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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Hello, Yvonne. How you doing?

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<v Ivan>Hurry up.

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<v Sam>Are we?

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<v Ivan>I do it. I'm single dad right now.

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<v Sam>So we got to.

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<v Ivan>Well, Juana is in Washington State.

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<v Sam>Yeah, you mentioned she was coming.

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<v Ivan>Right. Yeah, she's four hours away driving. But I mean, she is closer to you than to me.

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<v Sam>Nice. Nice, nice.

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<v Ivan>But not that you could go and pop in to say hi now.

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<v Sam>Right, right. Just a little too far. You know, four hours, I could do that.

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<v Sam>You know, we're... Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, you go eight hours round trip seems very inconvenient, I must say.

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<v Sam>Indeed. Okay, so. All politics?

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<v Sam>Or butt first, then all politics? You want to do a butt first or you just jump right in?

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<v Ivan>A minor butt first because I... I'm a minor, but first that I've got,

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<v Ivan>then we got to jump in because I don't have time. I can't.

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<v Sam>I understand. Yeah, I understand. Okay, here we go.

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<v Sam>Wait a second.

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<v Ivan>No, it's not right.

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<v Sam>I know I did it wrong. Hold on.

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<v Sam>I forgot to stick this on the live thing. Here we go. Well, we'll rewind it. Try again. Here we go.

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, July 27th.

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<v Sam>It's 2024. It is just after 220 UTC as we're starting to record this.

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<v Sam>I'm Sam Andreevon Boas here.

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<v Ivan>Hello. Hello. Hello.

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<v Sam>And absolutely nothing happened this last week. Nothing at all.

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<v Ivan>Nothing. It was totally uneventful.

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<v Sam>Slowest news week in forever.

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<v Ivan>Ever. Forever. I mean, you know, we, I mean, the Olympics. The Olympics. Amazing. oh yes.

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<v Sam>Olympics they they they started.

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<v Ivan>Yes then they add like a barely ceremony and celine dion was singing look i

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<v Ivan>will say that that's momentous look i i you know i've always loved celine dion

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<v Ivan>dating back to before she was even famous i i once like i i glimpsed her because

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<v Ivan>i didn't have the time to hear her sing she was a,

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<v Ivan>Well, I saw her in concert later, but the first time I saw her was in 92 in Seville, Spain.

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<v Ivan>Okay. She was there at the World, that's when they, when World Expos were a thing.

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<v Sam>Yeah. Because now nobody cares.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>I recently, like within the last couple months, listened to an old episode of

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<v Sam>this podcast where we talked about going to the Louisville World's Fair.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Sam>Like, it was Louisville, right? With the Sunsphere.

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<v Ivan>No, no, Knoxville.

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<v Sam>Knoxville.

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<v Ivan>I Knoxville close enough close.

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<v Sam>Enough it was same part.

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<v Ivan>Of that was one of those things not a thing okay it was close

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<v Ivan>yeah you were close at least okay so Knoxville so that was like when you know

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<v Ivan>when those were a thing and she was there and the guy who was hosting me who

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<v Ivan>unfortunately is somebody that's passed away he was that old he was about our

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<v Ivan>age unfortunately he had type 1 One diabetes and some other complications.

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<v Ivan>And he wound up dying young, way too young. But anyway, I know.

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<v Ivan>But he was he worked for he worked for a radio station covering the events for

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<v Ivan>some major radio station in Spain.

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<v Ivan>OK. And so he told me that they got, you know, she got to to meet her and talk

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<v Ivan>to her and stuff and, you know, said how wonderful she was and whatnot.

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<v Ivan>And I was mentioning how I liked her music and whatnot and so forth and so on.

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<v Ivan>And I will say one thing that, yes, Celine Dion is a Francophone.

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<v Ivan>She is, you know, French-Canadian. Now, I don't recall that her parents were from France.

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<v Ivan>And now she sings in French very well. And it's how she started singing.

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<v Ivan>I was just thinking, well, I mean, OK, it is. I mean, it's the Olympics in France.

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<v Ivan>You've got OK. Yes, I know Celine sings in French. french but i mean i i did

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<v Ivan>it didn't make that much sense to me other than the fact that she spoke french okay they liked they.

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<v Sam>Liked her that's all you need.

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<v Ivan>I guess but you know like over at

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<v Ivan>the i was watching this thing about the olympics in

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<v Ivan>london where they had james bond right yeah

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<v Ivan>i remember you know do this intro and they had

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<v Ivan>the with the queen and the queen the parachute and

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<v Ivan>everything listen listen that still has to be

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<v Ivan>that that that opening ceremony look those clips

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<v Ivan>i mean they also had mr bean yeah you know with

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<v Ivan>the orchestra which is hilarious i i have

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<v Ivan>to say that almost all those opening ceremonies are boring and the british managed

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<v Ivan>to make it really be cool i saw some of this it was i mean there are there are

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<v Ivan>big events but it's like yeah okay now Now, but,

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<v Ivan>but a lot of people, and I will consider because I just watched this,

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<v Ivan>Celine Dion documentary recently, which is showing how the, the incredible difficulty

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<v Ivan>she's having with her health and the fact that it's precluded her from singing.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And it's, it's cost her quite severe ill health effects for a long time,

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<v Ivan>which she was hiding masking.

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<v Ivan>She was going in some concerts where there were tracks that were like recorded

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<v Ivan>in order to cover for when she couldn't sing anymore at those tones,

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<v Ivan>but she went and she sang in live in public, like but she hadn't done in years

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<v Ivan>and so everybody quite a lot of people are very very emotional about that um.

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<v Sam>Nice so.

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<v Ivan>Yeah so that's the big story for the week i think we're done.

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<v Sam>Oh yeah we can wrap it up so yeah uh and

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<v Sam>now just to be clear no no we're not we're doing

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<v Sam>we are doing our little but first thing even though like

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<v Sam>there was stuff this week that was pretty big and then it was yeah yeah and

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<v Sam>then uh and then we're just gonna like shift out of that into u.s politics because

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<v Sam>obviously we had a few things happen this week just just a few and.

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<v Ivan>Wait i mean i i i mean are you sure i.

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<v Sam>Don't know like i you know i slept through most of the week so i don't know

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<v Sam>no but yes yes we we had yeah well you.

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<v Ivan>Guys all.

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<v Sam>Know you know joe biden got.

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<v Ivan>Out kamala.

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<v Sam>Harris got in we got all kinds of stuff whoa hit thing we had all kinds of stuff

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<v Sam>and uh yeah and and that's it

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<v Sam>but uh you you said you had one but first thing what was it the olympics.

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<v Ivan>Or do you got something the only thing now the only thing i was going to mention

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<v Ivan>is that i had to get i i this week i,

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<v Ivan>my airpods died out of the blue now i will say that i had noticed since i got

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<v Ivan>this new pair of airpods which i had to get because unfortunately i left my

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<v Ivan>old airpods in my pants and yeah i never leave stuff in my pants i remember.

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<v Sam>You saying this.

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<v Ivan>Yeah that's not a common thing i'm like look so

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<v Ivan>he we we went and i had to get a new i had to get new airpods and so but i noticed

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<v Ivan>that the sound out of these airpods was not as good as the old ones okay okay

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<v Ivan>they just they just Just were not. I was always like.

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<v Sam>You've got a dud pair of AirPods or something.

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<v Ivan>Well, and then all of a sudden this week,

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<v Ivan>I'm on a conference call, and one of them refused to connect to the computer.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, neither of them, the next day, neither of them would

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<v Ivan>connect to any device at all. So I...

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<v Sam>Did you buy these AirPods off, like, some random guy in the parking lot that was.

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<v Ivan>Like, selling them out of the back of his truck? Yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I normally, as I usually do.

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<v Ivan>So, no. And so I contact Apple support.

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<v Ivan>And I explain what's going on, and they say uh

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<v Ivan>yeah try this try this no okay well

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<v Ivan>we can make you a genius appointment at the apple store and like that

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<v Ivan>was like at 11 there was one at 12 30 so i'm

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<v Ivan>like okay fine you know i'm you know apple store is like

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<v Ivan>very close to my household over there like during lunch you know try

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<v Ivan>this and the first thing they tried is that first they

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<v Ivan>they ran some diagnostic which managed to coax them

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<v Ivan>back to connecting to stuff because they would they were

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<v Ivan>refusing to connect to any device okay but then

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<v Ivan>i put them back on and since i was there and i noticed

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<v Ivan>this thing about the sound i put them back on i'm like damn it

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<v Ivan>you know what listen the sound is not coming out right of

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<v Ivan>these airpods okay there's just something not

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<v Ivan>right and i'm like well we got this audio diagnostic tool in

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<v Ivan>the back i'm gonna go take apparently so they've got this little do that

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<v Ivan>apparently where they can put them in okay and they will check checks

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<v Ivan>the sound and stuff off and whatever see if they're working or not that i

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<v Ivan>find that really damn cool you know it's not

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<v Ivan>like because let me tell

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<v Ivan>you you got broken earphones of any other kind nobody is doing that to check

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<v Ivan>that they're broken okay all right that's not happening okay so the fact that

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<v Ivan>they've got this little thing to test the audio so they went to the back the

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<v Ivan>the audio test all of a sudden i see them come out with some boxes i'm like

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<v Ivan>what's going on oh your airpods are definitely the the

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<v Ivan>speakers are defective. They're not working properly.

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<v Ivan>So here's, so they gave me a new set of AirPods, you know?

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<v Ivan>So that was, so I had, the other ones were just defective. I mean,

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<v Ivan>so I had to get new AirPods.

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<v Ivan>And then my work computer indicated that my battery is, and I had noticed the

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<v Ivan>battery life on, it's already three years, is fading, okay? Okay,

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<v Ivan>the battery performance is no good.

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<v Ivan>Well, I will tell you something I found out pleasantly surprised.

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<v Ivan>So we have at our company AppleCare Enterprise.

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<v Ivan>Okay, and apparently they're going to send somebody to my house to replace the battery on the laptop.

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<v Sam>Oh, nice.

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<v Ivan>I mean, they're actually going to send somebody. I could have taken it to a

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<v Ivan>store and said, oh, no, no, we can send somebody there.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, really? Yeah, well, you just need to make sure they have a clean table

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<v Ivan>this size for them to work in.

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<v Ivan>And we will perform the repair on time.

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<v Ivan>at your home so i was like okay so that's you don't get that.

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<v Sam>With personal apple care.

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<v Ivan>No don't this is.

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<v Sam>A corporate apple care exclusive feature repair.

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<v Ivan>Yes you know now there is

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<v Ivan>one thing you know this type of

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<v Ivan>repair to send somebody on site for a

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<v Ivan>laptop i remember when i worked at hp okay that

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<v Ivan>existed like in the 90s and

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<v Ivan>2000s hey you were paying several thousand dollars for

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<v Ivan>a laptop and if you bought extended support right

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<v Ivan>and i mean today's turns is probably like you know

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<v Ivan>five six thousand dollars for a damn computer you

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<v Ivan>know we we used to send people to go and like do on-site repairs to send the

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<v Ivan>parts and i remember that i had one that an hp one does a problem and hp would

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<v Ivan>send an engineer on site they had hp engineers that would go out and fix the

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<v Ivan>damn thing okay but sometime in the early 2000s all the almost every tech company did away

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<v Ivan>with that shit i mean they all did away with it and so i'm

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<v Ivan>like surprised that if you know we talk about

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<v Ivan>things going away that this is apparently the comeback

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<v Ivan>i i i'm getting my my my

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<v Ivan>laptop repaired at at at home so i i was just nice yeah so now i i did i i they

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<v Ivan>did suggest that i make a backup and i have this western digital drive that

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<v Ivan>i've used before but i have no idea it's an old usb 2.

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<v Ivan>i think it's usb i don't know what format it is it's old it's older.

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<v Ivan>No it's not even slower it's refusing it will not connect either to my studio

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<v Ivan>or to my and i noticed this that drive would only connect to my older laptops

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<v Ivan>it will not connect to the new ones that i don't know really old.

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<v Sam>I i've got i've got.

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<v Ivan>I think it is i've got seven i've.

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<v Sam>Got a my the The oldest drive I have connected to this computer right now is

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<v Sam>one I bought in July 2015 and it works fine.

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<v Ivan>Well, I it's it's also a Western. No, but I have noticed that that that well,

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<v Ivan>I've noticed that that drive had been finicky at connecting almost any hard

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<v Ivan>drive. OK, for computer, for whatever reason.

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<v Ivan>And now any and the newer and I noticed that the older ones that would connect

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<v Ivan>none of the newer ones that would connect.

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<v Ivan>And now apparently all of those

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<v Ivan>new new equipment I got, it just won't connect. So I have to go find out.

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<v Ivan>I have to go get a hard drive. I want to make up. I want to do a backup before God before I do that.

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<v Ivan>So anyway, so that's I'm getting on site. And they're going to fix my...

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<v Ivan>We'll see if they get here. Now, of course, I have to fly out on Tuesday and

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<v Ivan>then come back Thursday. So I got to make sure I schedule it for a day then I'm here.

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<v Sam>That would probably help.

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<v Ivan>That might help, yes.

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<v Sam>So, okay.

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<v Ivan>Unless I can send an engineer to Puerto Rico. They might be.

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<v Sam>They probably could.

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<v Ivan>I don't... Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, it's possible.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no. I want to get it done here.

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<v Sam>Okay. My turn?

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<v Ivan>Yes.

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<v Sam>So as I promised last week, my movie this time is The Grapes of Wrath from 1940,

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<v Sam>which I watched on February 11th of this year.

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<v Sam>So it is based on a John Steinbeck book from 1939, which I have not read either.

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<v Sam>But bottom line is it's a movie about the Great Depression.

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<v Sam>It's people from Oklahoma who, because of the Great Dust Bowl and everything and the Depression,

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<v Sam>tried to migrate to California and the various travails that they went through.

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<v Sam>And I I'm, I'm watching this cause of the AFI list.

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<v Sam>I neglected to check where on the AFI list it was.

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<v Sam>Let me, let me tell you real quick. I'm grapes of wrath, February.

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<v Sam>It's number 21 on the grapes.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>I'm, I'm, I'm getting, I'm getting near the end here.

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<v Sam>Like we're, we're, we don't have that much left on the AFI list,

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<v Sam>but yeah, it was number Number 21, and I'm going to give it a thumb sideways.

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<v Sam>I know this is like, you know, on the list of the greatest movies of all time.

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<v Ivan>Shame. You uncultured twit.

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<v Sam>That's me. I mean, it was fine, but I didn't feel like it was exceptional, right?

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<v Sam>I mean, as I try to get back to, there we go.

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<v Sam>Now, let's see. The film is widely considered to be one of the greatest films of all time.

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<v Sam>It was one of the first 25 films selected by the Library of Congress for preservation

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<v Sam>as being culturally or historically or aesthetically significant.

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<v Sam>Let's see. Did it win any awards? Critical response. Yeah.

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<v Sam>People who go to pictures for the sake of seeing pictures will see a great one.

00:15:53.690 --> 00:15:59.490
<v Sam>possibly the best picture ever made from a so-so book these are contemporary reviews,

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<v Sam>it won it won best director best supporting actor or actress yeah and so it

00:16:07.610 --> 00:16:10.910
<v Sam>it won a bunch of awards you know yeah yeah.

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<v Ivan>Yeah and but but you're you're.

00:16:12.690 --> 00:16:15.450
<v Sam>Like i'm just yeah man it well i.

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<v Ivan>Haven't watched it so i i want.

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<v Sam>You know what we talked about this last week and you were you're supposed to

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<v Sam>have homework. You were supposed to watch it before we talked this week.

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<v Ivan>I must admit that I have been quite busy. I, yeah.

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<v Sam>Anyway, the bottom line, I gave it a.

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<v Ivan>So I failed again.

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<v Sam>I gave it a thumb sideways because it felt a little long for me.

00:16:38.650 --> 00:16:39.990
<v Sam>It moved a little slowly.

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<v Sam>It had, yeah, it just never really like pulled me in.

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<v Sam>It was, it was sort of interesting to see, like, you know, from a historical

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<v Sam>point of of view and from a, and I, you know, obviously it's based on a novel.

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<v Sam>It's not like nonfiction, but you know, is sort of, I haven't spent a lot of

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<v Sam>time learning about that particular part of history,

00:17:06.250 --> 00:17:10.530
<v Sam>the, the migration of people towards California during the great depression,

00:17:10.630 --> 00:17:15.010
<v Sam>because of the, all the crops were failing and it wasn't just the crops were failing.

00:17:15.050 --> 00:17:21.470
<v Sam>It was also like people were buying up all the farms and kicking off the small, the small landholders.

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<v Sam>and so you know it was sort of interesting from that point of view and there

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<v Sam>were a couple of interesting moments but it just didn't do anything for me i

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<v Sam>don't know and and that that's all i got i mean i mean okay.

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<v Ivan>So so you basically you're an uncultured you know one of these people.

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<v Sam>Yeah i mean it was fine like that's why i'm giving it a side sideways and not

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<v Sam>a down but like Like, yeah,

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<v Sam>it's, you know, it's more interesting as a historical artifact than actually

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<v Sam>being like, oh, I am entertained by this film or I, or even like I learned from this film.

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<v Sam>It's just sort of like, oh, okay. It's a, it's a thing.

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<v Ivan>Shameful. Shameful.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>We are a show just absolutely drenched in shape.

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<v Ivan>We just shit on number 21 movie AFI.

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<v Ivan>One of the top, one of the first 25 ever preserved by the United States.

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<v Ivan>And basically, we just took a dump on it.

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<v Ivan>That's a great show. I think that's a wrap. Okay, so we're done?

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<v Sam>Well, I'll tell you. Yes, I'll give you the preview, though.

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<v Ivan>Oh, no, we're done with the show.

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<v Sam>Oh, yeah, we're done. but no no next yeah

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<v Sam>the next movie next week is number 20 on the afi list which is what is one flew

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<v Sam>over to cuckoo's nest from 1975 okay have you seen that one i think i think

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<v Sam>i have save it for next week we're going to talk about it next week okay okay,

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<v Sam>it's.

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<v Ivan>Not capricorn one.

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<v Sam>No okay is that another you're a capricorn one it's a it's a bad movie right

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<v Sam>i and now i'm adding it to my stupid list it's.

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<v Ivan>It's a it's it's it's not a great movie.

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<v Sam>It's not a terrible movie does it have oj yes.

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<v Ivan>It does okay.

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<v Sam>So i knew something.

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<v Ivan>It's the one where I think it was a fake mission to Mars that they go and they're

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<v Ivan>supposed to be, yeah, they were supposed to be going and fake mission to, right, that's right.

00:19:37.810 --> 00:19:41.150
<v Ivan>It's supposed to be the first mission to Mars. mars

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<v Ivan>and apparently they right before the

00:19:44.670 --> 00:19:50.270
<v Ivan>rocket is launched they take the crew out of the capsule because nasa have determined

00:19:50.270 --> 00:19:54.450
<v Ivan>that they were going to die and they take him to a studio where they can fake

00:19:54.450 --> 00:19:59.570
<v Ivan>everything and then what happens is that the heat shield on the on the capsule

00:19:59.570 --> 00:20:03.530
<v Ivan>fails instead of arriving and it burns up and so they decide well we have to kill him.

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<v Sam>Okay well thumbs Thumbs up? Thumbs sideways? Thumbs down?

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<v Ivan>I'm going to give it a thumbs sideways because it was just the,

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<v Ivan>I got to say that it was pretty good up until the end of the movie where the

00:20:18.570 --> 00:20:26.350
<v Ivan>way that it ended was so tacky that it really ruined the movie.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>But it actually is pretty good up until you get to the end.

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<v Ivan>okay i mean i don't understand how they could have fucked up to get get almost

00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:44.010
<v Ivan>80 percent of the movie right and then just at the edges oh we don't know how

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<v Ivan>to end this we'll just figure out some idiotic way to do so okay.

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<v Sam>Shall we take our.

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<v Ivan>First break yes and.

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<v Sam>Then we're just going to do politics and all the stuff associated it till the

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<v Sam>end of the show okay here here comes the break.

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<v Sam>Okay we are back so last week i actually like for once like got the podcast

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<v Sam>out on like saturday evening instead of waiting till sunday night or even monday morning and,

00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:22.600
<v Sam>that if i had waited we would have like i would have been calling yvonne and

00:22:22.600 --> 00:22:26.320
<v Sam>been like hey can we do it like a little intro to the show or whatever because

00:22:26.320 --> 00:22:30.060
<v Sam>of course sunday afternoon noon, Joe Biden does the,

00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.840
<v Sam>I'm not running after all thing.

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<v Sam>And kaboom, like everything changes.

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<v Sam>Like, so, you know.

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<v Ivan>We're going to say nothing happened.

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<v Sam>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing happened. But, you know, and we talked about this,

00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:49.920
<v Sam>you know, we've been talking about this for the last, what was it? Three weeks.

00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.340
<v Sam>It was three weeks and three days from the debate until when he made his decision,

00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.060
<v Sam>I think, or something like that.

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<v Sam>And last week, we'd said there were lots of reports that it was now a matter

00:23:03.820 --> 00:23:08.660
<v Sam>of when, not if, and it could come as soon as the weekend.

00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:13.780
<v Sam>Now, Joe Biden's people were denying that up and down, left and right when we

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<v Sam>recorded, but there was this weekend or last weekend.

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<v Sam>And there have been a number of stories about how it played out and blah, blah, blah.

00:23:26.020 --> 00:23:30.260
<v Sam>I think the bottom line, and then we'll talk about what happened after,

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<v Sam>but the bottom line is that it had just made, been made completely untenable.

00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:40.140
<v Sam>Like between like, now obviously there's the,

00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:44.380
<v Sam>you know, the bad performance that Biden had at the debate itself,

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<v Sam>but also just all of the three weeks of drama about this, we're just making

00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:55.100
<v Sam>it worse and worse and worse, like regardless of biggest.

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<v Ivan>Listen, I don't know, but the, the, the drama was in large part fueled by the

00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:07.520
<v Ivan>fact that the rest of the democratic leaders is not like they came out in strong

00:24:07.520 --> 00:24:09.140
<v Ivan>support of Biden afterwards,

00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:14.880
<v Ivan>because if say all the governors, all the democratic governors and,

00:24:15.780 --> 00:24:18.540
<v Ivan>schumer pelosi and everybody came to the white

00:24:18.540 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Ivan>house and like showed his strong show of support

00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:25.460
<v Ivan>for him okay it it

00:24:25.460 --> 00:24:28.600
<v Ivan>it it probably would have been snuffed out

00:24:28.600 --> 00:24:35.200
<v Ivan>in a week now i'll say um yeah i i it would have it would have really been far

00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:40.360
<v Ivan>far less of a reaction it would have been less of reaction all of them yeah

00:24:40.360 --> 00:24:45.820
<v Ivan>but they all kept but they they were doing the opposite they were feeding it but let me say.

00:24:45.820 --> 00:24:49.400
<v Sam>They were absolutely actively feeding it.

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<v Sam>I mean, the counterpoint is if they had done that, like there was a lot of reporting

00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.060
<v Sam>and polls around and you, it's self-referential, right.

00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:03.900
<v Sam>But about how people were like, look, I saw him.

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<v Sam>I just don't believe you when you're defending him and you must be hiding something.

00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:13.220
<v Sam>And there would always, even in that scenario, I mean, we've seen enough of,

00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Sam>you know, Joe Biden in those three weeks had a number of really good performances,

00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:20.980
<v Sam>but he also had a few that were just sort of, eh.

00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:29.420
<v Sam>And so the worry that at some point he would fall down again was always there. There was also just.

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:30.940
<v Ivan>He didn't, he didn't fall.

00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Sam>I know. I thought fall down metaphorically. I know.

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.900
<v Ivan>I know. Um, it's like, well, I mean, well, we've had other guys fall down.

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.960
<v Sam>Yeah. But, you know, so the worry would always be there.

00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:48.900
<v Sam>And then you also had the fact that even before the debate, he was losing in

00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:54.280
<v Sam>the polls and he was not like, well, OK, hang on.

00:25:54.280 --> 00:26:00.080
<v Ivan>Back up one second. In the days leading to the debate, Biden had actually started

00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:01.420
<v Ivan>taking a lead in the national.

00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:06.720
<v Sam>In the national. Okay. Yes. Yeah. It had not yet reflected in critical swing

00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.780
<v Sam>states, but yes, he had taken a very narrow lead in the national polls before the debate.

00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:11.040
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:26:11.040 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Sam>And then that was all blown down by the debate.

00:26:13.900 --> 00:26:21.220
<v Ivan>And I will say that the big strategic blunder that the Biden campaign did,

00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:28.040
<v Ivan>okay, that created this situation was the fact that they decided to play it

00:26:28.040 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Ivan>with Biden very conservative, where, okay, we don't want him to make a gaffe or a mistake.

00:26:33.940 --> 00:26:37.780
<v Ivan>He is the incumbent.

00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:42.100
<v Ivan>All the fundamentals are pretty solid in his favor.

00:26:42.760 --> 00:26:49.580
<v Ivan>Let's not have him out there in situations Situations where he can,

00:26:49.660 --> 00:26:57.160
<v Ivan>you know, make gaffes and mistakes that that then create certain problems.

00:26:58.290 --> 00:27:01.070
<v Ivan>having to walk them back or whatever the heck it is.

00:27:01.070 --> 00:27:05.930
<v Sam>So he wasn't, he wasn't out there. He wasn't active. He wasn't like getting the attention.

00:27:06.330 --> 00:27:09.850
<v Ivan>And all he was doing was stump speeches. And the problem with,

00:27:09.930 --> 00:27:13.590
<v Ivan>you know, and I was looking the other day and you go back like,

00:27:14.210 --> 00:27:18.270
<v Ivan>geez, like some of the Obama campaigns, you know, in the eighties where we were

00:27:18.270 --> 00:27:22.290
<v Ivan>doing like say town halls, you know, we haven't, you know, I don't see any of

00:27:22.290 --> 00:27:25.790
<v Ivan>the candidates really do that kind of like stuff.

00:27:25.790 --> 00:27:28.490
<v Ivan>You know, Biden has definitely not done that.

00:27:28.550 --> 00:27:32.830
<v Ivan>I didn't see any of that in like 2016 that I recall either.

00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:38.310
<v Ivan>It's something that people backed away. And I think that the the the blunder

00:27:38.310 --> 00:27:42.550
<v Ivan>was that by hiding him, then you fed the narrative of, well,

00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:48.110
<v Ivan>there's got to be something wrong if you're not putting him in these situations.

00:27:48.110 --> 00:27:51.590
<v Ivan>Well, even though he was in public and he was doing stuff or whatever,

00:27:51.770 --> 00:27:53.390
<v Ivan>but everybody's like, you know.

00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:57.570
<v Sam>And that's all bullshit. And this will be relevant when we start talking about Harris.

00:27:57.730 --> 00:28:04.570
<v Sam>But like the thing was that even when he was doing his best,

00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:09.450
<v Sam>like there wasn't a lot of excitement around Joe Biden.

00:28:10.050 --> 00:28:10.950
<v Ivan>No, no.

00:28:11.070 --> 00:28:11.570
<v Sam>It was just.

00:28:12.510 --> 00:28:16.330
<v Ivan>But Sam, part of this was, look, it's a self-fulfilling problem.

00:28:16.590 --> 00:28:17.010
<v Sam>Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:28:17.010 --> 00:28:22.590
<v Ivan>Look, because the problem is, okay, you had the Republicans for,

00:28:22.790 --> 00:28:25.830
<v Ivan>I don't know, the last couple of years,

00:28:26.010 --> 00:28:34.910
<v Ivan>astroturfing this whole thing that Biden was senile, that he was just this doddering

00:28:34.910 --> 00:28:40.350
<v Ivan>old fool, that basically this is like Weekend at Bernie's with the presidency, okay?

00:28:40.350 --> 00:28:44.630
<v Ivan>OK, they have been saying this over and over and over again.

00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:52.810
<v Ivan>And the thing is that what what his campaign did in terms of that narrative was ignore it.

00:28:53.320 --> 00:28:58.260
<v Ivan>Whereas what probably would have worked a hell of a lot better was that,

00:28:58.300 --> 00:29:01.580
<v Ivan>you know what, even if he's out in public and he was making a mistake calling,

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:05.300
<v Ivan>you know, what's his name by the wrong name or whatever the fuck whatnot.

00:29:05.300 --> 00:29:09.580
<v Ivan>Not, you know, those blunders are just, you know, those are minor,

00:29:09.700 --> 00:29:13.120
<v Ivan>you know, compared to him answering questions from the public,

00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:16.980
<v Ivan>like in an open forum and taking questions and doing a press conference and

00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Ivan>answering questions and showing that, you know, he's got command of the facts,

00:29:21.360 --> 00:29:25.340
<v Ivan>even though he sometimes will make a mistake that that has to be walked back.

00:29:25.340 --> 00:29:30.080
<v Ivan>Look, I mean, you know, it wouldn't be the first president that was in a live

00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:34.140
<v Ivan>press conference where his staff had to go back and say, oh,

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:36.760
<v Ivan>no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we meant about, you know, whatever.

00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:43.100
<v Ivan>OK, I mean, and that fear, you know, they they paralyze themselves into that.

00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:46.120
<v Ivan>You've got the other guys doing the narrative and, you know,

00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:50.340
<v Ivan>and then he goes out and lays a massive egg. Yeah.

00:29:50.540 --> 00:29:53.460
<v Sam>And on national TV. me well and and like i

00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Sam>you know last week when we were talking about it i i was

00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.420
<v Sam>saying you know hey if they're really going to force him out like that for me

00:30:02.420 --> 00:30:06.860
<v Sam>to feel like totally justified that that was the right thing to do these people

00:30:06.860 --> 00:30:11.520
<v Sam>have to know like more than was public like and i and i've heard a couple people

00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:14.660
<v Sam>say like you know in their private interactions with him,

00:30:15.300 --> 00:30:19.620
<v Sam>he'd clearly lost a few steps i don't know but like the other thing is even

00:30:19.620 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Sam>that there's There's also the cold calculation that says,

00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Sam>you know, by the time you got a couple of weeks into this, like this,

00:30:28.520 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Sam>there was so much damage already done that it wasn't repairable.

00:30:33.260 --> 00:30:35.220
<v Sam>And so, but, but.

00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:41.900
<v Ivan>But here's the thing. We say that, right? We say that the reality is that the

00:30:41.900 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Ivan>national polling average didn't really move that much.

00:30:47.570 --> 00:30:52.070
<v Ivan>In terms of like, look at where it was in May to where it was now where you

00:30:52.070 --> 00:30:58.970
<v Ivan>got Trump's shot and the RNC, which gave him a boost.

00:30:59.330 --> 00:31:06.630
<v Sam>In the end, from right before the debate to right before he dropped out,

00:31:06.770 --> 00:31:10.770
<v Sam>he lost about 4% during those three weeks.

00:31:11.470 --> 00:31:17.410
<v Ivan>But you know i mean add all the when you're talking about that in the grand

00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:21.490
<v Ivan>scheme of key four percent is basically the within the fucking margin of error

00:31:21.490 --> 00:31:25.670
<v Ivan>it is but like but what people pointed out over and.

00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:31.250
<v Sam>Over again is that the the amount of slosh you have the number of people in

00:31:31.250 --> 00:31:35.370
<v Sam>the middle who are changing their minds is much smaller than it has been in

00:31:35.370 --> 00:31:42.370
<v Sam>previous cycles so four percent is effectively bigger because it's much harder to move the numbers.

00:31:42.370 --> 00:31:47.330
<v Ivan>Because there's so many but sam again i go back to the fact that after it happened,

00:31:47.970 --> 00:31:53.610
<v Ivan>instead of circling the wagon yeah yeah yeah what you had was that reaction

00:31:53.610 --> 00:31:58.290
<v Ivan>we had the circular firing squad exactly instead of a circle in the wagons he

00:31:58.290 --> 00:32:00.870
<v Ivan>had a circle and firing squad If you circled the wagons,

00:32:00.870 --> 00:32:03.550
<v Ivan>you may have had like a 2% impact, okay?

00:32:03.950 --> 00:32:05.790
<v Ivan>But you add...

00:32:06.770 --> 00:32:14.210
<v Ivan>totally the opposite effect and everybody went and like just decided that we're going to this.

00:32:14.370 --> 00:32:16.830
<v Ivan>Now, look, there is an important thing.

00:32:17.490 --> 00:32:24.570
<v Ivan>Biden had, and I mean, even when he won the first time around, low enthusiasm.

00:32:24.570 --> 00:32:25.030
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

00:32:25.910 --> 00:32:35.790
<v Ivan>I mean, he won, but for whatever reason, people weren't enthusiastic about him. I I, I, I.

00:32:35.790 --> 00:32:41.970
<v Sam>Yeah, I, he, he, I don't know why he pulled out a squeaker winning the majority

00:32:41.970 --> 00:32:47.170
<v Sam>of the double haters who hated both him and Trump, but they went for Biden in the end.

00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:51.930
<v Sam>But there were lots and lots of people last time around who didn't like either of them.

00:32:51.990 --> 00:32:56.070
<v Sam>Well, the last few elections, the same thing was true of Clinton and Trump,

00:32:56.150 --> 00:33:02.170
<v Sam>you know, where huge numbers of people were like, I really don't want either of them.

00:33:02.390 --> 00:33:03.790
<v Ivan>I hate both of them.

00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:06.950
<v Sam>I hate both of them. And, and that's been the dynamic and that,

00:33:07.090 --> 00:33:13.030
<v Sam>you know, and, and it, you know, it, it, it, after the debate,

00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:17.810
<v Sam>like it just, that just got worse, you know?

00:33:17.810 --> 00:33:20.410
<v Sam>And, and so you're absolutely right.

00:33:20.510 --> 00:33:25.270
<v Sam>The circular firing squad, if, if people had sort of defended him,

00:33:25.350 --> 00:33:30.290
<v Sam>I think the narrative had been growing anyway, that said, you know,

00:33:30.290 --> 00:33:33.710
<v Sam>there were a lot of people who didn't believe the defense.

00:33:33.790 --> 00:33:37.030
<v Sam>And that would have been even more after.

00:33:37.050 --> 00:33:41.410
<v Ivan>Well, Sam, there were a lot of people that before, but it goes back to what

00:33:41.410 --> 00:33:46.650
<v Ivan>I said about not countering the narrative in the first place and keeping them in there.

00:33:47.070 --> 00:33:52.830
<v Ivan>Everybody, even before that, I heard it over and over, the doddering old fool, the blah, blah, blah.

00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:56.810
<v Ivan>This narrative been going and going and going and going.

00:33:57.390 --> 00:34:02.430
<v Ivan>And you're not doing anything to counter that. Okay. Anything significant. Okay.

00:34:02.890 --> 00:34:08.250
<v Ivan>And so they and they let that out there where the problem was that if you're

00:34:08.250 --> 00:34:11.350
<v Ivan>going to have that narrative and your strategies to ignore it,

00:34:11.390 --> 00:34:17.050
<v Ivan>then if you're going to go out in public, you better hit it out of the fucking park. Right.

00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:21.710
<v Ivan>And what he did was the opposite. Now, there's a lot of good reasons why it

00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:23.170
<v Ivan>happened. But you know what?

00:34:23.770 --> 00:34:29.710
<v Ivan>When when they've set that narrative and then you confirmed that for the people

00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:33.570
<v Ivan>that believe that, then it's, you know, is a very difficult situation.

00:34:33.570 --> 00:34:39.330
<v Ivan>And then and then the people that supposedly are supposed to be your biggest

00:34:39.330 --> 00:34:45.790
<v Ivan>supporters basically just they they they actually were actively undermining him.

00:34:46.010 --> 00:34:53.310
<v Sam>Right. And, you know, to give the benefit of the doubt, they honestly felt that

00:34:53.310 --> 00:34:57.890
<v Sam>he couldn't do this, that he couldn't bring.

00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:01.450
<v Ivan>I think I listen. Let me tell you something. I think that's a lot of bullshit.

00:35:01.450 --> 00:35:06.390
<v Ivan>I think that a big part of it is, I will say, is that these guys thought that

00:35:06.390 --> 00:35:09.650
<v Ivan>they had the opportunity to put whomever it is that they wanted,

00:35:09.810 --> 00:35:12.150
<v Ivan>okay, instead of Biden, okay?

00:35:12.550 --> 00:35:16.390
<v Ivan>Because none of them wanted Biden in the first place.

00:35:18.110 --> 00:35:21.530
<v Sam>And, and they didn't want Harris either. So let's not, let's move.

00:35:21.610 --> 00:35:24.530
<v Ivan>And they didn't want Harris either. Okay. So let's be clear about this.

00:35:24.590 --> 00:35:28.510
<v Ivan>They didn't want, they wanted the opportunity to fucking put wherever the hell

00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:31.270
<v Ivan>they wanted in. That's what they wanted.

00:35:31.310 --> 00:35:35.050
<v Sam>So, so now let's, let's move to the next stage of this. Donald,

00:35:35.150 --> 00:35:38.470
<v Sam>Donald Trump. See, I'm doing it again. I'm calling Biden Trump.

00:35:39.410 --> 00:35:41.930
<v Sam>Every week, every week I'm doing this.

00:35:42.950 --> 00:35:47.710
<v Sam>Anyway, the Biden put out his announcement saying I'm out.

00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:53.950
<v Sam>and the immediate reaction was look he didn't endorse anybody he said that we

00:35:53.950 --> 00:35:58.730
<v Sam>need to have like a process whatever blah blah blah a micro.

00:35:58.730 --> 00:36:00.490
<v Ivan>An open convention.

00:36:00.490 --> 00:36:05.350
<v Sam>Blah blah blah all kinds of people right after that announcement were jumping

00:36:05.350 --> 00:36:09.890
<v Sam>in talking about the open process talking about how we need how we need like

00:36:09.890 --> 00:36:15.070
<v Sam>some sort of thing convention sam people people were putting out like Like.

00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:16.370
<v Ivan>The Slack bot was right again.

00:36:16.410 --> 00:36:21.990
<v Sam>Yeah. People were putting out plans about like, Hey, we're going to have a series of events.

00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:25.970
<v Sam>Oprah Winfrey is going to host one and we're going to do this.

00:36:25.970 --> 00:36:26.950
<v Sam>And we're going to do that.

00:36:27.310 --> 00:36:29.570
<v Ivan>And Oprah Winfrey, what the fuck?

00:36:29.670 --> 00:36:29.870
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:36:29.930 --> 00:36:31.370
<v Ivan>Somebody actually threw that out.

00:36:31.410 --> 00:36:33.070
<v Sam>Oh yeah. They, they had, they said.

00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:35.390
<v Ivan>Joe Manchin thought he was going to be the nominee too.

00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:38.350
<v Sam>Somebody had put out the plan of how this would work. And there was going to

00:36:38.350 --> 00:36:41.850
<v Sam>be a series of five events and they listed who they wanted to be the hosts of

00:36:41.850 --> 00:36:46.350
<v Sam>each one of them. and Oprah Winfrey was one of them. And I forget who the others were.

00:36:46.390 --> 00:36:51.150
<v Sam>They were all sort of famous Democrat leaning celebrity type folks.

00:36:51.610 --> 00:36:56.150
<v Sam>And, you know, and they, they had this whole plan about how you were going to

00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:59.490
<v Sam>have a bunch of people toss their hats into ring, have some mini debates,

00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:00.950
<v Sam>have some events, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:05.190
<v Sam>And then a big vote at the convention. And that was going to excite people and blah, blah, blah.

00:37:05.470 --> 00:37:08.550
<v Sam>And all of this conversation was going on. And then,

00:37:09.220 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Sam>About 15 minutes after the initial announcement, Biden comes out.

00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:16.520
<v Ivan>I mean, literally all that shit happened in 15 minutes.

00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:21.260
<v Sam>Well, people were, people were already talking about that before Biden's announcement.

00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:26.860
<v Sam>And in that 15 minute gap, like all of the talking heads and all of the people

00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:31.540
<v Sam>on, you know, all the social medias and stuff were going crazy talking about,

00:37:31.620 --> 00:37:33.980
<v Sam>okay, well now this is, this plan has to be activated.

00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:36.980
<v Sam>We're going to do this and we're going to do that. and blah, blah, blah.

00:37:37.540 --> 00:37:41.860
<v Sam>And Harris is obviously in the mix, but there are all these other people too and blah, blah, blah.

00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:48.580
<v Sam>And so after that 15 minute gap, Joe Biden comes in and sends a second post

00:37:48.580 --> 00:37:51.120
<v Sam>out saying, I endorse Kamala Harris.

00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:54.860
<v Sam>I think she's wonderful. She's amazing. She needs to be the person.

00:37:55.080 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Sam>I forget the exact words, but it was along those lines.

00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:07.060
<v Sam>I give her my full-fledged endorsement and then kaboom like it seems like all

00:38:07.060 --> 00:38:12.040
<v Sam>of the other efforts collapsed almost immediately for the first couple hours

00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:15.840
<v Sam>there were still people talking a little bit but even in the first couple hours

00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.060
<v Sam>that had diminished a whole.

00:38:17.060 --> 00:38:19.900
<v Ivan>Bunch of very important endorsements started coming.

00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:25.220
<v Sam>Out right it started like it started building like very very within like 15

00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:30.440
<v Sam>minutes of biden's endorsement you You started to get other important endorsements.

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.680
<v Sam>And, you know, and by the time I'll tell you one.

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.520
<v Ivan>I'll tell you two people that I figured out that really love Joe Biden.

00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:38.200
<v Sam>OK.

00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.900
<v Ivan>All right. More than just by the way, that above anybody, the Clintons.

00:38:43.240 --> 00:38:43.600
<v Sam>OK.

00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:47.500
<v Ivan>I mean, because I don't know if you saw, but not only were they behind them

00:38:47.500 --> 00:38:50.340
<v Ivan>when everything was going on, but they were one of the first to go.

00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.340
<v Ivan>And like, oh, he said, Kamala. OK, we're we're you know.

00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.540
<v Sam>They were they were within the first. Oh, yeah.

00:38:56.060 --> 00:38:59.500
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah. They were like, boom. Oh yeah, we're in. He's right.

00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Sam>And, and, and, you know, so within the first few hours, you started getting

00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.120
<v Sam>a whole bunch of endorsements and that train just accelerated.

00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.640
<v Sam>Uh, you also start, and of course Kamala came out like 15 minutes, half an hour later.

00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:16.640
<v Sam>I forget exactly how long it was saying, of course I'm running.

00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:18.340
<v Sam>Let's go do this. Blah, blah, blah.

00:39:19.720 --> 00:39:23.360
<v Sam>And, and, and then they started raising money,

00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:29.620
<v Sam>huge amounts of money, huge amount of months Like within the first 24 hours,

00:39:29.740 --> 00:39:35.160
<v Sam>you had almost a hundred million directly to Kamala's campaign,

00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:37.180
<v Sam>mostly from small donors.

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.400
<v Sam>And then you, I also saw reported, you had like nearly another hundred,

00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:48.620
<v Sam>150 going to associated packs from big money donors.

00:39:48.620 --> 00:39:53.860
<v Sam>And so within the first 24 hours, you essentially had like a quarter billion

00:39:53.860 --> 00:39:57.200
<v Sam>dollars coming to support this right away.

00:39:57.540 --> 00:39:59.540
<v Sam>And it's continued since then.

00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:03.200
<v Ivan>And that basically, I think that sealed it.

00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:09.220
<v Ivan>That was like, when numbers came out, it was like, okay, this is game over. I mean, there's just...

00:40:09.220 --> 00:40:13.820
<v Sam>And then you started seeing a parade of all of the people who had been talked

00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:16.580
<v Sam>about as other candidates besides Harris.

00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:21.560
<v Sam>one by one started coming out and saying i endorse harris i endorse harris i

00:40:21.560 --> 00:40:26.020
<v Sam>endorse harris rather than throwing their own hat into the ring the the only

00:40:26.020 --> 00:40:34.080
<v Sam>exceptions were a trial balloon from joe mansion which got shut down right fast and marianne that was.

00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:35.500
<v Ivan>Like comedic i mean.

00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Sam>And marianne fucking williamson which was just ignored by everybody you know.

00:40:42.490 --> 00:40:43.430
<v Ivan>And he was like, who?

00:40:43.910 --> 00:40:51.450
<v Sam>And so the other thing I'll say is in addition to all of the endorsements and all of the money,

00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:57.810
<v Sam>the other thing is that almost immediately this started to be a social media

00:40:57.810 --> 00:41:00.250
<v Sam>phenomenon in favor of Harris as well.

00:41:01.470 --> 00:41:06.050
<v Ivan>Listen, there is a massive shift in enthusiasm.

00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:09.950
<v Sam>And this is what I want to say. And I want to say this flat out.

00:41:09.950 --> 00:41:14.150
<v Sam>My main concern, well, I had two concerns really.

00:41:14.230 --> 00:41:17.310
<v Sam>One was you're treating Biden like shit.

00:41:17.490 --> 00:41:21.690
<v Sam>But the other, the practical concern is I would be willing to treat Biden like

00:41:21.690 --> 00:41:31.030
<v Sam>shit as long as you were definitely trading for a better option that had a better chance.

00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:35.910
<v Sam>And what I was worried about was that you would have this open convention bullshit

00:41:35.910 --> 00:41:41.470
<v Sam>and a whole bunch of people contending and a bunch of like a fight over who

00:41:41.470 --> 00:41:45.490
<v Sam>would get the nomination that would leave everybody with hard feelings and feeling

00:41:45.490 --> 00:41:50.290
<v Sam>instead of enthusiasm bubbling up for out of the result of this,

00:41:50.370 --> 00:41:54.430
<v Sam>it would be a bunch of people with hurt feelings and a bunch of upset and a

00:41:54.430 --> 00:41:57.230
<v Sam>bunch of chaos. And that was my biggest concern.

00:41:57.690 --> 00:42:00.330
<v Sam>But I will say flat out right now.

00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:04.470
<v Sam>I was wrong. I was completely fucking wrong.

00:42:04.790 --> 00:42:08.870
<v Sam>And I think part of it is, you know, the way Joe Biden did this,

00:42:08.890 --> 00:42:12.730
<v Sam>and we'll talk more about that in a second, but what we've actually seen here

00:42:12.730 --> 00:42:17.130
<v Sam>is such a massive change.

00:42:17.490 --> 00:42:22.030
<v Sam>Like, you know, we, I said earlier, like, you know, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm for Joe Biden.

00:42:22.170 --> 00:42:26.850
<v Sam>Basically the mood was, especially after the three weeks of dumping on Joe Biden,

00:42:26.910 --> 00:42:31.810
<v Sam>the mood was sort of like, okay, it's like, okay, fine.

00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:37.510
<v Sam>We're going to do this. We will do our best. We will, we still have a shot,

00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:40.610
<v Sam>but like, we, we know it's a long shot, but we have a shot.

00:42:40.670 --> 00:42:47.730
<v Sam>We can make this happen and we will sort of dutifully go out and do our best. And by the way.

00:42:47.770 --> 00:42:52.210
<v Ivan>I still will argue again, that it wasn't a long shot that, that the entire thing

00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:56.150
<v Ivan>about how bad it was or how good it was, it was overblown.

00:42:56.530 --> 00:42:56.870
<v Sam>Okay.

00:42:56.930 --> 00:42:59.230
<v Ivan>All right. So I, Sam, I,

00:42:59.570 --> 00:43:06.830
<v Ivan>Sam, Trump in 2016 was losing by that much. I mean, look, I mean, no.

00:43:07.150 --> 00:43:09.430
<v Sam>By the end.

00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:17.550
<v Ivan>Biden supposedly, listen, Biden supposedly was going to, the polls in the summer

00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:21.230
<v Ivan>were a blowout, you know, for Biden.

00:43:21.290 --> 00:43:23.850
<v Ivan>And it turned into a squeaker. Yeah.

00:43:23.890 --> 00:43:25.890
<v Sam>So listen, I'm sorry.

00:43:25.990 --> 00:43:32.630
<v Ivan>No, the whole narrative that this was, called and done for was also overdone.

00:43:32.670 --> 00:43:37.570
<v Ivan>I get the concerns about what the numbers were, but saying that in July it's

00:43:37.570 --> 00:43:39.930
<v Ivan>over, it's just always idiotic.

00:43:39.950 --> 00:43:43.910
<v Sam>Yes. And you're absolutely right.

00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:53.370
<v Sam>The worst Biden's tipping point that I track on election graphs got was just over 5%.

00:43:53.370 --> 00:44:06.430
<v Sam>There were times in 2016 and 2020 where the Democrat was ahead by over 6%,

00:44:06.430 --> 00:44:08.430
<v Sam>over 7% even.

00:44:09.010 --> 00:44:13.470
<v Sam>And like you said, in 2016, Trump came back and won. In 2020,

00:44:13.470 --> 00:44:15.810
<v Sam>Trump came back and made it very, very close.

00:44:16.210 --> 00:44:23.750
<v Sam>But I think the worry was that Joe Biden didn't have what it took to make that kind of comeback.

00:44:24.110 --> 00:44:30.010
<v Ivan>But all I'm saying, and I want to be clear, is that, listen,

00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:34.830
<v Ivan>that the whole thing that all is lost narrative was ridiculous.

00:44:35.370 --> 00:44:42.070
<v Ivan>Now, I do, Listen, like I said, were you on the back foot? Sure.

00:44:42.810 --> 00:44:47.990
<v Ivan>But keep continuing to say that all is lost, which is just dumb puckery.

00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:55.850
<v Sam>But my point is, we went from that glum, dutiful, we will try our best.

00:44:56.130 --> 00:44:56.650
<v Ivan>Right.

00:44:56.670 --> 00:45:00.690
<v Sam>Because, you know, look, we're in a bad situation, but we'll do our best.

00:45:00.770 --> 00:45:03.390
<v Sam>We'll give it the good college try. Right.

00:45:04.020 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Sam>But sort of a resigned view of like, OK, we got to make this work.

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.600
<v Ivan>Yeah, we got to do this. We got to make this.

00:45:12.620 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Sam>We went from that to a few hours later, actual like enthusiasm breaking out fucking everywhere.

00:45:21.860 --> 00:45:26.080
<v Ivan>Let me let me give you a number, a stat about that.

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:29.420
<v Ivan>OK, Wall Street Journal. This is for an article in Bloomberg that I was reading

00:45:29.420 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Ivan>tonight about the polls and how how the race has shifted.

00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.800
<v Ivan>wall street journal poll found similar shifts it's

00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Ivan>talking about shifts in enthusiasm while only 37 percent

00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.680
<v Ivan>of biden voters were enthusiastic nice and

00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:51.120
<v Ivan>food and food and food and food jesus enthusiastic enthusiastic about his candidacy

00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:56.500
<v Ivan>less than a month ago now 81 percent of harris voters said they were enthusiastic

00:45:56.500 --> 00:46:02.180
<v Ivan>so from 37 to 81 percent yeah Yeah.

00:46:02.180 --> 00:46:03.240
<v Sam>Enthusiasm.

00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.300
<v Ivan>I mean, that's an important... You don't get a shift like that.

00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:13.180
<v Ivan>I mean, that's a crazy shift.

00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.260
<v Sam>And it's also important... I mean, everybody's more enthusiastic,

00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:23.060
<v Sam>but specifically some of the groups are like... Oh, yeah.

00:46:23.600 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Ivan>Speaking of groups...

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.420
<v Sam>Go ahead. You got the numbers.

00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:32.860
<v Ivan>Yeah, I got numbers. 81, you know, winning just 59% of black registered voters

00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:36.820
<v Ivan>a month ago, Harris at 69 share of Hispanic voters.

00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:42.120
<v Ivan>Okay. To 57 from 45 voters under 30 from 46 to 56.

00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:46.040
<v Ivan>So yeah. So you see, you know, all those boom, boom.

00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:50.200
<v Sam>Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. And that's the enthusiasm numbers, right? Yes.

00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:55.140
<v Sam>And like I started to mention, she became a social media phenomenon.

00:46:55.680 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Sam>Like, yes, the memes have been out of control.

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:07.620
<v Sam>There's like songs, there's like various clips of her doing things remixed into other things.

00:47:07.620 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Sam>there's and the other thing is right

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.660
<v Sam>off the bat like as soon as she came

00:47:13.660 --> 00:47:16.380
<v Sam>out the gate actually campaigning and doing

00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Sam>press releases and all that stuff she has been more

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.340
<v Sam>aggressive about going after donald trump

00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:25.520
<v Sam>than biden has been at all like just

00:47:25.520 --> 00:47:31.220
<v Sam>effectively going out and hitting him and responding to things that are happening

00:47:31.220 --> 00:47:37.260
<v Sam>in near real time and being really really aggressive about it and to the point

00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:42.720
<v Sam>and doing it in a way that resonates and gets attention as well.

00:47:43.040 --> 00:47:47.940
<v Sam>It's just the energy level from, you know, first of all, there's enthusiasm

00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Sam>of the public, but also you can

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.140
<v Sam>tell the energy, her energy level is something that Biden could not do.

00:47:54.790 --> 00:47:57.770
<v Ivan>Well, that, that is a hundred percent true. I mean, Biden could not.

00:47:57.870 --> 00:48:01.810
<v Sam>Yeah. Even when he was younger, he didn't have that kind of personality to be

00:48:01.810 --> 00:48:04.670
<v Sam>honest, but certainly when he was older, you know? No.

00:48:04.750 --> 00:48:07.590
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You ever had that personality and definitely now,

00:48:07.710 --> 00:48:10.030
<v Ivan>you know? Yeah. No, no. That, that, that is a hundred percent.

00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:14.110
<v Sam>And so she's out there, she's responding to things like the,

00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:20.950
<v Sam>you know, there's new, new posts and things from her. She's going out and doing

00:48:20.950 --> 00:48:23.370
<v Sam>rousing speeches, and people are excited.

00:48:24.130 --> 00:48:27.610
<v Sam>And you mentioned the enthusiasm polls.

00:48:28.110 --> 00:48:36.050
<v Sam>At election graphs, the state polls, like prior to Joe Biden dropping out,

00:48:36.730 --> 00:48:43.990
<v Sam>it had been months since there had been Harris polls, Harris versus Trump polls

00:48:43.990 --> 00:48:46.470
<v Sam>at the state level until the debate.

00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:51.310
<v Sam>And then there started to be a trickle of them. That trickle of them after the

00:48:51.310 --> 00:48:56.390
<v Sam>debate and before Joe Biden dropped out, the movement was basically the Harris

00:48:56.390 --> 00:49:00.770
<v Sam>versus Trump numbers were converging to the Biden versus Trump numbers.

00:49:00.870 --> 00:49:05.510
<v Sam>They were getting closer and closer together because my averages started out

00:49:05.510 --> 00:49:10.570
<v Sam>with her doing better because there are still lots of states where there hadn't been 2024 polls.

00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:15.550
<v Sam>And so there were things like, you know, if you look back, like I start my five

00:49:15.550 --> 00:49:18.490
<v Sam>poll average with the average of the previous five elections.

00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:22.830
<v Sam>Obviously goes back many, many years. But you have, for instance,

00:49:22.950 --> 00:49:27.490
<v Sam>things like, you know, Iowa, if you average out the last five elections,

00:49:27.670 --> 00:49:32.610
<v Sam>actually very close because there have been years it was blue and years that it was red.

00:49:32.870 --> 00:49:38.690
<v Sam>Iowa is now pretty reliably red. We have zero polls so far of Harris versus Trump in Iowa.

00:49:38.910 --> 00:49:43.610
<v Sam>So my average in Iowa still shows that it's close, but it probably really isn't.

00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:47.990
<v Sam>And the same is true of a couple more states that have gotten redder over Their

00:49:47.990 --> 00:49:51.930
<v Sam>states got bluer over time too, but on balance,

00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:59.570
<v Sam>the position as we got more 2024 polls looked worse and worse for Harris,

00:49:59.670 --> 00:50:01.670
<v Sam>and it was converging to the Biden numbers.

00:50:02.290 --> 00:50:09.970
<v Sam>That trend reversed as soon as Biden actually dropped out and she became the

00:50:09.970 --> 00:50:12.670
<v Sam>real candidate and all of this attention started happening.

00:50:12.670 --> 00:50:15.730
<v Sam>happening we've i mean it's only been a few days my

00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:18.730
<v Sam>god it's been like what five and a half days or something

00:50:18.730 --> 00:50:23.310
<v Sam>since that since the announcement it's been three weeks but there have now been

00:50:23.310 --> 00:50:29.030
<v Sam>a flood of harris versus trump polls and practically with every one that comes

00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:36.190
<v Sam>out harris's numbers improve and so you know we still have like a lot of states

00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:38.390
<v Sam>where we don't have good data yet But,

00:50:38.510 --> 00:50:42.690
<v Sam>you know, we're, we're, it's filling in fast and as it's filling in,

00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:44.490
<v Sam>Harris is looking better and better.

00:50:44.670 --> 00:50:51.570
<v Sam>And at this, and along with the national polls that also show like that gap,

00:50:51.790 --> 00:50:57.690
<v Sam>you know, I'd meant, you know, we, we mentioned that after the debate on average

00:50:57.690 --> 00:51:03.630
<v Sam>in the national polls, Trump Biden lost four percentage again,

00:51:03.750 --> 00:51:06.750
<v Sam>about, about four percent. Yeah, I know. I know.

00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:12.890
<v Sam>That the, the, the initial batch of Harris versus Trump polls,

00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.410
<v Sam>dead heat again, dead heat.

00:51:15.510 --> 00:51:21.250
<v Sam>So she's right out of the gate within the first week doing significantly better

00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:22.970
<v Sam>than Biden and the national polls.

00:51:23.050 --> 00:51:25.890
<v Sam>And it's starting to look like that in the state polls too, are the,

00:51:25.910 --> 00:51:28.930
<v Sam>although we still need more to feel confident about that.

00:51:28.930 --> 00:51:33.890
<v Ivan>I saw, I mean, I saw a number of state polls that really had some huge swings

00:51:33.890 --> 00:51:35.570
<v Ivan>to Harris, like Minnesota.

00:51:35.590 --> 00:51:39.530
<v Ivan>I think I saw in some other places where they were like polls that, holy shit.

00:51:39.630 --> 00:51:41.730
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, they, they really.

00:51:41.730 --> 00:51:43.150
<v Sam>Yeah, comparing to Biden.

00:51:44.050 --> 00:51:45.230
<v Ivan>Yeah, comparing to Biden.

00:51:45.350 --> 00:51:50.530
<v Sam>When you look at the averages, it does seem like gut feel.

00:51:52.450 --> 00:51:57.690
<v Sam>About that 3% or 4% better than Biden was doing in most states, it looks like.

00:51:59.990 --> 00:52:03.770
<v Sam>We're getting a ton of these, and we're going to have even more over the next

00:52:03.770 --> 00:52:07.070
<v Sam>week, I'm sure. We'll have a much better picture in another week.

00:52:07.250 --> 00:52:10.630
<v Sam>The other thing is, and just to keep this in mind...

00:52:11.730 --> 00:52:15.590
<v Sam>It's very possible that there'll be an initial bounce that fades a little bit,

00:52:15.690 --> 00:52:20.290
<v Sam>but here's the other thing. Well, I want two things to cover.

00:52:21.970 --> 00:52:26.270
<v Sam>Let's talk more about Harris and her campaign and Trump reacting to them.

00:52:26.390 --> 00:52:34.610
<v Sam>But before we move on completely, I just want to go back a second to the way that Biden did this.

00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:37.530
<v Ivan>That's what I wanted to get back to that.

00:52:37.550 --> 00:52:44.390
<v Sam>We skipped over that. The whole way that he did... He was clearly pushed out. He did not want to go.

00:52:44.710 --> 00:52:48.950
<v Sam>But once he decided he was going to go, all of these...

00:52:48.950 --> 00:52:51.330
<v Ivan>Well, let's be clear about this. Okay, wait, wait. Hold on one second.

00:52:51.490 --> 00:52:51.650
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:52:52.010 --> 00:52:54.930
<v Ivan>You know, Biden is the only one that could decide to get out.

00:52:54.950 --> 00:52:55.150
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:52:55.270 --> 00:53:00.890
<v Ivan>Okay, all right. You know, the push out... You know, Biden was basically... You know, how do I say?

00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:05.010
<v Ivan>He was... He was pushed out isn't the right thing. Biden was basically...

00:53:05.830 --> 00:53:07.870
<v Ivan>You know, he was...

00:53:08.730 --> 00:53:13.250
<v Ivan>They cornered him, and I think that the part that became an issue,

00:53:13.310 --> 00:53:17.490
<v Ivan>which I think that probably he saw as a significant challenge,

00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:25.630
<v Ivan>was how money started to be completely dry up. Okay. Yeah.

00:53:26.170 --> 00:53:32.210
<v Ivan>With the big, with big money donors, they, they had started withholding money.

00:53:32.350 --> 00:53:38.470
<v Ivan>So I, I think that that was definitely the part where, look,

00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:39.930
<v Ivan>you could have done a Trump.

00:53:40.450 --> 00:53:45.630
<v Ivan>I mean, Trump never, Trump would have never, I mean, you know,

00:53:45.650 --> 00:53:48.330
<v Ivan>the Republican party and everybody could have said, well, you know,

00:53:48.330 --> 00:53:50.850
<v Ivan>whole bunch of donors said, we're not giving you a dollar.

00:53:50.890 --> 00:53:57.130
<v Ivan>He never back away. way he could have done that but the reality is that he.

00:53:58.090 --> 00:54:05.990
<v Ivan>I think that to him it was look I need all these things lined up in order to win right,

00:54:06.790 --> 00:54:13.670
<v Ivan>and the allies I'm counting on are not there the money is not there so it winds

00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:21.090
<v Ivan>up on him deciding okay I can hang on they can't really force me out do I do that,

00:54:21.830 --> 00:54:27.270
<v Ivan>And, you know, bring upon the nation, maybe some very negative consequences

00:54:27.270 --> 00:54:29.190
<v Ivan>that I don't want on the nation.

00:54:29.250 --> 00:54:35.110
<v Ivan>Or do I just, you know what, I go and I make what tactically is the best decision

00:54:35.110 --> 00:54:39.310
<v Ivan>for everybody, even though it's not, I, I, I, I don't agree with everybody's

00:54:39.310 --> 00:54:40.930
<v Ivan>opinion about what they're assessing about it.

00:54:41.010 --> 00:54:46.210
<v Ivan>But sometimes, you know, it is perception is reality and it doesn't matter if,

00:54:46.290 --> 00:54:52.610
<v Ivan>if the, you know, the narrative is wrong. I mean, the reality is you get caught in it and I mean.

00:54:52.630 --> 00:54:56.290
<v Sam>You can't do anything about it. In the end, he made the assessment that fair

00:54:56.290 --> 00:55:03.990
<v Sam>or not, he was now in a situation where what had already, what was already going

00:55:03.990 --> 00:55:06.890
<v Sam>to be a hard race was going to be even harder.

00:55:07.330 --> 00:55:10.510
<v Sam>And he didn't even have his own team behind him.

00:55:10.930 --> 00:55:18.810
<v Sam>And making a shift at that time would give the Democrats a better chance. now the and.

00:55:18.810 --> 00:55:22.130
<v Ivan>The one thing is that the timing if it was going to happen it

00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:24.830
<v Ivan>had to be now yeah well it

00:55:24.830 --> 00:55:30.710
<v Ivan>couldn't there was you know this was and i and i you know i think we talked

00:55:30.710 --> 00:55:34.450
<v Ivan>about this a little bit earlier is like you know whatever and i said look the

00:55:34.450 --> 00:55:39.910
<v Ivan>one thing i i had said about this if this is going to happen this is when it

00:55:39.910 --> 00:55:43.950
<v Ivan>needs to happen well it can't be in september well and no no no.

00:55:43.950 --> 00:55:47.710
<v Sam>It It can't be in September, like after the convention would make everything

00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:54.890
<v Sam>much harder, but already like it, it was clear the people who wanted him out were not stopping.

00:55:55.450 --> 00:56:00.050
<v Ivan>And so, and I know, but, but the whole, the whole thing is that,

00:56:00.070 --> 00:56:01.590
<v Ivan>look, they couldn't listen.

00:56:01.770 --> 00:56:04.850
<v Sam>You couldn't let this had already gone on three weeks. You couldn't let it go on.

00:56:04.870 --> 00:56:11.110
<v Ivan>You know, you could, I mean, like I said, you could, but it's like.

00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:14.090
<v Sam>It would be, it It depends on who the person.

00:56:14.350 --> 00:56:18.330
<v Ivan>No, no. But look, it depends on who you are as a person.

00:56:19.100 --> 00:56:24.140
<v Ivan>It really boiled down to that at that moment. Okay. Well, if it was Donald Trump

00:56:24.140 --> 00:56:25.980
<v Ivan>in the same situation. He would have pushed on.

00:56:26.140 --> 00:56:31.760
<v Ivan>And he would have powered on through the whole fucking thing all the way through.

00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:39.300
<v Sam>But Joe Biden knew that continuing to power on through this situation would

00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:42.160
<v Sam>not necessarily make the situation better.

00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:43.500
<v Ivan>No.

00:56:43.560 --> 00:56:47.060
<v Sam>And he knew he was already damaged. he knew

00:56:47.060 --> 00:56:54.660
<v Sam>that you know at this point like doing the switch was almost yeah like like

00:56:54.660 --> 00:57:00.660
<v Sam>you said yes he could have powered on but to have a good outcome he probably

00:57:00.660 --> 00:57:06.260
<v Sam>needed to drop out at that point it was it was too late to recover from the internal pressure yeah.

00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:10.440
<v Ivan>And the problem is that the internal pressure is like i said you know none of

00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.740
<v Ivan>these people were backing down look in the week Listen,

00:57:12.940 --> 00:57:19.640
<v Ivan>in the week before, you know, during the RNC, you know, powerful Democrats were

00:57:19.640 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Ivan>using other Democrats to continue to pressure Biden.

00:57:24.200 --> 00:57:28.040
<v Ivan>Like this whole Adam Schiff thing, for example, that happened and other stuff

00:57:28.040 --> 00:57:32.300
<v Ivan>and whatnot, which to me, it seemed like, okay, you know, hey,

00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Ivan>which one of us is going to volunteer to go and be the pressure guy?

00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.620
<v Ivan>And he once said, okay, I'm doing it. Okay.

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:46.120
<v Ivan>You know, it's like I said, look, if you to go and do something like this, you need the allies.

00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:50.820
<v Ivan>Okay. And if none of these people are willing to go and like do like,

00:57:51.020 --> 00:57:55.160
<v Ivan>I don't know, what the hell is the name of the speaker at a house?

00:57:55.220 --> 00:57:56.860
<v Ivan>The guy that the porn monitor?

00:57:57.240 --> 00:58:01.820
<v Ivan>What's his name? Mike Johnson, right? Is it Mike Johnson? Is that douchebag called Mike Johnson?

00:58:01.900 --> 00:58:02.180
<v Sam>Yes.

00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:03.240
<v Ivan>Speaker at a house?

00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Sam>Yes. Okay.

00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:09.260
<v Ivan>Yeah. I don't know. Just double check. You know, like Mike Johnson go out to

00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Ivan>fucking court after Trump gets convicted, literally convicted of 34 fucking

00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:17.200
<v Ivan>felonies. And these fucking clowns are all over there.

00:58:17.220 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Ivan>Oh, we're with you. Yes, you're our criminal.

00:58:21.460 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Sam>So, I mean, so.

00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.460
<v Ivan>I mean, seriously, not even Bob

00:58:25.460 --> 00:58:30.720
<v Ivan>Menendez, who fucking has powered through everything, even he's resigning.

00:58:30.720 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Sam>So getting back to what Biden did, basically, when he decided he was going to

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:41.800
<v Sam>get out, he decided he was going to control how and when he was going to do

00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:43.580
<v Sam>it and who would be his successor.

00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:51.380
<v Sam>And so, first of all, on timing, he probably decided a few days at least before

00:58:51.380 --> 00:58:52.640
<v Sam>he actually made the announcement.

00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:58.680
<v Sam>I, it might've even been as early as the previous weekend, but I think timing

00:58:58.680 --> 00:59:02.180
<v Sam>wise, he also knew wait till the RNC is over.

00:59:03.120 --> 00:59:06.720
<v Ivan>Oh yeah, it was the perfect moment because if you get the bump into whatever,

00:59:06.940 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Ivan>what not from them, blah, blah, blah, go and fucking just, just jam this right through.

00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:15.900
<v Ivan>So basically you completely knock out their narrative.

00:59:15.980 --> 00:59:18.740
<v Sam>Well, cause on, on the other hand, I was thinking for a little bit like,

00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:22.460
<v Sam>okay, we had three weeks of this chaos. This had to be harmful.

00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.120
<v Sam>Wouldn't it have been better if Biden had just dropped out immediately after

00:59:26.120 --> 00:59:29.100
<v Sam>the debate? But no, no, it would not have.

00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:32.380
<v Sam>This was, this is much better timing. you have

00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:35.320
<v Sam>the three weeks of chaos but then he drops out right after

00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:41.440
<v Sam>the rnc it maximizes the effectiveness of that change and you know he also screwed

00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.620
<v Sam>the media a little bit by waiting till after all the sunday morning shows were

00:59:44.620 --> 00:59:50.260
<v Sam>over you know there's a little tiny bit of additional you know but you know

00:59:50.260 --> 00:59:53.820
<v Sam>but the main thing was waiting till after whatever i'm.

00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:57.540
<v Ivan>Like give me a fucking break yeah but what the fuck do that many fucking favors.

00:59:57.540 --> 01:00:01.180
<v Sam>Right and so but then the The Kamala announcement,

01:00:01.580 --> 01:00:07.260
<v Sam>his endorsement of Kamala Harris, he just immediately kneecapped all of those

01:00:07.260 --> 01:00:12.120
<v Sam>people who wanted to get rid of both of them and wanted to have the whole open

01:00:12.120 --> 01:00:15.460
<v Sam>primary and we'll have votes at the convention.

01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:21.420
<v Sam>And there were a whole bunch of people arguing that the crazy convention would

01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Sam>actually excite everybody and blah, blah, blah.

01:00:23.700 --> 01:00:28.040
<v Sam>And like you said, there are a bunch of people who are sort of angling to get

01:00:28.040 --> 01:00:31.580
<v Sam>one of their folks in. You know, not listen.

01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:35.760
<v Ivan>Given the circular firing squad that happened the last three weeks,

01:00:35.900 --> 01:00:40.600
<v Ivan>what the hell would give me the impression that an open convention wouldn't

01:00:40.600 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Ivan>wind up being another circular firing squad?

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:50.200
<v Sam>Yeah. And like we've said for weeks and weeks, if you did replace Biden and

01:00:50.200 --> 01:00:52.560
<v Sam>it was anybody other than Harris.

01:00:53.470 --> 01:01:00.250
<v Sam>That would be disastrous in its own way. Like if you screwed over Kamala Harris. I, oh my God.

01:01:00.430 --> 01:01:05.430
<v Ivan>I mean, the, the, you know, the, the congressional cock, you know,

01:01:05.430 --> 01:01:06.430
<v Ivan>what the hell is their name?

01:01:07.090 --> 01:01:11.750
<v Sam>Congressional caucus or congressional backlog. Which caucus are you talking about? There are many.

01:01:12.210 --> 01:01:13.030
<v Ivan>Them. Yes.

01:01:13.150 --> 01:01:13.330
<v Sam>Yes.

01:01:13.330 --> 01:01:15.250
<v Ivan>You know how pissed those people would have been.

01:01:15.450 --> 01:01:16.110
<v Sam>Oh yeah.

01:01:16.610 --> 01:01:19.090
<v Ivan>And imagine passing it up to some other white dude.

01:01:19.410 --> 01:01:23.310
<v Sam>Right. You know, yes. Yeah.

01:01:23.470 --> 01:01:28.150
<v Sam>Like you, you, you give it to, you know, what's his name in California?

01:01:28.330 --> 01:01:30.870
<v Sam>Newsome or something. Newsome or Shapiro or whatever.

01:01:31.590 --> 01:01:32.070
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:32.130 --> 01:01:38.150
<v Sam>Just some, some random white dude who's more centrist and, you know,

01:01:38.150 --> 01:01:43.350
<v Sam>cause a big part of this was driven by the quote unquote donor class as well.

01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:48.530
<v Sam>And so a lot of the impression was they, they wanted to get somebody who'd be

01:01:48.530 --> 01:01:54.630
<v Sam>a little bit more aligned with their interests as like rich white dudes. You know, I mean.

01:01:54.670 --> 01:01:59.970
<v Ivan>Listen, we've had like I was talking about all the tech bros and all these other people.

01:02:00.010 --> 01:02:01.850
<v Sam>I mean, they're mostly Trump Republican ticket.

01:02:01.850 --> 01:02:07.450
<v Ivan>Yeah, I mean, right. But but you still had a whole bunch of you still had some others to you.

01:02:07.490 --> 01:02:11.450
<v Ivan>You've got listen, you've got the guys that wanted to fucking trot out mansion.

01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Sam>I mean come on no i i just laughed at that i'm like are.

01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:19.680
<v Ivan>You fucking kidding me.

01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:22.780
<v Sam>He if he had put his name in contention

01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:28.300
<v Sam>at an open convention he'd be lucky if he got like five delegates out of thousands

01:02:28.300 --> 01:02:33.900
<v Sam>to vote for him like probably the democrats that you know he he's left the democratic

01:02:33.900 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Sam>party he would have to rejoin in order to even do that but like none he was not loved at best he was

01:02:41.380 --> 01:02:44.340
<v Sam>like no it's like okay tolerate it's like okay he

01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Sam>was tolerated he's better than a republican it's a

01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.720
<v Sam>miracle that we have somebody in west virginia who'll even

01:02:49.720 --> 01:02:52.880
<v Sam>vote with us some of the time you know yes and

01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.780
<v Sam>so he was tolerated because of that anyway yeah he

01:02:55.780 --> 01:03:02.840
<v Sam>not so but i think this is i think a lot of those people including pelosi including

01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Sam>others like saw biden do that and we're like you know we got biden out but the

01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.880
<v Sam>rest of our plan just collapsed well.

01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.820
<v Ivan>That well well that was my whole point about you know where you're talking about

01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:22.100
<v Ivan>for you know force out i'm like look the only guy who could decide to leave

01:03:22.100 --> 01:03:28.600
<v Ivan>was him and biden decided okay all right all you assholes are not you know that

01:03:28.600 --> 01:03:32.620
<v Ivan>i've done you know but the the fucking guys that are perpetrated this This entire,

01:03:32.780 --> 01:03:36.020
<v Ivan>you know, a lot of this shit happening the last three weeks.

01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:39.620
<v Ivan>Okay, fine. I'll leave. I'm fucking leaving on my fucking terms.

01:03:39.820 --> 01:03:42.700
<v Ivan>Not, you know, you guys don't get to dictate how I go.

01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:45.640
<v Ivan>These guys couldn't dictate me to go into first place. Bye.

01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:52.980
<v Ivan>I'll give you this and not anything else. Right. And I'm perfectly happy with that.

01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:58.440
<v Sam>And by the way, I picked Kamala Harris for a reason. I believe in her.

01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:01.980
<v Sam>I think she'd make a good president. it. I've been working with her closely

01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:08.260
<v Sam>for nearly four years and yeah here we go like and.

01:04:08.260 --> 01:04:09.920
<v Ivan>I guess she's not fucking couches,

01:04:11.080 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Ivan>Which apparently is not a true, apparently is a correction.

01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:16.960
<v Sam>I meant to do that correction at the very beginning of the show,

01:04:17.020 --> 01:04:20.540
<v Sam>but forgot. Yes, J.D. Vance, well.

01:04:20.640 --> 01:04:22.460
<v Ivan>Did not write in his book, okay.

01:04:22.520 --> 01:04:23.740
<v Sam>Yes, let's be careful.

01:04:23.740 --> 01:04:27.660
<v Ivan>Because what you said was, let's be clear, we're not saying that he didn't do

01:04:27.660 --> 01:04:29.780
<v Ivan>it. Right. Because we can't know for sure.

01:04:30.100 --> 01:04:35.000
<v Ivan>But what you said was that he wrote about it in the book.

01:04:35.060 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Sam>Right.

01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.380
<v Ivan>Hillbilly Elegy. And apparently that's not correct.

01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:42.600
<v Sam>Apparently that's not true. There was a hoax perpetuated by somebody on Twitter

01:04:42.600 --> 01:04:47.020
<v Sam>who said so and produced some fake images of a page in the book, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Sam>And yeah, so he did not have sex with a couch.

01:04:52.420 --> 01:04:53.040
<v Ivan>No, no, no.

01:04:53.060 --> 01:04:56.740
<v Sam>Oh, no, no. He did not write about. Like, I mean, the actual thing.

01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:59.100
<v Sam>I mean, who hasn't? I mean, come on.

01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Sam>You know, so.

01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.980
<v Ivan>Trying to think. Not a couch.

01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:05.980
<v Sam>Not a couch.

01:05:05.980 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Ivan>I mean, I've had sex on a couch, but not with the couch. Not with the couch.

01:05:12.460 --> 01:05:18.620
<v Sam>Right. But here's the thing. I saw someone saying, you know,

01:05:18.740 --> 01:05:23.180
<v Sam>all of these people figuring out how to do opposition research on J.D.

01:05:23.180 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Sam>Vance, and some stone teenager just makes up a post about this.

01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:31.840
<v Sam>And all of a sudden, he's having to deny it.

01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.020
<v Ivan>And and like their.

01:05:34.020 --> 01:05:40.060
<v Sam>Memes all over the internet about couches and all of this kind of stuff and like you know.

01:05:40.060 --> 01:05:43.340
<v Ivan>Hey hey hey you know what how how

01:05:43.340 --> 01:05:47.600
<v Ivan>many years of me listening to the fact that apparently joe biden is a clone

01:05:47.600 --> 01:05:52.320
<v Ivan>okay what alex just said that joe biden apparently is a clone this is a clone

01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Ivan>that's in the white house okay that's one of the latest ones you know be listening

01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Ivan>to this shit you know we you know what let's i mean let's just fuck with these

01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:03.120
<v Ivan>guys for a little or something where there are bullshit. You know, what the hell?

01:06:03.820 --> 01:06:11.620
<v Sam>So anyway, uh, getting back to, we've got all of this enthusiasm on the Harris side.

01:06:11.740 --> 01:06:17.600
<v Sam>We've got Harris, like it's actually been amazing to see we're like five days

01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:22.140
<v Sam>in and she completely ramped up this campaign.

01:06:22.680 --> 01:06:26.980
<v Sam>Now, you know, she had to have an idea that this might be coming. So there might've been.

01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Ivan>I, yeah, and I'm sure. And, and, and let's be clear, you know,

01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.320
<v Ivan>Biden endorsed her directly.

01:06:34.420 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Ivan>He basically told us handed over the campaign infrastructure.

01:06:38.380 --> 01:06:42.380
<v Ivan>Listen, exactly. You know, you were all on this team.

01:06:42.460 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. And so that obviously makes it quite a lot smoother.

01:06:47.060 --> 01:06:53.460
<v Sam>And, and look, I mean, even within the last few minutes, I just saw pass by

01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:57.180
<v Sam>a new press release. she put out, like critiquing, you know,

01:06:57.180 --> 01:06:59.440
<v Sam>a speech that Donald Trump just did.

01:06:59.540 --> 01:07:05.820
<v Sam>That's like, you know, here Harris for president statement on Trump's strange

01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:10.460
<v Sam>speech at TP USA, uh, Harris for president toilet paper USA.

01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:11.760
<v Ivan>There's a convention turning.

01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:13.160
<v Sam>Point Harris for.

01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:16.100
<v Ivan>Oh, Harris for president sounded better as okay.

01:07:16.680 --> 01:07:19.800
<v Sam>Spokesman released the following statement tonight. Tonight,

01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:25.020
<v Sam>Donald Trump couldn't pronounce words, insulted the faith of Jewish and Catholic Americans,

01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.540
<v Sam>lied about the election again, lied about other stuff, bragged about repealing

01:07:29.540 --> 01:07:33.360
<v Sam>Roe, proposed cutting billions in education funding, announced he would appoint

01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:37.420
<v Sam>more extremist judges, revealed he planned to fill a second Trump term with

01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:39.020
<v Sam>more criminals like himself,

01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:44.180
<v Sam>attacked lawful voting, went on and on and on, and generally sounded like someone

01:07:44.180 --> 01:07:48.160
<v Sam>you wouldn't want to sit near in a restaurant, let alone be president of the

01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:49.820
<v Sam>United States. That was the statement.

01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.540
<v Sam>You know, it sounds pretty good. And look, you know, single statements like

01:07:55.540 --> 01:07:57.740
<v Sam>this aren't going to turn the direction of election.

01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:04.160
<v Sam>But the fact that the campaign is on this stuff and putting out these kind of

01:08:04.160 --> 01:08:07.800
<v Sam>aggressive responses nearly instantly after something happens,

01:08:07.940 --> 01:08:11.020
<v Sam>this is just the difference in tone and energy that we talked about before.

01:08:11.160 --> 01:08:15.660
<v Sam>This is just like, you can't like Joe Biden and his campaign.

01:08:15.740 --> 01:08:19.200
<v Sam>And I know, like you said, a lot of the campaign infrastructure is the same,

01:08:19.220 --> 01:08:20.480
<v Sam>but they weren't doing this kind of shit.

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.840
<v Sam>They were doing every once in a while. They tried, but it wasn't landing.

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:27.460
<v Sam>They tried every once in a while.

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:33.600
<v Sam>Meanwhile, Harris and her new campaign apparatus are far more aggressive.

01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:37.040
<v Sam>She's being much more aggressive. She's leaning into all of this stuff.

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:44.360
<v Ivan>And well, but there's another thing here that I want to check that you you disagreed with me.

01:08:44.400 --> 01:08:49.960
<v Ivan>OK, but but I I totally believe is also helping. Yes. Go for it, Harris. us.

01:08:50.320 --> 01:08:55.200
<v Ivan>Well, the fact that because you advocated, oh, if he's leaving.

01:08:55.300 --> 01:08:57.660
<v Sam>He should resign too. Yeah. I did say that on.

01:08:57.660 --> 01:09:01.140
<v Ivan>The committee for Slack and I told you you're out of your mind.

01:09:01.340 --> 01:09:04.280
<v Sam>Okay. All right. Because at this point, I think there's enough evidence that

01:09:04.280 --> 01:09:06.940
<v Sam>you were right. Then I will admit I was wrong about that too. Go ahead.

01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:13.340
<v Ivan>Because look, a campaign by itself is training enough And running this country,

01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:17.460
<v Ivan>you know, is hard as well.

01:09:17.620 --> 01:09:22.600
<v Ivan>There is a lot to do. It's very difficult to juggle both.

01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:28.600
<v Ivan>And the fact that she could focus on the campaign pretty much exclusively. Okay. All right.

01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:35.040
<v Ivan>And Joe and the cabinet could worry about all the other stuff makes it that

01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:39.400
<v Ivan>she could be far more effective at actively campaigning out there and getting

01:09:39.400 --> 01:09:42.660
<v Ivan>the message out. You really, you know.

01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:47.580
<v Sam>I mean, what, what, what I, what I had said, which again, I admit I was wrong,

01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:53.440
<v Sam>was that if he also resigned, he hands over the incumbency advantage.

01:09:53.660 --> 01:09:58.300
<v Sam>He hands over, you know, the powers of the office and everything else that she

01:09:58.300 --> 01:10:02.580
<v Sam>could use to influence things that the downsides are a everything you just mentioned,

01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:07.240
<v Sam>but be also anything that goes wrong in the next six months,

01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:09.240
<v Sam>she would immediately be blamed for.

01:10:09.240 --> 01:10:12.500
<v Ivan>And now she's like, look, it doesn't matter.

01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:17.800
<v Ivan>Anything goes good. I can take credit. And basically, if anything goes wrong, it wasn't me.

01:10:18.100 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Sam>Exactly. So I think you're right. I think they...

01:10:24.550 --> 01:10:30.090
<v Sam>Yes, Joe Biden was pushed, but in the end, I think he orchestrated all of this fucking perfectly.

01:10:30.650 --> 01:10:35.370
<v Sam>This is the best possible way to have done this transition, which brings us

01:10:35.370 --> 01:10:40.050
<v Sam>to the other part, which is the Republicans are absolutely flailing and have

01:10:40.050 --> 01:10:42.510
<v Sam>no freaking idea how to deal with this.

01:10:43.270 --> 01:10:46.530
<v Ivan>They're going. They're going. I mean, they're losing their minds.

01:10:46.810 --> 01:10:49.710
<v Sam>I mean, they'll probably figure it out before November, but still,

01:10:49.770 --> 01:10:52.030
<v Sam>right now, it's glorious to see.

01:10:53.250 --> 01:10:56.270
<v Ivan>I don't know. I really don't know.

01:10:56.510 --> 01:11:02.490
<v Ivan>Because, let's be clear, J.D. Vance was a terrible pick for VP.

01:11:02.650 --> 01:11:07.010
<v Sam>Oh, people are already talking about, like, will Trump dump him before the election?

01:11:07.250 --> 01:11:08.750
<v Sam>You know, what would be involved in that?

01:11:08.750 --> 01:11:12.110
<v Ivan>I think it's very possible. I gotta be honest. I think it's very possible.

01:11:12.430 --> 01:11:18.650
<v Ivan>I mean, the guy is a meme a minute. I mean, you've never seen it.

01:11:18.830 --> 01:11:21.590
<v Sam>We talked about the couch thing. he had

01:11:21.590 --> 01:11:24.390
<v Sam>also there's here the cat

01:11:24.390 --> 01:11:27.250
<v Sam>woman thing that yes the couch thing

01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:30.150
<v Sam>the cat woman thing he's picking fights with

01:11:30.150 --> 01:11:33.270
<v Sam>jennifer aniston over the cat thing like right

01:11:33.270 --> 01:11:36.230
<v Sam>you know okay you got any

01:11:36.230 --> 01:11:41.710
<v Sam>more really popular celebrities you want a child childless women yeah he's he's

01:11:41.710 --> 01:11:46.890
<v Sam>talking about how like you're you're the one of the problems with the democrats

01:11:46.890 --> 01:11:51.710
<v Sam>is they're turning the party over to people without biological children and

01:11:51.710 --> 01:11:54.530
<v Sam>leaving out stepchildren adoptions,

01:11:54.530 --> 01:11:56.370
<v Sam>all of this kind of stuff, or,

01:11:56.430 --> 01:12:00.070
<v Sam>and let alone the people who don't have children at all, which is a perfectly

01:12:00.070 --> 01:12:01.810
<v Sam>valid choice, but he doesn't think so.

01:12:02.210 --> 01:12:03.570
<v Ivan>No, he doesn't think so.

01:12:03.650 --> 01:12:10.050
<v Sam>No, you know, but you got all that. And, and then also like he was heavily known

01:12:10.050 --> 01:12:13.170
<v Sam>like in 2016 as a never Trumper.

01:12:13.170 --> 01:12:17.830
<v Sam>and there's like a nice right there's a nice little quote of him talking about

01:12:17.830 --> 01:12:22.850
<v Sam>how he's never trumper which of course someone has remixed into a song you know

01:12:22.850 --> 01:12:28.050
<v Sam>it's like a little techno song he was.

01:12:28.050 --> 01:12:32.450
<v Ivan>Like i mean did he say he was you know basically he was our hitler well.

01:12:32.450 --> 01:12:36.890
<v Sam>He his exact statement was he wasn't sure if he was our hitler or something

01:12:36.890 --> 01:12:39.010
<v Sam>else but but no he said well i.

01:12:39.010 --> 01:12:42.110
<v Ivan>Mean what that's what that's the level of comparison no.

01:12:42.110 --> 01:12:46.470
<v Sam>I know but But in the song, he talks about how he's a never-Trumper,

01:12:46.530 --> 01:12:50.170
<v Sam>how he doesn't really like Trump, how whatever. And it's all over.

01:12:50.550 --> 01:12:55.550
<v Sam>If you go into TikTok and start scrolling, you'll find this pretty damn quick.

01:12:55.770 --> 01:12:59.090
<v Sam>Now, of course, I say that, but TikTok knows I like this stuff.

01:12:59.270 --> 01:13:00.770
<v Sam>So, of course, it shows me more.

01:13:01.250 --> 01:13:05.630
<v Sam>But the Kamala Harris stuff is all over the place. It's doing well.

01:13:05.870 --> 01:13:07.810
<v Sam>But here's the thing. Fundamentally.

01:13:08.510 --> 01:13:17.370
<v Sam>For nearly two years now, Donald Trump's case for the election has all been about Joe Biden.

01:13:17.650 --> 01:13:23.390
<v Sam>Like it's all been Joe Biden's old. He's senile. He's this. He's that.

01:13:23.750 --> 01:13:27.070
<v Ivan>Well, now who's the old senile bastard on the ballot?

01:13:27.150 --> 01:13:32.550
<v Sam>Now he's the old senile one. He is now the oldest candidate ever to have been

01:13:32.550 --> 01:13:33.790
<v Sam>nominated by their party.

01:13:33.850 --> 01:13:36.510
<v Sam>Because, of course, Biden isn't being nominated by his party.

01:13:36.510 --> 01:13:39.170
<v Sam>So Donald Trump is now the oldest ever nominated.

01:13:39.410 --> 01:13:45.830
<v Sam>And of course, before the debate, we were talking about how Donald Trump himself

01:13:45.830 --> 01:13:49.810
<v Sam>was increasingly incoherent at his events and stuff like that.

01:13:49.930 --> 01:13:54.950
<v Sam>Now, we have yet to see a really big pickup in the media talking about that.

01:13:55.030 --> 01:13:58.990
<v Sam>But Harris is bringing that in there in a way that Biden wasn't because Biden

01:13:58.990 --> 01:14:03.910
<v Sam>couldn't. Biden couldn't start hitting Donald Trump about his age or how he

01:14:03.910 --> 01:14:07.630
<v Sam>was confused or how he did because it would all bounce back on him.

01:14:07.690 --> 01:14:12.630
<v Ivan>Kamala could completely just damn the torpedoes right now.

01:14:12.690 --> 01:14:17.410
<v Ivan>Just hit him with everything on being a doddering old fool.

01:14:17.730 --> 01:14:22.730
<v Sam>Yeah. He's old. He's confused. He doesn't know what he's doing and all of the

01:14:22.730 --> 01:14:25.150
<v Sam>other things that are disastrous about him. He's a criminal.

01:14:25.410 --> 01:14:29.350
<v Sam>You've got the whole, I'm a prosecutor. He's a felon thing going on.

01:14:29.510 --> 01:14:33.650
<v Ivan>Oh, speaking of like shark batteries and other stuff or whatever,

01:14:33.830 --> 01:14:38.550
<v Ivan>what is this thing now that I was seeing about J.D. Vance also about apparently

01:14:38.550 --> 01:14:40.550
<v Ivan>his searches on sex with dolphins?

01:14:41.690 --> 01:14:48.830
<v Sam>He had made a tweet promoting an article about a woman who had been molested by a dolphin,

01:14:48.970 --> 01:14:54.990
<v Sam>but the words that were highlighted in the screenshot of the tweet or whatever

01:14:54.990 --> 01:14:59.530
<v Sam>indicated that he had done a search on the terms woman dolphin.

01:15:01.770 --> 01:15:02.250
<v Ivan>Dolphin.

01:15:02.250 --> 01:15:08.590
<v Sam>Now it may have been that he had seen this article and was searching for it

01:15:08.590 --> 01:15:12.410
<v Sam>to find the article that he, but you know, he was regardless,

01:15:12.770 --> 01:15:18.470
<v Sam>he was spreading one of these articles about a dolphin molesting a woman in

01:15:18.470 --> 01:15:24.870
<v Sam>the water, blah, blah, blah, which by the way, male dolphins are known to do, you know, I've heard.

01:15:24.910 --> 01:15:29.870
<v Ivan>I've heard, I've heard something about this i can't say that yeah so much about the dolphin but.

01:15:29.870 --> 01:15:35.730
<v Sam>Apparently like if if you're a woman or even a man and the male dolphin likes

01:15:35.730 --> 01:15:41.030
<v Sam>you the male dolphin will try to rape you but you know.

01:15:41.030 --> 01:15:43.690
<v Ivan>Oh that's that's that's that's great well.

01:15:43.690 --> 01:15:45.430
<v Sam>I guess it depends on the dolphin.

01:15:45.430 --> 01:15:50.530
<v Ivan>You know i have swabbed with dolphins i i have to the dolphin did not try to

01:15:50.530 --> 01:15:53.270
<v Ivan>rape you no no not nothing of the sort probably.

01:15:53.270 --> 01:15:55.450
<v Sam>Good I mean I guess it doesn't.

01:15:55.450 --> 01:16:00.330
<v Ivan>Happen all the time I must admit I must admit I did not want to do it my wife

01:16:00.330 --> 01:16:03.290
<v Ivan>was the one that wanted to do it and basically I got dragged into the water

01:16:03.290 --> 01:16:06.610
<v Ivan>and doing this stupid dolphin swim thing which is really dumb.

01:16:07.930 --> 01:16:09.570
<v Sam>So I take it you didn't enjoy it.

01:16:10.050 --> 01:16:11.070
<v Ivan>Not particularly.

01:16:11.230 --> 01:16:15.850
<v Sam>Maybe if you had had sex with the dolphin, you would feel different.

01:16:16.230 --> 01:16:18.790
<v Ivan>I don't think that that would have helped.

01:16:18.890 --> 01:16:22.870
<v Sam>Okay, good. Yeah. Let's move on from this topic.

01:16:22.970 --> 01:16:29.250
<v Sam>I don't feel like we need to go further in this direction. Couches, dolphins.

01:16:29.290 --> 01:16:33.050
<v Ivan>I mean, this is Vince. I don't know what the fuck else he's done.

01:16:33.050 --> 01:16:36.470
<v Ivan>You know, the I mean, I mean, J.D.

01:16:36.490 --> 01:16:42.310
<v Ivan>Vance is like is a just a machine of generating content. Yes.

01:16:42.410 --> 01:16:47.550
<v Sam>Well, yeah. And also not not just all this stuff that he's screwing up,

01:16:47.570 --> 01:16:55.070
<v Sam>but I've seen a lot of commentary as well that he just sucks as like a speaker and a campaigner.

01:16:55.130 --> 01:16:58.250
<v Sam>He's like boring and people don't.

01:16:58.250 --> 01:17:02.570
<v Ivan>And I have seen him speak. It's been utterly boring as all hell.

01:17:02.570 --> 01:17:08.750
<v Ivan>And oh, by the way, here's another problem that he created with this, too.

01:17:09.490 --> 01:17:12.230
<v Ivan>Well, you see, the Republicans are kind of fucking like really,

01:17:12.350 --> 01:17:17.830
<v Ivan>I don't know if you've noticed this, Sam, but the GOP is filled with a lot of racist people.

01:17:18.090 --> 01:17:20.050
<v Sam>Oh, yes. Yeah.

01:17:20.170 --> 01:17:22.610
<v Ivan>I don't know if you've noticed. Have you noticed this?

01:17:22.730 --> 01:17:26.690
<v Sam>I've noticed that. And the sexists. And J.D. Vance is.

01:17:26.750 --> 01:17:27.190
<v Ivan>And the sexists.

01:17:27.230 --> 01:17:27.590
<v Sam>Both.

01:17:27.730 --> 01:17:31.470
<v Ivan>Both. Wife. And, you know, J.D. Vance is a woman.

01:17:31.470 --> 01:17:35.010
<v Sam>No, no. I was saying he's both racist and sexist, but yeah.

01:17:35.230 --> 01:17:39.570
<v Sam>Oh, okay. But you can mention his wife is, of course, of Indian descent.

01:17:39.690 --> 01:17:43.290
<v Ivan>His wife is of Indian descent. And oh my God.

01:17:43.330 --> 01:17:50.210
<v Ivan>I mean, there has been this ridiculous amount of racist vitriol directed at,

01:17:50.370 --> 01:17:55.230
<v Ivan>I'm not voting for this guy that's married to this Indian woman. Right.

01:17:56.300 --> 01:18:00.300
<v Ivan>Lovely bunch of people. These people are, I mean, it's like every time, I mean.

01:18:00.420 --> 01:18:04.700
<v Sam>Well, and this goes back to the Trump campaign's general approach to Kamala

01:18:04.700 --> 01:18:07.540
<v Sam>Harris so far, and not just the Trump campaign, but Republicans in general,

01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:14.700
<v Sam>they've been doing this, like she's a DEI hire, DEI hire thing as well, you know?

01:18:14.700 --> 01:18:22.680
<v Sam>And as, as someone pointed out, like that's not on the one hand,

01:18:22.700 --> 01:18:26.860
<v Sam>it's, it's like the code word for the N word because they can't say the N word.

01:18:26.940 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Sam>They're saying DEI higher.

01:18:28.120 --> 01:18:31.600
<v Ivan>Basically that's what they're... But also I don't know why you're saying they

01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:35.820
<v Ivan>can't. I'm surprised that they're not straight out saying that word. Can I be honest?

01:18:36.160 --> 01:18:41.200
<v Ivan>Because of all the other shit they said, I mean, come on. Why aren't they saying it? I'm surprised.

01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:44.760
<v Sam>But also it's more than that.

01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:49.780
<v Sam>The whole implication is that she's inherently unqualified.

01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:51.660
<v Ivan>Unqualified, yes.

01:18:51.820 --> 01:18:56.640
<v Sam>And that she's brought... Meanwhile, like she's got a hell of a lot more experience

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.260
<v Sam>than Vance or that Trump had.

01:18:59.940 --> 01:19:01.860
<v Ivan>I have a lot. Yeah.

01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:07.660
<v Sam>I mean, Jesus, she's got all the normal things that you would tick off as like

01:19:07.660 --> 01:19:10.260
<v Sam>you would want in the experience of a president.

01:19:10.420 --> 01:19:14.740
<v Sam>She was a prosecutor. She was a Senator. She was a vice president.

01:19:15.300 --> 01:19:21.240
<v Sam>What else do you fucking want? I mean, that's, this is a typical resume for a president. Yeah.

01:19:21.750 --> 01:19:29.230
<v Sam>And she did well at all of those jobs, you know, and the whole implication that because,

01:19:29.990 --> 01:19:36.670
<v Sam>she is not a white male, she's a DEI hire and was brought on board for,

01:19:36.730 --> 01:19:43.190
<v Sam>and isn't really qualified is just inherently racist, like right off the bat.

01:19:43.370 --> 01:19:48.470
<v Sam>And, and, and this is the, like right now, the attacks that they're coming up

01:19:48.470 --> 01:19:53.030
<v Sam>with for For Kamala, you got the racism and you got the sexism,

01:19:53.090 --> 01:19:55.390
<v Sam>and that's been like 80% of it.

01:19:55.470 --> 01:19:57.890
<v Sam>And then you've got random other shit they're trying.

01:19:58.030 --> 01:20:01.050
<v Sam>Like someone was digging up a clip about her trying marijuana.

01:20:02.050 --> 01:20:04.850
<v Sam>Like we got over that in the Clinton administration.

01:20:05.910 --> 01:20:08.890
<v Ivan>Yeah, I thought, yeah, exactly. I mean, what the hell? Really?

01:20:09.210 --> 01:20:11.950
<v Ivan>This is what we're bringing up. I mean, what the hell?

01:20:12.010 --> 01:20:15.230
<v Sam>And, you know, they're, they're, they're struggling on the one hand.

01:20:15.230 --> 01:20:19.350
<v Sam>They want to, you know, in the primaries when she ran for president,

01:20:19.390 --> 01:20:23.950
<v Sam>you know, back in 2019, she had the issue with the left wing being like Kamala

01:20:23.950 --> 01:20:27.490
<v Sam>is a cop and she's a prosecutor and why do you want that?

01:20:27.650 --> 01:20:30.790
<v Sam>And like, blah, blah, blah. Now she's using that for her advantage.

01:20:30.950 --> 01:20:36.770
<v Sam>But at the same time, the Republicans want to figure out like a way to get in on that.

01:20:36.930 --> 01:20:41.050
<v Sam>Like she prosecuted some people she shouldn't have, and maybe she didn't prosecute

01:20:41.050 --> 01:20:46.370
<v Sam>some people. But they haven't found attacks that are hitting.

01:20:46.730 --> 01:20:52.790
<v Sam>They haven't found attacks that are hitting yet, even within their core audience.

01:20:52.950 --> 01:20:58.570
<v Sam>I mean, I guess in the end, you know, the racism and sexism is going to appeal

01:20:58.570 --> 01:21:01.230
<v Sam>to a big core of Republicans. It just is.

01:21:01.630 --> 01:21:05.810
<v Sam>But in order to get those people in the middle that will decide the election,

01:21:06.050 --> 01:21:07.470
<v Sam>they need something else.

01:21:07.490 --> 01:21:09.730
<v Sam>And they haven't found it yet.

01:21:09.790 --> 01:21:15.670
<v Ivan>You do? So, you know, so that's not a winning ticket. I see. Okay. Well.

01:21:17.420 --> 01:21:23.780
<v Sam>Oh, and my wife is reminding me because I've messed up repeatedly. Kamala.

01:21:25.480 --> 01:21:35.540
<v Sam>Kamala. Kamala. And I do sometimes, when I'm thinking about it, I get it right.

01:21:35.620 --> 01:21:38.160
<v Sam>But when I'm talking fast, I mess it up all the time.

01:21:38.240 --> 01:21:41.680
<v Sam>So I apologize for that. We deserve to get the name right.

01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.540
<v Ivan>Of drugs by the way because before i forget i don't

01:21:44.540 --> 01:21:47.920
<v Ivan>know i you know talking about people around this campaign the

01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.000
<v Ivan>other day i i shared a a video of

01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.060
<v Ivan>uh donald trump jr okay and i swear

01:21:54.060 --> 01:21:57.380
<v Ivan>to god if this guy is not snorting all

01:21:57.380 --> 01:22:00.520
<v Ivan>the cocaine in south florida then i

01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.400
<v Ivan>i there well somebody explained to me what the hell he's taken

01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:07.700
<v Ivan>because he looked this guy looks looks just

01:22:07.700 --> 01:22:11.280
<v Ivan>absolutely stoned beyond on belief

01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:14.620
<v Ivan>okay so i don't

01:22:14.620 --> 01:22:21.100
<v Ivan>i i don't know why you know why that is but these guys i mean well why that

01:22:21.100 --> 01:22:25.320
<v Ivan>is i mean come on we found out that when ronnie jackson was the was the doctor

01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:28.700
<v Ivan>over there apparently i mean he was just handing out drugs like it was like

01:22:28.700 --> 01:22:32.960
<v Ivan>you know like there were there were candy so another another thing since so

01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:34.280
<v Ivan>i guess they're going very well another.

01:22:34.280 --> 01:22:38.480
<v Sam>Thing since Since we were mentioning her name, one thing that was going a lot

01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:45.200
<v Sam>of repetition online were people saying basically this, hey,

01:22:45.480 --> 01:22:50.540
<v Sam>you call male politicians by their last name as a sign of respect.

01:22:50.620 --> 01:22:54.440
<v Sam>You never call them by their first names. You should be calling her Harris.

01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:56.500
<v Ivan>Yeah, I've been referring to her as Harris.

01:22:56.500 --> 01:23:01.380
<v Sam>You should be referring to her as Harris, not Kamala. But here's a couple of things.

01:23:01.400 --> 01:23:07.140
<v Sam>And I've seen a number of people, you know, basically say, okay, no.

01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:14.020
<v Sam>And the reasons why no are because one, that sounds good in general,

01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:18.300
<v Sam>but they're, you know, do we call them Sanders or do we call them Bernie?

01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:20.500
<v Sam>We've said Joe a lot.

01:23:20.580 --> 01:23:22.560
<v Ivan>I guess Bernie, we called him Bernie.

01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:24.220
<v Sam>We've said Joe a lot there.

01:23:24.420 --> 01:23:26.460
<v Ivan>But we usually call him Biden.

01:23:26.480 --> 01:23:31.940
<v Sam>We do. We do call him Biden. But also, so first of all, it's not a universal rule at all.

01:23:32.060 --> 01:23:35.120
<v Sam>There are some politicians who go by their first name, some that go by their

01:23:35.120 --> 01:23:37.540
<v Sam>last name, some that do the initial thing.

01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:41.880
<v Sam>Like we got AOC going on and RFK for that matter.

01:23:42.100 --> 01:23:45.420
<v Sam>You know, we've got a lot of, you know, and one big.

01:23:45.540 --> 01:23:47.780
<v Ivan>Another fucking drug and drug.

01:23:47.780 --> 01:23:55.360
<v Sam>Oh, quick tangent, by the way, even before this change, his numbers were indeed collapsing.

01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.880
<v Sam>Like even before this change, like if you go back a few months,

01:24:00.100 --> 01:24:05.580
<v Sam>he would, you know, his average polling was around 10% in state level polls.

01:24:05.860 --> 01:24:08.300
<v Ivan>Hey, the more you know of the more you hate.

01:24:08.360 --> 01:24:12.260
<v Sam>And, and I'd say the average, like there's still some, I say average,

01:24:12.300 --> 01:24:13.620
<v Sam>that means there's some higher, some lower.

01:24:13.940 --> 01:24:17.420
<v Sam>I'd say his average has dropped to more like 5% now.

01:24:17.780 --> 01:24:21.320
<v Sam>Like, you know, yeah, you occasionally see one at seven or eight,

01:24:21.420 --> 01:24:24.860
<v Sam>but there are a lot of twos and threes as well.

01:24:25.180 --> 01:24:30.220
<v Sam>And you very rarely now see a number over 10 for Kennedy.

01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:34.540
<v Sam>So his numbers are collapsing. And I think it's collapsed even more when,

01:24:34.540 --> 01:24:40.240
<v Sam>when, after the Harris change, but of course you distracted me with that.

01:24:40.280 --> 01:24:41.860
<v Sam>What was I going to say before that?

01:24:42.220 --> 01:24:46.440
<v Sam>Oh, the names, the names. The other thing is the preference on the names.

01:24:47.080 --> 01:24:51.400
<v Sam>Guess what? A lot of that has to do with what does the candidate themselves

01:24:51.400 --> 01:24:53.660
<v Sam>prefer and what do they push?

01:24:54.740 --> 01:24:55.860
<v Ivan>So what is she like?

01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:56.520
<v Sam>I don't know.

01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:59.780
<v Ivan>I haven't figured it out because I'm referring to her both.

01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:08.140
<v Sam>In 2019, her campaign bus had Kamala in big letters all over it. You know, she.

01:25:08.300 --> 01:25:09.040
<v Ivan>The Kamala Express.

01:25:09.200 --> 01:25:12.540
<v Sam>The Kamala Express. She uses her first name in lots of things.

01:25:12.540 --> 01:25:14.100
<v Sam>She's branded herself that way.

01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:21.820
<v Sam>She uses Harris too, obviously, but she, she has not shown any aversion to being

01:25:21.820 --> 01:25:26.780
<v Sam>called Kamala or Kamala Kamala. I see. I did it again. I did it wrong.

01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:31.400
<v Sam>Kamala. She has so no aversion to that. She had an ad in 2019.

01:25:31.660 --> 01:25:34.780
<v Ivan>I'll stick to Harris because I, I, I, I do both.

01:25:34.900 --> 01:25:36.640
<v Sam>I do both. And I, I had.

01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:40.660
<v Ivan>Well, I'm sorry. Well, I don't want to keep screwing up the other ones. I'll also, right.

01:25:40.660 --> 01:25:46.480
<v Sam>Right. I mean, I had been trying to do Harris more than Kamala, but you know.

01:25:47.620 --> 01:25:53.080
<v Sam>I will do both. I mean, cause it's clear she's fine with both and she uses both

01:25:53.080 --> 01:25:56.300
<v Sam>in her branding and her campaign in everything.

01:25:56.500 --> 01:26:03.100
<v Sam>Both are there sometimes one, sometimes the other, sometimes both, you know? So, so yeah.

01:26:03.200 --> 01:26:07.500
<v Sam>So anyway, let's see, what have we not hit Yvonne?

01:26:07.620 --> 01:26:11.960
<v Sam>We talked about Biden. Now we talked about Biden endorsing Harris. Oh, VP.

01:26:12.380 --> 01:26:15.460
<v Sam>We have not talked about the Kamala of veep veep

01:26:15.460 --> 01:26:19.420
<v Sam>stakes so apparently at

01:26:19.420 --> 01:26:22.680
<v Sam>the moment they're vetting about 12 people there's a

01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:26.820
<v Sam>lot of speculation on who's the front runners the you

01:26:26.820 --> 01:26:29.920
<v Sam>know i on the curmudgeon's corner slack i'd never mentioned it on the show itself

01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:34.120
<v Sam>but on the curmudgeon's corner slack like weeks ago i had said a brilliant choice

01:26:34.120 --> 01:26:38.440
<v Sam>would be aoc a very risky choice but brilliant because it would unify the democrats

01:26:38.440 --> 01:26:42.020
<v Sam>blah blah blah in such a way but it would be risky because it would all also

01:26:42.020 --> 01:26:43.440
<v Sam>alienate a bunch of moderates,

01:26:43.460 --> 01:26:46.140
<v Sam>but the safe, and I don't think she's going to go there.

01:26:46.220 --> 01:26:49.540
<v Sam>I I'm not predicting that at all. I think it would be a very interesting choice,

01:26:49.580 --> 01:26:50.700
<v Sam>but I don't think she's going to go there.

01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:56.100
<v Sam>And also she's very young. She will only become eligible to even be in that

01:26:56.100 --> 01:26:58.200
<v Sam>spot in like October or something.

01:26:58.340 --> 01:27:06.840
<v Sam>She's just going to turn 35, but the safe choices are white male straight governors,

01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:12.040
<v Sam>You know, so like the people who've been talking or, or, or senators or senators,

01:27:12.160 --> 01:27:17.660
<v Sam>the people who've been talked about the most and basically almost everybody

01:27:17.660 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Sam>who's been mentioned is white male.

01:27:20.740 --> 01:27:22.980
<v Sam>You've got the, uh.

01:27:23.100 --> 01:27:28.460
<v Ivan>Well, you had, uh, what's her name? Not, not Whitmer. Well, they also mentioned, uh, Whitmer.

01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:32.360
<v Sam>Yeah. You, you have, you have, you have some mention, you have some mention of Whitmer.

01:27:32.360 --> 01:27:35.100
<v Sam>she's repeatedly said she's she doesn't want to do that

01:27:35.100 --> 01:27:38.860
<v Sam>but she is one of the ones being vetted reportedly and she

01:27:38.860 --> 01:27:41.500
<v Sam>but people keep asking you know

01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:45.140
<v Sam>would two women be too much same thing

01:27:45.140 --> 01:27:50.080
<v Sam>people have mentioned buddha judge which apparently you know kamala has kamala

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:54.260
<v Sam>has a really good relationship with pete buddha judge but people are asking

01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:58.840
<v Sam>you know okay a woman and a gay guy would that be too much and like on the one

01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:03.220
<v Sam>hand i want to say to all these fuck that if they're you know, maybe,

01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:07.300
<v Sam>maybe double down on two women and that's the right thing to do this time.

01:28:07.340 --> 01:28:12.380
<v Sam>Or just, you know, having the gay guy on the ticket would also send a very clear

01:28:12.380 --> 01:28:14.700
<v Sam>message and blah, blah, blah.

01:28:14.780 --> 01:28:19.560
<v Sam>But the safe choices are like, Hey, let's get Shapiro.

01:28:19.900 --> 01:28:25.720
<v Sam>He's a white guy. He's a governor. He's in Pennsylvania, which is kind of a key state.

01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.160
<v Sam>And he's, He's very popular there.

01:28:28.340 --> 01:28:34.960
<v Sam>And right now, most paths to victory go through Pennsylvania.

01:28:35.400 --> 01:28:41.960
<v Sam>So do him. And Whitmer's on their list for the same reason. She's a governor of a key state.

01:28:42.440 --> 01:28:46.560
<v Sam>People are also talking about Kelly in Arizona, Senator Kelly in Arizona.

01:28:47.650 --> 01:28:50.810
<v Sam>Yeah. Kelly's a key state and they like certain aspects of his personality.

01:28:51.130 --> 01:28:52.350
<v Ivan>Kelly is a key state.

01:28:52.430 --> 01:28:55.390
<v Sam>Well, sorry. Arizona is a key state.

01:28:55.410 --> 01:28:59.470
<v Ivan>But, oh, but I was like, I don't know that we admit them to the union before

01:28:59.470 --> 01:29:01.210
<v Ivan>Puerto Rico and DC. I mean, what the hell?

01:29:01.570 --> 01:29:10.330
<v Sam>But the thing with him is like, yeah, Arizona cool, but you can win without Arizona.

01:29:17.210 --> 01:29:21.690
<v Sam>It's Like what states do you think they will help in? Then Shapiro's probably,

01:29:21.750 --> 01:29:25.050
<v Sam>they're also talking about Cooper, who's the governor of North Carolina,

01:29:25.270 --> 01:29:28.470
<v Sam>for the same reason, bring North Carolina back into play.

01:29:28.990 --> 01:29:33.210
<v Sam>And then there's some, the oddballs. Apparently they're also vetting some general.

01:29:34.170 --> 01:29:36.850
<v Sam>Yeah, I mentioned Buttigieg, they're vetting him too.

01:29:38.130 --> 01:29:45.030
<v Sam>And all of this, the campaign has said they will announce the vice presidential choice by August 7th,

01:29:45.030 --> 01:29:48.930
<v Sam>which is coming up really fast because they're still going to be doing that

01:29:48.930 --> 01:29:53.890
<v Sam>virtual roll call to solidify all this stuff before that August 7th deadline,

01:29:54.190 --> 01:29:57.710
<v Sam>which was all prompted by Ohio and their deadlines.

01:29:58.010 --> 01:30:02.430
<v Sam>Now, Ohio has fixed that issue, but the Democrats are basically like,

01:30:02.550 --> 01:30:05.310
<v Sam>we don't want to believe it.

01:30:05.470 --> 01:30:10.070
<v Sam>We don't want to risk it because even if they've If theoretically fixed that

01:30:10.070 --> 01:30:14.290
<v Sam>issue, you could see the Republicans doing lawsuits on it and blah, blah, blah.

01:30:14.450 --> 01:30:17.370
<v Sam>And we don't want any doubt. We want to get it done before the old deadline.

01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:21.940
<v Sam>But anyway, we've got a bunch of candidates in play, potentially.

01:30:22.580 --> 01:30:28.440
<v Sam>I kind of figure she'll go for, like, I feel like Shapiro is the front runner

01:30:28.440 --> 01:30:29.780
<v Sam>because you need Pennsylvania.

01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.300
<v Sam>He's popular in Pennsylvania.

01:30:32.340 --> 01:30:34.820
<v Ivan>The only one that I thought that could be a wild card.

01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:38.160
<v Sam>Wait, let me just say one more thing on Shapiro real quick. Also,

01:30:38.320 --> 01:30:44.660
<v Sam>apparently Shapiro and Harris have known each other for like 15 years.

01:30:44.660 --> 01:30:47.580
<v Sam>like they were both prosecutors at the same time

01:30:47.580 --> 01:30:50.320
<v Sam>and have dealt with each other professionally and

01:30:50.320 --> 01:30:53.200
<v Sam>have a long personal relationship going back a long time

01:30:53.200 --> 01:30:56.480
<v Sam>i guess long long long i said long multiple times

01:30:56.480 --> 01:31:00.980
<v Sam>but they've got a long-standing relationship and that makes a difference too

01:31:00.980 --> 01:31:06.200
<v Sam>because like you know as numerous people have pointed out you know not only

01:31:06.200 --> 01:31:10.880
<v Sam>are you picking somebody for the campaign but if you win you are picking somebody

01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:14.380
<v Sam>to well replace you if something Something happens,

01:31:14.460 --> 01:31:16.680
<v Sam>of course, but also someone who's

01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.760
<v Sam>going to be in the room and a critical advisor for you for four years.

01:31:21.320 --> 01:31:29.180
<v Sam>And, you know, cause these days, like ever since it used to be that vice presidents were just off,

01:31:29.360 --> 01:31:33.800
<v Sam>you know, the whole quote about worth as much as a bucket of worms,

01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Sam>bucket of warm spit, you know, was the phrase that was used to describe the vice presidency.

01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:45.460
<v Sam>presidency, but basically since, I don't know, Carter, they've actually given

01:31:45.460 --> 01:31:49.660
<v Sam>the vice president responsibilities and included them in the process in a way

01:31:49.660 --> 01:31:51.900
<v Sam>that really wasn't traditional before that.

01:31:52.100 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Sam>And so now these days it's kind of assumed, I mean, any president could change

01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:59.740
<v Sam>this, but it's kind of assumed that the vice president is there in the room,

01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:02.540
<v Sam>part of the decision-making process, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:32:02.660 --> 01:32:04.460
<v Sam>So you want somebody you like for all that stuff.

01:32:05.220 --> 01:32:07.500
<v Sam>So who's your dark horse that you wanted to mention?

01:32:08.040 --> 01:32:10.840
<v Ivan>Well i was wondering i don't know if i have a

01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:14.180
<v Ivan>dark horse specifically but i was wondering you know

01:32:14.180 --> 01:32:18.200
<v Ivan>georgia if if we won again georgia georgia

01:32:18.200 --> 01:32:22.000
<v Ivan>is a state with a good good number of troll votes but i just i don't know if

01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:25.840
<v Ivan>there's anybody who could name from georgia that could maybe bring you know

01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:29.980
<v Ivan>well what's her name that i mean i i don't know if there's somebody who could

01:32:29.980 --> 01:32:34.760
<v Ivan>name that would balance the ticket you know in order to bring georgia into the into the mix.

01:32:35.240 --> 01:32:40.940
<v Sam>I don't know. I think that's right. I don't think there is because it really

01:32:40.940 --> 01:32:45.460
<v Sam>had the Democrats who have won in Georgia have done so by the skin of their

01:32:45.460 --> 01:32:47.640
<v Sam>teeth. They're not like super, super popular.

01:32:48.580 --> 01:32:52.580
<v Sam>And then, of course, we had the woman who ran whose name I'm blanking on.

01:32:52.620 --> 01:32:53.880
<v Ivan>Stacey Abrams.

01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:59.260
<v Sam>I think it is. But she's lost multiple times. She hasn't shown that she can bring that through.

01:32:59.980 --> 01:33:03.120
<v Ivan>I was going to argue to bring back Mondale, but Mondale's dead.

01:33:04.110 --> 01:33:05.830
<v Sam>Yeah. I don't, I'm not sure he would help.

01:33:06.130 --> 01:33:09.370
<v Ivan>I wonder where he goes. Well, he's from Minnesota.

01:33:09.390 --> 01:33:17.110
<v Sam>But I will say even without that, the polls on Harris that have happened in

01:33:17.110 --> 01:33:21.950
<v Sam>Georgia since Biden's announcement, a different story before the announcement.

01:33:22.530 --> 01:33:32.110
<v Sam>That's why I mentioned it because You know, I'm looking at it like a landmark poll, 1.4% Trump lead.

01:33:33.330 --> 01:33:37.070
<v Sam>A Emerson poll, about 2.3.

01:33:37.330 --> 01:33:41.650
<v Sam>There was a Redfield and Wilton poll with her down five.

01:33:41.930 --> 01:33:48.830
<v Sam>But all of these have, all of this is pointing to Georgia being in contention again. Right.

01:33:49.130 --> 01:33:51.910
<v Ivan>And that's the reason why I said it. And so I was like, shit,

01:33:51.970 --> 01:33:56.530
<v Ivan>if we could get somebody, it could excite, you know, because Georgia, I mean, you know what?

01:33:56.570 --> 01:34:01.350
<v Ivan>It would be nice if we could still take, you know, Pennsylvania and bring back Georgia.

01:34:01.390 --> 01:34:11.410
<v Sam>Now, to be fair, right now, my average for Georgia for Biden was losing by 4.5%.

01:34:12.170 --> 01:34:16.370
<v Sam>Make sure I got that right. Yeah, 4.5%. Trump by 4.5% against Biden.

01:34:16.750 --> 01:34:21.010
<v Sam>Whereas for Harris, the average is now Trump by 5%. But again,

01:34:21.090 --> 01:34:25.550
<v Sam>that 5% includes polls from before Biden dropped out.

01:34:25.690 --> 01:34:29.290
<v Sam>And there's like a step change. Like after Biden dropped out,

01:34:29.370 --> 01:34:34.730
<v Sam>the Harris versus Trump polls improved by several percent in Georgia.

01:34:34.890 --> 01:34:39.630
<v Sam>And I don't like, it's weird, but like, because you're asking the same question.

01:34:39.730 --> 01:34:42.990
<v Sam>The people before Biden dropped out were asking, well, what do you think about

01:34:42.990 --> 01:34:46.950
<v Sam>a Harris versus Trump matchup? But this goes to show you there's a big difference

01:34:46.950 --> 01:34:51.490
<v Sam>between asking Harris versus Trump as a hypothetical versus,

01:34:51.610 --> 01:34:54.090
<v Sam>okay, yeah, she really is the candidate. Now, what do you think?

01:34:54.150 --> 01:34:58.970
<v Ivan>No, I know. I know. I know. I know. By the way, I didn't, you know.

01:34:59.590 --> 01:35:02.670
<v Ivan>I don't recall us talking about when Mondale died.

01:35:02.990 --> 01:35:04.110
<v Sam>I don't think so.

01:35:04.110 --> 01:35:05.670
<v Ivan>It was only like three years ago.

01:35:05.950 --> 01:35:07.350
<v Sam>Yeah, I don't think we talked about it.

01:35:07.610 --> 01:35:12.970
<v Ivan>We didn't talk about it. You know, Mondale died of natural causes in his sleep

01:35:12.970 --> 01:35:15.470
<v Ivan>at home in Minnesota. He was 93.

01:35:16.130 --> 01:35:17.150
<v Sam>I mean, shit.

01:35:17.410 --> 01:35:21.990
<v Ivan>You know, pretty old. Okay, well, all right.

01:35:22.610 --> 01:35:25.690
<v Ivan>He tried to run for president. Well, here's the reality.

01:35:26.070 --> 01:35:30.710
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, sorry he passed away. Rest in peace. But the one thing is,

01:35:30.730 --> 01:35:33.650
<v Ivan>well, he did, he didn't do very well when he ran for president.

01:35:33.810 --> 01:35:35.170
<v Sam>No, no, he did not.

01:35:35.730 --> 01:35:39.970
<v Ivan>He did. Yeah. He did probably about as bad as you can do ever.

01:35:40.430 --> 01:35:42.750
<v Ivan>So that's not really helpful, I guess.

01:35:43.770 --> 01:35:49.870
<v Sam>Right. So anyway, on vice presidents, I guess I'll, I'll predict, I'll predict Shapiro.

01:35:50.250 --> 01:35:53.270
<v Sam>Are you going to make a prediction? I mean, this could go anyway.

01:35:53.410 --> 01:35:56.890
<v Sam>So this is sort of a predict.

01:35:57.730 --> 01:36:02.930
<v Ivan>Who do I predict? What are my options? We got Shapiro. We got Whitmer.

01:36:03.070 --> 01:36:03.690
<v Sam>We got Kelly.

01:36:03.770 --> 01:36:06.510
<v Ivan>We got Kelly. Well, who else do you think?

01:36:06.570 --> 01:36:06.990
<v Sam>Buttigieg.

01:36:07.290 --> 01:36:07.910
<v Ivan>Everybody got it.

01:36:08.650 --> 01:36:11.910
<v Sam>We got some. Yeah. There was some general whose name I don't remember.

01:36:12.530 --> 01:36:14.790
<v Sam>There were. You got Pritzker.

01:36:15.610 --> 01:36:18.050
<v Sam>Pritzker's on the list. Who else?

01:36:18.270 --> 01:36:19.970
<v Ivan>No, that makes no sense.

01:36:21.470 --> 01:36:26.330
<v Sam>There are a few others. I mean, like I said, the reports are there a dozen being

01:36:26.330 --> 01:36:30.870
<v Sam>looked at, but we've mentioned mention the names that come up the most all.

01:36:31.070 --> 01:36:36.230
<v Ivan>All, all, all to pick somebody different from you just to pick a name. I'll go say Kelly.

01:36:36.590 --> 01:36:42.230
<v Sam>Okay. It seems like those two names right now are the ones that are being talked

01:36:42.230 --> 01:36:44.610
<v Sam>about the most Shapiro and Kelly.

01:36:45.110 --> 01:36:48.850
<v Sam>Now she could go in a completely different direction. Hell, she might actually pick AOC.

01:36:48.950 --> 01:36:53.190
<v Sam>Like I said, I don't think so, but like for all we know, but you know, you, you never know.

01:36:53.310 --> 01:36:55.470
<v Sam>Like, you know, you're.

01:36:56.620 --> 01:37:01.840
<v Sam>You know, given everything that's going on, I feel like she's going to go for a safe choice.

01:37:02.480 --> 01:37:08.480
<v Sam>Like, you know, not like a, you know, a choice that everybody is immediately questioning.

01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:11.360
<v Sam>And I think people would be immediately questioning AOC.

01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:14.960
<v Sam>I think they'd be questioning Buttigieg. I think they'd be, you know,

01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:21.340
<v Sam>a lot of these are ones that people would be immediately like, not so sure about that.

01:37:22.020 --> 01:37:25.240
<v Sam>And was that a good choice and blah, blah, blah. Now, frankly,

01:37:25.420 --> 01:37:29.660
<v Sam>I think all of these names that have been mentioned would probably be absolutely fine.

01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:36.240
<v Sam>She's not considering like, you know, I don't think she'll do a J.D.

01:37:36.240 --> 01:37:41.660
<v Sam>Vance type pick or or for that matter, you know, or Sarah Palin choice.

01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:46.120
<v Ivan>Well, could we see? Well, could we see anybody who is that list that maybe has

01:37:46.120 --> 01:37:48.760
<v Ivan>fucked the couch or written about it?

01:37:49.420 --> 01:37:51.800
<v Ivan>Is that like a qualified criteria?

01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:56.960
<v Sam>I should mention there are people encouraging her to go for a youth.

01:37:57.020 --> 01:37:57.520
<v Ivan>The fuck account.

01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:02.280
<v Sam>No, no. There, there are people encouraging Harris to go for a quote unquote

01:38:02.280 --> 01:38:07.320
<v Sam>unity ticket by, by picking a Republican for the vice president slot.

01:38:07.500 --> 01:38:09.160
<v Ivan>Oh fuck that shit.

01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:11.960
<v Sam>Now they've talked about Romney and they've.

01:38:11.980 --> 01:38:14.460
<v Ivan>Yeah, I heard about it. I didn't even say it earlier.

01:38:15.300 --> 01:38:17.180
<v Sam>I, I, I, I think there's.

01:38:17.180 --> 01:38:18.900
<v Ivan>You mean Liz, not, not Dick.

01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:20.340
<v Sam>Liz, not Dick. Yes.

01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:24.500
<v Ivan>Jesus. is crazy. I mean, he's still around and we could name,

01:38:24.500 --> 01:38:28.040
<v Ivan>you know, we could make, name vice president again, but I don't think that's a good idea.

01:38:28.160 --> 01:38:30.060
<v Sam>Yeah, I think he's older than Biden.

01:38:34.360 --> 01:38:37.780
<v Ivan>And, and I mean, basically he is Darth Vader for real. I mean,

01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:39.600
<v Ivan>he's got so many artificial things in him.

01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:43.620
<v Sam>But yeah, no, I, I, she's not going to pick a fricking Republican for this.

01:38:43.620 --> 01:38:46.200
<v Ivan>Like, no, we're not going to pick a fucking Republican. What are you at?

01:38:46.200 --> 01:38:52.400
<v Sam>No. And I think, you know, part of the excitement around her on the democratic

01:38:52.400 --> 01:38:56.680
<v Sam>side is actually that she's a little bit more liberal than Biden is,

01:38:56.780 --> 01:39:00.160
<v Sam>you know, when she was, when she was running in 2019,

01:39:00.300 --> 01:39:04.380
<v Sam>she was having trouble figuring out like, where do I slot myself in?

01:39:04.380 --> 01:39:07.060
<v Sam>because I have to appeal to the progressives and the centrists.

01:39:07.140 --> 01:39:12.900
<v Sam>And I'm not really, I'm a little bit, I'm left of Biden, but like right of people

01:39:12.900 --> 01:39:16.000
<v Sam>like Sanders and Warren and those folks.

01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:19.940
<v Sam>And I think she's actually in a nice slot right now.

01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:24.800
<v Sam>And people are excited because she is more liberal than Biden because to a large

01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:29.820
<v Sam>part of the democratic base, Biden was just a little bit too,

01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:35.960
<v Sam>conservative is the wrong word, but a little bit too much about like the preservation

01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:42.320
<v Sam>of the system and tradition and like, let's work with the Republicans and all this kind of stuff.

01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:49.480
<v Sam>And they want someone who will, who will just fight and in ways that Joe Biden didn't necessarily.

01:39:49.620 --> 01:39:53.020
<v Sam>Now, Joe Biden got a lot done with that technique, by the way,

01:39:53.080 --> 01:39:59.020
<v Sam>like there were stuff passed that nobody thought he could pass and it was passed on a bipartisan basis.

01:39:59.400 --> 01:40:03.840
<v Sam>But I think there's an appetite for fuck working with the Republicans.

01:40:03.940 --> 01:40:05.960
<v Sam>Let's ram through whatever we can get done.

01:40:06.420 --> 01:40:10.260
<v Sam>You know, and that kind of thing. But yeah, so I think she'll,

01:40:10.380 --> 01:40:15.480
<v Sam>she doesn't want to screw, she certainly wouldn't screw that up by picking an actual Republican,

01:40:15.580 --> 01:40:20.580
<v Sam>but I think she's going to be careful because while she's certainly not going

01:40:20.580 --> 01:40:22.260
<v Sam>to mess that up by picking a Republican,

01:40:22.360 --> 01:40:29.280
<v Sam>I think she's also not going to want to pick someone too centrist either because

01:40:29.280 --> 01:40:35.220
<v Sam>she doesn't want to spoil the enthusiasm that she's built up over the last week as well.

01:40:35.360 --> 01:40:40.940
<v Sam>And I think she, so she's got a tight rope to walk and she's going to have to figure that out.

01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:45.920
<v Sam>Like one of the things that I've heard brought up about Shapiro is there's a

01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:50.640
<v Sam>lot of concern about like, well, what is his position on the whole Israel Gaza thing?

01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:57.460
<v Sam>And is he like a little bit too centrist for that and like too pro Israel when

01:40:57.460 --> 01:41:01.420
<v Sam>there's a huge portion of the democratic party right now who wants to take a

01:41:01.420 --> 01:41:06.580
<v Sam>step back from Israel and Harris is trying to find a midline in there.

01:41:07.060 --> 01:41:12.080
<v Sam>And, you know, so who knows, but, and, and of course, like part of the vetting

01:41:12.080 --> 01:41:16.160
<v Sam>they're doing, which is an accelerated process because they've only got like

01:41:16.160 --> 01:41:20.020
<v Sam>a week and a half is, you know, the usual sort of things.

01:41:20.120 --> 01:41:23.460
<v Sam>Do any of these people have skeletons in their closet? That would be a problem.

01:41:23.540 --> 01:41:29.680
<v Sam>You know, what are the, the potential attacks against them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:41:29.820 --> 01:41:33.320
<v Sam>That's why these These vice presidents, you know, vice presidents usually get

01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:38.980
<v Sam>this like massive vetting and digging into all their history and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:41:39.500 --> 01:41:42.520
<v Sam>And sometimes done better than other times.

01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:48.600
<v Sam>But, you know, but all of these people who are on the list seriously are in,

01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:53.240
<v Sam>in serious positions where they've been in the public eye for a while.

01:41:53.900 --> 01:41:58.800
<v Sam>And so you kind of think like, wouldn't those things have come up already?

01:41:58.940 --> 01:42:00.900
<v Sam>But you know, you never know. No, maybe not.

01:42:01.730 --> 01:42:06.830
<v Ivan>So, you know, you mentioned Cheney. So you, you put me down a wild goose chase.

01:42:06.910 --> 01:42:08.650
<v Ivan>I will say a couple of things about, okay.

01:42:08.750 --> 01:42:12.550
<v Ivan>But one is that I would like them or about, no, no, about Dick.

01:42:12.550 --> 01:42:12.790
<v Sam>Okay.

01:42:12.850 --> 01:42:16.250
<v Ivan>No, no, because Liz, you know, that's not going to help us. But I did think

01:42:16.250 --> 01:42:18.590
<v Ivan>one way that Dick Cheney could help us.

01:42:18.630 --> 01:42:19.010
<v Sam>Okay.

01:42:19.550 --> 01:42:24.290
<v Ivan>He could invite Trump to go hunting. That would be helpful.

01:42:24.950 --> 01:42:29.250
<v Ivan>Okay. You know, so aside from that, can I, can I just say something that I.

01:42:29.250 --> 01:42:33.130
<v Sam>You are, you are We're, of course, referring to when Dick Cheney shot his friend

01:42:33.130 --> 01:42:34.570
<v Sam>in the face while they were hunting.

01:42:35.170 --> 01:42:37.850
<v Ivan>It was on the back. It wasn't in the face. With a shotgun.

01:42:37.950 --> 01:42:39.830
<v Sam>It was the head, though, right?

01:42:40.470 --> 01:42:43.650
<v Ivan>Yeah, it was there in the head, but it was from behind. Yeah, with a shotgun.

01:42:43.650 --> 01:42:45.330
<v Sam>It did not kill the guy. The guy recovered.

01:42:45.590 --> 01:42:48.030
<v Ivan>It did not kill the guy, but he was severely injured.

01:42:48.170 --> 01:42:48.390
<v Sam>Yes.

01:42:48.390 --> 01:42:54.590
<v Ivan>Okay. But, you know, I was talking about that he's got more attachments than

01:42:54.590 --> 01:43:00.530
<v Ivan>Darth Vader. I did remember that he had some thing like a motor or something put in his heart.

01:43:00.610 --> 01:43:04.230
<v Ivan>But look, we've called this guy a heartless bastard.

01:43:04.390 --> 01:43:07.170
<v Ivan>But listen to this. I did not realize this, okay?

01:43:07.530 --> 01:43:12.450
<v Ivan>In early July 2010, Chaney was fitted with a left ventricular assist device

01:43:12.450 --> 01:43:16.930
<v Ivan>to compensate for worsening congestive heart failure.

01:43:17.090 --> 01:43:19.790
<v Ivan>The device pumped blood continuously through his body.

01:43:20.350 --> 01:43:27.690
<v Ivan>The pump was centrifugal. As a result, he remained alive without a pulse for nearly 15 months.

01:43:28.770 --> 01:43:37.330
<v Ivan>This son of a bitch actually walked around as been alive for a year and a half without having a pulse.

01:43:37.650 --> 01:43:44.550
<v Ivan>Sam, I mean, the guy was alive for a year and a half without a pulse.

01:43:45.030 --> 01:43:45.670
<v Sam>Right.

01:43:46.860 --> 01:43:51.980
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, that's really insane. And then he got a heart transplant somehow.

01:43:52.220 --> 01:43:57.160
<v Ivan>So, OK, so but but but yeah, but but yeah, the guy, you know,

01:43:57.180 --> 01:43:59.500
<v Ivan>we've said many times the guy had no heart.

01:43:59.740 --> 01:44:02.860
<v Ivan>Seriously. Holy shit. It's true. Right.

01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:06.580
<v Sam>So I'm just going through the list. I think we hit everything.

01:44:06.700 --> 01:44:08.420
<v Sam>Biden out. Biden endorses Harris.

01:44:09.020 --> 01:44:09.920
<v Ivan>We hit everything.

01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:13.360
<v Sam>The non-Harris contenders, the VP, the VP possibilities,

01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:17.200
<v Sam>the Trump campaign reactions, the Democratic reactions, say Harris,

01:44:17.320 --> 01:44:21.280
<v Sam>should Biden step down the instant mood change, whether this was actually good

01:44:21.280 --> 01:44:25.260
<v Sam>timing, the disarmed and backfiring Republican attacks.

01:44:25.400 --> 01:44:28.040
<v Sam>And finally, the couch thing and the couch. We covered everything.

01:44:28.740 --> 01:44:29.740
<v Ivan>Yes, we covered.

01:44:29.860 --> 01:44:33.460
<v Sam>So, yeah, I guess that means we're done.

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:37.900
<v Ivan>I think that means we're done. It's all new ballgame, Sam. which.

01:44:37.900 --> 01:44:40.460
<v Sam>Which ball game is it i.

01:44:40.460 --> 01:44:44.480
<v Ivan>Mean the campaign the camps that's a euphemism saying it's a whole new ball

01:44:44.480 --> 01:44:45.920
<v Ivan>game it's a whole new thing it's

01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:51.540
<v Ivan>not racquetball no not racquetball no no we're not playing no what what.

01:44:51.540 --> 01:44:54.540
<v Sam>What's that that pickleball pickleball.

01:44:54.540 --> 01:44:59.560
<v Ivan>Pickleball yeah that's you know i i got a friend of mine who who lost her job

01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:03.520
<v Ivan>a couple of months ago thankfully their spouse works and that the other day

01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:07.580
<v Ivan>i talked to her sounded very happy she said she's gotten really good at Pickleball right now.

01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:07.980
<v Sam>There you go.

01:45:08.460 --> 01:45:15.000
<v Ivan>And I'm like, Jesus, I need something like this. You know, I need my, I need my.

01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:16.240
<v Sam>You need a whole new ball game.

01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:17.920
<v Ivan>Yes, I do.

01:45:18.910 --> 01:45:22.910
<v Ivan>I would really love it if my wife would make more, but I mean,

01:45:22.930 --> 01:45:27.630
<v Ivan>I don't understand this thing about, you know, I, I, I gotta love that guy. The guy's a goof.

01:45:27.770 --> 01:45:31.210
<v Ivan>I love this guy, by the way. Well, I, I need, you know, I, I,

01:45:31.210 --> 01:45:34.430
<v Ivan>I need something like that. Oh, I want to be just a goofball.

01:45:34.470 --> 01:45:35.170
<v Sam>I met him by the way.

01:45:35.170 --> 01:45:36.610
<v Ivan>You know what? My grandfather was like that.

01:45:37.070 --> 01:45:43.570
<v Sam>Dougie muff. He was at an event that my wife was at. So I, I didn't have a conversation

01:45:43.570 --> 01:45:46.450
<v Sam>with him, but I think I might've shook, shook his hand or something. I don't know.

01:45:46.630 --> 01:45:48.950
<v Ivan>Well, there you go. That's a hell of a lot more than I've done.

01:45:49.150 --> 01:45:50.790
<v Sam>But anyway, yeah.

01:45:53.430 --> 01:46:00.110
<v Sam>Along those lines, yeah. I am waiting for my wife to move up from state legislator

01:46:00.110 --> 01:46:01.630
<v Sam>to something that actually pays money.

01:46:02.730 --> 01:46:04.950
<v Sam>Well, I mean, it pays, but very little.

01:46:05.190 --> 01:46:07.170
<v Ivan>It pays, but I know what you're saying.

01:46:09.070 --> 01:46:12.910
<v Sam>I would like to be in the Doug M.

01:46:12.930 --> 01:46:14.690
<v Sam>Moffitt situation where I just

01:46:14.690 --> 01:46:19.430
<v Sam>go along to the events and sort of be supportive and that kind of stuff.

01:46:19.610 --> 01:46:21.970
<v Sam>And sign me up.

01:46:22.210 --> 01:46:26.950
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, all these people say, God, I don't want to ever worry about the woman in power.

01:46:27.050 --> 01:46:30.250
<v Ivan>I'm like, oh, sign me up. You know, where the hell do I sign up for this?

01:46:30.350 --> 01:46:34.490
<v Ivan>You know, I realized that my grandfather on my dad's side was like this because

01:46:34.490 --> 01:46:37.170
<v Ivan>our grandmothers are the ones that really built up the business.

01:46:37.610 --> 01:46:43.470
<v Ivan>I mean, he did some stuff, but she was the brains of the operation.

01:46:43.470 --> 01:46:48.690
<v Ivan>He was really just there for like, I, he was just, you know, the guy, whatever.

01:46:48.950 --> 01:46:52.050
<v Ivan>Yeah. You know, it's great. It's great job.

01:46:52.710 --> 01:46:53.150
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:46:54.620 --> 01:47:01.060
<v Sam>That, yeah. So I, I, I, I heartily encourage my wife to continue to pursue her

01:47:01.060 --> 01:47:04.700
<v Sam>political career and whatever, wherever it takes her, uh,

01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:10.180
<v Sam>into, uh, but of course the thing is like politics doesn't pay that much unless

01:47:10.180 --> 01:47:13.460
<v Sam>you go the Menendez rate way. And I am not.

01:47:13.500 --> 01:47:14.160
<v Ivan>No, no.

01:47:14.180 --> 01:47:15.400
<v Sam>And I do not want my wife to do that.

01:47:15.400 --> 01:47:20.980
<v Ivan>Listen a senator a u.s senator makes a decent buck you know for example you

01:47:20.980 --> 01:47:25.300
<v Ivan>know it's not bad it's not bad you know it's a decent living yeah no but.

01:47:25.300 --> 01:47:29.860
<v Sam>Then you gotta maintain the two houses and all that kind of stuff like you run in dc one yeah.

01:47:29.860 --> 01:47:34.880
<v Ivan>But then you write a book and you write a you know yes like that's absolutely.

01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:36.260
<v Sam>True that's absolutely true.

01:47:36.260 --> 01:47:39.660
<v Ivan>That's the thing you write a book get some speaking or again.

01:47:39.660 --> 01:47:43.000
<v Sam>You go the menendez route you know and then.

01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:48.600
<v Ivan>You can make the big I don't really recommend the route of getting paid in gold

01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:51.780
<v Ivan>bars and just stuffed envelopes with cash.

01:47:51.900 --> 01:47:57.640
<v Sam>In order to influence your political actions.

01:47:58.380 --> 01:48:00.800
<v Ivan>Yes, I highly discourage it.

01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:06.140
<v Sam>You think the little downside of jail, that it's not worth it?

01:48:06.160 --> 01:48:09.360
<v Ivan>It's not great. It's not good. It's not great. Right. Is that,

01:48:09.380 --> 01:48:12.840
<v Ivan>you know, I, I will say, you know, for people I've spoken to,

01:48:12.860 --> 01:48:15.400
<v Ivan>but experience is not, not enjoyable.

01:48:15.580 --> 01:48:21.260
<v Sam>And so to be absolutely clear, I am not encouraging my wife to take that route.

01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:22.400
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:48:22.820 --> 01:48:26.260
<v Sam>Not that she would consider it anyway, but you know, yeah.

01:48:26.620 --> 01:48:31.280
<v Sam>Anyway. Okay. We're let's stuff at the end, stuff at the end time,

01:48:31.400 --> 01:48:33.580
<v Sam>go to curmudgeons, hyphen corner.com.

01:48:34.140 --> 01:48:40.560
<v Sam>You will find there all the ways to contact us, email facebook mastodon you

01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:45.280
<v Sam>will find our archives including transcripts for more recent episodes,

01:48:46.200 --> 01:48:49.060
<v Sam>one thing you will not find there yet for

01:48:49.060 --> 01:48:53.640
<v Sam>the last three weeks we've been live streaming on youtube as well i'll i'll

01:48:53.640 --> 01:49:00.620
<v Sam>eventually add a link there i guess but you can uh go what is it it's youtube.com

01:49:00.620 --> 01:49:06.760
<v Sam>slash at curmudgeons hyphen corner and you will find our youtube channel if you

01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:09.260
<v Sam>subscribe and hit the little bell,

01:49:09.420 --> 01:49:11.460
<v Sam>you'll get notifications when we go live.

01:49:13.710 --> 01:49:22.130
<v Sam>Bell. Yes, yes. And, and also, yeah, I, I, when we go live, it's posting on

01:49:22.130 --> 01:49:25.290
<v Sam>Mastodon on the Corregions Corner Mastodon account too. So you can follow there.

01:49:25.470 --> 01:49:31.050
<v Sam>And of course the live streams stay there after the show is over.

01:49:31.130 --> 01:49:34.330
<v Sam>So if you prefer watching unedited

01:49:34.330 --> 01:49:38.750
<v Sam>video of us talking instead of audio podcast, you can check it out.

01:49:39.110 --> 01:49:43.970
<v Sam>Anyway, that's all the stuff there, there except for the Patreon that is also

01:49:43.970 --> 01:49:45.910
<v Sam>linked from curmudgeons-corner.com.

01:49:46.050 --> 01:49:48.930
<v Sam>And on that, you can give us money.

01:49:49.310 --> 01:49:53.410
<v Sam>And at various levels, we will send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug.

01:49:53.510 --> 01:49:54.850
<v Sam>We will mention you on the show.

01:49:54.970 --> 01:50:01.290
<v Sam>We will ring that bell that Yvonne just did and all of that sort of fun stuff.

01:50:01.950 --> 01:50:05.270
<v Sam>And importantly, at $2 a month or more,

01:50:05.390 --> 01:50:08.370
<v Sam>or if you just ask us, we will

01:50:08.370 --> 01:50:11.270
<v Sam>invite you to the to curmudgeon's corner slack where yvonne and i and

01:50:11.270 --> 01:50:15.730
<v Sam>a bunch of listeners are chatting throughout the week and sharing links talking

01:50:15.730 --> 01:50:20.510
<v Sam>about the news there was quite a bit of activity on the slack this week about

01:50:20.510 --> 01:50:25.370
<v Sam>all the all the politics stuff going on but yvonne do you have a highlight from

01:50:25.370 --> 01:50:29.970
<v Sam>the slack that you'd want to share that would encourage people to join us there.

01:50:29.970 --> 01:50:33.950
<v Ivan>Well this week you know we had that crowd crowd strike out.

01:50:33.950 --> 01:50:35.610
<v Sam>Yeah we talked about that last we.

01:50:35.610 --> 01:50:40.150
<v Ivan>Talked about that last week, but this week, CrowdStrike, you know,

01:50:40.150 --> 01:50:45.210
<v Ivan>trying to mend fences with people, you know, as, you know, the company with a heart.

01:50:46.090 --> 01:50:49.390
<v Ivan>CrowdStrike offers, you know, there's a TechCrunch article where CrowdStrike

01:50:49.390 --> 01:50:54.610
<v Ivan>is offering, offers a $10 apology gift card to say sorry for the outage.

01:50:54.790 --> 01:50:59.130
<v Ivan>And several people who received the CrowdStrike offer found that the gift card didn't work.

01:50:59.650 --> 01:51:00.170
<v Sam>Nice.

01:51:00.350 --> 01:51:03.610
<v Ivan>While others got an error saying the voucher had been canceled.

01:51:03.950 --> 01:51:06.530
<v Ivan>Way to go, CrowdStrike. Great job.

01:51:07.670 --> 01:51:13.870
<v Sam>Yes and that's all that's finally all all subsided right like delta was the

01:51:13.870 --> 01:51:16.570
<v Sam>last one that was having problems and they all caught up they.

01:51:16.570 --> 01:51:19.810
<v Ivan>They've been able to get finally all back in order.

01:51:19.810 --> 01:51:22.430
<v Sam>Yeah and most of that was catching up i have heard.

01:51:22.430 --> 01:51:24.030
<v Ivan>There's a whole bunch of straggler.

01:51:24.030 --> 01:51:25.210
<v Sam>Yeah computers.

01:51:25.210 --> 01:51:27.270
<v Ivan>Like in places but nothing.

01:51:27.270 --> 01:51:29.110
<v Sam>That has nothing with a big impact significant.

01:51:29.110 --> 01:51:30.190
<v Ivan>Impact Right now.

01:51:30.650 --> 01:51:33.510
<v Sam>Okay. And I guess we're done.

01:51:33.890 --> 01:51:38.050
<v Sam>Are we done for we're, we're, we're under two hours for once.

01:51:38.150 --> 01:51:41.370
<v Sam>We hadn't, we haven't managed that in a few weeks, so we've, we've done good.

01:51:41.430 --> 01:51:45.610
<v Ivan>Right. Good. Good. Great. Wonderful.

01:51:45.970 --> 01:51:51.030
<v Sam>Right. Yes. Anyway, I, I, I'm confused and bewildered.

01:51:51.070 --> 01:51:52.830
<v Ivan>Any other adjectives that we want to throw?

01:51:53.910 --> 01:51:54.710
<v Sam>Confused, bewildered.

01:51:54.710 --> 01:51:57.510
<v Ivan>That's the Biden-esque. Biden-esque.

01:51:57.550 --> 01:52:02.510
<v Sam>Biden-esque. anyway we're done here uh thanks everybody for joining us have a great week,

01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:06.140
<v Sam>I don't, we'll see what happens next week.

01:52:08.380 --> 01:52:09.840
<v Sam>You know, it's, it's.

01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:11.560
<v Ivan>I mean, for all we know.

01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:15.080
<v Sam>We said it was going to be a roller coaster this year. Yvonne,

01:52:15.160 --> 01:52:17.780
<v Sam>we, you know, we may not have gotten this.

01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:22.800
<v Ivan>We have not. I mean, I've realized right now that my prediction for president is.

01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:26.440
<v Sam>Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean.

01:52:26.480 --> 01:52:30.580
<v Ivan>I've got no way of my, my prediction right now has no way of happening.

01:52:30.620 --> 01:52:33.800
<v Sam>I think you're the only one. Yeah, I think since I actually predicted Trump

01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:38.400
<v Sam>would win, I got who the Democratic nominee would be wrong, obviously.

01:52:39.340 --> 01:52:44.740
<v Ivan>Yeah, I got that wrong. Yeah, I got that wrong. And I predicted somebody that

01:52:44.740 --> 01:52:46.900
<v Ivan>is not on the ballot anymore.

01:52:46.900 --> 01:52:50.140
<v Sam>Yes not gonna be so the we we weren't

01:52:50.140 --> 01:52:53.300
<v Sam>great on the specifics but we did predict that

01:52:53.300 --> 01:52:56.140
<v Sam>this year would be a roller coaster and i think i don't that

01:52:56.140 --> 01:52:59.960
<v Sam>what we did i don't know i don't i don't know if we said that in the show it's

01:52:59.960 --> 01:53:04.940
<v Sam>in the prediction show itself but we we did say sometime that this year would

01:53:04.940 --> 01:53:08.300
<v Sam>be a roller coaster and it certainly has been so far and i think it's gonna

01:53:08.300 --> 01:53:11.980
<v Sam>it hasn't disappointed i think it's i think it's gonna be chaotic the rest of

01:53:11.980 --> 01:53:14.340
<v Sam>the year too so So we'll see how it goes.

01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:16.920
<v Sam>Anyway, I was starting to say,

01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:22.200
<v Sam>stay safe, have a good week, and we'll talk to you next time. Goodbye.

01:53:23.020 --> 01:53:23.460
<v Ivan>Bye.

01:53:54.990 --> 01:53:57.730
<v Sam>Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bo. I'm hitting stop.

01:53:58.610 --> 01:53:59.190
<v Ivan>All right.

01:53:59.950 --> 01:54:03.070
<v Sam>Do, do, do. Do, do, do. Do, do, do.

01:54:03.310 --> 01:54:06.950
<v Sam>Do, do, do. Hey, this is Sam. I just finished editing the show,

01:54:07.070 --> 01:54:10.590
<v Sam>and I have a question for you that I forgot to put in the show.

01:54:11.010 --> 01:54:16.470
<v Sam>Last week, I asked for feedback because I edited the show a little bit differently,

01:54:16.570 --> 01:54:22.130
<v Sam>and I said at the end of the show, hey, let me know basically how I did.

01:54:22.410 --> 01:54:24.170
<v Sam>I got no feedback whatsoever.

01:54:24.990 --> 01:54:28.530
<v Sam>So I'm going to ask again, I'm asking two questions.

01:54:28.930 --> 01:54:36.530
<v Sam>A, did you notice any difference whatsoever on what the show sounded like or how the show sounded?

01:54:36.630 --> 01:54:39.330
<v Sam>You know what I mean? Did you notice any difference at all?

01:54:39.530 --> 01:54:46.410
<v Sam>And B, if you did notice a difference, was it better or worse than before?

01:54:46.830 --> 01:54:50.530
<v Sam>I'm basically trying to decide whether I continue to do things the way I have

01:54:50.530 --> 01:54:54.390
<v Sam>the last two weeks or whether I go back to what I have done before.

01:54:54.390 --> 01:54:58.770
<v Sam>And so I'm soliciting feedback to like, you know, the audience here,

01:54:58.910 --> 01:55:00.950
<v Sam>like, does it make any difference?

01:55:01.030 --> 01:55:05.730
<v Sam>And I guess if I hear nothing from anybody that, you know, either it makes no

01:55:05.730 --> 01:55:06.990
<v Sam>difference or you just don't care.

01:55:07.270 --> 01:55:09.310
<v Sam>So I'll just do whatever.

01:55:09.870 --> 01:55:13.410
<v Sam>But I would love to hear from you. Like, did you notice a difference?

01:55:13.650 --> 01:55:16.470
<v Sam>And if you did notice a difference, is it better or worse?

01:55:16.590 --> 01:55:22.390
<v Sam>Because I'd like to do what people like, but, and I'm very carefully not saying

01:55:22.390 --> 01:55:28.770
<v Sam>what I did differently because I don't want to bias what you think, but let me know.

01:55:28.850 --> 01:55:34.770
<v Sam>I'd love the feedback. Of course, very few people make it this far in the show, so who knows?

01:55:35.510 --> 01:55:39.370
<v Sam>Even our loyal listeners often skip the last couple minutes because it's like,

01:55:39.450 --> 01:55:41.930
<v Sam>okay, you're giving the regular info at the end of the show,

01:55:42.010 --> 01:55:43.570
<v Sam>and I've heard this a thousand times before.

01:55:43.750 --> 01:55:47.450
<v Sam>But anyway, if you do hear this, let me know.

01:55:47.510 --> 01:55:52.670
<v Sam>I may ask one more time on the show, maybe at the beginning of the show instead of the end. I don't know.

01:55:53.970 --> 01:55:55.590
<v Sam>Anyway, bye for real.

