WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:06.010 That sounded good hey how you doing good good good good good good good good good. 00:00:06.010 --> 00:00:12.370 Good i'm feeling good i'm feeling great i'm feeling wonderful i. 00:00:12.370 --> 00:00:13.330 Am so glad feeling. 00:00:13.330 --> 00:00:17.170 Good i'm feeling great i'm feeling wonderful. 00:00:17.170 --> 00:00:26.530 I'm tired now commute but i just i just took a nap actually like i I got home 00:00:26.530 --> 00:00:31.070 from something and I was like, I got like an hour. 00:00:31.430 --> 00:00:34.950 I'm going to lie down and then I'll get up again for the podcast. 00:00:35.210 --> 00:00:42.550 So I, I mean, I was watching TV. Yeah. So you want to know the future? 25 years in that. 00:00:42.910 --> 00:00:43.830 Shall we? 00:00:47.210 --> 00:00:54.270 That's when I was trying, I was trying to turn this down, and I wound up doing the opposite. 00:00:54.470 --> 00:00:56.170 You failed. You failed utterly. 00:00:56.790 --> 00:00:57.230 Yeah. 00:00:57.610 --> 00:00:58.730 Shall we just go? 00:00:59.650 --> 00:01:03.910 I mean, is there anything else that we can do? No. Okay, let's just go. 00:01:04.710 --> 00:01:06.950 Okay, just go. 00:01:27.210 --> 00:01:36.090 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, October 5th, 2024. 00:01:36.550 --> 00:01:41.050 It's just after 2 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Materini, 00:01:41.050 --> 00:01:42.290 Yvonne Boas here. Hello, Yvonne. 00:01:43.650 --> 00:01:44.290 Hi. 00:01:46.050 --> 00:01:48.830 You know we're gonna do our usual we'll 00:01:48.830 --> 00:01:51.570 do our butt first of like you know 00:01:51.570 --> 00:01:54.630 non-newsy stuff and then we'll get into the news after that first 00:01:54.630 --> 00:01:57.550 segment picked by von then i'll pick the last 00:01:57.550 --> 00:02:00.350 one and yeah that's gonna be 00:02:00.350 --> 00:02:03.050 our normal agenda but i feel kind of lost to be 00:02:03.050 --> 00:02:06.370 honest here because for the first week in a long long time i 00:02:06.370 --> 00:02:09.270 don't have like media of like books or movies 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:12.110 or tv queued up ready to go because you 00:02:12.110 --> 00:02:15.450 know i mentioned on last week's show i have to do that thing where i go through 00:02:15.450 --> 00:02:20.010 my phone to like log all the stuff i've finished in the last few months and 00:02:20.010 --> 00:02:23.890 i haven't done that so i've got no list and you know it's one of those things 00:02:23.890 --> 00:02:27.810 that like i let it go so long when i actually get around to doing it it takes 00:02:27.810 --> 00:02:30.550 me hours and hours and hours to like do it so, 00:02:31.190 --> 00:02:34.710 yeah i haven't i haven't done it so i don't know i have no idea what i'll even 00:02:34.710 --> 00:02:39.710 talk about You have no idea what you want to talk about. For the non-newsy stuff. 00:02:39.950 --> 00:02:42.690 I mean, I'm just confused and lost. 00:02:44.030 --> 00:02:44.750 How's the weather? 00:02:45.870 --> 00:02:51.150 It was okay today. It was nice. Now, this is one of those things where you will 00:02:51.150 --> 00:02:54.030 be like, oh my God, it was unbearably cold. 00:02:54.750 --> 00:02:56.610 What was the high of? 00:02:56.690 --> 00:03:03.830 Because the highs are, let's see, it was 58. The high was 58. 00:03:04.030 --> 00:03:05.650 Oh, fuck that shit. 00:03:07.630 --> 00:03:12.690 If I'm reading this correctly. And it'll be, the high will be 63 tomorrow. 00:03:12.690 --> 00:03:19.070 Morrow see now to me like you know this was perfect i loved it it was great 00:03:19.070 --> 00:03:21.530 weather this is what i like let's. 00:03:21.530 --> 00:03:24.450 See what what is the name of that town that you live in right now. 00:03:26.910 --> 00:03:31.890 We're we're technically an unincorporated snohomish county between everest and 00:03:31.890 --> 00:03:38.870 milk everest everest you're near the everest i'm near the ever no no between everett and milk creek i. 00:03:38.870 --> 00:03:40.790 Didn't realize i mean i thought that mountain. 00:03:40.790 --> 00:03:46.850 I am on the slopes of mount everest that's that's where i live yes i. 00:03:46.850 --> 00:03:48.050 Would be i. 00:03:48.050 --> 00:03:51.610 I live i live at one of the base camps that. 00:03:51.610 --> 00:03:57.770 Would be yeah that would be something but you know no no i don't i have no interest 00:03:57.770 --> 00:03:59.010 in climbing mount everest. 00:03:59.010 --> 00:04:01.490 Yeah no i have no interest in 00:04:01.490 --> 00:04:06.530 climbing any mountain that isn't just a relaxing stroll to get to the top. 00:04:07.110 --> 00:04:08.770 I could do a relaxing stroll. 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:13.250 Or even a decent hike. I'll be honest. 00:04:13.690 --> 00:04:19.730 You know, now that Asheville, North Carolina has been in the news because of 00:04:19.730 --> 00:04:24.470 what happened with the storm, personal story, and I guess that could be my first, 00:04:24.550 --> 00:04:28.390 but I used to go to summer camp around that area when I was little. 00:04:28.550 --> 00:04:29.030 Oh, okay. 00:04:29.450 --> 00:04:31.810 I did that. I mean, it's the only... 00:04:32.490 --> 00:04:36.690 Away summer camp i did was a camp called camp highlander which is just right 00:04:36.690 --> 00:04:40.710 outside asheville and so did did you check. 00:04:40.710 --> 00:04:41.830 To see if it still exists. 00:04:41.830 --> 00:04:45.830 Oh no the camp still exists i know it still exists because i had my nephews 00:04:45.830 --> 00:04:50.450 actually went to it a few years no i mean like after last after the storm i 00:04:50.450 --> 00:04:55.750 do think that i was looking at the location although i did you know it is. 00:04:55.750 --> 00:05:01.230 Reasonably possible that any random camp could have ceased to exist in the last like 40 years but. 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:04.190 Yeah i meant specifically this week they're still they are 00:05:04.190 --> 00:05:07.150 still in business but i i i 00:05:07.150 --> 00:05:09.910 looked at the map i don't they they 00:05:09.910 --> 00:05:12.730 are not they weren't in the path of the 00:05:12.730 --> 00:05:18.750 worst stuff okay surrounding that at least based on what i could see i could 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:23.470 be wrong and there's been a you know some some areas of information has not 00:05:23.470 --> 00:05:30.990 been very uh complete so well yeah i mean this is one of the things I mean. 00:05:31.010 --> 00:05:36.170 We talked about Helene last week, but we were talking mainly about sort of the 00:05:36.170 --> 00:05:40.270 coastal stuff because there was still the areas that turned out to have been 00:05:40.270 --> 00:05:46.250 most heavily impacted in western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee were still 00:05:46.250 --> 00:05:48.950 inaccessible and they'd lost power and communication. 00:05:49.430 --> 00:05:54.410 And sort of after we finished recording, it became more and more clear that 00:05:54.410 --> 00:05:58.190 those areas were actually the hardest hit, much more than along the coast. 00:05:58.190 --> 00:06:00.870 Yeah i mean definitely that's been a 00:06:00.870 --> 00:06:03.730 case and you know i i was looking 00:06:03.730 --> 00:06:06.670 at a lot of the towns and places where they they spoke 00:06:06.670 --> 00:06:10.370 about that had the biggest impact one of them i'm talking about there is this 00:06:10.370 --> 00:06:16.610 very big artificial lake called lake which is on the river if i remember the 00:06:16.610 --> 00:06:23.110 the name and this this the river went past the town called chimney rock which 00:06:23.110 --> 00:06:26.390 we used to go very often on the way to Lake Lure, 00:06:26.530 --> 00:06:29.450 and I got devastated by that. 00:06:30.510 --> 00:06:34.090 So that area was very familiar in general to me. 00:06:34.330 --> 00:06:41.370 You know, and the mountains, I've climbed only very few mountains. 00:06:42.590 --> 00:06:45.650 I will say that the mountains I've climbed have been... 00:06:45.650 --> 00:06:49.830 Now, let's be clear by what you mean by that. Like, have you climbed... 00:06:49.830 --> 00:06:53.510 Well, no, but have you climbed mountains that require special equipment? 00:06:53.730 --> 00:06:55.570 Or are we talking like a strenuous hike? 00:06:56.250 --> 00:07:02.490 Mountains that there is no trail. And so therefore to make it to the top, 00:07:02.590 --> 00:07:06.890 they don't need specialized equipment because the ox, I mean, 00:07:06.890 --> 00:07:09.350 they're at about a few thousand. 00:07:09.390 --> 00:07:13.430 Are you using, you don't need, are you using row or no, no, no, 00:07:13.470 --> 00:07:17.810 no, but do you need like ropes and like the things you stab into? 00:07:17.870 --> 00:07:21.510 No, no, no, but you, but, but, but, What? 00:07:22.300 --> 00:07:23.540 You have to scramble up rocks. 00:07:23.620 --> 00:07:26.780 Oh, you have to scramble and grab onto stuff. 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:28.000 Okay. 00:07:28.100 --> 00:07:33.860 And it's not, you're not up a trail. Okay. It's not a simple walk. 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:37.140 It took a lot of effort to get to the peak. 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:44.960 And I did it probably twice around in the Asheville area. I will say that it was very difficult. 00:07:45.080 --> 00:07:47.760 The only other place that I did that was in Puerto Rico in order to make it 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:50.540 to the peak of aljunque which they're actually on 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:53.360 that one there are more trails but near 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:58.080 the end there aren't and so you know while it doesn't require special equipment 00:07:58.080 --> 00:08:07.340 it's also not look if you can't if you don't if you can't move grab hold on 00:08:07.340 --> 00:08:11.280 to stuff you know basically sometimes in some places He says, 00:08:11.380 --> 00:08:14.140 go on your knees and like, 00:08:14.260 --> 00:08:16.860 you know, you're not going to get to that. 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:20.420 I get the picture. There are like several levels of this, right? 00:08:20.500 --> 00:08:22.640 There's like mountains you can get to the top just walking. 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.760 There's mountains that require the kind of stuff you're talking about. 00:08:25.960 --> 00:08:27.660 And there's one that you need special equipment. 00:08:27.960 --> 00:08:32.760 Then there's the stuff that you need like ropes and the crampons and the thing. 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.680 And then there's the ones that you need oxygen for. 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:40.520 Yeah. So I did also do around that area rock climbing. 00:08:41.180 --> 00:08:45.140 I will say, I despise rock climbing. 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:52.340 It's a very scary endeavor. For that, we needed the specialized equipment and safety lines and stuff. 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:53.340 Right. 00:08:53.420 --> 00:08:56.420 The easy rock climbing one... 00:08:57.430 --> 00:09:01.630 With a lot of difficulty, I was able to get to. There's another one that was 00:09:01.630 --> 00:09:05.710 very difficult, which I remember that some people got to the top. 00:09:05.830 --> 00:09:06.990 I don't know how they held. 00:09:07.270 --> 00:09:12.990 But I remember that I barely got up, like, maybe like 10, 20% up the way. 00:09:13.330 --> 00:09:18.850 And I'm like, okay, that's it. That's enough rock for me. This is scary enough. I'm coming back down. 00:09:19.170 --> 00:09:23.130 I'm just going to go back to camp. The hell with this shit. I'm not doing this. 00:09:23.270 --> 00:09:27.550 This is not worth it. But yeah, it was mostly around that area. 00:09:27.630 --> 00:09:33.150 And I will also say that the only places that I probably have like, 00:09:33.270 --> 00:09:38.330 well, not the only, but like 90% of the camping that I've done outside was around 00:09:38.330 --> 00:09:40.590 those devastated areas. 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:41.910 Right. 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:49.030 I will say that camping outside, you know, like in the middle of nowhere, 00:09:49.190 --> 00:09:53.970 like in a forest, whatever, is cool when it's not raining. 00:09:54.410 --> 00:09:59.950 I, unfortunately, for whatever reason, I don't think I'm exaggerating. 00:10:00.030 --> 00:10:03.550 More than half the time we went out to camp, it was raining. 00:10:04.270 --> 00:10:07.530 And camping when it's raining is absolutely miserable. 00:10:08.210 --> 00:10:13.730 But when it wasn't raining, it was a delight. The weather was nice. 00:10:14.410 --> 00:10:18.750 We got to pick blueberries in certain places. We made s'mores. 00:10:19.030 --> 00:10:25.170 We went to these natural pools occurring in the rocks. The streams up there, 00:10:25.250 --> 00:10:30.550 the water was so fresh and clear, you know, coming down from the mountain. 00:10:31.310 --> 00:10:34.850 Yeah, it was good. I mean, it was good. So I have very fond memories of that 00:10:34.850 --> 00:10:38.350 area. And like, actually, my brother went with me as well. 00:10:38.470 --> 00:10:42.650 And some other people in my family and friends, you know, it's very hard to 00:10:42.650 --> 00:10:47.930 see the devastation that they that has been wrought on the on the area and how 00:10:47.930 --> 00:10:50.290 people are are are struggling. 00:10:50.290 --> 00:10:56.010 And how, I mean, the death toll right now is, I mean, already they said it's up to 200 people. 00:10:56.950 --> 00:11:00.770 Yeah, it's like over 220 at this point, last update I had. 00:11:00.850 --> 00:11:05.390 But the thing is, there's still lots of people missing. They're still finding people. 00:11:05.690 --> 00:11:09.230 The number is going to continue to go up from here. We're not at the top. 00:11:09.230 --> 00:11:15.030 No, we're not. No, we're not. We're not even close. But I did spend a lot of time up there. 00:11:15.150 --> 00:11:19.390 And I rather, despite some of the weather and stuff, I mean, 00:11:19.410 --> 00:11:22.570 I did learn. I mean, I learned to whitewater raft. 00:11:22.730 --> 00:11:26.790 I canoed. I was pretty good at that stuff. and we 00:11:26.790 --> 00:11:29.610 did we did all this stuff we did horseback riding we 00:11:29.610 --> 00:11:33.190 did water skiing we did uh i 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:40.750 don't know we did uh but swimming diving i don't know why the hell we once had 00:11:40.750 --> 00:11:46.630 a fucking belly flop competition i don't know why the hell we do that i wound 00:11:46.630 --> 00:11:50.310 up having to do that that's awful it's painful 00:11:50.530 --> 00:11:57.730 yeah we had to do that we had we had mud fights i hate mud i despise mud i don't 00:11:57.730 --> 00:12:05.490 like mud people yeah no all like covered in mud from head to toe fighting yeah no i. 00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:06.950 I this has never. 00:12:06.950 --> 00:12:08.150 Now been something. 00:12:08.150 --> 00:12:09.810 That i was interested in either. 00:12:09.810 --> 00:12:12.610 It's so i know so we did these uh, 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:15.910 we had a lot of different events i i will 00:12:15.910 --> 00:12:18.550 say what what interesting thing from one of those one of those 00:12:18.550 --> 00:12:21.690 trips so we also that was the trip that we took 00:12:21.690 --> 00:12:24.750 buses and we went to knoxville for the world's fair from 00:12:24.750 --> 00:12:28.330 there right okay because that was like nearby and 00:12:28.330 --> 00:12:34.830 so we did that and i also wound up that is where i wound up seeing the movie 00:12:34.830 --> 00:12:40.590 tron it was a movie that we were actually supposed to go see et which i think 00:12:40.590 --> 00:12:47.350 was out around the same time and we couldn't go go see it and i I was like, oh, we get to see Tron. 00:12:47.410 --> 00:12:50.510 Well, I didn't really want to see the stupid space alien movie. 00:12:51.150 --> 00:12:56.710 I prefer to one of my computers. So we got to go see Tron. And I was a lot happier with that. 00:12:56.770 --> 00:13:04.830 I will say I don't have a movie this time, but, you know, and it hasn't been 00:13:04.830 --> 00:13:07.910 that long since I've seen E.T. It may even be one of the ones I add to my list. 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:13.310 But I will say thumbs up to both E.T. and Tron. I like both of those movies. 00:13:13.310 --> 00:13:16.410 I think I eventually watched E.T. and I liked it. 00:13:17.490 --> 00:13:23.590 Okay, but my preference was Tron, you know, to go watch it. Yeah, they were both out in 82. 00:13:23.850 --> 00:13:26.830 So yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the thing. It was either E.T. 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:30.130 Or Tron and we wound up watching Tron. I was very happy about that. 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:31.410 I think most people were not. 00:13:32.380 --> 00:13:36.620 That we wound up at Tron instead of E.T. 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:42.820 But I was definitely happy about that. 00:13:43.760 --> 00:13:49.920 So, yeah. So I had a lot of fond memories from camp. A lot of shit happened. 00:13:50.300 --> 00:13:55.300 Even fistfights. Oh, my God. Why did we wind up getting into so many fistfights at that age? 00:13:55.660 --> 00:14:02.040 You know, fistfighting used to be more common. I think we talk about kids like 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:03.180 right now at school, whatever. 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:09.280 I don't hear that often, even from my nephews or whatever, about kids getting 00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:12.580 into fist fights at school. And I remember that back then. 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:15.180 That was not an uncommon thing. 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.300 It probably depends on the school. 00:14:17.680 --> 00:14:22.220 I mean, but I'm talking like in general, you know, everywhere. 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:29.060 I'm talking, I mean, Sam, I mean, we got into knockout, drag out, 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:34.780 you know, punches, thrones, landed, black guys, black brutes, fights. 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:42.700 Yeah. I only remember being tangentially involved in one of those ever. 00:14:43.160 --> 00:14:45.460 Has Alex ever told you he's been in a fist fight? 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.880 Alex, have you ever been in a fist fight at school? No. 00:14:49.810 --> 00:14:53.630 He pretended to punch me, but I guess the answer is no. 00:14:54.130 --> 00:14:55.970 I mean, otherwise, you would have heard. 00:14:56.530 --> 00:15:00.310 He was no longer pretending to punch me. He is actually punching me. 00:15:00.370 --> 00:15:04.370 Well, I'm assuming that if it would have happened, you guys would have heard about it. 00:15:04.770 --> 00:15:07.990 I presume so. No, as far as I know, no, nothing like that. 00:15:08.050 --> 00:15:11.550 And listen, I told my nephews, you know, that's not very common. 00:15:11.650 --> 00:15:15.010 And I remember that back then, including in the U.S. or, you know, 00:15:15.010 --> 00:15:19.370 from kids I talked to in the U.S. or from where I was. and that was not that 00:15:19.370 --> 00:15:21.930 unusual an occurrence to wind up instead they. 00:15:21.930 --> 00:15:23.350 Just all cyber bully each other. 00:15:23.350 --> 00:15:27.970 Right they cyber bully each other and and of course then the ones that get really 00:15:27.970 --> 00:15:33.110 pissed off wind up coming in and like with AR-15s killing everybody. 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:36.870 Yeah so no more fist fights and instead you get school shooters. 00:15:36.870 --> 00:15:41.790 Great good trade off good trade off yeah sounds like sounds like a plan but 00:15:41.790 --> 00:15:46.430 yeah so I don't know we had a lot of that happening horseback riding did a lot 00:15:46.430 --> 00:15:49.650 of horseback riding That was one thing. I wasn't too bad on a horse. 00:15:50.030 --> 00:15:53.770 You can't be on a horse. You're very allergic to horses, as we have discovered. 00:15:54.250 --> 00:15:56.810 I have ridden a horse once in my life. 00:15:57.230 --> 00:15:57.630 Ah. 00:15:57.810 --> 00:16:04.970 And it was okay, I guess. I don't know. I wasn't particularly into it. 00:16:05.310 --> 00:16:08.850 And this was like completely aside from any allergy issues. 00:16:08.890 --> 00:16:13.910 Just the actual activity of like, it was like, okay, this was a thing. I did it once. 00:16:13.930 --> 00:16:17.430 I don't have to do it again. I must admit, I did like riding the horses. 00:16:18.050 --> 00:16:22.230 But, you know, I don't know. But also horseback riding is not very convenient. 00:16:22.850 --> 00:16:28.390 You know, it depends where you're going. It depends where you're going, but also where you live. 00:16:29.390 --> 00:16:35.050 You know, we used to have stables with horses when I was growing up at my grandparents 00:16:35.050 --> 00:16:36.930 place that made it a lot easier. 00:16:37.450 --> 00:16:40.530 But I don't know. We got rid of all the horses. So when you don't have horses 00:16:40.530 --> 00:16:42.210 makes it very difficult to go horseback riding. 00:16:43.330 --> 00:16:48.350 So we, yes. Yeah. So, so anyway, so my anecdote was that, yes, 00:16:48.410 --> 00:16:53.350 I, I had spent a lot of my childhood around the area that was a couple of years 00:16:53.350 --> 00:16:57.570 of my, my, a couple of my summers when I was growing up in the devastated area, unfortunately. 00:16:57.650 --> 00:17:03.910 So I've been probably paying more attention to, to that than normally I would 00:17:03.910 --> 00:17:08.070 place because of it, because I just recognize a lot of the places that they 00:17:08.070 --> 00:17:10.930 are talking about that were affected by it. 00:17:10.930 --> 00:17:13.790 So and the bottom line like 00:17:13.790 --> 00:17:16.650 i i mean yes there's been 00:17:16.650 --> 00:17:20.030 lots of devastation but also you know there were as 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:22.990 people got connectivity back you 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:26.170 got more and more people sharing videos not just 00:17:26.170 --> 00:17:29.210 of the aftermath but what was happening during as well 00:17:29.210 --> 00:17:32.030 and yeah just a lot of 00:17:32.030 --> 00:17:35.030 really scary stuff like i mean 00:17:35.030 --> 00:17:37.990 like you know somebody like in their kitchen and 00:17:37.990 --> 00:17:41.530 all of a sudden you notice that the water outside the 00:17:41.530 --> 00:17:44.310 kitchen is up past the window and then 00:17:44.310 --> 00:17:47.070 the window explodes inward with water yeah you know 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:49.890 this kind of stuff and then you know and then lots of 00:17:49.890 --> 00:17:52.890 places that are just you know flooded up to people's chest height 00:17:52.890 --> 00:17:55.650 and people float houses floating down the 00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:58.730 river you know yeah all of this kind of stuff and some 00:17:58.730 --> 00:18:01.570 of them you've seen on the news with notes that hey 00:18:01.570 --> 00:18:05.430 you see that person who's on 00:18:05.430 --> 00:18:09.770 the house floating down the river this is the last known picture of them they're 00:18:09.770 --> 00:18:15.290 missing they're gone you know um or there was another where there was like a 00:18:15.290 --> 00:18:20.610 you know several people like on top of a house that then collapsed same thing 00:18:20.610 --> 00:18:24.210 gone you know and you know. 00:18:25.310 --> 00:18:31.270 Yeah so and i've heard there have been a number of people as well that i've 00:18:31.270 --> 00:18:35.650 seen on tiktok that like normally post other kinds of content but turns out 00:18:35.650 --> 00:18:39.210 either are in western north carolina or know people who were and are, 00:18:39.310 --> 00:18:43.030 you know, like there was one that I was that, you know, I see regularly on Tik 00:18:43.030 --> 00:18:46.570 TOK who posts things about like, you know, Tolkien related content, 00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:48.630 you know, Lord of the Rings and all that kind of stuff. 00:18:48.870 --> 00:18:52.170 And she came on and was like, we're fine. 00:18:52.350 --> 00:18:56.310 We escaped, we got out, but my, my, my family is still there. 00:18:56.410 --> 00:19:01.370 They're okay too, but they have very limited connectivity and they have like, 00:19:01.530 --> 00:19:04.730 they're, they're running low on supplies and blah, blah, blah. 00:19:04.730 --> 00:19:08.910 Blah and like there have been people in my comments complaining that i haven't 00:19:08.910 --> 00:19:17.130 been posting my regular content and fuck you you know you know and stuff like this so yeah. 00:19:17.130 --> 00:19:20.450 Well okay so that was my uh, 00:19:22.250 --> 00:19:23.770 Buddy, first thing. 00:19:23.790 --> 00:19:30.090 Your thing? Thing. Your thing? Yeah. Okay, so now I'm panicking. 00:19:30.510 --> 00:19:33.050 What do I talk about? What do I do? 00:19:33.730 --> 00:19:37.570 So the current temperature in Everett is 54 degrees. 00:19:39.110 --> 00:19:46.970 We have a forecast low of 48, and it looks like the humidity is 91%. This is quite high. 00:19:47.350 --> 00:19:53.190 Yeah, to be honest. visibility is 11 miles and and the temperature is four degrees 00:19:53.190 --> 00:19:59.050 below the average daily high that's expected okay feels like 54 sunrise at 7 00:19:59.050 --> 00:20:06.330 14 a.m sunset at 6 38 p.m special that's good expected wind west at three miles per hour. 00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:12.150 Okay so i'll alex is oh the air quality index is 25 which. 00:20:12.150 --> 00:20:13.150 Is very good apparently. 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:18.290 So i i am going to talk about something that alex has actually suggested and 00:20:18.290 --> 00:20:20.910 came up on our Commodions course Slack earlier this week. 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:26.690 Last week I mentioned in passing as we were talking about other stuff that I 00:20:26.690 --> 00:20:29.910 actually do use AI tools regularly at this point. 00:20:30.090 --> 00:20:32.810 Ah yes, that came up in Slack. 00:20:32.810 --> 00:20:38.310 Somebody asked me like what? This is still useless. And so I did say I am mostly 00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:40.250 using it for coding help. 00:20:40.750 --> 00:20:44.590 And they indicated, actually two people, 00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:47.610 both Bob and Greg indicated that they never had any success 00:20:47.610 --> 00:20:50.610 this is on our commissions corner slack on using these tools 00:20:50.610 --> 00:20:53.670 and it always cost them you know it didn't get 00:20:53.670 --> 00:20:57.870 it right and it caused them it was more trouble than it worth was worth basically 00:20:57.870 --> 00:21:04.370 and so i want to give a little bit of like what i've used it for successfully 00:21:04.370 --> 00:21:12.410 and the limitations on that and talk about it a little bit first of all like Like, for the most part, 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:19.710 what I've been using it for the last few months is simple scripting stuff. 00:21:20.250 --> 00:21:28.810 Like, where I want to have my computer, like, once a day, check some number, 00:21:29.030 --> 00:21:35.010 log it somewhere, and send me an alert if it's outside of some parameter. 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:41.270 Okay? I do this for how old my backups are. I do this for how full my hard drives are. 00:21:41.430 --> 00:21:43.550 I do it for a variety of other things. 00:21:44.030 --> 00:21:47.850 And so, you know, this is fairly simple stuff. 00:21:47.970 --> 00:21:52.410 I'm asking to do it in a fairly, you know, fairly old technology, 00:21:52.610 --> 00:21:54.810 shell scripts or PHP scripts or whatever. 00:21:55.330 --> 00:22:03.590 And the total code it's spitting out is for the basic version is maybe a dozen lines of code. 00:22:03.730 --> 00:22:07.310 And if I start getting fancy and like, 00:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.150 saying, oh, well, I want you to handle this special case and I want you to do 00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:12.850 this extra and I want you to do that. 00:22:13.490 --> 00:22:18.010 Maybe it's a few dozen lines of code, but it's a single file with a script that 00:22:18.010 --> 00:22:19.370 does something fairly straightforward. 00:22:20.090 --> 00:22:26.330 But what it lets me do in that case is basically I can write a couple sentences 00:22:26.330 --> 00:22:30.790 in English language saying what I want And it spits it out. 00:22:31.090 --> 00:22:35.850 Now, does it get it right on the first try? 00:22:36.670 --> 00:22:39.870 Sometimes, but more often I iterate. 00:22:40.210 --> 00:22:46.150 And I think one of the reasons I've been able to get useful stuff out of this 00:22:46.150 --> 00:22:52.790 is I don't come in writing a two paragraph description of something complicated I want. 00:22:53.470 --> 00:22:58.170 You start with something very basic. I start with something super simple. 00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:01.990 Just give me a script that does, that checks this number. 00:23:02.710 --> 00:23:07.750 And then I'm like, okay, well now I want you to take that number and log it to a file. Boom. 00:23:08.090 --> 00:23:13.010 Okay. Now I want you to also check that number. And if it's high, do this. 00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:18.910 Oh, and when you log it to the file, actually, I'd like you to tweak the format and do it like this. 00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:24.910 Like one little tiny step at a time, not like give it a whole set of instructions 00:23:24.910 --> 00:23:29.850 is this is how I've generally done it is one little thing at a time and slowly 00:23:29.850 --> 00:23:33.290 build up the functionality even there. 00:23:34.940 --> 00:23:39.120 When most of the time I've been doing this, I would actually end up fighting 00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:45.360 it because it would like, as soon as it got a little bit more complicated, 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.500 it would sometimes add the new thing, 00:23:48.620 --> 00:23:53.820 but forget some of the old stuff and spit up and spit out a new, 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:59.340 new script that would do the new thing you added, but no longer do what you asked before. 00:23:59.340 --> 00:24:00.440 Well, that kind of sucks. 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.520 And like you know sometimes it would 00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:07.400 be like well just change this code without giving you everything which okay 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:13.600 fine but like if i'm my mode of operation was usually just take everything that 00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:18.180 had given me and cut and paste and replace the old script right and so once 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:23.260 it started saying replacing parts of the old script with comments saying leave the stuff alone, 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:28.520 that that method wouldn't work anymore you'd have to be careful and or i would 00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:33.400 have to go back into Tell it, no, no, please give me the whole script and do that. 00:24:33.820 --> 00:24:37.020 And, you know, that was, that was, it worked okay. 00:24:37.800 --> 00:24:42.400 But like I said, whenever it got complicated, it would start to get confused more. 00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:47.940 And so the late, and I've tried, by the way, I started doing this mostly with chat GPT. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:53.480 And then I switched it. I heard somewhere online, somebody said that Claude was better for this. 00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:59.020 So I started to use Claude instead. dead so Claude is chat GPT is for open AI 00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:01.000 Claude is from anthropic. 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:08.160 How do you spell Claude C L O D or C L A U D E that one the okay the second 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:15.420 one okay Claude Claude I'm like what is it an idiot Claude I don't know okay let's anyway so I. 00:25:16.850 --> 00:25:21.270 I, I, people had said Claude was better. So I switched and was doing mostly 00:25:21.270 --> 00:25:23.170 Claude and it was better. It was better. 00:25:23.770 --> 00:25:28.110 But then more recently, and this is only just two or three weeks ago, 00:25:28.170 --> 00:25:33.790 I saw people talking about this thing called cursor, which is basically. Okay. 00:25:33.790 --> 00:25:40.490 So you mean cursor C U R S O R not C U R S E R, which that would be me. 00:25:41.550 --> 00:25:44.250 Yes. C U R S O R. That's right. 00:25:44.330 --> 00:25:45.210 Okay. Got it. 00:25:45.210 --> 00:25:52.630 Like the thing on your screen. Anyway, it's an integrated development environment. 00:25:52.830 --> 00:26:00.030 So an IDE that basically has editors for the files that also integrates the AI. 00:26:00.250 --> 00:26:06.330 So it lets you open up the files you're interested in and then talk to the AI in a chat window. 00:26:06.430 --> 00:26:09.030 But the AI can directly edit the files. 00:26:09.290 --> 00:26:14.530 So you can tell it which files to have sort of in memory, in context. 00:26:14.530 --> 00:26:19.610 And it will always have the current version to reference to and make edits to it. 00:26:19.690 --> 00:26:24.790 So before I had to keep saying, no, no, no, no, stupid. Here's the current version of the file. 00:26:25.030 --> 00:26:28.430 Please make changes to that and give me the new file. This way, 00:26:28.450 --> 00:26:33.770 it just makes the changes directly in the editor and does it with what's called a diff. 00:26:33.970 --> 00:26:36.730 So you can see exactly what it's changing. 00:26:36.950 --> 00:26:37.510 Okay, okay. 00:26:37.610 --> 00:26:40.530 So like one of the problems, I was actually doing this manually. 00:26:40.750 --> 00:26:43.690 When I cut and pasted into my editor, 00:26:43.690 --> 00:26:51.450 I was getting so frustrated with what I was doing that what I was doing was 00:26:51.450 --> 00:26:53.770 constantly always asking my 00:26:53.770 --> 00:26:58.090 text editor to do a diff from the new version to what was saved on disk. 00:26:58.370 --> 00:27:01.610 And I would look through the changes because this is one of the things. 00:27:01.670 --> 00:27:03.570 I could not just trust it. 00:27:04.170 --> 00:27:08.670 And say, whatever it gave me, just use it. I would have to go in, 00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:12.190 look at the diff, see what it was doing, see if it made sense. 00:27:12.810 --> 00:27:17.850 And then if it didn't make sense, go back and tell the AI, hey, 00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:20.670 no, what you're doing is messing this up. 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:26.350 Please try again or take this into account. And now with it in cursor, 00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:30.270 I could see those changes right directly in it. 00:27:30.310 --> 00:27:33.430 It was sort of automatic, and I could accept or reject each change. 00:27:33.430 --> 00:27:36.330 And it made it much nicer. 00:27:36.510 --> 00:27:42.210 And also it could handle editing simultaneously, several interrelated files. 00:27:42.570 --> 00:27:46.630 Like if you have several files that work together to accomplish things, 00:27:46.830 --> 00:27:50.990 it could handle that and say, you know, make these changes in this file and 00:27:50.990 --> 00:27:52.470 this changes in that file. 00:27:53.310 --> 00:27:58.770 And it made it much more useful immediately than using these independently and 00:27:58.770 --> 00:28:04.170 in cursor you actually can it integrates with the others so like i'm looking 00:28:04.170 --> 00:28:10.630 at my cursor right now and it can use gpt 4.0 cursor small clod 3.5. 00:28:10.630 --> 00:28:18.430 Sonnet and write in what language mini 01 mini right on preview and code in which languages well. 00:28:18.430 --> 00:28:24.910 I have i have done shell scripts php python and c sharp uh. 00:28:24.910 --> 00:28:30.010 Well i i was reading this week from a few a few different ones that you know 00:28:30.010 --> 00:28:34.510 related some development tools that i've heard some company that you know i 00:28:34.510 --> 00:28:39.090 i know very well has been developing and especially more related to languages 00:28:39.090 --> 00:28:43.730 programming languages where the expertise is like, 00:28:45.090 --> 00:28:50.090 The experts on that are not as available as they used to be. 00:28:50.450 --> 00:28:56.370 So think Cobalt. Yeah, Fortran, Cobalt, RPG, that kind of stuff. 00:28:56.470 --> 00:29:00.270 You know, stuff for IBM mainframe and stuff and so forth. And I can see how 00:29:00.270 --> 00:29:07.930 those tools could help people like somebody like me, for example, that knows some Cobalt. 00:29:08.110 --> 00:29:13.370 But I'm not, you know, I'm not that good. I was never that good with it. Okay. Yeah. 00:29:13.370 --> 00:29:14.750 And this helps me. 00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:18.190 You know, be able to develop certain things where, you know, 00:29:18.190 --> 00:29:21.570 I could tell it to do, you know, I could be helping it, instructing it. 00:29:21.630 --> 00:29:25.570 I could check what it's doing. I know that what it's doing, it's right or wrong. 00:29:26.070 --> 00:29:31.710 And it could help me, you know, make changes to programs and so forth and so on. 00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:37.390 This is a part of the key, too. Like, I'm mentioning the kinds of things I'm doing. 00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:42.270 I can get around this, but I am not a professional coder. 00:29:42.310 --> 00:29:42.470 Right. 00:29:42.470 --> 00:29:47.450 Like this is not what i've you know i i've i've built various things sort of 00:29:47.450 --> 00:29:53.430 by trial and error you know i don't i i do not follow best practices i do not 00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:59.770 know you're not an you know i don't you know i don't jump in like if i have 00:29:59.770 --> 00:30:01.810 one of these things you don't have you don't. 00:30:01.810 --> 00:30:03.530 Have your dev test. 00:30:03.530 --> 00:30:08.890 Yeah yeah production environments no i i do all the versioning. 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:11.310 You're You're not doing your versioning, Sam, damn it. 00:30:12.290 --> 00:30:15.210 Although with this cursor thing. 00:30:15.370 --> 00:30:17.150 One of the things is it's got versioning, yeah. 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:21.030 Well, no, it's not actually directly doing versioning, but it can integrate 00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:23.590 with the standard versioning tools and make it easy. 00:30:23.690 --> 00:30:26.050 So I'm like, maybe I should go ahead and set that up. 00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:28.850 And I'm thinking about it, whereas I never did before, right? 00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:32.550 Now you've got the ability to perhaps do it, you know? 00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:37.110 Yeah, I mean, well, I always had the theoretic ability. i could have done it 00:30:37.110 --> 00:30:40.890 but it's just like it's always seemed like too much trouble right exactly but 00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:46.230 but if i can do it in a couple clicks okay maybe maybe that's fine hey look i know listen. 00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:51.090 I know companies okay all right right now that supposedly big companies banks 00:30:51.090 --> 00:30:55.970 or whatever that are they're making fucking changes to production without even 00:30:55.970 --> 00:30:57.790 thinking about it okay so. 00:30:57.790 --> 00:31:00.610 Yeah yeah why would you do anything else i mean 00:31:00.610 --> 00:31:03.670 i do that all the time on my site exactly no no 00:31:03.670 --> 00:31:06.450 no one gives a shit about my sites is the difference right like 00:31:06.450 --> 00:31:09.750 right i mean i i you know i shouldn't say a quick 00:31:09.750 --> 00:31:17.870 tangent an election graphs note yeah i had a couple pieces of feedback via mastodon 00:31:17.870 --> 00:31:22.070 within the last few days and unlike what i mentioned like a few months ago there 00:31:22.070 --> 00:31:27.410 was some guy who like ripped me and said i was horrible and whatever no these are positive. 00:31:28.360 --> 00:31:32.320 Well, no, that was like four years ago. And Nate Silver had a point, 00:31:32.360 --> 00:31:33.740 I admit, although he's an asshole. 00:31:34.080 --> 00:31:39.040 Because I've actually since then fixed the thing that he was complaining about. 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:42.300 Well, he didn't actually complain about something specific. He just said, 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:43.700 I had no idea what I was talking about. 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:49.220 But it was in response to something that I later was like, yeah, okay, I'll adjust that. 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:55.680 Anyway, no, but I had someone mention, I love election graphs and check it way 00:31:55.760 --> 00:32:01.300 too often, but he found a typo, which I fixed right away. 00:32:01.540 --> 00:32:05.240 It had only been live on the site a couple hours, but he found a typo and I fixed it. 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.440 There've been a couple others where people have been confused by something and 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:10.600 I've answered them, which is nice. 00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:15.140 But then most recently, and this sort of tickled me a little bit. 00:32:15.700 --> 00:32:20.020 Hi, I'm an undergrad in poli-sci at Iowa State. 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:23.980 For one of my classes, we're looking at the electoral college as an institution 00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:29.700 and we're as a class project, making a website, making our own prediction of the Electoral College. 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.340 I came across your website, election graphs, and I was wondering if it would 00:32:34.340 --> 00:32:38.060 be all right if I could include the Electoral College map on the website that 00:32:38.060 --> 00:32:40.180 we're making. Thanks and best wishes. 00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:46.020 No, screw you. Where's my money? Pay me. Pay me, you clown. 00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:48.680 Dance, dance, dance for me. 00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:53.820 I, of course, pointed out that it was released under a Creative Commons license 00:32:53.820 --> 00:32:56.320 and he could do whatever he wanted as long as he you. 00:32:56.320 --> 00:32:58.400 Didn't make him dance dance you dance. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.500 Clown dance i i didn't make him dance it's 00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:07.740 it's a you know a what is it an attribution non-commercial share alike license 00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:11.900 so i'm like yeah just do that anyway back to the other thing so here's the thing 00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:17.520 like no i'm not an expert at this if i i have coded a variety of these kinds 00:33:17.520 --> 00:33:19.140 of things that i've mentioned before, 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.920 but it takes me a while. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.080 And every few minutes I'm looking up what's the syntax for that again. 00:33:25.220 --> 00:33:27.020 And I'm looking it up and I'm putting it together. 00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:33.680 And then I make stupid mistakes and I, I iterate and it just takes, this is a lot faster. 00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:38.200 Cause I'll like, I'll like put in my request and boom, it's spit out 40 lines 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:42.760 of code in a few seconds that, and all of the code is perhaps straightforward. 00:33:43.060 --> 00:33:48.040 I probably could have done it myself, but boom, it just did it. I didn't have to. 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:53.100 And then, and I didn't have to look up anything or check syntax or, 00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:58.200 you know, and sometimes it's like handling edge cases on its first shot out. 00:33:58.260 --> 00:34:02.080 Whereas I would have been like, fuck the edge case. I'll worry about it if it 00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:05.440 becomes a problem and it's already, but it's already taken care of. 00:34:06.040 --> 00:34:09.680 And, but then the thing that Alex wants me to talk about. 00:34:10.290 --> 00:34:17.290 Is that he has been teaching himself game development in unity through going 00:34:17.290 --> 00:34:19.890 back and forth with chat GPT for the most part. 00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:25.270 So like he's been building out all kinds of games of like he's built a Minecraft 00:34:25.270 --> 00:34:27.570 clone. He's built a subnautica clone. 00:34:27.870 --> 00:34:30.090 He's built a couple platformer games. 00:34:30.410 --> 00:34:34.530 He's built like a maze game, you know, all kinds of things. 00:34:34.570 --> 00:34:38.150 He's building all kinds of things. And one of the things he wants me to do on 00:34:38.150 --> 00:34:42.990 a regular basis is like when he's working on this, he likes it if I'm sitting 00:34:42.990 --> 00:34:47.550 at my desk a few feet away also working on Unity game development. 00:34:47.710 --> 00:34:50.830 Because he's like, I'm learning this. You should learn it too. 00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:54.510 Now, this is where the C Sharp I mentioned it comes in. 00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:58.730 Unity is a game development platform for those who aren't aware of it. 00:34:58.770 --> 00:35:01.750 It's one of the two biggest ones. 00:35:01.970 --> 00:35:04.930 What's the other one, Alex? Unity and? 00:35:05.710 --> 00:35:10.410 Anyway, it doesn't matter. Unity is one of the two big ones that lots of people use to develop games. 00:35:10.490 --> 00:35:14.510 And I'm talking like professional game developers use this crap. 00:35:14.810 --> 00:35:19.650 And, uh, you know, and I had no freaking clue. 00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:22.930 He, he, the first time he asked me to build a game, 00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:31.870 I built some stupid PHP or shell script to do a version of Flappy Bird in ASCII 00:35:31.870 --> 00:35:35.590 that was just rudimentary and dumb. Okay. 00:35:35.790 --> 00:35:38.890 I'm, I'm actually impressed with myself that I got it to do anything, 00:35:39.050 --> 00:35:43.190 but I, you know, and I did that one by hand, but no, he's wanting me to use 00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:47.310 these tools and use like, you know, a real something. 00:35:47.710 --> 00:35:53.410 And, and so I'm, I'm building this game and same kind of thing, 00:35:53.470 --> 00:35:57.010 building it up, starting out with something very stupid, very, 00:35:57.190 --> 00:35:59.850 well, look, I'll, I'll be honest. It's still very stupid. 00:36:01.470 --> 00:36:06.790 I've been working on this thing for months it's still a very basic very stupid 00:36:06.790 --> 00:36:10.630 game but it's actually started to get somewhat like, 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:16.840 actually entertaining to play. Like when I start playing, like it's got a high score list. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.820 Like I spent months building, just making the high score list work, 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.500 but like, you know, I actually like play it and I'm like, Oh, a new high score. 00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:27.720 And I get excited. And if I don't make the high score, I want to play again. Right. 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.160 And that's, that's a step forward. Cause like, and at first I dreaded these 00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:37.400 unity sessions because I was dealing with trying to get chat GPT to tell me what to do. 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:41.560 And all of the problems that I was talking about before were happening with 00:36:41.560 --> 00:36:46.740 it, forgetting what I was talking about with it, you know, regressing and eliminating 00:36:46.740 --> 00:36:48.280 huge portions of functionality. 00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:51.120 Once I finally gotten them fixed, when I added something new, 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:56.300 et cetera, but now that I'm doing it in this cursor environment that can handle 00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:00.940 multiple files open at the same time and show me the diffs every time it's just 00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:02.500 become a lot smoother and easier. 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.980 And so is this still what I would choose to do. Like Alex wants me to do this 00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:09.100 an hour a night, every night. 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.740 That's more than I am like wanting to do, but you know, it's less painful than 00:37:15.740 --> 00:37:18.420 it was. And I'm actually making faster progress. 00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:21.720 So in the last week or two, since I shifted my tools. 00:37:22.600 --> 00:37:29.780 I've actually moved from it being a really stupid game that was painful and 00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:36.440 that I did not enjoy joy working on to having something that I actually like I've been having, 00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:41.960 I'll admit I've been having fun and I've enjoyed playing the stupid game. 00:37:42.140 --> 00:37:46.520 It's still a stupid game, but I've enjoyed playing it and I've been making progress 00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:50.960 and I'm like, okay, at some point I'll be like, okay, I want to share this. 00:37:51.100 --> 00:37:55.340 Let some people, let some other people play this and see how stupid my game is. 00:37:55.520 --> 00:38:00.340 See, see, see how well Yvonne can do it. Getting at the high score list on this thing, you know, 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:08.860 I mean, literally, it's just a game that's basically about can you click on 00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:10.660 things quickly at the right times? 00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:15.740 That's it. That's, that's the gameplay, right? You know, but it's not. 00:38:15.740 --> 00:38:19.300 Not the first game at that. I mean, there's been a few of those. 00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:23.560 I mean, you know, but you know, I'm sure it's his own flavor of it, but yeah, I mean. 00:38:23.560 --> 00:38:29.360 We my, my own flavor, my own flavor, even Alex's games are sophisticated and 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.480 like 3d and like this stuff happening. 00:38:32.680 --> 00:38:37.960 Mine is like, you know, a stupid version of my face pops up and yells at you 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.060 and you have to click it, you know? 00:38:40.060 --> 00:38:45.440 So that's really annoying. You know, I remember writing a game to play blackjack. 00:38:46.020 --> 00:38:46.460 Yeah. 00:38:46.660 --> 00:38:50.480 You know, you would bet money and it would accumulate how much it did. 00:38:50.620 --> 00:38:56.340 Blah, blah, blah. You would keep going until you quit. I wrote that in basic a long time ago. 00:38:56.500 --> 00:39:01.200 But I must admit that I have no desire in doing that again. 00:39:02.080 --> 00:39:03.520 Well, you know, honestly, I had 00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:06.420 no desire to do it either. It's just it's something I'm doing with my son. 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:16.920 But, you know, the other thing is the fact that so much of this can be me giving 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.060 an English language description to an AI and it spitting out something that 00:39:21.060 --> 00:39:24.720 gets me 80% of the way there is making me think, 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:32.480 you know, I've got a little scratch note file with three or four ideas of new things I want. 00:39:32.660 --> 00:39:36.040 Like, you know, a few years back, I built Wiki of the Day. 00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:36.560 Sure. 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:41.980 I've built the website for curmudgeons corner that takes the RSS file and builds 00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:43.340 a website out of it, blah, blah, blah. 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.500 I've got a few other ideas of things that are like in my head. 00:39:46.520 --> 00:39:50.600 I'm like, Hey, I wonder if that could work where I have been before being like, 00:39:50.680 --> 00:39:55.720 yeah, that would be an interesting idea, but I don't have the coding skills to even like start. 00:39:56.520 --> 00:40:01.300 And now I'm like, you know, maybe, maybe I do because I mean, 00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:05.460 I still don't have the coding skills to start, but maybe I can start using the 00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:11.380 AI to sort of jumpstart me, build the framework, and then go from there and iterate. 00:40:11.680 --> 00:40:14.760 You know, so there are a couple of, and these aren't like super complicated 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:20.720 ideas either, but there are things where without this tool, honestly, 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.540 it's unlikely I would ever actually try. 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.860 Now I'm like, once the election is over and I don't have like election graphs 00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:32.700 going on and we get to December, January, maybe I'll like take some of these 00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:34.820 ideas for a spin and see if I can build anything. 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:38.760 Well, I will tell you that, you know, you've got your kid who's coding. 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.000 I have a friend of mine who also has this kid doing all these intellectual pursuits. 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.800 My son is very big into farting right now, as far as I can tell. 00:40:47.220 --> 00:40:49.960 And he thinks the farts are just absolutely hilarious. 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.020 And yeah, I would say that's probably the thing that he enjoys the most right now is farting. 00:40:57.730 --> 00:41:02.490 Yeah, that's nice. Well, just to summarize, I think that the bottom line on 00:41:02.490 --> 00:41:04.570 these AI tools is no, they're not perfect. 00:41:04.630 --> 00:41:07.510 No, they don't give you the right answer the first time around a lot of the 00:41:07.510 --> 00:41:13.090 time, but they make it easier to get started and iterate if you do not already 00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:15.590 know very well what you're doing. 00:41:15.590 --> 00:41:23.070 And so maybe for Greg and Bob, whose skills are undoubtedly better than mine 00:41:23.070 --> 00:41:25.850 at these things, maybe they would be a hindrance. 00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:31.310 But for someone with my level of know just enough to play around, 00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:33.810 but aren't really good at it. 00:41:34.270 --> 00:41:41.890 There are a whole bunch of things already that I've done that could I have done without the help? 00:41:42.310 --> 00:41:47.150 Probably. Probably, but the reality is I probably wouldn't have bothered because 00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:53.250 it would be like intimidating to start of like, man, that's going to take too much work. 00:41:53.370 --> 00:41:56.130 I'm going to have to figure out so much. It's going to take a bunch of time. 00:41:56.490 --> 00:42:02.930 Whereas with this tool, I can just tell it what I want and it gets me close 00:42:02.930 --> 00:42:07.670 enough that I'm like, oh, okay, I can iterate on this for like an hour or two 00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:09.330 and have exactly what I want. 00:42:09.330 --> 00:42:12.590 And this can be like a project that 00:42:12.590 --> 00:42:15.870 i can do in an evening as opposed to a 00:42:15.870 --> 00:42:20.590 project that i would have to clear out a weekend to even think about you know 00:42:20.590 --> 00:42:26.870 and so it's it's enabling me to do things that i just would have you wouldn't 00:42:26.870 --> 00:42:32.730 have been able to do i i again i could have but it would have but i well i wouldn't 00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:34.190 theoretically but you wouldn't have because. 00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:35.530 It's too time consuming yeah. 00:42:36.020 --> 00:42:40.960 Yeah, exactly. Like I would have said, this is too much. It's not worth the effort. 00:42:41.060 --> 00:42:46.720 Whereas now it's worth the effort. Now, is it worth the however many bottles 00:42:46.720 --> 00:42:53.140 of water per script that are being used to cool the data centers and all the 00:42:53.140 --> 00:42:54.900 electricity and blah, blah, blah. 00:42:55.160 --> 00:42:59.980 And I will admit, I have now paid for the monthly subscription for all three 00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:03.880 of the tools I I mentioned I am paying open AI and paying anthropic. 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:10.620 I am paying cursor and, and it started to add up, but none of these companies are profitable yet. 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:16.140 They're all like, they're all burning money at insane rates. 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.320 They have yet to prove that this kind of task, 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.980 this kind of thing can actually be a, 00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:28.420 a moneymaker without destroying the environment completely, 00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:31.500 but they're, but they're developing rapidly and this 00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:35.860 is right this is the whole thing of like they're in that land grab and we talked 00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:39.140 a little bit last week about lots of times the first mover companies aren't 00:43:39.140 --> 00:43:44.700 the ones that end up being the long-term successes but you know they're everybody's 00:43:44.700 --> 00:43:49.220 in the land grab right now of like this technology has lots of potential we 00:43:49.220 --> 00:43:50.660 can't afford to not be in it. 00:43:50.660 --> 00:43:54.880 No totally all right so okay so. 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.780 That's it that's. 00:43:56.780 --> 00:43:57.840 It let's go. 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:03.740 Talk about stuff and things okay we'll do a break and then we'll come back with 00:44:03.740 --> 00:44:10.660 yvonne's newsy segment and then we'll finish up with my newsy segment so here we go okie. 00:44:10.660 --> 00:44:12.600 Dokie here comes, 00:44:18.680 --> 00:44:21.780 It was just my internet being stupid. 00:44:22.680 --> 00:44:27.280 My internet being stupid is a new song we will make. 00:44:54.280 --> 00:45:01.480 Come on, I'm tired. 00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:05.280 What's wrong? I'm really tired. 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:09.220 It's amazing. Let's get the show on the road. 00:45:10.060 --> 00:45:14.440 There's a road? There's a road? Oh my god, there's a road! 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.780 Yvonne's a bit overwhelmed hearing this for the second time. 00:45:21.540 --> 00:45:24.200 You know, yeah, yeah. 00:45:25.310 --> 00:45:30.110 Oh, God. Yeah. I just, you know, I just mentioned, you know, 00:45:30.110 --> 00:45:31.710 how my son is into farting. 00:45:31.850 --> 00:45:38.370 And this is kind of like, you know, I actually fully expect him to. 00:45:38.650 --> 00:45:40.590 I've been hearing some of the stuff he's recording. 00:45:41.470 --> 00:45:44.330 If I show him this, he might start making some of this. 00:45:44.830 --> 00:45:46.210 There you go. There you go. 00:45:46.490 --> 00:45:48.470 Perfect. So, yeah. All right. 00:45:48.530 --> 00:45:52.170 So give him GarageBand on his computer. He can get started. 00:45:52.310 --> 00:45:56.430 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to get him. He actually has played a little bit with 00:45:56.430 --> 00:45:59.690 it, but I got to get him to get a little bit better with it. Okay. 00:46:00.470 --> 00:46:06.510 Actually, there's some really good looping things for the iPhone or iPad where 00:46:06.510 --> 00:46:13.330 you just have six recording loops that you can record a loop and add special effects to it. 00:46:13.410 --> 00:46:16.070 And they're just continuously playing and you can layer them on top of each 00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:18.410 other. You can do some cool things really quickly with those. 00:46:18.790 --> 00:46:20.890 Alex used to play with those a lot. Yeah. 00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:21.590 Okay. 00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:25.610 I need to find some of those recordings and add those as breaks. 00:46:25.810 --> 00:46:27.390 There you go. That's not a bad idea. 00:46:27.750 --> 00:46:28.190 Okay. 00:46:28.290 --> 00:46:28.930 All right. 00:46:29.050 --> 00:46:31.190 Okay, Vaughn, what's your topic? 00:46:32.930 --> 00:46:42.490 I'm debating here. You know, let me, okay, let's start with what the fuck is 00:46:42.490 --> 00:46:44.170 going on in the Middle East right now? 00:46:45.330 --> 00:46:51.790 Because it's been a week of shit going down. I mean, in between Israel. 00:46:52.550 --> 00:46:56.490 Let me, let me add just a follow up. Cause last time we talked about the middle 00:46:56.490 --> 00:46:58.430 East, we talked about the pagers blowing up. 00:46:58.430 --> 00:46:58.810 Right. 00:46:58.890 --> 00:47:03.530 And we were like, why now? Why are they doing it now? There must be more to 00:47:03.530 --> 00:47:04.990 this story that we don't know yet. 00:47:05.290 --> 00:47:10.670 And so the things that have come out since then are, well, a apparently Israeli 00:47:10.670 --> 00:47:17.490 intelligence had information that these pagers and the walkie-talkies were about to be exposed. 00:47:17.870 --> 00:47:24.150 So basically use it or lose it. Like they were about, they were on the verge of finding out. 00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:24.930 Figuring it out case. 00:47:25.190 --> 00:47:30.510 There were, there were some people that were getting suspicious and we're starting to investigate. 00:47:30.570 --> 00:47:36.130 So the, basically the Israelis knew that if they let a few more days go by. 00:47:36.270 --> 00:47:37.050 The gig was up. 00:47:37.730 --> 00:47:42.630 The gig was up. So it was use it or lose it at that point. And then also on 00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:49.130 top of that, once they did this, then it's like, okay, well. 00:47:49.550 --> 00:47:51.170 We declared war on Hezbollah. 00:47:51.430 --> 00:47:56.790 Part two of the plan, we blow up the pagers, we blow up the walkie talkies. 00:47:56.850 --> 00:48:01.430 Okay. Then we got to follow up with, with airstrikes for anybody we missed. 00:48:01.510 --> 00:48:06.470 And then we got to do a land invasion to start cleaning up the mess. 00:48:06.470 --> 00:48:09.390 Yes. And so that's been the escalation there. 00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:15.310 And they killed a number of leadership people with the pagers and stuff, 00:48:15.370 --> 00:48:20.690 but then they killed more, including the top guy, with airstrikes. 00:48:20.950 --> 00:48:26.230 And then that's when Iran retaliated with their, once again, ineffective strike. 00:48:26.370 --> 00:48:31.150 And now we are currently waiting to see, okay, what's Israel going to do in 00:48:31.150 --> 00:48:33.050 response? And that's kind of where we are. 00:48:34.790 --> 00:48:37.990 And of course the Gaza thing is still going on the whole time. 00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:40.430 And it's connected in various ways. 00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:45.870 From the reports of what's been going on related to in Iran... 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.620 After the aftermath of this is that their 00:48:50.620 --> 00:48:56.820 leadership has been in disarray related to what the hell did the iranian leadership 00:48:56.820 --> 00:49:00.800 the iranian yeah in iran that's why i was in the iranian leadership because 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:08.800 this entire thing hezbollah has been for the most part a funded and, 00:49:09.220 --> 00:49:18.500 you know, creation that Iran really, you know, it was their instrument for them 00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:21.920 to be basically putting pressure on Israel, 00:49:22.040 --> 00:49:25.040 okay, from that front. 00:49:25.680 --> 00:49:29.180 Hezbollah also is not exactly well, you know, beloved. 00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:33.160 You know, one of the things that I was reading that people forget, 00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:39.880 they were supporting Assad in Syria, okay? OK, they were supporting him very aggressively. 00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:47.220 Now, let's not remember how many hundreds of thousands of people died in Syria 00:49:47.220 --> 00:49:49.580 with support from Hezbollah. 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.660 Also, Hezbollah is not exactly. 00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:58.400 How do I say their methods of ensuring loyalty aren't. 00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:03.740 You know, they're not buying pizzas for people in order to ensure that they stay in line. 00:50:03.740 --> 00:50:11.940 In many cases if people are not you know happy so they're a bit you know very violent so there 00:50:12.120 --> 00:50:18.780 is this thing and the the thing is that shit they got decimated i mean from 00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:23.960 leadership structure on down this guy had been a leader of hezbollah for what 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:27.840 30 years long long time Long, long time. 00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:32.080 And not just him, but they got his lieutenants. 00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:38.220 And not just that, but this entire thing that Israel did with compromising their 00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:43.840 communications has made them completely paranoid about talking to one another, 00:50:44.100 --> 00:50:45.960 using any form of communication, 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.620 which makes it very hard. 00:50:48.620 --> 00:50:54.300 I mean, I can't imagine saying, think about that if I'm at my company and all 00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:57.800 of a sudden they tell me, well, your phones are compromised, 00:50:58.060 --> 00:51:01.320 your computers are compromised, your apps are compromised, everything's compromised. 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.380 So I'm like, how the fuck do I talk to my boss? 00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:07.460 What am I going to have to do? Do I have to get in the car and drive over there 00:51:07.460 --> 00:51:10.700 to talk to him? Am I sending notes? What the hell am I doing? 00:51:12.660 --> 00:51:13.340 Carrier pigeon. 00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:18.040 Carrier pigeons, yes. So it's been very crippling in that sense, 00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:23.500 and Iran got left with, well, what the fuck do we do? 00:51:24.600 --> 00:51:28.340 And while the retaliation they did, which is a retaliation they had done before, 00:51:28.680 --> 00:51:34.600 which didn't prove to be very effective in terms of having any control, 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.560 significant damage to israel from it other than i 00:51:39.560 --> 00:51:42.400 think one of the things that and i think they needed to do it because 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.220 of that from a pr standpoint at home 00:51:45.220 --> 00:51:47.940 they need to be shown that they did something and i'm 00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.880 sure they could spin it whatever the 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:54.040 hell way they wanted to obviously they'll tell everybody oh 00:51:54.040 --> 00:51:57.740 my god we decimated israel killed thousands 00:51:57.740 --> 00:52:02.060 probably i'm sure i don't know but i 00:52:02.060 --> 00:52:04.840 i see that from from that standpoint when you find 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.040 out that they thought they were about to be compromised and i 00:52:08.040 --> 00:52:13.380 also think look this had been the planning for a while obviously this wasn't 00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:18.760 new and i also think that bb probably pushed forward with it in such an aggressive 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:25.480 way because i'm pretty sure this proved to be popular for him at home to have done this and this is a 00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:29.640 guy like Trump that is also running to try to stay out of jail. 00:52:30.520 --> 00:52:31.000 Yep. 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:37.060 And so, and he figured that Hezbollah had so many people that hated it that 00:52:37.060 --> 00:52:44.640 in terms of that, well, we'll probably get away with this because everybody hates them anyway. 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.420 And so I think that was part of the calculation. Now, 00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:52.900 obviously the concern has been what the hell is this going to do with a Middle 00:52:52.900 --> 00:52:59.700 East that right now has all of a sudden Israel going and attacking in Lebanon 00:52:59.700 --> 00:53:02.200 with the situation in Gaza. 00:53:03.380 --> 00:53:07.000 Now, here's the interesting thing aside from this. 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:13.640 So the Hamas leadership, their leader, was saying that he was talking today 00:53:13.640 --> 00:53:18.200 that he's not looking for peace either. Right. 00:53:19.140 --> 00:53:21.000 It seems like no one is, really. 00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:25.200 No, no. Yeah, pretty much, which is part of the problem with this. 00:53:25.540 --> 00:53:30.000 He has said that he's blocked the ceasefire deal and has been frustrated that 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.260 Hezbollah and Iran have not come to his aid. 00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:37.420 So Hamas is really pissed off that they haven't come in and, 00:53:37.420 --> 00:53:44.420 like, you know, been all the way in on his strategy either. 00:53:44.420 --> 00:53:46.460 Either and by the way. 00:53:46.460 --> 00:53:51.100 You know this whole thing you know this goes back to part of reasons why hamas 00:53:51.100 --> 00:53:55.660 did this they felt that everybody forget about israel that. 00:53:55.660 --> 00:54:00.280 Everyone was ignoring them screwing them whatever we're like fuck you like israel 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.680 we want yeah israel was making peace with saudi arabia and all of these other 00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:11.800 uh gulf states and like we need to get attention back on us like One of the things, too, 00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:14.280 I said nobody's interested in making peace. 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:19.900 I did see one interesting statement. I think it was from the Jordanian foreign 00:54:19.900 --> 00:54:22.380 minister or something like that, basically, 00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:27.080 saying, you know, Israel keeps complaining there are no partners on the Arab 00:54:27.080 --> 00:54:31.000 side that want peace and want to recognize the state of Israel, blah, blah, blah. 00:54:31.120 --> 00:54:34.560 And he's like, look, I'm at this conference of Arab leaders right now. 00:54:34.620 --> 00:54:37.280 And I'll tell you right now, we are all here. 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.220 We are ready to do that right now. 00:54:40.660 --> 00:54:46.580 So if we go ahead with the two-state solution for the Palestinians and make 00:54:46.580 --> 00:54:51.720 that real, and this gets to the, and I think he even said 1967 borders, right? 00:54:51.820 --> 00:54:57.960 And this is the fundamental core of the problem, which is that vision of what 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:03.180 the future looks like is something that Israel is not willing to even remotely contemplate. 00:55:03.180 --> 00:55:07.780 Right now they're not contemplating that. That was on the table maybe like 20 00:55:07.780 --> 00:55:15.040 years ago, 25 years ago, but it's gotten like completely pushed off the map. Yes. 00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:20.880 Yeah. I mean, and this is one where like even the sort of, you can blame it 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.880 on Netanyahu, but even like the populace at large, for the most, 00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:27.280 that solution does not have majority support. 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.140 Well, of course. I mean, in large part. 00:55:29.300 --> 00:55:30.880 Especially after October 7th. 00:55:30.980 --> 00:55:34.440 Well, it's a reason why Netanyahu has been leader for so long. 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:39.240 Is it because it's just lost the support it had, you know, in the past? 00:55:39.660 --> 00:55:44.200 And, you know, as we've talked about, there was a moment in the 90s where that 00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:46.480 looked right on the verge of being possible. 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:51.020 Yeah. But that moment was lost. Yeah. And so what you have, like, 00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:55.380 in terms of the peace negotiations, for instance, 00:55:55.940 --> 00:55:59.540 you know, I've heard someone say, for instance, on the Hezbollah side, 00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:03.520 well, Hezbollah is not interested in a peace agreement. 00:56:03.520 --> 00:56:07.220 Well, the problem is Hezbollah wants an agreement that includes Gaza, 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.280 not just what's happening in Lebanon. 00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:13.940 And in terms of Gaza itself, you know, 00:56:14.720 --> 00:56:19.860 Hamas wants a solution that involves Hamas continuing to exist. 00:56:20.540 --> 00:56:25.680 Israel's baseline statement is we want Hamas to be destroyed utterly. 00:56:26.060 --> 00:56:30.500 So, of course, you're not going to have like Hamas is not going to agree to 00:56:30.500 --> 00:56:33.500 a peace settlement that involves their own destruction. Right. 00:56:33.700 --> 00:56:44.180 And and so and Israel is not, you know, bending at all on their ultimate goal. 00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.860 They're not willing to be clear. 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:48.080 It's not renouncing. 00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:51.700 No, I'm not renounced. Also, the elimination of Israel either. 00:56:51.780 --> 00:57:00.080 No, no, they're not. So basically, yeah, you end up in a scenario where both 00:57:00.080 --> 00:57:05.000 sides are saying, basically saying, yes, we'll agree to peace once we have completely won. 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:12.820 Right. Great. That sounds, you know, this sounds like a fight with a spouse. 00:57:15.140 --> 00:57:21.420 Yeah, let's try. Hey, I will. I will, you know, agree with you if you completely 00:57:21.420 --> 00:57:24.200 capitulate. How the hell does that go? Okay. 00:57:24.680 --> 00:57:27.920 You know, usually winds up in a divorce. Okay. 00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:33.660 No, no, no. Yvonne, the answer is she's right. Doesn't matter. She's right. 00:57:33.900 --> 00:57:34.560 That's another. 00:57:34.620 --> 00:57:35.540 That's how that ends. 00:57:35.660 --> 00:57:40.800 That's how that ends as well. Yeah. Well, you know, either winds up with she's 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.600 right or winds up in divorce court, basically. 00:57:44.040 --> 00:57:44.520 Yeah. 00:57:44.900 --> 00:57:47.420 That's pretty much the only scenarios here. 00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:54.940 Well, you know, this is one of those areas where like you, you kind of like you wish if, if like, if, 00:57:55.040 --> 00:58:00.640 if you had godly powers, you wish you could just take these parts of the world 00:58:00.640 --> 00:58:05.720 and just pick them up and separate them and put them on opposite sides of the 00:58:05.720 --> 00:58:08.660 planet and say, okay, leave each other alone. 00:58:08.860 --> 00:58:13.020 Time out. You, you have, you know, but you can't do that. 00:58:13.100 --> 00:58:16.800 Like you can't actually like lift up whole countries and move them. 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.820 I just saw somebody and you can and you certainly can't move the populations 00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:24.260 because that's all the whole ethnic cleansing idea is like, oh, 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.980 well, we'll we'll take you out of 00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:30.120 here and we'll move you to Suriname or something. No, you know, Siberia. 00:58:30.120 --> 00:58:35.660 I don't know. Whatever. Look, I just saw somebody make a joke and send out this 00:58:35.660 --> 00:58:41.440 but this map of the Middle East without without any of the borders drawn and 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.060 just say, hey, you draw about better. 00:58:47.150 --> 00:58:51.690 And i'm like yeah well that's well that's the whole. 00:58:51.690 --> 00:58:57.390 Fucking problem is that all the colonial powers drew stupid arbitrary lines 00:58:57.390 --> 00:58:59.490 a hundred and some years ago. 00:58:59.490 --> 00:59:03.510 Of course the problem is that all these fucking lines are always stupid arbitrary 00:59:03.510 --> 00:59:08.430 lines anyway it's like you know the fucking conflict listen i've got conflicts 00:59:08.430 --> 00:59:16.750 with like you know colombia and venezuela and yana and like Like Argentina with, you know. 00:59:17.010 --> 00:59:18.450 Bring back the goddamn Ottomans. 00:59:18.710 --> 00:59:22.690 Yeah, exactly. Bring back the Ottoman Empire. That's really what we need. 00:59:22.810 --> 00:59:24.950 We fucking missing the damn Ottoman Empire. 00:59:25.170 --> 00:59:28.770 That really would, you know, would clear things up a lot. Yes. 00:59:29.650 --> 00:59:34.950 Why don't we have the Ottoman Empire back? Was the Ottoman Empire any good? I don't even know. 00:59:35.490 --> 00:59:39.390 Well, it was one of those things where actually during its height, 00:59:39.390 --> 00:59:42.530 it was well known and for 00:59:42.530 --> 00:59:45.590 and they were tolerant they were a place 00:59:45.590 --> 00:59:49.790 where like all kinds of science and technology was flourishing there was real 00:59:49.790 --> 00:59:54.570 there were aspects of religious freedom even there there was all kinds of things 00:59:54.570 --> 00:59:59.330 at the height of the ottoman empire but like most empires as they went into 00:59:59.330 --> 01:00:04.490 decline things got worse and worse and there were problems and then And, 01:00:04.490 --> 01:00:08.170 you know, which is why the damn thing, like, fell apart in the end. 01:00:08.230 --> 01:00:14.830 Well, it was an absolute monarchy from 1299 to, I mean, you know, to 1876. 01:00:15.350 --> 01:00:20.670 And then there was some small periods of parliamentary constitutional monarchy. 01:00:21.390 --> 01:00:24.590 And then there was a triumvirate dictatorship, which is a kind of, 01:00:24.590 --> 01:00:26.610 you know, I really like the sound of that. 01:00:26.950 --> 01:00:31.450 I don't like conceptually what it is. 01:00:31.630 --> 01:00:36.790 So Yvonne, who's our third? Who's our third? Who do we go with to finish our triumvirate? 01:00:36.790 --> 01:00:43.130 For a triumvirate? You know what? I'll draft back Rebecca. She wouldn't be good at a dictatorship. 01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:45.370 Okay. Yeah, there you go. 01:00:45.490 --> 01:00:48.870 Yeah, Rebecca would be great at a dictatorship. You know, bless her, 01:00:48.910 --> 01:00:52.590 kick your or mine asses all regularly at a regular time. 01:00:52.590 --> 01:00:59.690 You know, I am fine with the three of us being a triumvirate dictatorship for the world. 01:00:59.770 --> 01:01:03.390 We will start by the whole damn world is going to UTC. Damn it. 01:01:03.730 --> 01:01:05.570 That's the first act. I like that. 01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:07.710 That's the first, first act. We're done. 01:01:07.870 --> 01:01:08.790 And the metric system. 01:01:08.870 --> 01:01:12.770 Anyway. And the metric system. Yeah. SI units. Yeah. 01:01:12.850 --> 01:01:16.370 And the metric system. And so, so anyway. 01:01:16.970 --> 01:01:21.470 Anyway. Yeah. Obviously that is a joke. I do not actually want to be dictator 01:01:21.470 --> 01:01:23.390 of the world. Just to be clear. 01:01:23.470 --> 01:01:27.150 Just I don't really want to be dictator in a world. 01:01:27.190 --> 01:01:32.370 But, you know, but I guess the Ottoman Empire, you know, fell. 01:01:32.510 --> 01:01:36.550 And so now we've got this. But there's a long time. If you think about Jesus 01:01:36.550 --> 01:01:40.530 Christ, I mean, it's I mean, 1299, basically the 1922. 01:01:41.470 --> 01:01:43.210 Yeah, it's a long time. 01:01:44.590 --> 01:01:51.010 So but but yeah, but but we really, you know, did a terrible job of of whatever 01:01:51.010 --> 01:01:52.270 the heck we did after that. 01:01:52.590 --> 01:01:55.790 I'm sure that, you know, it was an absolute monarchy. I don't know. 01:01:56.230 --> 01:02:03.610 I mean, people were generally in the, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15, 01:02:03.790 --> 01:02:06.450 16. It was especially, you know, they lived in misery. 01:02:06.530 --> 01:02:12.890 It was not alone in being an absolute monetary. It was not alone in being an 01:02:12.890 --> 01:02:16.610 absolute monarchy during those centuries. No, no, no, no. 01:02:16.610 --> 01:02:20.150 Not at all. That wasn't an outlier. That was exactly. That was a norm. 01:02:22.180 --> 01:02:26.880 No, but I do think that, you know, we forget that during that time period all 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:32.400 across the world, unless you were royalty and you were in a royal class, 01:02:32.580 --> 01:02:33.800 you basically lived like shit. 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:38.300 Well, and even then, I mean, some people have brought up comparisons like, 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:47.840 would you rather be in the bottom 20% income-wise in the United States today 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:52.620 or be the king of France 500 years ago? 01:02:53.780 --> 01:02:57.700 Pick the bottom 20% today. You're still better off. 01:02:58.460 --> 01:02:59.480 Than the king of France? 01:03:01.220 --> 01:03:05.820 Just imagine health care back then. Just imagine nutrition. 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:06.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:03:06.460 --> 01:03:09.500 Good cleanliness. Yeah. Yeah, okay. 01:03:09.640 --> 01:03:13.340 I mean, your life expectancy is low. 01:03:13.420 --> 01:03:13.800 You're going to die by 40. 01:03:14.040 --> 01:03:14.620 Yeah. 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:23.680 Yeah. Pick the poor person today over the richest person in the world hundreds of years ago. 01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:27.780 That's true. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point. 01:03:27.780 --> 01:03:31.120 Ah so so yeah the ottoman empire 01:03:31.120 --> 01:03:34.160 so well it's gone and so that's not 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:37.620 the solution for the middle east so i listen my 01:03:37.620 --> 01:03:41.900 my whole my biggest concern with this whole thing is an 01:03:41.900 --> 01:03:44.760 escalation uh you know at this 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:50.900 point obviously i would like to get peace at some point but look i mean hamas 01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:57.540 guy doesn't want a peace bb doesn't want peace nobody wants peace i mean you 01:03:57.540 --> 01:03:59.000 know hamas didn't want peace in 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.680 the first place which is why they launched this one of the things i heard. 01:04:02.680 --> 01:04:08.120 Someone mentioned i don't know a week or two ago like as this was spinning up 01:04:08.120 --> 01:04:12.460 i don't i have no idea who said this sorry it was some random person on mastodon 01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:17.160 but it stuck with me it's like a significant portion 01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:20.240 of what is going, 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.760 like, what's the right way to put this? 01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:30.720 Biden's number one priority in dealing with the Gaza situation has been preventing escalation. 01:04:31.220 --> 01:04:33.900 You could say that's his number one priority in Ukraine too, 01:04:33.980 --> 01:04:40.340 by the way, you know, and that take on things that, That, hey, 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:47.220 above all else, keep it from escalating further is part of what's pissing a 01:04:47.220 --> 01:04:51.580 lot of people off because they want to see more active intervention, 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.000 more like force BB to do this. 01:04:55.400 --> 01:05:01.060 Or, you know, or on the Ukraine side, let's be, let them use the weapons more 01:05:01.060 --> 01:05:02.860 broadly inside Russia or whatever. 01:05:03.240 --> 01:05:11.100 And so, and there's a trade-off with, you know, look, it's an impossible situation. 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:14.340 Here's the bottom line. It's an impossible situation. 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.020 Like if you had Biden, let's forget Ukraine for a second. Let's, 01:05:19.020 --> 01:05:20.300 we're concentrating on the Middle East. 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.400 Let's say he He went in there and right off the bat said, okay, 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:26.360 we're cutting off all armed shipments to Israel. 01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:30.480 Well, okay, you've just given up all leverage whatsoever over the situation. 01:05:30.580 --> 01:05:31.180 Right, which is what we said. 01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:35.880 Yeah. Maybe your leverage doesn't appear to be working all that great anyway, 01:05:36.100 --> 01:05:37.600 but if you did that, you have zero. 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:39.600 No, I'm with you. 01:05:39.980 --> 01:05:43.940 And then maybe you do get an escalation. 01:05:44.060 --> 01:05:49.840 And so, okay, you can envision, okay, the priority being getting the hostages 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:52.080 out ceasefire. Okay, I understand that. 01:05:52.180 --> 01:05:57.160 But like, it puts a different spin on everything. If your number one concern 01:05:57.160 --> 01:06:03.960 is how do we keep this from spiraling into something where every country in 01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:05.860 the fucking Middle East is at war with each other. 01:06:06.080 --> 01:06:09.480 And that is in the realm of possibility here. 01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:14.400 And so far, the lid has been kept on that. And it's been horrible for Gaza. 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:19.380 And it ain't that great for Lebanon. And it isn't even that great for Israel. 01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:22.740 No but but so 01:06:22.740 --> 01:06:31.460 far we don't have an all-out war with everybody and you could see scenarios 01:06:31.460 --> 01:06:36.880 where that happens you know maybe some of these missiles from iran actually 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:40.280 get through i mean some got through but there was no significant damage i believe 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.620 there was one person killed and they they were a Palestinian. 01:06:42.740 --> 01:06:49.840 So the Israelis don't care, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately. And, and, 01:06:50.010 --> 01:06:54.650 But you could see a situation where maybe one of these missiles got in and actually 01:06:54.650 --> 01:06:56.070 did significant damage. 01:06:56.150 --> 01:07:03.890 Israel retaliates now in a way that seems disproportionate and other countries 01:07:03.890 --> 01:07:06.050 feel like they have to jump in. 01:07:06.050 --> 01:07:12.410 Or you just end up with all out land war between several of these countries. 01:07:12.630 --> 01:07:19.110 And Jordan feels like they have to get involved or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. 01:07:19.990 --> 01:07:25.750 There are all kinds of ways this could spiral. So far, the lid has been kept on it. 01:07:26.550 --> 01:07:31.470 And if you are in one of the areas that is directly affected, it is horrible. 01:07:31.630 --> 01:07:37.670 The situation in Gaza for the last year now, We're two days away from the anniversary 01:07:37.670 --> 01:07:44.150 for the last year has been inexpressibly bad for civilians. 01:07:44.290 --> 01:07:49.210 Forget about Hamas for civilians, inexpressibly bad. 01:07:49.470 --> 01:07:54.970 The number of dead and injured and displaced is insane. 01:07:55.250 --> 01:08:01.170 And I, and I agree with the folks that it's, it's, it's disproportionate in 01:08:01.170 --> 01:08:03.010 a way that is not actually justified. 01:08:03.010 --> 01:08:08.230 Yes, Israel needs to defend themselves, but this is way past the boundaries 01:08:08.230 --> 01:08:10.410 of what a proportionate response would be. 01:08:10.490 --> 01:08:13.230 But it hasn't expanded. 01:08:13.530 --> 01:08:16.950 We haven't gone outside these areas. 01:08:17.270 --> 01:08:24.170 And to some degree, it's always hard to claim as an accomplishment the absence 01:08:24.170 --> 01:08:26.510 of a horrible counterfactual. 01:08:27.130 --> 01:08:30.830 But I think it actually is an accomplishment that it hasn't escalated. 01:08:31.250 --> 01:08:35.930 I don't know, but I, it's always weak sauce when you say, well, 01:08:35.990 --> 01:08:36.910 it could have been worse. 01:08:37.670 --> 01:08:41.270 No. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't nuke them. 01:08:41.670 --> 01:08:44.810 I mean, it's, it's pretty damn bad, but it could have been worse. 01:08:46.010 --> 01:08:52.030 Well, we could have nuked a hurricane. Apparently, MTG says that we can control the weather. 01:08:52.390 --> 01:08:55.870 Yes. Did you not see this? No, I'd seen this. And specifically, 01:08:56.290 --> 01:09:00.850 and you know, yeah, we can save this for the politics section. 01:09:01.130 --> 01:09:06.810 The bottom line is she thinks it's a Democratic plot to suppress votes in Republican areas. 01:09:08.010 --> 01:09:11.390 So we targeted the hurricane to go through the red areas. 01:09:11.950 --> 01:09:12.470 Yes. 01:09:13.770 --> 01:09:17.550 I didn't know we were that smart. I mean, if we were that fucking smart, 01:09:17.630 --> 01:09:20.770 you know what, if we're that good, do you know the other shit that we could 01:09:20.770 --> 01:09:23.770 be doing to make sure that we win this fucking election? 01:09:23.990 --> 01:09:28.570 You know, I mean, you know how, you know, there's a lot of other shit. 01:09:29.270 --> 01:09:33.350 Okay. Anything else you want to sum up on the Mideast before we move on? 01:09:34.170 --> 01:09:39.010 Ah, no, it's just, you know, every time we talk about this, it's just depressing. 01:09:39.290 --> 01:09:41.270 It's, it's, yes, it's depressing. 01:09:41.610 --> 01:09:45.670 It was just, you know, can we find a viable solution? 01:09:46.010 --> 01:09:55.010 No, no, there is no viable solution given the people involved right now that 01:09:55.010 --> 01:09:57.830 we could say, OK, this this has a chance. 01:09:58.940 --> 01:10:04.360 You know, it makes the sort of colonial mind. I mean, we talked about the Ottoman Empire. 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:09.860 We it makes the colonial mindset tempting. And I realize that probably would 01:10:09.860 --> 01:10:11.940 cause more trouble, not less. 01:10:12.120 --> 01:10:15.360 But it makes you want to say, screw them all. 01:10:16.100 --> 01:10:22.140 Bring in the UN protectorate. Take over the entire region and just impose peace 01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:25.960 by force for several generations. And hopefully it'll stick. 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.960 And then we'll set back the borders. 01:10:30.740 --> 01:10:37.160 No, I get that. I mean, I don't know. Look, even one of the things that happened 01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:46.440 with the Iraq war and in Libya is that even with all the oppression that Gaddafi and Saddam did, 01:10:46.580 --> 01:10:51.100 many Iraqis and Libyans have both expressed, 01:10:51.260 --> 01:10:55.720 oh, my God, it was better than this fucking mess we live in now. 01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:03.560 Well, and also what I just described is effectively what we tried to do in Afghanistan 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.500 that we eventually got out of, 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:13.960 which we, we sat there with troops propping up a, a government that did not have the level of, 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:21.780 of native support to last on its own and sort of imposed a piece on certain 01:11:21.780 --> 01:11:24.640 parts of Afghanistan that we maintained in control. 01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.240 Control as long as we were right it 01:11:28.240 --> 01:11:31.540 didn't take it didn't take like if 01:11:31.540 --> 01:11:34.940 you were in the bubble that was protected during 01:11:34.940 --> 01:11:37.780 the time of that bubble you were okay for 01:11:37.780 --> 01:11:43.020 a while but in the end it's like you couldn't you couldn't sustain doing it 01:11:43.020 --> 01:11:49.720 forever and it was not really yeah in the end people have to control their own 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:56.180 destinies you cannot impose from outside solutions like that It just, it doesn't work. 01:11:56.320 --> 01:11:59.820 Well, well, well, well, well. Look. 01:12:00.630 --> 01:12:02.970 After World War II, we did impose 01:12:02.970 --> 01:12:06.990 some of this on certain places that had been at war for a long time. 01:12:07.150 --> 01:12:14.750 But with quite a lot more resources than we would ever be willing to commit to that. 01:12:14.890 --> 01:12:19.650 I mean, let's be clear. The Germans and the French had been at war twice in 01:12:19.650 --> 01:12:22.050 fucking, you know, inside 40 years. 01:12:22.230 --> 01:12:25.950 And well, okay, so we occupied fucking Germany. 01:12:25.970 --> 01:12:29.050 We fucking partitioned it. we fucking you 01:12:29.050 --> 01:12:32.510 know basically purged everybody we created 01:12:32.510 --> 01:12:36.250 elections i mean well we purged everybody at the top one of the things that 01:12:36.250 --> 01:12:40.770 we that in there that we did that that we didn't do again was a lot of the administrative 01:12:40.770 --> 01:12:46.330 functions below that were kept which was the mistake i heard many talk about 01:12:46.330 --> 01:12:51.810 in iraq where oh well we have to debathify so we got rid of all the structures Well, 01:12:52.890 --> 01:13:00.910 and they argued that that was the biggest mistake and why there was so much chaos post the war. 01:13:01.070 --> 01:13:04.810 Yeah. And to be clear, we still have a military presence in both Germany and 01:13:04.810 --> 01:13:06.330 Japan 80 plus years later. 01:13:06.550 --> 01:13:09.010 Right. 80 plus years later. 01:13:09.310 --> 01:13:14.510 Now, we're not at war with either country. It's not a contentious relationship for the most part. 01:13:14.610 --> 01:13:20.750 But, you know, yeah, we're still it's not like we've never left. We've never left. 01:13:21.890 --> 01:13:23.550 Yeah so okay. 01:13:23.550 --> 01:13:25.510 Shall we shall we take a break let's. 01:13:25.510 --> 01:13:25.930 Take a break. 01:13:25.930 --> 01:13:28.210 We'll be back after this. 01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:35.480 You're supposed to say do-do-do. Do-do-do! Alex Zemzula! 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.360 Alex Zemzula is awesome. Its videos are fun. 01:13:40.620 --> 01:13:47.340 And today, once again, we have one of our most loyal subscribers here to tell 01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:48.920 you how awesome Alex Zemzula is. 01:13:49.380 --> 01:13:56.080 I'd say, on a rate from 1 to 10, Alex Zemzula is awesome at, I don't know, 37? 01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.780 82? he's pretty radical his 01:13:59.780 --> 01:14:03.740 videos are phenomenal they're full of creativity and 01:14:03.740 --> 01:14:06.940 they're so funny and exciting to watch 01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:09.900 wow what happened to your voice then Amy 01:14:09.900 --> 01:14:17.280 was that dad pretending to be you because the audio was distorted when it really 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:27.420 wasn't because I told him to yes good job on remembering dad do do do okay. 01:14:27.420 --> 01:14:33.940 We are back and so of course i'm gonna pick election 2024 and everything related 01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:40.100 to it for my topic can i are you surprised about the fucking election okay you know you. 01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:46.720 Would set this note related to what was happening in the year 2016 and what 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.140 the cover of the new york times was talking about back. 01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:53.860 Wait i did what oh yeah yes i remember this i remember that i forwarded i I 01:14:53.860 --> 01:14:58.140 forwarded some article or some note from somebody who made a point about that. 01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.680 When I share things, by the way, it does not necessarily mean I am endorsing 01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:03.600 him. It just means I think. 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:07.840 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I realize that. But the reason I'm bringing it up 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:13.480 is because, you know, I realize, you know, one of the things that I know that 01:15:13.480 --> 01:15:15.480 he was complaining about the coverage of giving to Trump. 01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:23.480 But man, it's just the shit that has happened, like just in the last week that Trump has said, OK? 01:15:23.860 --> 01:15:32.160 Just the last week, he literally went on a speech last weekend and advocated a purge. 01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:39.340 And so, okay, so, and a purge, I mean, this comes from the movie called The 01:15:39.340 --> 01:15:40.940 Purge, okay, literally. 01:15:41.340 --> 01:15:43.560 That was like- Never seen it. 01:15:43.620 --> 01:15:45.040 I guess I have to add it to my list now. 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.320 Look, I don't think I've seen the whole movie, okay? 01:15:49.440 --> 01:15:54.060 All right? I think I flipped through it once when it was on one of those linear 01:15:54.060 --> 01:15:56.680 channels, okay? It was out like 10 years ago. 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:03.640 But the main concept of the movie was that there would be one day a year when 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:07.280 all crime would be legal, like literally all crime. 01:16:07.620 --> 01:16:14.460 So say on that day, if I wanted to murder you, Sam, I could do it that day and it would be legal. 01:16:15.110 --> 01:16:16.370 OK, it'd be legal. Right. 01:16:16.450 --> 01:16:19.590 Yes. You know, I could not be prosecuted for doing that. 01:16:19.930 --> 01:16:24.230 And, you know, people are speculating the way that he talked about it. 01:16:24.270 --> 01:16:26.670 It's like, I guess he just watched this this week. 01:16:26.750 --> 01:16:29.010 So because now we're off Hannibal Lecter. 01:16:29.170 --> 01:16:32.530 OK, which I haven't heard him referred to like recently. 01:16:32.530 --> 01:16:34.010 In a few little bits, yeah. 01:16:34.210 --> 01:16:44.030 Yeah, and now we're on to a purge where basically he wants a day that in the U.S. 01:16:44.110 --> 01:16:50.250 Where you could commit any crime and it would be illegal. 01:16:50.670 --> 01:16:56.510 Just to be clear, that is not directly what he said. That's how people are interpreting what he said. 01:16:56.510 --> 01:16:57.270 No, no, no, no, no. 01:16:57.270 --> 01:16:59.430 Wait, wait, wait, wait. What he said. 01:16:59.610 --> 01:17:01.910 Of a limited legal violence. 01:17:02.650 --> 01:17:04.670 That all laws were suspended. 01:17:05.070 --> 01:17:05.870 And so the way. 01:17:05.910 --> 01:17:07.090 The all laws. 01:17:07.090 --> 01:17:09.830 The way that. Yeah. The way he described it. 01:17:09.850 --> 01:17:12.370 He just had a very violent day. Read the quote. Read the quote. 01:17:12.390 --> 01:17:14.690 Well, the quote. But yeah. And 01:17:14.690 --> 01:17:18.570 it was like, well, he described what the fucking purge was in the movie. 01:17:18.990 --> 01:17:22.230 Yeah. He didn't go into that level of detail. He didn't say. 01:17:22.590 --> 01:17:28.190 He just said we could take care of the problem. problem with a day like a very 01:17:28.190 --> 01:17:33.370 violent he said a very violent day yes right he did not go through and it should 01:17:33.370 --> 01:17:36.010 be legal and blah blah blah blah blah but he didn't say all that he just said 01:17:36.010 --> 01:17:40.530 we could take care of all kinds of our problems by just having a very very very 01:17:40.530 --> 01:17:42.090 violent day to take right. 01:17:42.090 --> 01:17:46.470 Yeah so so i mean we're all speculating that he must have watched the purge 01:17:46.470 --> 01:17:50.250 in in recent days But but look, my whole point is. 01:17:50.290 --> 01:17:51.830 Yes, you have a point. 01:17:52.050 --> 01:18:00.710 Yes. In our lifetimes, if any other politician would have gone on the campaign 01:18:00.710 --> 01:18:04.050 trail and advocated for this, 01:18:04.110 --> 01:18:07.970 I mean, the next day they would have been, you know. 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:10.720 Their candidacy would be over. 01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:20.340 There are so many things that Donald Trump has said or done that going back all the way to 2015, 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:26.740 where if anybody else had said or done that thing, they would be gone the next day. 01:18:26.780 --> 01:18:27.000 It would be over. 01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:33.340 Like there are hundreds of things in that category. Actually, thousands. 01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:34.860 Yeah. 01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:37.960 And yet here we are. 01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:45.640 And yet here we are. It's just mind-boggling. And then during this week, 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:53.380 add to that, his wife came out and said that she is pro-choice. 01:18:54.260 --> 01:18:54.300 Right. 01:18:54.780 --> 01:19:01.220 And I'm like, she hasn't been on the campaign trail with him for I don't know how long. 01:19:01.700 --> 01:19:07.760 She's written a fucking book and has come out gung-ho pro-choice. 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:12.200 And I'm like, what in all fucking hell? 01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:20.880 I mean, when in ever had you seen the wife of a candidate, 01:19:20.980 --> 01:19:25.640 first of all, not appear for months because nobody has, you know, 01:19:25.660 --> 01:19:31.220 she's not made a single fucking, she didn't even go to the fucking convention with him. OK, right. 01:19:31.380 --> 01:19:36.120 I mean, and now when she comes out one month before the election, 01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:45.760 she is diametrically opposed to one of his primary accomplishments that he has, 01:19:45.900 --> 01:19:51.340 you know, you know, tooted his horn about during this campaign. 01:19:51.340 --> 01:19:56.200 Pain and she's basically just come out against them and it's like nobody cared either. 01:19:56.200 --> 01:19:59.600 Well some people i've said 01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:03.480 i've heard talking about how actually this is 01:20:03.480 --> 01:20:08.660 once again trump doing five dimensional chess because it softens the republican 01:20:08.660 --> 01:20:13.860 position on abortion because hey look here's somebody who's pro-choice that 01:20:13.860 --> 01:20:22.560 is still presumably voting for her husband although Although we're. 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:23.460 Not sure about that. 01:20:24.500 --> 01:20:26.660 Okay. So let me get it. 01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:34.320 How the hell, how, what the fuck did we do wrong? What did we do wrong, Sam? 01:20:34.780 --> 01:20:38.620 To get on this, like to deserve this timeline. Yes. 01:20:38.740 --> 01:20:40.760 What the fuck did we do wrong? 01:20:41.140 --> 01:20:41.620 Okay. 01:20:43.050 --> 01:20:44.170 I don't understand. 01:20:45.310 --> 01:20:49.770 Okay, just to clean up loose ends. First of all, the article that Yvonne was 01:20:49.770 --> 01:20:53.690 referring to was called Election Countdown, 32 Days to Go, Two Contrasting Front 01:20:53.690 --> 01:20:59.190 Pages from James Fallows, published on his sub stack on October 3rd. 01:20:59.190 --> 01:21:04.990 And it basically looks at the New York Times from when they were blasting the 01:21:04.990 --> 01:21:09.110 whole thing about the Clinton email scandal versus, you know, 01:21:09.110 --> 01:21:13.390 we had the unsealing of new evidence in Donald Trump's January 6th case. 01:21:13.470 --> 01:21:17.710 And it's a much, much smaller little thing on the New York Times. 01:21:18.250 --> 01:21:23.530 But I want to start with, as usual, the election graph stuff, 01:21:23.690 --> 01:21:26.750 just to give a poll update of where we are. 01:21:26.750 --> 01:21:34.450 So, first of all, we still have the same seven too-close-to-call states, essentially. 01:21:35.170 --> 01:21:39.650 Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina. 01:21:40.010 --> 01:21:47.930 Those are the key seven, and they are still, as of this moment, 2% or less in margin. 01:21:47.930 --> 01:21:53.790 However, the main change since last week is, first of all, national polls, 01:21:53.950 --> 01:21:58.130 about the same, not any significant change over the last week. 01:21:58.290 --> 01:22:04.210 But in state polls in those particular states that I just listed, 01:22:04.330 --> 01:22:10.290 the ones that matter, there have been a bunch of good polls for Trump in the last week. 01:22:10.290 --> 01:22:17.530 And so we've moved from too close to call, but with a slight edge for Harris 01:22:17.530 --> 01:22:23.390 to too close to call with a slight edge for Trump at the moment. 01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:29.050 Because right now, in my averages, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, 01:22:29.290 --> 01:22:33.470 and North Carolina have all flipped over, are all now on the Republican side. 01:22:34.030 --> 01:22:37.270 North Carolina was before, but Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania, 01:22:37.430 --> 01:22:41.430 I believe, were slightly on the Harris side when we talked a week ago. 01:22:41.570 --> 01:22:46.510 Now they're slightly on the Trump side. But I honestly... 01:22:47.240 --> 01:22:51.000 The bottom line is they're still, they're right on the edge. 01:22:51.160 --> 01:22:58.440 Like the difference between a state being 1% on the Trump side versus 1% on 01:22:58.440 --> 01:23:02.240 the Harris side is really not that much. 01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:07.060 Like the very next poll that comes out can flip it back to the other side. 01:23:07.160 --> 01:23:09.300 Bottom line is they're still too close to call. 01:23:09.480 --> 01:23:16.460 Again, like with, if I took my naive method that I've used since 2008 of just 01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:22.220 do the poll averages and any state that's under 5% margin could go either way. 01:23:22.380 --> 01:23:27.500 That gets you a range. It does have right now, if everybody wins the states 01:23:27.500 --> 01:23:30.380 they're ahead in, has Trump ahead by 32 electoral votes. 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:39.680 But the range of possibilities is from Harris winning by 174 to Trump winning by 86. 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:43.920 So massive range of 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:47.420 possibilities that include both sides winning if you 01:23:47.420 --> 01:23:50.920 look at my probabilities which look 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:57.220 at you know how far off polls were from the final results in the last four election 01:23:57.220 --> 01:24:06.080 cycles so 2008 2012 2016 and 2020 one thing that's happened is my i added a 01:24:06.080 --> 01:24:10.200 couple months ago a version of accounting for time left before the election, 01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:13.380 because before that I only had if the election was today. 01:24:13.580 --> 01:24:18.100 Those two have now pretty much converged. A month ago, 01:24:18.380 --> 01:24:23.120 there was a lot of additional room for change that basically said, 01:24:23.220 --> 01:24:30.000 hey, a lot can potentially change between August and November. 01:24:30.480 --> 01:24:33.800 Well, now they're going like, you only got a month left. 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:41.200 Things tend not to change as much in the last month so they're more saying like 01:24:41.200 --> 01:24:47.060 well you know okay what you see is what you're gonna get probably now, 01:24:48.020 --> 01:24:53.660 Things do change in the last month. Specifically, we all remember the last two 01:24:53.660 --> 01:24:57.460 weeks in 2016, the picture changed entirely. 01:24:57.820 --> 01:25:04.320 I'm sorry. 2016, at this point, like, you know, we had the Hollywood tape. 01:25:04.700 --> 01:25:11.540 Yes, yes. Think like the right news event can like explode everything and change 01:25:11.540 --> 01:25:17.220 everything. In 2016, we're talking about crazy stuff happening right now. 01:25:17.440 --> 01:25:21.580 In 2016, we had Access Hollywood. We had the Comey letter. 01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:27.980 We had a drip, drip, drip of letters from Clinton emails or emails from Clinton. 01:25:28.140 --> 01:25:33.700 You know what I mean. You had a bunch of things happen that potentially would make a big difference. 01:25:34.220 --> 01:25:37.980 And the Comey letter specifically moved things quite a bit just in the last 01:25:37.980 --> 01:25:40.960 two weeks. So I'm not saying at all things can't happen. 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:47.660 It's just the room for things to change is getting smaller because we just don't 01:25:47.660 --> 01:25:48.620 have that much time left. 01:25:48.700 --> 01:25:53.100 And the other difference is people have always said, you know, 01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:56.780 when people really start to tune in is after Labor Day. Guess what? 01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:02.160 We're now well after Labor Day. Like, so, you know, there's lots and lots of 01:26:02.160 --> 01:26:06.680 rooms for things to change around before Labor Day. But now things are things are settled down. 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:13.620 If you if you look at my charts, there was this big move towards Harris when she first took over. 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:19.520 But since then, things have just been bouncing around like within a range, essentially. 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:26.340 Now, we are at the worst point for Harris at this point in the state polls since 01:26:26.340 --> 01:26:28.280 the first week she was in. 01:26:28.940 --> 01:26:33.340 But I will say that a lot of the polls that came out. 01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:40.320 I was about to say this. Like, just as an example, let me let me give you the 01:26:40.320 --> 01:26:44.460 five most recent polls in Pennsylvania, who they were from. 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:45.060 Right. 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:47.060 On message. Right. 01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:53.600 Patriot Polling, Emerson, Trafalgar, and Atlas Intel. 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:58.400 Now, of those, Emerson is the only one that's sort of a well-known pollster. 01:26:58.460 --> 01:27:03.100 And they've been an outlier on the Trump side this cycle. 01:27:03.280 --> 01:27:08.180 They've been more Trumpy than other polls, even though they're a well-known, respected pollster. 01:27:08.260 --> 01:27:14.680 All of the others are small, little, no-name pollsters, some of which have known rightward leans. 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:15.560 Right. 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:22.940 So it is very possible that the next batch of polls that comes out will be in the other direction. 01:27:23.180 --> 01:27:24.260 That's what I was saying. 01:27:24.380 --> 01:27:28.840 And this is where I get to the whole thing of like all of these. 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:36.200 Like if you're trying to make a distinction between the polls averaging out the poll, 01:27:36.300 --> 01:27:41.740 not just the individual polls, but the poll averages between having one candidate 01:27:41.740 --> 01:27:44.680 up by 1% and having the other candidate up by 1%. 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:53.620 No, it's we just don't have that level of precision with since during the month of September. 01:27:53.700 --> 01:28:01.760 OK, we have had polls in Pennsylvania ranging from Harris up by six percent 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:04.500 to Trump up by three percent. 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:08.880 It's nutty. It's just nutty. I just it's nutty. 01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:15.080 And the thing is that as this era, the last few election cycles, 01:28:15.100 --> 01:28:21.080 has continued with the, how do I say, 01:28:21.240 --> 01:28:25.620 it's this entire partisanship that has been inserted into polling. 01:28:25.620 --> 01:28:28.460 Polling we keep seeing these swings now 01:28:28.460 --> 01:28:31.740 where it's oh wait we get all these 01:28:31.740 --> 01:28:34.480 polls from you know all these 01:28:34.480 --> 01:28:37.420 right-wing polls you shift 01:28:37.420 --> 01:28:42.080 election towards the other side then you get the other polls and you get some 01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:47.200 straight polls and there's also some partisan democratic polls as well that 01:28:47.200 --> 01:28:53.120 are aren't there as well and it really you know and i it seems to me that a 01:28:53.120 --> 01:28:55.720 lot of the times A lot of these Republican pollsters, 01:28:55.880 --> 01:29:00.100 they're synchronizing when they're launching all of these at the same time because 01:29:00.100 --> 01:29:01.880 they understand how the models work. 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:08.560 We did have a news article this last week that I really should have paid more attention to, 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:14.600 but it was basically some evidence came out about Rasmussen in particular actively 01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:19.060 coordinating with the Trump campaign on what they were polling and when they were releasing it. 01:29:19.060 --> 01:29:21.800 Had to be. Had to be. It has to be. 01:29:21.900 --> 01:29:26.400 They're coordinating in order to launch these polls at the same time in order 01:29:26.400 --> 01:29:29.940 to give people, hey, look, look, look, we're doing better. We're doing better. 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:36.040 And, you know, so I think that that's a lot of the bullshit that's going on. 01:29:37.020 --> 01:29:41.600 And so it's very, but like you said, the whole point is like, 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:46.660 I, I, I've seen a, you know, a lot of the pollsters or whatever is that we are 01:29:46.660 --> 01:29:51.060 where we are, where it's a razor thin margin and we could be facing another 01:29:51.060 --> 01:29:53.680 fucking Trump term. It's a reality. 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:59.340 It's just, you know, and it's all at this very. 01:29:59.460 --> 01:30:05.800 At this, I had mentioned my allowing for time left was converging with the, 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:11.520 if the election was today, but my bottom line, right, right now at this very 01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.040 second with my current poll averages, 01:30:14.200 --> 01:30:19.300 I I'm given, I'm only giving Harris about a quarter percent, 01:30:19.340 --> 01:30:22.960 like between, between 22 and 25% roughly. 01:30:23.180 --> 01:30:27.000 So I am favoring Trump, but not by an overwhelming margin. 01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:32.080 25% ain't nothing. That's a decent chance. So it's still, I would consider a 01:30:32.080 --> 01:30:35.200 toss up unless unless that number gets down to like 10% or something, 01:30:35.300 --> 01:30:40.540 but like it's, it's still too close to call and it's very, very volatile. 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:42.560 It's very volatile. That's the problem. 01:30:42.620 --> 01:30:47.800 All of this depends. There are so many States that are so fucking close. 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:53.640 It just, it's like, you know, if, if Pennsylvania, if, if like you said, 01:30:53.700 --> 01:30:58.360 if there are a few more polls that are, if we have another couple of polls that have Harris. 01:30:58.380 --> 01:30:59.880 It swings in the other way. 01:30:59.900 --> 01:31:05.140 It swings in the other way. so i'm looking at this point at how much things 01:31:05.140 --> 01:31:09.180 are going back and forth and it's estimating. 01:31:09.180 --> 01:31:11.720 25 other ones are like i was looking at the. 01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:13.220 They're all over they have. 01:31:13.220 --> 01:31:17.740 It 54 hours 48 which is basically a fucking toss-up you. 01:31:17.740 --> 01:31:18.360 Know you're. 01:31:18.360 --> 01:31:20.380 Looking at it i mean um. 01:31:20.380 --> 01:31:26.680 And by and by the way like if my my thing is very very sensitive like if we 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:34.980 get like it it was a week ago let's see i Let me not lie, I have the actual number here. 01:31:36.390 --> 01:31:39.670 Here we go 01:31:39.670 --> 01:31:42.490 just comparing now to a week 01:31:42.490 --> 01:31:45.270 ago one week ago i had 01:31:45.270 --> 01:31:47.870 harris's shot at 50 now i have it 01:31:47.870 --> 01:31:50.890 at 25 right and it could 01:31:50.890 --> 01:31:56.930 easily go back to being 50 with just a handful of polls in the right states 01:31:56.930 --> 01:32:03.270 moving at the right direction yeah and so all we can really say is it's it's 01:32:03.270 --> 01:32:08.470 really it it I made the distinction last week, and I'll make it again today. 01:32:08.930 --> 01:32:16.090 It's not saying that the final results will be razor thin on election night. 01:32:16.370 --> 01:32:20.770 It could be either side winning by a decent margin. 01:32:21.050 --> 01:32:26.390 What it is is it's close enough that we don't have the skill through polling 01:32:26.390 --> 01:32:29.150 to tell the difference, to tell who's leading. 01:32:29.310 --> 01:32:32.110 We have to wait till election night. and it 01:32:32.110 --> 01:32:37.590 it could end up being razor thin and we're waiting for like a week to find out 01:32:37.590 --> 01:32:43.150 who won it could wind up being a blowout or yeah i mean like fuck like the the 01:32:43.150 --> 01:32:46.930 other part of this the average in florida is down to trump being only ahead 01:32:46.930 --> 01:32:50.690 by 2.9 percent harris could win florida if. 01:32:50.690 --> 01:32:55.550 Harris wins florida it's all fucking over this would be the craziest fucking 01:32:55.550 --> 01:32:57.490 outcome the fucking and the other one's Florida. 01:32:57.710 --> 01:33:00.490 I mean, you know, oh God. 01:33:01.670 --> 01:33:05.610 As long as you don't do the hanging Chad thing again and everything's up to 01:33:05.610 --> 01:33:07.670 Florida and you mess up the election. 01:33:07.790 --> 01:33:11.950 This will not happen. I know you fixed it like 20 years ago. 01:33:12.070 --> 01:33:12.430 But yeah. 01:33:12.770 --> 01:33:16.830 But listen, the newer machines that we've got now, 01:33:17.630 --> 01:33:23.050 are, man, this is, you get, not just that you have the ballot, 01:33:23.250 --> 01:33:25.090 there's printed receipts. 01:33:25.870 --> 01:33:33.390 So you, if you want to go to a recount, you have the computer result, okay, tabulated. 01:33:33.490 --> 01:33:35.810 You have the scan result and a receipt. 01:33:36.070 --> 01:33:41.050 I mean, you have a triple, you know, triple redundancy here in Palm Beach right 01:33:41.050 --> 01:33:43.290 now. You know, don't fucking wait. 01:33:44.070 --> 01:33:49.630 It's happening. Okay. Okay, so we're covered on that. Okay. 01:33:50.210 --> 01:33:55.750 Yeah. So anyway, the bottom line is they're just so meant like all seven of 01:33:55.750 --> 01:34:01.250 these goddamn states and Florida, Florida is not that far off are just right. 01:34:02.230 --> 01:34:05.450 You know, we don't know. We don't know which way Michigan's going. 01:34:05.910 --> 01:34:09.610 We don't know which way North Carolina is going. We don't know which way George 01:34:09.610 --> 01:34:14.130 is, et cetera. Like, and that's enough that it could be, you know, 01:34:14.130 --> 01:34:18.490 a decent sized win for either side could happen. 01:34:18.690 --> 01:34:22.050 And of course, I'm seeing these stories. I'm seeing this story, 01:34:22.210 --> 01:34:26.250 how people are giving all red a chance to be Ted Cruz. 01:34:26.330 --> 01:34:31.090 Oh, yeah. That one's within like a few percent to write at this point, 01:34:31.130 --> 01:34:34.250 like already still behind in the polling, but just barely. 01:34:34.510 --> 01:34:37.030 I mean, that would be holy shit. 01:34:38.940 --> 01:34:43.920 Honestly you know i despise ted cruz so much that that's one where if i got 01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:48.220 a chance to go over i had some time to go over to ted cruz and make fun of make 01:34:48.220 --> 01:34:52.520 fun of him in front of his face after he lost i would take that i would take 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:53.500 the opportunity to do that. 01:34:53.500 --> 01:34:56.300 So and this this also is that is. 01:34:56.300 --> 01:34:57.600 That too petty is that not is that. 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:02.480 Yeah yeah you can leave ted cruz alone no but go in. 01:35:02.480 --> 01:35:05.580 Front of his face and go say hey second loser. 01:35:05.580 --> 01:35:13.340 I guess okay i it what was i you know you distracted me with this ted cruz stuff 01:35:13.340 --> 01:35:17.300 i had something else i was gonna say oh god well that's. 01:35:17.300 --> 01:35:19.420 That's that's an age issue it's not my fault. 01:35:19.420 --> 01:35:22.360 But yeah don't blame. 01:35:22.360 --> 01:35:23.720 Don't blame me for this. 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:29.740 I i mean you you you you put in front of me the dancing image of ted cruz and i can't look away, 01:35:33.280 --> 01:35:39.960 anyway uh just just wrapping up polling i guess what one of the things that 01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:44.320 and i was looking for the exact quote i think i retuted it or whatever on maston 01:35:44.320 --> 01:35:47.360 but i can't find it right now is like, 01:35:48.380 --> 01:35:51.600 if if polling says that somebody 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:54.480 is going to win by 20 and they end up winning 01:35:54.480 --> 01:36:00.080 by 18 nobody gives a shit you got the winner right yeah yeah but if it's the 01:36:00.080 --> 01:36:05.040 difference between saying one person is ahead by one or the other person is 01:36:05.040 --> 01:36:08.840 ahead by one it's the same amount of error but suddenly everybody cares and 01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:13.860 like oh my god polling is awful nobody knows anything blah blah blah no and uh. 01:36:13.860 --> 01:36:17.820 No and that's what and that's and you you've hit the nail right on the head 01:36:17.820 --> 01:36:21.100 that that's the issue that you've got right now that it's so razor thin that 01:36:21.100 --> 01:36:26.620 you can't even say you know with any certainty who will win because it's that close. 01:36:26.620 --> 01:36:32.540 Right and yeah it and you know, 01:36:33.260 --> 01:36:37.840 We've been through before, like there are all kinds of reasons to think this 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:42.460 time the polls are underestimating the Democrat, unlike the last couple of years. 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:49.340 But and actually, if you if you if you started to waterboard me and asked me, 01:36:49.480 --> 01:36:53.640 I'd say, yeah, the polls are probably underestimating Harris right now. 01:36:54.040 --> 01:36:58.000 But do I have a level of confidence about that that I can say. 01:36:58.060 --> 01:37:03.800 Oh, yeah, to make me feel this is the bag. We're fine. Everything will be fine. 01:37:04.200 --> 01:37:07.840 Trump will be in jail next year. I can't say that. 01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:13.880 I cannot with any confidence at all say that right now. 01:37:14.180 --> 01:37:19.180 No. Like, I look at that and I'm like, it's so tempting to start coming up with 01:37:19.180 --> 01:37:22.940 all the reasons why polls are probably underestimating Harris. 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:29.760 But I feel like I cannot trust that I'm not just using motivated reasoning because 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.200 that's what I want to see. 01:37:31.360 --> 01:37:38.400 Yeah you know i know so okay despite i'm moving on from polls to finish up other 01:37:38.400 --> 01:37:41.760 election stuff i mentioned what are the election stuff. 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:43.580 That we have we have we have. 01:37:43.580 --> 01:37:48.700 We have the debate and the january 6th filing and all right there was a debate 01:37:48.700 --> 01:37:53.460 i forgot about that and i wanted to talk a little bit about turnout versus persuasion 01:37:53.460 --> 01:37:56.980 as well but let i guess chronologically the debate bait was first we had waltz 01:37:56.980 --> 01:38:03.400 and vance basically i at the time i called it sort of a draw you know, 01:38:04.100 --> 01:38:08.560 waltz seemed nervous throughout vance seemed really confident of course he was 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:13.300 lying the whole fucking time but he seemed really confident um he also seemed 01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:18.380 he put on a nice act like and apparently that partially threw waltz off because 01:38:18.380 --> 01:38:20.660 like they were expecting him to be all combative, 01:38:21.220 --> 01:38:22.800 The usual asshole, I know. 01:38:34.910 --> 01:38:40.850 But every campaign always puts out that their candidate isn't that great at 01:38:40.850 --> 01:38:42.950 debates to try to get the answer. It's a VP debate. 01:38:43.050 --> 01:38:48.370 Nobody gives a fuck. Let's be clear about this. The VP debate, nobody cares. 01:38:48.450 --> 01:38:49.810 Nobody cares. Nobody cares. 01:38:50.230 --> 01:38:51.010 Nobody fucking cares. 01:38:51.330 --> 01:39:00.590 Somebody pointed out the biggest slam dunk moment in any VP debate ever was 01:39:00.590 --> 01:39:06.150 Lloyd Benson's You Are No Jack Kennedy. Did Lloyd Benson end up vice president? 01:39:06.750 --> 01:39:08.710 No, he did not. They got crushed. 01:39:09.490 --> 01:39:14.130 No, he did not. And so he crushed Dan Quayle at that debate and made no difference whatsoever. 01:39:14.210 --> 01:39:18.730 Made no damn difference whatsoever. Not one iota, so whatever. 01:39:19.090 --> 01:39:23.190 And I put this as a draw anyway, but a lot of commentators were saying, 01:39:24.850 --> 01:39:30.550 Vance was winning on points up until the very end, but then Walls did a knockout 01:39:30.550 --> 01:39:32.090 punch with the January 6th stuff. 01:39:32.830 --> 01:39:36.730 I don't know, maybe like he, he did have a good thing and they put it into some 01:39:36.730 --> 01:39:39.370 commercials and stuff, but bottom line is what you said. 01:39:39.450 --> 01:39:45.590 VP debates don't matter how the presidential debates usually don't matter very much. 01:39:45.630 --> 01:39:50.230 The, the, the whole thing with Biden this time around is the most consequential 01:39:50.230 --> 01:39:52.650 presidential debate we've ever had in our lives. 01:39:53.210 --> 01:39:59.370 Um, but usually debates don't matter, period. End of story. 01:39:59.670 --> 01:40:03.650 Regardless, at most, they give a temporary bump of a week or two. 01:40:04.250 --> 01:40:09.730 But yeah, and in this case, the VP debate was on Tuesday night, 01:40:09.810 --> 01:40:14.010 and Wednesday, the special counsel released their report, and everybody stopped 01:40:14.010 --> 01:40:14.890 talking about it immediately. 01:40:15.540 --> 01:40:18.120 So anybody, and, and. 01:40:18.120 --> 01:40:21.460 And, and they talked about the special counsel report for like 15 minutes. 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:24.900 Yes. And this is what I was going to say about the special counsel report. 01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:29.480 Like, first of all, like I predicted last week that we would, 01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:34.360 you know, there would be new details, but the fundamental story doesn't change. 01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:35.960 And that's exactly what we had. 01:40:36.420 --> 01:40:40.020 We have interesting new details. Like we have Donald Trump saying who cares 01:40:40.020 --> 01:40:41.120 or whatever the hell it was. 01:40:41.160 --> 01:40:44.580 He said when they told him about Mike Pence, he said, yeah. Yeah. 01:40:44.860 --> 01:40:52.160 And we have a more, more clear examples, like a deluge of them, 01:40:52.180 --> 01:40:56.340 you know, lots and lots of examples showing that Donald Trump absolutely knew he lost. 01:40:56.740 --> 01:41:01.020 We've got all kinds of things like that, but fundamentally the story doesn't change. 01:41:01.380 --> 01:41:06.300 And, you know, I, I tune, I turned on Fox news for a few minutes after this 01:41:06.300 --> 01:41:10.040 came on and, you know, basically that, that was the story is like, 01:41:10.120 --> 01:41:13.080 hey, this is old news. It's politically motivated. 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:15.180 There's nothing really new here. 01:41:15.820 --> 01:41:18.160 And then 15 minutes later, they moved on. 01:41:19.020 --> 01:41:23.920 CNN kept at it for a little bit longer. MSNBC kept on it for a little bit longer than that. 01:41:24.420 --> 01:41:31.280 But by the time we got to four or five hours after this, all of the news networks 01:41:31.280 --> 01:41:32.940 had moved on to other things. 01:41:33.060 --> 01:41:36.140 They would reference it a bit and they would still talk about it some, 01:41:36.220 --> 01:41:38.900 but they'd moved on to other things. They weren't doing wall to wall. 01:41:39.320 --> 01:41:46.640 And anyway, and, and the, the, the kind of voters that you might care to reach 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.620 with it, aren't the ones that are paying attention anyway, anybody who's really 01:41:49.620 --> 01:41:50.940 paying attention to this stuff. 01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:56.440 I mean, part of the spin on Fox news was clearly, and I think they're actually right about this. 01:41:56.480 --> 01:41:59.700 They didn't say this explicitly, but it was sort of implied by the way they 01:41:59.700 --> 01:42:03.860 were talking about it is that anybody who really cares about this stuff was 01:42:03.860 --> 01:42:05.180 already voting for Harris anyway. 01:42:05.620 --> 01:42:07.040 Right. and. 01:42:07.650 --> 01:42:15.470 Yeah, that's true. Now, we have talked about, like, does this demotivate any Republicans? 01:42:16.050 --> 01:42:20.070 Maybe on the margins, but it's so damn close the margins matter, right? 01:42:20.870 --> 01:42:23.790 So any little thing could make a difference. 01:42:23.790 --> 01:42:28.250 I did see a couple of focus groups, and we've made fun of focus groups and who 01:42:28.250 --> 01:42:34.750 they pick before and stuff like this, but at least one person saying that Vance's 01:42:34.750 --> 01:42:38.410 response on January 6th actually did make a difference to them. 01:42:39.230 --> 01:42:44.370 He went out and would not admit that Donald Trump lost and that that made a 01:42:44.370 --> 01:42:48.490 difference to them as a voter. I don't know. 01:42:49.190 --> 01:42:56.310 One of the reasons to think Harris might be underestimated is this sort of enthusiasm 01:42:56.310 --> 01:43:01.690 gap where Republicans seem to be a lot less excited about Donald Trump than 01:43:01.690 --> 01:43:03.450 they were four or eight years ago, 01:43:03.530 --> 01:43:06.770 whereas people seem to be really excited about Harris. 01:43:07.470 --> 01:43:12.930 And so that's where this kind of thing potentially could make a difference is 01:43:12.930 --> 01:43:17.030 like just reminding people that this existed at all. 01:43:17.090 --> 01:43:21.690 And it's not so much the filing itself, but like Harris is putting it in commercials 01:43:21.690 --> 01:43:27.170 in swing states, reminding people about January 6th and including some of these 01:43:27.170 --> 01:43:31.650 new bits of evidence and things Trump or Vance have said lately and stuff like that. 01:43:31.650 --> 01:43:36.290 And maybe those commercials in the swing state will make some differences on 01:43:36.290 --> 01:43:43.230 the margins and makes maybe not convince any Republicans to vote for Harris, 01:43:43.390 --> 01:43:45.370 although there are anecdotal reports of a few. 01:43:46.070 --> 01:43:50.610 But just, you know, make some of these disillusioned Trump people just stay home. 01:43:51.110 --> 01:43:58.590 And this is where I want to jump into the turnout versus persuasion thing. There is. 01:43:58.930 --> 01:44:02.010 The Harris campaign is still doing a lot of persuasion. 01:44:02.110 --> 01:44:09.370 They had joint events with Liz Cheney. 01:44:09.430 --> 01:44:11.070 Lynn is her mom. 01:44:12.110 --> 01:44:16.250 Anyway, with Cheney, had a joint event. 01:44:16.250 --> 01:44:16.550 Not Dick. 01:44:17.210 --> 01:44:21.430 Not Dick. Not Dick. But it had a joint event. 01:44:21.570 --> 01:44:26.730 So basically saying, hey, look, there have been a bunch of sort of Republicans 01:44:26.730 --> 01:44:29.850 for Harris that have been out on the campaign trail, 01:44:30.110 --> 01:44:34.550 basically trying to convince people, and speaking at the convention and blah, 01:44:34.610 --> 01:44:39.170 blah, blah, trying to convince Republicans that, hey, it's okay. 01:44:39.690 --> 01:44:43.790 You can vote for Harris and still be a good Republican. 01:44:43.790 --> 01:44:51.870 You you know trump is bad come on you know trump is bad you know the quote from the convention was, 01:44:52.710 --> 01:44:57.970 vote it voting for harris doesn't make you a bad republican it makes you a patriot 01:44:57.970 --> 01:45:03.470 or something like that you know and you you can go back to arguing about policy 01:45:03.470 --> 01:45:09.110 once the danger of trump is gone and and maybe you get a few republicans to 01:45:09.110 --> 01:45:12.530 defect that way but i think with, 01:45:13.390 --> 01:45:17.910 things mapping out the way they are, I think the, 01:45:18.410 --> 01:45:24.510 At this point, you got to do both. You got to do both persuasion and going for turnout. 01:45:24.690 --> 01:45:27.450 But I think the emphasis needs to be on turnout at this point. 01:45:27.490 --> 01:45:34.030 It needs to be get out the people who don't try to convince the people who voted 01:45:34.030 --> 01:45:36.750 for Trump the last eight years to vote for Harris. 01:45:36.850 --> 01:45:41.690 Maybe you'll get a few of them. So don't I shouldn't say don't try to. Sure, try to. 01:45:41.950 --> 01:45:46.130 But the emphasis should be on your energy on those. 01:45:46.130 --> 01:45:50.510 Yeah, don't spend most of your energy on that. Spend most of your energy on 01:45:50.510 --> 01:45:55.250 getting out the damn vote, getting out Democrats who aren't like there are a 01:45:55.250 --> 01:45:58.030 lot more Democrats than excited now than we're under Biden. 01:45:58.030 --> 01:46:03.490 But there's still a bunch and you hear them whining on social media about like, 01:46:03.490 --> 01:46:06.550 you know, Harris's policy on Gaza and Israel, 01:46:06.730 --> 01:46:11.430 for instance, or, you know, she's not progressive enough for me or whatever, 01:46:11.610 --> 01:46:16.450 blah, blah, blah, or just people who like are convinced that their vote doesn't matter. 01:46:16.450 --> 01:46:20.090 So why bother get those people out? 01:46:20.290 --> 01:46:25.290 That's where I think you've got more bang for the buck going after those people 01:46:25.290 --> 01:46:28.750 than you have going after trying to convert Trump voters. 01:46:28.930 --> 01:46:36.150 And so, so, you know, we've got, let me, let me refresh my page as we are recording 01:46:36.150 --> 01:46:43.750 31.8 days until, until polls start to close on election night. Right. 01:46:44.050 --> 01:46:49.130 And, you know, you're get out. The vote is where to do it right now. 01:46:49.210 --> 01:46:55.430 Like get those people to the polls who are, you know, leaning are leaning in 01:46:55.430 --> 01:47:00.950 a more Harris direction than a Trump direction. 01:47:01.550 --> 01:47:08.590 But who may not be like who may be iffy in terms of are they actually going 01:47:08.590 --> 01:47:11.930 to vote and get those people to actually vote? 01:47:11.930 --> 01:47:18.970 That that's where the effort needs to be at this point i think and yeah that's 01:47:18.970 --> 01:47:25.110 what i got i don't know any anything else election wise to talk about no. 01:47:25.110 --> 01:47:26.330 We got nothing oh. 01:47:26.330 --> 01:47:30.190 You mentioned you mentioned the purge day the one other thing and we've mentioned 01:47:30.190 --> 01:47:36.470 this before i just want to say it again his donald trump's ability to be coherent 01:47:36.470 --> 01:47:38.990 is continuing to be really really low, 01:47:40.090 --> 01:47:43.390 you know and getting seemingly 01:47:43.390 --> 01:47:49.310 getting worse as we get closer to the election and advance keeps pissing people 01:47:49.310 --> 01:47:53.630 off but it doesn't just like everything else it doesn't seem to be it's not 01:47:53.630 --> 01:47:57.030 like trump makes an incoherent speech and suddenly he loses five percent in 01:47:57.030 --> 01:48:00.410 the polls no no i mean he keeps confusing. 01:48:00.410 --> 01:48:02.230 Where the fuck he is what. 01:48:02.230 --> 01:48:09.510 And it still can it still continues to be like if you to like moving to that national poll line. 01:48:10.050 --> 01:48:15.090 Well, not even, I don't know. Like if you compare now to a couple months ago, 01:48:15.250 --> 01:48:19.190 both Trump and Harris have improved a couple percent. 01:48:19.230 --> 01:48:23.250 If you look not at the margin that their actual percentage, I don't even know. 01:48:23.390 --> 01:48:26.870 I was going to say Trump is keeping his base support no matter what. 01:48:26.890 --> 01:48:33.310 And he is like most of the movement over the last few months has been undecided moving to Harris. 01:48:33.430 --> 01:48:35.870 It hasn't been Trump losing support. 01:48:36.430 --> 01:48:36.950 Right. 01:48:37.410 --> 01:48:42.310 And that's part of why I say it's get, do the turnout stuff, get those people out. 01:48:42.410 --> 01:48:46.190 You know, you may convince a few Trump people on the margins, 01:48:46.310 --> 01:48:48.550 but that's, that's not where the juice is. 01:48:48.850 --> 01:48:52.730 Get, get people out and excite people more. 01:48:52.830 --> 01:48:55.550 And, you know, I don't know. 01:48:55.610 --> 01:49:01.810 It's, I feel like there was a lot of momentum when harris first jumped in and 01:49:01.810 --> 01:49:06.890 then it's kind of been static you know ups and downs that are like mostly i mean. 01:49:06.890 --> 01:49:11.790 She definitely is pulling better than where. 01:49:13.150 --> 01:49:17.310 Biden was oh oh of course and like i said there's a lot of movement right at 01:49:17.310 --> 01:49:23.730 first it's been steady it's right moving from biden to harris moved it from 01:49:23.730 --> 01:49:26.350 biden is significantly behind, 01:49:26.710 --> 01:49:29.790 but if everything goes great, he can catch up. 01:49:29.890 --> 01:49:32.910 He still has a chance, but you've 01:49:32.910 --> 01:49:37.470 got to grit your teeth and maybe he'll win. Moved it from that to... 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:39.460 This is a fucking toss up. 01:49:39.700 --> 01:49:40.240 Right. 01:49:40.320 --> 01:49:46.020 But we haven't moved to terrorists. It's clearly leading and is, 01:49:46.080 --> 01:49:51.620 you know, and it would be a stunning if Trump won, it would be, we're not at the point. 01:49:51.660 --> 01:49:57.460 We're not at the 2016 point where if Trump won, it would be a massive upset 01:49:57.460 --> 01:49:58.900 and everybody would be surprised. 01:49:59.160 --> 01:50:02.740 We're, we're in a toss up scenario where it could go any way. 01:50:03.100 --> 01:50:10.340 And I, I really, really wish that, You know, Harris could pull a few more points 01:50:10.340 --> 01:50:15.060 out of this and be clearly ahead before we get to election day. 01:50:15.620 --> 01:50:19.540 But I'll be honest, my gut is that we're going to be in the same position, 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.920 having the same conversation about how it could go either way on the show we 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:25.020 do right before the election. 01:50:25.500 --> 01:50:29.000 I don't I expect that that is what we will do. Yes. 01:50:29.400 --> 01:50:34.440 Yeah. And as we talked about to like popular votes, a different question. 01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:36.980 I feel pretty confident that Harris is going to win the popular vote. 01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:37.780 That's not the question. 01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:42.360 Here i get what you're saying okay let's. 01:50:42.360 --> 01:50:43.000 Close it up. 01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:47.320 Zip it go to curmudgeons-corner.com. 01:50:47.320 --> 01:50:50.620 You can see all our stuff the archive 01:50:50.620 --> 01:50:53.400 of our shows you can listen to old shows please listen to 01:50:53.400 --> 01:50:56.160 old shows they're fun i i actually listen to 01:50:56.160 --> 01:50:59.120 old shows occasionally and you know i i get what 01:50:59.120 --> 01:51:04.180 what's interesting to me yvonne yeah even if i'm listening to a show from and 01:51:04.180 --> 01:51:07.380 like i'm now four years behind on like the oldest show i haven't listened to 01:51:07.380 --> 01:51:14.440 and the old the you know and almost four years it's like the oldest show i haven't 01:51:14.440 --> 01:51:16.700 listened to is like the show after, 01:51:17.480 --> 01:51:21.380 biden was declared the winner in 2020 oh 01:51:21.380 --> 01:51:24.180 gosh but i listen to old 01:51:24.180 --> 01:51:27.840 shows and one thing that's remarkable to me is that 01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.680 we'll be talking about something and i 01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:34.440 will think to myself oh here's where i'm 01:51:34.440 --> 01:51:37.900 about to mention this and then i do like 01:51:37.900 --> 01:51:40.940 and i don't remember the actual specifics of 01:51:40.940 --> 01:51:45.700 the conversation but apparently my brain is so similar because like i'm not 01:51:45.700 --> 01:51:50.600 replaying like my memory of the conversation i'm replaying like if i was having 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:54.920 this conversation now here's what i would say and boom it's the same thing i 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:59.540 actually said years ago and on occasion i Well. 01:51:59.540 --> 01:52:02.820 You're very consistent on your positions, basically. 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.920 That's right. Or there have been some occasions where I'm like, 01:52:05.980 --> 01:52:08.740 okay, Vaughn's going to bring up this story now. And boom, there you do. 01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:12.620 So, I don't know. And if you haven't listened to all of those old shows. 01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:13.900 Not a straw apple's made. 01:52:14.280 --> 01:52:20.380 You know, hey, as a curiosity, go back and listen to some of our shows during 01:52:20.380 --> 01:52:22.280 the Obama administration or something. 01:52:22.420 --> 01:52:25.100 You know, and see what we were talking about. You know? 01:52:25.940 --> 01:52:30.480 I might just do that. Okay. All right. I haven't heard a replay of one of our 01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:32.460 old shows in a while. I have done it. 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:35.360 Not recently, though. But I have done it for sure. 01:52:36.020 --> 01:52:41.820 Okay. Anyway, you can find that stuff for recent shows. We've got transcripts as well. 01:52:42.140 --> 01:52:44.200 You've got all the ways to contact us. 01:52:44.580 --> 01:52:49.460 And, of course, you've got a link to our Patreon where we can give us money. Yeah. 01:52:49.480 --> 01:52:51.000 I don't need to give money to myself. We're going to give ourselves money. 01:52:51.120 --> 01:52:56.280 Okay. We'll do that chase check fraud thing with our stuff. 01:52:56.280 --> 01:52:57.720 Yeah, we'll do that. 01:52:58.380 --> 01:53:00.600 Right, I'm sure that won't get us into trouble. 01:53:01.100 --> 01:53:08.280 No, not at all. We'll deposit everything we've got into the Curmudgeon's Corner 01:53:08.280 --> 01:53:12.720 PayPal, and then try to, not PayPal, Patreon, and then try to take it back. 01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:14.940 PayPal, PayPal, PayPal, whatever. 01:53:15.440 --> 01:53:18.860 Anyway, for the Patreon at various levels, we'll mention you on the show, 01:53:18.940 --> 01:53:21.280 we'll ring a bell, we'll send you a postcard, we'll send you a mug, 01:53:21.420 --> 01:53:25.440 all that kind of stuff, or very importantly, at $2 a month or more, 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:30.460 or if you just ask us, we will invite you to our Curmudgeons Corner Slack where 01:53:30.460 --> 01:53:34.540 Yvonne and I and all kinds of other people, I mentioned Bob and Greg earlier, 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:39.400 but there's other folks too, are chatting, sharing links, all that kind of stuff. 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:43.800 So Yvonne, what is something interesting and compelling from the Curmudgeons 01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:47.480 Corner Slack this week that we have not mentioned on the show at all? 01:53:47.480 --> 01:53:50.340 I i i guess i'm 01:53:50.340 --> 01:53:53.460 i'm trying to figure out what the best thing from 01:53:53.460 --> 01:53:57.220 this is okay sure what about 01:53:57.220 --> 01:54:06.220 crowd size 43 foot nude trump statue erected along las vegas highway erected 01:54:06.220 --> 01:54:11.640 yvonne yes that's what the story says the tribute to the republican candidate 01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:14.820 leaves little to imagination okay Okay, 01:54:14.820 --> 01:54:22.200 I am a naked statue of the former president titled Crooked and Obscene was created 01:54:22.200 --> 01:54:28.380 in a fenced in lot next to I-15 north of Las Vegas, Nevada on September 28th. 01:54:28.420 --> 01:54:34.120 The statues resembles a frowning Trump and has arms attached to strings, 01:54:34.280 --> 01:54:36.760 allowing them to be moved around like a puppet. 01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:39.980 It it is made 01:54:39.980 --> 01:54:45.320 of foam covered metal rebar and weighs about 6 000 pounds probably closer to 01:54:45.320 --> 01:54:51.160 his real weight according to the rap the piece is a bold statement on transparency 01:54:51.160 --> 01:54:57.900 vulnerability and the public personas of political figures the creators who 01:54:57.900 --> 01:54:59.540 have not been identified told the. 01:55:01.060 --> 01:55:04.340 So we've got a naked Trump statue somewhere. 01:55:05.280 --> 01:55:08.220 It's like, this is our, this is where we are right now. 01:55:09.370 --> 01:55:17.490 This is I I'm trying to remember. I'm pretty confident right now that in any other election cycle, 01:55:17.550 --> 01:55:26.830 we have not had a six thousand pound massive naked statue of any of the presidential candidates. 01:55:26.970 --> 01:55:34.070 I don't I don't know. I've seen news reports and pictures of other naked Trump 01:55:34.070 --> 01:55:36.710 statues going back probably to 2015. 01:55:36.710 --> 01:55:40.350 Oh, no, no, no. What I'm saying is of other presidential candidates, 01:55:40.450 --> 01:55:43.590 not Trump. Oh, not Trump. Not Trump, is what I'm saying. 01:55:43.770 --> 01:55:46.490 Were there any naked Hillary statues going around? 01:55:46.770 --> 01:55:47.490 Not that I recall. 01:55:47.950 --> 01:55:48.830 Naked Biden? 01:55:49.050 --> 01:55:49.550 Or Obama. 01:55:50.150 --> 01:55:50.930 Or Obama? 01:55:51.830 --> 01:55:54.630 Or Bush. I don't recall. 01:55:55.510 --> 01:55:56.030 Okay. 01:55:56.490 --> 01:55:57.710 Yeah, so that's one story. 01:55:57.710 --> 01:56:02.350 You should start a collector's series of all the presidents and presidential 01:56:02.350 --> 01:56:05.630 candidates going back to the beginning of the republic. Naked. 01:56:05.690 --> 01:56:11.910 Naked. That sounds wonderful. The other thing is that we, on the curmudgeon's 01:56:11.910 --> 01:56:13.890 quarter slack, there's a couple of more things I'll mention. 01:56:14.050 --> 01:56:19.290 One is where two shuts down science experiments as power stores dwindle. 01:56:19.310 --> 01:56:24.230 It's crazy how far away it is and how they're still being able to build that 01:56:24.230 --> 01:56:27.290 plutonium to keep that damn thing going. Okay. 01:56:27.570 --> 01:56:31.410 And, you know, surprising that, you know, I know the issues that they have with 01:56:31.410 --> 01:56:35.390 doing something with nuclear, but damn it. But, I mean, it really seems to be 01:56:35.390 --> 01:56:37.230 the best way to power these damn things. 01:56:37.450 --> 01:56:40.990 Okay? You know? I mean, given how the longevity. 01:56:41.290 --> 01:56:47.310 And the next one is evidence of our complete stupidity and abject failure. 01:56:48.010 --> 01:56:50.350 Our stupidity? You and me? Oh, yes. 01:56:50.510 --> 01:56:58.190 Yes. Ours. By some person, I guess, has this YouTube channel with 14.5 million subscribers. 01:56:58.190 --> 01:57:03.090 Subscribers as far as i can tell the only thing is is a video of somebody sitting 01:57:03.090 --> 01:57:08.110 down looking like they're studying and so it's just your companion that doing that is that. 01:57:08.110 --> 01:57:12.410 What it is they they've got a series of these live streams that basically just 01:57:12.410 --> 01:57:17.070 is an animation of someone sitting at a desk we're working with a timer in the 01:57:17.070 --> 01:57:20.150 corner that every once in a while it takes a break or whatever and you can sit 01:57:20.150 --> 01:57:23.930 and work with it and blah blah blah and there's like music playing in the background 01:57:23.930 --> 01:57:26.370 and they've got different versions of this channel with just different 01:57:26.450 --> 01:57:30.030 styles of music, depending on what you're into and with different character. 01:57:30.170 --> 01:57:33.250 And I guess there are others that do different characters. This particular YouTube 01:57:33.250 --> 01:57:34.790 channel has the same character, I guess. 01:57:35.050 --> 01:57:40.330 But yeah, it's basically just an animation. I presume it's either a repeating 01:57:40.330 --> 01:57:43.530 animation or they've got an AI that occasionally jiggles it or whatever. 01:57:43.830 --> 01:57:49.710 But yeah, it's just a person sitting at a desk studying and they've got millions of people subscribed. 01:57:49.830 --> 01:57:53.970 And at any given time, if you look at the live stream, there are a few thousand 01:57:53.970 --> 01:57:58.470 people watching compared to let's see how many people are watching our live stream right now. 01:58:00.530 --> 01:58:04.530 Zero, zero, zero people are watching our live stream at the moment. 01:58:04.890 --> 01:58:08.970 We are such massive failures at this. 01:58:09.850 --> 01:58:13.570 Holy fucking hell. Jesus Christ. 01:58:13.910 --> 01:58:21.810 I mean, we're literally being beaten by just a fucking animated cartoon playing music. That's it. 01:58:22.090 --> 01:58:22.770 Yes. 01:58:23.430 --> 01:58:24.630 They're not even saying anything. 01:58:25.170 --> 01:58:29.810 But you get to sit and work at your computer with this person in the corner 01:58:29.810 --> 01:58:31.730 of your screen, so they're keeping you company. 01:58:31.910 --> 01:58:37.030 You know, I liked, not Clippy. You know, I liked the little dog. 01:58:37.530 --> 01:58:40.630 Oh, yeah, because you could change Clippy to be various other characters. 01:58:40.930 --> 01:58:44.110 Yeah, I like the dog. I would like the dog back. 01:58:44.350 --> 01:58:48.930 I don't know why there's so much hate of that. I like the little dog. Give me my dog back. 01:58:49.810 --> 01:58:53.010 Yeah, you know, you can just talk to chat GPT now. 01:58:53.830 --> 01:59:00.670 No, I want my little dog. Why can't Microsoft just AI-infuse the fucking dog and give it back to me? 01:59:01.010 --> 01:59:04.330 There you go. They should do that. They can get on that. 01:59:04.970 --> 01:59:10.170 Well, you know, the new AI they're working on is basically operating under the 01:59:10.170 --> 01:59:14.890 premise of they're always watching your screen and will give you suggestions 01:59:14.890 --> 01:59:16.690 based on what it sees you doing. 01:59:16.870 --> 01:59:20.330 So I don't know how people will feel about that, honestly. 01:59:20.570 --> 01:59:22.930 But some people will love it. 01:59:23.010 --> 01:59:25.950 Uh you know i don't know i mean 01:59:25.950 --> 01:59:28.890 what the hell i mean look my fucking 01:59:28.890 --> 01:59:33.950 social security number is right now out there for for everybody my birth date 01:59:33.950 --> 01:59:39.850 my email my thing i don't understand how i'm not hacked more often given that 01:59:39.850 --> 01:59:47.110 i could just fucking google and find all of this in five minutes right anyway we're done but. 01:59:47.110 --> 01:59:50.070 Would you feel would you feel good about the little character in the corner 01:59:50.070 --> 01:59:55.010 of your screen, if it really was responsive to exactly what you're doing on 01:59:55.010 --> 01:59:56.050 the screen at that moment. 01:59:56.410 --> 02:00:01.410 And more so than Clippy, not just like, hey, are you writing a letter? 02:00:01.630 --> 02:00:07.570 But like, hey, I see you're about to send that email to this person. 02:00:07.730 --> 02:00:12.030 You may want to change the tone of that because that might piss them off or something like that. 02:00:13.010 --> 02:00:18.030 I mean, I've actually had already, I think I've seen this like feature in some 02:00:18.030 --> 02:00:19.890 different places where I've done that. 02:00:19.970 --> 02:00:22.290 And then it's like telling me that. 02:00:23.010 --> 02:00:25.910 So, yeah, sure. I whatever. 02:00:26.350 --> 02:00:30.390 What if it was like, hey, I noticed you like this kind of porn. 02:00:30.530 --> 02:00:31.830 Would you like some more over here? 02:00:32.350 --> 02:00:34.410 There's more of more of that kind over here. 02:00:35.210 --> 02:00:36.250 That's that's useful. 02:00:36.730 --> 02:00:38.390 OK, there you go. Yeah. 02:00:38.470 --> 02:00:40.090 I mean, that's useful. Sure. 02:00:40.690 --> 02:00:42.230 I admit it is. 02:00:42.230 --> 02:00:46.730 So okay yeah but it's a little creepy it's. 02:00:46.730 --> 02:00:48.030 A little creepy but you know. 02:00:48.030 --> 02:00:51.110 It's a little creepy but but i you know 02:00:51.110 --> 02:00:53.690 i don't know look look at the 02:00:53.690 --> 02:00:56.470 things that we're doing like right now and think about it like what the 02:00:56.470 --> 02:00:59.690 hell 20 30 years ago you tell me about what 02:00:59.690 --> 02:01:06.410 the fuck is creepy okay you know i mean everybody is dating online using apps 02:01:06.410 --> 02:01:12.130 i mean you know people when you go out to go date somebody you know you're basically 02:01:12.130 --> 02:01:16.870 cyber stalking them like right now because you can okay you know search everything. 02:01:16.870 --> 02:01:18.970 About them first before you meet them in person. 02:01:18.970 --> 02:01:24.550 Yeah and i i went and i i was just i'm checking into my to this hotel like on 02:01:24.550 --> 02:01:29.810 monday that i haven't been to in a while and they have somebody and i'm like 02:01:29.810 --> 02:01:35.210 now like the stupid top tier guy at this hotel chain right right their guy 02:01:35.470 --> 02:01:38.490 that they have this guy that's assigned to cater to 02:01:38.490 --> 02:01:41.330 the uber elite guys he looked me up 02:01:41.330 --> 02:01:44.130 on linkedin i mean look 02:01:44.130 --> 02:01:47.430 and i'm like oh i'm like who the hell's this guy looking at my profile oh it's 02:01:47.430 --> 02:01:50.970 the guy from the hotel he's checking out who the hell i am right and i'm like 02:01:50.970 --> 02:01:55.070 i thought i'm like creepy and but also i thought well that makes sense you know 02:01:55.070 --> 02:02:00.310 so no in care of i thought you know that i thought that's not a bad idea right 02:02:00.310 --> 02:02:03.990 okay what's what i do before i go meet somebody buddy yeah. 02:02:03.990 --> 02:02:05.850 Yeah yeah of course of course. 02:02:05.850 --> 02:02:07.390 So anyway anyway. 02:02:07.390 --> 02:02:08.610 We're done we're done. 02:02:08.610 --> 02:02:09.250 Thank you. 02:02:09.250 --> 02:02:14.170 Everybody for joining us for yet another curmudgeons corner stay safe have a 02:02:14.170 --> 02:02:18.070 good week we'll see you next time goodbye bye, 02:02:49.090 --> 02:02:51.850 okay that's it good night yvonne. 02:02:51.850 --> 02:02:55.930 All right are we uploaded we're really i'm hitting. 02:02:55.930 --> 02:02:57.790 I'm hitting stop now here we go.