Sam: Okey dokey sorry about the delay can you hear me.
Ivan: I can hear you.
Sam: Okay good good good good good good good good good okay hold on let's get hold
Sam: on one minute we don't have video yet,
Sam: my my internet is sucking right now hold on oh Oh, it was just my internet being stupid.
Ivan: My internet is being stupid. Here's a new song.
Ivan: We will make a doobity. Bill, the bubble.
Ivan: The bubble. The bubble. The bubble.
Ivan: The bubble. The bubble.
Sam: Very. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Sam: Come on. Come on. Stop being a little circle loadie thing. and actually do something.
Ivan: Come on, I'm tired. What's wrong? I'm really tired. I'm tired. Show on the road.
Sam: There's a road? There's a road? Oh my God, there's a road.
Ivan: There's a road. Roads.
Ivan: Roads.
Sam: Where we're going, we don't need roads.
Ivan: That's for sure.
Sam: Uh let me click one thing from here just to make sure
Sam: because that's stupid looks like things are going but it's my internet is like
Sam: dying but you know i guess if it's working it's working uh let's try this yeah
Sam: it looks fine on here it's just it's just my computer and it's just safari Safari to be specific.
Ivan: Like, well, then we'll Safari and open it again.
Sam: Oh, that's an idea.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Cause like we're talking in Chrome and Chrome's working fine. See if this fixes it.
Sam: Yes, it did. Well, you are so smart, Yvonne. You, you, you, it's, it's amazing.
Sam: Okay. I, in that case, uh, shall we go?
Ivan: Yep.
Sam: Here comes. Yes.
Sam: Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for August 24th. That's Saturday, August 24th, 2024.
Sam: It is just before 3 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Minter,
Sam: Yvonne Bo is here. Hello, Yvonne.
Ivan: Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. I'm here. Hello.
Ivan: Hello. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. You know, we don't have the same production values as a DNC.
Ivan: We have about the same production values, I think, as the RNC.
Ivan: Actually, I think our production values may be a little bit better than the
Ivan: RNC. I think we're probably more entertaining than the RNC was.
Ivan: The RNC, let's see you look at it again.
Sam: Everybody, consider the rules and the quorum as you announce the votes for your state.
Ivan: I mean you must be.
Sam: Quiet so that people can hear you properly am i doing it.
Ivan: Right you did great yes
Ivan: if we have more entertainment value and production value than these guys i mean
Ivan: i realize that you know we we didn't have a convention in 2020 so now we got
Ivan: one in 2024 I think there was a lot of pent-up energy for a Democratic convention.
Ivan: Not so much for a Republican one, it seemed.
Sam: Well, and I think, like, I guess we're jumping right into it.
Sam: We're going to do a but first, and then we'll do, like, newsy stuff afterwards.
Sam: But jumping right into the convention stuff, I guess, you know?
Ivan: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not talking about the newsy stuff about the convention.
Ivan: I'm just talking about, you know, the production values. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sam: But that is kind of newsy. Because I think, like, I also think that even though
Sam: they only had a few weeks...
Sam: I'm very, very sure the Harris campaign put a distinct stamp on this,
Sam: not just in terms of the speakers and stuff, but in terms of the tone it was going to take.
Sam: I don't know. Would the Biden folks really have gone for that musical roll call of the states?
Ivan: I don't know.
Sam: Well, here's the thing.
Ivan: Well, I will say this. I would think that probably maybe the staff was up to it.
Ivan: But maybe Biden was like, nah, let's do something a little bit more,
Ivan: you know, by tradition. Biden, yeah, exactly.
Ivan: You know, because it's Joe. You know, that's not, you know, I love Joe, but, you know, Joe.
Ivan: There was a different energy. There was a different energy.
Sam: And I think they leaned into it across the board. word it was intentionally
Sam: very youthful in a way that if biden had tried to do it i don't know that it
Sam: would have pulled it off the same way.
Ivan: No no no and that's i think and it's probably the right call i don't think it
Ivan: would have worked for joe it's you know it's a different candidate right but
Ivan: anyway going not jumping into that going back to my first.
Sam: But you know.
Ivan: You know i did i got two Two things on my butt first, like right now. Okay.
Sam: Oh, excellent.
Ivan: First one's pretty short.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: One thing is, last week, right before I, I mean, not right before, on Saturday.
Ivan: Okay. I'm going on a business trip Monday, Saturday.
Ivan: I went to wipe my glasses clean and I broke one of the lenses.
Sam: Oh, that's like popped it out of the frame or like cracked.
Ivan: No, no, no, no, no. It cracked. Okay.
Sam: How exactly were you cleaning your glasses? With a hammer?
Ivan: No, like normal. No, no, no. There had been...
Ivan: So I use these frameless glasses that are just really held by a little wire.
Sam: The ones I'm wearing are the same way.
Ivan: No, no, no. There's no wires in them. These are not in.
Ivan: Okay? The ones that I typically use have no wires at all.
Ivan: the lenses only held in the middle it's only
Ivan: held actually from both sides on the
Ivan: frame and of course i'm showing this to salmon you guys can't see
Ivan: it i'm sorry it's on both sides to through two
Ivan: little tiny holes and then there are two tiny holes in the middle that hold
Ivan: the the the nose thingies you know okay that's it nothing else okay it's it's
Ivan: completely completely frameless and I had noticed for a while that there had
Ivan: been like a hairline crack,
Ivan: developing on one of the lenses where they had punched a hole where the little
Ivan: thing that goes on the nose what the hell is it?
Ivan: I don't know what the hell that thing is called the nose thingy the little.
Sam: Pads are you talking.
Ivan: The little pads? yeah where the little pads are held yeah so the nose pads yeah
Ivan: exactly so I noticed there was a hairline crack developing,
Ivan: And I'm like, you know, well, it's a little crack, but you can't really see it.
Ivan: And then all of a sudden I went to wipe my glasses and I bumped that and the
Ivan: piece of lens towards the edge there just broke off. It just broke.
Ivan: So, okay. I have my spare glasses because I had made a pair of spare glasses when I went there.
Sam: I go to grab the bear what i what i have going is i always keep the previous
Sam: pair as a spare and like well what happened was.
Ivan: That i normally did that what happened was that my prescription changed enough.
Sam: That you wanted my previous i.
Ivan: Wanted them both with the same.
Sam: Yeah and so mine usually don't change like the last time so that like yeah the
Sam: current pair is better but if If I had to flip to the older pair, it would be okay.
Ivan: No, the last time, the prescription change was enough that it was really annoying
Ivan: to not have a separate spare pair.
Ivan: So I went and I had that pair made.
Ivan: And so I went to grab it. I went to grab it.
Ivan: And this one pair, which is very similar to the one I'm wearing right now, it's not this one.
Ivan: Because these are only used to be on the computer, okay?
Ivan: See the distance. And so once you're, you, Sam is seeing on the thing,
Ivan: I have a pair, I have a set of glasses that I use only in the computer. Okay.
Sam: I do too. Um, I got that for the first time a couple of years ago and yeah, I use it all the time now.
Ivan: Yeah. And, um, yeah. And so I went and I'm like, I want to grab it.
Ivan: And I had barely used them since I got, I got them. I only used them for a few days.
Ivan: The little, the little nylon string, it snapped on those two on one of them.
Ivan: And I'm like, oh, come on.
Ivan: You have to be kidding me. I mean, and so actually the lens was still kind of
Ivan: being held there. But if you went and accidentally touched,
Ivan: Tugged at it a little bit too much, it would pop off.
Sam: Okay?
Ivan: So I am like, what the fuck am I doing?
Ivan: So first thing I did is my flight was in the afternoon on Monday.
Ivan: So I dropped off Manu at school. I checked out what time the store where I got
Ivan: my glasses done is open, which was 9 a.m.
Ivan: The store is like less than a mile and a half from my house.
Ivan: So I just went, I just dropped them off.
Ivan: Went straight there, and I said, okay, two big problems. This one's broken.
Ivan: That was my spare. And oh, by the way, this one broke.
Ivan: Thankfully, they said, well, we can fix this one with a nylon string.
Ivan: No problem. Boom. And so they went and they five minutes and they fixed that one.
Ivan: So they were able to give me those back immediately. So that was good.
Ivan: And then the other ones, actually, they looked at the warranty and they looked at what happened.
Ivan: And they definitely said, oh, yeah, this is not your fault.
Ivan: And they said, no, we'll, we'll, we'll make new lenses for you.
Ivan: We'll have them ready for you. And we'll call you. You know, the last.
Sam: The last time I got new glasses, uh, I think it was the last time like I got
Sam: them, I brought them home.
Sam: And then like a few days to a week later, there was a little chip in the corner
Sam: right next to the nose. And I'm like, what the hell?
Sam: And so like, like you, you, I called him up and they were like,
Sam: well, it's clearly literally under warranty, you've been gone like a week.
Sam: So I gave him back. I went back to my spares, the older pair and,
Sam: you know, waited for the new ones to come in. I got the new pair.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: About a week later, same damn thing again.
Ivan: Oh, what the hell?
Sam: And I took him back, waited for a new pair, got it back. Few days later, same damn thing again.
Ivan: Oh God.
Sam: They got it right on the fourth try. Like, I don't know what was wrong.
Ivan: That the other ones, those had been problematic as well.
Ivan: The thing is that the little thing that held the nose in, it's supposed to be
Ivan: glued in there or whatever. It kept popping out.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: They have to fix it several times. And I think that's partly what caused that lens to crack.
Ivan: But they had to reinsert that in there several times. times and so that's why
Ivan: i think they weren't they weren't arguing about it they were like no no it's so whatever you're.
Sam: All set you're all set.
Ivan: Well i i have i don't well i have i'm using the spares which is fine i'm waiting
Ivan: for the other one to come i'm waiting for the other ones but i have you know
Ivan: i have those and you know i don't i don't think i'll break those right now,
Ivan: i'm not one that i mean i think that's only like,
Ivan: I don't know why the hell I like these frameless ones. I, the last time I broke
Ivan: a pair, it was exactly like these.
Ivan: It was, uh, it was a different brand, but, but I, I, I broke them similar.
Ivan: I mean, they broke in a similar way, but I mean, those are the only two glasses
Ivan: I've, I think I've ever broken. Yeah.
Sam: So like the, the main pair I have and like my spares are identical.
Sam: Like I got the same frame, you know, they're, they're, they're rimless,
Sam: but with the little nylon cord, like that you're not like the pure room.
Sam: but the the main thing about the frames
Sam: themselves is they're like out of one of these like really
Sam: flexible bendy materials that's kind of well the frame themselves are super
Sam: tough yeah the ones that i got i mean i i picked this specifically so like i
Sam: could roll on top of this thing and while i'm in my sleep i could step on them
Sam: whatever and they'd be fine so look.
Ivan: I that The frames themselves.
Sam: And I've done all those.
Ivan: On the other ones are very tougher for a different reason. They're made out of titanium.
Ivan: Okay. They're stupidly expensive.
Ivan: I mean, I will freely admit that when I went, I bought them.
Ivan: I did not look at the price.
Sam: Okay. Of course not.
Ivan: And when they rang them up.
Sam: And you're like, what?
Ivan: I wasn't, what? but i was a little bit like whoa that's that's that's a lot
Ivan: of money they were like they were like close to two thousand dollars yeah okay
Ivan: like uh and my and it's not because i have complex lenses it's the frames yeah.
Sam: Well the frames are.
Ivan: Well i it was the frame was like fifteen hundred dollars and literally and it
Ivan: and it and it's made out of titanium now but here's the one thing yeah Look,
Ivan: those frames don't break.
Ivan: Listen, the thing you're talking about, that frame...
Ivan: It won't break. And those, that's the one feature about it. Yeah,
Ivan: they won't break, but yeah, they're.
Sam: Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Ivan: It was an eye-watering price. Listen, I freely admit, I would not,
Ivan: listen, if they had had the price tag on there, I am sure I would have picked something else.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Now, what I will say is after owning those for a while, and I've had those frames
Ivan: that I actually replaced.
Ivan: listen those are so expensive that when i got my prescription yes
Ivan: i kept the fucking frames because they
Ivan: were that expensive that i will i will freely admit that the
Ivan: one thing about those classes specifically that is a really cool
Ivan: thing is that they feel like you're not really wearing anything you don't notice
Ivan: them at all it's and and that is a sensation i'm like i've had all these other
Ivan: glasses where you always constantly feel like something here whatever and with
Ivan: those glasses You literally feel like you have nothing on your face.
Ivan: And that's the one thing that I realized that I'm like, okay,
Ivan: I really like this and I will withstand issues with them.
Ivan: So, you know, but yeah, but if I, I will freely admit that if I,
Ivan: if they had to price things on them, I'm like, eh, do you have something else
Ivan: that looks like this, but it's not, you know?
Sam: Yeah. Yeah. No, I I'll say like my, my, my tastes aren't quite as expensive as yours.
Sam: Mine are less than half the cost of yours, but like they, they were to me,
Sam: they were still, still price on the pricey end, but most of my cost,
Sam: like, okay, my, my, I like my frames.
Sam: my frames are decent they're like bendy they're tough
Sam: they're very light like you know ones you're talking about although not
Sam: quite as fancy but i i still i
Sam: go for all of the options on the lenses like i
Sam: i like max out the lenses everything yeah like
Sam: i i get every single option that they
Sam: offer on the lenses themselves especially like
Sam: i mean there's like anti-scratch coatings and stuff like
Sam: that but also the the big one that i've had ever since
Sam: i'm a teenager the the darkening kind yeah yeah
Sam: yeah and i hate those i don't get that and that's expensive and
Sam: that's expensive i cannot live without those like the the ones i i switched
Sam: to while we were recording that are my computer glasses don't have that because
Sam: they're computer glasses they're for inside and a couple of times i've accidentally
Sam: done something like go walk the dog wearing these you.
Ivan: Realize whoa what happened What the.
Sam: Hell is wrong with this world? I know. Everything's so damn bright.
Sam: I can't stand it. My eyes hurt.
Ivan: Everything's so bright and it's blurry because they're not meant for you to
Ivan: look at a distance anyway.
Ivan: So the world is bright and blurry at the same time. It's like a terrible combination.
Sam: Yeah, yeah.
Ivan: But look, listen, the one thing that I will say also that I recall why I didn't
Ivan: bitch as much to pay for that is that I had made a mistake.
Ivan: i forgot about the fact that i had made a mistake in my
Ivan: health plan and i had wound up accidentally putting 2500 in a spending account
Ivan: oh that you had that could only be used for no yeah but it was only for glasses
Ivan: right right and and and i think it was glasses and dental things and i'm like,
Ivan: It was near the end of the year, and I'm like realizing, and I went and I said,
Ivan: I'm going to get expensive lenses.
Ivan: Now, I didn't realize it at that point. I thought, whoa, I really went, Jesus.
Ivan: But I probably may have gone and said, no, no, no, find me some of the lenses.
Ivan: But I realized, fuck, I put $2,500 in the stupid spending accounts,
Ivan: use it or lose it, and I got to use it on fucking glasses.
Sam: Yeah. Now, the other thing I've done, like I have, like you,
Sam: I've reused the same frames. Like I have the, I have two pairs of identical frames.
Sam: One has my previous prescription. One has my current prescription.
Sam: But when, and for the last couple cycles now, whenever I get a new one,
Sam: I'm just like, put the new lenses in my old spares.
Ivan: In my old, right.
Sam: And then, so I have the same two actual frames that I've kept for several glasses cycles now. So.
Ivan: No, I get that. So, okay. So enough about the glasses. There's another thing.
Sam: Oh, there's one more thing. Oh, my.
Ivan: Yes, there's one more thing. Look, I have to admit that I have been obsessing
Ivan: over details and news about this yacht that had Mike Lynch that sank and put Mediterranean.
Sam: Okay. Now, I have followed this only very slightly. Like, I have not looked at the details.
Sam: I know that it happened. I know that a few people died.
Ivan: I know look there's multiple angles why
Ivan: i am obsessing about this okay it's
Ivan: it aside i i probably would be obsessing
Ivan: over it and i and i can tell you that the one
Ivan: youtuber that i follow that does yacht news it has been obsessing over it as
Ivan: well and i probably i would have been regardless of the angle that it was mike
Ivan: lynch who was the owner of the yacht okay and so mike Mike Lynch was the guy
Ivan: that was the CEO of Autonomy.
Ivan: Autonomy was a software company that Hewlett Packard bought.
Ivan: Sometime in the early 2010s, okay, that later on, because of a massive write-off
Ivan: that they had to do due to the acquisition of this thing,
Ivan: I basically had been, I had passed all interviews.
Ivan: This was about to receive a job offer to return to Hewlett Packard.
Sam: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Ivan: Sometime in May of 2012. And what happened was that that month they had announced
Ivan: a massive write-down from the acquisition.
Ivan: I'm pretty sure this was one of the reasons, the massive write-down due to this
Ivan: acquisition because of alleged financial fraud by Mike Lynch.
Ivan: And the offer was not tendered.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: So I did not go back to HP because of this guy, basically, who later on was
Ivan: accused of fraud criminally.
Ivan: He was arrested and extradited to the U.S.
Ivan: He was pretty much thinking that he was not going to win the case,
Ivan: and he wound up getting acquitted recently.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Him and his CFO. somehow the
Ivan: week before this accident happened
Ivan: where his yacht sank and he died his cfo was i think in a some kind of accident
Ivan: where he he died so that was his co-defendant died about a week or two ago oh
Ivan: then he was anchored on his yacht which was a very
Ivan: large yacht, okay, over 200 feet, is one of the biggest.
Ivan: The only sailing yacht that has exceeded that one in size is Jeff Bezos' new sailing yacht. Okay?
Ivan: Just to give you an idea how expensive it is.
Sam: Is that the one they had to dismantle the bridge to get it out?
Ivan: Yes, correct. Well, they didn't wind up dismantling the bridge.
Ivan: They did something else because everybody was pissed off about dismantling the bridge.
Ivan: Yes. But anyway, wait so this one is was is basically second largest to that
Ivan: one as a sailing yacht okay the second highest mast a freak storm during the
Ivan: night hit them while they were at an anchor okay.
Ivan: Now, look, I've been hit by freak storms. Other yachts were hit by freak storms.
Ivan: This yacht should have sustained this.
Ivan: Shouldn't have. But in less than 15 minutes, the yacht went down and six people
Ivan: died. There were 20 people on board.
Ivan: The ones that died look like they were the ones that were in the master staterooms and cabins.
Ivan: the master stateroom was the one furthest inward in town and then there was
Ivan: another cabin where his attorney and his wife were sleeping his daughter was
Ivan: there I understood like it was the guys that died were Mike Lynch his wife survived
Ivan: most of the crew survived except the chef.
Ivan: His lawyer and his wife his daughter died was 18,
Ivan: yeah and they found their bodies the bodies were inside the yacht they actually
Ivan: divers went down and recovered the bodies were about 100 feet deep around there,
Ivan: where it happened but it was really
Ivan: just there wasn't a sailing vessel that
Ivan: was very large it was anchored like very nearby and and they
Ivan: you know they just they were like stunned they're the ones that picked up all
Ivan: the rescued all the people that were in it they were uh they found them in a
Ivan: life raft now usually you know a ship boat of that size and even not not that
Ivan: size i've I've had one of these on a couple of boats I've had.
Ivan: They have these canisters that are up front.
Ivan: They sense that you're underwater and they will self-deploy,
Ivan: okay, in order for you to be able to get on there and be rescued.
Ivan: Okay, so it seems that the people that were in the main cabins were ones that,
Ivan: Got stuck inside. Right. And they had to be rescued. So it was.
Sam: So basically it was laid out so that these were interior rooms that you couldn't
Sam: get. You couldn't get straight to the outside from these rooms.
Sam: You had to go like some route.
Ivan: You could. Well, it was a longer. It was.
Ivan: Well, they're probably. They do it usually. Actually, they have emergency hatches,
Ivan: but they are not the ones nearest to the main entrances, okay?
Ivan: And the reality is they're saying that the boat was like either might have capsized
Ivan: temporarily or shipped or been listing heavily.
Ivan: If it capsized temporarily, even though they found it at the bottom of the sea
Ivan: on its side, but that doesn't mean anything.
Ivan: It means it could have rolled, okay? You know, look, you're sleeping,
Ivan: boat goes upside down, you're in the water, don't know where the fuck you need
Ivan: to go. Right. How to get out. Okay.
Ivan: You know, it, it, it, and I, and it.
Sam: And, and frankly, if you were sound asleep when it happened,
Sam: by the time you were fully awake, it might be too late anyway. way.
Ivan: And that's the thing, and I'm like, you know, on our Slack, I'm mentioning that
Ivan: the crew probably may have wanted to, would have gotten people ready because
Ivan: a storm was approaching.
Ivan: And look, it seems, look, the crew survived.
Ivan: The crew had to, listen, the crew must have known that something was up.
Ivan: And they were up, and they were up and out of the cabins, which is why they
Ivan: were able to be rescued. Okay.
Ivan: And I guess the owner's wife.
Ivan: Also survived and and i gotta guess it's because
Ivan: if there's a storm and stuff it's like
Ivan: going like that even in a in a yacht that big you're you're
Ivan: probably all of a sudden going hey what the
Ivan: heck is going on let me let me go check and
Ivan: and i i have a i have i have anchored
Ivan: where it's turned into bad weather okay and
Ivan: i will say that me as the person responsible
Ivan: for the other people sleeping on on the
Ivan: boat i will say that the the other
Ivan: people everybody was sleeping soundly no problem but i couldn't
Ivan: sleep because i was just like
Ivan: look winds are strong i don't we're anchored i don't want this anchor to drag
Ivan: wind up into rocks or something i don't know i i i was just i really could not
Ivan: sleep until the weather died down okay and and i'm sure that that's what happened
Ivan: with But the crew, the crew were like,
Ivan: OK, look, there's bad weather. I got to go check it out now.
Ivan: You know, I'm going to guess that the owner being how big and how a reputation
Ivan: for a seaworthy yacht this was probably may have been like, eh, whatever.
Ivan: We'll be fine. You know, no problem.
Ivan: You know, the crew will take care of it. OK, so he probably wasn't thinking
Ivan: that that was going to be a problem.
Ivan: You may have been overly confident. And I can't blame him for being overly confident,
Ivan: given the reputation for that boat.
Ivan: And so a lot of people have been trying to figure out what happened.
Ivan: There's been a whole bunch of rumors and speculation.
Ivan: One thing is the crew hasn't spoken, other than about five words from the captain
Ivan: that basically said he didn't see it coming. He didn't see it coming.
Ivan: But I don't know. I, I just, they're both boats have especially larger boats
Ivan: have like airplanes have ADS B,
Ivan: which is like flight, what flight radar 24 uses in order to track positions
Ivan: of positions of ships, of aircraft.
Ivan: There is some, there is a similar system for, for larger vessels, which is AIS. Okay.
Ivan: And, you know, they, they had AIS and the AIS data showed, that definitely their
Ivan: anchor must have been dragging.
Ivan: The wind got whipped up so big, so what happens is you put the anchor down and
Ivan: the anchor goes in and it's stuffed in the usually sandy bottom.
Ivan: And usually anchors hold pretty well, but a wind that stiff,
Ivan: it was making the anchor drag.
Ivan: It wasn't being able to hold the ship in place.
Ivan: The other vessel that was nearby had started their
Ivan: engines in order to be able to
Ivan: stop that effect and you
Ivan: know it was a sailboat even a small they all have
Ivan: engines now there's that big engines on it they have engines but i yeah i it's
Ivan: just one of these things where it's i mean i've you know i don't know i remember
Ivan: but you know i had you at an anchorage you know overnight when you visited okay
Ivan: you know it's It's not something that's abnormal to do,
Ivan: to go out and find a nice, safe anchorage and sleep overnight.
Ivan: And I've done that many times in my life.
Ivan: And I've been experienced at it. It's why I was able to take you guys to do that.
Ivan: Because, I mean, I know where to find a safe spot, how to drop the anchor, and how to monitor it.
Ivan: And, you know, it's like, why, when I, and I, I usually, I will admit that being
Ivan: the one, whenever I've had other people, whenever I've had people period on the boat and it's my,
Ivan: you know, and I'm the one that brought them out.
Ivan: I'm, I'm usually, I will freely admit that I am.
Ivan: Way more cautious than probably anybody else where I'm just making sure for
Ivan: everybody's safety that that that that, you know, nothing's happening.
Ivan: So if I if there is bad weather, I won't sleep.
Ivan: I mean, I will not, you know, I won't sleep. I won't drink. I want anything
Ivan: until we are back on safe harbor.
Ivan: I that's that's my thing. And I, it's just that I found it just so stunning
Ivan: that the vessel, you know, there was some surveillance video to show the ship there.
Ivan: And it was just right out there in the anchorage. Then all of a sudden in a flash disappeared.
Ivan: And you're like, wow.
Ivan: So, so anyway, so I've been obsessed by that because I, you know,
Ivan: as I maybe mentioned, I like boats.
Ivan: And so, and it's just my thing. So I just, I, I just been, well,
Ivan: it's just the fact that understand that I, this guy is the reason why I did
Ivan: not go back to work at HP in 2012.
Ivan: Okay. I mean, talk about the, I mean, this, this, you know, this guy,
Ivan: this thing, the sale or whatever.
Ivan: And when that right off happened, it's why I never went back to work at Hewlett
Ivan: Packard, which is probably maybe a good, which is probably a good thing. by the way.
Ivan: So, okay. So probably one reason I had more interest in this story.
Ivan: So anyway, so that's it. That's all I had for.
Sam: Given, given how long it's taken to be there. Do you want a movie from me or shall we just move on?
Sam: I can, the movie will save for next week.
Ivan: What movie is it?
Sam: The second Jurassic park movie.
Ivan: I know I want to listen to this.
Sam: You will listen to this. Okay. Yes. It is the lost world. World,
Sam: Jurassic Park from 1997.
Ivan: 97, okay. Yeah.
Sam: I'll start out. It's a thought.
Ivan: I'm not even sure if, I don't even sure. Wait, I was going to say,
Ivan: I'm not even sure if I watched it.
Sam: Okay. Now, we've all seen the first one.
Ivan: Of course. Yes, yes, yes. The first one, yeah, of course. Yes.
Ivan: But I'm not sure if I watched this one.
Sam: This is one where, as I was watching it, I recognized bits and pieces of it.
Sam: because I realized, I'm pretty sure what had happened was that my wife and my
Sam: son had watched it at some point in the last few years and I'd been like in and out of the room.
Sam: So little bits and pieces of it were familiar, but the whole thing was not.
Sam: I had definitely never seen this whole thing from beginning to end before.
Sam: And I'll tell you, in getting ready for this episode, and, you know, I was like,
Sam: Okay. The summary of the movie. What, what, what happened in this movie?
Sam: And like the, the timing of this, let's see, I, I watched this in March, March.
Sam: I could not for the life of me. Remember the plot of the damn movie.
Sam: Other than of course it contained dinosaurs.
Sam: I, I, I've brought up the Wikipedia page and reminded myself, but before I did that.
Ivan: I don't, I remember. Okay. Okay, obviously, not very memorable movie.
Ivan: I don't remember it. I just did exactly. I pulled up the Wikipedia page.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: And I'm reading it, and I'm like, I don't remember any of this shit.
Sam: Right. But maybe you never saw it. Because you said you weren't sure if you'd ever seen it.
Ivan: It's possible.
Sam: But, like, I had seen it in March, and I did not remember the plot points. Like, maybe if you...
Ivan: Obviously not very memorable.
Sam: No. No, I mean, and look, I'm giving it a thumb sideways. It wasn't bad.
Sam: You know, I've said before, I reserved the thumbs down for truly awful movies.
Sam: This was not that. And when I, when I read the description, I now remember the
Sam: bits of it and it was fine.
Sam: It was, it was an entertaining couple of hours. It was okay.
Sam: It just wasn't anything like super special.
Ivan: I am pretty sure that I probably watched at least parts of it.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Because there's only one reason.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: It's a stupid reason, but it's the reason, okay?
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: So in the original movie, there were these Jeeps that they drove in.
Sam: Yes, yes.
Ivan: Mercedes had launched her first SUV.
Sam: Okay, yes.
Ivan: And they had done a product placement for this in the thing.
Ivan: In this movie that we're talking about. In this movie, yes. Yes.
Ivan: And that's why I remember, because I remember that I saw the stupid cars in
Ivan: the movie that they did as a product placement to promote the launch of their first light.
Ivan: Well, I will say it's their second SUV because they always had an SUV,
Ivan: but it's kind of like a military vehicle kind of a thing. It wasn't. Okay.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: So, so yeah. And they never sold it in the U S but it was the first SUV they sold in the U S. Okay.
Ivan: And, and I, and, and yeah, so that's the reason why, but man,
Ivan: I don't remember any of the details.
Ivan: This movie was Matt must've been really mediocre.
Sam: Yeah. I mean, the thing is it was like, it was clearly just trying to build
Sam: off the success of the first one.
Sam: now apparently like the first one this was
Sam: also based on michael crichton novel um so
Sam: like there was work i i
Sam: mean it i was gonna say it's not like completely like they
Sam: were just flailing about for something they still had something they
Sam: were basing it off of but you know it was it's just sort of like okay yeah you
Sam: you made a lot of money off a dinosaur movie so you decided to make another
Sam: one i mean you know and yeah and i guess there's a whole bunch more after this one,
Sam: which yeah it's what i just said to the next level and the level after that
Sam: and the level after that because i mean yeah at a certain point you're you're no longer the.
Ivan: Last one was two years ago.
Sam: Yeah i mean like at a certain point like
Sam: the first one oh okay this is creative this is
Sam: new this is different we haven't seen this in quite this form before although
Sam: there had been movies with dinosaurs before but you know but like all of this
Sam: seems godzilla well godzilla but like yeah king kong had dinosaurs you know
Sam: god dinosaurs yeah wait king.
Ivan: Kong had dinosaurs.
Sam: Yes yes what do you mean the original king kong when they went they they found
Sam: the island where they found king kong they also found dinosaurs on that island.
Ivan: I don't remember that.
Sam: I went you know well.
Ivan: I don't i don't i i don't know well you mean the first one that's all right
Ivan: well you mean the first one you mean the black and white first one.
Sam: Yeah the ones from the 1930s yeah i.
Ivan: Don't i'm pretty sure i did not watch that.
Sam: So i watched the one that's like a remake the remake in the 70s i will tell
Sam: you because i i remember exactly when this happened when we did the swearing
Sam: back in 1939 when we did the swearing supercut of curmudgeon's corner like on
Sam: the episode that i took that
Sam: supercut of, I reviewed the original King Kong.
Sam: Because one of the swears I said in there was something along the lines of,
Sam: If you go to an island and find fucking dinosaurs, you don't fucking shoot them.
Ivan: That's right. I'm with you on this. Yes.
Ivan: Sound like, you know, I remember the one.
Ivan: I mean, the one that was later, were they on some kind of oil super tanker or something?
Ivan: And then they brought King Kong to the US. And of course, in the other one,
Ivan: he climbed like the World Trade Center.
Ivan: Yeah. Now on the other one, the old one, 1930s.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: It was on the Empire State, I think.
Sam: Yes, correct. Now, here the thing is, since you brought up bringing King Kong
Sam: to the States on the tanker, that happened in this movie, too.
Sam: That's right. In the Lost World Jurassic Park.
Ivan: I have a vague thing.
Sam: They were taking the Tyrannosaurus and they were going to start a new like Jurassic
Sam: Park theme theme park, but on the mainland,
Sam: because, of course, it had gone so well on the isolated island,
Sam: you know, and so and of course, spoilers, it escapes or it tries to escape.
Sam: I think, you know, whatever chaos ensues and that chaos ensues.
Sam: That's sort of like the final battle. always part of always part.
Ivan: Of a good movie chaos ensues.
Sam: Anyway again like i i don't remember
Sam: like i wasn't not entertained it was
Sam: entertaining enough there were you know running around there
Sam: were dinosaurs there was suspense and there
Sam: was you know the there were the the variety of
Sam: characters interacting with it some of whom got eaten by dinosaurs and some
Sam: of whom lived you know and it is is fine it is fine there are a couple places
Sam: where i was like that's not realistic but you know hey there are dinosaurs running
Sam: around so what there's dinosaurs.
Ivan: Running around so you know what the hell.
Sam: Come on,
Sam: But yeah, so it was fine. It was fine. It's a thumb sideways,
Sam: but it was clearly derivative of the first one.
Sam: I assume every other Jurassic park in this series is also incredibly derivative
Sam: and a lot of repeat stuff, even though I haven't seen them yet.
Sam: I think that's a fairly safe assumption.
Sam: And yeah, so thumb sideways is fine.
Ivan: So you're saying that the subsequent sequels yes of jurassic park you're sure they have dinosaurs i.
Sam: Think that's a safe bet.
Ivan: Look that's not always a safe bet i don't know if i i think i may have mentioned
Ivan: this at some point here where there was a thing where this is something that
Ivan: in our international business class and cardigan mellon we're talking about
Ivan: franchisees going overseas Seas.
Ivan: And that one of the guys that had taken the KFC franchise, I can't remember in what geography.
Sam: Oh, it didn't have chicken.
Ivan: They didn't have chicken!
Sam: Right, right. I think you mentioned this, yes.
Ivan: Yes. They didn't have chicken! They paid the money to sell Kentucky Fried Chicken, but not have chicken.
Sam: Well, for a while they stopped being Kentucky Fried Chicken and were just KFC.
Sam: I think they now mentioned...
Ivan: Are they back?
Sam: I think they've got... I think they admit to being Kentucky Fried Chicken,
Sam: but most of the branding is still KFC.
Ivan: I will say that I love that food, and I never eat it.
Ivan: Because it's so bad for you. It's addictive, and it's bad for me.
Sam: And so therefore, I won't do it. As we have covered on this show,
Sam: you like Popeye's even better.
Ivan: I will say I like Popeye's even better. However, I will tell you,
Ivan: confess that last week I stopped at something at Miami International Airport
Ivan: and had this southern fried chicken.
Sam: Okay. Thing.
Ivan: Yes. That was absolutely spectacular.
Ivan: Okay. And I'm trying to figure out what the hell.
Sam: There are a couple of fried chicken chains around here that like apparently
Sam: like it was like a husband wife team and then they got divorced and now they're
Sam: two chains or something. but like apparently apparently it's really good but i've never tried it i.
Ivan: Think i'm trying to see what's like a local chain.
Sam: Like just a few restaurants i.
Ivan: Think it's called spring chicken okay is that what it is spring chicken yes
Ivan: i i am pretty sure yeah i i think that is what But yes, that is what it is.
Ivan: And I will tell you those chicken tenders that they make there.
Ivan: Holy smokes. Are they good?
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: So if you got a chance to try that.
Sam: I don't think they have that around here, but now, now you've got me thinking
Sam: that this weekend I'm going to have to pick up some Popeye's or something.
Sam: I had, I had, let me tell you.
Ivan: Like yum, yum. Okay. Uh, God, no, I mean, that's like, I w I will, I'm pretty confident.
Ivan: That is the only fried chicken I've eaten all year. Yeah, man,
Ivan: but it's worth it. And by the way, here's the one thing.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: Because a couple of times that I've eaten it, hadn't sent well with my stomach, the fried chicken.
Ivan: I'm not sure what oil they use, but I will tell you that if they use a high quality oil.
Ivan: It'll and whatever the ingredients they use. Yeah, exactly.
Ivan: You know, like, you know, but basically, you know, yeah, that's the kind of
Ivan: stuff you want. You want the synthetic oil.
Ivan: You don't want the regular one. But I use that kind of, you know,
Ivan: high quality vegetable oil or probably peanut, whatever, something that's probably
Ivan: allergic to a lot of people.
Ivan: And it really makes it that it's my stomach. Well, this I was not having like
Ivan: any heartburn or anything afterwards.
Ivan: This was like delicious and it sat on my stomach very well.
Sam: Excellent. Well, you know, here's the one other thing. You know,
Sam: if people ever actually succeeded in cloning dinosaurs, like you start Jurassic Park.
Ivan: They taste like chicken?
Sam: Well, this is what I was going to say. They're not going to open a damn theme
Sam: park for you to go see it. They're going to open a restaurant.
Ivan: We're going to cook the dinosaurs.
Sam: That's right.
Ivan: The dinosaur, you know.
Sam: Kentucky Fried Pterosaur. Yeah.
Ivan: There you go.
Sam: Anyway.
Ivan: Tastes like chicken.
Sam: Tastes like chicken. One last note before we take the break.
Sam: I just want to update folks.
Sam: I mentioned last week I had COVID.
Sam: I'm still testing positive. I still have mild symptoms. It's been a freaking week now.
Sam: The symptoms never got really bad. I've mainly had a headache and really low energy.
Sam: And just in the last few days.
Ivan: Jeb!
Sam: Jeb? Oh yeah, low energy. And just in the last few days, I've started to get
Sam: a little bit of a cough, but you know, I guess like, and for the most part,
Sam: I've been like, I've been being good.
Sam: I didn't like, I haven't gone into the office where I could get anybody else sick.
Sam: They're conflicting reports about how contagious you are as far along as I am,
Sam: but I'm being safe and not being contagious to others.
Sam: I did attend one work call on Wednesday that was like a two-hour call.
Sam: And then on Friday, I called in to like a 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. meeting.
Sam: And I was actually annoyed because this is one that people had flown into town
Sam: for and was like a big in-person brainstorming kind of session and review of like things.
Sam: And I actually would have liked to have been there in person for this one.
Sam: But like, even my boss was like, you know, even if you could come in, don't.
Ivan: No, no, don't do it.
Sam: Don't do it.
Ivan: Yeah, don't do it.
Sam: Just dial it.
Ivan: Yeah. It's a fair. Yeah. Good call.
Sam: And so like, and I'll, I'll be absolutely honest here.
Sam: Like I did not contribute as much or pay attention as much as I would have if
Sam: I was there in person. I was one of only two people who were on,
Sam: who were remote instead of actually in the room.
Sam: And like, I, I chimed in a couple of times, but like for the most part, I was just listening.
Sam: And also like by like, you know, 9am to 4pm with a few breaks,
Sam: that's a long meeting anyway.
Sam: And I'm still not feeling super
Sam: great. By the time we got to the halfway point, like my mind was done.
Sam: I was just sort of like I just want to lie down again you know I don't want
Sam: to be paying attention and I did my best but like the second half I was just sort of,
Sam: kind of sort of listening and trying to keep an idea of what was going on but,
Sam: my my mind was no longer really having it it was sort of like you're kidding
Sam: me right you're still not feeling great you're trying to pay attention to something
Sam: for eight hours fuck that you know well.
Ivan: But by the way they saw the news this week new new covid boosters authorized they should be.
Sam: Oh, just in time, assholes.
Ivan: Sorry.
Sam: You know, I, you know, and now when I go in next time I see my doctor,
Sam: they're going to be like, no, you just had COVID. You want to wait for the shot anyway.
Sam: So, you know, they could have authorized the damn thing a couple of weeks ago.
Sam: And then, you know, maybe I wouldn't even got it.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: So, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm glad the symptoms never got really bad,
Sam: but it's still like this low level, you know, and like, I sound fine now.
Sam: Right. I, you know, I'm, I'm feeling okay, but it's like, you know,
Sam: if I'm up and active and doing things for half an hour, I'm just like, I'm done for a long time.
Sam: And just, it's just, and just constant sort of low grade headache and stuff,
Sam: but it could be a lot worse. I mean, of the possible COVID symptoms,
Sam: this is not bad. So anyway.
Ivan: Yeah, these are not bad. So, okay.
Sam: All right.
Ivan: Break, break.
Sam: And then we'll do like, what are we, are we doing DNC first?
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: Okay. So here's a break.
Sam: Okay, so we kind of started on this at the very beginning of the show. We had the DNC.
Ivan: We had the DNC.
Sam: We had the DNC. My wife did try to get in to go there, but did not get picked.
Sam: There were other local people that ended up ahead of her for that.
Sam: and she she by the way had had originally
Sam: decided not to try and then at
Sam: the very last minute like two weeks ago there was an extra
Sam: opening and i actually convinced her
Sam: to like come on and a couple other people were encouraging her to
Sam: to throw her out in the ring for that last spot but somebody
Sam: else got it some yeah some asshole i don't know somebody got
Sam: but but she still she she knew
Sam: lots of people that were there and were texting people who were
Sam: on the floor during the of stuff so so so
Sam: i got a few reports of like okay the washington delegation's got these like
Sam: cowboy hats you know whatever anyway yeah they were wearing like light up cowboy
Sam: hats because of course washington is known for being like a big cowboy place i guess.
Sam: Anyway whatever they i don't it was a massive party they were having fun we
Sam: started talking at the beginning of the show,
Sam: how just the mood like at the, at the DNC was just so like for all four days
Sam: of this thing, the level of excitement was just through the roof.
Sam: Now I've watched a lot of these conventions over the years.
Sam: Back in the day, I used to try to watch them gavel to gavel.
Sam: I haven't done that in a long, long time, but I've watched the major speeches
Sam: in the evening, the roll call vote, those kinds of things.
Sam: I watch part of the Republican one this time around, but not a lot of it.
Sam: But and, you know, like they're always parties.
Sam: The Trump Republican ones have been a little bit less of parties,
Sam: to be honest, than even the Republican ones in the past.
Ivan: Well, let's see. I'm trying to remember because I don't remember 2016 for either side.
Ivan: For either of them.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I do remember. Wasn't the 2021 where they still had it in person anyway,
Ivan: and that's how they managed to kill Herman Cain and a few other people?
Sam: They did a hybrid. They did part of it in person and part of it not.
Sam: They did part of the convention from the White House, which isn't technically
Sam: allowed, but they did it anyway.
Sam: way you know that 2020 was really
Sam: weird because of the pandemic on both sides the democratic one was completely
Sam: virtual the republican one was a weird hybrid and in multiple locations you
Sam: know so 2020 is not a real good comparison for anything but like in that in
Sam: in previous years i mean both I mean,
Sam: the conventions are two things.
Sam: The conventions are a massive party for people who are heavily involved with that party.
Sam: I'm using party in two ways there. Party in terms of celebration,
Sam: people getting, you know, and party as in political party.
Sam: But they're a massive party for people who are involved.
Sam: And then they're an infomercial. That is the two purposes of these,
Sam: you know, at least since they stopped mattering to pick the candidates.
Sam: Now, there was some talk that this time around on the Democratic side,
Sam: maybe this should be an actual open convention.
Sam: I'm just I'll just say right now, thank fucking God that was not what was happening here.
Ivan: We have a dodge to bullet.
Sam: Like, I mean, as much as for years and years and years, it's been like,
Sam: maybe this time we'll have like the contested convention.
Sam: Wouldn't that be so much fun? No, not this year. Thank you. No.
Sam: Like, like we, if, if that had been going on, if we truly had multiple candidates
Sam: vying for the nomination at the convention,
Sam: several of which had a real chance. Yeah.
Sam: Instead of having four days of really inspirational speeches,
Sam: we might well have had four days of ballots where just like,
Sam: you know, when the when the Republicans were trying to pick a goddamn speaker,
Sam: we might have had that at the DNC.
Sam: It would have been ridiculous.
Sam: So I am very, very glad that when Joe Biden dropped out, he immediately endorsed
Sam: Kamala Harris and that whole thought of there being anybody else died within hours.
Sam: If it had gone any other way, it would have been nuts.
Sam: Now, I suppose even if there had been an open process, they would have tried
Sam: to actually have picked somebody before the convention already started,
Sam: but it would have been a mess.
Sam: Instead, we had four days of a party that is so clearly reinvigorated, excited,
Sam: fired up in a way that they have not been for a long, long time.
Sam: I was going to say since 2016, but not even. Like, people were excited about
Sam: Hillary, but there was a lot of lingering tension with Bernie Sanders, you know?
Sam: And if you go back further, you know, 2012 was an incumbent,
Sam: so it's a whole different vibe there.
Sam: And in 2008, there was lingering tension between Obama and Hillary.
Ivan: Hillary.
Sam: Hillary, you know, so I can't even remember for sure, like the first Clinton. I don't know.
Ivan: No, like shit. That race, there was a whole bunch of problems with Clinton.
Ivan: There were all the accusations and of course against them during the campaign.
Ivan: It was, it was, I mean, there were, there was a dog fight in that, in that campaign.
Ivan: I mean, it was definitely not a slam dunk.
Sam: And in between, like, Carrie? No.
Ivan: No.
Sam: We didn't have this.
Ivan: No, we were not that. I mean, yeah, we didn't. I mean, we liked Carrie.
Ivan: We weren't that excited about Carrie.
Sam: No. And, yeah, who am I missing? There's one more, right?
Ivan: Dukakis.
Sam: No, I'm talking after. I mean, Dukakis as well, but, like.
Ivan: Gore.
Sam: Gore. Yes, Gore. Yes.
Ivan: Well, we people kept making fun of Gore because he was boring.
Sam: Yeah. Yeah.
Ivan: And I mean, he was my kind of boring. I love fucking Al Gore.
Ivan: Okay. All right. You know, he would have made.
Ivan: Look, if we had had eight years of Al Gore instead of W. Bush.
Ivan: And, you know, that stupid fucking show for all mankind did that as a fake lot timeline there.
Ivan: And they actually have his pictures hanging at NASA as the president.
Ivan: And I literally almost started crying seeing that. I'm like, you fuckers.
Sam: Yes. Well, that didn't happen.
Sam: We've gone all the way back to Mondale and Dukakis. Marcus and before that Carter,
Sam: like, I, I don't know that have any of them had this level of excitement or
Sam: on for that matter on the Republican side too.
Sam: Like, I mean, I know people were, like I said, people were excited about Hillary.
Sam: There was a lot of hype there too, but it feel there were always these other things going on.
Sam: Whereas this time I feel like it's really like Like there's this massive catharsis
Sam: going on because people were all in just a month ago, a little bit more than a month ago.
Sam: We're all in the mood to like, we're doing this death march where Biden's way
Sam: behind and maybe he can win and we're going to try, but we're going to do our best, damn it.
Sam: And that gave way to actual like excitement.
Ivan: And well, look, I will say that the difference,
Ivan: I think, boils down a little bit to what's been happening with undecided voters
Ivan: and even give all the shit that you want to.
Ivan: I shared this clip and people have been also sharing it and criticizing this
Ivan: clip of the CNN little thing that they had with the eight undecided,
Ivan: the panel with the eight undecided voters were all but one of which decided to go.
Sam: For Harris afterwards.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: Well, I think there was one or two that were still undecided.
Sam: There was one that went to Trump.
Ivan: No, there was one undecided. There was one undecided.
Sam: That stayed undecided.
Ivan: That stayed undecided. The other six went for Harris.
Ivan: And there was one guy that snuck in that apparently was a MAGA Trumper,
Ivan: but somehow snuck in saying he was undecided.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: And there is plenty of evidence to show that he was a very, very MAGA Trumper,
Ivan: that this was just bullshit.
Ivan: And I have to say.
Sam: If they'd spent 10 seconds Googling him, they would have known.
Ivan: They would have known, no, this guy's not an undecided voter. Definitely not.
Ivan: You know, and hell, I spent 10 seconds listening to him and I'm like,
Ivan: oh, fuck this. This guy's not an undecided voter. You're fucking kidding me.
Ivan: I'm like, it is so. So, but you saw how they, I mean, they were,
Ivan: they broke, like, very decisively in that way.
Ivan: And the polling data shows that we finally have gotten this situation where
Ivan: we're not getting any more of these fucking poll numbers that show, like,
Ivan: The vote for the top two leading candidates being like 88% of the total.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: Or shit like that. Now we're finally into high 90s. Okay.
Ivan: You know, it's falling.
Sam: Frank Luntz, who's a Republican leading pollster slash focus group person.
Sam: Some of his commentary, like I think it was like a week ago.
Sam: he basically said that from what he is seeing, not just polls,
Sam: but also in his focus groups,
Sam: basically what we've seen is the undecideds are all breaking to Harris and some
Sam: of the weak Trump voters are flipping to undecided.
Sam: I've also seen plenty of, plenty of analysis also Also of the double haters
Sam: that we've talked about before. Basically.
Ivan: Idiots.
Sam: Basically.
Ivan: There is. I, I, I, I, listen, those people are, uh, listen, there is one.
Ivan: I will tell you that there is one fucking guy that I know. I should have known better.
Ivan: That's a fucking double hater. I got so angry with him. I blocked them on every
Ivan: fucking, I blocked his phone.
Ivan: I blocked his Facebook. I blocked his LinkedIn. I blocked them everywhere.
Ivan: I just said, I never want to fucking speak to you again.
Sam: Okay. So the double haters, apparently that didn't like Biden or Trump,
Sam: a huge portion of them have no issue with Harris.
Sam: So a bunch of the double haters have gone off and are now Harris supporters.
Sam: So double haters are now single haters that only hate Trump because it was Biden
Sam: that they had the problem with. Well, they had a problem with Biden and Trump,
Sam: but apparently are absolutely fine with Harris.
Sam: And also, I know we're probably going to talk about RFK later,
Sam: his support had been collapsing anyway.
Sam: And he was also a parking lot, essentially, for the double haters.
Sam: And so once Biden got out, like...
Sam: They're like, oh, we like Harris. Never mind then.
Sam: So a bunch of the people who are parked with RFK left for Harris.
Sam: The ones who were left were Trump haters.
Sam: And so we started seeing in the polls, whereas previously, whether RFK took
Sam: from Biden or Trump had been slightly more from Biden than Trump.
Sam: But it seemed to vary state by state, and it was inconsistent.
Sam: Sometimes you'd get a poll one way, sometimes the other. But since Biden dropped
Sam: out, almost every poll had shown that RFK was hurting Trump more.
Sam: So anyway, and you're absolutely right, though.
Sam: Those numbers of the people who are undecided or third party are collapsing
Sam: dramatically since Harris dropped out.
Sam: No, not since Harris dropped out. That would be bad. That would be news.
Ivan: That would be news. Well, Walsh sounds good. I mean, you know, fuck, President Walsh.
Sam: Since Biden dropped out. Yeah. Right.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Anyway, but people are super excited. The convention, we had a bunch of speeches. And here's the thing.
Sam: Different people, including me and Yvonne, had different impressions of whose
Sam: speech we liked best. But the thing is, they had a variety that appealed to
Sam: a bunch of different people.
Sam: Like some people were more excited about one speech. Some people were more excited about another.
Sam: But there was a parade of really impressive people. You know, even look.
Ivan: Let's be clear about this. I don't care who the hell spoke. spoke yep there
Ivan: was one decisive mic drop moment of all of these are.
Sam: You going to talk about the dick joke.
Ivan: Yes obama had that one i mean he really really damn it i you know not used to
Ivan: seeing obama on the stump anymore, right? You know?
Ivan: And especially seeing Obama on the stump not being the candidate because...
Ivan: Obama on the stump as a candidate was you
Ivan: know i was talking about biden being a little bit more conservative probably
Ivan: been a bit a little bit reserved but now he's just a surrogate he's not he's
Ivan: not the candidate right and let's face it obama despises trump okay obama fucking despises Trump.
Ivan: And I'm with him. Okay. All right. He's my buddy on that one.
Ivan: I got your back, Obama. I mean, I'm with you. Okay.
Ivan: And so when he goes and he threw that entire line where he's saying about this
Ivan: 78 year old guy that ever since he rode down the golden escalator,
Ivan: he's been just, you know, it's been just a barrage of grievances,
Ivan: you know, about all sorts of things, name calling and then obsession with crowd sizes.
Ivan: And he did that ad thing and everybody just do what he meant with ad thing.
Ivan: And the crowd just exploded. Okay.
Ivan: All right. And not just the crowd exploded, the internet exploded because that
Ivan: right now has been such a meme for everything and anything right now on the
Ivan: internet that that was just, that was, yeah.
Ivan: And, and let's be clear about this. As many have said, the most effective tactic
Ivan: against Trump has been this.
Ivan: He was just completely flummoxed.
Ivan: He had no fucking, he tried to do a comeback, do that, and he had nothing.
Ivan: He had nothing. He came out sounding like a bumbling idiot.
Sam: Well, just in general, I mean, and I guess, you know, back in 2016,
Sam: Rubio tried this kind of crap, but just didn't do it well.
Ivan: Yeah, but Rubio's a fucking moron anyway.
Sam: I know, but during the Republican primary process, of course, is when I'm talking.
Sam: But look, the mockery, the weird stuff, the, this finally,
Sam: finally, the approach is one of tearing down and belittling Trump and the people who follow him.
Sam: rather than like making him bigger by talking about how dangerous and scary he is and.
Ivan: Doing it in a way that is the way that it is it's it's not hey you're a moron
Ivan: no you're stupid no not that way,
Ivan: the weird thing is far
Ivan: more effective than anything else because it's accurate yeah i mean you've got
Ivan: a guy you know i think the other guy was talking about this clinton was did
Ivan: his speech he sounds listen you want to talk about old clinton sounds old yeah okay bill bill clinton,
Ivan: and eddie is younger than biden and he sounds old okay all right but but you
Ivan: know clinton hit this on the head?
Ivan: The hell is this guy obsessing about fucking Hannibal Lecter, for God's sakes?
Ivan: Why? I mean, you want to talk about weird?
Ivan: It's going on the stump and praising, singing the praises of Hannibal Lecter.
Ivan: Of the late, great Hannibal Lecter, which is a fictional character that was
Ivan: not dead in the movies, but he apparently is killing for whatever the hell damn reason.
Sam: On the.
Ivan: Stump what else is weirder than that seriously so so so.
Sam: Weird is.
Ivan: Accurate and powerful at the same time.
Sam: Yeah and just real quick to to run down a few of the highlights that were good
Sam: i mean hillary clinton gave a great speech,
Sam: joe biden great gave a great speech gave a great
Sam: speech both joe's speech was really good
Sam: joe's speech was really good it was one of the best
Sam: i've ever seen him do i was i was crying by the end you know it was it was like
Sam: emotional it was it was good you know both obama's michelle and barack gave
Sam: excellent speeches i actually liked michelle's better than barack's i know I
Sam: know you like Barack better than Michelle, but like they were.
Ivan: They were both speaking of Joe, you guys say you got, I got a letter from Joe.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: I said, give a shit.
Sam: Well, you got a standard form letter for sending something to the White House. You know, exciting.
Ivan: But it's signed by Joe. I mean, for all you know.
Sam: Well, it's signed by, hey, hey, we got Christmas cards from both Kamala and
Sam: Joe because my wife's an elected official now.
Sam: And so we got Christmas cards for both of them. A nice little signature,
Sam: like the White House stationery, blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: I mean, I got White House stationery with Joe's signature. I mean,
Ivan: you know, hell. hell, I mean, it's a hell of a lot better than,
Ivan: you know, not getting anything.
Sam: That's true. That's true. I'm sure if you called up Joe, he'd be like,
Sam: oh, Yvonne, I sent you that letter.
Ivan: Yes, of course. How you doing, buddy? Well, for all we, listen, you know what?
Ivan: I know that for, you know, there's one thing that I've heard that some of them
Ivan: do look at some of the letters personally.
Ivan: For all we know, that's the one that he did look at personally.
Sam: It could be like, I don't think Donald did this,
Sam: but the last few presidents other than Donald had a thing where every week they'd
Sam: get a handful of letters randomly selected from all of those who arrived at
Sam: the White House that they would be given to read personally and potentially respond personally.
Sam: And, you know, yes, they do that. So, yeah, it was probably that,
Sam: Yvonne. It was probably that.
Ivan: I mean, well, I'm not saying it's probable, but it's possible.
Sam: It's possible. It's possible. Yeah. So, my one question, what did you write
Sam: to Joe that got this response?
Ivan: I just wanted to thank him for his service.
Sam: Nice. Okay.
Ivan: That's it. I just wrote him a note to thank him for his service.
Ivan: And that's why, you know, that was like at the beginning of the letter,
Ivan: you know, that he said that, you know, that he is, you know,
Ivan: thank you for writing to me. has been an honor of my life to serve you as your president.
Ivan: I have been blessed with the love and support of the American people and I am
Ivan: grateful to know that I have earned yours.
Sam: Very nice. Anyway, both Obamas had a great speech.
Sam: Walls had a great speech. Oh, AOC on the first night had a great speech.
Ivan: AOC had a great speech.
Sam: You know, and of course, Kamala Harris herself did excellent on the...
Ivan: I have to admit that, look, I watched a number of the speeches, but look,
Ivan: uh that i could not well there was a couple of reasons i was
Ivan: actually flying on thursday night ah right and
Ivan: i i was not able
Ivan: to watch the speech even if i really wanted to but i
Ivan: i will say that look i could not stay up i don't understand why they're playing
Ivan: well i look i know that for the west coast people obviously this was a blessing
Ivan: that it was done at this hour but for me at the the east coast those damn speeches
Ivan: were really damn late yeah i good lord especially.
Sam: On the first night they went way over but even
Sam: on the other it's like and this has happened at other conventions of course
Sam: like i mean including the famous bill clinton speech but you'd think they'd
Sam: learn by this time i mean just just start a little bit earlier yeah you guys can do it like You got.
Ivan: To target for the primetime speech to be at 9.30.
Sam: Well, I was going to say between 10 and 11, but you can't go past 11.
Ivan: You can't go past 11. It's got to end by 11. It's got to start 10, 10.30.
Sam: By 11 Eastern. And I know the convention itself was in Chicago,
Sam: which is in Central Time.
Sam: And I've heard people saying, well, you can't go too early or you lose the West Coast people.
Sam: Come on. You got to be done by 11 p.m. Eastern.
Ivan: I'm sorry i'm okay with being done by 11 30 but some of this shit went way past
Ivan: midnight and i was like holy shit i can't remember which one was the one that
Ivan: went way past midnight i'm like going fuck i can't really stay up watching this
Ivan: yeah now of course here on.
Sam: The west coast that was like you're done by 9 30 that's absolutely fine.
Ivan: I know you were no you were no you guys were no you guys are you guys are great
Ivan: no you guys are this is this is great for us yeah but.
Sam: I i as Aside from the speeches, I did want to mention, you know,
Sam: you had mentioned the weird thing.
Sam: The other thing that I think is brilliant and way overdue, I think the weird stuff is overdue too.
Sam: And I think we mentioned in the last couple of weeks, it's the Democrats reclaiming,
Sam: themselves as normal, as the center of politics.
Sam: Whereas it seemed, and I've seen some people analyze and say,
Sam: ever since the 1960s almost, the Democrats have always seemed to be in a little
Sam: bit of a defensive crouch.
Sam: Like when the Republicans accused them of being the liberal elites and blah,
Sam: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that Democrats have almost been apologetic of saying,
Sam: oh, yeah, we do believe in civil rights, but we're kind of sorry about it.
Sam: I mean, not quite, but even more recently,
Sam: it's just sort of like, whether it's gay rights or on whatever of these social
Sam: issues, It's sort of like the conservative heartland is normal.
Sam: And yes, we are deviating from that as liberals.
Sam: And they always bought into the conservative framing of that.
Sam: Whereas really, for a while now, the liberal positions on all of these culture
Sam: war issues have been in the majority.
Sam: So it's damn right it's time to stop apologizing and own that and love it and
Sam: be on the offensive with it and know the Republicans are the weirdos.
Sam: But in addition to that, the other things that the Democrats are reclaiming
Sam: this time around in a way that they may have tried to before but never really
Sam: got it to work is patriotism and freedom.
Ivan: Freedom especially freedom yes you know because this is because that's been
Ivan: the big that and yes because that has been the biggest fuck up that these guys
Ivan: you're talking about freedom these are the guys that are hate freedom the most
Ivan: they don't want people to be free to choose anything.
Sam: Right they're all about controlling behavior and if you're not.
Ivan: Doing what's.
Sam: Quote unquote quote unquote normal, you know, like 1950s conservative way is
Sam: deviant and you shouldn't be doing it and it should be illegal.
Sam: And if not illegal, then definitely shunned. And, you know, no.
Sam: And yes. And so the Democrats have been reclaiming that.
Sam: There were flags everywhere for the patriotism.
Sam: There was all kinds of places where they were calling on people to,
Sam: you know, this is the American way.
Sam: This is the, the true spirit of America, et cetera, et cetera, in ways that like.
Sam: Democrats haven't pulled off in a long time, to be honest.
Sam: The Republicans have owned the like flag waving and the jingoistic stuff.
Sam: And not that the Democrats were being super jingoistic, and that might be the
Sam: wrong word, but they've been holding the like, no, we are patriotic.
Sam: We don't hate America. America?
Sam: The Republicans have been going
Sam: on for decades about how the Democrats are un-American, unpatriotic. No.
Sam: The Democrats are pushing this time around the idea that no, these ideas,
Sam: the ideas that they're pushing are in fact the best of America and that this
Sam: is the right way to go forward for the country.
Sam: And yes, we're proud of it and blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: Well, reading from Joe's letter to me, the one line about this that's specific,
Ivan: and I'm reading it because this was part of the stump, but part of what is the
Ivan: character of what you're talking about.
Ivan: This was the message that I saw, which was America remains the most powerful
Ivan: idea, that we're all created equal and deserve to be treated equally throughout our lives.
Ivan: The idea is stronger than any of us. While we've never fully lived up to it,
Ivan: we're never walked away from it either. And I know that we will not walk away from it now.
Ivan: And I think that that's the core of like owning that freedom. What is America?
Ivan: What the heck it is? It's an idea we haven't ever achieved. No.
Ivan: But what it is, is that entire amalgam of all these people instead of a whole bunch of fucking.
Ivan: white racists sitting up there having some idiot like all colgan tear off his
Ivan: shirt and act like an asshole on stage.
Sam: Right well and one of the you know i can't remember if it was vance or one of
Sam: the project 2025 people or somebody but one of these folks that is loosely one
Sam: of these folks in the orbit of the trump campaign i can't remember which one
Sam: orbit uh orbit they found they found an,
Sam: They found an interview where they had specifically like, we're talking about
Sam: the notion, like what you just said, like, what is America?
Sam: America is the only country that is fundamentally about an idea.
Sam: It's not a, it's not a, it's not a people. It's not an ethnicity.
Sam: It's a whatever. This person, they unearthed an interview of him saying,
Sam: no, America is not an idea.
Sam: You know, America is a people, you know? The white people.
Sam: He didn't explicitly say that, but it was clearly implied.
Sam: The whole notion of it was it's not an idea.
Sam: It's about sort of traditional white male Christian culture,
Sam: Christian conservative culture specifically.
Sam: There's lots of other kinds of Christian that don't go that way.
Sam: But yeah, it's like this is key.
Sam: And I think that the Democrats are doing a really good job of reclaiming these
Sam: things and to start and going back to the weird thing to really push the idea that no,
Sam: it's these jackasses on the other side who are out of step with the reality
Sam: and the values of America today. day.
Sam: And we'll see if it works.
Sam: I mean, so far, so good over the last few weeks, but, you know,
Sam: we got a long way to go till November still, but yeah.
Sam: And, and as I talked about last week, you know, we, we Kamala Harris has sort
Sam: of surged ahead to a tie, you know, where it's, we're not yet at the position where we can say like,
Sam: oh yeah, she's got this in the bag, not even close i wish we were at that spot but not yet um.
Ivan: No it's not it's gonna be a fight it's not in the bad until the fat lady sinks
Ivan: is that still a proper slate you know is that an acceptable for say the fat lady sing i.
Sam: Don't know it sounds uh.
Ivan: It sounds.
Sam: Like body shaming to me yvonne.
Ivan: Yeah fuck so what so till the shit now i gotta look there.
Sam: There's a website that has like alternative phrases for.
Ivan: I'm actually problematic yeah i'm gonna look it up inclusive version of.
Sam: The fat lady sing.
Ivan: Yeah you know.
Sam: The only other thing, just to circle back around while you're looking that up,
Sam: is back to where we were at the beginning of the show and the energy levels.
Sam: Comparing this to the RNC, the RNC sort of dutifully did their thing.
Sam: There were people who were excited about Trump, to be clear.
Sam: But the energy levels were night and day.
Ivan: Oh, God, yes.
Sam: And the level of excitement on the democratic side and it is off the charts right now.
Sam: Will it like, will it be enough to bring things home in November?
Sam: I don't know, but right now everything's going into right direction.
Sam: The trends towards Harris and the polls have not yet stopped.
Sam: If it, you know, if you, if you look week, week over week, my tipping,
Sam: point is actually a little bit less in Harris's direction this week than last week.
Sam: But a bunch of other states kept moving in her direction anyway.
Sam: North Carolina just went to the blue side of the line for the first time.
Sam: So the trends are still overall heading towards Harris.
Sam: It's got to flatten out at some point, you'd think, but it hasn't yet.
Sam: And not to repeat conversation from last week, but Trump still hasn't figured
Sam: out how to counter this stuff.
Sam: After Harris's speech, he got on Fox news seconds later and was so rambly and incoherent.
Sam: The Fox news hosts tried to like get him off the phone as quickly as they could.
Sam: Cause he was just like going off on his usual things and not making a lot of
Sam: sense and saying things that were clearly not true.
Sam: And so they hung up on him and he immediately called Newsmax and did the same
Sam: thing he he is he has not found his stride yet and so listen.
Ivan: Here's a bigger problem.
Sam: Yeah about the stride yes he looks bad disheveled.
Ivan: Yes despondent like incoherent.
Sam: Old old.
Ivan: Really old he looks a complete shambles um.
Sam: You'd think he'd got you'd think at the very least you'd have people to fix
Sam: that up for him before he goes in public but but but he hasn't been looking great he.
Ivan: Had to look at great but it's just it's beyond that it's just how he's sounding.
Sam: He is.
Ivan: Sounding completely defeated.
Sam: Okay yes when.
Ivan: He's going out there the other day he was talking well all these These people,
Ivan: they just tell me to stick to policy and not go after them.
Ivan: Well, they're going after me.
Ivan: And I mean, who the fuck wants to listen to this shit?
Sam: Well, clearly not even his own side, because they've been telling him to stop.
Ivan: Not just that, but people keep walking out. The fucking crowd's up and thinner
Ivan: and thinner and thinner.
Ivan: So obsessed about the crowd size, I didn't realize that during the attendance
Ivan: season it wasn't even that great.
Sam: Someone posted like some pictures of one of his recent rallies where at the
Sam: beginning of his speech, you know, they pack people in directly behind him in
Sam: order for all the pictures.
Sam: While he's giving the speech, they want to look like a big crowd right behind him.
Sam: And like then there are pictures of, okay, there are people checking their phone
Sam: immediately behind them.
Sam: like the people are standing in camera view right behind him checking their
Sam: phone looking at their watch and then by the end of him talking a whole bunch
Sam: of them have left from the seats right behind him not even like the high bleachers
Sam: but like the ones who are on camera they're they're.
Ivan: Not there the people are not there they're like okay we're done with this shit.
Sam: I mean you know get me.
Ivan: The fuck out of here.
Sam: You know like i said like polling wise we've still got a neck and neck race
Sam: on a country-wide basis like it's you know but well.
Ivan: Listen sam but the swing has been.
Sam: Oh the swing has been absolutely dramatic and and and it's.
Ivan: A seven point swing right now on the 538 average i mean.
Sam: From where it was where it is yeah and and we're we're almost like last i checked
Sam: you're looking at right now.
Sam: Last I checked, it was 3.7% Harris lead, something like that.
Ivan: Yeah, so it was like a 3% the other way, like, you know, for Biden before.
Sam: Oh, it has been an absolutely huge swing. At the state level,
Sam: we've talked before, that lags a little bit, and the motion is still continuing.
Sam: Right now, I have the tipping point at...
Sam: Harris ahead by 0.7% in North Carolina now, not in Pennsylvania.
Sam: Both Pennsylvania and North Carolina are at 0.7%, but if you look at the rounding,
Sam: North Carolina's a little ahead.
Sam: So yeah, it's dramatic, but like you said, Trump is now the one that's coming across as low energy.
Sam: Trump is now the one who's coming across as addled and older and not up to the
Sam: task. you know harris is like 20 years younger almost.
Ivan: Okay i finally found a good alternative yeah okay all right after going through
Ivan: a whole bunch of them that were boring this one sounds better than the other
Ivan: ones okay okay don't count your chickens before they hatch okay yeah,
Ivan: yeah there you go that that's a good good.
Sam: One it has a slightly different tone to it but in the end it means the same thing yeah.
Ivan: Yes yes yes so okay and.
Sam: We and we don't have to talk about fat ladies.
Ivan: No no no no don't cut your chickens before they hatch okay so there you go i
Ivan: like that one there you go and.
Sam: And we would be and we can't say you know until yvonne sings because you're
Sam: saying at the beginning of the show.
Ivan: Exactly i already did so there you go yeah i mean you know yeah yeah so we started
Ivan: it yeah so that way we would have finished this already so anyway okay.
Sam: I suggest we take another break real quick and then wrap it up with a few.
Ivan: Minor things.
Sam: Back after this is.
Ivan: Okay i well since i'm going since i'm
Ivan: going to vegas in two weeks i i thought of another one that i
Ivan: i forgot don't don't don't don't spend the money until you cash in your chips
Ivan: so there you go which is you know very important that the casino people already
Ivan: are like usually at the thing oh look all this money and they're still gambling
Ivan: anyway so then all of a sudden a couple of hours later they're already upside
Ivan: down like whatever and spend everything no don't spend the money until you.
Sam: Know all every time i've ever been in an establishment that does that except
Sam: Except once I have been disciplined and I start out with one pocket with what
Sam: I want to spend for the night.
Ivan: And I.
Sam: Put my winnings in a separate pocket and.
Ivan: Never regamble a cent.
Sam: So like if I, if I'm like spending, so it's not even, I'll go until I've lost $20.
Sam: It's, it's, I have $20 and once I've gambled that $20, I'm done no matter how
Sam: much I have in my pocket or, or whatever, or whatever the amount was.
Sam: The one time I did not do that was the time I really should have. I, I, okay.
Sam: I don't, I don't, I've told this story, but it's been a long,
Sam: long time since I told the story.
Sam: So I'll mention it again. Again, this was when I was doing my random trips and
Sam: I had done a random trip to Nevada.
Sam: I, or maybe this was the one to California, but right in Northern California
Sam: next. Anyway, I ended up in Reno by the end.
Ivan: Okay. You ended up in Reno. Okay.
Sam: I think, I think this was one where I was in California and I went across the
Sam: border to Reno, whatever.
Sam: But here's the thing. I had miscalculated something. I had done something stupid, whatever.
Sam: I, I ended up when I got to Reno, which was like, I don't know, 48 hours.
Sam: I was supposed to be heading back soon, but I was out of money and I was out
Sam: of money in terms of like my, my credit cards and debit cards were all maxed out too.
Sam: Like I was, I hadn't, I had miscalculated what I was doing on the trip, whatever.
Sam: I literally had like 20 bucks left to my name in order to finish my vacation,
Sam: get to the airport and fly back to New Jersey. Okay.
Ivan: That's really, that's really tight.
Sam: Something like that. Anyway.
Ivan: So, well, I don't recall you asking me to Western Union you money,
Ivan: you know, I saw how you made it back.
Sam: I did make it back. I did not. I did not end up having to pull the Yvonne,
Sam: please help me card because I went into the casino in Reno and I had,
Sam: I remember at this point I had 75 cents.
Sam: I, I, I, I may have had, I may have had some bills.
Ivan: Wait, you were down to 75 cents?
Sam: Something like this. I was down to 75 cents.
Ivan: Okay, I don't revert to this story right now, okay? So I'm perking up, okay?
Sam: I paid a quarter in the slot machine.
Ivan: Uh-huh.
Sam: And I won 300 bucks.
Ivan: No fucking way.
Sam: Get out of here. And I'm like, okay, I'm good. I could get a hotel room for
Sam: the night. I could do whatever.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: But then I, this is the one time I broke my rule.
Sam: I got excited that I won 300 bucks on the quarter.
Sam: So I kept going and I re-gambled the 300 bucks until I was down to like 20 bucks again.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: So how did you wait? So how do you make it then?
Sam: I i believe i just drove straight to the airport and ended up catching an earlier flight home.
Ivan: Okay you know you know
Ivan: what i i will say that there's
Ivan: this one time yeah that i went to a roulette
Ivan: table and i i had my friend that
Ivan: she wanted to go with me to saint thomas yeah and
Ivan: i was like well shit i don't know i i might have
Ivan: been able to get my father to purchase a
Ivan: ticket it at the travel agency but i was like i don't
Ivan: know i don't want to just ask him for the money like that and
Ivan: so i was at roulette table the casino and i went i put twenty dollars on an
Ivan: eight to one bet i said look if we hit i'll buy you the ticket okay should be
Ivan: more than enough to cover it's only about 100 120 bucks in order to to get the
Ivan: ticket and lo and behold on the On the first shot, I hit it.
Ivan: And so I got my $160 and I wound up, but I wound up cashing out immediately
Ivan: and buying her the damn airline ticket. Okay. All right.
Sam: Yeah. No, I, I, I want enough money to pay for a hotel and a couple of meals before I had to go home.
Ivan: And you managed to piss it all away.
Sam: I pissed it all away instead.
Ivan: Well, well, but, but to be fair, you were still ahead.
Sam: Yeah. Yeah.
Ivan: I mean, if you think about it, you were still ahead. You only add 75 cents,
Ivan: net wind up with 20 bucks. It's still a pretty damn hefty return on your money.
Sam: That's true. It was enough to get me back to the airport and home, I guess. But yeah.
Sam: So anyway, no, I was going to start this segment with something that you would
Sam: put on our list, but I think is,
Sam: All of the people who are bitching at Kamala Harris to talk more about policy
Sam: and or that she has to do a sit-down interview with the press.
Sam: Why hasn't she talked to the New York Times yet or done an interview on TV?
Sam: And why hasn't she produced detailed policy papers and talked in detail about
Sam: what she was going to do on X, Y, or Z?
Sam: and i'm like if she fucking listens to you i will want to strangle her i mean
Sam: come on the and what a waste.
Ivan: Of fucking time.
Sam: She knows what she is doing she knows that stuff is idiotic like it yes nobody gives.
Ivan: Two flying fucks right now about this in terms of the electorate that That may
Ivan: be good later when you're president,
Ivan: when you're trying to push certain policies specifically and trying to target
Ivan: certain people to transmit certain messages.
Ivan: Right now, it is a complete utter waste of time.
Sam: I'd say worse than waste, worse than a waste of time, because if you come out
Sam: with a detailed policy position, all you're doing is giving something that people can attack you with.
Sam: Yes, no matter what you pick.
Ivan: They can say, oh, you see, they're going to go and do that thing.
Ivan: Hell, I think it was a mistake to start even talking about, even though,
Ivan: you know, she's been accused of saying that she was going to do price controls,
Ivan: which that's not what that's not even what she.
Ivan: I mean, that's the perfect example. Why not to do it?
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: She was talking about it's not what she said at all.
Ivan: she wasn't saying there anything about price controls what she said was that
Ivan: she wanted to expand current regulations on price gouging to make them national as many states have,
Ivan: certain rules and restrictions about that and they said that she wanted to institute
Ivan: price controls which is nowhere near what she said and it just showed the the
Ivan: fucking pitfall of doing this because they're just using it exactly like you
Ivan: said ammunition in order to start a fight about it no fuck them no no no waste
Ivan: of fucking time waste complete utter fucking time waste.
Sam: Of time would not be helpful in any way. And even the interview,
Sam: like, have you looked at like mainstream press interviews of presidential candidates and such lately?
Sam: They're, they're worthless too. They're, I mean, like those last couple interviews
Sam: of Biden, like, did they ask him about anything meaningful?
Sam: No, they just spent the whole time talking about, well, are you going to drop
Sam: out are you too old are you this are you that like there was nothing actually
Sam: valuable about those conversations and let's talk.
Ivan: About policy for one second you know tonight today there was this when was this
Ivan: this is today donald j trump talking about policy.
Sam: 11 39 a.m.
Ivan: On truth social goes and says my administration will be great for women and
Ivan: their reproductive rights,
Ivan: What the, you know.
Sam: Look here, here's the thing about policy, what people push, what policy matters.
Sam: Like we, we are, we are wonks here.
Sam: If you're listening to the show, you care about policy. You care about the details of policy.
Sam: But when we're talking a general election race for president here.
Ivan: That's not going to win.
Sam: That's not going to win. Like would people, one of the things people criticized
Sam: Biden about at the stupid debate bait that he flubbed was he started talking
Sam: about lists of policy, you know, and trying to get facts and figures out and all this kind of stuff.
Sam: No, this is about, you set a high level, this is about values,
Sam: you know, and values and culture,
Sam: you know, and this is where, you know, one of the criticism of Democrats going
Sam: back decades was that they have tried to be policy wonks and talked about the
Sam: details of this policy or that policy or whatever.
Sam: Whereas really, the Republicans understood for a while that the debate is about values.
Sam: The debate is about culture.
Sam: That's what people are making their decisions on. So you set your high-level values.
Sam: You make sure everybody knows what's important to you and what matters and character.
Sam: These are the things like if you trust somebody's character and you trust their
Sam: values, then you also trust them to work out the details of policy when the time comes.
Sam: Because the other thing is all of these policy statements that come from candidates,
Sam: not just president, but also Congress, governor, whatever, none of them survive
Sam: interaction with reality once they get into office anyway.
Sam: Because actual Actual policy is the result of politics and negotiation and what's going on at the time.
Sam: So what you need is not somebody who has the right list of policy statements.
Sam: You need someone who you trust, who shares your values, and then they'll get the details.
Ivan: Do Democrats have a platform this year?
Sam: I'm sure they do. But it's like the platforms are stupid. Well, yeah.
Ivan: I don't think the Republicans even bother with a platform this time.
Sam: They did. did it was last time they didn't this time there is one it's like all this.
Ivan: Time they did okay.
Sam: It's like a 60 page document it's called instead of project project 2025 no
Sam: no project 2025 is the heritage group the the the official trump version but.
Ivan: I probably i.
Sam: Know it's called it's called project 47 instead and and it's it's a shorter
Sam: version of the same shit basically.
Ivan: And it's the it's the it's the executive summary of Project 2025.
Sam: OK, well, and the platform is probably even separate from that.
Sam: I don't know, because the Project 47 was from the Trump campaign.
Sam: Anyway, here's the thing, like platform.
Ivan: But listen, right now, here's a problem that the Republicans.
Sam: Bob Dole was asked about the platform. I heard this quote this week.
Sam: Bob Dole, in the Republican convention the year he was the candidate,
Sam: was asked about the Republican platform, and he's like, I don't know. I didn't read it.
Ivan: Well, no, and I get that. That's fair.
Ivan: I'm not disputing that point. But the one thing that I was saying is,
Ivan: oh, yeah, Bob Dole is dead.
Ivan: Okay, just remember, yeah, he did die three years ago.
Ivan: Was it COVID? You know.
Ivan: God. i mean he was also old
Ivan: i mean it was during the year of
Ivan: covid so hold on death death
Ivan: death health death stage four
Ivan: lung cancer okay not covid not not
Ivan: covid but i mean but jesus christ he was 98 for god's sakes and we got lung
Ivan: cancer at 98 i'm not gonna blame the fucking cigarettes it's already a fucking
Ivan: 98 right you know so anyway look the republicans have a big problem anyway right
Ivan: now in terms that they don't really have a party anymore.
Sam: Right they have a call.
Ivan: And i but but it but i'm talking just beyond just the saying about whether they
Ivan: have a cult what i'm saying is trump decides say not to run trump with what
Ivan: he did has completely annihilated the entire party structure.
Sam: Oh, right. Yeah.
Ivan: Everywhere. I mean, if there is no Trump running, there is no party left behind.
Ivan: There is no- Oh.
Sam: Right. Yeah. The other thing is he has structured the RNC.
Sam: So everything's coming to him and not to, for instance, their Senate candidates
Sam: or their house candidates.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: I mean, I'm sure they're getting a little bit, but not, not the,
Sam: level of concentration they usually have you know he put his daughter-in-law
Sam: in charge of the rnc and she basically the first thing she said is yeah everything's
Sam: going to the trump campaign and and his legal fees by the way.
Ivan: And his legal fees so so yeah i mean like right now they've got this problem
Ivan: that you know look if this thing right now going sideways not not decided,
Ivan: If he loses and he decides that either he gets finally pushed out or or just
Ivan: decides to bow out or dies, they've got nothing behind that.
Ivan: What are you going to do? Run junior?
Ivan: Come on. Fucking junior, for God's sakes. I mean, he literally look, I am.
Ivan: I would bet $1,000 that he is regularly right now high on cocaine from from
Ivan: his appearance almost every time I've seen him lately.
Ivan: That guy has to be snorting cocaine nonstop.
Ivan: So what? That's what you're going to run? You're going to run Mr. Cokehead?
Ivan: Ivanka wants nothing to do with it.
Sam: Next time around, it could be Don Jr. versus Hunter.
Ivan: We're going to do a cocaine off instead of a debate? Is that what we're doing?
Ivan: Fuck. fuck you know oh unlike
Ivan: poor don you know you know don jr who has a dad who couldn't give oh did you
Ivan: see don the other day faking that he cared because he realizes that he's gotten
Ivan: so much shit about it that he that
Ivan: he would like to care for somebody in a crowd and he needed a doctor oh.
Sam: Yeah well that was donald don jr did that right.
Ivan: Yeah don don yeah yeah yeah jr yeah no No, well, I skipped it to Todd that he cared.
Ivan: Well, look, he doesn't give a fuck about any of these kids either.
Ivan: He doesn't care about anybody. He doesn't care about the kids.
Ivan: He doesn't care about the wife. He doesn't care about fucking anybody.
Ivan: It would have been really great if Melania had showed up at the DNC.
Ivan: Now, that would have been funny. But yeah, no, we didn't get that, unfortunately.
Ivan: I mean, given that she hasn't shown up anywhere, anybody know where the fuck Melania is?
Sam: Well, I think somebody, I have not verified this, so this may be complete misinformation,
Sam: but somebody I saw online, and you know how the internet is always trustworthy.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it from the right place.
Sam: Said that in Donald Trump's financial disclosures that he's required to do as
Sam: a candidate, one of the line items was paying Melania for her appearances for the campaign. yes.
Ivan: I did see that yes.
Sam: Because apparently and and like a decent a decent amount like every time she
Sam: goes somewhere in public to like actually support donald trump apparently she's
Sam: getting like 50 grand for it or something like that yeah as i mean we haven't.
Ivan: But but but okay but even jesus christ but okay well these are like the phantom
Ivan: employee stuff that we talk about uh government employees,
Ivan: I mean, when's the last time you've seen her in public? She wasn't at the RNC,
Ivan: right? And Ivanka wasn't at the RNC.
Sam: I guess she did one campaign appearance, I don't know, a month ago or something. I forget what it was.
Sam: She's done one or two. She's done a few.
Sam: But less than you would normally expect for a presidential spouse.
Ivan: But Ivanka has been a no-show. I mean, it's been Don, Eric, Tiffany.
Ivan: I mean, they're like, fuck, we're out. Okay. You know, we got,
Ivan: we want nothing to do with this shit. Nothing.
Sam: Tiffany showed up at the trial, didn't she?
Ivan: No, no.
Sam: I thought she did.
Ivan: No, I don't think so.
Sam: It was only Eric. I thought.
Ivan: Yeah, it was only Eric. Yeah, it was only Eric. Yeah. Tiffany,
Ivan: I didn't know. But she was, Tiffany was at the RNC.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I did see that. But, you know, isn't it great to get such family support when
Ivan: you're running for president?
Sam: Oh, and that's one of the things, too, by the way, and we're back to comparing the DNC, the RNC.
Sam: I mean, Waltz's family and Harris's family are all right there, all super supportive.
Sam: You know, the Waltz kids were doing rabbit ears behind his head while he was
Sam: doing an interview on TV.
Sam: um there was the whole thing about how excited his
Sam: son was and was saying that's my dad when he was doing his
Sam: acceptance speech which was awesome and even though there's some people like
Sam: giving him shit about it which assholes but they and and then like the the hair
Sam: like like the harris's step kids were there well hell her husband's ex-wife is there wife.
Ivan: Was there And.
Sam: She's completely supportive of all this. I mean, he cheated on her. They got divorced.
Sam: It was a whole thing. But like she is right there and she's posting about how
Sam: she's incredibly proud of their blended family.
Sam: She's 100 percent on board with Kamala and she'll do anything she has to help.
Sam: And she was there at the convention, too.
Sam: And it's like, can you even imagine?
Sam: Like, I mean, Donald Trump's current wife won't even show up, let alone his ex.
Ivan: Right, you have to pay her to show up for God's sake.
Ivan: Well, we got how many days for this fucking thing?
Sam: I will refresh and give you the current number. Hold on.
Sam: And I'm going to election graphs for this, which, by the way,
Sam: since I'm going here anyway, I will mention that I did a new blog post since
Sam: last week's show on August 19th.
Sam: I posted 79 days out, Harris surges to a tie.
Sam: Go to electiongraphs.com and
Sam: hit the blog tab in the navigation and read that if you haven't already.
Sam: Harris's position has actually improved a little bit since then still.
Sam: But no, as of when we are recording, 73.8 days left until the first polls close
Sam: and we start getting election results.
Sam: But I should say, not the first polls close. The first state is closed completely.
Sam: We'll get Dixville Notch about 24 hours before that. But yeah.
Ivan: I would really, really, really, really love to switch to the British format of this thing.
Sam: Where the candidates have to stand up on stage with all the crazy candidates
Sam: as well and listen to the votes being read out in real time a couple hours after it closes.
Ivan: Well, that part too, but also the short campaign part.
Sam: Oh, okay. Yeah, no, the short campaign, okay. And we're kind of getting that
Sam: in a way because of how late Harris is.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but still.
Sam: But no, the thing I love is the MPs standing on stage together when they hear
Sam: the official results like read out.
Sam: None of this results dribbling out over the course of the night and then the
Sam: next week, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: No, the official results, final counts,
Sam: read out in front of the candidates on stage, in public, so you see their reactions
Sam: live, and the major candidates have to sit there right next to Lord Buckethead
Sam: and all of those assholes. Yeah.
Sam: you know you.
Ivan: Know there is a certain thing about the
Ivan: way that we also do it like in puerto rico that they had
Ivan: this primary in like may for governor okay
Ivan: and the current governor lost okay
Ivan: to he was running for re-election he lost you
Ivan: know the seat to somebody from his party so the
Ivan: this other person is going to be
Ivan: the party's candidate the one thing is they have
Ivan: been organizing to have this party right okay you know you know how you're running
Ivan: the campaign and you have these like media you know you rent the ballroom or
Ivan: the place where you go to have the party whatever you know that has the the
Ivan: place where the guy that thinks is going to win loses,
Ivan: party that has to be the most shittiest fucking place to be at and in elections
Ivan: you know when But you're like there, you're all like at this ballroom and the
Ivan: results come in and you're like,
Ivan: oh, fuck, we lost.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: Yeah. Yeah. That has to be. Yeah. And I saw somebody taking some pictures of
Ivan: this as they were trying to organize the party for this Canada,
Ivan: Puerto Rico, and they realized that they lost.
Ivan: And I think they were expecting that they were going to win.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: And they had a good reason to see that they were going to win.
Ivan: And then they saw they lost and they were like, oh shit, that was, that was a glum place.
Sam: Well, yeah, I'm immediately remembering, you know, what was supposed to be Clinton's victory party.
Sam: You know, they, they were all talking about like the big, the big ballroom they'd done.
Sam: And there was, they'd done it at some place that had a glass ceiling so they
Sam: could do sort of a fake version of the glass ceiling breaking and all this kind
Sam: of stuff. and then they all just had to go home.
Ivan: Oh, fuck. Yeah, that night was brutal, I have to say.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I remember that night.
Sam: Yeah. We really should wrap it up, but I can't let it go without saying RFK
Sam: dropped out and endorsed Trump.
Sam: We talked earlier about how he was pretty much irrelevant anyway, but.
Ivan: Well, that's pretty much why we left it for now, because he is that fucking irrelevant.
Ivan: All I said was that the way they should have done it was that the woman,
Ivan: the one that shot the dog,
Ivan: she should have been there shooting the dog that then, you know,
Ivan: RFK8 in front of everybody at that Republican event.
Ivan: that would have been made it perfect.
Sam: Yeah well there there are a couple things for first of all there was talk they
Sam: they were both in arizona so there was talk that rfk would actually show up
Sam: on stage with trump at a trump event later in the day that did not happen oh
Sam: that didn't happen i don't because.
Ivan: I kept seeing pictures of of of like supposedly him like like standing by trump but i guess.
Sam: They'll learn from that event no that that i've seen posters of the two of them
Sam: together but not like actual photograph of
Sam: them two together like i do not somebody i've
Sam: seen you know so like he rfk gave his own event where he said he was dropping
Sam: out and endorsing trump but he did not do a joint event with trump and i i think
Sam: part of that is probably like rfk was shopping around looking for a cabinet
Sam: spot and i don't think trump gave it to him well.
Ivan: He was shopping exactly he had been going around i'm like hey hey buddy hey
Ivan: buddy can i have a cabinet spot hey buddy.
Sam: Now not not not that it's ever bothered donald trump but i believe it would
Sam: actually be illegal for him specifically to offer a cabinet spot in in in exchange
Sam: for an endorsement you know talk about campaign finance laws and bribery and
Sam: all that kind of stuff but not that like again Why would Trump care?
Sam: But I don't think, I don't think RFK got the promises from Trump that he wanted.
Ivan: No, I'm seeing this here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's not. Yeah,
Ivan: those pictures are some posters for some other fucking thing.
Sam: Whatever. Yeah, they made up some posters. They didn't do a real thing.
Sam: The other thing, and I spoke about how originally it was unclear who he was
Sam: taking more from and it sort of- No.
Ivan: No, no. Here we go. After- They did. No, he did. There it is.
Ivan: After suspending his presidential campaign and endorsing former President Trump election, RFK Jr.
Ivan: joined Trump on stage at a rally Friday in Glendale, Arizona.
Ivan: Can he explain what drove him to enter a race, leave the Democratic Party,
Ivan: and throw my support to Trump? So yeah, no, he did.
Sam: I missed the pictures of him. I saw him.
Ivan: I thought, damn it. I thought I was like.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I was like.
Sam: I am wrong. I am stupid. I have misread.
Ivan: And I fucking believed you. And I'm like, damn it. I thought I saw him.
Sam: Well, I believed you that time where you were talking about the borders of that
Sam: country in South America.
Sam: And you're talking about how they had to go through Brazil and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: And none of it was true. So, you know, where are you from?
Sam: There was that war where the rebels were, was it?
Ivan: Oh, oh, the Guyana thing.
Sam: You were all like, I was like, Ivan knows South America. He would know these details.
Ivan: Yeah, and I was wrong about that.
Sam: Yeah, so anyway, I apologize for the misinformation. Apparently they did appear together.
Sam: But I still, I don't think, I'm not getting the vibes that RFK got what he wanted
Sam: from Trump. But he did it anyway.
Sam: He endorsed him anyway. And here's the thing. Yeah.
Ivan: Well, I understand that. Was it his like a VP candidate, like a big Trump money person?
Sam: She was, she was, she's like the ex-wife of one of the Google founders.
Sam: Um, right. And so she is a wealthy woman.
Ivan: Wait, she, wait. Yeah. Wait, wasn't she the one that fucked Elon and the guy?
Sam: I don't know. I don't know. She, she, Oh shit.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Was he, was he, uh, was she Sergey Brin's ex?
Ivan: Oh God. I think it is. Yeah. I think it is.
Ivan: I mean, you know, she do whatever you want.
Sam: But look, here's the bottom line. And she's part of it.
Sam: Cause she, she basically got the VP spot by donating a shit ton of money to pack supporting.
Ivan: Yeah. So that's, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Sam: Here's the fundamental reality of the RFK campaign. is it was from the very
Sam: beginning bankrolled by Trump supporters for the purpose of draining votes from Joe Biden.
Sam: And it was doing the opposite. And so first it didn't seem to be working in the primary.
Sam: Like, so, cause of course, first
Sam: he was going to run as a Democrat in the primaries that wasn't working.
Sam: He was being rejected by Democrats outright. So he started running as independent.
Sam: And like I said earlier, it was unclear, like depending on the poll,
Sam: sometimes he took from Trump. Sometimes he took from Biden.
Sam: He probably took more from Biden than Trump, but it was close.
Sam: And it varied state by state and poll to poll.
Sam: But then once Biden dropped out, he was 100% taking from Donald Trump.
Sam: And so- Multiple sources. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Let me finish.
Sam: And so his funding dried up because the entire purpose of his funding was to
Sam: take support from Joe Biden.
Sam: And once it became absolutely clear that he was only taking support from Donald
Sam: Trump, all the people who were bankrolling him stopped.
Sam: And that's why he dropped out. He was running out of money.
Sam: And he and of course, he endorses Trump because the whole purpose of his damn
Sam: campaign all along was to help Donald Trump.
Sam: OK, go ahead. Tell me about the.
Ivan: Multiple sources that Elon Musk and Nicole Shanahan took ketamine together and
Ivan: had a sexual encounter in 2021. So yes, Sergey Brin's ex-wife, yes.
Ivan: And apparently Elon Musk had an affair with Google co-founder.
Ivan: I mean, he's trying to spread his seed to create this master race, I guess. So I guess he's.
Sam: He's almost said as much.
Ivan: Yeah. I mean, he's literally said this.
Sam: Yes. And yeah.
Ivan: And yeah, so I guess that, yeah. So, so that was, uh, yeah.
Sam: And he's, he's impregnated a variety of employees as well, if I remember correctly.
Ivan: I need to fuck an employee.
Ivan: uh so yeah so so that's you know hey hey vaughn elon is the best.
Sam: Humanity has to offer like it would.
Ivan: Be wrong.
Sam: Of him to not father as many children as you possibly could you.
Ivan: Know look we talked about earlier how they said that apparently
Ivan: doug emoff had an affair and that's you know that's one reason
Ivan: why he divorced or whatever whatnot but the one thing that
Ivan: is that you can see that apparently even
Ivan: though sometimes marriages have these issues
Ivan: that people do things or whatever but not but the one thing
Ivan: that i say if that shows about the character of a person is how
Ivan: they handle it later what they do what happens what the relationship
Ivan: is with people you know whether you know what not look this this woman is like
Ivan: you know i don't know she's back rolling a fucking rfk junior campaign a whole
Ivan: bunch of fucking anti-vaxxers trying to of trying to get fucking Donald Trump
Ivan: get elected with our fucking money and you know,
Ivan: having sex with a moron.
Sam: And and me who's an asshole and meanwhile
Sam: doug m hoff's wife like they
Sam: the marriage didn't work out they remained
Sam: friends they co-parented along with
Sam: his new wife i don't know if she
Sam: has a new husband or not i i just don't know that detail i
Sam: don't know either but the the the step kids talk fondly about all of them the
Sam: ex talks fondly about the a new wife they all get along you know this is like
Sam: i mean it's it it's mature you know it's mature you know sometimes relationships don't.
Ivan: Work out it's okay i mean you know it happens but you know when what you're
Ivan: doing is i don't know just.
Sam: And look something you're.
Ivan: Paying your paying your wife to show up at campaign events because she so hates you.
Sam: That she.
Ivan: Won't fucking show up on stage with you you literally have to give her money to do.
Sam: It yeah i mean and look at sometimes relationships end in a way that they can't
Sam: be civil anymore i understand but oh.
Ivan: Wait let me ask a question is brandy paying you to appear campaign events.
Sam: Oh yes i i get i
Sam: get huge amounts of money from that oh good good
Sam: and by the way just along those lines like brandy
Sam: got a phone phone call from her ex last or a text or
Sam: something this week and like was chatting about something
Sam: because you know he something was going on in his life and he wanted to talk
Sam: to somebody and you know and do i care am i threatened no it's fine they they
Sam: could chat mine it's like things happen you know you talk to your exes does your wife care.
Ivan: No, she actually is friends with them.
Sam: Yeah. Like, I don't know.
Ivan: She's friends with them. I mean, you know, yeah, my wife is friends with Kathy.
Ivan: I mean, you know, they're, you know, they get along, you know,
Ivan: they talk and shit and whatever. Yeah.
Sam: Yeah. Like, I don't know. Sometimes it can't work out. I understand.
Sam: But like, I, this is just one of those clear differences. Like the Republicans
Sam: are all like family values and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: Well, look, here's some goddamn really healthy families, you know?
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: Showing off. Whereas on, on the, on the stupid Republican side,
Sam: you've got Donald Trump and then, and then you've got Cy Vance.
Sam: Like, okay. He's got, he's got a nice little family, but at the same time,
Sam: he's like, he's like making racist comments about his own wife.
Ivan: You know, listen, it's not about, it's not about perfection.
Ivan: Yeah. Nobody's perfect, but it's what the, what humanity you display when something
Ivan: happens that may be her full that doesn't work and how you deal with it and
Ivan: how you go on still, you know, with care and humanity.
Ivan: Because people do shit sometimes. It's fine. But, you know, what we all do,
Ivan: you know, none of us are saints, so we'll do things. But how do you deal with it?
Ivan: That's what really shows your character. And that's why I keep saying that's
Ivan: what shows Trump's character, because the guy is just another douchebag.
Sam: None of us are saints. What are you talking about, Yvonne? I'm perfect.
Ivan: Oh, you're perfect?
Sam: I am pure as the driven snow. I am the pinnacle of humanity, except for Elon Musk.
Ivan: I can't compete there. I'm going to. No, we can't compete there.
Ivan: Look, I'm going to make sure that I'm going to bury my wife at a golf course
Ivan: in which she passes away before I do. That's the one thing I'm.
Sam: Going to do. Along with a couple boxes of classified documents in her casket.
Ivan: Yeah, exactly. Yes, absolutely.
Sam: I think we should be done, Yvonne.
Ivan: We should be done. Okay.
Sam: We probably should have been done 10 minutes ago. or longer but
Sam: oh well but anyway you know all right okay the stuff at the end go
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Sam: We would love to have more of you. It's Yvonne, myself, a bunch of our listeners
Sam: talking, sharing links, all that kind of stuff. Do you have one you want to
Sam: highlight this week, Yvonne?
Ivan: Oh, fuck. Yes.
Ivan: Well, can't talk about the boat.
Sam: Yeah, you already did that.
Ivan: Yeah, I know. Donald Trump Jr. is launching a crypto platform to take on the banks.
Ivan: The son of presidential candidate Donald Trump Jr.
Ivan: has revealed that he will launch a new DeFi platform to compete with the banking world.
Ivan: Sam, the banking world is waking in its boots right now.
Sam: So let me get this straight because I'm a little bit confused now.
Sam: when i liquidate my 401k should it all go into djt stock or should it all go into don jr's crypto.
Ivan: Now don jr crypto i.
Sam: Think that's the way to go that's the way to go don jr crypto wait a second
Sam: liquidate everything wait a second no i'll buy don jr's crypto and then take
Sam: a loan using that as collateral and buy the stock with that and.
Ivan: Buy the yes yes yes that sounds perfect i'm sure that That can't miss.
Sam: That can't miss. That would be perfect. Okay. Well, hey, everybody,
Sam: are there any major news events scheduled for the next week? I don't know.
Sam: I'm sure something will happen, but we're done with the convention.
Ivan: Not next week.
Sam: We got a couple weeks until the sentencing and all that.
Ivan: What's that, sentencing? Yeah, yeah, we got a couple of weeks.
Sam: We got a couple of weeks. I mean, I'm going to Vegas. We got the hearing.
Sam: We got the hearings on immunity. We got the legal submissions first on immunity,
Sam: then the hearing on immunity,
Sam: and then the sentencing, assuming that the sentencing doesn't get delayed either
Sam: because the judge agrees to delay it further or because there's emergency appeals
Sam: that delay it, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: So we shall see. Anyway, but we got at least one more show before that.
Sam: Anyway, hey, everybody, have a good week. Stay safe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Sam: We'll see you next time. Goodbye.
Ivan: Bye.
Sam: And folks are really missing out they're not watching the live streams i'm so
Sam: sad the the video you could chat to us in real time on the live stream and like
Sam: comment while we're going you know but no no we're.
Ivan: Not we're not exactly really like on at a good.
Sam: Time well you know it does say this time there were two views for an average
Sam: duration of one minute and 21 one seconds, but I think both of them were me.
Ivan: Oh God. Oh, well, it wasn't me.
Sam: That's for sure. Okay. Bye, Mr. Bo.
Ivan: Bye.