Sam: Hello greetings greetings salutations you've got like a got like an extra echo
Sam: going on today oh well just because the microphone is like 10 miles from you yeah.
Ivan: That would be that that could be the reason why you know that that that may
Ivan: be happening yes since i have the microphone phone completely away from me yes.
Sam: Yes okay very good
Sam: okay uh we got that
Sam: straight let me just finish checking one thing oh so should we start with our
Sam: usual just go okay here comes wait wait wait i have to hit this button almost
Sam: forgot to hit the button here we go,
Sam: Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, June 22nd.
Sam: 2024. It's just after 2.30 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Mentorini.
Sam: Yvonne Bo is with us again. Hello, Yvonne!
Ivan: Hello.
Sam: Hello.
Ivan: Hello.
Sam: Hello. Anyway, we're going to do our usual. We'll do it, but first with each
Sam: of us doing something non-newsy.
Sam: And then as we've been doing lately, we will have a news-related segment that
Sam: will be all Yvonne's choices.
Sam: And then after that, we will have a news-related segment that will be my choices.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: That's the plan.
Ivan: Sure.
Sam: That's the plan.
Ivan: Sounds.
Sam: That's what we've been doing lately. lately is it we
Sam: used to do yeah we've been doing that for
Sam: at least like a couple months now before that each of
Sam: the two segments was like one you
Sam: and one me okay but recently we haven't been able to stop talking enough to
Sam: fit two subjects into one segment so it's been like but we could still do multiple
Sam: subjects within a segment but then they could all be you and then all be me
Sam: or you know, whatever I did notice.
Ivan: And I, I don't know if you noticed, but I did notice this earlier today that
Ivan: even though we had been sharing stuff into Slack.
Sam: There was absolutely nothing in our subject list.
Ivan: Correct.
Sam: Yeah. I know. I noticed earlier today I was, I literally here's,
Sam: here's the course of events as it went.
Sam: I was at work and like, I was supposed to be thinking about work and I mostly
Sam: was, but this thought came into my head, you know, I don't think there's anything
Sam: anything on our potential subjects list for this week at all yet yeah.
Ivan: We had put anything great.
Sam: And i'm like i should i should go and add a couple things and say something
Sam: about that and then i literally opened up slack went to the thing and one minute
Sam: earlier you had dumped in four topics right and then you added a few more and
Sam: i added a few more so yeah we've we've got a few at this
Sam: point we could alternate the whole show you me you me you me you me you me you say you say me.
Ivan: Say it together.
Sam: Naturally that's.
Ivan: It yes shit you know the song,
Ivan: Holy shit.
Sam: I do know the song. I noticed I did not attempt to sing it, but yes.
Ivan: Wow.
Sam: And anyway, I, I may. Yeah, I do know some songs. I do.
Sam: I know more songs. I've let's put it this way.
Sam: I am more likely if you mention a song to have heard the song than if you mention
Sam: a movie to have watched the movie.
Ivan: Interesting. I'll tell you one thing today. say that because look.
Sam: A movie is like a two-hour commitment a song is like a two-minute commitment
Sam: you know i could deal with that maybe three.
Ivan: No yeah yeah no i sure sure and
Ivan: i and you know one of the things that used to happen like a lot before i don't
Ivan: see this happening as much is that you went to a lot of places and they were
Ivan: playing music there there there seems to be less places that just play music,
Ivan: you know, you.
Sam: Mean like background music when you're in a store, that kind of thing?
Ivan: Like, well, well, I guess one thing is like.
Sam: Cause I, I hear background music when I'm out.
Ivan: But not like the top 40, you know, it's seems like more.
Sam: It's like, well, have you looked at the actual top 40 lately?
Sam: Like there's a lot of swearing and stuff.
Ivan: I don't even know what they are. Well, that's my point. so they don't play that anymore i.
Sam: Don't know the billboard one is.
Ivan: There i i don't even i i look look here.
Sam: But but on uh here you go here you go in apple's music app okay if you go to
Sam: the browse menu and scroll down uh-huh uh-huh you have to scroll down a little
Sam: bit then they have the top hundred global top hundred usa and then pick your
Sam: country you can see the top hundred songs,
Sam: are updated daily and this is by apple music stream let.
Ivan: Me see it's now the billboard top 100 well let's see so to be more broad is
Ivan: that it's just apple i don't know since that's not i mean it is a big app but
Ivan: it's not all encompassing.
Sam: Well of course spotify has similar right right right spotify is something they're
Sam: all big enough that they're probably going to be pretty similar i like apple
Sam: they get they have the global list too where billboards us but yeah Yeah, go ahead.
Sam: They've got UK charts and stuff too, but go ahead.
Ivan: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say, holy shit, I don't recognize any of these songs.
Ivan: I mean, let's see. Number one on the Billboard Hot 100, I Had Some Help.
Ivan: Do you know what the artist is for that one?
Sam: Well, because I'm looking at it. It's by Post Malone. It's number three on...
Ivan: Well, it's cheating.
Sam: It's on the Apple... It's number three on the Apple Global list today.
Ivan: Okay, let's see. And then there was an artist called Sabrina Carpenter I never
Ivan: heard of that has a number two and number three.
Sam: I've heard of her.
Sam: Please, please, please. Probably shit.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: And espresso. Okay.
Ivan: Yeah. That's the number two. Yeah.
Sam: I, I, again, I am looking at the list.
Ivan: Okay. I heard a Kendrick Lamar and I've heard of Eminem. Okay. Who's on here?
Ivan: Well, I think the one thing, well, here, here's one thing. Yes. In the past.
Ivan: I, and this was something that a lot of people did listen to.
Ivan: I mean, this had a broad audience. You had America's top four.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: You know, Casey case of that show. You know, I mean, even if you were,
Ivan: you know, music disinterested, it's one of those things that would be playing
Ivan: everywhere because it was on the radio. You were in the car.
Ivan: We didn't have, you know, most people listen to whatever the hell was on the radio.
Ivan: So we all heard that. So you've heard more songs and apparently you remember them.
Sam: Well, yeah, I remember a lot of songs. I mean, like, well, the one that's been
Sam: shooting up the charts lately and I know because of Like it's all over TikTok.
Sam: Do you know a bar song by Shabuzy?
Ivan: No, no.
Sam: See, you are so out of it. That's been like hot for at least a week now. Maybe two.
Ivan: I, I, I realized that the other day as I pulled the list of my top,
Ivan: like 50 songs that whatever the hell I listened to, nobody else listens to.
Ivan: And these are not, and these are new.
Sam: Well, a bar song by Shabuzy. Here's the thing. It is country rap.
Ivan: Whatever the hell that means.
Sam: So yeah, listen to it. It's a good song. It's a good song. anyway
Sam: like i've added it to my apple music library but no but my point was and the
Sam: reason i like the apple list i don't know the list you're doing may have this
Sam: too but apple has the little e next to ones that are explicit so like right
Sam: now on the global 100 list if i look at the top 10,
Sam: seven of the top 10 have the e for explicit lyrics and so like and they're just
Sam: lots of like number And the top five, all of them, all of the top five.
Sam: And so you are talking about things you hear when you're like out in stores
Sam: or whatever, like most of them aren't going to go with the explicit lyrics.
Ivan: Right. You're not. Exactly. Well, it's like the complaint I just saw.
Sam: You know, now most like a large number of people at this point are no longer
Sam: offended by explicit lyrics.
Sam: That's why they're in the top 10 here. but like if you're running a grocery
Sam: store you're not gonna have the one where the guy's just screaming swear words all the time.
Ivan: You don't want somebody going saying we're gonna fuck that bitch,
Ivan: you're like all of a sudden at the store you're like what yeah it's like because
Ivan: songs will say that kind of stuff i'm like you know so yeah so it's like not
Ivan: exactly what you want in the store And so it brings me, you know,
Ivan: I guess to talk about my, whatchamacallit thing.
Sam: Your actual choice of topic for today?
Ivan: Yeah, yeah. You know, Donald Sutherland died. Okay.
Sam: Okay, yeah.
Ivan: And so it brought, you know, listen, even though it was such a small,
Ivan: small bit part, okay, in that movie.
Ivan: The movie that I remember him most for, or most fondly for, is Kentucky Fried Movie.
Sam: See, never seen it. I know a bar song by Shabuzy, but I don't even know if I've
Sam: even heard of a Kentucky Fried Movie.
Sam: I mean, I think I have. I couldn't tell you anything about it that wasn't speculation.
Sam: I assume from the title it's a comedy, and it's a parody of some sort.
Ivan: It's a it's it's a comedy it's a comedy and they parody quite a lot of things
Ivan: you know it's just it's it's a
Ivan: it's a comedy from the 70s of course and it parodies quite a lot of things.
Ivan: And one of the things about the movie is that it
Ivan: did have quite a lot of explicit stuff okay all
Ivan: right i mean there was there was there
Ivan: was a whole thing i mean for example
Ivan: there was there was this whole
Ivan: thing uh they had this they did these
Ivan: movie promos okay all right and they
Ivan: were parodying movies from the time okay okay one
Ivan: of them one of them was there was this movie called armageddon which in the
Ivan: 70s you had all these disaster movies for some reason yep i don't know what
Ivan: that like towering inferno and earthquake and the airplane series you know which
Ivan: i mean you You know, I mean, not the airplane, airport,
Ivan: because airplane made fun of airport movies.
Ivan: OK, and so you had all of these. So they were parodying a lot of this stuff.
Ivan: I can't remember what movie they were parodying, but there was one that was
Ivan: Catholic high school church girls in trouble.
Ivan: OK, and there was some explicit sex in that at that scene.
Ivan: And so one of the things is that the movie is available supposedly for free
Ivan: in YouTube, but I noticed that the the the one available on YouTube.
Ivan: Is a heavily edited version. Okay. All right. Yeah.
Ivan: You know, which, because I, if I remember that they did do a cut of that movie,
Ivan: heavily edited, that took out a lot of the explicit stuff. Okay. Okay.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: But the reality is, I mean, it made it not be very funny once you took all account, all of that.
Sam: Yeah, I can imagine.
Ivan: Imagine so so yeah i i get
Ivan: the whole thing with like a store whatever it did people and
Ivan: there were a lot of people on youtube oh this is youtube
Ivan: censorship and i'm like you morons this was
Ivan: actually there was a a cut from the
Ivan: damn studio because you know
Ivan: look you're a studio and you want to sell this right and yeah
Ivan: and you know you you put it out theaters and
Ivan: stuff but you also want to try to put it on television somewhere well
Ivan: you know you need a you need
Ivan: one that's a clean version just like the
Ivan: songs or whatever so you know they made one that was a a clean version and i'm
Ivan: sure that was like a lot cheaper than the other one because i i believe that
Ivan: i couldn't find it and it were online and i bought a dvd of it which i have
Ivan: here which is weird and i i i have I have some DVDs of some obscure movies like that,
Ivan: that for whatever the hell reason,
Ivan: I liked, and they were tough to get.
Ivan: That one, yeah, it's on, but it's, you know, they have that clean editor.
Ivan: I haven't looked for a different version, but that movie, some friends of mine
Ivan: from high school, we thought it was hilarious. So we always...
Ivan: Had fun with with the clips from that movie, and there was just this dumb clip
Ivan: in it where they got some big time actors in the movie, for example.
Ivan: Now, I mean, they got like Bill Bixby was in the movie, which back then Bill
Ivan: Bixby was big from being in The Incredible Hulk.
Sam: Right, right.
Ivan: Donald Sutherland was in the movie. But the thing is, Donald Sutherland was
Ivan: in the movie for, I mean, not even a minute.
Ivan: it okay and that's the thing so donald
Ivan: sutherland was in the movie they were doing this this this
Ivan: bit of calling it that's our the movie that's armageddon
Ivan: which they were making fun of all the disaster movies and in
Ivan: it for whatever reason donald sutherland is the clumsy waiter and he comes out
Ivan: without with a cake for birthday and he falls and smashes his face into the
Ivan: cake and for whatever reason that's in the promo for the movie and so all they
Ivan: say is donald Old Sutherland as the clumsy waiter.
Ivan: He comes out, just falls straight into a cake.
Ivan: That's about as cheap a comedy as you can get.
Ivan: It's just, hey, let me just throw a pie in the guy's face, which,
Ivan: you know, we're a cake in this case.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: And so I don't know why that to me was all, it was just so absurd that he took
Ivan: his time to go and participate in a movie simply for that little bit,
Ivan: that I just always found it amusing. And so he passed away this week.
Ivan: And so I was reminded of that damn movie, you know, which is.
Sam: Which unfortunately is now going to be on my list.
Ivan: Ah, good, good, good, good.
Sam: Because it's been mentioned on this show. So it has to be. That's a rule.
Ivan: You know, we've had a whole bunch of like, I mean, I, you know,
Ivan: the other movie that I wound up getting that I couldn't find anywhere is this
Ivan: movie, the Sean Connery movie called Wrong is Right.
Sam: Okay. I also have not heard of that.
Ivan: I think I may have mentioned this movie. The movie actually,
Ivan: It is a, is a, is they are making a prelude of the future of elections and the news,
Ivan: which I will tell you back then it seemed completely absurd.
Ivan: And now it's like, it's the same thing as when we were watching house of cards
Ivan: at the absurdity. And all of a sudden we're like, fuck, you know, we're beating fucking.
Sam: Which of course, as I previewed last week will be my topic when Yvonne is done here.
Ivan: So yeah so so we've got
Ivan: i mean wrong is right it's he is
Ivan: a a tv reporter and i don't
Ivan: know we've got a terrorist plot with two atom bombs but the
Ivan: one thing is how they make fun of how
Ivan: the news is entertained okay and
Ivan: and that in the future that's how news is going to
Ivan: be and how the political candidates you
Ivan: know handle stuff it was i
Ivan: found it i i thought it's interesting this movie did
Ivan: not perform well at the box office and i i believe it has a pretty bad review
Ivan: but but yeah but but i i for some reason liked it and got it and so if it's
Ivan: not on your list then you can add wrong is right okay i.
Sam: Want to do one more exercise returning to music for a second before we.
Ivan: Yeah yeah so so.
Sam: That we're looking at the same list actually open up your music app and go to
Sam: that global top 100 list that i described how to get to.
Ivan: All right let me let me go let me go okay hold on itunes there here we go okay we see the top songs go.
Sam: To browse and then scroll down to global top 100.
Ivan: I'll go to browse and then go to.
Sam: You have to go down a little daily top 100 city charts.
Ivan: Daily top 100.
Sam: Oh, there it is.
Ivan: Top 100 global.
Sam: Yeah. That one.
Ivan: Here we go.
Sam: Okay. Yeah. I just want you to do this and then I will go through the same exercise
Sam: of the top 25 on this list. How many do you recognize.
Ivan: The artists or the song?
Sam: The song?
Ivan: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm of the top 10. I'm over 10.
Sam: Okay. Go to 25. See if you get any.
Ivan: All right. See? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Ivan: Okay.
Ivan: I'm over 25. Fuck. I'm over 25.
Sam: Okay. Okay, so I've got like, depending how you count, like five or six.
Ivan: Wow.
Sam: Okay, so let me go like number four, we already mentioned A Bar Song by Shabuzy.
Sam: I have that. I have it in my iTunes library. Okay.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Next one that comes up for me is number 10, Houdini, the new Eminem song.
Sam: I have that. I have it in my library. I know what it is.
Ivan: Okay, I'm going down this list
Ivan: to see. I'm going through the whole top 100 to see if I know any of the.
Sam: Top number 13, beautiful things by Benson Boone.
Sam: I, the first ones I mentioned, I could like, you got one in the top 100 beautiful things.
Sam: I don't actually remember it off the top of my head, but I see that I have added
Sam: it to my iTunes library. So I must've heard it at least once and liked it.
Sam: I recognize fortnight by Taylor Swift.
Sam: I have heard, recognize, and have added to my library Lunch by Billie Eilish.
Sam: The next one up, I think I would recognize if I heard it, Cruel Summer by Taylor
Sam: Swift, but I have not added it to my library.
Sam: Last Night by Morgan Wallen. I have added to my library. I don't remember.
Ivan: How many are you up to now?
Sam: You're supposed to be counting for me. I don't know.
Ivan: I don't know.
Sam: That's the last one. Okay, let me do that again.
Ivan: That's a lot.
Sam: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Sam: I recognize seven and five of them were actually in my iTunes library.
Ivan: Wow. Okay. So that's out of the top 100?
Sam: Out of the top 25.
Ivan: A top 25. You're at a top 25, seven. Okay. So look, I just went through the top 100.
Ivan: I recognize one. And the only reason I recognize this is because it became...
Sam: Okay, which one is it?
Ivan: It is number 57, which is Fast Car by Luke Combs.
Sam: Right, right. I've got that in my library.
Ivan: But the only reason I know this was because of this whole thing that happened with...
Sam: With Tracy Chapman.
Ivan: With Tracy Chapman. That's it. If that hadn't happened...
Sam: Because, of course, it was a remake.
Ivan: It was her song. It's a remake.
Sam: It was a cover of a Tracy Chapman song, and they performed it together at the Grammys or something.
Ivan: Right. And that's the only reason I know that song, because if it wasn't for
Ivan: that, that it made the news, I would have been 0 for 100.
Ivan: I mean, completely. Holy shit.
Sam: One of my cousins was housemates with Tracy Chapman in college.
Ivan: Wow. Cool.
Sam: My my three degrees of separation or whatever the hell from or i guess it's two from two sure,
Sam: yeah so anyway now this actually is relevant to like a discussion that happened
Sam: under curmudgeon slash slack because i shared a graph of like how most people's
Sam: musical tastes ebb and flow with age that basically shows that like most people
Sam: and yvonne was like not me but most people are most
Sam: fond of the music.
Ivan: What? Basically, but not me. I pulled out the list. That's what it showed.
Ivan: What the hell you want? Well, you're saying it like I said it without any data.
Ivan: Look, I pulled up the fucking list and that's what the fucking list showed. What do you want me to do?
Sam: Anyway, the point was like for most people, the music they remember most fondly
Sam: and think is the best music comes from roughly, uh,
Sam: from when they were older children up until
Sam: the late teens maybe early 20s that's
Sam: the peak and before that and after that
Sam: like they basically most people don't like any music from before they were born
Sam: or from after they were 25 you know basically and like we all like compared
Sam: our apple music libraries and we're like look i've got lots of things that weren't
Sam: in those age ages you know but.
Ivan: Well i i i guess my whole thing is
Ivan: just that i i i just i'm i don't know
Ivan: i for whatever the hell reason whatever is the
Ivan: music that i mostly listen to it doesn't mean that i don't like songs from like
Ivan: the 80s and 90s it's just that it's not what i mostly listen to um right you
Ivan: know and i and i look that most of the stuff that i listen to is a lot newer
Ivan: than that But apparently.
Sam: Not top 2024 music.
Ivan: But it's not top it, but it's not, but it's not top.
Ivan: It's newer, but it's not top 100. Like none of the artists I listened to are popular.
Sam: Good.
Ivan: Well, well, I, I, well, I mean, I guess most people don't think they're good.
Ivan: I guess I, I just, I don't know.
Ivan: Let's see. What are the top 25 in Miami? I wonder, you know,
Ivan: I'm looking at regionally if it's like that, that different.
Ivan: I mean, I don't know. Let me see if there's anything I recognize more from like,
Ivan: oh, there's a Bad Bunny song.
Ivan: I don't even. OK, I know. OK, I know the artist. I don't know that song.
Ivan: I don't really listen to Bad Bunny. OK.
Ivan: Let's see. Top 25 songs in Miami. Do I recognize any of them?
Ivan: Let's see. All right, here we go. There's another test.
Ivan: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, for 25 again. Holy fuck.
Sam: Good job. You see, see now one of the things I have been doing lately.
Sam: Well, first of all, most of the newest things I, I, I, I'm on tech talk a bunch until they ban it.
Sam: and like if a song is trending on tiktok i
Sam: probably hear it and if i like it i add it to my music library
Sam: so like the the bar song thing and the
Sam: the new eminem were both really hot
Sam: on tiktok over the last few weeks okay so that that's
Sam: why i know them but like also like
Sam: of my i i just like just
Sam: like i have for movies and books i
Sam: of course have a very regimented system to decide what music
Sam: to listen to and one of the things i choose randomly from are the the global
Sam: and u.s top 100 lists here just to force myself to listen to some of the new
Sam: stuff and every once in a while i hear something i like and i add it although
Sam: i must admit i don't like most of it but go ahead okay.
Ivan: So but now here's the one thing i think it has to do also i'm somebody that really likes edm music.
Ivan: And there had been a surge of new EDM music in the last 20 years.
Ivan: And I noticed that I went to the top EDM list and I actually know number one,
Ivan: number two, number... All of a sudden, on that list, I know a whole bunch of them.
Sam: Mm-hmm. On the EDM list.
Ivan: On the EDM list, yes. I realized that, oh yeah, I know that one.
Ivan: Oh yeah, I know that one. Oh yeah, I'm like, all of a sudden,
Ivan: yeah. But those aren't really...
Ivan: popular right yeah i mean there was a there was a
Ivan: burst of like edm being popular like pop
Ivan: songs and some artists becoming whatever like it said years ago and then i'll
Ivan: that i'll you know kind of like uh yeah i mean i i know i'm looking at this
Ivan: list top songs oh i know these people oh i know this i'm looking at this i i'm
Ivan: looking at this oh i know all these so so so so that's that's That's interesting.
Ivan: So I guess it's really has to do with, with I, one of the things that with what's
Ivan: made it easier that we have digital,
Ivan: you know, excess of accessibility to downloads is that basically I've managed
Ivan: to do like, I guess just, just isolate myself from all this other music that
Ivan: I really don't want to hear.
Sam: You just get whatever you want. And like with music subscriptions at this point,
Sam: regardless of like it, it apparently Like it's not good for the artists.
Sam: Like they just don't get paid all that much for streaming.
Sam: But from the point of view of, you know, the consumer, you pay a monthly fee
Sam: and you get access to everything with no ads and whatever. Pretty much.
Ivan: Well, I heard that it was like, so, you know, somebody was having a discussion
Ivan: recently about that and what I heard. It was pretty interesting.
Ivan: I heard that Apple pays more per song than Spotify does.
Sam: For example.
Ivan: Than spotify but what happens is that i guess a lot more
Ivan: people use spotify so artists get more money
Ivan: from spotify but it's because there's a lot more spotify users right so that's
Ivan: that's that was the one thing that i that i got but per song apple does pay
Ivan: more than spotify okay so that was the one thing that i that i that i noticed
Ivan: uh but you know that it but but i i get it,
Ivan: I mean, I will say that I still buy songs occasionally.
Sam: I have not bought a song in at least a decade.
Ivan: Oh, God, no. Come on. No, I definitely have purchased songs far more recently than that. Let me check.
Sam: Well, I don't know. Let me let me let me. I don't know when I don't know.
Sam: Like, when did Apple Music launch their streaming service?
Sam: Because that's basically the last day I bought a song.
Sam: Before that, I was buying both from both from Amazon and from Apple.
Sam: I bought music and of course before that I bought CDs but like but but.
Ivan: Okay let's see you know I got out now is something something else to look up
Ivan: but since Apple music actually.
Sam: Started the streaming service I I just do that like.
Ivan: Music service okay let's see it was launched drumroll okay you want to take a guess the.
Sam: Last time you bought a song.
Ivan: No no no no one was When it was launched.
Sam: I don't know when Apple Music launched.
Ivan: I do have the answer.
Sam: 2014.
Ivan: You're close. 2015.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Very close. Okay. Very close. Let's see. When was the last time I bought a song?
Ivan: That's a great question. Let's see.
Ivan: Where's my purchases? There's something here purchased. I'm sure there's still
Ivan: a place where I can see. Okay.
Ivan: purchased hold on god I can't,
Ivan: that's more complicated than
Ivan: I expected here we go purchased uh huh uh huh here we go songs oh man I.
Sam: Found my last purchases but I don't see oh I can can I get the date how can I get the date i can um.
Ivan: It was in the last couple of weeks yeah
Ivan: it seems here we go let's see it hold on one second don't include copyrighted
Ivan: music come on i i i was not trying to do so but hold on one second i gotta why
Ivan: don't you show me the date,
Ivan: of when i purchased yeah you're showing me most recent yeah yeah i'm.
Sam: At the same point you have to go to the song go to go to your songs list make
Sam: sure you add the date to the headings the date.
Ivan: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um uh
Ivan: when i was looking for made me
Ivan: forget got as we we entertain you all with with our our looking for stuff music
Ivan: as we do something here we go gear release date no beats per minute no album
Ivan: rating no date added there we go,
Ivan: oh purchase date purchase date there we go yeah yeah yeah yeah okay there okay
Ivan: all right so So interesting.
Sam: Last thing I purchased was July 31st, 2016.
Ivan: My, my, my, my, my list doesn't want to sort.
Ivan: Oh, come on. Come on.
Sam: Anyway, I found the last song I purchased and just looked up that song. It was July 31st, 2016.
Sam: And know what? It was a special reason that I purchased that song.
Sam: It was when I made the Ray Lynch promo for this show.
Ivan: So what day was that again?
Sam: July 31st, 2016.
Ivan: Wow.
Sam: And I did that because, like, We were talking to Ray Lynch's wife about getting
Sam: official permission to use his songs at the beginning and end of the show.
Sam: And she said, fine, just include a promo and credit and whatever.
Sam: And so I made that promo that's still in rotation here. I promised to have it
Sam: in our rotation of promos as long as we're using the songs.
Sam: And in order to build that promo.
Ivan: You have to get the song.
Sam: I bought every single Ray Lynch album so that I could pick one song from every
Sam: album to include in that promo and that and that's when and that was what this
Sam: purchase was because not all of it was available to stream and even if it was
Sam: I probably would have bought it anyway because they were being nice to us so
Sam: like by their music you know well.
Ivan: They were being very they were being extremely nice with us.
Sam: So everybody buy Ray Lynch music. If you haven't already.
Ivan: Yes, definitely buy Ray Lynch music by.
Sam: All of his albums.
Ivan: All of them and.
Sam: Listen to them over and over again on streaming over and over.
Ivan: Over and over. Just, just, just put them on repeat.
Sam: So are we done with the music?
Ivan: I don't know. Are we, why is this thing refusing to do what I am asking it to do?
Sam: Okay. So do you know what song was the last one you did? and now you're searching for the song?
Ivan: Okay, here we go. Yeah, hold on. So if you know what song.
Sam: Go in library menu, songs, then you can sort that list alphabetically, find the song.
Ivan: Okay, it looks like it was May 8th, 2023.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Okay, so it was one year.
Sam: Much more recently than mine.
Ivan: Yeah. Yes. There you go. That's what it's looking like, yes.
Sam: Now are we done with music?
Ivan: Probably. Maybe.
Sam: Maybe we will never listen to another song in our lives. We're done with it.
Ivan: I doubt that's the case.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Well, unless we get annihilated now today.
Sam: Let's try not to.
Ivan: I would be great. You know, I'm trying to avoid that.
Sam: Okay. As promised, I finished a TV show and it was the American version of house of cards.
Sam: I finished all six seasons of it before I talk about this.
Ivan: So let me, Let me ask a question about this. So did we all just,
Ivan: was it like a massive group of people like, like us, we just all of a sudden
Ivan: there was somewhere along that house of cards, which is what just said, ah, forget it.
Sam: Well, what happened to me is I caught up with the present in house of cards.
Sam: And according to my system, that meant it fell out of my rotation.
Sam: And then it only came back on my rotation a couple of years ago.
Ivan: Okay. Interesting.
Sam: Yeah, because I caught up to the present. So I moved it off my current list
Sam: onto a backup list to come back to when I had an opening in my rotation,
Sam: which took several years for it for me to get an opening and for me to pick
Sam: randomly out of my list of backlog items to go back to House of Cards.
Sam: okay um but before i get
Sam: into my review of the american house of cards series
Sam: let me put in a plug for the british house
Sam: of cards series that it was based on yeah and it actually the way they it's
Sam: actually listed like if you look on wikipedia it's separate shows that were
Sam: sequels of each other house of cards then to play the king then final cut each
Sam: of which was essentially a four
Sam: -episode miniseries, but I considered them sort of as seasons of the British
Sam: House of Cards because they follow one after another with the same characters.
Sam: It's really seasons of a show. They just called it something different there.
Sam: They called it three different miniseries.
Sam: Anyway, the British version of House of Cards and To Play the King and Final Cut, excellent series.
Sam: So if you've only watched the American one, you should pull out the British version two.
Sam: it was the three seasons were 1990 1993
Sam: and 1995 so a little
Sam: older than this and of course that was the whole thing was based on a book from
Sam: 1989 okay but i have not read the book so i cannot speak to the book but the
Sam: british series is excellent go watch the british series it it is different than the american one is.
Ivan: It okay is is it better than the american one in your opinion They.
Sam: Are very different. If I could only pick one to watch.
Ivan: Yeah. Yeah.
Sam: The British one.
Ivan: Okay. So there you have it.
Sam: But it's been many, many years since I watched the British one.
Sam: Like basically when the American one came out, I said, okay,
Sam: I'm going to watch the American one, but I have to watch the British one first.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So I probably, the American one started in, when did it start?
Sam: Where are my years here? 2013. So I probably watched the British one around 2013, 2014.
Sam: Okay. The British one. No, not the British one. The American one.
Sam: Yeah. This is the one with Kevin Spacey. And a lot of people did stop watching.
Sam: Like you were just saying, like it wasn't my situation because it was a little
Sam: bit different, but I think there were two things that happened.
Sam: One. Well, let's just, let's just get this off the bat. I think the first three
Sam: seasons of house of cards were excellent.
Sam: Fourth was. Eh. Okay. Five and six were utter crap.
Ivan: Okay. Okay.
Sam: So a lot of people were dropping off
Sam: because the quality started declining after the
Sam: first three seasons anyway and then a lot more
Sam: people dropped when kevin spacey got
Sam: into his sex scandal yeah and got fired right you know and and even like the
Sam: the last i forget the exact timing but even people who had were still on kevin
Sam: spacey seasons of house of he was in the first five only the The last one was out without him.
Sam: A lot of people dropped off, you know, a couple of weeks ago with Pete,
Sam: I talked about sort of the whole notion of do you support and watch media that
Sam: is done by people who are problematic?
Sam: And a lot of people dropped house of cards simply because it turns out Kevin Spacey was a dick.
Sam: You know, I mean, he was out there sexually harassing young men.
Sam: And now apparently allegedly. Well, he was acquitted.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: He went to court and was acquitted. So like, well, okay.
Ivan: Listen, conviction doesn't mean that he didn't do it. Okay.
Sam: No, it doesn't.
Ivan: And by the way, he recently gave an interview where he.
Sam: He, uh, he cried about not having his house in Baltimore because it was possessed. It repossessed.
Ivan: Well, not that. That wasn't the part that I was focused on.
Ivan: I think I focused on the fact that even though he was acquitted,
Ivan: you know, one thing that I heard him say directly was that he feels,
Ivan: I don't know if it's, at least he expressed this.
Ivan: I'm not going to say that, I'm not going to parse whether it's truth or not.
Ivan: But what he was what he was saying was that it seems that he made a lot of people
Ivan: uncomfortable doing stuff that he felt that he felt bad about that.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: And that he realizes that now. Now, look, I don't know if he's saying this for
Ivan: I mean, I can't judge whether he's being truthful or not.
Ivan: I'm just saying that unlike, because I've seen others that have done this kind
Ivan: of stuff and they will, you know, I never did anything wrong,
Ivan: like going down to the grave, but he actually got acquitted and he actually admitted that.
Sam: Actually, just looking, I'm looking up the, so three charges were dismissed
Sam: and the jury found him not guilty of the remaining nine charges.
Sam: This was for charges in the UK of sexual assault against three people who complained.
Sam: And there were earlier, there were allegations from lots more people than the
Sam: ones that actually went to court.
Ivan: Correct.
Sam: Oh, yeah.
Ivan: Oh, no, I know.
Sam: So basically the C.
Sam: blah, blah, blah. On October 2017, actor Anthony Rapp alleged that Spacey,
Sam: while appearing intoxicated, made a sexual advance towards him at a party in
Sam: 1986 when Rapp was 14 and Spacey was 26.
Sam: Rapp had also shared this story in a 2001 interview, but Spacey's name had been
Sam: redacted from the publication to avoid legal disputes.
Sam: Spacey stated on Twitter that he did not remember the encounter,
Sam: but he owed Rapp the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate
Sam: drunken behavior if he had behaved as asserted.
Sam: In 2020, Rapp sued Spacey for sexual assault, sexual battery,
Sam: and intentional affliction of emotional distress under the Child Victims Act.
Sam: In the subsequent federal court proceeding, jury found that Spacey did not molest
Sam: Rapp and was found not liable on all counts,
Sam: with Rapp subsequently ordered by the court to pay Spacey
Sam: $39,000 in damages that was the first then 15 others came forward alleging similar
Sam: abuse and then the charges i was mentioning in the uk were a later set of charges
Sam: for conduct that was supposedly happened in 2001 through 2004 so so how do.
Ivan: They write so how do they write them off the series.
Sam: So okay let let me get to let me get to that so the the first again the first
Sam: three seasons i I think we're excellent.
Sam: Maybe they declined a little bit as you went through one through three,
Sam: but the first three seasons were really good.
Ivan: No, they were really good.
Sam: Four was really kind of mediocre and felt like things were starting to get really
Sam: stretched and we're like, okay, you kind of kid.
Sam: It was still okay in season four. It wasn't bad in season four in season five
Sam: though, which was the last one with Kevin Spacey.
Sam: Things started happening that were like, what? That doesn't even make sense.
Sam: One of the things that was cool about House of Cards is that the main character,
Sam: who was Frank Underwood, was who Kevin Spacey played, would manipulate the American
Sam: political system in creative ways.
Sam: Now, some of them very, very illegal. They involve murder.
Sam: Other things were happening, blackmail, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: But the details of the politics were always kind of right.
Sam: Like if I talked about how the Senate worked or how, you know,
Sam: somebody gets appointed to the vice presidency or how, you know,
Sam: all of this stuff, those details were right.
Sam: And that was good. In season five, a lot of the details weren't even right. It's like.
Ivan: It's just all like the shit. They just started making up shit.
Sam: I like get into the constitutional minutia of like how things like what happens
Sam: when the 25th Amendment is invoked or what happens when the Electoral College
Sam: doesn't have a majority and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: And they went to a scenario where, okay, in season five, it's either end of
Sam: season four, beginning of season five, I forget.
Sam: But they had an election that went into the Electoral College because two states
Sam: had their elections disrupted and did not declare a winner or whatever.
Sam: And it was enough to throw it into the Electoral College. but what happened
Sam: you know it goes into the house and the house votes over and over and over again
Sam: out out of the top three categories until they come up with a winner that's
Sam: the constitutionally mandated thing somehow they had a couple votes in the house
Sam: and then we're like you know what,
Sam: let's order new elections in those two states there is no mechanism for that to happen.
Ivan: Yeah, I see that they completely lost. They went off the rails.
Sam: They went off the rails in terms of all that kind of stuff. And then you asked,
Sam: how did they write him out?
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Well, how they were, the scandal happened after season five, before season six.
Ivan: Uh-huh.
Sam: They wrote him out by the first episode of season six, you know,
Sam: his wife coming on the screen and saying, well, he's dead.
Sam: And now i'm you know what way to do it you
Sam: know because the season five ended
Sam: with him resigning the presidency and his wife who had also been his vice presidential
Sam: candidate it was it was like he they ran for president with him as the presidential
Sam: candidate and hers the vice presidential candidate and then it went into the
Sam: house and because the presidency couldn't be be decided by the house.
Sam: The Senate picked the vice president and she became acting president because
Sam: there was no president decided on.
Sam: And so she was president for a while. And then he eventually won.
Sam: He became president, but then he resigned and she was president again.
Sam: And that was how, that's how the season ended.
Sam: Season five ended, something like that. And then season six just ended with,
Sam: well, he died of our, it ended as it started at his funeral or something is
Sam: he He had had a heart attack.
Sam: He just had a heart attack and died. And then one of the things that was a mystery
Sam: over the course of the last season was, was it actually a heart attack or did
Sam: she kill him or did somebody else kill him?
Sam: You know, and it wasn't even 100% fully resolved by the end.
Sam: But like, look in season six, the thing is that this, this, the,
Sam: the series had already lost the plot.
Sam: Like, I mean, like it was just so convoluted and so unbelievable.
Sam: Season five was really hard in season six when they lost their main character.
Sam: I mean, she was really good in the show. His wife was played by Robin Wright,
Sam: and she was excellent in the show too, but she couldn't carry it the same way he carried it.
Sam: And they also never quite figured out the right way to deal with her.
Sam: Because one of the things is she'd been played up through this point as incredibly
Sam: smart and incredibly savvy.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: And and for the second half of season five and all of season six,
Sam: it seemed like both her and Frank Underwood, when he was still alive,
Sam: were being horribly manipulated by other people into really doing stupid things.
Sam: And the first few seasons, they were the smart ones manipulating everyone else.
Ivan: Right. They were the ones that. Exactly.
Sam: And then suddenly the tables are turned and it seems like these other people
Sam: are suddenly really obviously manipulating them and they're falling for it.
Sam: And, and it just like, and that
Sam: went on throughout most of season six spoilers sort of towards the end.
Sam: It seems like she somehow ended up getting the upper hand again over all the
Sam: people who were trying to manipulate her for the whole season.
Sam: But for like the longest time, it seemed like she was just doing stupid shit
Sam: and falling into their traps. And, you know, so, yeah, so basically first three seasons, excellent.
Sam: Fourth, eh, five, bad, six, really bad.
Sam: You know, that's, that's my review of the American version of House of Cards.
Ivan: Okay. Wow.
Sam: Oh, and I mentioned the British ones. Basically in season one of the American version,
Sam: there are lots of parallels between the British version and
Sam: what happened in the us version of
Sam: season one after that they completely diverge and even
Sam: in season one there were only sort of parallels it
Sam: wasn't like it didn't it never seemed like they were just remaking the british
Sam: version there were just some things that like you could that were similar there
Sam: were some similar plot points but it was never like oh yeah this is clearly
Sam: just you know they're just doing exactly the same thing with americans yeah so okay.
Ivan: So what are you what's your ver i mean you like the seasons what would you you
Ivan: know i i mean you you rated the seasons okay you know it's not if you had to
Ivan: rate the overall package.
Sam: Overall pack like if okay if you stop after season three big thumbs up if you
Sam: have to watch all six thumbs sideways like it averages out to a sideways because
Sam: okay the the end was bad like yeah you You know, I mean,
Sam: it was still it was still entertaining,
Sam: I guess. It's just like it is.
Sam: It had clearly lost the thread of what made it really good in the first few seasons.
Ivan: I mean, I kind of remember and I'm remembering when I stopped watching it and
Ivan: I'm realizing that it was around the time of that season.
Ivan: Yeah, it's like one, two, three was great. and then it was in season,
Ivan: what the hell it was there was one where they tried to assassinate him and they
Ivan: when everything starts like completely like disconnecting from reality like
Ivan: you said that's really when it
Ivan: lost me and I was just like I don't need to watch this shit anymore yeah,
Ivan: So, I mean, because it wasn't that, you know, that it was like,
Ivan: it just wasn't, it just, it just seems sloppy. That's it.
Sam: Right. So. Okay. We've gone way too long with this stuff.
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Sam: Okay. Topic. What are we talking about, Yvonne?
Ivan: What are we going to talk about? Well, I'll go and I'll deviate the subject, I guess.
Ivan: So there was this story this week.
Ivan: I can't remember what publication did this. I can't remember where it was published,
Ivan: but I know a number of people started talking about it, about the stock market
Ivan: right now with tech and looking back at the tech bubble.
Ivan: And they were talking about how certain companies,
Ivan: well, they were talking more specifically about NVIDIA, specifically as NVIDIA
Ivan: has eclipsed everybody else as the largest market capitalization company right
Ivan: now because the man for their ships is just through the roof. I and.
Ivan: You know, the discussion was, hey, is this are we looking at the,
Ivan: you know, like what it was in the tech bubble back in back in the late 90s, 2000,
Ivan: you know, and the reality is that now it's just it's it's it's not.
Ivan: I mean, when you look at the metrics and, you know, at the numbers, it's just there is no.
Ivan: Nvidia right now is at a multiple that is well within a normal multiple that
Ivan: is also well within what their forecast for revenue and profits are.
Ivan: OK, and, you know, we're talking somewhere like.
Sam: Within sort of normal ranges that you would expect with a company,
Sam: with their with their fundamentals, with the actual results they're making.
Ivan: Exactly, exactly. Whereas back then it was just, look, the companies, none of them made money.
Ivan: Hell, a whole bunch of them didn't have any fucking revenue.
Ivan: OK, and we were valuing them at hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.
Ivan: OK, all right. I mean, I'm going to say, I'm going to look up to see,
Ivan: I mean, one of the big ones that was at that point, AOL, okay?
Ivan: AOL at one point was the be-all, end-all, okay?
Ivan: I mean, Yahoo and AOL, I mean, AOL was valued at $200 billion, okay?
Ivan: All right? At its peak. Okay.
Ivan: And I don't think it ever made money.
Sam: Ever?
Ivan: Yeah. Ever.
Ivan: Yes. Ever.
Sam: Well, I guess they spent enough on those damn discs.
Ivan: Don't.
Ivan: Yeah. I mean.
Sam: I mean, how could they not? I paid them for 10 years after the last time I used
Sam: dial-up for the dial-up service. They should have made money just on me.
Ivan: That's true. I, you know, I get that, but I don't think it generated any accounting
Ivan: profits during that entire time. Whereas, you know.
Ivan: I mean, NVIDIA actually is making billions.
Ivan: I mean, their revenue is through the roof. They're really, they're raking in a lot of money.
Ivan: Okay. This isn't just, you know, we're buying the latest tech.
Ivan: There is meat on the bone on this company. Okay.
Sam: Well, let me ask a couple questions, though. is the meat that is on the bone
Sam: because they are actually selling real stuff driven by its own bubble like they're
Sam: big for a graphic cards right which are used for.
Ivan: Two things okay let me let me just say whoa okay
Ivan: go ahead okay okay okay i just looked up this chart um uh of their profit they're
Ivan: only they made no money in 08 no money on 09 no money in 2010 no money in 2011
Ivan: it appears Here's that they made money in one quarter in 2012.
Sam: AOL, you're talking.
Ivan: Yes. No.
Sam: In 2012? They were still around in 2012?
Ivan: Yeah, they were still around. They were AOL Time Warner. Remember,
Ivan: they had merged, and then there was a complete disaster, and the market cap crashed.
Ivan: And that's, I think, the only reason why they made money is because they had
Ivan: merged with AOL Time Warner.
Sam: Well, I was going to say, so Time Warner made money, and they just had AOL in the name now.
Ivan: Correct. Well, yes. Yes.
Sam: Like, when you were talking about AOL making money, I presume you meant pre-merger.
Ivan: Well, but they bought Time Warner. They bought Time Warner!
Sam: Yeah, I guess so.
Ivan: You know, they bought fucking Time Warner!
Sam: Anyway no i was gonna say yes yes nvidia correct me if i'm wrong they're big
Sam: money makers graphic cards right it's.
Ivan: Not graphics cards anymore it's the gpus.
Sam: Well no no well yes gpu graphic processor unit well okay fine yeah but.
Ivan: It's not a card we're not they're not shipping out fucking cards they're shipping chips.
Sam: Well not even well chips and like big units that use the the chips, all kinds of stuff.
Sam: But here's the thing.
Ivan: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. Let me correct you on something.
Sam: Yes.
Ivan: Because a lot of people have their own hardware which they're integrating this in.
Sam: Yes, of course, of course.
Ivan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not, they will ship those, but the reality is that
Ivan: a lot of the demand, including my employer, is they have an infrastructure that they had created.
Ivan: And Chipsa, they use those for that purpose, yes.
Sam: Okay, okay. But here's the thing that I was going to, The point of my question
Sam: was, isn't the demand for those things being driven in its own bubble by two
Sam: things, first crypto and second AI?
Sam: Those are the big uses of these things, right?
Ivan: Well, crypto was the big one at first, right? And that had been.
Sam: But crypto, that's kind of going down, but AI is going up, right? Right.
Ivan: Right. Yeah. But crypto, you know, wasn't a driver of this kind of valuation.
Ivan: OK, sure. I mean, crypto had had been something that that had made NVIDIA definitely grow over years.
Sam: Well, well, people were buying tens of thousands of these to set up crypto farms and stuff.
Ivan: Yeah. Of course, it's become less profitable to do that.
Sam: That's no longer lucrative in the same way that it was. Yes.
Ivan: It's not but but but for a while there.
Sam: Was a big you know people were going out and building huge data centers of gpus
Sam: out in the middle of nowhere.
Ivan: How was it even data centers they were fucking stuffing them they're trying
Ivan: to find it would find they would find the corner of the earth that they could
Ivan: find the cheapest electrical that they could that would stick these things over there yes yes Yes.
Sam: And then shove it full of these things. Yes.
Ivan: Right. Yeah. Literally in literally in like trailers and closets. Yes.
Sam: Yes. And yes. And a whole range of them. But the point was there was a bubble because of that.
Sam: And now it seems like the, the searches on people are doing the same thing in
Sam: this land rush over AI that uses the same kind of chips that's coming from Nvidia.
Ivan: Nvidia well i guess the question is whether the ai
Ivan: land rush is real well here's one thing right now the
Ivan: ai land rush is making money okay that's
Ivan: the one thing unlike a whole bunch of land rushes that we did before okay like
Ivan: like you know the real estate one didn't make money okay the the that internet
Ivan: one where we had the web vans in a world uh the the buy.coms of the world what the
Ivan: fuck i gotta think of another one that was famous that went away i don't know which you know,
Ivan: Web van was a big one. That one was a big disaster.
Ivan: Of course, that turned out. It's just most of those, remember,
Ivan: it wasn't that they were shit. They were just too early.
Sam: There were a bunch that were too early. And that's actually something that if
Sam: you look back a few hundred years, this has played out in many industries where
Sam: the first innovator in the industry goes out and builds the infrastructure,
Sam: then goes bankrupt because the infrastructure costs so much.
Sam: and then new companies come in utilizing the infrastructure that was built by
Sam: the first players at a cheaper price and then they are huge successes.
Ivan: Listen, from that implosion, okay, all right, a company I do a lot of business
Ivan: with, America Mobile from Mexico, they picked up, so a bunch of American companies
Ivan: had invested in all this fiber.
Ivan: Well, one of the companies, Global Crossing, for example, do you remember,
Ivan: does that name ring a bell?
Sam: It rings a bell.
Ivan: There was a company that was laying fiber all over the world and all the fiber went
Ivan: dark and they got bought listen this guy from america mobile
Ivan: bought global crossing bought all these telcos that
Ivan: all these people u.s companies european had
Ivan: spent tens hundreds of billions of dollars at
Ivan: cents on the dollar and is now minting you know minting money off of it basically
Ivan: because it was built that way but i guess that listen the one thing with ai
Ivan: and what we're talking about is i know we got this land rush this goes back
Ivan: we're going to talk about ai again shit well is ai I real or not.
Sam: It keeps coming up. It's all, it's almost like Donald Trump keeps coming up.
Ivan: Fuck keeps coming up. Look, I do think that a lot of the stuff that's happening,
Ivan: there is a land rush and there's probably going to be a, uh,
Ivan: an adjustment at some point. Now the one, but the key question is right now,
Ivan: look, are you paying, are you paying for vapor?
Ivan: Are you paying for vapor right now? The answer is no. Could that,
Ivan: could that demand fall off because so much right now there's,
Ivan: there's such a big bubble on it. Yes.
Sam: Well, I mean, this is, this is so common that there are cartoons on the cycle, right?
Sam: There's always a hype cycle where people get super, super excited of something.
Sam: It like it rises and rises and everybody thinks it's a great new thing.
Sam: And then reality sort of hits in that. It's not living up to all of the hype.
Sam: Things fall back down a little bit and then reality catches up.
Ivan: But I'm going to tell you something. I think I've got to tell you something.
Ivan: I'm going to give you my, my, listen, I don't think, I think that in a lot of
Ivan: things with it's like the.com.
Sam: The.com bubble is a perfect example, right? There was the big pop,
Sam: and then it went down for a little while.
Sam: And right now, the stuff that came out of that, when it re-rose later,
Sam: and it took a while, but Eclipse is anything we had during the dot-com bubble.
Sam: The entire world is dot-com now, essentially.
Ivan: Basically, yes. Yeah.
Sam: And so I remember after the dot-com bubble burst, when I worked at Merrill Lynch,
Sam: and And they started getting rid of their web divisions and stuff, saying, we told you so.
Sam: We told you this was all nonsense and it was going away.
Sam: And so we don't need the web people anymore. We'll go back to buying TV ads, whatever.
Sam: But wait a few years and everything's online. Everything is online.
Ivan: But look, listen, we've been playing around with some of this AI shit on here.
Ivan: And I've seen, you know, you've talked about some of the stuff that you've been able to do.
Ivan: And I've seen a whole bunch of this stuff that a lot of people have been able
Ivan: to do, even with just the stuff in its infancy.
Ivan: And I got to tell you, okay, it's not hype. It's not bullshit.
Sam: But at the moment, but like every time I use chat GPT right now,
Sam: doesn't it lose money for open AI?
Ivan: I don't know. It's a good question. But I don't know. But if you're a buyer of NVIDIA, who cares?
Ivan: But I'm like, fuck them. I don't care.
Ivan: OK, you know, I mean, that's the thing. I think that the people that are,
Ivan: you know, obviously a number of people are monetizing it around that and building
Ivan: certain things around it and extracting value out of it.
Ivan: I think, look, just the biggest difference between back then and now,
Ivan: I don't know because about the financials on the company itself,
Ivan: but all the big players that are around it, that are investing in it are profitable entities. Okay.
Ivan: And so it's unlike that moment back then where basically nobody was making money.
Ivan: And there was like, you know, the valuations were all just based on, on, on, I mean.
Sam: Like to, to avoid talking about either of our companies. Yeah.
Ivan: It's a good idea.
Sam: Apple announced a whole bunch of AI stuff, right?
Ivan: Yeah. Let's talk about Apple. There you go. Yes.
Sam: Let's talk about Apple. But like, this is going to cost them a shitload of money.
Sam: And Apple has a lot of money to burn, but, but does, but will.
Ivan: What's a few billion, what's a few billion down the fucking, you know, down the pike.
Sam: Well, and that, and that's the big question though, in the end,
Sam: is that money down the toilet because it doesn't end up going anywhere.
Ivan: Can I tell you something? One thing that I've realized that we had this discussion,
Ivan: online about about how smart intelligent assistants are okay and and you know
Ivan: one thing is that we had beat up on siri a lot right let me tell you something
Ivan: i started going because i think a while back i backed off of asking stuff you.
Sam: Mentioned this a few episodes ago.
Ivan: No no no but but this is like even more after that i did but we we did one where
Ivan: i think the The question was related to the, you know, who won the presidential
Ivan: election and we had that thing.
Sam: No, no. But you talked recently about how much better Syria has gotten recently.
Ivan: No, no, no. But this was just based on stuff I read. Okay.
Ivan: Now I'm telling you that I started asking it.
Ivan: Okay. So after the last time we talked about it, I just started asking it more questions.
Ivan: And I started getting a lot more correct answers. Okay.
Ivan: Than I expected on some shit. And I'm realizing, wait a minute, what the fuck?
Ivan: This thing is actually, you know, shit that it failed miserably before.
Ivan: It's answering correctly on the first try. I'm not being thrown off into some stupid bullshit.
Sam: And of course, part of what they announced last week was that the next version
Sam: of iOS and Mac OS that's coming out this fall will, of course,
Sam: double and triple down on all the AI stuff.
Sam: All kinds of new AI features are included, including some integration with chat GPT.
Ivan: Well, and good news for Apple is that, I don't know, I guess I think,
Ivan: who was it? dell ship oh we've shipped our new ai laptops apparently they're
Ivan: crap as you would expect that they're just utter crap.
Sam: Well so and this is the whole question of like you know your point on nvidia
Sam: and some of these other things are we having another bubble that's going to
Sam: burst part of it is like okay well nvidia is actually making money unlike the
Sam: dot-com boom but sure Like for, again,
Sam: to me, the next question down is, are they making lots of money based on a market
Sam: that itself is a bubble that will burst at some point?
Sam: And I don't know. Like, I feel like this AI stuff, like I said,
Sam: I think that the current hype is a little bit overboard. board.
Sam: However, I think like all of these other technologies, it's going to, there'll be a crest.
Sam: People will be disappointed by it for a while. And then in the background,
Sam: it will continue to develop and get better and better and better.
Sam: And when we get five, 10 years down the road, maybe not even that long, we will stop.
Sam: We will eventually have stuff that lives up to the initial hype it's just it'll be a second wave.
Ivan: By the way open ai is not you know yeah that's what i thought open ai is private
Ivan: we have no idea what their financials are oh.
Sam: I know i know it's it's private and they've got this weird non-profit private profit hybrid thing.
Ivan: Right but they haven't even published but but but you know some private companies
Ivan: like that do publish some stuff,
Ivan: In terms of financials, for whatever reasons that they have to sometimes,
Ivan: and now they haven't published anything.
Ivan: So we have no idea about really their revenues. When you ask whether they're
Ivan: making money or losing money on everyone, there really is no good way to tell.
Sam: But, and of course that whole thing with their CEO,
Sam: like being fired and then being brought back and all that was all related to
Sam: the interrelationship between the nonprofit that owns it and the profit that's
Sam: owned by it and the relationships it has with other companies.
Sam: And there's all kinds of craziness going on there. I like, yeah,
Sam: I kind of wish it was a public company because I think there's a lot of like
Sam: weird shit going on inside there that I think would be interesting to know. But like, I.
Ivan: Think there's a lot of competition coming in the pike too.
Sam: Oh, there is. There are a lot of other places that are doing stuff right now.
Sam: And anybody who's not doing anything right now,
Sam: like, you know, Apple's doing a partner with chat GPT in addition to everything
Sam: else they're doing, because like everyone else, there's this big fear of missing
Sam: out thing. Like this is the big new thing.
Sam: That's finally going to be the big growth thing that, you know,
Sam: we've been talking for for years about how tech got boring and how like,
Sam: you know, we had the, the iPhone and the iPad and it revolutionized everything.
Sam: But then for quite a while now, it's been sort of like, yeah,
Sam: there's, there's the newest update to the iPhone it's blah.
Sam: And, and now the question that all of these companies are doing is,
Sam: is this finally the actual next big thing that's going to revolutionize the
Sam: the world and make the, you know, forget about billionaires and a hundred billionaires
Sam: is one of these going to make the first trillionaire, you know?
Ivan: Hopefully we'll tax them so that we don't. Okay. That's my hope.
Sam: Yeah. Good luck with that. They'll just move to the moon.
Ivan: Well, they can stay over there anyway.
Sam: No, Elon's going, Elon's going to Mars, not the moon. So, you know, perfect.
Ivan: Beautiful. He can stay over there too. He doesn't have to come back. It's fine.
Ivan: Okay. I will pay him the one way ticket to it.
Ivan: One thing, it's just that we,
Ivan: the question I have about systems like this is what is the change that it's
Ivan: going to instill in how we live and work, okay?
Ivan: OK, because if you think about 60, 70 years ago, well, how an office environment
Ivan: worked, OK, completely different from what the heck it was in the 90s, 2000s.
Ivan: And then now, OK, even like right now, where we went from these offices that
Ivan: were populated by all of these people that were doing administrative work,
Ivan: you know, paper shuffling, organizing, collating, pushing, you know, record keeping.
Ivan: That was all manual. That was, look, the job of record keeping and accurate record keeping.
Sam: There were file cabinets everywhere. everywhere even even when i first started
Sam: in offices there were file cabinets everywhere.
Ivan: There were file cabinets everywhere and but sam i still remember like banks
Ivan: how they kept track of your fucking money back then it was crazy you had these
Ivan: fucking books yeah you had this passbook that you would go over there and they
Ivan: would print the balance on your fucking passbook of what the the hell you had?
Ivan: And they had these these, you know, big machines in which they would do it on
Ivan: and I don't like what the, you know, I, it was just how the hell they kept track and they sent,
Ivan: Statements, you know, one thing I learned about while I worked at Kodak,
Ivan: for example, is that credit card processing, international credit card processing.
Ivan: I learned about this about American Express because I talked to some of the
Ivan: people that did this for American Express.
Ivan: But think about if you were in Argentina, which was a country where most of
Ivan: these people were based out of, you spent money on an American Express card there.
Ivan: The slips would go first from there. They would go to a bank.
Ivan: They would go to American Express and they got them in the office.
Ivan: And then over there, they would first, they would, they have these machines
Ivan: that would, that would microfilm all of those receipts every day.
Ivan: Okay. They would put them on a microphone.
Ivan: They would load that microfilm on a plane and send it to New York. Okay.
Ivan: Then in New York. Yeah.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: A whole bunch of people in front of an IBM mainframe started keying away each
Ivan: one of these fucking transactions.
Ivan: Okay. that you did internationally that arrived in a microfilm in order to process
Ivan: a credit card transaction.
Ivan: This could take days to do this right now.
Ivan: Whereas right now, I go down there, I fuck with Apple Pay, I just tap a fucking
Ivan: thing and it immediately dings my account in one second.
Ivan: So we've moved from that.
Sam: And they're finally getting rid of some of the vestiges of that too.
Sam: Like, you know, it used to be several days to clear a stock transaction or whatever.
Ivan: Oh, shit. Now we're like one day down to one day.
Sam: Yeah. And, and even one day is like, come on, like you, you could do that in seconds. Come on.
Ivan: Yeah. It should be instant. So, so the one thing is, you know,
Ivan: we went from, from all that manual work to,
Ivan: into an electronic era, okay, at first, and how this will transform that as well.
Ivan: Because I think, you know, we arrived at this era of the ERP,
Ivan: of the mainframe computer, of all of these things, and how, and I think that
Ivan: this is a changer of what the next evolution of work is going to be.
Ivan: I really think, because of a lot of the drawbacks that we've talked about,
Ivan: no, I keep looking at my work, and I realize it's like how I've been doing some
Ivan: PowerPoint points lies at using the AI.
Ivan: Listen, this thing cannot replace me yet.
Ivan: It's not even close and it may be decades before it is. It's the same problem
Ivan: that they've got with making a car make a fucking left turn on its own.
Sam: But it can save you time.
Ivan: It can save you time. It can make you work faster.
Ivan: It can make you more efficient. It can make things happen that it would take
Ivan: forever ever, 20, 30 years ago, that even like now take me a long time.
Ivan: I, you know, for certain things that I have to do, I have to go through several
Ivan: systems, one that does this, one that does this, the other one that does this,
Ivan: integrate, do whatever what now.
Ivan: And I've seen like some of these AI, real working AI, you know,
Ivan: models that I've seen now.
Ivan: automate a whole bunch of these things. Okay. When they're implemented properly,
Ivan: not, you know, not this, not some of this bullshit.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: You know what I'm looking at? I'm like, shit. I mean, you know.
Sam: It's, I'll get, I'll give you another example of that.
Sam: You know, I've mentioned before that for election graphs, I want to do this
Sam: modeling that takes into account the amount of time told the election, et cetera.
Sam: I'm taking next week off to do it. But one of the prep things that I need to
Sam: do is just transform the data that I had manually in spreadsheets in 2008 and
Sam: 2012 into the same format that I want to have it that matches what I've used in 2016 onward,
Sam: so that I can do my calculations and stuff based on that.
Sam: And so I was thinking about like, okay, how would I do this transformation?
Sam: Because it's rote stuff. It's very, you know it's it's just copy and paste and
Sam: change the format and blah blah blah yes.
Ivan: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh-huh.
Sam: It's all that kind of stuff and what i and at one point i'm like thinking do
Sam: i want to export this and then write a script and do this and do that or do
Sam: i want to copy and paste here and then export in excel what do i want to do
Sam: and then like you know let me just give chat gpt a shot.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So I just said, I've got this Excel spreadsheet and I want to re I want to transform
Sam: this into this other format in this way. I want these columns.
Sam: I want to throw, I want to throw out everything else. I only care about these
Sam: columns and I want it in this format.
Sam: And I said that, and then I copy and pasted the cells I cared about from Excel
Sam: directly into chat GPT, Just control C, control V, I hit return,
Sam: and it spit out exactly what I fucking wanted.
Sam: You know, I mean.
Ivan: That's, that's a massive time saver.
Sam: And like, could I do it? Could I do it the old way? Yes.
Ivan: Yes.
Sam: Is this faster? Absolutely.
Ivan: Absolutely. And this is the shit that I look like right now.
Ivan: I am helping quite a lot of people be trained right now on systems.
Ivan: We actually brought a whole bunch of new, new people on our team and,
Ivan: you know, shit. shit, I, well, I'm very good with systems, okay?
Ivan: You know, it's what I've done. So I'm like, I already, you know,
Ivan: I'm like, now everybody's like, yeah, Ivan knows how to fucking fix that problem.
Ivan: Like, yeah, just ask him. So I'm doing a lot of that.
Ivan: And I'm, I know, I know seeing some of those things that you were talking about
Ivan: right now with that transformation.
Ivan: Shit, man, with proper use of AI, we could automate a lot of this.
Ivan: So this new salesperson comes in and isn't really dealing with this
Ivan: bullshit that i'm having to teach them right now okay some of it anyway it just
Ivan: focused on selling so anyway all right so that's it so we wound up back at ai again we.
Sam: Went and i i want i want to take us back to your
Sam: original question before we move on to mine which is
Sam: you you we very quickly went from you saying is there a bubble overall to nvidia
Sam: specifically and then we talked
Sam: about ai but like overall market wise economy wise are we in a bubble.
Ivan: Oh the the numbers don't the numbers don't support that if you look at the multipliers
Ivan: of the s&p 500 and any of those like right now based on what's going on no i
Ivan: mean you look at the absolute valuations people are like oh my god but But, you know,
Ivan: it's not now it isn't it isn't anywhere.
Ivan: None of the data would indicate to you that that is what is going on right now.
Ivan: We're just getting a lot of growth and we're getting a lot of growth because
Ivan: I know it's difficult to believe.
Ivan: But once again, we've had me remember my proper economics education.
Ivan: You see, you're having, like, instead of these fiscal stimulus that are in the
Ivan: economy, which instead of trickle-down tax cuts and whatnot,
Ivan: which is what we've had before, what we've had is actual, you know,
Ivan: macro policy, which targeted investments in certain areas, okay? And...
Ivan: You know everybody and you know one of the clips from the
Ivan: kentucky fried movie if you looked at it was a
Ivan: was a making fun of a point counterpoint you
Ivan: know one of these like it used to be on tv they would show like like
Ivan: a conservative and a liberal argued about something and
Ivan: the whole fucking argument was the same bullshit argument
Ivan: the republicans are having right now on on
Ivan: biden's fiscal stimulus and the and
Ivan: inflation okay you know any programs
Ivan: that give money to the poor causing inflation don't
Ivan: you understand i'm like fuck man it's the same fucking horse shit
Ivan: story i've been listening to that for the past 40
Ivan: years but but biden what
Ivan: he did with with the programs that he
Ivan: put in with infrastructure and the inflation reduction act okay
Ivan: yeah it's created jobs real jobs
Ivan: not jobs for like you know not like
Ivan: what happened like in the bush era okay and
Ivan: i'm talking bush's junior okay where we created a whole bunch of fucking mortgage
Ivan: brokers okay right it's not you know they're not actually producing anything
Ivan: no we're making houses we're doing financial you know if i you know financial
Ivan: hocus pocus you know we weren't we weren't having industrial jobs.
Ivan: Donald Trump talked about bringing back manufacturing jobs. He'll bring back dick.
Sam: But tariffs, Yvonne. Tariffs.
Ivan: Oh, the tariffs, yes. And so now his proposal, of course, it seems the ones,
Ivan: well, whatever the last bullshit that he spewed was that we're going to get
Ivan: rid of all income taxes and we're going to make it all tariffs.
Ivan: Which, of course, would be the most insanely regressive tax regime ever.
Sam: He still doesn't understand that it's not the other countries that pay tariffs.
Ivan: Oh, yes, it's your fucking consumers!
Sam: Anyway, anyway.
Ivan: I mean, but the thing is that you've had this, you know,
Ivan: You know, you've had these stimulus that targeted certain areas of the economy
Ivan: specifically in order to promote growth instead of what we've had,
Ivan: unfortunately, with Republicans over the last 30,
Ivan: 40 years have been their orthodoxy, which has been to just, oh,
Ivan: we'll just cut taxes and the rich will spend. And no, they haven't.
Ivan: No, they haven't. They haven't been investing in shit.
Ivan: They've just been hoarding money. They've just becoming billionaires.
Ivan: They've been buying mega yachts and, you know, more expensive houses and shit and whatnot.
Ivan: Not really, you know, investing in the economy.
Ivan: And so, you know, you.
Sam: Somebody has to build those yachts, Yvonne.
Ivan: That's true. That is true. I will grant you that.
Ivan: But most of the stuff that they're doing is just, you know, unfortunately,
Ivan: they're not buying enough yachts to make the same stimulus that,
Ivan: say, shifting our economy.
Ivan: Building more sustainable energy production in the U.S.,
Ivan: manufacturing chips in the U.S.,
Ivan: and moving away from where there is this supply chain rebalancing that is happening
Ivan: across the world where people are nearshoring a whole bunch of stuff that they
Ivan: had completely offshored,
Ivan: realizing that there are risks in being completely offshored,
Ivan: which should have been obvious.
Ivan: But for whatever the hell reason, I don't.
Ivan: Sometimes I I still remember that we had when I was working at Rico,
Ivan: that when this tsunami that hit the Fukushima, you know, nuclear plant,
Ivan: when that happened, we had this one factory and it was only made one factory
Ivan: only that had this super critical part for all our printers.
Ivan: And it was only made at this one damn place.
Sam: Well, you bring up several different risks. There's the, you know,
Sam: having everything offshore.
Sam: There's also single sourcing, which is its own risk.
Sam: And also just the risk of the whole just-in-time philosophy as well.
Sam: Right. That also relies on a bunch of assumptions of things working smoothly.
Sam: And as long as it works smoothly, great. If something gets disrupted, you're screwed.
Ivan: You're screwed. And so, you know,
Ivan: definitely what has happened with this administration has definitely been,
Ivan: It's given the economy lasting foundations for many years to come.
Sam: Oh, I don't know. Once Donald wins, he can rip it all apart in a few days.
Ivan: Well, you know, it's easier to destroy than to create. I will say that.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: Okay. The question is, of course, you know, I don't know. I don't even want
Ivan: to talk about it. At one point, I thought I wanted to talk about it.
Ivan: And I realize right now I just want to stick my head in the sand and I'm just, I'm just.
Sam: The if Donald wins scenarios.
Ivan: Yeah i i don't even want to i don't even want to i don't
Ivan: even want to think about it i don't want to think about it i don't
Ivan: want to fucking think about it i've i've i've thought about
Ivan: them in all different ways you know really
Ivan: you know there's all sorts of different scenarios that i that i that i've gone
Ivan: through from like all none are none are really good some's less worse than than
Ivan: others i mean the scenario that i still like is the one that i dreamed about
Ivan: and And maybe, you know, we'll get into debate next week.
Ivan: I dreamt that during the debate.
Sam: Yeah. You mentioned he has a heart attack.
Ivan: Yeah. I mentioned this, that he has a heart attack on stage.
Sam: So I think this is a good moment to take our second break.
Sam: And then hell, since you brought it up, we'll do politics for the end.
Sam: And it won't be that long. We've only got like half an hour left.
Sam: So we'll do miscellaneous politics, including some of the debate.
Sam: the donald trump's vp selection process some other crap like that i don't know you.
Ivan: Mean donald trump suck up auditions you mean.
Sam: Yeah something like that anyway we we will be back with that just in a moment
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Sam: Okay, before I do anything else since there was an election graphs thing,
Sam: let me give a quick summary. I mentioned I'm gonna, I'm taking the week off.
Sam: I'm gonna try to do those models that take into account the amount of time left until the election.
Sam: I'm crossing my fingers that I have enough time to do what I wanna do.
Sam: I have them in my head. I know exactly the steps I need to take.
Sam: I just need the time to do it. And so hopefully a week will be enough.
Sam: But of course, there's always going to be other things demanding my time,
Sam: even though I take time off.
Ivan: But anyway, but of course, you're going to come back to work,
Ivan: you know, with a holiday like coming up a couple of days later.
Ivan: I figured you would go straight, you know, take the two weeks.
Sam: No, I only wanted to take a week now because I do want to make sure that by
Sam: the time I to get to the end of the year i still have three weeks because i'm
Sam: going to take the last two weeks before the election and one week after the election off so oh.
Ivan: You know you you guys don't have unlimited vacation thing.
Sam: No we we do not i.
Ivan: Thought you guys did okay now that's that blows okay all right.
Sam: We do not, we do not, but, but I've, I'm constantly up at the limit.
Sam: Like I keep getting the notices that like, I'm not accumulating time anymore
Sam: because I've met the max.
Sam: So I figure I'll take a week, you know, and then I'll probably take the Friday
Sam: after the fourth because the fourth is on a Thursday this time.
Sam: So I'll, I'll take that Friday too, but I will come back for the three days
Sam: in between, even though it'll be like, yeah, whatever.
Ivan: Oh, okay. So I have shit. So that Friday. Okay. Well, it's a good thing. You just told me that.
Sam: Cause you didn't realize.
Ivan: I hadn't looked at the calendar that far ahead. I've been, oh my God.
Sam: Calendars are complicated things.
Ivan: Well, I try to like, you know, I do try to schedule everything and put it in the calendar.
Ivan: We have a family calendar and stuff and whatever that we keep.
Ivan: And we try to put everything there.
Ivan: And we, you know, we have, you know, try to make sure we've got everything there.
Ivan: Speaking of this, you know, one of my, did I put this down on my calendar?
Ivan: that i have my happy my my my colonoscopy is next week.
Sam: Oh fun fun thanks for sharing yeah but.
Ivan: You're welcome uh you're welcome as though.
Sam: The the those are exciting those yeah those.
Ivan: Are oh yeah very exciting i'm so excited.
Sam: Okay can i get back to the election stuff i was gonna mention election stuff so.
Ivan: We don't want to talk about colonoscopies okay all right no.
Sam: No it's so it's okay well you know everybody of a certain age you should get
Sam: them whenever your doctor recommends on a regular basis, whatever cadence they
Sam: suggest, because they're important.
Sam: There you go. Did I say enough colonoscopy? Good. Have fun. Yeah.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So I want just the high level summary of what's been going on with election graphs.
Sam: If you look at my tipping point metric, which is the margin in the state that
Sam: would put the winner over the edge.
Sam: I'm not going to go back too far, but starting when the New York trial started,
Sam: for the first little bit of the New York trial, things were trending towards Trump, actually.
Sam: And maxing out, the tipping point was 4.5% on Trump's side in Michigan, on May, May 8th. Okay.
Sam: Okay. That is about his high watermark for this time.
Sam: It had been up and down. There was a higher point in December,
Sam: blah, blah, blah, or early January.
Sam: Actually the, his highest point so far, this entire election cycle was at the
Sam: very beginning of January, but this particular time he peaked on.
Sam: On May 7th, May 7th, 8th, yeah, 8th. There you go. And then ever since it's
Sam: been dropping. So that's before the verdict.
Sam: Since the verdict, it has dropped further. So from May 8th to the time the verdict
Sam: was, it dropped from that 4.5% to 1.7.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Since the verdict, it's continued down from 1.7 to 0.08 as of the time we're recording the show.
Sam: So Trump is still ahead in that tipping point metric, but by a lot less than
Sam: he was. His leads have been deteriorating.
Sam: However, and so my uniform swing odds of a Biden win have gone in that same
Sam: period from only 3.4% up to 27.2%.
Sam: So big improvement for Biden, given where that tipping point has moved on the uniform swing one.
Sam: But the uniform swing one is entirely based on the tipping point,
Sam: essentially, because it just says how far does the tipping point have to move
Sam: to win, given historical blah, blah, blah.
Sam: The one thing to note, though, that has also been a trend in the last few weeks,
Sam: including after the verdict,
Sam: is that states that are on the Biden side of the line have been getting less strong for Biden.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: So states like Virginia and Minnesota are looking much, much closer than they used to be.
Sam: and so if you look at my,
Sam: the expected median value of what might happen for my probabilistic view and
Sam: also even for my categorization view, it's actually moved a little bit back
Sam: towards Trump in recent weeks.
Sam: And that's partially, well, the categorization view is because Michigan moved
Sam: back and forth across the line.
Sam: But the independent state's view has been moving a little bit towards Trump
Sam: because some Biden states that had fairly decent Biden leads are now fairly narrow Biden leads.
Sam: So that's the dynamic that's been happening lately.
Sam: We're still not 100% with my averages being after the trial,
Sam: but things are bouncing around a little bit.
Sam: And next week, we're going to have the debate.
Sam: So at that point, we're not going to be able to separate what happened with
Sam: the trial versus what happens at the debate, et cetera, et cetera.
Sam: Anyway, I'll, and hopefully by next week, I will have done the stuff I talked
Sam: about, about like odds that take into account how much time there is left before
Sam: the election too, instead of being, if the election was today.
Sam: Okay. Enough about that.
Sam: So other, other political tickle things, political, is that what they call them? Tickle?
Ivan: Political. Tickle. Tickle.
Sam: Political. Political. Yes.
Ivan: Is that what Trump is doing for the beeps takes? He's doing a tickle off?
Sam: He...
Ivan: Yes, it would be interesting at Mar-a-Lago live.
Sam: I mean, apparently the three finalists are Burgum.
Sam: Oh, what's the Burgum?
Ivan: I can't remember fucking.
Sam: Which one's Burgum North Dakota, South Dakota. He's a Dakota.
Ivan: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's one of the whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ivan: Okay. Now I remember who he is. Burgum. Is that the guy to beat somebody?
Sam: No, that's different.
Ivan: It's a different guy. Okay. He punched a reporter or something. Okay.
Sam: That was like a House candidate in Montana or something. He was now in the House.
Ivan: I believe. Of course.
Sam: Anyway, we got Burgum. We got from, I'm just trying to confirm.
Ivan: Vance?
Sam: Which Ohio, which Dakota? Was he South Dakota or Burgum?
Sam: North Dakota. North Dakota is Doug Burgum. bergham south dakota was the lady
Sam: who got herself out of the vp race by killing a dog oh.
Ivan: The one that oh well i i.
Sam: Know no you.
Ivan: Know i still i'm i'm still surprised that that played against her in the gop.
Sam: Anyway we got bergham we got vance and we got rubio were the the last three apparently okay i.
Ivan: Mean it's a parade of fucking hypocrites.
Sam: Now yes all three of these people by the way had a phase in their careers where
Sam: they where they significantly criticized donald trump and now they're sucking
Sam: up to try to be vp all three of them yes.
Ivan: Look i am really at this point and i i i mentioned this that all these fucking
Ivan: people are just Just, I, it is the, these people to me are the most appalling of all. Okay.
Sam: The ones who know better, but suck up anyway, because they want the influence power or whatever.
Ivan: Or did they, or no more. Well, that, well, yeah. Or the ones that choose,
Ivan: you know, conveniently will.
Ivan: You mentioned, the one that I loved is the guy that you mentioned at that Washington State Convention.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: That you told me that the moment that he saw that Bernie Sanders...
Sam: So let me tell the story. Let me tell the story.
Ivan: Okay, you go tell the story. You tell the story, because that one was the best.
Sam: I've told it on the show before. In 2016, I attended the Washington State Democratic Convention.
Sam: convention and for those of you who remember there was a curmudgeons corner
Sam: episode you can go find it in our archives i don't know the exact date but you
Sam: can go find it in our archives and it was probably about this time because actually
Sam: the washington state democratic convention is right now in.
Ivan: June okay so it was june 2016 it.
Sam: Was in june 2016 probably my wife is at the convention right now like i said
Sam: i anyway i think was that what she's at right now i think that's what she's at right now.
Sam: Anyway, I went there and I recorded curmudgeon's corner there.
Sam: I did interviews with a bunch of people at the convention.
Sam: I talked about what was going on at the convention, et cetera.
Sam: It was a long show. It was like a three hour show or something.
Sam: Crazy nonsense, bullshit, whatever. But one of the people I interviewed was a Sanders delegate.
Sam: And I actually, myself and a couple other people had dinner with him, blah, blah, blah.
Sam: But one of the things, He was all in
Sam: for Sanders and he was talking about like all these Sanders folks to the very
Sam: last minute were thinking that somehow something was going to happen and they
Sam: were going to change things around and get more Sanders delegates that they
Sam: deserved and they were going to somehow win after all, even when the numbers were all against them.
Sam: when we were we were talking to this guy at like some restaurant after the thing
Sam: and it was absolutely clear that sanders was not going to be the nominee at
Sam: this point he literally says well,
Sam: that's fine because and he opens his backpack and pulls out a maga hat and puts
Sam: it on and takes off his Sanders gear.
Ivan: I mean, how did everybody that saw this react? Because they had to be like,
Ivan: You know, I mean, what was the reaction?
Sam: Well, I was incredulous. I was like, are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?
Sam: But I don't remember what other people around were, but like, and he's like, no, no.
Sam: And it's because that is, if we can't have Sanders, they're all the fucking same.
Sam: And at least Donald Trump is the blah, blah, blah. Cause it was, it was 2016.
Sam: So it was Hillary. And there was absolute hatred of Hillary amongst a lot of the Sanders folks.
Sam: Not all of them, not all of them, but a lot of-
Ivan: But a good number of them, a good number of them.
Sam: A good number of them. And there were probably enough people like him that out
Sam: of the many things that gave us Donald Trump,
Sam: the Sanders folks who either sat home and didn't vote and or voted for Trump,
Sam: you're one of the reasons we had Donald Trump and still have him today.
Sam: day not as president but still bothering us in many ways.
Ivan: Well well you know you well that example for example i mean i think back then
Ivan: there was a lot of the i do think that a lot of these were kind of like delusional
Ivan: about the whole damn thing and so oh.
Sam: Yeah go you'll you can hear a whole interview with this guy on that curmudgeons corner go go find it.
Ivan: And so the one thing that happened to me this week
Ivan: was that i'm looking through my facebook and
Ivan: all of a sudden i get this ad by
Ivan: this guy or it wasn't an ad it was a
Ivan: post on his facebook page that used
Ivan: to be for his campaign showing him posting shit like he was a republican okay
Ivan: and that he was running for the for for the primary for the house but but this
Ivan: guy my entire life that i knew him and he had run and won several local elections was the Democrats.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: I mean, forever. He had been, you know, he was running for the school board,
Ivan: was trying to run against these very right wing people that were trying to get
Ivan: on the Palm beach school board.
Ivan: He had been on the city council and, you know, this guy had been a Democrat
Ivan: the entire time talking about,
Ivan: I mean, all the things, you know, that a Democrat is usually been talking about.
Ivan: And then all of a sudden, at the flip of a switch, he had lost a whole bunch
Ivan: of elections recently, okay?
Ivan: This is one of these people that just seemed like bent on winning a seat of some kind.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Okay? For whatever reason. And so, well, the Democrats won't have me.
Ivan: I'll just be a Republican.
Ivan: And I'm just like, I'm sorry. but
Ivan: this isn't like i'm gonna wear
Ivan: a white shirt today and now i'm going to go
Ivan: with blue this isn't i mean i'm sorry but right
Ivan: now the political positions of both parties are so diametrically opposed that
Ivan: i'm sorry you can't go from the party that is trying to defend women's rights
Ivan: to the one that's trying to take them away for example or oh one that is you know inclusive of
Ivan: minorities and immigrants and the other one that basically wants to throw them all out.
Sam: Right.
Ivan: I'm just... I'm just...
Ivan: I'm just stunned by this guy who I had, you know, had a good impression of and
Ivan: had, you know, talked to him about some local issues and supported him.
Ivan: And then just all of a sudden, just like that, that guy just whipped out the
Ivan: fucking hat and just went and like, oh, well, you know, fuck the immigrants.
Ivan: And because literally, because that's literally he was posting.
Ivan: I'm like, how do you now hate the immigrants?
Sam: Right.
Ivan: You liked them before.
Sam: Well, and to bring this back to the vice presidential thing,
Sam: I mean, part of the reason to talk about this is Burgum, Vance,
Sam: and Rubio have all talked about how Trump was a problem many years ago.
Sam: Right. like bergham ran against trump at the beginning and like dropped out
Sam: really quick because he wasn't doing well but rubio had this whole thing like
Sam: i mean in 2016 he was the one that like sort of dive he.
Ivan: Was gonna save us.
Sam: He dive bombed like like trump at that one debate and started talking about
Sam: right small hands and stuff and like anyway he he self-immolated his sort of
Sam: a to murder suicide with Chris Christie or whatever.
Sam: Anyway, there are all sorts of quotes out here of all three of these people
Sam: talking about Trump being problematic, and now they're sucking up to him.
Sam: Before I forget, I looked up that episode.
Sam: For anyone who wants to look for it, go to curmudgeons-corner.com,
Sam: go to the 2016 section of the archives.
Sam: It is episode 472, entitled Failing to Predict the Past, recorded on June 23rd, 2016.
Sam: published on June 25th. It's two hours and 42 minutes long.
Sam: And unfortunately, back then, like on the website, it's old enough that descriptions
Sam: just say, show notes prior to Saturday, September 9th, 2017 are wonky.
Sam: We are slowly fixing them. Apologies for the inconvenience. The description
Sam: that should be there is this week on Curmudgeon's Corner, Sam and Yvonne's big
Sam: topics are the gun control debate and the apparent Trump campaign implosion.
Ivan: No, fuck, we're so wrong.
Sam: Other topics are kids' summer activities, Brexit, recorded before the vote,
Sam: and the process of choosing presidential electors.
Sam: For a change of pace, Sam wraps it up with interviews of several delegates to
Sam: the 2016 Washington State Democratic Convention.
Sam: So that's that show. And yeah, like I said, it recorded June 23rd.
Sam: It is now June 22nd. This was almost exactly eight years ago today.
Sam: So anyway, so back to the vice presidency, the yes, the three candidates are
Sam: all hypocrites. They're all sucking up to Donald Trump.
Sam: Apparently Rubio, while not fully Fully eliminated right now is probably about
Sam: to be eliminated for one reason specifically.
Ivan: Which is?
Sam: The Constitution prohibits the president and vice president from being from
Sam: the same state. And right now they're both technically from Florida.
Ivan: Ah, okay. There you go.
Sam: Now, so there has been some talk that Rubio could move.
Ivan: Move but he's a senator from florida.
Sam: He's a senator and he might have to like resign the senate in order to do that
Sam: which meant if him him and trump lose he'd be out like whereas he could he could
Sam: run for vice president and stay in the senate oh he's.
Ivan: Not doing that no he's not down.
Sam: Yeah and theoretically trump could move
Sam: his registration too he could like registered or
Sam: badminster in new jersey or something i don't know but you know and you know
Sam: so apparently the two finalists are bergham and vance now this is as of reporting
Sam: in the last day or two trump trump could change his mind up until the very last second well.
Ivan: That's that's the thing i mean i don't believe i i mean knowing trump it's going
Ivan: to come down to whatever the fuck you know all he woke up that morning and feels like.
Sam: Well, and also, I mean, I heard somebody talking like somebody on some news
Sam: show earlier today asked whoever they were interviewing something about like,
Sam: would, if they were vice president, uh,
Sam: Would they be fully loyal to Donald Trump and not do like what Pence did?
Sam: And I'm like, you know, Donald Trump's entire process is going to be make damn
Sam: sure that they will do whatever you want without question, no matter what.
Ivan: Right. Exactly.
Sam: And if he has the slightest bit of doubt that says you might not,
Sam: you are not going to be the candidate. it you know you.
Ivan: Know you know one of the problems with those guys that i've noticed like the
Ivan: ones that he chooses that have that that that unwinding loyalty is they all wind up in jail,
Ivan: all of them have you not noticed yes.
Sam: Like you know basically his all his staff choices.
Ivan: Are all like cons well.
Sam: No there's two possibilities either.
Ivan: They end up showing.
Sam: Showing some sort of backbone or independence in which case he stabs them in the back.
Ivan: They're done or.
Sam: They do undying loyalty and end up indicted in jail whatever.
Ivan: Exactly and.
Sam: And these are the two kinds that come out of of a trump administration.
Ivan: It could i could i you know as we're looking here and talking about the people
Ivan: the administration or whatever And I was talking about hypocrisy.
Ivan: I pulled up the Wikipedia page for Marco Rubio.
Ivan: There is a picture here where he is hugging the Senate, the Florida House,
Ivan: and he is the Senate president because he was the House speaker in the state of Florida. Right.
Ivan: And he is embracing him after the Florida House's unanimous approval of the
Ivan: Florida Senate's resolution to formally express deep regret for slavery in March of 2008.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Could you believe that a GOP House actually passed such a legislation? Yeah.
Ivan: now now you know they would probably be passing one you know talking about the benefits of slavery.
Sam: Well here here's the thing since 2016 like the republican party before 2016
Sam: and after 2016 are not the same thing at all it's not even comparable not.
Ivan: Not even remotely close i mean I mean, anything that if you're a Republican
Ivan: that went into a coma, okay, in the year 2000,
Ivan: okay, and you woke up now, you're like going, what the fuck happened?
Sam: Right.
Ivan: I mean, you would be like, what happened? Oh, you know.
Sam: Which honestly makes you wonder why people like George W.
Sam: Bush don't say more than they do. they just he he's been very quiet i mean he
Sam: he clearly doesn't like trump but he's not willing to like he's not gonna well
Sam: it would be a shock let's put it this way it would be if if like he showed up
Sam: at at biden's convention or something well.
Ivan: I think his family and things have said things and they have been so they have been so vilified.
Sam: Yes there there there was a quote in the,
Sam: there's a yeah there there's a quote in the 2016
Sam: thing when we were in 2016 before
Sam: george hw bush died there
Sam: were reports that he had said that he was voting for hillary clinton and that
Sam: he supported her and liked her and she was a great lady blah blah blah but it
Sam: was all sort of like ah he's getting old he doesn't know what he's saying you
Sam: know but you know i i think you're right like Like a lot of it is like,
Sam: Even the people who say, who think those who are like, you know,
Sam: there, there's many forms of cowardice on the Republican side.
Sam: There's a people who are in office who realize it would be political suicide
Sam: within the Republican party to actually go straight up against Donald Trump
Sam: and say all the kinds of things that Chris Christie said, or that Lynn Cheney says,
Sam: or any of these folks there, they've basically been exiled from the party.
Sam: Their political careers are over.
Sam: and then there's people who are honestly scared for their physical safety yeah you know,
Sam: for like somebody like w i don't like he's got secret service protection he's
Sam: not running for office again you'd think he could say something but like you
Sam: said they go after families and stuff too like they.
Ivan: Go after family.
Sam: People are scared like you know i i think if if you got W in a candid moment by himself,
Sam: he'd tell you like that he agrees with everybody else that Donald is dangerous
Sam: and bad and blah, blah, blah.
Sam: And I, you know, I don't know, maybe not, but I don't know. Maybe I think too much of W, you know?
Ivan: No, no, no. I think you're right. And there has been a whole bunch of indirect
Ivan: indicators that that is the case.
Sam: Yeah anyway so we talked about we're pretty much out of time so like other other
Sam: things just quick hits scotus came out with some decisions this week as sort
Sam: of mixed bag they've been doing lately but the key ones that the key ones are
Sam: still waiting right theoretically,
Sam: on their normal calendar they should finish next week but every once in a while
Sam: they've They've slipped into July in order to finish things up,
Sam: and they've still got a lot of cases left.
Sam: And the Trump immunity case is one of them. I predicted before that that's going
Sam: to be the very, very last case that they announce is going to be the Trump immunity
Sam: one on whatever day that is. We'll see.
Sam: There are a few other big cases expected. This week, what? They had the gun case.
Sam: SCOTUS 8-1 said that, yes, you can prohibit people convicted of domestic violence from carrying guns.
Sam: Yeah. Of course, the one was Thomas in the 8-1.
Ivan: Oh, you don't say.
Sam: Wow i'm shocked yes anyway so
Sam: there's scoda stuff there'll be more scoda stuff that's still waiting we do
Sam: have the debate coming up next week as of today it's still on you know people
Sam: keep saying well maybe trump will skip out on it maybe something will happen
Sam: we'll see it's it's next week it's coming soon look.
Ivan: Every time i keep listen every time i look at at at the rules for with this
Ivan: debate and i i am thinking how did he agree to all this there is you know objectively,
Ivan: nothing in this debate helps him i'm still confused as why he's going through with it.
Sam: I mean when we did our predictions in december we said if if trump was the nominee
Sam: there would be no debates i am surprised that's.
Ivan: Right i'm shocked i don't understand.
Sam: Like what's in it for him.
Ivan: Right.
Sam: I mean, the only thing I can think of.
Ivan: Yeah. What do you think?
Sam: I think he believes his own hype about Biden being senile and thinks he's going
Sam: to be able to walk circles around him.
Ivan: That may be it. And that may be it.
Ivan: And the thing is, so the only thing I mean, the thing is, all I'm seeing here
Ivan: is how Biden could make him look like an idiot.
Ivan: Because you know that he is going to be out of control.
Ivan: I mean, how is he not going to be out of control? You can bet your ass that
Ivan: they will mute that microphone and he's going to be trying to be yelling and,
Ivan: you know, hollering and being angry and.
Sam: Still be heard. Yeah, that's right. Because, and I said this before,
Sam: like, yeah, they're going to turn off his microphone, but they're only going
Sam: to be standing a few feet apart.
Sam: Biden's microphone will pick up Trump, you know, when he's like acting up.
Sam: You remember in the Hillary debate, he was pacing and walking over to her and blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: Yes, yes, yes.
Sam: He's going to do all that nonsense and shit he does.
Sam: There have been more and more stories the last few weeks about Donald Trump's
Sam: own cognitive issues. shoes.
Ivan: Holy shit.
Sam: Like problems with his memory, him being like incoherent in his speeches.
Sam: Last week we talked about the thing with the sharks and the batteries,
Sam: you know, I, I, I don't know if you listened, I included the actual clip in
Sam: the final episode, you know, all of this. So we'll see.
Sam: Now here's the thing on all of the other debates that Trump has been in both
Sam: against Hillary and against Biden, um, he's managed to kind of hold it together.
Sam: Like you always expect him to go off the rails and he sort of goes part way up to the line.
Ivan: But listen, I, I don't think you're, listen, I don't listen. He did really, really.
Sam: But he's a different person than he was four years ago.
Ivan: And no, but, but not just that. Listen, I think you're forgetting it.
Ivan: Don't you remember the debate against Hillary that he did so fucking bad that
Ivan: he ripped up the fucking, you know, know he ripped up his notes like at the
Ivan: end that was like the thing yeah he did he did not do well it was a disaster no.
Sam: He we we said this last week he's lost every debate he's been in it just doesn't end up mattering.
Ivan: Well here's the one thing though i i will say that in one of the things that
Ivan: we, that is a huge difference right now is that this debate is happening in June.
Ivan: Yes. We never have these debates now. No. And one of the things that we have
Ivan: been going on about is looking at the polling data, what the hell is going on,
Ivan: is where the low information voters that have not been engaged are. Right.
Ivan: And so a lot of the things that happen is that when that debate happens,
Ivan: like in September, OK, well, the conventions happen.
Ivan: So they all know who the candidates are and everything being like whatever.
Ivan: So, you know, for sure, it's, you know, like a whole bunch of people.
Ivan: It's not, you know, there's still a whole bunch of people clinging to like,
Ivan: you know, I don't know, somebody else's.
Sam: Maybe it won't be them.
Ivan: Maybe it won't be them and shit like that. They are so low information. They have no idea.
Ivan: And so having this debate now, I think will have more of an impact than the
Ivan: usual debate because it's now.
Ivan: So all of a sudden it cuts through that bullshit of people that people are just
Ivan: thinking that this election is not going to be Trump versus Biden.
Sam: And another thing I saw, they did dump the presidential debate commission specifically
Sam: to like freeze out Kennedy. He
Sam: didn't qualify like CNN made some rules and Kennedy didn't qualify anyway.
Sam: But one of the reasons that both Biden and Trump were like.
Ivan: Let's say you want this clown in there.
Sam: They didn't want this clown. They also like felt like I agree.
Sam: They felt like the presidential debate commission hadn't run well.
Sam: The ones in the last couple of cycles, whatever.
Sam: But CNN is doing it. But unlike like some of the like like the primary debates
Sam: and I think even debate like this will be simulcast.
Sam: CNN is running it, but this is going to be on all the networks.
Ivan: Okay.
Sam: Lots of people are going to see this, you know, and yeah, lots of people are
Sam: going to be tuned out, but like this is going to, because it's going to be everywhere.
Sam: This is going to be the ones where people flip, you know, the old fashioned
Sam: people who are still watching linear TV and flipping channels are going to hit
Sam: this and be like, Oh, debate, debate.
Sam: You know, it's the only thing on, I guess I'll watch it right now.
Sam: Right. For, For most people our age and younger, we're not linear TV anyway anymore, but still.
Ivan: Well, but it's going to be streaming. It's going to be on a whole bunch of, yeah.
Sam: It's going to be everywhere. It's going to be hard to avoid.
Sam: I mean, the people who want to avoid it will be able to do whatever they want,
Sam: as they always will. But lots of people are going to see this debate.
Sam: And so you may be right. It may have an impact. And of course,
Sam: it all depends on how it goes, right? Right.
Sam: Does everybody sort of do both candidates basically behave as expected or are there surprises?
Sam: Do we actually see like Donald Trump completely incoherent? Do we see Biden
Sam: completely incoherent?
Sam: Does one of them have the heart attack that you dreamt about? You know, I don't know.
Ivan: Oh, listen, if that happens, if my fucking dream becomes a reality, I'm going to be scared.
Ivan: I mean, I'm going to be scared. I'm like, what the fuck?
Sam: Yes. Well, you know.
Sam: not not predicting or what anything but you
Sam: know and then there's the usual like you know debates usually don't have an
Sam: effect but every once in a while there's a really memorable line that gets talked
Sam: about a lot every once in a while somebody screws up entirely in a way that
Sam: like causes a major problem you.
Ivan: Know the one thing that right now because there's so much shit that's happened
Ivan: to Trump, there are so many good lines that you could have prepared to fucking torpedo him.
Ivan: I was just practicing. The other day, I don't remember, but I was just thinking of something.
Ivan: It's like, well, I'm going to be the first president ever to something.
Ivan: You can tell, yeah, the first convicted felon president, that's going to look great on everybody.
Ivan: You could hit him with shit. Holy shit, you could have a field day.
Sam: You can't, but you, you can have a field day on sort of serious stuff like that.
Sam: You can also like a number of people have said, if you really want to get under
Sam: Trump's skin and get him to lose control, the way to do it is mocking him.
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: Like treat him like a joke, treat him with no respect whatsoever that he is
Sam: beneath you because his whole personality personality, or his whole personality disorder,
Sam: if you want to put it that way, is around propping up his ego and about how
Sam: he is important and wonderful and great.
Sam: And having someone directly confront him with, no, you are a fucking joke,
Sam: is the thing that injures him the most.
Sam: Now, I don't know how good Biden would be at that or whether Biden wants to
Sam: be the one to do that, as opposed to, you know, sort of more,
Sam: you know, like, you know, Michelle Obama's, like when they go low,
Sam: we go high thing didn't really work all that well in 2016.
Ivan: No, no.
Sam: So maybe, maybe try something different, but Biden very much like Biden very
Sam: much has the the mindset that he, he so much wants things to go back to,
Sam: you know, we are, we disagree,
Sam: but we all love the country and we'll work together in the end and blah, blah, blah.
Ivan: Listen, I.
Ivan: His ads lately have been different. Okay. Related to this.
Sam: Oh, they have. Yeah. There've been a couple that have been really pointed.
Ivan: You know, they, they have been, he has been mocking him repeatedly on shit that
Ivan: he said and so forth. So, so they, they.
Sam: They, oh, and the, the, the, the Biden, Biden Harris HQ account on threads is
Sam: just constantly it's whole modus operandi is just posting things that Donald
Sam: Trump has said himself and basically where he looks like a jackass.
Ivan: You know, but, but what a one thing that I'm saying is that you see a lot of
Ivan: posted Biden videos in which, you know, like,
Ivan: I can't remember the one that he's, which one of the crazy things that he said
Ivan: that, you know, he was like, wait, oh, the, the one about the Nazis.
Ivan: okay you know where he was like wait he really posted this the hell you know
Ivan: so he they've been doing a lot more of that so we'll see what what the debate
Ivan: brings so next thursday right where it's like well.
Sam: And there is a different there is a difference though between things the campaign
Sam: does or people do on biden's behalf versus things he says himself to donald
Sam: trump's face and like Like how that dynamic works,
Sam: I guess we'll see. I want, I'll tell you what I want.
Sam: I want aggressive, pointed, state of the union style Biden.
Ivan: Yeah, that's what I want. That's the guy I want.
Sam: And, you know, Donald Trump has been all about like, oh, Biden's going to come
Sam: out all drugged and stuff.
Sam: And that's partly to like, you know, to sort of set expectations there.
Sam: Both camps, everybody always wants set expectations low for their candidate and high for the others.
Sam: so that, you know, if they don't do well, they can say, well,
Sam: we always knew it was going to turn out that way.
Sam: But honestly, you know, Donald Trump and his camp of all and Fox News and everybody
Sam: have been like, you know, Joe Biden's going to come out all hyped up.
Sam: He's going to be on like whatever drugs they need to pep him up.
Sam: You know, I'm like, if that's what it takes, okay, give him some Adderall,
Sam: fine, whatever, you know, whatever you need to do.
Ivan: You know listen considering what we know about all the drugs that were being
Ivan: dispensed without any control at the white house in trump's administration in
Ivan: trump's administration okay all right which violated every fucking rule related to this everybody.
Sam: Was on every sort of upper drug you could possibly think of there.
Ivan: There it says handing them out like candy okay OK, and then I'm sorry,
Ivan: but if you haven't seen, you know, Donald Trump Jr., like in every video that
Ivan: he's been on lately, look, I mean, seriously,
Ivan: that guy has to be on cocaine regularly.
Ivan: There is no other explanation for how he looks.
Sam: And back to Donald Trump himself, I mean, back in the other debates,
Sam: you know, in 2016 and 2020, there was talk about, is Donald Trump on something?
Sam: Yeah. During the debate, you know, because one of the people talked about how
Sam: much he sniffled during the debates.
Ivan: Oh, the sniff. I forgot about the sniffling.
Sam: And nobody, who knows? There's no proof of anything. thing.
Sam: There was also talk about how sort of the first half of the debate,
Sam: he basically kept it together and he sort of deteriorated for the second half.
Ivan: So the dose was wearing off.
Sam: But yeah, so the dose was wearing off. But frankly, you're doing a two-hour debate.
Sam: I would wear off by the second half too. Whether I'd taken anything or not,
Sam: I'd be flagging by the second half of that debate.
Ivan: I don't know. It really depends. I don't know. On those things, Well.
Sam: I say that, but here we go. We're over two hours into this podcast, and here I go.
Ivan: Exactly. And we're, exactly. You're still yapping away.
Sam: I'm still jumping up and down talking, and I am going wild.
Sam: I did not take any drugs before this podcast started.
Ivan: It's the cocaine, right? Cocaine?
Sam: Oh, yeah. I'm all about the coke.
Ivan: A lot of cocaine. Okay. You're all about. Okay, great. There you go. Well, that's good.
Sam: Coca-Cola. Right. That's what you mean.
Ivan: Oh, that kind. Well, it used to have cocaine back in the day. So you old style.
Sam: It did. It did used to have cocaine. Anyway.
Ivan: Yeah. Hey.
Sam: Yeah.
Ivan: All right. Anyway, so speaking of two hours plus, let's wrap it up.
Sam: We need to be done. Yeah.
Sam: I was going to mention Judge Cannon. She's just continuing to do her delay bullshit.
Sam: shit you talked about fake democrats we talked about the veep stakes we talked
Sam: about scotus we talked about the debate i think we covered it are we done are
Sam: we done we're done okay so,
Sam: curmudgeons corner go to curmudgeons-corner.com go check out episode what did i say 472,
Sam: failing to predict the past from eight years ago, June 23rd, 2016.
Sam: You'll get the interview with that guy at the end. I don't think he says the
Sam: mega hat thing in the interview.
Sam: I think that happened otherwise, but I don't, I don't actually remember.
Sam: So maybe he says it in an interview. I don't know. Like he's,
Sam: he's interviewed in any case. And yeah,
Sam: He ran for something the next year and lost as well, by the way.
Ivan: So, Oh, well, well, that's a shame.
Sam: Yeah. I forget what he ran for some, some city council or something or whatever.
Ivan: I feel awful.
Sam: Anyway, go there, see the archives, see all the ways to contact us,
Sam: see all the transcripts. Not for that old episode. I didn't do transcripts back then.
Ivan: But now you're getting auto a transcripts on the fricking Apple. Do he key?
Sam: Yeah. So I, I've, I've started to add the automatic, the, like the transcripts
Sam: that'll play in your podcast player.
Sam: If it supports it, Apple has apparently for months now been adding their own
Sam: like AI transcripts to every podcast.
Sam: So there've been curmudgeons corner transcripts in there for a while.
Sam: Now, like I'm uploading my own, like the automatic ones don't identify who's
Sam: talking, but I'm uploading my own now, which will identify who's talking.
Sam: however i uploaded them for four episodes and apple only accepted them for two
Sam: or no one only accepted it for one of the four episodes so i don't know the
Sam: magic formula yet i don't know we'll see i.
Ivan: Listen i will say that those automated transcripts that it added are actually pretty damn good.
Sam: Yeah no like the only thing that using the ones i upload would give you that those don't that.
Ivan: Identifies the who's the speaker yeah yeah.
Sam: It identifies who's the speaker yeah yeah but but But yeah, and then also by
Sam: me uploading it myself, other podcast players other than Apple can also show them.
Sam: But only a few podcast players have that feature now.
Sam: Like a lot of them still don't. But I presume they're all going to add them
Sam: over the next year or so because it's now podcast 2.0 or whatever.
Sam: Anyway, there's also our Patreon where you can give us money at various levels.
Sam: We'll send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug.
Sam: We'll send you talking about you on the show and ringing a bell.
Sam: Well, speaking of sending mugs, by now Pete should have his mug.
Sam: And I replaced my mug. My old one had cracked a long time ago,
Sam: so I'm using it to hold pens or something.
Ivan: Well, mine's fine.
Sam: And so I ordered a brand new one. The new ones are different.
Sam: So if you have the originals, I just splashed water on myself out of my mug.
Ivan: That's very good.
Sam: The originals included a thing that said what our Facebook version of Reconvention Corner page is.
Sam: I took that out. so that if you've got the original mug collector's item oh
Sam: it's gonna be worth millions it's.
Ivan: Gonna part of my retirement fund.
Sam: Because the new ones the new ones only have our our web address curmudgeon-corner.com
Sam: not anything mentioning facebook so yeah so if you have the old one.
Ivan: My retirement is set thank you for reminding me to make sure that i i i saved
Ivan: that yes absolutely Absolutely.
Sam: You know, keep that under glass
Sam: and you know, one day it'll be worth millions, millions for that mug.
Ivan: Millions, millions, millions.
Sam: Exactly. So anyway, at $2 a month or more on the Patreon,
Sam: or if you just ask us, we will invite you to the curmudgeons course Slack where
Sam: Yvonne and I are chatting throughout the whatever and doing the whatever and
Sam: with a lot of listeners and blah, blah, blah. So Yvonne, what's the article.
Ivan: Whatever, with a whatever, the thing and the thing?
Sam: The thing and the thing.
Ivan: Okay, yes, of course.
Sam: And yes. So, so Yvonne, what's the highlight of the week from the slack?
Ivan: Uh, there's a Vermont lawmaker that apologizes for repeatedly drenching a colleague's bag.
Ivan: So amazingly, oh my God, are you surprised?
Ivan: Wait, what do you think? The lawmaker that was dumping the water into the colleague,
Ivan: Republican or Democrat? What do you think?
Sam: Vermont, you said, right?
Ivan: Yeah.
Sam: A Sanders Democrat. No, of course it was a Republican. what you would i don't
Sam: i didn't i didn't even read the article i know it's a republican come on.
Ivan: It's a fucking republic i mean this this fucking bag of shit and for some reason
Ivan: for no you know was just going and every time would walk up to this person's
Ivan: bag and just dump a fucking glass of water in it just to be a shit and.
Sam: Specifically you said it's a mega republican which is most of of them now but
Sam: still like yes because this is the whole ethos now of like what acceptable behavior
Sam: is in the republican party.
Ivan: Mother fucking hell i got one that's talking about the 10 commandments and every
Ivan: school is jerking off her fucking boyfriend and i'm in a damn play okay and
Ivan: she's talking about having the fucking 10 commandments at every fucking school what the and.
Sam: Didn't you Didn't you share an article? I did not click through.
Sam: Somebody was chasing a stripper or something, too.
Ivan: Yes, that was another Republican. Yes, there was this guy who,
Ivan: let's see, what the heck was it?
Ivan: Here he is.
Ivan: Michigan GOP State Representative Neil Frisk arrested after alleged altercation
Ivan: with a stripper involving a firearm.
Ivan: Michigan State Rep Neil Frisk was arrested early Thursday morning after he reportedly
Ivan: chased a stripper with a gun after a disagreement the two had.
Ivan: And, you know, let me tell you something. I have experience with strippers.
Ivan: My wife knows this, so this is not a secret. I can tell you something that if
Ivan: you're having to chase your stripper with a gun, you're doing it wrong.
Sam: Okay.
Ivan: Good God almighty. The hell.
Sam: The hell. Okay. And with that, we will end the show.
Sam: Thank you. Every for the, the, the, the, thank you everyone.
Ivan: Exactly.
Sam: Yes. Thank you everyone for joining us as usual. Have a good week. Stay safe. Have fun.
Sam: Blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah and we're gonna wrap it up goodbye bye,
Sam: and with that I'm going to hit stop bye Yvonne have a nice night alright.