WEBVTT 00:00:23.190 --> 00:00:29.750 Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, June 29th, 2024. 00:00:29.930 --> 00:00:33.550 It is just after 2.30 UTC. I'm Sam Mentory. Von Bo is here. 00:00:34.010 --> 00:00:36.310 And yeah, it's another week. 00:00:36.750 --> 00:00:39.190 Yeah, we're here. It's another week. 00:00:39.350 --> 00:00:40.050 It's another week. 00:00:40.130 --> 00:00:46.990 We are going to talk about the Copa America tournament that is going on right now. 00:00:47.190 --> 00:00:47.790 Uh-huh. 00:00:47.830 --> 00:00:52.270 How the U.S. was embarrassed by Panama yesterday. 00:00:53.190 --> 00:00:55.150 I know lots about this. 00:00:55.610 --> 00:01:01.010 I'm sure that you're all, I know, I'm sure that you've been following this very closely. 00:01:01.630 --> 00:01:08.270 Very, very. I've been obsessively following every detail I could possibly find on that. 00:01:08.730 --> 00:01:10.050 Of course. Yes. 00:01:10.570 --> 00:01:15.010 Now we're, we're going to do our butt first with casual stuff, 00:01:15.210 --> 00:01:18.050 and then we're going to do a couple of segments of newsy things. 00:01:18.070 --> 00:01:21.250 And I get, I bet you guys can guess what we're going to talk about. 00:01:21.490 --> 00:01:22.770 At least some of the things. 00:01:23.190 --> 00:01:25.930 Uh the weather yes. 00:01:25.930 --> 00:01:27.650 The weather it's been hot. 00:01:27.650 --> 00:01:30.990 It's been hot a lot of places not. 00:01:30.990 --> 00:01:34.970 Here here it's been fine where i am in the pacific northwest. 00:01:34.970 --> 00:01:46.170 I you know this last it it got we had a spell where it was today was it was 00:01:46.170 --> 00:01:52.730 like 10 degrees above normal above averages it's gotten closer to the averages 00:01:52.730 --> 00:01:54.270 It's still above average, 00:01:54.470 --> 00:02:00.770 but it's gotten closer to the averages, but, but we, we definitely have been a spell. 00:02:00.890 --> 00:02:05.290 I did have somebody that recently moved to the U S that was, 00:02:05.330 --> 00:02:10.790 I saw today and they were telling me that they went to, uh, DC last week and 00:02:10.790 --> 00:02:13.790 DC was in the middle of, of, 00:02:14.010 --> 00:02:16.530 you know, this heat wave we've had. 00:02:16.530 --> 00:02:25.030 And I don't, my experience with DC heat, DC gets really humid, 00:02:25.270 --> 00:02:29.070 far more humid than, wow. 00:02:29.210 --> 00:02:33.150 I mean, I mean, I come from a place that's hot and humid. 00:02:33.690 --> 00:02:38.670 And when I went to DC in the summer and it got hot and humid like that, 00:02:38.750 --> 00:02:45.690 I felt it was so much worse than, than any of the heat that I usually experienced in Puerto Rico. 00:02:46.870 --> 00:02:52.130 I don't know why that is, but that was the way I, I experienced it. 00:02:52.910 --> 00:02:56.490 And yeah, these guys, you know, they, they went there and they were like, 00:02:56.510 --> 00:03:01.050 whoa, no, they had moved in. They, they moved to the U S from Chile. 00:03:01.510 --> 00:03:03.810 Okay. Uh, relatively recently. 00:03:05.330 --> 00:03:10.410 So, you know, they, that was like, just, you know, that's one of the things 00:03:10.410 --> 00:03:15.150 they actually, it's an interesting thing when you, you meet somebody that just 00:03:15.150 --> 00:03:16.790 recently moved from another country. 00:03:16.870 --> 00:03:19.550 As i think they they told me that they 00:03:19.550 --> 00:03:22.810 had visited like new york before and i think 00:03:22.810 --> 00:03:27.850 they had visited dc but never to philadelphia never to boston never to that 00:03:27.850 --> 00:03:33.970 area you know so they they they really you know hadn't visited so they decided 00:03:33.970 --> 00:03:39.810 to to to you know just to visit the country right i mean you moved here to the 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:42.630 u.s and they just wanted to go and like visit the of places. 00:03:42.750 --> 00:03:46.910 And so that was one of the things that they did recently. And, 00:03:46.950 --> 00:03:48.930 you know, they went to their first time to Boston Philadelphia. 00:03:49.070 --> 00:03:51.230 It's sad that they had a really great time. 00:03:52.250 --> 00:03:56.410 So, you know, doing, they did do, I guess it was pretty smart. 00:03:56.470 --> 00:04:00.370 They did a road trip where they took a rental car, they drove all the way up 00:04:00.370 --> 00:04:02.690 there, but they had airline tickets to return. 00:04:02.990 --> 00:04:07.490 So they, they, they flew back from the road trip. So that was, that was interesting. 00:04:07.850 --> 00:04:12.250 So anyway, that's our weather segment for today and travel that. 00:04:12.250 --> 00:04:17.210 That was that was very exciting I kind of tuned out I must admit I was looking at other things. 00:04:17.210 --> 00:04:25.630 Oh it's not that thrilling it's it's not it's not thrilling you know and travel no no you're not yeah. 00:04:25.630 --> 00:04:33.310 So so given that yes what's the what's your real but first. 00:04:34.410 --> 00:04:38.890 I went to the I went well not that we have I don't have an office anymore here, 00:04:38.950 --> 00:04:44.110 but I kind of, one of the reasons I saw that person is because I kind of like went to the office. 00:04:44.630 --> 00:04:49.630 Well, we had, we had a, like an all hands meeting for our region. 00:04:50.170 --> 00:04:53.830 And so they went and over here, we don't have an office anymore. 00:04:53.970 --> 00:04:58.390 So they, they got us a conference space at one of these coworking places. 00:04:58.990 --> 00:05:05.070 And so I spent the whole day, I had to drive to the, to the, to downtown. 00:05:05.230 --> 00:05:06.130 Oh no. 00:05:06.190 --> 00:05:06.970 And meet with all these. 00:05:06.970 --> 00:05:12.670 Oh no, I feel so awful for you. Oh, it's, it's, I, you know, 00:05:12.770 --> 00:05:17.690 it's, it's a horrible, horrible fate that you have had. 00:05:18.190 --> 00:05:22.690 And I can't possibly imagine anything so bad. 00:05:24.050 --> 00:05:27.050 So. And I spent the whole day there. 00:05:27.910 --> 00:05:33.750 And I got back like, oh, gosh, I don't know, close to seven, like around seven. 00:05:34.510 --> 00:05:40.990 I'm going to tell you, that's it. It's tiring. I actually wound up taking a nap when I got home. 00:05:41.230 --> 00:05:44.050 That's how tired I was from this whole thing. 00:05:44.570 --> 00:05:44.970 Yeah. 00:05:44.970 --> 00:05:45.490 I mean. 00:05:46.930 --> 00:05:52.690 I feel you. I like, look, I, I am forced to go into the office three days a week. 00:05:52.970 --> 00:05:57.590 Most of the time it's pointless unless there's something specific I'm going in for. 00:05:58.110 --> 00:06:01.650 And, uh, it's annoying. It's, it's just annoying. 00:06:01.990 --> 00:06:06.810 Like, and, and look again, I have no issues whatsoever. 00:06:06.810 --> 00:06:13.110 When there's actually somebody there to like i'm gonna have a meeting i'm gonna 00:06:13.110 --> 00:06:17.130 have a conversation i'm gonna do some whiteboarding i'm having lunch with somebody 00:06:17.130 --> 00:06:22.210 whatever those are all fine it's the going in and sitting in an empty office 00:06:22.210 --> 00:06:25.630 after having to do the commute like for well. 00:06:25.630 --> 00:06:31.010 I did meet well i well that was the thing that that's the positive i mean i did meet with people. 00:06:31.010 --> 00:06:31.790 Yeah yeah Yeah. 00:06:31.790 --> 00:06:37.690 We did have something that we were discussing. One of the things is that because 00:06:37.690 --> 00:06:38.610 we're doing the all hands, 00:06:38.810 --> 00:06:44.750 I did prove to be a little bit of a guinea pig for the slides in the in the 00:06:44.750 --> 00:06:48.730 all hands because, you know, trying to make sure that whatever was on there, 00:06:48.870 --> 00:06:51.870 the content made sense, made sense. 00:06:52.070 --> 00:06:56.330 Yeah, because they had been working on it. Right. You know, like our senior 00:06:56.330 --> 00:07:00.050 VP and and his staff, you know, they go to one slide. 00:07:00.130 --> 00:07:02.810 OK, well, you read this. This makes sense. 00:07:03.030 --> 00:07:07.510 I went through it. It actually did. I mean, I actually went through all the bullet points. 00:07:07.550 --> 00:07:09.990 And I think there may have been one that I didn't know what, 00:07:10.010 --> 00:07:13.790 you know, I was a little bit fuzzy on some of the stuffs. Okay. 00:07:13.970 --> 00:07:15.190 On some of the stuffs. Stuff. 00:07:15.270 --> 00:07:16.970 The stuffs. The stuff. The stuff. 00:07:17.110 --> 00:07:23.130 I think, you know, because there's certain things that maybe some new stuff 00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:26.470 that we're talking about, like one thing that we were talking about that we 00:07:26.470 --> 00:07:28.890 talked about, heaven forbid, is AI, of course. 00:07:28.950 --> 00:07:32.650 Oh, of course. Of course. You can't have a meeting without talking about that. 00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:37.130 No, apparently not anymore. I can't even escape it now. 00:07:37.310 --> 00:07:41.390 So the one thing is that I know that we have been, you know, 00:07:41.430 --> 00:07:46.450 a couple of things that we talk about sometimes is not just the capacity of 00:07:46.450 --> 00:07:50.290 AI, but AI services and how to make AI practical. 00:07:51.730 --> 00:07:56.190 So, uh, there was a good discussion around that, about, I think the things that 00:07:56.190 --> 00:08:00.350 we have complained about and how to make sure that we, we can enable people 00:08:00.350 --> 00:08:03.310 to be able to get value out of it. 00:08:03.670 --> 00:08:06.010 Yeah. Use it where it makes sense, not where it's stupid. 00:08:06.790 --> 00:08:10.210 Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and actually we had the discussion about it and, 00:08:10.210 --> 00:08:14.730 and by the way, I, one thing that our discussions on that proved to be very helpful. 00:08:14.810 --> 00:08:15.790 Oh, good. Good. 00:08:16.450 --> 00:08:21.170 Related to that. Yes, that was good because I was able to provide some real 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.150 feedback related to that. 00:08:23.230 --> 00:08:25.530 So that was received positively. So that's good. 00:08:25.750 --> 00:08:29.510 I didn't mention that we had a discussion around that. 00:08:29.650 --> 00:08:35.850 But the one thing, we did have a discussion about working from home in the office 00:08:35.850 --> 00:08:39.390 and the fact that we were all together. I did bring that up. 00:08:40.550 --> 00:08:46.650 Well, I think the one thing I brought it up was because we haven't had, 00:08:47.990 --> 00:08:50.610 Like, we've onboarded a lot of new people. 00:08:50.950 --> 00:08:51.390 Okay. 00:08:51.650 --> 00:08:57.410 And what I did bring up was very, you know, I took the opportunity to bring up specifically, 00:08:57.730 --> 00:09:02.430 you know, the issue with sometimes, look, I get, you know, I know that many 00:09:02.430 --> 00:09:05.390 times I don't find it productive to go to the office like you mentioned. 00:09:05.470 --> 00:09:06.830 So I brought up specifically. 00:09:07.070 --> 00:09:10.710 But it's helpful for new people who are trying to figure out what's going on. 00:09:11.570 --> 00:09:16.510 Right. And I was like, look, we need to figure out something with this. 00:09:16.510 --> 00:09:24.790 And we also, I think one of the things that, I don't know how it's handled at your place of work, 00:09:24.950 --> 00:09:28.850 and I know that this is inconsistent across different places, 00:09:28.970 --> 00:09:31.870 but I mean, we're in a company, 00:09:32.110 --> 00:09:34.690 I mean, at least us specifically. 00:09:34.690 --> 00:09:39.790 I think many companies aren't in this situation, but where the product and the 00:09:39.790 --> 00:09:41.730 portfolio are evolving very quickly. 00:09:41.910 --> 00:09:49.830 And when that is happening, getting people up to speed on understanding what 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:54.210 the changes are and what's going into how to position those, 00:09:54.470 --> 00:09:59.410 it's difficult if you don't have some kind of... 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:07.840 In classroom training or, or, or at least be with people and that it's not that it isn't virtual. 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:15.740 I, I, I just, I think a lot of people tune into these webinars and most of them tune them out. 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:20.480 It's very easy to turn. Well, it also depends a lot on the quality and blah, 00:10:20.560 --> 00:10:23.440 blah, blah, but it's very easy to tune out those things. 00:10:23.540 --> 00:10:28.000 Like, like if, if you're stuck in a classroom room and there are people all 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.220 around you, it's kind of, you know, if you goof off, people will notice. 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:38.800 Goof off, people will notice and you're more bound to wind up focusing on what the hell is going on. 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:44.300 Yeah. If you're watching something, especially like it's, and what you're talking 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:48.880 about in terms of like instruction is different than a meeting. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.020 Like in a meeting, you're talking back and forth and you're participating. 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:56.720 And if you're not participating, you probably don't need to be at the meeting anyway. 00:10:56.900 --> 00:11:01.900 And so, but, but like with a thing that is, 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:08.220 it's like either somebody talking at you or you going through slides or whatever, 00:11:08.420 --> 00:11:12.400 it's just really easy to be like, okay, well, this is interesting, 00:11:12.520 --> 00:11:16.300 but I'm going to check my phone real quick. And you're right. 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:22.320 I'll, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll like, you know, I'll have it on my headphones, 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:25.400 but maybe Maybe I'll like go do the dishes. I don't know. 00:11:25.460 --> 00:11:30.560 Like, yeah, it's very easy to like decide that the right thing to do is to multitask. 00:11:31.560 --> 00:11:34.480 And, you know, I know some people are better at this than others, 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:41.800 but personally, like if I start doing something else that is even slightly more engaging, 00:11:42.060 --> 00:11:45.640 I can go minutes and then suddenly realize, oh crap, I should have been paying 00:11:45.640 --> 00:11:46.560 attention to that thing. 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:48.620 Yeah. What the hell was going on? Right. 00:11:49.380 --> 00:11:49.780 Yeah. 00:11:49.900 --> 00:11:55.440 And so I, I, I guess that's the thing. I think that I'm going to say like 20 years ago, 00:11:55.560 --> 00:12:05.100 it was a common practice that we would get taken to a training that was developed 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:09.680 in conjunction with actual people that design training, 00:12:09.900 --> 00:12:15.080 not just, hey, you're the SME on something. Make up some slides. No. 00:12:15.180 --> 00:12:21.120 Right. This was a training that was, you know, designed by people that, 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:25.380 you know, together with the SMEs, it's meant for to to teach. 00:12:25.740 --> 00:12:33.400 And also, a lot of the times there were practical exercises and testing. 00:12:33.400 --> 00:12:39.500 Interesting i mean just to see how much you learned and because that also helped 00:12:39.500 --> 00:12:45.020 to like identify okay what what was absorbed what wasn't and so forth and so 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:48.600 on and i don't think we i don't think, 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:54.860 Companies do enough of that anymore. And that, that used to be quite a lot more common. 00:12:55.080 --> 00:13:02.540 I remember like when I was, when I was at Merrill Lynch and even in my early 00:13:02.540 --> 00:13:06.900 years here, I think I was sent to a couple of courses. It's been forever. 00:13:07.680 --> 00:13:14.000 Like, not that, not that like I actually want one, but, but it has been a long 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.500 time. It used to be something that. 00:13:15.500 --> 00:13:21.920 But if there is something that you want to really have people learn, that's the way to do it. 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:30.340 Well, yeah. I mean, and you're even talking about like real courses on something that. Oh, yeah. 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.460 But like, it's even worse when it's the stupid little mandatory training about 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:37.500 harassment or bribery or whatever. 00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:41.200 Like, those are just so dumb. 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:48.460 But well those everybody has to do every year but but i but you know what we 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:55.440 did talk about that one but but again you know what they may be dumb but look 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.140 that shit happens still all the time. 00:13:58.860 --> 00:14:04.180 They guarantee that everybody has seen it so if you do the things you're not 00:14:04.180 --> 00:14:05.960 supposed to you can't You can't plead ignorance. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:13.640 You don't have the fucking excuse exactly that you were not told and trained 00:14:13.640 --> 00:14:16.380 that this is wrong. Yeah. 00:14:16.460 --> 00:14:21.320 I thought it was just fine. Like, you know, they only gave me a car. 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:27.620 Somebody was mentioning today how in some years past. 00:14:27.620 --> 00:14:38.160 Yeah, because in the industries, and I've lived this, where you've got a company 00:14:38.160 --> 00:14:42.120 with a product or service that's sold through a third party. 00:14:43.530 --> 00:14:53.190 Man, those, especially that deals with government, man, those are wide open for abuse, okay? 00:14:53.770 --> 00:15:00.770 You know, I think I probably mentioned that somebody that was our senior VP 20 years ago, 00:15:00.950 --> 00:15:08.750 while he was working at another company, wound up going to jail on an FCPA investigation 00:15:08.750 --> 00:15:14.630 sometime like, yes, this must have been about. Eight or nine years ago. 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:15.390 Okay. 00:15:16.750 --> 00:15:20.350 And, you know, this is something that is notorious. 00:15:20.910 --> 00:15:29.650 And I know that I had somebody, somebody was mentioning today how I was talking 00:15:29.650 --> 00:15:34.250 about that there was a series of people that I had heard had been terminated 00:15:34.250 --> 00:15:37.730 some place or whatever, whatnot, that we knew. 00:15:37.730 --> 00:15:41.330 And they mentioned to me that look 00:15:41.330 --> 00:15:44.590 I've been through training I know what the hell is right 00:15:44.590 --> 00:15:47.610 and wrong about this stuff and that 00:15:47.610 --> 00:15:53.370 some years ago like a long time ago had to go to one person and they were on 00:15:53.370 --> 00:16:00.470 a call they heard these people talk about stuff they didn't specify what they 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:03.690 said but he hung up the call and 00:16:03.690 --> 00:16:07.230 called them called one of them I think reported and said listen Listen, 00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:09.910 I don't know what the hell's going on with you guys, 00:16:10.010 --> 00:16:12.330 but everything I just heard on that call is inappropriate. 00:16:15.670 --> 00:16:19.050 And you guys were casually talking about it like it's no problem. 00:16:20.390 --> 00:16:21.210 That's lovely. 00:16:22.350 --> 00:16:26.430 Yeah, I know. Yeah. And, you know, you said is that, you know, 00:16:26.430 --> 00:16:31.710 taking this training, you know, over and over as at least Adam in his mind reminded 00:16:31.710 --> 00:16:37.050 him that what the fuck it is that you're supposed to be looking for, 00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:39.890 whether it's related to harassment, 00:16:40.190 --> 00:16:46.250 whether it's related to inappropriate practices related to third parties, 00:16:46.290 --> 00:16:48.930 customers and so forth and so on. 00:16:49.630 --> 00:16:53.090 You know, I wound up having to terminate people for this shit. 00:16:54.670 --> 00:17:01.530 And, you know, people will play dumb. People will say they didn't do anything. 00:17:03.430 --> 00:17:07.890 It's not good. It's just, you know, it's not good. 00:17:08.030 --> 00:17:13.050 So anyway, but I will say that despite the exhausting part of that, 00:17:13.190 --> 00:17:16.290 I did have a good time going in and being with people. 00:17:17.870 --> 00:17:18.350 Yeah. 00:17:18.410 --> 00:17:20.070 I was tired at the end of the day. 00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:23.210 It could be good, like, sometimes. 00:17:23.810 --> 00:17:26.930 Sometimes yeah you know sometimes yeah well i'm not having i'm not gonna have 00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:31.750 to do it again like next week well so there you go that's. 00:17:31.750 --> 00:17:32.750 Good i guess. 00:17:32.750 --> 00:17:34.950 Okay is. 00:17:34.950 --> 00:17:35.390 It my turn. 00:17:35.390 --> 00:17:40.290 Yes it's your turn okay so you're covering a movie no. 00:17:40.290 --> 00:17:41.830 Normally i would. 00:17:41.830 --> 00:17:42.230 Cover a. 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:47.150 Movie but i i need to give like an update. 00:17:47.330 --> 00:17:50.950 I took this week off to work on election graphs. 00:17:51.370 --> 00:17:52.650 Ah, yeah. 00:17:53.270 --> 00:18:01.130 And so I'm adding the various things that show, 00:18:02.110 --> 00:18:06.730 probabilities that take into account the amount of time left before the election 00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:10.770 as opposed to just if the election was today all the time. 00:18:10.990 --> 00:18:11.590 Okay. 00:18:11.590 --> 00:18:21.070 And Monday and Tuesday we're all dealing with the data like getting all my old data from 2008 and 2012, 00:18:21.310 --> 00:18:26.810 getting it into right formats making sure all my calculations were right, 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:34.150 adjusting doing all the math stuff and I finally, I came out of all that and 00:18:34.150 --> 00:18:38.330 there was one thing that really annoyed me, I found, 00:18:39.450 --> 00:18:43.050 error in my spreadsheet from 2012. 00:18:43.990 --> 00:18:49.630 Okay. And apparently back in 2012, I had all, I had found it. 00:18:49.690 --> 00:18:54.870 Cause like I looked at my 2012 post-mortem and it included the correct number, 00:18:54.970 --> 00:18:57.730 but like in my spreadsheet was a wrong number. 00:18:57.810 --> 00:19:02.310 And that wrong number had been propagated through the stuff I'd done since then. 00:19:02.510 --> 00:19:07.790 And so I found it, I corrected it, but the curves that come out of the process 00:19:07.790 --> 00:19:12.530 looked better with the error than with the real data, which was kind of annoying. 00:19:13.050 --> 00:19:18.690 But, you know, and it took me like, I spent like an hour or two convincing myself, 00:19:20.130 --> 00:19:27.070 that it really had been an error before and the new numbers were better than 00:19:27.070 --> 00:19:30.370 the old numbers and I should go with the new numbers, not the old ones. 00:19:30.470 --> 00:19:32.090 Anyway, that was Monday and Tuesday. 00:19:32.310 --> 00:19:34.450 By the end of Tuesday, I'd gotten all that done. 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:39.550 Wednesday I made the 00:19:39.550 --> 00:19:43.350 I don't even know what day it is like I'm getting 00:19:43.350 --> 00:19:49.130 confused Wednesday I did the state detail pages and added this functionality 00:19:49.130 --> 00:19:54.410 and it worked really well and by the end of the day I launched it I put out 00:19:54.410 --> 00:19:59.750 a toot on Mastodon saying hey this is on the state thing national National is coming soon. 00:20:00.590 --> 00:20:05.670 So I was really happy. Now I say Wednesday, but really it was, 00:20:05.750 --> 00:20:12.570 I did an all nighter Wednesday into Thursday morning, but, but I did it and 00:20:12.570 --> 00:20:14.010 I was really happy with the progress. 00:20:14.130 --> 00:20:17.630 I was, I felt like I was a little bit behind my intended schedule, 00:20:17.870 --> 00:20:22.030 but I was, I was okay. So Thursday I started working on the national stuff. 00:20:22.550 --> 00:20:28.530 Wait, I'm getting the timelines confused, whatever. It doesn't matter. I had the state stuff. 00:20:28.750 --> 00:20:33.350 Worked and I moved on to the national, like all the days have sort of merged into each other. 00:20:33.410 --> 00:20:37.630 Cause I pulled a couple all nighters and when I have slept, it's been like three 00:20:37.630 --> 00:20:39.370 or four hours and then I've gotten up again. 00:20:39.570 --> 00:20:43.270 And the first half of the week I was doing this thing where I was alternating 00:20:43.270 --> 00:20:45.770 with other activities I wanted to get done. 00:20:45.950 --> 00:20:50.590 Like for instance, I did an upgrade to wiki of the day early in the week as well. 00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:57.430 Uh, you know, I, let's see the, the, the two main things are one, uh. 00:20:58.830 --> 00:21:03.330 Has a wider variety of voices than it had before. Like the, the service I use to do it, 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:09.450 Polly had added new voice engines and I had stuff in place to automatically 00:21:09.450 --> 00:21:14.750 take into account of new voices within existing engines, but they added new engines. 00:21:14.790 --> 00:21:20.290 So I had to like change things to, to, to take advantage of those new voices, which I did. 00:21:20.370 --> 00:21:24.290 And also one thing that's bugged me about wiki of the day from the very beginning 00:21:24.290 --> 00:21:28.830 was that compared to other podcasts, the volume was a little low. really. 00:21:28.830 --> 00:21:31.950 Yeah i don't think so okay. 00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:35.450 It's it's just a little like normally like 00:21:35.450 --> 00:21:40.270 most podcasts are normalized to what's called like by something called luffs 00:21:40.270 --> 00:21:45.970 and it's like negative 16 luffs is standard and the wiki of the day was a little 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:51.030 softer than that but i didn't have a good way to normalize to luffs i i it was 00:21:51.030 --> 00:21:55.130 only like you know i think there was a way you could just say louder butter, please. 00:21:55.590 --> 00:21:59.570 But anyway, I figured out how to normalize it to love. So it's now normalized 00:21:59.570 --> 00:22:03.130 to the same levels that curmudgeon's corners normalized to et cetera, et cetera. 00:22:03.230 --> 00:22:07.150 No one cares about that, but I did some, I did some, cause whenever I was listening 00:22:07.150 --> 00:22:10.530 to podcasts in the car and wiki of the day came on, I'd have to turn it up a 00:22:10.530 --> 00:22:12.010 little bit to be the same as the others. 00:22:12.110 --> 00:22:15.410 And that was, that's been bugging me for years. I finally fixed it. 00:22:16.010 --> 00:22:20.110 Anyway, the first half of the week I was doing other stuff. I was cleaning around 00:22:20.110 --> 00:22:23.050 the house. I was doing some dishes. I was doing some laundry. 00:22:23.290 --> 00:22:26.270 And by the time we got to Wednesday afternoon, I was like, no, 00:22:26.330 --> 00:22:27.990 I have to like concentrate on this. 00:22:28.350 --> 00:22:32.530 And so anyway, I got the state detail pages done. I was really happy with them, 00:22:32.550 --> 00:22:34.210 how they turned out. They looked great. 00:22:34.610 --> 00:22:39.750 And then I started doing the, the national stuff. And I have a test page where 00:22:39.750 --> 00:22:43.150 I'm sort of building all the stuff. And I was really, really happy with the progress there. 00:22:43.790 --> 00:22:46.970 And then I did something. 00:22:47.730 --> 00:22:50.690 You did something. something wow i. 00:22:50.690 --> 00:22:52.790 I did something yeah. 00:22:52.790 --> 00:22:53.650 What did you do. 00:22:53.650 --> 00:22:57.650 Basically i fucking broke everything ah. 00:22:57.650 --> 00:23:02.310 Great that's always always always very you know. 00:23:02.310 --> 00:23:07.030 And of course like i do this crap by the seat of my pants editing things directly 00:23:07.030 --> 00:23:12.350 on the server without any version management whatever blah blah backups you. 00:23:12.350 --> 00:23:13.490 Know yeah no. 00:23:13.490 --> 00:23:17.750 I have i had some backups well i did i did have like yeah. 00:23:17.750 --> 00:23:20.430 But But not version management, I get, you know. 00:23:21.270 --> 00:23:26.130 Not recently enough. Like, I had a backup from before I started doing any of this work. 00:23:26.210 --> 00:23:29.470 I didn't have stuff that I could go back to, like, where I was an hour ago. 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:30.990 You could, exactly, yeah. 00:23:32.360 --> 00:23:34.020 You couldn't roll. You couldn't just roll back. 00:23:34.520 --> 00:23:37.900 I couldn't just roll back. And of course, anybody out there in the software 00:23:37.900 --> 00:23:41.220 world is going to be like, well, Sam, you deserve everything you fucking get, you know? 00:23:41.580 --> 00:23:42.700 Yes, you do. Yes, you do. 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:48.920 Like this is best practices that people have known for decades, you know? And yes. 00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:55.500 Um, but no, no, I'm sitting there directly editing files on the server, on the live server. 00:23:55.860 --> 00:23:58.180 And like something breaks and I'm like, Oh, that's interesting. 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:01.600 It breaks. And then I fix it. But then I got myself into a real mess. 00:24:02.360 --> 00:24:04.260 Like, all kinds of things weren't working right. 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:07.940 Yeah, right. And you could just roll it back. 00:24:08.540 --> 00:24:12.780 No. And right now, at this very second, like, I'm distracted as I'm talking 00:24:12.780 --> 00:24:16.680 to Yvonne because I'm discovering more things screwed up on the live site as 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.300 we're speaking. Like, and... 00:24:19.300 --> 00:24:20.300 Good work, Sam. 00:24:21.020 --> 00:24:26.700 Yeah, so... And my time is up. Like, I took the week off, not two weeks off. 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.760 I do have the weekend, but I have... 00:24:28.760 --> 00:24:31.080 I told you to take two fucking weeks off. 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:35.260 Off i know i know i know but anyway so like i. 00:24:35.260 --> 00:24:37.800 Mean next week is a fucking short week anyway. 00:24:38.540 --> 00:24:41.520 I know i know i've got the weekend and 00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:45.180 i've got blah blah blah but anyway so like i'm 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:48.000 looking at like one of the graphs on there and i'm like that graph is completely 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.740 wrong that graph is wrong why is that graph wrong what did i screw up on that 00:24:52.740 --> 00:25:00.040 one the other thing that i did was i had the way I originally set it up to do 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:04.440 like some of the stuff was fast enough, 00:25:04.560 --> 00:25:06.860 but use too much memory. 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.040 So like if I was trying to do deal with too many pages at the same time, 00:25:11.040 --> 00:25:12.700 it would blow up my server's memory. 00:25:12.840 --> 00:25:19.020 So I've been trying to change it to something that is, that would be faster, 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.160 but I ended up making it slower instead. 00:25:22.800 --> 00:25:27.640 And so that's no good. Like, and, and like once it's cached. 00:25:27.780 --> 00:25:30.960 You can just bring up the cache. But the thing is, if something changes, 00:25:31.080 --> 00:25:36.900 then it like takes a little bit to like calculate the new results and cache 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:39.160 the new version of the page and all this kind of stuff. 00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:44.220 And the problem is that time to do the caching moved from minutes to like an 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.220 hour. And I'm like, oh man. 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.620 And so like, anyway, so like I've been. 00:25:50.830 --> 00:25:59.950 I've been beside myself like all freaking day to day, like since about 11 a.m. 00:26:00.730 --> 00:26:04.530 Like was when whatever I did that started breaking things happened. 00:26:04.730 --> 00:26:09.850 And I've been trying to recover from that ever fucking since. 00:26:10.210 --> 00:26:16.790 And it is not there yet. I was actually, I think I was just realizing and during 00:26:16.790 --> 00:26:17.990 the next break, I'll do this. 00:26:18.010 --> 00:26:23.190 That it's, it's in a bad enough state right now that I'm going to put like a 00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:26.650 little red warning on the homepage or whatever saying things are screwed up 00:26:26.650 --> 00:26:27.730 right now. Come back later. 00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:31.770 You know, cause it's just, it's just a mess right now. Like some of these, 00:26:31.810 --> 00:26:33.650 I'm like, I don't know what the hell it's doing. 00:26:34.030 --> 00:26:39.590 And I like as recently as like, like I said, around 11 AM today, 00:26:39.810 --> 00:26:43.110 Friday, I was like, this is going really well. 00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:46.950 I might even finish this before I talk to Yvonne for the podcast. 00:26:47.450 --> 00:26:51.930 And then everything went to hell and then completely to hell and it's all messed up. 00:26:52.050 --> 00:26:57.210 And I I'm, I'm like, I was thinking that I'd be done with that and I do the 00:26:57.210 --> 00:26:59.130 podcast and then go get some sleep. 00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:03.110 And then in the morning, like, and then, you know, maybe clean up some stuff 00:27:03.110 --> 00:27:07.650 over the weekend, but it was, would be basically done and I could move on to other things. 00:27:07.930 --> 00:27:11.650 Instead, I'm now thinking as soon as I get done with this podcast, 00:27:11.990 --> 00:27:15.550 it's back to debugging bugging and it's another freaking all-nighter probably. 00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:20.830 Nice. Yeah. There you go. Congratulations, Sam. Good work. 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:26.030 Yeah, like even the stuff that I launched, even the stuff that I launched like 00:27:26.030 --> 00:27:29.010 Wednesday and put out the announcement about and everything, 00:27:29.110 --> 00:27:31.730 it was like, it was great. That stuff screwed up right now too. 00:27:32.070 --> 00:27:35.370 It's like, and anyway, so. 00:27:36.290 --> 00:27:40.390 So anyway, coming soon, I will fix all this stuff. 00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:46.110 It's just been a pain in my ass. And, and, and it's frustrating because it felt 00:27:46.110 --> 00:27:50.670 like it was all going so well and it was coming together exactly the way I had 00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:52.630 it planned. And then it all blew up. 00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:58.920 Nice good job congratulations yeah congratulations 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.880 that's exactly right so i'm i'm researching 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:09.180 stuff on how to like improve performance in one place and then in another in 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:13.600 another place i'm like you know i'm like how do i do this in memory caches instead 00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:17.680 of off disk and stuff like that and then made one attempt and it didn't work 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.220 right and then i'm making another attempt and that didn't work. 00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:25.240 And now I'm like, okay, this isn't working, so I have to set up this other thing, 00:28:25.280 --> 00:28:28.820 and I don't know, blah, blah, blah. And meanwhile, like I said, other things broke. 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:34.460 And I feel like some of it is almost certainly like data's getting saved to 00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:37.580 the wrong place and overwriting something it shouldn't. 00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:41.280 And I know I can, it's just a matter of tracking it all down. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.280 And at this point, I'm tired. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.660 But the problem is live, so I need to fix it. yeah. 00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:51.220 So is it is it is it because of your age sam it. 00:28:51.220 --> 00:28:54.780 Probably is because of my age it's it's because, 00:28:55.360 --> 00:28:58.800 i'm decrepit and over the hill yep and 00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:01.620 i'm cranky and the fact 00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:05.360 that i'm an old tech curmudgeon is one of the reasons i'm doing things like 00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:09.780 edit live on the damn server like if i'd been brought up any more recently than 00:29:09.780 --> 00:29:15.700 i was i would have been in indoctrinated into the proper use of all these these 00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:19.640 technologies to save you from shit like this from, from the very beginning, 00:29:19.820 --> 00:29:22.080 you know, I'd have, I'd have a staging server. 00:29:22.340 --> 00:29:25.560 I would have a version management. I'd have this, I'd have that. 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:31.920 And in a professional capacity, I know all this stuff in a, what the hell I do at home. 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:34.420 I'm just like, let's edit it live. 00:29:34.820 --> 00:29:39.120 Ah, fuck it. Live, live in production, baby. 00:29:40.060 --> 00:29:44.220 Exactly. You know? And so, So, oh, man. 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:51.680 So, yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm frustrated right now because I was I was it 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.520 was so close. I felt it to being done. And then kaboom. 00:29:56.890 --> 00:30:00.510 Everything's fucked now well um you'll. 00:30:00.510 --> 00:30:02.390 Get you'll be you'll figure it out. 00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:05.250 I i'm sure i will figure it 00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:14.890 out but in the meantime i'm unhappy well i'm smiling while i say that it's like 00:30:14.890 --> 00:30:19.590 it's kind of been fun well the the get the making it actually work was kind 00:30:19.590 --> 00:30:25.090 of fun the stress of oh my god not everything's broken, less fun, less fun. 00:30:25.790 --> 00:30:27.430 Less fun, but you know. 00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:32.730 It is what it is. So, all right, I should, I should eat sometime too. 00:30:32.830 --> 00:30:34.250 I don't think I've eaten in a while. 00:30:34.370 --> 00:30:35.530 That, that would be good. 00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:40.350 But you know, whatever I eat, I'll, I'll eat the website. 00:30:41.210 --> 00:30:43.070 Oh, that's that though. That'll be tasty. 00:30:43.310 --> 00:30:43.710 Yeah. 00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:47.550 You just print it all, but it's just take all the code, just print, 00:30:47.610 --> 00:30:54.950 print everything, print, you know, reveal all the, uh, html encoding and whatever on every page i. 00:30:54.950 --> 00:30:59.370 Was thinking more of a fax service where somebody could fax me a request for 00:30:59.370 --> 00:31:03.550 information on what's going on in a state and i would sort of manually write 00:31:03.550 --> 00:31:05.010 out a response and fax it back. 00:31:05.010 --> 00:31:10.410 That's something i haven't done in quite a while you know i had somebody that 00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:14.970 i think i can't remember what the heck it was this was like not that long ago 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:20.550 that was like the way this was communication was working i i i they they said 00:31:20.550 --> 00:31:23.670 that they didn't use email, that they would just use fax. 00:31:24.050 --> 00:31:28.690 So I would write out a fax and I could, I used to be able to fax from my computer. 00:31:28.770 --> 00:31:33.390 I talked about this, that my service got discontinued, but that I could fax 00:31:33.390 --> 00:31:39.430 from the computer and then they would write a note on paper and then fax it back to me. 00:31:40.030 --> 00:31:46.770 Lovely. Okay. Well, you mentioned our ages, so I think it's time to take a break. 00:31:46.770 --> 00:31:53.950 And I guess there's an obvious topic, which is the Biden-Trump debate. 00:31:54.550 --> 00:31:56.850 And then there might be some other things to talk about. 00:31:57.410 --> 00:31:57.810 Maybe. 00:31:58.190 --> 00:31:59.470 We're going to start with that, right? 00:31:59.930 --> 00:32:01.870 Yeah. Okay. We'll start with that. 00:32:01.910 --> 00:32:02.750 We'll start with that. 00:32:02.790 --> 00:32:03.690 I guess we have to. 00:32:04.050 --> 00:32:11.770 We have to. There's no choice. There's no choice. We will be back after this. 00:33:55.550 --> 00:33:56.090 Okay. 00:33:56.530 --> 00:34:00.230 Well, let me ask a question because this was recorded a while back. 00:34:00.790 --> 00:34:02.750 Does Alex still hate curmudgeon's corner? 00:34:03.410 --> 00:34:07.470 Alex, do you still hate curmudgeon's corner? He nods. Yes, he does. 00:34:08.030 --> 00:34:10.910 Okay. All right. Good. So, okay. So that hasn't changed. Okay. 00:34:11.270 --> 00:34:16.650 So during the break, I did, like I said, I put a big red note on election graphs.com. 00:34:17.110 --> 00:34:22.670 Oops. I've been trying to do some up, some upgrades to the site and instead broke a bunch of stuff. 00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:26.490 Don't trust anything you see at the moment. I'm working on it. Come back later. 00:34:26.890 --> 00:34:27.790 Good job, Sam. 00:34:28.410 --> 00:34:32.090 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are some things that are still correct, 00:34:32.290 --> 00:34:36.030 but like there's a lot that's not. So yeah. 00:34:36.270 --> 00:34:39.530 Anyway, hopefully this will be fixed by the end of the weekend. 00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:44.170 Hopefully it'll be fixed tonight, but realistically, maybe not. 00:34:44.290 --> 00:34:46.170 We'll see. Cause I'm tired anyway. 00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:48.890 So somebody else was tired. Yvonne. 00:34:49.950 --> 00:34:53.310 You mean the, the president of the United States? 00:34:53.830 --> 00:34:56.370 Yes. the president of the united states. 00:34:56.370 --> 00:35:00.610 I'm gonna okay you know i 00:35:00.610 --> 00:35:03.230 don't i don't i don't know 00:35:03.230 --> 00:35:07.570 if it's worth going over any of the details of 00:35:07.570 --> 00:35:11.590 the debate here here's my take about the the actual details 00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:14.690 of the debate itself yeah and it's 00:35:14.690 --> 00:35:17.870 and and a reason why i i haven't like really watched 00:35:17.870 --> 00:35:21.430 a lot of these things in recent times it's more 00:35:21.430 --> 00:35:25.070 important what whatever the conversation around 00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:28.730 it is than anything that actually happens okay 00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:31.730 yes yeah i mean you 00:35:31.730 --> 00:35:36.210 know because that's irrelevant it doesn't matter it doesn't matter how i view 00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:43.070 it because that that you know that it's just my view and i have my perspective 00:35:43.070 --> 00:35:47.890 on what i believe about each of the candidates and so that that's it's really 00:35:47.890 --> 00:35:49.610 irrelevant. What's irrelevant is what, 00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:57.610 People's takeaways are from the thing. And so with that in mind, 00:35:57.770 --> 00:36:02.830 you know, this, this morning was a morning of quite a lot of, 00:36:02.830 --> 00:36:08.030 well, even last night and this morning has been of quite a lot of aggressive 00:36:08.030 --> 00:36:10.390 reactions by many people, 00:36:10.490 --> 00:36:14.810 you know, in, in the democratic side. I mean, I, I just saw. 00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:19.850 So, so since we didn't say it, let's just start with the fact. 00:36:19.970 --> 00:36:25.650 Yeah. All of this reaction has been due to the near universal feelings that 00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:28.490 Joe Biden did not do well at this debate. 00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:28.910 Correct. 00:36:28.990 --> 00:36:35.810 And Donald Trump had his issues, but had to had Donald Trump came off better 00:36:35.810 --> 00:36:42.130 from a certain perspectives than than Joe Biden, at least relative to expectations. 00:36:42.130 --> 00:36:45.570 Like, I think that that's the key thing. 00:36:45.670 --> 00:36:51.010 Relative to expectations, Donald Trump significantly overperformed relative 00:36:51.010 --> 00:36:56.550 to the average expectation and Biden significantly underperformed. 00:36:56.730 --> 00:36:58.670 Yeah, that's the reality. 00:36:58.670 --> 00:37:03.750 I mean, when we talked about this debate over the last couple of weeks, 00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:06.770 we basically, we were focused on Donald Trump. 00:37:06.930 --> 00:37:11.890 We were like, look, in all of his recent public appearances, 00:37:12.270 --> 00:37:18.390 he's seemed scattered and addled and like not coherent, particularly. 00:37:18.810 --> 00:37:19.550 And tired. 00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:27.330 And tired and whatever. The Donald Trump that showed up to the debate was the 00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:33.250 usual sort of lying bastard without a sense for the truth or without any morals 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:36.570 and with horrible policy ideas. 00:37:36.790 --> 00:37:39.290 But he was energetic. 00:37:39.290 --> 00:37:40.410 He was energetic. 00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:46.670 He was forceful. He was able, he was responding quickly on his feet. 00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:52.970 Meanwhile, the Joe Biden we got was not the Joe Biden from the state of the 00:37:52.970 --> 00:37:54.530 union or certain other events. 00:37:54.850 --> 00:37:58.470 He, he had a cold. yeah he 00:37:58.470 --> 00:38:01.290 his his voice was not 00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:04.390 strong he looked tired 00:38:04.390 --> 00:38:07.230 he would like just as he was standing there 00:38:07.230 --> 00:38:11.230 he often just had his mouth open while he was looking at donald trump giving 00:38:11.230 --> 00:38:17.790 his answers and then at various points in the conversation he sort of was trying 00:38:17.790 --> 00:38:22.590 to rattle off some things and sort of got lost and confused as to what he was 00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:26.050 trying to say and had to circle back and And basically, 00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:29.130 it was just not a good look for Joe Biden at all. 00:38:29.410 --> 00:38:40.670 And so to what you were starting to say, the entire political universe on the left has been in – well, 00:38:40.970 --> 00:38:45.250 I want to split this up into a couple of groups. There's some –. 00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:49.450 That have always been anti-Biden who are like, I told you so, 00:38:49.590 --> 00:38:51.210 you should have dumped him a long time ago. 00:38:51.690 --> 00:38:55.650 There are a lot of people who are Biden supporters who seem to be in somewhat of a panic. 00:38:56.270 --> 00:39:02.670 Meanwhile, of course, the MAGA guys are gloating and are very excited about how well their guy did. 00:39:02.870 --> 00:39:06.930 And they're also like, we told you so, Joe Biden's going senile, blah, blah, blah. 00:39:07.770 --> 00:39:15.570 And so it's been a spiral of negativity from the moment the debate started frankly 00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:19.110 i mean i i've sent my first negative comment about oh shit this isn't going 00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:21.410 well within like a minute like. 00:39:21.410 --> 00:39:24.970 Like in the first minute first couple of minutes yeah yeah it was very quickly. 00:39:24.970 --> 00:39:32.210 Yeah and and but it's spiraled to like all kinds of people talking about how 00:39:32.210 --> 00:39:37.570 joe biden should pull out talking about brokered conventions talking about like 00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:41.630 one one person even suggested that he should resign the presidency not just 00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:43.830 the candidacy yeah you know the. 00:39:43.830 --> 00:39:45.410 New york times editorial board. 00:39:45.410 --> 00:39:45.810 Is saying. 00:39:45.810 --> 00:39:48.650 That he should resign which is just i i. 00:39:48.650 --> 00:39:52.270 Not run or resign from the presidency or. 00:39:52.270 --> 00:39:53.250 Not run right. 00:39:53.250 --> 00:39:56.810 Because one person said he should resign from the presidency but right. 00:39:56.810 --> 00:40:02.530 Right okay but but can i look i'm gonna Today, like later in the afternoon, 00:40:02.630 --> 00:40:07.910 as I was driving home from my long day, one thing dawned upon me very quickly. 00:40:09.870 --> 00:40:16.950 We did have a conversation at our late lunch about this, but one thing dawned upon me very quickly. 00:40:17.950 --> 00:40:25.230 You know, Sam, that in two weeks, no one is going to remember this fucking thing. 00:40:25.890 --> 00:40:27.610 But let me listen. 00:40:28.190 --> 00:40:30.250 Yeah, okay, finish, and then I'll counter. 00:40:30.570 --> 00:40:35.370 Okay, maybe they'll remember it, but it's immaterial. 00:40:35.510 --> 00:40:41.510 And I'm going to tell you, look, you remember when the Grab Him By The Pussy tapes came out? 00:40:42.150 --> 00:40:42.990 Yes, I do. 00:40:42.990 --> 00:40:50.410 How quickly after that did anybody not give two fucks about what's-his-name 00:40:50.410 --> 00:40:52.190 and the Grambyte pussy tapes? 00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:56.910 Well, it's all a question of what news comes up to supplant it, right? 00:40:57.410 --> 00:41:01.430 Correct. Well, here's the thing that's coming to supplant it, Sam. 00:41:01.810 --> 00:41:03.570 The Supreme Court ruling on Monday? 00:41:04.010 --> 00:41:04.470 No. 00:41:05.470 --> 00:41:06.510 Trump's sentencing? 00:41:07.010 --> 00:41:12.510 That's right. And that's coming up pretty damn soon. 00:41:12.990 --> 00:41:16.870 Okay and i i'm just like it's. 00:41:16.870 --> 00:41:18.470 On the 11th i think right. 00:41:18.470 --> 00:41:21.430 On the 11th yeah let me 00:41:21.430 --> 00:41:24.830 tell you something these cycles with 00:41:24.830 --> 00:41:28.150 this shit okay i mean 00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:31.430 listen if this is not 00:41:31.430 --> 00:41:34.690 forgotten just like the state 00:41:34.690 --> 00:41:37.730 of the union right was what february yeah 00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:40.610 how quickly did people forget about the state 00:41:40.610 --> 00:41:43.990 of the union and i mean 50 about a large 00:41:43.990 --> 00:41:46.910 number of people saw that too okay yeah yeah 00:41:46.910 --> 00:41:52.830 i mean how quickly now it seems that nobody remembers that three weeks ago we're 00:41:52.830 --> 00:41:58.450 all jumping up and down in joy because trump was convicted he was convinced 00:41:58.450 --> 00:42:02.850 that he's now a convicted felon yeah it doesn't seem like it was an eternity 00:42:02.850 --> 00:42:04.990 when trump was convicted it's. 00:42:04.990 --> 00:42:06.110 Always been that way hasn't it. 00:42:06.110 --> 00:42:10.010 Yeah and so So attention. 00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:14.270 Spans are really small. Lots of people still aren't focused. 00:42:14.470 --> 00:42:16.290 But look, I mean, here's everybody. 00:42:16.450 --> 00:42:27.090 Listen here. But look, the reality is that related to what we saw and from what 00:42:27.090 --> 00:42:29.590 I've been hearing, because I was out talking to people, 00:42:29.690 --> 00:42:32.550 listen, most people have these opinions formed already. 00:42:32.830 --> 00:42:33.390 Yeah. 00:42:33.710 --> 00:42:36.350 Biden's old. Trump's a piece of shit. 00:42:36.350 --> 00:42:39.590 Well, we've, we've always said everything is about the margins. 00:42:39.630 --> 00:42:45.490 Like, you know, there, there's this small slice of people who actually could 00:42:45.490 --> 00:42:46.450 change what they're doing. 00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:51.050 But the question is about this, right? And, and that's the question is what 00:42:51.050 --> 00:42:53.990 the hell their reaction is to this. 00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:57.370 And will they remember it by the time it's supposed to matter? 00:42:57.710 --> 00:43:04.690 Okay. When we're talking that it's June and the election is in November. Okay. Okay. 00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:16.530 And so again, I really think that this entire crazy, ridiculous reaction is, is, 00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:22.650 is way over the top because as much as Biden under, you know, 00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:30.650 did not come off, did not perform well yesterday and he didn't, and he didn't. Okay. 00:43:30.710 --> 00:43:38.490 I agree that he didn't. And I'm just, you know, maybe I think that one of the 00:43:38.490 --> 00:43:44.670 things that I measured today that colors my thinking about this is that, I don't know. 00:43:44.750 --> 00:43:53.150 I mean, you and I have seen Biden in the public stage for what, over 30 years. 00:43:53.150 --> 00:44:02.730 OK, Biden had a fucking presidential campaign already derailed by him, 00:44:02.910 --> 00:44:06.250 his mistakes in public speaking. 00:44:06.650 --> 00:44:12.290 Literally, this is what derailed one of his first presidential campaigns, 00:44:12.550 --> 00:44:19.890 a series of gaffes that he kept committing that were related to him in public. 00:44:19.890 --> 00:44:22.850 Public he has been he went 00:44:22.850 --> 00:44:26.150 to this debate obviously prepared 00:44:26.150 --> 00:44:29.930 for the wrong type of debate he was 00:44:29.930 --> 00:44:34.610 like focused on the minutiae and the stuff and basically what they should have 00:44:34.610 --> 00:44:40.830 done is let him rest fuck whatever the details are and just have him up there 00:44:40.830 --> 00:44:47.550 and be forceful even if the facts are all wrong because nobody gives a fuck about the facts i. 00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:53.910 I couldn't like Like, I had this conversation briefly with somebody on Mastodon, 00:44:53.950 --> 00:45:00.330 like, where I was like, you know, he was badly prepared for this debate. 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:05.290 And they're like, he was well prepared at Camp David, seven days. 00:45:05.890 --> 00:45:09.510 And we're talking about the most professional politicos in the world. 00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:13.010 The prep was world class. And I'm like, look. 00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:14.730 Prepared for what? 00:45:14.730 --> 00:45:20.250 What is it? Unfortunately, and I don't understand it because this same mistake 00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:24.730 has been made over and over again by incumbent presidents coming into their 00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:27.790 first debates like and other candidates too. 00:45:27.910 --> 00:45:32.450 It's like they always are stuffing them full of facts and saying, 00:45:32.450 --> 00:45:35.550 right, you got to memorize these things and you got to make sure to hit these 00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:37.710 talking points and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:45:37.890 --> 00:45:42.170 And almost invariably the candidate who does that. 00:45:43.030 --> 00:45:48.090 Comes off looking badly. And then there's a round of people saying, 00:45:48.150 --> 00:45:51.890 you got to just let the candidate be the candidate, let them be themselves, 00:45:52.450 --> 00:45:57.310 you know, and all of this kind of stuff, because you made them, 00:45:57.390 --> 00:46:02.890 they, they come off as unnatural, even if they do it well, they come off as unnatural. 00:46:02.990 --> 00:46:07.150 And if they do it badly, like Joe Biden did, it just is disastrous. 00:46:07.450 --> 00:46:10.710 Now, having said that Is the prep all of it? 00:46:10.750 --> 00:46:15.510 This person who was talking to me was just going on about how it's clearly dementia, 00:46:15.830 --> 00:46:17.330 he's sundowning, blah, blah, blah. 00:46:18.350 --> 00:46:22.230 Well, is the prep all of it? Well, here's the problem. If they knew that he 00:46:22.230 --> 00:46:24.570 had a cold, the question was... 00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:25.930 It's a no-win scenario. What do you do? 00:46:26.510 --> 00:46:30.250 Exactly. Because I'm like, okay. Because one call could have been, 00:46:30.350 --> 00:46:32.010 fuck it. We're canceled. 00:46:32.810 --> 00:46:39.490 You know? We're canceled. canceling but man that would have looked very bad 00:46:39.490 --> 00:46:43.830 that would have looked off right to just go and cancel it. 00:46:43.830 --> 00:46:45.590 Was a no-win scenario it. 00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:52.370 Was a no-win scenario and so you agreed to this and they. 00:46:52.370 --> 00:46:56.030 Should have had been a full isolation protocol for two weeks before the debate. 00:46:56.030 --> 00:47:00.530 Yeah basically Basically, but you know, so, but you had it. 00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:06.650 So that was, that would have been also a problem, but maybe not as bad. 00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:07.570 Yeah. 00:47:07.730 --> 00:47:08.750 Is what I'm thinking. 00:47:08.870 --> 00:47:09.110 Yeah. 00:47:09.770 --> 00:47:14.570 I, I, I'm thinking that, you know, people get sick, you know, 00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:18.390 whatever you say, listen, you're, you're, you know, just cancel it. 00:47:18.710 --> 00:47:24.310 Well, the thing is like the, and I, I put a lot of it on the prep as well as 00:47:24.310 --> 00:47:27.250 the being sick because immediately after the stupid debate. 00:47:27.410 --> 00:47:34.790 He went to like a watch party that, and like watching him on the, on video, 00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:39.290 like meeting and greeting at that watch party and the little remarks he gave 00:47:39.290 --> 00:47:43.470 at the beginning, he was instantly miles better than he'd been at the debate. 00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:46.710 And then let alone the rally he had on Friday. 00:47:47.990 --> 00:47:54.630 I think it goes back. Listen, but the prep part, listen, the prep part, listen, the prep part. 00:47:54.750 --> 00:47:58.110 Yeah. Let me just say this. The prep part. We're under... 00:48:00.730 --> 00:48:03.990 The prep, I'm sure it wasn't just about the details. 00:48:04.530 --> 00:48:09.770 I think that based on the debate rules, okay, they said, well, 00:48:10.010 --> 00:48:11.810 this is what's going to work. 00:48:12.310 --> 00:48:16.910 Because I kept thinking of, based on the rules as they were written, 00:48:17.050 --> 00:48:22.670 I remember some old debates a long time ago where a question would be asked, 00:48:22.890 --> 00:48:27.930 one candidate would answer, the other candidate had a time to rebut, 00:48:27.970 --> 00:48:29.370 the other candidate had time. 00:48:29.370 --> 00:48:31.950 Time and the time was strictly managed. 00:48:32.150 --> 00:48:36.990 And that was that. Based on what I saw in the rules, that's what it looked like would happen. 00:48:37.310 --> 00:48:41.670 But I was not watching the debate. But the one thing that they had on the New 00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:48.650 York Times page was this thing that measured how much time was being given to each candidate to talk. 00:48:48.970 --> 00:48:55.030 And the reality is that I guess the Biden folks, maybe they thought, 00:48:55.030 --> 00:49:02.510 you know the cnn was going to manage the time but they sure as hell did not they let trump talk. 00:49:03.490 --> 00:49:10.570 Way longer on every question than than biden had they weren't managing hey it's 00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:14.390 like because i remember i'm thinking debate no you have one minute then you 00:49:14.390 --> 00:49:21.750 got minutes to rebut no so they They were letting them talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. 00:49:21.810 --> 00:49:29.430 And Biden thinking, well, all I got to do is respond and, you know, 00:49:29.450 --> 00:49:32.610 say my details about this and then we're done. 00:49:33.090 --> 00:49:36.230 And we're going to just let Trump look crazy. 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:40.410 And the problem is that that really didn't work. 00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:46.020 Well, no, it doesn't work. First of all, the fact that Trump is crazy is baked 00:49:46.020 --> 00:49:47.640 in. Everybody has known that for years. 00:49:48.040 --> 00:49:53.560 But second, like, and Democrats in general, and I hate to paint with a broad 00:49:53.560 --> 00:49:56.400 brush, but it's a recurring theme. 00:49:57.120 --> 00:50:01.660 Democrats in general like to be wonks. They like to talk policy. 00:50:01.660 --> 00:50:07.660 They like to talk like government and how it works and like the details of how, 00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:12.520 you know, how things we're going to do this and then that's going to do this. 00:50:12.580 --> 00:50:15.100 And this is why it's good for you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.500 And that doesn't resonate with the general public. 00:50:21.080 --> 00:50:27.020 Now, for folks like us who are into those details and follow things closely. 00:50:27.340 --> 00:50:31.960 OK, yeah, that sounds great. Great. But for the wide audience, 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:37.400 it's all about the emotional connection and how you make people feel. 00:50:37.820 --> 00:50:42.980 It's not about the specifics of your damn policy. 00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:49.040 Like, yes, like the specifics of your policy matter when you're governing, 00:50:49.220 --> 00:50:52.420 when you're running for office, 00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:58.300 like they are, they are sort of the, they look, I'm not saying ignore policy 00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:04.520 policy does matter, but the thing that's going to get people out is you have 00:51:04.520 --> 00:51:07.100 to excite them. You have to make them feel good. 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:13.560 You have to like, you have to appeal to their emotions, not to their brains. 00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:17.340 Like appealing to the brain is always a sure way to lose. 00:51:17.640 --> 00:51:20.560 Well, I mean, I think it's just, 00:51:21.490 --> 00:51:25.310 I mean, you mentioned policy specifics, but, you know, and you're right. 00:51:25.450 --> 00:51:31.530 If you went and I saw somebody that said, listen, if you pull down the transcript 00:51:31.530 --> 00:51:34.390 of the debate, forget about looking at it. 00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:36.910 And you just read the transcripts. 00:51:36.970 --> 00:51:37.450 Yes. 00:51:37.570 --> 00:51:42.410 You would have thought, ah, this went okay. You know, maybe a draw. 00:51:42.490 --> 00:51:47.490 I mean, you know, Trump said just a whole bunch of, and you actually, 00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:49.130 you might have thought that Biden won. 00:51:49.130 --> 00:51:51.770 Because you know like i mean i was 00:51:51.770 --> 00:51:57.110 looking at some of the crazy shit that trump said yesterday that nobody is focusing 00:51:57.110 --> 00:52:03.830 on today on abortion for example well apparently by the way i i didn't know 00:52:03.830 --> 00:52:10.090 sam i there's there's black the black jobs did you uh. 00:52:10.090 --> 00:52:12.590 Yeah yeah yeah. 00:52:12.590 --> 00:52:16.010 Yeah well in other times i 00:52:16.010 --> 00:52:19.690 mean people would have been fucking focused on 00:52:19.690 --> 00:52:22.870 this kind of shit okay i mean 00:52:22.870 --> 00:52:25.590 black jobs sam what what the fuck are 00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:30.150 the black jobs you want to explain to me what the fuck the black jobs are i 00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:36.090 guess janna i'm sure that in his mind it's fucking you know i guess uh you know 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:41.050 picking cotton and cleaning floors is that what it is uh-huh but that's what 00:52:41.050 --> 00:52:43.230 he said on the fucking stage Yeah. 00:52:43.310 --> 00:52:43.570 I know. 00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:51.030 I got people going crazy because Biden sounded tired when that fucker said that on stage. 00:52:52.350 --> 00:52:52.870 Yes. 00:52:53.470 --> 00:53:02.630 I mean, seriously. So I'm going to, you know, I will go back. 00:53:02.650 --> 00:53:06.030 And I think that the guy that probably had the best perspective on this, 00:53:06.090 --> 00:53:09.390 because he's unfortunately had to live through this, was Fetter. 00:53:11.410 --> 00:53:19.550 Fetterman today basically said, and he literally said, replied how I said, fuck all of you. 00:53:21.590 --> 00:53:23.230 And he literally said it. 00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:26.470 And thank you. Thank you, John, for channeling me. Okay. 00:53:26.710 --> 00:53:32.170 He said, listen, I've had the bad debate like this where everybody basically 00:53:32.170 --> 00:53:37.930 said that I should quit the race because that happened to Fetterman at the debate. 00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:42.810 Okay. And what he said is like, you know what? Fuck all of you. 00:53:43.570 --> 00:53:45.530 This is just moronic. 00:53:48.570 --> 00:53:54.570 I don't, you know, the whole problem with this replace them thing. 00:53:54.890 --> 00:53:57.470 Okay. Start off with where all these people. 00:53:57.970 --> 00:54:00.750 Yes. Yeah. There are a few. Go ahead. 00:54:01.530 --> 00:54:12.350 It's just this man. Most of the information tells you that this is a bad idea. 00:54:13.030 --> 00:54:15.650 That it probably guarantees a Trump win. 00:54:16.510 --> 00:54:19.890 That's the that's that's all any 00:54:19.890 --> 00:54:23.230 other time that a presidential candidate has 00:54:23.230 --> 00:54:26.130 like harry truman for example or lyndon 00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:29.550 johnson whoever the fuck it was okay i 00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:32.370 decided not to run it's been bad 00:54:32.370 --> 00:54:35.490 every other time that we've had a candidate who 00:54:35.490 --> 00:54:39.650 has been the incumbent okay even 00:54:39.650 --> 00:54:43.170 you know with issues shoes they have 00:54:43.170 --> 00:54:46.230 had a tailwind that has made them over perform 00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:49.330 versus whatever the fuck the polls 00:54:49.330 --> 00:54:53.830 have said bush in 2004 with 00:54:53.830 --> 00:54:57.150 the gulf war with all this shit with bad 00:54:57.150 --> 00:55:04.310 debates because he had bad debates right okay what and still one okay and he 00:55:04.310 --> 00:55:12.430 had all of this shit behind him trump barely lost okay and he had a pandemic 00:55:12.430 --> 00:55:15.670 that killed millions and the guy. 00:55:16.970 --> 00:55:19.710 Way over performed what the 00:55:19.710 --> 00:55:22.830 fuck the polling said polling was saying months before oh 00:55:22.830 --> 00:55:25.930 my god biden's this should be a you 00:55:25.930 --> 00:55:28.970 know eight points whatever the fuck 00:55:28.970 --> 00:55:32.130 it was and it was way closer 00:55:32.130 --> 00:55:34.990 than that i mean it really came down to 00:55:34.990 --> 00:55:38.630 just a few fucking thousand votes in multiple states right 00:55:38.630 --> 00:55:41.590 and so and and that is a 00:55:41.590 --> 00:55:45.490 testament to the fucking advantage of the incumbency. 00:55:45.490 --> 00:55:48.590 Scene because people wind up 00:55:48.590 --> 00:55:51.530 at the moment that they get up there they're thinking about 00:55:51.530 --> 00:55:56.670 well the psychopath or fuck 00:55:56.670 --> 00:56:02.270 i stay with this old guy like right now who you know i mean he's done pretty 00:56:02.270 --> 00:56:07.130 decent but but he's old and senile whatever the fuck else they say about him 00:56:07.130 --> 00:56:15.390 you know and that for whatever the hell reason historically has had significant weight Well. 00:56:15.470 --> 00:56:23.450 Here's the thing, too. The difference between some of the historical examples, 00:56:23.630 --> 00:56:28.830 because almost every incumbent president who has had a bad first debate performance, 00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:32.930 and there are a number of reasons why that might be, but this is the first one 00:56:32.930 --> 00:56:40.510 that's had this level of reaction to it with all the calls to drop out and this 00:56:40.510 --> 00:56:41.730 and that. And here's the thing. 00:56:41.950 --> 00:56:47.590 The reaction to the debate is far more damaging than the debate itself. 00:56:48.070 --> 00:56:53.170 Oh, I agree. But here's one thing about this. I think, okay, 00:56:53.290 --> 00:56:58.390 but we are also in a situation that is far different. 00:56:58.590 --> 00:57:03.450 And I think the Democrats, because the Democrats are far more scared. 00:57:03.450 --> 00:57:06.050 You say, this isn't 2004. 00:57:08.030 --> 00:57:10.450 This isn't 92. 00:57:12.870 --> 00:57:18.950 You're not thinking that the other guy is going to try a coup. 00:57:20.270 --> 00:57:24.030 I'm wondering why the overreaction? 00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:28.390 That's why the overreaction. Okay. I really think that that, 00:57:28.390 --> 00:57:35.050 you know, there is in America, in a large part of America. 00:57:36.110 --> 00:57:40.970 And I'm talking about for not voters, just adults in general, 00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:50.250 a sense of fear about Trump getting back to the presidency, a sense of fear 00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:53.730 that is not, I'm worried about Romney being president. 00:57:54.610 --> 00:57:54.650 Right. 00:57:55.010 --> 00:57:59.710 And I think that's why the overreaction is so bad. 00:57:59.890 --> 00:58:05.450 I mean, we've had fucking people have bad debates before or bad performances or whatever. 00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:11.630 I just think that the level of of panic is is related to the level of what they 00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:16.050 see, probably not incorrectly, as the threat of a Trump presidency. 00:58:16.190 --> 00:58:25.450 But but again, the problem is why the fuck why the fuck did in 2020 we wind 00:58:25.450 --> 00:58:26.850 up with Biden as a candidate? 00:58:26.930 --> 00:58:29.850 Hell, I didn't even vote for Biden, the fucking primary. 00:58:29.990 --> 00:58:32.830 OK, and I like Joe. 00:58:33.010 --> 00:58:39.070 Okay. But for some fucking reason, most of the voters in the democratic party 00:58:39.070 --> 00:58:41.570 wound up voting for Biden. 00:58:41.930 --> 00:58:46.570 Okay. And my philosophy is like, look, I like Joe. 00:58:46.710 --> 00:58:50.330 It wasn't my first choice and I'm going to support Joe. 00:58:50.470 --> 00:58:57.430 And like right now, no credible opponent showed up. You've got Joe there. 00:58:57.890 --> 00:59:03.790 And Joe is Joe. I mean, that's what he is. 00:59:03.990 --> 00:59:08.150 And I'm just like, what the fuck? 00:59:08.770 --> 00:59:16.650 Why are you guys trying to put in a fix that the reality is that if you look 00:59:16.650 --> 00:59:22.710 at the data, it probably makes it worse for November. 00:59:23.270 --> 00:59:29.590 Okay? I don't see how any of the options makes it better. 00:59:30.090 --> 00:59:34.050 Well, there are a couple of things here. 00:59:34.130 --> 00:59:39.290 One, I think you're right that part of the reason for the panic is that people 00:59:39.290 --> 00:59:42.590 are like, Donald Trump is so bad. 00:59:42.790 --> 00:59:45.350 The risks of him winning are really high. 00:59:45.670 --> 00:59:53.590 The other part of it is people are not taking this as he had one bad debate. 00:59:54.130 --> 01:00:00.070 They are taking it as this is proof that folks were right all along. 01:00:00.190 --> 01:00:04.570 And like the, the, the, the people on the far left and the MAGA folks, 01:00:04.750 --> 01:00:09.450 when they're saying, you know, dementia Joe, and that he's losing it and he's 01:00:09.450 --> 01:00:12.450 diminished and he can't handle the job. 01:00:13.250 --> 01:00:17.270 But here, here's the fucking problem. I, my, my thing is that, 01:00:17.290 --> 01:00:21.390 yeah, they're taking is proof of dementia. And I'm like, what dementia? 01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:27.950 All he, you know, he stumbled, he was slow, he had a raspy voice. 01:00:28.930 --> 01:00:32.450 It's a fucking dementia. The fuck is wrong with all of you? 01:00:33.130 --> 01:00:37.750 And again, like the event immediately after the debate, he pepped up and he 01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:45.650 was happy and he had energy and he did a rally in North Carolina on Friday afternoon and it was good. 01:00:45.870 --> 01:00:46.430 Right. 01:00:46.590 --> 01:00:52.050 It was, I mean, again, he was energetic, he was passionate, he was whatever. 01:00:52.530 --> 01:00:57.390 And like for both of those things, I'm like, why the hell didn't that guy show 01:00:57.390 --> 01:01:01.310 up at the fucking debate, you know, like, and, and, you know, 01:01:01.330 --> 01:01:03.990 maybe he's just feeling a little bit better than he was. 01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:08.570 Maybe it was the over-preparation. I don't know, but I am not, 01:01:08.570 --> 01:01:12.370 you know, and people are like, well, you know, that's how like, 01:01:12.490 --> 01:01:14.650 you know, mental decline goes. 01:01:14.790 --> 01:01:18.110 You have your good moments and your bad moments. And I'm sure that's true, 01:01:18.250 --> 01:01:25.270 but like, and you know, So the person on Mastodon said, I'm in denial. 01:01:25.450 --> 01:01:32.610 You know, I'm like, you know, if and here's the thing, too, like part of it 01:01:32.610 --> 01:01:37.530 for me is if something does happen to Joe, I'm fine with Kamala. 01:01:38.050 --> 01:01:42.590 So am I. I mean, that's the thing. Well, I'm like, oh, my God. 01:01:42.670 --> 01:01:43.910 So what happens if Joe dies? 01:01:44.070 --> 01:01:47.150 Well, fuck. I mean, so you've got Kamala. What's the problem? 01:01:47.690 --> 01:01:48.090 Right. 01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:53.550 I mean, that's been my thing. I mean, I'm like, what is the fucking problem? 01:01:53.730 --> 01:01:55.310 What the hell is the fucking problem? 01:01:55.910 --> 01:01:58.470 I mean, I don't get it. 01:01:58.790 --> 01:02:00.370 And honestly, I would not be 01:02:00.370 --> 01:02:06.110 surprised if Joe Biden wins if he doesn't serve out the full four years. 01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:10.030 Like, four years is a long time at that age. 01:02:10.230 --> 01:02:14.750 A lot can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he decided his health 01:02:14.750 --> 01:02:17.330 was declining, he wanted to spend time with his family, whatever, 01:02:17.530 --> 01:02:20.870 and handed it over to Kamala. And the thing is, I'm okay with that. 01:02:21.050 --> 01:02:24.710 But of course, like the MAGA folks are like, you vote for Joe, 01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:26.350 you're actually getting Kamala. 01:02:26.490 --> 01:02:29.690 Like, it's a bad thing, you know, but I mean. 01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:35.610 Right. Why, why is that a bad thing? The main thing about this, 01:02:35.690 --> 01:02:40.990 all this shit that we're talking about is shit that I've already heard repeated 01:02:40.990 --> 01:02:43.830 over and over the negative things about Biden. 01:02:43.830 --> 01:02:51.410 And and I think that from what I what I keep seeing is that there there is a 01:02:51.410 --> 01:02:57.510 number of people that have had that perspective the entire time and they will 01:02:57.510 --> 01:02:59.950 never get off of it. It doesn't matter what Biden does. 01:03:00.410 --> 01:03:02.350 It doesn't matter what Biden does. 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:06.540 He's old, he's senile, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. 01:03:07.080 --> 01:03:12.480 And they have been saying that for shit. I mean, since he was, 01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:15.460 since he ran the first time around it. 01:03:15.520 --> 01:03:20.620 So, so I just don't see how you move these people off of that. 01:03:21.160 --> 01:03:25.120 No, but, but I think one thing is true and like, you're right. 01:03:25.160 --> 01:03:27.600 There are going to be news events that push this off the headlines, 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:32.940 but I think Joe and he started already with that rally on Friday. 01:03:33.200 --> 01:03:39.500 But he has to turn this narrative around because right now it's like spiraling. 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:46.700 Listen, he has to. Okay. Listen, I turned a narrative around. 01:03:47.620 --> 01:03:51.440 Like he needs to be having events like with the one he had in North Carolina, 01:03:51.600 --> 01:03:53.020 like every freaking day. 01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:57.100 No, no, no. I get that. But, but I, but, but listen, I, I. 01:03:57.100 --> 01:04:02.380 He, he has to show that he has to show that the debate was an aberration, not the norm. 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:05.240 Well, okay, now that's correct. 01:04:06.520 --> 01:04:11.040 But all that does, all that does... 01:04:11.970 --> 01:04:19.690 Is maybe it just it just shuts down the volume of these people that are screaming 01:04:19.690 --> 01:04:29.150 for biden to to you know to quit drop out and drop out that basically thought 01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:31.830 that all i thought that all along yeah. 01:04:31.830 --> 01:04:36.910 Like there's a lot of people in that boat who are who who never wanted biden 01:04:36.910 --> 01:04:39.270 never liked Biden and this is their excuse. 01:04:39.970 --> 01:04:44.750 You know, like we've been saying forever, everybody's like, are these really the two choices? 01:04:44.810 --> 01:04:52.950 And are desperate for any thread to hang on to of some scenario that gets you 01:04:52.950 --> 01:04:55.010 to somebody else besides these two. 01:04:55.210 --> 01:05:00.110 And look, at the moment, like people have been talking about the rules of the 01:05:00.110 --> 01:05:03.130 DNC and committed delegates and blah, blah, blah. 01:05:03.390 --> 01:05:11.110 Basically, the only way for Biden not to end up the nominee is if he chooses not to be the nominee. 01:05:11.330 --> 01:05:18.990 There is not a reasonable mechanism for the delegates to abandon him in flight 01:05:18.990 --> 01:05:24.430 because they are bound by the votes in the primaries for the first ballot, 01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:25.510 and he's got enough to win. 01:05:26.450 --> 01:05:30.910 So people have been talking about scenarios where, well, maybe we can get Jill 01:05:30.910 --> 01:05:32.850 Biden to To convince him not to run. 01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:36.710 Or maybe Obama can go talk to him. Or something like that. 01:05:37.870 --> 01:05:42.590 But again. Sam. Here's one thing. Anything about. 01:05:43.950 --> 01:05:45.450 I think it would hurt. 01:05:46.590 --> 01:05:50.510 And that's my point. I'm like okay. You know what. I'm like okay. 01:05:51.150 --> 01:05:56.030 Because a lot of people are saying. Biden doesn't run. But not really giving 01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:58.110 me. What the hell is a compelling. 01:05:58.970 --> 01:06:05.370 Thing that we can do. that wins this election by having your incumbent president not run again. 01:06:06.200 --> 01:06:12.800 I'm, you know, I, I just, I'm, I, I, I, I, because if there was every. 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.980 Other potential candidate has their own negatives. 01:06:15.020 --> 01:06:15.400 Yeah. 01:06:15.540 --> 01:06:21.480 Now, you know, like people talk about Kamala, but frankly, you know, 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:25.420 a lot of people didn't like her last time around, uh, 01:06:25.780 --> 01:06:30.780 in, in the primaries and Republicans, like a whole bunch of Republicans have, 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.020 are going to have issues with both the black part and the woman part. 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.620 No, no kidding. 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:40.680 And so like you got a bunch of swing voters that like people always used to 01:06:40.680 --> 01:06:44.320 say that Hillary Clinton lost 5% right off the top just because of sexism. 01:06:44.420 --> 01:06:47.540 I think Kamala would be up against the same kind of fight. 01:06:47.660 --> 01:06:49.640 Now I think she might be able to do it. 01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:54.100 But, and the fact that she's African American and that. 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:59.720 And you know, so, but you know what, you're going to go with Newsome from California. 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.940 Like most people don't know him. 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:06.320 You know, that carries a lot of baggage. Well, Well, I think people know him, 01:07:06.340 --> 01:07:09.900 but Newsom has a lot of baggage, you know. 01:07:10.680 --> 01:07:15.680 Well, junkies like us knew him. If you pick a random person off the street in 01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:17.020 Idaho, they have no idea. 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:21.540 They wouldn't know who the fuck he is. I mean, that's my point. 01:07:21.580 --> 01:07:31.700 Who the fuck are you putting up that really is known and as a well-known quantity as, 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:38.760 say, Obama obama or or or biden or hillary clinton for that matter any any of 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:44.160 those who who the fuck is and the answer is nobody you've got nobody that you 01:07:44.160 --> 01:07:48.340 you really don't have a good option well. 01:07:48.340 --> 01:07:54.200 So like the the one guy who is suggesting obama resign from the presidency not just not run are. 01:07:54.200 --> 01:07:54.630 You Biden. 01:07:55.270 --> 01:07:56.670 Oh, Biden. Sorry. Yeah. 01:07:58.850 --> 01:07:59.650 I'm as... 01:07:59.650 --> 01:08:00.890 I mean, Obama's going to resign? 01:08:01.570 --> 01:08:07.950 I'm as old and cantankerous as Biden. No, but part of their theory for this, 01:08:08.090 --> 01:08:11.630 and I forget who it was, some talking head on one of the cable networks, blah, blah, blah. 01:08:11.970 --> 01:08:18.390 But they were a Democrat who was like, you let Kamala be president for a few months. 01:08:18.850 --> 01:08:23.230 That'll give her the boost she needs to win. 01:08:23.750 --> 01:08:28.230 But it's all super high risk. 01:08:28.290 --> 01:08:32.970 And I know what people are saying is like, well, leaving them there is high risk too. And that's why. 01:08:32.970 --> 01:08:37.590 It's a whole lot of less risk than fucking just plucking like Gavin Newsom and 01:08:37.590 --> 01:08:40.310 sticking them at the head of the ticket or. 01:08:40.310 --> 01:08:42.310 Whitmer or various other people. 01:08:42.330 --> 01:08:45.050 Or Whitmer or any, any of them. 01:08:45.410 --> 01:08:47.870 Yeah. And look, 01:08:49.180 --> 01:08:57.260 The thing is, any of these changing horse scenarios are super, super, super high risk. 01:08:57.360 --> 01:09:00.780 And I think people underestimate that. Because the thing is, 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.300 the Democrats look even weaker in that scenario. 01:09:04.440 --> 01:09:04.900 Hell yeah! 01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:11.080 It's not like, oh, they've done the right thing and now they've got somebody strong. 01:09:11.300 --> 01:09:17.160 It's like, look how disorganized and messy they are that they can't even blah, blah, blah. 01:09:17.820 --> 01:09:20.480 And i mean you can say all the same things about like the 01:09:20.480 --> 01:09:24.360 republicans picking trump but like you know convicted criminal 01:09:24.360 --> 01:09:28.120 and all this kind of stuff but you know i don't 01:09:28.120 --> 01:09:33.520 know like do i do i wish joe biden was younger yes yeah i wish he had do i wish 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:38.640 he had a little bit more like charisma yes do i wish that he was a bit more 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:44.440 energetic sure like we spent 2020 talking about 01:09:44.540 --> 01:09:49.620 how we really, really wanted somebody in a younger generation to, 01:09:49.700 --> 01:09:53.340 and we wanted these folks to pass the torch, but it didn't happen. 01:09:53.840 --> 01:10:00.040 You know, it didn't happen. And so, you know, and there was a lot of evidence 01:10:00.040 --> 01:10:03.000 that the younger folks would not have done as well as Biden. 01:10:03.900 --> 01:10:10.240 Biden won 2020 because he was like the, the, he was nobody's first choice, 01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:12.240 but lots of people were okay with him. 01:10:13.100 --> 01:10:16.420 And the problem is now there's a lot of people who are like, 01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:20.800 well, you know, we've had almost four years of him and you know, I'm not really happy. 01:10:21.360 --> 01:10:25.820 And they're not, and they're not the fact that like, what would Trump do? 01:10:25.980 --> 01:10:28.860 Ah, you know, well, he wasn't that bad. 01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:34.740 He'll be fine. You know, all these people are exaggerating about all the things 01:10:34.740 --> 01:10:36.780 they say about him, you know, blah, blah, blah. 01:10:37.740 --> 01:10:42.980 Uh, somebody with a Twitter handle reason versus fear called Lee. 01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:45.060 It says Lisa Brown tweeted. 01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:50.180 Oh my God, you guys, that Roosevelt guy is in a wheelchair. I'm going to have 01:10:50.180 --> 01:10:52.720 to switch my vote to Hitler. He looks strong. 01:10:53.320 --> 01:10:56.740 Yes. That is how stupid some of you sound. 01:10:57.820 --> 01:10:58.340 Yeah. 01:10:58.440 --> 01:11:02.120 I, you know, I, I, yeah. 01:11:02.620 --> 01:11:05.280 I mean, that, that's basically the crux of it. it i 01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:08.940 i just i mean the whole 01:11:08.940 --> 01:11:12.080 it's just this 01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:16.540 guy i mean i i just i i 01:11:16.540 --> 01:11:23.440 i really think and i i understand that my impression yeah which is one reason 01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:26.900 why i didn't didn't watch this because i'm pretty sure that it wasn't going 01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:32.620 to change my my opinion of either of them i mean i'm colored by having I haven't 01:11:32.620 --> 01:11:35.560 seen Joe Biden for 30 plus years. 01:11:36.240 --> 01:11:40.060 I mean, I just know what the hell I, I knew what the hell I'm getting. 01:11:41.200 --> 01:11:46.560 There's just so many people that basically probably for the first time ever 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.440 tuned into that, unfortunately. 01:11:50.240 --> 01:11:58.460 And, but I also, I also don't think that people are, how do I say? 01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:06.200 They're, they're not they're not 01:12:06.200 --> 01:12:09.880 they're not really looking at 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:13.660 this from any 01:12:13.660 --> 01:12:17.160 other perspective other than the tone 01:12:17.160 --> 01:12:19.940 of their voice i think it was pete that 01:12:19.940 --> 01:12:23.200 shared this cartoon showing some guy 01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:29.440 coming up to somebody at the office you know and it's that guy had a nice voice 01:12:29.440 --> 01:12:35.020 but was lying or whatever and yeah oh that's so great but the this other guy 01:12:35.020 --> 01:12:42.220 showed up and sounded like like biden oh my god call hr and that's all it is it. 01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:48.220 Comes back to what i was saying before like oftentimes not not certainly in 01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:56.680 debates but just in general it's very rarely about the actual things They say or their policies. 01:12:57.320 --> 01:13:00.940 It's about the feeling they enlisted in the audience. 01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:05.220 And it just goes back exactly to what we talked about, what the fuck they prepped for. 01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:10.600 And again, you know, putting all these wonky details in his head didn't really 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.660 prep him for what the fuck this was going to be. 01:13:13.180 --> 01:13:17.280 And and and and i i started to say this before but i think i got on a tangent 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:24.360 like we've known donald trump here in the political realm since 2015, 01:13:25.340 --> 01:13:31.700 you know what he's like at debates you know what works you know what doesn't you know that this like, 01:13:32.710 --> 01:13:33.990 What were they thinking? 01:13:34.510 --> 01:13:38.130 I think they thought I, I, I, I, I, I, again, I go back. 01:13:38.210 --> 01:13:41.710 I think they thought Trump was going to implode himself. And so Joe could stand 01:13:41.710 --> 01:13:42.930 by and watch the implosion. 01:13:43.010 --> 01:13:46.850 Not, not just that, not, not just that. They thought that this was going to 01:13:46.850 --> 01:13:50.330 be far more tightly managed than it was. And it wasn't. 01:13:50.790 --> 01:13:55.230 Yeah. Which, which network have they watched ever? Like these debates are always like this. 01:13:55.390 --> 01:13:58.110 And like, you know, people have been complaining about the fact that, 01:13:58.170 --> 01:14:02.870 for instance, that people People have been complaining that there was no fact-checking. 01:14:02.870 --> 01:14:07.610 Donald Trump lied over and over and over and over again, and the moderators said nothing. 01:14:07.950 --> 01:14:09.590 They didn't challenge him, right? 01:14:10.070 --> 01:14:12.970 Well, and that was one of the written rules. They weren't supposed to. 01:14:13.290 --> 01:14:18.950 CNN management insisted that the reporters not do real-time fact-checking as 01:14:18.950 --> 01:14:21.070 part of how the thing was set up. 01:14:21.370 --> 01:14:25.610 They weren't going to do that. The position was, if somebody's going to fact-check 01:14:25.610 --> 01:14:26.650 him, it needs to be Biden. 01:14:26.650 --> 01:14:31.050 You know but this is this is 01:14:31.050 --> 01:14:34.610 how they always go like the one time a an 01:14:34.610 --> 01:14:37.650 anchor if you remember it was in one of the obama romney 01:14:37.650 --> 01:14:42.850 debates an anchor actually told romney he was wrong about something and like 01:14:42.850 --> 01:14:50.970 it was a big huge shit storm big huge shit shit something shit storm yeah and 01:14:50.970 --> 01:14:55.670 and i i I think she didn't stay at CNN that much longer after that. 01:14:55.710 --> 01:14:57.170 I think it was Candy Crawley, I think. 01:14:58.570 --> 01:15:02.810 And, you know, so no, they, you know, whatever. 01:15:03.030 --> 01:15:09.550 I think, you know, part of the thing was, no, the moderators didn't keep a tight control on it. 01:15:09.590 --> 01:15:13.810 But the moderators almost never keep tight control on these things. 01:15:14.210 --> 01:15:16.450 And Biden didn't stand up for himself. 01:15:17.610 --> 01:15:22.790 Well, yeah. Yeah, but again, it goes back to what the hell they prep for. 01:15:23.950 --> 01:15:28.110 It's just, hey, let me be wonky about the details, and it's just, 01:15:28.860 --> 01:15:29.620 that's just not gonna. 01:15:29.620 --> 01:15:34.580 Well and part of the talk beforehand was how like oh look biden spending all 01:15:34.580 --> 01:15:38.860 this time prepping while donald trump is just like going golfing and talking 01:15:38.860 --> 01:15:42.400 to a few folks on the phone about what do they think that you should say well. 01:15:42.400 --> 01:15:44.960 Apparently but trump did the right prep look. 01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:46.700 You know yeah uh. 01:15:46.700 --> 01:15:53.500 You know he was relaxed i mean he was you know he was rested and relaxed I mean, 01:15:53.560 --> 01:16:01.140 look, one guy who had a horrible debate that I remember, 01:16:01.340 --> 01:16:04.280 that was a horrible debate for the ages. 01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:06.600 It was worse than Biden. 01:16:06.860 --> 01:16:08.580 It was Dan Quayle. 01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:12.400 Now, he wasn't running for president. It was vice president. 01:16:12.620 --> 01:16:16.620 But his debate performance was horrible. Okay? 01:16:16.980 --> 01:16:18.900 Even before the Jack Kennedy moment. 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:21.940 Even before the Jack Kennedy moment. moment he was he was 01:16:21.940 --> 01:16:24.780 just absolutely horrific but here is one 01:16:24.780 --> 01:16:28.080 thing about that the second time that he debated okay 01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:32.060 he was way better yeah and 01:16:32.060 --> 01:16:39.000 i recall this he changed completely uh his his his prep and what he was doing 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:45.280 because he did almost the exact same thing that that biden did which was focus 01:16:45.280 --> 01:16:49.580 on all the wonky details of whatever be prepped and have my lines and let I 01:16:49.580 --> 01:16:51.960 mean, it's not just talk too much and whatnot. 01:16:52.340 --> 01:16:55.840 And the second time that he had, that he had a debate, he was, 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.760 he was definitely far more on point. 01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:06.240 I do think that what the hell do you prepare to do with the debate matters a lot. 01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:12.520 And, and I have seen candidates fuck up the baits, come back the next time, 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:16.920 do way better than they did the first time. Just simply changing their, 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.540 their style of what they're held are going to do. 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:26.520 And I, I, I gotta be honest. I think that a lot of what's going on today is 01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:29.900 just all based on just a lot of fear of another Trump victory. 01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:34.420 Now, somebody today did give me perspective and, you know, they, 01:17:34.540 --> 01:17:37.420 they were talking about why all this fear. 01:17:37.420 --> 01:17:41.000 Year and you know i was with people from chile 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:44.380 argentina different places 01:17:44.380 --> 01:17:51.060 and you know they said you know the problem is over here with with people they're 01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:57.440 not used to shit shows we're used to shit shows you know we're used to having 01:17:57.440 --> 01:18:03.140 you know crazy presidents that did that you know that do all sorts of shit and, 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:09.160 And whatnot and whatever. And that the reality is that even, 01:18:09.260 --> 01:18:14.880 you know, even with getting Trump back, you know, or getting somebody like that 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:18.580 back, that we still will figure it out. 01:18:19.340 --> 01:18:25.600 And that, you know, I mean, look, you see, I'll give an example right now. 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:27.140 Look, Brazil, for God's sakes. 01:18:27.400 --> 01:18:33.220 Look, Brazil right now has as their president a guy that was convicted and in jail. 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:37.580 For crimes that he committed during his previous presidency. 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:39.620 Okay. 01:18:40.120 --> 01:18:40.700 Yeah. 01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:45.840 All right. You know, this was the guy on the left, you know, 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:52.940 there, that was, there was a massive, massive bribery scheme that ensnared companies 01:18:52.940 --> 01:18:55.120 and things all over Latin America. 01:18:55.160 --> 01:18:59.120 Puerto Rico was, was in some of those investigations. 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:02.900 They had him on tape, you know, accepting, you know, 01:19:02.900 --> 01:19:06.000 negotiating and accepting the bribes he was convicted 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:09.500 he went to jail he got released okay and 01:19:09.500 --> 01:19:12.160 he ran for president and he beat this guy who is 01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:16.060 the guy that loves uh that loves trump bolsonaro okay 01:19:16.060 --> 01:19:19.500 right and so and i 01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:22.880 mean bolsonaro himself went and after 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:25.660 you know he lost he tried to pull a 01:19:25.660 --> 01:19:28.960 j6 you know in in brazil too yep 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.640 and by the way he's under criminal he's under criminal an 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.560 indictment for that now too right of all fucking 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.420 things and so what they were saying is that yeah you 01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:41.380 know i know you know we've been so used 01:19:41.380 --> 01:19:48.640 to things running well well comparatively i guess comparatively comparatively 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:53.740 sam yeah yeah we have been so used to that that they're all like you guys you 01:19:53.740 --> 01:19:58.820 know you just you guys just you know not used to this shit you know we lived 01:19:58.820 --> 01:20:00.320 this their entire fucking lives. 01:20:01.140 --> 01:20:06.380 And so they were taking it in stride, you know, just, you know, 01:20:06.380 --> 01:20:09.360 even the fact that Trump might, might, might come back. 01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:13.500 I, I, I'm just like, I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I'm there yet, 01:20:13.580 --> 01:20:19.400 but I, I, I'm like, you know, but also I was thinking from the perspective, 01:20:19.580 --> 01:20:23.080 you know, even Germany, you know, came back from having Hitler. 01:20:24.160 --> 01:20:27.720 Took a little while, but yeah. And a big war, but yeah. 01:20:28.140 --> 01:20:32.060 Yeah. But they did. I mean, you know. 01:20:32.160 --> 01:20:37.040 So not that that's the kind of future I'm hoping for here. 01:20:37.480 --> 01:20:45.020 No, but, but, but, but I'm just, you know, I think we got to be prepared for whatever the hell it is. 01:20:45.120 --> 01:20:50.820 And I'm like, I don't, I don't think that I, I, one thing that this is definitely true. 01:20:51.810 --> 01:20:56.950 That I'm definitely certain of is that making any decision like this, 01:20:56.990 --> 01:21:01.990 just purely based on fear, which is what a lot of people are doing with all 01:21:01.990 --> 01:21:04.690 these op-eds, is a really bad way of making decisions. 01:21:05.330 --> 01:21:07.210 Right. Yes. 01:21:07.950 --> 01:21:12.150 And I have never seen it to be a proper way of making decisions. 01:21:12.570 --> 01:21:17.690 And that I think is the one thing maybe that is really driving me crazy with people. 01:21:17.690 --> 01:21:20.990 Thing because it's just you never make 01:21:20.990 --> 01:21:24.350 good decisions just purely based on 01:21:24.350 --> 01:21:27.310 just just you know where your fear is 01:21:27.310 --> 01:21:30.810 the one that's in the driver's seat i mean objectively you 01:21:30.810 --> 01:21:33.890 look at this and you've got about 01:21:33.890 --> 01:21:36.790 what the hell is the best 01:21:36.790 --> 01:21:41.010 way to try to win you 01:21:41.010 --> 01:21:49.390 can't right now go and And draw me a different fucking scenario where Biden 01:21:49.390 --> 01:21:51.690 is not president and tell me 01:21:51.690 --> 01:21:57.210 that any of those is going to be any better than having Biden go and run. 01:21:57.430 --> 01:22:01.190 Just I mean, I don't know. Or maybe I'm missing one. You want to tell me which 01:22:01.190 --> 01:22:02.750 one you think has a higher likelihood? 01:22:03.150 --> 01:22:11.530 Well, no, no, I, I, I think I'm with you, but I think the what people are thinking is like, look. 01:22:11.530 --> 01:22:19.630 Look, we've been looking at polls showing Biden behind for like forever. 01:22:20.070 --> 01:22:26.310 And right now they're sort of tied. But they're feeling really insecure about that. 01:22:26.530 --> 01:22:33.410 And they look at his performance and basically say, we're screwed if we stick with him. 01:22:33.630 --> 01:22:37.950 So might as well gamble with somebody else because we'll definitely lose with 01:22:37.950 --> 01:22:39.610 Biden. That's what people are thinking. 01:22:39.610 --> 01:22:42.670 It, even though all the data is showing you that that's not, 01:22:42.730 --> 01:22:47.930 that that's, you know, that that's not, that's a, you see, all of those are all fear-based. 01:22:47.990 --> 01:22:50.870 I, I, I, because the data is not showing you that. 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:57.180 Yeah, that, you know, that that the races, you know, were screwed, you know, that I mean. 01:22:57.220 --> 01:23:03.480 It is clear like Biden's been behind. That's not false. 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.000 I mean, it, you know. 01:23:06.020 --> 01:23:09.900 But but at the same time, you everything you say about the incumbent advantage 01:23:09.900 --> 01:23:15.840 is true. Everything people have been saying about how Democrats have been overperforming is true. 01:23:16.160 --> 01:23:20.480 Everything that people have been saying about the salience of the abortion issue is true. 01:23:20.700 --> 01:23:23.280 Now, of course, there are people on the other side scared about immigration, 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:30.100 but there are a lot of reasons to not think it's hopeless. 01:23:30.700 --> 01:23:35.380 But there are reasons to be concerned too for sure but i'm not sure the well. 01:23:35.380 --> 01:23:39.140 There are reasons to be concerned i'm saying i'm not saying that i'm. 01:23:39.140 --> 01:23:44.460 Not sure the right way to respond to that is like oh well let's let's let's 01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:47.300 pick some random person and hope that they magically do better. 01:23:47.300 --> 01:23:52.660 Exactly i mean hey you know oh i'm concerned that this house might not might 01:23:52.660 --> 01:23:57.260 not sustain the hurricane well let me torch it and let me try to build a new 01:23:57.260 --> 01:24:00.920 one with the hurricane arriving in two weeks. 01:24:01.300 --> 01:24:04.700 How about that? I mean, because that's basically what they're saying. 01:24:05.180 --> 01:24:05.700 Yeah. 01:24:06.080 --> 01:24:10.440 I'm like, no, you gotta listen. You, you batten the hatches, 01:24:10.460 --> 01:24:16.640 you do what you can, you know, Hey, the data shows that more than likely you're going to be okay. 01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:22.640 You know, but damn it. You know, you know, the other alternative is stupid. 01:24:23.460 --> 01:24:27.780 Now I just don't, I just, I just, you know, yeah. 01:24:28.260 --> 01:24:35.020 I mean, And look, look, if there was a time to switch horses, 01:24:35.140 --> 01:24:36.900 it was more than a year ago. 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.260 Yes, exactly. It wasn't now. Yeah. It's not now. 01:24:41.360 --> 01:24:46.540 No. And again, the only way that it could happen is this point is if Biden initiates 01:24:46.540 --> 01:24:48.820 it. If Biden says, you know, you guys are right. I'm out. 01:24:50.140 --> 01:24:56.440 And then we would have to deal with that scenario. And that would be messy. Like, you know, it. 01:24:56.440 --> 01:24:57.880 Would be super messy. 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:00.900 You know, like, because on the one hand. 01:25:00.900 --> 01:25:07.240 Because I don't know if you told me like right now, OK, Biden's not running. 01:25:07.280 --> 01:25:10.460 Who is next up? Honestly, who's next up should be Kamala. 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:11.580 It should be. 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:16.780 Yes, but it should be. But I don't think a lot of these people with a scenario, 01:25:16.860 --> 01:25:19.540 I don't think have that in mind. 01:25:19.620 --> 01:25:23.100 They think that we should just, you know, pluck Ozio. 01:25:23.280 --> 01:25:24.640 We're going to bring in Ozio. 01:25:25.620 --> 01:25:32.040 That's it. Ozio. yeah no anybody that any of you don't know the reference from 01:25:32.040 --> 01:25:36.620 the book primary colors where they are using as Cuomo, 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.560 You know, that was the name that they gave him on the book because they changed all the names. 01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:47.320 And the reality is this was during a campaign where Clinton was the front runner. 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:53.940 He had a whole bunch of scandals and shit going on and they wanted to bring 01:25:53.940 --> 01:25:56.620 in the savior and the savior was going to be Cuomo. 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:57.320 Right. 01:25:57.540 --> 01:26:01.040 Same fucking bullshit. I'm thinking about it. 01:26:01.820 --> 01:26:05.880 Jennifer Flowers, horse shit. Not that it was horse shit. 01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:08.300 Yeah. Yeah, but you know. 01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:13.780 There were scandals, there was, there's bad speeches, bad debates, bad everything. 01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:21.160 You know, you had the third party guy, the only, the only thing changing really, 01:26:21.260 --> 01:26:24.900 you know, the couple of things for you is that, that Bill Clinton was young. 01:26:24.980 --> 01:26:30.420 Not old, and he played the saxophone on Arsenio Hall. 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.280 Right. And that HW Bush was a psychopath. 01:26:34.380 --> 01:26:34.900 Yeah. 01:26:35.580 --> 01:26:39.780 So those two factors, you know, but, but they were screaming for the savior. 01:26:40.220 --> 01:26:43.440 I mean, it's the same fucking, it's the same fucking screams. 01:26:44.240 --> 01:26:50.600 It is. And you know, we always said this year was going to be a wild ride and here we are. 01:26:52.620 --> 01:26:58.700 Fuck. But I don't know. So we'll see. 01:26:58.820 --> 01:27:02.300 Like, like you said, we got sentencing coming up, coming up soon. 01:27:02.300 --> 01:27:07.260 And then like a couple of days after that, we've got the Republican national convention. 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:12.700 So yeah, things are, things are happening. It's, it's in the, 01:27:12.740 --> 01:27:16.160 it's getting in the swing of it. And yeah. 01:27:16.480 --> 01:27:20.000 And we, and we have the Supreme court case on Monday, like probably unless they 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:24.760 punt it to next year or this summer or fall or something, which they could do theoretically. Right. 01:27:26.270 --> 01:27:30.470 But everybody seems to think it's coming Monday on the presidential immunity case. 01:27:31.110 --> 01:27:36.210 And just to get my predictions out before we take a break and do something else, I don't know what else. 01:27:36.330 --> 01:27:39.870 But my prediction has remained the same. time, 01:27:39.870 --> 01:27:44.830 I predicted they were going to release it on the very last day of the term possible 01:27:44.830 --> 01:27:52.010 and that they will do the thing where they define what's immune and what's not, 01:27:52.070 --> 01:27:58.050 but send it back to the lower court in order to determine what does or does 01:27:58.050 --> 01:28:00.450 not meet that rule in this particular case. 01:28:00.630 --> 01:28:06.030 And by doing so, they build in additional delay and additional chances for appeal. 01:28:06.030 --> 01:28:10.150 Appeal and you know because the only scenario that 01:28:10.150 --> 01:28:15.990 gets you to a trial even starting before the election is if absolutely everything 01:28:15.990 --> 01:28:22.350 went in a perfect way and that's not going to happen so okay that's my prediction 01:28:22.350 --> 01:28:26.090 we'll we'll find out on monday i guess so. 01:28:26.090 --> 01:28:28.170 Anything else so we got okay. 01:28:28.170 --> 01:28:33.370 Well let's take a break and then if you got another topic you think of in the 01:28:33.370 --> 01:28:38.950 meantime we can we can do that otherwise we can like just make noises for another 01:28:38.950 --> 01:28:40.390 15 minutes and then say goodbye. 01:28:41.670 --> 01:28:42.850 Okay all right. 01:28:42.850 --> 01:28:44.890 I mean that's some people would 01:28:44.890 --> 01:28:48.470 say that's what the show is anyway we're just making random noises ah. 01:28:48.470 --> 01:28:50.810 Okay all right well i could i could give it a try. 01:28:50.810 --> 01:28:56.710 And speaking of random noises it's time for this random noise, 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.060 I actually hit the wrong button. It was supposed to be a different one, 01:29:43.160 --> 01:29:45.380 but it still fit. It was fine. 01:29:46.140 --> 01:29:50.680 Well, I mean, that was, I mean, that was, that sounds like sounded accurate. 01:29:51.220 --> 01:29:54.320 I mean, you know, based on what you said, you know. 01:29:55.180 --> 01:30:00.920 Yeah, I know. There were a couple of them that would have met that description, but anyway. 01:30:01.100 --> 01:30:05.540 So Yvonne, anything else you want to talk about? Or should we just like read 01:30:05.540 --> 01:30:07.260 the stuff at the end of the show and be done? 01:30:07.420 --> 01:30:13.100 I mean, I don't know. is there anything else that happened this week that that merits we. 01:30:13.100 --> 01:30:17.120 Had a bunch of scotus decisions not the immunity one but we had. 01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:21.380 Uh you you know that there's something else that people are just there's something 01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:25.120 else that people are despondent about you want to talk about you want to you 01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:26.300 want to mention anything about we. 01:30:26.300 --> 01:30:27.200 Had julian assange. 01:30:27.200 --> 01:30:32.880 Oh julian assange yes he's back in australia he went to you know i did not realize 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.260 that there was a federal courthouse in saipan. 01:30:36.100 --> 01:30:39.240 Now now you know for when you're indicted. 01:30:39.240 --> 01:30:42.340 Oh great so i can go and like you know 01:30:42.340 --> 01:30:45.440 travel to saipan for my my my arraignment yeah exactly 01:30:45.440 --> 01:30:51.000 you know i i i came up with an idea i i i i you know i i don't know if i could 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:57.700 play this out loud but but i i i i could i i could do i i one time sam Sam got 01:30:57.700 --> 01:31:03.240 really angry at me because we had an extra hour on, on the radio at, at, 01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:05.740 at, at, at WRCT. 01:31:06.260 --> 01:31:07.160 Come on Eileen. 01:31:07.660 --> 01:31:09.300 No, it wasn't. Come on Eileen. 01:31:09.340 --> 01:31:12.580 No, that was another time. Somebody else did that to me then. 01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:18.700 That. Yeah, no, I, I started playing on repeat the 2001 space odyssey, 01:31:18.700 --> 01:31:21.860 the, the, the, the, the theme song from the beginning. 01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:24.360 And I kept, I kept playing it over and over. 01:31:25.060 --> 01:31:27.580 Which by the way, is the next movie i have to talk about. 01:31:27.580 --> 01:31:33.860 Oh oh oh look apropos but i i can't i can't i don't think i can i don't think 01:31:33.860 --> 01:31:39.080 right now is where we're we're podcasting i can't play it out loud so oh well yeah. 01:31:39.080 --> 01:31:40.440 Maybe i'll add it in post. 01:31:40.440 --> 01:31:45.340 There you go you can go and like close out the show with with with that you 01:31:45.340 --> 01:31:48.160 know uh that has uh true so so. 01:31:48.160 --> 01:31:53.520 Scotus wise we had the the big one was the chevron one one, right? 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:57.280 That's the, like, there were a few others, but like they, they all, 01:31:57.340 --> 01:31:58.980 they also did things like rule 01:31:58.980 --> 01:32:03.540 that laws saying that the homeless couldn't sleep in public were fine. 01:32:03.860 --> 01:32:07.760 Uh, things like that. But, uh, the big one was they call Chevron, 01:32:07.780 --> 01:32:10.520 I guess it was a 1980s Supreme court decision. 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:20.600 But basically the, the point of it was that courts should defer to experts at agencies about. 01:32:21.780 --> 01:32:24.960 Regulations and policies when the law was vague. 01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:30.200 And this is important because I'm sure it's a big surprise to people. 01:32:30.380 --> 01:32:36.680 Laws are often vague, especially when it comes to enabling legislation for agencies. 01:32:37.040 --> 01:32:42.540 They basically say, I mean, I'm oversimplifying, but basically say, oh, you want an EPA? 01:32:42.900 --> 01:32:48.260 Okay. The Environmental Protection Agency is going to now exist and they will 01:32:48.260 --> 01:32:52.900 have the authority to make regulations related to the environment without Congress 01:32:52.900 --> 01:32:57.600 having to explicitly call out the details of all those regulations. 01:32:58.220 --> 01:33:03.920 Again, oversimplification, but basically what the previous rule was, 01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:10.620 as long as the agency made a reasonable interpretation of the law, 01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:12.960 then the courts would defer to that. 01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:20.780 Basically, the ruling today says, nope, it's interpretation of the law that's 01:33:20.780 --> 01:33:23.000 up to the courts, not to the agencies. 01:33:23.380 --> 01:33:27.120 And so no deference, we will decide. 01:33:27.400 --> 01:33:32.180 If there's a question about what was or was not authorized by some law, 01:33:32.420 --> 01:33:37.600 which look, the courts have always been involved in that in cases that were egregious. 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:43.220 Basically, this just said, as long as the agency's interpretation was reasonable, 01:33:43.220 --> 01:33:46.820 the court would defer to it they would only overturn things. 01:33:46.820 --> 01:33:49.560 I think but but one of one of the 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:56.840 issues with this and there was a a ruling the day before related to agencies 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:04.600 that had in-house you know basically processes that that wouldn't that were 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:07.520 like uh that that were outside of the 01:34:07.540 --> 01:34:12.180 court system i mean there was because you know because many agencies had like 01:34:12.180 --> 01:34:19.060 the irs for example had an in-house tribunals okay that that did not rely on the on the court system, 01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:25.060 and i know that a lot of people found those unfair and that they were really 01:34:25.060 --> 01:34:30.700 slanted in favor of the agency and so that was a challenge and they overturned 01:34:30.700 --> 01:34:31.740 that and said they got to go to of court. 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:36.900 So one problem with, I think, with both of these rulings, not talking more from 01:34:36.900 --> 01:34:42.900 a practical sense, is that the federal court system is already for a long time been overburdened. 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.940 And cases take a long, long time. If you guys haven't noticed, 01:34:46.980 --> 01:34:51.340 like, why the hell do you guys think that these Trump cases are taking so damn 01:34:51.340 --> 01:34:53.560 long? And the federal ones specifically. 01:34:53.920 --> 01:35:01.020 And so all of a sudden, those two rulings make it that a lot of things that 01:35:01.020 --> 01:35:05.580 were being handled in a different way or that did not have to come to the court 01:35:05.580 --> 01:35:07.260 all of a sudden have to come to the court. 01:35:07.480 --> 01:35:12.720 Yeah. And I think that has some really serious practical implications for the federal court system. 01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.980 Well, it has implications for the court system. It also has implications to 01:35:15.980 --> 01:35:17.580 what agencies can do in the first place. 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:18.280 Yeah. 01:35:18.580 --> 01:35:23.280 The bottom line is if you say you can only do something if Congress specifies 01:35:23.280 --> 01:35:25.620 it in detail, Congress is not good at that. 01:35:26.200 --> 01:35:35.240 Well, the thing about it is that I think that it's not that they can't define it. 01:35:35.300 --> 01:35:41.360 The problem is that before, the courts were deferring to their interpretation. 01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:42.320 Right. 01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:48.600 But now it's like they can define something, but it could be far more easily challenged in court. 01:35:48.900 --> 01:35:53.320 And so that's why I'm thinking that this brings a hell of a lot more litigation 01:35:53.320 --> 01:35:56.980 period for practically because, 01:35:57.200 --> 01:36:02.820 hell, you know, it used to be that it was far more difficult to to sue related 01:36:02.820 --> 01:36:06.000 to any of these. And now it makes it a hell of a lot easier. 01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:06.920 Right. 01:36:07.240 --> 01:36:07.680 So. 01:36:08.650 --> 01:36:15.650 It is a bonanza for lawyers. Tell you what, Jesus, they're going to be able to rack up fees. 01:36:15.910 --> 01:36:21.130 I mean, the whole thing about this is it ties into like Steve Bannon's old deconstruction 01:36:21.130 --> 01:36:22.570 of the administrative state. 01:36:22.790 --> 01:36:31.350 A bunch of these rulings have the effect of making it much harder for government to effectively work. 01:36:31.930 --> 01:36:36.810 You know, and you can say like, you know, Congress should have to pass a law 01:36:36.810 --> 01:36:38.070 in order to do this or whatever. 01:36:38.650 --> 01:36:42.930 But realistically, this makes it much harder for government to do stuff. 01:36:43.030 --> 01:36:48.590 Now, if you are one of those who just outright thinks that, you know, 01:36:48.590 --> 01:36:52.250 government shouldn't be doing anything anyway, then this is all great news for you. 01:36:52.470 --> 01:36:57.550 If, on the other hand, you think that, yeah, you know, having a government who's 01:36:57.550 --> 01:37:00.750 able to effectively regulate certain things actually is helpful, 01:37:01.010 --> 01:37:10.170 then this is potentially kneecapping the abilities of what can be done for potentially 01:37:10.170 --> 01:37:17.770 decades until like the court changes laws change etc which you know is not a fast process yeah. 01:37:17.770 --> 01:37:21.290 Not it's not going to be a fast process so i i do think that and. 01:37:21.290 --> 01:37:24.190 I think you're right in the short term all kinds of things are going to end 01:37:24.190 --> 01:37:28.170 up in court and yeah you know when we're talking all right like i mean i know 01:37:28.170 --> 01:37:32.670 criminal versus civil versus whatever, but the, all of them are super slow. 01:37:33.070 --> 01:37:33.930 Yeah. All of them. 01:37:33.950 --> 01:37:37.690 I mean, we're, we're talking about how long the, the Donald Trump stuff has 01:37:37.690 --> 01:37:44.130 been hanging on, but some of the, the court cases and the corporate court cases are also go on. 01:37:44.150 --> 01:37:47.630 Like there was a news, I forget which, which company it was, 01:37:47.710 --> 01:37:51.230 but there was something about them proceeding on a case that had been going 01:37:51.230 --> 01:37:54.790 for like well over a decade coming up on 20 years. 01:37:54.890 --> 01:37:57.930 Now it's been going back and forth in court. And. 01:37:58.570 --> 01:38:03.170 To me, this is ridiculous. It's already too slow. We should be figuring out 01:38:03.170 --> 01:38:06.490 ways to speed it up and come to a conclusion faster. 01:38:06.970 --> 01:38:09.290 This is just going to clog everything up even more. 01:38:09.630 --> 01:38:11.130 More money for the courts. 01:38:12.510 --> 01:38:14.970 Yeah, like anybody's going to give them money. Come on. 01:38:15.270 --> 01:38:17.110 No, probably not. 01:38:18.470 --> 01:38:21.790 Well, the government's not going to pay them through our taxes, 01:38:21.850 --> 01:38:24.690 but plenty of people are apparently giving lots of judges money, 01:38:24.870 --> 01:38:27.610 especially Justice Thomas. us but you know. 01:38:27.610 --> 01:38:32.790 Well especially says did i not understand like the where the hell did i see 01:38:32.790 --> 01:38:38.070 this interpretation of also uh was this a scotus case the one where they uh oh. 01:38:38.070 --> 01:38:39.550 The bribery one yeah. 01:38:39.550 --> 01:38:42.570 Yeah the bribery one where wait a 01:38:42.570 --> 01:38:48.490 minute yeah where i'm sorry but apparently but my understanding was that this 01:38:48.490 --> 01:38:53.890 definitely was a mistake in the federal law because i saw that state law that 01:38:53.890 --> 01:39:00.270 The states that have these anti-bribery laws are far more explicit about this. 01:39:00.410 --> 01:39:04.630 Okay. But apparently the federal, the way that the federal one is written, 01:39:04.730 --> 01:39:10.030 it basically allows you to just go and say, Hey, here official. 01:39:10.510 --> 01:39:12.130 Oh, here's 20,000. 01:39:12.830 --> 01:39:16.190 I'm like, Oh, it's just a gift. Thank you. 01:39:18.570 --> 01:39:22.610 Oh, there's no print quote book. Oh, here you go. Here it's just, you know. 01:39:22.610 --> 01:39:29.270 Well a part a part of it was also apparently like if there's no agreement beforehand 01:39:29.270 --> 01:39:34.430 you can give them a thank you for doing the thing that you wanted thank you 01:39:34.430 --> 01:39:42.470 right yeah so thank thank you very much for passing that law that helps me you know here's here's. 01:39:42.470 --> 01:39:43.730 A hundred thousand dollars. 01:39:44.250 --> 01:39:52.090 Yeah so it makes you wonder like you know what the fuck that well I was gonna 01:39:52.090 --> 01:39:56.210 say how bad it this is Menendez that he like gets caught with gold in his house 01:39:56.210 --> 01:39:59.710 and like is on trial for this when apparently all this should be legal. 01:40:00.390 --> 01:40:08.970 Basically I'm just you know I don't so I this is giving me a headache. 01:40:10.670 --> 01:40:12.670 Okay are we done Yvonne. 01:40:13.650 --> 01:40:17.910 This actually is giving me more of a more of a headache than i mean thinking 01:40:17.910 --> 01:40:22.490 about some of the implications of these cases than anything else i i mean i 01:40:22.490 --> 01:40:27.070 i just but the one thing is that on the on the payments one it should be an 01:40:27.070 --> 01:40:31.030 easy fix but congress i mean you know i know the fucking, 01:40:31.530 --> 01:40:34.550 republicans are not going to vote for making that illegal. 01:40:34.550 --> 01:40:40.510 No no fucking way a lot of democrats won't either to be honest like this is 01:40:40.510 --> 01:40:43.870 part of the problem with anti-corruption legislation in general is that like 01:40:43.870 --> 01:40:50.650 there's a non-trivial number of people on both sides who are taking advantage every way they can but. 01:40:50.650 --> 01:40:54.470 We you know at some point we passed a law against this. 01:40:54.470 --> 01:40:57.470 We did there were laws at 01:40:57.470 --> 01:41:00.430 various times in the past they've been weakened over 01:41:00.430 --> 01:41:03.210 time like every once in a while you get 01:41:03.210 --> 01:41:06.190 a moment usually after some sort of scandal 01:41:06.190 --> 01:41:09.090 where congress is embarrassed enough to pass some 01:41:09.090 --> 01:41:12.770 laws against the stuff that caused the scandal but in 01:41:12.770 --> 01:41:16.150 between they're like you know nobody say 01:41:16.150 --> 01:41:19.190 anything because we're having fun with whatever we're 01:41:19.190 --> 01:41:25.930 getting right now you know like one one of the examples is just the stock trading 01:41:25.930 --> 01:41:32.830 oh god where we're like yeah congress congress can there are no restrictions 01:41:32.830 --> 01:41:37.210 on congress trading stocks on information that That they have through their official duties. 01:41:37.490 --> 01:41:38.010 Right. 01:41:38.530 --> 01:41:44.210 And they have to disclose them. Like months later. But they're not prohibited from doing anything. 01:41:45.130 --> 01:41:49.110 And. And so like a bunch of congress critters. Have made a lot of good money. 01:41:49.170 --> 01:41:50.810 Based on information that. 01:41:51.250 --> 01:41:55.270 The general public was not aware of. Like there's actually some guy. 01:41:55.350 --> 01:41:58.350 Who set up a fund. That basically just tracks. 01:41:59.270 --> 01:42:01.810 Congressional investments. And does the same thing. 01:42:02.230 --> 01:42:03.530 How is it doing? 01:42:03.950 --> 01:42:04.890 Apparently pretty well. 01:42:06.430 --> 01:42:09.950 You know, there's a little bit of a delay because he has to wait till the reporting 01:42:09.950 --> 01:42:12.830 happens. But yeah, right. Anyway. 01:42:15.410 --> 01:42:19.090 Let's wrap this sucker up. I got to get back to the stupid election graph stuff. 01:42:19.270 --> 01:42:22.390 It's given me a headache and I'm tired and I'm hungry. 01:42:23.390 --> 01:42:27.810 So anyway, the usual stuff at the end of the show election. No, 01:42:27.870 --> 01:42:30.790 not election graphs. Don't go to election graphs right now. It's all broken. 01:42:31.170 --> 01:42:33.970 Maybe it'll be fixed by the time I put out the podcast. 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We'll send you a mug, 01:43:22.010 --> 01:43:23.890 all of that sort of fun stuff. 01:43:24.450 --> 01:43:30.450 And at $2 a month or more, we'll invite you to our Slack where Yvonne and I 01:43:30.450 --> 01:43:34.170 and a bunch of listeners chat throughout the week about the goings on. 01:43:34.570 --> 01:43:38.710 Obviously this week we talked a lot about the debate, but any other thing you 01:43:38.710 --> 01:43:40.610 want to highlight from the Slack this week, Yvonne? 01:43:41.190 --> 01:43:44.770 Well, I guess continuing on the theme of, 01:43:45.910 --> 01:43:48.730 sociopathic things that Donald Trump talks about, 01:43:48.850 --> 01:43:55.770 Donald Trump proposes migrant fight league during bonkers rallies oh yes okay 01:43:55.770 --> 01:44:01.670 so apparently he wanted to propose some kind of you know you, 01:44:02.270 --> 01:44:10.290 know gladiator style fighting between you know i guess migrants because they're 01:44:10.290 --> 01:44:14.210 like you know i mean i'm sure that he thought about it from the style of the 01:44:14.210 --> 01:44:16.290 movie gladiator did you see that movie. 01:44:16.830 --> 01:44:17.190 No. 01:44:17.770 --> 01:44:18.750 Well, gladiator. 01:44:18.750 --> 01:44:19.930 I know what a gladiator is. 01:44:20.490 --> 01:44:22.590 Well, it's like, uh, you know, gladiator. 01:44:22.610 --> 01:44:25.610 There used to be a game show on TV. I didn't watch that either. 01:44:25.710 --> 01:44:28.810 I didn't watch that, but, but you know, so he wants them to fight, 01:44:28.850 --> 01:44:33.290 you know, kind of like Roman empire style over at the Coliseum kind. 01:44:33.290 --> 01:44:34.010 Of a thing. Yes. 01:44:34.690 --> 01:44:35.050 Basically. 01:44:35.750 --> 01:44:36.210 Yep. Yep. 01:44:37.540 --> 01:44:44.900 It fits entirely yeah and of course we're worried about biden like not not not being articulate. 01:44:45.540 --> 01:44:50.520 Oh yeah and a rumor has uh donald trump may announce his vp any day now as well. 01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:54.160 You know i've been hearing that already for weeks and i just you know well. 01:44:54.160 --> 01:44:59.220 The specific rumor was it was it if he did badly at the debate he would change 01:44:59.220 --> 01:45:01.720 the news cycle by announcing his vp right away. 01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:03.340 But he. 01:45:03.340 --> 01:45:08.340 Doesn't need to do that so he may he may wait to pull it out around the time of his sentencing. 01:45:08.340 --> 01:45:11.400 Well another thing is andy borowitz with you 01:45:11.400 --> 01:45:14.260 know at least with some comedy relief went and 01:45:14.260 --> 01:45:17.620 posted one there are some you know so we're talking about replacing 01:45:17.620 --> 01:45:23.680 a joe uh you mentioned uh hey there are some compelling arguments for replacing 01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:30.260 joe with hunter you could still use biden 24 campaign regalia he's a generation 01:45:30.260 --> 01:45:35.440 younger and the fact that he's a convicted felon could attract republican voters there. 01:45:35.440 --> 01:45:38.760 You go yeah that's that's that's perfect. 01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:41.880 So why not yeah i mean you guys want to replace it but you know what the hell 01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:45.000 why don't we go toe-to-toe with the republicans hey let's put our convicted 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:49.500 felon versus your convicted fellow what do you think of that i. 01:45:49.500 --> 01:45:54.460 I just i just don't know what to say it's yeah i. 01:45:54.460 --> 01:45:57.200 Mean you know and you know 01:45:57.200 --> 01:46:04.640 look you know unfortunately hunter has a substance abuse problem i'm sure that 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:08.380 you know what if he's going to go on the debate stage i'm sure he'll take a 01:46:08.380 --> 01:46:11.480 hit of coke or something or whatever before he goes on there to make sure that 01:46:11.480 --> 01:46:14.460 he's he's all energetic yeah. 01:46:15.650 --> 01:46:20.470 Like we said last week, they should have drugged up Biden. Come on. 01:46:20.890 --> 01:46:24.730 Well, he was sick, so it probably was the perfect moment to drug him up. 01:46:24.970 --> 01:46:30.430 They probably gave him things that made him sleepy. I don't know. 01:46:30.790 --> 01:46:32.190 Might have, yeah. 01:46:32.830 --> 01:46:35.570 So, ah, well. Oh, well. 01:46:35.690 --> 01:46:43.550 And so just hopefully we'll see energetic, vibrant Biden a lot more over the 01:46:43.550 --> 01:46:46.130 next couple weeks So he can sort of turn this thing around. 01:46:46.290 --> 01:46:53.150 Otherwise, like it's just an easy spiral thing anyway, but I don't think he's dropping out. 01:46:53.490 --> 01:46:57.710 I don't think he's dropping out. I also, you know, look, if like, 01:46:57.770 --> 01:47:00.530 like I said, my, my, my thing is, 01:47:00.650 --> 01:47:05.490 I don't know, the narrative and the, and these, and these cycles changes so 01:47:05.490 --> 01:47:10.090 quickly that, you know, in two weeks from now, we're going to be talking about the sentencing. 01:47:10.090 --> 01:47:16.750 I mean think about what if what if trump gets sentenced to jail which i think is very likely it. 01:47:16.750 --> 01:47:24.970 Could happen now now there might there might be a sentence to jail pending blah 01:47:24.970 --> 01:47:28.610 blah blah so it's like there'll still be appeals they'll still be right. 01:47:28.610 --> 01:47:32.770 No no no i get that i get that but but still so. 01:47:32.770 --> 01:47:34.850 He's not actually going to jail most likely. 01:47:34.850 --> 01:47:40.910 Most likely not most likely but but but But what if he gets sent to jail? 01:47:41.710 --> 01:47:43.910 How does that play into all this narrative? 01:47:44.970 --> 01:47:47.490 It'll be interesting to see. That's all I got to say. 01:47:48.110 --> 01:47:49.530 Yes. Oh, God. 01:47:50.150 --> 01:47:52.790 Okay, we're done. We're done. 01:47:52.930 --> 01:47:57.950 By the way, by then, you know, I will say one final thought on all of this. 01:47:58.070 --> 01:47:59.030 Yeah, one final thought. 01:47:59.290 --> 01:48:03.270 You know, one problem that we have over here is that we, you know, 01:48:03.270 --> 01:48:08.470 which may be, we haven't hit rock bottom with this entire cycle with Trump. 01:48:08.810 --> 01:48:13.730 No, Sarah, here's the thing. Look, look at what's happening in the British election 01:48:13.730 --> 01:48:17.930 with the conservatives and how they wrote all these morons. Yeah. 01:48:18.090 --> 01:48:20.930 Until basically just complete disaster. Okay. 01:48:21.350 --> 01:48:24.270 But yeah, that's next week too, right? We'll, we'll have, we'll, 01:48:24.270 --> 01:48:27.590 we'll, we'll have results of that by the time we record our next show, probably. 01:48:27.910 --> 01:48:31.710 And by the time we that, and all the forecasts show that the wipeout, 01:48:31.770 --> 01:48:36.530 the kind of wipeout that we would hope the Republicans get at some point, 01:48:36.550 --> 01:48:40.770 but haven't yet at some point. is what they are getting there, finally. 01:48:41.210 --> 01:48:45.370 At least that's what it looks like today. We'll know for sure in a week. 01:48:47.070 --> 01:48:52.050 We'll know for sure, but it's highly likely that they are going to get completely 01:48:52.050 --> 01:48:56.150 crushed in an epic fashion, like no... 01:48:57.080 --> 01:48:59.880 Government or you know whatever or party of you 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:03.480 know party like conservatives has gotten crushed ever and it's 01:49:03.480 --> 01:49:08.640 all a product of all this bullshit and all these games and all this same usual 01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:13.960 right wing cozying up to bullshit that that's that the republicans have been 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:20.020 doing and and amping up with with with trump so plus brexit plus brexit you 01:49:20.020 --> 01:49:23.340 know at that and that and that's their waterloo I mean, basically, 01:49:23.480 --> 01:49:27.880 I mean, it drove him to, you know, a policy that is basically just, 01:49:27.980 --> 01:49:31.520 you know, undermine the British economy for decades to come. 01:49:32.360 --> 01:49:38.340 So I don't know. Is that what it's going to take for the fever to break? I hope not. 01:49:38.580 --> 01:49:40.120 But yeah, it might. 01:49:40.480 --> 01:49:41.140 It might. 01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:46.720 Like, yeah. As the election approaches, I know how much you hate the topic, 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:51.100 but we will undoubtedly have what happens if Trump wins conversations. 01:49:51.400 --> 01:49:54.540 So, yeah. But not today. I am done. 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:56.180 Not today. I'm done. 01:49:56.520 --> 01:50:03.380 Okay, everybody. The usual. Stay safe. Have fun. We will see you next week. 01:50:03.820 --> 01:50:09.160 And yeah, hopefully I'll fix my stupid website. Back up. No, 01:50:09.220 --> 01:50:10.460 not back after this. I'm done. 01:50:12.860 --> 01:50:17.920 Here's the outro. Goodbye. Say goodbye, Vaughn. 01:50:18.540 --> 01:50:20.580 Talk about the senile guy. Goodbye. 01:50:48.040 --> 01:50:51.260 Okay any stop good night everyone.