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<v Sam>Hello greetings greetings salutations you've got like a got like an extra echo

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<v Sam>going on today oh well just because the microphone is like 10 miles from you yeah.

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<v Ivan>That would be that that could be the reason why you know that that that may

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<v Ivan>be happening yes since i have the microphone phone completely away from me yes.

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<v Sam>Yes okay very good

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<v Sam>okay uh we got that

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<v Sam>straight let me just finish checking one thing oh so should we start with our

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<v Sam>usual just go okay here comes wait wait wait i have to hit this button almost

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<v Sam>forgot to hit the button here we go,

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, June 22nd.

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<v Sam>2024. It's just after 2.30 UTC as we're starting to record. I'm Sam Mentorini.

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<v Sam>Yvonne Bo is with us again. Hello, Yvonne!

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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Hello.

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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Hello. Anyway, we're going to do our usual. We'll do it, but first with each

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<v Sam>of us doing something non-newsy.

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<v Sam>And then as we've been doing lately, we will have a news-related segment that

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<v Sam>will be all Yvonne's choices.

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<v Sam>And then after that, we will have a news-related segment that will be my choices.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>That's the plan.

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<v Ivan>Sure.

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<v Sam>That's the plan.

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<v Ivan>Sounds.

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<v Sam>That's what we've been doing lately. lately is it we

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<v Sam>used to do yeah we've been doing that for

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<v Sam>at least like a couple months now before that each of

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<v Sam>the two segments was like one you

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<v Sam>and one me okay but recently we haven't been able to stop talking enough to

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<v Sam>fit two subjects into one segment so it's been like but we could still do multiple

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<v Sam>subjects within a segment but then they could all be you and then all be me

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<v Sam>or you know, whatever I did notice.

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<v Ivan>And I, I don't know if you noticed, but I did notice this earlier today that

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<v Ivan>even though we had been sharing stuff into Slack.

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<v Sam>There was absolutely nothing in our subject list.

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<v Ivan>Correct.

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<v Sam>Yeah. I know. I noticed earlier today I was, I literally here's,

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<v Sam>here's the course of events as it went.

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<v Sam>I was at work and like, I was supposed to be thinking about work and I mostly

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<v Sam>was, but this thought came into my head, you know, I don't think there's anything

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<v Sam>anything on our potential subjects list for this week at all yet yeah.

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<v Ivan>We had put anything great.

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<v Sam>And i'm like i should i should go and add a couple things and say something

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<v Sam>about that and then i literally opened up slack went to the thing and one minute

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<v Sam>earlier you had dumped in four topics right and then you added a few more and

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<v Sam>i added a few more so yeah we've we've got a few at this

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<v Sam>point we could alternate the whole show you me you me you me you me you me you say you say me.

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<v Ivan>Say it together.

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<v Sam>Naturally that's.

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<v Ivan>It yes shit you know the song,

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<v Ivan>Holy shit.

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<v Sam>I do know the song. I noticed I did not attempt to sing it, but yes.

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<v Ivan>Wow.

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<v Sam>And anyway, I, I may. Yeah, I do know some songs. I do.

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<v Sam>I know more songs. I've let's put it this way.

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<v Sam>I am more likely if you mention a song to have heard the song than if you mention

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<v Sam>a movie to have watched the movie.

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<v Ivan>Interesting. I'll tell you one thing today. say that because look.

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<v Sam>A movie is like a two-hour commitment a song is like a two-minute commitment

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<v Sam>you know i could deal with that maybe three.

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<v Ivan>No yeah yeah no i sure sure and

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<v Ivan>i and you know one of the things that used to happen like a lot before i don't

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<v Ivan>see this happening as much is that you went to a lot of places and they were

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<v Ivan>playing music there there there seems to be less places that just play music,

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<v Ivan>you know, you.

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<v Sam>Mean like background music when you're in a store, that kind of thing?

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<v Ivan>Like, well, well, I guess one thing is like.

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<v Sam>Cause I, I hear background music when I'm out.

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<v Ivan>But not like the top 40, you know, it's seems like more.

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<v Sam>It's like, well, have you looked at the actual top 40 lately?

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<v Sam>Like there's a lot of swearing and stuff.

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<v Ivan>I don't even know what they are. Well, that's my point. so they don't play that anymore i.

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<v Sam>Don't know the billboard one is.

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<v Ivan>There i i don't even i i look look here.

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<v Sam>But but on uh here you go here you go in apple's music app okay if you go to

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<v Sam>the browse menu and scroll down uh-huh uh-huh you have to scroll down a little

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<v Sam>bit then they have the top hundred global top hundred usa and then pick your

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<v Sam>country you can see the top hundred songs,

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<v Sam>are updated daily and this is by apple music stream let.

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<v Ivan>Me see it's now the billboard top 100 well let's see so to be more broad is

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<v Ivan>that it's just apple i don't know since that's not i mean it is a big app but

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<v Ivan>it's not all encompassing.

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<v Sam>Well of course spotify has similar right right right spotify is something they're

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<v Sam>all big enough that they're probably going to be pretty similar i like apple

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<v Sam>they get they have the global list too where billboards us but yeah Yeah, go ahead.

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<v Sam>They've got UK charts and stuff too, but go ahead.

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<v Ivan>I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say, holy shit, I don't recognize any of these songs.

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<v Ivan>I mean, let's see. Number one on the Billboard Hot 100, I Had Some Help.

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<v Ivan>Do you know what the artist is for that one?

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<v Sam>Well, because I'm looking at it. It's by Post Malone. It's number three on...

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<v Ivan>Well, it's cheating.

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<v Sam>It's on the Apple... It's number three on the Apple Global list today.

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<v Ivan>Okay, let's see. And then there was an artist called Sabrina Carpenter I never

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<v Ivan>heard of that has a number two and number three.

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<v Sam>I've heard of her.

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<v Sam>Please, please, please. Probably shit.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>And espresso. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. That's the number two. Yeah.

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<v Sam>I, I, again, I am looking at the list.

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<v Ivan>Okay. I heard a Kendrick Lamar and I've heard of Eminem. Okay. Who's on here?

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<v Ivan>Well, I think the one thing, well, here, here's one thing. Yes. In the past.

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<v Ivan>I, and this was something that a lot of people did listen to.

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<v Ivan>I mean, this had a broad audience. You had America's top four.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>You know, Casey case of that show. You know, I mean, even if you were,

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<v Ivan>you know, music disinterested, it's one of those things that would be playing

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<v Ivan>everywhere because it was on the radio. You were in the car.

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<v Ivan>We didn't have, you know, most people listen to whatever the hell was on the radio.

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<v Ivan>So we all heard that. So you've heard more songs and apparently you remember them.

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<v Sam>Well, yeah, I remember a lot of songs. I mean, like, well, the one that's been

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<v Sam>shooting up the charts lately and I know because of Like it's all over TikTok.

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<v Sam>Do you know a bar song by Shabuzy?

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<v Ivan>No, no.

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<v Sam>See, you are so out of it. That's been like hot for at least a week now. Maybe two.

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<v Ivan>I, I, I realized that the other day as I pulled the list of my top,

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<v Ivan>like 50 songs that whatever the hell I listened to, nobody else listens to.

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<v Ivan>And these are not, and these are new.

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<v Sam>Well, a bar song by Shabuzy. Here's the thing. It is country rap.

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<v Ivan>Whatever the hell that means.

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<v Sam>So yeah, listen to it. It's a good song. It's a good song. anyway

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<v Sam>like i've added it to my apple music library but no but my point was and the

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<v Sam>reason i like the apple list i don't know the list you're doing may have this

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<v Sam>too but apple has the little e next to ones that are explicit so like right

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<v Sam>now on the global 100 list if i look at the top 10,

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<v Sam>seven of the top 10 have the e for explicit lyrics and so like and they're just

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<v Sam>lots of like number And the top five, all of them, all of the top five.

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<v Sam>And so you are talking about things you hear when you're like out in stores

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<v Sam>or whatever, like most of them aren't going to go with the explicit lyrics.

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<v Ivan>Right. You're not. Exactly. Well, it's like the complaint I just saw.

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<v Sam>You know, now most like a large number of people at this point are no longer

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<v Sam>offended by explicit lyrics.

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<v Sam>That's why they're in the top 10 here. but like if you're running a grocery

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<v Sam>store you're not gonna have the one where the guy's just screaming swear words all the time.

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<v Ivan>You don't want somebody going saying we're gonna fuck that bitch,

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<v Ivan>you're like all of a sudden at the store you're like what yeah it's like because

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<v Ivan>songs will say that kind of stuff i'm like you know so yeah so it's like not

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<v Ivan>exactly what you want in the store And so it brings me, you know,

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<v Ivan>I guess to talk about my, whatchamacallit thing.

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<v Sam>Your actual choice of topic for today?

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<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah. You know, Donald Sutherland died. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay, yeah.

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<v Ivan>And so it brought, you know, listen, even though it was such a small,

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<v Ivan>small bit part, okay, in that movie.

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<v Ivan>The movie that I remember him most for, or most fondly for, is Kentucky Fried Movie.

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<v Sam>See, never seen it. I know a bar song by Shabuzy, but I don't even know if I've

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<v Sam>even heard of a Kentucky Fried Movie.

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<v Sam>I mean, I think I have. I couldn't tell you anything about it that wasn't speculation.

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<v Sam>I assume from the title it's a comedy, and it's a parody of some sort.

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<v Ivan>It's a it's it's a comedy it's a comedy and they parody quite a lot of things

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<v Ivan>you know it's just it's it's a

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<v Ivan>it's a comedy from the 70s of course and it parodies quite a lot of things.

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<v Ivan>And one of the things about the movie is that it

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<v Ivan>did have quite a lot of explicit stuff okay all

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<v Ivan>right i mean there was there was there

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<v Ivan>was a whole thing i mean for example

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<v Ivan>there was there was this whole

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<v Ivan>thing uh they had this they did these

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<v Ivan>movie promos okay all right and they

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<v Ivan>were parodying movies from the time okay okay one

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<v Ivan>of them one of them was there was this movie called armageddon which in the

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<v Ivan>70s you had all these disaster movies for some reason yep i don't know what

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<v Ivan>that like towering inferno and earthquake and the airplane series you know which

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<v Ivan>i mean you You know, I mean, not the airplane, airport,

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<v Ivan>because airplane made fun of airport movies.

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<v Ivan>OK, and so you had all of these. So they were parodying a lot of this stuff.

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<v Ivan>I can't remember what movie they were parodying, but there was one that was

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<v Ivan>Catholic high school church girls in trouble.

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<v Ivan>OK, and there was some explicit sex in that at that scene.

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<v Ivan>And so one of the things is that the movie is available supposedly for free

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<v Ivan>in YouTube, but I noticed that the the the one available on YouTube.

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<v Ivan>Is a heavily edited version. Okay. All right. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>You know, which, because I, if I remember that they did do a cut of that movie,

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<v Ivan>heavily edited, that took out a lot of the explicit stuff. Okay. Okay.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>But the reality is, I mean, it made it not be very funny once you took all account, all of that.

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<v Sam>Yeah, I can imagine.

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<v Ivan>Imagine so so yeah i i get

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<v Ivan>the whole thing with like a store whatever it did people and

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<v Ivan>there were a lot of people on youtube oh this is youtube

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<v Ivan>censorship and i'm like you morons this was

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<v Ivan>actually there was a a cut from the

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<v Ivan>damn studio because you know

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<v Ivan>look you're a studio and you want to sell this right and yeah

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<v Ivan>and you know you you put it out theaters and

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<v Ivan>stuff but you also want to try to put it on television somewhere well

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<v Ivan>you know you need a you need

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<v Ivan>one that's a clean version just like the

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<v Ivan>songs or whatever so you know they made one that was a a clean version and i'm

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<v Ivan>sure that was like a lot cheaper than the other one because i i believe that

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<v Ivan>i couldn't find it and it were online and i bought a dvd of it which i have

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<v Ivan>here which is weird and i i i have I have some DVDs of some obscure movies like that,

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<v Ivan>that for whatever the hell reason,

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<v Ivan>I liked, and they were tough to get.

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<v Ivan>That one, yeah, it's on, but it's, you know, they have that clean editor.

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<v Ivan>I haven't looked for a different version, but that movie, some friends of mine

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<v Ivan>from high school, we thought it was hilarious. So we always...

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<v Ivan>Had fun with with the clips from that movie, and there was just this dumb clip

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<v Ivan>in it where they got some big time actors in the movie, for example.

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<v Ivan>Now, I mean, they got like Bill Bixby was in the movie, which back then Bill

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<v Ivan>Bixby was big from being in The Incredible Hulk.

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<v Sam>Right, right.

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<v Ivan>Donald Sutherland was in the movie. But the thing is, Donald Sutherland was

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<v Ivan>in the movie for, I mean, not even a minute.

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<v Ivan>it okay and that's the thing so donald

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<v Ivan>sutherland was in the movie they were doing this this this

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<v Ivan>bit of calling it that's our the movie that's armageddon

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<v Ivan>which they were making fun of all the disaster movies and in

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<v Ivan>it for whatever reason donald sutherland is the clumsy waiter and he comes out

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<v Ivan>without with a cake for birthday and he falls and smashes his face into the

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<v Ivan>cake and for whatever reason that's in the promo for the movie and so all they

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<v Ivan>say is donald Old Sutherland as the clumsy waiter.

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<v Ivan>He comes out, just falls straight into a cake.

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<v Ivan>That's about as cheap a comedy as you can get.

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<v Ivan>It's just, hey, let me just throw a pie in the guy's face, which,

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<v Ivan>you know, we're a cake in this case.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>And so I don't know why that to me was all, it was just so absurd that he took

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<v Ivan>his time to go and participate in a movie simply for that little bit,

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<v Ivan>that I just always found it amusing. And so he passed away this week.

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<v Ivan>And so I was reminded of that damn movie, you know, which is.

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<v Sam>Which unfortunately is now going to be on my list.

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<v Ivan>Ah, good, good, good, good.

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<v Sam>Because it's been mentioned on this show. So it has to be. That's a rule.

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<v Ivan>You know, we've had a whole bunch of like, I mean, I, you know,

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<v Ivan>the other movie that I wound up getting that I couldn't find anywhere is this

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<v Ivan>movie, the Sean Connery movie called Wrong is Right.

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<v Sam>Okay. I also have not heard of that.

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<v Ivan>I think I may have mentioned this movie. The movie actually,

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<v Ivan>It is a, is a, is they are making a prelude of the future of elections and the news,

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<v Ivan>which I will tell you back then it seemed completely absurd.

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<v Ivan>And now it's like, it's the same thing as when we were watching house of cards

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<v Ivan>at the absurdity. And all of a sudden we're like, fuck, you know, we're beating fucking.

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<v Sam>Which of course, as I previewed last week will be my topic when Yvonne is done here.

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<v Ivan>So yeah so so we've got

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<v Ivan>i mean wrong is right it's he is

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<v Ivan>a a tv reporter and i don't

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<v Ivan>know we've got a terrorist plot with two atom bombs but the

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<v Ivan>one thing is how they make fun of how

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<v Ivan>the news is entertained okay and

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<v Ivan>and that in the future that's how news is going to

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<v Ivan>be and how the political candidates you

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<v Ivan>know handle stuff it was i

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<v Ivan>found it i i thought it's interesting this movie did

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<v Ivan>not perform well at the box office and i i believe it has a pretty bad review

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<v Ivan>but but yeah but but i i for some reason liked it and got it and so if it's

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<v Ivan>not on your list then you can add wrong is right okay i.

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<v Sam>Want to do one more exercise returning to music for a second before we.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah so so.

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<v Sam>That we're looking at the same list actually open up your music app and go to

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<v Sam>that global top 100 list that i described how to get to.

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<v Ivan>All right let me let me go let me go okay hold on itunes there here we go okay we see the top songs go.

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<v Sam>To browse and then scroll down to global top 100.

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<v Ivan>I'll go to browse and then go to.

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<v Sam>You have to go down a little daily top 100 city charts.

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<v Ivan>Daily top 100.

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<v Sam>Oh, there it is.

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<v Ivan>Top 100 global.

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<v Sam>Yeah. That one.

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<v Ivan>Here we go.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. I just want you to do this and then I will go through the same exercise

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<v Sam>of the top 25 on this list. How many do you recognize.

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<v Ivan>The artists or the song?

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<v Sam>The song?

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm of the top 10. I'm over 10.

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<v Sam>Okay. Go to 25. See if you get any.

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<v Ivan>All right. See? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Ivan>I'm over 25. Fuck. I'm over 25.

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<v Sam>Okay. Okay, so I've got like, depending how you count, like five or six.

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<v Ivan>Wow.

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<v Sam>Okay, so let me go like number four, we already mentioned A Bar Song by Shabuzy.

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<v Sam>I have that. I have it in my iTunes library. Okay.

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<v Ivan>Okay.

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<v Sam>Next one that comes up for me is number 10, Houdini, the new Eminem song.

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<v Sam>I have that. I have it in my library. I know what it is.

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<v Ivan>Okay, I'm going down this list

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<v Ivan>to see. I'm going through the whole top 100 to see if I know any of the.

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<v Sam>Top number 13, beautiful things by Benson Boone.

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<v Sam>I, the first ones I mentioned, I could like, you got one in the top 100 beautiful things.

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<v Sam>I don't actually remember it off the top of my head, but I see that I have added

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<v Sam>it to my iTunes library. So I must've heard it at least once and liked it.

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<v Sam>I recognize fortnight by Taylor Swift.

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<v Sam>I have heard, recognize, and have added to my library Lunch by Billie Eilish.

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<v Sam>The next one up, I think I would recognize if I heard it, Cruel Summer by Taylor

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<v Sam>Swift, but I have not added it to my library.

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<v Sam>Last Night by Morgan Wallen. I have added to my library. I don't remember.

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<v Ivan>How many are you up to now?

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<v Sam>You're supposed to be counting for me. I don't know.

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<v Ivan>I don't know.

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<v Sam>That's the last one. Okay, let me do that again.

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<v Ivan>That's a lot.

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<v Sam>One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

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<v Sam>I recognize seven and five of them were actually in my iTunes library.

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<v Ivan>Wow. Okay. So that's out of the top 100?

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<v Sam>Out of the top 25.

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<v Ivan>A top 25. You're at a top 25, seven. Okay. So look, I just went through the top 100.

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<v Ivan>I recognize one. And the only reason I recognize this is because it became...

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<v Sam>Okay, which one is it?

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<v Ivan>It is number 57, which is Fast Car by Luke Combs.

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<v Sam>Right, right. I've got that in my library.

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<v Ivan>But the only reason I know this was because of this whole thing that happened with...

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<v Sam>With Tracy Chapman.

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<v Ivan>With Tracy Chapman. That's it. If that hadn't happened...

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<v Sam>Because, of course, it was a remake.

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<v Ivan>It was her song. It's a remake.

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<v Sam>It was a cover of a Tracy Chapman song, and they performed it together at the Grammys or something.

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<v Ivan>Right. And that's the only reason I know that song, because if it wasn't for

00:20:43.890 --> 00:20:48.170
<v Ivan>that, that it made the news, I would have been 0 for 100.

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<v Ivan>I mean, completely. Holy shit.

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<v Sam>One of my cousins was housemates with Tracy Chapman in college.

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<v Ivan>Wow. Cool.

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<v Sam>My my three degrees of separation or whatever the hell from or i guess it's two from two sure,

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<v Sam>yeah so anyway now this actually is relevant to like a discussion that happened

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<v Sam>under curmudgeon slash slack because i shared a graph of like how most people's

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<v Sam>musical tastes ebb and flow with age that basically shows that like most people

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<v Sam>and yvonne was like not me but most people are most

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<v Sam>fond of the music.

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<v Ivan>What? Basically, but not me. I pulled out the list. That's what it showed.

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<v Ivan>What the hell you want? Well, you're saying it like I said it without any data.

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<v Ivan>Look, I pulled up the fucking list and that's what the fucking list showed. What do you want me to do?

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<v Sam>Anyway, the point was like for most people, the music they remember most fondly

00:21:47.330 --> 00:21:51.530
<v Sam>and think is the best music comes from roughly, uh,

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<v Sam>from when they were older children up until

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<v Sam>the late teens maybe early 20s that's

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<v Sam>the peak and before that and after that

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<v Sam>like they basically most people don't like any music from before they were born

00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:12.870
<v Sam>or from after they were 25 you know basically and like we all like compared

00:22:12.870 --> 00:22:18.150
<v Sam>our apple music libraries and we're like look i've got lots of things that weren't

00:22:18.150 --> 00:22:19.770
<v Sam>in those age ages you know but.

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<v Ivan>Well i i i guess my whole thing is

00:22:22.490 --> 00:22:25.470
<v Ivan>just that i i i just i'm i don't know

00:22:25.470 --> 00:22:28.370
<v Ivan>i for whatever the hell reason whatever is the

00:22:28.370 --> 00:22:32.310
<v Ivan>music that i mostly listen to it doesn't mean that i don't like songs from like

00:22:32.310 --> 00:22:40.050
<v Ivan>the 80s and 90s it's just that it's not what i mostly listen to um right you

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<v Ivan>know and i and i look that most of the stuff that i listen to is a lot newer

00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:46.910
<v Ivan>than that But apparently.

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<v Sam>Not top 2024 music.

00:22:50.150 --> 00:22:55.250
<v Ivan>But it's not top it, but it's not, but it's not top.

00:22:56.110 --> 00:23:02.250
<v Ivan>It's newer, but it's not top 100. Like none of the artists I listened to are popular.

00:23:03.310 --> 00:23:03.750
<v Sam>Good.

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<v Ivan>Well, well, I, I, well, I mean, I guess most people don't think they're good.

00:23:08.850 --> 00:23:11.770
<v Ivan>I guess I, I just, I don't know.

00:23:12.030 --> 00:23:15.750
<v Ivan>Let's see. What are the top 25 in Miami? I wonder, you know,

00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:20.230
<v Ivan>I'm looking at regionally if it's like that, that different.

00:23:20.390 --> 00:23:24.630
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't know. Let me see if there's anything I recognize more from like,

00:23:24.630 --> 00:23:26.410
<v Ivan>oh, there's a Bad Bunny song.

00:23:26.790 --> 00:23:30.610
<v Ivan>I don't even. OK, I know. OK, I know the artist. I don't know that song.

00:23:31.010 --> 00:23:33.010
<v Ivan>I don't really listen to Bad Bunny. OK.

00:23:33.850 --> 00:23:37.910
<v Ivan>Let's see. Top 25 songs in Miami. Do I recognize any of them?

00:23:38.090 --> 00:23:40.390
<v Ivan>Let's see. All right, here we go. There's another test.

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<v Ivan>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, for 25 again. Holy fuck.

00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:53.490
<v Sam>Good job. You see, see now one of the things I have been doing lately.

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<v Sam>Well, first of all, most of the newest things I, I, I, I'm on tech talk a bunch until they ban it.

00:24:00.290 --> 00:24:03.070
<v Sam>and like if a song is trending on tiktok i

00:24:03.070 --> 00:24:05.950
<v Sam>probably hear it and if i like it i add it to my music library

00:24:05.950 --> 00:24:09.770
<v Sam>so like the the bar song thing and the

00:24:09.770 --> 00:24:13.130
<v Sam>the new eminem were both really hot

00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:16.510
<v Sam>on tiktok over the last few weeks okay so that that's

00:24:16.510 --> 00:24:19.730
<v Sam>why i know them but like also like

00:24:19.730 --> 00:24:22.590
<v Sam>of my i i just like just

00:24:22.590 --> 00:24:25.730
<v Sam>like i have for movies and books i

00:24:25.730 --> 00:24:28.770
<v Sam>of course have a very regimented system to decide what music

00:24:28.770 --> 00:24:34.770
<v Sam>to listen to and one of the things i choose randomly from are the the global

00:24:34.770 --> 00:24:38.630
<v Sam>and u.s top 100 lists here just to force myself to listen to some of the new

00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:41.910
<v Sam>stuff and every once in a while i hear something i like and i add it although

00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:45.930
<v Sam>i must admit i don't like most of it but go ahead okay.

00:24:45.930 --> 00:24:51.970
<v Ivan>So but now here's the one thing i think it has to do also i'm somebody that really likes edm music.

00:24:52.490 --> 00:24:58.430
<v Ivan>And there had been a surge of new EDM music in the last 20 years.

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<v Ivan>And I noticed that I went to the top EDM list and I actually know number one,

00:25:05.310 --> 00:25:09.570
<v Ivan>number two, number... All of a sudden, on that list, I know a whole bunch of them.

00:25:10.070 --> 00:25:12.170
<v Sam>Mm-hmm. On the EDM list.

00:25:12.770 --> 00:25:16.530
<v Ivan>On the EDM list, yes. I realized that, oh yeah, I know that one.

00:25:16.610 --> 00:25:18.630
<v Ivan>Oh yeah, I know that one. Oh yeah, I'm like, all of a sudden,

00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:20.650
<v Ivan>yeah. But those aren't really...

00:25:21.500 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Ivan>popular right yeah i mean there was a there was a

00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.960
<v Ivan>burst of like edm being popular like pop

00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Ivan>songs and some artists becoming whatever like it said years ago and then i'll

00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:36.180
<v Ivan>that i'll you know kind of like uh yeah i mean i i know i'm looking at this

00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:41.160
<v Ivan>list top songs oh i know these people oh i know this i'm looking at this i i'm

00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:46.720
<v Ivan>looking at this oh i know all these so so so so that's that's That's interesting.

00:25:46.860 --> 00:25:52.420
<v Ivan>So I guess it's really has to do with, with I, one of the things that with what's

00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:54.620
<v Ivan>made it easier that we have digital,

00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:59.580
<v Ivan>you know, excess of accessibility to downloads is that basically I've managed

00:25:59.580 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Ivan>to do like, I guess just, just isolate myself from all this other music that

00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:06.560
<v Ivan>I really don't want to hear.

00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.320
<v Sam>You just get whatever you want. And like with music subscriptions at this point,

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:15.440
<v Sam>regardless of like it, it apparently Like it's not good for the artists.

00:26:15.540 --> 00:26:18.040
<v Sam>Like they just don't get paid all that much for streaming.

00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:25.080
<v Sam>But from the point of view of, you know, the consumer, you pay a monthly fee

00:26:25.080 --> 00:26:29.860
<v Sam>and you get access to everything with no ads and whatever. Pretty much.

00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:35.120
<v Ivan>Well, I heard that it was like, so, you know, somebody was having a discussion

00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:38.600
<v Ivan>recently about that and what I heard. It was pretty interesting.

00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:42.500
<v Ivan>I heard that Apple pays more per song than Spotify does.

00:26:42.580 --> 00:26:43.040
<v Sam>For example.

00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.940
<v Ivan>Than spotify but what happens is that i guess a lot more

00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:49.020
<v Ivan>people use spotify so artists get more money

00:26:49.020 --> 00:26:54.760
<v Ivan>from spotify but it's because there's a lot more spotify users right so that's

00:26:54.760 --> 00:26:59.340
<v Ivan>that's that was the one thing that i that i got but per song apple does pay

00:26:59.340 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Ivan>more than spotify okay so that was the one thing that i that i that i noticed

00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.820
<v Ivan>uh but you know that it but but i i get it,

00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:13.290
<v Ivan>I mean, I will say that I still buy songs occasionally.

00:27:13.970 --> 00:27:16.670
<v Sam>I have not bought a song in at least a decade.

00:27:17.250 --> 00:27:23.730
<v Ivan>Oh, God, no. Come on. No, I definitely have purchased songs far more recently than that. Let me check.

00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:28.550
<v Sam>Well, I don't know. Let me let me let me. I don't know when I don't know.

00:27:28.650 --> 00:27:32.130
<v Sam>Like, when did Apple Music launch their streaming service?

00:27:32.270 --> 00:27:35.070
<v Sam>Because that's basically the last day I bought a song.

00:27:35.550 --> 00:27:39.770
<v Sam>Before that, I was buying both from both from Amazon and from Apple.

00:27:39.770 --> 00:27:44.830
<v Sam>I bought music and of course before that I bought CDs but like but but.

00:27:44.830 --> 00:27:48.970
<v Ivan>Okay let's see you know I got out now is something something else to look up

00:27:48.970 --> 00:27:50.490
<v Ivan>but since Apple music actually.

00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:55.570
<v Sam>Started the streaming service I I just do that like.

00:27:56.950 --> 00:28:06.110
<v Ivan>Music service okay let's see it was launched drumroll okay you want to take a guess the.

00:28:06.110 --> 00:28:07.310
<v Sam>Last time you bought a song.

00:28:07.310 --> 00:28:10.430
<v Ivan>No no no no one was When it was launched.

00:28:10.890 --> 00:28:12.590
<v Sam>I don't know when Apple Music launched.

00:28:13.090 --> 00:28:14.230
<v Ivan>I do have the answer.

00:28:15.070 --> 00:28:15.450
<v Sam>2014.

00:28:16.230 --> 00:28:17.670
<v Ivan>You're close. 2015.

00:28:18.630 --> 00:28:19.010
<v Sam>Okay.

00:28:19.090 --> 00:28:23.010
<v Ivan>Very close. Okay. Very close. Let's see. When was the last time I bought a song?

00:28:23.090 --> 00:28:24.190
<v Ivan>That's a great question. Let's see.

00:28:24.590 --> 00:28:28.370
<v Ivan>Where's my purchases? There's something here purchased. I'm sure there's still

00:28:28.370 --> 00:28:30.990
<v Ivan>a place where I can see. Okay.

00:28:32.910 --> 00:28:37.470
<v Ivan>purchased hold on god I can't,

00:28:41.930 --> 00:28:43.690
<v Ivan>that's more complicated than

00:28:43.690 --> 00:28:52.810
<v Ivan>I expected here we go purchased uh huh uh huh here we go songs oh man I.

00:28:52.810 --> 00:28:59.690
<v Sam>Found my last purchases but I don't see oh I can can I get the date how can I get the date i can um.

00:28:59.690 --> 00:29:03.970
<v Ivan>It was in the last couple of weeks yeah

00:29:03.970 --> 00:29:11.490
<v Ivan>it seems here we go let's see it hold on one second don't include copyrighted

00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:20.370
<v Ivan>music come on i i i was not trying to do so but hold on one second i gotta why

00:29:20.370 --> 00:29:21.630
<v Ivan>don't you show me the date,

00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:28.370
<v Ivan>of when i purchased yeah you're showing me most recent yeah yeah i'm.

00:29:28.370 --> 00:29:31.830
<v Sam>At the same point you have to go to the song go to go to your songs list make

00:29:31.830 --> 00:29:35.210
<v Sam>sure you add the date to the headings the date.

00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.930
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um uh

00:29:38.930 --> 00:29:42.470
<v Ivan>when i was looking for made me

00:29:42.470 --> 00:29:53.070
<v Ivan>forget got as we we entertain you all with with our our looking for stuff music

00:29:53.070 --> 00:29:59.250
<v Ivan>as we do something here we go gear release date no beats per minute no album

00:29:59.250 --> 00:30:01.350
<v Ivan>rating no date added there we go,

00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:07.370
<v Ivan>oh purchase date purchase date there we go yeah yeah yeah yeah okay there okay

00:30:07.370 --> 00:30:09.850
<v Ivan>all right so So interesting.

00:30:10.610 --> 00:30:14.390
<v Sam>Last thing I purchased was July 31st, 2016.

00:30:15.030 --> 00:30:18.110
<v Ivan>My, my, my, my, my list doesn't want to sort.

00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:22.560
<v Ivan>Oh, come on. Come on.

00:30:23.360 --> 00:30:30.420
<v Sam>Anyway, I found the last song I purchased and just looked up that song. It was July 31st, 2016.

00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:35.320
<v Sam>And know what? It was a special reason that I purchased that song.

00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:39.620
<v Sam>It was when I made the Ray Lynch promo for this show.

00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:41.600
<v Ivan>So what day was that again?

00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Sam>July 31st, 2016.

00:30:44.660 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Ivan>Wow.

00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Sam>And I did that because, like, We were talking to Ray Lynch's wife about getting

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.860
<v Sam>official permission to use his songs at the beginning and end of the show.

00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:01.580
<v Sam>And she said, fine, just include a promo and credit and whatever.

00:31:01.840 --> 00:31:05.180
<v Sam>And so I made that promo that's still in rotation here. I promised to have it

00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:07.840
<v Sam>in our rotation of promos as long as we're using the songs.

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.220
<v Sam>And in order to build that promo.

00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:12.840
<v Ivan>You have to get the song.

00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:18.860
<v Sam>I bought every single Ray Lynch album so that I could pick one song from every

00:31:18.860 --> 00:31:23.100
<v Sam>album to include in that promo and that and that's when and that was what this

00:31:23.100 --> 00:31:27.700
<v Sam>purchase was because not all of it was available to stream and even if it was

00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:30.320
<v Sam>I probably would have bought it anyway because they were being nice to us so

00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:32.460
<v Sam>like by their music you know well.

00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Ivan>They were being very they were being extremely nice with us.

00:31:35.530 --> 00:31:38.950
<v Sam>So everybody buy Ray Lynch music. If you haven't already.

00:31:39.430 --> 00:31:42.530
<v Ivan>Yes, definitely buy Ray Lynch music by.

00:31:42.530 --> 00:31:43.430
<v Sam>All of his albums.

00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:45.230
<v Ivan>All of them and.

00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:48.850
<v Sam>Listen to them over and over again on streaming over and over.

00:31:48.890 --> 00:31:51.130
<v Ivan>Over and over. Just, just, just put them on repeat.

00:31:51.830 --> 00:31:53.610
<v Sam>So are we done with the music?

00:31:54.030 --> 00:32:00.790
<v Ivan>I don't know. Are we, why is this thing refusing to do what I am asking it to do?

00:32:01.570 --> 00:32:05.410
<v Sam>Okay. So do you know what song was the last one you did? and now you're searching for the song?

00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:09.730
<v Ivan>Okay, here we go. Yeah, hold on. So if you know what song.

00:32:09.830 --> 00:32:16.450
<v Sam>Go in library menu, songs, then you can sort that list alphabetically, find the song.

00:32:16.950 --> 00:32:19.910
<v Ivan>Okay, it looks like it was May 8th, 2023.

00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:21.290
<v Sam>Okay.

00:32:21.770 --> 00:32:23.090
<v Ivan>Okay, so it was one year.

00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:24.350
<v Sam>Much more recently than mine.

00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:29.490
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yes. There you go. That's what it's looking like, yes.

00:32:30.010 --> 00:32:31.170
<v Sam>Now are we done with music?

00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:32.890
<v Ivan>Probably. Maybe.

00:32:32.890 --> 00:32:37.270
<v Sam>Maybe we will never listen to another song in our lives. We're done with it.

00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:39.110
<v Ivan>I doubt that's the case.

00:32:39.490 --> 00:32:40.010
<v Sam>Okay.

00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:43.310
<v Ivan>Well, unless we get annihilated now today.

00:32:43.410 --> 00:32:44.790
<v Sam>Let's try not to.

00:32:44.990 --> 00:32:48.590
<v Ivan>I would be great. You know, I'm trying to avoid that.

00:32:49.250 --> 00:32:56.210
<v Sam>Okay. As promised, I finished a TV show and it was the American version of house of cards.

00:32:56.670 --> 00:33:00.990
<v Sam>I finished all six seasons of it before I talk about this.

00:33:01.050 --> 00:33:04.710
<v Ivan>So let me, Let me ask a question about this. So did we all just,

00:33:04.810 --> 00:33:10.210
<v Ivan>was it like a massive group of people like, like us, we just all of a sudden

00:33:10.210 --> 00:33:14.930
<v Ivan>there was somewhere along that house of cards, which is what just said, ah, forget it.

00:33:15.510 --> 00:33:20.330
<v Sam>Well, what happened to me is I caught up with the present in house of cards.

00:33:20.330 --> 00:33:23.370
<v Sam>And according to my system, that meant it fell out of my rotation.

00:33:23.750 --> 00:33:26.830
<v Sam>And then it only came back on my rotation a couple of years ago.

00:33:27.530 --> 00:33:28.650
<v Ivan>Okay. Interesting.

00:33:29.150 --> 00:33:33.650
<v Sam>Yeah, because I caught up to the present. So I moved it off my current list

00:33:33.650 --> 00:33:38.570
<v Sam>onto a backup list to come back to when I had an opening in my rotation,

00:33:38.830 --> 00:33:43.290
<v Sam>which took several years for it for me to get an opening and for me to pick

00:33:43.290 --> 00:33:46.630
<v Sam>randomly out of my list of backlog items to go back to House of Cards.

00:33:46.630 --> 00:33:49.330
<v Sam>okay um but before i get

00:33:49.330 --> 00:33:52.370
<v Sam>into my review of the american house of cards series

00:33:52.370 --> 00:33:55.470
<v Sam>let me put in a plug for the british house

00:33:55.470 --> 00:34:00.510
<v Sam>of cards series that it was based on yeah and it actually the way they it's

00:34:00.510 --> 00:34:05.750
<v Sam>actually listed like if you look on wikipedia it's separate shows that were

00:34:05.750 --> 00:34:12.370
<v Sam>sequels of each other house of cards then to play the king then final cut each

00:34:12.370 --> 00:34:13.990
<v Sam>of which was essentially a four

00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:19.130
<v Sam>-episode miniseries, but I considered them sort of as seasons of the British

00:34:19.130 --> 00:34:23.310
<v Sam>House of Cards because they follow one after another with the same characters.

00:34:23.450 --> 00:34:26.450
<v Sam>It's really seasons of a show. They just called it something different there.

00:34:26.590 --> 00:34:28.510
<v Sam>They called it three different miniseries.

00:34:28.730 --> 00:34:35.830
<v Sam>Anyway, the British version of House of Cards and To Play the King and Final Cut, excellent series.

00:34:36.390 --> 00:34:41.290
<v Sam>So if you've only watched the American one, you should pull out the British version two.

00:34:41.290 --> 00:34:45.190
<v Sam>it was the three seasons were 1990 1993

00:34:45.190 --> 00:34:47.950
<v Sam>and 1995 so a little

00:34:47.950 --> 00:34:53.530
<v Sam>older than this and of course that was the whole thing was based on a book from

00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:59.610
<v Sam>1989 okay but i have not read the book so i cannot speak to the book but the

00:34:59.610 --> 00:35:05.390
<v Sam>british series is excellent go watch the british series it it is different than the american one is.

00:35:05.390 --> 00:35:10.550
<v Ivan>It okay is is it better than the american one in your opinion They.

00:35:10.550 --> 00:35:15.290
<v Sam>Are very different. If I could only pick one to watch.

00:35:15.610 --> 00:35:16.290
<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:17.780
<v Sam>The British one.

00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:19.600
<v Ivan>Okay. So there you have it.

00:35:20.120 --> 00:35:23.560
<v Sam>But it's been many, many years since I watched the British one.

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.580
<v Sam>Like basically when the American one came out, I said, okay,

00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:30.260
<v Sam>I'm going to watch the American one, but I have to watch the British one first.

00:35:30.740 --> 00:35:31.180
<v Ivan>Okay.

00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Sam>So I probably, the American one started in, when did it start?

00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:43.340
<v Sam>Where are my years here? 2013. So I probably watched the British one around 2013, 2014.

00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:47.700
<v Sam>Okay. The British one. No, not the British one. The American one.

00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:53.340
<v Sam>Yeah. This is the one with Kevin Spacey. And a lot of people did stop watching.

00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:56.660
<v Sam>Like you were just saying, like it wasn't my situation because it was a little

00:35:56.660 --> 00:36:00.940
<v Sam>bit different, but I think there were two things that happened.

00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:06.780
<v Sam>One. Well, let's just, let's just get this off the bat. I think the first three

00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.620
<v Sam>seasons of house of cards were excellent.

00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:15.300
<v Sam>Fourth was. Eh. Okay. Five and six were utter crap.

00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:16.660
<v Ivan>Okay. Okay.

00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Sam>So a lot of people were dropping off

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.080
<v Sam>because the quality started declining after the

00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:26.160
<v Sam>first three seasons anyway and then a lot more

00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Sam>people dropped when kevin spacey got

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:36.580
<v Sam>into his sex scandal yeah and got fired right you know and and even like the

00:36:36.580 --> 00:36:42.460
<v Sam>the last i forget the exact timing but even people who had were still on kevin

00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Sam>spacey seasons of house of he was in the first five only the The last one was out without him.

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.680
<v Sam>A lot of people dropped off, you know, a couple of weeks ago with Pete,

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:58.720
<v Sam>I talked about sort of the whole notion of do you support and watch media that

00:36:58.720 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Sam>is done by people who are problematic?

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Sam>And a lot of people dropped house of cards simply because it turns out Kevin Spacey was a dick.

00:37:07.410 --> 00:37:11.890
<v Sam>You know, I mean, he was out there sexually harassing young men.

00:37:12.790 --> 00:37:17.210
<v Sam>And now apparently allegedly. Well, he was acquitted.

00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:17.970
<v Ivan>Right.

00:37:18.050 --> 00:37:21.250
<v Sam>He went to court and was acquitted. So like, well, okay.

00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:24.110
<v Ivan>Listen, conviction doesn't mean that he didn't do it. Okay.

00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:24.890
<v Sam>No, it doesn't.

00:37:25.210 --> 00:37:28.770
<v Ivan>And by the way, he recently gave an interview where he.

00:37:28.850 --> 00:37:34.110
<v Sam>He, uh, he cried about not having his house in Baltimore because it was possessed. It repossessed.

00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:38.410
<v Ivan>Well, not that. That wasn't the part that I was focused on.

00:37:38.510 --> 00:37:41.990
<v Ivan>I think I focused on the fact that even though he was acquitted,

00:37:42.270 --> 00:37:48.690
<v Ivan>you know, one thing that I heard him say directly was that he feels,

00:37:48.850 --> 00:37:51.430
<v Ivan>I don't know if it's, at least he expressed this.

00:37:51.490 --> 00:37:54.930
<v Ivan>I'm not going to say that, I'm not going to parse whether it's truth or not.

00:37:54.930 --> 00:38:00.130
<v Ivan>But what he was what he was saying was that it seems that he made a lot of people

00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:04.230
<v Ivan>uncomfortable doing stuff that he felt that he felt bad about that.

00:38:04.830 --> 00:38:05.350
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:38:05.450 --> 00:38:10.530
<v Ivan>And that he realizes that now. Now, look, I don't know if he's saying this for

00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:15.090
<v Ivan>I mean, I can't judge whether he's being truthful or not.

00:38:15.090 --> 00:38:19.970
<v Ivan>I'm just saying that unlike, because I've seen others that have done this kind

00:38:19.970 --> 00:38:23.590
<v Ivan>of stuff and they will, you know, I never did anything wrong,

00:38:23.630 --> 00:38:28.630
<v Ivan>like going down to the grave, but he actually got acquitted and he actually admitted that.

00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:34.550
<v Sam>Actually, just looking, I'm looking up the, so three charges were dismissed

00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:38.650
<v Sam>and the jury found him not guilty of the remaining nine charges.

00:38:38.650 --> 00:38:44.410
<v Sam>This was for charges in the UK of sexual assault against three people who complained.

00:38:44.670 --> 00:38:52.650
<v Sam>And there were earlier, there were allegations from lots more people than the

00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:54.090
<v Sam>ones that actually went to court.

00:38:54.130 --> 00:38:54.490
<v Ivan>Correct.

00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:55.430
<v Sam>Oh, yeah.

00:38:55.530 --> 00:38:56.430
<v Ivan>Oh, no, I know.

00:38:56.470 --> 00:38:59.870
<v Sam>So basically the C.

00:39:01.010 --> 00:39:08.170
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah. On October 2017, actor Anthony Rapp alleged that Spacey,

00:39:08.170 --> 00:39:12.150
<v Sam>while appearing intoxicated, made a sexual advance towards him at a party in

00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:15.730
<v Sam>1986 when Rapp was 14 and Spacey was 26.

00:39:16.430 --> 00:39:21.250
<v Sam>Rapp had also shared this story in a 2001 interview, but Spacey's name had been

00:39:21.250 --> 00:39:23.790
<v Sam>redacted from the publication to avoid legal disputes.

00:39:24.270 --> 00:39:27.570
<v Sam>Spacey stated on Twitter that he did not remember the encounter,

00:39:27.930 --> 00:39:32.450
<v Sam>but he owed Rapp the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate

00:39:32.450 --> 00:39:35.890
<v Sam>drunken behavior if he had behaved as asserted.

00:39:36.030 --> 00:39:39.890
<v Sam>In 2020, Rapp sued Spacey for sexual assault, sexual battery,

00:39:40.090 --> 00:39:44.310
<v Sam>and intentional affliction of emotional distress under the Child Victims Act.

00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:49.090
<v Sam>In the subsequent federal court proceeding, jury found that Spacey did not molest

00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:51.210
<v Sam>Rapp and was found not liable on all counts,

00:39:51.370 --> 00:39:54.590
<v Sam>with Rapp subsequently ordered by the court to pay Spacey

00:39:54.590 --> 00:40:00.370
<v Sam>$39,000 in damages that was the first then 15 others came forward alleging similar

00:40:00.370 --> 00:40:05.770
<v Sam>abuse and then the charges i was mentioning in the uk were a later set of charges

00:40:05.770 --> 00:40:11.830
<v Sam>for conduct that was supposedly happened in 2001 through 2004 so so how do.

00:40:11.830 --> 00:40:14.330
<v Ivan>They write so how do they write them off the series.

00:40:15.810 --> 00:40:22.550
<v Sam>So okay let let me get to let me get to that so the the first again the first

00:40:22.550 --> 00:40:24.170
<v Sam>three seasons i I think we're excellent.

00:40:24.510 --> 00:40:27.290
<v Sam>Maybe they declined a little bit as you went through one through three,

00:40:27.310 --> 00:40:29.590
<v Sam>but the first three seasons were really good.

00:40:30.010 --> 00:40:31.330
<v Ivan>No, they were really good.

00:40:31.750 --> 00:40:38.970
<v Sam>Four was really kind of mediocre and felt like things were starting to get really

00:40:38.970 --> 00:40:43.270
<v Sam>stretched and we're like, okay, you kind of kid.

00:40:43.310 --> 00:40:48.470
<v Sam>It was still okay in season four. It wasn't bad in season four in season five

00:40:48.470 --> 00:40:51.990
<v Sam>though, which was the last one with Kevin Spacey.

00:40:53.100 --> 00:40:58.940
<v Sam>Things started happening that were like, what? That doesn't even make sense.

00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:07.320
<v Sam>One of the things that was cool about House of Cards is that the main character,

00:41:07.580 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Sam>who was Frank Underwood, was who Kevin Spacey played, would manipulate the American

00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.240
<v Sam>political system in creative ways.

00:41:17.240 --> 00:41:20.700
<v Sam>Now, some of them very, very illegal. They involve murder.

00:41:21.100 --> 00:41:24.340
<v Sam>Other things were happening, blackmail, blah, blah, blah.

00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Sam>But the details of the politics were always kind of right.

00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:34.740
<v Sam>Like if I talked about how the Senate worked or how, you know,

00:41:34.740 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Sam>somebody gets appointed to the vice presidency or how, you know,

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Sam>all of this stuff, those details were right.

00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:47.800
<v Sam>And that was good. In season five, a lot of the details weren't even right. It's like.

00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:51.080
<v Ivan>It's just all like the shit. They just started making up shit.

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:59.580
<v Sam>I like get into the constitutional minutia of like how things like what happens

00:41:59.580 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Sam>when the 25th Amendment is invoked or what happens when the Electoral College

00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.340
<v Sam>doesn't have a majority and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:13.300
<v Sam>And they went to a scenario where, okay, in season five, it's either end of

00:42:13.300 --> 00:42:14.940
<v Sam>season four, beginning of season five, I forget.

00:42:15.220 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Sam>But they had an election that went into the Electoral College because two states

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.620
<v Sam>had their elections disrupted and did not declare a winner or whatever.

00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:29.900
<v Sam>And it was enough to throw it into the Electoral College. but what happened

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:34.620
<v Sam>you know it goes into the house and the house votes over and over and over again

00:42:34.620 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Sam>out out of the top three categories until they come up with a winner that's

00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.060
<v Sam>the constitutionally mandated thing somehow they had a couple votes in the house

00:42:43.060 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Sam>and then we're like you know what,

00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Sam>let's order new elections in those two states there is no mechanism for that to happen.

00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:56.480
<v Ivan>Yeah, I see that they completely lost. They went off the rails.

00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.160
<v Sam>They went off the rails in terms of all that kind of stuff. And then you asked,

00:43:01.220 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Sam>how did they write him out?

00:43:02.540 --> 00:43:02.980
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:43:03.120 --> 00:43:08.580
<v Sam>Well, how they were, the scandal happened after season five, before season six.

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.540
<v Ivan>Uh-huh.

00:43:09.820 --> 00:43:14.560
<v Sam>They wrote him out by the first episode of season six, you know,

00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:18.300
<v Sam>his wife coming on the screen and saying, well, he's dead.

00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:23.820
<v Sam>And now i'm you know what way to do it you

00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Sam>know because the season five ended

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Sam>with him resigning the presidency and his wife who had also been his vice presidential

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Sam>candidate it was it was like he they ran for president with him as the presidential

00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.500
<v Sam>candidate and hers the vice presidential candidate and then it went into the

00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:45.380
<v Sam>house and because the presidency couldn't be be decided by the house.

00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.180
<v Sam>The Senate picked the vice president and she became acting president because

00:43:49.180 --> 00:43:51.040
<v Sam>there was no president decided on.

00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:54.860
<v Sam>And so she was president for a while. And then he eventually won.

00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:58.740
<v Sam>He became president, but then he resigned and she was president again.

00:43:59.140 --> 00:44:02.540
<v Sam>And that was how, that's how the season ended.

00:44:02.660 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Sam>Season five ended, something like that. And then season six just ended with,

00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Sam>well, he died of our, it ended as it started at his funeral or something is

00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.240
<v Sam>he He had had a heart attack.

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.900
<v Sam>He just had a heart attack and died. And then one of the things that was a mystery

00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Sam>over the course of the last season was, was it actually a heart attack or did

00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:25.640
<v Sam>she kill him or did somebody else kill him?

00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:31.940
<v Sam>You know, and it wasn't even 100% fully resolved by the end.

00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:38.640
<v Sam>But like, look in season six, the thing is that this, this, the,

00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.040
<v Sam>the series had already lost the plot.

00:44:41.080 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Sam>Like, I mean, like it was just so convoluted and so unbelievable.

00:44:45.540 --> 00:44:50.080
<v Sam>Season five was really hard in season six when they lost their main character.

00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:54.600
<v Sam>I mean, she was really good in the show. His wife was played by Robin Wright,

00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Sam>and she was excellent in the show too, but she couldn't carry it the same way he carried it.

00:45:01.240 --> 00:45:07.020
<v Sam>And they also never quite figured out the right way to deal with her.

00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Sam>Because one of the things is she'd been played up through this point as incredibly

00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.720
<v Sam>smart and incredibly savvy.

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:14.300
<v Ivan>Right.

00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Sam>And and for the second half of season five and all of season six,

00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:22.460
<v Sam>it seemed like both her and Frank Underwood, when he was still alive,

00:45:22.700 --> 00:45:28.500
<v Sam>were being horribly manipulated by other people into really doing stupid things.

00:45:28.620 --> 00:45:33.260
<v Sam>And the first few seasons, they were the smart ones manipulating everyone else.

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:36.100
<v Ivan>Right. They were the ones that. Exactly.

00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Sam>And then suddenly the tables are turned and it seems like these other people

00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:46.720
<v Sam>are suddenly really obviously manipulating them and they're falling for it.

00:45:47.530 --> 00:45:50.290
<v Sam>And, and it just like, and that

00:45:50.290 --> 00:45:54.830
<v Sam>went on throughout most of season six spoilers sort of towards the end.

00:45:54.890 --> 00:45:59.090
<v Sam>It seems like she somehow ended up getting the upper hand again over all the

00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:01.450
<v Sam>people who were trying to manipulate her for the whole season.

00:46:01.710 --> 00:46:06.890
<v Sam>But for like the longest time, it seemed like she was just doing stupid shit

00:46:06.890 --> 00:46:12.810
<v Sam>and falling into their traps. And, you know, so, yeah, so basically first three seasons, excellent.

00:46:13.270 --> 00:46:18.130
<v Sam>Fourth, eh, five, bad, six, really bad.

00:46:18.650 --> 00:46:23.170
<v Sam>You know, that's, that's my review of the American version of House of Cards.

00:46:23.750 --> 00:46:24.970
<v Ivan>Okay. Wow.

00:46:25.790 --> 00:46:31.950
<v Sam>Oh, and I mentioned the British ones. Basically in season one of the American version,

00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:35.090
<v Sam>there are lots of parallels between the British version and

00:46:35.090 --> 00:46:37.830
<v Sam>what happened in the us version of

00:46:37.830 --> 00:46:41.650
<v Sam>season one after that they completely diverge and even

00:46:41.650 --> 00:46:44.590
<v Sam>in season one there were only sort of parallels it

00:46:44.590 --> 00:46:49.010
<v Sam>wasn't like it didn't it never seemed like they were just remaking the british

00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:54.370
<v Sam>version there were just some things that like you could that were similar there

00:46:54.370 --> 00:46:58.810
<v Sam>were some similar plot points but it was never like oh yeah this is clearly

00:46:58.810 --> 00:47:04.310
<v Sam>just you know they're just doing exactly the same thing with americans yeah so okay.

00:47:04.310 --> 00:47:08.410
<v Ivan>So what are you what's your ver i mean you like the seasons what would you you

00:47:08.410 --> 00:47:12.450
<v Ivan>know i i mean you you rated the seasons okay you know it's not if you had to

00:47:12.450 --> 00:47:14.030
<v Ivan>rate the overall package.

00:47:15.010 --> 00:47:22.050
<v Sam>Overall pack like if okay if you stop after season three big thumbs up if you

00:47:22.050 --> 00:47:27.030
<v Sam>have to watch all six thumbs sideways like it averages out to a sideways because

00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:31.290
<v Sam>okay the the end was bad like yeah you You know, I mean,

00:47:31.370 --> 00:47:34.450
<v Sam>it was still it was still entertaining,

00:47:34.750 --> 00:47:36.890
<v Sam>I guess. It's just like it is.

00:47:37.010 --> 00:47:43.390
<v Sam>It had clearly lost the thread of what made it really good in the first few seasons.

00:47:43.710 --> 00:47:51.010
<v Ivan>I mean, I kind of remember and I'm remembering when I stopped watching it and

00:47:51.010 --> 00:47:55.910
<v Ivan>I'm realizing that it was around the time of that season.

00:47:56.590 --> 00:48:00.970
<v Ivan>Yeah, it's like one, two, three was great. and then it was in season,

00:48:01.810 --> 00:48:07.010
<v Ivan>what the hell it was there was one where they tried to assassinate him and they

00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:13.070
<v Ivan>when everything starts like completely like disconnecting from reality like

00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:14.970
<v Ivan>you said that's really when it

00:48:14.970 --> 00:48:18.630
<v Ivan>lost me and I was just like I don't need to watch this shit anymore yeah,

00:48:20.130 --> 00:48:22.910
<v Ivan>So, I mean, because it wasn't that, you know, that it was like,

00:48:23.030 --> 00:48:28.250
<v Ivan>it just wasn't, it just, it just seems sloppy. That's it.

00:48:28.910 --> 00:48:34.270
<v Sam>Right. So. Okay. We've gone way too long with this stuff.

00:48:34.690 --> 00:48:39.850
<v Sam>Let's, let's move on and we'll come back with Yvonne picking what the first

00:48:39.850 --> 00:48:43.910
<v Sam>newsy thing of the show will be this time around.

00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:47.230
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00:48:47.850 --> 00:48:54.290
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00:49:06.190 --> 00:49:07.770
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00:49:08.170 --> 00:49:16.090
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00:49:17.010 --> 00:49:21.590
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00:49:22.250 --> 00:49:28.770
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00:49:29.470 --> 00:49:36.130
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00:49:36.130 --> 00:49:38.810
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00:49:39.490 --> 00:49:45.070
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00:49:49.210 --> 00:49:51.870
<v Sam>Okay. Topic. What are we talking about, Yvonne?

00:49:52.750 --> 00:49:58.070
<v Ivan>What are we going to talk about? Well, I'll go and I'll deviate the subject, I guess.

00:50:00.430 --> 00:50:03.990
<v Ivan>So there was this story this week.

00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:10.990
<v Ivan>I can't remember what publication did this. I can't remember where it was published,

00:50:11.070 --> 00:50:16.090
<v Ivan>but I know a number of people started talking about it, about the stock market

00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:21.030
<v Ivan>right now with tech and looking back at the tech bubble.

00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:27.430
<v Ivan>And they were talking about how certain companies,

00:50:28.370 --> 00:50:32.230
<v Ivan>well, they were talking more specifically about NVIDIA, specifically as NVIDIA

00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:40.570
<v Ivan>has eclipsed everybody else as the largest market capitalization company right

00:50:40.570 --> 00:50:46.770
<v Ivan>now because the man for their ships is just through the roof. I and.

00:50:48.290 --> 00:50:53.550
<v Ivan>You know, the discussion was, hey, is this are we looking at the,

00:50:53.590 --> 00:50:58.890
<v Ivan>you know, like what it was in the tech bubble back in back in the late 90s, 2000,

00:50:59.310 --> 00:51:06.950
<v Ivan>you know, and the reality is that now it's just it's it's it's not.

00:51:06.950 --> 00:51:15.970
<v Ivan>I mean, when you look at the metrics and, you know, at the numbers, it's just there is no.

00:51:17.430 --> 00:51:25.970
<v Ivan>Nvidia right now is at a multiple that is well within a normal multiple that

00:51:25.970 --> 00:51:30.770
<v Ivan>is also well within what their forecast for revenue and profits are.

00:51:30.770 --> 00:51:33.690
<v Ivan>OK, and, you know, we're talking somewhere like.

00:51:33.690 --> 00:51:36.990
<v Sam>Within sort of normal ranges that you would expect with a company,

00:51:37.050 --> 00:51:40.850
<v Sam>with their with their fundamentals, with the actual results they're making.

00:51:41.630 --> 00:51:49.650
<v Ivan>Exactly, exactly. Whereas back then it was just, look, the companies, none of them made money.

00:51:49.770 --> 00:51:52.610
<v Ivan>Hell, a whole bunch of them didn't have any fucking revenue.

00:51:52.810 --> 00:51:58.610
<v Ivan>OK, and we were valuing them at hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:51:58.750 --> 00:52:03.310
<v Ivan>OK, all right. I mean, I'm going to say, I'm going to look up to see,

00:52:03.450 --> 00:52:11.250
<v Ivan>I mean, one of the big ones that was at that point, AOL, okay?

00:52:11.970 --> 00:52:18.830
<v Ivan>AOL at one point was the be-all, end-all, okay?

00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:28.490
<v Ivan>I mean, Yahoo and AOL, I mean, AOL was valued at $200 billion, okay?

00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:30.810
<v Ivan>All right? At its peak. Okay.

00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:33.810
<v Ivan>And I don't think it ever made money.

00:52:34.550 --> 00:52:34.970
<v Sam>Ever?

00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:36.990
<v Ivan>Yeah. Ever.

00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:40.050
<v Ivan>Yes. Ever.

00:52:40.430 --> 00:52:44.390
<v Sam>Well, I guess they spent enough on those damn discs.

00:52:45.130 --> 00:52:45.550
<v Ivan>Don't.

00:52:48.110 --> 00:52:49.130
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mean.

00:52:49.350 --> 00:52:53.050
<v Sam>I mean, how could they not? I paid them for 10 years after the last time I used

00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:57.090
<v Sam>dial-up for the dial-up service. They should have made money just on me.

00:52:57.870 --> 00:53:05.390
<v Ivan>That's true. I, you know, I get that, but I don't think it generated any accounting

00:53:05.390 --> 00:53:11.310
<v Ivan>profits during that entire time. Whereas, you know.

00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Ivan>I mean, NVIDIA actually is making billions.

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:23.180
<v Ivan>I mean, their revenue is through the roof. They're really, they're raking in a lot of money.

00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.980
<v Ivan>Okay. This isn't just, you know, we're buying the latest tech.

00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Ivan>There is meat on the bone on this company. Okay.

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Sam>Well, let me ask a couple questions, though. is the meat that is on the bone

00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:46.080
<v Sam>because they are actually selling real stuff driven by its own bubble like they're

00:53:46.080 --> 00:53:48.780
<v Sam>big for a graphic cards right which are used for.

00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Ivan>Two things okay let me let me just say whoa okay

00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:59.060
<v Ivan>go ahead okay okay okay i just looked up this chart um uh of their profit they're

00:53:59.060 --> 00:54:04.940
<v Ivan>only they made no money in 08 no money on 09 no money in 2010 no money in 2011

00:54:04.940 --> 00:54:08.780
<v Ivan>it appears Here's that they made money in one quarter in 2012.

00:54:09.160 --> 00:54:10.040
<v Sam>AOL, you're talking.

00:54:10.720 --> 00:54:11.220
<v Ivan>Yes. No.

00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:14.380
<v Sam>In 2012? They were still around in 2012?

00:54:15.520 --> 00:54:18.220
<v Ivan>Yeah, they were still around. They were AOL Time Warner. Remember,

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.620
<v Ivan>they had merged, and then there was a complete disaster, and the market cap crashed.

00:54:22.080 --> 00:54:24.860
<v Ivan>And that's, I think, the only reason why they made money is because they had

00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:26.140
<v Ivan>merged with AOL Time Warner.

00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:32.040
<v Sam>Well, I was going to say, so Time Warner made money, and they just had AOL in the name now.

00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:35.060
<v Ivan>Correct. Well, yes. Yes.

00:54:35.060 --> 00:54:39.800
<v Sam>Like, when you were talking about AOL making money, I presume you meant pre-merger.

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.200
<v Ivan>Well, but they bought Time Warner. They bought Time Warner!

00:54:45.640 --> 00:54:47.220
<v Sam>Yeah, I guess so.

00:54:48.020 --> 00:54:50.020
<v Ivan>You know, they bought fucking Time Warner!

00:54:53.530 --> 00:55:01.370
<v Sam>Anyway no i was gonna say yes yes nvidia correct me if i'm wrong they're big

00:55:01.370 --> 00:55:04.330
<v Sam>money makers graphic cards right it's.

00:55:04.330 --> 00:55:06.970
<v Ivan>Not graphics cards anymore it's the gpus.

00:55:06.970 --> 00:55:14.270
<v Sam>Well no no well yes gpu graphic processor unit well okay fine yeah but.

00:55:14.270 --> 00:55:18.950
<v Ivan>It's not a card we're not they're not shipping out fucking cards they're shipping chips.

00:55:18.950 --> 00:55:24.310
<v Sam>Well not even well chips and like big units that use the the chips, all kinds of stuff.

00:55:24.570 --> 00:55:28.910
<v Sam>But here's the thing.

00:55:28.970 --> 00:55:31.470
<v Ivan>Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. Let me correct you on something.

00:55:31.590 --> 00:55:31.790
<v Sam>Yes.

00:55:31.890 --> 00:55:35.330
<v Ivan>Because a lot of people have their own hardware which they're integrating this in.

00:55:35.430 --> 00:55:36.310
<v Sam>Yes, of course, of course.

00:55:36.430 --> 00:55:40.470
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not, they will ship those, but the reality is that

00:55:40.470 --> 00:55:45.110
<v Ivan>a lot of the demand, including my employer, is they have an infrastructure that they had created.

00:55:45.310 --> 00:55:47.990
<v Ivan>And Chipsa, they use those for that purpose, yes.

00:55:48.690 --> 00:55:53.110
<v Sam>Okay, okay. But here's the thing that I was going to, The point of my question

00:55:53.110 --> 00:56:00.290
<v Sam>was, isn't the demand for those things being driven in its own bubble by two

00:56:00.290 --> 00:56:03.310
<v Sam>things, first crypto and second AI?

00:56:03.550 --> 00:56:06.030
<v Sam>Those are the big uses of these things, right?

00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:10.130
<v Ivan>Well, crypto was the big one at first, right? And that had been.

00:56:10.290 --> 00:56:14.850
<v Sam>But crypto, that's kind of going down, but AI is going up, right? Right.

00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:20.780
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah. But crypto, you know, wasn't a driver of this kind of valuation.

00:56:21.100 --> 00:56:28.540
<v Ivan>OK, sure. I mean, crypto had had been something that that had made NVIDIA definitely grow over years.

00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:34.440
<v Sam>Well, well, people were buying tens of thousands of these to set up crypto farms and stuff.

00:56:34.620 --> 00:56:38.480
<v Ivan>Yeah. Of course, it's become less profitable to do that.

00:56:38.620 --> 00:56:42.020
<v Sam>That's no longer lucrative in the same way that it was. Yes.

00:56:42.020 --> 00:56:45.020
<v Ivan>It's not but but but for a while there.

00:56:45.020 --> 00:56:51.220
<v Sam>Was a big you know people were going out and building huge data centers of gpus

00:56:51.220 --> 00:56:53.180
<v Sam>out in the middle of nowhere.

00:56:53.180 --> 00:56:57.340
<v Ivan>How was it even data centers they were fucking stuffing them they're trying

00:56:57.340 --> 00:57:01.680
<v Ivan>to find it would find they would find the corner of the earth that they could

00:57:01.680 --> 00:57:07.740
<v Ivan>find the cheapest electrical that they could that would stick these things over there yes yes Yes.

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.440
<v Sam>And then shove it full of these things. Yes.

00:57:10.560 --> 00:57:16.040
<v Ivan>Right. Yeah. Literally in literally in like trailers and closets. Yes.

00:57:16.220 --> 00:57:24.100
<v Sam>Yes. And yes. And a whole range of them. But the point was there was a bubble because of that.

00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.860
<v Sam>And now it seems like the, the searches on people are doing the same thing in

00:57:29.860 --> 00:57:34.620
<v Sam>this land rush over AI that uses the same kind of chips that's coming from Nvidia.

00:57:34.620 --> 00:57:37.600
<v Ivan>Nvidia well i guess the question is whether the ai

00:57:37.600 --> 00:57:40.680
<v Ivan>land rush is real well here's one thing right now the

00:57:40.680 --> 00:57:43.780
<v Ivan>ai land rush is making money okay that's

00:57:43.780 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Ivan>the one thing unlike a whole bunch of land rushes that we did before okay like

00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:54.340
<v Ivan>like you know the real estate one didn't make money okay the the that internet

00:57:54.340 --> 00:58:01.900
<v Ivan>one where we had the web vans in a world uh the the buy.coms of the world what the

00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:08.080
<v Ivan>fuck i gotta think of another one that was famous that went away i don't know which you know,

00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.860
<v Ivan>Web van was a big one. That one was a big disaster.

00:58:12.060 --> 00:58:14.940
<v Ivan>Of course, that turned out. It's just most of those, remember,

00:58:15.180 --> 00:58:17.500
<v Ivan>it wasn't that they were shit. They were just too early.

00:58:17.980 --> 00:58:21.860
<v Sam>There were a bunch that were too early. And that's actually something that if

00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:25.620
<v Sam>you look back a few hundred years, this has played out in many industries where

00:58:25.620 --> 00:58:30.140
<v Sam>the first innovator in the industry goes out and builds the infrastructure,

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.740
<v Sam>then goes bankrupt because the infrastructure costs so much.

00:58:33.740 --> 00:58:38.380
<v Sam>and then new companies come in utilizing the infrastructure that was built by

00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:41.940
<v Sam>the first players at a cheaper price and then they are huge successes.

00:58:42.240 --> 00:58:47.060
<v Ivan>Listen, from that implosion, okay, all right, a company I do a lot of business

00:58:47.060 --> 00:58:52.040
<v Ivan>with, America Mobile from Mexico, they picked up, so a bunch of American companies

00:58:52.040 --> 00:58:53.720
<v Ivan>had invested in all this fiber.

00:58:53.860 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Ivan>Well, one of the companies, Global Crossing, for example, do you remember,

00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:57.860
<v Ivan>does that name ring a bell?

00:58:58.040 --> 00:58:59.000
<v Sam>It rings a bell.

00:58:59.200 --> 00:59:03.520
<v Ivan>There was a company that was laying fiber all over the world and all the fiber went

00:59:03.740 --> 00:59:06.520
<v Ivan>dark and they got bought listen this guy from america mobile

00:59:06.520 --> 00:59:09.420
<v Ivan>bought global crossing bought all these telcos that

00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:12.420
<v Ivan>all these people u.s companies european had

00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Ivan>spent tens hundreds of billions of dollars at

00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:22.300
<v Ivan>cents on the dollar and is now minting you know minting money off of it basically

00:59:22.300 --> 00:59:26.980
<v Ivan>because it was built that way but i guess that listen the one thing with ai

00:59:26.980 --> 00:59:30.100
<v Ivan>and what we're talking about is i know we got this land rush this goes back

00:59:30.100 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Ivan>we're going to talk about ai again shit well is ai I real or not.

00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:39.080
<v Sam>It keeps coming up. It's all, it's almost like Donald Trump keeps coming up.

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:44.460
<v Ivan>Fuck keeps coming up. Look, I do think that a lot of the stuff that's happening,

00:59:44.520 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Ivan>there is a land rush and there's probably going to be a, uh,

00:59:48.110 --> 00:59:53.150
<v Ivan>an adjustment at some point. Now the one, but the key question is right now,

00:59:53.330 --> 00:59:55.990
<v Ivan>look, are you paying, are you paying for vapor?

00:59:56.210 --> 00:59:59.690
<v Ivan>Are you paying for vapor right now? The answer is no. Could that,

00:59:59.690 --> 01:00:04.650
<v Ivan>could that demand fall off because so much right now there's,

01:00:04.650 --> 01:00:06.530
<v Ivan>there's such a big bubble on it. Yes.

01:00:06.670 --> 01:00:11.490
<v Sam>Well, I mean, this is, this is so common that there are cartoons on the cycle, right?

01:00:11.610 --> 01:00:17.010
<v Sam>There's always a hype cycle where people get super, super excited of something.

01:00:17.070 --> 01:00:21.270
<v Sam>It like it rises and rises and everybody thinks it's a great new thing.

01:00:21.350 --> 01:00:27.270
<v Sam>And then reality sort of hits in that. It's not living up to all of the hype.

01:00:27.390 --> 01:00:31.830
<v Sam>Things fall back down a little bit and then reality catches up.

01:00:32.070 --> 01:00:36.010
<v Ivan>But I'm going to tell you something. I think I've got to tell you something.

01:00:36.170 --> 01:00:39.930
<v Ivan>I'm going to give you my, my, listen, I don't think, I think that in a lot of

01:00:39.930 --> 01:00:41.670
<v Ivan>things with it's like the.com.

01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:46.290
<v Sam>The.com bubble is a perfect example, right? There was the big pop,

01:00:46.530 --> 01:00:48.490
<v Sam>and then it went down for a little while.

01:00:48.630 --> 01:00:54.590
<v Sam>And right now, the stuff that came out of that, when it re-rose later,

01:00:54.870 --> 01:00:59.510
<v Sam>and it took a while, but Eclipse is anything we had during the dot-com bubble.

01:01:00.190 --> 01:01:04.490
<v Sam>The entire world is dot-com now, essentially.

01:01:05.050 --> 01:01:06.350
<v Ivan>Basically, yes. Yeah.

01:01:06.530 --> 01:01:12.290
<v Sam>And so I remember after the dot-com bubble burst, when I worked at Merrill Lynch,

01:01:12.430 --> 01:01:16.410
<v Sam>and And they started getting rid of their web divisions and stuff, saying, we told you so.

01:01:16.470 --> 01:01:18.750
<v Sam>We told you this was all nonsense and it was going away.

01:01:19.330 --> 01:01:24.870
<v Sam>And so we don't need the web people anymore. We'll go back to buying TV ads, whatever.

01:01:26.030 --> 01:01:33.430
<v Sam>But wait a few years and everything's online. Everything is online.

01:01:33.690 --> 01:01:39.030
<v Ivan>But look, listen, we've been playing around with some of this AI shit on here.

01:01:39.150 --> 01:01:42.590
<v Ivan>And I've seen, you know, you've talked about some of the stuff that you've been able to do.

01:01:42.830 --> 01:01:45.610
<v Ivan>And I've seen a whole bunch of this stuff that a lot of people have been able

01:01:45.610 --> 01:01:47.870
<v Ivan>to do, even with just the stuff in its infancy.

01:01:48.050 --> 01:01:52.770
<v Ivan>And I got to tell you, okay, it's not hype. It's not bullshit.

01:01:53.210 --> 01:01:58.090
<v Sam>But at the moment, but like every time I use chat GPT right now,

01:01:58.150 --> 01:02:00.470
<v Sam>doesn't it lose money for open AI?

01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:07.370
<v Ivan>I don't know. It's a good question. But I don't know. But if you're a buyer of NVIDIA, who cares?

01:02:09.050 --> 01:02:12.090
<v Ivan>But I'm like, fuck them. I don't care.

01:02:13.230 --> 01:02:17.210
<v Ivan>OK, you know, I mean, that's the thing. I think that the people that are,

01:02:17.290 --> 01:02:23.010
<v Ivan>you know, obviously a number of people are monetizing it around that and building

01:02:23.010 --> 01:02:26.790
<v Ivan>certain things around it and extracting value out of it.

01:02:28.560 --> 01:02:32.860
<v Ivan>I think, look, just the biggest difference between back then and now,

01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:38.060
<v Ivan>I don't know because about the financials on the company itself,

01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:44.000
<v Ivan>but all the big players that are around it, that are investing in it are profitable entities. Okay.

01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:50.760
<v Ivan>And so it's unlike that moment back then where basically nobody was making money.

01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:57.140
<v Ivan>And there was like, you know, the valuations were all just based on, on, on, I mean.

01:02:57.180 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Sam>Like to, to avoid talking about either of our companies. Yeah.

01:03:00.980 --> 01:03:01.800
<v Ivan>It's a good idea.

01:03:02.040 --> 01:03:04.460
<v Sam>Apple announced a whole bunch of AI stuff, right?

01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.140
<v Ivan>Yeah. Let's talk about Apple. There you go. Yes.

01:03:08.080 --> 01:03:13.140
<v Sam>Let's talk about Apple. But like, this is going to cost them a shitload of money.

01:03:13.600 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Sam>And Apple has a lot of money to burn, but, but does, but will.

01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:24.200
<v Ivan>What's a few billion, what's a few billion down the fucking, you know, down the pike.

01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Sam>Well, and that, and that's the big question though, in the end,

01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.680
<v Sam>is that money down the toilet because it doesn't end up going anywhere.

01:03:32.020 --> 01:03:36.780
<v Ivan>Can I tell you something? One thing that I've realized that we had this discussion,

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:45.040
<v Ivan>online about about how smart intelligent assistants are okay and and you know

01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:50.100
<v Ivan>one thing is that we had beat up on siri a lot right let me tell you something

01:03:50.100 --> 01:03:56.440
<v Ivan>i started going because i think a while back i backed off of asking stuff you.

01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:57.900
<v Sam>Mentioned this a few episodes ago.

01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:03.400
<v Ivan>No no no but but this is like even more after that i did but we we did one where

01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.960
<v Ivan>i think the The question was related to the, you know, who won the presidential

01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.360
<v Ivan>election and we had that thing.

01:04:08.700 --> 01:04:13.280
<v Sam>No, no. But you talked recently about how much better Syria has gotten recently.

01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.600
<v Ivan>No, no, no. But this was just based on stuff I read. Okay.

01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.680
<v Ivan>Now I'm telling you that I started asking it.

01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:26.160
<v Ivan>Okay. So after the last time we talked about it, I just started asking it more questions.

01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Ivan>And I started getting a lot more correct answers. Okay.

01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:35.740
<v Ivan>Than I expected on some shit. And I'm realizing, wait a minute, what the fuck?

01:04:35.780 --> 01:04:39.220
<v Ivan>This thing is actually, you know, shit that it failed miserably before.

01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:46.660
<v Ivan>It's answering correctly on the first try. I'm not being thrown off into some stupid bullshit.

01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:52.520
<v Sam>And of course, part of what they announced last week was that the next version

01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:56.600
<v Sam>of iOS and Mac OS that's coming out this fall will, of course,

01:04:56.600 --> 01:04:58.780
<v Sam>double and triple down on all the AI stuff.

01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:03.280
<v Sam>All kinds of new AI features are included, including some integration with chat GPT.

01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:07.760
<v Ivan>Well, and good news for Apple is that, I don't know, I guess I think,

01:05:07.820 --> 01:05:13.500
<v Ivan>who was it? dell ship oh we've shipped our new ai laptops apparently they're

01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:17.420
<v Ivan>crap as you would expect that they're just utter crap.

01:05:17.420 --> 01:05:23.040
<v Sam>Well so and this is the whole question of like you know your point on nvidia

01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:26.440
<v Sam>and some of these other things are we having another bubble that's going to

01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Sam>burst part of it is like okay well nvidia is actually making money unlike the

01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.440
<v Sam>dot-com boom but sure Like for, again,

01:05:35.640 --> 01:05:43.660
<v Sam>to me, the next question down is, are they making lots of money based on a market

01:05:43.660 --> 01:05:47.160
<v Sam>that itself is a bubble that will burst at some point?

01:05:47.380 --> 01:05:51.780
<v Sam>And I don't know. Like, I feel like this AI stuff, like I said,

01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:57.280
<v Sam>I think that the current hype is a little bit overboard. board.

01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:05.080
<v Sam>However, I think like all of these other technologies, it's going to, there'll be a crest.

01:06:05.540 --> 01:06:09.640
<v Sam>People will be disappointed by it for a while. And then in the background,

01:06:09.740 --> 01:06:13.340
<v Sam>it will continue to develop and get better and better and better.

01:06:13.640 --> 01:06:19.260
<v Sam>And when we get five, 10 years down the road, maybe not even that long, we will stop.

01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Sam>We will eventually have stuff that lives up to the initial hype it's just it'll be a second wave.

01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:31.100
<v Ivan>By the way open ai is not you know yeah that's what i thought open ai is private

01:06:31.100 --> 01:06:33.340
<v Ivan>we have no idea what their financials are oh.

01:06:33.340 --> 01:06:40.420
<v Sam>I know i know it's it's private and they've got this weird non-profit private profit hybrid thing.

01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:45.000
<v Ivan>Right but they haven't even published but but but you know some private companies

01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.020
<v Ivan>like that do publish some stuff,

01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:51.480
<v Ivan>In terms of financials, for whatever reasons that they have to sometimes,

01:06:51.660 --> 01:06:53.140
<v Ivan>and now they haven't published anything.

01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.460
<v Ivan>So we have no idea about really their revenues. When you ask whether they're

01:06:57.460 --> 01:07:02.180
<v Ivan>making money or losing money on everyone, there really is no good way to tell.

01:07:02.180 --> 01:07:05.560
<v Sam>But, and of course that whole thing with their CEO,

01:07:05.660 --> 01:07:10.060
<v Sam>like being fired and then being brought back and all that was all related to

01:07:10.060 --> 01:07:14.080
<v Sam>the interrelationship between the nonprofit that owns it and the profit that's

01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:17.700
<v Sam>owned by it and the relationships it has with other companies.

01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.820
<v Sam>And there's all kinds of craziness going on there. I like, yeah,

01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:26.740
<v Sam>I kind of wish it was a public company because I think there's a lot of like

01:07:26.740 --> 01:07:32.700
<v Sam>weird shit going on inside there that I think would be interesting to know. But like, I.

01:07:32.700 --> 01:07:36.380
<v Ivan>Think there's a lot of competition coming in the pike too.

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:40.260
<v Sam>Oh, there is. There are a lot of other places that are doing stuff right now.

01:07:40.540 --> 01:07:43.600
<v Sam>And anybody who's not doing anything right now,

01:07:43.740 --> 01:07:48.780
<v Sam>like, you know, Apple's doing a partner with chat GPT in addition to everything

01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:53.360
<v Sam>else they're doing, because like everyone else, there's this big fear of missing

01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:55.960
<v Sam>out thing. Like this is the big new thing.

01:07:56.060 --> 01:08:00.060
<v Sam>That's finally going to be the big growth thing that, you know,

01:08:00.080 --> 01:08:04.800
<v Sam>we've been talking for for years about how tech got boring and how like,

01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:09.680
<v Sam>you know, we had the, the iPhone and the iPad and it revolutionized everything.

01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.460
<v Sam>But then for quite a while now, it's been sort of like, yeah,

01:08:12.540 --> 01:08:16.140
<v Sam>there's, there's the newest update to the iPhone it's blah.

01:08:16.320 --> 01:08:21.040
<v Sam>And, and now the question that all of these companies are doing is,

01:08:21.100 --> 01:08:26.060
<v Sam>is this finally the actual next big thing that's going to revolutionize the

01:08:26.060 --> 01:08:30.800
<v Sam>the world and make the, you know, forget about billionaires and a hundred billionaires

01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Sam>is one of these going to make the first trillionaire, you know?

01:08:34.690 --> 01:08:38.030
<v Ivan>Hopefully we'll tax them so that we don't. Okay. That's my hope.

01:08:38.370 --> 01:08:41.650
<v Sam>Yeah. Good luck with that. They'll just move to the moon.

01:08:44.290 --> 01:08:46.410
<v Ivan>Well, they can stay over there anyway.

01:08:47.410 --> 01:08:52.170
<v Sam>No, Elon's going, Elon's going to Mars, not the moon. So, you know, perfect.

01:08:52.310 --> 01:08:55.510
<v Ivan>Beautiful. He can stay over there too. He doesn't have to come back. It's fine.

01:08:55.650 --> 01:08:58.730
<v Ivan>Okay. I will pay him the one way ticket to it.

01:08:58.730 --> 01:09:01.610
<v Ivan>One thing, it's just that we,

01:09:01.690 --> 01:09:09.990
<v Ivan>the question I have about systems like this is what is the change that it's

01:09:09.990 --> 01:09:14.550
<v Ivan>going to instill in how we live and work, okay?

01:09:14.550 --> 01:09:19.410
<v Ivan>OK, because if you think about 60, 70 years ago, well, how an office environment

01:09:19.410 --> 01:09:26.530
<v Ivan>worked, OK, completely different from what the heck it was in the 90s, 2000s.

01:09:26.530 --> 01:09:34.230
<v Ivan>And then now, OK, even like right now, where we went from these offices that

01:09:34.230 --> 01:09:38.930
<v Ivan>were populated by all of these people that were doing administrative work,

01:09:39.170 --> 01:09:43.950
<v Ivan>you know, paper shuffling, organizing, collating, pushing, you know, record keeping.

01:09:44.110 --> 01:09:48.970
<v Ivan>That was all manual. That was, look, the job of record keeping and accurate record keeping.

01:09:49.110 --> 01:09:54.330
<v Sam>There were file cabinets everywhere. everywhere even even when i first started

01:09:54.330 --> 01:09:56.630
<v Sam>in offices there were file cabinets everywhere.

01:09:56.630 --> 01:10:02.490
<v Ivan>There were file cabinets everywhere and but sam i still remember like banks

01:10:02.490 --> 01:10:06.830
<v Ivan>how they kept track of your fucking money back then it was crazy you had these

01:10:06.830 --> 01:10:11.650
<v Ivan>fucking books yeah you had this passbook that you would go over there and they

01:10:11.650 --> 01:10:16.190
<v Ivan>would print the balance on your fucking passbook of what the the hell you had?

01:10:16.450 --> 01:10:22.570
<v Ivan>And they had these these, you know, big machines in which they would do it on

01:10:22.570 --> 01:10:29.270
<v Ivan>and I don't like what the, you know, I, it was just how the hell they kept track and they sent,

01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.940
<v Ivan>Statements, you know, one thing I learned about while I worked at Kodak,

01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:39.120
<v Ivan>for example, is that credit card processing, international credit card processing.

01:10:39.200 --> 01:10:41.860
<v Ivan>I learned about this about American Express because I talked to some of the

01:10:41.860 --> 01:10:43.700
<v Ivan>people that did this for American Express.

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.400
<v Ivan>But think about if you were in Argentina, which was a country where most of

01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:51.140
<v Ivan>these people were based out of, you spent money on an American Express card there.

01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:55.460
<v Ivan>The slips would go first from there. They would go to a bank.

01:10:55.740 --> 01:10:58.800
<v Ivan>They would go to American Express and they got them in the office.

01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:03.240
<v Ivan>And then over there, they would first, they would, they have these machines

01:11:03.240 --> 01:11:08.440
<v Ivan>that would, that would microfilm all of those receipts every day.

01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.480
<v Ivan>Okay. They would put them on a microphone.

01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:14.760
<v Ivan>They would load that microfilm on a plane and send it to New York. Okay.

01:11:15.240 --> 01:11:16.900
<v Ivan>Then in New York. Yeah.

01:11:16.940 --> 01:11:17.160
<v Sam>Okay.

01:11:17.320 --> 01:11:22.180
<v Ivan>A whole bunch of people in front of an IBM mainframe started keying away each

01:11:22.180 --> 01:11:23.800
<v Ivan>one of these fucking transactions.

01:11:24.120 --> 01:11:30.280
<v Ivan>Okay. that you did internationally that arrived in a microfilm in order to process

01:11:30.280 --> 01:11:31.220
<v Ivan>a credit card transaction.

01:11:31.500 --> 01:11:35.900
<v Ivan>This could take days to do this right now.

01:11:36.120 --> 01:11:40.580
<v Ivan>Whereas right now, I go down there, I fuck with Apple Pay, I just tap a fucking

01:11:40.580 --> 01:11:45.840
<v Ivan>thing and it immediately dings my account in one second.

01:11:46.140 --> 01:11:48.140
<v Ivan>So we've moved from that.

01:11:48.320 --> 01:11:51.260
<v Sam>And they're finally getting rid of some of the vestiges of that too.

01:11:51.260 --> 01:11:55.580
<v Sam>Like, you know, it used to be several days to clear a stock transaction or whatever.

01:11:56.440 --> 01:12:00.380
<v Ivan>Oh, shit. Now we're like one day down to one day.

01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:05.940
<v Sam>Yeah. And, and even one day is like, come on, like you, you could do that in seconds. Come on.

01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:10.560
<v Ivan>Yeah. It should be instant. So, so the one thing is, you know,

01:12:10.580 --> 01:12:13.580
<v Ivan>we went from, from all that manual work to,

01:12:14.020 --> 01:12:22.320
<v Ivan>into an electronic era, okay, at first, and how this will transform that as well.

01:12:22.440 --> 01:12:25.380
<v Ivan>Because I think, you know, we arrived at this era of the ERP,

01:12:25.440 --> 01:12:30.420
<v Ivan>of the mainframe computer, of all of these things, and how, and I think that

01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:34.560
<v Ivan>this is a changer of what the next evolution of work is going to be.

01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:38.060
<v Ivan>I really think, because of a lot of the drawbacks that we've talked about,

01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.860
<v Ivan>no, I keep looking at my work, and I realize it's like how I've been doing some

01:12:42.860 --> 01:12:44.720
<v Ivan>PowerPoint points lies at using the AI.

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.820
<v Ivan>Listen, this thing cannot replace me yet.

01:12:47.860 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Ivan>It's not even close and it may be decades before it is. It's the same problem

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.360
<v Ivan>that they've got with making a car make a fucking left turn on its own.

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Sam>But it can save you time.

01:12:57.140 --> 01:13:00.420
<v Ivan>It can save you time. It can make you work faster.

01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:05.260
<v Ivan>It can make you more efficient. It can make things happen that it would take

01:13:05.260 --> 01:13:10.640
<v Ivan>forever ever, 20, 30 years ago, that even like now take me a long time.

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.000
<v Ivan>I, you know, for certain things that I have to do, I have to go through several

01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:20.000
<v Ivan>systems, one that does this, one that does this, the other one that does this,

01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:21.860
<v Ivan>integrate, do whatever what now.

01:13:22.060 --> 01:13:27.920
<v Ivan>And I've seen like some of these AI, real working AI, you know,

01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.120
<v Ivan>models that I've seen now.

01:13:30.980 --> 01:13:34.100
<v Ivan>automate a whole bunch of these things. Okay. When they're implemented properly,

01:13:34.440 --> 01:13:36.460
<v Ivan>not, you know, not this, not some of this bullshit.

01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:37.040
<v Sam>Right.

01:13:37.180 --> 01:13:39.700
<v Ivan>You know what I'm looking at? I'm like, shit. I mean, you know.

01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:43.040
<v Sam>It's, I'll get, I'll give you another example of that.

01:13:43.240 --> 01:13:47.020
<v Sam>You know, I've mentioned before that for election graphs, I want to do this

01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:50.420
<v Sam>modeling that takes into account the amount of time told the election, et cetera.

01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.940
<v Sam>I'm taking next week off to do it. But one of the prep things that I need to

01:13:54.940 --> 01:14:02.000
<v Sam>do is just transform the data that I had manually in spreadsheets in 2008 and

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:09.620
<v Sam>2012 into the same format that I want to have it that matches what I've used in 2016 onward,

01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:13.200
<v Sam>so that I can do my calculations and stuff based on that.

01:14:13.360 --> 01:14:18.920
<v Sam>And so I was thinking about like, okay, how would I do this transformation?

01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Sam>Because it's rote stuff. It's very, you know it's it's just copy and paste and

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.420
<v Sam>change the format and blah blah blah yes.

01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:28.240
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh-huh.

01:14:28.240 --> 01:14:33.460
<v Sam>It's all that kind of stuff and what i and at one point i'm like thinking do

01:14:33.460 --> 01:14:38.160
<v Sam>i want to export this and then write a script and do this and do that or do

01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:41.520
<v Sam>i want to copy and paste here and then export in excel what do i want to do

01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.820
<v Sam>and then like you know let me just give chat gpt a shot.

01:14:46.080 --> 01:14:46.340
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:14:46.400 --> 01:14:55.960
<v Sam>So I just said, I've got this Excel spreadsheet and I want to re I want to transform

01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:00.100
<v Sam>this into this other format in this way. I want these columns.

01:15:00.280 --> 01:15:03.580
<v Sam>I want to throw, I want to throw out everything else. I only care about these

01:15:03.580 --> 01:15:05.420
<v Sam>columns and I want it in this format.

01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.680
<v Sam>And I said that, and then I copy and pasted the cells I cared about from Excel

01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:14.900
<v Sam>directly into chat GPT, Just control C, control V, I hit return,

01:15:15.160 --> 01:15:18.000
<v Sam>and it spit out exactly what I fucking wanted.

01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:21.580
<v Sam>You know, I mean.

01:15:21.660 --> 01:15:24.580
<v Ivan>That's, that's a massive time saver.

01:15:24.780 --> 01:15:28.600
<v Sam>And like, could I do it? Could I do it the old way? Yes.

01:15:28.700 --> 01:15:28.980
<v Ivan>Yes.

01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:30.820
<v Sam>Is this faster? Absolutely.

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.360
<v Ivan>Absolutely. And this is the shit that I look like right now.

01:15:35.420 --> 01:15:39.160
<v Ivan>I am helping quite a lot of people be trained right now on systems.

01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:44.540
<v Ivan>We actually brought a whole bunch of new, new people on our team and,

01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:49.580
<v Ivan>you know, shit. shit, I, well, I'm very good with systems, okay?

01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:52.340
<v Ivan>You know, it's what I've done. So I'm like, I already, you know,

01:15:53.040 --> 01:15:56.300
<v Ivan>I'm like, now everybody's like, yeah, Ivan knows how to fucking fix that problem.

01:15:56.480 --> 01:15:59.700
<v Ivan>Like, yeah, just ask him. So I'm doing a lot of that.

01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:04.820
<v Ivan>And I'm, I know, I know seeing some of those things that you were talking about

01:16:04.820 --> 01:16:05.760
<v Ivan>right now with that transformation.

01:16:06.180 --> 01:16:12.200
<v Ivan>Shit, man, with proper use of AI, we could automate a lot of this.

01:16:12.280 --> 01:16:15.840
<v Ivan>So this new salesperson comes in and isn't really dealing with this

01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.600
<v Ivan>bullshit that i'm having to teach them right now okay some of it anyway it just

01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:27.700
<v Ivan>focused on selling so anyway all right so that's it so we wound up back at ai again we.

01:16:27.700 --> 01:16:30.420
<v Sam>Went and i i want i want to take us back to your

01:16:30.420 --> 01:16:33.800
<v Sam>original question before we move on to mine which is

01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:38.500
<v Sam>you you we very quickly went from you saying is there a bubble overall to nvidia

01:16:38.500 --> 01:16:41.520
<v Sam>specifically and then we talked

01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:50.440
<v Sam>about ai but like overall market wise economy wise are we in a bubble.

01:16:50.440 --> 01:16:56.700
<v Ivan>Oh the the numbers don't the numbers don't support that if you look at the multipliers

01:16:56.700 --> 01:17:02.080
<v Ivan>of the s&amp;p 500 and any of those like right now based on what's going on no i

01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:06.020
<v Ivan>mean you look at the absolute valuations people are like oh my god but But, you know,

01:17:06.140 --> 01:17:09.680
<v Ivan>it's not now it isn't it isn't anywhere.

01:17:09.900 --> 01:17:15.260
<v Ivan>None of the data would indicate to you that that is what is going on right now.

01:17:15.320 --> 01:17:19.080
<v Ivan>We're just getting a lot of growth and we're getting a lot of growth because

01:17:19.080 --> 01:17:22.940
<v Ivan>I know it's difficult to believe.

01:17:23.040 --> 01:17:31.600
<v Ivan>But once again, we've had me remember my proper economics education.

01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:39.400
<v Ivan>You see, you're having, like, instead of these fiscal stimulus that are in the

01:17:39.400 --> 01:17:45.020
<v Ivan>economy, which instead of trickle-down tax cuts and whatnot,

01:17:45.340 --> 01:17:51.620
<v Ivan>which is what we've had before, what we've had is actual, you know,

01:17:51.660 --> 01:17:58.140
<v Ivan>macro policy, which targeted investments in certain areas, okay? And...

01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.100
<v Ivan>You know everybody and you know one of the clips from the

01:18:03.100 --> 01:18:06.140
<v Ivan>kentucky fried movie if you looked at it was a

01:18:06.140 --> 01:18:10.000
<v Ivan>was a making fun of a point counterpoint you

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:13.240
<v Ivan>know one of these like it used to be on tv they would show like like

01:18:13.240 --> 01:18:16.680
<v Ivan>a conservative and a liberal argued about something and

01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.940
<v Ivan>the whole fucking argument was the same bullshit argument

01:18:19.940 --> 01:18:23.580
<v Ivan>the republicans are having right now on on

01:18:23.580 --> 01:18:26.660
<v Ivan>biden's fiscal stimulus and the and

01:18:26.660 --> 01:18:30.520
<v Ivan>inflation okay you know any programs

01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.040
<v Ivan>that give money to the poor causing inflation don't

01:18:34.040 --> 01:18:36.860
<v Ivan>you understand i'm like fuck man it's the same fucking horse shit

01:18:36.860 --> 01:18:39.780
<v Ivan>story i've been listening to that for the past 40

01:18:39.780 --> 01:18:43.120
<v Ivan>years but but biden what

01:18:43.120 --> 01:18:45.740
<v Ivan>he did with with the programs that he

01:18:45.740 --> 01:18:49.280
<v Ivan>put in with infrastructure and the inflation reduction act okay

01:18:49.280 --> 01:18:53.040
<v Ivan>yeah it's created jobs real jobs

01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:56.160
<v Ivan>not jobs for like you know not like

01:18:56.160 --> 01:18:59.400
<v Ivan>what happened like in the bush era okay and

01:18:59.400 --> 01:19:04.560
<v Ivan>i'm talking bush's junior okay where we created a whole bunch of fucking mortgage

01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:10.500
<v Ivan>brokers okay right it's not you know they're not actually producing anything

01:19:10.500 --> 01:19:15.240
<v Ivan>no we're making houses we're doing financial you know if i you know financial

01:19:15.240 --> 01:19:19.320
<v Ivan>hocus pocus you know we weren't we weren't having industrial jobs.

01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:25.420
<v Ivan>Donald Trump talked about bringing back manufacturing jobs. He'll bring back dick.

01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.460
<v Sam>But tariffs, Yvonne. Tariffs.

01:19:29.820 --> 01:19:35.560
<v Ivan>Oh, the tariffs, yes. And so now his proposal, of course, it seems the ones,

01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:39.680
<v Ivan>well, whatever the last bullshit that he spewed was that we're going to get

01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.840
<v Ivan>rid of all income taxes and we're going to make it all tariffs.

01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:48.440
<v Ivan>Which, of course, would be the most insanely regressive tax regime ever.

01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:54.060
<v Sam>He still doesn't understand that it's not the other countries that pay tariffs.

01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:56.520
<v Ivan>Oh, yes, it's your fucking consumers!

01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:58.740
<v Sam>Anyway, anyway.

01:19:58.900 --> 01:20:03.320
<v Ivan>I mean, but the thing is that you've had this, you know,

01:20:04.470 --> 01:20:10.810
<v Ivan>You know, you've had these stimulus that targeted certain areas of the economy

01:20:10.810 --> 01:20:15.350
<v Ivan>specifically in order to promote growth instead of what we've had,

01:20:15.430 --> 01:20:18.730
<v Ivan>unfortunately, with Republicans over the last 30,

01:20:18.850 --> 01:20:22.570
<v Ivan>40 years have been their orthodoxy, which has been to just, oh,

01:20:22.630 --> 01:20:26.970
<v Ivan>we'll just cut taxes and the rich will spend. And no, they haven't.

01:20:27.190 --> 01:20:29.450
<v Ivan>No, they haven't. They haven't been investing in shit.

01:20:29.770 --> 01:20:32.630
<v Ivan>They've just been hoarding money. They've just becoming billionaires.

01:20:32.630 --> 01:20:36.910
<v Ivan>They've been buying mega yachts and, you know, more expensive houses and shit and whatnot.

01:20:37.230 --> 01:20:40.150
<v Ivan>Not really, you know, investing in the economy.

01:20:40.630 --> 01:20:42.890
<v Ivan>And so, you know, you.

01:20:43.530 --> 01:20:45.370
<v Sam>Somebody has to build those yachts, Yvonne.

01:20:46.050 --> 01:20:49.290
<v Ivan>That's true. That is true. I will grant you that.

01:20:49.590 --> 01:20:52.970
<v Ivan>But most of the stuff that they're doing is just, you know, unfortunately,

01:20:53.110 --> 01:20:58.270
<v Ivan>they're not buying enough yachts to make the same stimulus that,

01:20:58.290 --> 01:21:00.430
<v Ivan>say, shifting our economy.

01:21:00.430 --> 01:21:05.830
<v Ivan>Building more sustainable energy production in the U.S.,

01:21:05.830 --> 01:21:09.150
<v Ivan>manufacturing chips in the U.S.,

01:21:09.150 --> 01:21:14.790
<v Ivan>and moving away from where there is this supply chain rebalancing that is happening

01:21:14.790 --> 01:21:20.230
<v Ivan>across the world where people are nearshoring a whole bunch of stuff that they

01:21:20.230 --> 01:21:21.190
<v Ivan>had completely offshored,

01:21:21.270 --> 01:21:24.630
<v Ivan>realizing that there are risks in being completely offshored,

01:21:24.730 --> 01:21:26.170
<v Ivan>which should have been obvious.

01:21:26.170 --> 01:21:28.390
<v Ivan>But for whatever the hell reason, I don't.

01:21:28.570 --> 01:21:33.990
<v Ivan>Sometimes I I still remember that we had when I was working at Rico,

01:21:34.110 --> 01:21:40.090
<v Ivan>that when this tsunami that hit the Fukushima, you know, nuclear plant,

01:21:40.290 --> 01:21:46.430
<v Ivan>when that happened, we had this one factory and it was only made one factory

01:21:46.430 --> 01:21:50.630
<v Ivan>only that had this super critical part for all our printers.

01:21:50.670 --> 01:21:53.410
<v Ivan>And it was only made at this one damn place.

01:21:53.410 --> 01:21:57.710
<v Sam>Well, you bring up several different risks. There's the, you know,

01:21:57.710 --> 01:21:58.990
<v Sam>having everything offshore.

01:21:59.130 --> 01:22:03.310
<v Sam>There's also single sourcing, which is its own risk.

01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:07.450
<v Sam>And also just the risk of the whole just-in-time philosophy as well.

01:22:07.630 --> 01:22:11.630
<v Sam>Right. That also relies on a bunch of assumptions of things working smoothly.

01:22:11.890 --> 01:22:17.290
<v Sam>And as long as it works smoothly, great. If something gets disrupted, you're screwed.

01:22:17.670 --> 01:22:19.990
<v Ivan>You're screwed. And so, you know,

01:22:20.050 --> 01:22:27.030
<v Ivan>definitely what has happened with this administration has definitely been,

01:22:28.970 --> 01:22:34.930
<v Ivan>It's given the economy lasting foundations for many years to come.

01:22:35.530 --> 01:22:39.690
<v Sam>Oh, I don't know. Once Donald wins, he can rip it all apart in a few days.

01:22:40.330 --> 01:22:43.550
<v Ivan>Well, you know, it's easier to destroy than to create. I will say that.

01:22:43.670 --> 01:22:44.050
<v Sam>Yeah.

01:22:44.110 --> 01:22:48.690
<v Ivan>Okay. The question is, of course, you know, I don't know. I don't even want

01:22:48.690 --> 01:22:51.670
<v Ivan>to talk about it. At one point, I thought I wanted to talk about it.

01:22:51.990 --> 01:22:55.770
<v Ivan>And I realize right now I just want to stick my head in the sand and I'm just, I'm just.

01:22:55.950 --> 01:22:58.250
<v Sam>The if Donald wins scenarios.

01:22:58.970 --> 01:23:01.830
<v Ivan>Yeah i i don't even want to i don't even want to i don't

01:23:01.830 --> 01:23:04.750
<v Ivan>even want to think about it i don't want to think about it i don't

01:23:04.750 --> 01:23:07.630
<v Ivan>want to fucking think about it i've i've i've thought about

01:23:07.630 --> 01:23:10.630
<v Ivan>them in all different ways you know really

01:23:10.630 --> 01:23:16.350
<v Ivan>you know there's all sorts of different scenarios that i that i that i've gone

01:23:16.350 --> 01:23:22.130
<v Ivan>through from like all none are none are really good some's less worse than than

01:23:22.130 --> 01:23:26.850
<v Ivan>others i mean the scenario that i still like is the one that i dreamed about

01:23:26.850 --> 01:23:29.210
<v Ivan>and And maybe, you know, we'll get into debate next week.

01:23:29.410 --> 01:23:31.690
<v Ivan>I dreamt that during the debate.

01:23:32.190 --> 01:23:34.430
<v Sam>Yeah. You mentioned he has a heart attack.

01:23:34.550 --> 01:23:38.230
<v Ivan>Yeah. I mentioned this, that he has a heart attack on stage.

01:23:38.670 --> 01:23:42.590
<v Sam>So I think this is a good moment to take our second break.

01:23:43.030 --> 01:23:46.830
<v Sam>And then hell, since you brought it up, we'll do politics for the end.

01:23:46.870 --> 01:23:49.870
<v Sam>And it won't be that long. We've only got like half an hour left.

01:23:50.090 --> 01:23:56.430
<v Sam>So we'll do miscellaneous politics, including some of the debate.

01:23:58.010 --> 01:24:03.630
<v Sam>the donald trump's vp selection process some other crap like that i don't know you.

01:24:03.630 --> 01:24:06.450
<v Ivan>Mean donald trump suck up auditions you mean.

01:24:06.450 --> 01:24:14.410
<v Sam>Yeah something like that anyway we we will be back with that just in a moment

01:24:14.410 --> 01:24:21.070
<v Sam>and since we're talking politics here comes the the election graphs break here you go Do.

01:24:21.070 --> 01:24:29.350
<v Break>You want to understand what is really going on with the presidential election cycle?

01:24:29.810 --> 01:24:33.670
<v Break>Then go to electiongraphs.com right away.

01:24:34.510 --> 01:24:38.790
<v Break>There you'll find charts and graphs covering the nomination processes in both

01:24:38.790 --> 01:24:42.450
<v Break>parties and the general election race for electoral college votes.

01:24:43.580 --> 01:24:48.060
<v Break>For the delegate races, we track not just delegate totals, but also the ever-important

01:24:48.060 --> 01:24:53.140
<v Break>analysis of how each candidate has to do with the remaining delegates in order to actually win.

01:24:53.460 --> 01:24:57.920
<v Break>For the electoral college, we track state-by-state poll averages to categorize

01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:02.180
<v Break>which states are actually in play and which are not in order to show you the

01:25:02.180 --> 01:25:06.360
<v Break>range of likely electoral results and how that changes over time.

01:25:07.340 --> 01:25:13.080
<v Break>Sure, you can get some of this stuff elsewhere, but not in exactly the same way, and not from me.

01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.760
<v Break>Sam, your prime curmudgeon. I think my election trackers are better than the

01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.880
<v Break>rest, so come look at mine, electiongraphs.com.

01:25:25.060 --> 01:25:28.480
<v Sam>Okay, before I do anything else since there was an election graphs thing,

01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:32.740
<v Sam>let me give a quick summary. I mentioned I'm gonna, I'm taking the week off.

01:25:33.080 --> 01:25:38.520
<v Sam>I'm gonna try to do those models that take into account the amount of time left until the election.

01:25:38.820 --> 01:25:41.900
<v Sam>I'm crossing my fingers that I have enough time to do what I wanna do.

01:25:41.900 --> 01:25:45.620
<v Sam>I have them in my head. I know exactly the steps I need to take.

01:25:45.700 --> 01:25:49.100
<v Sam>I just need the time to do it. And so hopefully a week will be enough.

01:25:49.460 --> 01:25:52.280
<v Sam>But of course, there's always going to be other things demanding my time,

01:25:52.340 --> 01:25:53.420
<v Sam>even though I take time off.

01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:57.900
<v Ivan>But anyway, but of course, you're going to come back to work,

01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:01.140
<v Ivan>you know, with a holiday like coming up a couple of days later.

01:26:01.200 --> 01:26:04.120
<v Ivan>I figured you would go straight, you know, take the two weeks.

01:26:04.480 --> 01:26:09.620
<v Sam>No, I only wanted to take a week now because I do want to make sure that by

01:26:09.620 --> 01:26:12.900
<v Sam>the time I to get to the end of the year i still have three weeks because i'm

01:26:12.900 --> 01:26:17.200
<v Sam>going to take the last two weeks before the election and one week after the election off so oh.

01:26:17.200 --> 01:26:19.620
<v Ivan>You know you you guys don't have unlimited vacation thing.

01:26:19.620 --> 01:26:21.500
<v Sam>No we we do not i.

01:26:21.500 --> 01:26:25.720
<v Ivan>Thought you guys did okay now that's that blows okay all right.

01:26:26.380 --> 01:26:31.480
<v Sam>We do not, we do not, but, but I've, I'm constantly up at the limit.

01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:35.340
<v Sam>Like I keep getting the notices that like, I'm not accumulating time anymore

01:26:35.340 --> 01:26:36.420
<v Sam>because I've met the max.

01:26:36.580 --> 01:26:40.500
<v Sam>So I figure I'll take a week, you know, and then I'll probably take the Friday

01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:43.160
<v Sam>after the fourth because the fourth is on a Thursday this time.

01:26:43.340 --> 01:26:46.700
<v Sam>So I'll, I'll take that Friday too, but I will come back for the three days

01:26:46.700 --> 01:26:49.360
<v Sam>in between, even though it'll be like, yeah, whatever.

01:26:49.660 --> 01:26:53.980
<v Ivan>Oh, okay. So I have shit. So that Friday. Okay. Well, it's a good thing. You just told me that.

01:26:54.340 --> 01:26:55.400
<v Sam>Cause you didn't realize.

01:26:57.060 --> 01:27:00.300
<v Ivan>I hadn't looked at the calendar that far ahead. I've been, oh my God.

01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:03.220
<v Sam>Calendars are complicated things.

01:27:04.060 --> 01:27:09.040
<v Ivan>Well, I try to like, you know, I do try to schedule everything and put it in the calendar.

01:27:09.180 --> 01:27:12.260
<v Ivan>We have a family calendar and stuff and whatever that we keep.

01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:13.600
<v Ivan>And we try to put everything there.

01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:17.660
<v Ivan>And we, you know, we have, you know, try to make sure we've got everything there.

01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:21.760
<v Ivan>Speaking of this, you know, one of my, did I put this down on my calendar?

01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:26.780
<v Ivan>that i have my happy my my my colonoscopy is next week.

01:27:26.780 --> 01:27:30.820
<v Sam>Oh fun fun thanks for sharing yeah but.

01:27:30.820 --> 01:27:32.940
<v Ivan>You're welcome uh you're welcome as though.

01:27:32.940 --> 01:27:36.600
<v Sam>The the those are exciting those yeah those.

01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.900
<v Ivan>Are oh yeah very exciting i'm so excited.

01:27:38.900 --> 01:27:42.860
<v Sam>Okay can i get back to the election stuff i was gonna mention election stuff so.

01:27:42.860 --> 01:27:45.940
<v Ivan>We don't want to talk about colonoscopies okay all right no.

01:27:45.940 --> 01:27:49.720
<v Sam>No it's so it's okay well you know everybody of a certain age you should get

01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:54.260
<v Sam>them whenever your doctor recommends on a regular basis, whatever cadence they

01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:55.540
<v Sam>suggest, because they're important.

01:27:55.720 --> 01:28:00.320
<v Sam>There you go. Did I say enough colonoscopy? Good. Have fun. Yeah.

01:28:00.340 --> 01:28:00.620
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:01.020
<v Sam>Okay.

01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:02.940
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:28:05.260 --> 01:28:12.040
<v Sam>So I want just the high level summary of what's been going on with election graphs.

01:28:12.340 --> 01:28:17.380
<v Sam>If you look at my tipping point metric, which is the margin in the state that

01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:19.520
<v Sam>would put the winner over the edge.

01:28:20.660 --> 01:28:25.680
<v Sam>I'm not going to go back too far, but starting when the New York trial started,

01:28:26.460 --> 01:28:31.480
<v Sam>for the first little bit of the New York trial, things were trending towards Trump, actually.

01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:48.180
<v Sam>And maxing out, the tipping point was 4.5% on Trump's side in Michigan, on May, May 8th. Okay.

01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:53.000
<v Sam>Okay. That is about his high watermark for this time.

01:28:53.080 --> 01:28:56.020
<v Sam>It had been up and down. There was a higher point in December,

01:28:56.120 --> 01:28:57.720
<v Sam>blah, blah, blah, or early January.

01:28:57.740 --> 01:29:01.660
<v Sam>Actually the, his highest point so far, this entire election cycle was at the

01:29:01.660 --> 01:29:05.720
<v Sam>very beginning of January, but this particular time he peaked on.

01:29:06.540 --> 01:29:12.240
<v Sam>On May 7th, May 7th, 8th, yeah, 8th. There you go. And then ever since it's

01:29:12.240 --> 01:29:14.160
<v Sam>been dropping. So that's before the verdict.

01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:22.100
<v Sam>Since the verdict, it has dropped further. So from May 8th to the time the verdict

01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:26.460
<v Sam>was, it dropped from that 4.5% to 1.7.

01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:27.200
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:29:27.340 --> 01:29:34.780
<v Sam>Since the verdict, it's continued down from 1.7 to 0.08 as of the time we're recording the show.

01:29:34.780 --> 01:29:41.260
<v Sam>So Trump is still ahead in that tipping point metric, but by a lot less than

01:29:41.260 --> 01:29:43.980
<v Sam>he was. His leads have been deteriorating.

01:29:44.260 --> 01:29:54.060
<v Sam>However, and so my uniform swing odds of a Biden win have gone in that same

01:29:54.060 --> 01:29:58.120
<v Sam>period from only 3.4% up to 27.2%.

01:29:58.120 --> 01:30:04.000
<v Sam>So big improvement for Biden, given where that tipping point has moved on the uniform swing one.

01:30:04.060 --> 01:30:06.800
<v Sam>But the uniform swing one is entirely based on the tipping point,

01:30:06.860 --> 01:30:10.340
<v Sam>essentially, because it just says how far does the tipping point have to move

01:30:10.340 --> 01:30:12.340
<v Sam>to win, given historical blah, blah, blah.

01:30:12.340 --> 01:30:18.920
<v Sam>The one thing to note, though, that has also been a trend in the last few weeks,

01:30:19.080 --> 01:30:20.460
<v Sam>including after the verdict,

01:30:20.700 --> 01:30:29.700
<v Sam>is that states that are on the Biden side of the line have been getting less strong for Biden.

01:30:30.380 --> 01:30:30.460
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:39.360
<v Sam>So states like Virginia and Minnesota are looking much, much closer than they used to be.

01:30:40.100 --> 01:30:43.360
<v Sam>and so if you look at my,

01:30:44.940 --> 01:30:51.380
<v Sam>the expected median value of what might happen for my probabilistic view and

01:30:51.380 --> 01:30:56.080
<v Sam>also even for my categorization view, it's actually moved a little bit back

01:30:56.080 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Sam>towards Trump in recent weeks.

01:30:58.020 --> 01:31:02.440
<v Sam>And that's partially, well, the categorization view is because Michigan moved

01:31:02.440 --> 01:31:03.760
<v Sam>back and forth across the line.

01:31:03.900 --> 01:31:10.380
<v Sam>But the independent state's view has been moving a little bit towards Trump

01:31:10.380 --> 01:31:20.720
<v Sam>because some Biden states that had fairly decent Biden leads are now fairly narrow Biden leads.

01:31:21.100 --> 01:31:23.740
<v Sam>So that's the dynamic that's been happening lately.

01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:29.560
<v Sam>We're still not 100% with my averages being after the trial,

01:31:29.660 --> 01:31:31.500
<v Sam>but things are bouncing around a little bit.

01:31:31.740 --> 01:31:36.260
<v Sam>And next week, we're going to have the debate.

01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:39.280
<v Sam>So at that point, we're not going to be able to separate what happened with

01:31:39.280 --> 01:31:42.140
<v Sam>the trial versus what happens at the debate, et cetera, et cetera.

01:31:42.620 --> 01:31:47.140
<v Sam>Anyway, I'll, and hopefully by next week, I will have done the stuff I talked

01:31:47.140 --> 01:31:52.200
<v Sam>about, about like odds that take into account how much time there is left before

01:31:52.200 --> 01:31:54.940
<v Sam>the election too, instead of being, if the election was today.

01:31:55.120 --> 01:31:56.400
<v Sam>Okay. Enough about that.

01:31:56.620 --> 01:32:03.560
<v Sam>So other, other political tickle things, political, is that what they call them? Tickle?

01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:06.680
<v Ivan>Political. Tickle. Tickle.

01:32:07.360 --> 01:32:08.580
<v Sam>Political. Political. Yes.

01:32:09.280 --> 01:32:13.020
<v Ivan>Is that what Trump is doing for the beeps takes? He's doing a tickle off?

01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:13.880
<v Sam>He...

01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:18.340
<v Ivan>Yes, it would be interesting at Mar-a-Lago live.

01:32:18.980 --> 01:32:25.620
<v Sam>I mean, apparently the three finalists are Burgum.

01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:30.160
<v Sam>Oh, what's the Burgum?

01:32:30.160 --> 01:32:31.180
<v Ivan>I can't remember fucking.

01:32:31.180 --> 01:32:35.120
<v Sam>Which one's Burgum North Dakota, South Dakota. He's a Dakota.

01:32:35.380 --> 01:32:38.620
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's one of the whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.400
<v Ivan>Okay. Now I remember who he is. Burgum. Is that the guy to beat somebody?

01:32:43.280 --> 01:32:44.500
<v Sam>No, that's different.

01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:49.960
<v Ivan>It's a different guy. Okay. He punched a reporter or something. Okay.

01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:55.920
<v Sam>That was like a House candidate in Montana or something. He was now in the House.

01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:57.500
<v Ivan>I believe. Of course.

01:32:59.260 --> 01:33:03.960
<v Sam>Anyway, we got Burgum. We got from, I'm just trying to confirm.

01:33:04.360 --> 01:33:04.860
<v Ivan>Vance?

01:33:04.980 --> 01:33:10.400
<v Sam>Which Ohio, which Dakota? Was he South Dakota or Burgum?

01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:15.800
<v Sam>North Dakota. North Dakota is Doug Burgum. bergham south dakota was the lady

01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:20.540
<v Sam>who got herself out of the vp race by killing a dog oh.

01:33:20.540 --> 01:33:21.840
<v Ivan>The one that oh well i i.

01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:23.580
<v Sam>Know no you.

01:33:23.580 --> 01:33:29.220
<v Ivan>Know i still i'm i'm still surprised that that played against her in the gop.

01:33:29.220 --> 01:33:36.920
<v Sam>Anyway we got bergham we got vance and we got rubio were the the last three apparently okay i.

01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.280
<v Ivan>Mean it's a parade of fucking hypocrites.

01:33:40.280 --> 01:33:48.720
<v Sam>Now yes all three of these people by the way had a phase in their careers where

01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.920
<v Sam>they where they significantly criticized donald trump and now they're sucking

01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:55.300
<v Sam>up to try to be vp all three of them yes.

01:33:55.300 --> 01:34:01.340
<v Ivan>Look i am really at this point and i i i mentioned this that all these fucking

01:34:01.340 --> 01:34:09.740
<v Ivan>people are just Just, I, it is the, these people to me are the most appalling of all. Okay.

01:34:10.040 --> 01:34:15.580
<v Sam>The ones who know better, but suck up anyway, because they want the influence power or whatever.

01:34:16.040 --> 01:34:20.600
<v Ivan>Or did they, or no more. Well, that, well, yeah. Or the ones that choose,

01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:22.440
<v Ivan>you know, conveniently will.

01:34:23.580 --> 01:34:29.520
<v Ivan>You mentioned, the one that I loved is the guy that you mentioned at that Washington State Convention.

01:34:30.180 --> 01:34:30.660
<v Sam>Right.

01:34:31.060 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Ivan>That you told me that the moment that he saw that Bernie Sanders...

01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:37.380
<v Sam>So let me tell the story. Let me tell the story.

01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:40.940
<v Ivan>Okay, you go tell the story. You tell the story, because that one was the best.

01:34:42.120 --> 01:34:49.680
<v Sam>I've told it on the show before. In 2016, I attended the Washington State Democratic Convention.

01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:53.000
<v Sam>convention and for those of you who remember there was a curmudgeons corner

01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:57.160
<v Sam>episode you can go find it in our archives i don't know the exact date but you

01:34:57.160 --> 01:35:03.140
<v Sam>can go find it in our archives and it was probably about this time because actually

01:35:03.140 --> 01:35:06.820
<v Sam>the washington state democratic convention is right now in.

01:35:06.820 --> 01:35:09.140
<v Ivan>June okay so it was june 2016 it.

01:35:09.140 --> 01:35:14.640
<v Sam>Was in june 2016 probably my wife is at the convention right now like i said

01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:18.760
<v Sam>i anyway i think was that what she's at right now i think that's what she's at right now.

01:35:19.060 --> 01:35:23.440
<v Sam>Anyway, I went there and I recorded curmudgeon's corner there.

01:35:23.580 --> 01:35:26.200
<v Sam>I did interviews with a bunch of people at the convention.

01:35:26.480 --> 01:35:29.520
<v Sam>I talked about what was going on at the convention, et cetera.

01:35:29.660 --> 01:35:32.100
<v Sam>It was a long show. It was like a three hour show or something.

01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:39.340
<v Sam>Crazy nonsense, bullshit, whatever. But one of the people I interviewed was a Sanders delegate.

01:35:39.940 --> 01:35:44.200
<v Sam>And I actually, myself and a couple other people had dinner with him, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:44.500 --> 01:35:47.400
<v Sam>But one of the things, He was all in

01:35:47.400 --> 01:35:51.680
<v Sam>for Sanders and he was talking about like all these Sanders folks to the very

01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:56.200
<v Sam>last minute were thinking that somehow something was going to happen and they

01:35:56.200 --> 01:35:59.300
<v Sam>were going to change things around and get more Sanders delegates that they

01:35:59.300 --> 01:36:04.940
<v Sam>deserved and they were going to somehow win after all, even when the numbers were all against them.

01:36:04.940 --> 01:36:11.020
<v Sam>when we were we were talking to this guy at like some restaurant after the thing

01:36:11.020 --> 01:36:17.560
<v Sam>and it was absolutely clear that sanders was not going to be the nominee at

01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.180
<v Sam>this point he literally says well,

01:36:20.940 --> 01:36:28.220
<v Sam>that's fine because and he opens his backpack and pulls out a maga hat and puts

01:36:28.220 --> 01:36:30.560
<v Sam>it on and takes off his Sanders gear.

01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:36.020
<v Ivan>I mean, how did everybody that saw this react? Because they had to be like,

01:36:36.970 --> 01:36:40.110
<v Ivan>You know, I mean, what was the reaction?

01:36:41.170 --> 01:36:46.090
<v Sam>Well, I was incredulous. I was like, are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?

01:36:46.390 --> 01:36:51.590
<v Sam>But I don't remember what other people around were, but like, and he's like, no, no.

01:36:51.710 --> 01:36:56.290
<v Sam>And it's because that is, if we can't have Sanders, they're all the fucking same.

01:36:56.430 --> 01:37:00.570
<v Sam>And at least Donald Trump is the blah, blah, blah. Cause it was, it was 2016.

01:37:00.850 --> 01:37:06.930
<v Sam>So it was Hillary. And there was absolute hatred of Hillary amongst a lot of the Sanders folks.

01:37:07.110 --> 01:37:09.690
<v Sam>Not all of them, not all of them, but a lot of-

01:37:09.690 --> 01:37:11.750
<v Ivan>But a good number of them, a good number of them.

01:37:11.850 --> 01:37:17.630
<v Sam>A good number of them. And there were probably enough people like him that out

01:37:17.630 --> 01:37:20.370
<v Sam>of the many things that gave us Donald Trump,

01:37:20.610 --> 01:37:26.430
<v Sam>the Sanders folks who either sat home and didn't vote and or voted for Trump,

01:37:26.610 --> 01:37:30.770
<v Sam>you're one of the reasons we had Donald Trump and still have him today.

01:37:30.770 --> 01:37:35.350
<v Sam>day not as president but still bothering us in many ways.

01:37:35.350 --> 01:37:40.330
<v Ivan>Well well you know you well that example for example i mean i think back then

01:37:40.330 --> 01:37:43.970
<v Ivan>there was a lot of the i do think that a lot of these were kind of like delusional

01:37:43.970 --> 01:37:46.690
<v Ivan>about the whole damn thing and so oh.

01:37:46.690 --> 01:37:52.090
<v Sam>Yeah go you'll you can hear a whole interview with this guy on that curmudgeons corner go go find it.

01:37:52.090 --> 01:37:54.930
<v Ivan>And so the one thing that happened to me this week

01:37:54.930 --> 01:37:58.530
<v Ivan>was that i'm looking through my facebook and

01:37:58.530 --> 01:38:02.190
<v Ivan>all of a sudden i get this ad by

01:38:02.190 --> 01:38:04.930
<v Ivan>this guy or it wasn't an ad it was a

01:38:04.930 --> 01:38:08.130
<v Ivan>post on his facebook page that used

01:38:08.130 --> 01:38:14.890
<v Ivan>to be for his campaign showing him posting shit like he was a republican okay

01:38:14.890 --> 01:38:19.930
<v Ivan>and that he was running for the for for the primary for the house but but this

01:38:19.930 --> 01:38:27.990
<v Ivan>guy my entire life that i knew him and he had run and won several local elections was the Democrats.

01:38:28.890 --> 01:38:29.290
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:38:29.650 --> 01:38:30.170
<v Sam>Okay.

01:38:30.470 --> 01:38:35.890
<v Ivan>I mean, forever. He had been, you know, he was running for the school board,

01:38:35.970 --> 01:38:40.150
<v Ivan>was trying to run against these very right wing people that were trying to get

01:38:40.150 --> 01:38:41.390
<v Ivan>on the Palm beach school board.

01:38:41.730 --> 01:38:49.470
<v Ivan>He had been on the city council and, you know, this guy had been a Democrat

01:38:49.470 --> 01:38:52.230
<v Ivan>the entire time talking about,

01:38:53.090 --> 01:38:58.050
<v Ivan>I mean, all the things, you know, that a Democrat is usually been talking about.

01:38:58.050 --> 01:39:03.510
<v Ivan>And then all of a sudden, at the flip of a switch, he had lost a whole bunch

01:39:03.510 --> 01:39:06.270
<v Ivan>of elections recently, okay?

01:39:06.570 --> 01:39:13.770
<v Ivan>This is one of these people that just seemed like bent on winning a seat of some kind.

01:39:14.070 --> 01:39:14.630
<v Sam>Okay.

01:39:14.710 --> 01:39:20.170
<v Ivan>Okay? For whatever reason. And so, well, the Democrats won't have me.

01:39:20.210 --> 01:39:21.430
<v Ivan>I'll just be a Republican.

01:39:21.930 --> 01:39:24.730
<v Ivan>And I'm just like, I'm sorry. but

01:39:24.730 --> 01:39:27.530
<v Ivan>this isn't like i'm gonna wear

01:39:27.530 --> 01:39:30.310
<v Ivan>a white shirt today and now i'm going to go

01:39:30.310 --> 01:39:33.810
<v Ivan>with blue this isn't i mean i'm sorry but right

01:39:33.810 --> 01:39:40.050
<v Ivan>now the political positions of both parties are so diametrically opposed that

01:39:40.050 --> 01:39:45.150
<v Ivan>i'm sorry you can't go from the party that is trying to defend women's rights

01:39:45.150 --> 01:39:53.310
<v Ivan>to the one that's trying to take them away for example or oh one that is you know inclusive of

01:39:53.670 --> 01:39:58.310
<v Ivan>minorities and immigrants and the other one that basically wants to throw them all out.

01:39:59.150 --> 01:39:59.190
<v Sam>Right.

01:39:59.430 --> 01:40:01.970
<v Ivan>I'm just... I'm just...

01:40:03.270 --> 01:40:09.230
<v Ivan>I'm just stunned by this guy who I had, you know, had a good impression of and

01:40:09.230 --> 01:40:13.570
<v Ivan>had, you know, talked to him about some local issues and supported him.

01:40:13.670 --> 01:40:17.230
<v Ivan>And then just all of a sudden, just like that, that guy just whipped out the

01:40:17.230 --> 01:40:20.630
<v Ivan>fucking hat and just went and like, oh, well, you know, fuck the immigrants.

01:40:21.090 --> 01:40:24.650
<v Ivan>And because literally, because that's literally he was posting.

01:40:24.670 --> 01:40:27.110
<v Ivan>I'm like, how do you now hate the immigrants?

01:40:27.670 --> 01:40:28.110
<v Sam>Right.

01:40:28.370 --> 01:40:29.470
<v Ivan>You liked them before.

01:40:29.470 --> 01:40:34.330
<v Sam>Well, and to bring this back to the vice presidential thing,

01:40:34.530 --> 01:40:39.290
<v Sam>I mean, part of the reason to talk about this is Burgum, Vance,

01:40:39.410 --> 01:40:45.970
<v Sam>and Rubio have all talked about how Trump was a problem many years ago.

01:40:46.150 --> 01:40:50.910
<v Sam>Right. like bergham ran against trump at the beginning and like dropped out

01:40:50.910 --> 01:40:55.370
<v Sam>really quick because he wasn't doing well but rubio had this whole thing like

01:40:55.370 --> 01:41:00.110
<v Sam>i mean in 2016 he was the one that like sort of dive he.

01:41:00.110 --> 01:41:00.990
<v Ivan>Was gonna save us.

01:41:00.990 --> 01:41:05.790
<v Sam>He dive bombed like like trump at that one debate and started talking about

01:41:05.790 --> 01:41:12.550
<v Sam>right small hands and stuff and like anyway he he self-immolated his sort of

01:41:12.550 --> 01:41:16.110
<v Sam>a to murder suicide with Chris Christie or whatever.

01:41:16.910 --> 01:41:22.070
<v Sam>Anyway, there are all sorts of quotes out here of all three of these people

01:41:22.070 --> 01:41:24.610
<v Sam>talking about Trump being problematic, and now they're sucking up to him.

01:41:24.730 --> 01:41:27.910
<v Sam>Before I forget, I looked up that episode.

01:41:28.730 --> 01:41:34.050
<v Sam>For anyone who wants to look for it, go to curmudgeons-corner.com,

01:41:34.250 --> 01:41:38.150
<v Sam>go to the 2016 section of the archives.

01:41:38.150 --> 01:41:52.030
<v Sam>It is episode 472, entitled Failing to Predict the Past, recorded on June 23rd, 2016.

01:41:53.480 --> 01:41:57.900
<v Sam>published on June 25th. It's two hours and 42 minutes long.

01:41:58.420 --> 01:42:03.240
<v Sam>And unfortunately, back then, like on the website, it's old enough that descriptions

01:42:03.240 --> 01:42:09.600
<v Sam>just say, show notes prior to Saturday, September 9th, 2017 are wonky.

01:42:09.780 --> 01:42:13.960
<v Sam>We are slowly fixing them. Apologies for the inconvenience. The description

01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:17.980
<v Sam>that should be there is this week on Curmudgeon's Corner, Sam and Yvonne's big

01:42:17.980 --> 01:42:23.020
<v Sam>topics are the gun control debate and the apparent Trump campaign implosion.

01:42:24.420 --> 01:42:27.060
<v Ivan>No, fuck, we're so wrong.

01:42:27.340 --> 01:42:32.860
<v Sam>Other topics are kids' summer activities, Brexit, recorded before the vote,

01:42:32.980 --> 01:42:35.600
<v Sam>and the process of choosing presidential electors.

01:42:35.740 --> 01:42:40.760
<v Sam>For a change of pace, Sam wraps it up with interviews of several delegates to

01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:43.480
<v Sam>the 2016 Washington State Democratic Convention.

01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:50.220
<v Sam>So that's that show. And yeah, like I said, it recorded June 23rd.

01:42:50.220 --> 01:42:54.080
<v Sam>It is now June 22nd. This was almost exactly eight years ago today.

01:42:54.480 --> 01:43:01.520
<v Sam>So anyway, so back to the vice presidency, the yes, the three candidates are

01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:03.500
<v Sam>all hypocrites. They're all sucking up to Donald Trump.

01:43:04.060 --> 01:43:11.300
<v Sam>Apparently Rubio, while not fully Fully eliminated right now is probably about

01:43:11.300 --> 01:43:16.180
<v Sam>to be eliminated for one reason specifically.

01:43:16.620 --> 01:43:17.100
<v Ivan>Which is?

01:43:17.260 --> 01:43:21.080
<v Sam>The Constitution prohibits the president and vice president from being from

01:43:21.080 --> 01:43:24.360
<v Sam>the same state. And right now they're both technically from Florida.

01:43:24.700 --> 01:43:27.320
<v Ivan>Ah, okay. There you go.

01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:33.020
<v Sam>Now, so there has been some talk that Rubio could move.

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:37.820
<v Ivan>Move but he's a senator from florida.

01:43:37.820 --> 01:43:43.400
<v Sam>He's a senator and he might have to like resign the senate in order to do that

01:43:43.400 --> 01:43:48.160
<v Sam>which meant if him him and trump lose he'd be out like whereas he could he could

01:43:48.160 --> 01:43:51.000
<v Sam>run for vice president and stay in the senate oh he's.

01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:52.780
<v Ivan>Not doing that no he's not down.

01:43:54.020 --> 01:43:57.080
<v Sam>Yeah and theoretically trump could move

01:43:57.080 --> 01:43:59.740
<v Sam>his registration too he could like registered or

01:43:59.740 --> 01:44:04.660
<v Sam>badminster in new jersey or something i don't know but you know and you know

01:44:04.660 --> 01:44:11.800
<v Sam>so apparently the two finalists are bergham and vance now this is as of reporting

01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:17.200
<v Sam>in the last day or two trump trump could change his mind up until the very last second well.

01:44:17.200 --> 01:44:22.440
<v Ivan>That's that's the thing i mean i don't believe i i mean knowing trump it's going

01:44:22.440 --> 01:44:27.900
<v Ivan>to come down to whatever the fuck you know all he woke up that morning and feels like.

01:44:28.700 --> 01:44:33.680
<v Sam>Well, and also, I mean, I heard somebody talking like somebody on some news

01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:39.840
<v Sam>show earlier today asked whoever they were interviewing something about like,

01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:43.500
<v Sam>would, if they were vice president, uh,

01:44:44.020 --> 01:44:49.480
<v Sam>Would they be fully loyal to Donald Trump and not do like what Pence did?

01:44:49.860 --> 01:44:57.360
<v Sam>And I'm like, you know, Donald Trump's entire process is going to be make damn

01:44:57.360 --> 01:45:03.300
<v Sam>sure that they will do whatever you want without question, no matter what.

01:45:03.540 --> 01:45:05.000
<v Ivan>Right. Exactly.

01:45:05.460 --> 01:45:10.560
<v Sam>And if he has the slightest bit of doubt that says you might not,

01:45:10.700 --> 01:45:14.600
<v Sam>you are not going to be the candidate. it you know you.

01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:18.260
<v Ivan>Know you know one of the problems with those guys that i've noticed like the

01:45:18.260 --> 01:45:23.140
<v Ivan>ones that he chooses that have that that that unwinding loyalty is they all wind up in jail,

01:45:26.360 --> 01:45:30.000
<v Ivan>all of them have you not noticed yes.

01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:34.220
<v Sam>Like you know basically his all his staff choices.

01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:37.340
<v Ivan>Are all like cons well.

01:45:37.340 --> 01:45:40.020
<v Sam>No there's two possibilities either.

01:45:40.020 --> 01:45:41.340
<v Ivan>They end up showing.

01:45:41.340 --> 01:45:46.320
<v Sam>Showing some sort of backbone or independence in which case he stabs them in the back.

01:45:46.320 --> 01:45:47.760
<v Ivan>They're done or.

01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:53.700
<v Sam>They do undying loyalty and end up indicted in jail whatever.

01:45:53.700 --> 01:45:55.060
<v Ivan>Exactly and.

01:45:55.060 --> 01:46:01.420
<v Sam>And these are the two kinds that come out of of a trump administration.

01:46:01.420 --> 01:46:06.060
<v Ivan>It could i could i you know as we're looking here and talking about the people

01:46:06.060 --> 01:46:09.520
<v Ivan>the administration or whatever And I was talking about hypocrisy.

01:46:09.580 --> 01:46:12.720
<v Ivan>I pulled up the Wikipedia page for Marco Rubio.

01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:19.580
<v Ivan>There is a picture here where he is hugging the Senate, the Florida House,

01:46:19.740 --> 01:46:26.260
<v Ivan>and he is the Senate president because he was the House speaker in the state of Florida. Right.

01:46:26.380 --> 01:46:32.160
<v Ivan>And he is embracing him after the Florida House's unanimous approval of the

01:46:32.160 --> 01:46:38.240
<v Ivan>Florida Senate's resolution to formally express deep regret for slavery in March of 2008.

01:46:38.780 --> 01:46:39.580
<v Sam>Okay.

01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:46.760
<v Ivan>Could you believe that a GOP House actually passed such a legislation? Yeah.

01:46:52.150 --> 01:46:58.970
<v Ivan>now now you know they would probably be passing one you know talking about the benefits of slavery.

01:46:58.970 --> 01:47:07.390
<v Sam>Well here here's the thing since 2016 like the republican party before 2016

01:47:07.390 --> 01:47:13.530
<v Sam>and after 2016 are not the same thing at all it's not even comparable not.

01:47:13.530 --> 01:47:20.170
<v Ivan>Not even remotely close i mean I mean, anything that if you're a Republican

01:47:20.170 --> 01:47:24.370
<v Ivan>that went into a coma, okay, in the year 2000,

01:47:24.770 --> 01:47:31.550
<v Ivan>okay, and you woke up now, you're like going, what the fuck happened?

01:47:31.970 --> 01:47:32.570
<v Sam>Right.

01:47:33.110 --> 01:47:37.250
<v Ivan>I mean, you would be like, what happened? Oh, you know.

01:47:37.810 --> 01:47:41.990
<v Sam>Which honestly makes you wonder why people like George W.

01:47:42.070 --> 01:47:48.650
<v Sam>Bush don't say more than they do. they just he he's been very quiet i mean he

01:47:48.650 --> 01:47:53.410
<v Sam>he clearly doesn't like trump but he's not willing to like he's not gonna well

01:47:53.410 --> 01:47:58.210
<v Sam>it would be a shock let's put it this way it would be if if like he showed up

01:47:58.210 --> 01:48:01.610
<v Sam>at at biden's convention or something well.

01:48:01.610 --> 01:48:08.410
<v Ivan>I think his family and things have said things and they have been so they have been so vilified.

01:48:08.410 --> 01:48:11.950
<v Sam>Yes there there there was a quote in the,

01:48:12.690 --> 01:48:15.870
<v Sam>there's a yeah there there's a quote in the 2016

01:48:15.870 --> 01:48:19.350
<v Sam>thing when we were in 2016 before

01:48:19.350 --> 01:48:23.050
<v Sam>george hw bush died there

01:48:23.050 --> 01:48:29.350
<v Sam>were reports that he had said that he was voting for hillary clinton and that

01:48:29.350 --> 01:48:33.310
<v Sam>he supported her and liked her and she was a great lady blah blah blah but it

01:48:33.310 --> 01:48:37.050
<v Sam>was all sort of like ah he's getting old he doesn't know what he's saying you

01:48:37.050 --> 01:48:41.450
<v Sam>know but you know i i think you're right like Like a lot of it is like,

01:48:42.300 --> 01:48:46.720
<v Sam>Even the people who say, who think those who are like, you know,

01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:50.460
<v Sam>there, there's many forms of cowardice on the Republican side.

01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:54.560
<v Sam>There's a people who are in office who realize it would be political suicide

01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:58.840
<v Sam>within the Republican party to actually go straight up against Donald Trump

01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:04.140
<v Sam>and say all the kinds of things that Chris Christie said, or that Lynn Cheney says,

01:49:04.300 --> 01:49:08.900
<v Sam>or any of these folks there, they've basically been exiled from the party.

01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:10.420
<v Sam>Their political careers are over.

01:49:11.300 --> 01:49:18.340
<v Sam>and then there's people who are honestly scared for their physical safety yeah you know,

01:49:19.460 --> 01:49:25.040
<v Sam>for like somebody like w i don't like he's got secret service protection he's

01:49:25.040 --> 01:49:27.800
<v Sam>not running for office again you'd think he could say something but like you

01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:30.860
<v Sam>said they go after families and stuff too like they.

01:49:30.860 --> 01:49:31.500
<v Ivan>Go after family.

01:49:31.500 --> 01:49:41.300
<v Sam>People are scared like you know i i think if if you got W in a candid moment by himself,

01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:46.780
<v Sam>he'd tell you like that he agrees with everybody else that Donald is dangerous

01:49:46.780 --> 01:49:48.920
<v Sam>and bad and blah, blah, blah.

01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:57.540
<v Sam>And I, you know, I don't know, maybe not, but I don't know. Maybe I think too much of W, you know?

01:49:58.700 --> 01:50:03.900
<v Ivan>No, no, no. I think you're right. And there has been a whole bunch of indirect

01:50:03.900 --> 01:50:05.460
<v Ivan>indicators that that is the case.

01:50:05.460 --> 01:50:11.240
<v Sam>Yeah anyway so we talked about we're pretty much out of time so like other other

01:50:11.240 --> 01:50:17.460
<v Sam>things just quick hits scotus came out with some decisions this week as sort

01:50:17.460 --> 01:50:22.800
<v Sam>of mixed bag they've been doing lately but the key ones that the key ones are

01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.440
<v Sam>still waiting right theoretically,

01:50:26.120 --> 01:50:32.180
<v Sam>on their normal calendar they should finish next week but every once in a while

01:50:32.180 --> 01:50:35.440
<v Sam>they've They've slipped into July in order to finish things up,

01:50:35.480 --> 01:50:37.360
<v Sam>and they've still got a lot of cases left.

01:50:38.200 --> 01:50:43.320
<v Sam>And the Trump immunity case is one of them. I predicted before that that's going

01:50:43.320 --> 01:50:48.200
<v Sam>to be the very, very last case that they announce is going to be the Trump immunity

01:50:48.200 --> 01:50:51.040
<v Sam>one on whatever day that is. We'll see.

01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:58.140
<v Sam>There are a few other big cases expected. This week, what? They had the gun case.

01:50:58.500 --> 01:51:06.280
<v Sam>SCOTUS 8-1 said that, yes, you can prohibit people convicted of domestic violence from carrying guns.

01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:11.160
<v Sam>Yeah. Of course, the one was Thomas in the 8-1.

01:51:11.180 --> 01:51:11.820
<v Ivan>Oh, you don't say.

01:51:15.480 --> 01:51:19.240
<v Sam>Wow i'm shocked yes anyway so

01:51:19.240 --> 01:51:22.840
<v Sam>there's scoda stuff there'll be more scoda stuff that's still waiting we do

01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:27.920
<v Sam>have the debate coming up next week as of today it's still on you know people

01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:32.160
<v Sam>keep saying well maybe trump will skip out on it maybe something will happen

01:51:32.160 --> 01:51:36.500
<v Sam>we'll see it's it's next week it's coming soon look.

01:51:36.500 --> 01:51:42.380
<v Ivan>Every time i keep listen every time i look at at at the rules for with this

01:51:42.380 --> 01:51:50.940
<v Ivan>debate and i i am thinking how did he agree to all this there is you know objectively,

01:51:52.400 --> 01:51:57.220
<v Ivan>nothing in this debate helps him i'm still confused as why he's going through with it.

01:51:57.220 --> 01:52:02.640
<v Sam>I mean when we did our predictions in december we said if if trump was the nominee

01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:05.820
<v Sam>there would be no debates i am surprised that's.

01:52:05.820 --> 01:52:08.620
<v Ivan>Right i'm shocked i don't understand.

01:52:08.620 --> 01:52:11.120
<v Sam>Like what's in it for him.

01:52:11.440 --> 01:52:11.920
<v Ivan>Right.

01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.440
<v Sam>I mean, the only thing I can think of.

01:52:15.780 --> 01:52:17.100
<v Ivan>Yeah. What do you think?

01:52:17.220 --> 01:52:22.880
<v Sam>I think he believes his own hype about Biden being senile and thinks he's going

01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:24.460
<v Sam>to be able to walk circles around him.

01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:28.060
<v Ivan>That may be it. And that may be it.

01:52:28.240 --> 01:52:32.680
<v Ivan>And the thing is, so the only thing I mean, the thing is, all I'm seeing here

01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:36.380
<v Ivan>is how Biden could make him look like an idiot.

01:52:37.140 --> 01:52:40.360
<v Ivan>Because you know that he is going to be out of control.

01:52:41.390 --> 01:52:46.370
<v Ivan>I mean, how is he not going to be out of control? You can bet your ass that

01:52:46.370 --> 01:52:51.010
<v Ivan>they will mute that microphone and he's going to be trying to be yelling and,

01:52:51.030 --> 01:52:54.370
<v Ivan>you know, hollering and being angry and.

01:52:54.370 --> 01:52:59.010
<v Sam>Still be heard. Yeah, that's right. Because, and I said this before,

01:52:59.110 --> 01:53:02.290
<v Sam>like, yeah, they're going to turn off his microphone, but they're only going

01:53:02.290 --> 01:53:03.490
<v Sam>to be standing a few feet apart.

01:53:03.750 --> 01:53:07.590
<v Sam>Biden's microphone will pick up Trump, you know, when he's like acting up.

01:53:07.590 --> 01:53:13.050
<v Sam>You remember in the Hillary debate, he was pacing and walking over to her and blah, blah, blah.

01:53:13.150 --> 01:53:15.310
<v Ivan>Yes, yes, yes.

01:53:15.730 --> 01:53:19.170
<v Sam>He's going to do all that nonsense and shit he does.

01:53:20.050 --> 01:53:24.930
<v Sam>There have been more and more stories the last few weeks about Donald Trump's

01:53:24.930 --> 01:53:27.490
<v Sam>own cognitive issues. shoes.

01:53:27.830 --> 01:53:28.990
<v Ivan>Holy shit.

01:53:29.410 --> 01:53:34.430
<v Sam>Like problems with his memory, him being like incoherent in his speeches.

01:53:34.430 --> 01:53:37.790
<v Sam>Last week we talked about the thing with the sharks and the batteries,

01:53:37.930 --> 01:53:42.870
<v Sam>you know, I, I, I don't know if you listened, I included the actual clip in

01:53:42.870 --> 01:53:47.550
<v Sam>the final episode, you know, all of this. So we'll see.

01:53:47.950 --> 01:53:53.770
<v Sam>Now here's the thing on all of the other debates that Trump has been in both

01:53:53.770 --> 01:54:00.450
<v Sam>against Hillary and against Biden, um, he's managed to kind of hold it together.

01:54:01.130 --> 01:54:06.630
<v Sam>Like you always expect him to go off the rails and he sort of goes part way up to the line.

01:54:06.710 --> 01:54:12.330
<v Ivan>But listen, I, I don't think you're, listen, I don't listen. He did really, really.

01:54:12.330 --> 01:54:14.410
<v Sam>But he's a different person than he was four years ago.

01:54:14.810 --> 01:54:18.770
<v Ivan>And no, but, but not just that. Listen, I think you're forgetting it.

01:54:19.130 --> 01:54:23.470
<v Ivan>Don't you remember the debate against Hillary that he did so fucking bad that

01:54:23.470 --> 01:54:27.210
<v Ivan>he ripped up the fucking, you know, know he ripped up his notes like at the

01:54:27.210 --> 01:54:33.930
<v Ivan>end that was like the thing yeah he did he did not do well it was a disaster no.

01:54:33.930 --> 01:54:41.610
<v Sam>He we we said this last week he's lost every debate he's been in it just doesn't end up mattering.

01:54:41.610 --> 01:54:50.070
<v Ivan>Well here's the one thing though i i will say that in one of the things that

01:54:50.150 --> 01:54:56.430
<v Ivan>we, that is a huge difference right now is that this debate is happening in June.

01:54:56.590 --> 01:55:01.730
<v Ivan>Yes. We never have these debates now. No. And one of the things that we have

01:55:01.730 --> 01:55:06.330
<v Ivan>been going on about is looking at the polling data, what the hell is going on,

01:55:06.450 --> 01:55:14.570
<v Ivan>is where the low information voters that have not been engaged are. Right.

01:55:15.090 --> 01:55:19.070
<v Ivan>And so a lot of the things that happen is that when that debate happens,

01:55:19.250 --> 01:55:23.510
<v Ivan>like in September, OK, well, the conventions happen.

01:55:23.730 --> 01:55:27.650
<v Ivan>So they all know who the candidates are and everything being like whatever.

01:55:27.810 --> 01:55:30.910
<v Ivan>So, you know, for sure, it's, you know, like a whole bunch of people.

01:55:30.950 --> 01:55:34.290
<v Ivan>It's not, you know, there's still a whole bunch of people clinging to like,

01:55:34.510 --> 01:55:36.710
<v Ivan>you know, I don't know, somebody else's.

01:55:36.770 --> 01:55:37.590
<v Sam>Maybe it won't be them.

01:55:38.430 --> 01:55:42.910
<v Ivan>Maybe it won't be them and shit like that. They are so low information. They have no idea.

01:55:43.390 --> 01:55:48.710
<v Ivan>And so having this debate now, I think will have more of an impact than the

01:55:48.710 --> 01:55:50.910
<v Ivan>usual debate because it's now.

01:55:51.450 --> 01:55:55.590
<v Ivan>So all of a sudden it cuts through that bullshit of people that people are just

01:55:55.590 --> 01:55:58.670
<v Ivan>thinking that this election is not going to be Trump versus Biden.

01:55:58.950 --> 01:56:05.690
<v Sam>And another thing I saw, they did dump the presidential debate commission specifically

01:56:05.690 --> 01:56:07.690
<v Sam>to like freeze out Kennedy. He

01:56:07.690 --> 01:56:11.290
<v Sam>didn't qualify like CNN made some rules and Kennedy didn't qualify anyway.

01:56:11.470 --> 01:56:15.150
<v Sam>But one of the reasons that both Biden and Trump were like.

01:56:15.230 --> 01:56:17.270
<v Ivan>Let's say you want this clown in there.

01:56:17.370 --> 01:56:21.110
<v Sam>They didn't want this clown. They also like felt like I agree.

01:56:21.390 --> 01:56:24.530
<v Sam>They felt like the presidential debate commission hadn't run well.

01:56:24.630 --> 01:56:26.670
<v Sam>The ones in the last couple of cycles, whatever.

01:56:27.190 --> 01:56:32.750
<v Sam>But CNN is doing it. But unlike like some of the like like the primary debates

01:56:32.750 --> 01:56:35.870
<v Sam>and I think even debate like this will be simulcast.

01:56:36.470 --> 01:56:40.130
<v Sam>CNN is running it, but this is going to be on all the networks.

01:56:40.630 --> 01:56:41.030
<v Ivan>Okay.

01:56:41.330 --> 01:56:46.510
<v Sam>Lots of people are going to see this, you know, and yeah, lots of people are

01:56:46.510 --> 01:56:49.910
<v Sam>going to be tuned out, but like this is going to, because it's going to be everywhere.

01:56:50.370 --> 01:56:53.530
<v Sam>This is going to be the ones where people flip, you know, the old fashioned

01:56:53.530 --> 01:56:57.690
<v Sam>people who are still watching linear TV and flipping channels are going to hit

01:56:57.690 --> 01:57:01.290
<v Sam>this and be like, Oh, debate, debate.

01:57:01.450 --> 01:57:04.690
<v Sam>You know, it's the only thing on, I guess I'll watch it right now.

01:57:04.850 --> 01:57:13.590
<v Sam>Right. For, For most people our age and younger, we're not linear TV anyway anymore, but still.

01:57:13.890 --> 01:57:17.110
<v Ivan>Well, but it's going to be streaming. It's going to be on a whole bunch of, yeah.

01:57:18.210 --> 01:57:21.590
<v Sam>It's going to be everywhere. It's going to be hard to avoid.

01:57:21.750 --> 01:57:24.670
<v Sam>I mean, the people who want to avoid it will be able to do whatever they want,

01:57:24.750 --> 01:57:28.730
<v Sam>as they always will. But lots of people are going to see this debate.

01:57:29.810 --> 01:57:33.210
<v Sam>And so you may be right. It may have an impact. And of course,

01:57:33.210 --> 01:57:34.770
<v Sam>it all depends on how it goes, right? Right.

01:57:34.790 --> 01:57:44.590
<v Sam>Does everybody sort of do both candidates basically behave as expected or are there surprises?

01:57:44.930 --> 01:57:50.770
<v Sam>Do we actually see like Donald Trump completely incoherent? Do we see Biden

01:57:50.770 --> 01:57:52.250
<v Sam>completely incoherent?

01:57:52.310 --> 01:57:57.330
<v Sam>Does one of them have the heart attack that you dreamt about? You know, I don't know.

01:57:57.330 --> 01:58:04.790
<v Ivan>Oh, listen, if that happens, if my fucking dream becomes a reality, I'm going to be scared.

01:58:04.850 --> 01:58:08.050
<v Ivan>I mean, I'm going to be scared. I'm like, what the fuck?

01:58:08.370 --> 01:58:10.070
<v Sam>Yes. Well, you know.

01:58:10.910 --> 01:58:14.790
<v Sam>not not predicting or what anything but you

01:58:14.790 --> 01:58:20.350
<v Sam>know and then there's the usual like you know debates usually don't have an

01:58:20.350 --> 01:58:25.050
<v Sam>effect but every once in a while there's a really memorable line that gets talked

01:58:25.050 --> 01:58:30.350
<v Sam>about a lot every once in a while somebody screws up entirely in a way that

01:58:30.350 --> 01:58:33.250
<v Sam>like causes a major problem you.

01:58:33.250 --> 01:58:36.750
<v Ivan>Know the one thing that right now because there's so much shit that's happened

01:58:36.750 --> 01:58:41.110
<v Ivan>to Trump, there are so many good lines that you could have prepared to fucking torpedo him.

01:58:42.110 --> 01:58:48.690
<v Ivan>I was just practicing. The other day, I don't remember, but I was just thinking of something.

01:58:50.230 --> 01:58:55.770
<v Ivan>It's like, well, I'm going to be the first president ever to something.

01:58:55.970 --> 01:59:01.050
<v Ivan>You can tell, yeah, the first convicted felon president, that's going to look great on everybody.

01:59:01.910 --> 01:59:07.030
<v Ivan>You could hit him with shit. Holy shit, you could have a field day.

01:59:07.250 --> 01:59:12.050
<v Sam>You can't, but you, you can have a field day on sort of serious stuff like that.

01:59:12.230 --> 01:59:16.190
<v Sam>You can also like a number of people have said, if you really want to get under

01:59:16.190 --> 01:59:21.930
<v Sam>Trump's skin and get him to lose control, the way to do it is mocking him.

01:59:21.990 --> 01:59:22.230
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:59:22.390 --> 01:59:28.670
<v Sam>Like treat him like a joke, treat him with no respect whatsoever that he is

01:59:28.670 --> 01:59:34.810
<v Sam>beneath you because his whole personality personality, or his whole personality disorder,

01:59:35.150 --> 01:59:40.170
<v Sam>if you want to put it that way, is around propping up his ego and about how

01:59:40.170 --> 01:59:43.570
<v Sam>he is important and wonderful and great.

01:59:43.690 --> 01:59:49.130
<v Sam>And having someone directly confront him with, no, you are a fucking joke,

01:59:49.350 --> 01:59:51.570
<v Sam>is the thing that injures him the most.

01:59:51.690 --> 01:59:56.250
<v Sam>Now, I don't know how good Biden would be at that or whether Biden wants to

01:59:56.250 --> 02:00:02.290
<v Sam>be the one to do that, as opposed to, you know, sort of more,

02:00:02.490 --> 02:00:07.830
<v Sam>you know, like, you know, Michelle Obama's, like when they go low,

02:00:07.870 --> 02:00:12.010
<v Sam>we go high thing didn't really work all that well in 2016.

02:00:12.470 --> 02:00:14.250
<v Ivan>No, no.

02:00:15.210 --> 02:00:20.970
<v Sam>So maybe, maybe try something different, but Biden very much like Biden very

02:00:20.970 --> 02:00:26.470
<v Sam>much has the the mindset that he, he so much wants things to go back to,

02:00:26.590 --> 02:00:29.650
<v Sam>you know, we are, we disagree,

02:00:29.810 --> 02:00:34.410
<v Sam>but we all love the country and we'll work together in the end and blah, blah, blah.

02:00:34.890 --> 02:00:35.850
<v Ivan>Listen, I.

02:00:36.780 --> 02:00:41.600
<v Ivan>His ads lately have been different. Okay. Related to this.

02:00:41.820 --> 02:00:44.900
<v Sam>Oh, they have. Yeah. There've been a couple that have been really pointed.

02:00:45.200 --> 02:00:50.960
<v Ivan>You know, they, they have been, he has been mocking him repeatedly on shit that

02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:53.320
<v Ivan>he said and so forth. So, so they, they.

02:00:53.320 --> 02:00:59.100
<v Sam>They, oh, and the, the, the, the Biden, Biden Harris HQ account on threads is

02:00:59.100 --> 02:01:06.120
<v Sam>just constantly it's whole modus operandi is just posting things that Donald

02:01:06.220 --> 02:01:10.980
<v Sam>Trump has said himself and basically where he looks like a jackass.

02:01:11.020 --> 02:01:15.920
<v Ivan>You know, but, but what a one thing that I'm saying is that you see a lot of

02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:19.780
<v Ivan>posted Biden videos in which, you know, like,

02:01:19.880 --> 02:01:23.560
<v Ivan>I can't remember the one that he's, which one of the crazy things that he said

02:01:23.560 --> 02:01:26.740
<v Ivan>that, you know, he was like, wait, oh, the, the one about the Nazis.

02:01:26.740 --> 02:01:32.720
<v Ivan>okay you know where he was like wait he really posted this the hell you know

02:01:32.720 --> 02:01:36.460
<v Ivan>so he they've been doing a lot more of that so we'll see what what the debate

02:01:36.460 --> 02:01:40.100
<v Ivan>brings so next thursday right where it's like well.

02:01:40.100 --> 02:01:46.160
<v Sam>And there is a different there is a difference though between things the campaign

02:01:46.160 --> 02:01:51.500
<v Sam>does or people do on biden's behalf versus things he says himself to donald

02:01:51.500 --> 02:01:54.480
<v Sam>trump's face and like Like how that dynamic works,

02:01:54.580 --> 02:01:57.600
<v Sam>I guess we'll see. I want, I'll tell you what I want.

02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:02.360
<v Sam>I want aggressive, pointed, state of the union style Biden.

02:02:03.360 --> 02:02:06.100
<v Ivan>Yeah, that's what I want. That's the guy I want.

02:02:06.640 --> 02:02:10.760
<v Sam>And, you know, Donald Trump has been all about like, oh, Biden's going to come

02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:11.920
<v Sam>out all drugged and stuff.

02:02:12.080 --> 02:02:16.660
<v Sam>And that's partly to like, you know, to sort of set expectations there.

02:02:17.320 --> 02:02:22.920
<v Sam>Both camps, everybody always wants set expectations low for their candidate and high for the others.

02:02:23.080 --> 02:02:25.840
<v Sam>so that, you know, if they don't do well, they can say, well,

02:02:25.920 --> 02:02:27.420
<v Sam>we always knew it was going to turn out that way.

02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:32.100
<v Sam>But honestly, you know, Donald Trump and his camp of all and Fox News and everybody

02:02:32.100 --> 02:02:35.820
<v Sam>have been like, you know, Joe Biden's going to come out all hyped up.

02:02:35.880 --> 02:02:38.500
<v Sam>He's going to be on like whatever drugs they need to pep him up.

02:02:38.740 --> 02:02:44.600
<v Sam>You know, I'm like, if that's what it takes, okay, give him some Adderall,

02:02:44.720 --> 02:02:47.280
<v Sam>fine, whatever, you know, whatever you need to do.

02:02:48.740 --> 02:02:53.600
<v Ivan>You know listen considering what we know about all the drugs that were being

02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:58.500
<v Ivan>dispensed without any control at the white house in trump's administration in

02:02:58.500 --> 02:03:04.260
<v Ivan>trump's administration okay all right which violated every fucking rule related to this everybody.

02:03:04.260 --> 02:03:07.980
<v Sam>Was on every sort of upper drug you could possibly think of there.

02:03:07.980 --> 02:03:12.560
<v Ivan>There it says handing them out like candy okay OK, and then I'm sorry,

02:03:12.660 --> 02:03:17.640
<v Ivan>but if you haven't seen, you know, Donald Trump Jr., like in every video that

02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:21.340
<v Ivan>he's been on lately, look, I mean, seriously,

02:03:21.740 --> 02:03:24.360
<v Ivan>that guy has to be on cocaine regularly.

02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:27.940
<v Ivan>There is no other explanation for how he looks.

02:03:28.750 --> 02:03:32.830
<v Sam>And back to Donald Trump himself, I mean, back in the other debates,

02:03:32.930 --> 02:03:40.490
<v Sam>you know, in 2016 and 2020, there was talk about, is Donald Trump on something?

02:03:40.610 --> 02:03:45.230
<v Sam>Yeah. During the debate, you know, because one of the people talked about how

02:03:45.230 --> 02:03:47.090
<v Sam>much he sniffled during the debates.

02:03:47.290 --> 02:03:50.050
<v Ivan>Oh, the sniff. I forgot about the sniffling.

02:03:51.110 --> 02:03:54.090
<v Sam>And nobody, who knows? There's no proof of anything. thing.

02:03:54.110 --> 02:03:57.710
<v Sam>There was also talk about how sort of the first half of the debate,

02:03:57.850 --> 02:04:01.710
<v Sam>he basically kept it together and he sort of deteriorated for the second half.

02:04:01.890 --> 02:04:03.610
<v Ivan>So the dose was wearing off.

02:04:03.870 --> 02:04:08.930
<v Sam>But yeah, so the dose was wearing off. But frankly, you're doing a two-hour debate.

02:04:09.350 --> 02:04:14.230
<v Sam>I would wear off by the second half too. Whether I'd taken anything or not,

02:04:14.470 --> 02:04:17.770
<v Sam>I'd be flagging by the second half of that debate.

02:04:18.010 --> 02:04:22.590
<v Ivan>I don't know. It really depends. I don't know. On those things, Well.

02:04:22.730 --> 02:04:29.230
<v Sam>I say that, but here we go. We're over two hours into this podcast, and here I go.

02:04:29.870 --> 02:04:33.170
<v Ivan>Exactly. And we're, exactly. You're still yapping away.

02:04:35.750 --> 02:04:40.350
<v Sam>I'm still jumping up and down talking, and I am going wild.

02:04:40.410 --> 02:04:44.090
<v Sam>I did not take any drugs before this podcast started.

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<v Ivan>It's the cocaine, right? Cocaine?

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<v Sam>Oh, yeah. I'm all about the coke.

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<v Ivan>A lot of cocaine. Okay. You're all about. Okay, great. There you go. Well, that's good.

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<v Sam>Coca-Cola. Right. That's what you mean.

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<v Ivan>Oh, that kind. Well, it used to have cocaine back in the day. So you old style.

02:05:02.190 --> 02:05:04.990
<v Sam>It did. It did used to have cocaine. Anyway.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Hey.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>All right. Anyway, so speaking of two hours plus, let's wrap it up.

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<v Sam>We need to be done. Yeah.

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<v Sam>I was going to mention Judge Cannon. She's just continuing to do her delay bullshit.

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<v Sam>shit you talked about fake democrats we talked about the veep stakes we talked

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<v Sam>about scotus we talked about the debate i think we covered it are we done are

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<v Sam>we done we're done okay so,

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<v Sam>curmudgeons corner go to curmudgeons-corner.com go check out episode what did i say 472,

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<v Sam>failing to predict the past from eight years ago, June 23rd, 2016.

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<v Sam>You'll get the interview with that guy at the end. I don't think he says the

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<v Sam>mega hat thing in the interview.

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<v Sam>I think that happened otherwise, but I don't, I don't actually remember.

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<v Sam>So maybe he says it in an interview. I don't know. Like he's,

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<v Sam>he's interviewed in any case. And yeah,

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<v Sam>He ran for something the next year and lost as well, by the way.

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<v Ivan>So, Oh, well, well, that's a shame.

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<v Sam>Yeah. I forget what he ran for some, some city council or something or whatever.

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<v Ivan>I feel awful.

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<v Sam>Anyway, go there, see the archives, see all the ways to contact us,

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<v Sam>see all the transcripts. Not for that old episode. I didn't do transcripts back then.

02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:34.780
<v Ivan>But now you're getting auto a transcripts on the fricking Apple. Do he key?

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<v Sam>Yeah. So I, I've, I've started to add the automatic, the, like the transcripts

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<v Sam>that'll play in your podcast player.

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<v Sam>If it supports it, Apple has apparently for months now been adding their own

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<v Sam>like AI transcripts to every podcast.

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<v Sam>So there've been curmudgeons corner transcripts in there for a while.

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<v Sam>Now, like I'm uploading my own, like the automatic ones don't identify who's

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<v Sam>talking, but I'm uploading my own now, which will identify who's talking.

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<v Sam>however i uploaded them for four episodes and apple only accepted them for two

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<v Sam>or no one only accepted it for one of the four episodes so i don't know the

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<v Sam>magic formula yet i don't know we'll see i.

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<v Ivan>Listen i will say that those automated transcripts that it added are actually pretty damn good.

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<v Sam>Yeah no like the only thing that using the ones i upload would give you that those don't that.

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<v Ivan>Identifies the who's the speaker yeah yeah.

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<v Sam>It identifies who's the speaker yeah yeah but but But yeah, and then also by

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<v Sam>me uploading it myself, other podcast players other than Apple can also show them.

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<v Sam>But only a few podcast players have that feature now.

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<v Sam>Like a lot of them still don't. But I presume they're all going to add them

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<v Sam>over the next year or so because it's now podcast 2.0 or whatever.

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<v Sam>Anyway, there's also our Patreon where you can give us money at various levels.

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<v Sam>We'll send you a postcard. We'll send you a mug.

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<v Sam>We'll send you talking about you on the show and ringing a bell.

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<v Sam>Well, speaking of sending mugs, by now Pete should have his mug.

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<v Sam>And I replaced my mug. My old one had cracked a long time ago,

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<v Sam>so I'm using it to hold pens or something.

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<v Ivan>Well, mine's fine.

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<v Sam>And so I ordered a brand new one. The new ones are different.

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<v Sam>So if you have the originals, I just splashed water on myself out of my mug.

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<v Ivan>That's very good.

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<v Sam>The originals included a thing that said what our Facebook version of Reconvention Corner page is.

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<v Sam>I took that out. so that if you've got the original mug collector's item oh

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<v Sam>it's gonna be worth millions it's.

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<v Ivan>Gonna part of my retirement fund.

02:08:46.130 --> 02:08:52.030
<v Sam>Because the new ones the new ones only have our our web address curmudgeon-corner.com

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<v Sam>not anything mentioning facebook so yeah so if you have the old one.

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<v Ivan>My retirement is set thank you for reminding me to make sure that i i i saved

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<v Ivan>that yes absolutely Absolutely.

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<v Sam>You know, keep that under glass

02:09:06.670 --> 02:09:11.510
<v Sam>and you know, one day it'll be worth millions, millions for that mug.

02:09:12.130 --> 02:09:13.770
<v Ivan>Millions, millions, millions.

02:09:14.690 --> 02:09:19.930
<v Sam>Exactly. So anyway, at $2 a month or more on the Patreon,

02:09:20.010 --> 02:09:23.790
<v Sam>or if you just ask us, we will invite you to the curmudgeons course Slack where

02:09:23.790 --> 02:09:29.050
<v Sam>Yvonne and I are chatting throughout the whatever and doing the whatever and

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<v Sam>with a lot of listeners and blah, blah, blah. So Yvonne, what's the article.

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<v Ivan>Whatever, with a whatever, the thing and the thing?

02:09:35.710 --> 02:09:36.430
<v Sam>The thing and the thing.

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<v Ivan>Okay, yes, of course.

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<v Sam>And yes. So, so Yvonne, what's the highlight of the week from the slack?

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<v Ivan>Uh, there's a Vermont lawmaker that apologizes for repeatedly drenching a colleague's bag.

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<v Ivan>So amazingly, oh my God, are you surprised?

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<v Ivan>Wait, what do you think? The lawmaker that was dumping the water into the colleague,

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<v Ivan>Republican or Democrat? What do you think?

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<v Sam>Vermont, you said, right?

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>A Sanders Democrat. No, of course it was a Republican. what you would i don't

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<v Sam>i didn't i didn't even read the article i know it's a republican come on.

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<v Ivan>It's a fucking republic i mean this this fucking bag of shit and for some reason

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<v Ivan>for no you know was just going and every time would walk up to this person's

02:10:29.960 --> 02:10:36.120
<v Ivan>bag and just dump a fucking glass of water in it just to be a shit and.

02:10:36.120 --> 02:10:40.040
<v Sam>Specifically you said it's a mega republican which is most of of them now but

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<v Sam>still like yes because this is the whole ethos now of like what acceptable behavior

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<v Sam>is in the republican party.

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<v Ivan>Mother fucking hell i got one that's talking about the 10 commandments and every

02:10:54.060 --> 02:10:58.660
<v Ivan>school is jerking off her fucking boyfriend and i'm in a damn play okay and

02:10:58.660 --> 02:11:03.620
<v Ivan>she's talking about having the fucking 10 commandments at every fucking school what the and.

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<v Sam>Didn't you Didn't you share an article? I did not click through.

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<v Sam>Somebody was chasing a stripper or something, too.

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<v Ivan>Yes, that was another Republican. Yes, there was this guy who,

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<v Ivan>let's see, what the heck was it?

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<v Ivan>Here he is.

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<v Ivan>Michigan GOP State Representative Neil Frisk arrested after alleged altercation

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<v Ivan>with a stripper involving a firearm.

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<v Ivan>Michigan State Rep Neil Frisk was arrested early Thursday morning after he reportedly

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<v Ivan>chased a stripper with a gun after a disagreement the two had.

02:11:38.900 --> 02:11:43.420
<v Ivan>And, you know, let me tell you something. I have experience with strippers.

02:11:43.580 --> 02:11:48.320
<v Ivan>My wife knows this, so this is not a secret. I can tell you something that if

02:11:48.320 --> 02:11:51.960
<v Ivan>you're having to chase your stripper with a gun, you're doing it wrong.

02:11:52.580 --> 02:11:53.060
<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>Good God almighty. The hell.

02:11:57.760 --> 02:12:03.780
<v Sam>The hell. Okay. And with that, we will end the show.

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<v Sam>Thank you. Every for the, the, the, the, thank you everyone.

02:12:08.020 --> 02:12:08.500
<v Ivan>Exactly.

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<v Sam>Yes. Thank you everyone for joining us as usual. Have a good week. Stay safe. Have fun.

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<v Sam>Blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah and we're gonna wrap it up goodbye bye,

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<v Sam>and with that I'm going to hit stop bye Yvonne have a nice night alright.

