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<v Sam>Testing one, two, three. There we go. Hey folks, this is Sam from the future.

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<v Sam>I'm recording this intro message on November 7th at 1537 UTC,

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<v Sam>but just wanted to let you know,

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<v Sam>as we mentioned on the show last week, we recorded a curmudgeons corner sort

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<v Sam>of live show reaction to election results as they came in.

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<v Sam>And by the time you're listening to this, I'm sure you know the results of that election.

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<v Sam>President Trump handily won re-election. The Republicans took over the Senate.

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<v Sam>The results in the House haven't fully been official yet. The Democrats still

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<v Sam>have some hope there, but it's not looking good for them, to be honest.

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<v Sam>It's probably going to be the Republicans taking the House.

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<v Sam>But those are the overall results. but Yvonne and I recorded a six and a half

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<v Sam>hour live show reaction.

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<v Sam>And, you know, Yvonne, Yvonne's basically like, I have no energy left to talk

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<v Sam>about any of this stuff anymore.

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<v Sam>And, you know, frankly, we already did six and a half hours.

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<v Sam>That's, that's a lot of stuff.

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<v Sam>So what we're going to do here, I was going to put the live show at the end

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<v Sam>of any new show we recorded this week anyway, but I think we're just going to

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<v Sam>leave that live show as the show.

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<v Sam>So this I'll be including like, it's not going to be the whole six and a half

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<v Sam>hours because I'm going to run it through software that like eliminates like

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<v Sam>gaps where nobody's talking and stuff like that. So it'll be shorter.

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<v Sam>I don't know how much shorter, but I'm not actually going to go through and

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<v Sam>like carefully edit it or anything.

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<v Sam>I'm just going to dump it into my software that takes out the ums and ahs and

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<v Sam>takes out the silences and it is what it is. So you'll get to sort of hear the

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<v Sam>slightly abbreviated version of our live show.

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<v Sam>If you actually attended the live show, there were about eight people listening

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<v Sam>and commenting and interacting with us as we recorded, which was a lot of fun.

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<v Sam>Then obviously you've heard a lot of this already. So maybe you skip this.

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<v Sam>We will be back for our full sort of normal reactions and talking about things

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<v Sam>next week. Give a little bit more time to digest the results and the implications

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<v Sam>and all of this kind of stuff.

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<v Sam>But I think, you know, rather than record a brand new normal show,

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<v Sam>we're just going to let the live stream be our show this week because,

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<v Sam>you know, it was a lot anyway.

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<v Sam>That's the idea. So folks, here's our live stream recorded starting at just

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<v Sam>about zero UTC on November 6th, 2024.

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<v Sam>So election night, basically, and Tuesday night in the US. Here we go.

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<v Sam>Hello, everyone. Let's wait till we got the thingy and do the checks.

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<v Sam>Okay, we are here. My live stream checker thing isn't working.

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<v Sam>So I'm gonna have to manually tell curmudgeon's corner chat that we're live.

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<v Sam>And Yvonne's late. Yvonne is late.

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<v Sam>um posts copy post.

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<v Sam>Okay so everybody as this goes through and i know there's nobody actually here

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<v Sam>on the live stream yet yvonne's not even here but we'll just be reacting to

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<v Sam>the various things as we go So there have been two states called so far, Vermont and,

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<v Sam>or three, Vermont, Kentucky, and Indiana, it looks like, from various places.

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<v Sam>No surprises there. I'm actually working in another window in getting my little

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<v Sam>spreadsheet set up so I can track the, you know, when we actually get any swing

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<v Sam>states called, how that reduces the range of possibilities.

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<v Sam>But it'll be a little while in the evening till we get that, I think.

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<v Sam>Hello, Yvonne. Oh, welcome.

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<v Sam>We've had a few states called already, but none that are surprises.

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<v Sam>Kentucky, Indiana, and Vermont.

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<v Ivan>I see that. Yes.

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<v Sam>I'm in the other window setting up my little spreadsheet, which I didn't do

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<v Sam>beforehand to track these as they get called.

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<v Ivan>But I am very glum at this moment. It's not that I'm just not.

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<v Ivan>It's it's not that I I I'm just I I'm I'm dreading just.

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<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, I am.

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<v Ivan>I am. I am just not.

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<v Sam>Let's talk about like, I mean, let me let me throw this in.

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<v Ivan>Come on, you stupid thing. Stop doing that.

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<v Sam>So what do you think right now? Like right now, I am cautiously optimistic.

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<v Sam>I feel like there's been a lot of stuff building in the last week that seems

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<v Sam>like semi-evidence that the polls have been underestimating Harris.

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<v Sam>On the other hand, I don't feel like I can trust my feelings on any of that stuff.

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<v Ivan>Here is my whole problem is that it's just.

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<v Sam>You know, yes, yes.

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<v Ivan>It's just, you know, it's very, very, you know, the results are, you know.

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<v Sam>Are, yes.

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<v Ivan>It's just that the outcome of this is very binary.

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<v Sam>Yes, it is. Like, if it really is as close as everyone thinks it might be,

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<v Sam>if it's not a blowout by one side or the other,

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<v Sam>then it's just going to be like a few votes on one side or the other makes a

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<v Sam>massive difference for the rest of our lives.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, and I guess that's it.

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<v Ivan>So I just, I don't know. I, you know, so I don't know.

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<v Ivan>I'm just, I don't know. My emotions the whole day ran the gamut.

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<v Ivan>I'm not going to, you know, I was feeling, I said, I felt surprisingly not stressed.

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<v Ivan>Like I will say like a two in the afternoon, but as the hour that polls were

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<v Ivan>to close, started approaching my level of anxiety grew exponentially.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>And so, you know, I, yeah, I, I.

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<v Sam>I, I, I, I'm using all of this right now.

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<v Ivan>And so that's, yeah.

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<v Sam>You need your phone located. I'll locate your phone. Hi.

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<v Sam>yeah i mean and i i've i've.

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<v Ivan>I will say that i i there is a surprise i mean you know we're talking about

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<v Ivan>that trump was ahead in florida by it's beeping by a lot and right now it's

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<v Ivan>51 48 in florida and the first returns that are in.

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<v Sam>Well yeah i mean you can't.

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<v Ivan>I'm first first returns are first returns i know and first returns for first

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<v Ivan>returns he can't really you know,

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<v Ivan>but well i'm not i'm not saying you know trump is winning florida i'm just just

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<v Ivan>i mean i i think yeah i i don't know who the fuck knows why the fuck am i i mean this is just,

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<v Ivan>i hate this uh yeah i'm just i i i i i i this this this whole thing has just been,

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<v Ivan>so fucking trading to get to this point. You know,

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<v Ivan>I'm really probably channeling the anxiety of millions right now at this moment

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<v Ivan>where it's just fuck, I mean, what is going to be the outcome?

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<v Ivan>You know, what the fuck is going to be the outcome?

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<v Sam>And look, the vibes for Harris in the last week have been good,

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<v Sam>but you know, you can't trust vibes.

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<v Sam>No, that's the thing. I mean, the, the, the story of the last week has been

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<v Sam>that the Harris folks are like two weeks ago.

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<v Sam>The Harris folks were all sort of sort of depressed Democrats were wetting their

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<v Sam>pants. As they say, everyone was nervous.

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<v Sam>The poll numbers were bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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<v Sam>blah. And then in the last week, vibe wise, that reversed and the Harris people

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<v Sam>got all excited and the Trump people started getting it.

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<v Ivan>But vibes don't win, you know, vibes don't win, you know, votes win.

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<v Ivan>So I don't know, man, you know, it's.

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<v Sam>And people are trying to read tea leaves into the early vote numbers, the attendance.

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<v Sam>And that's never been a good indicator.

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<v Ivan>Of anything you know i mean it's it's you know so we sit here and we you know

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<v Ivan>we're here a little bit earlier than that that we thought because we we're idiots.

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<v Sam>I mean well i i am an idiot i i had it fixed in my head fixed in my head the

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<v Sam>week we changed time was next weekend,

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<v Sam>I don't know why I had that stuck in my head because I knew they moved it because

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<v Sam>it used to be the last year.

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<v Sam>It used to be earlier and they moved it later, but they didn't move it as far

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<v Sam>as I thought they moved it. And I was just like confused.

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<v Sam>And so I said the time wrong on last week's curmudgeon score.

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<v Sam>I said the zero UTC correct, but I converted it into Eastern correct.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, we converted it to Eastern time incorrectly.

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<v Sam>I said 5 p.m. where it's really, well, 5 p.m. Pacific where it's really 4 p.m. Pacific.

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<v Sam>and you know that that translates accordingly to whatever three hours later is on the east coast.

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<v Ivan>I'm gonna have a fucking ulcer i think i'm gonna have a fucking ulcer i i i really i'm just.

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<v Sam>By the way people on the live stream feel free to introduce yourself in the comments oh shit right.

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<v Ivan>That that yeah wait hold on i have to go on the i have to open that link as well.

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<v Sam>Was one of them so that you can view our own? Oh, so you can see the chat.

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<v Ivan>Oh, so you can see the chat.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, look, this is a live stream of us reacting to results

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<v Sam>as they happen. So there's going to be a lot of like nothing.

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<v Sam>And, and actually like I I'm, I'm, I'm figuring like I've got,

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<v Sam>I've got my four up screen of like the, the four news channels on my phone,

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<v Sam>like in front of me, like I've got, I've got four screens of computer,

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<v Sam>but YouTube TV on the computer doesn't do the four up. so i've got the four.

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<v Ivan>Up on my phone yeah it's so weird there are choices on that i know i i mean

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<v Ivan>they're both baffling fucking choices but.

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<v Sam>Here's the thing is i have the volume way down so like i'm not actually hearing

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<v Sam>if they say something important you know so so oh hey bruce is on.

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<v Ivan>Yeah bruce and bob bruce and bob hi both.

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<v Sam>Of you and uh yeah go oliver yeah right right bruce.

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<v Ivan>I think he got some votes somewhere i saw oh.

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<v Sam>I'm sure i i predict he will be the worst performing libertarian in 20 years.

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<v Ivan>Wow well i i did see some i i can't remember where i was which state i was looking

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<v Ivan>at but they were showing whatchamacallit stein had gotten some votes somewhere

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<v Ivan>uh let's see i think was in kentucky i'm.

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<v Sam>Sure she's getting.

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<v Ivan>Votes i mean no no but it wasn't no it wasn't stein no i it was actually rfk

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<v Ivan>jr and i'm like you know he got like 20 votes or something and i'm just like you know uh hi hi.

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<v Sam>I am cuckoo too i am cuckoo too wants to know are orlando's numbers really better

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<v Sam>for trump this is richard.

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<v Ivan>Ah yeah richard as far as i went in i said the answer is no i'm looking at it

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<v Ivan>right now but here's a problem look you can't look too much into these numbers

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<v Ivan>they don't consider mail-in ballots yet i thought the mail-in.

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<v Sam>Was the first ones that is that in florida are they last in.

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<v Ivan>Some states they do the mail-in first and some they add them last so and and

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<v Ivan>every precinct has to report numbers tonight, still.

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<v Ivan>I mean, I'm looking at it like right now and it's saying Orange County is 5841.

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<v Ivan>So I don't I don't recall off the top of my head what that number was the last time.

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<v Ivan>I don't have it here, but but but certainly that's, you know,

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<v Ivan>so that's now that they don't they don't they add those at the end.

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<v Ivan>So now now there's a lot of the tabulation.

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<v Ivan>the tabulation that the florida pulls in

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<v Ivan>large part is electronic i mean they they they

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<v Ivan>calculate and scan everything with these

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<v Ivan>machines and so they they yeah so now because you could because you could deposit

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<v Ivan>like mail-in ballots i remember just up until today right so yeah so i don't

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<v Ivan>i I don't think that's got that in there, but like what we were just mentioning,

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<v Ivan>you shouldn't read much into anything into these first early numbers yet,

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<v Ivan>even though you've got a lot of like returns already in.

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<v Ivan>So I don't know. I will say that.

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<v Ivan>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Ivan>Um you know but but look getting florida was i mean anybody you know in this

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<v Ivan>election cycle the way things had been going i mean a couple of cycles is always

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<v Ivan>a stretch i mean it's nothing there's no polls that really indicated that florida

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<v Ivan>was i mean that that harris had i mean We were counting on,

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<v Ivan>an error, but Florida polls were not great.

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<v Ivan>So, I don't know.

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<v Ivan>Do I seem happy?

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<v Sam>I'm not sure. You seem stressed, which is understandable.

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<v Sam>Like you said earlier, I think everybody in the country was,

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<v Sam>yeah, like regardless of which side you're on, you're probably stressed about

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<v Sam>this. Like what's going to happen where?

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<v Sam>Like, well, I don't know. It's like if you've bought into the idea on either

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<v Sam>side that, oh, we got this, then maybe you're feeling good right now.

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<v Sam>And maybe as the night progresses, you'll feel less.

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<v Sam>So maybe we'll feel less. So, but yeah.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to look at the answer.

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<v Ivan>What was the result in it in Orange County showed 61 38 the last time.

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<v Ivan>And so let's see. What does it say? Oh, why did this thing move on me?

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<v Ivan>Right now, it is showing, from what's been reported, Orange County, 58, 40, 41.

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<v Ivan>So it's close, but it's only 60% of the vote in.

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<v Ivan>Osceola County, 51, 48, which is just south.

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<v Ivan>That one actually, right now, does look better. But again, this is a problem

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<v Ivan>where you've still got so much of the vote.

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<v Ivan>outstanding that it's no I don't I don't know so,

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<v Ivan>I don't know. And one of the things about anything that happened late in the

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<v Ivan>election with Florida specifically, which made it very difficult for Florida,

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<v Ivan>is that if you weren't registered 30 days before the election,

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<v Ivan>anything that happened late wasn't, you know, you couldn't go and register late.

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<v Ivan>That just wasn't a possibility.

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<v Ivan>So that was something that was definitely not a possibility.

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<v Sam>So um so i finished

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<v Sam>i finished my little spreadsheet i probably should have done it in google

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<v Sam>sheets so i could share it but i did it in excel

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<v Sam>because i'm dumb and so just as the starting point like what i've what i've

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<v Sam>done is taken basically only the ones that were classified as weak in my averages

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<v Sam>the ones under five percent which in the end and it varied over the course of

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<v Sam>time but in the end ended up being exactly the seven states that everybody is

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<v Sam>talking about everything else sorted it out to the sides.

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<v Sam>But that leaves us at, because the only states called right now are completely

00:18:31.030 --> 00:18:37.550
<v Sam>unsurprising states, Vermont, Indiana, and Kentucky, none of which anybody thought was in contention.

00:18:37.930 --> 00:18:43.570
<v Sam>So we still have the range of possibilities, depending on how these seven states

00:18:43.570 --> 00:18:51.550
<v Sam>go right now, are from Harris by 100 to Trump by 86. You know, so.

00:18:51.550 --> 00:18:52.690
<v Ivan>We've got to narrow down.

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<v Sam>Yeah. And like, you know, that won't narrow down until the,

00:18:58.790 --> 00:19:03.750
<v Sam>one of those seven states gets called, which may be a while yet.

00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:10.630
<v Sam>But in the meantime, I think what we're looking for is from the other states

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<v Sam>that aren't one of the core seven, can we gather hints of what's happening based

00:19:17.070 --> 00:19:18.790
<v Sam>on is that, are there states,

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<v Sam>you know, whether it's a red or blue state, is it redder or bluer than expected,

00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:26.230
<v Sam>you know, in terms of what's happening?

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<v Sam>now the problem is with those kinds of stuff like okay indiana has been called

00:19:31.130 --> 00:19:36.170
<v Sam>that doesn't mean we can look at indiana and get any sense of is it redder or

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<v Sam>bluer than we thought it was going to be correct because it's just they can

00:19:39.790 --> 00:19:42.950
<v Sam>call it early because right because they don't flow out.

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<v Ivan>Right but they don't expect well but they don't expect that whatever the end result.

00:19:47.610 --> 00:19:48.730
<v Sam>Is going to.

00:19:48.730 --> 00:19:51.330
<v Ivan>Be even if it's narrower is going to.

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<v Sam>Matter right like right for the for the call that

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<v Sam>like my estimate has indiana at 14.4 percent

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<v Sam>in my average right now but all they're

00:20:01.410 --> 00:20:05.350
<v Sam>all they are saying when they declare it done is it's

00:20:05.350 --> 00:20:08.610
<v Sam>definitely going to be trump like they're not gonna say like

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<v Sam>no they're not gonna be like oh yeah indiana is you know it's coming in 18 instead

00:20:16.230 --> 00:20:22.290
<v Sam>of 14 so trump's doing really well or or the other way around i mean maybe we

00:20:22.290 --> 00:20:23.430
<v Sam>can dig into some of those numbers

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<v Sam>but the thing is those numbers are going to be slow to come in too.

00:20:25.970 --> 00:20:32.290
<v Sam>It's easy to tell if a majorly red state is going to stay red or stay blue.

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<v Sam>The things that might give some hints are if they don't call states like Ohio fairly quickly.

00:20:44.590 --> 00:20:47.670
<v Sam>Ohio is, it's not like Wyoming.

00:20:47.810 --> 00:20:52.930
<v Sam>It's red, but not that red. And so, but they still should be able to,

00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:56.070
<v Sam>if Ohio, like my average has Ohio at 7.8.

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<v Sam>If Ohio is anything like 7.8, they should be able to call it really quickly after Ohio closes.

00:21:02.810 --> 00:21:04.490
<v Sam>If it takes them a while.

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<v Ivan>Bruce is asking the question about, and I think you were just mentioning it,

00:21:08.810 --> 00:21:14.050
<v Ivan>that it's too soon to tell whether they are tracking close to the polls yet.

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<v Ivan>What the information they have provided is not enough to say.

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<v Ivan>because we just know they just know they're

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<v Ivan>they're going to win i mean if you look at indiana which has been called for

00:21:23.430 --> 00:21:26.030
<v Ivan>for trump only 15 percent of the

00:21:26.030 --> 00:21:31.350
<v Ivan>vote is in right i mean it's just you know but which they don't expect scientists

00:21:31.350 --> 00:21:39.030
<v Ivan>you know right so it's just not yeah we just can't tell yet i mean what what

00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:44.170
<v Ivan>it means so now i mean we just really can't tell what it means.

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<v Sam>So what's your favorite site this time around to track these numbers as they come in? New York?

00:21:50.950 --> 00:21:54.810
<v Ivan>Well, I've got, I have three of them up right now.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>So I've got this, you know, for, I got on one screen here, I got Decision Desk HQ.

00:22:03.450 --> 00:22:04.790
<v Sam>That's a good one. That's a good one.

00:22:04.790 --> 00:22:10.050
<v Ivan>I've got the New York Times to the right. And I've got the Washington Post over here.

00:22:10.050 --> 00:22:12.730
<v Ivan>i have a bloomberg up on

00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:17.150
<v Ivan>one screen but they pretty much feed off i'm pretty sure off decision desk so

00:22:17.150 --> 00:22:23.870
<v Ivan>uh it's just more for the video news of what's going on so basically those are

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<v Ivan>the ones that i'm pretty much looking at right now uh but i i don't know i just feel sick.

00:22:32.970 --> 00:22:35.530
<v Sam>Yes oh oh let's see how.

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<v Ivan>Has decision.

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<v Sam>Desk called more they've they've

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<v Sam>got uh trumpet 28 already instead of some teens. So are they calling?

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<v Ivan>I see 28. South Carolina.

00:22:45.430 --> 00:22:50.470
<v Sam>South Carolina. Let me move South Carolina into the column. Another non-surprise.

00:22:50.650 --> 00:22:53.350
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah, they called South Carolina, yeah.

00:22:54.190 --> 00:22:59.090
<v Sam>Decision Desk HQ, by the way, usually calls things faster than almost anybody else.

00:22:59.550 --> 00:23:04.590
<v Sam>Not always, but a lot of the times. But they haven't gotten them wrong,

00:23:04.590 --> 00:23:08.670
<v Sam>but they're more aggressive about calling things relatively quickly.

00:23:09.150 --> 00:23:09.610
<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>my witty repartee today is fantastic I mean right now Georgia accounting is,

00:23:20.950 --> 00:23:25.870
<v Ivan>Florida accounting is going pretty quickly they're at 64% but I know that there's

00:23:25.870 --> 00:23:32.790
<v Ivan>a lot of votes that come in late from some of the bigger counties that's just

00:23:32.790 --> 00:23:34.270
<v Ivan>been historically the case,

00:23:37.450 --> 00:23:39.950
<v Ivan>but we just don't Thank you.

00:23:41.780 --> 00:23:46.180
<v Ivan>But it's, you know, like, see, or some of the bigger counties,

00:23:46.320 --> 00:23:49.160
<v Ivan>like Orange County has 60% of the votes in Palm Beach County,

00:23:49.460 --> 00:23:52.540
<v Ivan>74% of the vote in, like right now,

00:23:53.340 --> 00:23:58.400
<v Ivan>Broward has 72%, Miami has 77%.

00:24:00.800 --> 00:24:06.340
<v Ivan>now so i mean it's 64 percent of the vote in florida right now so but i mean

00:24:06.340 --> 00:24:10.600
<v Ivan>it's 53 46 to trump i mean it's not that's that that's kind of like in line

00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:14.580
<v Ivan>with a lot of the pollings polls so,

00:24:15.520 --> 00:24:21.500
<v Ivan>uh yeah i'm not not not does new.

00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:22.920
<v Sam>York times have a needle this time.

00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:29.060
<v Ivan>No they did not part of it had to do with i don't know it failed.

00:24:29.060 --> 00:24:30.480
<v Sam>Utterly the last couple of times.

00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:33.820
<v Ivan>Well no they were talking about part of it that they were had

00:24:33.820 --> 00:24:38.960
<v Ivan>been working on setting it up but the tech guild strike that they had had impacted

00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.460
<v Ivan>them oh right uh and setting it up and they said that they were going to try

00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:50.460
<v Ivan>to see if they could do it but but that they maybe not you know it it It seemed

00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:53.260
<v Ivan>like that might not be the case.

00:24:53.560 --> 00:25:03.180
<v Ivan>So as far as I checked multiple times, and yeah, they don't seem to be gearing up for the need.

00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.080
<v Sam>Right. So we have a few polls closing in just a few seconds.

00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:12.800
<v Ivan>Well, we got a full 730. We got the time coming in right now.

00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. I had, I had a nice little page somewhere with like all of the closing times.

00:25:20.860 --> 00:25:24.800
<v Ivan>I had it up somewhere and I forgot where the hell I put it.

00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Sam>Yeah. I'm finding it here. Here it is.

00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:35.260
<v Sam>I'll share, I'll share it in the, the chat for everybody. I just have to, of course I, here we go.

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Sam>You know, I hate how they go. We can now project that the race in North Carolina is too close to call.

00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.720
<v Ivan>Thank you. Thank you so much. That's so, that's so.

00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Sam>Uh, it's, or worse when it's just, they can project it's too early to call.

00:25:53.780 --> 00:25:55.440
<v Sam>Like that's not a projection.

00:25:55.780 --> 00:25:58.280
<v Sam>Just say you can't project North Carolina yet.

00:25:59.660 --> 00:26:01.120
<v Ivan>Yeah, that would be nice.

00:26:02.730 --> 00:26:07.370
<v Ivan>7.30 p.m. Poll closings. Four states.

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:13.970
<v Ivan>North Carolina. Who else? I don't know. Look at the map. North Carolina.

00:26:14.570 --> 00:26:20.370
<v Sam>So Bruce mentions initial CNN exit poll. Georgia independent voters favor Trump over Harris.

00:26:21.290 --> 00:26:22.470
<v Ivan>Oh, let's see.

00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:24.950
<v Sam>My take of just looking.

00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:30.430
<v Ivan>Exit polls have been terrible like the last few years. It's been one of those. with it.

00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:33.350
<v Ivan>I mean, I'm not saying that they may be wrong like right now,

00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:37.870
<v Ivan>but it's just, it's just never, I mean, it's just not been a good indicator.

00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:42.450
<v Sam>Well, yeah. And just poll average wise. And I put this in my latest blog post

00:26:42.450 --> 00:26:45.510
<v Sam>on electiongraphs.com that I posted like less than an hour ago.

00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:52.150
<v Sam>But like, if you'd look at the trends in each state, rather than looking at

00:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.090
<v Sam>just the final average, just to see where it's been hovering,

00:26:56.350 --> 00:26:58.210
<v Sam>I would still give Georgia to Trump.

00:26:58.610 --> 00:27:02.830
<v Sam>If there is not a systematic polling error,

00:27:03.190 --> 00:27:08.030
<v Sam>if there's a systematic polling error that everything's underestimating Harris

00:27:08.030 --> 00:27:09.990
<v Sam>or even everything's underestimating Trump,

00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:17.710
<v Sam>it looks like Georgia was just averaging a very narrow Trump lead consistently

00:27:17.710 --> 00:27:19.290
<v Sam>for the last couple months.

00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:23.130
<v Sam>so the all the only way harris wins georgia is

00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:27.990
<v Sam>if there's a systematic error and it the polling was just missing some harris

00:27:27.990 --> 00:27:33.590
<v Sam>voting voting like the the the close ones the ones that in the end like if you

00:27:33.590 --> 00:27:39.810
<v Sam>look at those trends the three blue wall states all really look too close to call unless okay.

00:27:39.810 --> 00:27:43.510
<v Ivan>We got another state called you're gonna be it's a shocker i know.

00:27:43.510 --> 00:27:45.450
<v Sam>Okay i'm ready to log it.

00:27:45.450 --> 00:27:47.330
<v Ivan>Trump when it's west virginia.

00:27:47.330 --> 00:27:50.630
<v Sam>Oh my goodness i never ever

00:27:50.630 --> 00:27:54.450
<v Sam>ever would have guessed that yeah stunning

00:27:54.450 --> 00:27:58.370
<v Sam>we uh so we have still not changed the

00:27:58.370 --> 00:28:02.130
<v Sam>overall picture like every

00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.810
<v Sam>call is an expected call and that's probably going to be

00:28:04.810 --> 00:28:07.810
<v Sam>like the first couple hours of this is every call is an expected

00:28:07.810 --> 00:28:11.810
<v Sam>call like because anything that's at all surprising even

00:28:11.810 --> 00:28:15.170
<v Sam>if the initial things look like that they're going

00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:21.530
<v Sam>to hold off until they're really really sure you know like if there are indications

00:28:21.530 --> 00:28:25.510
<v Sam>that wait a second iowa really is going to be blue like the seltzer poll said

00:28:25.510 --> 00:28:32.370
<v Sam>they're not going to actually call it the first time it looks like it might be blue and.

00:28:32.370 --> 00:28:37.210
<v Ivan>Another non-surprising call they're calling that the senate that the west virginia

00:28:37.210 --> 00:28:43.530
<v Ivan>democratic Senate seat is going to, you know, the Republican, whatever his name is.

00:28:44.370 --> 00:28:49.610
<v Sam>Yeah. No one was surprised by that. I mean, as we've said for years on the show,

00:28:49.810 --> 00:28:55.650
<v Sam>like the fact that Manchin held that seat as long as he did was somewhat of a miracle.

00:28:56.270 --> 00:28:57.210
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:59.330 --> 00:29:04.370
<v Ivan>So, um, so those are the only ones that see any returns on North Carolina.

00:29:04.370 --> 00:29:11.030
<v Ivan>I don't see any, any numbers feeding into anybody here yet. North Carolina.

00:29:11.830 --> 00:29:13.350
<v Ivan>No, no.

00:29:14.330 --> 00:29:18.370
<v Sam>One thing about Georgia and Jim justice in West Virginia was his name.

00:29:18.370 --> 00:29:23.270
<v Ivan>Yeah. Whatever fucking name is. It gives a fuck. Sure.

00:29:23.470 --> 00:29:29.050
<v Ivan>Cause one of the things that many were concerned.

00:29:29.050 --> 00:29:31.970
<v Ivan>and polls had shown this before is about

00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:35.270
<v Ivan>it and it's it really you know

00:29:35.270 --> 00:29:39.190
<v Ivan>talks about what the demographic change that's happened in florida especially

00:29:39.190 --> 00:29:45.450
<v Ivan>with many new arrivals into miami is that right now trump is winning miami um

00:29:45.450 --> 00:29:51.890
<v Ivan>55 44 now palm beach county where i live he's losing and he's losing broward

00:29:51.890 --> 00:29:54.910
<v Ivan>county which is in the middle like by a wide margin 60 40,

00:29:55.470 --> 00:29:58.790
<v Ivan>But that had been, you know,

00:29:59.390 --> 00:30:03.630
<v Ivan>data had shown that he had the possibility of capturing Miami-Dade.

00:30:03.730 --> 00:30:08.590
<v Ivan>And right now, with 80% of the vote in, it's showing he's up 55-44.

00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:15.020
<v Ivan>Like Broward County is the polar opposite, which is like 60, 30, 90 the other way.

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:20.460
<v Ivan>And, you know, where I live is like 52, 47 right now, based on the polling that's

00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Ivan>been, has been reported.

00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.580
<v Sam>So, so Harris is leaving North Carolina at the moment with 2% in.

00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:32.940
<v Ivan>Oh, well, yeah, well, it doesn't mean anything.

00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.100
<v Sam>No, it doesn't mean anything yet. because and i

00:30:36.100 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Sam>mean i'm sure if i was actually listening to the talking heads on

00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.780
<v Sam>the various channels like i see steve kornacki on msnbc and

00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:45.780
<v Sam>uh what what's his name uh king was it king on cnn i

00:30:45.780 --> 00:30:48.520
<v Sam>forget but they're going through their maps and

00:30:48.520 --> 00:30:52.020
<v Sam>pointing county by county and like where are the returns in and when or when

00:30:52.020 --> 00:30:55.980
<v Sam>they aren't and they would be telling you a little bit about like you know are

00:30:55.980 --> 00:31:02.100
<v Sam>the places that are in so far is this what we're expecting to see from those

00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:05.740
<v Sam>places or is it a surprise but i've got the volume down pretty low so i can't

00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:07.360
<v Sam>actually tell what they're saying well.

00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:12.380
<v Ivan>I mean well you're asking about that i'm looking at like wake county which is raleigh.

00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:13.440
<v Sam>I mean it's.

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.800
<v Ivan>70 30 harris like right now.

00:31:15.800 --> 00:31:20.460
<v Sam>Well right the quick but are all the places that are returning votes so far

00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Sam>north carolina the cities basically yeah yeah.

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.860
<v Ivan>Basically if you look at the map the the the places that you've got is really

00:31:27.860 --> 00:31:32.420
<v Ivan>raleigh and the biggest one that's that's returned as Raleigh and a whole bunch

00:31:32.420 --> 00:31:34.220
<v Ivan>of actually other small places.

00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:37.660
<v Ivan>Actually, a lot of other small places, and they're all showing blue.

00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Ivan>And these are a lot of small, smaller areas.

00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Ivan>Yeah. Wow. Okay.

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:52.340
<v Ivan>I mean, yeah. I mean, like Watauga County, pretty small county right now,

00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:57.820
<v Ivan>only 4%, but 60-40 to Harris.

00:31:57.820 --> 00:32:01.500
<v Ivan>So yeah, you've got that going on.

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:09.260
<v Ivan>No, Virginia with 8% of the vote in Harris is ahead 65 to 32%. I mean, it's...

00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:14.650
<v Ivan>I mean, Virginia is one that Harris is expected to take.

00:32:15.910 --> 00:32:21.910
<v Sam>Oh, what? There we go. I was wondering why my electoral vote count of what was called was off by one.

00:32:22.010 --> 00:32:25.390
<v Sam>And it was because I eyeballed wrong.

00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:28.230
<v Sam>And instead of moving South Carolina to the called category,

00:32:28.230 --> 00:32:30.510
<v Sam>I moved Missouri. Let me fix that.

00:32:31.230 --> 00:32:32.250
<v Ivan>Okay. Well, that would, yeah.

00:32:33.530 --> 00:32:35.490
<v Sam>Now everything's good. Not that

00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:39.250
<v Sam>either one of those would have been surprising states in any way, but.

00:32:41.810 --> 00:32:45.290
<v Sam>so let me look at that poll closing times

00:32:45.290 --> 00:32:52.210
<v Sam>when is the first that we actually think is gonna i mean well florida but like

00:32:52.210 --> 00:32:57.130
<v Sam>when's the first real swing state it's it's i mean north carolina is the first

00:32:57.130 --> 00:33:01.330
<v Sam>one that's a swing state that's open and obviously they're starting to trickle

00:33:01.330 --> 00:33:04.790
<v Sam>in results uh well like 7 30.

00:33:04.790 --> 00:33:05.830
<v Ivan>North carolina ohio.

00:33:05.830 --> 00:33:10.910
<v Sam>Yeah it's early eight o'clock it's eight o'clock 8 p.m. we get Pennsylvania

00:33:10.910 --> 00:33:13.090
<v Sam>and Michigan, and those will be big.

00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:18.010
<v Sam>But those are also ones where you get like these weird effects of like,

00:33:18.090 --> 00:33:24.950
<v Sam>like in Pennsylvania, like they can't, they couldn't start counting the mail-in

00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:27.390
<v Sam>ballots until polls close.

00:33:27.570 --> 00:33:30.770
<v Sam>So they haven't even started that. So like some other states,

00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:34.710
<v Sam>like as soon as polls close, they dump the results for all the mail-in ballots.

00:33:35.050 --> 00:33:37.930
<v Sam>Pennsylvania can't do that. Pennsylvania starts counting at that point.

00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:44.390
<v Sam>Okay. Bob says, ABC says Harris isn't doing as well in Florida as Biden did, at least so far.

00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:50.190
<v Sam>I got a thing on Twitter. Trump is not Twitter on Mastodon.

00:33:50.330 --> 00:33:54.630
<v Sam>Trump is underperforming in Georgia, a red County Trump down versus a blue County

00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:58.270
<v Sam>Harris up recalled Trump lost Georgia in 2020. So he has to improve his numbers.

00:33:58.430 --> 00:33:59.470
<v Sam>Otherwise he loses again.

00:33:59.790 --> 00:34:04.250
<v Sam>And they're like passing along some looks like some maps from MSNBC.

00:34:04.730 --> 00:34:05.290
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:34:05.750 --> 00:34:06.770
<v Sam>So we'll see.

00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:14.070
<v Sam>I mean, actual count wise though, Trump is still ahead in Georgia.

00:34:14.810 --> 00:34:18.850
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, but if you look at where it is being reported, Georgia,

00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:22.370
<v Ivan>it's mostly very rural areas, like right now.

00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:26.410
<v Sam>The opposite of what you were saying in North Carolina, where the cities are reporting first.

00:34:26.590 --> 00:34:30.330
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah. You had like Raleigh reporting first. Yeah, so that was like the thing.

00:34:30.430 --> 00:34:35.490
<v Ivan>I mean, the biggest one was like around Raleigh, where you had that first, so that impacted.

00:34:35.670 --> 00:34:38.390
<v Ivan>But yeah, Georgia is totally the opposite at this point. Yeah.

00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:43.270
<v Ivan>I mean, the interesting thing is that, as I'm looking at these.

00:34:44.350 --> 00:34:49.110
<v Ivan>yeah i mean i don't know florida not looking at the end i forget about florida

00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:55.330
<v Ivan>florida's like i i would right now just don't don't even bother just put it

00:34:55.330 --> 00:34:58.830
<v Ivan>in the trump i would at this.

00:34:58.830 --> 00:35:03.410
<v Sam>Point yeah 75 percent of votes in 54 45 right now yeah.

00:35:03.410 --> 00:35:04.590
<v Ivan>Yeah it's not happening.

00:35:04.590 --> 00:35:11.250
<v Sam>That that's like a bigger that like just in terms of whether it's on i was it's around.

00:35:11.250 --> 00:35:14.230
<v Ivan>The same as the last it's it's looking pretty close.

00:35:14.230 --> 00:35:18.150
<v Sam>Well yeah but i'm just saying the poll averages were just over five percent

00:35:18.150 --> 00:35:22.950
<v Sam>right now so if it's a 10 margin it's he's doing better than the polling said correct.

00:35:22.950 --> 00:35:24.250
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah.

00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:30.690
<v Sam>Oh that's nice some county some county in georgia has gotten seven bomb threats

00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:35.350
<v Sam>in the last hour that's nice at the vote you know the the voting office or whatever,

00:35:36.670 --> 00:35:42.750
<v Sam>always lovely they are extending you know in the places affected by bomb threats

00:35:42.750 --> 00:35:44.070
<v Sam>they're giving them more time to vote.

00:35:44.070 --> 00:35:45.150
<v Ivan>No I would,

00:35:46.690 --> 00:35:51.670
<v Ivan>Well, Ohio with 4% of the vote in, it's not surprising right now. Trump's ahead.

00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:55.890
<v Ivan>So, ah, it's almost a surprise.

00:35:57.470 --> 00:36:01.050
<v Sam>I'm playing around with the interfaces for New York Times, Washington Post,

00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:03.270
<v Sam>and Decision Desk. I don't like the Washington Post one.

00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:06.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's not great.

00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:09.490
<v Sam>Just the UI on it kind of sucks.

00:36:11.050 --> 00:36:16.270
<v Ivan>So far, the one that I've used that has the best UI is New York Times.

00:36:16.690 --> 00:36:23.130
<v Sam>Yeah, I would agree with that. DDHQ does have a president win chance percentage that's updating live.

00:36:23.410 --> 00:36:28.710
<v Sam>They have Trump at 64.3% right now. Hey, which is really close to where I had him.

00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:37.810
<v Sam>My final average, 63.6%, or not average.

00:36:38.070 --> 00:36:42.790
<v Sam>That was from my uniform states model was at that.

00:36:43.330 --> 00:36:45.350
<v Sam>So, ta-da.

00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:49.090
<v Sam>Let's see, does New York Times have anything like that? You know,

00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:51.170
<v Sam>that's what their needle would have been, but they don't have.

00:36:51.410 --> 00:36:56.170
<v Ivan>Right, but they, no needle. Well, we really got 15 minutes before,

00:36:56.370 --> 00:36:58.810
<v Ivan>really, we get an important data dump

00:36:58.810 --> 00:37:03.130
<v Ivan>of anything that is going to be consequential right now at this point.

00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:07.790
<v Sam>Where's the, how do we get to the main stupid election page?

00:37:07.830 --> 00:37:11.610
<v Sam>I'm just on the homepage of the New York Times right now, and they've got all the key information.

00:37:11.710 --> 00:37:15.830
<v Ivan>No, there is a link. If you go to election, it clicked on president.

00:37:16.690 --> 00:37:21.970
<v Sam>Looked on president. Okay. There we go. Ah, yes. Same thing, but bigger. Nice.

00:37:22.650 --> 00:37:22.810
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:29.070
<v Sam>And let's see. Yeah. Florida is looking like a decisive win for Trump.

00:37:33.670 --> 00:37:39.870
<v Sam>Uh, so the one thing we can say about Florida is that the fact that Florida

00:37:39.870 --> 00:37:46.450
<v Sam>is not looking like it's where its polls are, is that,

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:54.190
<v Sam>We're probably not talking the scenario where there's a blowout.

00:37:54.330 --> 00:37:58.150
<v Sam>I think we're looking more like that. It's going to be a nail biter after all.

00:37:58.350 --> 00:38:00.570
<v Ivan>Oh yeah. Um, I think, well.

00:38:00.790 --> 00:38:05.570
<v Sam>One thing, unless it's the Trump blowout, the Trump blowout could still be indicated by this.

00:38:05.690 --> 00:38:15.750
<v Ivan>Well, here's one thing. It also, I will say it, the Harris campaign never actively campaigned here.

00:38:16.050 --> 00:38:18.370
<v Ivan>They, they, they, They did not.

00:38:18.550 --> 00:38:21.550
<v Sam>It was like one visit. They came once.

00:38:21.710 --> 00:38:25.410
<v Ivan>I mean, and I have to say that, yeah.

00:38:25.910 --> 00:38:31.830
<v Sam>They did a little bit of advertising, but it was aimed at Donald Trump personally.

00:38:32.170 --> 00:38:37.330
<v Sam>It was like, it was on shows they knew he was watching meant to irritate him.

00:38:37.450 --> 00:38:39.230
<v Sam>It wasn't actually selling to the state.

00:38:39.570 --> 00:38:45.470
<v Ivan>Point is that, obviously, their internals told them that there was no point

00:38:45.470 --> 00:38:50.650
<v Ivan>in doing it. And, and, you know, they, they had, I mean, I had not even been,

00:38:50.950 --> 00:38:54.330
<v Ivan>I, you know, I've heard of so many people canvassing and working and doing stuff or whatever.

00:38:54.970 --> 00:38:57.790
<v Ivan>And in other cycles, I had been approached to do that.

00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:01.910
<v Ivan>I was never even approached in this cycle and I know I'm in their database to do that.

00:39:01.990 --> 00:39:05.350
<v Ivan>So, so that indicated to me that they, they, they pretty much,

00:39:05.490 --> 00:39:11.450
<v Ivan>you know, knew that this was, you know, whatever the result was going to be, it was going to be bad.

00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:14.410
<v Ivan>And I did not see them really make any effort whatsoever.

00:39:14.410 --> 00:39:20.270
<v Sam>Well, and I heard someone on TV earlier today, once again, it was somebody who

00:39:20.270 --> 00:39:24.850
<v Sam>used to work for Howard Dean and lamenting, as we often do, the death of the

00:39:24.850 --> 00:39:28.250
<v Sam>50-state strategy during the early Obama administration.

00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:28.670
<v Ivan>Sure.

00:39:28.810 --> 00:39:34.450
<v Sam>It's like such a lost opportunity that, I mean, and I realize it costs money,

00:39:34.470 --> 00:39:37.930
<v Sam>but like you kind of got to play everywhere.

00:39:38.110 --> 00:39:40.890
<v Sam>It's not just for the short term. It's for building up for long term.

00:39:41.310 --> 00:39:45.810
<v Sam>And if you completely abandon entire areas of the country and basically just

00:39:45.810 --> 00:39:50.370
<v Sam>say, well, I can't, we're not going to win there this year, so we're not going to do anything.

00:39:51.070 --> 00:39:54.110
<v Ivan>I think that is a way to make it worse over time. The future is worse.

00:39:54.270 --> 00:39:55.950
<v Ivan>And that's what they've been doing in Florida.

00:39:56.290 --> 00:40:00.350
<v Ivan>You know, that's just a reality. I mean, there was no, there was no canvassing.

00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:03.450
<v Ivan>I mean, there's just no, no, nothing. There was just no activity. Nothing was done.

00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:09.130
<v Ivan>So, you know, I'm not surprised. You know, even with messaging that may have

00:40:09.130 --> 00:40:13.490
<v Ivan>turned positive for certain things, it's just, you know, there was nothing to

00:40:13.490 --> 00:40:17.890
<v Ivan>turn that into, into votes. Right. Really.

00:40:18.730 --> 00:40:26.770
<v Ivan>So, yeah. I mean, so, so we're now some 49 Eastern.

00:40:27.450 --> 00:40:28.250
<v Sam>Oh, here we go.

00:40:28.870 --> 00:40:30.010
<v Ivan>Yeah. Oh, 10 more.

00:40:30.210 --> 00:40:31.170
<v Sam>49, not 50.

00:40:31.390 --> 00:40:37.610
<v Ivan>49. You got me excited for a second. 49, not 59. 49 so um.

00:40:38.270 --> 00:40:41.930
<v Sam>Yeah, I keep looking at the numbers in the states that are open,

00:40:42.090 --> 00:40:46.070
<v Sam>but they're like North North Carolina is dribbling and it's only at 2%.

00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:48.490
<v Sam>You can't say anything about that.

00:40:49.410 --> 00:40:51.450
<v Ivan>George is at 14%.

00:40:51.450 --> 00:40:59.170
<v Sam>Virginia is coming out as as a healthy Harris by 10, which like the average

00:40:59.170 --> 00:41:00.770
<v Sam>the poll average there was Harris.

00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:02.150
<v Ivan>Five. so.

00:41:02.150 --> 00:41:06.730
<v Sam>So we have like on the one hand trump overperforming by like five percent in.

00:41:06.730 --> 00:41:10.330
<v Ivan>Florida and harris overperforming but in virginia in.

00:41:10.330 --> 00:41:14.330
<v Sam>Virginia so no overall like trend yet.

00:41:14.330 --> 00:41:16.850
<v Ivan>Right right right and.

00:41:16.850 --> 00:41:20.930
<v Sam>Then maybe there won't be you know each state could go its own way you know.

00:41:20.930 --> 00:41:23.550
<v Ivan>Well that's i mean that's one of the

00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:26.550
<v Ivan>things where i i you know i know that you you had your uniform

00:41:26.550 --> 00:41:29.430
<v Ivan>swing versus individual saying and i have to

00:41:29.430 --> 00:41:34.450
<v Ivan>say that seeing the dynamic difference that's happened between georgia and florida

00:41:34.450 --> 00:41:39.530
<v Ivan>over the last 10 years yeah it really shows me that man there is no uniform

00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:44.270
<v Ivan>swing hey i it it really i mean there there is here's the thing so this is why

00:41:44.270 --> 00:41:48.590
<v Ivan>something that moves like one or two points i always usually say it's somewhere.

00:41:48.590 --> 00:41:50.370
<v Sam>In between those two extremes.

00:41:50.370 --> 00:41:51.110
<v Ivan>Right but.

00:41:51.110 --> 00:41:55.690
<v Sam>I think it's closer to uniform swing and even though you have individual states

00:41:55.690 --> 00:42:02.230
<v Sam>go all over the place and wild in general like if the pollsters are systematically

00:42:02.230 --> 00:42:07.730
<v Sam>doing something wrong the same pollsters play in all of the swing states.

00:42:07.730 --> 00:42:12.950
<v Ivan>But they tend to get between georgia and florida they've gone listen georgia

00:42:12.950 --> 00:42:18.690
<v Ivan>was predicted for trump last time and it went the other way and and democrats

00:42:18.690 --> 00:42:20.830
<v Ivan>have overperformed in Georgia,

00:42:20.830 --> 00:42:25.870
<v Ivan>whereas it's been the opposite the last couple of election cycles in Florida.

00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:26.410
<v Sam>Right.

00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:31.550
<v Ivan>It's just been, they've been swinging, they've been swinging a different,

00:42:31.810 --> 00:42:33.450
<v Ivan>in polar opposite directions.

00:42:34.770 --> 00:42:40.130
<v Ivan>And so, I mean, I do listen, there is a thing of like, hey, is there some uniform effect?

00:42:40.910 --> 00:42:47.390
<v Ivan>Yes, there is. But I do think that the bigger effects right now that we're having

00:42:47.390 --> 00:42:54.610
<v Ivan>in the in the polls are far more local 80 to 90 percent than any of the uniform swing that it does.

00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:57.830
<v Ivan>There is some gravitational pull, like, at the large extent,

00:42:57.990 --> 00:43:04.730
<v Ivan>but, man, there are certainly very big local dynamics that are in play in these

00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:05.790
<v Ivan>states, like, right now.

00:43:05.810 --> 00:43:11.090
<v Ivan>Because I just don't see how these two states, you know, in this region have

00:43:11.090 --> 00:43:13.150
<v Ivan>moved in such polar opposite directions.

00:43:13.770 --> 00:43:19.430
<v Sam>Well, if it makes you feel better, Yvonne, like, my independent states odds

00:43:19.430 --> 00:43:23.150
<v Sam>for Harris, like, uniform swing, I have it at 36.4%.

00:43:23.670 --> 00:43:26.490
<v Sam>independent states is down at 13.5 because it

00:43:26.490 --> 00:43:35.210
<v Sam>makes it so that like you know all it takes is one of the the the key blue whatever

00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:41.330
<v Sam>it is the the blue belt whatever the yeah yeah yeah you know wisconsin uh michigan

00:43:41.330 --> 00:43:45.450
<v Sam>and pennsylvania the blue wall all it takes is one of them going the other way and you're done.

00:43:45.450 --> 00:43:46.670
<v Ivan>The blue belt.

00:43:46.670 --> 00:43:54.150
<v Sam>And so if they all move in the same direction then the chances of one of them going the wrong way.

00:43:54.350 --> 00:43:59.510
<v Sam>Like if you only did one of the three, you basically have a one in three chance

00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:02.530
<v Sam>that one or two in three chance that one of them goes the other way.

00:44:02.650 --> 00:44:06.570
<v Sam>You know, I'm not doing the math right, but it's easier for one of them to lose

00:44:06.570 --> 00:44:08.270
<v Sam>than for all three of them to go the wrong way.

00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:13.030
<v Ivan>So, you know, it's like Arizona, take 10 to 13 days, Nevada,

00:44:13.990 --> 00:44:19.890
<v Ivan>November 9th, Georgia says several days. I'm looking at when they could have

00:44:19.890 --> 00:44:21.470
<v Ivan>final tallies for these states.

00:44:21.770 --> 00:44:22.170
<v Sam>Right.

00:44:22.390 --> 00:44:27.190
<v Ivan>Depending on where they are. Florida, because they've tightened it up pretty quickly.

00:44:27.330 --> 00:44:29.950
<v Ivan>So they're getting everything in like right now pretty quick.

00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:31.810
<v Ivan>They're at 80% right now reporting.

00:44:32.410 --> 00:44:36.830
<v Sam>Florida's fast. Florida's fast. I imagine they'll call Florida pretty soon.

00:44:37.150 --> 00:44:38.950
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, I already did.

00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:44.690
<v Sam>I know you did. But I'm not a, you know, I wait for somebody official to call Florida.

00:44:45.330 --> 00:44:46.290
<v Ivan>Somebody official.

00:44:49.510 --> 00:44:56.410
<v Ivan>I'll do these two calls. You can make a column of my calls. I'm calling Virginia right now for Harris.

00:44:56.650 --> 00:44:57.330
<v Sam>There you go.

00:44:57.710 --> 00:45:01.690
<v Ivan>And I'll call Florida for Trump. There you go. All right, I'll do my two calls.

00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:06.350
<v Ivan>And I'm going to call New Hampshire for Harris, too. There you go.

00:45:07.970 --> 00:45:17.250
<v Sam>So, uh, DDHQ has, let's see, Paris is ahead in Ohio now with 11% reporting.

00:45:17.550 --> 00:45:19.510
<v Sam>That would be interesting if that happened.

00:45:19.590 --> 00:45:24.110
<v Ivan>Okay. That would be, I mean, that would be, I mean, that would be,

00:45:24.270 --> 00:45:26.970
<v Ivan>you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, an earthquake.

00:45:27.370 --> 00:45:33.330
<v Sam>I think, I think we're still early because we've got Columbus and Akron have

00:45:33.330 --> 00:45:36.690
<v Sam>reported and then a bunch of rural areas. So, yeah.

00:45:36.690 --> 00:45:38.550
<v Ivan>Yeah. No Cleveland, though.

00:45:38.950 --> 00:45:39.670
<v Sam>No Cincinnati.

00:45:40.330 --> 00:45:46.030
<v Ivan>No Dayton. So that still leaves a lot unreported from the big areas.

00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:47.870
<v Ivan>But here's the interesting thing.

00:45:48.190 --> 00:45:52.910
<v Ivan>In Decision Desk, they have Harris up 55 to 44 on Decision Desk.

00:45:53.330 --> 00:45:56.430
<v Ivan>Looking at New York Times, they have it Trump up.

00:45:56.550 --> 00:46:04.370
<v Ivan>They have only 8% of the vote reporting in New York Times, whereas we got about 11% in on Decision Desk.

00:46:04.490 --> 00:46:09.230
<v Ivan>So they've Now Ohio is up to 10% and New York Times just updated.

00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:12.490
<v Ivan>Still Trump ahead there, but yeah.

00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:18.730
<v Sam>Yeah. And Decision Desk's version of the needle is swinging up.

00:46:18.870 --> 00:46:20.750
<v Sam>They're up to 65% Trump now.

00:46:20.990 --> 00:46:21.470
<v Ivan>Mm-hmm.

00:46:22.610 --> 00:46:26.730
<v Sam>Four minutes till the next batch of states. See, the thing is,

00:46:26.810 --> 00:46:32.030
<v Sam>of course, the states you care about are all the close states that will take the longest to call.

00:46:34.810 --> 00:46:38.530
<v Ivan>Hey pennsylvania what does it say here about the vote counting in pennsylvania

00:46:38.530 --> 00:46:42.750
<v Ivan>counting is not expected to extend beyond election night primarily because election

00:46:42.750 --> 00:46:47.390
<v Ivan>workers are not allowed to start pressing mail ballots until election day oh

00:46:47.390 --> 00:46:49.230
<v Ivan>no counting is expected to extend

00:46:49.230 --> 00:46:52.110
<v Ivan>beyond election night so yeah so they're not going to finish tonight,

00:46:53.450 --> 00:47:00.470
<v Ivan>michigan says oh it's also slow okay all right by the way we're up to five people.

00:47:00.470 --> 00:47:02.050
<v Sam>Here thanks Everybody who's here,

00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:05.290
<v Sam>feel free to introduce yourself in the chat. I see Pete has joined us.

00:47:05.850 --> 00:47:09.850
<v Sam>Yeah. He says, please repeat everything we said for the last hour. Only funnier.

00:47:10.450 --> 00:47:17.810
<v Ivan>Oh, only funnier. I fucking hate this. We don't know shit yet.

00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:28.580
<v Ivan>And I called Florida for Trump and Virginia for Harris and New Hampshire for Harris.

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:37.660
<v Sam>I also mentioned that both Florida and Virginia have wider margins than expected.

00:47:37.700 --> 00:47:39.420
<v Ivan>But in the opposite direction.

00:47:39.600 --> 00:47:43.140
<v Sam>But in the opposite direction. So Virginia is bluer than the polls indicated.

00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.220
<v Sam>Florida is redder than the polls indicated.

00:47:45.540 --> 00:47:52.040
<v Ivan>Right. yeah i mean in decision deaths right now harris is up 54 to 40 54.8 to

00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Ivan>43 percent in virginia so yeah.

00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Sam>Which by the way is yeah the same percentage as ohio at the moment,

00:48:03.620 --> 00:48:09.120
<v Sam>yeah that's 11 percent in yeah the problem with these 11 percent in and things

00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:13.300
<v Sam>like that is it matters which 11%, you know?

00:48:13.700 --> 00:48:16.620
<v Sam>And it also matters the balance of male versus in person.

00:48:17.180 --> 00:48:24.780
<v Ivan>Fulton County has reported 767 votes. 700, not 767,000. I mean, 767.

00:48:26.980 --> 00:48:36.900
<v Ivan>Where are we now? It's 758.45. So we'll get a batch of information pretty soon. we'll.

00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Sam>Probably get some quick calls on a few non-surprising states and then a bunch

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:48.040
<v Sam>of calls that say too soon to call on any state that matters yeah.

00:48:48.040 --> 00:48:53.540
<v Ivan>Bob is saying that he posted a link that is showing the moves i'm not i don't

00:48:53.540 --> 00:48:58.460
<v Ivan>i don't see where you posted that link though bob uh it's not on the slack or

00:48:58.460 --> 00:49:04.780
<v Ivan>we're like i don't i don't i don't see it on yeah i don't see it post it again

00:49:04.780 --> 00:49:06.620
<v Ivan>post it again yeah post it again.

00:49:08.080 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Sam>Oh, less than a minute till the next batch of states.

00:49:11.300 --> 00:49:15.380
<v Ivan>Oh, I also called, you know, oh no, that's, that's officially called.

00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.940
<v Ivan>Well, Trump went one West Virginia. Surprise, surprise.

00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.820
<v Sam>I just got an alert about the South Carolina call, but that was a long time ago, at least from DDHQ.

00:49:24.200 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Ivan>Yeah. It's been a while. Yeah. But it's probably somebody else because I know

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.580
<v Ivan>I saw it a lot of times and Washington Post didn't have it called.

00:49:30.720 --> 00:49:31.380
<v Sam>But yeah. Yeah.

00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.300
<v Ivan>All right. It's eight o'clock.

00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Sam>Officially in the east what.

00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:49.720
<v Ivan>Do we know we know nothing oh well okay decision desk called oklahoma and tennessee.

00:49:49.720 --> 00:49:52.040
<v Sam>Not missouri no i.

00:49:52.040 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Ivan>See oklahoma and tennessee for.

00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.340
<v Sam>I'm looking i'm looking at decision jose i don't see i have.

00:49:57.340 --> 00:49:58.680
<v Ivan>It up here what do you.

00:49:58.680 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Sam>Want okay there we go i you know they're it's out of obviously got an auto refresh

00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:09.140
<v Sam>every few seconds and you got an update before me uh oklahoma missouri maryland.

00:50:09.140 --> 00:50:10.460
<v Ivan>Is for harris.

00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:14.580
<v Sam>Okay big surprise there too shocker uh

00:50:14.580 --> 00:50:17.860
<v Sam>let me move all of these over we got maryland we

00:50:17.860 --> 00:50:27.980
<v Sam>got massachusetts we got rhode island all as expected we got as you said oklahoma

00:50:27.980 --> 00:50:35.380
<v Sam>oklahoma missouri oh we'd already moved Kentucky,

00:50:36.140 --> 00:50:39.640
<v Sam>Indiana, already moved.

00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Sam>Who did I miss? That's it. That's all the new ones, right?

00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Ivan>Mm-hmm.

00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:46.540
<v Sam>Oh, no, Mississippi and Alabama.

00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:51.640
<v Ivan>Oh, Mississippi and Alabama, too. Yeah. Also shocking developments.

00:50:54.200 --> 00:50:57.060
<v Ivan>But no additional data. Okay,

00:50:57.140 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Ivan>I see some data trickling in in Washington Post on, I mean,

00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.220
<v Ivan>on the New York Times on on pennsylvania they've

00:51:05.220 --> 00:51:08.780
<v Ivan>got uh three percent reporting harris up

00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Ivan>72 27 with three percent but three percent means nothing i know where is it

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:21.740
<v Ivan>it's pittsburgh go go go go pete there you go 72 27 you guys are knocking it

00:51:21.740 --> 00:51:28.160
<v Ivan>out at a park there you go connecticut and massachusetts i've been called for harris okay.

00:51:28.160 --> 00:51:30.840
<v Sam>I already got massachusetts i'll move connecticut.

00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Ivan>And rhode i already.

00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.240
<v Sam>Got rhode island who called connecticut.

00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:39.900
<v Ivan>Uh i see it here in the new york times they got they got connecticut okay.

00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:44.860
<v Sam>I'm moving mine over if anybody calls them decision dust doesn't have connecticut

00:51:44.860 --> 00:51:51.500
<v Sam>yet yeah just compare and new york times doesn't have missouri yet but nine

00:51:51.500 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Sam>percent of the vote in in texas and harris is leading.

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah it's all dallas yeah.

00:51:58.540 --> 00:52:03.220
<v Sam>North Carolina is up to 6%. Harris still ahead. All still cities,

00:52:03.240 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Sam>I presume, even though I haven't clicked.

00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:10.560
<v Ivan>Jesus, Harris. I mean, with 20% in Ohio, the lead is big.

00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:16.520
<v Sam>Still leading. Yeah. With 26%, according to New York Times, and Harris is still ahead by 10%. Yeah.

00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Ivan>I mean, it's a large number of votes. It's 140,000 votes.

00:52:22.460 --> 00:52:24.460
<v Sam>Is it still all cities, though? Let's click through.

00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.580
<v Ivan>There's some rural areas reporting, too, but the cities. but mostly where to

00:52:28.580 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Ivan>most of the people are. Yeah.

00:52:30.060 --> 00:52:30.120
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:33.860
<v Ivan>But that's where most of the people are. I mean, how much was the total?

00:52:34.040 --> 00:52:37.580
<v Ivan>I mean, I mean, yeah, it's a lot of ground to make up as well.

00:52:37.700 --> 00:52:40.580
<v Sam>Well, yeah. But what, what we need to know is for all those counties,

00:52:41.040 --> 00:52:46.260
<v Sam>how does it compare to what is expected in each county? And I don't know that we have that yet.

00:52:47.240 --> 00:52:47.600
<v Ivan>No.

00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:50.060
<v Sam>Okay. I'm going to listen to this for a second.

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.860
<v Sam>Yeah. This time, maybe Texas for Democrats, Pete says.

00:52:56.540 --> 00:52:58.380
<v Ivan>I'm not holding my breath pete.

00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Sam>No he he was saying my entire life this is what i've heard is what he's oh yeah.

00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:05.300
<v Ivan>Well yeah yeah.

00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:13.400
<v Sam>Well within our lifetimes texas did have blue people like blue people yeah blue

00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:18.100
<v Sam>man group what it was only the the 80s that still had like that's right they.

00:53:18.100 --> 00:53:19.180
<v Ivan>Had a democratic governor.

00:53:19.180 --> 00:53:21.540
<v Sam>Yeah and senators and such.

00:53:21.540 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Ivan>And senators yeah i forgot about that.

00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:32.780
<v Sam>Called florida no wow gee yeah i know you'd already called florida,

00:53:33.620 --> 00:53:41.520
<v Sam>oh let me do that um i think i'm yeah i'm not i just don't like the washington

00:53:41.520 --> 00:53:44.940
<v Sam>post interface every time i click it i'm like i don't like this no it's it's.

00:53:44.940 --> 00:53:49.620
<v Ivan>Terrible it's really terrible it's it's really bad i i just i have it up but

00:53:49.620 --> 00:53:53.300
<v Ivan>i'm not i'm just looking at what they update but I'm barely using it.

00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.560
<v Ivan>I'm really more toggling between New.

00:53:56.560 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Sam>York times and DDHQ.

00:53:58.260 --> 00:53:58.740
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:53:59.180 --> 00:54:03.520
<v Sam>For anybody else following along, let me, let me, I'll put the links in the

00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Sam>chat to both the DDHQ page and the New York times page.

00:54:07.540 --> 00:54:13.020
<v Sam>If you haven't followed them, found them yourself just so we can do that.

00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.220
<v Sam>Where's my mouse? There's my, of course, every once in a while I should flip

00:54:17.220 --> 00:54:18.720
<v Sam>over to Senate and stuff, but.

00:54:19.060 --> 00:54:20.220
<v Ivan>Ah, fuck the Senate.

00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:25.720
<v Sam>Oh, Rick Scott wins. Speaking of Senate.

00:54:26.460 --> 00:54:33.560
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Well, Michigan has some votes and I see 2% New York times.

00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:36.240
<v Ivan>See what it says. Harris way up.

00:54:36.500 --> 00:54:38.640
<v Sam>2% and it's all.

00:54:39.020 --> 00:54:42.520
<v Ivan>It doesn't actually show where. Oh, near Detroit. Oh, Detroit suburb.

00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.060
<v Ivan>Yeah. But not, not Detroit itself, but Detroit suburb.

00:54:46.910 --> 00:54:49.190
<v Sam>This Ohio one is really intriguing.

00:54:49.670 --> 00:54:50.330
<v Ivan>I know.

00:54:50.950 --> 00:54:53.650
<v Sam>Like that would, that one would be a surprise.

00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:56.390
<v Ivan>That one would be a shocker. Yes, absolutely.

00:54:57.830 --> 00:55:03.070
<v Sam>And I mean, only 30% in, but it it's that leads hanging on so far.

00:55:03.090 --> 00:55:07.750
<v Ivan>But yeah, I mean, because North Carolina Harris is up, but it's only 7% reporting.

00:55:07.890 --> 00:55:12.550
<v Ivan>So that's not, you know, that much, but, but Ohio is, is, is there's,

00:55:12.610 --> 00:55:16.310
<v Ivan>they've got 30, they got a third of the vote in and it's, it's a,

00:55:16.910 --> 00:55:23.550
<v Ivan>it's a substantial lead it's 140 000 lead you know vote lead it's not a small lead so and and.

00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:28.090
<v Sam>If if ohio goes that's a indication of michigan and pennsylvania.

00:55:28.090 --> 00:55:32.090
<v Ivan>Yeah and wisconsin yeah um but.

00:55:32.090 --> 00:55:34.690
<v Sam>Like i don't know this is one.

00:55:34.690 --> 00:55:41.490
<v Ivan>Of those where i i don't know it's just too yeah it's still too early And most of it's from the.

00:55:41.490 --> 00:55:42.450
<v Sam>The, yeah.

00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:45.190
<v Ivan>I know.

00:55:45.910 --> 00:55:50.050
<v Sam>Well, Donald Trump has taken the lead in Texas with 17% in.

00:55:50.650 --> 00:55:53.450
<v Ivan>Yeah. Jeez. Okay. Pete, there you go.

00:55:53.630 --> 00:55:58.810
<v Ivan>There goes, there, there goes your, yeah, no, no more leading in Texas.

00:55:59.050 --> 00:56:02.470
<v Sam>I think what everybody's looking for, for Texas is Ted Cruz.

00:56:02.710 --> 00:56:05.590
<v Ivan>It's the 50, 50, 49, by the way. Oh, yeah, I know.

00:56:05.730 --> 00:56:06.750
<v Sam>It's still close, but.

00:56:07.110 --> 00:56:10.570
<v Ivan>But, but yeah. Ah, how counties

00:56:10.570 --> 00:56:13.510
<v Ivan>are shifting there you go so so bob just

00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:16.490
<v Ivan>shared that map also let's see i got

00:56:16.490 --> 00:56:20.690
<v Ivan>that up now or here another screen so

00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:26.570
<v Ivan>okay this is a good thing so florida is showing that it went redder which that

00:56:26.570 --> 00:56:30.650
<v Ivan>was like the information that we saw but dude this thing is showing ohio is

00:56:30.650 --> 00:56:36.710
<v Ivan>going way bluer yeah big time bluer yeah that.

00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:38.370
<v Sam>Would be huge.

00:56:38.370 --> 00:56:43.590
<v Ivan>Yeah and it's showing big time bluer in ohio holy shit and.

00:56:43.590 --> 00:56:47.050
<v Sam>That's 17 electoral votes that's almost as big as pennsylvania.

00:56:47.050 --> 00:56:50.330
<v Ivan>And and and in in in in

00:56:50.330 --> 00:56:53.210
<v Ivan>georgia it's also showing that you know

00:56:53.210 --> 00:56:56.330
<v Ivan>where biden won is also

00:56:56.330 --> 00:56:59.330
<v Ivan>bluer as well but the ohio

00:56:59.330 --> 00:57:02.870
<v Ivan>number is the one that's really interesting we're showing that it

00:57:02.870 --> 00:57:07.430
<v Ivan>is significantly bluer shit oh

00:57:07.430 --> 00:57:12.870
<v Ivan>god don't don't fuck don't don't don't don't fuck with me don't don't play with

00:57:12.870 --> 00:57:16.310
<v Ivan>me numbers man don't don't fuck with me don't don't don't don't play this game

00:57:16.310 --> 00:57:21.290
<v Ivan>come on well at least that mob map from from the washington post is better than

00:57:21.290 --> 00:57:27.250
<v Ivan>that yes that one is good Yeah, their main one is terrible, but this is good.

00:57:28.030 --> 00:57:31.610
<v Ivan>Yeah, this one is definitely very good. But damn.

00:57:34.210 --> 00:57:38.710
<v Ivan>Virginia, 31%. Let's see. Ugh, come on.

00:57:40.590 --> 00:57:44.650
<v Sam>Let's see what you get. 1% in Kansas trumps ahead.

00:57:45.370 --> 00:57:50.630
<v Ivan>Oh, well. Well, the margin in Virginia has gotten tighter. It's now about 51.47.

00:57:50.830 --> 00:57:52.090
<v Ivan>So that's about four points.

00:57:52.450 --> 00:57:54.250
<v Sam>Which is about what was expected.

00:57:54.690 --> 00:57:54.930
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:57:55.290 --> 00:58:02.270
<v Sam>I mean, my, let's see, what was my Virginia average? 6.1, Harris by 6.1.

00:58:02.570 --> 00:58:08.110
<v Ivan>Now, the interesting thing is that the map that they produced for in here,

00:58:08.250 --> 00:58:09.770
<v Ivan>it's not showing North Carolina.

00:58:10.590 --> 00:58:14.530
<v Ivan>swings yet but actually there are some that is showing that it's definitely

00:58:14.530 --> 00:58:18.570
<v Ivan>two some of the votes that are coming in well no the the one but the ones that

00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:21.530
<v Ivan>are showing up is showing that north carolina definitely bluer in the places

00:58:21.530 --> 00:58:23.890
<v Ivan>that it that votes have been coming in than before.

00:58:23.890 --> 00:58:27.930
<v Sam>Well bottom left hand corner of north carolina look there's some red arrows there.

00:58:28.430 --> 00:58:31.850
<v Ivan>Yeah but if you look at the top like around where

00:58:31.850 --> 00:58:35.490
<v Ivan>raleigh where the big population center it's got a blue arrow there the other

00:58:35.490 --> 00:58:39.750
<v Ivan>way so but it's just very but very little data very little data very little

00:58:39.750 --> 00:58:44.090
<v Ivan>data ohio they've got a lot more data and they're showing it's that that map

00:58:44.090 --> 00:58:50.230
<v Ivan>is like it's is the polar opposite of of uh of of florida.

00:58:50.230 --> 00:58:54.590
<v Sam>Right i've got i've got my four up news channels here on the the phone and none

00:58:54.590 --> 00:59:01.170
<v Sam>of the four have mentioned ohio yet as that as i can see so i'm wondering why not because it just.

00:59:01.170 --> 00:59:06.050
<v Ivan>It does seem interesting i mean i don't know these fucking people older talking

00:59:06.050 --> 00:59:07.210
<v Ivan>about is bullshit all days.

00:59:07.330 --> 00:59:10.850
<v Ivan>Why don't I'm not even listening to what the fuck they're saying, for God's sakes.

00:59:12.310 --> 00:59:15.910
<v Ivan>I don't know. There's like just a lot of dribble gibberish.

00:59:17.150 --> 00:59:18.350
<v Sam>Okay, they're talking about Michigan.

00:59:19.050 --> 00:59:22.050
<v Ivan>Well, the Michigan votes then, but that's 2%. I mean, whatever.

00:59:22.550 --> 00:59:22.870
<v Sam>Yeah, no.

00:59:22.970 --> 00:59:25.970
<v Ivan>Pennsylvania is up to 5%. The margin is ridiculous.

00:59:26.570 --> 00:59:26.990
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah.

00:59:27.150 --> 00:59:28.670
<v Ivan>I mean, no, no, no, no, no.

00:59:29.350 --> 00:59:31.450
<v Sam>It's Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. It's Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

00:59:31.470 --> 00:59:37.910
<v Ivan>Yeah, but dude, dude, it's 76 to 23. Okay, all right, that's not, you know...

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:45.980
<v Ivan>I mean, it's 76 to 23. It's not, you know, it's, I mean, that number is like beyond overwhelming.

00:59:46.540 --> 00:59:51.420
<v Sam>Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, the New York Times definitely has the best interface

00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:55.260
<v Sam>here for like clicking into states and seeing details and blah, blah, blah.

00:59:56.620 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Sam>Like DDHQ is sometimes faster with some of the information, but New York Times has the best interface.

01:00:01.720 --> 01:00:04.520
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. In order to dive into what's going on. Yeah.

01:00:05.120 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Sam>And oh, oh, DDHQ.

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:12.820
<v Ivan>By the way, the DDHQ margin, the chance is dropping like a rock all of a sudden.

01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:18.360
<v Sam>Yeah, and they've colored in Ohio leaning blue. They haven't called it yet,

01:00:18.500 --> 01:00:19.900
<v Sam>but they've colored it in leaning blue.

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Ivan>They've got Pennsylvania leaning blue.

01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Sam>And North Carolina.

01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:26.440
<v Ivan>They've got Michigan leaning blue. And Virginia and North Carolina.

01:00:26.560 --> 01:00:26.980
<v Sam>That's right.

01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:28.740
<v Ivan>That's game over.

01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:30.600
<v Sam>That's game over if that's the case.

01:00:31.220 --> 01:00:32.160
<v Ivan>Holy fuck.

01:00:34.300 --> 01:00:35.780
<v Ivan>It's a Christmas miracle.

01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.340
<v Sam>Pennsylvania, Ohio, and North Carolina.

01:00:38.660 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Ivan>Listen, if that's true, I'm going to cry. I mean, I'm serious.

01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Ivan>You're going to have me crying here.

01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.900
<v Sam>I'll take losing Georgia if you get North Carolina and Ohio.

01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:52.460
<v Sam>Like, no, Ohio wasn't on anybody's radar.

01:00:52.680 --> 01:00:53.300
<v Ivan>No! No!

01:00:54.430 --> 01:00:56.290
<v Ivan>I mean, I mean.

01:00:56.410 --> 01:01:01.070
<v Sam>There were a couple of points. Let me, let me look at my Ohio graph for a second.

01:01:01.770 --> 01:01:07.810
<v Sam>There were a couple of polls showing it close, but they look, they were outliers.

01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:08.610
<v Ivan>Right.

01:01:09.010 --> 01:01:14.530
<v Sam>Like there was a, there was a Miami university poll in Ohio that actually just

01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:19.390
<v Sam>came out a few days ago, but was in the field like the last week is in the field,

01:01:19.570 --> 01:01:23.230
<v Sam>October 28th to October 30th that had Trump only had by 3%.

01:01:23.230 --> 01:01:29.210
<v Sam>But also in the last week, there were a whole bunch of other polls showing him

01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:33.810
<v Sam>up six, up seven, up as high as 12, like in Ohio.

01:01:34.270 --> 01:01:38.930
<v Sam>So that Trump only up by three in Ohio was definitely an outlier.

01:01:39.330 --> 01:01:45.250
<v Sam>So I don't know if this is a situation. Oh, Ohio's down to 51-48,

01:01:45.450 --> 01:01:46.750
<v Sam>according to New York Times, or 37.

01:01:47.050 --> 01:01:48.490
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get that.

01:01:48.570 --> 01:01:51.730
<v Sam>So this may slip away. like that though.

01:01:51.730 --> 01:01:57.790
<v Ivan>This by the way decision desk has it at at 54 to 45 still okay by the way but

01:01:57.790 --> 01:02:02.870
<v Ivan>but i do they do they don't have as many votes yeah yeah so that yeah it's 1.6

01:02:02.870 --> 01:02:05.290
<v Ivan>million versus let's see what's the number so.

01:02:05.290 --> 01:02:06.430
<v Sam>I think i think this is a blue.

01:02:06.430 --> 01:02:15.490
<v Ivan>Moron wait no no no no wait they have more yes yes yes they're looking at 1.6

01:02:15.490 --> 01:02:22.710
<v Ivan>million votes in in in ddhq versus oh versus new york times only has about two

01:02:22.710 --> 01:02:25.090
<v Ivan>now they're up to two million now they're up to two million okay.

01:02:25.790 --> 01:02:28.630
<v Sam>New york times is 36 percent in uh.

01:02:28.630 --> 01:02:30.790
<v Ivan>Yeah now that oh.

01:02:30.790 --> 01:02:32.970
<v Sam>Man that was exciting to think about for a few seconds.

01:02:32.970 --> 01:02:35.610
<v Ivan>It's still that it's still you know still.

01:02:35.610 --> 01:02:39.390
<v Sam>In play it's still in play it's still closer than people thought maybe but.

01:02:39.390 --> 01:02:45.390
<v Ivan>No and the map listen like i said the the the the map that we're looking at

01:02:45.390 --> 01:02:51.110
<v Ivan>is still showing that ohio is definitely bluer right the the the the map on

01:02:51.110 --> 01:02:55.510
<v Ivan>the on the washington post is showing that that is that that is still the case

01:02:55.510 --> 01:02:57.370
<v Ivan>it that that has not changed,

01:02:58.490 --> 01:03:02.790
<v Ivan>And the change in Georgia, the changes look slight.

01:03:03.010 --> 01:03:08.850
<v Ivan>You know how they show the arrows where there is some slight red movement,

01:03:08.890 --> 01:03:12.230
<v Ivan>but there's also a blue movement in Georgia.

01:03:12.870 --> 01:03:19.930
<v Ivan>But if you look at where the blue movement is, it's in areas of larger population.

01:03:20.230 --> 01:03:23.230
<v Ivan>So that one is, you know.

01:03:24.370 --> 01:03:25.010
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:03:25.890 --> 01:03:29.430
<v Ivan>Well, by the way, North Carolina is still four point lead, but 9% in,

01:03:29.550 --> 01:03:31.810
<v Ivan>but I'm not, I'm not sure where.

01:03:32.990 --> 01:03:38.470
<v Sam>Pete says Ohio always does this. The cities report first and then a 98% rural

01:03:38.470 --> 01:03:39.490
<v Sam>counties overwhelm them.

01:03:39.930 --> 01:03:43.970
<v Ivan>No, but, but, but the one thing is Pete, the different, the thing is that the

01:03:43.970 --> 01:03:48.230
<v Ivan>Washington Post map is showing that there is a substantial swing towards blue

01:03:48.230 --> 01:03:51.570
<v Ivan>votes in everywhere. which doesn't ohio which.

01:03:51.570 --> 01:03:56.390
<v Sam>Doesn't mean harris will win but it looks like it's going to be closer than it was.

01:03:56.390 --> 01:03:59.950
<v Ivan>Correct four years ago right but but

01:03:59.950 --> 01:04:02.650
<v Ivan>basically all the arrows are blue i mean

01:04:02.650 --> 01:04:08.470
<v Ivan>every single one and and and and and and and the shifts are here's the one thing

01:04:08.470 --> 01:04:11.390
<v Ivan>it's not just the shift the shifts that they're showing are large i don't know

01:04:11.390 --> 01:04:13.930
<v Ivan>if you're looking at you know the size of the arrow in terms of size of the

01:04:13.930 --> 01:04:21.150
<v Ivan>shift if you look at it there's a lot of very large arrows in in that ohio map they're not small new.

01:04:21.150 --> 01:04:25.450
<v Sam>York times calls hi a likely r they have a little they don't have the real needle

01:04:25.450 --> 01:04:30.510
<v Sam>but they have like a little icon of the needle they're calling pennsylvania

01:04:30.510 --> 01:04:34.570
<v Sam>toss-up michigan a toss-up north carolina toss-up.

01:04:34.570 --> 01:04:37.650
<v Ivan>Oh i oh yeah yeah i see georgia.

01:04:37.650 --> 01:04:39.470
<v Sam>Toss-up that's not really.

01:04:39.470 --> 01:04:43.290
<v Ivan>Helpful it's not very helpful new york times and there's a reason apparently

01:04:43.290 --> 01:04:48.750
<v Ivan>why you fucking shut this thing off let's see what about north carolina toss-up

01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:55.310
<v Ivan>yeah they got north carolina toss-up what time is wisconsin close well.

01:04:55.310 --> 01:05:00.450
<v Sam>Let me check my map wisconsin 9 p.m eastern 9 p.m.

01:05:00.450 --> 01:05:06.690
<v Ivan>Eastern listen i will say this though the ddhq percent chance is that it is

01:05:06.690 --> 01:05:09.510
<v Ivan>swung substantially hard the other way.

01:05:09.510 --> 01:05:13.670
<v Sam>Yeah they are now at well 61 percent trump.

01:05:13.670 --> 01:05:18.510
<v Ivan>Yeah but that but that's actually down from 72 yeah and but no but it's it's

01:05:18.510 --> 01:05:23.090
<v Ivan>down from like where it started this is like the lowest it is it started tracking

01:05:23.090 --> 01:05:26.030
<v Ivan>is what i'm looking at right now yeah their their.

01:05:26.030 --> 01:05:30.670
<v Sam>Current projection is 276 electoral votes for trump 262 for harris.

01:05:30.670 --> 01:05:36.450
<v Ivan>They started at around 61.60 they started they started around 60 and right now

01:05:36.450 --> 01:05:41.210
<v Ivan>it's well it's it's around the same number it swung up but then it it it pushed

01:05:41.210 --> 01:05:46.810
<v Ivan>back down as these returns came in oh what says.

01:05:46.810 --> 01:05:50.370
<v Sam>Pete says the needle just came back there it is the needle is there.

01:05:50.370 --> 01:05:53.150
<v Ivan>I'm gonna call new jersey for for,

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:59.520
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There it is. Basically, yeah. And what is a show? Toss-up.

01:06:00.580 --> 01:06:06.540
<v Sam>With a slight lean towards Trump. Which is what the polling said before we started tonight.

01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:10.820
<v Ivan>Correct. Basically, that is not new information.

01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:15.140
<v Sam>Yeah. Now, of course, what everybody on the Harris side was all hyped about

01:06:15.140 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Sam>was, looks like the polls are all wrong and they're missing something.

01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:21.340
<v Ivan>We don't know that yet.

01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Sam>We still don't know. We still don't know.

01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:28.700
<v Ivan>Yeah, we still don't know that yet. So, I mean, that's the one thing.

01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:32.380
<v Ivan>None of that we will know tonight, or the polls, right?

01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:38.720
<v Sam>I think the one thing we're seeing now, unless we get a real huge surprise somewhere,

01:06:39.040 --> 01:06:41.680
<v Sam>is that it really is close.

01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:43.000
<v Ivan>It really is close.

01:06:43.140 --> 01:06:45.660
<v Sam>Like we had said, there's a whole range of possibilities. Well,

01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:50.380
<v Sam>there's still a whole range of possibilities, but that whole range could be

01:06:50.380 --> 01:06:55.020
<v Sam>determined by a whole bunch of states that really are close. like the problem.

01:06:55.020 --> 01:07:00.880
<v Ivan>Is the electoral college magnifies things did you create my column of called states i i did.

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:02.120
<v Sam>Not create a column for you.

01:07:02.120 --> 01:07:03.200
<v Ivan>I'm you're an asshole.

01:07:03.200 --> 01:07:05.900
<v Sam>You can create your own damn spreadsheet.

01:07:05.900 --> 01:07:13.420
<v Ivan>You have a spreadsheet hi manu well he can't hear you but yeah mono he said

01:07:13.420 --> 01:07:14.600
<v Ivan>he said hi can you say hi i'm.

01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:16.380
<v Sam>On i'm on headphones too yeah.

01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:22.040
<v Ivan>You want to say hi talk to a microphone hi oh there you go okay all right there

01:07:22.040 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Ivan>you go kansas is showing blue in one map but but uh yeah the legal says very

01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:33.460
<v Ivan>likely are but it's showing it's hilarious seven.

01:07:33.460 --> 01:07:40.700
<v Sam>Percent still close is it city oh much more data on the like changing states

01:07:40.700 --> 01:07:42.440
<v Sam>the changing counties thing.

01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:43.820
<v Ivan>Lots lots.

01:07:43.820 --> 01:07:45.880
<v Sam>Of virginia redder than last time.

01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:47.360
<v Ivan>Kentucky redder.

01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:54.100
<v Sam>Than last time florida redder yeah redder and georgia so far.

01:07:54.100 --> 01:08:00.940
<v Ivan>Kansas is showing bluer the arrows that have come up way bluer ddhq.

01:08:00.940 --> 01:08:03.340
<v Sam>Has kansas leaning blue at the moment.

01:08:03.340 --> 01:08:04.160
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:08:06.180 --> 01:08:10.500
<v Sam>They still have a violating blue needle needle needle.

01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:13.240
<v Ivan>Here's an interesting thing you know we're

01:08:13.240 --> 01:08:16.300
<v Ivan>talking about cleveland ohio with 40 percent of the votes reported

01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:19.060
<v Ivan>right yeah well the reality is that

01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Ivan>even from the cities they've only reported 40 percent of the votes

01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:26.780
<v Ivan>from the cities and and that margin is overwhelming in the cities still but

01:08:26.780 --> 01:08:31.300
<v Ivan>but they're reporting it's not like they already it's 100 of columbus or hamilton

01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:39.980
<v Ivan>county or cuyahoga that's reported it's cuyahoga is 33% and Harris is up by 70 to 30.

01:08:40.820 --> 01:08:45.820
<v Ivan>We got Franklin County is 70-30 as well, but only 40% of the votes.

01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:55.060
<v Ivan>So there is still quite a lot of, and Toledo, the same 40% of the votes, 63-36.

01:08:55.300 --> 01:08:59.420
<v Ivan>So you've got, yeah, I mean, that margin in Ohio has been shrinking.

01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.400
<v Ivan>And right now it's like, actually in in the new york times

01:09:02.400 --> 01:09:05.300
<v Ivan>data showing like right now trump leading by

01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:08.080
<v Ivan>0.1 but but there's still

01:09:08.080 --> 01:09:11.300
<v Ivan>a lot of votes also from from it's not

01:09:11.300 --> 01:09:16.820
<v Ivan>like they they shot their load from from the big counties and there are still

01:09:16.820 --> 01:09:21.060
<v Ivan>not votes to be counted right that's what it's it's looking at right right now

01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:25.460
<v Ivan>so and actually i'm looking at the smaller counties they've reported larger

01:09:25.460 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Ivan>percentages are you looking at ohio still yeah yeah donald.

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.420
<v Sam>Trump has taken the lead in ohio now.

01:09:32.420 --> 01:09:35.120
<v Ivan>Yeah by 0.1 yeah yeah yeah.

01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:42.360
<v Sam>That's why they didn't talk about ohio yet but it is closer it is close oh it's

01:09:42.360 --> 01:09:51.020
<v Sam>way closer florida abortion thing lost wow wow florida rejects proposal to include

01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:52.720
<v Sam>right to abortion in state's constitution.

01:09:57.110 --> 01:10:02.930
<v Ivan>I'm speechless about that one. I mean, if you won't even vote for that, then... Wow.

01:10:04.370 --> 01:10:05.270
<v Sam>Toss up.

01:10:07.690 --> 01:10:09.210
<v Sam>Scanning all these states.

01:10:09.950 --> 01:10:14.870
<v Ivan>I mean, I figured that even if they voted for this orange clown in Florida, they would have...

01:10:15.390 --> 01:10:23.070
<v Ivan>By the way, legalized marijuana is only 55% as well. The abortion rights won 57%.

01:10:23.770 --> 01:10:32.310
<v Ivan>so yeah no they didn't uh it's yeah so they they needed it's the threshold is

01:10:32.310 --> 01:10:35.190
<v Ivan>well over 60 percent in order for that to trump's.

01:10:35.190 --> 01:10:42.150
<v Sam>Taking the lead in virginia 40 in still expected to go the other way but if

01:10:42.150 --> 01:10:45.730
<v Sam>you look at that county swing map virginia is all heading red.

01:10:45.730 --> 01:10:51.170
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah of course it It also depends on who's reporting right now.

01:10:51.810 --> 01:10:51.930
<v Sam>Yep.

01:10:55.750 --> 01:10:58.450
<v Sam>DDHQ's Trump win odds are back up to 71%.

01:10:58.450 --> 01:11:06.130
<v Ivan>Yeah, I see that. Well, Harris has a healthy lead in Michigan right now with 5% of the vote in.

01:11:06.490 --> 01:11:10.790
<v Ivan>And with 80% of the vote in Pennsylvania as well, but very early still.

01:11:11.090 --> 01:11:12.990
<v Sam>Yeah, those are still tiny numbers.

01:11:13.410 --> 01:11:19.930
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, the needle has Virginia still lean deep, even with those votes,

01:11:20.050 --> 01:11:21.450
<v Ivan>and North Carolina is still a toss-up.

01:11:21.930 --> 01:11:24.410
<v Sam>I'm not feeling as good as I was an hour and a half ago.

01:11:28.330 --> 01:11:30.470
<v Sam>Next poll's closing in five seconds.

01:11:31.190 --> 01:11:39.110
<v Ivan>Who's closing now? Well, I didn't feel very good to start, so not exactly.

01:11:40.470 --> 01:11:43.470
<v Ivan>I didn't feel good at all the entire time.

01:11:46.510 --> 01:11:47.210
<v Sam>Arkansas.

01:11:47.210 --> 01:11:51.250
<v Ivan>Well Arkansas got called by DDHQ for Trump.

01:11:51.250 --> 01:11:56.910
<v Sam>Yeah I just added that I am off by one electoral vote what am I missing for

01:11:56.910 --> 01:12:01.690
<v Sam>oh okay now that's right four to 30 South Carolina okay.

01:12:01.690 --> 01:12:09.210
<v Ivan>I will call Illinois for but you're not tracking me every rural county that

01:12:09.210 --> 01:12:16.070
<v Ivan>they are showing in Ohio Look, in the Washington Post map, it shows the shift by,

01:12:16.690 --> 01:12:22.830
<v Ivan>and it's, all the small counties are D plus a significant amount.

01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:24.170
<v Sam>But probably not enough.

01:12:24.530 --> 01:12:29.030
<v Ivan>I mean, like D plus 9, D plus 8, D plus 8.

01:12:32.070 --> 01:12:38.330
<v Ivan>die i mean it's not insignificant that's what i'm trying to say.

01:12:40.190 --> 01:12:46.150
<v Sam>Who do we have here what else did they do delaware uh.

01:12:46.150 --> 01:12:47.330
<v Ivan>Okay yeah sure.

01:12:47.330 --> 01:12:54.550
<v Sam>Like my total i have the same states marked off as like these sites but my total

01:12:54.550 --> 01:12:59.070
<v Sam>doesn't add up the same and i've checked the votes in each state and they match

01:12:59.070 --> 01:13:01.970
<v Sam>so i'm like where did i get like where did i get 101 one.

01:13:02.210 --> 01:13:04.370
<v Sam>That doesn't match the states they lit up.

01:13:04.670 --> 01:13:06.730
<v Sam>You know, whatever. Okay.

01:13:07.650 --> 01:13:11.810
<v Sam>Hey, to the folks watching on the live stream, I see there are seven of you now.

01:13:11.910 --> 01:13:16.850
<v Sam>So if you haven't introduced yourself on the chat, feel free to jump in and say hi on the chat.

01:13:17.090 --> 01:13:20.110
<v Sam>Or not. You can stay quiet if you want. It's fine.

01:13:21.010 --> 01:13:24.730
<v Sam>Oh, the needle says Harris is on track to win the popular vote, though.

01:13:26.170 --> 01:13:27.130
<v Ivan>Great. Thanks.

01:13:28.110 --> 01:13:33.390
<v Sam>Trump has pulled ahead in North Carolina with 14% in. Still ahead in Virginia.

01:13:34.270 --> 01:13:40.210
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. By 20 votes. Yes. In North Carolina.

01:13:40.510 --> 01:13:42.210
<v Sam>I know. I see it. I see it.

01:13:42.330 --> 01:13:45.550
<v Ivan>I see it. It's not a good...

01:13:47.770 --> 01:13:49.070
<v Ivan>Yeah, by 20 votes.

01:13:49.930 --> 01:13:55.190
<v Sam>Imagine if that was what the margin ended up as. You know, Donald Trump's lawsuits would go nuts.

01:13:55.610 --> 01:13:56.430
<v Ivan>Oh, God.

01:13:57.610 --> 01:14:02.790
<v Sam>Or Harris's if it went the other way. Yeah. A 20-vote margin, anybody would sue over.

01:14:02.970 --> 01:14:04.610
<v Ivan>Well, I think it's automatic recount.

01:14:04.830 --> 01:14:06.750
<v Sam>Well, that depends on the state. I don't know about North Carolina.

01:14:06.750 --> 01:14:09.730
<v Ivan>But I don't know what the North Carolina rules are either. Yeah.

01:14:09.950 --> 01:14:11.970
<v Ivan>So here's the interesting thing, Sam.

01:14:14.410 --> 01:14:21.610
<v Ivan>Decision Desk is receiving more vote totals for Ohio.

01:14:23.350 --> 01:14:29.850
<v Ivan>And Harris is ahead. And Harris continues to be ahead in Ohio at 35%.

01:14:29.850 --> 01:14:32.490
<v Sam>Well, but New York has 42% in.

01:14:32.690 --> 01:14:36.150
<v Ivan>Yeah, but my question is, of course, which percentage should they have?

01:14:36.310 --> 01:14:40.410
<v Ivan>Because the thing is that they keep, it's, you know, depending on where they're sourcing their data.

01:14:40.410 --> 01:14:44.990
<v Ivan>the one thing is that the ohio one in in decision desk is consistently showed,

01:14:45.850 --> 01:14:49.190
<v Ivan>showing it the other way so but but obviously you know it all depends on where

01:14:49.190 --> 01:14:52.770
<v Ivan>you know the votes are that they're collecting are being reported from i'm gonna

01:14:52.770 --> 01:14:54.150
<v Ivan>try to see if i can look at some of the.

01:14:54.150 --> 01:14:59.190
<v Sam>Oh dc that's the one vote that i'm missing they they gave dc dc has been called.

01:14:59.190 --> 01:15:05.990
<v Ivan>Yeah well oh my god i'm so shocked sam yeah wait no that's that's.

01:15:05.990 --> 01:15:10.190
<v Sam>Not what i was missing but what i'm missing a red, I'm really missing a red. Let's see, for example.

01:15:10.370 --> 01:15:13.450
<v Ivan>I'm looking at in the New York times.

01:15:13.870 --> 01:15:16.070
<v Ivan>Okay. So I'm just comparing, I haven't looked at both, both,

01:15:16.230 --> 01:15:20.310
<v Ivan>both, uh, both of the data Franklin County, which is where Columbus is.

01:15:20.490 --> 01:15:22.390
<v Ivan>And they've got 40% of the vote in, okay.

01:15:22.870 --> 01:15:29.410
<v Ivan>And in New York times and decision desk, they've, yeah, they've only got 38% of the vote in.

01:15:29.550 --> 01:15:32.230
<v Ivan>So that's the big difference between one or the other.

01:15:32.470 --> 01:15:35.970
<v Ivan>However, here's the thing. I would add a lot more votes to.

01:15:36.510 --> 01:15:39.370
<v Ivan>So I don't know. So that's the one thing.

01:15:39.470 --> 01:15:43.470
<v Ivan>It's very interesting how they're getting their data because they're obviously

01:15:43.470 --> 01:15:47.350
<v Ivan>sourcing it significantly differently at this point.

01:15:47.750 --> 01:15:50.830
<v Sam>Jonathan wants to know when Trump is going to declare victory.

01:15:51.550 --> 01:15:52.070
<v Ivan>Tonight?

01:15:52.490 --> 01:15:53.490
<v Sam>No, but what time?

01:15:54.050 --> 01:15:55.410
<v Ivan>Oh, gosh, I don't know.

01:15:56.410 --> 01:16:01.470
<v Sam>I'd say Bannon chastised him like last week for waiting till two in the morning

01:16:01.470 --> 01:16:04.410
<v Sam>to declare victory last time and said he should do it at 10 p.m.

01:16:04.790 --> 01:16:06.490
<v Sam>So I'm going to guess 10 p.m. Eastern.

01:16:07.350 --> 01:16:11.730
<v Ivan>Oh, 250,000 votes over here.

01:16:12.670 --> 01:16:17.670
<v Ivan>They've got, it's very interesting. They've got the same number of votes in Columbus.

01:16:18.170 --> 01:16:22.450
<v Sam>Oh, they've got Illinois. Illinois just called, you called that a while ago, but.

01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:29.570
<v Ivan>Oh, geez. Well, North Carolina right now in, in, it's a much bigger lead for,

01:16:29.770 --> 01:16:33.730
<v Ivan>for in, in New York times, like right now that, uh, that it was, and they they've got it.

01:16:34.210 --> 01:16:38.010
<v Ivan>They've got it shaded leaning red on, on DDHQ right now.

01:16:38.190 --> 01:16:38.490
<v Sam>Yep.

01:16:40.230 --> 01:16:44.370
<v Ivan>51 to 48. Virginia is a lot closer. Fuck.

01:16:44.870 --> 01:16:47.750
<v Sam>Robinson lost in North Carolina, though. Expected.

01:16:48.670 --> 01:16:50.570
<v Ivan>Robinson was a Republican?

01:16:50.890 --> 01:16:55.130
<v Sam>The crazy governor. The crazy governor who, like, Nazi porn or whatever it was.

01:16:55.370 --> 01:16:56.310
<v Ivan>Oh, okay. All right. Well.

01:16:57.070 --> 01:17:01.730
<v Sam>This is going to come back to the blue wall states again, because it doesn't

01:17:01.730 --> 01:17:06.190
<v Sam>look good so far for the other potential pickups that Harris had.

01:17:06.710 --> 01:17:09.430
<v Ivan>No. No. No. Not at all. No.

01:17:10.230 --> 01:17:14.630
<v Ivan>Yeah, this is crazy, but you realize that right now Texas is close.

01:17:14.810 --> 01:17:18.730
<v Ivan>I mean, which I guess makes sense given how much effort put into the states.

01:17:18.910 --> 01:17:21.750
<v Ivan>I mean, Texas is closer than Florida.

01:17:22.190 --> 01:17:24.490
<v Ivan>Florida is a blowout number.

01:17:25.450 --> 01:17:30.370
<v Sam>Well, there wasn't a lot of effort put into Texas either, except for Allred,

01:17:30.610 --> 01:17:32.310
<v Sam>but not necessarily for Harris.

01:17:33.090 --> 01:17:36.710
<v Ivan>Yeah, but geez, it's not even, I mean.

01:17:36.710 --> 01:17:42.990
<v Sam>Just checking just checking senate results cruise is a head right with 50 of

01:17:42.990 --> 01:17:48.150
<v Sam>the votes in by how much 59.4 to 48.7.

01:17:48.150 --> 01:17:54.370
<v Ivan>Wait 51.4 to 48 you said 49.4.

01:17:54.370 --> 01:17:55.830
<v Sam>To 48.7.

01:17:55.830 --> 01:18:01.930
<v Ivan>49.4 to 48.7 49.4 to 48.7 it's that fucking close yeah with two with how much

01:18:01.930 --> 01:18:07.030
<v Ivan>reported uh 50 holy shit that's Tight.

01:18:08.070 --> 01:18:09.690
<v Sam>Needle is moving redder.

01:18:10.770 --> 01:18:12.090
<v Ivan>Not by much.

01:18:22.390 --> 01:18:26.370
<v Ivan>say 43 what what are the next states that close at nine o'clock.

01:18:26.370 --> 01:18:31.730
<v Sam>Let me check my map you want nine o'clock closings louisiana iowa wisconsin

01:18:31.730 --> 01:18:38.250
<v Sam>new york minnesota nebraska south dakota wyoming colorado new mexico arizona.

01:18:38.250 --> 01:18:46.810
<v Ivan>That's an interesting bunch at nine o'clock yeah i'll tell you what But Ohio is still super tight.

01:18:47.110 --> 01:18:55.010
<v Ivan>I mean, what they're saying here in the data,

01:18:55.290 --> 01:19:00.670
<v Ivan>which is that Columbus County still only reported, I don't care which source

01:19:00.670 --> 01:19:04.070
<v Ivan>you look at, New York Times or so, only 40% of their votes.

01:19:04.510 --> 01:19:06.630
<v Ivan>Cleveland only shows 33.

01:19:08.170 --> 01:19:13.050
<v Ivan>And Cincinnati with only 37. I mean,

01:19:13.510 --> 01:19:21.970
<v Ivan>Harris is winning all three by 65 to 30, you know, 35 March,

01:19:22.170 --> 01:19:24.630
<v Ivan>70. I mean, almost like 70% to 30.

01:19:25.150 --> 01:19:33.450
<v Ivan>I mean, if that's accurate, that's a big number of votes that have still not come in there in those.

01:19:33.910 --> 01:19:35.710
<v Ivan>Whereas I'm looking at a lot of the

01:19:35.710 --> 01:19:40.290
<v Ivan>smaller counties, their percentages of reported votes are a lot higher.

01:19:41.490 --> 01:19:47.210
<v Ivan>They're north of 50% almost every small county that I've that I've clicked on.

01:19:48.950 --> 01:19:50.930
<v Sam>But there are a lot of them. They add up.

01:19:51.610 --> 01:19:56.850
<v Ivan>No, but but Sam, it's not. It's I know what you're saying. I know what I'm saying.

01:19:57.190 --> 01:19:59.810
<v Ivan>I'm the it's it's.

01:20:01.280 --> 01:20:05.960
<v Ivan>it makes it very close. It doesn't, it's, it's, it makes it extremely close.

01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:09.360
<v Ivan>Give it because yeah, Sam. Yeah. There are a lot of them. Yeah.

01:20:09.480 --> 01:20:10.720
<v Ivan>Great. But you know, you know.

01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:16.440
<v Sam>I mean the bottom line from that Washington post chart is Trump lost a lot of

01:20:16.440 --> 01:20:21.420
<v Sam>ground in Ohio, no matter what the, but the thing is he had a lot of ground to lose.

01:20:21.900 --> 01:20:24.560
<v Ivan>The question is, hello.

01:20:26.140 --> 01:20:28.360
<v Sam>Margin in Texas is up to 6% now.

01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:30.440
<v Ivan>More, more like expected.

01:20:30.440 --> 01:20:37.040
<v Sam>More like what? Oh, for Cruz. Cruz. 2%.

01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:40.060
<v Ivan>I really hate him.

01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:45.680
<v Sam>The house map is slowly filling in too, but it'll be a long time until we know what's going on.

01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:54.060
<v Sam>I mean, some of the key purple seats are in California.

01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:55.280
<v Sam>California takes weeks.

01:20:56.480 --> 01:20:58.800
<v Sam>And New York isn't all that speedy either.

01:20:59.560 --> 01:20:59.760
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:21:02.040 --> 01:21:05.040
<v Sam>Harris is still ahead in Kansas. 28% in.

01:21:06.140 --> 01:21:07.900
<v Ivan>Let me see what's reported in Kansas.

01:21:13.340 --> 01:21:20.220
<v Ivan>Not Wichita. Hey, my wife is home from pole duty.

01:21:20.900 --> 01:21:26.520
<v Ivan>What? Hey, where are you going? What happened? No, we won't. We're live.

01:21:27.400 --> 01:21:30.160
<v Ivan>well well you can you can save you're tired,

01:21:33.100 --> 01:21:38.880
<v Ivan>I can get a kiss. Is that allowed? Yes. All right. Thank you.

01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.280
<v Sam>What the hell? New York Times doesn't have the county breakdowns in Maine.

01:21:43.580 --> 01:21:46.520
<v Sam>I'm not county. Congressional district breakdowns.

01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:47.320
<v Ivan>Oh.

01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:52.280
<v Sam>And they matter in Maine and Nebraska. Does DDHQ have it? No.

01:21:53.780 --> 01:21:56.000
<v Sam>DDHQ has changed Ohio to leaning red.

01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:00.460
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, they did. Well, now they've got, now their number,

01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:06.500
<v Ivan>yeah, they're reporting. they're at about the same reporting 43 45 percent.

01:22:06.500 --> 01:22:10.820
<v Sam>Or it's 65 in Georgia now and 5

01:22:10.820 --> 01:22:15.960
<v Sam>percent more do I think see unless all the missing votes are in Kansas is.

01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:21.260
<v Ivan>Showing extremely I mean Oklahoma actually I'm looking at Oklahoma and I'm looking

01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:25.600
<v Ivan>Kansas both of them are showing extreme moves to blue but but.

01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.960
<v Sam>But but they're so red it doesn't you know matter but

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:34.720
<v Sam>yeah wow well not enough like that the whole thing we were talking about earlier

01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:40.600
<v Sam>about the 50 states strategy it should not be ignored even if they don't flip

01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:46.880
<v Sam>blue if ohio and kansas and oklahoma are bluer than they were four years ago

01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:48.440
<v Sam>that's something to pay attention that.

01:22:48.440 --> 01:22:49.280
<v Ivan>Helps with the house.

01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:51.220
<v Sam>Well maybe not.

01:22:51.320 --> 01:22:58.420
<v Ivan>You know, when, when you, when you invest enough time over time, over time,

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:03.580
<v Ivan>not, not in one cycle, but it's just, the problem is that you can't just not

01:23:03.580 --> 01:23:06.520
<v Ivan>invest in it and just leave it, you know, um.

01:23:08.020 --> 01:23:09.960
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, they did call Oklahoma for him.

01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:15.340
<v Sam>MSNBC is saying what we were talking about like an hour ago,

01:23:15.340 --> 01:23:23.060
<v Sam>that it does look like the public polling that said things are close was roughly right.

01:23:23.300 --> 01:23:29.620
<v Sam>Like the idea that it could be off in one direction and either Donald Trump

01:23:29.620 --> 01:23:33.220
<v Sam>or Harris could actually end up with a blowout tonight.

01:23:33.220 --> 01:23:39.660
<v Ivan>So basically, the HLs that they did made it be closer to accurate.

01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:41.920
<v Sam>It looks that way.

01:23:42.160 --> 01:23:43.420
<v Ivan>It's looking that way so far.

01:23:43.540 --> 01:23:49.360
<v Sam>Now, even still, if we've got a bunch of close states, the electoral college

01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:53.220
<v Sam>margin could still be big on either side. Correct.

01:23:53.360 --> 01:24:00.040
<v Sam>Because, you know, a 0.01% difference in a close state moves the entire set

01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:02.060
<v Sam>of electoral votes from one side to the other.

01:24:02.060 --> 01:24:05.500
<v Sam>but i hear you but it looks like this

01:24:05.500 --> 01:24:09.080
<v Sam>is going to potentially come down to several

01:24:09.080 --> 01:24:12.940
<v Sam>really close states now we're already like unless

01:24:12.940 --> 01:24:18.060
<v Sam>something changes dramatically and soon it looks like north carolina and georgia

01:24:18.060 --> 01:24:23.720
<v Sam>are not going to be two of those close states it could well be like what i'm

01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:28.020
<v Sam>in unless we see like a surprise in arizona or something and recent polling

01:24:28.020 --> 01:24:29.880
<v Sam>and if it looks like polling has been accurate.

01:24:30.420 --> 01:24:34.320
<v Sam>Arizona was getting red over the last couple of weeks, but unless we have a

01:24:34.320 --> 01:24:37.700
<v Sam>surprise from out there somewhere, Arizona, Nevada, whatever,

01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:40.280
<v Sam>it's the blue wall states again.

01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:45.920
<v Sam>It's Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are the ones that it's all going to come down to here.

01:24:46.620 --> 01:24:50.220
<v Sam>I had Michigan and Wisconsin slightly bluer than Pennsylvania.

01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:52.820
<v Sam>So if they come through, it'll all be Pennsylvania.

01:24:53.700 --> 01:24:59.060
<v Sam>So we'll see. But of course, At this point, any one of those three could still

01:24:59.060 --> 01:25:01.580
<v Sam>go red, too. They could all go red.

01:25:02.160 --> 01:25:06.280
<v Sam>Donald Trump could still sweep all the close states. That's still very possible right now.

01:25:07.460 --> 01:25:09.440
<v Sam>Oh, New York Times has a shift page, too.

01:25:10.400 --> 01:25:10.540
<v Ivan>Hmm?

01:25:11.120 --> 01:25:13.840
<v Sam>New York Times has a shift from 2020 page as well.

01:25:14.460 --> 01:25:16.040
<v Ivan>Oh, they didn't. Okay.

01:25:16.420 --> 01:25:19.140
<v Sam>Except I just lost it. I hit them.

01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:19.920
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:26.700
<v Sam>Oh, there you go. Yeah. Now they only have, like, they don't,

01:25:26.740 --> 01:25:30.240
<v Sam>they're missing a bunch of states that Washington Post has the,

01:25:30.380 --> 01:25:34.640
<v Sam>for that margin by county live forecast. Yeah.

01:25:36.440 --> 01:25:37.480
<v Sam>Interesting pages.

01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:43.420
<v Ivan>Ah, well, this page, those are good. Wisconsin close at nine,

01:25:43.620 --> 01:25:45.920
<v Ivan>Iowa at nine, Minnesota at nine. Okay. Yes.

01:25:47.240 --> 01:25:50.860
<v Sam>Pennsylvania is so misleading. It's all the, it's all the population center.

01:25:51.580 --> 01:25:55.320
<v Sam>It's Pittsburgh and Philly. It's Pittsburgh and Philly and the suburbs. They're on.

01:25:56.540 --> 01:25:56.960
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:25:58.020 --> 01:26:03.480
<v Sam>Oh, did I, I already have New Jersey. New Jersey has been called. Did I? Nope.

01:26:03.660 --> 01:26:08.820
<v Ivan>Yeah. New Jersey has been called. it is but not a lot of their votes only like

01:26:08.820 --> 01:26:12.880
<v Ivan>for example philadelphia is only like 16 percent of vote 13 percent of the vote

01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:17.920
<v Ivan>it's still but it's still a small percentage of the uh.

01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:20.900
<v Sam>Of the of the ones where the total vote of

01:26:20.900 --> 01:26:25.520
<v Sam>the ones where the expected margin was under 10 the only one called yet is florida

01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:30.500
<v Sam>and it went and it went in the direction it was expected to go but by more than

01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:35.660
<v Sam>it was expected to go yeah by by a decent amount if florida is an indication

01:26:35.660 --> 01:26:40.680
<v Sam>of anywhere else but again ohio is going to opposite direction um ohio.

01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:42.680
<v Ivan>Is going to totally opposite direction so that's.

01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:48.020
<v Sam>And and virginia is virginia as well well virginia is going in the red direction

01:26:48.020 --> 01:26:52.880
<v Sam>virginia is much closer i mean trump's in the lead in virginia right now so

01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:57.160
<v Sam>now they still have it as lead d on new york times yeah.

01:26:57.160 --> 01:26:58.040
<v Ivan>Yeah and so it.

01:26:58.040 --> 01:27:01.540
<v Sam>Must be well and wait wait usually that wait wait ddhq has

01:27:01.540 --> 01:27:04.960
<v Sam>called virginia for harris though okay so

01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.300
<v Sam>no wait wait wait like yo i

01:27:08.300 --> 01:27:13.780
<v Sam>i respect ddhq for their early calls they they look at the trends early but

01:27:13.780 --> 01:27:19.000
<v Sam>they called it for harris while she was behind you know and i well i know but

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:22.780
<v Sam>i think because of why it's because of where it is where the remaining votes

01:27:22.780 --> 01:27:27.640
<v Sam>are i know i know but it's just it's just like it just seems in congress well actually by.

01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:30.880
<v Ivan>The way in in in in uh new york times right now.

01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:31.900
<v Sam>I'm gonna move it though no.

01:27:31.900 --> 01:27:34.700
<v Ivan>She's still behind no she's still behind she's still behind but but,

01:27:36.040 --> 01:27:36.780
<v Ivan>She's still behind it.

01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:41.960
<v Sam>Okay, so Virginia is the second state that's been called that had a margin under 10.

01:27:42.860 --> 01:27:53.100
<v Sam>Although, like I said, DDA HQ feels early on this one, but DDA HQ is very good. Very good.

01:27:54.440 --> 01:27:59.420
<v Sam>I wish Pennsylvania and Michigan would report faster, but I know they're both

01:27:59.420 --> 01:28:01.860
<v Sam>going to be reporting for days, probably.

01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:08.520
<v Ivan>Yeah, and Ohio. margin is definitely moving the other way the one thing is that

01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:10.020
<v Ivan>i and i saw this in the last,

01:28:11.160 --> 01:28:14.380
<v Ivan>election where ohio is very confusing

01:28:14.380 --> 01:28:17.300
<v Ivan>in the in the way that i've seen how they report

01:28:17.300 --> 01:28:20.600
<v Ivan>percentage of votes that that are yet

01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:24.260
<v Ivan>to be counted okay where i

01:28:24.260 --> 01:28:27.220
<v Ivan>the last couple of times i've seen these where it

01:28:27.220 --> 01:28:30.320
<v Ivan>says that oh but there's a lot of votes leaving in the cities

01:28:30.320 --> 01:28:35.360
<v Ivan>for whatever reason what i recall is that it didn't materialize in that way

01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:40.660
<v Ivan>right which is why i think that that that you know the new york times is showing

01:28:40.660 --> 01:28:49.480
<v Ivan>it as likely are right now period because of now that of that information tennessee.

01:28:49.480 --> 01:28:52.440
<v Sam>Called to another non-surprise.

01:28:52.440 --> 01:28:57.740
<v Ivan>A non-surprise i see did you put down kentucky because i see kentucky.

01:28:57.740 --> 01:28:59.600
<v Sam>Yeah it was one of the very first ones called.

01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:02.200
<v Ivan>I see missouri also called yep.

01:29:02.200 --> 01:29:08.940
<v Sam>Got that it was also a while ago oh i get it though the ddhq's number bars on

01:29:08.940 --> 01:29:13.620
<v Sam>the top the 128 versus 67 include all the leaning states not just the called states.

01:29:13.620 --> 01:29:15.380
<v Ivan>Okay they.

01:29:15.380 --> 01:29:20.100
<v Sam>They should there should be two colors there oh oh michigan is leaning blue.

01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:21.460
<v Ivan>Not called.

01:29:21.460 --> 01:29:23.700
<v Sam>Yet like by ddhq they just changed the color.

01:29:23.700 --> 01:29:29.000
<v Ivan>No but yeah but it's leaning blue yeah yeah oh 15.

01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:34.820
<v Sam>And 9 come on It's all going to come down to these three fucking midwest states

01:29:34.820 --> 01:29:38.080
<v Sam>and they're going to be like, we're going to be waiting days.

01:29:43.080 --> 01:29:49.760
<v Sam>Which, by the way, everything so far is lining up with the poll averages as

01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:51.960
<v Sam>they were. Without corrections.

01:29:52.460 --> 01:29:56.680
<v Ivan>We're not having... The one thing is, we're not having...

01:29:58.190 --> 01:30:00.710
<v Ivan>I mean, we're not having the situation.

01:30:01.390 --> 01:30:06.310
<v Sam>Yeah, we're not having the situation where, oh, my God, the polls were missing X, Y, Z.

01:30:06.670 --> 01:30:11.550
<v Sam>And really, it's 5% bluer or 5% redder than what the polls were saying.

01:30:11.570 --> 01:30:13.150
<v Ivan>Except in Florida. Except in Florida.

01:30:13.410 --> 01:30:13.950
<v Sam>Except in Florida.

01:30:13.970 --> 01:30:14.710
<v Ivan>Yeah, except in Florida.

01:30:14.710 --> 01:30:18.970
<v Sam>Well, and Virginia. Virginia is about 5% redder than it was looking to.

01:30:19.190 --> 01:30:24.650
<v Ivan>Well, not with the final tally. At this point, it's like, obviously,

01:30:24.950 --> 01:30:28.710
<v Ivan>I mean, the fact that the DHQ called it is because they believe that that's

01:30:28.710 --> 01:30:32.710
<v Ivan>going to wind back up again. So, you know.

01:30:33.010 --> 01:30:35.730
<v Sam>Yeah, but we don't know by how much. But yeah.

01:30:36.110 --> 01:30:39.350
<v Ivan>We don't know by how much, but yeah. All right. So.

01:30:39.690 --> 01:30:42.910
<v Sam>Nebraska, too early to call. They're making some calls now. We just passed nine o'clock.

01:30:43.510 --> 01:30:45.330
<v Ivan>Well, Nebraska over here says it's called.

01:30:45.470 --> 01:30:46.390
<v Sam>Colorado, too early.

01:30:46.990 --> 01:30:49.710
<v Ivan>No, Nebraska over here says called. Okay.

01:30:51.210 --> 01:30:51.610
<v Sam>MSNBC.

01:30:52.450 --> 01:30:55.790
<v Ivan>Both New York Times and whatever have Nebraska, South America.

01:30:55.990 --> 01:31:00.790
<v Sam>But they're not splitting Nebraska. Oh, my God. Like, is Nebraska 2 going to

01:31:00.790 --> 01:31:02.710
<v Sam>go blue like everyone expects or not?

01:31:03.230 --> 01:31:05.690
<v Sam>It needs to be separated out. Okay.

01:31:05.770 --> 01:31:07.250
<v Ivan>They have two electoral. How much?

01:31:07.710 --> 01:31:12.070
<v Sam>Well, it's got four. It's got Nebraska has five. So two are for the statewide

01:31:12.070 --> 01:31:13.590
<v Sam>number and then one for each.

01:31:14.010 --> 01:31:16.990
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. So they've got one that is two of them are.

01:31:17.250 --> 01:31:21.110
<v Sam>Okay. North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming. We got all kinds of states happening.

01:31:21.730 --> 01:31:27.810
<v Sam>Let's see, Wyoming, and let's do the North and South Dakota,

01:31:28.890 --> 01:31:31.970
<v Sam>Nebraska, all moving not over.

01:31:32.730 --> 01:31:36.550
<v Ivan>Look, the one interesting thing that, you know, Ohio, the needle has it.

01:31:36.550 --> 01:31:40.070
<v Sam>There they go. New York Times, I didn't notice. They have the congressional

01:31:40.070 --> 01:31:42.970
<v Sam>districts over in the right-hand corner for Maine.

01:31:43.050 --> 01:31:45.990
<v Ivan>Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They have them at the bottom. Yeah, that's right.

01:31:47.170 --> 01:31:50.470
<v Ivan>So, Ohio, New York Times does have it, likely are.

01:31:50.890 --> 01:31:55.510
<v Ivan>Yeah. But North Carolina, no. They just have a toss-up.

01:31:55.630 --> 01:31:56.270
<v Sam>Slightly leaner.

01:31:56.290 --> 01:31:59.630
<v Ivan>It's been toss-up. It's still a toss-up.

01:31:59.910 --> 01:32:05.850
<v Ivan>That's the one that's... Decision Desk is calling Ohio for Trump. They just did.

01:32:06.210 --> 01:32:07.490
<v Sam>Okay. I'm moving Ohio. Okay.

01:32:09.480 --> 01:32:11.520
<v Ivan>So whatever they're seeing.

01:32:12.460 --> 01:32:14.560
<v Sam>Closer than expected, but still are.

01:32:14.860 --> 01:32:16.860
<v Ivan>Still are. Yeah. Yeah.

01:32:17.160 --> 01:32:20.920
<v Sam>Oh, and they called Nebraska three as well, which is not surprising.

01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:23.280
<v Sam>It is the reddest electoral vote in the country.

01:32:24.280 --> 01:32:25.840
<v Ivan>Arizona polls closed, right?

01:32:26.160 --> 01:32:33.180
<v Sam>Yeah. Arizona polls just closed. The few counties with arrows in Pennsylvania

01:32:33.180 --> 01:32:34.980
<v Sam>are towards the blue side.

01:32:34.980 --> 01:32:42.160
<v Sam>and pennsylvania was a was in 2020 was super super close so maybe that's a good sign and.

01:32:42.160 --> 01:32:44.900
<v Ivan>Not just some the big blue arrows too.

01:32:44.900 --> 01:32:52.100
<v Sam>Oh bunch of yellow things indicating updates see how's ted cruz doing leading

01:32:52.100 --> 01:32:57.740
<v Sam>by four percent now with 56 percent in ted cruz is going to pull.

01:32:59.120 --> 01:33:00.700
<v Ivan>I'm not gonna make a choke about.

01:33:00.700 --> 01:33:07.040
<v Sam>It bruce would like this new mexico so far donald trump and chase oliver are

01:33:07.040 --> 01:33:14.860
<v Sam>tied for the lead in new mexico yeah yeah yeah no votes for harris at all yet oh.

01:33:14.860 --> 01:33:20.620
<v Ivan>Okay they've got 656 to 655 votes there you go.

01:33:20.620 --> 01:33:22.520
<v Sam>That can't be real that can't even be.

01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:23.740
<v Ivan>Real i don't know.

01:33:23.740 --> 01:33:32.440
<v Sam>I mean even at less than one percent that can't be real and zero for harris yeah right uh yeah.

01:33:32.440 --> 01:33:36.140
<v Ivan>Whoa must be some libertarian colony.

01:33:36.140 --> 01:33:43.840
<v Sam>Kansas harris still leading in kansas with 35 of the vote in but i'm sure that's all from the cities,

01:33:44.580 --> 01:33:52.440
<v Sam>i mean dbhq called kansas already for missouri is also harris ahead but likely

01:33:52.440 --> 01:33:53.760
<v Sam>not to stay that way because it's

01:33:53.760 --> 01:34:00.560
<v Sam>all st louis i iowa with less than one percent in trump is leading yeah.

01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:02.420
<v Ivan>All right let's see.

01:34:02.420 --> 01:34:07.080
<v Sam>Louisiana louisiana no louisiana was called a while ago.

01:34:07.080 --> 01:34:12.540
<v Ivan>Yeah colorado well colorado results are in i i heavily.

01:34:12.540 --> 01:34:18.700
<v Sam>Heavily blue yeah as expected but not called yet no.

01:34:18.700 --> 01:34:21.120
<v Ivan>I think it'll be called soon though.

01:34:21.120 --> 01:34:27.020
<v Sam>Trump wins texas louisiana north dakota south dakota wyoming and kansas according

01:34:27.020 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Sam>to alert texas is now called let's move that over wait that number okay that

01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:39.420
<v Sam>didn't change okay okay we're still waiting for the big seven,

01:34:43.670 --> 01:34:47.890
<v Sam>So far, Michigan and PA leaning blue, which is what they need to be doing.

01:34:48.070 --> 01:34:51.390
<v Sam>But the percentages in are so small. Well,

01:34:54.150 --> 01:34:58.730
<v Sam>Fox is actually talking about Ohio right now. Do we have Ohio Senate?

01:34:59.790 --> 01:35:01.570
<v Ivan>I mean, the decision has called up.

01:35:02.190 --> 01:35:05.450
<v Sam>Ohio Senate? Not New York Times. Marino is ahead of shared broad.

01:35:06.690 --> 01:35:08.510
<v Sam>DDHQ called it for Marino?

01:35:09.070 --> 01:35:11.870
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no. I was just talking about the.

01:35:12.090 --> 01:35:12.530
<v Sam>Presidential.

01:35:13.670 --> 01:35:17.350
<v Ivan>But they haven't called the Senate. DDSQ called the presidential,

01:35:17.650 --> 01:35:21.370
<v Ivan>but definitely not the Senate. They still got it. It's undecided.

01:35:22.210 --> 01:35:26.270
<v Sam>Bruce just said woohoo, so he must have just seen. There's a few minutes.

01:35:27.410 --> 01:35:30.070
<v Sam>The stream delays a little bit. There's some buffering.

01:35:31.450 --> 01:35:36.370
<v Sam>So we get the responses on the chat potentially a couple minutes after we say something.

01:35:36.910 --> 01:35:42.390
<v Ivan>Of course. Oops. It's a few minutes delayed right now? I don't think it's a

01:35:42.390 --> 01:35:43.590
<v Ivan>few minutes. i think it's a few seconds.

01:35:43.590 --> 01:35:52.870
<v Sam>Let's see i'm gonna i'm gonna put my hand up one two three four five six seven

01:35:52.870 --> 01:35:58.110
<v Sam>eight nine nine seconds behind that's not that okay that's not that bad.

01:35:58.110 --> 01:35:58.750
<v Ivan>That's not that.

01:35:59.310 --> 01:36:03.210
<v Sam>Well at least to my interface over here like who knows well to me.

01:36:03.210 --> 01:36:07.230
<v Ivan>It was about five or six more seconds later so yeah but but still it's 20 seconds it's not minutes.

01:36:08.990 --> 01:36:13.330
<v Sam>Yeah, Karnacki is talking about various counties that are redder now than they

01:36:13.330 --> 01:36:20.310
<v Sam>were four years ago in North Carolina, which is why it's toss up but leaning Trump right now.

01:36:22.040 --> 01:36:27.820
<v Sam>The blue part of the needle is getting smaller, which basically says Harris

01:36:27.820 --> 01:36:31.540
<v Sam>can still pull it out, but it's going to be a narrow electoral college victory

01:36:31.540 --> 01:36:34.700
<v Sam>if he does, which it goes back to what I was saying.

01:36:34.900 --> 01:36:41.440
<v Sam>It looks like all of the potential pickups, well, not pickup even, Georgia was, you know,

01:36:42.400 --> 01:36:46.500
<v Sam>but it looks like Georgia and North Carolina are staying red this time,

01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:52.080
<v Sam>which basically means you need Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

01:36:52.380 --> 01:36:56.580
<v Sam>There are some scenarios that involve Arizona, but Arizona was looking worse

01:36:56.580 --> 01:36:57.860
<v Sam>for Harris than Georgia was.

01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:02.400
<v Sam>So, you know, so if Georgia goes red, Arizona probably does too.

01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:07.160
<v Sam>Although this is one of the cases where they are very different states on very

01:37:07.160 --> 01:37:09.840
<v Sam>different parts of the country, but same time.

01:37:11.860 --> 01:37:18.120
<v Sam>Okay. New Mexico's fixed now. Now, Trump is ahead with 2% of the votes in,

01:37:18.280 --> 01:37:24.200
<v Sam>but we no longer have the situation with Harris nothing and the Libertarian tied for number one.

01:37:25.860 --> 01:37:30.200
<v Sam>And Jonathan asks about Florida. Yes, they rejected the pro-choice thing and

01:37:30.200 --> 01:37:31.240
<v Sam>they rejected marijuana.

01:37:31.660 --> 01:37:37.340
<v Ivan>They rejected both, yeah. Wisconsin has like a tiny amount of votes in,

01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:39.760
<v Ivan>nothing, like 700 votes.

01:37:40.400 --> 01:37:43.980
<v Sam>New york times has about 3 000 now but still.

01:37:43.980 --> 01:37:46.520
<v Ivan>Still tiny yeah nothing whatever trump.

01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:47.880
<v Sam>Leading those 3 000 though.

01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:48.760
<v Ivan>Yeah,

01:37:52.980 --> 01:37:57.440
<v Ivan>yeah john but we we didn't answer that right yeah they rejected both yeah john

01:37:57.440 --> 01:38:03.420
<v Ivan>yeah you know you're ready oh well i mean let's see new york times called a

01:38:03.420 --> 01:38:07.660
<v Ivan>few more states nothing Like North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska.

01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:09.120
<v Sam>They did that a while ago. I got those.

01:38:09.900 --> 01:38:14.140
<v Ivan>Wyoming. But something added. Texas.

01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:18.220
<v Sam>I got that. But it was the most recent one, I think.

01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:26.460
<v Sam>Hey, why are you in my chair? Once the food arrives, I'm taking my chair. Really?

01:38:27.660 --> 01:38:31.220
<v Sam>This is going to be one of those things where even if Harris pulls it out,

01:38:31.820 --> 01:38:36.600
<v Sam>it's going to be incredibly depressing that it was so close and of course there's

01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:41.300
<v Sam>still the very real possibility that Trump wins which will be even more depressing.

01:38:42.020 --> 01:38:46.440
<v Ivan>Well New Hampshire do you have New Hampshire for Harris?

01:38:46.660 --> 01:38:52.200
<v Sam>No did DDHQ just call it? Yeah okay I'm moving it over oops,

01:38:53.420 --> 01:39:00.460
<v Sam>Still, none of the big seven. And no state has been a surprise so far.

01:39:00.980 --> 01:39:05.740
<v Sam>Some of the margins have been surprising, but no actual state has gone.

01:39:06.580 --> 01:39:13.680
<v Ivan>But let's be clear. We can call California, Washington, and Oregon for Harris. Okay. You know, why?

01:39:13.940 --> 01:39:18.380
<v Sam>Well, my counts, like the count I have that says the range of possibilities

01:39:18.380 --> 01:39:24.220
<v Sam>is from Harris by 100 to Trump by 86 still remains because it does call all

01:39:24.220 --> 01:39:25.300
<v Sam>of those states effectively.

01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:28.300
<v Sam>It calls every state except the seven.

01:39:29.340 --> 01:39:32.360
<v Ivan>So what I'm saying is that if you want to your EV count right now,

01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:37.120
<v Ivan>look, I think I think I can safely say right now without the polls having closed

01:39:37.120 --> 01:39:43.400
<v Ivan>that those three are going to and I can safely say that Utah is going to Trump,

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.080
<v Ivan>Idaho and Montana. I can call.

01:39:46.260 --> 01:39:49.680
<v Sam>Well, I'll call for you. hawaii california

01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:53.240
<v Sam>maine's first washington new york colorado

01:39:53.240 --> 01:39:57.020
<v Sam>oregon maine maine at large also

01:39:57.020 --> 01:40:00.760
<v Sam>nebraska's first kansas louisiana montana

01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.540
<v Sam>utah and ida there you

01:40:03.540 --> 01:40:06.660
<v Sam>go those those are all the no-brainers that like

01:40:06.660 --> 01:40:09.860
<v Sam>right it would take a universe shaking event

01:40:09.860 --> 01:40:13.500
<v Sam>for one of those states to go the opposite direction exact exact

01:40:13.500 --> 01:40:16.380
<v Sam>you know and so far we haven't had

01:40:16.380 --> 01:40:20.000
<v Sam>a surprise in the next tier either that's like

01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:24.580
<v Sam>states like new hampshire and virginia and florida

01:40:24.580 --> 01:40:29.360
<v Sam>ohio texas yeah we haven't had a surprise in that next year and we haven't gotten

01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:36.680
<v Sam>we have yet to have the first call in one of the core seven um but at the moment

01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:43.480
<v Sam>we have you know it looks like north carolina and georgia are probably doing Trump,

01:40:44.340 --> 01:40:50.420
<v Sam>and the others are still too close to call not enough votes so yeah.

01:40:51.420 --> 01:40:56.440
<v Ivan>Now, look, well, I don't know. I was going to say, look, Georgia the last time.

01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:01.080
<v Ivan>Well, the way that it went and why they are calling it is that.

01:41:01.340 --> 01:41:02.740
<v Sam>It came back late.

01:41:03.380 --> 01:41:06.340
<v Ivan>Very late. Yeah, it was very late.

01:41:06.860 --> 01:41:12.140
<v Ivan>So that's the thing like where we're like right now when it happened, it was super late.

01:41:13.980 --> 01:41:19.680
<v Ivan>So that's I think that's the that's the critical part to know about this,

01:41:19.700 --> 01:41:27.300
<v Ivan>where I'm looking at Gwinnett County right now is only 18% of the vote and that has a lot of votes.

01:41:28.200 --> 01:41:32.720
<v Ivan>I mean that has and Harris that is a very blue county,

01:41:34.440 --> 01:41:40.680
<v Ivan>they've got 20% of those 60,000 so far it's like 300,000 votes to count still

01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:48.900
<v Ivan>and that's not that's not in yet Fulton is in for the most part so that's a

01:41:48.900 --> 01:41:53.800
<v Ivan>big one but that's a very big one that is not reported.

01:41:54.100 --> 01:41:58.820
<v Ivan>And what I'm seeing is that most of the small counties are over 95% reported,

01:41:58.860 --> 01:42:05.780
<v Ivan>which is why I think nobody's called Georgia because of that and what the margin is.

01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:14.160
<v Ivan>So it's leaning R, but it's looking once again, as usual, as a fucking nail biter.

01:42:15.780 --> 01:42:23.300
<v Ivan>In North Carolina, still 50-49. The margin is 40,000 votes. It's a very narrow margin as well.

01:42:23.580 --> 01:42:30.880
<v Sam>If you remember in 2020, it was the closest state that Biden lost. It was also very narrow.

01:42:31.700 --> 01:42:38.840
<v Ivan>Yeah. So it's definitely a good reason why this isn't called yet because it's

01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.900
<v Ivan>definitely, the margin is still super tight.

01:42:41.900 --> 01:42:48.280
<v Ivan>so yeah it's it's reasonable that neither ddhq or new york times haven't called

01:42:48.280 --> 01:42:54.120
<v Ivan>these because of how the margins have been there so pennsylvania michigan still

01:42:54.120 --> 01:42:55.700
<v Ivan>toss up wisconsin toss up,

01:42:56.520 --> 01:43:04.000
<v Ivan>i mean with you know the votes in pennsylvania michigan harris is still in a solid lead but and the.

01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:11.700
<v Sam>So in terms of percent win chance, DDHQ has Trump up to 69.2,

01:43:11.940 --> 01:43:19.580
<v Sam>and New York Times has him at 66, which again, I'll say, very close to what election graphs had,

01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:23.360
<v Sam>which doesn't make me happy, by the way.

01:43:23.420 --> 01:43:30.040
<v Sam>I was hoping that there was a massive underestimation of Harris and that we'd

01:43:30.040 --> 01:43:31.880
<v Sam>have a Harris blowout. That is not happening.

01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.560
<v Ivan>Well well the one thing that you know

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:37.880
<v Ivan>we we're trying to make sure is that you know how many you

01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:40.500
<v Ivan>know we know the pollsters have compensated and the

01:43:40.500 --> 01:43:43.840
<v Ivan>question was by did they overcompensate compensate

01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:47.840
<v Ivan>right that was the question it doesn't look like they overcompensated it looks

01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:52.240
<v Ivan>like they've got it closer to what they've got it close to reality more than

01:43:52.240 --> 01:44:03.260
<v Ivan>anything else um so the first arrows in iowa are showing big blue swings.

01:44:05.060 --> 01:44:11.680
<v Sam>Yep well and iowa at the moment does have harris ahead at the moment but only

01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.380
<v Sam>10 percent in and all from cities.

01:44:13.380 --> 01:44:16.900
<v Ivan>Yeah all from des moines but still yeah but

01:44:16.900 --> 01:44:20.380
<v Ivan>but they're showing arrows from like the smaller areas

01:44:20.380 --> 01:44:23.280
<v Ivan>and those are i i see yeah

01:44:23.280 --> 01:44:26.540
<v Ivan>yeah the air yeah that so the the blue arrow isn't

01:44:26.540 --> 01:44:31.760
<v Ivan>from there from des moines it's showing okay you know whatever like plus six

01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:37.380
<v Ivan>but it's showing some of the smaller counties like a d plus 12 yeah i'm looking

01:44:37.380 --> 01:44:43.960
<v Ivan>at the other one is a d plus 11 another small county so so what is coming in,

01:45:04.120 --> 01:45:06.540
<v Ivan>doorbell go off so much well.

01:45:06.540 --> 01:45:08.020
<v Sam>Right now i think pizza's being delivered.

01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:09.200
<v Ivan>Ah, okay.

01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:12.480
<v Sam>Well, and the little ringy noise

01:45:12.480 --> 01:45:17.620
<v Sam>is not the doorbell. It's just motion detection in front of the house.

01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:18.600
<v Ivan>Oh, okay.

01:45:19.660 --> 01:45:22.760
<v Sam>Which makes the dog go crazy.

01:45:23.500 --> 01:45:26.820
<v Ivan>Well, that's what I'm saying. It's very sensitive. Mine doesn't go off that often.

01:45:27.180 --> 01:45:32.120
<v Sam>Well, I mean, someone was actually here. Although the most entertaining thing

01:45:32.120 --> 01:45:36.700
<v Sam>with the motion detection is when a spider builds a web directly in front of

01:45:36.700 --> 01:45:40.960
<v Sam>it and sets it off. like all the time until you go out and move the spider.

01:45:43.100 --> 01:45:46.640
<v Sam>New bomb threats at polling sites in Pennsylvania. Yay.

01:45:50.500 --> 01:45:54.300
<v Sam>Well, one thing I think I can say at this point is I kept saying,

01:45:54.500 --> 01:45:58.600
<v Sam>don't be surprised by anything in the range from Harris by 100 to Trump by 86.

01:45:59.200 --> 01:46:00.980
<v Sam>I think we're going to be in that range.

01:46:02.300 --> 01:46:05.400
<v Sam>We're not going outside of the range in either direction, I don't think.

01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:07.300
<v Ivan>Well, that's for certain, Sam.

01:46:09.080 --> 01:46:12.620
<v Sam>Well, I don't know. Trump could still surprise in Virginia or something.

01:46:13.480 --> 01:46:14.860
<v Ivan>No, it's not happening.

01:46:15.100 --> 01:46:16.800
<v Sam>I know. It's not happening.

01:46:17.400 --> 01:46:18.260
<v Ivan>No, it's not happening.

01:46:19.660 --> 01:46:26.580
<v Sam>Both New York Times and DDHQ have their odds in the high 60s for Donald Trump right now.

01:46:27.400 --> 01:46:32.540
<v Ivan>It's got to be super close, Sam. My gut, this is going to be.

01:46:33.400 --> 01:46:39.260
<v Sam>We're going to come down to one or more states that take days to come back.

01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:43.720
<v Sam>I think my bet is it's all going to come down to Pennsylvania,

01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:46.660
<v Sam>which is what it's been looking like for months.

01:46:47.280 --> 01:46:47.840
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:54.300
<v Sam>Like the the assuming the polls was right view had this all coming down to pennsylvania,

01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:56.940
<v Sam>consistent yeah for a long consistent.

01:46:56.940 --> 01:46:59.340
<v Ivan>Yeah and that's what it's.

01:46:59.340 --> 01:47:04.840
<v Sam>Now at the moment trump is actually leaving wisconsin which would break that but.

01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:08.580
<v Ivan>Yeah that's very early he's still that.

01:47:08.580 --> 01:47:12.200
<v Sam>Doesn't make uh pete feel good as a pennsylvanian,

01:47:14.460 --> 01:47:21.540
<v Sam>time to lower the chair lower the desk and sit down I've been standing up till now,

01:47:24.400 --> 01:47:27.200
<v Sam>sorry Pete I already read your redacted message.

01:47:29.120 --> 01:47:35.200
<v Ivan>Oh my my well at least one thing my.

01:47:35.200 --> 01:47:36.360
<v Sam>Gut basically.

01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:39.300
<v Ivan>Was not wrong about how I felt coming into tonight.

01:47:39.300 --> 01:47:46.040
<v Sam>No, I had managed to get up a, a buildup of optimism over the last few days.

01:47:46.220 --> 01:47:52.480
<v Ivan>And no, no, but my gut was just completely just, there is no,

01:47:52.700 --> 01:47:56.880
<v Ivan>there is, I mean, Brandy, it's not going to be.

01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:02.700
<v Sam>You know, you can fill it in the upstairs sink. It's fine. I got pizza.

01:48:03.300 --> 01:48:09.120
<v Ivan>Oh, there you go. I already, I'm not really hungry. Can I be honest?

01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:12.700
<v Ivan>i ate a late lunch i'm.

01:48:12.700 --> 01:48:19.360
<v Sam>Not liking the needles prepare you know i had had as a topic the potential topic

01:48:19.360 --> 01:48:26.300
<v Sam>the last few weeks preparing for a trump second term and we never actually discussed it.

01:48:26.300 --> 01:48:31.160
<v Ivan>I didn't want to talk about it i know i know what i i don't i don't want to

01:48:31.160 --> 01:48:34.380
<v Ivan>talk about it i don't want to fucking talk about it i don't want to fucking

01:48:34.380 --> 01:48:37.960
<v Ivan>talk about it i mean i i i I mean, I don't know.

01:48:39.380 --> 01:48:42.000
<v Sam>If and when it becomes real, then we'll talk about it.

01:48:43.430 --> 01:48:45.050
<v Ivan>But I don't want to fucking talk about it.

01:48:45.530 --> 01:48:48.830
<v Sam>Pete says Lucy in the football. But yeah,

01:48:49.210 --> 01:48:55.470
<v Sam>it's feeling, well, I was going to say, it's feeling more like 2016 than 2020,

01:48:55.470 --> 01:49:01.050
<v Sam>but I'm trying to remember 2020 in those three to four days.

01:49:01.650 --> 01:49:08.010
<v Ivan>It was that that night was terrible. We thought, you know, it took three days for that to lift.

01:49:08.110 --> 01:49:13.810
<v Sam>It was Friday before it was clear to anybody who was paying attention and Saturday

01:49:13.810 --> 01:49:16.430
<v Sam>until they made the calls on the network.

01:49:16.770 --> 01:49:18.370
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:19.110 --> 01:49:21.850
<v Sam>I wouldn't be surprised if we're waiting until Saturday again.

01:49:22.350 --> 01:49:23.690
<v Sam>And it could go either way.

01:49:24.490 --> 01:49:27.150
<v Sam>Yeah, Jonathan says it looked bad for a while in 2020.

01:49:27.390 --> 01:49:33.230
<v Ivan>Yeah, it did look bad. He's not wrong. I mean, I remember it looked bad.

01:49:33.410 --> 01:49:37.330
<v Ivan>It looked, I mean, basically, this is deja vu all over again to that.

01:49:39.030 --> 01:49:42.790
<v Sam>Pennsylvania is narrowing 26% in. It's 55-44 now.

01:49:43.930 --> 01:49:47.350
<v Sam>53-45 in Michigan with 13%.

01:49:48.330 --> 01:49:54.470
<v Sam>Wisconsin's up to 11, and Trump's still ahead of 54-45. But Milwaukee isn't reporting. Yeah.

01:49:55.210 --> 01:49:57.390
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. Milwaukee isn't reporting. Yeah.

01:49:58.490 --> 01:50:02.750
<v Sam>Hey, we're up to eight people watching. So if anybody hasn't said hi yet,

01:50:02.870 --> 01:50:05.090
<v Sam>say hi in the comments. Nice to have you.

01:50:05.130 --> 01:50:09.410
<v Ivan>Hi, guys. Nice to have you here. Sorry, we don't have better news.

01:50:10.070 --> 01:50:13.070
<v Sam>We do have now maybe 40% of the.

01:50:13.070 --> 01:50:19.290
<v Ivan>Voting I was hoping for better news but I well that probably I don't know how

01:50:19.290 --> 01:50:23.350
<v Ivan>many could have been at the beginning of the stream I described as I came into

01:50:23.350 --> 01:50:28.010
<v Ivan>this that the word I used to describe myself was completely I was glum I was

01:50:28.010 --> 01:50:30.850
<v Ivan>not coming in optimistic,

01:50:32.210 --> 01:50:38.610
<v Ivan>I had this terrible feeling I'm just you know so I mean,

01:50:39.530 --> 01:50:45.990
<v Ivan>It's just, I'm not, I don't, I mean, I see a clear path based on where we are.

01:50:46.210 --> 01:50:47.490
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, it's just.

01:50:50.250 --> 01:50:53.650
<v Ivan>complicated i mean it's it's gonna be very tight.

01:50:53.650 --> 01:50:55.730
<v Sam>Ddhq is called north carolina.

01:50:55.730 --> 01:51:01.670
<v Ivan>Yep they did i mean and ddhq has harris ahead now in wisconsin so,

01:51:05.950 --> 01:51:08.990
<v Ivan>who daddy's doing god damn,

01:51:11.450 --> 01:51:15.030
<v Ivan>arizona nevada and all these well arizona closed at nine,

01:51:15.690 --> 01:51:21.930
<v Ivan>eastern but i guess they're not reporting anything yet interesting who isn't

01:51:21.930 --> 01:51:28.670
<v Ivan>arizona oh right polls are closed in arizona but they haven't first results expected.

01:51:28.670 --> 01:51:35.090
<v Sam>Around 10 p.m eastern yeah most voters cast ballots by mail and counting typically

01:51:35.090 --> 01:51:39.090
<v Sam>takes days full tabulation could take 10 to 13 days,

01:51:42.150 --> 01:51:45.450
<v Sam>jonathan says i really thought women would save us it was

01:51:45.450 --> 01:51:48.950
<v Sam>real that was looking really big

01:51:48.950 --> 01:51:52.270
<v Sam>in the early vote numbers but same day

01:51:52.270 --> 01:51:55.370
<v Sam>maybe going the other way yeah or

01:51:55.370 --> 01:51:59.930
<v Sam>a lot of those women were voting trump well let

01:51:59.930 --> 01:52:02.890
<v Sam>me check in on the senate still no call

01:52:02.890 --> 01:52:08.070
<v Sam>in either the ohio race marina is still ahead to republican still no call in

01:52:08.070 --> 01:52:14.730
<v Sam>texas cruz is still ahead by about eight now eight percent now and marina's

01:52:14.730 --> 01:52:20.150
<v Sam>had by about three i keep looking at pennsylvania michigan wisconsin pennsylvania

01:52:20.150 --> 01:52:22.450
<v Sam>michigan wisconsin there's.

01:52:22.450 --> 01:52:23.830
<v Ivan>Nothing there's too close to.

01:52:23.830 --> 01:52:31.770
<v Sam>I know i know and small numbers in still pa is up to 31 but still but still yeah,

01:52:33.410 --> 01:52:35.890
<v Sam>New York times still has all three at pure toss up.

01:52:38.270 --> 01:52:42.190
<v Sam>Now there's NBC is just doing Illinois. I had that a long time ago.

01:52:42.970 --> 01:52:44.450
<v Ivan>Yeah. That, that, uh.

01:52:45.610 --> 01:52:50.950
<v Sam>I saw a tick tock earlier today about Florida, Yvonne, where this woman was

01:52:50.950 --> 01:52:54.910
<v Sam>like, you know, Florida could be a blue state.

01:52:55.130 --> 01:52:59.270
<v Sam>If you just stopped sending your old racists here to die.

01:53:00.810 --> 01:53:04.970
<v Ivan>To. Okay. Okay, I did a quick count.

01:53:05.150 --> 01:53:05.330
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:53:05.530 --> 01:53:11.570
<v Ivan>Okay. For Kamala to win, okay, this is what needs to happen right now. Okay.

01:53:12.230 --> 01:53:14.730
<v Ivan>Just to get to 273. Okay.

01:53:15.830 --> 01:53:17.390
<v Sam>Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

01:53:17.970 --> 01:53:21.650
<v Ivan>Well, we'll start Maine. You know, okay, so.

01:53:21.770 --> 01:53:22.170
<v Sam>I'm assuming.

01:53:24.390 --> 01:53:31.450
<v Ivan>But in the ones, it's that, but plus Nevada. I don't see how you get to because

01:53:31.450 --> 01:53:35.270
<v Ivan>I went and I'm like if I go with you can.

01:53:35.270 --> 01:53:38.750
<v Sam>Get to a win without Nevada if you win every.

01:53:38.750 --> 01:53:39.310
<v Ivan>Place she's.

01:53:39.310 --> 01:53:45.950
<v Sam>Ahead in plus Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania just barely mind you and she needs

01:53:45.950 --> 01:53:50.530
<v Sam>that Nebraska congressional district without the Nebraska congressional district you.

01:53:50.530 --> 01:53:55.470
<v Ivan>Have you need the Nebraska congressional district that's right I'm saying one

01:53:55.470 --> 01:54:00.450
<v Ivan>of the Nebraska congressional district What I add that up is Nebraska congressional district.

01:54:00.690 --> 01:54:04.550
<v Ivan>Okay. So let me just show you what I, what I, Maine congressional district. Okay.

01:54:05.330 --> 01:54:09.310
<v Ivan>Uh, and I'll look at a New York times map and where it's at versus just to look

01:54:09.310 --> 01:54:10.590
<v Ivan>at one where it's called. Okay.

01:54:11.130 --> 01:54:19.710
<v Ivan>They got 99, 178 main, the two plus the one, one separate congressional district, New Hampshire.

01:54:20.070 --> 01:54:23.350
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. Which that's, that's not called, but that should be.

01:54:23.670 --> 01:54:25.070
<v Sam>You know, DDSQ called it.

01:54:25.210 --> 01:54:28.850
<v Ivan>Nebraska too. Yeah, DDSU called it, but the New York Times hadn't.

01:54:28.850 --> 01:54:32.190
<v Ivan>So I was just doing the math based on their account.

01:54:32.810 --> 01:54:37.750
<v Ivan>Nebraska, too, which that should be, that's leaning that, okay? Yeah.

01:54:39.060 --> 01:54:45.280
<v Ivan>Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, okay? Colorado, New Mexico, okay?

01:54:45.820 --> 01:54:50.600
<v Ivan>California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, and Nevada.

01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:56.820
<v Ivan>That gets you to 273. It's not impossible, based on where the numbers are right

01:54:56.820 --> 01:55:00.620
<v Ivan>now, but it's nerve-wracking, as all fucking can be.

01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:07.940
<v Sam>And I'm looking at that moves, the Washington Post county moves map.

01:55:07.940 --> 01:55:09.040
<v Ivan>And it's like.

01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:11.800
<v Sam>The entire southeast is red.

01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:17.420
<v Ivan>Oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the entire southeast went red as all can be well actually

01:55:17.420 --> 01:55:22.860
<v Ivan>there's some there's some caveats north carolina north carolina actually didn't

01:55:22.860 --> 01:55:27.640
<v Ivan>okay well if you're looking at well no look look there's a big hole in the middle but.

01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:29.460
<v Sam>There's lots of red around the edges of north carolina.

01:55:29.460 --> 01:55:33.040
<v Ivan>Yeah but but they're but but those are small it's it's not it's not like what

01:55:33.040 --> 01:55:38.440
<v Ivan>you're seeing in in say you know tennessee no okay no The shifts in North Carolina

01:55:38.440 --> 01:55:40.980
<v Ivan>have been more minor, okay, is what I'm saying.

01:55:41.540 --> 01:55:45.680
<v Ivan>Georgia's got some deep blue moves in the big population centers and got red

01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:46.840
<v Ivan>moves in the rest of the state.

01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:53.400
<v Ivan>Ohio, as the night progressed, less blue arrows, but there's still a lot of

01:55:53.400 --> 01:55:54.860
<v Ivan>blue with some red arrows.

01:55:55.580 --> 01:55:57.140
<v Ivan>Pennsylvania is mixed.

01:55:58.860 --> 01:56:01.900
<v Ivan>Definitely a redder Texas that you're seeing in this map.

01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:10.200
<v Ivan>it's i mean new york is bluer pennsylvania seems to be looking bluer oh we got

01:56:10.200 --> 01:56:11.680
<v Ivan>from the arrows that are coming in got.

01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:13.460
<v Sam>A ddhq call for colorado.

01:56:13.460 --> 01:56:19.380
<v Ivan>Okay well not a surprise not not another not shocking call,

01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:30.920
<v Ivan>experts to figure that one out bottom line is that the result is as nail-bitingly as the polls,

01:56:32.420 --> 01:56:37.460
<v Ivan>showed which some minor exceptions in some states where they didn't get it exactly

01:56:37.460 --> 01:56:39.460
<v Ivan>right yeah that's uh yeah.

01:56:39.460 --> 01:56:48.480
<v Sam>With yeah with the same rough breakdown of where the states were with Wisconsin,

01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.760
<v Sam>Michigan, and Pennsylvania being right on the line very close.

01:56:51.900 --> 01:56:56.060
<v Sam>In my blog post earlier today, I said both of those I thought were true toss-ups.

01:56:56.160 --> 01:57:00.280
<v Sam>If the polls were roughly right, all three of those were true toss-ups,

01:57:00.280 --> 01:57:04.540
<v Sam>and then the rest of the seven were probably going to Trump,

01:57:04.580 --> 01:57:06.180
<v Sam>and that's what we're seeing right now.

01:57:09.160 --> 01:57:09.680
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:57:12.100 --> 01:57:17.080
<v Sam>That scenario... I don't know if you could hear rachel maddow behind me but

01:57:17.080 --> 01:57:22.720
<v Sam>now she just went over the scenario we just said trump wins georgia north carolina

01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:29.080
<v Sam>arizona nevada but and all the rest of the states go as expected,

01:57:30.200 --> 01:57:36.620
<v Sam>but harris wins pennsylvania michigan wisconsin that's a 270 to 268 win.

01:57:36.620 --> 01:57:40.400
<v Ivan>Oh my god jesus christ,

01:57:42.820 --> 01:57:43.460
<v Ivan>by the way.

01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:49.000
<v Sam>Even the assuming the assuming Nebraska, if she loses that Nebraska congressional

01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:52.900
<v Sam>district, it turns into 269-269 and goes into the House.

01:57:53.380 --> 01:57:59.480
<v Ivan>Well, right now, by the way, the 43% of the vote in Kamala is overwhelmingly ahead on the basket too.

01:57:59.700 --> 01:58:00.140
<v Sam>Yeah, I know.

01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:00.720
<v Ivan>Overwhelming.

01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:00.960
<v Sam>I know.

01:58:01.160 --> 01:58:05.320
<v Ivan>So it's not, that's, yeah, so that's, that's, that's that seems to be a given.

01:58:05.560 --> 01:58:06.940
<v Ivan>Okay, she's going to get that one.

01:58:07.440 --> 01:58:08.960
<v Sam>Hasn't been called yet, but yes.

01:58:09.400 --> 01:58:13.160
<v Ivan>Hasn't been called yet but yeah but that but that looks like a gift okay that's

01:58:13.160 --> 01:58:18.360
<v Ivan>that's and main district one as well so yeah those look like a gift and.

01:58:18.360 --> 01:58:19.780
<v Sam>Main two is expected to go to trump.

01:58:19.780 --> 01:58:23.500
<v Ivan>Yeah exactly yeah and.

01:58:23.500 --> 01:58:29.540
<v Sam>Of course given what the rest of the map is looking at like harris has to win

01:58:29.540 --> 01:58:31.240
<v Sam>all three of wisconsin michigan.

01:58:31.240 --> 01:58:34.320
<v Ivan>Pennsylvania oh no no they she's got to there's no you lose any one of them

01:58:34.320 --> 01:58:40.240
<v Ivan>it's over it's all it's all over yeah yeah yeah sayonara yeah yeah She has to win those three.

01:58:40.660 --> 01:58:49.120
<v Ivan>Now, thankfully, smartly, I will say, they fucking invested the shit out of China Windows 3.

01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:55.420
<v Sam>Now, one, you could swap Wisconsin for Arizona, but she wasn't looking good

01:58:55.420 --> 01:58:58.040
<v Sam>in the polls in Arizona, so I'm not holding out a lot for that.

01:59:00.210 --> 01:59:02.030
<v Ivan>Yeah, you need those three. You can't.

01:59:02.690 --> 01:59:06.670
<v Sam>John asks, how do you think Joe would be doing right now?

01:59:07.970 --> 01:59:09.890
<v Ivan>I honestly think pretty much the same.

01:59:10.550 --> 01:59:16.370
<v Sam>I think he'd be doing worse. I think he might have been able to just barely

01:59:16.370 --> 01:59:20.470
<v Sam>pull it out in a world where Harris was doing much better than this.

01:59:20.630 --> 01:59:26.450
<v Sam>In the scenario we're seeing right now, I think this would be a clear Biden loss.

01:59:27.350 --> 01:59:31.030
<v Ivan>I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

01:59:31.490 --> 01:59:36.430
<v Ivan>I think, well, if actually, I'll take that back.

01:59:36.970 --> 01:59:41.330
<v Ivan>Given what we have learned from the polling we're looking at right now,

01:59:41.370 --> 01:59:45.730
<v Ivan>and that it seems to have been pretty close to what, so far,

01:59:45.830 --> 01:59:48.490
<v Ivan>it's coming in pretty close to expectation.

01:59:48.650 --> 01:59:48.810
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:59:48.950 --> 01:59:49.150
<v Ivan>Okay?

01:59:49.530 --> 01:59:51.130
<v Sam>I mean, that's the one thing to say so far.

01:59:51.150 --> 01:59:56.030
<v Ivan>It's very clear that Harris is performing better than how Biden would have performed.

01:59:56.390 --> 01:59:56.610
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:59:56.710 --> 02:00:07.470
<v Ivan>Yes. So the reality is, yes, that Harris is definitely doing better than Biden would have done. Yes.

02:00:08.130 --> 02:00:12.310
<v Sam>Bruce is pointing out that Bitcoin is apparently reacting positively to the

02:00:12.310 --> 02:00:16.110
<v Sam>potential of Trump win. What are those noises?

02:00:16.250 --> 02:00:19.670
<v Ivan>He's ahead right now. My son is playing with his ringtones.

02:00:19.830 --> 02:00:20.110
<v Sam>Okay.

02:00:22.990 --> 02:00:23.790
<v Ivan>There you go.

02:00:25.910 --> 02:00:29.130
<v Ivan>well i mean she is right now ahead in all three.

02:00:29.130 --> 02:00:36.750
<v Sam>And and i and i think the uh which we i predicted last week but i i the democrat

02:00:36.750 --> 02:00:41.190
<v Sam>position does not look like they're on track to keep the senate either.

02:00:41.190 --> 02:00:45.250
<v Ivan>No no that's definitely a reality.

02:00:45.250 --> 02:00:49.770
<v Sam>House unclear so far I can't tell on the house.

02:00:49.850 --> 02:00:54.210
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's just, we can't, we won't on the house. I mean, honestly,

02:00:54.330 --> 02:00:56.110
<v Ivan>it's not looking like we're going to know about this tonight.

02:00:56.990 --> 02:01:02.430
<v Sam>We may narrow it down a little bit more. But like, I expect there'll probably

02:01:02.430 --> 02:01:04.870
<v Sam>be calls in Georgia and North Carolina before too long.

02:01:05.510 --> 02:01:08.610
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, North Carolina, I mean, DDHQ called it.

02:01:08.750 --> 02:01:12.490
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, but like I said, but even if they call, yeah,

02:01:12.590 --> 02:01:15.930
<v Ivan>but even if they call Georgia, okay, I mean, it comes down to,

02:01:16.170 --> 02:01:21.930
<v Ivan>you know, But when we're talking that it comes down to Pennsylvania,

02:01:22.510 --> 02:01:24.290
<v Ivan>Michigan, Wisconsin,

02:01:25.310 --> 02:01:25.730
<v Ivan>Minnesota.

02:01:26.230 --> 02:01:30.030
<v Ivan>I mean, and, you know, we need to know what happens in Arizona and Nevada as well.

02:01:31.230 --> 02:01:36.930
<v Sam>You know, in most scenarios, Nevada ends up not making a difference because it's so small there.

02:01:37.170 --> 02:01:40.450
<v Sam>You know, you can get scenarios where Nevada makes a difference,

02:01:40.610 --> 02:01:42.050
<v Sam>but most scenarios it doesn't.

02:01:42.050 --> 02:01:47.310
<v Ivan>I mean harris is still leading in iowa but but only 12 percent of the vote.

02:01:47.310 --> 02:01:50.610
<v Sam>Yeah and still all almost all des moines.

02:01:50.610 --> 02:01:53.850
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah okay.

02:01:53.850 --> 02:01:54.810
<v Sam>You know listen for a second,

02:01:57.270 --> 02:02:01.190
<v Sam>Huh? Yeah. What's, what's amazing by these swing maps to me.

02:02:01.390 --> 02:02:05.610
<v Sam>And, and of course this is because, you know, I'm in my Washington state liberal

02:02:05.610 --> 02:02:09.850
<v Sam>bubble or whatever, but looking at like, I just fundamentally,

02:02:10.090 --> 02:02:15.550
<v Sam>like I have, I understand where the core of Trump's support is,

02:02:15.730 --> 02:02:22.650
<v Sam>but I have a hard time understanding how he built more support over the last four years.

02:02:22.650 --> 02:02:26.510
<v Sam>you know like where who who

02:02:26.510 --> 02:02:33.370
<v Sam>was not for trump four years ago and is now i mean is it really all people who

02:02:33.370 --> 02:02:40.670
<v Sam>like just i don't know like are thinking like hey donald biden brought inflation

02:02:40.670 --> 02:02:44.910
<v Sam>and that's all i don't know could.

02:02:44.910 --> 02:02:51.350
<v Ivan>Be i mean that's not an unreasonable uh not a not an unreasonable belief i mean

02:02:51.350 --> 02:02:56.670
<v Ivan>you know a lot of people definitely believe that so yeah it's not.

02:02:56.670 --> 02:03:01.230
<v Sam>And meanwhile donald trump uh signed their stimmy checks yeah.

02:03:01.230 --> 02:03:03.250
<v Ivan>Right exactly and you got that too.

02:03:04.090 --> 02:03:09.690
<v Sam>Bruce is saying bitcoin is close to its all-time high now bruce says it's covered

02:03:09.690 --> 02:03:15.250
<v Sam>lockdowns and mandates but that happened during trump that did not happen during maiden right.

02:03:15.250 --> 02:03:21.110
<v Ivan>But i for whatever reason they still blame it on on on on the democrats though.

02:03:21.110 --> 02:03:27.230
<v Sam>And the u.s never had actual lockdowns right it was or actual mandates and even

02:03:27.230 --> 02:03:31.210
<v Sam>state by states there's not a single state in the united states that had anything

02:03:31.210 --> 02:03:32.850
<v Sam>close to what most of europe had.

02:03:32.850 --> 02:03:34.230
<v Ivan>Yeah it's just yeah.

02:03:34.230 --> 02:03:35.770
<v Sam>Let alone like china so.

02:03:35.770 --> 02:03:40.190
<v Ivan>Right right right so yeah so i i think it's just you know.

02:03:40.190 --> 02:03:47.170
<v Sam>But but i think that is a good point for some reason like even though most of

02:03:47.170 --> 02:03:53.430
<v Sam>the things that people complain about in terms of covid happened during the administration they.

02:03:53.430 --> 02:03:54.750
<v Ivan>Still blame the democrats.

02:03:54.750 --> 02:03:55.930
<v Sam>Yep yeah.

02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:02.960
<v Ivan>Georgia's pretty much stuck at 77%, which is why nobody's calling it.

02:04:03.480 --> 02:04:04.680
<v Sam>Yeah, it may well be.

02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:06.460
<v Ivan>And that's what happened the last time.

02:04:06.460 --> 02:04:12.360
<v Sam>Yeah, they stopped for the night, and then they continued the next day. So, yes.

02:04:13.120 --> 02:04:14.380
<v Ivan>DDHQ isn't calling it?

02:04:14.700 --> 02:04:18.220
<v Sam>And to answer Jonathan's question, do we need Minnesota? Yes, absolutely.

02:04:18.820 --> 02:04:20.300
<v Ivan>Oh, we need Minnesota. Absolutely.

02:04:20.460 --> 02:04:20.580
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:04:20.900 --> 02:04:22.640
<v Ivan>For some reason, we went Georgia.

02:04:23.360 --> 02:04:30.360
<v Sam>Minnesota is one that, yeah, the polling averages were up over 5% for Harris.

02:04:31.140 --> 02:04:35.080
<v Sam>And it's absolutely needed. Like, if you lose Minnesota, everything's falling in place.

02:04:35.480 --> 02:04:39.780
<v Ivan>Yeah, if you lose Minnesota, you need to win Georgia or something like that to make up for it.

02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:43.960
<v Ivan>Or Georgia or Arizona, for that matter.

02:04:44.620 --> 02:04:47.840
<v Ivan>You know, one of those. You know, you can't just.

02:04:48.420 --> 02:04:52.060
<v Sam>But also, Minnesota is expected to be bluer than the blue wall.

02:04:52.060 --> 02:04:55.820
<v Sam>So if you're losing Minnesota, you're probably losing the blue wall and you're done.

02:04:56.780 --> 02:05:00.300
<v Sam>Trump's ahead in Wisconsin again by a very small number.

02:05:01.120 --> 02:05:02.920
<v Ivan>Not on DDHQ yet.

02:05:03.260 --> 02:05:07.140
<v Sam>Let's see. New York Times has 35%. What does DDHQ have?

02:05:07.480 --> 02:05:08.360
<v Ivan>How much they got?

02:05:08.460 --> 02:05:08.800
<v Sam>35.

02:05:09.020 --> 02:05:15.300
<v Ivan>35? Yeah, they're a little bit behind. They got 30. Yeah. Let's see where they're reporting here.

02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:17.620
<v Ivan>Still a lot of votes to come in.

02:05:18.260 --> 02:05:18.680
<v Sam>Which state?

02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:20.480
<v Ivan>Oh, Minnesota.

02:05:21.080 --> 02:05:22.540
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, there are 2%.

02:05:23.140 --> 02:05:24.860
<v Ivan>I mean, no, I'm sorry, Wisconsin, I meant.

02:05:25.380 --> 02:05:30.320
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. Bruce says, according to the House map he's looking at,

02:05:30.480 --> 02:05:32.320
<v Sam>the Republicans have gained one seat so far.

02:05:34.200 --> 02:05:35.520
<v Sam>Nevada, too early to call.

02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:38.600
<v Ivan>Oh, oh, good news.

02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:39.040
<v Sam>Yes.

02:05:39.340 --> 02:05:39.780
<v Ivan>Utah.

02:05:40.420 --> 02:05:42.040
<v Sam>Oh, Utah has been called.

02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:44.460
<v Ivan>For Trump. Can you believe it?

02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:45.640
<v Sam>Oh, shocker.

02:05:46.540 --> 02:05:48.680
<v Ivan>Trump is now slightly ahead in Pennsylvania.

02:05:49.480 --> 02:05:49.900
<v Sam>Oh, well.

02:05:50.480 --> 02:05:59.120
<v Ivan>By 0.1%. Good news is that around the Philly area, a percentage of votes reported

02:05:59.120 --> 02:06:01.080
<v Ivan>is actually pretty low right now.

02:06:01.380 --> 02:06:07.520
<v Ivan>Like 30%. So below the state.

02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:11.980
<v Sam>Jonathan says in PA, the small places report faster.

02:06:12.600 --> 02:06:14.220
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's what I figured.

02:06:15.160 --> 02:06:20.720
<v Sam>Oh, what did we? Something just changed. What changed? DDHQ calls Montana,

02:06:23.580 --> 02:06:29.480
<v Sam>You notice I don't have to say who for, but do we have a Montana Senate results yet? No.

02:06:31.160 --> 02:06:35.160
<v Sam>Bob wants to say, it says, I wonder how Lickman is feeling tonight.

02:06:35.160 --> 02:06:37.460
<v Sam>He's the one with the keys, the keys.

02:06:37.660 --> 02:06:39.640
<v Sam>He was really, really confident in the Harris one.

02:06:40.520 --> 02:06:44.480
<v Ivan>Only one county in Arizona is reported.

02:06:45.540 --> 02:06:48.320
<v Sam>The Democrat did win the Senate race in Maryland.

02:06:49.440 --> 02:06:49.960
<v Ivan>Yes.

02:06:52.080 --> 02:06:56.220
<v Ivan>montana greg gina ford is re-elected as governor of montana.

02:06:56.220 --> 02:07:02.160
<v Sam>Oh bernie won re-election 64 to 31 well.

02:07:02.160 --> 02:07:04.100
<v Ivan>Camel is back up in pennsylvania so.

02:07:04.100 --> 02:07:07.040
<v Sam>It's gonna be a fucking roller coaster,

02:07:07.780 --> 02:07:14.400
<v Sam>my stepmother kathy spent most of the month of october uh canvassing in near

02:07:14.400 --> 02:07:20.160
<v Sam>harrisburg knocking on doors getting out the vote is there even a display of

02:07:20.160 --> 02:07:24.780
<v Sam>the bipolar vote anywhere oh i haven't been looking but uh i.

02:07:24.780 --> 02:07:26.740
<v Ivan>I i saw it somewhere.

02:07:26.740 --> 02:07:30.540
<v Sam>Like no one cares because it doesn't 1 million.

02:07:30.540 --> 02:07:36.460
<v Ivan>727941 to 35 million 609 641.

02:07:36.460 --> 02:07:38.080
<v Sam>Trump has more.

02:07:38.080 --> 02:07:45.140
<v Ivan>More of those well arizona's up to 36 And it's a dead tie.

02:07:45.400 --> 02:07:49.300
<v Sam>It is 40 votes apart. Fuck. 40 votes apart.

02:07:49.560 --> 02:07:50.160
<v Ivan>Fuck.

02:07:50.980 --> 02:07:52.860
<v Sam>With Trump ahead by 40 votes.

02:07:56.320 --> 02:08:03.640
<v Ivan>Fucking hell. Oh, for God's sake. Oh, for fuck.

02:08:06.050 --> 02:08:08.250
<v Ivan>Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.

02:08:09.810 --> 02:08:14.370
<v Sam>Oh, wait, do I have Wyoming? Yeah, I already had Wyoming.

02:08:15.230 --> 02:08:19.470
<v Ivan>Okay, so 37% of the vote in in Iowa. Okay.

02:08:19.810 --> 02:08:21.190
<v Sam>In Iowa? Yep, okay.

02:08:21.570 --> 02:08:22.030
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:08:22.570 --> 02:08:23.310
<v Sam>50-40.

02:08:24.690 --> 02:08:31.290
<v Ivan>Yes, and the margin's really tiny. And I'm seeing that Cedar Rapids and some

02:08:31.290 --> 02:08:34.730
<v Ivan>of the big blue counties haven't finished reporting yet.

02:08:34.730 --> 02:08:36.310
<v Sam>Well, mainly Cedar Rapids.

02:08:37.170 --> 02:08:40.810
<v Ivan>No, you got, oh, it's this other one. Black Hawk County, Cedar Rapids.

02:08:42.470 --> 02:08:45.470
<v Ivan>Jesus. Well, here's the one thing.

02:08:45.870 --> 02:08:50.330
<v Ivan>The Iowa, obviously, being at where it's looking at, what it's showing is that

02:08:50.330 --> 02:08:53.890
<v Ivan>what's happening in Iowa is only happening in Iowa.

02:08:54.810 --> 02:08:55.230
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:08:56.230 --> 02:09:01.430
<v Ivan>Yeah. It's not, yeah. I mean, it wasn't, that was one of the things that I think

02:09:01.430 --> 02:09:05.530
<v Ivan>in the last few days, was it a generalized thing? thing but no what it's looking

02:09:05.530 --> 02:09:07.850
<v Ivan>at is what it's happening in iowa is only happening in i.

02:09:07.850 --> 02:09:15.250
<v Sam>Know by the way if you look at the swing map the blue ohio is now mostly red.

02:09:16.530 --> 02:09:21.810
<v Ivan>Yeah it's like yeah it's it's got it's it's definitely tapered down yeah yeah

02:09:21.810 --> 02:09:28.530
<v Ivan>right now the margin in ohio is now 56 43 for trump yeah ohio had fate had faked

02:09:28.530 --> 02:09:30.910
<v Ivan>us before like this so Bob says.

02:09:30.910 --> 02:09:33.670
<v Sam>Cedar Rapid isn't quite as blue as Des Moines or Iowa City.

02:09:35.190 --> 02:09:39.030
<v Ivan>Well, they got a low percentage of people reporting is the only thing about that.

02:09:39.950 --> 02:09:46.150
<v Sam>Let's see. New York Times just called Colorado, but DDHQ did that a while ago. Well,

02:09:48.150 --> 02:09:54.690
<v Sam>so New York Times has Trump up to a 77% chance of victory. and their range of

02:09:54.690 --> 02:10:00.330
<v Sam>estimates for the darker color here is all in the red now.

02:10:01.970 --> 02:10:03.150
<v Sam>And did...

02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:09.380
<v Sam>So New York Times' little needle for Pennsylvania, Michigan,

02:10:09.380 --> 02:10:13.820
<v Sam>and Wisconsin is all still at toss-up, but leaning slightly towards Trump in all three.

02:10:14.720 --> 02:10:18.280
<v Ivan>And their needle right now in Arizona is leaning slightly.

02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:22.800
<v Ivan>Well, okay, I don't, I'm looking at this, I don't know if that,

02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:27.940
<v Ivan>when it's at toss, if there's anything to read from that.

02:10:27.940 --> 02:10:34.620
<v Ivan>the one that's gray, I'm not sure, because I see that in Arizona,

02:10:35.040 --> 02:10:41.140
<v Ivan>you see how it's lean R right now for Arizona, but it looks about the same.

02:10:41.280 --> 02:10:43.480
<v Ivan>I can't tell if there's a fucking difference.

02:10:44.280 --> 02:10:45.560
<v Sam>I think there is.

02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:49.860
<v Ivan>But yeah, I can't tell if there's really a difference.

02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:55.460
<v Sam>Margin in Wisconsin with 44% vote in is 200 votes.

02:10:55.460 --> 02:10:58.500
<v Ivan>No i'm looking at 2000 over here right now.

02:10:58.500 --> 02:11:00.660
<v Sam>What new york new york.

02:11:00.660 --> 02:11:09.700
<v Ivan>New york times 44 percent and yeah i'm looking at 732-690-730896 oh yep yep

02:11:09.700 --> 02:11:15.480
<v Ivan>she's up in michigan she is behind pennsylvania right now and.

02:11:15.480 --> 02:11:17.680
<v Sam>Pennsylvania is up to 51 percent.

02:11:17.680 --> 02:11:22.180
<v Ivan>Yeah but again Yeah.

02:11:22.420 --> 02:11:28.160
<v Sam>So Karnacki on MSNBC is going through various counties in Pennsylvania and showing

02:11:28.160 --> 02:11:36.040
<v Sam>basically Harris is a couple percent behind where Joe Biden was in a bunch of

02:11:36.040 --> 02:11:37.780
<v Sam>these counties, which would,

02:11:38.160 --> 02:11:43.940
<v Sam>since Biden just barely won Pennsylvania, if that's a consistent pattern across

02:11:43.940 --> 02:11:45.540
<v Sam>the board, that means Harris loses PA.

02:11:46.300 --> 02:11:48.720
<v Sam>And there is no path without PA at the moment.

02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:50.860
<v Ivan>But there is no pants without PA.

02:11:52.380 --> 02:11:53.960
<v Sam>DGHQ puts Iowa to Trump.

02:11:54.920 --> 02:12:01.720
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. They called it. Yeah. Harris is ahead now in Arizona with 50% of

02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:03.960
<v Ivan>the vote report, 51% of the vote reportings.

02:12:04.360 --> 02:12:07.520
<v Sam>Yeah. That would be nice if that held on. Yeah.

02:12:08.360 --> 02:12:08.840
<v Ivan>I know.

02:12:10.840 --> 02:12:15.640
<v Sam>We're going to be waiting for vote by mail and crap like that over the next few days.

02:12:15.740 --> 02:12:18.480
<v Ivan>Yeah. The problem is, of course, with Pennsylvania, with the margin where it

02:12:18.480 --> 02:12:20.160
<v Ivan>is right now, it's just that it.

02:12:22.590 --> 02:12:26.630
<v Ivan>So, so yeah, because they didn't start counting all those vote by mail.

02:12:26.750 --> 02:12:28.130
<v Ivan>So it's what happened the last time too.

02:12:28.770 --> 02:12:32.130
<v Ivan>That's why they, they, they got into the shouting match.

02:12:32.330 --> 02:12:36.690
<v Sam>But, but also vote by mail this time is not expected to be quite as disproportionate

02:12:36.690 --> 02:12:41.430
<v Sam>as it was before because Trump has been pushing remote options as well this time around.

02:12:42.330 --> 02:12:45.890
<v Ivan>Wow. Question is, of course, if they did it, now one thing is it talking about

02:12:45.890 --> 02:12:49.270
<v Ivan>it is he talked about it through both, both sides, you know, the mouth.

02:12:49.270 --> 02:12:53.350
<v Sam>Well, yeah, but at least according to the number of ballots ordered in their

02:12:53.350 --> 02:12:59.130
<v Sam>early vote numbers, the Republicans were leading Democrats in early vote, including mail.

02:12:59.630 --> 02:13:02.750
<v Ivan>No no but but my thing is it just also depends on where you

02:13:02.750 --> 02:13:06.730
<v Ivan>know where the okay the mail-in votes are or the the

02:13:06.730 --> 02:13:09.570
<v Ivan>the amount but also where you know where they were ordered

02:13:09.570 --> 02:13:12.430
<v Ivan>from yeah yeah what i'm saying i mean because when when you've got like

02:13:12.430 --> 02:13:16.590
<v Ivan>montgomery county that's only 29 percent of the votes in right which is right

02:13:16.590 --> 02:13:22.510
<v Ivan>i mean how much is that mail-in i mean which is that's you know it's very solidly

02:13:22.510 --> 02:13:29.750
<v Ivan>blue i i don't know i don't know those are the key questions no What.

02:13:29.750 --> 02:13:29.790
<v Sam>Do you think?

02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:39.360
<v Sam>you wanted ulcers right,

02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:48.500
<v Sam>okay so jonathan updates only 11 of philadelphia counted when i was canvassing

02:13:48.500 --> 02:13:51.720
<v Sam>there they said there were about a hundred thousand registered dems in west

02:13:51.720 --> 02:13:57.980
<v Sam>philly that did not vote in the last election the canvassing there was very thorough i.

02:13:57.980 --> 02:14:02.700
<v Ivan>Mean i think he's right that's why you know This is like still in a toss up

02:14:02.700 --> 02:14:04.960
<v Ivan>because it's just so many of those votes are there.

02:14:05.120 --> 02:14:08.180
<v Ivan>I mean, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the key.

02:14:09.340 --> 02:14:15.480
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't know. Some other state got called for Harris by, yeah. They got her 112.

02:14:16.100 --> 02:14:17.920
<v Ivan>Let me see over in New York.

02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:19.460
<v Sam>New York.

02:14:20.380 --> 02:14:22.700
<v Ivan>Nah, DC and Colorado.

02:14:23.060 --> 02:14:24.980
<v Sam>Yeah, I had DC, but New York has been called too.

02:14:25.700 --> 02:14:26.140
<v Ivan>Okay.

02:14:27.260 --> 02:14:33.420
<v Sam>Which again, not a surprise. you're not surprised so richard wants to know how

02:14:33.420 --> 02:14:35.880
<v Sam>is wisconsin looking too.

02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:36.500
<v Ivan>Close to call.

02:14:36.500 --> 02:14:43.860
<v Sam>Too close to call but trump is leading with 48 of the votes in 49.7 to 48.8.

02:14:43.860 --> 02:14:50.980
<v Ivan>I mean we're talking about 13 000 votes basically out of 1.5.

02:14:50.980 --> 02:14:54.860
<v Sam>Million so yeah but again it's very tight need wisconsin,

02:14:55.740 --> 02:15:02.300
<v Sam>any wisconsin i mean you could trade wisconsin for arizona but it seems unlikely

02:15:02.300 --> 02:15:08.440
<v Sam>any wisconsin oh there it goes bitcoin hits all-time high as u.s election results

02:15:08.440 --> 02:15:10.740
<v Sam>come in they they like donald,

02:15:12.820 --> 02:15:16.840
<v Sam>pete says every four years i ask myself why do i do this to myself.

02:15:19.400 --> 02:15:22.880
<v Ivan>Yeah i don't blame you jesus christ.

02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:24.160
<v Sam>What do you got.

02:15:25.120 --> 02:15:28.360
<v Ivan>New York Times has Michigan lean R right now.

02:15:29.120 --> 02:15:32.860
<v Sam>No path without Michigan. You need all three of those.

02:15:34.920 --> 02:15:40.980
<v Sam>And you know, if you get a situation where Harris pulls out Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

02:15:40.980 --> 02:15:44.200
<v Sam>but loses Michigan, everyone's going to say it's all about Gaza.

02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:48.440
<v Ivan>Well, one thing is that Wayne County is only 1% reported.

02:15:49.980 --> 02:15:56.120
<v Sam>New York Times odds are up to 82% Trump. So DDHQ is down a little at 72.

02:15:57.080 --> 02:16:01.460
<v Ivan>Georgia, pretty sure. The Gwinnett reported a large batch tonight.

02:16:01.460 --> 02:16:03.940
<v Ivan>It's not enough to overcome Georgia.

02:16:04.320 --> 02:16:07.320
<v Sam>Yeah, they're at 91%, and it's a three-point margin.

02:16:07.540 --> 02:16:10.680
<v Ivan>Yeah, and DDHQ called, DDHQ called Georgia. Now that Gwinnett came in,

02:16:10.780 --> 02:16:12.180
<v Ivan>DDHQ called Georgia for Trump.

02:16:12.400 --> 02:16:16.680
<v Sam>Richard asks, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, PA, is all we are watching.

02:16:17.160 --> 02:16:20.460
<v Sam>Pretty much. Bob says no one else is even close to that.

02:16:21.620 --> 02:16:26.120
<v Sam>Yeah. And really, it's Wisconsin, Michigan, PA. Like...

02:16:27.140 --> 02:16:29.840
<v Sam>me, me, Paris is still.

02:16:30.040 --> 02:16:35.580
<v Ivan>I mean, say you lost Michigan and you get got Arizona and Nevada.

02:16:37.480 --> 02:16:41.480
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, that could be, but can't.

02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:46.880
<v Sam>You know, Wisconsin blue again reported by Jonathan. I don't see it yet on my update.

02:16:47.060 --> 02:16:49.220
<v Ivan>But no, I do see on DDHQ.

02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:53.100
<v Sam>Yeah, but New York Times is ahead of DDHQ, though.

02:16:53.700 --> 02:17:00.820
<v Sam>There are New York Times says 50 ddhq and we got 48 back red yeah and trump

02:17:00.820 --> 02:17:02.780
<v Sam>is currently leading in ca as well,

02:17:03.580 --> 02:17:10.860
<v Sam>john says philly's still at 11 i don't know at the moment i'm it's the michigan

02:17:10.860 --> 02:17:14.920
<v Sam>lean czar that bugs me that means that new york times thinks that there are

02:17:14.920 --> 02:17:17.800
<v Sam>more red votes outstanding than blue,

02:17:19.920 --> 02:17:27.560
<v Sam>Harris did finally pull ahead in Virginia at 74% of the vote just fucking barely though.

02:17:27.560 --> 02:17:29.860
<v Ivan>Yeah but there's still a lot of votes left.

02:17:31.740 --> 02:17:36.880
<v Sam>New York Times has Michigan back at toss up Arizona.

02:17:36.880 --> 02:17:38.840
<v Ivan>Has a 4,000.

02:17:38.840 --> 02:17:41.060
<v Sam>Vote margin that's what I was about to say.

02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:45.280
<v Ivan>Arizona is so retarded.

02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:48.860
<v Sam>Trump has taken the lead by 0.2% in Arizona.

02:17:49.140 --> 02:17:54.840
<v Ivan>Sorry. Fucking God damn it. I used the damn R word. Slap me, Sam.

02:17:55.020 --> 02:17:56.060
<v Sam>Boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:17:56.880 --> 02:17:57.160
<v Ivan>Sorry.

02:17:57.300 --> 02:18:03.260
<v Sam>With 53% of the vote in. And yeah, New York Times has it lean R based on where those votes are.

02:18:04.140 --> 02:18:07.980
<v Sam>Which is what I was saying in terms of like, don't count on Arizona to make

02:18:07.980 --> 02:18:09.180
<v Sam>up a loss in the blue wall.

02:18:10.180 --> 02:18:13.140
<v Ivan>I don't know. You know, I'm looking at this. And once again,

02:18:13.400 --> 02:18:17.160
<v Ivan>a lot of the votes, you know, Maricopa is the, is, is, you know,

02:18:17.340 --> 02:18:19.520
<v Ivan>the, uh, elephant in the room there.

02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:20.480
<v Sam>It's only half in.

02:18:20.660 --> 02:18:25.240
<v Ivan>It's, it's a, yeah, it's only half in. And the margin is 4,000 votes.

02:18:25.460 --> 02:18:29.280
<v Ivan>I, it's just, you know, that's, yeah.

02:18:30.080 --> 02:18:34.840
<v Ivan>Me, even Pima, you know, they, they're still, so that's, that's another one where.

02:18:36.060 --> 02:18:36.500
<v Sam>Nebraska.

02:18:37.640 --> 02:18:40.740
<v Ivan>Thanks. Yeah. Thank you for, thank you for, you know.

02:18:40.740 --> 02:18:42.660
<v Sam>We had that a long time ago for the whole state.

02:18:42.820 --> 02:18:47.060
<v Ivan>Yeah, fuck all of you. I mean, seriously. Thanks for nothing.

02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:49.740
<v Sam>AOC was re-elected handling.

02:18:52.100 --> 02:18:55.780
<v Sam>Philadelphia is now 56% reporting, by the way, John.

02:18:56.560 --> 02:18:57.140
<v Ivan>Are they?

02:18:57.560 --> 02:19:00.580
<v Sam>Philadelphia County, 56% of votes in.

02:19:01.700 --> 02:19:05.500
<v Ivan>Montgomery at 39. Bucks at 35.

02:19:06.140 --> 02:19:07.140
<v Sam>Philadelphia County.

02:19:07.400 --> 02:19:09.900
<v Ivan>Philadelphia County at 56. Yeah.

02:19:13.180 --> 02:19:19.160
<v Sam>And Trump currently up by 3% in Pennsylvania, sorry, not Philly.

02:19:20.910 --> 02:19:28.690
<v Ivan>I mean, the good news is that 56%, and given that Bucks and those that have

02:19:28.690 --> 02:19:32.110
<v Ivan>reported only 11%, 39% and whatever,

02:19:32.330 --> 02:19:36.030
<v Ivan>and the remainder in Philadelphia County, which is like basically half,

02:19:36.230 --> 02:19:38.170
<v Ivan>that's why it's a toss-up because it's...

02:19:38.850 --> 02:19:45.110
<v Sam>New York Times up to 86% chance from three-hour lines in Nevada to vote still.

02:19:45.310 --> 02:19:51.030
<v Sam>They're holding polls open to clear the lines. so no don't don't expect reports

02:19:51.030 --> 02:19:54.630
<v Sam>of votes from nevada for hours again nevada.

02:19:54.630 --> 02:20:00.190
<v Ivan>Dd dd hq has not really moved their estimate in any significant way.

02:20:00.190 --> 02:20:01.890
<v Sam>Their percent odd.

02:20:01.890 --> 02:20:05.690
<v Ivan>Yeah they're still it's yeah they're still around 70 30 which is around where

02:20:05.690 --> 02:20:08.890
<v Ivan>it started yeah there and.

02:20:08.890 --> 02:20:14.830
<v Sam>Reminder i was at 6436 on election graphs when it started.

02:20:15.570 --> 02:20:21.230
<v Sam>I at least feel justified that I wasn't as far off. I wish I had been far off.

02:20:21.990 --> 02:20:28.330
<v Ivan>No, but you're good. I may not like the results, but the data says what the data is.

02:20:28.630 --> 02:20:34.010
<v Sam>Yeah. Margin in Arizona is down to 1,000 with 53% of votes in.

02:20:35.950 --> 02:20:37.190
<v Sam>With Trump ahead.

02:20:38.190 --> 02:20:41.050
<v Ivan>Yeah, by 1,000 votes. i don't like.

02:20:41.050 --> 02:20:47.270
<v Sam>This is another one by the way and one of the reasons it feels like 2016 is

02:20:47.270 --> 02:20:51.550
<v Sam>it seems like in the last week trump had given up yeah.

02:20:51.550 --> 02:20:56.950
<v Ivan>I know which he did yeah he did that and i mean he was shocked when he won.

02:20:56.950 --> 02:20:57.230
<v Sam>Yeah,

02:21:00.250 --> 02:21:06.030
<v Sam>and this this ties into the you know i i didn't include it in my last blog post

02:21:06.030 --> 02:21:09.910
<v Sam>on election graphs but I included it over and over and over in previous blog posts,

02:21:09.950 --> 02:21:18.850
<v Sam>how Biden first and then Harris was consistently underperforming both Biden

02:21:18.850 --> 02:21:21.030
<v Sam>and Clinton from the last two cycles.

02:21:21.850 --> 02:21:23.130
<v Sam>And that's what we're seeing.

02:21:27.210 --> 02:21:31.810
<v Sam>Yeah, Trump currently head in both Wisconsin and PA. If that holds up, all done.

02:21:32.150 --> 02:21:37.390
<v Sam>Oh, no, all three now. Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA all have Trump leads at the moment.

02:21:38.550 --> 02:21:42.850
<v Sam>They've got both. New York Times has both Wisconsin and Michigan as lean R right now.

02:21:43.410 --> 02:21:44.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. I saw.

02:21:45.670 --> 02:21:53.770
<v Sam>And so does DDHQ. Jonathan says it'll be a long fucking time before a party runs a woman again.

02:21:54.670 --> 02:21:55.990
<v Ivan>I sure hope not.

02:21:55.990 --> 02:22:01.750
<v Sam>I don't know but it may be one of those things where the first one to win has

02:22:01.750 --> 02:22:05.270
<v Sam>to be a Republican yes great,

02:22:06.650 --> 02:22:10.970
<v Sam>oh we got Kansas did I already have Kansas no I didn't have Kansas,

02:22:11.970 --> 02:22:18.090
<v Sam>not a surprise of course yeah Karnacki keeps pointing out like numbers in various

02:22:18.090 --> 02:22:25.590
<v Sam>counties in like Michigan are looking like 2016 not like 2020 20 uh main one

02:22:25.590 --> 02:22:30.950
<v Sam>goes to as expected to uh harris there's.

02:22:30.950 --> 02:22:33.050
<v Ivan>One of the things so michigan's only at 26.

02:22:33.050 --> 02:22:37.750
<v Sam>Bob's dropping out thanks bye bye bob bye.

02:22:37.750 --> 02:22:39.270
<v Ivan>Bye bob good night.

02:22:39.270 --> 02:22:40.830
<v Sam>Good night it.

02:22:40.830 --> 02:22:46.570
<v Ivan>Tightened up a little bit now with the last batch of votes in michigan dow futures

02:22:46.570 --> 02:22:56.090
<v Ivan>jump 500 points russell 2000 futures rise two percent as traders spent trump winning that's the.

02:22:56.090 --> 02:22:59.890
<v Sam>You know the fact that the markets like

02:22:59.890 --> 02:23:03.630
<v Sam>like are happy about a republican potential

02:23:03.630 --> 02:23:06.770
<v Sam>win here even though the markets tend

02:23:06.770 --> 02:23:11.870
<v Sam>to do better under democrats is just weird although i saw someone saying that

02:23:11.870 --> 02:23:15.090
<v Sam>their expectation was the market would go up no matter what just because of

02:23:15.090 --> 02:23:20.310
<v Sam>the resolution of the uncertainty but new york times is getting close to 90%

02:23:20.310 --> 02:23:24.270
<v Sam>on their odds and DDHQ up to 78.5.

02:23:24.610 --> 02:23:27.910
<v Ivan>Yeah. DDHQ number has been going up again.

02:23:28.310 --> 02:23:34.970
<v Sam>Well, and it's all cause it's cause you know, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are red right now.

02:23:35.710 --> 02:23:36.530
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know.

02:23:37.310 --> 02:23:44.910
<v Sam>Well, so is Michigan. They're all red right now. Oh yeah. Bedtime for tea leaves as well. Good night.

02:23:45.390 --> 02:23:46.410
<v Ivan>All right. Good night.

02:23:46.450 --> 02:23:46.870
<v Sam>Good night, Pete.

02:23:48.390 --> 02:23:51.470
<v Sam>John is dropping too, hoping for better news in the morning.

02:23:51.930 --> 02:23:54.070
<v Sam>Me too, but it's not looking good, John.

02:23:54.870 --> 02:24:01.010
<v Ivan>Not looking good right now. The DTHQ forecast is basically 254, 284 right now.

02:24:02.190 --> 02:24:07.890
<v Ivan>The New York Times a little bit more. Not what we were expecting,

02:24:07.990 --> 02:24:09.470
<v Ivan>what we were hoping right now.

02:24:09.870 --> 02:24:15.110
<v Ivan>Tell you what, the margin in Pennsylvania has tightened up a little bit.

02:24:15.630 --> 02:24:20.330
<v Ivan>They're all very tight. I mean, Wisconsin's 30,000 votes.

02:24:21.450 --> 02:24:26.110
<v Ivan>Michigan, 50,000 votes right now, with only 28% of the vote in, by the way, in Michigan.

02:24:26.670 --> 02:24:33.510
<v Ivan>PA is, what, 100,000 votes with 67% of the vote in.

02:24:34.690 --> 02:24:38.590
<v Ivan>Montgomery County is the one that, I mean, oh, Jesus Christ.

02:24:39.230 --> 02:24:43.130
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, the New York Times still has Pennsylvania as a toss-up for a reason.

02:24:43.370 --> 02:24:47.170
<v Ivan>I mean, they definitely believe that that's getting tighter.

02:24:47.290 --> 02:24:48.670
<v Sam>But the thing is.

02:24:48.970 --> 02:24:53.150
<v Ivan>Michigan and Wisconsin are- The theme.

02:24:53.270 --> 02:24:57.750
<v Sam>Though, as Kornacki goes over his boards on all of these states is,

02:24:57.910 --> 02:25:02.670
<v Sam>over and over and over again, Harris is underperforming Biden in 2020.

02:25:03.590 --> 02:25:05.870
<v Sam>And Biden won by the skin of his teeth.

02:25:06.610 --> 02:25:14.490
<v Ivan>I mean, technically, you could lose one of Michigan and Wisconsin and gain Arizona

02:25:14.490 --> 02:25:17.030
<v Ivan>and Nevada, but that's tough.

02:25:17.530 --> 02:25:21.590
<v Sam>Yeah, but Arizona's not looking good.

02:25:23.070 --> 02:25:28.210
<v Ivan>I mean, 53% of the vote in is 3,000 vote margin right now. Yeah.

02:25:29.630 --> 02:25:31.070
<v Ivan>Not looking impossible.

02:25:31.270 --> 02:25:33.170
<v Sam>But they have it as lean R for a reason as well.

02:25:33.950 --> 02:25:34.130
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:25:35.930 --> 02:25:41.710
<v Sam>DDHQ gives Marino, Ohio for Senate, which looking at the numbers was like...

02:25:43.400 --> 02:25:49.200
<v Sam>Brown was never ahead. McCormick is also leading Casey in Pennsylvania for Senate as well.

02:25:50.020 --> 02:25:55.620
<v Ivan>Oh, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, one of the dissonances, you remember talking about.

02:25:55.620 --> 02:26:02.780
<v Sam>The- Rodgers beating Slotkin in Michigan. Hovda beating Baldwin in Wisconsin.

02:26:03.340 --> 02:26:04.820
<v Ivan>I'm looking at a DDHQ.

02:26:05.180 --> 02:26:07.720
<v Sam>I'm looking at New York Times for those.

02:26:08.720 --> 02:26:13.320
<v Ivan>Baldwin is ahead. I'm looking at, they have both, they have the opposite.

02:26:13.400 --> 02:26:15.280
<v Sam>New York Times has 60%,

02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:22.100
<v Sam>in the Senate race for those votes.

02:26:23.140 --> 02:26:28.160
<v Ivan>I mean, Pennsylvania is getting tighter. It's down to 90,000 votes right now,

02:26:28.240 --> 02:26:30.760
<v Ivan>but the needle's got it to lean R now.

02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:32.660
<v Sam>Lean R for all three.

02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:37.580
<v Ivan>Yeah, lean R for all three. Let me go make some more teeth.

02:26:38.120 --> 02:26:38.260
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:26:39.120 --> 02:26:40.720
<v Ivan>Who is still on?

02:26:41.400 --> 02:26:46.440
<v Sam>I know. Say hi for whoever's still on. There are three people here. One of them's you.

02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:52.340
<v Ivan>No, one of them's me, so only two. Ah, all right, Bruce. No.

02:26:53.740 --> 02:27:01.200
<v Ivan>Well, yeah, now we're down to two. So that would be... Ah, okay, it's only Bruce.

02:27:01.400 --> 02:27:02.060
<v Sam>Bruce and us.

02:27:04.600 --> 02:27:05.900
<v Ivan>I'm going to go make some tea.

02:27:07.220 --> 02:27:08.440
<v Sam>All right, see you in a few minutes.

02:27:08.480 --> 02:27:09.100
<v Ivan>I'll be right back.

02:27:09.680 --> 02:27:17.780
<v Sam>Once you get back, I'll get something for me. California projected oh big shocker there.

02:27:20.800 --> 02:27:25.560
<v Sam>Idaho, too early to call in Washington.

02:27:25.740 --> 02:27:28.920
<v Sam>Well, Washington has one data dump today and then tomorrow.

02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:35.160
<v Sam>Oh, feel free to make your comments and questions, Bruce. I will probably keep going.

02:27:35.640 --> 02:27:39.100
<v Sam>I wouldn't be surprised if Yvonne drops at midnight Eastern,

02:27:39.100 --> 02:27:40.940
<v Sam>but I have nothing else to do.

02:27:41.060 --> 02:27:45.060
<v Sam>I plan to do this all night until there's nothing else useful.

02:27:45.800 --> 02:27:50.080
<v Sam>So for your questions, let's see. Is there anyone else who could have done better

02:27:50.080 --> 02:27:52.060
<v Sam>than Harris? Should they have had a brokered convention?

02:27:52.320 --> 02:27:58.640
<v Sam>I think even if there is somebody that theoretically could have done better than Harris,

02:27:58.660 --> 02:28:05.700
<v Sam>if like Biden had decided not to run two years ago and they'd had like an open battle,

02:28:05.700 --> 02:28:12.820
<v Sam>if they had done anyone else other than Harris in some sort of brokered convention,

02:28:12.820 --> 02:28:17.020
<v Sam>abbreviated primary or whatever, I think they would have ended up doing worse.

02:28:17.020 --> 02:28:18.740
<v Sam>because it would have been divisive.

02:28:19.240 --> 02:28:23.140
<v Sam>Harris was about as unifying as you could possibly get within the Democrats.

02:28:24.200 --> 02:28:31.200
<v Sam>You, of course, had the issue with some of the left wing sort of holding back

02:28:31.200 --> 02:28:35.320
<v Sam>because of Gaza, but you would have had that with any Democratic candidate who would have won.

02:28:35.500 --> 02:28:37.580
<v Sam>So that was not different.

02:28:38.320 --> 02:28:41.420
<v Sam>But yeah, I think Harris was their best bet.

02:28:42.420 --> 02:28:46.440
<v Sam>And yeah, I think if If you were going to go for anybody else,

02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:51.900
<v Sam>it would have had to have been in a scenario where Biden had announced way,

02:28:52.220 --> 02:28:56.480
<v Sam>way back that he wasn't going anywhere or sorry that he wasn't running.

02:28:56.480 --> 02:29:04.500
<v Ivan>The thing about this is it's just the results, what they are showing is that it didn't matter.

02:29:04.700 --> 02:29:08.300
<v Ivan>I don't think it really, there wasn't any candidate that Democrats could have

02:29:08.300 --> 02:29:11.300
<v Ivan>put up that would have won.

02:29:11.680 --> 02:29:18.100
<v Ivan>For whatever reason, a large percentage of this country wanted Trump to be president again.

02:29:18.620 --> 02:29:18.780
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:29:19.420 --> 02:29:26.460
<v Ivan>I mean, they for some reason really truly believe that they were better.

02:29:26.480 --> 02:29:26.980
<v Sam>They.

02:29:26.980 --> 02:29:28.040
<v Ivan>Were better off with trump.

02:29:28.040 --> 02:29:31.880
<v Sam>And as we were pointing out with that swing map like huge

02:29:31.880 --> 02:29:35.160
<v Sam>portions of the country redder than

02:29:35.160 --> 02:29:38.260
<v Sam>they were four years ago and specifically more

02:29:38.260 --> 02:29:43.680
<v Sam>trumpy than they were four years ago even the blue even in the blue states they've

02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:48.980
<v Sam>moved trumpier which is you know like and again from from the point of view

02:29:48.980 --> 02:29:54.340
<v Sam>of yvonne and i at least like this would be perfectly understandable if the

02:29:54.340 --> 02:29:55.620
<v Sam>nominee was Haley or somebody,

02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:59.180
<v Sam>but it's, it's completely baffling with Trump.

02:29:59.640 --> 02:30:03.800
<v Ivan>I think it's just extremely baffling to me that in the middle of an economy

02:30:03.800 --> 02:30:08.860
<v Ivan>that has actually recovered so much from where it was.

02:30:09.180 --> 02:30:10.180
<v Sam>Washington called, by the way.

02:30:12.400 --> 02:30:15.820
<v Ivan>You know, an economy that improved vastly from where it was in Oregon too.

02:30:15.980 --> 02:30:16.260
<v Sam>I think.

02:30:16.820 --> 02:30:20.060
<v Ivan>And, and people in people's incomes are up there.

02:30:20.160 --> 02:30:25.140
<v Ivan>There's a lot of things that are not Oregon yet are positive that people still,

02:30:25.360 --> 02:30:33.840
<v Ivan>for whatever reason felt that if they were that, that the Democrats didn't do anything for them.

02:30:34.380 --> 02:30:38.080
<v Ivan>And I mean, the stock market is up.

02:30:38.880 --> 02:30:41.460
<v Ivan>Inflation came down. Wages are up.

02:30:42.460 --> 02:30:48.980
<v Ivan>I, you know, I don't, I don't know what the hell else you, you do.

02:30:50.320 --> 02:30:58.400
<v Ivan>I, I, I don't know. And, and I mean, I mean, this guy is a convicted felon and

02:30:58.400 --> 02:31:02.380
<v Ivan>they wanted the convicted felon. Oh, oh, Richard is back. Yeah.

02:31:02.980 --> 02:31:08.880
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, I don't know if you're hearing us, but Sam and I right now are very pessimistic.

02:31:08.880 --> 02:31:17.840
<v Sam>The 88 seems about right like honestly yeah the odds they're giving we we and and ddhq has it it takes.

02:31:17.840 --> 02:31:20.500
<v Ivan>It it takes a miracle right now.

02:31:20.500 --> 02:31:22.340
<v Sam>I mean for.

02:31:22.340 --> 02:31:23.160
<v Ivan>Harris to pull it out.

02:31:23.160 --> 02:31:29.720
<v Sam>Yeah she has to catch up in wisconsin wisconsin wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania

02:31:29.720 --> 02:31:32.530
<v Sam>they're all behind in all She's right under.

02:31:32.810 --> 02:31:37.770
<v Ivan>She's, you know, behind in Pennsylvania by over a hundred thousand votes.

02:31:38.110 --> 02:31:46.350
<v Ivan>I mean, she's behind in Michigan by 80,000 and she's behind in Wisconsin now by 50,000 votes.

02:31:48.050 --> 02:31:52.050
<v Ivan>There is no, there is no path to get around that.

02:31:53.130 --> 02:31:57.550
<v Ivan>You could, like I said, you could lose one and maybe there's a path around it,

02:31:57.690 --> 02:32:03.170
<v Ivan>but not all three, not, not two. Definitely not all three.

02:32:03.330 --> 02:32:05.430
<v Sam>We got Maine, Maine for.

02:32:05.930 --> 02:32:07.610
<v Ivan>By the way, they call California.

02:32:07.770 --> 02:32:10.610
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. That happened while you were gone. I mentioned it.

02:32:11.290 --> 02:32:13.350
<v Ivan>No. Okay. I thought you said Washington State.

02:32:13.470 --> 02:32:16.370
<v Sam>Oh, I, I, that was after I mentioned the others earlier.

02:32:17.090 --> 02:32:20.030
<v Sam>and we got Maine all where's Maine all there

02:32:20.030 --> 02:32:23.090
<v Sam>it is and and Oregon

02:32:23.090 --> 02:32:29.750
<v Sam>as well okay still theoretically uncalled we could go from Harris by 68 to Trump

02:32:29.750 --> 02:32:36.690
<v Sam>by 86 but that involves catching up in several uncalled states okay talk for

02:32:36.690 --> 02:32:40.290
<v Sam>a minute Yvonne I'm gonna be back in just a minute so.

02:32:40.290 --> 02:32:44.090
<v Ivan>I don't know because Richard came back in let me just do a recap of where the

02:32:44.090 --> 02:32:49.990
<v Ivan>hell we are right now in the states that haven't been like officially like, like the, for example,

02:32:50.150 --> 02:32:55.330
<v Ivan>Georgia decision desk called it already for, for Trump. New York times.

02:32:55.810 --> 02:32:59.390
<v Ivan>Hasn't margin. The margin there is about a hundred thousand votes,

02:32:59.470 --> 02:33:01.010
<v Ivan>but you got 93% of the vote in.

02:33:01.310 --> 02:33:04.730
<v Ivan>I mean, highly unlikely you can overcome that right now at this point,

02:33:05.430 --> 02:33:07.290
<v Ivan>North Carolina is about the same.

02:33:07.530 --> 02:33:13.430
<v Ivan>Uh, you got 87% of the votes. Trump is up by about 100,000 votes Don't see a

02:33:13.430 --> 02:33:21.570
<v Ivan>path there either at this point Pennsylvania's got 72% of the votes in and Trump is up by Jesus,

02:33:22.830 --> 02:33:25.290
<v Ivan>now about 180,000 votes.

02:33:27.960 --> 02:33:33.800
<v Ivan>There could be a way to make that up, but it's not looking good with 72%.

02:33:35.720 --> 02:33:41.140
<v Ivan>Michigan, 90,000 vote difference right now. Trump ahead, 30% of the vote in.

02:33:41.600 --> 02:33:50.100
<v Ivan>I mean, what the models are stating from this, that they've got them like all

02:33:50.100 --> 02:33:55.060
<v Ivan>three at leaning Republican, is basically that from where the rest of the votes are coming,

02:33:55.680 --> 02:34:02.680
<v Ivan>it's not expected to be able to make up that that gap right now you got 50 000 votes,

02:34:03.240 --> 02:34:10.600
<v Ivan>wisconsin was 63 percent of the vote in but you know the one thing is that without

02:34:10.600 --> 02:34:16.420
<v Ivan>pennsylvania forget about it i and and right now pennsylvania is 51 to 48 i

02:34:16.420 --> 02:34:19.580
<v Ivan>mean it's not it's i mean unless,

02:34:21.160 --> 02:34:22.780
<v Ivan>Pennsylvania somehow comes back.

02:34:23.740 --> 02:34:28.260
<v Ivan>I mean, there is no path with Pennsylvania. You could theoretically do something

02:34:28.260 --> 02:34:34.200
<v Ivan>losing one of Michigan or Wisconsin, but you can't lose both.

02:34:34.740 --> 02:34:42.740
<v Ivan>Arizona right now, 4,000 vote gap, but still, I mean, you can't,

02:34:43.340 --> 02:34:45.200
<v Ivan>yeah, that's not enough.

02:34:45.620 --> 02:34:53.940
<v Ivan>You have that turns back. so so yeah so you know nevada's not in yet but none

02:34:53.940 --> 02:35:00.040
<v Ivan>of that matters i mean if if if went with these three with with pennsylvania

02:35:00.040 --> 02:35:03.400
<v Ivan>michigan and wisconsin it just doesn't really matter.

02:35:04.990 --> 02:35:08.950
<v Ivan>So, I mean, oh, I.

02:35:09.990 --> 02:35:14.490
<v Sam>Sorry, I'm back, but I can't hear yet. Headphones on.

02:35:14.670 --> 02:35:17.450
<v Ivan>Hello, hello. Hello, hello.

02:35:18.450 --> 02:35:23.230
<v Sam>Joe Biden, one year by eight points. And right now, we'll see in Lehigh County,

02:35:23.390 --> 02:35:26.350
<v Sam>the city of Ballantown is in the majority.

02:35:26.770 --> 02:35:31.830
<v Ivan>I mean, the trouncing in Florida is just ridiculous.

02:35:33.430 --> 02:35:39.890
<v Ivan>I mean, by the way, Texas is not even close. Texas is about the same.

02:35:40.290 --> 02:35:42.650
<v Ivan>It's 14 points, like right now, for Texas.

02:35:43.330 --> 02:35:45.110
<v Ivan>Not, not, can you hear me?

02:35:46.030 --> 02:35:51.310
<v Ivan>Sam? No, he can't hear me. And he's scrambling over there with cables.

02:35:51.930 --> 02:35:54.210
<v Sam>Something else I would see tonight, this is, this is really,

02:35:54.350 --> 02:35:56.430
<v Sam>I keep pulling it out because I keep seeing it.

02:35:56.470 --> 02:36:01.270
<v Sam>I think it's important to know. and michigan and wisconsin or donald trump either

02:36:01.270 --> 02:36:04.790
<v Sam>there we go i can hear again hello yvonne.

02:36:05.690 --> 02:36:12.350
<v Ivan>Okay so i was mentioning that right now by the way texas the current vote at

02:36:12.350 --> 02:36:18.270
<v Ivan>81 percent reported uh trump is winning by 14 points so it's not not it's not

02:36:18.270 --> 02:36:22.410
<v Ivan>even narrowly same as florida last time no not at all no.

02:36:22.410 --> 02:36:25.830
<v Sam>Like last yeah yeah it's widening.

02:36:25.830 --> 02:36:26.770
<v Ivan>His margin not at all.

02:36:26.770 --> 02:36:29.170
<v Sam>2020 significantly like the narrative.

02:36:29.170 --> 02:36:30.530
<v Ivan>Has been for a while that like.

02:36:30.530 --> 02:36:36.310
<v Sam>You know yeah texas is the white whale but it's getting closer each time no apparently not.

02:36:36.310 --> 02:36:45.970
<v Ivan>No not not i mean basically it wound up looking the same as florida yeah and yeah georgia is,

02:36:47.380 --> 02:36:54.820
<v Ivan>definitely very tight, but now North Carolina, the same, very tight, but now it's just.

02:36:54.920 --> 02:36:59.140
<v Sam>You know, the 63. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

02:36:59.780 --> 02:37:04.440
<v Sam>At the moment, you know, we were talking about the Colt, the polls are pretty

02:37:04.440 --> 02:37:07.700
<v Sam>close to on. If anything, at this point, they underestimated Trump again.

02:37:08.360 --> 02:37:10.440
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, in certain places.

02:37:10.920 --> 02:37:13.820
<v Sam>Well, well, no, I mean, even in like, no.

02:37:13.980 --> 02:37:16.820
<v Ivan>In Wisconsin and Michigan. Yeah. They, they, they had Wisconsin,

02:37:16.820 --> 02:37:18.020
<v Ivan>michigan and pennsylvania.

02:37:18.020 --> 02:37:20.020
<v Sam>You know my average is that.

02:37:20.020 --> 02:37:24.740
<v Ivan>Well pennsylvania was the average was slight uh trump slightly ahead but by 0.1.

02:37:24.740 --> 02:37:26.080
<v Sam>It looks like he's gonna win by

02:37:26.080 --> 02:37:30.700
<v Sam>three yeah i mean i mean that could still narrow that could work exactly.

02:37:30.700 --> 02:37:35.840
<v Ivan>Yeah but but you know it's about where it was but the reality is in these three

02:37:35.840 --> 02:37:39.140
<v Ivan>the margins are still within the margin you know when you look at.

02:37:39.140 --> 02:37:39.940
<v Sam>Yeah they're all.

02:37:39.940 --> 02:37:43.580
<v Ivan>They call it they were they were like relatively in the range of.

02:37:43.580 --> 02:37:48.800
<v Sam>I mean we said the range of the air but texas and florida we said repeatedly

02:37:48.800 --> 02:37:55.260
<v Sam>that all of these seven states could easily go either way they're easily going to the trump side,

02:37:56.920 --> 02:38:03.680
<v Sam>but but yeah like the the ones that are off by a lot more yeah it will it'll

02:38:03.680 --> 02:38:07.920
<v Sam>take a while to get final results i mean at some point i'll go through and compare

02:38:07.920 --> 02:38:13.940
<v Sam>the final poll averages in every state to the actual vote results and fold them into,

02:38:14.360 --> 02:38:17.300
<v Sam>you know, my preparations for 2028.

02:38:17.680 --> 02:38:22.300
<v Sam>Honestly, I, that may take me a while. I don't know that I'll be doing that.

02:38:22.520 --> 02:38:26.660
<v Ivan>By the way, Virginia is only Harris is ahead, but it's only by two points in Virginia.

02:38:26.860 --> 02:38:26.980
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:38:27.560 --> 02:38:31.740
<v Ivan>Maryland in Virginia. Now Maryland is, she's up by 22 points.

02:38:31.900 --> 02:38:32.940
<v Sam>Which is about what was expected.

02:38:33.400 --> 02:38:37.040
<v Ivan>New York. It's like, it's a blowout too. It's about 14 points.

02:38:37.960 --> 02:38:42.260
<v Ivan>So is Massachusetts. you know, those are,

02:38:43.520 --> 02:38:47.400
<v Ivan>In, in the ballpark, Colorado is also a blowout 55, 43.

02:38:47.820 --> 02:38:51.800
<v Sam>I'll point out, I'll point out too, assuming Trump wins this,

02:38:51.980 --> 02:38:55.600
<v Sam>which is what looks likely at this point, it's a legit win.

02:38:56.300 --> 02:39:01.160
<v Sam>You know, there's no like, oh my God, he cheated. No, it's a legit win.

02:39:01.960 --> 02:39:10.140
<v Sam>It's just that a, you know, a huge portion of the population of this country wants this.

02:39:11.120 --> 02:39:17.620
<v Sam>now he's still well actually like what are they updated uh and and harris will

02:39:17.620 --> 02:39:19.600
<v Sam>still probably i think he's going to.

02:39:19.600 --> 02:39:23.260
<v Ivan>Still lose the way yeah he's still she's still looking like she's going to win the popular vote.

02:39:23.260 --> 02:39:25.160
<v Sam>Yeah when when when now it may

02:39:25.160 --> 02:39:28.420
<v Sam>take a while for us to get to that count because california is slow but.

02:39:28.420 --> 02:39:32.140
<v Ivan>Yeah right but but it's looking like it because the margin right now is only

02:39:32.140 --> 02:39:38.640
<v Ivan>five million votes yeah without california which is only three percent of the votes and so yeah.

02:39:38.640 --> 02:39:42.940
<v Sam>And california will take weeks to finish their count so right.

02:39:42.940 --> 02:39:50.640
<v Ivan>But it's it's you know not just that if this is the case the republicans are going to keep.

02:39:50.640 --> 02:39:55.700
<v Sam>That yeah they're going to have a trifecta you'll have and i can only imagine

02:39:55.700 --> 02:39:58.980
<v Sam>the damage that's going to do we're gonna we're yeah,

02:40:00.160 --> 02:40:04.600
<v Sam>we'll undoubtedly have this conversation in more detail on the on the main show

02:40:04.600 --> 02:40:08.120
<v Sam>but like A Republican trifecta with Donald Trump,

02:40:08.320 --> 02:40:11.760
<v Sam>a Republican Senate, and not just any Republican Senate and House,

02:40:11.900 --> 02:40:17.900
<v Sam>but a MAGA Republican Senate and House is going to be absolutely disastrous.

02:40:18.700 --> 02:40:19.780
<v Ivan>For the world.

02:40:20.340 --> 02:40:26.140
<v Sam>Yep. I saw one post on Mastodon about an hour ago saying, well,

02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:30.540
<v Sam>Europe, get ready to say hello to Putin. Yeah.

02:40:34.760 --> 02:40:38.140
<v Sam>Yeah, Richard says this is catastrophic for Ukraine. Yep.

02:40:38.720 --> 02:40:45.120
<v Ivan>Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah. And by the way, the idiots in Michigan that decided

02:40:45.120 --> 02:40:49.400
<v Ivan>that they voted against heirs because of Gaza.

02:40:50.100 --> 02:40:51.740
<v Sam>It's disastrous for Gaza.

02:40:52.200 --> 02:40:53.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, just wait.

02:40:54.440 --> 02:41:00.980
<v Sam>I mean, they want to build resorts there, right? Tear it all down and build resorts.

02:41:01.600 --> 02:41:05.640
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean, right now, Michigan is like right now, the margins up to like

02:41:05.640 --> 02:41:07.640
<v Ivan>about almost 100,000 votes.

02:41:08.580 --> 02:41:10.040
<v Sam>Yeah. And 6%.

02:41:11.340 --> 02:41:12.240
<v Ivan>It's not even.

02:41:13.260 --> 02:41:17.140
<v Sam>Bruce mentions on Rogan, Trump said that he'd start negotiation with Putin before

02:41:17.140 --> 02:41:19.920
<v Sam>the inauguration, which is, of course, illegal. But who cares?

02:41:20.780 --> 02:41:22.760
<v Ivan>Yeah. Nobody's going to prosecute him on anything.

02:41:23.880 --> 02:41:28.820
<v Sam>We may, you know, that that's that his sentencing in New York may even be delayed

02:41:28.820 --> 02:41:29.920
<v Sam>till after his presidency.

02:41:31.140 --> 02:41:36.320
<v Sam>now i'm not sure he makes it through his four years but that's a whole other story.

02:41:36.320 --> 02:41:39.100
<v Ivan>That's a whole other story and.

02:41:39.100 --> 02:41:39.880
<v Sam>Then we get vance.

02:41:39.880 --> 02:41:46.980
<v Ivan>Yeah great well i oh this is going to be a problem what.

02:41:46.980 --> 02:41:47.760
<v Sam>Are your batteries running.

02:41:47.760 --> 02:41:54.560
<v Ivan>Um my yeah my headphone batteries while recording you cannot change speaker

02:41:54.560 --> 02:41:58.160
<v Ivan>settings of course because you have are a stupid Good application.

02:41:59.900 --> 02:42:02.460
<v Ivan>Oh, God, Joe. He's got to be dying.

02:42:03.260 --> 02:42:06.260
<v Sam>Yeah. And despite our conversation that he probably would have done worse,

02:42:06.360 --> 02:42:08.620
<v Sam>you know he's there thinking, I could have won this.

02:42:09.460 --> 02:42:12.520
<v Ivan>Okay, you know what? You want to argue that one now?

02:42:14.080 --> 02:42:20.860
<v Ivan>Because I hate to break it to you, but these numbers look worse than what was

02:42:20.860 --> 02:42:24.040
<v Ivan>in the polls before the switch to Harris.

02:42:24.040 --> 02:42:24.500
<v Sam>Mm-hmm.

02:42:25.570 --> 02:42:27.630
<v Ivan>Right now, these numbers look worse.

02:42:28.170 --> 02:42:32.710
<v Sam>They were pretty bad. Like, he was behind by more than 5%.

02:42:32.710 --> 02:42:33.550
<v Ivan>These are worse.

02:42:34.230 --> 02:42:38.690
<v Sam>Well, and he's behind by 6%. Yeah, so it's about the same.

02:42:38.890 --> 02:42:39.470
<v Ivan>These look worse.

02:42:39.470 --> 02:42:42.310
<v Sam>I have to bring up the comparisons one by one, but yeah.

02:42:43.190 --> 02:42:47.050
<v Ivan>Like I said, it was never a good idea to change candidates in the middle of

02:42:47.050 --> 02:42:50.170
<v Ivan>the fucking thing. And to fucking, like, get rid of the incumbency.

02:42:50.810 --> 02:42:54.530
<v Ivan>I'm sorry. But you know what? I love Harris.

02:42:54.530 --> 02:42:58.810
<v Ivan>You know, I voted for her in the last election, but I said vehemently since

02:42:58.810 --> 02:43:07.410
<v Ivan>the beginning that this was suicidal and it's showing exactly that right now. So fucking stupid.

02:43:08.670 --> 02:43:14.470
<v Sam>So, of course, the the Harris campaign is saying, you know, they the absentee

02:43:14.470 --> 02:43:17.370
<v Sam>ballots that are coming going to come in over the next few days are going to

02:43:17.370 --> 02:43:20.070
<v Sam>turn things around. Blah, blah, blah. We'll see. We'll see.

02:43:20.070 --> 02:43:23.950
<v Ivan>What is biden's to-do list probably going to try to do some executive actions

02:43:23.950 --> 02:43:27.690
<v Ivan>on certain things i'm sure to try to start make things difficult in a certain

02:43:27.690 --> 02:43:31.370
<v Ivan>way but i don't know who's going to stop trump right now basically when he's

02:43:31.370 --> 02:43:35.950
<v Ivan>got the courts the house and the senate all on on his side to to do whatever

02:43:35.950 --> 02:43:38.870
<v Ivan>the fuck he wants yeah there's no so um and.

02:43:38.870 --> 02:43:44.910
<v Sam>And and as we've said before none of the people who acted as guardrails in the

02:43:44.910 --> 02:43:46.190
<v Sam>trump first term will be there.

02:43:46.190 --> 02:43:47.430
<v Ivan>Are there there.

02:43:47.430 --> 02:43:55.390
<v Sam>Will the entire staffing of the administration will be in 100% based on loyalty and loyalty only.

02:43:55.810 --> 02:44:00.750
<v Sam>And the willingness to say, yes, sir, I'll do whatever you want regardless.

02:44:01.630 --> 02:44:05.030
<v Sam>And, and the court will back him up on anything too.

02:44:05.190 --> 02:44:09.390
<v Sam>Like they made it clear through their immunity thing that there's no,

02:44:09.390 --> 02:44:12.510
<v Sam>they don't believe there's no guard, no guard.

02:44:12.710 --> 02:44:16.350
<v Sam>They believe the president, she should have close to absolute power.

02:44:16.550 --> 02:44:20.150
<v Sam>They don't believe that Congress should have the ability to write laws that

02:44:20.150 --> 02:44:23.770
<v Sam>restrict the president in how they manage their official duties.

02:44:24.760 --> 02:44:30.180
<v Sam>And not that anyone, you know, not that like Congress would fight them over

02:44:30.180 --> 02:44:32.760
<v Sam>if you've got a Republican trifecta as well.

02:44:33.600 --> 02:44:37.440
<v Sam>So, yeah, it's just going to be, you know, they're going to do whatever they

02:44:37.440 --> 02:44:40.720
<v Sam>want for four years, at least, maybe longer.

02:44:41.140 --> 02:44:44.260
<v Sam>Because part of what they will do is,

02:44:44.380 --> 02:44:49.480
<v Sam>and this is typical of the illiberal democracies like Orban and Hungary,

02:44:49.620 --> 02:44:55.100
<v Sam>which they've specifically said they want to model off of, is they dismantle

02:44:55.100 --> 02:45:00.900
<v Sam>institutions that would enable a robust opposition and make it harder and harder

02:45:00.900 --> 02:45:04.480
<v Sam>for anybody to go against the power.

02:45:04.620 --> 02:45:10.780
<v Sam>That's how these work. It's not an outright like quote unquote dictatorship.

02:45:11.300 --> 02:45:17.940
<v Sam>It's a, you break down all the institutions of the state so there are no protections

02:45:17.940 --> 02:45:21.860
<v Sam>against the people in power doing whatever the hell they want.

02:45:21.920 --> 02:45:25.160
<v Sam>no guardrails that's what

02:45:25.160 --> 02:45:29.240
<v Sam>the deep state is for and yeah

02:45:29.240 --> 02:45:32.760
<v Sam>it's going to be a rough four years you will

02:45:32.760 --> 02:45:38.540
<v Sam>see you'll probably also see a lot of state versus federal battles in blue states

02:45:38.540 --> 02:45:45.800
<v Sam>like this one like washington state where the blue states try to maintain some

02:45:45.800 --> 02:45:50.920
<v Sam>level of what they want and the federal government fights against it and well.

02:45:50.920 --> 02:45:51.720
<v Ivan>Those fights are going to be.

02:45:51.720 --> 02:45:52.760
<v Sam>Horrific so.

02:45:52.760 --> 02:45:58.260
<v Ivan>Yeah could biden force netanyahu wrap things up probably he could.

02:45:58.260 --> 02:46:02.960
<v Sam>No no he would have some no there are no.

02:46:02.960 --> 02:46:10.180
<v Ivan>Actually there there are certain things where well okay hear me out here depends on you you kept.

02:46:10.180 --> 02:46:15.120
<v Sam>Talking about unchecked presidential power well biden has it right now yeah but.

02:46:15.120 --> 02:46:22.760
<v Ivan>Okay exactly so you know what you could fuck hell hell i'll fucking like put

02:46:22.760 --> 02:46:26.440
<v Ivan>an aircraft carrier outside tel aviv and fucking tell him i'm gonna start fucking

02:46:26.440 --> 02:46:28.920
<v Ivan>bombing the shit out of your military unless you stop right.

02:46:28.920 --> 02:46:31.120
<v Sam>Now but it's not gonna happen you know it's not gonna happen.

02:46:31.120 --> 02:46:36.340
<v Ivan>Well and i know biden is not gonna do it i'm saying that that could be i don't know i would.

02:46:36.340 --> 02:46:42.560
<v Sam>The the needle is now at 90 so the harris campaign is uh saying they're not

02:46:42.560 --> 02:46:44.420
<v Sam>conceding tonight there's too much outstanding.

02:46:44.760 --> 02:46:47.040
<v Sam>They're going to continue to wait to see how the votes come in.

02:46:48.220 --> 02:46:52.760
<v Sam>Harris's theory of the case in Pennsylvania is that they may be underperforming

02:46:52.760 --> 02:46:56.060
<v Sam>Biden elsewhere in the state, but they're overperforming in Philadelphia,

02:46:56.060 --> 02:46:58.640
<v Sam>and they're hoping that'll be enough to make up for it.

02:46:59.400 --> 02:47:02.400
<v Sam>I don't know. Seems like grasping at straws at this point.

02:47:03.200 --> 02:47:09.420
<v Ivan>There's just not enough votes left. The margins right now are 200,000 votes.

02:47:10.140 --> 02:47:11.560
<v Ivan>There's not enough votes left.

02:47:11.560 --> 02:47:15.820
<v Sam>So here's the quote from the Harris team.

02:47:17.490 --> 02:47:22.090
<v Sam>Let's see. I'll read you the whole memo. In Pennsylvania, we overperformed turnout

02:47:22.090 --> 02:47:26.550
<v Sam>expectations in Philadelphia and overperformed in our early vote expectations in Bucks County.

02:47:26.790 --> 02:47:30.430
<v Sam>We don't have election day results from Philadelphia, but we do know that we

02:47:30.430 --> 02:47:34.310
<v Sam>overperformed turnout expectations there and have seen especially high turnout

02:47:34.310 --> 02:47:37.010
<v Sam>in places with large non-white and student populations.

02:47:37.330 --> 02:47:40.490
<v Sam>We expect to see higher turnout in Philadelphia than in 2020.

02:47:40.950 --> 02:47:44.370
<v Sam>Outside of Philadelphia, we have limited data on turnout and support right now,

02:47:44.510 --> 02:47:46.670
<v Sam>but what we do have is tracking with our expectations.

02:47:47.130 --> 02:47:51.510
<v Sam>We are awaiting more results like everyone else and hope to get a closer read in the coming hours.

02:47:51.950 --> 02:47:55.130
<v Sam>In Michigan, we are awaiting a significant amount of votes to come in.

02:47:55.210 --> 02:47:58.090
<v Sam>The city of Detroit won't be reported out until roughly midnight,

02:47:58.090 --> 02:48:01.970
<v Sam>but we have seen strong turnout throughout early vote and election day there.

02:48:02.270 --> 02:48:05.750
<v Sam>Other results in Michigan are harder to parse since results are coming in more

02:48:05.750 --> 02:48:06.830
<v Sam>piecemeal than elsewhere.

02:48:07.930 --> 02:48:13.070
<v Ivan>They're right about that. I'm looking at indefinitely. There's like Wayne County

02:48:13.070 --> 02:48:14.530
<v Ivan>only reported 1% of the votes.

02:48:14.530 --> 02:48:18.010
<v Sam>In Wisconsin, we know there is a significant amount of vote remaining in Dade

02:48:18.010 --> 02:48:21.750
<v Sam>and Milwaukee counties, and we are seeing signs of strong performance in the

02:48:21.750 --> 02:48:23.710
<v Sam>Wow counties where we have partial data.

02:48:23.930 --> 02:48:29.010
<v Sam>We don't expect complete results from Wisconsin until tomorrow morning between 3 and 5 a.m.

02:48:29.810 --> 02:48:33.190
<v Sam>And then a summary of all this. While we continue to see data trickle in from

02:48:33.190 --> 02:48:37.570
<v Sam>the Sunbelt states, we have known all along that our clearest path to 270 electoral

02:48:37.570 --> 02:48:41.930
<v Sam>votes lies through the Blue Wall states, and we feel good about what we're seeing.

02:48:44.850 --> 02:48:48.850
<v Ivan>Not neither of them look good. There's just, I just don't.

02:48:50.980 --> 02:48:56.320
<v Ivan>There's a 200,000 vote gap in Pennsylvania. You might make it close.

02:48:56.620 --> 02:49:03.080
<v Ivan>You're not going to get over that. In Michigan right now, it's 120,000 vote gap.

02:49:03.400 --> 02:49:09.740
<v Ivan>I know it's only 36%, but that's also a massive gap.

02:49:10.300 --> 02:49:15.520
<v Ivan>And in Wisconsin, it's a 70,000 vote gap with 70% of the vote in.

02:49:16.260 --> 02:49:23.320
<v Ivan>I mean, it has the possibility that the New York Times is giving it right now.

02:49:23.540 --> 02:49:27.640
<v Sam>Yeah, that's about 10%. I think that's reasonable, given what we're seeing.

02:49:28.280 --> 02:49:30.880
<v Sam>Impossible, no. Likely, no.

02:49:31.160 --> 02:49:33.280
<v Ivan>Not likely.

02:49:35.680 --> 02:49:39.660
<v Sam>I will report at least my unopposed wife won re-election.

02:49:40.480 --> 02:49:44.460
<v Ivan>Wow. That's good news. It is. I'm not being facetious.

02:49:45.520 --> 02:49:48.380
<v Sam>I haven't actually checked the results since she was unopposed,

02:49:48.480 --> 02:49:54.220
<v Sam>but because there was no even registered write-in vote, even if there were write-in

02:49:54.220 --> 02:49:55.400
<v Sam>votes, they wouldn't be counted.

02:49:55.720 --> 02:50:03.800
<v Sam>So I just asked her, she's, she's at a, an election night party for her district.

02:50:03.940 --> 02:50:08.500
<v Sam>So I just asked her what the mood is there, given what everyone's seeing and

02:50:08.500 --> 02:50:10.440
<v Sam>how at least the local people were doing.

02:50:11.480 --> 02:50:18.660
<v Ivan>I mean, literally right now, every swing state is looking like it's going to Trump.

02:50:18.680 --> 02:50:21.420
<v Sam>Yep. I think we said, yeah.

02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:22.860
<v Ivan>I mean, every.

02:50:22.860 --> 02:50:28.800
<v Sam>Single— And by the way, going back to election graphs, if you looked at not

02:50:28.800 --> 02:50:34.660
<v Sam>the straight-up values, but my probabilistic thing,

02:50:34.880 --> 02:50:39.940
<v Sam>the median result was Trump by 86, which is what he would get if he won every swing state.

02:50:40.660 --> 02:50:42.900
<v Ivan>I mean literally every swing state.

02:50:42.900 --> 02:50:49.220
<v Sam>Yes yeah the the only ones that i was reading is even competitive in my final

02:50:49.220 --> 02:50:54.440
<v Sam>blog post were wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania and she's behind all of those.

02:50:54.440 --> 02:50:56.180
<v Ivan>She's behind on all three.

02:50:56.180 --> 02:51:01.440
<v Sam>I shouldn't say even competitive all seven were competitive they were all within

02:51:01.440 --> 02:51:02.840
<v Sam>the range of margin of error the.

02:51:02.840 --> 02:51:04.720
<v Ivan>Tightest one but the tight those were the.

02:51:04.720 --> 02:51:09.540
<v Sam>Yeah like if if you looked at like where not just where the current number is

02:51:09.540 --> 02:51:13.540
<v Sam>but where they'd been bouncing around those were the only three that spent a

02:51:13.540 --> 02:51:18.980
<v Sam>significant amount of time on the blue side of the line our senator can't well

02:51:18.980 --> 02:51:21.180
<v Sam>won re-election that wasn't really a surprise,

02:51:22.260 --> 02:51:24.200
<v Sam>and barb and and.

02:51:24.200 --> 02:51:30.140
<v Ivan>And and here's the crazy thing gallego is running far ahead of cary lake which

02:51:30.140 --> 02:51:31.660
<v Ivan>by the way this is what the data was.

02:51:31.660 --> 02:51:33.040
<v Sam>Showing yeah it was like.

02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:40.540
<v Ivan>I remember talking about how the hell you know but slotkin is losing against rogers in michigan,

02:51:42.600 --> 02:51:48.780
<v Ivan>montana she is crushing tester right now very few of the votes in but still,

02:51:50.120 --> 02:51:51.200
<v Ivan>Cormac is beating Casey.

02:51:51.540 --> 02:51:53.780
<v Sam>Yep. I mentioned that a while back and it hasn't changed.

02:51:54.740 --> 02:52:01.960
<v Ivan>No. And Texas cruises cruising by 10 points. It's not that close.

02:52:02.600 --> 02:52:06.100
<v Sam>Yeah. No, it looked close for a little bit, but no.

02:52:06.420 --> 02:52:07.740
<v Ivan>And Baldwin is losing too.

02:52:07.940 --> 02:52:11.900
<v Sam>I mentioned that a while ago too, and it's sticking. Yeah. Across the ball.

02:52:12.060 --> 02:52:13.740
<v Ivan>It's just updating right now where it is.

02:52:13.980 --> 02:52:14.120
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah.

02:52:14.260 --> 02:52:14.560
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:52:14.760 --> 02:52:18.980
<v Sam>No. Yeah. Like, so they're going to have a decent,

02:52:19.620 --> 02:52:23.620
<v Sam>i mean we all expected the most likely outcome was the republicans would take

02:52:23.620 --> 02:52:27.440
<v Sam>the senate because the democrats had to like be perfect across the board but

02:52:27.440 --> 02:52:30.900
<v Sam>they yeah they're picking up a decent number it's not just they're gonna take

02:52:30.900 --> 02:52:34.320
<v Sam>the senate they're gonna no they're gonna take it with a decent margins.

02:52:34.320 --> 02:52:37.400
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah and looking.

02:52:37.400 --> 02:52:42.320
<v Sam>At the house district first battleground house flip of the night per ap the

02:52:42.320 --> 02:52:45.960
<v Sam>democrat one in new york's new york's 22nd.

02:52:45.960 --> 02:52:52.020
<v Ivan>That's good i'm looking at the house and for whatever reason the house is not looking as bad.

02:52:52.020 --> 02:52:55.620
<v Sam>You think that yeah that would be a mute no.

02:52:55.620 --> 02:53:02.560
<v Ivan>That would be yeah i'm looking at it's not looking as as as bad no whatever

02:53:02.560 --> 02:53:04.840
<v Ivan>the fuck reason this fucking.

02:53:04.840 --> 02:53:07.840
<v Sam>Psychopathic goddamn election.

02:53:09.080 --> 02:53:16.460
<v Ivan>Yeah it isn't actually looking as bad no oh it's fucking ridiculous how.

02:53:21.820 --> 02:53:26.320
<v Sam>AP finally called North Carolina long time after GDHQ did,

02:53:29.010 --> 02:53:32.490
<v Sam>Let's see, are there any states I'm missing in your little log?

02:53:32.790 --> 02:53:35.390
<v Sam>Let's see. No Hawaii yet, of course.

02:53:36.730 --> 02:53:43.070
<v Sam>Nebraska, too, isn't called by anybody. New Mexico, not called yet.

02:53:43.970 --> 02:53:45.970
<v Sam>Minnesota, not called yet.

02:53:46.330 --> 02:53:50.670
<v Ivan>Not called, but yeah, she's way ahead. Yeah, she's taking Minnesota.

02:53:51.470 --> 02:53:54.890
<v Ivan>Okay, the margin in Michigan is narrowing for whatever reason.

02:53:56.450 --> 02:54:00.090
<v Sam>And Michigan is only at 39. but and.

02:54:00.090 --> 02:54:01.910
<v Ivan>Wisconsin is also narrowing too.

02:54:01.910 --> 02:54:03.870
<v Sam>Actually it's.

02:54:03.870 --> 02:54:04.910
<v Ivan>Narrowed a little in.

02:54:04.910 --> 02:54:08.230
<v Sam>Pennsylvania but not i was about to say that pennsylvania has narrowed a little

02:54:08.230 --> 02:54:12.310
<v Sam>bit too but probably not enough but it's narrow enough.

02:54:12.310 --> 02:54:18.070
<v Ivan>But it's narrowed but yeah i mean michigan has definitely narrowed a lot,

02:54:18.710 --> 02:54:26.170
<v Ivan>now wisconsin is narrowed by about 20 30 000 votes too so well i mean i'm guessing

02:54:26.170 --> 02:54:30.390
<v Ivan>there is a reason why because dvhq usually i mean we'll call them like.

02:54:30.390 --> 02:54:32.990
<v Sam>They're they're aggressive about i'm assuming.

02:54:32.990 --> 02:54:36.910
<v Ivan>They're yeah i mean there's gotta be a reason they haven't called them yet.

02:54:36.910 --> 02:54:40.190
<v Sam>Well i i mean i i i

02:54:40.190 --> 02:54:46.890
<v Sam>presume it is just the straightforward there's a lot of mail-in ballots that

02:54:46.890 --> 02:54:50.910
<v Sam>are going to be called over the night counted over the next few days yeah and

02:54:50.910 --> 02:54:56.730
<v Sam>they're and one of the things that is an unknown at this point is the breakdown

02:54:56.730 --> 02:54:59.930
<v Sam>of like of those ballots yeah we who.

02:54:59.930 --> 02:55:00.670
<v Ivan>The fuck knows.

02:55:00.670 --> 02:55:05.250
<v Sam>Because we don't know because the behavior is not the same as 2020 and is not

02:55:05.250 --> 02:55:11.130
<v Sam>the same as 2022 no so that's got to be the reason that's and that's what the

02:55:11.130 --> 02:55:17.010
<v Sam>harris campaign said uh they just new mexico for harris duh,

02:55:21.390 --> 02:55:25.470
<v Sam>For some reason, I was missing Louisiana and moving over. That was a long time

02:55:25.470 --> 02:55:28.610
<v Sam>ago. Okay, that's taken care of.

02:55:30.170 --> 02:55:33.010
<v Sam>Virginia for Harris, we already had that a long time ago.

02:55:33.450 --> 02:55:40.990
<v Sam>Okay, so this means the only solid places where their margins were over 10%

02:55:40.990 --> 02:55:43.870
<v Sam>and the averages that haven't been called yet are Hawaii,

02:55:43.890 --> 02:55:47.170
<v Sam>just because their polls are still open for who knows how many more hours,

02:55:47.170 --> 02:55:55.130
<v Sam>and nebraska cd1 which is undoubtedly just because they're lazy and haven't called it yet.

02:55:55.130 --> 02:55:56.570
<v Ivan>I'm guessing simply like trump.

02:55:56.570 --> 02:55:57.490
<v Sam>Hasn't declared.

02:55:57.490 --> 02:55:59.890
<v Ivan>Victory right now because he sees that that.

02:55:59.890 --> 02:56:02.930
<v Sam>Cd nebraska cd1 is actually really close

02:56:02.930 --> 02:56:06.210
<v Sam>right now oh fuck but

02:56:06.210 --> 02:56:09.070
<v Sam>not that it would make a difference to anything but it's actually

02:56:09.070 --> 02:56:12.170
<v Sam>this is one of the ones where i remember on their curmudgeon

02:56:12.170 --> 02:56:18.730
<v Sam>scored slack i said oh look at this 49 points might be a surprise harris win

02:56:18.730 --> 02:56:25.830
<v Sam>but trump is still ahead there just barely yeah and they have it rated as very

02:56:25.830 --> 02:56:31.590
<v Sam>likely r so i presume they have some knowledge of what parts i.

02:56:31.590 --> 02:56:37.370
<v Ivan>Mean and even with more votes in an arizona it's still only a couple of thousand votes so.

02:56:37.370 --> 02:56:44.330
<v Sam>We're going to have another generation of left-leaning people who in four years

02:56:44.330 --> 02:56:48.050
<v Sam>are going to be like don't make the mistake i made in 2024,

02:56:50.290 --> 02:56:55.930
<v Sam>the people who wanted purity and couldn't possibly vote for harris well.

02:56:55.930 --> 02:57:00.470
<v Ivan>But i look i i Look, on another point,

02:57:00.710 --> 02:57:05.830
<v Ivan>and, you know, see when the vote totals are finally tallied up,

02:57:05.950 --> 02:57:11.170
<v Ivan>but seeing how so many places turned redder, I mean…,

02:57:13.040 --> 02:57:17.800
<v Ivan>Obviously, there's a lot more of the MAGA people.

02:57:18.060 --> 02:57:23.780
<v Ivan>It's not just people that sat on the sidelines not looking like that.

02:57:23.940 --> 02:57:26.400
<v Sam>It's a big game. It's not just.

02:57:27.080 --> 02:57:27.560
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:57:27.780 --> 02:57:31.080
<v Sam>And like I said, even in the blue states, they've moved red.

02:57:31.620 --> 02:57:34.440
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

02:57:34.640 --> 02:57:39.900
<v Sam>I mean, I'm looking at the arrows start to show up for here in Washington and in California.

02:57:40.120 --> 02:57:41.940
<v Ivan>Yeah, I can see. I can see. they're.

02:57:41.940 --> 02:57:43.000
<v Sam>All trending red.

02:57:43.000 --> 02:57:46.200
<v Ivan>Yeah you know

02:57:46.200 --> 02:57:49.160
<v Ivan>i was talking the other day talking to

02:57:49.160 --> 02:57:51.820
<v Ivan>somebody saying what's wrong with the with the

02:57:51.820 --> 02:57:55.460
<v Ivan>u.s look what's wrong with the u.s look we voted the germans

02:57:55.460 --> 02:57:58.700
<v Ivan>had the biggest turnout of far-right

02:57:58.700 --> 02:58:03.580
<v Ivan>candidates that had in a long time it's a worldwide the italians voted for maloney

02:58:03.580 --> 02:58:10.620
<v Ivan>the french you know had even though you know they held on they had they had

02:58:10.620 --> 02:58:16.000
<v Ivan>a very big turnout on that side as well the reality is that the uk,

02:58:16.700 --> 02:58:20.780
<v Ivan>had to spend a significant period of damage

02:58:20.780 --> 02:58:24.280
<v Ivan>you know we we spent four years with trump but

02:58:24.280 --> 02:58:29.960
<v Ivan>the ruse spent like over a decade with the conservatives in in charge and it

02:58:29.960 --> 02:58:34.920
<v Ivan>wasn't really until after the entire wholesale destruction from from brexit

02:58:34.920 --> 02:58:38.780
<v Ivan>that it became painfully obvious to everybody that they had gotten completely

02:58:38.780 --> 02:58:41.260
<v Ivan>screwed over and they finally tossed them out in mass,

02:58:41.280 --> 02:58:45.580
<v Ivan>but it took them to reach rock bottom from that.

02:58:46.260 --> 02:58:53.220
<v Sam>I'll look at a look into our future. I just saw a post on Mastodon from Kim Schreitenberg.

02:58:53.440 --> 02:58:58.320
<v Sam>So, uh, going, going to what I was speaking about, about gains,

02:58:58.500 --> 02:59:02.220
<v Sam>even in blue areas, Trump made double digit gains in New York city,

02:59:02.700 --> 02:59:06.840
<v Sam>up 5% in Manhattan, up 10% in Queens, up 6% in Brooklyn. Uh,

02:59:07.730 --> 02:59:10.410
<v Sam>Sorry, what were you going to say? You looked like you saw something interesting.

02:59:11.070 --> 02:59:15.910
<v Ivan>No, I saw something, but the decision desk has some bad data on their thing

02:59:15.910 --> 02:59:22.130
<v Ivan>where it showed, like, Michigan that Harris is ahead, but they double counted something.

02:59:22.130 --> 02:59:25.230
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, that's clearly bullshit. I'm looking at it, too.

02:59:25.390 --> 02:59:27.130
<v Ivan>No, I'm like, what?

02:59:27.650 --> 02:59:27.950
<v Sam>Yeah.

02:59:28.410 --> 02:59:29.250
<v Ivan>And I'm like, no.

02:59:29.690 --> 02:59:32.770
<v Sam>It jumped to 60-30, Harris. No, no, no.

02:59:32.890 --> 02:59:35.850
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That's not true.

02:59:35.850 --> 02:59:40.250
<v Sam>You know, the other thing people are pointing out is once again,

02:59:41.250 --> 02:59:44.330
<v Sam>Trump, the gains with Latinos were real.

02:59:44.550 --> 02:59:49.050
<v Sam>Now you always point out differs by where they're from, but yeah,

02:59:49.550 --> 02:59:54.310
<v Sam>but they, you know, despite like the whole, oh, he burned a whole lot of bridges

02:59:54.310 --> 02:59:59.630
<v Sam>in that rally at MSG, apparently not as much as people liked him.

03:00:00.330 --> 03:00:02.150
<v Ivan>Okay. DDHQ fixed it.

03:00:03.870 --> 03:00:06.090
<v Sam>Oh and their their minnesota numbers went to.

03:00:06.090 --> 03:00:11.090
<v Ivan>Zero wait but but wait yeah but but wait but they're showing that the margin

03:00:11.090 --> 03:00:13.150
<v Ivan>in michigan is down to only 30 000 votes.

03:00:13.150 --> 03:00:17.810
<v Sam>But they've only got 42 percent in new york times has 71 percent in.

03:00:17.810 --> 03:00:19.850
<v Ivan>No for michigan sorry.

03:00:19.850 --> 03:00:23.070
<v Sam>Michigan yeah 43 percent at new york times too then.

03:00:23.070 --> 03:00:27.330
<v Ivan>Yeah they're they're at the same percent but they're showing only a margin of

03:00:27.330 --> 03:00:28.570
<v Ivan>30,000 votes in Michigan.

03:00:29.130 --> 03:00:37.070
<v Ivan>Actually, they got 75% for Wisconsin. They're showing 100,000 vote margin in Wisconsin.

03:00:37.410 --> 03:00:41.290
<v Ivan>But Michigan, I mean, am I reading this right?

03:00:41.730 --> 03:00:47.370
<v Ivan>Yeah. They're showing only the margin narrowed to 20,000 votes in Michigan.

03:00:47.570 --> 03:00:47.670
<v Sam>Right.

03:00:48.710 --> 03:00:50.290
<v Ivan>But Pennsylvania is not getting any tighter.

03:00:51.410 --> 03:00:56.350
<v Sam>Well, yeah. I mean, and it sounds like the Harris campaign isn't even expecting

03:00:56.350 --> 03:01:02.190
<v Sam>it to tonight they're like counting on mail ballots that aren't even going to get counted tonight,

03:01:02.890 --> 03:01:07.790
<v Sam>now even then like it seems like a really freaking tall order which is why we're

03:01:07.790 --> 03:01:13.470
<v Sam>like like new york times is down to nine percent now and i still think that

03:01:13.470 --> 03:01:17.690
<v Sam>sounds about right what's ddhq's number now uh.

03:01:17.690 --> 03:01:18.930
<v Ivan>It's close to that.

03:01:21.070 --> 03:01:25.710
<v Sam>12%. Oh, and we got main two and main one called.

03:01:27.070 --> 03:01:30.210
<v Sam>Main both in this expected direction.

03:01:30.910 --> 03:01:36.790
<v Sam>Main two Oh, wait, I already had main one. Main two is called now.

03:01:37.530 --> 03:01:40.870
<v Ivan>It's not like people voted for Jill Stein or something. I mean,

03:01:42.480 --> 03:01:49.940
<v Ivan>Jill Stein, I'm looking at Wisconsin, 9,000 votes. Bobby Kennedy got 12. Chase Oliver got seven.

03:01:50.580 --> 03:01:53.560
<v Sam>Much smaller than the margin between the candidates right now.

03:01:54.160 --> 03:01:58.420
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Michigan maybe.

03:01:59.220 --> 03:02:04.920
<v Ivan>Like, Jill Stein's got 18,000. Bobby Kennedy's got 11,000. Chase Oliver's got 20,000. That may be.

03:02:05.220 --> 03:02:12.280
<v Ivan>But not in Pennsylvania. It's like 200,000. Chase Oliver's got 27,000. Jill Stein got 27,000.

03:02:12.920 --> 03:02:15.360
<v Ivan>I mean, not, not enough to really.

03:02:16.140 --> 03:02:21.080
<v Ivan>Okay. There's an interesting one. Okay. So we couldn't get the abortion ban done.

03:02:22.160 --> 03:02:25.420
<v Ivan>Apparently in Missouri that they voted to end the state's abortion ban.

03:02:25.840 --> 03:02:30.440
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's just interesting.

03:02:30.640 --> 03:02:34.220
<v Sam>The, the, the swings in the last couple of weeks in confidence,

03:02:34.220 --> 03:02:39.400
<v Sam>like the reporting was two weeks ago, the Trump campaign was super, super confident.

03:02:40.140 --> 03:02:46.260
<v Sam>And the Harris campaign was shaky. One week ago, the Trump campaign was feeling

03:02:46.260 --> 03:02:50.620
<v Sam>despondent, and the Harris campaign was on top of the world.

03:02:50.840 --> 03:02:54.160
<v Sam>And now, obviously, it's the reverse again. Jeez.

03:02:55.360 --> 03:03:01.740
<v Ivan>Anything. Well, Arizona's abortion measure also passed. So that's two.

03:03:02.300 --> 03:03:04.200
<v Sam>It's just your state that failed.

03:03:04.860 --> 03:03:09.760
<v Ivan>Yeah. They did vote 57% for it, but the threshold was much higher.

03:03:10.160 --> 03:03:10.500
<v Sam>60%.

03:03:10.500 --> 03:03:14.740
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. But they did vote 57% for it.

03:03:15.220 --> 03:03:20.560
<v Ivan>I mean, it's weird. I mean, you got 57% for Trump, but 57% for the fucking abortion

03:03:20.560 --> 03:03:21.800
<v Ivan>measure, but still not enough.

03:03:22.580 --> 03:03:25.500
<v Ivan>A Republican won the governor in New Hampshire.

03:03:26.120 --> 03:03:27.580
<v Sam>That's normal for New Hampshire.

03:03:28.280 --> 03:03:30.760
<v Ivan>Yeah, I was remembering that.

03:03:31.040 --> 03:03:35.400
<v Sam>I mean, he's replacing Sununu or something, isn't he? Or was Sununu with that gap?

03:03:35.540 --> 03:03:38.580
<v Ivan>Yeah, I think it was Sununu. Yeah, I think it was Sununu.

03:03:40.000 --> 03:03:46.740
<v Ivan>coloradons voted uh also passed abortion rights this is not good my headphones

03:03:46.740 --> 03:03:48.640
<v Ivan>are about to die i don't know what the hell well.

03:03:48.640 --> 03:03:50.880
<v Sam>It's about midnight are you gonna tap out.

03:03:50.880 --> 03:03:57.720
<v Ivan>I i i can't sleep right now so i'll stay and stick around for a bit but i i

03:03:57.720 --> 03:04:00.980
<v Ivan>gotta have to switch i don't know what the hell i'm gonna do just.

03:04:00.980 --> 03:04:03.640
<v Sam>Put it on speaker see if it's a bad echo.

03:04:03.640 --> 03:04:05.900
<v Ivan>Okay well hang on okay Okay, well, let me try.

03:04:06.460 --> 03:04:08.060
<v Sam>You don't have any wired headphones around?

03:04:10.120 --> 03:04:13.440
<v Sam>Bub's recording has stopped due to media disconnect.

03:04:13.920 --> 03:04:14.820
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know.

03:04:15.260 --> 03:04:16.140
<v Sam>Disconnect and reconnect.

03:04:16.660 --> 03:04:18.640
<v Ivan>Yeah. Okay.

03:04:19.160 --> 03:04:19.600
<v Sam>Okay.

03:04:20.380 --> 03:04:24.060
<v Ivan>Well, the live feed seems to have stopped. No, it's gone.

03:04:25.080 --> 03:04:27.860
<v Sam>Hopefully, did it say your recording uploaded?

03:04:28.300 --> 03:04:29.260
<v Ivan>Yes, it did.

03:04:29.620 --> 03:04:29.820
<v Sam>Okay.

03:04:33.150 --> 03:04:36.550
<v Ivan>The Harris margin right now in Virginia has gone to four.

03:04:36.990 --> 03:04:43.670
<v Ivan>So, yeah, I mean, the projections were back up. Yeah, back up to what the.

03:04:44.090 --> 03:04:48.190
<v Sam>I mean, I expected just over five, but four is close.

03:04:48.350 --> 03:04:52.210
<v Ivan>It's still 88%. And so, yeah, I mean, it's trending towards what, you know.

03:04:52.730 --> 03:04:52.950
<v Sam>Yeah.

03:04:53.750 --> 03:04:54.630
<v Ivan>What was expected.

03:04:55.710 --> 03:04:57.230
<v Sam>Well, Harris wins Hawaii.

03:04:58.330 --> 03:05:01.030
<v Ivan>Wow. Another shocker.

03:05:01.830 --> 03:05:03.990
<v Sam>I'm surprised their polls are already closed.

03:05:05.790 --> 03:05:09.650
<v Ivan>You know, what time is it? Why right now? It's like five hours.

03:05:09.790 --> 03:05:11.310
<v Ivan>Well, it's seven, right?

03:05:11.450 --> 03:05:18.870
<v Sam>Yeah. Okay. That means the only area with a greater than 10% margin in the polls

03:05:18.870 --> 03:05:22.370
<v Sam>that is yet uncalled is Nebraska one.

03:05:23.470 --> 03:05:29.290
<v Ivan>I mean, Arizona is really like stupidly tight, but it doesn't matter.

03:05:29.930 --> 03:05:33.010
<v Ivan>i mean without fucking and.

03:05:33.010 --> 03:05:36.930
<v Sam>People keep calling out the only swing state that has been called so far is

03:05:36.930 --> 03:05:42.470
<v Sam>actually north carolina but the trends everywhere else are like okay yeah it hasn't been.

03:05:42.470 --> 03:05:47.550
<v Ivan>Called yet well decision desk called georgia and i trust their judgment on that

03:05:47.550 --> 03:05:49.670
<v Ivan>yeah yeah i'm not you know i.

03:05:49.670 --> 03:05:50.430
<v Sam>Agree i agree.

03:05:50.430 --> 03:05:54.210
<v Ivan>I i i trust their judgment it's so a the.

03:05:54.210 --> 03:05:57.610
<v Sam>Ap and the major networks haven't yet called georgia but.

03:05:57.610 --> 03:06:02.110
<v Ivan>But it's it's it's it's it's done yeah it's done it's done,

03:06:02.890 --> 03:06:05.610
<v Ivan>95 of the vote is in and the

03:06:05.610 --> 03:06:09.110
<v Ivan>margin is 200 plus thousand votes now and

03:06:09.110 --> 03:06:14.770
<v Ivan>i mean it's not not not happening pennsylvania might as well be done soon i

03:06:14.770 --> 03:06:20.450
<v Ivan>mean i well but but again that goes back the fucking mail-in ballots i don't

03:06:20.450 --> 03:06:25.250
<v Ivan>know how many of those there are and i and i'm guessing that DDHQ also has the

03:06:25.250 --> 03:06:27.470
<v Ivan>same doubt, which is why they're not calling it either.

03:06:27.770 --> 03:06:29.990
<v Ivan>Right. Because otherwise they would have called it like Georgia.

03:06:30.710 --> 03:06:30.830
<v Sam>Yep.

03:06:31.430 --> 03:06:35.630
<v Ivan>So they've got, that's gotta be their thinking. There's no other reason they

03:06:35.630 --> 03:06:38.270
<v Ivan>wouldn't have called it. I mean, they don't hold back.

03:06:39.090 --> 03:06:42.230
<v Ivan>And Michigan is back to like 60,000 votes.

03:06:43.270 --> 03:06:46.930
<v Ivan>And Wisconsin is like 80,000 votes.

03:06:47.050 --> 03:06:51.410
<v Ivan>But is there anything special about mail-in ballots, complete unofficial results

03:06:51.410 --> 03:06:53.090
<v Ivan>until the morning after the election?

03:06:53.570 --> 03:06:57.410
<v Ivan>In some places, absentee ballots are counted as central facility reported in large batches.

03:06:57.790 --> 03:07:05.770
<v Ivan>So that's also another thing with Wisconsin, where, shit, he had a lot of late ballots too.

03:07:06.270 --> 03:07:12.130
<v Ivan>So I guess I have to, you know, I would be looking at it right now,

03:07:12.230 --> 03:07:14.770
<v Ivan>and I would have been, like I said, with other states, fuck it, whatever.

03:07:14.990 --> 03:07:20.850
<v Ivan>But I know that DDHQ, if they thought it was so in the bag, they would have

03:07:20.850 --> 03:07:23.770
<v Ivan>pulled the trigger on it, and they haven't. So obviously they,

03:07:23.870 --> 03:07:25.990
<v Ivan>and they do know something that we don't.

03:07:26.190 --> 03:07:26.890
<v Sam>Yes. Yes.

03:07:28.160 --> 03:07:33.940
<v Ivan>So, oh, I just realized it's funny. I got it. Where am I?

03:07:35.560 --> 03:07:43.500
<v Ivan>Why am I? Do you have the sound on or what? What is that? You have the TV sound over there.

03:07:43.600 --> 03:07:44.840
<v Sam>Yeah, that's TV sound over here.

03:07:44.980 --> 03:07:47.160
<v Ivan>I'm like wondering where the fuck is that sound coming from?

03:07:47.380 --> 03:07:49.320
<v Sam>I don't have it that loud. I have it so I can.

03:07:49.420 --> 03:07:53.140
<v Ivan>No, no, no. But that's the thing. So I was like wondering, do I have like something

03:07:53.140 --> 03:07:55.560
<v Ivan>like very faint going on around here?

03:07:56.480 --> 03:08:03.440
<v Sam>Not that it's very much, but just to say, both New York Times and DDDHQ have

03:08:03.440 --> 03:08:08.360
<v Sam>moved slightly back on their needles from where they were a few minutes ago.

03:08:08.520 --> 03:08:09.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm seeing that.

03:08:10.760 --> 03:08:15.700
<v Sam>Slightly. Well, like, instead of a 10% chance.

03:08:15.760 --> 03:08:21.560
<v Ivan>A 12% chance. Again, there's something they're seeing that we're not. Okay?

03:08:22.540 --> 03:08:25.160
<v Ivan>I mean, there is something they are seeing that we're not.

03:08:28.340 --> 03:08:33.140
<v Ivan>I mean and also with Arizona look most okay so,

03:08:34.160 --> 03:08:43.420
<v Ivan>Arizona 7,000 vote margin most voters cast ballots by mail full tabulation takes 10 to 13 days so,

03:08:44.500 --> 03:08:47.480
<v Ivan>that's you know up in the air.

03:08:47.480 --> 03:08:49.240
<v Sam>I don't even have that set up a plug.

03:08:49.240 --> 03:08:56.460
<v Ivan>Nevada they haven't released anything so we don't know about that but And the

03:08:56.460 --> 03:09:03.860
<v Ivan>thing is that if you look at, and I, and I, you see, let's see Georgia, for example, right?

03:09:04.260 --> 03:09:08.220
<v Ivan>If you look at the needle, how Georgia is showing at New York times,

03:09:08.660 --> 03:09:12.580
<v Ivan>look at Georgia, it's flat pinned to R. Okay.

03:09:12.840 --> 03:09:16.100
<v Ivan>All right. Even though they haven't called it, it's flat pinned to R. All right. Okay.

03:09:16.440 --> 03:09:21.500
<v Ivan>But look at the PA, Michigan and Wisconsin ones. They're just. Yeah.

03:09:21.560 --> 03:09:23.460
<v Sam>The margin is close to the same.

03:09:23.820 --> 03:09:26.620
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, they're very tiny.

03:09:27.000 --> 03:09:31.960
<v Sam>Well, presumably it's all about knowing which districts have yet to report.

03:09:32.240 --> 03:09:36.200
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, and they know that and they know how many ballots are coming in and

03:09:36.200 --> 03:09:38.040
<v Ivan>what the potential margin of those are.

03:09:38.260 --> 03:09:41.500
<v Ivan>And so, which is why they can't call it.

03:09:42.800 --> 03:09:47.140
<v Ivan>Because it's enough to move the needle, so to speak. Fuck.

03:09:48.020 --> 03:09:53.580
<v Ivan>You know, at least it's not Florida that did, as everybody like on pins and

03:09:53.580 --> 03:09:56.080
<v Ivan>needles. Although I wish it was.

03:09:57.160 --> 03:10:01.940
<v Ivan>I mean, we really had a lot of MAGA people move into the state.

03:10:02.180 --> 03:10:07.440
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just, they really came from other places in the last five years.

03:10:07.700 --> 03:10:10.420
<v Ivan>I mean, it's just crazy.

03:10:11.140 --> 03:10:19.120
<v Ivan>Well, the incumbent party candidate won the Puerto Rico gubernatorial election. Okay.

03:10:20.360 --> 03:10:29.220
<v Ivan>The 39% of the vote. The second place came this candidate that he is for independence,

03:10:29.220 --> 03:10:33.440
<v Ivan>but he did a coalition with another party that isn't for independence to try to beat them.

03:10:33.620 --> 03:10:38.160
<v Ivan>But they came in second at 32%. The party that advocates the current status,

03:10:38.320 --> 03:10:43.840
<v Ivan>they came in third at 21%. So, yeah, they got that.

03:10:44.080 --> 03:10:46.900
<v Ivan>Now, I'm going to see something interesting.

03:10:47.280 --> 03:10:57.240
<v Ivan>Apparently, they also pulled the people on a symbolic presidential vote to see what they voted for.

03:10:57.400 --> 03:11:00.180
<v Ivan>I'm very curious to see what the vote was. Okay.

03:11:00.940 --> 03:11:07.940
<v Ivan>Puerto Rico, the symbolic vote, 73% for Harris, 26% for Trump.

03:11:08.700 --> 03:11:13.520
<v Sam>By the way, alert just hit. The Republicans are officially called in enough

03:11:13.520 --> 03:11:14.520
<v Sam>states to take the Senate.

03:11:15.060 --> 03:11:16.780
<v Ivan>Oh, well, I already said that.

03:11:17.020 --> 03:11:22.260
<v Sam>We already said this like an hour ago, but it's like the alert just came across the wire.

03:11:23.140 --> 03:11:24.280
<v Ivan>Fucking slow people.

03:11:25.980 --> 03:11:32.040
<v Sam>Yeah. So, you know, this goes back to like when the Democrats had the trifecta

03:11:32.040 --> 03:11:35.260
<v Sam>a couple years back, they needed to be aggressive.

03:11:36.000 --> 03:11:42.100
<v Sam>They needed to like kill the filibuster, make states, expand the court, all that kind of stuff.

03:11:43.230 --> 03:11:48.230
<v Sam>Okay, Bruce has another question. Could COVID migrations have affected the political map?

03:11:48.550 --> 03:11:51.570
<v Sam>North Carolina, Georgia, more red because of a migration.

03:11:51.570 --> 03:11:55.570
<v Ivan>I don't think so much Georgia and North Carolina. I mean, Georgia and North

03:11:55.570 --> 03:11:58.710
<v Ivan>Carolina got tighter, I would say, but Florida for sure.

03:11:58.930 --> 03:12:04.590
<v Ivan>There is just, you know, we've had so many incoming migrations that there is

03:12:04.590 --> 03:12:11.950
<v Ivan>no other way that the state flipped that hard, you know, in that direction without

03:12:11.950 --> 03:12:13.490
<v Ivan>those incoming migrations.

03:12:13.490 --> 03:12:19.850
<v Ivan>Because we really, really had, during COVID, and with a lot of people,

03:12:20.030 --> 03:12:24.550
<v Ivan>and I will add also a lot of people that decided to work remotely,

03:12:24.550 --> 03:12:28.430
<v Ivan>that happened to be Republican-leaning, for the most part.

03:12:28.930 --> 03:12:32.650
<v Ivan>You know, no state income taxes, no whatever, whatnot.

03:12:33.250 --> 03:12:38.630
<v Ivan>You had all those things. And that, you know, basically a lot of people,

03:12:39.130 --> 03:12:43.250
<v Ivan>hedge funds, other things, whatever, they moved here. Okay?

03:12:44.730 --> 03:12:51.090
<v Ivan>And so, yeah, I mean, I do think that that definitely is something that had done that.

03:12:51.230 --> 03:12:59.850
<v Ivan>But even though Georgia and North Carolina are a little bit tighter, not by that much.

03:13:01.870 --> 03:13:05.510
<v Ivan>It's not the way that it's in Florida.

03:13:05.950 --> 03:13:10.390
<v Ivan>I mean, Florida, the last time, the margin was five, six points.

03:13:10.570 --> 03:13:13.390
<v Ivan>This is 13 points right now.

03:13:13.970 --> 03:13:16.970
<v Ivan>This is, you know, it was six points the last time around.

03:13:17.450 --> 03:13:23.750
<v Ivan>We went from two points with Hillary, six points in 2020 to 13.

03:13:24.030 --> 03:13:27.970
<v Ivan>Now that's, that's, that's just, that's a vicious move.

03:13:28.130 --> 03:13:31.710
<v Ivan>That's, you know, Georgia and North Carolina, you know, they,

03:13:31.930 --> 03:13:35.250
<v Ivan>they moved maybe a point or two, but that's it.

03:13:35.450 --> 03:13:41.170
<v Ivan>So, so no, they, they, I mean, they, you know, North Carolina Democrats have

03:13:41.170 --> 03:13:46.330
<v Ivan>never won Georgia. Unfortunately, they won in 2020 once, but they hadn't won it before.

03:13:47.630 --> 03:13:58.950
<v Ivan>Obama had won Florida in 2012, but it's gone from an Obama won in 08, Obama won in 2012,

03:13:59.530 --> 03:14:04.770
<v Ivan>but Hillary lost by a narrow margin, and then that just accelerated into 2020 and 2024.

03:14:07.430 --> 03:14:12.810
<v Sam>So Bruce wants, Bruce also said North Carolina, Georgia close, but more red than 20.

03:14:13.270 --> 03:14:17.850
<v Sam>And Bruce wants to know, is the left coast more blue now than,

03:14:17.850 --> 03:14:20.330
<v Sam>than 20? Let's look at the map.

03:14:20.830 --> 03:14:25.410
<v Sam>No, all three West coast states got redder than 2020.

03:14:25.830 --> 03:14:30.350
<v Sam>I'll put the link back in the, in the chat for the, the thing,

03:14:30.430 --> 03:14:34.110
<v Sam>but there's practically no place in the country so far.

03:14:34.330 --> 03:14:36.410
<v Sam>No full state in the country.

03:14:36.410 --> 03:14:39.590
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm looking at the election shift map, and it's across the board.

03:14:39.690 --> 03:14:44.590
<v Sam>It's across the board, redder everywhere. I mean, they're scattered blue arrows,

03:14:44.790 --> 03:14:49.910
<v Sam>but almost every place has moved redder than it was in 2020.

03:14:51.030 --> 03:14:57.810
<v Sam>I mean, and this is the bottom line summary of the race is Harris underperformed

03:14:57.810 --> 03:15:00.630
<v Sam>Biden in 2020, and Biden barely won.

03:15:00.630 --> 03:15:05.610
<v Sam>And this is like, I keep going back to that tipping point chart comparison I

03:15:05.610 --> 03:15:10.590
<v Sam>had on election graphs over and over showing 2024 versus 2020 versus 2016.

03:15:10.990 --> 03:15:17.490
<v Sam>There was consistently that Donald Trump was doing better this time around than

03:15:17.490 --> 03:15:19.450
<v Sam>either of his two previous runs.

03:15:19.450 --> 03:15:27.570
<v Sam>And the only way to square that situation with the reality is,

03:15:27.750 --> 03:15:34.770
<v Sam>well, the only way to square that was a possible Harris win was the polling

03:15:34.770 --> 03:15:37.390
<v Sam>error at the end was different.

03:15:37.390 --> 03:15:41.590
<v Sam>Like the polling underestimated him and maybe this time it would underestimate

03:15:41.590 --> 03:15:43.970
<v Sam>her without a polling error.

03:15:44.350 --> 03:15:50.790
<v Sam>Nope. You know, it's that picture of the race where Harris was running behind

03:15:50.790 --> 03:15:56.870
<v Sam>both the paces of Clinton and of Biden was accurate, was accurate.

03:15:57.050 --> 03:16:03.630
<v Sam>Now, in terms of comparing to Biden, Biden was also before he dropped out way

03:16:03.630 --> 03:16:06.550
<v Sam>behind that his pace for four years ago.

03:16:06.550 --> 03:16:08.910
<v Ivan>Right yeah and.

03:16:08.910 --> 03:16:12.190
<v Sam>People have said like look there are lots of headwinds like despite the guy

03:16:12.190 --> 03:16:18.450
<v Sam>with the keys there were a lot of headwinds in terms of you know the economic

03:16:18.450 --> 03:16:21.490
<v Sam>situation and some other stuff even though the economy was theoretically doing

03:16:21.490 --> 03:16:28.010
<v Sam>well like repeatedly people were people were saying over and over in polls they didn't feel like it.

03:16:28.010 --> 03:16:30.950
<v Ivan>But look look look again facts don't matter look

03:16:30.950 --> 03:16:33.830
<v Ivan>facts don't matter it's all about feeling it's it's it's it's all

03:16:33.830 --> 03:16:38.950
<v Ivan>listen it's all about what what the messaging was that people people believed

03:16:38.950 --> 03:16:44.110
<v Ivan>the message okay you know it's like i said when you look to the polls you you

03:16:44.110 --> 03:16:47.510
<v Ivan>pull the people 70 percent of them say they're doing great better than ever

03:16:47.510 --> 03:16:53.070
<v Ivan>and then those same people say that the country's doing like shit that means that that you know it,

03:16:54.060 --> 03:17:01.680
<v Ivan>As has been shown by other, how do I say other propaganda, other people that

03:17:01.680 --> 03:17:07.860
<v Ivan>have used propaganda widely against, you know, to win support and propaganda works.

03:17:08.000 --> 03:17:11.660
<v Ivan>I mean, you, you just lie through your teeth and there's a lot of people that

03:17:11.660 --> 03:17:13.800
<v Ivan>if you create the lie, that really fits the narrative.

03:17:14.020 --> 03:17:19.520
<v Sam>Well, and this is, this is one thing that specifically Trump broke the taboo against.

03:17:19.520 --> 03:17:23.680
<v Sam>I mean, like, it used to be that Republican, Democrat alike,

03:17:23.680 --> 03:17:31.000
<v Sam>there was a modicum of you had to base your arguments in truth in some way.

03:17:31.480 --> 03:17:32.080
<v Ivan>Some way, yeah.

03:17:32.180 --> 03:17:34.820
<v Sam>Trump proved that that was completely unnecessary.

03:17:35.280 --> 03:17:35.720
<v Ivan>Yep.

03:17:35.880 --> 03:17:39.380
<v Sam>You could say whatever the hell you wanted, repeat it over and over again,

03:17:39.480 --> 03:17:40.320
<v Sam>and people would believe it.

03:17:40.320 --> 03:17:45.820
<v Ivan>And people would buy it. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. By the way, DDHQ has moved out the other way to 8%.

03:17:46.480 --> 03:17:47.740
<v Sam>Okay. Yep.

03:17:47.740 --> 03:17:53.480
<v Ivan>But still haven't called but still haven't called any of them right um they've

03:17:53.480 --> 03:17:56.280
<v Ivan>got rich rich rich says the economy.

03:17:56.280 --> 03:17:57.640
<v Sam>Is going to be a shit show by the way.

03:17:58.360 --> 03:18:03.880
<v Ivan>Yeah i i i i do expect at some point that he is going to cause a significant

03:18:03.880 --> 03:18:07.400
<v Ivan>recession because a lot of the things that he has proposed every economist is

03:18:07.400 --> 03:18:09.340
<v Ivan>analyst analyze do you think he's actually.

03:18:09.340 --> 03:18:11.660
<v Sam>Going to do all the tariff stuff he said he was going to do.

03:18:12.340 --> 03:18:16.360
<v Ivan>It's tough to tough to know with him i don't know Because part of.

03:18:16.360 --> 03:18:20.000
<v Sam>His theory of the case was a lot of that is under presidential power that he

03:18:20.000 --> 03:18:21.600
<v Sam>doesn't even need congressional authorization.

03:18:21.760 --> 03:18:23.900
<v Ivan>Well, he already did. He already imposed tariffs.

03:18:24.060 --> 03:18:27.420
<v Sam>He did a bunch, right? Like he wants to do like much, much more.

03:18:28.680 --> 03:18:35.640
<v Ivan>But, but look, as we have known before, you know, it's all about the grift. So I don't know.

03:18:36.000 --> 03:18:37.940
<v Sam>Oh, Nebraska too, officially called.

03:18:38.660 --> 03:18:41.860
<v Ivan>So I don't know. Will he? I don't know.

03:18:42.380 --> 03:18:45.500
<v Ivan>I mean, who knows with him what he's really going to do.

03:18:45.860 --> 03:18:53.960
<v Ivan>So I see on New York times, Wisconsin at 78% of votes in, and it's a margin

03:18:53.960 --> 03:18:56.120
<v Ivan>of about a hundred thousand votes. Okay.

03:18:56.780 --> 03:18:57.100
<v Sam>Yeah.

03:18:57.100 --> 03:19:04.140
<v Ivan>I'm looking at DDHQ they've got a little bit more of the votes reported and

03:19:04.140 --> 03:19:06.900
<v Ivan>they actually have about the same margin there are about 100,000 I'm just trying

03:19:06.900 --> 03:19:09.000
<v Ivan>to compare what they are both showing,

03:19:10.260 --> 03:19:15.980
<v Ivan>Michigan DDHQ has more votes in than New York Times they got 55% of the vote

03:19:15.980 --> 03:19:19.960
<v Ivan>they're showing a margin of about 70,000 votes in Michigan okay,

03:19:21.960 --> 03:19:26.820
<v Ivan>New York Times has 52% in they're now showing a margin of about,

03:19:29.200 --> 03:19:33.500
<v Ivan>85,000. It's a little bit wider. Okay. The issues margins are narrower.

03:19:34.400 --> 03:19:39.560
<v Ivan>Let's see. Pennsylvania, 87% of the votes in. Margin now is,

03:19:39.560 --> 03:19:41.640
<v Ivan>it's narrowed down to 170,000.

03:19:42.040 --> 03:19:43.080
<v Sam>That's still a lot.

03:19:43.580 --> 03:19:49.500
<v Ivan>That's still a lot. Still a lot. DDHQ has basically around the same number.

03:19:49.640 --> 03:19:54.540
<v Ivan>84% in, 170,000 votes. 6 million counted.

03:19:56.780 --> 03:20:01.500
<v Ivan>But again, neither of them have called it.

03:20:02.840 --> 03:20:08.020
<v Ivan>I mean, I would expect, I mean, I see that, I mean, I mean, the issue obviously

03:20:08.020 --> 03:20:12.480
<v Ivan>feels it's trending towards that, but this has got it at 8% chance,

03:20:12.600 --> 03:20:16.260
<v Ivan>but obviously they don't feel comfortable with saying it's not.

03:20:16.260 --> 03:20:21.100
<v Sam>Yeah, I see I see someone on Mastodon saying, hey, I remember in 2020 going

03:20:21.100 --> 03:20:24.380
<v Sam>to bed with all things pointing towards Trump and Biden still won.

03:20:24.840 --> 03:20:30.420
<v Sam>But remind me, because I'm having trouble remembering, like it was looking not

03:20:30.420 --> 03:20:34.280
<v Sam>great for Biden at this time four years ago, but not this bad.

03:20:35.680 --> 03:20:38.540
<v Ivan>I, I, I, I.

03:20:39.540 --> 03:20:43.980
<v Ivan>It was looking bad. I just don't remember how exactly bad it looked.

03:20:44.600 --> 03:20:49.120
<v Ivan>but it looked better because that

03:20:49.120 --> 03:20:52.760
<v Ivan>night they had called arizona for him so i

03:20:52.760 --> 03:20:56.000
<v Ivan>think that that definitely was uh

03:20:56.000 --> 03:21:03.160
<v Ivan>what was was different and georgia was not called i mean i know most haven't

03:21:03.160 --> 03:21:07.220
<v Ivan>called it but ddhq hadn't called it now they haven't called they they called

03:21:07.220 --> 03:21:10.820
<v Ivan>it and i'm pretty sure that they're they're right i looked at the numbers i

03:21:10.820 --> 03:21:15.100
<v Ivan>mean new york times hasn't called it but I mean, they got, I mean, Trump's got George.

03:21:15.380 --> 03:21:18.740
<v Sam>We got Nebraska one called finally by DDHQ.

03:21:18.960 --> 03:21:26.960
<v Sam>So this means we now have all of the states, all of the states and congressional

03:21:26.960 --> 03:21:30.440
<v Sam>districts with margins over 10% have now officially been called.

03:21:30.840 --> 03:21:34.280
<v Sam>What's left uncalled officially.

03:21:34.620 --> 03:21:37.800
<v Sam>Minnesota has not been called. Wisconsin has not been called.

03:21:37.800 --> 03:21:44.140
<v Sam>michigan pennsylvania georgia nevada arizona and alaska that's all that's left uncalled.

03:21:44.140 --> 03:21:50.340
<v Ivan>The margin has narrowed to 100 you know somewhere around 150 000 votes 170 000

03:21:50.340 --> 03:21:51.900
<v Ivan>votes depending on pennsylvania but it's not,

03:21:53.450 --> 03:21:56.690
<v Ivan>but i'm looking at yeah mich

03:21:56.690 --> 03:21:59.890
<v Ivan>the one michigan has i mean new york

03:21:59.890 --> 03:22:02.790
<v Ivan>times has a lot wider a margin

03:22:02.790 --> 03:22:08.490
<v Ivan>than than ddhq but they are behind ddhq in terms of how much vote they're they've

03:22:08.490 --> 03:22:13.350
<v Ivan>tabulated they're only at 50 now they've moved up to 54 they were 52 now they

03:22:13.350 --> 03:22:21.570
<v Ivan>moved up to 54 ddhq's at 56 yeah so bruce.

03:22:21.570 --> 03:22:26.170
<v Sam>Says gotta go thanks for having this thank you for joining us Bruce it's good to.

03:22:26.170 --> 03:22:28.610
<v Ivan>Have you I think.

03:22:28.610 --> 03:22:34.350
<v Sam>That leaves you me and Richard thank you also Richard for joining us I am cuckoo too.

03:22:35.410 --> 03:22:36.610
<v Ivan>Well look,

03:22:38.670 --> 03:22:47.990
<v Ivan>Richard just said he's going crazy look I mean over what I mean I mean are you going crazy because,

03:22:48.610 --> 03:22:55.990
<v Ivan>Trump won yeah there are very likely one maybe that's.

03:22:58.610 --> 03:23:02.090
<v Sam>Waiting on PA numbers that we're supposed to drop around midnight.

03:23:02.090 --> 03:23:15.750
<v Ivan>Yeah well I I mean unfortunately I'm in my I even though there is a narrow very narrow,

03:23:17.230 --> 03:23:22.070
<v Ivan>path to a victory perhaps less than 10%.

03:23:22.070 --> 03:23:25.330
<v Ivan>I don't see it likely right now at this point.

03:23:25.550 --> 03:23:28.830
<v Ivan>At this point, I am at the point that I am accepting.

03:23:29.270 --> 03:23:37.390
<v Ivan>I have bargained into my acceptance of the fact the people of our nation have

03:23:37.390 --> 03:23:42.670
<v Ivan>duly democratically decided that this is the country that they want.

03:23:43.450 --> 03:23:44.010
<v Sam>Yep.

03:23:45.130 --> 03:23:46.850
<v Ivan>And so that's...

03:23:46.850 --> 03:23:49.510
<v Sam>So it's... It's...

03:23:49.850 --> 03:23:57.810
<v Ivan>Not it's not by it's not a cheat it's not whatever it's not uh that's what people voted for.

03:23:57.810 --> 03:24:02.250
<v Sam>Stupid electoral college but that's the rules everyone was playing under.

03:24:02.250 --> 03:24:07.410
<v Ivan>But like when it fucked the electoral college when i'm looking at that the majority

03:24:07.410 --> 03:24:12.610
<v Ivan>of people in the states of pennsylvania michigan and wisconsin yeah have decided

03:24:12.610 --> 03:24:17.210
<v Ivan>that this is what they want and florida well florida Your neighbors.

03:24:17.730 --> 03:24:20.570
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, I'm saying those because...

03:24:21.210 --> 03:24:22.910
<v Sam>Because those are the ones that make the difference. Yeah.

03:24:23.410 --> 03:24:25.650
<v Ivan>Those were the ones that really made the difference tonight.

03:24:26.010 --> 03:24:28.630
<v Ivan>I mean, nobody expected Florida. I mean, it would have been a miracle.

03:24:30.990 --> 03:24:37.350
<v Ivan>But that... It's not even my neighbors directly. You know? I saw in our county, Harris won.

03:24:37.710 --> 03:24:38.190
<v Sam>Right.

03:24:40.110 --> 03:24:46.090
<v Sam>So Richard says, I work alongside many mega folks, so I have been apprehensive for some time.

03:24:46.290 --> 03:24:51.750
<v Sam>The people of our nation apparently do not listen to anything he says. He doesn't mean that.

03:24:52.090 --> 03:24:59.910
<v Ivan>Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's like I mentioned what happened to the British leaving

03:24:59.910 --> 03:25:04.490
<v Ivan>the Tories running their country for so long until they completely jammed it into the ground.

03:25:05.690 --> 03:25:12.090
<v Ivan>And unfortunately, the people in this country, I mean, they let W did it, do it.

03:25:12.630 --> 03:25:16.650
<v Ivan>Then the Republicans decided that their way out of it was just to lie about

03:25:16.650 --> 03:25:20.770
<v Ivan>who did it, then blame Obama for not fixing it fast enough.

03:25:22.910 --> 03:25:26.690
<v Sam>Richard says, I'm literally the bottom of the barrel, Puerto Rican and Haitian.

03:25:26.690 --> 03:25:30.570
<v Ivan>Yeah well i know but i

03:25:30.570 --> 03:25:34.370
<v Ivan>mean we are i mean they they like

03:25:34.370 --> 03:25:37.250
<v Ivan>like like sam was saying we are

03:25:37.250 --> 03:25:44.510
<v Ivan>with a candidate that has succeeded in convincing all of these people through

03:25:44.510 --> 03:25:52.790
<v Ivan>a barrel load of full-throated lies and and you know he's figured out that propaganda

03:25:52.790 --> 03:25:54.450
<v Ivan>that works, and they'll believe it.

03:25:54.830 --> 03:25:58.110
<v Ivan>If he repeats it often enough with conviction, they'll believe it.

03:25:58.190 --> 03:26:05.910
<v Sam>Well, and as Richard said, also key to this is A, well, a few more keys to this.

03:26:07.010 --> 03:26:10.530
<v Sam>A, they don't often believe it. When he says the worst things,

03:26:10.690 --> 03:26:12.850
<v Sam>they still say, yeah, he says that.

03:26:12.910 --> 03:26:16.270
<v Sam>That's just him talking. He doesn't mean that. He's not going to do that for real.

03:26:16.270 --> 03:26:19.670
<v Sam>and whereas we tend to take him deadly

03:26:19.670 --> 03:26:22.810
<v Sam>seriously as in he

03:26:22.810 --> 03:26:25.730
<v Sam>may not he may or may not succeed and do it but he wants

03:26:25.730 --> 03:26:28.870
<v Sam>to do it he was stopped so many times

03:26:28.870 --> 03:26:32.070
<v Sam>from doing worse things in his first administration and those

03:26:32.070 --> 03:26:38.150
<v Sam>guardrails are all gone and second a lot of them haven't heard the stuff in

03:26:38.150 --> 03:26:45.450
<v Sam>the first place no you know that because their media ecosystem completely insulates

03:26:45.450 --> 03:26:51.570
<v Sam>them from the worst of what he does and says. So they haven't even heard it.

03:26:52.250 --> 03:26:55.130
<v Sam>They just think, you know, he's the one standing up for us.

03:26:55.550 --> 03:27:01.170
<v Sam>He says the things we think, the racist things we think, the sexist things we think. But yeah.

03:27:02.230 --> 03:27:05.590
<v Ivan>No, transphobic things we think, homophobic things we think,

03:27:06.230 --> 03:27:07.670
<v Ivan>xenophobic things we think.

03:27:08.920 --> 03:27:13.880
<v Sam>And so, I mean, the things that he has explicitly said over the last few weeks

03:27:13.880 --> 03:27:17.840
<v Sam>that he intends to do right away when he hits office are horrific.

03:27:18.620 --> 03:27:22.840
<v Sam>They're going to, if he even remotely succeeds in 10% of them,

03:27:23.040 --> 03:27:25.220
<v Sam>so many people are going to be hurt badly.

03:27:26.380 --> 03:27:28.980
<v Sam>And if he does the things he says he's going to do on the economy,

03:27:29.160 --> 03:27:31.140
<v Sam>he's going to tank the economy immediately too.

03:27:32.140 --> 03:27:37.160
<v Sam>So, you know, our best hope at this point is he doesn't actually do all the

03:27:37.160 --> 03:27:41.960
<v Sam>things he said he was going to do or once again he ends up you know surrounded

03:27:41.960 --> 03:27:44.720
<v Sam>by incompetence who can actually pull it off.

03:27:44.720 --> 03:27:48.900
<v Ivan>I'm not watching this fucking inauguration i i avoided watching the last one

03:27:48.900 --> 03:27:51.560
<v Ivan>i'm not fucking watching this one i don't.

03:27:51.560 --> 03:27:51.900
<v Sam>I mean.

03:27:51.900 --> 03:27:54.360
<v Ivan>I actually got forced into watching the last fucking.

03:27:54.360 --> 03:27:59.440
<v Sam>Inauguration i well you mean i was at an airport you mean trump's or not biden's

03:27:59.440 --> 03:28:02.880
<v Sam>i well and and look i presume biden's gonna attend i.

03:28:02.880 --> 03:28:03.960
<v Ivan>Presume biden will attend.

03:28:03.960 --> 03:28:10.800
<v Sam>Yep and harris yeah They're going to sit there and do their duty in a way that

03:28:10.800 --> 03:28:13.140
<v Sam>Donald Trump will not, would not.

03:28:13.180 --> 03:28:20.140
<v Sam>And I presume Donald Trump is going to treat them with complete disdain at that event too.

03:28:20.820 --> 03:28:22.380
<v Ivan>Mm-hmm. Yeah.

03:28:23.400 --> 03:28:29.720
<v Sam>Jon Stewart ended his live daily show tonight with, I just scrolled away. Hold on.

03:28:30.840 --> 03:28:36.140
<v Sam>I get it back. With, this is not the end. We have to continue to fight.

03:28:37.260 --> 03:28:38.180
<v Ivan>I'm tired, Sam.

03:28:39.300 --> 03:28:39.760
<v Sam>Yep.

03:28:40.500 --> 03:28:41.580
<v Ivan>And I'm very tired.

03:28:42.340 --> 03:28:48.480
<v Sam>Yeah. And I presume you mean existentially, not just because it's 1230.

03:28:48.880 --> 03:28:50.040
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly.

03:28:50.980 --> 03:28:57.740
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, it's depressing. Like, it's not going to be good.

03:28:58.380 --> 03:29:01.000
<v Ivan>Kathy mentioned that apparently somebody's trying to make money,

03:29:01.080 --> 03:29:04.140
<v Ivan>at least on this. So she's put into Slack that apparently, uh,

03:29:04.700 --> 03:29:07.600
<v Ivan>there was a call mat on CNN tonight. Apparently.

03:29:07.920 --> 03:29:11.980
<v Ivan>Yeah. I'm sure that that'll get some good.

03:29:12.100 --> 03:29:14.760
<v Sam>Good timing. Yeah.

03:29:14.980 --> 03:29:20.260
<v Ivan>Well, the AP, the AP just called New Mexico for Harris, according to something I just saw.

03:29:20.460 --> 03:29:22.900
<v Sam>They're a little slow too, but you know.

03:29:23.500 --> 03:29:26.600
<v Ivan>I can fuck you. The fuck?

03:29:27.600 --> 03:29:30.880
<v Sam>Uh, yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at all these.

03:29:31.320 --> 03:29:37.180
<v Sam>There's no substantial change in the situation in any of these states in the last hour.

03:29:37.720 --> 03:29:40.960
<v Ivan>No, no, nope.

03:29:44.970 --> 03:29:47.150
<v Ivan>What's that beeping? What do you got beeping over there?

03:29:47.270 --> 03:29:48.750
<v Sam>Nothing. Nothing exciting.

03:29:49.150 --> 03:29:50.070
<v Ivan>Nothing interesting?

03:29:50.350 --> 03:29:56.970
<v Sam>Nothing interesting. I'm thinking we might still get a call in Minnesota today.

03:29:57.650 --> 03:29:58.270
<v Ivan>Yeah.

03:29:58.650 --> 03:30:00.510
<v Sam>I think they're...

03:30:01.670 --> 03:30:03.150
<v Ivan>I will say this.

03:30:05.090 --> 03:30:07.790
<v Sam>They're going to hold off on...

03:30:07.790 --> 03:30:11.750
<v Ivan>The margin in Georgia has narrowed

03:30:11.750 --> 03:30:18.630
<v Ivan>somehow a lot. is down now to about 140,000 votes, but not enough.

03:30:19.210 --> 03:30:21.550
<v Sam>Yeah, we're still talking 3%.

03:30:21.550 --> 03:30:27.310
<v Ivan>About 120,000 votes. I mean, there's 5% of the vote outstanding,

03:30:27.550 --> 03:30:33.750
<v Ivan>but 5% out of, what, 5-6 million votes?

03:30:34.210 --> 03:30:37.290
<v Sam>Well, this is why DDHQ is called that one.

03:30:37.630 --> 03:30:38.370
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know.

03:30:38.570 --> 03:30:44.890
<v Sam>I don't know why New York Times is being slow, but... Same with they're being

03:30:44.890 --> 03:30:46.530
<v Sam>slow with New Hampshire for some reason.

03:30:46.870 --> 03:30:52.570
<v Ivan>How many votes were in Pennsylvania last time around?

03:30:53.130 --> 03:30:54.970
<v Sam>The total votes? I don't know.

03:30:55.090 --> 03:30:58.650
<v Ivan>Yeah. I'll look that up. Let's take a look.

03:30:59.490 --> 03:31:06.030
<v Ivan>3. 6.7 million votes. Okay. 6.7 million.

03:31:06.630 --> 03:31:08.230
<v Ivan>We are at six.

03:31:08.870 --> 03:31:15.050
<v Ivan>so basically it's reasonable to expect yeah it's reasonable to expect another

03:31:15.050 --> 03:31:21.250
<v Ivan>700 800 000 more votes to count for pennsylvania yeah for pennsylvania that's

03:31:21.250 --> 03:31:26.270
<v Ivan>you know yeah that's a decent number but that's a decent number um so.

03:31:26.270 --> 03:31:30.810
<v Sam>You in order to think you would flip it though you need to have a good expectation

03:31:30.810 --> 03:31:32.930
<v Sam>that those are going to be predominantly d.

03:31:32.930 --> 03:31:37.790
<v Ivan>Or you just don't know what they are which is why you're not which is why you're

03:31:37.790 --> 03:31:40.850
<v Ivan>you're holding up on calling okay right well yeah,

03:31:41.710 --> 03:31:46.950
<v Ivan>so yeah because it is a it is a decent chunk of votes i i just i looked up the

03:31:46.950 --> 03:31:53.670
<v Ivan>number because yeah that's it's a lot michigan 2020 so then shall let's see

03:31:53.670 --> 03:31:55.950
<v Ivan>what how much let's see how many we got,

03:31:56.710 --> 03:31:59.190
<v Ivan>okay okay,

03:32:00.550 --> 03:32:10.070
<v Ivan>Michigan had about about 5.4 million votes okay so where are we now Michigan.

03:32:11.290 --> 03:32:15.970
<v Sam>Richard by the way says the American carnage speech will be like a fairy tale

03:32:15.970 --> 03:32:18.290
<v Sam>compared to the next inauguration that's.

03:32:18.290 --> 03:32:20.170
<v Ivan>What I yeah that's why I said I'm not watching the.

03:32:20.170 --> 03:32:25.390
<v Sam>I read the comments out loud because anybody just watching the video.

03:32:25.670 --> 03:32:27.090
<v Ivan>Oh yeah, sorry. Oh yeah.

03:32:27.170 --> 03:32:31.770
<v Sam>Or listening when I attach this to the end of our next podcast.

03:32:31.870 --> 03:32:35.630
<v Ivan>All right, Michigan. There are over 2 million votes to be counted.

03:32:36.810 --> 03:32:39.690
<v Ivan>right yeah holy shit yeah out.

03:32:39.690 --> 03:32:41.970
<v Sam>Of compared to three already in so.

03:32:41.970 --> 03:32:45.010
<v Ivan>Yeah so there's like two million votes to be counted.

03:32:45.010 --> 03:32:48.450
<v Sam>Which is why like 58 of votes.

03:32:48.450 --> 03:32:53.530
<v Ivan>And yeah which is why okay which that goes why the dhq hasn't called it okay

03:32:53.530 --> 03:32:57.650
<v Ivan>all right so because that's a lot of fucking votes and apparently there's a

03:32:57.650 --> 03:33:00.970
<v Ivan>lot of uncertainty of where they are okay so wisconsin let's see,

03:33:01.710 --> 03:33:05.770
<v Ivan>2.7 million counted right now. Let's see how much we got last election.

03:33:07.590 --> 03:33:08.110
<v Ivan>Okay.

03:33:10.490 --> 03:33:14.630
<v Ivan>3.2 million around there. 3.25 million.

03:33:15.030 --> 03:33:19.010
<v Ivan>How many we got in Wisconsin counted so far? 3.25, 3.25?

03:33:19.010 --> 03:33:20.910
<v Sam>About three. A little under three.

03:33:21.630 --> 03:33:24.050
<v Ivan>Well, no, I'm saying 2.7.

03:33:24.490 --> 03:33:27.110
<v Sam>Yeah, a little under three. That's what I said. 2.7.

03:33:28.250 --> 03:33:35.510
<v Ivan>So we got half a million votes in in wisconsin but really i mean in pennsylvania

03:33:35.510 --> 03:33:40.670
<v Ivan>michigan there's i mean pennsylvania is showing 89 but the reality is i guess

03:33:40.670 --> 03:33:42.170
<v Ivan>it's i don't know how they're doing.

03:33:42.170 --> 03:33:45.050
<v Sam>Well the thing is a lot of it's.

03:33:45.050 --> 03:33:48.130
<v Ivan>89 that percentage has always been a little bit tricky.

03:33:48.130 --> 03:33:52.690
<v Sam>Well it's often in the past it was often precincts reporting which isn't really

03:33:52.690 --> 03:33:56.410
<v Sam>right percent of votes but precincts reporting doesn't really make sense for

03:33:56.410 --> 03:34:01.990
<v Sam>mail-in ballots so it's it's a really rough estimate and like and they can guess

03:34:01.990 --> 03:34:06.730
<v Sam>what the total turnout will be but they won't know so right so that's.

03:34:06.730 --> 03:34:09.030
<v Ivan>Why yeah so so.

03:34:09.030 --> 03:34:13.590
<v Sam>So my i'm getting here's what i'm thinking i think we might get a call from

03:34:13.590 --> 03:34:18.350
<v Sam>minnesota tonight but they are not going to call arizona wisconsin michigan

03:34:18.350 --> 03:34:21.910
<v Sam>or pennsylvania tonight no i don't think I don't think anybody's going to call

03:34:21.910 --> 03:34:22.950
<v Sam>any of those states tonight.

03:34:23.150 --> 03:34:28.770
<v Ivan>No, and I see the amount of votes left over. Yeah, and I see the amount of leftover

03:34:28.770 --> 03:34:31.890
<v Ivan>votes, and that's why they're not calling it.

03:34:32.250 --> 03:34:34.930
<v Ivan>Because it's a lot of votes.

03:34:35.930 --> 03:34:39.430
<v Ivan>I mean, is it looking good for Harris to win, like I said?

03:34:39.510 --> 03:34:39.710
<v Sam>No.

03:34:39.830 --> 03:34:47.670
<v Ivan>No. But there's definitely a lot of fucking votes left, which is why they're not calling it.

03:34:47.990 --> 03:34:48.450
<v Sam>Right.

03:34:49.610 --> 03:34:55.530
<v Ivan>Fuck. And Arizona is not going to probably release any results right now.

03:34:57.330 --> 03:34:58.050
<v Ivan>So...

03:34:59.340 --> 03:35:00.840
<v Sam>I'll be back in just a minute.

03:35:00.840 --> 03:35:03.460
<v Ivan>Okay oh.

03:35:03.460 --> 03:35:06.480
<v Sam>Nbc is finally getting around to saying the senate's going republican.

03:35:06.480 --> 03:35:14.140
<v Ivan>Oh god well too jesus you know welcome to the party assholes uh harris.

03:35:14.140 --> 03:35:19.260
<v Sam>Not expected to speak at her thing in howard university today pictures of the

03:35:19.260 --> 03:35:20.980
<v Sam>crowd with everyone looking glum.

03:35:20.980 --> 03:35:29.120
<v Ivan>Oh so i i i richard i i know that you're very this is very upsetting uh but,

03:35:30.440 --> 03:35:35.080
<v Ivan>i don't you text richard texted me to see if i can say something that was comforting

03:35:35.080 --> 03:35:42.540
<v Ivan>in some way i don't i can uh i don't i don't really have there's.

03:35:42.540 --> 03:35:43.980
<v Sam>Nothing comforting to say right now,

03:35:46.300 --> 03:35:49.540
<v Sam>no harris's campaign chair is speaking at howard right now.

03:35:49.540 --> 03:35:52.480
<v Ivan>What i can what i can,

03:35:55.540 --> 03:35:59.100
<v Ivan>it's just not much that I can say that is positive.

03:35:59.320 --> 03:36:06.360
<v Ivan>I mean all I can say is that trying to think what it is John Stewart said the

03:36:06.360 --> 03:36:09.340
<v Ivan>fight's not over but I'm exhausted.

03:36:09.620 --> 03:36:15.160
<v Ivan>I think that the one thing is that just make sure to take care of yourself take

03:36:15.160 --> 03:36:18.080
<v Ivan>care of your families take care of your friends,

03:36:19.140 --> 03:36:26.040
<v Ivan>and do what you can just to make sure that you those around you are safe as

03:36:26.040 --> 03:36:28.980
<v Ivan>best as possible because unfortunately,

03:36:30.360 --> 03:36:34.480
<v Ivan>not and look especially we can control especially.

03:36:34.480 --> 03:36:40.000
<v Sam>For those in your life who are in minorities that will be endangered by this.

03:36:40.000 --> 03:36:42.160
<v Ivan>Yeah you.

03:36:42.160 --> 03:36:43.960
<v Sam>Know because,

03:36:47.000 --> 03:36:52.560
<v Sam>people's lives, I'm losing my voice. People's lives will be destroyed by this.

03:36:53.040 --> 03:36:53.520
<v Ivan>Yeah.

03:36:54.040 --> 03:37:00.460
<v Sam>You are already seeing it with people dying because of the abortion bans,

03:37:01.280 --> 03:37:03.980
<v Sam>but the way that they are,

03:37:05.490 --> 03:37:11.510
<v Sam>Cracking down on trans people, making it harder for gay people,

03:37:12.670 --> 03:37:17.790
<v Sam>making, you know, and despite the increases in minorities who apparently voted

03:37:17.790 --> 03:37:20.830
<v Sam>for Trump tonight, making it harder for all minorities.

03:37:21.050 --> 03:37:24.490
<v Ivan>I was trying to say something to make them feel better. You're not helping them.

03:37:24.730 --> 03:37:31.750
<v Sam>Yes, yes. Yes, yes. You're right. Take care of each other. That's what you were saying. Indeed.

03:37:32.030 --> 03:37:39.470
<v Ivan>Yes. um i mean that's the best we can do you know and it's not even a thing

03:37:39.470 --> 03:37:48.670
<v Ivan>oh yeah i don't know it's just that simple and like i was saying before i mean we've got a fucking,

03:37:49.390 --> 03:37:54.730
<v Ivan>surge of authoritarianism that is on around the fucking world.

03:37:56.550 --> 03:38:00.670
<v Sam>Yeah while i was gone richard had mentioned the courts being further packed

03:38:00.670 --> 03:38:04.770
<v Sam>hello Judge Cannon I would not be surprised in the slightest.

03:38:04.770 --> 03:38:08.150
<v Ivan>By Justice Cannon I know I thought.

03:38:08.150 --> 03:38:09.250
<v Sam>You were done reassuring.

03:38:09.250 --> 03:38:10.250
<v Ivan>People and now we can.

03:38:10.250 --> 03:38:11.250
<v Sam>Like slam people.

03:38:11.250 --> 03:38:15.710
<v Ivan>Again now we can go like oh yeah thumbs up no I'm not giving a fucking thumbs

03:38:15.710 --> 03:38:23.510
<v Ivan>up I'm giving this fucking finger where did you get my fucking thumbs up stupid computer thumbs up,

03:38:25.630 --> 03:38:27.110
<v Ivan>stupid fucking thing.

03:38:29.550 --> 03:38:34.290
<v Sam>New York Times up to 93 percent ddhq up to 94.

03:38:34.290 --> 03:38:37.370
<v Ivan>Well how.

03:38:37.370 --> 03:38:42.050
<v Sam>Did we call oh george has been called too so let me just move that over.

03:38:42.050 --> 03:38:51.010
<v Ivan>Oh yeah yeah finally yeah yeah post on that i'll globe and char one that i called

03:38:51.010 --> 03:38:53.170
<v Ivan>it at least this is so weird,

03:38:54.630 --> 03:38:58.970
<v Ivan>ddhq has the michigan margin with

03:38:58.970 --> 03:39:07.850
<v Ivan>64 in at 50 000 votes okay new york times with 62 percent reporting has them

03:39:07.850 --> 03:39:17.110
<v Ivan>at jesus over 200 000 votes swing so ddhq has it much tighter in michigan are they are they behind or.

03:39:17.110 --> 03:39:17.950
<v Sam>Ahead in their count.

03:39:17.950 --> 03:39:22.410
<v Ivan>They're ahead okay two point two percentage points So.

03:39:22.410 --> 03:39:26.410
<v Sam>Richard has two questions. One, Fannie Willis got reelected.

03:39:26.470 --> 03:39:29.690
<v Sam>How bold will she try to be? My answer to that is it won't matter.

03:39:30.370 --> 03:39:35.970
<v Sam>Once he's sworn in, all state proceedings will be paused until the end of his presidency.

03:39:36.230 --> 03:39:36.930
<v Ivan>It won't matter.

03:39:37.170 --> 03:39:37.550
<v Sam>It won't matter.

03:39:37.590 --> 03:39:38.450
<v Ivan>None of this will matter.

03:39:38.930 --> 03:39:43.890
<v Sam>And I expect the same on New York, too. Like when they delayed the sentencing

03:39:43.890 --> 03:39:48.130
<v Sam>till after the election, like at this point, I would not be surprised if the

03:39:48.130 --> 03:39:51.230
<v Sam>sentencing is further delayed until after the presidency.

03:39:51.230 --> 03:39:56.590
<v Sam>So, you know, we've only got a couple of weeks until that sentencing is supposed to happen.

03:39:56.930 --> 03:39:59.110
<v Sam>I will be surprised if it does.

03:39:59.590 --> 03:40:03.570
<v Sam>He, he also, Richard also says, if I were Jack Smith, I'd be afraid for my life.

03:40:04.490 --> 03:40:09.690
<v Sam>There are a bunch of folks. I mean, I, I saw Cohen.

03:40:10.950 --> 03:40:16.290
<v Sam>You know, Trump's former right hand man has said explicitly that he's already

03:40:16.290 --> 03:40:23.530
<v Sam>been making plans to leave the country and already has a place that he is going to go.

03:40:23.770 --> 03:40:29.730
<v Sam>He's already arranged for the documents and it's his contingency plan that as

03:40:29.730 --> 03:40:34.190
<v Sam>soon as if Donald Trump was reelected, he'd be leaving immediately.

03:40:34.830 --> 03:40:38.010
<v Sam>There are a number of people, I think, who will feel like they're in danger.

03:40:38.010 --> 03:40:44.510
<v Sam>This also reiterates, by the way, the importance of like, it's inexcusable how

03:40:44.510 --> 03:40:51.130
<v Sam>slow the process to deal with January 6th was after it happened. It's also like.

03:40:51.130 --> 03:40:52.810
<v Ivan>All these people are getting pardoned.

03:40:52.850 --> 03:40:56.150
<v Sam>All of these people are going to get pardoned. Absolutely. All of the January

03:40:56.150 --> 03:40:57.530
<v Sam>6th people are going to get pardoned.

03:40:57.690 --> 03:41:03.190
<v Sam>He's going to end the prosecutions against himself, obviously, as soon as he's sworn in.

03:41:04.110 --> 03:41:09.270
<v Sam>but you know all of that stuff should have happened faster and more aggressively and all.

03:41:09.270 --> 03:41:11.270
<v Ivan>Right i don't want to keep talking about this.

03:41:13.150 --> 03:41:18.390
<v Sam>You know there's all kinds of stuff you know woulda coulda shoulda right but

03:41:18.390 --> 03:41:25.390
<v Sam>didn't so yeah yeah i'm actually surprised donald trump hasn't officially announced

03:41:25.390 --> 03:41:27.430
<v Sam>his victory yet but he's i'm.

03:41:27.430 --> 03:41:29.450
<v Ivan>Gonna i'm gonna tell you why because.

03:41:29.450 --> 03:41:30.330
<v Sam>Because he doesn't know he.

03:41:30.330 --> 03:41:32.930
<v Ivan>Was gonna do it exactly he doesn't have.

03:41:32.930 --> 03:41:37.130
<v Sam>To he doesn't have to he can wait he can wait he can wait like the whole the

03:41:37.130 --> 03:41:42.170
<v Sam>whole announce early thing was if he was behind he's not yeah this is a this

03:41:42.170 --> 03:41:47.710
<v Sam>is a legitimate straight up win he doesn't have to play shenanigans yeah up

03:41:47.710 --> 03:41:51.350
<v Sam>to 95 percent at new york times for.

03:41:51.350 --> 03:41:52.110
<v Ivan>Oh yeah,

03:41:54.290 --> 03:41:55.830
<v Ivan>when are you going back to work.

03:41:55.830 --> 03:42:02.170
<v Sam>Monday Hey, but Yvonne, look at the bright side. You're going to have RFK Jr.

03:42:02.270 --> 03:42:03.550
<v Sam>in charge of health care.

03:42:04.270 --> 03:42:06.930
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's going to be very helpful, of course.

03:42:08.030 --> 03:42:10.890
<v Sam>NBC is slow. New Mexico, they're calling.

03:42:13.590 --> 03:42:16.050
<v Sam>Oh, Alaska's about to close. Yay.

03:42:19.630 --> 03:42:25.150
<v Ivan>By the way, right now, Trump is winning Bucks County, 50 to 49%.

03:42:26.070 --> 03:42:26.590
<v Sam>Yep.

03:42:27.270 --> 03:42:32.130
<v Ivan>I don't see where any of this comes from. There isn't anywhere in Pennsylvania

03:42:32.130 --> 03:42:35.230
<v Ivan>where there's enough votes to make this change.

03:42:35.910 --> 03:42:38.630
<v Ivan>I mean, if he's got Pennsylvania, he's got it. He's done.

03:42:38.950 --> 03:42:41.790
<v Sam>Well, and he's got all three. He's got all three.

03:42:41.790 --> 03:42:45.510
<v Ivan>It's just you know which i mean it's just they're ahead in account i mean they're

03:42:45.510 --> 03:42:47.150
<v Ivan>ahead and counting i mean so it's

03:42:47.150 --> 03:42:51.870
<v Ivan>like 92 yeah you know once you call pennsylvania that's it it's done so,

03:42:53.310 --> 03:42:59.350
<v Ivan>like everybody said tipping point was pennsylvania well you know where you have

03:42:59.350 --> 03:43:02.910
<v Ivan>it yet i mean technically.

03:43:02.910 --> 03:43:07.150
<v Sam>Technically speaking you move pennsylvania over right now there's still a couple

03:43:07.150 --> 03:43:15.270
<v Sam>paths if you know but impossible not realistic paths given the rest of the map we're seeing.

03:43:15.270 --> 03:43:19.310
<v Ivan>Yeah i mean yeah you take pennsylvania you'd.

03:43:19.310 --> 03:43:22.250
<v Sam>Have to give them back michigan wisconsin arizona nevada.

03:43:22.250 --> 03:43:26.150
<v Ivan>And that there's just the numbers aren't i

03:43:26.150 --> 03:43:30.570
<v Ivan>mean there's such a huge discrepancy between ddhq

03:43:30.570 --> 03:43:38.370
<v Ivan>michigan vote counts and new york time vote counts is as they were ahead i mean

03:43:38.370 --> 03:43:46.430
<v Ivan>ddhq has more i mean ddhq shows a much tighter race oh okay and they've counted more okay votes.

03:43:48.890 --> 03:43:50.650
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. In Michigan?

03:43:51.170 --> 03:43:55.790
<v Ivan>Yeah. It's a big difference. It's not small.

03:43:56.210 --> 03:43:58.810
<v Sam>Yeah, I can see why you aren't going to be calling Michigan.

03:43:59.690 --> 03:44:00.210
<v Ivan>No.

03:44:01.430 --> 03:44:05.670
<v Sam>Pennsylvania is harder to justify. Unless you know there's a lot of...

03:44:05.670 --> 03:44:10.570
<v Sam>Well, you mentioned the expected number outstanding is a lot still.

03:44:10.990 --> 03:44:18.890
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's still a lot. you probably got about at least half a million votes

03:44:18.890 --> 03:44:25.230
<v Ivan>in Pennsylvania right now where they're at right now in Michigan you got about 1.5 million,

03:44:26.270 --> 03:44:27.370
<v Ivan>Wisconsin though,

03:44:28.730 --> 03:44:36.210
<v Ivan>I mean well and I'm looking at early reporting Nevada but only 17% Donald's

03:44:36.210 --> 03:44:41.470
<v Ivan>up Arizona Donald's up I mean he's up on.

03:44:41.470 --> 03:44:45.490
<v Sam>Everything on all so

03:44:45.490 --> 03:44:49.030
<v Sam>nate cohen's summary from 35 minutes ago another

03:44:49.030 --> 03:44:51.950
<v Sam>hour has gone by but the story is still the same trump is

03:44:51.950 --> 03:44:55.330
<v Sam>favored in each of pennsylvania michigan and wisconsin and

03:44:55.330 --> 03:44:58.570
<v Sam>we'll just have to wait longer to see whether maybe just maybe harris will do

03:44:58.570 --> 03:45:04.170
<v Sam>better than expected in key democratic areas but the the and it's better than

03:45:04.170 --> 03:45:12.290
<v Sam>expected not just in general but because she's been under underperforming everywhere today i.

03:45:12.290 --> 03:45:17.990
<v Ivan>Don't know how i'm gonna try to get some sleep the fuck do i got what's my calendar

03:45:17.990 --> 03:45:19.570
<v Ivan>looking like tomorrow jesus.

03:45:20.670 --> 03:45:27.710
<v Sam>Richard says i have to be at the hospital in seven hours and have no idea how i can sleep yeah try.

03:45:27.710 --> 03:45:30.250
<v Ivan>To get some rest richard because it's not.

03:45:36.960 --> 03:45:45.880
<v Sam>I um you guys call a night okay bub's recording failed recording has stopped

03:45:45.880 --> 03:45:51.460
<v Sam>but everything up till now has been saved tell them to stop and restart well

03:45:51.460 --> 03:45:54.380
<v Sam>i guess i lost okay i'm holding on,

03:45:56.000 --> 03:45:57.540
<v Sam>and yvonne is back.

03:45:57.540 --> 03:46:03.180
<v Ivan>Well the youtube recording is keeping the recording going right yeah.

03:46:03.180 --> 03:46:07.500
<v Sam>Well the riverside said it saved your stuff okay.

03:46:07.500 --> 03:46:09.900
<v Ivan>I don't know it's just for some reason.

03:46:09.900 --> 03:46:14.760
<v Sam>I should have multiple copies of everything here if needed i'm.

03:46:14.760 --> 03:46:17.160
<v Ivan>Just um fab.

03:46:17.160 --> 03:46:23.340
<v Sam>Yeah i mean it's yeah i i mean,

03:46:24.520 --> 03:46:31.160
<v Sam>i i am in i don't know i was gonna say disbelief but not really i mean i knew

03:46:31.160 --> 03:46:32.640
<v Sam>this was a possibility yeah.

03:46:32.640 --> 03:46:33.440
<v Ivan>We knew we knew.

03:46:33.440 --> 03:46:34.360
<v Sam>It was a possibility.

03:46:34.360 --> 03:46:35.000
<v Ivan>We i mean.

03:46:35.000 --> 03:46:41.720
<v Sam>But i i really really hoped that this was not the path that would be taken like

03:46:41.720 --> 03:46:47.240
<v Sam>i continue to be dumbfounded and disappointed by my fellow Americans.

03:46:47.440 --> 03:46:54.540
<v Sam>I mean, this is, this is a very, very dark path we are heading down.

03:46:56.980 --> 03:47:02.540
<v Sam>New York Times now has Pennsylvania as very likely are, pegged on that side.

03:47:02.880 --> 03:47:05.460
<v Sam>Michigan at lean. Wisconsin at lean.

03:47:06.240 --> 03:47:13.480
<v Sam>They're up to greater than 95% chance on their odds. And DDHQ is at 94%.

03:47:13.480 --> 03:47:17.300
<v Ivan>I don't know. I don't get people.

03:47:17.500 --> 03:47:22.660
<v Ivan>I don't understand why. They're just seduced by this.

03:47:23.680 --> 03:47:28.260
<v Sam>You want us out of time to stop, Yvonne? I'll go another 15 minutes.

03:47:28.920 --> 03:47:29.060
<v Ivan>Yeah.

03:47:29.640 --> 03:47:32.100
<v Sam>Okay. You got work in the morning?

03:47:38.500 --> 03:47:40.440
<v Sam>Where's my mouse? Okay.

03:47:41.260 --> 03:47:43.580
<v Ivan>Yeah. In 2020.

03:47:44.300 --> 03:47:44.860
<v Sam>Yeah.

03:47:45.340 --> 03:47:52.840
<v Ivan>Hillary Clinton got in Florida 4.5 million votes. Kamala Harris got this time around 4.647 votes.

03:47:53.380 --> 03:47:54.400
<v Sam>Which state was that?

03:47:54.620 --> 03:47:57.440
<v Ivan>Florida. know that harris got

03:47:57.440 --> 03:48:01.740
<v Ivan>150 000 more votes than clinton right trump

03:48:01.740 --> 03:48:11.240
<v Ivan>got 4.6 million in 2016 he got 6.1 million this year i mean 1.5 million more

03:48:11.240 --> 03:48:19.360
<v Ivan>votes and this is and and this is while harris got also 150,000 more votes over,

03:48:19.360 --> 03:48:23.240
<v Ivan>you know, what's his face?

03:48:23.840 --> 03:48:32.480
<v Ivan>2020, Harris way has underperformed, but 5.3 million votes, 4.6 million.

03:48:33.840 --> 03:48:41.460
<v Ivan>Trump went from 5.6 to 6.1 million. I mean, he got more votes.

03:48:42.380 --> 03:48:44.660
<v Ivan>He just got more people.

03:48:46.660 --> 03:48:51.500
<v Ivan>It's not like Dems, I mean, that's what I was saying about people moving,

03:48:51.640 --> 03:48:57.100
<v Ivan>it's not like Dems turned away as much, well some did, I guess,

03:48:57.160 --> 03:49:00.960
<v Ivan>because we've got 5.3 million from Harris, but I mean, shit,

03:49:01.340 --> 03:49:06.020
<v Ivan>I mean Harris got more votes than Hillary Clinton still not enough right,

03:49:07.700 --> 03:49:15.860
<v Ivan>I mean by the way, Trump won the Tampa area Okay,

03:49:16.620 --> 03:49:20.900
<v Ivan>that had been reliably democratic in the past.

03:49:24.830 --> 03:49:27.490
<v Ivan>I mean, I'm looking through every election.

03:49:27.670 --> 03:49:29.970
<v Sam>Trump is about to give a speech.

03:49:30.370 --> 03:49:35.310
<v Ivan>Oh, God, I don't want to hear it. I don't fucking care. I don't want to listen to this clown.

03:49:36.030 --> 03:49:41.270
<v Ivan>Not just the day did we lose Tampa. It went Republican, but Miami-Dade went

03:49:41.270 --> 03:49:45.050
<v Ivan>also, which even in 2020 was Democratic.

03:49:46.170 --> 03:49:48.670
<v Ivan>I highly doubt he's going to be magnanimous.

03:49:49.410 --> 03:49:54.970
<v Sam>No, he doesn't have that in him. Roger Stone's back.

03:49:56.350 --> 03:49:59.950
<v Ivan>Oh fuck who is talking now.

03:50:01.490 --> 03:50:06.130
<v Sam>Some random reporter at the venue that Trump is heading towards.

03:50:07.570 --> 03:50:10.870
<v Ivan>Isn't he at fucking Mar-a-Lago I mean I would have assumed.

03:50:10.870 --> 03:50:16.630
<v Sam>Yeah I think he's at Mar-a-Lago well now he's coming from Mar-a-Lago the event

03:50:16.630 --> 03:50:21.470
<v Sam>is at some larger place some big looks like a hangar or something,

03:50:24.330 --> 03:50:27.330
<v Sam>uh fox declares pennsylvania for trump.

03:50:27.330 --> 03:50:35.370
<v Ivan>I mean actually ddhq just did as well actually ddhq has declared trump the winner.

03:50:35.370 --> 03:50:40.030
<v Sam>Yep well what okay yep that will do it.

03:50:41.170 --> 03:50:42.130
<v Ivan>Yeah that's it.

03:50:42.130 --> 03:50:50.030
<v Sam>So the range at this point is the best harris could do is to lose by two electoral

03:50:50.030 --> 03:50:53.690
<v Sam>votes if she ran the table on everything that hasn't been called yet,

03:50:53.890 --> 03:50:54.650
<v Sam>which isn't going to happen.

03:50:56.130 --> 03:51:02.250
<v Sam>And Trump's best is still to win by 86, which is what looks like will probably

03:51:02.250 --> 03:51:06.130
<v Sam>happen unless some of these states flip from where they are right now.

03:51:06.430 --> 03:51:09.410
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm still going to like.

03:51:09.710 --> 03:51:17.790
<v Sam>Which is what the median case of my uniform swing model said was Trump by 86.

03:51:19.060 --> 03:51:23.540
<v Sam>So DDHQ hasn't officially declared him the winner yet. Cause they haven't died.

03:51:24.060 --> 03:51:28.560
<v Sam>Their red bar to two 70 includes states that he's ahead, but they haven't called yet. But.

03:51:29.260 --> 03:51:33.220
<v Ivan>No, I was actually looking at the one that they declare Trump's.

03:51:33.400 --> 03:51:35.700
<v Ivan>They have a check mark right beside the two 70.

03:51:35.900 --> 03:51:40.080
<v Sam>Oh yeah, they do. Well, but yeah, but that, but the two 70 is based on including

03:51:40.080 --> 03:51:42.800
<v Sam>Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona.

03:51:43.020 --> 03:51:43.640
<v Ivan>I don't know.

03:51:43.700 --> 03:51:44.500
<v Sam>No, you're right.

03:51:44.600 --> 03:51:46.360
<v Ivan>No, no, it doesn't.

03:51:46.500 --> 03:51:49.860
<v Sam>No, I didn't know you're right. And they have the same count I have. So what am I saying?

03:51:50.020 --> 03:51:59.160
<v Sam>I have 270 as well in that Harris's best case is the 268 to 270 case,

03:51:59.340 --> 03:52:00.160
<v Sam>which is what they have there.

03:52:00.520 --> 03:52:07.220
<v Sam>But that is assuming a couple of the states that are really ahead.

03:52:07.400 --> 03:52:13.480
<v Ivan>Yeah, Minnesota. So that's 223. I mean, she's not ahead in Nevada.

03:52:13.480 --> 03:52:14.960
<v Ivan>She's not ahead in Arizona.

03:52:16.040 --> 03:52:20.940
<v Ivan>Maybe she pulls one of those out. Well, he got 223 plus.

03:52:22.060 --> 03:52:25.680
<v Ivan>Oh, he hasn't called Maine. Harris is ahead.

03:52:26.120 --> 03:52:26.380
<v Sam>Yeah.

03:52:28.980 --> 03:52:32.840
<v Ivan>And by the way, I'm not even sure if this time he doesn't really win the popular vote.

03:52:33.180 --> 03:52:36.220
<v Sam>He might at this point. It's going to be close.

03:52:36.600 --> 03:52:37.000
<v Ivan>Yeah.

03:52:37.300 --> 03:52:42.920
<v Sam>I mean, I think there's probably a significant chunk in California that might put Harris.

03:52:43.160 --> 03:52:47.560
<v Sam>Like, it's going to be close. It's going to be close. So popular vote could still go either way.

03:52:48.280 --> 03:52:54.600
<v Ivan>Yeah because he's ahead by five million votes like right now oh god i got some,

03:52:56.290 --> 03:52:59.030
<v Ivan>It's stupid columns already out.

03:52:59.470 --> 03:53:05.030
<v Ivan>Could a Trump victory offer an unlikely opening to an American renewal?

03:53:08.370 --> 03:53:10.090
<v Sam>You can be quiet, Chetsky.

03:53:11.150 --> 03:53:15.630
<v Ivan>California has repealed Proposition 8, which I don't know which one it was,

03:53:15.750 --> 03:53:19.170
<v Ivan>and enshrined same-sex marriage rights in the state constitution.

03:53:19.650 --> 03:53:22.190
<v Ivan>So I don't remember which one was Proposition 8.

03:53:22.670 --> 03:53:23.550
<v Sam>There we go.

03:53:23.970 --> 03:53:26.130
<v Ivan>I guess it's time for me to try to...

03:53:26.290 --> 03:53:30.710
<v Sam>Okay we'll close this out any.

03:53:30.710 --> 03:53:33.490
<v Ivan>Parting shots you want to record for posterity.

03:53:34.170 --> 03:53:41.350
<v Sam>No we'll collect our thoughts a little bit record a show later in the week but just,

03:53:42.830 --> 03:53:45.590
<v Sam>this is i i keep

03:53:45.590 --> 03:53:49.490
<v Sam>thinking about the quote about the

03:53:49.490 --> 03:53:52.610
<v Sam>start of the cold war about the the lights going off

03:53:52.610 --> 03:53:55.390
<v Sam>or was that start of world war two anyway the

03:53:55.390 --> 03:53:58.250
<v Sam>lights going off around europe or whatever this is

03:53:58.250 --> 03:54:05.290
<v Sam>this is ushering in what's going to be a very dark period in u.s and world history

03:54:05.290 --> 03:54:09.790
<v Sam>i don't see any way around that like one way or another it's going to be bad

03:54:09.790 --> 03:54:18.090
<v Sam>and just like a lot of these other dark periods in world history people voted it in.

03:54:18.090 --> 03:54:19.870
<v Ivan>They wanted it.

03:54:19.870 --> 03:54:21.590
<v Sam>Yep these.

03:54:21.590 --> 03:54:22.630
<v Ivan>People wanted it.

03:54:22.630 --> 03:54:25.250
<v Sam>Yep and we'll see how it

03:54:25.250 --> 03:54:28.590
<v Sam>goes i mean i i my

03:54:28.590 --> 03:54:31.990
<v Sam>the best hope at this point is

03:54:31.990 --> 03:54:34.690
<v Sam>that all of us are wrong and that it won't be

03:54:34.690 --> 03:54:37.650
<v Sam>nearly as bad as we fear i mean

03:54:37.650 --> 03:54:40.330
<v Sam>you know people people pointed out over and

03:54:40.330 --> 03:54:44.370
<v Sam>over again for the last trump administration see all

03:54:44.370 --> 03:54:47.490
<v Sam>the things you said would happen didn't all happen it wasn't

03:54:47.490 --> 03:54:50.490
<v Sam>that bad but it was

03:54:50.490 --> 03:54:53.490
<v Sam>it was really bad for a lot of people it was really bad

03:54:53.490 --> 03:55:01.730
<v Sam>for a lot of people yes and you know most of the like the majors haven't done

03:55:01.730 --> 03:55:06.850
<v Sam>the final calls yet but it but you know ddhq and the hill have and it's clear

03:55:06.850 --> 03:55:11.370
<v Sam>if you combine If you combine the calls from the various people who've made calls,

03:55:11.650 --> 03:55:15.270
<v Sam>it's clear, like, we're done here.

03:55:15.730 --> 03:55:18.070
<v Sam>So, it is what it is.

03:55:18.810 --> 03:55:22.470
<v Sam>And we'll all have to figure out how to live in that universe.

03:55:23.530 --> 03:55:26.830
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. Well, I'm signing out. Okay.

03:55:26.970 --> 03:55:31.450
<v Sam>And I'm just going to sign out, too. So, thank you, everybody who joined the

03:55:31.450 --> 03:55:35.970
<v Sam>live stream. and anybody who listens to this later as well.

03:55:36.750 --> 03:55:42.470
<v Sam>I'll include some version of all this at the end of our next episode, undoubtedly.

03:55:42.990 --> 03:55:48.710
<v Sam>And that's it. Prepare yourself for Trump too.

03:55:49.870 --> 03:55:50.950
<v Ivan>All right. Good night.

03:55:51.370 --> 03:55:52.150
<v Sam>Good night all.

