WEBVTT 00:00:00.590 --> 00:00:03.310 Are you lying to me? 00:00:03.650 --> 00:00:05.050 Yes, we're all lying. 00:00:06.030 --> 00:00:11.650 Here we go. Let's see. Blah, blah, blah. Song. Here comes song thing. 00:00:32.890 --> 00:00:38.570 Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Saturday, November 16th, 2024. 00:00:39.350 --> 00:00:44.830 It is just after 18 UTC as we are starting to record. I'm Sam and Trayvon Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne. 00:00:44.990 --> 00:00:45.170 Hello. 00:00:45.970 --> 00:00:53.930 So last time we talked was our mega six and a half hour live stream of the election night. 00:00:53.930 --> 00:01:01.730 You know, you just reminding me now that that that that was the last time that 00:01:01.730 --> 00:01:07.890 we spoke just made me feel a tinge of just just just angst. 00:01:09.150 --> 00:01:12.750 Yeah. Yes. Yes. 00:01:12.750 --> 00:01:23.170 Apparently, it was very clear on video, as your wonderful and worried mom saw, 00:01:23.550 --> 00:01:27.630 that I was not thrilled in any way, shape, or form. 00:01:28.010 --> 00:01:33.470 Yes, my mother watched the replay of the live stream, or parts of it. 00:01:33.590 --> 00:01:34.890 She skipped around, I guess. 00:01:35.430 --> 00:01:42.870 Not the whole six and a half hours. But she sent me a text after it expressing 00:01:42.870 --> 00:01:48.730 concern for Yvonne's well-being because of how depressed he sounded at the end of the evening. 00:01:48.910 --> 00:01:51.850 Not misguided concern, mind you. 00:01:51.990 --> 00:01:58.650 Not that I, you know, your mom doesn't know, has met me and knows me, but not that well. 00:01:59.050 --> 00:02:06.150 But, you know, I did not have, my following days after that were not good. 00:02:06.150 --> 00:02:10.890 But I didn't sleep that night at all. I tried. 00:02:11.330 --> 00:02:16.490 I worked the next day. But one thing is that happened that was interesting, 00:02:16.490 --> 00:02:21.370 that the next day, almost everybody, all my meetings, 00:02:22.150 --> 00:02:26.470 that my counterparty, I was like, look, I'm powering through this, 00:02:26.590 --> 00:02:27.670 whatever. I got to do meetings. 00:02:27.850 --> 00:02:31.830 I got to, you know, we got to get to work next day. It's nothing to do. They all canceled them. 00:02:32.390 --> 00:02:32.950 Mm-hmm. 00:02:32.950 --> 00:02:36.790 I mean not because i even said anything or because i mean there were external 00:02:36.790 --> 00:02:41.110 meetings there weren't even internal so it's not like you know they would have any clue and they. 00:02:41.110 --> 00:02:44.870 And knowing your job they they probably weren't u.s meetings either right. 00:02:44.870 --> 00:02:50.350 And well no but remember one thing they were mostly with puerto rico so it's 00:02:50.350 --> 00:02:55.290 not exactly like they're okay right right right and that day was also an election 00:02:55.290 --> 00:02:57.510 day that day in puerto rico uh, 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.380 The elections are held on the same day as a presidential election. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.180 Puerto Rico only has, there are no midterms. 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.180 It's only everybody. Everybody is at four-year terms. 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:13.620 Senate, House, mayors, all elected positions of Puerto Rico are four years. 00:03:13.760 --> 00:03:19.980 So basically, it's only one big election every four years, and it's a public holiday. Okay? 00:03:20.480 --> 00:03:20.800 Okay. 00:03:21.160 --> 00:03:28.940 So everybody's off. There's really no excuse to do that. But but there is, 00:03:29.160 --> 00:03:36.020 you know, Trump winning does have a significant impact on Puerto Rico. 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:41.100 You know, they are not like they're isolated from this in any way, 00:03:41.220 --> 00:03:43.580 shape or form. On the contrary, they're very exposed. 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:50.580 Now, the in Puerto Rico, the person that won the election for governor, 00:03:50.900 --> 00:03:55.660 which was actually probably one of the tightest ones in a long time. 00:03:57.020 --> 00:04:00.700 Or maybe competitive. There have been closer ones. 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:08.720 But the thing is that there were three candidates that got over 25% of the vote, okay? 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:15.680 So that was, you know, there were three candidates that got a lot of the electorate, okay? 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:20.460 And coming in second place, not that distant from the winner, 00:04:20.780 --> 00:04:25.340 was somebody that has advocated for the independence of Puerto Rico. 00:04:25.340 --> 00:04:32.400 They came by 35% with 35%. Now, I do know that they allied themselves with a 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:34.680 lot of people that are not independent supporters. 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:40.360 And he had pledged that the status of Puerto Rico was not going to be, 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:43.600 you know, he said, look, I'm here to govern. 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:45.860 That's, that's a separate issue. 00:04:46.140 --> 00:04:50.360 Okay. Okay, so he was trying to say that don't take the fact that I advocate 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:55.460 independence as something that is material besides all of you know that that's 00:04:55.460 --> 00:04:57.740 that decision is not even up to us. It's up to Congress. 00:04:58.420 --> 00:05:04.200 So, you know, it's so so he got about 35 percent. The winner got 40 percent of the vote. 00:05:04.340 --> 00:05:08.960 Now, interesting thing about the winner, who is a pro statehood person, 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.420 is that how politics in Puerto Rico are weird. 00:05:13.840 --> 00:05:18.680 She had beaten out the incumbent governor in the primary in May. 00:05:19.020 --> 00:05:25.400 Okay? She is from the same party. They primaried the governor and she won. Okay? 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:25.780 Mm-hmm. 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:33.000 The the the current governor, which, you know, his term ends pretty soon is 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.380 aligned with in the U.S. with the Democrats. 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:44.320 However, this person has been a pro Trump person that that that one. 00:05:44.640 --> 00:05:51.120 OK, so the only thing that I can say is in terms of and she's another grifter 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:57.700 like all these people are. So she's just doing it for them, you know, for the BS. 00:05:57.900 --> 00:06:03.080 But I guess the one thing that that may be just the positive in terms of Puerto 00:06:03.080 --> 00:06:10.940 Rico is that because she has been sucking up to him so much that she could probably 00:06:10.940 --> 00:06:16.660 soften the blow of whatever might impact Puerto Rico because of all this sucking up. 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:24.260 And I say might because, as we all know, Trump will backstab anybody, you know, for anything. 00:06:24.260 --> 00:06:25.260 So before we get too much deeper. 00:06:25.260 --> 00:06:31.040 That was my thing. But listen, a lot of people that week in Puerto Rico, 00:06:31.220 --> 00:06:36.560 for whatever reasons, we started saying, well, I think Puerto Rico got a bout of electionitis. 00:06:37.220 --> 00:06:37.660 Okay. 00:06:37.780 --> 00:06:41.500 Because people weren't showing up to work the rest of the week. 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:44.140 Okay. They just got you. It was a holiday on Tuesday. 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.540 The election results. A lot of people were very, very sorely disappointed, 00:06:48.540 --> 00:06:51.540 and they just didn't show up to work the rest of the week. 00:06:51.700 --> 00:06:57.300 I mean, I wound up with so many canceled meetings, probably until Friday, I will say. 00:06:57.460 --> 00:07:00.880 Then people started like, actually, amazingly enough, some people showed up 00:07:00.880 --> 00:07:04.240 on Friday. I'm like, Jesus Christ, now we guys are showing up so anyway. 00:07:04.420 --> 00:07:07.400 Okay, so let's complete the little intro. 00:07:08.320 --> 00:07:14.100 Our agenda is, as usual, we're going to do this starting segment with a couple 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:18.240 of less newsy things, although I think a legitimate less newsy thing, 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.080 even though it's kind of newsy, is the kind of stuff you've been talking about, 00:07:21.420 --> 00:07:24.500 the sort of emotional reaction to the election results. 00:07:24.960 --> 00:07:28.720 And then we're going to have two segments, one with topics picked by Yvonne 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.220 and one with topics picked by me. 00:07:30.500 --> 00:07:37.280 I'm going to go out on a limb right now and say, I am guessing we are still 00:07:37.280 --> 00:07:41.200 going to be primarily election related for this episode. 00:07:41.700 --> 00:07:46.300 And maybe one of those segments will predominantly be looking back at like what 00:07:46.300 --> 00:07:49.860 happened and the other one is going to be okay now what the fuck is donald trump 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:54.640 doing you know now i know yvonne is sort of sick of the, 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.880 retrospective what did the democrats do wrong conversation kind of stuff but 00:08:00.880 --> 00:08:04.200 i'm going to talk a little bit about that kind of stuff and how polling did 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:08.600 and all that kind of stuff in in my segment if he doesn't pick it i will mention 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.440 i'm not we have a comment i'm. 00:08:10.440 --> 00:08:14.740 Not picking that shit i i don't i i i'm gonna be blunt i have. 00:08:14.740 --> 00:08:16.820 Yes you're sick of everything, 00:08:18.070 --> 00:08:22.610 Ah, well, and I think that honestly, this is, this is actually part of the part 00:08:22.610 --> 00:08:25.210 of, and I think this is okay for the, but first segment. 00:08:25.750 --> 00:08:35.550 There are a lot of people who's on the left, whose response to this has been crap. I'm out. 00:08:36.090 --> 00:08:39.090 Yeah ever i'm not gonna pay attention to the news anymore 00:08:39.090 --> 00:08:41.970 yeah i'm i like i gotta go heal 00:08:41.970 --> 00:08:44.790 myself i'm gonna like go spend time with my 00:08:44.790 --> 00:08:48.390 family i'm not paying attention to any of this shit and donald 00:08:48.390 --> 00:08:51.210 trump is gonna go wild and do whatever the hell he's 00:08:51.210 --> 00:08:53.990 gonna do and what one of one of the von 00:08:53.990 --> 00:08:57.150 suggested topics was like it's not worth getting 00:08:57.150 --> 00:09:00.250 outraged over what was completely expected right you 00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:03.630 know i forget the exact words but something along those lines right and and 00:09:03.630 --> 00:09:07.170 i was gonna to mention we have we have a comment on the live stream right now 00:09:07.170 --> 00:09:12.430 from sean who specifically says couldn't bring myself to listen to the live 00:09:12.430 --> 00:09:18.130 stream episode i've been looking forward to this one instead so because i mean yeah. 00:09:18.130 --> 00:09:19.630 Don't die yeah you know. 00:09:19.630 --> 00:09:24.610 I was actually listening to the live stream episode as i published it which 00:09:24.610 --> 00:09:30.030 was shortened from the six and a half hours to under four hours simply by taking 00:09:30.030 --> 00:09:32.630 out like the silences where we were 00:09:32.630 --> 00:09:36.110 just like because We were waiting for information and results. No, I know. 00:09:36.410 --> 00:09:39.350 So that's one of the things about, you know, about that, that published a good 00:09:39.350 --> 00:09:42.230 later that, yeah, we, you know, you have to cut that out because we were like, 00:09:42.590 --> 00:09:44.690 well, you know, we've got 15 minutes until. 00:09:44.690 --> 00:09:48.730 Until the point is, I was actually listening to it earlier today, 00:09:49.410 --> 00:09:52.010 listening while I was doing some stuff around the house. 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:57.510 I was listening to bits of it and you, you can see the progression as we are 00:09:57.510 --> 00:10:04.070 going through the night of like, you know, Yvonne was sort of pessimistic from the start. 00:10:04.450 --> 00:10:07.750 I came in exactly. I said my word was glum. 00:10:07.930 --> 00:10:14.190 I was not, I was not, I was not positive at all. 00:10:14.230 --> 00:10:19.870 And where I was, where I was, was, you know, election graphs had been predicting 00:10:19.870 --> 00:10:22.570 a Trump win confidently for over a year. 00:10:22.910 --> 00:10:26.770 And so, and at the end, the stats were. 00:10:27.030 --> 00:10:27.270 Correct. 00:10:27.390 --> 00:10:30.090 Oh God. What were my final numbers? 00:10:30.430 --> 00:10:34.590 You were like dead. You know, you were as as 60. 00:10:34.990 --> 00:10:39.450 63 and a half percent Trump win odds was my final number. 00:10:40.210 --> 00:10:48.430 And but as Vito in the movie, my cousin Vinny said, you were dead on balls accurate. 00:10:49.290 --> 00:10:49.990 Yeah. 00:10:52.030 --> 00:10:57.330 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, yes. 00:10:57.530 --> 00:10:59.550 Unfortunately, we're dead on Balzac. 00:10:59.750 --> 00:11:03.970 If anything, like the polls underestimated Trump again. 00:11:04.390 --> 00:11:10.450 And my models basically said, hey, the more often than not, over the last four 00:11:10.450 --> 00:11:13.190 election cycles, the polls have underestimated a Republican. 00:11:13.430 --> 00:11:16.310 So probably they're going to do so again. 00:11:16.490 --> 00:11:22.810 And there you go. um and we'll talk about that later but i was saying like you 00:11:22.810 --> 00:11:27.330 could see over the course of the evening yvonne started out pessimistic i started 00:11:27.330 --> 00:11:34.990 out yeah yeah election graph said 63 percent trump but i had allowed myself to buy into a lot of 37. 00:11:34.990 --> 00:11:37.090 Percent i mean you know the reality. 00:11:37.090 --> 00:11:44.330 No i know 30 37 percent yeah i mean and i was like one in 2016 with yeah i mean 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:47.210 his odds were like 14% in 2016. 00:11:47.550 --> 00:11:54.950 But my take at the beginning of the evening is I feel good about that 30-something 00:11:54.950 --> 00:12:01.150 percent because there have been all of these sorts of signs that maybe there's 00:12:01.150 --> 00:12:02.910 a lot of extra women voters. 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:06.890 Maybe the polls are underestimating the women voters. 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:10.510 Maybe blah, maybe blah. None of those things turned out to be true. 00:12:10.750 --> 00:12:15.330 And over the course of the evening, you could hear us, Like there's a whole 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:19.270 section of the podcast where Yvonne and I are getting excited about Ohio. 00:12:19.490 --> 00:12:19.790 Right. 00:12:20.250 --> 00:12:24.230 And like, oh, look, there's some blue numbers in Ohio. That was a mirage. 00:12:24.370 --> 00:12:26.150 It all disappeared like an hour and a half later. 00:12:26.190 --> 00:12:26.310 Yeah. 00:12:26.590 --> 00:12:30.050 But like we were excited for a while that, oh, my God, Ohio looks like it, 00:12:30.530 --> 00:12:32.510 you know, something's happening in Ohio. 00:12:33.370 --> 00:12:41.210 And and yeah, sort of by the end, the glumness was everywhere, you know, and I mean. 00:12:41.310 --> 00:12:47.370 We listen and nobody else. I spoke to a number of people that had gone to sleep 00:12:47.370 --> 00:12:49.950 and they were like, ah, you know. 00:12:50.510 --> 00:12:52.430 Harris still sort of a toss up when they went to sleep. 00:12:52.490 --> 00:12:56.090 No, no. But they were like optimistic, like, ah, in the morning, Harris will pull it out. 00:12:56.530 --> 00:13:03.610 That woke up in complete shock and texted me about their shock the next day. 00:13:04.530 --> 00:13:09.670 But, you know, we knew already before midnight. It was like, fuck. 00:13:10.510 --> 00:13:14.850 You know, this is, this is over. I mean, it was like, look, I mean, 00:13:14.930 --> 00:13:17.370 is we, we, what we kept saying consistently. 00:13:17.370 --> 00:13:20.810 It looked worse and worse and worse. 00:13:20.950 --> 00:13:24.950 Why is it, you know, we kept questioning, why is it DDHQ calling it yet? 00:13:25.090 --> 00:13:28.690 They've called it before. Is there something that we're missing because we're 00:13:28.690 --> 00:13:32.210 looking at their data and this looks like it could be called already. 00:13:32.930 --> 00:13:38.530 And, you know, give credit to a DDHQ who, in recent elections, 00:13:38.750 --> 00:13:45.930 doing this, they've been the ones that have quite accurately early or than everybody have. 00:13:45.930 --> 00:13:49.150 Made hq's specific thing is that 00:13:49.150 --> 00:13:54.110 they went into business and i i i had some back and forth exchanges with like 00:13:54.110 --> 00:14:00.210 one of the founders a few years back but their whole thing was that hey there's 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:07.550 nobody competing with AP in the election results gathering mechanism. 00:14:08.050 --> 00:14:12.630 And we think we can be faster. We think we can get the data faster and we think 00:14:12.630 --> 00:14:13.930 we can make calls faster. 00:14:14.090 --> 00:14:20.770 And they basically built out an on-ground network of volunteers who were at 00:14:20.770 --> 00:14:26.670 the tabulation centers all over the country, running with the results as soon as they were available. 00:14:26.850 --> 00:14:30.530 And they just started beating ap on speed right and then there and then on the 00:14:30.530 --> 00:14:35.310 calls they're just more aggressive than any of the network callers or the major 00:14:35.310 --> 00:14:36.990 but they're aggressive but. 00:14:36.990 --> 00:14:38.330 They've been accurate let's. 00:14:38.330 --> 00:14:41.370 Be clear about this it's not like i i i think 00:14:41.370 --> 00:14:44.630 in the entire time ddhq has been around there's 00:14:44.630 --> 00:14:47.990 been maybe once that they had to retract a call and 00:14:47.990 --> 00:14:50.930 you know but but they're very they're very good 00:14:50.930 --> 00:14:56.250 that is it's uh they it once they make a call you can be pretty sure i mean 00:14:56.250 --> 00:14:59.490 and they're not always first on every call like when when i was tracking it 00:14:59.490 --> 00:15:03.970 on election night i was like i'll count it as a call if anybody calls it yeah 00:15:03.970 --> 00:15:08.270 you know yeah but they were always first but almost a lot. 00:15:08.270 --> 00:15:11.490 Yeah they're first on most of them and let's be clear. 00:15:11.490 --> 00:15:11.830 They're the. 00:15:11.830 --> 00:15:15.910 Ones that at 120 in the morning called it for trump i mean they didn't they 00:15:15.910 --> 00:15:21.570 it was like officially they they flipped it at at 120 in the morning eastern 00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:25.830 u.s it was you know yeah it's done it's over right But, you know, it was, 00:15:26.050 --> 00:15:31.310 you know, it was, I mean, they were the first ones to absolutely buy a lot, by the way. 00:15:31.670 --> 00:15:31.830 Yeah. 00:15:32.150 --> 00:15:33.010 And it was. 00:15:33.010 --> 00:15:36.770 They called the house like days before other people called the house as well. 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:37.410 Yeah. 00:15:37.770 --> 00:15:40.670 But, yeah, so reaction wise, I'll tell you, 00:15:40.950 --> 00:15:53.070 you know, I am disappointed, but it is not the kind of shock that people felt in 2016. You know. 00:15:53.270 --> 00:15:54.010 It's different. 00:15:54.050 --> 00:15:54.690 At least to me. 00:15:54.690 --> 00:15:57.890 But here's the thing, it's different. To me, it's worse. 00:15:59.030 --> 00:16:06.910 Because we know who he is. Back then, we didn't know how he was planning to govern. We know now. 00:16:07.830 --> 00:16:12.190 You know, a lot of people had this thing back in 2016, you know, 00:16:12.250 --> 00:16:14.410 they were saying, oh, now he's going to be presidential. 00:16:16.010 --> 00:16:17.650 Exactly. How quaint of that. 00:16:17.690 --> 00:16:20.890 Well, you know, the thing is, even this time around, though, 00:16:21.010 --> 00:16:25.770 you hear lots of people saying, well, we didn't think he'd actually do that. 00:16:25.930 --> 00:16:27.690 Like, even with the stuff he's already done. 00:16:27.890 --> 00:16:31.450 Like in this last week. What's going to be the case? 00:16:32.430 --> 00:16:32.870 I. 00:16:32.870 --> 00:16:39.070 I did that entire fucking, oh, well, I didn't think he was going to do that. 00:16:39.690 --> 00:16:43.330 I'm like, what rock have you been lying under? 00:16:43.330 --> 00:16:46.990 There are all sorts of Republicans expressing dismay at his cabinet picks so 00:16:46.990 --> 00:16:48.890 far. And it's like, you're like. 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:54.090 Really? Actually, I gotta be honest. Maybe I was more pessimistic. 00:16:54.290 --> 00:16:56.510 I actually, I expected even worse. 00:16:57.150 --> 00:17:00.030 Well, yeah. Like, I mean, honestly, like, I was surprised. 00:17:00.650 --> 00:17:02.450 Why is it Steve Bannon on the cabinet already? 00:17:02.870 --> 00:17:08.050 Right. Well, give him time. But like, you know, but I was surprised, 00:17:08.050 --> 00:17:14.570 like Rubio, like he's a scumbag, but he's relatively normal. 00:17:14.790 --> 00:17:18.710 Yeah, exactly. Compared to the scumbag scale of normality, he's more closer 00:17:18.710 --> 00:17:22.210 to the normal side. So I was like, wow, Rubio, damn. 00:17:22.750 --> 00:17:26.870 I mean, literally, I expected, you know, I don't know, Flynn. 00:17:27.770 --> 00:17:28.670 Alex Jones. 00:17:28.970 --> 00:17:30.990 Or Alex Jones. Yeah, sure. 00:17:31.250 --> 00:17:33.890 Yes, yes. but i was. 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:42.250 Like but but also in my mind my whole thing is that it doesn't matter whoever 00:17:42.250 --> 00:17:46.190 any of these people are because he's going to disregard whatever the fuck they 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:47.690 say anyway for the most part. 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:50.890 Yeah yeah yes 00:17:50.890 --> 00:17:53.610 there are a couple things and i i 00:17:53.610 --> 00:17:56.950 guess throw the agenda out the window we're just talking about 00:17:56.950 --> 00:18:00.750 whatever but one of 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:04.210 the things i've noticed is you know 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:10.530 in a couple weeks leading up to the election there was a whole lot of look how 00:18:10.530 --> 00:18:17.070 confused donald trump seems look how old he seems whatever he seems to be have 00:18:17.070 --> 00:18:23.370 been reinvigorated by winning at the very least like And sure you're seeing like. 00:18:23.390 --> 00:18:26.050 Well, let's be clear this. 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:26.390 Yeah. 00:18:27.090 --> 00:18:31.750 The stress level on him. Forget about the fact that I think he's a loathsome asshole. 00:18:31.850 --> 00:18:37.710 I'm just talking about the fact, look, he knew it's either I win or I'm going to jail. 00:18:38.510 --> 00:18:43.950 Those were, the options were that stark. 00:18:44.470 --> 00:18:50.690 Well, I think even if he'd lost, he could stretch out the appeals to when he died anyway. 00:18:50.990 --> 00:18:57.890 But he knew that the possibility of that being a reality sooner rather than later was quite high. 00:18:58.270 --> 00:19:04.250 Okay. And, you know, probably like losing money, tons of money. 00:19:04.250 --> 00:19:15.930 You know the the losing was a terrible prospect for him his only really true salvation was to win. 00:19:17.530 --> 00:19:20.470 But my yeah my point 00:19:20.470 --> 00:19:23.450 is like looking forward to how donald will be 00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:26.330 i'd say like there are 00:19:26.330 --> 00:19:29.370 a few possibilities here and i don't know 00:19:29.370 --> 00:19:34.010 yet which is actually going to play out one is 00:19:34.010 --> 00:19:38.270 all donald really cared about is what you were just talking about he wanted 00:19:38.270 --> 00:19:42.530 to get out of jail and he will just sort of go to the white house and kick back 00:19:42.530 --> 00:19:47.790 and let the other people pardon them run whatever their agencies you know like 00:19:47.790 --> 00:19:50.970 he doesn't well he's never cared about policy and. 00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:54.590 He never cared about governing. I mean, look, that was very evident. 00:19:54.810 --> 00:19:57.890 It's like the whole thing about infrastructure weeks on and on and on. 00:19:58.990 --> 00:20:03.730 There are a handful of things he seems to actually care about in terms of like 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:06.670 lower taxes, hate immigrants. Okay. 00:20:07.190 --> 00:20:12.070 And basically anything else, it doesn't seem like he actually gives a fuck. Okay. 00:20:12.610 --> 00:20:18.750 And, and so I could see in a lot of areas, is him appointing these people, 00:20:18.870 --> 00:20:23.250 appointing them for their loyalty, not for any policy things, 00:20:23.450 --> 00:20:26.630 and then just letting them run wild as long as they don't embarrass him. 00:20:27.030 --> 00:20:29.690 If they embarrass him, it changes the equation. 00:20:29.910 --> 00:20:31.970 Right. He will get rid of them as soon as possible. 00:20:33.010 --> 00:20:38.930 But the other possibility is that he does decide that, you know, 00:20:39.050 --> 00:20:44.670 hey, here's a set of things. I want my retribution. I want my revenge. 00:20:44.950 --> 00:20:48.110 That's another thing he cares about, aside from the other policy things. 00:20:48.790 --> 00:20:54.310 And that he's going to drive that. And that's the thing he cares about. 00:20:54.310 --> 00:20:59.590 And, you know, nobody's going to get in the way of that. And then we see where we go. 00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:06.430 I don't know. And also like if, if the, what I was trying to say is it seems 00:21:06.430 --> 00:21:09.210 like the, oh, Donald Trump is getting senile thing. 00:21:09.690 --> 00:21:13.570 He seems to be somewhat better since the election. 00:21:13.830 --> 00:21:18.530 I don't know if that'll last or whatever, but, or maybe it was all a ruse. 00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:21.910 Maybe it was like, that'll win me the election. I don't know. 00:21:22.570 --> 00:21:27.930 I do think that there is definitely a – I think that a lot of that had to do 00:21:27.930 --> 00:21:29.730 with a substantial level of exhaustion. 00:21:29.730 --> 00:21:30.190 The stress. 00:21:30.530 --> 00:21:35.290 And stress. I think that that definitely had a lot to do with it. 00:21:35.630 --> 00:21:37.350 He's probably sleeping pretty well now. 00:21:37.470 --> 00:21:41.330 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He's probably sleeping pretty well. 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:46.030 I'm sure he was not – I'm sure he wasn't sleeping very well leading up to the election at all. 00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:49.970 Right. And so I do think that that is definitely a big factor. 00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:54.710 And it certainly seemed like in the last week or so, we talked about this on 00:21:54.710 --> 00:21:55.470 the live stream a little bit. 00:21:55.610 --> 00:21:59.550 It seemed like in the live, in the live stream, in the last week before the 00:21:59.550 --> 00:22:05.030 election, Donald Trump had convinced himself that he was losing. 00:22:06.270 --> 00:22:09.710 Or at least he was very discouraged by it because he was, you know, 00:22:09.790 --> 00:22:12.870 no one was showing up to his rallies. They were leaving early. 00:22:12.970 --> 00:22:19.950 And it, it seemed like at least from the coverage I was seeing that enthusiasm 00:22:19.950 --> 00:22:22.310 for Trump was really, really down. 00:22:23.050 --> 00:22:27.330 Enthusiasm for Harris seemed really, really high. She was having these big, 00:22:27.490 --> 00:22:32.730 exciting rallies and people were very positive in that last week or so. 00:22:33.230 --> 00:22:37.210 Now, I talked to my daughter, had an interesting conversation earlier this week. 00:22:37.310 --> 00:22:40.410 The online spaces she's in, she's in a bunch of political discords, 00:22:40.630 --> 00:22:44.090 including a bunch that include Trump supporters. 00:22:44.630 --> 00:22:52.410 And the online zeitgeist in that last week was exactly the opposite of what 00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:59.210 I just described from my viewpoint, where like all of your sort of Trump bros in their 20s, 00:23:00.130 --> 00:23:04.730 We're all excited and all positive and all. And she's like, they were all over 00:23:04.730 --> 00:23:06.890 the place. The meme game was strong. 00:23:07.210 --> 00:23:09.970 The Harris people were barely visible at all. 00:23:10.350 --> 00:23:15.330 And so she was like, she was like, I found it amusing that any Harris people 00:23:15.330 --> 00:23:16.550 thought they were going to win at all. 00:23:16.750 --> 00:23:19.010 Because everything I was seeing was Trump. 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:23.910 And she was mentioning like, you know, something I had been aware of, 00:23:24.070 --> 00:23:29.710 but barely, I don't know if you heard the story. there was this famous internet squirrel. 00:23:30.050 --> 00:23:31.310 Do you know about this? 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:32.190 No. 00:23:32.330 --> 00:23:35.610 Okay. See, you don't even know. I knew about the internet squirrel and what 00:23:35.610 --> 00:23:41.070 happened and that there was, the MAGA folks were taking advantage of it. Here's the scenario. 00:23:41.370 --> 00:23:46.150 There was this family, they rescued a baby squirrel. They were keeping it as a pet. 00:23:46.510 --> 00:23:51.830 They had like TikTok and other things of like the crazy antics of this squirrel. 00:23:52.030 --> 00:23:55.890 They also ended up with a raccoon. So they had a squirrel and a raccoon and 00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:00.070 they were both internet famous and like all kinds of attention, blah, blah, blah. 00:24:00.630 --> 00:24:08.390 And some rando in a completely different state called the authorities on them 00:24:08.390 --> 00:24:12.930 because apparently wherever they lived, it was illegal to keep wild animals as pets. 00:24:13.610 --> 00:24:20.090 And so the authorities raided their house in force, like a whole bunch of armed 00:24:20.090 --> 00:24:26.750 officers came, took the squirrel, took the raccoon, and then euphemized them 00:24:26.750 --> 00:24:28.450 in order to test them for rabies. 00:24:29.070 --> 00:24:29.710 Okay. 00:24:30.430 --> 00:24:37.090 And so apparently the Trumpsters all over the place were memeing this squirrel, 00:24:37.270 --> 00:24:38.750 whose name was Peanut, by the way, 00:24:39.070 --> 00:24:47.370 and describing this as a massive overreach of government that's exemplary of like Democrats. 00:24:48.110 --> 00:24:50.930 What state, let me ask a question. What state were they in? 00:24:51.600 --> 00:24:52.780 I think they were in New York. 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:53.360 Okay. 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:58.960 I forget. I forget. Don't trust me on that. But in any case, 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:07.260 this squirrel that has absolutely nothing to do with presidential politics. Zero. 00:25:07.760 --> 00:25:11.420 But they were making the connection. Anyway, the point is apparently in this 00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:18.740 last week in that universe, like the, the, the, the Trumpies were all excited 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:21.740 and all positive and the Harris folks were basically absent. 00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:29.800 And, you know, so there's this whole like division of media ecosystems is a big part of all this. 00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:36.900 Like, like the view you get of the universe is entirely different depending 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:39.140 on where you are looking for that information. 00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:45.580 You know, and so like my view that, hey, this last week looks really positive 00:25:45.580 --> 00:25:47.640 for Harris and Trump looks depressed. 00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:50.640 Yeah, wasn't exemplary of the population. 00:25:50.840 --> 00:25:54.240 But but but look, population at large. 00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:59.480 Let's let's go. Let's go back to, you know, their results themselves. 00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:01.140 Yeah. Yeah. 00:26:02.450 --> 00:26:08.230 Trump basically got the same number of votes that he got the last time around. 00:26:09.150 --> 00:26:12.870 So the whole thing, I think that, you know, we kept talking about enthusiasm 00:26:12.870 --> 00:26:18.530 is that this thing about people not showing up to his rallies and doing this stuff was a fake out. 00:26:18.810 --> 00:26:22.350 I mean, these people were still very hardcore. They just didn't want to go see 00:26:22.350 --> 00:26:25.610 him at a rally. I mean, and to be fair, his rallies suck. 00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:32.910 I mean, you know, it's like, you know, I get that. But, you know, 00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:36.390 they obviously still showed up at the ballot. 00:26:36.850 --> 00:26:43.470 And not just that, but, you know, what you mentioned about young people specifically, 00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:50.950 about young men more specifically, because there was a big dichotomy between women and men. 00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:52.270 Yes. 00:26:53.070 --> 00:26:54.410 But younger men. 00:26:54.710 --> 00:26:58.110 For that particular age group, the gender gap was bigger than any other. 00:26:58.110 --> 00:27:05.150 The gender gap in general did not show up the people way, the way people expected it to like, 00:27:05.310 --> 00:27:09.570 cause lots of women ended up voting for Donald Trump, but in that age group 00:27:09.570 --> 00:27:14.570 specifically, like the under 30, under 25, that gap was huge, 00:27:15.210 --> 00:27:19.610 huge with men leaning towards Trump and women leaning towards Harris. 00:27:19.610 --> 00:27:29.810 And it's this, I will say that, and it's more like, I mean, very strongly with 00:27:29.810 --> 00:27:31.310 white men specifically. 00:27:31.610 --> 00:27:31.850 Yes. 00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:38.070 You know, I had mentioned on our Slack that I had seen a few things online specifically. 00:27:38.070 --> 00:27:40.250 I didn't know anything about the squirrel, but. 00:27:40.610 --> 00:27:41.270 Yes. 00:27:41.270 --> 00:27:48.630 But what I had observed over the last few years, and I'd seen in some postings 00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:50.630 by younger people repeatedly, 00:27:51.290 --> 00:27:57.150 was quite more affinity, especially amongst white people. 00:27:58.450 --> 00:28:02.670 Men and women, younger ones, for Trumpism. 00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:12.310 You know, it's just, it's just, and it was a little bit, I found it quite a 00:28:12.310 --> 00:28:16.050 little bit just repulsive. 00:28:16.050 --> 00:28:20.750 I'm like, okay, you guys, you young people want a future where, 00:28:20.750 --> 00:28:30.490 you know, I guess rights, the rights that we have fought for decades aren't there. 00:28:31.050 --> 00:28:40.790 And, you know, there is a lot of white male, especially younger resentment out there. 00:28:41.010 --> 00:28:43.310 And it's evident in a lot of statistics. 00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:49.050 And we've talked about this in terms of who the fuck are the damn, you know. 00:28:49.890 --> 00:28:56.350 School shooters, the educational attainment right now of young men, 00:28:56.610 --> 00:29:02.150 the fact that they're a minority versus women at that age group, 00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:08.370 the fact that once this shows that that group is not having anywhere nearly 00:29:08.370 --> 00:29:10.250 as much sex as we used to have. 00:29:10.250 --> 00:29:14.090 And that there is a lot of sexual resentment as 00:29:14.090 --> 00:29:16.790 well specifically you know 00:29:16.790 --> 00:29:21.670 like one of the phrases that i saw is like you know man that that some of these 00:29:21.670 --> 00:29:27.270 bros throughout it was just disgusting it's like women would say my body my 00:29:27.270 --> 00:29:33.070 choice and they were like throwing it back your body my choice right i mean 00:29:33.070 --> 00:29:36.590 that's that's just beyond offensive and these guys yeah apparently. 00:29:36.590 --> 00:29:41.350 There was one conservative influencer who went on a rant and said that and then 00:29:41.350 --> 00:29:45.190 it got imitated all over the place and kids at middle school were saying that 00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:46.630 like little boys in middle school. 00:29:46.630 --> 00:29:47.410 Were saying that to. 00:29:47.410 --> 00:29:49.050 The girls there and it's just like. 00:29:49.050 --> 00:29:54.890 I mean it's like I mean I mean these people like think it's cool, 00:29:55.710 --> 00:30:00.090 to basically that that they they should have the right to say what the fuck 00:30:00.090 --> 00:30:06.370 a woman does and with their body that that violence against them is fine especially 00:30:06.370 --> 00:30:07.970 if I get what I want Thank you. 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:16.660 And how it's, I don't know, I guess that they feel that, you know, 00:30:16.820 --> 00:30:22.340 they're being blamed for a lot of bad conduct. 00:30:24.760 --> 00:30:28.960 And I'm like, wait a minute, they're being blamed. Because they're doing it, damn it. 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.080 I mean, yeah. you 00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:43.560 guys are decided that being lazy misogynist is great and that women should just 00:30:43.560 --> 00:30:51.540 you know be you know therefore you're you know there should just well you'll know to you and. 00:30:51.540 --> 00:30:53.480 There's a whole media ecosystem. 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.240 That that's all about amplifying that and taking. 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:03.060 Advantage of it because there And there was one TikTok creator I saw that was 00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:09.640 like, hey, when did the geeks turn into MAGA assholes, the geeks and nerds? 00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:13.000 And they answered it with, no, that's not what happened. 00:31:13.260 --> 00:31:16.300 It's lonely people, more generally. 00:31:16.620 --> 00:31:25.180 And that getting preyed upon by grifters and influencers who identified that 00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:29.700 demographic as a demographic that they could easily manipulate, 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.240 make money off of, whatever. 00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:36.360 And, you know, I don't know. 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.300 There's not like... 00:31:42.370 --> 00:31:46.530 Acting in the way let's just put it this way acting in the way they are acting 00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:49.970 is not going to solve their problem with women no. 00:31:49.970 --> 00:31:52.250 Not at all no. 00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:58.910 It's it's going to make it worse completely the opposite like these same people 00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:05.130 are out there talking about how we need to get the birth rates up not this way 00:32:05.130 --> 00:32:09.650 not this way you know uh but. 00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:16.250 But but look here's a reality about that that vote in grid still. 00:32:16.250 --> 00:32:19.170 Relatively small yes it's. 00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:21.150 Not it's not i don't it. 00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:25.670 Doesn't look like it was a decisive factor we talk about we talk about the the 00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:31.210 youth and how the youth trended red but if you overall look at all the age groups 00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:36.710 one of the things that i found extremely interesting is over 65s went blue right 00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:39.810 that hasn't happened in a long long time. 00:32:40.510 --> 00:32:43.650 Like probably since Johnson or something. I don't know. 00:32:43.870 --> 00:32:48.070 Like, you know, and, and yeah, over 65s went blue. 00:32:48.290 --> 00:32:53.990 The, the younger groups, the under 30, under 25 groups also went blue, 00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:58.850 by the way, like less blue than people would have liked, or they have been in 00:32:58.850 --> 00:33:00.650 the past, but they still went blue overall. 00:33:00.890 --> 00:33:05.190 When you add both the men and the women and the whites and the non-whites and 00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:07.170 the educated, but they went blue by a little bit. 00:33:08.870 --> 00:33:14.170 The generational chunk that went red is where Yvonne and I sit. 00:33:14.650 --> 00:33:19.470 Now, the different surveys had different actual age ranges. It doesn't exactly 00:33:19.470 --> 00:33:21.110 tie to Generation X or whatever. 00:33:21.390 --> 00:33:26.490 No, because they keep adding people that were born to 1959. And I'm like, no, guys, no, I'm sorry. 00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:26.890 Yeah. 00:33:27.290 --> 00:33:30.630 I'm sorry. Nobody born for 464 is Gen X. No. 00:33:31.170 --> 00:33:34.130 But basically people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. 00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:38.110 Went red yeah you know early early people oh yeah. 00:33:38.110 --> 00:33:40.890 Early 60s and older and younger both went blue, 00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:47.630 which but again with the the youngest group less blue than expected because 00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:54.310 of you know basically the white men well not not just the white men because 00:33:54.310 --> 00:33:57.930 part you know if we're talking about these trends and things like almost every 00:33:57.930 --> 00:34:01.270 demographic group went redder than it had been before. 00:34:01.270 --> 00:34:04.370 Yeah yeah yeah but it 00:34:04.370 --> 00:34:07.850 was like that one was you know considering how the overall demographic 00:34:07.850 --> 00:34:10.530 was blue that was a 00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:18.030 pronounced that that was a that was a a something that stuck out amongst that 00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:22.310 group specifically but but again the reality is that that's not that big a group 00:34:22.310 --> 00:34:24.490 the reality is more what you talked 00:34:24.490 --> 00:34:30.010 about it was like in the middle okay between the 40 to 65 age range, 00:34:30.310 --> 00:34:37.870 where that was, that went the other way, but it goes also back to, 00:34:38.830 --> 00:34:41.010 the whole turnout thing that we talked about. 00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:46.570 Yeah, we actually started, and I distracted you. Basically, the bottom line, 00:34:46.650 --> 00:34:51.210 and this is looking less dramatic than it did on the day after election as votes 00:34:51.210 --> 00:34:52.630 keep coming in from California and such. 00:34:52.970 --> 00:34:57.270 But the bottom line seems to be, like as much as everybody's talking about this 00:34:57.270 --> 00:35:02.090 big swing to the right and towards the Republicans, what really seems to have 00:35:02.090 --> 00:35:05.850 happened is Donald Trump held on to his vote from 2020. 00:35:06.010 --> 00:35:06.230 Yep. 00:35:06.230 --> 00:35:12.710 Whereas the Democrats lost a bunch of people like Donald Trump's overall numbers 00:35:12.710 --> 00:35:15.850 will be slightly higher popular vote wise than they were in 2020. 00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:18.070 But not dramatically so. 00:35:18.370 --> 00:35:21.930 A couple million higher is according to the most recent count, 00:35:22.050 --> 00:35:22.810 but they're still counting. 00:35:23.230 --> 00:35:28.430 But on the Democratic side, there was a huge drop off. 00:35:28.550 --> 00:35:33.650 There were lots and lots of people who voted for Joe Biden who did not vote for Kamala Harris. 00:35:34.530 --> 00:35:36.670 And I will say that a lot of the data. 00:35:36.790 --> 00:35:38.790 What they show. A lot of them didn't show up to vote at all. 00:35:38.850 --> 00:35:42.150 They didn't show up to vote at all. And a lot of people. 00:35:42.530 --> 00:35:43.490 It's not that they necessarily converted to Trump. 00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:50.490 If you look at the data more deeply in terms of what was the number one thing 00:35:50.490 --> 00:35:55.350 that they said was the issue was it was all related to prices and inflation. 00:35:56.370 --> 00:36:01.850 And AOC went and like asked people why they split tickets and why they voted for her and for Trump. 00:36:01.850 --> 00:36:05.330 And for whatever the hell reason, these, a lot of people, 00:36:05.610 --> 00:36:10.450 they, they believe, well, they, they were frustrated that I guess that Biden 00:36:10.450 --> 00:36:15.490 didn't do a better job with, with, with, with income and prices, 00:36:15.770 --> 00:36:19.590 even though all the data shows that the U.S. 00:36:19.690 --> 00:36:22.130 Did better than any other fucking country in the world. 00:36:23.210 --> 00:36:26.730 It was just, he had a bad hand dealt to him. 00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:31.530 And well and that brings up like i was going to get to this in a little bit but, 00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:38.090 there in terms of the nitpicking sort of what could harris have potentially 00:36:38.090 --> 00:36:42.830 done better and stuff i i have a handful of things that i would have said but 00:36:42.830 --> 00:36:48.010 and i will list a couple but here's the thing i think there is compelling evidence 00:36:48.010 --> 00:36:52.370 that even if you changed all of those things 00:36:52.490 --> 00:36:59.710 all you would have done was make it closer trump still would have won yeah um for. 00:36:59.710 --> 00:37:01.170 Example the whole gaza thing. 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:02.650 Yeah there. 00:37:02.650 --> 00:37:08.870 Is nothing there was nothing that biden i think could have done that would have 00:37:08.870 --> 00:37:12.550 helped in terms of the in terms of the vote as a matter of fact. 00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:13.090 It's pretty. 00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:21.390 It's pretty evident that on the Jewish side of the vote, he got 70 plus percent 00:37:21.390 --> 00:37:24.190 of Jewish voters nationally. Okay? 00:37:24.510 --> 00:37:30.510 So they basically were aligned with what the Biden administration had been doing. 00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:37.730 However, it was a big dramatic shift amongst Muslims, which they dropped their support. But... 00:37:38.350 --> 00:37:41.310 Here's a reality. Whatever the fuck Biden did. 00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:48.210 OK, say, for example, Biden cut off all armed supplies and cut off Israel completely. OK. 00:37:49.010 --> 00:37:50.450 What would happen to that Jewish vote? 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:51.330 Right. 00:37:51.710 --> 00:37:55.930 I mean, there was a no that was this whole thing. 00:37:56.330 --> 00:38:00.290 Electorally, it was a no win situation. Like, yeah, I mean, you can argue what 00:38:00.290 --> 00:38:01.810 was the morally right thing to do. 00:38:01.930 --> 00:38:04.450 But if you're talking from a pure, like, oral point of view. 00:38:04.450 --> 00:38:10.550 There was no winning. There was nothing to do to win. 00:38:10.790 --> 00:38:14.210 Nothing. You couldn't do anything that was a winner. 00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:22.730 And, you know, the thing that I what I what you and I had said about this was 00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:29.250 that a lot of those voters that decided to go and support Trump because they 00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:31.870 thought Biden didn't do a good job for the Palestinians. 00:38:31.870 --> 00:38:38.670 With some expectation that what that that with the idiotic expectation that 00:38:38.670 --> 00:38:44.410 somehow Trump was going to do a solid to them was insane as well, 00:38:44.430 --> 00:38:50.490 because they just couldn't accept that what Biden had done wasn't what they wanted, 00:38:50.670 --> 00:38:56.710 which I understand that they're unhappy with what the what the outcome of the policy has been. 00:38:56.910 --> 00:39:02.310 And I get it. I don't think anybody is happy with it, including Biden himself, like right now. 00:39:02.890 --> 00:39:07.770 But at the same time, voting for somebody that was going to actively make it 00:39:07.770 --> 00:39:12.270 worse wasn't a fucking good idea. 00:39:12.930 --> 00:39:21.710 Your thing was like, hey, I got shitty right now, not good, not good, or horrible. 00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:28.490 And you guys actively voted for horrible because now they've realized, 00:39:28.490 --> 00:39:34.510 oh we saw the cabinet selections that Trump did I guess he played us I'm like. 00:39:35.310 --> 00:39:38.650 No, you guys are stupid. He didn't play you. 00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:47.550 I mean, it was obvious to anybody that had the gift of breathing that that's what he was going to do. 00:39:48.110 --> 00:39:54.170 And you, you somehow deluding yourself that that was going to do what? 00:39:54.170 --> 00:40:01.530 And so that was a significant move, especially in certain areas like Michigan, 00:40:01.630 --> 00:40:04.890 for example, where it probably did matter. 00:40:04.890 --> 00:40:11.910 Right. The one thing I will give sort of on this, things they could have done 00:40:11.910 --> 00:40:17.230 differently, tact, before I talk a little bit more about why it doesn't matter in the end, 00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:21.490 is I will say there was a tonal shift. 00:40:21.850 --> 00:40:25.450 And I talked about this on the show before the election too. 00:40:25.630 --> 00:40:32.630 The Harris campaign did a tonal shift in the last month or so that I think did not work out. 00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:37.790 Like if I look at my, if I look at election graphs.com and look at the charts, 00:40:38.110 --> 00:40:42.350 specifically my odds chart, it's the one who magnifies this effect and makes it easiest to see. 00:40:43.470 --> 00:40:49.730 From the moment she got in until roughly the Harris Trump debate, 00:40:49.730 --> 00:40:54.670 for the most part, Harris was improving her position week over week. 00:40:54.770 --> 00:40:58.270 There was a flat part in the middle, but so if you look at the shape of the 00:40:58.270 --> 00:41:01.850 curve, dramatic improvement, then a flat part, then some more improvement. 00:41:02.390 --> 00:41:07.430 But, you know, right after the debate, like right when the effects of the debate 00:41:07.430 --> 00:41:12.750 started impacting all the polls, I had her up to a 75.5% chance of winning. 00:41:13.430 --> 00:41:16.070 And then that started deteriorating. 00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:20.350 Okay. I will argue that this is one thing that happened. Okay. All right. 00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:24.130 I don't think it had to do with the tonal shift. What I will say is this. 00:41:24.230 --> 00:41:25.310 The debate was a disaster. 00:41:25.750 --> 00:41:28.390 Simple. The debate was a disaster for Trump. 00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:31.910 No, no, no. The debate was a complete disaster for Trump. 00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:36.200 And what did he decide to do? Let's not have another fucking debate. 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.360 Because people's memories are short. And so he decided... 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.900 No additional debate, plus he stopped showing up anywhere other than safe media. 00:41:46.060 --> 00:41:52.300 Exactly. Period. And, you know, by the way, this had the same... 00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:56.820 In 2016, this had the same effect, where he decided just to not show up, 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:01.100 you know... Remember how they basically took away his phone back then? 00:42:01.100 --> 00:42:04.560 And that basically, you know, helped. It's the same thing. 00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:11.740 The lead people, you know, putting him on another national debate two weeks 00:42:11.740 --> 00:42:14.620 before the election probably would have lost them the election. 00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:19.860 It probably would have. It probably would have. But now so that peak for Harris 00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:22.280 was on September 14th, according to my charge. 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.120 That's when she was at the best possible position. 00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:30.480 Now, I agree with the point you made. I will say, like, I think there is a tonal difference. 00:42:30.700 --> 00:42:35.980 Like if you look before and after that, before that, there was a lot of emphasis 00:42:35.980 --> 00:42:42.980 on sort of the joyful campaign, Harris, positive aspects of Harris herself. 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:46.660 She was talking about her own biography. She was talking about things. 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.140 We had the Walls' weird thing was in that case. But it just totally, 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:58.600 not just any one of those things, but it was a positive campaign prior to that moment. 00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:03.800 After that moment, and it's almost exactly right around that moment, 00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:10.100 I haven't looked up the exact dates, but they seem to shift to Trump is dangerous, 00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:12.180 the threat to democracy. 00:43:12.600 --> 00:43:16.200 Yeah, and that didn't work in 2016 and it didn't work again now. Nobody cares. 00:43:16.200 --> 00:43:20.960 Right. And they started to shift to everything's dangerous about Trump. 00:43:21.140 --> 00:43:26.860 They started to like have all these rallies with with with Cheney and all that kind of stuff. 00:43:27.020 --> 00:43:33.820 And they started to seem to be really leaning into trying to get sort of never Trump Republicans. 00:43:34.520 --> 00:43:36.540 But I feel like that was. 00:43:37.190 --> 00:43:44.290 A bad trade-off. First of all, if any never-Trump Republican was already either 00:43:44.290 --> 00:43:49.090 not voting or was for you anyway, you weren't going to convert more people that way. 00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:55.350 And you did turn off some people on the left who are like, I can't believe you're 00:43:55.350 --> 00:43:57.510 fucking on the same stage with Cheney. 00:43:58.230 --> 00:44:01.070 But more to the point is what you were saying. 00:44:01.330 --> 00:44:07.430 Not only does nobody care, A lot of that actually seems positive to people. 00:44:08.410 --> 00:44:14.350 Dangerous is something that people like. And one of the things that poll after 00:44:14.350 --> 00:44:18.090 poll after the election, like a lot of the action polls have pointed to, 00:44:18.550 --> 00:44:21.250 were fundamentally people wanted change. 00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:27.410 And if you see somebody as dangerous and a disruptor, they're the ones who are going to bring change. 00:44:27.770 --> 00:44:31.970 Whereas Harris was defending the institutions that lots of people are like, 00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:33.410 well, those institutions aren't working. 00:44:33.550 --> 00:44:37.530 Why are you even defending those? And I think that tonal change, 00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:43.430 like prior to the middle of September, I think Harris was hitting on things that were working. 00:44:43.930 --> 00:44:52.330 And then for some reason, they shifted to like these things that hadn't worked 00:44:52.330 --> 00:44:57.770 before and didn't work again in terms of trying to scare people about Donald 00:44:57.770 --> 00:45:00.470 Trump instead of make people excited about Harris. 00:45:00.470 --> 00:45:08.710 Like in in like in in august people were excited about harris and. 00:45:08.710 --> 00:45:14.610 Okay that was people were excited even towards the end but i do think that bottom line you. 00:45:14.610 --> 00:45:15.290 Know what i mean though. 00:45:15.290 --> 00:45:20.630 No but it's it's just it's just what i said again about what is the one thing 00:45:20.630 --> 00:45:24.350 that that that that really when you know, 00:45:25.430 --> 00:45:31.210 Might have helped two things to, to, I think that seeing Donald Trump again 00:45:31.210 --> 00:45:36.590 in a debate showing you his lack of grasp of anything, 00:45:36.590 --> 00:45:41.570 just basically being an idiot on stage would have done two things. 00:45:41.570 --> 00:45:44.890 A, would have depressed his turnout. B, it would have pumped up Harris. 00:45:45.210 --> 00:45:51.610 Bottom line. I really think that in debates, we talk about debates don't matter. 00:45:51.790 --> 00:45:55.490 But the reality is that the stark contrast between the two of them couldn't 00:45:55.490 --> 00:45:58.930 have been bigger. And I think. 00:45:58.930 --> 00:45:59.850 That- So what's the other thing? 00:46:00.010 --> 00:46:03.550 Because Trump, obviously, his team was smart. They didn't allow that. 00:46:03.930 --> 00:46:07.810 Well, I think that by not doing that- Is there something Harris. 00:46:07.810 --> 00:46:08.310 Could have done? 00:46:08.490 --> 00:46:12.090 I don't think that there's much Harris could have done. Like I mentioned again, 00:46:12.490 --> 00:46:16.850 this whole thing with, you talked about the whole change thing. 00:46:16.950 --> 00:46:20.290 And when people go and say that 50% of them were worried about inflation, 00:46:20.970 --> 00:46:27.070 even though inflation has gone down and they're in their mind for some reason. 00:46:27.330 --> 00:46:31.270 A number of people think that when an average person says inflation, 00:46:31.310 --> 00:46:34.610 they don't mean inflation. They mean absolute prices. 00:46:34.890 --> 00:46:41.130 Right. So they think that somehow, well, things were cheaper when Donald was 00:46:41.130 --> 00:46:44.310 here. So he will make things cheaper again. 00:46:44.650 --> 00:46:45.170 Yes. 00:46:45.290 --> 00:46:53.990 When he has not proposed a single thing that would make anything cheaper for anybody. 00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:58.330 Not one. As a matter of fact, quite the opposite. it. 00:46:59.630 --> 00:47:05.790 So, well, and this ties to the general thing that, and I mean, 00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:09.390 the Democrats have to figure out how to deal with this reality. 00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:16.250 Cause I think they just don't deal with this reality that most people have absolutely 00:47:16.250 --> 00:47:19.250 no conception how American government works. 00:47:20.040 --> 00:47:27.240 They just don't. And so everything is like, did it happen while Joe Biden was 00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:29.620 president? It's his fault. End of story. 00:47:29.860 --> 00:47:34.120 Yeah, but look, listen, the inflation thing was an issue. 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:41.440 But I will also say that the way that Trump peeled off certain specific groups 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.640 that the Democrats have no answer for, 00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:51.020 that I believe have caused why Florida and Texas also became so much redder. 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:56.780 That is something that neither the Biden campaign or the Harris campaign have 00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:03.780 done anything good about, and I have railed about this specifically for a very long amount of time. 00:48:04.040 --> 00:48:10.140 More specifically around the whole communist thing, because I don't know what the hell he's doing. 00:48:10.340 --> 00:48:13.540 The manosphere thing, you just mentioned to me what the fuck was going on on 00:48:13.540 --> 00:48:18.320 there. I don't know, But I do know that in this community, the one thing is 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.660 that the Democratic messaging has been terrible. 00:48:21.640 --> 00:48:25.900 Two things that are going on, and I do think that that also influenced a lot 00:48:25.900 --> 00:48:31.980 of the younger people that went red. Homophobia. 00:48:33.680 --> 00:48:37.860 Transphobia. And that that shifted a lot of those young men that we're talking 00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:41.560 about because they've been talking about that, but also a lot of Hispanic voters. 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:50.020 Look, in my experience, compared to Europe, North America, Latin America is 00:48:50.020 --> 00:48:52.960 far more homophobic and transphobic. Way more. 00:48:53.600 --> 00:49:00.100 Way more. And that banging on those commercials that he was doing about all 00:49:00.100 --> 00:49:03.460 these trans shit, okay, that he was repeated over and over. 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:09.660 I know. That had an effect. I still remember I was at a dinner table a while 00:49:09.660 --> 00:49:11.300 back where I heard three people. 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.640 Basically, you know, worried about this straw man that they were talking about. 00:49:17.060 --> 00:49:20.940 Well, you know, there are these kids at school and, you know, 00:49:21.060 --> 00:49:23.180 they teach them how to be transgender. 00:49:23.300 --> 00:49:26.620 And I don't know why the hell they're doing that at the schools and blah, blah. 00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:30.700 And I'm like, these are three people that are reasonable, but they're listening 00:49:30.700 --> 00:49:32.080 to this and they're believing it. 00:49:32.560 --> 00:49:42.540 Okay. And look, that together with the whole Democrats are communists shit, okay, 00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:49.400 peeled off that group in vast numbers, okay, in many places, okay? 00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:56.100 That's why Texas went redder. That's why Latinos went redder in so many other places. 00:49:56.100 --> 00:50:00.400 It's those two fucking messages. And the Democrats have not had a good counter 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.160 to that message. They have not done anything, okay, at all to counter that in 00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:06.460 that community properly. 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:11.500 I heard some people talking about this specifically in terms of, 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:15.200 like, you mentioned all of these anti-trans ads. 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.600 The Harris campaign basically ignored them, did not respond to them. 00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:19.840 Yeah. 00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:24.800 Like, not in terms of her speeches, not in terms of counter-advertising, nothing. 00:50:25.020 --> 00:50:29.980 And I forget which podcast it was, some random political podcast. 00:50:29.980 --> 00:50:36.140 They were talking about this and saying a huge portion of Democrats when they 00:50:36.140 --> 00:50:39.920 hear about some of these things like, oh, 00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:45.260 you know, trans girls playing in girls sports. 00:50:45.520 --> 00:50:47.760 That's not a real issue. Who cares? 00:50:48.720 --> 00:50:54.360 Like and whereas and therefore dismissing it and not engaging with it at all. 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.160 Not engaging it. That's right. 00:50:55.160 --> 00:51:02.100 Because whereas whereas for huge numbers of people justified or not, it is an issue. 00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:02.580 Yeah. 00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:05.180 So, yeah, you can't just say it's an issue. 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.200 Exactly. They totally believe it's an issue. 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.500 And it's like so you can't just say, oh, that's bullshit nonsense. 00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:16.180 Like nobody can possibly actually care about that. 00:51:16.740 --> 00:51:21.920 You do so at clearly your own peril because people do care about it. 00:51:22.220 --> 00:51:22.300 They do care. 00:51:22.300 --> 00:51:27.960 And if you want to convince them that it's not an issue, or they shouldn't care 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.820 about it, or that they're on the wrong side of the issue, whatever, you have to engage. 00:51:33.220 --> 00:51:36.940 You can't just dismiss it and say, oh, you're stupid for even thinking. 00:51:36.940 --> 00:51:40.260 Dude, it's the same thing as the whole communist thing. I'm telling you right 00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:45.280 now, the Democrats have not engaged on that at all, on the communist tag. 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.900 And they don't understand how that has, for example, 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:53.360 why the hell with the Cubans, Venezuelans, a whole bunch of people that left 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:59.180 regimes that were like that, where they hear the Republicans basically tag, 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:00.980 all these communists are coming for you. 00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:09.320 And there is no, no, no, not one iota of a counter message at all. 00:52:09.580 --> 00:52:09.660 Right. 00:52:10.570 --> 00:52:14.950 And then, unfortunately, you know, we wind up, hey, even the fucking, listen. 00:52:15.230 --> 00:52:17.130 The Republicans have fucking Mark Rubio. 00:52:17.630 --> 00:52:19.370 Even on the economy side. 00:52:19.630 --> 00:52:23.630 Right? You were talking about inflation being, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. 00:52:23.830 --> 00:52:27.670 Oh, it's like, oh, come on, people, look at the numbers. The economy is good. 00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:28.490 Right. 00:52:29.590 --> 00:52:34.270 And just like, if you're worried about inflation, then you're obviously not 00:52:34.270 --> 00:52:38.270 paying attention. you're obviously misguided because inflation is way down from 00:52:38.270 --> 00:52:40.670 where it was and it's back to normal and blah, blah, blah. 00:52:40.990 --> 00:52:44.030 And that's not acknowledging. Another thing I heard people. 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:46.510 Comment on- I think you got to acknowledge it and you got to explain what the 00:52:46.510 --> 00:52:48.310 plan is and not just say, oh, whatever. 00:52:48.730 --> 00:52:53.050 Well, and this is one thing, I think AOC said this in response to like, 00:52:53.230 --> 00:53:00.710 you mentioned, she had asked people who voted for both her and Trump to sort of explain themselves. 00:53:00.710 --> 00:53:07.310 And I saw an interview with her reacting to how people had responded to that question. 00:53:07.410 --> 00:53:11.330 One of the things she said is that, yes, 00:53:11.510 --> 00:53:18.290 Democrats have all of these plans that would address a lot of these concerns, 00:53:18.290 --> 00:53:23.590 but what the Democrats have not been good at. 00:53:24.570 --> 00:53:28.690 Meanwhile, the Republicans don't have plans that would address these concerns 00:53:28.690 --> 00:53:30.770 and, in fact, often have plans that would make them worse. 00:53:31.230 --> 00:53:39.650 But, she said, the Republicans are doing one thing that the Democrats just have 00:53:39.650 --> 00:53:41.050 not been doing properly. 00:53:41.430 --> 00:53:45.510 And that's the old Bill Clinton thing. I feel your pain. 00:53:45.810 --> 00:53:47.050 I feel your pain. 00:53:47.210 --> 00:53:52.790 They start out with acknowledging, yes, you have a concern. 00:53:52.790 --> 00:53:59.430 Concern and this is what we're doing and this is what we're going to do and that first part it's. 00:53:59.430 --> 00:54:04.610 Just the democrats reputation at this point is sort of dismissing concerns oh 00:54:04.610 --> 00:54:06.670 yeah yeah yeah you shouldn't care about that. 00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:07.470 That's stupid things. 00:54:07.470 --> 00:54:08.170 Are actually fine. 00:54:08.170 --> 00:54:11.930 You're an idiot you don't get it okay which you are an idiot but you know but 00:54:11.930 --> 00:54:17.130 at the same time you know but you don't want to come off exactly exactly i i 00:54:17.130 --> 00:54:21.190 can't you know it's yeah i mean you know like i can't say that to my wife you 00:54:21.190 --> 00:54:23.170 know, doesn't work very well. 00:54:23.490 --> 00:54:27.850 You know, doesn't work very well. Don't work very well. But here's another one. 00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:32.330 I once tried the line, and just for any reference, this does not work well. 00:54:32.650 --> 00:54:37.850 I said, I am not saying you are stupid. I am saying you are ignorant. 00:54:39.190 --> 00:54:42.030 Yeah, well, I'm surprised you're still alive. 00:54:43.850 --> 00:54:47.350 Look, but but also, look, here's another one where they should have, 00:54:47.450 --> 00:54:50.290 like, repeatedly hammered Trump on it. 00:54:50.790 --> 00:54:53.850 Because, OK, if you look at the top concerns that they had, the other one was, 00:54:54.150 --> 00:55:00.610 you know, the economy, the the the trans stuff and the immigration part, the immigration part. 00:55:01.050 --> 00:55:05.730 Man, you could have destroyed Trump on that one because there was a deal to 00:55:05.730 --> 00:55:08.270 solve the problem. And who blocked it? Trump. 00:55:08.890 --> 00:55:10.770 They kept trying to say that. No one cared. 00:55:11.110 --> 00:55:16.310 No, but Sam, you know, just like they were running that trans ad over and over. 00:55:16.710 --> 00:55:17.150 Yeah. 00:55:17.570 --> 00:55:18.810 That's what you needed to do. 00:55:19.650 --> 00:55:22.630 Wall-to-wall ads about, like, we tried to fix it. 00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:25.170 Trump blocked it. Trump blocked it. 00:55:26.070 --> 00:55:26.510 Right. 00:55:26.910 --> 00:55:30.410 You know, and you have the quotes from him to say it. 00:55:30.770 --> 00:55:33.890 And that's the thing. The ads, like you mentioned, you know, 00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:37.350 moved away from, like, what the hell was doing to his work or whatever. 00:55:37.350 --> 00:55:46.230 Man you know why aren't you you know counter hammering them with with that non-stop you know. 00:55:46.230 --> 00:55:49.570 Well and the other thing that's been pointed out and look 00:55:49.570 --> 00:55:52.690 this has been a recurring problem we talked about it four years ago eight years 00:55:52.690 --> 00:55:59.650 ago too the democrats do a really bad job at promoting their own actual accomplishments 00:55:59.650 --> 00:56:06.510 like the biden administration actually got a shit ton done But you almost never 00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:08.130 heard them crowing about it. 00:56:08.450 --> 00:56:13.090 Like, and not just like, not just in the period right before the election, 00:56:13.330 --> 00:56:15.610 but like the whole damn four years. 00:56:15.790 --> 00:56:24.170 Look, listen, I'm going to raise my hand here and also recognize that I do the same at work. 00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:27.670 OK, you know, there is and there is I, 00:56:27.810 --> 00:56:34.590 you know, and I understand I have very difficult issue with me just crowing 00:56:34.590 --> 00:56:40.430 about how I did my job very well, which is my fucking job anyway. 00:56:40.890 --> 00:56:45.230 OK, and I just did it really well. I don't. 00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:47.530 Is your problem saying this too much or not enough? 00:56:47.850 --> 00:56:50.850 Oh, no, I don't say it at all. I don't say it much at all. 00:56:51.370 --> 00:56:56.910 OK, I don't do it. OK, it wound up on multiple people, you know, 00:56:57.070 --> 00:56:58.670 taking credit for shit I did. 00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:05.920 OK, which sometimes did move me to do it. OK, but I don't I don't naturally. 00:57:06.460 --> 00:57:11.280 I don't naturally do that. I actually made a point this year that I got. 00:57:11.420 --> 00:57:18.440 Look, I got awarded club sales club at my company and not many people get it. 00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:24.140 OK, this is this is, you know, you know, it's it's a very small subset of the 00:57:24.140 --> 00:57:27.380 out of tens of thousands of people that get this award. Okay. 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.820 And this year, because I know that I have not done this, I actually went and 00:57:31.820 --> 00:57:37.860 I'm like, fuck, I need to post about this because normally I don't want to post 00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:40.440 a damn thing about this, but that doesn't help me. 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.280 Okay and but it but 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.740 to me it's very difficult for 00:57:46.740 --> 00:57:49.660 me to want to to do that 00:57:49.660 --> 00:57:52.520 okay and i think that that's part of 00:57:52.520 --> 00:57:55.240 part of it but also i think a big part of the 00:57:55.240 --> 00:57:58.860 problem is that a lot of the things that the democrats do take 00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:02.020 time well it's not just that they take time it's just 00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:05.060 it's like hey we made it so 00:58:05.060 --> 00:58:09.440 you know the the the it's 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.860 vaccines were more accessible for example and 00:58:12.860 --> 00:58:18.040 easier is this such a diluted effect thing because it's not like something or 00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:22.000 it's not like the check it's not like what donald trump did remember there's 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:27.900 a check with my name on it exactly right and that fucker went and like added 00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:31.960 the name to it and there were people that went And people went and asked, 00:58:32.080 --> 00:58:36.080 and they thought that Donald Trump sent them a check from his own money. 00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:40.860 Personally. Personally from his own money. Yes. And meanwhile, 00:58:41.720 --> 00:58:47.760 the Democrats just sort of, first of all, they can't implement everything they 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.680 want to because they're stopped by the way our system works. 00:58:51.700 --> 00:58:57.020 But even when they do successfully implement something, they just quietly are 00:58:57.020 --> 00:58:58.800 like, hey, we made people's lives better. 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.640 That should be enough. Meanwhile, you have all kinds of Republican senators 00:59:02.640 --> 00:59:05.180 and representatives going out 00:59:05.180 --> 00:59:12.040 claiming credit for shit that the Democrats passed and they voted against. 00:59:13.580 --> 00:59:16.700 Well, look, it's like the whole thing with the Affordable Care Act, right? 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.620 What's happened with the Affordable Care Act is something that the effect is 00:59:23.620 --> 00:59:26.340 one that unfolded over many years. 00:59:27.220 --> 00:59:31.000 It wasn't like a, you know, it wasn't the check that you got signed with, 00:59:32.110 --> 00:59:36.290 you know, with Obama's name on it. The changes were profound, 00:59:36.290 --> 00:59:39.830 and they unfolded over many years. 00:59:40.150 --> 00:59:44.490 And it had significant impact on the lives of a lot, a lot of people. 00:59:44.630 --> 00:59:47.970 But the thing is that it's very difficult to explain, hey, 00:59:48.270 --> 00:59:55.770 how all of a sudden people with chronic diseases are not met with lifetime limits 00:59:55.770 --> 00:59:58.910 on how much their insurance pays, where all of a sudden their insurance says, Well, 00:59:59.070 --> 01:00:03.790 oh, there was a cap, you know, we pay only up to $2 million and okay, you run out of money. 01:00:04.090 --> 01:00:08.790 Sorry, tough shit. You know, you're fucked. We're not paying another dime. 01:00:09.410 --> 01:00:14.750 Or the whole thing with pre-existing conditions where you could be denied coverage 01:00:14.750 --> 01:00:18.990 because you had pre-existing conditions from one insurance company to another, 01:00:19.170 --> 01:00:20.090 which that was eliminated. 01:00:20.410 --> 01:00:24.530 Those are things that have profound effect on millions of people. 01:00:24.530 --> 01:00:27.330 Well and not the effect is so diluted and 01:00:27.330 --> 01:00:31.290 happens over time that even people like the other day somebody was being asked 01:00:31.290 --> 01:00:35.370 well i want him to repeal obamacare but i want him to leave the affordable care 01:00:35.370 --> 01:00:41.390 act intact and you're like you you fucking moron and you know i'm sorry yeah 01:00:41.390 --> 01:00:45.950 this is the attitude of the lose well yeah well yeah fuck you you're an idiot i was. 01:00:45.950 --> 01:00:49.470 About to mention the name confusion there like they did try to put obama's name 01:00:49.470 --> 01:00:51.830 on it well first the Republicans put his name on it. 01:00:51.990 --> 01:00:54.710 And then Obama was like, yeah, I'll own that. That's Obamacare. 01:00:54.890 --> 01:00:59.930 But then everybody hates Obamacare because it's Obamacare. 01:01:00.290 --> 01:01:02.130 But they love the Affordable Care Act. 01:01:02.510 --> 01:01:07.850 And similarly, you see regularly polls with lists. 01:01:08.210 --> 01:01:13.150 Just back to this election, there are polls listing a whole bunch of Kamala 01:01:13.150 --> 01:01:16.990 Harris policy positions versus Donald Trump policy positions. 01:01:16.990 --> 01:01:22.930 The harris policy position if they were not attached to her name yeah oh they 01:01:22.930 --> 01:01:29.170 were overwhelming great yeah they were overwhelming favorites the trump policies 01:01:29.170 --> 01:01:33.430 were not liked the harris policies were liked but once you attach their names 01:01:33.430 --> 01:01:34.650 to it that changes entirely, 01:01:35.670 --> 01:01:40.270 because it's all the sort of tribal thing i wanted to get back to one thing 01:01:40.270 --> 01:01:44.970 because i promised i'd say here's why all the like there are all kinds of criticism 01:01:44.970 --> 01:01:47.670 you could give about like harris could have done this better or that better 01:01:47.670 --> 01:01:50.710 or this better or that better. But in the end, I don't think they matter. 01:01:50.910 --> 01:01:53.390 And I wanted to get back to that and then we'll take a break. 01:01:54.770 --> 01:01:59.830 There is a really good chart that's been going around that was from the Financial 01:01:59.830 --> 01:02:02.710 Times that shows this really well. 01:02:02.830 --> 01:02:06.330 It shows all of the elections in, 01:02:07.430 --> 01:02:10.750 major developed countries going back 01:02:10.750 --> 01:02:13.670 all the way to like world war ii okay 01:02:13.670 --> 01:02:17.170 okay and it shows how much 01:02:17.170 --> 01:02:24.230 the governing party in national elections gained or lost in each individual 01:02:24.230 --> 01:02:33.450 year so you can see for instance in i don't know let's pick a year in 1980 you 01:02:33.450 --> 01:02:36.790 know when ronald reagan won here It went from, 01:02:37.010 --> 01:02:44.490 on the one hand, nearly 10% down for the ruling party up to up by like 5% in 01:02:44.490 --> 01:02:46.010 the ruling party going nationwide. 01:02:46.010 --> 01:02:51.350 And you see this going all of these decades. 01:02:51.570 --> 01:02:58.250 And in almost every year, one trend that's true, like if you look across this 01:02:58.250 --> 01:03:02.390 entire 80-year timeframe or whatever, 01:03:02.770 --> 01:03:05.470 almost every year, ruling parties 01:03:05.470 --> 01:03:09.270 do lose ground more often than they gain ground, which is interesting. 01:03:09.270 --> 01:03:14.710 So that means that like throw the bums out is a recurring thing forever. Okay. 01:03:15.250 --> 01:03:26.270 But 2024, where the entire world was still reacting to the COVID initiated inflation 01:03:26.270 --> 01:03:34.690 crisis is the first year in that entire time span where every, 01:03:34.950 --> 01:03:42.290 every governing party anywhere in the developed world lost ground. 01:03:42.610 --> 01:03:48.050 Every single one. Regardless if they were conservative parties or liberal parties, 01:03:48.230 --> 01:03:52.870 left, right, sideways, they all lost ground. 01:03:53.230 --> 01:03:57.070 And the speculation, and again, maybe there's not direct evidence, 01:03:57.210 --> 01:04:03.330 but there's a lot of evidence to point you in this direction is it was related 01:04:03.330 --> 01:04:10.490 to people just being upset by the continued after effects of the pandemic. 01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:15.170 Now, obviously, like the main pandemic year was a couple of years ago, 01:04:15.210 --> 01:04:17.870 but we still had inflation effects. 01:04:18.010 --> 01:04:21.310 We still have lingering economic effects of other sorts. 01:04:21.510 --> 01:04:26.870 We still have people having bad feelings about restrictions that they were under at various points. 01:04:26.970 --> 01:04:29.970 That was less so here in the US, more so in some other countries, 01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:33.910 and everywhere lost ground. But. 01:04:35.070 --> 01:04:41.090 The Democrats in the U.S. lost less ground than any other developed country 01:04:41.090 --> 01:04:42.430 in our elections this time. 01:04:43.370 --> 01:04:49.390 Like, you know, it is like two to three percent down in terms of how much they lost. 01:04:49.590 --> 01:04:54.090 Now, we were close enough that that made the difference between winning and losing. 01:04:54.530 --> 01:05:00.550 But we did better than any other freaking country in terms of how little the 01:05:00.550 --> 01:05:04.210 ruling party lost in elections this year. 01:05:04.210 --> 01:05:09.510 And so I think that actually speaks to how good Kamala Harris did, 01:05:09.750 --> 01:05:14.070 Kamala Harris did, in terms of running her campaign. 01:05:14.530 --> 01:05:17.430 Yeah, I can quibble about this. Yeah, I can quibble about that. 01:05:17.590 --> 01:05:23.230 Yeah. Now, especially looking back in retrospect, it's very easy to point out 01:05:23.230 --> 01:05:25.530 things that you say, maybe she could have done better. 01:05:25.890 --> 01:05:34.470 But in the end, her and her campaign did better than any governing party in 01:05:34.470 --> 01:05:37.930 the developed world at their reelection attempts this time around, 01:05:38.090 --> 01:05:39.970 in terms of how little they lost ground. 01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:44.150 Now, some of those parties had enough headroom that they stayed in power. 01:05:44.350 --> 01:05:48.710 Some did not. but she did, she did really well. 01:05:48.950 --> 01:05:52.950 Like she lost in the end. I wish she would have won. I wish she would have done 01:05:52.950 --> 01:05:54.250 a little bit better still. 01:05:54.650 --> 01:05:59.170 But the bottom line is like, you know, given the circumstances, 01:05:59.170 --> 01:06:02.930 she kind of kicked ass, even though she lost. 01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:07.470 There's, there's a phrase that goes out like, you know, sometimes you can do 01:06:07.470 --> 01:06:09.670 everything perfectly and still lose. 01:06:09.670 --> 01:06:14.130 I have lived through that many times, unfortunately, and I know, 01:06:14.290 --> 01:06:17.530 you know, you can, yeah, it, uh, 01:06:18.130 --> 01:06:24.050 but I, but I do think that there is one thing that the Democrats need to address, 01:06:24.050 --> 01:06:28.610 and it's the whole messaging part, specifically around like, 01:06:28.770 --> 01:06:31.830 like those core subjects and how, 01:06:32.210 --> 01:06:37.790 like you mentioned, the first 45 days of her campaign was, 01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:42.570 What was being used as a tone of communication was different. 01:06:43.250 --> 01:06:47.930 And I think that that definitely helped. The debate also helped a lot. No doubt about it. 01:06:48.250 --> 01:06:54.130 But how that's important to key on that and how it's important to key on the 01:06:54.130 --> 01:06:57.350 messaging that they're using to peel off certain specific groups. 01:06:57.710 --> 01:07:01.250 With the whole homophobia. 01:07:01.750 --> 01:07:04.650 To counter messaging the Republicans. 01:07:04.830 --> 01:07:10.290 Yes. Yes, you have to, you have to, you have to have a good counter message. 01:07:10.790 --> 01:07:15.450 Well, hell, even, for example, I complained about how Democrats, 01:07:15.810 --> 01:07:21.150 you know, you keep having Republicans screaming pro-abortion, pro-abortion. 01:07:21.710 --> 01:07:27.850 No, it's not pro-abortion. That's not it. It's pro-women's rights. 01:07:28.430 --> 01:07:33.270 And how that needs to be screamed loudly in return to their face. 01:07:33.790 --> 01:07:37.890 And and that that's the thing where those are the things when you're talking 01:07:37.890 --> 01:07:45.810 about you know freedom people's rights you know that's what we're talking about lgbt rights. 01:07:45.810 --> 01:07:48.690 This is another thing this is about this is another one 01:07:48.690 --> 01:07:53.190 of the things that changed in the first 45 days in the last 45 days was there 01:07:53.190 --> 01:07:58.330 was that big they were reclaiming freedom freedom they were reclaiming patriotism 01:07:58.330 --> 01:08:02.690 yeah they were doing all of that stuff and then they It seems like they almost 01:08:02.690 --> 01:08:06.490 ditched all of that and switched to, oh, my God, dangerous Donald Trump. 01:08:07.110 --> 01:08:07.190 Yeah. 01:08:08.030 --> 01:08:12.530 And like if there's one strategic decision that I would change, that would be it. 01:08:12.750 --> 01:08:16.430 Stick with what was working the first half of the campaign. 01:08:16.790 --> 01:08:21.650 None of this fucking pivot to like Donald Trump, the dangers of Donald Trump. 01:08:22.340 --> 01:08:29.360 You were winning and doing really well when you were talking about the positive 01:08:29.360 --> 01:08:31.940 vision for how you were the defenders of freedom, 01:08:32.180 --> 01:08:38.040 you were the defenders of patriotism, and you were happy and joyful and blah, 01:08:38.120 --> 01:08:40.300 blah, blah. That shit was working. 01:08:40.660 --> 01:08:45.920 Now, having said that, and I'd said we'd get a little bit into how the polls 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:51.340 did. I don't want to get into details, but the bottom line is that the polls did miss. 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:56.860 Again, they underestimated Donald Trump by just under 2%. I think it was 1.8% 01:08:56.860 --> 01:09:01.720 in the end, which reminds me, I have a typo on my last election graphs blog 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:03.500 post where I said 1.9 instead of 1.8. 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:10.160 I have to remember to fix that. anyway the um but you know there's two things 01:09:10.160 --> 01:09:15.760 one that is like average polling error like it's not an extraordinarily high 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.500 polling error yeah yeah like i looked at the last four election cycles and it's 01:09:19.500 --> 01:09:22.860 right smack in the middle in terms of now the 1.9. 01:09:22.860 --> 01:09:27.320 By the way is the error and the tipping point let me say one thing because i 01:09:27.320 --> 01:09:29.380 do need to make this point okay. 01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:29.840 And then i'll. 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:35.060 Finish i was It was hitting very hard on all those Atlas Intel polls that were coming out. 01:09:35.260 --> 01:09:35.460 Yes. 01:09:35.660 --> 01:09:41.820 And how they favored Trump like the entire time. Okay. I'm going to say it flat out right now. 01:09:42.220 --> 01:09:47.300 Their polling methodology was right on the money. They had it. They had it right. 01:09:48.020 --> 01:09:48.380 Yep. 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:53.600 And, and, and, you know, I'm looking, I kept looking through to what their methodology 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:54.600 and the thing that they're doing. 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.720 I don't see that as far as I can tell, even though it's opaque, I 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.500 don't see that they're like some of the others are saying that they're just putting the thumb 01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:04.380 on the scale they were right 01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:07.840 what they're doing to capture the polls was right and 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:13.120 probably i will say that if you look at all the all the close states they were 01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:18.600 pretty close to right on the money in what they in what they they said i just 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.880 the way they came out with that many polls of doing it was weird but in the 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.080 but the the reality is that, 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.880 Across a lot of states, they were right. 01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:33.840 I think that even they had one of those polls that showed Florida with that 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:35.820 massive margin that nobody else saw. 01:10:36.580 --> 01:10:43.460 Right. So let me say, if you want more details in terms of the polls and how off they were, 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:50.360 I did do a post on electiongraphs.com on the blog section on November 7th called 01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:51.820 Preliminary Results Comparison. 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:57.160 It talks a lot about that. But the point I was going to get out of that is the 01:10:57.160 --> 01:11:01.160 tipping point in the end was off by 1.9%. That's about typical. 01:11:01.540 --> 01:11:05.540 Here's the thing. I'd mentioned how September 14th, I think it was, 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.840 was Harris's peak, and I had her at a 75% chance or whatever. 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:20.580 But if you look at the 1.9% difference we ended up being at and reapply that 01:11:20.580 --> 01:11:23.700 sort of like to the tipping point, 01:11:23.820 --> 01:11:28.280 that means that was pretty much the only moment. 01:11:28.280 --> 01:11:34.460 Like if you take the tipping point I actually had and basically subtract 1.8%, 01:11:34.460 --> 01:11:40.380 I keep saying 1.9% to 1.8%, it was 1.8%, subtract 1.8%, that moment immediately 01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:45.320 after the debate was the only moment where Harris was actually ahead. 01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:52.260 So like, I think there's a, if that polling error was roughly the same the whole time, 01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:59.840 you basically have a situation where at the moment Harris was at her absolute 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:06.460 peak was the only moment where it was truly, oh my God, this is a toss up could go either way. 01:12:06.460 --> 01:12:10.560 50 50 the rest of the time trump was 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:16.440 decently ahead the whole time which again is like the one chart i kept going 01:12:16.440 --> 01:12:20.280 back to on election graphs is the one that compared the tipping point this time 01:12:20.280 --> 01:12:27.360 around to 2016 and 2020 and there was no well there was like she would never she. 01:12:27.360 --> 01:12:29.040 Never did better than than. 01:12:29.040 --> 01:12:32.500 Hillary was during she did time maybe she 01:12:32.500 --> 01:12:35.560 did for there were a few days in the 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.420 middle of september where she was comparable to where hillary was 01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:41.800 that's it the rest of the time harris 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.840 was way behind clinton and way behind biden 01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:51.240 too obviously and you know and obviously you know if she was behind where clinton 01:12:51.240 --> 01:12:57.420 was and clinton lost right you kind of expect that harris losing was the right 01:12:57.420 --> 01:13:03.260 thing to expect and and you know just just looking at the chart going back as long as I had it. 01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:06.420 I mean, it's not really fair to look before Harris became the nominee, 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:12.200 but certainly since she became the nominee, she was never, never even close 01:13:12.200 --> 01:13:15.220 to where either Biden or Clinton were in the last two elections. 01:13:15.620 --> 01:13:18.220 And so you get what you get. 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We're all back. 01:15:29.730 --> 01:15:34.750 Okay, so we kind of spent most of the last segment talking about the past. 01:15:35.450 --> 01:15:37.130 Maybe it's time to talk about the future. 01:15:37.130 --> 01:15:39.990 Why what's the future the future looks 01:15:39.990 --> 01:15:42.750 you know the future what i don't want to talk 01:15:42.750 --> 01:15:45.470 about the future listen what what what what do you what are 01:15:45.470 --> 01:15:48.570 we going to talk about the future now listen here 01:15:48.570 --> 01:15:52.930 here's one thing i have no idea what the hell like right now everybody is in 01:15:52.930 --> 01:15:56.810 yeah people are saying well why aren't the democrats fighting right now blah 01:15:56.810 --> 01:16:02.370 blah blah whatever i'm like dude there's nothing to do right now there's nothing 01:16:02.370 --> 01:16:06.210 not a damn thing that can be done like right now the. 01:16:06.210 --> 01:16:09.830 Democrats not only lost the presidency they lost the senate they lost the house 01:16:09.830 --> 01:16:13.790 they had already lost the supreme court you know so. 01:16:14.390 --> 01:16:19.550 What what what are you what's the leverage right now i mean you know the next 01:16:19.550 --> 01:16:25.210 election is two years away yep you know like right now i don't think that it's 01:16:25.210 --> 01:16:28.350 very productive right now for people to go and like start burning their energy 01:16:28.350 --> 01:16:33.330 like into outrage about everything that trump is doing because, like I mentioned, 01:16:34.050 --> 01:16:38.170 the topics, what he's doing, exactly what the fuck we expected him to be doing. 01:16:38.630 --> 01:16:40.970 So what are you, what are you, you know? 01:16:40.970 --> 01:16:42.790 Well, as you said, there do appear 01:16:42.790 --> 01:16:47.790 to be a bunch of Trump voters who are a little bit surprised, but... 01:16:47.790 --> 01:16:49.230 Well, those people are morons. 01:16:50.010 --> 01:16:50.450 Yeah. 01:16:50.890 --> 01:16:55.710 I mean, I'm sorry. If you voted for Trump and now are surprised that he's doing 01:16:55.710 --> 01:17:00.210 the shit, the bad things that he did before and that he said he was going to 01:17:00.210 --> 01:17:03.010 do, Now, you're a fucking, you know, 01:17:05.150 --> 01:17:13.730 completely irredeemable idiot. There is no, I have no sympathy for you at all. Okay? 01:17:14.190 --> 01:17:20.930 So, you know, look, one of the things is that the markets weren't sure whether 01:17:20.930 --> 01:17:22.610 Trump was going to win or not either. 01:17:23.870 --> 01:17:28.070 One of the things that happened recently also is that interest rates all of 01:17:28.070 --> 01:17:31.230 a sudden stopped going down. even though the Fed has cut rates, 01:17:31.550 --> 01:17:34.350 rates don't want to go down and go back up. 01:17:35.030 --> 01:17:40.210 And as every economist and everybody said, prior to the election, 01:17:40.730 --> 01:17:45.790 Trump is not doing anything to help with inflation or to help cut costs or to help anybody. 01:17:46.590 --> 01:17:50.890 And what he's doing is doing the opposite, which is why interest rates are going up. 01:17:51.250 --> 01:17:56.290 Interest rates go up, and one of the key factors driving that is inflation expectations. 01:17:58.970 --> 01:18:03.930 Well, just talking market for a second, like right after the election for a 01:18:03.930 --> 01:18:07.130 few days, the market seemed to be going up, up, up, up, up, up, up. 01:18:07.370 --> 01:18:08.690 And then they came back down. 01:18:08.870 --> 01:18:14.110 Well, and because the zeitgeist, you know how people always make up reasons 01:18:14.110 --> 01:18:16.170 why they think the market is moving up or down or sideways. 01:18:16.210 --> 01:18:20.990 But, you know, was people are really excited about low taxes and deregulation, 01:18:20.990 --> 01:18:23.190 and that's going to help companies and blah, blah, blah. 01:18:23.190 --> 01:18:28.550 You know, all of these companies that were worried about like Democrats being 01:18:28.550 --> 01:18:33.650 heavy handed with regulation or blocking mergers or what XYZ. 01:18:33.650 --> 01:18:38.590 Or that is one where definitely merger where we mergers is one where I do do 01:18:38.590 --> 01:18:41.970 think that there is going to be a lot more consolidation and mergers, 01:18:42.130 --> 01:18:44.770 which, by the way, will consolidate certain industries. 01:18:45.050 --> 01:18:47.430 And once again, it's not going to lead to lower prices. 01:18:47.790 --> 01:18:49.570 OK, right. Start off with that. 01:18:49.570 --> 01:18:53.190 The point I was making was those first few days, people were all excited about 01:18:53.190 --> 01:18:54.570 low taxes, deregulation. 01:18:54.750 --> 01:18:58.450 It means we can do whatever the hell we want, and it's going to be great. 01:18:58.690 --> 01:19:04.450 Yeah, but I think that the reality is that he's nominating fucking morons. 01:19:06.170 --> 01:19:09.930 He's nominating morons. People are starting to think through the tariff thing. 01:19:09.930 --> 01:19:12.870 What if he actually does that, and what would be the effects of that? 01:19:13.490 --> 01:19:18.030 The people he's putting in charge are clearly incompetent, etc. 01:19:18.030 --> 01:19:20.030 And now people are getting worried. 01:19:20.350 --> 01:19:23.110 The same people who were excited a few days earlier. 01:19:23.350 --> 01:19:23.850 Right. 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:29.400 And, but it's, and again, this comes down to, 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:36.660 well, it's what he said he was going to do like, and, and you get all of these, 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.700 you get this, there's a on, on TikTok and other places. 01:19:41.700 --> 01:19:47.220 There's a lot of this right now, but I want to be very careful because the fact 01:19:47.220 --> 01:19:52.640 that I've seen a bunch of them doesn't mean it's really big in the overall population 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:54.680 because the algorithm is like, oh, 01:19:54.800 --> 01:20:00.440 you're going to like these things where Trump voters are realizing they voted 01:20:00.440 --> 01:20:03.040 for things against their interests. So it's showing me more of them. 01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:05.220 So I'm under no illusions that 01:20:05.220 --> 01:20:08.500 there's actually huge portions of Trump voters that regret their vote. 01:20:08.500 --> 01:20:11.620 But there are apparently a number of 01:20:11.620 --> 01:20:14.540 people at least who are suddenly discovering what 01:20:14.540 --> 01:20:17.280 the fuck a tariff actually is and that it might 01:20:17.280 --> 01:20:22.380 impact them or their company there are huge groups of people who are realizing 01:20:22.380 --> 01:20:29.140 that wait he meant it with mass deportations and wait he might mean me like 01:20:29.140 --> 01:20:33.040 oh it says i thought he was only going to deport criminals not realizing that 01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:36.700 of course the the trumpies all believe that that any illegal. 01:20:36.700 --> 01:20:37.860 Immigrant is a criminal. 01:20:37.860 --> 01:20:40.620 By definition they've come in 01:20:40.620 --> 01:20:44.780 they've come in without proper papers that makes them a criminal you didn't 01:20:44.780 --> 01:20:49.840 mean like only like violent criminals or something no he thinks you're a criminal 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:55.340 because you're here you know and so you you have a lot of these sort of stories 01:20:55.340 --> 01:20:58.560 and people talking about Google Trends and stuff, 01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:01.720 but it's all, I was at the airport on Friday. 01:21:02.020 --> 01:21:07.520 At Miami Airport to be specific, okay? So there were a couple of ramp workers 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.600 that were like right by me as I was like trying to get a snack, 01:21:11.260 --> 01:21:16.020 talking about what Trump is doing. And one guy who seems to be a very, you know. 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:22.320 Trump, you know, Trump's going to do great things guy was talking about how 01:21:22.320 --> 01:21:27.840 Elon and Vivek, well, you see, what they're going to do is because they're going 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.880 to go, we waste, you know, they take so much of our taxes. 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:34.000 So they're going to cut our taxes, their taxes, idiots. 01:21:34.300 --> 01:21:37.300 Okay. You know, and, and because they're going to go and 01:21:37.300 --> 01:21:40.820 like cut all these all this waste that is in the government and 01:21:40.820 --> 01:21:43.760 so then that means that we're going to have more money in our pockets 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.500 and everything is going to be great and and i'm just like 01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:49.280 you know first of all you fucking clowns you guys pay 01:21:49.280 --> 01:21:52.160 almost shit nothing in taxes because so much 01:21:52.160 --> 01:21:55.100 of income at at you know below one hundred thousand 01:21:55.100 --> 01:21:57.840 dollars exempt from from taxes and so 01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:01.300 those people and by the way trump is most republicans 01:22:01.300 --> 01:22:04.500 think that those people should pay more that they 01:22:04.500 --> 01:22:07.920 are that they they're freeloaders they're freeloaders 01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:10.760 they're freeloaders so therefore you guys are 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:14.500 idiots you guys are not getting a fucking tax cut you're you're 01:22:14.500 --> 01:22:18.280 dreaming okay that's the first thing the second thing is that anybody that's 01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:23.080 looked at the u.s government budget in reality knows that the vast majority 01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:29.840 is tied to entitlements that they can't be really cut the military and interest 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.700 on the debt okay those are okay come. 01:22:32.700 --> 01:22:38.360 On come on yvonne elon and vivek are gonna like cut like trillions. 01:22:38.360 --> 01:22:43.700 You could fucking eliminate every fucking department that they're talking about 01:22:43.700 --> 01:22:49.900 and it's basically like removing you know flies from an elephant okay it isn't 01:22:49.900 --> 01:22:53.460 doing to do shit to anything. 01:22:53.780 --> 01:23:00.980 And you know what? I am 100% sure that no Republican is going to vote to cut 01:23:00.980 --> 01:23:04.800 neither Social Security nor Medicare, okay? 01:23:05.240 --> 01:23:10.680 Over their dead bodies. I don't care what some of these guys that have wanted to be a leadership. 01:23:11.160 --> 01:23:14.080 You'll get some votes for that, but not enough to pass it. 01:23:14.300 --> 01:23:20.640 Not enough to pass it. No way on earth is that going to happen, okay? 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.380 So this entire discussion about this, 01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:31.480 the problems mostly with our deficits like right now are tied to so many of 01:23:31.480 --> 01:23:37.060 these fucking tax cuts that the Republicans have repeatedly passed over the last 25 years. 01:23:37.060 --> 01:23:40.360 These assholes are talking about, oh my God, all the taxes are taking me. 01:23:40.360 --> 01:23:47.220 When in the United States, we have the lowest tax burden of any developed nation, okay? 01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:53.320 That is just fact, okay? And hell, a lot of undeveloped nations, okay? 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:58.440 We have one of the lowest tax burdens, okay, that you can fucking have. 01:23:58.740 --> 01:24:03.640 Now, the reality is that people do pay the... 01:24:04.990 --> 01:24:11.330 Escaping paying taxes is a lot lower in the U.S. than in a lot of other countries, okay? 01:24:11.710 --> 01:24:24.050 And so, you know, there isn't a way to really cut the deficit drastically unless you, number one. 01:24:24.810 --> 01:24:27.270 Raise some taxes, okay? 01:24:27.270 --> 01:24:30.070 And tariffs are not going to do it, okay? 01:24:30.370 --> 01:24:36.670 Because tariffs are going to create a 60% tariff on all imports is going to 01:24:36.670 --> 01:24:39.550 be a shit show of epic proportions, okay? 01:24:39.710 --> 01:24:45.610 All right? That's just, you know, this is complete, utter nonsense, okay? 01:24:45.830 --> 01:24:50.090 There is no way that this nation can handle something like that, okay? 01:24:50.390 --> 01:24:55.090 So that's not paying for it. So either you have to, in some way, 01:24:55.790 --> 01:24:58.630 cut some entitlements and raise taxes. 01:24:58.850 --> 01:25:02.190 Otherwise, you're really not making a dent in this. 01:25:02.450 --> 01:25:06.910 Now, you can go and work, by the way, Sam. I know that you've been thinking 01:25:06.910 --> 01:25:09.970 about, at some point, making a change in your life. 01:25:10.410 --> 01:25:16.670 And I saw that if you sign up for Twitter with the checkmark thing, okay? 01:25:16.670 --> 01:25:25.410 And then you send a message, DM to Elon with your resume that they will offer 01:25:25.410 --> 01:25:28.450 you an unpaid internship, 01:25:28.810 --> 01:25:36.350 basically, an unpaid job to work 100 hours a week to help them go and cut government bureaucracy. 01:25:36.630 --> 01:25:38.670 It sounds really attractive, I must say. 01:25:39.010 --> 01:25:41.950 Yeah, definitely. I will be right on that. 01:25:42.190 --> 01:25:45.250 Yeah, I'm thinking about that too. I've been very... 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:50.060 It's just it's just the dumbest fucking discussion on 01:25:50.060 --> 01:25:55.880 earth people don't get it you know don't understand the numbers not not not 01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:01.480 a clue and they they throw all this shit out there and nobody understands what 01:26:01.480 --> 01:26:05.360 our government issues are and how the fuck it happens and yeah just throw this 01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:09.360 nonsense out there and you got here here's here's. 01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:13.400 The thing and this is this was the playbook in the first Trump administration, 01:26:13.620 --> 01:26:14.980 and I'm sure it will be now too, 01:26:15.220 --> 01:26:22.000 is that you put people who are either flat out incompetent or directly hostile 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.660 to the missions of any of these agencies. 01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:30.360 And then you basically sabotage them internally, make them less able to do their 01:26:30.360 --> 01:26:35.200 jobs. And then the public support for getting rid of them increases over time 01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:38.480 because they're not doing their jobs well, they're incompetent, they're whatever. 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:42.180 Still, the bottom line is, okay, get rid of the agency doesn't really reduce 01:26:42.180 --> 01:26:45.120 the debt it's not enough my point it's not enough my point is that you can just 01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:48.860 listen just go tomorrow and shut them all down it doesn't make a fuck it doesn't 01:26:48.860 --> 01:26:53.540 make a significant enough dent it's just not enough it's not enough you. 01:26:53.540 --> 01:26:54.500 Could default on the debt. 01:26:54.500 --> 01:26:58.680 You could default on the debt yeah that that i'm sure that that's not gonna 01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:01.660 cause any problems to people's pocketbooks well. 01:27:01.660 --> 01:27:05.660 This is this is the whole thing like even elon like before the election, 01:27:06.040 --> 01:27:09.660 one of the quotes that came out in the last week was him saying that, 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.260 yeah, we want to cut this $2 trillion. 01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:14.600 And yeah, I'm sure it'll be painful for some people for a while. 01:27:15.020 --> 01:27:18.180 And, you know, they'll just have to suffer through, you know, 01:27:18.540 --> 01:27:24.800 whereas like if you actually tried to do this by cutting all sorts of government 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.180 programs that actually do help 01:27:27.180 --> 01:27:32.920 people, you're going to be screwing over so many people in the process. 01:27:33.360 --> 01:27:36.300 And like this, this ties to, you know, 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:43.740 one of the things that people have been saying in response to the election is 01:27:43.740 --> 01:27:49.880 specifically to Trump voters is I hope they get everything they voted for. 01:27:51.070 --> 01:27:56.250 You know, because it's sort of this view of, you know, the Democrats, 01:27:56.590 --> 01:27:58.750 we're not in a position to fight it anyway. 01:27:59.190 --> 01:28:01.610 So we basically shouldn't even try. 01:28:02.210 --> 01:28:08.530 Let them do their worst. And they're just going to fuck things up so bad that 01:28:08.530 --> 01:28:11.390 people are not going to want them again at the next election. 01:28:11.710 --> 01:28:16.530 And so there are a couple of things with that. One, I sympathize with that attitude. 01:28:16.530 --> 01:28:20.310 On the other hand, it is a very, 01:28:20.590 --> 01:28:26.210 very privileged thing to say because it sort of implies that you're not one 01:28:26.210 --> 01:28:30.890 of the people who are going to get fucked because it's not just it's not like 01:28:30.890 --> 01:28:35.630 Trump doing everything he wanted to do is only going to hurt the Trump voters. 01:28:35.630 --> 01:28:41.570 And even if it was, you know, I don't know, like my sympathy is limited, 01:28:41.770 --> 01:28:48.370 but at the same time there, the radius of damage is not limited. 01:28:48.710 --> 01:28:53.150 The radius of damage from the policies we're likely to see over the next few 01:28:53.150 --> 01:29:00.250 years. and the incompetent running of things we're going to see over the next few years is massive. 01:29:01.230 --> 01:29:03.570 You know, domestically, hell, internationally too. 01:29:04.550 --> 01:29:11.650 Like, you know, Ukraine, Gaza, NATO, relations with China, you know, 01:29:11.750 --> 01:29:14.110 all of these, everything. 01:29:14.390 --> 01:29:18.950 You know, there is not a single part of what's going on in the world that does 01:29:18.950 --> 01:29:22.350 not have the opportunity to get fucked up by this. 01:29:22.950 --> 01:29:28.930 You know and of course there are a certain group of people who would yeah i'm 01:29:28.930 --> 01:29:32.050 calling it fucked up there's a certain group of people would be like well that's 01:29:32.050 --> 01:29:35.410 actually just fixing it that's making it the way it should be but there are 01:29:35.410 --> 01:29:37.610 a lot of people that are going to get hurt in the process. 01:29:38.550 --> 01:29:43.410 Yeah well you know i feel bad for the people that are going to be affected that 01:29:43.410 --> 01:29:49.210 definitely didn't vote for this okay but again nothing i can do about it right now and there's just, 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.920 We got, you know, they haven't done it yet. They're not in office yet. 01:29:55.320 --> 01:30:00.260 At some point, you know, groups like the ACLU and others are lining up to do something. 01:30:00.440 --> 01:30:04.240 At that point, we can start trying to do whatever it is to try to block some 01:30:04.240 --> 01:30:05.200 of this stuff and whatnot. 01:30:05.400 --> 01:30:08.000 And hope that CODES doesn't just back it all up. 01:30:08.200 --> 01:30:10.400 Right. But at this point, it's like, it's not. 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:11.520 But they probably will. 01:30:12.040 --> 01:30:16.540 There's, you know, there's nothing to. I mean, I just cannot. 01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:20.520 I don't have the energy. and i don't want to. 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.480 Be in full outrage primary emotion for 01:30:23.480 --> 01:30:29.220 four straight days like for for the anybody on the democratic side of the spectrum 01:30:29.220 --> 01:30:36.260 for the most part the overwhelming feeling that i've gotten from everybody is 01:30:36.260 --> 01:30:40.380 just exhaustion like after 2016 it was fight fight fight we're going to go out 01:30:40.380 --> 01:30:43.060 and demonstrate we're going to be out in the streets we're going to do this, 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:50.100 time it's like fuck it i'm tired i i'm tired dude it's been 10. 01:30:50.100 --> 01:30:51.780 Years it's almost 10 years of this shit man. 01:30:51.780 --> 01:30:57.960 Yeah and and i don't know there there may be things that trump and his administration 01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:03.740 do that prompt people to to get out in the streets and get active what i'm. 01:31:03.740 --> 01:31:10.780 Saying is that it's not listen right now right now at this moment we gain nothing 01:31:10.780 --> 01:31:12.660 by spending all that energy. 01:31:12.660 --> 01:31:14.040 Right right. 01:31:14.040 --> 01:31:17.500 Now we gotta save that energy for later because. 01:31:17.500 --> 01:31:22.080 Maybe next year once he's actually president and actually starts doing things 01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:24.500 and yeah yeah but but right. 01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:29.740 Now it's not it's not worth spending the energy you're just being outraged at 01:31:29.740 --> 01:31:31.500 shit that we already knew he was doing. 01:31:31.500 --> 01:31:35.360 Well and even then like the question is how 01:31:35.360 --> 01:31:38.580 do you spend the energy in a way that's actually effective because 01:31:38.580 --> 01:31:45.920 with the level of losses we have here like democrats have zero leverage in positions 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:50.740 of actual power so what so what we're talking about is yeah we are talking about 01:31:50.740 --> 01:31:56.060 demonstrations on the street and decides to pluck boycotts and media unless. 01:31:56.060 --> 01:32:00.480 Unless trump decides to pluck two more people from the house to. 01:32:00.480 --> 01:32:01.060 To to. 01:32:01.060 --> 01:32:03.580 Dirty administration and then we got something to talk about. 01:32:03.580 --> 01:32:05.340 Yeah well even yeah. 01:32:08.240 --> 01:32:16.060 Because right now they are at they are down to exactly 280 okay well. 01:32:16.060 --> 01:32:18.140 There's still a few uncalled races but yes. 01:32:18.140 --> 01:32:22.520 No but but bottom line if you take the ddhp whatever basically they're at 280 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:31.300 okay it can't i mean you're you're really you are at the totally playing with fire number Okay. 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.000 All right. It can't be any thinner than that. 01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:40.500 They're basically going to be roughly the same level as last time around in 01:32:40.500 --> 01:32:42.080 terms of how precarious it is. 01:32:42.180 --> 01:32:44.740 Maybe more precarious, maybe a little bit less. 01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:47.980 No, no. It is slightly more precarious. It's tighter. 01:32:48.200 --> 01:32:50.220 How many uncalled races do we still have? 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:54.900 Well, I'm talking already including all the uncalled races. 01:32:54.900 --> 01:32:57.020 Oh, just by like who's leading in the uncalled races. 01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:00.220 Yes, yes, yes, yes. They've got 218. Okay, period. 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.400 That's where they're at because of all the uncalled races and then the two resignations 01:33:04.400 --> 01:33:07.140 that you've got right now, Gates and this other guy from Florida, whatever. 01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:10.260 That's the number. That's where they're at. 01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:15.580 Well, yeah, you should keep in mind, though, that with the empty seats, 01:33:15.820 --> 01:33:19.440 the number they need for a majority probably drops to 217, but yeah. 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:23.500 Well, that's what I'm saying. That's my point. They basically, 01:33:23.700 --> 01:33:24.800 that's where they're at. 01:33:25.200 --> 01:33:30.260 They've got, they're right, one. That's what they've got. 01:33:30.260 --> 01:33:33.580 As opposed to, what did they have this time? Four, three or four of this time? 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.040 Some guy, yeah, some guy has a heart attack right now, okay? 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:40.460 And they're Republicans, and they're a deep ship. 01:33:41.230 --> 01:33:41.590 Right. 01:33:41.870 --> 01:33:44.450 In the House. So that's how close it is right now there. 01:33:45.230 --> 01:33:51.130 Yeah. So, okay. The one other thing that I think is worth talking about before 01:33:51.130 --> 01:33:57.890 we wrap it up for today, you mentioned, I mentioned how he is nominating a whole bunch of incompetence. 01:33:58.510 --> 01:34:03.510 There are a couple that are particularly controversial. We've got Matt Gaetz for Attorney General. 01:34:04.170 --> 01:34:08.830 And we've got, what's the name of that Fox guy, Hogarth or Hogarth or whatever 01:34:08.830 --> 01:34:10.510 for Secretary of Defense. 01:34:11.510 --> 01:34:18.850 Both of which have quote-unquote issues. We also have RFK for HNHS. 01:34:19.950 --> 01:34:23.050 My question is whether the Republicans are just going to rubber stamp this or 01:34:23.050 --> 01:34:23.950 they're just going to be. 01:34:23.950 --> 01:34:27.610 You know, saved up. There are a couple of power plays here. 01:34:28.310 --> 01:34:34.230 Like, one question is, like, Donald Trump had to know that some of these would 01:34:34.230 --> 01:34:37.230 be difficult pushes even within 01:34:37.230 --> 01:34:42.750 the Republican Senate. And so the question is, what is his goal here? 01:34:42.910 --> 01:34:49.170 And I think a big part of this is just to test and exert his power. 01:34:49.430 --> 01:34:57.970 Because basically he wants to see, like, okay, there are Republican senators 01:34:57.970 --> 01:35:00.510 who are obviously queasy about Matt Gaetz. 01:35:00.510 --> 01:35:05.510 I saw one estimate of some off-the-record Republican senator or something saying 01:35:05.510 --> 01:35:09.830 that half the Republicans don't want to vote for Matt Gaetz. 01:35:10.290 --> 01:35:15.730 Of course, you don't need half. You don't need half. That's the reality. 01:35:15.930 --> 01:35:18.070 You don't need half. You just need a few of them. 01:35:18.430 --> 01:35:20.790 What do you mean? Oh, to defect. Right. 01:35:20.910 --> 01:35:21.110 Right. 01:35:21.230 --> 01:35:21.950 You only need a couple to defect. 01:35:21.950 --> 01:35:23.710 Yeah, you don't need the half. but. 01:35:23.710 --> 01:35:32.270 So the question is like can donald trump strong arm his way through to getting these confirmed anyway. 01:35:32.270 --> 01:35:39.070 Um or that's one of the other things i'm leaning towards i'm leaning towards 01:35:39.070 --> 01:35:45.170 my my belief is he'll get whatever the fuck he wants i agree but i agree but i but but i say lean, 01:35:45.970 --> 01:35:52.170 I'm not saying I guarantee you he will get what it is. My lean is you'll get 01:35:52.170 --> 01:35:53.050 whatever the fuck he wants. 01:35:53.270 --> 01:35:56.990 I agree. I think because fundamentally, here's the thing. 01:35:57.350 --> 01:36:03.830 Do you really do you think any Republican in the Senate wants the very first 01:36:03.830 --> 01:36:08.550 thing the newly sworn in Republican senators do? 01:36:08.910 --> 01:36:14.090 Maybe to be to divide their president who just got. No, maybe what they'll do 01:36:14.090 --> 01:36:19.770 is they'll force him to withdraw and put somebody else who's still a stop to 01:36:19.770 --> 01:36:21.730 him, but isn't Matt Gaetz. 01:36:22.110 --> 01:36:28.290 Yes, that's the conversation. That's how, like, if Donald Trump was to lose 01:36:28.290 --> 01:36:31.170 this, the way it would happen is the nominations would be withdrawn. 01:36:31.310 --> 01:36:32.530 It would not get to a vote. 01:36:33.010 --> 01:36:39.090 However, there are two things. I think Donald Trump wants to force it to a vote 01:36:39.090 --> 01:36:44.370 to prove he wants to make every single damn one of these Republican senators 01:36:44.370 --> 01:36:49.070 bend the fucking knee and basically show that he is in control. 01:36:49.710 --> 01:36:52.750 And if they go against him, he will try to crush them. 01:36:53.470 --> 01:36:57.950 But of course, here goes the other part about this. And this is what I said. 01:36:58.690 --> 01:37:02.770 One thing about since, you know, Donald Trump gets elected is that he is a lame 01:37:02.770 --> 01:37:06.090 duck, as usually anybody on a second term is starting on day one. 01:37:06.210 --> 01:37:10.070 So everybody, what they are planning on is not his presidency. 01:37:10.070 --> 01:37:12.670 They are planning on what's coming afterwards. 01:37:13.030 --> 01:37:17.430 Right. Because that's the way this shit works. And so their calculations in 01:37:17.430 --> 01:37:23.090 their head are going to be what the fuck is better for me, 01:37:23.970 --> 01:37:29.730 Is it better if I show myself as the independent, strong MAGA guy, 01:37:30.230 --> 01:37:36.050 you know, whatever, who even Trump can't bully, or do I just roll over to him? 01:37:36.210 --> 01:37:38.630 I don't know. I don't know what their calculation is. 01:37:38.830 --> 01:37:41.070 I think they're going to roll over. 01:37:41.190 --> 01:37:42.310 I'm leaning towards they're all going to roll over. 01:37:42.670 --> 01:37:48.330 Yeah. But now they might roll over. The other thing Donald Trump is pushing 01:37:48.330 --> 01:37:51.830 them to, he doesn't even want to go through the confirmation process. 01:37:51.990 --> 01:37:53.510 He wants the Senate to recess. 01:37:54.010 --> 01:37:59.130 So that he can do them all as recess appointments. Now, the new leader of the 01:37:59.130 --> 01:38:05.050 Senate, Thune, will be the new leader in January, says he doesn't want to do 01:38:05.050 --> 01:38:07.470 that. But this is another one of these tests. 01:38:07.910 --> 01:38:13.670 Donald Trump basically wants to say, I don't fucking care about your confirmation process. 01:38:14.470 --> 01:38:18.290 Recess and let me put all these people in on my own. 01:38:18.290 --> 01:38:21.710 And you know which is 01:38:21.710 --> 01:38:24.410 just another test and specifically it's a 01:38:24.410 --> 01:38:27.190 test of authoritarian power can you tell 01:38:27.190 --> 01:38:30.410 the legislature to go fuck themselves because as executive 01:38:30.410 --> 01:38:34.810 you're going to do whatever the hell you want anyway and and so i think you're 01:38:34.810 --> 01:38:43.290 going to get that scenario with this is this is trump right off the bat exerting 01:38:43.290 --> 01:38:48.090 his power like saying you know what i'm going to nominate matt Gates. 01:38:48.270 --> 01:38:54.230 I'm going to nominate RFK Jr. I'm going to nominate this fucking Fox News host 01:38:54.230 --> 01:38:59.330 with Nazi tattoos and there's not a damn fucking thing you can do about it. 01:39:00.300 --> 01:39:07.360 So that will be the question I have. I think that one or two of these have a 01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:10.680 shot at him just changing his mind. 01:39:11.220 --> 01:39:16.760 Well, he is fickle like that. And he also has other things. Like if the Senate 01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:19.160 does push against him, he can say, fuck you. 01:39:19.340 --> 01:39:23.500 I'm going to make up a new position and give it authority. Just like he's doing 01:39:23.500 --> 01:39:26.780 with this sort of Elon thing, which is not a real thing. 01:39:26.780 --> 01:39:29.400 But he's making up this commission and putting them in charge. 01:39:29.400 --> 01:39:33.580 He could do the same thing oh you don't like rfk fine he doesn't have to be 01:39:33.580 --> 01:39:40.000 secretary of hhs he'll be my my health care czar which is not a confirmable 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:45.780 thing but i'm still gonna make him in charge of all kinds of stuff right so okay. 01:39:45.780 --> 01:39:47.780 Well i'm done talking about this shit. 01:39:47.780 --> 01:39:49.840 Okay let's wrap it up. 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.580 I'm sorry you know it's given me a headache. 01:39:52.580 --> 01:39:55.160 Nobody knows. 01:39:55.160 --> 01:39:58.860 Well if you were watching on the live stream you would have seen that i had to pop a couple of these. 01:39:58.860 --> 01:40:02.160 What what are those the tylenine 01:40:02.160 --> 01:40:04.960 antacids tylenine tylenine no 01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:12.440 okay tylenine yeah okay well let's wrap it up then uh go to oh curmudgeons curmudgeons 01:40:12.440 --> 01:40:17.160 hyphen corner.com and you can find all the ways to contact us you can find our 01:40:17.160 --> 01:40:23.320 archives you can find transcripts you can find links to our youtube where we also live stream them. 01:40:24.280 --> 01:40:27.520 Sean was watching for a part of the show today. Thank you, Sean. 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:31.220 We welcome other people to watch live. 01:40:31.400 --> 01:40:35.620 If you subscribe on YouTube and ring the little bell thing, then you can get 01:40:35.620 --> 01:40:37.160 notifications when we're going live. 01:40:37.320 --> 01:40:42.760 We also post on Mastodon when we're going live, all of that kind of stuff. I will also mention... 01:40:43.570 --> 01:40:47.550 That last week, I set up our Cummudgeons Corner TikTok as well. 01:40:47.690 --> 01:40:50.670 Something my son Alex has been bugging me to do for a long time. 01:40:50.790 --> 01:40:51.170 Wow. 01:40:52.350 --> 01:40:56.250 Because we use Riverside. No, not yet. Yeah, it is Riverside, 01:40:56.330 --> 01:40:58.570 right? Yeah, we use Riverside to do our recordings. 01:40:58.770 --> 01:41:03.150 And one of the things they do is they have a little AI generated clips thing. 01:41:03.290 --> 01:41:07.770 It generates like a dozen clips each time we record. 01:41:07.770 --> 01:41:11.330 And I picked a couple to post. just 01:41:11.330 --> 01:41:14.230 little little one or one minute segments of 01:41:14.230 --> 01:41:17.370 the show AI AI Sam like 01:41:17.370 --> 01:41:20.130 most of most of the things it picks honestly kind of 01:41:20.130 --> 01:41:23.550 suck but usually I can find one or two that I'm like okay that's that 01:41:23.550 --> 01:41:28.630 sounds interesting I look for ones that are like somewhat entertaining with 01:41:28.630 --> 01:41:32.470 either the two of us arguing or one of us being really animated or something 01:41:32.470 --> 01:41:40.330 and I'm I'll try to post you know one or two of those each week or whatever ones I think seem good. 01:41:40.850 --> 01:41:45.990 And I said when I first posted on the TikTok, I said that, hey, 01:41:46.090 --> 01:41:50.430 maybe one of these times either Yvonne or I, I gave Yvonne the passwords too, 01:41:50.850 --> 01:41:54.890 we'll just do one of these like, hey, I have something to say in between shows 01:41:54.890 --> 01:41:59.350 and record ourselves in selfie mode on our phone for like a minute and then 01:41:59.350 --> 01:42:00.650 post that. I haven't done that yet. 01:42:00.830 --> 01:42:04.130 Nothing inspired me this week that made me feel like doing that. 01:42:04.330 --> 01:42:07.710 I don't know if anything ever will inspire me. But if I do, it'll be there. 01:42:08.070 --> 01:42:12.450 Anyway, the TikTok is not yet linked from the Curmudgeon's Corner website, 01:42:12.450 --> 01:42:15.130 but if you search TikTok for Curmudgeon's Corner, you'll find us. 01:42:15.930 --> 01:42:19.790 And yeah, what else? Oh yeah, the Patreon is linked there too. 01:42:20.210 --> 01:42:24.810 You can give us money at various levels. We'll send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug. 01:42:25.190 --> 01:42:28.690 I was about to say, we'll send you a duck, but no, we will not send you a duck. 01:42:29.150 --> 01:42:30.870 No, that's not happening. 01:42:32.110 --> 01:42:37.150 And yeah, so at $2 a month or more, or if you ask nicely, we will invite you 01:42:37.150 --> 01:42:40.250 to the Curmudgeon's Chorus Slack, where Yvonne and I and a bunch of listeners 01:42:40.250 --> 01:42:41.830 are chatting throughout the week. 01:42:42.050 --> 01:42:44.870 We would love to have more of you on there. It's a lot of fun. 01:42:45.270 --> 01:42:48.390 Yvonne, do you have a highlight for the Curmudgeon's Chorus Slack that is not 01:42:48.390 --> 01:42:50.450 related to the election at all? 01:42:50.570 --> 01:42:57.010 I do. I do. And for some reason, I went to get my mail, which I do regularly 01:42:57.010 --> 01:42:59.650 get my mail because I I do get some important things in the mail. 01:43:00.190 --> 01:43:00.310 Yeah. 01:43:01.010 --> 01:43:04.770 And there was a sharper image catalog. 01:43:05.210 --> 01:43:08.250 I thought they went out of business years ago. They still exist. 01:43:08.350 --> 01:43:13.330 I posted the picture. Dude, I got a damn. This came in the mail. 01:43:13.470 --> 01:43:15.230 I'm showing it to Sam on the live stream. 01:43:15.710 --> 01:43:15.890 Yeah. 01:43:15.990 --> 01:43:19.830 A fucking sharper image catalog. 01:43:20.410 --> 01:43:20.850 Okay. 01:43:20.950 --> 01:43:26.470 I do believe somebody bought the brand and has relaunched. 01:43:27.290 --> 01:43:36.150 But I got a catalog, Sam, a fucking catalog in the mail, you know, for the sharper image. 01:43:36.350 --> 01:43:42.150 And I'm just like, you know, what year is this again? This, this really feels like the 1980s. 01:43:42.630 --> 01:43:46.610 I mean, if there was something that you want me to feel like it's the 1980s, 01:43:46.730 --> 01:43:51.630 you know, this is, you know, this made me feel like it's the fucking 1980s. 01:43:51.670 --> 01:43:55.950 Let me ask, like one of the things about the sharper image catalog back when 01:43:55.950 --> 01:44:00.750 it was a thing before, is it was fun to leaf through it and you'd see cool things. 01:44:00.750 --> 01:44:06.770 Listen, I will say this. Look, they did do a good job of putting some unique 01:44:06.770 --> 01:44:13.390 things and products on here that it's not something that you get just fine anywhere. 01:44:13.770 --> 01:44:17.430 They had a few laser combs to make your hair grow. 01:44:18.490 --> 01:44:25.270 I have heard from people that those work. They've got this thing, which is 95, 99. 01:44:26.270 --> 01:44:29.810 No, no, no. They were actually, the FDA actually certified that some of these 01:44:29.810 --> 01:44:31.610 laser combs do actually work. Okay. 01:44:32.370 --> 01:44:36.750 Well, you know, I'm sure RFK is going to be rescinding that. 01:44:36.850 --> 01:44:42.590 Well, that, well, yeah. There is this 95-99 thing called a premium and nominative 01:44:42.590 --> 01:44:47.550 defrosting tray, which is basically you put a piece of meat on top of this metal 01:44:47.550 --> 01:44:49.570 tray and it defrosts magically. 01:44:49.990 --> 01:44:54.450 Okay. Which I thought was quite interesting. Um, you know, they, 01:44:54.470 --> 01:44:59.170 they, they, they have like, you know, they, they have like, uh, what the heck was it? 01:44:59.530 --> 01:45:03.590 Oh, they had stuff to like convert negatives and things to digital, 01:45:03.590 --> 01:45:06.410 you know, media, for example, they had a whole bunch of those. 01:45:06.650 --> 01:45:13.270 They had one where you would put your phone down and then you put this thing in front. Okay. 01:45:13.570 --> 01:45:18.050 And it makes it look like the screen is just like, you know, 13 inches. 01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:22.080 So you could watch like a movie or video or something or whatever, 01:45:22.120 --> 01:45:25.960 or you just stuck it like right behind there and it would, it would do that. 01:45:26.540 --> 01:45:30.360 It had some, I mean, I will say that they, they went out and, 01:45:30.540 --> 01:45:35.480 and put some shit in here that, you know, wasn't just, you know, 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:41.280 it's stuff that ordinarily you wouldn't find in other, in other places. 01:45:41.360 --> 01:45:44.220 Let's ask the real question that matters here. 01:45:44.460 --> 01:45:48.960 Am I buying ordering anything? I don't think they've gotten me that anything 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:53.420 in here, even though it looks like interesting that I would buy like right now. 01:45:53.940 --> 01:45:54.340 Okay. 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:55.660 Not as far as I can tell. 01:45:56.320 --> 01:45:56.780 They have failed. 01:45:57.040 --> 01:45:59.520 To me, they failed. I don't know if they failed with everybody else, 01:45:59.620 --> 01:46:03.540 but, but, but, you know, to me, I'm like, I'm like, you know, 01:46:03.780 --> 01:46:05.860 they got shit for old people in here too. 01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:10.920 I saw that they've got these things that are like these like a portable, like magnifiers. 01:46:11.740 --> 01:46:15.760 So you're not carrying your like glasses. So you put this thing here and it's got this magnifier. 01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:19.320 So you don't have to like, you know, so say you're, you're sitting at a table, 01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:23.380 you're sitting in a chair and it's got this thing with a little arm extension 01:46:23.380 --> 01:46:26.440 with, with, with a big magnifying glass where you can just be sitting there 01:46:26.440 --> 01:46:30.080 reading and this thing will be magnified without you having to put on glasses. 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:33.320 You know, old people shit in here. 01:46:34.580 --> 01:46:37.340 Smartphones have magnifier modes in the accessibility. 01:46:37.660 --> 01:46:40.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but, but no, 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.400 but think about it. Look, you don't, you would have to hold it. 01:46:44.140 --> 01:46:49.060 No, but it's not just that. If you put the magnifying mode, basically you are 01:46:49.060 --> 01:46:52.020 reducing the amount of stuff that you're seeing on the phone. 01:46:52.160 --> 01:46:55.760 Whereas if you have it in the compact mode and you put it there, 01:46:55.980 --> 01:46:58.860 you will see a lot more of it. 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:01.260 Whereas you're actually, when you do that, you're reducing what, 01:47:01.420 --> 01:47:04.220 how much you're actually seeing of the page. 01:47:04.340 --> 01:47:07.620 Whereas you could be looking at, you know, the whole page. Exactly. 01:47:08.270 --> 01:47:09.430 Because it's big. 01:47:09.990 --> 01:47:10.350 Right. 01:47:11.650 --> 01:47:14.410 Which makes it oh so convenient to carry around. But okay, yeah. 01:47:14.470 --> 01:47:17.690 Of course. I'm not buying it. Like I said, I'm just saying, that's what they're 01:47:17.690 --> 01:47:19.090 selling. Okay. All right. 01:47:19.230 --> 01:47:19.990 Okay. Okay. 01:47:20.970 --> 01:47:24.750 I mean, once you're 85 years old and you're not moving that much around and 01:47:24.750 --> 01:47:27.870 you got this thing that's just right beside your chair and you put it there 01:47:27.870 --> 01:47:30.150 and you're like, oh, look, I can read everything. Look at that. 01:47:30.510 --> 01:47:35.570 I got you. I got you. Now, I presume, however, that they have at least modernized, 01:47:35.690 --> 01:47:40.010 right, so that they sent you a physical catalog, but you can go to the website 01:47:40.010 --> 01:47:41.430 to actually buy this shit, right? 01:47:41.430 --> 01:47:44.870 Okay. You don't have to call them 800 numbers. There is a QR code in the back 01:47:44.870 --> 01:47:46.870 that you scan and or scan here to shop. 01:47:47.350 --> 01:47:52.310 Okay. So it's not like, you know, fill out the form and mail it in or something. 01:47:52.310 --> 01:47:56.710 Well, I remember those days, okay, where you actually – there was an insert 01:47:56.710 --> 01:48:00.230 where you filled out the items that you wanted and you put it into your credit 01:48:00.230 --> 01:48:01.990 card information or mailed them a check. 01:48:02.670 --> 01:48:02.950 Okay? 01:48:03.190 --> 01:48:07.670 And then, you know, they would fulfill your order and send you back. But no, no, no. 01:48:07.950 --> 01:48:11.170 I just see here a QR code. I don't see – actually, there is a phone number, 01:48:11.190 --> 01:48:15.070 but I'm sure that's more for support. They really want you to scan the QR code to shop. 01:48:15.310 --> 01:48:18.130 And they have their website here, you know, stuff. 01:48:18.430 --> 01:48:21.910 So, SharperImage.com. So, yeah. So, there you go. 01:48:21.910 --> 01:48:24.170 There you go. Free ad for Sharper Image. 01:48:24.710 --> 01:48:28.390 Yeah. Free ad for Sharper Image. I'm sure nobody will buy anything off of it. 01:48:28.450 --> 01:48:29.470 I'll be shocked if they do. 01:48:30.730 --> 01:48:32.570 You should have got us a commission code. 01:48:32.990 --> 01:48:36.590 Yeah, exactly. Should have got, but I didn't see any of that. So anyway. 01:48:37.190 --> 01:48:44.790 Okay. We are done here. Thanks, everybody. We will be, maybe next week won't be all election stuff. 01:48:45.530 --> 01:48:50.970 Maybe we'll have something else to talk about. Like, I don't know. Other stuff. 01:48:51.090 --> 01:48:51.250 The webinar? 01:48:51.910 --> 01:48:57.370 Yeah. And we had a few years with Biden where things were calmer. 01:48:57.570 --> 01:49:01.410 I suspect we're going to have a chaotic next four years. We'll see. 01:49:01.930 --> 01:49:02.330 Yeah. 01:49:02.850 --> 01:49:07.670 Okay. Goodbye, everybody. Talk to you next time. Goodbye. 01:49:08.150 --> 01:49:08.690 Bye. 01:49:39.410 --> 01:49:41.570 Okay, I'm hitting stop. Have a good week, Yvonne. 01:49:42.130 --> 01:49:43.090 All right. Stop. 01:49:43.650 --> 01:49:44.110 Bye. 01:49:44.730 --> 01:49:45.190 Bye.