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<v Sam>Hello, Mr. Bo.

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<v Ivan>Hello.

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<v Sam>Are you happily back from all your travels?

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<v Ivan>Happily? I'm back.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I understand.

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<v Ivan>Happily.

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<v Sam>Happily ever backily.

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<v Ivan>Happily ever backily. There you go. There it goes. There is your title.

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<v Sam>Title shall we uh just uh crank her up and go uh-huh here we go wait wait i

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<v Sam>almost forgot an important button here we go,

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<v Sam>Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, June 15th, 2024.

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<v Sam>It's just after 2 UTC as we're starting to record.

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<v Sam>I am Sam Mentor, and for the first time in like years, Yvonne Bo is back. Hello, Yvonne.

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<v Ivan>Years. In a couple of weeks. Hello.

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<v Sam>Yes, yes. We had a good time with Bruce and then Pete while you were gone, but now we got you back.

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<v Ivan>Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i heard you complaining about me being absent but in my defense i.

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<v Sam>Was i was teasing not really complaining.

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<v Ivan>In my in my defense i have looked up stats okay so according to this year yeah

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<v Ivan>i have slept at a hotel let me see how many nights i had it right here here we go Oh, where'd you go?

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<v Ivan>Nights this year. You're already to 41.

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<v Ivan>43 nights in a hotel.

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<v Sam>Out of how many so far this year? How many days?

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<v Ivan>I mean, well, I mean, there's, it's about a hundred and what?

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<v Ivan>Uh, 50 days. I'm going to guess 60 days, 160 days.

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<v Sam>Day one 67 day one 67.

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<v Ivan>So I've spent about, I've spent about a third 25 to 30. already what did you

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<v Ivan>say 43 days 40 40 hang on 43 nights at a hotel that's that's 25.7.

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<v Sam>Percent of the time since the year began.

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<v Ivan>Yeah slept at a hotel so yeah it's been a job you know oh thank you it's been

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<v Ivan>it's been a lot of nights and i've been out of town,

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<v Ivan>You know, I, I looked up last year total.

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<v Ivan>I think I maybe spent like less than 20.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, that's right. Less than 20 last year.

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<v Ivan>And, and I, we're not even, yeah. And I mean, more than doubled in,

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<v Ivan>in five and a half months.

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<v Sam>Yeah.

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<v Ivan>I mean, so.

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<v Sam>20 was all of last year.

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<v Ivan>All of last year.

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<v Sam>Not, not just up to this point of last year.

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<v Ivan>Right. That was all of last year. you know so i i'm oh so any.

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<v Sam>Anyway folks our plan for the day is as usual we're going to do a but first

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<v Sam>yvonne's going to do something non-newsy i'm going to do something non-newsy

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<v Sam>and then we'll have a couple news related segments after that that yvonne will

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<v Sam>pick the first one i will pick the second one there we go.

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<v Ivan>And a couple of occasions that i was traveling you know i think some of you

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<v Ivan>that have listened to the podcast for whatever the hell damn reasons we had

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<v Ivan>a lot of technical issues oh your.

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<v Sam>Your connections sucked whenever you were traveling.

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<v Ivan>Oh my god i mean it was just bad i mean you know on several occasions i mean

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<v Ivan>there was one you know there you know on a couple of them i couldn't even be

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<v Ivan>there for the finish i mean say i'm

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<v Ivan>at the finish by himself because kept disconnecting so many times story.

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<v Sam>Of my life.

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<v Ivan>Yeah well no so um so anyway you know i i so i i i don't know so what what's

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<v Ivan>going on uh what's so what what do.

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<v Sam>You want your but first to be this time yvonne.

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<v Ivan>My butt first you have.

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<v Sam>A interesting thing to talk about that's not particularly newsy i'm just re

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<v Sam>repeating how this usually works because i'm sure you've forgotten by now.

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<v Ivan>Trying to remember what's happened news where the hell is i was in anything you.

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<v Sam>Did guatemala and then you did disney right.

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<v Ivan>Well i'll talk about something that is just it's not like general news but it

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<v Ivan>is kind of it's it's it's well it's it's personal newsy because no you know

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<v Ivan>okay nobody really cares about puerto rican elections okay all right yeah those

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<v Ivan>puerto Puerto Ricans care about the elections.

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<v Ivan>I mean, it's not like, you know, it doesn't really impact.

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<v Sam>Are you guys a state yet?

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<v Ivan>Nope. So independent. Nope.

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<v Ivan>So anyway, one of the things that so Puerto Rico had primaries recently.

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<v Ivan>Okay. And.

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<v Ivan>You know, the incumbent governor was primary, okay?

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<v Ivan>The incumbent governor came to office in a really circuitous way.

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<v Sam>Circuitous?

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<v Ivan>Yes. Because there was a governor from their party that was governor up until,

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<v Ivan>like, 2019 when he was forced to resign because of a massive scandal involving

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<v Ivan>a Telegram account that had a chat between him and his high school buddies in

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<v Ivan>which he basically disparaged just about everybody.

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<v Sam>Okay.

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<v Ivan>In very sophomoric terms. Homophobic terms.

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<v Ivan>Transphobic terms. I mean, misogynist terms. I mean, every, which every,

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<v Ivan>which, you know, is, you know, you know, racist, you know, misogynist,

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<v Ivan>whatever, you know, all the bad ists.

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<v Sam>They, they were misbehaving in the group chat or whatever.

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<v Ivan>Oh my God. And, but he, it's not like he was a passive, you know,

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<v Ivan>it's not like he was on a chat where other people just said stuff or whatever.

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<v Ivan>He was an active participant saying this kind of stuff.

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<v Ivan>So he was forced to resign

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<v Ivan>for according to the

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<v Ivan>law he had appointed this person that's currently governor as his

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<v Ivan>replacement because something in the

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<v Ivan>line of succession where the people that were in line also had previously resigned

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<v Ivan>nice okay so the secretary of

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<v Ivan>state was it was it was a mess and then it went to the supreme court the.

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<v Sam>Puerto rican supreme court.

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<v Ivan>So the puerto rican supreme court and it came

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<v Ivan>about that somebody else should be

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<v Ivan>governor and not this guy so after a very short amount of time he had to step

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<v Ivan>down and this person wound up being governor then he ran for election he did

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<v Ivan>win but the percentage of the vote that he got was like 30 some odd percent

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<v Ivan>and so you You don't need a majority. You didn't need a runoff. It was, you know.

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<v Sam>You just need the plurality and you win. And there were like a whole bunch of candidates.

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<v Ivan>And it was a big split. Okay. Okay.

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<v Ivan>And so he was governor. He has not been very popular.

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<v Ivan>I was trying to understand why that has been.

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<v Ivan>And a lot of the stuff came back that he was just and I can see it now that he was just very not.

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<v Ivan>How do I say empathetic with the plight and the problems that the Puerto Ricans had? OK. OK.

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<v Ivan>Um, and so he lost the primary as the incumbent to some, you know,

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<v Ivan>so, so he got, you know, here's the interesting part.

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<v Ivan>The polls leading up to the primary showed that supposedly he had a,

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<v Ivan>I mean, it wasn't a huge lead, but it should have been above the margin of error. Okay.

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<v Sam>Okay. So it is a big enough lead that you, you're not like it's close.

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<v Ivan>Big enough in the lead that he should have won okay but not only did he lose

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<v Ivan>he lost big okay it was it was over 10 points yet.

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<v Sam>Another big pulling error i.

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<v Ivan>Know and that's yeah and i mean it was like it was a big miss and not just that

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<v Ivan>turnout was terrible okay it's just turnout was awful,

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<v Ivan>And so it was just one of those that just smacked you in the face.

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<v Ivan>I'm like, what the hell, man?

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<v Ivan>I mean, it's just, you know, you get this turnout that is just so bad.

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<v Ivan>I mean, compared to the previous primaries.

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<v Ivan>And hell, I think if I remember, the previous primaries were ran right there during COVID.

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<v Ivan>And this one had worse turnout.

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<v Sam>Okay. Yeah. No.

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<v Ivan>So it was, it was pretty bad.

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<v Ivan>One thing that has weighed on everybody has been the situation with the electric grid.

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<v Ivan>There's a massive power outage again this week. Okay.

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<v Sam>This is still ding ding.

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<v Ivan>This is my phone telling me to go to sleep.

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<v Sam>That this is still stuff that's never been fully fixed after the hurricane a few years back.

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<v Ivan>Yeah. Yeah, but a big reason for that is because even though Congress had authorized

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<v Ivan>a lot of funding for Reconstruction,

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<v Ivan>very little has been spent so far.

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<v Ivan>I mean, this is like seven years later. And a big part of that was because during

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<v Ivan>the Trump administration, he had blocked a lot of it from being spent.

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<v Ivan>Usually by, you know, three or four years, he would have gotten it done.

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<v Ivan>There's been a lot of changes also in the structure of the electric company

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<v Ivan>in Puerto Rico, because there was a discovery of this massive fraud for which.

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<v Ivan>Nobody seemed to have gone to jail about related to the purchase of overpriced

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<v Ivan>oil from Brazil that was above market price,

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<v Ivan>but that also did not meet federal clean air standards and that they were faking

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<v Ivan>the certificates for it.

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<v Sam>Beautiful. Beautiful.

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<v Ivan>And this was in the tune of billions of dollars, which contributed to the bankruptcy

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<v Ivan>of Puerto in Puerto Rico as well.

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<v Ivan>It's because Puerto Rico is going through a bankruptcy process right now,

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<v Ivan>still that supervised by a board of oversight appointed by, by,

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<v Ivan>by, I think it's the president was the main person that disappointed people to the board.

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<v Ivan>I thought that was a law authorized by Congress because Puerto Rico did not

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<v Ivan>fall under like municipalities can file for bankruptcy,

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<v Ivan>but not, but, But a state can't file for bankruptcy or a territory.

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<v Ivan>And so this is what this has become, where it's just been a complete shush show.

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<v Ivan>I did speak to people where finally they are putting these plans together to

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<v Ivan>finally spend a lot of this money on the electrical grid.

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<v Ivan>But look, they have this massive power outage again, like recently and during the primaries.

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<v Ivan>There was a massive power outage the day of the primaries. the counting took

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<v Ivan>several days which shouldn't have taken several days but it did,

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<v Ivan>and people are deeply unhappy there there there is one funny like aside so you

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<v Ivan>know we're talking about ai right and oh.

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<v Sam>Were we yeah oh okay yep.

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<v Ivan>We've you know we've talked about it a few times on the show over the last...

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<v Sam>And we may well do so again. It's one of the potential topics.

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<v Ivan>Right. And so it's been a subject that we've talked about.

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<v Sam>It keeps coming up.

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<v Ivan>It keeps coming up. And so there is this comedian in Puerto Rico that I don't know what tools he...

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<v Ivan>What AI tools he is using, but I've seen him play for a couple of months with

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<v Ivan>every time some event happens, him creating some parody of it using AI tools. Okay.

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<v Sam>All right.

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<v Ivan>And he's created videos. And one of the things I think I mentioned that he made

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<v Ivan>a video where there are a lot of people in it and the videos are very spooky.

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<v Ivan>On our Slack, we had shared a video of like AI making videos,

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<v Ivan>I think it was a beer commercial.

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<v Sam>Oh yeah. That was, that one was like a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Ivan>But it's been like a, but, but, but that it's just when a lot of people were

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<v Ivan>involved, they started doing AI, had to do a lot of really odd stuff.

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<v Ivan>Okay. So he did some videos before where there was like, well,

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<v Ivan>what are the things that happened? There was, there was talking about the power.

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<v Ivan>There was, they had, I've never heard of this before anywhere.

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<v Ivan>Where they were having an influencers awards night okay.

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<v Sam>Yes yes they do have those things.

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<v Ivan>They do okay i i didn't know

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<v Ivan>this and they had it at this theater they were

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<v Ivan>they were scheduling it at this very old theater from

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<v Ivan>was it the streamies no no

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<v Ivan>no this was a local one in puerto rico i don't know what

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<v Ivan>the hell they called it okay okay and so

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<v Ivan>but they were going to do it at this theater that

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<v Ivan>dates back to to spanish colonial times

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<v Ivan>there is this really cool theater in san

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<v Ivan>juan that i've been to for events it's

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<v Ivan>it's it's really nice but it's a it's a small interesting

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<v Ivan>location it was i mean it's

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<v Ivan>the theater is about it was inaugurated

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<v Ivan>in 1832 to give perspective okay so it's you

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<v Ivan>know this was like a couple of hundred year old theater okay and

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<v Ivan>they were going gonna do the this you know influencer night

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<v Ivan>thing whatever well when they got there the

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<v Ivan>event was gonna start there was a power outage so they couldn't have the event

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<v Ivan>now there was a whole bunch of videos posted online and so he made this comedic

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<v Ivan>video that showed like all these people at this theater and uh influencers dressed

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<v Ivan>in like garb from like 200 years ago.

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<v Ivan>And just just making fun of it so this weekend he produced a whole bunch of parody songs,

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<v Ivan>using these tools and one thing the songs were hilarious and i realized that

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<v Ivan>he said look guys you know i don't know what's going to happen with ai but i'll

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<v Ivan>say this i was able to produce,

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<v Ivan>it took me a couple of years one time to produce an album i was able to produce

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<v Ivan>eight songs in a weekend you no no not this guy the the guy that's making the parodies oh.

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<v Sam>Okay i got i got confused at some point thought you were talking about yourself.

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<v Ivan>No don't no not me no so this guy that made

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<v Ivan>the parody video before of the of the yeah yeah

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<v Ivan>yeah yeah was able to make eight videos making

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<v Ivan>fun of the political situation and the

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<v Ivan>song and the music or whatever whatever that were really original okay

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<v Ivan>but he used it using all these ai tools and they were hilarious so maybe this

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<v Ivan>is what you know i know a lot of people are scared of what the eye is but i

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<v Ivan>saw that i mean what he said is his productivity of doing this kind of shit it's like skyrocketed,

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<v Ivan>and and the content was original it wasn't you know it wasn't a recycling of

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<v Ivan>like shit that you You just saw copy-pasted from other places.

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<v Sam>Although the way those tend to work is like the way it's put together into the

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<v Sam>new thing isn't recycled, but the style of some of the elements maybe is.

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<v Ivan>Well, I think the one thing is, you know, it's you pick the thing is,

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<v Ivan>I really see it more a lot like.

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<v Ivan>What he was talking is, look, I'm the guy who picked, you know,

00:17:03.901 --> 00:17:07.301
<v Ivan>I want to create it this way, right?

00:17:07.401 --> 00:17:13.141
<v Ivan>This is what I want it to look like. This is, I maybe I will write the song,

00:17:13.781 --> 00:17:20.241
<v Ivan>but it will help me, you know, make multiple instruments at once and make it,

00:17:20.241 --> 00:17:22.821
<v Ivan>do it faster and a whole bunch of stuff. And yeah, yeah.

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<v Ivan>Click you to videos and give, Hey, I want the graphics to look like from this

00:17:27.541 --> 00:17:33.441
<v Ivan>era and from this. And, And it just made it happen a lot faster.

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<v Sam>Yes.

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<v Ivan>So, yeah. So he was...

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<v Sam>Well, and just to, like, not to get into the whole AI discussion,

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<v Sam>maybe we save that for later if we end up talking about Apple. I don't know if we will.

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<v Ivan>But I just thought... But Puerto Rico, the whole thing... To circle the whole thing.

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<v Ivan>The thing is that Puerto Rico has had a rich history of, like,

00:17:52.081 --> 00:17:59.301
<v Ivan>very funny political satire and parody. And I remember that there were these shows.

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<v Ivan>There was an hour and a half show that I used to watch every week.

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<v Ivan>It was just making fun of politicians from every party of everything and whatnot or whatever.

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<v Ivan>And this guy is from that vein. vein

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<v Ivan>and he he he really has

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<v Ivan>you know i was just seeing all these

00:18:17.361 --> 00:18:20.521
<v Ivan>videos he's been producing the last couple of weeks just making fun of

00:18:20.521 --> 00:18:23.321
<v Ivan>what happened to the primary and the power outage the thing

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<v Ivan>into whatever and they've been

00:18:26.181 --> 00:18:29.181
<v Ivan>hilarious you know but but i will

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<v Ivan>say that what he's discussing with my wife is that

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<v Ivan>man i mean and and it's just they're

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<v Ivan>just just i find it

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<v Ivan>that the videos that we do

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<v Ivan>in puerto rico for this are a lot i find them so much

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<v Ivan>funnier than almost any content i've seen even in the u

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<v Ivan>has to do this stuff and it's it's the thing is that i think that the parody

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<v Ivan>is done the guys used to have the slogan we try to offend everybody equally

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<v Ivan>so the one thing that they were trying to do is that they weren't doing it so

00:19:01.841 --> 00:19:05.101
<v Ivan>So if you're one from one party, you would be offended when not.

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<v Ivan>It doesn't matter which he was making fun of Party X.

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<v Ivan>But even if part of Party X, you saw it and you were like, oh,

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<v Ivan>my God, this is so hilarious.

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<v Ivan>You know, I think, and that's the thing that I think is the,

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<v Ivan>the, the theme I like about the political satire that it's not,

00:19:20.775 --> 00:19:24.775
<v Ivan>you know, the stupid, like, let's go Brandon stuff or whatever,

00:19:24.835 --> 00:19:27.415
<v Ivan>not like this. That is really, truly insulting to a guy.

00:19:27.515 --> 00:19:30.315
<v Ivan>It's something that even if you were a Democrat, you saw this,

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<v Ivan>you'd be like, like, oh my God, this is hilarious.

00:19:34.275 --> 00:19:40.055
<v Ivan>So I think that is the, the healthier part of the, of the political thing.

00:19:40.055 --> 00:19:46.815
<v Ivan>So yeah, so AI making satire and I'm seeing these guys just doing this shit

00:19:46.815 --> 00:19:48.855
<v Ivan>so, so, so well, I was like, damn.

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<v Sam>Well, this, this, this relates to things that we've said before.

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<v Sam>I think Pete and I even covered this a little bit last week is that the,

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<v Sam>maybe I, I, all of this runs together in my head now I'm getting old,

00:20:00.915 --> 00:20:02.515
<v Sam>but like, tell me about it.

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<v Sam>But the thing is, the place where these things can sort of run wild right now

00:20:08.915 --> 00:20:11.735
<v Sam>is where truth doesn't matter.

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<v Sam>It's just being about being creative and putting things together.

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<v Sam>Because then, you know, no one's going to tell you, hey, in that skit you just

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<v Sam>did, this part was wrong.

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<v Sam>Or you got something factually incorrect.

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<v Ivan>Well, you're making a comedy skit, so the facts don't matter about this.

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<v Ivan>You're just making comedy.

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<v Sam>Right, exactly. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Ivan>So that's right.

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<v Sam>The place where AI still has lots and lots of issues is whether it matters if

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<v Sam>it's factually correct or not, you know?

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<v Ivan>Right. If it's creating a cheap comedy video, who cares?

00:20:47.755 --> 00:20:51.415
<v Ivan>But if it's trying to dispense medical advice, then, you know,

00:20:51.495 --> 00:20:53.675
<v Ivan>you want to be a little bit more careful.

00:20:54.295 --> 00:20:58.675
<v Sam>Maybe don't trust it when it says glue your cheese onto your pizza or whatever.

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<v Ivan>Gluing the cheese to the pizza just doesn't sound good.

00:21:03.257 --> 00:21:05.157
<v Ivan>How about gluing a cheese to my sandwich?

00:21:06.277 --> 00:21:09.577
<v Sam>Yes, go for it. And it's still useful.

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<v Sam>I once again, just yesterday, had ChatGPT help me with some simple scripting

00:21:18.257 --> 00:21:20.817
<v Sam>stuff I was using to monitor something on my computer.

00:21:21.097 --> 00:21:26.037
<v Sam>And I took a few iterations, but I got it to do exactly what I wanted a lot

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<v Sam>faster than if I was doing it by hand.

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<v Sam>You know and so yeah again it's like if

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<v Sam>there are certain domains where it's really good there's certain

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<v Sam>domains where it sucks the problem is when you try to get it to do the things

00:21:37.797 --> 00:21:42.017
<v Sam>it sucks at and the things that sucks out today it may be great at in a year

00:21:42.017 --> 00:21:47.597
<v Sam>or two years or three years but if you're figuring out what to do today you

00:21:47.597 --> 00:21:51.217
<v Sam>want to use it for the things it's actually good at today not things that could

00:21:51.217 --> 00:21:53.357
<v Sam>be good at in the future right.

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<v Ivan>Well i think that look the whole thing about this is just a you know to to wrap

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<v Ivan>it up a little bit since you know is that you,

00:22:04.477 --> 00:22:07.897
<v Ivan>using it for anything above

00:22:07.897 --> 00:22:15.357
<v Ivan>like an aid to you doing something right now is not really a good idea i mean

00:22:15.357 --> 00:22:20.097
<v Ivan>because it's just if you're using it to aid what you're doing and it's accelerating

00:22:20.097 --> 00:22:24.517
<v Ivan>your work which is what i saw with this guy i used it a little bit and it helped

00:22:24.517 --> 00:22:26.817
<v Ivan>me accelerate some work and some stuff, that's good.

00:22:26.897 --> 00:22:31.717
<v Ivan>But if you're just taking its output without any vetting, you're setting yourself for problems.

00:22:32.647 --> 00:22:36.387
<v Sam>Yes, absolutely. And of course, there are all the issues of like,

00:22:36.587 --> 00:22:41.467
<v Sam>you know, is it using training data without permission? And should they be doing that?

00:22:41.587 --> 00:22:46.607
<v Sam>And how much energy usage does this stuff take up? How much water does the stuff use?

00:22:46.787 --> 00:22:50.187
<v Sam>Because there's cooling and, you know, there are all kinds of issues associated with it.

00:22:50.267 --> 00:22:52.307
<v Ivan>Well, we could just melt the icebergs.

00:22:52.907 --> 00:23:00.407
<v Sam>That's for a different segment. So your segment started somehow in Puerto Rican politics. politics and.

00:23:00.407 --> 00:23:01.167
<v Ivan>It ended in ai.

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<v Sam>Ended in ai yes is it my turn yes okay so normally at this point i would do

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<v Sam>my next media thing and my next media thing is i finished house of cards the

00:23:15.927 --> 00:23:20.907
<v Sam>american version of house of cards all six seasons but i'm gonna save that for next week.

00:23:20.907 --> 00:23:22.187
<v Ivan>You know that i.

00:23:23.007 --> 00:23:26.387
<v Sam>Save it for next week save it for next week i got something else no.

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<v Ivan>No no no no no i was just going to mention that.

00:23:28.967 --> 00:23:29.907
<v Sam>Yes i'm.

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<v Ivan>Not going to talk about it is that i don't think i ever finished it i think

00:23:33.147 --> 00:23:34.787
<v Ivan>i didn't watch like the last season.

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<v Sam>Yeah you i remember you talking about this years ago you bailed out at a certain

00:23:40.187 --> 00:23:43.967
<v Sam>point i forget which season you bailed out at but we can talk about that next

00:23:43.967 --> 00:23:49.827
<v Sam>week yeah because i actually finished all six seasons but i have something else to talk about today.

00:23:49.827 --> 00:23:52.727
<v Ivan>Yeah which is you're pregnant.

00:23:52.727 --> 00:23:56.207
<v Sam>Yes i am pregnant how many months,

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<v Sam>i i three months i'm good you

00:23:59.827 --> 00:24:03.207
<v Sam>know due due in december good

00:24:03.207 --> 00:24:06.067
<v Sam>good so it'll it'll be great

00:24:06.067 --> 00:24:12.687
<v Sam>great great great we're welcoming a new addition to the family and yeah no no

00:24:12.687 --> 00:24:19.087
<v Sam>i am not pregnant neither is my wife no no as far as i know no one in my immediate

00:24:19.087 --> 00:24:23.647
<v Sam>family is pregnant okay okay you You know, we'll see.

00:24:23.747 --> 00:24:24.107
<v Ivan>Yeah, okay.

00:24:24.167 --> 00:24:32.107
<v Sam>But no, as far as I know, that has not happened. No. What I have to report on this time is...

00:24:33.183 --> 00:24:37.903
<v Sam>The Mac mini that I've been complaining about for years and years and years,

00:24:38.023 --> 00:24:41.163
<v Sam>it seems like anyway, I think it's like three years.

00:24:41.223 --> 00:24:41.963
<v Ivan>It's been years.

00:24:42.803 --> 00:24:47.383
<v Sam>I think it's three years. I think I got it in 2021, I think.

00:24:48.043 --> 00:24:53.783
<v Sam>And it was always significantly underpowered for my needs from the day I bought it.

00:24:53.803 --> 00:24:58.183
<v Sam>I bought it under duress because my iMac that I had before that died.

00:24:58.663 --> 00:25:01.863
<v Sam>We were in the middle of the pandemic. i did

00:25:01.863 --> 00:25:06.863
<v Sam>not have a lot of extra cash and everything was out of stock anyway so i got

00:25:06.863 --> 00:25:11.583
<v Sam>the absolute bottom line mac mini and i've been struggling with it ever since

00:25:11.583 --> 00:25:18.003
<v Sam>it is now on a shelf somewhere i am talking to you right now from a brand new

00:25:18.003 --> 00:25:19.743
<v Sam>computer and a brand new setup.

00:25:19.743 --> 00:25:27.583
<v Ivan>I i i was going to say i am like i i i was pretty sure that was the case because

00:25:27.583 --> 00:25:32.523
<v Ivan>you know unlike you guys i i could see them on video yeah and i could tell that

00:25:32.523 --> 00:25:35.103
<v Ivan>the video quality was substantially improved.

00:25:36.043 --> 00:25:38.663
<v Sam>It's the same camera that hasn't changed.

00:25:38.663 --> 00:25:42.263
<v Ivan>Well something is making it look better i mean

00:25:42.263 --> 00:25:46.983
<v Ivan>maybe it's because no no no i'm gonna tell you why i think it's because almost

00:25:46.983 --> 00:25:52.743
<v Ivan>most of the time before right now it is coming across blurry but most of the

00:25:52.743 --> 00:25:59.443
<v Ivan>time with your old computer the resolution Evolution would never get to full HD ever.

00:25:59.803 --> 00:26:03.903
<v Ivan>It always stayed at pixelated levels.

00:26:04.363 --> 00:26:10.363
<v Ivan>And all of a sudden, I've noticed that, wait a minute, he's looking crystal clear.

00:26:10.523 --> 00:26:14.623
<v Ivan>This never happened before. All I ever got to see was a blurry Sam at the other end.

00:26:15.323 --> 00:26:18.683
<v Sam>I've made a number of changes because I not only upgraded the computer,

00:26:18.823 --> 00:26:21.443
<v Sam>I upgraded my whole new setup. I have a new desk.

00:26:21.723 --> 00:26:27.683
<v Sam>It's one of these standing desks that moves up and down. I got extra monitors.

00:26:27.803 --> 00:26:33.443
<v Sam>So I am back in a three 27 inch monitor situation for the first time in many

00:26:33.443 --> 00:26:36.483
<v Sam>years since even before the last computer died.

00:26:37.123 --> 00:26:44.303
<v Sam>All kinds of things. So I am very happy. I'm very thrilled. I did not get a Mac studio.

00:26:45.183 --> 00:26:53.023
<v Sam>I got a MacBook Pro with a nice little docking setup and everything else.

00:26:53.023 --> 00:26:58.183
<v Sam>So that like I'm running it in clamshell mode with the three big monitors and

00:26:58.183 --> 00:27:00.043
<v Sam>a keyboard and a mouse and all that right now.

00:27:00.703 --> 00:27:06.123
<v Sam>And like 90% of the time I've been doing that, but like now I have the flexibility.

00:27:06.343 --> 00:27:10.163
<v Sam>On a few occasions, I've picked up the computer, I've gone somewhere else in

00:27:10.163 --> 00:27:15.303
<v Sam>the house and I can do that, which I could not do with the desktop scenario. It has been.

00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Sam>About 20 years since the last time I had a laptop. I think it was actually like

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Sam>18 and a half or something like that.

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:29.380
<v Sam>Since I switched from a laptop to an iMac and I've been on iMacs ever since

00:27:29.380 --> 00:27:32.180
<v Sam>until I had the Mac mini, but I'm at bat.

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Sam>I've had laptops for work, of course, but for home, my, my theory was always,

00:27:36.780 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Sam>I've got a laptop for work.

00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Sam>So at home, I'll go with the desktop. but this

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.780
<v Sam>time I decided to go ahead with the the laptop there

00:27:45.780 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Sam>were two reasons for that one at this exact

00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:54.760
<v Sam>moment in time the the MacBook Pros have a newer chipset than the studios did

00:27:54.760 --> 00:27:59.280
<v Sam>and they've been refreshed more recently yes plus the portability like I said

00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:03.700
<v Sam>I really I really like had been thinking about it a lot and there were a number

00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:08.780
<v Sam>of scenarios where I wanted to like just I had stuff to do,

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:14.060
<v Sam>but I didn't want to like go up to my office and do it. I wanted to sit in the

00:28:14.060 --> 00:28:14.900
<v Sam>living room or something.

00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.020
<v Sam>And I was like, you know, and I didn't want to use my work computer because

00:28:18.020 --> 00:28:24.080
<v Sam>like, well, theoretically I can and have sometimes done personal stuff on my work computer.

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.700
<v Sam>I would rather avoid it, you know?

00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:34.560
<v Sam>So I got that and I didn't completely max out the MacBook pro because I couldn't,

00:28:34.560 --> 00:28:38.600
<v Sam>I I couldn't really say I needed the absolute top end options.

00:28:38.780 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Sam>So for instance, I did get the 16 inch and I did get the, the,

00:28:45.820 --> 00:28:50.580
<v Sam>the M three max version and with 16 core CPU,

00:28:50.860 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Sam>40 core GPU, 16 core neural neural engine, all that.

00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.500
<v Sam>I did the mid range memory. So 64 gigabytes. I,

00:29:00.064 --> 00:29:03.564
<v Sam>64 gigabytes i couldn't justify 128 i was like i don't know.

00:29:03.564 --> 00:29:05.144
<v Ivan>No you don't.

00:29:05.144 --> 00:29:08.804
<v Sam>You know and i did the big

00:29:08.804 --> 00:29:12.844
<v Sam>thing i splurged on is i got the four terabyte ssd and

00:29:12.844 --> 00:29:16.024
<v Sam>those things are fucking expensive on the internal built-in ones

00:29:16.024 --> 00:29:18.864
<v Sam>oh yeah i i did not go for

00:29:18.864 --> 00:29:22.084
<v Sam>the eight terabyte ssd i did not determine

00:29:22.084 --> 00:29:24.944
<v Sam>that was necessary but i really wanted the

00:29:24.944 --> 00:29:28.624
<v Sam>four because like my my imac

00:29:28.624 --> 00:29:32.204
<v Sam>from years ago had a three terabyte fusion drive and

00:29:32.204 --> 00:29:35.264
<v Sam>i was always filling that sucker up

00:29:35.264 --> 00:29:41.504
<v Sam>and like i've lived since then the built-in drive on the stupid mini was only

00:29:41.504 --> 00:29:49.324
<v Sam>like 256 like not even terabytes gigabytes and then i moved to a one terabyte

00:29:49.324 --> 00:29:54.744
<v Sam>external and it always felt cramped And I'm like, I know I can fill two.

00:29:55.024 --> 00:30:05.824
<v Sam>I want to get enough that I'll have some headroom that I won't have to worry about this for a while.

00:30:06.204 --> 00:30:09.084
<v Sam>I will probably eventually have to worry.

00:30:09.164 --> 00:30:16.144
<v Sam>In fact, already, like, frankly, like, my photo library is bigger than four terabytes.

00:30:17.504 --> 00:30:20.284
<v Sam>So I'm still going to put that on an external drive.

00:30:20.484 --> 00:30:20.884
<v Ivan>Right.

00:30:20.884 --> 00:30:26.084
<v Sam>Uh, and, and so I have to like either put only, you know, the,

00:30:26.164 --> 00:30:29.684
<v Sam>the, the way, the way it works, you can keep most of it on iCloud and only put

00:30:29.684 --> 00:30:32.244
<v Sam>the local stuff, but I still want a local copy of everything.

00:30:32.544 --> 00:30:36.084
<v Sam>So I'll make sure I have a local drive with a local copy of everything so I

00:30:36.084 --> 00:30:37.164
<v Sam>can get it backed up, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:37.504 --> 00:30:41.104
<v Sam>Anyway, I got the four terabyte. I could not just to go from four terabytes

00:30:41.104 --> 00:30:43.604
<v Sam>to eight terabytes would be, would have been an extra $1,200.

00:30:45.024 --> 00:30:50.344
<v Sam>I couldn't, I mean, it's just the, the numbers are too big. I'm like,

00:30:50.404 --> 00:30:52.164
<v Sam>I could not justify doing that.

00:30:52.664 --> 00:30:57.044
<v Ivan>Yeah, no, no, no, no. It's just, it just starts getting out of control. No, I get it. Yeah.

00:30:57.584 --> 00:31:02.784
<v Sam>So I got the four terabyte SSD, which already was like a thousand bucks more

00:31:02.784 --> 00:31:06.284
<v Sam>than the base model, like then, then just having one terabyte.

00:31:06.624 --> 00:31:11.424
<v Sam>And I got the 64 gig and I've got it. You know, I had, I got.

00:31:12.312 --> 00:31:16.912
<v Sam>I had previously one 27-inch external monitor. I got two more.

00:31:17.772 --> 00:31:23.832
<v Sam>You know, I got the little moving up and down desk thing. I got a new desk chair.

00:31:24.292 --> 00:31:29.272
<v Sam>You know, I am thrilled. This was actually all in place when I talked to Pete last week.

00:31:29.532 --> 00:31:32.612
<v Sam>But I wanted to save it to talk to you about it, Yvonne.

00:31:32.672 --> 00:31:39.912
<v Sam>So I didn't mention it last week. Like, ah, but, and,

00:31:40.092 --> 00:31:43.392
<v Sam>you know, and I thought about trying to keep the Mac mini going in parallel

00:31:43.392 --> 00:31:48.652
<v Sam>to use as like a file server or something, but it was, it, it, it just has issues.

00:31:48.772 --> 00:31:51.792
<v Sam>It like, I, I could not trust it for anything.

00:31:52.032 --> 00:31:55.352
<v Ivan>There is something. Yeah. There, there is something wrong with it. Yes.

00:31:55.412 --> 00:31:59.592
<v Sam>I could not trust it. It crashes all the time. I haven't, I haven't been able

00:31:59.592 --> 00:32:03.752
<v Sam>to properly back up the external drives that were attached to it in a long time.

00:32:03.752 --> 00:32:07.412
<v Sam>And in fact, right now I'm having to deal with that because one of them failed

00:32:07.412 --> 00:32:13.272
<v Sam>and that stupid Mac mini had not successfully finished a full backup of it.

00:32:13.292 --> 00:32:14.072
<v Ivan>They'll call it.

00:32:14.252 --> 00:32:18.632
<v Sam>So I'm having to like figure out like, you know, disc recovery services and

00:32:18.632 --> 00:32:22.312
<v Sam>all that crap to try to get that stuff back, which is pissing me off by the way.

00:32:22.352 --> 00:32:24.832
<v Sam>But I'll let you know how that goes when that saga is over.

00:32:25.372 --> 00:32:27.512
<v Sam>But I am thrilled with this new

00:32:27.512 --> 00:32:31.652
<v Sam>thing. It feels like for the first time in years, I can freaking breathe.

00:32:32.192 --> 00:32:37.492
<v Sam>Breathe. Like I, I've got like all the windows up that I want and the thing is not struggling.

00:32:37.732 --> 00:32:41.432
<v Sam>It is not telling me I'm out of application memory twice a day.

00:32:41.712 --> 00:32:45.012
<v Sam>I, I do not have to reboot the damn thing.

00:32:45.052 --> 00:32:50.352
<v Sam>And like, I know, like I use my computer in a way that lots of people don't.

00:32:50.352 --> 00:32:53.492
<v Sam>I always have a, you know, a whole bunch of applications open.

00:32:53.572 --> 00:32:56.192
<v Sam>My browser has hundreds of tabs open.

00:32:56.332 --> 00:32:58.392
<v Sam>I often have multiple browsers.

00:32:58.752 --> 00:33:03.332
<v Sam>I've got all kinds of stuff going on. I know I, use this in a way that is heavier

00:33:03.332 --> 00:33:07.052
<v Sam>than lots of people use it, but that Mini just could not handle it.

00:33:07.452 --> 00:33:11.172
<v Sam>The base model Mini with only eight.

00:33:11.934 --> 00:33:15.054
<v Sam>Gigabytes of ram and you know

00:33:15.054 --> 00:33:17.994
<v Sam>a single terabyte once i had

00:33:17.994 --> 00:33:21.794
<v Sam>moved to an external drive and and a slow comparatively slow

00:33:21.794 --> 00:33:25.414
<v Sam>chip and blah blah blah i mean it was an m1 but still

00:33:25.414 --> 00:33:29.154
<v Sam>it was i it was car

00:33:29.154 --> 00:33:32.014
<v Sam>it was a constant struggle almost since the day

00:33:32.014 --> 00:33:35.194
<v Sam>i bought the damn thing and in recent months

00:33:35.194 --> 00:33:38.534
<v Sam>it it was just getting super super annoying and

00:33:38.534 --> 00:33:41.934
<v Sam>i was holding my breath till the day that my company

00:33:41.934 --> 00:33:44.834
<v Sam>provided the next set of stock options which happened at

00:33:44.834 --> 00:33:49.374
<v Sam>the end of may and like essentially as

00:33:49.374 --> 00:33:55.174
<v Sam>soon as that happened i was like okay ordering i'm i'm ordering and so i'm thrilled

00:33:55.174 --> 00:34:00.614
<v Sam>i like i i loaded up the latest version of the x-plane 12 flight simulator and

00:34:00.614 --> 00:34:07.954
<v Sam>it like it's smooth as butter like on on any old computers that i'd tried previous versions of the

00:34:07.994 --> 00:34:12.154
<v Sam>flight simulator on to get it to run in a decent way at all.

00:34:12.214 --> 00:34:16.054
<v Sam>I'd had to turn down all the graphic options and all this kind of stuff.

00:34:16.094 --> 00:34:17.794
<v Sam>This was like default options.

00:34:18.514 --> 00:34:22.134
<v Sam>Everything go nice. It's smooth. It's pretty.

00:34:22.734 --> 00:34:26.314
<v Sam>I'm driving three monitors off this thing. If I feel like it,

00:34:26.354 --> 00:34:30.054
<v Sam>I can open the lid of the MacBook and be operating on four monitors.

00:34:30.374 --> 00:34:32.814
<v Sam>Although I've found like I did that for a little while and I was like,

00:34:32.874 --> 00:34:37.634
<v Sam>you know, almost all the time three is good. but that fourth one ends up being

00:34:37.634 --> 00:34:39.954
<v Sam>extra every once in a while.

00:34:40.034 --> 00:34:43.594
<v Sam>If I have something that I'm really want it for, I can open it up and have the

00:34:43.594 --> 00:34:44.594
<v Sam>fourth one and it's fine.

00:34:45.114 --> 00:34:50.674
<v Sam>The one annoying thing I found is that this is a, a Thunderbolt limitation.

00:34:50.814 --> 00:34:58.794
<v Sam>I understand from the ports, like each Thunderbolt, each Thunderbolt cable can

00:34:58.794 --> 00:35:00.074
<v Sam>only drive two of these monitors.

00:35:00.234 --> 00:35:00.514
<v Ivan>Yeah.

00:35:00.514 --> 00:35:03.914
<v Sam>So like I have to plug in with two monitors to get all three.

00:35:03.914 --> 00:35:09.594
<v Sam>I plug in with two cables to get all three monitors or a fourth or a fifth.

00:35:09.694 --> 00:35:11.234
<v Sam>I think it can drive up to six.

00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:15.900
<v Sam>External monitors. I don't need six external monitors. I'm not doing that.

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Sam>But the three is awesome.

00:35:18.020 --> 00:35:22.500
<v Sam>I got several years back, I had a three monitor setup and I was really happy

00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:23.680
<v Sam>and really thrilled with it.

00:35:23.720 --> 00:35:29.240
<v Sam>And then for various reasons, I ended up going back down to two and the mini could only do two.

00:35:29.240 --> 00:35:33.460
<v Sam>And it was this again, it feels like I can freaking breathe again,

00:35:33.600 --> 00:35:39.900
<v Sam>like I can use my computer and do all the things I want to without it complaining,

00:35:40.180 --> 00:35:44.700
<v Sam>without it crashing, without it like slowing to a crawl. all.

00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:48.240
<v Sam>I mean, with the, with the old system, sometimes like, you know,

00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Sam>I I'd flip windows and I'd have to wait five seconds for it to catch up with me and I'd type.

00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:55.120
<v Sam>And sometimes I'd have to wait for it to catch up with me.

00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:59.980
<v Sam>And I know like if I'd, if I'd closed everything and done one thing at a time,

00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:04.940
<v Sam>maybe it would have been okay, but it wasn't. So anyway, I am.

00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, you, I mean, you were making do for a while because,

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Ivan>you know, there were circumstances stances that that forced that you

00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.420
<v Ivan>know it happens i mean you know having to

00:36:14.420 --> 00:36:19.980
<v Ivan>drag it out for a bit until you know things you know it changed i i look but

00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:26.620
<v Ivan>even like that mac mini i still can't remember which you know one of the computers

00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:33.740
<v Ivan>you had in past years where if you went to boot up an application that.

00:36:33.740 --> 00:36:39.200
<v Sam>Was that that was the imac before the mac mini when it was dying like in In

00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:40.720
<v Sam>the last few months, I had it.

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:47.620
<v Ivan>Right. It would take like 30 minutes or something like that in order for a fucking

00:36:47.620 --> 00:36:50.160
<v Ivan>application to open or something like that.

00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.260
<v Sam>I had to know before we started the podcast.

00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:58.240
<v Sam>I had to plan like a couple hours in advance to reboot, reboot the computer

00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:03.040
<v Sam>and bring up like the three applications that I needed to have open while recording the show.

00:37:03.572 --> 00:37:07.912
<v Ivan>And the Mac mini, you know, to be fair, you know, was cheap. Okay.

00:37:08.052 --> 00:37:13.812
<v Sam>And it was, it was cheap and it got the job done. It was a little painful, but it got the job.

00:37:13.852 --> 00:37:18.812
<v Ivan>It got the job done. Definitely, you know, a lot better than that dying computer.

00:37:19.152 --> 00:37:25.852
<v Ivan>So, you know, I mean, I, I, I look at the last two computers I bought.

00:37:25.972 --> 00:37:30.192
<v Ivan>I, I didn't even, I wound up buying them because the previous computer just

00:37:30.192 --> 00:37:32.692
<v Ivan>both of them died suddenly on me.

00:37:32.992 --> 00:37:39.012
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, the Mac Mini that I immediately replaced with this was working

00:37:39.012 --> 00:37:40.952
<v Sam>immediately before I bought this.

00:37:41.012 --> 00:37:44.932
<v Sam>But about a month earlier, it had a near-death experience.

00:37:45.412 --> 00:37:50.332
<v Sam>Like, it crashed and would not come up.

00:37:50.332 --> 00:37:59.152
<v Sam>And I had to, I spent like something like 72 hours repeatedly trying to reinstall

00:37:59.152 --> 00:38:02.652
<v Sam>the operating system, trying to move to a new external drive,

00:38:03.052 --> 00:38:06.192
<v Sam>trying to like do all kinds of different things.

00:38:06.212 --> 00:38:09.432
<v Sam>And eventually, I don't know what combinations of things I did,

00:38:09.512 --> 00:38:14.752
<v Sam>but eventually I got it to come back, but it was really touch and go for a while there.

00:38:15.052 --> 00:38:18.012
<v Sam>So I'm glad it made it the extra like month and a half.

00:38:18.012 --> 00:38:23.692
<v Sam>But you know and like I said I was thinking about like trying to keep that around

00:38:23.692 --> 00:38:28.452
<v Sam>and do something else with it like mount all my external drives on that and

00:38:28.452 --> 00:38:32.292
<v Sam>never attach them to this thing and when push came to shove I was like.

00:38:32.987 --> 00:38:35.827
<v Sam>Fuck that i can't trust the old computer i can't

00:38:35.827 --> 00:38:38.507
<v Sam>like if i was going to do anything with it i'd have to

00:38:38.507 --> 00:38:41.467
<v Sam>like wipe it to factory state start over and then

00:38:41.467 --> 00:38:44.207
<v Sam>maybe use it for something really simple but i'm

00:38:44.207 --> 00:38:48.727
<v Sam>like you know i've got this nice docking setup i'll have the external drives

00:38:48.727 --> 00:38:52.727
<v Sam>i want hooked up to the dock when i plug in the computer i'll have access to

00:38:52.727 --> 00:38:56.007
<v Sam>all of them and i've actually haven't finished setting up everything on this

00:38:56.007 --> 00:39:01.507
<v Sam>like i'm i'm i've decided i'm going to systematically add these drives back one at a time,

00:39:01.627 --> 00:39:03.827
<v Sam>give them time to back up to the network,

00:39:04.107 --> 00:39:07.587
<v Sam>make sure everything's good, make sure everything's working properly.

00:39:07.767 --> 00:39:11.847
<v Sam>I'm going to take the ones that are nothing but archival stuff for my son and

00:39:11.847 --> 00:39:14.987
<v Sam>attach those, those drives to his computer instead of mine.

00:39:15.167 --> 00:39:16.347
<v Ivan>Now that's a good idea.

00:39:16.567 --> 00:39:20.267
<v Sam>Now that means he'll have like a crap load, extra drives.

00:39:20.287 --> 00:39:25.167
<v Sam>He'll have like 15, 20 drives attached to his computer, but let that hit be his problem.

00:39:25.267 --> 00:39:25.587
<v Ivan>Right.

00:39:25.707 --> 00:39:32.627
<v Sam>Uh, and in the And I will only attach the ones that I'm actually using for this computer onto this one.

00:39:32.847 --> 00:39:38.267
<v Sam>And like I said, I'm going to do it slowly. Like right now, Backblaze hasn't

00:39:38.267 --> 00:39:41.367
<v Sam>finished backing up my main system yet.

00:39:41.507 --> 00:39:44.647
<v Sam>So I'm not attaching the first external drive until that's all done.

00:39:44.827 --> 00:39:48.307
<v Sam>And it's actually having an issue where there are certain files that's having

00:39:48.307 --> 00:39:51.427
<v Sam>issues backing up and I'm sort of figuring those out one by one.

00:39:51.427 --> 00:39:57.827
<v Sam>I think it's like things that are in iCloud, but not locally downloaded to my computer.

00:39:58.047 --> 00:40:02.007
<v Sam>And it's getting confused by that because the state on my old,

00:40:02.107 --> 00:40:06.387
<v Sam>because it inherited the state from my old computer, but my old computer was confused.

00:40:06.707 --> 00:40:11.227
<v Sam>So I'm dealing with those issues one by one. And then once I have that all settled,

00:40:11.367 --> 00:40:15.387
<v Sam>then I'll attach the first one of these external drives and then I'll do that.

00:40:15.547 --> 00:40:18.427
<v Sam>And then I'll slowly work my way through them. And in the meantime,

00:40:18.527 --> 00:40:25.647
<v Sam>I have them all unplugged since there's no, no reliable new backup of a whole

00:40:25.647 --> 00:40:27.807
<v Sam>bunch of these. I'm just like, I'm unplugging them.

00:40:28.207 --> 00:40:31.407
<v Sam>I'm not doing anything with them until I'm ready.

00:40:31.507 --> 00:40:34.227
<v Sam>And then I will plug them in. And the first thing that's happening is they're

00:40:34.227 --> 00:40:38.707
<v Sam>getting a cloud backup, you know? So anyway, yeah, well.

00:40:38.887 --> 00:40:43.327
<v Ivan>Well, congratulations, Sam, you finally were able to get that new computer.

00:40:43.387 --> 00:40:45.667
<v Ivan>I know it'd been, uh, it'd been a while.

00:40:46.487 --> 00:40:50.367
<v Sam>Yeah, no, I am. I can breathe. I'm happy.

00:40:50.807 --> 00:40:56.067
<v Sam>The next project that I've also talked about here on the show is couches.

00:40:56.327 --> 00:41:00.287
<v Ivan>Oh, couches. Well, but that's a every two year thing that you mentioned.

00:41:00.967 --> 00:41:05.927
<v Sam>Yes. Yes. I, what I, after I talked to you and listed all the criteria of the

00:41:05.927 --> 00:41:10.747
<v Sam>new couches, I realized one of the other ones that had to be added to that list.

00:41:10.827 --> 00:41:14.327
<v Sam>I I've added a few since I talked about it on show, show, but one of the criteria

00:41:14.327 --> 00:41:21.967
<v Sam>I added was cheap enough that I won't blink or care if I have to replace it in only two years.

00:41:23.242 --> 00:41:30.122
<v Ivan>Well, I can see how that would be important. And I see Sam again in like crystal clear, like HD.

00:41:30.342 --> 00:41:33.142
<v Sam>Well, you're blurry though. Like you're blurry to me.

00:41:33.422 --> 00:41:37.442
<v Ivan>I don't know why the hell I'm blurry. Am I blurry most of the time to you?

00:41:37.522 --> 00:41:39.282
<v Ivan>Or am I, I mean, like right now you.

00:41:39.342 --> 00:41:41.422
<v Sam>You, you, you have been, you have been today.

00:41:41.622 --> 00:41:42.662
<v Ivan>I have been today.

00:41:43.022 --> 00:41:46.482
<v Sam>Every once in a while you come in clear, but, but not, not always.

00:41:46.602 --> 00:41:50.922
<v Sam>But today you're like, you're, you're blurry and you're freeze.

00:41:50.922 --> 00:41:55.622
<v Sam>And now of course i we're talking and like people listening to the show can't

00:41:55.622 --> 00:41:59.562
<v Sam>tell yeah i mean i guess your voice is blurry all the time well.

00:41:59.562 --> 00:42:00.482
<v Ivan>My i mean.

00:42:00.482 --> 00:42:00.882
<v Sam>I'm sure.

00:42:00.882 --> 00:42:02.582
<v Ivan>My voice is blurry all the time.

00:42:02.582 --> 00:42:05.102
<v Sam>I mean i don't i mean it sounds like.

00:42:05.102 --> 00:42:06.842
<v Ivan>I mean i should have a blurry voice.

00:42:06.842 --> 00:42:09.522
<v Sam>Yeah anyway and i did think a

00:42:09.522 --> 00:42:12.362
<v Sam>little bit about like what if they come out with new ones

00:42:12.362 --> 00:42:15.662
<v Sam>like right away oh fuck wwdc was

00:42:15.662 --> 00:42:18.822
<v Sam>coming up and like oh you can't it wasn't due

00:42:18.822 --> 00:42:22.982
<v Sam>for it wasn't due for macbook pro updates anyway they were you know they come

00:42:22.982 --> 00:42:27.582
<v Sam>in a little cadence and it it would it would have been surprising unfortunately

00:42:27.582 --> 00:42:31.502
<v Sam>but but wait wait here's the thing here's the thing at a certain point i was

00:42:31.502 --> 00:42:35.782
<v Sam>like i don't fucking care i need it i need it now if they come out next week

00:42:35.782 --> 00:42:37.542
<v Sam>i still need it fucking now i.

00:42:37.542 --> 00:42:41.122
<v Ivan>Mean that's been my issue the last couple of times i think you know when i got

00:42:41.122 --> 00:42:47.802
<v Ivan>like my imac like the one computer previous to this that I got it in 2018.

00:42:48.682 --> 00:42:51.822
<v Ivan>Right. Right. So I think it was 2017. Yeah.

00:42:52.332 --> 00:42:54.372
<v Ivan>2017 or 28 i think it was 2018.

00:42:54.372 --> 00:42:55.612
<v Sam>Yeah and.

00:42:55.612 --> 00:43:00.512
<v Ivan>It was like look i mean i can't i can't wait the other one's dead.

00:43:00.512 --> 00:43:01.092
<v Sam>Right i.

00:43:01.092 --> 00:43:06.552
<v Ivan>I i don't you know it's it's dead dead i mean it's you know i got home and it

00:43:06.552 --> 00:43:11.752
<v Ivan>was completely dead i mean there's just nothing that i could do about it you know so.

00:43:11.752 --> 00:43:14.672
<v Sam>Exactly right right now i'm looking

00:43:14.672 --> 00:43:20.212
<v Sam>at the the mac rumors buyers guide which i always go by for these things it's

00:43:20.212 --> 00:43:26.832
<v Sam>been 228 days since the last macbook pros were released which they put as neutral

00:43:26.832 --> 00:43:32.252
<v Sam>mid-product cycle because the average time between updates is 390 days so a

00:43:32.252 --> 00:43:34.632
<v Sam>little bit more than a year where's.

00:43:34.632 --> 00:43:36.372
<v Ivan>The mac studio on that uh.

00:43:36.372 --> 00:43:40.552
<v Sam>Wait wait hold on i'll tell you i'll tell you in a second the looking back at

00:43:40.552 --> 00:43:47.472
<v Sam>the last six well the last six releases of the macbook pro the longest time

00:43:47.472 --> 00:43:50.212
<v Sam>between releases was 705 days.

00:43:50.652 --> 00:43:55.512
<v Sam>The shortest time was only 176 days between updates.

00:43:55.872 --> 00:44:00.052
<v Sam>Like I would have been kind of pissed if like there was one that short year,

00:44:00.152 --> 00:44:03.392
<v Sam>like it's been 228 days and one comes out at 230.

00:44:03.832 --> 00:44:09.332
<v Sam>I mean, even so I needed the damn thing, but so I wouldn't have been that pissed.

00:44:09.492 --> 00:44:17.552
<v Sam>Okay. Mac studio, you asked, it has been 375 days since the last Mac studio release. least yeah.

00:44:17.552 --> 00:44:21.452
<v Ivan>So it would have been and so it would have been a bad moment to really pick up a mac studio.

00:44:21.452 --> 00:44:24.512
<v Sam>Yeah they recommend that as caution

00:44:24.512 --> 00:44:28.652
<v Sam>approaching end of cycle there's only been one update for the mac studio so

00:44:28.652 --> 00:44:34.272
<v Sam>far and that was after 454 days so it's getting close now the root the rumors

00:44:34.272 --> 00:44:41.312
<v Sam>for the macbook pro are now that they put out the m4 chips for the ipad that

00:44:41.312 --> 00:44:43.812
<v Sam>there got to be M4 MacBooks coming soon.

00:44:44.172 --> 00:44:49.232
<v Sam>But soon probably means end of this year, maybe beginning of next year.

00:44:49.392 --> 00:44:51.232
<v Sam>And I wasn't going to wait six months.

00:44:51.955 --> 00:44:54.555
<v Sam>Yeah, no, no, no.

00:44:54.595 --> 00:44:54.855
<v Ivan>No.

00:44:55.235 --> 00:44:59.475
<v Sam>You know, if there were really, really active rumors saying,

00:44:59.635 --> 00:45:04.475
<v Sam>hey, they're going to be new MacBook Pros in July, maybe I would avoid it.

00:45:05.435 --> 00:45:08.195
<v Ivan>Maybe, but, but yeah, no, you, you, you really.

00:45:08.295 --> 00:45:12.795
<v Sam>I, I needed it. And like, you know, and there were no such rumors.

00:45:12.915 --> 00:45:16.655
<v Sam>The rumors were, eh, maybe the, maybe at the end of the year at the earliest,

00:45:16.715 --> 00:45:20.615
<v Sam>probably early next year, those, that's what the rumors were saying right now.

00:45:20.675 --> 00:45:22.415
<v Sam>So I was like, no, no. not waiting.

00:45:23.015 --> 00:45:26.975
<v Sam>Anyway, nobody probably cares about the new computer, but I am thrilled by the

00:45:26.975 --> 00:45:30.215
<v Sam>new computer. I'm also thrilled by the new desk. I'm thrilled by the new chair.

00:45:30.535 --> 00:45:34.275
<v Sam>I, on both of those, like I spent more on the computer.

00:45:34.635 --> 00:45:38.075
<v Sam>And so I got a little bit less.

00:45:38.555 --> 00:45:42.315
<v Sam>I spent a little bit less on the desk and a little bit less on the chair that

00:45:42.315 --> 00:45:43.315
<v Sam>I would have done otherwise.

00:45:43.835 --> 00:45:49.315
<v Sam>But I also realized this chair and this desk do absolutely everything I fucking need.

00:45:49.795 --> 00:45:53.215
<v Sam>Did I really need to buy one that It costs twice as much. No,

00:45:53.335 --> 00:45:54.995
<v Sam>I probably didn't, you know?

00:45:55.135 --> 00:46:01.235
<v Sam>And in fact, this one, the desk I got is it's a, it's, it's,

00:46:01.235 --> 00:46:03.095
<v Sam>it's probably about half the price,

00:46:03.235 --> 00:46:06.795
<v Sam>maybe even less than half of the price of the one that I'd been eyeing for a

00:46:06.795 --> 00:46:11.115
<v Sam>while, but it's got a bigger surface area and I'm using every inch of that bigger

00:46:11.115 --> 00:46:14.135
<v Sam>surface area and it's fine.

00:46:14.375 --> 00:46:15.775
<v Ivan>The big, well, that's a good thing.

00:46:15.775 --> 00:46:23.475
<v Sam>Ben, the big difference like is I am sure like this one, if you like lean into

00:46:23.475 --> 00:46:28.135
<v Sam>it, like I, I, if I push it, I can jiggle it, you know, like, Oh.

00:46:28.255 --> 00:46:29.155
<v Ivan>I see a jiggling.

00:46:29.555 --> 00:46:33.395
<v Sam>Yvonne can see my picture jiggling. Cause I'm like just putting my hand on the

00:46:33.395 --> 00:46:35.555
<v Sam>desk and like shoving it a little bit.

00:46:35.635 --> 00:46:39.555
<v Sam>I'm sure the more expensive one is a little bit more sturdy.

00:46:40.377 --> 00:46:44.737
<v Sam>But it's not like it's shaking so much I'm worried it's going to fall down.

00:46:44.957 --> 00:46:48.357
<v Sam>It's not like it's like bothering me on a regular basis.

00:46:48.477 --> 00:46:53.117
<v Sam>It's like, okay, if I shake it, it shakes, you know?

00:46:53.457 --> 00:46:56.337
<v Sam>And so I'm like, this, this is fine. It's great.

00:46:56.577 --> 00:47:00.517
<v Sam>Same, same thing with the chair. I was looking at like the wire cutter recommended

00:47:00.517 --> 00:47:05.197
<v Sam>chair and it was like, you know, for $450 was their budget chair.

00:47:05.537 --> 00:47:08.497
<v Sam>And I'm like, I guess I'll wait. I'll keep the old chair for a while.

00:47:08.497 --> 00:47:12.857
<v Sam>And then I was just browsing and I'm like, there are perfectly decent chairs

00:47:12.857 --> 00:47:13.897
<v Sam>for under a hundred bucks.

00:47:14.017 --> 00:47:16.237
<v Sam>I'm just going to pick one of those and it's fine.

00:47:16.577 --> 00:47:19.597
<v Ivan>You know, you know, and I spent a lot of money on furniture.

00:47:19.777 --> 00:47:24.337
<v Ivan>The one thing I did not really spend a lot of money on is a chair.

00:47:24.657 --> 00:47:29.557
<v Ivan>I will say, and I still have this chair. I bought this chair at Costco and I

00:47:29.557 --> 00:47:32.777
<v Ivan>tried the chairs and I found it very comfortable and it was,

00:47:32.777 --> 00:47:34.337
<v Ivan>you know, a hundred and some odd bucks.

00:47:35.037 --> 00:47:41.097
<v Ivan>I will say that the glass that the chair is on, so it won't scratch the floor,

00:47:41.217 --> 00:47:42.817
<v Ivan>is more expensive than the chair.

00:47:42.977 --> 00:47:46.397
<v Sam>Yeah, and that's another thing I got. I have never used one before,

00:47:46.517 --> 00:47:48.457
<v Sam>but I got one of those mats for under the chair.

00:47:48.757 --> 00:47:51.537
<v Sam>But I got one of the plastic ones.

00:47:51.977 --> 00:47:55.697
<v Sam>And, like, it was supposedly a pretty thick one, whatever. And then,

00:47:55.717 --> 00:47:58.137
<v Sam>like, after I had it, like, 48 hours, I'm like...

00:47:59.108 --> 00:48:02.528
<v Sam>Dense under the chair i can't glide smoothly on

00:48:02.528 --> 00:48:05.448
<v Sam>this thing it also moves a little bit like

00:48:05.448 --> 00:48:08.308
<v Sam>it shoves to the side like all the time apparently

00:48:08.308 --> 00:48:12.708
<v Sam>when i sit down i push it to the left and so it's always sort of scooting to

00:48:12.708 --> 00:48:19.008
<v Sam>the left i'm like i'm gonna have to like buy one of the slightly more expensive

00:48:19.008 --> 00:48:25.988
<v Sam>but that's still not super expensive ones that's really solid and not like this rubber mat.

00:48:26.488 --> 00:48:30.788
<v Sam>Like, like the rubber mat, maybe it protects the carpet, but this carpet is

00:48:30.788 --> 00:48:33.808
<v Sam>completely destroyed anyway. I don't need to protect this fucking carpet.

00:48:34.028 --> 00:48:39.568
<v Sam>I just want something where I can like roll smoothly and I can't roll smoothly on this.

00:48:39.948 --> 00:48:43.708
<v Ivan>Well, for, for that one, it's not, well, that's exactly right.

00:48:43.908 --> 00:48:47.168
<v Ivan>I mean, the one thing in your case is not, you know, I, I did it more,

00:48:47.248 --> 00:48:50.508
<v Ivan>but you know, it's not because of the smooth rolling on your case,

00:48:50.548 --> 00:48:52.968
<v Ivan>you need the smooth rolling and the plastic is not going to do it.

00:48:53.148 --> 00:48:56.628
<v Sam>Yeah. Like I have a carpet, like if this was hardwood floor i wouldn't even

00:48:56.628 --> 00:48:59.348
<v Sam>bother with it at all like yeah but.

00:48:59.348 --> 00:49:04.848
<v Ivan>Well i wound up doing it i didn't do it before with a hardwood floor the problem is that that because.

00:49:04.848 --> 00:49:08.868
<v Sam>You want it but now you want to protect the floor because you damage floor over the course of the years.

00:49:08.868 --> 00:49:13.708
<v Ivan>Yeah because we yeah i damaged a floor over the course of the years and i realized

00:49:13.708 --> 00:49:17.788
<v Ivan>i'm like damn it you know but i got listen i got the one that they advertise

00:49:17.788 --> 00:49:21.588
<v Ivan>which is this vitrasa one okay but And it's advertised on a word of place.

00:49:21.648 --> 00:49:25.428
<v Ivan>It's pricey, but look, it's, it's solid.

00:49:25.588 --> 00:49:28.368
<v Ivan>Okay. Number one, it's, and it's clear.

00:49:28.508 --> 00:49:28.668
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:49:28.668 --> 00:49:32.788
<v Ivan>Okay. So you don't, you barely notice that it's there.

00:49:32.888 --> 00:49:33.108
<v Sam>Right.

00:49:33.168 --> 00:49:37.608
<v Ivan>Okay. But it's totally solid and it's like perfect for whatever,

00:49:37.708 --> 00:49:41.368
<v Ivan>but it's really, you know, their mat is definitely worth the money compared

00:49:41.368 --> 00:49:42.608
<v Ivan>to the other ones that I've had.

00:49:43.008 --> 00:49:47.408
<v Sam>Yeah. I, I, I haven't ordered a new one of these mats yet, but it's like,

00:49:47.408 --> 00:49:52.528
<v Sam>it is frustrating me more by the day. So I, I imagine before too long, I will.

00:49:52.628 --> 00:49:58.648
<v Sam>Cause like, you know, I have a chair with wheels so I can roll around,

00:49:58.848 --> 00:50:02.948
<v Sam>but then yeah, I start, I want to roll and.

00:50:02.948 --> 00:50:03.608
<v Ivan>You can't roll.

00:50:03.968 --> 00:50:09.028
<v Sam>And I realize I'm, I'm sunken in dents and like, yes.

00:50:09.128 --> 00:50:12.768
<v Sam>And I have to like, before I can roll, I have to put a whole bunch of extra

00:50:12.768 --> 00:50:16.128
<v Sam>effort to get myself out of the dent and look, okay.

00:50:16.208 --> 00:50:17.268
<v Ivan>A little bit of exercise.

00:50:17.448 --> 00:50:20.948
<v Sam>It is a little bit of exercise. I mean, it's not like a huge amount of effort, right?

00:50:20.988 --> 00:50:25.388
<v Ivan>Leg strengthening exercise. I saw the other day, listen, you need to get,

00:50:25.408 --> 00:50:30.508
<v Ivan>I saw there was an infomercial on TV on one of these things that you put on the floor.

00:50:30.908 --> 00:50:34.708
<v Ivan>And it's apparently, so you're pedaling, like exercising as you're...

00:50:36.112 --> 00:50:36.992
<v Sam>I've got one.

00:50:37.332 --> 00:50:38.052
<v Ivan>You do?

00:50:38.392 --> 00:50:43.272
<v Sam>Yeah. Or I forget if I got it for me or if I got it for my wife or something.

00:50:43.612 --> 00:50:46.212
<v Sam>It's like, it's in the garage. It's not like right here or anything.

00:50:46.292 --> 00:50:51.012
<v Sam>Cause no one ever used the damn thing, but it's like, you know.

00:50:52.912 --> 00:50:57.092
<v Ivan>Nobody uses anything that they sell from one of those TV infomercials.

00:50:57.092 --> 00:50:59.452
<v Ivan>Well, it basically, that's what happens.

00:50:59.592 --> 00:51:03.612
<v Sam>Like, I don't know if I saw it on an infomercial. I saw it somewhere like,

00:51:03.692 --> 00:51:06.532
<v Sam>cause I was like, you know, need to exercise more.

00:51:06.612 --> 00:51:11.092
<v Sam>Maybe I can use one of those little thingies that I can like pedal while I'm on the thing.

00:51:11.172 --> 00:51:14.572
<v Sam>And so I looked one up and I bought it and it was cheap. It wasn't like an expensive

00:51:14.572 --> 00:51:16.292
<v Sam>thing. It was, and I got it.

00:51:16.292 --> 00:51:20.812
<v Ivan>They're not expensive, but that you're like, you're like, this is bullshit.

00:51:21.412 --> 00:51:25.652
<v Sam>No, no. And you know what I do have though? I do have,

00:51:25.752 --> 00:51:29.112
<v Sam>cause this is, I am sitting right now at the standing desk because

00:51:29.112 --> 00:51:32.572
<v Sam>I didn't want to prematurely give away my thing

00:51:32.572 --> 00:51:35.592
<v Sam>but i do have one of these balance

00:51:35.592 --> 00:51:38.232
<v Sam>board things to stand on when i've got it

00:51:38.232 --> 00:51:44.632
<v Sam>in standing mode that like oh that you have to like you know it because it's

00:51:44.632 --> 00:51:50.032
<v Sam>it's it's it's only got it's like got a rocker on the bottom so you stand on

00:51:50.032 --> 00:51:54.372
<v Sam>it and it wobbles and so you have to use your sort of whole body has to balance

00:51:54.372 --> 00:51:57.532
<v Sam>to keep yourself vertical while you're on this thing instead of falling over.

00:51:57.692 --> 00:52:03.592
<v Sam>And it's just like a constant sort of micro dose of exercise while you're standing on the thing.

00:52:04.211 --> 00:52:07.231
<v Sam>So there you go. And, and, and, you know, I am sitting right now,

00:52:07.291 --> 00:52:10.371
<v Sam>but I have, you know, I found like, it's interesting.

00:52:10.751 --> 00:52:15.411
<v Sam>I, the other thing, by the way, about my, my setup with the monitors and everything

00:52:15.411 --> 00:52:17.551
<v Sam>is because I've got it set up this way.

00:52:17.991 --> 00:52:23.751
<v Sam>If I'm working for work, I just unplug my home laptop and plug in my work laptop

00:52:23.751 --> 00:52:26.631
<v Sam>and I'm all set to go with the whole setup for work too.

00:52:27.231 --> 00:52:33.051
<v Sam>So, so I've been doing that and I found myself more likely to stand at the standing

00:52:33.051 --> 00:52:39.251
<v Sam>desk desk when I'm working for my job than when I'm doing my home projects on my computer.

00:52:39.451 --> 00:52:43.811
<v Sam>I don't know why, but so far that's been the case, you know,

00:52:43.811 --> 00:52:48.131
<v Sam>and it also depends like, you know, if it's early in the day and I've still

00:52:48.131 --> 00:52:51.571
<v Sam>got a bunch of energy, I'm more likely to stand by the time we're,

00:52:51.571 --> 00:52:53.271
<v Sam>we're recording this in the evening.

00:52:53.551 --> 00:52:56.151
<v Sam>And by now I'm like, I want to sit down.

00:52:56.871 --> 00:53:02.751
<v Ivan>I know one thing that I, this week after I've been like doing all this traveling,

00:53:02.751 --> 00:53:05.751
<v Ivan>like i i i uh you know i have

00:53:05.751 --> 00:53:08.871
<v Ivan>been struggling to stay focused on on work oh

00:53:08.871 --> 00:53:16.611
<v Ivan>my god i i've just been like i mean i it's just i i did get a lot done but it

00:53:16.611 --> 00:53:26.051
<v Ivan>it seemed to take a lot more effort right than the usual to just stay focused on the task at hand and.

00:53:26.051 --> 00:53:28.611
<v Sam>We will finish but first any minute it now but like.

00:53:28.611 --> 00:53:32.551
<v Ivan>Well I'm sure by now everybody's already like turned off the podcast yeah.

00:53:32.551 --> 00:53:37.851
<v Sam>Everybody's gone everybody's gone but like the the the on Tuesday this week

00:53:37.851 --> 00:53:43.691
<v Sam>I noticed early in the morning I was like oh crap I've got this one morning meeting and,

00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:50.260
<v Sam>And then I've got almost nothing the rest of the day. I'm going to be able to get a lot of stuff done.

00:53:51.860 --> 00:53:56.680
<v Sam>But several things then happened. I was working from home that day.

00:53:56.820 --> 00:54:01.100
<v Sam>So first thing was I was like, hey, I'm working from home.

00:54:01.380 --> 00:54:05.700
<v Sam>My wife is here. I finished my first meeting. Let's go get some breakfast.

00:54:06.180 --> 00:54:10.120
<v Sam>Like, let's go to a diner and get some breakfast. Yeah, that was fine.

00:54:10.300 --> 00:54:13.060
<v Sam>But then we went to a diner that was a little bit further away and then they

00:54:13.060 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Sam>were slow. And then by the time we got back from the diner, it was like,

00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:18.460
<v Sam>oh, two hours just went by. How'd that happen?

00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:23.740
<v Sam>And then like, actually right before we left to go to the diner,

00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:29.040
<v Sam>like I got a, an impromptu call that somebody scheduled with like no notice.

00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:33.340
<v Sam>It's like, Hey, can we talk real quick? So I ended up spending half an hour on the phone for that.

00:54:33.540 --> 00:54:36.860
<v Sam>And then after I got back, there was another meeting that I was like,

00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:40.840
<v Sam>I was planning on skipping, but I was like, I should tune in at least a little bit.

00:54:40.900 --> 00:54:44.100
<v Sam>And then I ended up on that meeting for an hour. And then by the time all of

00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:49.080
<v Sam>these things were done, my like, oh, my God, I've got six free hours that I

00:54:49.080 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Sam>can just like sit down and work.

00:54:51.100 --> 00:54:57.160
<v Sam>I ended up with like one, you know, and I was like, well, there goes that fucking day.

00:54:57.220 --> 00:55:01.040
<v Sam>I was really excited that I was going to be able to get a whole crap load of stuff done.

00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Sam>And I didn't. And then, you know, I and I got a little bit of that work done

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.500
<v Sam>in the next couple of days.

00:55:07.580 --> 00:55:11.540
<v Sam>But I never got like the really solid. solid because here's the thing when you

00:55:11.540 --> 00:55:17.020
<v Sam>got the big solid open chunk of time it's not just you've got six hours of time

00:55:17.020 --> 00:55:21.720
<v Sam>it's you've got six hours where you can build up a head of steam and you can

00:55:21.720 --> 00:55:25.780
<v Sam>like really get into something and get some solid stuff done because i don't know about you.

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.220
<v Sam>But when i've got little like 15 20 half

00:55:29.220 --> 00:55:32.520
<v Sam>hour slots of time like yeah there's

00:55:32.520 --> 00:55:35.260
<v Sam>certain things i can do i can check my email i can check

00:55:35.260 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Sam>my messaging things like that but like for a lot of stuff like it takes me a

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:46.040
<v Sam>half hour just to get myself into the groove of working on the thing and so

00:55:46.040 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Sam>like if all i've got is half hour slots i i don't get it i never get the flow

00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.520
<v Sam>and get into that pattern listen.

00:55:52.520 --> 00:55:56.100
<v Ivan>My my thing is that i spent that whole week traveling and then a whole week

00:55:56.100 --> 00:56:02.420
<v Ivan>on vacation and i got back and i had so many things that were open items that

00:56:02.420 --> 00:56:06.900
<v Ivan>i am like struggling as to wait, which one the fuck do I do first?

00:56:07.240 --> 00:56:12.440
<v Ivan>And then new things kept coming in at the same time. And so I did get through

00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:17.420
<v Ivan>a whole bunch of it, but part of it is that I also need to do my, I have a fricking,

00:56:18.570 --> 00:56:21.390
<v Ivan>note over there on the wall that i need to do some account

00:56:21.390 --> 00:56:25.250
<v Ivan>planning because they changed all my almost all

00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:28.670
<v Ivan>the accounts that i'm that i'm dealing with and so i

00:56:28.670 --> 00:56:37.430
<v Ivan>i am one that that sees a value well me i in order to get on track to what the

00:56:37.430 --> 00:56:41.690
<v Ivan>hell we're going to do for this year right which for us just started i need

00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:47.750
<v Ivan>to fucking write down what the fuck we're doing otherwise it's just you know, attending fires.

00:56:47.810 --> 00:56:52.010
<v Ivan>Right. Instead of doing, you know, a focused work.

00:56:52.150 --> 00:56:56.730
<v Ivan>And, and so I, I, I, I started some of it, but I'm not through it.

00:56:56.870 --> 00:57:03.210
<v Ivan>So I don't know. So anyway, now that we've like bored every listener to death at this point.

00:57:03.310 --> 00:57:08.930
<v Sam>I, what one, one more computer thing, one more thing is I just got more.

00:57:08.990 --> 00:57:12.290
<v Sam>I just got a text from my wife saying this

00:57:12.290 --> 00:57:16.090
<v Sam>happens daily and it's her computer saying

00:57:16.090 --> 00:57:21.610
<v Sam>your computer was restarted because of a problem and this is her old iMac which

00:57:21.610 --> 00:57:27.610
<v Sam>is many years old how old is it i don't it's really old like it's five or six

00:57:27.610 --> 00:57:32.870
<v Sam>years old if not older at this point because she already replaced it remember remember she.

00:57:32.870 --> 00:57:34.410
<v Ivan>Got that lap computer stolen.

00:57:34.410 --> 00:57:38.130
<v Sam>Yes because she got a new MacBook Pro like

00:57:38.130 --> 00:57:40.890
<v Sam>a year and a half ago or two years ago whenever it was

00:57:40.890 --> 00:57:43.830
<v Sam>and then it got stolen and right

00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:46.730
<v Sam>and because she needed something she did something very similar

00:57:46.730 --> 00:57:49.810
<v Sam>to what i did she got like a bottom of the line macbook

00:57:49.810 --> 00:57:52.990
<v Sam>air and she can that thing barely

00:57:52.990 --> 00:57:55.750
<v Sam>does the thing she needs it to even though her

00:57:55.750 --> 00:58:01.730
<v Sam>needs are much less than i my needs she's still like that thing it's its screen

00:58:01.730 --> 00:58:04.850
<v Sam>is too small it's got this it's got that she has all kinds of issues with it

00:58:04.850 --> 00:58:09.710
<v Sam>it doesn't do what she needs it to do so she often tries to use her much much

00:58:09.710 --> 00:58:14.290
<v Sam>older iMac and it's starting to have issues now too. So I can easily see,

00:58:15.001 --> 00:58:18.701
<v Sam>Like the next stock grant, guess who's getting a computer then.

00:58:19.061 --> 00:58:24.061
<v Sam>So, you know, we may, this may be a two computer year for this family.

00:58:24.161 --> 00:58:26.381
<v Sam>So we usually try to space them out.

00:58:26.621 --> 00:58:31.141
<v Sam>Like, cause everybody in the family needs something, but like we try to space

00:58:31.141 --> 00:58:33.921
<v Sam>them out, but this may be a year we can't. So we'll see.

00:58:34.361 --> 00:58:39.301
<v Ivan>You know, I will say that as a, okay, if I, one more thing on the computer is

00:58:39.301 --> 00:58:46.241
<v Ivan>that, so I got, I got my wife, a Mac book air, right at the start of the pandemic.

00:58:46.401 --> 00:58:48.461
<v Ivan>So that was like about four years ago.

00:58:49.201 --> 00:58:54.641
<v Ivan>And she had a MacBook. And we gave that MacBook to Manu to use.

00:58:56.061 --> 00:59:00.061
<v Ivan>And he's using it for school and stuff or whatever.

00:59:00.281 --> 00:59:03.481
<v Ivan>I will say that, surprisingly, those two have held up pretty well.

00:59:03.581 --> 00:59:04.961
<v Ivan>I mean, that MacBook, I got...

00:59:05.561 --> 00:59:10.481
<v Ivan>Shit, it's older than my iMac, so it's 2017. And it's still...

00:59:10.981 --> 00:59:12.441
<v Ivan>You know, I've checked it out.

00:59:12.501 --> 00:59:13.481
<v Sam>It's still chugging along.

00:59:14.161 --> 00:59:15.821
<v Ivan>Still chugging along perfectly fine.

00:59:16.001 --> 00:59:16.261
<v Sam>Yeah.

00:59:16.361 --> 00:59:17.281
<v Ivan>You know, both of those.

00:59:17.401 --> 00:59:20.781
<v Sam>Alex will probably need a new computer at some point too.

00:59:21.681 --> 00:59:25.021
<v Sam>Like it's one of the, he, he, he hasn't complained yet, so I'm not bringing

00:59:25.021 --> 00:59:26.601
<v Sam>it up until he starts to complain.

00:59:26.721 --> 00:59:27.481
<v Ivan>Don't bring it up.

00:59:27.501 --> 00:59:32.801
<v Sam>But, but it's older and it's, it will undoubtedly need it at some point.

00:59:32.861 --> 00:59:38.261
<v Sam>And he's pushing it kind of hard. He's doing like programming and games and blah, blah, blah.

00:59:38.461 --> 00:59:41.701
<v Sam>So, you know, Oh.

00:59:41.701 --> 00:59:44.681
<v Ivan>Manu's not pushing it very hard, so therefore it's probably helping.

00:59:44.881 --> 00:59:46.541
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right.

00:59:46.601 --> 00:59:47.021
<v Ivan>All right.

00:59:47.021 --> 00:59:48.161
<v Sam>We need to move on.

00:59:48.861 --> 00:59:49.601
<v Ivan>Yes, we need to.

00:59:49.601 --> 00:59:53.641
<v Sam>We move on, and then maybe since we've talked about computers now,

00:59:53.721 --> 00:59:57.421
<v Sam>we don't do WWDC as one of our topics. Probably a good idea.

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<v Sam>Anyway, first break coming up, and then Ivan will pick a topic,

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<v Sam>and depending how long he goes and what the topic is, maybe that'll be it. Maybe I don't get one.

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<v Sam>I mean, I sort of had a topic. Back after this.

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<v Sam>Okay, Yvonne, what's our topic?

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<v Ivan>Well, I was going to bunch it up as politics.

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<v Sam>Okay. Politics.

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<v Ivan>All right. So politics.

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<v Sam>I think with that broad a topic, let's just say this is the rest of the damn show. Politics.

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<v Ivan>Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So Hunter Biden is not fit to be president.

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<v Sam>He is not. Not. No.

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<v Ivan>Right. That's the conclusion I've got.

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<v Sam>That's the conclusion. hunter biden is

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<v Sam>guilty of sin like yeah you

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<v Sam>know like yeah one of the

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<v Sam>things like that we see here is i have yet to hear and maybe i've just missed

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<v Sam>it but i have yet to hear any democrats really grousing about this outcome nobody

01:03:24.795 --> 01:03:29.095
<v Sam>is now and saying you know So, witch hunt,

01:03:29.315 --> 01:03:33.435
<v Sam>they're going after him, they're blah, blah, blah, he should have been innocent, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:33.615 --> 01:03:39.275
<v Sam>You know, I have heard people say he probably would not have been charged if

01:03:39.275 --> 01:03:42.015
<v Sam>he wasn't the president's son. And that's probably true.

01:03:42.455 --> 01:03:46.475
<v Sam>But at the same time, he's fucking guilty. He did it.

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<v Ivan>Here's the thing. I don't know about not being charged. I mean,

01:03:50.755 --> 01:03:54.455
<v Ivan>but I think that the, listen,

01:03:55.155 --> 01:04:00.175
<v Ivan>most of the people, like with the situation that Hunter had,

01:04:00.415 --> 01:04:03.055
<v Ivan>same as the situation that Hunter,

01:04:03.990 --> 01:04:10.930
<v Ivan>idiot donald j trump had in these situations 90 plus percent of people will

01:04:10.930 --> 01:04:18.350
<v Ivan>plead out right yeah the evidence in both of their cases is pretty clear cut well.

01:04:18.350 --> 01:04:24.210
<v Sam>Before that like like it i think it is important to say that the gun charges

01:04:24.210 --> 01:04:29.870
<v Sam>he had in particular are ones that are very very rarely brought alone as.

01:04:29.870 --> 01:04:33.430
<v Ivan>Opposed to as part of a larger criminal like they've done a bunch.

01:04:33.430 --> 01:04:35.710
<v Sam>Of other stuff and you put the gun charge on top.

01:04:35.710 --> 01:04:39.610
<v Ivan>Well what happened is that hunter was being investigated for a number of things

01:04:39.610 --> 01:04:44.910
<v Ivan>and and has happened sometimes with these investigations is that look they decided

01:04:44.910 --> 01:04:51.350
<v Ivan>to bring the one that they they had the the the strongest case for but but they.

01:04:51.350 --> 01:04:52.830
<v Sam>They were doing guns and taxes.

01:04:53.290 --> 01:04:57.910
<v Ivan>Guns and taxes. But again, he was offered a plea deal.

01:04:58.110 --> 01:04:58.790
<v Sam>Yeah, he was.

01:04:58.910 --> 01:05:03.390
<v Ivan>He rejected the plea deal. And the reason why he rejected the plea deal.

01:05:03.730 --> 01:05:07.730
<v Sam>Remember, first, the judge rejected the plea deal.

01:05:09.730 --> 01:05:17.050
<v Sam>Here's the important part. Both parties had presented a plea deal where they

01:05:17.050 --> 01:05:23.370
<v Sam>asked the judge to be the determiner of whether Hunter was being good afterwards.

01:05:23.730 --> 01:05:29.710
<v Sam>And it started falling apart when the judge was like, no, that's not my job.

01:05:29.870 --> 01:05:34.690
<v Sam>I'm not going to do that. And then she asked him, do you understand what you're pleading to?

01:05:35.110 --> 01:05:39.670
<v Sam>And then there was an issue where there was a misunderstanding where Hunter's

01:05:39.670 --> 01:05:43.370
<v Sam>team thought that if he pled, he'd be off the hook for everything.

01:05:43.670 --> 01:05:46.690
<v Sam>And the prosecution was like, no, you don't want to be off the hook for this.

01:05:46.750 --> 01:05:48.530
<v Sam>We're still going to be investigating other stuff.

01:05:49.090 --> 01:05:51.070
<v Sam>And that's where it all fell apart.

01:05:51.070 --> 01:05:55.370
<v Ivan>Right. And that was the thing.

01:05:55.550 --> 01:06:03.570
<v Ivan>He had specifically asked, hey, if I plead to this, I am basically immune from any other prosecution.

01:06:03.930 --> 01:06:09.250
<v Ivan>And it was very extensive. And I was like, fuck, I've never heard a prosecutor

01:06:09.250 --> 01:06:14.490
<v Ivan>ever agreeing to such a plea deal. I mean, it was just the ask was absurd.

01:06:15.150 --> 01:06:20.370
<v Ivan>I mean, I think that they could probably, you know, do away with a couple of

01:06:20.370 --> 01:06:22.790
<v Ivan>things, but you couldn't ask for that kind of blanket immunity.

01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:27.130
<v Ivan>And so there was just no way away about it.

01:06:27.870 --> 01:06:30.390
<v Sam>Basically, they were still digging into the finances.

01:06:30.910 --> 01:06:31.390
<v Ivan>Right.

01:06:31.690 --> 01:06:35.790
<v Sam>And weren't and weren't willing to say we're not going to find anything else.

01:06:35.990 --> 01:06:40.130
<v Sam>Like they were willing to plead him on the guns and the finances they already

01:06:40.130 --> 01:06:44.850
<v Sam>had. but they weren't willing to clear him for more financial stuff that they

01:06:44.850 --> 01:06:45.850
<v Sam>were still digging into.

01:06:46.150 --> 01:06:47.390
<v Ivan>And that, right. Right.

01:06:48.584 --> 01:06:52.744
<v Ivan>Well, I mean, it's, it's very difficult for somebody to get cleared on,

01:06:52.824 --> 01:06:56.664
<v Ivan>you know, basically on things you don't know. Right.

01:06:57.084 --> 01:06:59.824
<v Ivan>You know, and so, and that was the problem.

01:07:01.104 --> 01:07:06.584
<v Ivan>It's just, you know, I, I'm going to pardon you for any crimes you may, you may have committed.

01:07:07.044 --> 01:07:12.884
<v Sam>Right. I mean, basically, but on the facts here, I mean, it was like, yeah,

01:07:13.044 --> 01:07:19.824
<v Sam>you were clearly a drug addict at the time that you signed a document saying

01:07:19.824 --> 01:07:22.664
<v Sam>that you weren't in order to try to get the gun.

01:07:23.084 --> 01:07:28.284
<v Ivan>And look, he may get, listen, the reality is that because of what the charge

01:07:28.284 --> 01:07:32.104
<v Ivan>is, you may get probation for all we know.

01:07:32.424 --> 01:07:37.964
<v Sam>If you add up all the maximum charges, it's a lot of years, but he won't get the maximum.

01:07:38.244 --> 01:07:41.164
<v Sam>It'll be, like you said, his first time offender, blah, blah,

01:07:41.184 --> 01:07:42.944
<v Sam>blah. Just like Trump won't get the maximum.

01:07:43.284 --> 01:07:48.924
<v Ivan>Well, it's not just a first-time offender. It was a single charge.

01:07:49.464 --> 01:07:50.884
<v Sam>Well, three, but yeah.

01:07:51.404 --> 01:07:55.264
<v Ivan>Well, three, but it was like for the purchase of one weapon,

01:07:55.464 --> 01:07:59.204
<v Ivan>there wasn't a crime associated with it that was committed.

01:08:00.464 --> 01:08:04.244
<v Ivan>There's a whole bunch of circumstances that usually, like you mentioned,

01:08:04.404 --> 01:08:08.784
<v Ivan>most people that get this charge are charged with other crimes,

01:08:09.004 --> 01:08:13.604
<v Ivan>usually. They committed a murder or robbery or something like that.

01:08:13.844 --> 01:08:16.344
<v Ivan>That's not the case in this situation.

01:08:16.684 --> 01:08:20.464
<v Ivan>So you will probably get off with a light sentence.

01:08:21.004 --> 01:08:25.684
<v Ivan>He might get some jail time. And the reason he might get the jail time is because

01:08:25.684 --> 01:08:32.764
<v Ivan>one of the things that prosecutors and probation officers are looking for in

01:08:32.764 --> 01:08:36.424
<v Ivan>the report is some kind of,

01:08:37.372 --> 01:08:42.332
<v Ivan>except as a guilt and contrition. Okay. It's what they're looking for.

01:08:42.432 --> 01:08:47.872
<v Ivan>But if you basically are just still at that moment, just acting like,

01:08:47.932 --> 01:08:49.152
<v Ivan>well, I'm not a criminal.

01:08:49.252 --> 01:08:52.552
<v Ivan>I didn't do anything wrong. Well, if you don't think you did anything wrong,

01:08:52.632 --> 01:08:53.652
<v Ivan>then you are going to do it again.

01:08:54.452 --> 01:08:58.672
<v Sam>Right. I mean, here, here are the couple of things with this.

01:08:59.272 --> 01:09:04.672
<v Sam>One is his sentence is probably going going to be on the lighter side but he's

01:09:04.672 --> 01:09:11.312
<v Sam>still got the tax stuff coming up in september and because at that point it

01:09:11.312 --> 01:09:15.612
<v Sam>won't be his first offense anymore it ups the risk of the sentence for the tax

01:09:15.612 --> 01:09:19.152
<v Sam>issues later which he's probably guilty of too by the way.

01:09:19.152 --> 01:09:24.712
<v Ivan>Right well there's a whole bunch of financial things where apparently he wasn't

01:09:24.712 --> 01:09:30.772
<v Ivan>paying you know he had refused to pay Some, some child supports alimony or so

01:09:30.772 --> 01:09:32.012
<v Ivan>a whole bunch of tax stuff,

01:09:32.032 --> 01:09:35.612
<v Ivan>or he hadn't properly filed a report on a whole bunch of money.

01:09:35.652 --> 01:09:36.952
<v Ivan>There's a whole bunch of shit.

01:09:37.252 --> 01:09:40.952
<v Sam>Yeah. Only some of them he's been charged with, but, but in general,

01:09:41.092 --> 01:09:44.952
<v Sam>I mean, I don't know how many times on this show I've uttered the words,

01:09:45.072 --> 01:09:47.052
<v Sam>Hunter Biden is a piece of work.

01:09:47.512 --> 01:09:52.152
<v Sam>Like he, this man has lots of issues and it, from all reports,

01:09:52.312 --> 01:09:55.732
<v Sam>he may have cleaned himself a little bit, cleaned himself up a little bit in

01:09:55.732 --> 01:10:00.752
<v Sam>the last few years, but he has had lots and lots of problems. Yeah.

01:10:00.892 --> 01:10:08.152
<v Sam>You know, finance, financial stuff, sex stuff, the way he's treated the people

01:10:08.152 --> 01:10:14.452
<v Sam>he's been in relationships with the gun thing, the drug things that look,

01:10:14.652 --> 01:10:19.272
<v Sam>this guy has had a lot of issues and nobody denies that, including himself.

01:10:19.492 --> 01:10:26.652
<v Sam>He wrote a whole book about it. Like, you know, So he's admitted all this stuff. And so we'll see.

01:10:26.812 --> 01:10:32.192
<v Sam>Like, I mean, he probably, I would not be surprised if he does some time before

01:10:32.192 --> 01:10:35.052
<v Sam>we're done with this thing. Now, another part of this,

01:10:35.673 --> 01:10:41.313
<v Sam>And the contrast and what brings it into politics is his father's reaction to this.

01:10:41.573 --> 01:10:43.773
<v Sam>You know, first, first of all.

01:10:43.833 --> 01:10:45.473
<v Ivan>What chant?

01:10:45.653 --> 01:10:50.793
<v Sam>Yeah, no, that, that's not what Joe did. No, Joe, Joe's like.

01:10:50.873 --> 01:10:56.253
<v Ivan>No, it wasn't like an all caps on, on, on, on social media. no joe.

01:10:56.253 --> 01:10:57.633
<v Sam>Joe is like you know.

01:10:57.633 --> 01:11:01.173
<v Ivan>You didn't get you get a net get like a run-on

01:11:01.173 --> 01:11:10.073
<v Ivan>endless sentence of like capitalized letters saying you know the the nancy pelosi

01:11:10.073 --> 01:11:19.293
<v Ivan>uh fbi doj witch hunt that has has pursued my son,

01:11:19.393 --> 01:11:21.753
<v Ivan>something like that. No, no, no.

01:11:23.033 --> 01:11:23.993
<v Ivan>George Soros.

01:11:24.373 --> 01:11:30.973
<v Sam>No, no, no. Of course, what Joe, what Joe Biden did, what, what Joe, who.

01:11:30.973 --> 01:11:36.253
<v Ivan>Am I missing? I need, I need, I need more conspiracies. I'm not very good with this conspiracy stuff.

01:11:36.973 --> 01:11:41.053
<v Sam>Yes, yes, yes. What Joe Biden did was first of all.

01:11:41.113 --> 01:11:44.413
<v Ivan>I need my conspiracy AI. Can I find some conspiracy AI?

01:11:44.953 --> 01:11:47.873
<v Sam>Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. OK, OK, enough, enough.

01:11:48.073 --> 01:11:53.973
<v Sam>What Joe Biden actually did was, of course, express support for his son,

01:11:54.073 --> 01:11:57.353
<v Sam>say, you know, I love my son. We support him.

01:11:57.473 --> 01:12:00.833
<v Sam>You know, as he goes through his appeal. But oh, by the way,

01:12:01.033 --> 01:12:04.773
<v Sam>we respect the legal process. We respect the verdict.

01:12:05.293 --> 01:12:09.053
<v Sam>As my son decides what to do about appeals, we will support him in that.

01:12:09.153 --> 01:12:12.693
<v Sam>Oh, but by the way, I'm not pardoning him.

01:12:13.293 --> 01:12:16.273
<v Sam>And then when people asked, well, will you commute his sentence?

01:12:16.273 --> 01:12:18.653
<v Sam>He's like, I won't commute his sentence either.

01:12:19.769 --> 01:12:25.549
<v Sam>And because he's basically saying, look, look, I am not going to use my presidential

01:12:25.549 --> 01:12:28.189
<v Sam>powers for the direct benefit of my family.

01:12:28.289 --> 01:12:30.929
<v Sam>Now, I have one thing to say on that.

01:12:31.089 --> 01:12:38.009
<v Sam>I understand him saying that right now, but I have said before and I will predict again.

01:12:38.009 --> 01:12:45.069
<v Sam>Again, if Joe Biden is about to leave the presidency, whether it be in 2025

01:12:45.069 --> 01:12:49.769
<v Sam>or 2020, what would it be? Nine, 2029.

01:12:51.649 --> 01:12:57.809
<v Sam>And on the day he is about to leave the presidency, Hunter Biden is actually in jail.

01:12:58.509 --> 01:13:01.409
<v Sam>I think he'll commute a sentence on that last day of his office,

01:13:01.569 --> 01:13:03.369
<v Sam>despite what he's saying today.

01:13:04.249 --> 01:13:09.649
<v Ivan>But I look, I don't I don't know. No. Now, you mean if he's in jail that but

01:13:09.649 --> 01:13:11.749
<v Ivan>but OK, here's one thing here.

01:13:12.129 --> 01:13:17.129
<v Sam>If Hunter is actually in jail on Joe Biden's last day in office,

01:13:17.429 --> 01:13:19.769
<v Sam>he's going to spring his son. I'm sorry.

01:13:20.209 --> 01:13:22.949
<v Sam>He will. He will say, look, the circumstance.

01:13:23.109 --> 01:13:26.449
<v Ivan>Look, I don't know. I'm going to listen. I love it. Let me just say this,

01:13:26.509 --> 01:13:30.569
<v Ivan>because I've had to deal with the situation where I had my father convicted

01:13:30.569 --> 01:13:37.729
<v Ivan>of a of a federal offense. look i i i gotta be honest unless i thought that i mean you.

01:13:37.729 --> 01:13:41.129
<v Sam>You wouldn't have sprung your dad because you felt like he needed to learn his lesson.

01:13:41.129 --> 01:13:45.949
<v Ivan>Oh fuck yeah you know oh fuck yeah well.

01:13:45.949 --> 01:13:51.089
<v Sam>Because there is there is that certain thing that says that says hey son hey

01:13:51.089 --> 01:13:56.649
<v Sam>son you have to suffer the consequences for your action you you have to learn yeah yeah.

01:13:56.649 --> 01:13:59.669
<v Ivan>You know if you're telling

01:13:59.669 --> 01:14:02.469
<v Ivan>me that it look if maybe when I was leaving

01:14:02.469 --> 01:14:05.549
<v Ivan>office and my father had been in jail maybe two years

01:14:05.549 --> 01:14:08.309
<v Ivan>and maybe there were five more years left in

01:14:08.309 --> 01:14:11.269
<v Ivan>the sentence but then maybe I'm like oh god you know

01:14:11.269 --> 01:14:17.409
<v Ivan>but I don't think that any of these offenses like get that kind of jail time

01:14:17.409 --> 01:14:22.949
<v Ivan>so my father got six months look if I'm getting if I'm leaving office and there

01:14:22.949 --> 01:14:25.229
<v Ivan>is like about a month left I'm

01:14:25.229 --> 01:14:28.869
<v Ivan>not fucking commuting a sentence you're staying there for a month Yeah.

01:14:28.969 --> 01:14:33.289
<v Sam>You're right. I will agree to that caveat.

01:14:33.549 --> 01:14:39.089
<v Sam>If he's only serving a few months and there's only a little bit of it left,

01:14:39.429 --> 01:14:43.949
<v Sam>then yeah, let him serve out his term.

01:14:44.269 --> 01:14:49.409
<v Sam>I mean, hell, what's her name? Martha Stewart served her term.

01:14:49.589 --> 01:14:56.449
<v Sam>He can serve for his term too. right exactly exactly if on the other hand for

01:14:56.449 --> 01:14:59.469
<v Sam>whatever reason he ends up with like decades in jail,

01:15:00.427 --> 01:15:03.167
<v Sam>I think changes the picture, but that's unlikely.

01:15:03.347 --> 01:15:06.247
<v Ivan>I think, I think that changes the picture, but it's unlikely.

01:15:06.487 --> 01:15:14.827
<v Sam>So, yeah. So me, meanwhile, and the contrast is amazing.

01:15:15.027 --> 01:15:18.847
<v Sam>And what is shifting a little bit to the Republicans. One of the things has

01:15:18.847 --> 01:15:25.067
<v Sam>been lots of reporting on is how the Republicans are so disappointed because

01:15:25.067 --> 01:15:31.007
<v Sam>they were hoping he would get off and not be convicted,

01:15:31.047 --> 01:15:38.267
<v Sam>that either be a hung jury or an actual acquittal, and then they could go on

01:15:38.267 --> 01:15:39.827
<v Sam>about how the system was rigged.

01:15:39.927 --> 01:15:45.427
<v Sam>And it was clearly the weaponized DOJ who was going after Trump,

01:15:45.587 --> 01:15:49.267
<v Sam>but it was all set up and Hunter was let go.

01:15:49.827 --> 01:15:51.647
<v Sam>But instead, he's convicted.

01:15:51.807 --> 01:15:52.247
<v Ivan>Right.

01:15:52.467 --> 01:15:58.107
<v Sam>And now they've still come on and tried to say, well, yeah, they convicted him

01:15:58.107 --> 01:16:03.167
<v Sam>of this thing, But it's all just a smokescreen to distract from the real bad things.

01:16:03.287 --> 01:16:10.647
<v Sam>The Hunter Biden, the Biden crime family, Biden crime family is is responsible

01:16:10.647 --> 01:16:12.707
<v Sam>for. And this is the tip of the iceberg.

01:16:12.887 --> 01:16:16.527
<v Sam>And they're using it as a distraction for all the really bad stuff.

01:16:16.927 --> 01:16:24.707
<v Ivan>I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, I know that the Biden crime family has done so many things.

01:16:25.227 --> 01:16:29.947
<v Ivan>I think I heard that there is presidential M&amp;Ms. I think they're involved in

01:16:29.947 --> 01:16:31.867
<v Ivan>the trafficking of the presidential M&amp;Ms.

01:16:32.367 --> 01:16:33.907
<v Ivan>I heard they taste good, too.

01:16:34.427 --> 01:16:38.007
<v Sam>You know, I've heard Godfather 4 is going to be about the Biden crime family.

01:16:38.916 --> 01:16:43.976
<v Ivan>Oh, that's what it is. Oh, wow. Well, that's Joe. Well, maybe that's the next

01:16:43.976 --> 01:16:45.256
<v Ivan>career Joe Biden will have.

01:16:45.336 --> 01:16:49.016
<v Ivan>He'll have an onscreen career. Going to go make some movies.

01:16:49.776 --> 01:16:50.876
<v Sam>Yeah, I don't know.

01:16:52.936 --> 01:17:01.476
<v Sam>So and this is this is the thing. Like, I can't like if they were going after Don Jr. junior or Eric.

01:17:02.556 --> 01:17:09.376
<v Sam>I, I don't feel like the Republicans would be reacting in the same way the Democrats are.

01:17:09.456 --> 01:17:12.156
<v Ivan>Oh, are you kidding? Oh my God.

01:17:13.156 --> 01:17:18.216
<v Sam>The Democrats almost universally. They're like, yeah, Hunter did some bad shit.

01:17:18.256 --> 01:17:19.316
<v Sam>He deserves what he gets.

01:17:19.576 --> 01:17:23.896
<v Sam>The Republicans would be like, wait, Sean, they're after him for no reason.

01:17:23.936 --> 01:17:26.636
<v Sam>He's a per being persecuted, blah, blah, blah.

01:17:27.076 --> 01:17:31.096
<v Ivan>What, which was the Clinton who Clinton had, Who did he have?

01:17:31.196 --> 01:17:34.296
<v Ivan>A brother? Which one was the one that was...

01:17:35.396 --> 01:17:36.896
<v Sam>Clinton had a brother.

01:17:38.316 --> 01:17:43.496
<v Ivan>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did Clinton have... Yeah, I can't remember.

01:17:43.856 --> 01:17:47.636
<v Ivan>I thought Clinton had a problem with one of his siblings or something.

01:17:48.056 --> 01:17:52.036
<v Sam>I keep thinking Billy Carter, but that's a different presidential brother.

01:17:53.096 --> 01:17:55.096
<v Ivan>No, that's a... Yeah, that's a... Yeah, right.

01:17:56.156 --> 01:18:00.236
<v Sam>As we all look up, Bill Clinton's brother. brother, Roger Clinton.

01:18:01.516 --> 01:18:06.676
<v Ivan>Roger gets two days in jail, three years of probation. There you go. So, yeah.

01:18:06.836 --> 01:18:12.356
<v Ivan>So Roger went to jail when President Clinton was in office.

01:18:12.896 --> 01:18:17.996
<v Ivan>So there you go. Look at that. I don't remember anybody going and saying it

01:18:17.996 --> 01:18:19.736
<v Ivan>was a witch either back then.

01:18:20.056 --> 01:18:23.156
<v Sam>It was reckless driving, DUI.

01:18:23.916 --> 01:18:28.216
<v Ivan>Well, was it a witch hunt? Did anybody call? I don't remember anybody did.

01:18:29.001 --> 01:18:36.701
<v Ivan>No, whereas, you know, Madison, this guy, Cawthorn, the guy that the Republicans

01:18:36.701 --> 01:18:41.401
<v Ivan>like expelled or he lost the primary Madison Cawthorn.

01:18:41.521 --> 01:18:49.321
<v Ivan>Yeah, because he was like saying that they all had cocaine, like prostitute parties in Washington.

01:18:49.601 --> 01:18:56.021
<v Ivan>Okay. So the other day he got, he got into a drunken driving car accident and

01:18:56.021 --> 01:18:57.381
<v Ivan>crashed into a police car.

01:18:57.381 --> 01:19:00.181
<v Ivan>And somehow a couple of

01:19:00.181 --> 01:19:03.201
<v Ivan>months later some police department like i don't

01:19:03.201 --> 01:19:06.141
<v Ivan>know one of these like two-bit police departments was giving

01:19:06.141 --> 01:19:12.181
<v Ivan>him some award you know like a couple of months after he had crashed into while

01:19:12.181 --> 01:19:18.021
<v Ivan>driving drunk in a car that was not fitted with the devices that usually are

01:19:18.021 --> 01:19:23.501
<v Ivan>required for somebody with his you know because he doesn't have legs if i remember

01:19:23.501 --> 01:19:26.081
<v Ivan>he He can't hit the pedals. He need the hand assist.

01:19:26.281 --> 01:19:30.261
<v Ivan>It didn't have that shit. He was driving a fucking Mercedes without that shit

01:19:30.261 --> 01:19:32.761
<v Ivan>and crashed into a fucking cop car drunk.

01:19:33.461 --> 01:19:36.881
<v Ivan>And he gets some kind of fucking award from some two bit bullies department.

01:19:37.001 --> 01:19:41.361
<v Sam>So going back to Roger Clinton for a second, because I had not remembered all

01:19:41.361 --> 01:19:44.501
<v Sam>of these details and talking crime families.

01:19:44.501 --> 01:19:55.681
<v Sam>One of the things that Roger Clinton did was accept a $50,000 Rolex from the Gambino crime family.

01:19:55.961 --> 01:19:57.881
<v Ivan>Holy shit. Really?

01:19:58.901 --> 01:19:59.381
<v Sam>Yes.

01:20:00.481 --> 01:20:00.721
<v Ivan>Fuck.

01:20:01.861 --> 01:20:13.081
<v Sam>Yeah. And Bill Clinton did end up pardoning Roger Clinton for a cocaine possession.

01:20:13.081 --> 01:20:15.361
<v Ivan>Session on his last day at office on.

01:20:15.361 --> 01:20:16.401
<v Sam>His last day of office.

01:20:17.345 --> 01:20:20.085
<v Sam>I think it was his last day of office. I don't actually see that it's his last

01:20:20.085 --> 01:20:22.405
<v Sam>day of office, but it was probably right before he left.

01:20:23.845 --> 01:20:26.165
<v Sam>For like, yeah, for a cocaine charge.

01:20:28.345 --> 01:20:33.485
<v Sam>Yeah. And actually, I guess the time in jail was probably the cocaine charge, not the DUI.

01:20:33.765 --> 01:20:36.765
<v Sam>I don't know for sure. But yeah, it would make sense if it was.

01:20:36.905 --> 01:20:41.945
<v Sam>It says he spent time in federal prison after being convicted of a sting operation

01:20:41.945 --> 01:20:45.265
<v Sam>for conspiracy to distribute cocaine.

01:20:45.265 --> 01:20:47.925
<v Sam>Cane so like presidents have had lots of

01:20:47.925 --> 01:20:54.425
<v Sam>family who aren't exactly sinners you know and going back a long long time probably

01:20:54.425 --> 01:21:00.785
<v Sam>to the beginning of the republic but having a messed up family is not the same

01:21:00.785 --> 01:21:06.705
<v Sam>as you being messed up yourself i'm sorry correct yeah yeah it's like Like,

01:21:06.705 --> 01:21:09.805
<v Sam>and yeah.

01:21:09.945 --> 01:21:17.125
<v Sam>So meanwhile, Donald Trump is going to Capitol Hill asking what's his name?

01:21:17.145 --> 01:21:20.745
<v Sam>Johnson to figure out how to undo his conviction.

01:21:21.605 --> 01:21:27.185
<v Sam>It's like, dude, I don't think the house of representatives has that power.

01:21:28.485 --> 01:21:30.105
<v Ivan>You know, apparently like.

01:21:30.205 --> 01:21:35.345
<v Sam>Uh, apparently Johnson, apparently Johnson's answer, by the way, was he'd work on it.

01:21:35.345 --> 01:21:41.225
<v Ivan>But well that's that's a good answer i think it's a good answer i mean if you're

01:21:41.225 --> 01:21:48.865
<v Ivan>in that that spot yeah it's a good answer i i i did see you know who the heck

01:21:48.865 --> 01:21:51.665
<v Ivan>was it my my mind's like going,

01:21:52.465 --> 01:21:56.265
<v Ivan>what was i talking no you're talking about johnson you're talking about congress

01:21:56.265 --> 01:22:03.745
<v Ivan>you know trump yeah you know so trump went to to to oh yeah he went to he also had a meeting with

01:22:03.785 --> 01:22:07.585
<v Ivan>his CEO Business Roundtable also when he was in Washington.

01:22:07.665 --> 01:22:07.705
<v Sam>Ah, right, yes.

01:22:07.905 --> 01:22:13.605
<v Ivan>Okay. Basically, anybody who actually spoke about what happened at the Business

01:22:13.605 --> 01:22:18.745
<v Ivan>Roundtable basically said that he was an incoherent mess, that he didn't know

01:22:18.745 --> 01:22:19.845
<v Ivan>anything about what, yeah.

01:22:20.685 --> 01:22:23.965
<v Sam>Yes. And by the way, that

01:22:23.965 --> 01:22:27.125
<v Sam>was also the reports from the

01:22:27.125 --> 01:22:30.045
<v Sam>people who gave off-the-record comments about his

01:22:30.045 --> 01:22:33.405
<v Sam>meeting on Capitol Hill with congressional leaders as

01:22:33.405 --> 01:22:38.685
<v Sam>well yeah uh when he met the republican caucus now the on the record folks were

01:22:38.685 --> 01:22:43.665
<v Sam>all like it was a great speech it was uplifting we're all unified but the people

01:22:43.665 --> 01:22:49.205
<v Sam>who spoke off the record were making comments like it was listening to it was

01:22:49.205 --> 01:22:51.505
<v Sam>like listening to your drunk uncle yeah.

01:22:51.505 --> 01:22:54.805
<v Ivan>Oh yeah that was the one that was listening to the drunk uncle that's right yes,

01:22:55.486 --> 01:23:00.186
<v Ivan>Yeah. And he doesn't even drink. Well, thank God Donald Trump doesn't drink.

01:23:00.366 --> 01:23:06.226
<v Ivan>Okay. Real for God's sake. All right. Yes. Can you imagine this guy drunk?

01:23:06.666 --> 01:23:13.626
<v Ivan>Okay. What the hell he would do? Oh my God. You know, thank God he doesn't drink. Good Lord.

01:23:14.226 --> 01:23:20.286
<v Sam>I mean, but yeah, the, both the CEOs and the congressional people,

01:23:20.406 --> 01:23:26.486
<v Sam>the reports are he's He's having a hard time keeping a train of thought, being coherent.

01:23:27.026 --> 01:23:32.006
<v Sam>And look, we've said Donald Trump has had these kinds of issues a long time,

01:23:32.126 --> 01:23:34.406
<v Sam>but from all reports, it's getting worse.

01:23:34.786 --> 01:23:36.106
<v Ivan>He's got a lot worse.

01:23:36.346 --> 01:23:39.486
<v Sam>And some of it is out in public, too.

01:23:39.626 --> 01:23:44.726
<v Sam>I mean, we had this whole thing with his sort of sharks versus batteries versus

01:23:44.726 --> 01:23:50.006
<v Sam>electric boats rambling statement this time around.

01:23:50.426 --> 01:23:55.666
<v Donald>Well, I went to a boat company in South Carolina. The boat, I said, how is it?

01:23:55.686 --> 01:23:58.686
<v Donald>He said, it's a problem, sir. They want us to make all electric boats.

01:23:59.106 --> 01:24:03.046
<v Donald>So I said, let me ask you a question. And he said, nobody ever asked this question.

01:24:03.306 --> 01:24:06.486
<v Donald>And it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT.

01:24:06.906 --> 01:24:12.186
<v Donald>Very smart. He goes, I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight

01:24:12.186 --> 01:24:17.806
<v Donald>and you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the

01:24:17.806 --> 01:24:22.966
<v Donald>battery is now underwater and there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there?

01:24:23.186 --> 01:24:26.406
<v Donald>By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark.

01:24:26.606 --> 01:24:30.486
<v Donald>I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that angry.

01:24:30.486 --> 01:24:35.866
<v Donald>They bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were not hungry,

01:24:35.966 --> 01:24:39.106
<v Donald>but they misunderstood who she was. These people are great.

01:24:39.486 --> 01:24:42.726
<v Donald>He said, there's no problem with sharks. They just didn't really understand

01:24:42.726 --> 01:24:44.766
<v Donald>a young woman swimming now.

01:24:44.826 --> 01:24:47.486
<v Donald>It really got decimated. And other people, too. A lot of shark addicts.

01:24:47.506 --> 01:24:54.826
<v Donald>So I said, so there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted?

01:24:55.206 --> 01:24:58.506
<v Donald>If the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery. The boat is sinking.

01:24:58.646 --> 01:25:01.366
<v Donald>Do I stay on top of the boat? and get electrocuted?

01:25:01.766 --> 01:25:05.606
<v Donald>Or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? Because I will tell

01:25:05.606 --> 01:25:08.926
<v Donald>you, he didn't know the answer. He said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.

01:25:09.386 --> 01:25:12.626
<v Donald>I said, I think it's a good question. I think there's a lot of electric current

01:25:12.626 --> 01:25:17.166
<v Donald>coming through that water. But you know what I'd do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted?

01:25:17.326 --> 01:25:19.826
<v Donald>I'll take electrocution every single time.

01:25:20.306 --> 01:25:23.366
<v Donald>I'm not getting near the shark. So we're going to end that. We're.

01:25:25.033 --> 01:25:32.693
<v Ivan>So somebody made this great AI clip of the scene in Jaws where the captain is

01:25:32.693 --> 01:25:37.553
<v Ivan>talking to Roy Scheider on one side and Richard Dreyfuss on the other side talking about,

01:25:37.633 --> 01:25:40.513
<v Ivan>you know, what they do to catch a shark or whatever.

01:25:40.513 --> 01:25:45.433
<v Ivan>And there's this ominous music in the background and you hear the ship rolling

01:25:45.433 --> 01:25:46.733
<v Ivan>and creaking and whatnot.

01:25:47.093 --> 01:25:51.273
<v Ivan>And what they did is that they got the voice of the captain,

01:25:51.593 --> 01:25:58.033
<v Ivan>okay, to basically say the speech that Trump, well, the speech,

01:25:58.233 --> 01:26:05.693
<v Ivan>the incoherent mess that Trump said about boats, batteries, sharks. And it's great.

01:26:06.833 --> 01:26:11.413
<v Ivan>I mean, it works in that environment. But I'm like, holy shit.

01:26:11.553 --> 01:26:18.833
<v Ivan>I mean, what the fuck? It coherent, complete bluster mess that was.

01:26:19.093 --> 01:26:25.673
<v Ivan>I mean, I don't understand who the hell. Listen, I not even for a candidate I really like.

01:26:25.793 --> 01:26:32.233
<v Ivan>Do I go to a rally? And this is even for candidates that say inspiring shit,

01:26:32.453 --> 01:26:36.993
<v Ivan>you know, smart shit, shit that you want to cheer for when they're saying it.

01:26:37.073 --> 01:26:40.093
<v Ivan>I mean, I, you know, I mean, I don't go to those.

01:26:40.273 --> 01:26:50.173
<v Ivan>I mean, who the hell stands out there in the heat to hear this mess of words

01:26:50.173 --> 01:26:53.713
<v Ivan>that come out that just are completely incoherent and go,

01:26:54.093 --> 01:26:57.173
<v Ivan>yay, yay, he's my guy, yay.

01:26:57.173 --> 01:27:04.513
<v Ivan>I'm like, yeah, what sharks batteries and boats sinking MIT.

01:27:05.593 --> 01:27:14.693
<v Sam>I, I have not actually listened to a whole Trump speech and to end in a long, long time.

01:27:14.853 --> 01:27:18.733
<v Sam>And apparently it's getting hard to find them.

01:27:18.793 --> 01:27:23.513
<v Sam>If you don't show up in person, nobody's covering them live.

01:27:23.613 --> 01:27:28.793
<v Sam>Not even Fox is covering them at live. Right. And people are speculating.

01:27:28.813 --> 01:27:33.153
<v Sam>Part of that is because it's not, yeah, you hear these little segments about

01:27:33.153 --> 01:27:35.873
<v Sam>like the shark and the boat and stuff that's like a couple minutes long.

01:27:36.013 --> 01:27:44.153
<v Sam>But apparently he will ramble on for two hours and it's all like this or almost all like this.

01:27:44.153 --> 01:27:48.493
<v Sam>It's just a rambling stream of conscious,

01:27:48.633 --> 01:27:55.653
<v Sam>a lot of repeated themes about how he's persecuted and how the 2020 election

01:27:55.653 --> 01:28:00.313
<v Sam>was stolen from him and Hillary Clinton and Russia,

01:28:00.413 --> 01:28:06.553
<v Sam>Russia, Russia, and just a scrambled mess of all kinds of things. that's hard to follow.

01:28:07.133 --> 01:28:10.533
<v Sam>And, you know, even the people who show up to these, like they're,

01:28:10.533 --> 01:28:15.533
<v Sam>they're often leaving before the end and all kinds of stuff. And, and,

01:28:16.021 --> 01:28:20.721
<v Sam>And so there's been a start of a debate of like with news folks,

01:28:20.861 --> 01:28:24.841
<v Sam>you know, should, should we actually start showing more of this again?

01:28:24.941 --> 01:28:29.301
<v Sam>Cause people need to see how incoherent he is.

01:28:29.881 --> 01:28:33.821
<v Ivan>I mean, there are certain people that are sharing clips, you know,

01:28:33.821 --> 01:28:38.361
<v Ivan>out there from every, from every event.

01:28:38.601 --> 01:28:40.941
<v Ivan>Okay. I mean, that, that is happening, but.

01:28:41.141 --> 01:28:44.501
<v Sam>Well, and the thing is, the thing is you wonder you, the thing,

01:28:44.501 --> 01:28:46.001
<v Sam>the thing is though, if you wonder.

01:28:46.021 --> 01:28:51.581
<v Sam>If you only show the little clips here and there, you wonder,

01:28:51.721 --> 01:28:55.241
<v Sam>is this selective editing? Is it actually fine? Because there have been some.

01:28:55.241 --> 01:29:00.381
<v Ivan>Instances- But is it like OAN or Newsmax or any of those carrying these things?

01:29:00.761 --> 01:29:02.161
<v Sam>No, not even them.

01:29:02.501 --> 01:29:02.921
<v Ivan>Wow.

01:29:03.081 --> 01:29:09.801
<v Sam>But here's the thing. There were examples even today of this coming the other

01:29:09.801 --> 01:29:11.601
<v Sam>way, where one of those that you You just mentioned,

01:29:11.661 --> 01:29:13.301
<v Sam>I don't know which one had some

01:29:13.301 --> 01:29:20.161
<v Sam>clips of Biden at an event that showed him sort of at the end of event,

01:29:20.281 --> 01:29:23.781
<v Sam>sort of wandering off aimlessly in some direction.

01:29:23.941 --> 01:29:26.161
<v Sam>And they're like, where's he going? What's he doing?

01:29:26.541 --> 01:29:31.681
<v Ivan>Oh, he was, that was the New York post. He wasn't, he went to say hi to some paratroopers.

01:29:32.781 --> 01:29:37.401
<v Sam>Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He was, they cropped it in such a way that you couldn't

01:29:37.401 --> 01:29:41.341
<v Sam>tell where he was going, but But he was actually going somewhere with a purpose

01:29:41.341 --> 01:29:43.641
<v Sam>to talk to a person who was over there.

01:29:44.001 --> 01:29:49.361
<v Sam>There was another example where they edited something in such a way that made

01:29:49.361 --> 01:29:52.361
<v Sam>it look like he was trying to sit down somewhere where there wasn't a chair.

01:29:52.561 --> 01:29:56.441
<v Sam>That also was deceptively edited. That wasn't what happened. Blah, blah, blah.

01:29:57.001 --> 01:29:59.821
<v Ivan>Well, there was another one that they were like complaining that apparently,

01:30:00.041 --> 01:30:03.001
<v Ivan>I can't remember one event, Biden was like standing there, whatever.

01:30:03.561 --> 01:30:07.281
<v Ivan>And I guess like a whole bunch of us, he can't dance worth a damn.

01:30:07.281 --> 01:30:12.481
<v Ivan>And so everybody else was dancing and you know he was there smiling or whatever

01:30:12.481 --> 01:30:16.461
<v Ivan>he was dancing and people are like look at this guy look at this whatever and

01:30:16.461 --> 01:30:22.921
<v Ivan>i'm like what he's just okay he's can't dance okay next week.

01:30:22.921 --> 01:30:25.761
<v Sam>They're gonna put out like him doing a tiktok dance or something but.

01:30:25.761 --> 01:30:28.601
<v Ivan>You know but.

01:30:28.601 --> 01:30:35.061
<v Sam>Here here's the thing the the point is that everybody at this point has to be

01:30:35.061 --> 01:30:37.101
<v Sam>wary of of deceptive editing right

01:30:37.101 --> 01:30:41.641
<v Sam>like okay Trump looked really stupid in that 30 minute 30 second clip.

01:30:41.641 --> 01:30:44.361
<v Ivan>Well and then you know add by I've got I've

01:30:44.361 --> 01:30:47.381
<v Ivan>got now I'm gonna make this curmudgeons a curmudgeon corner

01:30:47.381 --> 01:30:52.741
<v Ivan>AI and think about all the fucking you know because I've already seen from other

01:30:52.741 --> 01:30:59.781
<v Ivan>places all this deceptive shit that is using AI generated content to just spew

01:30:59.781 --> 01:31:05.221
<v Ivan>horse shit all over the place I'm not talking about just here in this election just everywhere.

01:31:06.144 --> 01:31:09.364
<v Sam>Oh, yeah, this is going to be a huge problem because it's now really,

01:31:09.464 --> 01:31:16.024
<v Sam>really easy to do the deep fakes of someone talking that is pretty convincing.

01:31:16.144 --> 01:31:19.364
<v Sam>We're like, if you're paying close attention, you can tell still.

01:31:19.624 --> 01:31:23.904
<v Sam>But if you're just casually looking, it looks like the real thing.

01:31:24.064 --> 01:31:29.764
<v Ivan>You mean to tell me Donald Trump wasn't sitting on a 50-year-old boat talking

01:31:29.764 --> 01:31:32.564
<v Ivan>to Roy Scheider? Oh, man.

01:31:33.464 --> 01:31:40.084
<v Sam>Yeah. Well, the thing is, even without that, like some of the examples I just

01:31:40.084 --> 01:31:42.364
<v Sam>gave weren't even fancy AI stuff.

01:31:42.444 --> 01:31:44.764
<v Sam>They were just like crop the video.

01:31:44.884 --> 01:31:48.884
<v Sam>So you can't see what's over to the side. Like this is simple shit that could

01:31:48.884 --> 01:31:49.784
<v Sam>have been done for years.

01:31:49.864 --> 01:31:54.264
<v Sam>But the point is that everybody needs to be on their guard.

01:31:54.404 --> 01:31:59.484
<v Sam>So if you hear like the 32nd soundbite of Trump sounding stupid,

01:31:59.484 --> 01:32:05.144
<v Sam>stupid okay maybe it was out of context now from the reports i'm hearing it's

01:32:05.144 --> 01:32:10.784
<v Sam>not out of context he very much is rambling and incoherent but you shouldn't

01:32:10.784 --> 01:32:15.324
<v Sam>trust that because you don't know like maybe they're really yeah yeah.

01:32:15.324 --> 01:32:16.504
<v Ivan>Right no i agree.

01:32:16.504 --> 01:32:22.804
<v Sam>You know you know so you gotta you you gotta you know what what is it domiata

01:32:22.804 --> 01:32:27.104
<v Sam>proviate or whatever trust but verify i just mangled the russian version,

01:32:27.304 --> 01:32:30.784
<v Sam>but you know, it's yeah. Like,

01:32:31.768 --> 01:32:36.008
<v Sam>And look, we're having this battle where the Republicans are all trying to make

01:32:36.008 --> 01:32:41.548
<v Sam>out like Biden is the old senile guy, but it's Donnie.

01:32:41.648 --> 01:32:44.228
<v Sam>Come on. He's not looking great.

01:32:44.388 --> 01:32:46.688
<v Ivan>So let's be clear. Biden is old.

01:32:47.408 --> 01:32:49.028
<v Sam>Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:32:49.888 --> 01:32:50.488
<v Ivan>Biden's old.

01:32:51.068 --> 01:32:51.548
<v Sam>Yes.

01:32:51.608 --> 01:32:55.588
<v Ivan>But, you know, I saw him the other day also doing a press conference with Zelensky,

01:32:55.728 --> 01:32:57.868
<v Ivan>asking certain questions, going through stuff or whatever.

01:32:57.868 --> 01:33:01.228
<v Ivan>Ever i've seen him do a number of interviews you know

01:33:01.228 --> 01:33:04.168
<v Ivan>this year you know he's he's done

01:33:04.168 --> 01:33:07.948
<v Ivan>several interviews with certain people you know

01:33:07.948 --> 01:33:10.868
<v Ivan>he has a you know somebody was complaining you know

01:33:10.868 --> 01:33:14.348
<v Ivan>they did this wall street shooter article that he apparently got some facts

01:33:14.348 --> 01:33:19.648
<v Ivan>confused in certain times and whatnot and i'm just like fuck i get i mean jesus

01:33:19.648 --> 01:33:23.428
<v Ivan>christ over here we're fucking like fishing through fucking google to get our

01:33:23.428 --> 01:33:27.988
<v Ivan>facts right i mean what the hell man so yeah Yeah, maybe he got a fax wrong here and there,

01:33:28.188 --> 01:33:31.248
<v Ivan>but you know, he's not, he's not, you know, he's not.

01:33:31.748 --> 01:33:36.748
<v Sam>I bet Joe Biden would have known off the top of his head, Bill Clinton's brother's name.

01:33:37.428 --> 01:33:43.168
<v Ivan>Probably. Yes. I bet you he would have. And I, and I, and I'm going to bet that

01:33:43.168 --> 01:33:47.188
<v Ivan>fucking Joe Biden also wouldn't have told me to stick a UV light up my ass and

01:33:47.188 --> 01:33:48.588
<v Ivan>check myself with bleach.

01:33:50.108 --> 01:33:53.128
<v Sam>Well, see, this is the thing. And we've talked about it, about Donald Trump

01:33:53.128 --> 01:33:59.128
<v Sam>before. I mean, it's not like he was this brilliant mind in 2016.

01:33:59.928 --> 01:34:00.968
<v Ivan>No! Yeah.

01:34:01.628 --> 01:34:07.788
<v Sam>You know, I think he is getting worse, but it's not. He was incoherent,

01:34:07.788 --> 01:34:09.228
<v Sam>you know, eight years ago.

01:34:10.108 --> 01:34:15.888
<v Sam>You know, he had his issues. And he's all the psychological issues as well, right?

01:34:16.828 --> 01:34:21.288
<v Ivan>You know, I was seeing also, like, you know, talk about his psychological issues

01:34:21.288 --> 01:34:23.508
<v Ivan>that, you know, Apparently, Dr.

01:34:23.708 --> 01:34:28.948
<v Ivan>Fauci is having a book published right now, in part talking about him being...

01:34:30.375 --> 01:34:33.935
<v Ivan>The advisor to presidents in the past and you

01:34:33.935 --> 01:34:37.295
<v Ivan>know he dedicated a significant section to you know

01:34:37.295 --> 01:34:45.275
<v Ivan>to mr you know i don't even mr trump yes where basically in the chapter entitled

01:34:45.275 --> 01:34:50.715
<v Ivan>he loves me he loves me not okay dr fauci described how mr trump repeatedly

01:34:50.715 --> 01:34:54.975
<v Ivan>told him he loved them while at the same time excoriating him with tirades flecked

01:34:54.975 --> 01:34:56.535
<v Ivan>with four-letter words okay OK,

01:34:56.555 --> 01:35:00.295
<v Ivan>the president was irate, saying that I could not keep doing this to him.

01:35:00.555 --> 01:35:05.175
<v Ivan>You know, what the fuck was he doing? He said he loved me. The country was in

01:35:05.175 --> 01:35:07.035
<v Ivan>trouble and I was making it worse.

01:35:07.195 --> 01:35:09.095
<v Ivan>He added the stock market went

01:35:09.095 --> 01:35:13.555
<v Ivan>up only 600 points in response to the positive phase one vaccine news.

01:35:13.695 --> 01:35:15.675
<v Ivan>And it should have gone up 1000 points.

01:35:15.975 --> 01:35:21.375
<v Ivan>And so I cost the country one trillion dollars. The president added an expletive.

01:35:21.615 --> 01:35:27.815
<v Ivan>I'm like, what the fuck? Fuck. I mean, this is, you know. Yeah.

01:35:29.015 --> 01:35:29.975
<v Ivan>So, yeah.

01:35:30.415 --> 01:35:34.875
<v Sam>Well, we're less than a week and a half, believe it or not, from the presidential

01:35:34.875 --> 01:35:36.835
<v Sam>debate, the first presidential debate.

01:35:37.275 --> 01:35:42.175
<v Sam>So we're going to get to see Trump and Biden head to head and see what it's

01:35:42.175 --> 01:35:43.835
<v Sam>like. It'll be interesting.

01:35:44.075 --> 01:35:49.375
<v Ivan>Okay. I got it. Okay. 50 bucks says that Trump backs out.

01:35:53.415 --> 01:36:00.635
<v Sam>I don't know. i i think his ego once will make him do it i.

01:36:00.635 --> 01:36:06.455
<v Ivan>Mean he yeah listen he might say he's gonna do it but look what about look like

01:36:06.455 --> 01:36:10.135
<v Ivan>did he testify right look at his yeah but look at his testimony in his trial

01:36:10.135 --> 01:36:15.115
<v Ivan>right he said he was gonna yo yeah yeah i'm gonna go defend myself and then

01:36:15.115 --> 01:36:18.415
<v Ivan>what do you say well they didn't let me and.

01:36:18.415 --> 01:36:22.495
<v Sam>And look you know that debate could go either way They could both come out looking

01:36:22.495 --> 01:36:25.055
<v Sam>bad. You know, who knows?

01:36:25.695 --> 01:36:31.215
<v Sam>You know, if I had to bet, I think Joe Biden will come out ahead just in terms of being.

01:36:31.615 --> 01:36:35.315
<v Sam>Well, it depends on what you're looking for. Right. And this is the fundamental

01:36:35.315 --> 01:36:36.435
<v Sam>problem with our politics.

01:36:36.635 --> 01:36:41.015
<v Sam>If you're looking for someone who seems like they know what they're doing and

01:36:41.015 --> 01:36:43.815
<v Sam>they're competent, Joe Biden will come out way ahead.

01:36:44.115 --> 01:36:49.575
<v Sam>If you're looking for somebody who's going to come out sort of angry and passionate

01:36:49.575 --> 01:36:53.495
<v Sam>and And like they're sticking it to the other guy. Trump's going to win that one.

01:36:53.855 --> 01:36:57.275
<v Ivan>I don't know about that either. Look, Trump's come out looking,

01:36:57.355 --> 01:37:01.275
<v Ivan>just sounding like an incoherent mess every time we've seen him lately talking in public.

01:37:01.615 --> 01:37:05.955
<v Ivan>And so, I mean, and so I don't know, you know.

01:37:06.953 --> 01:37:15.453
<v Ivan>And actually, Biden did a pretty good job in the state of the union of coming

01:37:15.453 --> 01:37:18.073
<v Ivan>out and pounding the table forcefully.

01:37:18.113 --> 01:37:18.513
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah.

01:37:18.813 --> 01:37:24.973
<v Ivan>So I don't know. I mean, it could be, you know, I mean, my odds are is that,

01:37:24.973 --> 01:37:30.293
<v Ivan>you know, listen, every other debate that he participated has participated has been a disaster.

01:37:30.733 --> 01:37:35.973
<v Ivan>Okay. For Trump, it's been bad or, you know, none of them have been good.

01:37:35.973 --> 01:37:40.353
<v Ivan>I mean, Hillary completely destroyed him, okay, in the debates, okay?

01:37:40.933 --> 01:37:45.433
<v Sam>Well, and that's a good example, right? She completely destroyed him in the

01:37:45.433 --> 01:37:50.213
<v Sam>debates, but did it end up affecting anything in the course of that election? No.

01:37:51.713 --> 01:37:54.533
<v Ivan>Well, no, because we had Comey.

01:37:54.973 --> 01:38:01.253
<v Sam>Right. But, yeah, I mean, the usual thing with debates, and we're going to have

01:38:01.253 --> 01:38:04.953
<v Sam>one more show before the debate, so we should maybe save this for next week.

01:38:04.953 --> 01:38:07.893
<v Sam>But like the usual thing with debates

01:38:07.893 --> 01:38:10.893
<v Sam>is that like there's no

01:38:10.893 --> 01:38:13.793
<v Sam>lasting effect like even if it has an immediate

01:38:13.793 --> 01:38:16.513
<v Sam>pop like one way or the other in the

01:38:16.513 --> 01:38:22.873
<v Sam>days immediately after there's no lasting effect with the with the exception

01:38:22.873 --> 01:38:29.633
<v Sam>of every once in a while somebody has a complete meltdown or a bad thing like

01:38:29.633 --> 01:38:34.153
<v Sam>the you know you're no jack kennedy moment kind of thing you know okay.

01:38:34.153 --> 01:38:39.273
<v Ivan>Let me let me Well, unless what the dream I had two days ago happens.

01:38:39.713 --> 01:38:41.513
<v Sam>Okay. What was your dream, Yvonne?

01:38:41.513 --> 01:38:45.073
<v Ivan>Which is, holy shit, I forgot that. I haven't mentioned this.

01:38:45.929 --> 01:38:49.969
<v Ivan>I had a fucking dream and it was so vivid. I have to check my phone,

01:38:50.089 --> 01:38:52.109
<v Ivan>make sure that this wasn't real.

01:38:52.529 --> 01:38:57.889
<v Ivan>That fucking Trump had a heart attack while at the podium on stage.

01:38:58.309 --> 01:39:02.349
<v Ivan>Okay. And they were trying to resuscitate him on the fucking,

01:39:02.389 --> 01:39:04.649
<v Ivan>on the fucking stage. Okay.

01:39:05.869 --> 01:39:09.869
<v Ivan>And, you know, and then they took, and then they took him away and I didn't

01:39:09.869 --> 01:39:11.669
<v Ivan>see what happened during the dream.

01:39:11.869 --> 01:39:15.389
<v Ivan>And then I woke up and I'm like, wait, what the fuck? Wait.

01:39:15.389 --> 01:39:19.909
<v Sam>Wait, was Joe Biden giving Donald Trump mouth-to-mouth?

01:39:20.209 --> 01:39:26.289
<v Ivan>No, no. Some random people were going and doing chest compressions on him,

01:39:26.309 --> 01:39:28.089
<v Ivan>whatever is what I'm looking at.

01:39:28.249 --> 01:39:35.969
<v Ivan>And I was like, I have to admit, I can't believe because I'm not one that really

01:39:35.969 --> 01:39:38.569
<v Ivan>is taking pleasure from anybody dying.

01:39:38.849 --> 01:39:43.449
<v Ivan>But I have to say, I was kind of excited if that was true.

01:39:44.689 --> 01:39:45.509
<v Sam>And i've.

01:39:45.509 --> 01:39:48.429
<v Ivan>Never felt like that about anybody in my life.

01:39:48.429 --> 01:39:53.929
<v Sam>Well i will say if that ends up happening yvonne the secret service will be

01:39:53.929 --> 01:39:59.629
<v Sam>coming to ask you whether you poisoned him so it.

01:39:59.629 --> 01:40:01.609
<v Ivan>Was just a dream it.

01:40:01.609 --> 01:40:07.489
<v Sam>Was just a dream just a dream no i mean so yeah debate's coming up in a couple

01:40:07.489 --> 01:40:12.369
<v Sam>weeks week and a half something like that what what other politics i think we

01:40:12.369 --> 01:40:15.189
<v Sam>got a few other things. We've got Supreme Courts going on.

01:40:15.289 --> 01:40:17.369
<v Sam>We've got Garland being held in contempt.

01:40:17.809 --> 01:40:23.049
<v Sam>We've got UK, EU, and France election stuff.

01:40:23.649 --> 01:40:25.429
<v Sam>We've got all kinds of stuff.

01:40:29.569 --> 01:40:33.969
<v Ivan>I don't know. SCOTUS said one thing one way, and then,

01:40:37.389 --> 01:40:38.949
<v Ivan>they did the,

01:40:40.570 --> 01:40:46.170
<v Ivan>abortion medication stuff they basically unanimously batted away the challenge.

01:40:46.170 --> 01:40:51.290
<v Sam>Well in it's very important how they did it they said that the particular people

01:40:51.290 --> 01:40:57.130
<v Sam>who brought the case which were doctors did not have standing in this case uh

01:40:57.130 --> 01:40:58.110
<v Sam>it's usually what they do.

01:40:58.110 --> 01:40:59.410
<v Ivan>With these they they don't.

01:40:59.410 --> 01:41:04.270
<v Sam>Right but they they they there are two things about that are that are important One,

01:41:04.770 --> 01:41:10.970
<v Sam>the way they did it also potentially makes it harder for other doctors to get

01:41:10.970 --> 01:41:15.910
<v Sam>standing in cases on all kinds of other issues or even on the abortion issue

01:41:15.910 --> 01:41:19.510
<v Sam>in the opposite direction, which may have negative consequences. is.

01:41:19.970 --> 01:41:24.990
<v Sam>Also, the way they did it very specifically leaves it open that the same issue

01:41:24.990 --> 01:41:31.550
<v Sam>can be brought back up with a different set of people almost right away because

01:41:31.550 --> 01:41:38.630
<v Sam>they didn't get to the main issue. They only stopped at standing.

01:41:38.910 --> 01:41:43.930
<v Sam>And in fact, in the other one, the bump stock decision, they did something similar.

01:41:44.110 --> 01:41:50.230
<v Sam>The problem was with the way it was done administratively, not with the general concept.

01:41:50.690 --> 01:41:57.130
<v Sam>So if they didn't touch the second amendment implications, for instance,

01:41:57.310 --> 01:42:02.510
<v Sam>it was just the ATF can't do this, it would have to be a law.

01:42:02.870 --> 01:42:08.310
<v Sam>And of course, that ends up kicking it because there's no way that would get passed as a law anyway.

01:42:08.410 --> 01:42:12.190
<v Sam>Sorry for jumping from the one to the other, but back to you, Yvonne.

01:42:13.170 --> 01:42:16.350
<v Ivan>No, but I guess, listen, but here's

01:42:16.350 --> 01:42:20.150
<v Ivan>the one thing that's happened with most of these cases when when they've been

01:42:20.150 --> 01:42:24.890
<v Ivan>you know when they get to the when they get to scotus and they get dismissed

01:42:24.890 --> 01:42:35.250
<v Ivan>with you know in that way man i don't see them coming back again very very quickly well very quickly is.

01:42:35.250 --> 01:42:39.410
<v Sam>Important the cycle is usually two to three years so like they'll be back but

01:42:39.410 --> 01:42:41.950
<v Sam>it'll be a few years it's not going to be like next No.

01:42:42.190 --> 01:42:46.710
<v Ivan>It's not. No, it usually it gets they kick the can down the road several years.

01:42:46.950 --> 01:42:51.630
<v Ivan>Okay. All right. So and that's if it comes back. In some cases,

01:42:51.650 --> 01:42:53.390
<v Ivan>I've seen that they just don't come back.

01:42:53.570 --> 01:42:58.170
<v Ivan>I mean, like, I don't expect, for example, that that bump stock ruling that

01:42:58.170 --> 01:43:03.910
<v Ivan>somebody is going to come back and try to, you know, argue something about that again.

01:43:03.910 --> 01:43:11.850
<v Sam>Well, the thing is, since they tossed out that rule for it to come back, either the,

01:43:12.670 --> 01:43:16.550
<v Sam>administration would have to try to do it again administratively without a law,

01:43:16.670 --> 01:43:21.470
<v Sam>in which case it would probably come back relatively soon, or Congress would

01:43:21.470 --> 01:43:25.270
<v Sam>actually have to pass a law about it, which, come on, with our existing Congress,

01:43:25.350 --> 01:43:26.190
<v Sam>just isn't going to happen.

01:43:26.510 --> 01:43:27.170
<v Ivan>Right. Right.

01:43:27.916 --> 01:43:33.916
<v Ivan>So I just, you know, so basically, whatever, this has been basically kicked

01:43:33.916 --> 01:43:38.716
<v Ivan>down the road a few years, like right now, at best case.

01:43:38.756 --> 01:43:42.356
<v Ivan>So worst case, everybody's going to say, forget it. We're not going to even try again.

01:43:42.516 --> 01:43:46.876
<v Ivan>But but, you know, like right now with all of these, they keep like I mean,

01:43:46.876 --> 01:43:48.676
<v Ivan>there's so many of these files.

01:43:48.676 --> 01:43:51.856
<v Ivan>But you know that there is one thing that happened recently,

01:43:52.136 --> 01:43:57.916
<v Ivan>that there was a significant change related to filings of these cases, okay?

01:43:58.336 --> 01:44:02.496
<v Ivan>Where in the last, you know, several months,

01:44:02.616 --> 01:44:08.576
<v Ivan>a change was made in federal court where there had been a number of people seeking

01:44:08.576 --> 01:44:13.576
<v Ivan>to challenge, you know, all sorts of things, okay?

01:44:13.576 --> 01:44:20.596
<v Ivan>OK, especially conservatives that had been shopping to go to this court specifically

01:44:20.596 --> 01:44:29.696
<v Ivan>in Texas that was seen as very favorable to to getting all these challenges, you know, up.

01:44:29.776 --> 01:44:32.836
<v Ivan>They were there every time that they brought something up to that court,

01:44:32.956 --> 01:44:38.496
<v Ivan>that case start, you know, got traction and and and and and started going up

01:44:38.496 --> 01:44:41.036
<v Ivan>the chain. OK, as some sort of challenge.

01:44:41.176 --> 01:44:48.476
<v Ivan>But but the federal courts made a change that you can't do this kind of shopping anymore.

01:44:48.756 --> 01:44:51.816
<v Ivan>OK, in order to limit this shit.

01:44:51.956 --> 01:44:59.496
<v Ivan>OK, and I saw that that quietly happened recently, but nobody paid a lot of

01:44:59.496 --> 01:45:01.616
<v Ivan>attention to it for whatever reason.

01:45:02.956 --> 01:45:05.976
<v Ivan>And I read it. Let me see.

01:45:06.176 --> 01:45:11.036
<v Ivan>When the hell did it come out? It happened over the last few weeks and I didn't share it.

01:45:12.090 --> 01:45:19.290
<v Ivan>Let me see. Let me try to find it. Okay, here we go. Okay, here it is. This was in March, okay?

01:45:19.730 --> 01:45:23.270
<v Ivan>The Judicial Conference of the United States published a new policy last Tuesday,

01:45:23.490 --> 01:45:25.730
<v Ivan>March 12th, to curb judge shopping in federal courts.

01:45:25.850 --> 01:45:29.930
<v Ivan>In essence, it directed district courts to randomly assign cases on a district-level

01:45:29.930 --> 01:45:32.690
<v Ivan>basis when the plaintiffs seek an actual injunction.

01:45:32.910 --> 01:45:37.150
<v Ivan>Today, a few districts adopt internal divisions that have the result of allowing

01:45:37.150 --> 01:45:39.610
<v Ivan>plaintiffs to choose the judge who will hear their cases.

01:45:39.610 --> 01:45:43.090
<v Ivan>For example, the Northern District of Texas, which is the one I was talking

01:45:43.090 --> 01:45:48.950
<v Ivan>about, assigns all cases filed Amarillo division to Judge Matthew Cash or whatever his name is.

01:45:49.030 --> 01:45:53.030
<v Ivan>Some have received cash or whatever benches more friendly to their goals and

01:45:53.030 --> 01:45:55.170
<v Ivan>have thus chose to file cases only in Amarillo.

01:45:55.350 --> 01:46:01.090
<v Ivan>In 2023, Judge whatever issued a national injunction that reversed the decades

01:46:01.090 --> 01:46:08.090
<v Ivan>long approval of Mipfer Stone, the most used abortion medication in the country.

01:46:08.090 --> 01:46:10.690
<v Ivan>Country, thus nearly prohibiting abortion access nationwide.

01:46:10.690 --> 01:46:11.970
<v Ivan>Even those cases were illegal.

01:46:12.150 --> 01:46:16.530
<v Ivan>So it goes back to this case. So the problem is that right now they changed the rule.

01:46:17.970 --> 01:46:23.630
<v Ivan>So this, this is, they, they have been funneling everything through this fucking judge.

01:46:24.130 --> 01:46:28.750
<v Ivan>Okay. That, right. It's just doing this sort of bullshit and starting the,

01:46:28.770 --> 01:46:31.430
<v Ivan>you know, steering up this shit in these cases.

01:46:31.510 --> 01:46:35.870
<v Ivan>And basically, you know what they said? No. No.

01:46:36.415 --> 01:46:42.275
<v Ivan>No more of this. And that had been the source of most of these cases.

01:46:42.435 --> 01:46:48.675
<v Ivan>And I do think that going forward, thank God, and I don't know why more people

01:46:48.675 --> 01:46:51.135
<v Ivan>didn't pay attention because this is a massive change.

01:46:52.175 --> 01:46:57.335
<v Ivan>This cuts down on a lot of this shit that's been going on from the right.

01:46:57.335 --> 01:47:01.895
<v Ivan>Right so and you know because commentators were quick were quick to tie this

01:47:01.895 --> 01:47:06.855
<v Ivan>new policy to the flood of national chasm mayor or whatever like.

01:47:06.855 --> 01:47:09.135
<v Sam>Injunctions okay as.

01:47:09.135 --> 01:47:10.575
<v Ivan>It turns out so.

01:47:10.575 --> 01:47:17.015
<v Sam>We are so good at pronouncing names and even remembering names like one of the

01:47:17.015 --> 01:47:22.615
<v Sam>things i noticed when i listened to old episodes is how often we're like actively

01:47:22.615 --> 01:47:28.195
<v Sam>avoiding saying the name we'll be like Like the prime minister of country X,

01:47:28.335 --> 01:47:30.435
<v Sam>you know, without ever mentioning the name.

01:47:30.875 --> 01:47:34.535
<v Ivan>Oh, well, the prize bidder of, you know, well, whatever the fuck,

01:47:34.555 --> 01:47:37.595
<v Ivan>you know, just like, you know, or, you know.

01:47:37.595 --> 01:47:41.475
<v Sam>Oh, that guy, you know, that guy. Yeah. That one, that one. Yeah.

01:47:41.515 --> 01:47:45.195
<v Ivan>The guy, the guy. Yeah. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:47:45.275 --> 01:47:47.235
<v Ivan>That's right. You know? Yeah. I don't know.

01:47:48.395 --> 01:47:52.915
<v Ivan>Speaking of political wipeouts. Okay. All right. Since we didn't even touch

01:47:52.915 --> 01:47:53.995
<v Ivan>this and it's not on the list.

01:47:54.035 --> 01:47:59.575
<v Sam>Wait, wait. before before you do that like just to finish off scotus just to mention.

01:47:59.575 --> 01:48:01.815
<v Ivan>Oh yeah yeah the other coast both.

01:48:01.815 --> 01:48:06.475
<v Sam>No not not the other case like both alito and thomas have been in the news again.

01:48:06.475 --> 01:48:08.575
<v Ivan>Oh god fuck.

01:48:08.575 --> 01:48:14.635
<v Sam>You know thomas for more like more bribes basically.

01:48:14.635 --> 01:48:19.775
<v Ivan>Money that more bribes i mean basically because he takes them you know there

01:48:19.775 --> 01:48:25.355
<v Ivan>was a graph that showed how much money thomas you know takes and everybody the

01:48:25.355 --> 01:48:29.455
<v Ivan>fuck else and basically it's just I mean I,

01:48:30.124 --> 01:48:34.804
<v Ivan>You know, Clarence Thomas just has a fucking deposit box in front of his house.

01:48:36.024 --> 01:48:37.684
<v Sam>Alito was number two, by the way.

01:48:38.104 --> 01:48:39.424
<v Ivan>Alito was number two. Yeah.

01:48:39.684 --> 01:48:42.324
<v Sam>Far below Thomas, but he was number two.

01:48:42.384 --> 01:48:45.724
<v Ivan>Oh, but, but, but far below Thomas, but he was number two.

01:48:46.444 --> 01:48:51.684
<v Sam>Yeah. And, but yeah, that, so Thomas was revealed to have even more of these

01:48:51.684 --> 01:48:55.064
<v Sam>gifts from generous, wealthy friends.

01:48:55.644 --> 01:49:02.344
<v Sam>Like I shouldn't say bribes. Come on. you know who amongst us doesn't regularly

01:49:02.344 --> 01:49:07.424
<v Sam>get you know private jet trips from your favorite billionaire friends you know

01:49:07.424 --> 01:49:11.724
<v Sam>i i do that every weekend every weekend yeah so,

01:49:12.404 --> 01:49:17.984
<v Sam>and they pay for my kids private school yes you know it it happens all this kind of stuff.

01:49:17.984 --> 01:49:22.704
<v Ivan>Country club country club memberships i know you have several country club memberships.

01:49:22.704 --> 01:49:25.864
<v Sam>Yeah because you know i'm all about the golf yeah.

01:49:25.864 --> 01:49:27.464
<v Ivan>You know i i know you love that golf.

01:49:27.464 --> 01:49:28.164
<v Sam>I mean.

01:49:28.164 --> 01:49:32.084
<v Ivan>Oof, let me tell you. You and that golf. My God.

01:49:32.084 --> 01:49:38.704
<v Sam>Anyway, and then Alito and his wife were both caught on on secret recordings

01:49:38.704 --> 01:49:43.204
<v Sam>where there's some progressive activist who infiltrates. This is apparently her thing.

01:49:43.324 --> 01:49:47.784
<v Sam>She infiltrates conservative events, pretending to be a religious conservative

01:49:47.784 --> 01:49:54.744
<v Sam>and trying to get people to say things that would be embarrassing if made public.

01:49:54.784 --> 01:49:59.184
<v Sam>And she succeeded in this on both Alito and Alito's wife.

01:50:01.210 --> 01:50:06.310
<v Sam>With Alito saying things about how it was important that, first of all,

01:50:06.310 --> 01:50:09.870
<v Sam>the divisions in this country would not be solved by compromise.

01:50:09.990 --> 01:50:10.930
<v Sam>Somebody's going to win.

01:50:11.990 --> 01:50:13.670
<v Sam>And by the way, which I agree with.

01:50:15.130 --> 01:50:20.610
<v Ivan>Alito's comments were not that bad. Okay. All right. I mean, he.

01:50:20.610 --> 01:50:24.490
<v Sam>Also said something about returning the country to godliness,

01:50:24.690 --> 01:50:27.630
<v Sam>et cetera. There were comments that were sort of like.

01:50:27.630 --> 01:50:31.650
<v Ivan>But his comments were not, they were like a little bit, you know,

01:50:31.690 --> 01:50:34.250
<v Ivan>I wasn't comfortable with, but they weren't that bad.

01:50:34.250 --> 01:50:38.550
<v Sam>They were like the things you wouldn't expect. You would expect even if a judge

01:50:38.550 --> 01:50:41.390
<v Sam>believed these things, they wouldn't say them publicly.

01:50:41.550 --> 01:50:41.970
<v Ivan>Correct.

01:50:42.090 --> 01:50:49.150
<v Sam>But also you'd want a judge to be more cognizant of their role,

01:50:49.390 --> 01:50:53.410
<v Sam>that even if they, for instance, have deeply held religious beliefs,

01:50:53.630 --> 01:51:00.250
<v Sam>that they wouldn't be implying that the country should- But we.

01:51:00.250 --> 01:51:02.730
<v Ivan>Knew this about this guy. Okay. All right. Right.

01:51:02.730 --> 01:51:06.010
<v Sam>So we know this about this guy. But also it was in contrast.

01:51:06.070 --> 01:51:11.250
<v Sam>She got Roberts on tape with the same question. And Roberts responded exactly

01:51:11.250 --> 01:51:13.590
<v Sam>the way you would want somebody in his position.

01:51:13.610 --> 01:51:15.690
<v Ivan>Yes. Yes. That that. Exactly.

01:51:16.270 --> 01:51:20.010
<v Sam>He basically said, well, you know, I shouldn't be the arbiter of morals.

01:51:20.130 --> 01:51:21.330
<v Sam>I'm the arbiter of the laws.

01:51:21.470 --> 01:51:26.230
<v Sam>That's up for Congress and the president and the political elected people.

01:51:26.970 --> 01:51:30.810
<v Ivan>Roberts, I mean, you know what? I heard Roberts and Roberts made me feel,

01:51:30.930 --> 01:51:34.450
<v Ivan>I mean, I felt better after hearing Roberts. Can I be honest?

01:51:34.890 --> 01:51:38.670
<v Sam>Yeah. I mean, Robert said, no, I don't think it is a Christian country.

01:51:38.750 --> 01:51:41.370
<v Sam>My Muslim and Jewish friends would not think so.

01:51:41.630 --> 01:51:44.170
<v Sam>And, you know, so Roberts seemed very reasonable.

01:51:44.830 --> 01:51:47.830
<v Sam>Alito less so. And Alito's wife just seems like a nut job.

01:51:48.411 --> 01:51:53.511
<v Ivan>Oh, my God. Alito's wife is a psychopath. Now, I will say that after seeing

01:51:53.511 --> 01:52:00.071
<v Ivan>that, I do totally believe what Alito said about it was his wife that did the

01:52:00.071 --> 01:52:01.951
<v Ivan>whole flag thing. And not just that.

01:52:02.031 --> 01:52:08.771
<v Ivan>She actually flat out said, hey, you can't control me. I do whatever the hell I want.

01:52:08.851 --> 01:52:13.911
<v Ivan>I'm like, I'm like, OK, so Alito. OK. She did say.

01:52:13.911 --> 01:52:18.771
<v Sam>That right now she is refraining from additional flag things.

01:52:18.771 --> 01:52:26.111
<v Ivan>Because he asked her respect for him because he asked her. He asked her not to. So, yeah. So, yes.

01:52:26.211 --> 01:52:30.511
<v Sam>Now, and to be clear, the asking her not to was after all this blew up.

01:52:30.591 --> 01:52:35.151
<v Sam>She was specifically saying she wanted to put up a flag to counter the pride

01:52:35.151 --> 01:52:41.991
<v Sam>flags that she could see, like to to basically say shame on you for the pride flag.

01:52:41.991 --> 01:52:45.851
<v Sam>But she is refraining from doing that at his request.

01:52:45.851 --> 01:52:48.151
<v Ivan>Yeah so yeah.

01:52:48.151 --> 01:52:51.431
<v Sam>Okay you you were going to talk about election wipeouts.

01:52:51.431 --> 01:52:57.051
<v Ivan>Speaking about political wipeouts i don't know if you've seen well i i'm pretty

01:52:57.051 --> 01:53:02.511
<v Ivan>sure you know even if these polls are off by some it seems like the tories are

01:53:02.511 --> 01:53:06.691
<v Ivan>going to get completely destroyed at this election that's soon not called,

01:53:07.828 --> 01:53:08.808
<v Ivan>I mean, they're like.

01:53:08.908 --> 01:53:12.908
<v Sam>Even if they have a surprise on an upside, they're still going to lose it.

01:53:12.988 --> 01:53:16.428
<v Ivan>But, but it's not just, it's not just a loss. I mean, they're,

01:53:16.428 --> 01:53:19.248
<v Ivan>they're, they're getting annihilated.

01:53:19.748 --> 01:53:23.388
<v Sam>Oh, I know that it looks like they're, they're going to have like,

01:53:23.448 --> 01:53:25.668
<v Sam>they're going to have like almost nothing left.

01:53:26.248 --> 01:53:26.688
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:53:26.848 --> 01:53:31.228
<v Sam>You know, at least that's what it looks like. We will wait and see what the actual results are.

01:53:31.288 --> 01:53:36.188
<v Ivan>But I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, I, I, I am jealous.

01:53:37.248 --> 01:53:43.288
<v Ivan>Okay. to a certain degree because it's what i wish would happen to the republicans over here.

01:53:43.288 --> 01:53:46.188
<v Sam>Yeah like i like i

01:53:46.188 --> 01:53:48.928
<v Sam>i i keep thinking i i've said for

01:53:48.928 --> 01:53:52.428
<v Sam>years now i look forward to the day when the

01:53:52.428 --> 01:53:56.128
<v Sam>republican party dies out and american politics becomes

01:53:56.128 --> 01:54:00.488
<v Sam>essentially a battle between the obama

01:54:00.488 --> 01:54:03.768
<v Sam>and hillary wings of the democratic party yeah no

01:54:03.768 --> 01:54:06.628
<v Sam>or the hillary and and bernie wings the

01:54:06.628 --> 01:54:12.528
<v Sam>hillary and bernie wings is better right you know i i that yes that's where

01:54:12.528 --> 01:54:18.028
<v Sam>i hope things will go but no we we are clearly nowhere near that yeah no we

01:54:18.028 --> 01:54:26.348
<v Sam>we we we are we there's a significant chance that donald trump will be president again so but.

01:54:26.348 --> 01:54:32.488
<v Ivan>But it's like i mean man But the Tories are going to get absolutely destroyed,

01:54:32.648 --> 01:54:35.848
<v Ivan>you know, and it's their own doing.

01:54:35.908 --> 01:54:39.668
<v Ivan>I mean, they basically got Brexit done.

01:54:40.128 --> 01:54:43.568
<v Ivan>Yeah, they basically got Brexit done.

01:54:43.688 --> 01:54:49.388
<v Ivan>They did it. And now basically their party is going to get almost wiped off

01:54:49.388 --> 01:54:57.308
<v Ivan>the map because the reality has finally, finally settled in with everybody.

01:54:57.648 --> 01:55:06.728
<v Ivan>Holy shit. What a bad, bad, bad, bad thing we got. We bought.

01:55:07.088 --> 01:55:08.388
<v Ivan>It's so bad.

01:55:09.331 --> 01:55:10.851
<v Ivan>So, so yeah, I mean.

01:55:10.911 --> 01:55:13.851
<v Sam>You know, it's talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

01:55:14.051 --> 01:55:14.531
<v Ivan>Yeah.

01:55:14.611 --> 01:55:21.731
<v Sam>No, it's like, yeah. And, and like anybody who knew anybody who knew anything

01:55:21.731 --> 01:55:24.711
<v Sam>predicted it too. Like, yes, yes.

01:55:25.391 --> 01:55:30.271
<v Sam>And just like, well, and meanwhile, we've got what, what, what was Donald Trump's

01:55:30.271 --> 01:55:35.431
<v Sam>latest, like get rid of the income tax and replace it all with 85% tariffs on everything imported.

01:55:35.831 --> 01:55:40.331
<v Ivan>He basically took the Herbert Hoover economic plan. I mean, ask her,

01:55:40.351 --> 01:55:42.431
<v Ivan>check out how that worked out and.

01:55:42.431 --> 01:55:43.571
<v Sam>How well did that work out?

01:55:43.691 --> 01:55:47.811
<v Ivan>Yeah, exactly. I'm like, it's this guy. I mean, fuck.

01:55:48.031 --> 01:55:53.831
<v Ivan>I mean, this guy, you know, his economists are just dumb. What the fuck is wrong with all of them?

01:55:54.031 --> 01:55:56.831
<v Ivan>Well, of course he didn't use economists. What am I, what am I thinking?

01:55:56.951 --> 01:56:00.131
<v Ivan>He came up with this, but did you see the European parliament elections that

01:56:00.131 --> 01:56:05.431
<v Ivan>did get a, a rightward shift in, in the European parliament.

01:56:05.471 --> 01:56:08.751
<v Sam>But, but the centrist party still still retained control

01:56:08.751 --> 01:56:11.611
<v Sam>but the right wing grew a lot the right

01:56:11.611 --> 01:56:14.931
<v Sam>wing and it was it was it did very significantly

01:56:14.931 --> 01:56:19.791
<v Sam>country to country overall europe-wide the right wing grew a lot and specifically

01:56:19.791 --> 01:56:25.291
<v Sam>in germany and france uh the right wing did really well and so that also resulted

01:56:25.291 --> 01:56:31.791
<v Sam>in france calling a special election for their parliament in like in like two weeks i.

01:56:31.791 --> 01:56:34.311
<v Ivan>Don't know why he called it because he's going to get crushed.

01:56:35.971 --> 01:56:40.911
<v Sam>Well, I think part of it, like I was seeing somebody say,

01:56:41.571 --> 01:56:45.491
<v Sam>there was a previous iteration somewhere,

01:56:46.071 --> 01:56:52.231
<v Sam>where basically this kind of thing happened and they let it linger and sort

01:56:52.231 --> 01:56:58.191
<v Sam>of it was held over the government for a year, year and a half, something like that.

01:56:58.411 --> 01:57:02.451
<v Sam>And the whole time it was just sort of shenanigans that didn't go well.

01:57:02.731 --> 01:57:07.471
<v Sam>So it's sort of pulling the Band-Aid off. And I guess his hope is like he's

01:57:07.471 --> 01:57:10.671
<v Sam>saying like, look, this is your chance right now.

01:57:11.291 --> 01:57:17.611
<v Sam>Repudiate this stuff, nip it in the bud so that like if Macron actually wins.

01:57:17.971 --> 01:57:21.431
<v Ivan>It did work one time before. So, OK, so.

01:57:21.831 --> 01:57:26.671
<v Sam>Yeah, like if Macron actually wins at this point, then he's sort of neutered

01:57:26.671 --> 01:57:28.631
<v Sam>the right wing attack for several years.

01:57:29.031 --> 01:57:32.171
<v Sam>Now, of course, if he loses, whole other story.

01:57:32.731 --> 01:57:35.511
<v Sam>But, you know, that's the gamble, I guess.

01:57:35.791 --> 01:57:41.191
<v Sam>And the thing is, this is also like, you know, the whole European thing of like,

01:57:41.311 --> 01:57:46.331
<v Sam>I mean, what, in the UK, the election was called, what, a month and a half in advance?

01:57:46.591 --> 01:57:50.651
<v Sam>I mean, in France, they didn't even bother with that. It was like three weeks, two and a half.

01:57:51.351 --> 01:57:56.191
<v Sam>Like, I guess the election is actually in two rounds. But the first one's on June 30th.

01:57:56.750 --> 01:58:00.670
<v Sam>Which is like, we're talking two and a half weeks.

01:58:01.170 --> 01:58:07.250
<v Sam>Like, our freaking election cycles are more than four years.

01:58:07.610 --> 01:58:10.890
<v Sam>People start running for the next one before the next one even happens.

01:58:11.170 --> 01:58:14.630
<v Ivan>I kind of wish for this election cycle. Can I be honest? I mean,

01:58:14.670 --> 01:58:18.090
<v Ivan>I really, you know, I mean, this would not be so bad.

01:58:18.770 --> 01:58:25.370
<v Ivan>I do like the idea of like, you know, well, Mexico has six-year election terms for president.

01:58:25.370 --> 01:58:30.950
<v Ivan>President and so and but it's only a one term okay for for the presidency i

01:58:30.950 --> 01:58:35.830
<v Ivan>actually kind of like that one to be honest because they can't run again oh.

01:58:35.830 --> 01:58:39.950
<v Sam>And mexico had a recent election as well new new female president etc.

01:58:39.950 --> 01:58:44.630
<v Ivan>Yeah there's a new female president that won there's a lot of we'll get she's not.

01:58:44.630 --> 01:58:46.190
<v Sam>Sworn in yet but she won the election.

01:58:46.190 --> 01:58:50.950
<v Ivan>Yeah it's it's yeah it's like six months you know the the they have a super

01:58:50.950 --> 01:58:53.370
<v Ivan>long like uh you know from election

01:58:53.370 --> 01:58:57.390
<v Ivan>to inauguration it's like fricking six months takes forever. Yeah.

01:58:57.730 --> 01:59:00.230
<v Sam>And you think ours is long at three months, you know?

01:59:00.230 --> 01:59:03.290
<v Ivan>Yeah, I know. Yeah, no, no, there there's, yeah, it's like, yeah,

01:59:03.310 --> 01:59:05.610
<v Ivan>she's not getting into office until end or.

01:59:05.610 --> 01:59:07.090
<v Sam>Two and a half, whatever it is.

01:59:07.310 --> 01:59:11.990
<v Ivan>So, but, but it's like with their case, I've heard her speak many times.

01:59:12.050 --> 01:59:13.430
<v Ivan>She's very bright and very articulate.

01:59:13.970 --> 01:59:20.910
<v Ivan>What a lot of her detractors are, are saying is that she's a puppet to the current president who is.

01:59:21.844 --> 01:59:26.484
<v Ivan>Basically sounds a lot like Trump. I mean, in terms of his coherence. AMLO.

01:59:26.924 --> 01:59:31.664
<v Ivan>Yeah, who just says a lot of incoherent shit and does a whole bunch of dumb shit.

01:59:32.324 --> 01:59:37.684
<v Ivan>His economy has improved. And I will say that the one thing that he has done

01:59:37.684 --> 01:59:42.144
<v Ivan>versus other Latin American presidents, it's give a lot more money to the poor.

01:59:42.444 --> 01:59:46.184
<v Ivan>And, you know, they have a lot of income inequality. And Mexico has been doing

01:59:46.184 --> 01:59:47.964
<v Ivan>well, so he's giving a lot more money to the poor.

01:59:48.144 --> 01:59:52.864
<v Ivan>I don't begrudge him for that. I think that's great. But he also did stuff like

01:59:52.864 --> 02:00:00.064
<v Ivan>he killed a project that was halfway done to build a new airport for Mexico

02:00:00.064 --> 02:00:04.464
<v Ivan>City after several billion dollars had been spent.

02:00:04.464 --> 02:00:13.124
<v Ivan>And to basically build another airport that he decided in a location that he chose of his own.

02:00:13.384 --> 02:00:20.104
<v Ivan>The other airport had a long-term plan designed by all this shit that you do

02:00:20.104 --> 02:00:23.704
<v Ivan>in order to really build something that was well thought out.

02:00:24.484 --> 02:00:28.404
<v Ivan>The new airport that he built, basically nobody's flying to it.

02:00:28.724 --> 02:00:34.744
<v Ivan>And so the overcapacity problem at the existing airport in Mexico City is basically the same.

02:00:34.944 --> 02:00:40.844
<v Ivan>And so basically he squandered like $7 billion and did nothing.

02:00:41.544 --> 02:00:44.344
<v Ivan>And oh, by the way, the other airport, some people are thinking,

02:00:44.384 --> 02:00:49.004
<v Ivan>oh, well, maybe, you know, when he gets out of office, we'll continue to construction.

02:00:49.204 --> 02:00:56.184
<v Ivan>No, he went and he flooded the construction site because it was on a dry lake bed.

02:00:56.464 --> 02:01:01.304
<v Ivan>He decided to flood it. And so therefore you can't even salvage the several billion dollars spent.

02:01:02.160 --> 02:01:07.180
<v Sam>Nice. So do you think she's actually a puppet of his? Or is she going to be

02:01:07.180 --> 02:01:08.660
<v Sam>actually her own independent person?

02:01:08.860 --> 02:01:13.400
<v Sam>Because she seems like she's well-educated. She was a scientist, blah, blah, blah.

02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:19.180
<v Ivan>Man, I got to tell you something. I, yeah, I, you know what?

02:01:19.740 --> 02:01:24.140
<v Ivan>I'm, you know, my Mexican friends say, no, no, no. She's just a puppet.

02:01:24.480 --> 02:01:29.960
<v Ivan>And I know that they're very, you know, close and passionate about this, closer than I am.

02:01:30.180 --> 02:01:34.020
<v Ivan>But I'm looking at this more from the objective political-like situation.

02:01:34.280 --> 02:01:36.380
<v Ivan>And one of the things that I've seen when this shit happens,

02:01:36.480 --> 02:01:40.140
<v Ivan>especially when that guy can't come back to office, right?

02:01:40.420 --> 02:01:43.880
<v Ivan>Right. And I'm just like, you know what? But listen, this guy may,

02:01:43.980 --> 02:01:49.760
<v Ivan>I've seen this before with candidates of other parties and other places, okay?

02:01:50.320 --> 02:01:55.160
<v Ivan>Man, when that person goes in, it's like, listen, you're not the fucking president.

02:01:55.200 --> 02:01:57.640
<v Ivan>Fuck you. I'm doing what the hell I want.

02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:04.940
<v Ivan>So I really, you know, I'm waiting and seeing because from what I hear her and

02:02:04.940 --> 02:02:08.280
<v Ivan>what she says she wants to do and what she wants to do, tell you what,

02:02:08.400 --> 02:02:12.960
<v Ivan>I, you know, it doesn't to sound bad but i understand the fear that people have

02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:16.380
<v Ivan>so because of the current president

02:02:16.380 --> 02:02:20.540
<v Ivan>but we'll know pretty soon enough how that's going to turn out okay.

02:02:20.540 --> 02:02:25.340
<v Sam>So anyway all of these election cycles are nice and short so like you announce

02:02:25.340 --> 02:02:29.600
<v Sam>an election and a few weeks later you're done as opposed to like us talking

02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:31.900
<v Sam>about the election for four fucking years.

02:02:31.900 --> 02:02:37.860
<v Ivan>We've been fucking i mean for fucking christ sakes i mean donald trump has been

02:02:37.860 --> 02:02:42.800
<v Ivan>running for re-election for what for For three years, basically?

02:02:43.820 --> 02:02:46.440
<v Sam>Officially, right. But he never really stopped, right? Well,

02:02:46.500 --> 02:02:48.660
<v Sam>as far as he's concerned, he's been president the whole time.

02:02:49.020 --> 02:02:49.780
<v Ivan>Well, yeah.

02:02:49.920 --> 02:02:52.920
<v Sam>He was always the rightful president, you know? Right.

02:02:53.460 --> 02:02:53.940
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:02:54.040 --> 02:03:00.400
<v Sam>At least we did not get the spectacle of him trying to pretend he was president from Mar-a-Lago.

02:03:01.253 --> 02:03:02.773
<v Sam>Like, you know, I.

02:03:02.773 --> 02:03:04.073
<v Ivan>Don't know what that would have been funny though.

02:03:04.153 --> 02:03:11.453
<v Sam>He could have tried that. Like, you know, but yeah. Anyway, I think we're done here, Yvonne.

02:03:11.873 --> 02:03:13.153
<v Ivan>All right. Done.

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<v Sam>We'll have to talk about Apple intelligence some other time.

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<v Sam>Next time we want to talk about AI.

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<v Ivan>Steve Wozniak referred to, well, I have AI actual intelligence.

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<v Sam>Ah, nice.

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<v Ivan>Yeah.

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<v Sam>There you go. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we are done here.

02:03:30.933 --> 02:03:35.433
<v Sam>The stuff at the end, go to curmudgeons-corner.com.

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<v Sam>You will find all the ways to contact us, Mastodon, email, Facebook, et cetera.

02:03:41.773 --> 02:03:45.773
<v Sam>I don't know why I said et cetera. Those are the three ways that are on there. There's no others.

02:03:46.113 --> 02:03:47.613
<v Ivan>There's no others? Okay.

02:03:48.033 --> 02:03:50.393
<v Sam>There's no others. Those are the three that are on there.

02:03:51.093 --> 02:03:51.493
<v Ivan>Telepathy.

02:03:52.053 --> 02:03:56.813
<v Sam>Ooh, that's good. I guess you could also contact us through Patreon by just

02:03:56.813 --> 02:04:00.213
<v Sam>giving us cash. That is a good way to contact us.

02:04:00.593 --> 02:04:03.413
<v Ivan>Yes. Just send. That's correct. Yes. Yeah.

02:04:03.493 --> 02:04:08.153
<v Sam>We, we don't need any words. We don't need like long statements of love.

02:04:08.913 --> 02:04:11.353
<v Sam>Just send cash. That, that works.

02:04:11.453 --> 02:04:12.753
<v Ivan>Yes, that works good.

02:04:12.833 --> 02:04:20.873
<v Sam>So, so on our Patreon at various levels, you can, you can get us mentioning on you on the show.

02:04:20.993 --> 02:04:24.353
<v Sam>You can get us ringing a bell. Where's the bell? Where's the bell?

02:04:26.353 --> 02:04:26.833
<v Break>Bell.

02:04:27.513 --> 02:04:29.313
<v Ivan>Where'd my bell go? Oh, it's hard.

02:04:29.453 --> 02:04:33.853
<v Sam>I'm yeah. You lost the stupid bell. You lost the microphone.

02:04:33.853 --> 02:04:37.233
<v Sam>I gave you, you know, all you're just losing things left and right.

02:04:37.333 --> 02:04:39.073
<v Ivan>I know. I know. I know.

02:04:40.956 --> 02:04:45.156
<v Sam>Anyway, we will mention you on the show. We will send you a postcard. We will send you a mug.

02:04:45.716 --> 02:04:50.496
<v Sam>And at $2 a month or more, or if you just ask us, we will invite you to the

02:04:50.496 --> 02:04:54.016
<v Sam>Curmudgeon's Chorus Slack where Yvonne and I and a bunch of other folks,

02:04:54.096 --> 02:04:56.816
<v Sam>including Bruce and Pete,

02:04:57.036 --> 02:05:01.296
<v Sam>who co-hosted the last couple of weeks, are hanging out and sharing links and

02:05:01.296 --> 02:05:03.016
<v Sam>talking and all of that kind of stuff.

02:05:03.696 --> 02:05:08.196
<v Sam>You know, Bruce gave some additional follow up on Ocean Gate after talking about

02:05:08.196 --> 02:05:09.476
<v Sam>it on the show two weeks ago.

02:05:09.476 --> 02:05:14.896
<v Sam>Pete has shared some information about what you might want to do if you want

02:05:14.896 --> 02:05:18.916
<v Sam>to get up and running with the 3-in-3 game we talked about last week.

02:05:19.156 --> 02:05:22.656
<v Sam>So there's all kinds of fun stuff on there and all the sharing of the news and everything.

02:05:22.916 --> 02:05:26.556
<v Sam>I should mention before I get Yvonne's example from the Patreon,

02:05:26.736 --> 02:05:28.316
<v Sam>not from the Patreon, from the Slack.

02:05:29.296 --> 02:05:31.956
<v Sam>Did I even say, like, yeah, we would invite you to Slack, blah,

02:05:31.996 --> 02:05:33.596
<v Sam>blah, blah. I'm confusing myself.

02:05:33.856 --> 02:05:37.596
<v Sam>But yeah, our archives are also on the website. You can look at all our old

02:05:37.596 --> 02:05:39.276
<v Sam>shows, listen to all our old shows.

02:05:39.476 --> 02:05:43.596
<v Sam>I should say, and look at transcripts recently. I had to mess around with the

02:05:43.596 --> 02:05:46.876
<v Sam>code that does the transcript again two weeks ago because once again,

02:05:46.956 --> 02:05:53.556
<v Sam>they changed the format of the HTML that I get from Alphonic, which tells,

02:05:54.136 --> 02:06:00.876
<v Sam>me I should stop grabbing the HTML and actually grab the VTT transcript file that they have there,

02:06:00.996 --> 02:06:06.216
<v Sam>which I can also use for the podcast 2.0 stuff to let you see the transcript

02:06:06.216 --> 02:06:09.616
<v Sam>embedded in your podcast player. So maybe I'll do that one of these weeks.

02:06:09.936 --> 02:06:15.116
<v Sam>I'm yeah. One of these weeks, I just need a little extra time and yeah, that's it.

02:06:15.176 --> 02:06:19.716
<v Sam>So Yvonne, what is an example of something from the curmudgeons corner Slack

02:06:19.716 --> 02:06:26.736
<v Sam>this week that is interesting and exciting and will make people want to join us on the Slack?

02:06:27.336 --> 02:06:30.916
<v Ivan>Well, since I mentioned already the other, other link, well,

02:06:30.996 --> 02:06:33.056
<v Ivan>there is this one that was posted recently.

02:06:34.070 --> 02:06:38.570
<v Ivan>Elon Musk demands money back from employees he laid off.

02:06:39.470 --> 02:06:42.630
<v Ivan>Clawback after firing a number of Twitter staff in Australia,

02:06:42.850 --> 02:06:46.070
<v Ivan>the platform's new owner, Elon Musk, is threatening to take him to court,

02:06:46.170 --> 02:06:50.210
<v Ivan>demanding to claw back payments after claiming the company had overpaid them.

02:06:50.570 --> 02:06:54.130
<v Ivan>About two years later, after he fired them, this son of a bitch wants to go

02:06:54.130 --> 02:06:58.350
<v Ivan>and fucking get money back to these supposedly overpaid people.

02:06:58.990 --> 02:07:05.230
<v Sam>That's nice of him. And our listener, Bob, shared that story. So thank you, Bob.

02:07:05.530 --> 02:07:11.330
<v Ivan>I will say that I had a company. The company did a payment to me. Okay.

02:07:12.650 --> 02:07:16.670
<v Ivan>It wasn't an overpayment, to be clear.

02:07:16.830 --> 02:07:21.650
<v Ivan>But what happened was that I got paid during one role and I switched roles.

02:07:22.470 --> 02:07:25.990
<v Ivan>And they thought that I should give the money back.

02:07:26.230 --> 02:07:32.310
<v Ivan>That was their opinion about it. And they sent me a thing asking for the money

02:07:32.310 --> 02:07:37.530
<v Ivan>to be, for me to, they didn't even ask me to, like, it's not a notification

02:07:37.530 --> 02:07:38.650
<v Ivan>they were taking the money back.

02:07:38.730 --> 02:07:42.410
<v Ivan>Because I've had this happen at some other jobs with sales where a sale got

02:07:42.410 --> 02:07:45.790
<v Ivan>reversed and, well, no, no, no, no, you owe us this money back.

02:07:45.950 --> 02:07:48.650
<v Ivan>I actually had that happen recently. That's normal.

02:07:48.950 --> 02:07:51.830
<v Ivan>But these guys, they knew they were on thin ice.

02:07:51.870 --> 02:07:56.450
<v Ivan>So they sent me a note that basically for me to sign an authorization to take

02:07:56.450 --> 02:07:58.790
<v Ivan>the money out of my paycheck. I said, listen.

02:07:59.706 --> 02:08:03.246
<v Ivan>I'm not voluntarily turning over this money, okay?

02:08:03.666 --> 02:08:06.746
<v Ivan>You guys want to send me a notice that you want me to acknowledge,

02:08:06.886 --> 02:08:11.206
<v Ivan>basically, to acknowledge and to tell me that you're taking the money?

02:08:11.326 --> 02:08:16.906
<v Ivan>You go and fucking take the money. But I'm not fucking, I'm not basically signing

02:08:16.906 --> 02:08:20.966
<v Ivan>a fucking electronic funds authorization for you to take the money out.

02:08:21.206 --> 02:08:22.626
<v Ivan>Screw yourselves. You know what?

02:08:22.906 --> 02:08:28.366
<v Ivan>They said they didn't try again, which is what I would do if I was a Twitter fucking employee,

02:08:28.366 --> 02:08:35.046
<v Ivan>is to say fuck you sue me okay you know it's like i thought he got 50 billion

02:08:35.046 --> 02:08:38.026
<v Ivan>dollars more now you know and he's still bitching although.

02:08:38.026 --> 02:08:42.046
<v Sam>That's still in court right the the board it got approved by the shareholder

02:08:42.046 --> 02:08:45.046
<v Sam>vote or whatever but it's still going to go through court and blah blah blah.

02:08:45.046 --> 02:08:47.226
<v Ivan>Yeah yeah we we all.

02:08:47.226 --> 02:08:51.126
<v Sam>Know elon's just a dick i mean that's the bottom line right.

02:08:51.126 --> 02:08:55.266
<v Ivan>I mean on average you know yeah and the one thing the one thing about this is

02:08:55.266 --> 02:08:58.966
<v Ivan>that you know people are saying well, how come he won the vote? Well, think about this.

02:08:59.546 --> 02:09:06.886
<v Ivan>The stock is down 70%, like in the order of 60-70% since its peak.

02:09:07.286 --> 02:09:14.026
<v Ivan>That means that all these people that thought he's a lunatic already sold their shares.

02:09:14.346 --> 02:09:19.306
<v Ivan>So the only people left over are these people that I guess they're fine with

02:09:19.306 --> 02:09:26.026
<v Ivan>turning over 25% right now of their stake to him. I'm like, yeah, he's crazy.

02:09:26.426 --> 02:09:29.226
<v Ivan>Yeah it just makes no sense so anyway.

02:09:29.226 --> 02:09:37.086
<v Sam>Yeah okay are we done yep okay well you know only two segments this time but

02:09:37.086 --> 02:09:39.486
<v Sam>two long segments so sorry guys

02:09:39.486 --> 02:09:46.206
<v Sam>anyway that is yet another curmudgeons corner in the can as they say the.

02:09:46.206 --> 02:09:47.966
<v Ivan>Can can the can.

02:09:47.966 --> 02:09:53.166
<v Sam>In the can it refers to the old like cans that you You put film in?

02:09:53.266 --> 02:09:57.806
<v Ivan>Oh, yeah, that's right. I worked at a company that made those.

02:09:58.466 --> 02:10:03.946
<v Sam>Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we are done. Everybody, as usual, stay safe,

02:10:03.986 --> 02:10:06.226
<v Sam>have fun, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:10:06.926 --> 02:10:13.046
<v Sam>And if all goes as expected, we'll be back again next week. So we'll talk to you later. Goodbye.

02:10:13.686 --> 02:10:14.126
<v Ivan>Bye.

02:10:43.050 --> 02:10:45.070
<v Sam>Okay, watch this, Yvonne. This is exciting.

02:10:47.910 --> 02:10:48.450
<v Ivan>Yeah.

02:10:50.470 --> 02:10:54.310
<v Ivan>Oh, you're rising. You are rising.

02:10:55.450 --> 02:10:56.790
<v Sam>I am rising.

02:10:58.390 --> 02:10:59.970
<v Ivan>He has risen.

02:11:00.550 --> 02:11:03.950
<v Sam>I have risen. Just like what? The Poppin' Fresh Doughboy.

02:11:04.450 --> 02:11:05.210
<v Ivan>There you go.

02:11:06.430 --> 02:11:08.250
<v Sam>And now I'm blurry.

02:11:08.530 --> 02:11:09.670
<v Ivan>Now you're blurry again.

02:11:09.910 --> 02:11:13.250
<v Sam>Anyway, yeah, I'm now standing Standing at my standing desk,

02:11:13.370 --> 02:11:16.230
<v Sam>it is so exciting. Is this, this is the highest it goes, right?

02:11:16.610 --> 02:11:18.950
<v Sam>Yeah. I went to the high mark.

02:11:19.630 --> 02:11:22.910
<v Sam>Anyway, this is actually a little higher than I would normally stand at it.

02:11:22.930 --> 02:11:26.430
<v Sam>Unless I was on that little balance thing. If I'm on the little balance thing.

02:11:26.690 --> 02:11:27.730
<v Ivan>Oh, the balance thing.

02:11:28.150 --> 02:11:31.770
<v Sam>That gives me a few more inches. And so then, then this height is just about

02:11:31.770 --> 02:11:33.850
<v Sam>right when I'm on the little balance thing.

02:11:34.070 --> 02:11:37.030
<v Ivan>There you go. There you go. Now you're probably, you're back, not blurry.

02:11:37.290 --> 02:11:41.410
<v Sam>But then I'm all wobbly and. okay.

02:11:42.310 --> 02:11:43.810
<v Ivan>Well, it's good for your core strength.

02:11:44.490 --> 02:11:46.970
<v Sam>Exactly. Okay. Bye Yvonne. I'm hitting stop.

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<v Ivan>All right.

