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<v Sam>You are not in your usual location.

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<v Ivan>No kidding. Really?

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<v Sam>Wow.

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<v Ivan>Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Sam>Where are you?

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<v Ivan>I'm in San Juan. That's why I said I had to take a 6.30 a.m. flight to get home.

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<v Sam>You didn't say to get home. I thought you were leaving home to go somewhere.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. I need the flight to get home.

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<v Sam>Gotcha. You're sideways.

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<v Sam>I'm okay with you sideways.

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<v Ivan>Here's the thing. Over here, I'm not sideways. Yet you are.

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<v Sam>I'm sideways.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, why the hell? I'm trying this for the first time on the iPad.

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<v Sam>You're using the app? Okay, you're right side up now.

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<v Ivan>I guess this doesn't rotate.

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<v Ivan>Wait, what the fuck did I do? What is grid beaker slider?

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<v Ivan>I don't know what any of these things are. I don't know.

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<v Sam>Okay. Good, good, good.

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<v Ivan>Well, it's just that I was trying to move the camera because the thing is,

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<v Ivan>oh, here. Okay, that'll, that'll, okay, that fixes that. There you go.

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<v Ivan>That's better. Not, I'm looking at the wrong place.

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<v Sam>You're all good. Shall we, shall we go? Or shall we?

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<v Ivan>Yeah, we need to go because I have to, yeah.

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<v Sam>Sleep! Sleep is good! Okay, here we go.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, August 31st, 2024.

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<v Sam>It's just after zero UTC.

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<v Sam>I'm Sam Minter and Yvonne Bo is here. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>I am here. Hello.

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<v Sam>You sound so enthused.

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<v Ivan>Well, I got sick this week.

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<v Sam>I am finally over my COVID, by the way.

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<v Sam>I tested negative starting Wednesday night. And my symptoms had abated a few

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<v Sam>days before that. So, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Look, I had a very stressful work week, which unfortunately,

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<v Ivan>I'm really frustrated because I managed to accomplish.

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<v Ivan>Well, no, I'm grossly excited to say nothing.

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<v Ivan>I did move things forward, but I wanted to put, I'm in sales.

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<v Ivan>I wanted to move them to completion.

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<v Ivan>Unfortunately, completion did not happen. Did I get advances?

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<v Ivan>Yes, I got some significant advances, but some of that stuff was hindered by

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<v Ivan>the fact that, I don't know, on Tuesday night, I'd gone out to dinner and hung out with some friends.

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<v Ivan>are actually celebrating the fact that one of my co-workers actually closed

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<v Ivan>some of their first deals.

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<v Sam>Okay, good.

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<v Ivan>It's a new employee. They've been here a few months. We had a little bit of wine. We had nothing.

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<v Ivan>Nothing too much. We ate, whatever, but nothing too much.

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<v Ivan>Three in the morning, I feel my intestines are acting like when I get sick or food poisoned.

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<v Sam>They're not happy at all.

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<v Ivan>No. And I'm like, what the hell is going on?

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<v Ivan>I'm like, and so anyway, the next day I have some important meetings I need to try to go to. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And I'm like, look, I got to book this up. It doesn't fucking matter. I got to. I can't.

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<v Ivan>And so I woke up.

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<v Sam>You tried to push through it anyway.

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<v Ivan>No, I did. But listen, I did. Okay. All right. Well, I woke up. No, I got up.

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<v Ivan>I felt like, I don't, I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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<v Ivan>And I wasn't really sure what was going on yet still. Okay.

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<v Ivan>But I felt just completely destroyed. I just felt just what the hell.

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<v Ivan>When I get to the office and then we go to this thing.

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<v Ivan>And then, you know, one thing is that at some point realize that we got there.

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<v Ivan>And well, I had been able to explain to a couple of people that we're gonna go to the meeting and.

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<v Ivan>What the purpose of it was. And we found out that, anyway, the guy that we wanted

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<v Ivan>to talk to didn't want to receive that many people at once.

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<v Ivan>So they said, look, I told him, look, I feel, take me back to the office. I can't.

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<v Ivan>You said, look, I got it. I got it. Listen, we got it. Just,

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<v Ivan>you know, these people aren't even my, they're not on my same team.

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<v Ivan>They're on a different team, but we were having stuff that dealt with the same organization.

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<v Ivan>organization and so this guy was just look i'll

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<v Ivan>help you out okay all right because i know what i gotta do i

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<v Ivan>don't i don't need to sell you i right now it's just a process thing

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<v Ivan>you need to get some approvals through some organization and i'm

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<v Ivan>just like so he drove me back to the office and i got there and listen

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<v Ivan>my i i i left everything

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<v Ivan>in the bathroom at the office and thank god that nobody was there when i

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<v Ivan>got there because i was just oh god yes and i

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<v Ivan>you know i had thought that from there i should

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<v Ivan>have taken an uber and just left my rental

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<v Ivan>car back at the office and i had my briefcase i'll

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<v Ivan>just go straight to the hotel probably would have been the

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<v Ivan>smartest thing because i i drove back and i almost fell

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<v Ivan>asleep twice and hit and and on one of them i well i probably wouldn't have

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<v Ivan>crashed but i i did fall asleep at a traffic light oh wow at two o'clock in

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<v Ivan>the afternoon yeah okay like i think that's a short drive i got there i got to the hotel,

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<v Ivan>I proceeded to get into bed and completely passed out.

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<v Ivan>I then had to wake up because some stuff happened. I needed to talk to the contract

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<v Ivan>people. I needed to talk to people.

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<v Ivan>I basically wound up still working hours and hours, but from bed,

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<v Ivan>just laying down in bed and going to the bathroom.

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<v Ivan>The next day, I felt somewhat better, but I had an in-person meeting,

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<v Ivan>and I told the person, listen, I don't think it's a good idea I come to your office.

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<v Ivan>how about we just zoom this make this brief,

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<v Ivan>and we'll go from there so I got them on I just I zoomed that meeting I did

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<v Ivan>have to look I had to cancel a meeting I had in the afternoon on the previous

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<v Ivan>day I couldn't go to a customer this one I zoomed,

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<v Ivan>So that was like Wednesday, Thursday.

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<v Ivan>I didn't eat for two days. But today, by yesterday evening, after my system

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<v Ivan>had been properly evacuated, I felt a lot better.

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<v Ivan>I found out, I told my co-worker I was celebrating with on Tuesday.

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<v Ivan>I said, well, I called her up and I said, look, this happened.

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<v Ivan>And she said, you know what? I know what happened. It's like, what do you mean?

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<v Ivan>Well, I had a note from school.

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<v Ivan>There's been a 24-hour virus going through all the kids at school.

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<v Ivan>And that they've been getting this. And it's been like, you know,

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<v Ivan>like that, like pretty quick.

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<v Ivan>And on the day that I was at the office, a whole bunch of kids,

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<v Ivan>parents had picked up their kids at school and brought them to the office.

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<v Sam>Your kids who were sick?

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<v Ivan>Well, they probably weren't. well they may have had it but they weren't.

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<v Sam>Right okay it wasn't like they they got called from school come pick up your

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<v Sam>kid they're sick and they took him to the office right but it was more just kids were exposed yeah.

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<v Ivan>And so i wound up being it so i'm still i i did work today a full day but i

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<v Ivan>don't really feel back to 100 you.

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<v Sam>Don't look back to 100 you you look at most 50 percent Oh.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, I'm about 50. And then, you know, it was really, really stressful with work.

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<v Ivan>You know, just getting stuff and working until very, I still wound up working

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<v Ivan>all the time, even though I was basically just in bed with fucking laptop and

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<v Ivan>phone and shit. And, you know.

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<v Ivan>But, yeah, I'm not.

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<v Sam>That sucks. There's no other word for it. Your week sounds awful.

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<v Ivan>It's awful. It's awful. Plus, I didn't get.

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<v Sam>You didn't get done what you wanted to get done. No.

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<v Ivan>No, no. It wasn't because of that.

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<v Sam>Well, it didn't help. It didn't help.

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<v Ivan>Well, it didn't help. Okay. That's for sure. But the biggest reasons for that

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<v Ivan>are just, you know, happened weeks and weeks in advance.

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<v Ivan>Well, we had shit like, for example, unfortunately, this is in Puerto Rico,

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<v Ivan>and one of the things that a lot of stuff got delayed because we had a storm two weeks ago.

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<v Ivan>So they had a storm, not like the storm that happened like Maria seven years

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<v Ivan>ago, but it still had some impacts.

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<v Ivan>And so a lot of people didn't get any work done that week.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So that delayed shit, honestly, probably the storm.

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<v Ivan>Without that storm, I would have gotten, we would have had enough time to get

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<v Ivan>everything done. End of the month.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>But, you know, hey, and I gotta be honest.

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<v Ivan>I went from traveling nonstop. The pandemic made me spend one year where I didn't travel at all.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So now I have slept, I don't know. I have traveled a ridiculous amount again,

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<v Ivan>and I just want to fucking go home.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. I'm sick and tired of this fucking hotel. It's a nice hotel.

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<v Ivan>I'm fucking sick and tired of it.

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<v Sam>Right.

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<v Ivan>So no matter how fucking nice it is.

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<v Sam>I gotcha.

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<v Ivan>I did get, you know, I did, you know, I was so exhausted.

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<v Ivan>One thing, at least, you know, about the hotel, it's in front of the ocean.

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<v Ivan>So I had just opened my slider door and I probably, you know,

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<v Ivan>when I got back from the office, I just crashed for a while.

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<v Ivan>just hearing that sound until some idiots started playing music outside for

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<v Ivan>some reason on on a on a plaza i decided that this is like fun to have some

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<v Ivan>boom boxes start playing music and woke me up okay.

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<v Sam>Well i'm glad you're feeling better even though you're not completely better

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<v Sam>at least you're you know 50 is better.

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<v Ivan>Than where it sounds like you were oh man i mean that was like i mean people

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<v Ivan>are looking at me the other day i'm like are you okay there'll be people I was like, it's like stress.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, what the fuck is going on now? This thing is real sick.

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<v Sam>So anyway, our plan for the day, this is our but first.

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<v Sam>Yvonne was just sharing his illness. Well, hopefully you can't actually catch

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<v Sam>it through listening to the podcast.

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<v Ivan>This is not like Smell-O-Vision?

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<v Sam>No, no. We don't do that.

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<v Ivan>Where was Smell-O-Vision? I can't remember what the hell.

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<v Sam>Well i saw i

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<v Sam>saw recently actually that like you know

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<v Sam>that oh the the the sequel

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<v Sam>to the tornado movie twist or two or whatever just came

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<v Sam>out like a few weeks ago and there are apparently some there's some theaters

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<v Sam>that are like 4d something something blah blah blah oh sure that i think it

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<v Sam>does include the smell of vision but it also includes the thing where it shakes

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<v Sam>the seats and stuff like that in the movie.

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<v Sam>So apparently a lot of people were watching this tornado movie in this theater

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<v Sam>that has the full immersive experience where you feel like you're actually in the tornado.

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<v Sam>And I don't know if they actually impale some audience members with random debris or not.

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<v Ivan>That would be interesting.

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<v Sam>You know, but yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, that would be.

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<v Ivan>That would be interesting.

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<v Sam>A little too realistic?

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<v Ivan>That might be a little bit. You know, I've mentioned that, you know,

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<v Ivan>there is this ride at Disney called Soarin' that is like that in terms of when

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<v Ivan>you, they do the movie and they take you, you know, flying and they,

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<v Ivan>you know, make the effect of feel like you're going,

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<v Ivan>but they also add all the sets and things.

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<v Ivan>Like if you're in the savannah, you know, you smell that.

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<v Ivan>If you're at the Taj Mahal, I think there's, I don't know what flowers,

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<v Ivan>roses, whatever there are, are you getting those so they do add that to the

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<v Ivan>to the experience so that that is so they do that yeah i guess it's you know somebody decided hey.

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<v Sam>Let's i think once or twice i went to things

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<v Sam>that had that kind of stuff and you know it was a novelty like but but it was

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<v Sam>it was not when when i went it wasn't like a regular movie it was a movie that

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<v Sam>was designed to do these things so it I mean, I think it was 3D, too.

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<v Sam>So, of course, they were always like shoving stuff at your face.

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<v Sam>And then like at certain points in the thing, it would shake or at certain points

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<v Sam>they'd spray some smell in your general direction.

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<v Sam>And I'm like, OK, this was an interesting experience.

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<v Sam>I wouldn't want like normal movies to be like this. You know, I think that.

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<v Ivan>You know, the thing is that, you know, the thing with those kinds of movies,

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<v Ivan>right, is that they're focusing more on the effects rather on the movie.

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<v Ivan>And so it's just, it's just not a good movie. It's just something to show off

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<v Ivan>that they can do the effect.

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<v Ivan>You know, whereas if you have a good movie and you intersperse like really good,

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<v Ivan>like surround sound that feels realistic and certain movements and certain things

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<v Ivan>that you do it like that, it's directly related to the plot.

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<v Ivan>And that makes more sense. Otherwise it's just, yeah.

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<v Sam>I mean, I think even there, I mean, yes, you can do it.

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<v Sam>So it's really good and it's integral to the experience. But like most movies,

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<v Sam>I don't want to smell what's going on. I just don't want to.

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<v Sam>Like, I don't care how integral it is to the story. I don't want to smell it. I'm sorry.

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<v Sam>And like, if I'm sitting on my couch, relaxing, watching a movie,

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<v Sam>I don't want my couch. It smells like shit?

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<v Sam>Well, yeah, I don't want necessarily, oh, they're going through a cow pasture.

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<v Sam>Lovely. I can smell it. You know, and I don't want my couch to shake. I don't know.

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<v Ivan>The smells are not, you know, the thing. But look,

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<v Ivan>but there is a big, big, big difference in, you know, when you go to an IMAX

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<v Ivan>movie with the sound, you know, that is realistic versus, you know,

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<v Ivan>you're watching an IMAX.

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<v Sam>Well, yes, compared to watching on your phone and also like even like a regular

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<v Sam>television or television versus sound bar versus a real like seven to surround system, whatever.

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<v Sam>Like there are differences at all of those levels.

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<v Sam>And but, you know, most and like like I have the surround sound.

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<v Sam>I have I have the surround sound system in my living room when I watch things.

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<v Sam>But, you know, and occasionally it matters. like if you're watching a movie

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<v Sam>that takes advantage of it well i think the problem is.

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<v Ivan>When you have it on all the time you stop noticing that it's happening and so

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<v Ivan>you know it's one of those things that i just i really notice it when i you

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<v Ivan>know for example i'm traveling and i'm watching something because i'm renting

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<v Ivan>freaking thing with a little speaker it's not exactly really that much you know it's it's not really.

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<v Sam>You notice the difference more after that yeah of course yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah i.

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<v Sam>Mean and like most of the time what's on my projector system in my is news and

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<v Sam>like you know i it's really i.

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<v Ivan>Think we really notice it it's like a movie like a really.

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<v Sam>I know i was just gonna say surround sound does not add a lot to wolf blitzer

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<v Sam>no you know probably probably.

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<v Ivan>The opposite to be honest with you.

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<v Sam>Yeah i i mean but and even with movies mr

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<v Sam>wolf on the kind yes mr wolf mr wolf it

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<v Sam>it it depends on the kind of movie too like

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<v Sam>some movies you know like an action movie is

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<v Sam>going to take a lot more advantage of the surround sound and

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<v Sam>stuff like that than a rom-com you know sure you know so i mean you may still

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<v Sam>get some of that like some ambient noises from behind you and some stuff like

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<v Sam>that but it makes more of a difference in things that where there's lots of

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<v Sam>movement and action and things going on you know so and fine anyway.

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<v Ivan>We've dragged this out.

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<v Sam>Anyway okay.

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<v Ivan>All right what are you gonna.

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<v Sam>Okay what are Should I skip my movie? We can get right onto the meat of things.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. What's your movie this week?

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<v Sam>Ghostbusters.

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<v Ivan>The first one?

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<v Sam>The first one. Okay, you've watched it. Oh, yeah, I have seen Ghostbusters many times before.

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<v Sam>This comes from when the newest Ghostbusters was in the theater.

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<v Sam>My wife was like, hey, let's go see it.

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<v Sam>And then we were like, well, wait, we haven't seen the one immediately before it.

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<v Sam>And it's sort of a direct sequel to the one immediately before it.

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<v Sam>So I'm like, you know, let's, let's watch all of the Ghostbusters and then we'll go see the new one.

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<v Sam>Like, so let's, let's catch up on the series.

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<v Sam>But of course, catching up on the series took us months.

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<v Sam>And so it's long gone from the theaters now. We could, it's,

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<v Sam>it's now available on streaming, the newest one.

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<v Sam>we have caught up like we've actually watched all

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<v Sam>the ones prior to the newest ones we we skipped

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<v Sam>for now the various ghostbusters tv series

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<v Sam>we have skipped those there were there were like three different ghostbusters

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<v Sam>cartoons or something but we we have skipped those but we have watched all of

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<v Sam>the ghostbusters movies and but now i'm only here to talk about the first one

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<v Sam>and i'll I'll get to the other ones later.

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<v Ivan>Okay, let's talk about the first.

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<v Sam>So, I mean, it's a classic.

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<v Ivan>How does it hold up 40 years later?

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<v Sam>Pretty good, actually. Yeah? Like, there are a few parts that fall flat,

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<v Sam>but I'd say mostly it holds up.

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<v Ivan>That's good.

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<v Sam>And, I mean, you know.

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<v Ivan>I am remembering some of the lines from it. I'm just smiling from like thinking

00:19:05.370 --> 00:19:10.850
<v Ivan>some of the stuff because I still remember that one of the first parts is – what's his name?

00:19:10.950 --> 00:19:16.270
<v Ivan>Oh, God, Will Murray doing these experiments on this – with these two people.

00:19:16.430 --> 00:19:20.610
<v Ivan>I guess he's like doing electrical torture or something, the questions.

00:19:20.930 --> 00:19:24.270
<v Ivan>And the reality is he's just after – you know, he wanted just this girl.

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<v Ivan>He was just torturing the other poor guy.

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<v Sam>Yeah, he was zapping the guy and telling the guy that he got everything wrong,

00:19:32.290 --> 00:19:36.250
<v Sam>where the woman that was there got everything right.

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<v Sam>And there was, you are psychic.

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<v Sam>This is amazing. Like, blah, blah, blah. Yes, yes.

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<v Sam>I'm going to give it a thumbs up. I mean, Ghostbusters is Ghostbusters.

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<v Sam>I mean, who hasn't, like, seen this?

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<v Sam>Like, I don't know. It's, you know, like I said, some parts hold up a little bit better than others.

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<v Sam>but for the most part, it's pretty consistently still funny and it's,

00:20:03.270 --> 00:20:09.910
<v Sam>it's got some classic moments and, you know, and spoilers, you got the marshmallow guy near the end and.

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<v Ivan>You know, yes.

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<v Sam>Ray, if someone asks you, if you're a God, you say yes.

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<v Sam>You know, stuff like that. It's a, I mean, it's got good lines.

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<v Sam>It's, it's, you know, there's, there's a reason it's a beloved franchise.

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<v Ivan>Blah blah blah I'm trying to think of something that just can't make me happy

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<v Ivan>it was the little marshmallow guy.

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<v Sam>Exactly and you're right I mean it's exactly 40 years it came out in 1984 I'm not.

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<v Ivan>Sure if it was 40 years yeah.

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<v Sam>40 years in June so we're two months past 40 years.

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<v Ivan>I'm wondering when that movie came out 40 years before It was the number one movie in 1944.

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<v Ivan>I'm going to check. 1944.

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<v Ivan>See, four years before that, the number one movie was called me going my way.

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<v Sam>No idea.

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<v Ivan>I mean, me neither. The second one I've heard, but I don't think I've watched it. Meet me in St. Louis.

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<v Sam>I've heard of that, but I don't think.

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<v Ivan>I've never watched top grossing movies going my way.

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<v Ivan>I don't know what the hell it's about. Well, let's see. What is it about?

00:21:29.750 --> 00:21:33.430
<v Ivan>It's, it doesn't really say here. What's wrong?

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<v Ivan>Okay. God, I'm slow. My Way, I said, right? 1944?

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, Going My Way, 1944. It's a musical.

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<v Sam>Okay. Wow.

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<v Ivan>With Bing Cronby.

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<v Ivan>It's a 1944 American musical, comedy, trauma film directed by Leo McCary and

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<v Ivan>starring Bing Crosby and Mary Fitzgerald, written by Frank Butler,

00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:03.240
<v Ivan>based on a story by McCary.

00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.940
<v Ivan>The film is about the new young priest taking over a parish from an established old veteran.

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<v Ivan>Crosby sings five songs, with others performed on screen by Metropolitan Opera

00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:14.680
<v Ivan>star Miss Soprano, Rye Stevens.

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<v Sam>Deep um okay i i've added both that one and meet me in st louis which is also

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<v Sam>a musical to my my grand list of movies i i i can.

00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:30.020
<v Ivan>See how this kind of year this kind of movie light and frothy 1944 with the

00:22:30.020 --> 00:22:33.300
<v Ivan>war going on seemed like something that people want to watch.

00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:39.460
<v Sam>Yeah a nice distraction from everything else that was going on yeah blah blah blah yeah.

00:22:39.460 --> 00:22:41.020
<v Ivan>That makes Makes sense. Makes sense.

00:22:42.060 --> 00:22:43.280
<v Sam>Anyway, Ghostbusters is also

00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:46.840
<v Sam>kind of light and frothy. It's not a serious movie at all. It's a comedy.

00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:53.960
<v Sam>You know, there are really goofy, silly things happening throughout the movie.

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<v Sam>It's just fun. It's just a fun romp. You know, it has a nice,

00:22:59.020 --> 00:23:03.260
<v Sam>you know, exciting ending that, you know, spoilers again.

00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:06.900
<v Sam>It turns out well. Everyone's happy. They're triumphant. Whatever.

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<v Sam>Has a good song. You know. Has a good song.

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<v Sam>you know, who you're going to call catchphrase that has lasted 40 fucking years.

00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:18.800
<v Ivan>I mean, that's the thing, I guess, you know, think about, okay,

00:23:18.900 --> 00:23:24.260
<v Ivan>nobody remembers that fucking movie from, from, from 1944, but to be fair.

00:23:24.460 --> 00:23:29.060
<v Sam>To be fair, it's been 80 years now. Maybe they did remember it 40 years ago.

00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:34.300
<v Sam>Like if, if you were a teenager, when that movie came out and people made references

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<v Sam>to it, you might know them right off the top of your head.

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<v Ivan>But I don't think, I will say, to be fair, that those war years were not peak for movie making.

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<v Sam>Hmm.

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<v Ivan>Okay? There are a few classics from the 40s. There are a few,

00:23:51.310 --> 00:23:56.010
<v Ivan>but it was, you know, because of the war, I mean, they weren't making as many,

00:23:56.010 --> 00:23:58.990
<v Ivan>like, say, you know, big movie productions.

00:23:59.190 --> 00:24:02.870
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, hell, there were even actors and people who were going to war themselves.

00:24:03.870 --> 00:24:07.950
<v Ivan>Right. So it wasn't exactly, like, you know, the easiest time for that.

00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:12.490
<v Ivan>that so i i guess that that to be fair is not not not not good judging like

00:24:12.490 --> 00:24:17.850
<v Ivan>that that time period on by the way that movie by the way go my way 83 on already

00:24:17.850 --> 00:24:26.030
<v Ivan>rotten tomatoes 90 on metacritic okay so it does have some good you know good reviews so okay.

00:24:26.030 --> 00:24:32.050
<v Sam>And and yeah like to this day i mean if you say who who you're gonna.

00:24:32.050 --> 00:24:37.130
<v Ivan>Call you're gonna call i mean you know people you know the right way to respond to that phrase.

00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.110
<v Sam>Yeah, exactly.

00:24:38.450 --> 00:24:43.950
<v Ivan>40 years later, yes. So that was a very iconic movie indeed of the 1980s. Absolutely.

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<v Sam>Now, I'm not sure if you picked a random 18-year-old, would they get the references instantly? They might.

00:24:52.870 --> 00:24:54.590
<v Ivan>Because we got the Ghostbusters.

00:24:55.210 --> 00:25:00.370
<v Sam>Yeah, they got the new one. And one of the differences between now and when

00:25:00.370 --> 00:25:04.930
<v Sam>we were kids is the absolutely easy access to the Backit catalog.

00:25:05.790 --> 00:25:08.170
<v Sam>Like, you know, what are you talking about?

00:25:08.350 --> 00:25:12.030
<v Ivan>I, I, will you, will you, I mean, didn't you stream your movies back in 1984?

00:25:13.690 --> 00:25:20.230
<v Sam>I mean, it was, I'm sure it was possible to go get going my way at the blockbuster

00:25:20.230 --> 00:25:23.490
<v Sam>and watch it, but it took a little bit.

00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:26.750
<v Ivan>Not even actually, I've got to say probably not.

00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:27.970
<v Sam>I don't know.

00:25:28.370 --> 00:25:32.150
<v Ivan>No, because the blockbusters used to have a very limited selection.

00:25:33.320 --> 00:25:37.260
<v Ivan>you know, of what the hell was current, what the hell was renting frequently.

00:25:37.620 --> 00:25:41.220
<v Ivan>Yes, they did have some of those old classics, but you know,

00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.120
<v Ivan>it wasn't like they had every movie available. Okay.

00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:44.700
<v Sam>Well, no.

00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:45.040
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Sam>Cause you had to maintain physical inventory and you have limited space.

00:25:49.300 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Sam>So you have to pick and choose the things that people are likely to get. And so exactly.

00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Sam>So you'd have a classic section, but there'd only be.

00:25:56.320 --> 00:26:00.500
<v Ivan>You know, like the really big things like Casa Blanc, stuff like that,

00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Ivan>out whatever that everybody remembered okay you know.

00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.980
<v Sam>Now there were there there were back in the day there were some specialty video

00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:11.460
<v Sam>stores that specialized in certain eras or certain genres yeah but you have

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.340
<v Sam>to go find those you had to go find them you had to do that yeah well it's not like.

00:26:15.340 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Ivan>You know i still remember the scene in the movie big where he was the ceo of

00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.820
<v Ivan>the you know he's a big shot at the toy company and i don't think we had the

00:26:22.820 --> 00:26:27.140
<v Ivan>facility where tom hanks goes and says hey could you go get me a copy of the

00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:30.920
<v Ivan>super bowl and just edit out all the commercials show so i can watch it when

00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.600
<v Ivan>i want please so yeah we we didn't have those kind of power.

00:26:34.120 --> 00:26:36.900
<v Sam>Yeah and i i definitely can't get big to

00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:40.600
<v Sam>my list too yeah so yeah so

00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Sam>anyway thumbs up to ghost busters if you haven't seen

00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:46.100
<v Sam>it i'm not even going to pretend anybody listening has not

00:26:46.100 --> 00:26:49.160
<v Sam>seen ghost busters but if you haven't seen it recently it's

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:54.340
<v Sam>worth a re-watch and you know like you know no spoilers for the other ones i'll

00:26:54.340 --> 00:27:01.140
<v Sam>do ghostbusters 2 next week but like but you know so far we've caught up with

00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:06.460
<v Sam>all of the Ghostbusters other than the brand new one that was out in the theaters this year. And...

00:27:07.300 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Sam>You know, it's worth watching the whole damn series. You know, it's fun.

00:27:12.580 --> 00:27:17.380
<v Ivan>I'm going to say, I'm pretty sure, I guess I watched probably Ghostbusters and

00:27:17.380 --> 00:27:19.060
<v Ivan>Ghostbusters 2. That's right.

00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:26.620
<v Sam>Okay. We'll talk about the rest in due course as I get to them in order.

00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:28.860
<v Sam>And we're starting with Ghostbusters 2 next week.

00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:35.560
<v Ivan>Well, let me see. Well, hold on. I'm looking. So it's Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 2.

00:27:36.060 --> 00:27:36.500
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:27:36.500 --> 00:27:42.520
<v Ivan>So then there was a 2016 reboot, which was, what the heck was that called?

00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:46.220
<v Sam>Was it called Ghostbusters? It was just called Ghostbusters.

00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:50.500
<v Sam>They retroactively added some name to it, but it was just called Ghostbusters.

00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:54.700
<v Sam>It was the one with female Ghostbusters that was in a different continuity.

00:27:55.180 --> 00:28:00.840
<v Sam>So they tried to reboot the series from scratch rather than making a sequel.

00:28:01.280 --> 00:28:05.700
<v Sam>And it kind of fell flat. And it's like, when I get to that movie in order,

00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:06.780
<v Sam>we'll talk about this more.

00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:09.940
<v Sam>But there was a controversy. Did people hate it because it was actually bad?

00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:14.900
<v Sam>Or because there was a lot of hate to it just because they cast women?

00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:19.560
<v Sam>And so was it bad because it was bad? Or was it bad because people just had

00:28:19.560 --> 00:28:22.360
<v Sam>a negative reaction to casting women in these films?

00:28:22.360 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Ivan>Then we got Ghostbusters Afterlife and then Ghostbusters Frozen Empire was the new one.

00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.500
<v Sam>Yeah. and i i've seen i've seen i've

00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Sam>seen all of them except frozen except frozen empire

00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.780
<v Sam>i haven't seen frozen empire yet and they're also a whole bunch of uh you know

00:28:38.780 --> 00:28:45.460
<v Sam>tv shows you know animated tv shows and blah blah blah yeah so there's a bunch

00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:50.900
<v Sam>of stuff i haven't watched the tv shows i haven't watched the tv shows but maybe someday i.

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:55.500
<v Ivan>I haven't watched tv shows nor the sequels nor anything.

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Sam>Anything.

00:28:57.260 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Ivan>But I will say that I think you're motivating me to watch Ghostbusters with my son.

00:29:03.260 --> 00:29:08.620
<v Sam>Well, and that's the thing. Now, there are a few scenes that get slightly racy,

00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:11.080
<v Sam>like PG-13 racy, not R-racy.

00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:16.740
<v Ivan>That's fine. You think knowing me, you think, I mean, I haven't watched that

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:18.540
<v Ivan>stuff, maybe a little bit slightly racy.

00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:21.600
<v Ivan>I mean, come on. The kid, like right now, all the complaints I was listening

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:24.660
<v Ivan>to today is that, you know, he's saying shit a lot.

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:25.980
<v Sam>Uh-huh.

00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Ivan>I'm just like, well, what the fuck you expect?

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Sam>Now, here's the question. Do you have him saying shit in English, Spanish, or both?

00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Ivan>No, no, no. In English. The thing is that we've been focusing on his English

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Ivan>because he is right now, I've seen that he's picking up more words in Spanish,

00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Ivan>okay? But we've been focusing on his English.

00:29:48.560 --> 00:29:54.040
<v Ivan>And I will say that I probably, I have focused my cursing lately more in English.

00:29:55.840 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Sam>Yeah, but anyway, I watch all these movies with Alex, and we have never shied away from,

00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:09.150
<v Sam>you know, the R rated stuff, you know, it's just like, you know,

00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:11.930
<v Sam>if, if he doesn't like it, he will leave.

00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:14.910
<v Sam>Whoa. Oh, oh, alarm, alarm.

00:30:15.670 --> 00:30:22.970
<v Ivan>Sorry. You know, I have been woken up by a fire alarm, fire alarm in this,

00:30:22.970 --> 00:30:27.270
<v Ivan>in this hotel before and I'd been stuck outside for a while. Understood.

00:30:27.690 --> 00:30:30.350
<v Sam>Anyway, like we, we, we don't shy away from that.

00:30:30.410 --> 00:30:34.130
<v Sam>And my, my whole philosophy for that is like, he can self-censor.

00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:40.870
<v Sam>if he's upset by what he sees he can leave or he can tell me what's going on you know yeah what i.

00:30:40.870 --> 00:30:43.070
<v Ivan>Mean it's not like you know what are you gonna do.

00:30:43.070 --> 00:30:46.210
<v Sam>Yeah yeah i mean like well he.

00:30:46.210 --> 00:30:47.250
<v Ivan>Doesn't like me swearing.

00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:52.410
<v Sam>Oh no he he does not like the swearing but he will watch movies with swearing

00:30:52.410 --> 00:30:55.950
<v Sam>with me like oh so it's just a swear.

00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:57.990
<v Ivan>So the problem with the swearing is more is.

00:30:57.990 --> 00:31:04.030
<v Sam>You is you yeah well okay no he he doesn't like the swear he will cringe when

00:31:04.030 --> 00:31:07.870
<v Sam>there's swearing in a movie we are watching but he will not ask me to stop the

00:31:07.870 --> 00:31:12.970
<v Sam>movie okay although there are a few movies that have tested that because of

00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:16.250
<v Sam>how much swearing was in them but you know but.

00:31:16.250 --> 00:31:20.990
<v Ivan>The opposite my son is apparently picking up chip off the old block.

00:31:20.990 --> 00:31:28.010
<v Sam>There you go okay let's let's take a break And then we will do our two segments of more newsy things.

00:31:28.190 --> 00:31:32.150
<v Sam>I never actually said the agenda, but it's the usual.

00:31:32.270 --> 00:31:36.470
<v Sam>Two segments of more newsy stuff. The first one will be stuff picked by Yvonne.

00:31:36.530 --> 00:31:38.750
<v Sam>The second one will be stuff picked by me.

00:31:39.510 --> 00:31:43.670
<v Sam>Assuming Yvonne makes it that far. If Yvonne collapses, we'll just end the show.

00:31:43.870 --> 00:31:46.130
<v Sam>That's fine. We can have a short show. It's good.

00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:53.270
<v Sam>But this first break is another Apple Dream. This is Apple Dream 35.

00:31:54.490 --> 00:31:57.330
<v Sam>It's a short one, one minute or so. Here we go.

00:32:39.650 --> 00:32:45.790
<v Ivan>That's good advice. There was more that happened before.

00:32:54.710 --> 00:32:55.190
<v Sam>Was anymore.

00:32:57.290 --> 00:33:00.410
<v Sam>Bye. And that's it.

00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:07.930
<v Sam>So, you know, don't let your toddlers play around freely in the balcony in your high-rise.

00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:12.730
<v Ivan>The always necessary high, you know, child safety adult dream.

00:33:13.450 --> 00:33:17.330
<v Sam>Yeah. And you know, like I'm thinking it's been a long time.

00:33:17.370 --> 00:33:20.730
<v Sam>Like I've got a backlog of these on my phone that I've never published to TikTok.

00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:24.870
<v Sam>And at some point I need to catch up on them. And I haven't recorded a new one.

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:30.110
<v Sam>Like I, I'm so far behind on publishing the ones I already recorded on my phone

00:33:30.110 --> 00:33:34.490
<v Sam>that I have, I got out of the habit of like, okay, if I wake up in the middle

00:33:34.490 --> 00:33:38.910
<v Sam>of the night and I still remember a dream, quick record it. I haven't done that in many months.

00:33:39.350 --> 00:33:44.670
<v Sam>like if if i wake up and i had a really good one i'll do it but if i if i wake

00:33:44.670 --> 00:33:48.230
<v Sam>up and like okay there was a dream but it was like mediocre and not all that

00:33:48.230 --> 00:33:53.430
<v Sam>interesting i'll be like oh screw it yeah i'm not gonna do it right now i don't

00:33:53.430 --> 00:33:58.250
<v Sam>feel like that's fair if i caught up maybe but like i,

00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:04.910
<v Sam>haven't done that in a while anyway yvonne of the newsy topics what do you have in mind there's.

00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:07.710
<v Ivan>A a number of political ones. What are we talking about?

00:34:07.950 --> 00:34:14.970
<v Ivan>We got, I see one, two, three, four political ones.

00:34:15.070 --> 00:34:17.730
<v Ivan>So why don't we talk about those? Okay.

00:34:18.310 --> 00:34:20.430
<v Sam>Where do you want to start on politics?

00:34:21.310 --> 00:34:24.750
<v Ivan>Where do we want to start on politics? Why don't we start on politics on the

00:34:24.750 --> 00:34:26.190
<v Ivan>polls, Sam? Are you giving an update?

00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:29.750
<v Sam>Okay. Let me bring that up real quick.

00:34:30.850 --> 00:34:33.890
<v Ivan>I said Sam a ton of polls, so give him a lot of work.

00:34:34.640 --> 00:34:39.980
<v Sam>Well, you know, actually in this case, like about half an hour to an hour after

00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:44.060
<v Sam>you sent them to me, like the Bloomberg article was behind the paywall,

00:34:44.180 --> 00:34:50.040
<v Sam>but the link to the detailed polls was in the part you could see before they

00:34:50.040 --> 00:34:52.420
<v Sam>graded out and said you had to register or whatever.

00:34:52.620 --> 00:34:58.460
<v Sam>Like sometimes, sometimes the link to the full details is like below that part.

00:34:58.460 --> 00:35:05.940
<v Sam>Now, interestingly enough, the actual like PDF with the full results is not behind the paywall.

00:35:06.080 --> 00:35:08.560
<v Sam>So if you have the link, you can get to that.

00:35:09.060 --> 00:35:14.660
<v Sam>But the link to it is in the article that they publish. And depending on the

00:35:14.660 --> 00:35:16.020
<v Sam>article, like if they mention.

00:35:16.180 --> 00:35:17.160
<v Ivan>If they put that link.

00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Sam>Because the way Bloomberg works, the way Bloomberg works, which is where this

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.560
<v Sam>set of polls that you've on, they let you see like the first two or three paragraphs. photographs.

00:35:26.020 --> 00:35:29.660
<v Sam>And then after that, they're like, to see any more, you have to pay.

00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.640
<v Sam>And sometimes they put the link in the top part and sometimes they put it in

00:35:33.640 --> 00:35:36.000
<v Sam>the bottom part. This time they put it in the top part.

00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:39.580
<v Sam>So I was actually able to link to and get to the whole thing,

00:35:39.660 --> 00:35:44.820
<v Sam>but I got a, I had a head start on it because Yvonne sent it to me.

00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:50.160
<v Sam>But no, here's where we are right now. Bottom line, we are still in a neck and

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.580
<v Sam>neck race, essentially.

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:54.900
<v Sam>With Harris having a slight advantage at this point.

00:35:55.140 --> 00:35:59.720
<v Sam>If you go to electiongraphs.com, you'll see my, my, first of all,

00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Sam>the straight up, like trust all the polls.

00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.740
<v Sam>If either candidate has even the very slightest advantage, assume they're going to win.

00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:12.940
<v Sam>And if you do that, Harris wins by 46 electoral votes right now.

00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:19.060
<v Sam>Um, and the tipping point is Pennsylvania with Harris ahead by 0.9%.

00:36:19.060 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Sam>So that's still a fairly narrow margin of error there, but she is ahead.

00:36:25.600 --> 00:36:29.560
<v Sam>And the reason I say that is because if like the last couple of cycles,

00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.700
<v Sam>the polls have underestimated the Republicans.

00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Sam>If they underestimated the Republicans by the same amount that they have the

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Sam>last couple of cycles, you end up Trump with a very narrow victory.

00:36:39.340 --> 00:36:42.660
<v Sam>Like even though the polls show Harris slightly ahead.

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Sam>Now, if this time the polls are underestimating the Democrat, it goes the other way.

00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:52.420
<v Sam>And maybe Maybe this is a Harris landslide. You know, the problem is like,

00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:56.980
<v Sam>there are so many states that are really close right now.

00:36:57.200 --> 00:37:01.140
<v Sam>So let, let me read you some of the close states right now.

00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.660
<v Sam>Here, here are all the states that where the current margin is less than two and a half percent.

00:37:08.980 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:13.420
<v Sam>Virginia Harris's ahead by 2.4%.

00:37:14.220 --> 00:37:20.240
<v Sam>Michigan, Harris is ahead by 2.1%. Nebraska's second congressional district,

00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:24.620
<v Sam>I currently have the average at Harris up by 1.8, but there have been very few

00:37:24.620 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Sam>polls right there, so grain of salt there.

00:37:27.380 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Sam>Pennsylvania, Harris up by 0.9. Nevada, Harris up by 0.5.

00:37:33.160 --> 00:37:37.120
<v Sam>Georgia actually has Harris ahead right now, but only by 0.4.

00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:42.740
<v Sam>Iowa's in this list has Trump up by 0.6, but there have been zero,

00:37:42.980 --> 00:37:48.020
<v Sam>zero Trump versus Harris polls in Iowa so far.

00:37:48.120 --> 00:37:52.860
<v Sam>So that's based only on sort of Iowa's average behavior over the last five elections.

00:37:53.060 --> 00:37:59.020
<v Sam>And it has been moving more red. So I don't actually expect Iowa to be anywhere near that close.

00:37:59.180 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Sam>It's probably a strong Trump state at this point, but there just haven't been

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Sam>any polls to prove that yet.

00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:11.160
<v Sam>Arizona, Trump up by 0.6%. North Carolina, Trump up by 1.2%.

00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:15.980
<v Sam>Maine's second congressional district, Trump up by only 1.4%.

00:38:15.980 --> 00:38:24.560
<v Sam>Every single thing I just listed is incredibly close and could easily go either

00:38:24.560 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Sam>way, even if you assume the polls are generally right.

00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:32.380
<v Sam>Now, if the polls have some sort of systematic error to them, that adds to things.

00:38:32.540 --> 00:38:37.580
<v Sam>But like, those are just like right on the edge, all of those states,

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:39.160
<v Sam>that's like a huge number.

00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Sam>And so if you look at, you know, just, and I did two and a half percent, but like my,

00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:52.680
<v Sam>my best case and worst case in the trust, the polls says any state under 5%

00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:55.020
<v Sam>could go either way fairly easily.

00:38:55.020 --> 00:39:03.200
<v Sam>The range you get from that is from Harris by 174 to Trump by 114.

00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:05.420
<v Sam>Like it's a massive range.

00:39:05.740 --> 00:39:06.540
<v Ivan>It's ridiculous.

00:39:07.560 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Sam>You know, because you got a huge number of states with lots and lots of electoral votes, very close.

00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:19.700
<v Sam>And the polls have been moving. As a general statement about trends,

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Sam>we had massive movement towards Harris after Biden dropped out for the first

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.180
<v Sam>few weeks to the beginning of August.

00:39:31.180 --> 00:39:36.460
<v Sam>Then we add a little bit back to Trump and then back to Harris again.

00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Sam>And then in the last, I don't know, couple weeks, it moved back towards Trump

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Sam>again and then has started to move back towards Harris again since the convention.

00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:54.540
<v Sam>But we're still, it's still close.

00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Sam>It's still, there's a lot of back and forth as we get new polls in or out.

00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Ivan>I think a whole bunch of national polls also that are showing, like.

00:40:05.640 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Sam>The national polls have, generally speaking, had a slow trend towards Harris,

00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:15.820
<v Sam>but we're back down a little bit from the peak.

00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:21.780
<v Ivan>But it's been like a tiny amount. They got to like a three, you know, like on Thursday.

00:40:21.780 --> 00:40:25.140
<v Sam>The high was 3.9% and it's back down to 3.4.

00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:28.500
<v Ivan>Exactly. And it's been around that range, basically.

00:40:28.740 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Sam>Yeah. And so.

00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:36.780
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's not, it's not like, it's not, you know, no, no, no mailing it in. This is, this is all.

00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:43.340
<v Sam>No, not at all. Like right now, my odds, I have my two different models that

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:47.080
<v Sam>account for the amount of time left for the election, which as we are recording

00:40:47.080 --> 00:40:51.860
<v Sam>is refresh 66.9 days left.

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Sam>But between like, I'm going to ignore the, if the election was to the light today stuff, stuff.

00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:03.300
<v Sam>But my model, including the time left, my two models, the range is from Harris

00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:07.640
<v Sam>having a 53.1% chance to Harris having a 57.2% chance.

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.240
<v Sam>So she is favored a little bit, but that's not like, we're not talking 95%.

00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:41:16.180 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Sam>This is not that far away from a coin toss at this point.

00:41:21.980 --> 00:41:26.860
<v Sam>And that's where we are now. I mean, I think, you know, so it, it frankly,

00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:32.700
<v Sam>like we ha we haven't yet had a big convention bounce show up,

00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:38.020
<v Sam>but we still don't have a lot of post-convention polls.

00:41:38.140 --> 00:41:41.240
<v Sam>We have a few, there were a whole bunch, you know, Yvonne mentioned,

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:47.300
<v Sam>he made me a bunch of work, but over the last 48 to 72 hours,

00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:51.580
<v Sam>there have been so many swing Wing State polls, there have been quite a lot.

00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Sam>And so it looks like if we got a convention balance, at least so far, it looks pretty small.

00:41:59.720 --> 00:42:02.100
<v Ivan>Well, I think one thing is that we all don't.

00:42:02.780 --> 00:42:06.500
<v Sam>The thing is that things had bounced so far towards Harris already,

00:42:06.820 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Sam>it's hard to squeeze more juice out of that.

00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:11.120
<v Ivan>That's what I was thinking.

00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Sam>But here's the thing, though, and this gets me back.

00:42:14.460 --> 00:42:20.500
<v Sam>I have a couple charts on electiongraphs.com that compare to 2016 and 2020.

00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:26.780
<v Sam>Right now, it looks like, unless something major changes in the next couple days,

00:42:27.220 --> 00:42:33.660
<v Sam>for the very first time ever, Harris will be doing better than Clinton was doing

00:42:33.660 --> 00:42:35.580
<v Sam>at the same time before the election.

00:42:36.060 --> 00:42:37.240
<v Ivan>Wow. Okay.

00:42:37.240 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Sam>For the very, like, like, again, that we're not quite there yet.

00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.620
<v Sam>We're like a day or two away from like a place in the calendar where Clinton

00:42:47.620 --> 00:42:50.520
<v Sam>suddenly did much worse for a few days.

00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:56.720
<v Sam>That's where we're talking, but we're still nowhere near where Biden was in 2020.

00:42:57.120 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Sam>Like we're still several percent behind, like at the moment,

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.520
<v Sam>like I'll give you like the stats as of right now, Now, 67 days before the election,

00:43:06.680 --> 00:43:10.860
<v Sam>right now we have the tipping point, which is the margin in the state that would

00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Sam>put the winner over the edge.

00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:17.200
<v Sam>We have Harris up by 0.9% in the tipping point state, which right now is Pennsylvania.

00:43:17.720 --> 00:43:27.920
<v Sam>At this exact same time, 67 days before the election, Clinton was up by 3.4% and Biden was up by 4.6%.

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Sam>So we're still a long way behind the pace of either of those two times.

00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:39.240
<v Sam>And of course, Biden just barely pulled it out and Clinton lost. So...

00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:46.700
<v Sam>So, as you said, we've got a long way to go. Nobody should be complacent.

00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Sam>There are a lot of things that indicate how – we've talked about how Trump seems

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.580
<v Sam>to be struggling right now in terms of how to respond to Harris and how he's

00:43:59.580 --> 00:44:03.540
<v Sam>getting less rational and how he's doing things that should hurt him.

00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Ivan>But it's not impacting his voters. I mean, they're just whatever.

00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:14.020
<v Sam>I mean, he's got the core group that is not going to change no matter what.

00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.940
<v Sam>And, you know, a lot of the stuff that we've seen is actually like,

00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Sam>I mentioned this last time we were talking polls on the show,

00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.160
<v Sam>but like, for the most part,

00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.980
<v Sam>the changes here have been on the Democratic side, where the Democrats are doing stronger.

00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:35.040
<v Sam>Everything I talked about on election graphs is all centered around margins.

00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Sam>But if you separate it out to look at how the Democrat is doing versus how the

00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:46.680
<v Sam>Republican is doing, basically what's going on here is the Democrat has been improving,

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.300
<v Sam>but Trump has been staying flat.

00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:56.540
<v Sam>The number of people supporting Trump is not moving.

00:44:56.540 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Sam>Yeah, I mean, a little bit, but like, if you look on the national polls,

00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:04.680
<v Sam>like 538 national poll graph,

00:45:04.900 --> 00:45:08.580
<v Sam>and this is especially clear, like if you if you look on mobile,

00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:13.240
<v Sam>or you, you know, so that you have a narrower thing, it's even more obvious

00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Sam>than if you look on desktop. top.

00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:20.220
<v Sam>But, you know, I'm looking since this only has since Biden dropped out because

00:45:20.220 --> 00:45:21.420
<v Sam>they have Biden versus Harris.

00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:25.460
<v Sam>But when on, what was it?

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.860
<v Sam>July 24th, Trump was at 44% in their average.

00:45:30.950 --> 00:45:35.590
<v Sam>As of right now, Trump is at 43.7% in their average.

00:45:35.990 --> 00:45:39.610
<v Sam>He's dropped 0.3% in that timeframe.

00:45:40.030 --> 00:45:44.650
<v Sam>Meanwhile, Harris has gone from 44.9 to 47.2.

00:45:44.750 --> 00:45:51.570
<v Sam>So Harris has gotten some movement, but Trump, it's just flat. It's just flat.

00:45:51.790 --> 00:46:00.090
<v Sam>You know, nobody's coming or going. So this is all about undecideds and maybe

00:46:00.090 --> 00:46:02.830
<v Sam>a few of those RFK people jumping to Harris.

00:46:03.370 --> 00:46:07.350
<v Sam>That's what it's about. It's not people are turning away from Trump.

00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:12.510
<v Ivan>And it's all the one thing that, like we've said, we don't exactly know about

00:46:12.510 --> 00:46:18.110
<v Ivan>turnout, which always is a big driver around all of these things.

00:46:18.110 --> 00:46:22.630
<v Sam>Well, and you hear anecdotally all these stories about how like,

00:46:22.750 --> 00:46:26.690
<v Sam>you know, the support for Trump is, you know, you're not seeing as many like

00:46:26.690 --> 00:46:32.930
<v Sam>Trump parades and you're not seeing as many signs or the trucks with the flags behind them.

00:46:32.990 --> 00:46:35.410
<v Sam>And they're just less than there were before.

00:46:36.110 --> 00:46:41.330
<v Sam>But and so maybe that indicates less enthusiasm, but does it mean they won't vote?

00:46:41.450 --> 00:46:46.830
<v Ivan>No, but I think more like a lot of that we've talked about over the last four

00:46:46.830 --> 00:46:50.690
<v Ivan>years. There's been turnout for special elections and all these other things,

00:46:50.770 --> 00:46:54.670
<v Ivan>et cetera, that we've been surprised. We've been continuously surprised.

00:46:55.070 --> 00:47:01.690
<v Ivan>You know, we were continuously surprised in 2016 and even in 2020 on turnout

00:47:01.690 --> 00:47:03.190
<v Ivan>in the opposite direction.

00:47:04.370 --> 00:47:08.210
<v Ivan>But we have been repeatedly surprised in the opposite direction.

00:47:08.350 --> 00:47:11.730
<v Ivan>It doesn't, you know, to create a massive landslide, you know,

00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:14.710
<v Ivan>in the electoral system, it's not like it takes a lot of points.

00:47:15.610 --> 00:47:15.630
<v Sam>Right.

00:47:15.670 --> 00:47:20.170
<v Ivan>One to two points that you're underestimating on one candidate at a number of

00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:21.870
<v Ivan>states creates a landslide.

00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:28.970
<v Ivan>It's that simple in the EV college. And so, yeah, it's very tight.

00:47:29.430 --> 00:47:35.630
<v Sam>I just brought up election betting odds. So this is, this averages odds from

00:47:35.630 --> 00:47:39.230
<v Sam>Betfair, Smarkets, Predictit, and Polymarket.

00:47:39.470 --> 00:47:40.010
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:47:40.110 --> 00:47:48.090
<v Sam>And right now, this very second, they have Harris 49.1%, Trump 49.1%.

00:47:48.090 --> 00:47:49.010
<v Ivan>Jesus.

00:47:49.850 --> 00:47:55.150
<v Sam>So, and then like other random people that's just dumbass.

00:47:55.270 --> 00:48:00.030
<v Sam>It's not even the right people. Like, if an asteroid hit and killed both Trump

00:48:00.030 --> 00:48:03.150
<v Sam>and Harris, the people they have third, fourth, fifth, and sixth on the list

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:05.590
<v Sam>are not the people who would be most likely to win.

00:48:05.910 --> 00:48:09.210
<v Ivan>Which is why those aren't exactly the best places to look at.

00:48:09.270 --> 00:48:17.310
<v Sam>I mean, they have Haley next at 0.6%, and then Michelle Obama at 0.5%. And then RFK Jr.

00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:20.810
<v Sam>at 0.2%, and Hillary Clinton at 0.1%.

00:48:20.810 --> 00:48:21.130
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:48:21.130 --> 00:48:27.610
<v Sam>You know, here's the thing. It is possible that neither Trump or Harris will

00:48:27.610 --> 00:48:30.650
<v Sam>end up as president. There are scenarios that play out that way.

00:48:30.770 --> 00:48:36.050
<v Sam>One or both of them could drop dead or have to drop out or whatever.

00:48:36.250 --> 00:48:41.830
<v Sam>That could happen. But in the scenarios that that happens, we're not going to

00:48:41.830 --> 00:48:43.730
<v Sam>get Haley, Obama, Kennedy, or Clinton.

00:48:43.990 --> 00:48:47.730
<v Sam>We're going to get like Walls or Vance, you know?

00:48:48.410 --> 00:48:51.030
<v Sam>Or even if those two were knocked out too.

00:48:52.220 --> 00:48:55.900
<v Sam>It's not going to be Haley, Obama, Kennedy, or Clinton. There would be other

00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:58.600
<v Sam>people who would be more likely anyway.

00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.240
<v Ivan>Okay. All right.

00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.940
<v Sam>Of course, I should say this.

00:49:03.120 --> 00:49:03.560
<v Ivan>Yeah?

00:49:03.720 --> 00:49:10.540
<v Sam>If both Harris and Trump were, well, you'd have to kill Biden too.

00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.860
<v Sam>I was going to say you could end up with Speaker of the House Johnson or somebody

00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:18.260
<v Sam>as president if you knocked out people.

00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:21.160
<v Ivan>Oh, God. Okay. Well, no, but you have Biden.

00:49:21.160 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Sam>Okay, did you have other politics questions besides polls?

00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Ivan>So, I mean, we had these things that happened. You didn't watch the interview.

00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:39.820
<v Sam>I did not. I've heard clips, basically. I have not watched it.

00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:41.740
<v Ivan>I mean, it sounded good.

00:49:42.060 --> 00:49:47.680
<v Sam>The basic summary of the impressions I've heard from people and from the few

00:49:47.680 --> 00:49:55.260
<v Sam>clips I have heard is that Harrison Walls both essentially knocked it out of

00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:58.260
<v Sam>the park in terms of handling the interview well.

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:07.240
<v Sam>However, the interview itself was just dumb. The questions were dumb and it's

00:50:07.240 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Sam>like, didn't add any real information.

00:50:09.640 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Sam>There was a lot of, what do you think about this Republican talking point?

00:50:13.140 --> 00:50:16.640
<v Sam>A lot of the questions were structured like that now

00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Sam>i've seen like i've read some of the chyrons on fox news when i have like the

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Sam>four up display with all the news networks and they're doing a lot of like the

00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:31.420
<v Sam>interview proved she's unserious you know and you know that she has no weight

00:50:31.420 --> 00:50:35.380
<v Sam>and no real policy and blah blah blah she has no weight what.

00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Ivan>She's weightless what is she in space.

00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:41.620
<v Sam>Oh yeah probably probably you know Our first president in space.

00:50:42.140 --> 00:50:47.120
<v Sam>You know, but from the little bits I've heard, she handled the questions that were asked,

00:50:47.850 --> 00:50:52.010
<v Sam>very well. Trump said that it was boring. Trump said it was boring,

00:50:52.170 --> 00:50:57.090
<v Sam>which again, that's not necessarily bad.

00:50:57.650 --> 00:51:04.330
<v Sam>There were policy questions asked where she answered in detail.

00:51:05.130 --> 00:51:10.170
<v Sam>She knew what the fuck she was talking about and said, well,

00:51:10.330 --> 00:51:14.610
<v Sam>X, Y, Z, and here's why we did this, and here's what we're going to do next

00:51:14.610 --> 00:51:15.790
<v Sam>and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:20.470
<v Ivan>I guess Trump expected him to, I don't know, do the tango or something.

00:51:20.930 --> 00:51:25.510
<v Sam>Well, and you know what you're used to like in a Trump interview is that he

00:51:25.510 --> 00:51:26.930
<v Sam>doesn't answer the question at all.

00:51:27.030 --> 00:51:29.810
<v Sam>Instead, he yells about how the question is stupid.

00:51:29.950 --> 00:51:37.250
<v Sam>He yells about how it's unfair, how he actually won the 2020 election and people are after him.

00:51:37.610 --> 00:51:42.230
<v Sam>And like all of this sort of performative stuff without any – Like,

00:51:42.270 --> 00:51:45.250
<v Sam>and this people have brought up over and over and over again,

00:51:45.350 --> 00:51:50.170
<v Sam>which is like the ridiculous double standard that is applied here.

00:51:50.470 --> 00:51:57.270
<v Sam>Like people are nitpicking Harrison walls on like detailed policy questions.

00:51:57.610 --> 00:52:03.590
<v Sam>And were you exactly right in the way you worded your history about the whatever.

00:52:03.950 --> 00:52:09.110
<v Sam>And meanwhile, Trump can't say a single sentence without being,

00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:11.550
<v Sam>without lying about every word.

00:52:12.510 --> 00:52:16.250
<v Sam>And, and, and, and like, he says things that don't make sense.

00:52:16.350 --> 00:52:19.790
<v Sam>He says things that have no relation to reality whatsoever.

00:52:20.270 --> 00:52:25.790
<v Sam>He just in the last couple of days, he's gone back and forth on abortion and IVF.

00:52:25.790 --> 00:52:29.770
<v Ivan>That was the next thing that I, that I had on my list. Hey, Sam.

00:52:29.890 --> 00:52:38.390
<v Ivan>So, So is Trump, you know, pro-choice? Is he pro-IVF? Is he anti? What is he, Sam?

00:52:39.010 --> 00:52:45.010
<v Sam>Look, here's the thing. And this applies to absolutely everything Trump-related.

00:52:45.310 --> 00:52:45.830
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:52:46.490 --> 00:52:52.890
<v Sam>He doesn't give a shit about the actual policy. He says what he thinks will get him to win.

00:52:53.230 --> 00:52:57.550
<v Sam>Correct. Like, and this, every single issue.

00:52:57.890 --> 00:53:01.770
<v Sam>Like, he doesn't care. he doesn't care he doesn't care at all what.

00:53:01.770 --> 00:53:02.690
<v Ivan>Could i say with.

00:53:02.690 --> 00:53:05.750
<v Sam>Yeah yeah that's it

00:53:05.750 --> 00:53:09.030
<v Sam>that's it and so like he sensed that people

00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:15.490
<v Sam>were upset a little bit about abortion and so he tried to moderate his opinion

00:53:15.490 --> 00:53:20.930
<v Sam>a bit and guess what his his quote-unquote base got really upset by it so he

00:53:20.930 --> 00:53:26.490
<v Sam>went back the other direction a few hours later and of course before that he

00:53:26.490 --> 00:53:28.970
<v Sam>was taking credit it for getting rid of Roe,

00:53:28.970 --> 00:53:31.650
<v Sam>and he's been trying to push this.

00:53:32.430 --> 00:53:35.430
<v Sam>Everybody wanted it to just go to the states, and that's what they got,

00:53:35.530 --> 00:53:36.710
<v Sam>so everybody should be up for it.

00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:41.310
<v Ivan>Everybody wanted it. Everybody had been collaborating for it to go to the states.

00:53:41.310 --> 00:53:43.930
<v Ivan>I didn't hear about this. That was what all the polls said.

00:53:44.530 --> 00:53:48.270
<v Sam>Yeah. Yeah. Everybody. And so he's trying to,

00:53:48.330 --> 00:53:52.950
<v Sam>he's flailing around trying to figure out the fact that like this out of several

00:53:52.950 --> 00:53:58.970
<v Sam>issues where his stated positions in the past and the Republican party more

00:53:58.970 --> 00:54:03.130
<v Sam>generally there where they have really unpopular positions,

00:54:03.310 --> 00:54:12.210
<v Sam>he's trying to triangulate and figure out how to say something that will get more people on board.

00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:18.850
<v Sam>and it has absolutely nothing to do with his beliefs on the damn issue if he

00:54:18.850 --> 00:54:23.830
<v Sam>ever says something that actually represents a belief it's an accident and.

00:54:23.830 --> 00:54:26.110
<v Ivan>Actually he doesn't he doesn't know what he's.

00:54:26.110 --> 00:54:26.850
<v Sam>Talking about anyway.

00:54:26.850 --> 00:54:33.950
<v Ivan>No he believe that he should get money now that's one thing yes now that's one thing that.

00:54:33.950 --> 00:54:35.930
<v Sam>Is one thing that he actually has.

00:54:35.930 --> 00:54:42.110
<v Ivan>I mean a principled opinion on uh you know like his his very principled opinion

00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:45.410
<v Ivan>on cryptocurrency that which is.

00:54:46.750 --> 00:54:48.130
<v Sam>He hated it and.

00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:48.810
<v Ivan>Pulling out a big.

00:54:48.810 --> 00:54:49.970
<v Sam>Donor that liked it.

00:54:49.970 --> 00:54:52.830
<v Ivan>And then he liked it and then he likes

00:54:52.830 --> 00:54:56.350
<v Ivan>it and then he was going to be the most crypto pro president

00:54:56.350 --> 00:55:01.010
<v Ivan>ever and then he was going to as usual i mean the thing is i don't understand

00:55:01.010 --> 00:55:05.350
<v Ivan>how these people support him when he does this shit every time i'm going to

00:55:05.350 --> 00:55:09.510
<v Ivan>be announcing you know you were talking about the double standard harris asking

00:55:09.510 --> 00:55:13.670
<v Ivan>a question about policy giving a detail i'm gonna announce the detailed,

00:55:14.890 --> 00:55:18.610
<v Ivan>cryptocurrency that my administration will have because the united states is

00:55:18.610 --> 00:55:23.270
<v Ivan>going to be a crypto what the fuck was it it was like heaven it was like the

00:55:23.270 --> 00:55:28.590
<v Ivan>olympus whatever the fuck it was okay just like the best place for crypto and

00:55:28.590 --> 00:55:33.410
<v Ivan>we're gonna create like some kind of crypto like like, super fund or something or whatever.

00:55:33.630 --> 00:55:36.790
<v Ivan>And then he announces his crypto thing.

00:55:37.650 --> 00:55:39.610
<v Ivan>And basically, he's...

00:55:40.270 --> 00:55:46.410
<v Ivan>getting paid by some guy to brand his own crypto currency that's it yeah nice

00:55:46.410 --> 00:55:55.370
<v Ivan>and then he decided to promote it to everybody on lo and behold on x by you

00:55:55.370 --> 00:55:58.690
<v Ivan>know by by you know by shoving around,

00:55:59.230 --> 00:56:04.950
<v Ivan>this guy who i guess is paying him money for some new cryptocurrency that's so that's the trump,

00:56:06.190 --> 00:56:08.550
<v Ivan>cryptocurrency policy.

00:56:09.290 --> 00:56:12.210
<v Ivan>Buy the branded crypto.

00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:17.210
<v Ivan>I will get money and we will be fine.

00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:24.630
<v Sam>And yes, and this is not the only issue he's done this on. He's completely reversed the opinion.

00:56:25.790 --> 00:56:30.450
<v Ivan>I mean, how old would I have during a campaign selling $99 digital trading card?

00:56:31.650 --> 00:56:35.390
<v Ivan>I mean, Which scam is he not running, man?

00:56:36.530 --> 00:56:39.430
<v Sam>And nothing's changed. I mean, he's been doing this the whole time.

00:56:39.650 --> 00:56:41.950
<v Sam>It's just like, what's this week's version?

00:56:42.010 --> 00:56:45.470
<v Ivan>It's just like in the middle of a fucking election campaign.

00:56:46.410 --> 00:56:49.810
<v Ivan>He's like, oh, yeah, let me just announce another scam.

00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:56.750
<v Ivan>So, okay, the other thing that I've got here on the list that everybody seems

00:56:56.750 --> 00:56:57.930
<v Ivan>to have forgotten already.

00:56:58.770 --> 00:56:59.290
<v Sam>Arlington?

00:57:00.270 --> 00:57:04.970
<v Ivan>Well, that one's like, whatever. ever know more important superseding indictment sam.

00:57:04.970 --> 00:57:07.930
<v Sam>Oh yeah we'll talk about that and then and then

00:57:07.930 --> 00:57:10.810
<v Sam>i'll do arlington for a little bit but yeah we

00:57:10.810 --> 00:57:15.010
<v Sam>had the superseding indictment the reason it's gone away so quickly in terms

00:57:15.010 --> 00:57:22.130
<v Sam>of attention is because there were no charges added or anything this was the

00:57:22.130 --> 00:57:30.110
<v Sam>special counsel for the dc case the january 6th case just refiling refiling the the indictment,

00:57:30.190 --> 00:57:35.630
<v Sam>essentially taking out all the stuff the Supreme Court said they couldn't use.

00:57:35.870 --> 00:57:42.350
<v Sam>Great. So they actually, as we are recording, both the special counsel and Trump's

00:57:42.350 --> 00:57:48.850
<v Sam>lawyers have a few hours left to submit their briefs to Judge Trunkin on,

00:57:49.130 --> 00:57:50.810
<v Sam>Trunkin, is that how you say it?

00:57:50.850 --> 00:57:53.650
<v Sam>Anyway, whatever, you know how bad we are at hands.

00:57:54.270 --> 00:57:58.310
<v Sam>Yes, briefs, not underwear. Oh, okay.

00:57:58.310 --> 00:58:00.650
<v Ivan>You could. Oh, you mean, okay. No.

00:58:00.930 --> 00:58:03.690
<v Sam>All the lawyers have to submit their underwear.

00:58:04.330 --> 00:58:07.670
<v Ivan>That would be one hell of a way of doing this, but no, thank you.

00:58:07.710 --> 00:58:10.890
<v Sam>No, they have to submit their briefs on how this case should proceed,

00:58:10.990 --> 00:58:14.450
<v Sam>given the Supreme Court's judgment on presidential immunity.

00:58:14.810 --> 00:58:19.550
<v Sam>But the superseding indictment is specifically redoing the indictment,

00:58:19.610 --> 00:58:22.650
<v Sam>taking out everything that is...

00:58:23.210 --> 00:58:28.170
<v Sam>would be problematic given what the Supreme court said, or in the cases where

00:58:28.170 --> 00:58:33.190
<v Sam>the Supreme court said there was a presumption, but that could be overcome putting

00:58:33.190 --> 00:58:36.830
<v Sam>in detailed arguments about why it overcame the presumption and stuff like that.

00:58:36.910 --> 00:58:39.790
<v Sam>So it's not like new charges.

00:58:40.070 --> 00:58:48.310
<v Sam>It's just representing the old charges in a way designed to deal with the Supreme court decision.

00:58:48.650 --> 00:58:49.950
<v Ivan>Right. Okay.

00:58:50.430 --> 00:58:54.930
<v Sam>Because there was some evidence that they are like, there are some things like

00:58:54.930 --> 00:58:59.910
<v Sam>where he talked to the Justice Department to try to get them to do bogus investigations

00:58:59.910 --> 00:59:03.570
<v Sam>that the Supreme Court said was off limits. So that stuff's completely gone.

00:59:03.870 --> 00:59:08.570
<v Sam>There are some places where there were references to conversations that happened

00:59:08.570 --> 00:59:11.530
<v Sam>in the Oval Office or tweets that were done from the Oval Office.

00:59:11.670 --> 00:59:17.930
<v Sam>Those references are gone. They also added stuff to specifically point out that

00:59:17.930 --> 00:59:23.310
<v Sam>all the co-conspirators were acting in their private capacities when they were

00:59:23.310 --> 00:59:24.530
<v Sam>talking about Mike Pence.

00:59:24.750 --> 00:59:30.130
<v Sam>They took out things where there were conversations with Mike Pence about executive

00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:34.450
<v Sam>office functions, just generally when they were talking about election fraud,

00:59:34.490 --> 00:59:35.730
<v Sam>for instance. All that stuff's gone.

00:59:35.950 --> 00:59:41.050
<v Sam>But they left in when Pence was acting as president of the Senate.

00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Sam>Because that isn't, you know, the vice president has a dual role.

00:59:46.160 --> 00:59:50.100
<v Sam>Yes, they're an executive branch, but when they're, when they're acting as president

00:59:50.100 --> 00:59:52.460
<v Sam>of the Senate, they're actually part of the legislative branch.

00:59:52.540 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Sam>And so they made it clear, like almost every time Pence was mentioned,

00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:03.140
<v Sam>they talked about, you know, his role as president of the Senate and anywhere

01:00:03.140 --> 01:00:04.880
<v Sam>they couldn't say that they took out.

01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.700
<v Sam>So those are the kinds of changes they made.

01:00:08.040 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Sam>And, you know, Like I said, within the next few hours, it's due by,

01:00:12.060 --> 01:00:14.820
<v Sam>I think, Friday midnight Eastern time.

01:00:15.160 --> 01:00:18.540
<v Sam>So getting very close here, they're

01:00:18.540 --> 01:00:22.700
<v Sam>supposed to submit their plans to the judge on how to move forward.

01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Sam>And then sometime next week, we'll hear more about that as well.

01:00:27.160 --> 01:00:30.460
<v Sam>Because I think the judge is going to have a hearing and then they'll make a

01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:33.520
<v Sam>decision and then we'll see what's going forward on that.

01:00:34.060 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Sam>So yeah, that's what's going on with the superseding indictment.

01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:41.300
<v Ivan>Okay. Well, I want to mention something about the Arlington thing.

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:45.260
<v Ivan>I'm just like, I don't know what I mean. What do you expect from this asshole?

01:00:45.260 --> 01:00:53.780
<v Sam>So here's the thing. And this is an example of like, as well of has Trump lost some of his mojo here?

01:00:53.920 --> 01:01:05.300
<v Sam>Because the intention here was to beef up his, you know, his whole reputation with the military.

01:01:05.300 --> 01:01:11.040
<v Sam>And specifically, the thing that he was going to at Arlington was the one-year anniversary.

01:01:11.580 --> 01:01:13.120
<v Sam>Was it one year? Two years. Whatever.

01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:14.140
<v Ivan>Yeah, I think it's whatever.

01:01:14.500 --> 01:01:14.840
<v Sam>Two years.

01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:16.040
<v Ivan>The anniversary.

01:01:16.740 --> 01:01:22.260
<v Sam>Yeah, the anniversary. However many years it is, we've lost track of the soldiers

01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:25.660
<v Sam>who were killed in Afghanistan while we were withdrawing.

01:01:25.740 --> 01:01:30.600
<v Sam>And so he was going with the families of some of those people who were killed

01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:36.780
<v Sam>to visit their graves, blah, blah, blah. And so the intention was A, highlight Biden's,

01:01:37.530 --> 01:01:41.210
<v Sam>issue in Afghanistan of all the things in his presidency, that was one of the

01:01:41.210 --> 01:01:42.410
<v Sam>ones that was the most chaotic.

01:01:42.450 --> 01:01:49.150
<v Sam>And you can argue why it almost had to be that way, but nevertheless, it was not a good look.

01:01:49.450 --> 01:01:54.530
<v Sam>Um, and so he wanted to highlight that. And plus he wanted some nice pictures

01:01:54.530 --> 01:01:56.270
<v Sam>of him supporting veterans and stuff.

01:01:56.390 --> 01:01:57.810
<v Ivan>Yeah. But that's the problem.

01:01:57.850 --> 01:02:03.850
<v Sam>But it completely backfired on him because he went and like,

01:02:03.950 --> 01:02:08.330
<v Sam>he made a campaign commercial out of this, But the problem is that there are

01:02:08.330 --> 01:02:13.590
<v Sam>federal laws saying you can't do that at that part of the cemetery.

01:02:14.150 --> 01:02:16.750
<v Ivan>Great. And there's a good reason for that.

01:02:17.490 --> 01:02:18.710
<v Sam>You know, basically you cannot.

01:02:18.710 --> 01:02:24.090
<v Ivan>Not just at that cemetery. At any of the military cemeteries around, you know, that exist.

01:02:24.370 --> 01:02:25.710
<v Sam>Right. Well, apparently.

01:02:25.830 --> 01:02:26.570
<v Ivan>National cemeteries.

01:02:26.570 --> 01:02:29.330
<v Sam>National cemeteries. No, but even within the national cemeteries,

01:02:29.350 --> 01:02:33.690
<v Sam>apparently, like if you want to do that in the part that has Civil War veterans, you can do it.

01:02:33.690 --> 01:02:39.290
<v Sam>The parts that are restricted are the parts that are from modern wars where

01:02:39.290 --> 01:02:44.790
<v Sam>the relatives of the dead are still very actively visiting people they knew, right?

01:02:45.930 --> 01:02:50.930
<v Sam>And so, but yeah, so he went in, him and his team.

01:02:51.130 --> 01:02:56.670
<v Sam>They were told multiple times that, no, you cannot have, you know,

01:02:56.670 --> 01:03:02.650
<v Sam>video and photography in this area. like, you know, your own private ones,

01:03:02.790 --> 01:03:04.950
<v Sam>especially anything related to your campaign.

01:03:05.170 --> 01:03:12.510
<v Sam>They ignored that. Somebody on their team assaulted the army person who was telling them no.

01:03:13.430 --> 01:03:17.730
<v Sam>And then, and of course they use all this footage in a commercial anyway,

01:03:17.910 --> 01:03:23.750
<v Sam>and it has Trump standing next to the grave, grinning and giving a big thumbs up sign.

01:03:24.310 --> 01:03:26.290
<v Sam>And it's like- I didn't see that.

01:03:26.470 --> 01:03:32.190
<v Ivan>He's reciting Trump. I'm grave grinning with a thumbs up.

01:03:32.610 --> 01:03:34.110
<v Sam>Yes. Yes.

01:03:35.090 --> 01:03:36.010
<v Ivan>I cannot stop.

01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.240
<v Sam>And so, of course.

01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.300
<v Ivan>Like that part, I didn't know.

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:46.460
<v Sam>Yes. That is the case. I've seen the pictures I've seen and not,

01:03:46.520 --> 01:03:48.360
<v Sam>it's not just that the picture exists.

01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:50.960
<v Sam>They, they're using this in ads.

01:03:52.220 --> 01:03:52.740
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:03:54.920 --> 01:04:01.020
<v Ivan>I'm going to go right beside my, my, my, my, my, my family's grave and just be sitting over there.

01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.080
<v Sam>Yes. The big thumbs up, big grin.

01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:12.840
<v Ivan>It's literally a meme. It's literally a meme like this. Like, he's fucking crazy.

01:04:14.040 --> 01:04:19.140
<v Sam>So here's the thing. Like, all sorts of military organizations who already weren't

01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:23.320
<v Sam>all that hot on him because of the statements he's made about,

01:04:23.420 --> 01:04:26.060
<v Sam>you know, prisoners of war being idiots.

01:04:26.520 --> 01:04:31.020
<v Sam>John McCain and others, he made statements while he was president that he didn't

01:04:31.020 --> 01:04:35.600
<v Sam>want, like, the people, you know, who were in wheelchairs because they lost legs in the war.

01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:38.820
<v Sam>Don't bring them in here. Don't show them. No one wants to see that.

01:04:38.980 --> 01:04:43.220
<v Sam>He said things like that. He made a comment just a couple of weeks ago about

01:04:43.220 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Sam>the Medal of Honor not being as good as the Medal for Civilians because you

01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:56.380
<v Sam>didn't have to die or be injured to get the other one.

01:04:57.620 --> 01:05:02.600
<v Sam>And so a lot of military organizations have basically condemned his behavior

01:05:02.600 --> 01:05:03.860
<v Sam>at the cemetery, all that.

01:05:04.040 --> 01:05:08.240
<v Sam>Now, there was one fake poll that's been going around showing like Oh God.

01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:11.560
<v Ivan>The fake poll. Which I went and I suspected it had to be fake.

01:05:11.640 --> 01:05:13.480
<v Ivan>And I said to this, I said, is this real?

01:05:13.940 --> 01:05:20.300
<v Ivan>But yeah, somebody went and doctored like a Fox screen To show like 90% And

01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:23.580
<v Ivan>I'm like looking at it and I'll go, bullshit, no way.

01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.180
<v Sam>Yeah, it was like I would dream, but no.

01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:31.200
<v Sam>Trump's ratings being like near zero for everything, like 10%,

01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:33.960
<v Sam>5%, whatever, amongst military families.

01:05:34.340 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Ivan>It should be, but But it isn't.

01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:43.340
<v Sam>It isn't. And the military has been getting less Republican over time.

01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:47.700
<v Sam>But historically, the military has been a very conservative organization.

01:05:48.140 --> 01:05:48.680
<v Ivan>Yes, yes.

01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:56.220
<v Sam>And so you certainly don't get like, you know, suddenly the military are the

01:05:56.220 --> 01:06:01.620
<v Sam>most liberal people in the universe and are all 95% for Harris or some bullshit like that.

01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.800
<v Sam>But it is hurting him amongst those groups.

01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:25.140
<v Sam>Yeah, it's not happening. Yeah, it's not happening.

01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:31.820
<v Sam>that you are willing to sacrifice your own opportunities or your life because

01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:36.660
<v Sam>you are serving some higher cause that is completely alien to him.

01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:39.140
<v Sam>He can't understand that happening.

01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:46.640
<v Sam>And so, you know, so whenever you get that kind of scenario where someone has

01:06:46.640 --> 01:06:51.160
<v Sam>died or been injured or hell,

01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:56.180
<v Sam>even when they're doing something like they're giving up financial opportunities

01:06:56.180 --> 01:06:57.900
<v Sam>to work in the public sector,

01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Sam>let alone like dying or being injured.

01:07:03.240 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Sam>What do you mean you're teaching for like 30K a year when you could be doing

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Sam>something that made you money?

01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:13.920
<v Ivan>Right.

01:07:14.100 --> 01:07:17.400
<v Sam>You just can't understand. and i this

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:21.100
<v Sam>stuff is seems to be like a lot

01:07:21.100 --> 01:07:24.040
<v Sam>of people are reacting negatively to it but again we were

01:07:24.040 --> 01:07:28.000
<v Sam>just talking about polls like these numbers are flat like.

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.940
<v Sam>Most so maybe most of the people who actually care about

01:07:30.940 --> 01:07:33.700
<v Sam>this kind of stuff already left him a long time

01:07:33.700 --> 01:07:36.640
<v Sam>ago and the ones that are left are going to be there forever

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:41.560
<v Sam>yeah you know so okay that's

01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:48.520
<v Sam>that's all the stuff are we done with politics yeah okay let's take another

01:07:48.520 --> 01:07:53.820
<v Sam>break and then i'll bring up a couple non-politics things and then we'll then

01:07:53.820 --> 01:07:57.320
<v Sam>we'll wrap this sucker up back after this.

01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:51.800
<v Sam>Okay. There we are. For those of you who are just listening on audio,

01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:54.920
<v Sam>you missed both Yvonne and I sort of dancing and bopping along.

01:08:55.060 --> 01:08:56.140
<v Ivan>Dancing, bopping, yeah.

01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:04.340
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. Okay. I got three things that aren't directly related but are sort of whatever.

01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.980
<v Sam>Just three things that we can talk about quickly. So I want to start,

01:09:09.020 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Sam>though, with something that hit the news a few hours before we were recording.

01:09:14.240 --> 01:09:17.900
<v Sam>Brazil has banned Axe. What the fuck's going on, Yvonne?

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:25.960
<v Ivan>Well, as far as I can tell, for a long time, the thing is, the way that I understand,

01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.400
<v Ivan>and don't get me, don't, even though I have to deal.

01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:31.020
<v Sam>Don't quote you.

01:09:31.420 --> 01:09:36.260
<v Ivan>Well, no, I'm not an expert in the Brazilian legal system, even though I've had to deal with it.

01:09:36.280 --> 01:09:42.100
<v Sam>No, really? Yeah, you're not an expert. I thought you were a Brazilian lawyer all this time.

01:09:42.280 --> 01:09:44.280
<v Sam>I have been under the misunderstanding.

01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:50.220
<v Ivan>And I am standing a lot more familiar with, like, say, how federal courts work, state courts.

01:09:50.540 --> 01:09:54.820
<v Ivan>And I know how you could appeal U.S. federal and state courts.

01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.240
<v Ivan>I understand why you could bring a state action or why you could bring a federal

01:09:58.240 --> 01:09:59.940
<v Ivan>action for certain cases.

01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:04.040
<v Ivan>But normally would be because the difference is, you know, I know some of that

01:10:04.040 --> 01:10:06.940
<v Ivan>from Brazil. I know a little. OK.

01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:11.320
<v Ivan>But one thing that I that I remember is that the judges, when they're assigned,

01:10:11.420 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Ivan>they're like prosecutors themselves. Okay.

01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:21.380
<v Ivan>And so when they have been doing this investigation into X,

01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:31.480
<v Ivan>the thing is that they have been demanding many things from X to produce them.

01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:36.680
<v Ivan>And Elon thinking that every nation has the same rules and laws,

01:10:37.060 --> 01:10:39.460
<v Ivan>they've been ignoring them. them.

01:10:39.460 --> 01:10:43.900
<v Sam>Well also they as well as asking for documents and other evidence and stuff they're also.

01:10:43.900 --> 01:10:46.780
<v Ivan>Asking him to remove some posts right correct and

01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Ivan>they were also asking him to send subcontinent actions of

01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:54.580
<v Ivan>according to local law and one of the things that i always said is and i still

01:10:54.580 --> 01:10:59.240
<v Ivan>don't understand how x has not gotten into more trouble regarding this across

01:10:59.240 --> 01:11:05.780
<v Ivan>the world especially in europe okay where i know that it there are certain things

01:11:05.780 --> 01:11:08.560
<v Ivan>related to this is that if they don't have that That ability,

01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.660
<v Ivan>at some point, this is going to catch up with them legally mid-time,

01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.300
<v Ivan>because they basically got rid of most of the people that do this.

01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.800
<v Ivan>And so they have not been complying with orders. They've not been responding

01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:21.740
<v Ivan>to subpoenas. They've not been responding to everything.

01:11:21.980 --> 01:11:26.940
<v Ivan>And from what it seems is that he's acting like everywhere, where he thinks

01:11:26.940 --> 01:11:31.040
<v Ivan>that he can just ignore the law ad infinitum.

01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.620
<v Ivan>and they finally got fed up and they said you know what

01:11:34.620 --> 01:11:40.200
<v Ivan>listen if you're going to be in complete content fuck you you know we're it's

01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:45.160
<v Ivan>a temporary order as far as i understand it's not a permanent ban but look brazilian

01:11:45.160 --> 01:11:51.180
<v Ivan>courts have been this is a fuck around and find out thing because just to be

01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:53.420
<v Ivan>clear they've said they've.

01:11:53.420 --> 01:11:55.740
<v Sam>Said they've said x can't operate there.

01:11:55.740 --> 01:11:56.700
<v Ivan>Yes they've.

01:11:56.700 --> 01:12:01.680
<v Sam>Also said that anybody using a vpn to get access to x anyway has.

01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:02.780
<v Ivan>Significant fines.

01:12:02.780 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Sam>Like close to ten thousand dollars for trying.

01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.280
<v Ivan>To do that um i i think.

01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:14.140
<v Sam>I think i saw somewhere else that they're also telling app stores to pull some

01:12:14.140 --> 01:12:15.700
<v Sam>of the vpn software as well.

01:12:15.700 --> 01:12:16.560
<v Ivan>Right so.

01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.120
<v Sam>This is a fairly extensive order to.

01:12:20.120 --> 01:12:25.540
<v Ivan>Well this is and listen the one thing is that this is a fuck around and find out moment.

01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:32.500
<v Ivan>A few years ago, Facebook had been brought to court over failure to comply over certain things.

01:12:33.480 --> 01:12:40.820
<v Ivan>I can't remember exactly related to what. Bottom line is that they kept doing the same shit.

01:12:41.700 --> 01:12:44.400
<v Ivan>They had taken the Facebook Brazil president and jailed him.

01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:45.300
<v Sam>Right.

01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:51.540
<v Ivan>I vaguely remember that. Yeah. And then I know another time,

01:12:52.790 --> 01:12:56.930
<v Ivan>The Cisco Brazil president was also thrown in jail, in large part,

01:12:56.990 --> 01:13:02.250
<v Ivan>by the way, because it was found out that he was in cahoots over a scam to evade import duties.

01:13:02.650 --> 01:13:03.790
<v Sam>Oh, beautiful. Yeah.

01:13:04.150 --> 01:13:07.410
<v Ivan>Yeah. So that, yeah, so that, that was the thing.

01:13:07.450 --> 01:13:12.530
<v Ivan>So, and look, even my previous employer, Kodak, and I can talk about this because

01:13:12.530 --> 01:13:18.590
<v Ivan>this is in public filings, or if you look at the SEC filings for my old employer, Kodak, it's there.

01:13:19.290 --> 01:13:24.710
<v Ivan>We had a whole bunch of assets frozen. That were still frozen when I left because

01:13:24.710 --> 01:13:31.350
<v Ivan>there was a $100 million tax judgment against Kodak Brazil.

01:13:31.910 --> 01:13:36.830
<v Ivan>And the bulk of the assets that the company owned there were under,

01:13:37.010 --> 01:13:40.970
<v Ivan>you know, were frozen until this got resolved.

01:13:40.970 --> 01:13:44.190
<v Ivan>involved so brazilian courts

01:13:44.190 --> 01:13:47.410
<v Ivan>don't fuck around okay they will

01:13:47.410 --> 01:13:50.150
<v Ivan>you know it's not something you know their

01:13:50.150 --> 01:13:54.890
<v Ivan>court system is strong they're not like they you know i will say that when they're

01:13:54.890 --> 01:14:01.990
<v Ivan>talking about when they go about enforcing shit they don't fuck around and so

01:14:01.990 --> 01:14:06.090
<v Ivan>where he thinks that in the u.s he can like vote the motion make us a peanut

01:14:06.090 --> 01:14:08.890
<v Ivan>push off whatever pa pa pa pa man Man,

01:14:09.010 --> 01:14:12.530
<v Ivan>they get really hard with big companies that don't comply.

01:14:13.490 --> 01:14:19.150
<v Ivan>And you really, really, really just try to just ask the same.

01:14:19.150 --> 01:14:26.910
<v Sam>And to be clear, this isn't like X going through the legal process and in the end losing.

01:14:27.070 --> 01:14:31.810
<v Sam>It's them refusing to participate in the process. Correct.

01:14:32.090 --> 01:14:37.650
<v Ivan>And having multiple and multiple opportunities to comply where they refused.

01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:38.890
<v Sam>Right.

01:14:39.850 --> 01:14:44.770
<v Ivan>So, you know, well, I mean, it's a big market.

01:14:46.390 --> 01:14:50.930
<v Sam>Yes. And so one of the things I heard, I haven't had a lot of confirmation on

01:14:50.930 --> 01:14:55.530
<v Sam>this, but I saw a couple of people post on Mastodon that apparently a whole

01:14:55.530 --> 01:14:58.890
<v Sam>bunch of Brazilians in response to this are signing up for Blue Sky.

01:14:59.330 --> 01:15:02.590
<v Sam>Enough so that they crashed Blue Sky.

01:15:02.870 --> 01:15:06.530
<v Ivan>Well, listen, think about this. Brazil has 200 million people.

01:15:06.650 --> 01:15:09.510
<v Ivan>They have super high internet penetration.

01:15:09.850 --> 01:15:13.690
<v Ivan>mobile phone penetration all this shit this isn't like you know taking it away

01:15:13.690 --> 01:15:16.950
<v Ivan>from some country that you know some tiny country where nobody has cell phones

01:15:16.950 --> 01:15:22.710
<v Ivan>so yeah i mean i'm i'm expecting the figures from a whole bunch of tech companies

01:15:22.710 --> 01:15:28.910
<v Ivan>are gonna be like whoa we just got a whole bunch of people signed up for shit in a hurry and.

01:15:28.910 --> 01:15:34.450
<v Sam>And anybody who doesn't already have a brazilian presence is going to be like,

01:15:34.490 --> 01:15:37.550
<v Sam>oh, let's get that taken care of right now.

01:15:37.790 --> 01:15:38.670
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:38.750 --> 01:15:47.030
<v Sam>You know? Yeah, okay. Along those same lines, the CEO of Telegram got arrested in France.

01:15:49.070 --> 01:15:53.050
<v Ivan>I, you know what? I read a little bit about what the hell was going on,

01:15:53.210 --> 01:15:55.850
<v Ivan>but I didn't look at the details too much.

01:15:55.890 --> 01:16:00.570
<v Ivan>It seems that it was, like, also related to not complying with some requests

01:16:00.570 --> 01:16:02.050
<v Ivan>for investigations and stuff.

01:16:02.050 --> 01:16:04.530
<v Sam>There was some of that and then

01:16:04.530 --> 01:16:10.170
<v Sam>also, well, and I've heard mixed things about this. So on the one hand,

01:16:11.410 --> 01:16:16.870
<v Sam>At a high level, it's, hey, Telegram has become a cesspool for illegal activities.

01:16:17.270 --> 01:16:17.790
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:16:17.890 --> 01:16:27.650
<v Sam>Everything from child porn to coordinating arm sales, all this kind of stuff.

01:16:28.190 --> 01:16:35.690
<v Sam>But it's not, like people think of, there's a component of it that's like a

01:16:35.690 --> 01:16:38.870
<v Sam>WhatsApp or whatever, where it's like person-to-person communication.

01:16:38.930 --> 01:16:41.730
<v Sam>And that does exist. and it and

01:16:41.730 --> 01:16:44.670
<v Sam>by the way people assume it's like end-to-end encrypted by

01:16:44.670 --> 01:16:47.630
<v Sam>default it's not okay do that to do

01:16:47.630 --> 01:16:50.410
<v Sam>that person to person with end-to-end encryption you actually have to take

01:16:50.410 --> 01:16:57.010
<v Sam>some extra steps to do it but telegram also has like lots of channels really

01:16:57.010 --> 01:17:02.130
<v Sam>large channels that are open chat rooms right a lot of this illegal activity

01:17:02.130 --> 01:17:09.810
<v Sam>was happening there and so basically similar to what Elon's getting in trouble for in Brazil,

01:17:10.030 --> 01:17:13.970
<v Sam>which, by the way, we didn't mention, they've also sanctioned SpaceX as well

01:17:13.970 --> 01:17:16.450
<v Sam>as X, just because they're related somehow.

01:17:16.870 --> 01:17:19.690
<v Sam>Anyway, specifically Starlink.

01:17:20.950 --> 01:17:26.390
<v Sam>But with these Telegram channels, a lot of this illegal activity was happening

01:17:26.390 --> 01:17:27.530
<v Sam>in these public channels.

01:17:27.750 --> 01:17:35.130
<v Sam>It wasn't even in the secret places. And they were refusing to censor those

01:17:35.130 --> 01:17:40.270
<v Sam>locations out of a, you know, free speech mindset or whatever.

01:17:41.130 --> 01:17:46.910
<v Sam>Look, I sympathize to some degree with not wanting to put a heavy hand on censorship.

01:17:47.030 --> 01:17:56.250
<v Sam>But on the other hand, when your open chat room that anybody can join is facilitating

01:17:56.250 --> 01:17:58.550
<v Sam>illegal activities right there.

01:18:01.180 --> 01:18:03.700
<v Ivan>Look at some point somebody's going.

01:18:03.700 --> 01:18:04.560
<v Sam>To do something about that.

01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.780
<v Ivan>All the major telecommunication carriers

01:18:07.780 --> 01:18:11.160
<v Ivan>whatever the hell you want have areas dedicated

01:18:11.160 --> 01:18:15.060
<v Ivan>to basically law enforcement requests

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:21.020
<v Ivan>and a process and how to deal with them and how to comply with the law okay

01:18:21.020 --> 01:18:24.900
<v Ivan>when the requests come in the problem always comes in it's the same promise

01:18:24.900 --> 01:18:30.140
<v Ivan>as X is having in Brazil is that if you start getting those requests and you

01:18:30.140 --> 01:18:33.680
<v Ivan>basically decided that you want to operate like a rogue state,

01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:38.460
<v Ivan>well, at some point, they're going to come down on you. They're going to come down on you hard.

01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.420
<v Ivan>Plain and simple. You have to have a process. You have to be able to respond.

01:18:42.740 --> 01:18:46.860
<v Ivan>You have to be able to comply or say why you're not going to comply and the

01:18:46.860 --> 01:18:48.920
<v Ivan>reasoning, period. End the story.

01:18:49.260 --> 01:18:53.900
<v Sam>Or if you really and truly are like, we can't operate under those rules,

01:18:53.900 --> 01:18:55.700
<v Sam>then you don't operate in that country.

01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:57.780
<v Ivan>But you can't operate in that country, period.

01:18:58.280 --> 01:19:04.680
<v Sam>And look, lots of companies have made significant compromises in order to operate

01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:09.300
<v Sam>in China, for instance, or many other countries that have severe rules.

01:19:09.740 --> 01:19:14.940
<v Sam>They agree to things they would never agree to in the U.S. because it's the

01:19:14.940 --> 01:19:16.240
<v Sam>only way to be in that market.

01:19:16.460 --> 01:19:21.220
<v Sam>And you can judge them for that decision to make that compromise.

01:19:21.220 --> 01:19:28.200
<v Sam>compromise but if you go into a country and then say yeah but i'm not going to follow their rules,

01:19:29.100 --> 01:19:31.800
<v Sam>I'm going to blatantly operate illegally.

01:19:32.480 --> 01:19:36.540
<v Ivan>And I understand that maybe you don't agree with the rule, but unfortunately,

01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:39.460
<v Ivan>that's the rule there. And you're going to suffer the consequences.

01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.880
<v Ivan>You know, simple as that. I mean.

01:19:44.340 --> 01:19:50.200
<v Sam>Yeah. So and now the one thing that I heard was part and I don't have the details.

01:19:50.260 --> 01:19:55.180
<v Sam>I have not dug into this and a bad host for not doing so. Bringing up a topic

01:19:55.180 --> 01:19:56.280
<v Sam>I haven't researched fully.

01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:01.840
<v Sam>Oops. Oops, not like we ever get a lot of gear, you know, like we always only.

01:20:01.940 --> 01:20:04.740
<v Ivan>Oh, no, we're we are the experts on everything.

01:20:04.820 --> 01:20:09.340
<v Sam>On everything. Like we would never make a mistake thing. We never pull shit

01:20:09.340 --> 01:20:12.080
<v Sam>out of our asses to talk. No, never, never, never.

01:20:12.740 --> 01:20:18.700
<v Sam>Anyway, apparently there are one part of this potentially is about asking for

01:20:18.700 --> 01:20:23.820
<v Sam>encryption keys and other stuff that might compromise privacy for people using Telegram.

01:20:23.820 --> 01:20:27.380
<v Sam>And there's some questions about what Telegram has,

01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.800
<v Sam>what Telegram doesn't have, what level of encryption they have,

01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Sam>and when do they apply it, and stuff like that, that may have implications of

01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:42.020
<v Sam>France doing some things that have other negative consequences as well.

01:20:42.020 --> 01:20:46.720
<v Sam>But in the end, like, like you, like you said, it boils down to,

01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:52.940
<v Sam>if you don't like the laws in a country, then maybe don't do business in that country.

01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:59.760
<v Sam>But if you are going to do business in that country, you're kind of forced to follow their laws.

01:21:00.250 --> 01:21:00.720
<v Ivan>Yeah, basically.

01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.040
<v Sam>It's part of the deal. And whether you like them or not, you can lobby to change the laws.

01:21:05.400 --> 01:21:12.440
<v Sam>You can say it should be something else and work in whatever way that country has to change laws.

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:17.060
<v Sam>But if you are blatantly going to do something against the laws of the country

01:21:17.060 --> 01:21:20.060
<v Sam>after multiple warnings that apparently happened in this case,

01:21:20.060 --> 01:21:24.540
<v Sam>as in Brazil, then in the end, the country is going to do something.

01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.620
<v Sam>And in this case, unlike Brazil shut down X, France did not shut...

01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:32.600
<v Sam>Yeah, basically. Shut down Telegram. They arrested the CEO instead.

01:21:33.580 --> 01:21:38.420
<v Ivan>I mean, Elon actually said the other day when he saw about this whole thing

01:21:38.420 --> 01:21:46.460
<v Ivan>that maybe he's going to have to curtail some travel because he's afraid of legal repercussions.

01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:53.700
<v Sam>I'm sorry. Like, you know, I would not shed tears over Elon getting arrested somewhere.

01:21:54.180 --> 01:21:55.660
<v Ivan>No, not really, no.

01:21:56.380 --> 01:22:00.300
<v Sam>Yeah. Go ahead and make that trip to Brazil, Elon. Yes.

01:22:00.480 --> 01:22:05.360
<v Ivan>Yeah, I'm sure that'll go fine. I actually had a boss deported from Brazil.

01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:11.400
<v Ivan>I had a boss that arrived that did not have the proper papers,

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:17.260
<v Ivan>a VP at HP, and he basically was not allowed to enter and was summarily deported.

01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:20.740
<v Sam>Beautiful. That's what you want to see happen.

01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:21.320
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Sam>Okay, one more.

01:22:24.160 --> 01:22:26.460
<v Ivan>One more, one more.

01:22:26.460 --> 01:22:26.900
<v Sam>One more.

01:22:27.100 --> 01:22:31.240
<v Ivan>One more, one more, one more thing. The stranded astronauts.

01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.240
<v Ivan>Well, they're going to be stranded longer, and they're sending the ship back.

01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:41.280
<v Sam>NASA officially made the decision.

01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:43.900
<v Sam>We talked about how this might be possible, but it's now official.

01:22:44.260 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Sam>They are not going to let the astronauts go back to Earth on the Boeing capsule

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:54.380
<v Sam>because they don't think it's safe. At least they don't feel it's safe.

01:22:54.380 --> 01:22:59.100
<v Ivan>Here's the one thing. Now, I will say this. I don't think, actually,

01:22:59.200 --> 01:23:01.480
<v Ivan>I don't think that it's because they don't think it's safe.

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:08.880
<v Ivan>I actually don't think that. I think that in the, if this was, if they hadn't lost two.

01:23:08.940 --> 01:23:12.080
<v Sam>If they hadn't lost two space shuttles, they'd be sending them down on that.

01:23:12.360 --> 01:23:16.840
<v Ivan>Exactly. If they hadn't lost two space shuttles and Boeing isn't being raped

01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:23.620
<v Ivan>over the cold through all the fuck ups they have done the last decade on quality and,

01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:27.780
<v Ivan>you know, design and shit or whatever, they might be coming back on that ship.

01:23:27.780 --> 01:23:32.340
<v Ivan>But the brand new Boeing CEO that came in, but I was reading this,

01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:36.900
<v Ivan>the brand new Boeing CEO that came in, got on the phone with Bill Nelson.

01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:38.380
<v Ivan>They looked at their wrist.

01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:39.020
<v Sam>From NASA.

01:23:39.340 --> 01:23:43.400
<v Ivan>From NASA. And this guy basically is like, you know what?

01:23:43.460 --> 01:23:46.740
<v Ivan>The first act that I'm going to do as CEO is not bring down,

01:23:46.900 --> 01:23:48.620
<v Ivan>not go kill two astronauts.

01:23:49.320 --> 01:23:53.580
<v Ivan>Screw this. Send the capsule back and bring it back somewhere else.

01:23:53.820 --> 01:23:56.560
<v Ivan>Okay? Even if the chance was less than 1%.

01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:01.140
<v Sam>Well, I mean, and this is the fundamental thing. Like the NASA folks explicitly said,

01:24:01.380 --> 01:24:07.720
<v Sam>look, we have learned over the course of mistakes we have made in the past with

01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:12.580
<v Sam>Challenger and Columbia that basically there were, in those two occasions,

01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:17.600
<v Sam>there were engineers who raised red flags and they were ignored.

01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:18.280
<v Ivan>Ignored.

01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:20.120
<v Sam>And then people died.

01:24:20.120 --> 01:24:25.560
<v Ivan>And here's the thing. You have a solution. Okay? You have a choice.

01:24:26.900 --> 01:24:28.520
<v Ivan>You don't have to bear the risk.

01:24:29.390 --> 01:24:33.710
<v Ivan>It may not look good, but you don't have to take the risk. You've got another

01:24:33.710 --> 01:24:34.550
<v Ivan>way of bringing them back.

01:24:35.210 --> 01:24:39.010
<v Sam>Right. Now, they have to wait until, like, February or something.

01:24:39.990 --> 01:24:44.330
<v Sam>They were supposed to be there eight days. They're going to be there eight months. But, you know.

01:24:44.790 --> 01:24:48.010
<v Ivan>I mean, shit. I mean, I'm sure they're astronauts.

01:24:48.350 --> 01:24:53.010
<v Ivan>I'm sure that from, you know, unexpectedly long stay at the ISS,

01:24:53.090 --> 01:24:56.530
<v Ivan>but also at the same time as being astronauts, it's like, well, shit.

01:24:57.090 --> 01:24:59.370
<v Sam>I get to stay at the ISS? for.

01:24:59.370 --> 01:25:00.910
<v Ivan>Eight months and.

01:25:00.910 --> 01:25:05.550
<v Sam>They will find useful things to do they will get to like participate and like

01:25:05.550 --> 01:25:11.130
<v Sam>yes i mean i'm sure they didn't plan to spend this time away from their families

01:25:11.130 --> 01:25:16.630
<v Sam>etc blah blah blah but you know better than getting in the capsule and burning

01:25:16.630 --> 01:25:19.530
<v Sam>up and re-entry i hope they filed taxes and.

01:25:19.530 --> 01:25:21.190
<v Ivan>Shit they didn't have an extension due.

01:25:21.190 --> 01:25:25.930
<v Sam>Well so someone i was interacting with on mastodon asked about whether they could vote.

01:25:26.210 --> 01:25:29.490
<v Sam>And so here's what I could find so far.

01:25:29.710 --> 01:25:30.010
<v Ivan>Shit.

01:25:30.370 --> 01:25:35.310
<v Sam>There are mechanisms in place for astronauts to vote from the ISS.

01:25:35.810 --> 01:25:36.370
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:25:36.470 --> 01:25:42.670
<v Sam>However, the standard procedure for that is you have to sign up for it before you leave.

01:25:43.510 --> 01:25:48.610
<v Ivan>Well, fuck. What? And we got to strand these guys in space.

01:25:49.590 --> 01:25:52.790
<v Sam>So I was like, I'm sure they'll figure out some way around it.

01:25:52.790 --> 01:25:56.250
<v Sam>But apparently like there's some federal form that you're supposed to fill in

01:25:56.250 --> 01:25:59.130
<v Sam>and, and like most astronauts are based out of Texas.

01:25:59.270 --> 01:26:05.210
<v Sam>So Texas, like a couple of decades ago, passed a specific set of laws for how

01:26:05.210 --> 01:26:06.710
<v Sam>astronauts should vote.

01:26:06.930 --> 01:26:12.230
<v Sam>And they, they built specific mechanisms for how the ballots get transmitted

01:26:12.230 --> 01:26:17.150
<v Sam>to the space station securely and how the results get transmitted back securely

01:26:17.150 --> 01:26:18.610
<v Sam>and all of this kind of stuff.

01:26:18.610 --> 01:26:22.890
<v Sam>but they have to fill out some fucking form before they leave.

01:26:25.650 --> 01:26:30.170
<v Sam>And apparently I don't, I haven't confirmed whether these two astronauts are based in Texas.

01:26:30.210 --> 01:26:35.690
<v Sam>Like most are, if they're not based in Texas, it depends on your local laws, wherever you are based.

01:26:36.490 --> 01:26:39.910
<v Sam>But, but I'm sure they'll work out something for them.

01:26:39.950 --> 01:26:46.290
<v Sam>They'll figure probably, but, but yeah, so, so Boeing's really happy about all this.

01:26:46.430 --> 01:26:51.310
<v Sam>And, but yeah, like, look, You're right. I mean, NASA, this is,

01:26:51.310 --> 01:26:54.390
<v Sam>if NASA had picked anything else, like,

01:26:55.150 --> 01:27:00.010
<v Sam>it's no way i mean maybe they get lucky and everybody i mean get lucky there's

01:27:00.010 --> 01:27:04.570
<v Sam>probably a 95 chance everything would actually be what i read is even higher

01:27:04.570 --> 01:27:06.130
<v Sam>than that it was like probably closer.

01:27:06.130 --> 01:27:08.030
<v Ivan>It was higher than that but.

01:27:08.030 --> 01:27:10.090
<v Sam>It's probably yeah 99 yes.

01:27:10.090 --> 01:27:15.550
<v Ivan>It was probably 99 but you know they were like man no no let's not you know no.

01:27:15.550 --> 01:27:21.170
<v Sam>Yeah why take the chance if you don't have to exactly You know, and so,

01:27:21.350 --> 01:27:28.370
<v Sam>but, you know, didn't I hear there's yet another like Boeing quality issue about

01:27:28.370 --> 01:27:31.510
<v Sam>like the 777s or something? I don't know.

01:27:31.650 --> 01:27:35.990
<v Ivan>Well, no, okay, not a quality issue.

01:27:36.070 --> 01:27:42.510
<v Ivan>What they discovered was normal during, you know, flight testing in the 777X.

01:27:42.510 --> 01:27:45.850
<v Ivan>that they'd, you know, unfortunately this is something that is,

01:27:45.950 --> 01:27:50.330
<v Ivan>the kind of things they discovered during testing was that certain certain,

01:27:50.690 --> 01:27:53.570
<v Ivan>I don't remember what the name of the part is.

01:27:54.010 --> 01:27:58.710
<v Ivan>The support structure laid to the engine towards the wing, and I'm not sure

01:27:58.710 --> 01:28:02.470
<v Ivan>if it's the pylon or something, but they discovered that they all had been fracturing.

01:28:03.830 --> 01:28:08.250
<v Ivan>And so they're not sure if it's a fabrication defect, a design defect, or so forth.

01:28:08.490 --> 01:28:14.750
<v Ivan>But they discovered that, and so obviously they're trying to get the 777X certified

01:28:14.750 --> 01:28:19.950
<v Ivan>to begin deliveries soon.

01:28:21.230 --> 01:28:24.250
<v Ivan>And the plan has right now been delayed already four plus years.

01:28:24.870 --> 01:28:29.170
<v Ivan>And so this is a big setback for them that they discovered this on the 777X.

01:28:29.730 --> 01:28:33.510
<v Ivan>But yeah, I mean, it was something that they discovered during...

01:28:33.510 --> 01:28:38.010
<v Sam>Well, it's better discovering it during testing than after.

01:28:38.010 --> 01:28:41.770
<v Ivan>It was not during production. It was whatever. This is the flight search and

01:28:41.770 --> 01:28:43.170
<v Ivan>testing and they were going through the parts.

01:28:43.210 --> 01:28:46.990
<v Sam>But the point is, Boeing has been having a tough time recently.

01:28:47.670 --> 01:28:48.930
<v Ivan>A very tough time.

01:28:49.670 --> 01:28:53.170
<v Sam>Very tough time. I mean, they got a new CEO.

01:28:53.370 --> 01:28:53.810
<v Ivan>Like you said.

01:28:53.990 --> 01:28:55.050
<v Sam>They'll turn it all around.

01:28:55.090 --> 01:29:01.230
<v Ivan>Here is what I will say. I was looking at going through my re-watching all the

01:29:01.230 --> 01:29:07.910
<v Ivan>seasons of Air Disaster, starting with season one and going through like season 14 right now.

01:29:08.110 --> 01:29:12.730
<v Ivan>Let me tell you something. Airbus had a really bad streak for a while L2 of this ship.

01:29:12.930 --> 01:29:17.950
<v Ivan>It had a really bad streak of stuff.

01:29:18.250 --> 01:29:25.950
<v Ivan>And so one of the things that I could see that was the most pervasive was and

01:29:25.950 --> 01:29:29.650
<v Ivan>Boeing had been later to implementing a,

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:36.040
<v Ivan>More computerized, you know, less direct control of flights,

01:29:36.280 --> 01:29:40.500
<v Ivan>whereas Airbus use a side stick to transmit a computer commands.

01:29:41.080 --> 01:29:47.000
<v Ivan>The side sticks in the new Airbus aircraft aren't connected one to the other.

01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:51.960
<v Ivan>So you can have like inputs that are differing inputs and the damn airplane

01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.220
<v Ivan>will average them out, which I find is idiotic.

01:29:54.500 --> 01:29:58.520
<v Ivan>Makes no sense. Once, you know, on a Boeing aircraft, you know,

01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:02.900
<v Ivan>you both are pushing, you know that if you're both pushing forward or back and

01:30:02.900 --> 01:30:04.700
<v Ivan>the other pilot knows that.

01:30:04.980 --> 01:30:09.900
<v Ivan>And Boeing has been later to add like computerized things to do certain things,

01:30:10.080 --> 01:30:13.020
<v Ivan>like what happened with the 737 MAX.

01:30:13.020 --> 01:30:15.980
<v Ivan>but man i saw so many accidents

01:30:15.980 --> 01:30:18.860
<v Ivan>lately on airbus where they had added

01:30:18.860 --> 01:30:22.500
<v Ivan>those features over the last eight years and it caused a crash on

01:30:22.500 --> 01:30:26.040
<v Ivan>a320s a330s the a300

01:30:26.040 --> 01:30:28.920
<v Ivan>i mean there was one specific i

01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.780
<v Ivan>was just reading about the a390s it's one of the first ones

01:30:31.780 --> 01:30:34.540
<v Ivan>fly by wire that it was like the pilots hit

01:30:34.540 --> 01:30:38.500
<v Ivan>the take off and go around button and they said

01:30:38.500 --> 01:30:41.520
<v Ivan>it where the fucking pilot couldn't overwrite it and so

01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.680
<v Ivan>the pilots are pushing forward the goddamn stick on

01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.960
<v Ivan>the plane on landing the plane's nose will not fucking

01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.680
<v Ivan>go down and they just stalled right near the fucking

01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:56.840
<v Ivan>runway and by the way oh yeah there's a software update that didn't put in and

01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:06.700
<v Ivan>i'm like oh for god's sakes you know so boeing had really not done a lot of

01:31:06.700 --> 01:31:09.520
<v Ivan>that kind of stuff that their airplanes Lange's Insult recently.

01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:14.860
<v Ivan>And so I think that they're now, I mean, they've had this issue with.

01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:19.660
<v Ivan>With that, but also the other problems have been fabric, you know,

01:31:19.660 --> 01:31:20.700
<v Ivan>manufacturing problems.

01:31:20.820 --> 01:31:27.620
<v Ivan>And that is an issue which is more specific to Boeing because they decided over

01:31:27.620 --> 01:31:30.260
<v Ivan>the last decade plus to change the way they made their planes.

01:31:30.360 --> 01:31:35.380
<v Ivan>And it's really caused them a lot of problems because they've decided to contract

01:31:35.380 --> 01:31:37.800
<v Ivan>substantial pieces to a whole bunch of other manufacturers.

01:31:38.240 --> 01:31:45.080
<v Ivan>And so their entire control of their supply chain is not the same way it was as before.

01:31:45.080 --> 01:31:50.180
<v Ivan>and and that's well hell they they had to one of the companies they spun off

01:31:50.180 --> 01:31:54.160
<v Ivan>for this they had to buy it back so.

01:31:54.160 --> 01:32:00.040
<v Sam>Right anyway so okay so basically i think we.

01:32:00.040 --> 01:32:00.900
<v Ivan>Need to i need to.

01:32:00.900 --> 01:32:04.360
<v Sam>I think we're done you need you need to go to sleep you need to catch your plane

01:32:04.360 --> 01:32:11.660
<v Sam>in the morning need to continue your recovery okay i i will mention one one

01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:15.940
<v Sam>quick thing on polls one quick Just on how fast they're coming in.

01:32:15.980 --> 01:32:19.220
<v Sam>Since we have been recording the show, not only since we've been recording the

01:32:19.220 --> 01:32:23.920
<v Sam>show, since we talked about polls earlier in the show, there have been two new

01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.640
<v Sam>polls, one in Texas and one in Minnesota, that have been released.

01:32:28.620 --> 01:32:33.760
<v Ivan>Minnesota matters, Texas, I mean, or less surprising, the data in Texas.

01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:38.040
<v Sam>Yeah, well, no, it's not surprising. It's as Trump ahead by eight.

01:32:38.180 --> 01:32:40.620
<v Sam>So neither one of these are surprising.

01:32:40.620 --> 01:32:44.180
<v Sam>They're both in line with roughly where the states are already.

01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:47.920
<v Sam>So it's not going to change anything big, but there are two new polls just in

01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.320
<v Sam>the last couple hours since we've been talking that, you know,

01:32:51.320 --> 01:32:56.680
<v Sam>I'll probably put in after we're done, but yeah, because the polls are happening hot and heavy.

01:32:56.820 --> 01:33:02.000
<v Sam>It's going to get more and more as we get closer, but like, it's getting to

01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:06.280
<v Sam>the point where, you know, it's a substantial time commitment for me now each

01:33:06.280 --> 01:33:08.020
<v Sam>week to put in these things.

01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:12.600
<v Sam>And of course, like, you know, I'm occasionally asked, you know,

01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:18.160
<v Sam>you could just like build something that ties into FiveThirtyEight's API and

01:33:18.160 --> 01:33:19.720
<v Sam>just pulls all their polls automatically.

01:33:20.100 --> 01:33:27.260
<v Sam>And I do not do that. I manually enter polls because I make slightly different

01:33:27.260 --> 01:33:28.460
<v Sam>decisions than FiveThirtyEight.

01:33:28.460 --> 01:33:34.740
<v Sam>I use them as my main source, and then I also check with the Hill decision desk

01:33:34.740 --> 01:33:39.860
<v Sam>poll information because sometimes decision desk has something that FiveThirtyEight

01:33:39.860 --> 01:33:41.380
<v Sam>rejects for whatever reason.

01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:45.400
<v Sam>So I look at different places and I determine differently which versions of

01:33:45.400 --> 01:33:46.600
<v Sam>the polls to include, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:46.740 --> 01:33:49.920
<v Sam>So I do it manually, but it ends up taking a lot of time. Anyway, we're done.

01:33:50.240 --> 01:33:54.100
<v Sam>You can all go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:33:55.100 --> 01:33:58.780
<v Sam>It now has the link to our YouTube. is now on the website.

01:33:59.020 --> 01:34:04.600
<v Sam>So if you want to see the YouTube versions of this, someone subscribed last week.

01:34:05.200 --> 01:34:06.720
<v Ivan>Whoa! There you go.

01:34:07.200 --> 01:34:14.340
<v Sam>We now have two subscribers to the YouTube channel. Me and somebody else.

01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.920
<v Sam>What was their... It's probably a bot.

01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:24.300
<v Sam>They had a name. It actually came up with a name. I forget how to get to it now, so oh well.

01:34:25.060 --> 01:34:29.240
<v Sam>But yeah, we're not going to look now. Anyway, there was a person...

01:34:29.240 --> 01:34:31.080
<v Sam>Anyway, you can get there.

01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.860
<v Sam>You can watch it. Nobody's been watching live today. Oh, well, you missed out.

01:34:36.500 --> 01:34:38.900
<v Sam>You could see how sick Yvonne looks.

01:34:39.240 --> 01:34:41.300
<v Ivan>God, Jesus. I look awful.

01:34:43.740 --> 01:34:47.660
<v Ivan>Yvonne does not look great. I look a disaster. I look a fucking disaster.

01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:54.640
<v Sam>Anyway, we'll let Yvonne go. On the website, you can also find all the ways to contact us.

01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.700
<v Sam>You can find the archive of our shows, transcripts for recent shows,

01:34:58.900 --> 01:35:00.480
<v Sam>all of that kind of fun stuff.

01:35:00.480 --> 01:35:03.200
<v Sam>and of course a link to our patreon where you

01:35:03.200 --> 01:35:07.640
<v Sam>can give us cash money and various levels on the patreon we will mention you

01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:10.660
<v Sam>on the show we will ring a bell we will send you a postcard we will send you

01:35:10.660 --> 01:35:14.380
<v Sam>i was gonna say a book we don't send people books we could send people books

01:35:14.380 --> 01:35:21.300
<v Sam>i don't know what book we'd send you but we could no but our mug you know i mean.

01:35:21.300 --> 01:35:22.240
<v Ivan>I don't know a.

01:35:22.240 --> 01:35:24.420
<v Sam>Book of transcripts of the show.

01:35:25.060 --> 01:35:32.540
<v Ivan>There's the whole script. Wow. Jesus. Yes. There you go.

01:35:32.580 --> 01:35:39.160
<v Sam>We will self-publish all the transcripts since I started including transcripts

01:35:39.160 --> 01:35:41.500
<v Sam>and self-publish it into a book.

01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.820
<v Sam>We can get both Yvonne and I to sign it and send it to you. There you go.

01:35:45.120 --> 01:35:45.900
<v Ivan>There you go.

01:35:46.700 --> 01:35:52.360
<v Sam>I'll be cheap. If you want that instead of a mug, just let us know. We'll take care of it.

01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:56.640
<v Ivan>Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Okay. Yeah.

01:35:59.410 --> 01:36:02.670
<v Sam>I'm sure that will be extremely valuable as a collector's item.

01:36:04.390 --> 01:36:07.350
<v Sam>Anyway, at $2 a month or more. Yes, yes.

01:36:07.810 --> 01:36:09.210
<v Ivan>No, no, no, go, go, go, go, go.

01:36:09.210 --> 01:36:16.270
<v Sam>At $2 a month or more, or if you just contact us in any of the ways on the website

01:36:16.270 --> 01:36:20.610
<v Sam>and ask, we will invite you to the Commerciants Corner Slack where Yvonne and

01:36:20.610 --> 01:36:23.890
<v Sam>I and a bunch of listeners are chatting and sharing links throughout the week.

01:36:24.350 --> 01:36:26.890
<v Sam>So Yvonne, anything to highlight from the Slack?

01:36:27.750 --> 01:36:34.610
<v Ivan>Bank employees found dead in her cubicle four days after last clocking in.

01:36:35.130 --> 01:36:39.350
<v Ivan>A Wells Fargo employee in Arizona was discovered dead in her cubicle last week,

01:36:39.370 --> 01:36:41.810
<v Ivan>four days after she was last seen clocking into the office.

01:36:42.370 --> 01:36:46.150
<v Ivan>Security at the Wells Fargo branch located in the 1100 block of West Washington

01:36:46.150 --> 01:36:49.830
<v Ivan>Street contacted the Plembe Police Department after 60-year-old Denise Prudhomme

01:36:49.830 --> 01:36:52.470
<v Ivan>was found dead in her cubicle Tuesday, August 20th.

01:36:52.510 --> 01:36:56.450
<v Ivan>Prudhomme had last scanned into work Friday, August 16th at around 7 a.m.

01:36:56.890 --> 01:36:59.830
<v Ivan>and never checked out. Police reported that Prudhomme was found on the third

01:36:59.830 --> 01:37:02.130
<v Ivan>floor of the building in a cubicle that was not in a main hallway.

01:37:02.350 --> 01:37:03.830
<v Ivan>There's no immediate sign of foul play.

01:37:04.350 --> 01:37:07.930
<v Ivan>An anonymous employee told KPNX that co-workers had noticed a foul odor,

01:37:08.070 --> 01:37:09.830
<v Ivan>but assumed it was related to a plumbing issue.

01:37:10.370 --> 01:37:13.210
<v Ivan>Prudhomme's body was eventually discovered by another employee passing by.

01:37:13.730 --> 01:37:17.590
<v Ivan>So how's all that employee interaction at the office, huh, Sam?

01:37:18.210 --> 01:37:22.450
<v Sam>Yeah, that's what I said. Now, of course, like, I made a stupid joke about this

01:37:22.450 --> 01:37:26.910
<v Sam>in terms of like, Like, you know, forcing people back into the office for all

01:37:26.910 --> 01:37:30.150
<v Sam>the interactions, but yet somebody died and was not found for four days.

01:37:30.150 --> 01:37:31.190
<v Ivan>They've been found for four days!

01:37:31.950 --> 01:37:34.550
<v Sam>But at the same, I mean, this is an awful story.

01:37:35.230 --> 01:37:38.410
<v Ivan>It's an awful story! I mean, I'm really tired of it for a second,

01:37:38.470 --> 01:37:41.510
<v Ivan>but also, no, but it's a good point. I'm like, fuck.

01:37:41.810 --> 01:37:45.550
<v Ivan>I mean, these people didn't notice that their co-worker is dead for four fucking days!

01:37:46.590 --> 01:37:49.530
<v Ivan>I mean, what the hell? Wasn't there a cleaning crew there that night?

01:37:50.390 --> 01:37:51.090
<v Sam>Apparently not.

01:37:52.200 --> 01:37:55.720
<v Ivan>There had to be around them.

01:37:55.780 --> 01:37:56.560
<v Sam>I don't know.

01:37:57.100 --> 01:38:00.980
<v Ivan>Well, it's really look really, they look really focused.

01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.560
<v Sam>Well, it sounds like they weren't on a main hallway or something.

01:38:04.660 --> 01:38:09.600
<v Sam>They were off in a corner and they just didn't go. Maybe they even saw like

01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:12.180
<v Sam>the person there and we're like, Oh, we don't, we don't want to disturb them.

01:38:12.260 --> 01:38:15.120
<v Ivan>I will say this. And you talk about what I want to say. Have you been,

01:38:15.120 --> 01:38:18.560
<v Ivan>you would element about this is poor lady. I guess you have anybody that Mr.

01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:24.480
<v Sam>I don't know. Like maybe, Maybe, I imagine if there was a family,

01:38:24.540 --> 01:38:29.380
<v Sam>maybe they were, they didn't know, like they called and it would take a few days to do that.

01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:34.180
<v Ivan>Sam, well, what do you mean a few days? If you didn't come back from the office.

01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:39.300
<v Sam>Okay. Yeah, I think my wife would notice within a couple hours.

01:38:39.620 --> 01:38:42.240
<v Sam>Where's Sam? Shouldn't he be home by now? Exactly.

01:38:42.340 --> 01:38:44.300
<v Ivan>Where the fuck are you? but.

01:38:44.300 --> 01:38:48.100
<v Sam>Like if I lived alone it might take a while before.

01:38:48.100 --> 01:38:56.120
<v Ivan>Like my mom or my sister or something but that was my point the pressing aspect

01:38:56.120 --> 01:39:01.200
<v Ivan>of that that I was saying is that they didn't have anybody that even noticed she was,

01:39:02.570 --> 01:39:04.530
<v Ivan>That's right, though. Yeah. Anyway.

01:39:05.750 --> 01:39:09.250
<v Sam>Okay. Well, on that cheery note. Yay.

01:39:11.870 --> 01:39:17.310
<v Sam>Yes. I feel sorry for her and her family, and probably her co-workers are feeling

01:39:17.310 --> 01:39:18.890
<v Sam>a little guilty, too, at this point.

01:39:18.930 --> 01:39:20.730
<v Ivan>Oh, God. They better be fuckers.

01:39:21.510 --> 01:39:26.630
<v Sam>Yeah. Anyway, thanks, everybody, for joining us for yet another Curmudgeon's Corner.

01:39:27.170 --> 01:39:31.870
<v Sam>And hopefully we will be back next week, and Yvonne will be feeling a lot better.

01:39:32.650 --> 01:39:40.410
<v Ivan>Speaking of next week oh god i'm gonna be in vegas okay oh for god's sake well

01:39:40.410 --> 01:39:42.550
<v Ivan>i don't know what the hell we're gonna do but okay we'll.

01:39:42.550 --> 01:39:46.730
<v Sam>We'll figure that out so maybe we'll have yvonne maybe we won't ah who the hell

01:39:46.730 --> 01:39:55.050
<v Sam>knows but yeah and don't don't do what i did and gamble the entire 75 cents you have to your name and.

01:39:55.050 --> 01:39:58.030
<v Ivan>The good news is

01:39:58.030 --> 01:40:02.530
<v Ivan>i'm going on the company dime so therefore i'm not the company

01:40:02.530 --> 01:40:06.870
<v Ivan>is giving me an award for how much i sold last year and part of it is a trip

01:40:06.870 --> 01:40:12.930
<v Ivan>to vegas for for the don't don't gamble your award well i can't gamble my award

01:40:12.930 --> 01:40:17.870
<v Ivan>part of it was in you know the the you know the the type that the companies

01:40:17.870 --> 01:40:22.330
<v Ivan>give like the earned technology so i it's not invested yet ah.

01:40:22.330 --> 01:40:27.070
<v Sam>Right okay well do you get it like a little plaque or something, at least?

01:40:27.150 --> 01:40:28.790
<v Ivan>I probably will, yes.

01:40:29.270 --> 01:40:32.150
<v Sam>Well, don't gamble that. Don't gamble the plaque.

01:40:32.770 --> 01:40:36.250
<v Ivan>I'll go to the... I'm staying at the win on course.

01:40:37.090 --> 01:40:40.030
<v Ivan>It's expensive wood's there. I'm going to go to the table. I'm going to put

01:40:40.030 --> 01:40:42.490
<v Ivan>the plaque down. Okay. All of it on eight.

01:40:44.650 --> 01:40:46.990
<v Sam>But if you win, you get more plaques.

01:40:47.270 --> 01:40:48.750
<v Ivan>I get more plaques, yes.

01:40:49.150 --> 01:40:52.870
<v Sam>There you go. Okay, we're done. We are so done. Bye, everyone.

01:40:52.870 --> 01:40:56.170
<v Sam>one. We'll talk to you next week, or at least I will. We'll see.

01:40:56.610 --> 01:41:00.010
<v Sam>I don't know. Whatever. Something. Bye. Later.

01:41:00.730 --> 01:41:01.510
<v Ivan>Bye. Bye-bye.

01:41:31.150 --> 01:41:36.790
<v Sam>Thank you. Okay, Yvonne, sleep, feel better, get home. I'm hitting stop.

