Sam: Hello.
Ivan: Hello.
Sam: Let me turn your volume up. There we go. Are you feeling better this week?
Sam: Okay, hold on. There we go.
Sam: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: Okay, nice. I'll have to fix that on the others later.
Sam: Okay. okay anything that we need to go over before we start or shall i just hit the button and go.
Ivan: Buttoning it buttoning it.
Sam: Here we go I don't
Sam: know.
Sam: Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, September 14th, 2024.
Sam: It is 1733 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Mentor, Yvonne Bowes here. Hello, Yvonne.
Ivan: Hello!
Sam: So I think as usual, we're going to do our but first, where we talk about non-newsy
Sam: stuff for a little bit, And then two segments of newsy stuff,
Sam: one picked by Yvonne, one picked by me. That's the plan.
Ivan: That's the plan.
Sam: I was just telling Yvonne, he seems much more with it today than either of the
Sam: last two weeks that we did this show.
Sam: The first one, he was sick.
Sam: The second one, he had just done a crazy night in Vegas and not slept.
Sam: And so now you look refreshed.
Ivan: I, I, I, uh, I look refreshed for those of you who are seeing this, not, not, not many.
Ivan: Yeah. I, uh, to Sam that's looking at me, I look refreshed. I,
Ivan: I, I did, uh, have a nice night of sleep.
Ivan: Uh, I also exercised this morning and so, yeah, you know, this is,
Ivan: oh, pretty, pretty good.
Sam: Meanwhile, I'm kind of tired because last night, like I fell asleep on the couch.
Sam: I was the first one in the family to fall asleep. I fell asleep on the couch.
Ivan: How often do you fall asleep on the couch?
Sam: Maybe a third of the time.
Ivan: Okay. So a lot. Okay. I never do.
Sam: I always, maybe not quite.
Ivan: But like, but, but okay. It's a lot. It's, it's, it's definitely not,
Ivan: uh, it's not an unusual occurrence. Okay.
Sam: Yeah. Okay. But, but like, you know, one of the reasons why is like my son,
Sam: Alex, like, likes to stay downstairs late and doesn't like everybody else to leave.
Sam: I mean, he'll, he'll, if everyone else leaves, it'll,
Sam: He will deal, but like he prefers if somebody stays downstairs with him while
Sam: he is on his like all night bender of watching YouTube, whatever that he's doing, you know?
Sam: And so like more often than not,
Sam: one or the other of us will give in and like, you know, stay on the couch and
Sam: typically we will fall asleep first because we're old, you know? Yep.
Ivan: And that's what happens.
Sam: And he is yes he is
Sam: completely nocturnal right now his his sleep schedules
Sam: are screwed up so in any case i fell
Sam: asleep on the couch i woke up again middle of the night you know had to go to
Sam: bathroom blah blah blah again old but you know and he he was gone like the tv
Sam: was still on but he was gone no one was there i i remember like when i first
Sam: fell asleep like my my my wife was Actually,
Sam: I think the same thing you were, not the same one, but she was at a birthday party.
Sam: And so I had no idea. I was like, did she come back? What's going on? Blah, blah, blah.
Sam: And so I decided, okay, I'm going to go up to bed.
Sam: I get up to bed. My wife is in bed.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: My son is in bed at a right angle to my wife. So like, not, not like, you know.
Ivan: So you can't get into bed.
Sam: Well, and then the dog is in the remaining space.
Ivan: Oh, for God's sake.
Sam: Okay. So, so, and, and, and, you know, keep in mind the dog is a huge dog too. So it's take.
Ivan: And you don't do what I, what I do because I have.
Sam: Just shove them out of the way.
Ivan: Oh, oh, oh. So if Manu, listen, I, I, uh, before whatever, blah,
Ivan: blah, blah, let him be, you know, love, love, you know, that I'll be nice to the little boy.
Ivan: Now I'm like, if he is in my side of the damn bed, get the fuck up,
Ivan: go to your bed, get out of here.
Sam: So I don't care what I tried to do.
Sam: I tried first to find a way to contort myself into the small amounts of empty space left on the bed.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So that doesn't work.
Ivan: So already try this is, you know, I tried that once or twice. I said, screw this.
Sam: I was like twisted around so that like I had my feet under the kid's back.
Sam: I had my face up against the dog's face in between. I was bent into a weird angle.
Sam: And so I tried like for a while I tried to sleep and I, I did not get back to
Sam: sleep that way. Like I, I, I kept trying slightly different positions,
Sam: you know, I, I, it just was not working.
Sam: I probably like tossed and turned trying to do that.
Sam: Well, I say tossed and turned, but I was very constrained in my tossing and
Sam: turning based on where everyone else was.
Sam: And so I eventually was like, okay, I give up. I'm going back downstairs.
Sam: But like, you know, I've mentioned before we have, I've mentioned before the
Sam: dilapidated of our couches that they, my intention is to replace them this year.
Sam: I have not yet replaced them. They are not particularly comfortable for sleeping. Okay.
Sam: And, and so like, I, I tried again to sleep.
Sam: I slept a little, I did fall asleep for a little while again, but not very much.
Sam: I woke up, I tried to get back to sleep and it was like, and so,
Sam: and then eventually I'm like,
Sam: okay, I'll try sleeping on the floor I put like a pillow down on the floor I
Sam: tried to sleep on the floor I did not get back to sleep and then it was time to do this so I was like,
Sam: you know so yeah so you're exhausted but not you know I had a.
Sam: Not completely. Like I probably still got.
Ivan: But you're not rested. But you're not rested.
Sam: I'm not rested as much as I would like to be.
Sam: Let's say, let's put it that way. And it's not like, because what sleep I did
Sam: have was uncomfortable sleep.
Sam: And I would have liked to get more sleep, but I, I tried multiple times to fall
Sam: back asleep and I couldn't. And then boom, it was daytime. So, you know, there.
Ivan: No, no, I, I get that. You know, but I, listen, I, I have been,
Ivan: look, I don't, you know, I know you say, well, your son's gotten big,
Ivan: so my son's gotten a lot bigger.
Ivan: He's not weighing more than one.
Ivan: He's about weighing the same as one. He's 140 pounds right now.
Ivan: So he's not small. I don't give a fuck. Okay.
Ivan: You know, I'm sorry. Get the fuck off my bed. Okay. Go to your damn bed.
Ivan: Okay. I want my bed. I have to say that I have to get Manu a new mattress as well.
Ivan: That mattress is now like, I guess, is getting like eight years old, nine, whatever.
Ivan: It's not particularly comfortable right now, at least to me.
Ivan: My wife has said the same. Manu hasn't complained about it.
Ivan: But because I tried like once, okay, he stayed in bed in my bed. I'll go sleep in his bed.
Ivan: And I was like, oh, fuck, this mattress is shit.
Ivan: i'm like i can't no i can't i can't sleep
Ivan: in this now i will say that that
Ivan: hasn't happened in a while because he kind of got the he got the picture so
Ivan: he doesn't do that anymore okay he doesn't want me you know basically just waking
Ivan: his ass up in the middle of the night to go to go to his bed so so he's not
Ivan: doing that because that happened a lot sometimes when i was recording the podcast
Ivan: i was recording it late on friday sometimes i get in there and i'm like what the.
Ivan: You know so but i
Ivan: will say that you know you mentioned about the couches and you know we replaced
Ivan: our our like i mentioned our couch this year and that old couch that we had
Ivan: same problem as with yours had gotten uncomfortable you know it was it had gotten
Ivan: to the point where it was just not comfortable to lie on you don't have to go
Ivan: to bed but the new couches that we have,
Ivan: are yes extremely comfortable okay so
Ivan: if if it was that bad and and
Ivan: one of them because we didn't have this before does turn into a bed right okay
Ivan: so if it was that bad it does even turn into a bed and it's a nice comfortable
Ivan: bed so now i have that option but i haven't had to use it because you know what
Ivan: i laid down the law on this and basically just said get the fuck off my bed,
Ivan: and you know the thing is that in his bedroom he he does play in the living
Ivan: room got big tv but But the TV that I put in his bedroom is almost the same
Ivan: size as the one in the living room. Yeah. That, that, that, that far.
Ivan: So he will go do that in his bedroom. So we'll be in bed and you know,
Ivan: a whole bunch of times he'll fall asleep with a remote in his hand completely. Just yeah.
Ivan: It'll, it'll be watching shit on YouTube or whatever and movies until he falls asleep.
Ivan: I find him with a remote in hand and I'm like, okay, here we go.
Ivan: Take the remote out of his hands. Turn off the TV.
Ivan: Let him go to sleep. Okay, got it. So we'll do, we'll do that. So, but yeah.
Sam: Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, fun stuff. And yeah, and I have on occasion,
Sam: like, pushed and made space.
Sam: I didn't feel like it last night. But yeah, again, like, but the contorting doesn't work.
Ivan: Is he one of these guys? Is he one of these people that, like,
Ivan: rotates, flips, and kicks at night?
Ivan: Or is he, you know, if you move him, he'll stay still.
Sam: Uh, he'll move. He'll move. Okay.
Ivan: So I, you know, I had this like where my sister, many years ago,
Ivan: I went on a trip to Orlando with my, with my sister and they had rented a house.
Ivan: We're all sharing this house.
Sam: So when you were an adult, not when you were kids.
Ivan: When I was an adult with my nephews, okay. That were younger,
Ivan: which my nephews are now adults. Okay.
Ivan: Okay. And so I have to wind up sharing a bed with my two of my nieces. Okay. All right.
Ivan: It's a sofa bed. It's the only place to sleep. And I'm like,
Ivan: okay, listen, these two, there was no way to sleep with them in a bed.
Ivan: Listen, I would shove them all the way to the other side of the bed.
Ivan: In minutes, they would be perpendicular to me, kicking me, shoving me,
Ivan: pushing me off the bed, asleep, just completely asleep.
Ivan: Right. They're doing all of this in their sleep.
Ivan: And it's like, I'm like, fuck me. I mean, I'm literally dragging them all the
Ivan: way to the other side of the damn bed.
Ivan: And then minutes later, they're just kicking my ass.
Sam: Oh, yeah.
Ivan: While asleep. And they don't even notice it. Wake up in the morning.
Ivan: It's like, what happened? what
Ivan: do you mean what happened yeah let me sleep oh yes yes fuck hey well the.
Sam: Joy of having the young ones around.
Ivan: Oh i love it but you know come on it's a little bit oh i listen don't get me
Ivan: wrong i wouldn't change it for a world but it is not conducive to good sleep yeah.
Sam: No no and yeah so anyway i hijacked like that part of the but first did you
Sam: have another but firsty thing.
Ivan: That you wanted to talk about first he think first he think what was i doing
Ivan: this week i don't know i went to vegas yeah.
Sam: We heard about.
Ivan: That last week and i and i you know i got back you know i i uh the hell's been
Ivan: going on you know i don't have much to talk about is like talking you know it doesn't make it vegas it.
Sam: Just has to be not newsy stuff it doesn't even have to to be like.
Ivan: No well i'm personal story.
Sam: You know you could be like hey there's this you know.
Ivan: Well i here here okay here's something that happened yes we can put some of the tech.
Sam: News stuff in this segment.
Ivan: No no here's something that happened yesterday yeah okay all right i i left
Ivan: for lunch i had been you know working from home a lot and i'm like look let
Ivan: me go get you know i got back the whole week and i'm like let me go let me go
Ivan: grab some lunch okay so i go i went i drove out to grab some lunch.
Ivan: When I came back, there's a few teenagers sitting with a Tesla near the entrance
Ivan: at a condo. And I didn't think much of it because sometimes people,
Ivan: for whatever the hell reason, are waiting for somebody there.
Ivan: It's not common. It's not really a proper place to do it. But anyway, whatever.
Ivan: Then my wife says, hey, honey, have you noticed that that car's been sitting there for hours?
Ivan: What do you mean? Yeah. Did you see the white Tesla at the entrance?
Ivan: And I'm like, well, I, I saw it, but I didn't think much of it.
Ivan: So I go and I look at the surveillance cameras and look at it and I see that
Ivan: this is a used, well, these people, there's no way they bought it.
Ivan: Is it, this is like three teenagers driving around in a model three,
Ivan: which there's a lot of cheap model threes now to be had.
Ivan: Okay. This is a car now that there are a lot of used examples around. Okay.
Ivan: and that that can be had for, you know, 10,000, 15,000, you know,
Ivan: the price of a used car because, you know, Tesla drop prices so much that there's a lot around.
Ivan: And I looked at, it's got what looks like, it looked like two flat tires on
Ivan: the right side, but then I realized only one and it's crashed on the front right.
Ivan: And I'm like, what the, but, but wait,
Ivan: but even more, no beyond the flat tire no
Ivan: when i was leaving i know
Ivan: that i looked at what i first saw it it had
Ivan: no right rear tire and it
Ivan: was on the ground not on a jack okay and i'm like wait how the fuck is this
Ivan: car on the ground with no tire how did they make it here how the hell they get
Ivan: here okay okay so i i I went back, you know, because I'm the president of the association.
Ivan: We pulled the surveillance cameras. Let me see what the fuck happened.
Ivan: Well, look, apparently sometime like at noon, these guys are driving around
Ivan: for whatever the hell reason when they went and they realized that they had a flat tire.
Ivan: OK, apparently I thought maybe the crash had something to do with a flat tire.
Ivan: No, the crash. Apparently they had crashed.
Ivan: They just know it is that they had a flat tire. They pulled in front.
Ivan: They looked at it. Oh, yeah, we got a flat tire. And then somehow they crawled
Ivan: to the entrance of the condo and they couldn't leave.
Ivan: And so instead of calling a tow truck, for whatever reason, these geniuses decided
Ivan: to call a friend, okay, with another car.
Ivan: They decided to take the tire off, drop the car to the ground, which, by the way,
Ivan: for those of you who don't know, is a horrible idea because it will most likely
Ivan: damage your dumbass car, you idiots.
Ivan: Okay. Because there's no graceful way to get it to fall on the ground.
Ivan: If you have it on the fucking jack, okay?
Sam: You can let it down gently.
Ivan: No, but you'll let it down to a level, but then you have to rip out the jack.
Sam: Right, right, right, right.
Ivan: The thing will just drop on the fucking ground because you don't have the tire.
Ivan: Because the tire usually holds it above the jack. At some point,
Ivan: when the tire is not there, it will slam to the ground.
Sam: Right, okay, yes.
Ivan: OK, and so and then they they apparently decided, oh, well, just now we won't call a tow truck.
Ivan: We will have somebody take the tire to a shop, put on a tire,
Ivan: bring it back and then put it on the fucking car because the car obviously does not have a spare.
Ivan: And one of the fucking things that I've realized right now is that everybody
Ivan: ignores their goddamn TPMS warnings because all these cars have tire modern cars.
Ivan: have tire pressure monitoring and they will fucking
Ivan: put a light on your dashboard hey your air
Ivan: pressure is low maybe you should check that
Ivan: out and i the a
Ivan: large portion of the driving population
Ivan: ignores the fucking warning until
Ivan: they get a fucking flat and they're stranded it for like five hours and then
Ivan: i realized that this teenager generation has no idea i've noticed it's not just
Ivan: the teenagers i've noticed that nobody knows how to fucking change a flat anymore
Ivan: they have no clue i wouldn't know how to do.
Sam: It right now i mean i think i did.
Ivan: But you've done it i.
Sam: Think i did it once or at least was there when somebody else was doing it when
Sam: i was a teenager major but not i haven't had any need or experience since then and if if i had a flat.
Ivan: Tire do you have triple a oh.
Sam: Yeah i would call it.
Ivan: Okay but you okay i would call triple a and call triple a but that's the thing
Ivan: these morons i would not make any attempt to deal with myself exactly but at
Ivan: least you would do the smart thing which is okay great too complicated for me
Ivan: called fucking triple a so no they don't have triple a they don't have fucking
Ivan: anything they get a fucking flat they They drop the car on the ground.
Ivan: They call some bozo to go pick up the tire, take it to a shop,
Ivan: bring it back, which, by the way, not for nothing.
Ivan: It's not like that's really that cheap either to do.
Ivan: Right. And I'm like, and I'm like looking at this and I'm like.
Ivan: People don't know how to do shit anymore. They don't know how to do anything, Sam.
Ivan: Nobody knows how to fucking do anything anymore. If they're under 40,
Ivan: they have no clue how to fucking do anything.
Ivan: They can't fix anything.
Sam: Well, like I said, I can't fix anything either, so I can't.
Ivan: No, but you see, you know.
Sam: I know who to call.
Ivan: Well, fuck, they don't even know that.
Sam: Well, there's also, well, like you said, there's a money factor there too, right? Like.
Ivan: AAA is cheap. What the fuck? Listen, if you, listen, if you know you're a clown with a car.
Ivan: But I mean, sign up for AAA. Hell, I think even Tesla has roadside anyway to
Ivan: come and help you with a fucking thing anyway.
Sam: Right, right.
Sam: It's all, but always.
Ivan: My wife was like, well, they're young. Don't be so harsh. I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Sam: Well, see, the thing is, like, with things like AAA, that it's essentially insurance,
Sam: except you're not required to have it, like regular, like, car insurance.
Sam: You're required by law to have.
Sam: AAA, you are not required by law to have. So the normal thing,
Sam: and this goes to the mindset we've talked about in terms of,
Sam: like, you know, computer security stuff, too, at corporations and stuff.
Sam: It's like, you know, why spend money on prevention?
Sam: You just deal with the problem once it happens.
Ivan: Yeah, once you deal with, yeah, exactly. Right. I know.
Sam: You know, so, and, and, you know, I'll, I'll fully admit to myself,
Sam: like there's, you know, there's some things that I,
Sam: you know, like I have AAA, like we just talked about, but there are other things
Sam: that I would have to be proactive about.
Sam: out like triple a i said you know i i have had.
Ivan: Triple your credit card it just bills you and you got it period that yeah i don't have to.
Sam: Do anything i don't have to remember anything but like if it's maintenance on
Sam: crap that i have to like schedule like every every once in a while to have somebody
Sam: come in and do something how that that that stuff's not gonna get done until something breaks.
Ivan: Oh man you know you know but well i can't people one well one other problem
Ivan: is you know and i've experienced this is that auto manufacturers also are not
Ivan: putting spare tires in a lot of cars yeah you've you've complained.
Sam: About this before they're.
Ivan: Which is a problem yeah which is a problem okay and you know they they send
Ivan: these fix a flat kits that But in my experience when I tried them,
Ivan: they don't fucking work. Okay.
Ivan: So you're basically at the mercy of getting the car towed to a tire shop. Okay.
Ivan: Yeah. And that's, you know, and that's, and that's an issue.
Ivan: I have to say that, you know.
Ivan: You know, BMW for a while had been taking away spare tires, but for the most
Ivan: part, if they did that, they had put run flat tires on the cars.
Ivan: And I am, by the way, pro run flat tires. Okay.
Ivan: And, and I find it now really irritating that so many manufacturers have taken
Ivan: a route of getting rid of the spare tire, but not include run flat tires with
Ivan: the car as a fault, which is, I think that is, is, is, is ridiculous.
Ivan: Because when I had run flat tires on the cars that I had with that and there
Ivan: was an issue with the tire, all you saw, oh, I got the warning.
Ivan: Oh, OK, I'll go to the repair shop and whatever. You can drive a good amount
Ivan: with the tire, you know, flat without an issue.
Ivan: It's not, you know, and so I so fuck my auto manufacturers just fucking go with
Ivan: a goddamn run flat tires.
Ivan: All the fucking tires should be run flat tires, period.
Ivan: That's my that. So that's my conclusion. from this
Ivan: because if we're creating a generation of morons that
Ivan: can't do anything mechanically unfortunately okay you
Ivan: know for whatever reason just because there aren't that the number of mechanical
Ivan: things that people have to do have been reduced so their mechanical skills are
Ivan: down to nothing well then you need to compensate and it's not you know having
Ivan: to call a tow truck to take the car to the damn dealer.
Ivan: That's really just preposterous. So anyway, anyway, all right,
Ivan: moving on, moving on. Okay. Yeah.
Sam: Should we just move on or do you want a movie?
Ivan: Are you going to do a movie?
Sam: I don't know. I talked about sleeping and all that kind of stuff at the beginning.
Sam: So that was kind of my thing. Like we can save the movie for next time.
Ivan: Let's save the movie for next time. So we don't, we don't want to make a three hour show.
Sam: Exactly. You know, the last couple shows, you not feeling great has contributed
Sam: to them. actually being a reasonable length.
Ivan: Well, yeah, yes. As I am there, like just, just, you know, like just,
Ivan: just, just struggling to record a show.
Ivan: Yes, it definitely, you know, has contributed to a shorter show time. Yes.
Sam: Okay. Anyway, we'll take a break and then we will do the first of our newsy
Sam: segments where Yvonne will pick some exciting stuff to talk about.
Ivan: Exiting.
Sam: Exiting. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go.
Sam: Okay, here we go. So, Yvonne, what do you want to talk about? Talk about, talk about.
Ivan: You know what? I'm going to start because I know the big thing this week was the debate.
Ivan: Okay. And everything that came out of it. And everything that came out of it.
Ivan: But that happened, like, it seemed like already like a decade ago. Yeah.
Sam: Okay. So, I'll pick up that topic in the next segment if you go with something.
Ivan: But what I'm going to talk about is something that happened later in the week.
Ivan: Okay. Related to DJT stock. Okay.
Sam: All right. Okay. Okay.
Ivan: Okay. so the the lock-up period for trump to sell his shares ends very spire
Ivan: no it already expired oh i fired this week oh i thought it was like.
Sam: Coming soon but not.
Ivan: Yeah i think it okay so i think it expired on friday i think it was something
Ivan: okay okay all right so let me look okay well let me double check because okay
Ivan: let me double check okay i'm on it i'm on it i'm on it the stock orchestrated by buyer beware,
Ivan: represent a loan and watch it. Oh God.
Ivan: But while I look, while I find this out, but the main thing is that the stock
Ivan: had been plummeting, okay, and falling and falling and falling and falling and falling.
Ivan: And obviously, you know, Donald has the lockup, okay, which I don't,
Ivan: I can't find the exact date right now.
Ivan: I thought on, I thought he said that it was like expiring, like last week,
Ivan: but it could be early next week.
Ivan: It's really irrelevant when the lockup expires right now at this point for the
Ivan: purposes of what I'm trying to explain.
Ivan: But it's like, it's in the coming days. The problem is that it's next week.
Ivan: Okay. So the problem is that,
Ivan: you know the stock is very thinly traded okay and so one of the things with
Ivan: thinly traded stock is that when it's thinly traded like that it's very easy
Ivan: easy to manipulate the price of the stock okay donald.
Sam: Would never do that even.
Ivan: You know maybe not dot well well uh nobody would ever do.
Sam: That for the pure and.
Ivan: Oh i don't know djt stock so look early in this there was very clearly a big
Ivan: pump and dump of, of shares. Okay.
Ivan: A lot of people talked it up. Uh, just a whole bunch of fools.
Sam: Just fundamentally.
Ivan: They bit up the, yeah.
Sam: Before you go anywhere else, just fundamentally, like the market cap of this
Sam: thing is like $6 billion or something.
Sam: And it has, and it's losing money. No, It's down less than that.
Sam: But my point is, whatever it's billions. No, no.
Ivan: It's shed $6 billion in the last few months. Yes.
Sam: But, But I thought it still was at $6 billion. It started at $12 or something.
Ivan: It's his. Let's see.
Sam: But regardless.
Ivan: No, no, no. No, no, no. It's worth, to be precise, $3 billion right now.
Sam: Okay. It's worth $3 billion right now.
Ivan: And his stake is worth $2.1 billion.
Sam: Okay. Fine. The point is, it's got billions of dollars of market cap,
Sam: but it is just continuously losing money, and its actual revenue is tiny.
Sam: Tiny. Tiny, tiny, tiny. It's nothing. I've heard people multiple times make
Sam: the comparison that says this entire company makes less money than one single McDonald's franchise.
Ivan: Basically, yes.
Sam: That's correct. Not McDonald's, the corporation. One single McDonald's.
Ivan: One store. One store.
Sam: Yes. And so like anything that has this thing being worth pretty much anything.
Sam: Billions. Certainly billions, but like a fair value. 50 million.
Ivan: 100 million. Yeah.
Sam: That is ridiculous. Right. So what would be a fair value for this thing.
Ivan: Yvonne?
Sam: Like nothing? I mean, it's like losing money. It's like, is it worth anything?
Ivan: I don't even know what the fucking business, I don't, I think it's worthless.
Ivan: I mean, I don't know what the hell, there is no practical business plan.
Sam: So anyway.
Ivan: To make this, but profit make it.
Sam: But yet it has a huge value and the huge value is clearly just people doing
Sam: manipulation, pump and jump.
Ivan: Yes, a lot of people, you know, and that's the thing. Initially,
Ivan: the reason why it went up is a lot of people talked it up.
Sam: I will add one more thing. Wait, one more thing that's important that people have talked about.
Sam: It also provides a vehicle to buy, buying the stock and pumping it up.
Sam: You are effectively giving money to Donald Trump. Yeah, giving money to Donald Trump.
Ivan: Correct. That's right. But well, in the short term, here's the problem here.
Ivan: But here's the big problem that that they're that Donald's facing. This isn't liquid.
Ivan: Nobody's loaning him money against these shares. The shares are not marginable.
Ivan: And so that's why, for example, when he was trying to secure money for the bonds,
Ivan: OK, that he needed to post, OK, for the lawsuits, nobody would take these shares, OK?
Ivan: Because everybody because one of the problems with these shares is that because
Ivan: he owns 60% of the shares, if he were to sell a substantial number of the shares,
Ivan: the stock would just collapse.
Ivan: Right. I mean, it would collapse like, you know, there is not enough demand
Ivan: on the other side to prop up that price.
Sam: And people have been speculating for a long time that basically as soon as he
Sam: was able to, he would just completely rug pull and take out everything he could.
Ivan: Everything he could. Right. And so one of the things...
Ivan: So one of the things that happened is that as the lockup approached,
Ivan: okay, he went publicly and made a fucking public statement.
Sam: That he would not sell.
Ivan: That he would not sell. Okay. Which is another way to try to pump up the fucking
Ivan: price of this shit box. Okay. And it did.
Ivan: Okay. It had an immediate effect of like pumping up the price like 20%,
Ivan: you know, 20% on that one day. Okay.
Sam: But then it fell back down.
Ivan: No, no, no, no. It stayed up somewhat.
Sam: It stayed up a little bit, but there was a spike, and then it went down most
Sam: of the spike, but it's still higher than it was.
Ivan: It's still higher, bottom line. It's still higher. So it got the effect of pushing
Ivan: the price up to a certain way.
Ivan: But again, I just feel this entire maneuver right now.
Sam: Just to be clear on, higher than it started, but it was back to where it was
Sam: three days earlier. As you said, it had been falling.
Ivan: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it had the effect of pumping it
Ivan: from the low, because it reached like an all-time low, okay, at that moment.
Ivan: But here's the interesting thing, that Trump went and sent out a message, okay?
Ivan: He sent out some message saying that the stock was under investigation for manipulation.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Okay, and here is the thing. This was September 13th, so this was yesterday
Ivan: at 6, okay? Okay, why is NASDAQ halting the sale of DJT?
Ivan: What right do they have to do this? They have done it twice today.
Ivan: What's going on? Are they taking orders from the SEC, which for political reasons,
Ivan: the latest for an inordinate amount of time, therefore hurting the stock very badly.
Ivan: I'm going to hold NASDAQ and maybe the SEC live before they are doing.
Ivan: They do it again. We will move the stock to New York Stock Exchange.
Ivan: They won't touch the fucking stock.
Ivan: It is my intention to own the stock for a long period of time.
Ivan: Time! In my opinion, it is the real voice of America!
Ivan: But it's definitely my voice!
Ivan: And it will be for a long time to come.
Ivan: So, you know, as with every statement that Donald Trump says,
Ivan: I'm sure that everything that he just said in there is a complete lie.
Ivan: He probably intends to...
Ivan: cash this thing out as quickly as he is able to, as he has done with everything else for that matter.
Ivan: I think about what happened, like why the hell is he, isn't he really a really
Ivan: solid billionaire is because he, he liquidated all his dad's real estate properties
Ivan: that actually had the cashflow because he needed the fucking money.
Ivan: So now the interesting thing is that sec is investigating this because as I've
Ivan: mentioned before, this fucking stock, there's been.
Sam: I mean, way, way.
Ivan: Way too many, any.
Sam: Well like outside trades just start
Sam: statements yeah pumps well and
Sam: even from the beginning like supposedly like
Sam: if i understand correctly these spacks aren't supposed to approach whoever they're
Sam: intended to buy until they have the funds and blah blah blah and there's evidence
Sam: that there was back and forth with this company before they even did the acquisition
Sam: and you know in improper Proper contacts.
Sam: And so from the very, very beginning, I mean, haven't some people already been charged based on?
Ivan: There have been charges. Some settled.
Ivan: Digital World Acquisition, the SPAC that was founded and backed by Orlando,
Ivan: one of the guys involved, settled fraud charges with the SEC last year.
Ivan: Then the regulator sued Orlando this summer, accusing of misleading investors.
Ivan: Gee, what a shocker. You know, so those cases are separate from a series of
Ivan: lawsuits related to Trump, the stakes of Orlando's ARC, his partners,
Ivan: and, you know, and rules surrounding restrictions of sales.
Ivan: There's just, this thing is just, it's not just that it's a hypervalued thing
Ivan: of something that makes no money, okay?
Ivan: It's also an entire cesspool of investigations, fraudsters, hucksters,
Ivan: lawsuits. I mean, you know, even the people themselves.
Ivan: I mean, Donald tried to pull the rug out from his partners and take away their shares.
Ivan: I mean, it's just, you know, it's the ultimate shit show. It really is.
Ivan: And well, but he is screaming, Yvonne.
Sam: If you're casting doubt on this one, at least you can have confidence in the Donald Trump NFTs.
Ivan: All the NFTs. Yes, of course. Yeah, those are.
Ivan: And the thing is, as I saw on the cover of Bloomberg today, the first thing
Ivan: is, first story, Trump can only watch this as media stake takes a $4 billion dive.
Ivan: Buyer beware, said Paul Krager, co-founder. And then right under that,
Ivan: talking about the NFTs, beyond the Trump crypto project, there's a self-described
Ivan: dirtbag of the internet.
Sam: Oh, yeah. The new Trump crypto project that's about to launch,
Sam: by the way. Not the NFTs from before.
Ivan: Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, it's amazing. You know, it's like, I mean,
Ivan: the guy, you know, I always love to make sure that my investments are directly
Ivan: tied to somebody that is called the dirtbag of the internet.
Ivan: I know that that, that, that gives me, you know, that, that totally gives me
Ivan: the warm and fuzzies about where my money is. I don't know about you.
Sam: Of course.
Ivan: That's, that's just, that, that's just the way I like my, well,
Ivan: that's where I like to park my money for sure.
Sam: So, so really, if you look, if you look at all the stuff surrounding this company, the DJT company.
Ivan: Listen, a whole bunch of morons, fraudsters and hucksters are in this damn thing. Nobody else can.
Sam: Well, right. Yeah. Yeah, and true believers who believe it's the way to support Donald Trump.
Ivan: Oh, those are the morons. Oh, those are the morons.
Sam: Okay. And also people who are using it as a mechanism for bribery as well.
Ivan: Oh, and yes, absolutely. Yes.
Sam: You know, someone pointed out that if Donald Trump wins,
Sam: like, you know, if you thought you had emoluments issues before,
Sam: having a publicly traded company where he has majority ownership is just an open door to.
Ivan: It's just hyper, you know, inflate the stock to the moon. Hey,
Ivan: Donald, we're buying, you know, we're going to make a huge buy.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: A huge buy.
Ivan: We're going to buy, you know, whatever. We're going to pump that price to the moon.
Sam: And, you know, as far as I can tell, you know, SCOTUS would be fine with it
Sam: too. They, their only problem is they weren't in on it.
Ivan: Basically. Only some of them.
Sam: No, but my, my question to you was, is there enough here that we're talking
Sam: a serious chance of more criminal charges against either Trump or the people around him?
Ivan: For sure. For sure.
Sam: Do you think Trump is Trump himself exposed?
Ivan: I'm sure he is because he's made, listen, making all these public statements
Ivan: about a stock that are fraudulent is, is, is a crime. Well, but I mean.
Sam: But let's keep in mind, like, didn't Elon get in trouble for this over and over
Sam: and over again, but never really pay a million.
Ivan: No, he got, he got fined a lot of money. Okay.
Ivan: Now, you know, he's money. No, no, by the way, but, but here's the one thing.
Ivan: i don't know if you've noticed you know what
Ivan: i don't know if you've noticed that he's actually cut back on
Ivan: the stupid bullshit he says about his about about about
Ivan: stock yeah yeah because it did
Ivan: get him into a whole bunch of trouble it did enforce a monitor
Ivan: to people they did force them to do a whole bunch of things
Ivan: so even as if you haven't
Ivan: noticed when it comes to like saying stuff that like
Ivan: like you said before like funding secured or that kind of crap
Ivan: or whatever ever he hasn't been doing that and
Ivan: it's because i know his board basically said stop fucking
Ivan: with the goddamn stock okay right
Ivan: and so so he has been avoiding that okay of
Ivan: the few things that he's avoiding getting into trouble about which apparently
Ivan: he's just i i you know i will tell you that elon so he's been banned in brazil
Ivan: you know x has been banned in brazil yep man i'm i'm I'm looking at that's going
Ivan: to embolden other countries to say, fuck you, you're, you're,
Ivan: you're banned. You're done.
Ivan: You know, I, I think that the rate is going.
Ivan: I saw that he's getting into trouble with Australia where he also called them
Ivan: fascists. I'm sure that then I'm sure the regular just really love that have, have him saying that.
Sam: So, okay.
Sam: You got more on this?
Ivan: No, no, no.
Sam: Shall we take a break and then do politics?
Ivan: Well, it was only one subject. We can jump straight into politics and then we take a break.
Ivan: You know, one and one. I picked one. You picked one. You want to take a break? Okay, take a break.
Sam: Well, what we've been doing lately, we could alternate like that.
Sam: What we've been doing is the whole first segment is stuff you pick.
Sam: And then the whole second segment is stuff I pick. So do you have more to pick
Sam: in your segment since it isn't that long?
Ivan: Oh, you want me to pick something else? sure pick.
Sam: Something else all.
Ivan: Right also let's pick something else that's going on okay hold on and.
Sam: I mean if you want to jump right into the politics we can it's your choice and
Sam: then i'll pick something else later which might be more politics depending on.
Ivan: What we do well okay i'm gonna talk about okay there's a second thing i posted
Ivan: in here before we're talking to politics it's politics adjacent but it really
Ivan: isn't and so i posted this thing about flood the zone with shit which is steve
Ivan: bannon's thing and this will.
Sam: Relate to lots of the other stuff but yes go ahead.
Ivan: It relates to it but it's it's i'm talking more a little bit of uh i had an
Ivan: interaction this week with a 25 year old okay who college educated and whatnot
Ivan: and she seriously asked me is michael jackson really dead and i'm like yeah and i'm like.
Ivan: Yeah that michael jackson's really dead yeah and
Ivan: i can't remember something else that she asked about
Ivan: earth is flat have we landed on the not
Ivan: not that bad not not not that bad but it was stuff like
Ivan: a little bit more and you know
Ivan: i will say that what i what i
Ivan: did tell her and when i told her it did turn a light bulb on her head and she
Ivan: realized oh shit you're right is i said look let me tell you something i've
Ivan: been around for a while and worked at executive positions a number We work with
Ivan: companies, work with executives and all this stuff.
Ivan: And also with, I mean, you know, we're talking with political figures,
Ivan: you know, and stuff and other things that I've had direct relationships with.
Ivan: And what I said is that, look, let me tell you something.
Ivan: Everybody says, like, all these companies and whatever, we're having all these
Ivan: conspiracies, we're hiding the murders and things and stuff and whatever.
Ivan: Let me tell you something.
Ivan: Most of these big organizations are so fucking disorganized.
Ivan: It's amazing that we even do what the fuck we're supposed to be doing,
Ivan: let alone, let alone hide such a fucking conspiracy.
Ivan: And also, and she thought she, where she's working at, she said,
Ivan: holy shit, you're right. Yeah. So, you know what?
Ivan: Don't listen to that shit because it's just people like just trying to manipulate and confuse you.
Ivan: So at least I did my good deed and tried to finally put in her head,
Ivan: oh yeah, what the fuck am I talking about?
Ivan: These people can't organize a trip to the bathroom. How the fuck are they going
Ivan: to hide, you know, this shit?
Ivan: Come on, people. I mean, and, and, but, but what, what it does.
Sam: And by the way, I realize. I don't think this is specific to the places you've
Sam: worked. I mean, it applies to like everywhere.
Ivan: Every place I've ever worked.
Sam: I mean, it's just everywhere. I mean, you put it well, it's a miracle.
Sam: anything ever happens if you look at
Sam: the minutiae of what's going on day to day it's just
Sam: like people are disorganized there's people like working at odds with each other
Sam: there's miscommunication all over the place all the time all the time and i
Sam: mean you know people are trying not to i mean it's not intentional usually but
Sam: like it's just it's just the nature of large
Sam: organizations hell even of small organizations that you know it it's human nature
Sam: it's like heart and like all of these conspiracy things the people that point
Sam: out like all the people who are like they're.
Ivan: So organized that hermetically they were able to create the synthetic being
Ivan: that made us believe that and then every single person organized it so perfectly
Ivan: and maintained in a perfect secret.
Sam: Well are you insane i mean people bring this talking about all the we can't even.
Ivan: Get two damn.
Sam: Astronauts back.
Ivan: Down from the.
Sam: Fucking space station.
Ivan: Right now for god's sakes and they've been trying to organize that for five
Ivan: years how the fuck you think we we would fake a moon mission when for real we
Ivan: can't we got these two assholes stuck in there until next year.
Sam: Right well and look you people say this about all these old conspiracy theories
Sam: as well i mean i mentioned the moon landing this is the jfk assassination There's
Sam: this, there's that, there's this.
Sam: And it's like, do you realize how many people who would have to have kept their
Sam: mouths shut for decades?
Sam: In order to like keep the truth from coming out, you know, it's like, sorry,
Sam: like there's, you know, okay, there, I fully admit there are some secrets that
Sam: end up never being exposed because only a very small number of people knew them
Sam: and they all die taking it to their grave.
Sam: But like for something big where you have like, you know, you had to organize
Sam: a conspiracy and lots of people working together and blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: Of thousands of people.
Sam: Of thousands of people i mean you know like oh they faked the moon landing do
Sam: you know how many people worked on that shit over the course of like decades
Sam: oh yeah it was all fake all nobody noticed.
Ivan: None of those people noticed.
Sam: You know god almighty.
Ivan: So but what it what it highlights to me is in this day and age still how the
Ivan: strategy the band is strategy and how it's really undermined our.
Sam: Discourse everything in general everything the fundamental issue is forget forget
Sam: about the massive conspiracies the the fundamental problem is that for the normal person
Sam: at all, even for people with lots of time, you know, how do you know who to trust,
Sam: when the zone is being flooded with shit, you know?
Ivan: Well, the one thing is that they've also misplayed, you know,
Ivan: and I, and I blame also, I blame Democrats and some other people for some of
Ivan: this in terms of all the people that like, I hate the New York times.
Ivan: I'm going to, I'm going to cancel a subscription.
Ivan: And the reason why they're pissed off is because they hate what's being published
Ivan: for the most part in the opinion page. and for sometimes for being selective
Ivan: in what stories they covered. And for headlines, right.
Ivan: Because the reality is that most of the facts, the facts that they are mostly
Ivan: presenting are as accurate as they have been able to gather them.
Ivan: There may be, you know, you can nitpick the headlines, you can nitpick the story
Ivan: selection, but they are not creating fake stories.
Ivan: And to nitpick also the opinion page is ridiculous Because it's a fucking opinion page!
Ivan: You know, unfortunately... Oh, well, I don't want to hear those opinions. Well, fuck.
Ivan: Look, those opinions are the reality that we live in right now, okay?
Ivan: And yes, I disagree with them, but that's the fucking reality of it right now.
Ivan: Even on the opposite side of Wall Street Journal, as much as,
Ivan: you know, the Wall Street Journal opinion page is a bunch of psychopaths,
Ivan: okay, in many cases, the reality is that the newsroom is completely separate
Ivan: from that, and they try to cover news as they cover news,
Ivan: with facts, with figures, and things, and checking, and whatever the fuck and whatnot.
Ivan: But the reality is that they've made everybody question everything.
Ivan: And when people don't understand the difference between, say,
Ivan: some fucking shitty website, whatever,
Ivan: that does no fact checking that just like right now, because what happens is
Ivan: you post whatever the fuck it is versus a news organization that for all its
Ivan: foibles is actually when they are posting a fact,
Ivan: they're trying to check if it is a fact.
Sam: Um well and and but part part of like part of the misinformation techniques
Sam: that have been going on lately and you know even the the the russian influence
Sam: thing indictments that we talked briefly about last week they create places that.
Ivan: Look like real or.
Sam: New yeah they create fake websites that are like you know instead of the new
Sam: york times it's the new york news or something and it looks legit because at
Sam: this point like to spin up a website that looks Oh.
Ivan: It's the thing.
Sam: It's trivial. It's trivial. It's trivial. You know, like anybody can do it. Anybody.
Sam: And then you start pushing social media stories at it.
Sam: And the first person who, you know, if you just casually look at it and you're
Sam: like, oh, the, the, the, the San Diego Herald.
Sam: Okay. I don't know if the San Diego Herald is a real thing or not.
Sam: I see the story. I read it. It looks legit. And what am I, you know?
Sam: And so like, and I see this all the time now, and I've admitted before,
Sam: I've occasionally fallen for them, right?
Sam: But like, when you see a link to like a story or a quote or a whatever,
Sam: and you do not immediately recognize the source and recognize- Well.
Ivan: But here's the thing.
Sam: It's also to be like- doubting it. But here's the thing. Like,
Sam: you know, we, you and I are news junkies. We pay attention to all this all the time.
Sam: If we see a link and it's like, wait a second, like that's not the paper in San Diego. Oh,
Sam: I don't even know.
Ivan: You remember that we shared that we shared that somebody had like edited that
Ivan: that Fox News page where they showed, you know, like Donald Trump with no military support.
Ivan: And, you know, yes. And I think that so many people would fall for it.
Ivan: And, you know, it was like reality that I shared it. I'm like,
Ivan: this has to be. But actually, I shared it. I say this has to be fake. Right.
Ivan: Right. OK, well, you know.
Ivan: Yeah. And I was like, and then we looked and we said, yep, there's no such bolt.
Sam: I'll give you another example. Just from earlier today on the curmudgeons corner
Sam: slack, one of the people on our slack, it was Pete posted a screenshot of what
Sam: I believe is a Twitter post,
Sam: confirmed Laura Loomer banned from the president's plane.
Sam: Won't be allowed physical access to him. Again, physical access is being stressed,
Sam: perhaps related to Laura's repeated reference to her intimate relationship with DJT.
Sam: Laura's demented lies may cost Trump his election. Now, we're probably going
Sam: to talk about Loomer in the next segment, but the point related to you is this
Sam: is from some guy named Nero.
Ivan: Well, it's Milo.
Sam: I know, it's Milo, but yeah.
Ivan: Well, of course, who knows if it's really Milo or not.
Sam: Who knows if it, like, it's got a little checkmark, but who knows what those
Sam: mean on Twitter these days. And even if it,
Sam: was from that guy, Milo Yanan, whatever his name was.
Sam: That's not exactly a trustworthy source.
Ivan: No, no.
Sam: You know?
Ivan: But I think, well, I don't know if... To be fair, wait, wait, wait.
Ivan: I don't think that Pete was posting this as some kind of authoritative thing.
Sam: No, no, no.
Ivan: I think he was posting it about the shit that...
Sam: No, I know.
Ivan: The crazy discussion that they're having inside. Here's the point, though.
Sam: Here's the point, though.
Ivan: The Republican circles.
Sam: This thing says confirmed colon. I guarantee you...
Sam: that all sorts of people seeing this are like, oh, it was confirmed.
Ivan: No, no, no. Yes, correct. That's exactly right.
Sam: Confirmed by fucking who?
Ivan: Who?
Sam: How was it confirmed?
Sam: No, no, it was confirmed. It's true.
Ivan: Confirmed.
Sam: It's definitely, this is the thing, you know? And this is the kind of stuff you see all the time.
Sam: And certainly social media is a big conduit for this kind of stuff, but elsewhere as well.
Sam: And the thing is like, you know, if, if you are a casual consumer who only hears
Sam: things every once in a while, then you don't like somebody says confirmed,
Sam: like I, how the fuck do I know?
Sam: And, and, you know, and if you see a link to an article and it looks like a
Sam: legitimate site, how do you know that this is actually a bogus site or this
Sam: is a site with a clear agenda or whatever?
Sam: And also, by the way, you've been trained not to trust the New York Times,
Sam: the Washington Post, CNN.
Sam: You don't trust any of those things because you know those are liberal liars.
Ivan: Right. And that's been the thing that's been going on where it's the flood the ship thing.
Ivan: And it's like, man, I, you know, especially for people who are not.
Ivan: diving into the woods around a lot of this right like you said it's very difficult for them to.
Sam: Ascertain what it's hard even for those of us who pay attention a lot it's hard.
Ivan: For us it takes effort.
Sam: It takes a lot and we screw up sometimes and.
Ivan: We screw up sometimes right yeah.
Sam: Absolutely and and a lot of it is well who can
Sam: you trust who can you not trust and like if you and at
Sam: this point like it is so easy to create
Sam: large volumes of content and the AI stuff is not
Sam: helping this no at all you can
Sam: create large volumes of content that looks legitimate and
Sam: and then at a certain point the amount of work it takes to figure out okay I
Sam: can trust this one I can't trust this one and blah blah blah and then every
Sam: once in a while the big guys do something that makes you not want to trust them
Sam: anymore because they screw something up,
Sam: And of course, like the, the, one of the big tells of like sort of the legitimate
Sam: places versus the non-legitimate places is the legitimate ones typically admit it when they fuck up.
Sam: Like if, if, if they, if they get a story wrong and then that is proven to them,
Sam: a retraction, they will do a retraction.
Sam: They will post something that has the real story afterwards and say,
Sam: we're sorry about that one.
Sam: We got it wrong. whereas like the places that are just trying to manipulate
Sam: they're they're never going.
Ivan: No they'll they'll post contradicting stories one day
Ivan: to the next yeah just like donald trump that's
Ivan: because yeah i mean he will double and triple down on it yes absolutely but
Ivan: yeah so but yeah so i i just uh you know but and this is i realized like i i
Ivan: got by the way another youngster another Another youngster this week asked me,
Ivan: and I realize because unions have been demonized so much,
Ivan: especially by Republicans,
Ivan: and you join a union, you're going to get fired or whatever.
Ivan: And I had somebody ask me, hey, because they saw this thing about the Boeing strike.
Ivan: Right. So if you go on strike, so does that mean you get fired?
Ivan: And I'm like, no. I'm like, well, what do you mean?
Ivan: Well, because there is a process to get to a strike. And I realized that she had no idea.
Sam: Legal protections, blah, blah, blah. It is possible to eventually fire those people depending.
Ivan: It is. But if you're following, but if you follow the legal process of negotiation,
Ivan: you know, getting through the bargaining process and doing all those things, you don't get fired.
Ivan: But I realized that that was another thing of misinformation that I'm sure that
Ivan: is out there, which is like this thing about scaring young people into like,
Ivan: oh, you, you joined a union, you're going to get fired.
Ivan: And I'm like, no, no, no.
Ivan: There is a right to strike. There is, you know, you can, if you negotiate and
Ivan: have done these things, you can just, you know...
Ivan: You know, you can, you know, strike and, you know, if you follow the process,
Ivan: it doesn't mean you get fired.
Ivan: But I realize it's another thing that, man, you know, this generation is getting hit by so much shit.
Sam: Well, and this is exactly the point. You know, you mentioned Steve Bannon's
Sam: quote of flood the zone with shit, but it's part of a much older tradition.
Sam: it's part of an authoritarian slash fascist tradition well it goes back this goes back.
Ivan: To the era of like complete you know gaslighting.
Sam: Gobbles and all those but they.
Ivan: Controlled all the mediums of communication one.
Sam: Thing that's happened of course the key is that I wanted to say though is the
Sam: whole point is make it so people don't trust anything anything Because then
Sam: if they don't trust anything,
Sam: it's very easy to come in and manipulate.
Sam: Like if there's no sense of, okay, we know this set of things is true.
Sam: If that is undermined and so lots and lots of people just have no idea what's
Sam: true, then they're wide open blank slates for you to manipulate and you to push your vision of things.
Sam: And that's when somebody that's charismatic and sounds good and sounds trustworthy
Sam: can come in and do whatever they want, you know?
Ivan: Yeah. Well, I think that.
Ivan: The one thing that it does create is just a situation where,
Ivan: you know, you posted this poll question that they did about the cats and dogs like. Yeah.
Sam: And we'll undoubtedly be talking about.
Ivan: We'll talk about how that and, you know, how.
Sam: This was a you.
Ivan: 54. Yeah. 54% said it was false. 26% it was true.
Ivan: I will admit that I feel good about the fact there's only 26% that it was true.
Ivan: But it definitely did make like that.
Ivan: You've got a big percentage of people that that were, again,
Ivan: flood the shit, you know, flood the zone with shit.
Ivan: They were like, oh, I don't know.
Ivan: I don't know. And so and that's and that's and that's what they love to to manipulate.
Ivan: I'm sure that, but I'm also sure that a lot of people in that outside the 54%
Ivan: that know definitively, that answer definitively, I keep saying there's so many
Ivan: of these fucking people that just whatever Trump says,
Ivan: they just want to say yes because to own the libs.
Ivan: The fact, it doesn't matter because they will just say it just to go and say,
Ivan: yeah, I'm going to say yes to my guy.
Sam: Right. Because it's not a, do you really believe this?
Sam: Right. It's a indicator of your tribe. It's like.
Sam: It's like, you know, and they know the right answer if they're a Trumpy.
Sam: And yeah, that's absolutely part of it too. Like it's not do they really literally
Sam: believe this is happening?
Sam: It's do they believe this is the right thing to say right now?
Ivan: Because we have to own the libs.
Sam: We have to own the libs. We have to support Donald Trump.
Sam: We have to do this. We have to do that. And so, yeah, but, but still,
Sam: you know, it's an indication and that,
Sam: Yeah, like 26% of the population is ready to say yes.
Sam: They believe that Haitian immigrants are abducting and eating cats and dogs.
Ivan: All right. And in conclusion, before we take a break, I want to just say one thing.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: Fuck you, Pope Francis. Pope Francis. Okay, that didn't work out very well. Fuck you, Pope Francis.
Sam: Okay, explain this. Unless you're just randomly saying you want to fuck the Pope.
Ivan: I don't want to fuck the Pope. Okay. This, you know, he went,
Ivan: he pronounced himself that the choice between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
Ivan: is between two evils. Fuck you, Pope.
Ivan: Fuck you, Pope. I mean, that's just preposterous. You asshole.
Ivan: I had some modicum of respect for him when we said that. I'm like,
Ivan: he completely evaporate. It made it completely evaporate.
Sam: So, and just to be clear, his logic is that Trump is evil because he's mean
Sam: to immigrants and Harris is evil because she supports abortion.
Ivan: She doesn't support abortion. Okay. She supports a woman's right to decide what
Ivan: the fuck to do with their damn body because they're not a damn vessel to bring in babies.
Ivan: And, you know, and he says, oh, they support abortion.
Ivan: No, a fucking woman isn't a goddamn vessel. And nobody else gets to decide what
Ivan: the fuck they do with their damn body.
Sam: So, yes.
Ivan: Fucking assholes. I'm so sick and tired of them. They want to tell everybody
Ivan: else what the fuck to do. Fuck them all.
Sam: Well, there we go. And with that, let's take a break.
Sam: And then we will come back with debate and politics and all of that stuff. Stuff.
Ivan: Stuff.
Sam: Lots of stuff. Stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff.
Sam: there's a noise,
Sam: Ivan's got such a face on him right now he's mad okay let's do the break,
Sam: We are back. So I promised politics and I promised debate and all this kind of stuff.
Sam: And we sort of previewed, we got dogs and cats. We got Laura Loomer.
Sam: We got all kinds of fun stuff going on. Let's just start with the high level.
Ivan: Can I start with like, you just mentioned Laura Loomer. I think I saw today.
Ivan: I can't believe she's 31.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I mean, I, I, it's just.
Sam: I had no opinion about her age previously.
Ivan: No, no, no. It's just that. No, no. So the reason I say this is because I feel
Ivan: like she's been around being an asshole for a long time.
Ivan: It feels longer than 10 years. I don't think she was doing it. She was 11.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: So it must be like only in the last decade, I assume.
Ivan: Right. And so I'm just a little bit shocked that she's only 31 because,
Ivan: I mean, she, listen, this fucking asshole actually ran for Congress for my fucking
Ivan: district. Oh, that's right.
Sam: That's right. Yeah. I knew she ran in Florida. I'd forgotten that it was.
Ivan: It's in my fucking district. Well, she got crushed.
Sam: I presume you voted for her.
Ivan: Yes, of course. She got crushed, okay?
Ivan: You know, because the one thing about it is, forget about whether she's a Republican.
Ivan: She's unlikable anyway.
Ivan: I mean, it's like, you know, she's a jerk-off. So nobody likes her anyway.
Ivan: It's like Ted Cruz. Well, no, no, she's better than Ted Cruz.
Ivan: Here's the one thing. I think more people like Ted Cruz than they like her, as far as I can tell.
Ivan: So, but, but yeah, I'm just surprised that she's only 31. Okay.
Ivan: I, I didn't realize I'm pretty, let me confirm. Now I said that.
Sam: I believe I've seen that as well. You can feel free to confirm her age.
Ivan: Yeah. 31. Yeah. I, I.
Ivan: Yeah, she was a Republican nominee to represent Florida's 21st congressional
Ivan: district in the 2020 House elections, losing to Democrat Louis Frankel. Thank God.
Ivan: Who is a lovely lady, by the way. I've met her in person, Louis.
Ivan: I mean, it's like literally couldn't be more diametrically opposed difference between Lures.
Sam: Louis Frankel. You know, tangent here for just one second, but you mentioned
Sam: you met them. One of the weird things at this point for me with my wife being
Sam: in politics is like when I voted in the primaries.
Ivan: Oh, you knew who you were voting for?
Sam: I had personally met almost everybody I voted for.
Sam: I will say I'm not at that extreme.
Ivan: But I've met a number of the ones that have been on my ballot.
Ivan: But no, not everybody. but i mean her
Ivan: by the way the reason i met her was because i was on a flight to dc and she
Ivan: wound up sitting right beside me and coach one time and that's how i met her
Ivan: she just sat right beside me by the way she was sitting in coach which i'm like
Ivan: realized okay i love my congresswoman she's sitting right here beside me and
Ivan: coach is not fine whatever she's you know this is cool yeah no.
Sam: I mean it's like from local all all the way up like you know i i you know i
Sam: know a bunch of the local Local people – I've met and talked to the Democratic
Sam: candidate for governor.
Sam: Just two weekends ago, like I accompanied my wife to some sort of –,
Sam: like event for Labor Day. And our congressman, our congresswoman,
Sam: our congresswoman was there, Del Bene.
Sam: And, you know, she comes up to me, shakes my hand, recognizes me from having
Sam: talked to her before from being like Brandy's husband.
Sam: And it's like, this is weird.
Sam: I mean, I did not have an in-depth conversation.
Sam: I have not had in-depth conversations on politics with any
Sam: of of these people but i've met them i've said hi i've been
Sam: like introduced and blah blah blah and and like it's just weird because like
Sam: i don't know it's like these are people that you you're supposed to know about
Sam: on the news not people that you actually like would recognize you if they saw
Sam: you that's just weird anyway well.
Ivan: There you go so that's her so anyway all right so what are we gonna start.
Sam: Okay so i don't need us.
Ivan: On the polls i.
Sam: Wasn't going to you want me to I think it.
Ivan: Merits an update on.
Sam: The polls.
Ivan: Okay, so here's where we're going in the home stretch.
Sam: Okay, so first of all, I posted right after our last show.
Sam: I posted, well, actually a couple days after our last show.
Sam: Right before the debate, I posted a poll update to electiongraphs.com.
Sam: If you go to electiongraphs.com and then click on the blog tab, you can read it.
Sam: There have been quite a few polls just in the last few days.
Sam: Things are getting hot and heavy. There are new polls every day.
Sam: Since we have been recording, there have been new polls.
Sam: Since we've been recording this show, there's been a new poll in Wisconsin,
Sam: a new poll in North Carolina, and four new national results since we've been recording.
Ivan: Okay. Okay.
Sam: So I have not put those in. I'm looking at the North Carolina one.
Sam: The North Carolina one will probably flip North Carolina from Harris back to
Sam: Trump once I put it in later. But the bottom line remains, oh my God, this is close as fuck.
Sam: That's the bottom line. At the moment, my tipping point as of this very second
Sam: is Harris up by 0.1% in Nevada.
Sam: I bet you when I put this new North Carolina poll in, it will probably flip
Sam: to the Trump side because right now, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is like a dead tie right now.
Sam: in my average, like literally it says 0.0, which like my, my,
Sam: I actually have logic to try to prevent an actual tie.
Sam: It's actually slightly on the Trump side, but so small, it still rounds to 0.0.
Sam: Anyway, like it is, it is close every like there, there, there, there are tons.
Sam: Let me finish since you asked for this you know
Sam: i've said before like it's just amazing how many states are super close so let
Sam: me let me give you like all of the states right now where the margin in the
Sam: poll average is under two percent wisconsin michigan north carolina nevada pennsylvania.
Sam: Arizona georgia and also i have iowa in that category but that's because there's
Sam: been no polls in Iowa whatsoever.
Sam: I don't think I was really that close. And then Maine's second congressional district as well.
Sam: All of those have averages under 2% right now, which if you like,
Sam: and maybe you trust the polls, maybe you don't, but assume for the moment you
Sam: trust the polls, those are all fucking toss-ups.
Sam: That is a huge number. Any one of those, like I count anything under 5% as toss-ups,
Sam: but these are all under 2%. These are really all states where to put your money
Sam: on either candidate winning would be foolish.
Sam: They could really easily go either way.
Sam: And that takes you, like, if you do my 5% level, you know, it's all the way,
Sam: I, look, it's basically from a Harris landslide to a very solid Trump win right now.
Sam: Like all of those are reasonable possibilities given where polling is right now.
Sam: And that's where we are. I mean, now they're in the last two presidential elections,
Sam: polls have underestimated the Republican.
Sam: If that's true again, then Harris is behind. mind if
Sam: on the other hand we have all the indications that we've had in the last two
Sam: to three years that democrats have been over performing polls and like midterms
Sam: and special elections and all that kind of stuff then maybe harris is in really
Sam: awesome shape but we really don't know we don't know we don't know we don't
Sam: know we don't know now there's.
Ivan: One thing there is one thing that i don't because you know you usually focus very.
Sam: On states on states.
Ivan: But but But the latest national polls that have.
Sam: Come out. She has pulled up a couple percent.
Ivan: Yeah, she definitely has gotten a bump from that debate.
Ivan: Definitely gotten a bump. So we'll see how that translates into state polling
Ivan: and other things and how lasting it is in part because, you know,
Ivan: because Donald basically made.
Ivan: Look, I will say this. That was because the reason I said I'm not going to talk
Ivan: in general, but what my opinion is, why? Why?
Ivan: the she's gotten that much from the debate look that
Ivan: was the worst perform debate performance by a president
Ivan: since like fucking nixon against kennedy
Ivan: okay well i mean he really i mean
Ivan: let's i don't think you know people like
Ivan: trying to compare it to biden's look biden just sounded old if you read the
Ivan: transcript he didn't give you any means this fucking debate he said so much
Ivan: such stupid shit that your choice of which one of the preposterous idiotic statements that he did,
Ivan: do you want to make the most fun of?
Sam: Well, okay. We'll get into all the debate stuff first, but since you mentioned
Sam: that, I think there is a winner for that question, which one you want to make
Sam: the most fun of. So here we go.
Sam: okay well yes.
Ivan: I i i i mean i i i look
Ivan: no one in the history of a televised debate has ever said something so fucking
Ivan: idiotic ever it made dan quayle look presidential in a fucking debate.
Sam: Okay?
Ivan: I mean, it's just, I mean, the fact that this guy is still in a close race to
Ivan: the presidency after saying something like that on national television, okay, is bonkers.
Sam: So let's, yes, Donald Trump completely, like, did badly, but let's not sleep
Sam: on the fact that kamala or kamala harris also did incredibly well oh.
Ivan: Yeah yeah yeah it was both it was both.
Sam: Yeah i mean it was like because the.
Ivan: Thing is that she she really manipulated.
Sam: Yeah into a.
Ivan: Lot of these stupid.
Sam: And look what she.
Ivan: Really and she let him just oh people are saying oh she's talking too much no
Ivan: she's like hey i baited him into it i'm giving him the rope to just fucking like hang himself.
Sam: And here's the thing they telegraphed this strategy for like a week or two before
Sam: the debate as well it's not like they were shy about it walls has spoken about
Sam: it you know i mean since the debate walls has specifically said look look how
Sam: easy this guy is to manipulate imagine fucking.
Ivan: Putin or anybody else how they fucking like blame like a fucking violin.
Sam: But this i mean come on but this is the whole thing this is and it was clearly
Sam: a design strategy in every answer that harris did She did it sort of like as a sandwich.
Sam: She would talk about her policy stuff.
Sam: Then she would throw in something to bait Donald Trump.
Sam: And then she would talk about more policy. And then Donald Trump- He couldn't resist.
Sam: He couldn't resist. He could not let go a single one of those things.
Sam: She brings up crowd sizes. She brings up his conviction. She brings up this. She brings up that.
Sam: And the guy, he could not not respond. He could not, not, not,
Sam: not, not, not. He couldn't respond.
Ivan: No, no, no. He couldn't not respond.
Sam: Yeah, there you go. Could not not respond. There you go.
Ivan: Yeah. Yeah. He just couldn't keep his mouth shut. Yeah. It was like,
Ivan: you know, I mean, it was just like, I mean, it's like fucking trigger words. I mean, just whatever.
Sam: And that's the thing too. It's not just that he couldn't respond.
Sam: It's that he couldn't respond rationally.
Ivan: Right. He couldn't respond rationally. What he would do is just get emotional
Ivan: and just, you know, start spewing horse shit.
Sam: Right. And like, apparently even this cats and dogs thing, which probably is
Sam: worth more time, But this was a prepared thing that they spent.
Sam: From one report I read, he was going to use this to pivot onto other immigration problems.
Sam: And he was actually not going to claim that this was true. He was going to use
Sam: the conversation about it as something to blame the Democrats for and then pivot
Sam: to something else immigration related.
Sam: And they had prepped him on a whole bunch of immigration related stuff.
Sam: But once he got onto this, he could not let go. And he, of course,
Sam: did jump to, it's true, it's happening. I heard it on TV. It must be true.
Sam: You know, and in all of these places where he went off, the problem is he just
Sam: comes off completely unhinged.
Sam: And also, it's...
Sam: Several of these instances, including the immigrants eating pets,
Sam: things were related to deeply online conservative rat hole memes.
Sam: Like you would know what you're there talking about if you spend a lot of time
Sam: on 4chan and gab and these other places.
Sam: But like the normies are just like,
Sam: what the fuck? fuck what is he talking about like i i've seen a number.
Ivan: Of my listen my wife was watching the debate okay
Ivan: i did not because i and and she was like i don't know if there's a shot of a
Ivan: crowd that heard this yeah that they're watching it that exploded laughter she
Ivan: was the same she was like what the fuck i mean it's like anybody who just was
Ivan: a normal person heard this and just was like Like,
Ivan: what in the hell is he going on about?
Sam: Oh, yeah.
Ivan: It's just so bizarre.
Sam: And I've seen a number of those sort of reaction shots of like crowds in various
Sam: places that were having watch parties or whatever.
Sam: And yeah, laughter all over the place.
Sam: Now, to be fair, I don't know what the inclination of people at those watch
Sam: parties was to start with.
Sam: I have not seen one that specifically said, here's a crowd of maggots breaking out into laughter.
Ivan: Yeah, let me tell you something. I guarantee you that from what I saw,
Ivan: from a whole bunch of the Republicans, the moment that they saw that,
Ivan: it was like, oh my God, what the fuck?
Sam: Well, and that goes to the immediate Fox News reaction,
Sam: which was if you see clips of the various people on Fox News reacting within
Sam: the first hour after the debate, because they got their act together after that.
Sam: But within the first hour, there's quote after quote of people just going like,
Sam: Well, he clearly screwed up. This was not a good night for Donald Trump.
Sam: This was a train wreck, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: You know, very sad looking people on Fox.
Sam: They did seemingly get their act together in later days.
Sam: And so then they sort of got their stories straight where, you know, this was rigged.
Sam: This was a three against one thing.
Sam: Right. Fed Kamala, the questions, you know. This was a biased moderator, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: Kamala, here's a- And given all that, Trump did great.
Ivan: Listen, there is something to be said for somebody like Kamala.
Sam: Oh, and they only fact-checked Donald Trump. They did not fact-check.
Sam: Yeah, well, because Kamala- Because only one of them was lying.
Ivan: Well, it was a prosecutor.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: And, you know, when you are in that line of work,
Ivan: this kind of stuff comes off naturally to do, you know, you do the same when
Ivan: you're doing a cross-examination, when you're preparing for a trial.
Ivan: And I've done it more from the perspective of being the person that's going
Ivan: to be in the witness stand, but not from from the attorney doing it himself
Ivan: because I'm not an attorney.
Ivan: But I know the kind of preparation and how they go and how they practice and
Ivan: how they, you know, what the questions are not and how to.
Ivan: I mean, you've been you've been training this your whole life as to how to do this discussion.
Ivan: And it's like a little bit like, you know, we make fun of our little like podcast
Ivan: over here. But I remember like a couple of years ago that I got interviewed
Ivan: by some TV stations in Mexico and radio for some stuff related to our company.
Ivan: OK, and the guys that were doing the radio broadcast, they were like,
Ivan: shit, you're like a fucking natural on the radio.
Ivan: What the hell? I'm like, well, you know, doing this, believe it or not,
Ivan: helps you prepare for that kind of like a scenario where you get the questions,
Ivan: you know, respond properly.
Ivan: properly, you know, know when you need to break that kind of stuff,
Ivan: even though we ramble on for hours in here, but it does, it does give you that prep.
Ivan: And so look, she, she's a natural at this Trump.
Ivan: You know, she is great at it. We've seen it before and other debate performances by her. Okay.
Sam: And by the way, this is important. This is an area where he actually prides himself on his skills.
Sam: This is his ability to be a television entertainer. This is, and she smoked him.
Ivan: Smoked him. Just smoked him.
Sam: So this is another one of these narcissistic injuries, which,
Sam: by the way, just to back up a little bit, she took control from the very first
Sam: seconds when she went over and shook his hand.
Sam: She went over, she went over, she went over to, and by the way,
Sam: when they, when he debated Biden, they never shook hands.
Ivan: That is such a power move. Let me tell you something. I've done that move to some people. Okay.
Ivan: Where I know that we're adversarial, like in a, in a litigation or something
Ivan: like that, where I've gone and like gone to shake their hands and it throws them off completely.
Ivan: Yeah. They're like, what the fuck? You just came over and shook my hand.
Sam: And he was clearly thrown off. Like, oh yeah.
Ivan: Yeah, he was thrown off.
Sam: First of all, she said her name aloud to sort of emphasize, this is how you pronounce it, dumbass.
Sam: Because he gets it wrong all the time and gets it wrong on purpose, by the way.
Sam: Like, we screw it up, but we want to get it right.
Ivan: Well, we're not very good.
Sam: But he gets it wrong on purpose, like as a way to try to needle her.
Sam: And she says her name, shakes his hand. And he tries to do the move where he
Sam: grabs the other hand and she does not allow that.
Ivan: No, don't do that.
Sam: So she took control of the scenario from that instant and never let go.
Sam: I will say the first couple of questions, she was a little unsteady.
Sam: There are a couple of places where I was like, she had a missed opportunity.
Sam: Like there was an obvious rebuttal that he was going to say,
Sam: and she should have anticipated it.
Sam: But like, that was the first couple of questions.
Ivan: That was just a little bit.
Sam: Then she hit her stride and like never looked back.
Sam: Like, you know, and like completely owned him.
Sam: Like, oh, was Michael, Michael Steele on MSNBC. Have you heard what he said?
Ivan: No. What did he say?
Sam: His comment, like he was asked for his opinion of the debate on air,
Sam: like a little bit after the debate ended.
Ivan: And by the way, for those of you, he was the head of the RNC for a while.
Sam: Yeah, he was the head of the RNC for a while, and now he's a commentator on MSNBC.
Sam: He's one of their token Republicans.
Ivan: Republicans.
Sam: He is one that says, like some of them, like Nicole Wallace and folks like that,
Sam: say they are ex-Republicans. They are no longer Republicans. They have quit.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Michael Steele actually says he's still a Republican, and he still holds out
Sam: hope to someday reforming the party and bringing it back from where it was,
Sam: but he's very anti-Trump.
Sam: Okay. Anyway, his commentary was, she spanked that ass.
Sam: That was it. Obviously, he said more after that, but that was his initial comment.
Sam: Because it really was, you could tell just looking at his face during the thing, he knew it too.
Sam: He knew he was getting crushed in this thing, you know, and, and like.
Ivan: But he, and, and he tried as usual, which is the double and triple down.
Ivan: And it just, it was like, I mean, all he did was just bury himself deeper.
Sam: Right now he did have one thing I've seen people point out that are defending
Sam: him is like, well, he, he won.
Sam: because he had the best closing statement ever because he brought up something
Sam: that she can't deny, which was like, well, if you have all these good ideas,
Sam: why haven't you done them in the last three years?
Ivan: She's not the president of the United States?
Sam: Well, A, but also this is like that whole response, which I've heard a lot of
Sam: people on the right harping on and saying how killer a move that is.
Sam: one of the reasons it possibly has some effectiveness is just the large percentage
Sam: of people who have no idea how government works right because on the one hand
Sam: a yes you're right she's the vice president.
Ivan: Of the united states but i think it's.
Sam: One thing that.
Ivan: Kamala said kamala said when when she was debating was that basically spent
Ivan: the last three years basically cleaning up the shit that you left behind.
Sam: Yes there's no but but it is also Also, just the general like,
Sam: hey, our system of government is set up with checks and balances.
Sam: Right. The executive can't just do whatever the hell they want.
Sam: You have to have, until they get rid of the filibuster, you have to have a super
Sam: majority in the Senate. You also have to have a majority in the House.
Sam: They haven't had that. You know, the bottom line is.
Ivan: Why should she execute any of this? Listen, Mr.
Ivan: Concepts of a plan.
Ivan: Stop it. by this bozo who goes and
Ivan: talks about how still to this day
Ivan: wants to repeal the affordable care act went and
Ivan: tried failed and right now when they ask them
Ivan: well what's your fucking plan well i have the concepts of a plan right like
Ivan: fuck you i mean you never had a plan you haven't had a plan and now you're you're
Ivan: just blustering of the fucking plan yeah listen well and that's another one
Ivan: eight years later he still doesn't have a fucking plan infrastructure week sam Well.
Sam: And on the healthcare one specifically, that's one where they did try,
Sam: right? Like, they could not come up with an alternative plan.
Sam: The best they came up with was just getting rid of it.
Sam: Repeal and we'll figure it out later. We don't have a plan for the replace,
Sam: but let's at least repeal.
Ivan: Let's just repeal it.
Sam: And that was stopped by John McCain. That's it.
Sam: Otherwise, they would have done that without a replacement because
Sam: they could not agree on a replacement because fundamentally they don't actually
Sam: believe in a replacement they don't believe government should be involved in
Sam: that at all right and that and that's the problem and that's why you get people
Sam: holding up signs of like keep your government hands off my medicare you know,
Sam: And stuff like that.
Ivan: Why don't we, so why don't we start by, you know, repealing Medicare?
Ivan: Oh, wait, keep your eye on that stuff.
Ivan: I'm just, I fucking, you know. Anyway.
Ivan: Look, but could I make a, since you mentioned John McCain, can I make a specific mention?
Ivan: Because we had this week, like,
Ivan: Dick Cheney saying that he's going to vote for Harris, okay, as well.
Ivan: And a lot of people were like, well, fuck him anyway.
Ivan: away look i i i no
Ivan: i'm not gonna say that because what i will say is that
Ivan: because they're they're he's the same as trump no i'm
Ivan: sorry they're not there's a difference between i think that w and and cheney
Ivan: as misguided and as wrong in how they were trying to do things i think they
Ivan: they thought in their head that that was what was in the best interest of the
Ivan: country i think that for the most part, they weren't doing it for themselves.
Ivan: Right. Whereas Trump is somebody that's just doing everything for himself.
Ivan: And that's the difference between like McCain,
Ivan: Romney, Cheney and W that as much as I disagree with what they want to do,
Ivan: they're not they I think that they believe that they're doing it for the better of the country,
Ivan: even if what they're doing is completely wrong.
Ivan: And I think that that brings a different mentality to how you approach things.
Ivan: And that's the reason why I think Cheney went and just flat out said,
Ivan: look, I don't give a shit. I don't agree with anything that she's doing.
Ivan: But I know that this other guy is just doing everything for himself.
Ivan: And this other person has interest in protecting the Republic, period. That's it.
Ivan: Anything else about that we can disagree on.
Sam: Yeah, so Harris has been saying in her speeches lately that the list of former
Sam: Republican administration officials going back is up in the 200-something range
Sam: at this point who have endorsed her publicly.
Ivan: Even Alberto Gonzalez, for God's sake, just endorsed Kamala for God's sakes.
Sam: Holy shit.
Ivan: I was like, what the fuck? Really?
Sam: And this is just the ones who will explicitly say they will vote for her.
Sam: However, there are others who will say they won't vote for Trump,
Sam: but are doing some write-in crap or whatever.
Sam: Pence has said he's not going to vote for Donald Trump, but he's going to write in his wife.
Sam: I think Romney has said the same kind of thing.
Sam: W famously is not saying anything. He put out a statement saying he's not going to vote for Trump.
Ivan: But what I will say is that W has been consistent. He hasn't wanted to mention
Ivan: one talk about one damn thing about politics ever since he left office.
Ivan: And you know what? He has stuck to it and he's stuck to it now.
Ivan: And I'm like, I'm not going to give him shit about it because he's been consistent
Ivan: on it. He's just, you know what? Not my, not my place.
Sam: Nah, I don't know. I feel like I can still give a little shit, but you know, whatever.
Ivan: Well, you can give a little, I mean, you can give him a little shit,
Ivan: but I also understand where he's coming from as well. Well, I,
Ivan: I just, I just doesn't eat just as he wants to avoid it and paintings.
Sam: And like be left alone.
Ivan: No, he's also, you know, to give him credit, he's been also trying to help a
Ivan: lot of one bit warriors like nonstop.
Ivan: That's part of the stuff that he's doing with the paintings.
Ivan: So I don't know if that's just guilt in him or something or whatever.
Sam: But that's, that's part of it.
Ivan: But yeah, I think it is a big part of it, but Hey, it's the look.
Ivan: Look, I disagree with the whole thing. I go back to what I said about Cheney.
Ivan: You know what? He was wrong.
Ivan: He did a whole bunch of shit that hurt the country. But at the same time,
Ivan: I don't think that was his intention.
Ivan: Unfortunately, but he really fucked up.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So enough about the debate itself. Let's hit some of the sidelines.
Sam: We mentioned the dogs and cats, but I want to get into it a little bit further.
Sam: because on the one hand it's been
Sam: like everybody's making fun of him over the dogs
Sam: and cats and it's funny and it's a joke and
Sam: they're memes like i played the audio of that song
Sam: but there are like thousands of videos on so many versions of of you know the
Sam: of you know people dancing to it people showing that without without the music
Sam: showing their dog or cat's reaction to hearing Donald Trump say that there's,
Sam: you know, there's all kinds of really funny memes and it's like a joke and people
Sam: are clearly making fun of him.
Sam: But at the same time, people have pointed out like,
Sam: this is very intentionally just trying to rile up people's fear of immigrants by hitting a,
Sam: you know, people have like likened this to the blood libel against Jews.
Sam: It's basically just saying.
Ivan: Hey, it's a similar lines. Yeah.
Sam: It's, it's these folks. You should be scared of them because they're after your children.
Sam: They're after your kids. They're whatever they're, they're evil.
Sam: They're alien, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now.
Sam: And that even by making fun of it,
Sam: You are putting the thought out there in front of people.
Sam: And there have been in Springfield, Ohio, where this was, there have been bomb
Sam: threats happening. They've had to close schools.
Sam: There's been threatened violence against the Haitian community there.
Sam: And that you have to be really careful about this because you could unintentionally
Sam: amplify what they're doing.
Sam: And I've heard someone say that they have continued to double down on this after the debate.
Sam: And it is specifically because the Trump campaign feels, and we'll argue in
Sam: a second about whether this is right or not, but the Trump campaign feels that
Sam: it doesn't, A, it doesn't matter if it's true.
Sam: B, it doesn't matter if people are making fun of it. because in the end,
Sam: it means everybody's talking about immigration, even when people are refuting
Sam: it and saying there are no immigrants out there eating dogs or cats.
Sam: It is still pushing the issue and getting it into forefront.
Sam: And it's like an issue they feel like they're strong on and it'll help them.
Sam: That's what they bullshit.
Ivan: Look, I think here, here, the reason why I think that argument is bullshit is
Ivan: because when you want to make these arguments, like when, when Steve the man
Ivan: is talking about, you know, flooding it.
Ivan: You want to make it that it's somewhat credible and people take it seriously
Ivan: and discuss it seriously.
Ivan: When you make it so preposterous that people are just ridiculing it nonstop,
Ivan: okay, it has the opposite effect.
Ivan: All it does is like it riles up, yeah, the 26% of people that said it's true.
Ivan: But the reality is that you're not doing what you were trying to do.
Ivan: When you say these things, they need to sound credible and not,
Ivan: you know, that the primary reaction is laughter.
Ivan: You need to do it that it's subtle. You need to say, well, you know,
Ivan: they've been going in there like, because J.D.
Ivan: Vance was saying this before about Springfield. Well, there's...
Ivan: Surges in crimes and HIV and all of this other stuff and whatever stuff that,
Ivan: you know, sounds like he's informed that he pulled up the information.
Ivan: But when you look at all the data, it's all complete horseshit.
Ivan: But it sounds credible when you take it to the extreme of doing saying something
Ivan: that is just preposterous.
Ivan: It makes it that it that it bounces back. Now, the reason why they're doing
Ivan: this thing with the bomb threats and whatever,
Ivan: I think is more related to the fact that, you know, when he got fact checked
Ivan: on it, that it cited like public officials that said that it's bullshit.
Ivan: And I think that's why they're retaliating against, you know.
Ivan: Against those public officials in schools.
Ivan: But I really don't think it has anything to do with the people making fun of it afterwards.
Ivan: It has to do with the fact that all these MAGA idiots, every time that they
Ivan: latch onto something like this and they hear that public officials did,
Ivan: this is like the same thing with the lie about the elections,
Ivan: why they've been threatening election officials left and right.
Ivan: And why, for example, over here, My wife was telling me that Palm Beach County
Ivan: is struggling, struggling really hard to recruit people to volunteer for,
Ivan: well, not volunteer, because it's a paid job to work the damn election this cycle.
Ivan: Okay? They are struggling really bad.
Ivan: And so because, and they have heard about all these threats and all this shit,
Ivan: and that's why people are afraid to do it.
Ivan: And so I think that that's what it's got, you know, the making fun of it has nothing to do with it.
Ivan: It has to do with what he said, how he doubled down on it, and how all of a
Ivan: sudden, all of MAGA is offended that they got fact-checked on it by public officials,
Ivan: which they want to go back after.
Sam: So let me hit a little bit about the nugget of truth, the nugget of truth that
Sam: has been distorted to cause all this.
Sam: So apparently, and it took a couple days for people to sort of suss this stuff
Sam: out, there was an incident in Ohio.
Sam: like 150 miles away from Springfield. So not, not even in the town.
Sam: There was one single incident where a mentally ill woman did attack a cat and
Sam: did like, I did at least bite the cat.
Sam: I'm not sure if they ate the whole cat, but they did bite a cat.
Sam: There's video of it as police were responding to try to get this woman under control. hole.
Sam: So she was, she did, she did like do something bad to this cat.
Sam: There are pictures of her with like fur on her mouth or whatever,
Sam: you know, and the cat was at least injured. If not killed, I forget that level of detail.
Sam: It was hundreds of miles, 150 or so miles away from Springfield.
Sam: She was an American citizen.
Sam: So not, not, she was not Asian at all.
Ivan: So, listen, Sam, come on, nugget of truth. That goes even beyond the streets.
Ivan: You know how many incidents of animal cruelty happen in the United States?
Sam: Every day, every day.
Ivan: Every fucking day. You might as well just fucking look through a list of animal
Ivan: cruelty incidents and just randomly pick one to do the story.
Sam: Well, let me continue.
Ivan: Come on.
Sam: Let me continue. The other thing is there has been a significant wave of Haitian
Sam: immigrants into Springfield, Ohio. Now, here's the thing.
Sam: they were invited in. This was part of the, what is it, temporary protective
Sam: status for Haitian refugees.
Sam: There's a refugee resettlement program.
Sam: Springfield, Ohio had been struggling because of loss of population and businesses
Sam: shutting down, leaving, all this kind of stuff.
Ivan: A shortage of labor.
Sam: So Springfield raised their hand and said, can we have some people, please?
Ivan: And they welcome.
Sam: Them with open arms they are they are legal immigrants not illegal immigrants they are fully.
Ivan: They've got tps they've.
Sam: Got all their papers in order they are working legally that i've heard interviews
Sam: with people at various companies in town saying i love the haitian immigrants they.
Ivan: Are they are the hardest fucking working
Ivan: people look i i got you know uh so
Ivan: my my sons like therapists like
Ivan: many of them have been of haitian descent my had an employee that worked in
Ivan: the community over here who's our maintenance employee also haitian descent
Ivan: had i mean i don't know so many people look they're wonderful hard working people
Ivan: and by By the way, in Haiti, they don't eat cats and dogs.
Ivan: Yeah, it's not a thing. And one of our listeners, by the way,
Ivan: Richard, you know, who is one of our listeners, he's a doctor,
Ivan: lives in Columbus, Ohio.
Ivan: He's also Haitian. OK, by the way. And so I know I haven't I know he said that
Ivan: this week he had covid, so I hope he's feeling better.
Ivan: And I know he does listen to the podcast. I haven't heard him specifically address
Ivan: this and how fucking like pissed off he must be about this whole fucking thing
Ivan: because he does live in the state of Ohio.
Ivan: But it's just it's just the most preposterous fucking bullshit fucking story ever, man.
Ivan: And in my experience of, you know, like, listen, it's not just the Haitian immigrants,
Ivan: every fucking immigrant group that we get like right now are some of the hardest
Ivan: fucking working people you will ever meet in your damn life.
Sam: This is one of the things that we've mentioned when talking about immigration in the past.
Sam: Like if you are a person who is willing to rip up your entire life and move
Sam: halfway around the world, you are an extremely motivated person.
Ivan: Absolutely.
Sam: That is willing to make sacrifices and put in work and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: These are exactly the kind of people you want. And the employers who I heard
Sam: interviewed were exactly along those lines. They're like, they're good workers.
Sam: They come on time. They're good family people.
Sam: They do this. And the one guy I heard was like, I wish my American employees were like this.
Ivan: Work that hard.
Sam: And I would love to have, you know, a lot more of these guys.
Sam: They're great. And, you know, so.
Ivan: But the whole thing that this asshole J.D. Vance said, well,
Ivan: because the shooting up crimes and diseases and everything.
Ivan: There is no fucking single stat that says that that's true.
Ivan: It's what pisses. I mean, it's this whole flood the shit thing.
Ivan: He is just completely grossly lying about every damn thing about it. Everything.
Ivan: The crime, the things, the dog, everything is a fucking just racist trope.
Sam: Well, and the one thing that is happening is, especially now that they've been
Sam: working this up, it is increasing tensions.
Sam: You know, I've heard interviews with like, you know, Haitian people in that
Sam: town who are afraid to send their kids to school, even if they weren't closed
Sam: because of the bomb threats, because they're getting harassed on the street. eat now.
Sam: There are people who are, those same people who are going to work and being
Sam: appreciated at work are now getting, you know, asked by their coworkers,
Sam: are you eating cats and dogs?
Sam: What's going on? You know? And, and, and so like those tensions are being like
Sam: fanned by this in a place where it wasn't so much of a thing,
Sam: but now it kind of is because they're doing this stuff.
Sam: And it's because the whole thing is about fear and generating that fear and
Sam: getting people riled up.
Sam: I tend to think you are right in that when it transitions to outright mockery,
Sam: this is backfiring on them.
Ivan: Yes, 100%.
Sam: I think their idea absolutely was just get people scared of immigrants.
Sam: And the truth, the specific instance doesn't matter.
Sam: We're just going to and do all kinds of scary things. Like apparently what Trump
Sam: was supposed to do about immigration is they'd coached him on a whole list of
Sam: names of like women who had been sexually assaulted by immigrants,
Sam: by illegal immigrants specifically.
Sam: And he was supposed to rattle off the names and say, why don't you care about
Sam: this person and this person and this person? But he fucked it up.
Sam: He couldn't even do that.
Sam: And instead was talking about cats and dogs. But the thing is, even that other pets.
Ivan: By the way, yes.
Sam: And other pets.
Ivan: Because he said other, they're eating the dog.
Sam: Oh, and the geese.
Ivan: They're eating the pets.
Sam: The geese. Yeah, they're stealing the geese from the ponds and eating them as
Sam: well. But here's the, even if he had said.
Ivan: People, well, first of all, people don't,
Ivan: geese as pets. It's not common. Okay, I'm sure some people have.
Sam: Well, no, he was just talking about the geese at the parks and stuff like that.
Ivan: Well, okay. Well, but, I mean, people cook geese, right? It's a bird.
Sam: Right? It's not a usual. It's not a chicken.
Ivan: But, I mean, I'm sure that.
Sam: Like, geese have been eaten in the past. But it is not considered a thing to do. Not usually.
Sam: To go to your local park, grab a goose, kill it, and take it home and eat it.
Sam: I mean, unless you're RFK Jr.
Ivan: Well, yes. If you're RFK Jr., then that's, you know, that's basically how you make dinner.
Sam: Right. But, you know, and look, even the thing, if he had brought up the women
Sam: and blah, blah, that's another complete bullshit thing, because you can always
Sam: pull anecdotes of anything because any population has bad folks. All of them.
Ivan: Every single one. Yeah.
Sam: And even the things we were saying before, it's also somewhat like,
Sam: you know, wrong to say, oh, well, these people are all good workers.
Sam: No, they're not all good workers that just like any population,
Sam: they're good and bad and whatever.
Sam: So we don't want to like stereotype on the good side either.
Sam: But no, the thing is, yeah, you can always find those. But the actual rates of crime are down.
Ivan: But wait, to be fair.
Sam: And rates of crimes have a lower rate.
Ivan: Have way lower rates of crime.
Sam: Yes, way, like, yes.
Ivan: Way lower, like way lower.
Sam: Yeah, you can always find the bad example. But as a whole, an immigrant is less
Sam: likely to commit a violent act than an American.
Sam: Okay, enough about cats and dogs and the stuff related to it.
Sam: I don't want to let this go without talking about Laura Loomer as well.
Sam: And part of what was said about the cats and dogs is this is because of her
Sam: whispering in Trump's ear.
Sam: Now, I don't entirely buy that excuse because J.D. Vance has been pushing this
Sam: for the last week as well before.
Ivan: And he'd been pushing the cats and dogs.
Sam: Yes, he had. The breeze.
Ivan: Okay. Yeah.
Sam: All right. Okay. But apparently like a lot of the people in Trump's circles
Sam: are complaining that Laura Loomer has had too much access to Donald Trump and
Sam: has been filling his head with nonsense,
Sam: racist conspiracies, et cetera, et cetera.
Ivan: I thought there were other holes being filled, but that's my,
Ivan: that's my, that was my, my, my thought.
Ivan: I mean, there is a hole in his head as well.
Sam: But you know, here's the thing. Like, so there seem to be two levels of complaints.
Sam: There's the, there's the first level of complaint is simply like,
Sam: Hey, she's a nut job extremist.
Sam: She has too much interaction.
Ivan: I saw empty, but I saw, I saw MTG complain about that specifically.
Ivan: And I'm like, you're not Jewish space laser woman. Yes. What the fuck are you talking about?
Sam: When MTG is calling you out for being too racist.
Ivan: I mean, exactly. What the fuck? What fucking, you know, level of hell have we descended to?
Sam: Yes. Anyway, but of course the second level that started percolating almost
Sam: instantly after that is people...
Sam: With various levels of being explicit about it, implying that Donald is actually
Sam: having an affair with her.
Ivan: Okay. And let me just say this. From having experience with meeting many people
Ivan: that have had affairs over their life, every fucking signal that he is sending is flashing red.
Ivan: I mean, if you'll look at the checklist of things that make you flash red,
Ivan: is there an affair going on?
Ivan: This dashboard is at full red alert.
Sam: So you want to list some of those signs?
Ivan: Well, look, for example, the fact that all of a sudden he has been completely like at his side,
Ivan: that he has been grabbing her, that he's been very touchy feely with her in
Ivan: like ways that, you know, in public that that that usually you don't do that
Ivan: with somebody who is just a co-worker or something or whatnot or whatever.
Sam: He saves that for his daughter.
Ivan: Her yeah well yeah that's that's another person sending her kisses talking about
Ivan: her lavishly and rabbit ravishingly around her the fact that melania is nowhere to be seen well.
Sam: To be fair she hasn't been anywhere to be seen for years.
Ivan: Yeah yeah yeah but i but listen i i i do listen not even the debate sam look
Ivan: i do think that she obviously is gotten wind that he is doing shit on the side.
Ivan: And this is the kind of shit that normally spouses, when they are disgruntled
Ivan: and this guy is stupid, somebody else, they will go and say, you know, whatever.
Ivan: And so she knows that she needs some kind of payoff to get the fuck out of this marriage.
Ivan: What she's doing is right now, she's not going to file for a divorce right now
Ivan: before this, but you know what? She is just basically ghosting him right now.
Sam: Well, to be clear as well. I mean, that's not like new for Donald Trump.
Sam: I mean, we had this whole damn trial related to a story, Daniel.
Ivan: And, and, and of course it's like that his history is that he's done this many times before.
Ivan: So fucking fake to everybody in the circle that's been around. It's a fucking woman.
Sam: To he he's, he's cheated on every wife he's ever had.
Sam: He's cheated on every girlfriend he's ever had. You know, so this is,
Sam: it's not an unusual pattern, so it would not be surprising in any way.
Sam: but here's the thing I've seen like.
Ivan: Now is it listen is it ironclad that he's banging her no but is the preponderance of the evidence right,
Ivan: Leaning towards the fact that he's doing so? Yes.
Sam: So here's the thing, like the levels of this at the moment, like this sort of,
Sam: I hadn't heard very much about this before the debate.
Sam: After the debate, the first thing I started hearing are a whole bunch of finger
Sam: pointing about it was Laura Loomer's fault that he did badly at the debate.
Sam: Right. And at first it was all just about because of the things she put in his head.
Sam: Okay. But then I started hearing the implications of there was something else going on.
Sam: You know, Drudge, who like I haven't thought about Matt Drudge in years,
Sam: but like apparently the front of the Drudge report had some stuff about Loomer
Sam: and a heavy implication without outright saying it,
Sam: but clearly implying that something was going on there and talking about MTG being jealous.
Ivan: No, but, but wait, they're not talking about MTG jealous. Look at her tweets.
Ivan: They were full of raging jealousy.
Sam: Well, you could interpret them as just being mad that he was screwing up like because of her.
Sam: No. Or you could interpret it as jealousy over the influence,
Sam: not jealousy over an affair.
Ivan: Look.
Sam: Because, of course, Yvonne thinks that MTG also had an affair with him,
Sam: by the way, as well as several other people. Yes.
Ivan: Yes.
Ivan: Well, OK, again, pattern of behavior, preponderance of evidence.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: You know, the wife is gone. Well, it all adds up to that.
Ivan: Now, like I said, none of them are smoking guns. I don't have a fucking video.
Ivan: OK, but look, there is a clear pattern here.
Sam: Here and you know and what's happening is that he.
Ivan: Has a predilection for younger women you know.
Sam: Yeah like bill bill maher bill maher
Sam: on his show is like she's his type you know and this is what i'm saying about
Sam: percolating through the media environment like you got drudge and then you got
Sam: all kinds of people talking about it on like tiktok and stuff you have bill
Sam: maher explicitly saying it the on,
Sam: on like, unlike MSNBC and CNN, the closest I've heard are people saying things
Sam: like, you know, well, she's got a lot of influence on him and has had a lot of exposure.
Sam: If that's all it is without saying anything more explicit, because like,
Sam: like if you're at, if you're at a major news organization, you're not going
Sam: to go there unless you've got proof.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: But like Like all of the people who are at places where they're just like us,
Sam: like us, you know, we're willing to just spread the rumor, but you know, I have said here.
Ivan: Wait, here's what I've said. I have not said that I have definitive evidence
Ivan: that Laura Loomer is banging Donald.
Ivan: However, what I have said, and I will repeat again, is that the preponderance
Ivan: of everything Everything surrounding
Ivan: Donald and his track record indicates that that is highly likely.
Sam: So, and, and, and here's the thing.
Sam: like this, this is following whether it's true or not.
Sam: This, like I could see it being true. It's very plausible that it's true.
Sam: I could also see it being as somebody planting this idea and pushing it for their own purposes.
Sam: Like honestly, the trajectory of this, including Laura herself,
Sam: but all kinds of people might have incentive to do this.
Sam: Because honestly, this is following the exact same kind of trajectory through
Sam: social media as the J.D. Vance couch thing, you know, where someone said it.
Ivan: Well, that was more.
Sam: I admit there have not.
Ivan: In the J.D. Vance case, it's not like we have some kind of documented track record of him.
Sam: So, so far there are better memes about the couch than there are about Loomer.
Ivan: Yes. But like, give it a couple of days.
Sam: Give it a couple of days.
Ivan: That may change.
Sam: And the point of that is the, the JD Vance thing, like somebody just made that
Sam: up, you know, and, and going back to what we were talking about,
Sam: about flooding the zone with shit and being, and what can you trust? What can you not trust?
Sam: Like there is a possibility that somebody
Sam: just made this up and decided that we're going going to
Sam: push this agenda now and we're going to push this
Sam: story now here and here's the question about
Sam: this too is well what's the ultimate what are
Sam: you trying to get out of that because a like i've heard people say look assume
Sam: it's true assume the story goes out there mega folks will actually just be like
Sam: well shows he's a strong virile man virile man yeah he's in he's in his late
Sam: 70s and look, he's got this 31-year-old on his arm.
Sam: It's good for him. Good for him.
Ivan: Listen, there is nothing, like I said, there is nothing that he can do to this.
Ivan: There is this strong sector that everything that he does, they will like,
Ivan: you know, sing the praises of. No matter what.
Sam: On the other hand, I could see like, this is the Stormy Daniels thing all over again.
Sam: The reason he tried to shut that down was he was afraid It would lose him evangelicals,
Sam: you know, who like him for other reasons, but we're never really happy about his social life.
Sam: And oh, my God, look what he's doing with the porn star at the same time.
Sam: If it gets some evangelicals to stay home because they're like,
Sam: oh, he's cheating on his wife again, I can't support that.
Sam: Even if most of them do, if a handful you were taught, we talked earlier about
Sam: how close this damn race is.
Sam: A few votes in a few critical states can make the difference.
Sam: So, like, if you can peel off.
Ivan: I couldn't give. Listen, I couldn't give a fuck if he's fucking the entire fucking
Ivan: campaign staff. I don't fucking care. I don't fucking care.
Sam: You know well i'm not i'm not saying i'm not saying
Sam: it i'm not saying it but i'm not saying it because let me
Sam: say let me say this some politicians if they
Sam: were caught in something like this you could at least hang them
Sam: for being hypocritical and saying like you're you're so
Sam: sanctimonious but then you're doing this you can't do
Sam: that for donald trump he's never hide he's never
Sam: really hidden the fact that he's a playboy i mean yeah
Sam: he tried to quiet down the stormy daniel such but like
Sam: during the 80s and 90s mcdougall yes but during the 80s and 90s he was calling
Sam: up the press with that fake identity to brag about his affairs to try to get
Sam: them into the paper so like this is not something that like you know donald
Sam: trump has never claimed to be like,
Sam: he's never claimed to be anything else other than he is along these lines no.
Ivan: The one thing thing the only reason i you know i bring it up is well laura laura
Ivan: laura oh fuck this but whatever the fucking name is is it's a fucking racist
Ivan: psycho okay that's one thing oh.
Sam: Yeah so that's that's who he's choosing to associate with mtg saying that that
Sam: her comments were too racist was a direct response to a series of tweets she
Sam: made with incredibly racist things about kamala Harris, Kamala Harris.
Sam: And again, MTG is calling you out on that. That tells you something about just how racist she is.
Ivan: Like I said, you can fuck the whole campaign staff.
Ivan: I don't give a shit about it. I don't care. That's not my thing about it.
Ivan: But the thing is, again, it's like you said,
Ivan: the evangelical support all this shit you know
Ivan: these guys go and prop this guy up as a family
Ivan: man or whatever that is defender of the family you know
Ivan: make america great again and bring back family values fucking
Ivan: family values this son of a bitch will just fuck it you know
Ivan: he's claiming that family values is being with
Ivan: his wife and be with a family when he's just you know fucks
Ivan: whoever the hell he wants and then set goes out to people and says you know
Ivan: and then courts your support and I'm just like you know look you guys are hypocrites
Ivan: either you guys you know basically are okay with the fact that you know people
Ivan: have their choices in their relationships or whatever you don't tell anybody
Ivan: how to live their life yeah like I'm actually.
Sam: Sure like from the very beginning you know,
Sam: She, he and Melania probably, I mean, Melania knew what she was getting into
Sam: too, but the arrangement probably was keep it quiet.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: You know, so I can't imagine she's surprised by him having affairs,
Sam: but she didn't want to get dragged through the mud about it. Right.
Sam: And, and, and at this point, there are plenty of reports that like she actually hates him.
Sam: And so she's just looking for the right payday at this point, I'm sure.
Ivan: But well, the only thing that I saw Melania do publicly recently was some kind
Ivan: of like, you know, video infomercial for her schlepping some.
Sam: And she got paid a significant penny for that.
Ivan: Yeah. Some fucking like flogging some bullshit, whatever thing,
Ivan: you know, to make money. I think she was selling some.
Ivan: I don't know what the fuck. She was just some other grift, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever.
Ivan: What's the specific grift? Not important. Some other fucking grift.
Sam: And the handful and the handful of times she actually has showed up to campaign events, she was paid.
Ivan: Oh, that's right. The payments are on the FEC filings. Yes.
Ivan: This is so fucked up. You know, here's and I will say here is the contrast, right?
Ivan: What I understand is that Doug Emoff, when he got a divorce,
Ivan: I think that, you know, the one reason he was having an affair.
Sam: He had an affair with like their nanny.
Ivan: Yeah. And he wound up getting a divorce. But, you know, at some point in their
Ivan: relationship, but this has been, you know, record, you know,
Ivan: history has showed this, that they, they got past that. They get along well.
Ivan: They're, you know, they, they care of their kids, you know, you know,
Ivan: he got divorced and there, there, there is something that there is a certain level of.
Sam: They are still, they are still, they are still friends.
Sam: The ex wife is doing campaign events for Kamala Harris.
Sam: Right. Um, as I understand, they are friends to that, the current wife and the
Sam: ex wife, they, they consider themselves to have a co-parenting relationship
Sam: with all the kids and they get along well.
Ivan: And that just shows the, and that shows the respect that there is amongst those
Ivan: people that even though yeah you know he did something that you know you know
Ivan: his wife i'm sure felt betrayed by that that you know somehow they they got
Ivan: past that and that they have a decent sense of respect amongst them to to get
Ivan: along and that's fine i mean people know they talk about their blended.
Sam: Family and that you know.
Ivan: And that's the thing i mean and that's just my contrast with this fucking clown
Ivan: who I go and I see, I mean, my God,
Ivan: there was, there was no more fucking, like, I'm going to say like stomach wrenching
Ivan: moment for me, seeing his entire family, like the one that attended the,
Ivan: all his family members that attended the fucking RNC.
Ivan: And he passed by and it was like, basically like a whole bunch of strangers just filed past them.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: And, and I'm like, wow, that's the level of love and care that there is here. Basically zero.
Ivan: You're all just like useful props for me here. The ones that showed up because
Ivan: a few of them didn't even show up.
Ivan: Not his wife, not his daughter, Ivanka.
Ivan: She was like, get me the fuck out. I'm done.
Ivan: I don't want this shit anymore. I can't blame her.
Ivan: I mean, I would be done with it.
Sam: So one person on TikTok was like, I wonder if the October surprise is going
Sam: to be Laura Loomer announcing she's pregnant with Trump's baby.
Ivan: That would be, talk about an October surprise. Holy fucking hell.
Sam: Yeah, I don't know. I kind of doubt that. But like, if it did happen.
Ivan: Doubt it. Doubt it? Why not? Look at Edwards, for God's sakes.
Sam: The bigger, the bigger thing, the bigger October surprise would be if she aborts that baby.
Ivan: Shit. Now that would be an October surprise.
Sam: Anyway. Yeah. Like, I kind of feel like chances are this, like,
Sam: loomer thing will sort of blow over in the next few days. But you never know.
Ivan: I actually disagree. agree i think that this thing's gonna snowball because
Ivan: oh my god she listen she's not backing down she's been taking it up notches
Ivan: i mean she went like fuck she called lindsey graham flat out you know said he's gay well.
Sam: What it was lindsey graham came out with a big denunciation of what she was
Sam: saying and blah blah blah and she said i believe.
Ivan: We all know that we we all know that you're the closet gay, something like that.
Sam: No, her statement was something along the lines of, get over it,
Sam: Lindsay, we all know you're gay.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: Fuck. You know.
Ivan: I mean, I don't see, listen, her track record is not one of back and down.
Ivan: So, the thing is, you think that blow over my ass, she's a shit stormer.
Ivan: And she's gotten in there right now and has gotten attention.
Ivan: What she is going to do is stare to shit pot even more i'm telling you that
Ivan: right now no fucking way she's blowing over and just going and hiding not.
Sam: Not not.
Ivan: No way i mean if she did it it'd be a first.
Sam: I i guess i guess my question is
Sam: whether the real media not tiktok and such has the appetite to actually go after
Sam: a story about trump and boomer in in a way but on the other hand they don't
Sam: really matter anymore more like the tick tock mattered more does that.
Ivan: Matter right yeah so what if they if the new york times doesn't expose a on
Ivan: laura loomer and anybody gonna give a shit about that no.
Sam: No you're right it's it's it's the mocking on social media that will do it and
Sam: but but again i don't even know like would the if would there be any effect
Sam: whatsoever on the election i don't know because there's some people like like
Sam: we said like well well listen here's the problem no no no but sam damn.
Ivan: But here's the one thing that she's doing, okay, which is a problem.
Ivan: Look, she's having them, like as happens with so many of these,
Ivan: you know, right wing groups, they're, they're, they're turning on each other at the wrong moment.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: They're not, they're not unifying. They're turning on each other.
Sam: Well, and this is real. This was starting anyway, just because Trump was not
Sam: doing as well against Harris as he was against Biden, where there was infighting
Sam: going on. This is accelerating.
Sam: And I think you're right that that may be an effect. If the campaign itself
Sam: and the people immediately surrounding Trump start tearing each other apart and start,
Sam: like, in advance doing retribution for the loss that they think might be coming.
Sam: Right. I mean, and honestly, they still have a good shot of winning.
Ivan: By the way, even Trump thinks he's losing. Didn't you hear that he went on a rally?
Sam: The future vice president? Yes. He called Walls the future vice president.
Ivan: I'm like, what?
Sam: Yes. And, and yeah. And so we, we've got another number of things.
Sam: The thing is time is running out as we were recording, as we were recording 52 days left.
Sam: Okay. Two days. And so we've got a number of things. We've got this potential,
Sam: like his campaign spinning out of control and infighting, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: We've got the continued evidence of Trump, like not being with it.
Sam: You, you mentioned calling walls, the future vice president.
Sam: He's also been messing up almost on a daily basis.
Ivan: Where he is.
Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Like he was in California and thought he was in Hawaii. He was in Arizona.
Ivan: Pennsylvania or North Carolina. I don't know. He was like all,
Ivan: he was all over the fucking.
Sam: And look, I understand if you're traveling all over the
Sam: place i might get confused too but this is one of the things that if you're
Sam: running for president you make damn sure you get right like you know i you know
Sam: i've seen videos of people doing concert tours that got the city wrong and stuff
Sam: oh god yeah so that happened yeah.
Ivan: Well that happens all the time yeah.
Sam: But you know you get this right you know but and then just the,
Sam: unintelligible string of conversation and stuff like
Sam: that and i mean even the dogs and
Sam: cats thing is an example of that right where
Sam: he's not getting the information right
Sam: he's off topic he's not really doing what
Sam: he intended to do and there were multiple examples of that during the debate
Sam: where she she baited him in she baited him into the topic and then he got into
Sam: it and then he got sort of lost and rambly and it and so all of this is going
Sam: on like you know there's a lot of this that,
Sam: I mean, for all the stuff that people hounded Biden out of the race for,
Sam: Trump's just as fucking bad.
Sam: You know, and in some ways worse in.
Ivan: Many ways worse.
Sam: You know, and but, you know, that at this point.
Ivan: I'm going to say this again. The only listen, Biden was a stutterer,
Ivan: so he did struggle with like speaking for his entire life.
Ivan: So him fucking up things was always something that happened.
Ivan: It's just that his fucking up of
Ivan: things, you know, has combined with him sounding older because he is old.
Sam: That's it you know i saw a couple of
Sam: clips of him from the last week and they were still entirely
Sam: variable right like there were some where he was okay there
Sam: were some where it was like oh something's wrong with him right now so like
Sam: i think that with the pressure of the campaign off he's relaxed a little bit
Sam: so he's not like trying super hard to look like vigorous every appearance well
Sam: look he did make that one very funny appearance with the hat yeah.
Ivan: With the yeah Yeah, and that was hilarious. And, you know, he did that.
Ivan: You know, the guy, you know, asked him, and he's like, okay,
Ivan: fine. You don't fucking put the hat on. And then he told everybody,
Ivan: hey, just no eating cats and dogs.
Sam: Yeah, but I've seen others where he's sort of standing there not looking great. But, you know.
Ivan: I mean, he's eight. Sam.
Sam: I know, I know.
Ivan: I'm going to fucking remember this when you turn 82.
Sam: Oh, I'm confused all the time right now.
Ivan: Exactly. I'm going to see how the fuck you're standing over there,
Ivan: whatever, looking like all fucking beachy king. I mean, come on, man. I mean, no, no.
Sam: I know. I, I, all I'm saying is that I'm, I'm glad things turned out how they are at this point.
Sam: Like, look, I was, I was glad.
Ivan: I am glad. I am glad that Biden can get a rest. Can I be honest?
Ivan: Because you know what? But the job that he did the last four years,
Ivan: running a fucking election, running again, is fucking hard.
Ivan: And you know what? Right now, everybody, all of us, we need to bring this home for this guy.
Sam: Yeah. I was, you know, bringing up the history. I was against the people trying to push him out.
Ivan: So was I.
Sam: And specifically because they were, I felt like,
Sam: He was behind, but it was possible it would just be a hard slog.
Sam: But also, they were also very much like, we don't want Harris either,
Sam: this open convention stuff.
Sam: I thought the open convention thing would have been an absolute disaster.
Sam: But the way Biden actually pulled it off by immediately pushing Harris and essentially
Sam: cutting off any other alternatives off at the knees was perfect.
Sam: And I think this was the best possible way it could have gone.
Sam: Obviously, it's still a neck and neck race. Harris is not like yet pulling way
Sam: ahead or anything like that.
Sam: I would love it if she did, but I think we're better off than we would have
Sam: been with Biden at the same point, whether or not he could.
Sam: I think in the end, the dynamic would be all of those people who were like,
Sam: I can't vote for Biden because he's old.
Sam: Most of them in the end, when we got to October.
Ivan: They would have been like, yeah, they probably would have.
Ivan: But, but in the end, you know, they would have come home. yeah but
Ivan: in the end you know i this
Ivan: is the best other possible outcome alternative
Ivan: outcome i mean we said it before that if biden drops the only real had to be
Ivan: harris it had to be harris it had to be harris there's no other fucking realistic
Ivan: option and so so you know this is where we are with 50 fucking days to this
Ivan: damn thing and i'm just like 52.1.
Sam: As of this moment.
Ivan: Swear to god i I want, as many I have seen publicly express,
Ivan: I want to be able to get to this election win and hopefully fucking not have
Ivan: to talk again about fucking Donald J.
Sam: I will predict right now, even
Sam: if he loses, we will still be talking about Donald Trump for a long time.
Ivan: But it's going to be from a different perspective. Yes. I don't think that,
Ivan: okay, he lost once, he's trying again.
Ivan: I don't think he could lose twice and fucking go and try for a third.
Ivan: no way i mean i i think that that at
Ivan: that point that that just collapses you can't
Ivan: lose twice and then i mean now i know that he has the republican listen the
Ivan: republican party right now is donald j trump yeah everything else has been eviscerated
Ivan: it's it's pure maga but you know we'll see what we'll see what happens anyway
Ivan: all right let's wrap this puppy up yep we're.
Sam: Done wrap the puppy up but don't eat it.
Ivan: Don't eat it please don't eat the puppy no don't eat the puppy no eating of
Ivan: the puppies right we are we are on this on this program we are against puppy
Ivan: eating and cats or other pets.
Sam: Or other pets yeah don't don't eat the pets.
Ivan: Don't eat the pets okay.
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Ivan: Didn't we have feedback.
Sam: Oh shit anyway
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Ivan: Way to go, Sean.
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Sam: I was going to say, of the three, I am number one. Number two is also long time listener, John.
Sam: Yeah, John, who's actually been on the show before and who I used to work with
Sam: at Merrill Lynch a long time ago. And then Sean.
Sam: And yeah, so three subscribers. Yeah, so now it looks like each of you are.
Ivan: Now at four.
Sam: Oh, congrats. Oh, I just yelled into the mic. And it looks like,
Sam: you know, each of our episodes is getting, you know, I don't know,
Sam: two to five views like on the YouTube.
Sam: so probably not the whole show but hey that's that's.
Ivan: How we started on the podcast.
Sam: Yeah so that that's fine and anyway and
Sam: then of course the uh the the youtube for
Sam: anybody who's curious first of all it has video of yvonne and i not just the
Sam: audio second of all it's completely unedited so like in the edited version of
Sam: this there are a few times where i was coughing or clearing my throat you might
Sam: not get that in the audio version but if you want to hear,
Sam: sam coughing and clearing his throat you could
Sam: watch the youtube version wow it also
Sam: wow i'll also the audio version also
Sam: cuts out like what what do you call them
Sam: i can't use the terms because they'll be cut out the
Sam: the little noises that you make when
Sam: you're talking and you're if fillers fillers
Sam: where you're you you use certain sounds that
Sam: you repeat when you're not quite sure what you say next
Sam: it cuts those out and it cuts
Sam: out long long silences so but so the the audio version is different but anyway
Sam: that's it that's it that's all i got so i mentioned the curmudgeon's core slack
Sam: that you can get invited to so yvonne how about something from the curmudgeon's
Sam: core our slack that we have not talked about today well.
Ivan: I found and i shared this on the slack just the headline and you know the the
Ivan: lead of a new york times opinion piece from december 8 1903 it said man won't fly for a million.
Sam: Years yes to build a flying machine.
Ivan: Would require to combine and continuous efforts of mathematicians and mechanics
Ivan: for 1 million to 10 million years,
Ivan: so that's how you know the thing i'm thinking about some things in terms of
Ivan: progress and where the hell we are with that now i'm wondering.
Sam: Well say so here's the i mean i don't know here's here's the more specific thing
Sam: that that that comment in the new york times came out in response to the latest
Sam: in a long string of failures for people to make an airplane that work three days
Sam: later was the successful Orville and Wilbur Wright flight three days after that editorial.
Ivan: Nice.
Sam: They, they also, the New York times also published a similar editorial about
Sam: how going to the moon was impossible. Uh,
Sam: And not that long after it happened. Obviously, a few decades after the one you did.
Sam: And speaking of space stuff, I do want to mention one other thing in passing.
Sam: The SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission is currently in space.
Sam: This has gone out further than any manned flight since Apollo.
Sam: It's like 1,400 kilometers, I think. So higher than the normal low Earth orbit. it is a tourist it is.
Ivan: A high low earth orbit still yeah.
Sam: Well it's well it's under yeah it's not like geosynchronous like all the way out no no.
Ivan: It's it's relatively.
Sam: Low but it's it's significantly higher like the the it's significant it's.
Ivan: At the high end of what's what what is considered like low earth orbit.
Sam: Anyway it's considerably higher than what the normal orbits than the iss and
Sam: all that kind of stuff or all of those yeah it's considerably higher up and
Sam: it it's It's a commercial flight, so all of the passengers are paid passengers.
Sam: They're all like billionaires who wanted to go up on a ride.
Sam: And it's the first such flight with a spacewalk.
Sam: So one of the billionaires put on a little spacesuit and got to walk outside
Sam: the space capsule for like half an hour or something.
Sam: So there you go. And so we talked about Boeing not being able to get their folks back.
Sam: At the same time, SpaceX is doing this.
Sam: So, you know, I presume you've bought your tickets.
Ivan: Yvonne. Yeah. Yeah. They're ready. I'm waiting for you to come over so we can hitch a ride.
Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that's it. I think we're done. Are we done,
Sam: Yvonne? Are we done? Done. Done. Done. Done. Done. Done.
Ivan: Very much so.
Sam: Did I, did I say done enough?
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: Done. Done. Done. There we go.
Ivan: Yeah. Yeah.
Sam: Okay. Everybody stay safe. Have a good week. We'll talk to you next time. Goodbye.
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