WEBVTT 00:00:01.130 --> 00:00:10.150 Well greetings greetings programs any bad thing thing what. 00:00:10.150 --> 00:00:15.150 Hang on hang on i'm i'm working on putting these things where they belong hold on. 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:16.470 Okay yeah headphones. 00:00:16.470 --> 00:00:19.670 Buttons let's see. 00:00:19.670 --> 00:00:28.930 Gain mostly down yeah hello oh jesus my ears and and you like i think. 00:00:28.930 --> 00:00:30.450 You could i think you can hear me. 00:00:30.450 --> 00:00:35.730 And you like it on the circle one the omni-directional one uh-huh very exciting 00:00:35.730 --> 00:00:43.390 so shall we just jump right in then as usual sure okay one place get my thingy 00:00:43.390 --> 00:00:49.690 and do the blah and here here we go intro intro coming coming soon, 00:01:15.750 --> 00:01:22.530 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, July 20th, 2024. 00:01:22.670 --> 00:01:28.010 It is just a few seconds before 2 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter. 00:01:28.690 --> 00:01:31.150 Yvonne Bowe is here too. Hello, Yvonne. 00:01:31.670 --> 00:01:32.110 Hi. 00:01:32.830 --> 00:01:38.830 So our plan, as per usual for the last couple months, is that we have no real plan. 00:01:39.230 --> 00:01:46.090 We're going to do our first segment with a couple of less newsy things to start 00:01:46.090 --> 00:01:50.390 with, and then we'll have a segment where Yvonne picks newsy things, 00:01:50.510 --> 00:01:53.270 and then we'll have a segment where I pick newsy things, and then we'll be done. 00:01:53.270 --> 00:02:00.630 And I hope we need to get back into the swing of being shorter again, Yvonne. 00:02:00.790 --> 00:02:03.550 Like, we've been tending to— Well. 00:02:03.570 --> 00:02:06.530 First of all, last week we had to add— I know! 00:02:06.570 --> 00:02:11.430 Last week we were already at, like, nearly two and a half hours. 00:02:11.510 --> 00:02:16.710 And then we added nearly an additional half hour on the assassination attempt. 00:02:16.770 --> 00:02:20.890 Well, but that's not my fault that, you know— It would be real news if it wasn't your fault. 00:02:20.890 --> 00:02:21.730 Fault. 00:02:21.730 --> 00:02:28.670 Yes that would be well that would be i mean that might make the podcast a lot more popular but. 00:02:28.670 --> 00:02:31.430 It wasn't me i do not recommend that plus. 00:02:31.430 --> 00:02:34.030 And plus you know i may be dead. 00:02:34.030 --> 00:02:40.370 Yes true true you know but we we've been we've been routinely over two hours 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:45.930 again our target is 90 minutes to two hours and we and we we've been once again 00:02:45.930 --> 00:02:48.950 like just yammering on incessantly and never stopping. 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:54.860 It's apparently an innate quality that we have. 00:02:55.020 --> 00:02:55.560 It is. 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:00.640 As curmudgeons or yammers, you know, kind of a thing. 00:03:01.320 --> 00:03:03.340 Yammerer's Corner could be one of our competitors. 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:08.560 Yeah, yammers, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Indeed, yes, yes. 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:12.480 So, do you have a non-newsy thing you'd like to start with? 00:03:12.540 --> 00:03:18.360 Or, you know, another way we could do it this time, because there is a non-politics 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:25.500 news story like we could do that and then do other newsy stuff i don't know like whatever. 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:30.080 You want i mean i was gonna mention that on a happy note lou dobbs died oh. 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:31.980 On a happy note lou. 00:03:31.980 --> 00:03:36.640 Dobbs died yes okay one less prick on this fucking planet, 00:03:37.940 --> 00:03:44.920 you know i i had i i mentioned on the slack that i really hate i hate this entire, 00:03:46.180 --> 00:03:50.020 fucking generation of right-wing assholes okay 00:03:50.020 --> 00:03:54.340 because they have made me i i 00:03:54.340 --> 00:04:01.400 was not like this i was not one that even with somebody as such a prick like 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.560 this would die would i feel like this 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:11.500 But these guys have made me now just basically be, oh, Lou Dobbs died? 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:17.120 Oh, great. You're going to fucking hell if there is one. Beautiful. 00:04:17.380 --> 00:04:20.860 Say hi to Stalin for me, will ya? You sack of shit. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.580 Okay. Yes. 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.620 So, yeah, I hate these people for that. 00:04:27.140 --> 00:04:28.160 I get that. 00:04:28.300 --> 00:04:30.260 And I'm not one that likes hating people. 00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:32.100 Yes. 00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:35.220 I don't feel good about myself feeling like this. 00:04:36.100 --> 00:04:40.100 This is not something I'm proud of. But I am. 00:04:40.180 --> 00:04:45.440 I'm putting it out there simply because I don't want to lie about my feelings about it. 00:04:46.540 --> 00:04:47.360 I get that. 00:04:48.080 --> 00:04:54.760 You know? But I don't feel good that this is what these people have made me become. 00:04:56.220 --> 00:05:00.020 Well, you know, I mean, along those lines, 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.700 I mean, we all went, last week, 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:12.120 we all went through the expected conversation about how it was good that the 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:18.140 assassination attempt did not succeed because of all the bad things that could have occurred. 00:05:18.400 --> 00:05:23.760 Like, but I will fully admit, I've seen a lot of people online being like, 00:05:23.900 --> 00:05:25.620 how can you be that bad a shot? 00:05:25.840 --> 00:05:29.320 How did he miss? Why couldn't he, couldn't he have hit? 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.180 And I admit it's a little bit tempting. 00:05:35.140 --> 00:05:38.100 Yes, it is. It is. 00:05:38.460 --> 00:05:44.360 So yeah, I don't like this about myself, Sam. I don't like what these people have done to us. 00:05:44.860 --> 00:05:45.380 Right. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:52.160 No, I don't like it. So aside from the fact how these people have impaired my 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:59.220 ability to empathize with people. Okay. This is. 00:06:00.700 --> 00:06:06.620 Yeah, we had a major IT outage. And then I happened to have this evening a major 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:10.580 IT outage by one of my biggest customers as well. 00:06:10.700 --> 00:06:16.040 I don't think it was related to this from CrowdStrike. 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.800 I'm not sure yet. They haven't like root cause analysis, analyzed it. 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:28.220 But the outage happened where all of a sudden user access started being blocked 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:32.500 for everybody for some reason. 00:06:33.620 --> 00:06:37.780 Nobody can explain to me why that happened. It's like really weird. 00:06:38.540 --> 00:06:44.100 People are able to restore it pretty quickly, but it was very confusing as to why. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.420 I've never seen anything like what the hell happened tonight. 00:06:47.420 --> 00:06:50.220 and i'm and i'm and i'm saying it may not 00:06:50.220 --> 00:06:53.120 be related to this but we haven't really root cause to analyze 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.920 it and i i don't know i don't know 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.360 what the hell the cause of it was i just don't know but but 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:07.240 speak i mean what a fucking cock up of a damn are we going to talk about yeah 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:13.100 yeah yeah i mean what the what a fucking cock up of a software update man i 00:07:13.100 --> 00:07:16.440 mean i you know So, I mean, 00:07:16.460 --> 00:07:19.560 I've seen bad software updates cause problems, 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:26.980 but the level of this stupidity is many levels above. 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:32.840 And the one thing I saw was apparently they're saying that CrowdStrike did this 00:07:32.840 --> 00:07:36.920 to Linux in April as well. 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:43.260 Well, so something with their process is just not working very well when they 00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:46.940 are testing these product updates. 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:58.980 And, you know, we are in an era right now where many applications are moving from a... 00:08:00.490 --> 00:08:08.150 From a system where, hey, we issue a patch, and then the IT organization or 00:08:08.150 --> 00:08:12.070 end user is responsible for applying that in some way. 00:08:12.390 --> 00:08:16.270 Sometimes he used to be with very complex instructions. Sometimes he had to 00:08:16.270 --> 00:08:19.870 bring down systems. But now we do a lot of hot patching. 00:08:20.110 --> 00:08:24.690 So basically, things are in production, and we issue these updates. 00:08:24.690 --> 00:08:32.290 and well i mean when you've got a system like this it brought i mean it's just 00:08:32.290 --> 00:08:36.730 such a massive outage this is crazy now so. 00:08:36.730 --> 00:08:41.370 So back up a little bit describe what happened since we're talking about this. 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:45.390 Well my understanding is that okay so crowd 00:08:45.390 --> 00:08:49.090 strike is in many computers is 00:08:49.090 --> 00:08:52.430 deployed as an agent it's not like an antivirus 00:08:52.430 --> 00:08:55.410 in the in the traditional sense but it's something that monitors what 00:08:55.410 --> 00:08:58.650 is going on activity for anomalous activity in 00:08:58.650 --> 00:09:03.490 order to be able to block it on on endpoint devices okay okay so they issued 00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:08.890 some kind of fucking update for microsoft for for windows users like last night 00:09:08.890 --> 00:09:11.630 which basically blocked them 00:09:11.630 --> 00:09:15.830 blocked all these machines it now i i do I do think that you had to have, 00:09:15.990 --> 00:09:20.290 the machines had to be shut down. It was during boot up. 00:09:20.330 --> 00:09:26.690 But presumably lots of places just have a standard procedure where everything 00:09:26.690 --> 00:09:28.650 reboots overnight or something, right? 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:30.410 No, they don't. 00:09:30.790 --> 00:09:33.730 I mean, well, but if it has to reboot, then why does that? 00:09:33.750 --> 00:09:34.130 Yeah. 00:09:35.130 --> 00:09:39.310 It's a monthly endpoint. Well, the thing is that the issue wouldn't crop up 00:09:39.310 --> 00:09:41.230 until you were rebooting, is what I'm saying. 00:09:41.390 --> 00:09:41.770 Okay. 00:09:41.910 --> 00:09:44.630 They applied the patch, and then if the machine had to reboot, 00:09:44.850 --> 00:09:45.910 then all of a sudden you're fucked. 00:09:46.890 --> 00:09:51.670 Because it would block all access to, I mean, it just bricked the damn thing. 00:09:51.830 --> 00:09:57.010 Now, I saw that the method of unbricking it was, you could start up the computer 00:09:57.010 --> 00:10:00.210 in safe mode and delete this one specific file. 00:10:00.470 --> 00:10:00.870 Right. 00:10:01.250 --> 00:10:04.730 That was deployed, and then restart the computer, and it would start up. 00:10:05.130 --> 00:10:08.810 So that was the solution that I saw that many shared. 00:10:08.890 --> 00:10:13.130 But the thing is that I was talking to people or places where this was, 00:10:13.190 --> 00:10:20.130 and in fact, my understanding was, I guess if you hadn't rebooted, 00:10:20.350 --> 00:10:25.390 then you weren't impacted immediately. 00:10:25.810 --> 00:10:30.110 And so you could get an update because they issued another update, 00:10:30.190 --> 00:10:34.090 which fixed the problem. right but but you know so. 00:10:34.090 --> 00:10:38.770 But but if you had the problem in the first place my understanding was to even 00:10:38.770 --> 00:10:42.830 get it to boot to the point that anything was functional you had to reboot into 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:47.790 safe mode first yeah yes so like you had to go to say so like you couldn't automatically 00:10:47.790 --> 00:10:53.210 push a fix because it was too busy rebooting itself. 00:10:54.410 --> 00:10:54.830 Well, right! 00:10:55.770 --> 00:10:55.870 Yeah. 00:10:57.750 --> 00:11:10.670 I mean, now I just think that not being not being you know an expert in this 00:11:10.670 --> 00:11:12.030 endpoint protection myself. 00:11:12.410 --> 00:11:20.270 I know of it because I know that my computer for work does have it deployed but but. 00:11:21.390 --> 00:11:26.450 I just, it just shows the risks that we have with this kind of stuff. 00:11:26.530 --> 00:11:30.530 Then we have the solar winds outage that we had where there was this massive, 00:11:31.170 --> 00:11:33.670 or we had a hack for solar winds. 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:39.550 And with a lot of this distributed batch, you see, I see a lot of people that 00:11:39.550 --> 00:11:45.510 are resistant to moving to this model because you're forced into updates. 00:11:45.510 --> 00:11:52.890 And I have seen so many people using applications in this method that especially 00:11:52.890 --> 00:11:57.230 if they have interdependencies with more legacy systems, 00:11:57.390 --> 00:12:01.350 because if you built something from the ground up as a SAS model, 00:12:01.510 --> 00:12:04.130 the cloud, usually this isn't a big deal. 00:12:04.510 --> 00:12:10.790 It's not as big a deal. But many people, you know, you get a lot of these cloud applications. 00:12:10.950 --> 00:12:14.570 They have so many integrations with other stuff. One of the problems is with 00:12:14.570 --> 00:12:18.890 any update in SaaS is that many of the updates, you can't like reject them. 00:12:18.970 --> 00:12:23.350 It's not like you can take it, test it, check what the problem is, and then roll it out. No. 00:12:23.610 --> 00:12:28.150 A day rolls around and an update happens and you don't have any control. 00:12:28.530 --> 00:12:28.970 Okay. 00:12:29.250 --> 00:12:35.070 And if it breaks something, then you're fucked. And this is kind of like this. 00:12:35.070 --> 00:12:39.970 This is the perfect example. I saw one person posting online that said like, 00:12:40.070 --> 00:12:43.090 Hey, you're an it manager at a company and this screwed you over. 00:12:43.150 --> 00:12:45.190 And you're like, well, it's not my fault. It hit everybody. 00:12:45.570 --> 00:12:49.470 And their response was, well, yeah, but you didn't set up a system that would, 00:12:49.530 --> 00:12:56.670 you know, test updates on a one box before you released it to everybody and all this. You can't. 00:12:56.690 --> 00:13:00.950 Not with this stuff. You can't. You can't. This bypasses that process. 00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:03.550 Yes. I mean, that's the thing. 00:13:04.410 --> 00:13:08.150 I mean, that's the problem. Now, I do, you know, not speaking, 00:13:08.310 --> 00:13:12.630 I don't want to speak specifics to any companies. of course okay like right 00:13:12.630 --> 00:13:17.170 now but but you know there there are there are vendors that do provide, 00:13:19.210 --> 00:13:28.350 certain services in order to say hey this is the planned patch for in 90 days 00:13:28.350 --> 00:13:33.550 let's say a number okay we have an we have a test environment for you that's 00:13:33.550 --> 00:13:35.370 even on the on on the cloud for you 00:13:35.410 --> 00:13:42.790 to test it to see whether it'll work or whether you would have issues with that. 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:48.130 So there are some vendors that do provide that. It doesn't seem that CrowdStrike 00:13:48.130 --> 00:13:51.670 works that way, as far as I can tell. 00:13:51.730 --> 00:13:53.750 Basically, there's been so much 00:13:53.750 --> 00:13:58.090 trust, I guess, in their client that it wouldn't do something like this. 00:13:58.210 --> 00:14:05.290 Now, one of our Slack people mentioned that. One of our Slack people, yes. one of our slackers, 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:12.840 Mention that there is a distinct difference between why this is more likely 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.640 in Windows and Linux versus macOS environments. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:19.120 Okay. 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:25.020 The main reason is that Apple, for better or worse, 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:33.380 has far more restrictive access to the base operating system, 00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:39.860 to the kernel, to the root parts of the OS. You really can't get there. 00:14:39.860 --> 00:14:42.720 Apple has been locking this stuff 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.900 down more and more over the years in terms 00:14:45.900 --> 00:14:49.820 of making things that are you 00:14:49.820 --> 00:14:55.440 know programs are sandboxed ideally right there's very limited access if you 00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:00.360 if a program needs to have permission to do something it asks explicitly and 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:06.300 the user has to say yes they can do this like you know i set up my new computer 00:15:06.300 --> 00:15:09.400 a few weeks ago and it seemed like for the first few few days, 00:15:09.460 --> 00:15:13.780 everything I was freaking doing was giving some program permission to something or other. 00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:17.060 Like this program can use the camera. This one can use the microphone. 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:22.240 This one can access your hard drive. This one can access your documents folder, et cetera. 00:15:22.400 --> 00:15:29.320 And, and on and on and on because they are making it so that those choices are explicit. 00:15:29.660 --> 00:15:31.900 And you can't even at that level. 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:36.560 I can't accidentally download like some program that's going to screw you over. 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:40.400 And like you were are about to say, like there are system level stuffs, 00:15:40.660 --> 00:15:43.740 stuffs, their system level of saying stuffs. 00:15:43.740 --> 00:15:44.220 I like it. 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.460 That are even more locked down 00:15:47.460 --> 00:15:52.620 that require you to like really know what you're the fuck you're doing. 00:15:52.660 --> 00:15:54.420 If you want to enable it to do 00:15:54.420 --> 00:15:58.840 it, you have to like jump through hoops and you know, to even get there. 00:15:59.470 --> 00:16:09.490 But it's the one thing is that what our slacker was mentioning was Apple's infuriatingly 00:16:09.490 --> 00:16:12.210 restrictive attitude towards kernel extensions, 00:16:12.650 --> 00:16:14.830 okay, to be specific, okay? 00:16:14.870 --> 00:16:20.590 That at the kernel level, they're like, no, you're not doing anything there, okay? 00:16:21.030 --> 00:16:25.790 You're not doing it. Whereas if you use Linux or any of these other systems, 00:16:25.850 --> 00:16:27.290 you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. 00:16:27.290 --> 00:16:31.330 Say with iOS, for example, which is extremely restrictive, is one of the reasons 00:16:31.330 --> 00:16:38.550 why so many of the EU try to say, hey, you don't let siloed apps, 00:16:38.630 --> 00:16:39.730 you don't do this, you don't do this. 00:16:39.910 --> 00:16:44.930 And all of those reasons are precisely to try to avoid this kind of shit from happening. 00:16:45.070 --> 00:16:49.130 And this kind of shit, listen, this happened from what was supposed to be a 00:16:49.130 --> 00:16:51.790 benevolent actor, not a malicious actor. 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:52.530 Okay? 00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:52.890 Right. 00:16:53.070 --> 00:16:54.230 Can you fucking imagine? 00:16:54.730 --> 00:17:00.390 Yeah. They just screwed up. i mean now do we that's the thing do. 00:17:00.390 --> 00:17:04.790 We know the details of the screw-up they made was it just like somebody missed. 00:17:04.790 --> 00:17:05.770 A semicolon in. 00:17:05.770 --> 00:17:07.190 A configuration file or something. 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:10.150 I i i have no idea i i 00:17:10.150 --> 00:17:19.590 i haven't seen any further details um i have not but but you know what i was 00:17:19.590 --> 00:17:24.650 seeing was that and somebody was making a joke that it depended on i think it 00:17:24.650 --> 00:17:28.770 was people were talking And I'm not familiar with it. 00:17:28.830 --> 00:17:36.970 There is this encryption with Microsoft that people use to encrypt their hard drives. 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:38.930 I think it is BitLocker. 00:17:38.990 --> 00:17:39.810 Okay, yep, yep. 00:17:40.250 --> 00:17:45.990 And they were talking that if you use BitLocker, it's a Windows security feature 00:17:45.990 --> 00:17:47.830 that provides encryption for entire volumes. 00:17:48.530 --> 00:17:52.590 If you're using BitLocker, you basically have to wipe the damn machine and go 00:17:52.590 --> 00:17:54.670 back to restore from a backup. 00:17:55.840 --> 00:17:59.220 That was the one thing that I kept seeing people complaining. 00:17:59.940 --> 00:18:05.280 CrowdStrike outage. How to fix BSOD on BitLocker-enabled Microsoft Windows PCs and laptops. 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.880 Apparently, this is... Yeah, it's... 00:18:11.580 --> 00:18:16.060 These instructions are far more involved. Well, you gotta have your BitLocker key, apparently. 00:18:16.360 --> 00:18:20.280 So if you don't have the key, then you're fucked. Let's start off with that. 00:18:20.360 --> 00:18:22.400 Beautiful. Always good. 00:18:23.060 --> 00:18:26.540 So that's an issue. and 00:18:26.540 --> 00:18:29.260 it is because you need the bitlocker key in order to be able to go 00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:34.820 delete the and it says here that it's a driver we still have drivers well we 00:18:34.820 --> 00:18:38.580 have drivers I know but these selfies don't whatever whatnot but yeah but you 00:18:38.580 --> 00:18:44.060 know it's apparently it says here navigate to the command prompt and you know 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:48.280 this will delete the faulty crowd strike driver causing the issue, 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.720 what a what a shit show but you know, 00:18:52.760 --> 00:18:58.200 look this week week, we also found out, was it this week or was it last week, 00:18:58.360 --> 00:19:03.540 that AT&T breach, the one where they were able to get all our information about 00:19:03.540 --> 00:19:07.000 all the communications, calls, and text messages that we've sent. 00:19:07.120 --> 00:19:09.660 Now, this is metadata, not the actual text messages. 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.880 We found out it was another cloud. Okay, so AT&T apparently subscribed to this 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:16.800 cloud provider called Snowflake. 00:19:17.340 --> 00:19:22.080 And apparently the breach happened at Snowflake. And apparently they were able 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:26.680 able to get a lot more information, more than just the AT&T stuff from Snowflake, apparently. 00:19:27.800 --> 00:19:31.260 So, who the hell knows what other information they were able to get. 00:19:31.560 --> 00:19:35.880 But apparently Snowflake is a provider for this kind of information for the, 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.220 telecommunications industry and the cloud, 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:43.900 They also got breached. Nice. It's great. 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:46.200 Yes. You know? Beautiful. 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.700 Well, somebody wouldn't have said, by the way, which I did like the idea was 00:19:49.700 --> 00:19:56.620 that, hey, if somebody can find in that metadata file Clarence Thomas's phone, 00:19:56.740 --> 00:20:00.400 and if they could see who he was communicating with, 00:20:00.620 --> 00:20:04.060 there's a few people that we could look up to see who they were communicating. 00:20:04.420 --> 00:20:07.380 It'd be interesting to find out who they've been talking to. 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:09.720 Not that you would advocate anything criminal here. 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:15.880 No no no I'm already hey the data's already out it's out there I imagine. 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.500 There's still some rules about using it if you got. 00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:22.640 Trapped I think. 00:20:23.320 --> 00:20:26.300 Like if stolen data is. 00:20:26.300 --> 00:20:30.700 Put out there on a public server you know this is the same shit the NSA was 00:20:30.700 --> 00:20:39.380 getting for years that Snowden was exposing so you know but I mean you know 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.700 So Monday felt this week like it was Friday already. 00:20:46.420 --> 00:20:51.160 That's how long this week has been. I went to Puerto Rico on Monday. 00:20:51.260 --> 00:20:55.360 I came back on Tuesday and then my flight arrived. 00:20:56.300 --> 00:21:01.660 Somebody noticed this and I just noticed the stat. I've flown from San Juan 00:21:01.660 --> 00:21:05.480 to Miami seven times this year, which I'm shocked that it's seven times. 00:21:05.560 --> 00:21:08.500 Okay. All right. So basically like once a month. Okay. 00:21:09.660 --> 00:21:16.260 Every single flight, every single time my flight home has been delayed from San Juan. All of them. 00:21:16.620 --> 00:21:19.900 Well, at least you weren't trying to fly anywhere today. 00:21:20.600 --> 00:21:24.580 At least I wasn't trying to fly anywhere. I know. 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:29.820 I know you started to move on, but did we even talk about all the things that were impacted by? 00:21:30.540 --> 00:21:36.380 No, no, no, we didn't. Because it was like everything, like all the airlines. 00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:40.000 there were like 20 some odd thousand canceled flights 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.460 today okay i mean i heard 00:21:43.460 --> 00:21:46.840 ehr records you know 00:21:46.840 --> 00:21:53.860 the epic the emr they were down news organizations tv stations right i mean 00:21:53.860 --> 00:21:58.700 it was like everybody i mean everything got affected now i must admit whatever 00:21:58.700 --> 00:22:05.000 the hell i use if i hadn't seen the news i would have struggled to find out that it was down i. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:12.220 Think like i my my main effect like our our our email was down at work. 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:17.620 Oh really yeah well there was a but but was that related to this because i know 00:22:17.620 --> 00:22:19.580 that there's an azure outage i. 00:22:19.580 --> 00:22:23.220 I don't know it was outlook it was microsoft it was whatever. 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:26.820 Oh well now you're doing the same thing everybody's bitching well this wasn't 00:22:26.820 --> 00:22:32.960 microsoft well yeah i know it wasn't microsoft but you know it really impact everybody with 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:38.220 with with windows but there was okay well no that was because there was a separate 00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:45.760 outage with azure last night and right around the same fucking time of all things 00:22:45.760 --> 00:22:50.300 nice so we had that going on you know, 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.460 You know, somebody was saying that one of the, one of the things that you discover 00:22:56.460 --> 00:23:00.420 with this stuff is New York subways were all running without a problem. 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:01.160 Okay. 00:23:01.300 --> 00:23:05.120 Now there weren't automated announcements happening and some other stuff or 00:23:05.120 --> 00:23:06.800 whatever, but all the trains were what? 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.320 In part because you know what that infrastructure is. So it's, 00:23:11.320 --> 00:23:12.660 it's for the most part analog. 00:23:13.180 --> 00:23:17.580 So I don't give a shit about this crap. That didn't impact it. 00:23:17.580 --> 00:23:20.580 but you know you got you got people 00:23:20.580 --> 00:23:24.080 who couldn't like check into hotels you can't 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:27.100 like you know call a doctor and 00:23:27.100 --> 00:23:31.040 book an appointment well lots of people had you couldn't check out and such 00:23:31.040 --> 00:23:36.780 yes because that because the freaking you know massive like electronic health 00:23:36.780 --> 00:23:44.000 records outage yes i mean yeah it's it's fucked up well you know if you go to 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.040 a hospital right now yes you go to a 00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:49.180 hospital right now okay you think about 00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:52.200 all the technology that they have put in place in 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:57.020 order to prevent medical mistakes that that is you know you go and like you're 00:23:57.020 --> 00:24:01.320 going to get medicines handed to you they usually will go around with a computer 00:24:01.320 --> 00:24:07.980 with a cart scanning it scanning your wristband to say hey this is your patient 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:11.640 a this is the medicine for patient a the computer will tell 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.920 you yes this is the person that should get it okay that 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.180 person will get that okay you're gonna go make a 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:23.000 surgery everything is in the damn computer so the x-rays documentation notes 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.800 whatever the hell it is you're gonna do which leg you're gonna operate you know 00:24:26.800 --> 00:24:30.680 whatever all the instructions that they had placed it's all in there so you 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:35.300 can't go and fucking operate on them you don't got any of the damn information right. 00:24:35.300 --> 00:24:38.980 It's it's not like they can go to the backup There's no backup paper file. 00:24:39.540 --> 00:24:42.440 Right. There's no backup paper file anymore. It's gone. 00:24:44.830 --> 00:24:49.070 You could just be like, which kidney did you need removed again? 00:24:49.690 --> 00:24:52.050 Right, exactly. I'll guess. 00:24:52.590 --> 00:24:56.870 Yeah, we'll guess. We'll guess. Oh, shit. Oh, well. Well, that was the wrong one. 00:24:58.970 --> 00:25:05.550 So anyway, you also mentioned briefly, like this wasn't even like a cyber warfare 00:25:05.550 --> 00:25:08.370 act or something. It was just somebody screwed something up. 00:25:08.550 --> 00:25:09.350 Who fucked the fuck up? 00:25:09.350 --> 00:25:16.370 But I think it shows you like how much damage could be done if it was intentional. 00:25:16.810 --> 00:25:18.170 Oh fuck. Yeah. 00:25:19.010 --> 00:25:20.130 Like imagine. 00:25:20.790 --> 00:25:21.910 Holy shit. 00:25:21.990 --> 00:25:25.830 I mean, and it tells you, it shows you how easy it would be to like, 00:25:25.870 --> 00:25:32.430 presumably there's like one poor ass employee who fucked up here and accidentally 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:34.910 like save something. They shut. 00:25:34.990 --> 00:25:38.730 If I, if I, if I'm that fucking employee, I know I'm, I'm, I'm hiding. 00:25:39.350 --> 00:25:42.950 I'm fucking like, I'll tell you what, I'm fucking, you know, 00:25:42.970 --> 00:25:47.790 I mean, I'm finding, I'm like, how do I, how do I get the hell, 00:25:47.990 --> 00:25:54.850 you know, I'll shred my phone and I'll fucking like go hide somewhere for six months. 00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:55.710 Yeah. 00:25:55.810 --> 00:25:59.250 I'll claim I was hijacked. I don't know. Whatever. I was kidnapped. 00:26:00.410 --> 00:26:06.170 Yes. Yeah. I could see there being a little bit of discussion there and, 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:09.330 you know, everybody screws up, but, and there'll be a post-mortem. 00:26:09.350 --> 00:26:13.070 because you know if you have a scenario where 00:26:13.070 --> 00:26:15.970 a single person fucking up can have this 00:26:15.970 --> 00:26:18.910 kind of effect or again like maybe 00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:21.750 if a single person being malicious could have this kind 00:26:21.750 --> 00:26:25.050 of effect then you don't have the right systematic 00:26:25.050 --> 00:26:28.070 protections in place like in 00:26:28.070 --> 00:26:31.010 terms of things needing to be double or triple checked before they 00:26:31.010 --> 00:26:33.910 get released you know or the right testing or 00:26:33.910 --> 00:26:37.250 the whatever you there is a hole in the process that 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:40.830 needs to be fixed and i'm sure they will work on that but 00:26:40.830 --> 00:26:47.730 again it shows like hey some some some poor employee hit send on something that 00:26:47.730 --> 00:26:52.530 wasn't properly tested and wasn't doing what it was supposed to and i'll be 00:26:52.530 --> 00:26:57.610 fine and this is what happened if it had been somebody intentionally trying 00:26:57.610 --> 00:26:59.690 to inject something malicious, 00:27:00.830 --> 00:27:02.150 it's it's, 00:27:03.290 --> 00:27:05.010 This does remind me. 00:27:05.010 --> 00:27:09.650 We forget that we've had less incidents of this, 00:27:09.730 --> 00:27:15.430 but back in the 2000s, we had viruses like the Melissa virus or some others 00:27:15.430 --> 00:27:20.230 like this that did spread widely and cause significant outages. 00:27:20.310 --> 00:27:24.350 Now, we are even more dependent on technology, but we are already pretty heavily 00:27:24.350 --> 00:27:29.190 dependent on this stuff already then and how some of this stuff. 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:34.150 And look, I will say this, that I, look, you're asking me, well, 00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:36.390 what am I going to do with that employee I've fucked up, right? 00:27:36.470 --> 00:27:42.030 Look, I will admit, listen, I will admit that I had an employee that made a 00:27:42.030 --> 00:27:47.710 fuck-up like this, a technical fuck-up, that cost the company $60 million, okay? 00:27:48.010 --> 00:27:50.190 About 20 years ago, all right? 00:27:50.270 --> 00:27:52.150 I think you've actually told this story before. 00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:59.030 Yes. And I and I will say that I, you know, now the reality is that this guy 00:27:59.030 --> 00:28:01.130 had a history of fuck ups and. 00:28:01.130 --> 00:28:01.910 That makes a difference. 00:28:01.990 --> 00:28:05.070 And so and that made a difference because that wouldn't happen. 00:28:05.330 --> 00:28:08.990 And I found out about it. He was on a business trip and I basically said, 00:28:09.110 --> 00:28:12.990 listen, dude, pack your bags, go home. You're going to HR. 00:28:13.210 --> 00:28:15.330 You're getting your termination. You're done. 00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:19.370 OK, because but that was the last straw of some. 00:28:19.370 --> 00:28:26.830 Yeah, I mean, most generally, if you have somebody make a screw up that causes 00:28:26.830 --> 00:28:30.390 a major production problem, I mean, obviously this one was huge, 00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:36.750 but there are a couple of factors at play, right? One is... 00:28:37.630 --> 00:28:42.490 Did they do something that was actually directly negligent and bad? 00:28:43.810 --> 00:28:45.650 In the case of my guy, yes. 00:28:45.670 --> 00:28:51.590 Or was it a process failure? Like there was something in place that should have stopped it. 00:28:52.530 --> 00:28:54.430 This guy actually, in my case. 00:28:54.590 --> 00:28:57.530 Overrode the process. No, no, what I'm saying. But to give you an example, 00:28:57.610 --> 00:28:59.930 that guy negligent. This guy overrode the process. 00:29:00.070 --> 00:29:04.510 So if you find out that this guy went and, oh, I'm overriding the process. 00:29:04.670 --> 00:29:09.430 Fuck this. This update's going out. well then you know what this guy is toast. 00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:12.570 Yeah no there there are several different scenarios here 00:29:12.570 --> 00:29:15.390 one is they were intentionally trying to fuck 00:29:15.390 --> 00:29:19.470 with stuff in that case not only is he fired you're reporting him to authorities 00:29:19.470 --> 00:29:27.390 he's going to fucking jail right oh yeah the second is uh he screwed up but 00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:33.210 was generally following the specified processes and something that should 00:29:33.290 --> 00:29:39.130 have caught the problem failed in which case it's, it's a process problem, not that guy's fault. 00:29:39.270 --> 00:29:43.070 I mean, maybe that guy could have been more careful, but you should have had 00:29:43.070 --> 00:29:44.350 the protections in place. 00:29:44.590 --> 00:29:44.990 Correct. 00:29:45.090 --> 00:29:51.710 And then, and then I guess third is, you know, the guy actively bypassed some 00:29:51.710 --> 00:29:54.750 processes, like you said, that he was supposed to follow. 00:29:54.890 --> 00:29:57.970 And then it's absolutely the guy's fault. And they're out of it. Yeah. 00:29:58.730 --> 00:30:02.050 Of course, you know, we also got a couple of astronauts stuck in space. 00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:06.870 Oh yeah. That, Well, actually, like you had started about another technical glitch. 00:30:06.910 --> 00:30:11.290 You had started to change topics onto something else. And I veered you right back to CrowdStrike. 00:30:11.310 --> 00:30:15.070 So I don't know if you remember the other thing or whether you just want to jump to astronauts. 00:30:15.590 --> 00:30:20.250 No, no, no. So I jumped to astronauts. So we still got a couple of astronauts stuck in space, huh? 00:30:20.350 --> 00:30:26.210 Yeah, we do. And and so they've been saying over and over. So this is the the Boeing. What is it? 00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:31.770 Starliner is Starliner. And it's had some problems with its thrusters. Right. 00:30:32.510 --> 00:30:38.270 And so these problems were detected, you know, it, it, it did not get in the 00:30:38.270 --> 00:30:42.430 way of them getting there, but they had to like, they had to take some extra steps. 00:30:42.510 --> 00:30:45.730 They did some testing of it before they docked to the space station. 00:30:45.830 --> 00:30:49.510 They had to do some things manually to compensate for anyway. 00:30:49.870 --> 00:30:53.230 But when they got there, the story that they've been giving for a long time 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:55.230 is there's absolutely no issue with them getting home. 00:30:55.230 --> 00:31:02.890 But because the part of the spacecraft that is malfunctioning gets jettisoned 00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:07.430 and burned up in the atmosphere on the return trip, their only time to investigate 00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:09.890 the problem is now at the space station. 00:31:10.010 --> 00:31:10.150 Oh. 00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:19.970 So the astronauts have been actually disassembling and investigating these thrusters 00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:22.190 and reassembling them while they're there, 00:31:22.290 --> 00:31:26.690 trying to figure out and diagnose the problem and deal with it. 00:31:26.790 --> 00:31:34.130 And as I understand it at the moment, but the latest update I heard, 00:31:34.250 --> 00:31:36.090 and maybe there's something more recent. 00:31:36.090 --> 00:31:43.190 But as of a few days ago, Boeing was for the first time admitting that maybe, 00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:49.250 maybe they haven't decided this for sure yet, but maybe they might have to take 00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:50.830 a different spacecraft home. 00:31:52.650 --> 00:32:00.250 Oh, man. Go Boeing. What is wrong, man? Guys, come on, man. Give me a break. 00:32:00.630 --> 00:32:09.130 I mean, tell. hell set the set the fucking you know they can't they can't do anything right. 00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:14.690 Well because i was like presumably like yes they jettison this part of the spacecraft 00:32:14.690 --> 00:32:19.850 but presumably i mean these are the thrusters presumably they need them to make 00:32:19.850 --> 00:32:24.710 sure that the spacecraft is oriented properly for re-entry i would assume so 00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:27.970 like it was kind of important that they work correctly. 00:32:28.530 --> 00:32:30.390 Yeah i am so i would believe. 00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:34.190 I mean i know they have some redundancy and some this and some that and blah 00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:39.350 blah blah but at the same and all the astronauts were expressing high levels 00:32:39.350 --> 00:32:43.270 of confidence that of course we're going to return on the spaceship and it'll 00:32:43.270 --> 00:32:47.130 all be fine we just have to investigate this before we go i. 00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:52.530 Mean i guess yeah i wonder how many days were they supposed to be up there eight days. 00:32:52.530 --> 00:32:55.710 Something like that like around a week how long. 00:32:55.710 --> 00:32:57.010 How long How long have they been there now? 00:32:57.190 --> 00:33:02.970 Nearly a month. I'd have to look it up for the exact number of days, but it's, it's, Oh God. 00:33:03.410 --> 00:33:06.510 It's, it's, it's, it's getting a lot. It's going to be a long time. 00:33:07.150 --> 00:33:12.070 Let's see. What was the, let's see. When does it say they went? The. 00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:18.810 Oh, who knows? I don't know. It's not that important. No, I can't. Yeah. 00:33:18.890 --> 00:33:23.390 So anyway, well, but we've got more. We've got more people in space. 00:33:23.590 --> 00:33:26.310 You know, given what's the hell is going on down here. I mean, 00:33:26.330 --> 00:33:28.970 maybe that's a good option. We could go. Yeah. Yeah. 00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:35.610 Well, one of the science communicators that I've that I see on TikTok all the 00:33:35.610 --> 00:33:39.690 time is all excited because apparently she's going up in Bezos's spaceship soon. 00:33:40.270 --> 00:33:45.230 So that's nice. That's nice. Yes. I forget her name. I think it's Space Gal 00:33:45.230 --> 00:33:46.510 or something. I don't know. 00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:48.830 Blue Origin. 00:33:49.790 --> 00:33:55.390 And of course, my immediate reaction is, you know that's not really space, right? It's just, well. 00:33:56.530 --> 00:33:58.510 I guess it's closer than I've been. 00:33:59.250 --> 00:34:02.030 Right. Well, it's technically space. 00:34:02.310 --> 00:34:06.790 Well, no. It depends on the definition. By most definitions, it's a little short. 00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.590 It's right around. It's close enough. 00:34:13.650 --> 00:34:19.830 You know you know i i figure come on you need at least an orbit not this up 00:34:19.830 --> 00:34:21.830 and well shit you know well. 00:34:21.830 --> 00:34:23.650 I mean yeah i okay. 00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:30.170 I mean no i understand you go up high enough the sky looks black you get a few 00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:34.750 moments of zero g but you get that you can get the zero g and the vomit comet too, 00:34:35.450 --> 00:34:39.670 right right you can do you know there are all kinds of ways to get zero i would like. 00:34:39.670 --> 00:34:41.350 To do You know, I would like to do that. 00:34:41.370 --> 00:34:42.210 The Vomit Comet? 00:34:42.770 --> 00:34:44.390 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would like to do that. 00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:45.210 That's a lot. 00:34:45.310 --> 00:34:45.590 That would be cool. 00:34:45.590 --> 00:34:50.050 You can buy tickets on that. It's a lot cheaper than like the Blue Origin or 00:34:50.050 --> 00:34:51.990 the Virgin Galactic and all those things. 00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:56.870 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would like to try that. I would like to try that. That would be cool to do. 00:34:56.910 --> 00:35:01.150 Okay. Well, if you do that, feel free to bankroll me. We'll do the show live from the Vomit Comet. 00:35:02.090 --> 00:35:07.650 There you go. There you go. Kermudge's Corner from Zero-G. Yes. 00:35:07.990 --> 00:35:09.330 Exactly. Okay. 00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:14.240 we we've gone on quite a bit already. So I feel like I should skip my movie 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:19.300 and we should move on in the lines of like keeping the show under two hours this week. 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.900 Okay. We could skip a movie for this week. 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.120 But I will, I will preview that next week. 00:35:24.140 --> 00:35:25.680 Next week, next week. 00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:26.440 Next week, you will. 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.740 Start with a movie and. 00:35:27.740 --> 00:35:31.720 The movie will be the grapes of wrath from 1940. 00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:39.080 Oh, wow. Really? Yes. You know, I don't think I've, I'm pretty sure I haven't watched it. 00:35:39.120 --> 00:35:42.500 Well, you know, Oh, you could do homework and watch this before next week, 00:35:42.540 --> 00:35:43.860 and then we could both talk about it. 00:35:44.080 --> 00:35:45.100 I could try that. 00:35:45.240 --> 00:35:49.080 There you go. I could. Okay, let's take a break. 00:35:49.600 --> 00:35:53.680 And when we come back, we will do actual newsy stuff. 00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:57.020 And I know you guys know the kinds of things we might be talking about. 00:35:57.100 --> 00:36:00.180 We had the Trump assassination attempt. I guess we can follow up on that. 00:36:00.260 --> 00:36:01.700 We've learned a lot since last week. 00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:05.900 We've got Cannon dismissed Trump's Florida case. 00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:10.760 We've got Trump picking J.D. Vance as his vice president. We've got the RNC. 00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:17.600 We've got the whole battle about will Joe drop out or not and all the pressure 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:23.560 being brought on him and what happens if he does drop out and all the alternatives and blah, blah, blah. 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.160 We've got general like, you know, how the polling's going and all that shit. 00:36:29.160 --> 00:36:32.080 it we we got we all we got and i mentioned rnc 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:36.320 specifically we have trump's incoherent speech there we've got all the other 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:41.660 stuff you know we got hulk hogan we anyway we got all kinds of stuff but first 00:36:41.660 --> 00:36:49.580 first the break is an apple dream so here we go ah cool this is apple dream 20 okay. 00:37:03.730 --> 00:37:14.590 Except i had to keep changing my time zone like like alex and i do on wordle, 00:37:15.690 --> 00:37:18.730 like to be on the same game as him i had to change. 00:37:21.070 --> 00:37:25.190 Where i normally keep things to pacific time and then if we miss a day we have 00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:30.710 to make it the previous day and then go forward again and somehow in. 00:37:30.710 --> 00:37:36.150 The space battle it was like that too and that's all i remember. 00:37:39.210 --> 00:37:46.550 And that that's it that's it oh nice there you go having to change your uh time 00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:53.210 zone in the space battle you know so that's great you know i i haven't published 00:37:53.210 --> 00:37:55.290 any new ones of those in many months now, 00:37:55.390 --> 00:38:00.110 but I've got a backlog of them recorded on my phone that I haven't published 00:38:00.110 --> 00:38:02.490 in TikTok yet, but anyway, 00:38:02.670 --> 00:38:07.510 so where do you want to start from all that crap I listed or something else entirely? 00:38:07.650 --> 00:38:10.170 If I missed something important. 00:38:10.470 --> 00:38:15.330 You know, well, you, you were talking a little, look, I'm going to come out 00:38:15.330 --> 00:38:17.930 flat out and say, I hate all these subjects. 00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:20.510 They all make you mad. 00:38:20.510 --> 00:38:27.570 God, they all just, I spoke about how these people have changed my mood. 00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:33.030 All the subjects of discussion just aggravate me at this moment. 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.620 I'll say one thing on that before you continue. 00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:49.080 I got so pissed off this week on all of this pressure on Joe Biden to drop out. 00:38:49.180 --> 00:38:56.300 Whether or not you think that switching at this point would be smart and would 00:38:56.300 --> 00:38:59.840 be the best way to win, which I personally am not sure that it is. 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.080 But regardless, the way this is all playing out is just really, 00:39:04.520 --> 00:39:09.980 really made me angry to the point where I gave Joe Biden more than I've ever 00:39:09.980 --> 00:39:16.100 given any political candidate in my life, other than money where we've self-funded my wife's campaign. 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:25.540 But other than that, I have not been one to routinely give to political candidates 00:39:25.540 --> 00:39:29.100 or political campaigns or PACs or anything else like that. 00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:33.520 I had a few recurring donations, small dollar recurring donations, 00:39:33.620 --> 00:39:36.620 like 10 or $20 a month to a few things. 00:39:36.680 --> 00:39:41.740 But like, I, I was like, okay, I'll set up a recurring donation from now until 00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:43.080 the election to Joe Biden. 00:39:43.120 --> 00:39:48.420 And with amounts that I'd normally would never have thought of giving to a political candidate. 00:39:48.600 --> 00:39:53.120 Cause I was just so pissed. I'm like, and some of the reports were like how 00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:56.440 Joe Biden's funding had dried up and no one was giving him money anymore. 00:39:56.640 --> 00:39:58.780 And I'm like, okay, okay, fuck it, I'm giving him money. 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:02.200 At the moment I can afford it, I'm giving him some money. 00:40:02.740 --> 00:40:09.700 So basically, your mood is sour, my mood is sour, and my mood was sour. 00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:16.020 Forget about, you know, the thing that really hit me, okay, 00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:26.980 is I did not watch, I mean, maybe some short second clips with clips for a few 00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:29.480 seconds of the RNC, but I am not. 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:31.840 I did not watch it. 00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:39.040 But I saw some of the- I did not watch almost any of it. I listened to some of Biden, not Biden. 00:40:40.340 --> 00:40:40.720 Biden. 00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:44.120 Yeah. I listened to some of Trump's, see, like the name thing. 00:40:44.220 --> 00:40:47.200 Like, I can't even keep Biden and Trump apart, you know? 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.160 Exactly. Anyway, well, I, I. 00:40:49.160 --> 00:40:55.340 You know, so, you know, so I understand Joe confusing Kamala and Trump because 00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:57.380 I just confused Biden with Trump anyway. 00:40:57.460 --> 00:40:59.580 I mean, because it's the word president in front. 00:40:59.640 --> 00:41:00.780 Yeah, I mean, yeah. 00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:04.420 It's not, it's, it's not, you know, it's not the most uncommon faux pas. 00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:04.960 Okay. 00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:05.900 All right. That happens. 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:10.220 Anyway, I listened, I listened to a few minutes of Trump. up i did not. 00:41:10.220 --> 00:41:11.180 Watch any but i. 00:41:11.180 --> 00:41:13.220 Listened to a little bit but yeah go ahead i. 00:41:13.220 --> 00:41:16.780 Mean but in between the the 00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:20.760 rnc gets together and it's it 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.480 and they have these speakers where 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.740 it's a whole bunch of like listen drunk 00:41:28.740 --> 00:41:33.220 people convicts uh uh 00:41:33.220 --> 00:41:37.040 uh uh uh you know domestic abuser 00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:45.080 porn domestic abusers porn stars i i'm i'm i'm just like what the hell is this 00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:51.360 man it's the party of reagan man fuck is this of reagan i mean listen and lincoln 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.600 and lincoln matt gates's face, 00:41:54.360 --> 00:42:00.780 what the fuck happened to that guy's face oh and somebody pointed out they. 00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:04.960 They they did a before and after picture of just the day before it happened with. 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:05.700 Yeah it happened. 00:42:05.700 --> 00:42:08.320 Within 24 hours It wasn't like he went and had plastic. 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:09.120 Surgery. Holy shit. 00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:11.220 They were saying it was Botox, probably. 00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:16.120 Well, I read that somebody did an analysis. Apparently, the Botox takes a number 00:42:16.120 --> 00:42:19.160 of days. He must have really gotten a really big ass... 00:42:19.160 --> 00:42:19.960 Like a rush job? 00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:24.780 Yeah, a number of them, and it just all popped in the same day. 00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:25.600 Beautiful. 00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:28.420 But holy fucking hell. I mean... 00:42:29.530 --> 00:42:35.130 It's just, I mean, it's just a fucking degenerates convention, man. 00:42:35.710 --> 00:42:41.510 And, and then, you know, the video clips of them on the floor acting like, 00:42:41.510 --> 00:42:43.530 I mean, like high schoolers. 00:42:43.570 --> 00:42:49.510 Well, just to be fair, political conventions, if you look at the people on the 00:42:49.510 --> 00:42:53.930 floor, both democratic and Republican are always a little nutso. 00:42:53.930 --> 00:42:55.390 You have people in the weird hat. 00:42:55.490 --> 00:42:59.330 No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about that. 00:42:59.530 --> 00:43:05.030 I'm talking about, what's his name, the guy that was Speaker of the House who lost. 00:43:05.870 --> 00:43:06.350 Ryan? 00:43:06.410 --> 00:43:06.770 Who? 00:43:06.890 --> 00:43:07.670 Onyer? McCarthy? 00:43:07.710 --> 00:43:12.970 No, not Ryan. No, no, no. McCarthy. McCarthy and Matt Gaetz, 00:43:13.030 --> 00:43:17.110 like, you know, bombing him like he's some 15-year-old. 00:43:17.430 --> 00:43:25.790 And then Gaetz, like, screaming these insults and then other people and just, man, come on. 00:43:25.790 --> 00:43:33.330 The guy before Trump came on was fucking a drunk Hulk Hogan. 00:43:33.830 --> 00:43:40.930 I did not watch it, so I didn't realize he was drunk. I saw he ripped off his shirt or whatever. 00:43:41.390 --> 00:43:48.390 Yeah, well, of one of the few clips that I listened to is one of him speaking, 00:43:48.590 --> 00:43:51.730 and he was slurring drunk as all fuck. 00:43:52.630 --> 00:43:53.190 Nice. 00:43:53.190 --> 00:44:01.050 So i mean what the hell man and then and then all these people i'm sorry but 00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:05.390 all the people with the little like ear pillows yes. 00:44:05.390 --> 00:44:07.630 Yes out of you know. 00:44:07.630 --> 00:44:10.590 Who does this shit man well they're. 00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:13.910 They're playing paying homage to donald. 00:44:13.910 --> 00:44:17.990 Trump's injuries who does this 00:44:17.990 --> 00:44:21.510 shit you know republicans 00:44:21.510 --> 00:44:26.930 i don't know yeah you know that mega republicans listen here's the thing about 00:44:26.930 --> 00:44:35.030 how fucked up this week is yes by today the news that they tried to assassinate 00:44:35.030 --> 00:44:40.830 trump basically was like who cares well. 00:44:40.830 --> 00:44:41.570 He did live. 00:44:42.550 --> 00:44:48.190 Right oh and so let's see if i imagine the entire last. 00:44:48.190 --> 00:44:53.590 Week would have played out entirely differently if donald trump had not lived 00:44:53.590 --> 00:44:59.270 or if he was like in the hospital in critical condition or something it would have been absolute. 00:44:59.270 --> 00:45:05.330 But i do i i do think that if if it was somebody if it if it had been another 00:45:05.330 --> 00:45:10.990 time right and they had tried to assassinate the president there would 00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:15.370 have been a lot more intense interest in coverage. 00:45:16.630 --> 00:45:22.410 In it, like right now. And like right now, it's basically old news. Like by now. 00:45:22.450 --> 00:45:26.550 Well, if you think back, I mean, the only time that I directly remember, 00:45:26.870 --> 00:45:30.570 you know, is the Reagan attempt. But it was different. 00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:32.470 Yeah, but he was shot. 00:45:32.770 --> 00:45:32.970 Well, yeah. 00:45:33.110 --> 00:45:34.610 I mean, not just that. 00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:38.690 So was Donald Trump. But Reagan was serious enough that he was in the hospital. 00:45:38.690 --> 00:45:41.910 No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. But no, exactly. I mean, 00:45:41.930 --> 00:45:43.930 we didn't know if he was going to make it. 00:45:44.370 --> 00:45:44.770 Right. 00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:46.690 We didn't know if Reagan was going to make it. 00:45:46.690 --> 00:45:51.310 We didn't know if he was going to make it. And even after it was clear he was 00:45:51.310 --> 00:45:53.630 going to make it, it was a long recovery. 00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:56.930 It was months until he was like sort of back in shape. 00:45:57.030 --> 00:46:02.010 And some people argue he never got back to the point he was before the gunshot. 00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:09.270 And so, yeah, I mean, but look here, you know, I mean, some people are still 00:46:09.270 --> 00:46:12.030 trying to say right now that, oh, it wasn't a gunshot wound at all. 00:46:12.070 --> 00:46:15.210 It was just some glass that from the teleprompter. or something. 00:46:15.750 --> 00:46:18.770 The teleprompter looked like it was intact to me on the video, 00:46:18.890 --> 00:46:20.190 but whatever. I don't know. 00:46:20.590 --> 00:46:25.470 One of the things I was going to bring up is all these conspiracy theories surrounding 00:46:25.470 --> 00:46:28.130 the assassination attempt. 00:46:28.590 --> 00:46:32.230 One of them is what I just mentioned. Oh, he wasn't actually shot. 00:46:32.530 --> 00:46:35.870 Trump is obviously lying. He won't release any medical records. 00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:39.530 He won't do anything like that. So he obviously wasn't actually shot. 00:46:39.710 --> 00:46:43.270 It was just a little bit of glass from the teleprompter. And while we're doing 00:46:43.270 --> 00:46:47.870 that, maybe it was all just a setup because he wanted to sympathy. 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:53.370 I mean, after all, look how he like posed for like the hero shot before he left 00:46:53.370 --> 00:46:57.130 instead of just getting whisked out right away and, you know, blah, blah, blah. 00:46:57.450 --> 00:47:01.630 Well, I have said, and I will say that that was like one of the most bizarre 00:47:01.630 --> 00:47:04.110 reactions I've ever seen by anybody to get shot. 00:47:04.210 --> 00:47:07.270 And by the way, you know, the reality is that, 00:47:07.290 --> 00:47:10.910 you know, Trump being so so so empathetic 00:47:10.910 --> 00:47:13.610 and so kind he quickly quickly went and 00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:17.910 like tried to deploy his sympathies to the uh family of the person that actually 00:47:17.910 --> 00:47:22.790 got killed or or no that's right no that wasn't it that was biden that tried 00:47:22.790 --> 00:47:26.570 to do it they didn't take his call because they were they they were i guess 00:47:26.570 --> 00:47:31.510 they were they were like really mega people well it seems that the only Specifically. 00:47:31.550 --> 00:47:37.730 The wife said that she thought her husband would not appreciate her taking that 00:47:37.730 --> 00:47:41.010 call because he was so MAGA and so anti-Democrat. 00:47:41.030 --> 00:47:45.030 It sounded like on her own she might have, but she was trying to respect her husband. Whatever. 00:47:45.810 --> 00:47:48.770 Donald Trump did eventually get in contact with him, apparently. 00:47:49.110 --> 00:47:51.190 Yeah, but come on. The only reason 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:58.050 why he wound up calling is because he wound up being shamed into it. 00:47:58.050 --> 00:48:01.770 No, I think it was because he wanted to talk about it at his convention speech. 00:48:02.750 --> 00:48:05.310 He called all the families like the day before the speech. 00:48:07.050 --> 00:48:11.270 Okay, here, okay, I, you did not read Mary Trump's book. 00:48:11.950 --> 00:48:16.110 You're right. I have heard your summary of Mary Trump's book. Go ahead. 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:19.590 Yeah, well, there is one thing that Mary Trump talked about is that, 00:48:19.610 --> 00:48:24.230 and that's in that family, and Trump specifically, is that anything related 00:48:24.230 --> 00:48:27.690 to death, he avoided like the plague. 00:48:27.730 --> 00:48:32.590 There is no way that he volunteered, he really wanted to call these people. 00:48:32.590 --> 00:48:36.430 The only reason that he wound up calling them is because he was shamed into 00:48:36.430 --> 00:48:40.990 it because Biden went and made a sympathy call to that. Otherwise, there's no way he would. 00:48:41.030 --> 00:48:46.630 Also, I think the having the it's also operational. 00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:49.770 Like, yes, he was shamed into it, but also it's operational. 00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:54.350 He knew it would be useful politically to have made the call and be able to 00:48:54.350 --> 00:48:56.590 talk about the call in his speech. 00:48:56.610 --> 00:48:59.370 I think that has part part of it as well. 00:48:59.370 --> 00:49:02.190 Well, but that's what I'm saying. If the RNC wasn't this week, 00:49:02.290 --> 00:49:02.910 you wouldn't have called. 00:49:03.070 --> 00:49:07.470 Probably not. I mean, even so, he said he was going to attend the funeral and he didn't. 00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:11.750 Oh, what? Well, that's the that's another part, dude. They know, 00:49:11.910 --> 00:49:14.750 you know, attending to funerals either. 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:19.990 I mean, yeah, that's also a trait. 00:49:20.090 --> 00:49:27.310 So let's talk a little bit since since our first your topic is apparently whether 00:49:27.310 --> 00:49:30.470 you intended it or not. it's the rnc so. 00:49:30.470 --> 00:49:34.010 Yes i i did intend it to be the rnc and 00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:37.290 i i'm just like i i don't know look i 00:49:37.290 --> 00:49:47.010 i mean it's a it's it's it's an it's a a meeting of degenerates and sociopaths 00:49:47.010 --> 00:49:52.970 man and and liars you know this whole the whole grinder thing too that happened 00:49:52.970 --> 00:49:54.350 during the week so explain 00:49:54.770 --> 00:50:00.750 well apparently like grinder was like overloaded in milwaukee grinder which 00:50:00.750 --> 00:50:05.590 is a a gay hookup a gay hookup you know it's it's. 00:50:05.590 --> 00:50:10.850 Basically the equivalent of like you know you know they're all. 00:50:10.850 --> 00:50:14.490 I don't think there is an equivalent because in part like because because the 00:50:14.490 --> 00:50:19.350 thing is that yeah data has shown that homosexual hookups are far more frequent 00:50:19.350 --> 00:50:26.790 and casual than say lesbian or cisgender hookups i mean there's a whole spectrum. 00:50:26.790 --> 00:50:30.390 Of dating apps some of which are more about dating and. 00:50:30.390 --> 00:50:34.530 Some of which are more like but even like no no yeah no so you've got oh what 00:50:34.530 --> 00:50:41.190 the hell is it man the other tinder well the thing is that you know it so tinder 00:50:41.190 --> 00:50:43.110 is more like you know uh uh, 00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:49.770 whatchamacallit heterosexual relationship as far as I remember but it's just this thing. 00:50:49.770 --> 00:50:51.830 Where you're not on it all the time no. 00:50:51.830 --> 00:50:57.150 I probably listen I will admit that if I was single probably I would. 00:50:57.150 --> 00:50:58.890 Yeah okay I'm. 00:50:58.890 --> 00:51:00.530 Sure that I would. 00:51:00.530 --> 00:51:01.530 I'm pretty. 00:51:01.530 --> 00:51:02.670 Sure if I were single now. 00:51:02.670 --> 00:51:05.490 At this point but at this point 00:51:05.490 --> 00:51:08.270 online dating apps of various sorts are the 00:51:08.270 --> 00:51:11.190 normal most common way for people to 00:51:11.190 --> 00:51:13.930 meet each other these days 89 i was like 00:51:13.930 --> 00:51:19.530 way way over everything yeah way bigger like back in the day when we were younger 00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:24.770 it was things like you were introduced by friends you met at school you met 00:51:24.770 --> 00:51:29.550 at work maybe you met at a like a bar or something but like it was all those 00:51:29.550 --> 00:51:33.870 kinds of now it's it's like you said 80 90 online apps and stuff so. 00:51:33.870 --> 00:51:37.910 Yeah i'm sure that i most probably would be on tinder i mean for sure but But 00:51:37.910 --> 00:51:42.670 I'm like, what the, but the thing is that this is a party of anti, 00:51:42.670 --> 00:51:47.450 it is, it is the, this is the party of anti-LGBT, 00:51:47.570 --> 00:51:50.190 anti-whatever, the family values. 00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:54.210 We need to go back to the core family values. 00:51:54.350 --> 00:51:59.830 And basically they, so many of them logged on to Grindr that they basically 00:51:59.830 --> 00:52:01.930 like, you know, grounded to a halt. 00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:05.490 And apparently this is an every four years thing, every Republican convention, 00:52:05.690 --> 00:52:10.450 this happens and they run the numbers and they do geolocation and everything. 00:52:10.710 --> 00:52:15.590 And like the majority of their all kinds of new accounts that are set up, 00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:21.570 new anonymous accounts set up that week that get geolocated within the arena 00:52:21.570 --> 00:52:23.350 where they're having the RNC. 00:52:23.730 --> 00:52:29.510 And when you run the numbers, it's like nearly 10% of the attendees at the RNC 00:52:29.510 --> 00:52:32.490 are apparently spending their time on Grindr as well. 00:52:33.590 --> 00:52:35.410 It's just the hypocrisy of it. 00:52:35.950 --> 00:52:41.150 Right. I'm like, no problem with Grindr. Have fun. No, you know, fun. 00:52:41.270 --> 00:52:47.990 But it's just the whole hypocrisy. They go and they vilify transgender people, 00:52:48.270 --> 00:52:52.790 gay people, you know, every fucking chance they get. 00:52:52.790 --> 00:53:02.130 and you know these these fuckers like are just all like i don't know i guess 00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:05.870 is their way of dealing with how they're repressing their sexuality i guess 00:53:05.870 --> 00:53:08.130 that they do it like by displaying outward hate. 00:53:08.130 --> 00:53:13.190 Yeah i it's like 00:53:13.190 --> 00:53:16.590 look it's despicable it's disgusting well just 00:53:16.590 --> 00:53:19.730 in general like you got to remember like people 00:53:19.730 --> 00:53:23.370 calling these folks out for hypocrisy for various 00:53:23.370 --> 00:53:26.510 things that it's not about being consistent 00:53:26.510 --> 00:53:29.830 with some set of moral views it's about 00:53:29.830 --> 00:53:33.010 power and control right you know and 00:53:33.010 --> 00:53:36.790 it's about like you being in charge and 00:53:36.790 --> 00:53:39.930 you telling what other people are allowed to 00:53:39.930 --> 00:53:43.870 do or not do but you especially 00:53:43.870 --> 00:53:48.730 if you're an apex white male should be able to do whatever the fuck you want 00:53:48.730 --> 00:53:55.910 right you know so anyway how about donald trump's speech i know you didn't watch 00:53:55.910 --> 00:54:00.610 it and i i mentioned i listened to parts of it but i didn't watch it well i. 00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:07.710 Think that the epitome of the of the stupidity of the news coverage of today. 00:54:07.710 --> 00:54:09.090 Uh-huh is. 00:54:09.090 --> 00:54:12.850 Summarized by a series of tweets by nate silk. 00:54:12.850 --> 00:54:15.690 Where you. 00:54:15.690 --> 00:54:22.370 Know like like a dumb fucking moron that he is he starts off by saying oh look 00:54:22.370 --> 00:54:30.030 he's looking presidential and i'm like thinking how could Could you be so dumb? 00:54:30.090 --> 00:54:34.990 And then he cries, well, this doesn't sound that good. 00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:42.330 This is kind of dark. Then at the end, well, I completely retracted. 00:54:42.330 --> 00:54:43.570 This thing is a shit show. 00:54:43.670 --> 00:54:47.090 And I'm like, you dumb motherfucker. 00:54:47.890 --> 00:54:51.530 What the hell did he expect? 00:54:51.950 --> 00:55:00.670 How could any of these clowns go and say, oh, he's going to be a unifier. 00:55:00.690 --> 00:55:04.330 He's going to be presidential, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:55:04.670 --> 00:55:08.530 Which we were hearing all week long. 00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:16.110 All week long, we were hearing from people, oh, the near-death experience has changed him. 00:55:16.250 --> 00:55:20.790 He's mellowed. He's torn up his speech. He wants to be a unifier. 00:55:21.130 --> 00:55:24.730 He wants to reach out to everybody, blah, blah, blah. 00:55:25.010 --> 00:55:30.550 And of course not. Of course not. No! You know, and look... 00:55:31.810 --> 00:55:34.730 One, look, the speech did have a few. 00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:37.710 Here's the best line. Here's the best line I just see about this. 00:55:37.910 --> 00:55:40.710 Donald Trump promised a softer image. 00:55:40.930 --> 00:55:42.890 He delivered Hulkamania. 00:55:43.930 --> 00:55:48.690 Well, look, the speech itself, like there were a few phases of it. 00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:52.770 And I listened to some of these directly and some of them I'm basing on commentary. 00:55:53.230 --> 00:55:59.130 But here's the thing. The first part of his speech was him relating what happened 00:55:59.130 --> 00:56:05.990 in the assassination attempt. And for that, he was mostly going from a prepared speech. 00:56:06.310 --> 00:56:10.830 He talked some of the unified language. 00:56:11.830 --> 00:56:15.990 Although even there, he said some words about the whole country unifying, 00:56:16.090 --> 00:56:21.730 but really what they were talking about was unifying the Republicans in their 00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:23.450 fealty to him. but whatever. 00:56:23.610 --> 00:56:29.410 But that part of the speech was really mellow, really slow. He did sound a little 00:56:29.410 --> 00:56:30.910 melancholy, blah, blah, blah. 00:56:31.510 --> 00:56:37.870 And he was going from the prepared speech. Then he seemed to somewhat get bored of that. 00:56:38.710 --> 00:56:42.990 And he started going off script. 00:56:43.310 --> 00:56:47.210 Another bunch of people pointed out, but I specifically, I'll point out Joy 00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:54.730 Ann Reed from MSNBC, but her commentary on threads was really good as this was going on. 00:56:55.530 --> 00:57:00.210 Because basically, they had provided a prepared speech. 00:57:01.170 --> 00:57:07.750 After the recounting of the assassination attempt was over, he sort of started 00:57:07.750 --> 00:57:10.690 ignoring most of the prepared speech. 00:57:10.990 --> 00:57:14.870 Like, well, I shouldn't say ignoring. He would get to a point at the prepared 00:57:14.870 --> 00:57:19.610 speech and then he would go off on a tangent for several minutes and then he'd 00:57:19.610 --> 00:57:25.070 go back to it for a little while so you know basically more than half of the 00:57:25.070 --> 00:57:30.970 words he actually said were not part of the prepared speech in the end and so which. 00:57:30.970 --> 00:57:33.570 Is why i guess it went uh i think they said uh. 00:57:33.570 --> 00:57:41.250 It was the longest half it was the longest convention acceptance speech since 00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:43.430 convention speeches speeches have been televised. 00:57:43.890 --> 00:57:47.010 No shit. Really? It was, you know, wow. 00:57:47.270 --> 00:57:51.090 Now I don't know if it beat Bill Clinton cause that wasn't an acceptance. 00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:53.490 I'm wondering. He was introducing the guy. 00:57:56.020 --> 00:57:59.820 Because that wasn't when Bill Clinton was running. It was the cycle. 00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:04.020 No, no, no. That was like, right. That was like Bill Clinton doing this speech. 00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:09.280 I guess it was. Was it right? It was. 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.080 It was like four years before the year that he was. So it would have been 88. 00:58:13.080 --> 00:58:16.680 So was that the speech? Yeah, no. I know it was in 88. But the question is, 00:58:16.700 --> 00:58:18.720 is that the speech was presenting? 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.100 No, no. He was the keynote. 00:58:21.120 --> 00:58:21.820 I don't think so. 00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:24.100 He was the keynote speech like the day before or something. 00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:27.840 Yeah, it was the day before. yeah this was you know and 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:33.380 and look i i that's a moment i never forget because the the thing the funniest 00:58:33.380 --> 00:58:37.180 thing is i remember how the speech was so long-winded i mean it's never ending 00:58:37.180 --> 00:58:41.200 and i still remember that when he went to and saying in conclusion i'm finishing 00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:46.600 everybody started going well and i was waiting when when donald. 00:58:46.600 --> 00:58:50.000 Trump said in conclusion i was like wait is there going to be applause there 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:55.220 wasn't at least not that i could hear but like i expected And the reports from 00:58:55.220 --> 00:59:00.100 the people in the place were, okay, I sort of, let me back up. 00:59:00.120 --> 00:59:01.400 We'll get to the end of the speech. 00:59:01.560 --> 00:59:07.060 He started doing his normal sort of campaign rally stuff. 00:59:07.220 --> 00:59:11.920 He started doing his, you know, rants against Joe Biden. 00:59:12.020 --> 00:59:17.840 He started doing all of his usual sort of divisive stuff. 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.520 He started ranting about the last election. 00:59:20.520 --> 00:59:22.980 And I was stolen from him. 00:59:23.100 --> 00:59:27.500 All that. And it certainly was not unifying rhetoric. 00:59:27.620 --> 00:59:32.800 But one thing it was, was it wasn't really that energetic. 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.880 It was all very sort of... 00:59:38.660 --> 00:59:46.880 And it was sort of much more monotone than he has been sometimes in the past and sort of... 00:59:48.030 --> 00:59:51.050 to use Donald Trump's own words, low energy. 00:59:51.670 --> 00:59:56.890 And so there were a lot of reports from the place that, you know, 00:59:56.910 --> 01:00:00.490 the people in the front rows were like checking their phones. 01:00:01.070 --> 01:00:05.050 There were some that were nodding off. There were some that were like. 01:00:05.070 --> 01:00:07.710 Is this done yet? Well, I mean, Donald Trump seemed to have been nodding off 01:00:07.710 --> 01:00:11.150 on his kids. I mean, you put those clowns, his kids that give speeches, 01:00:11.330 --> 01:00:12.890 nodding off at those guys. 01:00:12.890 --> 01:00:18.310 Well, yes. But the point is, Donald Trump, first of all, it was low energy. 01:00:18.470 --> 01:00:24.750 Second of all, there was his sort of usual stuff that we mentioned, 01:00:24.850 --> 01:00:27.650 but also just the rambling incoherence, 01:00:27.690 --> 01:00:31.810 which has also been normal at his rallies lately, to be clear. 01:00:31.810 --> 01:00:37.230 I mean, he did the whole Hannibal Lecter rant, you know, as part of his speech, 01:00:37.390 --> 01:00:44.150 you know, he and and like he would just go on meandering stream of consciousness, blah, blah, blah. 01:00:44.630 --> 01:00:48.730 And so one of the things Joanne Reed was saying was like, look, 01:00:48.810 --> 01:00:53.310 the one thing this shows us is, look, Joe Biden might be old, 01:00:53.410 --> 01:00:56.070 but God damn it. but so is Trump. 01:00:56.410 --> 01:01:04.530 And he's clearly not in the same place in terms of his mental capacity as he was even four years ago, 01:01:04.570 --> 01:01:09.270 let alone eight, you know, it is, he is declining and maybe it's not, 01:01:09.270 --> 01:01:14.470 you know, technically like, you know, clinical at this point, 01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:18.870 but it's definitely a decline is visible and obvious. 01:01:19.270 --> 01:01:23.470 And it's like, yeah, this is, this is your ranting old uncle. 01:01:23.470 --> 01:01:28.250 who's just like, you know, he's finished his Turkey at the Thanksgiving table 01:01:28.250 --> 01:01:32.650 and he's kicking his feet back and he's giving his little racist rants. 01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:35.190 You know, that's, that's Donald Trump. 01:01:35.290 --> 01:01:38.610 You know, a little racist rants. Oh. 01:01:39.890 --> 01:01:45.230 Wait, doesn't your uncle do that? You know, I always hear that it's uncles that do that. 01:01:45.530 --> 01:01:50.850 Like, yeah, the, the uncles. Well, unfortunately, you know, my uncle's all passed away. 01:01:51.110 --> 01:01:56.470 I, I, I have, I have, I have one uncle left, but I don't think he does racist rants. 01:01:57.610 --> 01:02:04.350 Well, my, I have like my, my aunts, you know, uncles, like, like, 01:02:04.410 --> 01:02:10.850 you know, blood uncles. I have one that is alive, but they're by marriage. 01:02:11.210 --> 01:02:15.610 But my blood... Oh, wait, what am I talking about? Oh, Jesus Christ. 01:02:15.750 --> 01:02:17.750 My dad's brother's alive. 01:02:18.450 --> 01:02:19.750 So you do have an uncle. 01:02:20.610 --> 01:02:22.310 Yeah, sorry, I forgot. 01:02:22.530 --> 01:02:24.050 You killed him off early. 01:02:27.670 --> 01:02:31.750 Yes, that's... Sorry, that's the alarm that I... Okay, that's what I got. 01:02:32.030 --> 01:02:35.870 Yeah, no, I killed off my uncle early, but, 01:02:36.550 --> 01:02:39.470 you know i have you know he'll make off-color jokes 01:02:39.470 --> 01:02:42.430 but not go actually he's no he's not racist he may 01:02:42.430 --> 01:02:46.890 have a lot of other defects but but not not that i that i can tell that racism 01:02:46.890 --> 01:02:52.390 is not one thank god okay okay so yeah so anyway he's actually actually as a 01:02:52.390 --> 01:02:58.070 matter of fact i'll give a compliment he's actually very how do i say uh more 01:02:58.070 --> 01:03:02.150 inclusive than anything else that he's not So anyway. 01:03:02.250 --> 01:03:06.030 A lot of people are pointing out the double standard of like, 01:03:06.090 --> 01:03:10.070 if Joe Biden had come out and given the same speech, 01:03:10.250 --> 01:03:16.030 everybody would be doubling down on the, oh my God, how can you possibly be 01:03:16.030 --> 01:03:19.210 thinking about this old incompetent guy for anything? 01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:23.130 anything and of course like the democrats have 01:03:23.130 --> 01:03:26.670 a multi-week shit fit about joe biden and like 01:03:26.670 --> 01:03:29.610 on the republican side nobody's gonna say a damn thing 01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:32.590 and the media like yeah might be a few comments 01:03:32.590 --> 01:03:36.730 about it i mean hey i'm quoting somebody from msnbc who is talking about it 01:03:36.730 --> 01:03:42.150 but for the most part you're not gonna get pages and pages and days and days 01:03:42.150 --> 01:03:48.170 of analysis of how donald trump Trump failed at his speech and how it indicates 01:03:48.170 --> 01:03:50.930 that he should drop out, whatever, whatever, you know? 01:03:50.970 --> 01:03:54.690 I mean, of course he is now the official nominee, which Joe Biden is not yet, but. 01:03:55.230 --> 01:04:00.230 Well, it appears I I'm looking at this information. So this speech was 90 minutes. 01:04:00.250 --> 01:04:02.570 Yes. Correct. About plus or minus. 01:04:02.850 --> 01:04:07.550 I mean, we kept talking about how long that Clinton speech is and we remember it. 01:04:07.590 --> 01:04:07.710 Yeah. 01:04:07.730 --> 01:04:12.710 As far as I can tell from the information I'm looking at here, it was only 36 minutes. 01:04:14.910 --> 01:04:15.350 Okay. 01:04:15.350 --> 01:04:19.170 OK, and that seemed like an eternity. So shit. 01:04:19.550 --> 01:04:25.510 I mean, it's literally double more. I mean, more than double the time that Clinton spoke. 01:04:25.570 --> 01:04:30.350 And we were like dying. But, you know, how long that damn Clinton speech lasted. 01:04:31.810 --> 01:04:36.290 Well, and Clinton's speech was probably actually coherent as well, and not full of lies. 01:04:37.510 --> 01:04:43.110 Yeah, yeah. It was just a little boring. But, you know, and apparently he wasn't 01:04:43.110 --> 01:04:46.590 using a teleprompter, which that was like the one thing about him. 01:04:47.050 --> 01:04:53.870 And I am remembering this, that apparently they had to resort to like hand signs 01:04:53.870 --> 01:04:58.070 to him to say, hey, you know, going like this, like cutting, 01:04:58.150 --> 01:05:00.950 you know, the slicing like a neck. You're done. 01:05:00.950 --> 01:05:02.610 You're done yes you. 01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:06.970 Know that kind of stuff for him to finish so yeah yeah so. 01:05:06.970 --> 01:05:09.990 Okay and yeah i guess like 01:05:09.990 --> 01:05:12.750 the other you mentioned the cast of characters they had 01:05:12.750 --> 01:05:15.910 up i mean i mean and just as one example 01:05:15.910 --> 01:05:19.030 i mean you mentioned like a bunch of random 01:05:19.030 --> 01:05:22.150 types but navarro come 01:05:22.150 --> 01:05:24.850 got out of jail got on a 01:05:24.850 --> 01:05:27.950 plane and then got off the plane and 01:05:27.950 --> 01:05:31.490 spoke at the convention you know it's like 01:05:31.490 --> 01:05:35.630 and there were so many people like completely unaware 01:05:35.630 --> 01:05:40.250 of any ironies talking about how they're the law and order party and order and 01:05:40.250 --> 01:05:44.490 it's so important like to respect the police and put criminals in jail and all 01:05:44.490 --> 01:05:52.190 this kind of stuff and what like look who you're nominating right you know of course, 01:05:52.890 --> 01:05:58.130 that's just a witch hunt and it's it's all bullshit and blah blah blah and you know. 01:05:59.250 --> 01:06:08.130 Look this i was reading a little bit about because i haven't read this idiotic book by jd vance. 01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:10.230 Yeah i haven't um but. 01:06:10.230 --> 01:06:14.390 I was but i was reading a little bit about what it talked about in the book. 01:06:14.390 --> 01:06:18.650 Did you read the bit about what he did with the glove and the couch no. 01:06:18.650 --> 01:06:20.810 No i that no but. 01:06:20.810 --> 01:06:22.990 But i was I was reading the one bit about. 01:06:23.190 --> 01:06:25.830 No, I have no idea. What are you referring to? 01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:32.650 Our Republican candidate for vice president includes an anecdote in his book 01:06:32.650 --> 01:06:37.790 about his life, how when he was younger, and I mean, which of us haven't? 01:06:38.810 --> 01:06:42.950 Well, let's put it in an extremely delicate way. 01:06:44.270 --> 01:06:49.010 He stuck an inside out glove into the crease between couch cushions and fucked it. 01:06:50.060 --> 01:06:52.140 Okay. Which I mean, put that in a book. 01:06:52.300 --> 01:06:56.520 Well, he wrote about it in a book, you know, I mean, okay. 01:06:57.120 --> 01:07:02.380 We've all done. Yeah. Exactly. At that age. Okay. But that wasn't a book. Yeah. 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:06.260 He put that in his book. It's in hillbilly ology when he's talking about his 01:07:06.260 --> 01:07:09.640 youth. I mean, it's not quite killing a dog. 01:07:10.120 --> 01:07:14.720 No, it's not. It's not even remotely close. It's just too much information, JD. Okay. 01:07:14.900 --> 01:07:19.180 It's just too much information. I really, and, and again, again goes with the 01:07:19.180 --> 01:07:26.680 squeaky clean image right and like all of the puritanical right wing stuff like you know. 01:07:26.680 --> 01:07:27.240 In a. 01:07:27.240 --> 01:07:33.680 Properly sex positive culture you could be like well of course every kid should do that you know but. 01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:37.960 Well yeah i mean it's like i you know we were i was having those discussions 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:43.040 with a friend of mine or whatever about about just making sure that any conversation we have 01:07:43.080 --> 01:07:48.520 with our child or her child is about you know about that kind of stuff it's 01:07:48.520 --> 01:07:52.480 not to make him look look it's it's fine whatever you're doing it's fine don't 01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:55.020 worry about it we're not as long as you're not you don't want to shame them 01:07:55.020 --> 01:07:59.640 exactly certainly you're hurting anybody you know you know you whatever the. 01:07:59.640 --> 01:08:04.860 Was it blair with the pig the british prime minister or was it. 01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:06.160 Cameron i think it was cameron. 01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:07.880 Who has a like. 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.860 Okay you're paying a lot more attention to this What did they do? 01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:17.700 It was a fraternity initiation ritual or something where he had to have oral 01:08:17.700 --> 01:08:20.440 sex with the severed head of a dead pig. 01:08:21.360 --> 01:08:21.840 Okay. 01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:30.120 This is the reason why I never joined any fraternities. 01:08:31.820 --> 01:08:37.640 Okay. Sorry. As you said, I've apparently paid way too much attention to these types of stories. 01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:39.720 Going back to the J.D. Vance book. 01:08:39.820 --> 01:08:40.220 Yes, yes. 01:08:40.440 --> 01:08:46.360 And the one thing that he, and it goes with this whole thing about also crime. 01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.920 It's this whole thing where he was talking about how he's getting really, 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.600 really angry when he was working as a cashier. 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:59.640 And he saw people paying with food stamps or food assistance or whatever that had cell phones. 01:08:59.820 --> 01:09:03.100 And how that made him angry for some reason. 01:09:03.320 --> 01:09:03.740 Okay. 01:09:03.740 --> 01:09:08.700 And it's this whole thing where it's, you know, any benefit, 01:09:08.820 --> 01:09:14.280 it's this whole thing that you see regularly in many of these red states where 01:09:14.280 --> 01:09:17.580 they are all like, well, the benefits, as long as they're mine, 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.880 I'm entitled to them, but not those people. 01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:24.120 You know, not them, but I earned those. Okay. 01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:30.300 And it's the same thing with crime and law enforcement. 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:35.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, they're the criminals, but now those laws, 01:09:35.780 --> 01:09:38.220 none of that applies to us, you know? 01:09:38.660 --> 01:09:44.260 And it's just this entire bankrupt morality where, you know, 01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:45.720 you believe that everybody... 01:09:46.770 --> 01:09:51.210 I've seen this with other people where, uh, what the people that are really 01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:55.730 the worst crooks are the first ones that say that everybody else is crooked. 01:09:55.910 --> 01:09:59.550 Right. Well, it's, it's all projection, right? It's like the, 01:09:59.570 --> 01:10:07.910 it's all the people who, whose morals are corrupted in the way, like, for instance, 01:10:08.150 --> 01:10:14.150 Donald Trump's clearly are, can't imagine that anybody would operate different. 01:10:14.150 --> 01:10:20.610 Like the idea, for instance, that somebody might actually do something motivated 01:10:20.610 --> 01:10:27.730 by helping someone else rather than for their own aggrandizement is completely 01:10:27.730 --> 01:10:30.230 alien. That's that's somebody being stupid. 01:10:30.510 --> 01:10:36.770 Why would you do that, for instance? And so, of course, everything anybody else 01:10:36.770 --> 01:10:42.250 possibly does has to be motivated by the same things that would motivate them. 01:10:42.250 --> 01:10:45.930 and there can't possibly be another 01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:52.290 reason for people's actions and of course if somebody has an opportunity to 01:10:52.290 --> 01:10:57.210 screw you they will there's no way that they would not take that opportunity 01:10:57.210 --> 01:11:02.930 if given it because you would take that opportunity wouldn't you like etc so. 01:11:02.930 --> 01:11:04.490 Now so back to vance. 01:11:04.490 --> 01:11:07.130 Sorry i tangented again tangent no. 01:11:07.130 --> 01:11:09.950 So it's this whole thing about vance where you know 01:11:09.950 --> 01:11:13.610 he goes and that's just 01:11:13.610 --> 01:11:17.090 a bit what what he wrote in the book really epitomizes this entire attitude 01:11:17.090 --> 01:11:22.050 from all these people that are in in part of maga and and this entire attitude 01:11:22.050 --> 01:11:28.830 towards law enforcement it's everybody else is a criminal but but i'm you know 01:11:28.830 --> 01:11:30.390 against me it's a witch hunt, 01:11:31.050 --> 01:11:36.550 you know it's that entire modality but the other thing that i saw today and 01:11:36.550 --> 01:11:40.510 how this entire thing is like making, you know, 01:11:41.700 --> 01:11:45.340 I spoke a little bit about the behavior that Matt Gaetz was showing against 01:11:45.340 --> 01:11:49.820 McCarthy and some other stuff or whatever and sniping in between all of these people. 01:11:49.940 --> 01:11:57.140 But one thing that I that I saw was there was this quote that this clown, J.D. 01:11:57.140 --> 01:12:04.800 Vance, had written about about Trump, where basically he said that I'll never 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:10.340 vote for this guy, that he's he's just, you know, he talked about he was he 01:12:10.340 --> 01:12:11.820 was a Hitler. Right. Okay. 01:12:11.860 --> 01:12:16.820 He referred, well, he, he, he said he wasn't sure if Donald Trump was X, 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:20.520 Y, Z, or if Donald Trump was America's Hitler was the full quote. 01:12:20.620 --> 01:12:25.140 And so, but, but then, you know, Tucker Carlson also spoke at this convention. 01:12:25.300 --> 01:12:27.780 Okay. All right. Praising Trump. Right. 01:12:27.820 --> 01:12:28.020 Okay. 01:12:28.460 --> 01:12:32.480 And I will quote Tucker Carlson by text. Okay. 01:12:32.540 --> 01:12:39.080 From, from the trial against Fox news by dominion, where he goes and is praising 01:12:39.080 --> 01:12:42.380 him. and he sent a text on January 4th, 2021. 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:48.740 We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait. 01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:55.220 I hate him passionately. I can't handle much more of this. 01:12:56.330 --> 01:13:06.350 And how it's this entire, you know, bunch of suck ups, man, that have publicly, 01:13:06.650 --> 01:13:10.330 you know, said that this guy is evil. 01:13:10.450 --> 01:13:14.750 Right. But now are all just under his thumb. 01:13:14.750 --> 01:13:20.270 I mean, we're basically talking like, I mean, at this point, 01:13:20.290 --> 01:13:25.710 the people who are left in the Republican Party, the elected levels anyway, 01:13:26.030 --> 01:13:32.750 reserve judgment for the moment for the general voters, but divide into two 01:13:32.750 --> 01:13:33.830 categories at this point. 01:13:33.930 --> 01:13:39.050 One is true MAGA believers who actually believe all this bullshit. 01:13:39.630 --> 01:13:43.190 I guess there are three. There's true MAGA believers who actually believe all this bullshit. 01:13:43.190 --> 01:13:53.370 it. Then there are people who don't really believe it, but are going to pretend 01:13:53.370 --> 01:13:57.610 for the purposes of manipulating and getting ahead. 01:13:57.870 --> 01:14:01.350 And I guess a subset of that category, my third category is really a subset 01:14:01.350 --> 01:14:06.230 of that, are people who used to say exactly like you were. 01:14:06.370 --> 01:14:12.210 They're sort of the old traditional Republicans who had all the sort of traditional 01:14:12.210 --> 01:14:19.310 Republican beliefs and were anti-Trump at some point and at some point, 01:14:19.330 --> 01:14:21.870 and then just decided, well, 01:14:22.010 --> 01:14:27.270 I can't do that and still have my career and my career matters more. 01:14:27.870 --> 01:14:31.290 And so now I'm all on board wherever it takes me. 01:14:32.370 --> 01:14:41.210 And i i actually you know all three of these categories suck but like i i feel 01:14:41.210 --> 01:14:44.390 like i almost have the least respect for that last category, 01:14:45.410 --> 01:14:51.850 Cause you know, they know better cause they've said so out loud in public and 01:14:51.850 --> 01:14:59.350 then completely reverse themselves because of that's what it takes to maintain power. 01:14:59.710 --> 01:15:08.910 And then, and then you have all these other tech bros that have come out all in favor of it. 01:15:08.930 --> 01:15:11.370 And I'm the, the, all these guys are interested. 01:15:11.570 --> 01:15:14.250 This is all about grift and money. 01:15:14.310 --> 01:15:14.630 Yes. 01:15:14.630 --> 01:15:19.050 I mean, it's these guys all want fucking oligarchy. 01:15:19.150 --> 01:15:23.370 They really, really, really want an oligarchy. 01:15:23.510 --> 01:15:25.890 I mean, that is what they want. 01:15:25.890 --> 01:15:28.810 I mean, as if they're already close enough to that already. I mean, 01:15:28.830 --> 01:15:33.490 like if you're if you're if you're already a billionaire, you've got so much 01:15:33.490 --> 01:15:37.110 influence and you can do whatever the fuck you want. And I want more. 01:15:37.210 --> 01:15:40.570 Listen, they want more. That's I mean, that's it. 01:15:40.670 --> 01:15:43.750 I mean, that's it. Listen, they do. They do want more. They want a lot more. 01:15:43.750 --> 01:15:46.950 They want this to be more like Russia. Let's be clear about this. 01:15:47.110 --> 01:15:52.470 That is the model that they want, where Putin picks the winners and losers, 01:15:52.830 --> 01:15:57.430 Putin picks who makes the money, and those people get supremely awarded, 01:15:57.690 --> 01:15:59.230 and the other people get punished. 01:16:00.330 --> 01:16:03.170 That is what they want. They would love that model. 01:16:03.310 --> 01:16:09.190 As long as whoever's making those decisions have them in their favor. Exactly. 01:16:09.510 --> 01:16:12.330 Correct. Yes. That is the model that they want. 01:16:12.330 --> 01:16:19.570 You know, one of the data points that came out this year is that over the last, just recently, 01:16:19.970 --> 01:16:28.670 we've had better statistics under Biden at increasing middle to low earners' wages. 01:16:29.070 --> 01:16:36.030 And one of the biggest narrowings of income inequality that we've had in like 30 plus years. 01:16:36.270 --> 01:16:41.390 Right. Okay. And we've had an economy that is really booming, 01:16:41.450 --> 01:16:44.490 that the rich people are making a lot of money. Right. 01:16:44.790 --> 01:16:49.170 And these fuckers still don't think that's enough. 01:16:49.350 --> 01:16:53.190 Well, and also they don't like that the lower income people are also getting stuff. 01:16:53.830 --> 01:16:58.130 That's right. They want, they want serfdom. They want them to get nothing. 01:16:58.670 --> 01:16:59.190 Right. 01:17:00.190 --> 01:17:04.310 Like, God forbid the person at the fast food restaurant makes a little bit more money. 01:17:04.650 --> 01:17:07.930 Oh, that fucker loser. I mean, you know, they're all losers. 01:17:08.370 --> 01:17:12.150 You know, they really think that all these people are losers, 01:17:12.370 --> 01:17:17.510 you know, and and by the way, that was part of fucking J.D. Vance's book bullshit thing. 01:17:17.650 --> 01:17:21.870 Yeah, apparently, like from reviews, I've heard of it in the last week. 01:17:22.490 --> 01:17:28.330 Like, I mean, the reputation it had at the time, and I'm sure it's on my list 01:17:28.330 --> 01:17:29.570 of books to read someday. 01:17:30.190 --> 01:17:35.550 was that it was sort of an explainer for what were Trump supporters thinking? 01:17:35.670 --> 01:17:39.370 Get into the mind of the white working class. 01:17:39.690 --> 01:17:44.630 And it sort of was one of these things that people were reading after Donald 01:17:44.630 --> 01:17:47.890 Trump won to try to understand what the appeal was and stuff. 01:17:48.050 --> 01:17:52.290 But apparently, like from what I've heard in the last week, a lot of the book 01:17:52.290 --> 01:17:57.390 is him dumping on the people who grew up that way. that like he grew. 01:17:57.390 --> 01:17:58.990 He grew up in that background and. 01:17:58.990 --> 01:18:03.570 Then escaped it and became like a wall street financier and then was involved 01:18:03.570 --> 01:18:05.490 in all kinds of tech companies and blah blah blah. 01:18:05.490 --> 01:18:11.310 He went to yale i mean he went to fucking yale he he has an he has a he has 01:18:11.310 --> 01:18:17.310 a his wife is that a is an attorney and she's of indian descent right and and 01:18:17.310 --> 01:18:21.510 and well i i by the way this is something that i Well, that I saw today, 01:18:21.710 --> 01:18:26.110 one of these things that, by the way, there. 01:18:26.110 --> 01:18:32.030 Were people at the convention talking about what kind of guy is this really? 01:18:32.270 --> 01:18:35.130 Because, look, he has brown children with Indian names. 01:18:36.550 --> 01:18:41.690 Listen, Nick Fuentes, who, if I remember correctly, he's some kind of like one of these psychopath. 01:18:42.110 --> 01:18:43.410 Yeah, yeah, something. Yeah. 01:18:43.450 --> 01:18:47.970 Right wing lunatics. OK, his take was, I'm not leaving my house to vote. 01:18:48.030 --> 01:18:51.990 Vote for what? But for J.D. Vance and Usha, I'm not voting for this. 01:18:52.070 --> 01:18:55.770 I'm not lending my credibility to this. And you understand what this means. 01:18:56.010 --> 01:19:01.410 You know, I mean, this guy married a non-white woman. I mean, what the fuck? 01:19:02.170 --> 01:19:02.690 Anyway. 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.300 Yeah, big surprise. Welcome to R2024. 01:19:07.740 --> 01:19:08.060 Yeah. 01:19:08.700 --> 01:19:15.360 So anything else to say about the RNC before we take a break and then we'll do Biden? 01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:21.520 Yeah, absolutely. Fuck the RNC. Fuck the GOP. Fuck everybody that was there. 01:19:21.620 --> 01:19:25.960 Fuck them all. I hate them all. They can all go fuck themselves in hell. 01:19:27.660 --> 01:19:35.460 Okay. Hey, I have no idea what you really think because you're very subdued and not descriptive. 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:37.240 Yeah, I really keep my feelings. 01:19:37.280 --> 01:19:42.880 Yeah, you do. So let's take a break. And then we come back. When we come back, 01:19:43.020 --> 01:19:44.780 we'll do the whole Joe Biden thing. 01:19:45.460 --> 01:19:49.140 Yeah, because that's the other big news of the week. It has not gone away. 01:19:51.200 --> 01:19:52.380 Back after this. 01:19:55.500 --> 01:19:57.760 What? No, 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:33.300 Bye. 01:20:36.480 --> 01:20:38.540 Okay. We are back. 01:20:39.700 --> 01:20:42.280 Was I clear on my feelings? 01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:49.020 No, not at all. I was confused. I think you're advocating to vote for Donald Trump, right? 01:20:49.580 --> 01:20:50.160 Yes. 01:20:50.460 --> 01:20:56.160 Okay. Okay. So Joe Biden, when we last left this a week ago, 01:20:56.360 --> 01:21:01.120 it seemed like things were kind of dying down. 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:08.420 And, you know, there was an expected sort of dam breaking last week that didn't happen. 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.720 And Donald, see, I did it again. 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:17.320 Donald Trump, no, no. Joe Biden, they look the same. They sound the same. 01:21:17.540 --> 01:21:19.120 They're nearly identical twins. 01:21:19.540 --> 01:21:25.600 How am I supposed to tell them apart? part. Anyway, Joe Biden and his team were 01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:27.700 doubling down on saying he's not going anywhere. 01:21:28.120 --> 01:21:32.500 There were reports that there were a bunch of congressional Democrats who were 01:21:32.500 --> 01:21:35.840 sad about this, but were starting to resign themselves to it. 01:21:36.400 --> 01:21:41.020 And then another wave of this stuff happened over the weekend, 01:21:41.300 --> 01:21:45.140 eclipsed by the Donald Trump assassination attempt. 01:21:46.040 --> 01:21:50.760 Schumer and Jeffries apparently came to Donald Trump. 01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:54.360 Gabe to Joe Biden. 01:21:58.540 --> 01:22:01.440 what you know listen. 01:22:01.440 --> 01:22:06.760 I gotta talk to your employer because we gotta put you on disability for you 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:11.980 know this mental acuity that has declined completely where you cannot. 01:22:11.980 --> 01:22:15.760 Man woman camera names like pencil 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.960 pencil yeah pen whatever i 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.780 i yeah i can i may or 01:22:21.780 --> 01:22:24.520 may not be able to properly identify the elephant in a 01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:30.620 lineup you know uh anyway oh 01:22:30.620 --> 01:22:33.780 god forbid if they ask me who's currently president you 01:22:33.780 --> 01:22:41.460 know no i'm screwed you know yeah um anyway they went to joe biden and apparently 01:22:41.460 --> 01:22:45.260 like laid it out for him they showed him a bunch of polls they're like look 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:50.700 joe this isn't working you got to get out essentially i mean that and there's 01:22:50.700 --> 01:22:53.760 been no denial from their teams that they went and said that. 01:22:54.440 --> 01:23:00.260 Also, apparently, there were reports about Obama saying similar things. 01:23:00.660 --> 01:23:03.500 There were reports about, and 01:23:03.500 --> 01:23:07.000 there were a whole bunch of additional congressional people have come out. 01:23:07.100 --> 01:23:11.180 Even in the 24 hours before we're recording this, there were like another 10, 01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:16.460 including several senators, several representatives saying Biden should leave. 01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:22.400 there were reports over the course of the week that Biden is softening and starting 01:23:22.400 --> 01:23:27.860 to consider it and starting to realize that maybe he doesn't have a path. 01:23:27.980 --> 01:23:32.780 And then his team denies that over and over and over again and says, 01:23:32.820 --> 01:23:34.160 don't believe who you're listening to. 01:23:34.220 --> 01:23:40.160 There were reports that said Joe Biden may step out of the race as early as this coming weekend. 01:23:40.660 --> 01:23:44.680 Now, obviously, if that happens, I'll say something at the beginning of the 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:46.340 show, know if it happens before I put this out. 01:23:46.380 --> 01:23:51.040 But like here is, I'm going to say that here's the one weird thing that I have 01:23:51.040 --> 01:23:52.740 noticed this week. Okay. 01:23:54.880 --> 01:24:00.980 I, all of a sudden, you know, I had been getting quite a lot of like posts and I, well, 01:24:01.160 --> 01:24:05.300 here's the one thing I was, I was going to say that I've noticed that I've seen 01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:09.920 a decrease in the posts that I've been seeing by Joe Biden for the campaign. 01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:14.220 And I've been seeing a big surge in Kamala Harris posts, but, but, 01:24:14.700 --> 01:24:22.060 but I do recall that over the weekend after the assassination attempt on Trump, 01:24:22.260 --> 01:24:26.280 they had said that they were suspending a whole bunch of their posts and then 01:24:26.280 --> 01:24:29.900 they didn't also got covid yes oh yeah they did for a couple of days we. 01:24:29.900 --> 01:24:30.740 Hadn't mentioned that yet. 01:24:30.740 --> 01:24:36.200 And then biden got covid and so i i am now realizing that they may have been 01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:41.620 part of why the hell i'm seeing far more camilla she's doing all the duties. 01:24:41.620 --> 01:24:44.340 While he is holed up in delaware recuperating. 01:24:44.340 --> 01:24:45.760 Exactly um. 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:49.160 But like all of these reports like here's the the thing. 01:24:49.260 --> 01:24:57.500 It is really, really hard at this point to tell sort of what's really going 01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:00.800 on versus how various people are trying to spin it. 01:25:00.900 --> 01:25:02.720 Like everything seems to be 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:07.820 part of the pressure campaign to get Joe Biden to say he's dropping out. 01:25:08.020 --> 01:25:10.860 I mean, you know, everything going back to like, 01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:16.760 Pelosi saying he's still got time to make his decision after he'd already said 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:18.080 he'd made his damn decision. 01:25:18.360 --> 01:25:22.580 So it's clearly like all of these people saying he has time to make his decision 01:25:22.580 --> 01:25:27.280 are really saying he has time to say he's going to drop out. 01:25:27.400 --> 01:25:31.180 Like they don't want him to, they don't want to accept his answer that he's 01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:32.960 already given over and over and over again. 01:25:33.780 --> 01:25:41.020 And I, you know what the person today that, because I, I think I had been like 01:25:41.020 --> 01:25:45.060 a little bit on the point of, look, Joe Biden's my guy. 01:25:45.340 --> 01:25:45.640 Right. 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.440 Right. But I'm like, well, I mean, it doesn't matter. 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.040 Even before this, say even if like Biden had died last month. 01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:58.460 Look, I'm voting for, listen, if Biden's corpse was on the top of the ballot 01:25:58.460 --> 01:26:00.660 in December, on November, I was voting for that. 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:01.360 Okay. 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:08.780 So it's not like this really changes my stance on who the hell I'm fucking voting for. 01:26:08.780 --> 01:26:11.680 but i had been like well look if biden 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.780 decides what i had thought look if biden looks at this and he thinks that the 01:26:15.780 --> 01:26:20.600 best path forward is that kamala is that is that head of the ticket because 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:24.420 by the way people talking about an open convention because i see this this post 01:26:24.420 --> 01:26:27.220 like pelosi talking about an open convention there's a whole bunch of problems 01:26:27.220 --> 01:26:29.120 with this they're all kinds of. 01:26:29.120 --> 01:26:31.000 Problems and here's one of the things one of the. 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:32.520 One of them is money let me. 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:37.520 Just say one of the reasons I was really pissed off and gave Biden money this month and, 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:43.820 and recurring monthly until the election was specifically because most of these 01:26:43.820 --> 01:26:50.420 people calling for Biden's head are not just saying, and therefore it should 01:26:50.420 --> 01:26:52.400 be Kamala. They don't want her. 01:26:52.540 --> 01:26:53.060 Yeah. 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:58.000 And they are looking for some scenario where they can get rid of both of them. 01:26:58.580 --> 01:27:02.960 And so the latest, there was a report since we've been recording here from the 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.720 New York Times, I think, I haven't read the whole article, I just saw the headline, 01:27:05.980 --> 01:27:11.880 where Pelosi is now also saying that assuming Joe Biden drops out, 01:27:12.040 --> 01:27:14.700 she would be in favor of an open convention. 01:27:15.860 --> 01:27:22.200 And look, I recognize that maybe you don't want a pure coronation of Harris, 01:27:22.380 --> 01:27:26.460 like it looks better if you have some sort of process. But at the same time, 01:27:26.460 --> 01:27:28.560 it's got to be fucking Harris. 01:27:28.900 --> 01:27:33.300 If you go with anybody else, you will rip. 01:27:33.420 --> 01:27:37.760 I mean, you're already ripping the goddamn Democratic Party apart and demoralizing 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:39.220 everybody through this whole thing. 01:27:39.220 --> 01:27:46.540 If you push Joe Biden out against his will and then put anybody in this spot 01:27:46.540 --> 01:27:51.860 other than Harris, you're going to have open warfare inside the Democratic Party, 01:27:51.940 --> 01:27:54.160 and you're almost guaranteeing a loss in November. 01:27:54.700 --> 01:27:58.740 I'm sorry, you know, because I mean, you're right. 01:27:58.820 --> 01:28:02.180 Like lots of people are like Yvonne and I will basically vote for any Democrat 01:28:02.180 --> 01:28:05.280 on the fucking ticket because, of course, they're going to be better than Trump. 01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:11.580 But at the same time, you know, you need to excite people and you need to get them out there. 01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:17.680 And if you do something like push Joe Biden out when there are lots of people 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:23.720 who still want him there, and then you push Harris out, who seems like the natural 01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:26.440 successor and lots of people would want her. 01:28:26.440 --> 01:28:33.040 and you go with some other random jackass, then yeah, there are going to be 01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:39.840 lots of demoralized people and motivating them to vote is not necessarily going to be easy. 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.220 And you're going to have a lot of people who are pissed off. 01:28:42.660 --> 01:28:46.400 And I would hope that most of them would vote D anyway in the end, 01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:49.280 but you're ripping everything to shreds. 01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:54.500 I mean, one of the things I saw, people are talking about potentially a Whitman 01:28:54.500 --> 01:28:58.280 Shapiro, not Whitman, Whitmer. Whitman's different. 01:28:58.500 --> 01:29:01.440 Whitmer. I'm like, Whitman, Jesus Christ, not that woman. 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:03.520 Whitmer Shapiro. 01:29:03.820 --> 01:29:05.540 She's a Republican. That's why I'm saying. 01:29:05.660 --> 01:29:10.020 But Whitmer Shapiro, because then you get Whitmer's Michigan, 01:29:10.080 --> 01:29:13.460 I believe, and Shapiro's Pennsylvania. They're the governors of those two states. 01:29:13.780 --> 01:29:14.660 That's insanity. 01:29:15.160 --> 01:29:17.800 Yeah, but those are two critical states that you need to win. 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:21.620 If you get those two governors on a ticket together, then maybe you win those 01:29:21.620 --> 01:29:25.400 two states and it changes those dynamics, right? There are a bunch of things 01:29:25.400 --> 01:29:28.680 that people have said along those kinds of lines. 01:29:30.820 --> 01:29:35.820 I've been watching on election graphs, obviously, I've been tracking all the 01:29:35.820 --> 01:29:41.300 state polls, and there had been very sparse Harris versus Trump polling. 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:45.860 But of course, over the last couple of weeks, there's been a lot more of it. 01:29:45.860 --> 01:29:51.680 And practically with every new poll that comes out, the Biden situation, 01:29:52.220 --> 01:29:57.220 I mean, the Harris situation starts converging with the existing Biden situation. 01:29:58.160 --> 01:29:59.160 It's no different. 01:29:59.180 --> 01:30:04.900 It starts getting closer and closer. It's like at the moment on election graphs, 01:30:05.120 --> 01:30:09.660 I still show Harris as being slightly better off than Biden, 01:30:09.740 --> 01:30:17.020 but that's only because the polls haven't fully fleshed out yet with like good new data, right? 01:30:17.140 --> 01:30:21.980 I am almost convinced that if you did that immediate swap, 01:30:22.380 --> 01:30:27.480 there wouldn't be, it's not the miraculous, oh my God, now she's ahead by 10 01:30:27.480 --> 01:30:32.720 points, you know, that's not, and that's, I mean, I guess the argument, 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:36.360 the argument is maybe she does start out behind. 01:30:36.400 --> 01:30:42.500 Maybe she does start out behind by just as much as Joe, but she's got more energy 01:30:42.500 --> 01:30:45.540 to catch up than Joe Biden does. 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.240 But again, like you hear more and more, 01:30:49.300 --> 01:30:55.080 there was this hour long live stream AOC did on all the reasons she's for Joe 01:30:55.080 --> 01:30:59.480 Biden and thinks it would be a bad idea to change candidates at this point and 01:30:59.480 --> 01:31:05.400 look she wasn't the biggest joe biden fan in the world no no but no but you. 01:31:05.400 --> 01:31:12.540 Know what i mean damn it she made one of the best damn arguments in there for 01:31:12.540 --> 01:31:16.660 the reason why this is idiotic and it's the same argument you and i have been making. 01:31:16.660 --> 01:31:19.560 Go for it how no. 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:21.200 Well no what i'm saying it. 01:31:21.200 --> 01:31:24.860 Make the argument i mean what did What was the argument that you liked? 01:31:25.940 --> 01:31:30.720 Well, I did not see the whole live stream, but the whole thing is what you were mentioning right now. 01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:32.980 I did not have an extra hour. 01:31:33.620 --> 01:31:38.780 It's this entire thing that it's no simple solution right now. 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:42.760 You don't have anybody that you can fucking put in there that's going to replace it. 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:46.520 That's going to just, like you mentioned, they're not getting a magic lead. 01:31:46.860 --> 01:31:53.140 This isn't like some magic bullet solution that we've got somebody out there 01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:57.000 that is just going to go in there and just take the lead now that Biden is in 01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.280 there. I mean, it's just, that's all sheer nonsense. 01:31:59.540 --> 01:32:03.260 And by the way, and the other thing that I know that AOC has said repeatedly 01:32:03.260 --> 01:32:05.040 right now is that, you know what? 01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:08.860 Man, this guy has done a lot of the shit that she wanted to, 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:14.740 you know, and made a lot of progress on things that those groups have been wanting. 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.560 He has been a big champion of their things. 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:23.060 We're talking about income inequality, Equality, rights, student debt, all this shit. 01:32:23.140 --> 01:32:26.580 And Bernie Sanders said the same thing, by the way, in a couple interviews this week. 01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:33.100 You know, like, and so the sort of progressive side of the party, 01:32:33.220 --> 01:32:40.860 like the elected advocates for the progressive side of the party recognized this. 01:32:40.940 --> 01:32:44.420 That maybe he doesn't agree with them on anything, on everything. 01:32:45.380 --> 01:32:49.940 But he has accomplished more for their goals than anybody else has. 01:32:50.280 --> 01:32:51.680 Than anybody else! 01:32:51.740 --> 01:32:57.120 But the other things that she mentioned, and I've heard a lot of people say, 01:32:57.340 --> 01:33:03.720 is all of these people who are talking about a change who are not willing to 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.860 just say, okay, well, then obviously it's Harris, 01:33:06.120 --> 01:33:08.680 are not... 01:33:09.380 --> 01:33:12.880 Like, if you ask them what their plan is, who are they going to put up? 01:33:13.160 --> 01:33:18.320 What's the process going to be? they have nothing it's just like who the magical 01:33:18.320 --> 01:33:23.360 substitute like we're gonna we're gonna put pick the magical democrat off the 01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:28.680 shelf who's gonna be strong and we want an open process to do it because well 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:32.200 obviously it's not kamala harris you know i. 01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:36.720 Mean fuck i mean pelosi herself has said it and by the way we you and i talked 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:41.740 about this this week on the on you know with the rest of the slackers. 01:33:41.740 --> 01:33:45.240 On the curmudgeon's car lock which they'll they'll be instructions at the end 01:33:45.240 --> 01:33:49.440 you should join anybody listening who's not on there you should join okay go ahead yeah. 01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:53.380 You know that this whole thing with adam schiff going out and saying what the 01:33:53.380 --> 01:33:55.100 fuck he said was a fucking shiv job. 01:33:55.100 --> 01:33:56.000 Yes it. 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:59.900 Was just a fuck i mean this was shit this was shit. 01:33:59.900 --> 01:34:04.680 This whole this whole thing by the way and i've said this on the show before 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:09.200 and i'm going to reiterate it now yes the debate was damaging. 01:34:09.540 --> 01:34:15.280 But all of this stuff since the debate has been way more damaging. 01:34:16.420 --> 01:34:21.840 And I understand, I'm not asking anybody to sort of pretend that he had a good night. 01:34:22.040 --> 01:34:29.060 But at the same time, all of this weeks now, we're more than three weeks past 01:34:29.060 --> 01:34:30.320 the debate at this point. 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.860 And there has been nothing but shitting on Joe Biden. 01:34:35.200 --> 01:34:39.520 This does not help the Democratic democratic cause at all. 01:34:40.020 --> 01:34:44.760 And, and not just, you know, that, but those three weeks, oh, 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:48.620 all you guys said, Hey, he needs to go and speak in public. 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:52.900 Hey, he needs to be, and then he did do this and that he did. 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.540 And he didn't, they didn't do just fine. He did very well. 01:34:55.820 --> 01:34:56.220 Okay. 01:34:56.700 --> 01:34:59.660 And, and one thing that's a little bit upsetting me is that his, 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:01.700 his team should not have Adam. 01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:05.340 as i know why they were keeping them 01:35:05.340 --> 01:35:08.060 close to the vest but they should have had them out but the reality is they 01:35:08.060 --> 01:35:11.600 they should have had them out there all along even 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:16.160 with the flubs yes whatever yeah he does the flubs fuck the whatever fucking 01:35:16.160 --> 01:35:21.100 own them whatever he did great like when he flubs all the job they were like 01:35:21.100 --> 01:35:24.380 they were like laugh they were like laughing it up it's like perfect whatever 01:35:24.380 --> 01:35:30.300 you know it's like you know yeah it's fine own it you know own it own it whatever you You know. 01:35:30.360 --> 01:35:32.760 But here's the only justification. 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:38.620 But my whole point is that their whole thing was, well, that's the way he is. 01:35:38.620 --> 01:35:40.400 He's senile. He's done. He's dead. He's whatever. 01:35:40.620 --> 01:35:45.640 And then he goes and he shows you very clearly where he had a fucking entire 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:51.800 press conference, unscripted, talking in depth about very complex subjects. Did so very well. 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:56.080 And you guys are still like, ah, well, well, now he's behind the polls. 01:35:56.260 --> 01:36:00.680 Well, OK, great. He's behind the polls. Maybe you wouldn't be so fucking far 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:04.420 behind the polls if you motherfuckers were all just standing there shoulder 01:36:04.420 --> 01:36:07.800 to shoulder with him showing support instead of fucking shitting on him. 01:36:08.080 --> 01:36:11.380 Yes. Instead of stabbing him in the back, basically. 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:16.580 Yeah. I'm not all about loyalty. Like, I would throw out loyalty in a second 01:36:16.580 --> 01:36:17.600 if there was a good reason. 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:24.560 And so the only justification for all this that I could see is if personally 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:33.840 they have direct knowledge that for reasons that make sense that they will not speak of publicly, 01:36:34.120 --> 01:36:42.020 where in their one-to-one experiences with Joe Biden, they in fact do see the confused, 01:36:42.420 --> 01:36:46.300 addled Joe Biden who isn't capable of doing things. 01:36:46.300 --> 01:36:47.840 And by the way, none of these people have said it. 01:36:47.840 --> 01:36:50.860 Well, no, and I understand why they wouldn't say it out loud, even if they had. 01:36:50.860 --> 01:36:53.840 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But listen, bullshit. 01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:56.800 At this point, with the shit that they have said, they would have. 01:36:58.220 --> 01:37:01.380 Yeah, come on. They would have said so. 01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:08.180 And, you know, I don't know, maybe, maybe, maybe not. 01:37:08.280 --> 01:37:12.980 But like, if that's what's going on behind the scenes, like if they end up pushing 01:37:12.980 --> 01:37:18.600 him out through this process, I want to see that because I don't think the public 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:22.460 evidence is enough to justify what we've seen here. 01:37:22.760 --> 01:37:26.780 Like, I know people are nervous about him being behind in the polls, 01:37:26.940 --> 01:37:33.120 but like he was is behind, not in an unrecoverable position. 01:37:33.780 --> 01:37:40.180 And I know that there, I know the fear is like, if what happened at debate happens 01:37:40.180 --> 01:37:44.580 again and again, and his situation gets worse and worse over the next few months, 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:47.060 then we're done. So we have to cut the cord now. 01:37:47.340 --> 01:37:56.200 But again, like, Like, I feel like absent the true evidence of that, 01:37:56.340 --> 01:37:59.100 like, this is hurting more than it helps. 01:37:59.100 --> 01:38:02.280 Like, you know, and I know there are all kinds of polls, 01:38:02.340 --> 01:38:06.400 like one of the issues that has all these Congress people and governors and 01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:13.200 even like that are in tough districts for reelection is that there are a bunch 01:38:13.200 --> 01:38:15.140 of polls that came out, the private polls, 01:38:15.260 --> 01:38:23.740 apparently, that said specifically that if you as a senatorial candidate continue to defend Joe Biden, 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:28.280 it will make people think you are a liar and untrustworthy. 01:38:28.280 --> 01:38:30.760 and make them less likely to vote for you as well. 01:38:31.240 --> 01:38:35.060 Yeah, well, I think that's a bunch of bullshit because especially I've seen 01:38:35.060 --> 01:38:39.440 how these polls are being posed with the questions that they are making that aren't exactly that. 01:38:39.580 --> 01:38:42.860 But here's another thing. You're saying, well, you're endangering the House and the Senate. 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:43.080 Yes. 01:38:43.420 --> 01:38:51.060 Fuck, man. I just saw all the generic polls right now for the generic ballot. Have the Ds still ahead? 01:38:51.160 --> 01:38:55.920 Well, and one of the arguments people are making about Joe Biden being bad is 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.380 that he's running behind the senatorial candidates. 01:38:59.060 --> 01:39:01.160 Which means they're still doing better than him. 01:39:02.140 --> 01:39:05.120 Exactly. So what the fuck? So he's not dragging them down either. 01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:11.220 And I don't none of the none of the facts that they keep bringing, 01:39:11.260 --> 01:39:16.620 bringing up are add up, you know, in any way, because if you showed me, OK, great. 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:22.420 The Democrats are seven points behind in the generic ballot for the for the House. 01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:25.680 Then you're like, oh, fuck, let's that's bad. 01:39:26.020 --> 01:39:30.520 OK, but the last time around, this is around where they were. 01:39:30.940 --> 01:39:34.780 Actually, there was a saw there was slightly they're better than they were. 01:39:34.780 --> 01:39:40.820 and you guys are trying to argue to me that we're going to have a completely different effect. 01:39:41.020 --> 01:39:44.220 And you're saying that this is based on facts. Well, the facts don't support 01:39:44.220 --> 01:39:45.940 what the fuck you're selling me. 01:39:46.320 --> 01:39:50.960 So I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get these arguments. 01:39:51.180 --> 01:39:56.460 These are all emotional. I'm freaked out that Trump might win. 01:39:56.660 --> 01:40:03.660 That's all. All I see in this is a complete freak out that, you know, that Trump might win. 01:40:03.660 --> 01:40:12.100 And look, AOC in her hour-long video apparently gave a bunch of concerns and 01:40:12.100 --> 01:40:17.620 reasons and things to think about, one of which is that has been reported elsewhere. 01:40:18.020 --> 01:40:23.580 Republicans are already preparing legal challenges all over the place if the 01:40:23.580 --> 01:40:25.620 Democrats nominate someone other than Biden. 01:40:26.730 --> 01:40:27.690 Which that is an issue. 01:40:27.950 --> 01:40:33.910 And basically, I mean, technically speaking, the Democrats haven't chosen a 01:40:33.910 --> 01:40:39.090 candidate yet, and all of the states are in place to expect the candidates to 01:40:39.090 --> 01:40:40.250 be chosen at the conventions. 01:40:40.650 --> 01:40:46.670 So that shouldn't be an issue. you. However, they're prepping all kinds of like 01:40:46.670 --> 01:40:52.070 sympathetic Republican secretaries of state who are receptive to challenges that say, 01:40:52.270 --> 01:40:56.350 hey, people voted for this guy in the primary, but that's not who you're putting 01:40:56.350 --> 01:40:58.830 up. So that's not right there. 01:40:59.370 --> 01:41:04.290 And you've got judges all through the system that are now potentially receptive. 01:41:04.510 --> 01:41:07.750 So you just don't know what's going to happen in those challenges. 01:41:07.750 --> 01:41:12.930 is at the very least there's going to be mischief made like at the very even 01:41:12.930 --> 01:41:15.310 if they fail you know there's gonna. 01:41:15.310 --> 01:41:22.270 Sam you know what can you imagine if all this fucking energy that is spent in 01:41:22.270 --> 01:41:25.590 this circular firing squad had spent in battling trump. 01:41:25.590 --> 01:41:26.970 Yeah what. 01:41:26.970 --> 01:41:28.070 That what the results would. 01:41:28.070 --> 01:41:34.970 Be huge because i'm sorry ridiculous and not not just a missed opportunity a 01:41:34.970 --> 01:41:37.370 missed opportunity where where instead of doing something helpful, 01:41:37.650 --> 01:41:39.270 you are harming the cause. 01:41:39.550 --> 01:41:44.810 And again, the only way I can mentally justify it is that if they have private 01:41:44.810 --> 01:41:50.750 knowledge that Joe Biden is much worse off than anything we have seen in public so far. 01:41:51.010 --> 01:41:55.090 That's the only possible justification that I could see for this. 01:41:55.170 --> 01:42:00.550 Because otherwise, even if, like in any scenario, whether you end up keeping 01:42:00.550 --> 01:42:03.910 Joe Biden, whether you replace him with Kamala Harris, 01:42:04.130 --> 01:42:10.930 or whether you replace him with someone else, the process of doing this change has hurt the cause. 01:42:12.270 --> 01:42:16.770 Now, here's one thing I will say that has hurt like right now. 01:42:16.850 --> 01:42:19.170 Look, this is, we're in July. 01:42:19.410 --> 01:42:19.830 Yes. 01:42:19.910 --> 01:42:23.310 Okay? It's not November, all right? It's not October. 01:42:23.530 --> 01:42:29.670 It's not September. It's not like anything that has happened right now is irreparable. 01:42:29.830 --> 01:42:35.550 No, but that is absolutely true. Although lots of people have pointed out, 01:42:35.570 --> 01:42:40.090 by the way, early vote ballots start going out in mid-September. 01:42:40.190 --> 01:42:43.750 So it's not as far away as we think. 01:42:43.750 --> 01:42:51.170 But now, well, yeah, but that's still, the ballots that go out that early is a very tiny I know. 01:42:51.170 --> 01:42:56.330 I know. But they build dramatically starting in September, and it's not like 01:42:56.330 --> 01:43:00.330 the old days where like 90% of the vote is on election day. There's a lot of early ballots. 01:43:01.690 --> 01:43:03.330 Well, not a lot of September voting. 01:43:03.410 --> 01:43:03.670 Absolutely. 01:43:03.890 --> 01:43:07.550 Not a lot of September voting. But what I'm saying is we're still in fucking July. 01:43:07.750 --> 01:43:13.310 It's not it's July 19th still as you know, July 20th UTC as we're recording this. 01:43:13.470 --> 01:43:18.230 It's not exactly like we're still, you know, in a place where all of this is 01:43:18.230 --> 01:43:20.590 irreparable. But it's just silly. 01:43:20.970 --> 01:43:27.450 Right now, at this point, it's silly. These guys, if they really wanted to have 01:43:27.450 --> 01:43:32.430 replaced Biden, I'm sorry, but the moment was you wanted to mount a primary challenge. 01:43:32.870 --> 01:43:36.790 Nobody went to mount a primary challenge. OK, and to be clear. 01:43:37.010 --> 01:43:41.730 The entire party apparatus discouraged it. That one that one congressman did 01:43:41.730 --> 01:43:43.530 run in the primaries, did miserably. 01:43:43.610 --> 01:43:46.150 But like what they did miserably. But at that point. 01:43:46.170 --> 01:43:51.510 If there was but but but but any of the I'm talking about any of these fucking senior clowns. 01:43:51.510 --> 01:43:55.650 No, I know. At that point, a year ago, they were all against it. They were all... 01:43:55.650 --> 01:44:00.710 Exactly. Exactly. So don't give me this shit. That was the fucking moment for this horse shit. 01:44:00.750 --> 01:44:03.530 Well, of course, they would say we have new information now. 01:44:03.590 --> 01:44:05.970 Joe Biden has deteriorated since then, et cetera, et cetera. 01:44:06.050 --> 01:44:09.190 Bullshit. That's not even what the fuck they're arguing. 01:44:09.490 --> 01:44:12.610 Let's be clear about this. None of these people are arguing now. 01:44:12.710 --> 01:44:15.790 They're just saying, hey, Joe, look at the polls you're going to lose. 01:44:15.790 --> 01:44:18.050 We need to replace you. That's what they're saying. 01:44:18.150 --> 01:44:20.130 Well, and even there, it seems... 01:44:20.130 --> 01:44:21.450 Without any viable plan. 01:44:21.510 --> 01:44:26.090 Without a viable plan, without just jumping on and saying, okay, we want Kamala. 01:44:26.450 --> 01:44:31.690 And honestly, and going back to your description of it as a political shiv job, 01:44:31.950 --> 01:44:39.910 it honestly, a good deal of this looks like people positioning themselves for 01:44:39.910 --> 01:44:44.570 the future who don't want the, 01:44:45.160 --> 01:44:54.980 Don't want a future where Kamala is the heir apparent. Whether it's now or in 2028. 01:44:55.180 --> 01:44:58.800 Because think about it. Well, because think about it. For these guys, 01:44:59.040 --> 01:45:03.080 say it's Kamala, and maybe she wins re-election. You know what the fuck that means? 01:45:03.320 --> 01:45:06.540 That means that all of a sudden you're throwing a window out. 01:45:06.740 --> 01:45:09.440 You know, these fuckers are thinking eight years from now then. 01:45:09.580 --> 01:45:13.060 You're talking about a window of 20, Jesus Christ, what the fuck? 2032? 01:45:13.060 --> 01:45:18.640 12 years, yeah. Yeah. Like because you would have potentially the rest of Biden's second term. 01:45:18.660 --> 01:45:21.940 Then two terms of exactly 12 years. Yeah. 01:45:22.820 --> 01:45:29.520 And so, yeah, they're and they're thinking like, hey, I'm complete speculation here, 01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:35.700 but it's just, you know, they're looking at, hey, if we get both of these two 01:45:35.700 --> 01:45:39.480 guys out of the way, then one of us can be president sooner. 01:45:39.480 --> 01:45:43.160 her right and whether and whether it's just. 01:45:43.160 --> 01:45:44.460 As fucking craven. 01:45:44.460 --> 01:45:47.740 Whether and one of them fucking whether it's one of them being the candidate 01:45:47.740 --> 01:45:52.320 now or whether it's one of them being the candidate in 2028 and. 01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:57.780 I'm like pelosi's behavior and all this i i'm just like what is i said and i'm 01:45:57.780 --> 01:46:03.600 gonna tell you right now she's still better because look she didn't really leave she got pushed out. 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:05.040 It was. 01:46:05.040 --> 01:46:07.440 A nice push out but she got pushed out. 01:46:07.440 --> 01:46:11.740 Well at the same time like what's her what's his name uh jeffries is like her 01:46:11.740 --> 01:46:16.320 protege she works with him all the time like she's been mentoring him so i don't 01:46:16.320 --> 01:46:20.020 think i mean maybe she's a little upset by that but at the same time also by 01:46:20.020 --> 01:46:27.420 the way this whole exercise has shown that she retains a massive amount of power anyway oh. 01:46:27.420 --> 01:46:28.880 Fuck yeah for sure. 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:38.300 But yeah, like this, I'm so I again, I just have been so angry this whole week 01:46:38.300 --> 01:46:40.600 about this, how this has all been playing out. 01:46:40.780 --> 01:46:45.000 You know, I will say this, that these people need to fucking get together in 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:49.100 a fucking meeting and fucking just enough of this shit. 01:46:49.500 --> 01:46:53.680 Hash it out, get it over with, come out unified and end this, 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.600 which I thought was going to last time they had a meeting. 01:46:56.600 --> 01:47:01.500 Well, except, yeah, except the way it's happening apparently is like all of 01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:06.400 these congressional leaders have determined that they will not accept I am staying 01:47:06.400 --> 01:47:10.480 as an answer from Joe Biden. And so they're going to continue this. 01:47:10.500 --> 01:47:14.620 And Joe Biden has gone, and Joe Biden, I understand why, pissed off and said, 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:16.300 listen, you all go fuck yourselves. themselves. 01:47:16.460 --> 01:47:21.640 Now, again, there are reports that he may be dropping out as early as this weekend. 01:47:21.740 --> 01:47:25.960 So it's, it's very possible that by the time I even put out this episode, 01:47:26.120 --> 01:47:27.920 Joe Biden's out, you know. 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:32.040 He, I, I, I, I hear it. And I I'm like. 01:47:32.200 --> 01:47:37.260 Cause the reports are he's softening, he's considering it. It's now not a question 01:47:37.260 --> 01:47:39.620 of if, but a question of when and how. 01:47:40.040 --> 01:47:44.900 And so they're negotiating the timing of him dropping out and what the process 01:47:44.900 --> 01:47:48.940 will be to pick the replacement as opposed now here that kind of stuff is going 01:47:48.940 --> 01:47:50.400 on now according to those here. 01:47:50.400 --> 01:47:55.100 Is what listen my scenarios are into this either you circle the wagon so you 01:47:55.100 --> 01:48:01.280 stay with a guy or you have a plan you have a you have a properly solid plan b whatever the fuck that. 01:48:01.280 --> 01:48:06.700 And the plan should not right now let's go have a contentious fight at the convention 01:48:06.700 --> 01:48:14.720 that leaves everybody pissed off yeah and and look yeah i've heard people argue that no no no a robust, 01:48:16.220 --> 01:48:20.540 debate at the convention and will leave everybody excited. 01:48:21.900 --> 01:48:25.460 Well, look, listen, there is an argument to be made for that. 01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:31.800 I don't discount that, okay? Look, I went and I shared weeks ago the story about 01:48:31.800 --> 01:48:35.260 what the hell happened with Truman at the convention. 01:48:35.480 --> 01:48:38.940 Last week's show, you talked extensively about the Truman convention. 01:48:39.040 --> 01:48:43.880 Yeah, and it was like that. It was a complete shitshow, but yet You know, 01:48:43.900 --> 01:48:45.040 Truman wound up winning. 01:48:45.200 --> 01:48:50.860 So, I mean, listen, there is a possibility that that scenario could be a winning scenario. 01:48:51.080 --> 01:48:57.600 But the reality is that my—and the fact that we don't have any real history 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:04.100 with this, I don't see how the hell this—I'm having trouble seeing it that way. 01:49:04.160 --> 01:49:09.580 I really think that it becomes a very corrosive event. 01:49:09.700 --> 01:49:12.900 Yes, I agree. I feel like we've got... 01:49:13.980 --> 01:49:15.400 What's that noise? 01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:18.860 Now, it could draw a lot more attention, but at the same time, 01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.500 look, reality TV being what it is, what the hell? 01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.620 You know, we talked about how nobody pays attention to the convention. 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:29.980 Oh, hell, people would pay attention if that was going on. 01:49:29.980 --> 01:49:34.700 Listen, I haven't watched a convention, any of these fucking conventions in years. 01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:38.820 Look, if we're going to an open convention, I've got this thing on wall to wall. 01:49:39.480 --> 01:49:44.840 We've dreamed of this scenario for every four years We've talked about maybe 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:47.020 this year we'll have a broker convention. 01:49:47.620 --> 01:49:52.820 The broker convention. So we've talked about it. So, I mean, I mean. 01:49:52.940 --> 01:49:59.740 OK, I mean, there's no question it would be exciting television. But here's the I mean. 01:49:59.740 --> 01:50:04.360 And there is no question that the audience paying attention would be I mean, 01:50:04.360 --> 01:50:06.420 would be enormous. So, okay. 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:15.420 I mean, but man, man, man. I mean, it feels like way riskier than any of the other candidates. 01:50:15.420 --> 01:50:25.140 And I think everybody is underestimating that risk. I mean, if you have a technically open convention, 01:50:25.320 --> 01:50:30.800 but Kamala Harris is the only real candidate and everybody consolidates around 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.520 her almost immediately, okay, that's one scenario. 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:39.840 But if you really have a contentious process where you've got like five or six 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:44.660 candidates and multiple ballots and people arguing and people getting really 01:50:44.660 --> 01:50:46.520 passionate about their candidates, 01:50:46.740 --> 01:50:52.900 you're just going to end the process with a lot of bruised feelings and unhappy people, especially, 01:50:53.160 --> 01:50:57.340 and I've heard this over and over again from people in the Congressional Black 01:50:57.340 --> 01:50:59.000 Caucus and from, you know, 01:50:59.550 --> 01:51:03.030 you know, the, the, the black community and black women in particular, 01:51:03.090 --> 01:51:07.130 that if you fuck over Kamala Harris. 01:51:07.370 --> 01:51:09.750 Oh man, oh man. 01:51:09.910 --> 01:51:15.610 There are so many people who will be so pissed off in a critical, 01:51:16.590 --> 01:51:21.990 absolutely critical Democrat demographic group for the Democrats. 01:51:22.550 --> 01:51:29.590 Absolutely. You know, You cannot, if you go through this process and fuck over 01:51:29.590 --> 01:51:35.510 Kamala Harris, you are screwing over the whole election cycle. 01:51:35.750 --> 01:51:39.470 Is it possible you would still win? Maybe. 01:51:39.650 --> 01:51:45.190 But you are definitely hurting things. And people will not forget. 01:51:46.070 --> 01:51:47.990 Oh, God, no. Hell no. 01:51:47.990 --> 01:51:50.770 No, like, even if you end up pulling out a win, blah, blah, blah. 01:51:51.370 --> 01:51:54.110 People will not forget that you screwed her over. 01:51:54.470 --> 01:51:55.450 No, no. 01:51:55.510 --> 01:51:59.110 And it's not like, look, let's be real here too. 01:51:59.250 --> 01:52:06.170 Like the vice president is always in the running for the presidency after the 01:52:06.170 --> 01:52:09.510 end of their president's term, but they're not automatic. 01:52:09.790 --> 01:52:13.870 You don't assume that they will always be the candidate. 01:52:14.010 --> 01:52:20.190 But not always, but usually, you know, So, like, I mean, Reagan wound up with, 01:52:20.190 --> 01:52:23.490 you know, with Bush, H.W. 01:52:23.530 --> 01:52:28.690 Bush, Clinton wound up Gore, President Quayle. 01:52:30.780 --> 01:52:36.900 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and uh that would have been hilarious yes um who was 01:52:36.900 --> 01:52:40.060 uh oh oh no darth vader didn't run no cheney. 01:52:40.060 --> 01:52:41.720 Did not run but you know. 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:46.480 But but of course he's running on a fucking i mean he was look he was i mean 01:52:46.480 --> 01:52:49.160 he was literally darth vader so yeah if. 01:52:49.160 --> 01:52:54.800 Joe biden two years ago had said i'm not running there would have been an open 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:58.060 process and kamala would not have automatically gotten that. 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:02.320 She might have gotten it. She might have won that process. 01:53:02.500 --> 01:53:06.260 But at that point, you would have expected a whole bunch of people to throw 01:53:06.260 --> 01:53:11.400 their hats into the ring and a competitive process and primary debates and then 01:53:11.400 --> 01:53:14.480 the whole primary process and blah, blah, blah. 01:53:14.820 --> 01:53:18.140 You would have expected all that and she may or may not have won that process. 01:53:18.380 --> 01:53:24.920 But at this point, if Joe Biden leaves, it's got to be her. 01:53:25.120 --> 01:53:30.440 It's got to be her. Yeah. And, and, you know, there's some question about like, 01:53:30.540 --> 01:53:35.520 they're trying to push, you know, Joe Biden to get out, but not to endorse her. 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:40.460 They're trying to push Joe Biden to get out, but to have this open process at 01:53:40.460 --> 01:53:42.560 the convention where everybody can do things. 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:46.400 And even those people sort of admit, well, Kamala Harris would be the front 01:53:46.400 --> 01:53:49.900 runner, but they don't want to just come out right out and say, 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:51.920 Hey, we want Kamala, you know? 01:53:51.920 --> 01:54:01.240 And I am immediately suspicious of any of these jackasses who are pushing for Joe Biden to get out. 01:54:01.360 --> 01:54:05.920 If they don't include in the same damn breath, and we've got Kamala, 01:54:06.120 --> 01:54:09.660 then I question their motives right off the top. 01:54:10.200 --> 01:54:15.660 And also someone posted a little graphic of all of the Congress people who had 01:54:15.660 --> 01:54:18.960 come out asking for Joe Biden to leave as of like a day ago. 01:54:19.060 --> 01:54:22.520 So there've been more since then, but almost all of them were white men. 01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:28.280 You know, there were a few that weren't. And the first member of the Congressional 01:54:28.280 --> 01:54:32.760 Black Caucus to come out to say Joe should leave came out today in the last 24 hours. 01:54:33.080 --> 01:54:38.700 But like, but for the most part, you know, no, it's the, the, 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.740 I don't, anyway, it just pisses me off. 01:54:41.740 --> 01:54:47.380 Now, at this point, just to be clear, if all the rumors are true and Joe Biden 01:54:47.380 --> 01:54:52.940 is coming into the acceptance phase and now they're just trying to figure out 01:54:52.940 --> 01:54:55.380 when and how for him to drop out, 01:54:55.540 --> 01:55:00.400 I am ready to get excited about Kamala Harris. I think she's got. 01:55:00.440 --> 01:55:03.560 Oh, yeah. I mean, I got I, you know, yes. Yes. 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:08.720 She's got a lot of good things for her. And especially in the last few weeks, 01:55:09.340 --> 01:55:11.960 she has really been putting on a good performance. 01:55:12.020 --> 01:55:15.020 And for the last year, she's been putting on a good performance. 01:55:15.100 --> 01:55:18.920 There are lots of people who talked about like, oh, how bad she did a job in the vice presidency. 01:55:19.020 --> 01:55:23.300 And she didn't take care of that immigration scenario she was put in charge of and blah, blah, blah. 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:26.300 She has been doing a damn good job for a vice president. 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:30.280 And once we've been in campaign mode for the last few months, 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:32.780 she's been an exceptional advocate. 01:55:33.280 --> 01:55:36.440 She's been giving really rousing speeches to people. 01:55:36.620 --> 01:55:40.560 She has been pushing the abortion argument. She's been the designated person 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:45.500 in the campaign to really hammer home the abortion stuff, and she's been doing a good job at that. 01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:50.180 I am ready to get excited about Kamala Harris if we do a switch. 01:55:52.480 --> 01:55:57.240 I'm going to tell you what. Whatever the fuck happens, it needs to be decided this fucking week. 01:55:57.320 --> 01:56:00.440 It needed to be decided. I mean, it needed to be decided already. 01:56:00.440 --> 01:56:04.840 ready. And like, frankly, one of the things that pisses me off is it was decided. 01:56:05.040 --> 01:56:08.620 Joe Biden came out there. He issued a letter. He issued multiple statements 01:56:08.620 --> 01:56:16.200 saying, no, I recognize your concern, but I'm in, I've got this. The decision was made. 01:56:16.740 --> 01:56:19.700 All of the, every single thing. Okay. 01:56:19.820 --> 01:56:22.820 Let me, let me be clear. Okay. Let me be clear. Not maybe the decision made, 01:56:22.940 --> 01:56:25.300 but that these jokers had to accept the decision. 01:56:25.360 --> 01:56:30.760 It wasn't the decision they wanted. It wasn't a decision they were willing to accept. 01:56:30.900 --> 01:56:34.860 The only decision they were willing to accept from Joe Biden is, I'm out. 01:56:35.650 --> 01:56:41.270 And that's part of what pissed me off is that, yeah, okay, we've got a limited 01:56:41.270 --> 01:56:42.150 time to make the decision. 01:56:42.250 --> 01:56:45.410 Sorry, the decision was already made by the person who needs to make the decision. 01:56:46.070 --> 01:56:50.570 So like, you may not agree with that decision, but that's the decision. 01:56:50.630 --> 01:56:51.370 But it is what it is. 01:56:51.510 --> 01:56:56.590 And everything that's been done since that moment that Joe Biden, 01:56:56.670 --> 01:57:01.010 after the debate, put out a statement saying, I understand your concern, but I'm staying. 01:57:01.010 --> 01:57:07.130 saying, everything since then has been hurting the chances of the Democrats 01:57:07.130 --> 01:57:09.150 actually catching up and winning in this election. 01:57:09.390 --> 01:57:15.750 And that pisses me off no end. And like you said, they seem to still not be taking no for an answer. 01:57:15.850 --> 01:57:20.690 And at this point, I'm not sure if they will accept anything else up until the 01:57:20.690 --> 01:57:25.350 very moment that the delegates vote, which, oh, by the way, like I'd mentioned 01:57:25.350 --> 01:57:30.230 on last week's show that they were going to start the virtual balloting on the the 21st. 01:57:30.230 --> 01:57:36.810 That has now been delayed probably till like around August 6th, if it happens at all. 01:57:36.970 --> 01:57:41.970 And that's because Schumer and Jeffries both advocated for it to be delayed 01:57:41.970 --> 01:57:47.290 because they don't want the vote locked in because once it's locked in, it becomes much harder. 01:57:47.570 --> 01:57:52.850 Like the process of Joe dropping out after he's officially the nominee. 01:57:53.190 --> 01:57:56.690 I mean, it's already hard. It becomes even harder after that, 01:57:56.770 --> 01:58:01.050 you know, and more legal implications and more that has to be done and blah, 01:58:01.170 --> 01:58:02.190 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:58:02.910 --> 01:58:09.110 And so like the fact that this is stretched out three weeks and they won't drop it. 01:58:09.150 --> 01:58:14.710 And again, I, the, if, if they have private knowledge that is not public, 01:58:14.770 --> 01:58:18.150 that Joe's condition is much worse than anything we've seen publicly. 01:58:19.420 --> 01:58:22.860 Okay. I can understand. But then that needs to come out. 01:58:22.860 --> 01:58:24.260 But then they need to make that public. Yeah. 01:58:24.300 --> 01:58:24.700 Right. 01:58:25.140 --> 01:58:25.540 Yeah. 01:58:25.860 --> 01:58:26.260 Yeah. 01:58:26.400 --> 01:58:26.800 Yeah. 01:58:26.820 --> 01:58:30.280 That needs to come out. Like if you're going to do this and I recognize you 01:58:30.280 --> 01:58:34.020 may not want to like, you feel like that's publicly stabbing him in the back, 01:58:34.040 --> 01:58:35.760 but so is everything else you've been fucking. 01:58:35.780 --> 01:58:39.520 Oh, Jesus Christ. I've been stabbed in the back with everything the fuck else. 01:58:39.660 --> 01:58:40.900 Yeah. Give me a fucking break. 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:45.100 Because at least if you, if that kind of information was public and look, 01:58:45.100 --> 01:58:50.820 there were a few news stories with anonymous sources that did in fact say exactly what I just said, 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:56.660 that it is worse privately and that lots of people have confirmed that Joe is 01:58:56.660 --> 01:59:00.380 more like what he saw in the debate than what we've seen everywhere else. 01:59:00.740 --> 01:59:05.080 But there are these anonymous background sources without- Exactly. 01:59:05.280 --> 01:59:10.640 None of those were with anybody going on the record saying any of this shit. 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:15.200 And most of the stuff that they were saying were saying that he was worse was 01:59:15.200 --> 01:59:17.460 this kind of shit that was like the generic stuff. 01:59:17.540 --> 01:59:20.420 Well, you know, he sounded bad. 01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:23.860 Well, he didn't talk a lot at this meeting. 01:59:24.380 --> 01:59:28.900 I mean, it was all just shit stories. 01:59:29.420 --> 01:59:34.560 It wasn't, you know, no, it was just a lot of. 01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:37.180 And again, and no one cares. 01:59:37.260 --> 01:59:38.440 It was just a lot of shit. 01:59:38.460 --> 01:59:44.160 No one cares, but every single one of these things, Donald Trump is just as bad or worse, you know? 01:59:44.160 --> 01:59:45.280 Oh, God, he's worse. 01:59:46.280 --> 01:59:50.160 He's worse. He didn't look quite as weak at that one debate where Joe Biden was sick. 01:59:52.660 --> 01:59:54.880 But other than that, I mean, that fucking speech last night, 01:59:54.940 --> 01:59:56.900 everybody was saying, oh, my God, what the fuck? Yeah. 01:59:57.060 --> 02:00:03.940 Now, again, though, you're absolutely right that this every day the shit goes on is harmful. 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:11.760 And I recognize all these congressional Democrats don't want to accept Joe Biden's answer. 02:00:12.140 --> 02:00:16.260 But every day they're pushing it is hurting the situation. 02:00:16.680 --> 02:00:22.560 And and again, they don't have an alternative lined up. They can't articulate 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:25.840 a plan that is definitively any better. 02:00:26.260 --> 02:00:35.740 Like, yeah, we can flip to Kamala Harris, but I can't say with any level of 02:00:35.740 --> 02:00:38.340 confidence that we'd be in a better spot after that. 02:00:38.620 --> 02:00:41.720 And I mean, listen, I will tell you this right now. 02:00:41.780 --> 02:00:46.860 If you told me that the polling showed Kamala was up across the board, 02:00:46.940 --> 02:00:50.440 like she was kicking it, she was kicking Biden's ass. 02:00:50.440 --> 02:00:50.840 Trump's ass. 02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:52.320 I mean, she was kicking Trump's ass. 02:00:52.420 --> 02:00:53.420 You did it too. You did it too. 02:00:53.940 --> 02:00:55.320 Fuck, Jesus Christ. 02:00:55.340 --> 02:00:58.200 We all need to be wheeled off into the old people's home. 02:00:58.360 --> 02:01:03.580 Oh, fuck me. Yeah. You know, if she was kicking ass, okay, if she was like 10 02:01:03.580 --> 02:01:08.560 points ahead of where Biden is, okay, that I would be, look, 02:01:08.700 --> 02:01:11.080 I will say flat out, I would be like. 02:01:11.100 --> 02:01:15.140 Fuck. That's where like, you know what? Like, I've seen people argue that like, 02:01:15.220 --> 02:01:17.860 we're not a cult of personality like Republicans. 02:01:18.060 --> 02:01:21.240 We shouldn't be like all about loyalty. and I'm not all about loyalty. 02:01:21.420 --> 02:01:25.820 If you had the situation that you just outlined where it was absolutely clear 02:01:25.820 --> 02:01:31.560 that Kamala Harris or even somebody else would actually do much better. 02:01:31.740 --> 02:01:35.840 By the way, okay, well, there's only one that's polled that we know is the possibly 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:38.340 better, but she's not going to fucking run for president. 02:01:38.360 --> 02:01:38.580 Michelle Obama. 02:01:39.400 --> 02:01:46.240 It's Michelle Obama. Now, if you told me that Michelle is coming in and going to take over, 02:01:47.060 --> 02:01:51.260 And I know what the polling data says that I'd be like, shit. 02:01:51.340 --> 02:01:53.400 Okay, look, we have to do this. 02:01:53.520 --> 02:02:01.120 I would also argue that even if like, let's say Michelle Obama did agree to 02:02:01.120 --> 02:02:06.280 that and was in, I think as soon as she transitions from being a theoretical 02:02:06.280 --> 02:02:08.300 person to an actual polling. 02:02:08.320 --> 02:02:13.160 That poll that. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That narrows a whole because all of a sudden she. 02:02:13.160 --> 02:02:15.960 Will get attacked. All of a sudden she will have actual positions. 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:17.980 Yes all of a sudden people will. 02:02:17.980 --> 02:02:24.480 Be looking at her actual experience not just hey the charismatic wife of a popular ex-president and. 02:02:24.480 --> 02:02:30.100 Well look let's let's hey hey let's not be paid but you know she is a fucking harvard graduated oh. 02:02:30.100 --> 02:02:32.060 She she administered a hospital system. 02:02:32.060 --> 02:02:36.380 Whatever i forget exactly i mean she is she is a very capable woman okay like 02:02:36.380 --> 02:02:42.040 i'm not saying exactly you know she's not she's not she's got a i will denigrate 02:02:42.040 --> 02:02:47.960 she's got a she's not melania okay She wasn't just some fucking model on airplanes. No. 02:02:48.020 --> 02:02:48.320 Okay. 02:02:48.460 --> 02:02:48.760 All right. 02:02:48.780 --> 02:02:54.300 She's very capable, but of the traditional things, she hasn't been a senator. 02:02:54.360 --> 02:02:56.460 She hasn't been a governor, whatever, blah, blah, blah. 02:02:56.540 --> 02:02:58.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, neither was Donald fucking Trump. 02:02:59.320 --> 02:03:04.460 Neither was, exactly. She's a bazillion times smarter and more capable than 02:03:04.460 --> 02:03:06.220 that bastard will ever be. That's for sure. 02:03:06.220 --> 02:03:10.120 Right. So anyway, I guess we should wrap it up. We are once again, 02:03:10.260 --> 02:03:11.980 like- Yes, we need to wrap up. Long. 02:03:12.080 --> 02:03:16.320 We need to wrap up. Like any efforts to keep the show short fail utterly. 02:03:16.780 --> 02:03:20.820 We need to bring back the fucking bell and the timer and all that crap that 02:03:20.820 --> 02:03:22.040 we had a couple of years ago. 02:03:22.280 --> 02:03:28.560 My cleaning lady hit my bells. Here's a bell. Where are my fucking bells? 02:03:29.960 --> 02:03:34.680 I don't. Here's another bell. Where the fuck are my bells? 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:39.360 Multiple bells. Oh, there, there, there, there. I got a bell. 02:03:39.500 --> 02:03:40.820 I got a bell. Here we go. Bell. 02:03:47.530 --> 02:03:50.470 Okay. So having said all that. Okay. 02:03:50.570 --> 02:03:52.610 All right. You want my concluding remarks? 02:03:52.690 --> 02:03:53.630 Oh, concluding remarks. I 02:03:53.630 --> 02:03:58.830 was just going to say like, hopefully by the time we get to the next show, 02:03:59.030 --> 02:04:05.990 we have either the congressional people capitulating and we're on with Biden 02:04:05.990 --> 02:04:10.590 or Biden drops out and we're not still talking about the drama. 02:04:11.290 --> 02:04:12.770 Okay. Go ahead. Your last thoughts. 02:04:12.770 --> 02:04:18.630 My concluding remarks fuck all these people I'm so sick and tired of them they 02:04:18.630 --> 02:04:25.990 can all go fuck themselves let's just gather around Biden and go fucking beat this asshole. 02:04:26.650 --> 02:04:34.150 Yes okay with that the stuff at the end of the show go to curmudgeon-corner.com, 02:04:35.470 --> 02:04:41.790 wait yes Alex quick quick quick we're trying to wrap it up quick, 02:04:46.370 --> 02:04:51.950 is like a few seconds. Okay, I'm going to hit play on the thing that Alex has queued up. 02:05:54.060 --> 02:05:55.820 Okay, that's it? Okay. 02:05:56.800 --> 02:05:58.380 Okay, yeah, very exciting. 02:05:58.760 --> 02:06:06.360 That was a clip from Blapature episode 20, which was episode 110 on alexemsula.com. 02:06:07.080 --> 02:06:08.800 Okay. Very not exciting. 02:06:09.100 --> 02:06:12.940 So I don't know exactly what was happening there. I'll make sure the... 02:06:12.940 --> 02:06:14.020 You were trying to say bye. 02:06:14.180 --> 02:06:14.960 Oh, yeah. 02:06:17.080 --> 02:06:22.620 Anyway, go to curmudgeon-corner.com. 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You should join us if you're not there already. 02:07:08.900 --> 02:07:13.620 So Yvonne, what was one thing from the Commodions Corner Slack this week that 02:07:13.620 --> 02:07:15.120 we have not talked about on the show? 02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:19.660 Fuck, I was just about to talk about something and i realized that i can't talk 02:07:19.660 --> 02:07:24.960 about this i'm sorry i i have to very on the fly change something else pick 02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:30.160 something up yeah yeah confidential information no confidential information 02:07:30.160 --> 02:07:34.260 no no if you want to know the confidential things. 02:07:34.260 --> 02:07:35.860 Apparently you should join the curmudgeon. 02:07:35.860 --> 02:07:37.120 You have to go on to slack, 02:07:38.310 --> 02:07:42.470 Well, the one thing I shared, there's a New Yorker cartoon showing J.D. 02:07:42.470 --> 02:07:47.570 Vance that I shared and the caption read, and again, sir, I'm so sorry that 02:07:47.570 --> 02:07:50.990 I called you America's Hitler and so relieved that you took it as a compliment. 02:07:51.790 --> 02:07:52.230 Exactly. 02:07:52.250 --> 02:07:57.230 I'm sorry I had to switch on the fly. I was going to say something else. 02:07:57.330 --> 02:07:58.710 Say something you shouldn't say. 02:07:58.710 --> 02:08:04.370 Yeah, there is another thing that we shared is that there are these new Trump 02:08:04.370 --> 02:08:10.890 sneakers that are released that have a apparently picture of Trump bloody with a U.S. 02:08:10.890 --> 02:08:15.070 flag with him saying fight, fight, fight on the side of it. Look, 02:08:15.130 --> 02:08:16.950 look, they look amazing, of course. 02:08:17.050 --> 02:08:22.890 Yeah, I think I also shared that there was a trading card almost issued immediately. 02:08:23.190 --> 02:08:27.870 It's amazing. You know, there were so many grifts that came right after the 02:08:27.870 --> 02:08:30.930 shooting attempt like that. 02:08:30.990 --> 02:08:36.190 It was like, I mean, within 24, 48 hours, they had merch. 02:08:36.450 --> 02:08:40.630 Okay. That was like, just, you know, of the shooting. 02:08:40.790 --> 02:08:45.950 It's just incredible how these guys just are monetizing everything. 02:08:46.150 --> 02:08:50.710 You know, it's not like the Democrat, you know, if we were that creative as Democrats, 02:08:50.710 --> 02:08:55.570 we would have an image and we were to try to monetize a biden's bad debate performance 02:08:55.570 --> 02:09:00.350 somehow i don't know what we could do with it but some kind of like a voice 02:09:00.350 --> 02:09:04.450 generator like yeah ask me like like you you two can sound. 02:09:04.450 --> 02:09:05.530 Like a confused. 02:09:05.530 --> 02:09:09.030 Old man and we yeah i mean it's obviously easy for both. 02:09:09.030 --> 02:09:10.290 Of us but i. 02:09:10.290 --> 02:09:15.010 Mean we do it that way we do it very well every apparently every week exactly 02:09:15.010 --> 02:09:17.510 Okay, so that's it. That's all I got. 02:09:17.630 --> 02:09:21.350 Okay, so I have one more thing to mention. 02:09:21.830 --> 02:09:28.310 It is my intention that when I edit this show, before I put it out, 02:09:28.390 --> 02:09:33.450 I will do some things a little bit differently than I have in other recent episodes. 02:09:33.970 --> 02:09:38.890 I'm just changing some stuff around to see how it goes. So I would like to know 02:09:38.890 --> 02:09:43.630 from anybody who's made it this far in the show. No, please tell, 02:09:43.770 --> 02:09:45.750 tell if you're on the Slack, tell us on the Slack. 02:09:45.850 --> 02:09:49.770 If you're not go to the website and contact me in one of those ways and tell 02:09:49.770 --> 02:09:54.330 us, tell me first, did you even notice any difference at all? 02:09:55.050 --> 02:10:02.190 And yes or no. And then if, if yes, do you like it better or worse than before? 02:10:03.690 --> 02:10:07.370 And the answer may well be, no, you may, you don't even notice a difference, 02:10:07.470 --> 02:10:10.150 but if you do notice a difference, tell me if you like it or not. 02:10:10.150 --> 02:10:15.090 and we'll we'll see i i just i want to try something different with the with 02:10:15.090 --> 02:10:19.690 the editing process and want to get feedback and depending on that feedback 02:10:19.690 --> 02:10:24.510 i'll either do it again or i won't so and i won't say what those changes are 02:10:24.510 --> 02:10:29.630 because i don't want to bias anybody towards you know what i will or will not do but. 02:10:30.350 --> 02:10:37.770 But let me know. Okay. Well, with that, we're done. Thank you everybody for joining us as usual. 02:10:38.290 --> 02:10:41.550 Stay safe. Have a good, good, good, good. 02:10:41.670 --> 02:10:48.490 Have a good week and we'll plan to be here again next week. 02:10:48.610 --> 02:10:53.590 Oh, and I should mention, we tested it last week for the first time and we did it again this week. 02:10:53.690 --> 02:10:57.010 And I I'm willing, I'm going to keep doing it for a little while just to see, 02:10:57.010 --> 02:11:00.810 but if you i am we've been 02:11:00.810 --> 02:11:03.770 live streaming while we're recording and so 02:11:03.770 --> 02:11:06.590 if you're interested in that at all you can go 02:11:06.590 --> 02:11:11.630 to us on youtube just i mean you can go to youtube and search on curmudgeons 02:11:11.630 --> 02:11:15.450 corner but we're not the only curmudgeons corner on youtube they're at least 02:11:15.450 --> 02:11:20.690 we're they're at least three curmudgeons corners on youtube we're the one that's 02:11:20.690 --> 02:11:25.630 curmudgeon hyphen corner but if you if If you want to go to us directly, 02:11:25.750 --> 02:11:30.150 it's youtube.com slash at curmudgeons hyphen corner. 02:11:30.470 --> 02:11:34.830 Because if you leave out the at sign, it goes to one of the other curmudgeons corners. 02:11:35.290 --> 02:11:39.590 It's just, it's stupid and weird. It goes to a curmudgeons corner without the hyphen, but whatever. 02:11:40.010 --> 02:11:44.690 Anyway, you can check it out on YouTube for video versions of the podcast unedited 02:11:44.690 --> 02:11:46.310 after we're live streaming. 02:11:46.550 --> 02:11:51.370 If you want to catch us while we're actually live, I am posting that we've gone 02:11:51.370 --> 02:11:55.790 live when When we go live on Mastodon on the curmudgeons corner Mastodon account. 02:11:55.930 --> 02:11:59.730 So if you don't follow that, you can follow it and start finding that out or 02:11:59.730 --> 02:12:04.990 just guess we're usually around Friday evening around two UTC. 02:12:05.470 --> 02:12:07.530 But it, it varies week to week. 02:12:07.730 --> 02:12:12.030 Anyway, have a great week, have fun, but not too much fun. 02:12:12.310 --> 02:12:17.330 And we'll see what happens next week. I expect it's going to be another crazy week full of news. 02:12:17.410 --> 02:12:20.790 I think we're, we're in for a roller coaster, roller coaster, 02:12:20.790 --> 02:12:23.890 roller coaster ride from now 02:12:23.890 --> 02:12:26.830 until november or hell probably till 02:12:26.830 --> 02:12:34.270 january so january yeah okay bye everybody here comes the outro say goodbye 02:12:34.270 --> 02:12:42.350 yvonne bye you know you're supposed to you know the routine from you know way 02:12:42.350 --> 02:12:44.250 back and when was it with the 20s you're. 02:12:44.250 --> 02:12:46.150 Like really just dragging. 02:12:46.150 --> 02:12:47.170 This thing out. 02:12:47.170 --> 02:12:53.390 I've never had you drag out an ending for like any longer. Does your God say goodbye? 02:12:53.730 --> 02:12:56.450 You're supposed to say goodbye, Yvonne, because that's part of the, 02:12:56.470 --> 02:13:02.010 you know, what was it, Gracie? What was the guy with Gracie? The old guy? 02:13:03.270 --> 02:13:05.370 The guy, the guy who played God. 02:13:05.470 --> 02:13:07.630 The, who is, you know, 02:13:10.230 --> 02:13:16.470 George, George, George and Gracie, like their radio show back before television, 02:13:17.290 --> 02:13:21.210 George Burns and his wife, Gracie, she he'd say, say goodbye, 02:13:21.310 --> 02:13:23.370 Gracie. And she'd say goodbye, Gracie. 02:13:23.410 --> 02:13:26.470 And that's how they ended their shows. Don't you remember? 02:13:26.670 --> 02:13:28.170 Can we add this fucking thing? 02:13:28.170 --> 02:13:30.250 Weren't you around in the golden days of radio? 02:13:30.490 --> 02:13:34.750 Jesus Christ. Christ, I mean, you know, George Burns on the radio. 02:13:34.850 --> 02:13:36.990 What is this like? It's before I was born. 02:13:37.370 --> 02:13:41.270 It was probably before our parents were born. I don't know. But like, 02:13:41.330 --> 02:13:43.830 it was a long time ago. It's like the 30s or something. 02:13:44.470 --> 02:13:48.910 Maybe the 40s. I don't know. Anyway, I don't know. Look it up. Go to Wikipedia. 02:13:49.010 --> 02:13:52.450 I'm not going to. Look up when George Burns and Gracie Allen had their show 02:13:52.450 --> 02:13:55.270 on the radio. Anyway, here's the outro. Have fun. Bye. 02:13:55.950 --> 02:13:56.350 Bye. 02:14:27.630 --> 02:14:28.830 Bye-bye. Okay. Okay, now I'm hitting stop.