explosive nuclear weapons lab yeah the movie is called the manhattan project

01:46:45.070 --> 01:46:49.290
<v Ivan>with john lithgow and a couple of other people that are oh.

01:46:49.290 --> 01:46:55.370
<v Sam>I've added it to my list but but there there was a real life case of that as

01:46:55.370 --> 01:46:59.210
<v Sam>well they did not actually have stolen plutonium but they they built like a

01:46:59.210 --> 01:47:04.930
<v Sam>breeder reactor in their garage or whatever and you know eventually they look at listen at.

01:47:04.930 --> 01:47:09.870
<v Ivan>Code listen i i recently you know found out recently for some reason and i think

01:47:09.870 --> 01:47:13.530
<v Ivan>this may be part of a reason why my ex-employer kodak has not been able to sell

01:47:13.530 --> 01:47:15.350
<v Ivan>that one of their buildings.

01:47:15.350 --> 01:47:16.070
<v Sam>Uh there's.

01:47:16.070 --> 01:47:19.690
<v Ivan>A nuclear reactor somewhere in a fucking kodak building.

01:47:19.690 --> 01:47:23.150
<v Sam>Yeah in rochester if you

01:47:23.150 --> 01:47:26.630
<v Sam>remember and here we are on a tangent again one of

01:47:26.630 --> 01:47:33.490
<v Sam>the important like little stories about the manhattan project is that kodak

01:47:33.490 --> 01:47:40.270
<v Sam>was unintentionally very involved because the secret nuclear tests were messing

01:47:40.270 --> 01:47:45.570
<v Sam>up film because they were exposing film.

01:47:45.750 --> 01:47:52.350
<v Sam>And Kodak actually had to do a variety of things to make film that was less

01:47:52.350 --> 01:47:59.290
<v Sam>sensitive to what was happening in the Nevada tests and also keeps secret all

01:47:59.290 --> 01:48:05.190
<v Sam>of the stuff that was going on here because it's just their...

01:48:06.730 --> 01:48:11.030
<v Sam>They were sensitive to what was happening.

01:48:11.230 --> 01:48:14.350
<v Sam>So even when they weren't like officially brought into the loop,

01:48:14.510 --> 01:48:16.910
<v Sam>it was like, oh, look, something's happening.

01:48:17.450 --> 01:48:20.510
<v Sam>Right. And there's a whole story. I don't remember the details.

01:48:20.650 --> 01:48:24.470
<v Sam>There's some YouTube videos about it. you can go look it up about Kodak's involvement

01:48:24.470 --> 01:48:27.890
<v Sam>in the Manhattan project and how this,

01:48:27.890 --> 01:48:34.510
<v Sam>the, the, the photo sensitivity of film in terms of detecting radiation from

01:48:34.510 --> 01:48:37.370
<v Sam>tests was a big deal and they had to deal with it anyway.

01:48:37.450 --> 01:48:39.630
<v Ivan>Yeah, I can believe that. Yeah. So, all right.

01:48:39.710 --> 01:48:40.510
<v Sam>I think, I think we're done.

01:48:40.910 --> 01:48:41.430
<v Ivan>We're done.

01:48:41.630 --> 01:48:47.770
<v Sam>Okay. Thanks everybody for joining us once again, you know, all the stuff stay safe.

01:48:48.710 --> 01:48:52.610
<v Sam>I got, I, you know, they'll probably complain to me about sound again.

01:48:52.770 --> 01:48:55.610
<v Sam>Cause I've got like a little bit of echo going. Wow. Sound good.

01:48:55.830 --> 01:48:57.110
<v Ivan>You sound good on my end.

01:48:57.290 --> 01:49:00.530
<v Sam>So, well, no, I hear myself coming back through you. I don't know.

01:49:00.770 --> 01:49:03.470
<v Sam>Anyway, whatever, whatever.

01:49:05.910 --> 01:49:09.850
<v Sam>Stay safe. Have a good week. We'll see you next time. Goodbye.

01:49:10.590 --> 01:49:11.030
<v Ivan>Bye.

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<v Sam>Okay there it goes i'm gonna hit stop later yvonne bye Thank you.

