WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:11.770 Hello uh hello all right so now i i today for it shall we. 00:00:11.770 --> 00:00:13.130 Start and then you talk or yeah. 00:00:13.130 --> 00:00:17.750 No no no i today noticed accidentally i realized i've been lifting a lot of 00:00:17.750 --> 00:00:20.050 weights my arms used to be very tiny. 00:00:20.570 --> 00:00:28.510 And I just realized, I looked on the side and I realized, holy shit, my arm is huge. 00:00:28.990 --> 00:00:33.070 I hadn't really noticed that. 00:00:33.470 --> 00:00:35.750 Congratulations on your huge arms. 00:00:36.090 --> 00:00:40.670 I don't, here's the thing. I'm not exactly sure I'm happy about that. 00:00:42.770 --> 00:00:43.410 Okay. 00:00:43.410 --> 00:00:46.210 Okay i i mean i wanted them 00:00:46.210 --> 00:00:50.370 like say tone but not necessarily bigger and 00:00:50.370 --> 00:00:59.770 so a little bit like that's not really what i wanted i understand so i'm i'm 00:00:59.770 --> 00:01:06.190 kind of a little bit on but i i can't you could amputate oh yeah that solved 00:01:06.190 --> 00:01:09.790 the problem i would quickly yeah yeah i I mean, 00:01:09.790 --> 00:01:13.710 amputation, always a solution to a lot of problems. You know, 00:01:13.730 --> 00:01:15.350 you think about it, you know, you. 00:01:15.350 --> 00:01:16.690 Don't like your arms, get rid of them. 00:01:17.030 --> 00:01:21.330 I mean, it's, it's the method of like, don't, it's problem elimination. 00:01:22.370 --> 00:01:23.550 Yes. Yes. 00:01:23.770 --> 00:01:26.530 Yeah. I mean, you don't look, I mean, head hurts. 00:01:27.130 --> 00:01:27.830 Chop it off. 00:01:28.610 --> 00:01:33.310 Decapitation. Yeah. Yeah. Right away. And head's never going to hurt again. 00:01:36.170 --> 00:01:37.530 No, no, it's not. 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:45.110 No. So that never going to bother you again. Sure. There may be other problems. Anyway. 00:01:46.210 --> 00:01:49.430 So shall we just jump right in? 00:01:49.510 --> 00:01:49.870 Sure. 00:01:50.210 --> 00:01:50.970 Here we go. 00:02:13.430 --> 00:02:19.550 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, July 6th, 2024. 00:02:19.810 --> 00:02:25.410 It is 2.13 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Materi, Von Boze here again. Hello, Yvonne. 00:02:27.950 --> 00:02:28.750 Ah, aloha. 00:02:29.450 --> 00:02:30.250 Is that right? 00:02:30.350 --> 00:02:31.350 Yeah, aloha. Yeah, no. 00:02:31.670 --> 00:02:35.530 Every once in a while you go with the aloha greeting. That's fine. It works. 00:02:35.550 --> 00:02:38.770 I mean, aloha is a greeting. Yeah, aloha is a greeting, you know. 00:02:39.530 --> 00:02:42.910 So we're just going to do our usual. Yvonne and I will do something a little 00:02:42.910 --> 00:02:48.230 bit less newsy to start with, and then we will move on to the news stuff. 00:02:48.350 --> 00:02:53.550 I think there are a couple of big, obvious things from this last week to talk about. 00:02:53.830 --> 00:02:59.870 We'll see if I'm right. Because once again, as usual, we have not actually planned 00:02:59.870 --> 00:03:06.590 or specified or done anything, but I just have a hunch a few things will come up. 00:03:06.590 --> 00:03:12.090 You know sam there were many years ago yes. 00:03:12.090 --> 00:03:12.990 Many years ago. 00:03:12.990 --> 00:03:17.030 Where we lived in a happier time i i 00:03:17.030 --> 00:03:23.110 am going to flat out say that it was a happier time okay somebody was mentioning 00:03:23.110 --> 00:03:29.250 that maybe the perhaps the peak was in the 90s and i am like tending to agree 00:03:29.250 --> 00:03:33.370 that the late 90s were a hell 00:03:33.490 --> 00:03:36.610 of a lot better than this shit storm that we've got right now. 00:03:36.830 --> 00:03:41.150 Even if some things had not been legalized by then, even if some things were 00:03:41.150 --> 00:03:46.750 not perfect, the thing is, is where things were going and what the overall attitude 00:03:46.750 --> 00:03:48.970 was. We were optimistic. 00:03:50.170 --> 00:03:53.630 Yeah. Well, here's the thing. And I think we've had this conversation before, 00:03:53.750 --> 00:04:00.550 but like there is a conversation I had while we were walking the dog with a 00:04:00.550 --> 00:04:07.950 The friend of my son's a couple of years ago, this just lived in my head ever since where they, 00:04:08.070 --> 00:04:10.930 and look, this was like a couple of years ago now. 00:04:10.990 --> 00:04:19.250 So they were, I don't know, 11 or 12, but, but what's the right way to say it? 00:04:19.590 --> 00:04:24.730 They, they were talking about how things were in the world and how, 00:04:24.790 --> 00:04:27.710 how bad things were right now. they. 00:04:27.710 --> 00:04:33.010 Were 11 and 12 and they were talking they were that young they were talking that way. 00:04:33.010 --> 00:04:38.830 Yes and and like this is a person but i'm leaving them anonymous but leave them 00:04:38.830 --> 00:04:46.250 anonymous they're they're anonymous but they're they're they're on the lgbtq spectrum okay yeah. 00:04:46.250 --> 00:04:47.030 Yeah yeah okay. 00:04:47.030 --> 00:04:50.870 They're in that and they were talking about you know and specifically how it 00:04:50.870 --> 00:04:52.950 was bad for or people like me. 00:04:53.370 --> 00:05:00.670 And I wasn't fully 100% sure at that point of their identity, 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:03.550 but it was well suspected. Okay, let's just put it that way. 00:05:05.050 --> 00:05:07.990 And I think it's clearer now. But the... 00:05:08.970 --> 00:05:13.510 And I remember saying, well, no, you know, look, it was a lot worse like in 00:05:13.510 --> 00:05:15.870 the 80s or whatever it was. 00:05:16.150 --> 00:05:21.810 And it was. And then I realized shortly thereafter, and I ever since I've wished 00:05:21.810 --> 00:05:28.550 I realized it in time to say it during this conversation, but I've said it on the show since then. 00:05:28.690 --> 00:05:32.950 The difference is not the absolute level of how good or bad things are. 00:05:33.010 --> 00:05:41.350 It's the trajectory. trajectory it's that for the first time in it it's it's 00:05:41.350 --> 00:05:48.250 seems to be clearly getting worse yeah not the first time ever but like in in my sort of for. 00:05:48.250 --> 00:05:49.890 The first time in our lifetimes. 00:05:49.890 --> 00:05:56.890 In in our lifetimes for up until i i you know i'm not sure i put the boundary 00:05:56.890 --> 00:06:03.290 of the 90s i might go a little further under obama like you know i i i mean honestly no. 00:06:03.290 --> 00:06:08.890 No no it's not that the boundary was there but i think that listen people were 00:06:08.890 --> 00:06:11.970 there was there was more optimism. 00:06:11.970 --> 00:06:16.070 There was confidence that things were getting better exactly. 00:06:16.070 --> 00:06:19.050 That we're going in the right damn direction. 00:06:19.050 --> 00:06:25.430 And it felt like that like and on all kinds of objective measures that things 00:06:25.430 --> 00:06:27.890 they felt like things were getting big, better. 00:06:28.130 --> 00:06:32.350 Yeah. I mean, you had Obama talking about the long arc of history and all that kind of stuff. 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:36.550 And I know that was an MLK quote as well, but like you, you felt that, 00:06:36.550 --> 00:06:39.110 that like, you know, yeah, things aren't great. 00:06:39.230 --> 00:06:44.770 There are lots of things that could be better, but at least we're going in the right direction. 00:06:46.790 --> 00:06:50.010 And now I feel like that feeling is gone. 00:06:50.410 --> 00:06:52.370 Russia and America were friends. 00:06:53.270 --> 00:06:56.970 Well, and I just want to say this too, And it's not even like a, 00:06:57.150 --> 00:07:01.290 you know, liberals feel this way because the right is winning. 00:07:01.430 --> 00:07:04.650 The right feels like it's going the wrong direction, too. Too? 00:07:04.910 --> 00:07:13.530 Yes. They're even more, listen, they feel the way they feel because they're even, they feel worse. 00:07:14.550 --> 00:07:19.730 Yeah. Yeah, and so it's very frustrating, 00:07:20.070 --> 00:07:29.950 you know, that, yeah, there's this fundamental pessimism around everything right now. 00:07:30.430 --> 00:07:36.510 And I think it's, like I said, it's not even a left or right thing. It's society-wide. 00:07:36.710 --> 00:07:41.970 Everyone's sort of like, everything's screwed up, and it's not getting better. 00:07:41.970 --> 00:07:52.150 And, you know, and I feel like, you know, the big, to me, anyway, the big problem. 00:07:53.470 --> 00:07:58.970 But discontinuity has to be Trump winning in 2016. 00:07:59.350 --> 00:08:02.110 I think that was, I think that, that definitely. 00:08:02.250 --> 00:08:05.990 That was, well, and I guess for the right, it was Obama winning, 00:08:06.030 --> 00:08:11.610 uh, eight years earlier, but, but like for, for me, you know, 00:08:11.610 --> 00:08:16.510 it was like the Obama period was an optimistic period. 00:08:16.650 --> 00:08:20.730 It was a, you know, things are, things are going well. 00:08:20.730 --> 00:08:26.090 But remember one thing, that during the Bush administration, 00:08:26.850 --> 00:08:34.490 not only did we have a war in the Middle East, but we had average Americans', 00:08:34.970 --> 00:08:40.330 living standards go down, more people without health insurance. 00:08:41.450 --> 00:08:44.970 You know, it was, I mean, at the end of that administration, 00:08:45.170 --> 00:08:53.970 it was horrible. I mean, the Bush administration, you know, did not create jobs in years. 00:08:54.250 --> 00:09:01.770 And the net was a loss of incomes, loss of jobs, loss of security. 00:09:01.970 --> 00:09:06.830 I mean, you know, in the world, where the hell were we, for God's sakes, 00:09:06.930 --> 00:09:09.470 you know, with the Middle East, it was a disaster. 00:09:09.470 --> 00:09:16.330 I mean, Obama inherited, I mean, the budget deficit, Sam, do you remember that 00:09:16.330 --> 00:09:19.470 in 1999, 2000, we actually hit surplus? 00:09:20.270 --> 00:09:22.470 We fucking hit a surplus. 00:09:23.610 --> 00:09:30.850 And I mean, you know, by the time that W walked away, it was a multi-trillion dollar deficit. 00:09:32.370 --> 00:09:33.390 Multi-trillion. 00:09:34.610 --> 00:09:34.750 Yeah. 00:09:34.750 --> 00:09:41.350 I mean, Obama fights tooth and nail to bring this back, 00:09:41.510 --> 00:09:50.630 but all these fucking assholes on the right are so upset that how the fuck could 00:09:50.630 --> 00:09:52.950 our nation now be run by a black man? 00:09:52.950 --> 00:09:55.590 And this is the fucking reality. 00:09:56.070 --> 00:10:06.050 Those people were incensed that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama was president 00:10:06.050 --> 00:10:08.170 of the fucking United States. 00:10:08.510 --> 00:10:10.930 Period. Yeah. 00:10:11.470 --> 00:10:17.870 And so, you know what? You asked me about when we go and try to sit down and talk about topics. 00:10:17.870 --> 00:10:22.610 You don't even need to sometimes sit down to talk about topics because so much, 00:10:22.630 --> 00:10:26.730 you know, the shit storm that we're living under regularly now, 00:10:26.870 --> 00:10:28.510 it's just self-evident. 00:10:28.570 --> 00:10:32.610 We used to have to sit down to do the show and we're like, well, 00:10:32.730 --> 00:10:33.690 this week has been boring. 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:37.810 What are we going to talk about? You know, I don't know. 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:41.310 Nothing happened really. Right. I mean, you know, we're going to talk about 00:10:41.310 --> 00:10:45.350 this. Well, well, I always heard a good old days. Yes. 00:10:45.940 --> 00:10:48.120 And you know we're not in the good old days. 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:53.740 Yeah and and look there was a little bit of a slow period at the beginning of 00:10:53.740 --> 00:10:57.860 the biden administration where we were back into sort of that mode for a little while well. 00:10:57.860 --> 00:11:02.100 Because we thought this rat fucker wasn't going to be back running for fucking president too. 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:08.400 Right like the the whole mood of things frankly like if if nikki haley had won 00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:10.840 the goddamn republican nomination i. 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.940 Mean we're like okay whatever We. 00:11:12.940 --> 00:11:15.600 Would be having different conversations. 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:20.440 Now, it's Nikki Haley. I mean, she's a bitch or whatever, but you know, 00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:22.100 yeah, but you know, whatever. 00:11:22.780 --> 00:11:26.800 There's a lot of that. Look, there's a lot of evidence that the Republicans 00:11:26.800 --> 00:11:32.880 are so far magified right now that Donald Trump could take a one way trip, a trip to the moon. 00:11:33.300 --> 00:11:38.760 And most of these problems would still exist because because MAGA has gone crazy. 00:11:38.920 --> 00:11:44.340 But but it's but it's a different scale. It's always, man, this is like, 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:47.000 man, these trumps of personality. 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:52.820 And I was thinking about this. It's just, I mean, look, think guys like Mussolini, for example. 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:57.620 Trumps of personality. Interesting how you said that. I know you meant cult, but yeah. 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:03.160 Cults. Well, it's close enough. You know, you got Mussolini, 00:12:03.420 --> 00:12:10.060 you know, Eva Peron, you know, like people like, you know, Pinochet, you know, Hitler. 00:12:10.140 --> 00:12:17.720 I mean, Stalin. I mean, all these fuckers, you know, a lot of what they it really, 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:21.800 really carries a lot around that person. 00:12:21.820 --> 00:12:28.720 And so many times it crumbles once that once they're out there in large part 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.620 because those people, those people keep everybody around them loyal, 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:35.720 not because they're loyal, 00:12:36.060 --> 00:12:38.320 but because they fear him. 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.960 So even though I know that all these people are right wing psychopaths, 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.540 the reality is that so many of them off the record despise them. 00:12:49.280 --> 00:12:54.480 I mean, there's been so many. Just look at that Fox News case where they they 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.580 they had to do discovery and showed all the text messages, all these fuckers 00:12:58.580 --> 00:13:02.640 that are on TV, you know, praising Trump, you know, in hiding. 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:05.220 They're all talking about how they despise him. 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:10.000 So, yeah, so we're at a different time, Sam. So, so we really don't need to 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.120 do planning. We, we, we, those happy times are not here. 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:21.820 Well, I think certainly from now until January, it's going to be pretty obvious 00:13:21.820 --> 00:13:23.500 what we're talking about every week. 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:30.260 I mean, it's, it's going to be related to the presidential race race. 00:13:30.420 --> 00:13:33.280 What's going on? What's not going on? 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:33.980 Yeah. 00:13:35.180 --> 00:13:40.460 And I mean, I guess you've got mixed in there, like Trump legal developments, 00:13:40.580 --> 00:13:42.820 but that's still about the presidential race, essentially. 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.260 It's all this shit. 00:13:45.540 --> 00:13:51.760 It all relates to that one way or another. And yeah, look, 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.820 I'm sure we'll have an occasional something else to talk about, 00:13:55.920 --> 00:14:02.240 but this is going to be dominating for the rest of the year. There's no avoiding it. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:06.620 I mean, why am I getting a hurricane? Well, actually, not right now. 00:14:06.660 --> 00:14:07.620 That hurricane's not coming. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.300 Not to where you are, anyway. 00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:14.160 No, no, barrel is... It did hit Mexico, but it's not... 00:14:15.330 --> 00:14:20.910 It's either going to hit Northern Mexico or, or, or Texas. Who the hell knows? Yeah. 00:14:20.970 --> 00:14:25.150 And who cares about Texas, right? It's not like it's hitting a real place, you know? Right. 00:14:25.270 --> 00:14:29.750 Exactly. Sweet Texas, right? We're kidding. We're kidding. Okay. 00:14:29.950 --> 00:14:33.350 But, but yeah, but, but you know, ah. 00:14:34.290 --> 00:14:38.470 So I guess the whole first segment is less newsy is thrown out the window. 00:14:39.170 --> 00:14:41.770 Anything else you want to talk about? Cause I'll have a, not, 00:14:41.770 --> 00:14:44.850 I have a semi newsy thing to put in this segment too. 00:14:44.850 --> 00:14:49.050 Well, I had like, no, you know, once again, 00:14:49.310 --> 00:14:57.110 my holiday, my current work assignment makes it that the holidays are pretty much impossible to, 00:14:57.150 --> 00:15:05.030 to really have happen without me being bombarded with messages from work because they're not off. Right. 00:15:05.730 --> 00:15:11.430 Cause cause July 4th is, you know, a U S holiday for obvious reasons. 00:15:12.030 --> 00:15:20.650 Exactly. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't, I really spent most of yesterday and 00:15:20.650 --> 00:15:24.770 today for the most part doing a lot of work, not as much yesterday. 00:15:24.830 --> 00:15:28.150 I definitely did try to spend less time. 00:15:28.930 --> 00:15:35.670 Now, I, I, even though I took the entire previous week off, I did not do anything 00:15:35.670 --> 00:15:41.990 for work on July 4th. And I also took off Friday, July 5th. like i'm and i'm. 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:45.170 I i actually worked i i worked some 00:15:45.170 --> 00:15:48.690 yesterday but today i had a full day today i 00:15:48.690 --> 00:15:55.750 had a completely full day i was just like fuck you know i mean can i get and 00:15:55.750 --> 00:16:04.590 you know a part of it is there there is this cyclical thing related to the to 00:16:04.590 --> 00:16:07.890 the business unfortunately when When I, when, when our fiscal year ended, 00:16:08.130 --> 00:16:14.370 they gave to me, assigned me one of the biggest contracts that we have that 00:16:14.370 --> 00:16:17.730 unfortunately expired actually five days ago. 00:16:17.970 --> 00:16:23.050 And I am in the process of trying to negotiate an extension to it, 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:25.870 unfortunately, but it just basically hit me at the, you know, 00:16:25.890 --> 00:16:29.550 I've, I finished all this other stuff that I had in my previous assignment and 00:16:29.550 --> 00:16:31.910 it should have been a little bit less stressful. 00:16:31.910 --> 00:16:37.150 And I'm like, no, no, I wound up getting, you know, basically parachuted into a mess. 00:16:37.450 --> 00:16:38.310 Oh, nice. 00:16:38.910 --> 00:16:44.730 Unfortunately. And, and I, I, and I'm like, man, it's just, so it's been sucking 00:16:44.730 --> 00:16:51.770 up many of my cycles and, and also I, I will have to travel on Monday for work again, 00:16:51.950 --> 00:16:55.630 like, you know, oh, so I'm not, I'm sick. 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:01.340 But I did, you know, on just to leave it on a happier note before. 00:17:01.340 --> 00:17:03.360 We get back into the disturbing stuff. 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:08.160 In a little bit. Yeah, I have been binge watching Star Trek Picard, 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:14.480 which I had refused to watch because I will admit that very stubbornly I had 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.560 refused to to get Paramount Plus to buy Paramount Plus. 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.960 I was just on this thing where I had signed up already for. 00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:29.140 I don't know. I got HBO Max. I got Amazon Prime. I got Netflix. I got Apple TV Plus. 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:33.220 I'm just, you know, I have cable. I have you. I'm like, oh, come on, man. 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.380 It's not that I couldn't afford. I'm just like, man, I'm I'm I'm putting my foot down now. 00:17:39.340 --> 00:17:47.940 And so it happens that my wife, my wife was binge watching NCIS for whatever reason on Netflix. 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:52.780 And on June 30th, they pulled all of NCIS from Netflix. 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:59.020 OK. OK, right when she was only on season three. And that show has like 17 seasons. 00:17:59.560 --> 00:18:08.740 And so my wife was like, but I'm like, oh, fuck, going to have to sign up for Paramount Plus. 00:18:08.840 --> 00:18:12.940 And so I'm like, OK, fine, because I didn't want to watch. 00:18:13.770 --> 00:18:18.330 Picard and I am finally look I've been watching enough that I I've been doing 00:18:18.330 --> 00:18:22.350 two things I've been reading a book okay actually I've noticed that I've been 00:18:22.350 --> 00:18:26.670 reading a lot of books lately I can't forget I was I'm reading a just a just a book nothing, 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:32.830 very fluffy book not really anything like political or anything whatever it 00:18:32.830 --> 00:18:36.230 was just first I don't know why the hell I wound up buying it but anyway it's 00:18:36.230 --> 00:18:41.690 been good so far and and then I've been now all of a sudden binge watching Picard 00:18:41.690 --> 00:18:45.450 I am in season three and I will say that at. 00:18:45.450 --> 00:18:47.530 Three out of three right three is the last one. 00:18:47.530 --> 00:18:52.210 Three out of three three is the last one I've loved every minute it's great 00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:59.810 the show's really good I really like it so far I'm just like damn this is really good very. 00:18:59.810 --> 00:19:04.310 Very cool I I have let me tell you this is one of those ones where you know 00:19:04.310 --> 00:19:08.270 I I mentioned in our commensal score slack I theoretically I'm I'm working my 00:19:08.270 --> 00:19:11.310 way through the Star Trek universe. 00:19:12.050 --> 00:19:18.170 But of course, being me, I'm doing it in order slowly over time. 00:19:18.350 --> 00:19:24.110 Oh, fuck. So what are you watching right now? Well, okay, let's. 00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:26.030 Well, no, I'm not watching. I'm 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:28.890 not watching any of them right now because I'm on the movies right now. 00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:34.050 And when I do the movies, it's not automatic that the next one comes right away. It has to come up. 00:19:34.070 --> 00:19:37.670 Wait, wait, wait. Oh, one second. You're on the movies. But but listen, 00:19:37.750 --> 00:19:39.690 I mean, you watched all the movies. 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:45.470 Well, no, I not all the I've watched all the original ones and some of the new 00:19:45.470 --> 00:19:47.850 ones. I haven't watched all of the new set of movies. 00:19:48.530 --> 00:19:49.570 Wait, what? 00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:53.910 Like the most recent one in the Kelvin universe I never saw. 00:19:54.630 --> 00:19:56.550 Are you serious? Yes. 00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:00.240 So, so which, what did you stop at? 00:20:00.860 --> 00:20:04.740 Well, the, the, the, the Kelvin, the last Kelvin universe one, 00:20:04.860 --> 00:20:09.680 the, the, the, so there've been three in the reboot series that started and 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:11.520 I've only watched the first two of them. 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.340 Oh, you said, oh, but so, so it's only one that you're missing. 00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:18.700 Yes. But, but what I say, when I say I'm doing the movies, I, 00:20:18.700 --> 00:20:22.880 I'm, you know, I will intersperse all the TV series as well. 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:30.020 Well like so like be after i finish the the original cast movies i'm going to 00:20:30.020 --> 00:20:33.520 watch all of tng and deep space nine and all of those before i do anything else 00:20:33.520 --> 00:20:35.800 but the way i do movies is wait. 00:20:35.800 --> 00:20:38.340 Didn't you already watch all the episodes of tng. 00:20:38.340 --> 00:20:43.000 No i did the original series and the animated series and now wait. 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:43.840 Have you wait wait wait. 00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:45.100 And i've done you've. 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:48.260 What wait wait wait you you have I've watched Star Trek TNG. 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:51.800 Oh, you mean when it was on originally? Yes, of course! 00:20:52.580 --> 00:20:55.920 When it was actually on TV and there were new episodes all the time. 00:20:55.940 --> 00:20:58.960 I think I've seen all of them. If not, I've seen almost all of them. 00:20:59.360 --> 00:21:02.820 Almost all of them. Come on. Yeah, I mean, you watched almost all of those. Come on. 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:09.140 Yeah. Like, when they were new series, I watched, like, almost all of those. 00:21:09.520 --> 00:21:14.500 Right! But see, the way I do the movies is, like, the last movie I've watched, 00:21:15.040 --> 00:21:21.640 It was the 1979, you know, Star Trek, the motion picture. And we talked about it on the show. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.500 So, okay. I know we talked about it on the show, but I don't remember this right 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:29.040 now. Did you not watch it originally when it came out? 00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:33.100 Oh, no. I watched all of the original Star Trek movies. I not only watched, 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.240 I watched them all on opening night in the theaters. 00:21:35.860 --> 00:21:37.920 Yeah, because I watched some of them with you. Oh. 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:41.160 I don't remember that, but okay. I believe you. 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.680 Dude, we went to Toronto. 00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:44.780 Oh, I remember that. I remember. 00:21:45.020 --> 00:21:46.220 Now you remember. Thank you. 00:21:46.320 --> 00:21:49.120 Well, I knew, I remembered going to Toronto. I didn't remember why. 00:21:49.340 --> 00:21:54.100 Yeah, we went to watch the damn premiere of Star Trek Undiscovered Country, damn it. 00:21:54.300 --> 00:22:01.180 Oh, okay. Okay. I believe you. But yeah, I saw all of those on opening. 00:22:01.340 --> 00:22:05.180 Talk about Joe Biden. We got you, for God's sakes. Can't fucking remember anything. 00:22:05.180 --> 00:22:10.360 Thing anyway but the way i do movies since i watched the next not the next generation 00:22:10.360 --> 00:22:16.020 the motion picture the next movie wrath of khan which i yes i've seen before 00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:21.060 yes i saw an opening day when it came out where way back when but like i. 00:22:21.060 --> 00:22:22.860 I saw that one that was great. 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:27.420 And i've seen i've seen a variety of i've seen it many times in between to be 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:33.560 honest but it goes on to my My list of movies is actually divided into several sections. 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:35.920 It's a big list of just anything. 00:22:36.800 --> 00:22:44.960 It's a list of the AFI Top 100. It's a list of movies that I own but have never watched. 00:22:45.260 --> 00:22:48.800 And then finally, it's a list of continuing. 00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:52.980 And every time I roll a movie. 00:22:53.160 --> 00:23:01.020 So I'm watching 10 things. I call it picking a one through 10 when my son and 00:23:01.020 --> 00:23:02.040 I sit down to watch something. 00:23:02.360 --> 00:23:08.500 And I have 10 things on the list, one of which is we're going to not watch a 00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:09.780 TV show, we'll watch a movie. 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:15.300 If I pick roll a movie, then we will pick random number one through four to 00:23:15.300 --> 00:23:18.400 pick which of those four categories. And then if, 00:23:19.420 --> 00:23:24.600 we've picked a continuing series. One of the items on the continuing series 00:23:24.600 --> 00:23:26.960 list is the next Star Trek movie. 00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:31.880 So a number of things have to go right to get to that next Star Trek movie. 00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:36.820 Once you get past a few movies and then like you get to win the TV series, 00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:40.840 the next generation comes in, then the next generation will go into my list 00:23:40.840 --> 00:23:45.160 of potential next series to add when one of the 10 gets finished. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.440 So, so it'll be decades and decades and decades to get to, wait, wait, what. 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.780 What what i what listen yeah what problem i have right now. 00:23:53.780 --> 00:23:58.460 Yeah yeah i i just want to get i just want to get to this it'll be many many 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:00.680 decades probably until my third 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:06.520 or fourth like reincarnated lifetime in before i get to picard okay we. 00:24:06.520 --> 00:24:08.340 Gotta fix this somehow. 00:24:08.340 --> 00:24:15.660 But but but but But here's the thing. Like when Picard was on TV. 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:17.800 They did put it on TV. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.340 What TV? Whatever, you know, Paramount plus. Okay. 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:23.840 Oh, okay. Yeah. 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.000 I'm not, I'm not talking like broadcast TV. 00:24:26.260 --> 00:24:30.380 No, no, no. I'm like, wait, it was on CBS. Oh no. Okay. 00:24:30.820 --> 00:24:36.160 No, no, no, no, no, no. But when it was on, when the new episodes were coming 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.240 out, people would be posting clips of it on TikTok all the time. 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.280 And TikTok figured out I like these clips. 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:48.340 So every time there was an episode, I would see all the highlights of the episode. 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.620 Out of order, random, like in between other things. 00:24:52.860 --> 00:24:57.260 So you wouldn't skip these to like follow some rule. You were watching them. 00:24:57.340 --> 00:25:02.900 I was watching them. So I've like, I've sort of seen the highlight reels of 00:25:02.900 --> 00:25:06.900 Picard, but not any actual episodes. 00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:11.720 But I've seen like, you know, all sorts of clips, people reacting to the episodes, 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:15.200 people like being excited, talking about what they thought about them. 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.860 I've seen all that kind of stuff, but not the episodes themselves. 00:25:19.090 --> 00:25:26.730 Interesting. Well, to be fair, look, I am one that, I will say this, 00:25:26.850 --> 00:25:30.050 that I watched, look, the original series, Next Generation, 00:25:30.430 --> 00:25:35.530 but I have been reluctant to watch almost any of the spinoffs, 00:25:35.530 --> 00:25:38.730 like Deep Space Nine, any of those. 00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:44.030 Now, all the movies I've watched, okay, you know, all the movies, 00:25:44.130 --> 00:25:46.710 including the Kelvin Timeline movies, I've watched all of them. 00:25:47.010 --> 00:25:52.630 I mean, you know, I will say that, you know, the movies from the Next Generation 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:55.310 cast were, eh, weren't that great. 00:25:55.430 --> 00:25:57.610 But, you know, I watched them all. 00:25:57.790 --> 00:26:01.090 I mean, you know, I can't say that I hated any of them, but they weren't, 00:26:01.090 --> 00:26:06.270 like, they weren't great, okay? Okay, I will say that I like from the original 00:26:06.270 --> 00:26:09.730 cast, their movies were better, except, you know, that one, you know, 00:26:09.730 --> 00:26:11.510 that we all know this sucks. 00:26:11.910 --> 00:26:15.290 The Star Trek Let's Go Meet God one? 00:26:15.790 --> 00:26:20.190 Yeah, exactly. That one was just horrible. But, you know, that thing should 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:23.870 somehow be scrubbed from existence. It's just so bad. 00:26:24.170 --> 00:26:27.310 But other than that, I mean, you know, we got. 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:31.870 Well, I've heard good things about a lot of the modern series. 00:26:31.870 --> 00:26:34.230 The latest batch of TV series. 00:26:34.370 --> 00:26:40.210 Oh, oh yeah. This stuff is real. I mean, listen, the, the, the Abrams movies. 00:26:40.570 --> 00:26:43.790 Let me say this on the, on the new TV series. Like, 00:26:44.610 --> 00:26:50.690 And again, having not watched any of them myself, but having watched lots of commentary about them. 00:26:52.950 --> 00:27:00.250 Lots of people like different ones of them. Like the different series are different styles. 00:27:00.590 --> 00:27:04.970 So there's some people who love Picard, but hate Discovery, for instance. 00:27:05.190 --> 00:27:08.730 And there are other people who love Discovery, but hate Picard. 00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:13.430 And it seems like they've made a bunch of these different series that appeal 00:27:13.430 --> 00:27:16.990 to slightly different kinds of people and slightly different audiences. 00:27:17.770 --> 00:27:21.290 And there's a core group that likes all of them, but there's a bunch of people 00:27:21.290 --> 00:27:25.710 who sort of like, oh yeah, I like these two series, but not these two series. 00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:29.790 And because they have different styles, they emphasize different things. 00:27:29.930 --> 00:27:31.790 They do different kinds of storylines. 00:27:31.970 --> 00:27:37.710 Like, you know, they've got the cartoon one, Lower Decks, that's like a parody of things. 00:27:37.890 --> 00:27:42.670 But some people absolutely love that thing and think it's one of the most brilliant things out there. 00:27:42.830 --> 00:27:50.650 There's another series, that Prodigy, that's like aimed at more a younger audience. 00:27:50.650 --> 00:27:55.210 But people it's, it's like second season just came out or something and people 00:27:55.210 --> 00:27:59.810 are raving about it, you know? So like, you know, but, but I think it's that, 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:05.290 you know, I think it's, they, they have intentionally sort of splintered it out. 00:28:05.350 --> 00:28:08.470 So there's like five different shows or whatever. 00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:16.430 I haven't counted that. Like each sort of are intentionally stylistically different from each other. 00:28:16.610 --> 00:28:19.810 So you'll find at least one of them that you like. 00:28:20.650 --> 00:28:23.650 So I'm looking at it here. So we've got the original series, 00:28:23.830 --> 00:28:30.330 the animated series, which I'm sure I watched, but I'm like having vague recollections of that one. 00:28:30.470 --> 00:28:34.570 Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, which I definitely did not watch, 00:28:34.590 --> 00:28:36.850 or did I watch Voyager, nor did I watch Enterprise. 00:28:37.410 --> 00:28:38.530 I liked those three. 00:28:39.150 --> 00:28:41.790 I did not, but you watched, so you did watch those. 00:28:42.090 --> 00:28:45.370 When they were new. I actually never made it to the end of Enterprise. 00:28:45.710 --> 00:28:48.970 My wife did. Enterprise is her favorite of the Star Trek series. 00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:49.570 Okay. 00:28:49.570 --> 00:28:55.750 But like I somehow like I got out of I got out of the regular habit of watching 00:28:55.750 --> 00:28:59.670 things while Enterprise was on the air and I've never gone back to finish it. 00:28:59.770 --> 00:29:03.110 And given the way I do things now, like I said, it'll be a long time. 00:29:03.190 --> 00:29:06.530 Yeah, but OK, so then we've got Discovery, which is still ongoing. 00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:11.190 And then we got Picard and Lower Decks, which you got a few of you guys mentioned. It's really funny. 00:29:12.110 --> 00:29:16.130 Prodigy. I watched that one. Strange New Worlds. So the only one that I've watched 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:18.950 basically does not. That one is Picard. 00:29:18.950 --> 00:29:22.570 People have really said good things about Strange New Worlds as well. 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:28.530 But again, it's one of those, they've got a variety out there that each are 00:29:28.530 --> 00:29:31.670 approaching things differently, and you might like one but not another. 00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:35.300 All right. So there you go. So that was my, my turning back, 00:29:35.420 --> 00:29:37.880 turning, turning misery into, into. 00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:43.140 So you, you, you have not, you have not finished season three yet. 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.320 You have not wrapped it up, but so far thumbs up. 00:29:45.560 --> 00:29:49.920 Oh yeah. Yeah. Thumbs up. Season one, season two thumbs up. And whatever I watched 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.240 the first few episodes of season three, all thumbs up. 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.160 Excellent. 00:29:53.540 --> 00:29:55.060 Across the board. I mean, yeah. 00:29:55.980 --> 00:30:02.400 So yeah. Okay. I, yeah. Having not seen the show, I, I was like, 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.000 Like, okay, I won't give you any spoilers for how it ends because I know how 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.280 it ends because I've seen the clips of the ending. 00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:11.600 But like, anyway, no. 00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:12.220 Shut up. 00:30:13.620 --> 00:30:15.460 I haven't actually seen the show. 00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:16.140 Shut up. 00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:23.840 Okay. I don't spoilers. No spoilers. Okay. So I guess we are doing the light stuff for this. 00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:28.060 I guess I was going to do some election graph stuff, but I'll throw that in 00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:31.280 when we're doing the politics stuff. I will go with a movie. 00:30:31.280 --> 00:30:32.340 Oh, okay. 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.360 And this is one that we have talked about before on the show. 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.620 Actually, we've talked about it multiple times on the show, I think. 00:30:40.820 --> 00:30:44.880 But I most recently watched this movie in January. 00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:49.300 And this is once again, I mentioned it last week on the show that this was coming up. 00:30:49.900 --> 00:30:52.240 2001 A Space Odyssey. I watched it again. 00:30:53.550 --> 00:30:58.310 And, and here, here's my thought that I find interesting about this. 00:30:58.390 --> 00:31:03.710 I have, I have reviewed this on the show before and I've given it a thumbs up 00:31:03.710 --> 00:31:06.110 before as like a really classic movie. 00:31:06.330 --> 00:31:09.330 It's holds up. Well, it's good. Blah, blah, blah. 00:31:09.750 --> 00:31:12.990 But I will say, here's the problem. 00:31:13.250 --> 00:31:13.790 What's that? 00:31:14.090 --> 00:31:17.290 I did not enjoy it as much this last time I watched it. 00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:23.070 And I think the reason was I watched it again too soon. the last time i watched 00:31:23.070 --> 00:31:28.570 it was in 2022 and i watched it again in 2024 how. 00:31:28.570 --> 00:31:33.890 Come okay i'm confused why would you wind up watching it twice like in such 00:31:33.890 --> 00:31:36.270 a short span when you've got so much other shit. 00:31:36.270 --> 00:31:43.910 Because the first time it came up because i think it came up on its own and the 00:31:43.950 --> 00:31:46.750 second time it came up from the afi list 00:31:46.750 --> 00:31:51.310 when i was going oh okay so 00:31:51.310 --> 00:31:55.290 i watched it so basically in august 2022 00:31:55.290 --> 00:31:58.470 i watched 2001 oh because 00:31:58.470 --> 00:32:01.410 it was on the owned list because brandy had bought it 00:32:01.410 --> 00:32:04.410 because she had to watch it for a class so we actually had 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:09.490 like a purchased apple version of it and so i was like okay we have a purchased 00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:13.250 version that i haven't seen the purchased version yet so i'll watch it and then 00:32:13.250 --> 00:32:22.050 in january 2023 and we watched 2010 okay very different kind of movie also very. 00:32:22.050 --> 00:32:23.510 Totally different yeah. 00:32:23.510 --> 00:32:28.730 Thumbs up thumbs up it was also good though and then a. 00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:30.610 Lot of people i notice hate that movie though. 00:32:30.610 --> 00:32:33.110 I i liked i liked it. 00:32:33.110 --> 00:32:34.570 I liked it i thought it was really good. 00:32:34.570 --> 00:32:41.450 Yeah. Anyway. And then January 2001 came up again, but because of the AFI list, 00:32:41.490 --> 00:32:43.230 so I watched it again. And here's the thing. 00:32:44.050 --> 00:32:50.930 I loved the movie, but I feel like this is the kind of movie that... 00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:55.250 Has the impact and you can get really into 00:32:55.250 --> 00:32:58.150 if it's been like 10 years since you saw 00:32:58.150 --> 00:33:03.910 it last you know like you don't remember every detail and you can just sort 00:33:03.910 --> 00:33:09.870 of lay back and experience the movie blah blah blah this when i watched it again 00:33:09.870 --> 00:33:15.950 in january i was like it's too soon i feel like i watched it last week it's. 00:33:15.950 --> 00:33:17.470 Too soon it's too soon. 00:33:17.470 --> 00:33:21.510 You know and i can recognize that it's good but But at the same time, 00:33:21.590 --> 00:33:25.230 I'm like getting a I'm like, I'm kind of bored. 00:33:25.510 --> 00:33:29.870 Well, the thing is, you remember? Yeah, because it is a very long and plodding move. 00:33:30.010 --> 00:33:33.950 Let's be clear about this. So if you don't remember it because you haven't watched 00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:38.210 a long time, you're like, whoa, you know? Yeah. OK, sure. 00:33:38.290 --> 00:33:43.950 And you're willing to just lay back and experience the movie and wash over. 00:33:44.030 --> 00:33:45.390 It's really that kind of movie. 00:33:45.550 --> 00:33:49.050 Exactly. But when you watched it too recently, then you're like, 00:33:49.070 --> 00:33:50.270 oh, come on, hurry the fuck up. 00:33:50.270 --> 00:33:55.230 You know you know it's like i saw this part so like we were doing things like, 00:33:57.050 --> 00:34:00.330 when when when what's his name floyd or whatever, 00:34:02.050 --> 00:34:09.070 is in the shuttle heading to the moon and goes to the bathroom yeah we paused 00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:15.210 to read the instructions that were on the wall for how to use the bathroom yeah, 00:34:16.540 --> 00:34:22.660 And so we read them in detail and went over every line and double checked it 00:34:22.660 --> 00:34:26.200 with the internet to make sure because it was like parts of it were obscured. 00:34:26.220 --> 00:34:28.200 So we were like, okay, what does it really say? 00:34:28.520 --> 00:34:34.820 And stuff like that. And a little bit more talking through it because I don't know. 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.760 It's a wonderful movie. I still give it a thumbs up. 00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:45.300 But it's not the kind of movie you can watch over and over again. 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:48.900 And all that i mean sure i mean i'm sure there are people who do who like this 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:52.300 is their favorite movie and they watch it every week or something but you know. 00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:58.820 But yeah no no no no it's it's very long and plotting no no you can't no i i 00:34:58.820 --> 00:35:03.000 yeah that that cannot be denied from that movie it's you know the the pacing 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:07.600 is you know i don't care for what era because i've watched the movies in that 00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:11.920 era the pacing for that movie is slow so my conclusion is. 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.060 Two years is too soon and. 00:35:14.060 --> 00:35:14.660 It's It was actually. 00:35:14.660 --> 00:35:19.840 Like not even two years. It was like a year and a quarter or something, 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:24.760 you know, a little bit more than a year and a quarter. Not long enough. Not long enough. 00:35:24.940 --> 00:35:27.800 Like I'm sure like after a decade. 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:33.860 Okay. Ready to go again. You know, but like, and maybe even five years would be okay. 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:41.040 But like a year and a bit, not long enough, not long enough at all. Like, yeah. 00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:46.560 So yeah. Okay. That's my movie for the week, 2001. 00:35:47.140 --> 00:35:51.440 Well, you've been stalling enough. Let's take a break, you know, 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.880 that we can hit the heavy lumber. 00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:58.620 I think the two things, just to be clear and put it out there. 00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:00.200 Copa America? 00:36:01.120 --> 00:36:04.840 Yes, again, Copa America. No, the Costco chicken bag. 00:36:05.140 --> 00:36:08.600 Oh, the Costco chicken bag. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:36:08.660 --> 00:36:12.140 And I got thoughts on that thing. Let me tell you. Although I will say that 00:36:12.140 --> 00:36:16.680 I understand it's very eco-friendly, but it's a lot more difficult to cut the chicken. 00:36:17.120 --> 00:36:17.600 Okay. 00:36:18.590 --> 00:36:21.970 Because I shouldn't have taken a picture because I posted a story and we, 00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:24.910 you know, it wasn't the first time I bought one in the new bag. 00:36:25.250 --> 00:36:28.850 I got I got another one like this week and I'm like, damn it. 00:36:28.870 --> 00:36:31.130 This is a lot more work, but I 00:36:31.130 --> 00:36:34.790 am totally on board that it has to be done because it's a lot more equal. 00:36:35.190 --> 00:36:39.110 OK, OK. No, I jump in if I'm wrong here. 00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:43.210 Four ninety nine for a chicken, whole chicken, big chicken. 00:36:43.270 --> 00:36:45.510 Hot dogs. The hot dogs are cheap, too. 00:36:45.650 --> 00:36:48.270 Yeah. Yeah. But four ninety nine for a whole chicken. And listen, 00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:53.250 it lasts three or four meals at least, you know, for a few people. 00:36:53.350 --> 00:36:56.130 It's great. Great value. Highly recommend. 00:36:57.590 --> 00:37:04.210 Okay. Anyway, I think the two topics are the Supreme Court on presidential immunity. 00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:06.670 Oh, yeah. That was this week. 00:37:06.930 --> 00:37:08.590 That was this week. Yes. 00:37:09.310 --> 00:37:13.530 Jesus fucking Christ. Felt like it was like three years ago now. 00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:19.270 And, you know, I was upset. like I intended to get our last show out before 00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:21.690 the ruling went out, but I missed it by like 20 minutes. 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:25.050 Like I put the show out like 20 minutes after the ruling went out. 00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:29.610 So I included in the description that we wouldn't talk about that, 00:37:29.730 --> 00:37:33.730 but I didn't insert it into the show that we didn't talk about it. 00:37:33.790 --> 00:37:37.630 Cause that was already baked. And I was just like doing the final thingy anyway. 00:37:37.630 --> 00:37:45.250 Anyway, so presidential immunity and the continued travails of Biden is old. 00:37:45.390 --> 00:37:50.090 And what do we do about that or not? And all of the drama surrounding that, 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:52.490 which has continued to spiral. 00:37:53.250 --> 00:38:01.130 OK, so with all of that being said, it is time for a break. 00:38:01.370 --> 00:38:04.990 Which one is this one? 00:38:05.270 --> 00:38:07.650 We'll be back after this. Thank you. 00:38:57.500 --> 00:38:58.460 Sort of add suddenly. 00:38:59.080 --> 00:39:00.620 Yes. Very abruptly. 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.240 It's okay. We just made a loop and made it run twice. Yeah. So. 00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:05.860 Yeah. 00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:12.640 Yeah. You may not have guessed, but I am not actually, you know, 00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:14.080 a musician and composer. 00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:19.040 Well, to be fair, considering that you're neither of those. That's not terrible. 00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:21.600 I mean, I've heard a lot of other. 00:39:21.660 --> 00:39:23.400 I like the beat. I like. 00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:30.660 It's got a decent beat. Look, I've heard other intentionally made music that is far worse. 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:37.600 You know, yeah, we, we, we banged some random notes and then did, 00:39:37.700 --> 00:39:44.740 there's a, there's a tool in Logic Pro that like quantizes to sort of make sure 00:39:44.740 --> 00:39:47.160 the timing is even and stuff. 00:39:47.260 --> 00:39:49.900 And we added a couple of things to it and, you know, it's whatever, 00:39:50.060 --> 00:39:53.760 you know, it was, it was fun to do whatever I, you know, I still. 00:39:54.560 --> 00:39:59.440 One of those things that is still on my list to someday do but is not a priority 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.100 is switch out make some new breaks and switch out some of the existing ones 00:40:03.100 --> 00:40:07.820 but you know or yeah whatever i i mean yeah. 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:12.860 I mean i i i promise some and i've been yeah doing about as well as you have but. 00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:21.160 Yeah exactly like you know i had several ideas i've forgotten what the ideas are at this point I. 00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:25.800 Had some ideas, too. I can't remember any of them anymore. Speaking of memory. 00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:33.080 Memories all alone in the moonlight. Something, something. Anyway. 00:40:33.340 --> 00:40:37.940 The way we were. Scattered pictures. 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:46.180 Okay, let's do immunity first, since it was first, like, early in the week. 00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:49.420 And the Biden stuff has just been ongoing the whole time. 00:40:49.740 --> 00:40:55.560 Their new developments. So let me just say on immunity, first of all, the general outlines, 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.080 at a high level of what the court did was what I predicted and what most people 00:41:01.080 --> 00:41:06.620 predicted was that they would develop some sort of definition of what is and 00:41:06.620 --> 00:41:11.560 is not immune and then send it back to the lower court for the lower court to 00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:13.300 go and figure out the specifics. 00:41:13.300 --> 00:41:22.020 But the definition they provided and the guidance they gave around that topic 00:41:22.020 --> 00:41:27.460 was much more expansive than what almost anybody expected them to do. 00:41:27.580 --> 00:41:31.040 It wasn't a very narrow core concept. 00:41:32.540 --> 00:41:36.560 Bit of presidential actions that were immune. 00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:42.660 It was, it was basically the, yes, there was a core group that had absolute 00:41:42.660 --> 00:41:45.140 immunity, but that core group was bigger than people thought. 00:41:45.240 --> 00:41:50.420 And then they granted a presumption of immunity that was much, much broader. 00:41:50.740 --> 00:41:52.860 Well, and wait, okay. 00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:53.600 Wait, hold on. 00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:56.020 Yes. And let me finish. 00:41:56.120 --> 00:41:56.480 Okay. 00:41:56.540 --> 00:42:02.720 And they also put into place some restrictions in terms of, Even if you're trying 00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:06.240 to figure out something that is private and not in scope, 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:14.340 they put in major restrictions on using evidence that was presidential protected 00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:16.940 in terms of proving that things weren't. 00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:22.560 So they basically put lots and lots of obstacles in place here and made the 00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:27.240 presumption just very, very broad and put the burden completely on prosecution 00:42:27.240 --> 00:42:30.800 to prove that something is not. 00:42:31.020 --> 00:42:36.380 I guess here's one way or some way. Well, they put the presumption on the prosecution 00:42:36.380 --> 00:42:42.160 to prove that something was not protected, and they made it very hard for them 00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:44.680 to do so by restricting what evidence could be used for that. 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:51.180 In case of Donald Trump's specific case, the one set of charges that were around 00:42:51.180 --> 00:42:55.860 trying to convince the Department of Justice to do bogus investigations, 00:42:56.260 --> 00:43:01.600 they said that is 100% protected and completely out, and you have to consider 00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:03.580 the other stuff. Go ahead, Yvonne. Sorry, I keep interrupting. 00:43:04.200 --> 00:43:06.300 Well, here is the thing. I mean, I... 00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:12.090 OK, maybe, you know, I'm reading it because I also heard a couple of other people 00:43:12.090 --> 00:43:15.750 that didn't take it, that it was as expansive a protection as you as you're 00:43:15.750 --> 00:43:17.530 what you explained right now, 00:43:17.590 --> 00:43:23.710 because the one thing is that I thought what it did is it separated two things 00:43:23.710 --> 00:43:26.230 into what were official acts and non-official acts. 00:43:26.230 --> 00:43:28.990 Start off with that okay and then 00:43:28.990 --> 00:43:32.070 anything that is an official act okay is you know is 00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:34.910 presumed to be protected or not but but the one thing that 00:43:34.910 --> 00:43:42.130 they did is that they left it very unclear as to they i here's my problem they 00:43:42.130 --> 00:43:47.550 didn't explicitly say what the fuck an official act is they clearly define it 00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:52.170 well is what you said when they said that they jump about the torts They basically 00:43:52.170 --> 00:43:54.890 said the way that they wrote it was, well, 00:43:55.210 --> 00:43:58.270 you know, it could be an official act. 00:43:58.370 --> 00:44:02.670 But if a prosecutor brings it up to court and us as the courts look at it and 00:44:02.670 --> 00:44:05.970 we define that it's not an official act, then it's not an official act. 00:44:06.210 --> 00:44:11.130 And so I was like, so I'm like, wait a minute. And what I felt is what I felt 00:44:11.130 --> 00:44:16.990 is is basically because we saw this in the previous case that they did with 00:44:16.990 --> 00:44:20.130 the what the hell what they did with the federal agencies. 00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:25.030 Agencies, okay, and the regulatory power, where this was a judicial power grab 00:44:25.030 --> 00:44:27.270 on both sides, okay, all right? 00:44:27.310 --> 00:44:32.070 They basically went and said, you know, they took away from the executive, 00:44:32.250 --> 00:44:35.450 here's the funny thing, they took away from the executive the right to make, you know. 00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:40.790 Rules that were binding, any rules that an agency makes can be challenged, 00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:44.110 okay, all right? You know, so that was one thing. 00:44:44.370 --> 00:44:48.210 And then in this case, they basically created this definition of official acts 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:53.430 that basically, well, if us as a judiciary would decide that it's not official, then it's not. 00:44:53.690 --> 00:44:59.950 Well, it's more than that, though, because of the evidentiary stuff that they 00:44:59.950 --> 00:45:01.890 put in there, which Barrett also... 00:45:03.370 --> 00:45:07.870 Barrett broke from the rest of the conservatives on evidentiary part, but it didn't matter. 00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:15.810 They still had the majority because they make the presumption essentially is 00:45:15.810 --> 00:45:21.970 that it is an official act unless you can prove otherwise. wise. 00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:31.910 But they highly restrict what evidence can or cannot be used in order to prove 00:45:31.910 --> 00:45:33.350 it's not an official act. 00:45:33.770 --> 00:45:39.610 And they specifically say you can't inquire into the president's motive. 00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:45.530 And the president's motive is often the exact thing that would make it not an 00:45:45.530 --> 00:45:50.130 official act because they're They're doing it for themselves rather than for the job. 00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:53.530 Well, the problem is inquiring. Well, the problem. 00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:56.750 Well, the thing is, of course, inquiring of the motive, unless, 00:45:56.910 --> 00:46:02.470 you know, he made it clear what the book it's what. And I get what the hell they're saying. 00:46:02.470 --> 00:46:08.850 Well, but for instance, like you can't like one of the examples they brought 00:46:08.850 --> 00:46:15.630 up essentially is that like you cannot interview administration officials to 00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:19.610 find out like what the president was saying about why they did it. 00:46:19.610 --> 00:46:26.110 And they're intending to protect that universe of presidential decision-making 00:46:26.110 --> 00:46:27.610 from outside inspection. 00:46:27.970 --> 00:46:35.070 But in order to prove that you were not doing it as part of your official duties, 00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:39.790 but were doing it for personal reasons, that is sort of critical information. 00:46:40.350 --> 00:46:43.370 Fundamentally, part of the... Well, let me back up one second, 00:46:43.510 --> 00:46:46.810 because I know you and I disagreed about this when we talked about this case 00:46:46.810 --> 00:46:49.550 months ago. But like to me. 00:46:51.040 --> 00:46:57.080 Understanding whether the president committed a crime with their official duties 00:46:57.080 --> 00:47:00.640 is actually more important than their unofficial duties. 00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:06.280 It's basically the definition of abusive power is using your power to accomplish 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.880 things that are illegal or improper or whatever. 00:47:11.200 --> 00:47:16.360 And to me, those require higher scrutiny, not less. like, yeah, 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:22.040 because you are using the official powers of the office for things that are 00:47:22.040 --> 00:47:25.720 not for the public good, but are for your own good for whatever reason. 00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:31.980 And basically this ruling made it near, not impossible, but nearly impossible 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:36.100 to look into that whole realm of things from a criminal point of view. 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.360 Basically what they've said is like the remedy for all of that kind of stuff 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:40.600 is impeachment. End of story. 00:47:41.180 --> 00:47:44.740 Impeachment. I think that, that, that I think is what they They were trying 00:47:44.740 --> 00:47:51.600 to to bring up is I think that and that's and that's the thing that I that I 00:47:51.600 --> 00:47:52.540 think that what they made. 00:47:52.580 --> 00:47:55.020 And there and there are many problems with having impeachment. 00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:56.400 The only way to deal with that. 00:47:56.460 --> 00:48:00.880 But the reality is that, can I be honest, that's what the framers of the Constitution 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.380 really thought was the remedy for for for for in terms of. 00:48:05.380 --> 00:48:15.500 Well, no, but the impeachment clause itself says that they could be liable in 00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:19.400 the normal course of criminal actions after the impeachment. 00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:24.200 It specifically says that the fact that they're impeached would not restrict that. 00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:29.940 But here's the point about that, and it goes back to, okay, so for example, 00:48:30.860 --> 00:48:36.860 You said that part of the investigation that needed to happen in order to uncover 00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:38.920 motives for something happening, okay? 00:48:40.120 --> 00:48:47.100 So say you're somebody from DOJ and the president hasn't impeached. You can't do that. 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:50.960 However, an impeachment inquiry could do so. 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.820 And if they take away that 00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:56.960 veil and reveal that all the actions were criminal then 00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:01.680 it would go back into criminal because the court can then decide oh yes here 00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:05.940 it's clear that it was criminal and because the damn stupid ruling gives us 00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:09.980 that leeway you could you could do that but here listen the reality is that 00:49:09.980 --> 00:49:15.280 what i felt about this when it came out is that basically said you know what But Congress, 00:49:15.540 --> 00:49:17.520 do your fucking job. 00:49:18.700 --> 00:49:20.720 No, but wait, wait. 00:49:20.860 --> 00:49:26.080 It's what it screamed at to me at the top of its lungs because I do think that it's really weird. 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:32.180 I will admit that it's really strange to have a DOJ that is directly under the 00:49:32.180 --> 00:49:34.240 president investigate himself. 00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:40.400 And listen, this has been problematic throughout, 00:49:40.740 --> 00:49:45.920 you know, I mean, going to Nixon, going to Clinton, going to, 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.540 you know, what's happened with Trump. It's been problematic. 00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:53.780 Okay. Look at what happened with, what's his name? With, oh, 00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:57.480 the stupid dog guy, whatever his name was. 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.920 You know, the guy that looked like a dog who was the attorney general. 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.360 You see i can't remember the names of anybody either you know what i'm talking 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:10.460 about right bar that's it bar bar okay what did he do when he came in first 00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:15.440 thing he did this is nothing shut it down bye see ya yeah. 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:16.840 So look the. 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.920 Reality is that but but like people have pointed out that. 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:26.740 Under this current this current regime if it if this decision had been made 00:50:26.740 --> 00:50:30.160 in the Nixon era, he never would have had to give up the tapes. 00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:34.600 He never would have resigned. He never would have likely been able to, 00:50:34.600 --> 00:50:39.480 you know, he would not have had to get a pardon because there would be no opportunity 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.780 to do it because much of the evidence against him, 00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:48.940 was from White House staff who were acting in their official duties. 00:50:49.100 --> 00:50:56.220 One of the charges One of the possible charges against him was misusing the 00:50:56.220 --> 00:51:00.100 IRS and the CIA against his political enemies. 00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:04.620 That would have been shut down because it was official acts. 00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:06.640 He was telling the CIA to do stuff. 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.980 Well, let me ask a question. I can't remember. I thought it wasn't Congress, 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:14.780 the one that obtained the tapes. Or was DOJ? 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:22.180 Go look it up. I think it was DOJ. In any way, it went to the Supreme Court. I think it was DOJ. 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:30.260 But confirm for us. But I've heard a number of legal scholars talk about how this essentially, 00:51:30.560 --> 00:51:37.080 in a stealth way, undid the Supreme Court rulings that were critical in the 00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:39.900 Nixon administration in the Watergate case. 00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:44.040 But look, the bottom line, though. 00:51:44.040 --> 00:51:47.820 It was the House Judiciary that got the tapes. 00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:54.160 Okay. Yeah, because remember, there was a Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired everybody. 00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:54.900 Yes. 00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.720 And so he stopped the DOJ from looking at it. And once again, 00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.440 it wound up, like I said, it was on April 11, 1974, the U.S. 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.880 House Committee and Judiciary subpoenaed the tapes of 42 White House conversations. 00:52:05.120 --> 00:52:08.300 Later that month, Nixon released more than 1,200 pages of edited transcripts, 00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:12.580 refused to resend the actual tapes. And what went to the Supreme Court was that, 00:52:12.620 --> 00:52:16.900 yeah, that he wound up having to submit to Congress to release the tapes. 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.120 And I will, I think. 00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:24.860 So maybe not, maybe I misspoke on the tapes, but a lot of the investigation 00:52:24.860 --> 00:52:29.200 was, you know, all the White House staff who flipped on Nixon and talked about 00:52:29.200 --> 00:52:31.660 what he was doing and blah, blah, blah, you know. 00:52:31.660 --> 00:52:36.740 No, I do get that. And I understand that that's what happened. But I do. 00:52:36.860 --> 00:52:42.100 But I think that what I'm what I'm what I'm saying, OK, is that I think that 00:52:42.100 --> 00:52:44.280 over the last 30, 40 years, 00:52:44.620 --> 00:52:49.820 OK, so I'm looking at that, that that the House and Senate have abdicated a 00:52:49.820 --> 00:52:55.220 lot of their oversight responsibility and and especially on what the president does. 00:52:55.220 --> 00:53:00.580 And and this we saw with trump specifically i mean you know i'm sorry but this 00:53:00.580 --> 00:53:04.800 should have been a slam dunk impeachment there is no reason why this guy but 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.360 mcconnell himself relied. 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.800 On the fact for his no vote that he thought that trump was gonna be handled 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.740 by the criminal justice system and this ruling basically says that won't that 00:53:14.740 --> 00:53:16.300 can't happen for most things. 00:53:16.300 --> 00:53:20.800 Well well basically well here's the one thing here well here's what i'm saying 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:25.760 basically this is them telling telling these motherfuckers that, 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.720 you know what, that that's not the avenue to fucking dilucidate this person. 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.320 The first fucking avenue has to be you assholes have to fucking impeach this son of a bitch. 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.340 I think you are giving them way too much credit. I don't think the justices 00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:42.820 who voted for this are like, damn it, Senate, you should have impeached him when you had a chance. 00:53:43.060 --> 00:53:48.920 I'm not talking about, no, I really do. No, I do think that as many have over 00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:52.080 the last few decades protected presidential power a lot, okay, 00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.020 over, you know, over time. 00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:58.580 And I do think that this decision wasn't just thinking about dickhead, okay? 00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:01.820 All right? This is a massive increase in presidential power. 00:54:01.940 --> 00:54:05.460 No, I totally agree that it's a massive increase in presidential power. 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:13.400 This this makes it so hard to hold presidents accountable. And it is specifically for. 00:54:13.720 --> 00:54:15.200 Yeah, but but. 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:21.620 Well, well, it is specifically for things where Congress passes laws to restrict 00:54:21.620 --> 00:54:24.700 what the president does or passes laws. 00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:29.680 Just this case isn't even about a law that was passed specifically to restrict 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:33.780 the president, which would have other issues implied. This is just the president 00:54:33.780 --> 00:54:36.480 violated a flat out law that applies to everybody. 00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:40.400 And they're putting huge obstacles. 00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:44.120 Like there's a portion of Jack Smith's case that goes away instantly. 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:50.500 The rest of Jack Smith's case becomes significantly harder than it would have 00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:51.640 been otherwise with this. 00:54:51.720 --> 00:54:54.940 It may not all be dead. Like there's going to be the hearings. 00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:59.180 There's going to be back and forth. Like, one thing I haven't heard yet, 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.620 which I'm surprised it's been a week and we haven't heard yet, 00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:08.720 is anything from the lower court on scheduling hearings around these issues. 00:55:08.980 --> 00:55:14.120 Because now their job is going to be, okay, from everything that's left in the 00:55:14.120 --> 00:55:18.200 case, what's official, what's not, how do we go forward? 00:55:18.200 --> 00:55:26.100 Word, Jack Smith may adjust the indictment to try to get around some of these issues. 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.600 There's a bunch of that kind of stuff that may happen. I haven't heard dates 00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:35.360 for that yet, which is interesting, but I suspect we very soon will start hearing dates for that. 00:55:35.600 --> 00:55:39.140 But what SCOTUS has done for sure is 00:55:39.140 --> 00:55:42.360 made Jack Smith's life a lot harder to 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:47.740 get to these same But I think more importantly is the broader thing that they 00:55:47.740 --> 00:55:54.860 have just made it a lot easier for a president to abuse their power without 00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:59.540 being concerned about being held responsible for it after they leave office. 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:06.420 They may still have to be concerned about the impeachment, but let's be clear on impeachment too. 00:56:06.940 --> 00:56:10.200 Impeachment has proven itself to not work. 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:17.080 Yes. How much, even going back to Nixon, how well have we done in terms of really 00:56:17.080 --> 00:56:20.240 holding a president accountable for their official actions? 00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:27.200 Well, I think you could actually say that since Nixon, a lot of the kinds of 00:56:27.200 --> 00:56:31.180 behavior that Nixon was doing that was commonplace before Nixon, 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.300 I mean, Kennedy and Johnson also abused the FBI to go after their opponents. 00:56:37.560 --> 00:56:44.020 That's true. And I think for decades after Nixon, this whole culture in DOJ 00:56:44.020 --> 00:56:47.920 of like we can't even talk to the president because we have to be independent 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.500 was directly a post-Watergate effect where people were like –. 00:56:53.640 --> 00:56:58.220 FBI was being misused. We have to make sure that never happens again. 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:05.080 There, there, I think there have been all kinds of cases where presidents might've 00:57:05.080 --> 00:57:10.140 been tempted to do stuff, but held back what this says is, Oh, 00:57:10.220 --> 00:57:12.140 sorry, no need to hold back anymore. 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.340 And you know, if you got somebody like Biden in there, he's, 00:57:16.340 --> 00:57:21.520 he's going to do the right thing anyway, but probably, probably there There 00:57:21.520 --> 00:57:24.600 might be some edge cases where even he will be willing to push the envelope 00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:26.980 now that this is the case. 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:35.940 But certainly if you get Trump in there, like any previous worries he might have had, all gone. 00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:40.780 You know, the way they defined this, like this was actually something that Roberts 00:57:40.780 --> 00:57:43.400 in the oral argument had concern about. 00:57:43.600 --> 00:57:47.680 And then in the final opinion was like, I don't have to worry about that after 00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:53.000 all, is that the way it's written, you can't even prove a fucking bribery case 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.200 because you can prove that they got money, 00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:01.280 but the actual act of, say, appointing an ambassador or giving out a pardon 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:08.040 is unquestionably an official act and you can't bring in evidence about the official act. 00:58:08.140 --> 00:58:11.240 So how do you prove that the bribery had to do with the official act? 00:58:11.420 --> 00:58:13.920 You're screwed. It's a catch 22. 00:58:14.620 --> 00:58:19.000 And so like, you know, and people have brought up like the scenario that people 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:24.260 keep talking about, about order seal to order seal team six to kill your opponent, 00:58:24.460 --> 00:58:26.860 blah, blah, blah. They're like, well, yeah, that's still illegal. 00:58:27.080 --> 00:58:30.620 Like you might not be able to charge the president for it because the president 00:58:30.620 --> 00:58:35.540 is doing an unofficial act, but the general that he orders it to isn't going 00:58:35.540 --> 00:58:37.420 to do it because it's an illegal order. 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.700 And, but it was pointed out, well, all the president has to do is pardon them in advance. 00:58:43.420 --> 00:58:46.980 You know, yes, I'm going to give you an illegal order, but you are here with 00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:50.080 a pardon for anything you do in order to, 00:58:51.090 --> 00:58:56.410 act on that illegal order. And now some things might imply state or local crimes, 00:58:56.470 --> 00:58:58.750 not just federal, but, but you get the idea. 00:58:59.030 --> 00:59:02.290 There's, there's all kinds of obstacles that could be put in place there. 00:59:02.710 --> 00:59:07.170 Yeah. I mean, still Tim six goes and murder, say Trump here in Florida. 00:59:07.590 --> 00:59:11.870 Yeah. Uh, you know, they're, they're liable for murder here in Palm state, football beach. 00:59:12.290 --> 00:59:15.890 Well, and I, and I will, I will say this as well. Like people have brought in 00:59:15.890 --> 00:59:22.590 all these examples of like, well, given this ruling, Obama can, no, Obama, Biden. 00:59:22.810 --> 00:59:24.070 You keep saying Obama. 00:59:24.390 --> 00:59:27.910 I know. They look the same. I can't tell the difference. 00:59:30.110 --> 00:59:35.310 Anyway, no, people keep giving examples of like, well, Biden could go kill Trump now. 00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:40.490 Biden could go just put Trump in jail as a national security risk. Biden could do this. 00:59:40.890 --> 00:59:43.190 I've been saying that for a long time. 00:59:43.190 --> 00:59:49.490 Biden could immediately just get rid of all the student loan debt with an executive order. 00:59:49.610 --> 00:59:52.490 The Supreme Court said he can't, but what are they going to do about it now? 00:59:52.590 --> 00:59:56.670 They just said, you know, they can't like hold them to it or anything. So just do it. 00:59:57.050 --> 01:00:00.070 There are all kinds of things like that. But, but here's the thing. 01:00:00.570 --> 01:00:08.470 I 100% guarantee you that with this court, what you just said is exactly what would happen. 01:00:08.570 --> 01:00:14.990 Like if Biden abused his powers in the exact Exact same fucking way. 01:00:15.030 --> 01:00:18.870 Donald Trump has already abused them and is in the J six case, 01:00:18.950 --> 01:00:21.390 for instance. And that is. 01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:23.880 That would immediately, it 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.180 would go back to SCOTUS and SCOTUS would be like, oh, well, not like that. 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.580 This scenario is different. And here's why. 01:00:33.040 --> 01:00:39.320 You know, and because like, yeah, I know you still have some level of confidence 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:44.260 that these decisions are being made on a sort of let's think about the law and 01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:46.280 the general implication for all presidents. 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.420 And I think it is 01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:57.020 very clear at this point that a majority of the court in a majority of the cases 01:00:57.020 --> 01:01:03.840 is simply acting to get the political result they want and is making up the 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.680 legal justification in a post-hoc way. 01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:11.600 Like, what's the right legal justification that gets us to what we want here? 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:17.400 Because there's not even necessarily consistency between their own rulings. in some of these cases. 01:01:18.120 --> 01:01:25.500 It's like, no, what we want here, we want to massively expand presidential power. 01:01:25.740 --> 01:01:28.980 We want to delay this as long as we can for Donald Trump. 01:01:29.180 --> 01:01:32.960 We want to make it really difficult for the prosecution to make a case. 01:01:33.120 --> 01:01:36.660 So how do we justify that? That's what we're going to do. 01:01:37.240 --> 01:01:38.980 A great day for democracy, huh? 01:01:38.980 --> 01:01:45.060 And, and honestly, this is the kind of thing where, you know, 01:01:45.060 --> 01:01:48.100 even because of the way precedent works, 01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:57.100 you know, even if Donald Trump loses, this puts in a time bomb for whenever 01:01:57.100 --> 01:02:02.460 we get the next president who wants to massively abuse their power. 01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:05.540 It just makes it very difficult to deal with it. 01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:09.780 I mean, it's already difficult to deal with that situation. This makes it worse. 01:02:09.860 --> 01:02:11.760 It almost gives them a green light. 01:02:12.020 --> 01:02:16.280 Now, some people have said, you know, this is not the kind of decision that 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:21.940 I feel like will stand the test of time over decades and decades because it 01:02:21.940 --> 01:02:23.900 will be sort of narrowed back down. 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.780 And I tell you, it'll be narrowed back down exactly in the way I just said. 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:33.740 A president that the court disagrees with. 01:02:33.740 --> 01:02:38.520 Well that's why that's what i that's what i would like with that's what i would 01:02:38.520 --> 01:02:42.220 love for a fucking you know honestly for biden to push. 01:02:42.220 --> 01:02:43.000 The limits of this. 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:47.540 Fuck yeah okay this is the way you guys think it should work okay let's start 01:02:47.540 --> 01:02:51.340 pushing the limits on this fucking thing i mean if it were if it were me if 01:02:51.340 --> 01:02:55.500 it were me i would i don't know that joe biden would but i guarantee you joe 01:02:55.500 --> 01:03:01.500 biden would but but me oh fun i would be listen i would be on day one okay bringing 01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.820 down all my my White House staff, 01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:06.880 how the fuck are we going to make, you know, we're going to push the limit on 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:11.100 this fucking thing to see what the fuck happens. Period. Flat out. 01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:16.100 Well, just one simple example. One of the, 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:23.000 Trump refrains for years and years and years now is how all this is a witch hunt. 01:03:23.140 --> 01:03:27.120 It's all out to get him. And this was all driven by Joe Biden. 01:03:27.240 --> 01:03:28.560 And that makes it improper. 01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:31.460 Well, the Supreme Court just said, if that's what Joe Biden wants, 01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:32.440 that's absolutely fine. 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:37.880 I know. So let's sink in every fucking prosecutor on Trump's ass. 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:45.300 Yeah. Oh, my God. Let's just, you know what? let's just blizzard him with fucking 01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:50.300 arrests and beat the subpoenas let's just let's just you know what let's just i mean. 01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:54.980 Yeah dig into everything you've ever done in your freaking life ever. 01:03:54.980 --> 01:03:58.260 Ever i mean you know i mean yeah. 01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:02.500 Because i'm it's a target rich environment as i've said many times before i'm 01:04:02.500 --> 01:04:04.280 sure they can find more stuff on him. 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:06.440 And everybody on his family. 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.640 And everyone on his and. 01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:15.620 Old fucking family let's just you know ivanka jared everybody we fucking go 01:04:15.620 --> 01:04:20.380 send it to the fbi and arrest them just arrest you know what are we being charged we don't know yet. 01:04:20.380 --> 01:04:23.300 We'll figure it out later yeah no we'll. 01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:24.220 Figure it out later. 01:04:24.220 --> 01:04:26.960 Well and this is exactly the kind of 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.600 stuff that is potentially enabled by 01:04:30.600 --> 01:04:33.860 this because specifically to be clear it's be 01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:37.120 you know the rest of the case and blah 01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:40.600 blah blah aside they they specifically said 01:04:40.600 --> 01:04:43.720 the president's directives to government agencies 01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:52.900 are 100 100 official and 100 protected so like that scenario of joe biden directing 01:04:52.900 --> 01:04:59.060 the department of justice to do xyz that that is 100 protected and immune right 01:04:59.060 --> 01:05:02.820 according to like yes You know, yeah, you could go impeach him over it. 01:05:03.060 --> 01:05:07.100 And frankly, you know, the Republic, this would actually give the Republican 01:05:07.100 --> 01:05:10.440 house something to actually impeach him on that. 01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:16.520 I would not disagree with, to be honest, but like, but the, the democratic Senate 01:05:16.520 --> 01:05:19.720 could still acquit him and then you're done. 01:05:20.180 --> 01:05:21.300 Right. Yeah. 01:05:21.380 --> 01:05:26.740 You know, that's it. And it goes back to the very early days of the Supreme 01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:30.800 Court when, who was it, Andrew Jackson or somebody who said the Supreme Court 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:32.860 has made their decision, now let them enforce it? 01:05:33.140 --> 01:05:33.600 Right. 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:42.460 But the fact that administrations of both parties have fundamentally felt like, 01:05:42.580 --> 01:05:45.600 yeah, we have to abide by the law, 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:51.200 including the court's judgments on that law, has been sort of fundamental. pedal. 01:05:51.580 --> 01:05:54.560 Wow. Okay, well, wow, wow, wow. 01:05:54.720 --> 01:05:58.160 To be fair, look, there's a lot of people that said that there should have been 01:05:58.160 --> 01:06:00.620 criminal charges brought against a lot of people in the, 01:06:01.370 --> 01:06:05.210 including george w bush over the how the iraq war was run. 01:06:05.210 --> 01:06:10.630 Well and i well i agree with them on the torture part like i think there were 01:06:10.630 --> 01:06:15.030 there are actual statutes against what was done and the bush administration 01:06:15.030 --> 01:06:17.670 should have been held liable for it yeah so we. 01:06:17.670 --> 01:06:18.590 Didn't do that either. 01:06:18.590 --> 01:06:21.650 We should have damn it and also we and 01:06:21.650 --> 01:06:24.570 and and you know doj should have 01:06:24.570 --> 01:06:27.470 gone after the obstruction of justice on the muller report 01:06:27.470 --> 01:06:30.230 issues as soon as they got into power too which by the 01:06:30.230 --> 01:06:33.410 way also would be taken out 01:06:33.410 --> 01:06:36.950 of play by this supreme court ruling as well oh yeah because the obstruction 01:06:36.950 --> 01:06:43.310 of justice was around things like firing the fbi director telling doj to do 01:06:43.310 --> 01:06:48.590 x y right yeah and all of those out out the window yeah and and like fundamentally 01:06:48.590 --> 01:06:51.630 that this is where i i come back to like to me 01:06:51.930 --> 01:06:57.570 official acts need more protection not less but you know but even if you're 01:06:57.570 --> 01:07:00.730 going to have this back to the beginning of this but. 01:07:00.730 --> 01:07:04.050 Even even without this ruling it was very difficult to do anyway. 01:07:04.050 --> 01:07:08.930 Oh no it was it was difficult anyway but this just makes it so much harder because 01:07:08.930 --> 01:07:13.730 even with this sort of even if you agree which i don't this should be sort of 01:07:13.730 --> 01:07:16.910 a core group of executive power that's protected and immune. 01:07:17.370 --> 01:07:26.370 They have made it so expansive. The presumption of executive immunity is very expansive. 01:07:26.730 --> 01:07:30.470 The way to burst that presumption is very, very hard. 01:07:30.750 --> 01:07:36.110 They have extensively limited what kind of evidence you can or cannot use to 01:07:36.110 --> 01:07:42.630 even make those arguments, or even to use as evidence for other cases that are clearly private. it. 01:07:43.190 --> 01:07:46.050 So it's, it's just, it's a mess. 01:07:46.590 --> 01:07:54.030 And I think this is one of those decisions that Trump or not, 01:07:54.150 --> 01:07:58.070 I think it's much worse if Trump wins, obviously, but Trump or not, 01:07:58.190 --> 01:08:02.950 this decision will have negative implications lasting the rest of our lives, 01:08:03.030 --> 01:08:05.690 you know, in total, or unless, 01:08:05.910 --> 01:08:08.490 you know, some future court overturns it. 01:08:08.550 --> 01:08:12.590 But the problem is to get to the point where a future court overturns it. 01:08:12.750 --> 01:08:17.250 You have to have a president who does very abusive things. 01:08:17.750 --> 01:08:21.090 Well, actually, I'm not even sure who has standing in that case. 01:08:21.430 --> 01:08:27.470 How do you even roll this back? Because like DOJ, it's not like DOJ can bring a court. 01:08:27.650 --> 01:08:33.270 I guess DOJ would have to go after an ex-president anyway. 01:08:33.850 --> 01:08:34.850 Ex-president. 01:08:34.850 --> 01:08:37.870 They would have to go after an ex-president anyway using 01:08:37.870 --> 01:08:43.170 evidence and things that were considered immune by this case and it would have 01:08:43.170 --> 01:08:48.710 to make its way back up to a some future scotus who would say who instead of 01:08:48.710 --> 01:08:55.250 reaffirming the previous decision would say the previous decision was wrong and overturn it but we. 01:08:55.250 --> 01:09:01.290 Just need i mean i i keep saying it i don't and why don't we pack this fucking we need to. 01:09:02.580 --> 01:09:08.960 Well, and this, this ties to another thing that, you know, has come up again 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:16.060 in terms of court packing, but I think has come up over and over again for the last couple of times. 01:09:16.060 --> 01:09:22.180 Democrats have had control of either the house or the senate is that there's very much a, 01:09:23.540 --> 01:09:32.440 if this if if there's not a path to this thing actually becoming law then don't even try, 01:09:33.040 --> 01:09:39.540 you know so for instance oh in order to pack the court we would need to eliminate 01:09:39.540 --> 01:09:43.620 the filibuster no we don't um and we don't have the votes oh. 01:09:43.620 --> 01:09:45.640 And we need to eliminate yeah we do yeah what am. 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:46.340 I I say yes the. 01:09:46.340 --> 01:09:49.920 Opposite right I thought for some reason I it's my age. 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:57.080 Yes it's it's your your bite yeah I know intellect yeah anyway you would have 01:09:57.080 --> 01:10:00.940 to eliminate the filibuster and so we know since we don't have the we we don't 01:10:00.940 --> 01:10:04.520 have the votes we're not even going to try and I think there's a, 01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:12.720 a real case that even for first of all there are ways to be a first of all you 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.820 you potentially actually could eliminate the filibuster. 01:10:14.820 --> 01:10:17.540 I know we didn't have the votes to eliminate the filibuster, et cetera, et cetera. 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:25.180 But even the act of trying something that you know is going to fail makes the other side stop you. 01:10:25.540 --> 01:10:32.640 And then you can say, look, I tried, but they stopped me. It's their fault. 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:39.060 If you just sort of start with the presumption of defeat and don't do it at 01:10:39.060 --> 01:10:45.040 all, than what it looks like to your own supporters, especially low information supporters, 01:10:45.940 --> 01:10:47.940 are they didn't even fucking try. 01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:52.740 We voted for them so that they would do XYZ and they didn't even fucking try. 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.720 And that's what it ends up looking like. 01:10:56.480 --> 01:11:00.720 Yeah, well, it wound up looking like that, but the reality is that you had, 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:06.760 the majority was super tenuous, and the two critical votes for that basically said no way in hell. 01:11:07.080 --> 01:11:09.480 Well, I know, but what happened is- No. 01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:12.740 I know, that's what they say. Listen, I know that's what the low information voters say. 01:11:12.780 --> 01:11:17.780 But- No, no, but what I'm saying is the difference is, the Democratic strategy 01:11:17.780 --> 01:11:21.800 in that scenario is, we don't have the votes, therefore we're not going to push 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:27.240 this right now. Now, the alternative is push it anyway, lose. 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:32.440 And they don't give you credit for that shit. Look, I mean, 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:37.080 you know, how many times have Republicans pushed through these votes on bullshit 01:11:37.080 --> 01:11:41.020 that I know that, you know, even their base doesn't recognize that they tried 01:11:41.020 --> 01:11:42.980 to do anything related to that stuff. 01:11:43.080 --> 01:11:47.740 We'll bring up a vote 100 times. We'll, you know, we'll push to impeach whatever 01:11:47.740 --> 01:11:52.280 it's, you know, failed votes. Listen, we're talking about low-information voters. 01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:58.060 Low-information voters, they fucking don't even pay attention to the votes that actually happen. 01:11:58.440 --> 01:12:00.980 You think you're going to fucking pay attention to a failed vote? 01:12:01.160 --> 01:12:04.780 I didn't even notice this shit. People don't know. 01:12:04.940 --> 01:12:08.620 At least you could make the story of it. You could cut the commercials that 01:12:08.620 --> 01:12:12.440 say, we are pushing for blah and they stopped us. 01:12:12.740 --> 01:12:18.480 Instead of saying, vote for us again and we'll do this, and then not do it yet again. 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:22.460 Oh, I mean, you can do what the fuck we do. We just say that we're pushing for 01:12:22.460 --> 01:12:25.420 it, and it didn't happen. I mean, you know, you can just say it. 01:12:25.780 --> 01:12:29.420 They don't count the fucking, they don't look at the, listen, 01:12:29.540 --> 01:12:33.200 Sam, you're saying, oh, the fuck we could use it as a fact that they would look 01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:37.480 at what facts, what nonsense, what are you talking about? What the hell are you saying? 01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:43.580 Like, the fucking facts don't matter to these people. I don't know anything. 01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:46.060 I'm sick and tired of all these assholes. 01:12:47.030 --> 01:12:51.010 I'm so sick and tired of them. Yeah. And we're fucking like right now hostage 01:12:51.010 --> 01:12:53.870 to an entire class of idiots, Sam. 01:12:54.650 --> 01:13:01.270 It's a complete fucking mass of low information morons. 01:13:01.910 --> 01:13:04.810 I think we have a title for the show. Class of idiots. 01:13:05.610 --> 01:13:10.230 I'm so sick and tired of all of them. They don't know shit about nothing. 01:13:10.410 --> 01:13:13.730 Every time I hear shit like I've heard like over the last, you know, 01:13:13.750 --> 01:13:14.870 I don't know how many years. 01:13:14.870 --> 01:13:20.850 Well, you know, the Democrats didn't, you know, could have passed legislation 01:13:20.850 --> 01:13:25.350 to protect abortion across the nation, but they decided that not to in order 01:13:25.350 --> 01:13:26.870 to fundraise over the issue. 01:13:27.350 --> 01:13:30.210 And I'm like, what fucking reality? 01:13:30.750 --> 01:13:33.330 Which planet do you live on, asshole? 01:13:33.870 --> 01:13:40.110 You know, the filibuster? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you, you know? 01:13:40.110 --> 01:13:44.010 So and and and and just to be clear on that particular issue, 01:13:44.150 --> 01:13:48.290 even when the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, 01:13:48.390 --> 01:13:51.830 they did not have the votes on the abortion issue. 01:13:52.170 --> 01:13:55.510 I shouldn't issue because there were like conservative Democrats anyway. 01:13:56.110 --> 01:14:01.950 Yes. Fuck it. But Sam, this is the shit that they spew. 01:14:02.170 --> 01:14:05.410 Or how about this one? This one was a gem. I always loved this. 01:14:05.570 --> 01:14:11.090 Well, you know, because Obama has weakened the military. and right now our military 01:14:11.090 --> 01:14:15.570 is weaker than russia and china and i'm like fuck oh we. 01:14:15.570 --> 01:14:17.090 Spend more than the. 01:14:17.090 --> 01:14:27.330 Next 10 nations combined and what are you talking about oh really and. 01:14:27.330 --> 01:14:30.730 I've said this before but to like the vast 01:14:30.730 --> 01:14:33.910 i shouldn't say vast majority but probably the 01:14:33.910 --> 01:14:37.550 vast majority of people that the it really doesn't 01:14:37.550 --> 01:14:40.530 go any deeper than when you're 01:14:40.530 --> 01:14:43.350 talking about president or anything else it's like 01:14:43.350 --> 01:14:49.750 did something bad happen if so who you know whoever's president is to blame 01:14:49.750 --> 01:14:57.670 yeah basically period period period like and there's no further analysis any 01:14:57.670 --> 01:15:00.730 deeper than that there's no No understanding of, 01:15:00.970 --> 01:15:06.710 I mean, I heard someone, maybe it was a conversation on Mastodon a while back, 01:15:06.730 --> 01:15:11.110 the last month sometime, somebody asking, like, do they actually teach like 01:15:11.110 --> 01:15:12.610 civics in high school anymore? 01:15:12.950 --> 01:15:20.250 Because nobody seems to understand how any of the basics of this stuff even works. 01:15:20.590 --> 01:15:20.930 No. 01:15:21.010 --> 01:15:27.230 And I'm like, look, first of all, I think that is highly dependent on exactly 01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:33.010 where you live. but frankly when I was a kid they did teach that in high school but, 01:15:34.410 --> 01:15:39.470 Yes, there are wonks like me and you, but the vast majority of people did not 01:15:39.470 --> 01:15:41.010 care, did not pay attention. 01:15:41.210 --> 01:15:43.330 They just want, you know. 01:15:43.330 --> 01:15:47.730 It's like maybe they'll pay attention enough to like, you know, 01:15:47.730 --> 01:15:51.370 pass the quiz this week. But then the second it's over, they forgot. 01:15:51.390 --> 01:15:52.630 It's like completely deleted. 01:15:53.070 --> 01:15:56.430 Yeah, because they didn't care to begin with. like you 01:15:56.430 --> 01:15:59.130 know meanwhile yeah i i've i've been 01:15:59.130 --> 01:16:02.090 interested interested in the intricacy yeah 01:16:02.090 --> 01:16:04.830 i've been interested in the intricacies of how 01:16:04.830 --> 01:16:10.350 this stuff works since like seventh or eighth grade you know and like you know 01:16:10.350 --> 01:16:14.730 i i loved like reading the goddamn constitution and understanding okay well 01:16:14.730 --> 01:16:18.930 how how would the 22nd amendment play out if somebody actually had to use it 01:16:18.930 --> 01:16:23.430 blah blah This is not most people, clearly. 01:16:25.150 --> 01:16:32.410 I literally met with a Palestinian group like 30 years ago to understand some 01:16:32.410 --> 01:16:38.910 of the issues between Israel and Palestinians at Georgetown for my amusement purposes. 01:16:39.890 --> 01:16:44.090 I went to a seminar where we were talking about Iran-Contra, 01:16:44.210 --> 01:16:50.010 where I was rightly so basically told that I was a moron and didn't know what I was saying. 01:16:50.290 --> 01:16:53.830 And that professor that said that to me was absolutely correct. 01:16:54.130 --> 01:16:57.710 And I did learn from that. 01:16:57.890 --> 01:16:58.090 Right. 01:16:58.510 --> 01:16:59.070 Okay. 01:16:59.190 --> 01:17:11.510 So anyway, let's take our second break. and then we will switch into joe biden joe. 01:17:11.510 --> 01:17:12.710 Good old joe. 01:17:12.710 --> 01:17:19.930 Good old joe and his whole everything that's going on and so the the next break 01:17:19.930 --> 01:17:23.670 is an election graphs break and so i will start out the next segment by talking 01:17:23.670 --> 01:17:27.310 about some of the things i launched on there this last week and then we'll move 01:17:27.310 --> 01:17:29.830 into the rest of the joe biden stuff back after this. 01:18:34.040 --> 01:18:38.880 Okay. So election graphs, just real quick. I took last week off, 01:18:38.940 --> 01:18:43.500 as I mentioned on the show, to add probabilistic estimates that actually take 01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:46.660 into account the amount of time left before the election. 01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:52.560 This was basically, for a long time, I've had probabilities that took the. 01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:58.040 Final election graphs averages from 2008 to 2020, 01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:03.000 compared them to actual election results, Did a bunch of mathematical analysis 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:08.480 that I won't bore you with here to use that to sort of on a state-by-state basis say, 01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:13.940 if the candidate is ahead by this percentage, 01:19:14.240 --> 01:19:19.360 either Republican or Democrat ahead or behind, what are the chances of them 01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:20.580 actually winning? winning. 01:19:21.220 --> 01:19:25.500 Basically, an easy way to think of that is say, it's not quite, 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.060 it's a simplification of the actual mathematics, 01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:37.740 but one way to think about it is say, okay, let's say Donald Trump has a 3% lead in some state. 01:19:38.180 --> 01:19:43.920 Let's look back at 2008 through 2020 and look at all the times the Republican 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:50.580 has had a 3% lead approximately, what percentage of that time did they end up winning? 01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:54.900 And then using that information on a state-by-state basis to do a simulation 01:19:54.900 --> 01:19:56.180 of national blah, blah, blah. 01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:01.340 But all of that time, it's been an if the election was held today, 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:06.500 which alternately is the same as if the polls don't change at all between now and election day. 01:20:06.860 --> 01:20:10.300 And obviously the election is not Not today. 01:20:10.480 --> 01:20:13.760 And obviously, polls will change a lot between now and Election Day, 01:20:13.820 --> 01:20:15.440 the up, down, sideways, left, right. 01:20:15.940 --> 01:20:22.600 So what I did over the week I took off and a couple days after was basically 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:25.900 add in all the infrastructure to say. 01:20:26.980 --> 01:20:32.200 To do that same comparison, but instead of always using the very last final 01:20:32.200 --> 01:20:39.200 election graphs averages before the election, was to look at the averages X 01:20:39.200 --> 01:20:41.140 number of days before the election. 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:47.700 So for instance, right now, as we're recording, it's 122.8 days before polls 01:20:47.700 --> 01:20:49.180 start to close on election night. 01:20:49.320 --> 01:20:53.820 So I would look at everything that's 122, 123 days before the election. 01:20:53.820 --> 01:20:59.200 What were my election graphs averaged that far before each of the last four 01:20:59.200 --> 01:21:01.680 elections? And how much did things change? 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:06.440 Now, it's still sort of modeling based on the actual last four elections. 01:21:06.860 --> 01:21:12.300 And so you've always got this, you know, future results, or no, 01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:16.480 past results may not be indicative of future results, right? 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.460 Yeah, I think the phrase in the market is on returns. 01:21:21.340 --> 01:21:27.480 That's correct. Yes. Past returns do not indicate future returns. Yes. 01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:32.900 Exactly. And so you've always got that caveat that just because this is sort 01:21:32.900 --> 01:21:37.200 of how it worked out for the last four election cycles does not mean this is 01:21:37.200 --> 01:21:39.380 how it'll work out this time. 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:42.980 And specifically, the fact that's relevant here, 01:21:43.160 --> 01:21:51.460 aside from the ups and downs within the time is also that for only one of those 01:21:51.460 --> 01:21:55.360 last four election cycles have the polls underestimated the Democrats. 01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:59.620 There was one where they were pretty spot on and two where they fairly significantly 01:21:59.620 --> 01:22:05.680 underestimated the Republicans, specifically Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020. 01:22:06.340 --> 01:22:10.240 And so my odds kind of assume that, 01:22:10.980 --> 01:22:15.340 The polls, if they're doing anything, are probably underestimating Trump a little bit. 01:22:15.440 --> 01:22:22.520 They don't feel really secure that there's a 50-50 shot of who wins a state 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:27.760 unless the Democrat is ahead by like 1.5%. I forget the exact number, 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.980 1.2, 1.3, somewhere around there. 01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:35.280 And so anyway, the bottom line is that's been added. If you go to electiongraphs.com, 01:22:35.400 --> 01:22:36.660 you can check out all that out. 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:41.720 I did a little redesign of how the pages are laid out. There's these views are 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:44.660 on both the state detail pages and also the national. 01:22:45.020 --> 01:22:51.820 So just to, and I still have both the uniform swing and independent states version 01:22:51.820 --> 01:22:57.720 of this, which basically, so they're now four probabilistic views to confuse everybody. 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:04.620 Because basically the independent states assumes that if there's an error in 01:23:04.620 --> 01:23:07.440 one state, it doesn't affect the errors in other states at all. 01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:11.060 They're all completely independent of each other, where basically the uniform 01:23:11.060 --> 01:23:17.660 swing says if the errors are underestimating the Republicans by 2% or whatever, 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:20.500 then that's the same in every state. 01:23:20.780 --> 01:23:27.200 But I honestly, I think the truth is closer to the uniform swing than it is 01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:34.580 to independent states, simply because the same pollsters are often doing polls in all the swing states. 01:23:34.580 --> 01:23:42.460 And so like if let's say if pollster A is tending to underestimate one party 01:23:42.460 --> 01:23:46.840 or the other and they do polls in all the swing states where they're well, 01:23:46.900 --> 01:23:49.640 they're likely to be making the same error in all the states. 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.680 So I think the states are probably more correlated than not. 01:23:52.860 --> 01:23:57.860 So just as an example, I'm only going to talk uniform swing right now. 01:23:58.100 --> 01:24:03.040 As of right now in the polls, and there are not a lot of state polls since the 01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:04.400 debate, for those of you asking. 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:07.420 So this is sort of a right before the debate scenario. 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:12.220 There have been a couple polls, but not really any that have changed things too much. 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:18.120 If the election was now, Biden's chances of winning 15%. 01:24:20.100 --> 01:24:24.400 Given the amount of time left before the election and current polling, 01:24:24.580 --> 01:24:28.760 based on the history, Biden's chances of winning 24%. 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:34.340 So basically, the bottom line is he's behind. He's been behind for a while. 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:40.200 His chances are not zero because there's plenty of time to turn things around yet. 01:24:40.460 --> 01:24:43.460 Well, better chances than you gave Trump in 2016. 01:24:45.150 --> 01:24:51.150 Yes. Yes. Well, I didn't give chances in 2016. I added that in 2020. 01:24:51.910 --> 01:24:55.850 Well, I believe that. Well, that's true. But I believe that you were asked the question. 01:24:55.970 --> 01:25:06.630 In 2016, I tracked other people's odds and the median of everybody giving odds was 14% for Trump. 01:25:06.830 --> 01:25:11.590 Unfortunately, you faithfully went like the week. It's very close to the election, 01:25:11.590 --> 01:25:17.090 like before at some point a friend of ours asked you and you you told us that 01:25:17.090 --> 01:25:22.330 there that there was like a 99 chance that hillary was going to win. 01:25:22.330 --> 01:25:24.250 Unfortunately you. 01:25:24.250 --> 01:25:25.290 Did say that. 01:25:25.290 --> 01:25:32.050 To kathy i do not believe i said 99 i did yeah and and also i believe that was 01:25:32.050 --> 01:25:38.010 a month out two weeks out at our two weeks out i was i was saying that we're 01:25:38.010 --> 01:25:43.890 in the cone if we if this was a hurricane we are in the cone of danger were my exact words. 01:25:44.490 --> 01:25:50.390 But anyway, the point is, 24% is not zero. 01:25:51.210 --> 01:25:55.770 24%, as you said, is better than the odds people gave Trump in 2016. 01:25:56.650 --> 01:25:59.210 However, it's not good. 01:26:01.790 --> 01:26:08.650 Well, let's say, we're not, listen, it's not, all I will say, 01:26:08.730 --> 01:26:14.610 all I will say is, is in almost every recent election after 2020, 01:26:14.810 --> 01:26:21.670 we've been positively surprised by the Democrat turnout. 01:26:21.910 --> 01:26:22.390 Yes. 01:26:22.450 --> 01:26:25.650 And it's turned into positive results. 01:26:26.110 --> 01:26:32.410 And so I know that it's still four months still to the election. 01:26:32.670 --> 01:26:38.910 So I'm optimistic that somehow, Somehow, especially because we have so much 01:26:38.910 --> 01:26:40.550 noise from a third party candidate. 01:26:40.990 --> 01:26:43.470 And one of the things, you know, 01:26:44.350 --> 01:26:48.970 We haven't had a third party candidate pulled as high since going back to, 01:26:48.970 --> 01:26:50.950 uh, what's his name? Peru, right? 01:26:51.110 --> 01:26:52.810 Peru. Peru. Yeah. 01:26:52.890 --> 01:26:58.530 So I really think that that's also adding a measure of, you know, 01:26:58.530 --> 01:27:00.730 of, of noise to all of this. 01:27:00.970 --> 01:27:05.510 Well, as I've said before, there are all kinds of reasons that you can come 01:27:05.510 --> 01:27:11.810 up with for why this time, maybe the polls are underestimating the Democrat, 01:27:11.950 --> 01:27:14.510 even though they haven't done that in the last couple of weeks. cycles. 01:27:15.050 --> 01:27:17.310 And some of those may turn out 01:27:17.310 --> 01:27:21.290 to be true, but the way I look at it is you have a, you have to be really. 01:27:21.290 --> 01:27:25.370 It's a stomach churning situation. Okay. You know, that's the reality. 01:27:25.570 --> 01:27:29.090 And I think that that plays into the freak out that we had this week. 01:27:29.170 --> 01:27:32.950 Well, let me, let me finish my statement. You just have to be really careful. 01:27:33.030 --> 01:27:38.230 I think about motivated reasoning that like you allow yourself to think about 01:27:38.230 --> 01:27:42.790 all the reasons the polls may be wrong, but not the reasons the polls may be right. 01:27:43.130 --> 01:27:47.930 And so I, the way I look at it is I'm going to take them at face value and I'm 01:27:47.930 --> 01:27:53.670 going to look at what historically has happened, which, and look, 01:27:53.790 --> 01:27:56.930 here's, and I also think it's healthier to think of that anyway. 01:27:57.030 --> 01:28:00.390 Like we're going to talk about Biden's interview and other stuff in a second. 01:28:00.750 --> 01:28:07.990 Like, I think there's a level of denial of the fact that yes, you are behind. 01:28:08.030 --> 01:28:14.350 That's not necessarily healthy that, because the way to, I think the way to 01:28:14.350 --> 01:28:18.190 play this is even if you are ahead, act like you're behind. 01:28:18.870 --> 01:28:24.590 I, I, I a hundred percent agree. That was my point. It doesn't, it doesn't matter. 01:28:24.870 --> 01:28:31.530 It should, it should be, don't, don't think, you know, you can't think, 01:28:31.610 --> 01:28:34.110 well, the polls are wrong and just not do anything. 01:28:34.210 --> 01:28:40.230 Now you gotta put, you know, you gotta to be all in on doing everything. 01:28:40.770 --> 01:28:45.970 I mean, think like you're completely behind. Look, it's kind of like the way 01:28:45.970 --> 01:28:49.870 I work in sales, which sometimes is a little bit like exhausting, 01:28:50.210 --> 01:28:55.750 which is, you know, I may have like last year, I was over a hundred percent 01:28:55.750 --> 01:29:00.470 of my plan and people didn't understand why the hell I was still killing myself, 01:29:00.750 --> 01:29:02.610 you know, chasing deals. 01:29:02.710 --> 01:29:10.010 And I'm like, listen, I, I, I, i could be at 130 i could be at 20 i'm going 01:29:10.010 --> 01:29:13.190 after everything like i've got nothing, 01:29:14.040 --> 01:29:17.500 Okay. Like I'm, I'm going after everything. 01:29:17.660 --> 01:29:22.140 Okay. You can't be complacent. There is no, there is no complacency, 01:29:22.160 --> 01:29:25.840 especially when the numbers aren't painting a rosy picture right now. 01:29:26.140 --> 01:29:30.920 Right. And, and, and, you know, I said there weren't very many Nash or sorry, 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.680 there weren't very many state level polls, 01:29:32.780 --> 01:29:37.320 which is what election graphs does since the, since the big debate, 01:29:37.400 --> 01:29:42.380 but there've been lots of national ones and the consents there, 01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:46.940 There's some are more, some are less, but the consensus seems to be on a national level. 01:29:47.240 --> 01:29:53.260 The polls have cost Biden or not the polls have cost the debate cost Biden two 01:29:53.260 --> 01:29:57.500 to 3% or so, uh, in terms of a margin. 01:29:57.860 --> 01:30:04.180 And he had just in the, like in the national poll averages right before the debate, 01:30:04.240 --> 01:30:08.760 he had just caught up with Donald Trump for the first time ever that the, 01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:13.120 the, the, the The averages at 538 and other places were showing Biden with a 01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:16.900 very, very slight lead for the first time since they started tracking them. 01:30:17.660 --> 01:30:19.980 And now he's back to being behind several percent. 01:30:21.240 --> 01:30:25.600 And so that's the immediate effect of the debate in terms of that. 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:35.900 Now, normally, I'd say, you know, the history of debates is that whatever effect 01:30:35.900 --> 01:30:39.180 they have one way or the other is almost always short term. 01:30:39.540 --> 01:30:42.240 Lasts a few weeks, and then you're back to where you were before. 01:30:43.260 --> 01:30:53.500 But the pile-on on Joe Biden has been incessant. There has been no let-up. 01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:59.780 Even after this interview today, there's more. 01:30:59.820 --> 01:31:03.400 By the way, the second one that he has done this week. Third. 01:31:03.420 --> 01:31:07.400 Third. There were at least two radio interviews, maybe more, 01:31:07.480 --> 01:31:12.560 before this one this week. since the debate before this big televised one. 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:19.340 But like, just to give you an example of like the pylon, I just saw this on 01:31:19.340 --> 01:31:22.900 Mastodon, like literally in the last three minutes. 01:31:23.540 --> 01:31:29.820 This is from a Jared White who's been watching ABC's new ABC's post interview 01:31:29.820 --> 01:31:35.640 coverage of how Joe Biden did at his big interview with George Stephanopoulos on Friday evening. 01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:39.680 ABC News has some expert on to comment on the interview. 01:31:39.860 --> 01:31:45.840 And she's saying that a good interview performance is actually a worst case 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:50.220 scenario for the Democrats because it simply prolongs the inevitable. 01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:59.160 This guy basically can't, you know, they have all made the decision that Joe Biden is Yeah. 01:31:59.940 --> 01:32:05.380 It's basically, Biden's interview went well here's why that's bad news for Biden. 01:32:08.010 --> 01:32:11.090 I mean, look. 01:32:12.490 --> 01:32:16.630 Yvonne has been sputtering and angry about this on the curmudgeon's course slack 01:32:16.630 --> 01:32:18.970 all week long. So let's let's go. 01:32:21.130 --> 01:32:22.330 He's speechless now. 01:32:23.010 --> 01:32:27.590 The Republic. Well, here's the reason why I'm speechless. You didn't talk about the actual interview. 01:32:27.830 --> 01:32:29.530 Yeah, let's let's do that real quick. 01:32:29.650 --> 01:32:32.890 All right. Which which you you you promise that you were going to give your 01:32:32.890 --> 01:32:35.310 thoughts about the interview, which I actually gave you a little bit. 01:32:35.310 --> 01:32:40.170 My thoughts about the interview as it happened because unfortunately sam due to certain issues. 01:32:40.630 --> 01:32:44.130 Oh i wanted to complain about this i'm sorry tangent yes. 01:32:44.130 --> 01:32:46.470 Well it's an important tangent i. 01:32:46.470 --> 01:32:50.150 Was all set up and ready to go to watch this damn interview because it's being 01:32:50.150 --> 01:32:54.370 it's being all it's been all hyped up all this week that oh joe biden's giving 01:32:54.370 --> 01:32:58.190 this big interview with george stephanopoulos and like this is where he's going 01:32:58.190 --> 01:33:02.530 to show that he's you know it was all an aberration and everything's fine. Right. 01:33:03.830 --> 01:33:07.090 I get everything turned on because this was going to be at 8 p.m. Eastern. 01:33:07.430 --> 01:33:07.830 Yeah. 01:33:07.890 --> 01:33:10.990 So that's 5 p.m. Pacific. I 01:33:10.990 --> 01:33:15.770 get all set up. It's like 445. I've got up the TV. I'm like, I put on ABC. 01:33:17.070 --> 01:33:22.410 Nothing. It's the local news. And they're talking about they give like a 10 01:33:22.410 --> 01:33:25.990 second clip of the interview and say they're going to have it'll be on at eight. 01:33:26.590 --> 01:33:28.610 And I'm like, what? 01:33:30.910 --> 01:33:37.410 So apparently, and I look at my, you know, like online guide thing and yeah, it's at eight. 01:33:37.470 --> 01:33:41.550 So there, look, the thing was not live anyway. 01:33:41.670 --> 01:33:48.130 It was recorded early in the afternoon, but it was being aired on the East coast in prime time at 8 PM. 01:33:48.270 --> 01:33:52.610 And apparently it was just being aired at 8 PM on Pacific too, 01:33:52.750 --> 01:33:54.470 which is three hours later. 01:33:55.190 --> 01:34:00.170 I'm like, this is not how you handle a big fucking news event. 01:34:00.170 --> 01:34:06.450 And I'm like, okay, well, surely they'll just have it on abcnews.com or on abc.com. 01:34:06.850 --> 01:34:13.010 No, no. Both of those places are like, no, dumbass. You're on the West Coast. 01:34:13.130 --> 01:34:14.430 You have to wait three hours. 01:34:15.330 --> 01:34:21.070 And I'm like, and look, I am sure, you know, Yvonne asked me if I had a VPN. 01:34:21.230 --> 01:34:26.310 I don't have one set up. I should have even tried just like, I don't know. 01:34:27.290 --> 01:34:31.270 I'm sure there are ways I could have fooled it. into giving me the East Coast feed. 01:34:31.850 --> 01:34:36.890 But I was just angry at this point. And it was only a 22-minute interview, 01:34:37.050 --> 01:34:41.390 so it was already halfway through the damn interview as I'm looking for this stuff. I'm like, 01:34:42.210 --> 01:34:47.650 Okay. I understand primetime interview on your broadcast channel. Fine. 01:34:47.850 --> 01:34:54.470 Put the damn thing at 8 PM local time, whatever, you know, but you, 01:34:54.610 --> 01:34:57.130 I shouldn't be able to go to the website and see it. 01:34:57.490 --> 01:35:01.170 I should be able to go to your stream. They're streaming news channel, 01:35:01.370 --> 01:35:07.870 ABC live news, or whatever the fuck streaming news, ABC channel was in my package. 01:35:08.070 --> 01:35:14.730 It was also three hours delayed. you delay a news channel three hours right 01:35:14.730 --> 01:35:27.470 what the fuck right no no yeah this is it's ridiculous what what freaking decade is this no yeah. 01:35:27.470 --> 01:35:30.050 Uh yeah i know so we solved the problem. 01:35:30.050 --> 01:35:35.430 I solved the problem yvonne facetimed me and like pointed his phone at his tv 01:35:35.430 --> 01:35:38.110 TV and then, and then rewound to show it. 01:35:38.490 --> 01:35:43.250 Well, well, no, no, I, I, no, no. Well, no, no. Well, I, first I did the phone. 01:35:43.330 --> 01:35:46.110 I realized that that was bad. So I actually took my webcam. 01:35:46.430 --> 01:35:47.150 Right. Right. 01:35:47.210 --> 01:35:50.310 And, and then, and then pointed it, then FaceTime you again, 01:35:50.370 --> 01:35:55.110 and then pointed it at my, my TV, which thankfully, because I do have that TiVo service. 01:35:55.430 --> 01:35:58.050 I like the other ones. I mean, I don't have to be watching. 01:35:58.210 --> 01:36:01.230 You can re yeah, you can rewind and blah, blah, blah. 01:36:01.450 --> 01:36:05.790 I don't have to be. and it has well the thing the great thing about it is that 01:36:05.790 --> 01:36:09.330 it has all the live channels they're always on a buffer you. 01:36:09.330 --> 01:36:12.470 Don't even have to be recording it right they're always yeah right. 01:36:12.470 --> 01:36:17.130 They're always buffered so i don't you know whatever any live channel i go to 01:36:17.130 --> 01:36:21.130 oh i missed the start of this boom go back whatever it shows so yeah. 01:36:21.130 --> 01:36:26.190 The the other thing sort of technically on the thing at first i i was like telling 01:36:26.190 --> 01:36:28.410 yvonne a few times i'm having trouble hearing 01:36:28.630 --> 01:36:33.410 and i was and he improved the microphone and it was a bit better but then i 01:36:33.410 --> 01:36:38.810 realized there were other people online comparing complaining about the audio quality as well i. 01:36:38.810 --> 01:36:40.410 Found the audio quality was fine. 01:36:40.410 --> 01:36:47.030 Well because i after we were off yvonne i i saw some live some some better clips 01:36:47.030 --> 01:36:53.010 of it and i still noticed the same problem there was a lot of background noise behind biden okay. 01:36:53.010 --> 01:36:57.330 Oh i did hear some background noise occasionally on the back it sounded like 01:36:57.330 --> 01:36:59.150 Like somebody dropped something, whatever, yeah. 01:36:59.870 --> 01:37:06.230 Well, no, it was just constant sort of buzzing background in a bunch of it. 01:37:06.270 --> 01:37:11.690 And so I heard some people online were saying, look, this is what probably happened 01:37:11.690 --> 01:37:18.210 is he wasn't speaking that loudly and they boosted the mic up to get him and 01:37:18.210 --> 01:37:20.610 it just got a lot more background noise and stuff like that. 01:37:20.730 --> 01:37:23.050 So the audio quality wasn't great. 01:37:23.210 --> 01:37:25.490 And if someone's speaking not that loud. 01:37:25.490 --> 01:37:27.270 I thought that they would have mic'd them up, though. 01:37:27.470 --> 01:37:29.410 Well, it looked like they were using a boom mic. 01:37:30.090 --> 01:37:31.950 I didn't see a laugh. 01:37:32.930 --> 01:37:37.210 Well, that's not the best. Yeah, that's not the best. Yeah, you're right. 01:37:37.290 --> 01:37:39.970 He didn't have a, he didn't clip a mic on him. 01:37:40.250 --> 01:37:45.890 Well, that was a poor choice of, I mean, boom mics are not, yeah. 01:37:46.990 --> 01:37:50.450 And the thing is that he was sitting back. Well, I think the problem is, 01:37:50.470 --> 01:37:54.250 as you have complained that I did, because Biden was sitting back, 01:37:54.330 --> 01:37:57.050 okay, with his legs crossed, okay? 01:37:57.050 --> 01:38:00.930 And if you've got a boom mic and it's in the middle over there, 01:38:01.010 --> 01:38:04.550 well, that's not exactly going to be great to pick up what the hell you're doing. 01:38:04.650 --> 01:38:07.590 So, yeah, they probably had to boost up the damn mic. 01:38:08.070 --> 01:38:13.190 Yeah, and so you'd think they would work all. I mean, it's a fucking national news network. 01:38:13.410 --> 01:38:16.870 Come on, figure that shit out. But whatever. 01:38:17.210 --> 01:38:22.290 I mean, I would have thought. I mean, I totally expected that he would have been mic'd up. 01:38:22.550 --> 01:38:26.870 But on my end, it sounded fine. I mean, I only occasionally heard a strain. I mean, I. 01:38:26.870 --> 01:38:31.510 Had the sort of double effect of like going through your webcam, too. 01:38:32.090 --> 01:38:38.090 But well, yeah, you had the effect. Yeah, that that that. But on on here on the TV, it sounded fine. 01:38:38.250 --> 01:38:44.230 I mean, when I watched real clips of it on on on replay after we watched it 01:38:44.230 --> 01:38:47.210 over FaceTime, it was a lot better. 01:38:47.270 --> 01:38:51.110 But there were still a few places where I was distracted and it was is a little 01:38:51.110 --> 01:38:54.650 hard to get them at some points. But anyway, the bottom line, 01:38:54.710 --> 01:38:59.430 I'll give you my impression since when we were watching it, I promised Yvonne 01:38:59.430 --> 01:39:00.810 I would save my impressions. 01:39:00.870 --> 01:39:02.170 He saved it for the show. 01:39:02.790 --> 01:39:09.890 He did fine, but I don't think fine is good enough given the scenario and the media pile on. 01:39:09.890 --> 01:39:18.990 Like he he did not tank this he did not do badly but like he i don't think this was, 01:39:20.330 --> 01:39:26.690 given the sharks that are circling i don't think this will make that go away 01:39:26.690 --> 01:39:32.610 by itself now the thing that i think that joe is doing that if he sticks to 01:39:32.610 --> 01:39:37.650 it everybody's just gonna to have to shut the fuck up is he's saying over and 01:39:37.650 --> 01:39:39.030 over again, I'm not going anywhere. 01:39:39.510 --> 01:39:39.910 Yeah. 01:39:39.990 --> 01:39:43.850 Fuck you all. I'm not going anywhere. Now, I wish he'd actually said, fuck you all. 01:39:44.210 --> 01:39:48.250 I really wish at some point that he would have said that. But he's had Fetterman 01:39:48.250 --> 01:39:49.910 has said it for him. Okay. 01:39:51.070 --> 01:39:55.150 Fetterman has said it for him. One of Stephanopoulos' questions was, 01:39:55.330 --> 01:39:59.670 there have been reports just in the last hour in in the New York times that 01:39:59.670 --> 01:40:05.370 Senator Warner is organizing a group of senators to come tell you to drop out. 01:40:05.470 --> 01:40:06.390 What do you think of that? 01:40:06.570 --> 01:40:11.310 And he was, and he, and he was like, well, nobody's told me anything yet. 01:40:12.500 --> 01:40:15.160 And I don't think they will. They will. They're not going to. 01:40:15.820 --> 01:40:19.780 That's the moment I really wanted him to say, fuck John Warner. You know? 01:40:20.440 --> 01:40:25.880 Yeah. Yeah. I was like, come on. Now, I will say that I saw two different versions 01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.200 of this story. Okay. All right. 01:40:28.280 --> 01:40:29.600 The Senator Warner story. 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:33.400 Yes. There is. I've seen two versions of that story. 01:40:33.580 --> 01:40:37.220 Okay. And I, and I point that out because especially because a lot of the coverage 01:40:37.220 --> 01:40:42.620 that has been And this week, to me and to many that have observed what's been 01:40:42.620 --> 01:40:46.540 going on in the last couple of decades with the news media, 01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:51.060 I mean, look, the GOP has for the last couple of years, number of years, 01:40:51.140 --> 01:40:55.240 been saying that Biden is mentally ill and competent. 01:40:55.240 --> 01:40:58.020 Same fucking thing that they did with hillary that she 01:40:58.020 --> 01:41:00.820 was ill that she had schizophrenia that she had 01:41:00.820 --> 01:41:03.820 whatever the fuck and then everybody started questioning her health because 01:41:03.820 --> 01:41:06.540 she passed out from the flu like during the 01:41:06.540 --> 01:41:09.240 during the campaign and stuff and they were saying that she 01:41:09.240 --> 01:41:12.060 was dying or whatever and they they created a fucking 01:41:12.060 --> 01:41:17.580 mega cycle of this shit during that campaign too and you know and it's the same 01:41:17.580 --> 01:41:22.560 thing that i'm i'm in this cycle where the gop and all All of this information 01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:26.440 machine going on out there that we know also includes a lot of bots and a lot 01:41:26.440 --> 01:41:27.760 of stuff and whatever has been 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:31.540 pushing the story about Biden being incompetent, Biden being whatever. 01:41:31.820 --> 01:41:36.800 And all the same stories are the same thing. Oh, my God, Biden was in a room with photographers. 01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:42.720 And I don't know. He wasn't effusive. And when he said hi, and I'm like, 01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:46.080 and then somebody made a joke about his age. 01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:52.080 And this was, by the way, the the evidence, the anonymous sourced evidence that 01:41:52.080 --> 01:41:54.900 cited his, you know, incompetent. 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.320 And I'm like, what the fuck? 01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:01.920 And and the thing that with the Warner story, I saw two versions. 01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:06.120 I saw one where it said that Warner was putting together a group of senators 01:42:06.120 --> 01:42:09.620 to go talk to Biden about what to do with the campaign. 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:15.060 Another news source said that they were going to go ask him to drop out. 01:42:15.180 --> 01:42:17.300 Now, those are two very different things. 01:42:17.820 --> 01:42:22.980 And I saw two, you know, respected. And I say that in quotes right now because 01:42:22.980 --> 01:42:25.880 some of the shit that I saw this week, news sources say it. 01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:30.720 And one of them categorically said it that differently. And so I was like, hmm. 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:43.220 You know, and and there's man this week was just the unnamed source, you know, a thon of, 01:42:43.540 --> 01:42:48.140 you know, all these anecdotes of, 01:42:48.460 --> 01:42:51.940 oh, Biden went and like went into a room and couldn't remember, 01:42:52.260 --> 01:42:54.380 confused this guy's name. 01:42:54.940 --> 01:43:00.820 And oh yeah and Biden went in this meeting and you know he miss you know miss 01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:04.280 said the name of the country that we're talking about and I'm like. 01:43:05.430 --> 01:43:09.030 And it goes back to the standard you were saying about this interview with that 01:43:09.030 --> 01:43:12.410 interview, calm down anybody where I'm just like, 01:43:12.510 --> 01:43:19.610 I don't listen that there is an entire group of Democrats that are petrified 01:43:19.610 --> 01:43:22.790 at what the polling polls say. Yeah. 01:43:22.890 --> 01:43:27.730 And there has been chum in the water having been laid by all of these people 01:43:27.730 --> 01:43:30.230 related to Biden's ability to run. 01:43:30.510 --> 01:43:33.890 And then he look, he fucked up the debate. 01:43:33.990 --> 01:43:37.890 OK, and that was his fuck up, which he, by the way, took ownership repeatedly 01:43:37.890 --> 01:43:41.730 on the interview and said, look, this is this is on on me. 01:43:41.870 --> 01:43:46.270 And it's a fuck up that he did. And, and I, you know, I was remembering there 01:43:46.270 --> 01:43:52.130 was, you know, there was one time that I, that I went for a speaking engagement 01:43:52.130 --> 01:43:54.090 that I was supposed to do. Okay. 01:43:54.490 --> 01:44:03.030 That I prepared like crazy. And so I thought, and man, I, oh my God, I fucked it up so bad. 01:44:03.750 --> 01:44:07.630 I mean, it was just, it was just a disaster. 01:44:08.310 --> 01:44:12.510 I mean, it was a disaster. master and and 01:44:12.510 --> 01:44:15.890 i've spoken like to meetings events 01:44:15.890 --> 01:44:18.730 conventions presentations so many times but 01:44:18.730 --> 01:44:21.990 fuck man you know there's one 01:44:21.990 --> 01:44:25.670 of those days were and i thought that i was prepared and i thought that i'm 01:44:25.670 --> 01:44:31.690 going in there and i'm this thing and i just went in there and just laid a massive 01:44:31.690 --> 01:44:39.830 turd I'm like you know you know and man you know. 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:44.240 I, you know, where we're talking about, he hasn't given interviews or whatever. 01:44:44.340 --> 01:44:49.380 I know he hasn't given press conferences, but he has given press conferences. I looked at the ratio. 01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:53.120 He's been, it's on the low end. This year hasn't done many, but he, 01:44:53.160 --> 01:44:57.300 you know, he's done close to like what some other presidents have done. 01:44:57.420 --> 01:45:00.440 It's not, it's at the low end of presidencies. 01:45:00.480 --> 01:45:01.840 But it's not the lowest. 01:45:02.160 --> 01:45:09.080 It's not the lowest. Okay. So that's one thing. And look, he has actively avoided 01:45:09.080 --> 01:45:11.960 a couple of publications for interviews because you know what? 01:45:12.040 --> 01:45:14.300 I think he's pissed at him and with good reason. 01:45:14.700 --> 01:45:18.280 Okay. For a number of reasons. So the New York times has been. 01:45:18.300 --> 01:45:22.180 I mean, yeah, a lot of people have been like the New York times has been going 01:45:22.180 --> 01:45:25.040 after him so much just because they're holding a grudge because he won't talk to them. 01:45:25.200 --> 01:45:28.680 That's right. Okay. Because there have been several stories that have reported 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:32.780 that the publisher or times is pissed that he has refused to grant them an interview. 01:45:32.900 --> 01:45:36.960 Okay. And so, you know, all of a sudden this thing happened. 01:45:37.180 --> 01:45:42.660 So many, let's be clear, more pundits freaked out. And it was just like, 01:45:42.820 --> 01:45:43.880 oh, it's a disaster. It's over. 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:49.080 And it became this entire feeding frenzy cycle where all of a sudden all these 01:45:49.080 --> 01:45:57.260 examples of anecdotes of him like, you know, I realized maybe I was more conscious this week. 01:45:57.360 --> 01:46:00.020 Let me play devil's advocate for just a second. Wait, wait, wait. 01:46:00.140 --> 01:46:03.120 No, no. You can play. Let me finish this part. pardon you can be but it was 01:46:03.120 --> 01:46:06.300 an advocate later and i was like this week and i'm 01:46:06.300 --> 01:46:09.460 like i'm realizing that i've got this one very important customer 01:46:09.460 --> 01:46:12.560 that i deal with okay it's really has been my largest customer 01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:16.460 the last 18 months okay i have been in meetings several times with all these 01:46:16.460 --> 01:46:19.860 people and i still keep saying the wrong names for the people that are at this 01:46:19.860 --> 01:46:23.900 fucking customer okay and i have been and i have been and not just that but 01:46:23.900 --> 01:46:28.820 there is a solution that we are selling and I keep fucking saying the wrong 01:46:28.820 --> 01:46:31.840 name for what the fuck it is that we're putting in. 01:46:32.180 --> 01:46:36.500 And every time I'm going and I'm like, oh, we're doing the stupid thing called. 01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:38.540 Oh, yeah, yeah, the thing. 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:40.780 Right, right, the thing. 01:46:42.160 --> 01:46:46.540 By the way, I called the guy. Shit. Look, actually, no, it wasn't on a call 01:46:46.540 --> 01:46:47.360 with the customer. Thank God. 01:46:47.440 --> 01:46:50.860 But I was on an internal call where they asked me what the name of the guy is 01:46:50.860 --> 01:46:53.160 of the customer. I gave the wrong name and somebody had to call. 01:46:53.260 --> 01:46:55.260 Oh, no. What's his name? Yeah, whatever. I'm like, oh, 01:46:56.280 --> 01:46:59.080 jesus christ i could not call this guy by the right name 01:46:59.080 --> 01:47:02.560 my life depended on it and and i'm 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:05.240 like you know look if this is a 01:47:05.240 --> 01:47:09.060 sign of i don't know what the fuck it's a sign of it's a sign of that i've been 01:47:09.060 --> 01:47:12.580 very bad with names and i've historically been very bad with names and and joe 01:47:12.580 --> 01:47:17.240 biden has been a gaffe machine his entire life and i mean shit derailed his 01:47:17.240 --> 01:47:20.780 shit like 35 40 i mean the first time i remember running for president which 01:47:20.780 --> 01:47:23.900 is against dugakis it completely derailed that bid. 01:47:24.060 --> 01:47:27.320 And so, I mean, he certainly hasn't improved with age. 01:47:27.620 --> 01:47:29.980 Right. So, you know, so that's. 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:33.940 So let, let me, let me play the devil's advocate here for a little bit. 01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:37.400 And I know people are like, you know, devil's advocates are hated for a reason. 01:47:37.740 --> 01:47:45.580 Um, but let, let's, let's assume that a lot of the elected officials who deal 01:47:45.580 --> 01:47:49.540 with Joe Biden have actually noticed 01:47:49.900 --> 01:47:53.320 explicitly a significant decline 01:47:53.320 --> 01:47:57.200 in his abilities since his presidency started and the 01:47:57.200 --> 01:48:06.300 reason that the panic is here is not like oh this debate happened and he did 01:48:06.300 --> 01:48:11.180 badly at the debate and maybe that's an indication of something else but instead 01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:13.900 it's a yeah we've known he's not 01:48:14.020 --> 01:48:17.940 been great for a long time, but we've been keeping it quiet. 01:48:18.100 --> 01:48:22.380 This is what the Olivia Newsy story essentially said, which was one of the ones 01:48:22.380 --> 01:48:24.400 with unnamed sources that you're mentioning. Right. 01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:29.240 But we've known he's been bad for a while, but we were hoping that this could 01:48:29.240 --> 01:48:32.440 all essentially be kept under wraps until after the election. 01:48:33.180 --> 01:48:38.840 And, but now it's all out in the open. And so now that's why we're panicking 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:41.660 because we, we actually know he's in bad shape. 01:48:41.780 --> 01:48:47.500 It's not Not just one bad debate. We know he really is in bad shape behind the 01:48:47.500 --> 01:48:49.560 scenes. And that's why we're panicking. 01:48:50.380 --> 01:48:52.580 And that's why they're driving this conversation now. 01:48:53.740 --> 01:49:02.020 I honestly, I mean, I know that that's what they're saying, but let me put it to you this way. 01:49:02.160 --> 01:49:08.540 It went with the shit that Trump had, you know, done when he with his inner circle. 01:49:08.900 --> 01:49:14.080 If, you know, Biden hasn't had a lot of turnover in his inner circle. 01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:19.480 OK, I mean, almost zero. I mean, who the hell has left the administration? administration. 01:49:19.480 --> 01:49:23.680 Well people have said even aside from his administration his actual core group 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.280 of advisors is apparently the same people have been with him for 30 years. 01:49:27.280 --> 01:49:30.100 Yeah so you know so none 01:49:30.100 --> 01:49:32.800 of those people are actually you know the source for this 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:35.660 stuff okay and that's part of the problem 01:49:35.660 --> 01:49:39.100 where because you know those guys are that loyal and 01:49:39.100 --> 01:49:41.860 the other guys around and haven't quit whoever the hell is 01:49:41.860 --> 01:49:44.760 sourcing this is not really getting direct 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:47.840 information which is why it seems on almost every story 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.580 it's so peripheral in terms of 01:49:50.580 --> 01:49:53.540 what they're referring to because i would expect 01:49:53.540 --> 01:49:56.760 for example that if he went to a meeting with a foreign dignitary and 01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:59.560 he really screwed the pooch okay man that 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:02.520 would that would come out hard to hide it you 01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:05.560 know if you're meeting with with a foreign dignitary 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:08.480 or something he's been meeting with a lot of those recently you 01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:11.620 know he was at the d-day event he was with salinski he 01:50:11.620 --> 01:50:14.160 was you know he's been on the phone that yahoo he's been been doing a whole 01:50:14.160 --> 01:50:19.220 bunch of this stuff and it hasn't come out from any of those folks and so i'm 01:50:19.220 --> 01:50:24.100 just you know what he's done a whole bunch of interviews that i've listed because 01:50:24.100 --> 01:50:27.360 you mentioned like about that when i was mentioning to you guys you spent over 01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:30.400 an hour with howard stern for example doing a fucking interview. 01:50:30.400 --> 01:50:32.980 For like a couple months ago right recently. 01:50:32.980 --> 01:50:36.820 Yeah a couple of months ago it was recently this was not two years ago it sounded 01:50:36.820 --> 01:50:42.460 perfectly fine pro publica one and published one unedited that he had like in the last year also. 01:50:42.660 --> 01:50:46.280 He also sounded perfectly fine. Sounded no different than from when he was on 01:50:46.280 --> 01:50:48.180 this interview today with Stephanopoulos. 01:50:48.810 --> 01:50:54.050 And so I hear all this from people. And honestly, it all sounds like it's a 01:50:54.050 --> 01:50:56.090 lot of people from like unnamed sources. 01:50:56.150 --> 01:51:00.610 And mostly for the most part, it seems to be sourced on the same bullshit that 01:51:00.610 --> 01:51:03.250 we've been hearing on the Internet from everybody, by the way, 01:51:03.290 --> 01:51:05.790 from the fucking GOP that have been the people pushing this. 01:51:05.890 --> 01:51:11.630 And I I just think that everybody just because they are so afraid that Trump 01:51:11.630 --> 01:51:16.910 will win, that that was the panic. And but like I said, you know, 01:51:16.910 --> 01:51:18.950 I said last week, I'll say it again. 01:51:19.510 --> 01:51:23.290 No smart decisions come from fucking fear. OK. 01:51:23.570 --> 01:51:29.070 And what's happened this week has been with so many people, such a ridiculous 01:51:29.070 --> 01:51:35.790 fear freak out of fearing Trump that it's it's like indicates even like, 01:51:35.870 --> 01:51:39.330 for example, one thing that was some I know I did part of it. 01:51:39.330 --> 01:51:42.290 A number of people have done that if you read the transcript of 01:51:42.290 --> 01:51:45.010 the fucking debate instead of actually you know 01:51:45.010 --> 01:51:48.570 how he sounded that he sounded awful okay it it 01:51:48.570 --> 01:51:53.390 wasn't an incoherent bunch of drivel okay as many people are trying to make 01:51:53.390 --> 01:51:58.470 it be he did sound bad but you know he wasn't up there like some doddering fool 01:51:58.470 --> 01:52:04.550 just you know saying bunch of nonsense right it's just that it's just Just that 01:52:04.550 --> 01:52:05.590 the presentation was awful. 01:52:05.710 --> 01:52:08.850 And by the way, presentation is important. Yeah. 01:52:08.870 --> 01:52:09.010 Okay. 01:52:09.370 --> 01:52:15.630 Unfortunately, which I have said on the Slack and I was pissed off that unfortunately 01:52:15.630 --> 01:52:20.650 his inner circle, they fucked up with him because they should have understood that. 01:52:21.850 --> 01:52:29.310 Well, on the interview today, he talked about how exhausted he was and how when the doctor. 01:52:29.330 --> 01:52:34.690 Man, I can't imagine how the fuck would he not. Listen, I I I think about the 01:52:34.690 --> 01:52:36.930 schedule that he holds, Sam. 01:52:37.130 --> 01:52:42.950 Fuck. I've done those like executive like trips like that where there is a calendar 01:52:42.950 --> 01:52:47.130 that's packed one behind the other with public meetings and shit and whatnot. 01:52:47.310 --> 01:52:50.570 Not as often as Biden has to do it. man i 01:52:50.570 --> 01:52:53.930 wound up from doing one of those like two months ago okay 01:52:53.930 --> 01:53:00.690 i was so fucking exhausted by the end of it i was just i i i was getting to 01:53:00.690 --> 01:53:06.730 the hotel room and i am like i i'm like how the fucking you know i was i was 01:53:06.730 --> 01:53:11.030 literally thinking about this i don't know how he does it i mean now i well. 01:53:11.030 --> 01:53:16.410 And and but again this this gets back to you saying you know his staff fucked him to a 01:53:16.490 --> 01:53:20.650 degree well he says he did he didn't trust his own instincts on this stuff as 01:53:20.650 --> 01:53:25.290 well but like the bottom line you knew the debate was coming clear the calendar 01:53:25.290 --> 01:53:28.370 from as much as you fucking can for like a while before it. 01:53:28.370 --> 01:53:32.870 They should have well fuck well wait wait wait why the fuck did they schedule 01:53:32.870 --> 01:53:36.990 it that day they knew they had the d-day shit they knew they had the other stuff 01:53:36.990 --> 01:53:42.790 the week before what the fuck are you piling this into that there you need to have cleared yeah i. 01:53:42.790 --> 01:53:45.470 Mean they agreed they They agreed to the date that whatever. 01:53:45.730 --> 01:53:49.090 And I mean, you can't clear a president's calendar entirely. They've got a busy. 01:53:49.170 --> 01:53:52.930 But you didn't have to have a fucking trip to Europe and whatever the fuck and 01:53:52.930 --> 01:53:53.930 all this other shit before. 01:53:54.470 --> 01:54:00.110 Although people have pointed out, it was a number of days after he got back from that trip. 01:54:00.430 --> 01:54:04.110 But, but wait, there are a couple of things. One, two, 01:54:04.900 --> 01:54:08.480 Yeah, he got back from Europe, but he made a couple of trips back and forth to the West Coast. 01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:09.340 The West Coast. 01:54:09.620 --> 01:54:10.860 B, he was sick. 01:54:11.700 --> 01:54:12.500 And sick. 01:54:13.380 --> 01:54:19.500 You know, so, yeah, I mean, it was badly handled. But, like, here's the other thing. 01:54:20.060 --> 01:54:24.600 And I know we talked last week, so we won't rehash this. Like, 01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:27.860 if something happens to Joe, you still got Kamala, right? 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:32.240 Well, that's why I'm like, this is the whole thing that I understand the Democratic 01:54:32.240 --> 01:54:34.880 freakout. out i'm like listen the vp can. 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:36.620 You're buying the team you're. 01:54:36.620 --> 01:54:41.080 Buying the team so what i mean i'm like what's the fucking concern. 01:54:41.080 --> 01:54:49.060 Well and i i wanted to point out i saw a clip on tip on tip top on tip top tip top tip top it's. 01:54:49.060 --> 01:54:50.480 A new app we should start that app. 01:54:50.480 --> 01:54:55.960 We should start that one right away yes anyway i saw a clip on tick tock of 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.760 piers morgan who's a british interviewer guy guy. 01:54:58.940 --> 01:54:59.460 Asshole. 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:03.660 Yeah. Complete asshole. But he was talking to some guy and I unfortunately don't 01:55:03.660 --> 01:55:05.300 know the person he was talking to. 01:55:05.320 --> 01:55:10.040 He was talking to an American and he was asking the American about Joe Biden. 01:55:10.380 --> 01:55:14.120 And the guy was like, look, I don't care. 01:55:14.380 --> 01:55:21.740 Like Jill Biden could, could wheel him out in like a coma. I'm still voting for Joe Biden over. 01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:27.320 And then like he went further, he said, But Jill Biden could come out holding 01:55:27.320 --> 01:55:31.540 an urn with Joe Biden's ashes and I'd still vote for him. 01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:40.080 Exactly. I mean, I don't understand. You know, what the hell are we talking about here? 01:55:41.040 --> 01:55:50.400 You know, yes. Yes. And because Kamala is there, and again, I know the whole 01:55:50.400 --> 01:55:55.100 right-wing ecosystem would sort of love to just go after Kamala as well. 01:55:55.140 --> 01:55:59.340 They've already started a few tentative things against her in the last week, just in case. 01:56:00.610 --> 01:56:04.410 Because they think she's going to be weaker or whatever. 01:56:04.990 --> 01:56:11.590 By the way, I didn't mention on election graphs, you can flip over to see Harris versus Trump. 01:56:11.810 --> 01:56:17.310 At the moment, she is doing better than Joe Biden in my probabilistic averages. 01:56:17.750 --> 01:56:24.110 But big caveat, there were never a lot of state polls on her. 01:56:24.230 --> 01:56:26.790 And all of the data there is really, really old. 01:56:27.430 --> 01:56:32.050 Because the primaries have been over for a while. And there wasn't enough to 01:56:32.050 --> 01:56:33.530 have a good picture of her anyway. 01:56:33.870 --> 01:56:38.610 So like, you know, there have been a handful of national polls that basically 01:56:38.610 --> 01:56:41.050 hold her doing about the same as Biden. 01:56:41.110 --> 01:56:45.530 But by the way, let me read some of the health stories about Hillary that we forget. 01:56:45.670 --> 01:56:46.410 Yes. Yes. 01:56:46.450 --> 01:56:51.490 OK. Carl Rove helped plant. This is a CNN story. Carl Rove helped plant the seeds in 2014. 01:56:52.330 --> 01:56:55.970 You know, he said suggesting Clinton had suffered brain damage in 2012. 01:56:56.810 --> 01:57:02.030 OK. OK, you also can see that, you know, and it said that she allegedly had seizures. 01:57:02.430 --> 01:57:06.190 The rumor that traveled the remarkable spleen through the pipeline connecting 01:57:06.190 --> 01:57:09.430 small conservatives or right wings that she was having seizures, 01:57:09.630 --> 01:57:14.610 a stroke that she I mean, this is, you know, and then the fall. 01:57:14.870 --> 01:57:18.110 OK, and then there was a syringe with fake medical records. 01:57:18.510 --> 01:57:22.950 It's the same fucking horse shit. OK, textbook, you know. 01:57:23.010 --> 01:57:27.190 Look today, today, right before we came on the show. 01:57:27.290 --> 01:57:33.630 Oh, Senator Mike Lee was spreading rumors about a medical emergency involving 01:57:33.630 --> 01:57:35.490 Joe Biden on Air Force One. 01:57:35.550 --> 01:57:35.950 Air Force One! 01:57:36.390 --> 01:57:41.530 Completely not true. By the time he even tweeted that, Joe Biden was already 01:57:41.530 --> 01:57:43.190 at home. He was already at home. 01:57:44.330 --> 01:57:50.110 But this is the shit that we're talking about. This level of shit, Sam. 01:57:50.370 --> 01:57:53.670 And what I found, and I'm going to tell you, look. 01:57:54.330 --> 01:57:57.670 I'm sorry, but almost everybody in the media fell into a fucking, 01:57:57.710 --> 01:58:02.370 you know, fucking tornado with all this fucking Biden shit. You know why? 01:58:02.730 --> 01:58:07.370 The Washington Post is losing money. CNN is losing viewers. All these fucking people. 01:58:07.490 --> 01:58:10.750 And it's and they were like, no, no, no. But we're not trying to get Trump to 01:58:10.750 --> 01:58:13.170 win. No, no, no. It's not that you're intentionally doing drama. 01:58:14.190 --> 01:58:14.670 Drama. 01:58:14.670 --> 01:58:17.850 You exactly. You want clicks. You want drama. 01:58:18.070 --> 01:58:22.830 And this thing gets clicks. And so that's why you're just like fucking like 01:58:22.830 --> 01:58:25.470 sharks to chum where, oh, there's this there. 01:58:25.670 --> 01:58:32.490 So let's just, you know what, make make a thousand articles that are super poorly sourced. 01:58:32.510 --> 01:58:36.010 Because by the way, right now, nobody gives a shit about this anymore. more. 01:58:36.010 --> 01:58:40.810 Well let's talk about like some of the pilot first of all the media like you 01:58:40.810 --> 01:58:47.630 said every single media outlet has been all over this non-stop it's drowned out everything else. 01:58:47.630 --> 01:58:53.270 I mean the new york times editorial board went like two days afterward calling 01:58:53.270 --> 01:58:57.410 you know but made fucking i mean they're a joke right now to me they have turned 01:58:57.410 --> 01:59:00.970 themselves into a joke calling for biden to withdraw why the fuck didn't they 01:59:00.970 --> 01:59:04.850 call for trump to withdraw you know make the same fucking thing when trump Trump 01:59:04.850 --> 01:59:05.950 was convicted of a felony. 01:59:06.580 --> 01:59:10.840 Right. Well, because everyone expects that of Trump, right? Right! 01:59:12.160 --> 01:59:12.680 Yeah. 01:59:13.100 --> 01:59:19.360 But look, you have all the media pylon, and some of the things reported in the 01:59:19.360 --> 01:59:20.720 media as part of that pylon. 01:59:21.140 --> 01:59:26.240 We mentioned the senators potentially meeting. We just had a report within the 01:59:26.240 --> 01:59:30.300 last couple hours that Hakeem Jeffords is also meeting with a bunch of House 01:59:30.300 --> 01:59:32.940 leadership about what to do about the scenario. 01:59:32.940 --> 01:59:37.020 Yeah, what to do, Hakeem? Go in there, beat the shit out of all of them right 01:59:37.020 --> 01:59:38.640 now is the first move that you need to do. 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:45.640 We've got stories about donors going on a pause until Joe Biden drops out to 01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:48.240 try to exert financial pressure for him to leave. 01:59:48.460 --> 01:59:53.580 Apparently, one of the headliners there is Abigail Disney, heir to the Walt 01:59:53.580 --> 02:00:00.520 Disney fortune, as one of the people who's like, you know, I'm a big Democratic donor. 02:00:00.520 --> 02:00:05.680 I'm not going to donate any more until Joe's out because we have to do something in order to win. 02:00:05.900 --> 02:00:11.020 And so there are a bunch of these things, which is where, and so a lot of people 02:00:11.020 --> 02:00:13.360 continuing more conversations about, 02:00:13.480 --> 02:00:17.720 well, what are the right people that can go to Joe Biden and tell him the hard 02:00:17.720 --> 02:00:25.220 truth and make him, you know, make him go home so that we can get on with getting somebody else. 02:00:25.400 --> 02:00:33.780 And that's why I said earlier, first of all, I mentioned there's potentially 02:00:33.780 --> 02:00:37.940 a two to three point damage to Biden based on this. 02:00:38.080 --> 02:00:40.520 And people have said, well, two to three points, not that much. 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:44.960 People have also pointed out though, that it seems like the window in which 02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:49.960 people are able to trade votes back and forth is actually pretty narrow right now. 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:58.560 So 2% is kind of a lot, but, but also that 2%, like I, 02:00:58.660 --> 02:01:05.680 that two to 3%, I feel like the debate itself probably had very little effect. 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:09.660 What's having an effect is the goddamn pylon. Yes. 02:01:09.680 --> 02:01:12.500 What is having an effect is the pylon because the debate itself, 02:01:12.680 --> 02:01:16.760 look, my wife, for example, she, she, I mean, she's not disengaged, 02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:19.540 but she's not, she's not like us. Okay. 02:01:19.960 --> 02:01:23.200 You know what she watched the debate okay and objectively 02:01:23.200 --> 02:01:25.980 and she not she hasn't been really you know 02:01:25.980 --> 02:01:29.080 she was like following like all these stories about biden this 02:01:29.080 --> 02:01:31.800 age and whatever and you know what her impression was like well 02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:36.220 she said look simple biden sounded tired okay all right and she heard him today 02:01:36.220 --> 02:01:39.480 and then remarked like geez he sounds a lot better because he sounded tired 02:01:39.480 --> 02:01:42.340 the other day but that's the only thing he didn't say he hasn't seen i was he 02:01:42.340 --> 02:01:47.340 said it sounded tired okay and he sounded sick okay but that oh my god that 02:01:47.340 --> 02:01:50.500 it was like She listened to Trump for two seconds, and it's like, wow, 02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.060 all these sputtering lies. Who the fuck can believe this shit? 02:01:53.580 --> 02:01:59.860 That was the impression from like, and she's not following this as we are on every day. 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.780 I heard other people that unfortunately, you know. 02:02:04.040 --> 02:02:07.580 Their opinions were based more on the form function. Well, well, 02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:11.800 he sounded like, you know, a super old and I'm like, well, yeah, 02:02:12.540 --> 02:02:15.600 it was more to sound more than the content, but right. 02:02:15.680 --> 02:02:22.940 But I really don't, you know, once again, are these debates who watch who watches those debates? 02:02:23.060 --> 02:02:26.120 You would like, because we had a lot less viewers in this debate that we had 02:02:26.120 --> 02:02:28.060 on the last one that we had in 2020. 02:02:28.980 --> 02:02:32.600 That's, that's true. Now, here's the thing though, with, in terms of how this 02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:34.080 plays out, and then we should wrap this up. 02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:37.620 Like, we are again at the point where people are talking about, 02:02:37.700 --> 02:02:41.000 well, I don't think this interview stemmed all the concerns. 02:02:41.540 --> 02:02:44.200 Oh yeah, I've been listening to those people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:02:44.680 --> 02:02:46.640 You know, he didn't like, I don't know. 02:02:46.820 --> 02:02:51.000 He didn't solve, you know, quadratic equations live. 02:02:52.340 --> 02:02:55.980 Well, and people are saying that, you know, they talk in their, 02:02:56.120 --> 02:03:00.620 the reporters are all saying, in my conversations with Democrats behind the 02:03:00.620 --> 02:03:05.480 scenes off the record, They're still very concerned, blah, blah, blah. Here's the thing. 02:03:05.780 --> 02:03:11.760 It though, again, the only realistic way for the nominee not to be Joe Biden 02:03:11.760 --> 02:03:17.120 is if Joe, if Joe Biden himself says, I'm out. Right. 02:03:17.200 --> 02:03:23.880 His statements that are like, I'm in, I'm not going anywhere. I am running. 02:03:24.100 --> 02:03:29.880 I am not leaving, have gotten stronger and stronger over the last 24 to 48 hours. 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:34.460 And if he keeps that up, then frankly, 02:03:34.620 --> 02:03:42.540 like everybody else who's trying to figure out how to pressure him to drop out at some point, 02:03:42.660 --> 02:03:45.260 they've got to realize they are causing 02:03:45.260 --> 02:03:50.420 more damage without any chance of actually getting him to drop out. 02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:53.760 And they are only hurting the cause. Yes. 02:03:54.430 --> 02:04:00.190 And so they need to shut the fuck up and, you know, sorry, you may not like 02:04:00.190 --> 02:04:01.990 it, but this is the candidate you've got. 02:04:02.410 --> 02:04:07.010 So you are either helping him or hurting him. And right now you are hurting him. 02:04:07.430 --> 02:04:13.070 Look on on, you know, when he landed Biden today, I don't know where he was 02:04:13.070 --> 02:04:16.430 that he came to some reporters and they asked him about, you know, 02:04:16.430 --> 02:04:20.270 they threw him some questions, you know, and he was he was bantering with with 02:04:20.270 --> 02:04:21.470 with the reporters also. 02:04:21.470 --> 02:04:24.590 So he's doing this, which I think is helpful, by the way, also. 02:04:25.210 --> 02:04:28.170 Yes. He needs to do this all the time, every day. 02:04:28.590 --> 02:04:31.970 He needs to be doing this more often. Even if he makes a gaffe or says something 02:04:31.970 --> 02:04:34.750 wrong, it's better to do this than to avoid it. Okay? 02:04:35.330 --> 02:04:38.170 Yeah. They've been hiding him away, and that's part of the problem. 02:04:38.590 --> 02:04:43.930 I mean, again, unless all the stuff is true and he's just got bad days and good 02:04:43.930 --> 02:04:45.790 days, but his bad days are really bad, you know? 02:04:46.330 --> 02:04:51.270 No, they may not. I'm 100% convinced. Look, I'm totally convinced that his staffers are hiding. 02:04:51.470 --> 02:04:55.730 Because of what we know from Biden, because he's done this his whole life. 02:04:57.110 --> 02:05:01.290 Like you said, that circle of staffers has been around him for 30 years for 02:05:01.290 --> 02:05:04.050 a reason, because they know Biden's strengths and weaknesses. 02:05:05.010 --> 02:05:09.670 But he went and he was like, he threw out of the slide saying, 02:05:09.870 --> 02:05:14.210 you know what, hell, you all were wrong in 2020. 02:05:14.630 --> 02:05:15.930 You all were wrong in 2012. 02:05:16.390 --> 02:05:18.830 You all were wrong about me. You're going to be wrong again. 02:05:18.830 --> 02:05:25.310 Had just walked away which i that was a great 2022 22 well you know my my you 02:05:25.310 --> 02:05:27.490 know whatever one of those years again. 02:05:27.490 --> 02:05:30.590 Your your biden-esque intellect is showing. 02:05:30.590 --> 02:05:36.770 You need to talk to my boss okay you know because i i i might need to step away from my duties. 02:05:36.770 --> 02:05:45.650 Yeah exactly yeah yeah you're done you're clearly you're clint you're mentally fried the senility is. 02:05:45.650 --> 02:05:51.430 I'm done i'm clearly i I clearly need a neurological exam. 02:05:52.090 --> 02:05:52.610 You do. 02:05:52.850 --> 02:05:56.050 By the way, which, you know, the whole question, like, Stephanopoulos asked 02:05:56.050 --> 02:05:57.050 this question more than it was. 02:05:57.710 --> 02:06:02.110 And actually, Biden did answer it. I wish he would have been a little bit more forceful around it. 02:06:02.130 --> 02:06:06.010 I'm like, listen, you don't go to a neurologist to get a workup unless your 02:06:06.010 --> 02:06:07.990 general doctor says that you have a problem. 02:06:08.070 --> 02:06:11.710 He can't diagnose it. Then you go to that for a workup. That's not something 02:06:11.710 --> 02:06:15.790 that's a normal fucking, like, thing. You know, if you're going to GP. 02:06:15.790 --> 02:06:19.870 Donald Trump should not be like going, I passed it. I passed it. 02:06:19.910 --> 02:06:21.530 Most people don't pass it. 02:06:21.590 --> 02:06:25.890 No, most people don't have to pass it because the only reason you get that test 02:06:25.890 --> 02:06:27.850 is because people really are questioning your sanity. 02:06:29.250 --> 02:06:34.150 And oh, by the way, nobody mentioned also, you know, that Trump got offered 02:06:34.150 --> 02:06:37.850 equal time by ABC and he declined it. 02:06:37.950 --> 02:06:38.430 Yes. 02:06:38.770 --> 02:06:39.730 I'm surprised. 02:06:41.330 --> 02:06:46.070 Well, he, I think he's actually following advice right now for the most part. 02:06:46.150 --> 02:06:49.510 And there've been a few exceptions, but like, this is your standard. 02:06:49.990 --> 02:06:56.010 If your opponent is hurting themselves, just step out of the way. Like if, you know. 02:06:56.010 --> 02:06:59.830 But he's not, he's, but he never listens to that advice. He likes the attention. 02:07:00.330 --> 02:07:03.330 I'm surprised. I mean, we're going to give him like 20 minutes in prime time. 02:07:03.590 --> 02:07:08.250 I mean, so far, like there was that one clip of him on the golf cart that leaked out. 02:07:08.290 --> 02:07:13.030 But like he is for the most part for the last eight days since the debate, 02:07:13.130 --> 02:07:14.450 he has kept his ass quiet. 02:07:14.890 --> 02:07:19.910 No. Yeah, I know. He said, no, no, no. Well, here, listen, that's not good. 02:07:20.270 --> 02:07:26.530 OK, I will say that because in the past, when Trump has shut up. 02:07:26.570 --> 02:07:28.410 That's when he does the best. Yeah. 02:07:28.750 --> 02:07:31.770 Yeah, that's right. That's what his poll numbers do the best. 02:07:31.910 --> 02:07:34.310 So that's not good news. No, it's not. 02:07:34.450 --> 02:07:42.190 Like, like big part of his win in 2016 was Manafort or whoever took. 02:07:42.190 --> 02:07:42.990 Away his phone. 02:07:43.170 --> 02:07:46.510 Took away his phone and got him to shut the fuck up for a couple of weeks. 02:07:46.510 --> 02:07:46.970 Right. 02:07:47.090 --> 02:07:51.630 For the last couple of weeks before the election, got him to basically behave himself. 02:07:51.910 --> 02:07:57.590 You know, I will say that I think that he is shut up now for a little bit. But look, this guy. 02:07:57.810 --> 02:07:59.250 He can't sustain it. 02:07:59.530 --> 02:08:00.890 Exactly. No, there's no way. 02:08:01.070 --> 02:08:06.910 Well, he's got the damn convention coming up. Oh, oh, oh, we we we completely 02:08:06.910 --> 02:08:11.610 neglected when we were talking about immunity that it is, in fact, 02:08:11.610 --> 02:08:12.990 affected the New York case. 02:08:13.130 --> 02:08:17.290 Because last week you were talking about, oh, don't worry, he's got the sentencing coming up. Nope. 02:08:17.690 --> 02:08:21.010 Sentencing now pushed back to at least September, probably actually further 02:08:21.010 --> 02:08:24.230 because there'll be appeals and stuff. And no, no, no. 02:08:24.290 --> 02:08:27.130 No, no, no, no. The sentencing will happen. but they'll appeal the sentence. 02:08:27.530 --> 02:08:29.210 No, no, no, they will. 02:08:29.430 --> 02:08:31.430 Oh, they'll appeal the immunity decision. 02:08:31.730 --> 02:08:32.210 Yes. 02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:39.260 Because somehow, well, even though there doesn't seem to be much of a reason 02:08:39.260 --> 02:08:46.440 why this should be, well, I do think, I understand why the judge is doing it. 02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:51.980 Well, we don't have to dig into it. The point was that event is not happening. 02:08:52.340 --> 02:08:57.580 Yeah. Well, the point is that Trump decided to challenge the sentence based 02:08:57.580 --> 02:09:02.760 on the immunity decision. And the judge, instead of just dismissing it out of 02:09:02.760 --> 02:09:05.620 hand, said, okay, fine, send in the briefs, we'll evaluate. 02:09:06.020 --> 02:09:13.020 And I think that the reason why he's doing it is because, since we all know he's going to appeal, 02:09:13.320 --> 02:09:21.940 if he didn't consider it, then that would make it even a basis for an appeal. and so on. 02:09:22.660 --> 02:09:26.500 Yep. Yep. Yep. No, I, I, I think that I, 02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:30.760 I, I will predict right now we will not have a sentencing in the New York case 02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:33.180 before the election because the, 02:09:33.280 --> 02:09:38.240 you know, they'll make a decision on the, on the immunity issue at the beginning 02:09:38.240 --> 02:09:43.040 of September, Trump will immediately appeal if he loses and that'll push they'll. 02:09:43.140 --> 02:09:46.400 And then that'll go, that has to go through the New New York appeals, 02:09:46.500 --> 02:09:51.140 and then after the New York appeals are over, then he can repeal it to SCOTUS. 02:09:51.420 --> 02:09:53.940 Add all that in, you're next year. 02:09:53.980 --> 02:09:56.740 Well, the good news is that he can't stop that process. Okay? 02:09:57.280 --> 02:10:01.260 So he would have to be defending, even if he would, he would have to be defending 02:10:01.260 --> 02:10:04.760 himself from criminal charges in New York, even as president. 02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:12.480 Yes. And, and, and also, well, they might, I could see it getting paused until 02:10:12.480 --> 02:10:19.440 he's no longer in office, but, and also he is also put in earlier today. 02:10:19.860 --> 02:10:25.980 He filed with judge cannon in Florida to also do things with that case because of the immunity rule. 02:10:25.980 --> 02:10:26.440 Right. 02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:33.380 So anyway, and we don't have to get into details of those, but just to sum out and then be done, 02:10:33.500 --> 02:10:40.740 I think we are at the point where there will be still, I think the amount of 02:10:40.740 --> 02:10:45.280 pressure on Biden to get out is still going to increase for a little while longer. 02:10:45.280 --> 02:10:47.460 I don't think this interview will stop at cold. 02:10:47.700 --> 02:10:52.920 I think these things you're having play out with people in Congress and with 02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:58.220 donors and with the media are still going to spiral for a little bit longer. 02:10:58.220 --> 02:11:05.080 And the question is, as long though as nothing else big, 02:11:05.280 --> 02:11:13.740 bad happens with Biden having a really bad incident of the same level as the 02:11:13.740 --> 02:11:16.380 debate or worse, or some sort of physical problem, 02:11:16.540 --> 02:11:19.640 absent something like that, if he just sticks it through and says, 02:11:19.700 --> 02:11:23.780 no, I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, Then this stuff has 02:11:23.780 --> 02:11:26.360 to start dissipating after a couple more weeks. 02:11:26.580 --> 02:11:30.040 It just, they have to back off at some point. 02:11:30.080 --> 02:11:34.560 Now, if there is another incident, all bets are off again, you know, 02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:37.260 off to the races. It happens all over again. 02:11:37.700 --> 02:11:44.040 Now, how Joe Biden actually does between now and November, completely different question. 02:11:45.100 --> 02:11:50.580 But there we are. And like, if we do get a scenario where he does drop out, 02:11:50.620 --> 02:11:51.640 we can talk more about it. 02:11:51.640 --> 02:11:56.460 That point, but like right now he and everyone around him are adamant that the 02:11:56.460 --> 02:12:01.040 answer is no, he is not dropping out. He is running the end. 02:12:01.560 --> 02:12:05.480 And as long as he sticks to that and is strong about it, they can't make him. 02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:09.820 And so the question is, how long do they keep damaging him before they give up? 02:12:10.770 --> 02:12:11.030 Yeah. 02:12:12.070 --> 02:12:13.270 Okay. We're done. 02:12:13.930 --> 02:12:15.610 All right. We're done. 02:12:16.070 --> 02:12:20.270 Thank you everybody for joining us at curmudgeon's corner. 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I mean, a good story. 02:13:49.870 --> 02:13:51.250 I mean, I have to look to. 02:13:51.310 --> 02:13:55.310 You know, I actually already scrolled through it and I'm not convinced. 02:13:55.370 --> 02:14:00.090 Well, there was the the only the only funny there's two funny clips that I don't 02:14:00.090 --> 02:14:03.610 know if I mentioned the last last week and maybe I didn't. 02:14:03.810 --> 02:14:09.730 But there was in in Japan, a candidate in the Tokyo gubernatorial race. 02:14:10.190 --> 02:14:13.590 You see, we didn't have this happen in the debate. Now, this would have been something. 02:14:13.670 --> 02:14:19.070 OK, yeah. But Uchino Airi, a candidate in the Tokyo gubernatorial race, 02:14:19.190 --> 02:14:23.130 stripped down during her official public television speech, asking viewers that 02:14:23.130 --> 02:14:24.030 they thought she was sexy. 02:14:24.170 --> 02:14:29.470 She asked them to add her as a friend on messaging app line and pledged to respond to everyone. 02:14:29.750 --> 02:14:31.890 And we didn't get that at the debate. 02:14:32.370 --> 02:14:35.090 Which one did you want to strip, Yvonne, Biden or Trump? 02:14:37.530 --> 02:14:42.490 Neither. But I mean, I mean, if I mean, that would have that would have definitely changed. 02:14:42.490 --> 02:14:47.090 I mean, listen, I will say this, that Biden given how badly he was doing, 02:14:47.190 --> 02:14:52.690 if he decided to strip down and ask for votes, that probably would have gotten a lot more attention. 02:14:53.430 --> 02:14:57.410 Should we just decide the election through a mud wrestling match between the two of them? 02:14:57.890 --> 02:15:02.870 I think that would be something. I mean, that's an interesting option. 02:15:03.290 --> 02:15:06.530 You know, I don't know what other things that we could do. 02:15:06.670 --> 02:15:13.450 You know, I mean, a mud wrestling, perhaps arm wrestling. sampling you know how. 02:15:13.450 --> 02:15:15.730 About a good old-fashioned hamilton style duel. 02:15:15.730 --> 02:15:18.430 Well you know i was thinking instead of a 02:15:18.430 --> 02:15:21.630 duel have you seen that there is this i i think we've 02:15:21.630 --> 02:15:27.150 talked about this on the show that there is this like slap league where people 02:15:27.150 --> 02:15:32.750 like stand there in a like a slap off duel and you know they go they slap each 02:15:32.750 --> 02:15:38.710 other that would be that would be a way but what i would suggest I think that 02:15:38.710 --> 02:15:40.110 obviously the candidates themselves, 02:15:40.430 --> 02:15:43.450 that doesn't sound like a great idea to do that, but that we should, 02:15:43.550 --> 02:15:46.550 you know, the Democrats should select a champion. 02:15:46.990 --> 02:15:47.550 Yes. 02:15:47.650 --> 02:15:53.430 A champion slapper to go against the GOP champion slapper and a slap off. 02:15:54.720 --> 02:15:58.060 I'm left speechless. A slap off. 02:15:58.980 --> 02:16:04.380 You know, much better than our election process. You know, I envy the British. 02:16:04.580 --> 02:16:05.180 Oh, yeah. 02:16:07.320 --> 02:16:09.340 Labor won by a lot. 02:16:09.860 --> 02:16:13.680 Yeah, they completely. I mean, the conservative. I mean, like, I mean, they're. 02:16:13.700 --> 02:16:17.620 And like 12 hours later, the new prime minister is sworn in. 02:16:18.320 --> 02:16:23.980 Yeah, I would like that process. Can I be honest? And the thing is that the election is short. 02:16:24.720 --> 02:16:25.840 Yeah, it was only a few weeks. 02:16:26.020 --> 02:16:31.200 I mean, all you've got is a few weeks of campaign and then boom, you're done, you're in. 02:16:31.900 --> 02:16:34.860 Honestly, I like that process. 02:16:35.560 --> 02:16:40.340 You know, the other part that I like about the British process is that all the 02:16:40.340 --> 02:16:45.640 people who are running for prime minister and stuff are also running for local seats in parliament. 02:16:45.800 --> 02:16:50.360 Right, yeah. And they have this little counting ceremony at the end where all 02:16:50.360 --> 02:16:57.460 the candidates have to stand there on a stage together while the results for that particular, 02:16:57.680 --> 02:17:01.820 what do they call it, district writing, whatever, district. 02:17:02.420 --> 02:17:04.700 Whatever, are announced. 02:17:05.080 --> 02:17:08.380 And so you always have the major parties. 02:17:08.620 --> 02:17:13.420 And then all the kooks who run for office are standing right there on the stage next to them. 02:17:13.420 --> 02:17:18.820 So you got like Lord Buckethead and you got the guy dressed as Darth Vader and 02:17:18.820 --> 02:17:23.840 you got this guy, that guy, and they're all right there next to like the major candidates. 02:17:23.980 --> 02:17:27.760 And it's just it's just amusing and it's humbling. You saw like, 02:17:27.860 --> 02:17:31.180 what's her name? The one who was prime minister for five minutes. 02:17:32.180 --> 02:17:33.780 What's her name? I've already forgotten. 02:17:34.440 --> 02:17:39.280 Oh, yeah. What's her? Fuck the lady, right? Trust. 02:17:39.480 --> 02:17:42.860 Yeah. Trust. Like she lost. She lost her seat. 02:17:43.420 --> 02:17:44.800 Yeah, she lost her seat, too. That's right. 02:17:44.960 --> 02:17:50.080 Like, and, you know, she was right there, right next to her opponent when the 02:17:50.080 --> 02:17:51.820 official announcements were read. 02:17:52.020 --> 02:17:58.540 And so you don't get that here in the U.S. But you see them right there together. 02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:02.860 They have to, like, acknowledge the results, shake hands, go away, whatever. 02:18:03.820 --> 02:18:06.840 And boom, right there. A lot of good things. 02:18:07.260 --> 02:18:10.780 Maybe they should have a slap off there. 02:18:12.180 --> 02:18:15.120 Yes, Yvonne. you're all about the slaps. 02:18:15.500 --> 02:18:20.920 I mean, I, you know, I wasn't quite, I mean, I've saw people get concussed with 02:18:20.920 --> 02:18:22.720 one, like one slap. I mean, so hard. 02:18:23.440 --> 02:18:27.320 Okay. Maybe that's not as good a night. Of course I was suggesting a duel. 02:18:27.560 --> 02:18:27.920 So 02:18:31.180 --> 02:18:35.080 I mean, I, I mean, I, at least I brought it down from guns. I mean, 02:18:35.100 --> 02:18:36.920 you're just giving a concussion. You want to kill him. 02:18:37.220 --> 02:18:42.280 To, to be clear. I don't actually want to fight to the death between Trump and Biden. 02:18:43.160 --> 02:18:47.380 I mean, Trump would probably just sit on him and that would be bad. 02:18:47.960 --> 02:18:51.300 That might be bad, but I will say this, that despite, you know, 02:18:51.320 --> 02:18:57.000 Biden being old, you know, Biden is in better physical, athletic condition than 02:18:57.000 --> 02:18:59.700 that unathletic dumbass. 02:19:00.900 --> 02:19:05.000 I don't know. Like, I think what you say would have been true like two years 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:06.860 ago. I think it's less true now. 02:19:06.960 --> 02:19:11.640 I saw him bike riding like recently again. I was lonely a couple of weeks ago. He seemed okay. 02:19:11.960 --> 02:19:15.920 Yeah. anyway he admits he's a little stiff these days. 02:19:15.920 --> 02:19:18.780 Well shit i mean who the fuck is i. 02:19:18.780 --> 02:19:23.000 I know i like my back and neck have been sore like exact. 02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:27.440 I mean what the i mean you know the thing is that i hear these questions like 02:19:27.440 --> 02:19:31.020 wow have you lost a step i'm like well what the fuck you think. 02:19:31.020 --> 02:19:32.720 Who asked. 02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:35.220 Anyway all right. 02:19:35.220 --> 02:19:40.640 Okay we we are way over we're done thank you very much for joining us for yet 02:19:40.680 --> 02:19:45.300 another curmudgeons corner stay safe have a great week i hope you didn't blow 02:19:45.300 --> 02:19:53.640 up anything that you shouldn't have with fireworks and we'll talk to you again next week goodbye bye, 02:20:25.740 --> 02:20:28.400 Bye. Thank you. okay later yvonne all. 02:20:28.400 --> 02:20:33.360 Right let's save this puppy come on baby upload yeah. 02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:35.660 Don't be like christy No. Save the puppy. 02:20:36.500 --> 02:20:39.180 I won't shoot the puppy, and I won't eat it either. 02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:43.420 Good job. Yeah. Not like RFK Jr. 02:20:44.440 --> 02:20:50.000 No. Yeah, and I won't try to rape, like, you know, to help or anything. 02:20:50.400 --> 02:20:52.000 You're not going to rape the puppy either? 02:20:52.520 --> 02:20:55.980 No. Nor the nanny or anybody. 02:20:57.460 --> 02:20:59.840 Probably. Good thought. Okay, I'm hitting stop.